From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 1 02:25:44 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4793C3BEB9; Thu, 1 Nov 2007 02:25:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=LtIQdhr3D8HRBihVaj4VVwPpPfeQpE4eCBEeS1V/fWVxP+v4wNd408yHL5Bb4c7GNPFfdOi8XaWn44SGpv1EKeq3munYqiNfE0xah8+fOZbPyWbkZQRcCfeFlllpD3IzxEK54X356lKosK2BpYdrEVBthOXodQ1gN6Jq3btzWLI=; X-YMail-OSG: 5ine1E8VM1mbY3BtTiS6ukjTl1PbsU1XBLEEptEDao6yb4Z9pGM83pGMYr_l8U.4d03E.4ZdyQJiT37O7A35MGn_xFobsBm6Kez3EH4RdecF4cLQo27kdyw_Zg-- Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2007 19:25:41 -0700 (PDT) From: Dan Subject: My very good friend Michael Garfield incredible guitarist and his beautiful cause for the benefit of all :o) To: babycakes61_2000@yahoo.com, barebonesfilmfest@yahoo.com, Barbara Hill , Joe fretless bassist Ferrero , Johny Barbata , Sant Ananchai , ShIronbutterfly Ray , "bbactr4jc@juno.com" , Ben , Bethea Jenner , Jim and Belinda , Kaylie Bernhardt , Rochelle and Bethea , Valerio , Incite Bill and Carrie Mulder , Jennifer Bishop , Michael Bicknell , Bob Weigel , Brett Bower , Mesa Boogie , Ally Sutton , Brian Good , jim butcher , Natalie Business MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <26809.29728.qm@web34209.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/75896 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2007 02:25:44 +0000 (UTC) Share Daniel posted a link. 8:57pmMichael Garfield & Zaadz Visionary Music - Home Page http://michaelgarfield.zaadz.c... 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Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 1 02:37:07 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 90DFF3BED8; Thu, 1 Nov 2007 02:37:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=wfATqpi30kZgWVWGj6jAz9pdAwWgyNI/uF3sBL6RsaTuGG978v0/mMIsJ3WyQ0zmwy0Qk0yOsRkvjEhKvsBN1fE9bhIkSHXM6PBxH3KYa9X6CwC1cZJvO72KN6ajYR5aZDYn0dET1DogJfRwXftCLpxWYfT6ZyYn4HqYDKwe6RU=; X-YMail-OSG: jW6ZXe0VM1m2fE9AP4tDcbjKO6iLIrPVcojriqEM5jI6PSDY0EIzAjAm8_EioMveHUG.TNyXRN4vt.ET2zBu9EdrxoE_iLCZ7FLxZ2tEApjetFOKSIkDfJp82A-- Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2007 19:37:05 -0700 (PDT) From: Dan Subject: My very good friend Michael Garfield incredible guitarist and his beautiful cause for the benefit of all :o) To: Walker James , Eric Redlhammer , faithdriven1@sbcglobal.net, June Favati , John Fittell , Mark White , Jeffrey Furst , Garrick Hudson , Gary Lehmann , Greg McDowell , Greg Melching , Jennifer Bishop , stan greve , Rick Hansen , Roy Hatcher , Todd Hallawell , Kevin Hiatt , Joel , Nattapong Assalee , "austin@starrfadu.net" , "babycakes61_2000@yahoo.com" , "barebonesfilmfest@yahoo.com" , Ben , Kaylie Bernhardt , Michael Bicknell , Brett Bower , Natalie Business , jim butcher , Jessie Canarte , Michael Chapdelaine , Christine Rage , Phil Clarkin , Darain Conrady , Natalie Cox , Elizabeth Darling , dawnua dawson , "deanal@skilonline.com" , Joe fretless bassist Ferrero , "jfreund@pittstate.edu" , "jlutt69@yahoo.com" , "John Vs.the Jukebox" , "keith@kmarshall.com" , Joe Klinkon , Marci Klotz , Lisa , Starrfadu News , JP Nickel , JP Nickel , JP Nickel , Doug or Marsha Phillips , "raineyamanda@hotmail.com" , ShIronbutterfly Ray , Rhonda , Sant Ananchai , Jeff Scheetz , Nathan Shaver , Lemuel Shepherd , Naoki Shimodate , Neona Smith , Paul Sutoris , "John,Sandy,Sunny Thompson" , Mindy Townsend , "tykorandia@hotmail.com" , Valerio , "willaalbertini52@yahoo.com" , Ziggy , 3DCNCInstruments , Derrick Able , Kevin Arensman , Johnathon Lloyd Artz , Johny Barbata , Jim and Belinda , Mesa Boogie , Jessee Canarte , Kassandra Charboneau , The Clampdown , Kyle Dillingham , Drew musiciansfriendemp , "experienceincite@aol.com" , Brian Good , Rochelle Gordon , Barbara Hill , Bethea Jenner MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <399796.39375.qm@web34212.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: <2oFAXC.A.0rG.TvTKHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/75897 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2007 02:37:07 +0000 (UTC) Share Daniel posted a link. 8:57pmMichael Garfield & Zaadz Visionary Music - Home Page http://michaelgarfield.zaadz.c... 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Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 1 04:20:54 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7D9383BED6; Thu, 1 Nov 2007 04:20:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4729541B.2020108@mhorse.com> Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2007 22:20:43 -0600 From: Daryl Shawn User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.13 (Windows/20070809) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: square waves References: <20071031214742.CEC8B3BED8@arsenic.violacea.com> In-Reply-To: <20071031214742.CEC8B3BED8@arsenic.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/75898 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2007 04:20:54 +0000 (UTC) On the old David Torn instructional video, he mentions the oscillator in the machine and demonstrates its effect with some harmonized delays. Forgive my ignorance, but is an LFO present as a controller for any sort of time-based modulation, i.e., the rate control on a simple chorus pedal? Does every harmonizer have an LFO? And do looping machines such as the Repeater which offer some pitch control also have an LFO? Or is the PCM-42 unique in having this effect available in its delays/loops...? Daryl Shawn www.swanwelder.com www.chinapaintingmusic.com > The PCM-42 delay line has an LFO which is used to modulate the delay > line, it can be used to create flange, chorus or wobbly echos. It has > two waveforms available, triangle and square. If you use an expanded > memory PCM-42 and modulate your loop with the square wave the effect > will be similar to having someone switch the speed of a tape machine, > with dramatic jumps in pitch and speed. 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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 1 06:38:20 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AFD833BED2; Thu, 1 Nov 2007 06:38:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <4729541B.2020108@mhorse.com> References: <20071031214742.CEC8B3BED8@arsenic.violacea.com> <4729541B.2020108@mhorse.com> Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2007 02:36:13 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Charles Zwicky Subject: Re: square waves Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-ELNK-Trace: e070562f4b6af5994d2b10475b57112048c8d43c9a67c80835edf7d2dc3cab842d8a127e48a54451350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 69.86.253.94 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/75899 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2007 06:38:20 +0000 (UTC) Daryl, A chorus effect is nothing more than a short delay (5-20ms) in which the delay time is modulated by an LFO. The LFO in a chorus is usually a triangle wave, so that the delay time smoothly changes from the shortest to the longest time. Most 'harmonizer' type effects do not have an LFO, they use a different method to produce a steady pitch shift. The PCM-42 was designed as an early "multi purpose effect" if you will. By setting the delay time very very short (0 to 10ms) and modulating it slowly, you will produce flanging effects. A slightly longer delay (5-20ms) and a slightly faster modulation produces a "Chorus" effect. Most delay effects have some sort of modulation, but the PCM-42 was one of the few which has a square wave available in the LFO ina ddition to the triangle wave. >On the old David Torn instructional video, he mentions the >oscillator in the machine and demonstrates its effect with some >harmonized delays. Forgive my ignorance, but is an LFO present as a >controller for any sort of time-based modulation, i.e., the rate >control on a simple chorus pedal? Does every harmonizer have an LFO? >And do looping machines such as the Repeater which offer some pitch >control also have an LFO? Or is the PCM-42 unique in having this >effect available in its delays/loops...? > >Daryl Shawn >www.swanwelder.com >www.chinapaintingmusic.com > >>The PCM-42 delay line has an LFO which is used to modulate the >>delay line, it can be used to create flange, chorus or wobbly >>echos. It has two waveforms available, triangle and square. If you >>use an expanded memory PCM-42 and modulate your loop with the >>square wave the effect will be similar to having someone switch the >>speed of a tape machine, with dramatic jumps in pitch and speed. -- ... http://www.zmix.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 1 07:04:33 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DD2633BED2; Thu, 1 Nov 2007 07:04:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 395 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Thu, 01 Nov 2007 07:04:33 UTC DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=JLRhNRTa4ILygjyHsSrO4zqXoKD7qNayrSX4szTpumfrF9O163WeJelE0k6vbZRH; h=Received:Message-ID:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Message-ID: <01d901c81c5c$d0ea15b0$6401a8c0@ECCO> From: "JC" To: Subject: Looping Festival 2007 and saying hello to everyone Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2007 23:51:38 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_01CE_01C81C18.FA83BEB0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2739.300 X-ELNK-Trace: 250e53821a8c36f54d2b10475b571120e3eb23a37288a7a2fc81a97a0e77da398a4b8a4ee4b2abb2350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 69.181.225.103 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/75900 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2007 07:04:33 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_01CE_01C81C18.FA83BEB0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi all, I just subscribed to this list. I found out about it after performing at = the Looping Festival in Oakland. I would like to say hello to everyone here by sending a web page we made = about that night: http://www.deconstructionist.com/blacknote/loopingfest07.htm A little bit about me: I work a lot with loops, both live and in composition. My aesthetic = ranges from noise to calm drones to straightforward beats to = contemporary composition. You can find out a bit more about me and my work here: http://www.deconstructionist.com/blacknote/jc.htm I work in constant collaboration with others.=20 Some of our interactive graphic and sound experiments can be found here: www.allhaildiscordia.com Feel free to send me any comments, both on and off list.=20 JC Mendizabal Black Note Music http://www.blacknotemusic.com Via Sinistrae www.viasinistrae.com http://sinistrae.libsyn.com/ ------=_NextPart_000_01CE_01C81C18.FA83BEB0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi all,
 
I just subscribed to this list. I found = out about=20 it after performing at the Looping Festival in Oakland.
I would like to say hello to everyone = here by=20 sending a web page we made about that night:
htt= p://www.deconstructionist.com/blacknote/loopingfest07.htm
 
A little bit about me:
I work a lot with loops, both live and = in=20 composition. My aesthetic ranges from noise to calm drones=20 to straightforward beats to contemporary composition.
You can find out a bit more about me = and my work=20 here:
http://www.dec= onstructionist.com/blacknote/jc.htm
I work in constant collaboration with = others.=20
Some of our interactive graphic and = sound=20 experiments can be found here:
www.allhaildiscordia.com
 
Feel free to send me any comments, both = on and off=20 list.
 
JC Mendizabal
Black Note Music
http://www.blacknotemusic.com<= BR>Via=20 Sinistrae
www.viasinistrae.com
http://sinistrae.libsyn.com/
------=_NextPart_000_01CE_01C81C18.FA83BEB0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 1 08:23:57 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B3CBB3BED6; Thu, 1 Nov 2007 08:23:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 640480351-mk-filter-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com-B2C-$THROTTLED-DYNAMIC-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 79.66.161.153 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Aq4HAIgpKUdPQqGZ/2dsb2JhbACCKqVn Message-ID: <47298D43.1010506@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Thu, 01 Nov 2007 08:24:35 +0000 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: AXON AX 100(now RMC pickups) References: <804506.64843.qm@web38606.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <804506.64843.qm@web38606.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/75901 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2007 08:23:57 +0000 (UTC) The softer attack of the nylon strings works better with piezos, which tend to emphasize the attack. For a lot of people, the piezo "quack" rules out their use, although I understand that later designs are improved somewhat. (personally, I wouldn't be able to stand piezo on nylon, or at least it would take a lot of getting used to, but that's just me) andy butler L.A. Angulo wrote: > i was always under the impression that hexaphonic > pickups like the rmc would work better on a steel > string for its sustain,but most people that mention it > have it installed in their nylon acoustics,which seem > to be harder to amplify,off course the godins are a > whole different story but i wouldnt really consider > them a classic/flamenco guitar,they definetly got > their own sound going... > Luis > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 1 10:06:02 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 977393BECA; Thu, 1 Nov 2007 10:06:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Authenticated: #1228034 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX18WfAE+aIAWoKqoiKJwUegAXEXkJ2CUOCRhGef2HC A5jbogOO8anu3E Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <46517b063c53386d23c9d1b700f2af1d@gmx.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: nico spahni Subject: free impro featuring kaoss guitar Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2007 11:06:51 +0100 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/75902 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2007 10:06:02 +0000 (UTC) Hi folks Some of you may be interested in my new Kaoss pad-enhanced Yamaha Silent Guitar: www.recpro.ch/pictures/kaoss_silent_guitar.jpg I first toyed with it last Sunday in an informal impro session with a percussionist: www.recpro.ch/mp3/kaoss_guitar_impro.mp3 The sound quality is somewhat less than good but it'll give you an idea anyway. In the first 2 minutes I make extensive use of the programme "ring modulation". Cheers Nico www.recpro.ch www.myspace.com/nicospahni From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 1 10:40:10 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8953A3BECF; Thu, 1 Nov 2007 10:40:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2007 06:40:31 -0500 From: Bill Fox Subject: Listen to Afterglow and The AM/FM Show To: undisclosed-recipients: ; Message-id: <472869AF.3080108@soundscapes.us> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.12 (Windows/20070509) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/75903 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2007 10:40:10 +0000 (UTC) AFTERGLOW ON WMUH: http://soundscapes.us/afterglow ======================================================================= Afterglow airs from 8:00 am to 9:30 am every Thursday morning. Tune in for a delightful mix of eclectic musical genres including a healthy dose of Progressive Rock. Tune in at 91.7 FM or on the internet at: http://muhlenberg.edu/wmuh Afterglow is now on MySpace at http://myspace.com/afterglowonwmuh where you can become a friend of the show. GALACTIC TRAVELS ON WDIY: http://galactictravels.info ======================================================================= Tonight at 11 pm on Galactic Travels, I'll begin a month-long Special focus on Paul Ellis from Washington state. The Featured CD at Midnight will be "Appears to Vanish" on NeuHarmony Records. For details, see the Special Focus page at: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2007/focus.html#nov I will be playing music by Radio Massacre International who are coming over from the UK to play at The Gatherings concert series. 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Listen on-line to WDIY at http://wdiy.org and click LISTEN or go directly to: http://rm1.refugemedia.com/ramgen/encoder/wdiy.rm Listen on-line to WMUH at http://www.muhlenberg.edu/wmuh and click the REAL AUDIO link or go directly to: rtsp://helix.muhlenberg.edu:554/broadcast/live.rm From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 1 11:40:15 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 00E713BEDE; Thu, 1 Nov 2007 11:40:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: <20071029164030.urp55kkh1cwcs0kc@69.89.21.76> References: <20071029164030.urp55kkh1cwcs0kc@69.89.21.76> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <439C594C-3652-4DF8-AF72-98AC28D3B83A@mac.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Chuck Silva Subject: Re: new composition influenced by looping and some ramblings Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2007 07:40:02 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/75904 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2007 11:40:14 +0000 (UTC) Kevin! What a lovely composition "The Sad Little Ghost" is! Did you compose all of it? If so I'd b very interested to know some details. For example: What DAW do you use? What soft synths if any are you using? Apparently you are a trained musician? Do you compose the bulk of your music on a Keyboard-Theremin? Who are you and what planet are you from? From Jazz to classical and in between, I'd say it's safe to say that most all modern music is being influenced by technology-looped typed music being at the heart of it. After all art is a reflection of who we are as a culture-where ever one may dwell. As hard as I try to be forward thinking and open to new and progressive music, it's refreshing to hear something inspired in the more conventional manner. Indeed it seems to me it is best to be trained in convention. Then one can take that power and push the envelope. Thank you for sharing that 'oh my god soooooo awesome music'! :-) Peace. http://www.myspace.com/chucksilva Chuck Silva On Oct 29, 2007, at 5:40 PM, kkissinger@kevinkissinger.com wrote: > Hi, > > I'd like to share my latest composition with you entitled "The Sad > Little Ghost". > > http://kevinkissinger.com/sadlittleghost.shtml > > This is the first non-looping work I've composed for nearly a year > however I think my work with live looping has influenced my non- > looped work in a few ways, namely: > > 1) the orchestral tracks are minimal and utilize repetition -- > similar to looped material > > 2) the lead (theremin) part is economical -- eschewing "fireworks" > and focusing on expressive sustained notes. > > I am grateful to the folks on the LD list for MANY ideas that have > become part of my musical vocabularly. A few recent examples: > > . in my organ improvisations I am much more inclined to play in a > "looped" style... while I am not looping via hardware I often build > a motive and then just keep it going in my left (or right) hand and > then weave melodies around it with my spare hand or feet. (I don't > know if the church I play at is ready for hardware looping... > however I may try it sometime **grins** ) > > . last Sunday, at the end of one improv, I played a single note > melody alone on a plantive stop... this was an idea suggested on > the LD list. And, why not? With loop devices we can turn one-note- > a-time instruments into ensembles. Why not do the opposite and > play a polyphonic instrument as if it is a mono instrument? > > Folks commented that my set at the Y2K7 Loopfest sounded > "orchestral" -- and I think that my interest in ensemble texture > influenced that. I have found over the last year that my looped > and non-looped work influence each other. > > The Y2K7 Loopfest was like a massive recharge to my musical > batteries. It was a chance to just sit back and soak up music from > everyone. I think the word "unique" is overused in the music biz > however each set WAS unique and each was high-quality. > > In particular, one of the challenges with looped music and with > music in general is to create effective endings. To see the > different approaches to this aspect of looping was enlightening, to > say the least. Incidentally, the ending to "The Sad Little Ghost" > just flew into my DAW ... no struggle. > > Forgive my rambling here. Though it has been a week since the > loopfest, I am still on a real "high" from it and look forward to > creating a lot of new looped and non-looped music as a result. > > -- Kevin > From nobody@server.online-ventures.net Thu Nov 1 13:13:19 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 49961 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Thu, 01 Nov 2007 13:13:19 UTC Received: from server.online-ventures.net (server.online-ventures.net [69.57.154.47]) by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 46D823BEB8 for ; Thu, 1 Nov 2007 13:13:14 +0000 (UTC) Received: from nobody by server.online-ventures.net with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1InMrI-0002c1-Dm for looparc@loopers-delight.com; Wed, 31 Oct 2007 18:20:24 -0500 To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Subject: You have a security message alert ! 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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 1 13:20:51 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BA43C3BED2; Thu, 1 Nov 2007 13:20:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-SBRS: None X-SenderGroup: RELAYLIST X-MailFlowPolicy: $RELAYED X-MID: 691310746 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: AXON AX 100 Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2007 13:20:49 -0000 Message-ID: <1BB076E4C332F9469148F41725F17A7205D80EA2@MTVNE-EXCLUST02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> In-Reply-To: <641CEFFC7E5B6C42AB59539653FD08238E2E73@wcu-ex-emp2.PASSHE.LCL> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: AXON AX 100 Thread-Index: AcgcigTVMnJbH6sfSiCe7pscyRXn+g== References: <641CEFFC7E5B6C42AB59539653FD08238E2E73@wcu-ex-emp2.PASSHE.LCL> From: "Goddard, Duncan" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Nov 2007 13:20:49.0763 (UTC) FILETIME=[0527FB30:01C81C8A] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/75905 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2007 13:20:51 +0000 (UTC) >>I have an older Roland GI-10. Everyone that has used the Axon and the Roland GI-10 or -20 says the Axon is better.<< I have an axon 50, which is being knocked out at a very good price both in the uk & the us at the moment. it has no onboard sounds, & works with the roland gk pickups.=20 I also have an old GI-10, & with guitar the axon is *significantly* more reliable. in fact, I hooked up my old sunn strat to it & found I didn't need to make any adjustments besides putting it into guitar-mode. besides this, it's much easier (with a mac or pc hooked up to it) to get it to operate different zones on the fretboard, & also to do different things depending where you pick. this latter is untested in my setup, but I'm anxious to give it a go & will report when I have. I bought the axon because I've been using a couple of peavey midibases; one of them is actually a decent bass aswell (the serial numbers are three apart, but the difference in tone is marked), but is still no match for a decent fender or rickenbacker, & I hate to leave my good basses at home & gig the peavey when the midi component of what I do is quite minimal. but so far, with the ax50 in proper adjustment, I have had trouble with (bizarrely) the higher notes on the g string; it wraps around to the octave below at around the 10th fret. everywhere else, it tracks pretty good (remember, I have been spoiled by the peavey, which uses split-frets switching). I am using a roland gk2b (a hexaphonic p/u designed for aircraft-carrier bass sixers); the only problem here is that the front panel connector on the ax50 is a little insubstantial. hope this is useful somehow. duncan. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 1 13:33:33 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 275613BECD; Thu, 1 Nov 2007 13:33:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=n2ptG7tabgKjgCK4RGVrSyL8NeAT7YYLuC4yjrTutaDCdlChc53ZGfoQS/wLwYuKqGJMDwK0ptO7l6U9WJvfRUnzaIWmvkZfTHXhFXxjjdKoUlsdBRiAnOEwKeCWAkDFYiRgV/H/6Jh09oVfuJKqaXivrDiIBfwH0jXs9wGVNys=; X-YMail-OSG: yHEtbG0VM1k4LSjZwrAUwrJHfrWFik2OPIJ896e1OAj207S109UHt4RVLmp19znGnrmKiLhz3PZTiE8F6EcB7D9fsy4KJdDwIRth1iKY.r2ZPBXdYBU- Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2007 06:33:31 -0700 (PDT) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: Re: AXON AX 100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20071031134222.u6p62bvj0ggkksgs@www.wightman.ca> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <395157.72807.qm@web38601.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/75906 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2007 13:33:33 +0000 (UTC) Hey Paul, Just curious,who installed it for you? i tried finding somebody in california who would install the Graphtech or RMC system on my fernandes sustainer but they all seemed to shy away from doing it.Ive also havent found anybody here in germany yet who would do it if anybody has a link id aprreciate it! cheers Luis --- phaslem@wightman.ca wrote: > Hey Richard, > > If you think you are going to let the Axon go I'll > throw my name in > the hat of people that would be interested in it. > I'm currently using > a vg8-ex which doesn't have good synth sounds; I > love some of the > guitar patches though. > > Just for interest sake you can take a look at the > guitar I built with > the Graphtech pickups at > http://www.haslem.ca/pictures/ click on any > of the jpg files marked guitar. > > Sounds like you're going to have a busy year! I'm > starting to work on > a new hammered dulcimer cd that will involve looping > guitar parts and > perhaps some dulcimer as well... Of course it will > feature the > hammered dulcimer.... In my case I'll be delighted > if I'm able to sell > a few hundred copies.... > > Regards, > > Paul Haslem > www.dulcify.ca > > > > Quoting Richard Sales : > > > > I guess to keep my karma clean I should pass on > the Roland GK1 pickup > > and the MIDI interface that goes with it. If any > of you want it and > > will pay shipping and boxing I'll send it to you. > I never used it. > > And.... it was given to me! If you want it let me > know. Only catch > > is, you can't turn around and sell it on Ebay! As > the natives say, > > "The gift must move." > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 1 13:33:53 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D43C33BED8; Thu, 1 Nov 2007 13:33:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-SBRS: None X-SenderGroup: RELAYLIST X-MailFlowPolicy: $RELAYED X-MID: 688014264 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: square waves/repeater Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2007 13:33:51 -0000 Message-ID: <1BB076E4C332F9469148F41725F17A7205D80EAE@MTVNE-EXCLUST02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> In-Reply-To: <4729541B.2020108@mhorse.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: square waves/repeater Thread-Index: Acgci9b2CoTtVlU4TEqXOcccTMUWww== References: <4729541B.2020108@mhorse.com> From: "Goddard, Duncan" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Nov 2007 13:33:52.0080 (UTC) FILETIME=[D7741500:01C81C8B] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/75907 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2007 13:33:53 +0000 (UTC) >>do looping machines such as the Repeater which offer some pitch control also have an LFO?<< no, but you've given me an idea, for which many thanks. the repeater can be made to respond to midi controllers, & so a sequencer playing back a midi controller with continuously varying value could be used to modulate things in the repeater. I'm going to try CC14, which is (IIRC) the newly available controller on the repeater that makes pitch & tempo change together... a few weeks ago, I was speculating here that this same controller could be used for fine adjustments of the loop playback.=20 we have a real drummer who can't or won't play to a click, but prefers to run the show himself & do all sorts of tempo changes during a piece with a repeater part that needs to be in sync. I figured if I heard him pulling ahead of the loop, or dropping behind it, I could send tiny amounts of CC14 to the repeater to advance or retard it. might have a go at that later too. d. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 1 15:27:56 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 35A093BECA; Thu, 1 Nov 2007 15:27:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <0b0701c81c9b$c5e7a3a0$32b3ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Y2K7 Recordings - Truth Revealed Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2007 09:27:52 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0B04_01C81C69.7A25A390" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/75908 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2007 15:27:56 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0B04_01C81C69.7A25A390 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Here is the real reason why I wanted to record Y2K7 with live mics = versus the high maintenance of direct from board recording. http://www.y2kloopfest.com/images/event/kris-sleeping-on-the-job.jpg =20 :) Kris ------=_NextPart_000_0B04_01C81C69.7A25A390 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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Mrs Pamela Hanson From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 1 16:19:23 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 029D03BEB6; Thu, 1 Nov 2007 16:19:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 623487014-mk-filter-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com-B2C-$THROTTLED-DYNAMIC-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 79.74.153.222 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Aq4HANqYKUdPSpne/2dsb2JhbACCKqVq Message-ID: <4729FCB0.5070900@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Thu, 01 Nov 2007 16:20:00 +0000 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: square waves (as VST) References: <002201c81bfa$f89f69f0$e9de3dd0$@com> In-Reply-To: <002201c81bfa$f89f69f0$e9de3dd0$@com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/75909 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2007 16:19:22 +0000 (UTC) Interesting, Henry Kaiser was using that effect in 1984 on his Solo Guitar album (now playing). Makes a lot more sense hearing it to know how he was doing that. So How much interest would there be for a vst plug-in that did that effect? ie, delay with square wave modulation. andy butler Qua Veda wrote: > At the Y2K7 loopfest, Henry Kaiser explained that he used square waves > to modulate a PCM 42 (lexicon fx processor) to create his loops. I > really liked his performance. Did I misunderstand him? Can anyone > explain how this is done? > > > > -Qua > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 1 17:08:03 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A36403BECC; Thu, 1 Nov 2007 17:08:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=5MLLsD9pA4jrOM4IToEVAClU1d7JXYsc7wYjEAwYC34=; b=HXvH7oJ4JA/CKM4k1NDAykFtPlfL3igwjtxDjE9hntcvaSQcYlFqOmmKuC1m9LIk3fPb3EOiRsN7s4cIvz+p8RoTIGygGE4O1Vj7Xj16TtuJFvfRPkATc77OVD9yXTXH2MzY0AA2IJzJbbaLHlmlxpBEnxwrLU/QcyQKuUpPZVk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=crYPL0n21EpWUeALipPZUBnHb+KDfcoPqlzOADBRaU1XHvw1k3cg2WJ/SJJWDHsT/tukcZRjUFVjaXTGFIdJDBmD8bVVSO+58Q8UUfvqk1A3YSTXTpMB5HrVX7jFyvpZMYQQLvl6qQRW/99c/NWKZhB+uhOGi4j2BdmHu82VEgo= Message-ID: Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2007 18:07:59 +0100 From: "Raul Bonell" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: new composition influenced by looping and some ramblings In-Reply-To: <439C594C-3652-4DF8-AF72-98AC28D3B83A@mac.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_10592_20013253.1193936879981" References: <20071029164030.urp55kkh1cwcs0kc@69.89.21.76> <439C594C-3652-4DF8-AF72-98AC28D3B83A@mac.com> Resent-Message-ID: <0cyerC.A.u-B.yfgKHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/75910 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2007 17:08:03 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_10592_20013253.1193936879981 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Lovely as others stated. Hi Kevin, How about aesthetics? I know some contemporary composers refused the use of the theremin as a "tempered" instrument, triying to emulate, regular stringed instruments or so... Which are your opinions about? Never listened a theremin player live, but it seems to me that it's much more difficult o play "in tune" with a beast like that, than just making "glissandi" sounds... I supose it's just the melody on top what you played with it.. isn't? Interesting instrument & great player so far! Thx, R. 2007/11/1, Chuck Silva : > > Kevin! > > What a lovely composition "The Sad Little Ghost" is! > > Did you compose all of it? > > If so I'd b very interested to know some details. > > For example: > > What DAW do you use? > > What soft synths if any are you using? > > Apparently you are a trained musician? > > Do you compose the bulk of your music on a Keyboard-Theremin? > > Who are you and what planet are you from? > > From Jazz to classical and in between, I'd say it's safe to say that > most all modern music is being influenced by technology-looped typed > music being at the heart of it. > > After all art is a reflection of who we are as a culture-where ever > one may dwell. > > As hard as I try to be forward thinking and open to new and > progressive music, it's refreshing to hear something inspired in the > more conventional manner. > > Indeed it seems to me it is best to be trained in convention. Then > one can take that power and push the envelope. > > Thank you for sharing that 'oh my god soooooo awesome music'! :-) > > Peace. > > http://www.myspace.com/chucksilva > > Chuck Silva > > > > > On Oct 29, 2007, at 5:40 PM, kkissinger@kevinkissinger.com wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > I'd like to share my latest composition with you entitled "The Sad > > Little Ghost". > > > > http://kevinkissinger.com/sadlittleghost.shtml > > > > This is the first non-looping work I've composed for nearly a year > > however I think my work with live looping has influenced my non- > > looped work in a few ways, namely: > > > > 1) the orchestral tracks are minimal and utilize repetition -- > > similar to looped material > > > > 2) the lead (theremin) part is economical -- eschewing "fireworks" > > and focusing on expressive sustained notes. > > > > I am grateful to the folks on the LD list for MANY ideas that have > > become part of my musical vocabularly. A few recent examples: > > > > . in my organ improvisations I am much more inclined to play in a > > "looped" style... while I am not looping via hardware I often build > > a motive and then just keep it going in my left (or right) hand and > > then weave melodies around it with my spare hand or feet. (I don't > > know if the church I play at is ready for hardware looping... > > however I may try it sometime **grins** ) > > > > . last Sunday, at the end of one improv, I played a single note > > melody alone on a plantive stop... this was an idea suggested on > > the LD list. And, why not? With loop devices we can turn one-note- > > a-time instruments into ensembles. Why not do the opposite and > > play a polyphonic instrument as if it is a mono instrument? > > > > Folks commented that my set at the Y2K7 Loopfest sounded > > "orchestral" -- and I think that my interest in ensemble texture > > influenced that. I have found over the last year that my looped > > and non-looped work influence each other. > > > > The Y2K7 Loopfest was like a massive recharge to my musical > > batteries. It was a chance to just sit back and soak up music from > > everyone. I think the word "unique" is overused in the music biz > > however each set WAS unique and each was high-quality. > > > > In particular, one of the challenges with looped music and with > > music in general is to create effective endings. To see the > > different approaches to this aspect of looping was enlightening, to > > say the least. Incidentally, the ending to "The Sad Little Ghost" > > just flew into my DAW ... no struggle. > > > > Forgive my rambling here. Though it has been a week since the > > loopfest, I am still on a real "high" from it and look forward to > > creating a lot of new looped and non-looped music as a result. > > > > -- Kevin > > > > -- The Playing Orchestra: http://www.telefonica.net/web2/tpo Chain Tape Collective: http://www.ct-collective.com TPO at myspace: http://www.myspace.com/theplayingorchestra ------=_Part_10592_20013253.1193936879981 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Lovely as others stated.

Hi Kevin,

How about aesthetics?
I know some contemporary composers refused
the use of the theremin as a "tempered" instrument,
triying to emulate, regular stringed instruments or so...
Which are your opinions about?

Never listened a theremin player live,
but it seems to me that it's much more difficult o play
"in tune" with a beast like that, than just making "glissandi" sounds...

I supose it's just the melody on top what you played with it.. isn't?

Interesting instrument & great player so far!

Thx,
R.

2007/11/1, Chuck Silva < any1particular@mac.com>:
Kevin!

What a lovely composition "The Sad Little Ghost" is!

Did you compose all of it?

  If so I'd b very interested to know some details.

For example:

What DAW do you use?

What soft synths if any are you using?

Apparently you are a trained musician?

Do you compose the bulk of your music on a Keyboard-Theremin?

Who are you and what planet are you from?

From Jazz to classical and in between, I'd say it's safe to say that
most all modern music is being influenced by technology-looped typed
music being at the heart of it.

After all art is a reflection of who we are as a culture-where ever
one may dwell.

As hard as I try to be forward thinking and open to new and
progressive music, it's refreshing to hear something inspired in the
more conventional manner.

Indeed it seems to me it is best to be trained in convention. Then
one can take that power and push the envelope.

