From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 1 02:25:44 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4793C3BEB9; Thu, 1 Nov 2007 02:25:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=LtIQdhr3D8HRBihVaj4VVwPpPfeQpE4eCBEeS1V/fWVxP+v4wNd408yHL5Bb4c7GNPFfdOi8XaWn44SGpv1EKeq3munYqiNfE0xah8+fOZbPyWbkZQRcCfeFlllpD3IzxEK54X356lKosK2BpYdrEVBthOXodQ1gN6Jq3btzWLI=; X-YMail-OSG: 5ine1E8VM1mbY3BtTiS6ukjTl1PbsU1XBLEEptEDao6yb4Z9pGM83pGMYr_l8U.4d03E.4ZdyQJiT37O7A35MGn_xFobsBm6Kez3EH4RdecF4cLQo27kdyw_Zg-- Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2007 19:25:41 -0700 (PDT) From: Dan Subject: My very good friend Michael Garfield incredible guitarist and his beautiful cause for the benefit of all :o) To: babycakes61_2000@yahoo.com, barebonesfilmfest@yahoo.com, Barbara Hill , Joe fretless bassist Ferrero , Johny Barbata , Sant Ananchai , ShIronbutterfly Ray , "bbactr4jc@juno.com" , Ben , Bethea Jenner , Jim and Belinda , Kaylie Bernhardt , Rochelle and Bethea , Valerio , Incite Bill and Carrie Mulder , Jennifer Bishop , Michael Bicknell , Bob Weigel , Brett Bower , Mesa Boogie , Ally Sutton , Brian Good , jim butcher , Natalie Business MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <26809.29728.qm@web34209.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/75896 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2007 02:25:44 +0000 (UTC) Share Daniel posted a link. 8:57pmMichael Garfield & Zaadz Visionary Music - Home Page http://michaelgarfield.zaadz.c... 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Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 1 02:37:07 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 90DFF3BED8; Thu, 1 Nov 2007 02:37:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=wfATqpi30kZgWVWGj6jAz9pdAwWgyNI/uF3sBL6RsaTuGG978v0/mMIsJ3WyQ0zmwy0Qk0yOsRkvjEhKvsBN1fE9bhIkSHXM6PBxH3KYa9X6CwC1cZJvO72KN6ajYR5aZDYn0dET1DogJfRwXftCLpxWYfT6ZyYn4HqYDKwe6RU=; X-YMail-OSG: jW6ZXe0VM1m2fE9AP4tDcbjKO6iLIrPVcojriqEM5jI6PSDY0EIzAjAm8_EioMveHUG.TNyXRN4vt.ET2zBu9EdrxoE_iLCZ7FLxZ2tEApjetFOKSIkDfJp82A-- Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2007 19:37:05 -0700 (PDT) From: Dan Subject: My very good friend Michael Garfield incredible guitarist and his beautiful cause for the benefit of all :o) To: Walker James , Eric Redlhammer , faithdriven1@sbcglobal.net, June Favati , John Fittell , Mark White , Jeffrey Furst , Garrick Hudson , Gary Lehmann , Greg McDowell , Greg Melching , Jennifer Bishop , stan greve , Rick Hansen , Roy Hatcher , Todd Hallawell , Kevin Hiatt , Joel , Nattapong Assalee , "austin@starrfadu.net" , "babycakes61_2000@yahoo.com" , "barebonesfilmfest@yahoo.com" , Ben , Kaylie Bernhardt , Michael Bicknell , Brett Bower , Natalie Business , jim butcher , Jessie Canarte , Michael Chapdelaine , Christine Rage , Phil Clarkin , Darain Conrady , Natalie Cox , Elizabeth Darling , dawnua dawson , "deanal@skilonline.com" , Joe fretless bassist Ferrero , "jfreund@pittstate.edu" , "jlutt69@yahoo.com" , "John Vs.the Jukebox" , "keith@kmarshall.com" , Joe Klinkon , Marci Klotz , Lisa , Starrfadu News , JP Nickel , JP Nickel , JP Nickel , Doug or Marsha Phillips , "raineyamanda@hotmail.com" , ShIronbutterfly Ray , Rhonda , Sant Ananchai , Jeff Scheetz , Nathan Shaver , Lemuel Shepherd , Naoki Shimodate , Neona Smith , Paul Sutoris , "John,Sandy,Sunny Thompson" , Mindy Townsend , "tykorandia@hotmail.com" , Valerio , "willaalbertini52@yahoo.com" , Ziggy , 3DCNCInstruments , Derrick Able , Kevin Arensman , Johnathon Lloyd Artz , Johny Barbata , Jim and Belinda , Mesa Boogie , Jessee Canarte , Kassandra Charboneau , The Clampdown , Kyle Dillingham , Drew musiciansfriendemp , "experienceincite@aol.com" , Brian Good , Rochelle Gordon , Barbara Hill , Bethea Jenner MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <399796.39375.qm@web34212.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: <2oFAXC.A.0rG.TvTKHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/75897 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2007 02:37:07 +0000 (UTC) Share Daniel posted a link. 8:57pmMichael Garfield & Zaadz Visionary Music - Home Page http://michaelgarfield.zaadz.c... 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Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 1 04:20:54 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7D9383BED6; Thu, 1 Nov 2007 04:20:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4729541B.2020108@mhorse.com> Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2007 22:20:43 -0600 From: Daryl Shawn User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.13 (Windows/20070809) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: square waves References: <20071031214742.CEC8B3BED8@arsenic.violacea.com> In-Reply-To: <20071031214742.CEC8B3BED8@arsenic.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/75898 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2007 04:20:54 +0000 (UTC) On the old David Torn instructional video, he mentions the oscillator in the machine and demonstrates its effect with some harmonized delays. Forgive my ignorance, but is an LFO present as a controller for any sort of time-based modulation, i.e., the rate control on a simple chorus pedal? Does every harmonizer have an LFO? And do looping machines such as the Repeater which offer some pitch control also have an LFO? Or is the PCM-42 unique in having this effect available in its delays/loops...? Daryl Shawn www.swanwelder.com www.chinapaintingmusic.com > The PCM-42 delay line has an LFO which is used to modulate the delay > line, it can be used to create flange, chorus or wobbly echos. It has > two waveforms available, triangle and square. If you use an expanded > memory PCM-42 and modulate your loop with the square wave the effect > will be similar to having someone switch the speed of a tape machine, > with dramatic jumps in pitch and speed. 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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 1 06:38:20 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AFD833BED2; Thu, 1 Nov 2007 06:38:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <4729541B.2020108@mhorse.com> References: <20071031214742.CEC8B3BED8@arsenic.violacea.com> <4729541B.2020108@mhorse.com> Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2007 02:36:13 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Charles Zwicky Subject: Re: square waves Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-ELNK-Trace: e070562f4b6af5994d2b10475b57112048c8d43c9a67c80835edf7d2dc3cab842d8a127e48a54451350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 69.86.253.94 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/75899 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2007 06:38:20 +0000 (UTC) Daryl, A chorus effect is nothing more than a short delay (5-20ms) in which the delay time is modulated by an LFO. The LFO in a chorus is usually a triangle wave, so that the delay time smoothly changes from the shortest to the longest time. Most 'harmonizer' type effects do not have an LFO, they use a different method to produce a steady pitch shift. The PCM-42 was designed as an early "multi purpose effect" if you will. By setting the delay time very very short (0 to 10ms) and modulating it slowly, you will produce flanging effects. A slightly longer delay (5-20ms) and a slightly faster modulation produces a "Chorus" effect. Most delay effects have some sort of modulation, but the PCM-42 was one of the few which has a square wave available in the LFO ina ddition to the triangle wave. >On the old David Torn instructional video, he mentions the >oscillator in the machine and demonstrates its effect with some >harmonized delays. Forgive my ignorance, but is an LFO present as a >controller for any sort of time-based modulation, i.e., the rate >control on a simple chorus pedal? Does every harmonizer have an LFO? >And do looping machines such as the Repeater which offer some pitch >control also have an LFO? Or is the PCM-42 unique in having this >effect available in its delays/loops...? > >Daryl Shawn >www.swanwelder.com >www.chinapaintingmusic.com > >>The PCM-42 delay line has an LFO which is used to modulate the >>delay line, it can be used to create flange, chorus or wobbly >>echos. It has two waveforms available, triangle and square. If you >>use an expanded memory PCM-42 and modulate your loop with the >>square wave the effect will be similar to having someone switch the >>speed of a tape machine, with dramatic jumps in pitch and speed. -- ... http://www.zmix.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 1 07:04:33 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DD2633BED2; Thu, 1 Nov 2007 07:04:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 395 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Thu, 01 Nov 2007 07:04:33 UTC DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=JLRhNRTa4ILygjyHsSrO4zqXoKD7qNayrSX4szTpumfrF9O163WeJelE0k6vbZRH; h=Received:Message-ID:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Message-ID: <01d901c81c5c$d0ea15b0$6401a8c0@ECCO> From: "JC" To: Subject: Looping Festival 2007 and saying hello to everyone Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2007 23:51:38 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_01CE_01C81C18.FA83BEB0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2739.300 X-ELNK-Trace: 250e53821a8c36f54d2b10475b571120e3eb23a37288a7a2fc81a97a0e77da398a4b8a4ee4b2abb2350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 69.181.225.103 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/75900 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2007 07:04:33 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_01CE_01C81C18.FA83BEB0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi all, I just subscribed to this list. I found out about it after performing at = the Looping Festival in Oakland. I would like to say hello to everyone here by sending a web page we made = about that night: http://www.deconstructionist.com/blacknote/loopingfest07.htm A little bit about me: I work a lot with loops, both live and in composition. My aesthetic = ranges from noise to calm drones to straightforward beats to = contemporary composition. You can find out a bit more about me and my work here: http://www.deconstructionist.com/blacknote/jc.htm I work in constant collaboration with others.=20 Some of our interactive graphic and sound experiments can be found here: www.allhaildiscordia.com Feel free to send me any comments, both on and off list.=20 JC Mendizabal Black Note Music http://www.blacknotemusic.com Via Sinistrae www.viasinistrae.com http://sinistrae.libsyn.com/ ------=_NextPart_000_01CE_01C81C18.FA83BEB0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi all,
 
I just subscribed to this list. I found = out about=20 it after performing at the Looping Festival in Oakland.
I would like to say hello to everyone = here by=20 sending a web page we made about that night:
htt= p://www.deconstructionist.com/blacknote/loopingfest07.htm
 
A little bit about me:
I work a lot with loops, both live and = in=20 composition. My aesthetic ranges from noise to calm drones=20 to straightforward beats to contemporary composition.
You can find out a bit more about me = and my work=20 here:
http://www.dec= onstructionist.com/blacknote/jc.htm
I work in constant collaboration with = others.=20
Some of our interactive graphic and = sound=20 experiments can be found here:
www.allhaildiscordia.com
 
Feel free to send me any comments, both = on and off=20 list.
 
JC Mendizabal
Black Note Music
http://www.blacknotemusic.com<= BR>Via=20 Sinistrae
www.viasinistrae.com
http://sinistrae.libsyn.com/
------=_NextPart_000_01CE_01C81C18.FA83BEB0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 1 08:23:57 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B3CBB3BED6; Thu, 1 Nov 2007 08:23:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 640480351-mk-filter-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com-B2C-$THROTTLED-DYNAMIC-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 79.66.161.153 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Aq4HAIgpKUdPQqGZ/2dsb2JhbACCKqVn Message-ID: <47298D43.1010506@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Thu, 01 Nov 2007 08:24:35 +0000 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: AXON AX 100(now RMC pickups) References: <804506.64843.qm@web38606.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <804506.64843.qm@web38606.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/75901 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2007 08:23:57 +0000 (UTC) The softer attack of the nylon strings works better with piezos, which tend to emphasize the attack. For a lot of people, the piezo "quack" rules out their use, although I understand that later designs are improved somewhat. (personally, I wouldn't be able to stand piezo on nylon, or at least it would take a lot of getting used to, but that's just me) andy butler L.A. Angulo wrote: > i was always under the impression that hexaphonic > pickups like the rmc would work better on a steel > string for its sustain,but most people that mention it > have it installed in their nylon acoustics,which seem > to be harder to amplify,off course the godins are a > whole different story but i wouldnt really consider > them a classic/flamenco guitar,they definetly got > their own sound going... > Luis > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 1 10:06:02 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 977393BECA; Thu, 1 Nov 2007 10:06:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Authenticated: #1228034 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX18WfAE+aIAWoKqoiKJwUegAXEXkJ2CUOCRhGef2HC A5jbogOO8anu3E Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <46517b063c53386d23c9d1b700f2af1d@gmx.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: nico spahni Subject: free impro featuring kaoss guitar Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2007 11:06:51 +0100 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/75902 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2007 10:06:02 +0000 (UTC) Hi folks Some of you may be interested in my new Kaoss pad-enhanced Yamaha Silent Guitar: www.recpro.ch/pictures/kaoss_silent_guitar.jpg I first toyed with it last Sunday in an informal impro session with a percussionist: www.recpro.ch/mp3/kaoss_guitar_impro.mp3 The sound quality is somewhat less than good but it'll give you an idea anyway. In the first 2 minutes I make extensive use of the programme "ring modulation". Cheers Nico www.recpro.ch www.myspace.com/nicospahni From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 1 10:40:10 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8953A3BECF; Thu, 1 Nov 2007 10:40:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2007 06:40:31 -0500 From: Bill Fox Subject: Listen to Afterglow and The AM/FM Show To: undisclosed-recipients: ; Message-id: <472869AF.3080108@soundscapes.us> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.12 (Windows/20070509) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/75903 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2007 10:40:10 +0000 (UTC) AFTERGLOW ON WMUH: http://soundscapes.us/afterglow ======================================================================= Afterglow airs from 8:00 am to 9:30 am every Thursday morning. Tune in for a delightful mix of eclectic musical genres including a healthy dose of Progressive Rock. Tune in at 91.7 FM or on the internet at: http://muhlenberg.edu/wmuh Afterglow is now on MySpace at http://myspace.com/afterglowonwmuh where you can become a friend of the show. GALACTIC TRAVELS ON WDIY: http://galactictravels.info ======================================================================= Tonight at 11 pm on Galactic Travels, I'll begin a month-long Special focus on Paul Ellis from Washington state. The Featured CD at Midnight will be "Appears to Vanish" on NeuHarmony Records. For details, see the Special Focus page at: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2007/focus.html#nov I will be playing music by Radio Massacre International who are coming over from the UK to play at The Gatherings concert series. 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Listen on-line to WDIY at http://wdiy.org and click LISTEN or go directly to: http://rm1.refugemedia.com/ramgen/encoder/wdiy.rm Listen on-line to WMUH at http://www.muhlenberg.edu/wmuh and click the REAL AUDIO link or go directly to: rtsp://helix.muhlenberg.edu:554/broadcast/live.rm From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 1 11:40:15 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 00E713BEDE; Thu, 1 Nov 2007 11:40:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: <20071029164030.urp55kkh1cwcs0kc@69.89.21.76> References: <20071029164030.urp55kkh1cwcs0kc@69.89.21.76> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <439C594C-3652-4DF8-AF72-98AC28D3B83A@mac.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Chuck Silva Subject: Re: new composition influenced by looping and some ramblings Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2007 07:40:02 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/75904 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2007 11:40:14 +0000 (UTC) Kevin! What a lovely composition "The Sad Little Ghost" is! Did you compose all of it? If so I'd b very interested to know some details. For example: What DAW do you use? What soft synths if any are you using? Apparently you are a trained musician? Do you compose the bulk of your music on a Keyboard-Theremin? Who are you and what planet are you from? From Jazz to classical and in between, I'd say it's safe to say that most all modern music is being influenced by technology-looped typed music being at the heart of it. After all art is a reflection of who we are as a culture-where ever one may dwell. As hard as I try to be forward thinking and open to new and progressive music, it's refreshing to hear something inspired in the more conventional manner. Indeed it seems to me it is best to be trained in convention. Then one can take that power and push the envelope. Thank you for sharing that 'oh my god soooooo awesome music'! :-) Peace. http://www.myspace.com/chucksilva Chuck Silva On Oct 29, 2007, at 5:40 PM, kkissinger@kevinkissinger.com wrote: > Hi, > > I'd like to share my latest composition with you entitled "The Sad > Little Ghost". > > http://kevinkissinger.com/sadlittleghost.shtml > > This is the first non-looping work I've composed for nearly a year > however I think my work with live looping has influenced my non- > looped work in a few ways, namely: > > 1) the orchestral tracks are minimal and utilize repetition -- > similar to looped material > > 2) the lead (theremin) part is economical -- eschewing "fireworks" > and focusing on expressive sustained notes. > > I am grateful to the folks on the LD list for MANY ideas that have > become part of my musical vocabularly. A few recent examples: > > . in my organ improvisations I am much more inclined to play in a > "looped" style... while I am not looping via hardware I often build > a motive and then just keep it going in my left (or right) hand and > then weave melodies around it with my spare hand or feet. (I don't > know if the church I play at is ready for hardware looping... > however I may try it sometime **grins** ) > > . last Sunday, at the end of one improv, I played a single note > melody alone on a plantive stop... this was an idea suggested on > the LD list. And, why not? With loop devices we can turn one-note- > a-time instruments into ensembles. Why not do the opposite and > play a polyphonic instrument as if it is a mono instrument? > > Folks commented that my set at the Y2K7 Loopfest sounded > "orchestral" -- and I think that my interest in ensemble texture > influenced that. I have found over the last year that my looped > and non-looped work influence each other. > > The Y2K7 Loopfest was like a massive recharge to my musical > batteries. It was a chance to just sit back and soak up music from > everyone. I think the word "unique" is overused in the music biz > however each set WAS unique and each was high-quality. > > In particular, one of the challenges with looped music and with > music in general is to create effective endings. To see the > different approaches to this aspect of looping was enlightening, to > say the least. Incidentally, the ending to "The Sad Little Ghost" > just flew into my DAW ... no struggle. > > Forgive my rambling here. Though it has been a week since the > loopfest, I am still on a real "high" from it and look forward to > creating a lot of new looped and non-looped music as a result. > > -- Kevin > From nobody@server.online-ventures.net Thu Nov 1 13:13:19 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 49961 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Thu, 01 Nov 2007 13:13:19 UTC Received: from server.online-ventures.net (server.online-ventures.net [69.57.154.47]) by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 46D823BEB8 for ; Thu, 1 Nov 2007 13:13:14 +0000 (UTC) Received: from nobody by server.online-ventures.net with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1InMrI-0002c1-Dm for looparc@loopers-delight.com; Wed, 31 Oct 2007 18:20:24 -0500 To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Subject: You have a security message alert ! 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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 1 13:20:51 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BA43C3BED2; Thu, 1 Nov 2007 13:20:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-SBRS: None X-SenderGroup: RELAYLIST X-MailFlowPolicy: $RELAYED X-MID: 691310746 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: AXON AX 100 Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2007 13:20:49 -0000 Message-ID: <1BB076E4C332F9469148F41725F17A7205D80EA2@MTVNE-EXCLUST02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> In-Reply-To: <641CEFFC7E5B6C42AB59539653FD08238E2E73@wcu-ex-emp2.PASSHE.LCL> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: AXON AX 100 Thread-Index: AcgcigTVMnJbH6sfSiCe7pscyRXn+g== References: <641CEFFC7E5B6C42AB59539653FD08238E2E73@wcu-ex-emp2.PASSHE.LCL> From: "Goddard, Duncan" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Nov 2007 13:20:49.0763 (UTC) FILETIME=[0527FB30:01C81C8A] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/75905 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2007 13:20:51 +0000 (UTC) >>I have an older Roland GI-10. Everyone that has used the Axon and the Roland GI-10 or -20 says the Axon is better.<< I have an axon 50, which is being knocked out at a very good price both in the uk & the us at the moment. it has no onboard sounds, & works with the roland gk pickups.=20 I also have an old GI-10, & with guitar the axon is *significantly* more reliable. in fact, I hooked up my old sunn strat to it & found I didn't need to make any adjustments besides putting it into guitar-mode. besides this, it's much easier (with a mac or pc hooked up to it) to get it to operate different zones on the fretboard, & also to do different things depending where you pick. this latter is untested in my setup, but I'm anxious to give it a go & will report when I have. I bought the axon because I've been using a couple of peavey midibases; one of them is actually a decent bass aswell (the serial numbers are three apart, but the difference in tone is marked), but is still no match for a decent fender or rickenbacker, & I hate to leave my good basses at home & gig the peavey when the midi component of what I do is quite minimal. but so far, with the ax50 in proper adjustment, I have had trouble with (bizarrely) the higher notes on the g string; it wraps around to the octave below at around the 10th fret. everywhere else, it tracks pretty good (remember, I have been spoiled by the peavey, which uses split-frets switching). I am using a roland gk2b (a hexaphonic p/u designed for aircraft-carrier bass sixers); the only problem here is that the front panel connector on the ax50 is a little insubstantial. hope this is useful somehow. duncan. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 1 13:33:33 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 275613BECD; Thu, 1 Nov 2007 13:33:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=n2ptG7tabgKjgCK4RGVrSyL8NeAT7YYLuC4yjrTutaDCdlChc53ZGfoQS/wLwYuKqGJMDwK0ptO7l6U9WJvfRUnzaIWmvkZfTHXhFXxjjdKoUlsdBRiAnOEwKeCWAkDFYiRgV/H/6Jh09oVfuJKqaXivrDiIBfwH0jXs9wGVNys=; X-YMail-OSG: yHEtbG0VM1k4LSjZwrAUwrJHfrWFik2OPIJ896e1OAj207S109UHt4RVLmp19znGnrmKiLhz3PZTiE8F6EcB7D9fsy4KJdDwIRth1iKY.r2ZPBXdYBU- Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2007 06:33:31 -0700 (PDT) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: Re: AXON AX 100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20071031134222.u6p62bvj0ggkksgs@www.wightman.ca> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <395157.72807.qm@web38601.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/75906 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2007 13:33:33 +0000 (UTC) Hey Paul, Just curious,who installed it for you? i tried finding somebody in california who would install the Graphtech or RMC system on my fernandes sustainer but they all seemed to shy away from doing it.Ive also havent found anybody here in germany yet who would do it if anybody has a link id aprreciate it! cheers Luis --- phaslem@wightman.ca wrote: > Hey Richard, > > If you think you are going to let the Axon go I'll > throw my name in > the hat of people that would be interested in it. > I'm currently using > a vg8-ex which doesn't have good synth sounds; I > love some of the > guitar patches though. > > Just for interest sake you can take a look at the > guitar I built with > the Graphtech pickups at > http://www.haslem.ca/pictures/ click on any > of the jpg files marked guitar. > > Sounds like you're going to have a busy year! I'm > starting to work on > a new hammered dulcimer cd that will involve looping > guitar parts and > perhaps some dulcimer as well... Of course it will > feature the > hammered dulcimer.... In my case I'll be delighted > if I'm able to sell > a few hundred copies.... > > Regards, > > Paul Haslem > www.dulcify.ca > > > > Quoting Richard Sales : > > > > I guess to keep my karma clean I should pass on > the Roland GK1 pickup > > and the MIDI interface that goes with it. If any > of you want it and > > will pay shipping and boxing I'll send it to you. > I never used it. > > And.... it was given to me! If you want it let me > know. Only catch > > is, you can't turn around and sell it on Ebay! As > the natives say, > > "The gift must move." > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 1 13:33:53 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D43C33BED8; Thu, 1 Nov 2007 13:33:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-SBRS: None X-SenderGroup: RELAYLIST X-MailFlowPolicy: $RELAYED X-MID: 688014264 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: square waves/repeater Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2007 13:33:51 -0000 Message-ID: <1BB076E4C332F9469148F41725F17A7205D80EAE@MTVNE-EXCLUST02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> In-Reply-To: <4729541B.2020108@mhorse.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: square waves/repeater Thread-Index: Acgci9b2CoTtVlU4TEqXOcccTMUWww== References: <4729541B.2020108@mhorse.com> From: "Goddard, Duncan" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Nov 2007 13:33:52.0080 (UTC) FILETIME=[D7741500:01C81C8B] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/75907 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2007 13:33:53 +0000 (UTC) >>do looping machines such as the Repeater which offer some pitch control also have an LFO?<< no, but you've given me an idea, for which many thanks. the repeater can be made to respond to midi controllers, & so a sequencer playing back a midi controller with continuously varying value could be used to modulate things in the repeater. I'm going to try CC14, which is (IIRC) the newly available controller on the repeater that makes pitch & tempo change together... a few weeks ago, I was speculating here that this same controller could be used for fine adjustments of the loop playback.=20 we have a real drummer who can't or won't play to a click, but prefers to run the show himself & do all sorts of tempo changes during a piece with a repeater part that needs to be in sync. I figured if I heard him pulling ahead of the loop, or dropping behind it, I could send tiny amounts of CC14 to the repeater to advance or retard it. might have a go at that later too. d. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 1 15:27:56 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 35A093BECA; Thu, 1 Nov 2007 15:27:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <0b0701c81c9b$c5e7a3a0$32b3ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Y2K7 Recordings - Truth Revealed Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2007 09:27:52 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0B04_01C81C69.7A25A390" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/75908 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2007 15:27:56 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0B04_01C81C69.7A25A390 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Here is the real reason why I wanted to record Y2K7 with live mics = versus the high maintenance of direct from board recording. http://www.y2kloopfest.com/images/event/kris-sleeping-on-the-job.jpg =20 :) Kris ------=_NextPart_000_0B04_01C81C69.7A25A390 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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Mrs Pamela Hanson From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 1 16:19:23 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 029D03BEB6; Thu, 1 Nov 2007 16:19:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 623487014-mk-filter-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com-B2C-$THROTTLED-DYNAMIC-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 79.74.153.222 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Aq4HANqYKUdPSpne/2dsb2JhbACCKqVq Message-ID: <4729FCB0.5070900@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Thu, 01 Nov 2007 16:20:00 +0000 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: square waves (as VST) References: <002201c81bfa$f89f69f0$e9de3dd0$@com> In-Reply-To: <002201c81bfa$f89f69f0$e9de3dd0$@com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/75909 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2007 16:19:22 +0000 (UTC) Interesting, Henry Kaiser was using that effect in 1984 on his Solo Guitar album (now playing). Makes a lot more sense hearing it to know how he was doing that. So How much interest would there be for a vst plug-in that did that effect? ie, delay with square wave modulation. andy butler Qua Veda wrote: > At the Y2K7 loopfest, Henry Kaiser explained that he used square waves > to modulate a PCM 42 (lexicon fx processor) to create his loops. I > really liked his performance. Did I misunderstand him? Can anyone > explain how this is done? > > > > -Qua > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 1 17:08:03 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A36403BECC; Thu, 1 Nov 2007 17:08:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=5MLLsD9pA4jrOM4IToEVAClU1d7JXYsc7wYjEAwYC34=; b=HXvH7oJ4JA/CKM4k1NDAykFtPlfL3igwjtxDjE9hntcvaSQcYlFqOmmKuC1m9LIk3fPb3EOiRsN7s4cIvz+p8RoTIGygGE4O1Vj7Xj16TtuJFvfRPkATc77OVD9yXTXH2MzY0AA2IJzJbbaLHlmlxpBEnxwrLU/QcyQKuUpPZVk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=crYPL0n21EpWUeALipPZUBnHb+KDfcoPqlzOADBRaU1XHvw1k3cg2WJ/SJJWDHsT/tukcZRjUFVjaXTGFIdJDBmD8bVVSO+58Q8UUfvqk1A3YSTXTpMB5HrVX7jFyvpZMYQQLvl6qQRW/99c/NWKZhB+uhOGi4j2BdmHu82VEgo= Message-ID: Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2007 18:07:59 +0100 From: "Raul Bonell" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: new composition influenced by looping and some ramblings In-Reply-To: <439C594C-3652-4DF8-AF72-98AC28D3B83A@mac.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_10592_20013253.1193936879981" References: <20071029164030.urp55kkh1cwcs0kc@69.89.21.76> <439C594C-3652-4DF8-AF72-98AC28D3B83A@mac.com> Resent-Message-ID: <0cyerC.A.u-B.yfgKHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/75910 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2007 17:08:03 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_10592_20013253.1193936879981 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Lovely as others stated. Hi Kevin, How about aesthetics? I know some contemporary composers refused the use of the theremin as a "tempered" instrument, triying to emulate, regular stringed instruments or so... Which are your opinions about? Never listened a theremin player live, but it seems to me that it's much more difficult o play "in tune" with a beast like that, than just making "glissandi" sounds... I supose it's just the melody on top what you played with it.. isn't? Interesting instrument & great player so far! Thx, R. 2007/11/1, Chuck Silva : > > Kevin! > > What a lovely composition "The Sad Little Ghost" is! > > Did you compose all of it? > > If so I'd b very interested to know some details. > > For example: > > What DAW do you use? > > What soft synths if any are you using? > > Apparently you are a trained musician? > > Do you compose the bulk of your music on a Keyboard-Theremin? > > Who are you and what planet are you from? > > From Jazz to classical and in between, I'd say it's safe to say that > most all modern music is being influenced by technology-looped typed > music being at the heart of it. > > After all art is a reflection of who we are as a culture-where ever > one may dwell. > > As hard as I try to be forward thinking and open to new and > progressive music, it's refreshing to hear something inspired in the > more conventional manner. > > Indeed it seems to me it is best to be trained in convention. Then > one can take that power and push the envelope. > > Thank you for sharing that 'oh my god soooooo awesome music'! :-) > > Peace. > > http://www.myspace.com/chucksilva > > Chuck Silva > > > > > On Oct 29, 2007, at 5:40 PM, kkissinger@kevinkissinger.com wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > I'd like to share my latest composition with you entitled "The Sad > > Little Ghost". > > > > http://kevinkissinger.com/sadlittleghost.shtml > > > > This is the first non-looping work I've composed for nearly a year > > however I think my work with live looping has influenced my non- > > looped work in a few ways, namely: > > > > 1) the orchestral tracks are minimal and utilize repetition -- > > similar to looped material > > > > 2) the lead (theremin) part is economical -- eschewing "fireworks" > > and focusing on expressive sustained notes. > > > > I am grateful to the folks on the LD list for MANY ideas that have > > become part of my musical vocabularly. A few recent examples: > > > > . in my organ improvisations I am much more inclined to play in a > > "looped" style... while I am not looping via hardware I often build > > a motive and then just keep it going in my left (or right) hand and > > then weave melodies around it with my spare hand or feet. (I don't > > know if the church I play at is ready for hardware looping... > > however I may try it sometime **grins** ) > > > > . last Sunday, at the end of one improv, I played a single note > > melody alone on a plantive stop... this was an idea suggested on > > the LD list. And, why not? With loop devices we can turn one-note- > > a-time instruments into ensembles. Why not do the opposite and > > play a polyphonic instrument as if it is a mono instrument? > > > > Folks commented that my set at the Y2K7 Loopfest sounded > > "orchestral" -- and I think that my interest in ensemble texture > > influenced that. I have found over the last year that my looped > > and non-looped work influence each other. > > > > The Y2K7 Loopfest was like a massive recharge to my musical > > batteries. It was a chance to just sit back and soak up music from > > everyone. I think the word "unique" is overused in the music biz > > however each set WAS unique and each was high-quality. > > > > In particular, one of the challenges with looped music and with > > music in general is to create effective endings. To see the > > different approaches to this aspect of looping was enlightening, to > > say the least. Incidentally, the ending to "The Sad Little Ghost" > > just flew into my DAW ... no struggle. > > > > Forgive my rambling here. Though it has been a week since the > > loopfest, I am still on a real "high" from it and look forward to > > creating a lot of new looped and non-looped music as a result. > > > > -- Kevin > > > > -- The Playing Orchestra: http://www.telefonica.net/web2/tpo Chain Tape Collective: http://www.ct-collective.com TPO at myspace: http://www.myspace.com/theplayingorchestra ------=_Part_10592_20013253.1193936879981 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Lovely as others stated.

Hi Kevin,

How about aesthetics?
I know some contemporary composers refused
the use of the theremin as a "tempered" instrument,
triying to emulate, regular stringed instruments or so...
Which are your opinions about?

Never listened a theremin player live,
but it seems to me that it's much more difficult o play
"in tune" with a beast like that, than just making "glissandi" sounds...

I supose it's just the melody on top what you played with it.. isn't?

Interesting instrument & great player so far!

Thx,
R.

2007/11/1, Chuck Silva < any1particular@mac.com>:
Kevin!

What a lovely composition "The Sad Little Ghost" is!

Did you compose all of it?

  If so I'd b very interested to know some details.

For example:

What DAW do you use?

What soft synths if any are you using?

Apparently you are a trained musician?

Do you compose the bulk of your music on a Keyboard-Theremin?

Who are you and what planet are you from?

From Jazz to classical and in between, I'd say it's safe to say that
most all modern music is being influenced by technology-looped typed
music being at the heart of it.

After all art is a reflection of who we are as a culture-where ever
one may dwell.

As hard as I try to be forward thinking and open to new and
progressive music, it's refreshing to hear something inspired in the
more conventional manner.

Indeed it seems to me it is best to be trained in convention. Then
one can take that power and push the envelope.

Thank you for sharing that 'oh my god soooooo awesome music'! :-)

Peace.

  http://www.myspace.com/chucksilva

Chuck Silva




On Oct 29, 2007, at 5:40 PM, kkissinger@kevinkissinger.com wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I'd like to share my latest composition with you entitled "The Sad
> Little Ghost".
>
> http://kevinkissinger.com/sadlittleghost.shtml
>
> This is the first non-looping work I've composed for nearly a year
> however I think my work with live looping has influenced my non-
> looped work in a few ways, namely:
>
> 1) the orchestral tracks are minimal and utilize repetition --
> similar to looped material
>
> 2) the lead (theremin) part is economical -- eschewing "fireworks"
> and focusing on expressive sustained notes.
>
> I am grateful to the folks on the LD list for MANY ideas that have
> become part of my musical vocabularly.  A few recent examples:
>
> . in my organ improvisations I am much more inclined to play in a
> "looped" style... while I am not looping via hardware I often build
> a motive and then just keep it going in my left (or right) hand and
> then weave melodies around it with my spare hand or feet.  (I don't
> know if the church I play at is ready for hardware looping...
> however I may try it sometime  **grins** )
>
> . last Sunday, at the end of one improv, I played a single note
> melody alone on a plantive stop... this was an idea suggested on
> the LD list.  And, why not?  With loop devices we can turn one-note-
> a-time instruments into ensembles.  Why not do the opposite and
> play a polyphonic instrument as if it is a mono instrument?
>
> Folks commented that my set at the Y2K7 Loopfest sounded
> "orchestral" -- and I think that my interest in ensemble texture
> influenced that.  I have found over the last year that my looped
> and non-looped work influence each other.
>
> The Y2K7 Loopfest was like a massive recharge to my musical
> batteries.  It was a chance to just sit back and soak up music from
> everyone.  I think the word "unique" is overused in the music biz
> however each set WAS unique and each was high-quality.
>
> In particular, one of the challenges with looped music and with
> music in general is to create effective endings.  To see the
> different approaches to this aspect of looping was enlightening, to
> say the least.   Incidentally, the ending to "The Sad Little Ghost"
> just flew into my DAW ... no struggle.
>
> Forgive my rambling here.  Though it has been a week since the
> loopfest, I am still on a real "high" from it and look forward to
> creating a lot of new looped and non-looped music as a result.
>
> -- Kevin
>




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TPO at myspace: http://www.myspace.com/theplayingorchestra ------=_Part_10592_20013253.1193936879981-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 1 17:10:18 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 92DE93BED5; Thu, 1 Nov 2007 17:10:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=Q0YuYQTzM5t8Xwo9I3x2EyKYTdTOeR2LqKMpNA65TKI=; b=BdMvFfvGP3YakjwXkMkqt2bR0EY1W291rjkFFkEv01/CkcWPGzYrnHJfR0s7iupuazecApcvViRLK3c8EyGhStqymIfyUvyPmPtSQamf977plqABMjMcz2Adt1RQtQdk5o7i971h+MPJkcsjec/vcw0XtJv+ijNxL5MMqW2QoyI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=TqfumFV3Ct9XJuwOk7yuQjEoDmLAE5btmeoU7erZDPqcTOwHHUzUomT0Ii8p/odZhryUxYb0Rov8NkWd9J7HYI1XnaluVViShaiERECeh7xpETWPnI1EjE75w2tKe2Qw8s4tkLjnYjocgKle+wvDWXX5HzyRM5FLclu32AR4Svo= Message-ID: Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2007 18:10:17 +0100 From: "Raul Bonell" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Y2K7 Recordings - Truth Revealed In-Reply-To: <0b0701c81c9b$c5e7a3a0$32b3ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_10600_20828519.1193937017564" References: <0b0701c81c9b$c5e7a3a0$32b3ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Resent-Message-ID: <4yveQ.A.9JC.6hgKHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/75911 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2007 17:10:18 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_10600_20828519.1193937017564 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline ha,ha,ha... hard worker here ;-). cheers, raul. 2007/11/1, Krispen Hartung : > > Here is the real reason why I wanted to record Y2K7 with live mics versus > the high maintenance of direct from board recording. > > http://www.y2kloopfest.com/images/event/kris-sleeping-on-the-job.jpg > > :) > > Kris > > -- The Playing Orchestra: http://www.telefonica.net/web2/tpo Chain Tape Collective: http://www.ct-collective.com TPO at myspace: http://www.myspace.com/theplayingorchestra ------=_Part_10600_20828519.1193937017564 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline ha,ha,ha... hard worker here ;-).

cheers,
raul.

2007/11/1, Krispen Hartung <khartung@cableone.net>:
Here is the real reason why I wanted to record Y2K7 with live mics versus the high maintenance of direct from board recording.
 
 
:)
 
Kris
 



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TPO at myspace: http://www.myspace.com/theplayingorchestra ------=_Part_10600_20828519.1193937017564-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 1 17:47:40 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7CEB93BECD; Thu, 1 Nov 2007 17:47:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: AXON AX 100 Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2007 13:47:37 -0400 Message-ID: <641CEFFC7E5B6C42AB59539653FD08238E2E83@wcu-ex-emp2.PASSHE.LCL> In-Reply-To: <395157.72807.qm@web38601.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: AXON AX 100 Thread-Index: Acgcr0cvKHsD+dmWTjKQq/0kgP5oCg== References: <395157.72807.qm@web38601.mail.mud.yahoo.com> From: "Dean, Hal " To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Nov 2007 17:47:37.0582 (UTC) FILETIME=[4A8F50E0:01C81CAF] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/75912 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2007 17:47:40 +0000 (UTC) The Graphtech site has a list of installers. You might want to email them too - they are very responsive. I'm currently exchanging emails with the guitar tech at the local Sam Ash store in King of Prussia, PA, about Graphtech in my PRS. I called Sam Ash because they are listed as a dealer (not installer) on G'tech site. Hal -----Original Message----- From: L.A. Angulo [mailto:labaloops@yahoo.com]=20 Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2007 9:34 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: AXON AX 100 Hey Paul, Just curious,who installed it for you? i tried finding somebody in california who would install the Graphtech or RMC system on my fernandes sustainer but they all seemed to shy away from doing it.Ive also havent found anybody here in germany yet who would do it if anybody has a link id aprreciate it! cheers Luis --- phaslem@wightman.ca wrote: > Hey Richard, >=20 > If you think you are going to let the Axon go I'll throw my name in=20 > the hat of people that would be interested in it. > I'm currently using > a vg8-ex which doesn't have good synth sounds; I love some of the=20 > guitar patches though. >=20 > Just for interest sake you can take a look at the guitar I built with=20 > the Graphtech pickups at http://www.haslem.ca/pictures/ click on any=20 > of the jpg files marked guitar. >=20 > Sounds like you're going to have a busy year! I'm starting to work on=20 > a new hammered dulcimer cd that will involve looping guitar parts and=20 > perhaps some dulcimer as well... Of course it will feature the=20 > hammered dulcimer.... In my case I'll be delighted if I'm able to sell > a few hundred copies.... >=20 > Regards, >=20 > Paul Haslem > www.dulcify.ca >=20 >=20 >=20 > Quoting Richard Sales : > > > > I guess to keep my karma clean I should pass on > the Roland GK1 pickup > > and the MIDI interface that goes with it. If any > of you want it and > > will pay shipping and boxing I'll send it to you.=20 > I never used it. > > And.... it was given to me! If you want it let me > know. Only catch > > is, you can't turn around and sell it on Ebay! As > the natives say, > > "The gift must move." >=20 >=20 www.myspace.com/luisangulocom __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 1 17:57:39 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E18CD3BED5; Thu, 1 Nov 2007 17:57:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 1679 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Thu, 01 Nov 2007 17:57:39 UTC DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=zAw2nOUetElf8AUYsHFg3b+o0tNsFPI65LBFLKLFELA=; b=sAxHO7gFgIgoI8/OwOd8ZgMdyOkhiqB5dVosKxCe6J5G/Ra1SbGOo4sudarrh0huHgPT9VvQ7ofH51zuzhLpqhTXb1cbc5/PKLge/qG+UD8rO8E0dwj+bSK08oE7D3hl5XQ8bbtnNQ/r4CofQuAa7GF6ATkZgsx1IzJBCbm5ZvU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=CqrlIH1094w7YjXKHzy9voVFJNWpirrxu40nzf2cQIDu9BG1T8Hyh1jvJHrobeKG0zdEJYZEHjg+r+GbRPQeYp5xKIy6AOQd1kCGQ+perpjQEAreuBu7C41PVqH42+kFt8XvaZLZUgskeO7VU5yWCDrHDl9RUCKQEmzHzuNikm4= Message-ID: Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2007 18:01:42 +0100 From: "Raul Bonell" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: free impro featuring kaoss guitar In-Reply-To: <46517b063c53386d23c9d1b700f2af1d@gmx.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_10558_14572797.1193936502794" References: <46517b063c53386d23c9d1b700f2af1d@gmx.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/75913 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2007 17:57:39 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_10558_14572797.1193936502794 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline really nice nico... it fits ok into the silent's body... did you do all modulations with a single patch in the mini? there is a youtube video of an spanish tapping guitarist, called carlos vamos with an alesis airfx inside the body of a regular electric guitar. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UOJTMsKR7ag thx, raul. 2007/11/1, nico spahni : > > Hi folks > > Some of you may be interested in my new Kaoss pad-enhanced Yamaha > Silent Guitar: > > www.recpro.ch/pictures/kaoss_silent_guitar.jpg > > I first toyed with it last Sunday in an informal impro session with a > percussionist: > > www.recpro.ch/mp3/kaoss_guitar_impro.mp3 > > The sound quality is somewhat less than good but it'll give you an idea > anyway. In the first 2 minutes I make extensive use of the programme > "ring modulation". > > Cheers > > Nico > > www.recpro.ch > www.myspace.com/nicospahni > > -- The Playing Orchestra: http://www.telefonica.net/web2/tpo Chain Tape Collective: http://www.ct-collective.com TPO at myspace: http://www.myspace.com/theplayingorchestra ------=_Part_10558_14572797.1193936502794 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline really nice nico...
it fits ok into the silent's body...
did you do all modulations with a single patch
in the mini?

there is a youtube video of an spanish tapping guitarist,
called carlos vamos with an alesis airfx inside the body
of a regular electric guitar.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UOJTMsKR7ag

thx,
raul.

2007/11/1, nico spahni < nicosp@gmx.net>:
Hi folks

Some of you may be interested in my new Kaoss pad-enhanced Yamaha
Silent Guitar:

www.recpro.ch/pictures/kaoss_silent_guitar.jpg

I first toyed with it last Sunday in an informal impro session with a
percussionist:

www.recpro.ch/mp3/kaoss_guitar_impro.mp3

The sound quality is somewhat less than good but it'll give you an idea
anyway. In the first 2 minutes I make extensive use of the programme
"ring modulation".

Cheers

Nico

www.recpro.ch
www.myspace.com/nicospahni




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TPO at myspace: http://www.myspace.com/theplayingorchestra ------=_Part_10558_14572797.1193936502794-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 1 18:05:00 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4E3DF3BEDE; Thu, 1 Nov 2007 18:05:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 1787 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Thu, 01 Nov 2007 18:04:59 UTC Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <4729FCB0.5070900@tiscali.co.uk> References: <002201c81bfa$f89f69f0$e9de3dd0$@com> <4729FCB0.5070900@tiscali.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <4F84BF45-BBD7-4810-BD43-B8DF6B03F7F1@sonic.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Mark Landman Subject: Re: square waves (as VST) Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2007 10:35:10 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/75914 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2007 18:05:00 +0000 (UTC) One critical difference between using the old Lexicon boxes square wave mod vs. a VST or any newer fx box is the way the delay is done. The Lexi's modulated an oscillator that clocked the delay, nowadays delay lines just aren't done that way. If you look back thru the archives Kim talked about this a lot when we were asking for pitch/ time changing effects on the Echoplex. Years ago I had a Lexicon Prime Time II with expanded memory, and square wave modulating a long loop was one of my favorite techniques. Adding some short resonant feedback throbs via the 2nd tap (the Prime Time II was a 2 tap delay line with great onboard mixing capabilities!) and it was loop heaven. Since then I've tried to emulate that sound with many fx boxes including Eventide and Kyma, and it's never sounded the same. Having said all this, if this sound could be caught in a plug-in it'd be great. Mark > > Qua Veda wrote: >> At the Y2K7 loopfest, Henry Kaiser explained that he used square >> waves to modulate a PCM 42 (lexicon fx processor) to create his >> loops. I really liked his performance. Did I misunderstand him? >> Can anyone explain how this is done? -Qua > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 1 18:30:01 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BC5BE3BED2; Thu, 1 Nov 2007 18:30:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <20071101142958.js0fbex1ds0ccgcc@www.wightman.ca> Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2007 14:29:58 -0400 From: phaslem@wightman.ca To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Graphtech installation was AXON AX 100 References: <395157.72807.qm@web38601.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <641CEFFC7E5B6C42AB59539653FD08238E2E83@wcu-ex-emp2.PASSHE.LCL> In-Reply-To: <641CEFFC7E5B6C42AB59539653FD08238E2E83@wcu-ex-emp2.PASSHE.LCL> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.3) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/75915 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2007 18:30:01 +0000 (UTC) I looked at both systems, the RMC system is more geared to an acoustic =20 type of installation, where as the Graphtech is more like the familiar =20 saddles that you use on any electric guitar. The RMC is a much more =20 complicated installation and I would only recommend a compentent =20 technician do that installation. The Graphtech system is very modular with a minimal amount of =20 soldering. You do have to comfortable enough with wood working to =20 route out spaces in the back of the guitar and drill holes for the =20 wires from the saddles and controls, but all that is pretty basic =20 stuff and reachable by anyone comfortable with cutting holes in their =20 instrument. The system is very like putting together a computer as =20 every control and even the saddles just plug directly into the circut =20 board. I did mine on one Sunday afternoon (that was the Parker p44 =20 installation). If you're interested I could take some pictures of the =20 insides of my guitars that I've installed the system in so that you =20 can see what it looks like. best of luck with it, Paul haslem www.dulcify.ca > > Hey Paul, > Just curious,who installed it for you? i tried finding somebody in > california who would install the Graphtech or RMC system on my fernandes > sustainer but they all seemed to shy away from doing it.Ive also havent > found anybody here in germany yet who would do it if anybody has a link > id aprreciate it! > cheers > Luis > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 1 18:47:06 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 259973BEDB; Thu, 1 Nov 2007 18:47:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Authenticated: #1228034 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1+3OH4ZctK3nI/nOOOhP+nArcFLWQqo46iL5XGlcv vdUd/5VU8q2tLi Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: References: <46517b063c53386d23c9d1b700f2af1d@gmx.net> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1-887313419 Message-Id: <053065285c3e7c0b29992026da245d28@gmx.net> From: nico spahni Subject: Re: free impro featuring kaoss guitar Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2007 19:47:58 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/75916 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2007 18:47:06 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-1-887313419 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Yep, I only used one patch (ring modulation). I had briefly considered getting an airfx instead of the mini-kp and also watched the video you mention. Good stuff but everything considered the airfx seems to be less versatile than the mini-kp. Nico Am 01.11.2007 um 18:01 schrieb Raul Bonell: > really nice nico... > it fits ok into the silent's body... > did you do all modulations with a single patch > in the mini? > > there is a youtube video of an spanish tapping guitarist, > called carlos vamos with an alesis airfx inside the body > of a regular electric guitar. > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UOJTMsKR7ag > > thx, > raul. > > 2007/11/1, nico spahni < nicosp@gmx.net>:Hi folks >> >> Some of you may be interested in my new Kaoss pad-enhanced Yamaha >> Silent Guitar: >> >> www.recpro.ch/pictures/kaoss_silent_guitar.jpg >> >> I first toyed with it last Sunday in an informal impro session with a >> percussionist: >> >> www.recpro.ch/mp3/kaoss_guitar_impro.mp3 >> >> The sound quality is somewhat less than good but it'll give you an >> idea >> anyway. In the first 2 minutes I make extensive use of the programme >> "ring modulation". >> >> Cheers >> >> Nico >> >> www.recpro.ch >> www.myspace.com/nicospahni >> > > > > -- > The Playing Orchestra: http://www.telefonica.net/web2/tpo > Chain Tape Collective: http://www.ct-collective.com > TPO at myspace: http://www.myspace.com/theplayingorchestra --Apple-Mail-1-887313419 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=US-ASCII Yep, I only used one patch (ring modulation). I had briefly considered getting an airfx instead of the mini-kp and also watched the video you mention. Good stuff but everything considered the airfx seems to be less versatile than the mini-kp. Nico Am 01.11.2007 um 18:01 schrieb Raul Bonell: really nice nico... it fits ok into the silent's body... did you do all modulations with a single patch in the mini? there is a youtube video of an spanish tapping guitarist, called carlos vamos with an alesis airfx inside the body of a regular electric guitar. 0000,0000,EEEEhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UOJTMsKR7ag thx, raul. 2007/11/1, nico spahni << 0000,0000,EEEEnicosp@gmx.net>:Hi folks Some of you may be interested in my new Kaoss pad-enhanced Yamaha Silent Guitar: 0000,0000,EEEEwww.recpro.ch/pictures/kaoss_silent_guitar.jpg I first toyed with it last Sunday in an informal impro session with a percussionist: 0000,0000,EEEEwww.recpro.ch/mp3/kaoss_guitar_impro.mp3 The sound quality is somewhat less than good but it'll give you an idea anyway. In the first 2 minutes I make extensive use of the programme "ring modulation". Cheers Nico 0000,0000,EEEEwww.recpro.ch 0000,0000,EEEEwww.myspace.com/nicospahni -- The Playing Orchestra: 0000,0000,EEEEhttp://www.telefonica.net/web2/tpo Chain Tape Collective: 0000,0000,EEEEhttp://www.ct-collective.com TPO at myspace: 0000,0000,EEEEhttp://www.myspace.com/theplayingorchestra --Apple-Mail-1-887313419-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 1 19:41:03 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 786093BEB8; Thu, 1 Nov 2007 19:41:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RECORDING?! Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2007 20:40:58 +0100 Message-ID: <200711011940.lA1JextV012417@hermes.ramstein.af.mil> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: RECORDING?! Thread-Index: AcgcvyCAQCu2+wjSTn6ike9nJosPQg== From: "Moore, David W Civ 86 MXS/MXMTA" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Nov 2007 19:40:59.0748 (UTC) FILETIME=[20F77A40:01C81CBF] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/75917 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2007 19:41:03 +0000 (UTC) Hey all! I really love my Gigadelay! I've been listening to the random Eno-ish loops I made with my shakuhachi (for the last 1/2 hour)! I just need to get it recorded! david moore transient alert 86 mxs/mxmta 480-2061/5378 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 1 20:37:19 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8B5D63BECA; Thu, 1 Nov 2007 20:37:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; bh=SMfc2kXuqeAmLTdbwKyECLyQqcGgEfwdEOXcuFIpKDY=; b=CCuvAn2vcO/SALZmZX8iT90D1zvSLTDLKkinWnoZZGldjpaMhEOpNnVhnhMaaoiHtUI3CwaRWSBxvScQ4sq3fFrUpAp6BHzI6h69NU/pzx5Roz38MdyOcLx/7f9380j190qIXZdL7lXZDlNoXPGn3zbe81Ig0sJgnk8jGkxW6QE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=U5g/tbD1d1nUlAKS3y6cryUYSCiw0Azr73LODxiw80jqP5li/lXYXmHyynZkQpXenyZZ1+IKEz+7i+/Pm8JsQRjiOtJxLqm/3ZJcSBhIVW/i4wfS5qdNMm5cpFz+oVbXwYh1/E3rfl3bp92536OTJV6PbpR/COVAMOC4XpLHx7A= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <1BB076E4C332F9469148F41725F17A7205D80EAE@MTVNE-EXCLUST02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> References: <4729541B.2020108@mhorse.com> <1BB076E4C332F9469148F41725F17A7205D80EAE@MTVNE-EXCLUST02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: square waves/repeater Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2007 21:17:09 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: <3pR9tD.A.7q._jjKHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/75918 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2007 20:37:19 +0000 (UTC) On Nov 1, 2007, at 5:20, Daryl Shawn wrote: >>> do looping machines such as the Repeater which offer some pitch > control also have an LFO?<< On Nov 1, 2007, at 14:33, Goddard, Duncan wrote: > no, but you've given me an idea, for which many thanks. the > repeater can > be made to respond to midi controllers, & so a sequencer playing > back a > midi controller with continuously varying value could be used to > modulate things in the repeater. I'm going to try CC14, which is > (IIRC) > the newly available controller on the repeater that makes pitch & > tempo > change together... Many years ago, when I had a Repeater, David Torn hinted me at the trick of running a MIDI sequencer synced to the Repeater and sending in MIDI to do "square wave pitch modulation" of loops. First I tried CC14 but the Repeater was too slow to react in a musical way. Then I tried MIDI notes and that was working like a charm! Simply select one of the track select buttons on the Repeaters front panel and send MIDI notes into the machine; it will then hook up that track to do pitch follow according to the received MIDI notes (just as the Augustus Looper AU on Mac does). Bill Walker also used to play with this Repeater technique before he was bitten by the Looperlative. I pretty much do this old Repeater trick these days on my looping laptopo by scripting in Mobius. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 1 20:51:38 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C471D3BEB9; Thu, 1 Nov 2007 20:51:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 640798129-mk-filter-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com-B2C-$THROTTLED-DYNAMIC-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 79.74.153.222 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Aq4HAIzZKUdPSpne/2dsb2JhbACCKqYJ Message-ID: <472A3C81.1010004@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Thu, 01 Nov 2007 20:52:17 +0000 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: square waves (as VST) References: <002201c81bfa$f89f69f0$e9de3dd0$@com> <4729FCB0.5070900@tiscali.co.uk> <4F84BF45-BBD7-4810-BD43-B8DF6B03F7F1@sonic.net> In-Reply-To: <4F84BF45-BBD7-4810-BD43-B8DF6B03F7F1@sonic.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/75919 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2007 20:51:38 +0000 (UTC) hi Mark, ;-) hint, the reason I'm asking the question is that I already worked out how to get a vst delay to act as if it had a modulated oscillator. ...would you actually want to purchase a vst plug with those capabilities? andy butler Mark Landman wrote: > One critical difference between using the old Lexicon boxes square wave > mod vs. a VST or any newer fx box is the way the delay is done. > > The Lexi's modulated an oscillator that clocked the delay, nowadays > delay lines just aren't done that way. If you look back thru the > archives Kim talked about this a lot when we were asking for pitch/time > changing effects on the Echoplex. > > Years ago I had a Lexicon Prime Time II with expanded memory, and square > wave modulating a long loop was one of my favorite techniques. Adding > some short resonant feedback throbs via the 2nd tap (the Prime Time II > was a 2 tap delay line with great onboard mixing capabilities!) and it > was loop heaven. Since then I've tried to emulate that sound with many > fx boxes including Eventide and Kyma, and it's never sounded the same. > > Having said all this, if this sound could be caught in a plug-in it'd be > great. > > Mark > >> >> Qua Veda wrote: >>> At the Y2K7 loopfest, Henry Kaiser explained that he used square >>> waves to modulate a PCM 42 (lexicon fx processor) to create his >>> loops. I really liked his performance. Did I misunderstand him? >>> Can anyone explain how this is done? -Qua >> > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 1 21:08:06 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B86C63BECA; Thu, 1 Nov 2007 21:08:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <643126.53610.qm@web34212.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <643126.53610.qm@web34212.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-3-895719315 Message-Id: <69ed0dc030f2f2d7e5a6ecfedbe3df54@glasswing.com> From: Richard Sales Subject: Re: AXON AX 100 shipping etc Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2007 14:08:04 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Resent-Message-ID: <6bwdPC.A.u2B.2AkKHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/75920 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2007 21:08:06 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-3-895719315 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Hi Dan So should I communicate with HIM or you about this? I'll figure out shipping costs and send you the bill. I hope to do this within the next bunch of days but it takes a while to do anything here on an island 2 hours out to sea by boat. Maybe email me at my regular address and not through loopers because I have loopers mail going into a folder which things get lost in very fast. richard@glasswing.com ta dah! richard sales glassWing farm and studio vancouver island, b.c. 800.545.6846 250.752.4816 www.glassWing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com On 31-Oct-07, at 11:49 AM, Dan wrote: > Ok I talked to Cotton and he needs it! Im not sure how you would like > for me to send shipping > money and whatever you need, if there are any other rules I need to > follow for shipping or credit > card information? his email is jwesthoff@sbcglobal.net In case you > need anything else from him he > can build anything and I mean ANYTHING! > He is a very good lifetime friend I respect and love very much!!!!! > Thank You So Much Brother!!! :o) > My address is > > 205 West 9th > Pittsburg, Kansas > zip 66762 > phone 1-620-232-1252 > > > --- Richard Sales wrote: > >> Thanks Dan! >> >> Oh man! So much to learn and research. >> >> Luthiers are like beer stores for me. I have to keep my distance! I >> LOVE GUITARS TOO MUCH! I finally sold one this past year and am still >> having convulsions having done it. But at one point I noticed spider >> webs between the guitar and the wall it was hanging on so I just had >> to >> let it go. >> >> But yeah..... I will RELUCTANTLY go peek at William Eaton, >> Roberto-Venn's and YOUR sites or info. I have to admit I have terror. >> I fall in love so easily. >> >> We don't have any PSAs right now. And she's not signed in the US as >> of >> right now but it's VERY MUCH looking like that will happen within the >> next bunch of months. She's now signed to Universal in the UK so >> we'll >> be going there in the first quarter 08. That's pretty exciting. I >> think France and Germany too. But the way the majors - or what's left >> of them - work - is your record is ONLY released per territory and can >> really only be promoted and tour supported per territory. So we've >> been pretty confined to Canada since the record came out. But it's >> doing very well here. The first single is lodged in the top ten of >> the >> AC chart. Was at #3 for about five months and has now slipped to #8. >> It's the most played record on AC this year! And the new single is >> fast climbing as we speak. And they're planning to launch the third >> in >> Feb so it's very conceivable Hayley will have THREE singles in the top >> playlists, So, IN CANADA, we're doing very well. Hopefully that will >> translate to other territories as well.... Jah willing. >> >> Oh shit! I ALWAYS need equipment. But that's like a very overweight >> man saying he ALWAYS needs candy bars! I'm gonna have to upgrade my >> studio sometime soon and that will be ugly. But the record's been >> nominated for a Juno in Engineering (Canada's Grammy) so I COULD have >> more studio work out of that. Don't know if I really WANT that.... >> but >> I'm sure my wife would like to see more of those little green (and in >> Canada red, blue etc) magic carpets flowing through the bank account. >> >> Our web sites are in my signature below. But.... www.hayleysales.com >> (she has a myspace too - you can hear some songs there), >> www.richardsales.com (samples of my songs there) and www.glasswing.com >> (samples of instrumentals for film video there) the studio. >> >> I guess to keep my karma clean I should pass on the Roland GK1 pickup >> and the MIDI interface that goes with it. If any of you want it and >> will pay shipping and boxing I'll send it to you. I never used it. >> And.... it was given to me! If you want it let me know. Only catch >> is, you can't turn around and sell it on Ebay! As the natives say, >> "The gift must move." >> >> Thanks again Dan and everyone who responded to my question. >> >> richard sales >> glassWing farm and studio >> vancouver island, b.c. >> 800.545.6846 >> 250.752.4816 >> www.glassWing.com >> www.richardsales.com >> www.hayleysales.com >> www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com >> On 31-Oct-07, at 6:41 AM, Dan wrote: >> >>> Richard!!! Good to hear your back it sounds like you been having >>> fun, >>> I wish I could say the >>> same. Anyway my teacher/luthier masters especially William Eaton is >>> requested by companies >>> especially Roland to test their prototypes of all kinds of electronic >>> equipment. I do not know >>> for sure if he is on tour right now but I would recommend you contact >>> him through Roberto-Venn. >>> He usually designs the instruments around the technology, or >>> viceversa. One of the most amazing >>> and seemingly unique human beings I have ever met. Very personable >>> and sweet at the same time he >>> helped me a great deal to get through some of the most challenging >>> times of my life back in 1999 >>> through 2000!!! Do you and Haley have any different websites I can >>> link up for yall at >>> myspace.com/albertiniguitarworks? Im trying to get a couple more >>> projects off the ground I have a >>> few more live performances on the radio stations around here in the >>> four state Area and in >>> Pittsburg soon. I will be playing solo and or with new experiment in >>> the works "Eagle Dawn" set >>> drummer/manager website consultant/very good friend Wade Heilig and >>> percussionist extraordinaire >>> Daniel Warlop Pittsburg State University Gorilla Radio. Send me your >>> PSA's & I will try to get >>> them some air time for you all and Haley! I also have been coming >>> across a lot of random >>> equipment through the interchange of musicians friend warehouses so >>> let me know if their is >>> anything else to keep an eye out for in the various piles of >>> electronic and wood rubble? ha ha >>> lol!!! Its all good :o) >>> Wish you and yours blessings of wellness/health, harmony, peace, >>> prosperity, wisdom, love and joy >>> Sincerely your friend Daniel T. Albertini >>> myspace.com/albertiniguitarworks >>> >>> >>> __________________________________________________ >>> Do You Yahoo!? >>> Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around >>> http://mail.yahoo.com >>> >> > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > --Apple-Mail-3-895719315 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=US-ASCII Hi Dan So should I communicate with HIM or you about this? I'll figure out shipping costs and send you the bill. I hope to do this within the next bunch of days but it takes a while to do anything here on an island 2 hours out to sea by boat. Maybe email me at my regular address and not through loopers because I have loopers mail going into a folder which things get lost in very fast. richard@glasswing.com ta dah! Gadgetrichard sales 7373,7F7F,C5C5glassWing farm and studio vancouver island, b.c. 800.545.6846 250.752.4816C3C3,9696,1C1C www.glassWing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com On 31-Oct-07, at 11:49 AM, Dan wrote: Ok I talked to Cotton and he needs it! Im not sure how you would like for me to send shipping money and whatever you need, if there are any other rules I need to follow for shipping or credit card information? his email is jwesthoff@sbcglobal.net In case you need anything else from him he can build anything and I mean ANYTHING! He is a very good lifetime friend I respect and love very much!!!!! Thank You So Much Brother!!! :o) My address is 205 West 9th Pittsburg, Kansas zip 66762 phone 1-620-232-1252 --- Richard Sales < wrote: Thanks Dan! Oh man! So much to learn and research. Luthiers are like beer stores for me. I have to keep my distance! I LOVE GUITARS TOO MUCH! I finally sold one this past year and am still having convulsions having done it. But at one point I noticed spider webs between the guitar and the wall it was hanging on so I just had to let it go. But yeah..... I will RELUCTANTLY go peek at William Eaton, Roberto-Venn's and YOUR sites or info. I have to admit I have terror. I fall in love so easily. We don't have any PSAs right now. And she's not signed in the US as of right now but it's VERY MUCH looking like that will happen within the next bunch of months. She's now signed to Universal in the UK so we'll be going there in the first quarter 08. That's pretty exciting. I think France and Germany too. But the way the majors - or what's left of them - work - is your record is ONLY released per territory and can really only be promoted and tour supported per territory. So we've been pretty confined to Canada since the record came out. But it's doing very well here. The first single is lodged in the top ten of the AC chart. Was at #3 for about five months and has now slipped to #8. It's the most played record on AC this year! And the new single is fast climbing as we speak. And they're planning to launch the third in Feb so it's very conceivable Hayley will have THREE singles in the top playlists, So, IN CANADA, we're doing very well. Hopefully that will translate to other territories as well.... Jah willing. Oh shit! I ALWAYS need equipment. But that's like a very overweight man saying he ALWAYS needs candy bars! I'm gonna have to upgrade my studio sometime soon and that will be ugly. But the record's been nominated for a Juno in Engineering (Canada's Grammy) so I COULD have more studio work out of that. Don't know if I really WANT that.... but I'm sure my wife would like to see more of those little green (and in Canada red, blue etc) magic carpets flowing through the bank account. Our web sites are in my signature below. But.... www.hayleysales.com (she has a myspace too - you can hear some songs there), www.richardsales.com (samples of my songs there) and www.glasswing.com (samples of instrumentals for film video there) the studio. I guess to keep my karma clean I should pass on the Roland GK1 pickup and the MIDI interface that goes with it. If any of you want it and will pay shipping and boxing I'll send it to you. I never used it. And.... it was given to me! If you want it let me know. Only catch is, you can't turn around and sell it on Ebay! As the natives say, "The gift must move." Thanks again Dan and everyone who responded to my question. richard sales glassWing farm and studio vancouver island, b.c. 800.545.6846 250.752.4816 www.glassWing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com On 31-Oct-07, at 6:41 AM, Dan wrote: Richard!!! Good to hear your back it sounds like you been having fun, I wish I could say the same. Anyway my teacher/luthier masters especially William Eaton is requested by companies especially Roland to test their prototypes of all kinds of electronic equipment. I do not know for sure if he is on tour right now but I would recommend you contact him through Roberto-Venn. He usually designs the instruments around the technology, or viceversa. One of the most amazing and seemingly unique human beings I have ever met. Very personable and sweet at the same time he helped me a great deal to get through some of the most challenging times of my life back in 1999 through 2000!!! Do you and Haley have any different websites I can link up for yall at myspace.com/albertiniguitarworks? Im trying to get a couple more projects off the ground I have a few more live performances on the radio stations around here in the four state Area and in Pittsburg soon. I will be playing solo and or with new experiment in the works "Eagle Dawn" set drummer/manager website consultant/very good friend Wade Heilig and percussionist extraordinaire Daniel Warlop Pittsburg State University Gorilla Radio. Send me your PSA's & I will try to get them some air time for you all and Haley! I also have been coming across a lot of random equipment through the interchange of musicians friend warehouses so let me know if their is anything else to keep an eye out for in the various piles of electronic and wood rubble? ha ha lol!!! Its all good :o) Wish you and yours blessings of wellness/health, harmony, peace, prosperity, wisdom, love and joy Sincerely your friend Daniel T. Albertini myspace.com/albertiniguitarworks __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com --Apple-Mail-3-895719315-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 1 21:10:35 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B2FC83BED3; Thu, 1 Nov 2007 21:10:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Ao8CAMjdKUeCVlCD/2dsb2JhbAA X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.21,359,1188802800"; d="scan'208";a="118668520" MIME-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <4729FCB0.5070900@tiscali.co.uk> References: <002201c81bfa$f89f69f0$e9de3dd0$@com> <4729FCB0.5070900@tiscali.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-ID: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Mike Crain Subject: Re: square waves (as VST) Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2007 14:10:19 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: <2XDo8B.A.AAC.LDkKHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/75921 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2007 21:10:35 +0000 (UTC) I'd be interested in checking that out, Andy. Mike On Nov 1, 2007, at 9:20 AM, andy butler wrote: > Interesting, > Henry Kaiser was using that effect in 1984 on his Solo Guitar album > (now playing). > Makes a lot more sense hearing it to know how he was doing that. > > So > > How much interest would there be for a vst plug-in that did that > effect? > ie, delay with square wave modulation. > > andy butler > > > Qua Veda wrote: >> At the Y2K7 loopfest, Henry Kaiser explained that he used square >> waves to modulate a PCM 42 (lexicon fx processor) to create his >> loops. I really liked his performance. Did I misunderstand him? >> Can anyone explain how this is done? -Qua > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 1 21:51:56 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7C0133BEB6; Thu, 1 Nov 2007 21:51:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 1561 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Thu, 01 Nov 2007 21:51:55 UTC Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <472A3C81.1010004@tiscali.co.uk> References: <002201c81bfa$f89f69f0$e9de3dd0$@com> <4729FCB0.5070900@tiscali.co.uk> <4F84BF45-BBD7-4810-BD43-B8DF6B03F7F1@sonic.net> <472A3C81.1010004@tiscali.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Mark Landman Subject: Re: square waves (as VST) Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2007 14:25:51 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/75922 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2007 21:51:56 +0000 (UTC) Hi Andy- I'd be interested, like probably many others, the devil of course is always in the details, how good does it sound, what features does it offer, etc. A VST like my old Prime Time II with a little more memory would be useful enough to justify yet another delay plug-in, I think. Keep us advised! Mark On Nov 1, 2007, at 1:52 PM, andy butler wrote: > hi Mark, > ;-) > hint, > the reason I'm asking the question is that I already worked out how > to get a vst delay to act as if it had a modulated oscillator. > > > > ...would you actually want to purchase a vst plug with those > capabilities? > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 1 22:45:47 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 377C53BEC7; Thu, 1 Nov 2007 22:45:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <380-220071141224543964@M2W024.mail2web.com> X-Priority: 3 Reply-To: qua@oregon.com X-Originating-IP: 134.134.136.4 X-URL: http://mail2web.com/ From: "qua@oregon.com" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2007 18:45:43 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: square waves (as VST) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/75923 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2007 22:45:47 +0000 (UTC) I wonder if folks who are knowledgable in Max/MSP or Reaktor could build this capability=2E -Qua Original Message: ----------------- From: Mark Landman mlandman@sonic=2Enet Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2007 10:35:10 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight=2Ecom Subject: Re: square waves (as VST) One critical difference between using the old Lexicon boxes square =20 wave mod vs=2E a VST or any newer fx box is the way the delay is done=2E The Lexi's modulated an oscillator that clocked the delay, nowadays =20 delay lines just aren't done that way=2E If you look back thru the =20 archives Kim talked about this a lot when we were asking for pitch/=20 time changing effects on the Echoplex=2E Years ago I had a Lexicon Prime Time II with expanded memory, and =20 square wave modulating a long loop was one of my favorite techniques=2E =20= Adding some short resonant feedback throbs via the 2nd tap (the Prime =20 Time II was a 2 tap delay line with great onboard mixing =20 capabilities!) and it was loop heaven=2E Since then I've tried to =20 emulate that sound with many fx boxes including Eventide and Kyma, =20 and it's never sounded the same=2E Having said all this, if this sound could be caught in a plug-in it'd =20 be great=2E Mark > > Qua Veda wrote: >> At the Y2K7 loopfest, Henry Kaiser explained that he used square =20 >> waves to modulate a PCM 42 (lexicon fx processor) to create his =20 >> loops=2E I really liked his performance=2E Did I misunderstand him=3F= =20 >> Can anyone explain how this is done=3F -Qua > -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web=2Ecom =96 What can On Demand Business Solutions do for you=3F http://link=2Email2web=2Ecom/Business/SharePoint From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 1 23:37:23 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A330F3BEB0; Thu, 1 Nov 2007 23:37:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 303 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Thu, 01 Nov 2007 23:37:22 UTC Reply-To: From: "Aaron Leese" To: Subject: FlyLoops and electronic instruments Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2007 16:31:59 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1250" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 In-Reply-To: <4729FCB0.5070900@tiscali.co.uk> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Thread-Index: Acgcovrq1UNH1tGdQIC5dAraNHNolgAO2T5Q Message-Id: <20071101233722.D7CCD3BEAC@arsenic.violacea.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/75924 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2007 23:37:23 +0000 (UTC) Hey all ... In response to the many inquiries I got about using Flyloops with VSTs and other programs, I've gone ahead and applied for a license from Propellerhead to get the libraries to make Flyloops Rewire compatible. In English ..... this will make it possible to use the output from other programs (like samplers which generate the sound for electronic instruments/keyboards, etc. or VST instruments) ... and use that sound as the inputs that Flyloops sees, and can then loop. And thanks everyone for your great input during Y2K7 .... always nice to get ideas about what different people look for in their "ideal" looper. I was blown away by the number of other engineers at the festival. Just for reference, here is the list of programs that are Re-Wire compatible: Ableton Live Adobe Audition Logic Audio Arturia Storm FL Studio Cakewalk Sonar Companion E&D Intuem RW Cycling '74 Max/MSP Digidesign Pro Tools GarageBand Granted Software ReVision Line 6 GuitarPort Line 6 RiffTracker MOTU Digital Performer Opcode Vision DSP Opcode Studio Vision Plogue Bidule Raw Material Tracktion Pro Tools on OS9 using reFuse Sonoma Wire Works RiffWorks Sony ACID Pro Steinberg Cubase Steinberg Nuendo Synapse Audio Orion ArKaos VJ Arturia Storm Audionaut Obsession Bitheadz Retro AS-1 Bitheadz Unity DS-1 Digital Salade Toki Shot FL Studio Cakewalk Project 5 MadTracker Cycling '74 Max/MSP Plogue Bidule Propellerheads Reason Propellerheads ReBirth RB-338 Sony ACID Pro Speedsoft VSampler Tascam GigaStudio Toontrack dfh SUPERIOR Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.487 / Virus Database: 0.0.0/0 - Release Date: 12:00 AM From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 1 23:42:01 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C43FB3BEB8; Thu, 1 Nov 2007 23:42:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "Aaron Leese" To: Subject: funky music from lack of sleep Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2007 16:41:36 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1250" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 In-Reply-To: <4729FCB0.5070900@tiscali.co.uk> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Thread-Index: Acgcovrq1UNH1tGdQIC5dAraNHNolgAPG2rg Message-Id: <20071101234201.16EFD3BEAC@arsenic.violacea.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/75925 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2007 23:42:01 +0000 (UTC) Monday I got a new function finished for Flyloops which allows you to save your session ... that is, save everything you are playing and looping. So I've been sitting here playing and recording and barely eating for a couple days now (get going on a project and suddenly it's 3AM and your wondering why your so hungry .... ha). Anyway .... I thought I would share ... since I realized I have yet to have ever posted any music on here, and this one turned out nicely. Feedback is always appreciated .... http://www.aaronleese.com/sickness%20spreading.mp3 Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.487 / Virus Database: 0.0.0/0 - Release Date: 12:00 AM From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 2 01:10:12 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 749DE3BEC7; Fri, 2 Nov 2007 01:10:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=rogers.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=fTIVW2rkQMlKqRqYpsfhfnaq2Q2JpatR1+8JHBXogauEWHuakqjvQUX7iH3xhFMWcX9IvfwYw6CMMkjwKJHy6ew1ioaAyUk/X4I2VsC1YRjdc42P+YltZssmLjvp5A7IrDO3FD0eSfOo9w0hkBnKzckhIPgri6cTqmbeK40u4do=; X-YMail-OSG: 1fxq.gIVM1m4oO47HoGX9IdaoQ_cggBdpLeovGrOkljLhjetSdIxMZCqerwI0rJA8A-- Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2007 21:10:09 -0400 (EDT) From: JASON CASKENTTE Subject: AKAI MPC500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-762962504-1193965809=:61285" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <742255.61285.qm@web88314.mail.re4.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/75926 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2007 01:10:12 +0000 (UTC) --0-762962504-1193965809=:61285 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Just wondering if any one has a AKAI MPC500 and what they think of them? I'm considering adding one to the family (an FCB1010 controlled EDP and a JAMMAN). any help and or sugestions welcom --0-762962504-1193965809=:61285 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Just wondering if any one has a AKAI MPC500 and what they think of them? I'm considering adding one to the family  (an  FCB1010 controlled EDP and a JAMMAN).
 
any help and or sugestions welcom
--0-762962504-1193965809=:61285-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 2 02:00:32 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 76E953BEB9; Fri, 2 Nov 2007 02:00:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <00e101c81cf4$2537c8f0$0eaae40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: New CD Release: Music Unfit for Children Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2007 20:00:28 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/related; type="multipart/alternative"; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00DB_01C81CC1.D97CCDC0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/75927 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2007 02:00:32 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00DB_01C81CC1.D97CCDC0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_00DC_01C81CC1.D97CCDC0" ------=_NextPart_001_00DC_01C81CC1.D97CCDC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Here is my latest. I enjoyed making this CD more than any other in my = discography. It reminded me how much fun it is to be a kid again. :) "Forks on Lids" is probably my favorite, the only one with me playing = guitar. This image, also in the main CD page below, has a picture of = all the instruments used on the CD. = http://www.krispenhartung.com/music-unfit-for-children/tray-card.jpg Kris=20 Music Unfit for Children by Krispen, Tristan, & Kyra Hartung Buy - http://kunaki.com/Sales.asp?PID=3DPX00ZQC8SO Download MP3 version for free: http://www.box.net/shared/x5x8q492br More info, pictures of artwork, etc: = http://www.krispenhartung.com/music-unfit-for-children/index.htm Music Unfit for Children is a Hartung family collaboration and = experimental collection of improvisational compositions. Each musical = composition is based on various children's toys, acoustic and foundsound = instruments, and processing by the notebook computer and Cycling 74's = Max/MSP.=20 a.. Krispen Hartung - Mini electric guitar, Notebook computer, Cycling = 74 Max/MSP, Native Instruments Reaktor 5, vtech=AE Bright Lights toy = phone, Alphabet Pal=AE Caterpillar, Joe Rut Sound Machine, Craftsman=AE = Toy Screwdriver , Spinning Star Globe Wand=20 b.. Tristan Hartung - Nylon string acoustic guitar, fork on pot lid, = Electronic toothbrush, Voice=20 c.. Kyra Hartung - Fork on pot lid, Electronic toothbrush, Voice Song List (linked to MP3s) Alphabet Pal Bright Lights Electronic Toothbrush Ensemble Forks on Lids Unprepared Guitar Credits a.. CD cover artwork by Tristan and Kyra Hartung (2 1/2 years old)=20 b.. CD production by Kunaki (www.kunaki.com)=20 c.. CD tray card photo by Krispen Hartung; inside sleeve photo of = Krispen by Mark Hamburg; inside sleeve photos of Tristan and Kyra by = Carissa Hartung=20 d.. Song credits and instrumentation:=20 a.. Alphabet Pal: Krispen Hartung (Alphabet Pal=AE Caterpillar, = laptop computer processing via Max/MSP and Reaktor 5)=20 b.. Bright Lights: Krispen Hartung (vtech=AE Bright Lights toy = phone, laptop computer processing via Max/MSP and Reaktor 5)=20 c.. Electronic Toothbrush Ensemble: Tristan & Kyra Hartung (voice, = electronic toothbrushes), Krispen Hartung (the Joe Rut Sound Machine, = laptop computer processing via Max/MSP and Reaktor 5)=20 d.. Forks on Lids: Tristan & Kyra Hartung (kitchen forks and pod = lids, voice), Krispen Hartung (mini electric guitar, laptop computer = processing via Max/MSP and Reaktor 5)=20 e.. Unprepared Guitar: Tristan Hartung (nylon string acoustic = guitar), Krispen Hartung (laptop computer processing via Max/MSP and = Reaktor 5)=20 ------=_NextPart_001_00DC_01C81CC1.D97CCDC0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Here is my latest. I enjoyed making = this CD more=20 than any other in my discography. It reminded me how much fun it is to = be a kid=20 again. :)
 
"Forks on Lids" is probably my = favorite, the only=20 one with me playing guitar.  This image, also in the main CD page = below,=20 has a picture of all the instruments used on the CD. http://www.krispenhartung.com/music-unfit-for-children/tray-card.jpg=
 
Kris 
 
Music = Unfit for=20 Children
by Krispen, Tristan, & Kyra = Hartung
Buy -=20 http://kunaki.com/Sales.asp?PID=3DPX00ZQC8SO
Download = MP3 version for free: http://www.box.net/shared/x= 5x8q492br
More info, pictures of artwork, = etc: http://www.krispenhartung.com/music-unfit-for-children/index.htm
=


Music = Unfit for=20 Children is a Hartung family collaboration and = experimental=20 collection of improvisational compositions. Each musical composition is = based on=20 various children's toys, acoustic and foundsound instruments, and = processing by=20 the notebook computer and Cycling 74's Max/MSP.
  • Krispen Hartung - Mini electric = guitar, Notebook=20 computer, Cycling 74 Max/MSP, Native Instruments Reaktor 5, vtech=AE = Bright=20 Lights toy phone, Alphabet Pal=AE Caterpillar, Joe Rut Sound Machine, = Craftsman=AE=20 Toy Screwdriver , Spinning Star Globe Wand=20
  • Tristan Hartung - Nylon string = acoustic guitar,=20 fork on pot lid, Electronic toothbrush, Voice=20
  • Kyra Hartung - Fork on pot lid, = Electronic=20 toothbrush, Voice
 
Song=20 List (linked to MP3s)
 
Alphabet = Pal
Bright Lights
Electronic Toothbrush Ensemble
Forks on Lids
Unprepared Guitar

Credits

  • CD cover artwork by Tristan and = Kyra=20 Hartung (2 1/2 years old)=20
  • CD production by Kunaki = (www.kunaki.com)
  • CD tray card photo by Krispen = Hartung;=20 inside sleeve photo of Krispen by Mark Hamburg; inside sleeve photos = of=20 Tristan and Kyra by Carissa Hartung
  • Song credits and = instrumentation:=20
    • Alphabet = Pal: Krispen Hartung = (Alphabet Pal=AE=20 Caterpillar, laptop computer processing via Max/MSP and Reaktor = 5)=20
    • Bright = Lights: Krispen Hartung (vtech=AE Bright=20 Lights toy phone, laptop computer processing via Max/MSP and Reaktor = 5)
    • Electronic Toothbrush=20 Ensemble: Tristan & Kyra Hartung = (voice,=20 electronic toothbrushes), Krispen Hartung (the Joe Rut Sound = Machine, laptop=20 computer processing via Max/MSP and Reaktor 5)
    • Forks on Lids:=20 Tristan & Kyra Hartung (kitchen forks and pod lids, voice), = Krispen=20 Hartung (mini electric guitar, laptop computer processing via = Max/MSP and=20 Reaktor 5)
    • Unprepared Guitar: Tristan Hartung (nylon string acoustic guitar), = Krispen Hartung=20 (laptop computer processing via Max/MSP and Reaktor 5) =
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Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/75928 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2007 02:20:54 +0000 (UTC) Lot's of new Y2K7 MP3s posted now at http://www.y2kloopfest.com/mp3.html (with thumnail pictures of performance by Mark Hamburg) Posted so far: HENRY KAISER (USA) - Headliner ARILD ANDERSEN (Norway) - Headliner Peter Cor Craig McCoullough Chris Roberts Matt Davignon Kevin Kissinger FABIO ANILE (Italy) - Headliner Bill Walker Randolf Arriola (Singapore) - featured performer Per Boysen (Sweden) Chinapainting Barry Cleveland Bob Amstadt Harry Weinberg JD Devros Michael Klobuchar & Per Boysen Gary Regina LEANDER REININGHAUS (Germany) - HEADLINER Krispen Hartung - featured performer Mark Hamburg ...on the way: Matthias Grob (Switzerland/Brazil) and ARILD ANDERSEN (Norway) and more. Kris From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 2 03:55:58 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 49C093BEB8; Fri, 2 Nov 2007 03:55:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Qua Veda" To: References: <00e101c81cf4$2537c8f0$0eaae40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> In-Reply-To: <00e101c81cf4$2537c8f0$0eaae40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Subject: RE: New CD Release: Music Unfit for Children Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2007 20:56:00 -0700 Message-ID: <000101c81d04$48d76710$da863530$@com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/related; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0002_01C81CC9.9C788F10" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: Acgc9ZAWq/ZqHeerTsmbUY2p1jO9agADqeNg Content-Language: en-us X-RBL-Warning: REVDNS: This E-mail was sent from a MUA/MTA 206.212.233.27 with no reverse DNS entry. X-Declude-Sender: qua@oregon.com [206.212.233.27] X-Declude-Spoolname: Da22402770000217f.smd X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude JunkMail (www.declude.com) for spam. Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/75929 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2007 03:55:58 +0000 (UTC) This is a multipart message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0002_01C81CC9.9C788F10 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_0003_01C81CC9.9C788F10" ------=_NextPart_001_0003_01C81CC9.9C788F10 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Great! It sure sounds like it was a LOT of fun !! -Qua From: Krispen Hartung [mailto:khartung@cableone.net] Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2007 7:00 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: New CD Release: Music Unfit for Children Here is my latest. I enjoyed making this CD more than any other in my discography. It reminded me how much fun it is to be a kid again. :) "Forks on Lids" is probably my favorite, the only one with me playing guitar. This image, also in the main CD page below, has a picture of all the instruments used on the CD. http://www.krispenhartung.com/music-unfit-for-children/tray-card.jpg Kris Music Unfit for Children by Krispen, Tristan, & Kyra Hartung Buy - http://kunaki.com/Sales.asp?PID=PX00ZQC8SO Download MP3 version for free: http://www.box.net/shared/x5x8q492br More info, pictures of artwork, etc: http://www.krispenhartung.com/music-unfit-for-children/index.htm Music Unfit for Children is a Hartung family collaboration and experimental collection of improvisational compositions. Each musical composition is based on various children's toys, acoustic and foundsound instruments, and processing by the notebook computer and Cycling 74's Max/MSP. * Krispen Hartung - Mini electric guitar, Notebook computer, Cycling 74 Max/MSP, Native Instruments Reaktor 5, vtechR Bright Lights toy phone, Alphabet PalR Caterpillar, Joe Rut Sound Machine, CraftsmanR Toy Screwdriver , Spinning Star Globe Wand * Tristan Hartung - Nylon string acoustic guitar, fork on pot lid, Electronic toothbrush, Voice * Kyra Hartung - Fork on pot lid, Electronic toothbrush, Voice Song List (linked to MP3s) Alphabet Pal Bright Lights Electronic Toothbrush Ensemble Forks on Lids Unprepared Guitar Credits * CD cover artwork by Tristan and Kyra Hartung (2 1/2 years old) * CD production by Kunaki ( www.kunaki.com) * CD tray card photo by Krispen Hartung; inside sleeve photo of Krispen by Mark Hamburg; inside sleeve photos of Tristan and Kyra by Carissa Hartung * Song credits and instrumentation: * Alphabet Pal: Krispen Hartung (Alphabet PalR Caterpillar, laptop computer processing via Max/MSP and Reaktor 5) * Bright Lights: Krispen Hartung (vtechR Bright Lights toy phone, laptop computer processing via Max/MSP and Reaktor 5) * Electronic Toothbrush Ensemble: Tristan & Kyra Hartung (voice, electronic toothbrushes), Krispen Hartung (the Joe Rut Sound Machine, laptop computer processing via Max/MSP and Reaktor 5) * Forks on Lids: Tristan & Kyra Hartung (kitchen forks and pod lids, voice), Krispen Hartung (mini electric guitar, laptop computer processing via Max/MSP and Reaktor 5) * Unprepared Guitar: Tristan Hartung (nylon string acoustic guitar), Krispen Hartung (laptop computer processing via Max/MSP and Reaktor 5) ------=_NextPart_001_0003_01C81CC9.9C788F10 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Great!  It sure sounds like it was a LOT of fun = !!

 

-Qua

 

From:= Krispen = Hartung [mailto:khartung@cableone.net]
Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2007 7:00 PM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: New CD Release: Music Unfit for = Children

 

Here is my latest. I enjoyed making this CD more than any other in my = discography. It reminded me how much fun it is to be a kid again. = :)

 

"Forks on Lids" is probably my favorite, the only one with me playing guitar.  This image, also in the main CD page below, has a picture = of all the instruments used on the CD. http://www.krispenhartung.com/music-unfit-for-children/tray-card.jpg=

 

Kris&n= bsp;

 

Music Unfit for Children
by Krispen, Tristan, & Kyra Hartung
Buy - http://kunaki.com/Sales.asp?PID=3DPX00ZQC8SO=

Download MP3 version for free: http://www.box.net/shared/x= 5x8q492br

More info, pictures of artwork, etc: http://www.krispenhartung.com/music-unfit-for-children/index.htm
=


Music = Unfit for Children is a Hartung family collaboration and experimental collection of improvisational compositions. Each musical composition is based on = various children's toys, acoustic and foundsound instruments, and processing by = the notebook computer and Cycling 74's Max/MSP.

  • Krispen Hartung - Mini electric guitar, Notebook computer, Cycling 74 = Max/MSP, Native Instruments Reaktor 5, vtech® Bright Lights toy phone, = Alphabet Pal® Caterpillar, Joe Rut Sound Machine, Craftsman® Toy = Screwdriver , Spinning Star Globe Wand
  • Tristan Hartung - Nylon string acoustic guitar, fork on pot lid, Electronic toothbrush, Voice
  • Kyra Hartung - Fork on pot lid, Electronic toothbrush, = Voice

 

Song List (linked to MP3s)

 

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  • CD cover artwork by Tristan and Kyra Hartung (2 1/2 years old)
  • CD production by Kunaki (www.kunaki.com)
  • CD tray card photo by Krispen Hartung; inside sleeve photo of Krispen = by Mark Hamburg; inside sleeve photos of Tristan and Kyra by Carissa = Hartung
  • Song credits and instrumentation:
    • Alphabet = Pal: = Krispen Hartung (Alphabet Pal® Caterpillar, laptop computer processing = via Max/MSP and Reaktor 5)
    • Bright = Lights: = Krispen Hartung (vtech® Bright Lights toy phone, laptop computer = processing via Max/MSP and Reaktor 5)
    • Electronic Toothbrush = Ensemble: = Tristan & Kyra Hartung (voice, electronic toothbrushes), Krispen Hartung = (the Joe Rut Sound Machine, laptop computer processing via Max/MSP and = Reaktor 5)
    • Forks on = Lids: = Tristan & Kyra Hartung (kitchen forks and pod lids, voice), Krispen Hartung = (mini electric guitar, laptop computer processing via Max/MSP and = Reaktor 5) =
    • Unprepared = Guitar: = Tristan Hartung (nylon string acoustic guitar), Krispen Hartung (laptop = computer processing via Max/MSP and Reaktor 5)
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NCUA, CUNA, Credit Union - Copyright © 2007 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 2 10:28:35 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DFC2B3BEB8; Fri, 2 Nov 2007 10:28:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Authenticated: #1228034 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX19i7tAqpK5i/ngQuzzoMfVqqLtxtVCcr+XtGkStdQ lIreXn0TiFbmnv Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <0eb5c2486d0b573470e2266b92e0f2f2@gmx.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: nico spahni Subject: two pieces for contemporary dance Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2007 11:29:28 +0100 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 Resent-Message-ID: <4b85iC.A.1zF.TvvKHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/75930 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2007 10:28:35 +0000 (UTC) Hello Loopers Kevin's recent post has encouraged me to share with you two pieces I did for a contemporary dance ensemble a while ago. As Kevin commented on his work - great piece, Kevin, it truly captures the spirit of Halloween - my two compositions are influenced by what I might want to achieve when looping live. www.recpro.ch/mp3/evolution.mp3 www.recpro.ch/mp3/with_all_my_senses.mp3 Hope you like them. Cheers Nico www.recpro.ch www.myspace.com/nicospahni From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 2 12:16:56 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 563D73BEC2; Fri, 2 Nov 2007 12:16:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <033001c81d4a$3ff1b650$4001a8c0@pcfabio> Reply-To: "e t e r o g e n e o" From: "e t e r o g e n e o" To: References: <20071029164030.urp55kkh1cwcs0kc@69.89.21.76> Subject: Re: new composition influenced by looping and some ramblings Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2007 13:16:51 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-Spam-Rating: smtp6.aruba.it 1.6.2 0/1000/N Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/75931 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2007 12:16:56 +0000 (UTC) Beautiful theme and chords ! Sincere compliments, Kevin, it really moves me, as your set at the Y2K7. Best fabio www.eterogeneo.com ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "LoopersDelight" Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 10:40 PM Subject: new composition influenced by looping and some ramblings Hi, I'd like to share my latest composition with you entitled "The Sad Little Ghost". http://kevinkissinger.com/sadlittleghost.shtml This is the first non-looping work I've composed for nearly a year however I think my work with live looping has influenced my non-looped work in a few ways, namely: 1) the orchestral tracks are minimal and utilize repetition -- similar to looped material 2) the lead (theremin) part is economical -- eschewing "fireworks" and focusing on expressive sustained notes. I am grateful to the folks on the LD list for MANY ideas that have become part of my musical vocabularly. A few recent examples: . in my organ improvisations I am much more inclined to play in a "looped" style... while I am not looping via hardware I often build a motive and then just keep it going in my left (or right) hand and then weave melodies around it with my spare hand or feet. (I don't know if the church I play at is ready for hardware looping... however I may try it sometime **grins** ) . last Sunday, at the end of one improv, I played a single note melody alone on a plantive stop... this was an idea suggested on the LD list. And, why not? With loop devices we can turn one-note-a-time instruments into ensembles. Why not do the opposite and play a polyphonic instrument as if it is a mono instrument? Folks commented that my set at the Y2K7 Loopfest sounded "orchestral" -- and I think that my interest in ensemble texture influenced that. I have found over the last year that my looped and non-looped work influence each other. The Y2K7 Loopfest was like a massive recharge to my musical batteries. It was a chance to just sit back and soak up music from everyone. I think the word "unique" is overused in the music biz however each set WAS unique and each was high-quality. In particular, one of the challenges with looped music and with music in general is to create effective endings. To see the different approaches to this aspect of looping was enlightening, to say the least. Incidentally, the ending to "The Sad Little Ghost" just flew into my DAW ... no struggle. Forgive my rambling here. Though it has been a week since the loopfest, I am still on a real "high" from it and look forward to creating a lot of new looped and non-looped music as a result. -- Kevin -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.15.13/1099 - Release Date: 30/10/2007 10.06 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 2 12:34:37 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 123DF3BEDE; Fri, 2 Nov 2007 12:34:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <03a101c81d4c$b811e680$4001a8c0@pcfabio> Reply-To: "e t e r o g e n e o" From: "e t e r o g e n e o" To: Subject: Y2K7 photos Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2007 13:34:32 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_039E_01C81D55.19B028E0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-Spam-Rating: smtp3.aruba.it 1.6.2 0/1000/N Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/75932 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2007 12:34:37 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_039E_01C81D55.19B028E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi everybody, i've build up 3 web pages with the photos shooted during the Y2K7=20 Loopfestival. For those who are interested, here's the link: = http://www.eterogeneo.com/Y2K7/index.html If, for some reason, someone dont' want to appear in those photos, = please let me know so i can remove them form the web site. I ask everyone of you who shooted photos at the Y2K7 (expecially those=20 where myself appears), to send them to me so i can upload them too (i'll = give you credits) Greetings fabio www.eterogeneo.com ------=_NextPart_000_039E_01C81D55.19B028E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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i've build up 3 web pages with the photos shooted during = the Y2K7=20
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------=_NextPart_000_039E_01C81D55.19B028E0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 2 12:39:48 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AF4BF3BEDE; Fri, 2 Nov 2007 12:39:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: Graphtech installation was AXON AX 100 Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2007 08:39:48 -0400 Message-ID: <641CEFFC7E5B6C42AB59539653FD08238E2E8A@wcu-ex-emp2.PASSHE.LCL> In-Reply-To: <20071101142958.js0fbex1ds0ccgcc@www.wightman.ca> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Graphtech installation was AXON AX 100 Thread-Index: AcgdTXGJ/ULdQ+DWRKOkp3TFYXMxYg== References: <20071101142958.js0fbex1ds0ccgcc@www.wightman.ca> From: "Dean, Hal " To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Nov 2007 12:39:49.0382 (UTC) FILETIME=[75116260:01C81D4D] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/75933 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2007 12:39:48 +0000 (UTC) Paul, I've seen discussions on the midiguitar forum to the effect that the Graphtech connection are (or maybe WERE) tenuous, and that hotgluing them was in order so that they didn't come loose while you're playing in a less than genteel manner. Could you comment on that?=20 Also, I'm interested in how you have signal leaving the guitar. The wiring can be done so that mag pickups signal, piezo signal, and the output from the hexpander module all ride on the 13-pin cable... but that seems likely to be a tonesucker to me, and is an issue that Richard McClish alerted me to via a discussion with John Buscarino, a luthier who made Richard's guitar. I'm inclined to keep the 13-pin cable restricted to the hexpander output and leave the pickups signals traveling on either a Y-cable, or separately on 1/4" cables. Your thoughts on this would be most welcome. Hal Dean -----Original Message----- From: phaslem@wightman.ca [mailto:phaslem@wightman.ca]=20 Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2007 2:30 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Graphtech installation was AXON AX 100 I looked at both systems, the RMC system is more geared to an acoustic type of installation, where as the Graphtech is more like the familiar saddles that you use on any electric guitar. The RMC is a much more complicated installation and I would only recommend a compentent technician do that installation. The Graphtech system is very modular with a minimal amount of soldering. You do have to comfortable enough with wood working to route out spaces in the back of the guitar and drill holes for the wires from the saddles and controls, but all that is pretty basic stuff and reachable by anyone comfortable with cutting holes in their instrument. The system is very like putting together a computer as every control and even the saddles just plug directly into the circut board. I did mine on one Sunday afternoon (that was the Parker p44 installation). If you're interested I could take some pictures of the insides of my guitars that I've installed the system in so that you can see what it looks like. best of luck with it, Paul haslem www.dulcify.ca > > Hey Paul, > Just curious,who installed it for you? i tried finding somebody in=20 > california who would install the Graphtech or RMC system on my=20 > fernandes sustainer but they all seemed to shy away from doing it.Ive=20 > also havent found anybody here in germany yet who would do it if=20 > anybody has a link id aprreciate it! > cheers > Luis > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 2 15:59:00 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 459543BEB6; Fri, 2 Nov 2007 15:59:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 399 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Fri, 02 Nov 2007 15:58:59 UTC Message-ID: <20071102105215.d45tm77xmok44gc8@69.89.21.76> Date: Fri, 02 Nov 2007 10:52:15 -0500 From: kkissinger@kevinkissinger.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: new composition influenced by looping and some ramblings MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.3) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - box76.bluehost.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - kevinkissinger.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/75934 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2007 15:59:00 +0000 (UTC) Quoting Raul Bonell : > Lovely as others stated. > > Hi Kevin, > > How about aesthetics? > I know some contemporary composers refused > the use of the theremin as a "tempered" instrument, > triying to emulate, regular stringed instruments or so... > Which are your opinions about? > Most instruments can play pitches other than those that correspond to the pitches of an equal tempered scale. What makes the theremin unique is that it is not biased towards any set of pitches. To play =20 specific pitches on the theremin with consistancy is difficult =20 compared to (for example) a keyboard. To hold long sustained notes on the theremin is somewhat difficult because one must constantly tune the note while playing it. Wide =20 jumps are difficult however they are dramatic and very fun to play. =20 Rapid passages are not really the theremin's strength -- even when =20 played well they can sound a bit awkward. From an aesthetic standpoint, the theremin's expressiveness attracts =20 me more than its novelty. > > Never listened a theremin player live, > but it seems to me that it's much more difficult o play > "in tune" with a beast like that, than just making "glissandi" sounds... > I'd say that the challenge is to play anything in a controlled and =20 reproduceable manner. Even with Glissandi -- to play them in a =20 controlled manner (speed, volume, etc) can be as demanding as one =20 wishes to make it. > > I supose it's just the melody on top what you played with it.. isn't? > Correct. In "The Sad Little Ghost" I play a single theremin track. =20 The other tracks are from my Kurzweil K2600 synthesizer. I used =20 Cubase SX3. To keep a warm, natural feel to the tracks I didn't quantize anything. =20 I did work with a "click track" however in a somewhat loose fashion =20 -- enough to hold things together but not in a "quartz crystal locked =20 metronome" style. > > 2007/11/1, Chuck Silva : >> >> >> Did you compose all of it? > Yes, I composed it all. > >> >> If so I'd b very interested to know some details. >> >> For example: >> >> What DAW do you use? >> > I use Cubase SX3 with a Toshiba Laptop and an RME800 interface. > >> What soft synths if any are you using? > No soft synths -- I used my K2600 synth for all the tracks except the =20 theremin track. > >> Apparently you are a trained musician? >> > Yes, I am. I have a Bachelor of Music degree with a major in Pipe =20 Organ Performance. The degree included counterpoint and I studied =20 composition as an elective. I never went on to grad school (went to =20 computer school instead) however on my own I studied some of the =20 standard graduate texts on Orchestration, Composition, and Theory. =20 Fortunately, I have few regrets about my past however the choice to =20 stay in Kansas City and not continue with grad school has always =20 bugged me a bit. With the availability of the internet and =20 distance-learning there is the temptation to do some graduate work. I =20 probably won't but the temptation is there. :) > >> Do you compose the bulk of your music on a Keyboard-Theremin? >> > I started to play the theremin two years ago. Before then my music =20 has been primarily for keyboard synthesizers. For composition, I use =20 Cubase and my K2600. I developed a patch for the K2600 the mimics the =20 timbres and attack of the theremin (though it doesn't sound like a =20 theremin). When I compose the theremin parts, I sequence the notes =20 and use the theremin patch as a placeholder. I then convert the =20 theremin part to a regular score from which I memorize and play the =20 theremin part. Every note that I played at Y2K7 was written out. > >> Who are you and what planet are you from? >> > I live in Parkville, Mo -- a suburb of Kansas City, Mo. You can find =20 a little "chronology" on my web site =20 http://kevinkissinger.com/chronology.shtml that tracks my lifelong =20 interest in music and electronics. Given that, as loopers, we share =20 an interest in music and technology you will probably find many =20 similarities between my background and yours. :) > >> >> As hard as I try to be forward thinking and open to new and >> progressive music, it's refreshing to hear something inspired in the >> more conventional manner. > Glad you found it refreshing. > >> >> Indeed it seems to me it is best to be trained in convention. Then >> one can take that power and push the envelope. > Or, I would add, to have experience and/or familiarity with vintage =20 music (regardless if the knowledge comes from a conservatory). To =20 work without such information might result in music that is completely =20 unique without influence from anything else although the result often =20 re-invents the wheel. > >> >> Thank you for sharing that 'oh my god soooooo awesome music'! :-) >> > Thank you and so many others for the encouragement. My looping work to date as been fairly rhythmic -- mainly to help me =20 stay in sync as I layer the music. I want to create something slow =20 and expressive that is entirely live-looped. Imagine those long notes =20 echoing around a surround-system! Thank you for asking questions about me and my music. I appreciate =20 the knowledge and contributions of the looping community and I am =20 honored to be a part of it. Sincerely, Kevin From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 2 16:37:51 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1477C3BECA; Fri, 2 Nov 2007 16:37:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <017c01c81d6e$af02bf20$5901a8c0@bobdell> Reply-To: "Bob Amstadt" From: "Bob Amstadt" To: References: <20071102105215.d45tm77xmok44gc8@69.89.21.76> Subject: OT: cable wraps with custom printing? Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2007 09:37:38 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Resent-Message-ID: <-e4iAB.A.55.eJ1KHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/75935 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2007 16:37:51 +0000 (UTC) Hi guys, I'm looking for a company that will sell cable wraps with custom printing on them. I want to buy some to give away at trade shows. Anybody know where I can go to get these done? Thanks, Bob From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 2 17:15:29 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DE8FC3BEC2; Fri, 2 Nov 2007 17:15:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "Aaron Leese" To: Subject: RE: FlyLoops and electronic instruments Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2007 10:15:10 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1250" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 In-Reply-To: <20071102112957.25yu8zzgzk4gsw88@69.89.21.76> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Thread-Index: Acgdbanz6q91Fyj0R4+clmjW6dgJxQAA8K0Q Message-Id: <20071102171528.288223BEB6@arsenic.violacea.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/75936 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2007 17:15:29 +0000 (UTC) Yeah ... www.flyloops.com ... there are several demo (videos) on this page that do a pretty good job explaining the features. The videos are pretty old though, so some things have changed. You could also listen to the recording I posted yesterday (www.aaronleese.com/sickness%20spreading.mp3 ) ... which demonstrates the some of the key features. I was hoping for some feedback on that one ... but it's apparently too bad for anyone to even comment ... geesh. The two main selling points for flyloops are: 1 - Loops of different length, synced (or not), independently controllable. So you can record a dozen different layers and then turn them on/off at will or change the volume or effects on individual layers. 2 - Group Looping: If you have an audio device with multiple inputs, they are kept separate by flyloops, so you can choose to record one but ignore another (when a certain button is pushed, say). This allows for group looping (multiple people all playing and looping together with the same syncing scheme, but each controlling when his/her instrument is recorded). It's gonna be a while before I have a VST version programmed ... if I write a VST slave version of flyloops ... then yes, it will plug in to Cubase. Since Cubase is Rewire compatible, you can also use ReWire to specify that the audio outputs of Cubase should be routed to flyloops (or vice versa). Flyloops does run at 48kHz, yes. You can spcify 44.1 or 48 ... and 16,24 or 32 bit. There is no demo, the commercial version should be out this spring ... pricing is still up in the air. Probably $400-$500 for a foot pedal device and the software .... $300 for the software alone (with a hardware dongle). -----Original Message----- From: kkissinger@kevinkissinger.com [mailto:kkissinger@kevinkissinger.com] Sent: Friday, November 02, 2007 9:30 AM To: aaronleese@flyloops.com Subject: Re: FlyLoops and electronic instruments Aaron, Since your Flyloops demo was right after my set I didn't get to see very much. Do you have a website/brochure that explains the features of Flyloops? Also, will Flyloops VST implementation plug in to Cubase's 5.1 buss? If I run Cubase at a 48Khz sample rate will Flyloops work? The reason I ask about 48khz is that I use 24-bit ADAT lightpipe from my K2600 to my DAW and it runs at 48khz. Thus, I have standardized around 48khz to avoid having to switch between 44.1 and 48. Is there a demo copy of flyloops available? How much will the production version cost? Sorry if you have already answered these questions before. Sincerely, Kevin Quoting Aaron Leese : > > > Hey all ... > > In response to the many inquiries I got about using Flyloops with VSTs and > other programs, I've gone ahead and applied for a license from Propellerhead > to get the libraries to make Flyloops Rewire compatible. > > In English ..... this will make it possible to use the output from other > programs (like samplers which generate the sound for electronic > instruments/keyboards, etc. or VST instruments) ... and use that sound as > the inputs that Flyloops sees, and can then loop. Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.487 / Virus Database: 0.0.0/0 - Release Date: 12:00 AM Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Free Edition. 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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 2 18:30:08 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E014C3BEC7; Fri, 2 Nov 2007 18:30:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <472B6C80.8030207@post.cybercity.dk> Date: Fri, 02 Nov 2007 19:29:20 +0100 From: van Sinn Reply-To: vansinn@post.cybercity.dk Organization: van Sinn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight Subject: Need time sync explained Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/75937 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2007 18:30:07 +0000 (UTC) If using looping in a band not using any sequencing, say a rockband with no keyboards, any looper will be free running in it's own tempo, AFAICT. Don't think the looper cares about the band chemistry ;) As a guitar player, I'd want not having to preset bpm's, but just tap when I feel like it, after which the looper need to keep it sync. Yup, you can tell I have no looper! I may go for a HW looper, but drift more'n'more towards a SW solution on a labmactop, probably as a pluging, to integrate with Logic's MainStage. I'm studying http://www.krispenhartung.com/software-looping.htm ATM.. So, how to sync? sensors on the drum kit into.. something generating MIDI sync info? -- rgds, van Sinn From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 2 19:09:58 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DD64A3BEB6; Fri, 2 Nov 2007 19:09:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=oCgaGY6/0gEBIrKjwsMnUIgo2u0C2FV50G1COAtfgf0=; b=FTq7lcmGsHTgh0iqLsjYX4xMOiKfQvXkUBdDN8nwz75XuQJ8W0wYS7JKOmKNZClzyIUCxs3R5O3wfj7ITQL2x+zUeNBPTkCggCcDq4GKVJuJMOkaa/3phndcYkn5El9VzocoSyGHxcFTdWta7+YCXgIuaALc2hFBuGksvQdjl3I= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=TCRME/DtVOwTYtp09FvnH4hweYo/w9TCIINhEn29UCH6Y0MiKxC6j5jG47WeTXbrF8lfZISQeEXFoC5xkj3Ok31pc0H10DqP6OH9OxTCPxSzFwo4LF0lM0iS30kC6zI8CE+7ug2u/47/mbdFqQuWj7XAa0VUdplF+ucjhwgrZEA= Message-ID: <9e0440a60711021209s5c9d4587g93515410cd185a1c@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2007 15:09:56 -0400 From: "Jim Goodin" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: New CD Release: Music Unfit for Children In-Reply-To: <00e101c81cf4$2537c8f0$0eaae40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/related; boundary="----=_Part_18635_1092156.1194030596590" References: <00e101c81cf4$2537c8f0$0eaae40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/75938 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2007 19:09:58 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_18635_1092156.1194030596590 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_18636_15243354.1194030596590" ------=_Part_18636_15243354.1194030596590 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Kris this is a very cool almost like an 'Alice in Wunderland' record. Have been streaming in the background at work and particularly like the Frisellian guitar work on one piece, not keeping trax of names just letting the Box player rotate, but particularly like what you are doing in that. I also like the dense reverb giving that Alice down the rabbit hole feel plus the occasional crys. Good stuff! Jim On 11/1/07, Krispen Hartung wrote: > > Here is my latest. I enjoyed making this CD more than any other in my > discography. It reminded me how much fun it is to be a kid again. :) > > "Forks on Lids" is probably my favorite, the only one with me playing > guitar. This image, also in the main CD page below, has a picture of all > the instruments used on the CD. > http://www.krispenhartung.com/music-unfit-for-children/tray-card.jpg > > Kris > > *Music Unfit for Children > *by Krispen, Tristan, & Kyra Hartung > Buy - http://kunaki.com/Sales.asp?PID=PX00ZQC8SO > Download MP3 version for free: http://www.box.net/shared/x5x8q492br > More info, pictures of artwork, etc: > http://www.krispenhartung.com/music-unfit-for-children/index.htm > > > > *Music Unfit for Children* is a Hartung family collaboration and > experimental collection of improvisational compositions. Each musical > composition is based on various children's toys, acoustic and foundsound > instruments, and processing by the notebook computer and Cycling 74's > Max/MSP. > > - Krispen Hartung - Mini electric guitar, Notebook computer, Cycling > 74 Max/MSP, Native Instruments Reaktor 5, vtech(R) Bright Lights toy phone, > Alphabet Pal(R) Caterpillar, Joe Rut Sound Machine, Craftsman(R) Toy Screwdriver > , Spinning Star Globe Wand > - Tristan Hartung - Nylon string acoustic guitar, fork on pot lid, > Electronic toothbrush, Voice > - Kyra Hartung - Fork on pot lid, Electronic toothbrush, Voice > > > *Song List* (linked to MP3s) > > Alphabet Pal > Bright Lights > Electronic Toothbrush Ensemble > Forks on Lids > Unprepared Guitar > > *Credits* > > - CD cover artwork by Tristan and Kyra Hartung (2 1/2 years old) > - CD production by Kunaki (www.kunaki.com) > - CD tray card photo by Krispen Hartung; inside sleeve photo of > Krispen by Mark Hamburg; inside sleeve photos of Tristan and Kyra by Carissa > Hartung > - Song credits and instrumentation: > - Alphabet Pal: > Krispen Hartung (Alphabet Pal(R) Caterpillar, laptop computer > processing via Max/MSP and Reaktor 5) > - Bright Lights: > Krispen Hartung (vtech(R) Bright Lights toy phone, laptop > computer processing via Max/MSP and Reaktor 5) > - Electronic Toothbrush Ensemble: > Tristan & Kyra Hartung (voice, electronic toothbrushes), Krispen Hartung > (the Joe Rut Sound Machine, laptop computer processing via Max/MSP and > Reaktor 5) > - Forks on Lids: > Tristan & Kyra Hartung (kitchen forks and pod lids, voice), Krispen Hartung > (mini electric guitar, laptop computer processing via Max/MSP and Reaktor 5) > - Unprepared Guitar: > Tristan Hartung (nylon string acoustic guitar), Krispen Hartung (laptop > computer processing via Max/MSP and Reaktor 5) > > > > -- The Acoustic World Guitar of Jim Goodin - http://www.jimgoodinmusic.com MySpace (solo) - http://www.myspace.com/jimgoodinmusic Chinapainting - http://www.chinapaintingmusic.com Chinapainting on My Space - http://www.myspace.com/chinapaintingmusic.com The Jim Goodin label and home for 7 other creative souls - http://www.woodandwiremusic.com Jim Goodin uses GHS Strings - http://www.ghsstrings.com and Seagull Guitars - http://www.seagullguitars.com, Jim Goodin is published by Mel Bay Publications, Inc. - http://www.melbay.com Associates and friends on the web - Daryl Shawn - http://www.swanwelder.com Adam Werner - http://www.adamwerner.com John Stowell - http://www.johnstowell.com Matt Richards - http://www.mattrichardsmusic.net Michael Manring - http://www.manthing.com Will Ackerman - http://www.williamackerman.com New Land Music - http://www.newlandmusic.com ------=_Part_18636_15243354.1194030596590 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline
Kris this is a very cool almost like an 'Alice in Wunderland' record.  Have been streaming in the background at work and particularly like the Frisellian guitar work on one piece, not keeping trax of names just letting the Box player rotate, but particularly like what you are doing in that.  I also like the dense reverb giving that Alice down the rabbit hole feel plus the occasional crys.  Good stuff!
 
Jim

 
On 11/1/07, Krispen Hartung <khartung@cableone.net> wrote:
Here is my latest. I enjoyed making this CD more than any other in my discography. It reminded me how much fun it is to be a kid again. :)
 
"Forks on Lids" is probably my favorite, the only one with me playing guitar.  This image, also in the main CD page below, has a picture of all the instruments used on the CD. http://www.krispenhartung.com/music-unfit-for-children/tray-card.jpg
 
Kris 
 
Music Unfit for Children
by Krispen, Tristan, & Kyra Hartung
Buy - http://kunaki.com/Sales.asp?PID=PX00ZQC8SO
Download MP3 version for free: http://www.box.net/shared/x5x8q492br
More info, pictures of artwork, etc: http://www.krispenhartung.com/music-unfit-for-children/index.htm



Music Unfit for Children is a Hartung family collaboration and experimental collection of improvisational compositions. Each musical composition is based on various children's toys, acoustic and foundsound instruments, and processing by the notebook computer and Cycling 74's Max/MSP.
  • Krispen Hartung - Mini electric guitar, Notebook computer, Cycling 74 Max/MSP, Native Instruments Reaktor 5, vtech® Bright Lights toy phone, Alphabet Pal® Caterpillar, Joe Rut Sound Machine, Craftsman® Toy Screwdriver , Spinning Star Globe Wand
  • Tristan Hartung - Nylon string acoustic guitar, fork on pot lid, Electronic toothbrush, Voice
  • Kyra Hartung - Fork on pot lid, Electronic toothbrush, Voice
 
Song List (linked to MP3s)
 

Credits

  • CD cover artwork by Tristan and Kyra Hartung (2 1/2 years old)
  • CD production by Kunaki (www.kunaki.com )
  • CD tray card photo by Krispen Hartung; inside sleeve photo of Krispen by Mark Hamburg; inside sleeve photos of Tristan and Kyra by Carissa Hartung
  • Song credits and instrumentation:
    • Alphabet Pal: Krispen Hartung (Alphabet Pal® Caterpillar, laptop computer processing via Max/MSP and Reaktor 5)
    • Bright Lights: Krispen Hartung ( vtech® Bright Lights toy phone, laptop computer processing via Max/MSP and Reaktor 5)
    • Electronic Toothbrush Ensemble : Tristan & Kyra Hartung (voice, electronic toothbrushes), Krispen Hartung (the Joe Rut Sound Machine, laptop computer processing via Max/MSP and Reaktor 5)
    • Forks on Lids: Tristan & Kyra Hartung (kitchen forks and pod lids, voice), Krispen Hartung (mini electric guitar, laptop computer processing via Max/MSP and Reaktor 5)
    • Unprepared Guitar: Tristan Hartung (nylon string acoustic guitar), Krispen Hartung (laptop computer processing via Max/MSP and Reaktor 5)



    --
    The Acoustic World Guitar of Jim Goodin  - http://www.jimgoodinmusic.com
    MySpace (solo) - http://www.myspace.com/jimgoodinmusic
    Chinapainting -
    http://www.chinapaintingmusic.com
    Chinapainting on My Space -
    http://www.myspace.com/chinapaintingmusic.com
    The Jim Goodin label and home for 7 other creative souls - http://www.woodandwiremusic.com
    Jim Goodin uses GHS Strings - http://www.ghsstrings.com and Seagull Guitars - http://www.seagullguitars.com, Jim Goodin is published by Mel Bay Publications, Inc. - http://www.melbay.com

    Associates and friends on the web -
    Daryl Shawn -
    http://www.swanwelder.com
    Adam Werner - http://www.adamwerner.com
    John Stowell - http://www.johnstowell.com
    Matt Richards - http://www.mattrichardsmusic.net
    Michael Manring - http://www.manthing.com
    Will Ackerman - http://www.williamackerman.com
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b=HmcMR+GdgKilFwRahx78nN+Xve8QzfeKqUBQUYOt33giRG+1PskZzlUbJqXtf8EujI5HUhb1sbSCSBffZg5XrWfGYn8LC119rXEdCKPVKPw4zrDS4jcH09Yy5sGnnz+MVLzKef/Oq6jLr27ecrrFrat39TSKumHA3BqMjNbAOaE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=iBkrfIuFf7vQYZY1usBGRxO5UCP7Ggu2mPlgqLESJrcT1Y1UWy7rj+Un/tF4NP+iHUj1ZfKk8Wu5V3bMiillrxtSZTApuc7JOYc4RDZgFPDbWR/u/YTRBZtWLmH/ClGRd37dr4ERfWmZDlW35y52/tIfiru1Ya2ONp9cmWCVCe4= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <472B6C80.8030207@post.cybercity.dk> References: <472B6C80.8030207@post.cybercity.dk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <00D88560-BFB0-419D-8B67-3960CDA8865D@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Need time sync explained Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2007 20:13:18 +0100 To: Loopers X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: <2_VEYC.A.SPG.hb3KHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/75939 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2007 19:13:37 +0000 (UTC) On Nov 2, 2007, at 19:29, van Sinn wrote: > I may go for a HW looper, but drift more'n'more towards a SW > solution on a labmactop, probably as a pluging, to integrate with > Logic's MainStage. > > So, how to sync? sensors on the drum kit into.. something > generating MIDI sync info? My advice is to sync manually by either tempo tapping a pedal or using a pedal button that restarts all loops instantly. I give this advice because a "restart/trigger all loops" kick button works better for me compared to other methods I have used with Electrixpro Repeater, Gibson Echoplex, Ableton Live and Mobius. I too like MainStage a lot, but I still use Logic for looping virtual MIDI instruments. I make this choice because I like using some functions I have built in the Environment, like different arpeggio lines and a tuned/intelligent chord creator (the Chord Memorizer object, for those who know Logic). However, If I should have been playing guitar only, I would go with MainStage right away. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 2 20:13:01 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 27AF53BECA; Fri, 2 Nov 2007 20:13:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "Aaron Leese" To: Subject: RE: funky music from lack of sleep Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2007 13:12:46 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1250" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Thread-Index: Acgcovrq1UNH1tGdQIC5dAraNHNolgAPG2rgACtJO7A= In-Reply-To: <20071101234201.16EFD3BEAC@arsenic.violacea.com> Message-Id: <20071102201259.33C3A3BEAB@arsenic.violacea.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/75940 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2007 20:13:01 +0000 (UTC) No comments at all ... That is amazing =85. Please, feel free to write = back and tell me if my work sucks ... I don=92t get easily offended. I know it=92s not as experimental as most of what get posted here ... = But that=92s ok too, yes ? I can't believe I am replying to my own post ...=20 -----Original Message----- From: Aaron Leese [mailto:aaronleese@flyloops.com]=20 Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2007 4:42 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: funky music from lack of sleep Monday I got a new function finished for Flyloops which allows you to = save your session ... that is, save everything you are playing and looping. So I've been sitting here playing and recording and barely eating for a couple days now (get going on a project and suddenly it's 3AM and your wondering why your so hungry .... ha). Anyway .... I thought I would share ... since I realized I have yet to = have ever posted any music on here, and this one turned out nicely. Feedback is always appreciated .... http://www.aaronleese.com/sickness%20spreading.mp3 Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Free Edition.=20 Version: 7.5.487 / Virus Database: 0.0.0/0 - Release Date: = 12:00 AM =20 Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Free Edition.=20 Version: 7.5.487 / Virus Database: 0.0.0/0 - Release Date: = 12:00 AM =20 Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Free Edition.=20 Version: 7.5.487 / Virus Database: 0.0.0/0 - Release Date: = 12:00 AM =20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 2 20:26:19 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D9C253BEC2; Fri, 2 Nov 2007 20:26:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <20071102152613.kj35ycszk4g8kc0o@69.89.21.76> Date: Fri, 02 Nov 2007 15:26:13 -0500 From: kkissinger@kevinkissinger.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: funky music from lack of sleep References: <20071102201259.33C3A3BEAB@arsenic.violacea.com> In-Reply-To: <20071102201259.33C3A3BEAB@arsenic.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.3) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - box76.bluehost.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - kevinkissinger.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/75941 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2007 20:26:19 +0000 (UTC) Aaron, You beat me to the punch! I listened to your work and enjoyed it. It well demonstrates your =20 software's ability to layer and synchronize many tracks. Look forward to learning more =20 about your software and to hear more music. Sincerely, Kevin Quoting Aaron Leese : > > > No comments at all ... That is amazing =E2=80=A6. Please, feel free to wri= te back > and tell me if my work sucks ... I don=E2=80=99t get easily offended. > > I know it=E2=80=99s not as experimental as most of what get posted here ..= . But > that=E2=80=99s ok too, yes ? > > I can't believe I am replying to my own post ... > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Aaron Leese [mailto:aaronleese@flyloops.com] > Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2007 4:42 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: funky music from lack of sleep > > > > > Monday I got a new function finished for Flyloops which allows you to save > your session ... that is, save everything you are playing and looping. > > So I've been sitting here playing and recording and barely eating for a > couple days now (get going on a project and suddenly it's 3AM and your > wondering why your so hungry .... ha). > > Anyway .... I thought I would share ... since I realized I have yet to hav= e > ever posted any music on here, and this one turned out nicely. > > Feedback is always appreciated .... > > http://www.aaronleese.com/sickness%20spreading.mp3 > > > Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.487 / Virus Database: 0.0.0/0 - Release Date: 12:00 > AM > > > > Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.487 / Virus Database: 0.0.0/0 - Release Date: 12:00 > AM > > > Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.487 / Virus Database: 0.0.0/0 - Release Date: 12:00 > AM > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 2 20:29:30 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id ECF9F3BED2; Fri, 2 Nov 2007 20:29:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <010d01c81d8f$117135e0$52b4ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <20071102171528.288223BEB6@arsenic.violacea.com> Subject: Re: FlyLoops and electronic instruments Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2007 14:29:28 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="windows-1250"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/75942 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2007 20:29:30 +0000 (UTC) Hi Aaron - As a max user, I am intrigued the re-wire capability with FlyLoops. But before I go into that, can you just send us a text list of features and functionality. I am at the website, and the video demos are cool, but I don't have much time and just need the facts. Any other specs would be usefull too. Thanks! Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Aaron Leese" To: Sent: Friday, November 02, 2007 11:15 AM Subject: RE: FlyLoops and electronic instruments > > > > Yeah ... www.flyloops.com ... there are several demo (videos) on this page > that do a pretty good job explaining the features. The videos are pretty > old though, so some things have changed. You could also listen to the > recording I posted yesterday > (www.aaronleese.com/sickness%20spreading.mp3 ) > ... which demonstrates the some of the key features. I was hoping for > some > feedback on that one ... but it's apparently too bad for anyone to even > comment ... geesh. > > The two main selling points for flyloops are: > > 1 - Loops of different length, synced (or not), independently > controllable. > So you can record a dozen different layers and then turn them on/off at > will > or change the volume or effects on individual layers. > > 2 - Group Looping: If you have an audio device with multiple inputs, they > are kept separate by flyloops, so you can choose to record one but ignore > another (when a certain button is pushed, say). This allows for group > looping (multiple people all playing and looping together with the same > syncing scheme, but each controlling when his/her instrument is recorded). > > > > It's gonna be a while before I have a VST version programmed ... if I > write > a VST slave version of flyloops ... then yes, it will plug in to Cubase. > Since Cubase is Rewire compatible, you can also use ReWire to specify that > the audio outputs of Cubase should be routed to flyloops (or vice versa). > > Flyloops does run at 48kHz, yes. You can spcify 44.1 or 48 ... and 16,24 > or > 32 bit. > > There is no demo, the commercial version should be out this spring ... > pricing is still up in the air. Probably $400-$500 for a foot pedal > device > and the software .... $300 for the software alone (with a hardware > dongle). > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: kkissinger@kevinkissinger.com [mailto:kkissinger@kevinkissinger.com] > Sent: Friday, November 02, 2007 9:30 AM > To: aaronleese@flyloops.com > Subject: Re: FlyLoops and electronic instruments > > Aaron, > > Since your Flyloops demo was right after my set I didn't get to see very > much. > > Do you have a website/brochure that explains the features of Flyloops? > > Also, will Flyloops VST implementation plug in to Cubase's 5.1 buss? > > If I run Cubase at a 48Khz sample rate will Flyloops work? > > The reason I ask about 48khz is that I use 24-bit ADAT lightpipe from > my K2600 to my DAW and it runs at 48khz. Thus, I have standardized > around 48khz to avoid having to switch between 44.1 and 48. > > Is there a demo copy of flyloops available? How much will the > production version cost? > > Sorry if you have already answered these questions before. > > Sincerely, > > Kevin > Quoting Aaron Leese : > >> >> >> Hey all ... >> >> In response to the many inquiries I got about using Flyloops with VSTs >> and >> other programs, I've gone ahead and applied for a license from > Propellerhead >> to get the libraries to make Flyloops Rewire compatible. >> >> In English ..... this will make it possible to use the output from other >> programs (like samplers which generate the sound for electronic >> instruments/keyboards, etc. or VST instruments) ... and use that sound as >> the inputs that Flyloops sees, and can then loop. > > Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.487 / Virus Database: 0.0.0/0 - Release Date: 12:00 > AM > > > Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.487 / Virus Database: 0.0.0/0 - Release Date: 12:00 > AM > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 2 20:54:03 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D511E3BED2; Fri, 2 Nov 2007 20:54:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <20071102155359.lskw9hubk4sg884k@69.89.21.76> Date: Fri, 02 Nov 2007 15:53:59 -0500 From: kkissinger@kevinkissinger.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: two pieces for contemporary dance References: <0eb5c2486d0b573470e2266b92e0f2f2@gmx.net> In-Reply-To: <0eb5c2486d0b573470e2266b92e0f2f2@gmx.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.3) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - box76.bluehost.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - kevinkissinger.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/75943 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2007 20:54:03 +0000 (UTC) Nico, The idea of reading poetry through a vocoder to integrate the reading harmonically into the music is great. This technique is new to me. You could probably do some cool things with looped vocoder tracks. Enjoyed the minimalist piano parts, too. -- Kevin From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 2 21:16:26 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C5F7D3BEDC; Fri, 2 Nov 2007 21:16:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "Aaron Leese" To: Subject: RE: FlyLoops and electronic instruments Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2007 14:16:11 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1250" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Thread-Index: AcgdjxYybHbnbItnSEKyTjaqFFPbnwABYf0g In-Reply-To: <010d01c81d8f$117135e0$52b4ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Message-Id: <20071102211625.093E83BED2@arsenic.violacea.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/75944 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2007 21:16:26 +0000 (UTC) Sure will .... I actually just sent a rather overly detailed list to Rainer too .... = so let me resurrect that ... I'll edit it down a bit for yah. Second thought ..... No I won't ..... better idea is to let it stand, since others may have useful input on the flyloops/mobius comparison. By the way ... already got that degree ... and yes, it was mad fun .... = one needs some relief from the dry engineering classes ... and philosophy is just the right stuff. So here is that email ...... :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::= :: I am certainly no mobius expert .. so perhaps you can help me through = this. Lets do this one item at a time: INTERFACE / INTERACTION : I know mobius can handle multiple loops in parallel, as can flyloops ... = and I think the approaches we use are somewhat similar ... Screenshots: Flyloops - www.flyloops.com/screenshot.jpg=20 Mobius - http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/zonemobius It looks like you can control various aspects of multiple loops at the = same time from either program .... by this I mean hit a couple pedals and = tell the program to turn certain loops on/off on the next repeat ... stack on = a certain loop (but not the others) .... then maybe tweek a knob on a midi controller and change the volume or pan of one of your loops. INITIAL LOOP: Both flyloops and mobius (I think) get their timing from an intial = recorded loop ... the "master". All others are synced to that, or not ... which brings us to ..... SYNCING: I am not sure what polyrythmic is on the looping comparison chart .. but = I bet we have the same idea here. All loops in flyloops can be recorded = as: - full sync - meaning start/stop recording only at the masters loop = boundary .. so all loops start/stop with the master, and are a multiple of the = master loops length - partial sync - start recording whenever I tap in, but when I tap out = .. wait until the loop is some multiple of the masters length ... so all = loops are a multiple of the length ... but will start/stop only at a = particular offset to the master. - No sync - just start and stop when I tap ... so the loop can be any length, and will not sync to the master. I imagine it is the same in mobius .... ? MASTER: switch which loop is master .. I am sure that mobius does this. MIDI CONTROL: I think they are comparable with this ... both programs have a wide = variety of functions that can be mapped to midi commands. TEMPO/PITCH SHIFT: I haven't programmed this yet... so currently there is no tempo or pitch shifting (there use to be, when I used DirectX .. you'll notice in one = of the videos) ... but ASIO has no inherent support for this ... but this = is top of the list of things to get done. TAP TEMPO: Mobius does this ... Flyloops will, once pitch/tempo shift is complete. VST:=20 Mobius blows me out of the water here ... flyloops cannot run as a VST (yet). GROUP LOOPING: Can mobius specify which audio stream to record by device .. such as, = when receiving a certain command ... I record only the left audio source = (which happens to be, say, the drums) ... I sync it according to the sync = setting ADD/ MULTIPLY/ OVERWRITE: same, I think STACK: Flyloops lets you stack on loops individually ... with whatever decay you wish ... I imagine mobius is the same. CONSOLIDATE: consolidate loops ... select three and make them one. I = don=92t know if mobius does this .... ? GROUPING: Specify that loops 1,2 and 4 are in group I .... loop 5 is in group II, = and 3 isnt in a group .... then change the volume for group I ... or the pan = on group II ..... or stutter the loops in group I .... I imagine mobius can do this ... ? EXTERNAL SYNCING: flyloops doesn't do this ... though once it is rewire compatible it = should by able to sync to internal sources. And .... you could set up an = external source to trigger the rec button ... so sync that way .... but you could = NOT track to an external drum machine as you changed tempo for example. SAVING: Flyloops can save in two way .... first, export the loops as wav files. Also .. there is a record session button which records the performance = ... it records to two files ... one which is live input (The solos being = played) the other is flyloops output .. the loops (after volume, etc. = adjustments). I don=92t know if mobius does this second one ... but it's a easy thing = to add if it doesn't. Woooosh ..... long email ... I gotta get some food. Did I miss anything? Write back with questions if yah got em'. Cheers Aaron Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Free Edition.=20 Version: 7.5.487 / Virus Database: 0.0.0/0 - Release Date: = 12:00 AM =20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 2 22:01:43 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 95FDD3BEB9; Fri, 2 Nov 2007 22:01:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <380-22007115222127933@M2W014.mail2web.com> X-Priority: 3 Reply-To: qua@oregon.com X-Originating-IP: 134.134.136.4 X-URL: http://mail2web.com/ From: "qua@oregon.com" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: two pieces for contemporary dance Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2007 18:01:27 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/75945 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2007 22:01:43 +0000 (UTC) Hi Nico, please repost the link to your "two pieces for contemporay dance"=2E thanks -Qua Original Message: ----------------- From: kkissinger@kevinkissinger=2Ecom Date: Fri, 02 Nov 2007 15:53:59 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight=2Ecom Subject: Re: two pieces for contemporary dance Nico, The idea of reading poetry through a vocoder to integrate the reading =20 harmonically into the music is great=2E This technique is new to me=2E You could probably do some cool things with looped vocoder tracks=2E Enjoyed the minimalist piano parts, too=2E -- Kevin -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web LIVE =96 Free email based on Microsoft=AE Exchange technology - http://link=2Email2web=2Ecom/LIVE From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 2 22:52:44 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4EEDE3BECC; Fri, 2 Nov 2007 22:52:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <380-220071152225242698@M2W041.mail2web.com> X-Priority: 3 Reply-To: qua@oregon.com X-Originating-IP: 134.134.136.4 X-URL: http://mail2web.com/ From: "qua@oregon.com" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2007 18:52:42 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: OT: new processor for Mac laptops, same price Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/75946 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2007 22:52:44 +0000 (UTC) FYI: MacBook (and Macbook pro) laptops released this week=2E more power s= ame price=2E using Intel=92s new =93Santa Rosa=94 chipset=2E=20 Besides a better graphics card (the Intel GMA X3100 processor) and a faste= r front-side bus, the Santa-Rosa-equipped laptops will also support the latest, 802=2E11n Wi-Fi specification=2E The base model will get a slightl= y faster 2-Ghz Intel=AE Core=992 Duo processor T7300, and mid- and upper-ran= ge models will get a 2=2E2-GHz chip, according to PC Magazine =2E Benchmark= s show ~ 10% increase in performance=2E -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://link=2Email2web=2Ecom/mail2web From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 2 23:13:17 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 44EC53BED3; Fri, 2 Nov 2007 23:13:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; bh=+fpscK84cLoMoF8SFmxFpPdz6e15Ua50fQPh6u3o8M0=; b=liDohoBnrsfRZu8W0VnsV+iOa7sJtpXswNolyu+LRTIG05XpjivHY/9rzmpilI1AM5f1G913U2HdhmEceRnYVZ1Df3MzKvMPudz+NfGeoP42C+3WPFKY3MCAf/SQ6D1rOiaGDAlBVKthT2InXLmy7qZv3gbcexEM+gAjzfzDbBU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=j+UdnmbNevA+DCI3qhSXaoeBauaPkw+RqNDL7lPFgkOx6iweNSyPLDv10WDbEXqnlMk2t9QTEv64MMOZy6tlIhXSbi27fywXkyauL+kJ+WasezR+7SmOs2ZeF0mDIhh4ElhRtkv31tAdTSxTI5cBZOkCGi+JDhpTQo0NxNcrAEI= Message-ID: <9e0440a60711021613v2b08e47fhd084e72007838008@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2007 19:13:14 -0400 From: "Jim Goodin" To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Somewhat OT: Macbook screen quest or recommenation MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_19887_6078189.1194045194687" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/75947 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2007 23:13:17 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_19887_6078189.1194045194687 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Hey folks... Qua's email regarding the Mac Intel chip reminded me I should poll the group for input re a Mac problem. My son's Intel Macbook took a hit recently and the display has reincarnated to a lava lamp look. Apple reports @$600 for the redo which is too nuts to consider. I'm seeking a damaged Macbook that I could get a screen from or anybody have any potential leads where I might find an affordable replace beyond porting to a secondary display? Thanks and good weekend to all Jim -- The Acoustic World Guitar of Jim Goodin - http://www.jimgoodinmusic.com MySpace (solo) - http://www.myspace.com/jimgoodinmusic Chinapainting - http://www.chinapaintingmusic.com Chinapainting on My Space - http://www.myspace.com/chinapaintingmusic.com The Jim Goodin label and home for 7 other creative souls - http://www.woodandwiremusic.com Jim Goodin uses GHS Strings - http://www.ghsstrings.com and Seagull Guitars - http://www.seagullguitars.com, Jim Goodin is published by Mel Bay Publications, Inc. - http://www.melbay.com ------=_Part_19887_6078189.1194045194687 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline
    Hey folks...
     
    Qua's email regarding the Mac Intel chip reminded me I should poll the group for input re a Mac problem.  My son's Intel Macbook took a hit recently and the display has reincarnated to a lava lamp look.  Apple reports @$600 for the redo which is too nuts to consider.  I'm seeking a damaged Macbook that I could get a screen from or anybody have any potential leads where I might find an affordable replace beyond porting to a secondary display?
     
    Thanks and good weekend to all
     
    Jim
     
    --
    The Acoustic World Guitar of Jim Goodin  - http://www.jimgoodinmusic.com
    MySpace (solo) - http://www.myspace.com/jimgoodinmusic
    Chinapainting -
    http://www.chinapaintingmusic.com
    Chinapainting on My Space -
    http://www.myspace.com/chinapaintingmusic.com
    The Jim Goodin label and home for 7 other creative souls - http://www.woodandwiremusic.com
    Jim Goodin uses GHS Strings - http://www.ghsstrings.com and Seagull Guitars - http://www.seagullguitars.com, Jim Goodin is published by Mel Bay Publications, Inc. - http://www.melbay.com
     
    ------=_Part_19887_6078189.1194045194687-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 2 23:40:45 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 98B8E3BECA; Fri, 2 Nov 2007 23:40:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=WxxC88EUCWvwE4l9rJyL+0U+kwoPqsk5aRGJ6kngUak=; b=lCVe0eQbwMgEEEZl09sf11Vp5xs8N6s8tjrJnGUroDO7tzACXcUEjJv9lYp10EZLNMfsfNjymqzHGuA/m9m2I6Z/P/+qeliHbju6mGKYIKJJHs74TJSHfrHM6PGOuESnkgEfHWaagd7OSh1jdSrYQ7u/3L4IW6zW9LwDYgGppvc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=djA2zZcLl2CRL/rOqLa2IzumNpd3nYkvdcjqnv4+PPkrPO4H7t5B9S8+5MqlMMx2JPJUlVrXPNBeei4p31Vhioigln6roMYGqxKIHOjQZ/dCwOGMV0/k0UxnvyWBxkERCoDZsErlnOAXhFeq/rdP9sv3LI26hbZe0wGLylhhI8w= Message-ID: <9e0440a60711021640g2bd2800dh8aa148440294acdc@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2007 19:40:43 -0400 From: "Jim Goodin" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: New CD Release: Music Unfit for Children In-Reply-To: <00e101c81cf4$2537c8f0$0eaae40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/related; boundary="----=_Part_19956_32275318.1194046843854" References: <00e101c81cf4$2537c8f0$0eaae40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Resent-Message-ID: <4xa6C.A.B2.9V7KHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/75948 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2007 23:40:45 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_19956_32275318.1194046843854 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_19957_1559201.1194046843854" ------=_Part_19957_1559201.1194046843854 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Krispen continuing to echo my earlier note, excellent stuff! have had this streaming all day and really dig it, highly creative venture sir... Jim On 11/1/07, Krispen Hartung wrote: > > Here is my latest. I enjoyed making this CD more than any other in my > discography. It reminded me how much fun it is to be a kid again. :) > > "Forks on Lids" is probably my favorite, the only one with me playing > guitar. This image, also in the main CD page below, has a picture of all > the instruments used on the CD. > http://www.krispenhartung.com/music-unfit-for-children/tray-card.jpg > > Kris > > *Music Unfit for Children > *by Krispen, Tristan, & Kyra Hartung > Buy - http://kunaki.com/Sales.asp?PID=PX00ZQC8SO > Download MP3 version for free: http://www.box.net/shared/x5x8q492br > More info, pictures of artwork, etc: > http://www.krispenhartung.com/music-unfit-for-children/index.htm > > > > *Music Unfit for Children* is a Hartung family collaboration and > experimental collection of improvisational compositions. Each musical > composition is based on various children's toys, acoustic and foundsound > instruments, and processing by the notebook computer and Cycling 74's > Max/MSP. > > - Krispen Hartung - Mini electric guitar, Notebook computer, Cycling > 74 Max/MSP, Native Instruments Reaktor 5, vtech(R) Bright Lights toy phone, > Alphabet Pal(R) Caterpillar, Joe Rut Sound Machine, Craftsman(R) Toy Screwdriver > , Spinning Star Globe Wand > - Tristan Hartung - Nylon string acoustic guitar, fork on pot lid, > Electronic toothbrush, Voice > - Kyra Hartung - Fork on pot lid, Electronic toothbrush, Voice > > > *Song List* (linked to MP3s) > > Alphabet Pal > Bright Lights > Electronic Toothbrush Ensemble > Forks on Lids > Unprepared Guitar > > *Credits* > > - CD cover artwork by Tristan and Kyra Hartung (2 1/2 years old) > - CD production by Kunaki (www.kunaki.com) > - CD tray card photo by Krispen Hartung; inside sleeve photo of > Krispen by Mark Hamburg; inside sleeve photos of Tristan and Kyra by Carissa > Hartung > - Song credits and instrumentation: > - Alphabet Pal: > Krispen Hartung (Alphabet Pal(R) Caterpillar, laptop computer > processing via Max/MSP and Reaktor 5) > - Bright Lights: > Krispen Hartung (vtech(R) Bright Lights toy phone, laptop > computer processing via Max/MSP and Reaktor 5) > - Electronic Toothbrush Ensemble: > Tristan & Kyra Hartung (voice, electronic toothbrushes), Krispen Hartung > (the Joe Rut Sound Machine, laptop computer processing via Max/MSP and > Reaktor 5) > - Forks on Lids: > Tristan & Kyra Hartung (kitchen forks and pod lids, voice), Krispen Hartung > (mini electric guitar, laptop computer processing via Max/MSP and Reaktor 5) > - Unprepared Guitar: > Tristan Hartung (nylon string acoustic guitar), Krispen Hartung (laptop > computer processing via Max/MSP and Reaktor 5) > > > > -- The Acoustic World Guitar of Jim Goodin - http://www.jimgoodinmusic.com MySpace (solo) - http://www.myspace.com/jimgoodinmusic Chinapainting - http://www.chinapaintingmusic.com Chinapainting on My Space - http://www.myspace.com/chinapaintingmusic.com The Jim Goodin label and home for 7 other creative souls - http://www.woodandwiremusic.com Jim Goodin uses GHS Strings - http://www.ghsstrings.com and Seagull Guitars - http://www.seagullguitars.com, Jim Goodin is published by Mel Bay Publications, Inc. - http://www.melbay.com Associates and friends on the web - Daryl Shawn - http://www.swanwelder.com Adam Werner - http://www.adamwerner.com John Stowell - http://www.johnstowell.com Matt Richards - http://www.mattrichardsmusic.net Michael Manring - http://www.manthing.com Will Ackerman - http://www.williamackerman.com New Land Music - http://www.newlandmusic.com ------=_Part_19957_1559201.1194046843854 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline
    Krispen continuing to echo my earlier note, excellent stuff! have had this streaming all day and really dig it, highly creative venture sir...
     
    Jim

     
    On 11/1/07, Krispen Hartung <khartung@cableone.net> wrote:
    Here is my latest. I enjoyed making this CD more than any other in my discography. It reminded me how much fun it is to be a kid again. :)
     
    "Forks on Lids" is probably my favorite, the only one with me playing guitar.  This image, also in the main CD page below, has a picture of all the instruments used on the CD. http://www.krispenhartung.com/music-unfit-for-children/tray-card.jpg
     
    Kris 
     
    Music Unfit for Children
    by Krispen, Tristan, & Kyra Hartung
    Buy -     http://kunaki.com/Sales.asp?PID=PX00ZQC8SO
    Download MP3 version for free: http://www.box.net/shared/x5x8q492br
    More info, pictures of artwork, etc: http://www.krispenhartung.com/music-unfit-for-children/index.htm



    Music Unfit for Children is a Hartung family collaboration and experimental collection of improvisational compositions. Each musical composition is based on various children's toys, acoustic and foundsound instruments, and processing by the notebook computer and Cycling 74's Max/MSP.
    • Krispen Hartung - Mini electric guitar, Notebook computer, Cycling 74 Max/MSP, Native Instruments Reaktor 5, vtech® Bright Lights toy phone, Alphabet Pal® Caterpillar, Joe Rut Sound Machine, Craftsman® Toy Screwdriver , Spinning Star Globe Wand
    • Tristan Hartung - Nylon string acoustic guitar, fork on pot lid, Electronic toothbrush, Voice
    • Kyra Hartung - Fork on pot lid, Electronic toothbrush, Voice
     
    Song List (linked to MP3s)
     

    Credits

    • CD cover artwork by Tristan and Kyra Hartung (2 1/2 years old)
    • CD production by Kunaki (www.kunaki.com )
    • CD tray card photo by Krispen Hartung; inside sleeve photo of Krispen by Mark Hamburg; inside sleeve photos of Tristan and Kyra by Carissa Hartung
    • Song credits and instrumentation:
      • Alphabet Pal: Krispen Hartung (Alphabet Pal® Caterpillar, laptop computer processing via Max/MSP and Reaktor 5)
      • Bright Lights: Krispen Hartung ( vtech® Bright Lights toy phone, laptop computer processing via Max/MSP and Reaktor 5)
      • Electronic Toothbrush Ensemble : Tristan & Kyra Hartung (voice, electronic toothbrushes), Krispen Hartung (the Joe Rut Sound Machine, laptop computer processing via Max/MSP and Reaktor 5)
      • Forks on Lids: Tristan & Kyra Hartung (kitchen forks and pod lids, voice), Krispen Hartung (mini electric guitar, laptop computer processing via Max/MSP and Reaktor 5)
      • Unprepared Guitar: Tristan Hartung (nylon string acoustic guitar), Krispen Hartung (laptop computer processing via Max/MSP and Reaktor 5)



      --
      The Acoustic World Guitar of Jim Goodin  - http://www.jimgoodinmusic.com
      MySpace (solo) - http://www.myspace.com/jimgoodinmusic
      Chinapainting -
      http://www.chinapaintingmusic.com
      Chinapainting on My Space -
      http://www.myspace.com/chinapaintingmusic.com
      The Jim Goodin label and home for 7 other creative souls - http://www.woodandwiremusic.com
      Jim Goodin uses GHS Strings - http://www.ghsstrings.com and Seagull Guitars - http://www.seagullguitars.com, Jim Goodin is published by Mel Bay Publications, Inc. - http://www.melbay.com

      Associates and friends on the web -
      Daryl Shawn -
      http://www.swanwelder.com
      Adam Werner - http://www.adamwerner.com
      John Stowell - http://www.johnstowell.com
      Matt Richards - http://www.mattrichardsmusic.net
      Michael Manring - http://www.manthing.com
      Will Ackerman - http://www.williamackerman.com
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Your Cell phone and Fax numbers for easier communication From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 3 00:10:43 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 559653BED6; Sat, 3 Nov 2007 00:10:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <014a01c81dad$f87a6e20$52b4ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <380-220071152225242698@M2W041.mail2web.com> Subject: Re: new processor for Mac laptops, same price Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2007 18:10:40 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/75949 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2007 00:10:43 +0000 (UTC) If you can wait until the January macbook pro releases, you can get the third generation of the duo core...even faster than these. Kris ----- Original Message ----- FYI: MacBook (and Macbook pro) laptops released this week. more power same price. using Intel's new "Santa Rosa" chipset. Besides a better graphics card (the Intel GMA X3100 processor) and a faster front-side bus, the Santa-Rosa-equipped laptops will also support the latest, 802.11n Wi-Fi specification. The base model will get a slightly faster 2-Ghz Intel® CoreT2 Duo processor T7300, and mid- and upper-range models will get a 2.2-GHz chip, according to PC Magazine . Benchmarks show ~ 10% increase in performance. -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://link.mail2web.com/mail2web From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 3 00:23:39 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A0C123BED8; Sat, 3 Nov 2007 00:23:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <015b01c81daf$c7240cd0$52b4ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <20071102211625.093E83BED2@arsenic.violacea.com> Subject: Re: FlyLoops and electronic instruments Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2007 18:23:36 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="windows-1250"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/75950 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2007 00:23:39 +0000 (UTC) Got it. Thanks! This is a good start. So, if I were to create a simple list of functionality, which is all I was really after: Record Overdub/Stack (Boomerang like term?) Multiply Consolidate loops Rewrite (like Substitute in Mobius/EDP?) Loop save Next Loop (is this your A->B?) Audo-Fade Clear Loop Add (what is this?) Mute For the future, what about... Reverse Half Speed (pitch) Double Speed (pitch) Variable speed (via MIDI expression pedal) Scripts/Function Chaining (ability to chain functions together into a single button press) Rate change Random pitch change Random shuffle (randomly select windows of a loop and play in a sequence) VST hosting If you can build all this stuff into future releases, and if I can re-wire with Max so I can run FlyLoops as a standalone, taking the ouput of max/msp), then you may have a new customer. Kris ----- Original Message ----- Sure will .... I actually just sent a rather overly detailed list to Rainer too .... so let me resurrect that ... I'll edit it down a bit for yah. Second thought ..... No I won't ..... better idea is to let it stand, since others may have useful input on the flyloops/mobius comparison. By the way ... already got that degree ... and yes, it was mad fun .... one needs some relief from the dry engineering classes ... and philosophy is just the right stuff. So here is that email ...... ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: I am certainly no mobius expert .. so perhaps you can help me through this. Lets do this one item at a time: INTERFACE / INTERACTION : I know mobius can handle multiple loops in parallel, as can flyloops ... and I think the approaches we use are somewhat similar ... Screenshots: Flyloops - www.flyloops.com/screenshot.jpg Mobius - http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/zonemobius It looks like you can control various aspects of multiple loops at the same time from either program .... by this I mean hit a couple pedals and tell the program to turn certain loops on/off on the next repeat ... stack on a certain loop (but not the others) .... then maybe tweek a knob on a midi controller and change the volume or pan of one of your loops. INITIAL LOOP: Both flyloops and mobius (I think) get their timing from an intial recorded loop ... the "master". All others are synced to that, or not ... which brings us to ..... SYNCING: I am not sure what polyrythmic is on the looping comparison chart .. but I bet we have the same idea here. All loops in flyloops can be recorded as: - full sync - meaning start/stop recording only at the masters loop boundary .. so all loops start/stop with the master, and are a multiple of the master loops length - partial sync - start recording whenever I tap in, but when I tap out .. wait until the loop is some multiple of the masters length ... so all loops are a multiple of the length ... but will start/stop only at a particular offset to the master. - No sync - just start and stop when I tap ... so the loop can be any length, and will not sync to the master. I imagine it is the same in mobius .... ? MASTER: switch which loop is master .. I am sure that mobius does this. MIDI CONTROL: I think they are comparable with this ... both programs have a wide variety of functions that can be mapped to midi commands. TEMPO/PITCH SHIFT: I haven't programmed this yet... so currently there is no tempo or pitch shifting (there use to be, when I used DirectX .. you'll notice in one of the videos) ... but ASIO has no inherent support for this ... but this is top of the list of things to get done. TAP TEMPO: Mobius does this ... Flyloops will, once pitch/tempo shift is complete. VST: Mobius blows me out of the water here ... flyloops cannot run as a VST (yet). GROUP LOOPING: Can mobius specify which audio stream to record by device .. such as, when receiving a certain command ... I record only the left audio source (which happens to be, say, the drums) ... I sync it according to the sync setting ADD/ MULTIPLY/ OVERWRITE: same, I think STACK: Flyloops lets you stack on loops individually ... with whatever decay you wish ... I imagine mobius is the same. CONSOLIDATE: consolidate loops ... select three and make them one. I don’t know if mobius does this .... ? GROUPING: Specify that loops 1,2 and 4 are in group I .... loop 5 is in group II, and 3 isnt in a group .... then change the volume for group I ... or the pan on group II ..... or stutter the loops in group I .... I imagine mobius can do this ... ? EXTERNAL SYNCING: flyloops doesn't do this ... though once it is rewire compatible it should by able to sync to internal sources. And .... you could set up an external source to trigger the rec button ... so sync that way .... but you could NOT track to an external drum machine as you changed tempo for example. SAVING: Flyloops can save in two way .... first, export the loops as wav files. Also .. there is a record session button which records the performance ... it records to two files ... one which is live input (The solos being played) the other is flyloops output .. the loops (after volume, etc. adjustments). I don’t know if mobius does this second one ... but it's a easy thing to add if it doesn't. Woooosh ..... long email ... I gotta get some food. Did I miss anything? Write back with questions if yah got em'. Cheers Aaron Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.487 / Virus Database: 0.0.0/0 - Release Date: 12:00 AM From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 3 00:47:03 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A62403BED9; Sat, 3 Nov 2007 00:47:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <016a01c81db3$0c0e14a0$52b4ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <20071102211625.093E83BED2@arsenic.violacea.com> <015b01c81daf$c7240cd0$52b4ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Subject: Re: FlyLoops and electronic instruments Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2007 18:47:01 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="windows-1250"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/75951 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2007 00:47:03 +0000 (UTC) I forgot to ask. Can you select more than one loop track, or all, and record on all of them simultaneously? Kris > Got it. Thanks! This is a good start. So, if I were to create a simple > list of functionality, which is all I was really after: > > Record > Overdub/Stack (Boomerang like term?) > Multiply > Consolidate loops > Rewrite (like Substitute in Mobius/EDP?) > Loop save > Next Loop (is this your A->B?) > Audo-Fade > Clear Loop > Add (what is this?) > Mute > > For the future, what about... > > Reverse > Half Speed (pitch) > Double Speed (pitch) > Variable speed (via MIDI expression pedal) > Scripts/Function Chaining (ability to chain functions together into a > single button press) > Rate change > Random pitch change > Random shuffle (randomly select windows of a loop and play in a sequence) > VST hosting > > If you can build all this stuff into future releases, and if I can re-wire > with Max so I can run FlyLoops as a standalone, taking the ouput of > max/msp), then you may have a new customer. > > Kris From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 3 00:52:20 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C272D3BEDA; Sat, 3 Nov 2007 00:52:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <01a701c81db3$c8d59090$52b4ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <00e101c81cf4$2537c8f0$0eaae40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <9e0440a60711021640g2bd2800dh8aa148440294acdc@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: New CD Release: Music Unfit for Children Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2007 18:52:17 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/related; type="multipart/alternative"; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_01A3_01C81D81.7DC8AFB0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/75952 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2007 00:52:20 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_01A3_01C81D81.7DC8AFB0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_01A4_01C81D81.7DC8AFB0" ------=_NextPart_001_01A4_01C81D81.7DC8AFB0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thank you! Now the big question, when will my kids be old enough = (ability to behave in controlled situations) to take to Y2K? :) Rick, = one day you will have the Hartung Avant-Garde Looping Trio...at Y2K11? = We will all be hooked up to computers and max/msp. Krispen continuing to echo my earlier note, excellent stuff! have had = this streaming all day and really dig it, highly creative venture sir... Jim =20 On 11/1/07, Krispen Hartung wrote:=20 Here is my latest. I enjoyed making this CD more than any other in = my discography. It reminded me how much fun it is to be a kid again. :) "Forks on Lids" is probably my favorite, the only one with me = playing guitar. This image, also in the main CD page below, has a = picture of all the instruments used on the CD. = http://www.krispenhartung.com/music-unfit-for-children/tray-card.jpg Kris=20 Music Unfit for Children by Krispen, Tristan, & Kyra Hartung Buy - http://kunaki.com/Sales.asp?PID=3DPX00ZQC8SO Download MP3 version for free: http://www.box.net/shared/x5x8q492br=20 More info, pictures of artwork, etc: = http://www.krispenhartung.com/music-unfit-for-children/index.htm Music Unfit for Children is a Hartung family collaboration and = experimental collection of improvisational compositions. Each musical = composition is based on various children's toys, acoustic and foundsound = instruments, and processing by the notebook computer and Cycling 74's = Max/MSP.=20 a.. Krispen Hartung - Mini electric guitar, Notebook computer, = Cycling 74 Max/MSP, Native Instruments Reaktor 5, vtech=AE Bright Lights = toy phone, Alphabet Pal=AE Caterpillar, Joe Rut Sound Machine, = Craftsman=AE Toy Screwdriver , Spinning Star Globe Wand=20 b.. Tristan Hartung - Nylon string acoustic guitar, fork on pot = lid, Electronic toothbrush, Voice=20 c.. Kyra Hartung - Fork on pot lid, Electronic toothbrush, Voice Song List (linked to MP3s) Alphabet Pal Bright Lights Electronic Toothbrush Ensemble=20 Forks on Lids Unprepared Guitar Credits a.. CD cover artwork by Tristan and Kyra Hartung (2 1/2 years old) = b.. CD production by Kunaki (www.kunaki.com )=20 c.. CD tray card photo by Krispen Hartung; inside sleeve photo of = Krispen by Mark Hamburg; inside sleeve photos of Tristan and Kyra by = Carissa Hartung=20 d.. Song credits and instrumentation:=20 a.. Alphabet Pal: Krispen Hartung (Alphabet Pal=AE Caterpillar, = laptop computer processing via Max/MSP and Reaktor 5)=20 b.. Bright Lights: Krispen Hartung ( vtech=AE Bright Lights toy = phone, laptop computer processing via Max/MSP and Reaktor 5)=20 c.. Electronic Toothbrush Ensemble : Tristan & Kyra Hartung = (voice, electronic toothbrushes), Krispen Hartung (the Joe Rut Sound = Machine, laptop computer processing via Max/MSP and Reaktor 5)=20 d.. Forks on Lids: Tristan & Kyra Hartung (kitchen forks and pod = lids, voice), Krispen Hartung (mini electric guitar, laptop computer = processing via Max/MSP and Reaktor 5)=20 e.. Unprepared Guitar: Tristan Hartung (nylon string acoustic = guitar), Krispen Hartung (laptop computer processing via Max/MSP and = Reaktor 5)=20 --=20 The Acoustic World Guitar of Jim Goodin - = http://www.jimgoodinmusic.com MySpace (solo) - http://www.myspace.com/jimgoodinmusic Chinapainting - http://www.chinapaintingmusic.com Chinapainting on My Space - http://www.myspace.com/chinapaintingmusic.com The Jim Goodin label and home for 7 other creative souls - = http://www.woodandwiremusic.com=20 Jim Goodin uses GHS Strings - http://www.ghsstrings.com and Seagull = Guitars - http://www.seagullguitars.com, Jim Goodin is published by Mel = Bay Publications, Inc. - http://www.melbay.com Associates and friends on the web - Daryl Shawn - http://www.swanwelder.com Adam Werner - http://www.adamwerner.com=20 John Stowell - http://www.johnstowell.com Matt Richards - http://www.mattrichardsmusic.net Michael Manring - http://www.manthing.com Will Ackerman - http://www.williamackerman.com New Land Music - http://www.newlandmusic.com ------=_NextPart_001_01A4_01C81D81.7DC8AFB0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
      Thank you! Now the big question, when = will my kids=20 be old enough (ability to behave in controlled situations) to take = to Y2K?=20 :)  Rick, one day you will have the Hartung Avant-Garde Looping = Trio...at=20 Y2K11? We will all be hooked up to computers and max/msp.

       
      Krispen continuing to echo my earlier note, excellent stuff! = have=20 had this streaming all day and really dig it, highly creative venture=20 sir...
       
      Jim

       
      On 11/1/07, Krispen=20 Hartung <khartung@cableone.net>=20 wrote:=20
      Here is my latest. I enjoyed making = this CD=20 more than any other in my discography. It reminded me how much fun = it is to=20 be a kid again. :)
       
      "Forks on Lids" is probably my = favorite, the=20 only one with me playing guitar.  This image, also in the main = CD page=20 below, has a picture of all the instruments used on the CD. http://www.krispenhartung.com/music-unfit-for-children/tr= ay-card.jpg
       
      Kris 
       
      Music = Unfit for=20 Children
      by Krispen, Tristan, & Kyra = Hartung
      Buy -=20       http://kunaki.com/Sales.asp?PID=3DPX00ZQC8SO
      Download = MP3 version for free:=20 http://www.box.net/shared/x5x8q492br =
      More info, pictures of = artwork, etc: http://www.krispenhartung.com/music-unfit-for-children/in= dex.htm



      Music Unfit for=20 Children is a Hartung family collaboration and = experimental=20 collection of improvisational compositions. Each musical composition = is=20 based on various children's toys, acoustic and foundsound = instruments, and=20 processing by the notebook computer and Cycling 74's Max/MSP.=20
      • Krispen Hartung - Mini electric = guitar,=20 Notebook computer, Cycling 74 Max/MSP, Native Instruments Reaktor = 5,=20 vtech=AE Bright Lights toy phone, Alphabet Pal=AE Caterpillar, Joe = Rut Sound=20 Machine, Craftsman=AE Toy Screwdriver , Spinning Star Globe Wand =
      • Tristan Hartung - Nylon string = acoustic=20 guitar, fork on pot lid, Electronic toothbrush, Voice=20
      • Kyra Hartung - Fork on pot lid, = Electronic=20 toothbrush, Voice
       
      Song=20 List (linked to MP3s)
       
      Alphabet Pal
      Bright Lights
      Electronic Toothbrush Ensemble =
      Forks on Lids
      Unprepared Guitar

      Credits

      • CD cover artwork by Tristan = and Kyra=20 Hartung (2 1/2 years old)=20
      • CD production by Kunaki = (www.kunaki.com = )
      • CD tray card photo by = Krispen Hartung;=20 inside sleeve photo of Krispen by Mark Hamburg; inside sleeve = photos of=20 Tristan and Kyra by Carissa Hartung
      • Song credits and = instrumentation:=20
        • Alphabet = Pal: Krispen = Hartung (Alphabet=20 Pal=AE Caterpillar, laptop computer processing via Max/MSP and = Reaktor=20 5)
        • Bright = Lights: Krispen Hartung ( vtech=AE=20 Bright Lights toy phone, laptop computer processing via Max/MSP = and=20 Reaktor 5)
        • Electronic Toothbrush=20 Ensemble : Tristan & Kyra = Hartung=20 (voice, electronic toothbrushes), Krispen Hartung (the Joe Rut = Sound=20 Machine, laptop computer processing via Max/MSP and Reaktor 5)=20
        • Forks on Lids: Tristan & Kyra Hartung (kitchen forks and pod = lids,=20 voice), Krispen Hartung (mini electric guitar, laptop computer=20 processing via Max/MSP and Reaktor 5)
        • Unprepared = Guitar: Tristan Hartung (nylon string acoustic guitar), = Krispen=20 Hartung (laptop computer processing via Max/MSP and Reaktor 5)=20



        -- =
        The=20 Acoustic World Guitar of Jim Goodin  - http://www.jimgoodinmusic.com<= BR>MySpace=20 (solo) - http://www.myspace.com/jim= goodinmusic
        Chinapainting=20 -
        http://www.chinapaintingmusic.= com
        Chinapainting=20 on My Space -
        http://www.myspace= .com/chinapaintingmusic.com
        The=20 Jim Goodin label and home for 7 other creative souls - http://www.woodandwiremusic.com<= /A>=20
        Jim Goodin uses GHS Strings - http://www.ghsstrings.com and = Seagull=20 Guitars - http://www.seagullguitars.com,= Jim=20 Goodin is published by Mel Bay Publications, Inc. - http://www.melbay.com

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        John=20 Stowell - http://www.johnstowell.com
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MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Message-Id: <20071103005820.58AEA3BECA@arsenic.violacea.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/75953 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2007 00:58:20 +0000 (UTC) Here we go ....... - Record - Overdub/Stack (Boomerang like term?) .... yes - Multiply - Consolidate loops - Rewrite (like Substitute in Mobius/EDP?) ... I think so - Loop save - Next Loop (is this your A->B?) ** not exactly .. there is A->B, and there are also serial loops ... = here is the difference: A->B is a set of two loops, only one of which can play at any time (of course) ... but either of which plays in parallel to the master or other loops. ** a serial loop is a loop that when played will turn all others off = .... and play alone (it is it's own master and doesn't allow parallel loops). *** there can also be B side masters ... which is like a serial loop = that has some others in tandem ..... like a second bank of parallel loops. =20 - Audo-Fade - Clear Loop - Add (what is this?)- maybe append whould be a better term ... add = material to the end of a loop ... increasing its length .... - Mute For the future, what about... - Reverse - yeah .. no problem - Half Speed / Double Speed / Variable speed (via MIDI expression pedal) ** yes ... planning on adding a frequency shifter and then pitch and = tempo independently also. - Scripts/Function Chaining (ability to chain functions together into a = single button press) - already have this one actually ... - Rate change - what's this ? - Random pitch change - random ... nah - Random shuffle (randomly select windows of a loop and play in a = sequence) .... I dunno, maybe - VST hosting - yes ... or at least rewire capable (since then it could connect to samplers that run VSTs) .... this one is actually very = important to me since I want to sell my korg triton rack (anyone, anyone) ... and = use reason as my sampler .... If you can build all this stuff into future releases, and if I can = re-wire=20 with Max so I can run FlyLoops as a standalone, taking the ouput of=20 max/msp), then you may have a new customer. ---- Deal ---- Kris ----- Original Message -----=20 Sure will .... I actually just sent a rather overly detailed list to Rainer too .... = so let me resurrect that ... I'll edit it down a bit for yah. Second thought ..... No I won't ..... better idea is to let it stand, since others may have useful input on the flyloops/mobius comparison. By the way ... already got that degree ... and yes, it was mad fun .... = one needs some relief from the dry engineering classes ... and philosophy is just the right stuff. So here is that email ...... :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::= :: I am certainly no mobius expert .. so perhaps you can help me through = this. Lets do this one item at a time: INTERFACE / INTERACTION : I know mobius can handle multiple loops in parallel, as can flyloops ... = and I think the approaches we use are somewhat similar ... Screenshots: Flyloops - www.flyloops.com/screenshot.jpg Mobius - http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/zonemobius It looks like you can control various aspects of multiple loops at the = same time from either program .... by this I mean hit a couple pedals and = tell the program to turn certain loops on/off on the next repeat ... stack on = a certain loop (but not the others) .... then maybe tweek a knob on a midi controller and change the volume or pan of one of your loops. INITIAL LOOP: Both flyloops and mobius (I think) get their timing from an intial = recorded loop ... the "master". All others are synced to that, or not ... which brings us to ..... SYNCING: I am not sure what polyrythmic is on the looping comparison chart .. but = I bet we have the same idea here. All loops in flyloops can be recorded = as: - full sync - meaning start/stop recording only at the masters loop = boundary .. so all loops start/stop with the master, and are a multiple of the = master loops length - partial sync - start recording whenever I tap in, but when I tap out = .. wait until the loop is some multiple of the masters length ... so all = loops are a multiple of the length ... but will start/stop only at a = particular offset to the master. - No sync - just start and stop when I tap ... so the loop can be any length, and will not sync to the master. I imagine it is the same in mobius .... ? MASTER: switch which loop is master .. I am sure that mobius does this. MIDI CONTROL: I think they are comparable with this ... both programs have a wide = variety of functions that can be mapped to midi commands. TEMPO/PITCH SHIFT: I haven't programmed this yet... so currently there is no tempo or pitch shifting (there use to be, when I used DirectX .. you'll notice in one = of the videos) ... but ASIO has no inherent support for this ... but this = is top of the list of things to get done. TAP TEMPO: Mobius does this ... Flyloops will, once pitch/tempo shift is complete. VST: Mobius blows me out of the water here ... flyloops cannot run as a VST (yet). GROUP LOOPING: Can mobius specify which audio stream to record by device .. such as, = when receiving a certain command ... I record only the left audio source = (which happens to be, say, the drums) ... I sync it according to the sync = setting ADD/ MULTIPLY/ OVERWRITE: same, I think STACK: Flyloops lets you stack on loops individually ... with whatever decay you wish ... I imagine mobius is the same. CONSOLIDATE: consolidate loops ... select three and make them one. I = don=92t know if mobius does this .... ? GROUPING: Specify that loops 1,2 and 4 are in group I .... loop 5 is in group II, = and 3 isnt in a group .... then change the volume for group I ... or the pan = on group II ..... or stutter the loops in group I .... I imagine mobius can do this ... ? EXTERNAL SYNCING: flyloops doesn't do this ... though once it is rewire compatible it = should by able to sync to internal sources. And .... you could set up an = external source to trigger the rec button ... so sync that way .... but you could = NOT track to an external drum machine as you changed tempo for example. SAVING: Flyloops can save in two way .... first, export the loops as wav files. Also .. there is a record session button which records the performance = ... it records to two files ... one which is live input (The solos being = played) the other is flyloops output .. the loops (after volume, etc. = adjustments). I don=92t know if mobius does this second one ... but it's a easy thing = to add if it doesn't. Woooosh ..... long email ... I gotta get some food. Did I miss anything? Write back with questions if yah got em'. Cheers Aaron Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.487 / Virus Database: 0.0.0/0 - Release Date: = 12:00 AM Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Free Edition.=20 Version: 7.5.487 / Virus Database: 0.0.0/0 - Release Date: = 12:00 AM =20 Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Free Edition.=20 Version: 7.5.487 / Virus Database: 0.0.0/0 - Release Date: = 12:00 AM =20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 3 01:32:10 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DC3C63BEC5; Sat, 3 Nov 2007 01:32:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: AW: New CD Release: Music Unfit for Children Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2007 02:32:38 +0100 Organization: Moinlabs Message-ID: <000901c81db9$6b590310$1001a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <01a701c81db3$c8d59090$52b4ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Thread-Index: Acgds8regxjf4BoXTv2mJZDYW0p2YQABWCIg X-RZG-AUTH: lUESeo99iNzPL8kuBgLYdKEqUywq9cxqeRA+BtFcSCD5deQ7OIWABpUdK2g= X-RZG-CLASS-ID: mo07 Resent-Message-ID: <7vHmTC.A.jmF.a-8KHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/75954 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2007 01:32:10 +0000 (UTC) Krispen said, planning future appearances: > Rick, one day you will have the Hartung Avant-Garde Looping Trio...at Y2K11? We will all be hooked up to computers and max/msp. How do you know that? It might very well be possible that Tristan uses a time lag accumulator, while Kyra writes audio processing software in assembly language running on a cell phone... Rainer From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 3 01:42:12 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 039723BED2; Sat, 3 Nov 2007 01:42:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Qua Veda" To: References: <015b01c81daf$c7240cd0$52b4ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <20071103005820.58AEA3BECA@arsenic.violacea.com> In-Reply-To: <20071103005820.58AEA3BECA@arsenic.violacea.com> Subject: RE: FlyLoops and electronic instruments Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2007 18:42:07 -0700 Message-ID: <004d01c81dba$c03ced00$40b6c700$@com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: Acgdr8wNIDsv5Ew0Q4qn4319I1ElhAAAso8gAAH8XrA= Content-Language: en-us X-RBL-Warning: REVDNS: This E-mail was sent from a MUA/MTA 206.212.233.27 with no reverse DNS entry. X-Declude-Sender: qua@oregon.com [206.212.233.27] X-Declude-Spoolname: Dd445026f00000b21.smd X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude JunkMail (www.declude.com) for spam. Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/75955 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2007 01:42:11 +0000 (UTC) Hi Aaron, In case this isn't already covered by Kris's requirements... What about Feedback adjustment for each track, and maybe Volume for each track, so that these parameters could be controlled via midi. -Qua From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 3 01:44:53 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 010553BED2; Sat, 3 Nov 2007 01:44:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Qua Veda" To: References: <380-220071152225242698@M2W041.mail2web.com> <014a01c81dad$f87a6e20$52b4ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> In-Reply-To: <014a01c81dad$f87a6e20$52b4ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Subject: RE: new processor for Mac laptops, same price Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2007 18:44:46 -0700 Message-ID: <004e01c81dbb$221a06c0$664e1440$@com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: Acgdr2Mm4eFqgvLhTICOHPnfAVdu6gAC2NYg Content-Language: en-us X-RBL-Warning: REVDNS: This E-mail was sent from a MUA/MTA 206.212.233.27 with no reverse DNS entry. X-Declude-Sender: qua@oregon.com [206.212.233.27] X-Declude-Spoolname: Dd4e9023100000be3.smd X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude JunkMail (www.declude.com) for spam. Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/75956 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2007 01:44:52 +0000 (UTC) Also, early next year (I've been told), solid-state hard drives will be available in high-end laptops like Alienware. This should have very high performance and weigh less, maybe use less power. And quad-core processors may also be available for laptops in '08. Start saving $ now... ;-) -Qua -----Original Message----- From: Krispen Hartung [mailto:khartung@cableone.net] Sent: Friday, November 02, 2007 5:11 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: new processor for Mac laptops, same price If you can wait until the January macbook pro releases, you can get the third generation of the duo core...even faster than these. Kris ----- Original Message ----- FYI: MacBook (and Macbook pro) laptops released this week. more power same price. using Intel's new "Santa Rosa" chipset. Besides a better graphics card (the Intel GMA X3100 processor) and a faster front-side bus, the Santa-Rosa-equipped laptops will also support the latest, 802.11n Wi-Fi specification. The base model will get a slightly faster 2-Ghz IntelR CoreT2 Duo processor T7300, and mid- and upper-range models will get a 2.2-GHz chip, according to PC Magazine . Benchmarks show ~ 10% increase in performance. -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://link.mail2web.com/mail2web From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 3 02:21:37 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 85D9D3BECF; Sat, 3 Nov 2007 02:21:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <20071102222134.nx3hgcpjfosk8wgw@www.wightman.ca> Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2007 22:21:34 -0400 From: phaslem@wightman.ca To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Graphtech installation was AXON AX 100 References: <20071101142958.js0fbex1ds0ccgcc@www.wightman.ca> <641CEFFC7E5B6C42AB59539653FD08238E2E8A@wcu-ex-emp2.PASSHE.LCL> In-Reply-To: <641CEFFC7E5B6C42AB59539653FD08238E2E8A@wcu-ex-emp2.PASSHE.LCL> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.3) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/75957 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2007 02:21:37 +0000 (UTC) I'm away performing right now but I can address those thoughts when I =20 get home on Sunday. Regards, Paul Quoting "Dean, Hal" : > Paul, I've seen discussions on the midiguitar forum to the effect that > the Graphtech connection are (or maybe WERE) tenuous, and that hotgluing > them was in order so that they didn't come loose while you're playing in > a less than genteel manner. Could you comment on that? > > Also, I'm interested in how you have signal leaving the guitar. The > wiring can be done so that mag pickups signal, piezo signal, and the > output from the hexpander module all ride on the 13-pin cable... but > that seems likely to be a tonesucker to me, and is an issue that Richard > McClish alerted me to via a discussion with John Buscarino, a luthier > who made Richard's guitar. I'm inclined to keep the 13-pin cable > restricted to the hexpander output and leave the pickups signals > traveling on either a Y-cable, or separately on 1/4" cables. Your > thoughts on this would be most welcome. > > Hal Dean > > -----Original Message----- > From: phaslem@wightman.ca [mailto:phaslem@wightman.ca] > Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2007 2:30 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Graphtech installation was AXON AX 100 > > I looked at both systems, the RMC system is more geared to an acoustic > type of installation, where as the Graphtech is more like the familiar > saddles that you use on any electric guitar. The RMC is a much more > complicated installation and I would only recommend a compentent > technician do that installation. > > The Graphtech system is very modular with a minimal amount of soldering. > You do have to comfortable enough with wood working to route out spaces > in the back of the guitar and drill holes for the wires from the saddles > and controls, but all that is pretty basic stuff and reachable by anyone > comfortable with cutting holes in their instrument. The system is very > like putting together a computer as every control and even the saddles > just plug directly into the circut board. I did mine on one Sunday > afternoon (that was the Parker p44 installation). If you're interested I > could take some pictures of the insides of my guitars that I've > installed the system in so that you can see what it looks like. > > best of luck with it, > > Paul haslem > www.dulcify.ca > > >> >> Hey Paul, >> Just curious,who installed it for you? i tried finding somebody in >> california who would install the Graphtech or RMC system on my >> fernandes sustainer but they all seemed to shy away from doing it.Ive >> also havent found anybody here in germany yet who would do it if >> anybody has a link id aprreciate it! >> cheers >> Luis >> > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 3 02:39:05 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D37723BEB9; Sat, 3 Nov 2007 02:39:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "Aaron Leese" To: Subject: RE: FlyLoops and electronic instruments Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2007 19:38:48 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1250" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Thread-Index: Acgdr8wNIDsv5Ew0Q4qn4319I1ElhAAAso8gAAH8XrAAAgSdIA== In-Reply-To: <004d01c81dba$c03ced00$40b6c700$@com> Message-Id: <20071103023904.C1F453BEB8@arsenic.violacea.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/75958 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2007 02:39:05 +0000 (UTC) Already does that ..... -----Original Message----- From: Qua Veda [mailto:qua@oregon.com] Sent: Friday, November 02, 2007 6:42 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: FlyLoops and electronic instruments Hi Aaron, In case this isn't already covered by Kris's requirements... What about Feedback adjustment for each track, and maybe Volume for each track, so that these parameters could be controlled via midi. -Qua Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.487 / Virus Database: 0.0.0/0 - Release Date: 12:00 AM Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.487 / Virus Database: 0.0.0/0 - Release Date: 12:00 AM From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 3 02:42:33 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8AFB43BECF; Sat, 3 Nov 2007 02:42:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "Aaron Leese" To: Subject: RE: FlyLoops and electronic instruments Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2007 19:42:16 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1250" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Thread-Index: AcgdsxDnqeG+BGI2QpeRLbOXJvDlogAD6I8g In-Reply-To: <016a01c81db3$0c0e14a0$52b4ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Message-Id: <20071103024230.DA5E93BEB8@arsenic.violacea.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/75959 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2007 02:42:33 +0000 (UTC) Yeah. Personally, I like to make one loop that is twice as long as another, then stack on both of them at the same time with a decay rate .... this way if you play a two measure lick it gets recorded to the 2 measure loop ... but each segment of it gets recorded and overlapped over itself on the 1 measure loop .... and they both decay. Of course, if you then turn stack off on the longer of the two ... you get the lick ... and the double repetition fades off the top of it ... if that makes any sense. -----Original Message----- From: Krispen Hartung [mailto:khartung@cableone.net] Sent: Friday, November 02, 2007 5:47 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: FlyLoops and electronic instruments I forgot to ask. Can you select more than one loop track, or all, and record on all of them simultaneously? Kris > Got it. Thanks! This is a good start. So, if I were to create a simple > list of functionality, which is all I was really after: > > Record > Overdub/Stack (Boomerang like term?) > Multiply > Consolidate loops > Rewrite (like Substitute in Mobius/EDP?) > Loop save > Next Loop (is this your A->B?) > Audo-Fade > Clear Loop > Add (what is this?) > Mute > > For the future, what about... > > Reverse > Half Speed (pitch) > Double Speed (pitch) > Variable speed (via MIDI expression pedal) > Scripts/Function Chaining (ability to chain functions together into a > single button press) > Rate change > Random pitch change > Random shuffle (randomly select windows of a loop and play in a sequence) > VST hosting > > If you can build all this stuff into future releases, and if I can re-wire > with Max so I can run FlyLoops as a standalone, taking the ouput of > max/msp), then you may have a new customer. > > Kris Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.487 / Virus Database: 0.0.0/0 - Release Date: 12:00 AM Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.487 / Virus Database: 0.0.0/0 - Release Date: 12:00 AM From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 3 02:55:35 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C96043BEB8; Sat, 3 Nov 2007 02:55:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <01b801c81dc5$00bcb8b0$52b4ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <20071103005820.58AEA3BECA@arsenic.violacea.com> Subject: Re: FlyLoops and electronic instruments Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2007 20:55:33 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="windows-1250"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/75960 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2007 02:55:35 +0000 (UTC) - Next Loop (is this your A->B?) ** not exactly .. there is A->B, and there are also serial loops ... here is the difference: A->B is a set of two loops, only one of which can play at any time (of course) ... but either of which plays in parallel to the master or other loops. ** a serial loop is a loop that when played will turn all others off .... and play alone (it is it's own master and doesn't allow parallel loops). *** there can also be B side masters ... which is like a serial loop that has some others in tandem ..... like a second bank of parallel loops. I'm not sure I understand. Can you describe a practical application of your A->B function? - Add (what is this?)- maybe append whould be a better term ... add material to the end of a loop ... increasing its length .... Cool, so not like Multiply which extends the original length of the loop, but while overdubbing new material over the top. For the future, what about... - Reverse - yeah .. no problem - Half Speed / Double Speed / Variable speed (via MIDI expression pedal) ** yes ... planning on adding a frequency shifter and then pitch and tempo independently also. Wonderful! - Scripts/Function Chaining (ability to chain functions together into a single button press) - already have this one actually ... Nice. - Rate change - what's this ? I don't use it, but I think you change pitch without changing speed? Someone else can describe. Mobius has it, I believe. - Random pitch change - random ... nah Yeah, that is getting experimental. Limited user need here. - Random shuffle (randomly select windows of a loop and play in a sequence) .... I dunno, maybe Ditto my above comment. - VST hosting - yes ... or at least rewire capable (since then it could connect to samplers that run VSTs) .... this one is actually very important to me since I want to sell my korg triton rack (anyone, anyone) ... and use reason as my sampler .... That's cool. The only reason why I ask, is that some loopers run reverb after their looper, as a finishing effect, and so that reverb trails are not cut off. So, if I used max/msp for all my effects, and then ran into FlyLoops, I would need a way to add Reverb in FlyLoops. Thanks for responding to all my questions. :) Kris From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 3 02:56:30 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F296A3BEB8; Sat, 3 Nov 2007 02:56:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <01bf01c81dc5$2150b7c0$52b4ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <000901c81db9$6b590310$1001a8c0@succubus> Subject: Re: New CD Release: Music Unfit for Children Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2007 20:56:27 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/75961 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2007 02:56:29 +0000 (UTC) ----- Original Message ----- > Krispen said, planning future appearances: > >> Rick, one day you will have the Hartung Avant-Garde Looping Trio...at > Y2K11? We will all be hooked up to computers and max/msp. > > How do you know that? It might very well be possible that Tristan uses a > time lag accumulator, while Kyra writes audio processing software in > assembly language running on a cell phone... > > Rainer One can only wish. :) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 3 05:31:28 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3D2F23BECF; Sat, 3 Nov 2007 05:31:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "Aaron Leese" To: Subject: RE: FlyLoops and electronic instruments Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2007 22:31:11 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1250" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Thread-Index: AcgdxQWdPu9dUp+LQWaCBYlDLBdMowAEgGsg In-Reply-To: <01b801c81dc5$00bcb8b0$52b4ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Message-Id: <20071103053126.650323BEB8@arsenic.violacea.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/75962 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2007 05:31:28 +0000 (UTC) Sounds like we understand each other pretty well .... here is a = breakdown of A->B vs. Serial loops .... Suppose you have a bank of loops ........... say we record three .... 1 2 3 4 5 =09 A A A - - So that=92s three loops ... in slots 1,2,3 ... Now, lets say that 1 and 3 are quick little drum rhythms ... But 2 is a verse lick ..... but the song has a chorus riff too ..... So I hit the A-B button on loop 2 ..... the drums keep playing and I record the chorus riff ..... =09 1 2 3 4 5=09 A B A - - loops 1 and 3 are still playing with but I have turned 2A off and = replaced it with a newly record 2B (chorus lick). Hit A-B again and I go back to the verse riff .... drums remain the same = 1 2 3 4 5 =09 A A A - - Aha .... but there is a problem!! See this song is kinda weird and has = a bridge part that doesn't conform to the same rhythm ... it suddenly = changes to 3/4 ...... so I need to drop the rhythm tracks and record a new part = with it's own timing. Now I could do this by turning everything off ... and hitting record on = an unsynced loop at the same time .... but I want to be able to smoothly transition to from this bridge loop ..... This is where serial record is handy. I turn on serial recording, and = hit the record button on loop 5 .... the program waits until the next master repeat boundary and then turns all the loops off and begins recording on track 5. Once I've finished recording the serial loop I have .... 1 2 3 4 5 =09 -a -a -a - S The three little -a's are to indicate that there are loops there but = they are not playing ...... When I want to go back to the bank of parallel loops I just tap any of = them, and the program transitions from playing the serial loop back to playing = the three parallel loops .... and turns the serial off ..... Make sense ? Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Free Edition.=20 Version: 7.5.487 / Virus Database: 0.0.0/0 - Release Date: = 12:00 AM =20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 3 12:25:19 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7C6E03BEC5; Sat, 3 Nov 2007 12:25:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 624175357-mk-filter-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com-B2C-$THROTTLED-DYNAMIC-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 79.74.238.25 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Aq4HAPMFLEdPSu4Z/2dsb2JhbACCKo4SlRU Message-ID: <472C68DB.9040508@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Sat, 03 Nov 2007 12:26:03 +0000 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: square waves (as VST) References: <002201c81bfa$f89f69f0$e9de3dd0$@com> <4729FCB0.5070900@tiscali.co.uk> <4F84BF45-BBD7-4810-BD43-B8DF6B03F7F1@sonic.net> <472A3C81.1010004@tiscali.co.uk> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/75963 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2007 12:25:19 +0000 (UTC) Mark Landman wrote: > Hi Andy- > > I'd be interested, like probably many others, the devil of course is > always in the details, how good does it sound, what features does it > offer, etc. > > A VST like my old Prime Time II with a little more memory would be > useful enough to justify yet another delay plug-in, I think. > > Keep us advised! > > Mark > On Nov 1, 2007, at 1:52 PM, andy butler wrote: > >> hi Mark, >> ;-) >> hint, >> the reason I'm asking the question is that I already worked out how >> to get a vst delay to act as if it had a modulated oscillator. >> >> >> >> ...would you actually want to purchase a vst plug with those >> capabilities? >> > > Hi Mark (and others) Please feel free to imagine any features you'd like. I'll be listening ( and no doubt other developers who are on the this list) So far I just have an experimental plug with the following controls 1) Delay Input Volume 2) Delay Time ( customiseable) 3) Feedback (0-100%) 4) Modulation Speed 5) Modulation Depth 6) Delay Volume Out 7) Dry Volume Out Delay time is very easy to re-program to any max value, and then is continuously variable by a factor of ten. At the moment though, I didn't put in a switch for delay range. At the moment it has a max delay of 1s and a min of 0.1s, but could be made to any delay that the pc could cope with. Modulation is at the moment by sine wave. The idea of the experiment was to make a plug which would allow you to capture a short loop (using Input and then vary the playback speed over a large range, just like you could with some of those old digi-delay stomp boxes( except that the range is greater). Sound quality pretty much the same coming out as going in, with the exception that pitching a sound upwards by a lot may produce a few digital artefacts. (this is something that I'll work on). I've compared the PSP42 delay, but that has a sound which is deliberately lo-fi with artefacts, even with no shifting. I hadn't imagined that there would be much demand for "another delay plug" so I considered this project just to be something of a curiosity. It has a 'Mathons' logo on the (provisional)graphic, so I'd need to discuss with Matthias Grob before and release of the plug. (it's all my own work though) ..oh, and right now it's pc only, but shouldn't be a problem to "mac" it. andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 3 12:57:51 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 158A33BECF; Sat, 3 Nov 2007 12:57:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <472C7021.9090301@post.cybercity.dk> Date: Sat, 03 Nov 2007 13:57:05 +0100 From: van Sinn Reply-To: vansinn@post.cybercity.dk Organization: van Sinn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Need time sync explained References: <472B6C80.8030207@post.cybercity.dk> <00D88560-BFB0-419D-8B67-3960CDA8865D@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <00D88560-BFB0-419D-8B67-3960CDA8865D@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <6DPLtD.A.vi.OBHLHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/75964 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2007 12:57:50 +0000 (UTC) Per Boysen wrote: > On Nov 2, 2007, at 19:29, van Sinn wrote: > >> I may go for a HW looper, but drift more'n'more towards a SW solution >> on a labmactop, probably as a pluging, to integrate with Logic's >> MainStage. >> >> So, how to sync? sensors on the drum kit into.. something generating >> MIDI sync info? > > > My advice is to sync manually by either tempo tapping a pedal or using > a pedal button that restarts all loops instantly. I give this advice > because a "restart/trigger all loops" kick button works better for me > compared to other methods I have used with Electrixpro Repeater, Gibson > Echoplex, Ableton Live and Mobius. That I don't understand, of cause, based on lack on experience. For 'fixed' synchopatics music, it makes sense; for progressive styles with changing patterns, I'd think linking to drums would be better. Then again, if percussion isn't at a steady rate, I do see poblems.. I'm sure you have your reasons, though.. > I too like MainStage a lot, but I still use Logic for looping virtual I attended a Logic Studio demo/workshop a few weeks ago, and Erik Metall (great name for a musician, sweedish, know him?) referred to looping in Logic as less usable, so I'm a Bit surprised on your take here.. > MIDI instruments. I make this choice because I like using some > functions I have built in the Environment, like different arpeggio > lines and a tuned/intelligent chord creator (the Chord Memorizer > object, for those who know Logic). However, If I should have been > playing guitar only, I would go with MainStage right away. My plan (for later implementation) is having a MIDI/USB organ-style floor keyboard for playing stacked-up key/synth/organ's in MainStage while doing my guitar stuff. Planning to run this from a Mac lappie makes for good reasons considering a SW-based looper. If my planned setup moves on, I imagine needing to switch between looping the guitar parts only, and occationally also sampling both guitar and the MainStage stack. For the latter reason I'd expect a plugin looper a better choise. I have no idea as yet about how sharing I/O lines on a 4 in, 4 out audio IFC between Logic and a either a standalone og plugin looper app will work; maybe I'm just seeing imaginary ghosts ;) -- rgds, van Sinn From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 3 13:24:04 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4EFB13BED6; Sat, 3 Nov 2007 13:24:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 1144 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Sat, 03 Nov 2007 13:24:03 UTC DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; bh=fjRVPvt6didxTEpwODFora3SEW4aqLDSOrKE9FYAN1c=; b=l2kuJPQMzW82fXbfYDSN6B+NbswOdcjpf+LexqYaODCzrnlpoAkCbMZTS7oAgYVep0blshGU+nk4Ah0Aq9FAXqN+H1LwkK5t8ioSgED+woRwaPNLBZWkVzWUwbjPjOElX3bNOE7EgdDRuXindYIxSKRHc4Tb2whvshByRtVBqU4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=qY2Ak9cyXY0pFe5dm4WtvwI8nTzSzhyxUf7n+XPeAfU5bqMtUyNyU52+yXVF7WWgmP9wF2mad6EkuJzXNZ0mH7hCrUF593sItx547s0Z95G2iNoy5ah4g4GGkeK125pzZmu+0QfiQ1tzkH/TRs8Q/XWuA+gp5sPtI3SyjBSMe04= Message-ID: Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2007 08:58:47 -0400 From: "Dennis Moser" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Robert Fripp and LoCG Sighting MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_2926_20340256.1194094727544" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/75965 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2007 13:24:04 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_2926_20340256.1194094727544 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Just a quick note: Robert Fripp and the League of Crafty Guitarists performed in Fall Rover, Massachusetts, last night. I was expecting an all LoCG performance but Mr. Fripp graced us with some of the beautiful soundscape materials as well. My wife and I literally sat at the edge of the stage (about 8 inches away; when the group did their final encore and the entire audience was on its' feet, Fripp leaned over and whispered that she and I might want to be sitting down for it ... lol), so I have fairly complete notes on the hardware and will post later today . No photos or recordings (they were VERY adamant about cameras and cell phones). Absod*mnlutely amazing ... Dennis ------=_Part_2926_20340256.1194094727544 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Just a quick note: Robert Fripp and the League of Crafty Guitarists performed in Fall Rover, Massachusetts, last night. I was expecting an all LoCG performance but Mr. Fripp graced us with some of the beautiful soundscape materials as well.