Thank you for sharing that 'oh my god soooooo awesome music'! :-)

Peace.

  http://www.myspace.com/chucksilva

Chuck Silva




On Oct 29, 2007, at 5:40 PM, kkissinger@kevinkissinger.com wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I'd like to share my latest composition with you entitled "The Sad
> Little Ghost".
>
> http://kevinkissinger.com/sadlittleghost.shtml
>
> This is the first non-looping work I've composed for nearly a year
> however I think my work with live looping has influenced my non-
> looped work in a few ways, namely:
>
> 1) the orchestral tracks are minimal and utilize repetition --
> similar to looped material
>
> 2) the lead (theremin) part is economical -- eschewing "fireworks"
> and focusing on expressive sustained notes.
>
> I am grateful to the folks on the LD list for MANY ideas that have
> become part of my musical vocabularly.  A few recent examples:
>
> . in my organ improvisations I am much more inclined to play in a
> "looped" style... while I am not looping via hardware I often build
> a motive and then just keep it going in my left (or right) hand and
> then weave melodies around it with my spare hand or feet.  (I don't
> know if the church I play at is ready for hardware looping...
> however I may try it sometime  **grins** )
>
> . last Sunday, at the end of one improv, I played a single note
> melody alone on a plantive stop... this was an idea suggested on
> the LD list.  And, why not?  With loop devices we can turn one-note-
> a-time instruments into ensembles.  Why not do the opposite and
> play a polyphonic instrument as if it is a mono instrument?
>
> Folks commented that my set at the Y2K7 Loopfest sounded
> "orchestral" -- and I think that my interest in ensemble texture
> influenced that.  I have found over the last year that my looped
> and non-looped work influence each other.
>
> The Y2K7 Loopfest was like a massive recharge to my musical
> batteries.  It was a chance to just sit back and soak up music from
> everyone.  I think the word "unique" is overused in the music biz
> however each set WAS unique and each was high-quality.
>
> In particular, one of the challenges with looped music and with
> music in general is to create effective endings.  To see the
> different approaches to this aspect of looping was enlightening, to
> say the least.   Incidentally, the ending to "The Sad Little Ghost"
> just flew into my DAW ... no struggle.
>
> Forgive my rambling here.  Though it has been a week since the
> loopfest, I am still on a real "high" from it and look forward to
> creating a lot of new looped and non-looped music as a result.
>
> -- Kevin
>




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TPO at myspace: http://www.myspace.com/theplayingorchestra ------=_Part_10592_20013253.1193936879981-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 1 17:10:18 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 92DE93BED5; Thu, 1 Nov 2007 17:10:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=Q0YuYQTzM5t8Xwo9I3x2EyKYTdTOeR2LqKMpNA65TKI=; b=BdMvFfvGP3YakjwXkMkqt2bR0EY1W291rjkFFkEv01/CkcWPGzYrnHJfR0s7iupuazecApcvViRLK3c8EyGhStqymIfyUvyPmPtSQamf977plqABMjMcz2Adt1RQtQdk5o7i971h+MPJkcsjec/vcw0XtJv+ijNxL5MMqW2QoyI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=TqfumFV3Ct9XJuwOk7yuQjEoDmLAE5btmeoU7erZDPqcTOwHHUzUomT0Ii8p/odZhryUxYb0Rov8NkWd9J7HYI1XnaluVViShaiERECeh7xpETWPnI1EjE75w2tKe2Qw8s4tkLjnYjocgKle+wvDWXX5HzyRM5FLclu32AR4Svo= Message-ID: Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2007 18:10:17 +0100 From: "Raul Bonell" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Y2K7 Recordings - Truth Revealed In-Reply-To: <0b0701c81c9b$c5e7a3a0$32b3ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_10600_20828519.1193937017564" References: <0b0701c81c9b$c5e7a3a0$32b3ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Resent-Message-ID: <4yveQ.A.9JC.6hgKHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/75911 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2007 17:10:18 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_10600_20828519.1193937017564 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline ha,ha,ha... hard worker here ;-). cheers, raul. 2007/11/1, Krispen Hartung : > > Here is the real reason why I wanted to record Y2K7 with live mics versus > the high maintenance of direct from board recording. > > http://www.y2kloopfest.com/images/event/kris-sleeping-on-the-job.jpg > > :) > > Kris > > -- The Playing Orchestra: http://www.telefonica.net/web2/tpo Chain Tape Collective: http://www.ct-collective.com TPO at myspace: http://www.myspace.com/theplayingorchestra ------=_Part_10600_20828519.1193937017564 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline ha,ha,ha... hard worker here ;-).

cheers,
raul.

2007/11/1, Krispen Hartung <khartung@cableone.net>:
Here is the real reason why I wanted to record Y2K7 with live mics versus the high maintenance of direct from board recording.
 
 
:)
 
Kris
 



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TPO at myspace: http://www.myspace.com/theplayingorchestra ------=_Part_10600_20828519.1193937017564-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 1 17:47:40 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7CEB93BECD; Thu, 1 Nov 2007 17:47:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: AXON AX 100 Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2007 13:47:37 -0400 Message-ID: <641CEFFC7E5B6C42AB59539653FD08238E2E83@wcu-ex-emp2.PASSHE.LCL> In-Reply-To: <395157.72807.qm@web38601.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: AXON AX 100 Thread-Index: Acgcr0cvKHsD+dmWTjKQq/0kgP5oCg== References: <395157.72807.qm@web38601.mail.mud.yahoo.com> From: "Dean, Hal " To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Nov 2007 17:47:37.0582 (UTC) FILETIME=[4A8F50E0:01C81CAF] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/75912 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2007 17:47:40 +0000 (UTC) The Graphtech site has a list of installers. You might want to email them too - they are very responsive. I'm currently exchanging emails with the guitar tech at the local Sam Ash store in King of Prussia, PA, about Graphtech in my PRS. I called Sam Ash because they are listed as a dealer (not installer) on G'tech site. Hal -----Original Message----- From: L.A. Angulo [mailto:labaloops@yahoo.com]=20 Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2007 9:34 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: AXON AX 100 Hey Paul, Just curious,who installed it for you? i tried finding somebody in california who would install the Graphtech or RMC system on my fernandes sustainer but they all seemed to shy away from doing it.Ive also havent found anybody here in germany yet who would do it if anybody has a link id aprreciate it! cheers Luis --- phaslem@wightman.ca wrote: > Hey Richard, >=20 > If you think you are going to let the Axon go I'll throw my name in=20 > the hat of people that would be interested in it. > I'm currently using > a vg8-ex which doesn't have good synth sounds; I love some of the=20 > guitar patches though. >=20 > Just for interest sake you can take a look at the guitar I built with=20 > the Graphtech pickups at http://www.haslem.ca/pictures/ click on any=20 > of the jpg files marked guitar. >=20 > Sounds like you're going to have a busy year! I'm starting to work on=20 > a new hammered dulcimer cd that will involve looping guitar parts and=20 > perhaps some dulcimer as well... Of course it will feature the=20 > hammered dulcimer.... In my case I'll be delighted if I'm able to sell > a few hundred copies.... >=20 > Regards, >=20 > Paul Haslem > www.dulcify.ca >=20 >=20 >=20 > Quoting Richard Sales : > > > > I guess to keep my karma clean I should pass on > the Roland GK1 pickup > > and the MIDI interface that goes with it. If any > of you want it and > > will pay shipping and boxing I'll send it to you.=20 > I never used it. > > And.... it was given to me! If you want it let me > know. Only catch > > is, you can't turn around and sell it on Ebay! As > the natives say, > > "The gift must move." >=20 >=20 www.myspace.com/luisangulocom __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 1 17:57:39 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E18CD3BED5; Thu, 1 Nov 2007 17:57:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 1679 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Thu, 01 Nov 2007 17:57:39 UTC DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=zAw2nOUetElf8AUYsHFg3b+o0tNsFPI65LBFLKLFELA=; b=sAxHO7gFgIgoI8/OwOd8ZgMdyOkhiqB5dVosKxCe6J5G/Ra1SbGOo4sudarrh0huHgPT9VvQ7ofH51zuzhLpqhTXb1cbc5/PKLge/qG+UD8rO8E0dwj+bSK08oE7D3hl5XQ8bbtnNQ/r4CofQuAa7GF6ATkZgsx1IzJBCbm5ZvU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=CqrlIH1094w7YjXKHzy9voVFJNWpirrxu40nzf2cQIDu9BG1T8Hyh1jvJHrobeKG0zdEJYZEHjg+r+GbRPQeYp5xKIy6AOQd1kCGQ+perpjQEAreuBu7C41PVqH42+kFt8XvaZLZUgskeO7VU5yWCDrHDl9RUCKQEmzHzuNikm4= Message-ID: Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2007 18:01:42 +0100 From: "Raul Bonell" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: free impro featuring kaoss guitar In-Reply-To: <46517b063c53386d23c9d1b700f2af1d@gmx.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_10558_14572797.1193936502794" References: <46517b063c53386d23c9d1b700f2af1d@gmx.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/75913 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2007 17:57:39 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_10558_14572797.1193936502794 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline really nice nico... it fits ok into the silent's body... did you do all modulations with a single patch in the mini? there is a youtube video of an spanish tapping guitarist, called carlos vamos with an alesis airfx inside the body of a regular electric guitar. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UOJTMsKR7ag thx, raul. 2007/11/1, nico spahni : > > Hi folks > > Some of you may be interested in my new Kaoss pad-enhanced Yamaha > Silent Guitar: > > www.recpro.ch/pictures/kaoss_silent_guitar.jpg > > I first toyed with it last Sunday in an informal impro session with a > percussionist: > > www.recpro.ch/mp3/kaoss_guitar_impro.mp3 > > The sound quality is somewhat less than good but it'll give you an idea > anyway. In the first 2 minutes I make extensive use of the programme > "ring modulation". > > Cheers > > Nico > > www.recpro.ch > www.myspace.com/nicospahni > > -- The Playing Orchestra: http://www.telefonica.net/web2/tpo Chain Tape Collective: http://www.ct-collective.com TPO at myspace: http://www.myspace.com/theplayingorchestra ------=_Part_10558_14572797.1193936502794 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline really nice nico...
it fits ok into the silent's body...
did you do all modulations with a single patch
in the mini?

there is a youtube video of an spanish tapping guitarist,
called carlos vamos with an alesis airfx inside the body
of a regular electric guitar.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UOJTMsKR7ag

thx,
raul.

2007/11/1, nico spahni < nicosp@gmx.net>:
Hi folks

Some of you may be interested in my new Kaoss pad-enhanced Yamaha
Silent Guitar:

www.recpro.ch/pictures/kaoss_silent_guitar.jpg

I first toyed with it last Sunday in an informal impro session with a
percussionist:

www.recpro.ch/mp3/kaoss_guitar_impro.mp3

The sound quality is somewhat less than good but it'll give you an idea
anyway. In the first 2 minutes I make extensive use of the programme
"ring modulation".

Cheers

Nico

www.recpro.ch
www.myspace.com/nicospahni




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TPO at myspace: http://www.myspace.com/theplayingorchestra ------=_Part_10558_14572797.1193936502794-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 1 18:05:00 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4E3DF3BEDE; Thu, 1 Nov 2007 18:05:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 1787 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Thu, 01 Nov 2007 18:04:59 UTC Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <4729FCB0.5070900@tiscali.co.uk> References: <002201c81bfa$f89f69f0$e9de3dd0$@com> <4729FCB0.5070900@tiscali.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <4F84BF45-BBD7-4810-BD43-B8DF6B03F7F1@sonic.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Mark Landman Subject: Re: square waves (as VST) Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2007 10:35:10 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/75914 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2007 18:05:00 +0000 (UTC) One critical difference between using the old Lexicon boxes square wave mod vs. a VST or any newer fx box is the way the delay is done. The Lexi's modulated an oscillator that clocked the delay, nowadays delay lines just aren't done that way. If you look back thru the archives Kim talked about this a lot when we were asking for pitch/ time changing effects on the Echoplex. Years ago I had a Lexicon Prime Time II with expanded memory, and square wave modulating a long loop was one of my favorite techniques. Adding some short resonant feedback throbs via the 2nd tap (the Prime Time II was a 2 tap delay line with great onboard mixing capabilities!) and it was loop heaven. Since then I've tried to emulate that sound with many fx boxes including Eventide and Kyma, and it's never sounded the same. Having said all this, if this sound could be caught in a plug-in it'd be great. Mark > > Qua Veda wrote: >> At the Y2K7 loopfest, Henry Kaiser explained that he used square >> waves to modulate a PCM 42 (lexicon fx processor) to create his >> loops. I really liked his performance. Did I misunderstand him? >> Can anyone explain how this is done? -Qua > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 1 18:30:01 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BC5BE3BED2; Thu, 1 Nov 2007 18:30:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <20071101142958.js0fbex1ds0ccgcc@www.wightman.ca> Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2007 14:29:58 -0400 From: phaslem@wightman.ca To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Graphtech installation was AXON AX 100 References: <395157.72807.qm@web38601.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <641CEFFC7E5B6C42AB59539653FD08238E2E83@wcu-ex-emp2.PASSHE.LCL> In-Reply-To: <641CEFFC7E5B6C42AB59539653FD08238E2E83@wcu-ex-emp2.PASSHE.LCL> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.3) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/75915 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2007 18:30:01 +0000 (UTC) I looked at both systems, the RMC system is more geared to an acoustic =20 type of installation, where as the Graphtech is more like the familiar =20 saddles that you use on any electric guitar. The RMC is a much more =20 complicated installation and I would only recommend a compentent =20 technician do that installation. The Graphtech system is very modular with a minimal amount of =20 soldering. You do have to comfortable enough with wood working to =20 route out spaces in the back of the guitar and drill holes for the =20 wires from the saddles and controls, but all that is pretty basic =20 stuff and reachable by anyone comfortable with cutting holes in their =20 instrument. The system is very like putting together a computer as =20 every control and even the saddles just plug directly into the circut =20 board. I did mine on one Sunday afternoon (that was the Parker p44 =20 installation). If you're interested I could take some pictures of the =20 insides of my guitars that I've installed the system in so that you =20 can see what it looks like. best of luck with it, Paul haslem www.dulcify.ca > > Hey Paul, > Just curious,who installed it for you? i tried finding somebody in > california who would install the Graphtech or RMC system on my fernandes > sustainer but they all seemed to shy away from doing it.Ive also havent > found anybody here in germany yet who would do it if anybody has a link > id aprreciate it! > cheers > Luis > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 1 18:47:06 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 259973BEDB; Thu, 1 Nov 2007 18:47:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Authenticated: #1228034 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1+3OH4ZctK3nI/nOOOhP+nArcFLWQqo46iL5XGlcv vdUd/5VU8q2tLi Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: References: <46517b063c53386d23c9d1b700f2af1d@gmx.net> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1-887313419 Message-Id: <053065285c3e7c0b29992026da245d28@gmx.net> From: nico spahni Subject: Re: free impro featuring kaoss guitar Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2007 19:47:58 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/75916 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2007 18:47:06 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-1-887313419 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Yep, I only used one patch (ring modulation). I had briefly considered getting an airfx instead of the mini-kp and also watched the video you mention. Good stuff but everything considered the airfx seems to be less versatile than the mini-kp. Nico Am 01.11.2007 um 18:01 schrieb Raul Bonell: > really nice nico... > it fits ok into the silent's body... > did you do all modulations with a single patch > in the mini? > > there is a youtube video of an spanish tapping guitarist, > called carlos vamos with an alesis airfx inside the body > of a regular electric guitar. > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UOJTMsKR7ag > > thx, > raul. > > 2007/11/1, nico spahni < nicosp@gmx.net>:Hi folks >> >> Some of you may be interested in my new Kaoss pad-enhanced Yamaha >> Silent Guitar: >> >> www.recpro.ch/pictures/kaoss_silent_guitar.jpg >> >> I first toyed with it last Sunday in an informal impro session with a >> percussionist: >> >> www.recpro.ch/mp3/kaoss_guitar_impro.mp3 >> >> The sound quality is somewhat less than good but it'll give you an >> idea >> anyway. In the first 2 minutes I make extensive use of the programme >> "ring modulation". >> >> Cheers >> >> Nico >> >> www.recpro.ch >> www.myspace.com/nicospahni >> > > > > -- > The Playing Orchestra: http://www.telefonica.net/web2/tpo > Chain Tape Collective: http://www.ct-collective.com > TPO at myspace: http://www.myspace.com/theplayingorchestra --Apple-Mail-1-887313419 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=US-ASCII Yep, I only used one patch (ring modulation). I had briefly considered getting an airfx instead of the mini-kp and also watched the video you mention. Good stuff but everything considered the airfx seems to be less versatile than the mini-kp. Nico Am 01.11.2007 um 18:01 schrieb Raul Bonell: really nice nico... it fits ok into the silent's body... did you do all modulations with a single patch in the mini? there is a youtube video of an spanish tapping guitarist, called carlos vamos with an alesis airfx inside the body of a regular electric guitar. 0000,0000,EEEEhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UOJTMsKR7ag thx, raul. 2007/11/1, nico spahni << 0000,0000,EEEEnicosp@gmx.net>:Hi folks Some of you may be interested in my new Kaoss pad-enhanced Yamaha Silent Guitar: 0000,0000,EEEEwww.recpro.ch/pictures/kaoss_silent_guitar.jpg I first toyed with it last Sunday in an informal impro session with a percussionist: 0000,0000,EEEEwww.recpro.ch/mp3/kaoss_guitar_impro.mp3 The sound quality is somewhat less than good but it'll give you an idea anyway. In the first 2 minutes I make extensive use of the programme "ring modulation". Cheers Nico 0000,0000,EEEEwww.recpro.ch 0000,0000,EEEEwww.myspace.com/nicospahni -- The Playing Orchestra: 0000,0000,EEEEhttp://www.telefonica.net/web2/tpo Chain Tape Collective: 0000,0000,EEEEhttp://www.ct-collective.com TPO at myspace: 0000,0000,EEEEhttp://www.myspace.com/theplayingorchestra --Apple-Mail-1-887313419-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 1 19:41:03 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 786093BEB8; Thu, 1 Nov 2007 19:41:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RECORDING?! Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2007 20:40:58 +0100 Message-ID: <200711011940.lA1JextV012417@hermes.ramstein.af.mil> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: RECORDING?! Thread-Index: AcgcvyCAQCu2+wjSTn6ike9nJosPQg== From: "Moore, David W Civ 86 MXS/MXMTA" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Nov 2007 19:40:59.0748 (UTC) FILETIME=[20F77A40:01C81CBF] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/75917 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2007 19:41:03 +0000 (UTC) Hey all! I really love my Gigadelay! I've been listening to the random Eno-ish loops I made with my shakuhachi (for the last 1/2 hour)! I just need to get it recorded! david moore transient alert 86 mxs/mxmta 480-2061/5378 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 1 20:37:19 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8B5D63BECA; Thu, 1 Nov 2007 20:37:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; bh=SMfc2kXuqeAmLTdbwKyECLyQqcGgEfwdEOXcuFIpKDY=; b=CCuvAn2vcO/SALZmZX8iT90D1zvSLTDLKkinWnoZZGldjpaMhEOpNnVhnhMaaoiHtUI3CwaRWSBxvScQ4sq3fFrUpAp6BHzI6h69NU/pzx5Roz38MdyOcLx/7f9380j190qIXZdL7lXZDlNoXPGn3zbe81Ig0sJgnk8jGkxW6QE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=U5g/tbD1d1nUlAKS3y6cryUYSCiw0Azr73LODxiw80jqP5li/lXYXmHyynZkQpXenyZZ1+IKEz+7i+/Pm8JsQRjiOtJxLqm/3ZJcSBhIVW/i4wfS5qdNMm5cpFz+oVbXwYh1/E3rfl3bp92536OTJV6PbpR/COVAMOC4XpLHx7A= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <1BB076E4C332F9469148F41725F17A7205D80EAE@MTVNE-EXCLUST02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> References: <4729541B.2020108@mhorse.com> <1BB076E4C332F9469148F41725F17A7205D80EAE@MTVNE-EXCLUST02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: square waves/repeater Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2007 21:17:09 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: <3pR9tD.A.7q._jjKHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/75918 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2007 20:37:19 +0000 (UTC) On Nov 1, 2007, at 5:20, Daryl Shawn wrote: >>> do looping machines such as the Repeater which offer some pitch > control also have an LFO?<< On Nov 1, 2007, at 14:33, Goddard, Duncan wrote: > no, but you've given me an idea, for which many thanks. the > repeater can > be made to respond to midi controllers, & so a sequencer playing > back a > midi controller with continuously varying value could be used to > modulate things in the repeater. I'm going to try CC14, which is > (IIRC) > the newly available controller on the repeater that makes pitch & > tempo > change together... Many years ago, when I had a Repeater, David Torn hinted me at the trick of running a MIDI sequencer synced to the Repeater and sending in MIDI to do "square wave pitch modulation" of loops. First I tried CC14 but the Repeater was too slow to react in a musical way. Then I tried MIDI notes and that was working like a charm! Simply select one of the track select buttons on the Repeaters front panel and send MIDI notes into the machine; it will then hook up that track to do pitch follow according to the received MIDI notes (just as the Augustus Looper AU on Mac does). Bill Walker also used to play with this Repeater technique before he was bitten by the Looperlative. I pretty much do this old Repeater trick these days on my looping laptopo by scripting in Mobius. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 1 20:51:38 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C471D3BEB9; Thu, 1 Nov 2007 20:51:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 640798129-mk-filter-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com-B2C-$THROTTLED-DYNAMIC-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 79.74.153.222 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Aq4HAIzZKUdPSpne/2dsb2JhbACCKqYJ Message-ID: <472A3C81.1010004@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Thu, 01 Nov 2007 20:52:17 +0000 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: square waves (as VST) References: <002201c81bfa$f89f69f0$e9de3dd0$@com> <4729FCB0.5070900@tiscali.co.uk> <4F84BF45-BBD7-4810-BD43-B8DF6B03F7F1@sonic.net> In-Reply-To: <4F84BF45-BBD7-4810-BD43-B8DF6B03F7F1@sonic.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/75919 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2007 20:51:38 +0000 (UTC) hi Mark, ;-) hint, the reason I'm asking the question is that I already worked out how to get a vst delay to act as if it had a modulated oscillator. ...would you actually want to purchase a vst plug with those capabilities? andy butler Mark Landman wrote: > One critical difference between using the old Lexicon boxes square wave > mod vs. a VST or any newer fx box is the way the delay is done. > > The Lexi's modulated an oscillator that clocked the delay, nowadays > delay lines just aren't done that way. If you look back thru the > archives Kim talked about this a lot when we were asking for pitch/time > changing effects on the Echoplex. > > Years ago I had a Lexicon Prime Time II with expanded memory, and square > wave modulating a long loop was one of my favorite techniques. Adding > some short resonant feedback throbs via the 2nd tap (the Prime Time II > was a 2 tap delay line with great onboard mixing capabilities!) and it > was loop heaven. Since then I've tried to emulate that sound with many > fx boxes including Eventide and Kyma, and it's never sounded the same. > > Having said all this, if this sound could be caught in a plug-in it'd be > great. > > Mark > >> >> Qua Veda wrote: >>> At the Y2K7 loopfest, Henry Kaiser explained that he used square >>> waves to modulate a PCM 42 (lexicon fx processor) to create his >>> loops. I really liked his performance. Did I misunderstand him? >>> Can anyone explain how this is done? -Qua >> > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 1 21:08:06 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B86C63BECA; Thu, 1 Nov 2007 21:08:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <643126.53610.qm@web34212.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <643126.53610.qm@web34212.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-3-895719315 Message-Id: <69ed0dc030f2f2d7e5a6ecfedbe3df54@glasswing.com> From: Richard Sales Subject: Re: AXON AX 100 shipping etc Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2007 14:08:04 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Resent-Message-ID: <6bwdPC.A.u2B.2AkKHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/75920 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2007 21:08:06 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-3-895719315 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Hi Dan So should I communicate with HIM or you about this? I'll figure out shipping costs and send you the bill. I hope to do this within the next bunch of days but it takes a while to do anything here on an island 2 hours out to sea by boat. Maybe email me at my regular address and not through loopers because I have loopers mail going into a folder which things get lost in very fast. richard@glasswing.com ta dah! richard sales glassWing farm and studio vancouver island, b.c. 800.545.6846 250.752.4816 www.glassWing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com On 31-Oct-07, at 11:49 AM, Dan wrote: > Ok I talked to Cotton and he needs it! Im not sure how you would like > for me to send shipping > money and whatever you need, if there are any other rules I need to > follow for shipping or credit > card information? his email is jwesthoff@sbcglobal.net In case you > need anything else from him he > can build anything and I mean ANYTHING! > He is a very good lifetime friend I respect and love very much!!!!! > Thank You So Much Brother!!! :o) > My address is > > 205 West 9th > Pittsburg, Kansas > zip 66762 > phone 1-620-232-1252 > > > --- Richard Sales wrote: > >> Thanks Dan! >> >> Oh man! So much to learn and research. >> >> Luthiers are like beer stores for me. I have to keep my distance! I >> LOVE GUITARS TOO MUCH! I finally sold one this past year and am still >> having convulsions having done it. But at one point I noticed spider >> webs between the guitar and the wall it was hanging on so I just had >> to >> let it go. >> >> But yeah..... I will RELUCTANTLY go peek at William Eaton, >> Roberto-Venn's and YOUR sites or info. I have to admit I have terror. >> I fall in love so easily. >> >> We don't have any PSAs right now. And she's not signed in the US as >> of >> right now but it's VERY MUCH looking like that will happen within the >> next bunch of months. She's now signed to Universal in the UK so >> we'll >> be going there in the first quarter 08. That's pretty exciting. I >> think France and Germany too. But the way the majors - or what's left >> of them - work - is your record is ONLY released per territory and can >> really only be promoted and tour supported per territory. So we've >> been pretty confined to Canada since the record came out. But it's >> doing very well here. The first single is lodged in the top ten of >> the >> AC chart. Was at #3 for about five months and has now slipped to #8. >> It's the most played record on AC this year! And the new single is >> fast climbing as we speak. And they're planning to launch the third >> in >> Feb so it's very conceivable Hayley will have THREE singles in the top >> playlists, So, IN CANADA, we're doing very well. Hopefully that will >> translate to other territories as well.... Jah willing. >> >> Oh shit! I ALWAYS need equipment. But that's like a very overweight >> man saying he ALWAYS needs candy bars! I'm gonna have to upgrade my >> studio sometime soon and that will be ugly. But the record's been >> nominated for a Juno in Engineering (Canada's Grammy) so I COULD have >> more studio work out of that. Don't know if I really WANT that.... >> but >> I'm sure my wife would like to see more of those little green (and in >> Canada red, blue etc) magic carpets flowing through the bank account. >> >> Our web sites are in my signature below. But.... www.hayleysales.com >> (she has a myspace too - you can hear some songs there), >> www.richardsales.com (samples of my songs there) and www.glasswing.com >> (samples of instrumentals for film video there) the studio. >> >> I guess to keep my karma clean I should pass on the Roland GK1 pickup >> and the MIDI interface that goes with it. If any of you want it and >> will pay shipping and boxing I'll send it to you. I never used it. >> And.... it was given to me! If you want it let me know. Only catch >> is, you can't turn around and sell it on Ebay! As the natives say, >> "The gift must move." >> >> Thanks again Dan and everyone who responded to my question. >> >> richard sales >> glassWing farm and studio >> vancouver island, b.c. >> 800.545.6846 >> 250.752.4816 >> www.glassWing.com >> www.richardsales.com >> www.hayleysales.com >> www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com >> On 31-Oct-07, at 6:41 AM, Dan wrote: >> >>> Richard!!! Good to hear your back it sounds like you been having >>> fun, >>> I wish I could say the >>> same. Anyway my teacher/luthier masters especially William Eaton is >>> requested by companies >>> especially Roland to test their prototypes of all kinds of electronic >>> equipment. I do not know >>> for sure if he is on tour right now but I would recommend you contact >>> him through Roberto-Venn. >>> He usually designs the instruments around the technology, or >>> viceversa. One of the most amazing >>> and seemingly unique human beings I have ever met. Very personable >>> and sweet at the same time he >>> helped me a great deal to get through some of the most challenging >>> times of my life back in 1999 >>> through 2000!!! Do you and Haley have any different websites I can >>> link up for yall at >>> myspace.com/albertiniguitarworks? Im trying to get a couple more >>> projects off the ground I have a >>> few more live performances on the radio stations around here in the >>> four state Area and in >>> Pittsburg soon. I will be playing solo and or with new experiment in >>> the works "Eagle Dawn" set >>> drummer/manager website consultant/very good friend Wade Heilig and >>> percussionist extraordinaire >>> Daniel Warlop Pittsburg State University Gorilla Radio. Send me your >>> PSA's & I will try to get >>> them some air time for you all and Haley! I also have been coming >>> across a lot of random >>> equipment through the interchange of musicians friend warehouses so >>> let me know if their is >>> anything else to keep an eye out for in the various piles of >>> electronic and wood rubble? ha ha >>> lol!!! Its all good :o) >>> Wish you and yours blessings of wellness/health, harmony, peace, >>> prosperity, wisdom, love and joy >>> Sincerely your friend Daniel T. Albertini >>> myspace.com/albertiniguitarworks >>> >>> >>> __________________________________________________ >>> Do You Yahoo!? >>> Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around >>> http://mail.yahoo.com >>> >> > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > --Apple-Mail-3-895719315 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=US-ASCII Hi Dan So should I communicate with HIM or you about this? I'll figure out shipping costs and send you the bill. I hope to do this within the next bunch of days but it takes a while to do anything here on an island 2 hours out to sea by boat. Maybe email me at my regular address and not through loopers because I have loopers mail going into a folder which things get lost in very fast. richard@glasswing.com ta dah! Gadgetrichard sales 7373,7F7F,C5C5glassWing farm and studio vancouver island, b.c. 800.545.6846 250.752.4816C3C3,9696,1C1C www.glassWing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com On 31-Oct-07, at 11:49 AM, Dan wrote: Ok I talked to Cotton and he needs it! Im not sure how you would like for me to send shipping money and whatever you need, if there are any other rules I need to follow for shipping or credit card information? his email is jwesthoff@sbcglobal.net In case you need anything else from him he can build anything and I mean ANYTHING! He is a very good lifetime friend I respect and love very much!!!!! Thank You So Much Brother!!! :o) My address is 205 West 9th Pittsburg, Kansas zip 66762 phone 1-620-232-1252 --- Richard Sales < wrote: Thanks Dan! Oh man! So much to learn and research. Luthiers are like beer stores for me. I have to keep my distance! I LOVE GUITARS TOO MUCH! I finally sold one this past year and am still having convulsions having done it. But at one point I noticed spider webs between the guitar and the wall it was hanging on so I just had to let it go. But yeah..... I will RELUCTANTLY go peek at William Eaton, Roberto-Venn's and YOUR sites or info. I have to admit I have terror. I fall in love so easily. We don't have any PSAs right now. And she's not signed in the US as of right now but it's VERY MUCH looking like that will happen within the next bunch of months. She's now signed to Universal in the UK so we'll be going there in the first quarter 08. That's pretty exciting. I think France and Germany too. But the way the majors - or what's left of them - work - is your record is ONLY released per territory and can really only be promoted and tour supported per territory. So we've been pretty confined to Canada since the record came out. But it's doing very well here. The first single is lodged in the top ten of the AC chart. Was at #3 for about five months and has now slipped to #8. It's the most played record on AC this year! And the new single is fast climbing as we speak. And they're planning to launch the third in Feb so it's very conceivable Hayley will have THREE singles in the top playlists, So, IN CANADA, we're doing very well. Hopefully that will translate to other territories as well.... Jah willing. Oh shit! I ALWAYS need equipment. But that's like a very overweight man saying he ALWAYS needs candy bars! I'm gonna have to upgrade my studio sometime soon and that will be ugly. But the record's been nominated for a Juno in Engineering (Canada's Grammy) so I COULD have more studio work out of that. Don't know if I really WANT that.... but I'm sure my wife would like to see more of those little green (and in Canada red, blue etc) magic carpets flowing through the bank account. Our web sites are in my signature below. But.... www.hayleysales.com (she has a myspace too - you can hear some songs there), www.richardsales.com (samples of my songs there) and www.glasswing.com (samples of instrumentals for film video there) the studio. I guess to keep my karma clean I should pass on the Roland GK1 pickup and the MIDI interface that goes with it. If any of you want it and will pay shipping and boxing I'll send it to you. I never used it. And.... it was given to me! If you want it let me know. Only catch is, you can't turn around and sell it on Ebay! As the natives say, "The gift must move." Thanks again Dan and everyone who responded to my question. richard sales glassWing farm and studio vancouver island, b.c. 800.545.6846 250.752.4816 www.glassWing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com On 31-Oct-07, at 6:41 AM, Dan wrote: Richard!!! Good to hear your back it sounds like you been having fun, I wish I could say the same. Anyway my teacher/luthier masters especially William Eaton is requested by companies especially Roland to test their prototypes of all kinds of electronic equipment. I do not know for sure if he is on tour right now but I would recommend you contact him through Roberto-Venn. He usually designs the instruments around the technology, or viceversa. One of the most amazing and seemingly unique human beings I have ever met. Very personable and sweet at the same time he helped me a great deal to get through some of the most challenging times of my life back in 1999 through 2000!!! Do you and Haley have any different websites I can link up for yall at myspace.com/albertiniguitarworks? Im trying to get a couple more projects off the ground I have a few more live performances on the radio stations around here in the four state Area and in Pittsburg soon. I will be playing solo and or with new experiment in the works "Eagle Dawn" set drummer/manager website consultant/very good friend Wade Heilig and percussionist extraordinaire Daniel Warlop Pittsburg State University Gorilla Radio. Send me your PSA's & I will try to get them some air time for you all and Haley! I also have been coming across a lot of random equipment through the interchange of musicians friend warehouses so let me know if their is anything else to keep an eye out for in the various piles of electronic and wood rubble? ha ha lol!!! Its all good :o) Wish you and yours blessings of wellness/health, harmony, peace, prosperity, wisdom, love and joy Sincerely your friend Daniel T. Albertini myspace.com/albertiniguitarworks __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com --Apple-Mail-3-895719315-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 1 21:10:35 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B2FC83BED3; Thu, 1 Nov 2007 21:10:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Ao8CAMjdKUeCVlCD/2dsb2JhbAA X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.21,359,1188802800"; d="scan'208";a="118668520" MIME-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <4729FCB0.5070900@tiscali.co.uk> References: <002201c81bfa$f89f69f0$e9de3dd0$@com> <4729FCB0.5070900@tiscali.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-ID: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Mike Crain Subject: Re: square waves (as VST) Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2007 14:10:19 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: <2XDo8B.A.AAC.LDkKHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/75921 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2007 21:10:35 +0000 (UTC) I'd be interested in checking that out, Andy. Mike On Nov 1, 2007, at 9:20 AM, andy butler wrote: > Interesting, > Henry Kaiser was using that effect in 1984 on his Solo Guitar album > (now playing). > Makes a lot more sense hearing it to know how he was doing that. > > So > > How much interest would there be for a vst plug-in that did that > effect? > ie, delay with square wave modulation. > > andy butler > > > Qua Veda wrote: >> At the Y2K7 loopfest, Henry Kaiser explained that he used square >> waves to modulate a PCM 42 (lexicon fx processor) to create his >> loops. I really liked his performance. Did I misunderstand him? >> Can anyone explain how this is done? -Qua > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 1 21:51:56 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7C0133BEB6; Thu, 1 Nov 2007 21:51:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 1561 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Thu, 01 Nov 2007 21:51:55 UTC Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <472A3C81.1010004@tiscali.co.uk> References: <002201c81bfa$f89f69f0$e9de3dd0$@com> <4729FCB0.5070900@tiscali.co.uk> <4F84BF45-BBD7-4810-BD43-B8DF6B03F7F1@sonic.net> <472A3C81.1010004@tiscali.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Mark Landman Subject: Re: square waves (as VST) Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2007 14:25:51 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/75922 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2007 21:51:56 +0000 (UTC) Hi Andy- I'd be interested, like probably many others, the devil of course is always in the details, how good does it sound, what features does it offer, etc. A VST like my old Prime Time II with a little more memory would be useful enough to justify yet another delay plug-in, I think. Keep us advised! Mark On Nov 1, 2007, at 1:52 PM, andy butler wrote: > hi Mark, > ;-) > hint, > the reason I'm asking the question is that I already worked out how > to get a vst delay to act as if it had a modulated oscillator. > > > > ...would you actually want to purchase a vst plug with those > capabilities? > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 1 22:45:47 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 377C53BEC7; Thu, 1 Nov 2007 22:45:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <380-220071141224543964@M2W024.mail2web.com> X-Priority: 3 Reply-To: qua@oregon.com X-Originating-IP: 134.134.136.4 X-URL: http://mail2web.com/ From: "qua@oregon.com" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2007 18:45:43 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: square waves (as VST) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/75923 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2007 22:45:47 +0000 (UTC) I wonder if folks who are knowledgable in Max/MSP or Reaktor could build this capability=2E -Qua Original Message: ----------------- From: Mark Landman mlandman@sonic=2Enet Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2007 10:35:10 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight=2Ecom Subject: Re: square waves (as VST) One critical difference between using the old Lexicon boxes square =20 wave mod vs=2E a VST or any newer fx box is the way the delay is done=2E The Lexi's modulated an oscillator that clocked the delay, nowadays =20 delay lines just aren't done that way=2E If you look back thru the =20 archives Kim talked about this a lot when we were asking for pitch/=20 time changing effects on the Echoplex=2E Years ago I had a Lexicon Prime Time II with expanded memory, and =20 square wave modulating a long loop was one of my favorite techniques=2E =20= Adding some short resonant feedback throbs via the 2nd tap (the Prime =20 Time II was a 2 tap delay line with great onboard mixing =20 capabilities!) and it was loop heaven=2E Since then I've tried to =20 emulate that sound with many fx boxes including Eventide and Kyma, =20 and it's never sounded the same=2E Having said all this, if this sound could be caught in a plug-in it'd =20 be great=2E Mark > > Qua Veda wrote: >> At the Y2K7 loopfest, Henry Kaiser explained that he used square =20 >> waves to modulate a PCM 42 (lexicon fx processor) to create his =20 >> loops=2E I really liked his performance=2E Did I misunderstand him=3F= =20 >> Can anyone explain how this is done=3F -Qua > -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web=2Ecom =96 What can On Demand Business Solutions do for you=3F http://link=2Email2web=2Ecom/Business/SharePoint From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 1 23:37:23 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A330F3BEB0; Thu, 1 Nov 2007 23:37:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 303 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Thu, 01 Nov 2007 23:37:22 UTC Reply-To: From: "Aaron Leese" To: Subject: FlyLoops and electronic instruments Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2007 16:31:59 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1250" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 In-Reply-To: <4729FCB0.5070900@tiscali.co.uk> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Thread-Index: Acgcovrq1UNH1tGdQIC5dAraNHNolgAO2T5Q Message-Id: <20071101233722.D7CCD3BEAC@arsenic.violacea.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/75924 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2007 23:37:23 +0000 (UTC) Hey all ... In response to the many inquiries I got about using Flyloops with VSTs and other programs, I've gone ahead and applied for a license from Propellerhead to get the libraries to make Flyloops Rewire compatible. In English ..... this will make it possible to use the output from other programs (like samplers which generate the sound for electronic instruments/keyboards, etc. or VST instruments) ... and use that sound as the inputs that Flyloops sees, and can then loop. And thanks everyone for your great input during Y2K7 .... always nice to get ideas about what different people look for in their "ideal" looper. I was blown away by the number of other engineers at the festival. Just for reference, here is the list of programs that are Re-Wire compatible: Ableton Live Adobe Audition Logic Audio Arturia Storm FL Studio Cakewalk Sonar Companion E&D Intuem RW Cycling '74 Max/MSP Digidesign Pro Tools GarageBand Granted Software ReVision Line 6 GuitarPort Line 6 RiffTracker MOTU Digital Performer Opcode Vision DSP Opcode Studio Vision Plogue Bidule Raw Material Tracktion Pro Tools on OS9 using reFuse Sonoma Wire Works RiffWorks Sony ACID Pro Steinberg Cubase Steinberg Nuendo Synapse Audio Orion ArKaos VJ Arturia Storm Audionaut Obsession Bitheadz Retro AS-1 Bitheadz Unity DS-1 Digital Salade Toki Shot FL Studio Cakewalk Project 5 MadTracker Cycling '74 Max/MSP Plogue Bidule Propellerheads Reason Propellerheads ReBirth RB-338 Sony ACID Pro Speedsoft VSampler Tascam GigaStudio Toontrack dfh SUPERIOR Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.487 / Virus Database: 0.0.0/0 - Release Date: 12:00 AM From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 1 23:42:01 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C43FB3BEB8; Thu, 1 Nov 2007 23:42:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "Aaron Leese" To: Subject: funky music from lack of sleep Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2007 16:41:36 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1250" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 In-Reply-To: <4729FCB0.5070900@tiscali.co.uk> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Thread-Index: Acgcovrq1UNH1tGdQIC5dAraNHNolgAPG2rg Message-Id: <20071101234201.16EFD3BEAC@arsenic.violacea.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/75925 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2007 23:42:01 +0000 (UTC) Monday I got a new function finished for Flyloops which allows you to save your session ... that is, save everything you are playing and looping. So I've been sitting here playing and recording and barely eating for a couple days now (get going on a project and suddenly it's 3AM and your wondering why your so hungry .... ha). Anyway .... I thought I would share ... since I realized I have yet to have ever posted any music on here, and this one turned out nicely. Feedback is always appreciated .... http://www.aaronleese.com/sickness%20spreading.mp3 Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.487 / Virus Database: 0.0.0/0 - Release Date: 12:00 AM From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 2 01:10:12 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 749DE3BEC7; Fri, 2 Nov 2007 01:10:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=rogers.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=fTIVW2rkQMlKqRqYpsfhfnaq2Q2JpatR1+8JHBXogauEWHuakqjvQUX7iH3xhFMWcX9IvfwYw6CMMkjwKJHy6ew1ioaAyUk/X4I2VsC1YRjdc42P+YltZssmLjvp5A7IrDO3FD0eSfOo9w0hkBnKzckhIPgri6cTqmbeK40u4do=; X-YMail-OSG: 1fxq.gIVM1m4oO47HoGX9IdaoQ_cggBdpLeovGrOkljLhjetSdIxMZCqerwI0rJA8A-- Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2007 21:10:09 -0400 (EDT) From: JASON CASKENTTE Subject: AKAI MPC500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-762962504-1193965809=:61285" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <742255.61285.qm@web88314.mail.re4.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/75926 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2007 01:10:12 +0000 (UTC) --0-762962504-1193965809=:61285 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Just wondering if any one has a AKAI MPC500 and what they think of them? I'm considering adding one to the family (an FCB1010 controlled EDP and a JAMMAN). any help and or sugestions welcom --0-762962504-1193965809=:61285 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Just wondering if any one has a AKAI MPC500 and what they think of them? I'm considering adding one to the family  (an  FCB1010 controlled EDP and a JAMMAN).
 