        My wife and I literally sat at the edge of the stage (about 8 inches away; when the group did their final encore and the entire audience was on its' feet, Fripp leaned over and whispered that she and I might want to be sitting down for it ... lol), so I have fairly complete notes on the hardware and will post later today . No photos or recordings (they were VERY adamant about cameras and cell phones).

        Absod*mnlutely amazing ...

        Dennis
        ------=_Part_2926_20340256.1194094727544-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 3 13:47:10 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5028E3BEE4; Sat, 3 Nov 2007 13:47:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Michael Peters" To: "Loopers Delight" Subject: EFC7 footswitches in Europe Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2007 14:47:06 +0100 Message-ID: <004701c81e20$0603acb0$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Thread-Index: AcgeIAWRKjhjAXp4Rz6MmdkQzAwspA== Resent-Message-ID: <_7fE-C.A.UbC.dvHLHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/75966 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2007 13:47:10 +0000 (UTC) my Echoplex foot controller switches need to be replaced. Is there anyone who sells these switches in Europe (Germany)? -Michael From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 3 14:18:23 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3CBC03BEDA; Sat, 3 Nov 2007 14:18:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer:sender; bh=CwNKH9pi4RkfTeDiqYJ0Rc17ljdg0on1/P4rBuCbydY=; b=uQjDaEr/8FZ9RzUkXVjS7SyFiVDwuYf2cQT05LsLjNmxaXtJ3+7QZiuMqVOu5yhkBpRWAHxlz7RCpKfQfedouRZ/RkOIqRDHelXwczXm1W/NBMqeDVY7EREDnakhXH+2K9T7FbHH4TdUgsFUXgTrr5w/b+FjDGJVaGezU6a2ZFE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:mime-version:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer:sender; b=ak8Q+1iYnWBC9jCaB1dtP4R/UcMK5tE8FjhOOIY8JnI/cIkIEPz3VqbnlztwUcmmnQmSsSaRhrCj9X25UFrcGBvmrTUJzllH6wCSf0JgZsIDVwOO6z9EqrIuI/7ipSV11TxARUCXDA03dlSnNKbLVzdGUfyg3LJYYfQh/Djsv1E= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <9BF782FC-EA33-41D2-AA06-598DB95E5CFF@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Fwd: Need time sync explained Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2007 15:18:16 +0100 To: Loopers X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Sender: Per Boysen Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/75967 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2007 14:18:23 +0000 (UTC) On 3 nov 2007, at 13.57, van Sinn wrote: > That I don't understand, of cause, based on lack on experience. > For 'fixed' synchopatics music, it makes sense; for progressive > styles with changing patterns, I'd think linking to drums would be > better. > Then again, if percussion isn't at a steady rate, I do see poblems.. > I'm sure you have your reasons, though.. I prefer manual syncing because I find it more musical. That is, you can always instantly follow anyone that happens to play "the wrong" arrangement of the song. Even if the tempo changes you can still make your loops sound good by re-triggering them halfway through or maybe only using the first few beats of the loops. >> I too like MainStage a lot, but I still use Logic for looping virtual > > I attended a Logic Studio demo/workshop a few weeks ago, and Erik > Metall (great name for a musician, sweedish, know him?) referred to > looping in Logic as less usable, so I'm a Bit surprised on your > take here.. I didn't mean that I run the looping in Logic (even though I think a couple of Tape Delay plug-ins controlled from a MIDI foot board is a nice looper inside Logic, although only permitting a half bar loop length). I only use Logic as "the sound module" (for guitar, wind instruments and software MIDI driven instruments played by an EWI) and as an arpeggiator and key following chord creator for MIDI instruments. All my looping I do on a second laptop, connected by ADAT and MIDI, that runs the software looper Mobius. My reason for this dual laptop setup is that I have not been able to find a software looper for OS X that can compete with Mobius, that unfortunately runs only under Windows. The looping laptop, with Mobius, is the sync master and sends MIDI clock into Logic 7 on the Mac. I stick with Logic 7 because Logic 8 has dropped MIDI Clock slaving. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 3 14:19:43 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0D69D3BEE8; Sat, 3 Nov 2007 14:19:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; bh=RcRNn3c/3CRzQ+ORpvAzl9wfcdRlE1fVjLk2zZg7Sh4=; b=SMXYqUfybWPoRVFGfkEkvnO09upLhtAU26pueyKT9V/Uq4tI46v3WQDXow/VkgpDlauhdg5Z1M6bl6jBDBKusDENYvI4I9E3roghAmoJBFtcv/l59xue7q3HR/XxFW0NZjC1sQA2NcAdQdyBf3CUs1mz+zz8iWx1uMBBiyO+FPc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:mime-version:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=BfET9CrCm7KEC5aPnbgP61xOHat1dZFg+XwyHIx3niDWD0gcpLpZRV2UXEtyDFw+iEIlrUFUein3g5uRcSWKI6MUx1WUJiVQaH68zxGFbUmTQ67nw+3ov8QWfRssbznqSZGHLiCcVx1wtVNSWGS2NFd1eWkZCvwiVW9gmC+9zzs= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Fwd: FlyLoops and electronic instruments Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2007 15:19:37 +0100 To: Loopers X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/75968 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2007 14:19:43 +0000 (UTC) On 2 nov 2007, at 22.16, Aaron Leese wrote: > > Sure will .... > > I actually just sent a rather overly detailed list to Rainer > too .... so > let me resurrect that ... I'll edit it down a bit for yah. Thank you for posting all that information. I have been reading the FlyLoops web site without finding out that much, so it's really appreciated! One thing I still haven't figured out is which OS does FlyLoops run under? I'm particularly looking for a good OS X looper, as I guess many other musicians are. > > I am certainly no mobius expert There's a good manual at the Mobius web site that explains it well. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 3 14:20:45 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8EC933BEF0; Sat, 3 Nov 2007 14:20:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; bh=CwNKH9pi4RkfTeDiqYJ0Rc17ljdg0on1/P4rBuCbydY=; b=a15XJOgRE/pge9IOJu8QixMx6zNcqJ13cOorAtZnFIzvVlA+6c68L7/S6sTdH0iLm0UVoAzy+wlU9DwB0tU+zpvw5x4bkDLTw97a0frcjXrMQimib7boe817jC9Mhqqlrhk67mRfztGT/A3AmJjLmospdnWT6HYwXqySz2hnkoI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:mime-version:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=ra3gS1YGvD9TCmV1zQTCuzP59i8dcAkPxgCmdZKiLOqMHmD3Dj13XdxEydlygfvv0x3Nawey3TK/IUiNnlYKsFijIwFoj2RSbXWngYTaUgrJ1KANTossROKHlR6brf7TbfT+zpoPt/3wLzkgmeCVKE6LeEPvCJcBDQzXpmU1qPg= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) References: <9BF782FC-EA33-41D2-AA06-598DB95E5CFF@boysen.se> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <3147008D-2BD9-49D4-9222-752824475FF1@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Fwd: Need time sync explained Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2007 15:20:41 +0100 To: Loopers X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/75969 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2007 14:20:45 +0000 (UTC) On 3 nov 2007, at 13.57, van Sinn wrote: > That I don't understand, of cause, based on lack on experience. > For 'fixed' synchopatics music, it makes sense; for progressive > styles with changing patterns, I'd think linking to drums would be > better. > Then again, if percussion isn't at a steady rate, I do see poblems.. > I'm sure you have your reasons, though.. I prefer manual syncing because I find it more musical. That is, you can always instantly follow anyone that happens to play "the wrong" arrangement of the song. Even if the tempo changes you can still make your loops sound good by re-triggering them halfway through or maybe only using the first few beats of the loops. >> I too like MainStage a lot, but I still use Logic for looping virtual > > I attended a Logic Studio demo/workshop a few weeks ago, and Erik > Metall (great name for a musician, sweedish, know him?) referred to > looping in Logic as less usable, so I'm a Bit surprised on your > take here.. I didn't mean that I run the looping in Logic (even though I think a couple of Tape Delay plug-ins controlled from a MIDI foot board is a nice looper inside Logic, although only permitting a half bar loop length). I only use Logic as "the sound module" (for guitar, wind instruments and software MIDI driven instruments played by an EWI) and as an arpeggiator and key following chord creator for MIDI instruments. All my looping I do on a second laptop, connected by ADAT and MIDI, that runs the software looper Mobius. My reason for this dual laptop setup is that I have not been able to find a software looper for OS X that can compete with Mobius, that unfortunately runs only under Windows. The looping laptop, with Mobius, is the sync master and sends MIDI clock into Logic 7 on the Mac. I stick with Logic 7 because Logic 8 has dropped MIDI Clock slaving. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 3 14:21:12 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0D6F53BEF6; Sat, 3 Nov 2007 14:21:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 1857 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Sat, 03 Nov 2007 14:21:11 UTC Message-ID: <472C7841.7030403@biink.com> Date: Sat, 03 Nov 2007 09:31:45 -0400 From: David Beardsley Reply-To: db@biink.com Organization: Biink & SSI User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (Windows/20070728) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Robert Fripp and LoCG Sighting References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <6zCP6C.A.xvD.XPILHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/75970 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2007 14:21:12 +0000 (UTC) Dennis Moser wrote: > Absod*mnlutely amazing ... I wish I could say that about the music. missing Frippertronics...dB -- * David Beardsley * microtonal guitar * http://biink.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 3 14:32:28 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id ABE783BEF4; Sat, 3 Nov 2007 14:32:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=bx86sg4AN/Plf4SEtrY5vlz5C5SoWP3I03oZETBweZA=; b=uXq1FgMcGajBOxpw5rfZqlNylUz7+4Hl9mBpFFKFpU8K7XFJ9G0UO0pvhS5g/Jh1Lp8mJdCX/qM+XUflEhnkEQFWxQ+uzYG55r8vNRRJiaIGSnGt1CbfjmlKC7Q6lZQ8kn4RRQttfokE2QuDFqVP4BYuU1Ju2hM/6g8oQU/9Cc4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=muChnp45i0c8oiMjoKDlGIzuBS3mKILNjPmlXD3kIggvhCNN+tAzWdxjdiMkEfRvoehm4fYuNimsT387UVW7Xl+BqRJ9cpEbHAx7QOH1gaZvfALhK0PMUeeujAPlntji+6yx1icPZq1+vo44pDCRiXZj7mRXuTVNUSvSLBzYx2Y= Message-ID: Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2007 15:32:26 +0100 From: "Raul Bonell" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: New CD Release: Music Unfit for Children In-Reply-To: <01bf01c81dc5$2150b7c0$52b4ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_18241_7554836.1194100346331" References: <000901c81db9$6b590310$1001a8c0@succubus> <01bf01c81dc5$2150b7c0$52b4ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/75971 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2007 14:32:28 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_18241_7554836.1194100346331 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Nice stuff and as weird as ever... When are you creating their LD account? ,-) Thx for the free music, Raul. 2007/11/3, Krispen Hartung : > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > Krispen said, planning future appearances: > > > >> Rick, one day you will have the Hartung Avant-Garde Looping Trio...at > > Y2K11? We will all be hooked up to computers and max/msp. > > > > How do you know that? It might very well be possible that Tristan uses a > > time lag accumulator, while Kyra writes audio processing software in > > assembly language running on a cell phone... > > > > Rainer > > One can only wish. :) > > -- The Playing Orchestra: http://www.telefonica.net/web2/tpo Chain Tape Collective: http://www.ct-collective.com TPO at myspace: http://www.myspace.com/theplayingorchestra ------=_Part_18241_7554836.1194100346331 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Nice stuff and as weird as ever...
        When are you creating their LD account?

        ,-)

        Thx for the free music,
        Raul.


        2007/11/3, Krispen Hartung < khartung@cableone.net>:

        ----- Original Message -----

        > Krispen said, planning future appearances:
        >
        >> Rick, one day you will have the Hartung Avant-Garde Looping Trio...at
        > Y2K11? We will all be hooked up to computers and max/msp.
        >
        > How do you know that? It might very well be possible that Tristan uses a
        > time lag accumulator, while Kyra writes audio processing software in
        > assembly language running on a cell phone...
        >
        > Rainer

        One can only wish. :)




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        TPO at myspace: http://www.myspace.com/theplayingorchestra ------=_Part_18241_7554836.1194100346331-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 3 14:36:52 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B4BCB3BF01; Sat, 3 Nov 2007 14:36:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <472C8757.7050901@post.cybercity.dk> Date: Sat, 03 Nov 2007 15:36:07 +0100 From: van Sinn Reply-To: vansinn@post.cybercity.dk Organization: van Sinn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Fwd: Need time sync explained References: <9BF782FC-EA33-41D2-AA06-598DB95E5CFF@boysen.se> In-Reply-To: <9BF782FC-EA33-41D2-AA06-598DB95E5CFF@boysen.se> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/75972 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2007 14:36:52 +0000 (UTC) Per Boysen wrote: > On 3 nov 2007, at 13.57, van Sinn wrote: > >> That I don't understand, of cause, based on lack on experience. >> For 'fixed' synchopatics music, it makes sense; for progressive >> styles with changing patterns, I'd think linking to drums would be >> better. >> Then again, if percussion isn't at a steady rate, I do see poblems.. >> I'm sure you have your reasons, though.. > > > I prefer manual syncing because I find it more musical. That is, you > can always instantly follow anyone that happens to play "the wrong" > arrangement of the song. Even if the tempo changes you can still make > your loops sound good by re-triggering them halfway through or maybe > only using the first few beats of the loops. Got it, thanks. >>> I too like MainStage a lot, but I still use Logic for looping virtual >> >> >> I attended a Logic Studio demo/workshop a few weeks ago, and Erik >> Metall (great name for a musician, sweedish, know him?) referred to >> looping in Logic as less usable, so I'm a Bit surprised on your take >> here.. > > > > I didn't mean that I run the looping in Logic (even though I think a > couple of Tape Delay plug-ins controlled from a MIDI foot board is a > nice looper inside Logic, although only permitting a half bar loop > length). I only use Logic as "the sound module" (for guitar, wind > instruments and software MIDI driven instruments played by an EWI) and > as an arpeggiator and key following chord creator for MIDI instruments. > All my looping I do on a second laptop, connected by ADAT and MIDI, > that runs the software looper Mobius. My reason for this dual laptop > setup is that I have not been able to find a software looper for OS X > that can compete with Mobius, that unfortunately runs only under > Windows. The looping laptop, with Mobius, is the sync master and sends > MIDI clock into Logic 7 on the Mac. I stick with Logic 7 because Logic > 8 has dropped MIDI Clock slaving. Understood. Tried running Mobius on XP within Parallels on a McIntel? I'm not sure how well HW abstraction is handled by Parallels, though I did see a demo running HW test tools, incl. some graphics test suite.. I'd expect drivers colliding with priority and latency issues, plus how routing sound between the two OS's si to be done, I don't know.. -- rgds, van Sinn From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 3 14:38:16 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3D4753BF07; Sat, 3 Nov 2007 14:38:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <472C87AC.2080809@post.cybercity.dk> Date: Sat, 03 Nov 2007 15:37:32 +0100 From: van Sinn Reply-To: vansinn@post.cybercity.dk Organization: van Sinn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Need time sync explained References: <472B6C80.8030207@post.cybercity.dk> <00D88560-BFB0-419D-8B67-3960CDA8865D@gmail.com> <472C7021.9090301@post.cybercity.dk> In-Reply-To: <472C7021.9090301@post.cybercity.dk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/75973 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2007 14:38:16 +0000 (UTC) van Sinn wrote: > My plan (for later implementation) is having a MIDI/USB organ-style > floor keyboard for playing stacked-up key/synth/organ's in MainStage > while doing my guitar stuff. Planning to run this from a Mac lappie > makes for good reasons considering a SW-based looper. > If my planned setup moves on, I imagine needing to switch between > looping the guitar parts only, and occationally also sampling both > guitar and the MainStage stack. > For the latter reason I'd expect a plugin looper a better choise. Will a G4 1.25/1.33, 1 gig ram Tiger installed lappie be enough to run MainStage with 3-4 synth/piano/organ's stacked up with some effects, while running some looping SW, probably not utilized as deep as what I've heard serious looper from in here do (on youtube et al..) ? -- rgds, van Sinn From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 3 14:38:43 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1A9283BF08; Sat, 3 Nov 2007 14:38:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=rv8Vvc/f+nsFvViUEzgpTN6EkSMdu0JV1zb/HMKupRk=; b=dJXFtEdXJFpTQkHvQ6EqcG5XCEbVSD/W6cMEOriLp5s1luN7VtlDibtQtAmtJVgoSqGMHxSTCvqOBt2e4dLHjs7zCDyUQag3hTCbwjXKoJTuLS5LtNGIDwAUx0SWuD93fpzbmPGRZb5hNrmOdjIVdj7lwe5U5TDfmvPbbHiJQCE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=RC4HleMVc5VbJoW6MaX6/wSqFb6fuihYiXw5TBsE8/BxpJSSGVW+QjQ4vbLYnwOSmIW3SrhEfJMsUQmTKIhSdmlZ5qsdgOp6Eod88tnh9miADifFu0qvK6F9GI4izR+SG+/v4Qgm+pZ1lEM3CMUDgbw6EaUMXvKNgJuaJXXNlH4= Message-ID: Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2007 15:38:41 +0100 From: "Raul Bonell" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: EFC7 footswitches in Europe In-Reply-To: <004701c81e20$0603acb0$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_18251_11303371.1194100721503" References: <004701c81e20$0603acb0$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> Resent-Message-ID: <5RMRx.A.-aE.yfILHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/75974 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2007 14:38:43 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_18251_11303371.1194100721503 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Try this Michael... http://britishaudioservice.com/shop_main_echoplex.shtml Bye bye, Raul. 2007/11/3, Michael Peters : > > my Echoplex foot controller switches need to be replaced. Is there anyone > who sells these switches in Europe (Germany)? > > -Michael > > -- The Playing Orchestra: http://www.telefonica.net/web2/tpo Chain Tape Collective: http://www.ct-collective.com TPO at myspace: http://www.myspace.com/theplayingorchestra ------=_Part_18251_11303371.1194100721503 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Try this Michael...

        http://britishaudioservice.com/shop_main_echoplex.shtml

        Bye bye,
        Raul.

        2007/11/3, Michael Peters < mp@mpeters.de>:
        my Echoplex foot controller switches need to be replaced. Is there anyone
        who sells these switches in Europe (Germany)?

        -Michael




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        Chain Tape Collective: http://www.ct-collective.com
        TPO at myspace: http://www.myspace.com/theplayingorchestra ------=_Part_18251_11303371.1194100721503-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 3 14:39:55 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2286F3BF06; Sat, 3 Nov 2007 14:39:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=EMRRh+o55FhcVQKeH5mCyob90CQodvZ8ZC5+MeoLzRI=; b=Qwwr/mcbXMRdqid5dCyyhY+CCXxqZsb2ogYuq1N7l8gOF3brXvgAltCHEgI/5a6rQNDRdNH9y1krX8fS3G0GPKE6nldRnROBC7eVp6q+NsNJ1RldS6ASXmT63c5obY2jWs6AHeHGmyTxbafddR9lKjGRzbCjd/VJ5+M+d/cwSAo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=qz89s+d4wcsRYlaVxz34MYk4rnfOSxnOoe+JI1BV5aftZlFgKrKpC2M+BLBl1WoGIzlH19g3W/6hb0f2COhkxBdaUGJlbbCJojiogPYzWrPTcLBNtF2yMMOMwlF85W5FMHKsj8W8d/tMuYhYk6Ih2tiVTSyxvmEM+9A5g5CAJYQ= Message-ID: Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2007 15:39:53 +0100 From: "Raul Bonell" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: EFC7 footswitches in Europe In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_18253_32438368.1194100794035" References: <004701c81e20$0603acb0$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/75975 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2007 14:39:55 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_18253_32438368.1194100794035 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Sorry, not European... just the name "British". 2007/11/3, Raul Bonell : > > Try this Michael... > > http://britishaudioservice.com/shop_main_echoplex.shtml > > Bye bye, > Raul. > > 2007/11/3, Michael Peters < mp@mpeters.de>: > > > > my Echoplex foot controller switches need to be replaced. Is there > > anyone > > who sells these switches in Europe (Germany)? > > > > -Michael > > > > > > > -- > The Playing Orchestra: http://www.telefonica.net/web2/tpo > Chain Tape Collective: http://www.ct-collective.com > TPO at myspace: http://www.myspace.com/theplayingorchestra -- The Playing Orchestra: http://www.telefonica.net/web2/tpo Chain Tape Collective: http://www.ct-collective.com TPO at myspace: http://www.myspace.com/theplayingorchestra ------=_Part_18253_32438368.1194100794035 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Sorry, not European... just the name "British".

        2007/11/3, Raul Bonell <raul.bonell@gmail.com>:
        Try this Michael...

        http://britishaudioservice.com/shop_main_echoplex.shtml

        Bye bye,
        Raul.

        2007/11/3, Michael Peters < mp@mpeters.de>:
        my Echoplex foot controller switches need to be replaced. Is there anyone
        who sells these switches in Europe (Germany)?

        -Michael




        --
        The Playing Orchestra: http://www.telefonica.net/web2/tpo
        Chain Tape Collective: http://www.ct-collective.com
        TPO at myspace: http://www.myspace.com/theplayingorchestra



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        Chain Tape Collective: http://www.ct-collective.com
        TPO at myspace: http://www.myspace.com/theplayingorchestra ------=_Part_18253_32438368.1194100794035-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 3 14:42:59 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0378A3BF0E; Sat, 3 Nov 2007 14:42:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <01ed01c81e27$d335b7d0$52b4ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <20071103053126.650323BEB8@arsenic.violacea.com> Subject: Re: FlyLoops and electronic instruments Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2007 08:42:56 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="windows-1250"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/75976 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2007 14:42:58 +0000 (UTC) Makes sense, thanks! Basically, your A->B is like Next Loop (or A/B on a Boomerang), except that rather than being restricted on just one loop, like on a Boomerang or EDP, you can do that on any track, or only on one track while static parts are looping on the other tracks. Serial loops...all that timing sig stuff you mentioned...I'll set that aside, as I don't play with time signatures or have any need for syncing in my work Kris ********* A->B 1 2 3 4 5 A B A - - loops 1 and 3 are still playing with but I have turned 2A off and replaced it with a newly record 2B (chorus lick). Hit A-B again and I go back to the verse riff .... drums remain the same 1 2 3 4 5 A A A - - From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 3 14:48:50 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 407543BF0F; Sat, 3 Nov 2007 14:48:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; bh=DHu30CMbQOxqkbhKzCj+vjLEDTSN19FRbMLwd379blM=; b=crno5vpD7VXxs3xXpSOYbbMgM3OGo1Q+XzErgQXEHmST7ahFJw7tj/S7bz70B8bAZG3J9POYi/2eYoWVuQvntfL+Pxa/fHd6tKqiTlizXbIRUrrSQWec/yEISIopB0wAYndF7BLlwFSnKtuEZfNPS/Bjs+EasAVvF9cpvjjrvvk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=JUry38+y9eYKhMtb71TTOjZ14yZ+IiX84fh2QDOVevRgBXpp1BC/9GZ+QoHgL38+bc3vdSg8AiYiq5pi+pOiEQWp/vfuT4wo8YeH3v3vEncAOj95rMOApoxj7wsZ/xqiZrAQfrR8puHQi9CcO8c2r5+ixj9yefe12kOAl5yNipk= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <472C8757.7050901@post.cybercity.dk> References: <9BF782FC-EA33-41D2-AA06-598DB95E5CFF@boysen.se> <472C8757.7050901@post.cybercity.dk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Need time sync explained Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2007 15:48:41 +0100 To: Loopers X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/75977 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2007 14:48:50 +0000 (UTC) On 3 nov 2007, at 15.36, van Sinn wrote: > Understood. Tried running Mobius on XP within Parallels on a McIntel? No and I don't think I will bother trying it either ;-)) But I'm looking forward to running Mobius under what is now in beta version called "Bootcamp" as soon as I can afford a new McIntel (still on G4 powerbook...). I think though, that until a good looper for OSX becomes available I will stick to the two laptop system now and then, since it's not possible to run OS X and Win XP at the same time, and in collaboration, on McIntel. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 3 15:05:12 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 74E5A3BF13; Sat, 3 Nov 2007 15:05:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; bh=7IrvhmsADTc8CKb0Eig2kqYTrZNBUGPyX1s/dw2BsWQ=; b=UJSuB0nVj6YOjeobOPXodDDDRC+5m8ok4vfSAmhdlZxzd/3DDfpZWnnm5Y5/LdmU+R/txIvF70ic0i403mD2tll9ICbE5MFwxDxrXtnrUK29l26M6Hlk32/EXiMtV4c3mSE5yZLtHQAQKjP9AhlzG3pek0bdkLHqEXx6b2cJlso= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=noQMDnlQkd+rWU1ciGlLIxPRfOo98GryWq0YxfYjNBFWp6cPD424Q/Oyq3zFnRukrq2pwA6kvLJSYuD2idJCCMR77YCFbfs7ZPUNEfbngJkX8mBrASl/rHmW2sinSljTgSs7F3wV+eLLJ2PGfDhZ5U7FNK3ODFkrVbwzuF8NYt8= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <472C87AC.2080809@post.cybercity.dk> References: <472B6C80.8030207@post.cybercity.dk> <00D88560-BFB0-419D-8B67-3960CDA8865D@gmail.com> <472C7021.9090301@post.cybercity.dk> <472C87AC.2080809@post.cybercity.dk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <936B79D2-5A5C-4519-A581-C9AB10E3BAF5@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Powerbook G4 1.25 performance (was: Re: Need time sync explained) Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2007 16:05:06 +0100 To: Loopers X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/75978 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2007 15:05:12 +0000 (UTC) On 3 nov 2007, at 15.37, van Sinn wrote: > van Sinn wrote: >> My plan (for later implementation) is having a MIDI/USB organ- >> style floor keyboard for playing stacked-up key/synth/organ's in >> MainStage while doing my guitar stuff. Planning to run this from >> a Mac lappie makes for good reasons considering a SW-based looper. >> If my planned setup moves on, I imagine needing to switch between >> looping the guitar parts only, and occationally also sampling both >> guitar and the MainStage stack. >> For the latter reason I'd expect a plugin looper a better choise. > > Will a G4 1.25/1.33, 1 gig ram Tiger installed lappie be enough to > run MainStage with 3-4 synth/piano/organ's stacked up with some > effects, while running some looping SW, probably not utilized as > deep as what I've heard serious looper from in here do (on youtube > et al..) ? That's the same Powerbook model I have, except for that I have 2 GB RAM in mine, and I'm afraid your ambition is too high for that machine. Over here I have found that the upper limit for what I can run during a concert, without risking audio artifacts due to CPU overload, is - 1 synth/sampler (EXS24, ES2, EVP88, EFM1 or Sculpture). Absolutely no CPU headroom for stacking software instruments ;-( - 1 Platinum Reverb (on an aux send bus) - 1 Autofilter + Stere Delay (on an aux send bus) The sampler EXS24 is the least CPU intensive, so for some sampler patches I have also chained a Tape Delay and a Phaser plug-in. But as for the Sculpture and ES2, which are awesome synths for EWI playing, there is no CPU power left for adding effects to the sound patches. I the examples above I am not running any looping software, only the synths/sampler/Guitar Amp Pro simulator. In other words; G4 Powerbook is pretty lame by today's standards ;-( Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 3 15:07:46 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CA4283BF18; Sat, 3 Nov 2007 15:07:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <022301c81e2b$49ee7350$52b4ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <000901c81db9$6b590310$1001a8c0@succubus> <01bf01c81dc5$2150b7c0$52b4ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Subject: Re: New CD Release: Music Unfit for Children Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2007 09:07:44 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0220_01C81DF8.FEDF4880" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: <8krqrB.A.MwF.C7ILHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/75979 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2007 15:07:46 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0220_01C81DF8.FEDF4880 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hmmm...not a bad idea...especially how fast kids are getting on = computers these days! That would lead to wayyyy too much OT, though. :) ----- Original Message -----=20 Nice stuff and as weird as ever... When are you creating their LD account? ,-) Thx for the free music, Raul. e: http://www.myspace.com/theplayingorchestra ------=_NextPart_000_0220_01C81DF8.FEDF4880 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
        Hmmm...not a bad idea...especially how = fast kids=20 are getting on computers these days!  That would lead to wayyyy too = much=20 OT, though. :)
        ----- Original Message -----

         
        Nice=20 stuff and as weird as ever...
        When are you creating their LD=20 account?

        ,-)

        Thx for the free music,
        Raul.

        e: = http://www.myspace.co= m/theplayingorchestra=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0220_01C81DF8.FEDF4880-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 3 15:55:05 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C6ABB3BF1B; Sat, 3 Nov 2007 15:55:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; bh=2AwUx/YXyOAAD8X+vJudUvC728+8vG4JsK4bmmB8MSw=; b=QWDIj+WbnUaqyTcPqO2tzZs6gnkWR8DwFAAgF9ffKNvlw0svE4o/va5QIyJoOL07BbCVKmPYav7Q5+hiWxlRiafz30hxyRESllj/fP6bwJ94fW/AODNRZAdvEKYW7W/8vP4B6XI8fYst6kyQ4U5OYEyVh+PuhMKZNfunScSkZpo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=OPPF2fX8asn8qlg9X8iYACAp6Kt0xUaFHcpXzGp7uTcwnfVae1fneSb6WsK9KOG9VoimKKCs41fKOBGBh/vR+U8mhdEtKkgtfaoHsEYVMxSe9VoPt6U0NXkslw5KN9sjE+zQGErHg588tQSXQ0E+q0ExvQDlvF0vRD72cgp5JeQ= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <20071102211625.093E83BED2@arsenic.violacea.com> References: <20071102211625.093E83BED2@arsenic.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: FlyLoops and electronic instruments Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2007 16:54:58 +0100 To: Loopers X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/75980 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2007 15:55:05 +0000 (UTC) On 2 nov 2007, at 22.16, Aaron Leese wrote: > INTERFACE / INTERACTION : > I know mobius can handle multiple loops in parallel, as can =20 > flyloops ... and > I think the approaches we use are somewhat similar ... > > Screenshots: > Flyloops - www.flyloops.com/screenshot.jpg > Mobius - http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/zonemobius > > It looks like you can control various aspects of multiple loops at =20 > the same > time from either program .... by this I mean hit a couple pedals =20 > and tell > the program to turn certain loops on/off on the next repeat ... Yes, or rather "Mute" as I prefer. This implies that the muted loop =20 keeps up with the time-line of the music and will still be in musical =20= sync when brought back into the sounding mix. Mobius offers different =20= modes of muting, which I think is brilliant; when you unmute the loop =20= again you can (1) have the loop run still in sync according to the =20 general music time-line, (2) start exactly where it was muted (as in =20 "pause") or (3) start from the beginning (given the un-mute action =20 happens on the set quantize point). > stack on a > certain loop (but not the others) .... ahh... you mean like "the two loops sticking together"? That might be =20= useful, but I think I would rather overdub one loop as a layer to the =20= other to keep them more easily manageable on-the-fly. > > INITIAL LOOP: > Both flyloops and mobius (I think) get their timing from an intial =20 > recorded > loop ... the "master". All others are synced to that, or not ... =20 > which > brings us to ..... > > SYNCING: > I am not sure what polyrythmic is on the looping comparison chart .. Quick input: poly rhythm in looping can happen when two loops of =20 different length run in parallel sync. Like for example, if one loop =20 is three beats and the other four beats long they will both hook up =20 again, at the first downbeat, each twelve beat (typical African feel). > but I > bet we have the same idea here. All loops in flyloops can be =20 > recorded as: > > - full sync - meaning start/stop recording only at the masters loop =20= > boundary > .. so all loops start/stop with the master, and are a multiple of =20 > the master > loops length Good for beginners. > - partial sync - start recording whenever I tap in, but when I tap =20 > out .. > wait until the loop is some multiple of the masters length ... so =20 > all loops > are a multiple of the length ... but will start/stop only at a =20 > particular > offset to the master. You must be missing something here, or didn't explain it as you =20 intended to! If the Tap In point is not quantized but the Tap Out =20 point is, then there is no chance that the resulting loop will match =20 a multiple of the master loops length. You need to also use =20 quantization for the TAp In action. > > - No sync - just start and stop when I tap ... so the loop can be any > length, and will not sync to the master. This is good! Out of sync loops can sound great for creating an =20 organic texture. > I imagine it is the same in mobius .... ? Correct. > > MASTER: switch which loop is master .. I am sure that mobius does =20 > this. Yes, it does. I have not found the need to use it yet though. > MIDI CONTROL: > I think they are comparable with this ... both programs have a wide =20= > variety > of functions that can be mapped to midi commands. > > TEMPO/PITCH SHIFT: > I haven't programmed this yet... so currently there is no tempo or =20 > pitch > shifting (there use to be, when I used DirectX .. you'll notice in =20 > one of > the videos) ... but ASIO has no inherent support for this ... but =20 > this is > top of the list of things to get done. Please note that you may easily implement Rate Shifting, which in =20 essence is simply old-school sampler stuff; with a higher pitch the =20 loop plays faster and becomes shorter. Personally I find this more =20 interesting than Tempo/Pitch Shift because it also opens up for =20 polyrhythymics when you apply chord changes by rate shifting the =20 loop. However, with this performance technique you need a function to =20= realign all loops now and then, since they may drift off sync into a =20 musically undesirable relation. > > TAP TEMPO: > Mobius does this ... Flyloops will, once pitch/tempo shift is =20 > complete. Does it? I must have missed that feature then. Anyway, both pitch-=20 shifting and time-stretching in Mobius are still not good enough for =20 Tap Tempo to make any sense in practice. It must be possible to =20 implement into a looper, since Ableton Live can do (although Live is =20 not A Looper). > > VST: > Mobius blows me out of the water here ... flyloops cannot run as a VST > (yet). Personally I'm more interested in running it as an AU (if OS X is =20 supported, that is) > GROUP LOOPING: > Can mobius specify which audio stream to record by device .. such =20 > as, when > receiving a certain command ... I record only the left audio source =20= > (which > happens to be, say, the drums) ... I sync it according to the sync =20 > setting Yes. By scripting almost every command or function in Mobius can be =20 combined in any way. If running Mobius VST you just have to assign =20 the different inputs of the laptops audio interface to different =20 Mobius track inputs. Routings can be set to change on given MIDI =20 event inputs. Personally I do this in Plogue Bidule, which is my =20 preferred VST host application. > ADD/ MULTIPLY/ OVERWRITE: same, I think > > STACK: Flyloops lets you stack on loops individually ... with =20 > whatever > decay you wish ... I imagine mobius is the same. I'm afraid I don't understand what you mean by "stack on loops =20 individually"? > CONSOLIDATE: consolidate loops ... select three and make them one. =20= > I don=92t > know if mobius does this .... ? Yes it does. See "Bounce" in the manual. The Bounce function works =20 perfectly, except for the fact that it does change the global tempo =20 base for the looping session, which makes it too complicated for me =20 to use in concerto praxis. > > GROUPING: > Specify that loops 1,2 and 4 are in group I .... loop 5 is in group =20= > II, and > 3 isnt in a group .... then change the volume for group I ... or =20 > the pan on > group II ..... or stutter the loops in group I .... > I imagine mobius can do this ... ? Yes. And more: By general preferences you can set for each function =20 if it will be affected by grouping or not. That's really good, I =20 think, because it makes the looper extremely configurable. Just a short note: In Mobius you do not group "loops" but "tracks". =20 Each track can stack a bunch of loops but only play back one at a =20 time. So in order to play back in parallel loops has to be recorded =20 on different tracks. I think this is very user-friendly too, because =20 then you can dedicate tracks for certain melody instrument and record =20= each instrument's "verse", "chorus" or "bridge" as "loop 1", "loop 2" =20= or "loop 3". If you then make a percussion loop on a different track =20 and don't group it, the percussion loop will keep playing while all =20 grouped tracks will change between different song parts. > EXTERNAL SYNCING: > flyloops doesn't do this ... It's not working very will in Mobius either, if you are hinting at =20 MIDI Clock Sync Slaving? But MIDI Clock is in general regarded as a =20 bad syncing protocol and doesn't work well on many good audio =20 applications. Apple even left it out for Logic Pro 8! (just the slave =20= side, they still let L8 send out MIDI Clock). > though once it is rewire compatible it should > by able to sync to internal sources. Please watch out when implementing ReWire! In Ableton Live you loose =20 the ability to send out MIDI when enabling ReWire Sync. This is a =20 tragedy since Live has excellent arpeggio plug-ins and many users =20 want to stream the arpeggioator's MIDI into another DAW for driving =20 really good software instruments and arrange compositions. Shame on =20 Ableton for this!!! > SAVING: > Flyloops can save in two way .... first, export the loops as wav =20 > files. > Also .. there is a record session button which records the =20 > performance ... Great that you can do both! Both ways are requested by many users. > it records to two files ... one which is live input (The solos =20 > being played) > the other is flyloops output .. the loops (after volume, etc. =20 > adjustments). Whoops... what about if you want to record parallel loops as parallel =20= audio files? I mean, you may want to mix the session properly in a DAW. Thanks for posting the deep info, Aaron! It was interesting to read, =20 since I happened to miss the FlyLoops demo in Santa Cruz. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 3 19:26:26 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0517B3BEF9; Sat, 3 Nov 2007 19:26:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 630485340-mk-filter-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com-B2C-$THROTTLED-DYNAMIC-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 79.74.238.25 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Aq4HAGJoLEdPSu4Z/2dsb2JhbACCKo4TlFg Message-ID: <472CCB8E.9020100@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Sat, 03 Nov 2007 19:27:10 +0000 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: LD Subject: Gordius LG first impression. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/75981 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2007 19:26:25 +0000 (UTC) Got the Gordius LG a couple of days ago. Not programmed it yet, but checked it out for switches/ergonomics. This review is based on using(soon) the product for looping, which is not what it was originally designed for, so please keep this is mind if some of this seems a bit critical.. 1) Xavier made a couple of mods to the LG for me, moving 2 switches and allowing the LG to access 4 expression pedals rather than 2. Seems this is to be called the LG4 ( ....dunnow what's wrong with LGab :-) anyway with the LG4 there's 2 rows of 5 buttons at the front for patches or whatever, while the bank up + down switches are on top of the unit. By agreement between Xavier and myself, these mods were done in a pragmatic way, 2 LEDS await my attentions with a power drill to get them into the right place, and the legending is done in temporary stickers. I'm happy with the deal, but if you're expecting a professional finish then you need to haggle with Xavier. (dealing with Xavier is a happy experience tho') 2) power supply is a wall wart, of the euro type which doesn't fit with UK sockets without an argument. 3) the ergonomics of the button spacing is excellent for fast footwork, though for precision a good pair of looping shoes will be needed. I'm used to the fcb1010, which has large pads for each switch. Horizontal spacing is exactly the same as fcb1010 The 2 rows are both easy to get at, and it's very easy to get the correct switch. 4) switches aren't in any way silent, they don't click like a stomp box, but there's a fair clack to be heard. The switches aren't damped, and the noise resonates through the body. Well , if you push them slowly, they can be silent, but what's the fun in that. So not ideal for looping in that respect ( but not too bad either) Noisier than the fcb1010. about the same as the pmc10 5) response of the switches is nice and fast, a light tap triggers the function, and if the switch is pushed further there's a bit more resistance to it. For the guy who asked if he could rest his foot on the button before activating, the answer is ' probably not'. ( andy says 'learn to tapdance' ;-) For a swift footed looper, these buttons are ideal, and look very expensive and reliable. So far, I'm really pleased with this unit. Xavier doesn't publish a list of suitable expression pedals (except the expensive Roland one) so I'm not ready to go live with it yet. The latest features include sysex, and the ability to place a delay in a string of commands. Already it had the ability to control 2 edps together or separately. (in other words EDP heaven) More info later. andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 3 21:04:33 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BD8A73BEF5; Sat, 3 Nov 2007 21:04:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; bh=UA52byErNku3LwxICrXhLfACZsUka5tHDId+JCCSgQM=; b=VW+Upan/38B+1w61ANwcOpy8gGn/fcTahd+SZnUOpBDfWNGVsoto3tzDLorrV9GnvbnfBQUyzXYfHaxNn4xWsiZDz2/3JvGFYGb+aXhTf54Ljb+GKee8iWTq6qBIVs7zc/SDCNCYJje8KTFIZ2gExtk8dp4QihlpP+e5IFVhKYI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=YodgTBpOCNcvK7AUwCFL1580Gl54SoUmmDd3UlR2jU/aY7E4x/1XdgOpAyI0IFBkVnXI9KL/7u93EE5eB0QB2HujdQTWW5sasMNjGNP2w+GZR8n2BFqz2PqAAVeKb9xbPIW+lw6Itgc447LeMoTtoC312ry0Ur2qB0fUXrR8R78= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <472CCB8E.9020100@tiscali.co.uk> References: <472CCB8E.9020100@tiscali.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Gordius LG first impression. Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2007 22:04:26 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/75982 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2007 21:04:33 +0000 (UTC) On 3 nov 2007, at 20.27, andy butler wrote: > This review.... Thank you, Andy, for the quick review posting! VEry interesting. I would like to ask about what I think is the most important point, the size. A while back someone on this list said the Gordius is two centimeter too big for bringing in the cabin when flying. Is this correct? Flight restrictions permit cabin baggage up to 56 centimeters length. How long is this pedal? Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 3 21:19:19 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BD9463BF04; Sat, 3 Nov 2007 21:19:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 641494330-mk-filter-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com-B2C-$THROTTLED-DYNAMIC-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 79.74.238.25 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Aq4HAGaCLEdPSu4Z/2dsb2JhbACCKqI7 Message-ID: <472CE606.7030803@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Sat, 03 Nov 2007 21:20:06 +0000 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Gordius LG first impression. References: <472CCB8E.9020100@tiscali.co.uk> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/75983 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2007 21:19:19 +0000 (UTC) the LG I have is 34cm long, :-) and if I get some time off from mailing about it I'll be able to open the pc editor for it. so..the Big LG (with the keyboard layout and pedals must be 58cm?? Per Boysen wrote: > On 3 nov 2007, at 20.27, andy butler wrote: > >> This review.... > > > Thank you, Andy, for the quick review posting! VEry interesting. I would > like to ask about what I think is the most important point, the size. A > while back someone on this list said the Gordius is two centimeter too > big for bringing in the cabin when flying. Is this correct? Flight > restrictions permit cabin baggage up to 56 centimeters length. How long > is this pedal? > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > www.looproom.com (international) > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 3 21:28:48 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 460E93BF02; Sat, 3 Nov 2007 21:28:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; bh=icn3pl8i4gSFp6C/rZee2kdoievxJuyi9zMRe8fqoZE=; b=b90K3EIclL0WgrA/sM3p5HTd8IdxEcIDSUgX0Vc0LloUC26z2R6sEIOKY8ocq/GUsdBbyAX+Gz02N11DeH5TVkLQ7IUPNheM6kuxijxuojfHgrHz5aNOWA8R69+zMIuwV3F3dVfyUsdRgDmdZvOlpU2rWXQBbgsmgLtYO+RCl5M= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=aaY1MSekOwmJOCAeDo6cFD4dd5WYNGjraAIls8NNbo4TkRIniw/ybPmBxVeo3toC6A+ZJyHHXa4UVKjWpzzM6pmFAIqIifIzg0I6XFv2GmvmA4brJruxbBJNhAgdVwGiNyg2tH86D6ztZI53+kbq2niqOfHO/D2p3i1BtEB8Ox4= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <472CE606.7030803@tiscali.co.uk> References: <472CCB8E.9020100@tiscali.co.uk> <472CE606.7030803@tiscali.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <014C19F3-B671-4999-8BBF-2680C2975066@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Gordius LG first impression. Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2007 22:28:42 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/75984 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2007 21:28:48 +0000 (UTC) LG: Now that's excellent! Thanks! per On 3 nov 2007, at 22.20, andy butler wrote: > the LG I have is 34cm long, > > :-) and if I get some time off from mailing about it I'll be able to > open the pc editor for it. > > so..the Big LG (with the keyboard layout and pedals must be 58cm?? That would be the educated guess then I guess.... ;-( > Per Boysen wrote: >> On 3 nov 2007, at 20.27, andy butler wrote: >>> This review.... >> Thank you, Andy, for the quick review posting! VEry interesting. I >> would like to ask about what I think is the most important point, >> the size. A while back someone on this list said the Gordius is >> two centimeter too big for bringing in the cabin when flying. Is >> this correct? Flight restrictions permit cabin baggage up to 56 >> centimeters length. How long is this pedal? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 4 04:37:25 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 669CC3BF00; Sun, 4 Nov 2007 04:37:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "Aaron Leese" To: Subject: RE: FlyLoops and electronic instruments Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2007 21:37:06 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1250" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 In-Reply-To: Thread-Index: AcgeMeq0bKK/4y8ETRaD4J6ebGL5JAAY5xsg X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Message-Id: <20071104043724.C08CB3BEF8@arsenic.violacea.com> Resent-Message-ID: <827LiD.A.oMB.FyULHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/75985 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2007 04:37:25 +0000 (UTC) Wooo ..... sounds like we generally understand each other .... let me = just talk about a few of the thing that we seem to differ on ..... and then = let me know about some of these things that don=92t make sense to me. Aaron :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::= :: ......or rather "Mute" as I prefer. This implies that the muted loop =20 keeps up with the time-line of the music and will still be in musical =20 sync when brought back into the sounding mix. Mobius offers different =20 modes of muting, which I think is brilliant; when you unmute the loop =20 again you can ... (1) have the loop run still in sync according to the =20 general music time-line,=20 (2) start exactly where it was muted (as in =20 "pause") or=20 (3) start from the beginning (given the un-mute action =20 happens on the set quantize point). Yeah .... same deal with flyloops .... 1) I call mute 2) pause 3) on/off Also ... you should be able to just play from the beginning at an = arbitrary starting point ..... such as the "one shot" on the RC-50. I imagine = mobius can do this as well ? > SYNCING: Quick input: poly rhythm ...... Right, got it ... flyloops and mobius are both capable of this (since = both can handle loops of various lengths, but with the same underlying basic = unit of length). > > - full sync ....... Good for beginners. > - partial sync -=20 You must be missing something here, or didn't explain it as you =20 intended to! If the Tap In point is not quantized but the Tap Out =20 point is, then there is no chance that the resulting loop will match =20 a multiple of the master loops length. You need to also use =20 quantization for the TAp In action. Here is what I mean: http://www.flyloops.com/semantics/loopingmodes.html Except that back then I called it "latching" ..... this is ideal for a phrase that comes in on ... say ... the third beat of a 4/4 measure ... = but repeats every 8 measures .... you only want it to cut in/out on the 3rd = beat ... but you want it to be as long as the master (or 2,3,4 .. times as = long). For me this one is a big deal because a lot of jazz tunes have melodies beginning on a downbeat other that the 1st ... and you want to be able = to move seamlessly from playing that melody to not .... but without = trailing notes ....... Make sense? > TAP TEMPO: > Mobius does this ... Flyloops will, once pitch/tempo shift is =20 > complete. Does it? I must have missed that feature then.=20 Hmmm .... maybe I am wrong ... I thought I read that it did. > > VST: > Mobius blows me out of the water here ... flyloops cannot run as a VST > (yet). Personally I'm more interested in running it as an AU (if OS X is =20 supported, that is) Yeah, I know ..... many are. > GROUP LOOPING: > Can mobius specify which audio stream to record by device .. such =20 > as, when > receiving a certain command ... I record only the left audio source =20 > (which > happens to be, say, the drums) ... I sync it according to the sync =20 > setting Yes. By scripting almost every command or function in Mobius can be =20 combined in any way. If running Mobius VST you just have to assign =20 the different inputs of the laptops audio interface to different =20 Mobius track inputs. Routings can be set to change on given MIDI =20 event inputs. Personally I do this in Plogue Bidule, which is my =20 preferred VST host application. Hmmm .... surprising, then, that we haven't seen more true group looping experiments .... and let me be very clear ... I do NOT mean two or more people were one lays down a loop and others try to follow ..... I mean = an environment were more than one person lay down loops that are synced = with one another .... certainly mobius is capable of that ..... do you have = any examples of it ??? For example ..... say ..... rick walker lays down a quick 1 measure drum lick ... Then per boysen lays down a 5 measure flute ostinato .... Then Arild lays down a 10 measure bass line ... Then they take turns jamming over it ....... And occasionally turn a track on/off ... Maybe this just isn't anyone's style ..... and I'll accept that if it is = the case ... but I find it hard to believe that there are no examples of it = out there .... yet I haven't found one. > STACK: Flyloops lets you stack on loops individually ... with =20 > whatever > decay you wish ... I imagine mobius is the same. I'm afraid I don't understand what you mean by "stack on loops =20 individually"? I'm not sure, but I think we are mis-communicating here .... Here is what I mean: Three loops on different tracks ..... Tracks: 1 2 3 4 5 Loops: A A(s) - A -=20 So there are three recorded loops on three separate tracks, playing in parallel .. but one is stacking (overdubbing ... with a decay rate) on = just one of them (track 2, maybe ... hence the "s" above) ..... leaving the = other untouched. So one and three play as usual .... 2 stacks with a decay = rate. If you are unclear on this ... please listen to that recording I posted = a few days ago .... I make heavy use of this technique. > CONSOLIDATE: consolidate loops ... select three and make them one. =20 > I don=92t know if mobius does this .... ? Yes it does. See "Bounce" in the manual. The Bounce function works =20 perfectly, except for the fact that it does change the global tempo =20 base for the looping session. Why would it change the global tempo for this ??? I think I don't understand ........ > though once it is rewire compatible it should > by able to sync to internal sources. Please watch out when implementing ReWire! In Ableton Live you loose =20 the ability to send out MIDI when enabling ReWire Sync. Indeed .... I agree .. I'll be careful ..... to be fair though, there = may be technical limitations here .... certain elements are easy to sync up ... others much harder. > SAVING: > it records to two files ... one which is live input (The solos =20 > being played) > the other is flyloops output .. the loops (after volume, etc. =20 > adjustments). Whoops... what about if you want to record parallel loops as parallel =20 audio files? I mean, you may want to mix the session properly in a DAW. Yes... it does that too ... I call that "save loops" instead of "save session". Usually its good to do both ... then you end up with a number = of small loop wav files ..... plus a longer live recording of what the = looper itself was playing at any given time .... plus a recording of what the musician(s) was/were playing at any given time .... Make sense? This way you have a lot of versatility when editing .... Thanks for posting the deep info, Aaron!=20 Any time brotha ..... hope to have more discussions about it all ... = this is very enlightening for me ....and it's always good to get all are words together (loop =3D track .... overdub =3D stack ... things like that). Ciao AL =20 Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Free Edition.=20 Version: 7.5.487 / Virus Database: 0.0.0/0 - Release Date: = 12:00 AM =20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 4 07:03:13 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 74DED3BF0C; Sun, 4 Nov 2007 07:03:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <472D6EAE.3060507@gordius.be> Date: Sun, 04 Nov 2007 08:03:10 +0100 From: GORDIUS info Reply-To: info@gordius.be User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (Windows/20070728) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Gordius LG first impression. References: <472CCB8E.9020100@tiscali.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <472CCB8E.9020100@tiscali.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <-2xa5D.A.tkH.x6WLHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/75986 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2007 07:03:13 +0000 (UTC) Just a small add-on to avoid possible confusion : > with the LG4 there's 2 rows of 5 buttons at the front for patches or whatever, > while the bank up + down switches are on top of the unit. This modified switch placement (having the up/down buttons on top, instead of at the right side of the 2 rows) is just a "personal mod" I did on Andy's unit (without professional finish indeed), it will not be done on the "LG4" in general. "LG4" just refers to the option of having 4 expression pedal inputs (instead of the 2 external switches + 2 expr.pedals) on the Little Giant. Until now this configuration was available on the Big Little Giant only. Regards, Xavier andy butler wrote: > Got the Gordius LG a couple of days ago. > > Not programmed it yet, but checked it out for switches/ergonomics. > > This review is based on using(soon) the product for looping, which is > not what > it was originally designed for, so please keep this is mind if some of > this seems > a bit critical.. > > > 1) Xavier made a couple of mods to the LG for me, moving 2 switches > and allowing the LG to access > 4 expression pedals rather than 2. > Seems this is to be called the LG4 > ( ....dunnow what's wrong with LGab :-) > > anyway with the LG4 there's 2 rows of 5 buttons at the front for > patches or whatever, > while the bank up + down switches are on top of the unit. > > By agreement between Xavier and myself, these mods were done in a > pragmatic way, > 2 LEDS await my attentions with a power drill to get them into the > right place, and > the legending is done in temporary stickers. I'm happy with the > deal, but if you're > expecting a professional finish then you need to haggle with Xavier. > (dealing with Xavier is a happy experience tho') > > 2) power supply is a wall wart, of the euro type which doesn't fit > with UK sockets without an argument. > > 3) the ergonomics of the button spacing is excellent for fast > footwork, though for precision > a good pair of looping shoes will be needed. > I'm used to the fcb1010, which has large pads for each switch. > Horizontal spacing is exactly the same as fcb1010 > The 2 rows are both easy to get at, and it's very easy to get the > correct switch. > > > 4) switches aren't in any way silent, they don't click like a stomp > box, but there's a fair clack > to be heard. The switches aren't damped, and the noise resonates > through the body. > Well , if you push them slowly, they can be silent, but what's the > fun in that. > So not ideal for looping in that respect ( but not too bad either) > Noisier than the fcb1010. about the same as the pmc10 > > 5) response of the switches is nice and fast, a light tap triggers the > function, and if the switch > is pushed further there's a bit more resistance to it. > For the guy who asked if he could rest his foot on the button before > activating, the answer > is ' probably not'. ( andy says 'learn to tapdance' ;-) > For a swift footed looper, these buttons are ideal, and look very > expensive and reliable. > > So far, I'm really pleased with this unit. > Xavier doesn't publish a list of suitable expression pedals > (except the expensive Roland one) so I'm not ready to go live with it > yet. > > The latest features include sysex, and the ability to place a delay > in a string of commands. > Already it had the ability to control 2 edps together or separately. > (in other words EDP heaven) > > More info later. > > andy butler > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 4 07:14:57 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7EC6B3BF1A; Sun, 4 Nov 2007 07:14:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <472D716A.9010308@gordius.be> Date: Sun, 04 Nov 2007 08:14:50 +0100 From: GORDIUS info Reply-To: info@gordius.be User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (Windows/20070728) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Gordius LG first impression. References: <472CCB8E.9020100@tiscali.co.uk> <472CE606.7030803@tiscali.co.uk> <014C19F3-B671-4999-8BBF-2680C2975066@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <014C19F3-B671-4999-8BBF-2680C2975066@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/75987 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2007 07:14:57 +0000 (UTC) Another small add-on in order to avoid confusion ;-) Size of the Little Giant : 340mm x 165mm x 70-100mm (L x W x H) Size of the Big Little Giant : 550mm x 165mm x 70-100mm (L x W x H) Our initial idea was to provide small custom made flight cases for the floorboards. These would add only 2 times the flight case thickness to the long side of the pedal, resulting in a transportable unit of (slightly...) under 56 cm. However, the flight cases turned out to be too expensive to produce in small quantities. What Luca referred to in an earlier message, is the fact that most hand luggage suitcases have an inner space of 50 to 53 cm, making the "Big Little Giant" 2 cm too big... Regards, Xavier Per Boysen wrote: > LG: Now that's excellent! Thanks! > > per > > On 3 nov 2007, at 22.20, andy butler wrote: > >> the LG I have is 34cm long, >> >> :-) and if I get some time off from mailing about it I'll be able to >> open the pc editor for it. >> >> so..the Big LG (with the keyboard layout and pedals must be 58cm?? > > That would be the educated guess then I guess.... ;-( > >> Per Boysen wrote: >>> On 3 nov 2007, at 20.27, andy butler wrote: >>>> This review.... >>> Thank you, Andy, for the quick review posting! VEry interesting. I >>> would like to ask about what I think is the most important point, >>> the size. A while back someone on this list said the Gordius is two >>> centimeter too big for bringing in the cabin when flying. Is this >>> correct? Flight restrictions permit cabin baggage up to 56 >>> centimeters length. How long is this pedal? > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 4 09:34:56 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 446BF3BF24; Sun, 4 Nov 2007 09:34:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 624383302-mk-filter-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com-B2C-$THROTTLED-DYNAMIC-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 79.66.216.117 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Aq4HAF4gLUdPQth1/2dsb2JhbACCKqFB Message-ID: <472D926E.2010009@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Sun, 04 Nov 2007 09:35:42 +0000 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: LD Subject: Re: FlyLoops and electronic instruments References: <20071104043724.C08CB3BEF8@arsenic.violacea.com> In-Reply-To: <20071104043724.C08CB3BEF8@arsenic.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1250; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/75988 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2007 09:34:56 +0000 (UTC) > ......or rather "Mute" as I prefer. This implies that the muted loop > keeps up with the time-line of the music and will still be in musical > sync when brought back into the sounding mix. Mobius offers different > modes of muting, which I think is brilliant; when you unmute the loop > again you can ... > well ;-) let's not forget that this brilliance belongs to Matthias Grob who programmed the EDP. andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 4 11:24:51 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6621C3BF22; Sun, 4 Nov 2007 11:24:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=mLeh8H0AGqUV/73i1xj2nk3uKg20wxXPDR6gEHTKLDJ598qlR5wHYHKC0LxfDjtOOZoBRpJZcdsbLvukoja3rWYPnkprEisjIM5w54vleFjVT+gqVbbbSG5lWEEYcH33m2rBMXeuB/pCtc+Oq3OVI8NFj/ceKHqZbwpLe2Asoec=; X-YMail-OSG: 6F340_IVM1mQSP9dztgvziMLaJOQMpIVZs8CGcJpaHO5Wrufhj94b6UNNxoUdUt2DyNHpL6fc4dgmcXvLAli2BTbV.8hQT_N47mKdfCn82q4AhqZ.Mc- Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2007 03:24:49 -0800 (PST) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: Pod XT pro delays etc. To: Loopers Delight MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <964439.30023.qm@web38615.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/75989 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2007 11:24:51 +0000 (UTC) Hi gang, is anybody using this unit? I like the delay units of the DL4 so i am trying to replace it with a rack unit along with amp simulations and other efx and minimize floor space and long runing cables,(i am not concern replacing the DL4s looping function since i use the EDP for it) i will most likely be doing the same with the floor GR-33 synth by getting the GI20 and some sort of synth module,it also saves setup time. ive gotten rid of my beloved roland GP-100 and been looking at the Boss GT-pro but in my opinion its delays arent as interesting as the DL4s. I am interested in its sound quality specially the delays ,reliability,etc.ive been to the HC reviews but i need as many user opinios from loopers as well. I know is a bit O.T. but you are welcome to write me directly. thanx Luis www.myspace.com/luisangulocom __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 4 12:39:32 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DA08C3BF2D; Sun, 4 Nov 2007 12:39:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: AW: Pod XT pro delays etc. Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2007 13:40:01 +0100 Organization: Moinlabs Message-ID: <001801c81edf$d13c4f30$1001a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <964439.30023.qm@web38615.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Thread-Index: Acge1VE+2Ue8NH7sQIGs2INZvhctLQACagVg X-RZG-AUTH: lUESeo99iNzPL8kuBgLYdKEqUywq9cxqeRA+BtFcSCD10+29g0ZJrwgdsg== X-RZG-CLASS-ID: mo07 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/75990 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2007 12:39:32 +0000 (UTC) Hi Luis, just dug out a review I wrote on Harmony Central when, back in 2004, I did test drive the PodXT Live (which I suspect is similar to the PodXT, although details may vary). Here are the passages which I deem to be of greatest importance: About adjusting parameters with a real-time controller: "The expression pedal and one additional pedal (not supplied) can be assigned to Wah, Volume and "Tweak". Tweak can adjust several parameters, several others not. This is especially stupid because none of the amp's parameters can be "tweaked". No footpedal-controlled drive." Tempo sync: "MIDI implementation: well, it can neither send nor receive MIDI clock. Which is a real pity, because both delay and mod effects can be synced to the tapped tempo, so a MIDI sync would've come in real handy." About quality of the effects: "I could not warm to the EQ - it does not sound the way either a typical guitarist's gear EQ nor a professional studio EQ nor a Tchebychev/Butterworth/Gauss model should sound. By choosing the algorithms for the stomp effect, I didn't quite grasp their approach: there are lots of non-working guitar synth "emulations", yet it is lacking i.e. the best models from the FM4 modeler. The mod effects were weak in the MM4, they are weak here. Driving a delay model (i.e. multi head) into saturation causes the thing to produce horrible artifacts and display CLIP. Neither the original Space Echo nor its model in Line6's DL4 did do this. Adjusting the delay time with contents in the delay doesn't work as smooth as with the DL4 (or with the originals), either. I could not warm to the reverbs other than the Fender Blackface model, which I personally like. I would've expected better delays. The wah...is okay. But why not include different wah models (i.e. choose between a Bad Horsie and a Dunlop and...). Or at least give me the possibility to adjust it. Mainly, this thing is cool for its amp and cabinet models. And they are cool." Rainer From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 4 13:46:17 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E20A33BF32; Sun, 4 Nov 2007 13:46:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=YJlgHjdyzrRispz1Qm7IijB2qwdNq4/w53DCFj+nB38EM0ZAoYE9dpzceLx3iCmLIvia5M/EBimtTdSPgvhorfBMzFA2CMe6P2kHjzzL6MwrdnCEOb1o0zZwPyIo4agelpktm4j4JE+vpQ2RdYmWL9Tk28F1+74a5i07cu0rguM=; X-YMail-OSG: kysmT0QVM1l5NNAOsg0lEk7qbJY3kvYYpQ3vOjC1MFvDCP2C0wsuyFM2iww.wJEhvNH2XKOO79bC0h0NkWdAVQKrEQZDz_yo5QCOZ5MLx.yKPmlN9p0- Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2007 05:46:14 -0800 (PST) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: Re: AW: Pod XT pro delays etc. To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <001801c81edf$d13c4f30$1001a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <654042.41398.qm@web38602.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/75991 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2007 13:46:17 +0000 (UTC) hmm thats a real pity,these are precisely the features i was interested in... i wonder if the rack echo pro has the same issue problems of the DL4 and would also need a mod i am using it with acoustic guitar so it has to be transparent when bypassed and id hate to have any gain loss. Cheers Rainer! Luis --- Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill wrote: > Hi Luis, > > just dug out a review I wrote on Harmony Central > when, back in 2004, I did > test drive the PodXT Live (which I suspect is > similar to the PodXT, although > details may vary). Here are the passages which I > deem to be of greatest > importance: > > About adjusting parameters with a real-time > controller: > "The expression pedal and one additional pedal (not > supplied) can be > assigned to Wah, Volume and "Tweak". Tweak can > adjust several parameters, > several others not. This is especially stupid > because none of the amp's > parameters can be "tweaked". No footpedal-controlled > drive." > > Tempo sync: > "MIDI implementation: well, it can neither send nor > receive MIDI clock. > Which is a real pity, because both delay and mod > effects can be synced to > the tapped tempo, so a MIDI sync would've come in > real handy." > > About quality of the effects: > "I could not warm to the EQ - it does not sound the > way either a typical > guitarist's gear EQ nor a professional studio EQ nor > a > Tchebychev/Butterworth/Gauss model should sound. By > choosing the algorithms > for the stomp effect, I didn't quite grasp their > approach: there are lots of > non-working guitar synth "emulations", yet it is > lacking i.e. the best > models from the FM4 modeler. The mod effects were > weak in the MM4, they are > weak here. Driving a delay model (i.e. multi head) > into saturation causes > the thing to produce horrible artifacts and display > CLIP. Neither the > original Space Echo nor its model in Line6's DL4 did > do this. Adjusting the > delay time with contents in the delay doesn't work > as smooth as with the DL4 > (or with the originals), either. > I could not warm to the reverbs other than the > Fender Blackface model, which > I personally like. I would've expected better > delays. > > The wah...is okay. But why not include different wah > models (i.e. choose > between a Bad Horsie and a Dunlop and...). Or at > least give me the > possibility to adjust it. > > Mainly, this thing is cool for its amp and cabinet > models. And they are > cool." > > Rainer > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 4 14:32:02 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B8AC83BF2E; Sun, 4 Nov 2007 14:32:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; bh=NavarRo+tsh+1f6q2KbKXRZBQG9+kfsej/8w+n609F0=; b=iRiJ+67Fyy3DuMGL4AnxN3/s9q/2YKIPM8GkqhRHXH700Jzwh0R7zDPtfrEoH/9fgAWKl/kBGXsdHkvqifesDdaXs3AaUc1Okeuj4LrMMNw8bV62C0Zjb4fl0zHpy3G/XOvXvaT4+UIPJr+Q11y557iVrQa2QHVWHUVd/jP6Dw0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=dHRAH7O2yanJaLTT91gAbY1v6Nu0BXtkVaDPwCTB8/dtw8E7MpKPdfUeAJmEg1Wp3OLgO91frzUxVw+SATT1RaKGWaAbsagte4uRy/hiPyyB/7fy9cvJmoJ+FLokDe9DN068BmJ2V/K40lq5a3Q4OEKLWaq373J5XK0LrT0zCpY= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <472D926E.2010009@tiscali.co.uk> References: <20071104043724.C08CB3BEF8@arsenic.violacea.com> <472D926E.2010009@tiscali.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: FlyLoops and electronic instruments Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2007 15:31:57 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/75992 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2007 14:32:02 +0000 (UTC) >> ......or rather "Mute" as I prefer. This implies that the muted >> loop keeps up with the time-line of the music and will still be >> in musical sync when brought back into the sounding mix. Mobius >> offers different modes of muting, which I think is brilliant; >> when you unmute the loop again you can ... On 4 nov 2007, at 10.35, andy butler wrote: > well ;-) > let's not forget that this brilliance belongs to Matthias Grob who > programmed the EDP. Certainly! I just took that for understood, kind of forgetting that this thread is also read by newcomers that don't know the history of the EDP looping context. I for one should thank Matthias for inventing all this! ;-) ...as Mobius originally started as project of Jeff Larsen to see if it would be possible to implement the EDP functionality, only from reading the EDP manual and coding its functions for Windows. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 4 15:32:59 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BC01C3BF3A; Sun, 4 Nov 2007 15:32:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: From: James Richmond To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <964439.30023.qm@web38615.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v912) Subject: Re: Pod XT pro delays etc. Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2007 10:32:55 -0500 References: <964439.30023.qm@web38615.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.912) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/75993 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2007 15:32:59 +0000 (UTC) > Hi gang, > is anybody using this unit? I like the delay units of > the DL4 so i am trying to replace it with a rack unit > along with amp simulations and other efx and minimize > floor space and long runing cables,(i am not concern > replacing the DL4s looping function since i use the > EDP for it) Hi, I can probably assist here. I have a quite a few guitar processors- the Pod Pro XT is pretty cool- it does have strengths and weaknesses though. The delays are on par with the Echo Pro (which I also use) and the modulation effects are wonderful. I would highly recommend the 4 expansion packs- particularly the fx pack. There are a whole bunch of gnarly synth tones in there that are a staple for me for wild guitar tones. The 'metal' pack has a model of a couple of Engl amps that I use anytime a modern rock tone is required. I've done many sessions with those models despite having a bunch of tube amps (Mesa/Fenders/Marshalls)- it isn't always the right tone but with a bit of tweaking you can get some astonishing results. A note regarding the record-ability. As an engineer I find getting distorted Pod tones to be difficult to get to fit in a mix the way a guitar tone should. If you aren't doing a lot of recording then you probably don't need to worry- but the problem is in the converters, I believe- they are grainy and flabby sounding compared to other converters. The work around is to DI the guitar into your DAW and run the Pod Pro XT via the AES/EBU IO. It makes all the difference. Regards, Jim Richmond From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 4 15:34:44 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DCE133BF36; Sun, 4 Nov 2007 15:34:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Sun, 04 Nov 2007 11:34:48 -0500 From: Bill Fox Subject: Galactic Travels Playlist #553 for November 1, 2007 To: undisclosed-recipients: ; Message-id: <472DF4A8.10102@soundscapes.us> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.12 (Windows/20070509) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/75994 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2007 15:34:43 +0000 (UTC) http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2007/071101.html Galactic Travels is an electronic, ambient, and space music show, that airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA, 93.9 FM in Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ, 93.7 FM in Fogelsville and Trexlertown, and webcasting on the internet. WDIY also broadcasts in Digital HD at 88.1 FM. Show #553 November 1, 2007 RECAP: On this show, I began a month-long focus on Paul Ellis. The Featured CD at Midnight was "Appears to Vanish" on NeuHarmony Records. I also played the music of Radio Massacre International, a group from the that will be in an area concert on the 17th. Details are on the events page. Paul Ellis: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2007/focus.html#nov RMI: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/events.html#gather PLAYLIST: 11:04 pm ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ==================== ==================== ============================== Kevin Braheny Starflight 1 * Galaxies (Hearts of Space) William Edge The End of Galaxy 10 Soundchamber (Sounds Blue) Joint Intelligence Flipflopside Live Workshop #1 (none) Committee Fulton and Reaves Endless Range and The Range (Binary) Time Fulton and Reaves Fascination The Range (Binary) Fulton and Reaves Blinded By Time The Range (Binary) Fulton and Reaves Troubled Skies The Range (Binary) Radio Massacre Searching Septentrional (DiN) Septentrional Skies 12:00 am ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ==================== ==================== ============================== Paul Ellis Part 1 Appears to Vanish (Binary) Paul Ellis Part 2 Appears to Vanish (Binary) Paul Ellis Part 3 Appears to Vanish (Binary) Paul Ellis Mysterious Sketches Appears to Vanish (Binary) 1:00 am * = excerpt VA = Various Artists (compilation) ++ = Advance CDR from Artist -- = Background music under interview NEXT SHOW: On the next Galactic Travels, I'll continue the month-long focus on Paul Ellis. The Featured CD at Midnight will be "Into the Liquid Unknown" on Binary Records. Bill ======================================================================= Host of Galactic Travels, an electronic, ambient, and space music show, Thursdays at 11:04 pm EDT (GMT-4:00) on WDIY 88.1 FM in Allentown and Bethlehem, 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg, and on 93.7 FM in Trexlertown and Fogelsville. WDIY also broadcasts in HD Digital Radio on 88.1 FM. Galactic Travels web site: http://galactictravels.info MySpace: http://myspace.com/galactictravels RSS News Feed: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/rss/enews.xml Podcasts: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/rss/gt.xml Listen on-line to WDIY at http://wdiy.org and click on the LISTEN link or go directly to: http://rm1.refugemedia.com/ramgen/encoder/wdiy.rm To subscribe to the galactic-travels mailing list, click on [Join This Group!] at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/galactic-travels Playlists are also published at http://billfox.blogspot.com RSS (2.0) feed from http://billfox.blogspot.com/rss.xml Atom (0.3) feed from http://billfox.blogspot.com/atom.xml From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 4 15:52:55 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9813B3BF42; Sun, 4 Nov 2007 15:52:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; bh=YDpEXye0enzQiRAgKb7khswPSkankMx3nRqaePmFOb4=; b=P/zA+juamv1MB8QnzhjaPSBwFdhz2WSk80/Ldmvk3noPCQnVjNh52JX2qtBReM1wZQJwTfRLsll1AREeH8ehF0WZXnOwFnMVVID0WmiW/flAMJrSqcusrc6y/niYmD7JNtaQim0MRAmW3+yTqdKqShL2Dy1XACbALS+f8ihZ23k= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=RfjLjY5y8aMtvtsL3FJiVypIFmn4JedVVi3IFvdeGrKIYHHKsMGuG2tRX8N2l79TUIzPAQW/09pQKW0WaFSPS4zM/Ck5hwmk+X/WCocUhb/+ArGC1k29NUth+iUb7m1ShOJKJydvyb5+IvsYwCIydE+GDQveeVDtQo6kq9NQB7U= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <20071104043724.C08CB3BEF8@arsenic.violacea.com> References: <20071104043724.C08CB3BEF8@arsenic.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: FlyLoops and electronic instruments Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2007 16:52:49 +0100 To: Loopers X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/75995 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2007 15:52:55 +0000 (UTC) On 4 nov 2007, at 05.37, Aaron Leese wrote: >> Except that back then I called it "latching" ..... this is ideal =20 >> for a >> phrase that comes in on ... say ... the third beat of a 4/4 =20 >> measure ... but >> repeats every 8 measures .... you only want it to cut in/out on =20 >> the 3rd beat >> ... but you want it to be as long as the master (or 2,3,4 .. times =20= >> as long). >> >> For me this one is a big deal because a lot of jazz tunes have =20 >> melodies >> beginning on a downbeat other that the 1st ... and you want to be =20 >> able to >> move seamlessly from playing that melody to not .... but without =20 >> trailing >> notes ....... >> >> Make sense? > Definitely! That's a very good functionality for splitting parts =20 (that should sync musically but start at different points) over many =20 parallel loops and using a "lead in" before the first downbeat of the =20= master loop. You can do this with Multiply on one track ( =3D one loop) in Mobius, =20= and the EDP, by Cycle or SubCycle (Mobius only) as the quantize value =20= for setting the point where you go in and out of Multiply Mode. > >>> GROUP LOOPING: >>> Can mobius specify which audio stream to record by device .. =20 >>> such as, when receiving a certain command ... I record only the =20 >>> left audio source (which happens to be, say, the drums) ... I =20 >>> sync it according to the sync setting >> >> Yes. By scripting almost every command or function in Mobius can be >> combined in any way. If running Mobius VST you just have to assign >> the different inputs of the laptops audio interface to different >> Mobius track inputs. Routings can be set to change on given MIDI >> event inputs. Personally I do this in Plogue Bidule, which is my >> preferred VST host application. >> > > Hmmm .... surprising, then, that we haven't seen more true group =20 > looping > experiments .... and let me be very clear ... I do NOT mean two or =20 > more > people were one lays down a loop and others try to follow ..... I =20 > mean an > environment were more than one person lay down loops that are =20 > synced with > one another .... certainly mobius is capable of that ..... do you =20 > have any > examples of it ??? It's obvious what you mean by "Group Looping". I have not done that =20 with Mobius myself, but another Swedish duo http://petfred.se/ is =20 doing this with Mobius (i.e. two players manipulate their own =20 dedicated tracks of one Mobius instance in a way similar to running =20 one looper each in sync). I did this kind of group looping in 2003 with Rick Walker and =20 Matthias Grob when we were all three of us using Echoplexes and =20 connecting them for "Brother Sync". EDP Brother Sync do not divide =20 the players into Master vs Slave but rather simply creates a global =20 time base as soon as one of the BrotherSynced players creates a first =20= loop. Other players can then use different settings of "8ths Per =20 Cycle" to decide on what syncing resolution they want to jam under. =20 Each connected EDP may still be running at a unique BPM, although it =20 has to relate in some way to the global time base. This means each =20 individual user can run a MIDI Clock Sync output from his local EDP =20 to give a tempo for his own local rig of slaved MIDI devices. It also =20= means that one user may, at any point during the jam, multiply or =20 divide the tempo for his local MIDI Clock synced devices by, for =20 example, changing his EDP's setting from "8ths Per Cycle =3D 16" to =20 "8ths Per Cycle =3D 12" (this particular example would produce a =20 "slowing up" three-based beat feel). Personally I also like to play live looping together with people that =20= are not syncing up with my rig at all. This calls for listening =20 carefully to each other and also having access to "re-trigger all =20 loops instantly" pedals and fast strategies to create a new loop of a =20= different length on-the-fly. I kind of like when two, or three (but =20 not more) loopers keep on going in and out of musical sync. It's =20 sometimes nice hearing a poly rhythm that is not detectable according =20= to musical theory. > For example ..... say ..... rick walker lays down a quick 1 measure =20= > drum > lick ... > Then per boysen lays down a 5 measure flute ostinato .... > Then Arild lays down a 10 measure bass line ... > Then they take turns jamming over it ....... What you are describing here is an EDP armed trio jamming with =20 Brother Sync (also Matthias Grob's brain child). > >>> STACK: Flyloops lets you stack on loops individually ... with >>> whatever >>> decay you wish ... I imagine mobius is the same. >> >> I'm afraid I don't understand what you mean by "stack on loops >> individually"? >> > > I'm not sure, but I think we are mis-communicating here .... > Here is what I mean: Three loops on different tracks ..... > > Tracks: 1 2 3 4 5 > Loops: A A(s) - A - > > So there are three recorded loops on three separate tracks, playing in > parallel .. but one is stacking (overdubbing ... with a decay rate) =20= > on just > one of them (track 2, maybe ... hence the "s" above) ..... leaving =20 > the other > untouched. So one and three play as usual .... 2 stacks with a =20 > decay rate. > > If you are unclear on this ... please listen to that recording I =20 > posted a > few days ago .... I make heavy use of this technique. Ok, I see what you mean now. Yes, I do that very much with Mobius (as =20= I did in the past when I was using multiple synced hardware loopers). Here's one quick example of how I use this in Mobius, combined with =20 some other features: I'm using three parallel loops (track 1, 2, 3). The three loops are =20 of different lengths in a musically pleasant way (according to my =20 tastes, others might disagree...) like for example 100%, 75% and =20 125%. I have one track selected, which means every command I give =20 affects this loop. The other two loops I have "Grouped" (or "Focus =20 Locked" as it's also called in Mobius); with my preferred Mobius =20 setup this means that only four commands will affect these two tracks: - SUS Substitute (substituting old audio with new for a quantized =20 slice of the loop). - Next Loop, Previous Loop - Go directly to any loop (I always use maximum 5 loops per track). - Rate Shift (used to play "chord changes" melodies over loops) So If I press the SUS Substitute button for a long time I will put =20 new audio into all three loops. If I press the SUS Substitute button =20 for just a "quick dot" I will replace a short slice of audio in all =20 three loops; and since they are not of the same length this simple =20 action will result in a rhythm as the three loops will play back that =20= slice at different points in time. I can also use the Rate Shift =20 buttons (set up as a Moog Bass Pedals) to play "chord changes" with =20 the three loops; sometimes when I do that I need to realign them =20 afterwards to get back into the preferred poly rhythmic interplay. =20 The "Moog Bass Pedals" FCB1010 set-up is not quantized in Mobius, so =20 sometimes I mess up the sync timing between the loops; to prevent =20 "too lousy beats" I have added a "Realign All Loops" command to the =20 command I use to bring the pitch back to the tonica (Rate Shift =3D 0) >>> CONSOLIDATE: consolidate loops ... select three and make them one. >>> I don=92t know if mobius does this .... ? >> >> Yes it does. See "Bounce" in the manual. The Bounce function works >> perfectly, except for the fact that it does change the global tempo >> base for the looping session. > > Why would it change the global tempo for this ??? I think I don't > understand ........ Because the tempo/timing base in Mobius is "8ths Per Cycle". One =20 "Cycle" is the length of the first loops you record. Then you can =20 make the loop longer by multiplying it, but the original cycle length =20= is still the same. If you are using Cycle as the quantize setting for =20= changing loop (as in "Next Loop") it's important that the original =20 cycle length is kept the same all through the performance session. =20 This is where the recent implementation of Bounce fails in Mobius. >>> SAVING: >>> it records to two files ... one which is live input (The solos >>> being played) >>> the other is flyloops output .. the loops (after volume, etc. >>> adjustments). >> >> Whoops... what about if you want to record parallel loops as parallel >> audio files? I mean, you may want to mix the session properly in a =20= >> DAW. >> > > Yes... it does that too ... I call that "save loops" instead of "save > session". Usually its good to do both ... then you end up with a =20 > number of > small loop wav files ..... plus a longer live recording of what the =20= > looper > itself was playing at any given time .... plus a recording of what the > musician(s) was/were playing at any given time .... > > Make sense? This way you have a lot of versatility when editing .... Yes, this makes perfectly sense to me! I have actually plans to set =20 that up with Bidule (with a "Record stream to audio file" Bidule =20 object on each Mobius Track output), but my recent looping laptop is =20 not powerful enough to handle it (1 core 2 GHz Intel Centrino). So at =20= the moment I'm piping each track digitally over ADAT into Logic on =20 another computer to record the session in real-time. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 4 18:43:54 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 958443BED8; Sun, 4 Nov 2007 18:43:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: References: <20071104043724.C08CB3BEF8@arsenic.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <36CDAA4F-55FB-4430-84F3-F42F7DC59B9E@zonemobius.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Jeffrey Larson Subject: Re: FlyLoops and electronic instruments Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2007 12:42:26 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - esc25.midphase.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - zonemobius.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/75996 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2007 18:43:54 +0000 (UTC) Per has already responded well to several points, I'll just add a few things. > I know mobius can handle multiple loops in parallel, as can flyloops ... and > I think the approaches we use are somewhat similar ... From what I have read, it appears that Flyloops is designed more for "arrangement" looping in the vein of Ableton Live but with what is commonly called "first loop capability". You record fragments of an arrangement and then combine them in various ways, maybe soloing over the top. Mobius is designed more for "evolving improvisational" loops that are recorded then modified over time with functions like overdub, insert, multiply, trim, replace, shuffle, and most important a feedback control that lets the loop layers decay gradually while you overdub. What Flyloops calls "loops" is what Mobius calls "tracks". What Flyloops calls "A->B" is what Mobius calls "loops" with the LoopCount parameter limited to 2. Flyloops doesn't appear to have the concept of what Mobius calls "layers", an infinite history of the evolution of the loop that you can move around in with the Undo and Redo functions. To draw a hardware comparison, Mobius is obviously closest to multiple synchronized EDPs where Flyloops is closest to the Looperlative. > - full sync - meaning start/stop recording only at the masters loop boundary > .. so all loops start/stop with the master, and are a multiple of the master > loops length This is what Mobius calls "Track Sync". The recording of one track can start and end at a certain location in the master track. This is often the master track start point, but it can also be a subdivision of the master track (cycles and subcycles). > - partial sync - start recording whenever I tap in, but when I tap out .. > wait until the loop is some multiple of the masters length ... so all loops > are a multiple of the length ... but will start/stop only at a particular > offset to the master. If I understand correctly, this is closest to what Mobius would call a Time Copy to get an empty loop in sync with the master, followed by an Overdub or Multiply to begin recording into the empty loop at the current offset. To do this in Mobius with one switch press you would have to write a script. > TEMPO/PITCH SHIFT: > I haven't programmed this yet... so currently there is no tempo or pitch > shifting There are two fundamental concepts here. One is "rate shift" which is a change in playback rate similar to a variable speed control on a tape deck or turntable. This changes the tempo and pitch at the same time. The other is "pitch shift" which involves complex DSP algorithms to change the perceived pitch without changing the tempo. The two can be combined to get "time stretch" which is a change in tempo that does not change the pitch. Time stretch is one of the holy grails of looping but it is difficult to do because the algorithms that sound best require too much CPU to be done in real time on an average PC. The ones that can be done in real time don't sound as good. It is a tradeoff and doing it well requires a fairly detailed knowledge of DSP algorithms like FFTs and filters. One of the better implementations is found in Ableleton Live. The recently announced Virtual Repeater will probably do this well. Rate shift and time stretch also cause enormous complications if you are trying to support external synchronization with a MIDI clock or a VST host. > TAP TEMPO: > Mobius does this ... Flyloops will, once pitch/tempo shift is complete. Mobius does not support tap tempo in the sense that you can record a loop, then tap two switches to change the tempo of the loop without changing pitch. > And .... you could set up an external > source to trigger the rec button ... so sync that way .... but you could NOT > track to an external drum machine as you changed tempo for example. Syncing to a drum machine is more complicated than automating the record button even if you are not changing the tempo. Since the two devices are not driven from the same clock they will eventually drift apart. Doing this properly requires the looper to continually monitor the MIDI clock stream and make periodic adjustments when it notices a drift. > VST: > flyloopscannot run as a VST (yet). Some friendly advice...you will have far more commercial interest if you provide VST support rather than Rewire support. Rewire is not nearly as flexible as VST for the user. But I am interested in knowing if Propellerhead grants you a license. I gave up on that awhile ago because of their policy of not granting licenses to "individuals". You have to convince them you are a "company" though they don't define exactly what that means. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 4 18:56:55 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0B9FB3BF50; Sun, 4 Nov 2007 18:56:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; bh=R1GhRv38YF+JtxnIcKzazSdT0P2+jqG0/zQ7hPjr3xU=; b=J/RW8u4ICTLUrj8D/4l8F8uL0B4+QzJzWcQ6KCISxwTCD293wR9eOhcJKx3zPMoNMGZjwUVbUTchHrfk3TMUTDyJ0ze7xC+0wcGesZZQtPvhutuY1ee9CYbhJbDO40e4EdatzKLSOtqiXXKxElwc1Ub9sSkrVD/nTrXPZldixtY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=M0fEjddBcyBcidIau27g/qP4djCTMQhW6jruRMf0/fk6Nrek9gAd1JqB0WcKl+bKV0ItTqnf9jW1fSfH4G/J2EoseAHvEaBZ3dHRtwgjVRuyD7NbDbLwn6wzWC3j+vFFhh8cCXW+36nwcUZYi+2N3EOOCgFfhKRjCUlYUROWT5w= Message-ID: <4759e5740711041056r7c04a3bfw15a176e8b1650b38@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2007 13:56:53 -0500 From: "todd reynolds" Reply-To: todd@toddreynolds.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Steve Reich in Paris and other Concerts in France as well MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_18059_8056964.1194202613082" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/75997 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2007 18:56:55 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_18059_8056964.1194202613082 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Hey all, a quick note to all of our European members... I'll be in France for the next two weeks with Steve Reich, touring The Cave= , his opera from the 90's, as well as playing one concert of Sextet, Drumming and Different Trains, so... If anyone is near, I'd love to meet you, If anyone is interested in coming to any of the concerts, please do let me know so that I could extend as much hospitality to you as possible in the way of comps. As the ensemble does not tour Europe nearly as much as it used to, and as someone who has been with Steve for the last 17 years, I can at least offer that the ensemble itself plays this music with a tremendous amount of heart and passion, and from most points of view is worth a visit. And for purely selfish reasons, I'd love to meet anyone from our community who I can, as I haven't been able to make it to one loopfest, and I don't know you all personally yet. Best way to reach me over there is todd@toddreynolds.com with warmth and smiles. Todd =3D=3D=3D=3D Here is the schedule as I understand it... *Thursday 8 November *20.00 THE CAVE (1) Theatre de Caen All *Saturday 10 November* 20.30 THE CAVE (2) Le Volcan, Le Havre All *Sunday 11 November* 7.00 CLAPPING MUSIC, DRUMMING Pt 1, SEXTET, Le Volcan, Le Havre MUSIC FOR PIECES OF WOOD, DIFFERENT TRAINS *Tuesday 13 November* 20.00 THE CAVE (3) Cit=E9 de la Musique, Paris All *Wednesday 14 November* 20.00 THE CAVE (4) Cit=E9 de la Musique, Paris All --=20 http://www.toddreynolds.com |: http://myspace.com/toddreynoldsmusic |: ------------------------------------------------------|: 917.576.6166 todd@toddreynolds.com toddreyn@gmail.com ------=_Part_18059_8056964.1194202613082 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Hey all, 

         
        a quick note to all of our European= members...

         
        I'll be in France for the ne= xt two weeks with Steve Reich, touring The Cave, his opera from the 90'= s, as well as playing one concert of Sextet, Drumming and Different Trains,= so...

         
        If anyone is near, I'd love to meet you= , 

         
        If anyone is interested in coming to= any of the concerts, please do let me know so that I could extend as much = hospitality to you as possible in the way of comps.

        As the ensembl= e does not tour Europe nearly as much as it used to, and as someone who has= been with Steve for the last 17 years, I can at least offer that the ensem= ble itself plays this music with a tremendous amount of heart and passion, = and from most points of view is worth a visit.

        And for purely= selfish reasons, I'd love to meet anyone from our community who I can,= as I haven't been able to make it to one loopfest, and I don't kno= w you all personally yet.

        Best way to re= ach me over there is todd@toddreyn= olds.com

        wi= th warmth and smiles.

        Todd

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        Thursday 8 November&= nbsp; 20.00  THE CAVE (1)

        Theatre de Caen    All  

        Saturday 10 Nove= mber 20.30  THE CAVE (2)

        Le Volcan, Le Havre    All 

              Sunday 11 November  7.00  CLAPPING MUSIC, DRUMMI= NG Pt 1, SEXTET,

                    Le Volcan, Le Havre  MUSIC FOR PIECES OF WOO= D, DIFFERENT TRAINS

        Tue= sday 13 November  20.00  THE CAVE (3)

        = Cit=E9 de la Musique, Paris  &nbs= p;All 

        Wednesday 14 November 20.00  THE CAVE (4)

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        ------=_Part_18059_8056964.1194202613082-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 4 19:26:12 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B41C43BECF; Sun, 4 Nov 2007 19:26:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Cloudmark-Score: 0.000000 [] Message-ID: <003201c81f18$9291e450$4001a8c0@mini> From: "Claude Voit" To: References: <4759e5740711041056r7c04a3bfw15a176e8b1650b38@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: Steve Reich in Paris and other Concerts in France as well Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2007 20:26:17 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/75998 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2007 19:26:12 +0000 (UTC) wow different trains from chi-cago to New-york one of the fa-stest train...... one of the most moving work of Steve Reich Have a nice trip Claude ----- Original Message ----- From: "todd reynolds" To: Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2007 7:56 PM Subject: Steve Reich in Paris and other Concerts in France as well Hey all, a quick note to all of our European members... I'll be in France for the next two weeks with Steve Reich, touring The Cave, his opera from the 90's, as well as playing one concert of Sextet, Drumming and Different Trains, so... If anyone is near, I'd love to meet you, If anyone is interested in coming to any of the concerts, please do let me know so that I could extend as much hospitality to you as possible in the way of comps. As the ensemble does not tour Europe nearly as much as it used to, and as someone who has been with Steve for the last 17 years, I can at least offer that the ensemble itself plays this music with a tremendous amount of heart and passion, and from most points of view is worth a visit. And for purely selfish reasons, I'd love to meet anyone from our community who I can, as I haven't been able to make it to one loopfest, and I don't know you all personally yet. Best way to reach me over there is todd@toddreynolds.com with warmth and smiles. Todd ==== Here is the schedule as I understand it... *Thursday 8 November *20.00 THE CAVE (1) Theatre de Caen All *Saturday 10 November* 20.30 THE CAVE (2) Le Volcan, Le Havre All *Sunday 11 November* 7.00 CLAPPING MUSIC, DRUMMING Pt 1, SEXTET, Le Volcan, Le Havre MUSIC FOR PIECES OF WOOD, DIFFERENT TRAINS *Tuesday 13 November* 20.00 THE CAVE (3) Cité de la Musique, Paris All *Wednesday 14 November* 20.00 THE CAVE (4) Cité de la Musique, Paris All -- http://www.toddreynolds.com |: http://myspace.com/toddreynoldsmusic |: ------------------------------------------------------|: 917.576.6166 todd@toddreynolds.com toddreyn@gmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 4 19:50:23 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4B1C13BF17; Sun, 4 Nov 2007 19:50:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "Aaron Leese" To: Subject: RE: FlyLoops and electronic instruments Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2007 11:50:10 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1250" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 In-Reply-To: <36CDAA4F-55FB-4430-84F3-F42F7DC59B9E@zonemobius.com> Thread-Index: AcgfEqsR4EOOy2ixTMG57L4XpLLsAwABWa0g X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Message-Id: <20071104195022.C30503BECF@arsenic.violacea.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/75999 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2007 19:50:23 +0000 (UTC) Jeff / Per First of all ... thank you both very much for the elucidation on all of this ... I really enjoy getting to understand the various approaches that different loopers / looping technologies take .... I think we have come very close to understanding the differences between flyloops and mobius ... there are just a couple things left that I wonder about. :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: >..... Mobius is designed more for "evolving improvisational" loops that are >recorded then modified over time with functions like overdub, insert, >multiply, trim, replace, shuffle, and most important a feedback >control that lets the loop layers decay gradually while you overdub. Perhaps ... though the feedback control on an individual track while overdubbing is very key with flyloops also .... this is what I have been calling stacking on an individual loop with a decay rate. So in that sense they are similar .... But there is a huge difference here: >What Flyloops calls "loops" is what Mobius calls "tracks". >What Flyloops calls "A->B" is what Mobius calls "loops" with >the LoopCount parameter limited to 2. This is correct .... we have thought about adding more than just the two banks .... but so far have nixed that in favor of other operations. I should mention serial loops again here .... which play in serial to either the A or B banks of parallel loops and allow for nice segways ... but this is very different than having multiple banks of loops in parallel. >Flyloops doesn't appear to have the concept of what Mobius calls >"layers", an infinite history of the evolution of the loop that >you can move around in with the Undo and Redo functions. This is true ... when stacking (overdubbing) with flyloops, you have no recourse once it has been done ... no undo/redo. This is something we have thought about adding too ... but have no yet done so, figuring that the user can always record a parallel loop instead and turn it on/off ..... and get the same effect as stacking then undoing/redoing .... and then you can choose to consolidate the loops if you like the finished sound (to conserve space). Of course, it is nice to have a linear history too in some ways. One other thing that flyloops does not do ... which I was actually unaware of until this thread ... is the subcycles. I usually work with short enough loops that I hadn't though about allowing trigger points at the 1/2, 1/3 etc. points of the master loop. I just record a shorter master loop to begin with. This is something I should probably think about supporting .... if that doesn't bother you. > Time stretch is one of the holy grails of looping but it is difficult >to do because the algorithms that sound best require too much CPU to >be done in real time on an average PC. The ones that can be done in >real time don't sound as good. It is a tradeoff and doing it well >requires a fairly detailed knowledge of DSP algorithms like FFTs and >filters. One of the better implementations is found in Ableleton >Live. The recently announced Virtual Repeater will probably do this >well. Yeah, I know it ..... I've implemented the frequency shift before ... but of course, would love to vary tempo and pitch separately. Have you seen the REX2 standard by propellerhead ..... it's an audio format that they claim allows flawless real time pitch/tempo shifting ... this is one of the other things I am asking for the license for. There is also: Soundtouch ... which if I remember right, is what mobius uses .... And http://www.fftw.org/ Who also claim to support real time pitch shifting .... Do you have experience with either of these? >Rate shift and time stretch also cause enormous complications >if you are trying to support external synchronization with a MIDI >clock or a VST host. >Syncing to a drum machine is more complicated than automating the >record button even if you are not changing the tempo. Right, and quite honestly .. I am not planning on supporting syncing to external clocks for those reasons. >...you will have far more commercial interest if >you provide VST support rather than Rewire support. Rewire is not >nearly as flexible as VST for the user. How so? I figured that supporting ReWire essentially allowed people to use VSTs ... since you could use Rewire to connect to a VST Host. Of course, this is not the same as running flyloops as a VST instrument itself ..... which might be worthwhile. I don't personally use VSTs very much (just with Reason, using Reason as a sampler ..) .... so any information here would be very helpful. Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.487 / Virus Database: 0.0.0/0 - Release Date: 12:00 AM From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 4 20:09:48 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AEBDD3BF02; Sun, 4 Nov 2007 20:09:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Sun, 04 Nov 2007 15:03:12 -0400 From: "Emile Tobenfeld (a.k.a Dr. T)" Subject: Video Performance, 119 Gallery, Lowell MA, 11.09.07 and upcoming. To: DrTVideo@egroups.com Cc: eyecandy@egroups.com, boss-improv@topica.com, iotacenter@egroups.com, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, atari-midi@yahoogroups.com, FRAMEWORKS@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76000 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2007 20:09:48 +0000 (UTC) Hi folks, I'll be performing video improvisations with some=20 old and new friends at 119 Gallery in Lowell. Nov 9 @119 Gallery, 8:30 PM Improvisations -- Doctor T with the Impromptu 3 Doctor T -- Video Mixing Michael Bloom -- Table Guitar and Bass Eric Crawley -- Keyboards and electronic percussion. Karen Langlie Augmented cello. $5 donation. 119 Gallery, 119 Chelmsford St, Lowell 978 452 8138 http://www.119gallery.org/ Note show is listed as Immersions on the 119 web site. Hope you can make it. I'll be performing again at 119 on Dec 1 with an=20 truly excellent jazz band -- I'm very excited to=20 have a chance to work with this band. DANIEL LEVIN=92S BLACK BEAR Daniel Levin - cello http://daniel-levin.com/ Rob Brown - alto sax http://robbrownmusic.com/ Gary Fieldman - drums http://garyfieldman.com/ -- " Practice makes perfect, imperfect is better." -- Paul Bley Emile Tobenfeld, Ph. D. Video Producer Image Processing Specialist Video for your HEAD! Boris FX http://www.foryourhead.com http://www.borisfx.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 4 21:12:10 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 91C5A3BEF9; Sun, 4 Nov 2007 21:12:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com In-Reply-To: <20071104195022.C30503BECF@arsenic.violacea.com> References: <20071104195022.C30503BECF@arsenic.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <3C85DDDF-B360-471F-8CC7-EE37CCD4C7AF@zonemobius.com> Cc: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Jeffrey Larson Subject: Re: FlyLoops and electronic instruments Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2007 15:10:44 -0600 To: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - esc25.midphase.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - zonemobius.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: <0te14.A.SAF.qWjLHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76001 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2007 21:12:10 +0000 (UTC) > I should mention serial loops again here .... which play in serial to either > the A or B banks of parallel loops and allow for nice segways ... but this > is very different than having multiple banks of loops in parallel. This is the sort of "track management" that Mobius scripts are used for. Toggling between sets of tracks, muting the current tracks and letting another run for 4 bars then returning, throwing tracks 1,2,4 into reverse and 3,5,7 into half speed, etc. Basically any imaginable sequence of pre-recorded tracks can be scripted. Since track management is a fairly random user preference that may change from song to song I tend to leave those things for scripts. Sometimes I will convert things people have scripted into built-in functions, especially if there are UI advantages. But there are just too may combinations of things people want do to build everything in. This is however one of the reasons Mobius is considered "difficult" by some. It is very flexible, but you have to get deeply into it to accomplish some things. > This is true ... when stacking (overdubbing) with flyloops, you have no > recourse once it has been done ... no undo/redo. This is something we have > thought about adding too ... but have no yet done so, figuring that the user > can always record a parallel loop instead and turn it on/off Yes, this is the same approach the Looperlative took initially though I believe Bob added a one layer undo after many people requested it. Once you get used to EDP-style infinite layer undo it is hard to give that up, though obviously many people do. The trick is designing the UI so that bouncing between the tracks can be done seamlessly without a lot of thought or footswitch presses. > There is also: > Soundtouch ... which if I remember right, is what mobius uses .... Yes. It is okay though I don't find the pitch shifting very satisfying. It also adds a large amount of latency that you have to compensate for, but they all do. Another annoyance is that changing the pitch creates a discontinuity in the audio stream which will sound like a click. So I had to do a lot of work to make sure that the edges on either side of the shift are cross faded. > And http://www.fftw.org/ > Who also claim to support real time pitch shifting .... I didn't spend much time with this because it is GPL and you have to buy a commercial license. This would seriously cut into my profit margin :-) > Rewire is not nearly as flexible as VST for the user. > > How so? I figured that supporting ReWire essentially allowed people to use > VSTs ... since you could use Rewire to connect to a VST Host. The flexibility comes from having the looper be a VST that you can then surround with other VSTs in a modular host like Bidule or Max. Rewire is also not as universally supported as VST though most of the major commercial products have it. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 4 22:59:25 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 03EB03BEF4; Sun, 4 Nov 2007 22:59:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <20071104195022.C30503BECF@arsenic.violacea.com> References: <20071104195022.C30503BECF@arsenic.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Jeffrey Larson Subject: Re: FlyLoops and electronic instruments Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2007 16:57:56 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - esc25.midphase.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - zonemobius.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76002 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2007 22:59:24 +0000 (UTC) > I should mention serial loops again here .... which play in serial to either > the A or B banks of parallel loops and allow for nice segways ... but this > is very different than having multiple banks of loops in parallel. This is the sort of "track management" that Mobius scripts are used for. Toggling between sets of tracks, muting the current tracks and letting another run for 4 bars then returning, throwing tracks 1,2,4 into reverse and 3,5,7 into half speed, etc. Basically any imaginable sequence of pre-recorded tracks can be scripted. Since track management is a fairly random user preference that may change from song to song I tend to leave those things for scripts. Sometimes I will convert things people have scripted into built-in functions, especially if there are UI advantages. But there are just too may combinations of things people want do to build everything in. This is however one of the reasons Mobius is considered "difficult" by some. It is very flexible, but you have to get deeply into it to accomplish some things. > This is true ... when stacking (overdubbing) with flyloops, you have no > recourse once it has been done ... no undo/redo. This is something we have > thought about adding too ... but have no yet done so, figuring that the user > can always record a parallel loop instead and turn it on/off Yes, this is the same approach the Looperlative took initially though I believe Bob added a one layer undo after many people requested it. Once you get used to EDP-style infinite layer undo it is hard to give that up, though obviously many people do. The trick is designing the UI so that bouncing between the tracks can be done seamlessly without a lot of thought or footswitch presses. > There is also: > Soundtouch ... which if I remember right, is what mobius uses .... Yes. It is okay though I don't find the pitch shifting very satisfying. It also adds a large amount of latency that you have to compensate for, but they all do. Another annoyance is that changing the pitch creates a discontinuity in the audio stream which will sound like a click. So I had to do a lot of work to make sure that the edges on either side of the shift are cross faded. > And http://www.fftw.org/ > Who also claim to support real time pitch shifting .... I didn't spend much time with this because it is GPL and you have to buy a commercial license. This would seriously cut into my profit margin :-) > Rewire is not nearly as flexible as VST for the user. > > How so? I figured that supporting ReWire essentially allowed people to use > VSTs ... since you could use Rewire to connect to a VST Host. The flexibility comes from having the looper be a VST that you can then surround with other VSTs in a modular host like Bidule or Max. Rewire is also not as universally supported as VST though most of the major commercial products have it. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 5 01:51:06 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F377C3BEEE; Mon, 5 Nov 2007 01:51:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 513 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Mon, 05 Nov 2007 01:51:05 UTC Message-ID: <000801c81f4d$229b11f0$6b01a8c0@music> From: "Jim Amsden" To: Subject: Questions about Digitech Jamman start and stop loop recording Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2007 20:42:32 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0005_01C81F23.39823490" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76003 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2007 01:51:05 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C81F23.39823490 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable One of the more difficult problems with looping live is getting the loop = to start and stop at the right place. Trying to do this raw by pressing = the Record switch to start and stop has to be done very carefully to = avoid a glitch in the sound if the start, stop, or both aren't aligned = to the beat precisely. The Jamman seems to solve half the problem, but not the whole. You can = tap a tempo before recording, then press the Record switch one measure = before you actually want to record. Recording will then start = automatically on the beat after a 1 measure lead-in. I found this pretty tricky to do in practice. You really have to know = where the 1 is in the beat because when you press the Record switch, the = Jamman starts on the 1 regardless of where it was in the previous = measure. If you press somewhere in the middle of that measure, the = Jamman will restart the 1 at that point and throw off the beat. But the worse problem is at the end. There's no corresponding lead out. = So you have to carefully press the Record switch at the exact point = where the loop should stop recording and start the playback loop. If = you're off a little, then there's be a glitch between the start and end = of the loop and the timing could be off a little. One other thing that makes this even a little more difficult is setting = the beat while you're playing. You can tap the Stop switch to set the = beat. It takes at least two taps. The odd thing is that its the second = tap that establishes the 1, not the first. So you have to do the first = tap on the 4 in 4/4 time in order to get the red flash on the 1. You can = keep tapping to adjust the tempo faster or slower, but the 1 beat has = been established. One simple trick I found if you get the beat wrong. Just switch to = another loop patch and switch back. That will erase the tempo and stop = the rhythm track. I have heard of other units that did a little more for synchronization. = For example. Boss RC-2 has loop quantization. To start recording, you = just press the switch anywhere in the measure and recording starts at = the beginning of the next measure. At the end of the loop, you press the = switch again anywhere in the last measure and recording stops = automatically at the end of that measure. You still have to know where 1 = is though. This really seems a lot easier.=20 Am I using the Jamman correctly, or does it simply not have this = quantize feature, only a one-measure count-in and you have to be precise = on setting the loop end? Anyone found any good, simple tricks to get = reliable loops? Just got my today and am finding its going to take some = parctice to use this live. ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C81F23.39823490 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
        One of the more difficult problems with = looping=20 live is getting the loop to start and stop at the right place. Trying to = do this=20 raw by pressing the Record switch to start and stop has to be done very=20 carefully to avoid a glitch in the sound if the start, stop, or both = aren't=20 aligned to the beat precisely.
         
        The Jamman seems to solve half the = problem, but not=20 the whole. You can tap a tempo before recording, then press the Record = switch=20 one measure before you actually want to record. Recording will then = start=20 automatically on the beat after a 1 measure lead-in.
         
        I found this pretty tricky to do in = practice. You=20 really have to know where the 1 is in the beat because when you press = the Record=20 switch, the Jamman starts on the 1 regardless of where it was in the = previous=20 measure. If you press somewhere in the middle of that measure, the = Jamman will=20 restart the 1 at that point and throw off the beat.
         
        But the worse problem is at the end. = There's no=20 corresponding lead out. So you have to carefully press the Record switch = at the=20 exact point where the loop should stop recording and start the playback = loop. If=20 you're off a little, then there's be a glitch between the start and end = of the=20 loop and the timing could be off a little.
         
        One other thing that makes this even a = little more=20 difficult is setting the beat while you're playing. You can tap the Stop = switch=20 to set the beat. It takes at least two taps. The odd thing is that its = the=20 second tap that establishes the 1, not the first. So you have to do the = first=20 tap on the 4 in 4/4 time in order to get the red flash on the 1. You can = keep=20 tapping to adjust the tempo faster or slower, but the 1 beat has been=20 established.
         
        One simple trick I found if you get the = beat wrong.=20 Just switch to another loop patch and switch back. That will erase the = tempo and=20 stop the rhythm track.
         
        I have heard of other units that did a = little more=20 for synchronization. For example. Boss RC-2 has loop = quantization. To=20 start recording, you just press the switch anywhere in the measure and = recording=20 starts at the beginning of the next measure. At the end of the loop, you = press=20 the switch again anywhere in the last measure and recording stops = automatically=20 at the end of that measure. You still have to know where 1 is though. = This=20 really seems a lot easier.
         
        Am I using the Jamman correctly, or = does it simply=20 not have this quantize feature, only a one-measure count-in and you have = to be=20 precise on setting the loop end? Anyone found any good, simple tricks to = get=20 reliable loops? Just got my today and am finding its going to take some = parctice=20 to use this live.
         
        ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C81F23.39823490-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 5 03:22:11 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DAA3B3BF08; Mon, 5 Nov 2007 03:22:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: References: <20071104043724.C08CB3BEF8@arsenic.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Jeffrey Larson Subject: Re: FlyLoops and electronic instruments Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2007 21:02:40 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - esc25.midphase.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - zonemobius.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76004 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2007 03:22:11 +0000 (UTC) > but of course, would love to vary tempo and pitch separately. Have you > seen the REX2 standard by propellerhead ..... it's an audio format that > they claim allows flawless real time pitch/tempo shifting REX2 is a file format for storing "beat sliced" loops. It has nothing to do with pitch shifting. Beat sliced loops can be played back with special software to achieve a form of time stretch, changing the tempo without changing the pitch. Basically loops are cut up into multiple "slices", typically with a slice for each beat or fraction of a beat. To change the tempo, the playback software shifts each slice closer together (to speed up) or farther apart (to slow down). This works well for percussive loops with obvious beats and slices carefully designed so they don't cut off sustained notes. It doesn't work well for non-percussive loops such as a legato horn line. REX2 is just a file format, it doesn't actually do anything. You would have to write custom software to read the file and playback the slices according to the desired tempo. Creating new beat sliced loops is usually not a real-time process. You load a sample into some kind of slice editor (like ReCycle). Usually there is a way to have it automatically determine slices based on amplitude spikes in the wave form (the beats). Then you can fine tune it manually by dragging the slice markers or drawing new ones. It can take some time to craft a sliced loop that expands and contracts in a musically pleasing way. REX2 is really only interesting for two things: 1) products that want to play back pre-recorded loops from the vast sea of sample disks and 2) loop designers that want to create content for a loop file player that supports REX2. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 5 04:22:50 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7C7C23BF0C; Mon, 5 Nov 2007 04:22:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Sun, 04 Nov 2007 23:22:46 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: paul Subject: RE: Graphtech installation was AXON AX 100 In-Reply-To: <641CEFFC7E5B6C42AB59539653FD08238E2E8A@wcu-ex-emp2.PASSHE. LCL> References: <20071101142958.js0fbex1ds0ccgcc@www.wightman.ca> <641CEFFC7E5B6C42AB59539653FD08238E2E8A@wcu-ex-emp2.PASSHE.LCL> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Message-Id: <20071105042245.E503714DDC@ns4.tnt21.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76005 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2007 04:22:50 +0000 (UTC) Hi Hal, Personally, I haven't experienced any trouble with connections coming loose. all plugins seem tight and not much chance of working loose, of course I'm not a jumping around sort of player; I mean, anything will come apart if it's abused......... I do agree with your assessment of the tone sucking qualities. I'm running the 13 pin into a vg8-ex which does allow for continuing the direct signal from the guitar but I do find that the tonal qualities by running my direct line from the 1/4" on the guitar to quite a bit better. On the new guitar with the fanned frets you'll notice that I haven't included a mag pickup at all. So my direct signal sounds very acoustic and I'm very happy with the sound of that. For my more electric sounds, I find the vg8 has some excellent electric sounds, and you can play with the shape of those sounds quite extensively. For some more discussion of the graphtech pickup you might do a search for Adrian Legg. He's an incredible British fingerstyle guitarist who uses a solid body guitar with the graphtech ghost pickup driving the roland vg88. Regards, Paul Haslem www.dulcify.ca At 07:39 AM 11/2/2007, you wrote: >Paul, I've seen discussions on the midiguitar forum to the effect that >the Graphtech connection are (or maybe WERE) tenuous, and that hotgluing >them was in order so that they didn't come loose while you're playing in >a less than genteel manner. Could you comment on that? > >Also, I'm interested in how you have signal leaving the guitar. The >wiring can be done so that mag pickups signal, piezo signal, and the >output from the hexpander module all ride on the 13-pin cable... but >that seems likely to be a tonesucker to me, and is an issue that Richard >McClish alerted me to via a discussion with John Buscarino, a luthier >who made Richard's guitar. I'm inclined to keep the 13-pin cable >restricted to the hexpander output and leave the pickups signals >traveling on either a Y-cable, or separately on 1/4" cables. Your >thoughts on this would be most welcome. > >Hal Dean From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 5 04:38:01 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D0DCC3BF15; Mon, 5 Nov 2007 04:38:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20071104195022.C30503BECF@arsenic.violacea.com> References: <20071104195022.C30503BECF@arsenic.violacea.com> Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2007 23:37:27 -0500 To: From: Mech Subject: RE: FlyLoops and electronic instruments Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76006 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2007 04:38:01 +0000 (UTC) At 11:50 AM -0800 11/4/07, Aaron Leese wrote: > >I've implemented the frequency shift before ... Aaron, I think you've made reference to this twice now, so I'd like to get some clarification if you don't mind. IIRC, frequency shifting usually refers to transposing a signal without shifting the frequencies proportionally to each other. The term pitch shifting is used for the more musical practice of transposing those frequencies in a proportional manner. For instance, let's say that you have a sound composed of three sine frequencies at 1200, 1300, and 1400 hertz. This audio doubled in frequency using pitch shifting would result in a sound composed of 2400, 2600, and 2800 Hz -- musically, a one octave transposition upward. However, using frequency shifting, it would merely add the baseline 1200 Hz to each of the values and you'd end up with a sound composed of 2400, 2500, and 2600 Hz. While the lowest (let's assume fundamental) pitch is transposed up an octave perfectly, the other sine frequencies are actually transposed to inharmonic intervals and appear more as aliasing artifacts than true pitch elements. In the real world, merely multiply this example by ~20,000 frequencies. Pitch shifting is usually the more musically useful of the two. Because of that, frequency shifting is much less common (I can only think of a few Alesis products and some modular synth modules, right off the top of my head). Many of the results of a frequency shifter sound somewhat like a bizarre form of ring modulation [sic]. So, I'm just curious: which algorithm are you talking about possibly implementing? If you were implementing true *frequency* shifting into FlyLoops, then I'd imagine there are quite a few noise junkies out there (myself included) who'd be keenly interested, although it might alienate a few of the more traditional crowd too. :) --m. -- _____ "the wind in my heart; the dust in my head...." From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 5 04:52:49 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6ADC63BF19; Mon, 5 Nov 2007 04:52:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references:x-google-sender-auth; bh=8cWnxRr/7JV8iC73lmpt4zLnYUINVVQiKUg1lYzBKdY=; b=Jymy81gXammjloUbzdDwSzAJwK9+lvCjHlZRQhKMJQSX5hw/zVEse4VeE/K9cPtu+V26OS6PWZuL5ZZgCzTKwerQSy1pgPylNFxu6di+WPt3rBFcw9LrVIykspKUi0wvvVxI60fnDj+nI6AQIL0A6OFP+s5uyOpxyfIVf7R0D44= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=difnajfLJG1NOaS1RGNhYC/tCXHbzpPUkaC7x50xbOIN1+1VvIjPOkRT0qNIMlN7qPbyE/Ff1IqCvgEtJ77L+NRsGmbX5HL7gppBZaaDZDC+TmdtYdeGutWG80IPZ0Dnw4o+j/z+j1cmaa82cMnrZS2CLTACdUVbcNYs1Boo7jQ= Message-ID: <26ba8d120711042052s104779a2oc4afaafbd830d8bd@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2007 23:52:46 -0500 From: "Tom Ritchford" Sender: tom.ritchford@gmail.com To: Loopers-Delight Subject: Fwd: 11/5: (tonight!) Tom Swirly presents: The Illusion of Maya (mostly new acts!) In-Reply-To: <26ba8d120711042049g1ffe90efjc4c82e8ec06f4ceb@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <26ba8d120711042049g1ffe90efjc4c82e8ec06f4ceb@mail.gmail.com> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 0191f78c955efb31 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76007 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2007 04:52:49 +0000 (UTC) Hello -- just wanted to announce to looper's delight that this is now a weekly! I won't spam this list with announcements unless there is specific loopy content (aside from me) from now on.... -------------- Last week's show was the most successful show I was ever a part of. So they're bringing us back for at least another week... as long as we can keep people coming in! Look for the "Early Bird Buyback Special" below if you like free drinks. Tom Swirly presents: The Illusion of Maya: an avant-garde electronic music talk show possibly featuring Maya Sky with Tom Swirly playing himself and the Illusionary Dancers: Amy Uzi Faux Maux Valmonte Sprout "Under Maya's influence, the soul mistakenly identifies with the body" On the bill: (in alphabetic order: temporal order has yet to be worked out) Bonnie Kane Dan Jones Jeremy Weirdo Kid Lucky Puppies Hold Hands Tristan Perich/One-Bit Music(*) Volectrix (first show in 6 years!) Monday November 5 8PM sharp! open loop open electronic music jam after midnight (if there are enough people drinking to keep the bar open) At the basement under Lucky Cheng's. 24 1st Ave. between East 1st and East 2nd Streets (also known as Cave Canem). Ask for the Early Bird Buyback special. First five guests get a free drink!!! (always tip your bartender!) First ten guests get free admission!! Next ten guests pay $3! ... but only if you ask for it. Otherwise $5. (always $3 after midnight!) --------------------------------------------------------------- (My personal) notes on the performers. Maya is an illusion but might sing for you. Tom Swirly (open loop, Verge, etc) plays electronic wind instrument, sings, manipulates machines, and does various other entertaining activities. Volectrix is an electronic hip-hop a cappella duo whose last show was in Knitting Factory in 2001. Tristan Perich is the inventor, circuit maker, drummer and composer behind too many musical ventures to count. The (*) means I haven't gotten a final confirmation yet. Puppies Hold Hands has Touching You (Liquid Tapedeck, Haunted Pussy, etc) and Tom Swirly together again as an electronic rock duo for only the second time in five years. Kid Lucky is the groundbreaking beatboxer. Jeremy Weirdo is a musical peculiar and my longtime partner as the Founder and Musical Director of the band Verge. Dan Jones is really the Welsh guitar wizard. The Dan Jones last week who played the small cardboard synthesizer was a fake. We apologize for the error. Bonnie Kane is the driving saxophone force behind the various W.O.O. incarnations, World of Tomorrow, Mambo Mantis, etc. Notes on the space: It's super-fantastic for the audience and performers alike. The performance area is in the back, comfortable, nice big stage, good PA, we can hardly go wrong. There's a nice bar area in the front separated by a hall from the performance area so you can go away and chat and then come back and watch again. Mind the step on the way in!! -- /t http://ax.to ......... extreme NY arts and music calendar http://ax.to/tr ....... my secret little little... 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From: peter.leinhos@farmersinsurance.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2007 01:03:24 -0600 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on hons_100/Servers/FarmersInsurance(Release 6.5.2|June 01, 2004) at 11/05/2007 01:03:29 AM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76008 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2007 07:09:02 +0000 (UTC) I will be out of the office starting 11/04/2007 and will not return until 11/06/2007. For telecom issues contact Greg Bouffard at 323 932 3793. 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        Click here to be removed from our mailing list --Part-boundary-xxxx-1_2-- --boundary-xxxx-1-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 5 08:54:19 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 950AC3BF26; Mon, 5 Nov 2007 08:54:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=+JJmOBKHueRoOGHROrVEAPQIOedXko+sNhpEwe8Oq44=; b=VV3RqnrBENCQAZC8T8Fr89SklFI98ymm+8SYlirPEaejIrS6y8gbuzCunl2Ye0sc5v9EArxOLb/2kmiKsRefoUIPOjggzsMzebcqQzXBp2/yYqWaURQWhAV2LkHhALSnnEwcIFqM57FzBEa56YOMrsBBg1G+ACtH62fuyhrxoLg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=ouymbUTaqDmp0tbBjbxEB5fyKqzccqzZ1NgA9vlf8OGQUAMIyJSfUOTM1huJ2NvDWwVhBQKfnuMztL+sF06yVYaSZcdDSED6ks5abN4TC5ZrvEdcNo/dY4SJpgc0x3j8ApZhDDJfuF0Xi5gvzNybDCjWHFrXXf1ap+GuUWMZ6Ho= Message-ID: <64b81a780711050054i325559c5o7d57d069196be82f@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2007 03:54:17 -0500 From: "Todd Pafford" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Robert Fripp and LoCG Sighting In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76010 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2007 08:54:19 +0000 (UTC) We saw Fripp and the League of Crafty Guitarists in our hometown of Annapolis, Md on Halloween. Great show. I was surprised that (aside from the encore) Fripp was on electric all night doing mostly soundscapes and a bit of accompaniment/soloing. I have to say, though, that Fripp must get a kick out of confusing the audience and generally messing with our heads. All evening the ensemble played games with us: not allowing enough time between pieces for applause, or allowing too much, or running 3 or 4 unrelated pieces together, inserting a long soundscape in the middle of a piece, leaving the stage as though it's the end (with bows, etc) only to return for 40 more minutes of music (twice they did this plus the encore). Finally, at the end of the last piece after the last note was played, Fripp held the ensemble at the ready while half the audience began to applaud. Now, us musicians know it isn't over until the "at ease" signal is given so the other half of the audience was waiting expectantly. Slowly, the applause dwindled out and Fripp, with a smirk on his face as if to say that he's enjoying all this immensely, gave a slight nod and the ensemble rested, packed up and left the stage (bows, etc). I suppose keeping us off balance is a unique mechanism for the musicians to entertain themselves night after night. One thing that bugged me, though, was that many of the pieces I love were cut short. Several were lopped off at the end and attached to another piece, making for odd and somewhat disjointed medleys. Overall though, it was an excellent show. The musicianship was top-notch. This group (13 guitarists including Fripp) was very tight. Much tighter, in fact, than many live recordings I've heard from various League incarnations over the years. Todd On Nov 3, 2007 7:58 AM, Dennis Moser wrote: > Just a quick note: Robert Fripp and the League of Crafty Guitarists > performed in Fall Rover, Massachusetts, last night. I was expecting an all > LoCG performance but Mr. Fripp graced us with some of the beautiful > soundscape materials as well. > > My wife and I literally sat at the edge of the stage (about 8 inches away; > when the group did their final encore and the entire audience was on its' > feet, Fripp leaned over and whispered that she and I might want to be > sitting down for it ... lol), so I have fairly complete notes on the > hardware and will post later today . No photos or recordings (they were VERY > adamant about cameras and cell phones). > > Absod*mnlutely amazing ... > > Dennis > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 5 09:08:07 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 139633BF35; Mon, 5 Nov 2007 09:08:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 622050616-mk-filter-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com-B2C-$THROTTLED-DYNAMIC-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 79.74.248.41 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Aj0KAD9sLkdPSvgp/2dsb2JhbACCKp9U Message-ID: <472EDDA8.7030605@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2007 09:08:56 +0000 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: FlyLoops and electronic instruments References: <20071104043724.C08CB3BEF8@arsenic.violacea.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76011 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2007 09:08:06 +0000 (UTC) Jeffrey Larson wrote: > REX2 is a file format for storing "beat sliced" loops. It has nothing > to do with pitch shifting. Beat sliced loops can be played back with > special software to achieve a form of time stretch, changing the tempo > without changing the pitch. Basically loops are cut up into multiple > "slices", typically with a slice for each beat or fraction of a beat. > To change the tempo, the playback software shifts each slice closer > together (to speed up) or farther apart (to slow down). This works > well for percussive loops with obvious beats and slices carefully > designed so they don't cut off sustained notes. It doesn't work well > for non-percussive loops such as a legato horn line. > Sounds like a fantastic feature to put in a looper. ;-) Actually, doesn't the Redsound Cycloops do this? Stephen? andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 5 09:44:27 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A15303BF15; Mon, 5 Nov 2007 09:44:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 630942142-mk-filter-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com-B2C-$THROTTLED-DYNAMIC-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 79.74.248.41 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Aj0KAAZ0LkdPSvgp/2dsb2JhbACCKp9s Message-ID: <472EE62C.5020002@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2007 09:45:16 +0000 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Questions about Digitech Jamman start and stop loop recording References: <000801c81f4d$229b11f0$6b01a8c0@music> In-Reply-To: <000801c81f4d$229b11f0$6b01a8c0@music> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76012 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2007 09:44:27 +0000 (UTC) Jim, C'mon man, just learn to hit the buttons accurately. That's what live looping's all about. ;-) andy butler Jim Amsden wrote: > One of the more difficult problems with looping live is getting the loop > to start and stop at the right place. Trying to do this raw by pressing > the Record switch to start and stop has to be done very carefully to > avoid a glitch in the sound if the start, stop, or both aren't aligned > to the beat precisely. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 5 10:04:23 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0AAE13BF2A; Mon, 5 Nov 2007 10:04:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; bh=Q7ctsaT9oUb6qOlTwrPBUOy5dLYYOZOHZHzReT0qhJQ=; b=sZhcArfECj+jB8SUVXt23rE8JOdglknSCnWfWQklu6u67U/DZbDQUtMyF4hyp97+zqd8zkwSOBukyMMNb+HCigwZZYotGk2sGztMIKDYyA/YnYUlsLWy3Ojp2CRcv2Ctd8RVw4/dVMhQ/aikgUsre4L3iiKKpQn0JcpDro4WKlY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=sQ2BX2cfA+68aKr8/EwsaAppmj8aBmSI89RTEhgFBLaWuIgeqckPJxBHL4oMSfi1VLhXtyhp/g+LVgXWt1qgHh8PFhtSY3YfZuuvHs/5J9eeFnK5bxUeBKw5yxne404nYbI8UUJx6KQ6GRsPUb4aeduivLBupzqdZ6BKtDKKxOI= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <472EDDA8.7030605@tiscali.co.uk> References: <20071104043724.C08CB3BEF8@arsenic.violacea.com> <472EDDA8.7030605@tiscali.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <475F68F6-7E31-471E-BE63-6C84BF9C0739@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: ReCycle, Loop Slicing, GURU (Re: FlyLoops and electronic instruments) Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2007 11:04:16 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76013 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2007 10:04:22 +0000 (UTC) > Jeffrey Larson wrote: > >> REX2 is a file format for storing "beat sliced" loops. It has >> nothing >> to do with pitch shifting. Beat sliced loops can be played back with >> special software to achieve a form of time stretch, changing the >> tempo >> without changing the pitch. Basically loops are cut up into multiple >> "slices", typically with a slice for each beat or fraction of a beat. >> To change the tempo, the playback software shifts each slice closer >> together (to speed up) or farther apart (to slow down). This works >> well for percussive loops with obvious beats and slices carefully >> designed so they don't cut off sustained notes. It doesn't work well >> for non-percussive loops such as a legato horn line. On 5 nov 2007, at 10.08, andy butler wrote: > Sounds like a fantastic feature to put in a looper. > > ;-) Yes, I fully agree with that! I said the same thing to FXpansion when they rolled out the first plans for what was going to become GURU. Sadly they could not find a market out there to justify the development work (same answer they gave me many years ago when I suggested them to develop a software looper). Except for not dealing with real-time live input GURU has some amazing new functions that draws on the heritage from Propellerheads ReCycle/REX2. Any (already recorded) loop can be thrown into GURU for automatic slicing (according to transients, or "Hit Points" as Steinberg prefers to call them). Then the sounding pitch of each slice is examined and every slice is being tagged as for the part of a drum kit that the slice sounds most alike. And, as the third stage, loop slices are mapped to MIDI notes according to the GM standard (Roland's General MIDI standard, which goes Note#36=Kick drum, Note#37=Rim Shit, Note#38=Snare drum one, etc etc). And the fourth stage means instant playing back of the loop's slices in the order dictated by a running pattern based MIDI Step Sequencer. Isn't that cool!!!! :-)) Now, imagine how much more cool it would be if you could simply sing or play into GURU and have your live loop automatically scrambled into a "virtual drum kit" and played back according to some sick sequence pattern! To really make that an awesome live performance instrument you would also need some MIDI drum pads to program the sequencer "MPC style" on-the-fly. A nice thing with GURU is that it has a Swing Beat controller (simply a knob to delay beat 2 and 4). This is one thing I hope Mobius will implement in the future; a percentage delay of any action that happens on certain time beats. Ableton Live also has a "Groove Factor" which is one thing I liked in using MIDI Clips in Live to control Rate Shift of a running live loop (Augustus Loop or Mobius). In todays version of Mobius you need to script sequences of rate shifting and the pitch goes up and down on mathematically correct hit points, which might not always be the musically most preferred way. BTW, Numerology has an awesome implementation of "Global Groove Clock" that can do this instant time shifting to every process that happens in the applications (wow - isn't that cool. And you can change the "groove feel" too while complex parts are running, just like a well conducted orchestra plays with a changing rhythmic feel during a piece of music). I'm surprised that not more developers have looked into this, because micro timing is what makes music groove. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 5 10:29:32 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 220583BF39; Mon, 5 Nov 2007 10:29:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X_CMAE_Category: 0,0 Undefined,Undefined X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=hLVndRFCAAAA:8 a=SP6kGrPxeucRxYtB8M4A:9 a=n9-FRvxPkEkQW8z4NoOaQspk-ikA:4 a=br5QjLurtgQA:10 a=50e4U0PicR4A:10 a=WE7NTJFKrLkIx3mpTyUA:9 a=i-Mh_Oz5LLPSU27XTRoA:7 a=ssNQaibC_9rqbyPeDkh28APU-QEA:4 a=AfD3MYMu9mQA:10 X-CM-Score: 0 X-Scanned-by: Cloudmark Authority Engine Authentication-Results: smtp08.embarq.synacor.com smtp.mail=echohead@embarqmail.com; spf=neutral Authentication-Results: smtp08.embarq.synacor.com smtp.user=echohead@embarqmail.com; auth=pass (LOGIN) Received-SPF: neutral (smtp08.embarq.synacor.com: 71.48.241.17 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of embarqmail.com) Message-ID: <002601c81f96$bd0f2160$0202a8c0@YOUR08D5303051> From: "Jeff Duke" To: References: <000801c81f4d$229b11f0$6b01a8c0@music> Subject: Re: Questions about Digitech Jamman start and stop loop recording Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2007 05:29:24 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0023_01C81F6C.D3A9F8C0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76014 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2007 10:29:32 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0023_01C81F6C.D3A9F8C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Jim, the Jamman does have an auto start feature where you can arm it, then it = starts recording as soon as it gets an input signal.=20 i got the optional footswitch with it and it helps in this. It will take = practice to nail the close of the loop.. The only problem I had with the unit besides no feedback is that you = have to stop the jammer and then save the loop before=20 switching to the next loop for recording. This was the deal breaker for = me. I found that the only way to use it live would be to have=20 pre-recorded loops to start with. Since all I do is improv I quit using = it for now.I may use it for bringing found sounds, etc into the mix. For = now its packed up and not being used. If anyone has any work arounds I would love to hear them. tanx,=20 Jeff http://thisphase.org/lips.html ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Jim Amsden=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2007 8:42 PM Subject: Questions about Digitech Jamman start and stop loop recording One of the more difficult problems with looping live is getting the = loop to start and stop at the right place. Trying to do this raw by = pressing the Record switch to start and stop has to be done very = carefully to avoid a glitch in the sound if the start, stop, or both = aren't aligned to the beat precisely. The Jamman seems to solve half the problem, but not the whole. You can = tap a tempo before recording, then press the Record switch one measure = before you actually want to record. Recording will then start = automatically on the beat after a 1 measure lead-in. I ------=_NextPart_000_0023_01C81F6C.D3A9F8C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
        Hi Jim,
        the Jamman does have an auto start = feature where=20 you can arm it, then it starts recording as soon as it gets an input = signal.=20
        i got the optional footswitch with it = and it helps=20 in this. It will take practice to nail the close of the = loop..
        The only problem I had with the unit = besides no=20 feedback is that you have to stop the jammer and then save the loop = before=20
        switching to the next loop for = recording. This was=20 the deal breaker for me. I found that the only way to use it live would = be to=20 have
        pre-recorded loops to start with. Since = all I do is=20 improv I quit using it for now.I may use it for bringing found sounds, = etc into=20 the mix. For now its packed up and not being used.
        If anyone has any work arounds I would = love to hear=20 them.
        tanx,
        Jeff
        http://thisphase.org/lips.html
         
        ----- Original Message -----
        From:=20 Jim = Amsden=20
        To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
        Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2007 = 8:42=20 PM
        Subject: Questions about = Digitech Jamman=20 start and stop loop recording

        One of the more difficult problems = with looping=20 live is getting the loop to start and stop at the right place. Trying = to do=20 this raw by pressing the Record switch to start and stop has to be = done very=20 carefully to avoid a glitch in the sound if the start, stop, or both = aren't=20 aligned to the beat precisely.
         
        The Jamman seems to solve half the = problem, but=20 not the whole. You can tap a tempo before recording, then press the = Record=20 switch one measure before you actually want to record. Recording will = then=20 start automatically on the beat after a 1 measure = lead-in.
         
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        ------=_NextPart_000_0023_01C81F6C.D3A9F8C0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 5 14:06:37 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BA4903BEE6; Mon, 5 Nov 2007 14:06:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <472F2344.1040009@post.cybercity.dk> Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2007 15:05:56 +0100 From: van Sinn Reply-To: vansinn@post.cybercity.dk Organization: van Sinn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight Subject: Lex Jamman mem and software mods? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76015 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2007 14:06:37 +0000 (UTC) In earlier postings, memory constains in the Lexicon Jamman has been discussed in here, but AFAICT was never implemented. Or were they? I can live with 32 secs loops, but twice that would be nice ;) I've also seen quite some threads about software revisions, but what's the status, available from where..? Someone must have the Sources.. -- rgds, van Sinn From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 5 14:24:34 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C7EC23BEF0; Mon, 5 Nov 2007 14:24:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <472F277A.6050709@post.cybercity.dk> Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2007 15:23:54 +0100 From: van Sinn Reply-To: vansinn@post.cybercity.dk Organization: van Sinn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight Subject: Re: Lex Jamman mem and software mods? References: <472F2344.1040009@post.cybercity.dk> In-Reply-To: <472F2344.1040009@post.cybercity.dk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <3H8R4D.A.zoC.ieyLHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76016 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2007 14:24:34 +0000 (UTC) van Sinn wrote: > In earlier postings, memory constains in the Lexicon Jamman has been > discussed in here, but AFAICT was never implemented. Or were they? > I can live with 32 secs loops, but twice that would be nice ;) > > I've also seen quite some threads about software revisions, but what's > the status, available from where..? Someone must have the Sources.. Found Bob's site; sorry not doing my homework first. Spank me! Seems the memory issues were never resolved. Any takes? -- rgds, van Sinn From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 5 15:16:08 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C740A3BEF7; Mon, 5 Nov 2007 15:16:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 631104153-mk-filter-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com-B2C-$THROTTLED-DYNAMIC-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 79.74.248.41 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Aj0KALvCLkdPSvgp/2dsb2JhbACCKo4UkgA Message-ID: <472F33E9.3020309@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2007 15:16:57 +0000 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: LD Subject: Gordius knots still need undoing Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76017 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2007 15:16:08 +0000 (UTC) I've been trying out my Gordius Little Giant footcontroller. So far, there's a couple of problems with it, but these are to do with the special modifications that Xavier did for me. ( 4 expression pedals insted of 2) So I spent a day with Gordius already...and no looping :-( These problems are not going to be around for long, Xavier is on the case, ..............................................and so am I ;-) Anyway, report so far As previously mentioned, switches and their arrangement are completely satisfactory, item is well built. It has a wallwart. Programming is very easy with the supplied (pc only so far) editor application. It does take a bit of getting used to:- first you have to program the function you want (Patch Change, Momentary Function, or Expression ped assignment). Then you have to add that to something called a 'preset' (usually one function per preset, but you can combine stuff in one preset as well). Then create a bank, and add your presets to it. That's 3 steps where you might expect one,so it seems a long way to go about adding, say a Prog Ch to a single button within a bank, but then it's incredibly flexible. If you have long strings of commands that you want to call from more than one bank, you only have to enter them once. Xavier is working on the manual, it gives all the info but he wants to add some simple HowTos some details Expression Pedal assignments:- You have a default assignment for each pedal, but can use a switch to change them at will. I tried the Bespeco 18-L, an EV-5 clone, and this works perfectly. Should be possible to use other pedals with similar wiring. It's a very responsive pedal setup, fast acting, and accurate enough to pick a number between 0-127 and set a control to it. (edp displays the number). Momentary Functions These are what we'd use to control a looping device. It seems any string of Midi commands you can dream up can be sent on push, and the same for release. (I haven't tried every single midi command) Sysex is possible with the pc only editor. (editor for mac promised). The only drawback with Momentary functions is that at the moment there's only 32 of them available. Xavier's looking in to that though. I suggested 128 would be enough. (it would be possible to use Patches instead, just nowhere near as neat) Patches.( Prog Change + ) These have the functionality of Momentary functions, but Gordius displays the name of the last selected patch and keeps the LED of that switch alight. There's a nice bright screen display which gives assorted information, like the last Patch selected, or the current Bank ..and as you get to enter the names you want this works great. My LG4 at the moment has problems with a couple of buttons not behaving, so it's not useable yet, but I'm pretty certain that it's specific to my unit to which Xavier did some mods. the LG range have a number of functions I didn't mention so far, including another function called a "Stompbox", which can be added to a bank in the same way as other functions. A stompbox gives you a way to turn on (or off) effects by whatever midi commands are needed, then while that FX is 'on' the LED above the switch will be lit. (ie. press for on, the "on" string of commands is sent and the led lit, press again for off and the "off" string is sent and the led turned off) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 5 15:56:57 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E8A743BEEC; Mon, 5 Nov 2007 15:56:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Received:X-YMail-OSG:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:In-Reply-To:X-MimeOLE:Thread-Index; b=ck2LKDmNoLo4JhdFGOXotJrT79vNHutMLvBwTYCZDFLkWa01dq6zt5HJtIobSj8V+3jRGKSpykASCHUZ/XI+0esS4iPmWYnsVkkaKjbiM8UCTbra9/Ppbwx7x9HX1/6J1CQQSA/jz59byOYiDH6fVTnPKn2dpbzszD8u91ut7io= ; X-YMail-OSG: lnjBXZUVM1mDkaEB7KbfH2MFKEcPUBqsXTQZAA7WGEyna5vnIjUQK1ENh7NdCGuY7AJG6hptqam8F93PBkioGL_7WxY4CeDosenhXzYyiXQG_oAALQ-- From: "murkie" To: Subject: RE: Steve Reich in Paris and other Concerts in France as well Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2007 10:56:52 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Thread-Index: Acgff5iBmfBhh9C2RSKICguUGk98kQARKpmw Message-Id: <20071105155655.6E1AD3BED6@arsenic.violacea.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76018 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2007 15:56:57 +0000 (UTC) Though it's been a few years since I've seen the Ensemble I would recommend them whole-heartedly! See them if you can. m.c. -----Original Message----- From: eterogeneo [mailto:info@eterogeneo.com] Sent: Monday, November 05, 2007 1:42 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Steve Reich in Paris and other Concerts in France as well Wow ! Any other tour dates in Italy ? Best fabio www.eterogeneo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 5 16:31:50 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 10B643BED9; Mon, 5 Nov 2007 16:31:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "Aaron Leese" To: Subject: RE: FlyLoops and electronic instruments Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2007 08:31:38 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1250" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 In-Reply-To: X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Thread-Index: AcgfZam9d4b5vRVHQE2DZszJBQCbogAY0hYg Message-Id: <20071105163149.3DCF73BECF@arsenic.violacea.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76019 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2007 16:31:49 +0000 (UTC) Interesting .... pitch shifting is what I am talking about. When I said frequency shift I meant simply speeding up playback .... which is easy to do (and of course, moves all the pitches as well). It would be nice to be able to alter the pitch or the tempo without altering the other ... but as Jeff has pointed out ... this is very difficult from an engineering point of view. -----Original Message----- From: Mech [mailto:mech@m3ch.net] Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2007 8:37 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: FlyLoops and electronic instruments At 11:50 AM -0800 11/4/07, Aaron Leese wrote: > >I've implemented the frequency shift before ... Aaron, I think you've made reference to this twice now, so I'd like to get some clarification if you don't mind. IIRC, frequency shifting usually refers to transposing a signal without shifting the frequencies proportionally to each other. The term pitch shifting is used for the more musical practice of transposing those frequencies in a proportional manner. For instance, let's say that you have a sound composed of three sine frequencies at 1200, 1300, and 1400 hertz. This audio doubled in frequency using pitch shifting would result in a sound composed of 2400, 2600, and 2800 Hz -- musically, a one octave transposition upward. However, using frequency shifting, it would merely add the baseline 1200 Hz to each of the values and you'd end up with a sound composed of 2400, 2500, and 2600 Hz. While the lowest (let's assume fundamental) pitch is transposed up an octave perfectly, the other sine frequencies are actually transposed to inharmonic intervals and appear more as aliasing artifacts than true pitch elements. In the real world, merely multiply this example by ~20,000 frequencies. Pitch shifting is usually the more musically useful of the two. Because of that, frequency shifting is much less common (I can only think of a few Alesis products and some modular synth modules, right off the top of my head). Many of the results of a frequency shifter sound somewhat like a bizarre form of ring modulation [sic]. So, I'm just curious: which algorithm are you talking about possibly implementing? If you were implementing true *frequency* shifting into FlyLoops, then I'd imagine there are quite a few noise junkies out there (myself included) who'd be keenly interested, although it might alienate a few of the more traditional crowd too. :) --m. -- _____ "the wind in my heart; the dust in my head...." Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.487 / Virus Database: 0.0.0/0 - Release Date: 12:00 AM Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.487 / Virus Database: 0.0.0/0 - Release Date: 12:00 AM From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 5 17:28:27 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2422E3BED6; Mon, 5 Nov 2007 17:28:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <475F68F6-7E31-471E-BE63-6C84BF9C0739@gmail.com> References: <20071104043724.C08CB3BEF8@arsenic.violacea.com> <472EDDA8.7030605@tiscali.co.uk> <475F68F6-7E31-471E-BE63-6C84BF9C0739@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2007 12:27:49 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Mech Subject: Re: ReCycle, Loop Slicing, Looperlative.... (was: ReCycle, Loop Slicing, GURU) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76020 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2007 17:28:26 +0000 (UTC) At 11:04 AM +0100 11/5/07, Per Boysen wrote: >>Jeffrey Larson wrote: >>>REX2 is a file format for storing "beat sliced" loops. It has nothing >>>to do with pitch shifting. Beat sliced loops can be played back with >>>special software to achieve a form of time stretch, changing the tempo >>>without changing the pitch. Basically loops are cut up into multiple >>>"slices", typically with a slice for each beat or fraction of a beat. >>>To change the tempo, the playback software shifts each slice closer >>>together (to speed up) or farther apart (to slow down). This works >>>well for percussive loops with obvious beats and slices carefully >>>designed so they don't cut off sustained notes. It doesn't work well >>>for non-percussive loops such as a legato horn line. > >On 5 nov 2007, at 10.08, andy butler wrote: >>Sounds like a fantastic feature to put in a looper. > >Yes, I fully agree with that! Me too! I wonder if Bob and CPR have considered doing anything similar to this with the Looperlative. After all, the Scramble function is already based in part on similar functionality. With the LP-1's Scramble, the loop is divided up into a number of "slices" which are then randomly reordered. So the Looperlative can already divide the loop up into chunks that can be manipulated. For REX-like functionality, you'd just need to insert a delay in-between the playback of each of the slices (without re-ordering, of course; or, well, I guess you could do both if you really wanted). As always, the difficulty would be in the actual use, which is why, I think, REX is almost always implemented as a studio (rather than performance) tool. Even with drumbeats, you'd have to play in an extremely disciplined manner. If you recorded, then sliced, a beat with any tempo variation to it -- rushing or dragging to add feel -- it wouldn't sync properly at the slice points. You might end up with a kick and half the snare in one slice, while the second half of the snare continues in the next slice. Still, I think you could do some really interesting things with larger slices. Think of a phrase made up of 8 evenly-spaced notes. Slice the loop into four slices (two notes per slice), then delay each slices playback by the equivalent of one note. Now you've instantly added a triplet or "three" feel to the loop, since the phrase now consists of a series of two notes followed by a one note rest. I'm sure there are lotsa other fun things you could do with the timing too (not to mention a possible solution for Per's eternal quest to add subtle timing variations to a loop in realtime ;) I wonder how much they've considered building on that functionality.... --m. -- _____ "the wind in my heart; the dust in my head...." From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 5 18:15:50 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0934D3BED8; Mon, 5 Nov 2007 18:15:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <64b81a780711050054i325559c5o7d57d069196be82f@mail.gmail.com> References: <64b81a780711050054i325559c5o7d57d069196be82f@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Rev Fever Subject: Re: (A little OT) Robert Fripp and LoCG Sighting/ "Beyond Even" Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2007 10:15:42 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: <_B5snD.A.trC.V31LHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76021 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2007 18:15:49 +0000 (UTC) For those who have liked Fripp's previous works with Eno, and who have not picked it yet, then I highly REVcommended getting a copy of their latest 2CD release entitled: "Beyond Even". (originally it was to have the cheeky title of "Works of Startling Genius". Glad they changed that. :-) ) It not a continuation of "Evening Star" nor "No Pussyfooting", but still is GREAT, IMO, and very rhythmic, and more. I doubt that too many who have previously enjoyed the collaborations of F & E (and / or their individual works) will be disappointed. I know that *I* was NOT disappointed ! :-) Enjoy...! -Rev. Fever PS-This a FYI only and not intened to ignite and fuel any debates of opinions over this release. :-) On Nov 5, 2007, at 12:54 AM, Todd Pafford wrote: > We saw Fripp and the League of Crafty Guitarists in our hometown of > Annapolis, Md on Halloween. Great show. I was surprised that (aside > from the encore) Fripp was on electric all night doing mostly > soundscapes and a bit of accompaniment/soloing. > > I have to say, though, that Fripp must get a kick out of confusing the > audience and generally messing with our heads. All evening the > ensemble played games with us: not allowing enough time between > pieces for applause, or allowing too much, or running 3 or 4 unrelated > pieces together, inserting a long soundscape in the middle of a piece, > leaving the stage as though it's the end (with bows, etc) only to > return for 40 more minutes of music (twice they did this plus the > encore). Finally, at the end of the last piece after the last note > was played, Fripp held the ensemble at the ready while half the > audience began to applaud. Now, us musicians know it isn't over until > the "at ease" signal is given so the other half of the audience was > waiting expectantly. Slowly, the applause dwindled out and Fripp, > with a smirk on his face as if to say that he's enjoying all this > immensely, gave a slight nod and the ensemble rested, packed up and > left the stage (bows, etc). I suppose keeping us off balance is a > unique mechanism for the musicians to entertain themselves night after > night. > > One thing that bugged me, though, was that many of the pieces I love > were cut short. Several were lopped off at the end and attached to > another piece, making for odd and somewhat disjointed medleys. > > Overall though, it was an excellent show. The musicianship was > top-notch. This group (13 guitarists including Fripp) was very tight. > Much tighter, in fact, than many live recordings I've heard from > various League incarnations over the years. > > Todd > > On Nov 3, 2007 7:58 AM, Dennis Moser wrote: >> Just a quick note: Robert Fripp and the League of Crafty Guitarists >> performed in Fall Rover, Massachusetts, last night. I was >> expecting an all >> LoCG performance but Mr. Fripp graced us with some of the beautiful >> soundscape materials as well. >> >> My wife and I literally sat at the edge of the stage (about 8 >> inches away; >> when the group did their final encore and the entire audience was >> on its' >> feet, Fripp leaned over and whispered that she and I might want to be >> sitting down for it ... lol), so I have fairly complete notes on the >> hardware and will post later today . No photos or recordings (they >> were VERY >> adamant about cameras and cell phones). >> >> Absod*mnlutely amazing ... >> >> Dennis >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 5 18:16:08 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E371E3BED5; Mon, 5 Nov 2007 18:16:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Ninja-PIM: Scanned by Ninja X-Ninja-AttachmentFiltering: (no action) From: Jeff Larson To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2007 12:16:09 -0600 Subject: RE: ReCycle, Loop Slicing, GURU (Re: FlyLoops and electronic instruments) Thread-Topic: ReCycle, Loop Slicing, GURU (Re: FlyLoops and electronic instruments) Thread-Index: Acgfkz8aL5NyfEBQQJiFEz+Nvh3uswAPaNSA Message-ID: <7872203368197C4691224688958BE71410ADEFF6C3@barq.sailpoint.com> References: <20071104043724.C08CB3BEF8@arsenic.violacea.com> <472EDDA8.7030605@tiscali.co.uk> <475F68F6-7E31-471E-BE63-6C84BF9C0739@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <475F68F6-7E31-471E-BE63-6C84BF9C0739@gmail.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US acceptlanguage: en-US Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76022 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2007 18:16:08 +0000 (UTC) [jeff] >> Basically loops are cut up into multiple "slices" >> ... >> To change the tempo, the playback software shifts each slice closer >> together (to speed up) or farther apart (to slow down). [andy] > Sounds like a fantastic feature to put in a looper. I actually experimented with this a little when I was working on Shuffle (slicing the loop into even sections and randomizing their order). After slicing, rather than changing the order it just changed the start times so they could expand and contract. I didn't find this particularly interesting, expansion left gaps of silence between slices, contraction made them overlap which produced various phasey artifacts. It was kind fun for glitch looping but didn't achieve what most would consider a musical time stretch. The main problem was that the slices were way to coarse (8thsPerCycle) and did not attempt to find the beats. It wouldn't be horribly complicated to do proper beat slicing, but I think you'd still have to be careful about what you play so that the automatic beat detector can make the right choices. Doing this in real time would be the challenge. You would probably have to enter a BeatSlice mode for a second during which the analysis takes place in parallel with playing the loop and no other modifications are allowed. Then something lights up to let you know you can twist the expand/contract knob. Allowing continuous control over this also doesn't fit well with the infinite layer model. While you are in "twist the tempo knob" mode you would not be allowed to make any other changes, the track becomes more of a static-loop-playback-with-effects track rather than a continuously-evolving-loop track. As soon as you start overdubbing or otherwise modifying a sliced loop that would effectively pin the slices to their current locations and we would use that as the background for the next layer. You could repeat this process after the next overdub if desired. [per] > And, as the third stage, loop slices are mapped to MIDI notes > according to the GM standard (Roland's General MIDI standard, which= goes > Note#36=3DKick drum, Note#37=3DRim Shit, Note#38=3DSnare drum one, etc > etc). Given all of the above, this would be fairly easy. It would be sort of like SamplerStyle=3DOnce except that you would be triggering and playing only a subcycle rather than the entire loop. Where it would differ is that you probably want to trigger more than one slice at the same time. Like the tempo knob, this would only be available in "static loop" mode, as soon as you start modifying the loop the slices are gone and you can't trigger them. You could however use Bounce to record a performance of triggered slices into another track, then build from there. Or I could just fix my backlog of bugs :-) Sigh, too much to do... Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 5 18:38:18 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A10EB3BED8; Mon, 5 Nov 2007 18:38:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; bh=xwNALpLR+2f2XRnTGKfmXBN/HS6Ko+iz4tshoTza848=; b=GFRpDGyOWom0iWGD6WJD6Yw7ehhkbPyslCO9lGwtLyM9m6KJPiHN4YFuWyMSJRRfIyKJJTxQvSjGhl27n3ZiGaKPyzCm3snz9FYf6AJk1wokWV2mhsqJwWDNO3EOkZtj1+1nNtFqFbjAnxpc9kst0vBW2ElvGF9KH/esJcEFbhg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=MnTutHgZz76mbCyYRCKy2+HwCpWvCWX0dLEsGvAYuXSGguLvsufrB97bSZ6MGOEmYxfIswmPsqg4bwFOK4YjFAjX1j8kneMEtw5xJ7/2sRB/dNcSClpTEnCd78njM/bLTYYJdMJRo6m1WwwfKUOcCK84G4WrT2yOJiM9RdLvwaY= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: References: <20071104043724.C08CB3BEF8@arsenic.violacea.com> <472EDDA8.7030605@tiscali.co.uk> <475F68F6-7E31-471E-BE63-6C84BF9C0739@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <4CE9AFB1-8A1B-4C22-BEDE-50CD6C4975ED@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: ReCycle, Loop Slicing, Looperlative.... (was: ReCycle, Loop Slicing, GURU) Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2007 19:38:07 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76023 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2007 18:38:18 +0000 (UTC) On 5 nov 2007, at 18.27, Mech wrote: > -'Still, I think you could do some really interesting things with > larger slices. Think of a phrase made up of 8 evenly-spaced notes. > Slice the loop into four slices (two notes per slice), then delay > each slices playback by the equivalent of one note. Now you've > instantly added a triplet or "three" feel to the loop, since the > phrase now consists of a series of two notes followed by a one note > rest. > I wonder how much they've considered building on that > functionality.... I guess Mobius could have that pretty soon if some sort of user interface cold be developed for its Shuffle function. Now it has four pre defined slice-and-mangle algorithms. Think about how cool if the user could - Chose the "grid" for slicing (divide loop length with any number, making sure odd timings will be possible). - Chose the treatment applied for each slice (transpose, filtering, panning...). Other applications that have interesting interfaces for loop slice mangling are pHATmatik PRO, Reason (Dr Rex Loop Player), ReCycle... The trick is to apply it in real-time on the first loop playback of a live input. Maybe we should stop posting here about this, so Jeff can cut down on his, recently quite massive, educational postings and use a couple of hours for coding? Eh..... ;-) Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 5 18:39:58 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2865D3BED0; Mon, 5 Nov 2007 18:39:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <472F6355.7070206@post.cybercity.dk> Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2007 19:39:17 +0100 From: van Sinn Reply-To: vansinn@post.cybercity.dk Organization: van Sinn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Gordius knots still need undoing References: <472F33E9.3020309@tiscali.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <472F33E9.3020309@tiscali.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76024 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2007 18:39:58 +0000 (UTC) andy butler wrote: > > Programming is very easy with the supplied (pc only so far) editor > application. > > It does take a bit of getting used to:- > first you have to program the function you want (Patch Change, Momentary > Function, or Expression ped assignment). > Then you have to add that to something called a 'preset' (usually one > function per preset, but you can combine stuff > in one preset as well). > Then create a bank, and add your presets to it. > > That's 3 steps where you might expect one,so it seems a long way to go > about adding, say a Prog Ch to a single button within a bank, > but then it's incredibly flexible. > If you have long strings of commands that you want to call from more > than one bank, you only have to enter them once. While I don't have one (yet, as Xavier and I have talks about a halfrack version), I would think this function->preset->bank method is a result of coding the software for set/song mode, which it also handles. Here, a range of presets are added to songs, which are added to sets. -- rgds, van Sinn From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 5 18:47:33 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3FF023BEDD; Mon, 5 Nov 2007 18:47:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <1194287889.472f6311a5bc3@webmail.musetrap.com> Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2007 12:38:09 -0600 From: cpr@musetrap.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: ReCycle, Loop Slicing, Looperlative.... (was: ReCycle, Loop Slicing, GURU) References: <20071104043724.C08CB3BEF8@arsenic.violacea.com> <472EDDA8.7030605@tiscali.co.uk> <475F68F6-7E31-471E-BE63-6C84BF9C0739@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.2.2 X-Originating-IP: 208.49.125.142 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76025 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2007 18:47:33 +0000 (UTC) I believe both Bob and I have updates for the LP1 scramble functions on our plate... peace -cpr Quoting Mech : > At 11:04 AM +0100 11/5/07, Per Boysen wrote: > >>Jeffrey Larson wrote: > >>>REX2 is a file format for storing "beat sliced" loops. It has nothing > >>>to do with pitch shifting. Beat sliced loops can be played back with > >>>special software to achieve a form of time stretch, changing the tempo > >>>without changing the pitch. Basically loops are cut up into multiple > >>>"slices", typically with a slice for each beat or fraction of a beat. > >>>To change the tempo, the playback software shifts each slice closer > >>>together (to speed up) or farther apart (to slow down). This works > >>>well for percussive loops with obvious beats and slices carefully > >>>designed so they don't cut off sustained notes. It doesn't work well > >>>for non-percussive loops such as a legato horn line. > > > >On 5 nov 2007, at 10.08, andy butler wrote: > >>Sounds like a fantastic feature to put in a looper. > > > >Yes, I fully agree with that! > > Me too! I wonder if Bob and CPR have considered doing anything > similar to this with the Looperlative. After all, the Scramble > function is already based in part on similar functionality. > > With the LP-1's Scramble, the loop is divided up into a number of > "slices" which are then randomly reordered. So the Looperlative can > already divide the loop up into chunks that can be manipulated. For > REX-like functionality, you'd just need to insert a delay in-between > the playback of each of the slices (without re-ordering, of course; > or, well, I guess you could do both if you really wanted). > > As always, the difficulty would be in the actual use, which is why, I > think, REX is almost always implemented as a studio (rather than > performance) tool. Even with drumbeats, you'd have to play in an > extremely disciplined manner. If you recorded, then sliced, a beat > with any tempo variation to it -- rushing or dragging to add feel -- > it wouldn't sync properly at the slice points. You might end up with > a kick and half the snare in one slice, while the second half of the > snare continues in the next slice. > > Still, I think you could do some really interesting things with > larger slices. Think of a phrase made up of 8 evenly-spaced notes. > Slice the loop into four slices (two notes per slice), then delay > each slices playback by the equivalent of one note. Now you've > instantly added a triplet or "three" feel to the loop, since the > phrase now consists of a series of two notes followed by a one note > rest. I'm sure there are lotsa other fun things you could do with > the timing too (not to mention a possible solution for Per's eternal > quest to add subtle timing variations to a loop in realtime ;) > > I wonder how much they've considered building on that functionality.... > > --m. > -- > _____ > "the wind in my heart; the dust in my head...." > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 5 18:56:55 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 331CD3BEE4; Mon, 5 Nov 2007 18:56:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; bh=mGVS7V6yPGir1Y5u7jXzcvZX8QFaRWVksyqHiX6Kblw=; b=KV/zeCezPQ9giIqFhZFAimLgX1V+syD9rfYOtGJKV4CzYj+KSWFJYV0v/S/uWFqva2DwXd9TlvtFI72b/+mInbsfTHWTHlT7Y+gmRSn574IKGGSqyO2Qz5sV8AG1xBQ9WcalAtcdSxavFq1tsSM5f2/69Lgemb692IJzdPZjJ2Y= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=nx5Uz/agT2neyLOFUrd7uKkEeMHNeLOA/w+MKHxSbj5M6VK8aAwxVGhFK/bOYCBfai+vYlFrz2R/TMNrQsnE5QNLzr51tJiO1rln6W9x1wyKJ32VgQTsB8ii4j7gk3lgFWLI0di/UP+zM/R+w4paRZtSaQYukTwr53lotId4yWo= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <7872203368197C4691224688958BE71410ADEFF6C3@barq.sailpoint.com> References: <20071104043724.C08CB3BEF8@arsenic.violacea.com> <472EDDA8.7030605@tiscali.co.uk> <475F68F6-7E31-471E-BE63-6C84BF9C0739@gmail.com> <7872203368197C4691224688958BE71410ADEFF6C3@barq.sailpoint.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <08880827-9E8F-478C-99FC-9C8E87A60977@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: ReCycle, Loop Slicing, GURU (Re: FlyLoops and electronic instruments) Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2007 19:56:45 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76026 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2007 18:56:55 +0000 (UTC) On 5 nov 2007, at 19.16, Jeff Larson wrote: > [andy] >> Sounds like a fantastic feature to put in a looper. > > I actually experimented with this a little when I was working on > Shuffle (slicing the loop into even sections and randomizing their > order). After slicing, rather than changing the order it just changed > the start times so they could expand and contract. I didn't find this > particularly interesting, expansion left gaps of silence between > slices, You could implement "alternative" direction of the loop playback, meaning that for a too short slice (if the tempo was lowered) the lacking gap will be filled by the earlier slice playing in reverse mode from the end loop point while awaiting the time cusp for triggering the next slice. > contraction made them overlap which produced various phasey > artifacts. This could be fixed by reducing the "polyphony" of the audio channel to one (if using interleaved stereo streams) or two (if using separated Left and Right mono streams - as Protools used to). Logic still works in this ancient, but highly efficient way; as soon as any piece of audio is played back on a certain audio channel it blocks out eventual previous audio that was playing there. Old audio is kept in memory and brought back into the playback ("play head" to use a tape machine allegory) position as soon as the interfering audio stops. This should of course happen according to the global cross fade settings to prevent glitchy artifacts. > It wouldn't be horribly complicated to do proper beat slicing, but I > think you'd still have to be careful about what you play so that the > automatic beat detector can make the right choices. I think "implementing proper beat slicing" may be a waist of developmental energy. Better IMHO to put eventual efforts into grid slicing. This would be cool enough if the user have control over the two parameters Grid and Slice Treatment. > Or I could just fix my backlog of bugs :-) > > Sigh, too much to do... > > Jeff Isn't part of the beauty in not being into it business-wise that you are not forced to work on New Shiny Features rather than fixing bugs? ;-) Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 5 19:02:52 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B4DFE3BEF3; Mon, 5 Nov 2007 19:02:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 1907 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Mon, 05 Nov 2007 19:02:52 UTC Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <1BF61308-5569-4390-8CA7-BBC5486B6D00@reyn.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: REYN Subject: First posting... Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2007 19:30:59 +0100 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: <1_9vYC.A.F_E.cj2LHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76027 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2007 19:02:52 +0000 (UTC) Hello there people, I'm new here and this is my first post. I'm very much into looping for a long time now and about time to get on this list. I really got into looping through Jon Brion. I have been a fan from him for more then 10 years and even saw some of his great shows in Largo in LA where he exposed some of his impressive loopings-skills. I did a recording of some of my looping some while ago, and thought it would be nice to share it with you guys. The topic is a bit strange though. It's about the fact that I wrote music for some Commodore 64 games a long time ago. As some kinda nostalgie I still once in a while make an album with old C64 classics. Hence the Green Beret by Martin Galway. Well, hope you'll enjoy: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v8UBY8Yj9c0 Happy to be a part of Loopers-Delight!! Cheers, Reyn www.reyn.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 5 19:12:06 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 63F143BEDD; Mon, 5 Nov 2007 19:12:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=rogers.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=jVteZwTfYq3KrOpDSRai9PaRrRzb6N/+d4D5+4xKMnosXfLt/JjvObD30K+ObHqhM/5CWksfN9bjFLBuVKnPnYf6ep6XwO/IOdUkPLrjm/PnJkQX9pAqRufJ1Ecp9DOWLfj9aFwiGxWSyfiLoebQ8OIwDmcFNwhRMua8J3CEyiQ=; X-YMail-OSG: Ar4pOaoVM1lrlvG6pooLT2HdaLNQ2CTWVZZJmTONGhZGq1sY9vqf7BKj_KDyAr_DDSzKO_S4Ig-- Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2007 14:12:03 -0500 (EST) From: JASON CASKENTTE Subject: akai MPC500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1435373574-1194289923=:34145" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <982644.34145.qm@web88302.mail.re4.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76028 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2007 19:12:06 +0000 (UTC) --0-1435373574-1194289923=:34145 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit anybody care to comment on this drumachine I'm thinking about buying one and would like to know if an Akai MPC is a good buy? --0-1435373574-1194289923=:34145 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit anybody care to comment on this drumachine I'm thinking about buying one and would like to know if an Akai MPC is a good buy? --0-1435373574-1194289923=:34145-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 5 19:13:11 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A0ADC3BEE0; Mon, 5 Nov 2007 19:13:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <1194287889.472f6311a5bc3@webmail.musetrap.com> References: <20071104043724.C08CB3BEF8@arsenic.violacea.com> <472EDDA8.7030605@tiscali.co.uk> <475F68F6-7E31-471E-BE63-6C84BF9C0739@gmail.com> <1194287889.472f6311a5bc3@webmail.musetrap.com> Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2007 14:12:37 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Mech Subject: Re: ReCycle, Loop Slicing, Looperlative.... (was: ReCycle, Loop Slicing, GURU) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76029 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2007 19:13:11 +0000 (UTC) At 12:38 PM -0600 11/5/07, cpr@musetrap.com wrote: >I believe both Bob and I have updates for the LP1 scramble functions on our >plate... Wheeeeeeeee! /me can hardly wait!!!! (I love the Scramble function, BTW.) Keep up the good work! :) --m. -- _____ "the wind in my heart; the dust in my head...." From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 5 21:17:30 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3F5AB3BED2; Mon, 5 Nov 2007 21:17:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <49410.208.97.187.133.1194297445.squirrel@webmail.helpwantedproductions.com> Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2007 13:17:25 -0800 (PST) Subject: WTD: Serge Animal, Soup Kitchen or similar From: legion@helpwantedproductions.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, digitalhell@hyperreal.org, analogue@hyperreal.org User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.10a MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76030 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2007 21:17:30 +0000 (UTC) I figured I would try one last time for a trade/used item before selling my other Serge Panel. I have an CMSized greyface 4012 Arp 2600 with op amp and other upgrades for possible trade as well. Looking for a Serge Animal panel or very similar set of modules in one panel. In particular the triple waveshaper and SSG. Don't need any ADSRs and don't really care much about VCOs or UAP but if they're mixed in with other Animal like goodies it might work out. Also intersted in a Soup Kitchen (again or something similar) If you have one for sale I am interested in buying it ASAP. Cash or trades for other Serge panels, modular (Cyndustries/Modcan, etc) gear, and/or synths and effects possible. Thanks! ------------------------------------------------ Weird, Scary, and Beautiful Music and Art: Http://www.HelpWantedProductions.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 5 21:25:59 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7D5353BED8; Mon, 5 Nov 2007 21:25:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 387 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Mon, 05 Nov 2007 21:25:58 UTC DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=7YtXMGZadgAoiCcVqz1VyWGqSz0LsuS+XEXmlQS4WHI=; b=sdIjsq93wD+Gp7ikZWn+d6Uz5zNfWYUbpC3P29zDWmc/F7i1A1tWNzHsToq4TU8QPaSM445YtnYN9oAKYFkCPpeyZyfy92Bri/aiWKjrnLbeg6nlshTYYOwki9Sk++zq87fqRf6kr6s+ha25k4defKDn6DBJSzhA89rIBA24Q5w= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=P3rJ8cJHd1v0QJhmdAp4fcRd7oWB6rzKNSfUOvRX+JrfeDAZFssiNNT+U+WdO/B9YGrFgT9B9jnoQtnpbUaiE1z8Cu0I0K5T5FTDVMvc1kimS34bmjCaFxADiHBvvhpIdopxlVX9koyASVq9XInp11JYM8Edl3NaNmHw8aCAmZU= Message-ID: Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2007 16:19:29 -0500 From: "edward ." To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: akai MPC500 In-Reply-To: <982644.34145.qm@web88302.mail.re4.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_27900_232022.1194297569764" References: <982644.34145.qm@web88302.mail.re4.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76031 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2007 21:25:59 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_27900_232022.1194297569764 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Jason, I got a used one on ebay for around $325.00. If you can get a used one and it's not f'ed up somehow, it's a pretty amazing deal for what it does. There are a few gripes about them on the mpc forums, but they"re pretty rad. On Nov 5, 2007 2:12 PM, JASON CASKENTTE wrote: > anybody care to comment on this drumachine I'm thinking about buying one > and would like to know if an Akai MPC is a good buy? ------=_Part_27900_232022.1194297569764 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Jason,

          I got a used one on ebay for around $325.00.  If you can get a used one and it's not f'ed up somehow,
        it's a pretty amazing deal for what it does.  There are a few gripes about them on the mpc forums, but they"re
        pretty rad.


        On Nov 5, 2007 2:12 PM, JASON CASKENTTE <jcaskenette@rogers.com> wrote:
        anybody care to comment on this drumachine I'm thinking about buying one and would like to know if an Akai MPC is a good buy?

        ------=_Part_27900_232022.1194297569764-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 5 21:52:16 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 839633BED0; Mon, 5 Nov 2007 21:52:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <044801c81ff6$2003e080$52b4ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Scripting/Command Chaining in the Max/MSP Kaiser Looper Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2007 14:52:10 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/related; type="multipart/alternative"; boundary="=_MAILPROV.cableone.net-18961-1194299534-0001-2" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76032 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2007 21:52:16 +0000 (UTC) This is a MIME-formatted message. If you see this text it means that your E-mail software does not support MIME-formatted messages. --=_MAILPROV.cableone.net-18961-1194299534-0001-2 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=_MAILPROV.cableone.net-18961-1194299534-0001-3" This is a MIME-formatted message. If you see this text it means that your E-mail software does not support MIME-formatted messages. --=_MAILPROV.cableone.net-18961-1194299534-0001-3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Well, I've finally done it. All this talk about scripts and chaining = commands in loopers, and my own experience using them with Mobius, = compelled me to add some new objects to my Max/MSP Kaiser Looper to = chain commands. It was relatively simple. Basically, I already had some = objects inside the looper that convert computer keypad presses into = looping commands, like record, reverse, random speed change or shuffle, = etc, in case I don't want to use my MIDI controller pedal. The object = essentially converts a keypress into a number, like 50 for the "1" key, = and then I route different numerical output values of the object to = different objects in the looper that trigger commands. Taking advantage = of this, I created a new object that chains numerals in a sequence, like = 50 - - - - 51, where 50 is Record, - is one second, and 51 is Play. I = create one simple text box/button with numbers and dashes inside it, run = that into the key press object, and each command is executed in sequence = and time delays. I only had time to create one sequence, which recorded = about 10 seconds of material on all four loop tracks, then reverses one, = half speeds the second, double-speeds the third, and applies random = speed change to the fourth. Basically, I loop for 10 seconds and I get = an explosion of sound as a result of the chaining. Any other cool ideas for chaining looping commands? I'd like to build 10 = or so of these. Kris Krispen Hartung http://www.krispenhartung.com info@krispenhartung.com --=_MAILPROV.cableone.net-18961-1194299534-0001-3 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
        Well, I've finally done it. All this = talk about=20 scripts and chaining commands in loopers, and my own experience using = them with=20 Mobius, compelled me to add some new objects to my Max/MSP Kaiser = Looper to=20 chain commands.  It was relatively simple. Basically, I = already had=20 some objects inside the looper that convert computer keypad presses into = looping=20 commands, like record, reverse, random speed change or shuffle, etc, in = case I=20 don't want to use my MIDI controller pedal. The object essentially = converts a=20 keypress into a number, like 50 for the "1" key, and then I route = different=20 numerical output values of the object to different objects in the = looper=20 that trigger commands. Taking advantage of this, I created a new = object=20 that chains numerals in a sequence, like 50 - - - - 51, where 50 is = Record, - is=20 one second, and 51 is Play. I create one simple text box/button with = numbers and=20 dashes inside it, run that into the key press object, and each command = is=20 executed in sequence and time delays.  I only had time to create = one=20 sequence, which recorded about 10 seconds of material on all four loop = tracks,=20 then reverses one, half speeds the second, double-speeds the third, and = applies=20 random speed change to the fourth. Basically, I loop for 10 seconds and = I get an=20 explosion of sound as a result of the chaining.
         
        Any other cool ideas for chaining = looping commands?=20 I'd like to build 10 or so of these.
         
        Kris
         
         
         
        Krispen Hartung
        http://www.krispenhartung.com
        info@krispenhartung.com

         

         

         

         

         

         

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All this talk about scripts and > chaining commands in loopers, and my own experience using them with > Mobius, compelled me to add some new objects to my Max/MSP Kaiser > Looper to chain commands. It was relatively simple. Basically, I > already had some objects inside the looper that convert computer > keypad presses into looping commands, like record, reverse, random > speed change or shuffle, etc, in case I don't want to use my MIDI > controller pedal. The object essentially converts a keypress into a > number, like 50 for the "1" key, and then I route different > numerical output values of the object to different objects in the > looper that trigger commands. Taking advantage of this, I created a > new object that chains numerals in a sequence, like 50 - - - - 51, > where 50 is Record, - is one second, and 51 is Play. I create one > simple text box/button with numbers and dashes inside it, run that > into the key press object, and each command is executed in sequence > and time delays. I only had time to create one sequence, which > recorded about 10 seconds of material on all four loop tracks, then > reverses one, half speeds the second, double-speeds the third, and > applies random speed change to the fourth. Basically, I loop for 10 > seconds and I get an explosion of sound as a result of the chaining. > > Any other cool ideas for chaining looping commands? I'd like to > build 10 or so of these. Hmm.... what else is there to do when you have already managed "an explosion of sound in ten seconds"? ;-)) Don't know... anyway, here are some wild ideas: Rising Sounds: Start at two octaves pitch up (may use "double-double-speed", "Rate Shift = 24" or whatever you may call it). Then activate overdub mode and lower the pitch; first rapidly but the lower the pitch gets the slower the pitch-fall should go (this is to compensate for the speed change to make the recorded pitch change happen at a steady pace). The complete procedure should go on for at least half a minute, then when reaching two octaves down overdub mode should stop and the pitch should go back to normal while the loop is retriggered from the beginning in sync with parallel loops (if working with sync). Whining Halloweeny: Same as above, but with a faster sine wave shaped pitch/rate shifting curve that goes up and down many times during overdubbing. Bass Dots: Pitch up the loop two octaves, overdub very shortly and then go back to normal. The short audio region overdubbed should now sound as percussive bass hit in the loop. (In Mobius I also take down the rate under normal for a short while, after overdubbing shortly at +24; just to keep the loops timing steady, sort of compensating for the loop going faster when at +24. Hope that will keep you happily busy for a while... ;-) Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 5 22:18:40 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2C7E43BED0; Mon, 5 Nov 2007 22:18:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <044801c81ff6$2003e080$52b4ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> References: <044801c81ff6$2003e080$52b4ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2007 17:18:00 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Mech Subject: Re: Scripting/Command Chaining in the Max/MSP Kaiser Looper Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76034 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2007 22:18:40 +0000 (UTC) At 2:52 PM -0700 11/5/07, Krispen Hartung wrote: > >Any other cool ideas for chaining looping commands? I'd like to >build 10 or so of these. Kris, When you had an LP-1, which strings worked well for you on that device? It sounds like you're talking about a similar functionality, so maybe you can look back over your past setups and steal some ideas from yourself. ;) --m. -- _____ "the wind in my heart; the dust in my head...." From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 5 22:50:58 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 93BC03BED9; Mon, 5 Nov 2007 22:50:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <05e701c81ffe$52e56a20$52b4ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <044801c81ff6$2003e080$52b4ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Subject: Re: Scripting/Command Chaining in the Max/MSP Kaiser Looper Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2007 15:50:45 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: <8L4wNC.A.iTG.S55LHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76035 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2007 22:50:58 +0000 (UTC) Wow, my memory is far too shot to remember those LP1 settings. Here they are, http://www.krispenhartung.com/LP1_ADVANCED_CONFIGURATIONS.html But nothing interesting for me. I had more interesting scripts in Mobius, a few of which Per mentioned in his response already. Kris >>Any other cool ideas for chaining looping commands? I'd like to build 10 >>or so of these. > > Kris, > > When you had an LP-1, which strings worked well for you on that device? > It sounds like you're talking about a similar functionality, so maybe you > can look back over your past setups and steal some ideas from yourself. > ;) > > --m. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 6 00:31:34 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EAA9B3BECD; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 00:31:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=sVypVzWNqcNFch0yCHCD5YbfKTHykgSYg6s7TX7x3W5hr5BKPFFA6/5VmSECm+XoMdayRdZaB2EgzUV+IBSRSmavsChByna735o2pOUc3mLs6e9Y3dyj+t80Re4riGVuBPh7f/3XxvNcTxko2jiW+GPTVIbZ37qSxYGTGKZ+MA8=; X-YMail-OSG: ajLLne8VM1mdveYf6tycFPWeBCThhQfKiGixzpST08L9DuWaUX1FJ3QAqtC4x0eKrg-- Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2007 16:31:31 -0800 (PST) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: Re: First posting... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <1BF61308-5569-4390-8CA7-BBC5486B6D00@reyn.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <835428.86844.qm@web38601.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: <15FYJB.A.bXC.lX7LHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76036 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2007 00:31:33 +0000 (UTC) great tune Reyn good looping!what gear are u using? cheers Luis --- REYN wrote: > Hello there people, > > I'm new here and this is my first post. I'm very > much into looping > for a long time now and about time to get on this > list. I really got > into looping through Jon Brion. I have been a fan > from him for more > then 10 years and even saw some of his great shows > in Largo in LA > where he exposed some of his impressive > loopings-skills. > > I did a recording of some of my looping some while > ago, and thought > it would be nice to share it with you guys. The > topic is a bit > strange though. It's about the fact that I wrote > music for some > Commodore 64 games a long time ago. As some kinda > nostalgie I still > once in a while make an album with old C64 classics. > Hence the Green > Beret by Martin Galway. Well, hope you'll enjoy: > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v8UBY8Yj9c0 > > Happy to be a part of Loopers-Delight!! > > Cheers, > > Reyn > > www.reyn.net > > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 6 00:51:58 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8D6A03BED5; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 00:51:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <835428.86844.qm@web38601.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <835428.86844.qm@web38601.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <8168DCDB-D442-4D0D-A93A-2EBC074FF80F@reyn.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: REYN Subject: Re: First posting... Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2007 01:51:55 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76037 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2007 00:51:58 +0000 (UTC) Thanks Luis! I use 2 Gibson Echoplex machines. And I love them! Little question here: I'm doing a tour with an artist called Stephan Eicher and we use 3 Echoplexes separate. First I had 2 Brother synced and one synced though beatsync, but that wasn't always flawless. Now I have the stereo cable (brothersync) of the first splitted into 2 stereo cables that go to the other 2 Echoplexes' brothersyncs which works fine now. But on rare occasions (though pretty nasty when you're on live stage) it looses sync halfway or starts recording or goes into overdub without touching it. Is this way of doing this illegal in any sense or is one of the cables too long (which is like between 5 and 7 meters to go to the other side of the stage)? Or is there maybe another solution? Every Echoplex should be synced to each other, but should be able to record and overdub freely. Cheers, Reyn www.reyn.net On Nov 6, 2007, at 1:31 AM, L.A. Angulo wrote: > great tune Reyn good looping!what gear are u using? > cheers > Luis > > > > --- REYN wrote: > >> Hello there people, >> >> I'm new here and this is my first post. I'm very >> much into looping >> for a long time now and about time to get on this >> list. I really got >> into looping through Jon Brion. I have been a fan >> from him for more >> then 10 years and even saw some of his great shows >> in Largo in LA >> where he exposed some of his impressive >> loopings-skills. >> >> I did a recording of some of my looping some while >> ago, and thought >> it would be nice to share it with you guys. The >> topic is a bit >> strange though. It's about the fact that I wrote >> music for some >> Commodore 64 games a long time ago. As some kinda >> nostalgie I still >> once in a while make an album with old C64 classics. >> Hence the Green >> Beret by Martin Galway. Well, hope you'll enjoy: >> >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v8UBY8Yj9c0 >> >> Happy to be a part of Loopers-Delight!! >> >> Cheers, >> >> Reyn >> >> www.reyn.net >> >> >> > > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 6 01:13:30 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4B9383BED6; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 01:13:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "Aaron Leese" To: Subject: RE: First posting... Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2007 17:13:17 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1250" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 Thread-Index: Acgf3nvInrLswFGWSkGIjN7hNthNtwAMu8Ag In-Reply-To: <1BF61308-5569-4390-8CA7-BBC5486B6D00@reyn.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Message-Id: <20071106011329.6E89A3BECA@arsenic.violacea.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76038 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2007 01:13:30 +0000 (UTC) Yeah man ... dig it. Good music. Very nice website too .... once you figure out the whole scroll sideways thing ..... Welcome to Loopers D ... -----Original Message----- From: REYN [mailto:reyn@reyn.net] Sent: Monday, November 05, 2007 10:31 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: First posting... Hello there people, I'm new here and this is my first post. I'm very much into looping for a long time now and about time to get on this list. I really got into looping through Jon Brion. I have been a fan from him for more then 10 years and even saw some of his great shows in Largo in LA where he exposed some of his impressive loopings-skills. I did a recording of some of my looping some while ago, and thought it would be nice to share it with you guys. The topic is a bit strange though. It's about the fact that I wrote music for some Commodore 64 games a long time ago. As some kinda nostalgie I still once in a while make an album with old C64 classics. Hence the Green Beret by Martin Galway. Well, hope you'll enjoy: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v8UBY8Yj9c0 Happy to be a part of Loopers-Delight!! Cheers, Reyn www.reyn.net Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.487 / Virus Database: 0.0.0/0 - Release Date: 12:00 AM Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.487 / Virus Database: 0.0.0/0 - Release Date: 12:00 AM From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 6 02:03:44 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8CDDA3BED0; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 02:03:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 721 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Tue, 06 Nov 2007 02:03:44 UTC Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: <472C7021.9090301@post.cybercity.dk> References: <472B6C80.8030207@post.cybercity.dk> <00D88560-BFB0-419D-8B67-3960CDA8865D@gmail.com> <472C7021.9090301@post.cybercity.dk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: connect audio apps (was: Need time sync explained) Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2007 18:04:26 -0300 To: Loop List X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Nov 2007 01:51:40.0872 (UTC) FILETIME=[935CAC80:01C82017] Resent-Message-ID: <_UyFo.A.ZSG.Au8LHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76039 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2007 02:03:44 +0000 (UTC) on mac, you can use Jack to connect any audio apps. I consumes proc power, though http://www.jackosx.com/ > I have no idea as yet about how sharing I/O lines on a 4 in, 4 out > audio IFC between Logic and a either a standalone og plugin looper > app will work; maybe I'm just seeing imaginary ghosts ;) > > -- > rgds, > van Sinn > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 6 03:01:01 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 681F33BED6; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 03:01:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <008601c82021$45627870$6b01a8c0@music> From: "Jim Amsden" To: "Loopers-Delight" References: <472F2344.1040009@post.cybercity.dk> Subject: Re: Lex Jamman mem and software mods? Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2007 22:01:04 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76040 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2007 03:01:01 +0000 (UTC) I have a Lexicon MPXG2 which has a Jamman effect that's only 20 sec. ----- Original Message ----- From: "van Sinn" To: "Loopers-Delight" Sent: Monday, November 05, 2007 9:05 AM Subject: Lex Jamman mem and software mods? > In earlier postings, memory constains in the Lexicon Jamman has been > discussed in here, but AFAICT was never implemented. Or were they? > I can live with 32 secs loops, but twice that would be nice ;) > > I've also seen quite some threads about software revisions, but what's > the status, available from where..? Someone must have the Sources.. > > > -- > rgds, > van Sinn From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 6 04:01:48 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 443D23BED8; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 04:01:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=mmvn9/DbgP7iGdO8ji13M4GpOEuceLkJQC1XrolARAkl3Ed/endfDDJp6T4GTD6nq/ZrDSXEXo3xOzhAME9V2qhq4wYH5UfMVKt6mQ2D1EJikRczA+AFFU5HWjxnpyj2p1Xp6bV6iHV0PdQX3QITgAdRMNpDk0f1uAooWYNcpXg=; X-YMail-OSG: QDPwZi0VM1lPkYlJuqwIj6MLRo1rvkYQEXWrdeA8lfvAnQNQSEPVE4OrhOlyXfimG.jOOlTyfSwarRYRFKHj_fqtRgMGZN5VhWU5mzScF465VgfYUoU- Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2007 20:01:46 -0800 (PST) From: Subject: Re: First posting... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <8168DCDB-D442-4D0D-A93A-2EBC074FF80F@reyn.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <682782.94374.qm@web34506.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76041 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2007 04:01:48 +0000 (UTC) I'm stunned... That was fantastic! I'm not familiar with the echoplex and I havn't started the whole MIDI thing yet. How are you able to keep the drums on track like that? www.myspace.com/mesqua www.reverbnation.com/stevenguerrero __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 6 05:01:51 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CAC163BED6; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 05:01:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=0mcyTukzoX0q6vD/om5ViF1s5SDEXmYcWejPX7sE4LpcOZck+3pCByb4irp7Ee7H+zhUMF4eSkY1Wc60PRqFbFvInpEoOYBgilQWCtQJSbXpfQhsfc47mOprh9aJWA+uxis+Cjd8YR5p8DiPNmaJcYYWE2g1y4JmOIeFbk4DThA=; X-YMail-OSG: omDf8xEVM1nGQIVAiqA3ZUwP6CF_tWOt7gpYKo7AZQYCla0LE6oTbA10G5cc9gDZbepkHVUGuY1_lxib2N8LWRYe2F37.sQXnXUobiL3.bJIaA0PVR3LWBCTYSBscg-- Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2007 21:01:48 -0800 (PST) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: Re: First posting... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <8168DCDB-D442-4D0D-A93A-2EBC074FF80F@reyn.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <194953.4856.qm@web38607.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76042 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2007 05:01:51 +0000 (UTC) Oh man i feel for you! trying to sync 2 EDPs was enough for me but you are trying it with 3? be careful not ot end up in a nuthouse! here is the deal,from experience you will have sync problems if u have 2 different EDPs models(ex.oberheim and EDP pro) 2 different software installed i ended up having to sell the older models until i finally got 2 of the newer blackface EDPs which synced much better but still not 100% percent.I still had drifts... So i sacrificed stereo for live reliability and been really happy since, i use one unit only,the less devices,cables,weight and problems the better.The only problem ive been having lately with the EDP is when i slave it to my mpc1000,sometimes there is a strange volume drop and last saturday i had to restart the unit 4 times! but i have the feeling it comes from having the midi merge function on my FCB1010 footcontroller activated and somewhere there are worng midi messages being sent.Other than that if the EDP is the master syncing a rhythm box it works flawlessly. But yes,there is a hidden demon in this units which at the same time makes them really atractive! cheers Luis --- REYN wrote: > Thanks Luis! > > I use 2 Gibson Echoplex machines. And I love them! > > Little question here: I'm doing a tour with an > artist called Stephan > Eicher and we use 3 Echoplexes separate. First I had > 2 Brother synced > and one synced though beatsync, but that wasn't > always flawless. Now > I have the stereo cable (brothersync) of the first > splitted into 2 > stereo cables that go to the other 2 Echoplexes' > brothersyncs which > works fine now. But on rare occasions (though pretty > nasty when > you're on live stage) it looses sync halfway or > starts recording or > goes into overdub without touching it. > > Is this way of doing this illegal in any sense or is > one of the > cables too long (which is like between 5 and 7 > meters to go to the > other side of the stage)? Or is there maybe another > solution? Every > Echoplex should be synced to each other, but should > be able to record > and overdub freely. > > Cheers, > > Reyn > > www.reyn.net > > > On Nov 6, 2007, at 1:31 AM, L.A. Angulo wrote: > > > great tune Reyn good looping!what gear are u > using? > > cheers > > Luis > > > > > > > > --- REYN wrote: > > > >> Hello there people, > >> > >> I'm new here and this is my first post. I'm very > >> much into looping > >> for a long time now and about time to get on this > >> list. I really got > >> into looping through Jon Brion. I have been a fan > >> from him for more > >> then 10 years and even saw some of his great > shows > >> in Largo in LA > >> where he exposed some of his impressive > >> loopings-skills. > >> > >> I did a recording of some of my looping some > while > >> ago, and thought > >> it would be nice to share it with you guys. The > >> topic is a bit > >> strange though. It's about the fact that I wrote > >> music for some > >> Commodore 64 games a long time ago. As some kinda > >> nostalgie I still > >> once in a while make an album with old C64 > classics. > >> Hence the Green > >> Beret by Martin Galway. Well, hope you'll enjoy: > >> > >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v8UBY8Yj9c0 > >> > >> Happy to be a part of Loopers-Delight!! > >> > >> Cheers, > >> > >> Reyn > >> > >> www.reyn.net > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > protection around > > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 6 05:49:00 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2763D3BED0; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 05:49:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: <20071101233722.D7CCD3BEAC@arsenic.violacea.com> References: <20071101233722.D7CCD3BEAC@arsenic.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: FlyLoops and electronic instruments (Rewire) Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2007 02:48:52 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Nov 2007 05:48:57.0477 (UTC) FILETIME=[B90A3350:01C82038] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76043 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2007 05:49:00 +0000 (UTC) Hey Aaron, was great to meet you at the festival, really! We recently tried Rewire to connect my guitar from Bidule to a master, for recording and looping. the problem we could not overcome is that there is a master (which is started first) which occupies the audio interface and the slave app has no access to it. I guess its made for virtual instruments only. or how would you process a guitar and then loop it? (by the way, Aaron, your Reply To is set to you privately which is probably not what you want?) On 1 Nov 2007, at 20:31, Aaron Leese wrote: > > > Hey all ... > > In response to the many inquiries I got about using Flyloops with > VSTs and > other programs, I've gone ahead and applied for a license from > Propellerhead > to get the libraries to make Flyloops Rewire compatible. > > In English ..... this will make it possible to use the output from > other > programs (like samplers which generate the sound for electronic > instruments/keyboards, etc. or VST instruments) ... and use that > sound as > the inputs that Flyloops sees, and can then loop. > > And thanks everyone for your great input during Y2K7 .... always > nice to get > ideas about what different people look for in their "ideal" > looper. I was > blown away by the number of other engineers at the festival. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 6 06:37:58 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 450D83BED6; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 06:37:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: AW: First posting... Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2007 07:38:16 +0100 Organization: Moinlabs Message-ID: <000601c8203f$a073a0e0$1001a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: Acgf3necYRPL3cyFRlOBUZLxeTpK4gAYMTuQ X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 In-Reply-To: <1BF61308-5569-4390-8CA7-BBC5486B6D00@reyn.net> X-RZG-AUTH: lUESeo99iNzPL8kuBgLYdKEqUywq9cxqeRA+BtFcSCD5deQ7OId23nupB+0= X-RZG-CLASS-ID: mo07 Resent-Message-ID: <2cAw5D.A.YVC.FvAMHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76044 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2007 06:37:58 +0000 (UTC) > I did a recording of some of my looping some while ago, and > thought it would be nice to share it with you guys. The topic This is from the "Green Beret" computer game? Thanks for that Eighties cover! Great playing there, I especially like your piano work on this one. Welcome to this list, Rainer From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 6 08:04:32 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5C2F83BED0; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 08:04:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; bh=p6O8tmPxFM8o3EHV9wcMlIvuuXrQmbnkmdAtKUofUxo=; b=hgalrrhlIzWZe6e/pxJPaBEJsg00A3i7RqpZWv/l2OR0/zwoIsmm+bIu04lwsr+/6RirgT/s4NOPjrCL3zoQl5zRNL3n+H/zd25zq4B8++pqVCahN+uOc7BGuj+TJDDjmfemqvOHpU26LOVUo7t7niSk4R2xB6VFDsBLR/sNl0g= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=WmwBvEgUOvxtZyDbfV7ku3R2QZcL5yiStxyke5Yor5BrFx9e1prR2NOWxhoFoLFc+8S3Dx15Uj3+5tyESy4VtGTRqY4XClnPngwBnFL3Im5RVzvtBv3jZiXZs02bXRrdHikK05tDDh8RwIGzRusJNd+zZqYyOkuCsdBzVuL6R7s= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: References: <472B6C80.8030207@post.cybercity.dk> <00D88560-BFB0-419D-8B67-3960CDA8865D@gmail.com> <472C7021.9090301@post.cybercity.dk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <25ABAFE4-E6D3-40A5-B6C2-67903D289FD0@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: connect audio apps (was: Need time sync explained) Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2007 09:04:25 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76045 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2007 08:04:32 +0000 (UTC) Another good OS X audio "patch-bay" is Soundflower from Cycling74: http://www.cycling74.com/downloads/soundflower If you have Soundflower on a Mac it comes up as just another audio interface in any audi application (on Mac you can use multiple soundcards with a computer) Per On 5 nov 2007, at 22.04, Matthias Grob wrote: > on mac, you can use Jack to connect any audio apps. I consumes proc > power, though > http://www.jackosx.com/ > >> I have no idea as yet about how sharing I/O lines on a 4 in, 4 out >> audio IFC between Logic and a either a standalone og plugin looper >> app will work; maybe I'm just seeing imaginary ghosts ;) >> >> -- >> rgds, >> van Sinn >> From notification@regionsnet.com Tue Nov 6 08:08:15 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 9387 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Tue, 06 Nov 2007 08:08:15 UTC Received: from p15187660.pureserver.info (p15187660.pureserver.info [217.160.178.67]) by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C79B3BECF for ; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 08:08:13 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 5376 invoked from network); 6 Nov 2007 05:09:28 +0000 Received: from hunnicuttlaw.com (HELO User) (66.196.215.211) by p15187660.pureserver.info with SMTP; 6 Nov 2007 05:09:28 +0000 Reply-To: From: "Regions Bank" Subject: Customer Service: 1 New Alert Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2007 22:04:36 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-7" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-Id: <20071106080813.4C79B3BECF@arsenic.violacea.com> To: undisclosed-recipients:; We'd like to inform you that your Message Center has 1 new alert. 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Sincerely, Regions Bank Customer Service From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 6 08:29:27 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4F9813BED9; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 08:29:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <473025BF.4020100@post.cybercity.dk> Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2007 09:28:47 +0100 From: van Sinn Reply-To: vansinn@post.cybercity.dk Organization: van Sinn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Lex Jamman mem and software mods? References: <472F2344.1040009@post.cybercity.dk> <008601c82021$45627870$6b01a8c0@music> In-Reply-To: <008601c82021$45627870$6b01a8c0@music> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76046 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2007 08:29:27 +0000 (UTC) Jim Amsden wrote: > I have a Lexicon MPXG2 which has a Jamman effect that's only 20 sec. By that I guess you mean if you only have 20 secs, the 32 in Jamman should do for me ;) Actually, I clocked some sequences I'd like to loop, and found some 15-20 secs to be the lower limit for what's practical, which made me rule out some inexpensive thingies with only 11-12 secs. Andy vigorously suggested the EDP, but no way I can afford it in a forseeable future. Guess it'll be a Jamman with Bob's software. I also have a Vortex; though mostly used for efffects, I can still use it for certain play'n'loop'n'replace'n'fadeout-as-you-go things :), plus my TSR24 (upgraded to dual SDISH and more ram) can do maybe 5 secs, so those three in combination ought to be enough. > ----- Original Message ----- From: "van Sinn" > To: "Loopers-Delight" > Sent: Monday, November 05, 2007 9:05 AM > Subject: Lex Jamman mem and software mods? > > >> In earlier postings, memory constains in the Lexicon Jamman has been >> discussed in here, but AFAICT was never implemented. Or were they? >> I can live with 32 secs loops, but twice that would be nice ;) >> >> I've also seen quite some threads about software revisions, but what's >> the status, available from where..? Someone must have the Sources.. -- rgds, van Sinn From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 6 08:38:42 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1F7C43BEE0; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 08:38:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <473027EB.3010700@post.cybercity.dk> Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2007 09:38:03 +0100 From: van Sinn Reply-To: vansinn@post.cybercity.dk Organization: van Sinn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: connect audio apps References: <472B6C80.8030207@post.cybercity.dk> <00D88560-BFB0-419D-8B67-3960CDA8865D@gmail.com> <472C7021.9090301@post.cybercity.dk> <25ABAFE4-E6D3-40A5-B6C2-67903D289FD0@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <25ABAFE4-E6D3-40A5-B6C2-67903D289FD0@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76047 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2007 08:38:42 +0000 (UTC) Per Boysen wrote: > Another good OS X audio "patch-bay" is Soundflower from Cycling74: > http://www.cycling74.com/downloads/soundflower > > If you have Soundflower on a Mac it comes up as just another audio > interface in any audi application (on Mac you can use multiple > soundcards with a computer) Matthias Grob wrote: > on mac, you can use Jack to connect any audio apps... Pointers noted. So Jack on OSX doesn't mangle the audio chain? Nice.. From 10+ years on Linux, I was reluctantly about to use it as a DAW, when Logic Studio was announced at $500. On Linux can have problems with applications guessworking between using ALSA (of cause with needed OSS emulation), Jack and one or two more audio services (forgot which). > On 5 nov 2007, at 22.04, Matthias Grob wrote: > >> on mac, you can use Jack to connect any audio apps. I consumes proc >> power, though >> http://www.jackosx.com/ >> >>> I have no idea as yet about how sharing I/O lines on a 4 in, 4 out >>> audio IFC between Logic and a either a standalone og plugin looper >>> app will work; maybe I'm just seeing imaginary ghosts ;) -- rgds, van Sinn From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 6 11:39:01 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A85643BEDB; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 11:39:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:mime-version:content-type; bh=EMIrmyhaC1OktfOuTS00CqPCkYMrKBbuNvfT9GdK48Y=; b=g0STXjHpgs0u+NmpqA7XnVvVqaxVpvggZUcbJ2Dl2/rGnTen8PMyGRpA0FGgvjC0s8z50lb0tPzwUD3Duq1gMzfcnYIa/Abe2Xn5Xa2zHGEbFLCvtUFz8EpWAg9DXucIdJD8FloTExGy3h7JSHH+jLlyuRaQFiK1TmwcxizcocQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:mime-version:content-type; b=oUlSkIFrLtIRDp5ZLaTXtdHGk5OYLy2zdcpHOatxHNrSGG94IxT9+fyXYs7HpunNT67stazYQ1hziLxprFgQU/ddqaN46ODmJgY6SKkWB+Oih+lOac43eIxRMH4HAkdSu5p2F+M7oZtuUD3nvvFyA10IRZPMt0plaF2x3rmTgg0= Message-ID: Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2007 06:38:58 -0500 From: "Dennis Moser" To: vansinn@post.cybercity.dk Subject: Was: Lex Jam, 1st real post Cc: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_35466_11144320.1194349138039" Resent-Message-ID: <5dFbhB.A.1rE.VJFMHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76048 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2007 11:39:01 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_35466_11144320.1194349138039 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline van Sinn, This is my first real post in here (kindly overlook the brief review of Fripp's recent appearance in Fall River if you aren't a fan of the man ... ) and am posting because I feel your pain. I, too, have a Lexicon Jamman with the 32 sec upgrade. But I have yet to find it as useful as the rest of my rig, which consists of the following (in signal sequence): Godin xtSA guitar (using all 3 outputs, into the GR-20, for a full stereo signal) and Ebow Roland GR-20 Lexicon Vortex Lexicon Vortex Lexicon Vortex Lexicon MX200 Boss DD-20 GigaDelay Boss DD-20 GigaDelay ...and then off to the mixer ... I have another Vortex and a Lexicon 110 as "backups", along with a "retired" GR-1 that I will eventually figure out how to bring backinot the fold. Over the past two years, I have been experimenting with using expression pedals and various A/B switching pedalson the Vortexes, I think with some modest success. The Vortex mania I lay squarely at the feet of Andy Butler, all the more so after I found out how much an Echoplex would cost me. (*grin ... just kidding, Andy! I heard/played one at my friend Darrell Burgan's studio, he of http://www.stillstream.com -fame and it was downhill from there! When your spouse says "You need one of those" do you argue?) Some recent examples can be heard over here: http://aldo.angrek.com/audio/ ...and yes, "Lexiconian Lament" is meant to be a little tongue in cheek ... I'd just had a Vortex die on me and was scrambling to locate another one for a performance ... Best, Dennis On 11/6/07, van Sinn wrote: > Andy vigorously suggested the EDP, but no way I can afford it in a > forseeable future. Guess it'll be a Jamman with Bob's software. > I also have a Vortex; though mostly used for efffects, I can still use > it for certain play'n'loop'n'replace'n'fadeout-as-you-go things :), plus > my TSR24 (upgraded to dual SDISH and more ram) can do maybe 5 secs, so > those three in combination ought to be enough. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "van Sinn" > > > To: "Loopers-Delight" > > Sent: Monday, November 05, 2007 9:05 AM > > Subject: Lex Jamman mem and software mods? > > > > > >> In earlier postings, memory constains in the Lexicon Jamman has been > >> discussed in here, but AFAICT was never implemented. Or were they? > >> I can live with 32 secs loops, but twice that would be nice ;) > >> > >> I've also seen quite some threads about software revisions, but what's > >> the status, available from where..? Someone must have the Sources.. > > > -- > rgds, > van Sinn > > ------=_Part_35466_11144320.1194349138039 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline van Sinn,

        This is my first real post in here (kindly overlook the brief review of Fripp's recent appearance in Fall River if you aren't a fan of the man ... ) and am posting because I feel your pain.