any help and or sugestions welcom
--0-762962504-1193965809=:61285-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 2 02:00:32 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 76E953BEB9; Fri, 2 Nov 2007 02:00:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <00e101c81cf4$2537c8f0$0eaae40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: New CD Release: Music Unfit for Children Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2007 20:00:28 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/related; type="multipart/alternative"; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00DB_01C81CC1.D97CCDC0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/75927 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2007 02:00:32 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00DB_01C81CC1.D97CCDC0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_00DC_01C81CC1.D97CCDC0" ------=_NextPart_001_00DC_01C81CC1.D97CCDC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Here is my latest. I enjoyed making this CD more than any other in my = discography. It reminded me how much fun it is to be a kid again. :) "Forks on Lids" is probably my favorite, the only one with me playing = guitar. This image, also in the main CD page below, has a picture of = all the instruments used on the CD. = http://www.krispenhartung.com/music-unfit-for-children/tray-card.jpg Kris=20 Music Unfit for Children by Krispen, Tristan, & Kyra Hartung Buy - http://kunaki.com/Sales.asp?PID=3DPX00ZQC8SO Download MP3 version for free: http://www.box.net/shared/x5x8q492br More info, pictures of artwork, etc: = http://www.krispenhartung.com/music-unfit-for-children/index.htm Music Unfit for Children is a Hartung family collaboration and = experimental collection of improvisational compositions. Each musical = composition is based on various children's toys, acoustic and foundsound = instruments, and processing by the notebook computer and Cycling 74's = Max/MSP.=20 a.. Krispen Hartung - Mini electric guitar, Notebook computer, Cycling = 74 Max/MSP, Native Instruments Reaktor 5, vtech=AE Bright Lights toy = phone, Alphabet Pal=AE Caterpillar, Joe Rut Sound Machine, Craftsman=AE = Toy Screwdriver , Spinning Star Globe Wand=20 b.. Tristan Hartung - Nylon string acoustic guitar, fork on pot lid, = Electronic toothbrush, Voice=20 c.. Kyra Hartung - Fork on pot lid, Electronic toothbrush, Voice Song List (linked to MP3s) Alphabet Pal Bright Lights Electronic Toothbrush Ensemble Forks on Lids Unprepared Guitar Credits a.. CD cover artwork by Tristan and Kyra Hartung (2 1/2 years old)=20 b.. CD production by Kunaki (www.kunaki.com)=20 c.. CD tray card photo by Krispen Hartung; inside sleeve photo of = Krispen by Mark Hamburg; inside sleeve photos of Tristan and Kyra by = Carissa Hartung=20 d.. Song credits and instrumentation:=20 a.. Alphabet Pal: Krispen Hartung (Alphabet Pal=AE Caterpillar, = laptop computer processing via Max/MSP and Reaktor 5)=20 b.. Bright Lights: Krispen Hartung (vtech=AE Bright Lights toy = phone, laptop computer processing via Max/MSP and Reaktor 5)=20 c.. Electronic Toothbrush Ensemble: Tristan & Kyra Hartung (voice, = electronic toothbrushes), Krispen Hartung (the Joe Rut Sound Machine, = laptop computer processing via Max/MSP and Reaktor 5)=20 d.. Forks on Lids: Tristan & Kyra Hartung (kitchen forks and pod = lids, voice), Krispen Hartung (mini electric guitar, laptop computer = processing via Max/MSP and Reaktor 5)=20 e.. Unprepared Guitar: Tristan Hartung (nylon string acoustic = guitar), Krispen Hartung (laptop computer processing via Max/MSP and = Reaktor 5)=20 ------=_NextPart_001_00DC_01C81CC1.D97CCDC0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Here is my latest. I enjoyed making = this CD more=20 than any other in my discography. It reminded me how much fun it is to = be a kid=20 again. :)
 
"Forks on Lids" is probably my = favorite, the only=20 one with me playing guitar.  This image, also in the main CD page = below,=20 has a picture of all the instruments used on the CD. http://www.krispenhartung.com/music-unfit-for-children/tray-card.jpg=
 
Kris 
 
Music = Unfit for=20 Children
by Krispen, Tristan, & Kyra = Hartung
Buy -=20 http://kunaki.com/Sales.asp?PID=3DPX00ZQC8SO
Download = MP3 version for free: http://www.box.net/shared/x= 5x8q492br
More info, pictures of artwork, = etc: http://www.krispenhartung.com/music-unfit-for-children/index.htm
=


Music = Unfit for=20 Children is a Hartung family collaboration and = experimental=20 collection of improvisational compositions. Each musical composition is = based on=20 various children's toys, acoustic and foundsound instruments, and = processing by=20 the notebook computer and Cycling 74's Max/MSP.
  • Krispen Hartung - Mini electric = guitar, Notebook=20 computer, Cycling 74 Max/MSP, Native Instruments Reaktor 5, vtech=AE = Bright=20 Lights toy phone, Alphabet Pal=AE Caterpillar, Joe Rut Sound Machine, = Craftsman=AE=20 Toy Screwdriver , Spinning Star Globe Wand=20
  • Tristan Hartung - Nylon string = acoustic guitar,=20 fork on pot lid, Electronic toothbrush, Voice=20
  • Kyra Hartung - Fork on pot lid, = Electronic=20 toothbrush, Voice
 
Song=20 List (linked to MP3s)
 
Alphabet = Pal
Bright Lights
Electronic Toothbrush Ensemble
Forks on Lids
Unprepared Guitar

Credits

  • CD cover artwork by Tristan and = Kyra=20 Hartung (2 1/2 years old)=20
  • CD production by Kunaki = (www.kunaki.com)
  • CD tray card photo by Krispen = Hartung;=20 inside sleeve photo of Krispen by Mark Hamburg; inside sleeve photos = of=20 Tristan and Kyra by Carissa Hartung
  • Song credits and = instrumentation:=20
    • Alphabet = Pal: Krispen Hartung = (Alphabet Pal=AE=20 Caterpillar, laptop computer processing via Max/MSP and Reaktor = 5)=20
    • Bright = Lights: Krispen Hartung (vtech=AE Bright=20 Lights toy phone, laptop computer processing via Max/MSP and Reaktor = 5)
    • Electronic Toothbrush=20 Ensemble: Tristan & Kyra Hartung = (voice,=20 electronic toothbrushes), Krispen Hartung (the Joe Rut Sound = Machine, laptop=20 computer processing via Max/MSP and Reaktor 5)
    • Forks on Lids:=20 Tristan & Kyra Hartung (kitchen forks and pod lids, voice), = Krispen=20 Hartung (mini electric guitar, laptop computer processing via = Max/MSP and=20 Reaktor 5)
    • Unprepared Guitar: Tristan Hartung (nylon string acoustic guitar), = Krispen Hartung=20 (laptop computer processing via Max/MSP and Reaktor 5) =
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Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/75928 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2007 02:20:54 +0000 (UTC) Lot's of new Y2K7 MP3s posted now at http://www.y2kloopfest.com/mp3.html (with thumnail pictures of performance by Mark Hamburg) Posted so far: HENRY KAISER (USA) - Headliner ARILD ANDERSEN (Norway) - Headliner Peter Cor Craig McCoullough Chris Roberts Matt Davignon Kevin Kissinger FABIO ANILE (Italy) - Headliner Bill Walker Randolf Arriola (Singapore) - featured performer Per Boysen (Sweden) Chinapainting Barry Cleveland Bob Amstadt Harry Weinberg JD Devros Michael Klobuchar & Per Boysen Gary Regina LEANDER REININGHAUS (Germany) - HEADLINER Krispen Hartung - featured performer Mark Hamburg ...on the way: Matthias Grob (Switzerland/Brazil) and ARILD ANDERSEN (Norway) and more. Kris From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 2 03:55:58 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 49C093BEB8; Fri, 2 Nov 2007 03:55:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Qua Veda" To: References: <00e101c81cf4$2537c8f0$0eaae40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> In-Reply-To: <00e101c81cf4$2537c8f0$0eaae40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Subject: RE: New CD Release: Music Unfit for Children Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2007 20:56:00 -0700 Message-ID: <000101c81d04$48d76710$da863530$@com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/related; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0002_01C81CC9.9C788F10" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: Acgc9ZAWq/ZqHeerTsmbUY2p1jO9agADqeNg Content-Language: en-us X-RBL-Warning: REVDNS: This E-mail was sent from a MUA/MTA 206.212.233.27 with no reverse DNS entry. X-Declude-Sender: qua@oregon.com [206.212.233.27] X-Declude-Spoolname: Da22402770000217f.smd X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude JunkMail (www.declude.com) for spam. Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/75929 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2007 03:55:58 +0000 (UTC) This is a multipart message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0002_01C81CC9.9C788F10 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_0003_01C81CC9.9C788F10" ------=_NextPart_001_0003_01C81CC9.9C788F10 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Great! It sure sounds like it was a LOT of fun !! -Qua From: Krispen Hartung [mailto:khartung@cableone.net] Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2007 7:00 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: New CD Release: Music Unfit for Children Here is my latest. I enjoyed making this CD more than any other in my discography. It reminded me how much fun it is to be a kid again. :) "Forks on Lids" is probably my favorite, the only one with me playing guitar. This image, also in the main CD page below, has a picture of all the instruments used on the CD. http://www.krispenhartung.com/music-unfit-for-children/tray-card.jpg Kris Music Unfit for Children by Krispen, Tristan, & Kyra Hartung Buy - http://kunaki.com/Sales.asp?PID=PX00ZQC8SO Download MP3 version for free: http://www.box.net/shared/x5x8q492br More info, pictures of artwork, etc: http://www.krispenhartung.com/music-unfit-for-children/index.htm Music Unfit for Children is a Hartung family collaboration and experimental collection of improvisational compositions. Each musical composition is based on various children's toys, acoustic and foundsound instruments, and processing by the notebook computer and Cycling 74's Max/MSP. * Krispen Hartung - Mini electric guitar, Notebook computer, Cycling 74 Max/MSP, Native Instruments Reaktor 5, vtechR Bright Lights toy phone, Alphabet PalR Caterpillar, Joe Rut Sound Machine, CraftsmanR Toy Screwdriver , Spinning Star Globe Wand * Tristan Hartung - Nylon string acoustic guitar, fork on pot lid, Electronic toothbrush, Voice * Kyra Hartung - Fork on pot lid, Electronic toothbrush, Voice Song List (linked to MP3s) Alphabet Pal Bright Lights Electronic Toothbrush Ensemble Forks on Lids Unprepared Guitar Credits * CD cover artwork by Tristan and Kyra Hartung (2 1/2 years old) * CD production by Kunaki ( www.kunaki.com) * CD tray card photo by Krispen Hartung; inside sleeve photo of Krispen by Mark Hamburg; inside sleeve photos of Tristan and Kyra by Carissa Hartung * Song credits and instrumentation: * Alphabet Pal: Krispen Hartung (Alphabet PalR Caterpillar, laptop computer processing via Max/MSP and Reaktor 5) * Bright Lights: Krispen Hartung (vtechR Bright Lights toy phone, laptop computer processing via Max/MSP and Reaktor 5) * Electronic Toothbrush Ensemble: Tristan & Kyra Hartung (voice, electronic toothbrushes), Krispen Hartung (the Joe Rut Sound Machine, laptop computer processing via Max/MSP and Reaktor 5) * Forks on Lids: Tristan & Kyra Hartung (kitchen forks and pod lids, voice), Krispen Hartung (mini electric guitar, laptop computer processing via Max/MSP and Reaktor 5) * Unprepared Guitar: Tristan Hartung (nylon string acoustic guitar), Krispen Hartung (laptop computer processing via Max/MSP and Reaktor 5) ------=_NextPart_001_0003_01C81CC9.9C788F10 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Great!  It sure sounds like it was a LOT of fun = !!

 

-Qua

 

From:= Krispen = Hartung [mailto:khartung@cableone.net]
Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2007 7:00 PM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: New CD Release: Music Unfit for = Children

 

Here is my latest. I enjoyed making this CD more than any other in my = discography. It reminded me how much fun it is to be a kid again. = :)

 

"Forks on Lids" is probably my favorite, the only one with me playing guitar.  This image, also in the main CD page below, has a picture = of all the instruments used on the CD. http://www.krispenhartung.com/music-unfit-for-children/tray-card.jpg=

 

Kris&n= bsp;

 

Music Unfit for Children
by Krispen, Tristan, & Kyra Hartung
Buy - http://kunaki.com/Sales.asp?PID=3DPX00ZQC8SO=

Download MP3 version for free: http://www.box.net/shared/x= 5x8q492br

More info, pictures of artwork, etc: http://www.krispenhartung.com/music-unfit-for-children/index.htm
=


Music = Unfit for Children is a Hartung family collaboration and experimental collection of improvisational compositions. Each musical composition is based on = various children's toys, acoustic and foundsound instruments, and processing by = the notebook computer and Cycling 74's Max/MSP.

  • Krispen Hartung - Mini electric guitar, Notebook computer, Cycling 74 = Max/MSP, Native Instruments Reaktor 5, vtech® Bright Lights toy phone, = Alphabet Pal® Caterpillar, Joe Rut Sound Machine, Craftsman® Toy = Screwdriver , Spinning Star Globe Wand
  • Tristan Hartung - Nylon string acoustic guitar, fork on pot lid, Electronic toothbrush, Voice
  • Kyra Hartung - Fork on pot lid, Electronic toothbrush, = Voice

 

Song List (linked to MP3s)

 

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  • CD cover artwork by Tristan and Kyra Hartung (2 1/2 years old)
  • CD production by Kunaki (www.kunaki.com)
  • CD tray card photo by Krispen Hartung; inside sleeve photo of Krispen = by Mark Hamburg; inside sleeve photos of Tristan and Kyra by Carissa = Hartung
  • Song credits and instrumentation:
    • Alphabet = Pal: = Krispen Hartung (Alphabet Pal® Caterpillar, laptop computer processing = via Max/MSP and Reaktor 5)
    • Bright = Lights: = Krispen Hartung (vtech® Bright Lights toy phone, laptop computer = processing via Max/MSP and Reaktor 5)
    • Electronic Toothbrush = Ensemble: = Tristan & Kyra Hartung (voice, electronic toothbrushes), Krispen Hartung = (the Joe Rut Sound Machine, laptop computer processing via Max/MSP and = Reaktor 5)
    • Forks on = Lids: = Tristan & Kyra Hartung (kitchen forks and pod lids, voice), Krispen Hartung = (mini electric guitar, laptop computer processing via Max/MSP and = Reaktor 5) =
    • Unprepared = Guitar: = Tristan Hartung (nylon string acoustic guitar), Krispen Hartung (laptop = computer processing via Max/MSP and Reaktor 5)
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NCUA, CUNA, Credit Union - Copyright © 2007 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 2 10:28:35 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DFC2B3BEB8; Fri, 2 Nov 2007 10:28:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Authenticated: #1228034 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX19i7tAqpK5i/ngQuzzoMfVqqLtxtVCcr+XtGkStdQ lIreXn0TiFbmnv Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <0eb5c2486d0b573470e2266b92e0f2f2@gmx.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: nico spahni Subject: two pieces for contemporary dance Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2007 11:29:28 +0100 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 Resent-Message-ID: <4b85iC.A.1zF.TvvKHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/75930 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2007 10:28:35 +0000 (UTC) Hello Loopers Kevin's recent post has encouraged me to share with you two pieces I did for a contemporary dance ensemble a while ago. As Kevin commented on his work - great piece, Kevin, it truly captures the spirit of Halloween - my two compositions are influenced by what I might want to achieve when looping live. www.recpro.ch/mp3/evolution.mp3 www.recpro.ch/mp3/with_all_my_senses.mp3 Hope you like them. Cheers Nico www.recpro.ch www.myspace.com/nicospahni From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 2 12:16:56 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 563D73BEC2; Fri, 2 Nov 2007 12:16:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <033001c81d4a$3ff1b650$4001a8c0@pcfabio> Reply-To: "e t e r o g e n e o" From: "e t e r o g e n e o" To: References: <20071029164030.urp55kkh1cwcs0kc@69.89.21.76> Subject: Re: new composition influenced by looping and some ramblings Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2007 13:16:51 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-Spam-Rating: smtp6.aruba.it 1.6.2 0/1000/N Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/75931 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2007 12:16:56 +0000 (UTC) Beautiful theme and chords ! Sincere compliments, Kevin, it really moves me, as your set at the Y2K7. Best fabio www.eterogeneo.com ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "LoopersDelight" Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 10:40 PM Subject: new composition influenced by looping and some ramblings Hi, I'd like to share my latest composition with you entitled "The Sad Little Ghost". http://kevinkissinger.com/sadlittleghost.shtml This is the first non-looping work I've composed for nearly a year however I think my work with live looping has influenced my non-looped work in a few ways, namely: 1) the orchestral tracks are minimal and utilize repetition -- similar to looped material 2) the lead (theremin) part is economical -- eschewing "fireworks" and focusing on expressive sustained notes. I am grateful to the folks on the LD list for MANY ideas that have become part of my musical vocabularly. A few recent examples: . in my organ improvisations I am much more inclined to play in a "looped" style... while I am not looping via hardware I often build a motive and then just keep it going in my left (or right) hand and then weave melodies around it with my spare hand or feet. (I don't know if the church I play at is ready for hardware looping... however I may try it sometime **grins** ) . last Sunday, at the end of one improv, I played a single note melody alone on a plantive stop... this was an idea suggested on the LD list. And, why not? With loop devices we can turn one-note-a-time instruments into ensembles. Why not do the opposite and play a polyphonic instrument as if it is a mono instrument? Folks commented that my set at the Y2K7 Loopfest sounded "orchestral" -- and I think that my interest in ensemble texture influenced that. I have found over the last year that my looped and non-looped work influence each other. The Y2K7 Loopfest was like a massive recharge to my musical batteries. It was a chance to just sit back and soak up music from everyone. I think the word "unique" is overused in the music biz however each set WAS unique and each was high-quality. In particular, one of the challenges with looped music and with music in general is to create effective endings. To see the different approaches to this aspect of looping was enlightening, to say the least. Incidentally, the ending to "The Sad Little Ghost" just flew into my DAW ... no struggle. Forgive my rambling here. Though it has been a week since the loopfest, I am still on a real "high" from it and look forward to creating a lot of new looped and non-looped music as a result. -- Kevin -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.15.13/1099 - Release Date: 30/10/2007 10.06 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 2 12:34:37 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 123DF3BEDE; Fri, 2 Nov 2007 12:34:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <03a101c81d4c$b811e680$4001a8c0@pcfabio> Reply-To: "e t e r o g e n e o" From: "e t e r o g e n e o" To: Subject: Y2K7 photos Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2007 13:34:32 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_039E_01C81D55.19B028E0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-Spam-Rating: smtp3.aruba.it 1.6.2 0/1000/N Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/75932 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2007 12:34:37 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_039E_01C81D55.19B028E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi everybody, i've build up 3 web pages with the photos shooted during the Y2K7=20 Loopfestival. For those who are interested, here's the link: = http://www.eterogeneo.com/Y2K7/index.html If, for some reason, someone dont' want to appear in those photos, = please let me know so i can remove them form the web site. I ask everyone of you who shooted photos at the Y2K7 (expecially those=20 where myself appears), to send them to me so i can upload them too (i'll = give you credits) Greetings fabio www.eterogeneo.com ------=_NextPart_000_039E_01C81D55.19B028E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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i've build up 3 web pages with the photos shooted during = the Y2K7=20
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------=_NextPart_000_039E_01C81D55.19B028E0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 2 12:39:48 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AF4BF3BEDE; Fri, 2 Nov 2007 12:39:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: Graphtech installation was AXON AX 100 Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2007 08:39:48 -0400 Message-ID: <641CEFFC7E5B6C42AB59539653FD08238E2E8A@wcu-ex-emp2.PASSHE.LCL> In-Reply-To: <20071101142958.js0fbex1ds0ccgcc@www.wightman.ca> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Graphtech installation was AXON AX 100 Thread-Index: AcgdTXGJ/ULdQ+DWRKOkp3TFYXMxYg== References: <20071101142958.js0fbex1ds0ccgcc@www.wightman.ca> From: "Dean, Hal " To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Nov 2007 12:39:49.0382 (UTC) FILETIME=[75116260:01C81D4D] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/75933 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2007 12:39:48 +0000 (UTC) Paul, I've seen discussions on the midiguitar forum to the effect that the Graphtech connection are (or maybe WERE) tenuous, and that hotgluing them was in order so that they didn't come loose while you're playing in a less than genteel manner. Could you comment on that?=20 Also, I'm interested in how you have signal leaving the guitar. The wiring can be done so that mag pickups signal, piezo signal, and the output from the hexpander module all ride on the 13-pin cable... but that seems likely to be a tonesucker to me, and is an issue that Richard McClish alerted me to via a discussion with John Buscarino, a luthier who made Richard's guitar. I'm inclined to keep the 13-pin cable restricted to the hexpander output and leave the pickups signals traveling on either a Y-cable, or separately on 1/4" cables. Your thoughts on this would be most welcome. Hal Dean -----Original Message----- From: phaslem@wightman.ca [mailto:phaslem@wightman.ca]=20 Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2007 2:30 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Graphtech installation was AXON AX 100 I looked at both systems, the RMC system is more geared to an acoustic type of installation, where as the Graphtech is more like the familiar saddles that you use on any electric guitar. The RMC is a much more complicated installation and I would only recommend a compentent technician do that installation. The Graphtech system is very modular with a minimal amount of soldering. You do have to comfortable enough with wood working to route out spaces in the back of the guitar and drill holes for the wires from the saddles and controls, but all that is pretty basic stuff and reachable by anyone comfortable with cutting holes in their instrument. The system is very like putting together a computer as every control and even the saddles just plug directly into the circut board. I did mine on one Sunday afternoon (that was the Parker p44 installation). If you're interested I could take some pictures of the insides of my guitars that I've installed the system in so that you can see what it looks like. best of luck with it, Paul haslem www.dulcify.ca > > Hey Paul, > Just curious,who installed it for you? i tried finding somebody in=20 > california who would install the Graphtech or RMC system on my=20 > fernandes sustainer but they all seemed to shy away from doing it.Ive=20 > also havent found anybody here in germany yet who would do it if=20 > anybody has a link id aprreciate it! > cheers > Luis > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 2 15:59:00 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 459543BEB6; Fri, 2 Nov 2007 15:59:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 399 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Fri, 02 Nov 2007 15:58:59 UTC Message-ID: <20071102105215.d45tm77xmok44gc8@69.89.21.76> Date: Fri, 02 Nov 2007 10:52:15 -0500 From: kkissinger@kevinkissinger.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: new composition influenced by looping and some ramblings MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.3) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - box76.bluehost.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - kevinkissinger.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/75934 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2007 15:59:00 +0000 (UTC) Quoting Raul Bonell : > Lovely as others stated. > > Hi Kevin, > > How about aesthetics? > I know some contemporary composers refused > the use of the theremin as a "tempered" instrument, > triying to emulate, regular stringed instruments or so... > Which are your opinions about? > Most instruments can play pitches other than those that correspond to the pitches of an equal tempered scale. What makes the theremin unique is that it is not biased towards any set of pitches. To play =20 specific pitches on the theremin with consistancy is difficult =20 compared to (for example) a keyboard. To hold long sustained notes on the theremin is somewhat difficult because one must constantly tune the note while playing it. Wide =20 jumps are difficult however they are dramatic and very fun to play. =20 Rapid passages are not really the theremin's strength -- even when =20 played well they can sound a bit awkward. From an aesthetic standpoint, the theremin's expressiveness attracts =20 me more than its novelty. > > Never listened a theremin player live, > but it seems to me that it's much more difficult o play > "in tune" with a beast like that, than just making "glissandi" sounds... > I'd say that the challenge is to play anything in a controlled and =20 reproduceable manner. Even with Glissandi -- to play them in a =20 controlled manner (speed, volume, etc) can be as demanding as one =20 wishes to make it. > > I supose it's just the melody on top what you played with it.. isn't? > Correct. In "The Sad Little Ghost" I play a single theremin track. =20 The other tracks are from my Kurzweil K2600 synthesizer. I used =20 Cubase SX3. To keep a warm, natural feel to the tracks I didn't quantize anything. =20 I did work with a "click track" however in a somewhat loose fashion =20 -- enough to hold things together but not in a "quartz crystal locked =20 metronome" style. > > 2007/11/1, Chuck Silva : >> >> >> Did you compose all of it? > Yes, I composed it all. > >> >> If so I'd b very interested to know some details. >> >> For example: >> >> What DAW do you use? >> > I use Cubase SX3 with a Toshiba Laptop and an RME800 interface. > >> What soft synths if any are you using? > No soft synths -- I used my K2600 synth for all the tracks except the =20 theremin track. > >> Apparently you are a trained musician? >> > Yes, I am. I have a Bachelor of Music degree with a major in Pipe =20 Organ Performance. The degree included counterpoint and I studied =20 composition as an elective. I never went on to grad school (went to =20 computer school instead) however on my own I studied some of the =20 standard graduate texts on Orchestration, Composition, and Theory. =20 Fortunately, I have few regrets about my past however the choice to =20 stay in Kansas City and not continue with grad school has always =20 bugged me a bit. With the availability of the internet and =20 distance-learning there is the temptation to do some graduate work. I =20 probably won't but the temptation is there. :) > >> Do you compose the bulk of your music on a Keyboard-Theremin? >> > I started to play the theremin two years ago. Before then my music =20 has been primarily for keyboard synthesizers. For composition, I use =20 Cubase and my K2600. I developed a patch for the K2600 the mimics the =20 timbres and attack of the theremin (though it doesn't sound like a =20 theremin). When I compose the theremin parts, I sequence the notes =20 and use the theremin patch as a placeholder. I then convert the =20 theremin part to a regular score from which I memorize and play the =20 theremin part. Every note that I played at Y2K7 was written out. > >> Who are you and what planet are you from? >> > I live in Parkville, Mo -- a suburb of Kansas City, Mo. You can find =20 a little "chronology" on my web site =20 http://kevinkissinger.com/chronology.shtml that tracks my lifelong =20 interest in music and electronics. Given that, as loopers, we share =20 an interest in music and technology you will probably find many =20 similarities between my background and yours. :) > >> >> As hard as I try to be forward thinking and open to new and >> progressive music, it's refreshing to hear something inspired in the >> more conventional manner. > Glad you found it refreshing. > >> >> Indeed it seems to me it is best to be trained in convention. Then >> one can take that power and push the envelope. > Or, I would add, to have experience and/or familiarity with vintage =20 music (regardless if the knowledge comes from a conservatory). To =20 work without such information might result in music that is completely =20 unique without influence from anything else although the result often =20 re-invents the wheel. > >> >> Thank you for sharing that 'oh my god soooooo awesome music'! :-) >> > Thank you and so many others for the encouragement. My looping work to date as been fairly rhythmic -- mainly to help me =20 stay in sync as I layer the music. I want to create something slow =20 and expressive that is entirely live-looped. Imagine those long notes =20 echoing around a surround-system! Thank you for asking questions about me and my music. I appreciate =20 the knowledge and contributions of the looping community and I am =20 honored to be a part of it. Sincerely, Kevin From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 2 16:37:51 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1477C3BECA; Fri, 2 Nov 2007 16:37:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <017c01c81d6e$af02bf20$5901a8c0@bobdell> Reply-To: "Bob Amstadt" From: "Bob Amstadt" To: References: <20071102105215.d45tm77xmok44gc8@69.89.21.76> Subject: OT: cable wraps with custom printing? Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2007 09:37:38 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Resent-Message-ID: <-e4iAB.A.55.eJ1KHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/75935 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2007 16:37:51 +0000 (UTC) Hi guys, I'm looking for a company that will sell cable wraps with custom printing on them. I want to buy some to give away at trade shows. Anybody know where I can go to get these done? Thanks, Bob From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 2 17:15:29 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DE8FC3BEC2; Fri, 2 Nov 2007 17:15:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "Aaron Leese" To: Subject: RE: FlyLoops and electronic instruments Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2007 10:15:10 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1250" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 In-Reply-To: <20071102112957.25yu8zzgzk4gsw88@69.89.21.76> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Thread-Index: Acgdbanz6q91Fyj0R4+clmjW6dgJxQAA8K0Q Message-Id: <20071102171528.288223BEB6@arsenic.violacea.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/75936 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2007 17:15:29 +0000 (UTC) Yeah ... www.flyloops.com ... there are several demo (videos) on this page that do a pretty good job explaining the features. The videos are pretty old though, so some things have changed. You could also listen to the recording I posted yesterday (www.aaronleese.com/sickness%20spreading.mp3 ) ... which demonstrates the some of the key features. I was hoping for some feedback on that one ... but it's apparently too bad for anyone to even comment ... geesh. The two main selling points for flyloops are: 1 - Loops of different length, synced (or not), independently controllable. So you can record a dozen different layers and then turn them on/off at will or change the volume or effects on individual layers. 2 - Group Looping: If you have an audio device with multiple inputs, they are kept separate by flyloops, so you can choose to record one but ignore another (when a certain button is pushed, say). This allows for group looping (multiple people all playing and looping together with the same syncing scheme, but each controlling when his/her instrument is recorded). It's gonna be a while before I have a VST version programmed ... if I write a VST slave version of flyloops ... then yes, it will plug in to Cubase. Since Cubase is Rewire compatible, you can also use ReWire to specify that the audio outputs of Cubase should be routed to flyloops (or vice versa). Flyloops does run at 48kHz, yes. You can spcify 44.1 or 48 ... and 16,24 or 32 bit. There is no demo, the commercial version should be out this spring ... pricing is still up in the air. Probably $400-$500 for a foot pedal device and the software .... $300 for the software alone (with a hardware dongle). -----Original Message----- From: kkissinger@kevinkissinger.com [mailto:kkissinger@kevinkissinger.com] Sent: Friday, November 02, 2007 9:30 AM To: aaronleese@flyloops.com Subject: Re: FlyLoops and electronic instruments Aaron, Since your Flyloops demo was right after my set I didn't get to see very much. Do you have a website/brochure that explains the features of Flyloops? Also, will Flyloops VST implementation plug in to Cubase's 5.1 buss? If I run Cubase at a 48Khz sample rate will Flyloops work? The reason I ask about 48khz is that I use 24-bit ADAT lightpipe from my K2600 to my DAW and it runs at 48khz. Thus, I have standardized around 48khz to avoid having to switch between 44.1 and 48. Is there a demo copy of flyloops available? How much will the production version cost? Sorry if you have already answered these questions before. Sincerely, Kevin Quoting Aaron Leese : > > > Hey all ... > > In response to the many inquiries I got about using Flyloops with VSTs and > other programs, I've gone ahead and applied for a license from Propellerhead > to get the libraries to make Flyloops Rewire compatible. > > In English ..... this will make it possible to use the output from other > programs (like samplers which generate the sound for electronic > instruments/keyboards, etc. or VST instruments) ... and use that sound as > the inputs that Flyloops sees, and can then loop. Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.487 / Virus Database: 0.0.0/0 - Release Date: 12:00 AM Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Free Edition. 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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 2 18:30:08 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E014C3BEC7; Fri, 2 Nov 2007 18:30:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <472B6C80.8030207@post.cybercity.dk> Date: Fri, 02 Nov 2007 19:29:20 +0100 From: van Sinn Reply-To: vansinn@post.cybercity.dk Organization: van Sinn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight Subject: Need time sync explained Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/75937 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2007 18:30:07 +0000 (UTC) If using looping in a band not using any sequencing, say a rockband with no keyboards, any looper will be free running in it's own tempo, AFAICT. Don't think the looper cares about the band chemistry ;) As a guitar player, I'd want not having to preset bpm's, but just tap when I feel like it, after which the looper need to keep it sync. Yup, you can tell I have no looper! I may go for a HW looper, but drift more'n'more towards a SW solution on a labmactop, probably as a pluging, to integrate with Logic's MainStage. I'm studying http://www.krispenhartung.com/software-looping.htm ATM.. So, how to sync? sensors on the drum kit into.. something generating MIDI sync info? -- rgds, van Sinn From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 2 19:09:58 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DD64A3BEB6; Fri, 2 Nov 2007 19:09:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=oCgaGY6/0gEBIrKjwsMnUIgo2u0C2FV50G1COAtfgf0=; b=FTq7lcmGsHTgh0iqLsjYX4xMOiKfQvXkUBdDN8nwz75XuQJ8W0wYS7JKOmKNZClzyIUCxs3R5O3wfj7ITQL2x+zUeNBPTkCggCcDq4GKVJuJMOkaa/3phndcYkn5El9VzocoSyGHxcFTdWta7+YCXgIuaALc2hFBuGksvQdjl3I= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=TCRME/DtVOwTYtp09FvnH4hweYo/w9TCIINhEn29UCH6Y0MiKxC6j5jG47WeTXbrF8lfZISQeEXFoC5xkj3Ok31pc0H10DqP6OH9OxTCPxSzFwo4LF0lM0iS30kC6zI8CE+7ug2u/47/mbdFqQuWj7XAa0VUdplF+ucjhwgrZEA= Message-ID: <9e0440a60711021209s5c9d4587g93515410cd185a1c@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2007 15:09:56 -0400 From: "Jim Goodin" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: New CD Release: Music Unfit for Children In-Reply-To: <00e101c81cf4$2537c8f0$0eaae40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/related; boundary="----=_Part_18635_1092156.1194030596590" References: <00e101c81cf4$2537c8f0$0eaae40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/75938 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2007 19:09:58 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_18635_1092156.1194030596590 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_18636_15243354.1194030596590" ------=_Part_18636_15243354.1194030596590 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Kris this is a very cool almost like an 'Alice in Wunderland' record. Have been streaming in the background at work and particularly like the Frisellian guitar work on one piece, not keeping trax of names just letting the Box player rotate, but particularly like what you are doing in that. I also like the dense reverb giving that Alice down the rabbit hole feel plus the occasional crys. Good stuff! Jim On 11/1/07, Krispen Hartung wrote: > > Here is my latest. I enjoyed making this CD more than any other in my > discography. It reminded me how much fun it is to be a kid again. :) > > "Forks on Lids" is probably my favorite, the only one with me playing > guitar. This image, also in the main CD page below, has a picture of all > the instruments used on the CD. > http://www.krispenhartung.com/music-unfit-for-children/tray-card.jpg > > Kris > > *Music Unfit for Children > *by Krispen, Tristan, & Kyra Hartung > Buy - http://kunaki.com/Sales.asp?PID=PX00ZQC8SO > Download MP3 version for free: http://www.box.net/shared/x5x8q492br > More info, pictures of artwork, etc: > http://www.krispenhartung.com/music-unfit-for-children/index.htm > > > > *Music Unfit for Children* is a Hartung family collaboration and > experimental collection of improvisational compositions. Each musical > composition is based on various children's toys, acoustic and foundsound > instruments, and processing by the notebook computer and Cycling 74's > Max/MSP. > > - Krispen Hartung - Mini electric guitar, Notebook computer, Cycling > 74 Max/MSP, Native Instruments Reaktor 5, vtech(R) Bright Lights toy phone, > Alphabet Pal(R) Caterpillar, Joe Rut Sound Machine, Craftsman(R) Toy Screwdriver > , Spinning Star Globe Wand > - Tristan Hartung - Nylon string acoustic guitar, fork on pot lid, > Electronic toothbrush, Voice > - Kyra Hartung - Fork on pot lid, Electronic toothbrush, Voice > > > *Song List* (linked to MP3s) > > Alphabet Pal > Bright Lights > Electronic Toothbrush Ensemble > Forks on Lids > Unprepared Guitar > > *Credits* > > - CD cover artwork by Tristan and Kyra Hartung (2 1/2 years old) > - CD production by Kunaki (www.kunaki.com) > - CD tray card photo by Krispen Hartung; inside sleeve photo of > Krispen by Mark Hamburg; inside sleeve photos of Tristan and Kyra by Carissa > Hartung > - Song credits and instrumentation: > - Alphabet Pal: > Krispen Hartung (Alphabet Pal(R) Caterpillar, laptop computer > processing via Max/MSP and Reaktor 5) > - Bright Lights: > Krispen Hartung (vtech(R) Bright Lights toy phone, laptop > computer processing via Max/MSP and Reaktor 5) > - Electronic Toothbrush Ensemble: > Tristan & Kyra Hartung (voice, electronic toothbrushes), Krispen Hartung > (the Joe Rut Sound Machine, laptop computer processing via Max/MSP and > Reaktor 5) > - Forks on Lids: > Tristan & Kyra Hartung (kitchen forks and pod lids, voice), Krispen Hartung > (mini electric guitar, laptop computer processing via Max/MSP and Reaktor 5) > - Unprepared Guitar: > Tristan Hartung (nylon string acoustic guitar), Krispen Hartung (laptop > computer processing via Max/MSP and Reaktor 5) > > > > -- The Acoustic World Guitar of Jim Goodin - http://www.jimgoodinmusic.com MySpace (solo) - http://www.myspace.com/jimgoodinmusic Chinapainting - http://www.chinapaintingmusic.com Chinapainting on My Space - http://www.myspace.com/chinapaintingmusic.com The Jim Goodin label and home for 7 other creative souls - http://www.woodandwiremusic.com Jim Goodin uses GHS Strings - http://www.ghsstrings.com and Seagull Guitars - http://www.seagullguitars.com, Jim Goodin is published by Mel Bay Publications, Inc. - http://www.melbay.com Associates and friends on the web - Daryl Shawn - http://www.swanwelder.com Adam Werner - http://www.adamwerner.com John Stowell - http://www.johnstowell.com Matt Richards - http://www.mattrichardsmusic.net Michael Manring - http://www.manthing.com Will Ackerman - http://www.williamackerman.com New Land Music - http://www.newlandmusic.com ------=_Part_18636_15243354.1194030596590 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline
Kris this is a very cool almost like an 'Alice in Wunderland' record.  Have been streaming in the background at work and particularly like the Frisellian guitar work on one piece, not keeping trax of names just letting the Box player rotate, but particularly like what you are doing in that.  I also like the dense reverb giving that Alice down the rabbit hole feel plus the occasional crys.  Good stuff!
 
Jim

 
On 11/1/07, Krispen Hartung <khartung@cableone.net> wrote:
Here is my latest. I enjoyed making this CD more than any other in my discography. It reminded me how much fun it is to be a kid again. :)
 
"Forks on Lids" is probably my favorite, the only one with me playing guitar.  This image, also in the main CD page below, has a picture of all the instruments used on the CD. http://www.krispenhartung.com/music-unfit-for-children/tray-card.jpg
 
Kris 
 
Music Unfit for Children
by Krispen, Tristan, & Kyra Hartung
Buy - http://kunaki.com/Sales.asp?PID=PX00ZQC8SO
Download MP3 version for free: http://www.box.net/shared/x5x8q492br
More info, pictures of artwork, etc: http://www.krispenhartung.com/music-unfit-for-children/index.htm



Music Unfit for Children is a Hartung family collaboration and experimental collection of improvisational compositions. Each musical composition is based on various children's toys, acoustic and foundsound instruments, and processing by the notebook computer and Cycling 74's Max/MSP.
  • Krispen Hartung - Mini electric guitar, Notebook computer, Cycling 74 Max/MSP, Native Instruments Reaktor 5, vtech® Bright Lights toy phone, Alphabet Pal® Caterpillar, Joe Rut Sound Machine, Craftsman® Toy Screwdriver , Spinning Star Globe Wand
  • Tristan Hartung - Nylon string acoustic guitar, fork on pot lid, Electronic toothbrush, Voice
  • Kyra Hartung - Fork on pot lid, Electronic toothbrush, Voice
 
Song List (linked to MP3s)
 

Credits

  • CD cover artwork by Tristan and Kyra Hartung (2 1/2 years old)
  • CD production by Kunaki (www.kunaki.com )
  • CD tray card photo by Krispen Hartung; inside sleeve photo of Krispen by Mark Hamburg; inside sleeve photos of Tristan and Kyra by Carissa Hartung
  • Song credits and instrumentation:
    • Alphabet Pal: Krispen Hartung (Alphabet Pal® Caterpillar, laptop computer processing via Max/MSP and Reaktor 5)
    • Bright Lights: Krispen Hartung ( vtech® Bright Lights toy phone, laptop computer processing via Max/MSP and Reaktor 5)
    • Electronic Toothbrush Ensemble : Tristan & Kyra Hartung (voice, electronic toothbrushes), Krispen Hartung (the Joe Rut Sound Machine, laptop computer processing via Max/MSP and Reaktor 5)
    • Forks on Lids: Tristan & Kyra Hartung (kitchen forks and pod lids, voice), Krispen Hartung (mini electric guitar, laptop computer processing via Max/MSP and Reaktor 5)
    • Unprepared Guitar: Tristan Hartung (nylon string acoustic guitar), Krispen Hartung (laptop computer processing via Max/MSP and Reaktor 5)



    --
    The Acoustic World Guitar of Jim Goodin  - http://www.jimgoodinmusic.com
    MySpace (solo) - http://www.myspace.com/jimgoodinmusic
    Chinapainting -
    http://www.chinapaintingmusic.com
    Chinapainting on My Space -
    http://www.myspace.com/chinapaintingmusic.com
    The Jim Goodin label and home for 7 other creative souls - http://www.woodandwiremusic.com
    Jim Goodin uses GHS Strings - http://www.ghsstrings.com and Seagull Guitars - http://www.seagullguitars.com, Jim Goodin is published by Mel Bay Publications, Inc. - http://www.melbay.com

    Associates and friends on the web -
    Daryl Shawn -
    http://www.swanwelder.com
    Adam Werner - http://www.adamwerner.com
    John Stowell - http://www.johnstowell.com
    Matt Richards - http://www.mattrichardsmusic.net
    Michael Manring - http://www.manthing.com
    Will Ackerman - http://www.williamackerman.com
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b=HmcMR+GdgKilFwRahx78nN+Xve8QzfeKqUBQUYOt33giRG+1PskZzlUbJqXtf8EujI5HUhb1sbSCSBffZg5XrWfGYn8LC119rXEdCKPVKPw4zrDS4jcH09Yy5sGnnz+MVLzKef/Oq6jLr27ecrrFrat39TSKumHA3BqMjNbAOaE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=iBkrfIuFf7vQYZY1usBGRxO5UCP7Ggu2mPlgqLESJrcT1Y1UWy7rj+Un/tF4NP+iHUj1ZfKk8Wu5V3bMiillrxtSZTApuc7JOYc4RDZgFPDbWR/u/YTRBZtWLmH/ClGRd37dr4ERfWmZDlW35y52/tIfiru1Ya2ONp9cmWCVCe4= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <472B6C80.8030207@post.cybercity.dk> References: <472B6C80.8030207@post.cybercity.dk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <00D88560-BFB0-419D-8B67-3960CDA8865D@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Need time sync explained Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2007 20:13:18 +0100 To: Loopers X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: <2_VEYC.A.SPG.hb3KHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/75939 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2007 19:13:37 +0000 (UTC) On Nov 2, 2007, at 19:29, van Sinn wrote: > I may go for a HW looper, but drift more'n'more towards a SW > solution on a labmactop, probably as a pluging, to integrate with > Logic's MainStage. > > So, how to sync? sensors on the drum kit into.. something > generating MIDI sync info? My advice is to sync manually by either tempo tapping a pedal or using a pedal button that restarts all loops instantly. I give this advice because a "restart/trigger all loops" kick button works better for me compared to other methods I have used with Electrixpro Repeater, Gibson Echoplex, Ableton Live and Mobius. I too like MainStage a lot, but I still use Logic for looping virtual MIDI instruments. I make this choice because I like using some functions I have built in the Environment, like different arpeggio lines and a tuned/intelligent chord creator (the Chord Memorizer object, for those who know Logic). However, If I should have been playing guitar only, I would go with MainStage right away. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 2 20:13:01 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 27AF53BECA; Fri, 2 Nov 2007 20:13:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "Aaron Leese" To: Subject: RE: funky music from lack of sleep Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2007 13:12:46 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1250" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Thread-Index: Acgcovrq1UNH1tGdQIC5dAraNHNolgAPG2rgACtJO7A= In-Reply-To: <20071101234201.16EFD3BEAC@arsenic.violacea.com> Message-Id: <20071102201259.33C3A3BEAB@arsenic.violacea.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/75940 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2007 20:13:01 +0000 (UTC) No comments at all ... That is amazing =85. Please, feel free to write = back and tell me if my work sucks ... I don=92t get easily offended. I know it=92s not as experimental as most of what get posted here ... = But that=92s ok too, yes ? I can't believe I am replying to my own post ...=20 -----Original Message----- From: Aaron Leese [mailto:aaronleese@flyloops.com]=20 Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2007 4:42 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: funky music from lack of sleep Monday I got a new function finished for Flyloops which allows you to = save your session ... that is, save everything you are playing and looping. So I've been sitting here playing and recording and barely eating for a couple days now (get going on a project and suddenly it's 3AM and your wondering why your so hungry .... ha). Anyway .... I thought I would share ... since I realized I have yet to = have ever posted any music on here, and this one turned out nicely. Feedback is always appreciated .... http://www.aaronleese.com/sickness%20spreading.mp3 Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Free Edition.=20 Version: 7.5.487 / Virus Database: 0.0.0/0 - Release Date: = 12:00 AM =20 Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Free Edition.=20 Version: 7.5.487 / Virus Database: 0.0.0/0 - Release Date: = 12:00 AM =20 Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Free Edition.=20 Version: 7.5.487 / Virus Database: 0.0.0/0 - Release Date: = 12:00 AM =20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 2 20:26:19 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D9C253BEC2; Fri, 2 Nov 2007 20:26:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <20071102152613.kj35ycszk4g8kc0o@69.89.21.76> Date: Fri, 02 Nov 2007 15:26:13 -0500 From: kkissinger@kevinkissinger.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: funky music from lack of sleep References: <20071102201259.33C3A3BEAB@arsenic.violacea.com> In-Reply-To: <20071102201259.33C3A3BEAB@arsenic.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.3) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - box76.bluehost.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - kevinkissinger.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/75941 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2007 20:26:19 +0000 (UTC) Aaron, You beat me to the punch! I listened to your work and enjoyed it. It well demonstrates your =20 software's ability to layer and synchronize many tracks. Look forward to learning more =20 about your software and to hear more music. Sincerely, Kevin Quoting Aaron Leese : > > > No comments at all ... That is amazing =E2=80=A6. Please, feel free to wri= te back > and tell me if my work sucks ... I don=E2=80=99t get easily offended. > > I know it=E2=80=99s not as experimental as most of what get posted here ..= . But > that=E2=80=99s ok too, yes ? > > I can't believe I am replying to my own post ... > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Aaron Leese [mailto:aaronleese@flyloops.com] > Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2007 4:42 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: funky music from lack of sleep > > > > > Monday I got a new function finished for Flyloops which allows you to save > your session ... that is, save everything you are playing and looping. > > So I've been sitting here playing and recording and barely eating for a > couple days now (get going on a project and suddenly it's 3AM and your > wondering why your so hungry .... ha). > > Anyway .... I thought I would share ... since I realized I have yet to hav= e > ever posted any music on here, and this one turned out nicely. > > Feedback is always appreciated .... > > http://www.aaronleese.com/sickness%20spreading.mp3 > > > Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.487 / Virus Database: 0.0.0/0 - Release Date: 12:00 > AM > > > > Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.487 / Virus Database: 0.0.0/0 - Release Date: 12:00 > AM > > > Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.487 / Virus Database: 0.0.0/0 - Release Date: 12:00 > AM > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 2 20:29:30 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id ECF9F3BED2; Fri, 2 Nov 2007 20:29:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <010d01c81d8f$117135e0$52b4ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <20071102171528.288223BEB6@arsenic.violacea.com> Subject: Re: FlyLoops and electronic instruments Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2007 14:29:28 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="windows-1250"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/75942 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2007 20:29:30 +0000 (UTC) Hi Aaron - As a max user, I am intrigued the re-wire capability with FlyLoops. But before I go into that, can you just send us a text list of features and functionality. I am at the website, and the video demos are cool, but I don't have much time and just need the facts. Any other specs would be usefull too. Thanks! Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Aaron Leese" To: Sent: Friday, November 02, 2007 11:15 AM Subject: RE: FlyLoops and electronic instruments > > > > Yeah ... www.flyloops.com ... there are several demo (videos) on this page > that do a pretty good job explaining the features. The videos are pretty > old though, so some things have changed. You could also listen to the > recording I posted yesterday > (www.aaronleese.com/sickness%20spreading.mp3 ) > ... which demonstrates the some of the key features. I was hoping for > some > feedback on that one ... but it's apparently too bad for anyone to even > comment ... geesh. > > The two main selling points for flyloops are: > > 1 - Loops of different length, synced (or not), independently > controllable. > So you can record a dozen different layers and then turn them on/off at > will > or change the volume or effects on individual layers. > > 2 - Group Looping: If you have an audio device with multiple inputs, they > are kept separate by flyloops, so you can choose to record one but ignore > another (when a certain button is pushed, say). This allows for group > looping (multiple people all playing and looping together with the same > syncing scheme, but each controlling when his/her instrument is recorded). > > > > It's gonna be a while before I have a VST version programmed ... if I > write > a VST slave version of flyloops ... then yes, it will plug in to Cubase. > Since Cubase is Rewire compatible, you can also use ReWire to specify that > the audio outputs of Cubase should be routed to flyloops (or vice versa). > > Flyloops does run at 48kHz, yes. You can spcify 44.1 or 48 ... and 16,24 > or > 32 bit. > > There is no demo, the commercial version should be out this spring ... > pricing is still up in the air. Probably $400-$500 for a foot pedal > device > and the software .... $300 for the software alone (with a hardware > dongle). > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: kkissinger@kevinkissinger.com [mailto:kkissinger@kevinkissinger.com] > Sent: Friday, November 02, 2007 9:30 AM > To: aaronleese@flyloops.com > Subject: Re: FlyLoops and electronic instruments > > Aaron, > > Since your Flyloops demo was right after my set I didn't get to see very > much. > > Do you have a website/brochure that explains the features of Flyloops? > > Also, will Flyloops VST implementation plug in to Cubase's 5.1 buss? > > If I run Cubase at a 48Khz sample rate will Flyloops work? > > The reason I ask about 48khz is that I use 24-bit ADAT lightpipe from > my K2600 to my DAW and it runs at 48khz. Thus, I have standardized > around 48khz to avoid having to switch between 44.1 and 48. > > Is there a demo copy of flyloops available? How much will the > production version cost? > > Sorry if you have already answered these questions before. > > Sincerely, > > Kevin > Quoting Aaron Leese : > >> >> >> Hey all ... >> >> In response to the many inquiries I got about using Flyloops with VSTs >> and >> other programs, I've gone ahead and applied for a license from > Propellerhead >> to get the libraries to make Flyloops Rewire compatible. >> >> In English ..... this will make it possible to use the output from other >> programs (like samplers which generate the sound for electronic >> instruments/keyboards, etc. or VST instruments) ... and use that sound as >> the inputs that Flyloops sees, and can then loop. > > Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.487 / Virus Database: 0.0.0/0 - Release Date: 12:00 > AM > > > Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.487 / Virus Database: 0.0.0/0 - Release Date: 12:00 > AM > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 2 20:54:03 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D511E3BED2; Fri, 2 Nov 2007 20:54:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <20071102155359.lskw9hubk4sg884k@69.89.21.76> Date: Fri, 02 Nov 2007 15:53:59 -0500 From: kkissinger@kevinkissinger.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: two pieces for contemporary dance References: <0eb5c2486d0b573470e2266b92e0f2f2@gmx.net> In-Reply-To: <0eb5c2486d0b573470e2266b92e0f2f2@gmx.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.3) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - box76.bluehost.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - kevinkissinger.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/75943 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2007 20:54:03 +0000 (UTC) Nico, The idea of reading poetry through a vocoder to integrate the reading harmonically into the music is great. This technique is new to me. You could probably do some cool things with looped vocoder tracks. Enjoyed the minimalist piano parts, too. -- Kevin From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 2 21:16:26 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C5F7D3BEDC; Fri, 2 Nov 2007 21:16:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "Aaron Leese" To: Subject: RE: FlyLoops and electronic instruments Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2007 14:16:11 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1250" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Thread-Index: AcgdjxYybHbnbItnSEKyTjaqFFPbnwABYf0g In-Reply-To: <010d01c81d8f$117135e0$52b4ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Message-Id: <20071102211625.093E83BED2@arsenic.violacea.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/75944 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2007 21:16:26 +0000 (UTC) Sure will .... I actually just sent a rather overly detailed list to Rainer too .... = so let me resurrect that ... I'll edit it down a bit for yah. Second thought ..... No I won't ..... better idea is to let it stand, since others may have useful input on the flyloops/mobius comparison. By the way ... already got that degree ... and yes, it was mad fun .... = one needs some relief from the dry engineering classes ... and philosophy is just the right stuff. So here is that email ...... :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::= :: I am certainly no mobius expert .. so perhaps you can help me through = this. Lets do this one item at a time: INTERFACE / INTERACTION : I know mobius can handle multiple loops in parallel, as can flyloops ... = and I think the approaches we use are somewhat similar ... Screenshots: Flyloops - www.flyloops.com/screenshot.jpg=20 Mobius - http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/zonemobius It looks like you can control various aspects of multiple loops at the = same time from either program .... by this I mean hit a couple pedals and = tell the program to turn certain loops on/off on the next repeat ... stack on = a certain loop (but not the others) .... then maybe tweek a knob on a midi controller and change the volume or pan of one of your loops. INITIAL LOOP: Both flyloops and mobius (I think) get their timing from an intial = recorded loop ... the "master". All others are synced to that, or not ... which brings us to ..... SYNCING: I am not sure what polyrythmic is on the looping comparison chart .. but = I bet we have the same idea here. All loops in flyloops can be recorded = as: - full sync - meaning start/stop recording only at the masters loop = boundary .. so all loops start/stop with the master, and are a multiple of the = master loops length - partial sync - start recording whenever I tap in, but when I tap out = .. wait until the loop is some multiple of the masters length ... so all = loops are a multiple of the length ... but will start/stop only at a = particular offset to the master. - No sync - just start and stop when I tap ... so the loop can be any length, and will not sync to the master. I imagine it is the same in mobius .... ? MASTER: switch which loop is master .. I am sure that mobius does this. MIDI CONTROL: I think they are comparable with this ... both programs have a wide = variety of functions that can be mapped to midi commands. TEMPO/PITCH SHIFT: I haven't programmed this yet... so currently there is no tempo or pitch shifting (there use to be, when I used DirectX .. you'll notice in one = of the videos) ... but ASIO has no inherent support for this ... but this = is top of the list of things to get done. TAP TEMPO: Mobius does this ... Flyloops will, once pitch/tempo shift is complete. VST:=20 Mobius blows me out of the water here ... flyloops cannot run as a VST (yet). GROUP LOOPING: Can mobius specify which audio stream to record by device .. such as, = when receiving a certain command ... I record only the left audio source = (which happens to be, say, the drums) ... I sync it according to the sync = setting ADD/ MULTIPLY/ OVERWRITE: same, I think STACK: Flyloops lets you stack on loops individually ... with whatever decay you wish ... I imagine mobius is the same. CONSOLIDATE: consolidate loops ... select three and make them one. I = don=92t know if mobius does this .... ? GROUPING: Specify that loops 1,2 and 4 are in group I .... loop 5 is in group II, = and 3 isnt in a group .... then change the volume for group I ... or the pan = on group II ..... or stutter the loops in group I .... I imagine mobius can do this ... ? EXTERNAL SYNCING: flyloops doesn't do this ... though once it is rewire compatible it = should by able to sync to internal sources. And .... you could set up an = external source to trigger the rec button ... so sync that way .... but you could = NOT track to an external drum machine as you changed tempo for example. SAVING: Flyloops can save in two way .... first, export the loops as wav files. Also .. there is a record session button which records the performance = ... it records to two files ... one which is live input (The solos being = played) the other is flyloops output .. the loops (after volume, etc. = adjustments). I don=92t know if mobius does this second one ... but it's a easy thing = to add if it doesn't. Woooosh ..... long email ... I gotta get some food. Did I miss anything? Write back with questions if yah got em'. Cheers Aaron Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Free Edition.=20 Version: 7.5.487 / Virus Database: 0.0.0/0 - Release Date: = 12:00 AM =20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 2 22:01:43 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 95FDD3BEB9; Fri, 2 Nov 2007 22:01:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <380-22007115222127933@M2W014.mail2web.com> X-Priority: 3 Reply-To: qua@oregon.com X-Originating-IP: 134.134.136.4 X-URL: http://mail2web.com/ From: "qua@oregon.com" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: two pieces for contemporary dance Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2007 18:01:27 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/75945 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2007 22:01:43 +0000 (UTC) Hi Nico, please repost the link to your "two pieces for contemporay dance"=2E thanks -Qua Original Message: ----------------- From: kkissinger@kevinkissinger=2Ecom Date: Fri, 02 Nov 2007 15:53:59 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight=2Ecom Subject: Re: two pieces for contemporary dance Nico, The idea of reading poetry through a vocoder to integrate the reading =20 harmonically into the music is great=2E This technique is new to me=2E You could probably do some cool things with looped vocoder tracks=2E Enjoyed the minimalist piano parts, too=2E -- Kevin -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web LIVE =96 Free email based on Microsoft=AE Exchange technology - http://link=2Email2web=2Ecom/LIVE From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 2 22:52:44 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4EEDE3BECC; Fri, 2 Nov 2007 22:52:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <380-220071152225242698@M2W041.mail2web.com> X-Priority: 3 Reply-To: qua@oregon.com X-Originating-IP: 134.134.136.4 X-URL: http://mail2web.com/ From: "qua@oregon.com" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2007 18:52:42 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: OT: new processor for Mac laptops, same price Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/75946 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2007 22:52:44 +0000 (UTC) FYI: MacBook (and Macbook pro) laptops released this week=2E more power s= ame price=2E using Intel=92s new =93Santa Rosa=94 chipset=2E=20 Besides a better graphics card (the Intel GMA X3100 processor) and a faste= r front-side bus, the Santa-Rosa-equipped laptops will also support the latest, 802=2E11n Wi-Fi specification=2E The base model will get a slightl= y faster 2-Ghz Intel=AE Core=992 Duo processor T7300, and mid- and upper-ran= ge models will get a 2=2E2-GHz chip, according to PC Magazine =2E Benchmark= s show ~ 10% increase in performance=2E -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://link=2Email2web=2Ecom/mail2web From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 2 23:13:17 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 44EC53BED3; Fri, 2 Nov 2007 23:13:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; bh=+fpscK84cLoMoF8SFmxFpPdz6e15Ua50fQPh6u3o8M0=; b=liDohoBnrsfRZu8W0VnsV+iOa7sJtpXswNolyu+LRTIG05XpjivHY/9rzmpilI1AM5f1G913U2HdhmEceRnYVZ1Df3MzKvMPudz+NfGeoP42C+3WPFKY3MCAf/SQ6D1rOiaGDAlBVKthT2InXLmy7qZv3gbcexEM+gAjzfzDbBU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=j+UdnmbNevA+DCI3qhSXaoeBauaPkw+RqNDL7lPFgkOx6iweNSyPLDv10WDbEXqnlMk2t9QTEv64MMOZy6tlIhXSbi27fywXkyauL+kJ+WasezR+7SmOs2ZeF0mDIhh4ElhRtkv31tAdTSxTI5cBZOkCGi+JDhpTQo0NxNcrAEI= Message-ID: <9e0440a60711021613v2b08e47fhd084e72007838008@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2007 19:13:14 -0400 From: "Jim Goodin" To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Somewhat OT: Macbook screen quest or recommenation MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_19887_6078189.1194045194687" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/75947 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2007 23:13:17 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_19887_6078189.1194045194687 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Hey folks... Qua's email regarding the Mac Intel chip reminded me I should poll the group for input re a Mac problem. My son's Intel Macbook took a hit recently and the display has reincarnated to a lava lamp look. Apple reports @$600 for the redo which is too nuts to consider. I'm seeking a damaged Macbook that I could get a screen from or anybody have any potential leads where I might find an affordable replace beyond porting to a secondary display? Thanks and good weekend to all Jim -- The Acoustic World Guitar of Jim Goodin - http://www.jimgoodinmusic.com MySpace (solo) - http://www.myspace.com/jimgoodinmusic Chinapainting - http://www.chinapaintingmusic.com Chinapainting on My Space - http://www.myspace.com/chinapaintingmusic.com The Jim Goodin label and home for 7 other creative souls - http://www.woodandwiremusic.com Jim Goodin uses GHS Strings - http://www.ghsstrings.com and Seagull Guitars - http://www.seagullguitars.com, Jim Goodin is published by Mel Bay Publications, Inc. - http://www.melbay.com ------=_Part_19887_6078189.1194045194687 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline
    Hey folks...
     
    Qua's email regarding the Mac Intel chip reminded me I should poll the group for input re a Mac problem.  My son's Intel Macbook took a hit recently and the display has reincarnated to a lava lamp look.  Apple reports @$600 for the redo which is too nuts to consider.  I'm seeking a damaged Macbook that I could get a screen from or anybody have any potential leads where I might find an affordable replace beyond porting to a secondary display?
     