        I, too, have a Lexicon Jamman with the 32 sec upgrade. But I have yet to find it as useful as the rest of my rig, which consists of the following (in signal sequence):

        Godin xtSA guitar (using all 3 outputs, into the GR-20, for a full stereo signal) and Ebow
        Roland GR-20
        Lexicon Vortex
        Lexicon Vortex
        Lexicon Vortex
        Lexicon MX200
        Boss DD-20 GigaDelay
        Boss DD-20 GigaDelay
        ...and then off to the mixer ...


        I have another Vortex and a Lexicon 110 as "backups", along with a "retired" GR-1 that I will eventually figure out how to bring backinot the fold. Over the past two years, I have been experimenting with using expression pedals and various A/B switching pedalson the Vortexes, I think with some modest success.

        The Vortex mania I lay squarely at the feet of Andy Butler, all the more so after I found out how much an Echoplex would cost me. (*grin ... just kidding, Andy! I heard/played one at my friend Darrell Burgan's studio, he of http://www.stillstream.com -fame and it was downhill from there! When your spouse says "You need one of those" do you argue?)

        Some recent examples can be heard over here:

        http://aldo.angrek.com/audio/

        ...and yes, "Lexiconian Lament" is meant to be a little tongue in cheek ... I'd just had a Vortex die on me and was scrambling to locate another one for a performance ...

        Best,

        Dennis

        On 11/6/07, van Sinn <vansinn@post.cybercity.dk> wrote:
        Andy vigorously suggested the EDP, but no way I can afford it in a
        forseeable future. Guess it'll be a Jamman with Bob's software.
        I also have a Vortex; though mostly used for efffects, I can still use
        it for certain play'n'loop'n'replace'n'fadeout-as-you-go things :), plus
        my TSR24 (upgraded to dual SDISH and more ram) can do maybe 5 secs, so
        those three in combination ought to be enough.


        > ----- Original Message ----- From: "van Sinn" < vansinn@post.cybercity.dk>
        > To: "Loopers-Delight" <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
        > Sent: Monday, November 05, 2007 9:05 AM
        > Subject: Lex Jamman mem and software mods?
        >
        >
        >> In earlier postings, memory constains in the Lexicon Jamman has been
        >> discussed in here, but AFAICT was never implemented. Or were they?
        >> I can live with 32 secs loops, but twice that would be nice ;)
        >>
        >> I've also seen quite some threads about software revisions, but what's
        >> the status, available from where..?  Someone must have the Sources..


        --
        rgds,
        van Sinn


        ------=_Part_35466_11144320.1194349138039-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 6 12:05:46 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7FAA83BED8; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 12:05:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <003701c8206d$52a30a80$0201a8c0@eluk1> From: "Stephen Goodman" To: References: <64b81a780711050054i325559c5o7d57d069196be82f@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: (A little OT) Robert Fripp and LoCG Sighting/ "Beyond Even" Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2007 12:05:27 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76049 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2007 12:05:46 +0000 (UTC) I was interested in this one as a possible Christmas Lister... and wasn't sure if it was going to be another 'Equatorial Stars' (something so similar to the 'Pussyfooting' material that it was the first time I was disappointed by that pair). ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rev Fever" To: Sent: Monday, 5 November, 2007 18:15 PM Subject: Re: (A little OT) Robert Fripp and LoCG Sighting/ "Beyond Even" > For those who have liked Fripp's previous works with Eno, and who have > not picked it yet, > then I highly REVcommended getting a copy of their latest 2CD release > entitled: "Beyond Even". > > (originally it was to have the cheeky title of "Works of Startling > Genius". Glad they changed that. :-) ) > > It not a continuation of "Evening Star" nor "No Pussyfooting", but still > is GREAT, IMO, and very rhythmic, and more. > I doubt that too many who have previously enjoyed the collaborations of F > & E (and / or their individual works) > will be disappointed. I know that *I* was NOT disappointed ! :-) > > Enjoy...! > > -Rev. Fever > > PS-This a FYI only and not intened to ignite and fuel any debates of > opinions over this release. :-) > > On Nov 5, 2007, at 12:54 AM, Todd Pafford wrote: > >> We saw Fripp and the League of Crafty Guitarists in our hometown of >> Annapolis, Md on Halloween. Great show. I was surprised that (aside >> from the encore) Fripp was on electric all night doing mostly >> soundscapes and a bit of accompaniment/soloing. >> >> I have to say, though, that Fripp must get a kick out of confusing the >> audience and generally messing with our heads. All evening the >> ensemble played games with us: not allowing enough time between >> pieces for applause, or allowing too much, or running 3 or 4 unrelated >> pieces together, inserting a long soundscape in the middle of a piece, >> leaving the stage as though it's the end (with bows, etc) only to >> return for 40 more minutes of music (twice they did this plus the >> encore). Finally, at the end of the last piece after the last note >> was played, Fripp held the ensemble at the ready while half the >> audience began to applaud. Now, us musicians know it isn't over until >> the "at ease" signal is given so the other half of the audience was >> waiting expectantly. Slowly, the applause dwindled out and Fripp, >> with a smirk on his face as if to say that he's enjoying all this >> immensely, gave a slight nod and the ensemble rested, packed up and >> left the stage (bows, etc). I suppose keeping us off balance is a >> unique mechanism for the musicians to entertain themselves night after >> night. >> >> One thing that bugged me, though, was that many of the pieces I love >> were cut short. Several were lopped off at the end and attached to >> another piece, making for odd and somewhat disjointed medleys. >> >> Overall though, it was an excellent show. The musicianship was >> top-notch. This group (13 guitarists including Fripp) was very tight. >> Much tighter, in fact, than many live recordings I've heard from >> various League incarnations over the years. >> >> Todd >> >> On Nov 3, 2007 7:58 AM, Dennis Moser wrote: >>> Just a quick note: Robert Fripp and the League of Crafty Guitarists >>> performed in Fall Rover, Massachusetts, last night. I was expecting an >>> all >>> LoCG performance but Mr. Fripp graced us with some of the beautiful >>> soundscape materials as well. >>> >>> My wife and I literally sat at the edge of the stage (about 8 inches >>> away; >>> when the group did their final encore and the entire audience was on >>> its' >>> feet, Fripp leaned over and whispered that she and I might want to be >>> sitting down for it ... lol), so I have fairly complete notes on the >>> hardware and will post later today . No photos or recordings (they were >>> VERY >>> adamant about cameras and cell phones). >>> >>> Absod*mnlutely amazing ... >>> >>> Dennis >>> >> > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 6 13:01:58 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 32A973BEDC; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 13:01:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <682782.94374.qm@web34506.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <682782.94374.qm@web34506.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <4862018A-F5B1-4F66-B85E-D5FAD126817E@reyn.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: REYN Subject: Re: First posting... Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2007 14:01:54 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76050 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2007 13:01:57 +0000 (UTC) Thanks for the compliment!!! Well, it's actually not synced to anything. The Steve Reich kinda melody/pattern at the beginning on the Rhodes is the actual first loop and the rest is played on top of it. I do cheat a little bit, since the celesta that I play just before I go to the drums is not just only nice, but also cuts really nice through the mix which I use as some sort of 'click-track' to get the drums in time. Though when I play live, it's often the bass' low-end that keeps me in time. I guess as long it's not in the 'region' of the drums... Cheers, Reyn www.reyn.net On Nov 6, 2007, at 5:01 AM, wrote: > I'm stunned... That was fantastic! I'm not familiar > with the echoplex and I havn't started the whole MIDI > thing yet. How are you able to keep the drums on track > like that? > > > > www.myspace.com/mesqua > www.reverbnation.com/stevenguerrero > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 6 14:08:23 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1B4BF3BECA; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 14:08:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <20071106080816.axmsg8dfmtcw0k8s@69.89.21.76> Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2007 08:08:16 -0600 From: kkissinger@kevinkissinger.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: First posting... References: <682782.94374.qm@web34506.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4862018A-F5B1-4F66-B85E-D5FAD126817E@reyn.net> In-Reply-To: <4862018A-F5B1-4F66-B85E-D5FAD126817E@reyn.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.3) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - box76.bluehost.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - kevinkissinger.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76051 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2007 14:08:22 +0000 (UTC) Reyn, Very impressive video and music. Welcome to the LD list. All the best... -- Kevin Quoting REYN : > Thanks for the compliment!!! > > Well, it's actually not synced to anything. The Steve Reich kinda > melody/pattern at the beginning on the Rhodes is the actual first loop > and the rest is played on top of it. I do cheat a little bit, since the > celesta that I play just before I go to the drums is not just only > nice, but also cuts really nice through the mix which I use as some > sort of 'click-track' to get the drums in time. > > Though when I play live, it's often the bass' low-end that keeps me in > time. I guess as long it's not in the 'region' of the drums... > > Cheers, > > Reyn > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 6 14:51:18 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 637563BECC; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 14:51:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <02ad01c82084$73d15650$4001a8c0@pcfabio> Reply-To: "e t e r o g e n e o" From: "e t e r o g e n e o" To: References: <1BF61308-5569-4390-8CA7-BBC5486B6D00@reyn.net> Subject: Re: First posting... Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2007 15:51:02 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-Spam-Rating: smtp5.aruba.it 1.6.2 0/1000/N Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76052 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2007 14:51:18 +0000 (UTC) Welcome Reyn. Continue posting stuff like this. I like it ! Fabio www.eterogeneo.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "REYN" To: Sent: Monday, November 05, 2007 7:30 PM Subject: First posting... > Hello there people, > > I'm new here and this is my first post. I'm very much into looping for a > long time now and about time to get on this list. I really got into > looping through Jon Brion. I have been a fan from him for more then 10 > years and even saw some of his great shows in Largo in LA where he > exposed some of his impressive loopings-skills. > > I did a recording of some of my looping some while ago, and thought it > would be nice to share it with you guys. The topic is a bit strange > though. It's about the fact that I wrote music for some Commodore 64 > games a long time ago. As some kinda nostalgie I still once in a while > make an album with old C64 classics. Hence the Green Beret by Martin > Galway. Well, hope you'll enjoy: > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v8UBY8Yj9c0 > > Happy to be a part of Loopers-Delight!! > > Cheers, > > Reyn > > www.reyn.net > > > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: > 269.15.22/1112 - Release Date: 05/11/2007 19.11 > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 6 15:26:03 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A4DC33BEDA; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 15:26:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 721 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Tue, 06 Nov 2007 15:26:03 UTC Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_2ea5f144-48bd-4698-8c22-e16c2075b170_" X-Originating-IP: [212.239.212.227] From: Alec Ilyine To: Subject: unsubscribe Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2007 10:14:01 -0500 Importance: Normal MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Nov 2007 15:14:01.0314 (UTC) FILETIME=[A94D2C20:01C82087] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76053 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2007 15:26:03 +0000 (UTC) --_2ea5f144-48bd-4698-8c22-e16c2075b170_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable unsubscribe _________________________________________________________________ Help yourself to FREE treats served up daily at the Messenger Caf=E9. 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        Help yourself to FREE treats served up daily at the = Messenger Caf=E9. Stop by today!= = --_2ea5f144-48bd-4698-8c22-e16c2075b170_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 6 15:35:36 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6D36A3BEE7; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 15:35:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <4862018A-F5B1-4F66-B85E-D5FAD126817E@reyn.net> References: <682782.94374.qm@web34506.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4862018A-F5B1-4F66-B85E-D5FAD126817E@reyn.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <977c7c20cd9c73d70508e6afd4dc5d2b@charter.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?tEd_=AE_KiLLiAn?= Subject: Re: First posting... Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2007 07:35:29 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) X-Chzlrs: 0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76054 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2007 15:35:36 +0000 (UTC) Reyn, I'm a little late getting in on the listening party . . . I often am. Your piece sort of starts out a bit like some sort of Sigur Ros intro and weaves into something more akin to rockin' '80s Blue Oyster Cult jam (at times). When it get going it does rock too. I think it's great. Nicely done! Ted On Nov 6, 2007, at 5:01 AM, REYN wrote: > Thanks for the compliment!!! > > Well, it's actually not synced to anything. The Steve Reich kinda > melody/pattern at the beginning on the Rhodes is the actual first loop > and the rest is played on top of it. I do cheat a little bit, since > the celesta that I play just before I go to the drums is not just only > nice, but also cuts really nice through the mix which I use as some > sort of 'click-track' to get the drums in time. > > Though when I play live, it's often the bass' low-end that keeps me in > time. I guess as long it's not in the 'region' of the drums... > > Cheers, > > Reyn > > www.reyn.net > > > On Nov 6, 2007, at 5:01 AM, > wrote: > >> I'm stunned... That was fantastic! I'm not familiar >> with the echoplex and I havn't started the whole MIDI >> thing yet. How are you able to keep the drums on track >> like that? >> >> >> >> www.myspace.com/mesqua >> www.reverbnation.com/stevenguerrero >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 6 16:12:35 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4D3093BED8; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 16:12:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 622719140-mk-filter-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com-B2C-$THROTTLED-DYNAMIC-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 79.74.171.221 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Aj0KAB8hMEdPSqvd/2dsb2JhbACCJgSOH5Qd Message-ID: <47309260.9090309@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2007 16:12:16 +0000 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: LD Subject: Norwich Festival of Live Looping Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76055 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2007 16:12:35 +0000 (UTC) A stellar cast of loopers all together under one roof Norwich Arts Centre Bar 17 Nov 1pm till 5pm in order of appearance Stephen Scott Matt Stevens Michael Peters Darkroom(+Andy Booker on drums) andy butler ...yes, I know it looks like I'm headlining, but usually for that venue the regular punters will have mostly gone home by then, and if there's delays for any reason it's my set that gets cut short. So it's nothing on the scale of Y2Kseries, or ZurichFest, well not this year anyway. Everybody on the bill showed an interest to come to play in Norwich just for the hell of it. there's a nice poster for those who like that sort of thing http://www.andybutler.com/poster/loopfest.jpg andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 6 16:30:20 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A4C953BEDD; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 16:30:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-priority:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; bh=0ddkbg/oopyU39cyXaWhIMGn5dmImywhkcTGfO4a3V8=; b=tg9KAGoSIFOQwtRCALv58e0UGQqDZF8a2U1FZ0iE0ZRLid99ECGgUfb4Md1tY9ZEhd9HGq1C2gIXp+1kUe5giX7Vq1gOBXCE5JJ23cGFi8fU+aTfQKGrA3qwwYeSIblPzGXDsyt3om+CEcO3M25OIUUdNYox0kLOk/THfRv6frU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-priority:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=Eod6g25YjVz4lyVuEy3N8fACoydHQm2nhyMgMVyccnbfq9/GTVEi40Ia0zivt+b3HMOUI8SOIRDJ3E5CIwh6Exb4jMyEqobXUVfn3WUKUBlMyMHTpwY2B77wn7DwD1taL+KGXGbPrRErQbh4SQ0FKeazPl/1bIjSvVjj1nA2eMo= In-Reply-To: <02ad01c82084$73d15650$4001a8c0@pcfabio> References: <1BF61308-5569-4390-8CA7-BBC5486B6D00@reyn.net> <02ad01c82084$73d15650$4001a8c0@pcfabio> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: First posting... Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2007 17:30:13 +0100 To: Loopers X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76056 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2007 16:30:20 +0000 (UTC) ----- Original Message ----- From: "REYN" >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v8UBY8Yj9c0 >> Happy to be a part of Loopers-Delight!! Welcome into the loop, Reyn. It's nice to hear and see "recording style looping" performed so well! Last year at the Santa Cruz International Live Looping Festival there was a guy from Finland, Miro, who also did this sort of looping; following the Tubular Bells concept of adding different instrument lines to create a complex final texture. The other concept, also represented by members on this list, would be to treat the looper as a kind of instrument and make music partially dependent on loopers for its sound. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 6 18:08:38 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 716233BED8; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 18:08:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Subject: RE: Norwich Festival of Live Looping Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2007 19:07:52 +0100 Message-ID: <200711061808.lA6I8ZNM012488@hermes.ramstein.af.mil> In-Reply-To: <47309260.9090309@tiscali.co.uk> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Norwich Festival of Live Looping Thread-Index: Acggj9mDwQxU3KOWQiSvba1yQ1rJowAD3gTg References: <47309260.9090309@tiscali.co.uk> From: "Moore, David W Civ 86 MXS/MXMTA" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Nov 2007 18:08:35.0660 (UTC) FILETIME=[0C7F88C0:01C820A0] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76057 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2007 18:08:38 +0000 (UTC) Looks cool! Pardon me for being ignorant, but is that Stephen scott who did minervas web? I have been looking for other stuff by him! I bought Minervas Web, seems like 20 years ago! And I still think it is one of the most beautiful cd's ever! Can someone send me links to Stephen scott info? david moore transient alert 86 mxs/mxmta 480-2061/5378 -----Original Message----- From: andy butler [mailto:akbutler@tiscali.co.uk]=20 Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2007 5:12 PM To: LD Subject: Norwich Festival of Live Looping A stellar cast of loopers all together under one roof Norwich Arts Centre Bar 17 Nov 1pm till 5pm in order of appearance Stephen Scott Matt Stevens Michael Peters Darkroom(+Andy Booker on drums) andy butler ...yes, I know it looks like I'm headlining, but usually for that venue=20 the regular punters will have mostly gone home by then, and if there's=20 delays for any reason it's my set that gets cut short. So it's nothing on the scale of Y2Kseries, or ZurichFest, well not this=20 year anyway. Everybody on the bill showed an interest to come to play in Norwich just for the hell of it. there's a nice poster for those who like that sort of thing http://www.andybutler.com/poster/loopfest.jpg andy butler From refund@irs.gov Tue Nov 6 18:26:19 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 722 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Tue, 06 Nov 2007 18:26:19 UTC Received: from server.duluthtimber.com (server.duluthtimber.com [66.173.67.246]) by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CBC223BED9 for ; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 18:26:19 +0000 (UTC) Received: from User ([67.37.18.250]) by server.duluthtimber.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Tue, 6 Nov 2007 12:05:49 -0600 Reply-To: From: "Internal Revenue Service" Subject: After the last annual calculations of your fiscal activity we have determined that you are eligible to receive a tax refund of $279.30. 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ZLROQQCDZYLHIHMQGHERZPJDWCKJPUEHGPGEDZ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 6 18:54:47 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B7AA83BED2; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 18:54:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=zNxyw0FZzgCQoxNF/iXPHuoY13HS0mAgT5H5bSafNRrEvCEi7cxqAI20KpEbboZ4d3f+c6m9Wjr9Tz57Md4d3N04msd9b7oGdlYQBbIjWAZKrwDRHnyDCzLga+LeeVEyDaXW/WpX6iH+WNJ0p2ap0Nr71w0vLmci1oEU+IYgsz0=; X-YMail-OSG: BlnQ.iwVM1m82Av51Mxz7DPG6aM2avJSh_6Q0Ns5QKAX8MIWKMwpb2soxHB5S7iH5A-- Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2007 10:54:46 -0800 (PST) From: Subject: Re: First posting... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <4862018A-F5B1-4F66-B85E-D5FAD126817E@reyn.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <320685.32905.qm@web34502.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: <09LeX.A.xtD.3hLMHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76058 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2007 18:54:47 +0000 (UTC) I see.... I thought it was some super secret technocratic type thing. I've had difficulty with drummers attempting to do the same thing and it never works out as smoothly as your demonstration. Again... great tune. --- REYN wrote: > Thanks for the compliment!!! > > Well, it's actually not synced to anything. The > Steve Reich kinda > melody/pattern at the beginning on the Rhodes is the > actual first > loop and the rest is played on top of it. I do cheat > a little bit, > since the celesta that I play just before I go to > the drums is not > just only nice, but also cuts really nice through > the mix which I use > as some sort of 'click-track' to get the drums in > time. > > Though when I play live, it's often the bass' > low-end that keeps me > in time. I guess as long it's not in the 'region' of > the drums... > > Cheers, > > Reyn > > www.reyn.net > > > On Nov 6, 2007, at 5:01 AM, > > wrote: > > > I'm stunned... That was fantastic! I'm not > familiar > > with the echoplex and I havn't started the whole > MIDI > > thing yet. How are you able to keep the drums on > track > > like that? > > > > > > > > www.myspace.com/mesqua > > www.reverbnation.com/stevenguerrero > > > > www.myspace.com/mesqua www.reverbnation.com/stevenguerrero __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 6 19:01:44 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 01ABE3BEDA; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 19:01:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 631672754-mk-filter-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com-B2C-$THROTTLED-DYNAMIC-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 79.74.171.221 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Aj0KADNJMEdPSqvd/2dsb2JhbACCJgSOIJQm Message-ID: <4730BA4E.7010707@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2007 19:02:38 +0000 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Norwich Festival of Live Looping References: <47309260.9090309@tiscali.co.uk> <200711061808.lA6I8ZNM012488@hermes.ramstein.af.mil> In-Reply-To: <200711061808.lA6I8ZNM012488@hermes.ramstein.af.mil> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <_zKoUC.A.t9D.XoLMHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76059 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2007 19:01:43 +0000 (UTC) Hi David, afaik that's a different Stephen Scott. there are links to Stephens site on www.andybutler.com I think it's www.myspace.com/sylvianfisher You might be interested in a Michael Peters album, somewhat related the the bowed piano ideas of the non-looping Stephen Scott http://www.burningshed.com/store/michaelpeters/product/39/64/ thanks andy butler Moore, David W Civ 86 MXS/MXMTA wrote: > Looks cool! Pardon me for being ignorant, but is that Stephen scott who > did minervas web? I have been looking for other stuff by him! I bought > Minervas Web, seems like 20 years ago! And I still think it is one of > the most beautiful cd's ever! Can someone send me links to Stephen scott > info? > > david moore > transient alert > 86 mxs/mxmta > 480-2061/5378 > > -----Original Message----- > From: andy butler [mailto:akbutler@tiscali.co.uk] > Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2007 5:12 PM > To: LD > Subject: Norwich Festival of Live Looping > > A stellar cast of loopers all together under one roof > > Norwich Arts Centre Bar 17 Nov 1pm till 5pm > > in order of appearance > > Stephen Scott > Matt Stevens > Michael Peters > Darkroom(+Andy Booker on drums) > andy butler > > ...yes, I know it looks like I'm headlining, but usually for that venue > the regular punters will have mostly gone home by then, and if there's > delays for any reason it's my set that gets cut short. > > So it's nothing on the scale of Y2Kseries, or ZurichFest, well not this > year anyway. > Everybody on the bill showed an interest to come to play in Norwich just > > for the hell of it. > > there's a nice poster for those who like that sort of thing > > http://www.andybutler.com/poster/loopfest.jpg > > andy butler > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 6 19:10:57 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A6AD73BEC7; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 19:10:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 399 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Tue, 06 Nov 2007 19:10:57 UTC DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=WtOhTMSSGZkaH681fhWqT6E1ZNvqkc06N7Wwhou6tfTT3d32KJfvCnFvbT5mrpsOH648g2wFK2+PDjj2tw+3s04qzTe0sFNm6DIKp2z2bea4cp3j+tPu+URjsxLjAoCK+9U89eHodIvrE4EOCdH0OE8CZUnlpX1wq7C197F1feA=; X-YMail-OSG: J06FLCwVM1nEVjs2_f848pf_IzvYA5IPd7PbaWCkWHwMJFaGjw.k0VpL1fRwEgovcTy44.szjgFJj_c_oF3Fw.o5iS8p4qzx0GwN.7TKQTLo33Tpqp0- Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2007 11:04:17 -0800 (PST) From: Stephen Scott Subject: RE: Norwich Festival of Live Looping To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <200711061808.lA6I8ZNM012488@hermes.ramstein.af.mil> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-46397316-1194375857=:90465" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <440903.90465.qm@web53012.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: <7C7W2D.A.ASE.BxLMHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76060 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2007 19:10:57 +0000 (UTC) --0-46397316-1194375857=:90465 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit 'Fraid not, I'm another Stephen Scott! "Moore, David W Civ 86 MXS/MXMTA" wrote: Looks cool! Pardon me for being ignorant, but is that Stephen scott who did minervas web? I have been looking for other stuff by him! I bought Minervas Web, seems like 20 years ago! And I still think it is one of the most beautiful cd's ever! Can someone send me links to Stephen scott info? david moore transient alert 86 mxs/mxmta 480-2061/5378 -----Original Message----- From: andy butler [mailto:akbutler@tiscali.co.uk] Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2007 5:12 PM To: LD Subject: Norwich Festival of Live Looping A stellar cast of loopers all together under one roof Norwich Arts Centre Bar 17 Nov 1pm till 5pm in order of appearance Stephen Scott Matt Stevens Michael Peters Darkroom(+Andy Booker on drums) andy butler ...yes, I know it looks like I'm headlining, but usually for that venue the regular punters will have mostly gone home by then, and if there's delays for any reason it's my set that gets cut short. So it's nothing on the scale of Y2Kseries, or ZurichFest, well not this year anyway. Everybody on the bill showed an interest to come to play in Norwich just for the hell of it. there's a nice poster for those who like that sort of thing http://www.andybutler.com/poster/loopfest.jpg andy butler __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com --0-46397316-1194375857=:90465 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit 'Fraid not, I'm another Stephen Scott!

        "Moore, David W Civ 86 MXS/MXMTA" <David.Moore@ramstein.af.mil> wrote:
        Looks cool! Pardon me for being ignorant, but is that Stephen scott who
        did minervas web? I have been looking for other stuff by him! I bought
        Minervas Web, seems like 20 years ago! And I still think it is one of
        the most beautiful cd's ever! Can someone send me links to Stephen scott
        info?

        david moore
        transient alert
        86 mxs/mxmta
        480-2061/5378

        -----Original Message-----
        From: andy butler [mailto:akbutler@tiscali.co.uk]
        Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2007 5:12 PM
        To: LD
        Subject: Norwich Festival of Live Looping

        A stellar cast of loopers all together under one roof

        Norwich Arts Centre Bar 17 Nov 1pm till 5pm

        in order of appearance

        Stephen Scott
        Matt Stevens
        Michael Peters
        Darkroom(+Andy Booker on drums)
        andy butler

        ...yes, I know it looks like I'm headlining, but usually for that venue
        the regular punters will have mostly gone home by then, and if there's
        delays for any reason it's my set that gets cut short.

        So it's nothing on the scale of Y2Kseries, or ZurichFest, well not this
        year anyway.
        Everybody on the bill showed an interest to come to play in Norwich just

        for the hell of it.

        there's a nice poster for those who like that sort of thing

        http://www.andybutler.com/poster/loopfest.jpg

        andy butler


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        http://mail.yahoo.com --0-46397316-1194375857=:90465-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 6 19:35:58 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CAB6A3BED5; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 19:35:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; bh=IIYtJgEZNSzUsM23bkJnGpZdZr/gGnzXWsnMHNkqE3U=; b=Qy9BWInyO+0yh0juTg5jTxp9ocnVpLwbUcMznGAuC9ifrGbHxLvO6DCjnPNdFAnzDMv8cBB3LiyFoZ9yFabvb3YPA0Xu+TjrR2Nzu72ndk8Ik5mmRoneD/J1p6qmMGbjHiyZFnxyRFOgA67vvpVpOJWiLT9BnGT+/FGU3aEGVXA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=QDWSytWdNu33d2D9TQLYNMGqQ5HGdXfNARhEvN0huKWc9KlmlBXX1EiE4NrftmhRB8FOR3Gpy4gIec5Hb1OQ4zlinHykdICtFcOsNb4keQBBR2paRLDUC2tzDLYSPOG0PMPgwJgfBOQ/4ukT9DrMrPVBZ2eEDL8qQgQjwdVNF58= Message-ID: Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2007 14:35:57 -0500 From: "Tony K" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Mackie control surface emulator MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76061 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2007 19:35:58 +0000 (UTC) this looks useful. http://home.earthlink.net/~flipotto/ turn your midi controller into a Mackie Control Universal. -- -==-=-=- Tony From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 6 20:11:51 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9C3DA3BED9; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 20:11:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Subject: RE: Norwich Festival of Live Looping Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2007 21:11:47 +0100 Message-ID: <200711062011.lA6KBnNM006332@hermes.ramstein.af.mil> In-Reply-To: <440903.90465.qm@web53012.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Norwich Festival of Live Looping Thread-Index: AcggqMR81SGz1fotQrqjmeNWJshangACHOdg References: <200711061808.lA6I8ZNM012488@hermes.ramstein.af.mil> <440903.90465.qm@web53012.mail.re2.yahoo.com> From: "Moore, David W Civ 86 MXS/MXMTA" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Nov 2007 20:11:49.0215 (UTC) FILETIME=[43667EF0:01C820B1] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76062 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2007 20:11:51 +0000 (UTC) Have you ever bowed a piano? david moore transient alert 86 mxs/mxmta 480-2061/5378 -----Original Message----- From: Stephen Scott [mailto:stevoj@yahoo.com]=20 Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2007 8:04 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Norwich Festival of Live Looping 'Fraid not, I'm another Stephen Scott! "Moore, David W Civ 86 MXS/MXMTA" wrote: Looks cool! Pardon me for being ignorant, but is that Stephen scott who did minervas web? I have been looking for other stuff by him! I bought Minervas Web, seems like 20 years ago! And I still think it is one of the most beautiful cd's ever! Can someone send me links to Stephen scott info? =09 david moore transient alert 86 mxs/mxmta 480-2061/5378 =09 -----Original Message----- From: andy butler [mailto:akbutler@tiscali.co.uk]=20 Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2007 5:12 PM To: LD Subject: Norwich Festival of Live Looping =09 A stellar cast of loopers all together under one roof =09 Norwich Arts Centre Bar 17 Nov 1pm till 5pm =09 in order of appearance =09 Stephen Scott Matt Stevens Michael Peters Darkroom(+Andy Booker on drums) andy butler =09 ...yes, I know it looks like I'm headlining, but usually for that venue=20 the regular punters will have mostly gone home by then, and if there's=20 delays for any reason it's my set that gets cut short. =09 So it's nothing on the scale of Y2Kseries, or ZurichFest, well not this=20 year anyway. Everybody on the bill showed an interest to come to play in Norwich just =09 for the hell of it. =09 there's a nice poster for those who like that sort of thing =09 http://www.andybutler.com/poster/loopfest.jpg =09 andy butler =09 =09 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around=20 http://mail.yahoo.com=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 6 20:36:20 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0E50B3BECD; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 20:36:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4730D03A.2000802@mhorse.com> Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2007 14:36:10 -0600 From: Daryl Shawn User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.13 (Windows/20070809) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Shepard tone References: <20071104184355.AAC4F3BED9@arsenic.violacea.com> In-Reply-To: <20071104184355.AAC4F3BED9@arsenic.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <7OpvmC.A.5WH.DBNMHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76063 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2007 20:36:20 +0000 (UTC) Perhaps most people are familiar with this, but this blows my mind...a "Shepard tone", created of a particular combination of sine waves, which makes it seem as if the tone is continuously descending without ever reaching bottom. A loop that simply repeats, while only APPEARING to evolve...awesome. here's a direct link to a nicely done clip on Wikipedia: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/61/DescenteInfinie.ogg Also thanks to all who responded to the square wave modulation question, very interesting stuff. Makes me wanna get one of them old Lexicons. Daryl Shawn www.swanwelder.com www.chinapaintingmusic.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 6 20:36:21 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 045DF3BEEC; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 20:36:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=JzXsmiVfbMbmn13dsV3bnJfGqf9rlHcsWwcEGX5wfiA590Ol8Rwt+NJRi+SpRO5G/gGnXVoEyE5tYzg96SX1YLc3qXV5yFFcgg+jcK6XzkNGsnlEBpKeNwzPh7HeXbaUp+ho0dsivl9NTH7sfgcD8tobgm0TFIGtP1hV/DsZZw0=; X-YMail-OSG: duIeFhoVM1loB0DH9s5kYC483WdsFEhi3cZNFaifg0GF4Hy.c8uPXS7dc8dRnZl0kaSHUJwgv.Ef6EdSR8DNuYh.2o6G1T4ocyxrKwKV4GmRgAQZM9c- Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2007 12:36:18 -0800 (PST) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: Re: First posting... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <320685.32905.qm@web34502.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <949433.80990.qm@web38608.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76064 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2007 20:36:21 +0000 (UTC) Hey Reyn, what is that pedal you have connected to the Rhodes? > > > Thanks for the compliment!!! > > > > Well, it's actually not synced to anything. The > > Steve Reich kinda > > melody/pattern at the beginning on the Rhodes is > the > > actual first > > loop and the rest is played on top of it. I do > cheat > > a little bit, > > since the celesta that I play just before I go to > > the drums is not > > just only nice, but also cuts really nice through > > the mix which I use > > as some sort of 'click-track' to get the drums in > > time. > > > > Though when I play live, it's often the bass' > > low-end that keeps me > > in time. I guess as long it's not in the 'region' > of > > the drums... > > > > Cheers, > > > > Reyn > > > > www.reyn.net > > > > > > On Nov 6, 2007, at 5:01 AM, > > > > > wrote: > > > > > I'm stunned... That was fantastic! I'm not > > familiar > > > with the echoplex and I havn't started the whole > > MIDI > > > thing yet. How are you able to keep the drums on > > track > > > like that? > > > > > > > > > > > > www.myspace.com/mesqua > > > www.reverbnation.com/stevenguerrero > > > > > > > > > > > www.myspace.com/mesqua > www.reverbnation.com/stevenguerrero > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 6 20:46:59 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9CB353BED9; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 20:46:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <380-22007112620464457@M2W037.mail2web.com> X-Priority: 3 Reply-To: qua@oregon.com X-Originating-IP: 134.134.136.4 X-URL: http://mail2web.com/ From: "qua@oregon.com" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Shepard tone Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2007 15:46:44 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76065 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2007 20:46:59 +0000 (UTC) Intersting! interactive demos : http://www=2Eexploratorium=2Eedu/exhibits/highest=5Fnote/ex=2Eabout=2Efr=2E= html -Qua Original Message: ----------------- From: Daryl Shawn highhorse@mhorse=2Ecom Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2007 14:36:10 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight=2Ecom Subject: Shepard tone Perhaps most people are familiar with this, but this blows my mind=2E=2E=2E= a=20 "Shepard tone", created of a particular combination of sine waves, which=20= makes it seem as if the tone is continuously descending without ever=20 reaching bottom=2E A loop that simply repeats, while only APPEARING to=20 evolve=2E=2E=2Eawesome=2E here's a direct link to a nicely done clip on Wikipedia: http://upload=2Ewikimedia=2Eorg/wikipedia/commons/6/61/DescenteInfinie=2Eo= gg Also thanks to all who responded to the square wave modulation question,=20= very interesting stuff=2E Makes me wanna get one of them old Lexicons=2E Daryl Shawn www=2Eswanwelder=2Ecom www=2Echinapaintingmusic=2Ecom -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web=2Ecom =96 Enhanced email for the mobile individual based on Micro= soft=AE Exchange - http://link=2Email2web=2Ecom/Personal/EnhancedEmail From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 6 20:51:08 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8A1153BED8; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 20:51:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=S9RSW8meAfZRh8eUqB17n/eveqlf4DIm9iHlhSFcMHE20JCCNcVs9PGXn43D0QjruJ7dSdOmFZmiRhqyuGMfdH0PP0GsCyhYM95jWcFH6rG4bQmyjrqDgAOhFOgsR/D/IHEGuzXzP6YyWLfYcV3zUWWsWQ1EJ7atm0S5mqPeDAk=; X-YMail-OSG: rYMh3pEVM1kFUieQTjscKj1H.hxT0YdrE8PdnVcPznzuGLT3vY7hcNCEQ2jHg78WmeAzZRYGxGh.zVXXwvSOAN_mND_8OiPCpah_6eijuEGAX1qBYdA- Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2007 12:51:06 -0800 (PST) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: Re: (A little OT) Robert Fripp and LoCG Sighting/ "Beyond Even" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <003701c8206d$52a30a80$0201a8c0@eluk1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <960743.40228.qm@web38611.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76066 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2007 20:51:08 +0000 (UTC) That would be really nice Dennis, Fripps rack has always interested me and it seem to keep evolving cheers Luis so I have fairly > complete notes on the > >>> hardware and will post later today . No photos > or recordings (they were > >>> VERY > >>> adamant about cameras and cell phones). > >>> > >>> Absod*mnlutely amazing ... > >>> > >>> Dennis > >>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 6 21:17:20 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EF65B3BED5; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 21:17:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=ho9qXRqu/qlZu579z94ms3/XgLTtSWsBLceXg1byZwHM9gFdpOkq8QopLinQQB8E; h=Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:To:Subject:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Message-ID: <2292471.1194383837691.JavaMail.root@elwamui-chisos.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2007 13:17:17 -0800 (GMT-08:00) From: stanitarium@earthlink.net Reply-To: stanitarium@earthlink.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Shepard tone Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: EarthLink Zoo Mail 1.0 X-ELNK-Trace: e4eaaa48e0468cfae77aa5cb369a9f3f9ef193a6bfc3dd48996848c4574a14235734327b81a37dfd667c3043c0873f7e350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.224.31 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76067 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2007 21:17:19 +0000 (UTC) hey! i got a bunch o' them 'old Lexicons'... never thought about selling one. it would probably be cost prohibitive for most anyone :-( s >Also thanks to all who responded to the square wave modulation question, >very interesting stuff. Makes me wanna get one of them old Lexicons. >Daryl Shawn From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 6 21:47:30 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AD4913BEE0; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 21:47:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; bh=l4iMD0y4FOOr52gX8IQG+1ylAbN58j+VRcsOyO3TkWU=; b=ST3EbFnR3SE2IGn24XxStY4I00ebRhQ2kqliBd8n3uWBP+ZYWZ6ESitJcWiy3dXLcnV0gveedwRNBYp1xFZs2SZvUhOjX42/dpk9as3rxhKJkMAz9c4k+xYgveiWUr3ZPi+7TF3hfegXRyyUAZXomrYDQik3AD0+VYfIfkNRgZY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=KrdscJ5xs8x4WDlJWubpHI7cx5Tyh31pqYz9vTSim3DVPnVJTKqSFTZpn2pw05hrmqS4v4+IORVDEgC7wQeM4k5JB5K2XRjWJRUtzlU1GxfMU37cgfvIK3VaoxR6zctg6cEpt8XT4rqUlQQLZJGIP1+t/khvYqscs1FGtlCb0Dc= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <4730D03A.2000802@mhorse.com> References: <20071104184355.AAC4F3BED9@arsenic.violacea.com> <4730D03A.2000802@mhorse.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Shepard tone Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2007 22:47:20 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76068 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2007 21:47:30 +0000 (UTC) On 6 nov 2007, at 21.36, Daryl Shawn wrote: > "Shepard tone" Very interesting! At http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shepard_tone I found > consider a brass trio consisting of a trumpet, a horn, and a tuba. > They all start to play a repeating C scale (C-D-E-F-G-A-B-C) in > their respective ranges, i.e. they all start playing C's, but their > notes are all in different octaves. When they reach the G of the > scale, the trumpet drops down an octave, but the horn and tuba > continue climbing. They're all still playing the same pitch class, > but at different octaves. When they reach the B, the horn similarly > drops down an octave, but the trumpet and tuba continue to climb, > and when they get to what would be the second D of the scale, the > tuba drops down to repeat the last seven notes of the scale. So no > instrument ever exceeds an octave range, and essentially keeps > playing the exact same seven notes over and over again. But because > two of the instruments are always "covering" the one that drops > down an octave, it seems that the scale never stops rising. > Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 6 22:17:38 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F2C593BED5; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 22:17:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <4730D03A.2000802@mhorse.com> References: <20071104184355.AAC4F3BED9@arsenic.violacea.com> <4730D03A.2000802@mhorse.com> Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2007 16:17:32 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Mech Subject: Re: Shepard tone Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76069 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2007 22:17:37 +0000 (UTC) At 2:36 PM -0600 11/6/07, Daryl Shawn wrote: >Perhaps most people are familiar with this, but this blows my >mind...a "Shepard tone", created of a particular combination of sine >waves, which makes it seem as if the tone is continuously descending >without ever reaching bottom. A loop that simply repeats, while only >APPEARING to evolve...awesome. > >here's a direct link to a nicely done clip on Wikipedia: >http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/61/DescenteInfinie.ogg Relatedly, check out Oli Larkin's "Endless Series" VST effect bundle ( http://www.olilarkin.co.uk/index.php?p=eseries ) which features effects based upon practical applications of the Shepard/Risset tones -- endless flanging, phasing, pitch shifting, etc. I haven't tried them out yet (just found this info myself last week on kvr-vst.com) but they look pretty interesting on paper. Another good example of Shepard tones is in "Loom", the last song from Yellow Magic Orchestra's 1981 release 'BGM' (whick, along with 'Technodelic', also happens to be quite possibly one of their two finest albums, IMNSHO). The first minutes of the song are based primarily around a rising Shepard tone series. Additionally, the Wikipedia entry mentions that this song is a reworking of "The Infinite Space Octave" -- a tune released by their computer programer Hideki Matsutake. That last fact was news even to me. (Okay, so I'm feeling a bit like "meaningless-trivia-r-us" today...) --m. -- _____ "I want to keep you alive so there is always the possibility of murder... later" From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 6 22:22:13 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id ED0443BEDA; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 22:22:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: References: <20071104184355.AAC4F3BED9@arsenic.violacea.com> <4730D03A.2000802@mhorse.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <48f59b9e5bea27d55e0428771e051a9f@charter.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?tEd_=AE_KiLLiAn?= Subject: Re: Shepard tone Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2007 14:22:10 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) X-Chzlrs: 0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76070 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2007 22:22:13 +0000 (UTC) Hi all, I've also heard it referred to as a "barber poll" tone. I suppose it applies whether it is ascending or descending. James Tenney created an electronic composition at Bell Labs in the early 1960s that was essentially just this sort of thing. I have a recording of it somewhere. Cheers, Ted On Nov 6, 2007, at 1:47 PM, Per Boysen wrote: > On 6 nov 2007, at 21.36, Daryl Shawn wrote: > >> "Shepard tone" > > > Very interesting! At http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shepard_tone I found >> consider a brass trio consisting of a trumpet, a horn, and a tuba. >> They all start to play a repeating C scale (C-D-E-F-G-A-B-C) in their >> respective ranges, i.e. they all start playing C's, but their notes >> are all in different octaves. When they reach the G of the scale, the >> trumpet drops down an octave, but the horn and tuba continue >> climbing. They're all still playing the same pitch class, but at >> different octaves. When they reach the B, the horn similarly drops >> down an octave, but the trumpet and tuba continue to climb, and when >> they get to what would be the second D of the scale, the tuba drops >> down to repeat the last seven notes of the scale. So no instrument >> ever exceeds an octave range, and essentially keeps playing the exact >> same seven notes over and over again. But because two of the >> instruments are always "covering" the one that drops down an octave, >> it seems that the scale never stops rising. >> > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > www.looproom.com (international) > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 6 22:33:13 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5CDBE3BEF1; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 22:33:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "nick@12testing.net" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2007 22:32:52 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Shepard tone Reply-To: nick@12testing.net Message-ID: <4730EB94.30738.31212CD@nick.12testing.net> Priority: normal In-reply-to: <4730D03A.2000802@mhorse.com> References: <4730D03A.2000802@mhorse.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.41) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76071 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2007 22:33:13 +0000 (UTC) On 6 Nov 2007 at 14:36, Daryl Shawn wrote: > Perhaps most people are familiar with this, but this blows my mind...a > "Shepard tone", created of a particular combination of sine waves, I didn't know what it was called, but the clip you link to is amazing - thanks for sharing it. There's a similar effect (in reverse) at the end of Floyd's "echoes", where things rise and keep rising. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 6 22:35:27 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AEAB53BEE7; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 22:35:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=6LSploOUKr5v7hcWGBS9zvnltoz1mohsvY0gQyJlRe/IpblmHy0ANPdXbEMAmZyX5ExGaxh8Z893UrjaClvcG07MZ4FeOVnchN0K8QT/IcXKXAOx4SJMO/eRSdQFlnUr46joenb5p747Uy2ocylth1YI2RiKC0eUKcDAhK68Tgg=; X-YMail-OSG: DMDobasVM1nhmvdS1Sv7EEG984d7F_CO6A1fneQIAwkAAI7HuJMS_IyjG_wEyu0iFQ-- Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2007 14:35:25 -0800 (PST) From: bill bigrig Subject: Re: Shepard tone To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <48f59b9e5bea27d55e0428771e051a9f@charter.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <294211.45290.qm@web32702.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: <4o8yDD.A.yzE.vwOMHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76072 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2007 22:35:27 +0000 (UTC) A big western howdy, I once ran sound for a country/western band. At one point the girl singer would hold a high note for some time. I would be ready with my ibanez fine delay control full up. When she hit the note, i'd send it to the delay and slowly turn the knob down(longer delay time). It also sounded like it'd never stop. Until i got to the end of the control knob range of course. Rig --- tEd ® KiLLiAn wrote: > Hi all, > > I've also heard it referred to as a "barber poll" > tone. > > I suppose it applies whether it is ascending or > descending. > > James Tenney created an electronic composition at > Bell Labs in the > early 1960s that was essentially just this sort of > thing. > > I have a recording of it somewhere. > > Cheers, > > Ted > > On Nov 6, 2007, at 1:47 PM, Per Boysen wrote: > > > On 6 nov 2007, at 21.36, Daryl Shawn wrote: > > > >> "Shepard tone" > > > > > > Very interesting! At > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shepard_tone I found > >> consider a brass trio consisting of a trumpet, a > horn, and a tuba. > >> They all start to play a repeating C scale > (C-D-E-F-G-A-B-C) in their > >> respective ranges, i.e. they all start playing > C's, but their notes > >> are all in different octaves. When they reach the > G of the scale, the > >> trumpet drops down an octave, but the horn and > tuba continue > >> climbing. They're all still playing the same > pitch class, but at > >> different octaves. When they reach the B, the > horn similarly drops > >> down an octave, but the trumpet and tuba continue > to climb, and when > >> they get to what would be the second D of the > scale, the tuba drops > >> down to repeat the last seven notes of the scale. > So no instrument > >> ever exceeds an octave range, and essentially > keeps playing the exact > >> same seven notes over and over again. But because > two of the > >> instruments are always "covering" the one that > drops down an octave, > >> it seems that the scale never stops rising. > >> > > > > Greetings from Sweden > > > > Per Boysen > > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > > www.looproom.com (international) > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 7 00:08:56 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 602D03BEE2; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 00:08:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 917 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Wed, 07 Nov 2007 00:08:55 UTC In-Reply-To: <8168DCDB-D442-4D0D-A93A-2EBC074FF80F@reyn.net> References: <835428.86844.qm@web38601.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <8168DCDB-D442-4D0D-A93A-2EBC074FF80F@reyn.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <257968C5-D720-496E-9C2E-2BEA1C3CB2F7@atarde.com.br> Cc: Andy Ewen Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: First posting... Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2007 21:08:42 -0300 To: Loop List X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at atarde.com.br Resent-Message-ID: <_q8WjC.A.WfH.XIQMHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76073 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2007 00:08:56 +0000 (UTC) with three EDPs, BrotherSync should work, Rayn! the first fix we recommend is to exchange the crystals of older (cream) units to match the newer (black) better. did you know about that? Let me see wether Andy still has some! yes, Stephan Eicher is one of the best known singers in Switzerland, I am happy to learn that you manage to present his music with loops! I liked your videos, too, great playing and you find smoth ends... success! Matthias On 5 Nov 2007, at 21:51, REYN wrote: > Thanks Luis! > > I use 2 Gibson Echoplex machines. And I love them! > > Little question here: I'm doing a tour with an artist called > Stephan Eicher and we use 3 Echoplexes separate. First I had 2 > Brother synced and one synced though beatsync, but that wasn't > always flawless. Now I have the stereo cable (brothersync) of the > first splitted into 2 stereo cables that go to the other 2 > Echoplexes' brothersyncs which works fine now. But on rare > occasions (though pretty nasty when you're on live stage) it looses > sync halfway or starts recording or goes into overdub without > touching it. > > Is this way of doing this illegal in any sense or is one of the > cables too long (which is like between 5 and 7 meters to go to the > other side of the stage)? Or is there maybe another solution? Every > Echoplex should be synced to each other, but should be able to > record and overdub freely. > > Cheers, > > Reyn > > www.reyn.net > > > On Nov 6, 2007, at 1:31 AM, L.A. Angulo wrote: > >> great tune Reyn good looping!what gear are u using? >> cheers >> Luis >> >> >> >> --- REYN wrote: >> >>> Hello there people, >>> >>> I'm new here and this is my first post. I'm very >>> much into looping >>> for a long time now and about time to get on this >>> list. I really got >>> into looping through Jon Brion. I have been a fan >>> from him for more >>> then 10 years and even saw some of his great shows >>> in Largo in LA >>> where he exposed some of his impressive >>> loopings-skills. >>> >>> I did a recording of some of my looping some while >>> ago, and thought >>> it would be nice to share it with you guys. The >>> topic is a bit >>> strange though. It's about the fact that I wrote >>> music for some >>> Commodore 64 games a long time ago. As some kinda >>> nostalgie I still >>> once in a while make an album with old C64 classics. >>> Hence the Green >>> Beret by Martin Galway. Well, hope you'll enjoy: >>> >>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v8UBY8Yj9c0 >>> >>> Happy to be a part of Loopers-Delight!! >>> >>> Cheers, >>> >>> Reyn >>> >>> www.reyn.net >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> www.myspace.com/luisangulocom >> >> __________________________________________________ >> Do You Yahoo!? >> Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around >> http://mail.yahoo.com >> >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 7 00:18:39 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 29AAA3BEE2; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 00:18:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=j7/7LuuESNpcf8JnYhbDVRvdi4eIt8+NFPKZhkRXrwUKEe0GW7lLn4y/SipQjmllvuAox9tJ0eeb8xqSnwZHSMBaxprIqrjKcyL5nJmiekWqaB3/WOU18rvoWPa5+LChrM4D6EC1nJPrwxFxBw4msuAAJFBo52sjE/Z6LHIRJLw=; X-YMail-OSG: _oBVp7YVM1ka9MkE_2yVh5MND8bOwq_MdDV7KIe3qQGAwgholDI5fWZCQck3MhLmwA-- Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2007 16:18:37 -0800 (PST) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: Re: First posting... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <257968C5-D720-496E-9C2E-2BEA1C3CB2F7@atarde.com.br> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <612035.74610.qm@web38606.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76074 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2007 00:18:39 +0000 (UTC) Matthias your EDPs must be different or i got lemons because i went throught it all,bought the crystals,had ´em on my EDP oberheim installed,didnt work with my gibson EDP pro,sold it,got a black face still didnt sync,sold the cream one got another black one and finally they managed to sync better but not always, i would say 80% of the time ... cheers Luis --- Matthias Grob wrote: > with three EDPs, BrotherSync should work, Rayn! > > the first fix we recommend is to exchange the > crystals of older > (cream) units to match the newer (black) better. > did you know about that? Let me see wether Andy > still has some! > > yes, Stephan Eicher is one of the best known singers > in Switzerland, > I am happy to learn that you manage to present his > music with loops! > > I liked your videos, too, great playing and you find > smoth ends... > success! > Matthias > > > On 5 Nov 2007, at 21:51, REYN wrote: > > > Thanks Luis! > > > > I use 2 Gibson Echoplex machines. And I love them! > > > > Little question here: I'm doing a tour with an > artist called > > Stephan Eicher and we use 3 Echoplexes separate. > First I had 2 > > Brother synced and one synced though beatsync, but > that wasn't > > always flawless. Now I have the stereo cable > (brothersync) of the > > first splitted into 2 stereo cables that go to the > other 2 > > Echoplexes' brothersyncs which works fine now. But > on rare > > occasions (though pretty nasty when you're on live > stage) it looses > > sync halfway or starts recording or goes into > overdub without > > touching it. > > > > Is this way of doing this illegal in any sense or > is one of the > > cables too long (which is like between 5 and 7 > meters to go to the > > other side of the stage)? Or is there maybe > another solution? Every > > Echoplex should be synced to each other, but > should be able to > > record and overdub freely. > > > > Cheers, > > > > Reyn > > > > www.reyn.net > > > > > > On Nov 6, 2007, at 1:31 AM, L.A. Angulo wrote: > > > >> great tune Reyn good looping!what gear are u > using? > >> cheers > >> Luis > >> > >> > >> > >> --- REYN wrote: > >> > >>> Hello there people, > >>> > >>> I'm new here and this is my first post. I'm very > >>> much into looping > >>> for a long time now and about time to get on > this > >>> list. I really got > >>> into looping through Jon Brion. I have been a > fan > >>> from him for more > >>> then 10 years and even saw some of his great > shows > >>> in Largo in LA > >>> where he exposed some of his impressive > >>> loopings-skills. > >>> > >>> I did a recording of some of my looping some > while > >>> ago, and thought > >>> it would be nice to share it with you guys. The > >>> topic is a bit > >>> strange though. It's about the fact that I wrote > >>> music for some > >>> Commodore 64 games a long time ago. As some > kinda > >>> nostalgie I still > >>> once in a while make an album with old C64 > classics. > >>> Hence the Green > >>> Beret by Martin Galway. Well, hope you'll enjoy: > >>> > >>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v8UBY8Yj9c0 > >>> > >>> Happy to be a part of Loopers-Delight!! > >>> > >>> Cheers, > >>> > >>> Reyn > >>> > >>> www.reyn.net > >>> > >>> > >>> > >> > >> > >> www.myspace.com/luisangulocom > >> > >> > __________________________________________________ > >> Do You Yahoo!? > >> Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > protection around > >> http://mail.yahoo.com > >> > >> > > > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 7 00:22:40 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 924A53BEDD; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 00:22:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: <472D926E.2010009@tiscali.co.uk> References: <20071104043724.C08CB3BEF8@arsenic.violacea.com> <472D926E.2010009@tiscali.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <45A56456-9F2A-4DE0-9AC9-228BC58A8207@atarde.com.br> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: FlyLoops and electronic instruments Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2007 20:51:53 -0300 To: Loop List X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at atarde.com.br Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76075 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2007 00:22:40 +0000 (UTC) Aaron, I guess the biggest difference is that Jeff made Mobius is done in his free time and distributes it for free, while you want to make a living with Flyloops and go into it at full speed! It takes courage to abandon the job and bet on your invention, we all appreciate that! Another fundamental difference: Jeff studied the EDP manual before he made Mobius and managed to copy almost every function, though on a different memory structure (samples, as oposed to tape) ! You apparently invented your own tool, or probably reinvented some functions but brought new angles. Both are hard ways, one is more honorable and the other more respectful, one is more creative and the other creates more continuity... and the loop tree grows into branches and we all contribute to its beauty and hold it together... isnt it amazing? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 7 00:22:42 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 030E53BEF4; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 00:22:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: <20071102211625.093E83BED2@arsenic.violacea.com> References: <20071102211625.093E83BED2@arsenic.violacea.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-24--809699006 Message-Id: From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: Good Names for LoopFunctions (was: FlyLoops and electronic instruments) Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2007 20:55:49 -0300 To: Loop List X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at atarde.com.br Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76076 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2007 00:22:41 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-24--809699006 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; delsp=yes; format=flowed Aaron said: > I am certainly no mobius expert .. so perhaps you can help me =20 > through this. me neither, but mobius started as a multiple EDP, as SooperLooper and =20= others... so I started some kind of a standard, which had =20 contributions by Eric Obermuehlner, Rolf Spuler, Keith McMillan, Kim =20 Flint, Andy Butler and others for the EDP, then from creators of =20 other looping units and now you... As you see, this is the first discussion that comes up if an =20 experienced looper like Kris wants to know what you have under the =20 hood, so you triggered a good movement: ** It helps the users and the idea, if similar functions have the =20 same understandable short Name in all tools ** ... and this list is probably the best place to figure them out! > > INITIAL LOOP: > Both flyloops and mobius (I think) get their timing from an intial =20 > recorded > loop ... the "master". All others are synced to that, or not ... =20 > which > brings us to ..... > > SYNCING: > I am not sure what polyrythmic is on the looping comparison =20 > chart .. but I > bet we have the same idea here. All loops in flyloops can be =20 > recorded as: > > - full sync - meaning start/stop recording only at the masters loop =20= > boundary > .. so all loops start/stop with the master, and are a multiple of =20 > the master > loops length In the EDP we called this Quantized (Record, Multiply...), which is =20 maybe not so ideal, since we might end up quantizing the sound to the =20= loop one day... Full Sync does not convince me though, because what you call Partial =20 Sync is also fully synced, in technical and musical terms. Two loops =20 of different lenght which coincide again somewhen in the future are =20 synced. Ljubo Majstorovic implemented such a Sync function where you =20 have to record the second loop pretty accurately because it rounds =20 very little, so this may be the best use of the name Sync! So if you dont like Quantized, maybe we find a more musical =20 expression like "on the beat"? > - partial sync - start recording whenever I tap in, but when I tap =20 > out .. > wait until the loop is some multiple of the masters length ... so =20 > all loops > are a multiple of the length ... but will start/stop only at a =20 > particular > offset to the master. we spoke about Rounding, which hits the nail better, I think > - No sync - just start and stop when I tap ... so the loop can be any > length, and will not sync to the master. some call this Free(running) or Unsynced > TAP TEMPO: > Mobius does this ... Flyloops will, once pitch/tempo shift is =20 > complete. is this to change the tempo later or to preset it? the EDP has a Tempo function for preset (PBPM reference) but only the =20= Repeater made it adaptable... > MULTIPLY/ OVERWRITE: same, I think Is Overwrite the same as Replace? or Substitute? > ADD: > maybe Append whould be a better term ... add material > to the end of a loop ... increasing its length .... > Per: > Cool, so not like Multiply which extends the original length of the =20= > loop, but while overdubbing new material over the top. aparently what was called Insert in the EDP - not many used it... > STACK: Flyloops lets you stack on loops individually ... with =20 > whatever > decay you wish ... I imagine mobius is the same. ok, shorter and just as clear as Overdub... MUTE (this was called BREAK in the LOOP delay, Keith renamed it): > (1) have the loop run still in sync according to the general music =20 > time-line, > (2) start exactly where it was muted (as in "pause") or > (3) start from the beginning (given the un-mute action happens on =20 > the set quantize point). > > Yeah .... same deal with flyloops .... > 1) I call mute > 2) pause > 3) on/off hm... on/off is valid for any switch, so it does not help. I suggest: 1 Mute 2 Pause 3 Restart (I dont think that anybody will want to restart while =20 leaving the loop muted) the EDP had only option 1 and 3 as MuteModes STA and RUN or so (less =20 nice) > Also ... you should be able to just play from the beginning at an =20 > arbitrary > starting point ..... such as the "one shot" on the RC-50. thats playing once only, I suppose? The EDP had that as PlayOnce or =20 so, OneShot is better (even if more aggressive ;-) > CONSOLIDATE: consolidate loops ... select three and make them one. =20= > I don=92t > know if mobius does this .... ? others call this Bounce or Merge, which is shorter... > EXTERNAL SYNCING: > flyloops doesn't do this ... though once it is rewire compatible it =20= > should > by able to sync to internal sources. And .... you could set up an =20 > external > source to trigger the rec button ... so sync that way .... but you =20 > could NOT > track to an external drum machine as you changed tempo for example. we had long looped explanations on this list about Initial Sync vs =20 Continuous Sync after triggering the rec button, the loops still run away from each =20 other! >> GROUP LOOPING: Technically, BrotherSync is very different but the idea is the same: =20 allow several musicians to play together in the same groove. Very =20 important, I think, my main motivation to start a loop machine. =20 Looping should not isolate people but help them to find the others =20 tempo and stay with it. You call it Group thinking of several musicians, I suppose. But you also use Group for the linking of several tracks. Or should =20 we call that Link? BrotherLooping would be nicer than Group... or Band, Gathering, =20 Meeting whatever... MASTER The Brother idea was to abolish Slavery and Masters. But once the =20 first brother starts, he becomes master. the others are not slaves, =20 because they can choose to sync or stay free. So it would be rather like BigBrother - SmallBrother or Master - Disciple... A good tool allows the users to switch master easily (which is not so =20= for wisdom transfer ;-) so... ...then again, Master may be just what people understand and has been =20= used so far... Per said: > Just a short note: In Mobius you do not group "loops" but "tracks". =20= > Each track can stack a bunch of loops but only play back one at a =20 > time. So in order to play back in parallel loops has to be recorded =20= > on different tracks. I think this is very user-friendly too, =20 > because then you can dedicate tracks for certain melody instrument =20 > and record each instrument's "verse", "chorus" or "bridge" as "loop =20= > 1", "loop 2" or "loop 3". If you then make a percussion loop on a =20 > different track and don't group it, the percussion loop will keep =20 > playing while all grouped tracks will change between different song =20= > parts. I find Track clear, but not Loop. We started calling the first =20 recording Cycle and the maximal multiple of it Loop, but I dont like =20 it any more. Loop means so many things already that we should not use =20= it for any specific part of the tool. Cycle is ok, but not brilliant. The EDPs NextLoop is not very good either. But its hard to find a =20 name apart from Loop or Sample, so I think it has to be some XxxLoop =20 like BULoop or SavedLoop or OldLoop... Per again: > ahh... you mean like "the two loops sticking together"? thats a new function I have not seen yet! maybe Join or Glue or Merge or what? --Apple-Mail-24--809699006 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=WINDOWS-1252

        Aaron said:
        I am certainly no mobius expert = .. so perhaps you can help me through this.

        me neither, but mobius started = as a multiple EDP, as SooperLooper and others... so I started some kind = of a standard, which had contributions by Eric Obermuehlner, Rolf = Spuler, Keith McMillan, Kim Flint, Andy Butler and others for the EDP, = then from creators of other looping units and now you...

        As you see, this is the = first discussion that comes up if an experienced looper like Kris wants = to know what you have under the hood, so you triggered a good = movement:

        **=A0= It=A0helps the users and the=A0idea, if similar functions have the same = understandable short Name in all tools **

        ... and this list is = probably the best place to figure them out!=A0


        INITIAL LOOP:
        Both flyloops = and mobius (I think) get their timing from an intial recorded
        loop ... the "master".=A0 All others are synced to = that, or not ... which
        brings us to = .....

        SYNCING:
        I am not sure = what polyrythmic is on the looping comparison chart .. but I
        bet we have the same idea here.=A0 All loops in flyloops can be = recorded as:

        - full sync - meaning start/stop recording only at = the masters loop boundary
        .. so all = loops start/stop with the master, and are a multiple of the = master
        loops = length

        In the EDP we called this = Quantized (Record, Multiply...), which is maybe not so ideal, since we = might end up quantizing the sound to the loop one day...
        Full = Sync does not convince me though, because what you call Partial Sync is = also fully synced, in technical and musical terms. Two loops of = different lenght which coincide again somewhen in the future are synced. = Ljubo=A0Majstorovic implemented such a Sync function where you have to = record the second loop pretty accurately because it rounds very little, = so this may be the best use of the name Sync!
        So if you dont = like Quantized, maybe we find a more musical expression like "on the = beat"?

        - partial sync - start recording = whenever I tap in, but when I tap out ..
        wait = until the loop is some multiple of the masters length ... so all = loops
        are a multiple of the length ... = but will start/stop only at a particular
        offset = to the master.

        we spoke about Rounding, which = hits the nail better, I think

        - No sync - just start and stop = when I tap ... so the loop can be any
        length, = and will not sync to the master.

        some call this Free(running) or = Unsynced

        TAP = TEMPO:
        Mobius does this ... Flyloops = will, once pitch/tempo shift is complete.

        is this to change the tempo = later or to preset it?=A0
        the EDP has a Tempo function for = preset (PBPM reference) but only the Repeater made it = adaptable...

        MULTIPLY/ OVERWRITE: same, I = think

        Is Overwrite the same as = Replace? or Substitute?=A0

        ADD:=A0
        maybe Append whould be a better term ... add = material
        to the end of a loop ... increasing its length = ....
        Per:
        Cool, so not like Multiply = which extends the original length of the loop, but while overdubbing new = material over the top.

        aparently what was called Insert = in the EDP - not many used it...

        STACK:=A0 Flyloops lets you stack on = loops individually ... with whatever
        decay you = wish ... I imagine mobius is the same.

        ok, shorter and just as clear as = Overdub...

        MUTE= (this was called BREAK in the LOOP delay, Keith renamed = it):
        (1) have the loop run still in sync = according to the=A0general music time-line,=A0
        (2) = start exactly where it was muted (as in =A0"pause") or=A0
        (3) start from the beginning (given the un-mute = action=A0happens on the set quantize point).

        Yeah .... same deal with flyloops ....
        1) I call mute
        2) = pause
        3) = on/off

        hm... on/off is valid for = any switch, so it does not help.
        I suggest:
        1 = Mute
        2 Pause
        3 Restart (I dont think that anybody = will want to restart while leaving the loop muted)

        the EDP had only option 1 = and 3 as MuteModes STA and RUN or so (less nice)

        Also ... you should be able to just play from the = beginning at an arbitrary
        starting = point ..... such as the "one shot" on the = RC-50.=A0=A0

        thats playing once only, I = suppose? The EDP had that as PlayOnce or so, OneShot is better (even if = more aggressive ;-)

        CONSOLIDATE: consolidate loops ... select three and = make them one.=A0 I = don=92t
        know if mobius does this .... = ?

        others call this=A0Bounce or = Merge, which is shorter...

        EXTERNAL SYNCING:
        flyloops = doesn't do this ... though once it is rewire compatible it = should
        by able to sync to internal = sources.=A0 And .... you = could set up an external
        source to = trigger the rec button ... so sync that way .... but you could = NOT
        track to an external drum = machine as you changed tempo for example.

        we had long looped explanations = on this list about Initial Sync vs Continuous Sync
        after = triggering the rec button, the loops still run away from each = other!

        GROUP = LOOPING:
        Technically, BrotherSync is very = different but the idea is the same: allow several musicians to play = together in the same groove. Very important, I think, my main motivation = to start a loop machine. Looping should not isolate people but help them = to find the others tempo and stay with it.=A0
        You call it Group = thinking of several musicians, I suppose.=A0
        But you also use = Group for the linking of several tracks. Or should we call that = Link?

        BrotherLooping would be = nicer than Group... or Band, Gathering, = Meeting=A0whatever...

        MASTER
        The = Brother idea was to abolish Slavery and Masters. But once the first = brother starts, he becomes master. the others are not slaves, because = they can choose to sync or stay free. So it would be rather = like=A0
        BigBrother - SmallBrother or=A0
        Master - = Disciple...=A0
        A good tool allows the users to switch master = easily (which is not so for wisdom transfer ;-) so...
        ...then = again, Master may be just what people understand and has been used so = far...



        Per said:
        Just a short note: In Mobius you = do not group "loops" but "tracks". Each track can stack a bunch of loops = but only play back one at a time. So in order to play back in parallel = loops has to be recorded on different tracks. I think this is very = user-friendly too, because then you can dedicate tracks for certain = melody instrument and record each instrument's "verse", "chorus" or = "bridge" as "loop 1", "loop 2" or "loop 3". If you then make a = percussion loop on a different track and don't group it, the percussion = loop will keep playing while all grouped tracks will change between = different song parts.

        I find Track clear, but not = Loop. We started calling the first recording Cycle and the maximal = multiple of it Loop, but I dont like it any more. Loop means so many = things already that we should not use it for any specific part of the = tool. Cycle is ok, but not brilliant.=A0
        The EDPs NextLoop is = not very good either. But its hard to find a name apart from Loop or = Sample, so I think it has to be some XxxLoop like BULoop or SavedLoop or = OldLoop...

        Per = again:
        ahh... you = mean like "the two loops sticking together"?

        thats a new function I have = not seen yet!
        maybe Join or Glue or Merge or = what?



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        From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 7 01:07:47 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C84EA3BEE6; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 01:07:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.21,381,1188792000"; d="scan'208";a="101134541" X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Aj0KAIKeMEdKgAAT/2dsb2JhbACBW2E3ixE Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2007 19:07:46 -0600 From: mwsmart@insightbb.com Subject: Re: Shepard tone In-reply-to: <48f59b9e5bea27d55e0428771e051a9f@charter.net> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Sun Java(tm) System Messenger Express 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006) Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_v+Y5izBX2PTARJ21aimqDQ)" Content-language: en X-Accept-Language: en Priority: normal References: <20071104184355.AAC4F3BED9@arsenic.violacea.com> <4730D03A.2000802@mhorse.com> <48f59b9e5bea27d55e0428771e051a9f@charter.net> Resent-Message-ID: <3I7jH.A.gaB.j_QMHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76077 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2007 01:07:47 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_v+Y5izBX2PTARJ21aimqDQ) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline Typically the signal fades in as it starts at one end and fades out as it reaches the other end, so you don't hear abrupt starts and stops. I think PAIA electronics used to sell a kit that could be used to make 4 of these functions with an analog synth. It would output 4 sawtooth waves 90 degrees out of phase that you could use to control the frequency of 4 oscillators. It also output 4 triangle waves that you could use to fade them up and down using VCAs as the frequencies changed. Yeah, I like that part on Echoes where they do that with what sounds like slowed down human voices! Cool. Ever listen to the Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy radio show? There is a part where they are being, um, BOMBARDED by the bird people of Brontital. The sounds they use for the bird people are very much like the voices on Echoes. Douglas Adams was a big Pink Floyd fan. I digress, as usual. Mark Smart http://www.marksmart.net --Boundary_(ID_v+Y5izBX2PTARJ21aimqDQ) Content-type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline
        Typically the signal fades in as it starts at one end and fades out as it reaches the other end, so you don't hear abrupt starts and stops. I think PAIA electronics used to sell a kit that could be used to make 4 of these functions with an analog synth. It would output 4 sawtooth waves 90 degrees out of phase that you could use to control the frequency of 4 oscillators. It also output 4 triangle waves that you could use to fade them up and down using VCAs as the frequencies changed.
         
        Yeah, I like that part on Echoes where they do that with what sounds like slowed down human voices! Cool.
         
        Ever listen to the Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy radio show? There is a part where they are being, um, BOMBARDED by the bird people of Brontital. The sounds they use for the bird people are very much like the voices on Echoes. Douglas Adams was a big Pink Floyd fan. I digress, as usual.
         
        Mark Smart
        --Boundary_(ID_v+Y5izBX2PTARJ21aimqDQ)-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 7 02:46:56 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B949D3BED9; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 02:46:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <20071104184355.AAC4F3BED9@arsenic.violacea.com> <4730D03A.2000802@mhorse.com> Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2007 21:41:37 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Charles Zwicky Subject: Re: Shepard tone Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-ELNK-Trace: e070562f4b6af5994d2b10475b5711209f191d06e2295e84c5105ebe705ed324b89253b788c0b649350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 69.86.253.94 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76078 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2007 02:46:56 +0000 (UTC) I loved that album, BGM.... >At 2:36 PM -0600 11/6/07, Daryl Shawn wrote: >>Perhaps most people are familiar with this, but this blows my >>mind...a "Shepard tone", created of a particular combination of >>sine waves, which makes it seem as if the tone is continuously >>descending without ever reaching bottom. A loop that simply >>repeats, while only APPEARING to evolve...awesome. >> >>here's a direct link to a nicely done clip on Wikipedia: >>http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/61/DescenteInfinie.ogg > >Relatedly, check out Oli Larkin's "Endless Series" VST effect bundle >( http://www.olilarkin.co.uk/index.php?p=eseries ) which features >effects based upon practical applications of the Shepard/Risset >tones -- endless flanging, phasing, pitch shifting, etc. I haven't >tried them out yet (just found this info myself last week on >kvr-vst.com) but they look pretty interesting on paper. > >Another good example of Shepard tones is in "Loom", the last song >from Yellow Magic Orchestra's 1981 release 'BGM' (whick, along with >'Technodelic', also happens to be quite possibly one of their two >finest albums, IMNSHO). The first minutes of the song are based >primarily around a rising Shepard tone series. Additionally, the >Wikipedia entry mentions that this song is a reworking of "The >Infinite Space Octave" -- a tune released by their computer >programer Hideki Matsutake. That last fact was news even to me. > >(Okay, so I'm feeling a bit like "meaningless-trivia-r-us" today...) > > --m. >-- >_____ >"I want to keep you alive so there is always the possibility of >murder... later" -- ... http://www.zmix.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 7 03:34:59 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C55383BED9; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 03:34:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <005d01c820ef$2fe8d600$6401a8c0@dayglogreen> From: "Rick Walker" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: LOOP CD review: Erdem Helvacioglu's Altered Realities Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2007 19:35:04 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76079 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2007 03:34:59 +0000 (UTC) Every now and then a recording becomes , perfectly, the sound track for a period in one's life. The music for such a rare occurence has to not only stand up to the test of repeated listenings but it must also be deep and beautiful enough to grow on you each time you hear it. Erdem Helvacioglu's lovely and profound recording, Altered Realities (music for guitar and electronics) was on repeat play in my rental van during the whole two weeks before and after the recent Y2K7 Live Looping Festival. When I was relaxing, it proved incredibly stimulating, both intellectually and aesthetically. When I was stressed out it was just as equally soothing to listen to. Erdem is a profound budding talent. He has the ability to combine beautiful consonant harmonies and melodies on his acoustic Ovation guitar (which he wields with sure and deft hands) with modern, dissonant electronic backing tracks. In many attempts to pull off such a hybrid feat, many composers prove adept with one side of the equation yet appear sophomoric with the other side. It is testimony to Erdem's artistry that he he exceeds admirably with both. He somehow manages to sound beautifully classic while at the same time appearing as cutting edge as it possible: no mean feat. This is not a good record, it is a great one. Keep your eye on this important new artist and go buy this recording today. You'll be glad you did. Rick Walker November 1st, 2007 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 7 03:59:14 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2CAAF3BEDD; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 03:59:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "Aaron Leese" To: Subject: RE: FlyLoops and electronic instruments Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2007 19:59:02 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1250" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 In-Reply-To: <45A56456-9F2A-4DE0-9AC9-228BC58A8207@atarde.com.br> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Thread-Index: Acgg1FKKv2h4+b9FQJuCCyZEv/Vm8AAHiW8g Message-Id: <20071107035913.684C53BED3@arsenic.violacea.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76080 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2007 03:59:14 +0000 (UTC) and the loop tree grows into branches and we all contribute to its beauty and hold it together... isnt it amazing? -- well said ! -----Original Message----- From: Matthias Grob [mailto:matilists@atarde.com.br] Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2007 3:52 PM To: Loop List Subject: Re: FlyLoops and electronic instruments Aaron, I guess the biggest difference is that Jeff made Mobius is done in his free time and distributes it for free, while you want to make a living with Flyloops and go into it at full speed! It takes courage to abandon the job and bet on your invention, we all appreciate that! Another fundamental difference: Jeff studied the EDP manual before he made Mobius and managed to copy almost every function, though on a different memory structure (samples, as oposed to tape) ! You apparently invented your own tool, or probably reinvented some functions but brought new angles. Both are hard ways, one is more honorable and the other more respectful, one is more creative and the other creates more continuity... and the loop tree grows into branches and we all contribute to its beauty and hold it together... isnt it amazing? Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.487 / Virus Database: 0.0.0/0 - Release Date: 12:00 AM Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.487 / Virus Database: 0.0.0/0 - Release Date: 12:00 AM From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 7 05:11:16 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A934A3BEDD; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 05:11:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X_CMAE_Category: 0,0 Undefined,Undefined X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=5Oa-QPrJEC87zx3UE1kA:9 a=Kpq0D4gUqeMCpNmjoCkA:7 a=UCJh-DQgm5fMRwxYU8ZLZdPPGIMA:4 a=pQ2a0EFxmsAA:10 a=br5QjLurtgQA:10 a=dKFSZAqjruQA:10 X-CM-Score: 0 X-Scanned-by: Cloudmark Authority Engine Authentication-Results: smtp09.embarq.synacor.com smtp.mail=echohead@embarqmail.com; spf=neutral Authentication-Results: smtp09.embarq.synacor.com smtp.user=echohead@embarqmail.com; auth=pass (LOGIN) Received-SPF: neutral (smtp09.embarq.synacor.com: 71.48.241.17 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of embarqmail.com) Message-ID: <000401c820fc$9c870180$0202a8c0@YOUR08D5303051> From: "Jeff Duke" To: References: <005d01c820ef$2fe8d600$6401a8c0@dayglogreen> Subject: Re: LOOP CD review: Erdem Helvacioglu's Altered Realities Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2007 00:11:10 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76081 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2007 05:11:16 +0000 (UTC) wow, beautiful so far, I just got it downloaded at Amazon and it is sounding great. 7.00$ too! 320kbs thanks Rick, Jeff ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rick Walker" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2007 10:35 PM Subject: LOOP CD review: Erdem Helvacioglu's Altered Realities > Every now and then a recording becomes , perfectly, the > sound track for a period in one's life. 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SGT MARRIOTT BROWN (CAVE OF GOOD HOPE!!!)=20 ________________________________________ PeoplePC Online A better way to Internet http://www.peoplepc.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 7 09:17:31 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B24DC3BED8; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 09:17:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <949433.80990.qm@web38608.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <949433.80990.qm@web38608.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <3C703B58-2E28-46AC-B3ED-32729607F0AE@reyn.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: REYN Subject: Re: First posting... Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2007 10:17:27 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76082 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2007 09:17:31 +0000 (UTC) On Nov 6, 2007, at 9:36 PM, L.A. Angulo wrote: > what is that pedal you have connected to the Rhodes? First it goes into a MXR Phase 90, then through a Vox WahWah and finally through a Line 6 PodPro (where I think I modulate a Twin Reverb) to make it sound nice and dirty. Cheers, Reyn www.reyn.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 7 09:29:13 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D9B5E3BEDA; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 09:29:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <257968C5-D720-496E-9C2E-2BEA1C3CB2F7@atarde.com.br> References: <835428.86844.qm@web38601.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <8168DCDB-D442-4D0D-A93A-2EBC074FF80F@reyn.net> <257968C5-D720-496E-9C2E-2BEA1C3CB2F7@atarde.com.br> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: REYN Subject: Re: First posting... Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2007 10:29:11 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76083 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2007 09:29:13 +0000 (UTC) On Nov 7, 2007, at 1:08 AM, Matthias Grob wrote: > with three EDPs, BrotherSync should work, Rayn! And did I do the cabling right you think? With splitting 1 stereo cable into 2 stereo cables? Like a Y , but then stereo. It kinda works, but sometimes they loose sync or it starts recording/ overdubbing spontaneously when 1 of them is waiting in RoundMode... > the first fix we recommend is to exchange the crystals of older > (cream) units to match the newer (black) better. > did you know about that? Let me see wether Andy still has some! Chrystals?!?!?! Ehhh... Well, we use now 3 BLACK ones on stage. We have a cream spare one, but its good to know that that one will cause problems. Though the cream one is one of mine, so I would love to have it up to date... > yes, Stephan Eicher is one of the best known singers in > Switzerland, I am happy to learn that you manage to present his > music with loops! Yeh, I love his work. I produced some tracks on his last 2 albums. Was really great working on them. But Stephan was already into looping before I met him though. He did quiet some amazing stuff with just his Line 6 DL-4. Then again, he was never afraid to experiment all his life. Cheers, Reyn www.reyn.net PS: You also know the suisse artist called Tinu Heiniger? Just produced his last album, to be released in januari. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 7 09:35:05 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D94603BEDD; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 09:35:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <612035.74610.qm@web38606.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <612035.74610.qm@web38606.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <9CDEA920-B4F4-44E3-AC59-D7C5634B1897@reyn.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: REYN Subject: Re: First posting... Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2007 10:35:02 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76084 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2007 09:35:05 +0000 (UTC) On Nov 7, 2007, at 1:18 AM, L.A. Angulo wrote: > Matthias > your EDPs must be different or i got lemons because i > went throught it all,bought the crystals,had =B4em on my > EDP oberheim installed,didnt work with my gibson EDP > pro,sold it,got a black face still didnt sync,sold the > cream one got another black one and finally they > managed to sync better but not always, i would say 80% > of the time ... > cheers > Luis At some point I did a test, and the way it's set up now with that =20 BrotherSync Y cable and 3 black EDP's it worked 28 times out of 30 =20 attempts. Which is 2 times too many when you're live on stage..... But maybe one of the cables is too long since it has to cross the =20 whole stage and with all these lights and dimmers on stage, it can't =20 be good and maybe sometimes the syncsignal gets distorted.= From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 7 09:44:51 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0059D3BECF; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 09:44:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2007 01:44:49 -0800 From: Niall Munnelly To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: For Sale: Electrix Repeater w/ Noise Mod, Newest OS Message-ID: <20071107094448.GA17430@zim.dreamhost.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.9i Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76085 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2007 09:44:50 +0000 (UTC) Shipping from Ireland, but I can ship from the US if you're willing to wait til early December, when my wife goes back to NYC for a couple weeks. This Repeater has been modded by Stephen Golovnin Vsyevolod, per this document: www.loopers-delight.com/tools/repeater/Repeater_noise_mod.pdf I also purchased the new, ridiculously deep OS from Electrix, and will happily pass along whatever free updates they send to me if I can't simply transfer ownership of the OS to you. Included are the power supply, Digitech FS300 w/ cable, a working 256mb CF card and the 32mb card Electrix sent the new OS on. I don't know where the manual is - it may be in storage in Chicago, but I can't be sure. It's in perfect operational condition, and pretty good cosmetic condition for a rig that's seen some use, but the tempo knob is a bit wobbly. This has no perceptible effect on the actual knob, but it's the only thing on the unit that doesn't suggest that it's built like a tank. Given the investment I've put in, I'd like to let this go for 800 plus shipping firm. Photos on request {my net connection's not so hot in Ireland}. -- Yours, Niall. .. . . . . . . . . . Aleph Null. A Simple Insinuation Around Silence. http://aleph-null.net .. .. gpg public key - http://aleph-null.net/niall.gpg .. .. From shabanguu15@hotmail.co.uk Wed Nov 7 10:08:56 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 723 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Wed, 07 Nov 2007 10:08:55 UTC Received: from bay0-omc2-s18.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc2-s18.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.154]) by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C3E3D3BEC7 for ; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 10:08:54 +0000 (UTC) Received: from BAY123-W22 ([207.46.11.57]) by bay0-omc2-s18.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Wed, 7 Nov 2007 01:56:51 -0800 Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_0f09b3ff-d920-4545-9f75-302f6e6c6807_" X-Originating-IP: [41.242.249.131] Reply-To: From: susan shabangu Subject: FROM MRS. SUSAN SHABANGU Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2007 09:56:50 +0000 Importance: Normal MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Nov 2007 09:56:51.0497 (UTC) FILETIME=[850F4990:01C82124] To: undisclosed-recipients:; --_0f09b3ff-d920-4545-9f75-302f6e6c6807_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable FROM MRS. SUSAN SHABANGU Deputy Minister of Safety & Security, South Africa= . TEL:+27-83 36 99730.E-mail: susanshaa@sify.com , Email: ministerinfo1@yahoo.it Dear Sir/madam First, let me start by introd= ucing myself as MRS SUSAN SHABANGU, a mother of three children and the Depu= ty Minister of Safety and Security since 29th April 1996 to date under the = auspices of the President of South Africa MR THABO MBEKI. After due deliber= ation with my children, I decided to contact you for your assistance in sta= nding as a beneficiary to the sum of US$30.5M ( Thirty Million, Five Hundre= d Thousand United States Dollars Only) You can view my profile at my websit= e www.gov.za click on, Contact Information, then click on Deputy Minister, = and click on Safety and Security finally, click on my name susan shabangu a= nd read about me. THE PROPOSAL, After the swearing in ceremony making me th= e Deputy Minister of Safety and Security, my husband Mr. Ndelebe Susan Shab= angu died while he was on an official trip to Trinidad and Tobago in 1996. = After his death, I discovered that he had some funds in a dollar account wh= ich amounted to the sum of US$30.5M with a security and finance institution= in South Africa of which I will divulge information to you when I get your= full consent and support to go for a change of beneficiary and subsequent = transfer of the funds into you a comfortable and conducive account of your = choice. This fund emanated as a result of an over-invoiced contract which h= e executed with the Government of South Africa. Though I assisted him in ge= tting this contract but I never knew that it was over-invoiced by him. I am= afraid that the government of South Africa might start to investigate on c= ontracts awarded from 1990 to date. If they discover this money in his bank= account, they will confiscate it and seize his assets here in South Africa= and this will definitely affect my political career in government. I want = your assistance in opening an account with bankers through my banker so tha= t this fund could be wired into your account directly without any hitch. As= soon as the fund gets to your account, you are expected to move it immedia= tely into another personal bank account in your country. I will see to it t= hat the account is not traced from South Africa. As soon as you have confir= med the fund into your account, I will send my eldest son with my Attorney = to come to your country to discuss on business investments. For your assist= ance, I am offering you 20% of the principal sum which amounts to US$6,100.= 000.00 (Six million One Hundred Thousand United States Dollars Only) Howeve= r, you have to assure me and also be ready to go into agreement with me tha= t you will not elope with my fund. If you agree to my terms, kindly as a ma= tter of urgency send me an email. Due to my sensitive position in the South= African Government, PLEASE DO NOT CALL ME ON LINE, BECAUSE OF THE SENSITIV= ITY OF THIS TRANSACTION EXCEPT YOU CAN CALL MY SON ON HIS DIRECT LINE ABOVE= HIS NAME IS MARTIN SHABANGU. I prefer you send me email than call. All c= orrespondence must be by email to my private email address, {susanshaa@sify= .com, ministerinfo1@yahoo.it } If you want to speak with my Banker, that is= fine and okay by me. You will have to send down you private telephone /fax= number so that i can forward it to him to reach you from time to time this= is for security reasons. Please I do not need to remind you of the need fo= r absolute Confidentiality of this transaction must succeed. If you do not = feel comfortable with this transaction, do not hesitate to discontinue. Tha= nks for your anticipated co-operation and my regards to your family. MRS.SU= SAN SHABANGU Dept. Minister Safety & Security South Africa. TEL:+27-83 36 9= 9730.Email:susanshaa@sify.com=20 Email:ministerinfo1 _________________________________________________________________ The next generation of MSN Hotmail has arrived - Windows Live Hotmail http://www.newhotmail.co.uk= --_0f09b3ff-d920-4545-9f75-302f6e6c6807_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
        FROM MRS. SUSAN SHABANGU
        Deputy Minister of Safety & Security,=
        South Africa.
        TEL:+27-83 36 99730.
        E-mail: susanshaa@sify.= com ,
        Email: ministerinfo1@yaho= o.it
         
        Dear Sir/madam
         
        First, let m= e start by introducing myself as MRS SUSAN SHABANGU, a mother of three chil= dren and the Deputy Minister of Safety and Security since 29th April 1996 t= o date under the auspices of the President of South Africa MR THABO MBEKI.<= BR> 
        After due deliberation with my children, I decided to contact = you for your assistance in standing as a beneficiary to the sum of US$30.5M= ( Thirty Million, Five Hundred Thousand United States Dollars Only) You ca= n view my profile at my website www.gov.za click on, Contact Information, then = click on Deputy Minister, and click on Safety and Security finally, click o= n my name susan shabangu and read about me.
        THE PROPOSAL, After the swe= aring in ceremony making me the Deputy Minister of Safety and Security, my = husband Mr. Ndelebe Susan Shabangu died while he was on an official trip to= Trinidad and Tobago in 1996. After his death, I discovered that he had som= e funds in a dollar account which amounted to the sum of US$30.5M with a se= curity and finance institution in South Africa of which I will divulge info= rmation to you when I get your full consent and support to go for a change = of beneficiary and subsequent transfer of the funds into you a comfortable = and conducive account of your choice.
         
        This fund emanated as a = result of an over-invoiced contract which he executed with the Government o= f South Africa. Though I assisted him in getting this contract but I never = knew that it was over-invoiced by him. I am afraid that the government of S= outh Africa might start to investigate on contracts awarded from 1990 to da= te. If they discover this money in his bank account, they will confiscate i= t and seize his assets here in South Africa and this will definitely affect= my political career in government.
         
        I want your assistance in = opening an account with bankers through my banker so that this fund could b= e wired into your account directly without any hitch. As soon as the fund g= ets to your account, you are expected to move it immediately into another p= ersonal bank account in your country.
         
        I will see to it that th= e account is not traced from South Africa. As soon as you have confirmed th= e fund into your account, I will send my eldest son with my Attorney to com= e to your country to discuss on business investments. For your assistance, = I am offering you 20% of the principal sum which amounts to US$6,100.000.00= (Six million One Hundred Thousand United States Dollars Only) However, you= have to assure me and also be ready to go into agreement with me that you = will not elope with my fund. If you agree to my terms, kindly as a matter o= f urgency send me an email. Due to my sensitive position in the South Afric= an Government,
        PLEASE DO NOT CALL ME ON LINE, BECAUSE OF THE SENSITIVIT= Y OF THIS TRANSACTION EXCEPT YOU CAN CALL MY SON ON HIS DIRECT LINE ABOVE H= IS NAME IS MARTIN SHABANGU. 
         
        I prefer you send me email = than call. All correspondence must be by email to my private email address,= {susanshaa@sify.com<= /A>= , ministerinfo1@yahoo.it= } If you want to speak with my Banker, that is fine and ok= ay by me. You will have to send down you private telephone /fax number so t= hat i can forward it to him to reach you from time to time this is for secu= rity reasons. Please I do not need to remind you of the need for absolute C= onfidentiality of this transaction must succeed. If you do not feel comfort= able with this transaction, do not hesitate to discontinue.
        Thanks for = your anticipated co-operation and my regards to your family.
         
        M= RS.SUSAN SHABANGU
        Dept. Minister Safety & Security
        South Africa= .
        TEL:+27-83 36 99730.
        Email:susanshaa@sify.com
        Email:ministerinfo1

        =
        Play Movie Mash-up and win BIG prizes! = --_0f09b3ff-d920-4545-9f75-302f6e6c6807_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 7 11:45:07 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 390E23BED2; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 11:45:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: <1BF61308-5569-4390-8CA7-BBC5486B6D00@reyn.net> References: <1BF61308-5569-4390-8CA7-BBC5486B6D00@reyn.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <5382608B-7F63-489D-9C37-E15F25A85D13@mac.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Chuck Silva Subject: Re: First posting... Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2007 06:45:02 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) Resent-Message-ID: <55BWAD.A.9FC.CVaMHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76086 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2007 11:45:07 +0000 (UTC) Hey Reyn! Whas the dealeo yo? Get down wit yo bad self yo! WOW! It is sooooo inspiring to rub elbows with great talent on this forum. Welcome! I'm new to this forum too and am not sure I'm worthy. But It is inspiring to be part of the community. I have a feeling the more seasoned loopers are going to be impressed with your stellar talents. I know I am and I'm persnickety indeed. I'd love to know some details of who you are. What planet you're from. A bit about your history. what food you eat. What are your sleeping habits and so on. What is the nucleus of your gear? I noticed on the youtube video, as you added more and more layers to your groove, all the parts are nice and clear and balanced. Did you remix it after the performance? Thanks again for sharing and welcome aboard comrade! Peace. http://www.myspace.com/chucksilva On Nov 5, 2007, at 1:30 PM, REYN wrote: > Hello there people, > > I'm new here and this is my first post. I'm very much into looping > for a long time now and about time to get on this list. I really > got into looping through Jon Brion. I have been a fan from him for > more then 10 years and even saw some of his great shows in Largo in > LA where he exposed some of his impressive loopings-skills. > > I did a recording of some of my looping some while ago, and thought > it would be nice to share it with you guys. The topic is a bit > strange though. It's about the fact that I wrote music for some > Commodore 64 games a long time ago. As some kinda nostalgie I still > once in a while make an album with old C64 classics. Hence the > Green Beret by Martin Galway. Well, hope you'll enjoy: > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v8UBY8Yj9c0 > > Happy to be a part of Loopers-Delight!! > > Cheers, > > Reyn > > www.reyn.net > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 7 12:24:20 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CED033BED5; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 12:24:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; bh=dvHc5stoO0Z9C41ZgXaXHk3W1zdT6WcmcFXYW+VGPoY=; b=avwNYBbRAlJ95Y6aPxCnBWL2XqIzZG3kNOL/JH69qiBr2sub1N4lyWVuVTamHQo1A38Mo0H4EYt2pL0qg3IC9jDrqa71frArQBV/LxWRPvmC7tUZyYamHh1LC+b2kMpSKOFJurPQM07E3/KeHztPjYSEmANCiTM2nKif7lKPDbc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=lEFAri/CRe9gViqa4T0liPHvZEQJNOpxMfcEwRF1Sjyge4kBfqIzPBcCQ7ex1XGvf3jCL6xjMp7gFZr90zfD9y4xwrj+YUsckj/VqB+xwtZ2IHZicOQh086Oe418DX05mD7p37aXxpHxYG4O6AlX8kai5bY/gthTk2BPlfjRbRI= Message-ID: Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2007 07:17:49 -0500 From: "Dennis Moser" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: For What It's Worth: more Frippiana ... the Fall River rig MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76087 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2007 12:24:20 +0000 (UTC) Mostly for L.A. who asked about it ... On Nov 6, 2007 3:51 PM, L.A. Angulo wrote: > That would be really nice Dennis, Fripps rack has > always interested me and it seem to keep evolving > cheers > Luis So now that Robert Fripp and the League of Crafty Guitarists have made their two Massachusetts appearances, I thought I would report back on what we saw at the performance last week in Fall River at the Narrows Art Center. Given all the discussion of Axon vs. Roland, this may be of interest. If not, just delete or skip. Here goes ... We (wife and I) literally sat at the stage's edge .. .I mean like 10 inches away ... so I could see a fair bit of the gear. On the floor, from Fripp's left to right: Roland GR-1 3 Boss pedals (NOT EV-5s ... ) Rocktron "All Access" 2 more of the same kind of Boss pedals Peterson Tuner The racks: Comprised of 5 2U units stacked with ... 2 x Eventide H8000 Roland GP100 Axon 100 1 Eventide Eclipse 2 x Eventide H3500 Fuhrman power unit Unidentified tuner Three guitars (only played two of them, but mainly only one): 2 Beaudoux guitars (one electric which he played almost exclsusively, the other an electric acoustic, ala an Ovation, which he only played for the last encore) 1 guitar by "48th Street Custom Guitars" (electric) Both the electrics had a Fernandes sustainer, and what appeared to be a mini-humbucker, in the neck with it. The roadie who was watching and tweaking all the gear said that Robert prefers to use the "bells/chimes" of the GR-1 and the "strings" of the Axon ... and I'm quoting. Looping and delays were done with the Eventide units ... ~~Dennis From ubatony60@walla.com Wed Nov 7 12:37:42 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 438 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Wed, 07 Nov 2007 12:37:42 UTC Received: from k2smtpout05-01.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net (k2smtpout05-01.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net [64.202.189.56]) by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 67A303BECC for ; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 12:37:40 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 6058 invoked from network); 7 Nov 2007 12:29:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.optifmedia.com) (208.109.111.193) by k2smtpout05-01.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net (64.202.189.56) with ESMTP; 07 Nov 2007 12:29:35 -0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]) by optifmedia.com with MailEnable ESMTP; Tue, 06 Nov 2007 10:25:56 -0700 Received: from 196.207.1.18 ([196.207.1.18]) by webmail.maxprodata.com (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Tue, 06 Nov 2007 10:25:55 -0700 Message-ID: <20071106102555.v6eh76nn0kgs8sso@webmail.maxprodata.com> Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2007 10:25:55 -0700 From: "Mr.Uba Tony" Reply-To: eze_7mary@yahoo.se To: undisclosed-recipients: ; Subject: I REMEBER YOU MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.3) --=20 Mr. Uba Tony. 302 Royce Road, London, SW4. 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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 7 12:56:40 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C0CC23BED3; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 12:56:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <008201c8213d$97b7b5a0$0201a8c0@eluk1> From: "Stephen Goodman" To: References: <200711061808.lA6I8ZNM012488@hermes.ramstein.af.mil> <440903.90465.qm@web53012.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <200711062011.lA6KBnNM006332@hermes.ramstein.af.mil> Subject: Re: Norwich Festival of Live Looping Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2007 12:56:14 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76088 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2007 12:56:40 +0000 (UTC) Has anyone here E-BOWED a piano? I've got a really old upright here, sounds like a modified piano experiment thanks to damp and neglect in a basement ... and until we have it looked at I'm not opening the thing up. A string - or more likely the wood in the harp holding the chuck - let go the other night and we nearly jumped out of our skins. It'd be just typical if I opened the top and got my hand sliced off by a sprung piano wire..! I'm shocked that I hadn't made this connection before though. Metal wires, e-bow. Sigh, must be stress. Anyone done it? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Moore, David W Civ 86 MXS/MXMTA" To: Sent: Tuesday, 6 November, 2007 20:11 PM Subject: RE: Norwich Festival of Live Looping > Have you ever bowed a piano? > > david moore > transient alert > 86 mxs/mxmta > 480-2061/5378 > > -----Original Message----- > From: Stephen Scott [mailto:stevoj@yahoo.com] > Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2007 8:04 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: RE: Norwich Festival of Live Looping > > 'Fraid not, I'm another Stephen Scott! > > "Moore, David W Civ 86 MXS/MXMTA" wrote: > > Looks cool! Pardon me for being ignorant, but is that Stephen > scott who > did minervas web? I have been looking for other stuff by him! I > bought > Minervas Web, seems like 20 years ago! And I still think it is > one of > the most beautiful cd's ever! Can someone send me links to > Stephen scott > info? > > david moore > transient alert > 86 mxs/mxmta > 480-2061/5378 > > -----Original Message----- > From: andy butler [mailto:akbutler@tiscali.co.uk] > Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2007 5:12 PM > To: LD > Subject: Norwich Festival of Live Looping > > A stellar cast of loopers all together under one roof > > Norwich Arts Centre Bar 17 Nov 1pm till 5pm > > in order of appearance > > Stephen Scott > Matt Stevens > Michael Peters > Darkroom(+Andy Booker on drums) > andy butler > > ...yes, I know it looks like I'm headlining, but usually for > that venue > the regular punters will have mostly gone home by then, and if > there's > delays for any reason it's my set that gets cut short. > > So it's nothing on the scale of Y2Kseries, or ZurichFest, well > not this > year anyway. > Everybody on the bill showed an interest to come to play in > Norwich just > > for the hell of it. > > there's a nice poster for those who like that sort of thing > > http://www.andybutler.com/poster/loopfest.jpg > > andy butler > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 7 13:03:36 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 31A893BED9; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 13:03:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; bh=R6Jcfe3AC3kY5fKB8oZQfntsCMktyS7HS5HTz5l2skk=; b=GccfboJpZnNICXuaX5N0sP35uhrHBMB1rWsfaSvLU0TrfJ+jzs87TEnYAxG+xw+ESkYkcKQ4p+4lHjhGSpy8BoniQDbN52CCgQAx4nctgeAFU5BtFYffa2BfLophGOQipf4es69MBHIEpsRH7k/2eGRsWB4AbqbN2RL+6kxKOOg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=Wy0rPPfVX0YsvH7vbPdDG9rSb0qyjQbJACBlYDbLD8SE3MDaCjEbQsiAbunw0RXe3ITr85okmu9SIDVzzF1ZzfjJnwgsfHwFPaxhQjiMYtE7gVd61K06zWAEpXdY3cZyvDy9a3dOoQoh2CcjR3dAf8mtxa9aIbTmB1RXRYrDwqM= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: References: <20071102211625.093E83BED2@arsenic.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <737345D0-8475-46E9-8FA6-1C9B3C8CD239@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: My Y2K7 video moved to YouTube Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2007 14:03:29 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76089 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2007 13:03:36 +0000 (UTC) Hi gang, I moved my crappy cell phone documentary video to YouTube and sliced it up into three separate movies. Had to do that since I ran out of server space at my regular ISP. If you have facts to add, please post a comment on the YouTube video display page. All three parts can be found here: http://www.youtube.com/user/pellibox Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 7 13:25:10 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 853BD3BED6; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 13:25:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:x-google-sender-auth; bh=zbpQ4dX8F8DvntQ7NDjq/uC7+72knAlPlBbAseYMkcs=; b=Zc1Smt6CPoY+4y33vRJ+JCHXNMCu7WSMx0WmR/1IpAdG9UdqRxRfGvZS+w1ifrdk6HmQ32XvUqk6qMs8MOMU6H+Kjt6fgTvzsxLOisfq0WBEtS1xvRo0cOwf7WhuairaeutnMWYhdKWaM8rw+ijIR7HZon4m8fx/06jRUX/e4aY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:x-google-sender-auth; b=L+i0QcMZsdo2yNPNoiU5OO3aNYtDk+sheIii6OdpUiPC7esBcqyVDw/jdNpnfwUwfeuEtYlythsqvVa9BXLys+1SDUt/XZ5onBitLOlKbV+bjb5fLbBNcAnvvnpXHnKw370xQBayI3ud/09tgU9s3Vcu1zzMfLxm01G6K8Fmp5M= Message-ID: Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2007 06:25:08 -0700 From: "C3's Gig List" Sender: modulus10@gmail.com To: gigs@christophercardone.com Subject: The Final Trooper Tour Performance (Benefit for Zachariah Templeton) This Saturday! MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Google-Sender-Auth: a7d84f60bac12290 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76090 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2007 13:25:10 +0000 (UTC) Hello Everyone! Well I cant thank you enough for all the support and donations this past month. As of today we have generated $601 for the family of Trooper Zachariah Templeton. So our final performance of this MiniTour is this Saturday at Noa Noa in Golden (check www.christophercardone.com for more details and pictures of the events so far!) Here are the gig Specifics - Location: Noa Noa Espresso and News 109 Rubey Drive Unit C Golden Colorado Time : 8am till 12 noon We want to invite ALL of you out to our last performance, to show our support for the family of Trooper Zachariah Templeton, and all of our proud CSP officers who risk their lives every day. We hope to see a few of our uniformed friends at the show this weekend!! Again thank you all for your support and generosity. I cant wait to turn over these funds to the family as soon as possible!!!! take care - and hope to see you Saturday! Christopher -- Christopher "C3" Cardone www.christophercardone.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 7 13:30:48 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5FBA33BEDC; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 13:30:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: Norwich Festival of Live Looping Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2007 14:30:46 +0100 Message-ID: <200711071330.lA7DUkNM028952@hermes.ramstein.af.mil> In-Reply-To: <008201c8213d$97b7b5a0$0201a8c0@eluk1> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Norwich Festival of Live Looping Thread-Index: AcghPaVy6b5+QzRbSY6QrtVtIg49YQAAD5Qg References: <200711061808.lA6I8ZNM012488@hermes.ramstein.af.mil> <440903.90465.qm@web53012.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <200711062011.lA6KBnNM006332@hermes.ramstein.af.mil> <008201c8213d$97b7b5a0$0201a8c0@eluk1> From: "Moore, David W Civ 86 MXS/MXMTA" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Nov 2007 13:30:45.0840 (UTC) FILETIME=[66EC9D00:01C82142] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76091 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2007 13:30:48 +0000 (UTC) HOW ABOUT A BUNCH OF PEOPLE WITH A BUNCH OF EBOWS?! david moore transient alert 86 mxs/mxmta 480-2061/5378 -----Original Message----- From: Stephen Goodman [mailto:spgoodman@earthlight.net]=20 Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2007 1:56 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Norwich Festival of Live Looping Has anyone here E-BOWED a piano? I've got a really old upright here, sounds=20 like a modified piano experiment thanks to damp and neglect in a basement=20 ... and until we have it looked at I'm not opening the thing up. A string -=20 or more likely the wood in the harp holding the chuck - let go the other night and we nearly jumped out of our skins. It'd be just typical if I=20 opened the top and got my hand sliced off by a sprung piano wire..! I'm shocked that I hadn't made this connection before though. Metal wires,=20 e-bow. Sigh, must be stress. Anyone done it? ----- Original Message -----=20 From: "Moore, David W Civ 86 MXS/MXMTA" To: Sent: Tuesday, 6 November, 2007 20:11 PM Subject: RE: Norwich Festival of Live Looping > Have you ever bowed a piano? > > david moore > transient alert > 86 mxs/mxmta > 480-2061/5378 > > -----Original Message----- > From: Stephen Scott [mailto:stevoj@yahoo.com] > Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2007 8:04 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: RE: Norwich Festival of Live Looping > > 'Fraid not, I'm another Stephen Scott! > > "Moore, David W Civ 86 MXS/MXMTA" wrote: > > Looks cool! Pardon me for being ignorant, but is that Stephen > scott who > did minervas web? I have been looking for other stuff by him! I > bought > Minervas Web, seems like 20 years ago! And I still think it is > one of > the most beautiful cd's ever! Can someone send me links to > Stephen scott > info? > > david moore > transient alert > 86 mxs/mxmta > 480-2061/5378 > > -----Original Message----- > From: andy butler [mailto:akbutler@tiscali.co.uk] > Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2007 5:12 PM > To: LD > Subject: Norwich Festival of Live Looping > > A stellar cast of loopers all together under one roof > > Norwich Arts Centre Bar 17 Nov 1pm till 5pm > > in order of appearance > > Stephen Scott > Matt Stevens > Michael Peters > Darkroom(+Andy Booker on drums) > andy butler > > ...yes, I know it looks like I'm headlining, but usually for > that venue > the regular punters will have mostly gone home by then, and if > there's > delays for any reason it's my set that gets cut short. > > So it's nothing on the scale of Y2Kseries, or ZurichFest, well > not this > year anyway. > Everybody on the bill showed an interest to come to play in > Norwich just > > for the hell of it. > > there's a nice poster for those who like that sort of thing > > http://www.andybutler.com/poster/loopfest.jpg > > andy butler > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > >=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 7 13:58:11 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 796783BED2; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 13:58:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com In-Reply-To: <9CDEA920-B4F4-44E3-AC59-D7C5634B1897@reyn.net> References: <612035.74610.qm@web38606.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <9CDEA920-B4F4-44E3-AC59-D7C5634B1897@reyn.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <9C8E9E18-EB9E-470B-9D10-DED1A2A49253@atarde.com.br> Cc: Andy Ewen Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: EDP sync problem Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2007 10:57:52 -0300 To: Loop List X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at atarde.com.br Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76092 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2007 13:58:11 +0000 (UTC) yes, the Y connection is fine! I did not test with very long cable... and I cannot here... did you test with short cables? Its actually interesting to look at the signal at the tip of the =20 cable, whenever you have access to a scope: its a square wave at sample frequency which has steps in it for each =20 unit connected. when those steps "walk", we are not synced. The loss =20 over the cable should be visible, too. does anyone remember having seen such spontaneous Record/Overdub as =20 Reyn experiences? looks like a new problem to me... does it only happen when all three units are connected? sorry for that confusion... that cirquit is to critical, somehow... On 7 Nov 2007, at 06:35, REYN wrote: > > On Nov 7, 2007, at 1:18 AM, L.A. Angulo wrote: > >> Matthias >> your EDPs must be different or i got lemons because i >> went throught it all,bought the crystals,had =B4em on my >> EDP oberheim installed,didnt work with my gibson EDP >> pro,sold it,got a black face still didnt sync,sold the >> cream one got another black one and finally they >> managed to sync better but not always, i would say 80% >> of the time ... >> cheers >> Luis > > At some point I did a test, and the way it's set up now with that =20 > BrotherSync Y cable and 3 black EDP's it worked 28 times out of 30 =20 > attempts. Which is 2 times too many when you're live on stage..... > > But maybe one of the cables is too long since it has to cross the =20 > whole stage and with all these lights and dimmers on stage, it =20 > can't be good and maybe sometimes the syncsignal gets distorted. > On Nov 7, 2007, at 1:08 AM, Matthias Grob wrote: > >> with three EDPs, BrotherSync should work, Rayn! > > And did I do the cabling right you think? With splitting 1 stereo =20 > cable into 2 stereo cables? Like a Y , but then stereo. It kinda =20 > works, but sometimes they loose sync or it starts recording/=20 > overdubbing spontaneously when 1 of them is waiting in RoundMode... > >> the first fix we recommend is to exchange the crystals of older =20 >> (cream) units to match the newer (black) better. >> did you know about that? Let me see wether Andy still has some! > > Chrystals?!?!?! Ehhh... Well, we use now 3 BLACK ones on stage. We =20 > have a cream spare one, but its good to know that that one will =20 > cause problems. Though the cream one is one of mine, so I would =20 > love to have it up to date... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 7 14:01:01 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1D1613BEE0; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 14:01:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 623115544-mk-filter-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com-B2C-$THROTTLED-DYNAMIC-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 79.74.153.24 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Aq4HAHJTMUdPSpkY/2dsb2JhbACCKqJq Message-ID: <4731C553.801@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2007 14:01:55 +0000 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Norwich Festival of Live Looping References: <200711061808.lA6I8ZNM012488@hermes.ramstein.af.mil> <440903.90465.qm@web53012.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <200711062011.lA6KBnNM006332@hermes.ramstein.af.mil> <008201c8213d$97b7b5a0$0201a8c0@eluk1> In-Reply-To: <008201c8213d$97b7b5a0$0201a8c0@eluk1> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <8kjCID.A.sDC.cUcMHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76093 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2007 14:01:01 +0000 (UTC) Stephen Goodman wrote: > Has anyone here E-BOWED a piano? I've got a really old upright here, > I'm shocked that I hadn't made this connection before though. Metal > wires, e-bow. Sigh, must be stress. > > Anyone done it? > I've seen percussionist Gino Robair do it. Wasn't actually all that impressive placed against some of the other wonderful sounds he made. a good trick ( when you get inside that piano) is to remove one of the hammers and bow it along the length of the string. Amazing whale sounds, esp with the sustain ped down. andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 7 14:52:50 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CB9333BED2; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 14:52:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <090801c8214d$dd4b7f10$52b4ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <20071102211625.093E83BED2@arsenic.violacea.com> <737345D0-8475-46E9-8FA6-1C9B3C8CD239@gmail.com> Subject: Y2K7 Images Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2007 07:52:47 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76094 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2007 14:52:50 +0000 (UTC) Per, everyone, I have the MP3 page on the Y2K7 site up and running now. I have included Per's video, Fabio's pictures, and all the thumbnail pictures I recieved from artists (based on Mark's photo work). If anyyone else has any pictures to share, send them my way. http://www.y2kloopfest.com/images.html Also, I know Mark is working on a digital gallary and will be getteing that on the site soon, so you can see all of the pictures he took of everyone. Kris From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 7 15:14:59 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DDB8E3BEDA; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 15:14:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 3601 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Wed, 07 Nov 2007 15:14:59 UTC Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2007 09:14:48 -0500 From: "William Hardy" Subject: Performance Space in Buffalo, New York To: Message-id: <01fb01c82148$8ee91120$acbb3360$@net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_01FC_01C8211E.A6130920" Content-language: en-us Thread-index: AcghSIom8p6o3frbRsmzSDkPMZUVvw== Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76095 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2007 15:14:59 +0000 (UTC) This is a multipart message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_01FC_01C8211E.A6130920 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello: I believe this is my first post. Given the broad nature of this forum, I thought that there may be loopers in Western New York and Southern Ontario. I am the pastor of a small church in Buffalo that has a large sanctuary with very nice acoustics and makes a wonderful space for music. If anyone would like to use it for a performance or to jam, let me know. There would be a nominal or no cost (depending on the use) for the performers. Use the email address below to contact me. Peace, Jim zhenghardy@verizon.net ------=_NextPart_000_01FC_01C8211E.A6130920 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

        Hello:

         

        I believe this is my first post.  Given the = broad nature of this forum, I thought that there may be loopers in Western New York and Southern Ontario.  I am the pastor of a small church in Buffalo = that has a large sanctuary with very nice acoustics and makes a wonderful space for music.  If anyone would like to use it for a performance or to jam, = let me know.  There would be a nominal or no cost (depending on the use) = for the performers.

         

        Use the email address below to contact = me.

         

        Peace,

         

        Jim

         

        zhenghardy@verizon.net

        ------=_NextPart_000_01FC_01C8211E.A6130920-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 7 15:21:17 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 265053BEF0; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 15:21:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <005d01c820ef$2fe8d600$6401a8c0@dayglogreen> References: <005d01c820ef$2fe8d600$6401a8c0@dayglogreen> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <4e16609f985e103a540f39ea7570948a@charter.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?tEd_=AE_KiLLiAn?= Subject: Re: LOOP CD review: Erdem Helvacioglu's Altered Realities Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2007 07:21:05 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) X-Chzlrs: 0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76096 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2007 15:21:17 +0000 (UTC) Rick, I will pipe in with my agreement here too. I bought Erdem's CD at Y2K7 and listened to it on the long drive home to Oregon. It is fantastic! I'm not sure where one would buy one except at one of his gigs. But it is definitely worth seeking out. Cheers, Ted Killian On Nov 6, 2007, at 7:35 PM, Rick Walker wrote: > Every now and then a recording becomes , perfectly, the > sound track for a period in one's life. The music for such a rare > occurence > has to not only stand up to the test of repeated listenings but it > must also be deep > and beautiful enough to grow on you each time you hear it. > > Erdem Helvacioglu's lovely and profound recording, Altered Realities > (music > for guitar and electronics) was on repeat play in my rental van during > the > whole two weeks before and after the recent Y2K7 Live Looping Festival. > > When I was relaxing, it proved incredibly stimulating, both > intellectually > and aesthetically. When I was stressed out it was just as equally > soothing > to listen to. > > Erdem is a profound budding talent. He has the ability to combine > beautiful > consonant harmonies and melodies on his acoustic Ovation guitar (which > he wields with sure and deft hands) with modern, dissonant electronic > backing tracks. > > In many attempts to pull off such a hybrid feat, many composers prove > adept > with one side of the equation yet appear sophomoric with the other > side. > > It is testimony to Erdem's artistry that he he exceeds admirably with > both. He somehow manages to sound beautifully classic while at the > same > time appearing as cutting edge as it possible: no mean feat. > > This is not a good record, it is a great one. Keep your eye on this > important new artist and go buy this recording today. You'll be glad > you did. > > Rick Walker > November 1st, 2007 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 7 15:30:00 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 553B03BEF5; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 15:30:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [65.95.65.2] X-Originating-Email: [mikestevensmusic@sympatico.ca] X-Sender: mikestevensmusic@sympatico.ca From: To: Subject: For Sale Looperlative LP1 Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2007 10:29:59 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_004C_01C82129.2639B130" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: MSN 9 X-MimeOLE: Produced By MSN MimeOLE V9.50.0039.1900 Seal-Send-Time: Wed, 7 Nov 2007 10:29:59 -0500 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Nov 2007 15:29:58.0715 (UTC) FILETIME=[0E5EB8B0:01C82153] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76097 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2007 15:30:00 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_004C_01C82129.2639B130 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Mike Stevens here I'm a long time lurker here on the the list I am primarily an = acoustic musician lately touring some bluegrass related music that = only has one looping tune in the set The Looperlative is just sitting at home unused so I need to let it go = Its in mint condition never racked or taken out of the house. I would like $1200. plus shipping If anyone is interested please = email me off list=20 Mike Stevens = mikestevensmusic@sympatico.ca = It will ship from Port Huron MI Thanks mike ------=_NextPart_000_004C_01C82129.2639B130 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
        Hi    Mike Stevens here
        I'm a long time lurker here on the the = list      I=20 am primarily an acoustic musician   lately touring some = bluegrass=20 related music that only has one looping tune in the set
         
        The Looperlative is just sitting at home unused so I need to let it = go      Its in mint condition never racked or = taken out=20 of the house.
         
        I would like  $1200.  plus=20 shipping       If anyone is interested = please=20 email me off list
         
        Mike Stevens    mikestevensmusic@sympatico.= ca      =20 It will ship from Port Huron MI
         
        Thanks
        mike
        ------=_NextPart_000_004C_01C82129.2639B130-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 7 15:30:40 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8906F3BF02; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 15:30:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; bh=VGuiQ7c/nvianXgjCe53V3kP8/xHnZM7p8gVp2fJloU=; b=pSNwx8nGTD/TbYhWaEHuSWmUBBnHWZMh5SYnY0lkNXMfPIl7OkY6DH/KBJvb/xgDp1bGuSdar/vz+8aZ7exc02u7Fc8dWYoslDgtjXFg+zFTPtJ1Y0FWopnIap0XrniHF3iAcnHkUmTrzXD5QpLUaEA41f3EcFrJ7kvUmrurKUg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=l3nCkaGhH8gn7PpW/UbDbVqg6AWnLE+dM8u0LmJGHRYK1Y/tRXB/IHrbLFvq3Eq5pmbI/HOC0xMyS2D/8jYtktY1RdFSe5B0nSd3N1yuSpBSPXRkZtZurbfeS0H1iPcYzmo8xjc2+cWJzBB+WcZNg+riA3PcQfb3sg8h0jNTEtI= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <4e16609f985e103a540f39ea7570948a@charter.net> References: <005d01c820ef$2fe8d600$6401a8c0@dayglogreen> <4e16609f985e103a540f39ea7570948a@charter.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <5040887D-1B42-43B8-A028-F914D26062A2@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: LOOP CD review: Erdem Helvacioglu's Altered Realities Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2007 16:30:34 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76098 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2007 15:30:40 +0000 (UTC) On 7 nov 2007, at 16.21, tEd =AE KiLLiAn wrote: > I will pipe in with my agreement here too. > I bought Erdem's CD at Y2K7 and listened to it on the long drive =20 > home to Oregon. > It is fantastic! > I'm not sure where one would buy one except at one of his gigs. > But it is definitely worth seeking out. Ok, let me pipe in too. I really enjoyed hearing Erdem's CD in Rick's =20= car when helping out with this and that during the festival days. I =20 also heard Erdem play for three nights on a row and all the time I =20 was thinking that "before I go back to Sweden I must buy that disc". =20 On the last day I approached Erdem to buy his disc - but guess what? =20 They were all sold out! Grrr... Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 7 15:49:53 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AF9383BEDA; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 15:49:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: HarryEsq@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2007 10:49:16 EST Subject: Re: LOOP CD review: Erdem Helvacioglu's Altered Realities To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-----------------------------1194450556" X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 15301 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76099 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2007 15:49:53 +0000 (UTC) -------------------------------1194450556 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I think there's a way to get the disc via Erdem's website. Haven't checked recently though. I think I snapped up the last one he had at the Festival. Needless to say I echo what has already been said about the CD and Erdem's playing. Very inspirational, especially what he was able to do at the Fest without his regular setup. Harry Harry Weinberg, Esq. Law Offices of Harry Weinberg 11 Beach Street - 8th Floor New York, N.Y. 10013 (212) 989-2908 ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com -------------------------------1194450556 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
        I think there's a way to get the disc via Erdem's website.  Haven'= t=20 checked recently though.  I think I snapped up the last one he had at t= he=20 Festival.  Needless to say I echo what has already been said about the=20= CD=20 and Erdem's playing.  Very inspirational, especially what he was able t= o do=20 at the Fest without his regular setup.
         
        Harry
         
        Harry=20 Weinberg, Esq.
        Law Offices of Harry Weinberg
        11 Beach Street - 8th=20 Floor
        New York, N.Y. 10013
        (212)=20 989-2908



        -------------------------------1194450556-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 7 15:56:21 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D7AD53BED6; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 15:56:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: HarryEsq@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2007 10:56:06 EST Subject: Re: Performance Space in Buffalo, New York To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-----------------------------1194450966" X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 15301 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76100 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2007 15:56:21 +0000 (UTC) -------------------------------1194450966 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit HI all: I will have the privilege of being in Buffalo the weekend of 12/8-12/9 (for Bills-Dolphins) and would happily lug my gear with me if there were other like-minded folks who will be in the area and wanting to play that weekend (Saturday afternoon/evening). Any takers? Regards, Harry Weinberg, Esq. Law Offices of Harry Weinberg 11 Beach Street - 8th Floor New York, N.Y. 10013 (212) 989-2908 ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com -------------------------------1194450966 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
        HI all:
         
        I will have the privilege of being in Buffalo the weekend of 12/8-12/9=20= (for=20 Bills-Dolphins) and would happily lug my gear with me if there were other=20 like-minded folks who will be in the area and wanting to play that weekend=20 (Saturday afternoon/evening).  Any takers?
         
        Regards,
         
        Harry=20 Weinberg, Esq.
        Law Offices of Harry Weinberg
        11 Beach Street - 8th=20 Floor
        New York, N.Y. 10013
        (212)=20 989-2908



        -------------------------------1194450966-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 7 16:34:20 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 450ED3BEDA; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 16:34:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 623182006-mk-filter-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com-B2C-$THROTTLED-DYNAMIC-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 79.74.153.24 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Aq4HAIt3MUdPSpkY/2dsb2JhbACCJgSiSw Message-ID: <4731E943.8060601@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2007 16:35:15 +0000 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: LD Subject: Expression Pedal - Alesis F2 Review Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76101 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2007 16:34:20 +0000 (UTC) I took a risk and ordered 4 of these for the new Gordius Midi controller. Well, at only £25 I was expecting something that would work well enough, and be suitably light in weight.(that's about $50). Can be used as expression pedal, or swell pedal (vol controller). Expression pedal 100k linear pot, with special switch to change form Roland type to Yamaha type (ie Roland and most others have wiper to tip, Yamaha+Zoom have wiper to ring) 100k matches the Yamaha/Zoom format exactly, for the Roland type it's a bit high ( usually 20k?), but then it should still work. Works fine with Gordius, and lex Vortex Volume control (suitable for guitar) mono 250k log pot basic swell, with a tiny little knob to control the min volume . No, it won't work with EDP, I've tried. build is incredibly solid, metal chassis and pedal. Weighs a whole kilogram :-( unusual mechanism, all the vulnerable parts are hidden in the pedal made in China Conclusion You could buy 2 of these for the price of one EV-5 by Roland, and another 2 for the price of an FC-7 by Yamaha. Don't know how long the pots will last, but construction is way more solid than the competitors. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 7 16:40:52 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CB7493BEE7; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 16:40:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 600 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Wed, 07 Nov 2007 16:40:51 UTC DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=7JPHUBbqPah7v4FnZi4SbejDKvBP2QLfEp4cmHy8aZc=; b=ou/CULDzJKZrfkqvXP9yqo7p2c9Eq2Wdi3eoVXjx5BVSRD8P4NRiXxD4TokzWFHBgcrMEr8WrIlID16Zu1+VX0Ib8D8frZR/7jG5dbMHqp+76RZMGyqGnwmBUc5CCXrTYEhnAJQeopxTBweIn3NiABb4+lTAnfBSw77P/nzvdj0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=f9NaEMbw+pIXbsy/yj7wCqu1yrYsJAlQyAlC3ebgSJYOgwzWzXjFjRRqxdflhgPASCJFffN0K97LIo+W2cZTKXPqNJZPFEboRnRLhfa+RI4dOlcNzioJpIo29tTFd+Sb84PY1cuobfb/LHjuKy3X8eofP77u5Q661Ji0HhZzkJs= Message-ID: Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2007 11:30:49 -0500 From: "Dennis Moser" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Performance Space in Buffalo, New York In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76102 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2007 16:40:52 +0000 (UTC) Hi all, I'm in for it ... I'll make the trek from Boston to play on Saturday evening ... Dennis On Nov 7, 2007 10:56 AM, wrote: > > > HI all: > > I will have the privilege of being in Buffalo the weekend of 12/8-12/9 (for > Bills-Dolphins) and would happily lug my gear with me if there were other > like-minded folks who will be in the area and wanting to play that weekend > (Saturday afternoon/evening). Any takers? > > Regards, > > Harry Weinberg, Esq. > Law Offices of Harry Weinberg > 11 Beach Street - 8th Floor > New York, N.Y. 10013 > (212) 989-2908 > > > ________________________________ > See what's new at AOL.com and Make AOL Your Homepage. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 7 16:49:35 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 30A4F3BED8; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 16:49:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; bh=f5pOLjURY3E85T6ir3kq77RdBSXxBdYjj3U9VEh0lN0=; b=TDcugnjvpnkEmuRJzD/BtyY7BWmvU3UhLf4yJILf/QMyXEKevIbAk1NI+gaK1LyyIGoELS1nGnq3pDlEN+KZTAKFZI4VuSVuDLx49H2fxbSiEdhOeJWTbLEKvF6f9lJdsddto/4WUIEfM4ypsFXuHEYBtvnw182ZaRYCbgxZxo0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=un4CPIeDcBEO/+dO9NmGGCppkvXX5vXnz39SA20CieO8SYd021SLe8JNXQ4mC1fZwMd4Fq97J970qeROWwitbVlXavKtBvGXhypM0Ut501z/frSZaA5MoCyeL+vemONGJmWJAe5bWC5Cp3maP8Fp6eFdyQH1m0MnJCacG8tUMpU= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <4731E943.8060601@tiscali.co.uk> References: <4731E943.8060601@tiscali.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Expression Pedal - Alesis F2 Review Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2007 17:49:27 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76103 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2007 16:49:35 +0000 (UTC) On 7 nov 2007, at 17.35, andy butler wrote: > Conclusion > You could buy 2 of these for the price of one EV-5 by Roland, > and another 2 for the price of an FC-7 by Yamaha. > Don't know how long the pots will last, but construction is > way more solid than the competitors. Strange that they are so much cheaper in UK than in US. Usually it's the other way around? 1 kg is quite heavy! One should need to hook up in a transatlantic/ transpacific F2 ownership collaboration to help each other save up on flight overweight costs! ;-) Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 7 16:55:19 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3A7843BEF6; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 16:55:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 400 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Wed, 07 Nov 2007 16:55:18 UTC Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: <4731E943.8060601@tiscali.co.uk> References: <4731E943.8060601@tiscali.co.uk> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-30--748931642 Message-Id: From: Sean Mormelo Subject: Re: Expression Pedal - Alesis F2 Review Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2007 07:48:36 -0900 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76104 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2007 16:55:19 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-30--748931642 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; delsp=yes; format=flowed On Nov 7, 2007, at 7:35 AM, andy butler wrote: > I took a risk and ordered 4 of these for the new Gordius Midi =20 > controller. > Well, at only =A325 I was expecting something that would work well =20 > enough, > and be suitably light in weight.(that's about $50). > > Can be used as expression pedal, or swell pedal (vol controller). > > > Expression pedal > 100k linear pot, with special switch to > change form Roland type to Yamaha type > (ie Roland and most others have wiper to tip, Yamaha+Zoom have =20 > wiper to ring) > > 100k matches the Yamaha/Zoom format exactly, > for the Roland type it's a bit high ( usually 20k?), > but then it should still work. > > Works fine with Gordius, and lex Vortex > > Volume control (suitable for guitar) > mono 250k log pot > basic swell, with a tiny little knob to control the min volume . > > No, it won't work with EDP, I've tried. > > build is incredibly solid, metal chassis and pedal. > Weighs a whole kilogram :-( > > unusual mechanism, all the vulnerable parts are hidden in the pedal > > made in China > > Conclusion > You could buy 2 of these for the price of one EV-5 by Roland, > and another 2 for the price of an FC-7 by Yamaha. > Don't know how long the pots will last, but construction is > way more solid than the competitors. > > > > > > > > Musicians friend here in the US, has these things for 80 bucks...I =20 can't see how and expression pedal costs that much. Sorry, i'm not =20 paying that. Need cheaper alternatives. Sean Mormelo sean@seanmormelo.com www.seanmormelo.com www.myspace.com/seanmormelo --Apple-Mail-30--748931642 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1
        On Nov 7, 2007, at = 7:35 AM, andy butler wrote:

        I took a risk and ordered 4 of these for the new = Gordius Midi controller.
        Well, at only = =A325 I was expecting something that would work well enough,
        and be suitably light in weight.(that's about = $50).

        Can be used as expression pedal, or swell pedal (vol = controller).


        100k linear pot, with = special switch to
        change form Roland type to = Yamaha type
        (ie Roland and most others have = wiper to tip, Yamaha+Zoom have wiper to ring)

        100k = matches the Yamaha/Zoom format exactly,
        for the = Roland type it's a bit high ( usually 20k?),
        but then it should still work.

        Works = fine with Gordius, and lex Vortex

        Volume control (suitable for = guitar)
        mono 250k log pot
        basic swell, with a tiny little knob to control the = min volume .

        No, it won't work with EDP, I've tried.

        build is = incredibly solid, metal chassis and pedal.
        Weighs a = whole kilogram :-(
        unusual mechanism, all the = vulnerable parts are hidden in the pedal

        made in = China

        Conclusion
        You could buy = 2 of these for the price of one EV-5 by Roland,
        and another 2 for the price of an FC-7 by = Yamaha.
        Don't know how long the pots = will last, but construction is
        way more = solid than the competitors.









        Musicians friend here in the US, = has these things for 80 bucks...I can't see how and expression pedal = costs that much. Sorry, i'm not paying that. Need cheaper = alternatives.


        =
        Sean = Mormelo
        ww= w.seanmormelo.com
        www.myspace.com/seanmormelo



         =

        = --Apple-Mail-30--748931642-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 7 17:11:23 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 766A03BEE8; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 17:11:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 3608 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Wed, 07 Nov 2007 17:11:23 UTC Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2007 11:10:54 -0500 From: "William Hardy" Subject: RE: Performance Space in Buffalo, New York In-reply-to: To: Message-id: <023201c82158$c8ecf430$5ac6dc90$@net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0233_01C8212E.E016EC30" Content-language: en-us Thread-index: AcghWCh6vPsP8nYLT7ycCdA4Z7++fAAAHzEQ References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76105 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2007 17:11:23 +0000 (UTC) This is a multipart message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0233_01C8212E.E016EC30 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I can provide the following instruments if individuals do not want to lug theirs: acoustic upright bass and acoustic drums. From: HarryEsq@aol.com [mailto:HarryEsq@aol.com] Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2007 10:56 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Performance Space in Buffalo, New York HI all: I will have the privilege of being in Buffalo the weekend of 12/8-12/9 (for Bills-Dolphins) and would happily lug my gear with me if there were other like-minded folks who will be in the area and wanting to play that weekend (Saturday afternoon/evening). Any takers? Regards, Harry Weinberg, Esq. Law Offices of Harry Weinberg 11 Beach Street - 8th Floor New York, N.Y. 10013 (212) 989-2908 _____ See what's new at AOL.com and Make AOL Your Homepage. ------=_NextPart_000_0233_01C8212E.E016EC30 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

        I can provide the following instruments if individuals do = not want to lug theirs: acoustic upright bass and acoustic = drums.

         

        From:= = HarryEsq@aol.com [mailto:HarryEsq@aol.com]
        Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2007 10:56 AM
        To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
        Subject: Re: Performance Space in Buffalo, New = York

         

        HI all:

         

        I will have the privilege of being in Buffalo the weekend = of 12/8-12/9 (for Bills-Dolphins) and would happily lug my gear with me if = there were other like-minded folks who will be in the area and wanting to play = that weekend (Saturday afternoon/evening).  Any = takers?

         

        Regards,

         

        Harry Weinberg, Esq.
        Law Offices of Harry Weinberg
        11 Beach Street - 8th Floor
        New York, N.Y. 10013
        (212) 989-2908



        See what's new at AOL.com and = Mak= e AOL Your Homepage.

        ------=_NextPart_000_0233_01C8212E.E016EC30-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 7 17:17:34 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7A4E63BEC7; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 17:17:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C82162.17613E23" Subject: RE: LOOP CD review: Erdem Helvacioglu's Altered Realities Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2007 12:17:36 -0500 Message-ID: <641CEFFC7E5B6C42AB59539653FD08238E2EB4@wcu-ex-emp2.PASSHE.LCL> In-Reply-To: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: LOOP CD review: Erdem Helvacioglu's Altered Realities Thread-Index: AcghYiAPT56257KNQHC3UsjaKvrn5g== References: From: "Dean, Hal " To: , X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Nov 2007 17:17:36.0610 (UTC) FILETIME=[17934C20:01C82162] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76106 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2007 17:17:34 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C82162.17613E23 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Erdem Helvacioglu's web site directs one to http://www.newalbion.com/NA131/, New Albion records, for purchase of "Altered Realities." Hal Dean =20 ________________________________ From: HarryEsq@aol.com [mailto:HarryEsq@aol.com]=20 Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2007 10:49 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: LOOP CD review: Erdem Helvacioglu's Altered Realities I think there's a way to get the disc via Erdem's website. Haven't checked recently though. I think I snapped up the last one he had at the Festival. Needless to say I echo what has already been said about the CD and Erdem's playing. Very inspirational, especially what he was able to do at the Fest without his regular setup. =20 Harry =20 Harry Weinberg, Esq. Law Offices of Harry Weinberg 11 Beach Street - 8th Floor New York, N.Y. 10013 (212) 989-2908 ________________________________ See what's new at AOL.com = and Make AOL Your Homepage . ------_=_NextPart_001_01C82162.17613E23 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

        Erdem Helvacioglu's web site directs = one to http://www.newalbion.com/NA131/<= /A>, New=20 Albion records, for purchase of "Altered Realities."

        Hal Dean
         

        From: HarryEsq@aol.com = [mailto:HarryEsq@aol.com]=20
        Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2007 10:49 AM
        To:=20 Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
        Subject: Re: LOOP CD = review: Erdem=20 Helvacioglu's Altered Realities

        I think there's a way to get the disc via Erdem's website.  = Haven't=20 checked recently though.  I think I snapped up the last one he had = at the=20 Festival.  Needless to say I echo what has already been said about = the CD=20 and Erdem's playing.  Very inspirational, especially what he was = able to do=20 at the Fest without his regular setup.
         
        Harry
         
        Harry=20 Weinberg, Esq.
        Law Offices of Harry Weinberg
        11 Beach Street - 8th = Floor
        New York, N.Y. 10013
        (212) = 989-2908



        See what's new at AOL.com=20 and Make AOL Your Homepage.
        ------_=_NextPart_001_01C82162.17613E23-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 7 17:19:19 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 837213BEDD; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 17:19:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 432 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Wed, 07 Nov 2007 17:19:18 UTC DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=phtx170xHwGoT3cjoRPGhlgmnAjraBfJwejOHfO5jPM=; b=QtoVMTkmD7eSwOj4YLyYWa6GgeCQHO0h4oUQMGLJaaFfBAw1vbVZBLDqb+lyhSWa214dnMtzXSRQCSnHq2MElBUzDKqHpfZwuxn+Jl2GTABTDDRuBwkIykKcKyvZZxLn8t0Hbid8we8R20xs0QnrO6KhWPdnEqngTpgrfMOoy6c= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=I1uZtpvVXRigAEx7jKUmhPlfBACT2uUfrIplftyGRLKRvWHv2+OS5/sGP2wdrkgCtfpHPE9N7rLodQYpj5dk/LWYUulRZMb4E4yagZUfYBnxweokUKaESCcFikiP1bVrz/eDbvo+CXoJ2IBjKmu69jKvI3WDzx++cDSpV6SjO0c= Message-ID: <588ce11d0711070911r3a4f82c9h1570964da0936343@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2007 09:11:56 -0800 From: "Art Simon" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Expression Pedal - Alesis F2 Review In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <4731E943.8060601@tiscali.co.uk> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76107 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2007 17:19:19 +0000 (UTC) Nice write up. I've never heard of the Alesis F2, but I'll keep an eye out for one. I bought the m-audio expression pedal. It's cheaper but I'm not entirely happy with it: http://www.zzounds.com/item--MDOEXP The main problem is that there is no enough friction, It's a bit "floppy" for my tastes. The FCB1010 pedals feel just right to me. In it's favor, the M-audio pedal never seems to need calibration and always sends the correct range of values. -- Art Simon simart@null.net http://art.simon.tripod.com http://www.myspace.com/artsimon From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 7 17:20:54 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A19263BEF9; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 17:20:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2007 12:20:39 -0500 From: "William Hardy" Subject: RE: Performance Space in Buffalo, New York In-reply-to: <023201c82158$c8ecf430$5ac6dc90$@net> To: Message-id: <024f01c82162$84f305d0$8ed91170$@net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0250_01C82138.9C1CFDD0" Content-language: en-us Thread-index: AcghWCh6vPsP8nYLT7ycCdA4Z7++fAAAHzEQAAJrj4A= References: <023201c82158$c8ecf430$5ac6dc90$@net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76108 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2007 17:20:54 +0000 (UTC) This is a multipart message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0250_01C82138.9C1CFDD0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello: Forgot to mention. We will have a PA and I have a low watt (18 watt) guitar amp. Peace, Jim From: William Hardy [mailto:zhenghardy@verizon.net] Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2007 11:11 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Performance Space in Buffalo, New York I can provide the following instruments if individuals do not want to lug theirs: acoustic upright bass and acoustic drums. From: HarryEsq@aol.com [mailto:HarryEsq@aol.com] Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2007 10:56 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Performance Space in Buffalo, New York HI all: I will have the privilege of being in Buffalo the weekend of 12/8-12/9 (for Bills-Dolphins) and would happily lug my gear with me if there were other like-minded folks who will be in the area and wanting to play that weekend (Saturday afternoon/evening). Any takers? Regards, Harry Weinberg, Esq. Law Offices of Harry Weinberg 11 Beach Street - 8th Floor New York, N.Y. 10013 (212) 989-2908 _____ See what's new at AOL.com and Make AOL Your Homepage. ------=_NextPart_000_0250_01C82138.9C1CFDD0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

        Hello:

         

        Forgot to mention.  We will have a PA and I have a = low watt (18 watt) guitar amp. 

         

        Peace,

         

        Jim

         

        From:= William = Hardy [mailto:zhenghardy@verizon.net]
        Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2007 11:11 AM
        To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
        Subject: RE: Performance Space in Buffalo, New = York

         

        I can provide the following instruments if individuals do = not want to lug theirs: acoustic upright bass and acoustic = drums.

         

        From:= = HarryEsq@aol.com [mailto:HarryEsq@aol.com]
        Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2007 10:56 AM
        To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
        Subject: Re: Performance Space in Buffalo, New = York

         

        HI all:

         

        I will have the privilege of being in Buffalo the weekend = of 12/8-12/9 (for Bills-Dolphins) and would happily lug my gear with me if = there were other like-minded folks who will be in the area and wanting to play = that weekend (Saturday afternoon/evening).  Any = takers?

         

        Regards,

         

        Harry Weinberg, Esq.
        Law Offices of Harry Weinberg
        11 Beach Street - 8th Floor
        New York, N.Y. 10013
        (212) 989-2908

         

        See what's new at AOL.com and = Mak= e AOL Your Homepage.

        ------=_NextPart_000_0250_01C82138.9C1CFDD0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 7 17:22:36 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 71CA23BF06; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 17:22:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <380-220071137172233620@M2W008.mail2web.com> X-Priority: 3 Reply-To: qua@oregon.com X-Originating-IP: 134.134.136.4 X-URL: http://mail2web.com/ From: "qua@oregon.com" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2007 12:22:33 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: LOOP CD review: Erdem Helvacioglu's Altered Realities Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76109 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2007 17:22:36 +0000 (UTC) Its available on iTunes=20 -Qua Original Message: ----------------- From: tEd =AE KiLLiAn tedkillian@charter=2Enet Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2007 07:21:05 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight=2Ecom Subject: Re: LOOP CD review: Erdem Helvacioglu's Altered Realities Rick, I will pipe in with my agreement here too=2E I bought Erdem's CD at Y2K7 and listened to it on the long drive home=20 to Oregon=2E It is fantastic! I'm not sure where one would buy one except at one of his gigs=2E But it is definitely worth seeking out=2E Cheers, Ted Killian On Nov 6, 2007, at 7:35 PM, Rick Walker wrote: > Every now and then a recording becomes , perfectly, the > sound track for a period in one's life=2E The music for such a rare=20= > occurence > has to not only stand up to the test of repeated listenings but it=20 > must also be deep > and beautiful enough to grow on you each time you hear it=2E > > Erdem Helvacioglu's lovely and profound recording, Altered Realities=20 > (music > for guitar and electronics) was on repeat play in my rental van during=20= > the > whole two weeks before and after the recent Y2K7 Live Looping Festival=2E= > > When I was relaxing, it proved incredibly stimulating, both=20 > intellectually > and aesthetically=2E When I was stressed out it was just as equally=20= > soothing > to listen to=2E > > Erdem is a profound budding talent=2E He has the ability to combine=20 > beautiful > consonant harmonies and melodies on his acoustic Ovation guitar (which > he wields with sure and deft hands) with modern, dissonant electronic > backing tracks=2E > > In many attempts to pull off such a hybrid feat, many composers prove=20= > adept > with one side of the equation yet appear sophomoric with the other=20 > side=2E > > It is testimony to Erdem's artistry that he he exceeds admirably with > both=2E He somehow manages to sound beautifully classic while at the=20= > same > time appearing as cutting edge as it possible: no mean feat=2E > > This is not a good record, it is a great one=2E Keep your eye on this > important new artist and go buy this recording today=2E You'll be glad > you did=2E > > Rick Walker > November 1st, 2007 -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web LIVE =96 Free email based on Microsoft=AE Exchange technology - http://link=2Email2web=2Ecom/LIVE From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 7 17:22:51 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1A8243BF13; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 17:22:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <4731E943.8060601@tiscali.co.uk> References: <4731E943.8060601@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2007 11:22:27 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Mech Subject: Re: Expression Pedal - Alesis F2 Review Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" ; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: <3U_6CB.A.cpE.qRfMHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76110 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2007 17:22:51 +0000 (UTC) At 4:35 PM +0000 11/7/07, andy butler wrote: >I took a risk and ordered 4 of these for the new Gordius Midi controller. >Well, at only =A325 I was expecting something that would work well enough, >and be suitably light in weight.(that's about $50). > >Can be used as expression pedal, or swell pedal (vol controller). I've had one of these for around a year, but have=20 only used it as a volume controller. I pretty much agree with everything andy has=20 mentioned, and would add the following: Likes: Passive electronics, no battery required Wider than your standard pedal. I've got=20 larger-than-usual feet (~size 13). You'd think=20 that it would be the length that would matter=20 more in manipulating the pedal, but the=20 additional width also helps give extra control if=20 you've got huge feet. Travel logarithm seems more in line with the=20 Yamaha FC-7/FC-9 (which I love) than the Roland=20 EV-5. I think it gives smoother, more=20 controllable swells, but that's entirely a=20 personal thing so YMMV. Jacks in the front. I like having the volume=20 pedal slightly offset from my other pedals (a few=20 inches closer to me) so that I don't bump the=20 other pedals while I'm rocking the volume.=20 Having the jacks in the front keeps things a=20 little tighter on my pedalboard. Again, YMMV. Dislikes: Mono. If you've got a stereo source, forget it. >build is incredibly solid, metal chassis and pedal. >Weighs a whole kilogram :-( You could kill somebody with one of these things=20 (erm, YMMV?). That means it's not going to move=20 around much onstage or go south due to structural=20 issues. Conversely, I don't envy your having to=20 carry around four of these things, andy. Thanks for the review!!! :) --m. -- _____ "I want to keep you alive so there is always the=20 possibility of murder... later" From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 7 18:26:58 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D75993BEC1; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 18:26:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; bh=JXoWV/mc41aNvONZKvff7y5aOH9wIJacq23I6/IaImw=; b=EYzDir6WIhQtYk2aSGBqNVZOYd5ar8NOEa5rG2LeM/XfEflodsxzwUFQbbeV5eKu4bvUG1pSajaue+ruBR0nBkiimwbtoe3cUwtE1itYQfixAKDH3S5H++fSkuwXq6+5t6rxJo4U6j9tIrjNoSjK0O2XMuIAuThtUw+dZ5n2kmk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=mia9iDaveOcLzrEGBPG7YC+DHaWRS38S67DT6C5PMpS+GSfEYt8SEh0NtMxTSkFUH2XwJzquY54R+lQ6NZScMIph+34n5eR9sLt0BqsipMRpM03ns7x5gfdkHt0D8mRVFqViG3uJYkSXsnmHJxHhxAsSeVKRIf+BDket9Ne2ZBw= Message-ID: Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2007 10:26:55 -0800 From: "Travis Hartnett" To: LD Subject: Wireless foot controllers for laptops MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76111 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2007 18:26:58 +0000 (UTC) Anyone have any experience with this?: http://www.x-tempozone.com/?gclid=CID6lvaty48CFQh6gwodFnYf8w "Wireless, hands-free, remote control for digital audio workstations. An essential accessory for studio or stage, the pok frees your hands, and allows you to remote-control your DAW from another room, other end of the stage etc. The pok is compatible with Mac and PC DAWs, including Pro Tools, Logic, Ableton, Digital Performer, Cubase, Sonar, GarageBand and more. Adding or changing command assignments on the pok's buttons is a piece of cake, using the included pok Editor software. And the pok is wireless. No cables to connect, or trip over." TH From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 7 18:28:51 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3B3933BEE6; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 18:28:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 1109 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Wed, 07 Nov 2007 18:28:50 UTC DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=Ev5frP4vrQbbf8z68PjxqJqekmTsidKxxMrIzlPGpF8=; b=Ky18Ucus0drH35oDJNPwycPCrrIS3KJpzihF1FLW8DlbZnC7LO7JUUBgywIe693hexhDxdd4JBMQwa3ENv0ZJEok/U6e+AIriNgy5foAxAta9Qm8R6Jvt7vf2XjKHB1mCxAikxRSpKB8IfLgJflz4GncDaoEmkK9b+b7eo+Ls4I= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=R+OGOCx2Xo2GKqC2ItlNXTJ9e23pa9C+zftpJ9t/KiGgrRl83Qw5rb1agG/AsXS2aoy56R6XA1oeqDXTjP7gGvYn/JxrOJYGJjQE8/8yOpw7B8+YJL8pOk9J9WHma9w/q9YXldL79JGADJuN1wkagHGwB8UYmtUR5MlY47kQDCk= Message-ID: Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2007 13:03:36 -0500 From: "radio radio" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Performance Space in Buffalo, New York In-Reply-To: <024f01c82162$84f305d0$8ed91170$@net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_19299_18603881.1194458616219" References: <023201c82158$c8ecf430$5ac6dc90$@net> <024f01c82162$84f305d0$8ed91170$@net> Resent-Message-ID: <7RDdCB.A.haH.iPgMHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76112 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2007 18:28:51 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_19299_18603881.1194458616219 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline I'd be interested too. Could someone send an email out when the time draws closer? Eben On 11/7/07, William Hardy wrote: > > Hello: > > > > Forgot to mention. We will have a PA and I have a low watt (18 watt) > guitar amp. > > > > Peace, > > > > Jim > > > > *From:* William Hardy [mailto:zhenghardy@verizon.net] > *Sent:* Wednesday, November 07, 2007 11:11 AM > *To:* Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > *Subject:* RE: Performance Space in Buffalo, New York > > > > I can provide the following instruments if individuals do not want to lug > theirs: acoustic upright bass and acoustic drums. > > > > *From:* HarryEsq@aol.com [mailto:HarryEsq@aol.com] > *Sent:* Wednesday, November 07, 2007 10:56 AM > *To:* Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > *Subject:* Re: Performance Space in Buffalo, New York > > > > HI all: > > > > I will have the privilege of being in Buffalo the weekend of 12/8-12/9 > (for Bills-Dolphins) and would happily lug my gear with me if there were > other like-minded folks who will be in the area and wanting to play that > weekend (Saturday afternoon/evening). Any takers? > > > > Regards, > > > > Harry Weinberg, Esq. > Law Offices of Harry Weinberg > 11 Beach Street - 8th Floor > New York, N.Y. 10013 > (212) 989-2908 > > > ------------------------------ > > See what's new at AOL.com and Make > AOL Your Homepage > . > ------=_Part_19299_18603881.1194458616219 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline
        I'd be interested too. Could someone send an email out when the time draws closer?
         
        Eben
         


         
        On 11/7/07, William Hardy <zhenghardy@verizon.net> wrote:

        Hello:

         

        Forgot to mention.  We will have a PA and I have a low watt (18 watt) guitar amp. 

         

        Peace,

         

        Jim

         

        From: William Hardy [mailto:zhenghardy@verizon.net ]
        Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2007 11:11 AM
        To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
        Subject: RE: Performance Space in Buffalo, New York

         

        I can provide the following instruments if individuals do not want to lug theirs: acoustic upright bass and acoustic drums.

         

        From: HarryEsq@aol.com [mailto: HarryEsq@aol.com]
        Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2007 10:56 AM
        To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
        Subject: Re: Performance Space in Buffalo, New York

         

        HI all:

         

        I will have the privilege of being in Buffalo the weekend of 12/8-12/9 (for Bills-Dolphins) and would happily lug my gear with me if there were other like-minded folks who will be in the area and wanting to play that weekend (Saturday afternoon/evening).  Any takers?

         

        Regards,

         

        Harry Weinberg, Esq.
        Law Offices of Harry Weinberg
        11 Beach Street - 8th Floor
        New York, N.Y. 10013
        (212) 989-2908

         

        See what's new at AOL.com and Make AOL Your Homepage.


        ------=_Part_19299_18603881.1194458616219-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 7 18:37:56 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 69D993BEF0; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 18:37:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2007 13:34:46 -0500 From: "William Hardy" Subject: RE: Performance Space in Buffalo, New York In-reply-to: To: Message-id: <025a01c8216c$dfec0270$9fc40750$@net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_025B_01C82142.F715FA70" Content-language: en-us Thread-index: AcghbA5KSfvL63QjSVunElZ1jORW0wAAJXbw References: <023201c82158$c8ecf430$5ac6dc90$@net> <024f01c82162$84f305d0$8ed91170$@net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76113 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2007 18:37:56 +0000 (UTC) This is a multipart message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_025B_01C82142.F715FA70 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Eben: Email be your email address at zhenghardy@verizon.net and will make sure that you are "cced" on all correspondence related to this event. Jim From: radio radio [mailto:radiotelevision@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2007 1:04 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Performance Space in Buffalo, New York I'd be interested too. Could someone send an email out when the time draws closer? Eben On 11/7/07, William Hardy wrote: Hello: Forgot to mention. We will have a PA and I have a low watt (18 watt) guitar amp. Peace, Jim From: William Hardy [mailto:zhenghardy@verizon.net ] Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2007 11:11 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Performance Space in Buffalo, New York I can provide the following instruments if individuals do not want to lug theirs: acoustic upright bass and acoustic drums. From: HarryEsq@aol.com [mailto: HarryEsq@aol.com ] Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2007 10:56 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Performance Space in Buffalo, New York HI all: I will have the privilege of being in Buffalo the weekend of 12/8-12/9 (for Bills-Dolphins) and would happily lug my gear with me if there were other like-minded folks who will be in the area and wanting to play that weekend (Saturday afternoon/evening). Any takers? Regards, Harry Weinberg, Esq. Law Offices of Harry Weinberg 11 Beach Street - 8th Floor New York, N.Y. 10013 (212) 989-2908 _____ See what's new at AOL.com and Make AOL Your Homepage. ------=_NextPart_000_025B_01C82142.F715FA70 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

        Eben:

         

        Email be your email address at zhenghardy@verizon.net and = will make sure that you are "cced" on all correspondence related to this = event.

         

        Jim

         

        From:= radio = radio [mailto:radiotelevision@gmail.com]
        Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2007 1:04 PM
        To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
        Subject: Re: Performance Space in Buffalo, New = York

         

        I'd be interested too. Could someone send an email = out when the time draws closer?

         

        Eben

         



         

        On 11/7/07, William = Hardy <zhenghardy@verizon.net> = wrote:

        Hello:

         

        Forgot to mention. =  We will have a PA and I have a low watt (18 watt) guitar amp.  =

         

        Peace,

         

        Jim =

         

        From: William Hardy [mailto:zhenghardy@verizon.net ]
        Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2007 11:11 AM
        To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
        Subject: RE: Performance Space in Buffalo, New = York

         

        I can provide the = following instruments if individuals do not want to lug theirs: acoustic upright = bass and acoustic drums.

         

        From: HarryEsq@aol.com [mailto: = HarryEsq@aol.com]
        Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2007 10:56 AM
        To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
        Subject: Re: Performance Space in Buffalo, New = York

         

        HI = all:

         

        I will have the = privilege of being in Buffalo the weekend of 12/8-12/9 (for Bills-Dolphins) and would happily lug my gear with me if there were other like-minded folks who = will be in the area and wanting to play that weekend (Saturday = afternoon/evening).  Any takers?

         

        Regards,

         

        Harry Weinberg, Esq.
        Law Offices of Harry Weinberg
        11 Beach Street - 8th Floor
        New York, N.Y. 10013
        (212) 989-2908

         

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        ------=_NextPart_000_025B_01C82142.F715FA70-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 7 18:42:33 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C23CC3BEE6; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 18:42:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <380-220071137184228425@M2W039.mail2web.com> X-Priority: 3 Reply-To: qua@oregon.com X-Originating-IP: 134.134.136.4 X-URL: http://mail2web.com/ From: "qua@oregon.com" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2007 13:42:28 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: Wireless foot controllers for laptops Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76114 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2007 18:42:33 +0000 (UTC) Interesting=2E It appears to be mostly for 'transport' control, rather th= an general midi - like a foot version of the Tranzport ( http://www=2Efrontierdesign=2Ecom/Products/TranzPort ) which is about 1/3 = the price=2E -Qua Original Message: ----------------- From: Travis Hartnett travishartnett@gmail=2Ecom Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2007 10:26:55 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight=2Ecom Subject: Wireless foot controllers for laptops Anyone have any experience with this=3F: http://www=2Ex-tempozone=2Ecom/=3Fgclid=3DCID6lvaty48CFQh6gwodFnYf8w "Wireless, hands-free, remote control for digital audio workstations=2E An essential accessory for studio or stage, the pok frees your hands, and allows you to remote-control your DAW from another room, other end of the stage etc=2E The pok is compatible with Mac and PC DAWs, including Pro Tools, Logic, Ableton, Digital Performer, Cubase, Sonar, GarageBand and more=2E Adding or changing command assignments on the pok's buttons is a piece of cake, using the included pok Editor software=2E And the pok is wireless=2E No cables to connect, or trip over=2E" TH -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web=2Ecom =96 Enhanced email for the mobile individual based on Micro= soft=AE Exchange - http://link=2Email2web=2Ecom/Personal/EnhancedEmail From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 7 18:46:55 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C33513BEE2; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 18:46:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <47320807.1090905@post.cybercity.dk> Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2007 19:46:31 +0100 From: van Sinn Reply-To: vansinn@post.cybercity.dk Organization: van Sinn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Wireless foot controllers for laptops References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76115 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2007 18:46:55 +0000 (UTC) Travis Hartnett wrote: > Anyone have any experience with this?: > > http://www.x-tempozone.com/?gclid=CID6lvaty48CFQh6gwodFnYf8w > > > "Wireless, hands-free, remote control for digital audio workstations. > > An essential accessory for studio or stage, the pok frees your hands, > and allows you to remote-control your DAW from another room, other end > of the stage etc. > > The pok is compatible with Mac and PC DAWs, including Pro Tools, > Logic, Ableton, Digital Performer, Cubase, Sonar, GarageBand and more. > > > Adding or changing command assignments on the pok's buttons is a piece > of cake, using the included pok Editor software. Could be handy, erm.. footy ;) seems well made (on paper). Pity one has to register to download a manual for checking it out.. From the FAQ; note it's not a MIDI thingy: Can I use the pok to send MIDI commands to the DAW? No. The pok is not a MIDI device. I changed my DAW's keyboard shortcut commands from the original defaults. Will the pok work with my custom commands? Yes. You can create or edit pok profiles to suit your needs. Using pok Editor, you can easily edit and save your custom shortcuts to your workstation, and write them to pok memory. I have more than one DAW, each one using a different host application. Can I use the same pok on the different DAWs? Yes, you can use the same pok. However, you may need to load a different profile for the different DAWs, to match the keyboard commands to your host applications. You can install the pok Editor software on your DAWs, run pok Editor to load the appropriate profile and write it to the pok before using the pok with the host application. -- rgds, van Sinn From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 7 18:59:46 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E584F3BECC; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 18:59:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-SBRS: None X-SenderGroup: RELAYLIST X-MailFlowPolicy: $RELAYED X-MID: 815851074 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: Wireless foot controllers for laptops Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2007 18:59:44 -0000 Message-ID: <1BB076E4C332F9469148F41725F17A720601BDC1@MTVNE-EXCLUST02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> In-Reply-To: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Wireless foot controllers for laptops Thread-Index: AcghcFvrO69yaptRQIeEg1Yt2rsbEQ== References: From: "Goddard, Duncan" To: "LD" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Nov 2007 18:59:44.0946 (UTC) FILETIME=[5C592920:01C82170] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76116 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2007 18:59:46 +0000 (UTC) >>http://www.x-tempozone.com/?gclid=3DCID6lvaty48CFQh6gwodFnYf8w "Wireless, hands-free, remote control for digital audio workstations. [snip] No cables to connect, or trip over." where's the socket for an expression pedal or two? dammit, what's with these people?=20 I can remember ranting about the number of so-called controller keyboards that had volume controls on their tops but no socket for foot-controlled volume..... & now this? but I've had a lot of coffee today. :-) d. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 7 19:06:26 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C5B683BEEE; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 19:06:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <098901c82171$4b12bf40$52b4ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <4731E943.8060601@tiscali.co.uk> <588ce11d0711070911r3a4f82c9h1570964da0936343@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: Expression Pedal - Alesis F2 Review Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2007 12:06:24 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76117 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2007 19:06:26 +0000 (UTC) That is a good price, relative to the Roland EV-5...way to expensive for that little piece of plastic. I wish I would known about these earlier, as I just bought a second one. Kris > Nice write up. I've never heard of the Alesis F2, but I'll keep an > eye out for one. > > I bought the m-audio expression pedal. It's cheaper but I'm not > entirely happy with it: > http://www.zzounds.com/item--MDOEXP > The main problem is that there is no enough friction, It's a bit > "floppy" for my tastes. The FCB1010 pedals feel just right to me. In > it's favor, the M-audio pedal never seems to need calibration and > always sends the correct range of values. > > > > > -- > Art Simon > simart@null.net > http://art.simon.tripod.com > http://www.myspace.com/artsimon > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 7 19:27:54 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 759313BEF7; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 19:27:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=/BmAHTDEqzw7fj5euZ+xxULa6oLoa+/fLJSF1Okc2d8=; b=PqgKvkEL4IP+5XxmqSVZOb1XdDFwMv+5QITA2PMIQAMhRBmQgOD9uRhLJjN71SnhkY48d/FSq9cGbFkyIlcUTUhQj5SngNF/xMfC4OAwKsPDdC7prHQhK/LXw5VuFojVvABW2R+p5xnAydXzEdBgDp76LWqqJ82798DIiSVoOcs= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=iLdtlpPZ/N4ipY4Js4O7TMuqWvH6ckqTVjZqHKSJ39mp1F33qSoxpiNeE3q4HoLma2grF8hmtow1xVU1B2E9Klxzg6hNXveFd5vbf3j6Q6cFclsS2O+qizpNowVqv6C9OQI/a4yoLjy0+9QvPJPFrVqQihgayC8utnj56V7MjJE= Message-ID: <37f071c00711071127v27bfe362h8df16850a51c9837@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2007 11:27:51 -0800 From: "Kevin Cheli-Colando" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Expression Pedal - Alesis F2 Review In-Reply-To: <4731E943.8060601@tiscali.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <4731E943.8060601@tiscali.co.uk> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76118 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2007 19:27:54 +0000 (UTC) Speaking of expression pedals,anyone ever use the Behringer pedals? http://www.zzounds.com/item--BEHFCV100 Bad reviews for volume control but $25 for a metal expression pedal might be good. Kevin From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 7 19:35:45 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2F2F93BEE8; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 19:35:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <47321389.7000906@mhorse.com> Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2007 13:35:37 -0600 From: Daryl Shawn User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.13 (Windows/20070809) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Performance Space in Buffalo, New York References: <20071107182851.1112F3BEF6@arsenic.violacea.com> In-Reply-To: <20071107182851.1112F3BEF6@arsenic.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76119 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2007 19:35:45 +0000 (UTC) William, thanks so much for offering this space. Venues like this are a wonderful alternative to bars and I'm sure many of us will be in touch about it in the future! Daryl Shawn www.swanwelder.com www.chinapaintingmusic.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 7 20:01:58 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5A5263BEF1; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 20:01:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4732199D.5050506@post.cybercity.dk> Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2007 21:01:33 +0100 From: van Sinn Reply-To: vansinn@post.cybercity.dk Organization: van Sinn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Wireless foot controllers for laptops References: <1BB076E4C332F9469148F41725F17A720601BDC1@MTVNE-EXCLUST02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> In-Reply-To: <1BB076E4C332F9469148F41725F17A720601BDC1@MTVNE-EXCLUST02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76120 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2007 20:01:58 +0000 (UTC) Goddard, Duncan wrote: >>>http://www.x-tempozone.com/?gclid=CID6lvaty48CFQh6gwodFnYf8w > > > > "Wireless, hands-free, remote control for digital audio workstations. > [snip] No cables to connect, or trip over." > > where's the socket for an expression pedal or two? dammit, what's with > these people? > > I can remember ranting about the number of so-called controller > keyboards that had volume controls on their tops but no socket for > foot-controlled volume..... & now this? It's not a normal music gear pedal, no MIDI; see my other post.. > but I've had a lot of coffee today. :-) Maybe too much..? :-D -- rgds, van Sinn From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 7 20:09:53 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7CE573BEE8; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 20:09:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 400 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Wed, 07 Nov 2007 20:09:52 UTC DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=Xy8R30pCgeborhyjVGndK6eCnRNM8NSkfyZENifbj7qt1a8rlPYhOaaRoWCUDMVRI9uUFVaWOBGV2Eeklf3hzOnH+c7VkP2+klfCtnNUWxuYTjMI5SlUI5IGUjTIhW8mblhIPIOnp27blziVSW9w1lfWt87JQv4Xr/TuP4RRZqo=; X-YMail-OSG: fJwKZNAVM1mxsRPQOZmnD0f7b1wP._lj6DRGemRoPNTBTgG3z2t_rR1T1B3KjXaFPg-- Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2007 12:03:12 -0800 (PST) From: ditch wrestler Subject: DL4 Expression Pedals (was: Alesis F2 Review) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <37f071c00711071127v27bfe362h8df16850a51c9837@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-889914664-1194465792=:75811" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <252657.75811.qm@web34302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76121 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2007 20:09:53 +0000 (UTC) --0-889914664-1194465792=:75811 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Anybody know if the Alesis, M-Audio, or Behringer pedals will work as an expression pedal for the DL4? ted. Kevin Cheli-Colando wrote: Speaking of expression pedals,anyone ever use the Behringer pedals? http://www.zzounds.com/item--BEHFCV100 Bad reviews for volume control but $25 for a metal expression pedal might be good. Kevin "Indeed, naturally I think that a film should have a beginning, middle, and an end — but not necessarily in that order." Jean Luc Goddard __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com --0-889914664-1194465792=:75811 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
        Anybody know if the Alesis, M-Audio, or Behringer pedals will work as an expression pedal for the DL4?
         
         
        ted.


        Kevin Cheli-Colando <billowhead@gmail.com> wrote:
        Speaking of expression pedals,anyone ever use the Behringer pedals?

        http://www.zzounds.com/item--BEHFCV100

        Bad reviews for volume control but $25 for a metal expression pedal
        might be good.