    Thanks and good weekend to all
     
    Jim
     
    --
    The Acoustic World Guitar of Jim Goodin  - http://www.jimgoodinmusic.com
    MySpace (solo) - http://www.myspace.com/jimgoodinmusic
    Chinapainting -
    http://www.chinapaintingmusic.com
    Chinapainting on My Space -
    http://www.myspace.com/chinapaintingmusic.com
    The Jim Goodin label and home for 7 other creative souls - http://www.woodandwiremusic.com
    Jim Goodin uses GHS Strings - http://www.ghsstrings.com and Seagull Guitars - http://www.seagullguitars.com, Jim Goodin is published by Mel Bay Publications, Inc. - http://www.melbay.com
     
    ------=_Part_19887_6078189.1194045194687-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 2 23:40:45 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 98B8E3BECA; Fri, 2 Nov 2007 23:40:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=WxxC88EUCWvwE4l9rJyL+0U+kwoPqsk5aRGJ6kngUak=; b=lCVe0eQbwMgEEEZl09sf11Vp5xs8N6s8tjrJnGUroDO7tzACXcUEjJv9lYp10EZLNMfsfNjymqzHGuA/m9m2I6Z/P/+qeliHbju6mGKYIKJJHs74TJSHfrHM6PGOuESnkgEfHWaagd7OSh1jdSrYQ7u/3L4IW6zW9LwDYgGppvc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=djA2zZcLl2CRL/rOqLa2IzumNpd3nYkvdcjqnv4+PPkrPO4H7t5B9S8+5MqlMMx2JPJUlVrXPNBeei4p31Vhioigln6roMYGqxKIHOjQZ/dCwOGMV0/k0UxnvyWBxkERCoDZsErlnOAXhFeq/rdP9sv3LI26hbZe0wGLylhhI8w= Message-ID: <9e0440a60711021640g2bd2800dh8aa148440294acdc@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2007 19:40:43 -0400 From: "Jim Goodin" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: New CD Release: Music Unfit for Children In-Reply-To: <00e101c81cf4$2537c8f0$0eaae40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/related; boundary="----=_Part_19956_32275318.1194046843854" References: <00e101c81cf4$2537c8f0$0eaae40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Resent-Message-ID: <4xa6C.A.B2.9V7KHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/75948 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2007 23:40:45 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_19956_32275318.1194046843854 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_19957_1559201.1194046843854" ------=_Part_19957_1559201.1194046843854 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Krispen continuing to echo my earlier note, excellent stuff! have had this streaming all day and really dig it, highly creative venture sir... Jim On 11/1/07, Krispen Hartung wrote: > > Here is my latest. I enjoyed making this CD more than any other in my > discography. It reminded me how much fun it is to be a kid again. :) > > "Forks on Lids" is probably my favorite, the only one with me playing > guitar. This image, also in the main CD page below, has a picture of all > the instruments used on the CD. > http://www.krispenhartung.com/music-unfit-for-children/tray-card.jpg > > Kris > > *Music Unfit for Children > *by Krispen, Tristan, & Kyra Hartung > Buy - http://kunaki.com/Sales.asp?PID=PX00ZQC8SO > Download MP3 version for free: http://www.box.net/shared/x5x8q492br > More info, pictures of artwork, etc: > http://www.krispenhartung.com/music-unfit-for-children/index.htm > > > > *Music Unfit for Children* is a Hartung family collaboration and > experimental collection of improvisational compositions. Each musical > composition is based on various children's toys, acoustic and foundsound > instruments, and processing by the notebook computer and Cycling 74's > Max/MSP. > > - Krispen Hartung - Mini electric guitar, Notebook computer, Cycling > 74 Max/MSP, Native Instruments Reaktor 5, vtech(R) Bright Lights toy phone, > Alphabet Pal(R) Caterpillar, Joe Rut Sound Machine, Craftsman(R) Toy Screwdriver > , Spinning Star Globe Wand > - Tristan Hartung - Nylon string acoustic guitar, fork on pot lid, > Electronic toothbrush, Voice > - Kyra Hartung - Fork on pot lid, Electronic toothbrush, Voice > > > *Song List* (linked to MP3s) > > Alphabet Pal > Bright Lights > Electronic Toothbrush Ensemble > Forks on Lids > Unprepared Guitar > > *Credits* > > - CD cover artwork by Tristan and Kyra Hartung (2 1/2 years old) > - CD production by Kunaki (www.kunaki.com) > - CD tray card photo by Krispen Hartung; inside sleeve photo of > Krispen by Mark Hamburg; inside sleeve photos of Tristan and Kyra by Carissa > Hartung > - Song credits and instrumentation: > - Alphabet Pal: > Krispen Hartung (Alphabet Pal(R) Caterpillar, laptop computer > processing via Max/MSP and Reaktor 5) > - Bright Lights: > Krispen Hartung (vtech(R) Bright Lights toy phone, laptop > computer processing via Max/MSP and Reaktor 5) > - Electronic Toothbrush Ensemble: > Tristan & Kyra Hartung (voice, electronic toothbrushes), Krispen Hartung > (the Joe Rut Sound Machine, laptop computer processing via Max/MSP and > Reaktor 5) > - Forks on Lids: > Tristan & Kyra Hartung (kitchen forks and pod lids, voice), Krispen Hartung > (mini electric guitar, laptop computer processing via Max/MSP and Reaktor 5) > - Unprepared Guitar: > Tristan Hartung (nylon string acoustic guitar), Krispen Hartung (laptop > computer processing via Max/MSP and Reaktor 5) > > > > -- The Acoustic World Guitar of Jim Goodin - http://www.jimgoodinmusic.com MySpace (solo) - http://www.myspace.com/jimgoodinmusic Chinapainting - http://www.chinapaintingmusic.com Chinapainting on My Space - http://www.myspace.com/chinapaintingmusic.com The Jim Goodin label and home for 7 other creative souls - http://www.woodandwiremusic.com Jim Goodin uses GHS Strings - http://www.ghsstrings.com and Seagull Guitars - http://www.seagullguitars.com, Jim Goodin is published by Mel Bay Publications, Inc. - http://www.melbay.com Associates and friends on the web - Daryl Shawn - http://www.swanwelder.com Adam Werner - http://www.adamwerner.com John Stowell - http://www.johnstowell.com Matt Richards - http://www.mattrichardsmusic.net Michael Manring - http://www.manthing.com Will Ackerman - http://www.williamackerman.com New Land Music - http://www.newlandmusic.com ------=_Part_19957_1559201.1194046843854 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline
    Krispen continuing to echo my earlier note, excellent stuff! have had this streaming all day and really dig it, highly creative venture sir...
     
    Jim

     
    On 11/1/07, Krispen Hartung <khartung@cableone.net> wrote:
    Here is my latest. I enjoyed making this CD more than any other in my discography. It reminded me how much fun it is to be a kid again. :)
     
    "Forks on Lids" is probably my favorite, the only one with me playing guitar.  This image, also in the main CD page below, has a picture of all the instruments used on the CD. http://www.krispenhartung.com/music-unfit-for-children/tray-card.jpg
     
    Kris 
     
    Music Unfit for Children
    by Krispen, Tristan, & Kyra Hartung
    Buy -     http://kunaki.com/Sales.asp?PID=PX00ZQC8SO
    Download MP3 version for free: http://www.box.net/shared/x5x8q492br
    More info, pictures of artwork, etc: http://www.krispenhartung.com/music-unfit-for-children/index.htm



    Music Unfit for Children is a Hartung family collaboration and experimental collection of improvisational compositions. Each musical composition is based on various children's toys, acoustic and foundsound instruments, and processing by the notebook computer and Cycling 74's Max/MSP.
    • Krispen Hartung - Mini electric guitar, Notebook computer, Cycling 74 Max/MSP, Native Instruments Reaktor 5, vtech® Bright Lights toy phone, Alphabet Pal® Caterpillar, Joe Rut Sound Machine, Craftsman® Toy Screwdriver , Spinning Star Globe Wand
    • Tristan Hartung - Nylon string acoustic guitar, fork on pot lid, Electronic toothbrush, Voice
    • Kyra Hartung - Fork on pot lid, Electronic toothbrush, Voice
     
    Song List (linked to MP3s)
     

    Credits

    • CD cover artwork by Tristan and Kyra Hartung (2 1/2 years old)
    • CD production by Kunaki (www.kunaki.com )
    • CD tray card photo by Krispen Hartung; inside sleeve photo of Krispen by Mark Hamburg; inside sleeve photos of Tristan and Kyra by Carissa Hartung
    • Song credits and instrumentation:
      • Alphabet Pal: Krispen Hartung (Alphabet Pal® Caterpillar, laptop computer processing via Max/MSP and Reaktor 5)
      • Bright Lights: Krispen Hartung ( vtech® Bright Lights toy phone, laptop computer processing via Max/MSP and Reaktor 5)
      • Electronic Toothbrush Ensemble : Tristan & Kyra Hartung (voice, electronic toothbrushes), Krispen Hartung (the Joe Rut Sound Machine, laptop computer processing via Max/MSP and Reaktor 5)
      • Forks on Lids: Tristan & Kyra Hartung (kitchen forks and pod lids, voice), Krispen Hartung (mini electric guitar, laptop computer processing via Max/MSP and Reaktor 5)
      • Unprepared Guitar: Tristan Hartung (nylon string acoustic guitar), Krispen Hartung (laptop computer processing via Max/MSP and Reaktor 5)



      --
      The Acoustic World Guitar of Jim Goodin  - http://www.jimgoodinmusic.com
      MySpace (solo) - http://www.myspace.com/jimgoodinmusic
      Chinapainting -
      http://www.chinapaintingmusic.com
      Chinapainting on My Space -
      http://www.myspace.com/chinapaintingmusic.com
      The Jim Goodin label and home for 7 other creative souls - http://www.woodandwiremusic.com
      Jim Goodin uses GHS Strings - http://www.ghsstrings.com and Seagull Guitars - http://www.seagullguitars.com, Jim Goodin is published by Mel Bay Publications, Inc. - http://www.melbay.com

      Associates and friends on the web -
      Daryl Shawn -
      http://www.swanwelder.com
      Adam Werner - http://www.adamwerner.com
      John Stowell - http://www.johnstowell.com
      Matt Richards - http://www.mattrichardsmusic.net
      Michael Manring - http://www.manthing.com
      Will Ackerman - http://www.williamackerman.com
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Your Cell phone and Fax numbers for easier communication From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 3 00:10:43 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 559653BED6; Sat, 3 Nov 2007 00:10:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <014a01c81dad$f87a6e20$52b4ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <380-220071152225242698@M2W041.mail2web.com> Subject: Re: new processor for Mac laptops, same price Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2007 18:10:40 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/75949 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2007 00:10:43 +0000 (UTC) If you can wait until the January macbook pro releases, you can get the third generation of the duo core...even faster than these. Kris ----- Original Message ----- FYI: MacBook (and Macbook pro) laptops released this week. more power same price. using Intel's new "Santa Rosa" chipset. Besides a better graphics card (the Intel GMA X3100 processor) and a faster front-side bus, the Santa-Rosa-equipped laptops will also support the latest, 802.11n Wi-Fi specification. The base model will get a slightly faster 2-Ghz Intel® CoreT2 Duo processor T7300, and mid- and upper-range models will get a 2.2-GHz chip, according to PC Magazine . Benchmarks show ~ 10% increase in performance. -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://link.mail2web.com/mail2web From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 3 00:23:39 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A0C123BED8; Sat, 3 Nov 2007 00:23:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <015b01c81daf$c7240cd0$52b4ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <20071102211625.093E83BED2@arsenic.violacea.com> Subject: Re: FlyLoops and electronic instruments Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2007 18:23:36 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="windows-1250"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/75950 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2007 00:23:39 +0000 (UTC) Got it. Thanks! This is a good start. So, if I were to create a simple list of functionality, which is all I was really after: Record Overdub/Stack (Boomerang like term?) Multiply Consolidate loops Rewrite (like Substitute in Mobius/EDP?) Loop save Next Loop (is this your A->B?) Audo-Fade Clear Loop Add (what is this?) Mute For the future, what about... Reverse Half Speed (pitch) Double Speed (pitch) Variable speed (via MIDI expression pedal) Scripts/Function Chaining (ability to chain functions together into a single button press) Rate change Random pitch change Random shuffle (randomly select windows of a loop and play in a sequence) VST hosting If you can build all this stuff into future releases, and if I can re-wire with Max so I can run FlyLoops as a standalone, taking the ouput of max/msp), then you may have a new customer. Kris ----- Original Message ----- Sure will .... I actually just sent a rather overly detailed list to Rainer too .... so let me resurrect that ... I'll edit it down a bit for yah. Second thought ..... No I won't ..... better idea is to let it stand, since others may have useful input on the flyloops/mobius comparison. By the way ... already got that degree ... and yes, it was mad fun .... one needs some relief from the dry engineering classes ... and philosophy is just the right stuff. So here is that email ...... ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: I am certainly no mobius expert .. so perhaps you can help me through this. Lets do this one item at a time: INTERFACE / INTERACTION : I know mobius can handle multiple loops in parallel, as can flyloops ... and I think the approaches we use are somewhat similar ... Screenshots: Flyloops - www.flyloops.com/screenshot.jpg Mobius - http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/zonemobius It looks like you can control various aspects of multiple loops at the same time from either program .... by this I mean hit a couple pedals and tell the program to turn certain loops on/off on the next repeat ... stack on a certain loop (but not the others) .... then maybe tweek a knob on a midi controller and change the volume or pan of one of your loops. INITIAL LOOP: Both flyloops and mobius (I think) get their timing from an intial recorded loop ... the "master". All others are synced to that, or not ... which brings us to ..... SYNCING: I am not sure what polyrythmic is on the looping comparison chart .. but I bet we have the same idea here. All loops in flyloops can be recorded as: - full sync - meaning start/stop recording only at the masters loop boundary .. so all loops start/stop with the master, and are a multiple of the master loops length - partial sync - start recording whenever I tap in, but when I tap out .. wait until the loop is some multiple of the masters length ... so all loops are a multiple of the length ... but will start/stop only at a particular offset to the master. - No sync - just start and stop when I tap ... so the loop can be any length, and will not sync to the master. I imagine it is the same in mobius .... ? MASTER: switch which loop is master .. I am sure that mobius does this. MIDI CONTROL: I think they are comparable with this ... both programs have a wide variety of functions that can be mapped to midi commands. TEMPO/PITCH SHIFT: I haven't programmed this yet... so currently there is no tempo or pitch shifting (there use to be, when I used DirectX .. you'll notice in one of the videos) ... but ASIO has no inherent support for this ... but this is top of the list of things to get done. TAP TEMPO: Mobius does this ... Flyloops will, once pitch/tempo shift is complete. VST: Mobius blows me out of the water here ... flyloops cannot run as a VST (yet). GROUP LOOPING: Can mobius specify which audio stream to record by device .. such as, when receiving a certain command ... I record only the left audio source (which happens to be, say, the drums) ... I sync it according to the sync setting ADD/ MULTIPLY/ OVERWRITE: same, I think STACK: Flyloops lets you stack on loops individually ... with whatever decay you wish ... I imagine mobius is the same. CONSOLIDATE: consolidate loops ... select three and make them one. I don’t know if mobius does this .... ? GROUPING: Specify that loops 1,2 and 4 are in group I .... loop 5 is in group II, and 3 isnt in a group .... then change the volume for group I ... or the pan on group II ..... or stutter the loops in group I .... I imagine mobius can do this ... ? EXTERNAL SYNCING: flyloops doesn't do this ... though once it is rewire compatible it should by able to sync to internal sources. And .... you could set up an external source to trigger the rec button ... so sync that way .... but you could NOT track to an external drum machine as you changed tempo for example. SAVING: Flyloops can save in two way .... first, export the loops as wav files. Also .. there is a record session button which records the performance ... it records to two files ... one which is live input (The solos being played) the other is flyloops output .. the loops (after volume, etc. adjustments). I don’t know if mobius does this second one ... but it's a easy thing to add if it doesn't. Woooosh ..... long email ... I gotta get some food. Did I miss anything? Write back with questions if yah got em'. Cheers Aaron Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.487 / Virus Database: 0.0.0/0 - Release Date: 12:00 AM From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 3 00:47:03 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A62403BED9; Sat, 3 Nov 2007 00:47:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <016a01c81db3$0c0e14a0$52b4ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <20071102211625.093E83BED2@arsenic.violacea.com> <015b01c81daf$c7240cd0$52b4ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Subject: Re: FlyLoops and electronic instruments Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2007 18:47:01 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="windows-1250"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/75951 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2007 00:47:03 +0000 (UTC) I forgot to ask. Can you select more than one loop track, or all, and record on all of them simultaneously? Kris > Got it. Thanks! This is a good start. So, if I were to create a simple > list of functionality, which is all I was really after: > > Record > Overdub/Stack (Boomerang like term?) > Multiply > Consolidate loops > Rewrite (like Substitute in Mobius/EDP?) > Loop save > Next Loop (is this your A->B?) > Audo-Fade > Clear Loop > Add (what is this?) > Mute > > For the future, what about... > > Reverse > Half Speed (pitch) > Double Speed (pitch) > Variable speed (via MIDI expression pedal) > Scripts/Function Chaining (ability to chain functions together into a > single button press) > Rate change > Random pitch change > Random shuffle (randomly select windows of a loop and play in a sequence) > VST hosting > > If you can build all this stuff into future releases, and if I can re-wire > with Max so I can run FlyLoops as a standalone, taking the ouput of > max/msp), then you may have a new customer. > > Kris From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 3 00:52:20 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C272D3BEDA; Sat, 3 Nov 2007 00:52:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <01a701c81db3$c8d59090$52b4ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <00e101c81cf4$2537c8f0$0eaae40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <9e0440a60711021640g2bd2800dh8aa148440294acdc@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: New CD Release: Music Unfit for Children Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2007 18:52:17 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/related; type="multipart/alternative"; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_01A3_01C81D81.7DC8AFB0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/75952 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2007 00:52:20 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_01A3_01C81D81.7DC8AFB0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_01A4_01C81D81.7DC8AFB0" ------=_NextPart_001_01A4_01C81D81.7DC8AFB0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thank you! Now the big question, when will my kids be old enough = (ability to behave in controlled situations) to take to Y2K? :) Rick, = one day you will have the Hartung Avant-Garde Looping Trio...at Y2K11? = We will all be hooked up to computers and max/msp. Krispen continuing to echo my earlier note, excellent stuff! have had = this streaming all day and really dig it, highly creative venture sir... Jim =20 On 11/1/07, Krispen Hartung wrote:=20 Here is my latest. I enjoyed making this CD more than any other in = my discography. It reminded me how much fun it is to be a kid again. :) "Forks on Lids" is probably my favorite, the only one with me = playing guitar. This image, also in the main CD page below, has a = picture of all the instruments used on the CD. = http://www.krispenhartung.com/music-unfit-for-children/tray-card.jpg Kris=20 Music Unfit for Children by Krispen, Tristan, & Kyra Hartung Buy - http://kunaki.com/Sales.asp?PID=3DPX00ZQC8SO Download MP3 version for free: http://www.box.net/shared/x5x8q492br=20 More info, pictures of artwork, etc: = http://www.krispenhartung.com/music-unfit-for-children/index.htm Music Unfit for Children is a Hartung family collaboration and = experimental collection of improvisational compositions. Each musical = composition is based on various children's toys, acoustic and foundsound = instruments, and processing by the notebook computer and Cycling 74's = Max/MSP.=20 a.. Krispen Hartung - Mini electric guitar, Notebook computer, = Cycling 74 Max/MSP, Native Instruments Reaktor 5, vtech=AE Bright Lights = toy phone, Alphabet Pal=AE Caterpillar, Joe Rut Sound Machine, = Craftsman=AE Toy Screwdriver , Spinning Star Globe Wand=20 b.. Tristan Hartung - Nylon string acoustic guitar, fork on pot = lid, Electronic toothbrush, Voice=20 c.. Kyra Hartung - Fork on pot lid, Electronic toothbrush, Voice Song List (linked to MP3s) Alphabet Pal Bright Lights Electronic Toothbrush Ensemble=20 Forks on Lids Unprepared Guitar Credits a.. CD cover artwork by Tristan and Kyra Hartung (2 1/2 years old) = b.. CD production by Kunaki (www.kunaki.com )=20 c.. CD tray card photo by Krispen Hartung; inside sleeve photo of = Krispen by Mark Hamburg; inside sleeve photos of Tristan and Kyra by = Carissa Hartung=20 d.. Song credits and instrumentation:=20 a.. Alphabet Pal: Krispen Hartung (Alphabet Pal=AE Caterpillar, = laptop computer processing via Max/MSP and Reaktor 5)=20 b.. Bright Lights: Krispen Hartung ( vtech=AE Bright Lights toy = phone, laptop computer processing via Max/MSP and Reaktor 5)=20 c.. Electronic Toothbrush Ensemble : Tristan & Kyra Hartung = (voice, electronic toothbrushes), Krispen Hartung (the Joe Rut Sound = Machine, laptop computer processing via Max/MSP and Reaktor 5)=20 d.. Forks on Lids: Tristan & Kyra Hartung (kitchen forks and pod = lids, voice), Krispen Hartung (mini electric guitar, laptop computer = processing via Max/MSP and Reaktor 5)=20 e.. Unprepared Guitar: Tristan Hartung (nylon string acoustic = guitar), Krispen Hartung (laptop computer processing via Max/MSP and = Reaktor 5)=20 --=20 The Acoustic World Guitar of Jim Goodin - = http://www.jimgoodinmusic.com MySpace (solo) - http://www.myspace.com/jimgoodinmusic Chinapainting - http://www.chinapaintingmusic.com Chinapainting on My Space - http://www.myspace.com/chinapaintingmusic.com The Jim Goodin label and home for 7 other creative souls - = http://www.woodandwiremusic.com=20 Jim Goodin uses GHS Strings - http://www.ghsstrings.com and Seagull = Guitars - http://www.seagullguitars.com, Jim Goodin is published by Mel = Bay Publications, Inc. - http://www.melbay.com Associates and friends on the web - Daryl Shawn - http://www.swanwelder.com Adam Werner - http://www.adamwerner.com=20 John Stowell - http://www.johnstowell.com Matt Richards - http://www.mattrichardsmusic.net Michael Manring - http://www.manthing.com Will Ackerman - http://www.williamackerman.com New Land Music - http://www.newlandmusic.com ------=_NextPart_001_01A4_01C81D81.7DC8AFB0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
      Thank you! Now the big question, when = will my kids=20 be old enough (ability to behave in controlled situations) to take = to Y2K?=20 :)  Rick, one day you will have the Hartung Avant-Garde Looping = Trio...at=20 Y2K11? We will all be hooked up to computers and max/msp.

       
      Krispen continuing to echo my earlier note, excellent stuff! = have=20 had this streaming all day and really dig it, highly creative venture=20 sir...
       
      Jim

       
      On 11/1/07, Krispen=20 Hartung <khartung@cableone.net>=20 wrote:=20
      Here is my latest. I enjoyed making = this CD=20 more than any other in my discography. It reminded me how much fun = it is to=20 be a kid again. :)
       
      "Forks on Lids" is probably my = favorite, the=20 only one with me playing guitar.  This image, also in the main = CD page=20 below, has a picture of all the instruments used on the CD. http://www.krispenhartung.com/music-unfit-for-children/tr= ay-card.jpg
       
      Kris 
       
      Music = Unfit for=20 Children
      by Krispen, Tristan, & Kyra = Hartung
      Buy -=20       http://kunaki.com/Sales.asp?PID=3DPX00ZQC8SO
      Download = MP3 version for free:=20 http://www.box.net/shared/x5x8q492br =
      More info, pictures of = artwork, etc: http://www.krispenhartung.com/music-unfit-for-children/in= dex.htm



      Music Unfit for=20 Children is a Hartung family collaboration and = experimental=20 collection of improvisational compositions. Each musical composition = is=20 based on various children's toys, acoustic and foundsound = instruments, and=20 processing by the notebook computer and Cycling 74's Max/MSP.=20
      • Krispen Hartung - Mini electric = guitar,=20 Notebook computer, Cycling 74 Max/MSP, Native Instruments Reaktor = 5,=20 vtech=AE Bright Lights toy phone, Alphabet Pal=AE Caterpillar, Joe = Rut Sound=20 Machine, Craftsman=AE Toy Screwdriver , Spinning Star Globe Wand =
      • Tristan Hartung - Nylon string = acoustic=20 guitar, fork on pot lid, Electronic toothbrush, Voice=20
      • Kyra Hartung - Fork on pot lid, = Electronic=20 toothbrush, Voice
       
      Song=20 List (linked to MP3s)
       
      Alphabet Pal
      Bright Lights
      Electronic Toothbrush Ensemble =
      Forks on Lids
      Unprepared Guitar

      Credits

      • CD cover artwork by Tristan = and Kyra=20 Hartung (2 1/2 years old)=20
      • CD production by Kunaki = (www.kunaki.com = )
      • CD tray card photo by = Krispen Hartung;=20 inside sleeve photo of Krispen by Mark Hamburg; inside sleeve = photos of=20 Tristan and Kyra by Carissa Hartung
      • Song credits and = instrumentation:=20
        • Alphabet = Pal: Krispen = Hartung (Alphabet=20 Pal=AE Caterpillar, laptop computer processing via Max/MSP and = Reaktor=20 5)
        • Bright = Lights: Krispen Hartung ( vtech=AE=20 Bright Lights toy phone, laptop computer processing via Max/MSP = and=20 Reaktor 5)
        • Electronic Toothbrush=20 Ensemble : Tristan & Kyra = Hartung=20 (voice, electronic toothbrushes), Krispen Hartung (the Joe Rut = Sound=20 Machine, laptop computer processing via Max/MSP and Reaktor 5)=20
        • Forks on Lids: Tristan & Kyra Hartung (kitchen forks and pod = lids,=20 voice), Krispen Hartung (mini electric guitar, laptop computer=20 processing via Max/MSP and Reaktor 5)
        • Unprepared = Guitar: Tristan Hartung (nylon string acoustic guitar), = Krispen=20 Hartung (laptop computer processing via Max/MSP and Reaktor 5)=20



        -- =
        The=20 Acoustic World Guitar of Jim Goodin  - http://www.jimgoodinmusic.com<= BR>MySpace=20 (solo) - http://www.myspace.com/jim= goodinmusic
        Chinapainting=20 -
        http://www.chinapaintingmusic.= com
        Chinapainting=20 on My Space -
        http://www.myspace= .com/chinapaintingmusic.com
        The=20 Jim Goodin label and home for 7 other creative souls - http://www.woodandwiremusic.com<= /A>=20
        Jim Goodin uses GHS Strings - http://www.ghsstrings.com and = Seagull=20 Guitars - http://www.seagullguitars.com,= Jim=20 Goodin is published by Mel Bay Publications, Inc. - http://www.melbay.com