        Kevin




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        http://mail.yahoo.com --0-889914664-1194465792=:75811-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 7 20:11:19 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C51CC3BED5; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 20:11:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 623278931-mk-filter-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com-B2C-$THROTTLED-DYNAMIC-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 79.74.153.24 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Aq4HAO+pMUdPSpkY/2dsb2JhbACCJgSOIJQ0 Message-ID: <47321C1F.2000000@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2007 20:12:15 +0000 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Expression Pedal - Alesis F2 Review References: <4731E943.8060601@tiscali.co.uk> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76122 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2007 20:11:19 +0000 (UTC) > > Musicians friend here in the US, has these things for 80 bucks...I can't > see how and expression pedal costs that much. Sorry, i'm not paying > that. Need cheaper alternatives. > > Sean Mormelo well, in your country the EV-5 is $60, it actually makes sense for the F2 to cost a bit more, it's metal, and it has more features, and it's list price is $179. Essentially, though, an expression ped is a wah-wah pedal without a few (cheap) electronic components. I know it seems a lot to pay for something that doesn't have a sound of it's own, but exp peds have all the hardware of a wah, so not surprising they cost almost as much. andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 7 20:23:14 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 069803BEDD; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 20:23:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <09ec01c8217c$0425b320$52b4ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <4731E943.8060601@tiscali.co.uk> Subject: Re: Expression Pedal - Alesis F2 Review Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2007 13:23:09 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76123 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2007 20:23:13 +0000 (UTC) Thanks for all the othe pedal options. I am using the EV-5s and I just ran into a problem. Since the EV-5s already have a cord attached to them with a stereo male end, I had to buy a few Hosa TSR adaptors. The problem is that the adaptor wires are barely long enough to reach from the input and ouput plugins of my Fireface 400 (yes, I am using them to control parameters in max, rather than MIDI, which requires splitting the expression pedal inputs and creating a loop between input/output of the audio interface. They do connect, but I'm worried about the tension. Hence, I am thinking of getting two other pedals that don't have the cables already on them, but just the jacks. Then I can just buy a TSR male to two mono quarter inch male patch cord and not need any TSR Y-cables. I conslidated the list of options: Alesis F2 - $80 USD http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/Alesis-F2-Expression-Pedal?sku=157505 Behringer - $25 USD http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/Behringer-FCV100-Dual-Mode-Footcontroller?sku=150932 Yamaha - $70 USD http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/Yamaha-Dual-Volume-Pedal?sku=151553 Boss - $90 http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/429697-REG/Boss_FV_500H_FV500H_Volume_and_Expression.html The Alesis looks very attractive. The m-audio, not shown above, looks nice, but it has a hard wired cable attached, like the EV-5. Kris From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 7 20:29:35 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 10B953BED9; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 20:29:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <380-220071137202931694@M2W008.mail2web.com> X-Priority: 3 Reply-To: qua@oregon.com X-Originating-IP: 134.134.136.4 X-URL: http://mail2web.com/ From: "qua@oregon.com" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2007 15:29:31 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: Expression Pedal - Alesis F2 Review Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76124 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2007 20:29:35 +0000 (UTC) Hi, One other pedal to consider is the Ernie Ball Jr=2E $99 http://www=2Emusiciansfriend=2Ecom/product/Ernie-Ball-VP-JR=2E-Passive-Vol= ume-Peda l=3Fsku=3D152107&src=3D3WFRWXX This one is passive, and they make an active version=2E I'm not clear on how you are connecting the exp pedals to the FF400=2E Are= they going into audio in/out jacks =3F -Qua Original Message: ----------------- From: Krispen Hartung khartung@cableone=2Enet Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2007 13:23:09 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight=2Ecom Subject: Re: Expression Pedal - Alesis F2 Review Thanks for all the othe pedal options=2E I am using the EV-5s and I just = ran=20 into a problem=2E Since the EV-5s already have a cord attached to them wit= h a=20 stereo male end, I had to buy a few Hosa TSR adaptors=2E The problem is th= at=20 the adaptor wires are barely long enough to reach from the input and ouput= =20 plugins of my Fireface 400 (yes, I am using them to control parameters in=20= max, rather than MIDI, which requires splitting the expression pedal input= s=20 and creating a loop between input/output of the audio interface=2E They d= o=20 connect, but I'm worried about the tension=2E Hence, I am thinking of gett= ing=20 two other pedals that don't have the cables already on them, but just the=20= jacks=2E Then I can just buy a TSR male to two mono quarter inch male patc= h=20 cord and not need any TSR Y-cables=2E I conslidated the list of options: Alesis F2 - $80 USD http://www=2Emusiciansfriend=2Ecom/product/Alesis-F2-Expression-Pedal=3Fsk= u=3D157505 Behringer - $25 USD http://www=2Emusiciansfriend=2Ecom/product/Behringer-FCV100-Dual-Mode-Foot= contro ller=3Fsku=3D150932 Yamaha - $70 USD http://www=2Emusiciansfriend=2Ecom/product/Yamaha-Dual-Volume-Pedal=3Fsku=3D= 151553 Boss - $90 http://www=2Ebhphotovideo=2Ecom/c/product/429697-REG/Boss=5FFV=5F500H=5FFV= 500H=5FVolume=5F and=5FExpression=2Ehtml The Alesis looks very attractive=2E The m-audio, not shown above, looks nice,=20 but it has a hard wired cable attached, like the EV-5=2E Kris -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web=2Ecom - Microsoft=AE Exchange solutions from a leading provider -= http://link=2Email2web=2Ecom/Business/Exchange From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 7 20:45:06 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CA9043BEE6; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 20:45:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 632164824-mk-filter-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com-B2C-$THROTTLED-DYNAMIC-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 79.74.153.24 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Aq4HAOexMUdPSpkY/2dsb2JhbACCJgSiQQ Message-ID: <4732240C.3040801@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2007 20:46:04 +0000 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: DL4 Expression Pedals References: <252657.75811.qm@web34302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <252657.75811.qm@web34302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <3S8tVC.A.AfF.SPiMHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76125 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2007 20:45:06 +0000 (UTC) ditch wrestler wrote: > Anybody know if the Alesis, M-Audio, or Behringer pedals will work as an > expression pedal for the DL4? > > > ted. > The Alesis works, but the response is very slow. OK for slow fadeouts. The Boss FV-50L works fine. (it's a volume control for line level signals) andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 7 20:53:41 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C3D1E3BED9; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 20:53:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 643153490-mk-filter-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com-B2C-$THROTTLED-DYNAMIC-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 79.74.153.24 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Aq4HAHy0MUdPSpkY/2dsb2JhbACCJgSiXg Message-ID: <4732260F.3080504@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2007 20:54:39 +0000 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Expression Pedal - Behringer References: <4731E943.8060601@tiscali.co.uk> <37f071c00711071127v27bfe362h8df16850a51c9837@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <37f071c00711071127v27bfe362h8df16850a51c9837@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76126 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2007 20:53:41 +0000 (UTC) Not used. It's got a VCA which means that as a swell pedal it's active, and will affect tone if used with guitar directly (won't necessarily sound worse) >From the website, they say the modulation output is for connecting to a keyboards modulation input. So likely it's active ranging from 0-5V So would seem not to be an "expression pedal" in the EV-5 sense. andy butler Kevin Cheli-Colando wrote: > Speaking of expression pedals,anyone ever use the Behringer pedals? > > http://www.zzounds.com/item--BEHFCV100 > > Bad reviews for volume control but $25 for a metal expression pedal > might be good. > > Kevin > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 7 21:00:37 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9AB143BEF1; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 21:00:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=uBGJvXnvWEJReSoU09MoOpQ8mvgWYitPpZi4DVpzjnM=; b=NZoX0dusrBBJ/iqlstDewwwW4zyZtz1DDlf7bD10DWAw4vHXH+HeVHej3mfG6UTZ8vo3wxX+4oa9F7am7g8UDu/epGMNdnkaGlCRALdpiWrcsMZp9kn4Tk683caYOGnS0JqcpBFIbZSpOxWMvESrCDDVK5q69Yp8FNbJspVynBQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=NV45vW5F7TIJaijvk4zBQoEkw7xrAh8Zbawk8ZGdbrh//06qnfG66CB0P9xJ/xztl4uQWYjaUvPXM31O/6Aqor3CjMbmG89JOi5NhbA4RQ+tHuGzOXtFxMfWrg5WBh/W/pD86EIfJVCcftpTPM/gE4BoG27sANsoZuxwe1FJm7g= Message-ID: Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2007 16:00:31 -0500 From: "Tony K" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Expression Pedal - Behringer In-Reply-To: <4732260F.3080504@tiscali.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <4731E943.8060601@tiscali.co.uk> <37f071c00711071127v27bfe362h8df16850a51c9837@mail.gmail.com> <4732260F.3080504@tiscali.co.uk> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76127 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2007 21:00:37 +0000 (UTC) I have the Behringer and I tried it with the Vortex and it's flakey. Flakey as in it doesn't always change the values, it jumps, just not right. Not sure if it's the vortex or the Behringer since I haven't tried another pedal, but something isn't right. Tony On Nov 7, 2007 3:54 PM, andy butler wrote: > Not used. > It's got a VCA which means that as a swell pedal it's active, > and will affect tone if used with guitar directly (won't necessarily > sound worse) > > From the website, they say the modulation output is for > connecting to a keyboards modulation input. > So likely it's active ranging from 0-5V > > So would seem not to be an "expression pedal" in the EV-5 sense. > > andy butler > > Kevin Cheli-Colando wrote: > > Speaking of expression pedals,anyone ever use the Behringer pedals? > > > > http://www.zzounds.com/item--BEHFCV100 > > > > Bad reviews for volume control but $25 for a metal expression pedal > > might be good. > > > > Kevin > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 7 21:11:14 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D2AB13BEE0; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 21:11:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <0a0a01c82182$ba165530$52b4ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <380-220071137202931694@M2W008.mail2web.com> Subject: Re: Expression Pedal - Alesis F2 Review Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2007 14:11:11 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: <0em9JD.A.ghG.yniMHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76128 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2007 21:11:14 +0000 (UTC) Except that it is a mono volume pedal, not an expression pedal, which requires TSR. The more likely candiate would be the stereo Ernie ball pedal: http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/Ernie-Ball-6165-Stereo-VolumePan-Pedal?sku=152102 But I have no idea whether it would work as an expression pedal. It has a TSR input. Does anyone know? It is very pricey, but I am a huge fan of Ernie Ball pedals, built like tanks. I use the mono volume pedal. Good grief though, if I had three of these monsters in my gear case, I might go over the airline weigh limit and have to pay extra. Kris Hi, One other pedal to consider is the Ernie Ball Jr. $99 http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/Ernie-Ball-VP-JR.-Passive-Volume-Peda l?sku=152107&src=3WFRWXX This one is passive, and they make an active version. I'm not clear on how you are connecting the exp pedals to the FF400. Are they going into audio in/out jacks ? -Qua Original Message: ----------------- From: Krispen Hartung khartung@cableone.net Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2007 13:23:09 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Expression Pedal - Alesis F2 Review Thanks for all the othe pedal options. I am using the EV-5s and I just ran into a problem. Since the EV-5s already have a cord attached to them with a stereo male end, I had to buy a few Hosa TSR adaptors. The problem is that the adaptor wires are barely long enough to reach from the input and ouput plugins of my Fireface 400 (yes, I am using them to control parameters in max, rather than MIDI, which requires splitting the expression pedal inputs and creating a loop between input/output of the audio interface. They do connect, but I'm worried about the tension. Hence, I am thinking of getting two other pedals that don't have the cables already on them, but just the jacks. Then I can just buy a TSR male to two mono quarter inch male patch cord and not need any TSR Y-cables. I conslidated the list of options: Alesis F2 - $80 USD http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/Alesis-F2-Expression-Pedal?sku=157505 Behringer - $25 USD http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/Behringer-FCV100-Dual-Mode-Footcontro ller?sku=150932 Yamaha - $70 USD http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/Yamaha-Dual-Volume-Pedal?sku=151553 Boss - $90 http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/429697-REG/Boss_FV_500H_FV500H_Volume_ and_Expression.html The Alesis looks very attractive. The m-audio, not shown above, looks nice, but it has a hard wired cable attached, like the EV-5. Kris -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web.com - Microsoft® Exchange solutions from a leading provider - http://link.mail2web.com/Business/Exchange From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 7 21:32:05 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1009A3BED5; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 21:32:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 643169167-mk-filter-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com-B2C-$THROTTLED-DYNAMIC-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 79.74.154.212 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Aq4HAGK9MUdPSprU/2dsb2JhbACCJgSiNg Message-ID: <47322F0E.1060702@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2007 21:33:02 +0000 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Expression Pedal - Alesis F2 Review References: <380-220071137202931694@M2W008.mail2web.com> <0a0a01c82182$ba165530$52b4ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> In-Reply-To: <0a0a01c82182$ba165530$52b4ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76129 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2007 21:32:05 +0000 (UTC) Unlikely this works as expression ped. It'll have log pots, which will mess up the range. Wonder why it's TSR andy butler Krispen Hartung wrote: > Except that it is a mono volume pedal, not an expression pedal, which > requires TSR. The more likely candiate would be the stereo Ernie ball > pedal: > > http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/Ernie-Ball-6165-Stereo-VolumePan-Pedal?sku=152102 > > > But I have no idea whether it would work as an expression pedal. It has > a TSR input. Does anyone know? It is very pricey, but I am a huge fan of > Ernie Ball pedals, built like tanks. I use the mono volume pedal. Good > grief though, if I had three of these monsters in my gear case, I might > go over the airline weigh limit and have to pay extra. > > Kris > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 7 21:56:59 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2F55B3BEE7; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 21:56:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=ZMLypWScUZNU+keDtQZ83yScvzkEWLcW7M6acDIpB3bThhvasEm1pJJtkehXqrzlakkMji9hHN5Kv4S8EMt64IMYiRZ89wgLFvbb3cxvbbce1HaDlZouGullzLTgJi4ZQdfxz7/IdMI1OLF95pgfHv7/4efG4ZCSW4lXanS6OxM=; X-YMail-OSG: wMi9QjoVM1nwPuXgcE6EGnjXqE.S.9S5Mg_Z3iLBFwX3p6UIjIS6BOOxF5gTjRARPbrwr9.TxmNXTcCC73jSVbJWvLyrxc0G.spUu0nYEltdGvw60QA- Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2007 13:56:56 -0800 (PST) From: Subject: Re: DL4 Expression Pedals (was: Alesis F2 Review) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <252657.75811.qm@web34302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <145737.50659.qm@web34513.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76130 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2007 21:56:58 +0000 (UTC) I'm currently using the M audio and have found it to be decent.... but I can still faintly hear the loop when I'm trying to mute using the pedal. --- ditch wrestler wrote: > Anybody know if the Alesis, M-Audio, or Behringer > pedals will work as an expression pedal for the DL4? > > > ted. > > > Kevin Cheli-Colando wrote: > Speaking of expression pedals,anyone ever use the > Behringer pedals? > > http://www.zzounds.com/item--BEHFCV100 > > Bad reviews for volume control but $25 for a metal > expression pedal > might be good. > > Kevin > > > > > "Indeed, naturally I think that a film should have a > beginning, middle, and an end — but not necessarily > in that order." Jean Luc Goddard > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com www.myspace.com/mesqua www.reverbnation.com/stevenguerrero __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 7 21:59:38 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 64A8C3BEE8; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 21:59:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <380-220071137215922716@M2W044.mail2web.com> X-Priority: 3 Reply-To: qua@oregon.com X-Originating-IP: 134.134.136.4 X-URL: http://mail2web.com/ From: "qua@oregon.com" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Expression Pedal - Alesis F2 Review Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2007 16:59:22 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: <_xqInD.A.Ph.KVjMHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76131 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2007 21:59:38 +0000 (UTC) I think the Ernie Ball pedals can be switched between linear and log (via = a little switch inside the pedal)=2E I haven't tried using one with a midi foot controller, but I was under the= impression that it would work=2E I'm new to this , so perhaps it wouldn't= , and I have yet another learning curve ahead of me ;-) -Qua Original Message: ----------------- From: andy butler akbutler@tiscali=2Eco=2Euk Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2007 21:33:02 +0000 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight=2Ecom Subject: Re: Expression Pedal - Alesis F2 Review Unlikely this works as expression ped=2E It'll have log pots, which will mess up the range=2E Wonder why it's TSR andy butler Krispen Hartung wrote: > Except that it is a mono volume pedal, not an expression pedal, which=20= > requires TSR=2E The more likely candiate would be the stereo Ernie ball=20= > pedal: >=20 > http://www=2Emusiciansfriend=2Ecom/product/Ernie-Ball-6165-Stereo-VolumePa= n-Peda l=3Fsku=3D152102=20 >=20 >=20 > But I have no idea whether it would work as an expression pedal=2E It ha= s=20 > a TSR input=2E Does anyone know=3F It is very pricey, but I am a huge fa= n of=20 > Ernie Ball pedals, built like tanks=2E I use the mono volume pedal=2E G= ood=20 > grief though, if I had three of these monsters in my gear case, I might=20= > go over the airline weigh limit and have to pay extra=2E >=20 > Kris >=20 -------------------------------------------------------------------- myhosting=2Ecom - Premium Microsoft=AE Windows=AE and Linux web and applic= ation hosting - http://link=2Emyhosting=2Ecom/myhosting From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 7 22:29:21 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5CCEA3BEE2; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 22:29:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <0a2401c8218d$a3471870$52b4ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <380-220071137202931694@M2W008.mail2web.com> <0a0a01c82182$ba165530$52b4ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <47322F0E.1060702@tiscali.co.uk> Subject: Re: Expression Pedal - Alesis F2 Review Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2007 15:29:17 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76132 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2007 22:29:21 +0000 (UTC) ----- Original Message ----- > Unlikely this works as expression ped. > It'll have log pots, which will mess up the range. > > Wonder why it's TSR > > andy butler Here is why....doesn't help us, though. "This Ernie Ball 6165 stereo volume/pan pedal is designed for easy flexibility and great sound. Its 2 input and 2 output jacks accommodate stereo TRS cables or mono TS cables and let you quickly select between volume control or pan control." From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 7 22:33:21 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EF6873BEDA; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 22:33:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X_CMAE_Category: 0,0 Undefined,Undefined X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=vggBfdFIAAAA:8 a=82DS99lwjnTmbvsgIZgA:9 a=6XKomCJYHemQRWW-eMmsQ2fspuIA:4 a=hUswqBWy9Q8A:10 a=br5QjLurtgQA:10 a=gi0PWCVxevcA:10 X-CM-Score: 0 X-Scanned-by: Cloudmark Authority Engine Authentication-Results: smtp08.embarq.synacor.com smtp.mail=echohead@embarqmail.com; spf=neutral Authentication-Results: smtp08.embarq.synacor.com smtp.user=echohead@embarqmail.com; auth=pass (LOGIN) Received-SPF: neutral (smtp08.embarq.synacor.com: 71.48.241.17 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of embarqmail.com) Message-ID: <001001c8218e$304db210$0202a8c0@YOUR08D5303051> From: "Jeff Duke" To: References: <005d01c820ef$2fe8d600$6401a8c0@dayglogreen> <4e16609f985e103a540f39ea7570948a@charter.net> Subject: Re: LOOP CD review: Erdem Helvacioglu's Altered Realities Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2007 17:33:15 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76133 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2007 22:33:20 +0000 (UTC) I got it here for instant gratification! http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_ss_dmusic/104-5797716-7464701?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=Erdem+Helvacio%3Flu It's really great... Jeff ----- Original Message ----- From: "tEd ® KiLLiAn" To: Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2007 10:21 AM Subject: Re: LOOP CD review: Erdem Helvacioglu's Altered Realities > Rick, > > I will pipe in with my agreement here too. > > I bought Erdem's CD at Y2K7 and listened to it on the long drive home to > Oregon. > > It is fantastic! > > I'm not sure where one would buy one except at one of his gigs. > > But it is definitely worth seeking out. > > Cheers, > > Ted Killian From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 7 22:38:39 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A10763BEE6; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 22:38:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=2WY+Ooojr/iBTCfGkUAHlkofrkZhMHG7lzesD0avzTEGkqV2l01sLR9ZFjM+A9nOqcg0ZSJ7J5CzhQbVZ9JNXS7biK145I8khcSIylNMqugKOBQG9BpDeXgtZ4yjo0nGaH+HnjkzxiP6Eq1sQ+KH5JFnzL1dNYZ4VuDyDpSmt2c=; X-YMail-OSG: vSvZbHoVM1mTv1K8CKJ6DL.huEKNtsiY_rRCeWeM8y05RHLIuNUQK4qfTX06wV76qCaZCsxxPn.omeqzQ1KBafC7GLj2wbRCYCchLuIggPiIH6ReL5U- Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2007 14:38:37 -0800 (PST) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: new loop To: Loopers Delight MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <733488.2102.qm@web38604.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: <-uh2gB.A.yEC.v5jMHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76134 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2007 22:38:39 +0000 (UTC) A little new loop idea,inspired by the california wilfires,is called "burning peninsula" http://www.luis-angulo.com/looplab.htm thanx for listening! Cheers Luis www.myspace.com/luisangulocom __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 7 22:43:48 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1EB543BEE2; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 22:43:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <380-220071137224345733@M2W032.mail2web.com> X-Priority: 3 Reply-To: qua@oregon.com X-Originating-IP: 134.134.136.4 X-URL: http://mail2web.com/ From: "qua@oregon.com" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2007 17:43:45 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Expression vs Vol pedal for midi control Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76135 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2007 22:43:47 +0000 (UTC) Hi Kris,=20 Can you please clarify for me=2E=2E=2E =20 The EV-5 is generally considered to be an "expression pedal" and will work= in an exp=2Epedal input on hardware processors, or exp=2Epedal input on a= midi controller - correct=3F Pedals like the Ernie Ball have inputs/outputs and are considered "volume pedals"=2E However, they will work as expression pedals when plugged into = the exp=2Epedal input of a hardware processor or midi controller when used wit= h a TRS-TSx2 Y cable=2E ie=2E they will send CC 0-127 and can be calibrate= d like an EV-5 - Correct=3F In any case, I don't understand how an EV-5 (not a volume pedal) can be used with the audio in/outs on a Fireface 400=2E -Qua Original Message: ----------------- From: Krispen Hartung khartung@cableone=2Enet Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2007 13:23:09 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight=2Ecom Subject: Re: Expression Pedal - Alesis F2 Review Thanks for all the othe pedal options=2E I am using the EV-5s and I just = ran=20 into a problem=2E Since the EV-5s already have a cord attached to them wit= h a=20 stereo male end, I had to buy a few Hosa TSR adaptors=2E The problem is th= at=20 the adaptor wires are barely long enough to reach from the input and ouput= =20 plugins of my Fireface 400 (yes, I am using them to control parameters in=20= max, rather than MIDI, which requires splitting the expression pedal input= s=20 and creating a loop between input/output of the audio interface=2E They d= o=20 connect, but I'm worried about the tension=2E Hence, I am thinking of gett= ing=20 two other pedals that don't have the cables already on them, but just the=20= jacks=2E Then I can just buy a TSR male to two mono quarter inch male patc= h=20 cord and not need any TSR Y-cables=2E =2E=2E=2E=2E, -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web LIVE =96 Free email based on Microsoft=AE Exchange technology - http://link=2Email2web=2Ecom/LIVE From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 7 22:53:19 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CC54A3BED6; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 22:53:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <380-220071137225318174@M2W020.mail2web.com> X-Priority: 3 Reply-To: qua@oregon.com X-Originating-IP: 134.134.136.4 X-URL: http://mail2web.com/ From: "qua@oregon.com" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2007 17:53:18 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: new loop Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76136 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2007 22:53:19 +0000 (UTC) Hi Luis Very nice! btw, what can you tell us about the "Rick Walker special effects" on Voodoo Dancer=3F -Qua Original Message: ----------------- From: L=2EA=2E Angulo labaloops@yahoo=2Ecom Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2007 14:38:37 -0800 (PST) To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight=2Ecom Subject: new loop=20 A little new loop idea,inspired by the california wilfires,is called "burning peninsula" http://www=2Eluis-angulo=2Ecom/looplab=2Ehtm thanx for listening! Cheers Luis www=2Emyspace=2Ecom/luisangulocom =5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F= =5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F= Do You Yahoo!=3F Tired of spam=3F Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around=20 http://mail=2Eyahoo=2Ecom=20 -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web LIVE =96 Free email based on Microsoft=AE Exchange technology - http://link=2Email2web=2Ecom/LIVE From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 7 23:06:37 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DB56F3BEE2; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 23:06:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-priority:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; bh=dOsV4PGj7/yrHjTxGkkl76AO8P3rAMrtZGp09b+1Imk=; b=ZSH1V26iBZVYXe4Q3Yu45F/IxsiQSXdZIuwEejrutHavHQXTUiUr5OkhNZEdSWficDFYGImcdgMnxZvdH5RelQiWa4GzYKKUnECh+fgTZOqRdg49ggJNcmrFPoo44fnnZy1okT6E5dQtrJEKPv9YjcxRodvTE7ljT9tPqh9Nl4s= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-priority:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=MHcQyck/2qGlIc4s/A3FtoOhRHpiPFLhPIWUBBnbtfYilDkZbR0SllF94pFuSqnCEi/YbnNojIMhI76l9516etFCzzPekhvOhha/BWp83GuIXiWlcV8dtTaiKSpr+h+mH8zVX2eLelBKYBZ2NYOrzYedbu0nUbZL19GToNQ0QwA= In-Reply-To: <001001c8218e$304db210$0202a8c0@YOUR08D5303051> References: <005d01c820ef$2fe8d600$6401a8c0@dayglogreen> <4e16609f985e103a540f39ea7570948a@charter.net> <001001c8218e$304db210$0202a8c0@YOUR08D5303051> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <31A9EB35-FD84-47E7-8B5C-1AC6D158A065@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: LOOP CD review: Erdem Helvacioglu's Altered Realities Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2007 00:06:31 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76137 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2007 23:06:37 +0000 (UTC) On 7 nov 2007, at 23.33, Jeff Duke wrote: > I got it here for instant gratification! > http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_ss_dmusic/104-5797716-7464701? > url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=Erdem+Helvacio%3Flu > It's really great... > Jeff I too want that disc. Anyone know a web shop where one can use PayPal? Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 7 23:14:32 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B0DFC3BED9; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 23:14:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.8 (2007-02-13) on smtp.atwdsl.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.1 required=6.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.1.8 Message-ID: <47324AB6.4070004@unguitar.com> Date: Thu, 08 Nov 2007 00:31:02 +0100 From: Luca Formentini User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: New album out - warning: this is spam ! Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76138 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2007 23:14:32 +0000 (UTC) Hi dear(s), after a long, long time working on it, my new album is finally out on Extreme. Very happy to have had Steve Lawson, Markus Stockhausen, Steve Jansen, Deborah Walker and Frank Moreno together with me. Extreme hasn't the album on the website yet ( www.xtr.com) but I see there are some excerpts on some websites: http://www.amazon.com/Tacet-Luca-Formentini/dp/B000UIFKRA http://www.last.fm/music/Luca+Formentini http://artistdirect.com/nad/store/artist/album/0,,4391977,00.html The album is starting to get some reviews, you can find some of them here: http://www.unguitar.com/tacet_eng.htm Thanks for reading this spam ;-) my best, luca www.unguitar.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 7 23:28:21 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E3F093BEE0; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 23:28:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <0a5801c82195$e1deae10$52b4ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <380-220071137224345733@M2W032.mail2web.com> Subject: Re: Expression vs Vol pedal for midi control Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2007 16:28:18 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76139 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2007 23:28:21 +0000 (UTC) I am no expert, but Jeff Kaiser, who has done some research on this with max/msp, says that any volume pedal will work, because it is just inducing an amplitude change. Any devise that introduces an amplitude change can be used with max/msp. You have to add a cycle object in the pedal loop, which generates a sine wave...the pedal then decreases or increases the gain of that sine wave, because it is inserted in the loop of the sine wave. The output of that is then converted to gain values, like -9.0db to -.5db, and then I add a conversation object in max that converts the -9.0 to -.5db range to 0 to 127. I'm set, and I can do anything with that. I pull the EV-5 back, and the values in max go to 0. Push it all the way down it goes to 127. Then I map that 0-127 to any parameter in max. If I have a pitch shifter, and I want to go from -24 to +24 pitch, I simply tell max (with another small object) to convert that 0-127 range to -24 to +24. It's all just number manipulation and conversation once you get in max. It's cool, but I can do all this with no MIDI. I could even use an expression pedal to turn programs on and off...no MIDI. I can do it all with amplitude changes. Jeff Kaiser uses no MIDI. He uses EV-5s for expression changes, plugging them directly into his audio interface, and he uses footswitches to turn programs on and off, also plugged into the audio interface...all with amplitude changes. With the switch, you just tell max that if the amplitude is under a certain value, to turn it off, if it is over, turn it on. Simple. No MIDI. Cripes, I could plug my guitar into the FW400 and control parameters, turn things on and off, etc. I could program max to turn effects on and off, only when I play certain frequencies on the guitar. However, most of these devices (as you pointed out earlier) won't map the voltage on a linear scale. But if you find a volume pedal that can switch from linear to log, then it would work out of the box. I could still use a normal volume pedal for my system, connecting the output of the volume pedal to a FW400 input, and the FW400 output to the input of the volume pedal (no TSR required)....BUT I would have to add some extra code in my max patches to convert the log scale to linear...extra work, but doable. Kris Hi Kris, Can you please clarify for me... The EV-5 is generally considered to be an "expression pedal" and will work in an exp.pedal input on hardware processors, or exp.pedal input on a midi controller - correct? Pedals like the Ernie Ball have inputs/outputs and are considered "volume pedals". However, they will work as expression pedals when plugged into the exp.pedal input of a hardware processor or midi controller when used with a TRS-TSx2 Y cable. ie. they will send CC 0-127 and can be calibrated like an EV-5 - Correct? In any case, I don't understand how an EV-5 (not a volume pedal) can be used with the audio in/outs on a Fireface 400. -Qua Original Message: ----------------- From: Krispen Hartung khartung@cableone.net Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2007 13:23:09 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Expression Pedal - Alesis F2 Review Thanks for all the othe pedal options. I am using the EV-5s and I just ran into a problem. Since the EV-5s already have a cord attached to them with a stereo male end, I had to buy a few Hosa TSR adaptors. The problem is that the adaptor wires are barely long enough to reach from the input and ouput plugins of my Fireface 400 (yes, I am using them to control parameters in max, rather than MIDI, which requires splitting the expression pedal inputs and creating a loop between input/output of the audio interface. They do connect, but I'm worried about the tension. Hence, I am thinking of getting two other pedals that don't have the cables already on them, but just the jacks. Then I can just buy a TSR male to two mono quarter inch male patch cord and not need any TSR Y-cables. ...., -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web LIVE - Free email based on Microsoft® Exchange technology - http://link.mail2web.com/LIVE From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 7 23:33:04 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CD2963BEF4; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 23:33:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <00c701c82196$8f316850$6401a8c0@dayglogreen> From: "Rick Walker" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" References: <4731C553.801@tiscali.co.uk> Subject: Re: Norwich Festival of Live Looping Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2007 15:33:10 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76140 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2007 23:33:03 +0000 (UTC) Andy Butler wrote about bowing a piano: "a good trick ( when you get inside that piano) is to remove one of the hammers and bow it along the length of the string. Amazing whale sounds, esp with the sustain ped down." You are such an amazing musician, Andy. Of anyone on this list, you would, of course, have not only bowed a piano but thought about ways to improve the auditoriy experience. You are so impressive to me. I'm jealous as hell that I can't be performing or even in the audience at the 1st Norwich Live Looping Festival. What a great lineup. The incomparable Michael Peters from near Koln who we couldn't even get to play Y2K7.........and Darkroom with a drummer....................wooooohoooooo. Nice poster too. You have me feeling very nostalgic. Any chance of documenting this all auditorily or with video? yours, jealously, Rick From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 7 23:39:06 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 430A93BEF6; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 23:39:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <380-22007113723394375@M2W018.mail2web.com> X-Priority: 3 Reply-To: qua@oregon.com X-Originating-IP: 134.134.136.4 X-URL: http://mail2web.com/ From: "qua@oregon.com" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2007 18:39:04 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: Expression vs Vol pedal for midi control Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76141 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2007 23:39:06 +0000 (UTC) Wow! that's really cool! a little over my head , but I get the 'jist of i= t=2E FYI, The Ernie Ball Jr can switch swell rates=2E From their site:=20 "Behind the jack area under the footplate is a micro taper switch which provides the user two distinct volume swell rates"=2E =20 -Qua Original Message: ----------------- From: Krispen Hartung khartung@cableone=2Enet Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2007 16:28:18 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight=2Ecom Subject: Re: Expression vs Vol pedal for midi control I am no expert, but Jeff Kaiser, who has done some research on this with=20= max/msp, says that any volume pedal will work, because it is just inducing= =20 an amplitude change=2E =2E=2E=2E=2E=2E=2E=2Eif you find a volume pedal th= at can switch=20 from linear to log, then it would work out of the box=2E -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web LIVE =96 Free email based on Microsoft=AE Exchange technology - http://link=2Email2web=2Ecom/LIVE From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 7 23:52:42 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EEC213BEE7; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 23:52:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=lXJO4aosaIyyPq93RdrKnEEK2UUt8jeL62loBrL+ux5xm9M1Lu1zCJHhPVzuOauYze+sqmObuu4zPP72PN8S+8V2acw91a9Yp6u14zqz16nR05HEFJ+P0WggcHRSVfIKBhifbmpLsI0ApmPz9k3wNoWM6pvrNfIc4ST3Mh9oBBI=; X-YMail-OSG: xl.0vmwVM1lc4YJMzGhu55zA8fN1K5wAR0XIjYXHrLjzKJnNeKabBo5VAfZVhe42Vd3CcN7kNILoLk7CH0AgTrbY9IwKiXerjm_XTA8nJJ8Gs719G58- Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2007 15:52:39 -0800 (PST) From: bill bigrig Subject: Re: Expression Pedal - Alesis F2 Review To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <985215.35752.qm@web32701.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76142 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2007 23:52:41 +0000 (UTC) Howdy, On this volume pedal. Is it possible to mount a ganged pot in it? Is there enough room? A guy could do stereo volume, flick a switch, do foot crosspanning, etc. It sounds exciting. At $25 a pop, it sure beats the $60 or so Ernie Balls. A litle soldering and so many possibilities. rig --- Mech wrote: > At 4:35 PM +0000 11/7/07, andy butler wrote: > >I took a risk and ordered 4 of these for the new > Gordius Midi controller. > >Well, at only £25 I was expecting something that > would work well enough, > >and be suitably light in weight.(that's about $50). > > > >Can be used as expression pedal, or swell pedal > (vol controller). > > I've had one of these for around a year, but have > only used it as a volume controller. > > I pretty much agree with everything andy has > mentioned, and would add the following: > > Likes: > Passive electronics, no battery required > > Wider than your standard pedal. I've got > larger-than-usual feet (~size 13). You'd think > that it would be the length that would matter > more in manipulating the pedal, but the > additional width also helps give extra control if > you've got huge feet. > > Travel logarithm seems more in line with the > Yamaha FC-7/FC-9 (which I love) than the Roland > EV-5. I think it gives smoother, more > controllable swells, but that's entirely a > personal thing so YMMV. > > Jacks in the front. I like having the volume > pedal slightly offset from my other pedals (a few > inches closer to me) so that I don't bump the > other pedals while I'm rocking the volume. > Having the jacks in the front keeps things a > little tighter on my pedalboard. Again, YMMV. > > Dislikes: > Mono. If you've got a stereo source, forget it. > > >build is incredibly solid, metal chassis and pedal. > >Weighs a whole kilogram :-( > > You could kill somebody with one of these things > (erm, YMMV?). That means it's not going to move > around much onstage or go south due to structural > issues. Conversely, I don't envy your having to > carry around four of these things, andy. > > Thanks for the review!!! :) > > --m. > -- > _____ > "I want to keep you alive so there is always the > possibility of murder... later" > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 7 23:53:39 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 747453BEF4; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 23:53:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X_CMAE_Category: 0,0 Undefined,Undefined X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=cAwdPfQjAAAA:8 a=vggBfdFIAAAA:8 a=jLbM8sejAAAA:8 a=eHZkAhmBAAAA:8 a=TmKDE8lwAAAA:8 a=XjWPVkzSJ4h9LbO0_OEA:9 a=7nNGtql2Z7sQGUik85gA:7 a=ZZtO8--_JuveksTZCbXWWC0kTd8A:4 a=zJXoIcIzwKsA:10 a=br5QjLurtgQA:10 a=eZLSmJVMEtUA:10 X-CM-Score: 0 X-Scanned-by: Cloudmark Authority Engine Authentication-Results: smtp08.embarq.synacor.com smtp.mail=echohead@embarqmail.com; spf=neutral Authentication-Results: smtp08.embarq.synacor.com smtp.user=echohead@embarqmail.com; auth=pass (LOGIN) Received-SPF: neutral (smtp08.embarq.synacor.com: 71.48.241.17 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of embarqmail.com) Message-ID: <001201c82199$685cbc40$0202a8c0@YOUR08D5303051> From: "Jeff Duke" To: References: <47324AB6.4070004@unguitar.com> Subject: Re: New album out - warning: this is spam ! Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2007 18:53:21 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76143 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2007 23:53:39 +0000 (UTC) Really wonderful, I'm up to Misha now, what were you using on this track? btw It was 7.99 at Amazon in 256kbs mp3s. peace out, Jeff ----- Original Message ----- From: "Luca Formentini" To: Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2007 6:31 PM Subject: New album out - warning: this is spam ! > Hi dear(s), > after a long, long time working on it, my new album is finally out on > Extreme. > Very happy to have had Steve Lawson, Markus Stockhausen, Steve Jansen, > Deborah Walker and Frank Moreno together with me. > > Extreme hasn't the album on the website yet ( www.xtr.com) but I see there > are some excerpts on some websites: > http://www.amazon.com/Tacet-Luca-Formentini/dp/B000UIFKRA > http://www.last.fm/music/Luca+Formentini > http://artistdirect.com/nad/store/artist/album/0,,4391977,00.html > > The album is starting to get some reviews, you can find some of them here: > http://www.unguitar.com/tacet_eng.htm > > Thanks for reading this spam ;-) > > my best, > luca > www.unguitar.com > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: > 269.15.23/1114 - Release Date: 11/6/2007 8:05 PM > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 7 23:53:57 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2BA003BF06; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 23:53:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 3604 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Wed, 07 Nov 2007 23:53:56 UTC Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2007 17:53:49 -0500 From: Scott Duncan Subject: Re: new loop In-reply-to: <733488.2102.qm@web38604.mail.mud.yahoo.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <29089BBA-3A28-48FE-89F1-713D38354117@webworkz.com> MIME-version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1--727018912 References: <733488.2102.qm@web38604.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76144 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2007 23:53:57 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-1--727018912 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Simply Beautiful, Luis, Congratulations on another fine expression.......vivid swirling, like the flames you related it to... Scott Duncan On Nov 7, 2007, at 5:38 PM, L.A. Angulo wrote: > A little new loop idea,inspired by the california > wilfires,is called "burning peninsula" > > http://www.luis-angulo.com/looplab.htm > thanx for listening! > Cheers > Luis > > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom --Apple-Mail-1--727018912 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII Simply Beautiful, Luis, Congratulations on = another fine expression.......vivid swirling, like the flames you = related it to...

        Scott = Duncan

        On Nov 7, 2007, at 5:38 PM, L.A. Angulo = wrote:

        A little new loop idea,inspired = by the california
        wilfires,is called "burning = peninsula"

        thanx for listening!
        Cheers


        right to me. In > it's favor, the M-audio pedal never seems to need > calibration and > always sends the correct range of values. > > > > > -- > Art Simon > simart@null.net > http://art.simon.tripod.com > http://www.myspace.com/artsimon > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 7 23:59:50 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 074553BED6; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 23:59:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=ybdsHJwCOEtXk79kxQxxe3Zk8/Z6E02Tu7Be8hBjpUue500M+GiIQYw5VkXcp8HsWAvKmEtdlK2DRWTbyIZO3Y0KHfRgXbPJPl61ykQ2yVICaWbw9D2TE3NfJ/nGN9VlWOWz8JLMlGRTP0yJfyhcusG176PtRXrW2l6iEqxJE8c=; X-YMail-OSG: ggAnYwsVM1kkTzsWu1BdrTZRZfRcDxTotZhSOlillABLeVDptL6O8NW.4JILq0jx7MQE2wbIhdbcjhZqEMoM.W0KzeqUmtorjC26KCkWndyqsQ8BkrU- Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2007 15:59:48 -0800 (PST) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: RE: new loop To: qua@oregon.com, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <380-220071137225318174@M2W020.mail2web.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <665630.57349.qm@web38601.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: <-s-l1B.A.hKF.1FlMHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76146 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2007 23:59:50 +0000 (UTC) Hey Qua thanx for listening! After i recorded that conga loop and synced it to the EDPs inserted guitar mangled sinister loop i mailed it to Rick since we always talked about collaborating,so he went ahead and suprised me with those little wicked scratch bouncing rubber band efx.and then i responded back with those backward flute sounds and 6/8 north african type pounding drum loop which i programmed with my boss dr-660.is funny,i think we were totalyy thinking of different ideas or images of the tune which is also a great thing...we were supposed to keep going and shortly after i formated my Pc and thought id lost it.This has been about 3 years ago! It wasn´t until recently that id found it on a minidisc which i was going to sell.Funny enough Rick didn´t even remeber it and id also forgoten it as well! back up your ideas,this is why i am also puting them up on a server i am terrible with backups! Luis --- "qua@oregon.com" wrote: > Hi Luis > Very nice! btw, what can you tell us about the > "Rick Walker special > effects" on Voodoo Dancer? > -Qua > > Original Message: > ----------------- > From: L.A. Angulo labaloops@yahoo.com > Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2007 14:38:37 -0800 (PST) > To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: new loop > > > A little new loop idea,inspired by the california > wilfires,is called "burning peninsula" > > http://www.luis-angulo.com/looplab.htm > thanx for listening! > Cheers > Luis > > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > mail2web LIVE – Free email based on Microsoft® > Exchange technology - > http://link.mail2web.com/LIVE > > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 8 00:00:33 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AE81D3BEE2; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 00:00:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=cs6Yd7LcwE1t/xkWGC8swOXA0PfYahL5p+om6sRibQD/l+BlAd+gU5y0MtlROqTsl0V4JO9hQ3l1Fw7m4MPbZIBcL+XrRekNzWDr+xp9vdFe/qiGQS79DQHTFGjvMneOUZSBzIqA9TzrZaaJpzXqPqiSXEq/o1JMuN7zJw8UHJw=; X-YMail-OSG: JLikhTIVM1kTFdCBMvjZLVXig1Tb3YhAXFkNZ1_HwCGXl.a9r7wJRVUDxb8mLEDwOU6m5Rl_4VZedOfEm_hZ44f1rv2WaZ2OxBC_Dv.g2fu4hXhlzmA- Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2007 16:00:30 -0800 (PST) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: Re: new loop To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <29089BBA-3A28-48FE-89F1-713D38354117@webworkz.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <807957.7076.qm@web38610.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76147 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2007 00:00:33 +0000 (UTC) Thank you kindly Scott! cheers Luis --- Scott Duncan wrote: > Simply Beautiful, Luis, Congratulations on another > fine > expression.......vivid swirling, like the flames you > related it to... > Scott Duncan > > > On Nov 7, 2007, at 5:38 PM, L.A. Angulo wrote: > > > A little new loop idea,inspired by the california > > wilfires,is called "burning peninsula" > > > > http://www.luis-angulo.com/looplab.htm > > thanx for listening! > > Cheers > > Luis > > > > > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 8 00:08:05 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E34BC3BEE2; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 00:08:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=AXq9ioXjQG7GNDu1r6ouoZLhkYKi2sLCvUFWobknddVbMuuC2w4waOvd7exfUvE1DWpwZOMy28SUtja5CNlkbWo8djBQlRcgXK4UMVYVJ89EXfZ1cJypucF9jv5wzGAqae9mv2+gMf53UdICabMzkFhLKtC4Y24CnA1FIcEexCE=; X-YMail-OSG: 4dx_gsMVM1lQScOiOEydKb2DXuzzb8WVS47VJe7F.0c8q4ak0TLZdC9RaGFLaCPQOUz0uTeE0MqbaCVTw9nBJkMwbPPrfKYgJX_A93Y8CXGXCmoq3fKZ73FwouBZdiYoCNDCvA-- Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2007 16:08:03 -0800 (PST) From: bill bigrig Subject: Re: Norwich Festival of Live Looping To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <4731C553.801@tiscali.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <607367.81195.qm@web32710.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76148 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2007 00:08:05 +0000 (UTC) Howdy, No, but I used to pluck the strings a lot. an e-bow relies a LOT on the electromagnetic field generated in the pickup. Piano's don't have pickups(normally)especially magnetic. But you can bet your bottom dollar as soon as I fire this message, I'm going to get out my e-bow and try. Rig --- andy butler wrote: > Stephen Goodman wrote: > > Has anyone here E-BOWED a piano? I've got a > really old upright here, > > > I'm shocked that I hadn't made this connection > before though. Metal > > wires, e-bow. Sigh, must be stress. > > > > Anyone done it? > > > > I've seen percussionist Gino Robair do it. > Wasn't actually all that impressive placed against > some of the other wonderful sounds he made. > > a good trick ( when you get inside that piano) is to > remove > one of the hammers and bow it along the length of > the string. > Amazing whale sounds, esp with the sustain ped down. > > andy butler > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 8 00:33:13 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A7A083BEE2; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 00:33:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2007 18:32:55 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Mech Subject: Re: Wireless foot controllers for laptops Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76149 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2007 00:33:13 +0000 (UTC) At 10:26 AM -0800 11/7/07, Travis Hartnett wrote: >Anyone have any experience with this?: > >http://www.x-tempozone.com/?gclid=CID6lvaty48CFQh6gwodFnYf8w Velly intellensting... But then, unfortunately, you look through the specs and there's this: Wireless Communication: 2.4 GHz wireless USB So, this means that now my neighbor's daughter can get on their 2.4GHz wireless telephone and knock out my DAW for hours, much the same way she already does with our Airport connection?!? Yeah, that's just what I wanna have happen onstage. Eek! --m. -- _____ "the wind in my heart; the dust in my head...." From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 8 00:40:17 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C25063BED9; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 00:40:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "dave eichenberger" To: References: <252657.75811.qm@web34302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <145737.50659.qm@web34513.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <145737.50659.qm@web34513.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: RE: DL4 Expression Pedals (was: Alesis F2 Review) Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2007 19:40:10 -0500 Message-ID: <03bc01c8219f$ec878440$c5968cc0$@com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: AcghiR9VKrie6ScvT16MnOsDBE6AggAFps4w Content-Language: en-us X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX19GewCX4FUw9tHk6bdQkFXoQoHRKVgTnJyxLll v45Og3ttDBlj8GTuIT1xZks/Trqf+lOt60PAbKdvsXNwwK+zJw 0ZSbGC7YFfhcngvCNe5ctnolJHRA6/bXU6i+eKe4+k= Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76150 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2007 00:40:17 +0000 (UTC) I use it with an Ernie Ball Vol Pedal Jr, 25k variety, with a mono cable plugged into the pedal's out, into the exp jack on the DL4, and it works great. dave eichenberger: www.daveeichenberger.com ------------------------------------- I'm currently using the M audio and have found it to be decent.... but I can still faintly hear the loop when I'm trying to mute using the pedal. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 8 00:51:58 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C335B3BED9; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 00:51:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <0ac501c821a1$903f06c0$52b4ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <380-22007113723394375@M2W018.mail2web.com> Subject: Re: Expression vs Vol pedal for midi control Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2007 17:51:55 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76151 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2007 00:51:58 +0000 (UTC) Think of the EV-5 in this case as sort of a valve for the gain of a sine wave (tone) that is being generating by max. Max sends the sine wave tone out to the FW400, which goes to the pedal, out of the pedal and back into the FW400, into max, and then max measures how much the pedal is decreasing or increasing the gain when I press it. The range of that measurement (in db) is convertd into numbers, 0-127, which I can convert into any parameter range. Ta da! Once you get to the world of numbers in max, the rest is just manipulation. Kris ----- Original Message ----- Wow! that's really cool! a little over my head , but I get the 'jist of it. FYI, The Ernie Ball Jr can switch swell rates. From their site: "Behind the jack area under the footplate is a micro taper switch which provides the user two distinct volume swell rates". -Qua I am no expert, but Jeff Kaiser, who has done some research on this with max/msp, says that any volume pedal will work, because it is just inducing an amplitude change. .......if you find a volume pedal that can switch from linear to log, then it would work out of the box. -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web LIVE - Free email based on Microsoft® Exchange technology - http://link.mail2web.com/LIVE From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 8 01:14:03 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 091353BED6; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 01:14:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=B8xakPzFKTrzwD+I1ON3MXi11hOc6RCFA5f+vUYiRXwchIg3OMAUo6qSCyvKEyDTu3oC8sR+QaSpjpFVcKno+l2WUe4XiSoY+UijbNNkaSKrwSmG5ZCZee4FehpAUxZpqse4TD/zY9eqAoSt/NrIF8LB4OII9cvKs016mbmZR6s=; X-YMail-OSG: v7o5w4EVM1m410nrdiXyXvCNj2qwuTE3ebbyDOTSrSIbDxtfv3n1Ffki8iHG0X._GA-- Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2007 17:14:00 -0800 (PST) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: timefactor reviews To: Loopers Delight MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <389819.86352.qm@web38601.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76152 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2007 01:14:03 +0000 (UTC) http://reviews.harmony-central.com/reviews/Effects/product/Eventide/timefactor/10/1 cheers Luis www.myspace.com/luisangulocom __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 8 02:53:23 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D4F0F3BEDD; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 02:53:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 450 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Thu, 08 Nov 2007 02:53:23 UTC X_CMAE_Category: 0,0 Undefined,Undefined X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=pAjkrSRoAAAA:8 a=WMoPBg9omiqdZuwnc-8A:9 a=NSSAtDEpsTiH_LT0okNqpMlrACYA:4 a=gi0PWCVxevcA:10 X-CM-Score: 0 X-Scanned-by: Cloudmark Authority Engine Authentication-Results: smtp08.embarq.synacor.com smtp.mail=ejyuhas@embarqmail.com; spf=neutral Authentication-Results: smtp08.embarq.synacor.com smtp.user=ejyuhas@embarqmail.com; auth=pass (LOGIN) Received-SPF: neutral (smtp08.embarq.synacor.com: 65.41.92.71 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of embarqmail.com) From: "ejyuhas" Message-ID: <51.D5.07062.06872374@smtp08.embarq.synacor.com> To: Subject: RE: LOOP CD review: Erdem Helvacioglu's Altered Realities Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2007 21:49:04 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 In-Reply-To: <380-220071137172233620@M2W008.mail2web.com> thread-index: AcghriXtUC5k+Wo7Rx6wQzmTqagQiQAA1O3w Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76153 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2007 02:53:23 +0000 (UTC) I just purchased it from http://newalbion.com/ after listening to the soundclips. Beautiful work! Here's a brief writeup about him: http://newalbion.com/artists/helvacioglue/ and there is a link to his direct webpage from there... Ed in NJ PS After seeing all the positive commentary and hearing the MP3s, I'm sorry I didn't make it to Y2K7...perhaps next year? Damn! :) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 8 03:22:45 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 859D23BEE2; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 03:22:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X_CMAE_Category: 0,0 Undefined,Undefined X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=kVobe2OVAAAA:8 a=RuyKgJuBAAAA:8 a=CjxXgO3LAAAA:8 a=xL_0N1bL9z9eQE0WZFQA:9 a=mIIENurWu-65aJ9ed8cA:7 a=lf2xHZF7t3vkgAuCMR3f2ipfbgkA:4 a=hM5H0qCC1cEA:10 a=6y61hU8uYSEA:10 a=rC2wZJ5BpNYA:10 a=Ncu_zZ4-obUA:10 a=iA6jqQkP7qMA:10 X-CM-Score: 0 X-Scanned-by: Cloudmark Authority Engine Authentication-Results: smtp09.embarq.synacor.com smtp.mail=ejyuhas@embarqmail.com; spf=neutral Authentication-Results: smtp09.embarq.synacor.com smtp.user=ejyuhas@embarqmail.com; auth=pass (LOGIN) Received-SPF: neutral (smtp09.embarq.synacor.com: 65.41.92.205 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of embarqmail.com) From: "ejyuhas" Message-ID: To: "'L.A. Angulo'" , "'Loopers Delight'" Subject: RE: new loop Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2007 22:25:56 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 In-Reply-To: <733488.2102.qm@web38604.mail.mud.yahoo.com> thread-index: AcghrihD13W2Ro8ISTa8MXBaMMx4RQACMvUQ Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76154 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2007 03:22:45 +0000 (UTC) Nice work! -----Original Message----- From: L.A. Angulo [mailto:labaloops@yahoo.com] Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2007 5:39 PM To: Loopers Delight Subject: new loop A little new loop idea,inspired by the california wilfires,is called "burning peninsula" http://www.luis-angulo.com/looplab.htm thanx for listening! Cheers Luis www.myspace.com/luisangulocom __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! 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        From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 8 05:09:45 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 117523BEE6; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 05:09:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Qua Veda" To: References: <985215.35752.qm@web32701.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <985215.35752.qm@web32701.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: RE: Expression Pedal - Alesis F2 Review Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2007 21:10:02 -0800 Message-ID: <000001c821c5$9ec5b490$dc511db0$@com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: AcghmVA9CJsgJygnT2WOYO2VNLIU8wALBlYg Content-Language: en-us X-RBL-Warning: REVDNS: This E-mail was sent from a MUA/MTA 206.212.233.27 with no reverse DNS entry. X-Declude-Sender: qua@oregon.com [206.212.233.27] X-Declude-Spoolname: D9a1d02a40000d8e6.smd X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude JunkMail (www.declude.com) for spam. Resent-Message-ID: <-5fUpD.A.O4E.YopMHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76155 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2007 05:09:44 +0000 (UTC) Awhile back I was interested in the Ernie Ball stereo pedal. I talked to = a technician at Ernie Ball who said that he would modify the switch so = that one way it was a panner, and the other way it was stereo volume. You = might call them and see if they would do it. -Qua -----Original Message----- From: bill bigrig [mailto:billbigrig@yahoo.com]=20 Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2007 3:53 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Expression Pedal - Alesis F2 Review Howdy, On this volume pedal. Is it possible to mount a ganged pot in it? Is there enough room? A guy could do stereo volume, flick a switch, do foot crosspanning, etc. It sounds exciting. At $25 a pop, it sure beats the $60 or so Ernie Balls. A litle soldering and so many possibilities. rig --- Mech wrote: > At 4:35 PM +0000 11/7/07, andy butler wrote: > >I took a risk and ordered 4 of these for the new > Gordius Midi controller. > >Well, at only =A325 I was expecting something that > would work well enough, > >and be suitably light in weight.(that's about $50). > > > >Can be used as expression pedal, or swell pedal > (vol controller). >=20 > I've had one of these for around a year, but have=20 > only used it as a volume controller. >=20 > I pretty much agree with everything andy has=20 > mentioned, and would add the following: >=20 > Likes: > Passive electronics, no battery required >=20 > Wider than your standard pedal. I've got=20 > larger-than-usual feet (~size 13). You'd think=20 > that it would be the length that would matter=20 > more in manipulating the pedal, but the=20 > additional width also helps give extra control if=20 > you've got huge feet. >=20 > Travel logarithm seems more in line with the=20 > Yamaha FC-7/FC-9 (which I love) than the Roland=20 > EV-5. I think it gives smoother, more=20 > controllable swells, but that's entirely a=20 > personal thing so YMMV. >=20 > Jacks in the front. I like having the volume=20 > pedal slightly offset from my other pedals (a few=20 > inches closer to me) so that I don't bump the=20 > other pedals while I'm rocking the volume.=20 > Having the jacks in the front keeps things a=20 > little tighter on my pedalboard. Again, YMMV. >=20 > Dislikes: > Mono. If you've got a stereo source, forget it. >=20 > >build is incredibly solid, metal chassis and pedal. > >Weighs a whole kilogram :-( >=20 > You could kill somebody with one of these things=20 > (erm, YMMV?). That means it's not going to move=20 > around much onstage or go south due to structural=20 > issues. Conversely, I don't envy your having to=20 > carry around four of these things, andy. >=20 > Thanks for the review!!! :) >=20 > --m. > -- > _____ > "I want to keep you alive so there is always the=20 > possibility of murder... later" >=20 >=20 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around=20 http://mail.yahoo.com=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 8 07:19:22 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 49B4A3BEB8; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 07:19:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Michael Peters" To: "Loopers Delight" References: <733488.2102.qm@web38604.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: RE: new loop Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2007 08:19:16 +0100 Message-ID: <002301c821d7$ac35ee80$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <733488.2102.qm@web38604.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Thread-Index: Acgh1dB/NzM6J00FRs+5dBxJvgGQDQAAcoOQ X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76156 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2007 07:19:22 +0000 (UTC) > A little new loop idea,inspired by the california > wilfires,is called "burning peninsula" wonderful Luis ... I love your music Michael www.michaelpeters.de From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 8 07:23:36 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A0E333BECF; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 07:23:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Michael Peters" To: "Loopers Delight" References: <47324AB6.4070004@unguitar.com> Subject: RE: New album out - warning, this is spam ! Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2007 08:23:33 +0100 Message-ID: <002401c821d8$457ad6f0$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <47324AB6.4070004@unguitar.com> Thread-Index: Acgh1dDvb52060jUSLSptj2SukYiRAAAjWjg X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76157 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2007 07:23:36 +0000 (UTC) wow, what a cool label and what a stellar crew ... the preview snippets at Amazon sound very promising ... congratulations!! Michael www.michaelpeters.de > -----Original Message----- > From: Luca Formentini [mailto:luca@unguitar.com] > Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2007 12:31 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: New album out - warning: this is spam ! > > Hi dear(s), > after a long, long time working on it, my new album is finally out on > Extreme. > Very happy to have had Steve Lawson, Markus Stockhausen, > Steve Jansen, > Deborah Walker and Frank Moreno together with me. > > Extreme hasn't the album on the website yet ( www.xtr.com) but I see > there are some excerpts on some websites: > http://www.amazon.com/Tacet-Luca-Formentini/dp/B000UIFKRA > http://www.last.fm/music/Luca+Formentini > http://artistdirect.com/nad/store/artist/album/0,,4391977,00.html > > The album is starting to get some reviews, you can find some > of them here: > http://www.unguitar.com/tacet_eng.htm > > Thanks for reading this spam ;-) > > my best, > luca > www.unguitar.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 8 07:45:28 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7A3D33BED2; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 07:45:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=rT3T2mez00O59acVgHrR4QeQ/8IaKPaEIvDhQOi/Jqkj1dXeIPjcPeShp3rybBDetuCa55CBXRBb9h+Xy+gfu0ivxk7RFKZATVUT7k0B4Wa+OMPusYZnC/JeqPnrW5FiWVDO7iNndqxfCTH4+Vvfe/veIGmizvjgcE/QDlbt8+4=; X-YMail-OSG: csXtvw4VM1nAFzaEA3csm86TitRZiPHn3L9AuwBrAmYnB1N6XuAIKkocQOJZj7Ry.sQKrngIi470PDYEAOEE_Ob2mWtAAJCzP6iW1.zWCnFnnaJlZLQ- Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2007 23:45:25 -0800 (PST) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: RE: New album out - warning, this is spam ! To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <002401c821d8$457ad6f0$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <412335.46821.qm@web38613.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76158 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2007 07:45:28 +0000 (UTC) sounds beautiful Luca too bad the clips are too short! cheers Luis --- Michael Peters wrote: > wow, what a cool label and what a stellar crew ... > the preview snippets at > Amazon sound very promising ... congratulations!! > > Michael www.michaelpeters.de > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Luca Formentini [mailto:luca@unguitar.com] > > Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2007 12:31 AM > > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > Subject: New album out - warning: this is spam ! > > > > Hi dear(s), > > after a long, long time working on it, my new > album is finally out on > > Extreme. > > Very happy to have had Steve Lawson, Markus > Stockhausen, > > Steve Jansen, > > Deborah Walker and Frank Moreno together with me. > > > > Extreme hasn't the album on the website yet ( > www.xtr.com) but I see > > there are some excerpts on some websites: > > > http://www.amazon.com/Tacet-Luca-Formentini/dp/B000UIFKRA > > http://www.last.fm/music/Luca+Formentini > > > http://artistdirect.com/nad/store/artist/album/0,,4391977,00.html > > > > The album is starting to get some reviews, you can > find some > > of them here: > > http://www.unguitar.com/tacet_eng.htm > > > > Thanks for reading this spam ;-) > > > > my best, > > luca > > www.unguitar.com > > > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 8 07:51:30 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B56D93BEC7; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 07:51:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=4/8KyRZ6X1UPu2ZbmTbIcBgwP941TSa7f0bQWppFATtq8ZFc4J6lPm5QExr7hics7LNIZ9qrHC/nRl09W1izxeP4gtRZKfam41qbRo+evV13VsziGcncIKbSHHbVR24CiiiwwSWyrxQPp0qMS1tXexQV90EORFnQ0c0asaCgwZo=; X-YMail-OSG: KrAYazIVM1m8UvwULSnbAakyhFEOTjcWhLNutqW6PaXIOpllBHLemrMr6npBfDJWnkc0REWczVX7z2wCdnE92gqVoRE1o2ls385bQdYNf0t_PN8AQrk- Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2007 23:51:29 -0800 (PST) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: RE: new loop To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <002301c821d7$ac35ee80$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <193667.97896.qm@web38604.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76159 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2007 07:51:30 +0000 (UTC) Michael Vielen Dank! Grüsse Luis --- Michael Peters wrote: > > A little new loop idea,inspired by the california > > wilfires,is called "burning peninsula" > > wonderful Luis ... I love your music > > Michael www.michaelpeters.de > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 8 08:07:24 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2D9B23BEC7; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 08:07:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; bh=L+tJiNogpe3KRBrnMNtx8UoiHARnTxENL0T4B6/cqB0=; b=kjVyApiurD7VkWL8leKHNBrUcHOjxE6lV8lZVoflxrwg3N1ulMUzaffOLrZYIMUatH9QouNBTGAOSsxU0368TFErxHUJiz7HXax4LwtgT2+6zyLwnj7qtl4BhoQukVCvPi5TszEcLQPSFlk6IMJekCcTFayrJ/PUZ1EwKrxDZx0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=EI2CL7EFm0uVmbeOUb0nk1FQNelpTLFGvJ/TYm6JxtxAkvX+oykgVATvHk481VfrYerHVPYEKzS5MrMudkR4Gyv4cPeRXbzzpGTkot/xdX6euBrOaZpLwJ2UAaKjWMUwe4gdPmss3Ag/H9FoFQ18oh8RdT+WWDYf56VTp/6XY7M= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <412335.46821.qm@web38613.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <412335.46821.qm@web38613.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <7D51E5D3-2024-421C-90CE-7D5A6783C947@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: New album out - warning, this is spam ! Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2007 09:07:18 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76160 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2007 08:07:24 +0000 (UTC) On 8 nov 2007, at 08.45, L.A. Angulo wrote: > -----Original Message----- > From: Luca Formentini [mailto:luca@unguitar.com] > Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2007 12:31 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: New album out - warning: this is spam ! > > there are some excerpts on some websites: http://www.amazon.com/Tacet-Luca-Formentini/dp/B000UIFKRA > http://www.last.fm/music/Luca+Formentini http://artistdirect.com/nad/store/artist/album/0,,4391977,00.html Luca, I listened to the sound clips at Amazon and this your new music sound really appealing to me. Is there a web store where one can buy the files with PayPal? Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 8 08:21:09 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8E81E3BED3; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 08:21:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 623425173-mk-filter-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com-B2C-$THROTTLED-DYNAMIC-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 79.74.172.29 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Aq4HAAdVMkdPSqwd/2dsb2JhbACCKqIS Message-ID: <4732C72E.4040806@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Thu, 08 Nov 2007 08:22:06 +0000 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Expression Pedal - Ernies Stereo one isn't References: <380-220071137202931694@M2W008.mail2web.com> <0a0a01c82182$ba165530$52b4ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <47322F0E.1060702@tiscali.co.uk> <0a2401c8218d$a3471870$52b4ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> In-Reply-To: <0a2401c8218d$a3471870$52b4ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76161 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2007 08:21:09 +0000 (UTC) that helps, (if it's accurate). Some gear uses TRS for patching stereo signals with just one cable. Conclusion= not an expression ped andy Krispen Hartung wrote: > > ----- Original Message ----- >> Unlikely this works as expression ped. >> It'll have log pots, which will mess up the range. >> >> Wonder why it's TSR >> >> andy butler > > Here is why....doesn't help us, though. > > "This Ernie Ball 6165 stereo volume/pan pedal is designed for easy > flexibility and great sound. Its 2 input and 2 output jacks accommodate > stereo TRS cables or mono TS cables and let you quickly select between > volume control or pan control." > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 8 08:28:41 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BF0663BEE6; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 08:28:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 623427205-mk-filter-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com-B2C-$THROTTLED-DYNAMIC-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 79.74.172.29 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Aq4HAF5XMkdPSqwd/2dsb2JhbACCKo4ik2E Message-ID: <4732C8F5.6030503@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Thu, 08 Nov 2007 08:29:41 +0000 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Expression vs Vol pedal for midi control References: <380-220071137224345733@M2W032.mail2web.com> <0a5801c82195$e1deae10$52b4ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> In-Reply-To: <0a5801c82195$e1deae10$52b4ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <_hnhEB.A.Dm.5isMHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76162 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2007 08:28:41 +0000 (UTC) That's misleading. Sure, in Max you can compensate for a mis-matched pedal. (with some loss of definition) ...but a midi-controller, of FX unit needs a pedal with the correct spec. andy Krispen Hartung wrote: > > I am no expert, but Jeff Kaiser, who has done some research on this with > max/msp, says that any volume pedal will work, because it is just > inducing an amplitude change. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 8 09:18:24 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0BCAC3BEDF; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 09:18:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4732D448.1050108@post.cybercity.dk> Date: Thu, 08 Nov 2007 10:18:00 +0100 From: van Sinn Reply-To: vansinn@post.cybercity.dk Organization: van Sinn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Wireless foot controllers for laptops References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <2vhIoD.A.HSD.fRtMHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76163 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2007 09:18:23 +0000 (UTC) Mech wrote: > At 10:26 AM -0800 11/7/07, Travis Hartnett wrote: > >> Anyone have any experience with this?: >> >> http://www.x-tempozone.com/?gclid=CID6lvaty48CFQh6gwodFnYf8w > > > Velly intellensting... But then, unfortunately, you look through the > specs and there's this: > > Wireless Communication: 2.4 GHz wireless USB > > So, this means that now my neighbor's daughter can get on their 2.4GHz > wireless telephone and knock out my DAW for hours, much the same way she > already does with our Airport connection?!? Yeah, that's just what I > wanna have happen onstage. > > Eek! Yeah, what about a looping concert with lotsa wireless gear, and someone shows up equipped with some portable man-in-the-middle attack gear.. "Now, let's _really_ make those guys go loop-loop :-D " I'm into IT (systems/network); think I got much wireless at home? Naa, of cause I'm just being neurotic now ;) silly me.. Sometimes I'm thinking a wireless MIDI floorboard might be nice; isn't seen much around AFAIK, though, guess there's a reason to it. -- rgds, van Sinn From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 8 11:28:17 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C94433BEE1; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 11:28:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Thu, 08 Nov 2007 06:28:11 -0500 From: Bill Fox Subject: Listen to Afterglow, Galactic Travels, and The AM/FM Show To: undisclosed-recipients: ; Message-id: <4732F2CB.3040406@soundscapes.us> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.12 (Windows/20070509) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76164 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2007 11:28:17 +0000 (UTC) AFTERGLOW ON WMUH: http://soundscapes.us/afterglow ======================================================================= Afterglow airs from 8:00 am to 9:30 am every Thursday morning. Tune in for a delightful mix of eclectic musical genres including a healthy dose of Progressive Rock. Tune in at 91.7 FM or on the internet at: http://muhlenberg.edu/wmuh I will be playing music by Radio Massacre International who are coming over from the UK to play at The Gatherings concert series. GALACTIC TRAVELS ON WDIY: http://galactictravels.info ======================================================================= Tonight at 11 pm on Galactic Travels, I'll continue the month-long Special focus on Paul Ellis from Washington state. The Featured CD at Midnight will be "Into the Liquid Unknown" on Binary Records. For details, see the Special Focus page at: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2007/focus.html#nov I will be playing music by Radio Massacre International who are coming over from the UK to play at The Gatherings concert series. Galactic Travels is an electronic, ambient, and space music show that airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg, 93.7 FM in Fogelsville and Trexlertown, on the internet, and in High Definition Radio at 88.1 FM. THE AM/FM SHOW ON WMUH: http://soundscapes.us/amfm ======================================================================= My next stint on the AM/FM Show will be Saturday, November 10 at 6:00 am. I will continue the special on E-dition Electronic Music Magazine's sampler CDs. I will continue with the last issue so this special is drawing to a close soon. What's next? ;-) Tune in to WMUH Allentown at 91.7 FM, broadcasting from the campus of Muhlenberg College. I alternate hosting the show with Bruce. When I am at the helm, the show features electronic, ambient, and spacemusic at the beginning, an eclectic mix of genres in the middle, and winds up with Progressive Rock. WMUH's web site is http://muhlenberg.edu/wmuh I will be playing music by Radio Massacre International who are coming over from the UK to play at The Gatherings concert series. ====================================================================== All times are EDT / GMT-5. Listen on-line to WDIY at http://wdiy.org and click LISTEN or go directly to: http://rm1.refugemedia.com/ramgen/encoder/wdiy.rm Listen on-line to WMUH at http://www.muhlenberg.edu/wmuh and click the REAL AUDIO link or go directly to: rtsp://helix.muhlenberg.edu:554/broadcast/live.rm From marriottbrown@peoplepc.com Thu Nov 8 11:48:02 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 1258 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Thu, 08 Nov 2007 11:48:02 UTC Received: from smtpauth15.mail.atl.earthlink.net (smtpauth15.mail.atl.earthlink.net [209.86.89.75]) by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D78DC3BECF; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 11:48:02 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [209.86.224.26] (helo=mswamui-bichon.atl.sa.earthlink.net) by smtpauth15.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1Iq5Ww-0002rT-Lj; Thu, 08 Nov 2007 06:26:38 -0500 Received: from 82.128.32.193 by webmail.peoplepc.com with HTTP; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 06:26:38 -0500 Message-ID: <27060994.1194521198464.JavaMail.root@mswamui-bichon.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2007 06:26:38 -0500 (EST) From: MARRIOTT BROWN Reply-To: MARRIOTT BROWN Subject: SGT MARRIOTT BROWN (CAPE OF GOOD WILL!!!). 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SGT MARRIOTT BROWN (CAPE OF GOOD WILL!!!). ________________________________________ PeoplePC Online A better way to Internet http://www.peoplepc.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 8 12:17:19 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 372743BED9; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 12:17:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "nick@12testing.net" To: Loopers Delight , "L.A. Angulo" Date: Thu, 08 Nov 2007 12:16:55 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: new loop Reply-To: nick@12testing.net Message-ID: <4732FE37.5144.DE33F8@nick.12testing.net> Priority: normal In-reply-to: <733488.2102.qm@web38604.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <733488.2102.qm@web38604.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.41) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body Resent-Message-ID: <9Br1DC.A.EtE.O5vMHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76165 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2007 12:17:19 +0000 (UTC) On 7 Nov 2007 at 14:38, L.A. Angulo wrote: > A little new loop idea,inspired by the california > wilfires,is called "burning peninsula" Simply beautiful. Spacious and yet intimate. Like Lanois at his best... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 8 12:18:14 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 11BA33BEF4; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 12:18:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: eterogeneo Reply-To: eterogeneo To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: New album out - warning: this is spam ! Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2007 13:16:52 +0200 Message-ID: X-Mailer: EPOC e-mail Versione 2.10 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76166 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2007 12:18:14 +0000 (UTC) Luca, it sounds good. Great playing with Stockhausen and Steve Jansen (one of my favourite keyboardist, from Japan !). I'll buy a copy. Good luck for your new cd. fabio www.eterogeneo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 8 12:39:27 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1B4393BED9; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 12:39:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=/Ne75mHCi/0HPUyQPFRCTw8Q5k1WLWVdK+9BmgU+UmY=; b=TefIG65fQTx7mP6lMzg1j+rhD/9Js4rBQjolB7oz0xMnXMwY0Rns6HoZmADNzggZL2PTGL/vR5eF/NNQPU8P8ku8fIEQoZiA/vEcjxaSSRsMu/ckT3e57W2cOrxZyAXD9Ei/Sqpgiz58Ch61FkllbXdFcIQHWGklGfu+g22DA84= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=HPSMAvlXrD/fukZRD3tvT5nOoUrkf0DPCHdOvzSscfjsQx59gmQKUY8OGb5g78AW7UaWsrA4mVeNd+L+27e94HigRB174YNnxbdBXGOgPdB17tTzZtcKVX7kEhGQvgLAE358fgneqvjPjc9tjf2nksjK3FBH/qgqxzoEG/d/8F0= Message-ID: <588ce11d0711080432qc70e5caj62c2cc70e85c78c7@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2007 04:32:44 -0800 From: "Art Simon" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Expression Pedal - Alesis F2 Review In-Reply-To: <409977.70531.qm@web32703.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <588ce11d0711070911r3a4f82c9h1570964da0936343@mail.gmail.com> <409977.70531.qm@web32703.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76167 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2007 12:39:27 +0000 (UTC) I should look at the M-Audio pedal again, but my recollection was that the pivot points had some non-adjustable rivets (or something similar). There wasn't an obvious screw to tighten. I could be missing something though. On Nov 7, 2007 3:55 PM, bill bigrig wrote: > Howdy, > > Your m-audio pedal. Is it possible to tighen spring, > or string, or cable? Or adjust the tension of a couple > screws? Is ther no way at all to adjust the > resistance? > Rig > -- Art Simon simart@null.net http://art.simon.tripod.com http://www.myspace.com/artsimon From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 8 14:17:04 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 489093BEEC; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 14:17:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.8 (2007-02-13) on smtp.atwdsl.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.1 required=6.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.1.8 Message-ID: <47331E32.9070207@unguitar.com> Date: Thu, 08 Nov 2007 15:33:22 +0100 From: Luca Formentini User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Tacet - New album is out ( please forgive me for this self promotion, take it as a will to inform) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76168 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2007 14:17:04 +0000 (UTC) Hi dear(s), after a long, long time working on it, my new album is finally out on Extreme. Very happy to have had Steve Lawson, Markus Stockhausen, Steve Jansen, Deborah Walker and Frank Moreno together with me. Extreme hasn't the album on the website yet ( www.xtr.com) but I see there are some excerpts on some websites: http://www.amazon.com/Tacet-Luca-Formentini/dp/B000UIFKRA http://www.last.fm/music/Luca+Formentini http://artistdirect.com/nad/store/artist/album/0,,4391977,00.html The album is starting to get some reviews, you can find some of them here: http://www.unguitar.com/tacet_eng.htm Thanks for reading this spam ;-) my best, luca www.unguitar.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 8 14:24:18 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F2E373BEF8; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 14:24:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 632442658-mk-filter-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com-B2C-$THROTTLED-DYNAMIC-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 79.74.156.236 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Aq4HAJOqMkdPSpzs/2dsb2JhbACCKo4ilE4 Message-ID: <47331C49.1060506@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Thu, 08 Nov 2007 14:25:13 +0000 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Tacet - New album is out ( please forgive me for this self promotion, take it as a will to inform) References: <47331E32.9070207@unguitar.com> In-Reply-To: <47331E32.9070207@unguitar.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76169 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2007 14:24:17 +0000 (UTC) Luca Formentini wrote: > Hi dear(s), > after a long, long time working on it, my new album is finally out on > Extreme. > Very happy to have had Steve Lawson, Markus Stockhausen, Steve Jansen, > Deborah Walker and Frank Moreno together with me. that is so 15 hours ago andy ps :-) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 8 14:32:03 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5650F3BEF8; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 14:32:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.8 (2007-02-13) on smtp.atwdsl.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.1 required=6.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.1.8 Message-ID: <473321C6.6000704@unguitar.com> Date: Thu, 08 Nov 2007 15:48:38 +0100 From: Luca Formentini User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Tacet - New album is out ( please forgive me for this self promotion, take it as a will to inform) References: <47331E32.9070207@unguitar.com> <47331C49.1060506@tiscali.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <47331C49.1060506@tiscali.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76170 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2007 14:32:03 +0000 (UTC) Hi Andy, what did I do 15 hours ago ? I tried to post this yesterday night but I couldn't see it in the forum ( I had put a "spam!" warning in the subject and think this is why it didn't come thru). Did it maybe arrive while I didn't notice it ? if yes, please accept my apologies :-) luca > that is so 15 hours ago > andy > ps :-) > > > > __________ Informazione NOD32 2646 (20071108) __________ > > Questo messaggio è stato controllato dal Sistema Antivirus NOD32 > http://www.nod32.it > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 8 14:43:09 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3ABF03BEFA; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 14:43:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <001a01c82215$accbbcb0$1bb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <380-220071137202931694@M2W008.mail2web.com> <0a0a01c82182$ba165530$52b4ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <47322F0E.1060702@tiscali.co.uk> <0a2401c8218d$a3471870$52b4ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <4732C72E.4040806@tiscali.co.uk> Subject: Re: Expression Pedal - Ernies Stereo one isn't Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2007 07:43:05 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76171 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2007 14:43:08 +0000 (UTC) re: Ernie Ball pedal > that helps, (if it's accurate). > Some gear uses TRS for patching stereo signals with > just one cable. > Conclusion= not an expression ped Yup, at least for those who have to plug their pedals into the traditional expression pedal jack of an effect device. I could easily use it as an expression pedel with my system, but then do I want to pack three of these in my suit case, plus all the cables that go with them? Wow. Not me, even if it does feel good to put the pedal to the metal with those sturdy things. :) Kris > > andy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 8 14:50:19 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 27ECE3BF07; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 14:50:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <001f01c82216$ad5da700$1bb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <380-220071137224345733@M2W032.mail2web.com> <0a5801c82195$e1deae10$52b4ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <4732C8F5.6030503@tiscali.co.uk> Subject: Re: Expression vs Vol pedal for midi control Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2007 07:50:15 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76172 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2007 14:50:19 +0000 (UTC) > That's misleading. > Sure, in Max you can compensate for a mis-matched pedal. > (with some loss of definition) > ...but a midi-controller, of FX unit needs a pedal with > the correct spec. Not sure I follow you. Why do you think there would be loss of definition? If anything I have more, because I am not limited to 0-127, but I can take a continuous amp change (down to as many decimal points as I desire) and convert that into any range I like, mapped to an express pedal. What I have experienced is a more fluid change of parameters in my system vs, with MIDI, because the source of the scale is not forced into chucks of 0-127, but literally thousands of data points. I can't think of a more efficient and fast way to control my parameter changes. The calculation and conversion of a db range (e.g., -10db to 0db) to a linear scale, and then to my parameter values (some number to some number, even in decimals) is almost instantanous. But you are right. What I is stated below is misleading without qualifying that this is in the context of max/msp. Otherwise, the pedal is useless for expression changes. Kris > andy > > Krispen Hartung wrote: >> >> I am no expert, but Jeff Kaiser, who has done some research on this with >> max/msp, says that any volume pedal will work, because it is just >> inducing an amplitude change. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 8 15:03:18 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 68E3A3BF04; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 15:03:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 399 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Thu, 08 Nov 2007 15:03:17 UTC Message-ID: <20071108085633.e1qzgokpc8cgs4s4@69.89.21.76> Date: Thu, 08 Nov 2007 08:56:33 -0600 From: kkissinger@kevinkissinger.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: LOOP CD review: Erdem Helvacioglu's Altered Realities References: <005d01c820ef$2fe8d600$6401a8c0@dayglogreen> <4e16609f985e103a540f39ea7570948a@charter.net> <001001c8218e$304db210$0202a8c0@YOUR08D5303051> In-Reply-To: <001001c8218e$304db210$0202a8c0@YOUR08D5303051> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.3) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - box76.bluehost.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - kevinkissinger.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76173 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2007 15:03:18 +0000 (UTC) I listened to some of the sample tracks and immediately ordered the CD. I listen to music in two ways. One is simply to sit back and take it =20 in -- the way that most folks would listen to music. The other way is =20 to analyze the process and techniques. When I discover music that I =20 enjoy, I want to dig in and learn all I can about the equipment and =20 processes that enable/support such music. I use the term =20 "enable/support" because creativity and musicianship has much to do =20 with the final result. I very much enjoyed Erdem's music at the festival and look forward to =20 hearing more in the future. -- Kevin Quoting Jeff Duke : > I got it here for instant gratification! > http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=3Dnb_ss_dmusic/104-5797716-7464701?url=3Dsearc= h-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=3DErdem+Helvacio%3Flu > It's really great... > Jeff > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "tEd =AE KiLLiAn" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2007 10:21 AM > Subject: Re: LOOP CD review: Erdem Helvacioglu's Altered Realities > > >> Rick, >> >> I will pipe in with my agreement here too. >> >> I bought Erdem's CD at Y2K7 and listened to it on the long drive =20 >> home to Oregon. >> >> It is fantastic! >> >> I'm not sure where one would buy one except at one of his gigs. >> >> But it is definitely worth seeking out. >> >> Cheers, >> >> Ted Killian From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 8 15:17:09 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BFE073BF0A; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 15:17:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 857 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Thu, 08 Nov 2007 15:17:09 UTC Message-ID: <4733251A.30604@triliteral.org> Date: Thu, 08 Nov 2007 10:02:50 -0500 From: Tom Hall User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (Windows/20070728) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Gig Spam - Tom Hall - Boston, MA Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <1UfuxD.A.gUH.1hyMHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76174 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2007 15:17:09 +0000 (UTC) Just thought I'd pass along this info about my upcoming looping show for any interested Boston area folks! A solo show with Tom Hall tenor & baritone saxophones, voice, effects Sunday November 11th 2pm Rose Art Museum @ Brandeis University free with $3 museum admission 415 South Street, Waltham, MA Directions: www.brandeis.edu/rose/visitus/directions.html I've also put up some music & video from previous live shows up on Myspace if you want to check it out. www.myspace.com/wwwmyspacecomtomhall Hope to see you there! Tom From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 8 15:29:22 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 226B93BF0E; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 15:29:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 632467923-mk-filter-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com-B2C-$THROTTLED-DYNAMIC-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 79.74.156.236 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Aq4HAJK5MkdPSpzs/2dsb2JhbACCKqJK Message-ID: <47332B8D.6000502@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Thu, 08 Nov 2007 15:30:21 +0000 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Tacet - New album is out ( please forgive me for this self promotion, take it as a will to inform) References: <47331E32.9070207@unguitar.com> <47331C49.1060506@tiscali.co.uk> <473321C6.6000704@unguitar.com> In-Reply-To: <473321C6.6000704@unguitar.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76175 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2007 15:29:22 +0000 (UTC) Sorry mate, just a bit of humour. Indeed we are heard about your cd from that last post 15 hours ago. ...lot's of folk here admiring your work, ...and the one snippet amazon let me hear sounded pretty good I must say. andy Luca Formentini wrote: > Hi Andy, > what did I do 15 hours ago ? > I tried to post this yesterday night but I couldn't see it in the forum > ( I had put a "spam!" warning in the subject and think this is why it > didn't come thru). > Did it maybe arrive while I didn't notice it ? > if yes, please accept my apologies :-) > > luca > >> that is so 15 hours ago >> andy >> ps :-) >> >> >> >> __________ Informazione NOD32 2646 (20071108) __________ >> >> Questo messaggio è stato controllato dal Sistema Antivirus NOD32 >> http://www.nod32.it >> >> >> > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 8 15:37:24 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2F6B43BF12; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 15:37:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 623602829-mk-filter-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com-B2C-$THROTTLED-DYNAMIC-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 79.74.156.236 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Aq4HAGS8MkdPSpzs/2dsb2JhbACCKo4jlBI Message-ID: <47332D6F.9010508@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Thu, 08 Nov 2007 15:38:23 +0000 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Expression vs Vol pedal for midi control References: <380-220071137224345733@M2W032.mail2web.com> <0a5801c82195$e1deae10$52b4ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <4732C8F5.6030503@tiscali.co.uk> <001f01c82216$ad5da700$1bb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> In-Reply-To: <001f01c82216$ad5da700$1bb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76176 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2007 15:37:24 +0000 (UTC) Krispen Hartung wrote: >> That's misleading. >> Sure, in Max you can compensate for a mis-matched pedal. >> (with some loss of definition) >> ...but a midi-controller, of FX unit needs a pedal with >> the correct spec. > > Not sure I follow you. Why do you think there would be loss of > definition? If anything I have more, because I am not limited to 0-127, > but I can take a continuous amp change (down to as many decimal points > as I desire) and convert that into any range I like, mapped to an > express pedal. Quite so, but wasn't the original question to do with the suitability as a regular expression pedal? As a Max (or Bidule) specific solution it looks very neat if you can afford the audio channels. The only problem I can see with your approach is that in removing elements of the sine frequency to stop them modulating the control signal end up with a delay in the control signal, but then a rough 128 step controller also needs filtering. What frequency do you use? andy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 8 15:58:05 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3A05E3BF06; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 15:58:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <47324AB6.4070004@unguitar.com> References: <47324AB6.4070004@unguitar.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <3cfb2c71bc9c795eb1a199b4915a7ab4@charter.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?tEd_=AE_KiLLiAn?= Subject: Re: New album out - warning: this is spam ! Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2007 07:57:57 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) X-Chzlrs: 0 Resent-Message-ID: <_eoJa.A.CfB.MIzMHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76177 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2007 15:58:05 +0000 (UTC) Hi there, When I saw that your project included Steve Lawson I new it was something I just had to check out. I listened to the excerpts on Amazon and immediately put the CD on my "wish list" to purchase later. I'm a little old-fashioned that way . . . I still like having a physical CD . . . even though most of my listening experience will ultimately be via MP3s on a computer or an iPod (LOL). Great work though . . . really! I am glad you mentioned your collaborators. I'm sorry to admit it, but it got me to check out some really good music that I otherwise might have missed. Thanks! Cheers, Ted Killian On Nov 7, 2007, at 3:31 PM, Luca Formentini wrote: > Hi dear(s), > after a long, long time working on it, my new album is finally out on > Extreme. > Very happy to have had Steve Lawson, Markus Stockhausen, Steve Jansen, > Deborah Walker and Frank Moreno together with me. > > Extreme hasn't the album on the website yet ( www.xtr.com) but I see > there are some excerpts on some websites: > http://www.amazon.com/Tacet-Luca-Formentini/dp/B000UIFKRA > http://www.last.fm/music/Luca+Formentini > http://artistdirect.com/nad/store/artist/album/0,,4391977,00.html > > The album is starting to get some reviews, you can find some of them > here: > http://www.unguitar.com/tacet_eng.htm > > Thanks for reading this spam ;-) > > my best, > luca > www.unguitar.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 8 16:15:56 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 044553BF0D; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 16:15:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <47333625.5050000@post.cybercity.dk> Date: Thu, 08 Nov 2007 17:15:33 +0100 From: van Sinn Organization: van Sinn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight Subject: MIDI vol/bal box Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76178 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2007 16:15:55 +0000 (UTC) Related to the discussion at hand about expression pedals... Someone mentioned a vol/balance pedal. Some might want such a thingy in a rack (avoiding even more cables cross the floor); nobels.de had a very compact MIDI box, the mv-c. It can be either a volume or balance box, set with a switch, and accepts either PC or CC commands, again with a switch. Just asked Nobels if they could make the vol/bal functionality MIDI switchable. Schematics are available; HW-wise I can see it'll be easy. But ooups, it's no more available. Actually, it'll be easy adding a mini-jack to switch between vol/bal, using i.e. a control jack from an FCB1010, or some other MIDI switcher. Manual says, both vol and bal will be at #64 after operating the switch, indicating it's switchable when powered-on, making above mod possible. -- rgds, van Sinn From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 8 16:38:56 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BF3CC3BF0F; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 16:38:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Authenticated: #1228034 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1+yQL8ddiCyONE7zxqRQFkd/aEWFKEIbIGxedFCMx 8oBXFGlqGpNd6u Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: nico spahni Subject: encounters in the abyss Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2007 17:39:47 +0100 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 Resent-Message-ID: <8e6m7D.A.UpD.guzMHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76179 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2007 16:38:56 +0000 (UTC) Hi folks I'd like to share with you another sonic adventure featuring my kaoss-enhanced silent guitar (www.recpro.ch/pictures/kaoss_silent_guitar.jpg). This time, a great deal of looping, different kaoss pad patches and granular synthesis is involved: www.recpro.ch/mp3/encounters_in_the_abyss.mp3 Cheers from Switzerland Nico www.recpro.ch www.myspace.com/nicospahni From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 8 17:41:09 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3569D3BF14; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 17:41:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: midifriedchicken@comcast.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: encounters in the abyss Date: Thu, 08 Nov 2007 17:41:06 +0000 Message-Id: <110820071741.19772.47334A320005A52000004D3C2215575474020A050C07080C0B0A079D00070B0703@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Oct 30 2007) X-Authenticated-Sender: bWlkaWZyaWVkY2hpY2tlbkBjb21jYXN0Lm5ldA== Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76180 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2007 17:41:08 +0000 (UTC) Wow, thats really cool. I wonder how long it will be until someone produces a guitar with midi controllers built in, (xy pad, various knobs and sliders). Maybe there will be a guitar speciffically built and mapped for Ableton. Yet another example of this list spawing high creativity. Great Job. MFC -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: nico spahni > Hi folks > > I'd like to share with you another sonic adventure featuring my > kaoss-enhanced silent guitar > (www.recpro.ch/pictures/kaoss_silent_guitar.jpg). This time, a great > deal of looping, different kaoss pad patches and granular synthesis is > involved: > > www.recpro.ch/mp3/encounters_in_the_abyss.mp3 > > Cheers from Switzerland > > Nico > > www.recpro.ch > www.myspace.com/nicospahni > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 8 17:56:09 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EE05C3BF1A; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 17:56:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <47334D8A.9010401@mhorse.com> Date: Thu, 08 Nov 2007 11:55:22 -0600 From: Daryl Shawn User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.13 (Windows/20070809) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Chinapainting article References: <20071108174110.3D2293BF18@arsenic.violacea.com> In-Reply-To: <20071108174110.3D2293BF18@arsenic.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <2tARUD.A.bWH.420MHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76181 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2007 17:56:08 +0000 (UTC) There's a new article on Chinapainting up on Mel Bay's "Guitar Sessions" site. Included are shout-outs to LD, the Loopfest, and the 2006 Kyberfest which brought Jim and I together, plus pix, a few videos, and all sorts of trivia: http://www.guitarsessions.com/nov07/tales.asp Daryl Shawn www.swanwelder.com www.chinapaintingmusic.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 8 18:07:38 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5F17B3BF1F; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 18:07:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <00aa01c82232$3e291c90$1bb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <380-220071137224345733@M2W032.mail2web.com> <0a5801c82195$e1deae10$52b4ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <4732C8F5.6030503@tiscali.co.uk> <001f01c82216$ad5da700$1bb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <47332D6F.9010508@tiscali.co.uk> Subject: Re: Expression vs Vol pedal for midi control Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2007 11:07:35 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: <-d7mkD.A.gF.qB1MHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76182 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2007 18:07:38 +0000 (UTC) >> Not sure I follow you. Why do you think there would be loss of >> definition? If anything I have more, because I am not limited to 0-127, >> but I can take a continuous amp change (down to as many decimal points as >> I desire) and convert that into any range I like, mapped to an express >> pedal. > > Quite so, but wasn't the original question to do with the suitability as > a regular expression pedal? As a Max (or Bidule) specific solution > it looks very neat if you can afford the audio channels. Yes, you are right. We're down the max/msp rabbit hole now. :) > The only problem I can see with your approach is that in removing elements > of the sine frequency to stop them modulating the control signal end up > with a delay in the control signal, but then a rough 128 step controller > also needs filtering. > What frequency do you use? I don't have my patch in front of me now, but I think it was 100hz. I actually asked Jeff this, and he said it made no difference, based on testing with different frequencies. All you need is a wave...square, saw, sine...doesn't matter...just something to generate a signal and level that can be measured by max. He's been using this method for years and has wrote papers on its efficiency. I have not percieved any delay in the signal. The conversation process from signal level range to parameter range is so unbelievably simple and requires very little code in max. It's mostly all mathematical. Kris From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 8 18:18:17 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C465E3BF25; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 18:18:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <20071108121814.6ru8ilm9pw80kwkc@69.89.21.76> Date: Thu, 08 Nov 2007 12:18:14 -0600 From: kkissinger@kevinkissinger.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Chinapainting article References: <20071108174110.3D2293BF18@arsenic.violacea.com> <47334D8A.9010401@mhorse.com> In-Reply-To: <47334D8A.9010401@mhorse.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.3) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - box76.bluehost.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - kevinkissinger.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76183 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2007 18:18:17 +0000 (UTC) That is a great article. Makes me want to learn about Ninjam, too. -- Kevin Quoting Daryl Shawn : > There's a new article on Chinapainting up on Mel Bay's "Guitar > Sessions" site. Included are shout-outs to LD, the Loopfest, and the > 2006 Kyberfest which brought Jim and I together, plus pix, a few > videos, and all sorts of trivia: > > http://www.guitarsessions.com/nov07/tales.asp > > Daryl Shawn > www.swanwelder.com > www.chinapaintingmusic.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 8 18:48:11 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 040A53BF17; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 18:48:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 1802 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Thu, 08 Nov 2007 18:48:10 UTC X-EN-OrigOutIP: 10.1.1.156 X-EN-IMPSID: AJJ71Y0063MxAyJ0000000 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Thu, 08 Nov 2007 10:18:19 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Sean Echevarria Subject: Re: Expression vs Vol pedal for midi control In-Reply-To: <00aa01c82232$3e291c90$1bb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> References: <380-220071137224345733@M2W032.mail2web.com> <0a5801c82195$e1deae10$52b4ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <4732C8F5.6030503@tiscali.co.uk> <001f01c82216$ad5da700$1bb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <47332D6F.9010508@tiscali.co.uk> <00aa01c82232$3e291c90$1bb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-EN-UserInfo: 4e12c5fe79f298d3e0334846d6e14b72:75caded3a5c52cf5820480c3dbce8e31 X-EN-AuthUser: seancreepingfog Sender: Sean Echevarria X-EN-OrigIP: 64.121.34.10 X-EN-OrigHost: 64-121-34-10.c3-0.snmt-ubr1.sfrn-snmt.ca.static.cable.rcn.com Message-Id: <20071108184810.9CB8E3BF0E@arsenic.violacea.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76184 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2007 18:48:11 +0000 (UTC) conversation conversion conversion conversation conservation conversation conversion conservation conversation observation observation obstination obstination daydream nation >efficiency. I have not percieved any delay in the signal. The >conversation process from signal level >range to parameter range is so unbelievably simple and requires very >little code in max. It's mostly >all mathematical. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 8 18:49:39 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 57B5E3BF21; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 18:49:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; bh=9pkjY2J+PhbGQFuSPjr5c/SIboiQ5hkvl3axmXhTois=; b=a6vEz8VtANWnFq1jH03ZmXVc3uIln9rPv3tZMhgrS9yiCvSf/dds+9z6cqb2rYbNieOdb0+hDzIcj2LsjleQ/8lozaji5oIYUv1U9420m5BARaqvTHRbqaeDUKWZJ25sJIY2+n066XU5XOLRwdrr6FemMvzHEfDpA/B/ugC+WOE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=dv4oz9f+mjezxzqomT4Y8mXqc9mhjtIyfB+VJAf4rStecTOD87FV0NFdBE12YuM95IoX9RfVT8uvkTYPmEhgokv2Jwk+iNr3pwoas7+asu0LfFFcVVclkzRy6vS3hOSlxBEENS90vpTh31GNOAN9VMJo6TXslt/H+QgdLipM7iM= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <47334D8A.9010401@mhorse.com> References: <20071108174110.3D2293BF18@arsenic.violacea.com> <47334D8A.9010401@mhorse.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Chinapainting article Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2007 19:49:32 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: <5VEhuB.A.T5B.Dp1MHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76185 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2007 18:49:39 +0000 (UTC) On 8 nov 2007, at 18.55, Daryl Shawn wrote: > There's a new article on Chinapainting up on Mel Bay's "Guitar > Sessions" site. Included are shout-outs to LD, the Loopfest, and > the 2006 Kyberfest which brought Jim and I together, plus pix, a > few videos, and all sorts of trivia: > > http://www.guitarsessions.com/nov07/tales.asp Thanks, Daryl. Very interesting reading. I never knew that you were actually "breaching out by Ninjam from a war zone asylum"... how cool is that! Love colorful writing ;-) Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 8 19:09:38 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EEC383BF17; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 19:09:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <007701c8223b$6d829b70$d384040a@kleiner> Reply-To: "Tilmann Dehnhard" From: "Tilmann Dehnhard" To: References: <380-220071137224345733@M2W032.mail2web.com> <0a5801c82195$e1deae10$52b4ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <4732C8F5.6030503@tiscali.co.uk> <001f01c82216$ad5da700$1bb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <47332D6F.9010508@tiscali.co.uk> <00aa01c82232$3e291c90$1bb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <20071108184810.9CB8E3BF0E@arsenic.violacea.com> Subject: Re: Expression vs Vol pedal for midi control Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2007 14:13:13 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1+4HluzXQu0Twava1vBeFq39OmBKWXb61XFkOE q6lPfVyexAxcndV3cpXcr0HrKHdxhvAn/5r1Sbva72sYvGhEpS ztPir3gbNA4UPEvI2SJKwr8UXfwNoi+ Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76186 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2007 19:09:37 +0000 (UTC) once a guy on a streetcorner in manhattan asked me "what´s the best nation?" repetitiously. finally he presented his paper cup and said with a grand smile: "the best nation is a DOnation!" i laughed and he made a dollar. tilmann ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sean Echevarria" To: Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2007 1:18 PM Subject: Re: Expression vs Vol pedal for midi control > conversation conversion > conversion conversation > conservation conversation > conversion conservation > conversation observation > observation obstination > obstination daydream nation From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 8 19:18:20 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6A90B3BF22; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 19:18:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 632569896-mk-filter-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com-B2C-$THROTTLED-DYNAMIC-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 79.74.159.154 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Aq4HACLvMkdPSp+a/2dsb2JhbACCKqJd Message-ID: <47336137.9060401@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Thu, 08 Nov 2007 19:19:19 +0000 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Expression vs Vol pedal(using audio in/out) References: <380-220071137224345733@M2W032.mail2web.com> <0a5801c82195$e1deae10$52b4ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <4732C8F5.6030503@tiscali.co.uk> <001f01c82216$ad5da700$1bb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <47332D6F.9010508@tiscali.co.uk> <00aa01c82232$3e291c90$1bb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> In-Reply-To: <00aa01c82232$3e291c90$1bb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <4fC3l.A.8HD.8D2MHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76187 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2007 19:18:20 +0000 (UTC) > > I don't have my patch in front of me now, but I think it was 100hz. I > actually asked Jeff this, and > he said it made no difference, based on testing with different > frequencies. a higher frequency would be easier to filter out. ..but too high and you'd want to interpolate the peaks. I'd go into the kilohertz range. ....but as it works anyway ;-) > All you need is a > wave...square, saw, sine...doesn't matter...just something to generate a > signal and level that can > be measured by max. He's been using this method for years and has wrote > papers on its > efficiency. I have not percieved any delay in the signal. well, if you didn't perceive a modulation of the signal at 100Hz there must be some delay, as to filter out the 100Hz component would certainly cause one. mind you only around 10mS or so. In the same way that using a compressor with a fast setting on a bass note can cause distortion there's a play-off. Interesting technique, could be really handy for someone with a minimal setup. ..and at least as good as Midi with it's 128 steps which also need filtering. > The > conversation process from signal level > range to parameter range is so unbelievably simple and requires very > little code in max. take absolute value and lo-pass it. ( do-able in Bidule, probably others too ) ...or something a bit more complex with hold times and stuff to really get the fastest response. andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 8 19:25:24 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 327CF3BF1A; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 19:25:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 401 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Thu, 08 Nov 2007 19:25:23 UTC DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=Wdzb5gv6Bho6XIgBCcGMN3SbERcdNqSD4GVMVZkaTTV5Ui7wm2X5VEVsX6EzwuX1jto/NupSBSbcoCogVAKM95IGnFwcDvV6b/QqjU14TRfz6h9aCRtoKALa3Enrsj2ROHOeFeBYC4sGRBzg3rAAmYEm2BnBeukPuXgjlmdvAEs=; X-YMail-OSG: koZVLR0VM1lPX1MpPsanA7YMS5jEk1H9np8lAlFFrr_wzDJoKLL2dCoPGSjsUU_r0oS2w10UTGviu342D2HnktELtA-- Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2007 11:18:41 -0800 (PST) From: grw20022 Subject: sor sale RC-20 loop station To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20060520152151.4298.qmail@web33808.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-848318677-1194549521=:25016" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <239272.25016.qm@web34205.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76188 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2007 19:25:24 +0000 (UTC) --0-848318677-1194549521=:25016 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit this is in mint condition. still in the box and works very good. I am looking to get other instruments with this sale. who ever gets it will have a good instrument. I am asking $220. I will take care of the H/S. I bought it new. you have to mail it to me by a cerified mail with either cash or money order or bank check...the cerified mail is to make sure I get it and I will mail it right out to you. these are some of the things the pedal can do. RC-20: Loop Station Features The RC-20 Loop Station is the first compact phrase recording and sampling pedal that's actually easy to use. 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Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com --0-848318677-1194549521=:25016 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit this is in mint condition. still in the box and works very good. I am looking to get other instruments with this sale. who ever gets it will have a good instrument. I am asking $220. I will take care of the H/S. I bought it new. you have to mail it to me by a cerified mail with either cash or money order or bank check...the cerified mail is to make sure I get it and I will mail it right out to you. these are some of the things the pedal can do. RC-20: Loop Station
        Features
        The RC-20 Loop Station is the first compact phrase recording and sampling pedal that's actually easy to use. A long sampling time of up to 5 1/2 minutes,  Realtime Tempo Change and hands-free control make the RC-20 a must-own pedal for musicians looking to create and play back loops, on the fly.
        powerful phrase recording/sampling pedal
        Realtime Tempo Change function allows for changing recorded samples tempo without changing pitch
        Overdub function allows for creation of sound-on-sound loops
        Stores up to 10 looped phrases and 1 "one-shot" phrase, even after power-off
        5 1/2 minutes total sampling time
        Mic input, Instrument input and Auxiliary input for sampling vocals or pre-recorded audio–even simultaneously
        Auto Start begins sampling automatically with incoming audio
        Reverse sample playback on the fly.
         you can get back to me at grw2002@hotmail.com
        Gerry


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        http://mail.yahoo.com --0-848318677-1194549521=:25016-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 8 19:27:40 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4A2CE3BF2D; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 19:27:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=11p0PijcUK7KJVU1FsGSfqQ5ozQTNNswYw1fFssVcJ4TaDbnCq4qk2/fWdLFIGpfTZNaJDZljBENbA++VIAh6guO7+yHHF+gbHQdxCZ8gtSQJ9pmRWi65mZOT42VhMwNMzENKqaHkhsNIr5XecEr0tehlM7GtD5MfHMiUKiJQv4=; X-YMail-OSG: 2Ax4JegVM1lp2D4TITutbI8Nndx4OCgwbrjWhZwfWfRQotCukTtB6ktHdGAQo4QEoi.4IIuFuw5ZQNGynoKc3mBTaPUDFqGofw7FbhSyYBQEsMwGKi8- Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2007 11:20:57 -0800 (PST) From: grw20022 Subject: for sale RC-20 loop station To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1979088158-1194549657=:65332" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <72771.65332.qm@web34203.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76189 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2007 19:27:40 +0000 (UTC) --0-1979088158-1194549657=:65332 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit this is in mint condition. still in the box and works very good. I am looking to get other instruments with this sale. who ever gets it will have a good instrument. I am asking $220. I will take care of the H/S. I bought it new. you have to mail it to me by a cerified mail with either cash or money order or bank check...the cerified mail is to make sure I get it and I will mail it right out to you. these are some of the things the pedal can do. RC-20: Loop Station Features The RC-20 Loop Station is the first compact phrase recording and sampling pedal that's actually easy to use. A long sampling time of up to 5 1/2 minutes, Realtime Tempo Change and hands-free control make the RC-20 a must-own pedal for musicians looking to create and play back loops, on the fly. powerful phrase recording/sampling pedal Realtime Tempo Change function allows for changing recorded samples tempo without changing pitch Overdub function allows for creation of sound-on-sound loops Stores up to 10 looped phrases and 1 "one-shot" phrase, even after power-off 5 1/2 minutes total sampling time Mic input, Instrument input and Auxiliary input for sampling vocals or pre-recorded audio–even simultaneously Auto Start begins sampling automatically with incoming audio Reverse sample playback on the fly. you can get back to me at grw2002@hotmail.com Gerry __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com --0-1979088158-1194549657=:65332 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit this is in mint condition. still in the box and works very good. I am looking to get other instruments with this sale. who ever gets it will have a good instrument. I am asking $220. I will take care of the H/S. I bought it new. you have to mail it to me by a cerified mail with either cash or money order or bank check...the cerified mail is to make sure I get it and I will mail it right out to you. these are some of the things the pedal can do. RC-20: Loop Station
        Features
        The RC-20 Loop Station is the first compact phrase recording and sampling pedal that's actually easy to use. A long sampling time of up to 5 1/2 minutes,  Realtime Tempo Change and hands-free control make the RC-20 a must-own pedal for musicians looking to create and play back loops, on the fly.
        powerful phrase recording/sampling pedal
        Realtime Tempo Change function allows for changing recorded samples tempo without changing pitch
        Overdub function allows for creation of sound-on-sound loops
        Stores up to 10 looped phrases and 1 "one-shot" phrase, even after power-off
        5 1/2 minutes total sampling time
        Mic input, Instrument input and Auxiliary input for sampling vocals or pre-recorded audio–even simultaneously
        Auto Start begins sampling automatically with incoming audio
        Reverse sample playback on the fly.
         you can get back to me at grw2002@hotmail.com
        Gerry

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        http://mail.yahoo.com --0-1979088158-1194549657=:65332-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 8 19:41:59 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 048463BF2A; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 19:41:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <1194548998.47335f06c7831@webmail.musetrap.com> Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2007 13:09:58 -0600 From: cpr@musetrap.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Chinapainting article References: <20071108174110.3D2293BF18@arsenic.violacea.com> <47334D8A.9010401@mhorse.com> In-Reply-To: <47334D8A.9010401@mhorse.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.2.2 X-Originating-IP: 208.49.125.142 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76190 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2007 19:41:58 +0000 (UTC) congrats guys! :) peace -cpr Quoting Daryl Shawn : > There's a new article on Chinapainting up on Mel Bay's "Guitar Sessions" > site. Included are shout-outs to LD, the Loopfest, and the 2006 > Kyberfest which brought Jim and I together, plus pix, a few videos, and > all sorts of trivia: > > http://www.guitarsessions.com/nov07/tales.asp > > Daryl Shawn > www.swanwelder.com > www.chinapaintingmusic.com > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 8 19:56:14 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8CD603BF17; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 19:56:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 430 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Thu, 08 Nov 2007 19:56:14 UTC DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=hgSI+anMffrdXDzgDu8MUo+1Oo2WcPdxGnLMik0bHcU=; b=QwPIkXzApe2QAnfnrtPg1UwUPk0AzbCH3nbIWqMct86jlM15IMGhDiiwbmdtn34pIyZsfWCn8591ZZ2ArXrJtkMBofRRi5suaHkfqM4nCJLznFvmVNxDgzZU5R3xz8HSwyl/u52/Z+05gCBtN5u4HjO2QzUYH/8N91JTiDzdwLo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=hOaKn/TdpSlULPGVUaQOeix8e+t1DYC3aVfUTCG2vcGaY9bB1rwzKML1adN7gQmptnsj0yeb4VdFJ7ohDb/M+0uzIBJ7VmZVjC9IJh+fJI/bC/sbWEojULgmgcQS4unlIShmr5G7aVelHxtCFokBNqWUf0eeVn76GC7PYj16fw0= Message-ID: <9e0440a60711081149l3928853bn945bfa4b2bc7e515@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2007 14:49:03 -0500 From: "Jim Goodin" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Chinapainting article In-Reply-To: <1194548998.47335f06c7831@webmail.musetrap.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_38222_22378579.1194551343538" References: <20071108174110.3D2293BF18@arsenic.violacea.com> <47334D8A.9010401@mhorse.com> <1194548998.47335f06c7831@webmail.musetrap.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76191 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2007 19:56:14 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_38222_22378579.1194551343538 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline thanks we really owe you a huge thanks Chris and we should have a 'special thanks...' in our text. This is a webzine, I've submitted several revisions let me see if I can get one more... sorry for the oversight but thank you once again for hosting us... Jim On Nov 8, 2007 2:09 PM, wrote: > congrats guys! :) > > peace > -cpr > > Quoting Daryl Shawn : > > > There's a new article on Chinapainting up on Mel Bay's "Guitar > Sessions" > > site. Included are shout-outs to LD, the Loopfest, and the 2006 > > Kyberfest which brought Jim and I together, plus pix, a few videos, and > > all sorts of trivia: > > > > http://www.guitarsessions.com/nov07/tales.asp > > > > Daryl Shawn > > www.swanwelder.com > > www.chinapaintingmusic.com > > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. > > -- The Acoustic World Guitar of Jim Goodin - http://www.jimgoodinmusic.com MySpace (solo) - http://www.myspace.com/jimgoodinmusic Chinapainting - http://www.chinapaintingmusic.com Chinapainting on My Space - http://www.myspace.com/chinapaintingmusic.com The Jim Goodin label and home for 7 other creative souls - http://www.woodandwiremusic.com Jim Goodin uses GHS Strings - http://www.ghsstrings.com and Seagull Guitars - http://www.seagullguitars.com, Jim Goodin is published by Mel Bay Publications, Inc. - http://www.melbay.com Associates and friends on the web - Daryl Shawn - http://www.swanwelder.com Adam Werner - http://www.adamwerner.com John Stowell - http://www.johnstowell.com Matt Richards - http://www.mattrichardsmusic.net Michael Manring - http://www.manthing.com Will Ackerman - http://www.williamackerman.com New Land Music - http://www.newlandmusic.com ------=_Part_38222_22378579.1194551343538 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline

        thanks we really owe you a  huge thanks Chris and we should have a 'special thanks...' in our text.  This  is  a webzine, I've submitted several revisions let me see if I can get one more...  sorry for  the oversight but thank you once again for hosting us...
        Jim
        On Nov 8, 2007 2:09 PM, <cpr@musetrap.com> wrote:
        congrats guys! :)

        peace
        -cpr

        Quoting Daryl Shawn <highhorse@mhorse.com>:

        > There's a new article on Chinapainting up on Mel Bay's "Guitar Sessions"
        > site. Included are shout-outs to LD, the Loopfest, and the 2006
        > Kyberfest which brought Jim and I together, plus pix, a few videos, and
        > all sorts of trivia:
        >
        > http://www.guitarsessions.com/nov07/tales.asp
        >
        > Daryl Shawn
        > www.swanwelder.com
        > www.chinapaintingmusic.com
        >
        >




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        --
        The Acoustic World Guitar of Jim Goodin  - http://www.jimgoodinmusic.com
        MySpace (solo) - http://www.myspace.com/jimgoodinmusic
        Chinapainting -
        http://www.chinapaintingmusic.com
        Chinapainting on My Space -
        http://www.myspace.com/chinapaintingmusic.com
        The Jim Goodin label and home for 7 other creative souls - http://www.woodandwiremusic.com
        Jim Goodin uses GHS Strings - http://www.ghsstrings.com and Seagull Guitars - http://www.seagullguitars.com , Jim Goodin is published by Mel Bay Publications, Inc. - http://www.melbay.com

        Associates and friends on the web -
        Daryl Shawn -
        http://www.swanwelder.com
        Adam Werner - http://www.adamwerner.com
        John Stowell - http://www.johnstowell.com
        Matt Richards - http://www.mattrichardsmusic.net
        Michael Manring - http://www.manthing.com
        Will Ackerman - http://www.williamackerman.com
        New Land Music - http://www.newlandmusic.com ------=_Part_38222_22378579.1194551343538-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 8 19:56:31 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6865B3BF3C; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 19:56:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <1194549785.4733621959a69@webmail.musetrap.com> Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2007 13:23:05 -0600 From: cpr@musetrap.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Chinapainting article References: <20071108174110.3D2293BF18@arsenic.violacea.com> <47334D8A.9010401@mhorse.com> <20071108121814.6ru8ilm9pw80kwkc@69.89.21.76> In-Reply-To: <20071108121814.6ru8ilm9pw80kwkc@69.89.21.76> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.2.2 X-Originating-IP: 208.49.125.142 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76192 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2007 19:56:31 +0000 (UTC) My NINJAM server is always running, so if anyone else is interested in using it, please send me an email and I'll give you the access info.. I would post it to the list, but as the messages are accessable to non-list members on the LD site, I don't want to incur any general populous usage of the server.. :) As well, any loopers who already have the info, please feel free to pass it on to others on the list.. :) peace -cpr Quoting kkissinger@kevinkissinger.com: > That is a great article. Makes me want to learn about Ninjam, too. > > -- Kevin > > Quoting Daryl Shawn : > > > There's a new article on Chinapainting up on Mel Bay's "Guitar > > Sessions" site. Included are shout-outs to LD, the Loopfest, and the > > 2006 Kyberfest which brought Jim and I together, plus pix, a few > > videos, and all sorts of trivia: > > > > http://www.guitarsessions.com/nov07/tales.asp > > > > Daryl Shawn > > www.swanwelder.com > > www.chinapaintingmusic.com > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. From securre-acc@ebay.com Thu Nov 8 20:01:06 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 887 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Thu, 08 Nov 2007 20:01:05 UTC Received: from mail6.puntoweb.cl (mail6.puntoweb.cl [200.14.80.112]) by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D8543BF1F; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 20:01:04 +0000 (UTC) Received: from User ([71.248.124.127]) by mail6.puntoweb.cl (Servidor Correos Puntoweb Internet # 12) with ASMTP id KMA74320; Thu, 08 Nov 2007 16:46:14 -0300 From: "eBay ©" Subject: eBay Unpaid Item Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2007 14:46:14 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1251" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 1 X-MSMail-Priority: High X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-Id: <20071108200104.8D8543BF1F@arsenic.violacea.com> To: undisclosed-recipients:;

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        From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 8 21:30:21 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 95AB93BEC2; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 21:30:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <00e401c8224e$8ffbdaa0$1bb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <380-220071137224345733@M2W032.mail2web.com> <0a5801c82195$e1deae10$52b4ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <4732C8F5.6030503@tiscali.co.uk> <001f01c82216$ad5da700$1bb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <47332D6F.9010508@tiscali.co.uk> <00aa01c82232$3e291c90$1bb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <47336137.9060401@tiscali.co.uk> Subject: Re: Expression vs Vol pedal(using audio in/out) Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2007 14:30:18 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76193 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2007 21:30:21 +0000 (UTC) Andy - I'll try some higher frequencies from the sine wave just for kicks. Won't hurt. I created a simple diagram that shows how the EV-5 is working with max/msp as a controller. http://www.krispenhartung.com/images/ev-5max-msp.jpg Kris From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 8 21:33:25 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0819B3BEC7; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 21:33:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2007 16:33:01 EST Subject: Re: Chinapainting article To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_cf6.1f4944d6.3464da8d_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 293 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76194 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2007 21:33:24 +0000 (UTC) --part1_cf6.1f4944d6.3464da8d_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit fantastic!.....great article.....thanks for shareing.....michael "raise em to eat em!".....scoots galore "THOUGHTS ON PETS" www.ct-collective.com http://mysite.verizon.net/vzepmeci/ http://www.myspace.com/klobuchar11 ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com --part1_cf6.1f4944d6.3464da8d_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable fantastic!.....great article.....thanks= for shareing.....michael




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        See what's=20= new at http://www.aol.com --part1_cf6.1f4944d6.3464da8d_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 8 21:33:46 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AD88C3BED2; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 21:33:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <1194557184.47337f00553ba@webmail.musetrap.com> Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2007 15:26:24 -0600 From: cpr@musetrap.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Chinapainting article References: <20071108174110.3D2293BF18@arsenic.violacea.com> <47334D8A.9010401@mhorse.com> <1194548998.47335f06c7831@webmail.musetrap.com> <9e0440a60711081149l3928853bn945bfa4b2bc7e515@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <9e0440a60711081149l3928853bn945bfa4b2bc7e515@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.2.2 X-Originating-IP: 208.49.125.142 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76195 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2007 21:33:46 +0000 (UTC) Jim, you are very gracious with your thanks.. :) and you very welcome.. :) peace -cpr Quoting Jim Goodin : > thanks we really owe you a huge thanks Chris and we should have a 'special > thanks...' in our text. This is a webzine, I've submitted several > revisions let me see if I can get one more... sorry for the oversight but > thank you once again for hosting us... > Jim > On Nov 8, 2007 2:09 PM, wrote: > > > congrats guys! :) > > > > peace > > -cpr > > > > Quoting Daryl Shawn : > > > > > There's a new article on Chinapainting up on Mel Bay's "Guitar > > Sessions" > > > site. Included are shout-outs to LD, the Loopfest, and the 2006 > > > Kyberfest which brought Jim and I together, plus pix, a few videos, and > > > all sorts of trivia: > > > > > > http://www.guitarsessions.com/nov07/tales.asp > > > > > > Daryl Shawn > > > www.swanwelder.com > > > www.chinapaintingmusic.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > > This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. > > > > > > > -- > The Acoustic World Guitar of Jim Goodin - http://www.jimgoodinmusic.com > MySpace (solo) - http://www.myspace.com/jimgoodinmusic > Chinapainting - > http://www.chinapaintingmusic.com > Chinapainting on My Space - > http://www.myspace.com/chinapaintingmusic.com > The Jim Goodin label and home for 7 other creative souls - > http://www.woodandwiremusic.com > Jim Goodin uses GHS Strings - http://www.ghsstrings.com and Seagull Guitars > - http://www.seagullguitars.com, Jim Goodin is published by Mel Bay > Publications, Inc. - http://www.melbay.com > > Associates and friends on the web - > Daryl Shawn - > http://www.swanwelder.com > Adam Werner - http://www.adamwerner.com > John Stowell - http://www.johnstowell.com > Matt Richards - http://www.mattrichardsmusic.net > Michael Manring - http://www.manthing.com > Will Ackerman - http://www.williamackerman.com > New Land Music - http://www.newlandmusic.com > ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 8 21:55:23 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 851013BEC2; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 21:55:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <001701c82252$1ccd2c10$6c052052@customer3530f5> From: "Ian Popperwell" To: References: <252657.75811.qm@web34302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4732240C.3040801@tiscali.co.uk> Subject: Re: DL4 Expression Pedals Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2007 21:55:44 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76196 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2007 21:55:23 +0000 (UTC) Yeah, and the older Boss FV3300L too. Ian. ----- Original Message ----- From: "andy butler" To: Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2007 8:46 PM Subject: Re: DL4 Expression Pedals > ditch wrestler wrote: >> Anybody know if the Alesis, M-Audio, or Behringer pedals will work as an >> expression pedal for the DL4? >> ted. >> > > The Alesis works, but the response is very slow. > OK for slow fadeouts. > > The Boss FV-50L works fine. > (it's a volume control for line level signals) > > andy butler > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 9 02:49:31 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 229293BEAF; Fri, 9 Nov 2007 02:49:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Thu, 08 Nov 2007 21:36:35 -0500 From: "Emile Tobenfeld (a.k.a Dr. T)" Subject: Reminder: Video Performance, 119 Gallery, Lowell MA, 11.09.07 and upcoming. To: DrTVideo@egroups.com Cc: eyecandy@egroups.com, boss-improv@topica.com, iotacenter@egroups.com, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, atari-midi@yahoogroups.com, FRAMEWORKS@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76197 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2007 02:49:31 +0000 (UTC) Hi folks, I'll be performing video improvisations with some=20 old and new friends at 119 Gallery in Lowell,=20 tomorrow night. Nov 9 @119 Gallery, 8:30 PM Improvisations -- Doctor T with the Impromptu 3 Doctor T -- Video Mixing Michael Bloom -- Table Guitar and Bass Eric Crawley -- Keyboards and electronic percussion. Karen Langlie Augmented cello. $5 donation. 119 Gallery, 119 Chelmsford St, Lowell 978 452 8138 http://www.119gallery.org/ Note show is listed as Immersions on the 119 web site. Hope you can make it. I'll be performing again at 119 on Dec 1 with an=20 truly excellent jazz band -- I'm very excited to=20 have a chance to work with this band. DANIEL LEVIN=92S BLACK BEAR Daniel Levin - cello http://daniel-levin.com/ Rob Brown - alto sax http://robbrownmusic.com/ Gary Fieldman - drums http://garyfieldman.com/ -- " Practice makes perfect, imperfect is better." -- Paul Bley Emile Tobenfeld, Ph. D. Video Producer Image Processing Specialist Video for your HEAD! Boris FX http://www.foryourhead.com http://www.borisfx.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 9 05:58:07 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C64773BEC5; Fri, 9 Nov 2007 05:58:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <002a01c82295$7f52bf60$7db0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: Subject: Re: encounters in the abyss Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2007 22:58:04 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76198 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2007 05:58:07 +0000 (UTC) Nice! Big sounds and textures. I always like your stuff, Nico Kris ----- Original Message ----- > Hi folks > > I'd like to share with you another sonic adventure featuring my > kaoss-enhanced silent guitar > (www.recpro.ch/pictures/kaoss_silent_guitar.jpg). This time, a great > deal of looping, different kaoss pad patches and granular synthesis is > involved: > > www.recpro.ch/mp3/encounters_in_the_abyss.mp3 > > Cheers from Switzerland > > Nico > > www.recpro.ch > www.myspace.com/nicospahni > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 9 07:52:07 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A3C653BEC5; Fri, 9 Nov 2007 07:52:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Authenticated: #1228034 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX19a+ZwSiM1aWe4ar/MyncRh5J9ExO4W6LHvAbJu/W ehb0TDTwfdP2r+ Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <11e81a1d44abab6cff84e2ccde047a53@gmx.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: nico spahni Subject: OT: Interesting stuff on WGBH Forum Network Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2007 08:53:02 +0100 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76199 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2007 07:52:07 +0000 (UTC) Hi all I've recently stumbled upon a website featuring free public lectures on a wide range of subjects: http://forum.wgbh.org/wgbh. The following two lectures could be of interest to some of you: Award-winning writer, director, and producer David Lynch answers questions on his films, his 32-year practice of Transcendental Meditation, and the role of consciousness in the creative process. He is joined by physicist John Hagelin, who was featured in the documentary "What The Bleep Do We Know?" and neuroscientist Dr. Fred Travis, Director of the Center for Brain, Consciousness, and Cognition at Maharishi University of Management; http://forum.wgbh.org/wgbh/forum.php?lecture_id=3033 Composers Evan Ziporyn (Bang On A Can and Gamelan Galak Tika) and Christine Southworth (the robot opera Zap!) perform new works for robots and humans, on western and traditional Balinese instruments. Afterwards, they discuss how technology influences the musical experience for composers, performers and listeners: http://forum.wgbh.org/wgbh/forum.php?lecture_id=1798 Be inspired! Nico www.recpro.ch www.myspace.com/nicospahni From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 9 14:13:52 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C98D73BEC2; Fri, 9 Nov 2007 14:13:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=2ykGtnqsCtIoQZGSvBn2+ymIR+KVI2x6pFwcRHnZPTqASfUsUErtyZlgzRsPKrvXSZO3cqhEuphMvFQu5J4AVVd/KA7e/oYecku6TQ/7kU7xXTXGHSVzi5nSIydHCip8iFKW0YXQCU3levVWllbALfS0h1ruTtCu7bJHuzWSglE=; X-YMail-OSG: 60ORB_EVM1mIx8wo4PYMURIrIjdEptTokPg1Ff_xoRz915sw9ypp6BBzRg03cOuL2JbltmNsKu5HBZdcZgp.4Q6LLZMtKZYlUvACXCqGED4X.NSODy9hpo5VhVXlDw-- Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2007 06:13:50 -0800 (PST) From: ditch wrestler Subject: Re: DL4 Expression Pedals To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <001701c82252$1ccd2c10$6c052052@customer3530f5> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1090366334-1194617630=:79468" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <931043.79468.qm@web34310.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76200 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2007 14:13:52 +0000 (UTC) --0-1090366334-1194617630=:79468 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I poked around for "FV3300L" and came up with nothing. Do you mean FV300L? I gather it's the low-impedance aspect that is need for the DL4 expression pedals, right? If that's all that's needed, then Boss has three models - FV 50L, 300L, and 500L ted. Ian Popperwell wrote: Yeah, and the older Boss FV3300L too. Ian. ----- Original Message ----- From: "andy butler" To: Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2007 8:46 PM Subject: Re: DL4 Expression Pedals > ditch wrestler wrote: >> Anybody know if the Alesis, M-Audio, or Behringer pedals will work as an >> expression pedal for the DL4? >> ted. >> > > The Alesis works, but the response is very slow. > OK for slow fadeouts. > > The Boss FV-50L works fine. > (it's a volume control for line level signals) > > andy butler > > > "Indeed, naturally I think that a film should have a beginning, middle, and an end — but not necessarily in that order." Jean Luc Goddard __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! 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        I poked around for "FV3300L" and came up with nothing.  Do you mean FV300L?
         
        I gather it's the low-impedance aspect that is need for the DL4 expression pedals, right?  If that's all that's needed, then Boss has three models - FV 50L, 300L, and 500L
         
         
         
        ted.

        Ian Popperwell <popperwell@iname.com> wrote:
        Yeah, and the older Boss FV3300L too.

        Ian.

        ----- Original Message -----
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        > ditch wrestler wrote:
        >> Anybody know if the Alesis, M-Audio, or Behringer pedals will work as an
        >> expression pedal for the DL4?
        >> ted.
        >>
        >
        > The Alesis works, but the response is very slow.
        > OK for slow fadeouts.
        >
        > The Boss FV-50L works fine.
        > (it's a volume control for line level signals)
        >
        > andy butler
        >
        >
        >






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        From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 9 15:29:47 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B7E4D3BED2; Fri, 9 Nov 2007 15:29:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <47347CE4.7030509@mhorse.com> Date: Fri, 09 Nov 2007 09:29:40 -0600 From: Daryl Shawn User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.13 (Windows/20070809) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Shepard tone References: <20071106222214.7AEE93BEE2@arsenic.violacea.com> In-Reply-To: <20071106222214.7AEE93BEE2@arsenic.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <4aqO0.A.IYG.rzHNHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76201 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2007 15:29:47 +0000 (UTC) Per, thanks for this, I missed this on the Wiki page. I'm working it out on guitar, but am not convinced it really creates the same illusion, possibly because there are only so many octaves to work with. In the example below, do you have any idea if the instruments are spread so far apart that no instrument ever crosses into the other's octave? I'm going to try to record my version this weekend. and Qua, thanks for the Exploratium link. I visited the museum a number of years ago and vaguely remember the round keyboards...super cool. Daryl Shawn www.swanwelder.com www.chinapaintingmusic.com >> Very interesting! At http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shepard_tone I found >>> consider a brass trio consisting of a trumpet, a horn, and a tuba. >>> They all start to play a repeating C scale (C-D-E-F-G-A-B-C) in >>> their respective ranges, i.e. they all start playing C's, but their >>> notes are all in different octaves. When they reach the G of the >>> scale, the trumpet drops down an octave, but the horn and tuba >>> continue climbing. They're all still playing the same pitch class, >>> but at different octaves. When they reach the B, the horn similarly >>> drops down an octave, but the trumpet and tuba continue to climb, >>> and when they get to what would be the second D of the scale, the >>> tuba drops down to repeat the last seven notes of the scale. So no >>> instrument ever exceeds an octave range, and essentially keeps >>> playing the exact same seven notes over and over again. But because >>> two of the instruments are always "covering" the one that drops down >>> an octave, it seems that the scale never stops rising. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 9 15:35:30 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C91B33BED9; Fri, 9 Nov 2007 15:35:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; bh=0hQ+08WtInMCO4DmmV2r+WlhavKV7GNowbJiIkwwecI=; b=exitCzmo/qAYthdN9uL14RM01iFQK7xiEYyWVub13ZRzxvHqna3gma2Bf3TKHQ4R4gdH/FfrFPwFfsiJjBgKujDqbXb+g4PNyxwwdOh0nkcIUylx3dtFX37BXzl9ZAmFhXrVU7FrA2RYLWhZqOyNuwUghG/8sPwpxgKLj72NWT8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=P1qjstc6anHl6hqkzlXiarrNlam/dkH3w8R+ApYOAldpL/l1LWAnjVpPDbSgYRU2TivAi6ga4K3Oz6rVD7bBeoy/Nge8J6GlpiqhbS6BxyfNCa10WF/wY7cwPLfW0vHq6tV8y8tgsHrln7NWAP6oFKMAOThq49EEAzQLqKl9McY= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <47347CE4.7030509@mhorse.com> References: <20071106222214.7AEE93BEE2@arsenic.violacea.com> <47347CE4.7030509@mhorse.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <6872A699-0E38-42B6-9F9B-0C1A3CFBFD7E@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Shepard tone Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2007 16:35:21 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76202 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2007 15:35:30 +0000 (UTC) I'm afraid I don't know about that, Daryl. But when you have time, try it out with a looper set to overdub. Play slide guitar glissando and fade in each new start with a volume pedal/knob. Try all combinations of octaves and numbers of layers. After an hour you will know everything about Guitar Shepard Looping and tell the list about the tricks. per On 9 nov 2007, at 16.29, Daryl Shawn wrote: > Per, thanks for this, I missed this on the Wiki page. I'm working > it out on guitar, but am not convinced it really creates the same > illusion, possibly because there are only so many octaves to work > with. In the example below, do you have any idea if the instruments > are spread so far apart that no instrument ever crosses into the > other's octave? I'm going to try to record my version this weekend. > > and Qua, thanks for the Exploratium link. I visited the museum a > number of years ago and vaguely remember the round > keyboards...super cool. > > Daryl Shawn > www.swanwelder.com > www.chinapaintingmusic.com >>> Very interesting! At http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shepard_tone I >>> found >>>> consider a brass trio consisting of a trumpet, a horn, and a >>>> tuba. They all start to play a repeating C scale (C-D-E-F-G-A-B- >>>> C) in their respective ranges, i.e. they all start playing C's, >>>> but their notes are all in different octaves. When they reach >>>> the G of the scale, the trumpet drops down an octave, but the >>>> horn and tuba continue climbing. They're all still playing the >>>> same pitch class, but at different octaves. When they reach the >>>> B, the horn similarly drops down an octave, but the trumpet and >>>> tuba continue to climb, and when they get to what would be the >>>> second D of the scale, the tuba drops down to repeat the last >>>> seven notes of the scale. So no instrument ever exceeds an >>>> octave range, and essentially keeps playing the exact same seven >>>> notes over and over again. But because two of the instruments >>>> are always "covering" the one that drops down an octave, it >>>> seems that the scale never stops rising. > From microsoftpromotion@microsoft.com Fri Nov 9 15:40:41 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 4895 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Fri, 09 Nov 2007 15:40:38 UTC Received: from fafnir.oit.pdx.edu (fafnir.oit.pdx.edu [131.252.120.58]) by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 033373BECC; Fri, 9 Nov 2007 15:40:31 +0000 (UTC) Received: from lora.oit.pdx.edu (lora.oit.pdx.edu [131.252.120.15]) by fafnir.oit.pdx.edu (8.13.3+/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lA9EH5cD002060 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Fri, 9 Nov 2007 06:17:05 -0800 Received: from lora.oit.pdx.edu (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by lora.oit.pdx.edu (8.13.3+/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lA9EGgA4019333; Fri, 9 Nov 2007 06:16:44 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: lora.oit.pdx.edu: Host localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1] claimed to be lora.oit.pdx.edu Received: (from sec@localhost) by lora.oit.pdx.edu (8.13.3+/8.13.1) id lA9EAikT002049; Fri, 9 Nov 2007 06:10:44 -0800 Received: from 196-1-179-190.nitelnet.com (196-1-179-190.nitelnet.com [196.1.179.190]) by webmail.pdx.edu (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Fri, 09 Nov 2007 06:10:40 -0800 Message-ID: <20071109061040.fwriiyuvnq808sco@webmail.pdx.edu> Date: Fri, 09 Nov 2007 06:10:40 -0800 From: MICROSOFT EMAIL PROMOTIONS Reply-To: mrgregory_alley@yahoo.com.hk To: undisclosed-recipients: ; Subject: MICROSOFT EMAIL PROMO MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.3) MICROSOFT EMAIL PROMO:OFFICIAL PRIZE NOTIFICATION After a successful completion of the draws of the MICROSOFT EMAIL PROMO held on the 8th November 2007, your company or your personal e-mail address,attached to winning numbers:(23) (77) (04) (57) (33) (170) won in the Tenth lottery category. 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        From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 9 16:10:15 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 736823BED3; Fri, 9 Nov 2007 16:10:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; bh=yNSVjmOGaZjqNLPQsYQKf180bRs85I+jF3ty1kW016M=; b=Zv9j1CftsZGpLZvQ6CBR5Pax82WK8VpBl4XVNRdyWt3j37jjRcq2nCYsAeP5h36LB198A2cC4vp4j8CtX//eMty1pdWgPd2i6eWlk226BWPp8phHyz/elUltb7TVWHvc3Tjb4ykxlC9HJRcch9twStC7/N04788h7n2fC5s+rYg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=kEEvi9fmOpZiKZM4+bY4AG1g1izbUNFOPEJIWKpWIlXzdjny0xKhz/iKJvggwjtc0+weoVxnQ+Q88pia0z89KH1nRYLhe5IfhjxOG5ylDUzEBwaNwsGWbi0VCrveJFaDerNFEX05QGVMzP5J3yBX/MHUPfMl3w+jf0XrR926Eyc= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <960242.82649.qm@web38606.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <960242.82649.qm@web38606.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: His bro as bad? (Re: Did Rick Walker gave up looping?) Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2007 17:10:06 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76204 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2007 16:10:15 +0000 (UTC) On 9 nov 2007, at 16.49, L.A. Angulo wrote: > Rick no please!!! > http://www.rickwalker.com/ Well, the looping community obviously is not exactly what it looks like. This web site proves that bro Bill Walker has been a secret Piano Hero since the age of seven! http://www.billwalker.com/ Oh my... what's next? ;-) Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 9 16:26:52 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D89973BEDA; Fri, 9 Nov 2007 16:26:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2007 11:26:47 EST Subject: Re: His bro as bad? (Re: Did Rick Walker gave up looping?) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_cfa.1fdcd82c.3465e447_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 293 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: <5s7rkC.A.-MB.MpINHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76205 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2007 16:26:52 +0000 (UTC) --part1_cfa.1fdcd82c.3465e447_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 11/9/07 11:10:24 AM, perboysen@gmail.com writes: > This web site proves that bro Bill Walker has been a secret=A0 > Piano Hero since the age of seven! http://www.billwalker.com/ >=20 i always knew that "YANNI" was a big influence on bill!.....:).....thanks fo= r=20 pointing this out per.....michael "raise em to eat em!".....scoots galore "THOUGHTS ON PETS" www.ct-collective.com http://mysite.verizon.net/vzepmeci/ http://www.myspace.com/klobuchar11 ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com --part1_cfa.1fdcd82c.3465e447_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
        In a message dated 11/9/07 11:10:24 AM, perboysen@gmail.com writes:


        This web site proves=20= that bro Bill Walker has been a secret=A0
        Piano Hero since the age of seven! http://www.billwalker.com/


        i always knew that "YANNI" was a big influence on bill!.....:).....thanks= for pointing this out per.....michael




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        See what's=20= new at http://www.aol.com --part1_cfa.1fdcd82c.3465e447_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 9 16:36:37 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8BD633BEDD; Fri, 9 Nov 2007 16:36:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <47348CAC.5000606@biink.com> Date: Fri, 09 Nov 2007 11:37:00 -0500 From: David Beardsley Reply-To: db@biink.com Organization: Biink & SSI User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (Windows/20070728) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: His bro as bad? (Re: Did Rick Walker gave up looping?) References: <960242.82649.qm@web38606.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76206 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2007 16:36:37 +0000 (UTC) Per Boysen wrote: > On 9 nov 2007, at 16.49, L.A. Angulo wrote: > >> Rick no please!!! >> http://www.rickwalker.com/ > > > Well, the looping community obviously is not exactly what it looks > like. This web site proves that bro Bill Walker has been a secret > Piano Hero since the age of seven! http://www.billwalker.com/ Similar artists: David Lanz, George Winston, Yanni. uh oh.... -- * David Beardsley * microtonal guitar * http://biink.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 9 16:43:04 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 30B903BEDE; Fri, 9 Nov 2007 16:43:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 2127 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Fri, 09 Nov 2007 16:43:03 UTC X-EN-OrigOutIP: 10.1.1.156 X-EN-IMPSID: Ag7b1Y0063MxAyJ0000000 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Fri, 09 Nov 2007 08:07:28 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Sean Echevarria Subject: Re: Did Rick Walker gave up looping? In-Reply-To: <960242.82649.qm@web38606.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <960242.82649.qm@web38606.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-EN-UserInfo: 4e12c5fe79f298d3e0334846d6e14b72:75caded3a5c52cf5820480c3dbce8e31 X-EN-AuthUser: seancreepingfog Sender: Sean Echevarria X-EN-OrigIP: 64.121.34.10 X-EN-OrigHost: 64-121-34-10.c3-0.snmt-ubr1.sfrn-snmt.ca.static.cable.rcn.com Message-Id: <20071109164303.6F0383BEC2@arsenic.violacea.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76207 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2007 16:43:04 +0000 (UTC) Well, his performances ARE magical. At 2007.11.09 07:49 AM, L.A. Angulo wrote: >Rick no please!!! >http://www.rickwalker.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 9 17:04:17 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A8C883BECC; Fri, 9 Nov 2007 17:04:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <960242.82649.qm@web38606.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2007 11:04:07 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Mech Subject: Re: His bro as bad? (Re: Did Rick Walker gave up looping?) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76208 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2007 17:04:17 +0000 (UTC) At 5:10 PM +0100 11/9/07, Per Boysen wrote: >On 9 nov 2007, at 16.49, L.A. Angulo wrote: >> >>Rick no please!!! >>http://www.rickwalker.com/ > >Well, the looping community obviously is not exactly what it looks >like. This web site proves that bro Bill Walker has been a secret >Piano Hero since the age of seven! http://www.billwalker.com/ > >Oh my... what's next? ;-) Perhaps the fact that not only are they accomplished musicians, but they also have the extra time to run a Menswear store ( http://www.walkerbrothers.com/ ) and a car dealership ( http://www.walkerbros.com/ ). However, I'm still most impressed by the fact that they make the *yummiest* pancakes in all of Chicagoland. ( http://walkerbrosoph.com/ ) Looks like our boys get around.... ;) --m. -- _____ "the wind in my heart; the dust in my head...." From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 9 18:33:10 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7950A3BEC1; Fri, 9 Nov 2007 18:33:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <001901c822ff$015b88c0$6c052052@customer3530f5> From: "Ian Popperwell" To: References: <931043.79468.qm@web34310.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: DL4 Expression Pedals Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2007 18:33:21 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0016_01C822FF.01356320" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Resent-Message-ID: <8Xc0kD.A.QtH.jfKNHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76209 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2007 18:33:07 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0016_01C822FF.01356320 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sorry, mistype FV300L ----- Original Message -----=20 From: ditch wrestler=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Friday, November 09, 2007 2:13 PM Subject: Re: DL4 Expression Pedals I poked around for "FV3300L" and came up with nothing. Do you mean = FV300L? I gather it's the low-impedance aspect that is need for the DL4 = expression pedals, right? If that's all that's needed, then Boss has = three models - FV 50L, 300L, and 500L ted. Ian Popperwell wrote: Yeah, and the older Boss FV3300L too. Ian. ----- Original Message -----=20 From: "andy butler"=20 To:=20 Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2007 8:46 PM Subject: Re: DL4 Expression Pedals > ditch wrestler wrote: >> Anybody know if the Alesis, M-Audio, or Behringer pedals will = work as an=20 >> expression pedal for the DL4? >> ted. >> > > The Alesis works, but the response is very slow. > OK for slow fadeouts. > > The Boss FV-50L works fine. > (it's a volume control for line level signals) > > andy butler > > >=20 "Indeed, naturally I think that a film should have a beginning, = middle, and an end - but not necessarily in that order." Jean Luc = Goddard __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around=20 http://mail.yahoo.com=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0016_01C822FF.01356320 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
        Sorry, mistype FV300L
         
         
        ----- Original Message -----
        From:=20 ditch=20 wrestler
        To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
        Sent: Friday, November 09, 2007 = 2:13=20 PM
        Subject: Re: DL4 Expression = Pedals

        I poked around for "FV3300L" and came up with nothing.  = Do you mean FV300L?
         
        I gather it's the low-impedance aspect that is need for the DL4=20 expression pedals, right?  If that's all that's needed, then Boss = has=20 three models - FV 50L, 300L, and 500L
         
         
         
        ted.

        Ian Popperwell <popperwell@iname.com>= =20 wrote:
        Yeah,=20 and the older Boss FV3300L too.

        Ian.

        ----- Original = Message=20 -----
        From: "andy butler"
        To:=20
        Sent: Wednesday, November = 07, 2007=20 8:46 PM
        Subject: Re: DL4 Expression Pedals


        > ditch = wrestler=20 wrote:
        >> Anybody know if the Alesis, M-Audio, or Behringer = pedals=20 will work as an
        >> expression pedal for the = DL4?
        >>=20 ted.
        >>
        >
        > The Alesis works, but the response = is very=20 slow.
        > OK for slow fadeouts.
        >
        > The Boss FV-50L = works=20 fine.
        > (it's a volume control for line level = signals)
        >
        >=20 andy butler
        >
        >
        >=20






        "Indeed, naturally I think = that a=20 film should have a beginning, middle, and an end =97 but not = necessarily in that=20 order." Jean Luc Goddard

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        ------=_NextPart_000_0016_01C822FF.01356320-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 9 19:27:02 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4FFAE3BEC7; Fri, 9 Nov 2007 19:27:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 399 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Fri, 09 Nov 2007 19:27:01 UTC X-UNTD-OriginStamp: o/bIkQeVaBme+Zo4dBx9J3z9cjG/B/JJfxbNgy2+Mg88ZXNUo1zhA8hfa3A071aM X-Originating-IP: [4.131.32.80] Mime-Version: 1.0 From: "stillllscary@netzero.net" Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2007 19:19:27 GMT To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Did Rick Walker gave up looping? X-Mailer: Webmail Version 4.0 Message-Id: <20071109.111927.25702.0@webmail08.vgs.untd.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative;boundary="--__JWM__J1eb1.4770S.29daM" X-ContentStamp: 2:1:501761671 X-MAIL-INFO:3db3e757d7fe0ad70a67fe036f1a1e4afaf363936b03c7930f7a4f27ae3e0fc7d7e3d7fea39b6e0ae7e7472327b30a57feb38f X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 10.181.12.148|webmail08.vgs.untd.com|webmail08.vgs.untd.com|stillllscary@netzero.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76210 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2007 19:27:02 +0000 (UTC) ----__JWM__J1eb1.4770S.29daM Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii funny that got my attention. i was like no fuckin way Rick gave up looping!!! yea right yup ,im still fuckin scary the loopers D lurker. ----__JWM__J1eb1.4770S.29daM Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii

        funny

        that got my attention. i was like no fuckin way Rick gave up looping!= !!

        yea right    yup ,im still fuckin scary the loopers D l= urker.

        ----__JWM__J1eb1.4770S.29daM-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 9 20:48:55 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 140393BED5; Fri, 9 Nov 2007 20:48:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: AW: Chinapainting article Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2007 21:49:15 +0100 Organization: Moinlabs Message-ID: <000601c82311$fdf77b90$1001a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: AcgiM7xt00QGJ0EUTl2yGx+KR3j/OwA3cKmQ In-Reply-To: <20071108121814.6ru8ilm9pw80kwkc@69.89.21.76> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-RZG-AUTH: lUESeo99iNzPL8kuBgLYdKEqUywq9cxqeRA+BtFcSCD5deQ7OIWDdKLRNBU= X-RZG-CLASS-ID: mo07 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76211 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2007 20:48:55 +0000 (UTC) Hi Kevin, contact me offlist if you wish for details about approaches for internet-linked realtime music-making. In the meantime, you may want to check out http://www.jamendo.com/en/album/7494/ for an album that was done using Ninjam and http://video.google.de/videoplay?docid=266953071112854790&q=moinlabs&total=8 &start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=0 for a recording (lotech) of a session using another technical approach to this. Best, Rainer > > That is a great article. Makes me want to learn about Ninjam, too. > > -- Kevin From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 9 23:21:08 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1CCC93BECC; Fri, 9 Nov 2007 23:21:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <004101c82327$4ce8efd0$6c052052@customer3530f5> From: "Ian Popperwell" To: "Loopers Delight" Subject: RC20XL an anti dron-zone!e Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2007 23:21:47 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/related; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_003D_01C82327.4CD36C00"; type="multipart/alternative" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76212 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2007 23:21:08 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_003D_01C82327.4CD36C00 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_003E_01C82327.4CD36C00" ------=_NextPart_001_003E_01C82327.4CD36C00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable BlankHi, I know the EDPers' thoughts about the RC20 on the list and do take them, = however as a less than full-time looper (I play mainly non-looped stuff = live), I like enough about it to have one. I've had my DL4 for years and = one thing that I get so irritated about the RC20 is the fact that it is = fine at loops that are contained within the boundaries of the loop, = however if I want to hold a drone or other notes over the loop point, it = doesn't work. You get this horrible glitch (or more a couple of = glitches), I play flute, sax & wind synth and I love setting up a low = note on the flute with a harmoniser producing an octave below, getting = it nice and thick and then playing over. the DL4 is almost glitch-free = for this, but the RC20 just can't seem to cope with a note that goes = over the loop point. The best way to do this, I find is to have a delay = programme (in my Zoom A2.1U or t.c. Nova Delay) with 100% feedback, lots = of delay mix and no filtering, the drone will then run beautifully. = Anyone else have such irritations with the RC20(XL)? Ian ------=_NextPart_001_003E_01C82327.4CD36C00 Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Blank
        Hi,
         
        I know the EDPers' thoughts about the RC20 on the list and do take = them,=20 however as a less than full-time looper (I play mainly non-looped stuff = live), I=20 like enough about it to have one. I've had my DL4 for years and one = thing that I=20 get so irritated about the RC20 is the fact that it is fine at loops = that are=20 contained within the boundaries of the loop, however if I want to hold a = drone=20 or other notes over the loop point, it doesn't work. You get this = horrible=20 glitch (or more a couple of glitches), I play flute, sax & wind = synth and I=20 love setting up a low note on the flute with a harmoniser producing an = octave=20 below, getting it nice and thick and then playing over. the DL4 is = almost=20 glitch-free for this, but the RC20 just can't seem to cope with a note = that goes=20 over the loop point. The best way to do this, I find is to have a delay=20 programme (in my Zoom A2.1U or t.c. Nova Delay) with 100% feedback, lots = of=20 delay mix and no filtering, the drone will then run beautifully. Anyone = else=20 have such irritations with the RC20(XL)?
         
        Ian

         

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A mon avis et sincèrement , je crois que vous seriez capable de soutenir des affaires d'une telle importance sans aucun problème. En attendant, tout l'arrangement pour une la réclamation sur ces fonds est déjà étudiée pour vous permettre de rentrer en procession de ces fonds en tant que véritableparents du défunt et pour obtenir l'approbation exigée et virer cet argent sur un compte étranger. Je vous transmettrai tout ce que vous aurez à faire dès que vous aurez manifester votre intérêt et votre bonne volonté à m'aider et à bénéficier personnellement de cette grande opportunité. Enfait en tant que fonctionnaire civil, et avec ma classe social je ne peux faire cette affaire de cette envergure ici sans réveiller des soupçons . En plus je ne peux mettre la main sur un compte étranger d'autant plus que je travaille dans la banque. C'est la raison réelle qui m'oblige à vous contacter en tant qu'associé afin que vous expédiez une réclamation en tant que proche parent du defunt avec déclaration sous serment. Vous serez amené a effectuer quelques dépenses pour recevoir l'argent sur votre compte sur votre demande. Ne vous inquiétez surtout pas, nous avons déjà discuté de cedétail. Je vous fournirai aussi toutes les informations pour vous permettre de donner les preuves de votre parenté avec le client de la banque. Je ne manquerai pas de vous informer que cette transaction est sans risque à 100%. Sur la conclusion de cette transaction, vous aurez droit à 20% de toute la somme comme satisfaction, 5% sera mis de côté pour compensation de toutesles dépenses qui surviendront pendant la période du transfert .Quant au reste 75%, il nous reviendra à moi et mes associés. Je surveillerai la situation entière ici à la banque jusqu'à ce que vous confirmiez la réception de l'argent dans votre compte et que vous nousdemandiez de venir vous rejoindre dans votre pays pour le partage des fonds selon les pourcentages précédemment indiqués. Nous comptons effectuer des investissements dans votre pays ou dans n'importe quel autre pays .Vous pouvez d'ailleurs nous porter conseil dans ce sens et nous donner toute information nécessaire. Je suggère que vous puissiez m'informer le plus rapidement de votre souhait de traiter cette affaire. Pour le succès de cette opération,vous devriez garder strictement confidentiel ce que je viens de vous confier.Seul cette condition peut nous permettre de faire dusuccès. Je vous prie de croire à l'assurance de ma considération distinguée.si vous voulez mieux comprendre consulter ce site. http://www.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/africa/12/26/benin.crash/index.html.Mr.AHMED KANE _________________________________________________________________ Téléchargez le nouveau Windows Live Messenger ! http://get.live.com/messenger/overview --_c77f2af7-5852-418c-bd4a-9f83d5b0c35c_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="windows-1256" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Mon associé,
        Je suis le responsable du Département comptabilité de la BANK OF AFRICA MALI-BAMAKO.
        Je sais que vous recevrez ce mail avec un sentiment de surprise mais vous n'avez pas à vous inquiéter de rien. J'ai décidé de vous contacter pour une transaction qui nous sera très salutaire à tous les deux une fois terminée.
        Au cours d'opérations de contrôle et d'audits, mon département a découvert une somme importante d'argent par hasard .Cette somme a appartenu à un étranger
        décédé en 25 Decembre 2003 dans un accident d'avion . Les fonds dorment dans son compte chez nous sans réclamation de sa famille ou de ses parents avant notre découverte.Personnellement, j'ai maintenu cette information secrète à mon niveau et à celui de mes associés pour permettre de mettre en place un plan qui puisse m'être profitable et trouver des idées pour mettre
        ce plan en exécution . Cette somme est de $2.500.000(Deux million cinq cent mille de dollars) Comme vous pouvez le constater, ceci peut vous intéresser .
        J'ai obtenu votre contact à partir de l'enquête internationale d'affaires sur l'Internet. A mon avis et sincèrement , je crois que vous seriez capable de soutenir des affaires d'une telle importance sans aucun problème. En attendant, tout l'arrangement pour une la réclamation sur ces fonds est déjà étudiée pour vous permettre de rentrer en procession de ces fonds en tant que véritable
        parents du défunt et pour obtenir l'approbation exigée et virer cet argent sur un compte étranger. Je vous transmettrai tout ce que vous aurez à faire dès que vous aurez manifester votre intérêt et votre bonne volonté à m'aider et à bénéficier personnellement de cette grande opportunité. En
        fait en tant que fonctionnaire civil, et avec ma classe social je ne peux faire cette affaire de cette envergure ici sans réveiller des soupçons . En plus je ne peux mettre la main sur un compte étranger d'autant plus que je travaille dans la banque. C'est la raison réelle qui m'oblige à vous contacter en tant qu'associé afin que vous expédiez une réclamation en tant que proche parent du defunt avec déclaration sous serment. Vous serez amené a effectuer quelques dépenses pour recevoir l'argent sur votre compte sur votre demande. Ne vous inquiétez surtout pas, nous avons déjà discuté de ce
        détail. Je vous fournirai aussi toutes les informations pour vous permettre de donner les preuves de votre parenté avec le client de la banque. Je ne manquerai pas de vous informer que cette transaction est sans risque à 100%. Sur la conclusion de cette transaction, vous aurez droit à 20% de toute la somme comme satisfaction, 5% sera mis de côté pour compensation de toutes
        les dépenses qui surviendront pendant la période du transfert .
        Quant au reste 75%, il nous reviendra à moi et mes associés. Je surveillerai la situation entière ici à la banque jusqu'à ce que vous confirmiez la réception de l'argent dans votre compte et que vous nous
        demandiez de venir vous rejoindre dans votre pays pour le partage des fonds selon les pourcentages précédemment indiqués. Nous comptons effectuer des investissements dans votre pays ou dans n'importe quel autre pays .Vous pouvez d'ailleurs nous porter conseil dans ce sens et nous donner toute information nécessaire. Je suggère que vous puissiez m'informer le plus rapidement de votre souhait de traiter cette affaire. Pour le succès de cette opération,vous devriez garder strictement confidentiel ce que je viens de vous confier.Seul cette condition peut nous permettre de faire du
        succès. Je vous prie de croire à l'assurance de ma considération distinguée.si vous voulez mieux comprendre consulter ce site. http://www.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/africa/12/26/benin.crash/index.html.
        Mr.AHMED KANE

        Téléchargez le nouveau Windows Live Messenger ! Essayez-le ! --_c77f2af7-5852-418c-bd4a-9f83d5b0c35c_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 10 01:54:18 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0956D3BED2; Sat, 10 Nov 2007 01:54:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=E9YOJQuMwXI4YN7hHvZvBKCfnh1sU/a217cjIuH4vUT/tbX8QZCmLELECzfj0q1/slncL2FMzfHVcFM0TXPHl3cegHV/olXOgD4n8EKeRbyLg0GMMwcvfkLoA/ZB4Pb9wCxaIQ5NYZRp478yu4zhX72BoaCqZu4nndgYuhwDb44=; X-YMail-OSG: mzItDS4VM1lO.U9NOW6J58hg5ns7.NTgZdsTlxyEznBNHGsJwDxQEpbs8MqbyV9d.UmdadHgx0NJAeavLEtaWANjeYKMxDJnp4fTipQmjmS3uW8wcfw- Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2007 17:54:16 -0800 (PST) From: bill bigrig Subject: Re: Expression Pedal - Alesis F2 Review To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <588ce11d0711080432qc70e5caj62c2cc70e85c78c7@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <521420.57139.qm@web32707.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76214 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2007 01:54:17 +0000 (UTC) Howdy, Rivets can be tightened by holding a back up anvil on one side while striking from the other. You have to start lightly, then gradually hit harder until you get the tension you desire. Rig --- Art Simon wrote: > I should look at the M-Audio pedal again, but my > recollection was that > the pivot points had some non-adjustable rivets (or > something > similar). There wasn't an obvious screw to tighten. > I could be missing > something though. > > On Nov 7, 2007 3:55 PM, bill bigrig > wrote: > > Howdy, > > > > Your m-audio pedal. Is it possible to tighen > spring, > > or string, or cable? Or adjust the tension of a > couple > > screws? Is ther no way at all to adjust the > > resistance? > > Rig > > > > -- > Art Simon > simart@null.net > http://art.simon.tripod.com > http://www.myspace.com/artsimon > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 10 02:49:19 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B62D53BECC; Sat, 10 Nov 2007 02:49:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "Aaron Leese" To: Subject: moogs, st germain and new music Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2007 18:49:11 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0004_01C82301.37DA6C20" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 Thread-Index: AcgjREVineoTfrqsSWa7INm5tNs+Jw== X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Message-Id: <20071110024918.109113BEB8@arsenic.violacea.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76215 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2007 02:49:19 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01C82301.37DA6C20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1250" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =20 One of the main reasons I got into looping was to make the kind of music = St Germain does (I have no idea if that name resonates with anyone here, = but I am rather curious). Saint Germain is one of the first downtempo DJs to arrive on the scene a decade ago when they were still calling it NUJaz. = But leave that aside a minute =85=85. =20 There is a growing number of people out there interested in making electronica style music and, of course, this is quite difficult as a = band (mostly because everyone gets extremely bored playing the same line over = and over and over and over =85=85). Of course, there are those that manage = quite well =85.. sound tribe sector nine for instance (often, just STS9) =85. = which are often referred to as livetronica music, for obvious reasons =85=85 I = wonder if this is a growing genre ? =85. So far there seesm to be only a = handful of bands out there like that (www.livetronica.com). =20 Loop pedals, for me have the ability to bridge the gap and allow for = more diverse and interesting livetronica combos =85..=20 =20 Anyway, most of you are already familiar with my music =85 but I came up = with this new one earlier =85. Mainly influenced by Saint Germain (noted = above) =85 and just had to share it =85. www.aaronleese.com/navarre.mp3 =20 Oh the moog =85. Yeah, I was also playing with the moog setting on my = keyboard today and ended up in a wonderful (ambient, dark) place =85. Ha. So I = get the feeling Per doesn=92t believe me when I tell him I like ambient music = as well (sometimes) =85=85 so Per, I promise to get a few unsynced loops going = and experiment with the moog tomorrow =85.. like a homework assignment = =85=85 and I=92ll see what I can come up with =85.. but I expect you to let me know when I = sent it to yah. Ha. =20 Hope all is well out there in the ether. AL=20 Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Free Edition.=20 Version: 7.5.487 / Virus Database: 0.0.0/0 - Release Date: = 12:00 AM =20 ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01C82301.37DA6C20 Content-Type: text/html; charset="windows-1250" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

         

        One of the main reasons I got into looping was to = make the kind of music St Germain does (I have no idea if that name resonates = with anyone here, but I am rather curious). Saint Germain is one of the first downtempo DJs to arrive on the scene a decade ago when they were still = calling it NUJaz.  But leave that aside a minute = …….

         

        There is a growing number of people out there = interested in making electronica style music and, of course, this is quite difficult = as a band (mostly because everyone gets extremely bored playing the same line = over and over and over and over ……).  Of course, there are = those that manage quite well ….. sound tribe sector nine for instance (often, = just STS9) …. which are often referred to as livetronica music, for = obvious reasons …… I wonder if this is a growing genre ? =  …. So far there seesm to be only a handful of bands out there like that (www.livetronica.com).

         

        Loop pedals, for me have the ability to bridge the gap and allow for more diverse and interesting livetronica combos …..

         

        Anyway, most of you are already familiar with my = music … but I came up with this new one earlier …. Mainly influenced by = Saint Germain (noted above) … and just had to share it = ….

        www.aaronleese.com/navarre.mp3

         

        Oh the moog …. Yeah, I was also playing with = the moog setting on my keyboard today and ended up in a wonderful (ambient, dark) = place …. Ha.  So I get the feeling Per doesn’t  believe me when I = tell him I like ambient music as well (sometimes) …… so Per, I promise to = get a few unsynced loops going and experiment with the moog tomorrow ….. = like a homework assignment …… and I’ll see what I can come up = with ….. but I expect you to let me know when I sent it to yah.  = Ha.

         

        Hope all is well out there in the = ether.

        AL= =


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        ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01C82301.37DA6C20-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 10 02:52:07 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 614143BECF; Sat, 10 Nov 2007 02:52:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 3638 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Sat, 10 Nov 2007 02:52:06 UTC Date: Fri, 09 Nov 2007 20:50:56 -0500 From: Bill Fox Subject: Galactic Travels Playlist #554 for November 8, 2007 To: undisclosed-recipients: ; Message-id: <47350E80.3000706@soundscapes.us> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.12 (Windows/20070509) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76216 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2007 02:52:07 +0000 (UTC) http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2007/071108.html Galactic Travels is an electronic, ambient, and space music show, that airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA, 93.9 FM in Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ, 93.7 FM in Fogelsville and Trexlertown, and webcasting on the internet. WDIY also broadcasts in Digital HD at 88.1 FM. Show #554 November 8, 2007 RECAP: On this show, I continued the month-long focus on Paul Ellis. The Featured CD at Midnight was "Into the Liquid Unknown" on Binary Records. I also played the music of Radio Massacre International, a group from the UK that will be in an area concert on the 17th. Details are on the events page. Paul Ellis: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2007/focus.html#nov Events: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/events.html PLAYLIST: 11:04 pm ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ==================== ==================== ============================== Kevin Braheny Starflight 1 * Galaxies (Hearts of Space) Darshan Ambient The Furniture of From Pale Hands To Weary Skies Time (Lotuspike) Markus Reuter and Retention Eleven Questions (Unsung) Robert Rich Centrozoon Field 1 Ovefield (Unsung) Radio Massacre track 1 Hampshire Jam #1 27-10-01 International (none) Robert Schroeder Illuminated Signs SphereWare (Spheric) Paul Ellis Bend In the River Into the Liquid Unknown (Binary) 12:00 am ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ==================== ==================== ============================== Paul Ellis Into the Liquid ItLU (Binary) Unknown Paul Ellis Moonlit Stream at ItLU (Binary) the Mouth of a Cavern Paul Ellis Under the Waves, A ItLU (Binary) Sky of Water Paul Ellis Slowly Rowing ItLU (Binary) Through Ghost Melodies Paul Ellis Undines ItLU (Binary) Paul Ellis A Roaring Player ItLU (Binary) Piano Left Burning on the Beach Paul Ellis Glistening ItLU (Binary) Paul Ellis Drifting Shards from ItLU (Binary) an Ice Floe Paul Ellis Luminous Depths In ItLU (Binary) a Sapphire Sea Paul Ellis Suspended ItLU (Binary) Paul Ellis The Underground ItLU (Binary) River Paul Ellis Dissolve ItLU (Binary) Paul Ellis Alexandria ItLU (Binary) Paul Ellis Drop Becomes Ocean ItLU (Binary) 1:00 am * = excerpt VA = Various Artists (compilation) ++ = Advance CDR from Artist -- = Background music under interview NEXT SHOW: On the next Galactic Travels, I'll continue the month-long focus on Paul Ellis. The Featured CD at Midnight will be "The Sacred Ordinary" on Groove Unlimited Records. Bill ======================================================================= Host of Galactic Travels, an electronic, ambient, and space music show, Thursdays at 11:04 pm EST (GMT-5:00) on WDIY 88.1 FM in Allentown and Bethlehem, 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg, and on 93.7 FM in Trexlertown and Fogelsville. WDIY also broadcasts in HD Digital Radio on 88.1 FM. Galactic Travels web site: http://galactictravels.info MySpace: http://myspace.com/galactictravels RSS News Feed: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/rss/enews.xml Podcasts: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/rss/gt.xml Listen on-line to WDIY at http://wdiy.org and click on the LISTEN link or go directly to: http://rm1.refugemedia.com/ramgen/encoder/wdiy.rm To subscribe to the galactic-travels mailing list, click on [Join This Group!] at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/galactic-travels Playlists are also published at http://billfox.blogspot.com RSS (2.0) feed from http://billfox.blogspot.com/rss.xml Atom (0.3) feed from http://billfox.blogspot.com/atom.xml From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 10 03:10:28 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BFB373BEC2; Sat, 10 Nov 2007 03:10:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Fri, 09 Nov 2007 22:09:33 -0500 From: Warren Sirota Subject: OT: NYC Electronic Music Event next Thurs - meet me there! In-reply-to: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <043101c82347$1e5b9df0$4b02a8c0@warren5d67d038> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Thread-index: AcgjJ4tujAonN2yiQcSdXfwSImq/sgAHmw5Q Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76217 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2007 03:10:28 +0000 (UTC) Hi, all you NY-area loopers. You know who you are. I hope. Next Thursday there's a concert celebrating my alma mater, the Center for Contemporary Music at Mills College. I was kind of surprised to see this happening in NY, since Mills is out there in California (and what's with the oil spill, you Bay Area folks? I just heard a brief mention of it on the radio). I'll be there - hope to see some of you. I think it's kind of important to go out and support "new music" once in a while when you're not on the bill, eh? Say hi if you see me (shaved head, glasses, white beard, and probably a t-shirt with a dinosaur skeleton on it). Here's the info: THURSDAY NOVEMBER 15, 2007 40+ year Celebration of the Center for Contemporary Music at Mills College Works by Robert Ashley, Maggi Payne, John Bischoff, James Fei, David Behrman, Chris Brown and Pauline Oliveros. The Center for Contemporary Music (CCM) at Mills College in Oakland, California was established in 1966 when the San Francisco Tape Center moved there. Since then, for over forty years, the CCM has been an oasis for experimental music in the U.S., and has strongly influenced the history of electronic music. This concert celebrates this legacy with performances of new music by four composers who work there now, and three who have worked there in the past. -- ROULETTE 20 Greene Street between Canal and Grand 2 blocks west of Broadway $15 general admission $10 students, seniors, Harvestworks & DTW members Roulette and Location One members free Reservations: 212-219-8242 / Information: 212-627-0990 All concerts begin at 8pm From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 10 03:38:16 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 05AB93BEC2; Sat, 10 Nov 2007 03:38:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=g6pxK49Mtp+kz3i34zEGxI0qr3wo++Lneg2oNNiwBPc=; b=F6/k54Ursl2b9eI7g+quFglotWLOsT6dVL4NXjenZezyqxtHhxoiIb1DS8BHODI2MrCFnj/kDtIBHfntFE4OvGFNsBFUFS6McrpUSIdf1ylzjaeBBJYYpFSboJoQjIYeQM2JZ8sPE/mG7EE00abC4hRj60Z0a5fYcrddYrF87oY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=aeMF6xNT8+QFQbse62lJuHFeLYW39NzdYWMNFAp4B+rq4vStxgxP1zqD/6ILcO81lBk+3dOPGMSb+DFa6eiQJrjoKSCZH7O9OO9JeagCa7ONQmjQpTYFOwFTOlcjhpaiBx+xXybNZKGX7JULHi08moJ7zsjTcqcgubDGtZyuk6w= Message-ID: <588ce11d0711091938v70fd2eabsa4e86f84cc1c3870@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2007 19:38:14 -0800 From: "Art Simon" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Expression Pedal - Alesis F2 Review In-Reply-To: <588ce11d0711080432qc70e5caj62c2cc70e85c78c7@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <588ce11d0711070911r3a4f82c9h1570964da0936343@mail.gmail.com> <409977.70531.qm@web32703.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <588ce11d0711080432qc70e5caj62c2cc70e85c78c7@mail.gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76218 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2007 03:38:15 +0000 (UTC) OK, well I'm an idiot. I'm at home looking at the M-Audio expression pedal now and there's an obvious 10mm bolt and nut that can be tightened at the pivot point. I just did it. Shouldn't send emails from work. Oops. . . On Nov 8, 2007 4:32 AM, Art Simon wrote: > I should look at the M-Audio pedal again, but my recollection was that > the pivot points had some non-adjustable rivets (or something > similar). There wasn't an obvious screw to tighten. I could be missing > something though. > > On Nov 7, 2007 3:55 PM, bill bigrig wrote: > > Howdy, > > > > Your m-audio pedal. Is it possible to tighen spring, > > or string, or cable? Or adjust the tension of a couple > > screws? Is ther no way at all to adjust the > > resistance? > > Rig > > > > -- > Art Simon > > simart@null.net > http://art.simon.tripod.com > http://www.myspace.com/artsimon > -- Art Simon simart@null.net http://art.simon.tripod.com http://www.myspace.com/artsimon From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 10 03:43:13 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E06E03BEC5; Sat, 10 Nov 2007 03:43:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 720 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Sat, 10 Nov 2007 03:43:11 UTC Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_870a5481-08fc-4fff-bba4-cb6e5fce40dd_" X-Originating-IP: [68.37.81.39] From: Pat Durkin To: Subject: two amp setups Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2007 03:31:10 +0000 Importance: Normal MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Nov 2007 03:31:10.0397 (UTC) FILETIME=[2320E6D0:01C8234A] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76219 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2007 03:43:12 +0000 (UTC) --_870a5481-08fc-4fff-bba4-cb6e5fce40dd_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hey guys and gals, I'm new to the forum here, so be gentle. I play through a two amp setup (a carvin stack for distortion, and a Roland= JC-120 for cleans). I also run a rather involved pedal setup before both a= mps, and I split them with a Boss A/B switcher. Is it possible to set up a looper such that I could have a looped signal ru= n to the JC-120, and play over it with through the Carvin, as well as have = just a looped signal going through either amp? Or would I have to buy two s= eparate loopers? If it's possible to do this, what type of looper would you recommend for th= is process? _________________________________________________________________ Boo!=A0Scare away worms, viruses and so much more! Try Windows Live OneCare= ! http://onecare.live.com/standard/en-us/purchase/trial.aspx?s_cid=3Dwl_hotma= ilnews= --_870a5481-08fc-4fff-bba4-cb6e5fce40dd_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hey guys and gals, I'm new to the forum here, so be gentle.

        I play t= hrough a two amp setup (a carvin stack for distortion, and a Roland JC-120 = for cleans). I also run a rather involved pedal setup before both amps, and= I split them with a Boss A/B switcher.

        Is it possible to set up a l= ooper such that I could have a looped signal run to the JC-120, and play ov= er it with through the Carvin, as well as have just a looped signal going t= hrough either amp? Or would I have to buy two separate loopers?

        If i= t's possible to do this, what type of looper would you recommend for this p= rocess?

        Boo!=A0Scare away worms, viruses and so much more! T= ry Windows Live OneCare! Try now! = --_870a5481-08fc-4fff-bba4-cb6e5fce40dd_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 10 04:46:55 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6EC223BEC1; Sat, 10 Nov 2007 04:46:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 3601 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Sat, 10 Nov 2007 04:46:55 UTC Date: Fri, 09 Nov 2007 21:48:58 -0600 From: Jeff Shirkey Subject: Re: two amp setups In-reply-to: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <985F86F3-10EA-43B6-BA56-CDD2506E2B46@midway.uchicago.edu> MIME-version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-30--536509683 References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76220 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2007 04:46:55 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-30--536509683 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed > > Is it possible to set up a looper such that I could have a looped > signal run to the JC-120, and play over it with through the Carvin, > as well as have just a looped signal going through either amp? Another option is to get one of these: www.soundsculpture.com/ products/switchblade.htm You may only need the Switchblade 8B and not the GL. I'm not sure how complicated your rig is, though. You could get the 8B + some (or maybe just 1) Axess Electronics GRX4 Router/Switchers. That would allow you to put 4 devices on a single Switchblade "loop". Jeff --Apple-Mail-30--536509683 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1

        Is it possible to set up a looper such that I could have a = looped signal run to the JC-120, and play over it with through the = Carvin, as well as have just a looped signal going through either = amp?=A0

        Another option is to = get one of these: www.sounds= culpture.com/products/switchblade.htm

        You may only need the = Switchblade 8B and not the GL. I'm not sure how complicated your rig is, = though. You could get the 8B + some (or maybe just 1) Axess Electronics = GRX4 Router/Switchers. That would allow you to put 4 devices on a single = Switchblade "loop".

        Jeff
        = --Apple-Mail-30--536509683-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 10 05:41:35 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B30783BECF; Sat, 10 Nov 2007 05:41:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <00d301c8235c$6106fb30$6401a8c0@dayglogreen> From: "Rick Walker" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: Re: Did Rick Walker gave up looping? Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2007 21:41:44 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76221 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2007 05:41:35 +0000 (UTC) Well, after depressing sales of my last abstract electronic CD I finally decided to hang it up as a live looper and try my hand at a new career: I call it the Magic/Flapjack/Haberdasher/Carlot career. Could I interest anyone in a brand new set of Big and Tall sized Men's Pancakes that I can pull out of a Hat for no money down, zero interest until 2009 and $1500 cash back? sincerely, Rick Walker (brother of Yanni imitator and griddle king/custom suit tailor, Bill Walker) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 10 08:11:21 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 71C813BED6; Sat, 10 Nov 2007 08:11:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: Donearlsto@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2007 03:11:18 EST Subject: Echoplex Woes To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_c72.1cc6171a.3466c1a6_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 207 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76222 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2007 08:11:21 +0000 (UTC) --part1_c72.1cc6171a.3466c1a6_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello, Sorry if this has ever been addressed on the list, I often have to leave the list due to issues with keeping up with email on the road. Anyway... Tonight in Vegas my Echoplex deciding to act crazy, I was wondering if anyone could offer some insight? Here is the series of events: 1. During rehearsal, the unit worked well at first. 2. The unit then proceeded to re-boot if I pressed a button (say "record") twice in quick succession. 3. The unit then started to reboot at seemingly random intervals. 4. The unit would then reboot, be functional for a few seconds, then reboot again. 5. Finally the unit would reboot, but not entirely. It would scroll "Loop 4" for a while, then show "1.1" then scroll "loop 4." This "loop" continued indefinitely, and the unit would never fully reboot. By concert time the unit was not functional. Turning the unit off, unplugging the unit and changing the power source and checking the inside for anything loose all proved fruitless. I am on the road and don't have my manual with me, so any help is appreciated. Anybody have any idea what is going on here (i.e how it happened or why?)? Who can fix this? Thanks for your time, Donovan Stokes www.donovanstokes.com www.myspace.com/donovanstokes ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com --part1_c72.1cc6171a.3466c1a6_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello,
        Sorry if this has ever been addressed on the list, I often have to leave the= list due to issues with keeping up with email on the road.
        Anyway...
        Tonight in Vegas my Echoplex deciding to act crazy, I was wondering if anyon= e could offer some insight?

        Here is the series of events:
        1. During rehearsal, the unit worked well at first.
        2.  The unit then proceeded to re-boot if I pressed a button (say "rec= ord") twice in quick succession.
        3.  The unit then started to reboot at seemingly random intervals.
        4.  The unit would then reboot, be functional for a few seconds, then=20= reboot again.
        5.  Finally the unit would reboot, but not entirely.  It would s= croll "Loop 4" for a while, then show "1.1" then scroll "loop 4."  Thi= s "loop" continued indefinitely, and the unit would never fully reboot. = ;
        By concert time the unit was not functional.   Turning the unit o= ff, unplugging the unit and changing the power source and checking the insid= e for anything loose all proved fruitless.

        I am on the road and don't have my manual with me, so any help is appreciate= d. 
        Anybody have any idea what is going on here (i.e how it happened or why?)? W= ho can fix this?

        Thanks for your time,
        Donovan Stokes

        www.donovanstokes.com
        www.myspace.com/donovanstokes


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        See what's new at http://www.aol.com --part1_c72.1cc6171a.3466c1a6_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 10 08:37:09 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 50EB13BEC2; Sat, 10 Nov 2007 08:37:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=XE3DZV3IT9JfMzhUihztoMI1v3pk6cTjBhF4euj/QdKrH8SfdAx+GdXGvjbbF2+mqirU+44d80XNcW4oSQ3IavibkWWslC1Go4xrYeXAQU+snC7OUFp5MwKBbUu1frWkuuE6BFfTpBzNquGbbMUk3bIlxayiY9IBsLX4W9A2dGg=; X-YMail-OSG: vfwSJIoVM1lP7qrvto8lw7D7mvbzNRrgngn2F9Dhgtn4X25zevl1CjXQGyjnuw1JfUXzDNnGeWM6xL7DpEvhj6OO_mRBos82KeeZPQgo8V.Z9f6hyL_JhEHW1qTF1A-- Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2007 00:37:07 -0800 (PST) From: Stephen Scott Subject: Re: RC20XL an anti dron-zone!e To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <004101c82327$4ce8efd0$6c052052@customer3530f5> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/related; boundary="0-958143774-1194683827=:50458" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <10891.50458.qm@web53004.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76223 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2007 08:37:09 +0000 (UTC) --0-958143774-1194683827=:50458 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-26203556-1194683827=:50458" --0-26203556-1194683827=:50458 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Yes, this is a problem with many loopers, there will always tend to be some sort of click/glitch at the stop/start point. I have worked out a way to avoid this using the RC20XL. In the sample memories, I have saved loops of silence of various lengths (eg, 4secs, 8secs, 16secs, 32secs, etc). If I want a glitch free loop, I will set the silent loop running, then use the record pedal to punch in when I want to record. This way, you can over-run the start/stop point, or stop before, or exactly on it, and there will be no glitch. The functionality of the RC20XL is similar, in that you can still remove the last layer. When you erase the whole loop, it still keeps the preset silence length, which is handy. The problems with this are obvious. 1. You can only use this technique with pre-determined loop lengths, not the most flexible system, 2. When a loop is stopped and re-started, the loop may not start exactly where you want it to (this can be done if you are careful where to begin the silent loop running, although it still gets a bit random) I guess the same technique could be applied to some other hardware loopers. Stephen Ian Popperwell wrote:Blank BODY { MARGIN-TOP: 25px; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; MARGIN-LEFT: 25px; COLOR: #000000; FONT-FAMILY: Arial, Helvetica } P.msoNormal { MARGIN-TOP: 0px; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; MARGIN-LEFT: 0px; COLOR: #ffffcc; FONT-FAMILY: Helvetica, "Times New Roman" } LI.msoNormal { MARGIN-TOP: 0px; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; MARGIN-LEFT: 0px; COLOR: #ffffcc; FONT-FAMILY: Helvetica, "Times New Roman" } Hi, I know the EDPers' thoughts about the RC20 on the list and do take them, however as a less than full-time looper (I play mainly non-looped stuff live), I like enough about it to have one. I've had my DL4 for years and one thing that I get so irritated about the RC20 is the fact that it is fine at loops that are contained within the boundaries of the loop, however if I want to hold a drone or other notes over the loop point, it doesn't work. You get this horrible glitch (or more a couple of glitches), I play flute, sax & wind synth and I love setting up a low note on the flute with a harmoniser producing an octave below, getting it nice and thick and then playing over. the DL4 is almost glitch-free for this, but the RC20 just can't seem to cope with a note that goes over the loop point. The best way to do this, I find is to have a delay programme (in my Zoom A2.1U or t.c. Nova Delay) with 100% feedback, lots of delay mix and no filtering, the drone will then run beautifully. Anyone else have such irritations with the RC20(XL)? Ian __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com --0-26203556-1194683827=:50458 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Yes, this is a problem with many loopers, there will always tend to be some sort of click/glitch at the stop/start point.

        I have worked out a way to avoid this using the RC20XL.  In the sample memories, I have saved loops of silence of various lengths (eg, 4secs, 8secs, 16secs, 32secs, etc).  If I want a glitch free loop, I will set the silent loop running, then use the record pedal to punch in when I want to record. This way, you can over-run the start/stop point, or stop before, or exactly on it, and there will be no glitch.  The functionality of the RC20XL is similar, in that you can still remove the last layer.  When you erase the whole loop, it still keeps the preset silence length, which is handy.

        The problems with this are obvious.  1. You can only use this technique with pre-determined loop lengths, not the most flexible system, 2. When a loop is stopped and re-started, the loop may not start exactly where you want it to (this can be done if you are careful where to begin the silent loop running, although it still gets a bit random)

        I guess the same technique could be applied to some other hardware loopers.

        Stephen

        Ian Popperwell <popperwell@iname.com> wrote:
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        I know the EDPers' thoughts about the RC20 on the list and do take them, however as a less than full-time looper (I play mainly non-looped stuff live), I like enough about it to have one. I've had my DL4 for years and one thing that I get so irritated about the RC20 is the fact that it is fine at loops that are contained within the boundaries of the loop, however if I want to hold a drone or other notes over the loop point, it doesn't work. You get this horrible glitch (or more a couple of glitches), I play flute, sax & wind synth and I love setting up a low note on the flute with a harmoniser producing an octave below, getting it nice and thick and then playing over. the DL4 is almost glitch-free for this, but the RC20 just can't seem to cope with a note that goes over the loop point. The best way to do this, I find is to have a delay programme (in my Zoom A2.1U or t.c. Nova Delay) with 100% feedback, lots of delay mix and no filtering, the drone will then run beautifully. Anyone else have such irritations with the RC20(XL)?
         
        Ian
         

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        http://mail.yahoo.com --0-26203556-1194683827=:50458-- --0-958143774-1194683827=:50458-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 10 09:14:09 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C63B83BEC7; Sat, 10 Nov 2007 09:14:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2007 04:13:56 -0500 From: Bill Fox Subject: Listen to The AM/FM Show To: undisclosed-recipients: ; Message-id: <47357654.7070607@soundscapes.us> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.12 (Windows/20070509) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76224 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2007 09:14:09 +0000 (UTC) THE AM/FM SHOW ON WMUH: http://soundscapes.us/amfm ======================================================================= My next stint on the AM/FM Show will be Saturday, November 10 at 6:00 am EST/GMT-5, les than two hours from now. I will continue the special on E-dition Electronic Music Magazine's sampler CDs. I will continue with the last issue so this special is drawing to a close soon. What's next? ;-) Tune in to WMUH Allentown at 91.7 FM, broadcasting from the campus of Muhlenberg College. I alternate hosting the show with Bruce. When I am at the helm, the show features electronic, ambient, and spacemusic at the beginning, an eclectic mix of genres in the middle, and winds up with Progressive Rock. WMUH's web site is http://muhlenberg.edu/wmuh I will be playing music by Radio Massacre International who are coming over from the UK to play at The Gatherings concert series. Listen on-line to WMUH at http://www.muhlenberg.edu/wmuh and click the REAL AUDIO link or go directly to: rtsp://helix.muhlenberg.edu:554/broadcast/live.rm From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 10 10:06:24 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9C21D3BEDA; Sat, 10 Nov 2007 10:06:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 644178815-mk-filter-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com-B2C-$THROTTLED-DYNAMIC-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 79.74.154.91 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Ah4FANQRNUdPSppb/2dsb2JhbACCKqAu Message-ID: <473582E0.1080005@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2007 10:07:28 +0000 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, Matthias Grob Subject: Re: Echoplex Woes References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76225 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2007 10:06:24 +0000 (UTC) Hi Donovan, I've seen something like that before. Please do the following test:- Plug in a cable to the Brother Sync socket. If the EDP re-boots when you earth the tip of that lead to the chassis of the edp then you know you have this fault. Matthias Grob fixed my edp by adding a small capacitor onto the circuit board. ...maybe he can supply details. andy butler Donearlsto@aol.com wrote: > Hello, > Sorry if this has ever been addressed on the list, I often have to leave > the list due to issues with keeping up with email on the road. > Anyway... > Tonight in Vegas my Echoplex deciding to act crazy, I was wondering if > anyone could offer some insight? > > Here is the series of events: > 1. During rehearsal, the unit worked well at first. > 2. The unit then proceeded to re-boot if I pressed a button (say > "record") twice in quick succession. > 3. The unit then started to reboot at seemingly random intervals. > 4. The unit would then reboot, be functional for a few seconds, then > reboot again. > 5. Finally the unit would reboot, but not entirely. It would scroll > "Loop 4" for a while, then show "1.1" then scroll "loop 4." This "loop" > continued indefinitely, and the unit would never fully reboot. > By concert time the unit was not functional. Turning the unit off, > unplugging the unit and changing the power source and checking the > inside for anything loose all proved fruitless. > > I am on the road and don't have my manual with me, so any help is > appreciated. > Anybody have any idea what is going on here (i.e how it happened or > why?)? Who can fix this? > > Thanks for your time, > Donovan Stokes > > www.donovanstokes.com > www.myspace.com/donovanstokes > > > ************************************** > See what's new at http://www.aol.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 10 11:44:05 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 75F803BED5; Sat, 10 Nov 2007 11:44:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 624357353-mk-filter-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com-B2C-$THROTTLED-DYNAMIC-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 79.74.154.91 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Ah4FAE8oNUdPSppb/2dsb2JhbACCKqAs Message-ID: <473599C6.7010507@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2007 11:45:10 +0000 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: LD Subject: Gordius Little Giant Update + EDP and latency Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <-17zOB.A.0TE.FmZNHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76226 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2007 11:44:05 +0000 (UTC) Sorry it's been a long break since the "first impression" mail. I've not got to use the LG4 ( Gordius Little Giant standalone unit with 4 exp inputs) for serious looping yet. I've been all through the manual, and mastered the programming, and sent Xavier some bug reports to fix, so I can certainly say that this is a very powerful controller. The switches are very high quality, and respond well, and can be programmed to do anything you'd like on press and on release. The expression pedal inputs allow you to send a very detailed stream of CCs ( or more than one stream if you like), much better definition than the fcb1010 Xavier also promises to make it even more loop friendly. ..but right now there's a little hitch, I did some latency measurements. I close miced (sp? miked?) the switches and recorded the sound to one channel of a stereo file, then recorded the EDP (echoplex) output on the other channel. This allows me to view the waveforms of the 2 channels together with Audition and get a reall accurate measurement of the delay from hitting the switch to the start of the sample. Here's the results FC7 (edp hardware pedal ) 4mS fcb1010 to edp 5ms Gordius LG4 to edp 70mS I'd guess it's the same for other Gordius products ( which have pretty much identical software). Obviously I've let Xavier know about this, and straight away he's saying that 70mS is unacceptable , and that he'll be working on this over this weekend. Hopefully he can sort this out, he seems confident. ...and even promises a special "low latency patch mode" if this is needed. anyway, that's why there haven't been any mp3s of amazing EDP tricks with the new controller yet. Will keep you all informed. andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 10 11:52:49 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8503D3BEC7; Sat, 10 Nov 2007 11:52:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; bh=1daxseNIKxzdOFtEKSoP2ypI21gF3VdWUBTmbXnH9zg=; b=bwDaNNrPAaq/j4TB5neuh4kyJv11dKQHpv49zjpw6q8MJA//SbATeRPKo2zof5b4/7yi/5znUwXPsVimJnbpIL8UOpV4rXmOjS/9JASLVsNBLAOOXsbUOrCu3iSOL/pZb459JQpwHGYIL/CAcPny3efnkepLeHV+5EADH3PBrYQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=p7moeuySRzxGhnCeBdUGqAkCpXHdqlowQzfwjEJemmgKEdWT5H4tYZg3kF0CX2OEswLidAlGKeoC04js0JTaAKCxHnvICg3yvV8Q9O6M8ZPyYNEQj58nJQQu+NC5+/J0fm+EfDgReZGwBJUQuqwuCp6FyaFdkUjY72XgCXFOj6s= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <473599C6.7010507@tiscali.co.uk> References: <473599C6.7010507@tiscali.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Gordius Little Giant Update + EDP and latency Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2007 12:52:41 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76227 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2007 11:52:49 +0000 (UTC) On 10 nov 2007, at 12.45, andy butler wrote: > anyway, that's why there haven't been any mp3s of amazing EDP > tricks with the new controller yet. Will you, or someone record, in Norwich next weekend? So sorry I can't come BTW, but money is still low here. Thanks for the GLG report! Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://www.youtube.com/pellibox (gritty) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 10 12:09:29 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 42D5D3BEC7; Sat, 10 Nov 2007 12:09:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 633228378-mk-filter-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com-B2C-$THROTTLED-DYNAMIC-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 79.74.154.91 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Ah4FALMtNUdPSppb/2dsb2JhbACCKo4lkgI Message-ID: <47359FBA.1050809@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2007 12:10:34 +0000 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: was Gordius +latency(Norwich fest) References: <473599C6.7010507@tiscali.co.uk> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76228 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2007 12:09:29 +0000 (UTC) Per Boysen wrote: > Will you, or someone record, in Norwich next weekend? So sorry I can't > come BTW, but money is still low here. Thanks for the GLG report! > hi Per, no, it won't be the same without you (still good tho' ) I'll try to record everything, but it would be tempting fate to make promises. andy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 10 15:41:31 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7EC7F3BEC2; Sat, 10 Nov 2007 15:41:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4735D118.50308@mhorse.com> Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2007 09:41:12 -0600 From: Daryl Shawn User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.13 (Windows/20070809) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Did Rick Walker gave up looping? References: <00d301c8235c$6106fb30$6401a8c0@dayglogreen> In-Reply-To: <00d301c8235c$6106fb30$6401a8c0@dayglogreen> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76229 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2007 15:41:31 +0000 (UTC) At first I read "Carlot" as "Harlot", which would be a REAL twist. Do your wares come in lime green? Daryl Shawn www.swanwelder.com www.chinapaintingmusic.com > Well, after depressing sales of my last abstract electronic CD I > finally decided to hang it up as a live looper and try my > hand at a new career: I call it the > Magic/Flapjack/Haberdasher/Carlot career. > > > Could I interest anyone in a brand new set of Big and Tall sized Men's > Pancakes that > I can pull out of a Hat for no money down, zero interest until 2009 > and $1500 cash back? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 10 15:49:20 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 505613BED5; Sat, 10 Nov 2007 15:49:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: Donearlsto@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2007 10:49:10 EST Subject: Re: Echoplex Woes To: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, matigrob@gmail.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_ca7.1fa5cd88.34672cf6_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 207 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76230 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2007 15:49:20 +0000 (UTC) --part1_ca7.1fa5cd88.34672cf6_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Andy, Thanks for the info. I will give that a shot today. Not that it matters in practical terms, but any idea why it would suddenly start doing this after 3 years? Just curious I guess.\ Again, thanks for the tip, I will get back to you on the outcome, Donovan www.donovanstokes.com http://members.sibeliusmusic.com/donovanstokes www.myspace.com/donovanstokes ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com --part1_ca7.1fa5cd88.34672cf6_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Andy,
        Thanks for the info.  I will give that a shot today.  Not that i= t matters in practical terms, but any idea why it would suddenly start doing= this after 3 years?  Just curious I guess.\

        Again, thanks for the tip, I will get back to you on the outcome,

        Donovan

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        See what's=20= new at http://www.aol.com --part1_ca7.1fa5cd88.34672cf6_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 10 16:01:14 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7E5FB3BEC5; Sat, 10 Nov 2007 16:01:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 633293519-mk-filter-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com-B2C-$THROTTLED-DYNAMIC-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 79.74.154.91 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Ah4FAANlNUdPSppb/2dsb2JhbACCKqBt Message-ID: <4735D602.7080302@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2007 16:02:10 +0000 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: LD Subject: Gordius Little Giant lowest latency ever Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <74GqH.A.MiE.KXdNHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76231 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2007 16:01:14 +0000 (UTC) Hold the press! I just got Xaviers latest latency reduced firmware for my Gordius LG4 ( this was a pre-release version for tests) I measured latency with the same set up as before. It's now faster than the fcb1010 with a latency of 4mS to trigger an EDP sample ( which includes, obviously, the edp latency of at least 1mS). So, Gordius is now as fast as using the edp's non-Midi controller (which also clocks 4mS). Conclusion.....YOU want a Gordius foot controller. I don't know what happens regarding the Little Giant Module, presumably the fcb latency adds to the Gordius latency, so at very worst were looking at 8mS to trigger an edp sample, which is not so bad, and maybe less than that. It's interesting to compare these figures with laptop setup latencies. andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 10 16:14:44 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 55A0A3BED9; Sat, 10 Nov 2007 16:14:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=09PHM/rnUq9hgfy3ZXN9Q8sAMz/Ik80vAmnzk1DHxDSbWaGZIN5BQOPovtPFMs+0HcwxPzzW8X5Uq0ltCB5k/ZDeCWfI4Q36XTFVQ49kx7avr2l86iLlXta67eS+3B3ZMv8jpLx9fzIfGZggcUYL21KJfBwyQlQCyd/cC8wVtcQ=; X-YMail-OSG: 1NjwtQoVM1kMsW4TOaoJ.M7MaPYjvScBS4dfDmiOX6PcqnbaVnQlgpJoZ.DjgZ5TMAqd7W1hrkT6jK5.nwCFGss7pNAeYfsq0tOBstJvhzkfEPFQMVM- Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2007 08:14:41 -0800 (PST) From: grw20022 Subject: for sale DD-20 Giga Delay twin pedal To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <72771.65332.qm@web34203.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-2030430158-1194711281=:9670" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <824500.9670.qm@web34206.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76232 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2007 16:14:44 +0000 (UTC) --0-2030430158-1194711281=:9670 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit grw20022 wrote: this is in mint condition. still in the box and works very good. I am looking to get other instruments with this sale. who ever gets it will have a good instrument. I am asking $200. I will take care of the H/S. I bought it new. you have to mail it to me by a cerified mail with either cash or money order or bank check...the cerified mail is to make sure I get it and I will mail it right out to you. these are some of the things the pedal can do. DD-20: GIGA Delay Features The BOSS DD-20 Digital Delay offers more User memory and the longest delay of any effect pedal - And with a choice of 11 modes - including new Smooth and Twist” delays and sound-on-sound recording - up to 23 seconds! Delay time can be quickly set using the push-button knob or via tap tempo.this Twin Pedal raises the bar for new push-button knob for setting delay time in fine or coarse adjustments you can get back to me at grw2002@hotmail.com Gerry __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! 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        grw20022 <grw20022@yahoo.com> wrote:

        this is in mint condition. still in the box and works very good. I am looking to get other instruments with this sale. who ever gets it will have a good instrument. I am asking $200. I will take care of the H/S. I bought it new. you have to mail it to me by a cerified mail with either cash or money order or bank check...the cerified mail is to make sure I get it and I will mail it right out to you. these are some of the things the pedal can do. DD-20: GIGA Delay
        Features
        The BOSS DD-20 Digital Delay offers more User memory and the longest delay of any effect pedal -  And with a choice of 11 modes - including new Smooth and Twist” delays and sound-on-sound recording - up to 23 seconds! Delay time can be quickly set using the push-button knob or via tap tempo.this Twin Pedal raises the bar for new push-button knob for setting delay time in fine or coarse adjustments
      •  you can get back to me at grw2002@hotmail.com
        Gerry
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        http://mail.yahoo.com --0-2030430158-1194711281=:9670-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 10 16:18:01 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D7F033BED5; Sat, 10 Nov 2007 16:18:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 720 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Sat, 10 Nov 2007 16:18:01 UTC Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_f2d17857-dca4-44c4-8c74-b9a665b71394_" X-Originating-IP: [99.246.89.216] From: Dave Lauzon To: Subject: RE: two amp setups Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2007 11:06:00 -0500 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <985F86F3-10EA-43B6-BA56-CDD2506E2B46@midway.uchicago.edu> References: <985F86F3-10EA-43B6-BA56-CDD2506E2B46@midway.uchicago.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Nov 2007 16:06:01.0036 (UTC) FILETIME=[9673F8C0:01C823B3] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76233 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2007 16:18:01 +0000 (UTC) --_f2d17857-dca4-44c4-8c74-b9a665b71394_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable You could just run a mixer with one amp on the left output and one on the r= ight. Run your looper on a aux send, return it on a channel and pan it to = whatever amp you want. also pan your guitar signal to whatever amp. Dave Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2007 21:48:58 -0600 From: jcshirke@midway.uchicago.edu Subject: Re: two amp setups To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Is it possible to set up a looper such that I could have a looped signal ru= n to the JC-120, and play over it with through the Carvin, as well as have = just a looped signal going through either amp?=20 Another option is to get one of these: www.soundsculpture.com/products/swit= chblade.htmYou may only need the Switchblade 8B and not the GL. I'm not sur= e how complicated your rig is, though. You could get the 8B + some (or mayb= e just 1) Axess Electronics GRX4 Router/Switchers. That would allow you to = put 4 devices on a single Switchblade "loop".Jeff _________________________________________________________________ Send a smile, make someone laugh, have some fun! Start now! http://www.freemessengeremoticons.ca/?icid=3DEMENCA122= --_f2d17857-dca4-44c4-8c74-b9a665b71394_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

        You could just r= un a mixer with one amp on the left output and one on the right.  Run = your looper on a aux send, return it on a channel and pan it to whatever am= p you want.  also pan your guitar signal to whatever amp.

        Dave<= br>



        Date: Fri, 9 No= v 2007 21:48:58 -0600
        From: jcshirke@midway.uchicago.edu
        Subject: Re:= two amp setups
        To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com


        =

        Is it possible to set up a looper such that = I could have a looped signal run to the JC-120, and play over it with throu= gh the Carvin, as well as have just a looped signal going through either am= p? 

        Another option is to get = one of these: www.soundsculpture.com/products/switchblade.htm=

        You may only= need the Switchblade 8B and not the GL. I'm not sure how complicated your = rig is, though. You could get the 8B + some (or maybe just 1) Axess Electro= nics GRX4 Router/Switchers. That would allow you to put 4 devices on a sing= le Switchblade "loop".

        <= /div>
        Jeff

        Send a smile, make someone lau= gh, have some fun! Start now! = --_f2d17857-dca4-44c4-8c74-b9a665b71394_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 10 16:23:21 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B868B3BEDE; Sat, 10 Nov 2007 16:23:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=gGk2C11tiRr/0pJ0A1NJYcgDHPVrsVKJwsAq7R910jkwgVZyK5+m9PPaEqAQP9r2C6v9TBqRXdwCP/pZOYQVwRVoLU6bSSsGDxvPy0/MOerut5KpX5nDHhswzmxGR7+R1OAZs3ieeyeSSDGoHy44nfh3wB26ROY7GUGihO5xEmI=; X-YMail-OSG: hGPaoMoVM1lvAFeGyv9aAZVQa8uuBE8XGK6HIGdfUwFnKb6H6Zv.rTolGk7tjprUw_CUg5kT7FgOvYrVqmAu7rTbcUCw_2BruF9MVE2qUW9rZLtmivk- Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2007 08:23:20 -0800 (PST) From: grw20022 Subject: for sale BOSS DD-20 Giga Delay Twin Pedal To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <239272.25016.qm@web34205.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-242283183-1194711800=:17404" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <328977.17404.qm@web34208.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76234 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2007 16:23:21 +0000 (UTC) --0-242283183-1194711800=:17404 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit this is in mint condition. still in the box and works very good. I am looking to get other instruments with this sale. who ever gets it will have a good instrument. I am asking $200. I will take care of the H/S. I bought it new. you have to mail it to me by a cerified mail with either cash or money order or bank check...the cerified mail is to make sure I get it and I will mail it right out to you. these are some of the things the pedal can do. DD-20: GIGA Delay Features The BOSS DD-20 Digital Delay offers more User memory and the longest delay of any effect pedal - And with a choice of 11 modes - including new Smooth and Twist” delays and sound-on-sound recording - up to 23 seconds! Delay time can be quickly set using the push-button knob or via tap tempo.this Twin Pedal raises the bar for new push-button knob for setting delay time in fine or coarse adjustments I can be reached at grw2002@hotmail.com Gerry __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com --0-242283183-1194711800=:17404 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
        this is in mint condition. still in the box and works very good. I am looking to get other instruments with this sale. who ever gets it will have a good instrument. I am asking $200. I will take care of the H/S. I bought it new. you have to mail it to me by a cerified mail with either cash or money order or bank check...the cerified mail is to make sure I get it and I will mail it right out to you. these are some of the things the pedal can do. DD-20: GIGA Delay
        Features
        The BOSS DD-20 Digital Delay offers more User memory and the longest delay of any effect pedal -  And with a choice of 11 modes - including new Smooth and Twist” delays and sound-on-sound recording - up to 23 seconds! Delay time can be quickly set using the push-button knob or via tap tempo.this Twin Pedal raises the bar for new push-button knob for setting delay time in fine or coarse adjustments
        I can be reached at grw2002@hotmail.com
        Gerry

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        http://mail.yahoo.com --0-242283183-1194711800=:17404-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 10 17:01:53 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BEE693BED9; Sat, 10 Nov 2007 17:01:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 3599 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Sat, 10 Nov 2007 17:01:53 UTC Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2007 11:01:35 -0500 From: Bill Fox Subject: The AM/FM Show Playlist for November 10, 2007 To: undisclosed-recipients: ; Message-id: <4735D5DF.5090809@soundscapes.us> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.12 (Windows/20070509) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76235 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2007 17:01:53 +0000 (UTC) http://soundscapes.us/amfm/playlists/2007/071110.html The AM/FM Show has two alternating hosts. When I am at the helm, expect to hear electronic, ambient, spacemusic, Progressive Rock, and an eclectic mix of other genres. The show airs from 6:00 am to 8:00 am on WMUH Allentown, 91.7 FM and on the internet. I also host Afterglow every Thursday from 8:00 am to 9:30 am. Show #120 November 10, 2007. On this show, I preempted Phase 2 to expand Phases 1 and 3 and to play the music of Radio Massacre International who will be in concert on the 17th at the Gatherings concert series. Gatherings: http://thegatherings.org Phase I/Space: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ==================== ==================== ============================== VA [Ron Boots] The Unknown Soldier E-dition #16 (Groove) VA [Australis] The Gates of E-dition #16 (Groove) Reality VA [Scen Hansen] Mars X E-dition #16 (Groove) Fulton/Reaves Enduring Time The Range (Binary) Fulton/Reaves Being Within Range The Range (Binary) Centrozoon Field 2 Ovefield (Unsung) Darshan Ambient The Palace of From Pale Hands To Weary Windowed Rocks Skies ++ (Lotuspike) Phase II/Eclectic: Preempted to expand Phases 1 and 3. Phase III/Progressive Rock: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ==================== ==================== ============================== Radio Massacre Track 4 Hampshire Jam 10-29-01 (none) International RMI Seven Scepters for Septentrional (DiN) Sephulcrave RMI Ants In Me Room Solid States (Northern Echo) RMI Black Cloud Over Solid States (Northern Echo) Claremont RMI The Loneliness of Solid States (Northern Echo) the Long Distance Porcupine Tree Voyage 34 (Phase NEARfest 6-23-01 (none) One) Porcupine Tree Radioactive Toy NEARfest 6-23-01 (none) * = excerpt ++ = Advanced CDR from artist VA = Various Artists (compilation) I return to the AM/FM Show on November 17. On the next show, I will continue the special on the sampler CDs that come with each issue of E-dition electronic music magazine. Bill ====================================================================== Host of the AM/FM Show every other Saturday at 6:00 am EST (GMT-5:00). Phase 1: Electronic, ambient, and space music to bring you back from "Beyond the Barriers." Phase 2: Mixed bag of acoustic, electric, pop, or New Age. Phase 3: Progressive rock from past masters to contemporary releases. Web Site - http://soundscapes.us/amfm Listen to WMUH Allentown locally at 91.7 FM or on-line at http://www.muhlenberg.edu/wmuh and click the REAL AUDIO link or go directly to rtsp://helix.muhlenberg.edu:554/broadcast/live.rm Playlists are also published at http://billfox.blogspot.com RSS (2.0) feed from http://billfox.blogspot.com/rss.xml Atom (0.3) feed from http://billfox.blogspot.com/atom.xml ====================================================================== The progdj list is the central clearing house for radio playlists of Progressive Rock programs. Tired of joining dozens of mailing lists to post playlists or track airplay? The progdj list solves that problem. The progdj list is the place to go in order to see playlists and CD and concert reviews by DJs of progressive rock-friendly radio programs. Anyone interested in seeing playlists can join. There is NO SPAM because I keep the spammers out before the members ever see any hint of it. The progdj list is for DJs (obviously!) and band members, record label personnel, promoters, managers, and anyone else interested in seeing what gets played on the air. Need to find who is playing prog on the radio? Go to the progdj list. To join, go to http://groups.yahoo.com/group/progdj and click on the [Join This Group!] link. ====================================================================== From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 10 17:26:06 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7BD933BECC; Sat, 10 Nov 2007 17:26:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; bh=EV0iI+OVwvNDy+Hw3Ri0zic07ytcGko2c92QCpcNRHM=; b=c86yQWWCh7sCgirNfuM+bkqx7k1gZpVZLpJMMYicv+wRxUoqZs7+MH0MSURgb1swfohnNw5Jbe1OJWjolCGj51sonAORe6FZJYk7xsBdui6xDSh9F/s2SdPxsQSyVNb/oAvMUwU7kbB4L6yVkz+8Rfw1y9e7DtSWbfQbxgbnk1c= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=sG8RCrj629mH8GPhpR0D2lmN10Bwn8BpajeKJ8FoW2PBpESWJqNB0yeoDeiXHWxTZNfjUBWYKcIAPfijV0CxJeiiKQbkt6cgzO7hsnBh20gi7B8HFS73S7JQP68NWeqS1lYNhEftKhWNY5C5xIBDJqa+YfL/9NATfRX/NaP2Wbc= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <4735D602.7080302@tiscali.co.uk> References: <4735D602.7080302@tiscali.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Gordius Little Giant lowest latency ever Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2007 18:26:00 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76236 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2007 17:26:06 +0000 (UTC) On 10 nov 2007, at 17.02, andy butler wrote: > Hold the press! > > I just got Xaviers latest latency reduced firmware for my Gordius LG4 > ( this was a pre-release version for tests) > > I measured latency with the same set up as before. > > It's now faster than the fcb1010 with a latency of 4mS to trigger > an EDP sample > ( which includes, obviously, the edp latency of at least 1mS). > > So, Gordius is now as fast as using the edp's non-Midi controller > (which also clocks 4mS). > > Conclusion.....YOU want a Gordius foot controller. Folks, a big hand for Xavier and Andy! ;-))) Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://www.youtube.com/pellibox (gritty) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 10 17:34:05 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A9CEB3BEDB; Sat, 10 Nov 2007 17:34:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4735EB8A.7080805@gordius.be> Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2007 18:34:02 +0100 From: GORDIUS info Reply-To: info@gordius.be User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (Windows/20070728) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Gordius Little Giant lowest latency ever References: <4735D602.7080302@tiscali.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4735D602.7080302@tiscali.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76237 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2007 17:34:05 +0000 (UTC) Thanks Andy, you had me worried for a moment ! ;-) > regarding the Little Giant Module, presumably the fcb latency adds to the Gordius latency, It's a safe thing to expect this indeed. It will probably be better, because I did remove all logic of the original FCB firmware (retrieving and sending the programmed patches for each switch) - the modified FCB acts as a real "slave" and simply sends a hardcoded MIDI message on each keypress; so that should be faster, but I couldn't put any spec on that without analyzing the original firmware. Or better: you showed me a good way to measure all this, so I'll have to do that soon. andy butler wrote: > Hold the press! > > I just got Xaviers latest latency reduced firmware for my Gordius LG4 > ( this was a pre-release version for tests) > > I measured latency with the same set up as before. > > It's now faster than the fcb1010 with a latency of 4mS to trigger an > EDP sample > ( which includes, obviously, the edp latency of at least 1mS). > > So, Gordius is now as fast as using the edp's non-Midi controller > (which also clocks 4mS). > > Conclusion.....YOU want a Gordius foot controller. > > I don't know what happens regarding the Little Giant Module, > presumably the fcb latency adds > to the Gordius latency, so at very worst were looking at 8mS to > trigger an edp sample, which is not so bad, > and maybe less than that. > > It's interesting to compare these figures with laptop setup latencies. > > andy butler > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 10 18:13:35 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 431FC3BEB0; Sat, 10 Nov 2007 18:13:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <017301c823c5$67bc43e0$7db0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RC-50 and Speed Control Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2007 11:13:31 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/related; type="multipart/alternative"; boundary="=_MAILPROV.cableone.net-16144-1194718413-0001-2" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76238 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2007 18:13:35 +0000 (UTC) This is a MIME-formatted message. If you see this text it means that your E-mail software does not support MIME-formatted messages. --=_MAILPROV.cableone.net-16144-1194718413-0001-2 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=_MAILPROV.cableone.net-16144-1194718413-0001-3" This is a MIME-formatted message. If you see this text it means that your E-mail software does not support MIME-formatted messages. --=_MAILPROV.cableone.net-16144-1194718413-0001-3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Can you control the speed of loops in real time on the RC-50 with an = external expression pedal (EV-5)? Can you program fixed speed changes like half speed, doublespeed, etc, = and also have reverse at the same time? Krispen Hartung http://www.krispenhartung.com info@krispenhartung.com --=_MAILPROV.cableone.net-16144-1194718413-0001-3 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

        Can you control the speed of loops in = real time on=20 the RC-50 with an external expression pedal (EV-5)?
        Can you program fixed speed changes = like half=20 speed, doublespeed, etc, and also have reverse at the same = time?

        Krispen = Hartung
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        ------=_NextPart_000_0179_01C8238D.D9409B70-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 10 18:47:08 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 64B673BED5; Sat, 10 Nov 2007 18:47:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <20071110124613.jqqb4dxyysgcok04@69.89.21.76> Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2007 12:46:13 -0600 From: kkissinger@kevinkissinger.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, Krispen Hartung Subject: Re: RC-50 and Speed Control References: <017301c823c5$67bc43e0$7db0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <017c01c823c8$86903c10$7db0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> In-Reply-To: <017c01c823c8$86903c10$7db0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.3) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - box76.bluehost.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - kevinkissinger.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76240 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2007 18:47:08 +0000 (UTC) Quoting Krispen Hartung : > Oh, and does the speed control also change pitch? That is what I am > insterested in....not speed change at the same pitch. > Can you control the speed of loops in real time on the RC-50 with > an external expression pedal (EV-5)? > Can you program fixed speed changes like half speed, doublespeed, > etc, and also have reverse at the same time? My experience with speed changes on the RC50 is that it changes the tempo, not the pitch, however the sound quality is greatly degraded once the speed is changed. -- Kevin From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 10 18:58:20 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5E4903BED5; Sat, 10 Nov 2007 18:58:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 644324152-mk-filter-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com-B2C-$THROTTLED-DYNAMIC-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 79.74.154.91 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Ah4FANKNNUdPSppb/2dsb2JhbACCKqA8 Message-ID: <4735FF8E.5040708@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2007 18:59:26 +0000 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Gordius Little Giant lowest latency ever References: <4735D602.7080302@tiscali.co.uk> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76241 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2007 18:58:20 +0000 (UTC) Per Boysen wrote: > Folks, a big hand for Xavier and Andy! ;-))) > well Xavier did the magic, I only reported it andy anyway, people are always saying I have big hands because of my wierdo guitar fingerings ;-) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 10 19:08:12 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 910C43BEDA; Sat, 10 Nov 2007 19:08:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; bh=Vtmdxye/GEyRzJJ3Zj/7gMhATG3zyfqPlTgu72EpFtM=; b=Rq4bbjdxsVw9ij6Srjt4FZbdVcv8Ywq7n1ssjUveAkzaIHrvnDgVbUjGAxxtizlsJXKcYLr0KrWdrcPuPBIIppL0IvSY2MJ+zTAmopUemY1y3b5eWFqmz4eseHthrekPGT7jwAgnqD4+BzQLkYOaJvcxIQ9YWd8epFGvnu2H3jU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=odcVCk4CpscoAT3CqlPGIMjA3LJvZQQGAbap1k6tcUwm9g00zuoX1lvUPeOJGnJ6K15Ut1JwmOT+BUiedry52b1BsSQ+DvstLIcrcpZOWdgbwFCH0OgdNaBpl/6aDK92/rpnW3C1fKiI74twCtFmV7ObVUFwpkxSPbkwIwJvhRs= Message-ID: <9e0440a60711101108v2469129alc9be8e3b8f197faa@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2007 14:08:10 -0500 From: "Jim Goodin" To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Slight OT question: Tascam US-224 drivers for OSX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_694_26669203.1194721690673" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76242 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2007 19:08:12 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_694_26669203.1194721690673 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Anyone have a driver download location for this USB audio controller. It's a bit dated and appears to only still have OS9 support. I've found some chatter about it on forums for OSX but appears support is limited to none. I've used for years on XP and am now trying to use it a OSX. Is there possibly a generic USB audio driver that will work with it? Thanks for the input. Jim -- The Acoustic World Guitar of Jim Goodin - http://www.jimgoodinmusic.com MySpace (solo) - http://www.myspace.com/jimgoodinmusic Chinapainting - http://www.chinapaintingmusic.com Chinapainting on My Space - http://www.myspace.com/chinapaintingmusic.com The Jim Goodin label and home for 7 other creative souls - http://www.woodandwiremusic.com Jim Goodin uses GHS Strings - http://www.ghsstrings.com and Seagull Guitars - http://www.seagullguitars.com, Jim Goodin is published by Mel Bay Publications, Inc. - http://www.melbay.com Associates and friends on the web - Daryl Shawn - http://www.swanwelder.com Adam Werner - http://www.adamwerner.com John Stowell - http://www.johnstowell.com Matt Richards - http://www.mattrichardsmusic.net Michael Manring - http://www.manthing.com Will Ackerman - http://www.williamackerman.com New Land Music - http://www.newlandmusic.com ------=_Part_694_26669203.1194721690673 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline
        Anyone have a driver download location for this USB audio controller.  It's a bit dated and appears to only still have OS9 support.  I've found some chatter about it on forums for OSX but appears support is limited to none.  I've used for years on XP and am now trying to use it a OSX.  Is there possibly a generic USB audio driver that will work with it?
         
        Thanks for the input.
         
        Jim

        --
        The Acoustic World Guitar of Jim Goodin  - http://www.jimgoodinmusic.com
        MySpace (solo) - http://www.myspace.com/jimgoodinmusic
        Chinapainting -
        http://www.chinapaintingmusic.com
        Chinapainting on My Space -
        http://www.myspace.com/chinapaintingmusic.com
        The Jim Goodin label and home for 7 other creative souls - http://www.woodandwiremusic.com
        Jim Goodin uses GHS Strings - http://www.ghsstrings.com and Seagull Guitars - http://www.seagullguitars.com, Jim Goodin is published by Mel Bay Publications, Inc. - http://www.melbay.com

        Associates and friends on the web -
        Daryl Shawn -
        http://www.swanwelder.com
        Adam Werner - http://www.adamwerner.com
        John Stowell - http://www.johnstowell.com
        Matt Richards - http://www.mattrichardsmusic.net
        Michael Manring - http://www.manthing.com
        Will Ackerman - http://www.williamackerman.com
        New Land Music - http://www.newlandmusic.com
        ------=_Part_694_26669203.1194721690673-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 10 19:20:52 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9A4003BEDC; Sat, 10 Nov 2007 19:20:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <0FA193AC-0574-4338-887A-010F7AE57C6D@mac.com> From: Teddy Kumpel To: "looper's delight list" In-Reply-To: <017c01c823c8$86903c10$7db0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1--480607830 X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (3A109a) Subject: Re: RC-50 and Speed Control Mime-Version: 1.0 (iPhone Mail 3A109a) Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2007 14:20:39 -0500 References: <017301c823c5$67bc43e0$7db0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <017c01c823c8$86903c10$7db0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76243 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2007 19:20:52 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-1--480607830 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes The rc50 does not do any pitch changing. I think the electro harmonix 2880 might be what you need, with the newest software and a midi pedal. Also the eventide time factor does that very well. Teddy Kumpel Http://myspace.com/mistershifty http://myspace.com/Teddybut On Nov 10, 2007, at 1:35 PM, Krispen Hartung wrote: > Oh, and does the speed control also change pitch? That is what I am > insterested in....not speed change at the same pitch. > Can you control the speed of loops in real time on the RC-50 with an > external expression pedal (EV-5)? > Can you program fixed speed changes like half speed, doublespeed, > etc, and also have reverse at the same time? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --Apple-Mail-1--480607830 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8
        The rc50 does not do any pitch changing. I think the electro harmonix 2880 might be what you need, with the newest software and a midi pedal.
        Also the eventide time factor does that very well.

        Teddy Kumpel

        On Nov 10, 2007, at 1:35 PM, Krispen Hartung <khartung@cableone.net> wrote:

        Oh, and does the speed control also change pitch? That is what I am insterested in....not speed change at the same pitch.
        Can you control the speed of loops in real time on the RC-50 with an external expression pedal (EV-5)?
        Can you program fixed speed changes like half speed, doublespeed, etc, and also have reverse at the same time?

         

         

         

         

         

         

         

        --Apple-Mail-1--480607830-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 10 19:26:01 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7BA7B3BEE0; Sat, 10 Nov 2007 19:26:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 347 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Sat, 10 Nov 2007 19:26:00 UTC Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2007 11:20:10 -0800 From: Chris Sewell To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-ID: <8FA76012-0116-1000-F46F-74294F18AB61-Webmail-10013@mac.com> in-reply-to: <20071110124613.jqqb4dxyysgcok04@69.89.21.76> references: <017301c823c5$67bc43e0$7db0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <017c01c823c8$86903c10$7db0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <20071110124613.jqqb4dxyysgcok04@69.89.21.76> Subject: Re: RC-50 and Speed Control MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 67.186.176.29 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76244 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2007 19:26:01 +0000 (UTC) The tempo change was designed more for Percussion type loops and works better with that. There is a Half speed function as well. This works as you would expect, dropping the pitch an octave. On Saturday, November 10, 2007, at 10:47AM, wrote: >Quoting Krispen Hartung : > >> Oh, and does the speed control also change pitch? That is what I am >> insterested in....not speed change at the same pitch. >> Can you control the speed of loops in real time on the RC-50 with >> an external expression pedal (EV-5)? >> Can you program fixed speed changes like half speed, doublespeed, >> etc, and also have reverse at the same time? > >My experience with speed changes on the RC50 is that it changes the >tempo, not the pitch, however the sound quality is greatly degraded >once the speed is changed. > >-- Kevin > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 10 19:37:26 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A91183BED9; Sat, 10 Nov 2007 19:37:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <72359C9F-6FDE-48BF-883C-0CF41A4684E4@mac.com> From: Teddy Kumpel To: "looper's delight list" In-Reply-To: <8FA76012-0116-1000-F46F-74294F18AB61-Webmail-10013@mac.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (3A109a) Subject: Re: RC-50 and Speed Control Mime-Version: 1.0 (iPhone Mail 3A109a) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2007 14:37:11 -0500 References: <017301c823c5$67bc43e0$7db0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <017c01c823c8$86903c10$7db0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <20071110124613.jqqb4dxyysgcok04@69.89.21.76> <8FA76012-0116-1000-F46F-74294F18AB61-Webmail-10013@mac.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76245 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2007 19:37:26 +0000 (UTC) There is??? I've had mine for a year and have yet to discover that. Teddy Kumpel Http://myspace.com/mistershifty http://myspace.com/Teddybut On Nov 10, 2007, at 2:20 PM, Chris Sewell wrote: > The tempo change was designed more for Percussion type loops and > works better with that. There is a Half speed function as well. This > works as you would expect, dropping the pitch an octave. > On Saturday, November 10, 2007, at 10:47AM, > wrote: >> Quoting Krispen Hartung : >> >>> Oh, and does the speed control also change pitch? That is what I am >>> insterested in....not speed change at the same pitch. >>> Can you control the speed of loops in real time on the RC-50 with >>> an external expression pedal (EV-5)? >>> Can you program fixed speed changes like half speed, doublespeed, >>> etc, and also have reverse at the same time? >> >> My experience with speed changes on the RC50 is that it changes the >> tempo, not the pitch, however the sound quality is greatly degraded >> once the speed is changed. >> >> -- Kevin >> >> >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 10 23:34:46 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 07B143BEC7; Sat, 10 Nov 2007 23:34:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <01ae01c823f2$460a3130$7db0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <017301c823c5$67bc43e0$7db0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <017c01c823c8$86903c10$7db0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <0FA193AC-0574-4338-887A-010F7AE57C6D@mac.com> Subject: Re: RC-50 and Speed Control Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2007 16:34:42 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_01AB_01C823B7.98C1BC80" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76246 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2007 23:34:45 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_01AB_01C823B7.98C1BC80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I'll check out the Timefactor. What I am looking for probably doesn't = exist, but I'll search: a stereo in/out floor unit that does reverse, = half speed/pitch, variable speed/pitch, and has more than one loop. = I'll willing to buy two units and run them in parallel if necessary...no = syncing required.=20 Kris ----- Original Message -----=20 The rc50 does not do any pitch changing. I think the electro harmonix = 2880 might be what you need, with the newest software and a midi pedal. Also the eventide time factor does that very well. Teddy Kumpel Http://myspace.com/mistershifty http://myspace.com/Teddybut On Nov 10, 2007, at 1:35 PM, Krispen Hartung = wrote: Oh, and does the speed control also change pitch? That is what I am = insterested in....not speed change at the same pitch. Can you control the speed of loops in real time on the RC-50 with = an external expression pedal (EV-5)? Can you program fixed speed changes like half speed, doublespeed, = etc, and also have reverse at the same time? ------=_NextPart_000_01AB_01C823B7.98C1BC80 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
        I'll check out the Timefactor. What I = am looking=20 for probably doesn't exist, but I'll search: a stereo in/out floor unit = that=20 does reverse, half speed/pitch, variable speed/pitch, and has more than = one=20 loop.  I'll willing to buy two units and run them in parallel if=20 necessary...no syncing required.
         
        Kris
        ----- Original Message -----
         
        The rc50 does not do any pitch changing. I think the electro = harmonix=20 2880 might be what you need, with the newest software and a midi = pedal.
        Also the eventide time factor does that very well.

        Teddy = Kumpel
        Http://myspace.com/mistershifty<= /A>
        http://myspace.com/Teddybut

        On Nov 10, 2007, at 1:35 PM, Krispen Hartung <khartung@cableone.net>=20 wrote:

        Oh, and does the speed control also = change=20 pitch? That is what I am insterested in....not speed change at the = same=20 pitch.
        Can you control the speed of = loops in real=20 time on the RC-50 with an external expression pedal = (EV-5)?
        Can you program fixed speed = changes like half=20 speed, doublespeed, etc, and also have reverse at the same=20 time?

         

         

         

         

         

         

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        ------=_NextPart_000_01AB_01C823B7.98C1BC80-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 10 23:38:56 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 54CB83BED2; Sat, 10 Nov 2007 23:38:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <01c101c823f2$db940d70$7db0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <017301c823c5$67bc43e0$7db0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <017c01c823c8$86903c10$7db0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <0FA193AC-0574-4338-887A-010F7AE57C6D@mac.com> Subject: Re: RC-50 and Speed Control Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2007 16:38:53 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_01BE_01C823B8.2E446CD0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76247 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2007 23:38:56 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_01BE_01C823B8.2E446CD0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Eventide Timefactor...I read it has only a 12 sec looper. Very = unfortunate. ------=_NextPart_000_01BE_01C823B8.2E446CD0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
        Eventide Timefactor...I read it has = only a 12 sec=20 looper. Very unfortunate.
        ------=_NextPart_000_01BE_01C823B8.2E446CD0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 10 23:44:06 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9AEB83BEDC; Sat, 10 Nov 2007 23:44:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <011601c823f3$9b3d9ab0$6401a8c0@dayglogreen> From: "Rick Walker" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: Re: Did Rick Walker gave up looping? Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2007 15:44:16 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76248 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2007 23:44:06 +0000 (UTC) Daryl asked: "Do your wares come in lime green?" Well, actually, since I have begun the 'answer' record to Translucent Dayglo Lime Green Plastic (my first and only live looping CD) which will be called Transcluent Dayglo Orange Plastic", I will be offering all of my wared in both lime green AND orange. That's just because that's the kind of guy that I am. and with variable mortgages raising at an alarming rate, you have me thinking about this Carlot/Harlot morph for my business. I have a friend in the goth scene who is a stripper who just got paid $30,000, room and board to go strip in Guam for three months. I'm thinking of doing this job myself. Don't you think the service men and women in Guam could use a middleaged topless looping guy with a middleaged gut to dance for them? I specialize in the Lambada, forbidden dance of LUV. HAWT!!!!!! HAWT!!!!!!!! HAWT!!!!!!!!!!!!! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 11 00:13:57 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5074E3BEDE; Sun, 11 Nov 2007 00:13:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 644381539-mk-filter-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com-B2C-$THROTTLED-DYNAMIC-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 79.74.190.164 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Ah4FANrXNUdPSr6k/2dsb2JhbACCKp9x Message-ID: <47364987.1090804@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2007 00:15:03 +0000 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: LD Subject: Alesis F2, Warning Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <1BlYm.A.pxG.FlkNHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76249 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2007 00:13:57 +0000 (UTC) Further to any previous glowing reviews:- The Alesis F2 Expression pedal introduces a time delay when you move toe up. So using it to control volume, if you wanted to suddenly shut off the sound you couldn't, you get a fade out of almost a second. One of the stupidest things I ever saw. ("clever mechanism") Imagine trying to use this as a wah-wah (wah-wait?) it doesn't even work as a guitar swell pedal. total junk andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 11 00:29:43 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5CB3F3BEE0; Sun, 11 Nov 2007 00:29:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "William Walker" To: References: Subject: RE: Rick Walker's magic act Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2007 16:29:48 -0800 Message-ID: <002501c823f9$f73f9fb0$6501a8c0@williamsteed> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Thread-Index: AcgjRkK8qTIjUATCSjedLzarSTO8RgAsfYdw In-Reply-To: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76250 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2007 00:29:43 +0000 (UTC) I think what makes Rick's new direction in magic so exciting is. #1. He does really good magic #2. he's really really incredibly good looking, which always helps in show biz #3. And probably the biggest reason is that he has my masterful piano stylings setting the tone, and creating a atmosphere of drama and mystery, that only really good new age piano music can. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 11 00:35:24 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D10433BEE6; Sun, 11 Nov 2007 00:35:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: very special floor-based looper Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2007 01:35:54 +0100 Organization: Moinlabs Message-ID: <000b01c823fa$d1e1a000$1001a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: Acgj8keURfg50xr/QQufQYJfZM4fvgACBNfA X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 In-Reply-To: <01ae01c823f2$460a3130$7db0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> X-RZG-AUTH: lUESeo99iNzPL8kuBgLYdKEqUywq9cxqeRA+BtFcSCD5deQ7OINPN823Sg== X-RZG-CLASS-ID: mo07 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76251 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2007 00:35:24 +0000 (UTC) Krispen says: > What I am looking for probably doesn't exist, but I'll search: a stereo in/out floor unit that does reverse, half speed/pitch, > > variable speed/pitch, and has more than one loop. Why not DIY? Use: * one fanless, smallsize PC computer with battery power option: www.digitallogic.ch * you wouldn't want a screen and keyboard: get LED elements with USB connectivity like these: http://www.delcom-eng.com/products_USBLMP.asp * get an audio interface like...anything you'd like with USB2 or Firewire * get some kind of foot control * do your software implementation in MAX/MSP and install it on the computer * assemble everything on a floorboard and have fun! Rainer From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 11 00:52:02 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CE3503BEEC; Sun, 11 Nov 2007 00:52:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2007 19:51:56 EST Subject: Re: Did Rick Walker gave up looping? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_bf7.1ef08a4d.3467ac2c_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 293 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: <7R6qKD.A.eg.xIlNHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76252 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2007 00:52:01 +0000 (UTC) --part1_bf7.1ef08a4d.3467ac2c_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 11/10/07 6:44:24 PM, looppool@cruzio.com writes: > I specialize in the Lambada, > but do you know the 10 extra moves passed on only by a verbal tradition?......well I DO!......and they are your's for a bargin.....reponses off site only!.....:).....m "raise em to eat em!".....scoots galore "THOUGHTS ON PETS" www.ct-collective.com http://mysite.verizon.net/vzepmeci/ http://www.myspace.com/klobuchar11 ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com --part1_bf7.1ef08a4d.3467ac2c_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
        In a message dated 11/10/07 6:44:24 PM, looppool@cruzio.com writes:


        I specialize in the L= ambada,


        but do you know the 10 extra moves passed on only by a verbal tradition?.= .....well I DO!......and they are your's for a bargin.....reponses off site=20= only!.....:).....m




        "raise em to eat em!".....scoots galore "THOUGHTS ON PETS"

        www.ct-collective.com
        http://mysite.verizon.net/vzepmeci/
        http://www.myspace.com/klobuchar11




        **************************************
        See what's=20= new at http://www.aol.com --part1_bf7.1ef08a4d.3467ac2c_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 11 02:17:42 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BF1443BEEA; Sun, 11 Nov 2007 02:17:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Qua Veda" To: References: In-Reply-To: Subject: OT: babooska doll theramins Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2007 18:18:01 -0800 Message-ID: <012f01c82409$18a0dc00$49e29400$@com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0130_01C823C6.0A7D9C00" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: Acgj/SOJkQvOUdJkQNOzG3xdU0u+rwAC8ZiQ Content-Language: en-us X-RBL-Warning: REVDNS: This E-mail was sent from a MUA/MTA 206.212.233.27 with no reverse DNS entry. X-Declude-Sender: qua@oregon.com [206.212.233.27] X-Declude-Spoolname: D664a035b00001a54.smd X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude JunkMail (www.declude.com) for spam. Resent-Message-ID: <0q4eY.A.-zD.FZmNHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76253 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2007 02:17:41 +0000 (UTC) This is a multipart message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0130_01C823C6.0A7D9C00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yikes, check this out: a choir of Babooska Doll Theremins! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=09q9JFceY10 &eurl=http://www.sonicstate.com/news/shownews.cfm?newsid=5532 -Qua ------=_NextPart_000_0130_01C823C6.0A7D9C00 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

        Yikes, check this out: a choir of Babooska Doll = Theremins!

         

        http://www.youtube.com/= watch?v=3D09q9JFceY10&eurl=3Dhttp://www.sonicstate.com/news/shownews.= cfm?newsid=3D5532

         

        -Qua

        ------=_NextPart_000_0130_01C823C6.0A7D9C00-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 11 03:08:00 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 905AB3BECF; Sun, 11 Nov 2007 03:08:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2007 22:07:21 -0500 From: Warren Sirota Subject: RE: babooska doll theramins In-reply-to: <012f01c82409$18a0dc00$49e29400$@com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <058601c8240f$fa194a90$4b02a8c0@warren5d67d038> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_0YQuObKnrvxi97WLixNtQw)" Thread-index: Acgj/SOJkQvOUdJkQNOzG3xdU0u+rwAC8ZiQAAGhIsA= Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76254 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2007 03:08:00 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_0YQuObKnrvxi97WLixNtQw) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Truly, truly bizarre. OK, I think it's unbelievable that anyone can play *one* of these in tune without any physical feedback. A chorus of them in harmony is phenomenal. And the dolls are just sick. _____ From: Qua Veda [mailto:qua@oregon.com] Sent: Saturday, November 10, 2007 9:18 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: OT: babooska doll theramins Yikes, check this out: a choir of Babooska Doll Theremins! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=09q9JFceY10 &eurl=http://www.sonicstate.com/news/shownews.cfm?newsid=5532 -Qua --Boundary_(ID_0YQuObKnrvxi97WLixNtQw) Content-type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT

        Truly, truly bizarre. OK, I think it’s unbelievable that anyone can play *one* of these in tune without any physical feedback. A chorus of them in harmony is phenomenal. And the dolls are just sick.

         

        From: Qua Veda [mailto:qua@oregon.com]
        Sent: Saturday, November 10, 2007 9:18 PM
        To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
        Subject: OT: babooska doll theramins

         

        Yikes, check this out: a choir of Babooska Doll Theremins!

         

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=09q9JFceY10&eurl=http://www.sonicstate.com/news/shownews.cfm?newsid=5532

         

        -Qua

        --Boundary_(ID_0YQuObKnrvxi97WLixNtQw)-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 11 03:11:01 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 694F13BEE8; Sun, 11 Nov 2007 03:11:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X_CMAE_Category: 0,0 Undefined,Undefined X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=vnREMb7VAAAA:8 a=xFPblp5A_XDuUDcNW-oA:9 a=l2IBN1fEtZwyPbRNjsLU3aJLgVkA:4 a=gi0PWCVxevcA:10 a=uF5902d6PUJfgAZPzNQA:9 a=SrvjuCBI8NQHZlhQbq8A:7 a=rzMaix_KwV4prmUqxPfpJok2H6MA:4 a=AfD3MYMu9mQA:10 X-CM-Score: 0 X-Scanned-by: Cloudmark Authority Engine Authentication-Results: smtp07.embarq.synacor.com smtp.mail=echohead@embarqmail.com; spf=neutral Authentication-Results: smtp07.embarq.synacor.com smtp.user=echohead@embarqmail.com; auth=pass (LOGIN) Received-SPF: neutral (smtp07.embarq.synacor.com: 71.48.241.17 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of embarqmail.com) Message-ID: <001c01c82410$7a4cf680$0202a8c0@YOUR08D5303051> From: "Jeff Duke" To: Subject: looper alert Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2007 22:10:53 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0019_01C823E6.8F9C6220" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76255 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2007 03:11:01 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0019_01C823E6.8F9C6220 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I can't see what he is using but he is looping when the solo starts, lol http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=3DHLsEMtEXFe8 jeff ------=_NextPart_000_0019_01C823E6.8F9C6220 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
        I can't see what he is using but he is = looping when=20 the solo starts, lol
        http://uk.youtube.co= m/watch?v=3DHLsEMtEXFe8
        jeff
        ------=_NextPart_000_0019_01C823E6.8F9C6220-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 11 03:53:22 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6679C3BED6; Sun, 11 Nov 2007 03:53:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <01f701c82416$6671beb0$7db0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <000b01c823fa$d1e1a000$1001a8c0@succubus> Subject: Re: very special floor-based looper Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2007 20:53:19 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76256 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2007 03:53:22 +0000 (UTC) Ah, don't get me started, Rainer. :) The idea below looks cool, but also gives me a head ache with Excedrin all over it. In terms of computer systems, I am pretty much at what I consider my ideal solution right now: I plug my guitar into the Firewire 400, into my laptop, and into max/msp with my Kaiser looper and tons of effects from Reaktor, my own max patches, etc. I can't think of a better solution, even a hardware alternative. The system below seems far too complicated for me and just drives me deeper into the computer and more connections. I'm not ditching computer systems, but I am basically looking to build a new system that is more simple. These days, I am seeking more simplicity in my life. I am trying to get closer to my instrument, focus on the beauty and purity of the guitar tone itself, and then just add sophisticated looping. I work at the computer 10-14 hours a day, and sometimes the last thing I want to look at when performing is another computer. Sometimes I dream of a day when I go to a looping performance or future Y2K event, and it do nothing but plug my guitar into a floor unit and maybe my Boss VF-1...nothing else...no booting up a computer, launching programs, plugging in audio interface wires, FCB, etc...just the guitar floor looper, and one device for reverb/delay, etc...something I can setup in about 2 minutes. I just happened to be obsessed with this idea of simplicity and short setup time right now. I have to say, at Y2K7 this year, when I lost my MIDI control after 9 minutes and 30 seconds into my first piece (here my sound clip on the Y2K7 we site), and then I decided to play solo free jazz guitar style for the last 4 minutes (no loops, effects, or crazy tone mangling), that was a very liberating and yet enlightening 4 minutes. And I was even more surprised when I stopped and had explained to the audience what had happened - that I had decided to continue playing with the tools I possessed rather than stopping and blaming the glitch in my performance on the technology - and everyone applauded. Interesting to get an applause at a looping festival for something that involved no looping, but the technological failing of a looping system. In any event, that experience, combined with watching Philippe Zurrigo at Y2K5, after he had lost his EDP, and then pulled off a brilliant performance with just his guitar, a borrowed EDP with limited functionality, has been growing on me for a long time. It made me long again for the days when I used to just plug my guitar into an amp and play jazz, but now with some sophisticated looping technology. I keep threatening to go back to my roots, yet also keep getting seduced by the technology, effects, Reaktor, max/msp, etc. It's made me rather artistically neurotic. Certainly, many of you on this list have observed me vacillating back and forth on this point. Well, I digress, and back to the topic, it appears the Boomerang III, whenever the hell they decide to stop teasing us and release it, has the potential to be the most feature filled floor looper. I am intrigued by the expression pedal jack on the back and what it can control. If it can be assigned to changing pitch in real-time, that unit will be very attractive....and especially if the MIDI connections can be connected to something like a MIDI Moose to access more features beyond the two bonus buttons on the unit. And three separate loops tracks, each with record/overdub capability is more than enough growing room for creating interesting textures and sounds. Kris on the technology, > Why not DIY? Use: > * one fanless, smallsize PC computer with battery power option: > www.digitallogic.ch > * you wouldn't want a screen and keyboard: get LED elements with USB > connectivity like these: http://www.delcom-eng.com/products_USBLMP.asp > * get an audio interface like...anything you'd like with USB2 or > Firewire > * get some kind of foot control > * do your software implementation in MAX/MSP and install it on the > computer > * assemble everything on a floorboard and have fun! > > Rainer From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 11 04:00:59 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 49A533BEDF; Sun, 11 Nov 2007 04:00:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <020f01c82417$770170d0$7db0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <013b01c81cf6$f4f68bb0$0eaae40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Subject: Re: Y2K7 MP3s Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2007 21:00:57 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76257 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2007 04:00:59 +0000 (UTC) New additions to the Y2K7 MP3 page: http://www.y2kloopfest.com/mp3.html Dustbunnies (Duke Sexton) Greg Williams Matthias Grob (Switzerland/Brazil) and ARILD ANDERSEN (Norway) Kris ----- Original Message ----- > Lot's of new Y2K7 MP3s posted now at http://www.y2kloopfest.com/mp3.html > (with thumnail pictures of performance by Mark Hamburg) > > Posted so far: > > HENRY KAISER (USA) - Headliner > ARILD ANDERSEN (Norway) - Headliner > Peter Cor > Craig McCoullough > Chris Roberts > Matt Davignon > Kevin Kissinger > FABIO ANILE (Italy) - Headliner > Bill Walker > Randolf Arriola (Singapore) - featured performer > Per Boysen (Sweden) > Chinapainting > Barry Cleveland > Bob Amstadt > Harry Weinberg > JD Devros > Michael Klobuchar & Per Boysen > Gary Regina > LEANDER REININGHAUS (Germany) - HEADLINER > Krispen Hartung - featured performer > Mark Hamburg > > ...on the way: > > Matthias Grob (Switzerland/Brazil) and ARILD ANDERSEN (Norway) > and more. > > Kris > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 11 05:58:27 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 576B83BED6; Sun, 11 Nov 2007 05:58:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com In-Reply-To: <001c01c82410$7a4cf680$0202a8c0@YOUR08D5303051> References: <001c01c82410$7a4cf680$0202a8c0@YOUR08D5303051> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-4--442344440 Message-Id: <2B6A3B88-6A4A-4306-883F-52D50357FE41@seanmormelo.com> From: Sean Mormelo Subject: Re: looper alert Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2007 20:58:23 -0900 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76258 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2007 05:58:27 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-4--442344440 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed On Nov 10, 2007, at 6:10 PM, Jeff Duke wrote: > I can't see what he is using but he is looping when the solo > starts, lol > http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=HLsEMtEXFe8 > jeff > His guitar is out of tune and this version is bad. Sean Mormelo sean@seanmormelo.com www.seanmormelo.com www.myspace.com/seanmormelo --Apple-Mail-4--442344440 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1
        On Nov 10, 2007, = at 6:10 PM, Jeff Duke wrote:

        I can't see what he is = using but he is looping when the solo starts, = lol

        His guitar is out of tune and = this version is bad.=A0

        Sean = Mormelo
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        From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 11 12:06:32 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0DB3C3BEE6; Sun, 11 Nov 2007 12:06:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=trmv+djj1jw65zL5qGIMICfxc0EDs1WRC8fd/eDJuLMh2pBZdt/m9ke8xmBlhPX7CTjhfjXGG0GzzYhibfggT7VCpd1DM2tHlhOlwJBKNXDGR2HQtrRkvsQbVIaJiCjanVJ67ZPzInoR/5b4mGswxbYHXfgVpR9VBf7D7ow2PdA=; X-YMail-OSG: 1HnvbvkVM1nG2ta9VhhoshmLzIuLy7nziHNfoWLUEvvCqliwf.16N5QeNN3JbZPl.1REQ_Rllh_4MKew0hVNSLVgrw-- Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2007 04:06:29 -0800 (PST) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: RE: Rick Walker's magic act To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <002501c823f9$f73f9fb0$6501a8c0@williamsteed> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <34251.96770.qm@web38603.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: <60L2tD.A.LNF.HBvNHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76259 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2007 12:06:31 +0000 (UTC) come on Rick quit this shit now, we want your green hair back!!! http://siusalukis.cstv.com/sports/c-swim/mtt/walker_rick01.html --- William Walker wrote: > > I think what makes Rick's new direction in magic so > exciting is. > #1. He does really good magic > #2. he's really really incredibly good looking, > which always helps in show > biz > #3. And probably the biggest reason is that he has > my masterful piano > stylings setting the tone, and creating a atmosphere > of drama and mystery, > that only really good new age piano music can. > > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 11 12:16:51 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4AF193BEE6; Sun, 11 Nov 2007 12:16:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=IPDd8KaGn9kMQa9Wl2UrS9FfXegt8GQusmAWT+wJdMeXsR9sKuAUXkUmLAftet4KmF6j4wOtnVQbJG38OIXTLJj4/dsxc3u/uvThB/7u/RoiNYF1ePwlYa9PLok6dE/eQ2VAKcZHd+ZE5uDcQ+Hv4gVH2D7/i8sEXcSULVzTncg=; X-YMail-OSG: n17OXbQVM1miBaqRdf_0Gs4fGJ2cacWXzGfx_m9mCLVSVgvJvONhSrzSqqmkRPBq3lUVqsp5rgKaBSLMptaP5i1hOipm1q5DBlLfvBsaQKjCwxzGxIM- Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2007 04:16:49 -0800 (PST) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: Re: RC-50 and Speed Control To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <01ae01c823f2$460a3130$7db0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <743676.45805.qm@web38612.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76260 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2007 12:16:51 +0000 (UTC) The good thing about the timefactor though is that it will hopefully be upgraded and it has midi which except for the RC-50 none of them have,(correct me if i am wrong).Boss has a different philosophy when it comes to upgrades,they never have and never will,the one for the RC-50 is considered more up a software correction.From all the floor units i think the Boomerang is the only one that has ever offered a software upgrade! Luis --- Krispen Hartung wrote: > I'll check out the Timefactor. What I am looking for > probably doesn't exist, but I'll search: a stereo > in/out floor unit that does reverse, half > speed/pitch, variable speed/pitch, and has more than > one loop. I'll willing to buy two units and run > them in parallel if necessary...no syncing required. > > > Kris > ----- Original Message ----- > > The rc50 does not do any pitch changing. I think > the electro harmonix 2880 might be what you need, > with the newest software and a midi pedal. > Also the eventide time factor does that very well. > > Teddy Kumpel > Http://myspace.com/mistershifty > http://myspace.com/Teddybut > > On Nov 10, 2007, at 1:35 PM, Krispen Hartung > wrote: > > > Oh, and does the speed control also change > pitch? That is what I am insterested in....not speed > change at the same pitch. > Can you control the speed of loops in real > time on the RC-50 with an external expression pedal > (EV-5)? > Can you program fixed speed changes like half > speed, doublespeed, etc, and also have reverse at > the same time? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 11 12:34:01 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BB1E83BF00; Sun, 11 Nov 2007 12:34:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: AW: very special floor-based looper Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2007 13:34:30 +0100 Organization: Moinlabs Message-ID: <001b01c8245f$35160df0$1001a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: AcgkFmfV/JILa0O9QIiAmjm2KoCJ5wASBQKQ X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 In-Reply-To: <01f701c82416$6671beb0$7db0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> X-RZG-AUTH: lUESeo99iNzPL8kuBgLYdKEqUywq9cxqeRA+BtFcSCD10+29g0ZOTbGPsQ== X-RZG-CLASS-ID: mo07 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76261 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2007 12:34:01 +0000 (UTC) You said: > it. In terms of computer systems, I am pretty much at what I > consider my ideal solution right now: I plug my guitar into > the Firewire 400, into my laptop, and into max/msp with my And then went on: > I work at the computer 10-14 hours a day, and sometimes the > last thing I want to look at when performing is another > computer. Sometimes I dream of a day when I go to a looping That's why I suggested some kind of embedded computer system. Really have a computer without keyboard, mouse, or computer screen - just focus on something that will boot from a solid state disc, have very small, reduced installation (is there a MAX/MSP for Linux btw - you can configure these systems so they really boot in no time). The digital logic microspace computers are the size of a Boss VF-1, and then you'd add some LED display components and some foot switches, and have a system that boots up and is running in less than 10 seconds. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 11 15:15:33 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7374D3BEDB; Sun, 11 Nov 2007 15:15:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <025101c82475$b31e9a80$7db0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <743676.45805.qm@web38612.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: RC-50 and Speed Control Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2007 08:15:30 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76262 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2007 15:15:33 +0000 (UTC) Where is that damn Rang III?!! It has an expression pedal out, MIDI, stereo in/out...etc....I want one now, even if I don't use it all of the time. ----- Original Message ----- > The good thing about the timefactor though is that it > will hopefully be upgraded and it has midi which > except for the RC-50 none of them have,(correct me if > i am wrong).Boss has a different philosophy when it > comes to upgrades,they never have and never will,the > one for the RC-50 is considered more up a software > correction.From all the floor units i think the > Boomerang is the only one that has ever offered a > software upgrade! > Luis From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 11 15:17:49 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A9C743BEDC; Sun, 11 Nov 2007 15:17:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <025801c82476$04c96ef0$7db0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <001b01c8245f$35160df0$1001a8c0@succubus> Subject: Re: very special floor-based looper Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2007 08:17:47 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: <9XXj5D.A.rUE.d0xNHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76263 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2007 15:17:49 +0000 (UTC) But I still have to boot the damn thing up, worry about other common PC problems, connect it to the LED display, a decent audio interface...that's already far more complicated than plugging into a floor looper that you turn on in 1 second and start playing. It's just not appealing to me. I would prefer to stay with the laptop over that option. Although, the MUSE Receptor, if it could run Mobius would be very cool. Kris > And then went on: >> I work at the computer 10-14 hours a day, and sometimes the >> last thing I want to look at when performing is another >> computer. Sometimes I dream of a day when I go to a looping > > That's why I suggested some kind of embedded computer system. Really have > a > computer without keyboard, mouse, or computer screen - just focus on > something that will boot from a solid state disc, have very small, reduced > installation (is there a MAX/MSP for Linux btw - you can configure these > systems so they really boot in no time). 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        From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 11 16:19:22 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 118763BEDF; Sun, 11 Nov 2007 16:19:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=4dsnG2bN5sRnZkZ5xRrsTEZ3f6tAy/pohxYAFWcudVQ=; b=qOTSs4nA7tcOKgVVxIXACaI8cQGOtOlJNUK5O1D66cmvtuZDtC6AVE7ZQ5yKWyAkaUSTr+QFakrnt21wkEkpw+5jjoaYFHkbtjU4CLzVHgJj0GNsd/qSFTgiqyq+2hDKDEwbV1rOS6qhStTXIMyryKdd3oJgAbMdQCrqO6b2xR4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=Il2x9slMUxC+D+srfwHcvx+MdIKLssxlLnq5esn8GMkqHy08+u72FFa0mggq7+aScURDnL9soeaGeLRSGiN+mOHj17c8M8s2UitFg5z5Retl8FEBJo520l8ci9e9lZVjU1DHI4/1Q3Wsm0+4VKpkbOkpYU4U8KgeLU2VDpNU+mI= Message-ID: Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2007 17:19:20 +0100 From: "Raul Bonell" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: very special floor-based looper In-Reply-To: <025801c82476$04c96ef0$7db0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_7507_170039.1194797960341" References: <001b01c8245f$35160df0$1001a8c0@succubus> <025801c82476$04c96ef0$7db0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Resent-Message-ID: <9TTYzD.A.nWG.JuyNHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76264 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2007 16:19:21 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_7507_170039.1194797960341 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline 2007/11/11, Krispen Hartung : > > Although, the MUSE > Receptor, if it could run Mobius would be very cool. > > Kris > So it doesn't can... anybody could run any vst looper inside that box? Raul. -- The Playing Orchestra: http://www.telefonica.net/web2/tpo Chain Tape Collective: http://www.ct-collective.com TPO at myspace: http://www.myspace.com/theplayingorchestra ------=_Part_7507_170039.1194797960341 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline

        2007/11/11, Krispen Hartung <khartung@cableone.net>:
        Although, the MUSE
        Receptor, if it could run Mobius would be very cool.

        Kris

        So it doesn't can... anybody could run any vst looper inside that box?

        Raul.

        --
        The Playing Orchestra: http://www.telefonica.net/web2/tpo
        Chain Tape Collective: http://www.ct-collective.com
        TPO at myspace: http://www.myspace.com/theplayingorchestra ------=_Part_7507_170039.1194797960341-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 11 16:19:46 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D6D783BECF; Sun, 11 Nov 2007 16:19:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2007 11:19:43 EST Subject: Re: RC-50 and Speed Control To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_d66.19f026f7.3468859f_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 293 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: <2Ig81B.A.NbG.iuyNHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76265 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2007 16:19:46 +0000 (UTC) --part1_d66.19f026f7.3468859f_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 11/11/07 10:15:46 AM, khartung@cableone.net writes: > Where is that damn Rang III? > kris.....i had heard that december is the release date but you know how that is.....this is all hearsay.....i don't think boomerang music has made an OFFICIAL statement yet, i to, wait with bated breath.....i do like your quest for the simple life, didn't PARIS do a show on that?.....my kit is down to an old tape recorder mic into my rang-a-roonie into my recorder, of course this is for CT-ACOUSTIC II but i'm diggin it!.....i'm ready to sell the rest!.....:).....m "raise em to eat em!".....scoots galore "THOUGHTS ON PETS" www.ct-collective.com http://mysite.verizon.net/vzepmeci/ http://www.myspace.com/klobuchar11 ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com --part1_d66.19f026f7.3468859f_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
        In a message dated 11/11/07 10:15:46 AM, khartung@cableone.net writes:


        Where is that damn Ra= ng III?


        kris.....i had heard that december is the release date but you know how t= hat is.....this is all hearsay.....i don't think boomerang music has made an= OFFICIAL statement yet, i to, wait with bated breath.....i do like your que= st for the simple life, didn't PARIS do a show on that?.....my kit is down t= o an old tape recorder mic into my rang-a-roonie into my recorder, of course= this is for CT-ACOUSTIC II but i'm diggin it!.....i'm ready to sell the res= t!.....:).....m




        "raise em to eat em!".....scoots galore "THOUGHTS ON PETS"

        www.ct-collective.com
        http://mysite.verizon.net/vzepmeci/
        http://www.myspace.com/klobuchar11




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        See what's=20= new at http://www.aol.com --part1_d66.19f026f7.3468859f_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 11 16:33:33 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5FE7E3BEC5; Sun, 11 Nov 2007 16:33:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=6wM7wP6WSf714zVZiBMBswsmXhQka/jjVJIh4FCAXho=; b=uSkCOadEiTrnF29m+nyd9+Ls4cktnZrJH+16vtAr7UtAffMWkIKIubyz/kk7nC7KiHFgFN+cG5nN53NkNg9BXXZgOih6rt2c0fhfH797cKm2WllV/1G9SUJ+AItN81Fi97qaE0BPoL8zWfRtD07JBMMbAd87clgJmYXwTF8ffdo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=LYLTVFn8OBxn81asix1NISoLPgS92zhoQmh0B67Wdf02q7fSqPa7gRPKc0UEAnooic6+HtWMKrg36oDh1JOPZd6Up79eTmpPkD9izzTTtlI31MWPEdyTuKyOvYSwtCRlSGBKNMf2br3EEMl/YZ1SnF+npg4uVGqZPkfovPsVuZY= Message-ID: Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2007 08:33:31 -0800 From: "Travis Hartnett" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: RC-50 and Speed Control In-Reply-To: <025101c82475$b31e9a80$7db0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <743676.45805.qm@web38612.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <025101c82475$b31e9a80$7db0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76266 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2007 16:33:33 +0000 (UTC) The Boomerange website says that it's scheduled for December 2007 release, for what that's worth. On the other hand, it has no MIDI. It does have some DIN-6 connectors for syncing to other Boomerange III pedals. Description from the Boomerang website: ****** "This powerful pedal continues the Boomerang tradition of a simple user interface but adds many new features customers have requested. It records in true stereo (or mono) with 6 independent loops that can be played sequentially (verse/chorus/bridge) or simultaneously. In the latter mode the loops may be synched or played independently. After the primary loop is recorded, there are 3 additional layers that can be recorded. The layers can be silenced, played or re-recorded. Additional material may be stacked on (added to) any of the layers. This provides a multilevel undo/redo capability. The user can assign a number of interesting and useful functions to a "Bonus" button. We anticipate having the following functions, and possibly more: loop extend, loop copy, octave down effect (for bass line creation), metronome with loop quantize, reverse playback, reverse lead live, auto fade out and layer merging (combining all layers to free up memory). There are two sample rates, 48 and 24 kHz; sample width is 20 bits and no compression is used. This provides up to 18 1/2 minutes of recording in mono. A pedal linking system is provided so multiple units may be synched. As with our earlier models there will be no MIDI or USB connectivity, and no permanent storage of loops. There are four 1/4" phone jacks for true stereo operation. However when used in mono mode the output jacks can function in a variety of ways: 1) Instrument & loop out Left, nothing out Right 2) Instrument & loop out Left, loop only out Right 3) Instrument only out Left, loop only out Right The Boomerang(R) III chassis is the same wedge shape as the original but smaller. It's footprint is 5 7/8" (front to back) by 9 3/8" (side to side); it's 2 1/8" tall and weighs 2 lb. 11 oz. We will insure that the pedal is easy to operate and as intuitive as the current one, but it will be deeper if you want to explore the new features." On Nov 11, 2007 7:15 AM, Krispen Hartung wrote: > Where is that damn Rang III?!! It has an expression pedal out, MIDI, stereo > in/out...etc....I want one now, even if I don't use it all of the time. > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 11 16:41:01 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CB89D3BED2; Sun, 11 Nov 2007 16:41:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=e+9t1Fa0Xdk1QpOhalgi6Atltuvd3COsJHQr1CRCHYo=; b=PWnNfPF07UHT5NmOXs3bRepCrtbrJGeRYIZqyYOkQNb/tkmVn67nqWkFh1tuSt5kQyfrs5AP2xDGApRIcz8YLhhqHTkFiXhoIlGnHgEG/yFaNFitw8V/7NjY3VUqzw3ZusQSidAHOhvSVJzgN+9j/nCragiSHCbQpGpLJHIc/TA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=QuGRkRcGJOqKci7pQQUzGOEtwxypYsfonjbk6E/mfJTjbLtyUJ8FC9jXFxCNV1kpViGjfYcPImZlOnZewm8xDUkjddL5DF2qq3601EVn7q+1qETyRhIvN+tKfBagoGbaIstzeou4lHhhyBex9oE6JXakrRZ0cbwPAKM2AP/dsqU= Message-ID: Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2007 08:40:59 -0800 From: "Travis Hartnett" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: RC-50 and Speed Control In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <743676.45805.qm@web38612.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <025101c82475$b31e9a80$7db0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76267 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2007 16:41:01 +0000 (UTC) Actually, looking at the Boomerang site, they may be MIDI-style DIN-5 connectors in actuality. The drawing for the rear panel shows six connectors, but the photo of their Chorus/Delay pedal shows DIN-5, and the manual for that pedal specifies that MIDI cables may be used to connect the new series of Boomerang pedals so that preset changes on one are transmitted to other pedals. But it sounds like you shouldn't expect MIDI functionality from those ports: "Pedal Link=99 System This and other dual function Boomerang(R) pedals can be linked using an optional Boomerang(R) Pedal Link=99 cable so that storing or recalling a preset on one will store or recall it on all pedals. Two or more Boomerang(R) pedals can be linked to form a complete effects system using the two identical Pedal Link=99 connectors on the rear panel. NOTE =96 The Pedal Link=99 connectors are not MIDI connectors=85 exactly." TH On Nov 11, 2007 8:33 AM, Travis Hartnett wrote: > The Boomerange website says that it's scheduled for December 2007 > release, for what that's worth. > > On the other hand, it has no MIDI. 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        From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 11 16:53:26 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E9B143BEE8; Sun, 11 Nov 2007 16:53:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <47373375.7060200@post.cybercity.dk> Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2007 17:53:09 +0100 From: van Sinn Organization: van Sinn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: very special floor-based looper References: <001b01c8245f$35160df0$1001a8c0@succubus> <025801c82476$04c96ef0$7db0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> In-Reply-To: <025801c82476$04c96ef0$7db0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76268 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2007 16:53:25 +0000 (UTC) Krispen Hartung wrote: > But I still have to boot the damn thing up, worry about other common PC > problems, connect it to the LED display, a decent audio > interface...that's already far more complicated than plugging into a > floor looper that you turn on in 1 second and start playing. It's just > not appealing to me. I would prefer to stay with the laptop over that > option. Although, the MUSE Receptor, if it could run Mobius would be > very cool. With a small USB touchscreen and all readily mounted/connected in a small rack, floorbox or whatever, nada connection hazzles, except for the cable between the rack and floor controls (in my case). No fiddling with lauching apps nessesary, as you'd already have that configured in a boot profile. I'm not going to ditch my ADA MP-2, TSR24S and Vortex, but WRT playing softsynths and doing the looping, drift more and more towards either an embedded system or a MacIntel Mini with MainStage and a SW looper. Combined with a Gordius controller, all will be software upgradable, even with one or two FCB1010's as slaves, as they'll have the original functional software replaced to function purely as buttons and swells. >> And then went on: >> >>> I work at the computer 10-14 hours a day, and sometimes the >>> last thing I want to look at when performing is another >>> computer. Sometimes I dream of a day when I go to a looping >> >> >> That's why I suggested some kind of embedded computer system. Really >> have a >> computer without keyboard, mouse, or computer screen - just focus on >> something that will boot from a solid state disc, have very small, >> reduced >> installation (is there a MAX/MSP for Linux btw - you can configure these >> systems so they really boot in no time). The digital logic microspace >> computers are the size of a Boss VF-1, and then you'd add some LED >> display >> components and some foot switches, and have a system that boots up and is >> running in less than 10 seconds. -- rgds, van Sinn From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 11 16:59:53 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C0DDE3BEDD; Sun, 11 Nov 2007 16:59:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=wB3ygBGw8qdPCy3ahUCDsWYvwEZKEZEYfzdlkBQnR6w=; b=a689EZhAdRU2TqVaQjUsroSVBQTF1pGzUpf/HRgUx0+B6eZR7WoQ/q+6ryRoaBue+nTz2fSitpOym4XIl0wpZj6JS7DR2wSRbH2ZhH4bEJ1eVsezKRSG58BrhNfOzhahRzp1av89H1R0n+JAGlXB1qbcBDjyeYg0xKKkh0qMOS0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=dufy74nLXYz1mUsLyYDsGH5LWF1EAhb7VI60Yzp+MedStG7ULCFiwYoRecpHlYNsekdrJH0i0TQxOfBHfs6SlAHBWK7i4rbNNB5Zv24/zXbMLFuXddHjaOfedqiqUMPpkWb3K8HZmNhLfDVaoODzammZw1RvEdyftku41uubZVo= Message-ID: Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2007 08:59:51 -0800 From: "Travis Hartnett" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: very special floor-based looper In-Reply-To: <47373375.7060200@post.cybercity.dk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <001b01c8245f$35160df0$1001a8c0@succubus> <025801c82476$04c96ef0$7db0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <47373375.7060200@post.cybercity.dk> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76269 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2007 16:59:53 +0000 (UTC) How much did it cost to put together that computer system? TH On Nov 11, 2007 8:53 AM, van Sinn wrote: > With a small USB touchscreen and all readily mounted/connected in a > small rack, floorbox or whatever, nada connection hazzles, except for > the cable between the rack and floor controls (in my case). > No fiddling with lauching apps nessesary, as you'd already have that > configured in a boot profile. > > Combined with a Gordius controller, all will be software upgradable, > even with one or two FCB1010's as slaves, as they'll have the original > functional software replaced to function purely as buttons and swells. > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 11 17:01:12 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EFCE93BEEC; Sun, 11 Nov 2007 17:01:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <028e01c82484$752ff7a0$7db0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <001b01c8245f$35160df0$1001a8c0@succubus> <025801c82476$04c96ef0$7db0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Subject: Re: very special floor-based looper Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2007 10:01:09 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_028B_01C82449.C865DAB0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76270 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2007 17:01:11 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_028B_01C82449.C865DAB0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I thought I recall reading somewhere that the Receptor would not run = free VSTs, but only purchased or whoever they worked with on = integration. My opinion...this is totally asinine, if true, and folks = should storm the Bastille to change it. :) 2007/11/11, Krispen Hartung : Although, the MUSE Receptor, if it could run Mobius would be very cool. Kris So it doesn't can... anybody could run any vst looper inside that box? Raul. ------=_NextPart_000_028B_01C82449.C865DAB0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
        I thought I recall reading somewhere = that the=20 Receptor would not run free VSTs, but only purchased or whoever they = worked with=20 on integration.  My opinion...this is totally asinine, if true, and = folks=20 should storm the Bastille to change it. :)

        2007/11/11, Krispen Hartung <khartung@cableone.net>:
        Although,=20 the MUSE
        Receptor, if it could run Mobius would be very=20 cool.

        Kris

        So it doesn't can... = anybody could=20 run any vst looper inside that box?

        Raul. ------=_NextPart_000_028B_01C82449.C865DAB0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 11 17:05:56 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7A56E3BEDE; Sun, 11 Nov 2007 17:05:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=zk9cs5yLbFtsU/shHWlr8loHGEv87pCMu5NnJxebXlQ=; b=bfgXEdVjcOQdeDkxNQ05z/4lCiEQofP9e5D/Z+dbE4Vxnl22mKVGLjWAQXCR0qzJNlBdTAf3q7dQJmPMrA61rCmzU8U7NBZ+EIpuC+MF/6lxTtCyjrMUX6JiKLRQaQw/a9o8+O6LbYKfEaLsDAw2uQTeY0o9DJnNq2L/T5/fjdo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=tousgoSW3rB34pVrWJbTgA8rUbQkHYQPgrpP0vInrul/lrerNzpNXVtZan/tr0QvrxlU/PrDgEDl0aIQLoAV4O6KwgXuovAhGTfObOGAHXzcP8WDhJEYydJzG2HdbqgbnH8zicyeHUS6KJDgND3SG/U2o7zoVG53XWJGfoFg0ck= Message-ID: Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2007 09:05:54 -0800 From: "Travis Hartnett" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: very special floor-based looper In-Reply-To: <028e01c82484$752ff7a0$7db0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <001b01c8245f$35160df0$1001a8c0@succubus> <025801c82476$04c96ef0$7db0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <028e01c82484$752ff7a0$7db0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76271 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2007 17:05:56 +0000 (UTC) >From the Receptor FAQ: Can I use VSTs I've already purchased with Receptor? [-] It depends. Receptor runs Windows-format DLLs, so if you have a Windows version of a VST, it may run on the box. Although the actual plug-ins are identical, their installation methods are different than with a Windows-based computer. At this point, the majority of popular 3rd-party plugins can be installed on Receptor via Receptor's "user installable" plugin technique. This website and plugorama.com will both maintain lists of plugins that can be installed in this way. Many plugins, of course, have also been "Receptorized", meaning they can be downloaded and purchased directly from plugorama.com. If you own a plugin for which a "Receptorized" version exists, the developer likely offers a low-cost or no-cost "cross-grade" to the Receptorized version of their plugin. What if I have the Mac version of a VST plugin? [-] Receptor will not run Macintosh plugins directly. However, the majority of plugins that run on the Macintosh also have Windows versions. Check with this website, or plugorama.com, to see if a Receptorized version of the plugin exists. Or, if not, see if Receptor supports installation of the Windows version. Again, most developers make versions of plugins in both Mac and Windows format, so you likely already own a Windows version of a plugin, even if you use a Mac. On Nov 11, 2007 9:01 AM, Krispen Hartung wrote: > > > I thought I recall reading somewhere that the Receptor would not run free > VSTs, but only purchased or whoever they worked with on integration. My > opinion...this is totally asinine, if true, and folks should storm the > Bastille to change it. :) > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 11 17:10:17 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AB74C3BEC5; Sun, 11 Nov 2007 17:10:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <029901c82485$bada2d10$7db0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <743676.45805.qm@web38612.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <025101c82475$b31e9a80$7db0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Subject: Re: RC-50 and Speed Control Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2007 10:10:15 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="Windows-1252"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76272 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2007 17:10:17 +0000 (UTC) That's too bad. Oh well. Kris *** Actually, looking at the Boomerang site, they may be MIDI-style DIN-5 connectors in actuality. The drawing for the rear panel shows six connectors, but the photo of their Chorus/Delay pedal shows DIN-5, and the manual for that pedal specifies that MIDI cables may be used to connect the new series of Boomerang pedals so that preset changes on one are transmitted to other pedals. But it sounds like you shouldn't expect MIDI functionality from those ports: From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 11 18:15:39 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6536A3BEE2; Sun, 11 Nov 2007 18:15:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 381 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Sun, 11 Nov 2007 18:15:39 UTC From: loopbozo@comcast.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Did Rick Walker gave up looping? Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2007 18:09:16 +0000 Message-Id: <111120071809.26252.4737454C0007E8C30000668C22058844840196010D9F010104@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Oct 30 2007) X-Authenticated-Sender: bG9vcGJvem9AY29tY2FzdC5uZXQ= MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_26252_1194804556_0" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76273 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2007 18:15:39 +0000 (UTC) --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_26252_1194804556_0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Perhaps the real "money" lies in live looping while stripping, a real artistic synergy that could bring both art forms to a higher level for audient and perfromer alike.You might feature "laptop" versus "hardware" dancing that could always be thrown into reverse if the crowd gets ugly about it. Just tuck those dollar bills under your guitar strap(leather of course) and laugh all the way to the bank. Or not............. bryan helm -- Music and Mosaics bryanhelm.wordpress.com -------------- Original message -------------- From: "Rick Walker" > Daryl asked: > "Do your wares come in lime green?" > > > Well, actually, since I have begun the 'answer' record to > Translucent Dayglo Lime Green Plastic (my first and only > live looping CD) which will be called > Transcluent Dayglo Orange Plastic", I will be offering > all of my wared in both lime green AND orange. > > That's just because that's the kind of guy that I am. > > and with variable mortgages raising at an alarming rate, > you have me thinking about this Carlot/Harlot morph > for my business. > > I have a friend in the goth scene who is a stripper who just > got paid $30,000, room and board to go strip in Guam for > three months. > > I'm thinking of doing this job myself. > > Don't you think the service men and women in Guam could use > a middleaged topless looping guy with a middleaged gut to dance for them? > > I specialize in the Lambada, forbidden dance of LUV. > > HAWT!!!!!! HAWT!!!!!!!! HAWT!!!!!!!!!!!!! > --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_26252_1194804556_0 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
        Perhaps the real "money" lies in live looping while stripping, a real artistic synergy that could bring both art forms to a higher level for audient and perfromer alike.You might feature "laptop" versus "hardware" dancing that could always be thrown into reverse if the crowd gets ugly about it. Just tuck those dollar bills under your guitar strap(leather of course) and laugh all the way to the bank. Or not.............
         
                                                                                    bryan helm
         
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        -------------- Original message --------------
        From: "Rick Walker" <looppool@cruzio.com>

        > Daryl asked:
        > "Do your wares come in lime green?"
        >
        >
        > Well, actually, since I have begun the 'answer' record to
        > Translucent Dayglo Lime Green Plastic (my first and only
        > live looping CD) which will be called
        > Transcluent Dayglo Orange Plastic", I will be offering
        > all of my wared in both lime green AND orange.
        >
        > That's just because that's the kind of guy that I am.
        >
        > and with variable mortgages raising at an alarming rate,
        > you have me thinking about this Carlot/Harlot morph
        > for my business.
        >
        > I have a friend in the goth scene who is a stripper who just
        > got paid $30,000, room and board to go strip in Guam for
        > three months.
        >
        > I'm thinking of doing this job myself.
        >
        > Don't you think the service men and women in Guam could use
        > a middleaged topless looping guy with a middleaged gut to dance for them?
        >
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        From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 11 18:59:59 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6C22C3BEE1; Sun, 11 Nov 2007 18:59:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4737511F.806@post.cybercity.dk> Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2007 19:59:43 +0100 From: van Sinn Organization: van Sinn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: very special floor-based looper References: <001b01c8245f$35160df0$1001a8c0@succubus> <025801c82476$04c96ef0$7db0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <47373375.7060200@post.cybercity.dk> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76274 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2007 18:59:59 +0000 (UTC) Travis Hartnett wrote: > How much did it cost to put together that computer system? Oh sorry, I may've put it in a wrong fashion. I don't have this; was merely replying to the comments of having to set up, connect et al.. I've been giving this quite some thoughts, though. The touch screen carries some price penalty. A friend of mine bought one some two years ago for his home cinema system (Windblows Mediacenter), and it wasn't inexpensive. Dunno about prices today. A mobo for an embedded system can be had decently. Boxing it don't have to have good looks, if mounted in a rig. The MacIntel Mini I've considered may beef up the price, but will allow running MainStage without having to hazzle with Linux. No pun intended, it's just that with 11+ years with it, I'd prefer not having to deal with getting VST's and soundfonts (for synth/organs) et al.. working. A touchpanel isn't needed to run it, but IMHO desirable when touring; I certainly wouldn't wan't to be stranded backstage before playing asking "got a problem; anyone have a monitor, keyboard and mouse?" :-D Anyways, so far I only have the guitar gear and two FCB1010's, which is why I've been asking Q's about HW and SW loopers ;) > On Nov 11, 2007 8:53 AM, van Sinn wrote: > > >>With a small USB touchscreen and all readily mounted/connected in a >>small rack, floorbox or whatever, nada connection hazzles, except for >>the cable between the rack and floor controls (in my case). >>No fiddling with lauching apps nessesary, as you'd already have that >>configured in a boot profile. >> >> >>Combined with a Gordius controller, all will be software upgradable, >>even with one or two FCB1010's as slaves, as they'll have the original >>functional software replaced to function purely as buttons and swells. -- rgds, van Sinn From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 11 19:09:29 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F02E63BEDE; Sun, 11 Nov 2007 19:09:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=FXQaYxifPyGfF4eSvcZgHEielrZvwjGuKMQE0dNm3WI=; b=qmylwx4T6bsTx0IN34W4oftpIOEr0Oj5L0I7u9AIla1yDNr09kntFPHwAxlXF+241BUHhO2/b6cvwwLEGxK2nV8KdcGtYWyb5CUwEcA0nXKlqW89K0LXZwbpL2MJDzGPdQk5SkeqfvX+LUDbsnt2952ScmpYOfK7qWj6axD5MhM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=Gefo8UnULjbcXsKTEIYVgFQcaf6mpIOqh4NZvtQDXS17gPH09X+pN2e1z5PJrR0tna48ha1ThKBB05c67h7Dmj2hxHgKnIJRgGSp279XQ233DHtaK55XtMiYgWSh0+NQR2cUYLT1W1M/PcVP4zrGKH1RzGUOSouI+F1d1bX8FRU= Message-ID: Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2007 11:09:25 -0800 From: "Travis Hartnett" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: very special floor-based looper In-Reply-To: <4737511F.806@post.cybercity.dk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <001b01c8245f$35160df0$1001a8c0@succubus> <025801c82476$04c96ef0$7db0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <47373375.7060200@post.cybercity.dk> <4737511F.806@post.cybercity.dk> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76275 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2007 19:09:28 +0000 (UTC) So, I'm guessing a thousand dollars, or more? Anyone have any hands-on experience with this? TH On Nov 11, 2007 10:59 AM, van Sinn wrote: > Travis Hartnett wrote: > > How much did it cost to put together that computer system? > > Oh sorry, I may've put it in a wrong fashion. I don't have this; was > merely replying to the comments of having to set up, connect et al.. > I've been giving this quite some thoughts, though. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 11 20:08:32 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B104A3BEDD; Sun, 11 Nov 2007 20:08:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com In-Reply-To: <028e01c82484$752ff7a0$7db0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> References: <001b01c8245f$35160df0$1001a8c0@succubus> <025801c82476$04c96ef0$7db0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <028e01c82484$752ff7a0$7db0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <77535F23-5482-49E2-B0D6-CBEF77DB01A4@zonemobius.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Jeffrey Larson Subject: Re: very special floor-based looper Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2007 14:08:18 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - esc25.midphase.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - zonemobius.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76276 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2007 20:08:32 +0000 (UTC) > I thought I recall reading somewhere that the Receptor would not run > free VSTs, but only purchased or whoever they worked with on > integration. The Receptor is basically a Linux PC with a few OS modifications to make it boot faster into their custom VST host application. It uses some sort of "virtualization" technology to run Windows DLLs. I haven't looked at it in detail but if you write the plugin so that it only uses the VST and VSTGUI libraries and doesn't make any unusual calls to the Windows OS (managing its own threads, opening devices, touching files) then the plugins may work. I would imagine that the vast sea of plugins built in Synthedit will work which is probably why they can claim to support "the majority" of 3rd party plugins. Unfortunately many plugins don't follow these rules and they have to be ported. Mobius is one of these. > My opinion...this is totally asinine, if true, and folks > should storm the Bastille to change it. :) Yes, on the surface this sounds like a supremely dumb design choice. Build a device that can only run Windows DLLs, but doesn't actually run Windows, so developers have yet another platform to support. I hope there were good reasons for doing this, perhaps it is difficult to make Windows run well on hardware like this, maybe there were licensing issues. I'm sure there were OS modifications they could do to Linux to make it more reliable that could never be done to Windows. The Open Labs people seem to have solved these problems, from what I've ready it's basically a Windows PC wrapped in a synth-like case. But they've got more surface area for a screen and a keyboard, so that probably makes it easier. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 11 20:21:05 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4536E3BEEA; Sun, 11 Nov 2007 20:21:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <02cc01c824a0$61714680$7db0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <001b01c8245f$35160df0$1001a8c0@succubus> <025801c82476$04c96ef0$7db0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <47373375.7060200@post.cybercity.dk> <4737511F.806@post.cybercity.dk> Subject: Re: very special floor-based looper Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2007 13:21:01 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76277 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2007 20:21:05 +0000 (UTC) I'm just confused as the pragmatic difference between lugging a desktop computer box around, with a touch screen connected to it, maybe an external audio interface, and a MIDI controller....and simply bringing a laptop and an interface and MIDI controller. Not much difference to me...both revolve around the PC, which is what has been sucking the artistic energy out of me Remember the sci-fi movie, Lifeforce? Remember that beautiful brunet/alien who was walking around, baring her breasts, seducing men, and sucking the life out of them? Yeah, that's the laptop/max/reaktor for me. It's just so damn seductive I can't say no, but it drains me. :) Kris From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 11 20:24:11 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E40A43BEEA; Sun, 11 Nov 2007 20:24:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <473764DA.9080104@post.cybercity.dk> Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2007 21:23:54 +0100 From: van Sinn Organization: van Sinn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: very special floor-based looper References: <001b01c8245f$35160df0$1001a8c0@succubus> <025801c82476$04c96ef0$7db0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <028e01c82484$752ff7a0$7db0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <77535F23-5482-49E2-B0D6-CBEF77DB01A4@zonemobius.com> In-Reply-To: <77535F23-5482-49E2-B0D6-CBEF77DB01A4@zonemobius.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76278 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2007 20:24:10 +0000 (UTC) Jeffrey Larson wrote: > > > My opinion...this is totally asinine, if true, and folks > > should storm the Bastille to change it. :) > > Yes, on the surface this sounds like a supremely dumb design choice. > Build a device that can only run Windows DLLs, but doesn't actually > run Windows, so developers have yet another platform to support. I > hope there were good reasons for doing this, perhaps it is difficult > to make Windows run well on hardware like this, maybe there were > licensing issues. I'm sure there were OS modifications they could do > to Linux to make it more reliable that could never be done to Windows. AFAIR from the first product, most things non-Linux was licenced stufff with their (part) own wrappers, that had to be paid for. I was resently corrected WRT VST on Linux et al.., which I didn't know was opensourced (though on a license). At least no VST implementation existed back then, readily available to developers for general use. I'll just zip it for now, else I'll get myself on too thin ice ;) -- rgds, van Sinn From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 11 20:32:01 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D55263BEE4; Sun, 11 Nov 2007 20:32:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <473766B2.5010100@post.cybercity.dk> Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2007 21:31:46 +0100 From: van Sinn Organization: van Sinn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: very special floor-based looper References: <001b01c8245f$35160df0$1001a8c0@succubus> <025801c82476$04c96ef0$7db0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <47373375.7060200@post.cybercity.dk> <4737511F.806@post.cybercity.dk> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76279 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2007 20:32:01 +0000 (UTC) Travis Hartnett wrote: > So, I'm guessing a thousand dollars, or more? Anyone have any > hands-on experience with this? Those building home cinema projects.. - should be quite a few ;) Somewhere I have some links to such sites; maybe a bit dated info, but the sites should still be fine. I'll poke my hard drive.. Really, it's basically the same hardware, except that 'our' project will have more digital routing and possibly a different audio interface with more analog and digital I/O's. Most likely 7.1 isn't in demand here.. > On Nov 11, 2007 10:59 AM, van Sinn wrote: > >>Travis Hartnett wrote: >> >>>How much did it cost to put together that computer system? >> >>Oh sorry, I may've put it in a wrong fashion. I don't have this; was >>merely replying to the comments of having to set up, connect et al.. >>I've been giving this quite some thoughts, though. -- rgds, van Sinn From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 11 20:35:59 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C718A3BEEC; Sun, 11 Nov 2007 20:35:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <041d01c824a2$76db8920$7db0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <044801c81ff6$2003e080$52b4ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <99DED0A1-010F-4892-A75F-6617697E3184@gmail.com> Subject: Re: Scripting/Command Chaining in the Max/MSP Kaiser Looper Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2007 13:35:56 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: <8KBkYC.A.qrC.ue2NHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76280 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2007 20:35:59 +0000 (UTC) Back to this, and Per's ideas below. With exception of sync, which I don't do, I can do this stuff in max, but I approach the problem differently. I may need Jeff Larson to chime in here. With Mobius, I do recall doing things like hitting half speed, overdubbing, and then when I played back the overdub, it would be in double-speed...and I did all sorts of scripts in Mobius that did this in various combos, etc. I am not sure what is going on with buffers in Mobius when this happens. I take it a new buffer is created when a new overdub track is created? With my max looper, what I would do to achieve the same result as overdubbing in half-speed and then having that overdub play back in double-speed, is to simply start recording a new track (creates a new buffer), and then when I play that track back, it have double-speed kick in at the sam time. Or, if I want to do somethign like Bass Dots below, I would simply record a new track (buffer) and apply a chain in commands in max that do whatever pitch shifting I want in rhythmic fashion. The thing with my approach is that I don't have to hear my first track playing in half speed while I record a new buffer that will paly back with varying pitch cycles. So....Jeff, can you explain what happens with the buffers in Mobius when you hit half speed before overdubbing, overdub, and then playback in double-speed. Doesn't everything essentially require a new buffer? In max, this is just out in the open for me to see and manipulate. Kris > Rising Sounds: > Start at two octaves pitch up (may use "double-double-speed", "Rate Shift > = 24" or whatever you may call it). Then activate overdub mode and lower > the pitch; first rapidly but the lower the pitch gets the slower the > pitch-fall should go (this is to compensate for the speed change to make > the recorded pitch change happen at a steady pace). The complete > procedure should go on for at least half a minute, then when reaching two > octaves down overdub mode should stop and the pitch should go back to > normal while the loop is retriggered from the beginning in sync with > parallel loops (if working with sync). > > Whining Halloweeny: > Same as above, but with a faster sine wave shaped pitch/rate shifting > curve that goes up and down many times during overdubbing. > > Bass Dots: > Pitch up the loop two octaves, overdub very shortly and then go back to > normal. The short audio region overdubbed should now sound as percussive > bass hit in the loop. (In Mobius I also take down the rate under normal > for a short while, after overdubbing shortly at +24; just to keep the > loops timing steady, sort of compensating for the loop going faster when > at +24. > > Hope that will keep you happily busy for a while... ;-) > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > www.looproom.com (international) > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 11 20:45:05 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 840073BEDA; Sun, 11 Nov 2007 20:45:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <473769C2.8020604@post.cybercity.dk> Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2007 21:44:50 +0100 From: van Sinn Organization: van Sinn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: very special floor-based looper References: <001b01c8245f$35160df0$1001a8c0@succubus> <025801c82476$04c96ef0$7db0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <47373375.7060200@post.cybercity.dk> <4737511F.806@post.cybercity.dk> <02cc01c824a0$61714680$7db0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> In-Reply-To: <02cc01c824a0$61714680$7db0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76281 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2007 20:45:05 +0000 (UTC) Krispen Hartung wrote: > I'm just confused as the pragmatic difference between lugging a desktop > computer box around, with a touch screen connected to it, maybe an > external audio interface, and a MIDI controller....and simply bringing a > laptop and an interface and MIDI controller. Not much difference to > me...both revolve around the PC, which is what has been sucking the > artistic energy out of me You're absolutely right! except that the black box being discussed, once finished, may not aspire to poking all nite long, as it should be configured as a ready-to-use thingy. At least AFAIC, but YMMV.. > Remember the sci-fi movie, Lifeforce? Remember that beautiful > brunet/alien who was walking around, baring her breasts, seducing men, > and sucking the life out of them? Yeah, that's the laptop/max/reaktor > for me. It's just so damn seductive I can't say no, but it drains me. :) Point taken. Doing sys/netadm, I prefer being off that hook in my spare time. Then of cause there's this guitar rig.. and the studio stuff.. The real problem here is that a finished/shopped product only allows us to dive in so an so deep. The PC solution on the other hand.. difficult to just do what's needed and say "yup, it works, now close the toolbox" -- rgds, van Sinn From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 11 21:07:47 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 900533BEE1; Sun, 11 Nov 2007 21:07:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Qua Veda" To: References: <001b01c8245f$35160df0$1001a8c0@succubus> <025801c82476$04c96ef0$7db0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <47373375.7060200@post.cybercity.dk> <4737511F.806@post.cybercity.dk> <02cc01c824a0$61714680$7db0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <473769C2.8020604@post.cybercity.dk> In-Reply-To: <473769C2.8020604@post.cybercity.dk> Subject: RE: very special floor-based looper Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2007 13:08:10 -0800 Message-ID: <000301c824a6$f749a930$e5dcfb90$@com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: Acgko8mQK1UXWAdRS4uy9nMhXSHi1AAAtCrQ Content-Language: en-us X-RBL-Warning: REVDNS: This E-mail was sent from a MUA/MTA 206.212.233.27 with no reverse DNS entry. X-Declude-Sender: qua@oregon.com [206.212.233.27] X-Declude-Spoolname: D6f2a021a000032ae.smd X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude JunkMail (www.declude.com) for spam. Resent-Message-ID: <48FfHC.A.ySE.j82NHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76282 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2007 21:07:47 +0000 (UTC) We're on the verge of some nice ultra-mobile PCs hitting the market. It would be interesting to see if they will have the power/features you need, but then they'd still need an audio interface etc... oh well... -Qua -----Original Message----- From: van Sinn [mailto:vansinn@post.cybercity.dk] Sent: Sunday, November 11, 2007 12:45 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: very special floor-based looper Krispen Hartung wrote: > I'm just confused as the pragmatic difference between lugging a desktop > computer box around, with a touch screen connected to it, maybe an > external audio interface, and a MIDI controller....and simply bringing a > laptop and an interface and MIDI controller. Not much difference to > me...both revolve around the PC, which is what has been sucking the > artistic energy out of me You're absolutely right! except that the black box being discussed, once finished, may not aspire to poking all nite long, as it should be configured as a ready-to-use thingy. At least AFAIC, but YMMV.. > Remember the sci-fi movie, Lifeforce? Remember that beautiful > brunet/alien who was walking around, baring her breasts, seducing men, > and sucking the life out of them? Yeah, that's the laptop/max/reaktor > for me. It's just so damn seductive I can't say no, but it drains me. :) Point taken. Doing sys/netadm, I prefer being off that hook in my spare time. Then of cause there's this guitar rig.. and the studio stuff.. The real problem here is that a finished/shopped product only allows us to dive in so an so deep. The PC solution on the other hand.. difficult to just do what's needed and say "yup, it works, now close the toolbox" -- rgds, van Sinn From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 11 21:40:47 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3E86A3BEE1; Sun, 11 Nov 2007 21:40:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <043301c824ab$83ff3fd0$7db0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <001b01c8245f$35160df0$1001a8c0@succubus> <025801c82476$04c96ef0$7db0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <47373375.7060200@post.cybercity.dk> <4737511F.806@post.cybercity.dk> <02cc01c824a0$61714680$7db0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <473769C2.8020604@post.cybercity.dk> Subject: Re: very special floor-based looper Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2007 14:40:44 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76283 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2007 21:40:47 +0000 (UTC) > difficult to just do what's needed and say "yup, it works, now close the > toolbox" > > -- > rgds, > van Sinn Yup, I follow you. My problem, at least in the PC world, is that the damn technology never lets you close the toolbox. :) k- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 11 21:50:55 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A59DA3BEE2; Sun, 11 Nov 2007 21:50:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: <1194549785.4733621959a69@webmail.musetrap.com> References: <20071108174110.3D2293BF18@arsenic.violacea.com> <47334D8A.9010401@mhorse.com> <20071108121814.6ru8ilm9pw80kwkc@69.89.21.76> <1194549785.4733621959a69@webmail.musetrap.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-25--385201016 Message-Id: From: Chuck Silva Subject: Re: Chinapainting article Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2007 16:50:47 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76284 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2007 21:50:55 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-25--385201016 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed I'm interested in NINJAM even though I don't know what it is??? :-) On Nov 8, 2007, at 2:23 PM, cpr@musetrap.com wrote: > NINJAM --Apple-Mail-25--385201016 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 I'm interested in=A0NINJAM even = though I don't know what it is??? :-)
        On Nov 8, 2007, at = 2:23 PM, cpr@musetrap.com = wrote:

        NINJAM


        = --Apple-Mail-25--385201016-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 11 22:26:12 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 327123BEDB; Sun, 11 Nov 2007 22:26:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <20071111162608.8z9ftpb3j4g4koos@69.89.21.76> Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2007 16:26:08 -0600 From: kkissinger@kevinkissinger.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: very special floor-based looper References: <001b01c8245f$35160df0$1001a8c0@succubus> <025801c82476$04c96ef0$7db0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <47373375.7060200@post.cybercity.dk> <4737511F.806@post.cybercity.dk> <02cc01c824a0$61714680$7db0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> In-Reply-To: <02cc01c824a0$61714680$7db0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.3) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - box76.bluehost.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - kevinkissinger.com Resent-Message-ID: <6ImmUB.A.Bs.DG4NHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76285 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2007 22:26:12 +0000 (UTC) Quoting Krispen Hartung : > I'm just confused as the pragmatic difference between lugging a desktop > computer box around, with a touch screen connected to it, maybe an > external audio interface, and a MIDI controller....and simply bringing > a laptop and an interface and MIDI controller. Not much difference to > me...both revolve around the PC, which is what has been sucking the > artistic energy out of me > > Remember the sci-fi movie, Lifeforce? Remember that beautiful > brunet/alien who was walking around, baring her breasts, seducing men, > and sucking the life out of them? Yeah, that's the laptop/max/reaktor > for me. It's just so damn seductive I can't say no, but it drains me. :) > > Kris Kris, The entire notion of a triumphant machine flexing its electronic =20 muscles while a lifeless musician lies at its feet is an idea that =20 deserves a musical interpretation. Perhaps this would make a great =20 theme for a new looped musical creation... :) -- Kevin From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 11 22:47:21 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 014493BEE4; Sun, 11 Nov 2007 22:47:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <47378669.5000108@post.cybercity.dk> Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2007 23:47:05 +0100 From: van Sinn Organization: van Sinn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: very special floor-based looper References: <001b01c8245f$35160df0$1001a8c0@succubus> <025801c82476$04c96ef0$7db0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <47373375.7060200@post.cybercity.dk> <4737511F.806@post.cybercity.dk> <02cc01c824a0$61714680$7db0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <20071111162608.8z9ftpb3j4g4koos@69.89.21.76> In-Reply-To: <20071111162608.8z9ftpb3j4g4koos@69.89.21.76> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76286 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2007 22:47:20 +0000 (UTC) kkissinger@kevinkissinger.com wrote: > Quoting Krispen Hartung : > >> I'm just confused as the pragmatic difference between lugging a desktop >> computer box around, with a touch screen connected to it, maybe an >> external audio interface, and a MIDI controller....and simply bringing >> a laptop and an interface and MIDI controller. Not much difference to >> me...both revolve around the PC, which is what has been sucking the >> artistic energy out of me >> >> Remember the sci-fi movie, Lifeforce? Remember that beautiful >> brunet/alien who was walking around, baring her breasts, seducing men, >> and sucking the life out of them? Yeah, that's the laptop/max/reaktor >> for me. It's just so damn seductive I can't say no, but it drains me. :) >> >> Kris > > > Kris, > > The entire notion of a triumphant machine flexing its electronic > muscles while a lifeless musician lies at its feet is an idea that > deserves a musical interpretation. Perhaps this would make a great > theme for a new looped musical creation... :) Fun you mention this.. what I especially like about my TSR24S and Vortex is the envelope followers, allowing me to dynamically vary tone and expression with playing style. While I like having both PC and CC buttons laid out for selection, this lets me focus on actually playing. The last thing I want is a mashine taking over my playing.. -- rgds, van Sinn From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 11 23:07:41 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3EC923BEE6; Sun, 11 Nov 2007 23:07:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2007 18:07:46 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: paul Subject: Re: very special floor-based looper In-Reply-To: <02cc01c824a0$61714680$7db0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> References: <001b01c8245f$35160df0$1001a8c0@succubus> <025801c82476$04c96ef0$7db0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <47373375.7060200@post.cybercity.dk> <4737511F.806@post.cybercity.dk> <02cc01c824a0$61714680$7db0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Message-Id: <20071111230735.D995424780@ns3.tnt21.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76287 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2007 23:07:41 +0000 (UTC) I totally understand what you're talking about. After using a rackmount computer for just over a year, I picked up a rc-50, no it doesn't come anywhere near what I could do with the computer, but in many ways I feel I'm being more creative because I don't have to spend a great deal of time thinking about what glitches are happening or about to happen with the computer. Paul Haslem www.dulcify.ca At 03:21 PM 11/11/2007, you wrote: >I'm just confused as the pragmatic difference between lugging a >desktop computer box around, with a touch screen connected to it, >maybe an external audio interface, and a MIDI controller....and >simply bringing a laptop and an interface and MIDI controller. Not >much difference to me...both revolve around the PC, which is what >has been sucking the artistic energy out of me > >Remember the sci-fi movie, Lifeforce? Remember that beautiful >brunet/alien who was walking around, baring her breasts, seducing >men, and sucking the life out of them? Yeah, that's the >laptop/max/reaktor for me. It's just so damn seductive I can't say >no, but it drains me. :) > >Kris From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 12 00:37:49 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 671293BEE4; Mon, 12 Nov 2007 00:37:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=5WWUCGU/4lR3U1Ut/sQQyzsoHtjI+O4tQYq9gWtjx/M=; b=in6VpmctTJpmGor2R9rJpweZ1LJHEVh+PEt+c9KCXPMO4ZwN35m+nBCkUNcYN27zfe7Zx/uiIXz4POMxzld73/5Br+6W8Wo/x9bkgfb3VECU1xCfZi+Xslgt2Hheh5fEtp0YBFN7SN+ZQ0RxErUhHPWkRUnUFeRu08Nm55QGM/E= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=TmwIqhikQz53U3nsxDWH+xcJ8OK9O8WOKRNcvpQ387tdvOX0RLKqrFgIkpUqR92Lrx7bPT5oTUBQNEWEfDQulaTtLTixiySZwI0KqVqVKkjIOnpRPJIBsUNxaw78ZzX+cnNJ7OPdVnI+9j98S9odBSKRpsZktYrS3ppy1yOx/5k= Message-ID: <9e0440a60711111637q7779084dpbd51a66fb50a2598@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2007 19:37:46 -0500 From: "Jim Goodin" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Chinapainting article In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <20071108174110.3D2293BF18@arsenic.violacea.com> <47334D8A.9010401@mhorse.com> <20071108121814.6ru8ilm9pw80kwkc@69.89.21.76> <1194549785.4733621959a69@webmail.musetrap.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76288 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2007 00:37:49 +0000 (UTC) Chuck NinJam is an open-source (meaning freely shared via the Net) software for both Mac and Windows computers which allows you to send/receive audio real-time via an Internet host server to another person or persons that you would do music with. There is a small amount of delay in the process but it's easily adjusted to after a few minutes into your interactive session. My music partner in Chinapainting, Daryl Shawn, and I have collaborated for over a year via NinJam. He lives in Mexico and I in New York. To get NinJam, goto www.ninjam.com and click on the Download menu at top of the home page. From there choose either the Mac or Windows client download. The installation is straightforward and once installed go into Ninjam Preferences and set your audio system input/output. That's about it. On the NinJam site there are 4 or 5 public hosts you can connect to. We connect to a private host that may be available in addition. Contact CPR via this list re that. When you use one of the public NJ servers by the way you can turn down others that are in the virtual room if you are interacting with someone specific, meaning just because there's more than yourself and whoever you might be interacting with, turning down the others will allow you to keep the session "private" to just your session I believe. Hope this helps, it's a wonderful Internet tool that has totally made our project possible as the article reflects. Jim Goodin www.chinapaintingmusic.com On 11/11/07, Chuck Silva wrote: > I'm interested in NINJAM even though I don't know what it is??? :-) > > On Nov 8, 2007, at 2:23 PM, cpr@musetrap.com wrote: > > > NINJAM > -- The Acoustic World Guitar of Jim Goodin - http://www.jimgoodinmusic.com MySpace (solo) - http://www.myspace.com/jimgoodinmusic Chinapainting - http://www.chinapaintingmusic.com Chinapainting on My Space - http://www.myspace.com/chinapaintingmusic.com The Jim Goodin label and home for 7 other creative souls - http://www.woodandwiremusic.com Jim Goodin uses GHS Strings - http://www.ghsstrings.com and Seagull Guitars - http://www.seagullguitars.com, Jim Goodin is published by Mel Bay Publications, Inc. - http://www.melbay.com Associates and friends on the web - Daryl Shawn - http://www.swanwelder.com Adam Werner - http://www.adamwerner.com John Stowell - http://www.johnstowell.com Matt Richards - http://www.mattrichardsmusic.net Michael Manring - http://www.manthing.com Will Ackerman - http://www.williamackerman.com New Land Music - http://www.newlandmusic.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 12 01:01:51 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E7CEC3BEE6; Mon, 12 Nov 2007 01:01:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <047901c824c7$9aef3940$7db0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <044201c824ab$e2203bf0$7db0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Subject: Re: Scripting/Command Chaining in the Max/MSP Kaiser Looper Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2007 17:30:53 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: <8pXdsB.A.RHC._X6NHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76289 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2007 01:01:51 +0000 (UTC) I just made this a lot better. Now, I can control the speed of the continuous pitch change and the values of beginning or end points with my expression pedals - any pitch in reverse or forward to any pitch in reverse or forward. Can you Mobius guys do this with your scripts? :) Kris >I just built something really cool in my max looper. I created a simple >little object that takes my loop, and then grandually goes from >double-speed to two octaves below and back up, totally smoothly and in >about 20 seconds....really fun to apply to a loop of abstract melodies, or >even to a groove of some sort. > > k- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 12 01:24:59 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 553EF3BEC2; Mon, 12 Nov 2007 01:24:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_e7fb13f3-5c34-4d63-b7e0-7d239ed3f00c_" X-Originating-IP: [151.49.47.76] From: Lorenzo Orlandini To: Subject: Metronome in headphones only in Ableton Live Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2007 02:24:56 +0100 Importance: Normal MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Nov 2007 01:24:56.0910 (UTC) FILETIME=[D5CDFEE0:01C824CA] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76290 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2007 01:24:59 +0000 (UTC) --_e7fb13f3-5c34-4d63-b7e0-7d239ed3f00c_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi everyone,=20 I am trying to become familiar with Ableton Live so that I can use it for l= ooping on the fly. I have read the old threads, which have all been really = helpful - especially the one on the programming of the FCB1010 with Live, P= er Boysen's suggestions were incredibly useful to a newbie like me.=20 My question now is probably pretty obvious for most of you guys, but I real= ly cant figure it out. How do I get to hear the metronome only in my headph= ones, while the audience only gets to listen to the music only? For the kin= d of stuff I do (and for the kind of crappy guitarist I am :)) the use of m= etronome is fundamental. I read the manual and looked at the settings but c= ouldnt seem to find a solution. I thought of creating a "metronome" audio t= rack and sending it to a different out, but this would not really work that= well and there must be an easier, better way to do it.=20 The interface I use is an M-Audio Fast Track Pro, if that is relevant.=20 thank you very much for your time,=20 Lorenzo _________________________________________________________________ Conosci Doretta? Contattala, =E8 ora su Messenger! http://www.doretta82.it/banner/index.html= --_e7fb13f3-5c34-4d63-b7e0-7d239ed3f00c_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi everyone,

        I am trying to become famili= ar with Ableton Live so that I can use it for looping on the fly. I have re= ad the old threads, which have all been really helpful - especially the one= on the programming of the FCB1010 with Live, Per Boysen's suggestions w= ere incredibly useful to a newbie like me.
        My question now is probably = pretty obvious for most of you guys, but I really cant figure it out. How d= o I get to hear the metronome only in my headphones, while the audience onl= y gets to listen to the music only? For the kind of stuff I do (and for the= kind of crappy guitarist I am :)) the use of metronome is fundamental. I r= ead the manual and looked at the settings but couldnt seem to find a soluti= on. I thought of creating a "metronome" audio track and sending it to a dif= ferent out, but this would not really work that well and there must be an e= asier, better way to do it.
        The interface I use is an M-Audio Fast Trac= k Pro, if that is relevant.


        thank you very much for your time, =

        Lorenzo

        Crea il tuo Spaces: fai il tuo blog e carica= fino a 500 foto al mese! Windows Live Spaces = --_e7fb13f3-5c34-4d63-b7e0-7d239ed3f00c_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 12 01:33:20 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6D3603BEDE; Mon, 12 Nov 2007 01:33:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Qua Veda" To: References: <001b01c8245f$35160df0$1001a8c0@succubus> <025801c82476$04c96ef0$7db0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <47373375.7060200@post.cybercity.dk> <4737511F.806@post.cybercity.dk> <02cc01c824a0$61714680$7db0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <20071111230735.D995424780@ns3.tnt21.com> In-Reply-To: <20071111230735.D995424780@ns3.tnt21.com> Subject: computer-based, ready for prime time? Was: very special floor-based looper Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2007 17:33:39 -0800 Message-ID: <001c01c824cc$0f2a0700$2d7e1500$@com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: Acgkt7Ql1Co+HAE7Q1CIWv604bt0xQAC2hGw Content-Language: en-us X-RBL-Warning: REVDNS: This E-mail was sent from a MUA/MTA 206.212.233.27 with no reverse DNS entry. X-Declude-Sender: qua@oregon.com [206.212.233.27] X-Declude-Spoolname: Dad65043500007a33.smd X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude JunkMail (www.declude.com) for spam. Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76291 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2007 01:33:19 +0000 (UTC) Fascinating thread. I've been planning a PC-based audio strategy since the Intel core2 processors have become available. Makes sense on paper. One compute platform (hw and OS), and huge variety of audio s/w possibilities. But I'm finding that all the s/w choices, strategies etc make the learning curves much higher. And s/w isn't always all that inexpensive when you consider the 'upgrade costs'. Hand or foot controls (midi) add another level of complexity - vs turning a dial or punching a button on a hardware processor. Then there is the vulnerability of computer-based audio. I personally have not had any problems, but then I'm not using it as a mobile , or live , rig yet. There can also be plenty of buggy problems with complex hardware rigs and cables, ground loops, etc. So, are computer-based systems practical yet? Perhaps some of each so there is not total dependency on one or the other. Maybe a poll on this topic would be interesting. What do you think? -Qua From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 12 01:34:11 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 294D13BEE7; Mon, 12 Nov 2007 01:34:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_93a98698-34a5-470b-9a66-f36e14d49bc3_" X-Originating-IP: [151.49.47.76] From: Lorenzo Orlandini To: Subject: RE: Metronome in headphones only in Ableton Live Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2007 02:34:08 +0100 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Nov 2007 01:34:08.0922 (UTC) FILETIME=[1ED457A0:01C824CC] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76292 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2007 01:34:11 +0000 (UTC) --_93a98698-34a5-470b-9a66-f36e14d49bc3_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Ok,=20 as it always happens one finds the solution right after has bothered others= with his question.=20 I found the Cue Out/Master Out option, I guess that is what I was looking f= or right? I did not associate the cue with metronome - damn, still not familiar enoug= h with the English language I guess :) Sorry about the pointless message, anyway if there is another way you would= suggest of doing this, I'm listening.=20 Thanks :) Lorenzo From: weaviestonder@hotmail.it To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Metronome in headphones only in Ableton Live Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2007 02:24:56 +0100 =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= Hi everyone,=20 I am trying to become familiar with Ableton Live so that I can use it for l= ooping on the fly. I have read the old threads, which have all been really = helpful - especially the one on the programming of the FCB1010 with Live, P= er Boysen's suggestions were incredibly useful to a newbie like me.=20 My question now is probably pretty obvious for most of you guys, but I real= ly cant figure it out. How do I get to hear the metronome only in my headph= ones, while the audience only gets to listen to the music only? For the kin= d of stuff I do (and for the kind of crappy guitarist I am :)) the use of m= etronome is fundamental. I read the manual and looked at the settings but c= ouldnt seem to find a solution. I thought of creating a "metronome" audio t= rack and sending it to a different out, but this would not really work that= well and there must be an easier, better way to do it.=20 The interface I use is an M-Audio Fast Track Pro, if that is relevant.=20 thank you very much for your time,=20 Lorenzo Crea il tuo Spaces: fai il tuo blog e carica fino a 500 foto al mese! Windo= ws Live Spaces=0A= _________________________________________________________________ Scarica GRATIS le emoticon della tua squadra del cuore e il calendario di s= erie A! http://www.emoticons-livemessenger.com/pages/msnitcalcio/index.htm= --_93a98698-34a5-470b-9a66-f36e14d49bc3_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
        Ok,

        as i= t always happens one finds the solution right after has bothered others wit= h his question.
        I found the Cue Out/Master Out option, I guess that is = what I was looking for right?

        I did not associate the cue with metro= nome - damn, still not familiar enough with the English language I guess :)=

        Sorry about the pointless message, anyway if there is another= way you would suggest of doing this, I'm listening.

        Thanks :)
        <= br>Lorenzo


        From: weaviestonder@hotmail.it
        To: loo= pers-delight@loopers-delight.com
        Subject: Metronome in headphones only i= n Ableton Live
        Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2007 02:24:56 +0100

        =0A= =0A= = =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= Hi everyone,

        I am trying to become familiar with Ableton Live so th= at I can use it for looping on the fly. I have read the old threads, which = have all been really helpful - especially the one on the programming of the= FCB1010 with Live, Per Boysen's suggestions were incr= edibly useful to a newbie like me.
        My question now is probably pretty o= bvious for most of you guys, but I really cant figure it out. How do I get = to hear the metronome only in my headphones, while the audience only gets t= o listen to the music only? For the kind of stuff I do (and for the kind of= crappy guitarist I am :)) the use of metronome is fundamental. I read the = manual and looked at the settings but couldnt seem to find a solution. I th= ought of creating a "metronome" audio track and sending it to a different o= ut, but this would not really work that well and there must be an easier, b= etter way to do it.
        The interface I use is an M-Audio Fast Track Pro, i= f that is relevant.


        thank you very much for your time,

        = Lorenzo

        Crea il tuo Spaces: fai il tuo blog e carica fino a 500 = foto al mese! Windows= Live Spaces=0A=

        Con Windows Live Messenger condividi file senza li= miti di peso! Windows Live Messenger = --_93a98698-34a5-470b-9a66-f36e14d49bc3_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 12 04:04:27 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 080E33BEDA; Mon, 12 Nov 2007 04:04:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <1194840264.4737d0c8eb8f8@webmail.musetrap.com> Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2007 22:04:24 -0600 From: cpr@musetrap.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Chinapainting article References: <20071108174110.3D2293BF18@arsenic.violacea.com> <47334D8A.9010401@mhorse.com> <20071108121814.6ru8ilm9pw80kwkc@69.89.21.76> <1194549785.4733621959a69@webmail.musetrap.com> <9e0440a60711111637q7779084dpbd51a66fb50a2598@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <9e0440a60711111637q7779084dpbd51a66fb50a2598@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.2.2 X-Originating-IP: 24.6.254.52 Resent-Message-ID: <_08PJC.A.cME.KD9NHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76293 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2007 04:04:26 +0000 (UTC) > There is a small > amount of delay in the process but it's easily adjusted to after a few > minutes into your interactive session. This delay is a musical value defined by the number of bars a NINJAM session is configured for. I forget what I have the server set up for, but it can be changed via a command in the chat window.. Anyways, how it works is this, performer #1's computer records a bar of his playing, and sends it to performer #2, who's computer starts playing it at the begining of the next bar on peformer #2's computer, and vice versa.. so, no one is playing the same bar at the same time, but bars are always synchronized.. it also means, the performance is heard different for each performer.. as well the actual mix can be adjusted for each performers listening experience, and so the mix may be different for each performer.. fun stuff.. :) peace -cpr ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 12 07:05:03 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AE6743BEDF; Mon, 12 Nov 2007 07:05:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; bh=815sOysfJoH+eZWUuMcvzmMf6HNgrSvhbKhUQUdihbI=; b=NbtruyxpQ2l9xwAMTToYKHVW6sdi46YRyG3nEC9CTfTPbYHzG81t1CPm19xmcybEv6nkk8bEXvC6vVGjs4rBKWGEkeAoaOdYt2j4c8DASf7eON1iusQvsyQW0DESSrDr+L4Kc3DEHCRYhHsAqcD0QFOszexrh8LCHn3mZILq/3o= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=Zg9Ny57qWEr2Zuq8uUamapJApR/SSXpSOgLA2+93pYVi3j7OfyjusJug+F9OdgJxU3FhXVlalaUkOqYU9LJONA1vvRjgkaV1fz7geHUBrpVFMXYioJDs/hHgswqtPGUaVKdIvWDjkEzzzDt+hfCNeT+Lw0kn5FoZhMfF/z1IvEo= Message-ID: Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2007 08:05:01 +0100 From: "Raul Bonell" To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Subject: one note song MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_8977_3189756.1194851101322" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76294 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2007 07:05:03 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_8977_3189756.1194851101322 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Who has not been tempted to perform a single note piece ever? The trick is about timing... you must be asleep at 6 a.m. ... ... now, to sleeeeepzz . .. zzZ ...zzZ ..... http://www.box.net/shared/lzt3mfe59e Raul. -- The Playing Orchestra: http://www.telefonica.net/web2/tpo Chain Tape Collective: http://www.ct-collective.com TPO at myspace: http://www.myspace.com/theplayingorchestra ------=_Part_8977_3189756.1194851101322 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Who has not been tempted to perform a single note piece ever?
        The trick is about timing... you must be asleep at 6 a.m. ...
         ... now, to sleeeeepzz . ..  zzZ ...zzZ .....

        http://www.box.net/shared/lzt3mfe59e

        Raul.
        --
        The Playing Orchestra: http://www.telefonica.net/web2/tpo
        Chain Tape Collective: http://www.ct-collective.com
        TPO at myspace: http://www.myspace.com/theplayingorchestra ------=_Part_8977_3189756.1194851101322-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 12 07:32:27 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BF9233BEE1; Mon, 12 Nov 2007 07:32:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: Ninjam techbabble (was: Chinapainting article) Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2007 08:32:57 +0100 Organization: Moinlabs Message-ID: <001201c824fe$3eb40f20$1001a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <1194840264.4737d0c8eb8f8@webmail.musetrap.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Thread-Index: Acgk4R6epYRnBKaLT7GcZVtbbiSSDAAHQDjw X-RZG-AUTH: lUESeo99iNzPL8kuBgLYdKEqUywq9cxqeRA+BtFcSCD5deQ7OI7EoPpMyQ== X-RZG-CLASS-ID: mo07 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76295 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2007 07:32:27 +0000 (UTC) > chat window.. Anyways, how it works is this, performer #1's > computer records a bar of his playing, and sends it to > performer #2, who's computer starts playing it at the > begining of the next bar on peformer #2's computer, and vice > versa.. so, no one is playing the same bar at the same time, Just a small technical detail...I believe the server is the computer which records the playing and sends it out delayed, no? Rainer From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 12 07:56:24 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 612193BEE2; Mon, 12 Nov 2007 07:56:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <1194854182.4738072687f09@webmail.musetrap.com> Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2007 01:56:22 -0600 From: cpr@musetrap.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Ninjam techbabble (was: Chinapainting article) References: <001201c824fe$3eb40f20$1001a8c0@succubus> In-Reply-To: <001201c824fe$3eb40f20$1001a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.2.2 X-Originating-IP: 24.6.254.52 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76296 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2007 07:56:24 +0000 (UTC) It was an assumption I made, but in seeking the answer, the NINJAM site says the same: "The NINJAM client records and streams synchronized intervals of music between participants." But, even then, without looking at the source I can't say this is correct, as documentation has been known to be wrong.. :) I would look at the source, but I just finished fixing a minor LP1 bug, and I've had my fill of code for the evening.. :) peace -cpr Quoting Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill : > > chat window.. Anyways, how it works is this, performer #1's > > computer records a bar of his playing, and sends it to > > performer #2, who's computer starts playing it at the > > begining of the next bar on peformer #2's computer, and vice > > versa.. so, no one is playing the same bar at the same time, > > Just a small technical detail...I believe the server is the computer which > records the playing and sends it out delayed, no? > > Rainer ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 12 08:15:03 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 243DD3BEDF; Mon, 12 Nov 2007 08:15:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-priority:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; bh=9nxI4dPOsj0uDvdoWtQvbpmJJyQjG/mPABgqDhZ861M=; b=mnLT8RUSoUOkFyssoimBhWUSLGFqmanrkuBI5EYW+XaTCfECXvEPoQMPxN/8pTX79fPblLMlasEs6CAlopqIwGfgkX8DnCJudXFCHZzE30mCQy9FlA7SPoppvv13H3icxf1lRzxaZ08h4OcmfBN/hg8wmbONWSpzs5xCA5fxSBw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-priority:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=S1/NwrH2hgy6AtSsp0tAagaFvsGk+tRZih8Ki7ExJc6pQLxgDzHUT6FaTvO387iPX86IuOXXYvXEmjchn/o1jJ4+/+zuTL9HVBNfIkJtQAowOC4SK5O62bxO5wXbNnnYSDoRQE22EtEAAmIKkWDn757r21unFMlq9Lfwiuq+71k= In-Reply-To: <047901c824c7$9aef3940$7db0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> References: <044201c824ab$e2203bf0$7db0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <047901c824c7$9aef3940$7db0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Scripting/Command Chaining in the Max/MSP Kaiser Looper Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2007 09:14:56 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76297 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2007 08:15:03 +0000 (UTC) On 12 nov 2007, at 01.30, Krispen Hartung wrote: > I just made this a lot better. Now, I can control the speed of the > continuous pitch change Do you mean that a pedal controls an exponent for the the speed of pitch rise/fall? That's what you said. > and the values of beginning or end points with my > expression pedals - any pitch in reverse or forward to any pitch in > reverse > or forward. Can you Mobius guys do this with your scripts? :) In Moibus there is no micro pitch control capability, so everything goes on a chromatic scale up and down. If you're fine with that I guess Mobius can do it. But it's hard to answer since the question doesn't clearly specify the scenario. My own programming work with Mobius is more about restricting the technical looping options to open up for more musical options in performance. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://www.youtube.com/pellibox (gritty) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 12 08:36:08 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A550F3BEE8; Mon, 12 Nov 2007 08:36:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; bh=NueYxbh0uzhC+KOdPg99PsjEZdUWun8PlStPbwvtabE=; b=lWcAx4Un2p0vt/GXBPr9kbm7BZd0903EMWl8ihJDuUIQYKMd8rznmsZe+/fVOYkJ3NM537YTzVKtWFQ4WYrquxDljISnH6GKtdPr7JzCbZJCvnokrh7x4Ec/nTR2o0cMRdUQl5VVF6oy5z5JE2FJNRwDNHU/0sTnFdVYcPDHcZ0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=M8VAheqjj7g0CqKkoz0RO72cInvRFeivqI4vrsYzxHeCW+Sk+Pmy/ENrQc0er5XnX2Y3pnPVcDVJhgviVkfphEIytOVpUjK48p+/45QO5dqAo9jupe0E1PijFhA1Uh2KdMWEp3AZPC9uSGwcJb8PE9s3qidbvIItn83UdgfYO9E= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <001c01c824cc$0f2a0700$2d7e1500$@com> References: <001b01c8245f$35160df0$1001a8c0@succubus> <025801c82476$04c96ef0$7db0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <47373375.7060200@post.cybercity.dk> <4737511F.806@post.cybercity.dk> <02cc01c824a0$61714680$7db0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <20071111230735.D995424780@ns3.tnt21.com> <001c01c824cc$0f2a0700$2d7e1500$@com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <13EB7565-9C42-48E7-89BD-EAD51876CC94@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: computer-based, ready for prime time? Was: very special floor-based looper Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2007 09:36:02 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76298 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2007 08:36:08 +0000 (UTC) On 12 nov 2007, at 02.33, Qua Veda wrote: > So, are computer-based systems practical yet? Perhaps some of > each so > there is not total dependency on one or the other. > > Maybe a poll on this topic would be interesting. What do you think? I say a poll would be pretty biased, since it's seems obvious that many laptop looper users just don't follow the simple rules related to using computers for audio. - Use a computer with hardware components that are documented to work well with audio applications. This applies not only to choice of audio interface but also to the combination of motherboard, video memory and RAM. - Use the operating system version that works well in this regard. I.e. do not take all those instant upgrades that Microsoft offers. - Do not install other applications. Especially not internet related things like virus protection software. - If needed you can disable network functions, CD and DVD players in the hardware profile. I have seen some of these "floor-based looper" posts flash by and been amazed by all the problems people have with computers. Can't think of another explanation for that then the above mentioned. The simple single CPU Centrino I have been using for looping for more than two years now has only crashed twice. That happened due to overheating, since its box is incorrectly constructed with the cooling fan outburst down under. The fox for that is to put the laptop on something the lifts its bottom up a bit from the surface so the air can blow out properly. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://www.youtube.com/pellibox (gritty) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 12 08:46:59 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CCB3F3BEDE; Mon, 12 Nov 2007 08:46:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; bh=xuEa4t2TieQ2oAA4Ha2pza63BqSLnOTiIkYipoXVb3g=; b=pB4wHkoANXu8HLUpueDfUDzVIo6FMCpq/QPq1smm5NwwKjdCrYxf58NZHgJPhXd5Qx4cdAZ5cMUN5u8N+biY3+iFSB9mjPWiSi1sMPkjFJrFJ01wbkqvmDJmpkIUj8r28BwA959Pp6CpHQw3PMNXN1w77TE2aEpFYhdM0+b/AvA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=dlvYdLgBqrQWcmYqbyv9dX/HKkY24HwYr/NW3LLsrqCeiQjI9Z5XFnM+i+zbZVff5l703fmbyucaCc/5YDXa4vcyqS4RXm/kCddjQySkilYYvSrRt8nzQzT7cfHRd9lwT8LXfqpbujq8/bSDdg+w1YfzmbCofALwQ6fztXUaga8= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <39DAFC30-965C-46C8-A9F2-14F444734F4B@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: one note song Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2007 09:46:53 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76299 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2007 08:46:59 +0000 (UTC) On 12 nov 2007, at 08.05, Raul Bonell wrote: > Who has not been tempted to perform a single note piece ever? > The trick is about timing... you must be asleep at 6 a.m. ... > ... now, to sleeeeepzz . .. zzZ ...zzZ ..... > > http://www.box.net/shared/lzt3mfe59e Fantastic! Did you make that music? Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://www.youtube.com/pellibox (gritty) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 12 12:44:58 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 775323BEDE; Mon, 12 Nov 2007 12:44:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=D4c8aEOzk729OabjWxxwaI4A3ZwbTsNr4dWwTJ4JbZ8=; b=R/Htx1Gych01DsbE4YZlmx/u2hwJWnpU4SRwEWj/WiHv2dBSVMA9aFqW7oRCsRCJZzN4QtbIEhJCJsqikktFXu0eABjSJShpw/LmEeiVjg/BQGyeRPEH33awsEKeFUPN3cFUZTh+OKSR643UhApkt6UABQJll6ZRRJ+PZlay3KM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=Wmf0y8+NzlZTJ0/BR6KozWu6kmqwmizzIqAwp6CqmPcbYHHYZN6tjz6Kn9bUA2i7aUx3BKbmyPzEQr9dkK60yfgXKdxa4fJYZ3zfZb/y6RToQAwJEvMLeBMDXeW8nhxhoqAksvdlKHuCskrP1ba08csVZwJWC/2ObHXN0+shTuk= Message-ID: Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2007 13:44:53 +0100 From: "Raul Bonell" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: one note song In-Reply-To: <39DAFC30-965C-46C8-A9F2-14F444734F4B@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_10054_26586323.1194871493520" References: <39DAFC30-965C-46C8-A9F2-14F444734F4B@gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76300 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2007 12:44:58 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_10054_26586323.1194871493520 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline > Fantastic! Did you make that music? > Certainly not... It was the puter who made it.. :-) Raul. (I'm not the puter) -- The Playing Orchestra: http://www.telefonica.net/web2/tpo Chain Tape Collective: http://www.ct-collective.com TPO at myspace: http://www.myspace.com/theplayingorchestra ------=_Part_10054_26586323.1194871493520 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline
        Fantastic! Did you make that music?

        Certainly not... It was the puter who made it..  :-)

        Raul. (I'm not the puter)

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        Chain Tape Collective: http://www.ct-collective.com
        TPO at myspace: http://www.myspace.com/theplayingorchestra ------=_Part_10054_26586323.1194871493520-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 12 13:02:13 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 45BEF3BEE4; Mon, 12 Nov 2007 13:02:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=GNIqriNMr2FBXiSn47T/T6Ao1z3xPHJ9z8JmG9HghSs=; b=KL09IpWE2KNYs5x/P39q9/zhcZ10nGpTjXZBBQgCi/6HzvU5j36PUqBX/pYkC1ad3pJ1dto8rQQhQ5R5IgEk1vTVcCd+iM/eRcTCdjAXdlLjahmGl84vPiWz1DIJp0u6WGDiov3HWPnvV2P5aY1wxYNeE98+rRG57Xo8u59kZqs= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=S6POwsXmfPOhOg5JOk6BJ1sfVGr9HBM9lbIspz33Q04u8cD01TTJCVnyrAMUzDCsBMTk7jv0rxLXI+PD7Ti8a1Lg51yBWwMrG7u+LH7SteswzXs/HHRCEHwwYdtyQAlQtDi5I1mA6X7q3wo4Hztz0CIRgU5TY/UdC9dQio7xU18= Message-ID: Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2007 14:02:11 +0100 From: "Raul Bonell" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Scripting/Command Chaining in the Max/MSP Kaiser Looper In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_10103_10185282.1194872531575" References: <044201c824ab$e2203bf0$7db0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <047901c824c7$9aef3940$7db0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76301 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2007 13:02:13 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_10103_10185282.1194872531575 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline My own programming work with > Mobius is more about restricting the technical looping options to > open up for more musical options in performance. > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen This is my point too. Last night I did a track (though it was really a serie of them) where i can just input a single note and you receive a kind of polyphonic piece from that. Even it was very alive without having to change some potty controls here and there, but it was becoming much more interesting with some simple & classical loop functions in Mobius.... I post it some hours before. It was assembled in Audiomulch. R. -- The Playing Orchestra: http://www.telefonica.net/web2/tpo Chain Tape Collective: http://www.ct-collective.com TPO at myspace: http://www.myspace.com/theplayingorchestra ------=_Part_10103_10185282.1194872531575 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline

        My own programming work with
        Mobius is more about restricting the technical looping options to
        open up for more musical options in performance.

        Greetings from Sweden

        Per Boysen


        This is my point too. Last night I did a track (though it was really a serie of them) where i can just input a single note and you receive a kind of polyphonic piece from that. Even it was very alive without having to change some potty controls here and there, but it was becoming much more interesting with some simple & classical loop functions in Mobius.... I post it some hours before. It was assembled in Audiomulch.


        R.



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        Chain Tape Collective: http://www.ct-collective.com
        TPO at myspace: http://www.myspace.com/theplayingorchestra ------=_Part_10103_10185282.1194872531575-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 12 13:31:10 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 201A53BEE0; Mon, 12 Nov 2007 13:31:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; bh=l4rrxGQMa+W8Pd2AvllOuYfNnVK+zZdPA7IG4FVrcqA=; b=NLXPqMchm0ekI2xRzWpRTeI/hg9qwBV6Fq15gul5EOdDL+k7LsV9hXZ+eWlv2VVOUk1ZdqVYVIQYAx0GuIhiWT8c71zfp5ndM7fdxV3xMakQJbmlkGTe6xTB8ZF8qdiNDj/2C5FQ7YKr3JgwFjSVUyEtoXQgeGGJBseHY41VJHE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=JxSBHKPSc9bMs1UY3ZTpxikZ5JxEX6cY4qq+mhX+U4RdHj9sESjIQinf7qBYUYbQMBTLnRKUue5PqDDZrT8r68Xj7Sg7TRUrvYwvpJBjoFJ/sSmXZBizDY//6uz+muRfC0Rpm4NEU3n87Ga1sh0b+vMhhReK2gaAfmibZOa9WAM= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: References: <39DAFC30-965C-46C8-A9F2-14F444734F4B@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <9E33712E-90A7-47C0-B7D9-B7E84EA8713C@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: one note song Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2007 14:31:02 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76302 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2007 13:31:10 +0000 (UTC) On 12 nov 2007, at 13.44, Raul Bonell wrote: > Fantastic! Did you make that music? > Certainly not... It was the puter who made it.. :-) > Raul. (I'm not the puter) Could you tell us about the process? Per (not a puter either) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 12 13:35:36 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 65CB23BEE8; Mon, 12 Nov 2007 13:35:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2007 08:34:52 -0500 From: Warren Sirota Subject: RE: Ninjam techbabble (was: Chinapainting article) In-reply-to: <1194854182.4738072687f09@webmail.musetrap.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <008201c82530$ce196d90$4b02a8c0@warren5d67d038> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Thread-index: AcglAYguT/HkNPJ+QZGrs0n+2O6BLgALVK9g Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76303 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2007 13:35:36 +0000 (UTC) What I've always wondered about Ninjam is how the concept of "measure" is handled - when I Ninjammed at Kyberfest 06, I just trusted the Force (as dapperly personified by Rainer). But there was no metronome click, and *I* certainly didn't provide or receive any indication of what the tempo or measure was. So is what's going on that an arbitrary measure length subtly influences the way that everyone plays so that they end up conforming, in one way or another, to the "hidden tempo" without actually realizing it? Kind of like having a fixed-length loop recording your playing and looping it, only you have no idea when it starts or ends before you start playing? (Of course, the music that we were playing during our set didn't have such a fixed pulse, and didn't rely on any more traditional notions of "tightness", so it was fine for me to play in a way that made my view of the music sound good, and trust that it also worked on the other end(s).) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 12 13:39:55 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 02DAF3BEE6; Mon, 12 Nov 2007 13:39:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; bh=jpziPe5cz1drDO4u5VHzS5R5sIjM+aBWBmU/B/IW14A=; b=EN9wOxMTxehtd1A28Xsisn2bDxhndCqprcr08KUPg6BL9NpjdKgHOjvyy0UePHgnaQjWa3OCgfoZmThYHz+2xvjEaGrb9UGKe/udgbeJEFwRct9r7AkJBd6XzvDhGNLjCvzKW8D5MOLf29TD0wtKbY0RGKnZtOJQzpQ/N4HaMOk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=ff28ZVQbuyZATDPUk2e3KTrGjMqdNCBEYqcLryyskztN3qp5nmtA3n/lGiFRcFFXudkX6LXl5lfqfbSHPvxxffeaL9DMd6DgFcy+praT5sbrqcL/SYHYWulVl5IKeMkI8dg9xQ+F840nDCxqxhMQ5KSCId2giodmTj6SyxhQFmM= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: References: <044201c824ab$e2203bf0$7db0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <047901c824c7$9aef3940$7db0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Scripting/Command Chaining in the Max/MSP Kaiser Looper Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2007 14:39:48 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76304 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2007 13:39:54 +0000 (UTC) > My own programming work with > Mobius is more about restricting the technical looping options to > open up for more musical options in performance. > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > >> On 12 nov 2007, at 14.02, Raul Bonell wrote: >> This is my point too. Last night I did a track (though it was >> really a serie of them) where i can just input a single note and >> you receive a kind of polyphonic piece from that. Even it was very >> alive without having to change some potty controls here and there, >> but it was becoming much more interesting with some simple & >> classical loop functions in Mobius.... I post it some hours >> before. It was assembled in Audiomulch. Generative music is not a bad thing IMHO. Your piece sounded excellent to me because it lacks the usual tendencies among musicians that they easily sound like "trying to copy another musician". But the funny thing was that I didn't perceive your "random music" as mechanically boring as a lot of so called generative music. My guess is that this was because you put in some human decisions into the process. The "some simple & classical loop functions in Mobius", I guess? Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://www.youtube.com/pellibox (gritty) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 12 13:51:35 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D08D03BEE1; Mon, 12 Nov 2007 13:51:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; bh=IiRHgjMLRdowkdWD3PZRsBcJ2hTfC9WqQmF743j7i7Q=; b=U4kek57ER2cAgGTE2K26fkCXATYeZzav4AcUoZeWO1qeY7gnSwmYIrwb0eqgygW/jWGU2BtTbilBr15lfAbTxTUrpuHIemK//uVkYW1DtZIGSJ6ra2fjSqbE6kXhrm9UjmKCIs7wtRvCbvi9WNfsjGGTz3/eTv4h4ld45n4W5nw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=REaMOnhv06GFgpd7d7ZLTQA+bL0NIp9kDy+RuY7T+bLmyYrM98vCnS/rWWBvFvWKz3nYrDcQampw7FwaSP9WxQj/pL5ArTxdkDDlmy8Mh6JItRXXpaPPrF1EankCYHtdPgmOu5UrKgywb1RRpxIKKaIB6wun+F2vtREr/R/d3J0= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <008201c82530$ce196d90$4b02a8c0@warren5d67d038> References: <008201c82530$ce196d90$4b02a8c0@warren5d67d038> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Ninjam techbabble (was: Chinapainting article) Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2007 14:51:29 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76305 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2007 13:51:35 +0000 (UTC) On 12 nov 2007, at 14.34, Warren Sirota wrote: > What I've always wondered about Ninjam is how the concept of > "measure" is > handled - when I Ninjammed at Kyberfest 06, I just trusted the > Force (as > dapperly personified by Rainer). But there was no metronome click, > and *I* > certainly didn't provide or receive any indication of what the > tempo or > measure was. I love it that way, but prefer real-time jamming (trying to stay as long as possible inside that sacred zone where tempo an bar length have not yet become defined). > So is what's going on that an arbitrary measure length subtly > influences the > way that everyone plays so that they end up conforming, in one way or > another, to the "hidden tempo" without actually realizing it? Kind > of like > having a fixed-length loop recording your playing and looping it, > only you > have no idea when it starts or ends before you start playing? Yes. But also that you play to what was happening in the previous bar. > (Of course, > the music that we were playing during our set didn't have such a fixed > pulse, and didn't rely on any more traditional notions of > "tightness", so it > was fine for me to play in a way that made my view of the music > sound good, > and trust that it also worked on the other end(s).) I think that sound like a marvelous concept for structured group improvisation! Each individual musician hears the other group members playing ONE BAR LATE! Wow, that's so inspiring, as for experimental strategy! It would be fun to hear all version of such a jam. Like if a quartet jams and afterwards each musician posts an mp3 of what was coming out of his personal speakers. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://www.youtube.com/pellibox (gritty) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 12 14:14:09 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 20A7A3BEDE; Mon, 12 Nov 2007 14:14:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: References: <008201c82530$ce196d90$4b02a8c0@warren5d67d038> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-26--326210167 Message-Id: <875632AB-B389-4FF3-BC52-FADB4149C988@mac.com> From: Chuck Silva Subject: Re: Ninjam techbabble (was: Chinapainting article) Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2007 09:13:58 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) Resent-Message-ID: <1vviyD.A.JOF.w-FOHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76306 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2007 14:14:09 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-26--326210167 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; delsp=yes; format=flowed > Am I missing something? > I don't want to come off arrogant but when I listen to the examples =20= > of online jam sessions (Ninjam) they sound horribly out of sink? > Don't get me wrong. When I heard about the possibility to jam =20 > online with any one on planet Earth-via the internet- I was very =20 > excited indeed. > I was disappointed with the jam examples. Is that because the =20 > musicians are still learning how to play or because of latency =20 > problems? Peace... Chuck Silva any1particular@mac.com http://www.myspace.com/chucksilva =EF=BF=BC --Apple-Mail-26--326210167 Content-Type: multipart/related; type="text/html"; boundary=Apple-Mail-27--326210167 --Apple-Mail-27--326210167 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1
        Am I missing = something?

        I don't want to come off arrogant = but when I listen to the examples of online jam sessions (Ninjam)=A0 = they sound horribly out of sink?

        Don't get me = wrong. When I heard about the=A0possibility to jam online with any one = on planet Earth-via the internet- I was very excited = indeed.=A0


        =A0I was=A0disappointed with the = jam examples. Is that=A0because the musicians are still learning how to = play or because of latency problems?

        Peace...

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IyD71RtzttpAPuxoZAPU+/rWzpdtF/Z8BKhiV3EnqSeTWNaEJL94rjhOUX7rsf/Z --Apple-Mail-27--326210167-- --Apple-Mail-26--326210167-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 12 14:45:23 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BB64F3BEE2; Mon, 12 Nov 2007 14:45:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2007 15:45:17 +0100 Message-Id: Subject: Re: RC-50 and Speed Control MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Sensitivity: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: "Sjaak" To: "Loopers-Delight" X-XaM3-API-Version: 4.1 (B54) X-type: 0 X-SenderIP: 145.58.65.145 X-DCC-scarlet.be-Metrics: elist Resent-Message-ID: <5vcUG.A.UbG.DcGOHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76307 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2007 14:45:23 +0000 (UTC) > Krispen Hartung wrote: > What I am looking for probably doesn't exist, but I'll search: a stereo= > in/out floor unit that does reverse, half speed/pitch, variable > speed/pitch, and has more than one loop. I'll willing to buy two units= > and run them in parallel if necessary...no syncing required. Hi Kris, That's the sort of looper I'm looking for too but add variable feedback c= ontrol. I don't think any hardware device meet your specs: Boomerang, Rep= eater, Timefactor, EH 2880, RC-50 etc. Most manufacturers build delay's o= r (phrase) samplers, but nothing with best of both worlds in the price ra= nge of max $500. RC-50: - stereo: yes, audio quality is excellent - reverse: yes - variable speed and pitch: no =3D> it has tempo sync option but it sound= s horrible imo - loops: 3, running in sync or independent - feedback control: sort of =3D> no delay type of variable feedback contr= ol using an expression pedal. Workaround: send sub-outputs to auxility in= (stereo), level decreases with each loop depending on the aux-in level Sjaak=0A---=0AScarlet One, ADSL 6 Mbps + Telefonie, vanaf EUR 29,95...=0A= http://www.scarlet.be/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 12 15:12:49 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B55323BEF3; Mon, 12 Nov 2007 15:12:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <47386D6C.3080207@mhorse.com> Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2007 09:12:44 -0600 From: Daryl Shawn User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.13 (Windows/20070809) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Ninjam techbabble References: <008201c82530$ce196d90$4b02a8c0@warren5d67d038> <875632AB-B389-4FF3-BC52-FADB4149C988@mac.com> In-Reply-To: <875632AB-B389-4FF3-BC52-FADB4149C988@mac.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <7RT3ZD.A.AhH.x1GOHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76308 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2007 15:12:49 +0000 (UTC) Hmm...I'm not sure what music you've heard, but as someone who uses Ninjam all the time, the only sync issue I've ever had to get adjusted to is the latency of my own audio running through the computer, into Ninjam, and back out through my headphones. Ninjam (not sure if it's the client or the server, though I believe the server) does introduce one measure of delay between participants, but unless you're trying to play an actual song arrangement, you won't notice that delay. You simply hear music coming from the other people and you play along, and even though what you're hearing is what the other people played a few seconds ago, you won't know. If you're doing beat-based stuff, the metronome works fine too, the server makes sure everyone hears the beat in sync. Check out Rainer's "Quelques Papiers D'Abord" (http://www.moinlabs.de/i_kqpda.htm) which was recorded completely over the Net (I do play on this, so excuse a tad bit of self-promoting). Also, all of the Chinapainting stuff (even more self-promoting) that's been released so far was also recorded over Ninjam too. Daryl Shawn www.swanwelder.com www.chinapaintingmusic.com >> Am I missing something? I don't want to come off arrogant but when I >> listen to the examples of online jam sessions (Ninjam) they sound >> horribly out of sink? Don't get me wrong. When I heard about >> the possibility to jam online with any one on planet Earth-via the >> internet- I was very excited indeed. I was disappointed with the jam >> examples. Is that because the musicians are still learning how to >> play or because of latency problems? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 12 15:40:45 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C63E33BEF8; Mon, 12 Nov 2007 15:40:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <064501c82542$5ce61170$4001a8c0@pcfabio> Reply-To: "e t e r o g e n e o" From: "e t e r o g e n e o" To: Subject: LD on Second Life ? Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2007 16:40:33 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0642_01C8254A.BE4FFD60" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-Spam-Rating: smtp5.aruba.it 1.6.2 0/1000/N Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76309 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2007 15:40:44 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0642_01C8254A.BE4FFD60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi people,=20 in an e.mail that (uncle) Micheal Klobuchar have send to me, he was = talking about a " Looper Island", so it comes to my mind "Second Life". I think it could be another usefull media to let this community grow and = diffuse looping music. Today a lot of industries, politicians and insitutions have his own = island on second life and i've read about some virtual festival going in = it, so why not the a "Loopers Island" ? fabio=20 www.eterogeneo.com ------=_NextPart_000_0642_01C8254A.BE4FFD60 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
        Hi people, =
        in an e.mail that = (uncle) Micheal=20 Klobuchar have send to me, he was talking about a " Looper Island", = so it=20 comes to my mind "Second Life".
        I think it could be = another usefull=20 media to let this community grow and diffuse looping music.
        Today a lot of = industries,=20 politicians and insitutions have his own island on second life and i've = read=20 about some virtual festival going in it, so why not the a "Loopers = Island"=20 ?
         
        fabio 
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        ------=_NextPart_000_0642_01C8254A.BE4FFD60-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 12 15:57:21 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 35E743BF00; Mon, 12 Nov 2007 15:57:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Qua Veda" To: References: <39DAFC30-965C-46C8-A9F2-14F444734F4B@gmail.com> <9E33712E-90A7-47C0-B7D9-B7E84EA8713C@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <9E33712E-90A7-47C0-B7D9-B7E84EA8713C@gmail.com> Subject: RE: one note song Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2007 07:57:50 -0800 Message-ID: <005901c82544$c73b5f60$55b21e20$@com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: AcglMFexlniaUpJmSVC9ealjj3pKaQAFE//w Content-Language: en-us X-RBL-Warning: REVDNS: This E-mail was sent from a MUA/MTA 206.212.233.27 with no reverse DNS entry. X-Declude-Sender: qua@oregon.com [206.212.233.27] X-Declude-Spoolname: D77ed03b100007ce9.smd X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude JunkMail (www.declude.com) for spam. Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76310 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2007 15:57:21 +0000 (UTC) Yes, beautiful, please tell us more .. -Qua -----Original Message----- From: Per Boysen [mailto:perboysen@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 5:31 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: one note song On 12 nov 2007, at 13.44, Raul Bonell wrote: > Fantastic! Did you make that music? > Certainly not... It was the puter who made it.. :-) > Raul. (I'm not the puter) Could you tell us about the process? Per (not a puter either) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 12 16:07:07 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 245B13BF05; Mon, 12 Nov 2007 16:07:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Michael Peters" To: "Loopers Delight" Subject: OT musical road Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2007 17:07:01 +0100 Message-ID: <007901c82546$0feedd30$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_007A_01C8254E.71B34530" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: AcglRg85F+AVvDLfSrqHDli7onn9gw== X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Resent-Message-ID: <1tmWaD.A.15B.qoHOHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76311 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2007 16:07:07 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_007A_01C8254E.71B34530 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit http://deputy-dog.com/2007/11/09/the-most-bizarre-musical-instrument-on-eart h/ ------=_NextPart_000_007A_01C8254E.71B34530 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

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        ------=_NextPart_000_007A_01C8254E.71B34530-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 12 16:17:01 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4E53D3BF02; Mon, 12 Nov 2007 16:17:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=6CDit1EbPGcB9fPT55SfKAt8Ykc86HU50kEiuzrUABE=; b=jJlKOKEH993APKdzxx+EdEeHUaAMz1Ek0FNMq9GsE1qUuRgk9R6RpzNbgb++D6bQEm+BvfDhrNQPH1k7wGFSTRfsNOXzqYa+xhHHj6j6eKRCbyBunTengd2wY1WjE5WH01oG2vQ977iDvboyd+Q2SgB7HSxM7hOtyYRFFi6JSfE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=lOuYg73Y5YxCTBK70y6JHjKYP6VB5y28K39PXHgQ8U1TsOENU4EwDGWWVKXY9yrYQwYjxllSHK6T0p3rrTAt9P4ffRodylmRy7fdMUedZHCDZ76fVPUQVYPLr+0Z+ePkrljMa4TVCKk38sNfp34zSPFn04yQZKth93RvMUEF4LQ= Message-ID: Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2007 11:16:59 -0500 From: "Dennis Moser" To: "e t e r o g e n e o" Subject: Re: LD on Second Life ? Cc: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <064501c82542$5ce61170$4001a8c0@pcfabio> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <064501c82542$5ce61170$4001a8c0@pcfabio> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76312 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2007 16:17:01 +0000 (UTC) well .. I've been performing and looping in Second Life for nearly a year now ... but someone needs to buy an Island if they want "Looper Island" (assuming that name isn't really already taken ...). Haven't seen or heard of any loopers festivals in there yet. Dennis aka "AldoManutio Abruzzo" in Second Life On Nov 12, 2007 10:40 AM, e t e r o g e n e o wrote: > > > Hi people, > in an e.mail that (uncle) Micheal Klobuchar have send to me, he was talking > about a " Looper Island", so it comes to my mind "Second Life". > I think it could be another usefull media to let this community grow and > diffuse looping music. > Today a lot of industries, politicians and insitutions have his own island > on second life and i've read about some virtual festival going in it, so why > not the a "Loopers Island" ? > > fabio > www.eterogeneo.com > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 12 16:23:33 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 70A293BF0D; Mon, 12 Nov 2007 16:23:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <47387DFF.5070604@mhorse.com> Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2007 10:23:27 -0600 From: Daryl Shawn User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.13 (Windows/20070809) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: LD on Second Life ? References: <064501c82542$5ce61170$4001a8c0@pcfabio> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76313 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2007 16:23:33 +0000 (UTC) Whoa...never heard of this before. Crazy. How does "playing" there work? I admit, I was most excited when I read "Second Life is a 3-D virtual world entirely created by its Residents", and thought it said "Second Life is a 3-D virtual world entirely created by THE Residents". I'd pony up $9.95 to live in a world created by the eyeball crew... Daryl Shawn www.swanwelder.com www.chinapaintingmusic.com > well .. 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        From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 12 16:30:42 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 981083BF01; Mon, 12 Nov 2007 16:30:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=sAPKRFFCZkr1Jyj3avsbx9mSCeT8MpQm1J69n9YYmUI=; b=QiO4YITaQ/LTonvWy/+uSHlOmKHs/Jdvg8mjvA/QUK5ol15MR03SqtBxwLxMJmVaRhQD13W7RmGUgUyfL5N7MGwXeiWrDQDtJkW87oShgVDxJmFEg7aFF6WJWRPTp1AbD3YvNVFWe+K0RRW6q/4s/zFZF6nmekQlXqpca6yz5Cw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=V4SF20esujHItlqQUNP2b0lUv4DMcV+Lx47lsOygDW0cCZRkQ+IDo+7gPeu5ikPWUpSunCHBob4k7qX1xTanTpEcsjrJi+NDyfGqyLXlswDmiigwfCCTlDwo1EK4NyFxeFBmT9I+mhuXSGjHsI57AmqgJA0sv80ipqBF3/j595w= Message-ID: Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2007 11:30:36 -0500 From: "Dennis Moser" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: LD on Second Life ? In-Reply-To: <47387DFF.5070604@mhorse.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <064501c82542$5ce61170$4001a8c0@pcfabio> <47387DFF.5070604@mhorse.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76314 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2007 16:30:42 +0000 (UTC) Basically, you web-stream your music in ... it helps TREMNDOUSLY to use an aggregating relay service (most of us just don't have the bandwidth in our households to support a stream of 192 KBPS of music to more than 5-10 people), otherwise it's not difficult to do ... and it's just like performing for a face to face audience (aside from the 10-60 second lag before they hear you and respond!) because it IS a real audience. International in scope, too ... Dennis On Nov 12, 2007 11:23 AM, Daryl Shawn wrote: > Whoa...never heard of this before. Crazy. How does "playing" there work? > > I admit, I was most excited when I read "Second Life is a 3-D virtual > world entirely created by its Residents", and thought it said "Second > Life is a 3-D virtual world entirely created by THE Residents". > > I'd pony up $9.95 to live in a world created by the eyeball crew... > > Daryl Shawn > www.swanwelder.com > www.chinapaintingmusic.com > > > > well .. I've been performing and looping in Second Life for nearly a > > year now ... but someone needs to buy an Island if they want "Looper > > Island" (assuming that name isn't really already taken ...). > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 12 16:37:52 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 119843BEF7; Mon, 12 Nov 2007 16:37:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2007 17:37:48 +0100 (MET) Message-Id: <200711121637.lACGbmG9008199@post.webmailer.de> X-Authentication-Warning: teg.store: httpd set sender to rs@moinlabs.de using -f To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: rs@moinlabs.de Subject: Re: Re: Ninjam techbabble (was: Chinapainting article) X-Priority: 3 X-Abuse: 512675 / 192.109.190.88 X-RZG-MBID: 0AP3TDtljfgdCQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-RZG-CLASS-ID: em07 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76315 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2007 16:37:52 +0000 (UTC) >I don't want to come off arrogant but when I listen to the examples of onl= ine jam sessions (Ninjam) they sound horribly out of >sink? You're not coming off arrogant, merely ignorant. The short answer: if the playing on Ninjam's public servers sounded complet= ely untight or out of sync, this may either have to do with the reason why = most amateur punk bands sound out of sync (btw, really liked your misspelli= ng there), namely because of lack of qualification, or because a bad tech s= etup, or because they follow an approach for playing that makes the experie= nce for a third party listening in less enjoyable (see explanation below). The rest of the message is rather long-winded... Ninjam has this concept that it "rounds up" transmission delays over the ne= t in a way that make musical sense iff you play in time and have the interv= al set to a meaningful value. So for this to work (for beat-based music), the musicians need to know what= Ninjam's tempo and beat offset is. There are several possibilities, all of= which are slightly less than optimal: 1. Use the metronome. Downside: the metronome is output on the same audio o= utput as the music, so you can't (or at last most probably wouldn't want to= ) use this approach when playing to an audience. Solution: Os has developed this VST version of the ninjam client which feat= ures separate outputs. Unfortunately, no public version exists. It should b= e sufficient if one beat-oriented player (e.g. drummer) listens to the metr= onome, the others can just play along with him. I never did that myself. 2. Use MIDI clock. One of the clients (the wasabi client) does output a MID= I clock based on Ninjam's time. Downside: the wasabi client won't handle AS= IO interface. Workaround: use two computers, one of them running the normal= client which handles audio and one of them running the wasabi client which= outputs MIDI clock. Problem here: you have a timing offset, which will hur= t you iff any of the other participants use either the same approach or the= metronome. Workaround: have your MIDI-synced equipment setup so it compens= ates for that offset (all sequencers and drum machines I know can do that).= Again, only one (best the "beat source") would need this cumbersome setup. Examples: Both the tracks "Aspirin Age" and "Virtual Baggy Pants" on http:/= /www.moinlabs.de/i_kqpda.htm were done using this approach. Other approaches: 3. In a situation with only two participants (note that in this discussion,= a "participant" is one client - which can very well feed the playing of mo= re than one musician), one participant can for some time establish a groove= and ignore what he hears from the other side (or at least not let himself = be affected by its timing). The other participant can then simply play on t= op of that. This sounds good (meaning: in sync) for that other participant,= not so much for the first one (or for anyone else who just connects to the= server and listens). Examples: the groovy part at the end of "The Milkey Way - Yivli Antare". He= re, Charlie played the groovy bass part (not necessarily in sync with Ninja= m's tempo), and I played on top of that. "Advantages in Freeform Breeding"= - here, both Rick Walker (percussion) and Krispen Hartung (guitar) were on= e participant, I was the other participant. In both cases, the album uses the recording done on my side. 4. Also, you can simply ignore any beat (works best if playing non-beat-bas= ed music). This is the approach that was afaik used also during Warren's an= d Per's session at Y2K6 kyberloopfest. The funny thing here is that this so= unds completely different (not necessarily in an ugly way) at the different= participants'. Examples: the rest of "The Milkey Way", "Below this Sneppah". There will al= so be a track on the second volume of the kybermusik series (due 1st half o= f 2008) where I'm gonna combine the independent recordings of each particip= ant from a session I did with Tony K. Things that can still go wrong: * as I said, when using the "two computer MIDI approach" AND (somebody e= lse is also using it OR somebody else plays to the metronome), you have to = compensate between the timing offset of both your computers. * in example 3, this normally only sounds good in exactly one place. * Ninjam doesn't compensate for latency induced by audio interfaces (alt= hough it could - this would be a nice thing one of you software developers = could do). * players can be unable to play in sync * what is beautiful for one might be horrible for another one BTW, all you software developers out there (including but not limited to Os= ): I'd still like a Ninjam client OR a VST plugin (best both) that has the fol= lowing features: * ASIO support (only for the standalone client) (priority 1 - this is a= lready available in the normal client) * can output MIDI clock (priority 1 - this is available in the wasabi c= lient) * has an additional setting for audio hardware latency to compensate fo= r that (priority 3) * independent routing of audio output including metronome (priority 2) * running on XP platform (priority 1) Looking forward to your implementations! Rainer From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 12 16:39:11 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 957523BF12; Mon, 12 Nov 2007 16:39:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-UNTD-OriginStamp: wE15mMxaCGdImpQmRPxb5HM/c51b5M6WKLXB2qYiFTq4iMNtSdQqow== X-Originating-IP: [206.193.127.2] Mime-Version: 1.0 From: "Weg" Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2007 16:36:55 GMT To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: LD on Second Life ? X-Mailer: Webmail Version 4.0 Message-Id: <20071112.113655.5687.0@webmail17.dca.untd.com> X-UOL-TAGLINE: true Content-Type: multipart/alternative;boundary="--__JWM__J17da.1f5fS.56d6M" X-ContentStamp: 2:1:709750476 X-MAIL-INFO:420475e971492171210d492181b194906441ad9dad552959bd29105151d9bdb474a0040d604975e10474257081712d50a4a4a5a42d69 X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 10.171.12.157|webmail17.dca.untd.com|webmail17.dca.untd.com|theweg@netzero.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76316 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2007 16:39:11 +0000 (UTC) ----__JWM__J17da.1f5fS.56d6M Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii A member of my rock band does this several times a week and uses two con= nections to do so. One for the performance and one for interaction in S= L. I hope to eventually join him but I imagine it would be easier to g= o across town and perform with him instead of streaming together. I tri= ed using Ichat with my brother and the lag time is too great. = Weg _____________________________________________________________ Save on Vocational Schools. Click here. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2211/fc/Ioyw6ijngbBOObdVKW647jnl8= pvSsq9Kmq7ip9uTNZnhQDoVeMgQlk/ ----__JWM__J17da.1f5fS.56d6M Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii

        A member of my rock band does this several times a week and use= s two connections to do so.  One for the performance and one for in= teraction in SL.   I hope to eventually join him but I imagine= it would be easier to go across town and perform with him instead of st= reaming together.  I tried using Ichat with my brother and the lag = time is too great.

         

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         ----__JWM__J17da.1f5fS.56d6M-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 12 16:49:26 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id ED0363BF0B; Mon, 12 Nov 2007 16:49:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <47388411.6010209@mhorse.com> Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2007 10:49:21 -0600 From: Daryl Shawn User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.13 (Windows/20070809) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Ninjam techbabble (was: Chinapainting article) References: <200711121637.lACGbmG9008199@post.webmailer.de> In-Reply-To: <200711121637.lACGbmG9008199@post.webmailer.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76317 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2007 16:49:25 +0000 (UTC) Thanks for all these details, Rainer (and you know, I really have given you more specific credit for your part in how Chinapainting came together...Kyberfest was your brilliant idea!). The only thing I'd like to add is that, for an audience, if they're signed into the same room to listen, they can simply turn off the metronome on their stream. Even if the musicians are hearing it on their machines, control over the audio of the metronome is per client. If someone wanted to stream the audio, they'd just join the room, stream the audio via Shoutcast or whatever, and turn the metronome off. If you were referring to an audience listening in the same place as one of the musicians, then a second computer could be set up as the listener machine, and the musician could listen to their setup via headphones, while the audio from the listener computer could be sent to a PA. Daryl Shawn www.swanwelder.com www.chinapaintingmusic.com > 1. Use the metronome. Downside: the metronome is output on the same audio output as the music, so you can't (or at last most probably wouldn't want to) use this approach when playing to an audience. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 12 17:39:59 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9253A3BF0F; Mon, 12 Nov 2007 17:39:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-priority:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; bh=VN5sxhW6hgxMEZ0kS5+oK/6UjdhAf4XztGi7qh18nNE=; b=Vt4QW1XONV6RNbi16S3aSK0x+7inFsHa4HkFOvOpDPf3thPf7xSscLKTfqWl7T6MRsBv6GnVZXbyIQIeHquxnJXdrxhMMrjbRjSKLTmXXs560XyO6IUnjBeAzG5+uuHqYGd0E2WSZF24zaXc/rcs16mWYm955qdkJth2ovbo6NY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-priority:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=KNK1eWONoulkpMKL90hioBv/MQsJ8DPM1x5BdUVMe+INjTbwBZtMZyYe/HkHQ95IB1iBgM2N8aupN4nAH+q61FmMSjUyMzWvZdGPmGy1PfQzHFlk5yOD5tDn7keSeRco5h0NtQDgSIhM10v+mvxNA3KKaqoxWflf6FcycjXbKLw= In-Reply-To: <200711121637.lACGbmG9008199@post.webmailer.de> References: <200711121637.lACGbmG9008199@post.webmailer.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Ninjam techbabble (was: Chinapainting article) Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2007 18:39:52 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76318 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2007 17:39:59 +0000 (UTC) On 12 nov 2007, at 17.37, rs@moinlabs.de wrote: > Ninjam Excellent write-up, Rainer! Saving it here for the future, if ever need to check out those details again. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://www.youtube.com/pellibox (gritty) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 12 18:15:50 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 724693BF06; Mon, 12 Nov 2007 18:15:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <04ea01c82558$0d16d8d0$7db0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <044201c824ab$e2203bf0$7db0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <047901c824c7$9aef3940$7db0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Subject: Re: Scripting/Command Chaining in the Max/MSP Kaiser Looper Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2007 11:15:42 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76319 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2007 18:15:50 +0000 (UTC) Per, I can elaborate with a specific scenario of what I'm planning to do. 1. I record a 20 second loop (just free note and chordal improv) 2. I hit the play button to playback the recorded loop 3. At the same time, or anytime during playback, I hit a new button on my MIDI controller that triggers a gradual pitch (and speed) change to the recorded loop 4. The max objects that initiate the pitch change will have a fixed pre-set that determines the starting pitch, the ending pitch, and the time it takes to go from this start pitch to end pitch; for example, right now it is set to start at normal speed ("1" in the max object), and gradually change the pitch of the loop to -.02 in reverse (that is very, very slow and low...it sounds amazing). 5. However, I hook up my expression pedals to two inlets in the object (~line) that determines the start pitch, end pitch, and duration times, such that with one pedal I control the ending pitch (or it could be beginning), and the other pedal controls the time it takes for the pitch change from beginnnig to end point to occur). I could change the function so that the pitch starts from -0.2 (very low and in reverse) moves gradually to 1 (normal speed), and then continues in forward at amost a standstill, to as high as I want (let's say 20 octaves above initial pitch?). I could change the values with my expression pedals and hit the button again, to re-trigger the continuous pitch change with the new values. Kris ----- Original Message ----- > On 12 nov 2007, at 01.30, Krispen Hartung wrote: > >> I just made this a lot better. Now, I can control the speed of the >> continuous pitch change > > Do you mean that a pedal controls an exponent for the the speed of pitch > rise/fall? That's what you said. >> and the values of beginning or end points with my >> expression pedals - any pitch in reverse or forward to any pitch in >> reverse >> or forward. Can you Mobius guys do this with your scripts? :) > > In Moibus there is no micro pitch control capability, so everything goes > on a chromatic scale up and down. If you're fine with that I guess Mobius > can do it. But it's hard to answer since the question doesn't clearly > specify the scenario. My own programming work with Mobius is more about > restricting the technical looping options to open up for more musical > options in performance. > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > www.looproom.com (international) > http://www.youtube.com/pellibox (gritty) > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 12 18:21:57 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 57FD53BF15; Mon, 12 Nov 2007 18:21:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <050801c82558$e80bb410$7db0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: Subject: Re: RC-50 and Speed Control Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2007 11:21:54 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76320 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2007 18:21:57 +0000 (UTC) Maybe the hardware version of FlyLoops will be the answer to our needs....that is, if Aaron implements most of the software features in the hardware unit. My dream is a stereo EDP/Looperlative/Repeater like unit, inside a USB/Computer programmable floor unit the size of the EDP foot controller, complete with multiple TRS expression pedal jacks for controlling volume, pitch, fades, etc, and a USB connectors for hooking up more MIDI controllers to access more features. I'd pay $2000 + for that unit if it popped up on the market. Kris ----- Original Message ----- > Krispen Hartung wrote: > What I am looking for probably doesn't exist, but I'll search: a stereo > in/out floor unit that does reverse, half speed/pitch, variable > speed/pitch, and has more than one loop. I'll willing to buy two units > and run them in parallel if necessary...no syncing required. Hi Kris, That's the sort of looper I'm looking for too but add variable feedback control. I don't think any hardware device meet your specs: Boomerang, Repeater, Timefactor, EH 2880, RC-50 etc. Most manufacturers build delay's or (phrase) samplers, but nothing with best of both worlds in the price range of max $500. RC-50: - stereo: yes, audio quality is excellent - reverse: yes - variable speed and pitch: no => it has tempo sync option but it sounds horrible imo - loops: 3, running in sync or independent - feedback control: sort of => no delay type of variable feedback control using an expression pedal. Workaround: send sub-outputs to auxility in (stereo), level decreases with each loop depending on the aux-in level Sjaak --- Scarlet One, ADSL 6 Mbps + Telefonie, vanaf EUR 29,95... http://www.scarlet.be/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 12 18:56:46 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5FD123BF08; Mon, 12 Nov 2007 18:56:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Ninja-PIM: Scanned by Ninja X-Ninja-AttachmentFiltering: (no action) From: Jeff Larson To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2007 12:56:48 -0600 Subject: RE: Scripting/Command Chaining in the Max/MSP Kaiser Looper Thread-Topic: Scripting/Command Chaining in the Max/MSP Kaiser Looper Thread-Index: AcglWBAhaRALZzXoR32JrBgXU+2qqQABUlSQ Message-ID: <7872203368197C4691224688958BE71410ADEFFD4D@barq.sailpoint.com> References: <044201c824ab$e2203bf0$7db0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <047901c824c7$9aef3940$7db0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <04ea01c82558$0d16d8d0$7db0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> In-Reply-To: <04ea01c82558$0d16d8d0$7db0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US acceptlanguage: en-US Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Resent-Message-ID: <96R5RD.A.13B.uHKOHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76321 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2007 18:56:46 +0000 (UTC) I forget what the question was, but in general Max/MSP is going to be more powerful than Mobius scripts, not so much due to limitations in the scripting language but due to MSP's object architecture. The Mobius architecture is relatively fixed, you have a great deal of control over how it behaves but you can't add fundamentally new behavior such as your "pedal controlled portamento" example. The tradeoff is that there are things built into Mobius that would be incredibly difficult to do in Max. Not impossible mind you, but hard enough that no one would bother. (Your question about Mobius buffer handling touches on some of that, I don't have time to respond to that one right now.) > 5. However, I hook up my expression pedals to two inlets in the object > (~line) that determines the start pitch, end pitch, and duration times= , such > that with one pedal I control the ending pitch (or it could be beginni= ng), > and the other pedal controls the time it takes for the pitch change= from > beginning to end point to occur). As Per says, the fundamental missing feature is continuously variable pitch shifting, Mobius only exposes shifting in chromatic steps. Internally of course a pitch shift is just a floating point number, I just restrict the selection of those numbers in the UI. If there were enough interest I could expose a new CC controller for continuous pitch and rate shift. Assuming for a moment that we did have the ability to set arbitrary pitches, you would script this something like this: - Write three "control scripts" that monitor the CCs for start pitch, end pitch, and duration. These take the raw MIDI CC values and store them in a global variable. This is their only function, they just set global variables. - Write a portamento script that does the following: - gets the "start pitch" global variable, scale it from a MIDI CC number to a pitch value (with some provided conversion functions) - enter a loop for some predefined number of iterations, this number forms the "granularity" of the portamento, there is never actually continuous portamento, you just set the pitch to a value, waiting a short amount of time, then setting the pitch to the next value. The granularity needs to be fine enough so that you don't hear the "steps". - pause for a number of milliseconds calculated from the duration global variable and the granularity - Raise/lower the pitch to move toward the end pitch global variable. The amount of shift is calculated from the current duration, the number of remaining granules, and the distance to the target pitch. - repeat the loop until we reach the desired pitch While I think this is possible, there is likely to be a lot more math involved than the corresponding Max configuration. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 12 19:36:55 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3A1493BF14; Mon, 12 Nov 2007 19:36:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-priority:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; bh=jCx9I5M7hSuOdMWuAcFEjRFW+xVAD/qKVR2yDma5YgY=; b=d3Sr8ZZ8DpF+7v7UWSnpgha+Re+lDhNraMioZgSanMXWp9DfifKzSmVEBBvZzqsgJzvwLcJqbFuifO+4NUc0CJ6NBqihMuGUrXUYAonZHwJx34PdY4XNQ8/t5bE631/s9P4trDyoaoGMCVmSnprmhRmq4ep9F79nDrjEYsg9S90= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-priority:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=b99WUAPBW3twVo/mEU4MsKOTZw8lpojMchFBmk/wHhsfZ6AD1TLgpjCmVA+6lccy/xsBdJlDX1M+fycE20jpyth9MC+mnJKdhupo+dAv0TELb4c3V2NFq6YzjJwXipRTfTTwC8EXiM8YXaApPwd6sG6638uYPVyXQX+FJHXD4Dc= In-Reply-To: <04ea01c82558$0d16d8d0$7db0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> References: <044201c824ab$e2203bf0$7db0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <047901c824c7$9aef3940$7db0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <04ea01c82558$0d16d8d0$7db0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <961FC3FA-CB7C-4EE5-930D-02648490F4D0@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Scripting/Command Chaining in the Max/MSP Kaiser Looper Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2007 20:36:47 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: <-t4MnC.A.g_C.WtKOHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76322 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2007 19:36:55 +0000 (UTC) On 12 nov 2007, at 19.15, Krispen Hartung wrote: > Per, I can elaborate with a specific scenario of what I'm planning > to do. > > 1. I record a 20 second loop (just free note and chordal improv) > 2. I hit the play button to playback the recorded loop > 3. At the same time, or anytime during playback, I hit a new button > on my MIDI controller that triggers a gradual pitch (and speed) > change to the recorded loop > 4. The max objects that initiate the pitch change will have a fixed > pre-set that determines the starting pitch, the ending pitch, and > the time it takes to go from this start pitch to end pitch; for > example, right now it is set to start at normal speed ("1" in the > max object), and gradually change the pitch of the loop to -.02 in > reverse (that is very, very slow and low...it sounds amazing). > 5. However, I hook up my expression pedals to two inlets in the > object (~line) that determines the start pitch, end pitch, and > duration times, such that with one pedal I control the ending pitch > (or it could be beginning), and the other pedal controls the time > it takes for the pitch change from beginnnig to end point to occur). > > I could change the function so that the pitch starts from -0.2 > (very low and in reverse) moves gradually to 1 (normal speed), and > then continues in forward at amost a standstill, to as high as I > want (let's say 20 octaves above initial pitch?). I could change > the values with my expression pedals and hit the button again, to > re-trigger the continuous pitch change with the new values. That seems to be a very useful sequence of actions. But since Jeff have already answered I won't torture my brain with that. I can imagine how your patch will sound, and it's truly awesome! However, I think rather than scripting I would perform all the listed actions manually, to implement your idea with Mobius. When researching this post I listened back to an old recording of mine from last year, where I used the script I wrote about in an earlier mail in this thread. It gives a kind of "psychedelic symphony orchestra" touch. Can be heard around 2:50 into the file targeted by this playlist: http://www.jamendo.com/get/track/id/track/audio/play/32656 As I said, I'm generally turning more to manually mangling. Simply kicking Mobius into Overdub Mode and recording your playing while changing the Rate Shift from an expression pedal is very powerful for sound design. When I had the TC Electronic device I used it for this type of real-time mangling (I had to sell it but will probably buy a new as soon as I can afford it). I tried to implement that function in the VST effects I now replace the Fireworx with, but it crashes the computer. My guess is that Steinberg is to blame for this because they never took responsibility for keeping the VST code put out there by Coding Avarage Joe clean. I also read the posts about the new Eventide Time Factor and I compared it's specifications with the Fireworx. It doesn't have half the amount of effect modules you get with the Fireworx and a second hand Fireworx is just a little more dough than a new Time Factor. But on the other hand, If you do not use badly coded VST's it might be possible to set up such real-time processing on just a laptop. That's also tempting for the future. I guess that AU plug-ins in OS X in general are more stable than VST in Windows, but then you miss out on Mobius. Ouch.... the market for an advanced and highly configurable OS X looping software is really prosperous. I have also been thinking about making one with MAX/msp, but it would just be so damn boring and time consuming that it's just no worth it. I'm checking out a very cool AU plug-in now, Riverrun. Next thing to try out is if it can be automated in real-time in Bidule on a Mac. It's granular plug-in that freezes, slows down and speeds up the audio buffer. My idea is that you should be able to play it just like a looper. Assigning expression pedals to stuff like Granule Size, Speed, Random. And then assign buttons for Record and for "playing" the pitch of the granular loop like a Moog pedal. With that monster you might only need one or two Augustus Loop (after Riverrun). For examples of how Riverrun sounds, check out the television show Super Natural. Steve Tavaglione uses Riverrun a lot in the soundtracks to each episode. But he's just scratching its surface. Riverrun is also included in the DAW Digital Performer. The Michael Norris granular AU plug-ins are similar (as is the KT Granulator) but in comparison Riverrun just blows them away. 'nuff said, I'm out. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://www.youtube.com/pellibox (gritty) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 12 20:05:53 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DB22F3BF1A; Mon, 12 Nov 2007 20:05:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-priority:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; bh=5Gvr1P3TBUtxUYpoEO+QEh2dxrw3448P7f5alEEJXqw=; b=pfOpinmrN7BKo1urv3poqsMon7yIN9hchFFlp0ghYT69lSigjHPSOkzlX8E6xu7h1zLSLq9O7h4yNv2RaYbj8stUVFNhMe0wahuuj34rQJFbfVbhVfOyOwmeiy9nI1lobjKdOQlOW2voeR4GBhDlHaUJdGEEEBzBi8urC1PNsdo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-priority:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=FiI25CviX5kbPuQB7NigOqZncBvXirTiV/SWOeKwXv9YfbBhi8sgfzHKg3+4ab0rzIItG+qcxbrOxwWW0ocrJG5wpSKENyrwIhfjXPAerOSowRYbyQFW+W5c4ZBhn8E8ClDs5JaRVD/KK8kGD8kmcmdwqBdReJrlEmllY2ZqSIA= In-Reply-To: <001001c8218e$304db210$0202a8c0@YOUR08D5303051> References: <005d01c820ef$2fe8d600$6401a8c0@dayglogreen> <4e16609f985e103a540f39ea7570948a@charter.net> <001001c8218e$304db210$0202a8c0@YOUR08D5303051> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <3F4D839B-BAEC-468C-B9B3-EA95A2091F0F@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: LOOP CD review: Erdem Helvacioglu's Altered Realities Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2007 21:05:47 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76323 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2007 20:05:53 +0000 (UTC) On 7 nov 2007, at 23.33, Jeff Duke wrote: > I got it here for instant gratification! > http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_ss_dmusic/104-5797716-7464701? > url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=Erdem+Helvacio%3Flu > It's really great... > Jeff Oh damn.... now I have finally moved my precious money from the PayPal to the VISA only to find that Amazon supports VISA but not VISA outside the US. I just refuse to buy those lousy 128 kbps files from iTunes. Oh well... need to do some more research I guess. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://www.youtube.com/pellibox (gritty) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 12 20:26:42 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C74513BF1E; Mon, 12 Nov 2007 20:26:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: AW: RC-50 and Speed Control Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2007 21:27:11 +0100 Organization: Moinlabs Message-ID: <001101c8256a$679b2100$1001a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <050801c82558$e80bb410$7db0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Thread-Index: AcglWOic9BYDBZS2TDSeE0tDv9RouwAC9Q+A X-RZG-AUTH: lUESeo99iNzPL8kuBgLYdKEqUywq9cxqeRA+BtFcSCD5deQ7OIWFA4i++g== X-RZG-CLASS-ID: mo07 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76324 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2007 20:26:42 +0000 (UTC) > My dream is a stereo EDP/Looperlative/Repeater like unit,=20 > inside a USB/Computer programmable floor unit the size of the=20 > EDP foot controller, complete with multiple TRS expression=20 > pedal jacks for controlling volume, pitch, fades, etc, and a=20 > USB connectors for hooking up more MIDI controllers to access=20 > more features. I'd pay $2000 + for that unit if it popped up=20 > on the market. You mean, like the thing I described in one of my last emails? ;-) I'd like to explain some of the problems below (and also explain why = some of the problems you see do not exist). First, your description of "I sit all day in front of a computer, I = don't want to wait one minute and then stare at a screen and type away = on a keyboard to make music" is not necessarily true for the embedded = system approach I described. We did use e.g. the microspace computers to prototype embedded systems = for automotive use. These are fanless embedded PCs with automotive = qualification (meaning: no noise except from the harddisk, or no noise = at all if you use solid state disks - what we did, and nothing like = Per's overheating problems, even if air flow is somewhat restricted). = (Don't know about prices for these, but they are fairly expensive...they = don't offer quotes on www.digitallogic.ch. Another even smaller option = ist this http://www.visual-data.de/VD-WWWVDCoreBox-Features.htm at = 145x200x50mm). You could (and I'm going to talk a little about the "could" below) set = up a linux system on these with minimum mass storage and computer = performance requirements from the OS alone (meaning it would run off a = 8MB solid state disk and work with 16MB for the OS including drivers = for the necessary devices if that was really necessary) and boots up in = less than 10 seconds. Then you could run PureData on this system, which = might do what you expect from your "favourite embedded looper" if you = implement a patch. For controllers, you could use e.g. this one http://tinyurl.com/2e9u6s = (=E2=82=AC129) to connect up to 12 expression pedals or analoge knobs = and 16 foot switches (or rotary encoders).=20 Then your user interface might include this = http://www.visual-data.de/VD-WWW-includ_usb.htm (=E2=82=AC55) and a few = of the LEDs I mentioned earlier ( = http://www.delcom-eng.com/products_USBLMP.asp, but I believe there are = better solutions than that). You'll need an audio interface if you don't want to run with the = integrated AC97 of these systems (which I expect you wouldn't for = latency issues alone). Typical better-quality interfaces (like this one = http://tinyurl.com/2rpe2j) don't come much smaller than 164x148x44mm, = unless you really want to spend money and search for tricky parts (the = apogee digital PCXpress card combined with these miniature micpres with = digital ports and then something small sized for D/A would come to = mind). Taking audio interface and computer together, the package size is = something like 310x200x50mm. Put a few footswitches on top of it (take = small ones), and you can add 5-10 foot switches, the LCD display, some = LEDs and some rotary encoders. Plus you still have connectors for up to = 12 (twelve!) expression pedals. The thing will actually be smaller than = a Boss RC-50 which you mentioned (472 x 64 x 198 mm) and have sooo much = more power! The downside? You have to do that yourself. But once you get it running = (and this will really be exactly what you want it to be!), it's really = just a case of unpacking, connecting your guitar and the mains (and = maybe the twelve expression pedals) and starting to play - it has booted = up before you even strap on your guitar. Just a thought... Rainer From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 12 20:35:36 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CF95A3BF1B; Mon, 12 Nov 2007 20:35:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 398 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Mon, 12 Nov 2007 20:35:36 UTC DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.co.uk; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=GYaygs7dDR+jLvfei2WVoZ9YEjxoZ8x/dusfno+XglBvSKojxmGhAYxBwsb0HPRLuJZGVIVe5rqLOtbv5nDAEjoNcV1pUoGEi0zQMFsnG/WIVX4O78jelPWnaxl5shPuC+1EL4wnf2fMSiSzkOaviqlR1AXN702vYTJ+4A0v8/g=; X-YMail-OSG: 8A4Kvb8VM1m7RKGMcQ9CvB0HI0FzHNex8wtPCBE_r_6vl38fMXaO.pZDLr_zJDxJJ_lXjvm4KbivNCJ9I7Bvr98o_YqfMe5v38tKZD12Zna9WJJHRG8OJKRo6IE- Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2007 20:28:56 +0000 (GMT) From: Stuart Masters Subject: Boss RC50 assignable outputs To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-2135264242-1194899336=:40480" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <502607.40480.qm@web26315.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76325 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2007 20:35:36 +0000 (UTC) --0-2135264242-1194899336=:40480 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi there, I just wondered if anyone had experience of assigning outputs with RC50? I love the flexibility it potentially offers live but I've yet to find a way of permanently assigning a mic to one output and a guitar/instrument to another. I can't seem to work out how to have my main vocal mic going through the RC50 and then to the PA and my guitar going through and then to another channel or an amp. Does anyone know if this is possible, please? I heard from someone that you can only assign outputs in pairs and am hoping that's not the case! I also can't stop the tempo lights flashing, even if I'm not using the tempo function, but that's another matter! I'd appreciate your views on this! Thanks, Stuart stuartmasters@bigfoot.com --------------------------------- For ideas on reducing your carbon footprint visit Yahoo! For Good this month. --0-2135264242-1194899336=:40480 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
        Hi there,
         
        I just wondered if anyone had experience of assigning outputs with RC50? I love the flexibility it potentially offers live but I've yet to find a way of permanently assigning a mic to one output and a guitar/instrument to another. 
         
        I can't seem to work out how to have my main vocal mic going through the RC50 and then to the PA and my guitar going through and then to another channel or an amp. Does anyone know if this is possible, please? I heard from someone that you can only assign outputs in pairs and am hoping that's not the case!
         
        I also can't stop the tempo lights flashing, even if I'm not using the tempo function, but that's another matter!
         
        I'd appreciate your views on this!
         
        Thanks,
         
        Stuart


        stuartmasters@bigfoot.com

        For ideas on reducing your carbon footprint visit Yahoo! For Good this month. --0-2135264242-1194899336=:40480-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 12 21:52:01 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C913D3BF1D; Mon, 12 Nov 2007 21:52:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <058a01c82576$40cb19c0$7db0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <001101c8256a$679b2100$1001a8c0@succubus> Subject: Re: RC-50 and Speed Control Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2007 14:51:56 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="utf-8"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76326 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2007 21:52:01 +0000 (UTC) Very nice, Rainer. It does look like it is possible. > The downside? You have to do that yourself. But once you get it running > (and this will really be exactly what you want it to be!), it's really > just a case of unpacking, connecting your guitar and the mains (and maybe > the twelve expression pedals) and starting to play - it has booted up > before you even strap on your guitar. Dowside 2/3: I get quarantied by airport security for carrying a suspicoud bomb-like contraption, and my wife divorces me because of all the time required in my basement to build and maintain this thing. :) Speaking of small computers that run XP, check these out: http://www.flipstartpc.com/#home (it runs XP or Vista. No firewire or cardbus, unfortunately). http://www.oqo.com/ (again, only USB) http://www.tiqit.com/ (has PCMCIA !!!) What would be cool is a tiny computer like this runnning XP/Visa, and your favorite looping software, and then have your MIDI controller talk to it via Bluetooth. I am guessing that pro quality audio interfaces will get smaller over time too. A Fireface 400 in the size of a pack of cigarettes would be ideal. And then a soft/fold up MIDI foot controller, something like this http://www.binarydesigns.com.au/bdstore/SOFTKEYS.html but with buttons not piano keys. The whole system could be put in a Scooby Do lunchbox. Kris From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 12 22:25:19 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2D3353BF1C; Mon, 12 Nov 2007 22:25:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=R2bub0C7zh0fnYGZLLRKiy7Z+p4DyuI/PuZ2GoYgtHQ=; b=n8R9dBxtEdaE6NtpMaqBgjwPmysHgLesTlx3R4lvG5o0mDRaLEM0izYm+eqrc9GikQqQyiyQ9HIe1R+S2O45HWGunoK3HTq2YfV6mOHq/v17nO5B2RORiHrxbtjO0X0Mn4f83WJ7W+Gtlr2OQBeaU42doLfzRCWRn1YSfacSzeE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=ZOkbopER5Za17iGuSSsaxQ9+krepxd03gIMRlkZ4iyDKhfJ9zDd4ANhvacyU6EXc/U362g1n/ck/Qau36vIMLAvtkOliOmqzVd0LyHJlty6WDtz4CBhd6XJOhMUJZ79jU8ytV1AM0PMwWHIJwQHw7lDltp6i/0OG35j5pwSb4XY= Message-ID: <9e0440a60711121425l7f56fb07k3a20814981bcac59@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2007 17:25:17 -0500 From: "Jim Goodin" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Ninjam techbabble (was: Chinapainting article) In-Reply-To: <47388411.6010209@mhorse.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_6537_14484003.1194906317556" References: <200711121637.lACGbmG9008199@post.webmailer.de> <47388411.6010209@mhorse.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76327 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2007 22:25:19 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_6537_14484003.1194906317556 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Rainer thanks for the intense details which gloss me over a bit wide-eyed but in the end all I can say is NinJam has been a tremendous find and echoing Daryl's words, if it hadn't been for your "brilliant" idea Chinapainting might have never come to be. True Daryl and I had met and e-talked about it but frankly the Kyberfest was the rock-in-roll. We had a pre-Kyber session that was just magic really if I"m not too arrogant or boastful in saying. Additionally you had set me up to go live with Michael and Darkroom subbing for Os so Michael and I had a pre-session that was pretty cool and by live time on Sunday I was just blown away. It was just so cool being part of that from clear across the country and then after Y2K shutdown, Daryl, Warren and I did another session. All this just totally revolutionized my last year of music making and sense of approach. Yes there is a subtle "sync" difference but I came from a background of analog recording/broadcast engineering in the 80's and I've always loved slap-back echo which is what that "sync" feeling reminded me of on the early NJ experiences ref'ed here. After a wee bit of time was totally adjusted and again, thanks for helping give good mojo that really set Chinapainting full sail. Best Jim On Nov 12, 2007 11:49 AM, Daryl Shawn wrote: > Thanks for all these details, Rainer (and you know, I really have given > you more specific credit for your part in how Chinapainting came > together...Kyberfest was your brilliant idea!). > > ------=_Part_6537_14484003.1194906317556 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline
        Rainer thanks for the intense details which gloss me over a bit wide-eyed but in the end all I can say is NinJam has been a tremendous find and echoing Daryl's words, if it hadn't been for your "brilliant" idea Chinapainting might have never come to be.  True Daryl and I had met and e-talked about it but frankly the Kyberfest was the rock-in-roll.  We had a pre-Kyber session that was just magic really if I"m not too arrogant or boastful in saying.  Additionally you had set me up to go live with Michael and Darkroom subbing for Os so Michael and I had a pre-session that was pretty cool and by live time on Sunday I was just blown away.  It was just so cool being part of that from clear across the country and then after Y2K shutdown, Daryl, Warren and I did another session.  All this just totally revolutionized my last year of music making and sense of approach. 
         
        Yes there is a subtle "sync" difference but I came from a background of analog recording/broadcast engineering in the 80's and I've always loved slap-back echo which is what that "sync" feeling reminded me of on the early NJ experiences ref'ed here.  After a wee bit of time was totally adjusted and again, thanks for helping give good mojo that really set Chinapainting full sail.
         
        Best
         
        Jim

        On Nov 12, 2007 11:49 AM, Daryl Shawn <highhorse@mhorse.com> wrote:
        Thanks for all these details, Rainer (and you know, I really have given
        you more specific credit for your part in how Chinapainting came
        together...Kyberfest was your brilliant idea!).

        ------=_Part_6537_14484003.1194906317556-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 12 22:26:25 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id ADDC33BF23; Mon, 12 Nov 2007 22:26:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4738D304.6030408@post.cybercity.dk> Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2007 23:26:12 +0100 From: van Sinn Organization: van Sinn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: RC-50 and Speed Control References: <001101c8256a$679b2100$1001a8c0@succubus> <058a01c82576$40cb19c0$7db0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> In-Reply-To: <058a01c82576$40cb19c0$7db0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76328 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2007 22:26:25 +0000 (UTC) Krispen Hartung wrote: > What would be cool is a tiny computer like this runnning XP/Vista... Vista? Has anyone yet written low-latency drivers for any serious audio interface for Vista? Last time (resently) they talked about it on rec.audio.pro/tech, noone was even the slightest interested in Vista for this reason - and the DRM crap. Everybody agreed they'd stay on XP as long as it lives, then go to Mac (if not already) and/or Linux. Of cause, a servicepack might change things (+ I may need correction). -- rgds, van Sinn From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 12 22:27:22 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9FAC93BF13; Mon, 12 Nov 2007 22:27:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=m3YAMEIl0HU3saRVqGNza7jfxw1mzJUlF/c0h2t/QuLBsqK+XPY/kNEPG0pC2TAtyD6GsgQvfYLatC0mloFZG0obRIitpKhZCYSHK10DwbC8uhD4ZwbGsBYhC85DCi30hljueqqK/ar1NR2v7OlLlenFK/dVAyzTOA2vhBarKqc=; X-YMail-OSG: rbB9w6UVM1nkmF3Te5XkGekV0NN0ihNkHsv5lptLppT2e0R_VjIRZT7lVtg_CTxBSqH0knRN78uYpGp5LtNhu_qZmM_Dl308nGvVjpBY Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2007 14:27:21 -0800 (PST) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: What would it take?(wasRe: RC-50 and Speed Control) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <596663.67560.qm@web38615.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: <9QqocC.A.0GB.KNNOHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76329 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2007 22:27:22 +0000 (UTC) if there was only someone outhere that would take it into his own and do upgrades for the RC-50(like Bob sellon did witth lexicons jaman) this could be an amazing floor looper...its too bad so many promising devices get left out unfinished! although i dont own one i was very tempted to buy one,simply because of all the I/Os connecting possibilities,led screen,drum goroves,saving capabilities,stereo,etc. lots of good and positive things about it,i remeber even Kim Flint commenting on it and getting excited about it, until i started reading that it lacks very important things for many of us,but lets dream a bit about it, what would need to be implemented on this babys software to become "the floor looper of loopers"? Maybe theres a another Bob Sellon outhere! from what ive read so far so far the following are missing or are proving disatisfactory: feedback Pitch transposing time stretching replace sync fix multiple loops playing at once next loop multiple undo multiply cut and paste so far 10 important features,now how hard could it be to implement this? > RC-50: > - stereo: yes, audio quality is excellent > - reverse: yes > - variable speed and pitch: no => it has tempo sync > option but it sounds horrible imo > - loops: 3, running in sync or independent > - feedback control: sort of => no delay type of > variable feedback control using an expression pedal. > Workaround: send sub-outputs to auxility in > (stereo), level decreases with each loop depending > on the aux-in level > > Sjaak > --- > Scarlet One, ADSL 6 Mbps + Telefonie, vanaf EUR > 29,95... > http://www.scarlet.be/ > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom ____________________________________________________________________________________ Get easy, one-click access to your favorites. Make Yahoo! your homepage. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 12 22:37:22 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E1DAD3BF2A; Mon, 12 Nov 2007 22:37:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4738D595.1030401@post.cybercity.dk> Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2007 23:37:09 +0100 From: van Sinn Organization: van Sinn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: AW: RC-50 and Speed Control References: <001101c8256a$679b2100$1001a8c0@succubus> In-Reply-To: <001101c8256a$679b2100$1001a8c0@succubus> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76330 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2007 22:37:22 +0000 (UTC) Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill wrote: > ..snipped.. > You'll need an audio interface if you don't want to run with the integrated > AC97 of these systems (which I expect you wouldn't for latency issues alone). > Typical better-quality interfaces (like this one http://tinyurl.com/2rpe2j) > don't come much smaller than 164x148x44mm, unless you really want to spend > money and search for tricky parts (the apogee digital PCXpress card combined > with these miniature micpres with digital ports and then something small sized > for D/A would come to mind). > ..snipped.. > > Just a thought... > > Rainer Snipped your other very good ideas; thanks a lot. The E-MU® 1212M - http://www.emu.com/products/product.asp?product=9872 referredly sell at ~$100 in the US, dunno about european prices. This would give more analog I/O for stereo use, plus add S/PDIF and MIDI connections, if needed, all with pretty low latencies. One issue: As a two-card sandwich, it fills two PCI places, though only require one PCI _slot_ for connections. Your mentioned VIA board can be used with an angled PCI adapter/riser. Depending on how much it lifts above the mobo, the EMU sandwich may fall in place. Google <+"E-MU 1212M" +linux +driver> suggests Linux/ALSA support; only checked some of those links. Somewhere in this, EMU1212m is mentioned: http://www.alsa-project.org/main/index.php/Changes_v1.0.13_v1.0.14rc1 For my own ideas, I'd still consider a USB touch-panel effective for a GUI design, even if more costly shopping, as it obliverates the need for designing buttons (electronics/mechanics), which of cause depends on the product target. A looper may not need much GUI operation. YMMV.. Haven't looked much for such an [affordable] panel, though.. This thread is geting more'n'more interesting by the hour ;) (BTW, please set your Outlook to autowrap at ~72 chars :) ) -- rgds, van Sinn From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 12 22:41:02 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9E2DC3BF30; Mon, 12 Nov 2007 22:41:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4738D672.4000106@post.cybercity.dk> Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2007 23:40:50 +0100 From: van Sinn Organization: van Sinn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: What would it take?(wasRe: RC-50 and Speed Control) References: <596663.67560.qm@web38615.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <596663.67560.qm@web38615.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76331 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2007 22:41:02 +0000 (UTC) L.A. Angulo wrote: > if there was only someone outhere that would take it > into his own and do upgrades for the RC-50(like Bob > sellon did witth lexicons jaman) this could be an > amazing floor looper...its too bad so many promising > devices get left out unfinished! > although i dont own one i was very tempted to buy > one,simply because of all the I/Os connecting > possibilities,led screen,drum goroves,saving > capabilities,stereo,etc. lots of good and positive > things about it,i remeber even Kim Flint commenting on > it and getting excited about it, until i started > reading that it lacks very important things for many > of us,but lets dream a bit about it, what would need > to be implemented on this babys software to become > "the floor looper of loopers"? > Maybe theres a another Bob Sellon outhere! > from what ive read so far so far the following are > missing or are proving disatisfactory: > feedback > Pitch transposing > time stretching > replace > sync fix > multiple loops playing at once > next loop > multiple undo > multiply > cut and paste > > so far 10 important features,now how hard could it be > to implement this? Probably 'just' access to the source code, good knowledge of signal processing algorithms, and programming skills ;) Disassembling and reverse-engineering code is such a tedious job.. >>RC-50: >>- stereo: yes, audio quality is excellent >>- reverse: yes >>- variable speed and pitch: no => it has tempo sync >>option but it sounds horrible imo >>- loops: 3, running in sync or independent >>- feedback control: sort of => no delay type of >>variable feedback control using an expression pedal. >>Workaround: send sub-outputs to auxility in >>(stereo), level decreases with each loop depending >>on the aux-in level >> >>Sjaak -- rgds, van Sinn From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 12 22:49:02 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 406B73BF37; Mon, 12 Nov 2007 22:49:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=xTHx2i7Xd6W6LZtjyIFDCTA6J9hBe7iBnTvbWkcT25g=; b=FJ1PWqbw+DEWpu5dChLyibH6H291etKuyY+6yuvI+pFvLK/I78GuWflDR7V9tQeATtMpgYSC06k3+nEsZkBtAAuhTYjA8xOZx8CBghiLWfpuPqLE2gNg6ILUjJ8Lm8hEvII5XYUyPpYA0TtHT7zKt7yZbfiaFQCCjG1axxIGIUk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=U23UH7sit1CnahEB4mID0G4DNMKbFlKaKXxlMv7elUHFnNSLvxp/NeW/w6ZAhgqZN0RunhFm3SlXombRUqJloPX2bgTSbO+ZO30QXoWiRJo5hiNGuaGiFxULK1re8UVTIwFP6Qa0bsXLwAsbKqsOQKdy3XycFAlcyMvZky1Z6yM= Message-ID: Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2007 23:49:00 +0100 From: "Raul Bonell" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: one note song In-Reply-To: <005901c82544$c73b5f60$55b21e20$@com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_12779_4595731.1194907740547" References: <39DAFC30-965C-46C8-A9F2-14F444734F4B@gmail.com> <9E33712E-90A7-47C0-B7D9-B7E84EA8713C@gmail.com> <005901c82544$c73b5f60$55b21e20$@com> Resent-Message-ID: <-9XhdC.A.CSC.dhNOHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76332 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2007 22:49:02 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_12779_4595731.1194907740547 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Unveiling... is this correct? warr into mobius [into scrubby into mobius] (loop) all this build in audiomulch, bidule, etc... Visit scrubby's page creator. I found it at KVR. Very simple, funny and unpredictable... It is the same guy who invented "one record a day". Among all this geniuses & geniality one finds that "Scrubby" included two preset escales 'major' and 'minor', this last, bad written "CDEbFGABbC". Ra=FCl. 2007/11/12, Qua Veda : > > Yes, beautiful, please tell us more .. > -Qua > > -----Original Message----- > From: Per Boysen [mailto:perboysen@gmail.com] > Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 5:31 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: one note song > > On 12 nov 2007, at 13.44, Raul Bonell wrote: > > > Fantastic! Did you make that music? > > Certainly not... It was the puter who made it.. :-) > > Raul. (I'm not the puter) > > > Could you tell us about the process? > > Per > (not a puter either) > > > > > --=20 The Playing Orchestra: http://www.telefonica.net/web2/tpo Chain Tape Collective: http://www.ct-collective.com TPO at myspace: http://www.myspace.com/theplayingorchestra ------=_Part_12779_4595731.1194907740547 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Unveiling... is this correct?

        warr into mobius [into scrubby into mo= bius] (loop)
        all this build in audiomulch, bidule, etc...

        Visit = scrubby's page creator.
        I found it at KVR.

        Very simple, funn= y and unpredictable...=20

        It is the same guy who invented "one record a day".
        Among all this geniuses & geniality one finds that
        "Scrubby&q= uot; included two preset escales 'major'
        and 'minor', t= his last, bad written "CDEbFG ABbC".

        Ra=FCl= .