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        John=20 Stowell - http://www.johnstowell.com
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MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Message-Id: <20071103005820.58AEA3BECA@arsenic.violacea.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/75953 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2007 00:58:20 +0000 (UTC) Here we go ....... - Record - Overdub/Stack (Boomerang like term?) .... yes - Multiply - Consolidate loops - Rewrite (like Substitute in Mobius/EDP?) ... I think so - Loop save - Next Loop (is this your A->B?) ** not exactly .. there is A->B, and there are also serial loops ... = here is the difference: A->B is a set of two loops, only one of which can play at any time (of course) ... but either of which plays in parallel to the master or other loops. ** a serial loop is a loop that when played will turn all others off = .... and play alone (it is it's own master and doesn't allow parallel loops). *** there can also be B side masters ... which is like a serial loop = that has some others in tandem ..... like a second bank of parallel loops. =20 - Audo-Fade - Clear Loop - Add (what is this?)- maybe append whould be a better term ... add = material to the end of a loop ... increasing its length .... - Mute For the future, what about... - Reverse - yeah .. no problem - Half Speed / Double Speed / Variable speed (via MIDI expression pedal) ** yes ... planning on adding a frequency shifter and then pitch and = tempo independently also. - Scripts/Function Chaining (ability to chain functions together into a = single button press) - already have this one actually ... - Rate change - what's this ? - Random pitch change - random ... nah - Random shuffle (randomly select windows of a loop and play in a = sequence) .... I dunno, maybe - VST hosting - yes ... or at least rewire capable (since then it could connect to samplers that run VSTs) .... this one is actually very = important to me since I want to sell my korg triton rack (anyone, anyone) ... and = use reason as my sampler .... If you can build all this stuff into future releases, and if I can = re-wire=20 with Max so I can run FlyLoops as a standalone, taking the ouput of=20 max/msp), then you may have a new customer. ---- Deal ---- Kris ----- Original Message -----=20 Sure will .... I actually just sent a rather overly detailed list to Rainer too .... = so let me resurrect that ... I'll edit it down a bit for yah. Second thought ..... No I won't ..... better idea is to let it stand, since others may have useful input on the flyloops/mobius comparison. By the way ... already got that degree ... and yes, it was mad fun .... = one needs some relief from the dry engineering classes ... and philosophy is just the right stuff. So here is that email ...... :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::= :: I am certainly no mobius expert .. so perhaps you can help me through = this. Lets do this one item at a time: INTERFACE / INTERACTION : I know mobius can handle multiple loops in parallel, as can flyloops ... = and I think the approaches we use are somewhat similar ... Screenshots: Flyloops - www.flyloops.com/screenshot.jpg Mobius - http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/zonemobius It looks like you can control various aspects of multiple loops at the = same time from either program .... by this I mean hit a couple pedals and = tell the program to turn certain loops on/off on the next repeat ... stack on = a certain loop (but not the others) .... then maybe tweek a knob on a midi controller and change the volume or pan of one of your loops. INITIAL LOOP: Both flyloops and mobius (I think) get their timing from an intial = recorded loop ... the "master". All others are synced to that, or not ... which brings us to ..... SYNCING: I am not sure what polyrythmic is on the looping comparison chart .. but = I bet we have the same idea here. All loops in flyloops can be recorded = as: - full sync - meaning start/stop recording only at the masters loop = boundary .. so all loops start/stop with the master, and are a multiple of the = master loops length - partial sync - start recording whenever I tap in, but when I tap out = .. wait until the loop is some multiple of the masters length ... so all = loops are a multiple of the length ... but will start/stop only at a = particular offset to the master. - No sync - just start and stop when I tap ... so the loop can be any length, and will not sync to the master. I imagine it is the same in mobius .... ? MASTER: switch which loop is master .. I am sure that mobius does this. MIDI CONTROL: I think they are comparable with this ... both programs have a wide = variety of functions that can be mapped to midi commands. TEMPO/PITCH SHIFT: I haven't programmed this yet... so currently there is no tempo or pitch shifting (there use to be, when I used DirectX .. you'll notice in one = of the videos) ... but ASIO has no inherent support for this ... but this = is top of the list of things to get done. TAP TEMPO: Mobius does this ... Flyloops will, once pitch/tempo shift is complete. VST: Mobius blows me out of the water here ... flyloops cannot run as a VST (yet). GROUP LOOPING: Can mobius specify which audio stream to record by device .. such as, = when receiving a certain command ... I record only the left audio source = (which happens to be, say, the drums) ... I sync it according to the sync = setting ADD/ MULTIPLY/ OVERWRITE: same, I think STACK: Flyloops lets you stack on loops individually ... with whatever decay you wish ... I imagine mobius is the same. CONSOLIDATE: consolidate loops ... select three and make them one. I = don=92t know if mobius does this .... ? GROUPING: Specify that loops 1,2 and 4 are in group I .... loop 5 is in group II, = and 3 isnt in a group .... then change the volume for group I ... or the pan = on group II ..... or stutter the loops in group I .... I imagine mobius can do this ... ? EXTERNAL SYNCING: flyloops doesn't do this ... though once it is rewire compatible it = should by able to sync to internal sources. And .... you could set up an = external source to trigger the rec button ... so sync that way .... but you could = NOT track to an external drum machine as you changed tempo for example. SAVING: Flyloops can save in two way .... first, export the loops as wav files. Also .. there is a record session button which records the performance = ... it records to two files ... one which is live input (The solos being = played) the other is flyloops output .. the loops (after volume, etc. = adjustments). I don=92t know if mobius does this second one ... but it's a easy thing = to add if it doesn't. Woooosh ..... long email ... I gotta get some food. Did I miss anything? Write back with questions if yah got em'. Cheers Aaron Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.487 / Virus Database: 0.0.0/0 - Release Date: = 12:00 AM Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Free Edition.=20 Version: 7.5.487 / Virus Database: 0.0.0/0 - Release Date: = 12:00 AM =20 Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Free Edition.=20 Version: 7.5.487 / Virus Database: 0.0.0/0 - Release Date: = 12:00 AM =20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 3 01:32:10 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DC3C63BEC5; Sat, 3 Nov 2007 01:32:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: AW: New CD Release: Music Unfit for Children Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2007 02:32:38 +0100 Organization: Moinlabs Message-ID: <000901c81db9$6b590310$1001a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <01a701c81db3$c8d59090$52b4ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Thread-Index: Acgds8regxjf4BoXTv2mJZDYW0p2YQABWCIg X-RZG-AUTH: lUESeo99iNzPL8kuBgLYdKEqUywq9cxqeRA+BtFcSCD5deQ7OIWABpUdK2g= X-RZG-CLASS-ID: mo07 Resent-Message-ID: <7vHmTC.A.jmF.a-8KHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/75954 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2007 01:32:10 +0000 (UTC) Krispen said, planning future appearances: > Rick, one day you will have the Hartung Avant-Garde Looping Trio...at Y2K11? We will all be hooked up to computers and max/msp. How do you know that? It might very well be possible that Tristan uses a time lag accumulator, while Kyra writes audio processing software in assembly language running on a cell phone... Rainer From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 3 01:42:12 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 039723BED2; Sat, 3 Nov 2007 01:42:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Qua Veda" To: References: <015b01c81daf$c7240cd0$52b4ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <20071103005820.58AEA3BECA@arsenic.violacea.com> In-Reply-To: <20071103005820.58AEA3BECA@arsenic.violacea.com> Subject: RE: FlyLoops and electronic instruments Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2007 18:42:07 -0700 Message-ID: <004d01c81dba$c03ced00$40b6c700$@com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: Acgdr8wNIDsv5Ew0Q4qn4319I1ElhAAAso8gAAH8XrA= Content-Language: en-us X-RBL-Warning: REVDNS: This E-mail was sent from a MUA/MTA 206.212.233.27 with no reverse DNS entry. X-Declude-Sender: qua@oregon.com [206.212.233.27] X-Declude-Spoolname: Dd445026f00000b21.smd X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude JunkMail (www.declude.com) for spam. Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/75955 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2007 01:42:11 +0000 (UTC) Hi Aaron, In case this isn't already covered by Kris's requirements... What about Feedback adjustment for each track, and maybe Volume for each track, so that these parameters could be controlled via midi. -Qua From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 3 01:44:53 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 010553BED2; Sat, 3 Nov 2007 01:44:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Qua Veda" To: References: <380-220071152225242698@M2W041.mail2web.com> <014a01c81dad$f87a6e20$52b4ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> In-Reply-To: <014a01c81dad$f87a6e20$52b4ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Subject: RE: new processor for Mac laptops, same price Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2007 18:44:46 -0700 Message-ID: <004e01c81dbb$221a06c0$664e1440$@com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: Acgdr2Mm4eFqgvLhTICOHPnfAVdu6gAC2NYg Content-Language: en-us X-RBL-Warning: REVDNS: This E-mail was sent from a MUA/MTA 206.212.233.27 with no reverse DNS entry. X-Declude-Sender: qua@oregon.com [206.212.233.27] X-Declude-Spoolname: Dd4e9023100000be3.smd X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude JunkMail (www.declude.com) for spam. Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/75956 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2007 01:44:52 +0000 (UTC) Also, early next year (I've been told), solid-state hard drives will be available in high-end laptops like Alienware. This should have very high performance and weigh less, maybe use less power. And quad-core processors may also be available for laptops in '08. Start saving $ now... ;-) -Qua -----Original Message----- From: Krispen Hartung [mailto:khartung@cableone.net] Sent: Friday, November 02, 2007 5:11 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: new processor for Mac laptops, same price If you can wait until the January macbook pro releases, you can get the third generation of the duo core...even faster than these. Kris ----- Original Message ----- FYI: MacBook (and Macbook pro) laptops released this week. more power same price. using Intel's new "Santa Rosa" chipset. Besides a better graphics card (the Intel GMA X3100 processor) and a faster front-side bus, the Santa-Rosa-equipped laptops will also support the latest, 802.11n Wi-Fi specification. The base model will get a slightly faster 2-Ghz IntelR CoreT2 Duo processor T7300, and mid- and upper-range models will get a 2.2-GHz chip, according to PC Magazine . Benchmarks show ~ 10% increase in performance. -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://link.mail2web.com/mail2web From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 3 02:21:37 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 85D9D3BECF; Sat, 3 Nov 2007 02:21:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <20071102222134.nx3hgcpjfosk8wgw@www.wightman.ca> Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2007 22:21:34 -0400 From: phaslem@wightman.ca To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Graphtech installation was AXON AX 100 References: <20071101142958.js0fbex1ds0ccgcc@www.wightman.ca> <641CEFFC7E5B6C42AB59539653FD08238E2E8A@wcu-ex-emp2.PASSHE.LCL> In-Reply-To: <641CEFFC7E5B6C42AB59539653FD08238E2E8A@wcu-ex-emp2.PASSHE.LCL> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.3) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/75957 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2007 02:21:37 +0000 (UTC) I'm away performing right now but I can address those thoughts when I =20 get home on Sunday. Regards, Paul Quoting "Dean, Hal" : > Paul, I've seen discussions on the midiguitar forum to the effect that > the Graphtech connection are (or maybe WERE) tenuous, and that hotgluing > them was in order so that they didn't come loose while you're playing in > a less than genteel manner. Could you comment on that? > > Also, I'm interested in how you have signal leaving the guitar. The > wiring can be done so that mag pickups signal, piezo signal, and the > output from the hexpander module all ride on the 13-pin cable... but > that seems likely to be a tonesucker to me, and is an issue that Richard > McClish alerted me to via a discussion with John Buscarino, a luthier > who made Richard's guitar. I'm inclined to keep the 13-pin cable > restricted to the hexpander output and leave the pickups signals > traveling on either a Y-cable, or separately on 1/4" cables. Your > thoughts on this would be most welcome. > > Hal Dean > > -----Original Message----- > From: phaslem@wightman.ca [mailto:phaslem@wightman.ca] > Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2007 2:30 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Graphtech installation was AXON AX 100 > > I looked at both systems, the RMC system is more geared to an acoustic > type of installation, where as the Graphtech is more like the familiar > saddles that you use on any electric guitar. The RMC is a much more > complicated installation and I would only recommend a compentent > technician do that installation. > > The Graphtech system is very modular with a minimal amount of soldering. > You do have to comfortable enough with wood working to route out spaces > in the back of the guitar and drill holes for the wires from the saddles > and controls, but all that is pretty basic stuff and reachable by anyone > comfortable with cutting holes in their instrument. The system is very > like putting together a computer as every control and even the saddles > just plug directly into the circut board. I did mine on one Sunday > afternoon (that was the Parker p44 installation). If you're interested I > could take some pictures of the insides of my guitars that I've > installed the system in so that you can see what it looks like. > > best of luck with it, > > Paul haslem > www.dulcify.ca > > >> >> Hey Paul, >> Just curious,who installed it for you? i tried finding somebody in >> california who would install the Graphtech or RMC system on my >> fernandes sustainer but they all seemed to shy away from doing it.Ive >> also havent found anybody here in germany yet who would do it if >> anybody has a link id aprreciate it! >> cheers >> Luis >> > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 3 02:39:05 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D37723BEB9; Sat, 3 Nov 2007 02:39:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "Aaron Leese" To: Subject: RE: FlyLoops and electronic instruments Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2007 19:38:48 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1250" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Thread-Index: Acgdr8wNIDsv5Ew0Q4qn4319I1ElhAAAso8gAAH8XrAAAgSdIA== In-Reply-To: <004d01c81dba$c03ced00$40b6c700$@com> Message-Id: <20071103023904.C1F453BEB8@arsenic.violacea.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/75958 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2007 02:39:05 +0000 (UTC) Already does that ..... -----Original Message----- From: Qua Veda [mailto:qua@oregon.com] Sent: Friday, November 02, 2007 6:42 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: FlyLoops and electronic instruments Hi Aaron, In case this isn't already covered by Kris's requirements... What about Feedback adjustment for each track, and maybe Volume for each track, so that these parameters could be controlled via midi. -Qua Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.487 / Virus Database: 0.0.0/0 - Release Date: 12:00 AM Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.487 / Virus Database: 0.0.0/0 - Release Date: 12:00 AM From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 3 02:42:33 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8AFB43BECF; Sat, 3 Nov 2007 02:42:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "Aaron Leese" To: Subject: RE: FlyLoops and electronic instruments Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2007 19:42:16 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1250" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Thread-Index: AcgdsxDnqeG+BGI2QpeRLbOXJvDlogAD6I8g In-Reply-To: <016a01c81db3$0c0e14a0$52b4ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Message-Id: <20071103024230.DA5E93BEB8@arsenic.violacea.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/75959 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2007 02:42:33 +0000 (UTC) Yeah. Personally, I like to make one loop that is twice as long as another, then stack on both of them at the same time with a decay rate .... this way if you play a two measure lick it gets recorded to the 2 measure loop ... but each segment of it gets recorded and overlapped over itself on the 1 measure loop .... and they both decay. Of course, if you then turn stack off on the longer of the two ... you get the lick ... and the double repetition fades off the top of it ... if that makes any sense. -----Original Message----- From: Krispen Hartung [mailto:khartung@cableone.net] Sent: Friday, November 02, 2007 5:47 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: FlyLoops and electronic instruments I forgot to ask. Can you select more than one loop track, or all, and record on all of them simultaneously? Kris > Got it. Thanks! This is a good start. So, if I were to create a simple > list of functionality, which is all I was really after: > > Record > Overdub/Stack (Boomerang like term?) > Multiply > Consolidate loops > Rewrite (like Substitute in Mobius/EDP?) > Loop save > Next Loop (is this your A->B?) > Audo-Fade > Clear Loop > Add (what is this?) > Mute > > For the future, what about... > > Reverse > Half Speed (pitch) > Double Speed (pitch) > Variable speed (via MIDI expression pedal) > Scripts/Function Chaining (ability to chain functions together into a > single button press) > Rate change > Random pitch change > Random shuffle (randomly select windows of a loop and play in a sequence) > VST hosting > > If you can build all this stuff into future releases, and if I can re-wire > with Max so I can run FlyLoops as a standalone, taking the ouput of > max/msp), then you may have a new customer. > > Kris Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.487 / Virus Database: 0.0.0/0 - Release Date: 12:00 AM Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.487 / Virus Database: 0.0.0/0 - Release Date: 12:00 AM From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 3 02:55:35 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C96043BEB8; Sat, 3 Nov 2007 02:55:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <01b801c81dc5$00bcb8b0$52b4ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <20071103005820.58AEA3BECA@arsenic.violacea.com> Subject: Re: FlyLoops and electronic instruments Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2007 20:55:33 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="windows-1250"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/75960 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2007 02:55:35 +0000 (UTC) - Next Loop (is this your A->B?) ** not exactly .. there is A->B, and there are also serial loops ... here is the difference: A->B is a set of two loops, only one of which can play at any time (of course) ... but either of which plays in parallel to the master or other loops. ** a serial loop is a loop that when played will turn all others off .... and play alone (it is it's own master and doesn't allow parallel loops). *** there can also be B side masters ... which is like a serial loop that has some others in tandem ..... like a second bank of parallel loops. I'm not sure I understand. Can you describe a practical application of your A->B function? - Add (what is this?)- maybe append whould be a better term ... add material to the end of a loop ... increasing its length .... Cool, so not like Multiply which extends the original length of the loop, but while overdubbing new material over the top. For the future, what about... - Reverse - yeah .. no problem - Half Speed / Double Speed / Variable speed (via MIDI expression pedal) ** yes ... planning on adding a frequency shifter and then pitch and tempo independently also. Wonderful! - Scripts/Function Chaining (ability to chain functions together into a single button press) - already have this one actually ... Nice. - Rate change - what's this ? I don't use it, but I think you change pitch without changing speed? Someone else can describe. Mobius has it, I believe. - Random pitch change - random ... nah Yeah, that is getting experimental. Limited user need here. - Random shuffle (randomly select windows of a loop and play in a sequence) .... I dunno, maybe Ditto my above comment. - VST hosting - yes ... or at least rewire capable (since then it could connect to samplers that run VSTs) .... this one is actually very important to me since I want to sell my korg triton rack (anyone, anyone) ... and use reason as my sampler .... That's cool. The only reason why I ask, is that some loopers run reverb after their looper, as a finishing effect, and so that reverb trails are not cut off. So, if I used max/msp for all my effects, and then ran into FlyLoops, I would need a way to add Reverb in FlyLoops. Thanks for responding to all my questions. :) Kris From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 3 02:56:30 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F296A3BEB8; Sat, 3 Nov 2007 02:56:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <01bf01c81dc5$2150b7c0$52b4ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <000901c81db9$6b590310$1001a8c0@succubus> Subject: Re: New CD Release: Music Unfit for Children Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2007 20:56:27 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/75961 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2007 02:56:29 +0000 (UTC) ----- Original Message ----- > Krispen said, planning future appearances: > >> Rick, one day you will have the Hartung Avant-Garde Looping Trio...at > Y2K11? We will all be hooked up to computers and max/msp. > > How do you know that? It might very well be possible that Tristan uses a > time lag accumulator, while Kyra writes audio processing software in > assembly language running on a cell phone... > > Rainer One can only wish. :) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 3 05:31:28 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3D2F23BECF; Sat, 3 Nov 2007 05:31:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "Aaron Leese" To: Subject: RE: FlyLoops and electronic instruments Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2007 22:31:11 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1250" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Thread-Index: AcgdxQWdPu9dUp+LQWaCBYlDLBdMowAEgGsg In-Reply-To: <01b801c81dc5$00bcb8b0$52b4ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Message-Id: <20071103053126.650323BEB8@arsenic.violacea.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/75962 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2007 05:31:28 +0000 (UTC) Sounds like we understand each other pretty well .... here is a = breakdown of A->B vs. Serial loops .... Suppose you have a bank of loops ........... say we record three .... 1 2 3 4 5 =09 A A A - - So that=92s three loops ... in slots 1,2,3 ... Now, lets say that 1 and 3 are quick little drum rhythms ... But 2 is a verse lick ..... but the song has a chorus riff too ..... So I hit the A-B button on loop 2 ..... the drums keep playing and I record the chorus riff ..... =09 1 2 3 4 5=09 A B A - - loops 1 and 3 are still playing with but I have turned 2A off and = replaced it with a newly record 2B (chorus lick). Hit A-B again and I go back to the verse riff .... drums remain the same = 1 2 3 4 5 =09 A A A - - Aha .... but there is a problem!! See this song is kinda weird and has = a bridge part that doesn't conform to the same rhythm ... it suddenly = changes to 3/4 ...... so I need to drop the rhythm tracks and record a new part = with it's own timing. Now I could do this by turning everything off ... and hitting record on = an unsynced loop at the same time .... but I want to be able to smoothly transition to from this bridge loop ..... This is where serial record is handy. I turn on serial recording, and = hit the record button on loop 5 .... the program waits until the next master repeat boundary and then turns all the loops off and begins recording on track 5. Once I've finished recording the serial loop I have .... 1 2 3 4 5 =09 -a -a -a - S The three little -a's are to indicate that there are loops there but = they are not playing ...... When I want to go back to the bank of parallel loops I just tap any of = them, and the program transitions from playing the serial loop back to playing = the three parallel loops .... and turns the serial off ..... Make sense ? Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Free Edition.=20 Version: 7.5.487 / Virus Database: 0.0.0/0 - Release Date: = 12:00 AM =20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 3 12:25:19 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7C6E03BEC5; Sat, 3 Nov 2007 12:25:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 624175357-mk-filter-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com-B2C-$THROTTLED-DYNAMIC-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 79.74.238.25 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Aq4HAPMFLEdPSu4Z/2dsb2JhbACCKo4SlRU Message-ID: <472C68DB.9040508@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Sat, 03 Nov 2007 12:26:03 +0000 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: square waves (as VST) References: <002201c81bfa$f89f69f0$e9de3dd0$@com> <4729FCB0.5070900@tiscali.co.uk> <4F84BF45-BBD7-4810-BD43-B8DF6B03F7F1@sonic.net> <472A3C81.1010004@tiscali.co.uk> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/75963 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2007 12:25:19 +0000 (UTC) Mark Landman wrote: > Hi Andy- > > I'd be interested, like probably many others, the devil of course is > always in the details, how good does it sound, what features does it > offer, etc. > > A VST like my old Prime Time II with a little more memory would be > useful enough to justify yet another delay plug-in, I think. > > Keep us advised! > > Mark > On Nov 1, 2007, at 1:52 PM, andy butler wrote: > >> hi Mark, >> ;-) >> hint, >> the reason I'm asking the question is that I already worked out how >> to get a vst delay to act as if it had a modulated oscillator. >> >> >> >> ...would you actually want to purchase a vst plug with those >> capabilities? >> > > Hi Mark (and others) Please feel free to imagine any features you'd like. I'll be listening ( and no doubt other developers who are on the this list) So far I just have an experimental plug with the following controls 1) Delay Input Volume 2) Delay Time ( customiseable) 3) Feedback (0-100%) 4) Modulation Speed 5) Modulation Depth 6) Delay Volume Out 7) Dry Volume Out Delay time is very easy to re-program to any max value, and then is continuously variable by a factor of ten. At the moment though, I didn't put in a switch for delay range. At the moment it has a max delay of 1s and a min of 0.1s, but could be made to any delay that the pc could cope with. Modulation is at the moment by sine wave. The idea of the experiment was to make a plug which would allow you to capture a short loop (using Input and then vary the playback speed over a large range, just like you could with some of those old digi-delay stomp boxes( except that the range is greater). Sound quality pretty much the same coming out as going in, with the exception that pitching a sound upwards by a lot may produce a few digital artefacts. (this is something that I'll work on). I've compared the PSP42 delay, but that has a sound which is deliberately lo-fi with artefacts, even with no shifting. I hadn't imagined that there would be much demand for "another delay plug" so I considered this project just to be something of a curiosity. It has a 'Mathons' logo on the (provisional)graphic, so I'd need to discuss with Matthias Grob before and release of the plug. (it's all my own work though) ..oh, and right now it's pc only, but shouldn't be a problem to "mac" it. andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 3 12:57:51 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 158A33BECF; Sat, 3 Nov 2007 12:57:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <472C7021.9090301@post.cybercity.dk> Date: Sat, 03 Nov 2007 13:57:05 +0100 From: van Sinn Reply-To: vansinn@post.cybercity.dk Organization: van Sinn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Need time sync explained References: <472B6C80.8030207@post.cybercity.dk> <00D88560-BFB0-419D-8B67-3960CDA8865D@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <00D88560-BFB0-419D-8B67-3960CDA8865D@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <6DPLtD.A.vi.OBHLHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/75964 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2007 12:57:50 +0000 (UTC) Per Boysen wrote: > On Nov 2, 2007, at 19:29, van Sinn wrote: > >> I may go for a HW looper, but drift more'n'more towards a SW solution >> on a labmactop, probably as a pluging, to integrate with Logic's >> MainStage. >> >> So, how to sync? sensors on the drum kit into.. something generating >> MIDI sync info? > > > My advice is to sync manually by either tempo tapping a pedal or using > a pedal button that restarts all loops instantly. I give this advice > because a "restart/trigger all loops" kick button works better for me > compared to other methods I have used with Electrixpro Repeater, Gibson > Echoplex, Ableton Live and Mobius. That I don't understand, of cause, based on lack on experience. For 'fixed' synchopatics music, it makes sense; for progressive styles with changing patterns, I'd think linking to drums would be better. Then again, if percussion isn't at a steady rate, I do see poblems.. I'm sure you have your reasons, though.. > I too like MainStage a lot, but I still use Logic for looping virtual I attended a Logic Studio demo/workshop a few weeks ago, and Erik Metall (great name for a musician, sweedish, know him?) referred to looping in Logic as less usable, so I'm a Bit surprised on your take here.. > MIDI instruments. I make this choice because I like using some > functions I have built in the Environment, like different arpeggio > lines and a tuned/intelligent chord creator (the Chord Memorizer > object, for those who know Logic). However, If I should have been > playing guitar only, I would go with MainStage right away. My plan (for later implementation) is having a MIDI/USB organ-style floor keyboard for playing stacked-up key/synth/organ's in MainStage while doing my guitar stuff. Planning to run this from a Mac lappie makes for good reasons considering a SW-based looper. If my planned setup moves on, I imagine needing to switch between looping the guitar parts only, and occationally also sampling both guitar and the MainStage stack. For the latter reason I'd expect a plugin looper a better choise. I have no idea as yet about how sharing I/O lines on a 4 in, 4 out audio IFC between Logic and a either a standalone og plugin looper app will work; maybe I'm just seeing imaginary ghosts ;) -- rgds, van Sinn From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 3 13:24:04 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4EFB13BED6; Sat, 3 Nov 2007 13:24:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 1144 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Sat, 03 Nov 2007 13:24:03 UTC DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; bh=fjRVPvt6didxTEpwODFora3SEW4aqLDSOrKE9FYAN1c=; b=l2kuJPQMzW82fXbfYDSN6B+NbswOdcjpf+LexqYaODCzrnlpoAkCbMZTS7oAgYVep0blshGU+nk4Ah0Aq9FAXqN+H1LwkK5t8ioSgED+woRwaPNLBZWkVzWUwbjPjOElX3bNOE7EgdDRuXindYIxSKRHc4Tb2whvshByRtVBqU4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=qY2Ak9cyXY0pFe5dm4WtvwI8nTzSzhyxUf7n+XPeAfU5bqMtUyNyU52+yXVF7WWgmP9wF2mad6EkuJzXNZ0mH7hCrUF593sItx547s0Z95G2iNoy5ah4g4GGkeK125pzZmu+0QfiQ1tzkH/TRs8Q/XWuA+gp5sPtI3SyjBSMe04= Message-ID: Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2007 08:58:47 -0400 From: "Dennis Moser" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Robert Fripp and LoCG Sighting MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_2926_20340256.1194094727544" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/75965 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2007 13:24:04 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_2926_20340256.1194094727544 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Just a quick note: Robert Fripp and the League of Crafty Guitarists performed in Fall Rover, Massachusetts, last night. I was expecting an all LoCG performance but Mr. Fripp graced us with some of the beautiful soundscape materials as well. My wife and I literally sat at the edge of the stage (about 8 inches away; when the group did their final encore and the entire audience was on its' feet, Fripp leaned over and whispered that she and I might want to be sitting down for it ... lol), so I have fairly complete notes on the hardware and will post later today . No photos or recordings (they were VERY adamant about cameras and cell phones). Absod*mnlutely amazing ... Dennis ------=_Part_2926_20340256.1194094727544 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Just a quick note: Robert Fripp and the League of Crafty Guitarists performed in Fall Rover, Massachusetts, last night. I was expecting an all LoCG performance but Mr. Fripp graced us with some of the beautiful soundscape materials as well.

        My wife and I literally sat at the edge of the stage (about 8 inches away; when the group did their final encore and the entire audience was on its' feet, Fripp leaned over and whispered that she and I might want to be sitting down for it ... lol), so I have fairly complete notes on the hardware and will post later today . No photos or recordings (they were VERY adamant about cameras and cell phones).

        Absod*mnlutely amazing ...

        Dennis
        ------=_Part_2926_20340256.1194094727544-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 3 13:47:10 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5028E3BEE4; Sat, 3 Nov 2007 13:47:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Michael Peters" To: "Loopers Delight" Subject: EFC7 footswitches in Europe Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2007 14:47:06 +0100 Message-ID: <004701c81e20$0603acb0$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Thread-Index: AcgeIAWRKjhjAXp4Rz6MmdkQzAwspA== Resent-Message-ID: <_7fE-C.A.UbC.dvHLHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/75966 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2007 13:47:10 +0000 (UTC) my Echoplex foot controller switches need to be replaced. Is there anyone who sells these switches in Europe (Germany)? -Michael From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 3 14:18:23 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3CBC03BEDA; Sat, 3 Nov 2007 14:18:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer:sender; bh=CwNKH9pi4RkfTeDiqYJ0Rc17ljdg0on1/P4rBuCbydY=; b=uQjDaEr/8FZ9RzUkXVjS7SyFiVDwuYf2cQT05LsLjNmxaXtJ3+7QZiuMqVOu5yhkBpRWAHxlz7RCpKfQfedouRZ/RkOIqRDHelXwczXm1W/NBMqeDVY7EREDnakhXH+2K9T7FbHH4TdUgsFUXgTrr5w/b+FjDGJVaGezU6a2ZFE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:mime-version:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer:sender; b=ak8Q+1iYnWBC9jCaB1dtP4R/UcMK5tE8FjhOOIY8JnI/cIkIEPz3VqbnlztwUcmmnQmSsSaRhrCj9X25UFrcGBvmrTUJzllH6wCSf0JgZsIDVwOO6z9EqrIuI/7ipSV11TxARUCXDA03dlSnNKbLVzdGUfyg3LJYYfQh/Djsv1E= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <9BF782FC-EA33-41D2-AA06-598DB95E5CFF@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Fwd: Need time sync explained Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2007 15:18:16 +0100 To: Loopers X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Sender: Per Boysen Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/75967 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2007 14:18:23 +0000 (UTC) On 3 nov 2007, at 13.57, van Sinn wrote: > That I don't understand, of cause, based on lack on experience. > For 'fixed' synchopatics music, it makes sense; for progressive > styles with changing patterns, I'd think linking to drums would be > better. > Then again, if percussion isn't at a steady rate, I do see poblems.. > I'm sure you have your reasons, though.. I prefer manual syncing because I find it more musical. That is, you can always instantly follow anyone that happens to play "the wrong" arrangement of the song. Even if the tempo changes you can still make your loops sound good by re-triggering them halfway through or maybe only using the first few beats of the loops. >> I too like MainStage a lot, but I still use Logic for looping virtual > > I attended a Logic Studio demo/workshop a few weeks ago, and Erik > Metall (great name for a musician, sweedish, know him?) referred to > looping in Logic as less usable, so I'm a Bit surprised on your > take here.. I didn't mean that I run the looping in Logic (even though I think a couple of Tape Delay plug-ins controlled from a MIDI foot board is a nice looper inside Logic, although only permitting a half bar loop length). I only use Logic as "the sound module" (for guitar, wind instruments and software MIDI driven instruments played by an EWI) and as an arpeggiator and key following chord creator for MIDI instruments. All my looping I do on a second laptop, connected by ADAT and MIDI, that runs the software looper Mobius. My reason for this dual laptop setup is that I have not been able to find a software looper for OS X that can compete with Mobius, that unfortunately runs only under Windows. The looping laptop, with Mobius, is the sync master and sends MIDI clock into Logic 7 on the Mac. I stick with Logic 7 because Logic 8 has dropped MIDI Clock slaving. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 3 14:19:43 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0D69D3BEE8; Sat, 3 Nov 2007 14:19:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; bh=RcRNn3c/3CRzQ+ORpvAzl9wfcdRlE1fVjLk2zZg7Sh4=; b=SMXYqUfybWPoRVFGfkEkvnO09upLhtAU26pueyKT9V/Uq4tI46v3WQDXow/VkgpDlauhdg5Z1M6bl6jBDBKusDENYvI4I9E3roghAmoJBFtcv/l59xue7q3HR/XxFW0NZjC1sQA2NcAdQdyBf3CUs1mz+zz8iWx1uMBBiyO+FPc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:mime-version:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=BfET9CrCm7KEC5aPnbgP61xOHat1dZFg+XwyHIx3niDWD0gcpLpZRV2UXEtyDFw+iEIlrUFUein3g5uRcSWKI6MUx1WUJiVQaH68zxGFbUmTQ67nw+3ov8QWfRssbznqSZGHLiCcVx1wtVNSWGS2NFd1eWkZCvwiVW9gmC+9zzs= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Fwd: FlyLoops and electronic instruments Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2007 15:19:37 +0100 To: Loopers X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/75968 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2007 14:19:43 +0000 (UTC) On 2 nov 2007, at 22.16, Aaron Leese wrote: > > Sure will .... > > I actually just sent a rather overly detailed list to Rainer > too .... so > let me resurrect that ... I'll edit it down a bit for yah. Thank you for posting all that information. I have been reading the FlyLoops web site without finding out that much, so it's really appreciated! One thing I still haven't figured out is which OS does FlyLoops run under? I'm particularly looking for a good OS X looper, as I guess many other musicians are. > > I am certainly no mobius expert There's a good manual at the Mobius web site that explains it well. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 3 14:20:45 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8EC933BEF0; Sat, 3 Nov 2007 14:20:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; bh=CwNKH9pi4RkfTeDiqYJ0Rc17ljdg0on1/P4rBuCbydY=; b=a15XJOgRE/pge9IOJu8QixMx6zNcqJ13cOorAtZnFIzvVlA+6c68L7/S6sTdH0iLm0UVoAzy+wlU9DwB0tU+zpvw5x4bkDLTw97a0frcjXrMQimib7boe817jC9Mhqqlrhk67mRfztGT/A3AmJjLmospdnWT6HYwXqySz2hnkoI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:mime-version:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=ra3gS1YGvD9TCmV1zQTCuzP59i8dcAkPxgCmdZKiLOqMHmD3Dj13XdxEydlygfvv0x3Nawey3TK/IUiNnlYKsFijIwFoj2RSbXWngYTaUgrJ1KANTossROKHlR6brf7TbfT+zpoPt/3wLzkgmeCVKE6LeEPvCJcBDQzXpmU1qPg= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) References: <9BF782FC-EA33-41D2-AA06-598DB95E5CFF@boysen.se> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <3147008D-2BD9-49D4-9222-752824475FF1@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Fwd: Need time sync explained Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2007 15:20:41 +0100 To: Loopers X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/75969 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2007 14:20:45 +0000 (UTC) On 3 nov 2007, at 13.57, van Sinn wrote: > That I don't understand, of cause, based on lack on experience. > For 'fixed' synchopatics music, it makes sense; for progressive > styles with changing patterns, I'd think linking to drums would be > better. > Then again, if percussion isn't at a steady rate, I do see poblems.. > I'm sure you have your reasons, though.. I prefer manual syncing because I find it more musical. That is, you can always instantly follow anyone that happens to play "the wrong" arrangement of the song. Even if the tempo changes you can still make your loops sound good by re-triggering them halfway through or maybe only using the first few beats of the loops. >> I too like MainStage a lot, but I still use Logic for looping virtual > > I attended a Logic Studio demo/workshop a few weeks ago, and Erik > Metall (great name for a musician, sweedish, know him?) referred to > looping in Logic as less usable, so I'm a Bit surprised on your > take here.. I didn't mean that I run the looping in Logic (even though I think a couple of Tape Delay plug-ins controlled from a MIDI foot board is a nice looper inside Logic, although only permitting a half bar loop length). I only use Logic as "the sound module" (for guitar, wind instruments and software MIDI driven instruments played by an EWI) and as an arpeggiator and key following chord creator for MIDI instruments. All my looping I do on a second laptop, connected by ADAT and MIDI, that runs the software looper Mobius. My reason for this dual laptop setup is that I have not been able to find a software looper for OS X that can compete with Mobius, that unfortunately runs only under Windows. The looping laptop, with Mobius, is the sync master and sends MIDI clock into Logic 7 on the Mac. I stick with Logic 7 because Logic 8 has dropped MIDI Clock slaving. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 3 14:21:12 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0D6F53BEF6; Sat, 3 Nov 2007 14:21:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 1857 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Sat, 03 Nov 2007 14:21:11 UTC Message-ID: <472C7841.7030403@biink.com> Date: Sat, 03 Nov 2007 09:31:45 -0400 From: David Beardsley Reply-To: db@biink.com Organization: Biink & SSI User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (Windows/20070728) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Robert Fripp and LoCG Sighting References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <6zCP6C.A.xvD.XPILHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/75970 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2007 14:21:12 +0000 (UTC) Dennis Moser wrote: > Absod*mnlutely amazing ... I wish I could say that about the music. missing Frippertronics...dB -- * David Beardsley * microtonal guitar * http://biink.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 3 14:32:28 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id ABE783BEF4; Sat, 3 Nov 2007 14:32:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=bx86sg4AN/Plf4SEtrY5vlz5C5SoWP3I03oZETBweZA=; b=uXq1FgMcGajBOxpw5rfZqlNylUz7+4Hl9mBpFFKFpU8K7XFJ9G0UO0pvhS5g/Jh1Lp8mJdCX/qM+XUflEhnkEQFWxQ+uzYG55r8vNRRJiaIGSnGt1CbfjmlKC7Q6lZQ8kn4RRQttfokE2QuDFqVP4BYuU1Ju2hM/6g8oQU/9Cc4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=muChnp45i0c8oiMjoKDlGIzuBS3mKILNjPmlXD3kIggvhCNN+tAzWdxjdiMkEfRvoehm4fYuNimsT387UVW7Xl+BqRJ9cpEbHAx7QOH1gaZvfALhK0PMUeeujAPlntji+6yx1icPZq1+vo44pDCRiXZj7mRXuTVNUSvSLBzYx2Y= Message-ID: Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2007 15:32:26 +0100 From: "Raul Bonell" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: New CD Release: Music Unfit for Children In-Reply-To: <01bf01c81dc5$2150b7c0$52b4ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_18241_7554836.1194100346331" References: <000901c81db9$6b590310$1001a8c0@succubus> <01bf01c81dc5$2150b7c0$52b4ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/75971 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2007 14:32:28 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_18241_7554836.1194100346331 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Nice stuff and as weird as ever... When are you creating their LD account? ,-) Thx for the free music, Raul. 2007/11/3, Krispen Hartung : > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > Krispen said, planning future appearances: > > > >> Rick, one day you will have the Hartung Avant-Garde Looping Trio...at > > Y2K11? We will all be hooked up to computers and max/msp. > > > > How do you know that? It might very well be possible that Tristan uses a > > time lag accumulator, while Kyra writes audio processing software in > > assembly language running on a cell phone... > > > > Rainer > > One can only wish. :) > > -- The Playing Orchestra: http://www.telefonica.net/web2/tpo Chain Tape Collective: http://www.ct-collective.com TPO at myspace: http://www.myspace.com/theplayingorchestra ------=_Part_18241_7554836.1194100346331 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Nice stuff and as weird as ever...
        When are you creating their LD account?

        ,-)

        Thx for the free music,
        Raul.


        2007/11/3, Krispen Hartung < khartung@cableone.net>:

        ----- Original Message -----

        > Krispen said, planning future appearances:
        >
        >> Rick, one day you will have the Hartung Avant-Garde Looping Trio...at
        > Y2K11? We will all be hooked up to computers and max/msp.
        >
        > How do you know that? It might very well be possible that Tristan uses a
        > time lag accumulator, while Kyra writes audio processing software in
        > assembly language running on a cell phone...
        >
        > Rainer

        One can only wish. :)




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        TPO at myspace: http://www.myspace.com/theplayingorchestra ------=_Part_18241_7554836.1194100346331-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 3 14:36:52 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B4BCB3BF01; Sat, 3 Nov 2007 14:36:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <472C8757.7050901@post.cybercity.dk> Date: Sat, 03 Nov 2007 15:36:07 +0100 From: van Sinn Reply-To: vansinn@post.cybercity.dk Organization: van Sinn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Fwd: Need time sync explained References: <9BF782FC-EA33-41D2-AA06-598DB95E5CFF@boysen.se> In-Reply-To: <9BF782FC-EA33-41D2-AA06-598DB95E5CFF@boysen.se> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/75972 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2007 14:36:52 +0000 (UTC) Per Boysen wrote: > On 3 nov 2007, at 13.57, van Sinn wrote: > >> That I don't understand, of cause, based on lack on experience. >> For 'fixed' synchopatics music, it makes sense; for progressive >> styles with changing patterns, I'd think linking to drums would be >> better. >> Then again, if percussion isn't at a steady rate, I do see poblems.. >> I'm sure you have your reasons, though.. > > > I prefer manual syncing because I find it more musical. That is, you > can always instantly follow anyone that happens to play "the wrong" > arrangement of the song. Even if the tempo changes you can still make > your loops sound good by re-triggering them halfway through or maybe > only using the first few beats of the loops. Got it, thanks. >>> I too like MainStage a lot, but I still use Logic for looping virtual >> >> >> I attended a Logic Studio demo/workshop a few weeks ago, and Erik >> Metall (great name for a musician, sweedish, know him?) referred to >> looping in Logic as less usable, so I'm a Bit surprised on your take >> here.. > > > > I didn't mean that I run the looping in Logic (even though I think a > couple of Tape Delay plug-ins controlled from a MIDI foot board is a > nice looper inside Logic, although only permitting a half bar loop > length). I only use Logic as "the sound module" (for guitar, wind > instruments and software MIDI driven instruments played by an EWI) and > as an arpeggiator and key following chord creator for MIDI instruments. > All my looping I do on a second laptop, connected by ADAT and MIDI, > that runs the software looper Mobius. My reason for this dual laptop > setup is that I have not been able to find a software looper for OS X > that can compete with Mobius, that unfortunately runs only under > Windows. The looping laptop, with Mobius, is the sync master and sends > MIDI clock into Logic 7 on the Mac. I stick with Logic 7 because Logic > 8 has dropped MIDI Clock slaving. Understood. Tried running Mobius on XP within Parallels on a McIntel? I'm not sure how well HW abstraction is handled by Parallels, though I did see a demo running HW test tools, incl. some graphics test suite.. I'd expect drivers colliding with priority and latency issues, plus how routing sound between the two OS's si to be done, I don't know.. -- rgds, van Sinn From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 3 14:38:16 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3D4753BF07; Sat, 3 Nov 2007 14:38:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <472C87AC.2080809@post.cybercity.dk> Date: Sat, 03 Nov 2007 15:37:32 +0100 From: van Sinn Reply-To: vansinn@post.cybercity.dk Organization: van Sinn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Need time sync explained References: <472B6C80.8030207@post.cybercity.dk> <00D88560-BFB0-419D-8B67-3960CDA8865D@gmail.com> <472C7021.9090301@post.cybercity.dk> In-Reply-To: <472C7021.9090301@post.cybercity.dk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/75973 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2007 14:38:16 +0000 (UTC) van Sinn wrote: > My plan (for later implementation) is having a MIDI/USB organ-style > floor keyboard for playing stacked-up key/synth/organ's in MainStage > while doing my guitar stuff. Planning to run this from a Mac lappie > makes for good reasons considering a SW-based looper. > If my planned setup moves on, I imagine needing to switch between > looping the guitar parts only, and occationally also sampling both > guitar and the MainStage stack. > For the latter reason I'd expect a plugin looper a better choise. Will a G4 1.25/1.33, 1 gig ram Tiger installed lappie be enough to run MainStage with 3-4 synth/piano/organ's stacked up with some effects, while running some looping SW, probably not utilized as deep as what I've heard serious looper from in here do (on youtube et al..) ? -- rgds, van Sinn From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 3 14:38:43 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1A9283BF08; Sat, 3 Nov 2007 14:38:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=rv8Vvc/f+nsFvViUEzgpTN6EkSMdu0JV1zb/HMKupRk=; b=dJXFtEdXJFpTQkHvQ6EqcG5XCEbVSD/W6cMEOriLp5s1luN7VtlDibtQtAmtJVgoSqGMHxSTCvqOBt2e4dLHjs7zCDyUQag3hTCbwjXKoJTuLS5LtNGIDwAUx0SWuD93fpzbmPGRZb5hNrmOdjIVdj7lwe5U5TDfmvPbbHiJQCE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=RC4HleMVc5VbJoW6MaX6/wSqFb6fuihYiXw5TBsE8/BxpJSSGVW+QjQ4vbLYnwOSmIW3SrhEfJMsUQmTKIhSdmlZ5qsdgOp6Eod88tnh9miADifFu0qvK6F9GI4izR+SG+/v4Qgm+pZ1lEM3CMUDgbw6EaUMXvKNgJuaJXXNlH4= Message-ID: Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2007 15:38:41 +0100 From: "Raul Bonell" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: EFC7 footswitches in Europe In-Reply-To: <004701c81e20$0603acb0$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_18251_11303371.1194100721503" References: <004701c81e20$0603acb0$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> Resent-Message-ID: <5RMRx.A.-aE.yfILHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/75974 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2007 14:38:43 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_18251_11303371.1194100721503 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Try this Michael... http://britishaudioservice.com/shop_main_echoplex.shtml Bye bye, Raul. 2007/11/3, Michael Peters : > > my Echoplex foot controller switches need to be replaced. Is there anyone > who sells these switches in Europe (Germany)? > > -Michael > > -- The Playing Orchestra: http://www.telefonica.net/web2/tpo Chain Tape Collective: http://www.ct-collective.com TPO at myspace: http://www.myspace.com/theplayingorchestra ------=_Part_18251_11303371.1194100721503 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Try this Michael...

        http://britishaudioservice.com/shop_main_echoplex.shtml

        Bye bye,
        Raul.