        2007/11/12, Qua Veda <qua@oregon.com>:
        Yes, beautiful, please tell us more ..
        -Qua

        -----Original Message= -----
        From: Per Boysen [mailto:pe= rboysen@gmail.com]
        Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 5:31 AM
        To:=20 Loopers-Delight@loop= ers-delight.com
        Subject: Re: one note song

        On 12 nov 2007, at= 13.44, Raul Bonell wrote:

        > Fantastic! Did you make that music?
        > Certainly not... It was the puter who made it..  :-)
        = > Raul. (I'm not the puter)


        Could you tell us about the p= rocess?

        Per
        (not a puter either)




        =



        --
        The Playing Orchestra: http://www.telefonica.net/web2/tpo
        Chain= Tape Collective: http://www.ct-co= llective.com
        TPO at myspace: http://www.myspace.com/theplayingorchestra ------=_Part_12779_4595731.1194907740547-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 12 23:24:04 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id ED95C3BF2C; Mon, 12 Nov 2007 23:24:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=b01fwNIgm8OqH3YemLVdGll3maZyH+tfN4WNxTPVAtQ=; b=JG/Fz9J+YRmIotSV8gpBeZOgt8q/fdxzEcEqXPghElnemn2+7of0rSdLLCkvT/pG8nIDoGFdC2vmHLA+FQk9XKWi9jWCf3n9RkxQsnXl9Ymojz5gju+eho/2to56qSrN678h20b3Z+b3Jkm3vsmhaAoQIYncfSG7AKtuyzXn89o= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=kBKUEY469j0ju+uebK9hrgL+Kv/2XWjhiz8coiDti2C6mJW2mGq5UzScq2wDDmgvaKYv0T2vnk+NKgsGiDos+6HNjr5IwguZGxl/hEYJD4tOnvpRU14ozVTKjpwTTOd79NNAD5oo5PLdQkk9i95gpGUXKrAUIM+xsKABMkuRtXA= Message-ID: Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2007 15:24:01 -0800 From: "Travis Hartnett" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: What would it take?(wasRe: RC-50 and Speed Control) In-Reply-To: <596663.67560.qm@web38615.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <596663.67560.qm@web38615.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76333 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2007 23:24:03 +0000 (UTC) 1. Wasn't Bob a Lexicon employee who coded the upgrade in his spare time? 2. Whenever someone says "It shouldn't be too hard to...", it's usually not easy, and/or expensive to do so. TH On Nov 12, 2007 2:27 PM, L.A. Angulo wrote: > if there was only someone outhere that would take it > into his own and do upgrades for the RC-50(like Bob > sellon did witth lexicons jaman) this could be an > amazing floor looper...its too bad so many promising > devices get left out unfinished!... > Maybe theres a another Bob Sellon outhere! > from what ive read so far so far the following are > missing or are proving disatisfactory: > feedback > Pitch transposing > time stretching > replace > sync fix > multiple loops playing at once > next loop > multiple undo > multiply > cut and paste > > so far 10 important features,now how hard could it be > to implement this? > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 12 23:38:47 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C9CF13BF07; Mon, 12 Nov 2007 23:38:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4738E3FA.6050200@post.cybercity.dk> Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 00:38:34 +0100 From: van Sinn Organization: van Sinn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: What would it take?(wasRe: RC-50 and Speed Control) References: <596663.67560.qm@web38615.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76334 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2007 23:38:47 +0000 (UTC) Travis Hartnett wrote: > 1. Wasn't Bob a Lexicon employee who coded the upgrade in his spare time? Yup. > 2. Whenever someone says "It shouldn't be too hard to...", it's > usually not easy, and/or expensive to do so. Agreed. > On Nov 12, 2007 2:27 PM, L.A. Angulo wrote: > >>if there was only someone outhere that would take it >>into his own and do upgrades for the RC-50(like Bob >>sellon did witth lexicons jaman) this could be an >>amazing floor looper...its too bad so many promising >>devices get left out unfinished!... >>Maybe theres a another Bob Sellon outhere! >>from what ive read so far so far the following are >>missing or are proving disatisfactory: >>feedback >>Pitch transposing >>time stretching >>replace >>sync fix >>multiple loops playing at once >>next loop >>multiple undo >>multiply >>cut and paste >> >>so far 10 important features,now how hard could it be >>to implement this? -- rgds, van Sinn "I'd feel worse if it was the first time. I'd feel better if it was the last." -- from some Larry Niven book From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 12 23:41:58 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0F6C83BF2B; Mon, 12 Nov 2007 23:41:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <062401c82585$9c584dd0$7db0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <044201c824ab$e2203bf0$7db0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <047901c824c7$9aef3940$7db0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <04ea01c82558$0d16d8d0$7db0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <961FC3FA-CB7C-4EE5-930D-02648490F4D0@gmail.com> Subject: Re: Scripting/Command Chaining in the Max/MSP Kaiser Looper Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2007 16:41:54 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76335 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2007 23:41:57 +0000 (UTC) > When researching this post I listened back to an old recording of > mine from last year, where I used the script I wrote about in an > earlier mail in this thread. It gives a kind of "psychedelic symphony > orchestra" touch. Can be heard around 2:50 into the file targeted by > this playlist: > http://www.jamendo.com/get/track/id/track/audio/play/32656 Nice work. There is a lot going on here, so can you help me identify the looping effect at work? Or, if you can remember, what is happening with the script? I think at 2:50 I hear something new appear that is in the higher octaves....which also leads me to something like "ethereal dots" vs. bass dots. :) I think I'll create a max script that revolves through a sequence of intervals at about 10 octaves up. Kris From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 12 23:42:41 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 864403BF24; Mon, 12 Nov 2007 23:42:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 400 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Mon, 12 Nov 2007 23:42:41 UTC DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=mAkcMgdPc2hQIk6bsbfjZW5IDWmnn0GpTVHBE+SxrLGWXtTMJXhKYfDwk+eLxlT7+LtFFpzEGzRvuGojIMu+T3AXTDPtN2NMXeIFghZMPDvhonVd1/V5WMc9xfdR6RkjC+SMlEOwI8TpqzNBly+xHdUj+TJdU5Nsvyw9tFlr6tM=; X-YMail-OSG: 0CfYeqMVM1lEEB.IYrwBc35mqOmtmxQgD_ovtIO51A0fj8K81eUatXsdfKG84Ant5JMfJ3fd_7qmQnKILFReURFQxZ_2kud05pBf.LOEEo12WhoeDgY- Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2007 15:36:00 -0800 (PST) From: bill bigrig Subject: Re: one note song To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <343232.77798.qm@web32715.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76336 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2007 23:42:41 +0000 (UTC) howdy, i don't know about one note, but i played a song i wrote for a friend who toured with jerry lee Lewis in the 50s and he started cussing and grumbling saying,"bigrig if anybody could make a whole song with one chord sound good, it WOULD have to be you, grumble grumble". rig --- Raul Bonell wrote: > Who has not been tempted to perform a single note > piece ever? > The trick is about timing... you must be asleep at 6 > a.m. ... > ... now, to sleeeeepzz . .. zzZ ...zzZ ..... > > http://www.box.net/shared/lzt3mfe59e > > Raul. > -- > The Playing Orchestra: > http://www.telefonica.net/web2/tpo > Chain Tape Collective: http://www.ct-collective.com > TPO at myspace: > http://www.myspace.com/theplayingorchestra > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Get easy, one-click access to your favorites. Make Yahoo! your homepage. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 12 23:53:35 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 48D143BF33; Mon, 12 Nov 2007 23:53:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=kppwa99DCMgLoAgSePNPFWmf4mYfA2pUca+KO1JWffffrbby/Aa+LvtzLbiFekrZ; h=Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:To:Subject:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Message-ID: <29236485.1194911613884.JavaMail.root@elwamui-wigeon.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2007 18:53:33 -0500 (EST) From: stanitarium@earthlink.net Reply-To: stanitarium@earthlink.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: What would it take?(wasRe: RC-50 and Speed Control) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: EarthLink Zoo Mail 1.0 X-ELNK-Trace: e4eaaa48e0468cfae77aa5cb369a9f3f9ef193a6bfc3dd48af6011076dcfb278ecbe17c765e74e66666fa475841a1c7a350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.224.53 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76337 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2007 23:53:35 +0000 (UTC) in case anyone missed it-guitarplayer has a great overview of looping- mentionin RickWalker among others on this list-if ya scroll down -short history of looping-ya got bob sellon and gary hall who did the great jobs on my and many others Lexicon PCM 42s. http://www.guitarplayer.com/article/looping/Mar-06/18498 -----Original Message----- >From: van Sinn >Travis Hartnett wrote: >> 1. Wasn't Bob a Lexicon employee who coded the upgrade in his spare time? >Yup. >> 2. Whenever someone says "It shouldn't be too hard to...", it's >> usually not easy, and/or expensive to do so. >Agreed. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 13 01:05:31 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9E84F3BF3A; Tue, 13 Nov 2007 01:05:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <05cc01c8257f$ab507430$7db0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <001101c8256a$679b2100$1001a8c0@succubus> <058a01c82576$40cb19c0$7db0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <4738D304.6030408@post.cybercity.dk> Subject: Re: RC-50 and Speed Control Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2007 15:59:23 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: <8pPRnB.A.-M.bhPOHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76338 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 01:05:31 +0000 (UTC) Yes, RME, for the FW400/800. http://www.rme-audio.de/en_downloads.php?page=content/downloads/en_downloads_driver&subpage=content/downloads/en_downloads_driver_fireface And I'm sure, given the reputation of RME and their interfaces, that they wouldn't release anything with inferior performance to XP. Kris > Vista? Has anyone yet written low-latency drivers for any serious audio > interface for Vista? Last time (resently) they talked about it on > rec.audio.pro/tech, noone was even the slightest interested in Vista for > this reason - and the DRM crap. Everybody agreed they'd stay on XP as long > as it lives, then go to Mac (if not already) and/or Linux. > Of cause, a servicepack might change things (+ I may need correction). > > -- > rgds, > van Sinn > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 13 02:35:06 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 32E613BF32; Tue, 13 Nov 2007 02:35:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 1820 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Tue, 13 Nov 2007 02:35:05 UTC X-EN-OrigOutIP: 10.1.18.11 X-EN-IMPSID: C24i1Y0060EKrUA0000000 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2007 18:04:37 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Sean Echevarria Subject: Re: RC-50 and Speed Control In-Reply-To: <058a01c82576$40cb19c0$7db0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> References: <001101c8256a$679b2100$1001a8c0@succubus> <058a01c82576$40cb19c0$7db0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-EN-UserInfo: 4e12c5fe79f298d3e0334846d6e14b72:75caded3a5c52cf5820480c3dbce8e31 X-EN-AuthUser: seancreepingfog Sender: Sean Echevarria X-EN-OrigIP: 64.121.34.10 X-EN-OrigHost: 64-121-34-10.c3-0.snmt-ubr1.sfrn-snmt.ca.static.cable.rcn.com Message-Id: <20071113023505.BC69E3BF2D@arsenic.violacea.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76339 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 02:35:06 +0000 (UTC) More tiny guys here: http://www.umpcportal.com/modules/news/ Mostly under-powered compared to typical laptops, but the tiny market is definitely growing - one of the reasons I created my midi controller run as a hardware/software combo (but my controller does not roll up). At 2007.11.12 01:51 PM, Krispen Hartung wrote: >Speaking of small computers that run XP, check these out: > >http://www.flipstartpc.com/#home (it runs XP or Vista. No firewire >or cardbus, unfortunately). > >http://www.oqo.com/ (again, only USB) > >http://www.tiqit.com/ (has PCMCIA !!!) > >What would be cool is a tiny computer like this runnning XP/Visa, >and your favorite looping software, and then have your MIDI >controller talk to it via Bluetooth. I am guessing that pro quality >audio interfaces will get smaller over time too. A Fireface 400 in >the size of a pack of cigarettes would be ideal. And then a >soft/fold up MIDI foot controller, something like this >http://www.binarydesigns.com.au/bdstore/SOFTKEYS.html but with >buttons not piano keys. > >The whole system could be put in a Scooby Do lunchbox. > >Kris > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 13 02:50:38 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 42AEA3BF3C; Tue, 13 Nov 2007 02:50:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2007 21:50:49 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: paul Subject: Re: RC-50 and Speed Control In-Reply-To: <058a01c82576$40cb19c0$7db0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> References: <001101c8256a$679b2100$1001a8c0@succubus> <058a01c82576$40cb19c0$7db0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Message-Id: <20071113025035.F341E14E24@ns4.tnt21.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76340 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 02:50:38 +0000 (UTC) I'm a bit surprised that no one has brought up the mini pc's from Cappaccino.com take a look at this, http://www.cappuccinopc.com/digitalengine-945fx.asp#pictures it has support for a mini pci card, 2 gigs of ram, 4 usb ports, 1 firewire port, dvd rom and is only 6.5" square by 2" deep. Set it up with a 7" touchscreen which is all you need to see whats going on in mobius and you have on heck of a looping machine. Paul Haslem www.dulcify.ca At 04:51 PM 11/12/2007, you wrote: >Very nice, Rainer. It does look like it is possible. > >>The downside? You have to do that yourself. But once you get it >>running (and this will really be exactly what you want it to be!), >>it's really just a case of unpacking, connecting your guitar and >>the mains (and maybe the twelve expression pedals) and starting to >>play - it has booted up before you even strap on your guitar. > >Dowside 2/3: I get quarantied by airport security for carrying a >suspicoud bomb-like contraption, and my wife divorces me because of >all the time required in my basement to build and maintain this thing. :) > >Speaking of small computers that run XP, check these out: > >http://www.flipstartpc.com/#home (it runs XP or Vista. No firewire >or cardbus, unfortunately). > >http://www.oqo.com/ (again, only USB) > >http://www.tiqit.com/ (has PCMCIA !!!) > >What would be cool is a tiny computer like this runnning XP/Visa, >and your favorite looping software, and then have your MIDI >controller talk to it via Bluetooth. I am guessing that pro quality >audio interfaces will get smaller over time too. A Fireface 400 in >the size of a pack of cigarettes would be ideal. And then a >soft/fold up MIDI foot controller, something like this >http://www.binarydesigns.com.au/bdstore/SOFTKEYS.html but with >buttons not piano keys. > >The whole system could be put in a Scooby Do lunchbox. > >Kris > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 13 05:07:46 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EBD1F3BF34; Tue, 13 Nov 2007 05:07:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=e8MvynWJHFHtXtQfksbTMMK3YzHCP+bn56NqbgfArLBPUhNiIy3ZKRLnbkpMa19OUi+HSzikb//2cnxLtfOfxnYfP7G4nNPPxUq40gQPe5dA7D+IT4USNlTCP5l3baVuCRObzJRtB81/Ou5p4Gn8nDG0XPN1TCQSwlfrM6RlLt4=; X-YMail-OSG: c8Cp_KMVM1m1cE.M33f1hlL6hrjtFfdeLaQdEuEQd.Nm_Yo9LaNLkGskPzLOKUca80yCi22EYStCTSZMj3f..hv8LBYaVi0nXO0yao2aYG6AD4ap.qw- Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2007 21:07:44 -0800 (PST) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: Re: What would it take?(wasRe: RC-50 and Speed Control) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <235907.31200.qm@web38604.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76341 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 05:07:45 +0000 (UTC) well there goes the idea;-(( and probably a company like Roland would sue anybody trying to upgrade its code,but hey its nice to dream,now if they´d put a looper in their vg-99... cheers L.a --- Travis Hartnett wrote: > 1. Wasn't Bob a Lexicon employee who coded the > upgrade in his spare time? > > 2. Whenever someone says "It shouldn't be too hard > to...", it's > usually not easy, and/or expensive to do so. > > TH > > On Nov 12, 2007 2:27 PM, L.A. Angulo > wrote: > > if there was only someone outhere that would take > it > > into his own and do upgrades for the RC-50(like > Bob > > sellon did witth lexicons jaman) this could be an > > amazing floor looper...its too bad so many > promising > > devices get left out unfinished!... > > Maybe theres a another Bob Sellon outhere! > > from what ive read so far so far the following are > > missing or are proving disatisfactory: > > feedback > > Pitch transposing > > time stretching > > replace > > sync fix > > multiple loops playing at once > > next loop > > multiple undo > > multiply > > cut and paste > > > > so far 10 important features,now how hard could it > be > > to implement this? > > > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom ____________________________________________________________________________________ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 13 06:53:47 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9045C3BF3F; Tue, 13 Nov 2007 06:53:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Michael Peters" To: "Loopers Delight" References: Subject: RE: one note song Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 07:53:43 +0100 Message-ID: <002c01c825c1$ee62d730$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Thread-Index: Acglv9324BYATvMHQy2hE4wC15eGZgAAdb2Q Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76342 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 06:53:47 +0000 (UTC) > Visit scrubby's page creator. > Very simple, funny and unpredictable... ah, Scrubby ... I love this plugin ... I used it a lot on this http://www.michaelpeters.de/fieldperforming.htm -Michael From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 13 07:11:36 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6F7BC3BF47; Tue, 13 Nov 2007 07:11:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 01:11:27 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Mech Subject: Re: RC-50 and Speed Control Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <39W3EB.A.FLH.n4UOHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76343 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 07:11:36 +0000 (UTC) [Sorry if this comes through more than once. I keep trying to send and something's not quite right. :P] Now I thought I remembered seeing a statement from Mike/Leigh that said something to the effect that MIDI probably wouldn't be ready for the initial release, but that it would be one of the first updates. Or did I just hallucinate that.... :P --m. At 10:10 AM -0700 11/11/07, Krispen Hartung wrote: >That's too bad. Oh well. > >Kris > >*** > > >Actually, looking at the Boomerang site, they may be MIDI-style DIN-5 >connectors in actuality. The drawing for the rear panel shows six >connectors, but the photo of their Chorus/Delay pedal shows DIN-5, and >the manual for that pedal specifies that MIDI cables may be used to >connect the new series of Boomerang pedals so that preset changes on >one are transmitted to other pedals. 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        From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 13 07:18:47 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0B6353BF4C; Tue, 13 Nov 2007 07:18:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-priority:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; bh=le+qtqmXTXBOL2L7iRaDhpcbEeWoVvTMhU7UeZE51UA=; b=EsoDUoOEanmgKRfWcMJmSfuVDBuXIoD4XoPle8n+5q/RfsKLPuPIazbiAbbsXOWOZKAoWLVulLlBw/x1fB9RKhxVnCbLJx953LS7DyeznPdqnQLyNwIhXLjIQmV0y40X7Sm+t/4V3NzWiNLAakbDC/hCwJCac3r5JIU2sVmsF3Q= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-priority:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=IxLp3iGoFS7+dZTHH0n74FZy//JeONIP5GyFmP/OTGss9QPWkRXJSNalXz/V4MnhfTO0tiWkzd3c5tDmDvnExQKj1jJ1e4Dx+3ISizFdaFCeXv36XqeFDjf8SwG1Dq/o5ZSfbfLzO7FnoeUmC31cMm76rcP0PoLCaqOmW6Krg0E= In-Reply-To: <062401c82585$9c584dd0$7db0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> References: <044201c824ab$e2203bf0$7db0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <047901c824c7$9aef3940$7db0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <04ea01c82558$0d16d8d0$7db0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <961FC3FA-CB7C-4EE5-930D-02648490F4D0@gmail.com> <062401c82585$9c584dd0$7db0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <129FEEA9-37D6-4A58-8513-49AE8EDA9F53@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Scripting/Command Chaining in the Max/MSP Kaiser Looper Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 08:18:41 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76344 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 07:18:46 +0000 (UTC) >> When researching this post I listened back to an old recording of >> mine from last year, where I used the script I wrote about in an >> earlier mail in this thread. It gives a kind of "psychedelic >> symphony orchestra" touch. Can be heard around 2:50 into the file >> targeted by this playlist: >> http://www.jamendo.com/get/track/id/track/audio/play/32656 > On 13 nov 2007, at 00.41, Krispen Hartung wrote: > Nice work. There is a lot going on here, so can you help me > identify the > looping effect at work? Or, if you can remember, what is happening > with the script? I think at 2:50 I hear something new appear that is > in the higher octaves....which also leads me to something like > "ethereal dots" vs. bass dots. :) I think I'll create a max script > that > revolves through a sequence of intervals at about 10 octaves up. > Kris Difficult to explain in words because a looper script sounds all different depending on what sounding audio you keep feeding the looper while the script goes on. So I'm pasting in the script below for you to read. Since this particular piece of music happened in 6/8 I used my 6/8 version. Other timings look a little different. The full script title is quite informative: "Chromatic Rate Shift Waves". Also note that I use this script in "Interfac Mode = Expert" which means the SUSSubstitute feedback is linked to the setting of Alternative Feedback, which in the example clip was set to full (equalling "Overdub"). Also note that Alternative Feedback under Expert Mode is broken in the latest Mobius beta, so this script loses a lot of its performance power (I've been waiting hopefully for this bug to be fixed for quite some beta versions, don't remember exactly. Guess it's just not a priority). The cool thing with this, and similar long duration scripts, is that it affects the performed music for it's double length. What happens when you run the script is that the loop is going faster and slower, raising and falling in pitch, behind your playing. Then on the second run (maybe some 30 seconds later) the old loop comes back, now punctuated with "hits" that slow down, speed up, raise or fall in pitch. I know the script can be written a lot shorter with todays updated Mobius scripting, but when I first did it we didn't have the Repeat line available. I will fresh up all my similar scripts as soon as a the above mentioned bug is fixed, so it makes more sense using these scripts. Per ______________________ !name ChromaRateShWaves68 Variable save8thsPerCycle set save8thsPerCycle 8thsPerCycle set 8thsPerCycle 32 InstantMultiply 6 Wait last RateShift 0 SUSSubstitute Wait subcycles 1 RateShift -1 SUSSubstitute Wait subcycles 1 RateShift -2 SUSSubstitute Wait subcycles 1 RateShift -3 SUSSubstitute Wait subcycles 1 RateShift -4 SUSSubstitute Wait subcycles 1 RateShift -5 SUSSubstitute Wait subcycles 1 RateShift -6 SUSSubstitute Wait subcycles 1 RateShift -7 SUSSubstitute Wait subcycles 1 RateShift -8 SUSSubstitute Wait subcycles 1 RateShift -9 SUSSubstitute Wait subcycles 1 RateShift -10 SUSSubstitute Wait subcycles 1 RateShift -11 SUSSubstitute Wait subcycles 1 RateShift -12 SUSSubstitute Wait subcycles 1 RateShift -13 SUSSubstitute Wait subcycles 1 RateShift -14 SUSSubstitute Wait subcycles 1 RateShift -15 SUSSubstitute Wait subcycles 1 RateShift -16 SUSSubstitute Wait subcycles 1 RateShift -17 SUSSubstitute Wait subcycles 1 RateShift -18 SUSSubstitute Wait 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SUSSubstitute Wait subcycles 1 RateShift -14 SUSSubstitute Wait subcycles 1 RateShift -15 SUSSubstitute Wait subcycles 1 RateShift -16 SUSSubstitute Wait subcycles 1 RateShift -17 SUSSubstitute Wait subcycles 1 RateShift -18 SUSSubstitute Wait subcycles 1 RateShift -19 SUSSubstitute Wait subcycles 1 RateShift -20 SUSSubstitute Wait subcycles 1 RateShift -21 SUSSubstitute Wait subcycles 1 RateShift -22 SUSSubstitute Wait subcycles 1 RateShift -23 SUSSubstitute Wait subcycles 1 RateShift -24 SUSSubstitute Wait subcycles 1 RateShift -23 SUSSubstitute Wait subcycles 1 RateShift -22 SUSSubstitute Wait subcycles 1 RateShift -21 SUSSubstitute Wait subcycles 1 RateShift -20 SUSSubstitute Wait subcycles 1 RateShift -19 SUSSubstitute Wait subcycles 1 RateShift -18 SUSSubstitute Wait subcycles 1 RateShift -17 SUSSubstitute Wait subcycles 1 RateShift -16 SUSSubstitute Wait subcycles 1 RateShift -15 SUSSubstitute Wait subcycles 1 RateShift -14 SUSSubstitute Wait subcycles 1 RateShift -13 SUSSubstitute Wait subcycles 1 RateShift -12 SUSSubstitute Wait subcycles 1 RateShift -11 SUSSubstitute Wait subcycles 1 RateShift -10 SUSSubstitute Wait subcycles 1 RateShift -9 SUSSubstitute Wait subcycles 1 RateShift -8 SUSSubstitute Wait subcycles 1 RateShift -7 SUSSubstitute Wait subcycles 1 RateShift -6 SUSSubstitute Wait subcycles 1 RateShift -5 SUSSubstitute Wait subcycles 1 RateShift -4 SUSSubstitute Wait subcycles 1 RateShift -3 SUSSubstitute Wait subcycles 1 RateShift -2 SUSSubstitute Wait subcycles 1 RateShift -1 SUSSubstitute Wait subcycles 1 RateShift -0 next set 8thsPerCycle save8thsPerCycle Realign ______________________ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 13 07:21:24 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C06713BF4A; Tue, 13 Nov 2007 07:21:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <235907.31200.qm@web38604.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <235907.31200.qm@web38604.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 01:21:12 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Mech Subject: Re: What would it take?(wasRe: RC-50 and Speed Control) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" ; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: <03jQY.A.irH.0BVOHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76345 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 07:21:24 +0000 (UTC) At 9:07 PM -0800 11/12/07, L.A. Angulo wrote: > >now if they=B4d put a looper in their vg-99... There is (sort of): Hold Delay, pg. 125 in the=20 manual. Only 2.8 sec total time and, in true=20 Roland looper style, no feedback. It will=20 overdub, though. =46rom the docs, it seems only barely functional,=20 so I haven't tried futzing with it yet. Although=20 it might be nice as a "micro-looper" -- much the=20 same way as the looping delay in the Vox Tonelab. --m. -- _____ "the wind in my heart; the dust in my head...." From web119@willy.kundenserver42.de Tue Nov 13 07:54:40 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 506 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Tue, 13 Nov 2007 07:54:40 UTC Received: from willy.kundenserver42.de (willy.kundenserver42.de [80.249.117.88]) by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 66B1B3BF44 for ; Tue, 13 Nov 2007 07:54:40 +0000 (UTC) Received: by willy.kundenserver42.de (Postfix, from userid 771) id 8F99A23D350; Tue, 13 Nov 2007 08:46:16 +0100 (CET) To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Subject: DEAR BELOVED IN CHRIST,.............I AM LINDA EDWARD From: LINDA EDWARD Reply-To: helplindaplease@yahoo.co.uk MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: <20071113074616.8F99A23D350@willy.kundenserver42.de> Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 08:46:16 +0100 (CET) DEAR BELOVED IN CHRIST, T IS BY THE GRACE OF GOD THAT I RECEIVED CHRIST,KNOWING THE TRUTH AND THE TRUTH HAS SET ME FREE.HAVING KNOWN THE TRUTH I HAD NO CHOICE THAN TO DO WHAT IS LAWFUL AND RIGHT IN THE SIGHT OF GOD FORETERNAL LIFE ANDIN THE SIGHT OF MAN FOR WITNESS OF GOD´S MERCY AND GLORY UPON MY LIFE. 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PLEASE REPLY TO THIS EMAIL ADDRESS: helplindaplease@yahoo.co.uk YOURS IN CHRIST, MRS LINDA EDWARD From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 13 08:20:06 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 009983BF52; Tue, 13 Nov 2007 08:20:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 09:20:03 +0100 (MET) Message-Id: <200711130820.lAD8K3xG021510@post.webmailer.de> X-Authentication-Warning: sek.store: httpd set sender to rs@moinlabs.de using -f To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: rs@moinlabs.de Subject: Feedback in Mobius (was: scripting/command chaining) X-Priority: 3 X-Abuse: 512675 / 192.109.190.88 X-RZG-MBID: 0AP3TDtljfgdCQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-RZG-CLASS-ID: em07 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76346 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 08:20:05 +0000 (UTC) > Also note that Alternative Feedback under Expert Mode is broken in =20 > the latest Mobius beta, so this script loses a lot of its performance =20 > power (I've been waiting hopefully for this bug to be fixed for quite =20 > some beta versions, don't remember exactly. Guess it's just not a =20 > priority). Hi Per, I do remember that script of yours you were discussing just now - as a matt= er of fact, I based my "burning chrome" script around it which could be hea= rd on that trombone test track I posted a while ago (was on temporary stora= ge, so no more link alas). But regarding the broken feedback: you mention that "alternative feedback" = is broken in expert mode. I am not familiar with alternative feedback, or a= re you referring to secondary feedback here (i.e. the one that is used e.g.= during overdubbing, while normally feedback is used)? If so, how is it bro= ken, and which versions are affected? Jeff, perhaps you could chime in here? Rainer From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 13 08:47:09 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9ECE53BF5A; Tue, 13 Nov 2007 08:47:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-priority:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; bh=x4npkuaThNpCNopAru3Dja6GryBK+ANNrY1JtQ17ZpA=; b=kD+NyYGazKpYaF5AYtOEAcLBP4+0+S9gO6wW2m+K8hN6HJ7U26mQlJ1+S0CCaVKoMvRZwRcKygR1JNeeAjtcPUT1XLqbjNaOxcrVhm22BgkfoPY/0JnTtllKbthavSzxaDpXI2rGXXwV0WKLqQOstf5JlTTf7UBq5CyDsCKAc2s= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-priority:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=jl/y8uxxLisaEeGe+rTbJFSAP8p/P55agCPRzXCBRYC4SmSdcqXVkvqc1P8Hyvzn7TChW2PTN+IW1dan0HHCJXYuLh/I9bQgU4Js+TSU0OsEld694e0X4QUrClCejtOMO/mRA38K/JlpZtvXUhdmv2o7g5K02VuVgrighdPlYpE= In-Reply-To: <200711130820.lAD8K3xG021510@post.webmailer.de> References: <200711130820.lAD8K3xG021510@post.webmailer.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <7290905F-1ED9-4AB4-B578-5216BDC91223@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Feedback in Mobius (was: scripting/command chaining) Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 09:47:03 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76347 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 08:47:09 +0000 (UTC) >> Also note that Alternative Feedback under Expert Mode is broken in >> the latest Mobius beta, so this script loses a lot of its performance >> power (I've been waiting hopefully for this bug to be fixed for quite >> some beta versions, don't remember exactly. Guess it's just not a >> priority). > On 13 nov 2007, at 09.20, rs@moinlabs.de wrote: > Hi Per, > > I do remember that script of yours you were discussing just now - > as a matter of fact, I based my "burning chrome" script around it > which could be heard on that trombone test track I posted a while > ago (was on temporary storage, so no more link alas). > > But regarding the broken feedback: you mention that "alternative > feedback" is broken in expert mode. I am not familiar with > alternative feedback, or are you referring to secondary feedback > here (i.e. the one that is used e.g. during overdubbing, while > normally feedback is used)? If so, how is it broken, and which > versions are affected? Yes, "Secondary Feedback" the later name for that functionality. That's the one I mean. It's name were changed as but default, but I don't remember with which version. Anyway, I always go into the text files and change those names to "Alt FBK" or "Sec FBK" to make them take up less screen area in the graphic interface. Secondary/Alternative Feedback only kicks in during those alternative modes (as of Expert Mode is one). It's well explained in the manual. As I wrote in the former post, I don't recall exactly with which version of the the betas it was broken. I still stick to the latest beta because of its superb timing, compared to all the older. Beta 29 was pretty good I remember, and it still had the Alt/Sec Feedback working under Expert Mode. But it that beta had other flaws, as introducing noise during Rate Shifting. Beta 29 was the one I used for the example clips posted earlier (you can hear the dreadful zipper noise, but I kept it anyway since it luckily happened on musically relevant rhythmic intervals). The way it is broken in is that the setting of Alt/Sec Feedback doesn't affect the kept level of old audio layers under additions by Substitute, SUSSubstitute, Replace... (think I got them all there) as it should do. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://www.youtube.com/pellibox (gritty) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 13 09:14:49 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 73C9F3BF54; Tue, 13 Nov 2007 09:14:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 10:14:45 +0100 Message-Id: Subject: Re:What would it take?(wasRe: RC-50 and Speed Control) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Sensitivity: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: "Sjaak" To: "Loopers-Delight" X-XaM3-API-Version: 4.1 (B54) X-type: 0 X-SenderIP: 217.68.49.65 X-DCC-scarlet.be-Metrics: elist Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76348 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 09:14:49 +0000 (UTC) > if there was only someone outhere that would take it > into his own and do upgrades for the RC-50(like Bob > sellon did witth lexicons jaman) this could be an > amazing floor looper...its too bad so many promising > devices get left out unfinished! I agree. The point is that Roland/Boss have all the technology on the she= lve. For example: perfect pitch transposing/time stretching can be found = in the Roland Varios and V-Synth (I own one). Boss DD-20: excellent delay= 's with feedback control. If they would add that to the RC-50. Price tag:= the current RC-50 costs $500, so $600-700 for an enhanced version should= be possible imo :) > from what ive read so far so far the following are > missing or are proving disatisfactory: > feedback > Pitch transposing > time stretching > replace > sync fix > multiple loops playing at once > next loop > multiple undo > multiply > cut and paste Little correction: it has a replace function. Feedback and multiply can b= e done using the aux-in, you can play multiple loops at once, synced or u= nsynced, different loop lengths. Btw: I don't consider all these options = as "necessary", I could live without multiple undo, cut and paste Sjaak =0A---=0AScarlet One, ADSL 6 Mbps + Telefonie, vanaf EUR 29,95...=0Ahttp:= //www.scarlet.be/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 13 09:45:40 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9E1E43BF50; Tue, 13 Nov 2007 09:45:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 10:45:37 +0100 Message-Id: Subject: TC Electronic D-two: how to emulate an analog delay? MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Sensitivity: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: "Sjaak" To: "Loopers-Delight" X-XaM3-API-Version: 4.1 (B54) X-type: 0 X-SenderIP: 217.68.49.65 X-DCC-scarlet.be-Metrics: elist Resent-Message-ID: <07aCMD.A.JiF.EJXOHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76349 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 09:45:40 +0000 (UTC) I'm trying to create an analog sounding delay patch. I'm missing the anal= og feel. Any ideas how to add that? The sound should degrade step by step= but not disappear if you know what I mean. Parameters I used: - high cut filter on 3-5 Khz - 100% feedback Sjaak=0A---=0AScarlet One, ADSL 6 Mbps + Telefonie, vanaf EUR 29,95...=0A= http://www.scarlet.be/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 13 10:19:30 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 59B473BF4B; Tue, 13 Nov 2007 10:19:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 11:19:24 +0100 Message-Id: Subject: Re: Boss RC50 assignable outputs MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Sensitivity: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: "Sjaak" To: "Loopers-Delight" X-XaM3-API-Version: 4.1 (B54) X-type: 0 X-SenderIP: 217.68.49.65 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76350 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 10:19:30 +0000 (UTC) Stuart, As far as I know Mic to Main and guitar to Sub is not possible. You can o= nly assign all the inputs to the same output: MAIN, SUB or MAIN+SUB. You'= ll need a mixer to do that. Reference: "RC50WS04: Audio Inputs and Output= s (PDF)" http://www.rolandus.com/uploads/CMS/Downloads/1938/RC50WS04.pdf Sjaak=0A---=0AScarlet One, ADSL 6 Mbps + Telefonie, vanaf EUR 29,95...=0A= http://www.scarlet.be/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 13 10:33:02 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6ACA33BF60; Tue, 13 Nov 2007 10:33:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "nick@12testing.net" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 10:32:32 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: one note song Reply-To: nick@12testing.net Message-ID: <47397D40.30803.112D47@nick.12testing.net> Priority: normal In-reply-to: References: X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.41) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76351 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 10:33:02 +0000 (UTC) Talking of one note songs, here's one of mine. There's a brief ambient loop taken from a gig, the rest is just one note pitch- shifted... http://www.nickrobinson.info/music/audio/one/strobe.m3u BTW, the new looping forum is building momentum... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 13 11:00:14 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DA39F3BF69; Tue, 13 Nov 2007 11:00:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; bh=TqivTzxZPhkcWJbhFhV+32B4/8MRW/4j6hWoIGCWOFU=; b=VyvmA4zf/7CuAH5Lz1OcOvQxEqGwdhWnhcaJC1FY2TjnqZaGQXavUUOI+YVOykDUTcgLdLcor04l2jjQwUpHZxNxHTAzOQLDD0VcZRSwz4ZV5RdXLwYrwXX3i5QktxDGG/NxFN7ldF2UVDiKsrihlULeAZ0Thx70SN/h9B9vKwk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=O+6RmngOKw67XhdIGCIf9amVcmnjGKaCk7tdwZD6JeF8E5UCFfgmUTRdk6t65zykf1BzWcQ8kjdagTlS+kA3juA/2DG2spLyOUfydq3OCqAg/BL27BX40/dj1qtRAkNkHtStD2rAAk1u7mvLxRHsZbWrkYu86PvUyMPdu5ee3dY= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <59B6C0FD-0231-4504-839F-E6D4BCB60D42@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: TC Electronic D-two: how to emulate an analog delay? Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 12:00:10 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76352 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 11:00:14 +0000 (UTC) On 13 nov 2007, at 10.45, Sjaak wrote: > I'm trying to create an analog sounding delay patch. I'm missing > the analog feel. Any ideas how to add that? The sound should > degrade step by step but not disappear if you know what I mean. > Parameters I used: > - high cut filter on 3-5 Khz > - 100% feedback I do this a lot, both in hardware effect processing devices and in software, but I use to add also a low cut filter, a bit of distortion and micro tonal pitch shift. The pitch shift is to simulate tape flutter (most "chorus", "flange" or "phaser" algorithms work fine as well). Instead of using low cut plus high cut filtering I may sometimes go for just one band cut filter instead. The good thing with that is that it's usually easier to sweep the frequency bands with the filter. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://www.youtube.com/pellibox (gritty) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 13 13:54:09 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9D5363BF55; Tue, 13 Nov 2007 13:54:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <068f01c825fc$a90ae930$7db0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <044201c824ab$e2203bf0$7db0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <047901c824c7$9aef3940$7db0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <04ea01c82558$0d16d8d0$7db0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <961FC3FA-CB7C-4EE5-930D-02648490F4D0@gmail.com> <062401c82585$9c584dd0$7db0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <129FEEA9-37D6-4A58-8513-49AE8EDA9F53@gmail.com> Subject: Re: Scripting/Command Chaining in the Max/MSP Kaiser Looper Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 06:54:06 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76353 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 13:54:09 +0000 (UTC) I see. This is very similar to the first max script I created. It shifted down very low (much lower than yours, however), rose up, into high pitches, and then fell down to normal. I had another idea last night that I plan to implement today, which will be jumpting from two sets of alternative continuous pitch changes. It will go from, let's say -24 to -20, and then jump erratically to 20 to 24....and then back, etc. Kris > !name ChromaRateShWaves68 > > Variable save8thsPerCycle > set save8thsPerCycle 8thsPerCycle > set 8thsPerCycle 32 > > InstantMultiply 6 > Wait last > > RateShift 0 > SUSSubstitute > Wait subcycles 1 > RateShift -1 [snip] From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 13 14:00:10 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8DD5C3BF57; Tue, 13 Nov 2007 14:00:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <06e601c825fd$7e2051a0$7db0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <47397D40.30803.112D47@nick.12testing.net> Subject: Re: one note song Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 07:00:03 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: <7ikrBB.A.z4E.p3aOHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76354 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 14:00:10 +0000 (UTC) Someone should start a new CT project, called "CT-Sine". Basically, each project member would use only a continuous sine wave, at any frequency of choice, to generate an entire song with computer effect processing, looping, etc. You can create your "One Sine Samba." :) Jobim would be proud....? I just submitted CT-Bugs on the Chain Collective list, for anyone interested...insect sounds only. :) Kris From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 13 16:33:24 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 738333BF58; Tue, 13 Nov 2007 16:33:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 399 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Tue, 13 Nov 2007 16:33:23 UTC DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.co.uk; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=4ERti6U/eMaUO4ogoBVmI+YcslqCKprqeq46dpaiKN4CUuLJk7TvWbrOyNT7wmVpY8kzlfhe39hZbSIa+QelzLtetPdgTPub5kqVThNSPaCC5TFzpwYNgbrxcMYzwsJz1kJR9Q5yDvLxcrdAyrvnnB/zuVWUYChZ+dg+U1+kdqw=; X-YMail-OSG: .6P1LisVM1nrR671bEputEXZpD9u2CRfcyuZllGduUTlGWD8bswqSlt.JPYWCfGHhg-- Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 16:26:42 +0000 (GMT) From: Stuart Masters Subject: Re: Boss RC50 assignable outputs To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1382728631-1194971202=:76618" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <668656.76618.qm@web26304.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76355 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 16:33:24 +0000 (UTC) --0-1382728631-1194971202=:76618 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Thanks for that, Sjaak. I thought that might be the case. I was toying with the idea of putting the mic through 'Left' and the guitar through 'Right', therby having separate signals, so will have to see if that works. Sjaak wrote: Stuart, As far as I know Mic to Main and guitar to Sub is not possible. You can only assign all the inputs to the same output: MAIN, SUB or MAIN+SUB. You'll need a mixer to do that. Reference: "RC50WS04: Audio Inputs and Outputs (PDF)" http://www.rolandus.com/uploads/CMS/Downloads/1938/RC50WS04.pdf Sjaak --- Scarlet One, ADSL 6 Mbps + Telefonie, vanaf EUR 29,95... http://www.scarlet.be/ stuartmasters@bigfoot.com --------------------------------- For ideas on reducing your carbon footprint visit Yahoo! For Good this month. --0-1382728631-1194971202=:76618 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
        Thanks for that, Sjaak. I thought that might be the case. I was toying with the idea of putting the mic through 'Left' and the guitar through 'Right', therby having separate signals, so will have to see if that works.
         


        Sjaak <tcplugin@scarlet.be> wrote:
        Stuart,
        As far as I know Mic to Main and guitar to Sub is not possible. You can only assign all the inputs to the same output: MAIN, SUB or MAIN+SUB. You'll need a mixer to do that. Reference: "RC50WS04: Audio Inputs and Outputs (PDF)"

        http://www.rolandus.com/uploads/CMS/Downloads/1938/RC50WS04.pdf

        Sjaak
        ---
        Scarlet One, ADSL 6 Mbps + Telefonie, vanaf EUR 29,95...
        http://www.scarlet.be/




        stuartmasters@bigfoot.com

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For Good this month. --0-1382728631-1194971202=:76618-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 13 16:34:30 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BE1673BF4E; Tue, 13 Nov 2007 16:34:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Ninja-PIM: Scanned by Ninja X-Ninja-AttachmentFiltering: (no action) From: Jeff Larson To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 10:34:35 -0600 Subject: RE: Feedback in Mobius (was: scripting/command chaining) Thread-Topic: Feedback in Mobius (was: scripting/command chaining) Thread-Index: Acgl0cxjaU0GwNTCRhWcFOrBFhD/ygAPv+Nw Message-ID: <7872203368197C4691224688958BE71410AE006C1B@barq.sailpoint.com> References: <200711130820.lAD8K3xG021510@post.webmailer.de> <7290905F-1ED9-4AB4-B578-5216BDC91223@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <7290905F-1ED9-4AB4-B578-5216BDC91223@gmail.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US acceptlanguage: en-US Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Resent-Message-ID: <4iKdK.A.uXC.WIdOHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76356 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 16:34:30 +0000 (UTC) > The way it is broken in is that the setting of Alt/Sec Feedback > doesn't affect the kept level of old audio layers under additions by > Substitute, SUSSubstitute, Replace... (think I got them all there) as > it should do. Secondary Feedback is another EDP feature I tried to copy, the main difference is that it is always accessible, you obviously don't have to plug a pedal into a special jack on the back. You can also configure which modes you want it applied to. It is supposed to be used instead of primary feedback during any recording mode (Overdub, Multiply, Substitute, Stutter) where you are combining live audio with the current loop contents *and* you have the Interface Mode parameter set to Expert or Stutter. It is not used in Insert mode because there is no old audio to merge. It is also not used in Replace mode. I'm not sure how the EDP handles feedback in Replace mode, but it made sense to me to not support feedback during Replace because otherwise it would behave exactly the same as Substitute. Apparently this broke somewhere in the 1.30 releases, it is a priority but I just haven't been able to do much with Mobius for nearly a year now due to several work and family obligations. The last time I checked it was working for me in Substitute so I'm not sure what the problem is. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 13 16:35:59 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 540013BF5B; Tue, 13 Nov 2007 16:35:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <11984868.803411194971757773.JavaMail.servlet@kundenserver> From: tilmann@dehnhard.com To: Subject: mobius track volume control generates artifacts MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-Binford: 6100 (more power) X-Mailer: Webmail X-Originating-From: 6257158 X-Routing: DE X-Message-Id: <6257158$1194971757629172.23.4.2720109022@pustefix160.kundenserver.de--661935740> X-Received: from pustefix160.kundenserver.de by 200.118.62.32 with HTTP id 6257158 for [Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com]; Tue, 13 Nov 2007 17:35:57 CET Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 17:35:57 +0100 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1+Ey8uhJvkP3rNEWKkZ4YH2YBryjUqCtwVhGw0 HDkxKMC3oi0Dl5XjTXCEOhQTbt144eKN5IRnXizYczcFTZPXcv 9KhMZBkedhu+4zDaxsWwQ== Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76357 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 16:35:59 +0000 (UTC) hello, i have assigned a volume controller to mobius` tracks. when using the footpedal i get artifacts sounding pretty digital. what can i do to prevent this? (usb joystickcontrol data via volume pedal into bidule, no further efx in bidule) tilmann From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 13 16:58:55 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 545D93BF66; Tue, 13 Nov 2007 16:58:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Ninja-PIM: Scanned by Ninja X-Ninja-AttachmentFiltering: (no action) From: Jeff Larson To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 10:58:58 -0600 Subject: RE: Scripting/Command Chaining in the Max/MSP Kaiser Looper Thread-Topic: Scripting/Command Chaining in the Max/MSP Kaiser Looper Thread-Index: Acgl/KtoEvmIbvvDTUKrLAPE6YlOmgAFoucw Message-ID: <7872203368197C4691224688958BE71410AE006C25@barq.sailpoint.com> References: <044201c824ab$e2203bf0$7db0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <047901c824c7$9aef3940$7db0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <04ea01c82558$0d16d8d0$7db0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <961FC3FA-CB7C-4EE5-930D-02648490F4D0@gmail.com> <062401c82585$9c584dd0$7db0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <129FEEA9-37D6-4A58-8513-49AE8EDA9F53@gmail.com> <068f01c825fc$a90ae930$7db0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> In-Reply-To: <068f01c825fc$a90ae930$7db0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US acceptlanguage: en-US Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76358 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 16:58:55 +0000 (UTC) > i see. This is very similar to the first max script I created. It shif= ted > down very low (much lower than yours, however), rose up, into high pit= ches, > and then fell down to normal. I had another idea last night that I= plan to > implement today, which will be jumpting from two sets of alternative > continuous pitch changes. It will go from, let's say -24 to -20, and= then > jump erratically to 20 to 24....and then back, etc. One subtlety with Per's script that you may be missing is that it doesn't just pitch shift, it is doing rate shifting and overdubbing (or rather substituting) at the same time. This is complicated because you have to apply rate shifting twice in opposite directions. Say for example you rate shift the loop down a 5 semitones so a C in the backing loop sounds like a G. Then you overdub a B. When you are combining live audio with the backing loop you need to rate shift the live audio *up* 5 semitones so that when you return to normal speed you will hear the overdub in the same harmonic relationship, in this case the B becomes an E. This is one of several things that are difficult to do with loopers that aren't designed with the "tapedeck with feedback head" metaphor. I don't know how Kaiser looper works, but many software loopers do "overdubs" just by creating an autonomous parallel loop (what Mobius would call a track). This has some nice properties but it can be hard to control all of the tracks at the same time to achieve something similar to what EDP/Mobius call "layers". Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 13 16:59:30 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DAD253BF6C; Tue, 13 Nov 2007 16:59:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 17:59:18 +0100 Message-Id: Subject: Re: TC Electronic D-two: how to emulate an analog delay? MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Sensitivity: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: "Sjaak" To: "Loopers-Delight" X-XaM3-API-Version: 4.1 (B54) X-type: 0 X-SenderIP: 217.68.49.65 X-DCC-scarlet.be-Metrics: elist Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76359 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 16:59:30 +0000 (UTC) > Per Boysen wrote: > I do this a lot, both in hardware effect processing devices and in > software, but I use to add also a low cut filter, a bit of distortion > and micro tonal pitch shift. The pitch shift is to simulate tape > flutter (most "chorus", "flange" or "phaser" algorithms work fine as > well). Instead of using low cut plus high cut filtering I may > sometimes go for just one band cut filter instead. The good thing > with that is that it's usually easier to sweep the frequency bands > with the filter. Thanks Per. The D-Two has a Chorus algorithms to create chorus and flange= rs, no problem. But there's more: some delay's have a sort of resonating mid-frequency. F= or example, the DD-20's analog delay can emulate this very well. I was wo= ndering how to "emulate" this sound without a resonance parameter in the = D-Two ;) But perhaps the Fireworx can do that... Sjaak=0A---=0AScarlet One, ADSL 6 Mbps + Telefonie, vanaf EUR 29,95...=0A= http://www.scarlet.be/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 13 17:02:08 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5A7113BF7C; Tue, 13 Nov 2007 17:02:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-priority:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; bh=LtCoXncBm4uf5dfc5Eqvmxj3ff7LlflIueJwzi4QFCk=; b=Kp8e5G6FhvACz8IyAOoeYGpsf6H5VICXvtPIAjMQdS5HHH8pW5c/JnonLfgybx/a5HM9hVZhgoMq48kmMEM6T0BKtc3IZmrgoVepdo1WDqBbVA3HgngkmaIa2WiGGxnzMFo4eOaWF734qkyYlbuTrn5eUrwCW9VPqvdiSQBOgRs= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-priority:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=fcBIxWCxzbj5zBHhdqW3gptVvmVD6VbSj+gy0qaR7KmGaqJiKPgLEZOkcYB9x/ODXgZl5lVT/khsGRB85K46YfJgqBCIKdWF7Kk8opu3Rw86VpkQUERYq4TxZ06agiudLMUlrXz/yAaJ6aUwJttrjzq9GIbSNye1h209JfwQL94= In-Reply-To: <11984868.803411194971757773.JavaMail.servlet@kundenserver> References: <11984868.803411194971757773.JavaMail.servlet@kundenserver> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <8F3606DC-CBC2-4626-83B7-8A7DE238E2D1@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: mobius track volume control generates artifacts Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 18:02:00 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76360 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 17:02:08 +0000 (UTC) On 13 nov 2007, at 17.35, tilmann@dehnhard.com wrote: > hello, i have assigned a volume controller to mobius` tracks. > when using the footpedal i get artifacts sounding pretty digital. > what can i do to prevent this? Different viable answers: - Adjust the Operating System's settings. - Use a another computer. - Use another version of Mobius. - Use another version of the Operating System. - If using Mobius VST: Exclude eventual badly coded VST plug-ins from the session setup. There you have a lot of nice homework. Happy Christmas! ;-) Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://www.youtube.com/pellibox (gritty) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 13 17:05:52 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 120BB3BF7A; Tue, 13 Nov 2007 17:05:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: AW: TC Electronic D-two: how to emulate an analog delay? Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 18:06:22 +0100 Organization: Moinlabs Message-ID: <001a01c82617$847e6b80$1001a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Thread-Index: AcgmFo76Zl590bLlToS9RqMxDw46AgAAK+bA X-RZG-AUTH: lUESeo99iNzPL8kuBgLYdKEqUywq9cxqeRA+BtFcSCD10+29g0ZKcYMt5SU= X-RZG-CLASS-ID: mo07 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76361 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 17:05:51 +0000 (UTC) The FireworX can do that extremely well. I did one setup where I put the D-Two via SPDIF in the Fireworx's insert (having feedback set to 0) and create a feedback chain in the FireworX using resonant filter, modulated delay (as Per explained) and distortion. Rainer > emulate this very well. I was wondering how to "emulate" this > sound without a resonance parameter in the D-Two ;) But > perhaps the Fireworx can do that... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 13 17:10:52 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F39343BF88; Tue, 13 Nov 2007 17:10:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; bh=xkZ5nG3r31lhKgnuXF0zrC6YPgCut/X7LU+D4yFkX1g=; b=il1mPCOQvkz9AIq1dTOcB18Ux36BTQUDntnJMRHyxkIdZhexvgYBdOs07+kgyv41p+mtL8ZWegPLdyYgjzyBWcnjB+/Z2HYYUse7LOnwUEBm/fUUv7qvD/fXKTgWUDYxMGQsPjxJNzG1UwkkT5DvxWJ7mOkUO1klag4gkFKxhXQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=Txcp6+EWlwUmvWUWX4QFvaLI8hSjY0sGXnwccCUhcDCIpsVew0R1aujAErPiUXZ1Z/QB1mn5rfu9ozT31f2STAdKuO9AhxeOLT/jDd8jXlz8PJQnbZahcaiacSoYDtOELKKuwlqW17SIdBTwzWohGttnXJA85dTkkWfn7IGM6VA= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <7872203368197C4691224688958BE71410AE006C25@barq.sailpoint.com> References: <044201c824ab$e2203bf0$7db0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <047901c824c7$9aef3940$7db0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <04ea01c82558$0d16d8d0$7db0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <961FC3FA-CB7C-4EE5-930D-02648490F4D0@gmail.com> <062401c82585$9c584dd0$7db0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <129FEEA9-37D6-4A58-8513-49AE8EDA9F53@gmail.com> <068f01c825fc$a90ae930$7db0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <7872203368197C4691224688958BE71410AE006C25@barq.sailpoint.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <459DD6CA-0681-4B79-8048-A801F19C7E16@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Scripting/Command Chaining in the Max/MSP Kaiser Looper Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 18:10:44 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76362 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 17:10:51 +0000 (UTC) >> i see. This is very similar to the first max script I created. It >> shifted >> down very low (much lower than yours, however), rose up, into high >> pitches, >> and then fell down to normal. I had another idea last night that >> I plan to >> implement today, which will be jumpting from two sets of alternative >> continuous pitch changes. It will go from, let's say -24 to -20, >> and then >> jump erratically to 20 to 24....and then back, etc. > On 13 nov 2007, at 17.58, Jeff Larson wrote: > One subtlety with Per's script that you may be missing is that it > doesn't just pitch shift, it is doing rate shifting and overdubbing > (or rather substituting) at the same time. Yep, I meant this to be understood in my last post as I did write that the background runs both up and down in pitch but also faster and slower. And then on the second round this will be true for the last added loop layer. There is also another interesting aspect of this: You might as well program the script so its UP vs Down rate shifting equals out to keep the loop still in sync with other track's loops after the script has finished. > This is complicated > because you have to apply rate shifting twice in opposite directions. > Say for example you rate shift the loop down a 5 semitones so a C in > the backing loop sounds like a G. Then you overdub a B. When you are > combining live audio with the backing loop you need to rate shift the > live audio *up* 5 semitones so that when you return to normal speed > you will hear the overdub in the same harmonic relationship, in this > case the B becomes an E. No need to torture brain cells with hard-ass theory like that! ;-)) All you have to do is play along with live audio that sounds musically good together with the new pitch of the background. > This is one of several things that are difficult to do with loopers > that aren't designed with the "tapedeck with feedback head" metaphor. So true! This is why I love Mobius Rate Shift and Augustus Loop on Mac! > I don't know how Kaiser looper works, but many software loopers do > "overdubs" just by creating an autonomous parallel loop (what > Mobius would call a track). This has some nice properties but > it can be hard to control all of the tracks at the same time > to achieve something similar to what EDP/Mobius call "layers". I've seen that in looping software and never liked it. Brrrr.... ;-/ Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://www.youtube.com/pellibox (gritty) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 13 17:14:36 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 00CC23BF92; Tue, 13 Nov 2007 17:14:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; bh=nA09JNyQPt/e03Lmu0HytsJgozg9RfzDnlDgXld69aA=; b=Z9z+gwG09at/GH1ttrTg55vd6JopauL2W+y/1x/JWISbRX0XVaYpDCcdQG+WvZ7vfTVkqWUjr89TH9AUJycUlDDXSKNilRj0ex9dnbeGq7tiISZNfuN6CVr0bZ+uIVGG+NtEL3y3aORI+7lc23VgAYJnpGLk9mlLJSu2/OVp9Tw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=U45/At7S6Mu+L9SOEsstEvOaHEpG+5K73OmqccQ0JpnySMmx5plfKPdIy887JEQyTbtritK7Qh3CY5AsrEeunsdKonA+byQKo2TcWknVAuO5XV03jURIhhlmb9Zi9a6ITWQa1vw23Elxi7Wnc8x57TIXRdjwtUuUt6E4necEubE= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: TC Electronic D-two: how to emulate an analog delay? Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 18:14:29 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76363 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 17:14:35 +0000 (UTC) On 13 nov 2007, at 17.59, Sjaak wrote: > Thanks Per. The D-Two has a Chorus algorithms to create chorus and > flangers, no problem. > > But there's more: some delay's have a sort of resonating mid- > frequency. For example, the DD-20's analog delay can emulate this > very well. I was wondering how to "emulate" this sound without a > resonance parameter in the D-Two ;) But perhaps the Fireworx can do > that... That resonating mid-frequency is what you get if putting a band pass filter into the feedback loop. I was mistakenly calling it "band cut" in my previous post, sorry for that. I guess everyone noticed the mistake anyway, because it made my post lose sense ;-)) Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://www.youtube.com/pellibox (gritty) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 13 17:18:23 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 201563BF91; Tue, 13 Nov 2007 17:18:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; bh=hH3yvK+k0OV5OAsgLWMUsL1ucN9Cj97m9dzHfc8L6Bc=; b=K7KFMeuNEaZgIKUKvt17xEKoj1LbStA22aUYI9K2WRDRuApoDUjt25UN+nMCKwvH5X8ARX1lwmB/wSpuKk6nQszQzwyn8V+UVu/1qsc33LL7OS2Uqdcfcz8yvx5IsklcGxDZViqdZEOvM/2k2XQFkj0GXza1dbEEZ+hvjHoZAAA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=L543+AfQPc5KvAC+fL6bprhm6bloaZWxS9lygsm8n0FKPJuvYi6j/AXaPT39nNkCzSGEmSnKvpdFIT4uw4gz64B9fR/PfZsOlgKq9x0FU1dGUfPV2GcngXcT7bfQdwiQN23NwqXNMdRFrWnQcYlLs5XbHq60hQ2NxNlhZcJFV5w= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <7872203368197C4691224688958BE71410AE006C1B@barq.sailpoint.com> References: <200711130820.lAD8K3xG021510@post.webmailer.de> <7290905F-1ED9-4AB4-B578-5216BDC91223@gmail.com> <7872203368197C4691224688958BE71410AE006C1B@barq.sailpoint.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Feedback in Mobius (was: scripting/command chaining) Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 18:18:16 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76364 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 17:18:23 +0000 (UTC) >> The way it is broken in is that the setting of Alt/Sec Feedback >> doesn't affect the kept level of old audio layers under additions by >> Substitute, SUSSubstitute, Replace... (think I got them all there) as >> it should do. > On 13 nov 2007, at 17.34, Jeff Larson wrote: > Secondary Feedback is another EDP feature I tried to copy, the main > difference is that it is always accessible, you obviously don't > have to > plug a pedal into a special jack on the back. You can also configure > which modes you want it applied to. > > It is supposed to be used instead of primary feedback during any > recording mode (Overdub, Multiply, Substitute, Stutter) where you are > combining live audio with the current loop contents *and* you have the > Interface Mode parameter set to Expert or Stutter. > > It is not used in Insert mode because there is no old audio to merge. > It is also not used in Replace mode. I'm not sure how the EDP handles > feedback in Replace mode, but it made sense to me to not support > feedback during Replace because otherwise it would behave exactly the > same as Substitute. > > Apparently this broke somewhere in the 1.30 releases, it is a priority > but I just haven't been able to do much with Mobius for nearly a year > now due to several work and family obligations. The last time I > checked > it was working for me in Substitute so I'm not sure what the > problem is. > > Jeff ---> First: Wo-hooo! It's a priority! ---> Second: It works for me too - sometimes. But mostly not. Can that provide some sort of clue? Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://www.youtube.com/pellibox (gritty) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 13 18:47:52 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9B2053BF79; Tue, 13 Nov 2007 18:47:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <004c01c82625$a79f9cc0$0201a8c0@eluk1> From: "Stephen Goodman" To: References: <11984868.803411194971757773.JavaMail.servlet@kundenserver> <8F3606DC-CBC2-4626-83B7-8A7DE238E2D1@gmail.com> Subject: Re: mobius track volume control generates artifacts Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 18:47:32 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76365 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 18:47:52 +0000 (UTC) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Per Boysen" To: Sent: Tuesday, 13 November, 2007 17:02 PM Subject: Re: mobius track volume control generates artifacts > On 13 nov 2007, at 17.35, tilmann@dehnhard.com wrote: > >> hello, i have assigned a volume controller to mobius` tracks. >> when using the footpedal i get artifacts sounding pretty digital. >> what can i do to prevent this? > > Different viable answers: > > - Adjust the Operating System's settings. > - Use a another computer. > - Use another version of Mobius. > - Use another version of the Operating System. > - If using Mobius VST: Exclude eventual badly coded VST plug-ins from the > session setup. > > There you have a lot of nice homework. Happy Christmas! ;-) Is there a VST checker out there that one might have had experience with? When several packages get installed there can be a quite large list. 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        From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 13 19:39:53 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D172B3BF80; Tue, 13 Nov 2007 19:39:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Ninja-PIM: Scanned by Ninja X-Ninja-AttachmentFiltering: (no action) From: Jeff Larson To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 13:39:56 -0600 Subject: RE: mobius track volume control generates artifacts Thread-Topic: mobius track volume control generates artifacts Thread-Index: AcgmE0aDRDni2/TRS4uYNxjd/b9k0wAGKrXw Message-ID: <7872203368197C4691224688958BE71410AE006C64@barq.sailpoint.com> References: <11984868.803411194971757773.JavaMail.servlet@kundenserver> In-Reply-To: <11984868.803411194971757773.JavaMail.servlet@kundenserver> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US acceptlanguage: en-US Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76366 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 19:39:53 +0000 (UTC) > hello, i have assigned a volume controller to mobius` tracks. > when using the footpedal i get artifacts sounding pretty digital. > what can i do to prevent this? Does what you hear sound like "zipper noise", a relatively soft bubbling noise as you sweep the controller, or it more of a harsh clicking sound like audio dropouts? Mobius had zipper noise in some very old releases, but I think that was fixed around 1.19. People use MIDI expression pedals for volume all the time now without artifacts. > (usb joystickcontrol data via volume pedal into bidule, > no further efx in bidule) Does this pedal generate MIDI or are you doing some sort of signal-to-MIDI conversion inside Bidule? This could be part of the problem. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 13 19:41:30 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 59F983BF85; Tue, 13 Nov 2007 19:41:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Ninja-PIM: Scanned by Ninja X-Ninja-AttachmentFiltering: (no action) From: Jeff Larson To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 13:41:34 -0600 Subject: RE: mobius track volume control generates artifacts Thread-Topic: mobius track volume control generates artifacts Thread-Index: AcgmE0aDRDni2/TRS4uYNxjd/b9k0wAGb1qQ Message-ID: <7872203368197C4691224688958BE71410AE006C66@barq.sailpoint.com> References: <11984868.803411194971757773.JavaMail.servlet@kundenserver> In-Reply-To: <11984868.803411194971757773.JavaMail.servlet@kundenserver> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US acceptlanguage: en-US Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Resent-Message-ID: <7d8Xr.A.pEC.q3fOHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76367 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 19:41:30 +0000 (UTC) > hello, i have assigned a volume controller to mobius` tracks. > when using the footpedal i get artifacts sounding pretty digital. > what can i do to prevent this? Does what you hear sound like "zipper noise", a relatively soft bubbling noise as you sweep the controller, or it more of a harsh clicking sound like audio dropouts? Mobius had zipper noise in some very old releases, but I think that was fixed around 1.19. People use MIDI expression pedals for volume all the time now without artifacts. > (usb joystickcontrol data via volume pedal into bidule, > no further efx in bidule) Does this pedal generate MIDI or are you doing some sort of signal-to-MIDI conversion inside Bidule? This could be part of the problem. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 13 19:52:27 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AED863BF8D; Tue, 13 Nov 2007 19:52:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 402 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Tue, 13 Nov 2007 19:52:26 UTC DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; bh=aoFdsvDoS7F2vGv4dY6rs2K0ldaHN/fquEs0J68skwo=; b=E5HMUY3WeLnAVFapqwuyC1XjXBY1e3Hm4HLtDBr3bSLBwlZyWMp9I5cSle7qAluTvolrPoJ1mmRDXJM3ye22/WyLJnCNGm3GMKVFSx81dprRD6B9XzB7APmnzMV+zUmUUQu35ToUyUsfIh6eYR+M5v+R9NwEbVHyUJKsVHAvCN4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:mime-version:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=R2b+EIThvENcTfajcynzcGlebY2W0eOUGgYNa1Pse15e/ZbQfTD14IEZ8a7m9ZiYbveGaJHe1QGfRTlTbKUm6qODqpd7Wy23fKuJUBuUR7cWFq4u2Qkeqqbbhf2+TMNTGmhZtSzPYsr7C2OGDfab3xYYfR2jZGcA59hRxvJYmNA= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) References: <5AD7D086-AD0B-4FBE-BD3B-BFD4390E3458@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Ryan Adlaf Subject: EHX 2880 MIDI functionality Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 11:45:35 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76368 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 19:52:27 +0000 (UTC) Anyone have any experience with the new 2880 Midi functionality introduced in the the 1.5 firmware update? The " ...at least 300mS between each button push message" comment in the docs is a little confusing - can that be true?! ~ ryan From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 13 20:03:52 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A4DB93BF93; Tue, 13 Nov 2007 20:03:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <077401c82630$4effc5d0$7db0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <044201c824ab$e2203bf0$7db0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <047901c824c7$9aef3940$7db0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <04ea01c82558$0d16d8d0$7db0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <961FC3FA-CB7C-4EE5-930D-02648490F4D0@gmail.com> <062401c82585$9c584dd0$7db0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <129FEEA9-37D6-4A58-8513-49AE8EDA9F53@gmail.com> <068f01c825fc$a90ae930$7db0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <7872203368197C4691224688958BE71410AE006C25@barq.sailpoint.com> <459DD6CA-0681-4B79-8048-A801F19C7E16@gmail.com> Subject: Re: Scripting/Command Chaining in the Max/MSP Kaiser Looper Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 13:03:49 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76369 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 20:03:52 +0000 (UTC) > On 13 nov 2007, at 17.58, Jeff Larson wrote: >> One subtlety with Per's script that you may be missing is that it >> doesn't just pitch shift, it is doing rate shifting and overdubbing >> (or rather substituting) at the same time. I was afraid of that. I don't have rate shift in my Kaiser Looper yet. It can be done, but just hasn't been a priority for me to add it. >> I don't know how Kaiser looper works, but many software loopers do >> "overdubs" just by creating an autonomous parallel loop (what >> Mobius would call a track). This has some nice properties but >> it can be hard to control all of the tracks at the same time >> to achieve something similar to what EDP/Mobius call "layers". When you say parallel loop, do you mean a new buffer? When Mobius overdubs, isn't it just creating a new buffer along side the first one? I take it it is not replacing the original buffer and creating a new one with both old and new material, otherwise you would not be able to undo. You are just creating a new buffer that is synced to the first one, all in the track, right? It was my understanding that all looper operated under this restriction of buffers. You creat one, and then you either replace it or add another one next to it. Or are you saying you can actually modify the content of the exact same buffer you started with in the first recording? I know we are getting technical here. Kris From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 13 20:38:45 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1AFC13BF6B; Tue, 13 Nov 2007 20:38:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Ninja-PIM: Scanned by Ninja X-Ninja-AttachmentFiltering: (no action) From: Jeff Larson To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 14:38:45 -0600 Subject: RE: Scripting/Command Chaining in the Max/MSP Kaiser Looper Thread-Topic: Scripting/Command Chaining in the Max/MSP Kaiser Looper Thread-Index: AcgmMFHpazzhnNtITmaG8j3N8QW6swAACaNw Message-ID: <7872203368197C4691224688958BE71410AE006C86@barq.sailpoint.com> References: <044201c824ab$e2203bf0$7db0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <047901c824c7$9aef3940$7db0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <04ea01c82558$0d16d8d0$7db0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <961FC3FA-CB7C-4EE5-930D-02648490F4D0@gmail.com> <062401c82585$9c584dd0$7db0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <129FEEA9-37D6-4A58-8513-49AE8EDA9F53@gmail.com> <068f01c825fc$a90ae930$7db0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <7872203368197C4691224688958BE71410AE006C25@barq.sailpoint.com> <459DD6CA-0681-4B79-8048-A801F19C7E16@gmail.com> <077401c82630$4effc5d0$7db0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> In-Reply-To: <077401c82630$4effc5d0$7db0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US acceptlanguage: en-US Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76370 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 20:38:45 +0000 (UTC) > When you say parallel loop, do you mean a new buffer? When > Mobius overdubs, isn't it just creating a new buffer along side the > first one? Sort of. A layer is basically a buffer, it is the management of this collection of buffers to make it look to the UI as just one loop with a scrollable history that is hard. > I take it it is not replacing the original buffer and creating > a new one with both old and new material, otherwise you would not > be able to undo. In Mobius, the previous layer is continually being copied into the next layer, with feedback applied, and merged with live audio. So yes, it is "creating a new one with both old and new material" but it is also not replacing the previous buffer. This is what gives you a layer history. Unlike phrase samplers that take the "autonomous parallel loops" approach, there is no limit to the size of the layer history other than memory. The other problem with parallel loops is that once you have more than 20 or 30 of them the cost of merging them at runtime starts to become significant and the CPU spikes. Layer management in Mobius is actually far more complicated than this but I won't bore everyone with the details (unless asked :-). It is relatively simple of you're just doing endless overdubs with feedback, but when you start throwing in inserts, unrounded multiplies, and other structural modifications in the middle of the loop it gets, um, hard to maintain a layer history and do all the flattening that needs to be done in real time. Another thing phrase samplers typically have a hard time with is letting an overdub carry over seamlessly from layer to layer without introducing a "fade bump" at the edges of each layer. If you don't fade the edges of the layer, then say reduce the volume one of layers, there will be a hard vertical wave form jump when the layers are merged that will sound like clicks. But if you do fade the edges you don't get a nice seamless overdub. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 13 20:42:48 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C4D453BF86; Tue, 13 Nov 2007 20:42:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 21:42:25 +0100 Message-Id: Subject: Re:TC Electronic D-two: how to emulate an analog delay? MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Sensitivity: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: "Sjaak" To: "Loopers-Delight" X-XaM3-API-Version: 4.1 (B54) X-type: 0 X-SenderIP: 81.83.41.16 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76371 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 20:42:48 +0000 (UTC) Rainer, I remember you have a DD-20 as well isn't it? Than you probably know what= I mean with the DD-20 "analog" delay. BTw: I do have a DD-20 but I'm mov= ing all the FX processing to to a 19" rack so I can control everything fr= om my FC-300. I was hoping the D-Two could do the DD-20 type of delay but= unfortunately not. Fireworx can do it but according to the manual the ma= x delay time is only 675ms which is way too short compared to the D-Two. = I know the Fireworx is probably one of the best 19" FX modules out there = but 675ms is a little disappointing, especially for a device with this pr= ice tag. Sjaak > Rainer wrote: > The FireworX can do that extremely well. I did one setup where I put th= e > D-Two via SPDIF in the Fireworx's insert (having feedback set to 0) and= > create a feedback chain in the FireworX using resonant filter, modulate= d > delay (as Per explained) and distortion. =0A---=0AScarlet One, ADSL 6 Mbps + Telefonie, vanaf EUR 29,95...=0Ahttp:= //www.scarlet.be/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 13 20:51:01 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id ECB003BF97; Tue, 13 Nov 2007 20:51:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 21:50:55 +0100 Message-Id: Subject: Re: TC Electronic D-two: how to emulate an analog delay? MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Sensitivity: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: "Sjaak" To: "Loopers-Delight" X-XaM3-API-Version: 4.1 (B54) X-type: 0 X-SenderIP: 81.83.41.16 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76372 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 20:51:00 +0000 (UTC) > Per wrote: > That resonating mid-frequency is what you get if putting a band pass > filter into the feedback loop. I was mistakenly calling it "band cut" > in my previous post, sorry for that. I guess everyone noticed the > mistake anyway, because it made my post lose sense ;-)) I program synths sounds, so BPF, LPF, HPF, notch etc are familiar terms. = I understood your message, no problem :) Imo, resonating filters in a fee= dback loop is one of my favourite type of effects. You don't hear a lot i= n a live setup these days. Sjaak=0A---=0AScarlet One, ADSL 6 Mbps + Telefonie, vanaf EUR 29,95...=0A= http://www.scarlet.be/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 13 21:53:30 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1D0403BF7F; Tue, 13 Nov 2007 21:53:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <07b601c8263f$9f99efc0$7db0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <044201c824ab$e2203bf0$7db0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <047901c824c7$9aef3940$7db0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <04ea01c82558$0d16d8d0$7db0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <961FC3FA-CB7C-4EE5-930D-02648490F4D0@gmail.com> <062401c82585$9c584dd0$7db0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <129FEEA9-37D6-4A58-8513-49AE8EDA9F53@gmail.com> <068f01c825fc$a90ae930$7db0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <7872203368197C4691224688958BE71410AE006C25@barq.sailpoint.com> <459DD6CA-0681-4B79-8048-A801F19C7E16@gmail.com> <077401c82630$4effc5d0$7db0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <7872203368197C4691224688958BE71410AE006C86@barq.sailpoint.com> Subject: Re: Scripting/Command Chaining in the Max/MSP Kaiser Looper Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 14:53:26 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76373 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 21:53:29 +0000 (UTC) > When you say parallel loop, do you mean a new buffer? When > Mobius overdubs, isn't it just creating a new buffer along side the > first one? Sort of. A layer is basically a buffer, it is the management of this collection of buffers to make it look to the UI as just one loop with a scrollable history that is hard. > I take it it is not replacing the original buffer and creating > a new one with both old and new material, otherwise you would not > be able to undo. In Mobius, the previous layer is continually being copied into the next layer, with feedback applied, and merged with live audio. So yes, it is "creating a new one with both old and new material" but it is also not replacing the previous buffer. This is what gives you a layer history. KH: Ah yes. That is what I thought. I guess in my max looper, everything is transparent, so I don't have layers, etc. All these are "constructs" that I would have to build with manipulations of individual buffers....which is exactly what you have done to create an easy to use UI, rather than a programming nightmare for the user....well, one man's nightmare can be another's dream, I guess. Unlike phrase samplers that take the "autonomous parallel loops" approach, there is no limit to the size of the layer history other than memory. The other problem with parallel loops is that once you have more than 20 or 30 of them the cost of merging them at runtime starts to become significant and the CPU spikes. KH: Aren't we just talking about different ways to manage buffers? Wouldn't a software phrase sampler that creates autonomous parallel loops just be a limitation of the programmer and how he/she manages the buffers, rather than an inherent difference in the underlying architecture? If it all boils downs to buffers in software loopers, then it seems what makes one different than the other is how the buffers are managed, duplicated, created, etc. Kris From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 13 21:57:32 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 04FB03BF82; Tue, 13 Nov 2007 21:57:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 3539 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Tue, 13 Nov 2007 21:57:31 UTC DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:x-google-sender-auth; bh=//49dWcClM/BVIRrnHdVgV8Flb9rmWdl7Fx8xkimrfA=; b=eVYunuI4Mu3xO26jLzkdPVnOuQDvfkH/fVTx79FJFtRpVgepAJS8lg7PoROpqT7pXqcs2UwAgiTYBbuycOlkOcxoAW7/uhd8CU3tHxDdQeMCL1m/Ixhl5qj8STyNCdpYigdLvWmTsZq5x/HdWWuw72q37Aa6vS7xcK97A5t1n0I= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:x-google-sender-auth; b=Wm3D4qTF7feE3ryoSrrw6rzN7pPAcqUmIm42xjtdg6anW+ByzAHBjEtBJQXTJ+TFRvp7pXILirp10Tl77nt0HnIYWxRP+06QR+s26VuefSqn6lADQYFzHJhcnUEl9b7vc//LwBego/NwLpiWKwrLRDAs+cwOOIF+DfIRvM+NHBA= Message-ID: Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 10:51:51 -1000 From: "michael wall" Sender: drumaloha@gmail.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, "michael wall" Subject: virgin looper MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Google-Sender-Auth: bc1e072a9fddbbe0 Resent-Message-ID: <2aRVZD.A.R2H.L3hOHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76374 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 21:57:31 +0000 (UTC) howdy i am a percussionist/song writer what i want to accomplish is the be able to loop "descant" or contrasting backing vocal parts to set up multi-layered chants. I want to be able to do this live, while playing congas or frame drums. I suspect that I'll need a microphone with a tight focus to avoid bleeding the percussion in too much... what I would appreciate is recommendations about which real-time looping devices would be useful. simple is probably best. i'm adept with my feet, so pedals are in the picture too. please feel free to reply direct to drum@hawaii.rr.com to save bandwidth on this eGroup - which clearly is far beyond the beginner stage! thanks -- Michael Wall Beauty and strength, leaping laughter, delicious langour, force and fire are of us! 3934-A Harding Ave, Honolulu, HI 96816 (808) 737-3786 H 377-3786 C From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 13 22:09:38 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E75673BF96; Tue, 13 Nov 2007 22:09:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=K9okR1qYkefR/wcEn+mSt9vjQnL+X3CoSgnPNMrXApcdd2mqNa3f5ZgFOJzpUqiOxUYVnomIA+a9uVTxmSdGqG79uTuHU95Hem2pz7WXurM/meOfBKFTPHlLJ5SBlrcyxiSKl8JAZw9o2RTEcw9KdW38G8tyr6r3FiwVLtPQIXI=; X-YMail-OSG: BIY302wVM1nC0wAaXBsBVBdL2O0CAzdEwmRGJuj4J7zIjNwWd7YY_8u1vvQDYtBbFw-- Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 14:09:35 -0800 (PST) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: Re:TC Electronic D-two: how to emulate an analog delay? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <233690.65301.qm@web38607.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76375 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 22:09:38 +0000 (UTC) hey Sjaak, I am doing the same thing, putting everything in a rack to have more floor space and less setup time,the delays from the DL4 and DD-20 is something i am trying to replace as well,this is why i was inquring about the line6 PodXT pro,seems to have a wide variety of old delay and echo emulations like the DL4 and what i am also looking at is knobs to turn for manual manipulation which it also has.The GT pro doesnt seem to have as many delays but has a little 2.8 sec. hold sound on sound looper built it.But then again i would like to compare the sound quality of both. Luis --- Sjaak wrote: > Rainer, > I remember you have a DD-20 as well isn't it? Than > you probably know what I mean with the DD-20 > "analog" delay. BTw: I do have a DD-20 but I'm > moving all the FX processing to to a 19" rack so I > can control everything from my FC-300. I was hoping > the D-Two could do the DD-20 type of delay but > unfortunately not. Fireworx can do it but according > to the manual the max delay time is only 675ms which > is way too short compared to the D-Two. I know the > Fireworx is probably one of the best 19" FX modules > out there but 675ms is a little disappointing, > especially for a device with this price tag. > > Sjaak > > > Rainer wrote: > > The FireworX can do that extremely well. I did one > setup where I put the > > D-Two via SPDIF in the Fireworx's insert (having > feedback set to 0) and > > create a feedback chain in the FireworX using > resonant filter, modulated > > delay (as Per explained) and distortion. > > --- > Scarlet One, ADSL 6 Mbps + Telefonie, vanaf EUR > 29,95... > http://www.scarlet.be/ > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom ____________________________________________________________________________________ Never miss a thing. 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        From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 13 22:18:15 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 23E103BFA2; Tue, 13 Nov 2007 22:18:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Ninja-PIM: Scanned by Ninja X-Ninja-AttachmentFiltering: (no action) From: Jeff Larson To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 16:18:18 -0600 Subject: RE: Scripting/Command Chaining in the Max/MSP Kaiser Looper Thread-Topic: Scripting/Command Chaining in the Max/MSP Kaiser Looper Thread-Index: AcgmP6LLiFv2+D35SSW06HQMY9siwQAAN1jQ Message-ID: <7872203368197C4691224688958BE71410AE006CB8@barq.sailpoint.com> References: <044201c824ab$e2203bf0$7db0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <047901c824c7$9aef3940$7db0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <04ea01c82558$0d16d8d0$7db0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <961FC3FA-CB7C-4EE5-930D-02648490F4D0@gmail.com> <062401c82585$9c584dd0$7db0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <129FEEA9-37D6-4A58-8513-49AE8EDA9F53@gmail.com> <068f01c825fc$a90ae930$7db0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <7872203368197C4691224688958BE71410AE006C25@barq.sailpoint.com> <459DD6CA-0681-4B79-8048-A801F19C7E16@gmail.com> <077401c82630$4effc5d0$7db0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <7872203368197C4691224688958BE71410AE006C86@barq.sailpoint.com> <07b601c8263f$9f99efc0$7db0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> In-Reply-To: <07b601c8263f$9f99efc0$7db0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US acceptlanguage: en-US Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Resent-Message-ID: <7itmRC.A._o.mKiOHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76376 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 22:18:14 +0000 (UTC) > KH: Aren't we just talking about different ways to manage buffers? Wou= ldn't > a software phrase sampler that creates autonomous parallel loops just= be a > limitation of the programmer and how he/she manages the buffers, > rather than an inherent difference in the underlying architecture? Yes, it all boils down to buffer management, but I consider this management as part of the underlying architecture. If we're just talking about the memory architecture then yes they're the same, it's just buffers of floating point numbers. But the overall software architecture between something like Mobius and a typical phrase sampler would be quite different. Infinite layer history isn't something you would tack on late in the design, it has implications for other levels of the system, all the way up to the UI. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 13 23:32:57 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 20B513BF84; Tue, 13 Nov 2007 23:32:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <000901c8264d$95835a90$6c052052@customer3530f5> From: "Ian Popperwell" To: References: <233690.65301.qm@web38607.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Re:TC Electronic D-two: how to emulate an analog delay? Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 23:33:24 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76377 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 23:32:57 +0000 (UTC) Hi, I've had the DL4 for years, but also have the Echo Pro, which is rack-mounted and MIDI controllable, it has all the delays of the DL4 and more and a longer looper with a MIDI syncable delay within it. I use mine controlled from my Philip Rees MM5 foot controller. Ian. ----- Original Message ----- From: "L.A. Angulo" To: Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 10:09 PM Subject: Re:TC Electronic D-two: how to emulate an analog delay? hey Sjaak, I am doing the same thing, putting everything in a rack to have more floor space and less setup time,the delays from the DL4 and DD-20 is something i am trying to replace as well,this is why i was inquring about the line6 PodXT pro,seems to have a wide variety of old delay and echo emulations like the DL4 and what i am also looking at is knobs to turn for manual manipulation which it also has.The GT pro doesnt seem to have as many delays but has a little 2.8 sec. hold sound on sound looper built it.But then again i would like to compare the sound quality of both. Luis --- Sjaak wrote: > Rainer, > I remember you have a DD-20 as well isn't it? Than > you probably know what I mean with the DD-20 > "analog" delay. BTw: I do have a DD-20 but I'm > moving all the FX processing to to a 19" rack so I > can control everything from my FC-300. I was hoping > the D-Two could do the DD-20 type of delay but > unfortunately not. Fireworx can do it but according > to the manual the max delay time is only 675ms which > is way too short compared to the D-Two. I know the > Fireworx is probably one of the best 19" FX modules > out there but 675ms is a little disappointing, > especially for a device with this price tag. > > Sjaak > > > Rainer wrote: > > The FireworX can do that extremely well. I did one > setup where I put the > > D-Two via SPDIF in the Fireworx's insert (having > feedback set to 0) and > > create a feedback chain in the FireworX using > resonant filter, modulated > > delay (as Per explained) and distortion. > > --- > Scarlet One, ADSL 6 Mbps + Telefonie, vanaf EUR > 29,95... > http://www.scarlet.be/ > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom ____________________________________________________________________________________ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 14 00:22:19 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9FFB73BF8C; Wed, 14 Nov 2007 00:22:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <20071113182215.vvm23cn3280cos04@69.89.21.76> Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 18:22:15 -0600 From: kkissinger@kevinkissinger.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: virgin looper References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.3) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - box76.bluehost.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - kevinkissinger.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76378 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 00:22:19 +0000 (UTC) Quoting michael wall : > > what I would appreciate is recommendations about which real-time > looping devices would be useful. simple is probably best. i'm adept > with my feet, so pedals are in the picture too. > Hi! Compared to others on this list, I am relatively new to looping (I've =20 been at it around a year now). The performances at the Y2K7 Loopfest =20 were fantastic. One performer who kept things simple was Genie. He played a guitar =20 and a loop pedal (someone chime in with the make). That's it. I =20 think most folks who were there would agree that he pushed the loop =20 pedal to the max and delivered a great set. He played the loop =20 station like an instrument along with his guitar, often alternating =20 between the two so fast that it was hard to follow. So yes, start simple and make a lot of music -- sounds like a good plan to m= e. You might want to check out the Loopers-delight website under "tools =20 of the trade" for ideas about various looping equipment. All the best to you! -- Kevin From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 14 01:48:44 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3EA8D3BF89; Wed, 14 Nov 2007 01:48:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <8523815.298391195004922442.JavaMail.servlet@kundenserver> From: tilmann@dehnhard.com To: Subject: RE: mobius track volume control generates artifacts MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-Binford: 6100 (more power) X-Mailer: Webmail X-Originating-From: 6257158 X-Routing: DE X-Message-Id: <6257158$1195004922393172.23.4.15219998215@pustefix152.kundenserver.de--702374012> X-Received: from pustefix152.kundenserver.de by 200.118.62.32 with HTTP id 6257158 for [Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com]; Wed, 14 Nov 2007 02:48:42 CET Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 02:48:42 +0100 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1/YnBJZxKxQRt87kJFSfMnex8W/dmOpka2p9+9 k5iyoP+p561nLD44GDEH3I8fC9xwLu7qxSQeRIdsz0wgDE2zf3 W8mdgkLS3BOowDNEv0CKA== Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76379 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 01:48:44 +0000 (UTC) "Does this pedal generate MIDI or are you doing some sort of signal-to-MIDI conversion inside Bidule? This could be part of the problem." i use joystick data that gets converted by bidules hid device. the sound i har is more than zipper noise, i guess. it has mids and sounds a little distorted, like a stutter effect gone wrong (if that makes sense to anyone). it happens pretty erratically, but almost every time i fade via pedal. when i fade via mouse, everything is clean. i will try the newest mobius version tomorrow. thanx for all the info! tilmann From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 14 02:44:03 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 014013BF9C; Wed, 14 Nov 2007 02:44:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=ALQ8u4kjmvQD8U4rIvwvBW6UVRYUJukrdS4qjaqMhVs=; b=SC8SJjXXy3KaOpToBUHGNT0AoQFXcUNROER8YNeVw7n9b243zMwrvTCxI5NHgKl+19Om4jzsV2bDehAtpfqsAGE6VcU6tye1evSVInWTOuH8MtsHYMBhzFqmn+bi/93zlX5E3edhy1cwhcNZ4JXXSiS4lUgAJCNYwIaUceF/USg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=bJ8ru8iUtPEnHKbVauLeW9DxstqM+bBClyA9g9ZePcBZ1UUTtFAQ0uCdGMcz2nWd8L+G3lbbQyeaR/Mdru94fjqxiT8jZB5fCEk/y4gv++b8dfw9i26hfeYoa+fDUUi9G/oShyZNAoDdOR37mvIIJrEidJ5Mt1xfaZhP439/OU4= Message-ID: Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 18:19:33 -0800 From: "Travis Hartnett" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: virgin looper In-Reply-To: <20071113182215.vvm23cn3280cos04@69.89.21.76> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <20071113182215.vvm23cn3280cos04@69.89.21.76> Resent-Message-ID: <-dB6cD.A.2bB.yDmOHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76380 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 02:44:02 +0000 (UTC) Genie uses a Line6 DL4 which he spraypainted silver. TH On Nov 13, 2007 4:22 PM, wrote: > > One performer who kept things simple was Genie. He played a guitar > and a loop pedal (someone chime in with the make). That's it. I > think most folks who were there would agree that he pushed the loop > pedal to the max and delivered a great set. He played the loop > station like an instrument along with his guitar, often alternating > between the two so fast that it was hard to follow. > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 14 02:45:09 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E00043BF9B; Wed, 14 Nov 2007 02:45:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <084401c82668$5e9d98e0$7db0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Fw: Rang III & MIDI/Expression Pedal Functionality Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 19:45:07 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76381 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 02:45:09 +0000 (UTC) FYI. Email from Mike Nelson at Boomerang on the expression pedal and MIDI jacks of the Rang III. I encourage everyone to go the website and reinforce the requests for these features, as it appears they are open to them in future releases. Kris *********** Hi Kris, > Hi - Can one control variable pitch with the expression pedal on the > Rang III? This will probably not make it into the first software release, but we have discussed it. However, there will be an octave feature. It will slow playback to half speed and drop the pitch an octave > Also, can the MIDI input allow one to connect MIDI pedal and access > other features? We haven't planned on that because there is an expression pedal input. But I can see wanting multiple control pedals for more flexibility. Thanks for the suggestions. They will be added to our list so that we can make the Rang(TM) III be as powerful as possible. -- Mike Nelson Secretary/Treasurer, Boomerang Management, Inc. General Partner of Boomerang Musical Products, Ltd. ---------- "Some products make you sound better; the Boomerang(R) Phrase Sampler makes you play better." - http://www.boomerangmusic.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 14 06:14:12 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9B3333BF9E; Wed, 14 Nov 2007 06:14:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <473A9227.4090303@mhorse.com> Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 00:13:59 -0600 From: Daryl Shawn User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.13 (Windows/20070809) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: New Cuong Vu/Bill Frisell release References: <5AD7D086-AD0B-4FBE-BD3B-BFD4390E3458@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76382 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 06:14:12 +0000 (UTC) I've been listening to oft-looping trumpeter Cuong Vu all week (especially "Pure" and "Come Play With Me"), and was quite thrilled to find that he has a new release with Bill Frisell. Sample track on Artistdirect (interesting site) sounds modern-aggro-jazzy, with loops poking out, a tricky head and Frisell going for the jugular more than he has in awhile. Looking forward to hearing the whole thing. Daryl Shawn www.swanwelder.com www.chinapaintingmusic.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 14 06:35:16 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 79CF03BFA3; Wed, 14 Nov 2007 06:35:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=kXGGa3GiOhAVpGFnDtqR3M0LIy2rI0Bnp5WLwtEc72N2AFkirp2YOwSYcm1Cd1FV; h=Received:Message-ID:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Message-ID: <00fe01c82688$3e12b400$6401a8c0@ECCO> From: "JC" To: Subject: A new web page with looping music Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 22:29:37 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00FA_01C82644.AC4FC640" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2739.300 X-ELNK-Trace: 250e53821a8c36f54d2b10475b571120f41d42199d67ba1e5b160ad57af1c70cbb217302ca26f094350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 69.181.225.103 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76383 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 06:35:16 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00FA_01C82644.AC4FC640 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi again, Here's a new page my friends and I just finished. It's a mixture of graphics, text and looping music. Hope you enjoy it: http://www.deconstructionist.com/forceand.htm Let me know what you think. JC Mendizabal Black Note Music http://www.blacknotemusic.com Via Sinistrae www.viasinistrae.com http://sinistrae.libsyn.com/ ------=_NextPart_000_00FA_01C82644.AC4FC640 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
        Hi again,
         
        Here's a new page my friends and I just = finished.
        It's a mixture of graphics, text and = looping=20 music.
        Hope you enjoy it:
         
        http://www.deconst= ructionist.com/forceand.htm
         
        Let me know what you = think.
         
        JC Mendizabal
        Black Note Music
        http://www.blacknotemusic.com<= BR>Via=20 Sinistrae
        www.viasinistrae.com
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        ------=_NextPart_000_00FA_01C82644.AC4FC640-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 14 07:45:09 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6F55C3BFA4; Wed, 14 Nov 2007 07:45:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-priority:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; bh=QUxTCBd1XrLhEQw5w/btbDPkGmCnokL5CgfOd2ndh/E=; b=XSerVxh7Eo1oRA0huBim5dp7/cjEy1vHWWCMLqwSL1F3txnoDohwMQVUbdEx6Y3/fjFWy62SrIWUHYXmUnDCUIcYwu9FUndz3OpIRNcLENjfmAJtUL0B8oMfiMR3JesubFYZXMHi5WW5NZBBjexqn7K5fwPjvlCxhWI4qUUvBBY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-priority:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=HJa5sGNvLtdIQk2c3ULzUpCVH+O3b0KdTPFKVbue6e64sh8zBEasQLn8xZNYdRSgUSM3EWhluHRv0HHT+NODTih0ArgY+xEgvx3DQW23mMGXlsY3G35MgaNmPRrBpILGIP6qhYfZvO+Viflm6MTVDdFPRAoMARS8MPZXmGYTZes= In-Reply-To: <004c01c82625$a79f9cc0$0201a8c0@eluk1> References: <11984868.803411194971757773.JavaMail.servlet@kundenserver> <8F3606DC-CBC2-4626-83B7-8A7DE238E2D1@gmail.com> <004c01c82625$a79f9cc0$0201a8c0@eluk1> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: mobius track volume control generates artifacts Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 08:45:02 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76384 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 07:45:09 +0000 (UTC) On 13 nov 2007, at 19.47, Stephen Goodman wrote: > Is there a VST checker out there that one might have had experience > with? When several packages get installed there can be a quite > large list. Suggestions for winnowing the bad ones out would be > good...! I use a very simple method that has never failed me: Install one at a time and test if it works well or does annoy the system. Sometimes I have run into problems (zipper noise) when two particular VST plug-ins are daisy-chained in a certain order. The problem went away when I changed the order (going A-->B instead of B-->A). I have also run into problems with crashing applications (Bidule, Mobius) when applying real-time MIDI CC control, by expression pedals, over VST's parameters. The solution was to not use the expression pedals for those parameters in those plug-ins. It's all trial and error in VST land. But you can do well there if you try different things and make some errors on the way. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://www.youtube.com/pellibox (gritty) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 14 08:12:01 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A69D33BF9A; Wed, 14 Nov 2007 08:12:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; bh=pyZHsTUHPfbznaFekhS5M9P32zYsqPp8CE32aa5WT1s=; b=KsJL+pVoEBm2Xur5IIBKr8basRm5YqaRC20KHr5+z3afJXQFwaWowkETMl7MwoKvjZeR/D31yNIMBhszgSMG/3rq473ARvRiBXuQlpinBjHVIW2Zz9HCn/poJDcjS+KORQZlLbNT60c+dOoDG7/b255xJVuAumumIjgpexLrUBc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=uLFyxBWBsFrocXHi60QMwJkrQqKNaQKV6OxBt7qdejUbteYgwfNGPvBnV5B9gmPirjMXc1x7yheqPDegqUK/ogN80jAleoJFTfSk1e62PS7mGF1/RxR6zkTkA5S08xFlFzgd5UHnxhFOHTJPStk1Ogcwpn9oWW1GIc4FT7dDAiU= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <21108A10-47FC-4CBA-BA33-07BDDAA437F5@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: TC Electronic D-two: how to emulate an analog delay? Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 09:11:54 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76385 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 08:12:01 +0000 (UTC) On 13 nov 2007, at 21.50, Sjaak wrote: > I program synths sounds, so BPF, LPF, HPF, notch etc are familiar > terms. I understood your message, no problem :) Imo, resonating > filters in a feedback loop is one of my favourite type of effects. > You don't hear a lot in a live setup these days. You're right about that! But I think that's not because people in general tend to not like it - I think it's because many musicians just don't know about using that sound. After all, it is a sound color that sound good in a context, when blending in with other sounds. Some new musicians "work hard on their patches" by listening to the patch and tweaking them. What that method leads to is a bunch of sounds that each one sounds so full that they kind of equal out most musical dynamics when used together. If you are stuck in that "Single Super Patch Limbo" you really need someone to show you the laws of blending different sound sources - you won't find out just by accident. Experienced musicians, music engineers and producers develop a kind of "imaginative multi layered hearing" with time that lets them hear a single sound as "what it is lacking"; i.e. what areas that particular sound will leave open in the mix for some other sound to occupy. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://www.youtube.com/pellibox (gritty) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 14 08:12:33 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5803A3BFAC; Wed, 14 Nov 2007 08:12:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com In-Reply-To: <02cc01c824a0$61714680$7db0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> References: <001b01c8245f$35160df0$1001a8c0@succubus> <025801c82476$04c96ef0$7db0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <47373375.7060200@post.cybercity.dk> <4737511F.806@post.cybercity.dk> <02cc01c824a0$61714680$7db0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Matthias Grob Subject: computers suck creative energy Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 05:12:22 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at atarde.com.br Resent-Message-ID: <6qBtc.A.AmE.x3qOHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76386 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 08:12:33 +0000 (UTC) I am impressed, depressed... I spent a lot of time switching from HW to SW myself, and I still dont feel at home as you could see and hear at y2k7. I had almost the same system for 15 years before, only upgrading effect units, soldering arround in my fixed wiring sometimes to allow some new control or combination, so that worked very intuitively to me. But was it bug free? No! many times there was a bad contact somewhere, usually coming up before the show, but sometimes during, as well... Sometimes some setting was changed and not as easy to find as in the computer, where everything is preset, just open the right file and all is the way you saved it... I see the effort some musicians make from plain accoustic playing to using HW effects. You did that step long time ago, possibly while learning to play, so you dont even remember that. There are a lot of side conditions of how you set up the computer. I am using the same macbook pro for everything in my life, which is not so serious. I should have a unit just for live playing and leave it the way it is, until some change which is well tested on another machine can be moved to the live computer - a week or so before the next gig... And this live computer could be a box with a touch screen and pedal connected. A main drawback of the laptops are the exposed connectors on its side. I think the whole setup should be ready wired in a save box (I see that most loopers dont do this and spend a time hooking up all their pedals and testing them each time they play). I actually tried this with a mini mac in the same box as the pedal and the audio interface, but failed, because the it has the video memory shared with the main memory which produces clicks. ** always buy computers with video cards that have physical memory on it (carefull, they try to cheat in specs!) ** Also, for the preliminary Mathons Polyphonic plugins, I spend over 50% of the processor power, so any accidental additional load can create a click - or a gap, as I had 4 times at y2k7, and never before... also, I was stupid enough to not even reboot the computer before playing... So I think we should - learn how to do it best on what there is arround now - not touch the solution when we have one and play it over a longer time - hope for faster and smaller (no HD) machines in the future - hope for more realtime oriented music OS (as the Linux guys are working on, while Vista goes the other direction...) - hope (or work) for better looping software... >> difficult to just do what's needed and say "yup, it works, now >> close the toolbox" >> > Yup, I follow you. My problem, at least in the PC world, is that > the damn technology > never lets you close the toolbox. :) thats because you are not done with it yet. I bet we can come to a arrangement we like so much that we stop looking at each plug that comes out for a while and then make another upgrade when we feel like - on a different machine... Plus, you knew when you started using Max, that you were choosing the steep way, but you wanted it because you want unlimited optinons. So since the machine does not give you limits (as a RC20 would ;-) you have to put a limit! So yes, all this sucks creative energy, but its because we are really creating something new and in the end can create new music with it, so the sucked energy is fed back, in a way, no? yeah, dont stop to play because of the computer, but dont just trash what holds so much of your energy! Matthias On 11 Nov 2007, at 17:21, Krispen Hartung wrote: > I'm just confused as the pragmatic difference between lugging a > desktop computer box around, with a touch screen connected to it, > maybe an external audio interface, and a MIDI controller....and > simply bringing a laptop and an interface and MIDI controller. Not > much difference to me...both revolve around the PC, which is what > has been sucking the artistic energy out of me > > Remember the sci-fi movie, Lifeforce? Remember that beautiful > brunet/alien who was walking around, baring her breasts, seducing > men, and sucking the life out of them? Yeah, that's the laptop/max/ > reaktor for me. It's just so damn seductive I can't say no, but it > drains me. :) > > Kris > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 14 08:22:11 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 097CB3BFA8; Wed, 14 Nov 2007 08:22:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-priority:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; bh=cvtmqkox+YOfIaQcuMp+1BJmyaRp3Af4J0RuvRCJ+pc=; b=jFN3oJVxnwKRb6eKwum28Qf78//O9YcqZXtSe86iL6TI2qL7eb6V9iQbg7kqRy8/yq9uCArQ+96ezR+VhfvxTO8au0WriK08sJ2qvIqIWjcqHUfwQm/Bqs867EkSW/Fh0ncCfGiQUj7X/H84dx7cAuyp/fcKYtj2zQPCOTWJY48= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-priority:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=uXBT5VCnu8q7d/0+Gw0AilcYOBxmiDYC8kQQXauFQzvoaPN06R8+wgRsUERNLHoJBt8/xZhSesalP0RqJiQJR8A7LFDXusz0thMri5R0yqag8HLfTQswoX2cVk9XBWUqpk+k16n7U38bd5rZxqsUoKiOHko+Wyx5HpC7DZ7BNIw= In-Reply-To: <8523815.298391195004922442.JavaMail.servlet@kundenserver> References: <8523815.298391195004922442.JavaMail.servlet@kundenserver> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <4AED1138-75B5-4B9E-A7ED-182032954115@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: mobius track volume control generates artifacts Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 09:22:04 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: <-6clOC.A.SBF.yArOHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76387 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 08:22:10 +0000 (UTC) On 14 nov 2007, at 02.48, tilmann@dehnhard.com wrote: > i use joystick data that gets converted by bidules hid device. > > the sound i har is more than zipper noise, i guess. it has mids and > sounds a little distorted, like a stutter effect gone wrong (if > that makes sense to anyone). > it happens pretty erratically, but almost every time i fade via pedal. > when i fade via mouse, everything is clean. > i will try the newest mobius version tomorrow. > > thanx for all the info! > tilmann I've experienced zipper noise with external MIDI input in two situations: When controlling a parameter of some VST plug-in and when controlling certain parameters of the hardware effect processor TC Electronics Fireworx. But never in Mobius or any other software looper or in the EDP or the REpeater. I was working on finding out what caused it in the Firworx but due to financial shortage I had to sell it before I found out. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://www.youtube.com/pellibox (gritty) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 14 09:09:59 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9B2733BFAB; Wed, 14 Nov 2007 09:09:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 1481 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Wed, 14 Nov 2007 09:09:58 UTC DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:content-transfer-encoding:message-id:content-type:to:from:subject:date:x-mailer; bh=aoFdsvDoS7F2vGv4dY6rs2K0ldaHN/fquEs0J68skwo=; b=H6LzwRv3OZLOsqMKDtdUj66AxwXT/l7DkhW6HBk5pX7nj+jPeTvg6w7pGK6Vt4B5mMroIwLQq9cHEw6ORYVujvU+jTCUhGRxGcvlk2DEsiWsElZCDlz+1ArK7fN+pdvfOBKGGgX3u1m4au2rRVZc3Jw+ULZtebJgW6qOoXaMUNs= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:mime-version:content-transfer-encoding:message-id:content-type:to:from:subject:date:x-mailer; b=pgxS+hHSLcvHIR7jqFDPq91oDxC2cMRDsyzXPw+tWSn3dZDNZZwMo7qdYDSiOz3PSaeBUg/XdJrEnoTidKR/5DsxskCPJZvddDgXX88TEUR6FDV/WKoqYuycoO6WfyJFebp7yiOqpppLXVU9w6UzXG3cxDIZPpD7LtE353tqFUo= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <70605B01-3AF2-4824-89BB-BE3D64F71163@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Ryan Adlaf Subject: EHX 2880 Midi Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 00:45:06 -0800 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76388 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 09:09:59 +0000 (UTC) Anyone have any experience with the new 2880 Midi functionality introduced in the the 1.5 firmware update? The " ...at least 300mS between each button push message" comment in the docs is a little confusing - can that be true?! ~ ryan From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 14 10:03:55 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 46FB33BFB0; Wed, 14 Nov 2007 10:03:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:x-google-sender-auth; bh=bBlDGZhhNfQDxqL5XU8o88MvPrAnkaaaggzq2akK/yU=; b=oOUhYTNPO3gCIMuJphyYsxN8S09IZd3CfSsCzCmt6E+4i9Ce/B45WnnHlc62i7JZAuS2oaS/8CPj7d+vP3ZDhrFs6R/iit33SoOuQ5jTXQ+nSLHmAOz4VET+m9Wt32cLct8hBs/vx7ZSh1VlPCpaBmfNOpU3D0pQ0ZF3Gth+R6g= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:x-google-sender-auth; b=Q4rGWYXmZBe/QeXC3VIWTeyRC8Gzkw34LqqoSEOCAjo0R6F6bMG4+n/Xv5FYnyXpFR2JIXMHYouEThzOBumDPiAQzqqHFpjtgYl2I0BEDILXhNktVbsPzLEdVTbTEFc5w7N+QVY6MRTjFKmz/qJgsWsAz9IaoD9wevw3RR/h6Wc= Message-ID: Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 10:03:52 +0000 From: Os Sender: expertsleepers@googlemail.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: gig tonight (14th) London UK - Michael Peters, Darkroom, Andrew Booker MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Google-Sender-Auth: 4a3c9e18b3297650 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76389 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 10:03:55 +0000 (UTC) More info: http://www.improvizone.com/post.php?id=107 For the technically inclined, Andrew posted a wiring diagram for the gig on his blog (!): http://www.improvizone.com/post.php?id=110 cheers, os. -- os@collective.co.uk http://www.collective.co.uk/ http://www.myspace.com/darkroomtheband From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 14 10:23:32 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0BA013BFB5; Wed, 14 Nov 2007 10:23:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <473ACC99.10606@post.cybercity.dk> Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 11:23:21 +0100 From: van Sinn Organization: van Sinn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight Subject: A fun EH Stereo Memory Man With Hazarai vid Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <8lHCoB.A.FKB.jysOHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76390 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 10:23:32 +0000 (UTC) http://youtube.com/watch?v=5BOzomocUk0 Could be a promotional vid; whatever, it's well made and pretty fun :-D -- rgds, van Sinn From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 14 10:24:30 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CF3403BFB1; Wed, 14 Nov 2007 10:24:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <010a01c826a8$96d127f0$6401a8c0@dayglogreen> From: "Rick Walker" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: Y2K6 on GUITAR PLAYER TV Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 02:24:50 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76391 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 10:24:30 +0000 (UTC) This may be old hat to everyone, but I just discovered that the y2k6 loopfest is on Guitar Player TV currently. Go to http://www.guitarplayertv.com/ navigate to CONCERT HALL and then there are five clips including some wonderful guitar performances by our own Bill Walker, Ted Killian, Carl Weingarten, Genie, Darin Shaeffer, Barry Cleveland, Krispen Hartung and then some appearances by yours truly and Amy X Neuburg. In addition there is an interview with Kim Flint about Loopers Delight and one with me about the festival itself (recorded in the sweaty 24th wonderful and exhausting hour of the festival). This is sooooooo damned cool. I loved the interview with Kim! check it out. yours, Rick Walker ps really special, special thanks to Barry Cleveland for really supporting our looping community and selling this idea to the editors of GP!!!! It's meant a lot and it looks fantastic on everyone's resumes and rvs. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 14 10:29:17 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 18C3E3BFA6; Wed, 14 Nov 2007 10:29:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <473ACDF3.3000505@post.cybercity.dk> Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 11:29:07 +0100 From: van Sinn Organization: van Sinn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight Subject: K.T. Tunstall looping Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76392 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 10:29:17 +0000 (UTC) While I'm into the fun side of things, you probably already saw this, brought to my atteation a while ago on the A.G NG. Basic looping, but at that age, pretty cool. And so cute too ;) > Here's a clip of K.T. Tunstall doing her big hit on a TV broadcast. > She starts out by making a few loops and then she jumps on top of > them. Nice boots too! > > Enjoy, > Lulu : ) > > http://www.glumbert.com/media/onewomanband -- rgds, van Sinn From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 14 10:40:24 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6D3A33BE46; Wed, 14 Nov 2007 10:40:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: <145737.50659.qm@web34513.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <145737.50659.qm@web34513.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <56F37443-D1DC-40F1-8778-BB6A670E998F@atarde.com.br> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: DL4 Expression Pedals (was: Alesis F2 Review) Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 07:40:07 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at atarde.com.br Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76393 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 10:40:24 +0000 (UTC) thats the worst problem several pedals: a too small range usually they just cut the maximum but the optical ones dont go to zero, which is useless to me so it the M Audio optical? or could you maybe adjust it? sometimes they just dont assemble the =20 potentiometer in the perfect position... On 7 Nov 2007, at 18:56, =20 wrote: > I'm currently using the M audio and have found it to > be decent.... but I can still faintly hear the loop > when I'm trying to mute using the pedal. > > --- ditch wrestler wrote: > >> Anybody know if the Alesis, M-Audio, or Behringer >> pedals will work as an expression pedal for the DL4? >> >> >> ted. >> >> >> Kevin Cheli-Colando wrote: >> Speaking of expression pedals,anyone ever use the >> Behringer pedals? >> >> http://www.zzounds.com/item--BEHFCV100 >> >> Bad reviews for volume control but $25 for a metal >> expression pedal >> might be good. >> >> Kevin >> >> >> >> >> "Indeed, naturally I think that a film should have a >> beginning, middle, and an end =97 but not necessarily >> in that order." Jean Luc Goddard >> __________________________________________________ >> Do You Yahoo!? >> Tired of spam? Yahoo! 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Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 14 11:12:50 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7D0C93BFB2; Wed, 14 Nov 2007 11:12:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <473AD825.6000308@post.cybercity.dk> Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 12:12:37 +0100 From: van Sinn Organization: van Sinn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: computers suck creative energy References: <001b01c8245f$35160df0$1001a8c0@succubus> <025801c82476$04c96ef0$7db0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <47373375.7060200@post.cybercity.dk> <4737511F.806@post.cybercity.dk> <02cc01c824a0$61714680$7db0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76394 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 11:12:50 +0000 (UTC) Matthias Grob wrote: > I am impressed, depressed... > I spent a lot of time switching from HW to SW myself, and I still dont > feel at home as you could see and hear at y2k7. > I had almost the same system for 15 years before, only upgrading effect > units, soldering arround in my fixed wiring sometimes to allow some new > control or combination, so that worked very intuitively to me. > But was it bug free? No! many times there was a bad contact somewhere, > usually coming up before the show, but sometimes during, as well... > Sometimes some setting was changed and not as easy to find as in the > computer, where everything is preset, just open the right file and all > is the way you saved it... > > I see the effort some musicians make from plain accoustic playing to > using HW effects. You did that step long time ago, possibly while > learning to play, so you dont even remember that. > > There are a lot of side conditions of how you set up the computer. I am > using the same macbook pro for everything in my life, which is not so > serious. I should have a unit just for live playing and leave it the > way it is, until some change which is well tested on another machine > can be moved to the live computer - a week or so before the next gig... Couldn't agree more; see my comments further down. > And this live computer could be a box with a touch screen and pedal > connected. A main drawback of the laptops are the exposed connectors on > its side. I think the whole setup should be ready wired in a save box > (I see that most loopers dont do this and spend a time hooking up all > their pedals and testing them each time they play). Agreed. I wrote something semilar in a previous post; i.e. having all prewired and organized as a standalone concept, using a USB touchpanel to prevent being able to mess with a _production_ environment. Again, more related comments below. > I actually tried > this with a mini mac in the same box as the pedal and the audio > interface, but failed, because the it has the video memory shared with > the main memory which produces clicks. > > ** always buy computers with video cards that have physical memory on > it (carefull, they try to cheat in specs!) ** Points taken! though I wonder which OS you used to have audible clicks? You do mention trying a Mac Mini, still with audiable clicks, which is a Bit surpricing to me. I've been thinking of using such. Rethinking.. Actually, video is a problem, as most SFF computers use shared vid mem. > So I think we should > - learn how to do it best on what there is arround now > - not touch the solution when we have one and play it over a longer time > - hope for faster and smaller (no HD) machines in the future > - hope for more realtime oriented music OS (as the Linux guys are > working on, while Vista goes the other direction...) > - hope (or work) for better looping software... > >>> difficult to just do what's needed and say "yup, it works, now close >>> the toolbox" >>> >> Yup, I follow you. My problem, at least in the PC world, is that the >> damn technology >> never lets you close the toolbox. :) > > > thats because you are not done with it yet. I bet we can come to a > arrangement we like so much that we stop looking at each plug that > comes out for a while and then make another upgrade when we feel like - > on a different machine... Agreed. This is exactly like doing software or service development in IT; you need a development and a productin environment. At this point of looping hardware/software development, AFAICT solutions aren't completely ready, so we _are_ into a development process. -- rgds, van Sinn From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 14 12:53:49 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 066CB3BFB3; Wed, 14 Nov 2007 12:53:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 385 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Wed, 14 Nov 2007 12:53:47 UTC DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=Dr6ZWylBQphbW77XzPUlKh3JQs9rBSeERaKGxGznfOM=; b=A1c7EPzAFVvDlyqENKQSuovj6XZPYDi3m5glPjHvyKHNnj/gf1y7JmCgERW61JqqeJyKN70sKHS7FTq+jdvSel6+ps+nvZ1py/nsXsIQhZC6ts2BRmnQRU3VWk8IF4CwTFD3oSfQKPo2AD9CTdhyijhkvC/CdR70b9cYxTqiZS4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=CsDx2g6qXwJLfVsG3TTA74Eu0FWT/tL1t/J3W79+f/VTgUzLRd2Pmgnm+Z2JjI1DLtX6rFK7tpMHa6AVm1M7l113C0Ssyk/3+oSvN5fhB6xF5gjjOBwCvwJH9qru1UTbIOhZuZJFspcELUSBLNDOszwwSIDtYIU23QhGMFr7v44= Message-ID: Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 13:47:20 +0100 From: "andy soto" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Y2K6 on GUITAR PLAYER TV In-Reply-To: <010a01c826a8$96d127f0$6401a8c0@dayglogreen> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <010a01c826a8$96d127f0$6401a8c0@dayglogreen> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76395 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 12:53:47 +0000 (UTC) Rick! you look so different on TV man, after you say "Hi I'm rick walker" I ALMOST expected you to say "and I live in a van down by the river" hahahah just joking! :-D Andy On Nov 14, 2007 11:24 AM, Rick Walker wrote: > This may be old hat to everyone, but I just discovered that > the y2k6 loopfest is on Guitar Player TV currently. > > > Go to http://www.guitarplayertv.com/ > > navigate to > > CONCERT HALL > > and then there are five clips including some wonderful > guitar performances by our own Bill Walker, Ted Killian, Carl Weingarten, > Genie, Darin Shaeffer, Barry Cleveland, Krispen Hartung and > then some appearances by yours truly and Amy X Neuburg. > > In addition there is an interview with Kim Flint about Loopers Delight > and one with me about the festival itself (recorded in the sweaty > 24th wonderful and exhausting hour of the festival). > > This is sooooooo damned cool. I loved the interview with Kim! > > check it out. > > yours, Rick Walker > > ps really special, special thanks to Barry Cleveland for really > supporting our looping community and selling this idea to the > editors of GP!!!! It's meant a lot and it looks fantastic on > everyone's resumes and rvs. > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 14 13:25:06 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5B7193BFAE; Wed, 14 Nov 2007 13:25:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.no; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=5YPubjPTVV2ht1RKWvRTxnea32G3/chJQifUcepHKdnK0sB6/vHy6TuzHmtEmbjmX4P0T1F23EIMg4uMYPSAACK9U2o/AiQat+wPvcLp4Q1sPxLzrzVLSpL/d63NKnLvYzVtNUSiwAjHILLg1eQlDtaOtX2elW9CIqqauMkyuag=; X-YMail-OSG: tPrV0N0VM1nZHFzxZ5nb8P.CLa3pql.Q.IUuvVkHnCtKxbh1dUHXgtXXpDHWoTGEIB8RfWgJusw7ZEqX13OkSFkeqz_pMDmTHA-- Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 14:25:01 +0100 (CET) From: rune fagereng Subject: Re. Y2K6 on GUITAR PLAYER TV To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <010a01c826a8$96d127f0$6401a8c0@dayglogreen> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <514146.16989.qm@web26215.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76396 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 13:25:06 +0000 (UTC) Hi ! This was nice. Great music - good interviews. It was fun too see some of the loopers faces also, not just as names in the mails. Rune F. --- Rick Walker skrev: > This may be old hat to everyone, but I just > discovered that > the y2k6 loopfest is on Guitar Player TV currently. > > > Go to http://www.guitarplayertv.com/ > > navigate to > > CONCERT HALL > > and then there are five clips including some > wonderful > guitar performances by our own Bill Walker, Ted > Killian, Carl Weingarten, > Genie, Darin Shaeffer, Barry Cleveland, Krispen > Hartung and > then some appearances by yours truly and Amy X > Neuburg. > > In addition there is an interview with Kim Flint > about Loopers Delight > and one with me about the festival itself (recorded > in the sweaty > 24th wonderful and exhausting hour of the festival). > > This is sooooooo damned cool. I loved the > interview with Kim! > > check it out. > > yours, Rick Walker > > ps really special, special thanks to Barry > Cleveland for really > supporting our looping community and selling this > idea to the > editors of GP!!!! It's meant a lot and it looks > fantastic on > everyone's resumes and rvs. > > > _________________________________________________________ Alt i ett. Få Yahoo! Mail med adressekartotek, kalender og notisblokk. http://no.mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 14 13:26:17 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9CE4D3BFCA; Wed, 14 Nov 2007 13:26:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: BreachinThePeace@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 08:26:11 EST Subject: Re: very special floor-based looper To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-----------------------------1195046771" X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5378 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76397 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 13:26:17 +0000 (UTC) -------------------------------1195046771 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm spoiled, bring on the Rang 3. The RC-50 is just too disappointing to me to get into. Did anyone ever figure out how to get the RC-50 not to default, once the patch upgrade has been performed to start and end the loop on cue, to the original crap mode it's in out of the box? What a pain. Hopefully they had enough sense to make a hard upgrade within their production line. ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com -------------------------------1195046771 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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        -------------------------------1195046771-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 14 13:47:17 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3E1FD3BFC3; Wed, 14 Nov 2007 13:47:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <473AFC5B.50509@post.cybercity.dk> Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 14:47:07 +0100 From: van Sinn Organization: van Sinn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: virgin looper References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76398 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 13:47:17 +0000 (UTC) A virgin looper.. now, that got me thinking about a great many things not the slightest music related ;) Don't even think I'd want to be able to hit the stop-looping' button.. Sorry, couldn't help it. -- rgds, van Sinn From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 14 14:33:05 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4E64C3BFC1; Wed, 14 Nov 2007 14:33:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 401 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Wed, 14 Nov 2007 14:33:04 UTC DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=QQYSbDAfT6teuTq6LsXgHHbolNccM1W+MgjZyPPpgqYY6c8q4IELL9xD/iWu56P8EM9+jeIIy6LTEUfMz7AlU1cb2uNPeUTn1KSJxnACZQKyMZrW2mVaBGXCTvxIVJ1KHUjHjwt60aGRDd/tnyVg0r0aqBnfCR54AN3F3cedXn0=; X-YMail-OSG: jcSRZ9sVM1lLWVpFS58Yec2c29M7xW_.HqNt.qCyIjafQ6yFPjChJxchQzC4vVKhq3VWUphc7v_s6G7EVinUCkkBMg.dlV_iacv8cNc1.LmDaEkDoChwREW8L79x9Q-- Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 06:26:22 -0800 (PST) From: Elmer Fuddski Subject: Re: computers suck creative energy To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <473AD825.6000308@post.cybercity.dk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-2023889105-1195050382=:18006" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <181135.18006.qm@web38409.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76399 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 14:33:05 +0000 (UTC) --0-2023889105-1195050382=:18006 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit (Agreed. This is exactly like doing software or service development in IT; you need a development and a productin environmentAgreed. This is exactly like doing software or service development in IT; you need a development and a productin environment) Just want I want to do in my spare time after doing similar at work all day. Think I'll stay with the hardware looping route. --------------------------------- Be a better sports nut! Let your teams follow you with Yahoo Mobile. Try it now. --0-2023889105-1195050382=:18006 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit (Agreed. This is exactly like doing software or service development in
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        Just want I want to do in my spare time after doing similar at work all day. Think I'll stay with the hardware looping route.

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Try now! = --_faa94a61-3c46-48c5-9436-c0cc822556ca_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 14 16:30:45 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 12DB83BFAD; Wed, 14 Nov 2007 16:30:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Ninja-PIM: Scanned by Ninja X-Ninja-AttachmentFiltering: (no action) From: Jeff Larson To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 10:30:48 -0600 Subject: RE: mobius track volume control generates artifacts Thread-Topic: mobius track volume control generates artifacts Thread-Index: Acgml3YPTNc9CKq/Rfm8GWI8P7qJ6gAQoAdA Message-ID: <7872203368197C4691224688958BE71410AE006D53@barq.sailpoint.com> References: <8523815.298391195004922442.JavaMail.servlet@kundenserver> <4AED1138-75B5-4B9E-A7ED-182032954115@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <4AED1138-75B5-4B9E-A7ED-182032954115@gmail.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US acceptlanguage: en-US Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76400 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 16:30:45 +0000 (UTC) > the sound i har is more than zipper noise, i guess. it has mids and > sounds a little distorted, like a stutter effect gone wrong (if > that makes sense to anyone). > it happens pretty erratically, but almost every time i fade via pedal. > when i fade via mouse, everything is clean. One possibility is that the signal from the device is unstable. Is there a way to have Bidule display what the pedal is sending or which MIDI control values are being sent to Mobius?. If the signal from the pedal was jumping around rapidly between two or more levels, you could get a very rapid tremolo which might sound like a stutter. I'm still not clear on how you're getting this signal into Mobius. Are you using VST parameter automation? If so that might be the problem. Mobius has a few VST parameters but almost no one uses them, everyone seems to use MIDI. There might be bugs in the VST interface. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 14 16:45:12 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3A0B43BFAA; Wed, 14 Nov 2007 16:45:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <473B260E.8020901@post.cybercity.dk> Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 17:45:02 +0100 From: van Sinn Organization: van Sinn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: computers suck creative energy References: <181135.18006.qm@web38409.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <181135.18006.qm@web38409.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76401 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 16:45:12 +0000 (UTC) Elmer Fuddski wrote: > (Agreed. This is exactly like doing software or service development in > IT; you need a development and a productin environmentAgreed. This is > exactly like doing software or service development in > IT; you need a development and a productin environment) > > Just want I want to do in my spare time after doing similar at work all > day. Think I'll stay with the hardware looping route. Why do you think I don't have a looper yet? IT job.. ;) -- rgds, van Sinn From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 14 16:49:35 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 136753BFD1; Wed, 14 Nov 2007 16:49:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=Vl6OGQwFpcsiFt+5pPnw2ciM77lPmw7B0Kr5Q6Q1blE=; b=pO4a/jpYk/Zo7EoqnyENNs9KkqFjkzXKY5+p/OuNIcXqgABtGx31NhGVJVPqDbiTHJTYIqp+5AusYzFwCd+XRK73uZVDgXaH5w/16y9+aZjPdjB5YBfYxUI1DP5LJf0FDY5wC5QxIY6JTzzXjQb5sZwwGXleZIOw+TZnZZI9DMA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=AK25rTif3YCS0MflU26QcR5IginCDj5D+VIstSnwyB+YP4PlWt0E4pqp+sVyvmS0BapM4Hd6wlyV8Z2euLuHC+oFBL26hg2closmhh+Ce2WjoPAh8KQbmj17OUgneU4xrRLW0d8nG18uGl9KqeoAMHSZXQpVijtUFvb4yibTEoY= Message-ID: Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 08:49:32 -0800 From: "Travis Hartnett" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: computers suck creative energy In-Reply-To: <473B260E.8020901@post.cybercity.dk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <181135.18006.qm@web38409.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <473B260E.8020901@post.cybercity.dk> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76402 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 16:49:35 +0000 (UTC) 10+ years ago, Brian Eno talked about how he was thinking of banning computers from his studio work environment, since they invariably introduced a bunch of downtime in the form of the engineer saying "Oh, wait, that's not right, hold on a minute while I...." and ten minutes of mouse twiddling ensued, during which time the musicians lost focus and would wander off to the video games in the lounge. Did analog studios have technical problems? Sure, but he felt that computers had introduced an unacceptable increase in the ratio of up versus down time. TH On Nov 14, 2007 8:45 AM, van Sinn wrote: > Elmer Fuddski wrote: > > Just want I want to do in my spare time after doing similar at work all > > day. Think I'll stay with the hardware looping route. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 14 17:02:42 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5E8CE3BFC9; Wed, 14 Nov 2007 17:02:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 12:02:10 EST Subject: Re: computers suck creative energy To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_c13.1f2e8ce2.346c8412_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 293 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76403 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 17:02:42 +0000 (UTC) --part1_c13.1f2e8ce2.346c8412_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 11/14/07 11:49:47 AM, travishartnett@gmail.com writes: > "Oh, > wait, that's not right, hold on a minute while I...." and ten minutes > of mouse twiddling ensued, > sounds like walking into either a computer or music store.....makes me think of poor ERDEM plugging in his computer in bill w's studio and the crazyness that ensued at y2k7.....i ran a hugged my rang which on occasion, i must be honest, needs a good slapping for it's own misconduct.....:).....m "raise em to eat em!".....scoots galore "THOUGHTS ON PETS" www.ct-collective.com http://mysite.verizon.net/vzepmeci/ http://www.myspace.com/klobuchar11 ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com --part1_c13.1f2e8ce2.346c8412_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
        In a message dated 11/14/07 11:49:47 AM, travishartnett@gmail.com writes:

        "Oh,
        wait, that's not right, hold on a minute while I...." and ten minutes
        of mouse twiddling ensued,


        sounds like walking into either a computer or music store.....makes me th= ink of poor ERDEM plugging in his computer in bill w's studio and the crazyn= ess that ensued at y2k7.....i ran a hugged my rang which on occasion, i must= be honest, needs a good slapping for it's own misconduct.....:).....m




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        See what's=20= new at http://www.aol.com --part1_c13.1f2e8ce2.346c8412_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 14 17:04:41 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 26EB13BFBB; Wed, 14 Nov 2007 17:04:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <473B2AA1.3030305@post.cybercity.dk> Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 18:04:33 +0100 From: van Sinn Organization: van Sinn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: computers suck creative energy References: <181135.18006.qm@web38409.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <473B260E.8020901@post.cybercity.dk> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76404 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 17:04:41 +0000 (UTC) Travis Hartnett wrote: > 10+ years ago, Brian Eno talked about how he was thinking of banning > computers from his studio work environment, since they invariably > introduced a bunch of downtime in the form of the engineer saying "Oh, > wait, that's not right, hold on a minute while I...." and ten minutes > of mouse twiddling ensued, during which time the musicians lost focus > and would wander off to the video games in the lounge. Did analog > studios have technical problems? Sure, but he felt that computers had > introduced an unacceptable increase in the ratio of up versus down > time. Well, that was 10 yrs ago; both hardware and software has come a long way since then, but I get your (and Eno's) drift.. I also wonder how the studio productivity throughput pressure was in those days compared to now. I mean, using analog and/or individually programmable digital devices than maight not allow reusable settings, thus requiring more manual labour. Of cause, if an engineer really knows the setups and have less glitches, it all may be faster working this way. Still, longing for ye olde days won't work much; technology moves on, or at least gets pushed over our heads ;) Wonder what Aldoux Huxley would've said about todays music tools, had he still lived and been a musician.. > On Nov 14, 2007 8:45 AM, van Sinn wrote: > >>Elmer Fuddski wrote: > > >>>Just want I want to do in my spare time after doing similar at work all >>>day. Think I'll stay with the hardware looping route. -- rgds, van Sinn From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 14 17:17:42 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7FBA03BFE8; Wed, 14 Nov 2007 17:17:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=fxIeKFHxBsm0nikcJI+0/2tYGCg35QKrg7AxKmbiMlHFZvCi0dpmjFlNoORg3PuYRlEAbzTSld9hXG1eUU0YbmmkjNd9SQnJVBB3fZJSNEysZGiXACTX86xPWBXo+Y86bfxKOY39D1gpBz7YjsPBIXJ6zkZH61iPrO6FBak6OSI=; X-YMail-OSG: FUgIwW0VM1lJt0vIwilFWEDkVYYNGs5gf1diJ82jLNacb6q4Xbhr5L8wSsHj5JjKaCcIifnehccfoo8llKNc2x7rmG1RjcEmoSad8Ygl.USvv7NYKO0- Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 09:17:41 -0800 (PST) From: Paul Richards Subject: Re: computers suck creative energy To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <473B2AA1.3030305@post.cybercity.dk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-553437958-1195060661=:9999" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <86783.9999.qm@web35110.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76405 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 17:17:42 +0000 (UTC) --0-553437958-1195060661=:9999 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In any case, I still find, when using PC-based environments for music creation ( e.g. Reason, Cubase, et al), more time wasted messing around with locating functions, performing tweaks, etc. Don't get me wrong, I like my PC for certain applications, but when I start fiddling with technical crapola, my muse departs. My ideal is having my looping rig setup and ready to go so with a few power on sequences for hardware-based music tools, I can start playing/recording. 'ski van Sinn wrote: Travis Hartnett wrote: > 10+ years ago, Brian Eno talked about how he was thinking of banning > computers from his studio work environment, since they invariably > introduced a bunch of downtime in the form of the engineer saying "Oh, > wait, that's not right, hold on a minute while I...." and ten minutes > of mouse twiddling ensued, during which time the musicians lost focus > and would wander off to the video games in the lounge. Did analog > studios have technical problems? Sure, but he felt that computers had > introduced an unacceptable increase in the ratio of up versus down > time. Well, that was 10 yrs ago; both hardware and software has come a long way since then, but I get your (and Eno's) drift.. I also wonder how the studio productivity throughput pressure was in those days compared to now. I mean, using analog and/or individually programmable digital devices than maight not allow reusable settings, thus requiring more manual labour. Of cause, if an engineer really knows the setups and have less glitches, it all may be faster working this way. Still, longing for ye olde days won't work much; technology moves on, or at least gets pushed over our heads ;) Wonder what Aldoux Huxley would've said about todays music tools, had he still lived and been a musician.. > On Nov 14, 2007 8:45 AM, van Sinn wrote: > >>Elmer Fuddski wrote: > > >>>Just want I want to do in my spare time after doing similar at work all >>>day. Think I'll stay with the hardware looping route. -- rgds, van Sinn --------------------------------- Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. --0-553437958-1195060661=:9999 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
        In any case, I still find, when using PC-based environments for music creation ( e.g. Reason, Cubase, et al), more time wasted messing around with locating functions, performing tweaks, etc. Don't get me wrong, I like my PC for certain applications, but when I start fiddling with technical crapola, my muse departs.
         
        My ideal is having my looping rig setup and ready to go so with a few power on sequences for hardware-based music tools, I can start playing/recording.
         
        'ski

        van Sinn <vansinn@post.cybercity.dk> wrote:
        Travis Hartnett wrote:
        > 10+ years ago, Brian Eno talked about how he was thinking of banning
        > computers from his studio work environment, since they invariably
        > introduced a bunch of downtime in the form of the engineer saying "Oh,
        > wait, that's not right, hold on a minute while I...." and ten minutes
        > of mouse twiddling ensued, during which time the musicians lost focus
        > and would wander off to the video games in the lounge. Did analog
        > studios have technical problems? Sure, but he felt that computers had
        > introduced an unacceptable increase in the ratio of up versus down
        > time.

        Well, that was 10 yrs ago; both hardware and software has come a long
        way since then, but I get your (and Eno's) drift..

        I also wonder how the studio productivity throughput pressure was in
        those days compared to now. I mean, using analog and/or individually
        programmable digital devices than maight not allow reusable settings,
        thus requiring more manual labour.
        Of cause, if an engineer really knows the setups and have less glitches,
        it all may be faster working this way.

        Still, longing for ye olde days won't work much; technology moves on, or
        at least gets pushed over our heads ;)

        Wonder what Aldoux Huxley would've said about todays music tools, had he
        still lived and been a musician..


        > On Nov 14, 2007 8:45 AM, van Sinn wrote:
        >
        >>Elmer Fuddski wrote:
        >
        >
        >>>Just want I want to do in my spare time after doing similar at work all
        >>>day. Think I'll stay with the hardware looping route.


        --
        rgds,
        van Sinn


        Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. --0-553437958-1195060661=:9999-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 14 17:42:27 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 36FE03BFDA; Wed, 14 Nov 2007 17:42:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <20071114114223.t6ckosxc8408888c@69.89.21.76> Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 11:42:23 -0600 From: kkissinger@kevinkissinger.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: computers suck creative energy References: <86783.9999.qm@web35110.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <86783.9999.qm@web35110.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.3) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - box76.bluehost.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - kevinkissinger.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76406 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 17:42:27 +0000 (UTC) Quoting Paul Richards : > In any case, I still find, when using PC-based environments for =20 > music creation ( e.g. Reason, Cubase, et al), more time wasted =20 > messing around with locating functions, performing tweaks, etc. =20 > Don't get me wrong, I like my PC for certain applications, but when =20 > I start fiddling with technical crapola, my muse departs. > One of the differences between computers and dedicated equipment is =20 that dedicated equipment is more intuitive. When one is struggling =20 with complex signal routings, levels, and automation in an environment =20 such as Cubase, one can easily feel like one's creativity is being =20 sucked out of them. To avoid such feelings, I approach a new piece of software by doing my =20 own personal learning/study sessions. My goal is NOT to make music =20 but, rather, to learn the environment. To master a package such as =20 Cubase takes a lot of time and there are many functions in Cubase that =20 I haven't even explored. My approach is to learn enough that I can do =20 basic i/o and processing and then to master particular functions =20 one-by-one. When I decide to make music, I think utilize the functions that I have =20 learned and nothing else! It is easy to go off on unproductive =20 tangents. What sucks the creativity out of me is when things don't work. =20 However, things do happen from time to time -- particularly in a =20 complex environment. When something stops working, I will make a note =20 of it and deal with it later (if the non-working thing isn't a =20 show-stopper). If a critical item fails, then I consciously remove my =20 musician cap and put on my troubleshooter cap. Having said this, my entire equipment collection has many "single =20 points of failure". If my theremin won't play, or computer won't run, =20 or my mouse driver quits working, or my firewire cable develops a flaw =20 -- the list goes on and on -- I would have to scrub my prepared music =20 and improvise something quickly! I have a detailed backup strategy for all my files. My goal is to =20 eventually have my Cubase data files and other needed files on a =20 server so that, in a worst-case scenario, I could rebuild my system =20 from anywhere. What I am saying is that I am aware that complex equipment -- =20 computers or otherwise, can take a musician on a tangent far away from =20 creative music-making. Since I work with complex equipment, I am =20 constantly on guard to avoid such creativity-sucking tangents. -- Kevin From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 14 17:50:44 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E287B3BFED; Wed, 14 Nov 2007 17:50:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <2b2401c826e6$dea24850$4001a8c0@pcfabio> Reply-To: "e t e r o g e n e o" From: "e t e r o g e n e o" To: References: <514146.16989.qm@web26215.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Re. Y2K6 on GUITAR PLAYER TV Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 18:50:39 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-Spam-Rating: smtp5.aruba.it 1.6.2 0/1000/N Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76407 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 17:50:43 +0000 (UTC) COOL ! fabio www.eterogeneo.com > --- Rick Walker skrev: > >> This may be old hat to everyone, but I just >> discovered that >> the y2k6 loopfest is on Guitar Player TV currently. >> >> >> Go to http://www.guitarplayertv.com/ >> >> navigate to >> >> CONCERT HALL >> >> and then there are five clips including some >> wonderful >> guitar performances by our own Bill Walker, Ted >> Killian, Carl Weingarten, >> Genie, Darin Shaeffer, Barry Cleveland, Krispen >> Hartung and >> then some appearances by yours truly and Amy X >> Neuburg. >> >> In addition there is an interview with Kim Flint >> about Loopers Delight >> and one with me about the festival itself (recorded >> in the sweaty >> 24th wonderful and exhausting hour of the festival). >> >> This is sooooooo damned cool. I loved the >> interview with Kim! >> >> check it out. >> >> yours, Rick Walker >> >> ps really special, special thanks to Barry >> Cleveland for really >> supporting our looping community and selling this >> idea to the >> editors of GP!!!! It's meant a lot and it looks >> fantastic on >> everyone's resumes and rvs. >> >> >> > > > > _________________________________________________________ > Alt i ett. Få Yahoo! Mail med adressekartotek, kalender og > notisblokk. http://no.mail.yahoo.com > > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.15.31/1129 - Release Date: > 13/11/2007 21.22 > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 14 17:52:37 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2EF1D3BFF7; Wed, 14 Nov 2007 17:52:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <2b2501c826e7$23a780a0$4001a8c0@pcfabio> Reply-To: "e t e r o g e n e o" From: "e t e r o g e n e o" To: References: <181135.18006.qm@web38409.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <473B260E.8020901@post.cybercity.dk> Subject: Re: computers suck creative energy Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 18:52:35 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-Spam-Rating: smtp3.aruba.it 1.6.2 0/1000/N Resent-Message-ID: <8wBIcB.A.fBC.kXzOHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76408 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 17:52:37 +0000 (UTC) 10 + years ago.... But, apart what he says.... Eno has always work with computers (also) ... Did you know the generative software he has used, called KOAN ? It's very complicated ! A lot of time tolearn how it works and a lot of time to build your set-up..... But Eno (of whom i'm a sincere fan from a long time) "IS" into business...So all that time spent to learn and work with a new software is compensate ....in some way (by Koan and by the fact that it was the "inventor" of the generative music). By the way, I'm really interesting to know what hw and sf he's using today... Surely softwares spread a lot of new possibilities and every day ther's something new, an upgrade, a new plugin a patch that "surely" is usefull. But the first and final question is: what do i need to make the music i want to create ? Let me say my personal experience about this. I didnt' buy a new keyboards from 10 years or so. I preferred to work on my own sounds, totally reprogramming those i "really" use (no those one that are cool, but doesn't integrate with my music) and i don't feel like i'm missing something... I have just buy a (easy usable) Kaoss Pad II for processing the sound before the loop. After a year or so using Mobius on my PC and on a Macbook, I can say that i feel good. I started with a basic set-up, adding "step by step" new midi commands or scripts that i "really" find usefull. Apart the first latency troubles i've never had serious problems that took me a lot of time to spent to work to. For a little time, i've run Mobius as a VST in Energy and...surely...it opens new possibilities (as Bidule, Usine or Audiomulch), but at a certain time i had turn to ask myself: "do you really need this VST host, with a lot of (cool) new possibilities". The answer is: no ! The machine is just a medium, and i prefer to spent my time concentrating to the music flux... At the present (as it was at the Y2K7) i have just to power on my gear (keyboard, KPII, FCB1010 and the laptop) and simply play music. Do i miss something ? fabio www.eterogeneo.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Travis Hartnett" To: Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2007 5:49 PM Subject: Re: computers suck creative energy > 10+ years ago, Brian Eno talked about how he was thinking of banning > computers from his studio work environment, since they invariably > introduced a bunch of downtime in the form of the engineer saying "Oh, > wait, that's not right, hold on a minute while I...." and ten minutes > of mouse twiddling ensued, during which time the musicians lost focus > and would wander off to the video games in the lounge. Did analog > studios have technical problems? Sure, but he felt that computers had > introduced an unacceptable increase in the ratio of up versus down > time. > > TH > > On Nov 14, 2007 8:45 AM, van Sinn wrote: >> Elmer Fuddski wrote: > >> > Just want I want to do in my spare time after doing similar at work all >> > day. Think I'll stay with the hardware looping route. > > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.15.31/1129 - Release Date: > 13/11/2007 21.22 > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 14 17:57:59 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2860E3BFF6; Wed, 14 Nov 2007 17:57:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 1249 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Wed, 14 Nov 2007 17:57:58 UTC DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=L7ga2LEiMFrjTSZTJFUNlnZqi54BAefL2jDQPPZ+afc=; b=INOT/hqbb92l4BarMEf2GuysRMJuxjnSO9zLgyK5LfmyKHHjBBQBXTKZCeZNkYEjMTOO7Bl+5TER4a2t/YJRbsNOEBkxpnnR7VekeE9caqOKVtcJnyRyKzuJkBzQJfafDZESfL+gPp86HeH00ikhw2XEXD06D7q/pKDVYqw1sYE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=abFf9HUs6IIe0Q3fyXqiCKt97HPAmwyJYrSrddozuvLm6XYFtFoavMHh2B6TIhkieGmls7fc+8NV52BJRqBZl4GG8Is5oyRUOl1vSxUExPTYxGAmnNG+pT47wjO6qBPuxcJdl1B03j+mBS3HE9H17hnZiCxBEOETflHYtLdCHq0= Message-ID: Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 12:30:08 -0500 From: "radio radio" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: computers suck creative energy In-Reply-To: <86783.9999.qm@web35110.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_2463_12723332.1195061408351" References: <473B2AA1.3030305@post.cybercity.dk> <86783.9999.qm@web35110.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: <23ORt.A.IRC.mczOHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76409 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 17:57:58 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_2463_12723332.1195061408351 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline I thought I was the only one (at least, the only one on this list) who has one brain that uses computers and another that plays music. I think that over time computers and more importantly people using them will adapt and using a computer for music will be similar to using a cello for music (and I think a lot of people on this list may already be there), but for me, I'll always have a strong association that goes something like "computer = email = work = pain in the ass." Eben On 11/14/07, Paul Richards wrote: > > In any case, I still find, when using PC-based environments for music > creation ( e.g. Reason, Cubase, et al), more time wasted messing around > with locating functions, performing tweaks, etc. Don't get me wrong, I like > my PC for certain applications, but when I start fiddling with technical > crapola, my muse departs. > > My ideal is having my looping rig setup and ready to go so with a few > power on sequences for hardware-based music tools, I can start > playing/recording. > > 'ski > > *van Sinn * wrote: > > Travis Hartnett wrote: > > 10+ years ago, Brian Eno talked about how he was thinking of banning > > computers from his studio work environment, since they invariably > > introduced a bunch of downtime in the form of the engineer saying "Oh, > > wait, that's not right, hold on a minute while I...." and ten minutes > > of mouse twiddling ensued, during which time the musicians lost focus > > and would wander off to the video games in the lounge. Did analog > > studios have technical problems? Sure, but he felt that computers had > > introduced an unacceptable increase in the ratio of up versus down > > time. > > Well, that was 10 yrs ago; both hardware and software has come a long > way since then, but I get your (and Eno's) drift.. > > I also wonder how the studio productivity throughput pressure was in > those days compared to now. I mean, using analog and/or individually > programmable digital devices than maight not allow reusable settings, > thus requiring more manual labour. > Of cause, if an engineer really knows the setups and have less glitches, > it all may be faster working this way. > > Still, longing for ye olde days won't work much; technology moves on, or > at least gets pushed over our heads ;) > > Wonder what Aldoux Huxley would've said about todays music tools, had he > still lived and been a musician.. > > > > On Nov 14, 2007 8:45 AM, van Sinn wrote: > > > >>Elmer Fuddski wrote: > > > > > >>>Just want I want to do in my spare time after doing similar at work all > >>>day. Think I'll stay with the hardware looping route. > > > -- > rgds, > van Sinn > > > ------------------------------ > Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. > > ------=_Part_2463_12723332.1195061408351 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline
        I thought I was the only one (at least, the only one on this list) who has one brain that uses computers and another that plays music. I think that over time computers and more importantly people using them will adapt and using a computer for music will be similar to using a cello for music (and I think a lot of people on this list may already be there), but for me, I'll always have a strong association that goes something like "computer = email = work = pain in the ass."

        Eben
         
        On 11/14/07, Paul Richards <paulrichard_rocks@yahoo.com> wrote:
        In any case, I still find, when using PC-based environments for music creation ( e.g. Reason, Cubase, et al), more time wasted messing around with locating functions, performing tweaks, etc. Don't get me wrong, I like my PC for certain applications, but when I start fiddling with technical crapola, my muse departs.
         
        My ideal is having my looping rig setup and ready to go so with a few power on sequences for hardware-based music tools, I can start playing/recording.
         
        'ski

        van Sinn <vansinn@post.cybercity.dk> wrote:
        Travis Hartnett wrote:
        > 10+ years ago, Brian Eno talked about how he was thinking of banning
        > computers from his studio work environment, since they invariably
        > introduced a bunch of downtime in the form of the engineer saying "Oh,
        > wait, that's not right, hold on a minute while I...." and ten minutes
        > of mouse twiddling ensued, during which time the musicians lost focus
        > and would wander off to the video games in the lounge. Did analog
        > studios have technical problems? Sure, but he felt that computers had
        > introduced an unacceptable increase in the ratio of up versus down
        > time.

        Well, that was 10 yrs ago; both hardware and software has come a long
        way since then, but I get your (and Eno's) drift..

        I also wonder how the studio productivity throughput pressure was in
        those days compared to now. I mean, using analog and/or individually
        programmable digital devices than maight not allow reusable settings,
        thus requiring more manual labour.
        Of cause, if an engineer really knows the setups and have less glitches,
        it all may be faster working this way.

        Still, longing for ye olde days won't work much; technology moves on, or
        at least gets pushed over our heads ;)

        Wonder what Aldoux Huxley would've said about todays music tools, had he
        still lived and been a musician..


        > On Nov 14, 2007 8:45 AM, van Sinn wrote:
        >
        >>Elmer Fuddski wrote:
        >
        >
        >>>Just want I want to do in my spare time after doing similar at work all
        >>>day. Think I'll stay with the hardware looping route.


        --
        rgds,
        van Sinn


        Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage.


        ------=_Part_2463_12723332.1195061408351-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 14 18:32:14 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4B7783BFE5; Wed, 14 Nov 2007 18:32:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20071114114223.t6ckosxc8408888c@69.89.21.76> References: <86783.9999.qm@web35110.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <20071114114223.t6ckosxc8408888c@69.89.21.76> Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 12:32:09 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Mech Subject: Re: computers suck creative energy Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76410 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 18:32:14 +0000 (UTC) At 11:42 AM -0600 11/14/07, kkissinger@kevinkissinger.com wrote: > >One of the differences between computers and dedicated equipment is >that dedicated equipment is more intuitive. When one is struggling >with complex signal routings, levels, and automation in an >environment such as Cubase, one can easily feel like one's >creativity is being sucked out of them. > >To avoid such feelings, I approach a new piece of software by doing >my own personal learning/study sessions. My goal is NOT to make >music but, rather, to learn the environment. To master a package >such as Cubase takes a lot of time and there are many functions in >Cubase that I haven't even explored. My approach is to learn enough >that I can do basic i/o and processing and then to master particular >functions one-by-one. Kevin, One of the points that your (and Fabio's later) post brings up is that we each seem to be juggling two minds here. No, I'm not referring specifically the hardware vs. software debate either. Rather, what we are juggling here are the roles of "instrument performer" vs. "instrument builder". Looking back at a hundred years there was still a differentiation of roles here. A violin player, for instance, could tell if an instrument played well or if it had ringing/dead notes where the natural resonating frequencies caused problems. But he was usually ill-equipped to fix or build a new instrument. On the other hand, luthiers specialized in crafting wonderful-sounding instruments but, while usually having very good playing skills, would probably laugh themselves silly if you asked them to play a Kreisler arrangement onstage. Today, we have the tools at hand to build wonderful instruments. I would contend that an "instrument" is not just the strict definition of sole musical device -- like a guitar or saxophone -- but every single device in the chain between our physical bodies and the acoustic vibrations in the air. Even outside of modern technology today, we have guitarists who are obsessed with "tone" -- finding the perfect instrument, the perfect amp, the perfect distortion pedal, etc., etc., etc. This has much more to do with instrument building than instrument performing. And shall we even mention the intricacies of CD mastering, and such recording arts? Modern technology has now made us all builders as well as musicians. The point is, I think we would have much less heartburn if we could recognize and acknowledge the time spent building an instrument, as opposed to the time playing and mastering that instrument. Most of the complaints I hear are related to unexpectedly spending time in one area (usually building/debugging) when our expectation was that we were going to be engaged in the other area (playing). If we can get used to compartmentalizing those roles into their chosen times, I think we could be much happier overall. That means dedicating scheduled time to building and tweeking all the bugs out of a setup until it works just how it's supposed to. Then WALK AWAY AND LEAVE IT ALONE. Later, come back and work on mastering making good music on that setup. If something goes wrong, make a note but leave it until the next build slot comes up. Of course, that's not a perfect solution. But I think we need to each make a mental distinction: "Today, I am building an instrument", or "Today, I am gaining mastery of my music." Otherwise, the whole hardware vs. software debate merely becomes a smokescreen to hide the real problems. --m. -- _____ "the wind in my heart; the dust in my head...." From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 14 19:45:26 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6309D3BFCD; Wed, 14 Nov 2007 19:45:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 11:45:23 -0800 From: Chris Sewell To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-ID: <7294E830-0116-1000-C69E-4A2067E5C89B-Webmail-10009@mac.com> in-reply-to: <473B2AA1.3030305@post.cybercity.dk> references: <181135.18006.qm@web38409.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <473B260E.8020901@post.cybercity.dk> <473B2AA1.3030305@post.cybercity.dk> Subject: Re: computers suck (like a fox) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 67.186.176.29 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76411 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 19:45:26 +0000 (UTC) So am I to assume (in regards to looping) that the EDP always works flawlessly, The RC 50 syncs well, the Boomerang is quiet enough, The Jam Man has enough memory, Electrix answers email etc etc. Of course everyone has their preferences, but speaking for myself, my Laptop rig is light years ahead of anything I imagined 5 years ago. Steeper learning curve for sure, but the payoffs or magnificent. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 14 19:52:07 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 553A53BFD4; Wed, 14 Nov 2007 19:52:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: OT;producing a cd? Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 20:52:03 +0100 Message-ID: <200711141952.lAEJq50S010013@hermes.ramstein.af.mil> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: OT;producing a cd? Thread-Index: Acgm99Q5UOux/qznSZ+4m2GEtxmRvw== From: "Moore, David W Civ 86 MXS/MXMTA" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Nov 2007 19:52:04.0835 (UTC) FILETIME=[D4C27330:01C826F7] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76412 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 19:52:07 +0000 (UTC) Hey everyone! >From what I've seen, there are a LOT of established and beginning artists here with CD's produced by different labels. I am planning on making a CD of my own (ambient/loopy/noise stuff). I have done a little research into getting it done myself, but my big question is..how do I go about getting a label to produce one for me? I am assuming it is a lot less money?=20 Do I send samples? Any recommendations on labels? Thanx, david moore transient alert 86 mxs/mxmta 480-2061/5378 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 14 20:18:27 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E968C3BFD7; Wed, 14 Nov 2007 20:18:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 21:18:23 +0100 Message-Id: Subject: Re: TC Electronic D-two: how to emulate an analog delay? MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Sensitivity: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: "Sjaak" To: "Loopers-Delight" X-XaM3-API-Version: 4.1 (B54) X-type: 0 X-SenderIP: 81.83.41.16 X-DCC-scarlet.be-Metrics: elist Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76413 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 20:18:26 +0000 (UTC) > Per Boysen wrote: > If you are stuck in that > "Single Super Patch Limbo" you really need someone to show you the > laws of blending different sound sources - you won't find out > just by accident. Experienced musicians, music engineers and producers = > develop a kind of "imaginative multi layered hearing" with time that > lets them hear a single sound as "what it is lacking"; i.e. what > areas that particular sound will leave open in the mix for > some other sound to occupy. Yep. I don't consider myself as a pro, but I know what you mean. These da= ys, the dynamics and textures an average synth or FX module can produce i= s amazing. Less is often more. It's an art to have total control over you= mix, especially when playing a live band. Regarding the analog delay sou= nd, I often use it as a wall paper sound in the back with a clear guitar = or flute sound on top of it; works very well that way. Btw: I believe you use a Fireworx. Do you think it still is good value fo= r the money for a device designed 10 years ago, 1998?=0A---=0AScarlet One= , ADSL 6 Mbps + Telefonie, vanaf EUR 29,95...=0Ahttp://www.scarlet.be/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 14 20:32:01 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E3B623BFD5; Wed, 14 Nov 2007 20:32:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 21:31:52 +0100 Message-Id: Subject: Re:TC Electronic D-two: how to emulate an analog delay? MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Sensitivity: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: "Sjaak" To: "Loopers-Delight" X-XaM3-API-Version: 4.1 (B54) X-type: 0 X-SenderIP: 81.83.41.16 X-DCC-scarlet.be-Metrics: elist Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76414 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 20:32:00 +0000 (UTC) > L.A. Angulo wrote: > hey Sjaak, > I am doing the same thing, putting everything in a > rack to have more floor space and less setup time,the > delays from the DL4 and DD-20 is something i am trying > to replace as well. Thanks. yep, 19", good sound, durable and midi controlable is the way to = go ;) It's makes a live setup so much easier if the 19" rack with all the= cabling is pre-wired and reliable. Btw: Ian also mentioned the Line6 Echo Pro, a 19" DL4+. I'm especially lo= oking for delay's with filter and modulation parameters to create experim= ental sounds. Most 19" unit's with delay's are for guitar players and hav= e modelled preamp's and distortion modules I'm probably not going to use = as a synth player; so these migth be a little over kill. =0A---=0AScarlet= One, ADSL 6 Mbps + Telefonie, vanaf EUR 29,95...=0Ahttp://www.scarlet.be= / From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 14 20:36:13 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A034D3BFDB; Wed, 14 Nov 2007 20:36:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; bh=+RBhZvi9ijTboEmmay1C1JNt33LJHZU0F9nq6UIViYI=; b=IRJaj68uMNALFaCrqOGSvn1R44gusIKeT5rhtQk/61nkws4SOiGw2uK40CFEbwXA/Ec8P4T7vzu1GCafa6YFJC5hTGo9ZU0PD2/e2zk3ZZhUhA35LBx1O3Xq06rZsNqPg2c5dzVAZJrE4nlJCypXnMIN9k4i+N4GPqC7VJDTYXQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=MdnOOYhMWB0DcGo1dclrfOudNqyF2dHu8Ijh4fV38Wujubh0n2LfqNXJSKcA91Kc6/59QYXQIHN9qaIQ3QzfKd7M+DmRxqkMN4y4I/OqKm5gXyF1h/4emyy+6AUKdjN7cPbeiy6iSIYLXeuJ9dopUrk7BeSHpIaP2OQ3PXIAUYA= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <6C8E1823-1BB8-4081-B4AC-AC7C14240F7E@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: TC Electronic D-two: how to emulate an analog delay? Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 21:36:07 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: <0IAv9.A.xj.9w1OHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76415 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 20:36:13 +0000 (UTC) On 14 nov 2007, at 21.18, Sjaak wrote: > Btw: I believe you use a Fireworx. Do you think it still is good > value for the money for a device designed 10 years ago, 1998? Yes, I think they are very good value for the money. That is, if you buy one second hand. Sadly, I had to sell mine back in june, to afford replacing a broken sound card for an important concert, but as soon as I get some money back in I will look for a Fwx again. For what the Fireworx is, nothing has actually happened since 1998. A good bunch of easily routable effect modules are still a damn good bunch of easily routable effect units. For a couple of months now I have used an all laptop rig for effects and looping and although I managed to set up most of the processing from my Fireworx there are some things that isn't possible in software. I also liked to jam with only the Firworx without looping, just syncing it and messing around with counter tempi and effect patches of really long duration. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://www.youtube.com/pellibox (gritty) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 14 20:45:16 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3B6F73BFE2; Wed, 14 Nov 2007 20:45:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=Ip6XNK78YhpJ1YYsb4omMdzaDJuVV+rUs3OmXtOh81rMnRtETBdzmmBpyOlzHIhc12QEFJmKYnIIM/5LWRWN3xoQL3HqKp4+X2Fi9dGtWAlhnQnmjSkr1iHK8f5LAETTNDkepMIDEAeBfOHVMhC0/TyeDBvGnfVVDB+r4qFj4Ns=; X-YMail-OSG: wn3tXeQVM1nJNar4SA9h4xi.YUVnw5cb.w9spwQNRnC0hwIANawkKJZMUCtRP6aj1QyoUiPhQnaK2Q2GovSe2HfAZHlKmvpz5UWCXiDWq32rJtJ5TuY- Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 12:45:14 -0800 (PST) From: Paul Richards Subject: Re: computers suck (like a fox) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <7294E830-0116-1000-C69E-4A2067E5C89B-Webmail-10009@mac.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1018967285-1195073114=:40554" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <906758.40554.qm@web35106.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: <-R_ZsC.A.-7.c51OHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76416 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 20:45:16 +0000 (UTC) --0-1018967285-1195073114=:40554 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit What about sound quality? I have a Tascam 428 (I believe) that I primarily use as a vehicle to get sound out of my PC. The quality isn't bad, but when I use certain interface tools like Line6's GuitarPort or playback reason files, the sound quality just seems a little off. I'm running my sound through a Mackie Onyx mixer, an Alesis RA-type amp and a pair of Event Audio studio monitors. The sound SHOULD be decent through such a rig but sound quality I obtain using devices that go directly into the mixer (not PC originated) seem to have much more clarity/depth/definition. If one is using a laptop with a PC-based looper and other plug-ins, how is the sound quality compared to standalone hardware? Paul Chris Sewell wrote: So am I to assume (in regards to looping) that the EDP always works flawlessly, The RC 50 syncs well, the Boomerang is quiet enough, The Jam Man has enough memory, Electrix answers email etc etc. Of course everyone has their preferences, but speaking for myself, my Laptop rig is light years ahead of anything I imagined 5 years ago. Steeper learning curve for sure, but the payoffs or magnificent. --------------------------------- Get easy, one-click access to your favorites. Make Yahoo! your homepage. --0-1018967285-1195073114=:40554 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
        What about sound quality? I have a Tascam 428 (I believe) that I primarily use as a vehicle to get sound out of my PC. The quality isn't bad, but when I use certain interface tools like Line6's GuitarPort or playback reason files, the sound quality just seems a little off. I'm running my sound through a Mackie Onyx mixer, an Alesis RA-type amp and a pair of Event Audio studio monitors. The sound SHOULD be decent through such a rig but sound quality I obtain using devices that go directly into the mixer (not PC originated) seem to have much more clarity/depth/definition.
         
        If one is using a laptop with a PC-based looper and other plug-ins, how is the sound quality compared to standalone hardware?
         
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        Chris Sewell <lunamusic@mac.com> wrote:
        So am I to assume (in regards to looping) that the EDP always works flawlessly, The RC 50 syncs well, the Boomerang is quiet enough, The Jam Man has enough memory, Electrix answers email etc etc. Of course everyone has their preferences, but speaking for myself, my Laptop rig is light years ahead of anything I imagined 5 years ago. Steeper learning curve for sure, but the payoffs or magnificent.


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         ULMQFOJCXTPQLGHKYCIMRKGPMYVKYSTDKCIEVQ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 14 21:44:15 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 022EC3BFDC; Wed, 14 Nov 2007 21:44:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <30762.167.83.10.20.1195076638.squirrel@www.michaelplishka.com> In-Reply-To: <6C8E1823-1BB8-4081-B4AC-AC7C14240F7E@gmail.com> References: <6C8E1823-1BB8-4081-B4AC-AC7C14240F7E@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 16:43:58 -0500 (EST) Subject: Male to Female Voice From: mike@michaelplishka.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.9a MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - server316.tchmachines.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [32166 32167] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - michaelplishka.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76417 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 21:44:14 +0000 (UTC) Any cool cheap plugins out there that can change a male voice to female for singing purposes? Thanks! ~Peace~ Plish From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 14 21:57:40 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3E0C23BFE1; Wed, 14 Nov 2007 21:57:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Ninja-PIM: Scanned by Ninja X-Ninja-AttachmentFiltering: (no action) From: Jeff Larson To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 15:57:44 -0600 Subject: RE: Male to Female Voice Thread-Topic: Male to Female Voice Thread-Index: AcgnB4HutMFXzQ1uQMSqM/VAEcxdbgAAa7CQ Message-ID: <7872203368197C4691224688958BE71410AE006DCB@barq.sailpoint.com> References: <6C8E1823-1BB8-4081-B4AC-AC7C14240F7E@gmail.com> <30762.167.83.10.20.1195076638.squirrel@www.michaelplishka.com> In-Reply-To: <30762.167.83.10.20.1195076638.squirrel@www.michaelplishka.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US acceptlanguage: en-US Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76418 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 21:57:40 +0000 (UTC) > Any cool cheap plugins out there that can change a male voice to female > for singing purposes? This might do it: http://www.cylindercentral.com/helium.html Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 14 22:03:08 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3BA463BFEB; Wed, 14 Nov 2007 22:03:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <092301c8270a$22a05bf0$7db0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <6C8E1823-1BB8-4081-B4AC-AC7C14240F7E@gmail.com> <30762.167.83.10.20.1195076638.squirrel@www.michaelplishka.com> Subject: Re: Male to Female Voice Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 15:03:04 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76419 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 22:03:08 +0000 (UTC) Yes, it's called falsetto. :) It's so cheap, it doesn't even require a computer. > Any cool cheap plugins out there that can change a male voice to female > for singing purposes? > > Thanks! > > ~Peace~ > > Plish > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 14 22:09:14 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CB3833BFE3; Wed, 14 Nov 2007 22:09:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=Lp8JiZYVcd2ZKgiDAQ0puXDka0glfurRn7AHqGPm0GI=; b=c3MwuyTICtY8DOCKAVR3pcIEb9eoUiJQfR6XJnmIrjmq3GKxsbvBxdeHq/QPW/Cwa4LkpQQ5R/E5m1hzi6TOEN7I/mNTLJ6cnW8YuIs4U5JU/zu1jXgeQmmldfNJ+Yioj78z2b2172ZRGgQjZZQ+yjIC8ZA0muBppI0lN4M9IM4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=TlcLixg5suwoNjoaL0blbFiEvk3PHVtAzdUxCpATVG6mhN1bOqpsGbwEuR/z1zJe7zCZwPOGmbBMtrOVjqeQytezrTA24sBd5OzY7IBvS4TGrv1tmNmBziIVudA5NW8V0IFf8Xklo64gYXN6rXsJ8iqMnr6RTKAGHAcFpT8tVMw= Message-ID: Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 17:02:40 -0500 From: "Tony K" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Male to Female Voice In-Reply-To: <30762.167.83.10.20.1195076638.squirrel@www.michaelplishka.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <6C8E1823-1BB8-4081-B4AC-AC7C14240F7E@gmail.com> <30762.167.83.10.20.1195076638.squirrel@www.michaelplishka.com> Resent-Message-ID: <_QrNi.A.qJE.KI3OHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76420 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 22:09:14 +0000 (UTC) VoiceTweaker http://www.xponaut.se/showpage?pid=91 $99, not too bad. Tony On Nov 14, 2007 4:43 PM, wrote: > Any cool cheap plugins out there that can change a male voice to female > for singing purposes? > > Thanks! > > ~Peace~ > > Plish > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 14 22:19:57 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 168BF3BFEE; Wed, 14 Nov 2007 22:19:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <13182.167.83.10.20.1195078785.squirrel@www.michaelplishka.com> In-Reply-To: <092301c8270a$22a05bf0$7db0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> References: <6C8E1823-1BB8-4081-B4AC-AC7C14240F7E@gmail.com> <30762.167.83.10.20.1195076638.squirrel@www.michaelplishka.com> <092301c8270a$22a05bf0$7db0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 17:19:45 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: Male to Female Voice From: mike@michaelplishka.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.9a MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - server316.tchmachines.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [32166 32167] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - michaelplishka.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76421 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 22:19:56 +0000 (UTC) Ha!! :-D It's hard to get good emotion and sounds that are more jazz and gravelly and yet female with a falsetto;-) I appreciate your frugalness. ;-) M > Yes, it's called falsetto. :) It's so cheap, it doesn't even require a > computer. > >> Any cool cheap plugins out there that can change a male voice to female >> for singing purposes? >> >> Thanks! >> >> ~Peace~ >> >> Plish >> > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 14 22:21:57 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EB1B83BFF1; Wed, 14 Nov 2007 22:21:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <18791.167.83.10.20.1195078906.squirrel@www.michaelplishka.com> In-Reply-To: <7872203368197C4691224688958BE71410AE006DCB@barq.sailpoint.com> References: <6C8E1823-1BB8-4081-B4AC-AC7C14240F7E@gmail.com> <30762.167.83.10.20.1195076638.squirrel@www.michaelplishka.com> <7872203368197C4691224688958BE71410AE006DCB@barq.sailpoint.com> Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 17:21:46 -0500 (EST) Subject: RE: Male to Female Voice From: mike@michaelplishka.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.9a MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - server316.tchmachines.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [32166 32167] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - michaelplishka.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76422 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 22:21:57 +0000 (UTC) Same prob with getting "emotion" as with the falsetto;-) > >> Any cool cheap plugins out there that can change a male voice to female >> for singing purposes? > > This might do it: > > http://www.cylindercentral.com/helium.html > > > Jeff > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 14 22:29:50 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 176133BFF0; Wed, 14 Nov 2007 22:29:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 14:29:47 -0800 From: Chris Sewell To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-ID: in-reply-to: <30762.167.83.10.20.1195076638.squirrel@www.michaelplishka.com> references: <6C8E1823-1BB8-4081-B4AC-AC7C14240F7E@gmail.com> <30762.167.83.10.20.1195076638.squirrel@www.michaelplishka.com> Subject: Re: Male to Female Voice MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 67.186.176.29 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76423 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 22:29:50 +0000 (UTC) How about a castrata plug in? Now That would be cool. On Wednesday, November 14, 2007, at 01:44PM, wrote: >Any cool cheap plugins out there that can change a male voice to female >for singing purposes? > >Thanks! > >~Peace~ > >Plish > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 14 22:35:19 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B32DA3BFF3; Wed, 14 Nov 2007 22:35:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <473B781E.7020308@post.cybercity.dk> Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 23:35:10 +0100 From: van Sinn Organization: van Sinn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: EHX 2880 Midi References: <70605B01-3AF2-4824-89BB-BE3D64F71163@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <70605B01-3AF2-4824-89BB-BE3D64F71163@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76424 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 22:35:19 +0000 (UTC) Ryan Adlaf wrote: > Anyone have any experience with the new 2880 Midi functionality > introduced in the the 1.5 firmware update? The " ...at least 300mS > between each button push message" comment in the docs is a little > confusing - can that be true?! > ~ > ryan Ryan, where on earth, ehm, on which wire, did you see any 2880 firmware? Sounds like you have some release notes on it too.. I'd be most interested in knowing, especially as the MIDI implementation par the manual is very basic at best, my hopes are out for more.. :w (damn different computer tools; I keep writing vi commands in my MUA) -- rgds, van Sinn From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 14 22:44:31 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6A9E53BFF8; Wed, 14 Nov 2007 22:44:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: <473AD825.6000308@post.cybercity.dk> References: <001b01c8245f$35160df0$1001a8c0@succubus> <025801c82476$04c96ef0$7db0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <47373375.7060200@post.cybercity.dk> <4737511F.806@post.cybercity.dk> <02cc01c824a0$61714680$7db0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <473AD825.6000308@post.cybercity.dk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: computers suck creative energy Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 19:44:16 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at atarde.com.br Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76425 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 22:44:31 +0000 (UTC) >> I actually tried this with a mini mac in the same box as the >> pedal and the audio interface, but failed, because the it has the >> video memory shared with the main memory which produces clicks. >> ** always buy computers with video cards that have physical memory >> on it (carefull, they try to cheat in specs!) ** > > Points taken! though I wonder which OS you used to have audible > clicks? on both OSX and XP then I moved the same setup to the MacBook Pro and it was fine - mostly ;-) > You do mention trying a Mac Mini, still with audiable clicks, which > is a Bit surpricing to me. I've been thinking of using such. > Rethinking.. > Actually, video is a problem, as most SFF computers use shared vid > mem. right... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 14 22:57:47 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EAB383BFF2; Wed, 14 Nov 2007 22:57:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=j/Gv+viuLzsy0XpHKndrNrddRgeYl9zqa58lXE5KpzE=; b=M0+f4wOXe04+0pYl11BjKUY9wV7KoB0ZM/X2UvL3i/g19tuV/KT5yFbCeyb8XxeRU9Hpp7OSTi4hRr3zF8trQlLfJXSGiOPdYoUi1nWwurs6/NMoWXoJQvohJexJJrmmCuq1rO977cSPfwr0X+V3cA3VyPTMFkOWDOhjDvDwETE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=Mhg/dDUhRyrKe1f8Dfk3o5tr5b32/Y6ZKE88eq2h2jLTgMmoIYEVYG9UYu0sJpb+VCSipWYw2HxpDTkyMlypRuGokqG3owqo/K1d+3wxH2w/EBZ0esShvOS/IqGLdZHvMMVNusAFeuR7hwqZ3c22m9wNCRXN+98JmJ/12Yqpbws= Message-ID: Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 14:57:44 -0800 From: "Travis Hartnett" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: EHX 2880 Midi In-Reply-To: <473B781E.7020308@post.cybercity.dk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <70605B01-3AF2-4824-89BB-BE3D64F71163@gmail.com> <473B781E.7020308@post.cybercity.dk> Resent-Message-ID: <57SdjB.A.NdG.q13OHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76426 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 22:57:46 +0000 (UTC) >From the LD archives a few months ago. I couldn't find any mention of the software on the EHX site itself: "Electro Harmonix offers a software upgrade for the 2880 Super Multitrack Looper. The new features of the software version 1.5 change the way a quantized recording ends and give the user midi control over the various functions of the machine by utilizing both midi control changes and midi program changes. The upgrade is easy to do via a compact flash card or usb connection to a computer. You can contact the very helpful Electro Harmonix team for the zip file that includes the software, the software upgrade instructions and the software upgrade notes. Electro Harmonix includes the original software in the zip file in case you want to restore it." On Nov 14, 2007 2:35 PM, van Sinn wrote: > > Ryan, where on earth, ehm, on which wire, did you see any 2880 firmware? > Sounds like you have some release notes on it too.. > I'd be most interested in knowing, especially as the MIDI implementation > par the manual is very basic at best, my hopes are out for more.. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 14 23:14:01 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4641B3BFEA; Wed, 14 Nov 2007 23:14:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <11949.167.83.10.20.1195082028.squirrel@www.michaelplishka.com> In-Reply-To: References: <6C8E1823-1BB8-4081-B4AC-AC7C14240F7E@gmail.com> <30762.167.83.10.20.1195076638.squirrel@www.michaelplishka.com> Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 18:13:48 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: Male to Female Voice From: mike@michaelplishka.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.9a MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - server316.tchmachines.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [32166 32167] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - michaelplishka.com Resent-Message-ID: <_6ShXB.A.qDH.4E4OHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76427 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 23:14:00 +0000 (UTC) We are such a wonderfully warped group.... :) > How about a castrata plug in? Now That would be cool. > > On Wednesday, November 14, 2007, at 01:44PM, > wrote: >>Any cool cheap plugins out there that can change a male voice to female >>for singing purposes? >> >>Thanks! >> >>~Peace~ >> >>Plish >> >> >> > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 14 23:20:17 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D10983BFFF; Wed, 14 Nov 2007 23:20:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <20071114172004.340vntvq8k0gc88s@69.89.21.76> Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 17:20:04 -0600 From: kkissinger@kevinkissinger.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, mike@michaelplishka.com Subject: Re: Male to Female Voice References: <6C8E1823-1BB8-4081-B4AC-AC7C14240F7E@gmail.com> <30762.167.83.10.20.1195076638.squirrel@www.michaelplishka.com> <11949.167.83.10.20.1195082028.squirrel@www.michaelplishka.com> In-Reply-To: <11949.167.83.10.20.1195082028.squirrel@www.michaelplishka.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.3) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - box76.bluehost.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - kevinkissinger.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76428 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 23:20:17 +0000 (UTC) Quoting mike@michaelplishka.com: > > We are such a wonderfully warped group.... > > :) >> How about a castrata plug in? Now That would be cool. >> Music minus two. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 14 23:54:46 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C99853BFF9; Wed, 14 Nov 2007 23:54:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Received:X-YMail-OSG:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:In-Reply-To:Thread-Index:X-MimeOLE; b=RXJL+0imjknmAjr7RDfscjinqAIVVfnIhE8REb6dpICWxgubbjTGoPQrsaGvMUTLzPthUlfvrxCo5aoliXHuIiK0lBLXOSkQK4GSJt1oecoVM8oAXbo+RHixOhY377N0fMtZn1hzj5RmVK+FvQh7dbdlCW93j0CLNNSyLa7LjWI= ; X-YMail-OSG: LWmwq8AVM1k9xrCie3iun1vg9fv7wfXYIhqwx0rkwHkWonrzAmjKVRpgt0YAd6rSmoqr88nXIQ-- From: "murkie" To: Subject: RE: EHX 2880 Midi Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 18:54:39 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 In-Reply-To: Thread-Index: AcgnEchkG/MDJQgFRdikbs0bHzBXmwAB9PUg X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Message-Id: <20071114235444.26F863BFEC@arsenic.violacea.com> Resent-Message-ID: <74zihB.A.4d.Gr4OHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76429 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 23:54:46 +0000 (UTC) email EH. they will email the zip to you. m -----Original Message----- From: Travis Hartnett [mailto:travishartnett@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2007 5:58 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: EHX 2880 Midi >From the LD archives a few months ago. I couldn't find any mention of the software on the EHX site itself: "Electro Harmonix offers a software upgrade for the 2880 Super Multitrack Looper. The new features of the software version 1.5 change the way a quantized recording ends and give the user midi control over the various functions of the machine by utilizing both midi control changes and midi program changes. The upgrade is easy to do via a compact flash card or usb connection to a computer. You can contact the very helpful Electro Harmonix team for the zip file that includes the software, the software upgrade instructions and the software upgrade notes. Electro Harmonix includes the original software in the zip file in case you want to restore it." On Nov 14, 2007 2:35 PM, van Sinn wrote: > > Ryan, where on earth, ehm, on which wire, did you see any 2880 firmware? > Sounds like you have some release notes on it too.. > I'd be most interested in knowing, especially as the MIDI > implementation par the manual is very basic at best, my hopes are out for more.. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 15 00:04:30 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CFEBC3BFF5; Thu, 15 Nov 2007 00:04:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <380-22007114150428658@M2W024.mail2web.com> X-Priority: 3 Reply-To: qua@oregon.com X-Originating-IP: 134.134.136.4 X-URL: http://mail2web.com/ From: "qua@oregon.com" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 19:04:28 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: Male to Female Voice Resent-Message-ID: <2ilqk.A.U3.O04OHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76430 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2007 00:04:30 +0000 (UTC) Antares makes a variety of interesting vocal s/w tools -Qua Original Message: ----------------- From: mike@michaelplishka=2Ecom Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 16:43:58 -0500 (EST) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight=2Ecom Subject: Male to Female Voice Any cool cheap plugins out there that can change a male voice to female for singing purposes=3F Thanks! ~Peace~ Plish -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web LIVE =96 Free email based on Microsoft=AE Exchange technology - http://link=2Email2web=2Ecom/LIVE From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 15 00:22:45 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3208F3BFFB; Thu, 15 Nov 2007 00:22:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <001901c8271d$96a527c0$0201a8c0@eluk1> From: "Stephen Goodman" To: References: <906758.40554.qm@web35106.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: computers suck (like a fox) Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2007 00:22:18 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0014_01C8271D.94BEB480" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76431 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2007 00:22:45 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0014_01C8271D.94BEB480 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable What is your sound output device? What is it set to? ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Paul Richards=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Wednesday, 14 November, 2007 20:45 PM Subject: Re: computers suck (like a fox) What about sound quality? I have a Tascam 428 (I believe) that I = primarily use as a vehicle to get sound out of my PC. The quality isn't = bad, but when I use certain interface tools like Line6's GuitarPort or = playback reason files, the sound quality just seems a little off. I'm = running my sound through a Mackie Onyx mixer, an Alesis RA-type amp and = a pair of Event Audio studio monitors. The sound SHOULD be decent = through such a rig but sound quality I obtain using devices that go = directly into the mixer (not PC originated) seem to have much more = clarity/depth/definition. If one is using a laptop with a PC-based looper and other plug-ins, = how is the sound quality compared to standalone hardware? Paul Chris Sewell wrote: So am I to assume (in regards to looping) that the EDP always works = flawlessly, The RC 50 syncs well, the Boomerang is quiet enough, The Jam = Man has enough memory, Electrix answers email etc etc. Of course = everyone has their preferences, but speaking for myself, my Laptop rig = is light years ahead of anything I imagined 5 years ago. Steeper = learning curve for sure, but the payoffs or magnificent.=20 -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- Get easy, one-click access to your favorites. Make Yahoo! your = homepage. ------=_NextPart_000_0014_01C8271D.94BEB480 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
        What is your sound output device?  What is it = set=20 to?
        ----- Original Message -----
        From:=20 Paul Richards
        To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
        Sent: Wednesday, 14 November, = 2007 20:45=20 PM
        Subject: Re: computers suck = (like a=20 fox)

        What about sound quality? I have a Tascam 428 (I believe) that I=20 primarily use as a vehicle to get sound out of my PC. The quality = isn't bad,=20 but when I use certain interface tools like Line6's GuitarPort or = playback=20 reason files, the sound quality just seems a little off. I'm running = my sound=20 through a Mackie Onyx mixer, an Alesis RA-type amp and a pair of Event = Audio=20 studio monitors. The sound SHOULD be decent through such a rig but = sound=20 quality I obtain using devices that go directly into the mixer (not PC = originated) seem to have much more clarity/depth/definition.
         
        If one is using a laptop with a PC-based looper and other = plug-ins, how=20 is the sound quality compared to standalone hardware?
         
        Paul

        Chris Sewell <lunamusic@mac.com>=20 wrote:
        So=20 am I to assume (in regards to looping) that the EDP always works = flawlessly,=20 The RC 50 syncs well, the Boomerang is quiet enough, The Jam Man has = enough=20 memory, Electrix answers email etc etc. Of course everyone has their = preferences, but speaking for myself, my Laptop rig is light years = ahead of=20 anything I imagined 5 years ago. Steeper learning curve for sure, = but the=20 payoffs or magnificent.


        Get easy, one-click access to your favorites. Ma= ke Yahoo!=20 your homepage. ------=_NextPart_000_0014_01C8271D.94BEB480-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 15 02:03:52 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7AC943BFF4; Thu, 15 Nov 2007 02:03:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.21,418,1188792000"; d="scan'208";a="132667715" X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Ah4FACo3O0dKgAAT/2dsb2JhbACBXIEYixo Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 20:03:50 -0600 From: mwsmart@insightbb.com Subject: Re: Male to Female Voice In-reply-to: <30762.167.83.10.20.1195076638.squirrel@www.michaelplishka.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Sun Java(tm) System Messenger Express 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006) Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_UNzAVRkY3jUHtUn78m6AxQ)" Content-language: en X-Accept-Language: en Priority: normal References: <6C8E1823-1BB8-4081-B4AC-AC7C14240F7E@gmail.com> <30762.167.83.10.20.1195076638.squirrel@www.michaelplishka.com> Resent-Message-ID: <3X8uK.A.ceF.Hk6OHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76432 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2007 02:03:52 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_UNzAVRkY3jUHtUn78m6AxQ) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline Pitch shifting up about a minor 3rd can make a male sound female. Easier than the castrata option. "music minus two"....LOL! Mark Smart http://www.marksmart.net --Boundary_(ID_UNzAVRkY3jUHtUn78m6AxQ) Content-type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline
        Pitch shifting up about a minor 3rd can make a male sound female. Easier than the castrata option.
         
        "music minus two"....LOL!
         
        Mark Smart
        --Boundary_(ID_UNzAVRkY3jUHtUn78m6AxQ)-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 15 02:11:31 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9CED43C002; Thu, 15 Nov 2007 02:11:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 399 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Thu, 15 Nov 2007 02:11:30 UTC X-YMail-OSG: I_3CsEwVM1kBLp.TI.4SOhYRfDQ3b_UYOzxms.c8edZMI0w6 Message-ID: <07451D9756A944B9886815A2F33D3255@HomePC> From: "Ken Robarge" To: References: <6C8E1823-1BB8-4081-B4AC-AC7C14240F7E@gmail.com><30762.167.83.10.20.1195076638.squirrel@www.michaelplishka.com><11949.167.83.10.20.1195082028.squirrel@www.michaelplishka.com> <20071114172004.340vntvq8k0gc88s@69.89.21.76> In-Reply-To: <20071114172004.340vntvq8k0gc88s@69.89.21.76> Subject: Re: Male to Female Voice Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 18:04:29 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6000.16480 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6000.16545 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76433 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2007 02:11:31 +0000 (UTC) Oh my gawd, LMAO ! 8^) > Quoting mike@michaelplishka.com: > >> >> We are such a wonderfully warped group.... >> >> :) >>> How about a castrata plug in? Now That would be cool. >>> > > Music minus two. > From form006711@account-updates.com Thu Nov 15 02:18:25 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 24327 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Thu, 15 Nov 2007 02:18:25 UTC Received: from loyaltitle.com (adsl-070-155-002-226.sip.mia.bellsouth.net [70.155.2.226]) by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id ADEBB3BFFC for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2007 02:18:23 +0000 (UTC) Received: from User ([24.168.197.64]) by loyaltitle.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Wed, 14 Nov 2007 13:41:54 -0500 From: "E*TRADE Financial" Subject: Please Update your Account Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 13:22:29 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1251" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 1 X-MSMail-Priority: High X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Nov 2007 18:41:54.0156 (UTC) FILETIME=[06FFD2C0:01C826EE] To: undisclosed-recipients:; Dear Customer

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        From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 15 02:33:05 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D9BAD3C000; Thu, 15 Nov 2007 02:33:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Received:X-YMail-OSG:Mime-Version:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-Id:Content-Type:To:From:Subject:Date:X-Mailer; b=I/011+GChImw3CTWbALxbJgJh1Nmgv/zNkoBxFqbTN8abUhoUJ3QR2wXhmJ0HcUtABxv0q0EVnXpgmbweHCvDUG6ME3WTy74XyMBWHzx/IPmNtZsm1m6XZ2wXBjJaUHSFlJXvzIX2SIkOrPo3mbaDJVZ/WQBQgpsHMHU93AHupE= ; X-YMail-OSG: uKZYGnUVM1nb_fnjIjivug2J7VVjzLq55olBLPhR1raFoaTGBEZhJFh0DYaVxdXvPDk.UXhnWg-- Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <403AC3D3-B055-45C9-9F74-CDF95C9A5861@yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Ryan Adlaf Subject: EHX 2880 Midi Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 18:33:02 -0800 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76434 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2007 02:33:05 +0000 (UTC) Anyone have any experience with the new 2880 Midi functionality introduced in the the 1.5 firmware update? The " ...at least 300mS between each button push message" comment in the docs is a little confusing - can that be true?! ~ ryan From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 15 02:47:45 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 505963BFFD; Thu, 15 Nov 2007 02:47:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 406 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Thu, 15 Nov 2007 02:47:44 UTC DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=wUdlBS7aeQtcGOw48IAAPBAB1eg+QssfquOxZBq9SRk=; b=nZFMa3lKWQ+pD176vircEhrneZgu6tUawmeRVFYcdQ9QorPGkojovscMp6dn44Nq0S2S+BOSopT/HKURn84iturlpuTJkaQEimSTFHsfIbFrYPTZjn04Viheg5eZvN/yPLhbe+zrFfDDYVQKo17jisSgU1ZJXrOPs3iAfLx21wI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=dyMt054gKUSuEfmS5fWBRdcWaf4aWgne96a6y3fq+KtWf5QDe/HxiazOnimQm1GuwtJSqHRw+DkdiRh/ae5Ock28gST0t2vUoDu5XCEv5uDu8tEKDlGiYrniawPSuP/tgqujZFdWQcfxsCgyyEosGnNrdCXhL+PN3cj47NNNPko= Message-ID: Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2007 03:40:56 +0100 From: "Raul Bonell" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: gig tonight (14th) London UK - Michael Peters, Darkroom, Andrew Booker In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_5196_21842694.1195094456315" References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76435 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2007 02:47:45 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_5196_21842694.1195094456315 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline No more patience here! Any recordings, photos of the Improvizone 10th... I hope we could taste a bit ... Raul. 2007/11/14, Os : > > More info: > http://www.improvizone.com/post.php?id=107 > > For the technically inclined, Andrew posted a wiring diagram for the > gig on his blog (!): > http://www.improvizone.com/post.php?id=110 > > > cheers, > os. > > -- > os@collective.co.uk > http://www.collective.co.uk/ > http://www.myspace.com/darkroomtheband > > -- The Playing Orchestra: http://www.telefonica.net/web2/tpo Chain Tape Collective: http://www.ct-collective.com TPO at myspace: http://www.myspace.com/theplayingorchestra ------=_Part_5196_21842694.1195094456315 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline No more patience here!
        Any recordings, photos of the Improvizone 10th...

        I hope we could taste a bit ...

        Raul.

        2007/11/14, Os < os@collective.co.uk>:
        More info:
        http://www.improvizone.com/post.php?id=107

        For the technically inclined, Andrew posted a wiring diagram for the
        gig on his blog (!):
        http://www.improvizone.com/post.php?id=110


        cheers,
        os.