        2007/11/3, Michael Peters < mp@mpeters.de>:
        my Echoplex foot controller switches need to be replaced. Is there anyone
        who sells these switches in Europe (Germany)?

        -Michael




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        Chain Tape Collective: http://www.ct-collective.com
        TPO at myspace: http://www.myspace.com/theplayingorchestra ------=_Part_18251_11303371.1194100721503-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 3 14:39:55 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2286F3BF06; Sat, 3 Nov 2007 14:39:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=EMRRh+o55FhcVQKeH5mCyob90CQodvZ8ZC5+MeoLzRI=; b=Qwwr/mcbXMRdqid5dCyyhY+CCXxqZsb2ogYuq1N7l8gOF3brXvgAltCHEgI/5a6rQNDRdNH9y1krX8fS3G0GPKE6nldRnROBC7eVp6q+NsNJ1RldS6ASXmT63c5obY2jWs6AHeHGmyTxbafddR9lKjGRzbCjd/VJ5+M+d/cwSAo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=qz89s+d4wcsRYlaVxz34MYk4rnfOSxnOoe+JI1BV5aftZlFgKrKpC2M+BLBl1WoGIzlH19g3W/6hb0f2COhkxBdaUGJlbbCJojiogPYzWrPTcLBNtF2yMMOMwlF85W5FMHKsj8W8d/tMuYhYk6Ih2tiVTSyxvmEM+9A5g5CAJYQ= Message-ID: Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2007 15:39:53 +0100 From: "Raul Bonell" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: EFC7 footswitches in Europe In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_18253_32438368.1194100794035" References: <004701c81e20$0603acb0$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/75975 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2007 14:39:55 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_18253_32438368.1194100794035 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Sorry, not European... just the name "British". 2007/11/3, Raul Bonell : > > Try this Michael... > > http://britishaudioservice.com/shop_main_echoplex.shtml > > Bye bye, > Raul. > > 2007/11/3, Michael Peters < mp@mpeters.de>: > > > > my Echoplex foot controller switches need to be replaced. Is there > > anyone > > who sells these switches in Europe (Germany)? > > > > -Michael > > > > > > > -- > The Playing Orchestra: http://www.telefonica.net/web2/tpo > Chain Tape Collective: http://www.ct-collective.com > TPO at myspace: http://www.myspace.com/theplayingorchestra -- The Playing Orchestra: http://www.telefonica.net/web2/tpo Chain Tape Collective: http://www.ct-collective.com TPO at myspace: http://www.myspace.com/theplayingorchestra ------=_Part_18253_32438368.1194100794035 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Sorry, not European... just the name "British".

        2007/11/3, Raul Bonell <raul.bonell@gmail.com>:
        Try this Michael...

        http://britishaudioservice.com/shop_main_echoplex.shtml

        Bye bye,
        Raul.

        2007/11/3, Michael Peters < mp@mpeters.de>:
        my Echoplex foot controller switches need to be replaced. Is there anyone
        who sells these switches in Europe (Germany)?

        -Michael




        --
        The Playing Orchestra: http://www.telefonica.net/web2/tpo
        Chain Tape Collective: http://www.ct-collective.com
        TPO at myspace: http://www.myspace.com/theplayingorchestra



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        Chain Tape Collective: http://www.ct-collective.com
        TPO at myspace: http://www.myspace.com/theplayingorchestra ------=_Part_18253_32438368.1194100794035-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 3 14:42:59 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0378A3BF0E; Sat, 3 Nov 2007 14:42:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <01ed01c81e27$d335b7d0$52b4ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <20071103053126.650323BEB8@arsenic.violacea.com> Subject: Re: FlyLoops and electronic instruments Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2007 08:42:56 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="windows-1250"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/75976 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2007 14:42:58 +0000 (UTC) Makes sense, thanks! Basically, your A->B is like Next Loop (or A/B on a Boomerang), except that rather than being restricted on just one loop, like on a Boomerang or EDP, you can do that on any track, or only on one track while static parts are looping on the other tracks. Serial loops...all that timing sig stuff you mentioned...I'll set that aside, as I don't play with time signatures or have any need for syncing in my work Kris ********* A->B 1 2 3 4 5 A B A - - loops 1 and 3 are still playing with but I have turned 2A off and replaced it with a newly record 2B (chorus lick). Hit A-B again and I go back to the verse riff .... drums remain the same 1 2 3 4 5 A A A - - From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 3 14:48:50 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 407543BF0F; Sat, 3 Nov 2007 14:48:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; bh=DHu30CMbQOxqkbhKzCj+vjLEDTSN19FRbMLwd379blM=; b=crno5vpD7VXxs3xXpSOYbbMgM3OGo1Q+XzErgQXEHmST7ahFJw7tj/S7bz70B8bAZG3J9POYi/2eYoWVuQvntfL+Pxa/fHd6tKqiTlizXbIRUrrSQWec/yEISIopB0wAYndF7BLlwFSnKtuEZfNPS/Bjs+EasAVvF9cpvjjrvvk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=JUry38+y9eYKhMtb71TTOjZ14yZ+IiX84fh2QDOVevRgBXpp1BC/9GZ+QoHgL38+bc3vdSg8AiYiq5pi+pOiEQWp/vfuT4wo8YeH3v3vEncAOj95rMOApoxj7wsZ/xqiZrAQfrR8puHQi9CcO8c2r5+ixj9yefe12kOAl5yNipk= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <472C8757.7050901@post.cybercity.dk> References: <9BF782FC-EA33-41D2-AA06-598DB95E5CFF@boysen.se> <472C8757.7050901@post.cybercity.dk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Need time sync explained Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2007 15:48:41 +0100 To: Loopers X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/75977 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2007 14:48:50 +0000 (UTC) On 3 nov 2007, at 15.36, van Sinn wrote: > Understood. Tried running Mobius on XP within Parallels on a McIntel? No and I don't think I will bother trying it either ;-)) But I'm looking forward to running Mobius under what is now in beta version called "Bootcamp" as soon as I can afford a new McIntel (still on G4 powerbook...). I think though, that until a good looper for OSX becomes available I will stick to the two laptop system now and then, since it's not possible to run OS X and Win XP at the same time, and in collaboration, on McIntel. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 3 15:05:12 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 74E5A3BF13; Sat, 3 Nov 2007 15:05:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; bh=7IrvhmsADTc8CKb0Eig2kqYTrZNBUGPyX1s/dw2BsWQ=; b=UJSuB0nVj6YOjeobOPXodDDDRC+5m8ok4vfSAmhdlZxzd/3DDfpZWnnm5Y5/LdmU+R/txIvF70ic0i403mD2tll9ICbE5MFwxDxrXtnrUK29l26M6Hlk32/EXiMtV4c3mSE5yZLtHQAQKjP9AhlzG3pek0bdkLHqEXx6b2cJlso= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=noQMDnlQkd+rWU1ciGlLIxPRfOo98GryWq0YxfYjNBFWp6cPD424Q/Oyq3zFnRukrq2pwA6kvLJSYuD2idJCCMR77YCFbfs7ZPUNEfbngJkX8mBrASl/rHmW2sinSljTgSs7F3wV+eLLJ2PGfDhZ5U7FNK3ODFkrVbwzuF8NYt8= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <472C87AC.2080809@post.cybercity.dk> References: <472B6C80.8030207@post.cybercity.dk> <00D88560-BFB0-419D-8B67-3960CDA8865D@gmail.com> <472C7021.9090301@post.cybercity.dk> <472C87AC.2080809@post.cybercity.dk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <936B79D2-5A5C-4519-A581-C9AB10E3BAF5@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Powerbook G4 1.25 performance (was: Re: Need time sync explained) Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2007 16:05:06 +0100 To: Loopers X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/75978 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2007 15:05:12 +0000 (UTC) On 3 nov 2007, at 15.37, van Sinn wrote: > van Sinn wrote: >> My plan (for later implementation) is having a MIDI/USB organ- >> style floor keyboard for playing stacked-up key/synth/organ's in >> MainStage while doing my guitar stuff. Planning to run this from >> a Mac lappie makes for good reasons considering a SW-based looper. >> If my planned setup moves on, I imagine needing to switch between >> looping the guitar parts only, and occationally also sampling both >> guitar and the MainStage stack. >> For the latter reason I'd expect a plugin looper a better choise. > > Will a G4 1.25/1.33, 1 gig ram Tiger installed lappie be enough to > run MainStage with 3-4 synth/piano/organ's stacked up with some > effects, while running some looping SW, probably not utilized as > deep as what I've heard serious looper from in here do (on youtube > et al..) ? That's the same Powerbook model I have, except for that I have 2 GB RAM in mine, and I'm afraid your ambition is too high for that machine. Over here I have found that the upper limit for what I can run during a concert, without risking audio artifacts due to CPU overload, is - 1 synth/sampler (EXS24, ES2, EVP88, EFM1 or Sculpture). Absolutely no CPU headroom for stacking software instruments ;-( - 1 Platinum Reverb (on an aux send bus) - 1 Autofilter + Stere Delay (on an aux send bus) The sampler EXS24 is the least CPU intensive, so for some sampler patches I have also chained a Tape Delay and a Phaser plug-in. But as for the Sculpture and ES2, which are awesome synths for EWI playing, there is no CPU power left for adding effects to the sound patches. I the examples above I am not running any looping software, only the synths/sampler/Guitar Amp Pro simulator. In other words; G4 Powerbook is pretty lame by today's standards ;-( Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 3 15:07:46 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CA4283BF18; Sat, 3 Nov 2007 15:07:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <022301c81e2b$49ee7350$52b4ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <000901c81db9$6b590310$1001a8c0@succubus> <01bf01c81dc5$2150b7c0$52b4ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Subject: Re: New CD Release: Music Unfit for Children Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2007 09:07:44 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0220_01C81DF8.FEDF4880" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: <8krqrB.A.MwF.C7ILHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/75979 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2007 15:07:46 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0220_01C81DF8.FEDF4880 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hmmm...not a bad idea...especially how fast kids are getting on = computers these days! That would lead to wayyyy too much OT, though. :) ----- Original Message -----=20 Nice stuff and as weird as ever... When are you creating their LD account? ,-) Thx for the free music, Raul. e: http://www.myspace.com/theplayingorchestra ------=_NextPart_000_0220_01C81DF8.FEDF4880 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
        Hmmm...not a bad idea...especially how = fast kids=20 are getting on computers these days!  That would lead to wayyyy too = much=20 OT, though. :)
        ----- Original Message -----

         
        Nice=20 stuff and as weird as ever...
        When are you creating their LD=20 account?

        ,-)

        Thx for the free music,
        Raul.