        --
        os@collective.co.uk
        http://www.collective.co.uk/
        http://www.myspace.com/darkroomtheband




        --
        The Playing Orchestra: http://www.telefonica.net/web2/tpo
        Chain Tape Collective: http://www.ct-collective.com
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        --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_27159_1195097034_0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 15 09:48:43 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4DD363BFE6; Thu, 15 Nov 2007 09:48:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references:x-google-sender-auth; bh=PAXckPN2+TQEGZbGvgyKK6FP/0kZYmHSG2scnWuZSRw=; b=V+MffYmBW0ICB6NiMmD8R46aMrCUA43uAEoqw2CwUsKliujm8qldpeNoFYqreh6TQKSOqjKfdddzh2XK1uBaGBBbjnz3jbuCY9Uvw5rMKjGvTE6Bb/LPweAxnDXktGH0Lc/oBEcVQsn1CrH0GWGpKT70TcXm6puSHVelnLdDg3k= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=R14qimXCvwCHsUQf/B9Qi/JVcRxhW6OW5HVqmtQtMUOiE1eeJ9ugDxzml205BEcHGBo+ItL0eA0gXngGlJGc3YWeXl6TLAj0oJfp4OXYhn/IiFBfuppoZ50DcvYCwBXFFZPD9aNzrnP568wluYluQf9jPeIVEMV5jfuk9V5qckM= Message-ID: Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2007 09:48:38 +0000 From: Os Sender: expertsleepers@googlemail.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: gig tonight (14th) London UK - Michael Peters, Darkroom, Andrew Booker In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: X-Google-Sender-Auth: dc1c55fdda9708e1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76436 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2007 09:48:43 +0000 (UTC) photos here: http://www.flickr.com/photos/monkeysorama/sets/72157603189886365/ video and audio to come! cheers, os. 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Windows Live Hotmail = --_4fd40085-2992-44de-91d2-df3128c98653_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 15 10:01:22 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 723943BFEC; Thu, 15 Nov 2007 10:01:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=ubTs+qnNff6cK+GKJvuUK6jHEPl7MrF+YyGj3UhYkIPHovowyxqzzf/LEDNk/KFJ+aZ19z88IA0cJRCFtrTVmq1HODTg1kHbzA6pMrkmLNUQ64P34vZEUT7izkQzlI3jV0KuktArlZkrJ66ZS0x6fF4hp5IzNAhV7CafL1+VBQA=; X-YMail-OSG: FiIMGvEVM1nYMkgqJ6uoE6_2j6VhCOCunnVI9RiCAcAuc_UKEelYBnxn3ajsR25IEryKOfumODQ25HEFGUeC.C8Y.GTXbJtCoineRaOt5cYQLvXGAY8- Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2007 02:01:19 -0800 (PST) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: Erdem Helvacioglu To: Loopers Delight MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <2809.46740.qm@web38612.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76437 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2007 10:01:22 +0000 (UTC) I was checking out Erdem Helvacioglu,very interesting soundscapes anybody knows how he is proccesing his guitar,is he using a midi guitar config or plugins only? cheers Luis www.myspace.com/luisangulocom ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better pen pal. Text or chat with friends inside Yahoo! Mail. See how. http://overview.mail.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 15 10:48:13 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4110D3C001; Thu, 15 Nov 2007 10:48:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; bh=guZ1t1muvm3TWVDCCfVU6znYIaI+Et0xgQbQnOll9XM=; b=DWuVlnQfIBBkAHXLP1XHnhz0gBTk47hdPKFKIqeGKAd5eN4ShUGFYHokRLf0Dd6M8LnW+Oxb0jgETIqIvK1S/KRO511yOI14vdjFE6N92BBtgEkdCMIRRAkEoBHi0SMU6bmVp4X7Ikb7rXZb3jQ3JJqRHkCfErwOji+tehs1Y1g= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=tUye74scf4eQSI7XVHG3hJKzFTbk/7stAQ1+V1rurzr9rTp7gxl2fHQw9fyac9qfWp2/UTwdn9DJ4o2v0jb60RU3DXIxAT1nOysYVjvgUDgE1it0ASvIFMRW7Np/gXheuRgWqhKVJTmr1D/O+co34GrcwnqKbm2MiJCmxmQuLBI= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <2809.46740.qm@web38612.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <2809.46740.qm@web38612.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Erdem Helvacioglu Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2007 11:48:05 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76438 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2007 10:48:13 +0000 (UTC) On 15 nov 2007, at 11.01, L.A. Angulo wrote: > I was checking out Erdem Helvacioglu,very interesting > soundscapes anybody knows how he is proccesing his > guitar,is he using a midi guitar config or plugins > only? I talked a lot with him in California. He uses an Ovation acoustic guitar with mic output and plays through a TC Electronic Firworx. Normally he brings that into Audio Much on a laptop (which probably is what you hear on his CD) but at the festival gigs his laptop broke and he played with only the Fireworx and borrowed looping pedals. I am also a dedicated Fireworx lover and I can say that his CD gives a good demonstration of the Fireworx. Myself I have had best experiences with the Fireworx used for flute, even though I have also used it for guitar. Erdem has some three to four floor boxes between the guitar and the Fireworx, but I never checked out exactly which boxes that was. When using the Fireworx with guitar it is very important to set a good input level and signal impedance. With my single coil strat I would need a little booster before the Fireworx. I don't know if Erdem brings the Fireworx digitally into the laptop, but I would guess so because in my tests that has proven to give a lot better sound and less latency (i.e. using TC Electronic's A/D converters instead of the computer's/audio interface's). Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://www.youtube.com/pellibox (gritty) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 15 10:59:33 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 050513C00B; Thu, 15 Nov 2007 10:59:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <00f401c82776$89f024e0$4001a8c0@pcfabio> Reply-To: "e t e r o g e n e o" From: "e t e r o g e n e o" To: References: <2809.46740.qm@web38612.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Erdem Helvacioglu Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2007 11:59:04 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-Spam-Rating: smtp3.aruba.it 1.6.2 0/1000/N Resent-Message-ID: <9jrUh.A.RGG.UaCPHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76439 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2007 10:59:32 +0000 (UTC) What i've understood, seeing and talking with him at the Y2K7, is that he use a TC Electronics for effect processing and plugins running on Audiomulch. He's a kind of real time musician, different from what generally is intended for "loopers", because, what he does is using a lot of delayes where he capture the effect tail and work with it. Sorry for my english, i'm not sure if it's clear; but what i want to mean is the fact that he doesn't use functions like "feedback" or "multiply" in an EDP, Mobius, etc..., just effects plugins and a lot of delayes. At the Y2K7, (and i think in all of his album) hre didn't use a midi guitar. fabio www.eterogeneo.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "L.A. Angulo" To: "Loopers Delight" Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2007 11:01 AM Subject: Erdem Helvacioglu >I was checking out Erdem Helvacioglu,very interesting > soundscapes anybody knows how he is proccesing his > guitar,is he using a midi guitar config or plugins > only? > cheers > Luis > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > Be a better pen pal. > Text or chat with friends inside Yahoo! Mail. See how. > http://overview.mail.yahoo.com/ > > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.15.32/1131 - Release Date: > 14/11/2007 16.54 > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 15 11:20:32 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 86C653C00A; Thu, 15 Nov 2007 11:20:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2007 12:20:27 +0100 Message-Id: Subject: Re: Erdem Helvacioglu MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Sensitivity: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: "Sjaak" To: "Loopers-Delight" X-XaM3-API-Version: 4.1 (B54) X-type: 0 X-SenderIP: 145.7.91.126 X-DCC-scarlet.be-Metrics: elist Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76440 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2007 11:20:32 +0000 (UTC) > Per Boysen wrote: > I talked a lot with him in California. He uses an Ovation acoustic > guitar with mic output and plays through a TC Electronic Firworx. > Normally he brings that into Audio Much on a laptop (which probably > is what you hear on his CD) but at the festival gigs his laptop broke = > and he played with only the Fireworx and borrowed looping pedals. I > am also a dedicated Fireworx lover and I can say that his CD gives a > good demonstration of the Fireworx. Myself I have had best > experiences with the Fireworx used for flute, even though I have also = > used it for guitar. Per, did you also use the Fireworx in "The Last Fjord" on y2k6? =0A---=0A= Scarlet One, ADSL 6 Mbps + Telefonie, vanaf EUR 29,95...=0Ahttp://www.sca= rlet.be/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 15 11:35:23 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EAEB93C013; Thu, 15 Nov 2007 11:35:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2007 06:34:58 -0500 From: Bill Fox Subject: Listen to Afterglow, Galactic Travels, and The AM/FM Show To: undisclosed-recipients: ; Message-id: <473C2EE2.90900@soundscapes.us> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.12 (Windows/20070509) Resent-Message-ID: <8-YjdB.A.bCH.77CPHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76441 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2007 11:35:23 +0000 (UTC) AFTERGLOW ON WMUH: http://soundscapes.us/afterglow ======================================================================= Afterglow airs from 8:00 am to 9:30 am every Thursday morning. Tune in for a delightful mix of eclectic musical genres including a healthy dose of Progressive Rock. Tune in at 91.7 FM or on the internet at: http://muhlenberg.edu/wmuh I will be playing music by Radio Massacre International who are coming over from the UK to play at The Gatherings concert series. I will also play the music of IZZ who will be at the New Jersey Proghouse, GALACTIC TRAVELS ON WDIY: http://galactictravels.info ======================================================================= Tonight at 11 pm on Galactic Travels, I'll continue the month-long Special focus on Paul Ellis from Washington state. The Featured CD at Midnight will be "The Sacred Ordinary" on Groove Unlimited Records. For details, see the Special Focus page at: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2007/focus.html#nov I will be playing music by Radio Massacre International who are coming over from the UK to play at The Gatherings concert series. Galactic Travels is an electronic, ambient, and space music show that airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg, 93.7 FM in Fogelsville and Trexlertown, on the internet, and in High Definition Radio at 88.1 FM. THE AM/FM SHOW ON WMUH: http://soundscapes.us/amfm ======================================================================= My next stint on the AM/FM Show will be Saturday, November 10 at 6:00 am. I will continue the special on E-dition Electronic Music Magazine's sampler CDs. I will continue with the last issue so this special is drawing to a close soon. What's next? ;-) I will be playing music by Radio Massacre International who are coming over from the UK to play at The Gatherings concert series. I will also play the music of IZZ who will be at the New Jersey Proghouse, Tune in to WMUH Allentown at 91.7 FM, broadcasting from the campus of Muhlenberg College. I alternate hosting the show with Bruce. When I am at the helm, the show features electronic, ambient, and spacemusic at the beginning, an eclectic mix of genres in the middle, and winds up with Progressive Rock. WMUH's web site is http://muhlenberg.edu/wmuh ====================================================================== All times are EST/GMT-5. Listen on-line to WDIY at http://wdiy.org and click LISTEN or go directly to: http://rm1.refugemedia.com/ramgen/encoder/wdiy.rm Listen on-line to WMUH at http://www.muhlenberg.edu/wmuh and click the REAL AUDIO link or go directly to: rtsp://helix.muhlenberg.edu:554/broadcast/live.rm From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 15 11:45:48 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EDB083C014; Thu, 15 Nov 2007 11:45:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; bh=8hN3Gwo+JPN/GgCyg5ngnCsFhP9LEavcHxl+ybO3pkc=; b=NL+g3PPErt4a+qyBgPnX76JHZo+eyqRfOzpmiLYp2E8SYGNkT2tlg2BHiTp7hoDqdVkNMCytOT4dRPSlpIWmVenkEg7AbiT9oGCKch7Yi7y+icWzWKkWxoSULx0L4pMH4EfERYLron9K2VPyxwQZEJ5UxfvctH/Q7WUYXqzh9k4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=ti2zn5OdhECTH63cComiXR9ew7ZfFy7Uh7DCakguHV4bbVQhwWFbPVOMiVqfamljhqTq/Jn70ArItoGTnTZoaDt5QLu6NsEFXuEjHdTR4diFShY2RMRz2yt4ux6sAhTetgulmGMT6Tw/BdEGXUPtfPlKCb3v1DFvLkz4XJRAUSo= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Erdem Helvacioglu Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2007 12:45:41 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76442 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2007 11:45:47 +0000 (UTC) On 15 nov 2007, at 12.20, Sjaak wrote: > Per, did you also use the Fireworx in "The Last Fjord" on y2k6? Oh yes! Everything from me at y2k6 was played through the Fireworx. Unfortunately I had to sell my Fireworx in june this year when a laptop audio interface broke down and I could not afford in cash to replace it. But there's a fair chance I will buy a new (second hand) Fireworx as soon as I get money and find one. I really like them. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://www.youtube.com/pellibox (gritty) From anicettekoffi225@yahoo.fr Thu Nov 15 12:03:24 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 361 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Thu, 15 Nov 2007 12:03:23 UTC Received: from n5a.bullet.ukl.yahoo.com (n5a.bullet.ukl.yahoo.com [217.146.183.153]) by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix) with SMTP id AAB063C006 for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2007 12:03:23 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [217.146.182.180] by n5.bullet.ukl.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Nov 2007 11:57:00 -0000 Received: from [87.248.110.17] by t6.bullet.ukl.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Nov 2007 11:57:00 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp101.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Nov 2007 11:57:00 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-5 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 268944.33360.bm@omp101.mail.ukl.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 64371 invoked by uid 60001); 15 Nov 2007 11:57:00 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.fr; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=KgiBUSTv7eDH1Se1GT6n0UOqFv/oPlrr49qm6x84XIMJ3olfou1/51ILNdDn4NrkBQMGxmZopmgvbI7W4fBAPlPLC3yNruxJH8Y5m9iK+0BNvtS+k2CaO9RrJBi2wzJK8HVDpu8UolAG4MwmTFWaRUFL/ogPSStI6zj4Z6onDVo=; X-YMail-OSG: fQ2W7iwVM1kYv0BFsOV9naD5C3qlCQTSs1NEEVzSm6LQoBHvtE8g91EQNnAQwvsBgZwrsOfjhs_eXmBvlArx.gwnU7dRbqowig-- Received: from [196.201.74.125] by web23009.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 15 Nov 2007 12:56:59 CET Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2007 12:56:59 +0100 (CET) From: anicette koffi Reply-To: anicettekoffi25@yahoo.fr Subject: SALUT BIEN AIME To: anicettekoffi225@yahoo.fr MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1103842498-1195127819=:64328" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <961639.64328.qm@web23009.mail.ird.yahoo.com> --0-1103842498-1195127819=:64328 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Mlle Anicette KOFFI e-mail: anicettekoffi25@yahoo.fr 2,Rue des Oliviers Abidjan Cocody Republique de Côte D'Ivoire Bonjour très Cher(e), Avant tout propos, je m'excuse de m'introduire dans votre existence de façon si soudaine mais l'urgence je crois me l'exigeait. Je me permets donc de vous contacter ce jour tout en espérant que celà conduise à une occasion d'affaire basée sur l'honnêteté et la transparence. J'ai pû avoir votre adresse email grâce à certaines annonces que j'ai passé auprès d'agences et ONG d'assistance, d'aide et d'action humanitaire et même si nous ne nous sommes jamais rencontrés, je crois fermement que sur la base du droit d'assistance humanitaire, une réelle confiance peut naître de notre communication et favoriser ainsi un véritable partenariat d'affaires entre vous et moi. Je viens donc par ce présent message solliciter aide et assistance auprès de vous.En fait je suis mademoiselle Anicette KOFFI orpheline depuis quelques temps suite à la mort tragique de mon père feu monsieur KOFFI Blaise riche négociant de café/cacao et d'or décédé des suites d'un empoisonnement lors d'un dîner d'affaires. J'ai perdu ma mère depuis étant toute petite et mon père n'a jamais plus voulu se remarier. Nous étions lui et moi , si proches qu'il n'hésitait pas à me parler de toutes ses affaires. J'ai donc hérité légitimement d'une importante somme d'argent qui m'a été léguée par mon défunt père en vertu de ses dispositions testamentaires . En effet, mon défunt père avait déposé dans une banque de la capitale ivoirienne ( Abidjan ) sur un compte numéroté et bloqué la somme de la somme de 2,5 millions d'€uros . Laquelle somme selon ses propres dires était destinée à un projet d'investissement dans le domaine de l'immobilier et de l'agro alimentaire. J'ai sû l'existence de cet important dépôt de 2.5 millions d'€uros pendant qu'il était agonisant sur son lit d'hôpital.Il m'a alors conseillé de chercher un partenaire en occident et quitter ce pays parce qu'une fois mort ses assassins ne me laisseraient pas tranquille. C'est malheureusement ce qui a lieu en ce moment et pour me cacher , j'ai dû trouver refuge dans un petit hôtel de la place où je suis actuellement et d'où je vous écris ce mail. Il m'a donné l'adresse de son notaire où je me suis rendu pour me procurer tous les papiers attestant de ce dépôt qui a été fait en mon nom . Je souhaiterais les points suivants : - Que vous acceptiez de m'accueillir chez vous et de bien vous occuper de moi - Que vous m'aidiez à transférer cet argent sur un compte chez vous - Que vous fassiez de bons et judicieux placements de cet argent - Que vous utilisiez 25% de cette somme comme récompense pour votre assistance à mon égard et 5 autres % pour toutes les éventuelles dépenses que vous aurez à effectuerer pour la réalisation de ladite transaction. J'attends impatiemment votre réponse et je voudrais aussi savoir compter sur vos qualités humaines,vertueuses et professionnelles. Merci encore une fois de plus pour la peine que vous avez pris à me lire et surtout de me faire une réponse dès receptionde ce présent mail. Je réponds à l'email suivant: anicettekoffi25@yahoo.fr Je vous prie d'aggréer mes salutations les plus sincères. Fraternellement, Mlle Anicette KOFFI. QUE DIEU BENISSE NOTRE COLLABORATION. --------------------------------- Stockage illimité de vos mails avec Yahoo! Mail. Changez aujourd'hui de mail ! --0-1103842498-1195127819=:64328 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
        Mlle Anicette KOFFI
        e-mail:         anicettekoffi25@yahoo.fr
        2,Rue des Oliviers Abidjan
        Cocody Republique de Côte D'Ivoire

        Bonjour très Cher(e),

        Avant tout propos, je m'excuse de m'introduire dans votre existence de façon si soudaine mais l'urgence je crois me l'exigeait. Je me permets donc de vous contacter ce jour tout en espérant que celà conduise à une occasion d'affaire basée sur l'honnêteté et la transparence.

        J'ai pû avoir votre adresse email grâce à certaines annonces que j'ai passé auprès d'agences et ONG d'assistance, d'aide et d'action humanitaire et même si nous ne nous sommes jamais rencontrés, je crois fermement que sur la base du droit d'assistance humanitaire, une réelle confiance peut naître de notre communication et favoriser ainsi un véritable partenariat d'affaires entre vous et moi.

        Je viens donc par ce présent message solliciter aide et assistance auprès de vous.En fait je suis mademoiselle Anicette KOFFI orpheline depuis quelques temps suite à la mort tragique de mon père feu monsieur KOFFI Blaise riche négociant de café/cacao et d'or décédé des suites d'un empoisonnement lors d'un dîner d'affaires.

        J'ai perdu ma mère depuis étant toute petite et mon père n'a jamais plus voulu se remarier. Nous étions lui et moi , si proches qu'il n'hésitait pas à me parler de toutes ses affaires. J'ai donc hérité légitimement d'une importante somme d'argent qui m'a été léguée par mon défunt père en vertu de ses dispositions testamentaires .

        En effet, mon défunt père avait déposé dans une banque de la capitale ivoirienne ( Abidjan ) sur un compte numéroté et bloqué la somme de la somme de 2,5 millions d'€uros . Laquelle somme selon ses propres dires était destinée à un projet d'investissement dans le domaine de l'immobilier et de l'agro alimentaire.

        J'ai sû l'existence de cet important dépôt de 2.5 millions d'€uros pendant qu'il était agonisant sur son lit d'hôpital.Il m'a alors conseillé de chercher un partenaire en occident et quitter ce pays parce qu'une fois mort ses assassins ne me laisseraient pas tranquille. C'est malheureusement ce qui a lieu en ce moment et pour me cacher , j'ai dû trouver refuge dans un petit hôtel de la place où je suis actuellement et d'où je vous écris ce mail.

        Il m'a donné l'adresse de son notaire où je me suis rendu pour me procurer tous les papiers attestant de ce dépôt qui a été fait en mon nom .

        Je souhaiterais les points suivants :

        - Que vous acceptiez de m'accueillir chez vous et de bien vous occuper de moi
        - Que vous m'aidiez à transférer cet argent sur un compte chez vous
        - Que vous fassiez de bons et judicieux placements de cet argent
        - Que vous utilisiez 25% de cette somme comme récompense pour votre
        assistance à mon égard et 5 autres % pour toutes les éventuelles dépenses que vous aurez à effectuerer pour la réalisation de ladite transaction.

        J'attends impatiemment votre réponse et je voudrais aussi savoir compter sur vos qualités humaines,vertueuses et professionnelles.

        Merci encore une fois de plus pour la peine que vous avez pris à me lire et surtout de me faire une réponse dès receptionde ce présent mail.

        Je réponds à l'email suivant:         anicettekoffi25@yahoo.fr

        Je vous prie d'aggréer mes salutations les plus sincères.

        Fraternellement,

        Mlle Anicette KOFFI.

        QUE DIEU BENISSE NOTRE COLLABORATION.

        Stockage illimité de vos mails avec Yahoo! Mail. Changez aujourd'hui de mail ! --0-1103842498-1195127819=:64328-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 15 13:22:37 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6BAE93C007; Thu, 15 Nov 2007 13:22:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=jjQeS8CJP/1Lo15WgTFklSPtdRdkJEOynzG57oTh/aU=; b=Kl7xTw7QyjNo6vcFtvkqu0s2GKc/6hWmW6NPDYJncqPYLYKUPSxl/0D/gUbJ0i/HyhBQdbQDPujRNKc/54gYl2DuLTIFRmQjnKVthganyRbzBrsZeK1E/+Zc038VLad7GWJ/nJunBgyuKmz4+TPm9WwUFNzqt+Bf+R9odw9fyaU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=Sf9fE2+qey4xO1gZiFB5Lc72SGwPtuAE7Tf/wnBEt55t/JKXsn0AeE6Y6cheiC7+vD07ilB0G4IhwDXP04SYBhp7vClpy3oDPXDLz1gAdUF5yT/1fawj3J+bou7Lke/9eUb5GksQcAuYJ5rYUsGBgoSgDwAzVyyjB8Tuo1+Gx+0= Message-ID: Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2007 14:22:35 +0100 From: "Raul Bonell" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: gig tonight (14th) London UK - Michael Peters, Darkroom, Andrew Booker In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_6086_1680108.1195132955714" References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76443 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2007 13:22:37 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_6086_1680108.1195132955714 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline enjoyed the pics! also video to come? greeeeat! raul. 2007/11/15, Os : > > photos here: > > http://www.flickr.com/photos/monkeysorama/sets/72157603189886365/ > > video and audio to come! > > > cheers, > os. > > > On 15/11/2007, Raul Bonell wrote: > > No more patience here! > > Any recordings, photos of the Improvizone 10th... > > > > I hope we could taste a bit ... > > > > Raul. > > > > 2007/11/14, Os < os@collective.co.uk>: > > > More info: > > > http://www.improvizone.com/post.php?id=107 > > > > > > For the technically inclined, Andrew posted a wiring diagram for the > > > gig on his blog (!): > > > http://www.improvizone.com/post.php?id=110 > > > > > > > > > cheers, > > > os. > > > > > > -- > > > os@collective.co.uk > > > http://www.collective.co.uk/ > > > http://www.myspace.com/darkroomtheband > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > The Playing Orchestra: http://www.telefonica.net/web2/tpo > > Chain Tape Collective: http://www.ct-collective.com > > TPO at myspace: http://www.myspace.com/theplayingorchestra > > > -- > os@collective.co.uk > http://www.collective.co.uk/ > http://www.myspace.com/darkroomtheband > > -- The Playing Orchestra: http://www.telefonica.net/web2/tpo Chain Tape Collective: http://www.ct-collective.com TPO at myspace: http://www.myspace.com/theplayingorchestra ------=_Part_6086_1680108.1195132955714 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline enjoyed the pics!
        also video to come? greeeeat!

        raul.

        2007/11/15, Os <os@collective.co.uk>:
        photos here:

        http://www.flickr.com/photos/monkeysorama/sets/72157603189886365/

        video and audio to come!


        cheers,
        os.


        On 15/11/2007, Raul Bonell <raul.bonell@gmail.com> wrote:
        > No more patience here!
        > Any recordings, photos of the Improvizone 10th...
        >
        > I hope we could taste a bit ...
        >
        > Raul.
        >
        > 2007/11/14, Os < os@collective.co.uk>:
        > > More info:
        > > http://www.improvizone.com/post.php?id=107
        > >
        > > For the technically inclined, Andrew posted a wiring diagram for the
        > > gig on his blog (!):
        > > http://www.improvizone.com/post.php?id=110
        > >
        > >
        > > cheers,
        > > os.
        > >
        > > --
        > > os@collective.co.uk
        > > http://www.collective.co.uk/
        > > http://www.myspace.com/darkroomtheband
        > >
        > >
        >
        >
        >
        > --
        > The Playing Orchestra: http://www.telefonica.net/web2/tpo
        > Chain Tape Collective: http://www.ct-collective.com
        > TPO at myspace: http://www.myspace.com/theplayingorchestra


        --
        os@collective.co.uk
        http://www.collective.co.uk/
        http://www.myspace.com/darkroomtheband




        --
        The Playing Orchestra: http://www.telefonica.net/web2/tpo
        Chain Tape Collective: http://www.ct-collective.com
        TPO at myspace: http://www.myspace.com/theplayingorchestra ------=_Part_6086_1680108.1195132955714-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 15 14:40:44 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C0AD73C009; Thu, 15 Nov 2007 14:40:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=BKnVvAHVBhVA+MXBK8ogf2hkPjcP5GL1o361drAzBeU1otlmDXNOJx2qVEu5oIzue8edSyJWYNsN5bxhiC/m/yiW2Xe3Et/zzJJlhjO6L2i2G5cwzj/qXXplj8zClGk/IEpekXiJAkaaDXX29SJOJ/GjLf/46nMCFuH7E7lFvBM=; X-YMail-OSG: 0KrhNPEVM1nIy_ZEyKahIHABpqWY_A6udhXRdBuKPkHWQhPDobtuolEydAWe5rSdVY511JdsEoDXeprweBXPY6khG9kB_Sjd..cJVTKfIffy6Cly3IA- Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2007 06:40:43 -0800 (PST) From: Subject: Re: DL4 Expression Pedals (was: Alesis F2 Review) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <65295.49209.qm@web34503.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76444 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2007 14:40:44 +0000 (UTC) As far as it being optical I'm afriad I don't know. using expression pedals is new to me. I will say that it's buggy. I attempted to use it as I normally do in a band setting yesterday and it wouldn't function at all. Only worked with the loop function. I eventually gave up using it. ----------------------- "Matthias Grob" thats the worst problem several pedals: a too small range usually they just cut the maximum but the optical ones dont go to zero, which is useless to me so it the M Audio optical? or could you maybe adjust it? sometimes they just dont assemble the potentiometer in the perfect position... On 7 Nov 2007, at 18:56, wrote: > I'm currently using the M audio and have found it to > be decent.... but I can still faintly hear the loop > when I'm trying to mute using the pedal. > > --- ditch wrestler wrote: > >> Anybody know if the Alesis, M-Audio, or Behringer >> pedals will work as an expression pedal for the DL4? >> >> >> ted. >> >> >> Kevin Cheli-Colando wrote: >> Speaking of expression pedals,anyone ever use the >> Behringer pedals? >> >> http://www.zzounds.com/item--BEHFCV100 >> >> Bad reviews for volume control but $25 for a metal >> expression pedal >> might be good. >> >> Kevin >> >> >> >> >> "Indeed, naturally I think that a film should have a >> beginning, middle, and an end — but not necessarily >> in that order." Jean Luc Goddard >> __________________________________________________ >> Do You Yahoo!? >> Tired of spam? Yahoo! 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Make Yahoo! your homepage. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 15 16:20:05 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 67A8B3C015; Thu, 15 Nov 2007 16:20:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <473C71B1.6000100@mhorse.com> Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2007 10:20:01 -0600 From: Daryl Shawn User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.13 (Windows/20070809) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: gig tonight (14th) London UK - Michael Peters, Darkroom, Andrew Booker References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76445 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2007 16:20:05 +0000 (UTC) I'm enjoying some of the audio from past shows now...congrats on making it to IZ ten! Everything I've heard from the project has been great, really, I'm amassing a nice pile of downloads from these which I frequently enjoy. And the site - especially Andrew's writing - is such a great document of what's going on. I love reading it even from afar, though it makes me heartsick for London (and especially for the near-opportunity I had to play with you fine fellows...). Daryl Shawn www.swanwelder.com www.chinapaintingmusic.com >>> http://www.improvizone.com/post.php?id=107 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 15 16:39:11 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6E2C23C021; Thu, 15 Nov 2007 16:39:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; bh=8Z5fxmKMJQFje1hJSG7nxJNim/uD9+igGmHoNtzOwwY=; b=PN947HT7byJY5KqbcodwiYGRIjgKV9bxxyMh0VfNBtcPuJcwZN2/jhl+Sg/5siXl9JyAHwwU2w0e9UNqYCdE31WeBKxd9nmUhETrNmmTRfvydepzUZTx2aeOJOYODfzOHa2O+T4lUUtAFG7mHB5N8jU1/NL6RTT922G5Fhx+xMw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=aeeeBeoLEXFvb20N1o43FdEreVaocwae4jlzzHVEdDTBxQdJjNHqAfbsz1p5pp1G2P7cz1nU80ChiAqDnbY7nQH0EKIepgtZ1FWiwrwTXR9eciIF84vFn0bwcIcAP7xdKZ+npWXr+uJnqrfIPC33s1pvGeQPLhcwMfJJl9zaQoc= Message-ID: Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2007 11:32:23 -0500 From: "Tony K" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Spacey Loopy Goodness MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76446 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2007 16:39:11 +0000 (UTC) A little something that appeared in the studio the other night... http://www.thinginajar.com/bigtony/Talk1.mp3 -- -==-=-=- Tony From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 15 16:45:54 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4A84D3C012; Thu, 15 Nov 2007 16:45:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:x-google-sender-auth; bh=1YdLDdBOV3SBzBbNMit4K9Tmx48jzB8n6vjDy4UMkP0=; b=E5cgoc8hY6o9+tOezVnjlHv3aO/I6MgVj0+MW9SJgwflp+ccp5zl8VcHOsmAW2m4+HjplTU/oZFzwI/iX8LiOVAfZvqQT90srXKv+bN7XYpDICRsMPND7EmZx+Fv4RFGUCquNKLW2epPtPxV200PgmkccgDV7lwRWmYH7MNbWSM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:x-google-sender-auth; b=IeLi5l8XXN+AxnVQJKeocKsqx2hNOXXv5CbBwRBzU1T3wErj12KvJwbjC4HjpnbwWm9Ub5/0bpshOfQRWHFMBdOFqUQAIROM4I2tTxhXk9vzfwQcgmVOVYCdGR8ZB9f8dWkpY+GPmKPAMjkMZXaXSe0jxijLYQX3LXNSZ+oHkDQ= Message-ID: Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2007 06:45:52 -1000 From: "michael wall" Sender: drumaloha@gmail.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, "michael wall" Subject: Resend: virgin looper MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Google-Sender-Auth: e8b02e812864f49b Resent-Message-ID: <1xLJHD.A.xcE.BfHPHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76447 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2007 16:45:54 +0000 (UTC) can anyone help? > howdy > > i am a percussionist/song writer > > what i want to accomplish is the be able to loop "descant" or > contrasting backing vocal parts to set up multi-layered chants. I > want to be able to do this live, while playing congas or frame drums. > I suspect that I'll need a microphone with a tight focus to avoid > bleeding the percussion in too much... > > what I would appreciate is recommendations about which real-time > looping devices would be useful. simple is probably best. i'm adept > with my feet, so pedals are in the picture too. > > please feel free to reply direct to drum@hawaii.rr.com to save > bandwidth on this eGroup - which clearly is far beyond the beginner > stage! > > thanks > > -- > Michael Wall > > Beauty and strength, leaping laughter, delicious langour, force and > fire are of us! > > 3934-A Harding Ave, Honolulu, HI 96816 (808) 737-3786 H 377-3786 C > -- Michael Wall Beauty and strength, leaping laughter, delicious languor, force and fire are of us! 3934-A Harding Ave, Honolulu, HI 96816 (808) 737-3786 H 377-3786 C From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 15 16:55:48 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9C4C93C029; Thu, 15 Nov 2007 16:55:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 1400 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Thu, 15 Nov 2007 16:55:47 UTC DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=iaCC9IIb1E+rKOB435jp/4Z1fFBgCFb20B4jGZKfzHw=; b=HblfKmAidxh3w1v7giv7QMuesPeSqhilXjePYODdwe34xsf+RdjhMKJsr2DThai/fyM66L+E2XziHGIg8BlPCvaTYl3ZSVlN59XY03JUPWD8zPlVzYdcMMkn11GlPf8zbP/AvKie6ozKqpTQzSClqzGNoIOKtvvsQuHr7C0U0Hw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=cueMIPSsRFmtXFvE+Q9J7lgQ2mZC+ag5lnR/VXOmYYHYjS2CFm9zDiLq6Ji3mVbNow6DQN6JVhUtwv97Ip5XlV2y7EueyGfeX3qVA7x0UXyd8081xnwZwXERRYorjULrw7s+hEFABz1cIwKJquiHoC75JlrYZ+j3ueB5WkXPrjA= Message-ID: Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2007 11:55:36 -0500 From: "Tony K" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Resend: virgin looper In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76448 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2007 16:55:48 +0000 (UTC) Howdy Michael, > > what I would appreciate is recommendations about which real-time > > looping devices would be useful. simple is probably best. i'm adept > > with my feet, so pedals are in the picture too. I think I (and a lot of others here) would recommend the Roland RC-20 http://www.roland.com/products/en/RC-20/index.html which has a XLR and 1/4" input for instrument and mic. The RC is a looper in contrast to the DD20 or the DL4 which are delays with a loop mode. Either of which would be good too. The RC has a LONG loop time, many minutes. the DD20 and DL4 have less than a minute each. Which might be enough. I have all 3 and like them all. Tony On Nov 15, 2007 11:45 AM, michael wall wrote: > can anyone help? > > > > > howdy > > > > i am a percussionist/song writer > > > > what i want to accomplish is the be able to loop "descant" or > > contrasting backing vocal parts to set up multi-layered chants. I > > want to be able to do this live, while playing congas or frame drums. > > I suspect that I'll need a microphone with a tight focus to avoid > > bleeding the percussion in too much... > > > > what I would appreciate is recommendations about which real-time > > looping devices would be useful. simple is probably best. i'm adept > > with my feet, so pedals are in the picture too. > > > > please feel free to reply direct to drum@hawaii.rr.com to save > > bandwidth on this eGroup - which clearly is far beyond the beginner > > stage! > > > > thanks > > > > -- > > Michael Wall > > > > Beauty and strength, leaping laughter, delicious langour, force and > > fire are of us! > > > > 3934-A Harding Ave, Honolulu, HI 96816 (808) 737-3786 H 377-3786 C > > > > > -- > Michael Wall > > Beauty and strength, leaping laughter, delicious languor, force and > fire are of us! > > 3934-A Harding Ave, Honolulu, HI 96816 (808) 737-3786 H 377-3786 C > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 15 17:22:11 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C169D3C022; Thu, 15 Nov 2007 17:22:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Qua Veda" To: References: In-Reply-To: Subject: OT: noatikl , generative music tools? Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2007 09:22:07 -0800 Message-ID: <000d01c827ac$0d331990$27994cb0$@com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: Acgnpidzazr/Fd6STkyM1FKArztdZgABYN+A Content-Language: en-us X-RBL-Warning: REVDNS: This E-mail was sent from a MUA/MTA 206.212.233.27 with no reverse DNS entry. X-Declude-Sender: qua@oregon.com [206.212.233.27] X-Declude-Spoolname: D805504ac00007ab0.smd X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude JunkMail (www.declude.com) for spam. Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76449 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2007 17:22:11 +0000 (UTC) Hi Is anyone using Noatikl ? or other 'generative music' tools ? It seems that Koan made famous by Brian Eno in the 90's, is no longer in use these days. I'm sure there are generative music patches available in Max, too. -Qua From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 15 17:27:29 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 19B5A3C027; Thu, 15 Nov 2007 17:27:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2007 12:27:15 EST Subject: Re: Male to Female Voice To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_ca2.1cd6d34c.346ddb73_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 293 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76450 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2007 17:27:28 +0000 (UTC) --part1_ca2.1cd6d34c.346ddb73_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 11/14/07 6:20:32 PM, kkissinger@kevinkissinger.com writes: > Music minus two. > > ouch! "raise em to eat em!".....scoots galore "THOUGHTS ON PETS" www.ct-collective.com http://mysite.verizon.net/vzepmeci/ http://www.myspace.com/klobuchar11 ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com --part1_ca2.1cd6d34c.346ddb73_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
        In a message dated 11/14/07 6:20:32 PM, kkissinger@kevinkissinger.com writes= :


        Music minus two.



        ouch!




        "raise em to eat em!".....scoots galore "THOUGHTS ON PETS"

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        See what's=20= new at http://www.aol.com --part1_ca2.1cd6d34c.346ddb73_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 15 17:45:46 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 996EC3C035; Thu, 15 Nov 2007 17:45:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <0a5c01c827af$58e6a610$7db0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: Subject: Re: Male to Female Voice Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2007 10:45:43 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0A59_01C82774.ABAED330" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76451 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2007 17:45:46 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0A59_01C82774.ABAED330 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Some things to consider. The voiced speech of a typical adult male will have a fundamental = frequency of from 85 to 155 Hz, and that of a typical adult female from = 165 to 255 Hz. Here is an interesting article: = http://members.tgforum.com/jamie/fvoice/femv.html What you might do is some research on the spectral analyses of males and = female voices, and then see what sort of enhancements you might have to = apply to transform your voice. At first glance, I'm guessing you would need some pitch, a set of = bi-quad filters to notch/boost certain key frequencies and frequency = ranges, etc. The human voice is a complicated instrument. The = challenge would be to increase the pitch of your voice without you = sounding like a cartoon character or munchkin. Interesting project. It sound like something a student of max/msp would = do in an advanced college class. Kris ------=_NextPart_000_0A59_01C82774.ABAED330 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
        Some things to = consider.
         
        The voiced speech of a = typical=20 adult male will have a fundamental=20 frequency of from 85 to 155 Hz, and that of a typical adult female = from 165=20 to 255 Hz.
         
        Here is an interesting article: http://members= .tgforum.com/jamie/fvoice/femv.html
         
        What you might do is some research on = the spectral=20 analyses of males and female voices, and then see what sort of = enhancements you=20 might have to apply to transform your voice.
         
        At first glance, I'm guessing you would = need some=20 pitch, a set of bi-quad filters to notch/boost certain key frequencies = and=20 frequency ranges, etc.  The human voice is a complicated=20 instrument.   The challenge would be to increase the pitch of = your=20 voice without you sounding like a cartoon character or = munchkin.
         
        Interesting project. It sound like = something a=20 student of max/msp would do in an advanced college class.
         
        Kris
         
        ------=_NextPart_000_0A59_01C82774.ABAED330-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 15 17:55:56 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2B80F3C028; Thu, 15 Nov 2007 17:55:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.21,421,1188792000"; d="scan'208";a="105162298" X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Ah4FAHYXPEdKgAAT/2dsb2JhbACBXIEYixk Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2007 11:55:54 -0600 From: mwsmart@insightbb.com Subject: Re: Male to Female Voice In-reply-to: <0a5c01c827af$58e6a610$7db0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Sun Java(tm) System Messenger Express 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006) Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_9IITE3kP00P1zVrTh3uk1g)" Content-language: en X-Accept-Language: en Priority: normal References: <0a5c01c827af$58e6a610$7db0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Resent-Message-ID: <4SHpTC.A.lhH.rgIPHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76452 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2007 17:55:56 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_9IITE3kP00P1zVrTh3uk1g) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline Dunno if this helps, but I have a chart up about the formant frequencies for different vowels. I used it to make "Ahhh" choir sounds: http://www.marksmart.net/sounddesign/choirsounds/choirsounds.html Mark Smart http://www.marksmart.net --Boundary_(ID_9IITE3kP00P1zVrTh3uk1g) Content-type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline
        Dunno if this helps, but I have a chart up about the formant frequencies for different vowels. I used it to make "Ahhh" choir sounds:
         
         
        Mark Smart
        --Boundary_(ID_9IITE3kP00P1zVrTh3uk1g)-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 15 18:08:48 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 440243C024; Thu, 15 Nov 2007 18:08:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2007 13:08:42 EST Subject: informal poll To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_c18.224b07c9.346de52a_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 293 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76453 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2007 18:08:48 +0000 (UTC) --part1_c18.224b07c9.346de52a_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit a question for anyone who played y2k7 and the just finished london fest ..... 1. is your set up laptop or hardware (no need to get too philosophical.....:)) 2. did you at any point in your set (s) have problems with your "kit" 1.) hardware 2.) the "THRU/MUTE" button on my rang often gets depressed while traveling, i don't!.....it is always the last fix i think of (from now on it will be the first).....so for the first several mins. of per's and my set, i was at a loss till i hit thru/mute then i was back in biddness.....any problems after this point were mine and not my kit's.....:).....michael www.ct-collective.com http://mysite.verizon.net/vzepmeci/ http://www.myspace.com/klobuchar11 ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com --part1_c18.224b07c9.346de52a_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable a question for anyone who played y2k7 a= nd the just finished london fest .....

        1. is your set up laptop or hardware  (no need to get too philosophica= l.....:))

        2. did you at any point in your set (s) have problems with your "kit"

        1.) hardware

        2.) the "THRU/MUTE" button on my rang often gets depressed while traveling,=20= i don't!.....it is always the last fix i think of  (from now on it wil= l be the first).....so for the first several mins. of per's and my set, i wa= s at a loss till i hit thru/mute then i was back in biddness.....any problem= s after this point were mine and not my kit's.....:).....michael



        www.ct-collective.com
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        See what's=20= new at http://www.aol.com --part1_c18.224b07c9.346de52a_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 15 19:09:48 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1EDE83C023; Thu, 15 Nov 2007 19:09:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <473C9975.70701@post.cybercity.dk> Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2007 20:09:41 +0100 From: van Sinn Organization: van Sinn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: RC-50 and Speed Control References: <001101c8256a$679b2100$1001a8c0@succubus> <058a01c82576$40cb19c0$7db0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <20071113025035.F341E14E24@ns4.tnt21.com> In-Reply-To: <20071113025035.F341E14E24@ns4.tnt21.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76454 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2007 19:09:48 +0000 (UTC) paul wrote: > I'm a bit surprised that no one has brought up the mini pc's from > Cappaccino.com > take a look at this, > http://www.cappuccinopc.com/digitalengine-945fx.asp#pictures > it has support for a mini pci card, 2 gigs of ram, 4 usb ports, 1 > firewire port, dvd rom and is only 6.5" square by 2" deep. Set it up > with a 7" touchscreen which is all you need to see whats going on in > mobius and you have on heck of a looping machine. Interesting, fits in a halfrack slot, and has G-shock specks, which is a Bit unusual and looks good (on paper) for a gigging computer. I wrote them (yesterday) regarding how much space is available for a soundcard on an angled PCI adaptor, but don't expect a suitable answer, especially as it's a miniPCI slot. -- rgds, van Sinn From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 15 20:01:08 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7868A3C01F; Thu, 15 Nov 2007 20:01:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; bh=ZUBOKJr87oKEcXTekykprF1uSuQydTLg52zcfQW5Pw8=; b=B24AYbT2jqdyRDakENfW0i3odyLOuyFsrTL7xlr2nilIh0azM1RNC1ep4E+UU5GsFj5khTBDu2/qq03xqyC/CnaTaBixIsJKh724zpy3Am7WPygHzTKCqgi9IR9x8LcIE03B46PF6CzjhartaZDFyZxL0UGN4LewY4xv60mnkIU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=sxgQpvZE7p4ZLZRxu17VSk23C72KdCLOc5VjXx4UxHC6TnHMjLUgH+ekV7BH01Mzx196XeHK2g81moLyC9ERD5JHo5dnV6I411HMv3/mfqCLMR6OtMjLdjojR822YFbGIMEnjA6X94H1A35Eid8kazlz1ChV/O3zSUSPdAOT1c0= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <000d01c827ac$0d331990$27994cb0$@com> References: <000d01c827ac$0d331990$27994cb0$@com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <73D6FD0A-35A9-40A5-A356-DA634A22F639@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: OT: noatikl , generative music tools? Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2007 21:01:01 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76455 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2007 20:01:08 +0000 (UTC) On 15 nov 2007, at 18.22, Qua Veda wrote: > Hi > Is anyone using Noatikl ? or other 'generative music' tools ? > It seems that Koan made famous by Brian Eno in the 90's, is no > longer in use > these days. I'm sure there are generative music patches available > in Max, > too. Never heard about Noatikl, but of course you can set up generative processes in Max. But you can do that i Ableton Live as well. Whenever there is a random generating module available you can start patching. In Live it's called "Clip Launch Follow Action". The way clips are launched (into play - a clip can be an audio loop, a looped MIDI sequence, a one-shot something, controller data for something else etc etc) can be set with a chosen probability. And there are nine alternatives for where the "play head" shall go next. Numerology is also about to get good randomization. And Mobius have randomization capability in scripting. There are probably many more options that I just don't get to think of right now... Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://www.youtube.com/pellibox (gritty) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 15 20:29:55 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7BC723C02F; Thu, 15 Nov 2007 20:29:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2007 14:29:43 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Mech Subject: Re: informal poll Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76456 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2007 20:29:55 +0000 (UTC) At 1:08 PM -0500 11/15/07, Nemoguitt@aol.com wrote: >a question for anyone who played y2k7 and the just finished london fest ..... > >1. is your set up laptop or hardware (no need to get too >philosophical.....:)) Both. But my laptop went down before I got a chance to use it (see below) so my set actually ended up hardware-only. >2. did you at any point in your set (s) have problems with your "kit" Yes. My first number was solely hardware (VG-99 & Looperlative). I was going to use the laptop only as a sound source (I had a few VSTi's booted for use via MIDI). But when I went to bring up the laptop's audio channel, no sound. :P I spent about 15 seconds (seemed like an eternity) before punting the laptop and moving on, continuing with the hardware-only setup. And that's why you always have multiple backup plans. After the performance, I figured out it was Ableton Live that had screwed me. Due to the compressed set up schedule, I had set up the laptop ahead of time then put it to sleep. However, about twenty minutes after that, I realized there was one quick tweek I needed to make. So I opened the lappie, made the edit and put it back to sleep again. Unfortunately, I woke up the laptop without having the interface attached. Ableton noticed that there was no soundcard, and killed all audio output without giving me any warning. Later, I set up the computer with the soundcard once more attached, but the audio engine was already disabled, so no sound came out. This would've taken all of five seconds to fix, had Live bothered to warn me (which it usually does). I'd imagine my second number would've been a little less "wandering" if I hadn't had to spend a couple minutes figuring out what the hell I was gonna play. Such is the charm of Live Looping, however. ;) --m. -- _____ "I want to keep you alive so there is always the possibility of murder... later" From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 15 20:54:44 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3E6733C02C; Thu, 15 Nov 2007 20:54:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=OZQ1w7Cj+FbnPtKaEq/kXir6aaK9cXWOxAmTz4kdPqF5iPCmXwlPIb2ddpG1B/XF; h=Received:Message-ID:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Message-ID: <009e01c827c9$b554c340$6401a8c0@ECCO> From: "JC" To: Subject: Interactive Graphic/Text/Looping experiment Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2007 12:54:18 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_009B_01C82786.A23396D0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2739.300 X-ELNK-Trace: 250e53821a8c36f54d2b10475b571120036dcd4de9bb73846a3caa4ad99a56eab30a324e9348aff6350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 69.181.225.103 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76457 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2007 20:54:44 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_009B_01C82786.A23396D0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Here's an experiment that you all might be interested in. The experiment is a large flash object. The loops are not "predetermined". Depending on where you go in the object, they will loop and overlap in = different ways. You can go across sections, and they will continue to = overlap for a limited time. http://www.vialuminosa.com/krokos/index.htm If you check it out, let me know what you think. JC Mendizabal Black Note Music http://www.blacknotemusic.com Via Sinistrae www.viasinistrae.com http://sinistrae.libsyn.com/ ------=_NextPart_000_009B_01C82786.A23396D0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
        Here's an experiment that you all might = be=20 interested in.
        The experiment is a large flash=20 object.
        The loops are not = "predetermined".
        Depending on where you go in the = object, they will=20 loop and overlap in different ways. You can go across sections, and they = will=20 continue to overlap for a limited time.
         
        http://www.vialumino= sa.com/krokos/index.htm
         
        If you check it out, let me know what = you=20 think.
         
        JC Mendizabal
        Black Note Music
        http://www.blacknotemusic.com<= BR>Via=20 Sinistrae
        www.viasinistrae.com
        http://sinistrae.libsyn.com/
        ------=_NextPart_000_009B_01C82786.A23396D0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 15 21:16:41 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2FA203C026; Thu, 15 Nov 2007 21:16:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <3817.167.83.10.20.1195161390.squirrel@www.michaelplishka.com> In-Reply-To: <0a5c01c827af$58e6a610$7db0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> References: <0a5c01c827af$58e6a610$7db0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2007 16:16:30 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: Male to Female Voice From: mike@michaelplishka.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.9a MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - server316.tchmachines.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [32166 32167] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - michaelplishka.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76458 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2007 21:16:41 +0000 (UTC) Thanks Kris-very interesting article. There's another basic one here: http://www.xponaut.com/showpage?pid=126 The voicetweaker software essentially does what you are pointing out here. I downloaded it (have yet to buy it) and tried it on a track I knew wasn't in perfect pitch and also used it to transform my voice into a female. It has a setting for "Male to female" and it did surprisingly well in making a female sounding voice. I used it to clean up the pitch as well and it did quite well. A few more tweaks and some verb and it would be very usable. The thing I noticed with this software is that it needs a pitch to start with. If you have some raspiness or some type of crud in your throat it has a tough time fixing/transposing a pitch that is essentially just noise. I could tweak it some more but it was late and after 10 minutes it stops working and I had to restart the program-so I opted for sleep. At $99 it's still not a bad deal. Couple with a $25 program like Clone Ensemble and you might be able to make a pretty cool choir. The project continues... Plish > Some things to consider. > > The voiced speech of a typical adult male will have a fundamental > frequency of from 85 to 155 Hz, and that of a typical adult female from > 165 to 255 Hz. > > Here is an interesting article: > http://members.tgforum.com/jamie/fvoice/femv.html > > What you might do is some research on the spectral analyses of males and > female voices, and then see what sort of enhancements you might have to > apply to transform your voice. > > At first glance, I'm guessing you would need some pitch, a set of bi-quad > filters to notch/boost certain key frequencies and frequency ranges, etc. > The human voice is a complicated instrument. The challenge would be to > increase the pitch of your voice without you sounding like a cartoon > character or munchkin. > > Interesting project. It sound like something a student of max/msp would do > in an advanced college class. > > Kris > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 15 21:23:38 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EFAD73C033; Thu, 15 Nov 2007 21:23:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <0b4601c827cd$c77a5040$7db0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <009e01c827c9$b554c340$6401a8c0@ECCO> Subject: Re: Interactive Graphic/Text/Looping experiment Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2007 14:23:33 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0B43_01C82793.1A2F6A90" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76459 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2007 21:23:37 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0B43_01C82793.1A2F6A90 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Wow, this is very cool. I like it. I'm listening to your sinestrae = podcasts now. Kris Here's an experiment that you all might be interested in. The experiment is a large flash object. The loops are not "predetermined". Depending on where you go in the object, they will loop and overlap in = different ways. You can go across sections, and they will continue to = overlap for a limited time. http://www.vialuminosa.com/krokos/index.htm If you check it out, let me know what you think. JC Mendizabal Black Note Music http://www.blacknotemusic.com Via Sinistrae www.viasinistrae.com http://sinistrae.libsyn.com/ ------=_NextPart_000_0B43_01C82793.1A2F6A90 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
        Wow, this is very cool. I like it. I'm = listening to=20 your sinestrae podcasts now.
         
        Kris
         
         

        Here's an experiment that you all = might be=20 interested in.
        The experiment is a large flash=20 object.
        The loops are not = "predetermined".
        Depending on where you go in the = object, they=20 will loop and overlap in different ways. You can go across sections, = and they=20 will continue to overlap for a limited time.
         
        http://www.vialumino= sa.com/krokos/index.htm
         
        If you check it out, let me know what = you=20 think.
         
        JC Mendizabal
        Black Note = Music
        http://www.blacknotemusic.com<= BR>Via=20 Sinistrae
        www.viasinistrae.com
        http://sinistrae.libsyn.com/
        ------=_NextPart_000_0B43_01C82793.1A2F6A90-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 15 21:33:56 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 228003C037; Thu, 15 Nov 2007 21:33:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 406 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Thu, 15 Nov 2007 21:33:54 UTC DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=965JTi3WhopoFT8MO3Y+p6ifRFcaPj9QbWWyOCbeU5A=; b=jSN3qP53zRXhTdBiZay2afljLsS5aGBkv+/xy1CHTkTD01GxyQcPDdUQaBDTsui95D3m2R8q1n5eVWMP3nPP2YTmMkWhxGwayur/wjRB7oyS/68cxs0NOCQig5crANVoEMlcKa5mFLwytjfolWbUin5U/TDe6AINC66MwJHUeTI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=dsgFY5T4H7/+5uYplLE4gMC5SR2MlJk67B+O/kSjal4Pbcps7t+HP8vkDxW40PnCvdty2dUOQAw8+Q1FFeKvwFmdoQYaxXJU54Z5JmChK2zkhgOr+JC3HFa/oklLjZyvu4xErNxSO8xYx6Go40cubImYEqoS4xR4CA9ajQI/Q8o= Message-ID: Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2007 13:27:04 -0800 From: "Michael Billow" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Male to Female Voice In-Reply-To: <3817.167.83.10.20.1195161390.squirrel@www.michaelplishka.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_8207_24494439.1195162025331" References: <0a5c01c827af$58e6a610$7db0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <3817.167.83.10.20.1195161390.squirrel@www.michaelplishka.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76460 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2007 21:33:56 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_8207_24494439.1195162025331 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Most sound blaster cards like the Audigy series, or SBLive have pitch changing software that comes with it. They run under 100, but you can find one used for about 10 bucks. On Nov 15, 2007 1:16 PM, wrote: > Thanks Kris-very interesting article. > > There's another basic one here: > http://www.xponaut.com/showpage?pid=126 > > The voicetweaker software essentially does what you are pointing out here. > I downloaded it (have yet to buy it) and tried it on a track I knew wasn't > in perfect pitch and also used it to transform my voice into a female. It > has a setting for "Male to female" and it did surprisingly well in making > a female sounding voice. I used it to clean up the pitch as well and it > did quite well. A few more tweaks and some verb and it would be very > usable. The thing I noticed with this software is that it needs a pitch to > start with. If you have some raspiness or some type of crud in your > throat it has a tough time fixing/transposing a pitch that is essentially > just noise. I could tweak it some more but it was late and after 10 > minutes it stops working and I had to restart the program-so I opted for > sleep. > > At $99 it's still not a bad deal. Couple with a $25 program like Clone > Ensemble and you might be able to make a pretty cool choir. > > The project continues... > > Plish > > > > > Some things to consider. > > > > The voiced speech of a typical adult male will have a fundamental > > frequency of from 85 to 155 Hz, and that of a typical adult female from > > 165 to 255 Hz. > > > > Here is an interesting article: > > http://members.tgforum.com/jamie/fvoice/femv.html > > > > What you might do is some research on the spectral analyses of males and > > female voices, and then see what sort of enhancements you might have to > > apply to transform your voice. > > > > At first glance, I'm guessing you would need some pitch, a set of > bi-quad > > filters to notch/boost certain key frequencies and frequency ranges, > etc. > > The human voice is a complicated instrument. The challenge would be to > > increase the pitch of your voice without you sounding like a cartoon > > character or munchkin. > > > > Interesting project. It sound like something a student of max/msp would > do > > in an advanced college class. > > > > Kris > > > > ------=_Part_8207_24494439.1195162025331 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Most sound blaster cards like the Audigy series, or SBLive have pitch changing software that comes with it. They run under 100, but you can find one used for about 10 bucks.

        On Nov 15, 2007 1:16 PM, < mike@michaelplishka.com> wrote:
        Thanks Kris-very interesting article.

        There's another basic one here:
        http://www.xponaut.com/showpage?pid=126

        The voicetweaker software essentially does what you are pointing out here.
        I downloaded it (have yet to buy it) and tried it on a track I knew wasn't
        in perfect pitch and also used it to transform my voice into a female.  It
        has a setting for "Male to female" and it did surprisingly well in making
        a female sounding voice.  I used it to clean up the pitch as well and it
        did quite well. A few more tweaks and some verb and it would be very
        usable. The thing I noticed with this software is that it needs a pitch to
        start with.  If you have some raspiness or some type of crud in your
        throat it has a tough time fixing/transposing a pitch that is essentially
        just noise.  I could tweak it some more but it was late and after 10
        minutes it stops working and I had to restart the program-so I opted for
        sleep.

        At $99 it's still not a bad deal.  Couple with a $25 program like  Clone
        Ensemble and you might be able to make a pretty cool choir.

        The project continues...

        Plish



        > Some things to consider.
        >
        > The voiced speech of a typical adult male will have a fundamental
        > frequency of from 85 to 155 Hz, and that of a typical adult female from
        > 165 to 255 Hz.
        >
        > Here is an interesting article:
        > http://members.tgforum.com/jamie/fvoice/femv.html
        >
        > What you might do is some research on the spectral analyses of males and
        > female voices, and then see what sort of enhancements you might have to
        > apply to transform your voice.
        >
        > At first glance, I'm guessing you would need some pitch, a set of bi-quad
        > filters to notch/boost certain key frequencies and frequency ranges, etc.
        > The human voice is a complicated instrument.   The challenge would be to
        > increase the pitch of your voice without you sounding like a cartoon
        > character or munchkin.
        >
        > Interesting project. It sound like something a student of max/msp would do
        > in an advanced college class.
        >
        > Kris
        >


        ------=_Part_8207_24494439.1195162025331-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 15 21:48:09 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DAB2E3C038; Thu, 15 Nov 2007 21:48:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <473CBE93.5080005@post.cybercity.dk> Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2007 22:48:03 +0100 From: van Sinn Organization: van Sinn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Interactive Graphic/Text/Looping experiment References: <009e01c827c9$b554c340$6401a8c0@ECCO> In-Reply-To: <009e01c827c9$b554c340$6401a8c0@ECCO> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <6CXKkD.A.QuC.Z6LPHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76461 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2007 21:48:09 +0000 (UTC) JC wrote: > Here's an experiment that you all might be interested in. > The experiment is a large flash object. > The loops are not "predetermined". > Depending on where you go in the object, they will loop and overlap in > different ways. You can go across sections, and they will continue to > overlap for a limited time. > > http://www.vialuminosa.com/krokos/index.htm > > If you check it out, let me know what you think. Sorry, but after Loading 1..100%, I got a black screen with text, and for the 6-8 mins I waited, the browser just said Transferring data.. No data transfer in progress, though; a tcpdump showed no activity. -- rgds, van Sinn From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 15 21:57:41 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 652173C03A; Thu, 15 Nov 2007 21:57:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=EXHccxxZ1IcNM02UucCEDw2qhBcZHdrxWg09gK5MFC7X9BEzn/PmNTyiZvEXKKuc; h=Received:Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Message-ID: <00d201c827d2$809457c0$6401a8c0@ECCO> From: "JC" To: References: <009e01c827c9$b554c340$6401a8c0@ECCO> <473CBE93.5080005@post.cybercity.dk> Subject: Re: Interactive Graphic/Text/Looping experiment Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2007 13:56:13 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2739.300 X-ELNK-Trace: 250e53821a8c36f54d2b10475b571120036dcd4de9bb73846a040a8cf298ebe8892e2cd035b31e3f350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 69.181.225.103 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76462 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2007 21:57:41 +0000 (UTC) When you get the "black screen with text", you can click on the different options and you should get sound, graphics and text. JC Mendizabal Black Note Music http://www.blacknotemusic.com Via Sinistrae www.viasinistrae.com http://sinistrae.libsyn.com/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "van Sinn" To: Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2007 1:48 PM Subject: Re: Interactive Graphic/Text/Looping experiment > JC wrote: > > Here's an experiment that you all might be interested in. > > The experiment is a large flash object. > > The loops are not "predetermined". > > Depending on where you go in the object, they will loop and overlap in > > different ways. You can go across sections, and they will continue to > > overlap for a limited time. > > > > http://www.vialuminosa.com/krokos/index.htm > > > > If you check it out, let me know what you think. > > > Sorry, but after Loading 1..100%, I got a black screen with text, and > for the 6-8 mins I waited, the browser just said Transferring data.. > No data transfer in progress, though; a tcpdump showed no activity. > > -- > rgds, > van Sinn > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 15 21:57:42 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 418113C045; Thu, 15 Nov 2007 21:57:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=Xbmow/3Vo7NskCwTgjJkO1+9wU+w6B/PUG2glBLDGQeJu2VhcknHmcMZw28j4Y30; h=Received:Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Message-ID: <00d301c827d2$80ea3ff0$6401a8c0@ECCO> From: "JC" To: References: <009e01c827c9$b554c340$6401a8c0@ECCO> <0b4601c827cd$c77a5040$7db0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Subject: Re: Interactive Graphic/Text/Looping experiment Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2007 13:57:16 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00CF_01C8278F.6E3DF560" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2739.300 X-ELNK-Trace: 250e53821a8c36f54d2b10475b571120036dcd4de9bb738481e4eb847dd4fd8d209402ecef708e7d350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 69.181.225.103 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76463 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2007 21:57:42 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00CF_01C8278F.6E3DF560 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Kris, Thanks for the good feedback.=20 Glad to hear that it worked well for you. JC Mendizabal Black Note Music http://www.blacknotemusic.com Via Sinistrae www.viasinistrae.com http://sinistrae.libsyn.com/ ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Krispen Hartung=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2007 1:23 PM Subject: Re: Interactive Graphic/Text/Looping experiment Wow, this is very cool. I like it. I'm listening to your sinestrae = podcasts now. Kris Here's an experiment that you all might be interested in. The experiment is a large flash object. The loops are not "predetermined". Depending on where you go in the object, they will loop and overlap = in different ways. You can go across sections, and they will continue to = overlap for a limited time. http://www.vialuminosa.com/krokos/index.htm If you check it out, let me know what you think. JC Mendizabal Black Note Music http://www.blacknotemusic.com Via Sinistrae www.viasinistrae.com http://sinistrae.libsyn.com/ ------=_NextPart_000_00CF_01C8278F.6E3DF560 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
        Hi Kris,
         
        Thanks for the good feedback. =
        Glad to hear that it worked well for=20 you.
         
        JC Mendizabal
        Black Note Music
        http://www.blacknotemusic.com<= BR>Via=20 Sinistrae
        www.viasinistrae.com
        http://sinistrae.libsyn.com/
        ----- Original Message -----
        From:=20 Krispen=20 Hartung
        To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
        Sent: Thursday, November 15, = 2007 1:23=20 PM
        Subject: Re: Interactive=20 Graphic/Text/Looping experiment

        Wow, this is very cool. I like it. = I'm listening=20 to your sinestrae podcasts now.
         
        Kris
         
         

        Here's an experiment that you all = might be=20 interested in.
        The experiment is a large flash=20 object.
        The loops are not = "predetermined".
        Depending on where you go in the = object, they=20 will loop and overlap in different ways. You can go across sections, = and=20 they will continue to overlap for a limited time.
         
        http://www.vialumino= sa.com/krokos/index.htm
         
        If you check it out, let me know = what you=20 think.
         
        JC Mendizabal
        Black Note = Music
        http://www.blacknotemusic.com<= BR>Via=20 Sinistrae
        www.viasinistrae.com
        http://sinistrae.libsyn.com/
        ------=_NextPart_000_00CF_01C8278F.6E3DF560-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 15 22:22:41 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D23D03C03D; Thu, 15 Nov 2007 22:22:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <473CC6AC.1070104@post.cybercity.dk> Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2007 23:22:36 +0100 From: van Sinn Organization: van Sinn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight Subject: OT: New Gibson with 6 preset tunings Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76464 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2007 22:22:41 +0000 (UTC) http://www.gibson.com/robotguitar/story.html Pretty interesting.. Dunno about the name for it; maybe really suitable for loopers :-D -- rgds, van Sinn From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 15 22:29:17 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5AB543C03F; Thu, 15 Nov 2007 22:29:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=4QwJrwaH02YM5zKPvnPAS+8owMVlhwq6rCxAncs7s+s=; b=ZeYBQTUu1BbSnx6RNW8IXCee0mGBduFo7gR2LUOF1KP9PcU2fJ8BUCu3RfWC2JVJYIlhnp/iTZp5hT6bX3u5nxhq3MOyyptF2AVg98QE4ZoD+gc9K2xtt835HIPzL4dkvDTBYhtD9YbE7eX9MztIJWzrC/L73NSfCSuNXhUHpzA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=SiCkXlJd50GgwFGv2uqjNuP2yJBOX8e2ZynxDZSscWEr22DScVTUQo/3ldCx+f58wwDRp5BVqko9ittw7Mxj9F/MAosczClNrnUpH89ED9KcwSD/5HSDfOqVHsKNckfPLXU0Tej2MraDWNkKn7CRjOHJ4g+3CaEOVqz0IvTCimQ= Message-ID: Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2007 14:29:15 -0800 From: "Michael Billow" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Interactive Graphic/Text/Looping experiment In-Reply-To: <00d301c827d2$80ea3ff0$6401a8c0@ECCO> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_8393_18351501.1195165755387" References: <009e01c827c9$b554c340$6401a8c0@ECCO> <0b4601c827cd$c77a5040$7db0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <00d301c827d2$80ea3ff0$6401a8c0@ECCO> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76465 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2007 22:29:17 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_8393_18351501.1195165755387 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Well designed, well executed. Gratifying and not boring. On Nov 15, 2007 1:57 PM, JC wrote: > Hi Kris, > > Thanks for the good feedback. > Glad to hear that it worked well for you. > > JC Mendizabal > Black Note Music > http://www.blacknotemusic.com > Via Sinistrae > www.viasinistrae.com > http://sinistrae.libsyn.com/ > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* Krispen Hartung > *To:* Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > *Sent:* Thursday, November 15, 2007 1:23 PM > *Subject:* Re: Interactive Graphic/Text/Looping experiment > > Wow, this is very cool. I like it. I'm listening to your sinestrae > podcasts now. > > Kris > > > > > Here's an experiment that you all might be interested in. > The experiment is a large flash object. > The loops are not "predetermined". > Depending on where you go in the object, they will loop and overlap in > different ways. You can go across sections, and they will continue to > overlap for a limited time. > > http://www.vialuminosa.com/krokos/index.htm > > If you check it out, let me know what you think. > > JC Mendizabal > Black Note Music > http://www.blacknotemusic.com > Via Sinistrae > www.viasinistrae.com > http://sinistrae.libsyn.com/ > > ------=_Part_8393_18351501.1195165755387 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Well designed, well executed. Gratifying and not boring.

        On Nov 15, 2007 1:57 PM, JC <jcmg@earthlink.net> wrote:
        Hi Kris,
         
        Thanks for the good feedback.
        Glad to hear that it worked well for you.
         
        ----- Original Message -----
        Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2007 1:23 PM
        Subject: Re: Interactive Graphic/Text/Looping experiment

        Wow, this is very cool. I like it. I'm listening to your sinestrae podcasts now.
         
        Kris
         
         

        Here's an experiment that you all might be interested in.
        The experiment is a large flash object.
        The loops are not "predetermined".
        Depending on where you go in the object, they will loop and overlap in different ways. You can go across sections, and they will continue to overlap for a limited time.
         
         
        If you check it out, let me know what you think.
         

        ------=_Part_8393_18351501.1195165755387-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 15 22:36:36 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 970543C047; Thu, 15 Nov 2007 22:36:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <473CC9EE.5030500@post.cybercity.dk> Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2007 23:36:30 +0100 From: van Sinn Organization: van Sinn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Interactive Graphic/Text/Looping experiment References: <009e01c827c9$b554c340$6401a8c0@ECCO> <473CBE93.5080005@post.cybercity.dk> <00d201c827d2$809457c0$6401a8c0@ECCO> In-Reply-To: <00d201c827d2$809457c0$6401a8c0@ECCO> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76466 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2007 22:36:36 +0000 (UTC) JC wrote: > When you get the "black screen with text", you can click on the different > options and you should get sound, graphics and text. Ahh! I only had the mouse over the centre with no links. So much for being am IT dude ;) Very interesting.. Next step is having mapped/navigatable images to influence the looping material - as in interactive film experiments, where the audience makes up the course. sort of.. Actually, I hereby formerly suggest a looping fest, where the audience walks around between.. whatever.. and by touching, moving, rate of change in body posture et al.. influence what gets produced live by several loopers, working in avant garde style. Infrared detectors, air pressure detectors, motion detectors.. all linked to.. something.. analyzing the audience. Absolutely no idea what I'm specifically talking about, but sounds cool! > From: "van Sinn" > >>JC wrote: >> >>>Here's an experiment that you all might be interested in. >>>The experiment is a large flash object. >>>The loops are not "predetermined". >>>Depending on where you go in the object, they will loop and overlap in >>>different ways. You can go across sections, and they will continue to >>>overlap for a limited time. >>> >>>http://www.vialuminosa.com/krokos/index.htm >>> >>>If you check it out, let me know what you think. >> >> >>Sorry, but after Loading 1..100%, I got a black screen with text, and >>for the 6-8 mins I waited, the browser just said Transferring data.. >>No data transfer in progress, though; a tcpdump showed no activity. -- rgds, van Sinn From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 16 00:28:34 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CE5273C03C; Fri, 16 Nov 2007 00:28:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=u6Lsv7u+zvdLiKC5/gYzg/1JhFFA4wEfPI1ZQkS3MfNW/cFy6gKXOrc4KoP0rdFy2Fe9DwWBnbDTBE5E+QRICJbGXRkMVPwjGn/39xJHII4jwd9Ux71bB9nC200WcbBPAhu3fBCvz/yFtBclF0rUB0CVNwAECW20es9nETe2XwM=; X-YMail-OSG: 2B8ZRbUVM1lMqmHvb8n_Xfu00sgIA4dkw_CMqwOl8BSI9kaoPY1w7Jfp9g3GV8MTgHx8I_IhwtyycA9MWVEeFCvFDtI_Stqhj0n3793YUaM3bNdLcus- Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2007 16:28:32 -0800 (PST) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: Re: OT: New Gibson with 6 preset tunings To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <473CC6AC.1070104@post.cybercity.dk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <69243.56227.qm@web38607.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76467 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 00:28:34 +0000 (UTC) aha,transperformance came up with the concept quite a while ago just ask jimmy page: http://transperformance.com/index2.htm price is key... Luis --- van Sinn wrote: > http://www.gibson.com/robotguitar/story.html > > > Pretty interesting.. > Dunno about the name for it; maybe really suitable > for loopers :-D > > -- > rgds, > van Sinn > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom ____________________________________________________________________________________ Get easy, one-click access to your favorites. 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(Foundation officer) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 16 09:51:20 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 18A893C041; Fri, 16 Nov 2007 09:51:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references:x-google-sender-auth; bh=aFrNk0VX9wMOLUjvx2tN8jDyyEgOs4b0zm2xEo0oIVM=; b=CAjpPuuomnwXHtZpYSzWq8HJfbviwztpCyjpjY5uew0AXncvDy/YQbINn/WO6/LxOin52uP6KpVrj/j+GrVQr1evsvdk9ISlc39WtNGUok7Ys+zgsysoH6Kx1W76JIOAhVrNAp4DK81chqnrHhAPhFpcYNePmewUxfB7wOFv/c8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=fP6DRZeQrvvRSoXiAnIlr1SANNKZu303w+vhqAaGrTxWYpW8bsra5o4Rs+/45X4LAGXyOTmutQSGMtfULHpYoS72Q9u13Iz3DPQBzeqtAFqxB6vuiyhnusD8rTqAPcfNoux1QUnjo7GtbtkkRv5Ls6nBJrRDpJ1oK+PMuE0fwH0= Message-ID: Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 09:51:17 +0000 From: Os Sender: expertsleepers@googlemail.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: gig tonight (14th) London UK - Michael Peters, Darkroom, Andrew Booker In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: X-Google-Sender-Auth: 8dc6ee6e0a7c875b Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76468 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 09:51:20 +0000 (UTC) First audio snippet is up, and it's a good one: http://www.improvizone.com/track.php?id=64 cheers, os. On 15/11/2007, Raul Bonell wrote: > enjoyed the pics! > also video to come? greeeeat! > > raul. > > 2007/11/15, Os : > > photos here: > > > > > http://www.flickr.com/photos/monkeysorama/sets/72157603189886365/ > > > > video and audio to come! > > > > > > cheers, > > os. > > > > > > On 15/11/2007, Raul Bonell wrote: > > > No more patience here! > > > Any recordings, photos of the Improvizone 10th... > > > > > > I hope we could taste a bit ... > > > > > > Raul. > > > > > > 2007/11/14, Os < os@collective.co.uk>: > > > > More info: > > > > http://www.improvizone.com/post.php?id=107 > > > > > > > > For the technically inclined, Andrew posted a wiring diagram for the > > > > gig on his blog (!): > > > > http://www.improvizone.com/post.php?id=110 > > > > > > > > > > > > cheers, > > > > os. > > > > > > > > -- > > > > os@collective.co.uk > > > > http://www.collective.co.uk/ > > > > http://www.myspace.com/darkroomtheband > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > The Playing Orchestra: > http://www.telefonica.net/web2/tpo > > > Chain Tape Collective: http://www.ct-collective.com > > > TPO at myspace: > http://www.myspace.com/theplayingorchestra > > > > > > -- > > os@collective.co.uk > > http://www.collective.co.uk/ > > http://www.myspace.com/darkroomtheband > > > > > > > > -- > > The Playing Orchestra: http://www.telefonica.net/web2/tpo > Chain Tape Collective: http://www.ct-collective.com > TPO at myspace: http://www.myspace.com/theplayingorchestra -- os@collective.co.uk http://www.collective.co.uk/ http://www.myspace.com/darkroomtheband From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 16 10:17:40 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 925213C039; Fri, 16 Nov 2007 10:17:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; bh=FwF5O/RP0NzDBnzKgndpLXvmArvy7LeWmuGrEGGtif4=; b=s6mvOezoUZI9ta7YsgM4Sr3OpIdflwae6zsoqbwKu9XIEqrjV3IvoBDew3NI5cgFsulrOcdcydufxXCRbFsTPc3wjqTvftMGKElUafVc6CAE/dXvAIGk171uGyZJCOjWX1X2DHug11qeTuVumQMo83hP6XQZSA7kOAgsCybrb2s= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=D6MomG6zoRcIRn2IgdSexZo0/K5Z4GOdzOM85wV0rmtrQTs1YdZNmA2YNM38KXAG1ouOfEDyRzwxed6vGQDkz4j3O3Y+As7KmEfQGWngLQRVESJNKbjB8fpwbExCOZjkxH1Wtk+TD18eE+Adlabhn+klFXTCqIbedhMixkhNrXQ= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <542A4D0C-D8C9-4C31-B8D3-634A3B773300@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: gig tonight (14th) London UK - Michael Peters, Darkroom, Andrew Booker Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 11:17:33 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76469 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 10:17:40 +0000 (UTC) On 16 nov 2007, at 10.51, Os wrote: > First audio snippet is up, and it's a good one: > http://www.improvizone.com/track.php?id=64 Yep, agreed that it's a good one ;-) Thanks. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://www.youtube.com/pellibox (gritty) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 16 10:41:37 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 930473C04C; Fri, 16 Nov 2007 10:41:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <473D73D9.5020000@post.cybercity.dk> Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 11:41:29 +0100 From: van Sinn Organization: van Sinn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: New Gibson with 6 preset tunings References: <69243.56227.qm@web38607.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <69243.56227.qm@web38607.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76470 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 10:41:37 +0000 (UTC) L.A. Angulo wrote: > aha,transperformance came up with the concept quite a > while ago > just ask jimmy page: > http://transperformance.com/index2.htm > price is key... Yup, 8-10 years ago. IIRC, 128 settings can be stored in that system. The controls looks really ugly, but it lets you change tunings _while_ playing. I saw a vid on the tele where Page demo'ed it; very impressive hitting a chord and retune for a completely different expression.. I've wanted one of those ever since, but the price penalty.. well.. The Gibson system takes seconds to change tuning. Looks elegant though, and somewhat more affordable. Probably won't be made retrofitable.. > --- van Sinn wrote: > > >>http://www.gibson.com/robotguitar/story.html >> >> >>Pretty interesting.. >>Dunno about the name for it; maybe really suitable >>for loopers :-D -- rgds, van Sinn From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 16 12:41:03 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 80C7C3C049; Fri, 16 Nov 2007 12:41:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 13:40:58 +0100 (MET) Message-Id: <200711161240.lAGCewGE015334@post.webmailer.de> X-Authentication-Warning: sek.store: httpd set sender to rs@moinlabs.de using -f To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: rs@moinlabs.de Subject: informal poll X-Priority: 3 X-Abuse: 512675 / 192.109.190.88 X-RZG-MBID: 0AP3TDtljfgdCQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-RZG-CLASS-ID: em07 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76471 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 12:41:03 +0000 (UTC) I'll be chiming in here, 'though I played neither y2k7 nor london (but I pl= ayed y2k6 and will share the experiences here). >1. is your set up laptop or hardware (no need to get too=20 >philosophical.....:)) Computer setup, hardware backup setup (you know the backup setup btw, I sho= wed it to you). >2. did you at any point in your set (s) have problems with your "kit" Twice. It happened at the two times where for one reason or another I hadn'= t set up my backup setup. During the set at Anno Domini (San Jos=E9), which our own Dennis Montgomery= later quoted at "the best thing that ever happened in downtown San Jos=E9"= (thanks for that assessment, Dennis!), the laptop crashed major-league at = the beginning of the second tune, outputting a sustained tone and not react= ing to anything. Fortunately, the audience joined my in some fake-overtone-= singing on top of that (thanks Per for that idea there!) until I had my com= puter restarted. During the set at the main festival (Alchemy), the amplifier modeler plugin= locked up the system. This happens sometimes, and the workaround is to swi= tch it off (the computer still reacts to MIDI commands and executes them) a= nd continue without it - which I did for the remainder of the set. So no di= storted sounds, wah effects etc. for the rest of the set (but something whi= ch I regard as nice music - check out "The Streets" in the mp3 section of = the y2k6 documentation on y2kloopfest.com). Rainer From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 16 13:15:16 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DDF793C051; Fri, 16 Nov 2007 13:15:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-priority:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; bh=iUSYfDdJsn0RAUmVprnjv8aV35Gnf/GZX4nK8giNDIg=; b=T+7o6/cEJHr1aYHYEV/esDhATJrIWNqx2mnECwq6aNfu/oBeEH4E65/breWN0J/VeYosJChFKLMIS+eyBXsRsz/gnLgFwvi5eD9qgGrH0XjFRzy9dWi1o5cA1JavTqqv+ooMmdCOaoEZwlWhfkymEMpmsO7wCxrmhIfm0p9JAAI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-priority:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=Rh80hLi/k/UmQ6cKnMVA25rmoGJrFqS4G0168+UiV1g7MXYWP9uQyUVDrdDlLvUI6J7UI7ZSIxwIYhFcfg128zU06/XTdVuqgMGJoLUTfA5sp4SX2/Zc0yoieOgcX+FMdlsq9J49Z9HOjAe+stbBtS/w3ftSDMM5c1QEyovEFTI= In-Reply-To: <200711161240.lAGCewGE015334@post.webmailer.de> References: <200711161240.lAGCewGE015334@post.webmailer.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: informal poll Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 14:15:09 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76472 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 13:15:16 +0000 (UTC) >> 2. did you at any point in your set (s) have problems with your "kit" Yes. When starting the Kloboy set a MIDI cable was not working. The MIDI cable between my MIDI foot controller and my laptop. As a typical musician I was bringing a spare MIDI cable - and as a typical human I kept that spare MIDI cable inside my gear trunk, that was locked and used to staple sound card and all kind of delicate stuff upon. Had to kick the MIDI cable around into a position where the broken leaders regain contact. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://www.youtube.com/pellibox (gritty) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 16 14:33:30 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AAB123C04A; Fri, 16 Nov 2007 14:33:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <473DA9ED.2020301@post.cybercity.dk> Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 15:32:13 +0100 From: van Sinn Organization: van Sinn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: EHX 2880 Midi References: <20071114235444.26F863BFEC@arsenic.violacea.com> In-Reply-To: <20071114235444.26F863BFEC@arsenic.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76473 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 14:33:30 +0000 (UTC) murkie wrote: > email EH. they will email the zip to you. Did, but so far only got an ack mail from them. I don't have the thingy, just interested in what's possible.. Anyone care to mail me the firmware update specs/docs ? (delete the noyoudont part) -- rgds, van Sinn From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 16 14:39:14 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6973D3C053; Fri, 16 Nov 2007 14:39:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <473DAB8E.7030902@post.cybercity.dk> Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 15:39:10 +0100 From: van Sinn Organization: van Sinn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight Subject: EH 2880 notes Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76474 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 14:39:14 +0000 (UTC) I made some comments while close reading the manual. Comments? I'm aware some things may have changed with the firmware mentioned in another thread. Notes on Electro Harmonix 2880 looper Manual pp 10: Feedback control is partly possible. While overdubbing, previous contents can be set to fade out with each loop. No direct way of simply activating a 'loop fade-out' function is available, but can maybe be emulated using overdup without actually recording new material. Manual pp 13: The designated 2880 Foot Controller provides buttons for: New Loop, Record, Play, Track Select, Reverse, Octave Most buttons and faders et al.. still needs to be operated before being possible to use the Foot Controller. Manual pp 19: In punch-in mode, hitting Record will immidiately start overwriting a track at the location where Record is hit. It isn't possible to activate recording and just punch in replacement material in bits where appropriate; IOW, 2880 doesn't have an input threshold detection mechanism. Just be ready and record! Manual pp 23: 2880 has only a very basic MIDI implementation: Sync, Start/Stop (recording), and Song Position Pointer. Any mode buttons, mix/control faders et al.. needs to be manually pressed before using the sparse MIDI commands. It's strange not even the full Foot Controller functionality is MIDI available. When used with an external MIDI Clock Master device not sending contineous clock, the 2880 will still sync, but may lag behind. Manual - nowhere: It's clear the 2880 doesn't store any settings upon power-off, i.e. any use must be setup after each power-on by operating buttons and faders. Conclusion: The 2880 is useful from the desk, on/at a keyboard and such, or with it's designated Foot Controller, though this will still only provide limited remote control. -- rgds, van Sinn From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 16 14:52:27 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5E2C63C05C; Fri, 16 Nov 2007 14:52:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 400 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Fri, 16 Nov 2007 14:52:26 UTC DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.ca; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=Nyc+kdbyv8LsIOQwm99AnLgQL4uq7DwsRZwvPjKR2Mi7rRCpo/xh+OgKXM61O7FiCXH5LfsiEL4aXq147P/57uqyZw1qHVK0o7UZQ+c5Pks3UcFTgFO9tJFn+YQpv4jVtgQajW+mC1yMCyC2R3U68OZ+c+kseCLb3VbeKinjAZY=; X-YMail-OSG: FK0X8m8VM1l4aK219ukv1sCKVhuqPhd73oBsP0enRBD1S4qbf5IVumsJTsYXVkNfMSU7IcWPHCYB6jP2UC.xlAOtL3q1UC5VVy7UstjKL5OfEz_.hKLu5aSRXXmMSA-- Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 09:45:44 -0500 (EST) From: bradm Subject: Boss RC-2 for a beginner? To: Looper's Delight MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <944395.10711.qm@web33101.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76475 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 14:52:27 +0000 (UTC) Hi. I'm new to the list, though I've read the LD web page a few times, and love it as a resource. I noticed that a local shop has a Boss RC-2 for CDN$150, and I was thinking about picking it up, as a basic/beginner looper. I'm mainly interested in laying down simple repetitive lines (I play rhythm guitar in a funk band, and so could use it to "play" some of my lines; I also want to try using it solo in the basement, as a foundation to play on top of), and it looks like the RC-2 will do what I want (and more, but I can't seem to find a simpler looper). I've never done any looping, so want a simple unit that I can try/explore, to get a feel for the process before (possibly) moving up to something more capable (and complicated). Would this be a good purchase for what I want? Thanks, Brad Ask a question on any topic and get answers from real people. Go to Yahoo! Answers and share what you know at http://ca.answers.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 16 15:04:16 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B8A803C046; Fri, 16 Nov 2007 15:04:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 10:04:02 -0500 From: "William Hardy" Subject: RE: Boss RC-2 for a beginner? In-reply-to: <944395.10711.qm@web33101.mail.mud.yahoo.com> To: Message-id: <005e01c82861$ecfecf00$c6fc6d00$@net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-language: en-us Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Thread-index: AcgoYE8ncDpDMvcAS9WRaIrEedaFcAAAVPCw References: <944395.10711.qm@web33101.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: <5XH9YB.A.q1D.wFbPHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76476 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 15:04:16 +0000 (UTC) I have had one and enjoy it for simple looping and practice. It also has some drum stuff on it, not great sounding, but lots of fun. It is not as good for live stuff, as the controls are so small. I think that it is a good, fun beginning looping device. -----Original Message----- From: bradm [mailto:bradmcmail@yahoo.ca] Sent: Friday, November 16, 2007 9:46 AM To: Looper's Delight Subject: Boss RC-2 for a beginner? Hi. I'm new to the list, though I've read the LD web page a few times, and love it as a resource. I noticed that a local shop has a Boss RC-2 for CDN$150, and I was thinking about picking it up, as a basic/beginner looper. I'm mainly interested in laying down simple repetitive lines (I play rhythm guitar in a funk band, and so could use it to "play" some of my lines; I also want to try using it solo in the basement, as a foundation to play on top of), and it looks like the RC-2 will do what I want (and more, but I can't seem to find a simpler looper). I've never done any looping, so want a simple unit that I can try/explore, to get a feel for the process before (possibly) moving up to something more capable (and complicated). Would this be a good purchase for what I want? Thanks, Brad Ask a question on any topic and get answers from real people. Go to Yahoo! Answers and share what you know at http://ca.answers.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 16 15:07:39 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DEA663C066; Fri, 16 Nov 2007 15:07:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=TDmvLMDEi0+vrzlWQ4/vtdZZ8V7ZOJt1xrynHEagoLkSusNaVrN3SM4M+xbOhDb0iuZf7wX4bkf3nwiGs3WMmR3CW72VgTyY6l7mK8b0TTkVyPmv5fKXHZMhxbbC5L0GCx7B687wymf30HqQtv4TsU27ts7qAWBPR8WVryclfdU=; X-YMail-OSG: I2FJuc0VM1kbSA1ydU2qVDFBzL01COomaN7sJS4PdxgfES6_TQe_kNafcC89RkYaabczDTq3FiGnBjNdR5B16acfzjtSHCsRQODugPVUN_DNfVkqlTbiQJday7Ogm_gLsSPHKEPscuP1MXw- Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 07:07:38 -0800 (PST) From: Stephen Scott Subject: Re: EH 2880 notes To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <473DAB8E.7030902@post.cybercity.dk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1043492117-1195225658=:46486" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <623120.46486.qm@web53010.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76477 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 15:07:39 +0000 (UTC) --0-1043492117-1195225658=:46486 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit van Sinn wrote:editted.... Manual pp 13: The designated 2880 Foot Controller provides buttons for: New Loop, Record, Play, Track Select, Reverse, Octave Most buttons and faders et al.. still needs to be operated before being possible to use the Foot Controller. Manual pp 19: In punch-in mode, hitting Record will immidiately start overwriting a track at the location where Record is hit. It isn't possible to activate recording and just punch in replacement material in bits where appropriate; IOW, 2880 doesn't have an input threshold detection mechanism. Just be ready and record! Am I correct in thinking that it's impossible to 'punch in' using the foot controller ? If so, this is an unbelievable oversight. Stephen --------------------------------- Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. --0-1043492117-1195225658=:46486 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit

        van Sinn <vansinn@post.cybercity.dk> wrote:
        editted....

        Manual pp 13:
        The designated 2880 Foot Controller provides buttons for:
        New Loop, Record, Play, Track Select, Reverse, Octave
        Most buttons and faders et al.. still needs to be operated before being
        possible to use the Foot Controller.

        Manual pp 19:
        In punch-in mode, hitting Record will immidiately start overwriting a
        track at the location where Record is hit. It isn't possible to
        activate recording and just punch in replacement material in bits where
        appropriate; IOW, 2880 doesn't have an input threshold detection
        mechanism. Just be ready and record!

        Am I correct in thinking that it's impossible to 'punch in' using the foot controller ?
        If so, this is an unbelievable oversight.

        Stephen

        Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. --0-1043492117-1195225658=:46486-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 16 15:12:40 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 21EE73C064; Fri, 16 Nov 2007 15:12:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 10:12:17 EST Subject: Re: gig tonight (14th) London UK - Michael Peters, Darkroom, Andrew Booker To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_c57.1dc0dce7.346f0d51_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 293 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: <7x_e6B.A.VRE.nNbPHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76478 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 15:12:39 +0000 (UTC) --part1_c57.1dc0dce7.346f0d51_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 11/16/07 4:51:44 AM, os@collective.co.uk writes: > http://www.improvizone.com/track.php?id=64 > sweet!.....someone dropped a mellow bomb on these boyz.....thnaks.....i hope we get to hear more!.....michael www.ct-collective.com http://mysite.verizon.net/vzepmeci/ http://www.myspace.com/klobuchar11 ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com --part1_c57.1dc0dce7.346f0d51_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
        In a message dated 11/16/07 4:51:44 AM, os@collective.co.uk writes:


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        See what's=20= new at http://www.aol.com --part1_c57.1dc0dce7.346f0d51_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 16 15:17:19 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 588653C073; Fri, 16 Nov 2007 15:17:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <473DB473.4080006@mhorse.com> Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 09:17:07 -0600 From: Daryl Shawn User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.13 (Windows/20070809) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: informal poll References: <200711161240.lAGCewGE015334@post.webmailer.de> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76479 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 15:17:19 +0000 (UTC) 1) hardware 2) ...no probs. Daryl Shawn www.swanwelder.com www.chinapaintingmusic.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 16 15:26:52 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7E4483C078; Fri, 16 Nov 2007 15:26:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 400 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Fri, 16 Nov 2007 15:26:51 UTC Message-Id: From: john floridis To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <944395.10711.qm@web33101.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v915) Subject: Re: Boss RC-2 for a beginner? Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 08:20:10 -0700 References: <944395.10711.qm@web33101.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.915) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76480 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 15:26:52 +0000 (UTC) Brad, I have an RC2, and I think it's a really nice piece of gear for what it does. I think for the later of the two things you want to do, the practice in the basement part, it would be great. However if you are implying that you want something to use live with your funk band, that's a more complicated maneuver with the RC2. I think you'll find from the archives of this list that doing that and really making it work involves sending a signal of just the loop (minus the live sound of your guitar) to your drummer. While not impossible to do with an RC2, I think for someone just starting, it would be frustrating unless you and your drummer want to really dig into what it would entail. Especially in a funk band where tight rhythm is so important. The RC50 has sub-outs built into it already and makes the signal to drummer path much easier, but it's a/ more expensive by quite a bit and b/ a more complicated unit to start with. My two cents? I'd spend a good bit of time getting the process of looping down on your own before you bring it to the band. In the end it could be something very cool in that regard, but really nailing the loop can be something that takes a bit of time to master. I've known some tremendous guitarists that struggled with it. John From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 16 15:33:23 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BAF803C062; Fri, 16 Nov 2007 15:33:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <473DAB8E.7030902@post.cybercity.dk> References: <473DAB8E.7030902@post.cybercity.dk> Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 10:30:47 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Charles Zwicky Subject: Re: EH 2880 notes Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-ELNK-Trace: e070562f4b6af5994d2b10475b571120092168acff8a440ca76e0e10860298842f7a992e8873407c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 69.86.229.219 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76481 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 15:33:23 +0000 (UTC) Can we take this discussion to the loopers forum? It's much better format for this discussion... http://loopingmusic.proboards99.com Here is the topic: http://loopingmusic.proboards99.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=eh&thread=1195226938 >I made some comments while close reading the manual. Comments? >I'm aware some things may have changed with the firmware mentioned >in another thread. > > > >Notes on Electro Harmonix 2880 looper > > >Manual pp 10: >Feedback control is partly possible. While overdubbing, previous >contents can be set to fade out with each loop. >No direct way of simply activating a 'loop fade-out' function is >available, but can maybe be emulated using overdup without actually >recording new material. > > >Manual pp 13: >The designated 2880 Foot Controller provides buttons for: >New Loop, Record, Play, Track Select, Reverse, Octave >Most buttons and faders et al.. still needs to be operated before being >possible to use the Foot Controller. > > >Manual pp 19: >In punch-in mode, hitting Record will immidiately start overwriting >a track at the location where Record is hit. It isn't possible to >activate recording and just punch in replacement material in bits >where appropriate; IOW, 2880 doesn't have an input threshold >detection mechanism. Just be ready and record! > > >Manual pp 23: >2880 has only a very basic MIDI implementation: Sync, Start/Stop >(recording), and Song Position Pointer. Any mode buttons, >mix/control faders et al.. needs to be manually pressed before using >the sparse MIDI commands. > >It's strange not even the full Foot Controller functionality is MIDI >available. > >When used with an external MIDI Clock Master device not sending >contineous clock, the 2880 will still sync, but may lag behind. > > >Manual - nowhere: >It's clear the 2880 doesn't store any settings upon power-off, i.e. >any use must be setup after each power-on by operating buttons and >faders. > > >Conclusion: The 2880 is useful from the desk, on/at a keyboard and such, >or with it's designated Foot Controller, though this will still only >provide limited remote control. > >-- >rgds, >van Sinn -- ... http://www.zmix.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 16 15:40:47 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 64CC03C07C; Fri, 16 Nov 2007 15:40:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <006001c82867$97aeb190$d784040a@kleiner> Reply-To: "Tilmann Dehnhard" From: "Tilmann Dehnhard" To: References: <009e01c827c9$b554c340$6401a8c0@ECCO> <473CBE93.5080005@post.cybercity.dk> <00d201c827d2$809457c0$6401a8c0@ECCO> <473CC9EE.5030500@post.cybercity.dk> Subject: Re: Interactive Graphic/Text/Looping experiment Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 10:42:49 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX19v1dmwZFQiMpFgUcRs17mlX+rFGcjVaqvZ7ve NFP6YvfaBx7YngaVEVVPc1eom6mvNCfOj7tbXT/Z5YpX6Qs4bj OGdHQH9Q6xqHF2rWtSLaNu3S7MJtYJM Resent-Message-ID: <-BAeaC.A.HRF._nbPHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76482 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 15:40:47 +0000 (UTC) ahem, i wouldn't want to be touched though... tilmann > Actually, I hereby formerly suggest a looping fest, where the audience > walks around between.. whatever.. and by touching, moving, rate of > change in body posture et al.. influence what gets produced live by > several loopers, working in avant garde style. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 16 16:11:37 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 141BA3C065; Fri, 16 Nov 2007 16:11:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-YMail-OSG: 2lijjBoVM1kqQDa6mAodWWdKp.6Q1RkC9xvNiDekVVCWtoEsxW42WtkHhfYh6t2dhZ5w8m8DbaRZRWrCu_RvrGZ9 Message-ID: <0DE2C9E30B6443CA8A49F7FF1DB08127@HomePC> From: "Ken Robarge" To: References: <009e01c827c9$b554c340$6401a8c0@ECCO> In-Reply-To: <009e01c827c9$b554c340$6401a8c0@ECCO> Subject: Re: Interactive Graphic/Text/Looping experiment Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 08:11:06 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_003F_01C82828.3CE43210" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6000.16480 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6000.16545 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76483 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 16:11:37 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_003F_01C82828.3CE43210 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable JC, Thanks very much. I find these of interest, and appreciate the = links. Still exploring and connecting the dots. Ken ----- Original Message -----=20 From: JC=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2007 12:54 PM Subject: Interactive Graphic/Text/Looping experiment Here's an experiment that you all might be interested in. The experiment is a large flash object. The loops are not "predetermined". Depending on where you go in the object, they will loop and overlap in = different ways. You can go across sections, and they will continue to = overlap for a limited time. http://www.vialuminosa.com/krokos/index.htm If you check it out, let me know what you think. JC Mendizabal Black Note Music http://www.blacknotemusic.com Via Sinistrae www.viasinistrae.com http://sinistrae.libsyn.com/ ------=_NextPart_000_003F_01C82828.3CE43210 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
        JC, Thanks very much.  I find = these of=20 interest, and appreciate the links.  Still exploring and connecting = the=20 dots.
         
        Ken
        ----- Original Message -----
        From:=20 JC
        To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
        Sent: Thursday, November 15, = 2007 12:54=20 PM
        Subject: Interactive = Graphic/Text/Looping=20 experiment

        Here's an experiment that you all = might be=20 interested in.
        The experiment is a large flash=20 object.
        The loops are not = "predetermined".
        Depending on where you go in the = object, they=20 will loop and overlap in different ways. You can go across sections, = and they=20 will continue to overlap for a limited time.
         
        http://www.vialumino= sa.com/krokos/index.htm
         
        If you check it out, let me know what = you=20 think.
         
        JC Mendizabal
        Black Note = Music
        http://www.blacknotemusic.com<= BR>Via=20 Sinistrae
        www.viasinistrae.com
        http://sinistrae.libsyn.com/
        ------=_NextPart_000_003F_01C82828.3CE43210-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 16 17:19:48 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0DD933C05D; Fri, 16 Nov 2007 17:19:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 12:17:54 -0500 From: Bill Fox Subject: Galactic Travels Playlist #555 for November 15, 2007 To: Loopers Delight Mailing List , Daniel Pipitone , Jeff Kowal Message-id: <473DD0C2.9020409@soundscapes.us> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.12 (Windows/20070509) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76484 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 17:19:48 +0000 (UTC) http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2007/071118.html Galactic Travels is an electronic, ambient, and space music show, that airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA, 93.9 FM in Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ, 93.7 FM in Fogelsville and Trexlertown, and webcasting on the internet. WDIY also broadcasts in Digital HD at 88.1 FM. Show #555 November 15, 2007 RECAP: On this show, I continued the month-long focus on Paul Ellis. The Featured CD at Midnight was "The Sacred Ordinary" on Groove Unlimited Records. I also played the music of Radio Massacre International, a group from the UK that will be in an area concert on the 17th. Details are on the events page. Paul Ellis: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2007/focus.html#nov Events: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/events.html PLAYLIST: 11:04 pm ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ==================== ==================== ============================== Kevin Braheny Starflight 1 * Galaxies (Hearts of Space) Radio Massacre Shut Up Rain Falls In Grey (Cuneiform) International RMI Syd Rain Falls In Grey (Cuneiform) RMI Emissary Rain Falls In Grey (Cuneiform) RMI Legacy Rain Falls In Grey (Cuneiform) Jonathan Badger Chez Bortnichak Taps (High Horse) Brendan Pollard Phosphor Skyline Flux Echoes (Acoustic Wave) VA [Gert Emmens and Vintage Analogy Volume 3 (Groove) James Clent] Comtemporaries Paul Ellis Icon The Sacred Ordinary (Groove) 12:00 am ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ==================== ==================== ============================== Paul Ellis Shining The Sacred Ordinary (Groove) Paul Ellis The Sacred Ordinary The Sacred Ordinary (Groove) Paul Ellis Blue Heron The Sacred Ordinary (Groove) Paul Ellis The Still Center of The Sacred Ordinary (Groove) a Turning World Paul Ellis Presence The Sacred Ordinary (Groove) Paul Ellis Cascade The Sacred Ordinary (Groove) Paul Ellis After All The Sacred Ordinary (Groove) Paul Ellis Turning Towards the The Sacred Ordinary (Groove) Sun 1:00 am * = excerpt VA = Various Artists (compilation) ++ = Advance CDR from Artist -- = Background music under interview NEXT SHOW: On the next Galactic Travels, I'll continue the month-long focus on Paul Ellis. The Featured CD at Midnight will be "Silent Conversations" on Groove Unlimited Records. Bill ======================================================================= Host of Galactic Travels, an electronic, ambient, and space music show, Thursdays at 11:04 pm EDT (GMT-4:00) on WDIY 88.1 FM in Allentown and Bethlehem, 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg, and on 93.7 FM in Trexlertown and Fogelsville. WDIY also broadcasts in HD Digital Radio on 88.1 FM. Galactic Travels web site: http://galactictravels.info MySpace: http://myspace.com/galactictravels RSS News Feed: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/rss/enews.xml Podcasts: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/rss/gt.xml Listen on-line to WDIY at http://wdiy.org and click on the LISTEN link or go directly to: http://rm1.refugemedia.com/ramgen/encoder/wdiy.rm To subscribe to the galactic-travels mailing list, click on [Join This Group!] at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/galactic-travels Playlists are also published at http://billfox.blogspot.com RSS (2.0) feed from http://billfox.blogspot.com/rss.xml Atom (0.3) feed from http://billfox.blogspot.com/atom.xml From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 16 17:35:49 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 46E503C06C; Fri, 16 Nov 2007 17:35:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 13793 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Fri, 16 Nov 2007 17:35:43 UTC From: Glenn Poorman To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 05:45:45 -0800 Subject: Looper's CD Release Thread-Topic: Looper's CD Release Thread-Index: AcgoVvzNxHUAa9VKTUyiB+koBoIJ1Q== Message-ID: <54A0E51A24352642A1682F35DF740741176F7C52D8@ADSK-NAMSG-01.MGDADSK.autodesk.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: en-US Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_54A0E51A24352642A1682F35DF740741176F7C52D8ADSKNAMSG01MG_" MIME-Version: 1.0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76485 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 17:35:49 +0000 (UTC) --_000_54A0E51A24352642A1682F35DF740741176F7C52D8ADSKNAMSG01MG_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi all, It's been a while since I've posted here but I wanted to let everyone know = about my recent CD release. I perform publicly on solo Stick along with a pair of= Echoplex units and the occasional drum machine. For the CD release, there is still a= lot of EDP looping as well as some additional instrumentation and even a couple of= vocal tracks (not by me ... you'll thank me for that). The name of the recording project is "121normal" and the CD is self-titled. You can hear samples and get the CD at CD Baby. www.cdbaby.com/cd/121normal You can also pick it up from Stick Enterprises and read the review there as= well. www.stick.com/videoscds/cds/poorman.html Regards, Glenn Poorman --_000_54A0E51A24352642A1682F35DF740741176F7C52D8ADSKNAMSG01MG_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

        Hi all,

         

        It’s been a while since I’ve posted here b= ut I wanted to let everyone know about

        my recent CD release. I perform publicly on solo Stick= along with a pair of Echoplex

        units and the occasional drum machine. For the CD rele= ase, there is still a lot of

        EDP looping as well as some additional instrumentation= and even a couple of vocal

        tracks (not by me … you’ll thank me for th= at).

         

        The name of the recording project is “121normal&= #8221; and the CD is self-titled.

         

        You can hear samples and get the CD at CD Baby.

         

        www.cdbaby.com/cd/121normal=

         

        You can also pick it up from Stick Enterprises and rea= d the review there as well.

         

        www.stick.com/vide= oscds/cds/poorman.html

         

        Regards,

        Glenn Poorman

         

        --_000_54A0E51A24352642A1682F35DF740741176F7C52D8ADSKNAMSG01MG_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 16 18:10:26 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A0C6D3C067; Fri, 16 Nov 2007 18:10:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <36574.208.97.187.133.1195236624.squirrel@webmail.helpwantedproductions.com> Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 10:10:24 -0800 (PST) Subject: FS/FT: Vintage analog Roland GR33b Bass and floor synth From: legion@helpwantedproductions.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, analogue@hyperreal.org User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.10a MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <-hpADC.A.x8B.S0dPHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76486 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 18:10:26 +0000 (UTC) I posted this a few months back and then got involved in other projects. it is back up for sale. Full info and pics are up at: http://www.helpwantedproductions.com/ebay/gr33b.htm Prices listed are fair given what this is but I will listen to SERIOUS offers if you send a phone # and are prepared to buy the unit ASAP. If you can make this a painless sale we'll be able to help and get along just fine. Pick up in Phila PA moves to the head of the line. Thanks! Forsale: Roland 1980s Analog Bass guitar synthesizer. Both Bass and Floor unit are in 100% functional shape and very good cosmetic shape. This is the ultra rare Japanese (Ibanez) made neck through full size active bass with built in GK1 pickup, Controls for Frequency, Resonance, touch plate for manual vibrato (This does NOT exisit in GR77 model!) dual active pickups with volume tone, synth/bass balance, and switch for setting the synth alons or adding HexFuzz distortion+ synth (again unique to this instruments and similar to the GR300 guitar unit. This is a FANTASTIC bass in and of it's own right without even considering it's synth capabilites. Please note this is NOT the digital GR33 black floor unit with works with the GK2 13pin pickup. This is the original all analog The GR33b analog Bass Synthesizer floor unit is the brother to the Roland GR300 guitar floor unit. It has one internal tracking VCO and two additional pitch settings for adding adjustable 5ths, etc up or down in pitch to the fundamental. Filter, LFO (with delay - this is unique to the GR33b, the GR300 does not have this), Envelope follower settings with patching to filter, VCA, etc. All knobs all the time, with inputs for CV control (you can use any passive CV pedal to sweep the filter making it a wah type unit etc.) The hexFuzz pickup is nice a raw and fits the overall unit quite well and again with the G33 bass you can activate the LFO manually or latch it on directly from the bass controller itself. The GR33b is also rare as hen's teeth. Amazing analog goodness from the early 80s back when Roland made real analog instruments that tracked and worked properly. this GR33b is in excellent shape (see pictures) 100% original and fully functional. PRICE: I am asking $1250 for the Bass with original HSC, GR33b floor units, *and* the GK1 cable. I will consider selling the bass and floor unit separately but will NOT sell the GK1 without the bass. Asking price is $700 for the GR33b and $600 for the bass. The cable is $150 extra with the bass if you want it. Preference will go to a complete sale and local purchases. Trades for banana jack modular gear by Serge, Modcan, Cyndustries considered as well. I understand these are not toys items nor are they toy prices so I will do my best to answer any questions from serious buyers. ------------------------------------------------ Weird, Scary, and Beautiful Music and Art: Http://www.HelpWantedProductions.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 16 20:34:42 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id ECB7F3C050; Fri, 16 Nov 2007 20:34:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: Looper's CD Release Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 21:34:37 +0100 Message-ID: <200711162034.lAGKYdqK021279@hermes.ramstein.af.mil> In-Reply-To: <54A0E51A24352642A1682F35DF740741176F7C52D8@ADSK-NAMSG-01.MGDADSK.autodesk.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Looper's CD Release Thread-Index: AcgoVvzNxHUAa9VKTUyiB+koBoIJ1QAOQ6gg References: <54A0E51A24352642A1682F35DF740741176F7C52D8@ADSK-NAMSG-01.MGDADSK.autodesk.com> From: "Moore, David W Civ 86 MXS/MXMTA" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Nov 2007 20:34:38.0997 (UTC) FILETIME=[1BFC2450:01C82890] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76487 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 20:34:41 +0000 (UTC) ARE YOU IN THE LEHIGH VALLEY? david moore transient alert 86 mxs/mxmta 480-2061/5378 -----Original Message----- From: Glenn Poorman [mailto:glenn.poorman@autodesk.com]=20 Sent: Friday, November 16, 2007 2:46 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Looper's CD Release Hi all, =20 It's been a while since I've posted here but I wanted to let everyone know about my recent CD release. I perform publicly on solo Stick along with a pair of Echoplex units and the occasional drum machine. For the CD release, there is still a lot of EDP looping as well as some additional instrumentation and even a couple of vocal tracks (not by me ... you'll thank me for that). =20 The name of the recording project is "121normal" and the CD is self-titled. =20 You can hear samples and get the CD at CD Baby. =20 www.cdbaby.com/cd/121normal =20 You can also pick it up from Stick Enterprises and read the review there as well. =20 www.stick.com/videoscds/cds/poorman.html =20 Regards, Glenn Poorman =20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 16 20:41:31 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5A0433C060; Fri, 16 Nov 2007 20:41:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=xNoK1Qu3yM8BpbVfwqbfyZX1ExX1p3/hhIFsw7/kIbU=; b=THau3itGcKP7ZftIudvGcpYTu8FYSRbnzX4dyXN/rU1G/cnvK8tgeo1SeEoEj8VdQAq6r4Xo+00ZtldaYFelATQ2Nt6ZgrzUQSgTp4k8uQ5zlRKT4fIsPbs8u3espLvAdopHA2eG0BdZPrD3JO5ThpF0ucE/obYcBfM2ULFXz0A= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=j5YLmG/48tK7mSk7kbPSfzdGLn3kPes6Dgz8dzQfygLX15eecnZ4Hr7xDFALxBWOgQszGA2EDfDbq3z89jhs7HDDTvkub2Lfv/WBUWEDPSIiybSGM1YUg8eEyghAsVfwBIA/eVgsVzT9s1ZuUQkwiyYfFf1HMHdSzLHWmczM/q4= Message-ID: Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 15:41:29 -0500 From: "Tony K" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Looper's CD Release In-Reply-To: <200711162034.lAGKYdqK021279@hermes.ramstein.af.mil> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <54A0E51A24352642A1682F35DF740741176F7C52D8@ADSK-NAMSG-01.MGDADSK.autodesk.com> <200711162034.lAGKYdqK021279@hermes.ramstein.af.mil> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76488 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 20:41:31 +0000 (UTC) HI David, I don't know if Glenn is, but I am. (Assuming you mean the LV in PA) Tony On Nov 16, 2007 3:34 PM, Moore, David W Civ 86 MXS/MXMTA wrote: > ARE YOU IN THE LEHIGH VALLEY? > > david moore > transient alert > 86 mxs/mxmta > 480-2061/5378 > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Glenn Poorman [mailto:glenn.poorman@autodesk.com] > Sent: Friday, November 16, 2007 2:46 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Looper's CD Release > > Hi all, > > > > It's been a while since I've posted here but I wanted to let everyone > know about > > my recent CD release. I perform publicly on solo Stick along with a pair > of Echoplex > > units and the occasional drum machine. For the CD release, there is > still a lot of > > EDP looping as well as some additional instrumentation and even a couple > of vocal > > tracks (not by me ... you'll thank me for that). > > > > The name of the recording project is "121normal" and the CD is > self-titled. > > > > You can hear samples and get the CD at CD Baby. > > > > www.cdbaby.com/cd/121normal > > > > You can also pick it up from Stick Enterprises and read the review there > as well. > > > > www.stick.com/videoscds/cds/poorman.html > > > > Regards, > > Glenn Poorman > > > > -- -==-=-=- Tony From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 16 20:42:20 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DB1BE3C06D; Fri, 16 Nov 2007 20:42:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: Glenn Poorman To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 12:42:19 -0800 Subject: RE: Looper's CD Release Thread-Topic: Looper's CD Release Thread-Index: AcgoVvzNxHUAa9VKTUyiB+koBoIJ1QAOQ6ggAABDEWA= Message-ID: <54A0E51A24352642A1682F35DF740741176F7C5548@ADSK-NAMSG-01.MGDADSK.autodesk.com> References: <54A0E51A24352642A1682F35DF740741176F7C52D8@ADSK-NAMSG-01.MGDADSK.autodesk.com> <200711162034.lAGKYdqK021279@hermes.ramstein.af.mil> In-Reply-To: <200711162034.lAGKYdqK021279@hermes.ramstein.af.mil> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: en-US Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76489 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 20:42:20 +0000 (UTC) Hi David, No. I am in the Detroit area. Glenn www.detroitstick.com www.121normal.com -----Original Message----- From: Moore, David W Civ 86 MXS/MXMTA [mailto:David.Moore@ramstein.af.mil] Sent: Friday, November 16, 2007 3:35 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Looper's CD Release ARE YOU IN THE LEHIGH VALLEY? david moore transient alert 86 mxs/mxmta 480-2061/5378 -----Original Message----- From: Glenn Poorman [mailto:glenn.poorman@autodesk.com] Sent: Friday, November 16, 2007 2:46 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Looper's CD Release Hi all, It's been a while since I've posted here but I wanted to let everyone know about my recent CD release. I perform publicly on solo Stick along with a pair of Echoplex units and the occasional drum machine. For the CD release, there is still a lot of EDP looping as well as some additional instrumentation and even a couple of vocal tracks (not by me ... you'll thank me for that). The name of the recording project is "121normal" and the CD is self-titled. You can hear samples and get the CD at CD Baby. www.cdbaby.com/cd/121normal You can also pick it up from Stick Enterprises and read the review there as well. www.stick.com/videoscds/cds/poorman.html Regards, Glenn Poorman From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 16 21:34:00 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 61BDC3BEC5; Fri, 16 Nov 2007 21:34:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Received:X-YMail-OSG:Mime-Version:In-Reply-To:References:Content-Type:Message-Id:Content-Transfer-Encoding:From:Subject:Date:To:X-Mailer; b=hq1tmD/joo8wKAxrlw9Uyb7guR8dwIwSgZcC3GjFCyOVcp/hgoYBNSwa0ieZVQvdNGFe44NQTqOFvgppZvY67a06NmxOP9LNkpdcySuOtB/SIdN4YtyL2dWx4ZkBys5aCJ5AYOBIf6xSixGBAc4ivn/zJ08xgDV/fK1/t5rLIyQ= ; X-YMail-OSG: J6osFVsVM1kimFQ7BbSeEattw_YcpzPxDe3rv4sFo5_kGDuVq4tLJmdftqKynMZbucmdiewefg-- Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: <473DAB8E.7030902@post.cybercity.dk> References: <473DAB8E.7030902@post.cybercity.dk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <5D568DFD-663F-47BB-9E35-7399E3FEA4B5@yahoo.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Ryan Adlaf Subject: Re: EH 2880 notes Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 13:33:56 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76490 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 21:34:00 +0000 (UTC) Thanks van Sinn, this is great feedback. I'm really curious if anyone has gotten rid of the EH footpedal and replaced it with a keyboard or foot MIDI controller? I'm contemplating introducing the 2880 to a band setting, using the 2880 to be the master looper for multiple players. If the 2880 can handle robust messing from a keyboard or an FCB, it could be the difference maker for getting this concept on its feet. Thanks! On Nov 16, 2007, at 6:39 AM, van Sinn wrote: > I made some comments while close reading the manual. Comments? > I'm aware some things may have changed with the firmware mentioned > in another thread. > > > > Notes on Electro Harmonix 2880 looper > > > Manual pp 10: > Feedback control is partly possible. While overdubbing, previous > contents can be set to fade out with each loop. > No direct way of simply activating a 'loop fade-out' function is > available, but can maybe be emulated using overdup without actually > recording new material. > > > Manual pp 13: > The designated 2880 Foot Controller provides buttons for: > New Loop, Record, Play, Track Select, Reverse, Octave > Most buttons and faders et al.. still needs to be operated before > being > possible to use the Foot Controller. > > > Manual pp 19: > In punch-in mode, hitting Record will immidiately start overwriting > a track at the location where Record is hit. It isn't possible to > activate recording and just punch in replacement material in bits > where appropriate; IOW, 2880 doesn't have an input threshold > detection mechanism. Just be ready and record! > > > Manual pp 23: > 2880 has only a very basic MIDI implementation: Sync, Start/Stop > (recording), and Song Position Pointer. Any mode buttons, mix/ > control faders et al.. needs to be manually pressed before using > the sparse MIDI commands. > > It's strange not even the full Foot Controller functionality is > MIDI available. > > When used with an external MIDI Clock Master device not sending > contineous clock, the 2880 will still sync, but may lag behind. > > > Manual - nowhere: > It's clear the 2880 doesn't store any settings upon power-off, i.e. > any use must be setup after each power-on by operating buttons and > faders. > > > Conclusion: The 2880 is useful from the desk, on/at a keyboard and > such, > or with it's designated Foot Controller, though this will still > only provide limited remote control. > > -- > rgds, > van Sinn > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 16 22:16:24 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A28203C01D; Fri, 16 Nov 2007 22:16:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 1693 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Fri, 16 Nov 2007 22:16:23 UTC Message-ID: <002e01c8289a$5d8e7170$6401a8c0@YOUR8D89FFE59A> From: "Dave O'Heare" To: References: <473DAB8E.7030902@post.cybercity.dk> Subject: Re: EH 2880 notes Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 16:48:03 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 071113-1, 13/11/2007), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76491 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 22:16:24 +0000 (UTC) Please don't take the discussion away. It's fine right here. Dave O'H oheareATmagmaDOTca ----- Original Message ----- From: "Charles Zwicky" To: Sent: Friday, November 16, 2007 10:30 AM Subject: Re: EH 2880 notes > > Can we take this discussion to the loopers forum? It's much better format > for this discussion... > > http://loopingmusic.proboards99.com > > Here is the topic: > > http://loopingmusic.proboards99.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=eh&thread=1195226938 > > > > >>I made some comments while close reading the manual. Comments? >>I'm aware some things may have changed with the firmware mentioned in >>another thread. >> >> >> >>Notes on Electro Harmonix 2880 looper >> >> >>Manual pp 10: >>Feedback control is partly possible. While overdubbing, previous contents >>can be set to fade out with each loop. >>No direct way of simply activating a 'loop fade-out' function is >>available, but can maybe be emulated using overdup without actually >>recording new material. >> >> >>Manual pp 13: >>The designated 2880 Foot Controller provides buttons for: >>New Loop, Record, Play, Track Select, Reverse, Octave >>Most buttons and faders et al.. still needs to be operated before being >>possible to use the Foot Controller. >> >> >>Manual pp 19: >>In punch-in mode, hitting Record will immidiately start overwriting a >>track at the location where Record is hit. It isn't possible to activate >>recording and just punch in replacement material in bits where >>appropriate; IOW, 2880 doesn't have an input threshold detection >>mechanism. Just be ready and record! >> >> >>Manual pp 23: >>2880 has only a very basic MIDI implementation: Sync, Start/Stop >>(recording), and Song Position Pointer. Any mode buttons, mix/control >>faders et al.. needs to be manually pressed before using the sparse MIDI >>commands. >> >>It's strange not even the full Foot Controller functionality is MIDI >>available. >> >>When used with an external MIDI Clock Master device not sending contineous >>clock, the 2880 will still sync, but may lag behind. >> >> >>Manual - nowhere: >>It's clear the 2880 doesn't store any settings upon power-off, i.e. any >>use must be setup after each power-on by operating buttons and faders. >> >> >>Conclusion: The 2880 is useful from the desk, on/at a keyboard and such, >>or with it's designated Foot Controller, though this will still only >>provide limited remote control. >> >>-- >>rgds, >>van Sinn > > > -- > ... > http://www.zmix.net > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 16 22:23:12 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8547A3C061; Fri, 16 Nov 2007 22:23:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <002e01c8289a$5d8e7170$6401a8c0@YOUR8D89FFE59A> References: <473DAB8E.7030902@post.cybercity.dk> <002e01c8289a$5d8e7170$6401a8c0@YOUR8D89FFE59A> Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 17:22:54 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Charles Zwicky Subject: Re: EH 2880 notes Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-ELNK-Trace: e070562f4b6af5994d2b10475b571120092168acff8a440cb25362635a6c3c953b461578c1f1f94c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 69.86.229.219 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76492 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 22:23:12 +0000 (UTC) Hardly fine here..! There is a special section on that web forum dedicated to the 2880 and those of us who have written volumes and volumes about it on the mailing list are loathe to re-type Mailing lists suck... >Please don't take the discussion away. It's fine right here. > >Dave O'H >oheareATmagmaDOTca > >----- Original Message ----- From: "Charles Zwicky" >To: >Sent: Friday, November 16, 2007 10:30 AM >Subject: Re: EH 2880 notes > >> >>Can we take this discussion to the loopers forum? It's much better >>format for this discussion... >> >>http://loopingmusic.proboards99.com >> >>Here is the topic: >> >>http://loopingmusic.proboards99.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=eh&thread=1195226938 >> >> >> >>>I made some comments while close reading the manual. Comments? >>>I'm aware some things may have changed with the firmware mentioned >>>in another thread. >>> >>> >>> >>>Notes on Electro Harmonix 2880 looper >>> >>> >>>Manual pp 10: >>>Feedback control is partly possible. While overdubbing, previous >>>contents can be set to fade out with each loop. >>>No direct way of simply activating a 'loop fade-out' function is >>>available, but can maybe be emulated using overdup without >>>actually recording new material. >>> >>> >>>Manual pp 13: >>>The designated 2880 Foot Controller provides buttons for: >>>New Loop, Record, Play, Track Select, Reverse, Octave >>>Most buttons and faders et al.. still needs to be operated before being >>>possible to use the Foot Controller. >>> >>> >>>Manual pp 19: >>>In punch-in mode, hitting Record will immidiately start >>>overwriting a track at the location where Record is hit. It isn't >>>possible to activate recording and just punch in replacement >>>material in bits where appropriate; IOW, 2880 doesn't have an >>>input threshold detection mechanism. Just be ready and record! >>> >>> >>>Manual pp 23: >>>2880 has only a very basic MIDI implementation: Sync, Start/Stop >>>(recording), and Song Position Pointer. Any mode buttons, >>>mix/control faders et al.. needs to be manually pressed before >>>using the sparse MIDI commands. >>> >>>It's strange not even the full Foot Controller functionality is >>>MIDI available. >>> >>>When used with an external MIDI Clock Master device not sending >>>contineous clock, the 2880 will still sync, but may lag behind. >>> >>> >>>Manual - nowhere: >>>It's clear the 2880 doesn't store any settings upon power-off, >>>i.e. any use must be setup after each power-on by operating >>>buttons and faders. >>> >>> >>>Conclusion: The 2880 is useful from the desk, on/at a keyboard and such, >>>or with it's designated Foot Controller, though this will still >>>only provide limited remote control. >>> >>>-- >>>rgds, >>>van Sinn >> >> >>-- >>... >>http://www.zmix.net -- ... http://www.zmix.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 16 22:54:35 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6E9383C05F; Fri, 16 Nov 2007 22:54:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=v6m/GB3Ap8bXlpvddzk0fZoPnF8kWcx/DKciI89iqa0=; b=B1iocPVJypm0v6SADc/xsb4xREVhLaHj81SIGPxTX3DeYSomfOkkD/19MqwX+arG5Mod46zJxESyddt2/atImd3QZWpNeFbePGTTqjR87tCfdxw1sGSUXd174h+N57bN4HbSUzas+Y/Lkc5X8EgdwK9UyN80z/YSuyV0CyLrshs= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=Xr+7ycmhXb83gsajFKKJCH5QhOCj40Q3zAi7HAGoXF04YPyI1/eQ+dOqpP0d49vpIYoGzLtid2KOSypNrpEQEYUJbry6iO+VScjsnTgFhwUDogx7ifyHlLupJn9d+tOiHst2BShFl/0carY0Y1PWm3U4hO1yJR2+GmiCoow5hC0= Message-ID: Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 14:54:33 -0800 From: "Travis Hartnett" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: EH 2880 notes In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <473DAB8E.7030902@post.cybercity.dk> <002e01c8289a$5d8e7170$6401a8c0@YOUR8D89FFE59A> Resent-Message-ID: <2Hup0C.A.DCE.r-hPHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76493 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 22:54:35 +0000 (UTC) Fortunately there's not much traffic on that board, so cutting and pasting the response doesn't take much effort: Re: Van Sinn's LD 2880 comments and questions.. =AB Reply #1 on Today at 3:37pm =BB=09 I made some comments while close reading the manual. Comments? I'm aware some things may have changed with the firmware mentioned in another thread. Notes on Electro Harmonix 2880 looper Manual pp 10: Feedback control is partly possible. While overdubbing, previous contents can be set to fade out with each loop. No direct way of simply activating a 'loop fade-out' function is available, but can maybe be emulated using overdup without actually recording new material. With the 2880, it's all about the interaction with the physical controls. THere is a 6 channel mixer right there..! Quote: Manual pp 13: The designated 2880 Foot Controller provides buttons for: New Loop, Record, Play, Track Select, Reverse, Octave Most buttons and faders et al.. still needs to be operated before being possible to use the Foot Controller. Manual pp 19: In punch-in mode, hitting Record will immidiately start overwriting a track at the location where Record is hit. It isn't possible to activate recording and just punch in replacement material in bits where appropriate; IOW, 2880 doesn't have an input threshold detection mechanism. Just be ready and record! Manual pp 23: 2880 has only a very basic MIDI implementation: Sync, Start/Stop (recording), and Song Position Pointer. Any mode buttons, mix/control faders et al.. needs to be manually pressed before using the sparse MIDI commands. It's strange not even the full Foot Controller functionality is MIDI availa= ble. Not true, the MIDI implementation allows every parameter, including playback speed to be controlled. Quote: When used with an external MIDI Clock Master device not sending contineous clock, the 2880 will still sync, but may lag behind. Manual - nowhere: It's clear the 2880 doesn't store any settings upon power-off, i.e. any use must be setup after each power-on by operating buttons and faders. Conclusion: The 2880 is useful from the desk, on/at a keyboard and such, or with it's designated Foot Controller, though this will still only provide limited remote control. --=20 rgds, van Sinn On Nov 16, 2007 2:22 PM, Charles Zwicky wrote: > Hardly fine here..! There is a special section on that web forum > dedicated to the 2880 and those of us who have written volumes and > volumes about it on the mailing list are loathe to re-type Mailing > lists suck... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 16 23:31:51 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 315A23C06E; Fri, 16 Nov 2007 23:31:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 9467 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Fri, 16 Nov 2007 23:31:50 UTC Message-ID: <00e801c82893$01410100$6401a8c0@MusicComputer> From: "Tom Rex" To: References: <54A0E51A24352642A1682F35DF740741176F7C52D8@ADSK-NAMSG-01.MGDADSK.autodesk.com> <200711162034.lAGKYdqK021279@hermes.ramstein.af.mil> Subject: Re: ARE YOU IN THE LEHIGH VALLEY? Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 13:55:22 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 071115-0, 11/15/2007), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76494 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 23:31:51 +0000 (UTC) Funny to see that message come across. It took a moment to realize it wasn't for me, I guess. Used to live there, but I moved to Tucson. I had a similar experience driving in a car around Allentown, when the radio announcer said that was T Rex playing, whatever. First time I ever heard of the group, and didn't realize that I had recorded anything, yet. I didn't even go by that name back then! Tom Rex, aka, sometimes, T Rex ----- Original Message ----- From: "Moore, David W Civ 86 MXS/MXMTA" To: Sent: Friday, November 16, 2007 1:34 PM Subject: RE: Looper's CD Release ARE YOU IN THE LEHIGH VALLEY? david moore transient alert 86 mxs/mxmta 480-2061/5378 -----Original Message----- From: Glenn Poorman [mailto:glenn.poorman@autodesk.com] Sent: Friday, November 16, 2007 2:46 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Looper's CD Release Hi all, It's been a while since I've posted here but I wanted to let everyone know about my recent CD release. I perform publicly on solo Stick along with a pair of Echoplex units and the occasional drum machine. For the CD release, there is still a lot of EDP looping as well as some additional instrumentation and even a couple of vocal tracks (not by me ... you'll thank me for that). The name of the recording project is "121normal" and the CD is self-titled. You can hear samples and get the CD at CD Baby. www.cdbaby.com/cd/121normal You can also pick it up from Stick Enterprises and read the review there as well. www.stick.com/videoscds/cds/poorman.html Regards, Glenn Poorman From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 17 01:19:15 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 058CA3C05E; Sat, 17 Nov 2007 01:19:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 20:18:54 -0500 From: Scott Duncan Subject: Re: Looper's CD Release In-reply-to: <54A0E51A24352642A1682F35DF740741176F7C52D8@ADSK-NAMSG-01.MGDADSK.autodesk.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <24C63353-0DC0-4D29-9422-01C2E29F2440@webworkz.com> MIME-version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-4-59286231 References: <54A0E51A24352642A1682F35DF740741176F7C52D8@ADSK-NAMSG-01.MGDADSK.autodesk.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76495 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2007 01:19:15 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-4-59286231 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; delsp=yes; format=flowed Thanks for posting this, Glenn...Really love "Hard Times" track -- =20 just beautifully played & recorded. Also "Remember When". Trying to =20 register @ PayPlay.fm now..... Scott Duncan On Nov 16, 2007, at 8:45 AM, Glenn Poorman wrote: > > my recent CD release. I perform publicly on solo Stick along with a =20= > pair of Echoplex > > units and the occasional drum machine. For the CD release, there is =20= > still a lot of > > EDP looping as well as some additional instrumentation and even a =20 > couple of vocal > > tracks (not by me =85 you=92ll thank me for that). > > The name of the recording project is =93121normal=94 and the CD is = self-=20 > titled. > > You can hear samples and get the CD at CD Baby. > > www.cdbaby.com/cd/121normal > > > > You can also pick it up from Stick Enterprises and read the review =20 > there as well. > > > > www.stick.com/videoscds/cds/poorman.html > > > > Regards, > > Glenn Poorman > > > > --Apple-Mail-4-59286231 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=WINDOWS-1252
        Thanks for posting this, = Glenn...Really love "Hard Times" track -- just beautifully played = & recorded. Also "Remember When". Trying to register @ PayPlay.fm=A0 = now.....

        Scott = Duncan

        On Nov 16, 2007, at 8:45 AM, Glenn Poorman wrote:


        my recent CD release. I perform = publicly on solo Stick along with a pair of Echoplex

        units and the occasional drum machine. = For the CD release, there is still a lot of

        EDP looping as well as some additional = instrumentation and even a couple of vocal

        tracks (not by me =85 you=92ll thank = me for that).=A0

        The name of the recording project is =93121normal=94 and = the CD is self-titled.=A0

        You can hear samples and get the CD at CD Baby.=A0

        www.cdbaby.com/cd/121normal

        =A0

        You can also pick it up from Stick = Enterprises and read the review there as well.

        =A0

        www.stick.com/videoscds/cds/poorman.html

        =A0

        Regards,

        Glenn Poorman

        =A0



        <= /HTML>= --Apple-Mail-4-59286231-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 17 03:39:15 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 592C13C06A; Sat, 17 Nov 2007 03:39:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <0dd301c828cb$6bbf7240$7db0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Need your input on the Rang III Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 20:39:11 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76496 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2007 03:39:15 +0000 (UTC) Hello all, Please send me your input on what you consider the top 10 parameters that an expression pedal can be used to tweak in realtime in a floor looper. Boomerang has asked me this question, and I'd like to get a good set of responses to consolidate into an answer for Mike. Kris *********** Hi Kris, [massive snip] > In any event, the Rang III has the potential to be a really > competitive looping device, relative to all of the other floor looping > units available. One thing that will give the Rang III a competitive > edge is the stereo in/out capability. However, we know now that a few > other units out there also have that feature (Eventide and Boss > RC-50). Hence, having the ability to change variable parameters (e.g., > pitch, volume, rate, etc) in a looping unit, and access more features > via a MIDI controller would be a very compelling selling point for the > Rang III, if you can build this into the feature set sooner vs. later. > I would be willing that just adding pitch control via an expression > pedal and connecting a MIDI foot controller to access more features > could potentially increase your target audience by at least 25%. We have taken so long to release a new looper and want to get into players hands as soon as possible, so MIDI, in any form, may not make it into the initial release. However the pedal does have all the hardware in place. Initially it'll be used to synch two Rang(TM) IIIs. The III has an expression pedal jack and it'll be set to control loop playback volume at the factory. We anticipate having the ability to control other parameters as well. What are the top 10 parameters that loopers want to tweak in realtime? -- Mike Nelson Secretary/Treasurer, Boomerang Management, Inc. General Partner of Boomerang Musical Products, Ltd. Krispen Hartung http://www.krispenhartung.com info@krispenhartung.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 17 09:33:54 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 240313C074; Sat, 17 Nov 2007 09:33:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 629849486-mk-filter-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com-B2C-$THROTTLED-DYNAMIC-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 79.74.147.59 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Ah4FABpEPkdPSpM7/2dsb2JhbACCLqEh Message-ID: <473EB586.2000607@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2007 09:33:58 +0000 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Need your input on the Rang III References: <0dd301c828cb$6bbf7240$7db0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> In-Reply-To: <0dd301c828cb$6bbf7240$7db0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76497 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2007 09:33:54 +0000 (UTC) Most important expression control on a loop device is 1) FEEDBACK ...then afterwards 2) Loop Output Volume ...and somewhat later 3) Loop Input Volume ...some time in an imaginary universe, 10) Programmable combinations of the above controls, e.g. Pedal controls Loop Input Vol AND Feedback simultaneously (with feedback control inverted) ...but really it's FEEDBACK other than that, it depends on what parameters are availble andy butler Krispen Hartung wrote: > Hello all, > > Please send me your input on what you consider the top 10 parameters > that an expression pedal can be used to tweak in realtime in a floor > looper. Boomerang has asked me this question, and I'd like to get a good > set of responses to consolidate into an answer for Mike. > > Kris > > > *********** From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 17 10:19:08 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 560E63C076; Sat, 17 Nov 2007 10:19:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 3655 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Sat, 17 Nov 2007 10:19:07 UTC Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2007 04:16:24 -0500 From: Bill Fox Subject: Listen To The AM/FM Show To: undisclosed-recipients: ; Message-id: <473EB168.3000600@soundscapes.us> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.12 (Windows/20070509) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76498 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2007 10:19:08 +0000 (UTC) THE AM/FM SHOW ON WMUH: http://soundscapes.us/amfm ======================================================================= My next stint on the AM/FM Show will be Saturday, November 17 at 6:00 am. 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        = --Apple-Mail-1-658011438-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 23 23:40:54 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B10653BEF4; Fri, 23 Nov 2007 23:40:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=n/NF6kGU7gTDZ1Sz9RCKJxBLe+n9UrYlhAG/M3hnZakqNRoRh8ZEcoduqKGsgLv030nqYhoFFx76PN3K4ETlKrGX0pnCCxBEGvq/ne4aCml6hOFVA8cKpc+8Gi0ZjtUbneHNXNC6VZDcbQ11yiL6pRVWC+OYPWk7VPUaP8A43TY=; X-YMail-OSG: Fvj8fPsVM1nC59LoYYjw.AQMzF9Wo6Hpnc2Uf2YijccnMdF7Nu0Z.z0YUb1eAjLtvG64fwn5OAmVVOPEWD33ei4AGBadgkZ9VdsfIo3UNilsr19pW74- Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2007 15:40:52 -0800 (PST) From: Subject: Re: Streaming Audio from Norwich Loopfest To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <47440BC9.6080508@tiscali.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <897966.26059.qm@web34507.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76619 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2007 23:40:54 +0000 (UTC) Still listening...I'm on Stephen Scott's Gather the lustral star. Fantastic!! --- andy butler wrote: > this playlist collects all currently available audio > from Norwich Loopfest > > http://www.andybutler.com/norwichfest.m3u > > 1-4 Stephen Scott > 5-10 Matt Stevens > 11-13 Michael Peters > 14-16 Darkroom > 17-19 andy butler > > andy > > www.myspace.com/mesqua www.reverbnation.com/stevenguerrero ____________________________________________________________________________________ Get easy, one-click access to your favorites. Make Yahoo! your homepage. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 24 01:01:56 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 819373BEE8; Sat, 24 Nov 2007 01:01:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 373 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Sat, 24 Nov 2007 01:01:55 UTC DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:x-google-sender-auth; bh=FGuaCFA4mHFoXcsNrGg156pbMoc+tCb4atncqD4+Epg=; b=Elu+v+xUvF9mgCIPeDdWGi1miirw0ax+uIHAHDVKeCuaiX1T3Zq9Ec+ac16RvVodj10aMSTVYDgfp8QHX2F+S3HVTUOqbJPemn4OIwIexYs0iFrbw03o8kmKzPrjLV8tfS0jlCgyA16/B5CHpRf8D5Bljujb5VSnrmsbsnqAWcc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:x-google-sender-auth; b=cz20YZ3zorMDrt5lssku1Q7332gOsuspiNk+KeXH5l23KmHQ7w5ZiE0nD3IfjMPcyd5aVtCq/xx6NRXfPellApUJov3iONWEnOV9e67gJR4bhpn3l10hTwXlLNVdXrEa+0i9HnC6q2ralWExZLiSv0Dj/XMPbq0h2Hc+oGEefes= Message-ID: <825dc38e0711231655i4aebe0d2j73d671b26c060692@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2007 19:55:41 -0500 From: "neil wiernik" Sender: neil.wiernik@gmail.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: free new music by NAW, bluepulp and others on pertin-nce MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Google-Sender-Auth: fd80d35b75ae0fd7 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76620 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2007 01:01:56 +0000 (UTC) free net release featuring naw, bluepulp and others. info below . Hope you'll enjoy! [pertin-nce_013] catalogue number : pertin-nce_013 artist : v/a release title : changes track listing : 1- naw : low air pressure, 2- kontakt : slith 3- bleupulp : computer 4- kate carr : too many spring showers sounds like : techno, IDM, dubby, experimental, ambient 192 kps .zip DL : http://www.pertin-nce.com/releases/p...va_changes.zip single track DL, flac, .wav, vbr, stream on archive.org : http://www.archive.org/details/pertin-nce_013 -- ============================ www.phoniq.net www.vagueterrain.net www.neilsnodes.blogspot.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 24 01:26:54 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F190B3BEF0; Sat, 24 Nov 2007 01:26:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <008701c82e39$19d1c2d0$6401a8c0@dayglogreen> From: "Rick Walker" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: Re: Repeater s/w ? Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2007 17:26:55 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: <21iw5D.A.0rH.d33RHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76621 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2007 01:26:53 +0000 (UTC) Their intention is to release both the hardware unit and the software by NAMM in Anaheim (end of January) but I have not heard much from them about it. I love the Repeater for specifically one function and that is all the pitch shifting it can do in real time. For the first time in history , I've been able to take a found object, loop it and then play it as a chromatic instrument over three octaves. Nothing else does this with the exception of Ableton's LIVE but that's another discussion. I'm really looking forward to the release of this unit in both hardware and software, but as everyone has said. I'm not holding my breath. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 24 01:28:55 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E23883BEF1; Sat, 24 Nov 2007 01:28:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <015f01c82e39$60402810$6401a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <014901c82e26$1d478340$6401a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> <7C48B677-A19C-43E1-BB7A-3639C17F615F@mac.com> Subject: Re: OT: Mini Jazz Guitar for Looping Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2007 18:28:53 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_015C_01C82DFE.B3571170" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: <7BUdvB.A.dxH.X53RHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76622 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2007 01:28:55 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_015C_01C82DFE.B3571170 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Yup, I've used those before...nice sounding. I wonder what the = difference is between the Benedetto and Kent floating pickups. The = Bene's are quite a bit more expensive than the Kent's. Kris ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Paul Mimlitsch=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Friday, November 23, 2007 4:37 PM Subject: Re: OT: Mini Jazz Guitar for Looping Kris; Sounds cool. FWIW You might consider a Kent Armstrong pickup (not the = crappy Korean made ones but a "real" one) with adjustable pole pieces - = i usually get them from << archtop.com >>. It would give you more = flexibility on string selection (nickel vs bronze wound) and more = options on dialing in the tone, given the smaller body size. Just a = thought. - Paul On Nov 23, 2007, at 4:11 PM, Krispen Hartung wrote: ...thought I'd report back on what I found for a luthier to build me = a mini jazz archtop guitar. I decided to go with a luthier who built = one of John Stowell's guitars (recommended to me by John), Bobby Warren, = who lives on the San Juan Island, WA. I flew up to see him last week and = we finalized on the design and specs.=20 We actually created a cardboard mock-up of the guitar. It will = essentially be the style of a Super 400 (with single cut-away), but only = 29 inches long (headstock to base of body), a maximum body width of only = 10 inches, and a maximum depth of 2 inches (at the center). The neck = will be a 50cm scale, 19.68 inches (modeled after the scale of my Epi = "Roadie"), but will have some design improvements for a low and fast = action. It will have one humbucker in the neck position (probabably a = Benedetto, or mabye a Bartonlini mini humbucker that Bobby has (which is = no longer made by Bartolini). We are still researching the best choice = of pickups, for a darker tone, which I prefer. The guitar will have a = carved bridge and tailpiece, probaby Schaller tuners, a small pick = guard, and a stacked volume/tone knob that sits on the pick guard. The body will be mohogany (carved hollow) with a carved maple top, = f-holes, and binding. The neck will be ebony. Since weight won't be an = issue for this guitar, the carved top will be a bit thicker than most = archtops. Picture this guitar here, but only 29 inches long and with a = mahogany back to produce a nice split tone of woods/colors. http://www.benedettoguitars.com/model_manhattan.php I'll post pictures of the guitar later in the year. I hope to have this guitar by Y2K8....but no guarantees. Kris Krispen Hartung http://www.krispenhartung.com info@krispenhartung.com <014401c82e26$1cc1ff90$6401a8c0> ------=_NextPart_000_015C_01C82DFE.B3571170 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
        Yup, I've used those before...nice = sounding. I=20 wonder what the difference is between the Benedetto and Kent floating = pickups.=20 The Bene's are quite a bit more expensive than the Kent's.
         
        Kris
         
        ----- Original Message -----
        From:=20         Paul=20 Mimlitsch
        To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
        Sent: Friday, November 23, 2007 = 4:37=20 PM
        Subject: Re: OT: Mini Jazz = Guitar for=20 Looping

        Kris;
        Sounds cool.  FWIW You might consider a Kent Armstrong = pickup (not=20 the crappy Korean made ones but a "real" one) with adjustable pole = pieces - i=20 usually get them from << archtop.com >>.  It would = give you=20 more flexibility on string selection (nickel vs bronze wound) and more = options=20 on dialing in the tone, given the smaller body size.  Just a = thought. -=20 Paul


        On Nov 23, 2007, at 4:11 PM, Krispen Hartung wrote:
        ...thought I'd report = back on=20 what I found for a luthier to build me a mini jazz archtop guitar. =  I=20 decided to go with a luthier who built one of John Stowell's guitars = (recommended to me by John), Bobby Warren, who lives on the San Juan = Island,=20 WA. I flew up to see him last week and we finalized on the design = and=20 specs. 
         
        We actually created a = cardboard=20 mock-up of the guitar. It will essentially be the style of a Super = 400 (with=20 single cut-away), but only 29 inches long (headstock to base of = body), a=20 maximum body width of only 10 inches, and a maximum depth of 2 = inches (at=20 the center). The neck will be a 50cm scale, 19.68 inches (modeled = after the=20 scale of my Epi "Roadie"), but will have some design improvements = for a low=20 and fast action.  It will have one humbucker in the neck = position=20 (probabably a Benedetto, or mabye a Bartonlini mini humbucker that = Bobby has=20 (which is no longer made by Bartolini). We are still researching the = best=20 choice of pickups, for a darker tone, which I prefer.  The = guitar will=20 have a carved bridge and tailpiece, probaby Schaller tuners, a small = pick=20 guard, and a stacked volume/tone knob that sits on the pick=20 guard.
         
        The body will be = mohogany=20 (carved hollow) with a carved maple top, f-holes, and binding.  = The=20 neck will be ebony. Since weight won't be an issue for this guitar, = the=20 carved top will be a bit thicker than most = archtops.
         
        Picture this guitar = here, but=20 only 29 inches long and with a mahogany back to produce a nice split = tone of=20 woods/colors.
        http://www.benedettoguitars.com/model_manhattan.php=
         
        I'll post pictures of = the guitar=20 later in the year.
         
        I hope to have this = guitar by=20 Y2K8....but no guarantees.
         
        Kris
         
         

        Krispen=20 Hartung
        http://www.krispenhartung.cominfo@krispenhartung.com

        <014401c82e26$1cc1ff90$6401a8c0>


         

         

         

         

         

         

        ------=_NextPart_000_015C_01C82DFE.B3571170-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 24 02:02:23 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F312B3BEE2; Sat, 24 Nov 2007 02:02:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com In-Reply-To: <015f01c82e39$60402810$6401a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> References: <014901c82e26$1d478340$6401a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> <7C48B677-A19C-43E1-BB7A-3639C17F615F@mac.com> <015f01c82e39$60402810$6401a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1-666851281 Message-Id: From: Paul Mimlitsch Subject: Re: OT: Mini Jazz Guitar for Looping Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2007 19:04:59 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76623 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2007 02:02:22 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-1-666851281 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Haven't a/b'd them myself but paying for the "name" is probably a large part of the price difference. Still like the Armstrong's for the adjustable pole pieces - more flexible in matching different string types and evening out the discrepancies between the wound and unwound strings. - paul On Nov 23, 2007, at 6:28 PM, Krispen Hartung wrote: > Yup, I've used those before...nice sounding. I wonder what the > difference is between the Benedetto and Kent floating pickups. The > Bene's are quite a bit more expensive than the Kent's. > > Kris > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Paul Mimlitsch > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Sent: Friday, November 23, 2007 4:37 PM > Subject: Re: OT: Mini Jazz Guitar for Looping > > Kris; > Sounds cool. FWIW You might consider a Kent Armstrong pickup (not > the crappy Korean made ones but a "real" one) with adjustable pole > pieces - i usually get them from << archtop.com >>. It would give > you more flexibility on string selection (nickel vs bronze wound) > and more options on dialing in the tone, given the smaller body > size. Just a thought. - Paul --Apple-Mail-1-666851281 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Haven't a/b'd them myself but = paying for the "name" is probably a large part of the price difference.=A0= Still like the Armstrong's for the adjustable pole pieces - more = flexible in matching different string types and evening out = the=A0discrepancies between the wound and unwound strings. - = paul

        On Nov 23, = 2007, at 6:28 PM, Krispen Hartung wrote:

        Yup, I've used those = before...nice sounding. I wonder what the difference is between the = Benedetto and Kent floating pickups. The Bene's are quite a bit more = expensive than the Kent's.
        =A0
        =A0
        ----- Original = Message -----
        Sent: Friday, November 23, 2007 4:37 PM
        Subject: Re: OT: Mini Jazz Guitar for = Looping

        Kris;
        Sounds cool.=A0 FWIW You = might consider a Kent Armstrong pickup (not the crappy Korean made ones = but a "real" one) with adjustable pole pieces - i usually get them from = << archtop.com >>.=A0 It would give you more flexibility on = string selection (nickel vs bronze wound) and more options on dialing in = the tone, given the smaller body size.=A0 Just a thought. - = Paul

        = --Apple-Mail-1-666851281-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 24 03:01:06 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1F63A3BEE4; Sat, 24 Nov 2007 03:01:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=cJM6h98bVz0AtO9V/JfaC6fLLIYd55DzoaVnk6gXmsU=; b=W7B/uejuXOOjaeuSv2JX8xWuZAv8faUOB2Gcu8fCKcvihydixeHtLhTjPlfqbXMwZSubwki7CT574TZ8tcfS5OIVEShUWSC1k30TVvjy/vJ+/3jRquX+j3BQLdiN/aq+2/mOdGJ7G63+vxn0WL+Q9B6ip+8fhKpv69T5qil87As= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=s2yIKWYAySgJWzPNayOrus4T2yF7oGUVY3h6QEH1f+BW0fvLnz7edbHISGV+ceTmtG4GdAq8gGJIFcrakZLpsUz82+WT9TDMHXoSsxIW7HM3sJdKbyM0PE8LejPdRzDLsmfwYUrnYItuj8Fok0RjqQD91UGaseQYAvMGs6f1N0k= Message-ID: <37f071c00711231901p2ee11ee8ofb9cc25ed4116a1f@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2007 19:01:03 -0800 From: "Kevin Cheli-Colando" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Repeater s/w ? In-Reply-To: <008701c82e39$19d1c2d0$6401a8c0@dayglogreen> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <008701c82e39$19d1c2d0$6401a8c0@dayglogreen> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76624 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2007 03:01:06 +0000 (UTC) > For the first time in history , I've been able to take a found object, > loop it and then play it as a chromatic instrument over three octaves. I may be dense here, but are you just setting the pitch of the loop via midi and playing it with a foot controller or something else? > > I'm really looking forward to the release of this unit in both hardware > and software, but as everyone has said. > > I'm not holding my breath. I believe they are moving to beta testing at the moment so things look good Kevin From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 24 05:13:49 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 86E533BEDC; Sat, 24 Nov 2007 05:13:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: From: rithma To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1-678013149 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v915) Subject: My obnoxious looping tale... Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2007 21:11:01 -0800 References: <001101c8256a$679b2100$1001a8c0@succubus> <172038C2-3010-422C-BBB7-0B1035749DAB@rithma.org> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.915) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76625 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2007 05:13:49 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-1-678013149 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit MAN this looping fiasco has been the most obscenely tail chasing redundant goose chase ive ever been on with my robots. Two years ago i bought ableton live, the Behringer foot controller, and a mixer. it worked, but never the creative aspect that endless overdubbing brings. Then i (verrrrry irresponsible credit card user) bought an RC-50, played with it for a week, then got that credit card guilt thing and returned it. THEN when visiting San Francisco, a 'b-boy' lookin kid walks by me on Haight street with an echoplex digital pro under his arm, like how youd carry a book. "Echoplex! Right On!!!" i yelled, and he immediately engaged in a conversation about how al it needed was a new mix pot and other than that its perfect blah blah blah, make me an offer. so AS A JOKE, i say "how bout 20 bucks?"... he responds with a confrontational "aw man, im offended!" (and this is where all of you on this list decide to hate me) he says "gimme twenty five". TWENTY FIVE DOLLARS. i soldered in a new mix pot and scrubbed the 80's looking Graffitti off the face and top, bought the footpedal for a hundred bucks, and voialah, there went the next month of my nights, stony and looping and really just cant handle working in mono!!! so our lovely vocalist nica adopts the thing, i go back to the drawing board with an Ableton upgrade, spending countless hours and weeks and months programming and CC'ing and once it finally starts working just right.........(!)....ableton starts crashing on me every time i open it. Every time the band comes over. And Om Records is on my case about not having an act together after 2 years of configuring. so i went out and bought an RC - 50 again, hoping to sync it to my bands master clock and control hardware effects (ensoniq DP-2) with the old foot controller. I also wiped my hard drive on my laptop and installed reaktor because it sounds so nutty. Maybe ill dump another hundred bucks into an ableton upgrade to see if it runs without crashing. basically what im asking is what the hell am i doing here? people are waiting to pay us when the show is ready and i am spinning my wheels in gear and software. its rediculous. should i sell the echoplex and the RC-50 and get the looperlative? it looks so simple it kind of weirds me out being so expensive. do they have foot controllers? never mind. i love you all. HOW DO YOU GET SOOPERLOOPER TO RUN IN ABLETON??????? it seemed like the perfect medium, and i tried sometime back without success. a step by step rundown would be MUCH appreciated! /rithers (normally not this whiney but just so frustrated with the "Every Looping Device is missing one crucial parameter" clause. who wrote that anyways? --Apple-Mail-1-678013149 Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

        MAN
        this looping = fiasco has been the most obscenely tail chasing redundant goose chase = ive ever been on with my robots.     Two years ago i bought = ableton live,  the Behringer foot controller, 
        and a = mixer.  it worked,  but never the creative aspect that endless = overdubbing brings.  
        Then i (verrrrry irresponsible = credit card user)  bought an RC-50,  played with it for a = week, then got that credit card guilt thing and returned it.   =  THEN when visiting San Francisco, a 'b-boy' lookin kid walks by me = on Haight street with an echoplex digital pro under his arm, like how = youd carry a book.     "Echoplex! Right On!!!" i yelled, =   and he immediately engaged in a conversation about how al it = needed was a new mix pot and other than that its perfect blah blah blah, =  make me an offer.   so AS A JOKE,  i say "how bout 20 = bucks?"...  he responds with a confrontational "aw man, im = offended!"  (and this is where all of you on this list decide to = hate me)   he says  "gimme twenty five".    TWENTY = FIVE DOLLARS.   i soldered in a new mix pot and scrubbed the 80's = looking Graffitti off the face and top,  bought the footpedal for a = hundred bucks,  and  voialah,  there went the next = month of my nights,  stony and looping and really just cant handle = working in mono!!!   so our lovely vocalist nica adopts the thing, =  i go back to the drawing board with an Ableton upgrade, =   spending countless hours and weeks and months = programming and CC'ing and 
        once it finally starts = working just right.........(!)....ableton starts crashing on me every = time i open it.    Every time the band comes over.   And = Om Records is on my case about not having an act together = after 2 years of configuring.   
        so i went out and = bought an RC - 50 again, hoping to sync it to my bands master clock and = control hardware effects (ensoniq DP-2)  with the old foot = controller.    
        I also wiped my hard drive on my = laptop and installed reaktor because it sounds so nutty.   Maybe = ill dump another hundred bucks into an ableton upgrade to see if it runs = without crashing.   
        basically what im asking is =  what the hell am i doing here?     people are waiting to = pay us when the show is ready and i am spinning my wheels in gear and = software.   its rediculous.   
        should i sell = the echoplex and the RC-50 and get the looperlative?  it looks so = simple it kind of weirds me out being so expensive. 
        do = they have foot controllers?
        never mind.  
        i = love you all. 

        HOW DO YOU GET = SOOPERLOOPER TO RUN IN ABLETON???????
        it seemed like the = perfect medium, and i tried sometime back without success. =  
        a step by step rundown would be MUCH = appreciated!

        /rithers
         &nb= sp;

        (normally = not this whiney but just so frustrated with the  "Every Looping = Device is missing one crucial parameter" clause.  
        who = wrote that anyways? 


         



        = --Apple-Mail-1-678013149-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 24 05:53:34 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id ADBB03BED8; Sat, 24 Nov 2007 05:53:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=k1DX4TOLzD0wkzRSfq/BEG6wxXenE1V/bUG3Rb3tfZ3IK6HVShA1U/0IMbtEhu1dhGLV0QKilWyLsn6PaCReC17gvVhe0gemgbemrlGJQqTeP/rB/hdssrqgTdXEVN5E91fFXzkYfSLfxPhFeeOEada1LRrOUnLRA7yEeZ0i35U=; X-YMail-OSG: ymRa2IgVM1m_Gag2luj8Ab_oHi3AOeYQp69bpld.3d3HYTem8adUx5RzRBpt3goyKiBoWn46FdWP5lNYHeh33Rne.XvMV1EJ0BxS3D1QLovPDj7fsm8- Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2007 21:53:32 -0800 (PST) From: Dan Subject: Re: My obnoxious looping tale... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <644233.91234.qm@web34213.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76626 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2007 05:53:34 +0000 (UTC) I absoulutely love my boomerang man and I am sending my second brand new backup Boomerang for some repairs to get repaired. I go into a Ultrasonic Acoustic Amp with my handmade original designed guitar I built and other classical/flamenco/acousic guitars. Believe it or not this amp is incredible and can even handly distorted electric guitar signals that are not overly pushing a signal! The range of the "overrated on purpose speaker" Greg Farris(Designer/technician) at UJC Electronics is astounding with a beefy little piezo built right into through the center mounted cone. It also has effects send and return which has much better practicality in use with the boomerangs and effect processors. I have one amp for the left channel and one amp for the right channel for a very rich soundfield for classy presentations in my performances. www.myspace.com/albertiniguitarworks and Albertini Projects/Eagle Dawn/Trainwreck Society, etc. etc. I hope you enjoy what you hear and my information about my setup is helpful? Stay in touch if at all possible with us :o) --- rithma wrote: > > MAN > this looping fiasco has been the most obscenely tail chasing redundant > goose chase ive ever been on with my robots. Two years ago i > bought ableton live, the Behringer foot controller, > and a mixer. it worked, but never the creative aspect that endless > overdubbing brings. > Then i (verrrrry irresponsible credit card user) bought an RC-50, > played with it for a week, then got that credit card guilt thing and > returned it. THEN when visiting San Francisco, a 'b-boy' lookin kid > walks by me on Haight street with an echoplex digital pro under his > arm, like how youd carry a book. "Echoplex! Right On!!!" i > yelled, and he immediately engaged in a conversation about how al it > needed was a new mix pot and other than that its perfect blah blah > blah, make me an offer. so AS A JOKE, i say "how bout 20 > bucks?"... he responds with a confrontational "aw man, im > offended!" (and this is where all of you on this list decide to hate > me) he says "gimme twenty five". TWENTY FIVE DOLLARS. i > soldered in a new mix pot and scrubbed the 80's looking Graffitti off > the face and top, bought the footpedal for a hundred bucks, and > voialah, there went the next month of my nights, stony and looping > and really just cant handle working in mono!!! so our lovely > vocalist nica adopts the thing, i go back to the drawing board with > an Ableton upgrade, spending countless hours and weeks and months > programming and CC'ing and > once it finally starts working just right.........(!)....ableton > starts crashing on me every time i open it. Every time the band > comes over. And Om Records is on my case about not having an act > together after 2 years of configuring. > so i went out and bought an RC - 50 again, hoping to sync it to my > bands master clock and control hardware effects (ensoniq DP-2) with > the old foot controller. > I also wiped my hard drive on my laptop and installed reaktor because > it sounds so nutty. Maybe ill dump another hundred bucks into an > ableton upgrade to see if it runs without crashing. > basically what im asking is what the hell am i doing here? people > are waiting to pay us when the show is ready and i am spinning my > wheels in gear and software. its rediculous. > should i sell the echoplex and the RC-50 and get the looperlative? it > looks so simple it kind of weirds me out being so expensive. > do they have foot controllers? > never mind. > i love you all. > > HOW DO YOU GET SOOPERLOOPER TO RUN IN ABLETON??????? > it seemed like the perfect medium, and i tried sometime back without > success. > a step by step rundown would be MUCH appreciated! > > /rithers > > > (normally not this whiney but just so frustrated with the "Every > Looping Device is missing one crucial parameter" clause. > who wrote that anyways? > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 24 07:03:44 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1603D3BEC2; Sat, 24 Nov 2007 07:03:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Ao8CAHxbR0dMRBBE/2dsb2JhbACjBg Reply-To: From: "PiNG" To: "Ambient@hyperreal" , "Dark Seeds" , "Drone Deep Chill" , "Loopers Delight" , "The Ambient Way" , Subject: 11.27.07 > THE PiNG presents SHEN and MARK THIBIDEAU Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2007 02:03:41 -0500 Organization: THE AMBiENT PiNG Message-ID: <000c01c82e68$255cbbd0$a27ba8c0@dream> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1896 Resent-Message-ID: <_ya_7D.A.mWG.Pz8RHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76627 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2007 07:03:44 +0000 (UTC) . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 24 07:52:11 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7C3B83BEB6; Sat, 24 Nov 2007 07:52:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=QQryhEGFmOh26A/RmjfAnLcB/+6GKGOEZD2Pq/GRKFromnrpZ41BuhZl1ZTdXpm5fXYWOpgeL/n3krW4BxYwOFw8wSGTqfi43Qp+vt9RijWs2vsBDh4x4Li5L1Av+m8ejJqPDn2us3feARIBgpj1gfm802bLNiGviovakYYL/AM=; X-YMail-OSG: .mw5dIoVM1kx054ZsrSAPlWkNiyraCh5ibPqYTUMbMYu14WnZ1gb5SVbCPtXMwGuVXfZsdvyLiqD2IZnjU1mtWkHjhmZt23mcA_d1jfaGKH7xq6nCfs- Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2007 23:52:09 -0800 (PST) From: Stephen Scott Subject: Re: Streaming Audio from Norwich Loopfest To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <897966.26059.qm@web34507.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-239648018-1195890729=:63626" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <784093.63626.qm@web53005.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76628 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2007 07:52:11 +0000 (UTC) --0-239648018-1195890729=:63626 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Wow, thanks, glad you like it ! Stephen mesquamacus@yahoo.com wrote: Still listening...I'm on Stephen Scott's Gather the lustral star. Fantastic!! --- andy butler wrote: > this playlist collects all currently available audio > from Norwich Loopfest > > http://www.andybutler.com/norwichfest.m3u > > 1-4 Stephen Scott > 5-10 Matt Stevens > 11-13 Michael Peters > 14-16 Darkroom > 17-19 andy butler > > andy > > www.myspace.com/mesqua www.reverbnation.com/stevenguerrero ____________________________________________________________________________________ Get easy, one-click access to your favorites. Make Yahoo! your homepage. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs --------------------------------- Be a better pen pal. Text or chat with friends inside Yahoo! Mail. See how. --0-239648018-1195890729=:63626 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Wow, thanks, glad you like it !

        Stephen

        mesquamacus@yahoo.com wrote:
        Still listening...I'm on Stephen Scott's Gather the
        lustral star. Fantastic!!

        --- andy butler wrote:

        > this playlist collects all currently available audio
        > from Norwich Loopfest
        >
        > http://www.andybutler.com/norwichfest.m3u
        >
        > 1-4 Stephen Scott
        > 5-10 Matt Stevens
        > 11-13 Michael Peters
        > 14-16 Darkroom
        > 17-19 andy butler
        >
        > andy
        >
        >



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        Be a better pen pal. Text or chat with friends inside Yahoo! Mail. See how. --0-239648018-1195890729=:63626-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 24 07:56:53 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 62B993BEE2; Sat, 24 Nov 2007 07:56:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_20417b1e-51e6-4a22-9acc-40041e5f9d14_" X-Originating-IP: [4.246.78.184] From: samba - To: Subject: Obnoxious tale Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2007 23:56:51 -0800 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <20071124055335.38F943BEF3@arsenic.violacea.com> References: <20071124055335.38F943BEF3@arsenic.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Nov 2007 07:56:51.0856 (UTC) FILETIME=[92C30100:01C82E6F] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76629 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2007 07:56:53 +0000 (UTC) --_20417b1e-51e6-4a22-9acc-40041e5f9d14_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The best possible solution is to sell the RC50 to me for 25 bucks should i sell the echoplex and the RC-50 and get the looperlative? it look= s so simple it kind of weirds me out being so expensive. do they have foot = controllers?never mind. =20 =20 _________________________________________________________________ You keep typing, we keep giving. Download Messenger and join the i=92m Init= iative now. http://im.live.com/messenger/im/home/?source=3DTAGLM= --_20417b1e-51e6-4a22-9acc-40041e5f9d14_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   The best possible solution is to sell the RC50 to me for 25 bucks

        should i sell the echoplex and th= e RC-50 and get the looperlative?  it looks so simple it kind of weird= s me out being so expensive. 
        do they have foot controllers?=
        never mind.  


         




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        You keep typing, we keep giving. Download Messenger and join the i=92= m Initiative now. Join in! = --_20417b1e-51e6-4a22-9acc-40041e5f9d14_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 24 08:02:20 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 28EC63BEE7; Sat, 24 Nov 2007 08:02:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=hKrK64L9XO7+mGUYR+zDEZXUH7KSRqJqGAGEHGiPBF2ZShOcBflWiUDFflosPFv0Hovpk/eEZ9A+O9R+QqYCwiXhh6CajF4i1e4m3z6fLxMfa7Qxj87KhzRNj6d+kUMaaoQIGmic2fxNNAezR83DSjX7IUuAuIPr5PY5K4+GjVo=; X-YMail-OSG: 6W7zJl8VM1nLrEyus3glaORGvOu2bRI6TL2Ve26YBfV5ZBiR8ZvRz1wnlBMmXLj8hTdG1j4Xc3u1xBeBXAa5lZhAk7AmITc._ePvp1nd80ZH9Bgh_5h.8NKrO4g2ee0CeWXg7FRcGm_V5Mk- Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2007 00:02:18 -0800 (PST) From: Stephen Scott Subject: Re: Streaming Audio from Norwich Loopfest To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <897966.26059.qm@web34507.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1407861438-1195891338=:35632" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <608526.35632.qm@web53011.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76630 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2007 08:02:20 +0000 (UTC) --0-1407861438-1195891338=:35632 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit btw, you'll find a much better version on http://www.myspace.com/sylvianfisher Yours cheekily, Stephen mesquamacus@yahoo.com wrote: Still listening...I'm on Stephen Scott's Gather the lustral star. Fantastic!! --- andy butler wrote: > this playlist collects all currently available audio > from Norwich Loopfest > > http://www.andybutler.com/norwichfest.m3u > > 1-4 Stephen Scott > 5-10 Matt Stevens > 11-13 Michael Peters > 14-16 Darkroom > 17-19 andy butler > > andy > > www.myspace.com/mesqua www.reverbnation.com/stevenguerrero ____________________________________________________________________________________ Get easy, one-click access to your favorites. Make Yahoo! your homepage. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs --------------------------------- Be a better sports nut! Let your teams follow you with Yahoo Mobile. Try it now. --0-1407861438-1195891338=:35632 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit btw, you'll find a much better version on

        http://www.myspace.com/sylvianfisher

        Yours cheekily,  Stephen

        mesquamacus@yahoo.com wrote:
        Still listening...I'm on Stephen Scott's Gather the
        lustral star. Fantastic!!

        --- andy butler wrote:

        > this playlist collects all currently available audio
        > from Norwich Loopfest
        >
        > http://www.andybutler.com/norwichfest.m3u
        >
        > 1-4 Stephen Scott
        > 5-10 Matt Stevens
        > 11-13 Michael Peters
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Join in! = --_3f585591-890b-41ad-bf90-a8017a7a1ea0_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 24 09:41:57 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 11CD73BEF4; Sat, 24 Nov 2007 09:41:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; bh=gxJugZzxV26NHTCZ7+dKBdI1jwGyo7d5B2IvKsMyPWs=; b=kqWDGDSHGT6TJM4QzDoeLG9oBefHcWSX0IbIA8kETamiN6YlxehfFnJbdjnXyC4MRYyKLnbIJ+dgjaNqPTcOmA3w7h3HbaQs9EOHqa1sl28AzdJM0gX4lUYm+xY7kBVPnrqCenVBVYHLbqbAfLCFKh7sZabXy2HaM+ZTg97aLcY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=dhtCDS3X2Vrej/lZpylF/ZAjDa0VwvlXj5X9vQWzKomRcUsTFMkgXdxyfivXY/60r8pktOfn0I30P0wbZq5Uw5hPkL8ovsHXb37sbQjFhq0nVBlb+Y8XhxrOgMZ+Y25XD6biJrqaRWrOdXHewP3OVpa358kUYY9V+c9al4/Oq/I= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <37f071c00711231901p2ee11ee8ofb9cc25ed4116a1f@mail.gmail.com> References: <008701c82e39$19d1c2d0$6401a8c0@dayglogreen> <37f071c00711231901p2ee11ee8ofb9cc25ed4116a1f@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Repeater s/w ? Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2007 10:41:48 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: <5nkzu.A.ZAC.kH_RHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76632 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2007 09:41:56 +0000 (UTC) On 24 nov 2007, at 02.26, Rick Walker wrote: >> For the first time in history , I've been able to take a found >> object, >> loop it and then play it as a chromatic instrument over three >> octaves. On 24 nov 2007, at 04.01, Kevin Cheli-Colando wrote: > I may be dense here, but are you just setting the pitch of the loop > via midi and playing it with a foot controller or something else? >> Could be done that way. Could also be done with any MIDI controller; like a piano style keyboard or an EWI. The Repeater not only applies a shift in pitch but also does instant time-stretching to keep the loop length the same. On 24 nov 2007, at 02.26, Rick Walker wrote: >> Their intention is to release both the hardware unit and the >> software by NAMM in Anaheim (end of January) >> I'm really looking forward to the release of this unit in both >> hardware I'm only interested in the software version. I hope it can be run in parallel with Loigic or MainStage on a mac. A second context I'm curious about is to have the VRP host Riverrun AU. Exciting times... can't help holding by breath... So it's NAMM then, good to know. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://www.youtube.com/pellibox (gritty) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 24 09:55:23 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2C9FE3BEE7; Sat, 24 Nov 2007 09:55:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:content-transfer-encoding:message-id:content-type:to:from:subject:date:x-mailer; bh=sO9P3IeilNEsg6irDECWeVEfWwabUEBuTlgWHp3KzyU=; b=hhqZt2s/EvDTsQpSoUW/oIsVm6E9sXkH1qVfsvfHosHJ1qaNspY7R8NcLfATN4Ga3lT7MMCCDfw3F4vn2/lGCc7KvIuOGflvHRmTHkaIKDTVz/aDi8qvvsQPEKTW2qo1aAUPjjQapQZepkujDgq2z2hCKmnClQTJ0hypvFL4I6Y= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=received:mime-version:content-transfer-encoding:message-id:content-type:to:from:subject:date:x-mailer; b=KZf/QfiREuzms3g4uNYtYzXVuT9YTSUqH16h8SOolH24i5cMIJxfqrzo1KDmDvJcZ8gmVk2Do7Y3U33SX/QJbihF33KgO5fJjZWyPmlP+7na9HYiUsZAkuJ8HBqMtK2Ak7+maKZxoA1ogV9WWQJ45u3eD5YA66HpqPssGJZmBQ0= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <9FD1F484-BE71-4437-AC01-343051D21045@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed To: Loopers From: Per Boysen Subject: Software: J-Looper-X (Plogue Bidule) Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2007 10:55:16 +0100 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76633 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2007 09:55:23 +0000 (UTC) I just ran into this software looper "Group" for Bidule. Anyone checked it out yet? http://www.plogue.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=2930 I have a couple of busy days before I can get at it, so I thought I would just ask around here because you people know what's good in a looper. Did a quick check and it seems to have many useful features, it just takes some time to assign a MIDI pedal and try it out in playing action. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://www.youtube.com/pellibox (gritty) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 24 11:03:09 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 030E23BEF3; Sat, 24 Nov 2007 11:03:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 639269922-mk-filter-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com-B2C-$THROTTLED-DYNAMIC-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 79.74.231.244 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Aq4HAO6TR0dPSuf0/2dsb2JhbACCJgSOYJJc Message-ID: <474804F2.1050407@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2007 11:03:14 +0000 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: My obnoxious looping tale... References: <001101c8256a$679b2100$1001a8c0@succubus> <172038C2-3010-422C-BBB7-0B1035749DAB@rithma.org> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76634 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2007 11:03:08 +0000 (UTC) rithma wrote: > > MAN > this looping fiasco has been the most obscenely tail chasing redundant > goose chase ive ever been on with my robots. Two years ago i bought > ableton live, the Behringer foot controller, ...and so on forget Ableton, that's for softies ;-) Get yourself Plogue Bidule, and use it as a host to run Mobius, and whatever other looping plug-ins you fancy. Mobius quite likely has enough of the EDP functionality for you, in stereo (only for pc tho', are you on mac?) Actually, I think Ableton does have a lot of useful features, but the ethos is to replay canned samples. Generally "live" loop-people using Ableton have some form of headphone to monitor a click track, (or they mime the initial loop). Really though, the choice between laptop, a second EDP, or Looperlative depends on what you actually want to do with it. andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 24 14:03:58 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8F2503BEE0; Sat, 24 Nov 2007 14:03:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=zjK4dsNO/1KosYAlAs3NWO+sur2QUIQzYBeYKHZzgvQ=; b=NC1c/EfSDe8IugXiQLzipW0mJRQYmyjxtTuTxj9DJnAEzEDzqPiB3omEjNFCdUFseKjDpPsACO+yd1+p4mBPpywekqos18QIXXS0qx2/9LYc8PKjY9NCZe6lpxNR3nplhFONvG4RKYYD7onDSq8Rp0q7E2PUWcB58GUNzFc3jvw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=Ijb+TAMOPJYLUKDOmxeTDJrWXLNE04FyelKnK6qe1z8rQ734GAj0NtVi7JsrihP6xAUZuGhzRPjaxUsi93Eb0uT5L+SfnMONWAX2SFnIbqpxFC5VIcviG9g57BlyQgS/CXU8JPaTicA+m7bq1h3fo9xb1uS9tm7uvbEPAZZWK3s= Message-ID: Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2007 15:03:45 +0100 From: "Raul Bonell" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Software: J-Looper-X (Plogue Bidule) In-Reply-To: <9FD1F484-BE71-4437-AC01-343051D21045@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_26332_15942105.1195913025654" References: <9FD1F484-BE71-4437-AC01-343051D21045@gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76635 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2007 14:03:58 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_26332_15942105.1195913025654 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Wow... Holy Shit!... Let's go test it.. 2007/11/24, Per Boysen : > > > I just ran into this software looper "Group" for Bidule. Anyone > checked it out yet? > http://www.plogue.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=2930 > > I have a couple of busy days before I can get at it, so I thought I > would just ask around here because you people know what's good in a > looper. Did a quick check and it seems to have many useful features, > it just takes some time to assign a MIDI pedal and try it out in > playing action. > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > www.looproom.com (international) > http://www.youtube.com/pellibox (gritty) > > > > > -- The Playing Orchestra: http://www.telefonica.net/web2/tpo Chain Tape Collective: http://www.ct-collective.com TPO at myspace: http://www.myspace.com/theplayingorchestra ------=_Part_26332_15942105.1195913025654 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Wow... Holy Shit!...

        Let's go test it..

        2007/11/24, Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com>:

        I just ran into this software looper "Group" for Bidule. Anyone
        checked it out yet?
        http://www.plogue.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=2930

        I have a couple of busy days before I can get at it, so I thought I
        would just ask around here because you people know what's good in a
        looper. Did a quick check and it seems to have many useful features,
        it just takes some time to assign a MIDI pedal and try it out in
        playing action.

        Greetings from Sweden

        Per Boysen
        www.boysen.se (Swedish)
        www.looproom.com (international)
        http://www.youtube.com/pellibox (gritty)







        --
        The Playing Orchestra: http://www.telefonica.net/web2/tpo
        Chain Tape Collective: http://www.ct-collective.com
        TPO at myspace: http://www.myspace.com/theplayingorchestra ------=_Part_26332_15942105.1195913025654-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 24 15:16:33 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E83123BED8; Sat, 24 Nov 2007 15:16:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <474804F2.1050407@tiscali.co.uk> References: <001101c8256a$679b2100$1001a8c0@succubus> <172038C2-3010-422C-BBB7-0B1035749DAB@rithma.org> <474804F2.1050407@tiscali.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Chris Sewell Subject: Re: My obnoxious looping tale... Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2007 10:16:28 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76636 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2007 15:16:33 +0000 (UTC) Of course it all depends on what you are using this rig for. It sounds like you are trying to use it within an ensemble setting. If so, syncing with the band is an issue. The RC50 does have midi sync, but it only works when it is the master. Plogue and Ableton will work beautifully. I like Ableton very much because Im a softy. Also I like the layout, stability and compatability (rewire etc). Sooperlooper is a mac app and Mobius is a windows rig. Either can be hosted in Plogue or Ableton. It seems to make sense to use these as a virtual EDP as they are free and you already have Ableton. There is plenty of info on using these in there respective forums. Once you are up and running you will feel immortal. Go for it. You may even fire the band. Good luck. Chris On Nov 24, 2007, at 6:03 AM, andy butler wrote: > rithma wrote: >> MAN >> this looping fiasco has been the most obscenely tail chasing >> redundant goose chase ive ever been on with my robots. Two >> years ago i bought ableton live, the Behringer foot >> controller, ...and so on > > forget Ableton, that's for softies ;-) > > Get yourself Plogue Bidule, and use it as a host to run Mobius, and > whatever > other looping plug-ins you fancy. > Mobius quite likely has enough of the EDP functionality for you, > in stereo (only for pc tho', are you on mac?) > > Actually, I think Ableton does have a lot of useful features, but > the ethos is to replay canned samples. 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Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/sports;_ylt=At9_qDKvtAbMuh1G1SQtBI7ntAcJ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 24 21:03:03 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BC9563BEE2; Sat, 24 Nov 2007 21:03:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-RZG-CLASS-ID: mo07 X-RZG-AUTH: lUESeo99iNzPL8kuBgLYdKEqUywq9cxqeRA+BtFcSCD5deQ7OIRDzQ4SCQ== From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: AW: EH SMM w/ Hazari Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2007 22:03:35 +0100 Organization: Moinlabs Message-ID: <000301c82edd$7a772d60$1001a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: AcguEc7dvhM7z79ITIaps+/T4LA88gAyecNQ In-Reply-To: <47473BF7.7090809@tiscali.co.uk> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Resent-Message-ID: <8osQPB.A.E7C.HGJSHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76638 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2007 21:03:03 +0000 (UTC) > My finding was that while all the features Rainer describes > are present, somehow the whole thing is a bit unsatisfying. Exactly my first impression...there are a few nice features, some of which are not present in any other low-cost contemporary box (varispeed for loops), yet there are some flaws which would've been avoidable and which really challenge the useability. The main flaws in my opinion: 1. Bypass works globally (as you already mentioned) and only as hard bypass (meaning no way to have echoes trail on while you play on top of them). 2. Two footswitches simply aren't enough. They should've gone for at least three (and a connector for an expression pedal which could be assigned to any function like with the DL4). 3. No individual dry/wet control. 4. Having to hold a button for recording/overdubbing. 5. No real loop start/stop. > Would you be able to do a looping show with just this? I believe yes, you would, just the same as you would be able to do this with a DL4 or RC2 or something...but not as good as with a DD20. > recording the second loop is possible, if you could cover the > gap somehow while working the series of presses to erase the > old loop. It's this that really makes the box unwieldy. How do the competitors in that price range (e.g. Boss RC-20XL) work here? I know that the DL4 is only slightly better to that regard. > Further investigation (Rainer??) might reveal if it's > possible to have the delay time sync to the loop length, > obviously it's possible to tap in a loop that fits the delay. I don't get that question...as far as I understand, it's not some automatic function. Of course, you can tap a delay tempo which fits to the loop, but if you change the loop tempo, you'll have to change the delay by tapping a new tempo... Rainer From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 25 01:02:16 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B26BD3BEDC; Sun, 25 Nov 2007 01:02:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 366 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Sun, 25 Nov 2007 01:02:16 UTC DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; bh=KQHljWodZVVnwpH7foa8w1Sp6iIAfORqNMMY+4g+3u8=; b=OfH+qNqYTpvQqpymQAEH5S/YwMYHBMb8soQ1ABh52DoOZmdFwqRoORqvBzfFhBz2mkN5Nq7lY4XaWXhQRgZzTeVYSmJthClP9MjEnwgeH/5SqhFbsjv8Uc7ku7OqClCR27fzxX6MzhESeTbvvTxjHTMAN04UaTfrS5LODC1R01I= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=EMZm2PfKtZan2TZIDjH8UyDuJLgN0+M+d9MNZ6ITonCLbr/c/KmaYamxBHlT+Sy4OLLWO0K6vPU+sAezJHctekN1unCD9AMHieWE8VWduitPeNLK6ymgtAKaHBYSol+0EZPYc3hPvUCmKZJhw2dw5bqBnVVeSrxdzPUkoJh5zUg= Message-ID: Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2007 16:56:09 -0800 From: "Matt Davignon" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: need electrix power supply MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76639 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 01:02:16 +0000 (UTC) I just ebayed a new toy for the drum machine - an electrix filter queen. It does not come with a power supply though. Does anybody know where I can buy one? Matt Davignon www.ribosomemusic.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 25 02:25:48 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 430013BEDB; Sun, 25 Nov 2007 02:25:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=Kle/TTek0spaCIYD7wD9GzpjJepOizH5RdradWg9bJQ=; b=PUweXFbUPlRQJRgjaTOPKDVSPLYdx38VCmLTDmoyj6NA1Wo07B2pEfWrZX20VM8Sx4JTzU/oX89mdOp63IHtYzjzjfx8GLxHSMn+flZP2eyjAkJdRvUyy18Lt89oaDhHF8tlaHorcEKPKXx5lfeY8Dy9mVQX1gqW/yUNlzONkI4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=FJ9dYFDPCaLaeAMK9+5HvsDroX2SZQA4RrKv448NwbTxrZQ6z8fTtroMf1kJzTd/y6RplXzjBl9/s9Sjb1+5111I+lnkONrQvC7CErH2QGJp0kn6o1HARneewHgRoo+mj1k0cf7eO3w/vbQWnCetqJXKVPPobiIU08AFyBZC2UQ= Message-ID: <37f071c00711241825r39a11855r2326371f54667332@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2007 18:25:46 -0800 From: "Kevin Cheli-Colando" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: need electrix power supply In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76640 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 02:25:48 +0000 (UTC) Have you contacted Electrix (http://www.electrixpro.com)? They really are doing very well at answering questions these days (or they have for me). Kevin On Nov 24, 2007 4:56 PM, Matt Davignon wrote: > I just ebayed a new toy for the drum machine - an electrix filter > queen. It does not come with a power supply though. Does anybody know > where I can buy one? > > Matt Davignon > www.ribosomemusic.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 25 05:38:41 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5E0303BED8; Sun, 25 Nov 2007 05:38:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:from:to:subject:date:message-id:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-mailer:thread-index:content-language; bh=m/K5Ee4C6+h1dI/zqS5stq6p+VD/9LZcdR9bHfyB9fg=; b=KguRxDld7E8MUG9jWmeIX1sVJIa3k0WScnGA32ypf0u3aKrvY9wV0U7YFXqPCTzNlJBN4odngR3waGMaI1gufgfZQNuTrHXoUQ8SnHSDjSg7lH8vY28widUo9kHbtWqHtfJtNjpCr1EPptiZ3QDJASnNm2mOkukSZQZWBPGRXQ4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=received:from:to:subject:date:message-id:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-mailer:thread-index:content-language; b=xKTQfWv9RAZ/8DNcGtpn6/cmlPcMeGIzIWPMi4we8+AwZWB/H6dP9rP6+I7gjMwnZZHOr0dqCQc36LF+yhIghIAPCDXP06pQxNZmiH0axmNMzLaWVTnu3yUleyjiAaQVTJuKRcW5jOGYjmCTmL1Gk6dti6kmJIDUMknySKa9nLo= From: "Tony K" To: Subject: JACK for Windows Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 00:38:37 -0500 Message-ID: <005b01c82f25$6f53d6c0$4dfb8440$@com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1250" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 thread-index: AcgvJTaBFQAmDp4UQlCIFpsdnMBzlw== Content-Language: en-us Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76641 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 05:38:41 +0000 (UTC) This is good news... for the softies. :) http://createdigitalmusic.com/2007/09/13/windows-does-jack-multi-app-audio-o n-mac-linux-and-now-pc JACK was written for Linux and lets you route the audio from one app to another. 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        ================== From A Friend To a Friend From worldinfo10@nyc.rr.com Sun Nov 25 16:48:30 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: from ms-smtp-03.rdc-nyc.rr.com (ms-smtp-03.rdc-nyc.rr.com [24.29.109.7]) by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 808003BEC1 for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2007 16:48:27 +0000 (UTC) Received: from ms-mss-01 (ms-mss-01-smtp-a [10.10.4.7]) by ms-smtp-03.rdc-nyc.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id lAPGmQ9K008248 for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2007 11:48:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from rdc-nyc.rr.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ms-mss-01.rdc-nyc.rr.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 2.10 (built Dec 26 2005)) with ESMTP id <0JS200HSNMOP3G@ms-mss-01.rdc-nyc.rr.com> for looparc@loopers-delight.com; Sun, 25 Nov 2007 11:48:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from [10.10.6.25] (Forwarded-For: [81.199.172.177]) by ms-mss-01.rdc-nyc.rr.com (mshttpd); Sun, 25 Nov 2007 08:48:25 -0800 Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 08:48:25 -0800 From: worldinfo10@nyc.rr.com Subject: Ref: L/200-26937 Reply-To: uklotteryagentparcelclaims@yahoo.co.uk Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: iPlanet Messenger Express 5.2 HotFix 2.10 (built Dec 26 2005) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-language: en Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Content-disposition: inline X-Accept-Language: en Priority: normal X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine To: undisclosed-recipients:; Uk National Lottery Ref=3A L/200-26937 Batch=3A 2007MJL-01 Email=3A uklotteryagentparcelclaims=40yahoo=2Eco=2Euk ONLINE NOTIFICATION We are pleased to inform you November=2C 2007 of the result of the = winners of the UK NATIONAL LOTTERY ONLINE PROMO PROGRAMME=2C held on the= = 20th of November=2C 2007=2EYou have therefore been approved to claim a Lu= mp = sum pay out of =A31=2C000 000 (One Million Pounds Sterling) in cash = credited to file XYL/26510460037/06=2E Which means you are one of the = winners of the Uk Online National Lottery=2E To file for your claim=2C please contact our claims agent=3B Mr=2E Pinkett Griffin Email=3Auklotteryagentparcelclaims=40yahoo=2Eco=2Euk = TEL=3A+447045721629 Provide him with the information below=3A 1=2EFull Name=3A 2=2EFull Address=3A 3=2EMarital Status=3A 4=2EOccupation=3A 5=2EAge=3A 6=2ESex=3A 7=2ENationality=3A 8=2ECountry Of Residence=3A 9=2ETelephone Number=3A Congratulations once more from all members and staff of this program=2E Sincerely=2C = Mrs=2E Rose Wood UK NATIONAL LOTTERY=2E From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 25 17:08:54 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C2FC33BEDC; Sun, 25 Nov 2007 17:08:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <9FD1F484-BE71-4437-AC01-343051D21045@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 11:08:38 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Mech Subject: Re: Software: J-Looper-X (Plogue Bidule) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="============_-1016111969==_ma============" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76643 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 17:08:54 +0000 (UTC) --============_-1016111969==_ma============ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" At 3:03 PM +0100 11/24/07, Raul Bonell wrote: >>2007/11/24, Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com>: >> >>I just ran into this software looper "Group" for Bidule. Anyone >>checked it out yet? >>http://www.plogue.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=2930 > >Wow... Holy Shit!... > >Let's go test it.. Gave it a quick functional run-through yesterday. Quick, as in I merely opened the Bidule AU inside Live and blasted a few clips through there to see if it works. Looks promising, but here are some specifics. You need to have the latest version of Bidule. I was a bit behind (0.94) and it kept giving me permissions errors when I'd try to open the Group. An upgrade to 0.96 solved that. It's a bit of a CPU hog. With just this one AU/Group alone sitting idle in Live, I was just over the 40% CPU mark (this on a Macbook 2Ghz Core2Duo). While processing, I could hear some clicks and pops as the load would occasionally spike, this was more of an issue while tweaking the controls in realtime. This is not so much a consideration when using Bidule standalone, as the CPU only pops up to 22% while idle in that configuration. That's still a lot for a single widget, but not insurmountable. Basics: one stereo track, with Overdubbing and Feedback. It'll run either synced to a host -- you plug in the beats/bars -- or free-run where you define in the loop length value, ala delay-line looping. It has Pitch Shift (tape style; where it stretches the time simultaneously) and loop Reverse. It also features individual sections for optional Distortion/Saturation as well as a section with about 7 different types of Filtering, each of which can be applied to degrade the loop on every iteration as it fades. At first glance, pretty capable, although I was only able to dedicate about a half-hour to it. I did notice some issues with changing pitch in realtime, but I think that was actually due to the extra load the calculations were placing on my box. And I kept getting a looped click when I used the "clear memory" button in sync mode under Live, but no problems in free run. I didn't get a chance to test out MIDI I/O, but I already know that's pretty solid in Bidule. It's fun. If you've got Bidule, give it a whirl. Thanks for the link, Per!!! :) --m. -- _____ "bye-bye empire; empire, bye-bye" --============_-1016111969==_ma============ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Re: Software: J-Looper-X (Plogue Bidule)
        At 3:03 PM +0100 11/24/07, Raul Bonell wrote:
        2007/11/24, Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com>:

        I just ran into this software looper "Group" for Bidule. Anyone
        checked it out yet?
        http://www.plogue.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=2930

        Wow... Holy Shit!...
        Let's go test it..

        Gave it a quick functional run-through yesterday.  Quick, as in I merely opened the Bidule AU inside Live and blasted a few clips through there to see if it works.  Looks promising, but here are some specifics.

        You need to have the latest version of Bidule.  I was a bit behind (0.94) and it kept giving me permissions errors when I'd try to open the Group.  An upgrade to 0.96 solved that.

        It's a bit of a CPU hog.  With just this one AU/Group alone sitting idle in Live, I was just over the 40% CPU mark (this on a Macbook 2Ghz Core2Duo).  While processing, I could hear some clicks and pops as the load would occasionally spike, this was more of an issue while tweaking the controls in realtime.  This is not so much a consideration when using Bidule standalone, as the CPU only pops up to 22% while idle in that configuration.  That's still a lot for a single widget, but not insurmountable.

        Basics: one stereo track, with Overdubbing and Feedback.  It'll run either synced to a host -- you plug in the beats/bars -- or free-run where you define in the loop length value, ala delay-line looping.  It has Pitch Shift (tape style; where it stretches the time simultaneously) and loop Reverse.  It also features individual sections for optional Distortion/Saturation as well as a section with about 7 different types of Filtering, each of which can be applied to degrade the loop on every iteration as it fades.

        At first glance, pretty capable, although I was only able to dedicate about a half-hour to it.  I did notice some issues with changing pitch in realtime, but I think that was actually due to the extra load the calculations were placing on my box.  And I kept getting a looped click when I used the "clear memory" button in sync mode under Live, but no problems in free run.  I didn't get a chance to test out MIDI I/O, but I already know that's pretty solid in Bidule.

        It's fun.  If you've got Bidule, give it a whirl.

        Thanks for the link, Per!!!  :)

                --m.
        --
        _____
        "bye-bye empire; empire, bye-bye"
        --============_-1016111969==_ma============-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 25 19:17:58 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 60CC83BEDD; Sun, 25 Nov 2007 19:17:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=MtpS2PNoUm3f6UX6Dl1ce2Z1WV5i2YDf24CmezP1BVs=; b=gII15r5lChi6A8ZF1kvgCE7rLWMxnQQtGlPaPI6/l8lZTOo3Qivi9VIL4NsAhYTfh+6BhXlzkFV/vv4Um8mjdaWSNSv/0YY+x3xpttv/Pz1xCaqfTtnzOVZ3V9iUkKY8/wpZ+u+0G5irRhtbE6TLh6x+u/Szmg9oFflOym3E13M= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=ljRF/CqBIouPMEsqs5F+JI8YwVgBc1C81thBbFSHFms96RnPBRz2+HTeBbJCEz2V1vufg6rMmWVvnZCAlhZ5AffvO+OamdRa8pKLaHrNhFunAXSeSxkglgiQW7KpCNFCxQUsjQkkdRSRiZo59WWjVedYTw6Dj7HO4levdi+Uqak= Message-ID: <9e0440a60711251110p299ebd94k7fbe5e10bfa61b9f@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 14:10:55 -0500 From: "Jim Goodin" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: JACK for Windows In-Reply-To: <005b01c82f25$6f53d6c0$4dfb8440$@com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_33241_14470996.1196017855954" References: <005b01c82f25$6f53d6c0$4dfb8440$@com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76644 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 19:17:58 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_33241_14470996.1196017855954 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Thanks for the head-up onthis Tony I've often wished for such animal to combine or mix audio at desktop level. It looks like this is sourcecode to download and self-compile, are there already compiled specific platorm ports I missed? Jim www.jimgoodinmusic.com www.chinapaintingmusic.com On 11/25/07, Tony K wrote: > > This is good news... for the softies. :) > > > http://createdigitalmusic.com/2007/09/13/windows-does-jack-multi-app-audio-o > n-mac-linux-and-now-pc > > JACK was written for Linux and lets you route the audio from one app to > another. And now it's on Windows. Coolness. > > Tony > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.16.5/1149 - Release Date: > 11/24/2007 > 10:06 AM > > > -- The Acoustic World Guitar of Jim Goodin - http://www.jimgoodinmusic.com MySpace (solo) - http://www.myspace.com/jimgoodinmusic Chinapainting - http://www.chinapaintingmusic.com Chinapainting on My Space - http://www.myspace.com/chinapaintingmusic.com The Jim Goodin label and home for 7 other creative souls - http://www.woodandwiremusic.com Jim Goodin uses GHS Strings - http://www.ghsstrings.com and Seagull Guitars - http://www.seagullguitars.com, Jim Goodin is published by Mel Bay Publications, Inc. - http://www.melbay.com Associates and friends on the web - Daryl Shawn - http://www.swanwelder.com Adam Werner - http://www.adamwerner.com John Stowell - http://www.johnstowell.com Matt Richards - http://www.mattrichardsmusic.net Michael Manring - http://www.manthing.com Will Ackerman - http://www.williamackerman.com New Land Music - http://www.newlandmusic.com ------=_Part_33241_14470996.1196017855954 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Thanks for the head-up onthis Tony I've often wished for such animal to combine or mix audio at desktop level.  It looks like this is sourcecode to download and self-compile, are there already compiled specific platorm ports I missed?