        e: = http://www.myspace.co= m/theplayingorchestra=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0220_01C81DF8.FEDF4880-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 3 15:55:05 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C6ABB3BF1B; Sat, 3 Nov 2007 15:55:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; bh=2AwUx/YXyOAAD8X+vJudUvC728+8vG4JsK4bmmB8MSw=; b=QWDIj+WbnUaqyTcPqO2tzZs6gnkWR8DwFAAgF9ffKNvlw0svE4o/va5QIyJoOL07BbCVKmPYav7Q5+hiWxlRiafz30hxyRESllj/fP6bwJ94fW/AODNRZAdvEKYW7W/8vP4B6XI8fYst6kyQ4U5OYEyVh+PuhMKZNfunScSkZpo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=OPPF2fX8asn8qlg9X8iYACAp6Kt0xUaFHcpXzGp7uTcwnfVae1fneSb6WsK9KOG9VoimKKCs41fKOBGBh/vR+U8mhdEtKkgtfaoHsEYVMxSe9VoPt6U0NXkslw5KN9sjE+zQGErHg588tQSXQ0E+q0ExvQDlvF0vRD72cgp5JeQ= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <20071102211625.093E83BED2@arsenic.violacea.com> References: <20071102211625.093E83BED2@arsenic.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: FlyLoops and electronic instruments Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2007 16:54:58 +0100 To: Loopers X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/75980 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2007 15:55:05 +0000 (UTC) On 2 nov 2007, at 22.16, Aaron Leese wrote: > INTERFACE / INTERACTION : > I know mobius can handle multiple loops in parallel, as can =20 > flyloops ... and > I think the approaches we use are somewhat similar ... > > Screenshots: > Flyloops - www.flyloops.com/screenshot.jpg > Mobius - http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/zonemobius > > It looks like you can control various aspects of multiple loops at =20 > the same > time from either program .... by this I mean hit a couple pedals =20 > and tell > the program to turn certain loops on/off on the next repeat ... Yes, or rather "Mute" as I prefer. This implies that the muted loop =20 keeps up with the time-line of the music and will still be in musical =20= sync when brought back into the sounding mix. Mobius offers different =20= modes of muting, which I think is brilliant; when you unmute the loop =20= again you can (1) have the loop run still in sync according to the =20 general music time-line, (2) start exactly where it was muted (as in =20 "pause") or (3) start from the beginning (given the un-mute action =20 happens on the set quantize point). > stack on a > certain loop (but not the others) .... ahh... you mean like "the two loops sticking together"? That might be =20= useful, but I think I would rather overdub one loop as a layer to the =20= other to keep them more easily manageable on-the-fly. > > INITIAL LOOP: > Both flyloops and mobius (I think) get their timing from an intial =20 > recorded > loop ... the "master". All others are synced to that, or not ... =20 > which > brings us to ..... > > SYNCING: > I am not sure what polyrythmic is on the looping comparison chart .. Quick input: poly rhythm in looping can happen when two loops of =20 different length run in parallel sync. Like for example, if one loop =20 is three beats and the other four beats long they will both hook up =20 again, at the first downbeat, each twelve beat (typical African feel). > but I > bet we have the same idea here. All loops in flyloops can be =20 > recorded as: > > - full sync - meaning start/stop recording only at the masters loop =20= > boundary > .. so all loops start/stop with the master, and are a multiple of =20 > the master > loops length Good for beginners. > - partial sync - start recording whenever I tap in, but when I tap =20 > out .. > wait until the loop is some multiple of the masters length ... so =20 > all loops > are a multiple of the length ... but will start/stop only at a =20 > particular > offset to the master. You must be missing something here, or didn't explain it as you =20 intended to! If the Tap In point is not quantized but the Tap Out =20 point is, then there is no chance that the resulting loop will match =20 a multiple of the master loops length. You need to also use =20 quantization for the TAp In action. > > - No sync - just start and stop when I tap ... so the loop can be any > length, and will not sync to the master. This is good! Out of sync loops can sound great for creating an =20 organic texture. > I imagine it is the same in mobius .... ? Correct. > > MASTER: switch which loop is master .. I am sure that mobius does =20 > this. Yes, it does. I have not found the need to use it yet though. > MIDI CONTROL: > I think they are comparable with this ... both programs have a wide =20= > variety > of functions that can be mapped to midi commands. > > TEMPO/PITCH SHIFT: > I haven't programmed this yet... so currently there is no tempo or =20 > pitch > shifting (there use to be, when I used DirectX .. you'll notice in =20 > one of > the videos) ... but ASIO has no inherent support for this ... but =20 > this is > top of the list of things to get done. Please note that you may easily implement Rate Shifting, which in =20 essence is simply old-school sampler stuff; with a higher pitch the =20 loop plays faster and becomes shorter. Personally I find this more =20 interesting than Tempo/Pitch Shift because it also opens up for =20 polyrhythymics when you apply chord changes by rate shifting the =20 loop. However, with this performance technique you need a function to =20= realign all loops now and then, since they may drift off sync into a =20 musically undesirable relation. > > TAP TEMPO: > Mobius does this ... Flyloops will, once pitch/tempo shift is =20 > complete. Does it? I must have missed that feature then. Anyway, both pitch-=20 shifting and time-stretching in Mobius are still not good enough for =20 Tap Tempo to make any sense in practice. It must be possible to =20 implement into a looper, since Ableton Live can do (although Live is =20 not A Looper). > > VST: > Mobius blows me out of the water here ... flyloops cannot run as a VST > (yet). Personally I'm more interested in running it as an AU (if OS X is =20 supported, that is) > GROUP LOOPING: > Can mobius specify which audio stream to record by device .. such =20 > as, when > receiving a certain command ... I record only the left audio source =20= > (which > happens to be, say, the drums) ... I sync it according to the sync =20 > setting Yes. By scripting almost every command or function in Mobius can be =20 combined in any way. If running Mobius VST you just have to assign =20 the different inputs of the laptops audio interface to different =20 Mobius track inputs. Routings can be set to change on given MIDI =20 event inputs. Personally I do this in Plogue Bidule, which is my =20 preferred VST host application. > ADD/ MULTIPLY/ OVERWRITE: same, I think > > STACK: Flyloops lets you stack on loops individually ... with =20 > whatever > decay you wish ... I imagine mobius is the same. I'm afraid I don't understand what you mean by "stack on loops =20 individually"? > CONSOLIDATE: consolidate loops ... select three and make them one. =20= > I don=92t > know if mobius does this .... ? Yes it does. See "Bounce" in the manual. The Bounce function works =20 perfectly, except for the fact that it does change the global tempo =20 base for the looping session, which makes it too complicated for me =20 to use in concerto praxis. > > GROUPING: > Specify that loops 1,2 and 4 are in group I .... loop 5 is in group =20= > II, and > 3 isnt in a group .... then change the volume for group I ... or =20 > the pan on > group II ..... or stutter the loops in group I .... > I imagine mobius can do this ... ? Yes. And more: By general preferences you can set for each function =20 if it will be affected by grouping or not. That's really good, I =20 think, because it makes the looper extremely configurable. Just a short note: In Mobius you do not group "loops" but "tracks". =20 Each track can stack a bunch of loops but only play back one at a =20 time. So in order to play back in parallel loops has to be recorded =20 on different tracks. I think this is very user-friendly too, because =20 then you can dedicate tracks for certain melody instrument and record =20= each instrument's "verse", "chorus" or "bridge" as "loop 1", "loop 2" =20= or "loop 3". If you then make a percussion loop on a different track =20 and don't group it, the percussion loop will keep playing while all =20 grouped tracks will change between different song parts. > EXTERNAL SYNCING: > flyloops doesn't do this ... It's not working very will in Mobius either, if you are hinting at =20 MIDI Clock Sync Slaving? But MIDI Clock is in general regarded as a =20 bad syncing protocol and doesn't work well on many good audio =20 applications. Apple even left it out for Logic Pro 8! (just the slave =20= side, they still let L8 send out MIDI Clock). > though once it is rewire compatible it should > by able to sync to internal sources. Please watch out when implementing ReWire! In Ableton Live you loose =20 the ability to send out MIDI when enabling ReWire Sync. This is a =20 tragedy since Live has excellent arpeggio plug-ins and many users =20 want to stream the arpeggioator's MIDI into another DAW for driving =20 really good software instruments and arrange compositions. Shame on =20 Ableton for this!!! > SAVING: > Flyloops can save in two way .... first, export the loops as wav =20 > files. > Also .. there is a record session button which records the =20 > performance ... Great that you can do both! Both ways are requested by many users. > it records to two files ... one which is live input (The solos =20 > being played) > the other is flyloops output .. the loops (after volume, etc. =20 > adjustments). Whoops... what about if you want to record parallel loops as parallel =20= audio files? I mean, you may want to mix the session properly in a DAW. Thanks for posting the deep info, Aaron! It was interesting to read, =20 since I happened to miss the FlyLoops demo in Santa Cruz. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 3 19:26:26 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0517B3BEF9; Sat, 3 Nov 2007 19:26:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 630485340-mk-filter-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com-B2C-$THROTTLED-DYNAMIC-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 79.74.238.25 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Aq4HAGJoLEdPSu4Z/2dsb2JhbACCKo4TlFg Message-ID: <472CCB8E.9020100@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Sat, 03 Nov 2007 19:27:10 +0000 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: LD Subject: Gordius LG first impression. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/75981 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2007 19:26:25 +0000 (UTC) Got the Gordius LG a couple of days ago. Not programmed it yet, but checked it out for switches/ergonomics. This review is based on using(soon) the product for looping, which is not what it was originally designed for, so please keep this is mind if some of this seems a bit critical.. 1) Xavier made a couple of mods to the LG for me, moving 2 switches and allowing the LG to access 4 expression pedals rather than 2. Seems this is to be called the LG4 ( ....dunnow what's wrong with LGab :-) anyway with the LG4 there's 2 rows of 5 buttons at the front for patches or whatever, while the bank up + down switches are on top of the unit. By agreement between Xavier and myself, these mods were done in a pragmatic way, 2 LEDS await my attentions with a power drill to get them into the right place, and the legending is done in temporary stickers. I'm happy with the deal, but if you're expecting a professional finish then you need to haggle with Xavier. (dealing with Xavier is a happy experience tho') 2) power supply is a wall wart, of the euro type which doesn't fit with UK sockets without an argument. 3) the ergonomics of the button spacing is excellent for fast footwork, though for precision a good pair of looping shoes will be needed. I'm used to the fcb1010, which has large pads for each switch. Horizontal spacing is exactly the same as fcb1010 The 2 rows are both easy to get at, and it's very easy to get the correct switch. 4) switches aren't in any way silent, they don't click like a stomp box, but there's a fair clack to be heard. The switches aren't damped, and the noise resonates through the body. Well , if you push them slowly, they can be silent, but what's the fun in that. So not ideal for looping in that respect ( but not too bad either) Noisier than the fcb1010. about the same as the pmc10 5) response of the switches is nice and fast, a light tap triggers the function, and if the switch is pushed further there's a bit more resistance to it. For the guy who asked if he could rest his foot on the button before activating, the answer is ' probably not'. ( andy says 'learn to tapdance' ;-) For a swift footed looper, these buttons are ideal, and look very expensive and reliable. So far, I'm really pleased with this unit. Xavier doesn't publish a list of suitable expression pedals (except the expensive Roland one) so I'm not ready to go live with it yet. The latest features include sysex, and the ability to place a delay in a string of commands. Already it had the ability to control 2 edps together or separately. (in other words EDP heaven) More info later. andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 3 21:04:33 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BD8A73BEF5; Sat, 3 Nov 2007 21:04:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; bh=UA52byErNku3LwxICrXhLfACZsUka5tHDId+JCCSgQM=; b=VW+Upan/38B+1w61ANwcOpy8gGn/fcTahd+SZnUOpBDfWNGVsoto3tzDLorrV9GnvbnfBQUyzXYfHaxNn4xWsiZDz2/3JvGFYGb+aXhTf54Ljb+GKee8iWTq6qBIVs7zc/SDCNCYJje8KTFIZ2gExtk8dp4QihlpP+e5IFVhKYI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=YodgTBpOCNcvK7AUwCFL1580Gl54SoUmmDd3UlR2jU/aY7E4x/1XdgOpAyI0IFBkVnXI9KL/7u93EE5eB0QB2HujdQTWW5sasMNjGNP2w+GZR8n2BFqz2PqAAVeKb9xbPIW+lw6Itgc447LeMoTtoC312ry0Ur2qB0fUXrR8R78= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <472CCB8E.9020100@tiscali.co.uk> References: <472CCB8E.9020100@tiscali.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Gordius LG first impression. Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2007 22:04:26 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/75982 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2007 21:04:33 +0000 (UTC) On 3 nov 2007, at 20.27, andy butler wrote: > This review.... Thank you, Andy, for the quick review posting! VEry interesting. I would like to ask about what I think is the most important point, the size. A while back someone on this list said the Gordius is two centimeter too big for bringing in the cabin when flying. Is this correct? Flight restrictions permit cabin baggage up to 56 centimeters length. How long is this pedal? Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 3 21:19:19 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BD9463BF04; Sat, 3 Nov 2007 21:19:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 641494330-mk-filter-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com-B2C-$THROTTLED-DYNAMIC-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 79.74.238.25 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Aq4HAGaCLEdPSu4Z/2dsb2JhbACCKqI7 Message-ID: <472CE606.7030803@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Sat, 03 Nov 2007 21:20:06 +0000 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Gordius LG first impression. References: <472CCB8E.9020100@tiscali.co.uk> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/75983 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2007 21:19:19 +0000 (UTC) the LG I have is 34cm long, :-) and if I get some time off from mailing about it I'll be able to open the pc editor for it. so..the Big LG (with the keyboard layout and pedals must be 58cm?? Per Boysen wrote: > On 3 nov 2007, at 20.27, andy butler wrote: > >> This review.... > > > Thank you, Andy, for the quick review posting! VEry interesting. I would > like to ask about what I think is the most important point, the size. A > while back someone on this list said the Gordius is two centimeter too > big for bringing in the cabin when flying. Is this correct? Flight > restrictions permit cabin baggage up to 56 centimeters length. How long > is this pedal? > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > www.looproom.com (international) > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 3 21:28:48 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 460E93BF02; Sat, 3 Nov 2007 21:28:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; bh=icn3pl8i4gSFp6C/rZee2kdoievxJuyi9zMRe8fqoZE=; b=b90K3EIclL0WgrA/sM3p5HTd8IdxEcIDSUgX0Vc0LloUC26z2R6sEIOKY8ocq/GUsdBbyAX+Gz02N11DeH5TVkLQ7IUPNheM6kuxijxuojfHgrHz5aNOWA8R69+zMIuwV3F3dVfyUsdRgDmdZvOlpU2rWXQBbgsmgLtYO+RCl5M= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=aaY1MSekOwmJOCAeDo6cFD4dd5WYNGjraAIls8NNbo4TkRIniw/ybPmBxVeo3toC6A+ZJyHHXa4UVKjWpzzM6pmFAIqIifIzg0I6XFv2GmvmA4brJruxbBJNhAgdVwGiNyg2tH86D6ztZI53+kbq2niqOfHO/D2p3i1BtEB8Ox4= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <472CE606.7030803@tiscali.co.uk> References: <472CCB8E.9020100@tiscali.co.uk> <472CE606.7030803@tiscali.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <014C19F3-B671-4999-8BBF-2680C2975066@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Gordius LG first impression. Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2007 22:28:42 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/75984 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2007 21:28:48 +0000 (UTC) LG: Now that's excellent! Thanks! per On 3 nov 2007, at 22.20, andy butler wrote: > the LG I have is 34cm long, > > :-) and if I get some time off from mailing about it I'll be able to > open the pc editor for it. > > so..the Big LG (with the keyboard layout and pedals must be 58cm?? That would be the educated guess then I guess.... ;-( > Per Boysen wrote: >> On 3 nov 2007, at 20.27, andy butler wrote: >>> This review.... >> Thank you, Andy, for the quick review posting! VEry interesting. I >> would like to ask about what I think is the most important point, >> the size. A while back someone on this list said the Gordius is >> two centimeter too big for bringing in the cabin when flying. Is >> this correct? Flight restrictions permit cabin baggage up to 56 >> centimeters length. How long is this pedal? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 4 04:37:25 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 669CC3BF00; Sun, 4 Nov 2007 04:37:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "Aaron Leese" To: Subject: RE: FlyLoops and electronic instruments Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2007 21:37:06 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1250" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 In-Reply-To: Thread-Index: AcgeMeq0bKK/4y8ETRaD4J6ebGL5JAAY5xsg X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Message-Id: <20071104043724.C08CB3BEF8@arsenic.violacea.com> Resent-Message-ID: <827LiD.A.oMB.FyULHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/75985 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2007 04:37:25 +0000 (UTC) Wooo ..... sounds like we generally understand each other .... let me = just talk about a few of the thing that we seem to differ on ..... and then = let me know about some of these things that don=92t make sense to me. Aaron :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::= :: ......or rather "Mute" as I prefer. This implies that the muted loop =20 keeps up with the time-line of the music and will still be in musical =20 sync when brought back into the sounding mix. Mobius offers different =20 modes of muting, which I think is brilliant; when you unmute the loop =20 again you can ... (1) have the loop run still in sync according to the =20 general music time-line,=20 (2) start exactly where it was muted (as in =20 "pause") or=20 (3) start from the beginning (given the un-mute action =20 happens on the set quantize point). Yeah .... same deal with flyloops .... 1) I call mute 2) pause 3) on/off Also ... you should be able to just play from the beginning at an = arbitrary starting point ..... such as the "one shot" on the RC-50. I imagine = mobius can do this as well ? > SYNCING: Quick input: poly rhythm ...... Right, got it ... flyloops and mobius are both capable of this (since = both can handle loops of various lengths, but with the same underlying basic = unit of length). > > - full sync ....... Good for beginners. > - partial sync -=20 You must be missing something here, or didn't explain it as you =20 intended to! If the Tap In point is not quantized but the Tap Out =20 point is, then there is no chance that the resulting loop will match =20 a multiple of the master loops length. You need to also use =20 quantization for the TAp In action. Here is what I mean: http://www.flyloops.com/semantics/loopingmodes.html Except that back then I called it "latching" ..... this is ideal for a phrase that comes in on ... say ... the third beat of a 4/4 measure ... = but repeats every 8 measures .... you only want it to cut in/out on the 3rd = beat ... but you want it to be as long as the master (or 2,3,4 .. times as = long). For me this one is a big deal because a lot of jazz tunes have melodies beginning on a downbeat other that the 1st ... and you want to be able = to move seamlessly from playing that melody to not .... but without = trailing notes ....... Make sense? > TAP TEMPO: > Mobius does this ... Flyloops will, once pitch/tempo shift is =20 > complete. Does it? I must have missed that feature then.=20 Hmmm .... maybe I am wrong ... I thought I read that it did. > > VST: > Mobius blows me out of the water here ... flyloops cannot run as a VST > (yet). Personally I'm more interested in running it as an AU (if OS X is =20 supported, that is) Yeah, I know ..... many are. > GROUP LOOPING: > Can mobius specify which audio stream to record by device .. such =20 > as, when > receiving a certain command ... I record only the left audio source =20 > (which > happens to be, say, the drums) ... I sync it according to the sync =20 > setting Yes. By scripting almost every command or function in Mobius can be =20 combined in any way. If running Mobius VST you just have to assign =20 the different inputs of the laptops audio interface to different =20 Mobius track inputs. Routings can be set to change on given MIDI =20 event inputs. Personally I do this in Plogue Bidule, which is my =20 preferred VST host application. Hmmm .... surprising, then, that we haven't seen more true group looping experiments .... and let me be very clear ... I do NOT mean two or more people were one lays down a loop and others try to follow ..... I mean = an environment were more than one person lay down loops that are synced = with one another .... certainly mobius is capable of that ..... do you have = any examples of it ??? For example ..... say ..... rick walker lays down a quick 1 measure drum lick ... Then per boysen lays down a 5 measure flute ostinato .... Then Arild lays down a 10 measure bass line ... Then they take turns jamming over it ....... And occasionally turn a track on/off ... Maybe this just isn't anyone's style ..... and I'll accept that if it is = the case ... but I find it hard to believe that there are no examples of it = out there .... yet I haven't found one. > STACK: Flyloops lets you stack on loops individually ... with =20 > whatever > decay you wish ... I imagine mobius is the same. I'm afraid I don't understand what you mean by "stack on loops =20 individually"? I'm not sure, but I think we are mis-communicating here .... Here is what I mean: Three loops on different tracks ..... Tracks: 1 2 3 4 5 Loops: A A(s) - A -=20 So there are three recorded loops on three separate tracks, playing in parallel .. but one is stacking (overdubbing ... with a decay rate) on = just one of them (track 2, maybe ... hence the "s" above) ..... leaving the = other untouched. So one and three play as usual .... 2 stacks with a decay = rate. If you are unclear on this ... please listen to that recording I posted = a few days ago .... I make heavy use of this technique. > CONSOLIDATE: consolidate loops ... select three and make them one. =20 > I don=92t know if mobius does this .... ? Yes it does. See "Bounce" in the manual. The Bounce function works =20 perfectly, except for the fact that it does change the global tempo =20 base for the looping session. Why would it change the global tempo for this ??? I think I don't understand ........ > though once it is rewire compatible it should > by able to sync to internal sources. Please watch out when implementing ReWire! In Ableton Live you loose =20 the ability to send out MIDI when enabling ReWire Sync. Indeed .... I agree .. I'll be careful ..... to be fair though, there = may be technical limitations here .... certain elements are easy to sync up ... others much harder. > SAVING: > it records to two files ... one which is live input (The solos =20 > being played) > the other is flyloops output .. the loops (after volume, etc. =20 > adjustments). Whoops... what about if you want to record parallel loops as parallel =20 audio files? I mean, you may want to mix the session properly in a DAW. Yes... it does that too ... I call that "save loops" instead of "save session". Usually its good to do both ... then you end up with a number = of small loop wav files ..... plus a longer live recording of what the = looper itself was playing at any given time .... plus a recording of what the musician(s) was/were playing at any given time .... Make sense? This way you have a lot of versatility when editing .... Thanks for posting the deep info, Aaron!=20 Any time brotha ..... hope to have more discussions about it all ... = this is very enlightening for me ....and it's always good to get all are words together (loop =3D track .... overdub =3D stack ... things like that). Ciao AL =20 Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Free Edition.=20 Version: 7.5.487 / Virus Database: 0.0.0/0 - Release Date: = 12:00 AM =20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 4 07:03:13 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 74DED3BF0C; Sun, 4 Nov 2007 07:03:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <472D6EAE.3060507@gordius.be> Date: Sun, 04 Nov 2007 08:03:10 +0100 From: GORDIUS info Reply-To: info@gordius.be User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (Windows/20070728) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Gordius LG first impression. References: <472CCB8E.9020100@tiscali.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <472CCB8E.9020100@tiscali.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <-2xa5D.A.tkH.x6WLHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/75986 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2007 07:03:13 +0000 (UTC) Just a small add-on to avoid possible confusion : > with the LG4 there's 2 rows of 5 buttons at the front for patches or whatever, > while the bank up + down switches are on top of the unit. This modified switch placement (having the up/down buttons on top, instead of at the right side of the 2 rows) is just a "personal mod" I did on Andy's unit (without professional finish indeed), it will not be done on the "LG4" in general. "LG4" just refers to the option of having 4 expression pedal inputs (instead of the 2 external switches + 2 expr.pedals) on the Little Giant. Until now this configuration was available on the Big Little Giant only. Regards, Xavier andy butler wrote: > Got the Gordius LG a couple of days ago. > > Not programmed it yet, but checked it out for switches/ergonomics. > > This review is based on using(soon) the product for looping, which is > not what > it was originally designed for, so please keep this is mind if some of > this seems > a bit critical.. > > > 1) Xavier made a couple of mods to the LG for me, moving 2 switches > and allowing the LG to access > 4 expression pedals rather than 2. > Seems this is to be called the LG4 > ( ....dunnow what's wrong with LGab :-) > > anyway with the LG4 there's 2 rows of 5 buttons at the front for > patches or whatever, > while the bank up + down switches are on top of the unit. > > By agreement between Xavier and myself, these mods were done in a > pragmatic way, > 2 LEDS await my attentions with a power drill to get them into the > right place, and > the legending is done in temporary stickers. I'm happy with the > deal, but if you're > expecting a professional finish then you need to haggle with Xavier. > (dealing with Xavier is a happy experience tho') > > 2) power supply is a wall wart, of the euro type which doesn't fit > with UK sockets without an argument. > > 3) the ergonomics of the button spacing is excellent for fast > footwork, though for precision > a good pair of looping shoes will be needed. > I'm used to the fcb1010, which has large pads for each switch. > Horizontal spacing is exactly the same as fcb1010 > The 2 rows are both easy to get at, and it's very easy to get the > correct switch. > > > 4) switches aren't in any way silent, they don't click like a stomp > box, but there's a fair clack > to be heard. The switches aren't damped, and the noise resonates > through the body. > Well , if you push them slowly, they can be silent, but what's the > fun in that. > So not ideal for looping in that respect ( but not too bad either) > Noisier than the fcb1010. about the same as the pmc10 > > 5) response of the switches is nice and fast, a light tap triggers the > function, and if the switch > is pushed further there's a bit more resistance to it. > For the guy who asked if he could rest his foot on the button before > activating, the answer > is ' probably not'. ( andy says 'learn to tapdance' ;-) > For a swift footed looper, these buttons are ideal, and look very > expensive and reliable. > > So far, I'm really pleased with this unit. > Xavier doesn't publish a list of suitable expression pedals > (except the expensive Roland one) so I'm not ready to go live with it > yet. > > The latest features include sysex, and the ability to place a delay > in a string of commands. > Already it had the ability to control 2 edps together or separately. > (in other words EDP heaven) > > More info later. > > andy butler > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 4 07:14:57 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7EC6B3BF1A; Sun, 4 Nov 2007 07:14:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <472D716A.9010308@gordius.be> Date: Sun, 04 Nov 2007 08:14:50 +0100 From: GORDIUS info Reply-To: info@gordius.be User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (Windows/20070728) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Gordius LG first impression. References: <472CCB8E.9020100@tiscali.co.uk> <472CE606.7030803@tiscali.co.uk> <014C19F3-B671-4999-8BBF-2680C2975066@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <014C19F3-B671-4999-8BBF-2680C2975066@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/75987 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2007 07:14:57 +0000 (UTC) Another small add-on in order to avoid confusion ;-) Size of the Little Giant : 340mm x 165mm x 70-100mm (L x W x H) Size of the Big Little Giant : 550mm x 165mm x 70-100mm (L x W x H) Our initial idea was to provide small custom made flight cases for the floorboards. These would add only 2 times the flight case thickness to the long side of the pedal, resulting in a transportable unit of (slightly...) under 56 cm. However, the flight cases turned out to be too expensive to produce in small quantities. What Luca referred to in an earlier message, is the fact that most hand luggage suitcases have an inner space of 50 to 53 cm, making the "Big Little Giant" 2 cm too big... Regards, Xavier Per Boysen wrote: > LG: Now that's excellent! Thanks! > > per > > On 3 nov 2007, at 22.20, andy butler wrote: > >> the LG I have is 34cm long, >> >> :-) and if I get some time off from mailing about it I'll be able to >> open the pc editor for it. >> >> so..the Big LG (with the keyboard layout and pedals must be 58cm?? > > That would be the educated guess then I guess.... ;-( > >> Per Boysen wrote: >>> On 3 nov 2007, at 20.27, andy butler wrote: >>>> This review.... >>> Thank you, Andy, for the quick review posting! VEry interesting. I >>> would like to ask about what I think is the most important point, >>> the size. A while back someone on this list said the Gordius is two >>> centimeter too big for bringing in the cabin when flying. Is this >>> correct? Flight restrictions permit cabin baggage up to 56 >>> centimeters length. How long is this pedal? > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 4 09:34:56 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 446BF3BF24; Sun, 4 Nov 2007 09:34:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 624383302-mk-filter-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com-B2C-$THROTTLED-DYNAMIC-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 79.66.216.117 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Aq4HAF4gLUdPQth1/2dsb2JhbACCKqFB Message-ID: <472D926E.2010009@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Sun, 04 Nov 2007 09:35:42 +0000 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: LD Subject: Re: FlyLoops and electronic instruments References: <20071104043724.C08CB3BEF8@arsenic.violacea.com> In-Reply-To: <20071104043724.C08CB3BEF8@arsenic.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1250; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/75988 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2007 09:34:56 +0000 (UTC) > ......or rather "Mute" as I prefer. This implies that the muted loop > keeps up with the time-line of the music and will still be in musical > sync when brought back into the sounding mix. Mobius offers different > modes of muting, which I think is brilliant; when you unmute the loop > again you can ... > well ;-) let's not forget that this brilliance belongs to Matthias Grob who programmed the EDP. andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 4 11:24:51 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6621C3BF22; Sun, 4 Nov 2007 11:24:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=mLeh8H0AGqUV/73i1xj2nk3uKg20wxXPDR6gEHTKLDJ598qlR5wHYHKC0LxfDjtOOZoBRpJZcdsbLvukoja3rWYPnkprEisjIM5w54vleFjVT+gqVbbbSG5lWEEYcH33m2rBMXeuB/pCtc+Oq3OVI8NFj/ceKHqZbwpLe2Asoec=; X-YMail-OSG: 6F340_IVM1mQSP9dztgvziMLaJOQMpIVZs8CGcJpaHO5Wrufhj94b6UNNxoUdUt2DyNHpL6fc4dgmcXvLAli2BTbV.8hQT_N47mKdfCn82q4AhqZ.Mc- Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2007 03:24:49 -0800 (PST) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: Pod XT pro delays etc. To: Loopers Delight MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <964439.30023.qm@web38615.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/75989 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2007 11:24:51 +0000 (UTC) Hi gang, is anybody using this unit? I like the delay units of the DL4 so i am trying to replace it with a rack unit along with amp simulations and other efx and minimize floor space and long runing cables,(i am not concern replacing the DL4s looping function since i use the EDP for it) i will most likely be doing the same with the floor GR-33 synth by getting the GI20 and some sort of synth module,it also saves setup time. ive gotten rid of my beloved roland GP-100 and been looking at the Boss GT-pro but in my opinion its delays arent as interesting as the DL4s. I am interested in its sound quality specially the delays ,reliability,etc.ive been to the HC reviews but i need as many user opinios from loopers as well. I know is a bit O.T. but you are welcome to write me directly. thanx Luis www.myspace.com/luisangulocom __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 4 12:39:32 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DA08C3BF2D; Sun, 4 Nov 2007 12:39:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: AW: Pod XT pro delays etc. Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2007 13:40:01 +0100 Organization: Moinlabs Message-ID: <001801c81edf$d13c4f30$1001a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <964439.30023.qm@web38615.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Thread-Index: Acge1VE+2Ue8NH7sQIGs2INZvhctLQACagVg X-RZG-AUTH: lUESeo99iNzPL8kuBgLYdKEqUywq9cxqeRA+BtFcSCD10+29g0ZJrwgdsg== X-RZG-CLASS-ID: mo07 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/75990 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2007 12:39:32 +0000 (UTC) Hi Luis, just dug out a review I wrote on Harmony Central when, back in 2004, I did test drive the PodXT Live (which I suspect is similar to the PodXT, although details may vary). Here are the passages which I deem to be of greatest importance: About adjusting parameters with a real-time controller: "The expression pedal and one additional pedal (not supplied) can be assigned to Wah, Volume and "Tweak". Tweak can adjust several parameters, several others not. This is especially stupid because none of the amp's parameters can be "tweaked". No footpedal-controlled drive." Tempo sync: "MIDI implementation: well, it can neither send nor receive MIDI clock. Which is a real pity, because both delay and mod effects can be synced to the tapped tempo, so a MIDI sync would've come in real handy." About quality of the effects: "I could not warm to the EQ - it does not sound the way either a typical guitarist's gear EQ nor a professional studio EQ nor a Tchebychev/Butterworth/Gauss model should sound. By choosing the algorithms for the stomp effect, I didn't quite grasp their approach: there are lots of non-working guitar synth "emulations", yet it is lacking i.e. the best models from the FM4 modeler. The mod effects were weak in the MM4, they are weak here. Driving a delay model (i.e. multi head) into saturation causes the thing to produce horrible artifacts and display CLIP. Neither the original Space Echo nor its model in Line6's DL4 did do this. Adjusting the delay time with contents in the delay doesn't work as smooth as with the DL4 (or with the originals), either. I could not warm to the reverbs other than the Fender Blackface model, which I personally like. I would've expected better delays. The wah...is okay. But why not include different wah models (i.e. choose between a Bad Horsie and a Dunlop and...). Or at least give me the possibility to adjust it. Mainly, this thing is cool for its amp and cabinet models. And they are cool." Rainer From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 4 13:46:17 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E20A33BF32; Sun, 4 Nov 2007 13:46:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=YJlgHjdyzrRispz1Qm7IijB2qwdNq4/w53DCFj+nB38EM0ZAoYE9dpzceLx3iCmLIvia5M/EBimtTdSPgvhorfBMzFA2CMe6P2kHjzzL6MwrdnCEOb1o0zZwPyIo4agelpktm4j4JE+vpQ2RdYmWL9Tk28F1+74a5i07cu0rguM=; X-YMail-OSG: kysmT0QVM1l5NNAOsg0lEk7qbJY3kvYYpQ3vOjC1MFvDCP2C0wsuyFM2iww.wJEhvNH2XKOO79bC0h0NkWdAVQKrEQZDz_yo5QCOZ5MLx.yKPmlN9p0- Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2007 05:46:14 -0800 (PST) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: Re: AW: Pod XT pro delays etc. To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <001801c81edf$d13c4f30$1001a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <654042.41398.qm@web38602.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/75991 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2007 13:46:17 +0000 (UTC) hmm thats a real pity,these are precisely the features i was interested in... i wonder if the rack echo pro has the same issue problems of the DL4 and would also need a mod i am using it with acoustic guitar so it has to be transparent when bypassed and id hate to have any gain loss. Cheers Rainer! Luis --- Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill wrote: > Hi Luis, > > just dug out a review I wrote on Harmony Central > when, back in 2004, I did > test drive the PodXT Live (which I suspect is > similar to the PodXT, although > details may vary). Here are the passages which I > deem to be of greatest > importance: > > About adjusting parameters with a real-time > controller: > "The expression pedal and one additional pedal (not > supplied) can be > assigned to Wah, Volume and "Tweak". Tweak can > adjust several parameters, > several others not. This is especially stupid > because none of the amp's > parameters can be "tweaked". No footpedal-controlled > drive." > > Tempo sync: > "MIDI implementation: well, it can neither send nor > receive MIDI clock. > Which is a real pity, because both delay and mod > effects can be synced to > the tapped tempo, so a MIDI sync would've come in > real handy." > > About quality of the effects: > "I could not warm to the EQ - it does not sound the > way either a typical > guitarist's gear EQ nor a professional studio EQ nor > a > Tchebychev/Butterworth/Gauss model should sound. By > choosing the algorithms > for the stomp effect, I didn't quite grasp their > approach: there are lots of > non-working guitar synth "emulations", yet it is > lacking i.e. the best > models from the FM4 modeler. The mod effects were > weak in the MM4, they are > weak here. Driving a delay model (i.e. multi head) > into saturation causes > the thing to produce horrible artifacts and display > CLIP. Neither the > original Space Echo nor its model in Line6's DL4 did > do this. Adjusting the > delay time with contents in the delay doesn't work > as smooth as with the DL4 > (or with the originals), either. > I could not warm to the reverbs other than the > Fender Blackface model, which > I personally like. I would've expected better > delays. > > The wah...is okay. But why not include different wah > models (i.e. choose > between a Bad Horsie and a Dunlop and...). Or at > least give me the > possibility to adjust it. > > Mainly, this thing is cool for its amp and cabinet > models. And they are > cool." > > Rainer > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 4 14:32:02 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B8AC83BF2E; Sun, 4 Nov 2007 14:32:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; bh=NavarRo+tsh+1f6q2KbKXRZBQG9+kfsej/8w+n609F0=; b=iRiJ+67Fyy3DuMGL4AnxN3/s9q/2YKIPM8GkqhRHXH700Jzwh0R7zDPtfrEoH/9fgAWKl/kBGXsdHkvqifesDdaXs3AaUc1Okeuj4LrMMNw8bV62C0Zjb4fl0zHpy3G/XOvXvaT4+UIPJr+Q11y557iVrQa2QHVWHUVd/jP6Dw0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=dHRAH7O2yanJaLTT91gAbY1v6Nu0BXtkVaDPwCTB8/dtw8E7MpKPdfUeAJmEg1Wp3OLgO91frzUxVw+SATT1RaKGWaAbsagte4uRy/hiPyyB/7fy9cvJmoJ+FLokDe9DN068BmJ2V/K40lq5a3Q4OEKLWaq373J5XK0LrT0zCpY= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <472D926E.2010009@tiscali.co.uk> References: <20071104043724.C08CB3BEF8@arsenic.violacea.com> <472D926E.2010009@tiscali.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: FlyLoops and electronic instruments Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2007 15:31:57 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/75992 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2007 14:32:02 +0000 (UTC) >> ......or rather "Mute" as I prefer. This implies that the muted >> loop keeps up with the time-line of the music and will still be >> in musical sync when brought back into the sounding mix. Mobius >> offers different modes of muting, which I think is brilliant; >> when you unmute the loop again you can ... On 4 nov 2007, at 10.35, andy butler wrote: > well ;-) > let's not forget that this brilliance belongs to Matthias Grob who > programmed the EDP. Certainly! I just took that for understood, kind of forgetting that this thread is also read by newcomers that don't know the history of the EDP looping context. I for one should thank Matthias for inventing all this! ;-) ...as Mobius originally started as project of Jeff Larsen to see if it would be possible to implement the EDP functionality, only from reading the EDP manual and coding its functions for Windows. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 4 15:32:59 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BC01C3BF3A; Sun, 4 Nov 2007 15:32:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: From: James Richmond To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <964439.30023.qm@web38615.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v912) Subject: Re: Pod XT pro delays etc. Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2007 10:32:55 -0500 References: <964439.30023.qm@web38615.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.912) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/75993 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2007 15:32:59 +0000 (UTC) > Hi gang, > is anybody using this unit? I like the delay units of > the DL4 so i am trying to replace it with a rack unit > along with amp simulations and other efx and minimize > floor space and long runing cables,(i am not concern > replacing the DL4s looping function since i use the > EDP for it) Hi, I can probably assist here. I have a quite a few guitar processors- the Pod Pro XT is pretty cool- it does have strengths and weaknesses though. The delays are on par with the Echo Pro (which I also use) and the modulation effects are wonderful. I would highly recommend the 4 expansion packs- particularly the fx pack. There are a whole bunch of gnarly synth tones in there that are a staple for me for wild guitar tones. The 'metal' pack has a model of a couple of Engl amps that I use anytime a modern rock tone is required. I've done many sessions with those models despite having a bunch of tube amps (Mesa/Fenders/Marshalls)- it isn't always the right tone but with a bit of tweaking you can get some astonishing results. A note regarding the record-ability. As an engineer I find getting distorted Pod tones to be difficult to get to fit in a mix the way a guitar tone should. If you aren't doing a lot of recording then you probably don't need to worry- but the problem is in the converters, I believe- they are grainy and flabby sounding compared to other converters. The work around is to DI the guitar into your DAW and run the Pod Pro XT via the AES/EBU IO. It makes all the difference. Regards, Jim Richmond From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 4 15:34:44 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DCE133BF36; Sun, 4 Nov 2007 15:34:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Sun, 04 Nov 2007 11:34:48 -0500 From: Bill Fox Subject: Galactic Travels Playlist #553 for November 1, 2007 To: undisclosed-recipients: ; Message-id: <472DF4A8.10102@soundscapes.us> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.12 (Windows/20070509) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/75994 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2007 15:34:43 +0000 (UTC) http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2007/071101.html Galactic Travels is an electronic, ambient, and space music show, that airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA, 93.9 FM in Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ, 93.7 FM in Fogelsville and Trexlertown, and webcasting on the internet. WDIY also broadcasts in Digital HD at 88.1 FM. Show #553 November 1, 2007 RECAP: On this show, I began a month-long focus on Paul Ellis. The Featured CD at Midnight was "Appears to Vanish" on NeuHarmony Records. I also played the music of Radio Massacre International, a group from the that will be in an area concert on the 17th. Details are on the events page. Paul Ellis: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2007/focus.html#nov RMI: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/events.html#gather PLAYLIST: 11:04 pm ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ==================== ==================== ============================== Kevin Braheny Starflight 1 * Galaxies (Hearts of Space) William Edge The End of Galaxy 10 Soundchamber (Sounds Blue) Joint Intelligence Flipflopside Live Workshop #1 (none) Committee Fulton and Reaves Endless Range and The Range (Binary) Time Fulton and Reaves Fascination The Range (Binary) Fulton and Reaves Blinded By Time The Range (Binary) Fulton and Reaves Troubled Skies The Range (Binary) Radio Massacre Searching Septentrional (DiN) Septentrional Skies 12:00 am ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ==================== ==================== ============================== Paul Ellis Part 1 Appears to Vanish (Binary) Paul Ellis Part 2 Appears to Vanish (Binary) Paul Ellis Part 3 Appears to Vanish (Binary) Paul Ellis Mysterious Sketches Appears to Vanish (Binary) 1:00 am * = excerpt VA = Various Artists (compilation) ++ = Advance CDR from Artist -- = Background music under interview NEXT SHOW: On the next Galactic Travels, I'll continue the month-long focus on Paul Ellis. The Featured CD at Midnight will be "Into the Liquid Unknown" on Binary Records. Bill ======================================================================= Host of Galactic Travels, an electronic, ambient, and space music show, Thursdays at 11:04 pm EDT (GMT-4:00) on WDIY 88.1 FM in Allentown and Bethlehem, 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg, and on 93.7 FM in Trexlertown and Fogelsville. WDIY also broadcasts in HD Digital Radio on 88.1 FM. Galactic Travels web site: http://galactictravels.info MySpace: http://myspace.com/galactictravels RSS News Feed: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/rss/enews.xml Podcasts: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/rss/gt.xml Listen on-line to WDIY at http://wdiy.org and click on the LISTEN link or go directly to: http://rm1.refugemedia.com/ramgen/encoder/wdiy.rm To subscribe to the galactic-travels mailing list, click on [Join This Group!] at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/galactic-travels Playlists are also published at http://billfox.blogspot.com RSS (2.0) feed from http://billfox.blogspot.com/rss.xml Atom (0.3) feed from http://billfox.blogspot.com/atom.xml From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 4 15:52:55 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9813B3BF42; Sun, 4 Nov 2007 15:52:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; bh=YDpEXye0enzQiRAgKb7khswPSkankMx3nRqaePmFOb4=; b=P/zA+juamv1MB8QnzhjaPSBwFdhz2WSk80/Ldmvk3noPCQnVjNh52JX2qtBReM1wZQJwTfRLsll1AREeH8ehF0WZXnOwFnMVVID0WmiW/flAMJrSqcusrc6y/niYmD7JNtaQim0MRAmW3+yTqdKqShL2Dy1XACbALS+f8ihZ23k= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=RfjLjY5y8aMtvtsL3FJiVypIFmn4JedVVi3IFvdeGrKIYHHKsMGuG2tRX8N2l79TUIzPAQW/09pQKW0WaFSPS4zM/Ck5hwmk+X/WCocUhb/+ArGC1k29NUth+iUb7m1ShOJKJydvyb5+IvsYwCIydE+GDQveeVDtQo6kq9NQB7U= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <20071104043724.C08CB3BEF8@arsenic.violacea.com> References: <20071104043724.C08CB3BEF8@arsenic.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: FlyLoops and electronic instruments Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2007 16:52:49 +0100 To: Loopers X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/75995 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2007 15:52:55 +0000 (UTC) On 4 nov 2007, at 05.37, Aaron Leese wrote: >> Except that back then I called it "latching" ..... this is ideal =20 >> for a >> phrase that comes in on ... say ... the third beat of a 4/4 =20 >> measure ... but >> repeats every 8 measures .... you only want it to cut in/out on =20 >> the 3rd beat >> ... but you want it to be as long as the master (or 2,3,4 .. times =20= >> as long). >> >> For me this one is a big deal because a lot of jazz tunes have =20 >> melodies >> beginning on a downbeat other that the 1st ... and you want to be =20 >> able to >> move seamlessly from playing that melody to not .... but without =20 >> trailing >> notes ....... >> >> Make sense? > Definitely! That's a very good functionality for splitting parts =20 (that should sync musically but start at different points) over many =20 parallel loops and using a "lead in" before the first downbeat of the =20= master loop. You can do this with Multiply on one track ( =3D one loop) in Mobius, =20= and the EDP, by Cycle or SubCycle (Mobius only) as the quantize value =20= for setting the point where you go in and out of Multiply Mode. > >>> GROUP LOOPING: >>> Can mobius specify which audio stream to record by device .. =20 >>> such as, when receiving a certain command ... I record only the =20 >>> left audio source (which happens to be, say, the drums) ... I =20 >>> sync it according to the sync setting >> >> Yes. By scripting almost every command or function in Mobius can be >> combined in any way. If running Mobius VST you just have to assign >> the different inputs of the laptops audio interface to different >> Mobius track inputs. Routings can be set to change on given MIDI >> event inputs. Personally I do this in Plogue Bidule, which is my >> preferred VST host application. >> > > Hmmm .... surprising, then, that we haven't seen more true group =20 > looping > experiments .... and let me be very clear ... I do NOT mean two or =20 > more > people were one lays down a loop and others try to follow ..... I =20 > mean an > environment were more than one person lay down loops that are =20 > synced with > one another .... certainly mobius is capable of that ..... do you =20 > have any > examples of it ??? It's obvious what you mean by "Group Looping". I have not done that =20 with Mobius myself, but another Swedish duo http://petfred.se/ is =20 doing this with Mobius (i.e. two players manipulate their own =20 dedicated tracks of one Mobius instance in a way similar to running =20 one looper each in sync). I did this kind of group looping in 2003 with Rick Walker and =20 Matthias Grob when we were all three of us using Echoplexes and =20 connecting them for "Brother Sync". EDP Brother Sync do not divide =20 the players into Master vs Slave but rather simply creates a global =20 time base as soon as one of the BrotherSynced players creates a first =20= loop. Other players can then use different settings of "8ths Per =20 Cycle" to decide on what syncing resolution they want to jam under. =20 Each connected EDP may still be running at a unique BPM, although it =20 has to relate in some way to the global time base. This means each =20 individual user can run a MIDI Clock Sync output from his local EDP =20 to give a tempo for his own local rig of slaved MIDI devices. It also =20= means that one user may, at any point during the jam, multiply or =20 divide the tempo for his local MIDI Clock synced devices by, for =20 example, changing his EDP's setting from "8ths Per Cycle =3D 16" to =20 "8ths Per Cycle =3D 12" (this particular example would produce a =20 "slowing up" three-based beat feel). Personally I also like to play live looping together with people that =20= are not syncing up with my rig at all. This calls for listening =20 carefully to each other and also having access to "re-trigger all =20 loops instantly" pedals and fast strategies to create a new loop of a =20= different length on-the-fly. I kind of like when two, or three (but =20 not more) loopers keep on going in and out of musical sync. It's =20 sometimes nice hearing a poly rhythm that is not detectable according =20= to musical theory. > For example ..... say ..... rick walker lays down a quick 1 measure =20= > drum > lick ... > Then per boysen lays down a 5 measure flute ostinato .... > Then Arild lays down a 10 measure bass line ... > Then they take turns jamming over it ....... What you are describing here is an EDP armed trio jamming with =20 Brother Sync (also Matthias Grob's brain child). > >>> STACK: Flyloops lets you stack on loops individually ... with >>> whatever >>> decay you wish ... I imagine mobius is the same. >> >> I'm afraid I don't understand what you mean by "stack on loops >> individually"? >> > > I'm not sure, but I think we are mis-communicating here .... > Here is what I mean: Three loops on different tracks ..... > > Tracks: 1 2 3 4 5 > Loops: A A(s) - A - > > So there are three recorded loops on three separate tracks, playing in > parallel .. but one is stacking (overdubbing ... with a decay rate) =20= > on just > one of them (track 2, maybe ... hence the "s" above) ..... leaving =20 > the other > untouched. So one and three play as usual .... 2 stacks with a =20 > decay rate. > > If you are unclear on this ... please listen to that recording I =20 > posted a > few days ago .... I make heavy use of this technique. Ok, I see what you mean now. Yes, I do that very much with Mobius (as =20= I did in the past when I was using multiple synced hardware loopers). Here's one quick example of how I use this in Mobius, combined with =20 some other features: I'm using three parallel loops (track 1, 2, 3). The three loops are =20 of different lengths in a musically pleasant way (according to my =20 tastes, others might disagree...) like for example 100%, 75% and =20 125%. I have one track selected, which means every command I give =20 affects this loop. The other two loops I have "Grouped" (or "Focus =20 Locked" as it's also called in Mobius); with my preferred Mobius =20 setup this means that only four commands will affect these two tracks: - SUS Substitute (substituting old audio with new for a quantized =20 slice of the loop). - Next Loop, Previous Loop - Go directly to any loop (I always use maximum 5 loops per track). - Rate Shift (used to play "chord changes" melodies over loops) So If I press the SUS Substitute button for a long time I will put =20 new audio into all three loops. If I press the SUS Substitute button =20 for just a "quick dot" I will replace a short slice of audio in all =20 three loops; and since they are not of the same length this simple =20 action will result in a rhythm as the three loops will play back that =20= slice at different points in time. I can also use the Rate Shift =20 buttons (set up as a Moog Bass Pedals) to play "chord changes" with =20 the three loops; sometimes when I do that I need to realign them =20 afterwards to get back into the preferred poly rhythmic interplay. =20 The "Moog Bass Pedals" FCB1010 set-up is not quantized in Mobius, so =20 sometimes I mess up the sync timing between the loops; to prevent =20 "too lousy beats" I have added a "Realign All Loops" command to the =20 command I use to bring the pitch back to the tonica (Rate Shift =3D 0) >>> CONSOLIDATE: consolidate loops ... select three and make them one. >>> I don=92t know if mobius does this .... ? >> >> Yes it does. See "Bounce" in the manual. The Bounce function works >> perfectly, except for the fact that it does change the global tempo >> base for the looping session. > > Why would it change the global tempo for this ??? I think I don't > understand ........ Because the tempo/timing base in Mobius is "8ths Per Cycle". One =20 "Cycle" is the length of the first loops you record. Then you can =20 make the loop longer by multiplying it, but the original cycle length =20= is still the same. If you are using Cycle as the quantize setting for =20= changing loop (as in "Next Loop") it's important that the original =20 cycle length is kept the same all through the performance session. =20 This is where the recent implementation of Bounce fails in Mobius. >>> SAVING: >>> it records to two files ... one which is live input (The solos >>> being played) >>> the other is flyloops output .. the loops (after volume, etc. >>> adjustments). >> >> Whoops... what about if you want to record parallel loops as parallel >> audio files? I mean, you may want to mix the session properly in a =20= >> DAW. >> > > Yes... it does that too ... I call that "save loops" instead of "save > session". Usually its good to do both ... then you end up with a =20 > number of > small loop wav files ..... plus a longer live recording of what the =20= > looper > itself was playing at any given time .... plus a recording of what the > musician(s) was/were playing at any given time .... > > Make sense? This way you have a lot of versatility when editing .... Yes, this makes perfectly sense to me! I have actually plans to set =20 that up with Bidule (with a "Record stream to audio file" Bidule =20 object on each Mobius Track output), but my recent looping laptop is =20 not powerful enough to handle it (1 core 2 GHz Intel Centrino). So at =20= the moment I'm piping each track digitally over ADAT into Logic on =20 another computer to record the session in real-time. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 4 18:43:54 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 958443BED8; Sun, 4 Nov 2007 18:43:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: References: <20071104043724.C08CB3BEF8@arsenic.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <36CDAA4F-55FB-4430-84F3-F42F7DC59B9E@zonemobius.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Jeffrey Larson Subject: Re: FlyLoops and electronic instruments Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2007 12:42:26 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - esc25.midphase.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - zonemobius.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/75996 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2007 18:43:54 +0000 (UTC) Per has already responded well to several points, I'll just add a few things. > I know mobius can handle multiple loops in parallel, as can flyloops ... and > I think the approaches we use are somewhat similar ... From what I have read, it appears that Flyloops is designed more for "arrangement" looping in the vein of Ableton Live but with what is commonly called "first loop capability". You record fragments of an arrangement and then combine them in various ways, maybe soloing over the top. Mobius is designed more for "evolving improvisational" loops that are recorded then modified over time with functions like overdub, insert, multiply, trim, replace, shuffle, and most important a feedback control that lets the loop layers decay gradually while you overdub. What Flyloops calls "loops" is what Mobius calls "tracks". What Flyloops calls "A->B" is what Mobius calls "loops" with the LoopCount parameter limited to 2. Flyloops doesn't appear to have the concept of what Mobius calls "layers", an infinite history of the evolution of the loop that you can move around in with the Undo and Redo functions. To draw a hardware comparison, Mobius is obviously closest to multiple synchronized EDPs where Flyloops is closest to the Looperlative. > - full sync - meaning start/stop recording only at the masters loop boundary > .. so all loops start/stop with the master, and are a multiple of the master > loops length This is what Mobius calls "Track Sync". The recording of one track can start and end at a certain location in the master track. This is often the master track start point, but it can also be a subdivision of the master track (cycles and subcycles). > - partial sync - start recording whenever I tap in, but when I tap out .. > wait until the loop is some multiple of the masters length ... so all loops > are a multiple of the length ... but will start/stop only at a particular > offset to the master. If I understand correctly, this is closest to what Mobius would call a Time Copy to get an empty loop in sync with the master, followed by an Overdub or Multiply to begin recording into the empty loop at the current offset. To do this in Mobius with one switch press you would have to write a script. > TEMPO/PITCH SHIFT: > I haven't programmed this yet... so currently there is no tempo or pitch > shifting There are two fundamental concepts here. One is "rate shift" which is a change in playback rate similar to a variable speed control on a tape deck or turntable. This changes the tempo and pitch at the same time. The other is "pitch shift" which involves complex DSP algorithms to change the perceived pitch without changing the tempo. The two can be combined to get "time stretch" which is a change in tempo that does not change the pitch. Time stretch is one of the holy grails of looping but it is difficult to do because the algorithms that sound best require too much CPU to be done in real time on an average PC. The ones that can be done in real time don't sound as good. It is a tradeoff and doing it well requires a fairly detailed knowledge of DSP algorithms like FFTs and filters. One of the better implementations is found in Ableleton Live. The recently announced Virtual Repeater will probably do this well. Rate shift and time stretch also cause enormous complications if you are trying to support external synchronization with a MIDI clock or a VST host. > TAP TEMPO: > Mobius does this ... Flyloops will, once pitch/tempo shift is complete. Mobius does not support tap tempo in the sense that you can record a loop, then tap two switches to change the tempo of the loop without changing pitch. > And .... you could set up an external > source to trigger the rec button ... so sync that way .... but you could NOT > track to an external drum machine as you changed tempo for example. Syncing to a drum machine is more complicated than automating the record button even if you are not changing the tempo. Since the two devices are not driven from the same clock they will eventually drift apart. Doing this properly requires the looper to continually monitor the MIDI clock stream and make periodic adjustments when it notices a drift. > VST: > flyloopscannot run as a VST (yet). Some friendly advice...you will have far more commercial interest if you provide VST support rather than Rewire support. Rewire is not nearly as flexible as VST for the user. But I am interested in knowing if Propellerhead grants you a license. I gave up on that awhile ago because of their policy of not granting licenses to "individuals". You have to convince them you are a "company" though they don't define exactly what that means. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 4 18:56:55 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0B9FB3BF50; Sun, 4 Nov 2007 18:56:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; bh=R1GhRv38YF+JtxnIcKzazSdT0P2+jqG0/zQ7hPjr3xU=; b=J/RW8u4ICTLUrj8D/4l8F8uL0B4+QzJzWcQ6KCISxwTCD293wR9eOhcJKx3zPMoNMGZjwUVbUTchHrfk3TMUTDyJ0ze7xC+0wcGesZZQtPvhutuY1ee9CYbhJbDO40e4EdatzKLSOtqiXXKxElwc1Ub9sSkrVD/nTrXPZldixtY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=M0fEjddBcyBcidIau27g/qP4djCTMQhW6jruRMf0/fk6Nrek9gAd1JqB0WcKl+bKV0ItTqnf9jW1fSfH4G/J2EoseAHvEaBZ3dHRtwgjVRuyD7NbDbLwn6wzWC3j+vFFhh8cCXW+36nwcUZYi+2N3EOOCgFfhKRjCUlYUROWT5w= Message-ID: <4759e5740711041056r7c04a3bfw15a176e8b1650b38@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2007 13:56:53 -0500 From: "todd reynolds" Reply-To: todd@toddreynolds.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Steve Reich in Paris and other Concerts in France as well MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_18059_8056964.1194202613082" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/75997 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2007 18:56:55 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_18059_8056964.1194202613082 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Hey all, a quick note to all of our European members... I'll be in France for the next two weeks with Steve Reich, touring The Cave= , his opera from the 90's, as well as playing one concert of Sextet, Drumming and Different Trains, so... If anyone is near, I'd love to meet you, If anyone is interested in coming to any of the concerts, please do let me know so that I could extend as much hospitality to you as possible in the way of comps. As the ensemble does not tour Europe nearly as much as it used to, and as someone who has been with Steve for the last 17 years, I can at least offer that the ensemble itself plays this music with a tremendous amount of heart and passion, and from most points of view is worth a visit. And for purely selfish reasons, I'd love to meet anyone from our community who I can, as I haven't been able to make it to one loopfest, and I don't know you all personally yet. Best way to reach me over there is todd@toddreynolds.com with warmth and smiles. Todd =3D=3D=3D=3D Here is the schedule as I understand it... *Thursday 8 November *20.00 THE CAVE (1) Theatre de Caen All *Saturday 10 November* 20.30 THE CAVE (2) Le Volcan, Le Havre All *Sunday 11 November* 7.00 CLAPPING MUSIC, DRUMMING Pt 1, SEXTET, Le Volcan, Le Havre MUSIC FOR PIECES OF WOOD, DIFFERENT TRAINS *Tuesday 13 November* 20.00 THE CAVE (3) Cit=E9 de la Musique, Paris All *Wednesday 14 November* 20.00 THE CAVE (4) Cit=E9 de la Musique, Paris All --=20 http://www.toddreynolds.com |: http://myspace.com/toddreynoldsmusic |: ------------------------------------------------------|: 917.576.6166 todd@toddreynolds.com toddreyn@gmail.com ------=_Part_18059_8056964.1194202613082 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Hey all, 

         
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