        Jim
        www.chinapaintingmusic.com

        On 11/25/07, Tony K <bigtonyk@gmail.com> wrote:
        This is good news... for the softies. :)

        http://createdigitalmusic.com/2007/09/13/windows-does-jack-multi-app-audio-o
        n-mac-linux-and-now-pc

        JACK was written for Linux and lets you route the audio from one app to
        another.  And now it's on Windows.  Coolness.

        Tony

        No virus found in this outgoing message.
        Checked by AVG Free Edition.
        Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.16.5/1149 - Release Date: 11/24/2007
        10:06 AM





        --
        The Acoustic World Guitar of Jim Goodin  - http://www.jimgoodinmusic.com
        MySpace (solo) - http://www.myspace.com/jimgoodinmusic
        Chinapainting -
        http://www.chinapaintingmusic.com
        Chinapainting on My Space -
        http://www.myspace.com/chinapaintingmusic.com
        The Jim Goodin label and home for 7 other creative souls - http://www.woodandwiremusic.com
        Jim Goodin uses GHS Strings - http://www.ghsstrings.com and Seagull Guitars - http://www.seagullguitars.com , Jim Goodin is published by Mel Bay Publications, Inc. - http://www.melbay.com

        Associates and friends on the web -
        Daryl Shawn -
        http://www.swanwelder.com
        Adam Werner - http://www.adamwerner.com
        John Stowell - http://www.johnstowell.com
        Matt Richards - http://www.mattrichardsmusic.net
        Michael Manring - http://www.manthing.com
        Will Ackerman - http://www.williamackerman.com
        New Land Music - http://www.newlandmusic.com
        ------=_Part_33241_14470996.1196017855954-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 25 22:37:31 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E499D3BECC; Sun, 25 Nov 2007 22:37:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <04b901c82fb3$bf3a4e60$6401a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Kork Mr1 recorder Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 15:37:22 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/related; type="multipart/alternative"; boundary="=_MAILPROV.cableone.net-32267-1196030244-0001-2" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: <4lFAqB.A.I6.qkfSHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76645 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 22:37:30 +0000 (UTC) This is a MIME-formatted message. If you see this text it means that your E-mail software does not support MIME-formatted messages. --=_MAILPROV.cableone.net-32267-1196030244-0001-2 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=_MAILPROV.cableone.net-32267-1196030244-0001-3" This is a MIME-formatted message. If you see this text it means that your E-mail software does not support MIME-formatted messages. --=_MAILPROV.cableone.net-32267-1196030244-0001-3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Check it out. http://www.korg.com/mr1/ Too bad the inputs are mini, though this is the first time I've seen = balanced mini inputs. It comes with a tiny Crown stereo mic. It has an = internal 20 gig drive too. K- Krispen Hartung http://www.krispenhartung.com info@krispenhartung.com --=_MAILPROV.cableone.net-32267-1196030244-0001-3 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
        Check it out.
         
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        Too bad the inputs are mini, though = this is the=20 first time I've seen balanced mini inputs. It comes with a tiny Crown = stereo=20 mic. It has an internal 20 gig drive too.
         
        K-

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They played a great set at the Zeitgeist back in October, and I'm looking forward to adding video to their music on Dec 1. http://www.911gallery.org/directions/directions.htm JAZZ CONCERT Sat Dec 1, 8pm $10 featuring Daniel Levin's Black Bear Trio: Rob Brown , alto sax; Daniel Levin, cello; Gary Fieldman, drums; Dr T, video mix with Alban Bailly's Duo: Alban Bailly, guitar; Heddy Boubaker, sax Daniel Levin was born in 1974 in Burlington, Vermont. He began playing the cello at age six, and studied classical music intensively through adolescence. During this period he attended the Walnut Hill School for the Arts, the Mannes College of Music, and the New England Conservatory of Music. A chance experience improvising with a dancer at the New Arts Festival in Fort Meyers, Florida in the summer of 1993 inspired him to alter his view of himself as a musician: not as an interpreter of the works of early European masters, but as a composer and improviser, who would create his own music, interpreting his experience of the world around him. Since then, he has had opportunities to work with many major improvisers and composers in the creative music world: Borah Bergman, Mark Dresser, Joe Morris, Rob Brown, Joe & Mat Maneri, Tim Berne, J.D. Parran, Warren Smith, Satoshi Takeishi, Joe McPhee, Joe Giardullo, Taylor Ho Bynum, Bhob Rainey, Tom Rainey, Roy Campbell, Frode Gjerstad, Sabir Mateen, Billy Bang, Jason Hwang, William Parker, and many others. Venues in which he has performed include The Vision Festival (NYC), The New Orleans Jazz Festival, JVC Jazz Festival (NYC), XM Satellite Radio, WGBH FM (Boston), The Knitting Factory, Tonic, CBGB's Gallery, The Brecht Forum, Cornelia Street Cafe, Barbes, Vision Club Series, and Roulette. Daniel has performed professionally in several other genres including: Klezmer music with Hankus Netsky, contemporary compositions for solo cello such as Joe Maneri's microtonal Sharafuddin bYah-Yah Maneri Makhdum Ul-Mulk, and large ensemble pieces, including Lou Harrison's Concerto for Violin, Piano, and Orchestra with the NYC-based Alarm Will Sound. http://www.daniel-levin.com/ Alban Bailly's first adventure of music making began with rock in his native France. Music lessons with Eric Le Lann and Cesarius Alvim in Rennes opened him to jazz and free improvisation in the late nineties. Together with percussionist Loup Barraud, Alban formed Ghenso Project and the two traveled to Morocco to study Arabic music in 2001. Under the instruction of Marrakchi Master Mohammed El Quadi, Alban practiced classical guitar and oud. While attending Music Academy in Nancy, Alban came upon a world of free improvisation. Since 2002, he has collaborated and performed with Sebastien Coste, Camille Perrin, Louis-Michel Marion, Claire Cooper, Marit Schechte, Dominique Repecaud, Chris Heenan and many others. Performances at Musique Action festival, Theatre du Saulcy, MJC Lillebonne , France , Belgium and Germany . Newfound interest in gypsy jazz music, learned the gypsy music with gypsy local guitarists and founded the "Meri Wago" gypsy swing jazz trio. He continued his pursuit of eastern European music by playing traditional Balkan music in Novi Sad (Serbia). Alban landed in the USA in 2005 and now calls Philadelphia his home. He frequently performs with Jack Wright and plays actively with many musicians (Evan Lipson, Dave Smolen, John Berndt) and dancers (Nicole Bindler, Eun Jung Gonzales...) with the guitar or accordion. http://www.albanbailly.com/ -- " Practice makes perfect, imperfect is better." -- Paul Bley Emile Tobenfeld, Ph. D. Video Producer Image Processing Specialist Video for your HEAD! 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        From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 26 06:19:33 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0979E3BEC2; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 06:19:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 399 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 06:19:32 UTC X-YMail-OSG: MZUzczIVM1l7bvyWyYABVgi.c94llC.x2901_Yw1pBj3C0wOpf5Dv86On70AyCswzeBQz2eTsw-- Message-ID: <474A63F7.4060809@minds-eye.org> Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 22:13:11 -0800 From: Kevin Cheli-Colando User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.0; en-US; rv:1.8.1.6) Gecko/20070802 SeaMonkey/1.1.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: OT: Gear for sale Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76647 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 06:19:33 +0000 (UTC) Well, After reconfiguring the studio yet again, I have discovered several pieces of gear that I seldom use so, without further ado. Electrix Filter Queen analog filter (1/2 rack) $125 Electrix Filter Factory analog filter (the full one) $200 Electrix EQ Killer $100 Alesis Air FX $100 I also have an Alesis Mod FX Faze and Phlange that I'd part with if anyone is interested. None of the prices include shipping. I'm open to any offers/trades, etc., but I need to get these things out, otherwise I'll try to patch them back into the studio and that would not be good. Thanks Kevin From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 26 10:20:02 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 351AD3BECD; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 10:20:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 640008165-mk-filter-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com-B2C-$THROTTLED-DYNAMIC-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 79.74.134.251 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Aj0KADAsSkdPSob7/2dsb2JhbACCJgSkeg Message-ID: <474A9DDC.1040704@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 10:20:12 +0000 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Kork Mr1 recorder References: <04b901c82fb3$bf3a4e60$6401a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> In-Reply-To: <04b901c82fb3$bf3a4e60$6401a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76648 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 10:20:02 +0000 (UTC) Presumably you throw it away when the internal rechargeable battery is worn out? Otherwise apart from the very big price tag it looks ok. The 1-bit thing renders audio into a format where it's difficult to process the sound in any way (including volume change). While the inventors make great claims for the format it's possible that some of this is hype, mainly for the reason stated above. andy Krispen Hartung wrote: > Check it out. > > http://www.korg.com/mr1/ > > Too bad the inputs are mini, though this is the first time I've seen > balanced mini inputs. It comes with a tiny Crown stereo mic. 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All rights From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 26 15:28:19 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 25DA93BEDC; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 15:28:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <474AE60E.6010000@mhorse.com> Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 09:28:14 -0600 From: Daryl Shawn User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.13 (Windows/20070809) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Manring in Mexico References: <20071121212908.56A563BF17@arsenic.violacea.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76649 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 15:28:19 +0000 (UTC) I was lucky enough to catch bassist Michael Manring over the weekend at a festival here in Mexico, in a city called Puebla (home of the famous blue Talavera tile, and about 2 million people). I wasn't even aware of the festival when I planned the trip, so I felt especially lucky that the dates coincided. He did a solo set, with his Zon basses, Eden amps, a large Tech 21 fuzzbox, Boss reverb pedal and Loop Station. He utilized the Loop Station and an Ebow frequently, as well as all the nutty detuning latches on the Zons, for a very tuneful and very impressive set (with nary a trace of the thick, heavily vibrato'ed pop fretless sound I think he's more known for). Perhaps the most amazing thing was how the crowd ate it up, there were probably 300 people there, the vast majority of whom I'm sure had never heard him before, families with children, punk kids, grandmothers, anybody. Granted, it was a free show, but nobody was leaving and the cheering was a roar. For SOLO BASS. awesome. The one disappointment in the festival is that the Spanish band Ojos de Brujo, who have been mentioned here before, were scheduled to play but canceled for some reason. The composer Michael Nyman also did a performance, but before I arrived. Daryl Shawn www.swanwelder.com www.chinapaintingmusic.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 26 15:58:00 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 449B83BEDB; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 15:58:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-SBRS: None X-SenderGroup: RELAYLIST X-MailFlowPolicy: $RELAYED X-MID: 633792944 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: tape based pitching Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 15:57:49 -0000 Message-ID: <1BB076E4C332F9469148F41725F17A720636A69A@MTVNE-EXCLUST02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> In-Reply-To: <47449EF0.6090904@tiscali.co.uk> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: tape based pitching Thread-Index: AcgwRRgf1BSLm9FRTaGO3Hj5RzzOPA== References: <47449EF0.6090904@tiscali.co.uk> From: "Goddard, Duncan" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Nov 2007 15:57:53.0414 (UTC) FILETIME=[1A6AC260:01C83045] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76650 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 15:58:00 +0000 (UTC) >>the tape based pitch shifter used by Stockhausen was called a Springer Machine<< andy, how did you come by this factoid? I thought the only tape-based pitch shifter was the eltro..... gotham studios had one, & the BBC radiophonic workshop, & someone here (my apologies) sent me some literature on it, which I may be able to dredge up. duncan. From no-reply@paypai.com Mon Nov 26 16:00:34 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 372 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 16:00:34 UTC Received: from smtp5.uk2.net (smtp5.uk2.net [83.170.81.185]) by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4837B3BEA9; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 16:00:34 +0000 (UTC) Received: from adsl-66-139-44-21.dsl.tulsok.swbell.net ([66.139.44.21] helo=User) by smtp5.uk2.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1IwgHJ-0000e8-70; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 15:54:06 +0000 From: "PayPaI" Subject: Alert: Your account access has been limited! 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        From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 26 16:19:20 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C722A3BEE2; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 16:19:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-SBRS: None X-SenderGroup: RELAYLIST X-MailFlowPolicy: $RELAYED X-MID: 700904982 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: EH SMM w/ Hazari Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 16:19:06 -0000 Message-ID: <1BB076E4C332F9469148F41725F17A720636A6C9@MTVNE-EXCLUST02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> In-Reply-To: <000301c82edd$7a772d60$1001a8c0@succubus> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: EH SMM w/ Hazari Thread-Index: AcgwSBD1MfgKvOZJRPCsyaSUO8d2cg== References: <000301c82edd$7a772d60$1001a8c0@succubus> From: "Goddard, Duncan" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Nov 2007 16:19:11.0168 (UTC) FILETIME=[14048C00:01C83048] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76651 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 16:19:20 +0000 (UTC) =20 >>The main flaws in my opinion: 1. Bypass works globally (as you already mentioned) and only as hard bypass (meaning no way to have echoes trail on while you play on top of them). 2. Two footswitches simply aren't enough. They should've gone for at least three (and a connector for an expression pedal which could be assigned to any function like with the DL4).<< I wish I'd bought one of these while I was in the US last week. I still have a few hundred bucks in cash if anyone wants to volunteer to mail me one- in the UK, it will probably cost me a lot more, & I'd only be buying it to investigate the potential for after-market mods. unless it turns out to be great fun anyway. :-) for instance, it must surely be possible to modify the bypass switching so that one still hears the output of the delay & looper.... the unit's input would be fed directly to the output jacks & not to the inputs of the delay/looper circuitry. surely. & adding expression pedals is simply a case of mounting some stereo jack sockets so that an expression pedal replaces one of the onboard pots. assuming that the pots are mono & around 50k impedance..... or one of those bendy things that you work with a pedal that replaces the knob. >>3. No individual dry/wet control.<< my guitarist has more than enough delay pedals for this not to be a problem. he's more likely to complain about the lack of midi sync. >>4. Having to hold a button for recording/overdubbing.<< so.... if you have already established the length of the loop, does this switch allow you to drop in & out for tiny durations? like a kill-switch? this could be fun. but again, wiring up a latching switch acoss the existing one would probably fix this, or hooking up an extra switch that's easier to keep depressed while playing, like a standard keyboard sustain pedal. agreed- EH could probably have though this through & added some sockets themselves. but waddya want for $200? :-) >>5. No real loop start/stop.<< so once the loop's made, it keeps running until you erase it? does the unit retain stuff when it's switched off? my band uses a lexicon jamman (guitarist), DL4's (guitarist & me both), EH16s reissue (drummer/keyboardist uses it for percussion-toy loops) & repeater (me- for noises, keyboardy stuff, the odd bassline & a lot of pre-prepared loops). we also have a boss RC2 which is just filled with pre-prepared loops so as to lay down some covering fire while I cue up the next loop in the repeater. these days, the repeater is the master clock for the entire rig (hardware sequencers x2, the jamman, midi clocked delays & so on). sounds to me like this could be more fun than the EH16s for my drummer.... duncan. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 26 16:54:14 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7B43E3BEE4; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 16:54:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 640193455-mk-filter-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com-B2C-$THROTTLED-DYNAMIC-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 79.74.134.251 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AswMAPeISkdPSob7/2dsb2JhbACCJgSmEg Message-ID: <474AFA3F.1080007@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 16:54:23 +0000 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: tape based pitching References: <47449EF0.6090904@tiscali.co.uk> <1BB076E4C332F9469148F41725F17A720636A69A@MTVNE-EXCLUST02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> In-Reply-To: <1BB076E4C332F9469148F41725F17A720636A69A@MTVNE-EXCLUST02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <3YUo8B.A.KOF.2ovSHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76652 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 16:54:14 +0000 (UTC) Stockhausen, Conversations with the Composer Jonathan Cott Picador 1974 (also pub by Robson Books Ltd 1974) page 92 ISBN 0 330 24165 6 sadly the book which described his photoelectric (canned) loop device must have been consumed when Norwich Library burned down in 1994 (and our late Stockhausen scolar, Dr. Zvonar was unable to find any mention of this device in any book) andy butler Goddard, Duncan wrote: >>> the tape based pitch shifter used by Stockhausen was called a Springer > Machine<< > > andy, how did you come by this factoid? I thought the only tape-based > pitch shifter was the eltro..... > gotham studios had one, & the BBC radiophonic workshop, & someone here > (my apologies) sent me some literature on it, which I may be able to > dredge up. > > duncan. > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 26 17:01:25 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0A8023BEF1; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 17:01:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <1BB076E4C332F9469148F41725F17A720636A6C9@MTVNE-EXCLUST02.mtvne.ad.viacom. com> References: <000301c82edd$7a772d60$1001a8c0@succubus> <1BB076E4C332F9469148F41725F17A720636A6C9@MTVNE-EXCLUST02.mtvne.ad.viacom. com> Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 12:00:59 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Charles Zwicky Subject: RE: EH SMM w/ Hazari Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-ELNK-Trace: e070562f4b6af5994d2b10475b57112055da30d1011444edaeb8ade454f511eaf2c98678957fd5f6350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 69.86.253.58 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76653 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 17:01:24 +0000 (UTC) > ... I'd only be >buying it to investigate the potential for after-market mods. >... >for instance, it must surely be possible to modify the bypass switching >so that one still hears the output of the delay & looper.... the unit's >input would be fed directly to the output jacks & not to the inputs of >the delay/looper circuitry. surely. I highly doubt that this is the case. The entire range of these new EH pedals is based on DSP algos. The signal path is likely straight to anA/D and then back out the D/A. In order to have trailing echos one would need to mute the signal to the delay while keeping the dry signal intact. This would either require an external mixer and external switching or access to the DSP code and a programming station, or several letters to Electro Harmonix to include this as an option... >& adding expression pedals is simply a case of mounting some stereo jack >sockets so that an expression pedal replaces one of the onboard pots. >assuming that the pots are mono & around 50k impedance..... or one of >those bendy things that you work with a pedal that replaces the knob. >duncan. I was told that the pots in the 2880 are all simply control voltages, it is possible that these are similarly implemented. -- ... http://www.zmix.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 26 17:22:11 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F32E73BEF8; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 17:22:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=7lexpfGY3nZOKxWThXXbzKE32m1xAbNZea6awAItQag=; b=MRboK972sZqnV+ggk34Ogm7Yy7Ii8D8xtGvv4fpR0w9eQy7+I41o5pbAaaDB7SReOIqPwCkyFya/Q7yyeDnS+/a2yins+IReneWhTMApiE0c44bRj2q+/s2jr0dXolD8ThFrCqv5gq0bLZUNNE6qhZt31MruoZT6HeWBT92acQI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=UnaITf1XjD3qBVsgSLmP05iGYrpk5slgjDsbZXg2WsevS+k2THANd6xbqnXhiqKViRRo5eiapNgpRN4TnPfnWab64S3rUX3R1Q0hInW8zbaFxKPR9K85cR+CIBEfkLkv1vrOSQCvCQHtOd9vvHDjz8FoypT+QBunTAJx4X3YSok= Message-ID: Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 12:09:30 -0500 From: "Dennis Moser" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: tape based pitching In-Reply-To: <474AFA3F.1080007@tiscali.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_42801_22592504.1196096971001" References: <47449EF0.6090904@tiscali.co.uk> <1BB076E4C332F9469148F41725F17A720636A69A@MTVNE-EXCLUST02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> <474AFA3F.1080007@tiscali.co.uk> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76654 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 17:22:10 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_42801_22592504.1196096971001 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Ladies and gents, A quick Worldcat search for said title ( http://www.worldcat.org/oclc/700395&referer=brief_results) turns up a copy here at work ... I shall see if I can snag it at lunch here shortly for a further citation ... The Net, when inthe hands of a seasoned and trained librarian/archivist, is Your Friend ... Dennis On 11/26/07, andy butler wrote: > > Stockhausen, Conversations with the Composer > Jonathan Cott > Picador 1974 > (also pub by Robson Books Ltd 1974) > page 92 > ISBN 0 330 24165 6 > > sadly the book which described his photoelectric (canned) loop device > must have been consumed when Norwich Library burned down in 1994 > (and our late Stockhausen scolar, Dr. Zvonar was unable to find > any mention of this device in any book) > > andy butler > > > Goddard, Duncan wrote: > >>> the tape based pitch shifter used by Stockhausen was called a Springer > > Machine<< > > > > andy, how did you come by this factoid? I thought the only tape-based > > pitch shifter was the eltro..... > > gotham studios had one, & the BBC radiophonic workshop, & someone here > > (my apologies) sent me some literature on it, which I may be able to > > dredge up. > > > > duncan. > > > > > > ------=_Part_42801_22592504.1196096971001 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Ladies and gents,

        A quick Worldcat search for said title (http://www.worldcat.org/oclc/700395&referer=brief_results) turns up a copy here at work ... I shall see if I can snag it at lunch here shortly for a further citation ...

        The Net, when inthe hands of a seasoned and trained librarian/archivist, is Your Friend ...

        Dennis

        On 11/26/07, andy butler < akbutler@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:
        Stockhausen, Conversations with the Composer
        Jonathan Cott
        Picador 1974
        (also pub by Robson Books Ltd 1974)
        page 92
        ISBN 0 330 24165 6

        sadly the book which described his photoelectric (canned) loop device
        must have been consumed when Norwich Library burned down in 1994
        (and our late Stockhausen scolar, Dr. Zvonar was unable to find
        any mention of this device in any book)

        andy butler


        Goddard, Duncan wrote:
        >>> the tape based pitch shifter used by Stockhausen was called a Springer
        > Machine<<
        >
        > andy, how did you come by this factoid? I thought the only tape-based
        > pitch shifter was the eltro.....
        > gotham studios had one, & the BBC radiophonic workshop, & someone here
        > (my apologies) sent me some literature on it, which I may be able to
        > dredge up.
        >
        > duncan.
        >
        >


        ------=_Part_42801_22592504.1196096971001-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 26 17:45:27 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 761B33BEEC; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 17:45:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=hvTZ9ZnusQimqn8kFf6+5gL7utjntCx8+rf8hRstZDQ=; b=U4wn5Vjj7bKehbgTgWagXbzO/kE4mLuBrKIMaCE3K1DY80MFt5rOLkNRfkbGidaMdj3KVHBxcodP4nzpOTiF6cyx90npx4TAC4+DToQ5FTTgZfMeTjOUrY/jDJ0HM6UEczRsRdnWLDyd3Ch95eYOBSkZDZIJHqfGwPoaPXflG38= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=GewhXiISkGgXtqN67o5w0gZESKcBeF3wLS3qxX1irUI1z7trRUKNgtqjEiv1HYR4hPG7zUadSJbFqfvSDZWkR8+W/EoX6D2qGkZv7jEGpnQG5bAiT24PVOfKsG8T3ZrDvVpllBMUvG9vNNCBl333Jz+frdWmbpe/UhLgqj1zNa8= Message-ID: Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 12:45:23 -0500 From: "Dennis Moser" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: tape based pitching In-Reply-To: <474AFA3F.1080007@tiscali.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_42938_26559008.1196099123956" References: <47449EF0.6090904@tiscali.co.uk> <1BB076E4C332F9469148F41725F17A720636A69A@MTVNE-EXCLUST02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> <474AFA3F.1080007@tiscali.co.uk> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76655 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 17:45:27 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_42938_26559008.1196099123956 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Okay ... page 97, "Stockhausen, Conversations With The Composer": "We have only now a special machine, called the Springer machine, where you can stretch or condense time without chaging the pitches; or you can transpose the pitches without changing the duration. (But this machine isn't really that good -- it makes too many mistakes)" I'm posting a hi-rez JPEG of the page at this URL: http://audiozoloft.com/Stockhausen/ The file is a PDF called "Stock.pdf" ... go for it! Dennis On 11/26/07, andy butler wrote: > > Stockhausen, Conversations with the Composer > Jonathan Cott > Picador 1974 > (also pub by Robson Books Ltd 1974) > page 92 > ISBN 0 330 24165 6 > > sadly the book which described his photoelectric (canned) loop device > must have been consumed when Norwich Library burned down in 1994 > (and our late Stockhausen scolar, Dr. Zvonar was unable to find > any mention of this device in any book) > > andy butler > > > Goddard, Duncan wrote: > >>> the tape based pitch shifter used by Stockhausen was called a Springer > > Machine<< > > > > andy, how did you come by this factoid? I thought the only tape-based > > pitch shifter was the eltro..... > > gotham studios had one, & the BBC radiophonic workshop, & someone here > > (my apologies) sent me some literature on it, which I may be able to > > dredge up. > > > > duncan. > > > > > > ------=_Part_42938_26559008.1196099123956 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Okay ... page 97, "Stockhausen, Conversations With The Composer":
            "We have only now a special machine, called the Springer machine, where you can stretch or condense time without chaging the pitches; or you can transpose the pitches without changing the duration. (But this machine isn't really that good -- it makes too many mistakes)"

        I'm posting a hi-rez JPEG of the page at this URL:

        http://audiozoloft.com/Stockhausen/

        The file is a PDF called "Stock.pdf" ... go for it!

        Dennis


        On 11/26/07, andy butler < akbutler@tiscali.co.uk > wrote:
        Stockhausen, Conversations with the Composer
        Jonathan Cott
        Picador 1974
        (also pub by Robson Books Ltd 1974)
        page 92
        ISBN 0 330 24165 6

        sadly the book which described his photoelectric (canned) loop device
        must have been consumed when Norwich Library burned down in 1994
        (and our late Stockhausen scolar, Dr. Zvonar was unable to find
        any mention of this device in any book)

        andy butler


        Goddard, Duncan wrote:
        >>> the tape based pitch shifter used by Stockhausen was called a Springer
        > Machine<<
        >
        > andy, how did you come by this factoid? I thought the only tape-based
        > pitch shifter was the eltro.....
        > gotham studios had one, & the BBC radiophonic workshop, & someone here
        > (my apologies) sent me some literature on it, which I may be able to
        > dredge up.
        >
        > duncan.
        >
        >


        ------=_Part_42938_26559008.1196099123956-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 26 18:21:29 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E5ADE3BEE0; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 18:21:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-RZG-CLASS-ID: mo07 X-RZG-AUTH: lUESeo99iNzPL8kuBgLYdKEqUywq9cxqeRA+BtFcSCD10+29g0chrOQDVQ== From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: AW: EH SMM w/ Hazari Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 19:22:02 +0100 Organization: Moinlabs Message-ID: <000a01c83059$3d8973e0$1001a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <1BB076E4C332F9469148F41725F17A720636A6C9@MTVNE-EXCLUST02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Thread-Index: AcgwSBD1MfgKvOZJRPCsyaSUO8d2cgAD/yvA Resent-Message-ID: <12QjnD.A.22H.o6wSHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76656 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 18:21:28 +0000 (UTC) Hi Duncan, > for instance, it must surely be possible to modify the bypass > switching so that one still hears the output of the delay & > looper.... the unit's input would be fed directly to the > output jacks & not to the inputs of the delay/looper > circuitry. surely. Contrary to what Charles said, I guess this is possible because judging from the description in the manual, the bypass is a hard bypass. The tricky part however would be to combine the input signal with the delay's output (you'd need another pot for that in addition to the wet/dry control. Or perhaps this is really a signal-affecting knob?) > & adding expression pedals is simply a case of mounting some > stereo jack sockets so that an expression pedal replaces one > of the onboard pots. > assuming that the pots are mono & around 50k impedance..... > or one of those bendy things that you work with a pedal that > replaces the knob. But this way, you can't have it behave like the DL4 ones, where you have the expression pedal in addition to the knobs (not replacing them), and the pedal can perform the combined function of any of the continuous knobs. That would require a) an additional A/D input, b) messing with the DSP/uC code. > my guitarist has more than enough delay pedals for this not > to be a problem. he's more likely to complain about the lack > of midi sync. True, if you already have a DD20, DL4, Repeater, D2 and bix mixer in your setup, then most of my critizism is void. But then again, I was thinking about using the SMM as a standalone solution (as Andy was). > so.... if you have already established the length of the > loop, does this switch allow you to drop in & out for tiny > durations? like a kill-switch? Unfortunately not, because the switch is used both for tapping and recording/overdubbing. So any press of less than ~0.5s is interpreted as a tap. > this could be fun. but again, wiring up a latching switch > acoss the existing one would probably fix this, or hooking up This could work, yes. > so once the loop's made, it keeps running until you erase it? No, it keeps running until you switch to bypass. Switching back restarts the loop. > does the unit retain stuff when it's switched off? No. > these days, the repeater is the master clock for the entire > rig (hardware sequencers x2, the jamman, midi clocked delays & so on). Do you use software v2? Did their improvement on clock stability work? Rainer From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 26 18:35:26 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1BD8D3BEDD; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 18:35:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 651246759-mk-filter-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com-B2C-$THROTTLED-DYNAMIC-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 79.74.134.251 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AswMAGagSkdPSob7/2dsb2JhbACCJgSmRQ Message-ID: <474B11F6.7060203@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 18:35:34 +0000 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: tape based pitching References: <47449EF0.6090904@tiscali.co.uk> <1BB076E4C332F9469148F41725F17A720636A69A@MTVNE-EXCLUST02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> <474AFA3F.1080007@tiscali.co.uk> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76657 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 18:35:26 +0000 (UTC) Apologies Dennis Moser wrote: > Ladies and gents, > > A quick Worldcat search for said title > (http://www.worldcat.org/oclc/700395&referer=brief_results > ) turns up a > copy here at work ... I shall see if I can snag it at lunch here shortly > for a further citation ... > > The Net, when inthe hands of a seasoned and trained librarian/archivist, > is Your Friend ... > > Dennis > > On 11/26/07, *andy butler* < akbutler@tiscali.co.uk > > wrote: > > Stockhausen, Conversations with the Composer > Jonathan Cott > Picador 1974 > (also pub by Robson Books Ltd 1974) > page 92 > ISBN 0 330 24165 6 the above book I have I think Cott has 2 mentions of the Springer, but essentially it is a dictation machine. Has a drum with a number of heads on it which can revolve as the tape passes by. So it granulises the sound in typical harmoniser fashion. It's a very good book imho. the below book is a different one, it may exist somewhere if it doesn't exist then the photoelectric loop player is possibly an invention of mine :-) > > sadly the book which described his photoelectric (canned) loop device > must have been consumed when Norwich Library burned down in 1994 > (and our late Stockhausen scolar, Dr. Zvonar was unable to find > any mention of this device in any book) > > andy butler > andy > > Goddard, Duncan wrote: > >>> the tape based pitch shifter used by Stockhausen was called a > Springer > > Machine<< > > > > andy, how did you come by this factoid? I thought the only tape-based > > pitch shifter was the eltro..... > > gotham studios had one, & the BBC radiophonic workshop, & someone > here > > (my apologies) sent me some literature on it, which I may be able to > > dredge up. > > > > duncan. > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 26 19:19:54 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 68B3D3BEE0; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 19:19:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=Rk4a1C0HTzs76Ed/gJgSwW7NAOZvnk//qCV9Ds+6oxc=; b=s/e8AhTr4bVJGaBx7WTINRDYo/aP7bbpzNotOiGdSagkQst1YNeVKzLjnuRJqBf+TyWjKBinPOmMD4duSBZpms6LOyGLwrRj5EaX//vx/bUdqvyJq4yeWqUFwpS5BR5U8GFt5we0pV8Gspmi7bsgHt9HjuEO5ulw9QBODgTMeZw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=LufpoRGnXApmzVKiYG+dYw10uMSZW6NkGdUXCXX9iJB9/R6oMPuQwi+F+I1Z8gTo28c80YllPPvDqns/qKzFLWig3qpy/ZjO/deQRyokV7SR3h9oiFXpe5or7aY0l8MB61ARNJMCG6zYR9PONogzdbMsk+4DO0g3vt/+bdL8wc8= Message-ID: Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 14:19:51 -0500 From: "Dennis Moser" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: tape based pitching In-Reply-To: <474B11F6.7060203@tiscali.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_43326_18215740.1196104791623" References: <47449EF0.6090904@tiscali.co.uk> <1BB076E4C332F9469148F41725F17A720636A69A@MTVNE-EXCLUST02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> <474AFA3F.1080007@tiscali.co.uk> <474B11F6.7060203@tiscali.co.uk> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76658 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 19:19:54 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_43326_18215740.1196104791623 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline No apologies needed ... there well may be a second description; I've only just snagged thebook and am going through it .. .will be reading it more closely later this week while I'm down at Princeton for a gig (gig spam to follow shortly!). Dennis On 11/26/07, andy butler wrote: > > Apologies > > Dennis Moser wrote: > > Ladies and gents, > > > > A quick Worldcat search for said title > > (http://www.worldcat.org/oclc/700395&referer=brief_results > > ) turns up a > > copy here at work ... I shall see if I can snag it at lunch here shortly > > for a further citation ... > > > > The Net, when inthe hands of a seasoned and trained librarian/archivist, > > is Your Friend ... > > > > Dennis > > > > On 11/26/07, *andy butler* < akbutler@tiscali.co.uk > > > wrote: > > > > Stockhausen, Conversations with the Composer > > Jonathan Cott > > Picador 1974 > > (also pub by Robson Books Ltd 1974) > > page 92 > > ISBN 0 330 24165 6 > > the above book I have > I think Cott has 2 mentions of the Springer, > but essentially it is a dictation machine. > Has a drum with a number of heads on it which can revolve as the tape > passes by. > So it granulises the sound in typical harmoniser fashion. > > It's a very good book imho. > > the below book is a different one, > it may exist somewhere > > if it doesn't exist then the photoelectric loop > player is possibly an invention of mine :-) > > > > > > sadly the book which described his photoelectric (canned) loop > device > > must have been consumed when Norwich Library burned down in 1994 > > (and our late Stockhausen scolar, Dr. Zvonar was unable to find > > any mention of this device in any book) > > > > andy butler > > > > andy > > > > Goddard, Duncan wrote: > > >>> the tape based pitch shifter used by Stockhausen was called a > > Springer > > > Machine<< > > > > > > andy, how did you come by this factoid? I thought the only > tape-based > > > pitch shifter was the eltro..... > > > gotham studios had one, & the BBC radiophonic workshop, & someone > > here > > > (my apologies) sent me some literature on it, which I may be able > to > > > dredge up. > > > > > > duncan. > > > > > > > > > > > > ------=_Part_43326_18215740.1196104791623 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline No apologies needed ... there well may be a second description; I've only just snagged thebook and am going through it .. .will be reading it more closely later this week while I'm down at Princeton for a gig (gig spam to follow shortly!).

        Dennis

        On 11/26/07, andy butler <akbutler@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:
        Apologies

        Dennis Moser wrote:
        > Ladies and gents,
        >
        > A quick Worldcat search for said title
        > (http://www.worldcat.org/oclc/700395&referer=brief_results
        > <http://www.worldcat.org/oclc/700395&referer=brief_results>) turns up a
        > copy here at work ... I shall see if I can snag it at lunch here shortly
        > for a further citation ...
        >
        > The Net, when inthe hands of a seasoned and trained librarian/archivist,
        > is Your Friend ...
        >
        > Dennis
        >
        > On 11/26/07, *andy butler* < akbutler@tiscali.co.uk
        > <mailto:akbutler@tiscali.co.uk>> wrote:
        >
        >     Stockhausen, Conversations with the Composer
        >     Jonathan Cott
        >     Picador 1974
        >     (also pub by Robson Books Ltd 1974)
        >     page 92
        >     ISBN 0 330 24165 6

        the above book I have
        I think Cott has 2 mentions of the Springer,
        but essentially it is a dictation machine.
        Has a drum with a number of heads on it which can revolve as the tape passes by.
        So it granulises the sound in typical harmoniser fashion.

        It's a very good book imho.

        the below book is a different one,
        it may exist somewhere

        if it doesn't exist then the photoelectric loop
        player is possibly an invention of mine :-)


        >
        >     sadly the book which described his photoelectric (canned) loop device
        >     must have been consumed when Norwich Library burned down in 1994
        >     (and our late Stockhausen scolar, Dr. Zvonar was unable to find
        >     any mention of this device in any book)
        >
        >     andy butler
        >

        andy
        >
        >     Goddard, Duncan wrote:
        >      >>> the tape based pitch shifter used by Stockhausen was called a
        >     Springer
        >      > Machine<<
        >      >
        >      > andy, how did you come by this factoid? I thought the only tape-based
        >      > pitch shifter was the eltro.....
        >      > gotham studios had one, & the BBC radiophonic workshop, & someone
        >     here
        >      > (my apologies) sent me some literature on it, which I may be able to
        >      > dredge up.
        >      >
        >      > duncan.
        >      >
        >      >
        >
        >


        ------=_Part_43326_18215740.1196104791623-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 26 19:26:26 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DFBCB3BEF8; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 19:26:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <474B1DDE.4030709@mhorse.com> Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 13:26:22 -0600 From: Daryl Shawn User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.13 (Windows/20070809) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: tape based pitching References: <47449EF0.6090904@tiscali.co.uk> <1BB076E4C332F9469148F41725F17A720636A69A@MTVNE-EXCLUST02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> <474AFA3F.1080007@tiscali.co.uk> <474B11F6.7060203@tiscali.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <474B11F6.7060203@tiscali.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76659 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 19:26:26 +0000 (UTC) Oh my goodness, my jaw is on the floor and my tongue is bouncing up to the rafters. I want one of these SO BAD. I'd pay real money to someone who could build a portable version of this multi-revolving-head-granulating-pitch-changing tape machine. This thread is one long, merciless tease. 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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 26 23:16:12 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6F93B3BEE2; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 23:16:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 589 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 23:16:11 UTC X-ME-UUID: 20071126230621158.005F97000088@mwinf2a02.orange.fr Message-ID: <474B516C.60000@addcom.de> Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 00:06:20 +0100 From: Stefan Tiedje User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (Macintosh/20071031) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: tape based pitching References: <47449EF0.6090904@tiscali.co.uk> <1BB076E4C332F9469148F41725F17A720636A69A@MTVNE-EXCLUST02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> <474AFA3F.1080007@tiscali.co.uk> <474B11F6.7060203@tiscali.co.uk> <474B1DDE.4030709@mhorse.com> In-Reply-To: <474B1DDE.4030709@mhorse.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76660 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 23:16:12 +0000 (UTC) Daryl Shawn schrieb: > Oh my goodness, my jaw is on the floor and my tongue is bouncing up to > the rafters. I want one of these SO BAD. I'd pay real money to someone > who could build a portable version of this > multi-revolving-head-granulating-pitch-changing tape machine. A typical granular pitch shift done with Max or any of the cheaper pitch shifters is using basically the same principle. Mine is as portable as my Powerbook... ;-) (It doesn't sound too good, as already Stockhausen pointed out, but I don't care too much...) I have seen an old machine, maybe the mentioned "springer" in the museum of the experimental studio in Freiburg. It looked scary... ;-) Stefan P.S. couldn't keep up reading the list, but I am back again for interesting threads... ;-) -- Stefan Tiedje------------x------- --_____-----------|-------------- --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()------- -- _|_)----|-----()-------------- ----------()--------www.ccmix.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 26 23:38:45 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 97A9C3BEE2; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 23:38:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 400 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 23:38:45 UTC Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 00:32:04 +0100 From: "Buzap Buzap" In-Reply-To: <502607.40480.qm@web26315.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20071126233204.84130@gmx.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <502607.40480.qm@web26315.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Boss RC50 assignable outputs To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Authenticated: #33233833 X-Flags: 0001 X-Mailer: WWW-Mail 6100 (Global Message Exchange) X-Priority: 3 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1+okrRaLnColgaarM0WOPQtkQgVOz2Gz2duy7HKop InmXVAEoyccGAO/KOuKRwsC8HSYQ1P9uOA8Q== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-GMX-UID: Q29+c5ZqRkkNdt1hiGVqMKJudWkvKJMH Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76661 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 23:38:45 +0000 (UTC) Hi Stuart the RC-50 has 2 Main Outputs + 2 Aux Outputs. I have used them in different ways in the past: 1.) Link the Aux Outputs with the Aux Inputs (Adapter cable) This is my standard setting. I use this for feedback/multiply like tricks. 2.) You are more flexible when you route the Aux Outs back as a stereo channel in a mixer. Then, you can i.e. send the Aux Outs to an effect box and loop the wet signal. I.e. you can put the bass line on a PHRASE (loop) and route it through Aux Out. Then you can run it through a Phaser/Filter and modify the sound... 3.) I have used the RC-50 with four different speakers in four corners. You can play the sound in various positions, i.e. the four corners are: - Main Hard Left/Hard Right - Aux Hard Left/Hard Right The four "centers" are: - Main L/R center - Main+Aux Hard Left/Right - Aux L/R center So, the last option 3.) would be something you could use with your setting. There are two possiblities. A.) Looping in Multi-mode: - Make sure you are in Multi-mode - Make sure Rhythm Knob is turned off - Make sure All Phrases have Tempo Sync activated - You probably want to turn off Loop Sync - Plug your Guitar to Instrument Input Left - Send PHRASE 1 Output to Main Out - Connect your Guitar Amp to Main Out Left - Plug your Mic to Mic Input - Send PHRASE 2 Output to Aux Out - Connect your PA with the Aux Output You should make sure to - Send PHRASE 2 Output to Now you can loop your Guitar on PHRASE 1 and your Mic on PHRASE 2. For PHRASE 3, you can assign Guitar/Mic, however you like. B.) Looping in Single-mode (Mono only!): - Make sure Recording Mode is Stereo (yes, stereo ;-) - Make sure you are in Single-mode - Make sure Rhyhtm Knob is turned off - Make sure All three Phrases have Tempo Sync turned off - You can decide if all your loops should have same length (Loop Sync) - Plug your Guitar to Instument Input Left - Use a Preamp on your Mic (i.e. small Art Tube Preamp) - Send preamped Mic signal to Instrument Input Right (NOTE: I don't know if you can pan the Microphone Input actually???... I've never used it - if you can Pan Mic to hard right, you can skip the preamp) - Connect your Guitar Amp to Main Out Left - Connect your Main Out Right to your Mixer/PA This is the most care-free configuration. Because you can use/combine guitar/mic on any loop without worrying about the signal. Have fun! Buzap -- Psssst! Schon vom neuen GMX MultiMessenger gehört? Der kann`s mit allen: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/multimessenger From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 26 23:41:41 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 287973BED8; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 23:41:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 00:41:39 +0100 From: "Buzap Buzap" In-Reply-To: <8FA76012-0116-1000-F46F-74294F18AB61-Webmail-10013@mac.com> Message-ID: <20071126234139.84120@gmx.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <017301c823c5$67bc43e0$7db0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <017c01c823c8$86903c10$7db0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <20071110124613.jqqb4dxyysgcok04@69.89.21.76> <8FA76012-0116-1000-F46F-74294F18AB61-Webmail-10013@mac.com> Subject: Re: RC-50 and Speed Control To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Authenticated: #33233833 X-Flags: 0001 X-Mailer: WWW-Mail 6100 (Global Message Exchange) X-Priority: 3 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1+R/bs9bgeRsb2WvBJsc1CuUwwcMQuDHX5QBotIUB l6GmTZzKNqkzvYU4+t45P3EsfLmd0uR2mUXw== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-GMX-UID: hWx5f+sTPjl+F5wvzTQ2O/k7MTE2NYmH Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76662 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 23:41:41 +0000 (UTC) Hi Folks I think it became clear during the thread - but just clearly spelled out for the casual reader: THE RC-50 FEATURES _NO_ HALF-SPEED FUNCTION We wouldn't want anyone going out, buying an RC-50 and start crying, do we? ;-) Best regards Buzap -- Der GMX SmartSurfer hilft bis zu 70% Ihrer Onlinekosten zu sparen! 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        From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 27 02:42:58 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 784073BED2; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 02:42:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 401 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 02:42:57 UTC DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Received:X-YMail-OSG:Mime-Version:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-Id:Content-Type:To:From:Subject:Date:X-Mailer; b=Eugk6fUS6bAMhaOVnyF9QwAw+ScaTGVDTaHLToDfnPtJLPcaEnyhzqtrW03XfBChrTyf8aq/TUWDzGpY3K4nuN9UHvBgRvuFbDYUavBDCjp157cmpviv7u5cVcxS0lEHA+qLuxN1+s9KcmdMbyKCSI5oIzK1SWW6U6jECyVGJUI= ; X-YMail-OSG: qsrx4WgVM1nQWcN0eMOolgBsEba31_HlvuM9f1b6Jms3OKDmXGZXNFwZnRFK.ZPOFQ0aIHzskg-- Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Owen Pallett Subject: Help with Sooperlooper OSX Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 21:33:25 -0500 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76664 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 02:42:58 +0000 (UTC) Hi all Sooperlooper is working absolutely peachy for me, I can't tear myself away from it. The problem is this: Any time I try and record a loop of 20 seconds or more, Sooperlooper won't let me overdub. Have I misplaced something or am I working the program outside of its abilities? Take care, Owen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 27 03:55:46 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1B7113BEDE; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 03:55:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 364 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 03:55:45 UTC DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references:x-google-sender-auth; bh=05cvqZil942qJGPooIayPDQGH52As8UH57/nZuqYtUM=; b=TIakqOKAUHKiizAI8vwsyC/QFQIGUHL0glpT0fGDW14/17Mz1c7vxsxVMtqQA9eDrlcHawL1s1W0RvN5+YChRFRuahem4EoAjVFSDkuueHWy6BwwF8aiOxLYmr6fcNBGUq90B5sEFCrMmig7tnJbItuUpi9A9k6Oajdlq5dkAXI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=yCMOle1cRh7BFeF4+JOYzhgZrZ8RGr2WAlnwK/Mqx6Ip8Cb7LrtfRI2nG5LAadNNVSjaae8aBqo/PgY1DkcCM/zD/Ly3rvlVFKCDoo+oqCccmjfgTAT1ankC3b0hrpgfLouM/mKYTjTxEbIKRpkNB2ucqPbLnZxnYLZmMW6F0HQ= Message-ID: Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 22:49:39 -0500 From: "Jesse Chappell" Sender: essejlc@gmail.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Help with Sooperlooper OSX Cc: "Owen Pallett" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: X-Google-Sender-Auth: eadba1c31bb57503 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76665 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 03:55:46 +0000 (UTC) On Nov 26, 2007 9:33 PM, Owen Pallett wrote: > The problem is this: Any time I try and record a loop of 20 seconds > or more, Sooperlooper won't let me overdub. Have I misplaced > something or am I working the program outside of its abilities? You just need to create the loop with more than the default ~47 seconds of loop time. That time accounts for all the available space the loop has preallocated for its entire operation, including undo stack. When you exceed roughly half of that space with a single loop, when you go to overdub it doesn't have space to keep both the source and the new layer at the same time. Yes, this is an implementation issue that shouldn't exist (and wouldn't if it had a more DAW-like internal design as does Mobius) but the solution is simple, just change the default loop time in the preferences, and/or use the Add Custom Loop from the session menu. FWIW, the future of SooperLooper is likely to be a reimplementation using a DAW as the backend engine (Ardour). But in the present of SL, I just released a new version that includes Solo and Pause features. More is on the way.... http://essej.net/sooperlooper/download.html jlc From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 27 05:20:15 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2370C3BEDA; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 05:20:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Received:X-YMail-OSG:Mime-Version:In-Reply-To:References:Content-Type:Message-Id:Content-Transfer-Encoding:From:Subject:Date:To:X-Mailer; b=QclSL2cAUEHuG/ApMEGj1SFwHXmsz9jGPOE/dLcdAoNnTJiH2+Kwz7Tf9GjgbV+vNAWUxyS7dGzsXFtOWILTZrNajfAQHXBzLa8XNsUKoG+Ms1PKnR2bi8rd2v1NgUgWwjfN8s8xifufB4Fs/4+xIkxxhz/WjuMACEsKT2g8xkQ= ; X-YMail-OSG: o5OVftoVM1kXpzmNNqrCbIUqA.F0vQEB46VUU2DyQy2WOLera8wplLqpPJep6ILyAnC2EXsNmZNHw0lnLwQc2L8cWUKZvT1z5OQ6yQ7dCJn1zntXAA-- Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Owen Pallett Subject: Re: Help with Sooperlooper OSX Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 00:17:23 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76666 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 05:20:15 +0000 (UTC) Thanks Jesse, this is a great help. As soon as I can pull off a gig using your program, I'll put a cheque in the mail. Best, Owen On 26-Nov-07, at 10:49 PM, Jesse Chappell wrote: > On Nov 26, 2007 9:33 PM, Owen Pallett wrote: > >> The problem is this: Any time I try and record a loop of 20 seconds >> or more, Sooperlooper won't let me overdub. Have I misplaced >> something or am I working the program outside of its abilities? > > You just need to create the loop with more than the default ~47 > seconds of loop time. That time accounts for all the available space > the loop has preallocated for its entire operation, including undo > stack. When you exceed roughly half of that space with a single loop, > when you go to overdub it doesn't have space to keep both the source > and the new layer at the same time. Yes, this is an implementation > issue that shouldn't exist (and wouldn't if it had a more DAW-like > internal design as does Mobius) but the solution is simple, just > change the default loop time in the preferences, and/or use the Add > Custom Loop from the session menu. > > FWIW, the future of SooperLooper is likely to be a reimplementation > using a DAW as the backend engine (Ardour). > > But in the present of SL, I just released a new version that includes > Solo and Pause features. More is on the way.... > http://essej.net/sooperlooper/download.html > > jlc > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 27 05:36:11 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7D6663BEDD; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 05:36:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 01:25:50 -0500 From: "David Kirkdorffer" Subject: Help - looking for a unique kind of effect To: Message-id: <000301c82ff5$30f7d360$bdbf5548@hppav> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1478 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1478 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <474A63F7.4060809@minds-eye.org> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76667 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 05:36:11 +0000 (UTC) Hi - perhaps you guys can help me?? I'm looking for a delay footpedal that can also bend pitch at the same time. That is, as the slaps happen, their picti is being altered up and down a little... as would happen with a chorus. I need at least 500ms of delay. Any ideas?? Again, I nee this from a footpedal delay. I have this already from some KORG rackmounts I have, but I'd love a smaller alternative than carting around 20-year old rack effects. :-) Many thanks! David From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 27 06:04:29 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2C51D3BED6; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 06:04:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <000301c82ff5$30f7d360$bdbf5548@hppav> References: <474A63F7.4060809@minds-eye.org> <000301c82ff5$30f7d360$bdbf5548@hppav> Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 00:04:18 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Mech Subject: Re: Help - looking for a unique kind of effect Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76668 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 06:04:29 +0000 (UTC) At 1:25 AM -0500 11/26/07, David Kirkdorffer wrote: >Hi - perhaps you guys can help me?? I'm looking for a delay footpedal that >can also bend pitch at the same time. That is, as the slaps happen, their >picti is being altered up and down a little... as would happen with a >chorus. I need at least 500ms of delay. > >Any ideas?? Again, I nee this from a footpedal delay. I have this already >from some KORG rackmounts I have, but I'd love a smaller alternative than >carting around 20-year old rack effects. :-) Boss PS-3. Although I can't remember if it'll do fine pitch bends on each of the delays, or only semi-tones. I think it'll do exactly what you're looking for, I just need to dig it out to confirm. The Ineko will do that too, IIRC. But it's not quite your conventional footpedal size. Probably the Digitech Space Station, but somebody else needs to confirm that. --m. -- _____ "bye-bye empire; empire, bye-bye" From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 27 07:20:00 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 520CC3BED5; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 07:20:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Received:X-YMail-OSG:Mime-Version:In-Reply-To:References:Content-Type:Message-Id:Content-Transfer-Encoding:From:Subject:Date:To:X-Mailer; b=2id5KDUTJ59DP3omzUbg53MdPIgajj+5R0L2aXxzz0kPPbUXHjlaHn2ad0EZr0b5E3YrgDZGPI7vY1kkS0za9AaJsKPfESgEOstNnZmIIe0sMK8X8bGUxIVcnLzg8RQ18z3sJFvpCo7ePIvGvKPvWHDlH7astqK8wcf6e2qhy8g= ; X-YMail-OSG: ywd8.SAVM1kVQ7L8LWJIJjgK.Ua06wwwoXPOxiEATYpjSILfAtolbzn8ydT5UTwVErqkMaFvMw-- Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: References: <474A63F7.4060809@minds-eye.org> <000301c82ff5$30f7d360$bdbf5548@hppav> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <5D0C2595-E591-4254-B5F4-3A168B30A9E4@yahoo.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Owen Pallett Subject: Re: Help - looking for a unique kind of effect Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 02:17:04 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76669 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 07:20:00 +0000 (UTC) I'd recommend the Boss PS-5. it doesn't have scalar pitch shifting like the PS-3, but it's a Whammy, a Harmonist and a Detuner-Chorus all in one. I don't have a particularly extravagant rig, but still, I use two of them. It's my favourite Boss pedal. Owen On 27-Nov-07, at 1:04 AM, Mech wrote: > At 1:25 AM -0500 11/26/07, David Kirkdorffer wrote: >> Hi - perhaps you guys can help me?? I'm looking for a delay >> footpedal that >> can also bend pitch at the same time. That is, as the slaps >> happen, their >> picti is being altered up and down a little... as would happen with a >> chorus. I need at least 500ms of delay. >> >> Any ideas?? Again, I nee this from a footpedal delay. I have this >> already >> from some KORG rackmounts I have, but I'd love a smaller >> alternative than >> carting around 20-year old rack effects. :-) > > Boss PS-3. Although I can't remember if it'll do fine pitch bends > on each of the delays, or only semi-tones. I think it'll do > exactly what you're looking for, I just need to dig it out to confirm. > > The Ineko will do that too, IIRC. But it's not quite your > conventional footpedal size. > > Probably the Digitech Space Station, but somebody else needs to > confirm that. > > --m. > -- > _____ > "bye-bye empire; empire, bye-bye" > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 27 08:03:41 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 37D093BED5; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 08:03:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 640457834-mk-filter-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com-B2C-$THROTTLED-DYNAMIC-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 79.74.189.13 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Aj0KAIpdS0dPSr0N/2dsb2JhbACCJgSnAQ Message-ID: <474BCF69.1070704@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 08:03:53 +0000 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: RC-50 and Speed Control References: <017301c823c5$67bc43e0$7db0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <017c01c823c8$86903c10$7db0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <20071110124613.jqqb4dxyysgcok04@69.89.21.76> <8FA76012-0116-1000-F46F-74294F18AB61-Webmail-10013@mac.com> <20071126234139.84120@gmx.net> In-Reply-To: <20071126234139.84120@gmx.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <3aGe0D.A.Su.d98SHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76670 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 08:03:41 +0000 (UTC) hi Buzap, thanks for keeping us all informed. Now, the question is... ....can we hear your music anywhere? andy butler Buzap Buzap wrote: > Hi Folks > > I think it became clear during the thread - but just clearly spelled out for the casual reader: > > THE RC-50 FEATURES _NO_ HALF-SPEED FUNCTION > > We wouldn't want anyone going out, buying an RC-50 and start crying, do we? ;-) > > Best regards > Buzap From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 27 08:08:56 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6860D3BEDE; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 08:08:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 651465078-mk-filter-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com-B2C-$THROTTLED-DYNAMIC-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 79.74.189.13 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Aj0KAKdfS0dPSr0N/2dsb2JhbACCJgSmdA Message-ID: <474BD0A7.2090106@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 08:09:11 +0000 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Help - looking for a unique kind of effect References: <474A63F7.4060809@minds-eye.org> <000301c82ff5$30f7d360$bdbf5548@hppav> In-Reply-To: <000301c82ff5$30f7d360$bdbf5548@hppav> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <4nEObB.A.Q4.YC9SHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76671 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 08:08:56 +0000 (UTC) Lexicon Vortex. ..or does it have to be a stomp box? andy David Kirkdorffer wrote: > Hi - perhaps you guys can help me?? I'm looking for a delay footpedal that > can also bend pitch at the same time. That is, as the slaps happen, their > picti is being altered up and down a little... as would happen with a > chorus. I need at least 500ms of delay. > > Any ideas?? Again, I nee this from a footpedal delay. I have this already > from some KORG rackmounts I have, but I'd love a smaller alternative than > carting around 20-year old rack effects. :-) > > Many thanks! > > David > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 27 09:36:31 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BD42E3BEDA; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 09:36:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:content-transfer-encoding:message-id:content-type:to:from:subject:date:x-mailer; bh=7rCsjkS4cnRdJzNO48C3AkbetBy/r5ZGECmXUkeZNa0=; b=ICQjADat+zLW1hbO0R8BOBceukWhqMDZg5LVnQGIKN24OPkcBX/xIzrufMLGzPnPR8yCYgt8VH47rRMi3N6BeaT1RITIjFMCiVVHeXKLyYGMRb0n8wFPcsgh7gmLoMQ+3gDJjQj5B2nbGB+OAhEoj/efYVu/op0vTMW634coYPk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=received:mime-version:content-transfer-encoding:message-id:content-type:to:from:subject:date:x-mailer; b=hu5XqK5IpxvsGbfB8TG+fzLETWDkCf5/sQqkI+pDjvV0PiobE4rbeQlp2qbr9r9W4Ay+6Ap/vAltS3ja5XX4CitiXmB6nFEPzmDodKMIY0uQzT28bd2N0LBFMz8aBI4uOcGYs6jhCbwC3799nX417Z4Er5hg4gq+3Ym1iPg7+RQ= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed To: Loopers From: Per Boysen Subject: the-complete-list-of-bucketheads-guitar-gear Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 10:36:26 +0100 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76672 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 09:36:31 +0000 (UTC) What a shame Buckethead isn't into live looping! http://www.digitalburn.org/the-complete-list-of-bucketheads-guitar-gear/ Although it's not very exciting with the backtrack, I like his tone and phrasing. He is not afraid to stay with classic "rock guitar vocabulary" but he does it with a nice twist and doesn't lose his flow when going "off sync" during scale runs. Actually, passing in and out of that "havoc zone" makes those standard lines better IMHO. A nice example on that Paul Bley quotation "Practice makes perfect - imperfect is better". Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://www.youtube.com/pellibox (gritty) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 27 09:40:56 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 52A833BEDD; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 09:40:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-ME-UUID: 20071127094054540.0D2DE7000081@mwinf2e06.orange.fr Message-ID: <474BE625.9050701@addcom.de> Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 10:40:53 +0100 From: Stefan Tiedje User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (Macintosh/20071031) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Kork Mr1 recorder References: <04b901c82fb3$bf3a4e60$6401a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> In-Reply-To: <04b901c82fb3$bf3a4e60$6401a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76673 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 09:40:56 +0000 (UTC) Krispen Hartung schrieb: > Too bad the inputs are mini, though this is the first time I've seen > balanced mini inputs. It comes with a tiny Crown stereo mic. It has an > internal 20 gig drive too. Besides the disadvantages, is there any advantage which would justify 4 times the price of a Zoom H-2.??? Stefan -- Stefan Tiedje------------x------- --_____-----------|-------------- --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()------- -- _|_)----|-----()-------------- ----------()--------www.ccmix.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 27 10:15:49 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 245183BECD; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 10:15:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 11:15:44 +0100 (MET) Message-Id: <200711271015.lARAFi3i014669@post.webmailer.de> X-Authentication-Warning: ket.store: httpd set sender to rs@moinlabs.de using -f To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: rs@moinlabs.de Subject: Re: Help - looking for a unique kind of effect X-Priority: 3 X-Abuse: 512675 / 192.109.190.88 X-RZG-MBID: 0AP3TDtljfgdCQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-RZG-CLASS-ID: em07 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76674 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 10:15:49 +0000 (UTC) > Hi - perhaps you guys can help me?? I'm looking for a delay footpedal tha= t > can also bend pitch at the same time. That is, as the slaps happen, thei= r > picti is being altered up and down a little... as would happen with a > chorus. 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Check it out! = --_cef36671-69d6-44d1-a198-2981be913c66_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 27 13:12:09 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 993B23BEC1; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 13:12:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 430 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 13:12:08 UTC DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references:x-google-sender-auth; bh=zRkVmdE6SODLmAAP9oT2oLEsbILAGHdi0eMxPf97xVw=; b=PNzOeKGUpPGZIVkm4CTB0mQFQ/SMQQOkGM2ngSO27aDInaXgKyFf1jPMBphz0ylR6jWiZDAdzvSwd0dGv7Uw86gSGcQ5bzvLVd1N33Sscb9ldvVeg7Bj+8AGmkHoyIsN9EL/c9UAjg/OxQCbJb7UBtHgv99+y2MiVDvFECpANxQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=MrBEzjuj5z/4iRFWdI665Uj7LBYOPDYwRc6qb+adduSktLoTAeFprmu2CZqb39iaq581Va8us7WkUDvVBGcKWDwLB/51LvlyOOodjdHfHjAft34syh9rIPRI+NgLcbo9F4L8bsej8/te56QUOTjZarQwxuGdgcrwtAy9LsekHqQ= Message-ID: Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 08:04:56 -0500 From: "Jesse Chappell" Sender: essejlc@gmail.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: JACK for Windows In-Reply-To: <9e0440a60711251110p299ebd94k7fbe5e10bfa61b9f@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <005b01c82f25$6f53d6c0$4dfb8440$@com> <9e0440a60711251110p299ebd94k7fbe5e10bfa61b9f@mail.gmail.com> X-Google-Sender-Auth: d48afbad52b7edbb Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76675 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 13:12:09 +0000 (UTC) On Nov 25, 2007 2:10 PM, Jim Goodin wrote: > Thanks for the head-up onthis Tony I've often wished for such animal to > combine or mix audio at desktop level. It looks like this is sourcecode to > download and self-compile, are there already compiled specific platorm ports > I missed? Yes, the zip file contains the binaries for windows and OSX precompiled as well. Don't forget to get the Qjackctl binary as well to start and control the JACK server. jlc From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 27 13:24:22 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E6E683BEDD; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 13:24:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <8E335593-3A0C-4C52-BA6E-540B07A21179@mac.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Chris Sewell Subject: Macworld readers, I need a solid. Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 08:24:17 -0500 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76676 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 13:24:22 +0000 (UTC) A few issues ago, I saw a review, or at least a description, of an application that lets you control various other applications with your Apple Remote Control. I believe it was the issue with the security cover story. I'm interested is experimenting with Ableton Live with it. Since the guys Ableton still have not provided midi control of keystrokes, this might allow me to switch live sets remotely. Bome has yet to make good on its promise of a Mac version of Midi Translator and the Midistroke doesnt really work well. Any help would be appreciated. C From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 27 13:40:25 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BFB373BEE6; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 13:40:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; bh=ajviB+e7mPwnbKB2D1XiMtAzyNdzoSdVG+Vz11+FIKk=; b=wRDXGgGuHCS2e2HHXRsEg0hA419yTomkFvVi11qUwKaDHgSQh23kU1uY0j1P3z4BR4Sfp7Ojbm7BZr2VmjxFPO7zuRm/sKZ74BG8/2TI91YRxCTXiALYH7ZpwO/rYVdiURF2VbXfVmAzMBcGH0s4+kalJPi5XlLKanzO26rO3rI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=FlsS6OSQkoL5vSGyy3MIylUWUQ6KclBBKQD7hCixLoXKUq7JTwzj1OIFxk7lZ9ohWMT9mol5mGkq9mGzboQJN4O5yF+y2zE/2T2W6xIaXvF855ogWzTAbggAPFEnEdAbGOZl4i7BjW0UAf04AIXD6FYDKEPojth45I8XH+binkk= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <8E335593-3A0C-4C52-BA6E-540B07A21179@mac.com> References: <8E335593-3A0C-4C52-BA6E-540B07A21179@mac.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <5CBBA74F-200B-4799-95E0-6DAF727C1F6C@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Macworld readers, I need a solid. Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 14:40:18 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76677 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 13:40:25 +0000 (UTC) On 27 nov 2007, at 14.24, Chris Sewell wrote: > A few issues ago, I saw a review, or at least a description, of an > application that lets you control various other applications with > your Apple Remote Control. I believe it was the issue with the > security cover story. > I'm interested is experimenting with Ableton Live with it. Since > the guys Ableton still have not provided midi control of > keystrokes, this might allow me to switch live sets remotely. Bome > has yet to make good on its promise of a Mac version of Midi > Translator and the Midistroke doesnt really work well. > Any help would be appreciated. > C Try midiStroke by Charlie Roberts! http://www.macmusic.org/software/view.php/lang/en/id/3745/ http://www.charlie-roberts.com/midiStroke/ Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://www.youtube.com/pellibox (gritty) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 27 13:43:48 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 076463BED8; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 13:43:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; bh=WuT2aRu8vFers4Ax9lfX0T0nNpTuQbzPA52UgM6+L+Y=; b=azlzrAHrnj8UfQ/SVy2AhYmWY9FMDSJaaJDZ/rJU3/mqvaYKokjiBt6l3JKeLTsBJxWsY7svLUnbWCokZ2FAbrzR86pE9PSKG9J/DmWB5Fcs/gFi1kV5Hf9tk2qCW0cILcSIe4RMizN7tt8+5wlNDxWMD66d55SoeP0RDxxnFuw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=received:mime-version:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=bXJg13atvQWHSTsnsJC40SgZgX1KEbRFD2yKDu9OeEedrSC3m29riOs9GT5rE0W7OLik4eBQ+m1pvvSORGO2C0eola4cpyZrEJkmC9v+nitSlC9Jz0kvK3IITeBCMiiN1Mrz7lM50vclZkInFFeVJi3yPBRVUA4fu3hwxJGgmKU= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) References: <1425E9B4-1860-4765-95AD-9AB2F2E48959@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <8484EFF7-E5A8-4D08-9D2B-B4375CA4DF71@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Macworld readers, I need a solid. Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 14:43:43 +0100 To: Loopers X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76678 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 13:43:47 +0000 (UTC) > On 27 nov 2007, at 14.24, Chris Sewell wrote: > >> A few issues ago, I saw a review, or at least a description, of an >> application that lets you control various other applications with >> your Apple Remote Control. I believe it was the issue with the >> security cover story. >> I'm interested is experimenting with Ableton Live with it. Since >> the guys Ableton still have not provided midi control of >> keystrokes, this might allow me to switch live sets remotely. Bome >> has yet to make good on its promise of a Mac version of Midi >> Translator and the Midistroke doesnt really work well. >> Any help would be appreciated. >> C > > > Try midiStroke by Charlie Roberts! > http://www.macmusic.org/software/view.php/lang/en/id/3745/ > http://www.charlie-roberts.com/midiStroke/ oopss... sorry. I was too fast reading. You need exactly the opposite to midiStroke. Hmm.... that's difficult. per From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 27 13:51:00 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C463C3BEE2; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 13:51:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 14:50:57 +0100 From: "Buzap Buzap" In-Reply-To: <474BCF69.1070704@tiscali.co.uk> Message-ID: <20071127135057.267930@gmx.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <017301c823c5$67bc43e0$7db0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <017c01c823c8$86903c10$7db0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <20071110124613.jqqb4dxyysgcok04@69.89.21.76> <8FA76012-0116-1000-F46F-74294F18AB61-Webmail-10013@mac.com> <20071126234139.84120@gmx.net> <474BCF69.1070704@tiscali.co.uk> Subject: Re: RC-50 and Speed Control To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Authenticated: #33233833 X-Flags: 0001 X-Mailer: WWW-Mail 6100 (Global Message Exchange) X-Priority: 3 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX18irqc6VAwidmvN1QgGzn9LhcFzuK5eFwFmWikm0O yGTAqndCD/4K2J2z9Eu9JWcxbGKwbbl8iRyw== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-GMX-UID: 8Rd+dp1AIydmBox+j2ZrYhBSa2FkZlX/ Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76679 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 13:51:00 +0000 (UTC) Hi Andy > Now, the question is... > ....can we hear your music anywhere? Good question ;-) I don't have a myspace profile with MP3s. The only thing loop-wise on the net is probably the little sample I recorded when I "discovered" the feedback feature on the RC-50: http://www.loopers-delight.com/files/index.php?PHPSESSID=8b08bc554d5751faac9abad317c86faf&direction=0&order=&directory=Audio_-_Looping_Examples I got all excited about the feature and jammed a bit on a moog-like patch on my synth. ;-) I'm not a "looping artist" like all these people here. Mostly, I "abuse" the looper as a multi-tracker to play A/B background tracks. So, I guess, in the looping world, I'm more creative with the theoretical aspects than practical performance... Personally, I actually prefer i.e. improvising with a dozen people "unplugged". But if you want to jam by yourself, a looper is your best friend ;-) Best regards Buzap -- Ist Ihr Browser Vista-kompatibel? Jetzt die neuesten Browser-Versionen downloaden: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/browser From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 27 14:49:54 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 078163BEE1; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 14:49:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <00d401c83104$c2d63eb0$6401a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <04b901c82fb3$bf3a4e60$6401a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> <474BE625.9050701@addcom.de> Subject: Re: Kork Mr1 recorder Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 07:49:48 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76680 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 14:49:54 +0000 (UTC) Wow, I did not notice the price difference. That is extreme. The 20 gig drive can't even justify that, as memory is cheap these days. I'll stick with my m-audio microtrack. I am quite happy with it for average recording. Kris ----- Original Message ----- > Krispen Hartung schrieb: >> Too bad the inputs are mini, though this is the first time I've seen >> balanced mini inputs. It comes with a tiny Crown stereo mic. It has an >> internal 20 gig drive too. > > Besides the disadvantages, is there any advantage which would justify 4 > times the price of a Zoom H-2.??? > > Stefan > > -- > Stefan Tiedje------------x------- > --_____-----------|-------------- > --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()------- > -- _|_)----|-----()-------------- > ----------()--------www.ccmix.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 27 15:26:23 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 296CD3BEE4; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 15:26:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=ZhsiI8DK2XWqh28LR/MjY84IIShKBEeLp7zvZUTjmIY=; b=ZJyrumzvQYc0KLeZTZzZW5bkxtlo8u+kVGKGfQ1fUpljFJVfZyUdcaUDpmwva26YB1pMK4ePnMxbc3diWwSFSvywdja3re68V0VUn/1lNapFieQlCZkhdjRdjaEOlaSdf+xnMmEs7jPgLxkDoRSDjRQiBvjzRtpI18VecYjhwM4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=kC3LfpvrjxMvsDYMfcUkNEqYbbz/ObaLv8iceQxYx/9HXnb/0G0x30RJQhQFyEk36Gmap8bow4nM6vgwneyH0FAW1qNL1ewznWSKKa3tBxkRMYn2SbcYeSR2LZozDguKc5AjhhzByOi1Eqnq5rjzkLIQs3BLzOvTsifflVfS3Pc= Message-ID: Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 07:26:20 -0800 From: "Travis Hartnett" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Help - looking for a unique kind of effect In-Reply-To: <200711271015.lARAFi3i014669@post.webmailer.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <200711271015.lARAFi3i014669@post.webmailer.de> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76681 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 15:26:23 +0000 (UTC) Are you looking for something that registers as actual pitch bending (significant bending), or just modulated delay repeats a la the Memory Man Deluxe? On Nov 27, 2007 2:15 AM, wrote: > > Hi - perhaps you guys can help me?? I'm looking for a delay footpedal that > > can also bend pitch at the same time. That is, as the slaps happen, their > > picti is being altered up and down a little... as would happen with a > > chorus. I need at least 500ms of delay. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 27 15:30:38 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4802A3BEEC; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 15:30:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: Glenn Poorman To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 07:30:30 -0800 Subject: RE: Help - looking for a unique kind of effect Thread-Topic: Help - looking for a unique kind of effect Thread-Index: AcgxCe3UC5QEXMrFTqmQruCc+eiTbAAAF36g Message-ID: <54A0E51A24352642A1682F35DF7407411770786DAC@ADSK-NAMSG-01.MGDADSK.autodesk.com> References: <200711271015.lARAFi3i014669@post.webmailer.de> In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: en-US Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76682 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 15:30:38 +0000 (UTC) Not a food pedal but the TC Electronic D-TWO (rack mounted dedicated delay) has a chorus that can be applied to only the delay signal. Glenn -----Original Message----- From: Travis Hartnett [mailto:travishartnett@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2007 10:26 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Help - looking for a unique kind of effect Are you looking for something that registers as actual pitch bending (significant bending), or just modulated delay repeats a la the Memory Man Deluxe? On Nov 27, 2007 2:15 AM, wrote: > > Hi - perhaps you guys can help me?? I'm looking for a delay footpedal t= hat > > can also bend pitch at the same time. That is, as the slaps happen, th= eir > > picti is being altered up and down a little... as would happen with a > > chorus. I need at least 500ms of delay. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 27 16:40:00 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9B0573BEEC; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 16:40:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-RZG-CLASS-ID: mo07 X-RZG-AUTH: lUESeo99iNzPL8kuBgLYdKEqUywq9cxqeRA+BtFcSCD5deQ7OI7EoP5A8g== From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: AW: Kork Mr1 recorder Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 17:40:33 +0100 Organization: Moinlabs Message-ID: <001501c83114$3aae5670$1001a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <474BE625.9050701@addcom.de> Thread-Index: Acgw2ZxlePFYcKipReOLWrws+O7CawANJjkQ X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76683 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 16:40:00 +0000 (UTC) > Besides the disadvantages, is there any advantage which would > justify 4 times the price of a Zoom H-2.??? The reason is DSD technology. To quote our own Henry Kaiser (from the liner notes of "Yo Miles! Sky Garden"): "We also recorded the music with a Studer 1/2'' analog two-track machine. Everyone who listened to both recording formats in many blindfold tests preferred the DSD recording to the analog for its amazing depth, imaging and greater detail.[...] Chek this out - this is a technology that needs to be supported by more users." DSD is a delta-sigma (1bit) conversion technology which samples at 'round 2.88MHz. So how does this work, compared to typical PCM (e.g. CD, DVD) audio? A usual (let's say 16 bit) A/D converter with a sampling frequency of (to make calculations simple) 100kHz (close to today's 96kHz) will sample every 10us. That means: every 10us, it measures the voltage on the analogue input, which let's say can be in a range from -1 to 1V. This range is then evenly cut up into the digital sampling steps: with 16 bits, there are 64738 possible values, so a voltage of -1V would equal 0000000000000000, a voltage of 1V would be 1111111111111111, and a voltage of 0V would be 1000000000000000. That means that every sample step (here, every 10us), you can theoretically correctly sample a change from -1V to 1V (or from any value to any value). With delta-sigma conversion, the converter only has one bit. How does that work. If we start at time 0 (sample point 0), the voltage is sampled. At step 1, the voltage you measure now is compared to the voltage from the last step. If it's bigger, then the converter's single bit outputs 1, else it outputs 0. The trick here is that you greatly increase the sampling frequency. In the case of DSD (and SACD), it's 2.88MHz, which compared to CD is about 64 times as much. That means that every time your normal converter samples, the DSD converter has sampled 64 times. As in the analogue world, sudden jumps (like -1V to 1V in an instant and back to -1V in the next) are rather uncommon while very fast changes (i.e. faster than every 10us) are, it is argued that the 1bit conversion better represents the analogue world the sound comes from (this may be different for all of us electronic-noise-generators, though). Is it worth four times the price? It depends. First of all, I have to admit that I don't have any first-hand experience with this new technology - I don't even own a CD player that can play SACDs, let alone have a DSD recording medium. So I cannot judge wheter the sound is any better (and by how much it is better). Now why do they charge that much? Having a clock frequency and data transmission happening at 2.88MHz can be an EMC issue, especially in an audio device. However, this is nothing uncommon nowadays, because 1-bit converters have started to dominate the audio market some 15 years ago - and if today, you look at the specs of your favourite "24bit" audio device (let's say, TC Finalizer), you'll find that it actually uses 1bit converters sampling at 6.144MHz. And I'm sure that a lot of the lower-range devices (e.g. Microtrack) use 1bit converters as well (they are even cheaper). Sooo, you obviously pay for a technology that has been present for many, many years, only its output hasn't been used as a data storage format. Perhaps some of our codewarrior/soldering iron people can hack e.g. a Zoom H2 to use DSD? Rainer From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 27 17:59:24 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 78E433BED6; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 17:59:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=NuKu3mbgHniFs/N6ihcPhqDHcAU1bS2s19/fXcHATsI=; b=rkZQHWsM18oco2LuTS3aojmvH60fbls14jA94mzX1fIYJSfKhB+XUMD1ZThc+9O4MY3WlsOycdRvWVfq2iyDWzI40RXUijcDe+jjpennQ0JaB70BzBJlyAGPv1N90rL33MnWcoH6OEZljK69UwK7tqc4Slj8bUewkBwJg3Hi4xY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=OH688R4GIajME9CqaGXEb3YSMNbXyL8f1Yu47yJeYapl+Z1HIVrTp0tKAJKRWm6xLbgQhnncz0W88vXkciUrTHXR4rdFVUHvtxt4xslnNdHMeqvj4qrYtNkrYgqakaDGpDKzJMVSB0FK/tTVGfNS49fA+uB5z/olh/7Z6oCdXE8= Message-ID: Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 12:59:20 -0500 From: "Tony K" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Help - looking for a unique kind of effect In-Reply-To: <000301c82ff5$30f7d360$bdbf5548@hppav> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <474A63F7.4060809@minds-eye.org> <000301c82ff5$30f7d360$bdbf5548@hppav> Resent-Message-ID: <6W_sAC.A.o0B.7rFTHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76684 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 17:59:24 +0000 (UTC) My Digitech RP2000 will do that I believe, but it's not small or light. Possibly one of the lower end GNX boxes? hmm.. I'm not sure if it'll do up/down shifting with the delay. that'd be a very interesting effect though. Tony On Nov 26, 2007 1:25 AM, David Kirkdorffer wrote: > Hi - perhaps you guys can help me?? I'm looking for a delay footpedal that > can also bend pitch at the same time. That is, as the slaps happen, their > picti is being altered up and down a little... as would happen with a > chorus. I need at least 500ms of delay. > > Any ideas?? Again, I nee this from a footpedal delay. 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                                                       Copyright © Paypal 2007. All rights From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 27 19:41:59 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DDDDA3BEDB; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 19:41:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: Donearlsto@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 14:41:36 EST Subject: Re: Echoplex Woes To: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, matigrob@gmail.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_d3e.1a789af9.347dccf0_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 310 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: <9id-LC.A.YcF.HMHTHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76685 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 19:41:59 +0000 (UTC) --part1_d3e.1a789af9.347dccf0_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello, My unit appears to have this defect. Can you or Matthias walk me through this fix? Thanks! Donovan Stokes www.donovanstokes.com In a message dated 11/10/07 5:06:37 AM, akbutler@tiscali.co.uk writes: > Please do the following test:- > > Plug in a cable to the Brother Sync socket. > If the EDP re-boots when you earth the tip of that lead to the > chassis of the edp then you know you have this fault. > > Matthias Grob fixed my edp by adding a small capacitor onto the circuit > board. > ...maybe he can supply details. > > ************************************** Check out AOL's list of 2007's hottest products. (http://money.aol.com/special/hot-products-2007?NCID=aoltop00030000000001) --part1_d3e.1a789af9.347dccf0_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello,
        My unit appears to have this defect.  Can you or Matthias walk me thro= ugh this fix? 

        Thanks!

        Donovan Stokes
        www.donovanstokes.com

        In a message dated 11/10/07 5:06:37 AM, akbutler@tiscali.co.uk writes:


        Please do the followi= ng test:-

        Plug in a cable to the Brother Sync socket.
        If the EDP re-boots when you earth the tip of that lead to the
        chassis of the edp then you know you have this fault.

        Matthias Grob fixed my edp by adding a small capacitor onto the circuit boar= d.
        ...maybe he can supply details.





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        Check out AO= L's list of 2007's hottest products.
        (http://money.aol.com/special/hot-pr= oducts-2007?NCID=3Daoltop00030000000001) --part1_d3e.1a789af9.347dccf0_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 27 20:34:10 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 64F433BEDE; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 20:34:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-RZG-CLASS-ID: mo07 X-RZG-AUTH: lUESeo99iNzPL8kuBgLYdKEqUywq9cxqeRA+BtFcSCD5deQ7OIJVmZ+tEw== From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: AW: Kork Mr1 recorder - delta sigma post scriptum Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 21:34:42 +0100 Organization: Moinlabs Message-ID: <000f01c83134$f0e09690$1001a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Thread-Index: Acgw2ZxlePFYcKipReOLWrws+O7CawANJjkQAAmXd+A= In-Reply-To: <001501c83114$3aae5670$1001a8c0@succubus> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76686 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 20:34:10 +0000 (UTC) > With delta-sigma conversion, the converter only has one bit. > How does that work. If we start at time 0 (sample point 0), Note that the description that followed was nice but utterly wrong. Here's a correct one: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delta-sigma_modulation And here is something that describes the coding: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pulse-density_modulation Why is that especially beautiful in our "we want it to sound analog" way? This is basically the way the human brain does representation of values. Rainer From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 27 20:35:25 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AA30B3BEDB; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 20:35:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 721 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 20:35:25 UTC Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_17b84417-cb00-4a03-bedd-11286ac8f286_" X-Originating-IP: [213.249.187.16] From: phillip wilson To: Subject: wheres Loop 4 gone? Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 20:23:23 +0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <54A0E51A24352642A1682F35DF7407411770786DAC@ADSK-NAMSG-01.MGDADSK.autodesk.com> References: <200711271015.lARAFi3i014669@post.webmailer.de> <54A0E51A24352642A1682F35DF7407411770786DAC@ADSK-NAMSG-01.MGDADSK.autodesk.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Nov 2007 20:23:24.0051 (UTC) FILETIME=[5C3ACE30:01C83133] Resent-Message-ID: <8ae4RB.A.QNH.N-HTHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76687 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 20:35:25 +0000 (UTC) --_17b84417-cb00-4a03-bedd-11286ac8f286_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Im having a really annoying day!! =20 I have just taken recipt of my third echoplex and LO!! more echoplex woes! =20 It wasnt loop 4 upgraded as described in the advert and only had 12 secs of= ram!! =20 so...I go to the Auisis site to work on fixing the problem and....UNAVAILAB= LE!! EEK =20 can someone tell me whats going on with that? I have big gigs in a few week= s and if I cant get hold of loop four for this unit im, well, stuffed basic= ally. =20 sorry if this sounds ranty, panick is setting in! =20 Phill Wilson _________________________________________________________________ Feel like a local wherever you go. http://www.backofmyhand.com= --_17b84417-cb00-4a03-bedd-11286ac8f286_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Im having a really annoying day!!
         
        I have just taken recipt of my third echoplex and LO!! more echoplex woes!<= BR>  
        It wasnt loop 4 upgraded as described in the advert and only had 12 secs of= ram!!
         
        so...I go to the Auisis site to work on fixing the problem and....UNAV= AILABLE!! EEK
         
        can someone tell me whats going on with that? I have big gigs in a few week= s and if I cant get hold of loop four for this unit im, well, stuffed basic= ally.
         
        sorry if this sounds ranty, panick is setting in!
         
        Phill Wilson

        Do you know a place like the back of your hand?= Share local knowledge with BackOfMyHand.com = --_17b84417-cb00-4a03-bedd-11286ac8f286_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 27 20:39:57 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 20C3D3BEF6; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 20:39:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-RZG-CLASS-ID: mo07 X-RZG-AUTH: lUESeo99iNzPL8kuBgLYdKEqUywq9cxqeRA+BtFcSCD5deQ7OIJVmZ+tEw== From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: AW: wheres Loop 4 gone? Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 21:40:30 +0100 Organization: Moinlabs Message-ID: <001301c83135$c071f2a0$1001a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Thread-Index: AcgxNQqLeiTI3Pv6SSChVZ5YgBvzjAAAGafg In-Reply-To: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76688 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 20:39:57 +0000 (UTC) Phil said: > can someone tell me whats going on with that? I have big gigs in a few weeks and if I cant get hold of loop four for this > unit im, well, stuffed basically. > sorry if this sounds ranty, panick is setting in! If all else fails, get a (XP) laptop and an audio interface and use Mobius... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 27 21:07:48 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7D34A3BEFB; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 21:07:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <001501c83114$3aae5670$1001a8c0@succubus> References: <001501c83114$3aae5670$1001a8c0@succubus> Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 15:07:35 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Mech Subject: Re: AW: Kork Mr1 recorder Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <1VFEDC.A.iX.kcITHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76689 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 21:07:48 +0000 (UTC) At 5:40 PM +0100 11/27/07, Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill wrote: > >DSD is a delta-sigma (1bit) conversion technology which samples at 'round >2.88MHz. So how does this work, compared to typical PCM (e.g. CD, DVD) >audio? Now, I believe this type of one-bit sampling technology has actually been around since the late 80's. IIRC, there was some sampling technology touting one-bit conversion (Yamaha TX16W perhaps?) which had ties back to the original Sequential Circuits engineering team, which was originally sold to Yamaha then Korg when SCI went out of business in the mid-80's. This is one of those many occasions where I really miss Dr. Zvonar, dammit. :( >Is it worth four times the price? Well, if you believe the marketing. I think I've got a couple of evaluation points worth considering. That's not to say they aren't addressed with current DSD technology, but I feel they're certain worth having asked and answered. Okay, I am pulling up some crap from my severely mis-fired and perhaps slightly drug-addled memory cells of twenty years ago, so take the historical part with a grain of salt. The main issue levelled at one-bit recording back in the 80's , if I remember my history, was that it had substandard transient response. For instance, if you record in 16-bits, it's possible for one value to be 0000000000000000, while its neighboring value to spike immediately to 1111111111111111 -- no necessary interpolation between. If you take that same transient recorded in DSD (one-bit) and illustrate it using the same 16-bit terminology, this would translate to an initial value of 0000000000000000, followed by another of 0000000000000001, then 0000000000000010, all the way up until you finally reach 1111111111111111. There's the potential to observe softening of the transients, which could result in a digital compression that might be pleasing or irritating. Which one, I don't know. Regardless, it is another type of digital distortion. The supposed workaround for this is that, as you pointed out, the sampling rate is phenomenally high. These days, it's certainly much higher than was ever possible back when DSD was first put out. The way it's supposed to work is that the super-fast sampling rate compensates for having to approach these bit values "one step at a time". Does it work? Again, I'm not making a value judgment here. But try to approach your critical listening tests with that *potential* fault in mind. The next possible criticism is much more modern, and dovetails into an argument put forward by Dan Lavry, of Lavry Engineering in his white paper here: http://www.lavryengineering.com/documents/Sampling_Theory.pdf Now, of those of you that don't know, Lavry Engineering makes *extremely* high-end A/D/A converters. These are some of the converters favored by people who think even the top-line Apogee's are crap. So, if you're a mastering engineer and wanna go spend in the neighborhood of five figures for top-end converters, go Lavry. In other words, IMNSHO, the guy knows his sh**. In this paper, he's explaining (for one thing) why 192KHz sampling rates are nothing more than industry hype. In fact, Dan Lavry refuses to support 192K, and even argues that it is sub-standard to a good-quality converter operating at 88.2K or 96K. Why? Because, amongst many reasons, the tolerances of modern electronics (especially mass-produced designs) can't really keep up with 192K as a stable rate. The main operative point here is "stable". Micro-fluctuations induced by the components start to really come out when they are driven at such a high rate. I think it's roughly analogous to driving a 30 watt guitar amp full-on at 30 watts ("mine goes to 11", in other words). What happens is that you end up with distortion, where the guitar waveform becomes clipped off so that it's transformed into more of a square wave at the peaks. Now, of course, on a guitar amp this distortion is pleasing, and amps are actually designed to take advantage of this. On a digital converter, however, distortions produced by having to perform near the limits of component tolerance are not nearly so desirable. This can also be backed up by some of Bob Katz's jitter tests (I'm reading his excellent "Mastering Audio" book right now). Katz found that, in evaluating clock specs, it was not really so much the ability of the clock to generate a spot-on 44.1KHz (or whatever rate) clock. Rather, what mattered more to the converters and the overall quality of the sound was the *stability* of the clock source. In other words, it didn't matter quite so much that the clock generated at a rate of, say, 43.915KHz, as long as the clock was stable at that rate and as free of clock jitter as possible. This points out again that what matters a great deal is the stability and consistency of the sampling rate, not so much the speed of the rate itself. So, bringing it back to DSD.... Now you've got a converter that is performing at 2.88MHz. Is that going to be similarly susceptible to component tolerance factors? Again, I don't know for certain, but that's got to be a factor to consider when evaluating this technology. --m. -- _____ "take one step outside yourself. the whole path lasts no longer than one step..." From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 28 00:04:44 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 38E843BEDC; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 00:04:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; bh=IgTaYfW7rngdPqap7XL+s0quVY4Ugdavr051+OoFEeY=; b=ojrmvxkFM5NvlUc9033U5utFF2M4Abda1MznEjpuqIL7UNxmfwfW2UvdUT4bSw93i6N0NTI618/IB9JCxCmE7V1qDVzVSuMxr+pxpOZhNk0M8QjLUnZHDrAoQ2/byQNXyRfNwEmL6yQ6i94JLyxr6UNX424mwO09QFnHyY8ajUc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=fvKP82Aug9Nu2mPKBB0OxaoYPR0aF6pxPhZZi4m9jtZ60dHc9YIRdsyje+IKBcUyCGQTmn2YIuX2w5hqpb/kLyj2uE5pQt9V02eHch3sEDuCPuIwQi2T42TMx4J2RtsyShwmCH1l4wRuGIZi+ppZOYZdy1ZoJeA7yJetQbXzThQ= Message-ID: <37f071c00711271604q5b51ed84v214835faba21cd3f@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 16:04:42 -0800 From: "Kevin Cheli-Colando" To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Electrix MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_3274_21394178.1196208282345" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76690 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 00:04:44 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_3274_21394178.1196208282345 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Interesting ebay discovery, All the new line of Electrix stuff (compressors, turntable, enhancers, etc.) seem to be available in large quantity via ebay. None of the original line (MoFX, Repeater, etc) is there, but all the other things listed on their website seem to be abundant. They are not available via Musiciansfriend, ZZounds, or Sweetwater. Curious Kevin ------=_Part_3274_21394178.1196208282345 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Interesting ebay discovery,

        All the new line of Electrix stuff (compressors, turntable, enhancers, etc.) seem to be available in large quantity via ebay.  None of the original line (MoFX, Repeater, etc) is there, but all the other things listed on their website seem to be abundant.  They are not available via Musiciansfriend, ZZounds, or Sweetwater.

        Curious

        Kevin
        ------=_Part_3274_21394178.1196208282345-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 28 01:14:00 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1F06A3BEE0; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 01:14:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: <37f071c00711271604q5b51ed84v214835faba21cd3f@mail.gmail.com> References: <37f071c00711271604q5b51ed84v214835faba21cd3f@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <5005465B-1029-4C86-9032-C59E2C2B5FF2@mac.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Chris Sewell Subject: Re: Electrix Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 20:13:49 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76691 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 01:14:00 +0000 (UTC) It appears some people are about to get ripped off. Clearly fraud. On Nov 27, 2007, at 7:04 PM, Kevin Cheli-Colando wrote: > Interesting ebay discovery, > > All the new line of Electrix stuff (compressors, turntable, > enhancers, etc.) seem to be available in large quantity via ebay. > None of the original line (MoFX, Repeater, etc) is there, but all > the other things listed on their website seem to be abundant. They > are not available via Musiciansfriend, ZZounds, or Sweetwater. > > Curious > > Kevin From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 28 01:15:00 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8FA683BED6; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 01:15:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_09a63031-1054-4f9e-8895-66e1dad6af8d_" X-Originating-IP: [213.249.187.16] From: phillip wilson To: Subject: RE: wheres Loop 4 gone? Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 01:14:59 +0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: References: <200711271015.lARAFi3i014669@post.webmailer.de> <54A0E51A24352642A1682F35DF7407411770786DAC@ADSK-NAMSG-01.MGDADSK.autodesk.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Nov 2007 01:14:59.0279 (UTC) FILETIME=[1832BDF0:01C8315C] Resent-Message-ID: <_yXfoD.A.rPB.UEMTHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76692 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 01:15:00 +0000 (UTC) --_09a63031-1054-4f9e-8895-66e1dad6af8d_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable **and relax** =20 Just heard from the wonderful Matthias and I now feel at least secure that = I will one day be able to bring this echoplex up to speed. =20 in the mean time and wirth a slighly more calm mind I have mucked about swa= pping ram between the three units so there is a resonable amount of time in= each unit, and with a bit of thought can use the new unit for vocals whic= h are the simplist element of my set up and dont need to reverse half speed= etc sooooo........phew........long as the crystals arnt out of whack, Ish= ould make the gig. =20 Thanks for the other surgestions, hehe, I am constantly tempted by a laptop= set up , i know it makes sense as a back up, but i guess after all this ti= me im just waaaay too attached to my buttons, knobs and metal boxes. but th= anks anyway for the surgestion, its maybe something i should consider for a= backup . =20 Phill MyOneManBand =20 www.myspace.com/myonemanband =20 =20 From: phillwilson@hotmail.comTo: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.comSubject= : wheres Loop 4 gone?Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 20:23:23 +0000 Im having a really annoying day!! I have just taken recipt of my third echo= plex and LO!! more echoplex woes! It wasnt loop 4 upgraded as described in = the advert and only had 12 secs of ram!! so...I go to the Auisis site to wo= rk on fixing the problem and....UNAVAILABLE!! EEK can someone tell me whats= going on with that? I have big gigs in a few weeks and if I cant get hold = of loop four for this unit im, well, stuffed basically. sorry if this sound= s ranty, panick is setting in! Phill Wilson Do you know a place like the back of your hand? Share local knowledge with = BackOfMyHand.com=20 _________________________________________________________________ Get free emoticon packs and customisation from Windows Live.=20 http://www.pimpmylive.co.uk= --_09a63031-1054-4f9e-8895-66e1dad6af8d_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable **and relax**
         
        Just heard from the wonderful Matthias and I now feel at least secure that = I will one day be able to bring this echoplex up to speed.
         
        in the mean time and wirth a slighly more calm mind I have mucked about swa= pping ram between the three units so there is a resonable amount of time in= each unit, and with a bit of thought  can use the new unit for vocals= which are the simplist element of my set up and dont need to reverse half = speed etc sooooo........phew........long as the crystals arnt out of whack,=   Ishould make the gig.
         
        Thanks for the other surgestions, hehe, I am constantly tempted by a laptop= set up , i know it makes sense as a back up, but i guess after all this ti= me im just waaaay too attached to my buttons, knobs and metal boxes. but th= anks anyway for the surgestion, its maybe something i should consider = for a backup .
         
        Phill MyOneManBand
         
        www.myspace.com/myonemanban= d
         
         


        From: phillwilson@hotmail.com
        To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.comSubject: wheres Loop 4 gone?
        Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 20:23:23 +0000
        <= BR> Im having a really annoying day!!
         
        I have just taken recipt of = my third echoplex and LO!! more echoplex woes!
         
        It wasnt loop 4= upgraded as described in the advert and only had 12 secs of ram!!
         = ;
        so...I go to the Auisis site to work on fixing the problem and...= .UNAVAILABLE!! EEK
         
        can someone tell me whats going on with tha= t? I have big gigs in a few weeks and if I cant get hold of loop four for t= his unit im, well, stuffed basically.
         
        sorry if this sounds ran= ty, panick is setting in!
         
        Phill Wilson

        Do you know a place like the back of your hand? Share local knowledge with = BackOfMyHand.com

        Are you the Quizmaster?         Play BrainBattle with a friend= now! = --_09a63031-1054-4f9e-8895-66e1dad6af8d_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 28 01:24:04 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A23D23BEE7; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 01:24:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_3ec6c2d1-a7c2-4ad2-abcb-066346a057c1_" X-Originating-IP: [213.249.187.16] From: phillip wilson To: Subject: RE: Help - looking for a unique kind of effect Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 01:24:03 +0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <200711271015.lARAFi3i014669@post.webmailer.de> References: <200711271015.lARAFi3i014669@post.webmailer.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Nov 2007 01:24:03.0210 (UTC) FILETIME=[5C6806A0:01C8315D] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76693 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 01:24:04 +0000 (UTC) --_3ec6c2d1-a7c2-4ad2-abcb-066346a057c1_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable hmmm i think i know what u might mean, its an effect I rely on to generate a dee= p dub drum sound by simply plucking a muted low e guitar string....its call= ed "time trip" and its only found in the zoom 707 one and two as far as i k= now... i would love to find the same effect else where as the sound quality= is poor in most other respects. =20 i can make a lil demo clip if you want to see if we are on the same lines o= f thought of if this isnt the effect you where looking for. =20 Phill MyOneManBand =20 www.myspace.com/myonemanband =20 > Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 11:15:44 +0100> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-deligh= t.com> From: rs@moinlabs.de> Subject: Re: Help - looking for a unique kind = of effect> > > Hi - perhaps you guys can help me?? I'm looking for a delay = footpedal that> > can also bend pitch at the same time. That is, as the sla= ps happen, their> > picti is being altered up and down a little... as would= happen with a> > chorus. I need at least 500ms of delay.> > * Digitech PDS= series> * Line6 DL4>=20 _________________________________________________________________ Celeb spotting =96 Play CelebMashup and win cool prizes https://www.celebmashup.com= --_3ec6c2d1-a7c2-4ad2-abcb-066346a057c1_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
        hmmm
        i think i know what u might mean, its an effect I rely on to generate a dee= p dub drum sound by simply plucking a muted low e guitar string....its call= ed "time trip" and its only found in the zoom 707 one and two as far as i k= now... i would love to find the same effect else where as the sound quality= is poor in most other respects.
         
        i can make a lil demo clip if you want to see if we are on the same lines o= f  thought of if this isnt the effect you where looking for.
         
        Phill MyOneManBand
         
        www.myspace.com/myonemanban= d
         
        > Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 11:15:44 +0100
        > To: Loopers-Delight@loop= ers-delight.com
        > From: rs@moinlabs.de
        > Subject: Re: Help - lo= oking for a unique kind of effect
        >
        > > Hi - perhaps you gu= ys can help me?? I'm looking for a delay footpedal that
        > > can al= so bend pitch at the same time. That is, as the slaps happen, their
        >= > picti is being altered up and down a little... as would happen with a=
        > > chorus. I need at least 500ms of delay.
        >
        > * Di= gitech PDS series
        > * Line6 DL4
        >


        Get free = emoticon packs and customisation from Windows Live. Pimp My Live! = --_3ec6c2d1-a7c2-4ad2-abcb-066346a057c1_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 28 01:27:15 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A875D3BF00; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 01:27:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 399 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 01:27:15 UTC DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=VJf1ZTIWZ+Oa8dXFMg0ZMEm/EhVlwaUQnRot0vvZ/3EHbyxDwMK9GrSChd5mMSplOsjHY7HhpltrohOpLiYeInBrpfoyjlRK3uBjIeEIhDP4dGfQKnJgZODgwB87RU/1s/AdRQE903NPYkNKRbiPjwK+EPfkfKnx+ia7v0IH1sw=; X-YMail-OSG: yrVe.UsVM1mgJYA.hIipjS6oCTpZSLgPHyC_vfA.mnVbvv02bmb.Akv5j63SAqVpDxVN6oX8edITOqlQTA9EX6mkGi1Sn1bo9DoNUkuKP_QQ6DTLC_hJxxtVFcRueGrlFfdUZenPeTldng-- X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/818.27 YahooMailWebService/0.7.157 Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 17:20:34 -0800 (PST) From: chuck silva Subject: Help finding other musicians To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-302949926-1196212834=:96939" Message-ID: <838409.96939.qm@web58511.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76694 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 01:27:15 +0000 (UTC) --0-302949926-1196212834=:96939 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Can anyone one of you benevolent loopers out there suggest forums where I might find other quality musicians for possible collaboration or interesting music? You know. Other interesting and unique quality forums? Peace. Chuck Silva http://www.myspace.com/chucksilva ----- Original Message ---- From: Glenn Poorman To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2007 10:30:30 AM Subject: RE: Help - looking for a unique kind of effect Not a food pedal but the TC Electronic D-TWO (rack mounted dedicated delay) has a chorus that can be applied to only the delay signal. Glenn -----Original Message----- From: Travis Hartnett [mailto:travishartnett@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2007 10:26 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Help - looking for a unique kind of effect Are you looking for something that registers as actual pitch bending (significant bending), or just modulated delay repeats a la the Memory Man Deluxe? On Nov 27, 2007 2:15 AM, wrote: > > Hi - perhaps you guys can help me?? I'm looking for a delay footpedal that > > can also bend pitch at the same time. That is, as the slaps happen, their > > picti is being altered up and down a little... as would happen with a > > chorus. I need at least 500ms of delay. ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better sports nut! Let your teams follow you with Yahoo Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/sports;_ylt=At9_qDKvtAbMuh1G1SQtBI7ntAcJ --0-302949926-1196212834=:96939 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
        Can anyone one of you benevolent loopers out there suggest forums where I might find other quality musicians for possible collaboration or interesting music? You know. Other interesting and unique quality forums?

        Peace.
         
        Chuck Silva
        http://www.myspace.com/chucksilva


        ----- Original Message ----
        From: Glenn Poorman <glenn.poorman@autodesk.com>
        To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
        Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2007 10:30:30 AM
        Subject: RE: Help - looking for a unique kind of effect

        Not a food pedal but the TC Electronic D-TWO (rack mounted dedicated delay)
        has a chorus that can be applied to only the delay signal.

        Glenn

        -----Original Message-----
        From: Travis Hartnett [mailto:travishartnett@gmail.com]
        Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2007 10:26 AM
        To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
        Subject: Re: Help - looking for a unique kind of effect

        Are you looking for something that registers as actual pitch bending
        (significant bending), or just modulated delay repeats a la the Memory
        Man Deluxe?

        On Nov 27, 2007 2:15 AM,  <rs@moinlabs.de> wrote:
        > > Hi - perhaps you guys can help me?? I'm looking for a delay footpedal that
        > > can also bend pitch at the same time.  That is, as the slaps happen, their
        > > picti is being altered up and down a little... as would happen with a
        > > chorus.  I need at least 500ms of delay.



        Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. --0-302949926-1196212834=:96939-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 28 01:27:24 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 12A8E3BF07; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 01:27:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=haAiGolzo/W5QxKUh6Hb9DTVEqHRwSw8x3+mqUyid4mkwhYQQvffws8XbPBTFCeYLY5EviOY5AFhG+qAVkiDvPcxI3bg4bkVRAaJ4Z9ZUX2OwgDFD4fyXBhImM6jm7xtBfiCu8i6ctFQnbItzqYat/7y3praQ4Z2b9e3GyB1Pz4=; X-YMail-OSG: 2_4cDFIVM1mVhF5Oy5Nfj7dgQbzSOSfYW2HeXazQ2CFu27gKphCCCSTlOr1VzdjljxDQTR9S8VpyasaoCd5eLa6PaEfAvBwJYRaJhwotdIIe.liy.PzOhLYc0Z98SEoSFdeMCaIpPxqwlpE- X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/818.27 YahooMailWebService/0.7.157 Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 17:20:42 -0800 (PST) From: chuck silva Subject: Help finding other musicians To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1034376677-1196212842=:35674" Message-ID: <865992.35674.qm@web58506.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76695 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 01:27:24 +0000 (UTC) --0-1034376677-1196212842=:35674 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Can anyone one of you benevolent loopers out there suggest forums where I might find other quality musicians for possible collaboration or interesting music? You know. Other interesting and unique quality forums? Peace. Chuck Silva http://www.myspace.com/chucksilva ----- Original Message ---- From: Glenn Poorman To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2007 10:30:30 AM Subject: RE: Help - looking for a unique kind of effect Not a food pedal but the TC Electronic D-TWO (rack mounted dedicated delay) has a chorus that can be applied to only the delay signal. Glenn -----Original Message----- From: Travis Hartnett [mailto:travishartnett@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2007 10:26 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Help - looking for a unique kind of effect Are you looking for something that registers as actual pitch bending (significant bending), or just modulated delay repeats a la the Memory Man Deluxe? On Nov 27, 2007 2:15 AM, wrote: > > Hi - perhaps you guys can help me?? I'm looking for a delay footpedal that > > can also bend pitch at the same time. That is, as the slaps happen, their > > picti is being altered up and down a little... as would happen with a > > chorus. I need at least 500ms of delay. ____________________________________________________________________________________ Get easy, one-click access to your favorites. Make Yahoo! your homepage. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs --0-1034376677-1196212842=:35674 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
        Can anyone one of you benevolent loopers out there suggest forums where I might find other quality musicians for possible collaboration or interesting music? You know. Other interesting and unique quality forums?

        Peace.
         
        Chuck Silva
        http://www.myspace.com/chucksilva


        ----- Original Message ----
        From: Glenn Poorman <glenn.poorman@autodesk.com>
        To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
        Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2007 10:30:30 AM
        Subject: RE: Help - looking for a unique kind of effect

        Not a food pedal but the TC Electronic D-TWO (rack mounted dedicated delay)
        has a chorus that can be applied to only the delay signal.

        Glenn

        -----Original Message-----
        From: Travis Hartnett [mailto:travishartnett@gmail.com]
        Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2007 10:26 AM
        To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
        Subject: Re: Help - looking for a unique kind of effect

        Are you looking for something that registers as actual pitch bending
        (significant bending), or just modulated delay repeats a la the Memory
        Man Deluxe?

        On Nov 27, 2007 2:15 AM,  <rs@moinlabs.de> wrote:
        > > Hi - perhaps you guys can help me?? I'm looking for a delay footpedal that
        > > can also bend pitch at the same time.  That is, as the slaps happen, their
        > > picti is being altered up and down a little... as would happen with a
        > > chorus.  I need at least 500ms of delay.



        Be a better pen pal. Text or chat with friends inside Yahoo! Mail. See how. --0-1034376677-1196212842=:35674-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 28 01:57:45 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 553703BEEA; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 01:57:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_6e67691f-09f4-4c09-a349-3d7b704a1373_" X-Originating-IP: [213.249.187.16] From: phillip wilson To: Subject: RE: computers suck creative energy Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 01:57:43 +0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: References: <86783.9999.qm@web35110.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <20071114114223.t6ckosxc8408888c@69.89.21.76> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Nov 2007 01:57:43.0652 (UTC) FILETIME=[10AF0240:01C83162] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76696 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 01:57:45 +0000 (UTC) --_6e67691f-09f4-4c09-a349-3d7b704a1373_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable wow, so many good threads at the moment. =20 I would totally agree, adding in more loopers, then a handsonic, then a gui= tar synth, then loosing two multi fx for six pedals....i only realised yest= erday i ha`nt played a single one of my songs through to completion for lit= terally two months,thats just how caught up i am in all the possibilities o= f all this new gear (plus i am learning to hand drum which is a whole new g= ame) =20 in the end i went out last night with nothing more then my guitar and DL4 a= nd couldnt had a more fun night...i actually played songs!!!!!! =20 Phill MyOneManBand =20 www.myspace.com/myonemanband=20 =20 > If we can get used to compartmentalizing those roles into their > chosen = times, I think we could be much happier overall. That means > dedicating sc= heduled time to building and tweeking all the bugs out > of a setup until i= t works just how it's supposed to. Then WALK AWAY > AND LEAVE IT ALONE. Lat= er, come back and work on mastering making > good music on that setup. If s= omething goes wrong, make a note but > leave it until the next build slot c= omes up.>=20 _________________________________________________________________ Get free emoticon packs and customisation from Windows Live.=20 http://www.pimpmylive.co.uk= --_6e67691f-09f4-4c09-a349-3d7b704a1373_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable wow, so many good threads at the moment.
         
        I would totally agree, adding in more loopers, then a handsonic, then a gui= tar synth, then loosing two multi fx for six pedals....i only realised yest= erday i ha`nt played a single one of my songs through to completion for lit= terally two months,thats just how caught up i am in all the possibilities o= f all this new gear (plus i am learning to hand drum which is a whole new g= ame)
         
        in the end i went out last night with nothing more then my guitar and DL4 a= nd couldnt had a more fun night...i actually played songs!!!!!!
         
        Phill MyOneManBand
         
        www.myspace.com/myonemanban= d
         

        > If we can get used to compartmentalizing those roles into their > chosen times, I think we could be much happier overall. That means <= BR>> dedicating scheduled time to building and tweeking all the bugs out=
        > of a setup until it works just how it's supposed to. Then WALK AW= AY
        > AND LEAVE IT ALONE. Later, come back and work on mastering maki= ng
        > good music on that setup. If something goes wrong, make a note = but
        > leave it until the next build slot comes up.

        >
        <= BR>
        Are you the Quizmaster? Play BrainBattle with a friend now!         = --_6e67691f-09f4-4c09-a349-3d7b704a1373_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 28 03:25:56 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0A9473BED3; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 03:25:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 123383 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 03:25:55 UTC DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; bh=wg3HdfFrj/8LSJaXMqABne31/sBIl4KH3GpKyVrunNg=; b=OuwoMyS4FR5EdE5ovtva4L8qVmDzcl9U2TcPmr3MLEPWi9H3X/UXCkzbyE59nnNCwqWEk7kBU4m5+5T04TUDBO11B7L7OfNz5FwTKUu2WnSCXJPPrxeeiUf3dya8XG8oiOzkARyQh6baxVeSUFyPvAY2wM/OADGlcAuSO9EIIPo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=P4B3ZK2IMi758vrcD0yhnc7uT6mQc6R+wsSMFKh8wg5WjLdy1ie9+TR7QB3YWD2ARDPX8nOa/owjf5YTWSXtCn4cBRd3Q2Ta05dDfUDnkhfZ/5QcyvmJ3k16TQmYPg8ZO9aE77IDPuDxOiKBFMj7/sT5dtZSyMrPTp9hn/sYYdg= Message-ID: Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 22:25:52 -0500 From: "Dennis Moser" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Loopering and ambient music lecture/concert (GIG SPAM!) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_6317_10119339.1196220352749" Resent-Message-ID: <4OfOmB.A.AeF.D_NTHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76697 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 03:25:56 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_6317_10119339.1196220352749 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline On Thursday, November 29th, beginning at 4:00 PM EST, I will be presenting a FREE lecture on ambient and looping music, followed at 7:00 PM EST by a FREE concert performance. This will take place at the Frist Campus Center Auditorium of Princeton University in Princeton, New Jersey. (I did mention it is FREE?!?!). Additional details about the event are available at this Princeton U website: http://etc.princeton.edu/sl/content/view/22/ And for those of you too far away to be there, if you have an account in Second Life, we will be simulcasting live video of both the lecture and performance in to Second Life (see the above website for more information on this as well). We now return to the 1-bit encoding discussion (and Andy, I'm reading the Stockhausen book while I am down at Princeton...it's all your fault! *grin) ... Best, Dennis Moser aka "usr/sbin" ------=_Part_6317_10119339.1196220352749 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline On Thursday, November 29th, beginning at 4:00 PM EST, I will be presenting a FREE lecture on ambient and looping music, followed at 7:00 PM EST by a FREE concert performance. This will take place at the Frist Campus Center Auditorium of Princeton University in Princeton, New Jersey. (I did mention it is FREE?!?!).

        Additional details about the event are available at this Princeton U website:
               
                        http://etc.princeton.edu/sl/content/view/22/

        And for those of you too far away to be there, if you have an account in Second Life, we will be simulcasting live video of both the lecture and performance in to Second Life (see the above website for more information on this as well).

        We now return to the 1-bit encoding discussion (and Andy, I'm reading the Stockhausen book while I am down at Princeton...it's all your fault! *grin) ...

        Best,

        Dennis Moser
        aka "usr/sbin"
        ------=_Part_6317_10119339.1196220352749-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 28 04:53:27 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E61353BECF; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 04:53:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <002301c8317a$9be5d100$6401a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <865992.35674.qm@web58506.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Help finding other musicians Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 21:53:23 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0020_01C8313F.EE9D5C50" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76698 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 04:53:26 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0020_01C8313F.EE9D5C50 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable what sort of music?=20 ----- Original Message -----=20 Can anyone one of you benevolent loopers out there suggest forums = where I might find other quality musicians for possible collaboration or = interesting music? You know. Other interesting and unique quality = forums? Peace. Chuck Silva http://www.myspace.com/chucksilva=20 ----- Original Message ---- From: Glenn Poorman To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" = Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2007 10:30:30 AM Subject: RE: Help - looking for a unique kind of effect Not a food pedal but the TC Electronic D-TWO (rack mounted dedicated = delay) has a chorus that can be applied to only the delay signal. Glenn -----Original Message----- From: Travis Hartnett [mailto:travishartnett@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2007 10:26 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Help - looking for a unique kind of effect Are you looking for something that registers as actual pitch bending (significant bending), or just modulated delay repeats a la the Memory Man Deluxe? On Nov 27, 2007 2:15 AM, wrote: > > Hi - perhaps you guys can help me?? I'm looking for a delay = footpedal that > > can also bend pitch at the same time. That is, as the slaps = happen, their > > picti is being altered up and down a little... as would happen = with a > > chorus. I need at least 500ms of delay. -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- Be a better pen pal. Text or chat with friends inside Yahoo! Mail. See = how. ------=_NextPart_000_0020_01C8313F.EE9D5C50 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
        what sort of music?
        ----- Original Message -----

        Can=20 anyone one of you benevolent loopers out there suggest forums where I = might=20 find other quality musicians for possible collaboration or interesting = music?=20 You know. Other interesting and unique quality = forums?

        Peace.
         
        Chuck Silva
        http://www.myspace.com/chucksilva


        -----=20 Original Message ----
        From: Glenn Poorman <glenn.poorman@autodesk.com= >
        To:=20 "Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com"=20 <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
        Sent: Tuesday, November = 27,=20 2007 10:30:30 AM
        Subject: RE: Help - looking for a unique kind of=20 effect

        Not a food pedal but the TC Electronic D-TWO (rack = mounted=20 dedicated delay)
        has a chorus that can be applied to only the delay = signal.

        Glenn

        -----Original Message-----
        From: Travis = Hartnett [mailto:travishartnett@gmail.com]=
        Sent:=20 Tuesday, November 27, 2007 10:26 AM
        To: Loopers-Delight@lo= opers-delight.com
        Subject:=20 Re: Help - looking for a unique kind of effect

        Are you looking = for=20 something that registers as actual pitch bending
        (significant = bending), or=20 just modulated delay repeats a la the Memory
        Man Deluxe?

        On = Nov 27,=20 2007 2:15 AM,  <rs@moinlabs.de> = wrote:
        > > Hi=20 - perhaps you guys can help me?? I'm looking for a delay footpedal=20 that
        > > can also bend pitch at the same time.  That is, = as the=20 slaps happen, their
        > > picti is being altered up and down a=20 little... as would happen with a
        > > chorus.  I need at = least=20 500ms of delay.



        Be a better pen pal. Text or chat with friends inside Yahoo! Mail. See=20 how. ------=_NextPart_000_0020_01C8313F.EE9D5C50-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 28 05:00:11 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 03BD33BEC7; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 05:00:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <003e01c8317b$8ce7d080$6401a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <86783.9999.qm@web35110.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <20071114114223.t6ckosxc8408888c@69.89.21.76> Subject: Re: computers suck creative energy Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 22:00:08 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_003B_01C83140.DFEBA710" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76699 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 05:00:10 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_003B_01C83140.DFEBA710 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable It's liberating isn't it? For the last month, I have been looping with = just my clean jazz guitar sound, and my max/msp looper. I have been = concentrating on what I can do with just my instrument without the aid = of tone mangling effects, just the tone of the guitar and the power of = the looper and its features. It occured to me how easy it is (at least = for me) to make decent sounding music with loads of effects as a = artistic crutch...a few lush ambient fripp like patches, some long = delays and modulation, granular synthesis, layers of effects and pitch, = etc. After a while, my primary instrument is overshadowed, the love of = my music life that has been with me for 28 years. I find it much more = interesting and challenging to work with just my guitar tone now, and = see what limits I can push, what boundaries I can leap without the aid = of the all so seductive tone mangling effect crutch. :) We'll see = where this goes.... Kris ----- Original Message -----=20 wow, so many good threads at the moment. =20 I would totally agree, adding in more loopers, then a handsonic, then = a guitar synth, then loosing two multi fx for six pedals....i only = realised yesterday i ha`nt played a single one of my songs through to = completion for litterally two months,thats just how caught up i am in = all the possibilities of all this new gear (plus i am learning to hand = drum which is a whole new game) =20 in the end i went out last night with nothing more then my guitar and = DL4 and couldnt had a more fun night...i actually played songs!!!!!! =20 Phill MyOneManBand =20 www.myspace.com/myonemanband=20 =20 > If we can get used to compartmentalizing those roles into their=20 > chosen times, I think we could be much happier overall. That means=20 > dedicating scheduled time to building and tweeking all the bugs out=20 > of a setup until it works just how it's supposed to. Then WALK AWAY=20 > AND LEAVE IT ALONE. Later, come back and work on mastering making=20 > good music on that setup. If something goes wrong, make a note but=20 > leave it until the next build slot comes up. >=20 -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- Are you the Quizmaster? Play BrainBattle with a friend now! ------=_NextPart_000_003B_01C83140.DFEBA710 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
        It's liberating isn't it?  For the last = month, I have=20 been looping with just my clean jazz guitar sound, and my max/msp = looper. I have=20 been concentrating on what I can do with just my instrument without the = aid of=20 tone mangling effects, just the tone of the guitar and the power of the = looper=20 and its features. It occured to me how easy it is (at least for = me) to make=20 decent sounding music with loads of effects as a artistic = crutch...a few=20 lush ambient fripp like patches, some long delays and modulation, = granular=20 synthesis, layers of effects and pitch, etc. After a while, my = primary=20 instrument is overshadowed, the love of my music life that has = been=20 with me for  28 years. I find it much more interesting and = challenging to=20 work with just my guitar tone now, and see what limits I can push, what=20 boundaries I can leap without the aid of the all so seductive tone=20 mangling effect crutch.  :)  We'll see where this=20 goes....

        Kris
         
        ----- Original Message -----
         

        wow, so many good threads at the moment.
         
        I = would=20 totally agree, adding in more loopers, then a handsonic, then a guitar = synth,=20 then loosing two multi fx for six pedals....i only realised yesterday = i ha`nt=20 played a single one of my songs through to completion for litterally = two=20 months,thats just how caught up i am in all the possibilities of all = this new=20 gear (plus i am learning to hand drum which is a whole new=20 game)
         
        in the end i went out last night with nothing more = then my=20 guitar and DL4 and couldnt had a more fun night...i actually played=20 songs!!!!!!
         
        Phill MyOneManBand
         
        www.myspace.com/myonemanband= =20
         

        > If we can get used to compartmentalizing those = roles=20 into their
        > chosen times, I think we could be much happier = overall.=20 That means
        > dedicating scheduled time to building and tweeking = all the=20 bugs out
        > of a setup until it works just how it's supposed to. = Then=20 WALK AWAY
        > AND LEAVE IT ALONE. Later, come back and work on = mastering=20 making
        > good music on that setup. If something goes wrong, = make a note=20 but
        > leave it until the next build slot comes up.

        >=20


        Are you the Quizmaster? Play BrainBattle with a friend now! = ------=_NextPart_000_003B_01C83140.DFEBA710-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 28 05:04:53 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D69ED3BED3; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 05:04:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <007101c8317c$71dfb090$6401a8c0@MusicComputer> From: "Tom Rex" To: References: <865992.35674.qm@web58506.mail.re3.yahoo.com> <002301c8317a$9be5d100$6401a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> Subject: Re: Help finding other musicians Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 22:06:33 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_006E_01C83141.C523C470" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 071127-0, 11/27/2007), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76700 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 05:04:52 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_006E_01C83141.C523C470 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable there's a http://groups.myspace.com/loopersdelight group on myspace. Tom http://www.myspace.com/yetanotherbeatmaker=20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Krispen Hartung=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2007 9:53 PM Subject: Re: Help finding other musicians what sort of music?=20 ----- Original Message -----=20 Can anyone one of you benevolent loopers out there suggest forums = where I might find other quality musicians for possible collaboration or = interesting music? You know. Other interesting and unique quality = forums? Peace. Chuck Silva http://www.myspace.com/chucksilva=20 ----- Original Message ---- From: Glenn Poorman To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" = Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2007 10:30:30 AM Subject: RE: Help - looking for a unique kind of effect Not a food pedal but the TC Electronic D-TWO (rack mounted dedicated = delay) has a chorus that can be applied to only the delay signal. Glenn -----Original Message----- From: Travis Hartnett [mailto:travishartnett@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2007 10:26 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Help - looking for a unique kind of effect Are you looking for something that registers as actual pitch bending (significant bending), or just modulated delay repeats a la the = Memory Man Deluxe? On Nov 27, 2007 2:15 AM, wrote: > > Hi - perhaps you guys can help me?? I'm looking for a delay = footpedal that > > can also bend pitch at the same time. That is, as the slaps = happen, their > > picti is being altered up and down a little... as would happen = with a > > chorus. I need at least 500ms of delay. -------------------------------------------------------------------------= --- Be a better pen pal. Text or chat with friends inside Yahoo! Mail. = See how. ------=_NextPart_000_006E_01C83141.C523C470 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
        there's a http://groups.myspace.c= om/loopersdelight=20 group on myspace.
         
        Tom
        http://www.myspace.co= m/yetanotherbeatmaker 
        ----- Original Message -----
        From:=20 Krispen=20 Hartung
        To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
        Sent: Tuesday, November 27, = 2007 9:53=20 PM
        Subject: Re: Help finding other = musicians

        what sort of music?
        ----- Original Message -----

        Can=20 anyone one of you benevolent loopers out there suggest forums where = I might=20 find other quality musicians for possible collaboration or = interesting=20 music? You know. Other interesting and unique quality=20 forums?

        Peace.
         
        Chuck Silva
        http://www.myspace.com/chucksilva


        -----=20 Original Message ----
        From: Glenn Poorman <glenn.poorman@autodesk.com= >
        To:=20 "Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com"=20 <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
        Sent: Tuesday, = November 27,=20 2007 10:30:30 AM
        Subject: RE: Help - looking for a unique kind of = effect

        Not a food pedal but the TC Electronic D-TWO (rack = mounted=20 dedicated delay)
        has a chorus that can be applied to only the = delay=20 signal.

        Glenn

        -----Original Message-----
        From: = Travis=20 Hartnett [mailto:travishartnett@gmail.com]=
        Sent:=20 Tuesday, November 27, 2007 10:26 AM
        To: Loopers-Delight@lo= opers-delight.com
        Subject:=20 Re: Help - looking for a unique kind of effect

        Are you = looking for=20 something that registers as actual pitch bending
        (significant = bending),=20 or just modulated delay repeats a la the Memory
        Man = Deluxe?

        On Nov=20 27, 2007 2:15 AM,  <rs@moinlabs.de> = wrote:
        > >=20 Hi - perhaps you guys can help me?? I'm looking for a delay = footpedal=20 that
        > > can also bend pitch at the same time.  That = is, as=20 the slaps happen, their
        > > picti is being altered up and = down a=20 little... as would happen with a
        > > chorus.  I need = at least=20 500ms of delay.



        Be a better pen pal. Text or chat with friends inside Yahoo! Mail. = See=20 how.
        ------=_NextPart_000_006E_01C83141.C523C470-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 28 05:08:16 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6FF213BED6; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 05:08:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=A8VNufv7BzRQ7fx3RzhnYW0pkJw1dLeiiCiWS0X68Zg=; b=m2gY1q89hOpzkA3WH6XJjbh85Sqv49j65XqJj0ZFkNOZBjHo1O0zF5HubxD1h6nK8NBOHYAb7xBWt1o0nbC8Ju9kcz/IirmhTLpD+yYLvuxLKpDn35Gt80wDOdtww30KNdCWRPai97acMV3y/TvOQShYtvnHEGA/6n4HxeHhKJo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=rQOpaf7lGvg5BayxxYY0Enq3Psgm/5krzdRFijQ0WCBr92bNylvcvhUB3xoPwId4VynhvW2z2f+BTI9MLnxNzQhfQ2PFElPT6KLsM9USAHzX6691c2mp89vyhL2EgjXKLN/iEcgUtaSdM1tM8u0TW92qQrVpNY7lgrWylkvPMsQ= Message-ID: <64b81a780711272108u60b45a0cp8432b8ea09655f58@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 00:08:14 -0500 From: "Todd Pafford" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: computers suck creative energy In-Reply-To: <003e01c8317b$8ce7d080$6401a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_2684_28537232.1196226494358" References: <86783.9999.qm@web35110.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <20071114114223.t6ckosxc8408888c@69.89.21.76> <003e01c8317b$8ce7d080$6401a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76701 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 05:08:16 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_2684_28537232.1196226494358 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline I'll do you one better... I haven't turned on my rack of gear in about two years. Instead I've been playing flamenco, just me and my guitar. There's something beautiful in the simplicity of fingers moving strings, strings moving wood, wood moving air. I still like hanging around here listening to you folks grip about gear, though. ;) Todd On Nov 28, 2007 12:00 AM, Krispen Hartung wrote: > It's liberating isn't it? For the last month, I have been looping with > just my clean jazz guitar sound, and my max/msp looper. I have been > concentrating on what I can do with just my instrument without the aid of > tone mangling effects, just the tone of the guitar and the power of the > looper and its features. It occured to me how easy it is (at least for > me) to make decent sounding music with loads of effects as a artistic > crutch...a few lush ambient fripp like patches, some long delays and > modulation, granular synthesis, layers of effects and pitch, etc. After a > while, my primary instrument is overshadowed, the love of my music life that > has been with me for 28 years. I find it much more interesting and > challenging to work with just my guitar tone now, and see what limits I can > push, what boundaries I can leap without the aid of the all so seductive > tone mangling effect crutch. :) We'll see where this goes.... > > Kris > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > wow, so many good threads at the moment. > > I would totally agree, adding in more loopers, then a handsonic, then a > guitar synth, then loosing two multi fx for six pedals....i only realised > yesterday i ha`nt played a single one of my songs through to completion for > litterally two months,thats just how caught up i am in all the possibilities > of all this new gear (plus i am learning to hand drum which is a whole new > game) > > in the end i went out last night with nothing more then my guitar and DL4 > and couldnt had a more fun night...i actually played songs!!!!!! > > Phill MyOneManBand > > www.myspace.com/myonemanband > > > > If we can get used to compartmentalizing those roles into their > > chosen times, I think we could be much happier overall. That means > > dedicating scheduled time to building and tweeking all the bugs out > > of a setup until it works just how it's supposed to. Then WALK AWAY > > AND LEAVE IT ALONE. Later, come back and work on mastering making > > good music on that setup. If something goes wrong, make a note but > > leave it until the next build slot comes up. > > > > > > ------------------------------ > Are you the Quizmaster? Play BrainBattle with a friend now! > > > ------=_Part_2684_28537232.1196226494358 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline I'll do you one better...

        I haven't turned on my rack of gear in about two years.  Instead I've been playing flamenco, just me and my guitar.  There's something beautiful in the simplicity of fingers moving strings, strings moving wood, wood moving air.

        I still like hanging around here listening to you folks grip about gear, though. ;)

        Todd


        On Nov 28, 2007 12:00 AM, Krispen Hartung < khartung@cableone.net> wrote:
        It's liberating isn't it?  For the last month, I have been looping with just my clean jazz guitar sound, and my max/msp looper. I have been concentrating on what I can do with just my instrument without the aid of tone mangling effects, just the tone of the guitar and the power of the looper and its features. It occured to me how easy it is (at least for me) to make decent sounding music with loads of effects as a artistic crutch...a few lush ambient fripp like patches, some long delays and modulation, granular synthesis, layers of effects and pitch, etc. After a while, my primary instrument is overshadowed, the love of my music life that has been with me for  28 years. I find it much more interesting and challenging to work with just my guitar tone now, and see what limits I can push, what boundaries I can leap without the aid of the all so seductive tone mangling effect crutch.  :)  We'll see where this goes....

        Kris
         
        ----- Original Message -----
         

        wow, so many good threads at the moment.
         
        I would totally agree, adding in more loopers, then a handsonic, then a guitar synth, then loosing two multi fx for six pedals....i only realised yesterday i ha`nt played a single one of my songs through to completion for litterally two months,thats just how caught up i am in all the possibilities of all this new gear (plus i am learning to hand drum which is a whole new game)
         
        in the end i went out last night with nothing more then my guitar and DL4 and couldnt had a more fun night...i actually played songs!!!!!!
         
        Phill MyOneManBand
         
        www.myspace.com/myonemanband
         

        > If we can get used to compartmentalizing those roles into their
        > chosen times, I think we could be much happier overall. That means
        > dedicating scheduled time to building and tweeking all the bugs out
        > of a setup until it works just how it's supposed to. Then WALK AWAY
        > AND LEAVE IT ALONE. Later, come back and work on mastering making
        > good music on that setup. If something goes wrong, make a note but
        > leave it until the next build slot comes up.

        >


        Are you the Quizmaster? Play BrainBattle with a friend now!

        ------=_Part_2684_28537232.1196226494358-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 28 05:27:51 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3E38C3BEDA; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 05:27:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <007101c8317f$6a804d20$6401a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Facebook Pages for Musicians Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 22:27:48 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/related; type="multipart/alternative"; boundary="=_MAILPROV.cableone.net-20936-1196227670-0001-2" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76702 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 05:27:51 +0000 (UTC) This is a MIME-formatted message. If you see this text it means that your E-mail software does not support MIME-formatted messages. --=_MAILPROV.cableone.net-20936-1196227670-0001-2 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=_MAILPROV.cableone.net-20936-1196227670-0001-3" This is a MIME-formatted message. If you see this text it means that your E-mail software does not support MIME-formatted messages. --=_MAILPROV.cableone.net-20936-1196227670-0001-3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Well, as if the ten billion other musician pages on the internet aren't = enough, Facebook now has musician pages. Maybe you knew this already. In = any event, I was compelled to squander yet another 2 hours creating a = page with all my photos, sound clips, CD links, bio, etc. For you maniacal collector of band pages and networks: = http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=3D7650447399 Cheers, Kris Krispen Hartung http://www.krispenhartung.com info@krispenhartung.com --=_MAILPROV.cableone.net-20936-1196227670-0001-3 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
        Well, as if the ten billion other = musician pages on=20 the internet aren't enough, Facebook now has musician pages. Maybe you = knew this=20 already. In any event, I was compelled to squander yet another 2 hours = creating=20 a page with all my photos, sound clips, CD links, bio, etc.
         
        For you maniacal collector of band = pages and=20 networks: http://www.f= acebook.com/profile.php?id=3D7650447399
         
         
        Cheers,
         
        Kris
         
         

        Krispen = Hartung
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        info@krispenhartung.com

         

         

         

         

         

         

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You've got some superb percussive grooves going on. I = particularly like Bridge to Infinity. Thanks for your own benevolence = in sharing! Regards, Ken ----- Original Message -----=20 From: chuck silva=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2007 5:20 PM Subject: Help finding other musicians Can anyone one of you benevolent loopers out there suggest forums = where I might find other quality musicians for possible collaboration or = interesting music? You know. Other interesting and unique quality = forums? Peace. Chuck Silva http://www.myspace.com/chucksilva=20 ----- Original Message ---- From: Glenn Poorman To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" = Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2007 10:30:30 AM Subject: RE: Help - looking for a unique kind of effect Not a food pedal but the TC Electronic D-TWO (rack mounted dedicated = delay) has a chorus that can be applied to only the delay signal. Glenn -----Original Message----- From: Travis Hartnett [mailto:travishartnett@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2007 10:26 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Help - looking for a unique kind of effect Are you looking for something that registers as actual pitch bending (significant bending), or just modulated delay repeats a la the Memory Man Deluxe? On Nov 27, 2007 2:15 AM, wrote: > > Hi - perhaps you guys can help me?? I'm looking for a delay = footpedal that > > can also bend pitch at the same time. That is, as the slaps = happen, their > > picti is being altered up and down a little... as would happen = with a > > chorus. I need at least 500ms of delay. -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- Be a better pen pal. Text or chat with friends inside Yahoo! Mail. See = how. ------=_NextPart_000_008A_01C83146.289AE250 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
        Hi Chuck,
         
        I checked out your myspace page, and I = gotta tell=20 you, I really liked your stuff.  You've got some superb = percussive=20 grooves going on.  I particularly like Bridge to = Infinity. =20 Thanks for your own benevolence in sharing!
         
        Regards,
        Ken
        ----- Original Message -----
        From:=20 chuck=20 silva
        To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
        Sent: Tuesday, November 27, = 2007 5:20=20 PM
        Subject: Help finding other=20 musicians

        Can=20 anyone one of you benevolent loopers out there suggest forums where I = might=20 find other quality musicians for possible collaboration or interesting = music?=20 You know. Other interesting and unique quality = forums?

        Peace.
         
        Chuck Silva
        http://www.myspace.com/chucksilva


        -----=20 Original Message ----
        From: Glenn Poorman <glenn.poorman@autodesk.com= >
        To:=20 "Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com"=20 <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
        Sent: Tuesday, November = 27,=20 2007 10:30:30 AM
        Subject: RE: Help - looking for a unique kind of=20 effect

        Not a food pedal but the TC Electronic D-TWO (rack = mounted=20 dedicated delay)
        has a chorus that can be applied to only the delay = signal.

        Glenn

        -----Original Message-----
        From: Travis = Hartnett [mailto:travishartnett@gmail.com]=
        Sent:=20 Tuesday, November 27, 2007 10:26 AM
        To: Loopers-Delight@lo= opers-delight.com
        Subject:=20 Re: Help - looking for a unique kind of effect

        Are you looking = for=20 something that registers as actual pitch bending
        (significant = bending), or=20 just modulated delay repeats a la the Memory
        Man Deluxe?

        On = Nov 27,=20 2007 2:15 AM,  <rs@moinlabs.de> = wrote:
        > > Hi=20 - perhaps you guys can help me?? I'm looking for a delay footpedal=20 that
        > > can also bend pitch at the same time.  That is, = as the=20 slaps happen, their
        > > picti is being altered up and down a=20 little... as would happen with a
        > > chorus.  I need at = least=20 500ms of delay.



        Be a better pen pal. Text or chat with friends inside Yahoo! Mail. See=20 how. ------=_NextPart_000_008A_01C83146.289AE250-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 28 07:03:16 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 014BA3BEC1; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 07:03:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-priority:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; bh=lJLFM1EiG2RfjEl5XFDQjRG0q7TLhsCn5DSjamfnr8M=; b=dpFZHrE4tn8EESYVUBrTxohRafHmgTHg1JiK+0FWa2NcahgpfnJQvthVLUxB5cGgc6qAb0uZSDXN1oLLq9PMlQl8ASeMsJPm5j8ebHL5V/Z+2SiA0FpK8fSB+u3l/7RoR3EQUiqdhrFU9fAueqgP9B6qy95iKIXsMqzfKwVTiw8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=received:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-priority:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=eLz6OWHXkbJGEoB/YB7vc+X1BYCrXZf4I6A+jXdMmvunV2dwtRli56Ldsd8EbCVNrQA2cs8fU9VTMz5cceJ58raxmp2S5ImMzFexGfoVKe9lThG/oTpbM/l5TFIRju4YugQfHYOv6nVL+Hw/Uoeqo1Xrq+jhrikL2rbu+4eCN7w= In-Reply-To: <007101c8317f$6a804d20$6401a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> References: <007101c8317f$6a804d20$6401a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Facebook Pages for Musicians Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 08:03:09 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76704 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 07:03:15 +0000 (UTC) On 28 nov 2007, at 06.27, Krispen Hartung wrote: > For you maniacal collector of band pages and networks: http:// > www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=7650447399 Nice! Mine is at http://www.ilike.com/artist/Per+Boysen It seems they were a bit too busy setting up the system though, because there exists many different types of aritst pages. The idea with iLike is to work around the limit of 3000 friends (!) of the Facbook system. With an artist page at Facebook a band can not have more than 3000 linked fans so the same owner launched this iLike system. An individual Facebook pages is linked to the same person's iLike page - they share the friends/fan base. It seems the system is not yet very active. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://www.youtube.com/pellibox (gritty) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 28 07:24:22 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 228F63BECD; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 07:24:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:content-transfer-encoding:message-id:content-type:to:from:subject:date:x-mailer; bh=B4IRA98jffFJLUJ0esX2Z0Y5Ga4AU123PTU+kuxiEhc=; b=ugfBewiO3ej3GI75b0RvJgL12XfFzIYWBvFLSpq5k7YVdsfXu3D6xqv0C4LpSo7po8pIF+kaCYpC7UFYG4i5YayajFWPWaS19DFvXEi0/2HEuySlqOmQ/0Iycl/9OG9D6nUchs0nmzawvI6OWSd/yOzT6ffDm4kxoF73H5iPih8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=received:mime-version:content-transfer-encoding:message-id:content-type:to:from:subject:date:x-mailer; b=FSu3z0RyJYAFyPh1ud8SyElStwoDl9ONxi+XUDo+dz5rvUC3EBuqw6eRSkD43YxNNDrZqCxNX8Kyt9nD5cII3z9iiyqLxrzOTzG/S626gPt6Szev9e2cTaY2ITI/cNvAqhtfzcsRnOenBDTgiFJDMtMAjkIkpHKs50jpGIKGOfE= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <615F3AFB-B4FF-485E-A94E-27D9CB121AD9@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed To: Loopers From: Per Boysen Subject: Virtual Lo Fi Lazer live album shared - "computers to boost creativity" ;-) Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 08:24:14 +0100 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76705 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 07:24:22 +0000 (UTC) Hi, If anyone should be interested in improvised live looping in a noisy context we just uploaded an hours live recording of Lo Fi Lazer: http://www.jamendo.com/en/album/13679/ It's a duo. We both play flute, C and G tuned. My partner Tryggve also plays lots of electric devices he has built out of disembodied Walkmans, FM radios etc. He has a table full of bare bone electric gadgets. Mostly he creates his tone by touching naked parts of electric leaders with his fingers. A laptop with Mobius is also in his pile of trash. On my side I eventually put down the flute for fretless guitar or EWI wind controller. I'm also using a laptop with Mobius looper and tone shaping software. We did set up a stereo mic to record what happened. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://www.youtube.com/pellibox (gritty) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 28 07:45:22 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A75D23BED6; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 07:45:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=Y3/OMLoPVBVh7Z/UnSmgqMYNiPMD/bwfop61aUasa7YtzTNZ+h/hy+bdi2Dry72o; h=Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:To:Subject:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Message-ID: <8360360.1196235921885.JavaMail.root@elwamui-hound.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 23:45:21 -0800 (GMT-08:00) From: stanitarium@earthlink.net Reply-To: stanitarium@earthlink.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Facebook Pages for Musicians Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: EarthLink Zoo Mail 1.0 X-ELNK-Trace: e4eaaa48e0468cfae77aa5cb369a9f3f9ef193a6bfc3dd48af926d57251163007f656b34dd28b982547562a158a8cca8350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.224.34 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76706 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 07:45:22 +0000 (UTC) Kris-great page and how do you do that swirlee image? that is just too cool. s -----Original Message----- >From: Krispen Hartung >Sent: Nov 27, 2007 9:27 PM >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Facebook Pages for Musicians > >Well, as if the ten billion other musician pages on the internet aren't enough, Facebook now has musician pages. Maybe you knew this already. In any event, I was compelled to squander yet another 2 hours creating a page with all my photos, sound clips, CD links, bio, etc. > >For you maniacal collector of band pages and networks: http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=7650447399 > > >Cheers, > >Kris > > >Krispen Hartung >http://www.krispenhartung.com >info@krispenhartung.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 28 08:03:02 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C13C43BED8; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 08:03:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <474BD0A7.2090106@tiscali.co.uk> References: <474A63F7.4060809@minds-eye.org> <000301c82ff5$30f7d360$bdbf5548@hppav> <474BD0A7.2090106@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 02:02:52 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Mech Subject: Re: Help - looking for a unique kind of effect Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76707 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 08:03:02 +0000 (UTC) At 8:09 AM +0000 11/27/07, andy butler wrote: >David Kirkdorffer wrote: >>Hi - perhaps you guys can help me?? I'm looking for a delay footpedal that >>can also bend pitch at the same time. That is, as the slaps happen, their >>picti is being altered up and down a little... as would happen with a >>chorus. I need at least 500ms of delay. > >Lexicon Vortex. >..or does it have to be a stomp box? If we're looking at something as, erm, "interesting" as the Vortex, take a look around for an old ADA Pitchtraq pitch shifter. Yeah, it only does the shift, but the interesting thing is that it has an insert jack in the back that'll let you patch in any other unit between each feedback loop. So, the effect you're looking for is essentially a delay unit inserted into the loop: shift --> delay --> shift again --> delay --> shift again, etc., etc. The Pitchtraq enables you to use anything with a quarter inch jack inserted into the feedback loop. This can be a delay, another pitch shifter (you can get some cool stair-stepping by setting the Pitchtraq and delay to shift up one interval, for instance, while setting the other shifter to step back down by a different interval, and vice-versa), reverb, multi-effects... heck, you name it. FWIW, I've a couple of Pitchtraqs (I've keep two configured for dual mono) that I've married to an old Digitech DSP-128, and gotten some of the thickest choruses ever by crossfeeding the reverb/delay programs with only a few cents of shift. Again, not a footpedal, but definitely fun.... --m. (p.s. looks like the Boss PS-3 will indeed only do semi-tone shifts with the delay, so that one is probably out. sorry.) -- _____ "bye-bye empire; empire, bye-bye" From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 28 08:14:53 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CFE2B3BEC7; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 08:14:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=/ogBUzL9bn84MLgNeQqF1uTJZBRpg+EJ1UnvMGpkCV8=; b=rSdN5Yo9TWljKuV9EPXyh4vFXY71NGUqjLFHZJ8kvx9acki3gi7YqWJh7mCFBJ9rei9ZjZyImh76fSIOS5tVw1JsGC3tkSFMSXu38dsp6aRVGHP8wPYI9bS+TwKKanScuw8c6HvDVG+nkuJ7a3iaqZHNbE4LLEA5I02d5sIZ9Es= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=HZvWIrl3xV2sRN/9o8PXBC4iycA1KKMWU74hsRBHargGqcbS2g78UGUws5feXFycvJLXhYbn4mgraK3Yr/LKjhbH02XU/0qZf5H5RxGzJvRjSUGzFm7kY5abAhZCmtphoQQPdBS0biJNL7fOgZjUw+ML7p0uq1XmVtEbMLdPtfg= Message-ID: Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 23:46:08 -0800 From: "Travis Hartnett" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Facebook Pages for Musicians In-Reply-To: <007101c8317f$6a804d20$6401a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <007101c8317f$6a804d20$6401a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76708 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 08:14:53 +0000 (UTC) Doesn't Facebook require that you upload a scan of a photo ID to activate your page? On Nov 27, 2007 9:27 PM, Krispen Hartung wrote: > > > Well, as if the ten billion other musician pages on the internet aren't > enough, Facebook now has musician pages. Maybe you knew this already. In any > event, I was compelled to squander yet another 2 hours creating a page with > all my photos, sound clips, CD links, bio, etc. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 28 08:51:05 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 533533BED8; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 08:51:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; bh=vb0irGfIjmkIsQK2UsZTHtrLH8GVkWVl8ZRKsh/f9wI=; b=HZfOI/UiPGF8vG1OwnN6wowp21fOa+RAadP+qv1bEgUyp3U8OCvlPRlWAnouVkNRW8h6sgDG32e79ON5Qr89AgI6xPKwcr7eOkkyND3okABulVcJD7T71MZvLs4e9iK8fZHUJxkpTswYWSwYt4t6lP2iVduHuTpgP5JfsIpdKRQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=Go36Ozuth7nrxjj089xtSJ/Ey5D1DtoPayxBLz/2i7IihJ1cP7WjFSBOJ0OsgwLhmpJq8nOYuNlVqflIhLLjGQ1/V8ZGF1jJdIpACZJfND1dWkBaWrrK0S+zPWcJKXcFhRf6cK3KlIcF3HhWI6D5n1f0HXRgnV9NkTr44UnBY7w= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: References: <007101c8317f$6a804d20$6401a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Facebook Pages for Musicians Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 09:43:56 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: <5-5o_D.A.UTF.5vSTHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76709 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 08:51:05 +0000 (UTC) On 28 nov 2007, at 08.46, Travis Hartnett wrote: > Doesn't Facebook require that you upload a scan of a photo ID to > activate your page? No. You register with your e-mail address and a password you make up. Be sure to register the correct type of page though, there are many sorts; private, musician, product... etc etc Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://www.youtube.com/pellibox (gritty) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 28 09:50:20 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AFEBB3BEDA; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 09:50:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.co.uk; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=eXKFH9tARLXBdNTcZLjwUw+yAri48lglZcRHGJQfoy/40ghDLcIJTxHimC0IZ3p5Gna+ikFGcBEHg5JAxcS4OK+mXzB2rz7ligAoRhHjvC0BfoCdmzWKp6pEtIFWVsWuSWmceb9kbEfr4Or2hEH8cajw6tSQIg2wPre8c37Ae34=; X-YMail-OSG: PPVhc_IVM1mkqkvFYU_Ykv6lYU9HywXfwPUD9J8UA0hfvwptYnrSz7MQAlfEhPRsJ8UOF8Cay2AFvUsUN4LC0SGfITs7dJ8VXuyWgBwK_UaGUx9A5Hfb26Ohk.c- Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 09:50:18 +0000 (GMT) From: Stuart Masters Subject: Re: Boss RC50 assignable outputs To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20071126233204.84130@gmx.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-594379992-1196243418=:72985" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <735750.72985.qm@web26315.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76710 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 09:50:20 +0000 (UTC) --0-594379992-1196243418=:72985 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Thanks, Buzap, that's really helpful. I'll try that and I think I might also try line selctors on both instrument and mic, and send them either to the RC50 or as a 'clean' signal to the front of house. Then use a third signal for the RC50. Thanks again, Stuart Buzap Buzap wrote: Hi Stuart the RC-50 has 2 Main Outputs + 2 Aux Outputs. I have used them in different ways in the past: 1.) Link the Aux Outputs with the Aux Inputs (Adapter cable) This is my standard setting. I use this for feedback/multiply like tricks. 2.) You are more flexible when you route the Aux Outs back as a stereo channel in a mixer. Then, you can i.e. send the Aux Outs to an effect box and loop the wet signal. I.e. you can put the bass line on a PHRASE (loop) and route it through Aux Out. Then you can run it through a Phaser/Filter and modify the sound... 3.) I have used the RC-50 with four different speakers in four corners. You can play the sound in various positions, i.e. the four corners are: - Main Hard Left/Hard Right - Aux Hard Left/Hard Right The four "centers" are: - Main L/R center - Main+Aux Hard Left/Right - Aux L/R center So, the last option 3.) would be something you could use with your setting. There are two possiblities. A.) Looping in Multi-mode: - Make sure you are in Multi-mode - Make sure Rhythm Knob is turned off - Make sure All Phrases have Tempo Sync activated - You probably want to turn off Loop Sync - Plug your Guitar to Instrument Input Left - Send PHRASE 1 Output to Main Out - Connect your Guitar Amp to Main Out Left - Plug your Mic to Mic Input - Send PHRASE 2 Output to Aux Out - Connect your PA with the Aux Output You should make sure to - Send PHRASE 2 Output to Now you can loop your Guitar on PHRASE 1 and your Mic on PHRASE 2. For PHRASE 3, you can assign Guitar/Mic, however you like. B.) Looping in Single-mode (Mono only!): - Make sure Recording Mode is Stereo (yes, stereo ;-) - Make sure you are in Single-mode - Make sure Rhyhtm Knob is turned off - Make sure All three Phrases have Tempo Sync turned off - You can decide if all your loops should have same length (Loop Sync) - Plug your Guitar to Instument Input Left - Use a Preamp on your Mic (i.e. small Art Tube Preamp) - Send preamped Mic signal to Instrument Input Right (NOTE: I don't know if you can pan the Microphone Input actually???... I've never used it - if you can Pan Mic to hard right, you can skip the preamp) - Connect your Guitar Amp to Main Out Left - Connect your Main Out Right to your Mixer/PA This is the most care-free configuration. Because you can use/combine guitar/mic on any loop without worrying about the signal. Have fun! Buzap -- Psssst! Schon vom neuen GMX MultiMessenger gehört? Der kann`s mit allen: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/multimessenger --------------------------------- Yahoo! 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        Thanks, Buzap, that's really helpful. I'll try that and I think I might also try line selctors on both instrument and mic, and send them either to the RC50 or as a 'clean' signal to the front of house. Then use a third signal for the RC50.
         
        Thanks again,
         
        Stuart
         


        Buzap Buzap <buzap@gmx.net> wrote:
        Hi Stuart

        the RC-50 has 2 Main Outputs + 2 Aux Outputs. I have used them in different ways in the past:

        1.) Link the Aux Outputs with the Aux Inputs (Adapter cable)
        This is my standard setting. I use this for feedback/multiply like tricks.

        2.) You are more flexible when you route the Aux Outs back as a stereo channel in a mixer. Then, you can i.e. send the Aux Outs to an effect box and loop the wet signal.
        I.e. you can put the bass line on a PHRASE (loop) and route it through Aux Out. Then you can run it through a Phaser/Filter and modify the sound...

        3.) I have used the RC-50 with four different speakers in four corners. You can play the sound in various positions, i.e. the four corners are:
        - Main Hard Left/Hard Right
        - Aux Hard Left/Hard Right
        The four "centers" are:
        - Main L/R center
        - Main+Aux Hard Left/Right
        - Aux L/R center


        So, the last option 3.) would be something you could use with your setting. There are two possiblities.

        A.) Looping in Multi-mode:
        - Make sure you are in Multi-mode
        - Make sure Rhythm Knob is turned off
        - Make sure All Phrases have Tempo Sync activated
        - You probably want to turn off Loop Sync
        - Plug your Guitar to Instrument Input Left
        - Send PHRASE 1 Output to Main Out
        - Connect your Guitar Amp to Main Out Left
        - Plug your Mic to Mic Input
        - Send PHRASE 2 Output to Aux Out
        - Connect your PA with the Aux Output
        You should make sure to
        - Send PHRASE 2 Output to
        Now you can loop your Guitar on PHRASE 1 and your Mic on PHRASE 2. For PHRASE 3, you can assign Guitar/Mic, however you like.

        B.) Looping in Single-mode (Mono only!):
        - Make sure Recording Mode is Stereo (yes, stereo ;-)
        - Make sure you are in Single-mode
        - Make sure Rhyhtm Knob is turned off
        - Make sure All three Phrases have Tempo Sync turned off
        - You can decide if all your loops should have same length (Loop Sync)
        - Plug your Guitar to Instument Input Left
        - Use a Preamp on your Mic (i.e. small Art Tube Preamp)
        - Send preamped Mic signal to Instrument Input Right
        (NOTE: I don't know if you can pan the Microphone Input actually???... I've never used it - if you can Pan Mic to hard right, you can skip the preamp)
        - Connect your Guitar Amp to Main Out Left
        - Connect your Main Out Right to your Mixer/PA
        This is the most care-free configuration. Because you can use/combine guitar/mic on any loop without worrying about the signal.

        Have fun!
        Buzap


        --
        Psssst! Schon vom neuen GMX MultiMessenger gehört?
        Der kann`s mit allen: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/multimessenger


        Yahoo! Answers - Get better answers from someone who knows. Try it now. --0-594379992-1196243418=:72985-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 28 13:13:06 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1F9CE3BEC7; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 13:13:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=OOzo5lvO1X2oC3e90KT4IfkZnTqlPUKpLqgC+cN99os=; b=QKYyvs0Ai+7fdi7acbUzbaccNR0GyunNNgGrJkA1DNDUm1z14OYJlfap/hGIhwESMO7ba1DsWsatqlFh9OT01NmTzFPwXX+WSyqBlLJGEw7G7tM9hcOGUirvRmafVEIk/JMzqkiFFIrI1s+DEWI9w/Hjs93/bCycvsBX5AnoE/k= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=b1TwzKixGcOWU5BRth/5hV5uMb3721T0rvJ6OC+jdny07hGMJ+3HRPcw8ZlcUeLcZz0qHs2fgPDAYE3IKhl2YuMe+8yMxBcxtoPMAvYSxKTXKFyKP5mXtdMmiEYU7StKN53DblVO6nFipB80R3AvT2bLDmfLFJq+iA+6EQ9TdrU= Message-ID: Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 14:13:03 +0100 From: "Raul Bonell" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Virtual Lo Fi Lazer live album shared - "computers to boost creativity" ;-) In-Reply-To: <615F3AFB-B4FF-485E-A94E-27D9CB121AD9@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_6105_4876357.1196255583923" References: <615F3AFB-B4FF-485E-A94E-27D9CB121AD9@gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76711 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 13:13:05 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_6105_4876357.1196255583923 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline first quick listening. nice contemporary sound ... hei guys, have you tried to jump to that level, i mean, trying to enroll in some serious contemporary festivals? the glitchy work by tryggve, which i supose is played live, is amazing... need more... continue listening. R. 2007/11/28, Per Boysen : > > Hi, > > If anyone should be interested in improvised live looping in a noisy > context we just uploaded an hours live recording of Lo Fi Lazer: > http://www.jamendo.com/en/album/13679/ > > It's a duo. We both play flute, C and G tuned. My partner Tryggve > also plays lots of electric devices he has built out of disembodied > Walkmans, FM radios etc. He has a table full of bare bone electric > gadgets. Mostly he creates his tone by touching naked parts of > electric leaders with his fingers. A laptop with Mobius is also in > his pile of trash. On my side I eventually put down the flute for > fretless guitar or EWI wind controller. I'm also using a laptop with > Mobius looper and tone shaping software. We did set up a stereo mic > to record what happened. > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > www.looproom.com (international) > http://www.youtube.com/pellibox (gritty) > > > > > -- The Playing Orchestra: http://www.telefonica.net/web2/tpo Chain Tape Collective: http://www.ct-collective.com TPO at myspace: http://www.myspace.com/theplayingorchestra ------=_Part_6105_4876357.1196255583923 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline first quick listening.
        nice contemporary sound ...

        hei guys, have you tried to jump to
        that level, i mean, trying to enroll
        in some serious contemporary festivals?

        the glitchy work by tryggve, which i supose is played live,
        is amazing...

        need more... continue listening.

        R.




        2007/11/28, Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com>:
        Hi,

        If anyone should be interested in improvised live looping in a noisy
        context we just uploaded an hours live recording of Lo Fi Lazer:
        http://www.jamendo.com/en/album/13679/

        It's a duo. We both play flute, C and G tuned. My partner Tryggve
        also plays lots of electric devices he has built out of disembodied
        Walkmans, FM radios etc. He has a table full of bare bone electric
        gadgets. Mostly he creates his tone by touching naked parts of
        electric leaders with his fingers. A laptop with Mobius is also in
        his pile of trash. On my side I eventually put down the flute for
        fretless guitar or EWI wind controller. I'm also using a laptop with
        Mobius looper and tone shaping software. We did set up a stereo mic
        to record what happened.

        Greetings from Sweden

        Per Boysen
        www.boysen.se (Swedish)
        www.looproom.com (international)
        http://www.youtube.com/pellibox (gritty)







        --
        The Playing Orchestra: http://www.telefonica.net/web2/tpo
        Chain Tape Collective: http://www.ct-collective.com
        TPO at myspace: http://www.myspace.com/theplayingorchestra ------=_Part_6105_4876357.1196255583923-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 28 13:27:32 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 42DA23BEDC; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 13:27:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-SBRS: None X-SenderGroup: RELAYLIST X-MailFlowPolicy: $RELAYED X-MID: 698200533 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE:peater as master clock (was EH SMM w/ Hazari) Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 13:27:29 -0000 Message-ID: <1BB076E4C332F9469148F41725F17A720647B9BD@MTVNE-EXCLUST02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> In-Reply-To: <000a01c83059$3d8973e0$1001a8c0@succubus> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: RE:peater as master clock (was EH SMM w/ Hazari) Thread-Index: AcgxwmyGY98P2jdETaezzbaDQjJfVg== References: <000a01c83059$3d8973e0$1001a8c0@succubus> From: "Goddard, Duncan" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Nov 2007 13:27:29.0755 (UTC) FILETIME=[6CB92AB0:01C831C2] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76712 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 13:27:32 +0000 (UTC) > these days, the repeater is the master clock for the entire rig=20 > (hardware sequencers x2, the jamman, midi clocked delays & so on). Do you use software v2? Did their improvement on clock stability work?<< the only glitches I've heard are when using the master reverse (so all 4 tracks at once); this seems to interrupt the outgoing midi clock for a couple of ticks. using the new one-track-at-a-time reverse doesn't seem to hurt the clock the same way. the clock is as stable as anything else I've used as a master, & the lexicon jamman & doepfer maq that slave to it seem happy enough.=20 it's probably something else causing this (like my p3 midi sequencer, which sits in amongst all this as a slave), but the clock isn't reaching my proteus modules & I have to set their echo times manually. d. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 28 13:31:20 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 583073BEDB; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 13:31:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com In-Reply-To: <003e01c8317b$8ce7d080$6401a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> References: <86783.9999.qm@web35110.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <20071114114223.t6ckosxc8408888c@69.89.21.76> <003e01c8317b$8ce7d080$6401a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1-1053625690 Message-Id: <1A3231C7-3C40-489F-89DB-8EAE773DEC11@mac.com> From: Chris Sewell Subject: Re: computers suck creative energy Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 08:31:14 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76713 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 13:31:20 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-1-1053625690 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Why not balance the two. I play mostly solo acoustic stuff with a Laptop setup, but all the options are there. Clearly for commercial purposes I cant play ambient drone music and expect to be asked back. But, gigs have a flow. Later in sets, Ill play songs with improvised sections. This is where the elements of the ambient/experimental techniques come in. Similar to a long Jam by a band. For instance, In "Girlfriend is Better" by the Talking Heads, I will lay down slow panning pads, Delays and Filters, then slowly build the arrangement to where there is an almost electronic groove going on. Done right it brings the house down. I love what all the hardcore loopers do here, but for the average audience member its unlistenable( Please, no offense meant). But why not take elements and techniques they developed and place them in more accessible music. That to me is where laptops excel. Plus the size of the rig is greatly diminished. C On Nov 28, 2007, at 12:00 AM, Krispen Hartung wrote: > It's liberating isn't it? For the last month, I have been looping > with just my clean jazz guitar sound, and my max/msp looper. I have > been concentrating on what I can do with just my instrument without > the aid of tone mangling effects, just the tone of the guitar and > the power of the looper and its features. It occured to me how easy > it is (at least for me) to make decent sounding music with loads of > effects as a artistic crutch...a few lush ambient fripp like > patches, some long delays and modulation, granular synthesis, > layers of effects and pitch, etc. After a while, my primary > instrument is overshadowed, the love of my music life that has been > with me for 28 years. I find it much more interesting and > challenging to work with just my guitar tone now, and see what > limits I can push, what boundaries I can leap without the aid of > the all so seductive tone mangling effect crutch. :) We'll see > where this goes.... > > Kris > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > wow, so many good threads at the moment. > > I would totally agree, adding in more loopers, then a handsonic, > then a guitar synth, then loosing two multi fx for six pedals....i > only realised yesterday i ha`nt played a single one of my songs > through to completion for litterally two months,thats just how > caught up i am in all the possibilities of all this new gear (plus > i am learning to hand drum which is a whole new game) > > in the end i went out last night with nothing more then my guitar > and DL4 and couldnt had a more fun night...i actually played > songs!!!!!! > > Phill MyOneManBand > > www.myspace.com/myonemanband > > > > If we can get used to compartmentalizing those roles into their > > chosen times, I think we could be much happier overall. That means > > dedicating scheduled time to building and tweeking all the bugs out > > of a setup until it works just how it's supposed to. Then WALK AWAY > > AND LEAVE IT ALONE. Later, come back and work on mastering making > > good music on that setup. If something goes wrong, make a note but > > leave it until the next build slot comes up. > > > > > > Are you the Quizmaster? Play BrainBattle with a friend now! --Apple-Mail-1-1053625690 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Why not balance the two. I play = mostly solo acoustic stuff with a Laptop setup, but all the options are = there. Clearly for commercial purposes I cant play ambient drone music = and expect to be asked back. But, gigs have a flow. Later in sets, Ill = play songs with improvised sections. This is where the elements of the = ambient/experimental techniques come in. Similar to a long Jam by a = band. For instance, In "Girlfriend is Better" by the Talking Heads, I = will lay down slow panning pads, Delays and Filters, then slowly build = the arrangement to where there is an almost electronic groove going on. = Done right it brings the house down.=A0
        I love what all the hardcore = loopers do here, but for the average audience member its unlistenable( = Please, no offense meant). But why not take elements and techniques they = developed and place them in more accessible music. That to me is where = laptops excel. Plus the size of the rig is greatly = diminished.=A0
        C
        On Nov 28, 2007, at 12:00 AM, = Krispen Hartung wrote:

        It's = liberating isn't it?=A0 For the last month, I have been looping with = just my clean jazz guitar sound, and my max/msp looper. I have been = concentrating on what I can do with just my instrument without the aid = of tone mangling effects, just the tone of the guitar and the power of = the looper and its features. It occured to me how easy it is (at least = for me)=A0to make decent sounding music with=A0loads of effects as a = artistic crutch...a few lush ambient fripp like patches, some long = delays and modulation, granular synthesis, layers of effects and pitch, = etc. After=A0a while,=A0my primary instrument=A0is overshadowed, the = love of my=A0music life that has been with me for =A028 years. I find it = much more interesting and challenging to work with just my guitar tone = now, and see what limits I can push, what boundaries I can leap without = the aid of the all so seductive tone mangling=A0effect crutch.=A0 :)=A0 = We'll see where this goes....

        Kris
        =A0
        ----- Original Message = -----
        =A0

        wow, so = many good threads at the moment.
        =A0
        I would totally agree, adding = in more loopers, then a handsonic, then a guitar synth, then loosing two = multi fx for six pedals....i only realised yesterday i ha`nt played a = single one of my songs through to completion for litterally two = months,thats just how caught up i am in all the possibilities of all = this new gear (plus i am learning to hand drum which is a whole new = game)
        =A0
        in the end i went out last night with nothing more then = my guitar and DL4 and couldnt had a more fun night...i actually played = songs!!!!!!
        =A0
        Phill MyOneManBand
        =A0
        www.myspace.com/myonemanband<= /a>=A0
        =A0

        > = If we can get used to compartmentalizing those roles into their=A0
        > chosen times, I think = we could be much happier overall. That means=A0
        > dedicating scheduled = time to building and tweeking all the bugs out=A0
        > of a setup until it = works just how it's supposed to. Then WALK AWAY=A0
        > AND LEAVE IT ALONE. = Later, come back and work on mastering making=A0
        > good music on that = setup. If something goes wrong, make a note but=A0
        > leave it until the = next build slot comes up.

        >=A0


        Are you the = Quizmaster?=A0        Play = BrainBattle with a friend = now!

        = --Apple-Mail-1-1053625690-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 28 13:49:59 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B30C53BEDA; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 13:49:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "nick@12testing.net" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 13:49:57 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: facebook? Reply-To: nick@12testing.net Message-ID: <474D7205.17512.107D031@nick.12testing.net> Priority: normal In-reply-to: <20071128133121.6C8463BEE0@arsenic.violacea.com> References: <20071128133121.6C8463BEE0@arsenic.violacea.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.41) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76714 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 13:49:59 +0000 (UTC) I've got a standard facebook page but can see no way to convert it to a music pgae ;( From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 28 14:01:51 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BEA383BEDD; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 14:01:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 08:58:55 -0500 From: Bill Fox Subject: Galactic Travels Playlist #556 for November 22, 2007 To: undisclosed-recipients: ; Message-id: <474D741F.8070604@soundscapes.us> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.12 (Windows/20070509) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76715 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 14:01:51 +0000 (UTC) http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2007/071122.html Galactic Travels is an electronic, ambient, and space music show, that airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA, 93.9 FM in Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ, 93.7 FM in Fogelsville and Trexlertown, and webcasting on the internet. WDIY also broadcasts in Digital HD at 88.1 FM. Show #556 November 22, 2007 RECAP: On this show, I continued the month-long focus on Paul Ellis. The Featured CD at Midnight was "Silent Conversations" on Groove Unlimited Records. Paul Ellis: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2007/focus.html#nov PLAYLIST: 11:04 pm ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ==================== ==================== ============================== Kevin Braheny Starflight 1 * Galaxies (Hearts of Space) Volt Explosion Nuleosynthesis (Groove) ARC Fracture Fracture (DiN) Radio Massacre Enormodome Blacker (Northern Echo) International 12:00 am ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ==================== ==================== ============================== Paul Ellis The Only Known Silent Conversations (Groove) Photograph of God Paul Ellis Trillium Silent Conversations (Groove) Paul Ellis Peripheral Vision Silent Conversations (Groove) Paul Ellis The Wind-up Silent Conversations (Groove) Synthesizers of the Glass Riech Paul Ellis Trance Figure Silent Conversations (Groove) Paul Ellis Continental Drift Silent Conversations (Groove) Paul Ellis The Dumb Angel's Silent Conversations (Groove) Periscope Paul Ellis Silent Conversations Silent Conversations (Groove) Paul Ellis Dialing In the Sun Silent Conversations (Groove) 1:00 am * = excerpt VA = Various Artists (compilation) ++ = Advance CDR from Artist -- = Background music under interview NEXT SHOW: On the next Galactic Travels, I'll conclude the month-long focus on Paul Ellis. The Featured CD at Midnight will be "The Infinity Room" on Groove Unlimited Records. Bill ======================================================================= Host of Galactic Travels, an electronic, ambient, and space music show, Thursdays at 11:04 pm EDT (GMT-4:00) on WDIY 88.1 FM in Allentown and Bethlehem, 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg, and on 93.7 FM in Trexlertown and Fogelsville. WDIY also broadcasts in HD Digital Radio on 88.1 FM. Galactic Travels web site: http://galactictravels.info MySpace: http://myspace.com/galactictravels RSS News Feed: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/rss/enews.xml Podcasts: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/rss/gt.xml Listen on-line to WDIY at http://wdiy.org and click on the LISTEN link or go directly to: http://rm1.refugemedia.com/ramgen/encoder/wdiy.rm To subscribe to the galactic-travels mailing list, click on [Join This Group!] at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/galactic-travels Playlists are also published at http://billfox.blogspot.com RSS (2.0) feed from http://billfox.blogspot.com/rss.xml Atom (0.3) feed from http://billfox.blogspot.com/atom.xml From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 28 14:21:52 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0BFAE3BEDC; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 14:21:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 376 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 14:21:51 UTC DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=A2dczglz97sIFv8cVEQxgo9r2OtLFrs7Zy+jQLjfjFY=; b=hIOL+wMu3HPa1xphcwXGNPd1fnjn4mW7uQXYQDR61CvDgacojFMjzVzSyBPFpkrVu9myxIIHoaiyYXKHMZUVHzz66/5zSeKPGS9hFriGAZlGiaoElQgf/PYJwD2DLOBOfMkGeWtSnvO2eLG28wgMP/oItz50D1vf9AfH6ajUj14= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=I+hYRZX+oKhrz9pTTeFR4dm8xT+Y9Y7sa+e/DyBaRsRt3c6y4ROfO4Hy9CBxGQ7D0g4K+Q90U4JGPINr9f+Zea6rGGF8mgaVdfZTgntS6DR3iKGHb0+ESgTivP6TclJKjY68F7tRotXgeMyduVaWLQJVMJ087HbDVKKVahCQ97w= Message-ID: <4759e5740711280615rd926819o86c8f577dab62554@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 09:15:33 -0500 From: "todd reynolds" Reply-To: todd@toddreynolds.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Loopering and ambient music lecture/concert (GIG SPAM!) In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_3535_27103489.1196259333610" References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76716 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 14:21:52 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_3535_27103489.1196259333610 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Dear Dennis, I welcome your lecture and especially the second life portion! I've been wanting so much to play music there and couldn't make the nicecast thing work for myself, argh! i'll be there with bells on! just offered you friendship... I'm Kamerin Kokorin, hope you'll allow me... once again, good on ya! Todd On 11/27/07, Dennis Moser wrote: > > On Thursday, November 29th, beginning at 4:00 PM EST, I will be presenting > a FREE lecture on ambient and looping music, followed at 7:00 PM EST by a > FREE concert performance. This will take place at the Frist Campus Center > Auditorium of Princeton University in Princeton, New Jersey. (I did mention > it is FREE?!?!). > > Additional details about the event are available at this Princeton U > website: > > http://etc.princeton.edu/sl/content/view/22/ > > > ------=_Part_3535_27103489.1196259333610 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Dear Dennis, 

        I welcome your lecture and especially the second life portion! I've been wanting so much to play music there and couldn't make the nicecast thing work for myself, argh!  i'll be there with bells on!  just offered you friendship... I'm Kamerin Kokorin, hope you'll allow me...  once again, good on ya!  

        Todd


        On 11/27/07, Dennis Moser <sinsofmachaut@gmail.com > wrote:
        On Thursday, November 29th, beginning at 4:00 PM EST, I will be presenting a FREE lecture on ambient and looping music, followed at 7:00 PM EST by a FREE concert performance. This will take place at the Frist Campus Center Auditorium of Princeton University in Princeton, New Jersey. (I did mention it is FREE?!?!).

        Additional details about the event are available at this Princeton U website:
               
                        http://etc.princeton.edu/sl/content/view/22/


        ------=_Part_3535_27103489.1196259333610-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 28 14:27:58 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C685F3BEE1; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 14:27:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; bh=3O1oT79XEpBll9Bhn4f1VaEg69UQI2ACzjNIe6I4lIU=; b=YGX9UQrdNBtHS9pkwzM56UggpDkLlDykmUrixCfd+eqNvlNhlHZJwwHUHdfq0JOi7fvcAw3lQGh0WBTu8BGzpPQjvPcx69a+vOMittI5cy0MdSvtJ37ro4gexqIWjEYfpuVh2Igv2FHmKqRRhZYziskQZBgoZV2bG9b0yvdyrtk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=eiCMnTW16niaWrw7RPQBw5KX0f4KpawrAyFdydk1jvs1l2yvMwPFEWNfSrE7mRaOL5oTbpupNUVgKX39kuT+Bia18OEwTts6qq9MF3NF6HQoKmYcOtP8qOjZFSoTKjdlbQ3GvQEVV8LHaR7pybLDQwyeoXTnlrBW1y6FpVCpeyc= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: References: <615F3AFB-B4FF-485E-A94E-27D9CB121AD9@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <9EEF2B50-8021-4319-8F15-8FC7E130AC41@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Virtual Lo Fi Lazer live album shared - "computers to boost creativity" ;-) Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 15:27:41 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76717 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 14:27:58 +0000 (UTC) On 28 nov 2007, at 14.13, Raul Bonell wrote: > first quick listening. > nice contemporary sound ... > > hei guys, have you tried to jump to > that level, i mean, trying to enroll > in some serious contemporary festivals? > > the glitchy work by tryggve, which i supose is played live, > is amazing... Happy that you like the stuff. Yes, we mostly play serious festivals. But here in Sweden that noisy style is not regarded mainly "contemporary". It has been around for long time and have kind of settled as an established format. But the challenge is in trying to do it musically and with a firm content :-)) I posted a comment where I'm trying to pinpoint the background and musical scenes that leads from 1920 up to todays confusion in genre tagging: http://www.jamendo.com/en/forums/discussion/2253/ Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://www.youtube.com/pellibox (gritty) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 28 14:33:59 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0E4F63BEEE; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 14:33:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=iCNE7BrCW5AVsCW1k9qh0Yssa4oh5RYjux0DQDGRUZbp2enkh5henILhWoi/Cbbo+hUsHwLyJv7UJ8dSQepTRiNqrqP6LtUEHqboIwRnKEDI/MSnWM2RtArzSYqJ470l0nPqCZ8pseAq05ZE9tlEEh5ZEC2HSi1vqiAoj9xEc9c=; X-YMail-OSG: doaPF9IVM1l9JjxNsGWnj0bQAImtQtdEgbr2vUUr6iChUjzLW9hv9w0Rjg9J_jp6aSj_b1oEojweVNjVOYqia7Z.cylfEHTmXMy1_HFHJbWTwpxR5FQ- Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 06:33:56 -0800 (PST) From: Subject: Re: Facebook Pages for Musicians To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <007101c8317f$6a804d20$6401a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/related; boundary="0-1780214101-1196260436=:72818" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <840293.72818.qm@web34506.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76718 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 14:33:59 +0000 (UTC) --0-1780214101-1196260436=:72818 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Id: Content-Disposition: inline I too have one. However when I add musicians as a friend...it only adds me as a fan under my regular profile... annoying. so I changed my profile to look more like my musicians page. I added you by the way. Musians page: http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=6369892910 Other profile: http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=758002047 --- Krispen Hartung wrote: > Well, as if the ten billion other musician pages on > the internet aren't enough, Facebook now has > musician pages. Maybe you knew this already. In any > event, I was compelled to squander yet another 2 > hours creating a page with all my photos, sound > clips, CD links, bio, etc. > > For you maniacal collector of band pages and > networks: > http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=7650447399 > > > Cheers, > > Kris > > > Krispen Hartung > http://www.krispenhartung.com > info@krispenhartung.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > www.myspace.com/mesqua www.reverbnation.com/stevenguerrero ____________________________________________________________________________________ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs --0-1780214101-1196260436=:72818-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 28 14:56:58 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1AB773BEDA; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 14:56:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=bVdNE1UU88ZLnSyOg8Ox6lEPMWiep1VhpVhIJVxow30=; b=H2ngWeugJED7UcZYeXvbLxAl7m8KSDeJAkHOQhBH1+HiFDqlN6gSNhG4mpsqYJukW1b9ZXFQmiT4KMxdvJitzw7uFaRKNEUD/05MLphrqVlxbs6zv/6w2gamxgX+jHOVG2tTiLG5Vg0WITVZfXuCYLXvKSq3RHHFhs+Q3/kATlA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=qf3GToNiiJ5dm212pHULxOathC4rrXQZdyASGKDvNsiL/uhDjRZtzVuC5Z41gZ1KREs/8GGckhEDsSXlFxaodqnIgGp995pMaGVmE/qXkOaY6/TtSJ5joOlN0mBVdUoJmAT1Qg/nZvV2k8TkFvdW5U/yLmEt4OGxWraJ4obdHeA= Message-ID: Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 06:56:56 -0800 From: "Travis Hartnett" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Facebook Pages for Musicians In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <007101c8317f$6a804d20$6401a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76719 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 14:56:58 +0000 (UTC) I just tried to create a musician's page, and to validate the page and make it publicly viewable, they asked for a scan of a photo ID to insure that I am me. TH On Nov 28, 2007 12:43 AM, Per Boysen wrote: > On 28 nov 2007, at 08.46, Travis Hartnett wrote: > > > Doesn't Facebook require that you upload a scan of a photo ID to > > activate your page? > > No. You register with your e-mail address and a password you make up. > Be sure to register the correct type of page though, there are many > sorts; private, musician, product... etc etc > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 28 14:59:04 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1BC2B3BEF4; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 14:59:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; bh=yvxcRuIN83qWos4Ca5WqwVrf49bH/RydjcJQwBNad30=; b=yEry79+zGsrq/ufpLKUCKlI80jVYq6C45AjRdkBTYXjOGEzFnfakzkwOechA8TQlApQGNcUg/gn860geHvaUDbQ55MCfqKTWmQMlEhxvQ1FxBJNcXj0fjlo56lIoSuN+8Zr1esw7+rAmP+oel3WlFHigfz9Xytalz2majaoGysQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=PI1GROBozQj8+sHAyiGOZ5aAbR9YWRgYvu0WCDfxDoscsKIEg0sbsA3ATTONK/a8w80qItiHvqXpWSUAEiQ54DCg7SUkTRemcYklACPQZICluPoSuq6nDNH/3m4RQWk+VjxLctD0D1c7XlnoNg4Z79d3fZ9jvMjv1q4B29/XZZY= Message-ID: <4759e5740711280659h7124791ew8cb66ca35731f479@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 09:59:01 -0500 From: "todd reynolds" Reply-To: todd@toddreynolds.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Looping gig in New York this Sunday afternoon MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_3747_12300124.1196261941799" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76720 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 14:59:04 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_3747_12300124.1196261941799 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Hey friends on LD... thought I'd include the text portion of my latest newsletter, in case anyone has interest... the MUCH prettier, HTML version with links and stuff is right below... thanks for reading! best, todd Click to view this email in a browser ********************************************************************** vBrooklyn - a video festival about Brooklyn as a place and video as an artform. ********************************************************************** Brooklyn is one place I've always wanted to live. When I moved out of Manhattan, just another casualty of our cities lease-losing tradition, I chose Sunnyside as my home, greatly for affordability. What I missed in not joining my many colleagues was the richness of Brooklyn tradition and culture, there and continuing to evolve in spades. The link below goes straight to vBrooklyn's mission statement, which I found beautiful to contemplate, do check it out along with the weekend's schedule. Luke DuBois was invited to present at vBrooklyn and asked me to join him, so on Sunday afternoon, at 4 pm on Dec. 2nd, we'll be there. Satoshi Takeishi, one of New York's originals and a most revered percussion colleague and I will play together, just the two of us, for the first time as a live collaborative soundtrack for nine, count'em, NINE channels of Luke DuBois. Last New York appearance this year... 4pm, Dec. 2nd Wunsch Hall Polytechnic University, Brooklyn Six MetroTech Center Brooklyn, NY 11201 718 260-3600 A,C,F to Jay Street/Borough Hall 2,3,4,5 to Borough Hall M,R to Lawrence Street Q,B to Dekalb Avenue vBrooklyn http://cts.vresp.com/c/?ToddReynoldsMusic/54eca8fead/TEST/b985e564ea ********************************************************************** Todd's EP is, as usual, available on , and should you be interested in one of those CD things, just ask, we sell them direct to you if you reply to this email! (or at CD Baby) We send notices out approximately once a month and recognize that time and bandwidth are constantly at a premium. At any time you have control over your own newsletter subscription just below. Music is a healing art, and serves to strengthen and define community wherever it is exercised. Your listening, our creating is a circle within which is humanity thrives and is more fully-expressed. Warm and fuzzy, perhaps, dispensible, no. Thank you for supporting Live Music. And lastly, perhaps most importantly, for those going through hard times... A new favorite quote was bestowed on me, as if it was a gift, so I pass it on to you. "If you're going through Hell, keep going..." - Winston Churchill Stay in touch. Cheers. Todd -- http://www.toddreynolds.com |: http://myspace.com/toddreynoldsmusic |: ------------------------------------------------------|: 917.576.6166 todd@toddreynolds.com toddreyn@gmail.com ------=_Part_3747_12300124.1196261941799 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Hey friends on LD... thought I'd include the text portion of my latest newsletter, in case anyone has interest... 

         
        the MUCH prettier, HTML version with links and stuff is right below...  thanks for reading!  best, todd


         


         
        **********************************************************************
        vBrooklyn - a video festival about Brooklyn as a place and video as an
        artform.
        **********************************************************************
        Brooklyn is one place I've always wanted to live.  When I moved out of
        Manhattan, just another casualty of our cities lease-losing tradition,
        I chose Sunnyside as my home, greatly for affordability.  What I
        missed in not joining my many colleagues was the richness of Brooklyn
        tradition and culture, there and continuing to evolve in spades.  The
        link below goes straight to vBrooklyn's mission statement, which I
        found beautiful to contemplate, do check it out along with the
        weekend's schedule.

        Luke DuBois was invited to present at vBrooklyn and asked me to join
        him, so on Sunday afternoon, at 4 pm on Dec. 2nd, we'll be there.
        Satoshi Takeishi, one of New York's originals and a most revered
        percussion colleague and I will play together, just the two of us, for
        the first time as a live collaborative soundtrack for nine, count'em,
        NINE channels of Luke DuBois.  Last New York appearance this year...

        4pm, Dec. 2nd

        Wunsch Hall
        Polytechnic University, Brooklyn
        Six MetroTech Center
        Brooklyn, NY 11201
        718 260-3600

        A,C,F to Jay Street/Borough Hall
        2,3,4,5 to Borough Hall
        M,R to Lawrence Street
        Q,B to Dekalb Avenue

        vBrooklyn
        http://cts.vresp.com/c/?ToddReynoldsMusic/54eca8fead/TEST/b985e564ea

        **********************************************************************
        Todd's EP is, as usual, available on , and should you be interested in
        one of those CD things, just ask, we sell them direct to you if you
        reply to this email! (or at CD Baby)

        We send notices out approximately once a month and recognize that time
        and bandwidth are constantly at a premium. At any time you have
        control over your own newsletter subscription just below.

        Music is a healing art, and serves to strengthen and define community
        wherever it is exercised.  Your listening, our creating is a circle
        within which is humanity thrives and is more fully-expressed.  Warm
        and fuzzy, perhaps, dispensible, no.  Thank you for supporting Live
        Music.

        And lastly, perhaps most importantly, for those going through hard
        times...

        A new favorite quote was bestowed on me, as if it was a gift, so I
        pass it on to you.

        "If you're going through Hell, keep going..." - Winston Churchill

        Stay in touch.  Cheers.  Todd


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        917.576.6166                                              
        todd@toddreynolds.com
        toddreyn@gmail.com
        ------=_Part_3747_12300124.1196261941799-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 28 15:14:42 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0B2B93BEF8; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 15:14:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=83sfvYefzbiD1g5+m/+T1NJCsD14SO+W+MRlm0fpbTQ=; b=NLjUxG6sgfV8AawEDd9WRo9vtP/4fQYFa7ceW/C7CZTN0hplahU73b9aotQ28xIbP32nYRSyabiZyLzfw1OtQwjBLHiYO8+F3jV5qrdq1lklfXyZY3Vox2izXh5SjTz56sOn5Ue0w04ulxb50g/APrF23bsEseIOgkvEghU8Zyo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=DNsEWToy2Cc+23CSMWSkRl8iHlhd6OZDH47gblb7BUsG2e7QTagvVNnOQyiarTghTshAf7E/V0hMEkZbpNOwPAW7ezMd8RZ0+7i9MUf68v3oV8yEidypGjbkZ7gz4yl3TYjoNy+/UdTLvJBG1XnNJSRKWAynbEpdqGl3dNynQYY= Message-ID: Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 10:14:37 -0500 From: "Tony K" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Facebook Pages for Musicians In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <007101c8317f$6a804d20$6401a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76721 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 15:14:42 +0000 (UTC) Because as we all know, criminals would never falsify an ID to get something off the net. What do they want, drivers license? Are they nuts? Tony On Nov 28, 2007 9:56 AM, Travis Hartnett wrote: > I just tried to create a musician's page, and to validate the page and > make it publicly viewable, they asked for a scan of a photo ID to > insure that I am me. > > TH > > > On Nov 28, 2007 12:43 AM, Per Boysen wrote: > > On 28 nov 2007, at 08.46, Travis Hartnett wrote: > > > > > Doesn't Facebook require that you upload a scan of a photo ID to > > > activate your page? > > > > No. You register with your e-mail address and a password you make up. > > Be sure to register the correct type of page though, there are many > > sorts; private, musician, product... etc etc > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 28 15:18:31 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CE8823BF05; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 15:18:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=sTxusoWFUbuOrH4Fw4BAiVZUdxVSEWvWEWa+ZZGmlOM=; b=IB9UptlWe89/+b7fkMcupRznpOChtvMOGbm57PXCbrJpRSNKpjFKUxI5t7MshvkauvlouIM5gK6aV0S6iVJhoiYpTLznTXJHiDR9evPDqEdOcpH71UEpmpfEeQvefAmbSJfQW9JGDEuPH7mjFdWdxBUAB5zdtV7p4y2vN5LrOkU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=XsTdQkQ/U3E8D2hyBLfMcQQ7vrkduG+EUhMXiFzcRAqe6tmVrefNvQtR0I4YEh0wLNJ/XBM2HmG8u1EuQa+QAeAWQjuv5C0v8ZJsNWhOiVU6RbQWsyCF+DUmdOrRBo4s4aRVH0lDW4X3P34zSDaZZ4WTgsR+ReGV6rTMyXTgrHs= Message-ID: Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 07:18:28 -0800 From: "Travis Hartnett" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Facebook Pages for Musicians In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <007101c8317f$6a804d20$6401a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76722 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 15:18:30 +0000 (UTC) "For legal reasons, Facebook can only authorize you to upload music to your Page if you verify that you formally represent [my name]. Please upload a picture of legal documentation (such as a photo id card) that identifies you as [my email address]" That's the message I received. My recollection was that Facebook was originally limited to college students, and that you had to have a .edu mail account to get a page. TH On Nov 28, 2007 7:14 AM, Tony K wrote: > Because as we all know, criminals would never falsify an ID to get > something off the net. > > What do they want, drivers license? Are they nuts? > > Tony > > > On Nov 28, 2007 9:56 AM, Travis Hartnett wrote: > > I just tried to create a musician's page, and to validate the page and > > make it publicly viewable, they asked for a scan of a photo ID to > > insure that I am me. > > > > TH > > > > > > On Nov 28, 2007 12:43 AM, Per Boysen wrote: > > > On 28 nov 2007, at 08.46, Travis Hartnett wrote: > > > > > > > Doesn't Facebook require that you upload a scan of a photo ID to > > > > activate your page? > > > > > > No. You register with your e-mail address and a password you make up. > > > Be sure to register the correct type of page though, there are many > > > sorts; private, musician, product... etc etc > > > > > > > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 28 15:50:39 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 21A743BEDA; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 15:50:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <00aa01c831d6$6b760c40$6401a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <86783.9999.qm@web35110.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <20071114114223.t6ckosxc8408888c@69.89.21.76> <003e01c8317b$8ce7d080$6401a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> <64b81a780711272108u60b45a0cp8432b8ea09655f58@mail.gmail.com> Subject: How far does looping go back? Farther than you think.... Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 08:50:36 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: <6zc6GD.A.XyG.O5YTHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76723 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 15:50:39 +0000 (UTC) Wow, what next? A hand drum made by yourself in the rain forest, with the skin of an animal you slayed yourself for nourishment, and the wood of a tree you cut down for shelter? :) Back to basics. What is the most primitive looping technique and experience in the world? One might imagine a Homo Habilis (~2.2 to 1.6 million years BCE), Homo Erectus (~2 to 0.4 million years BCE), Neanderthal (~200,000 to 30,000 years BCE), Cro-Magdon (~40,000 to 10,000 years BCE) shouting, singing, or banging an object in a cave (in Europe) or a large canyon (in Africa), and being amused by the echo (loop). I'm quite sure some human/hominid ancestor experienced this phenomenon and the intrigue with hearing our voice or some other sound repeat by means of a power outside our control. So, did looping start with Terry Riley or Steve Reich? Maybe from a modern technology standpoint, but certainly not in principle as a human experience or even from a general technological standpoint (given that tool use is a form of technology and goes back to ~2.6 million years ago). I'd say it is very likely that the proto-humans experienced their first looping experience over 2 million years ago. BTW, what's the longest delay time you've experienced by shouting in a large canyon or cave? Kris I'll do you one better... I haven't turned on my rack of gear in about two years. Instead I've been playing flamenco, just me and my guitar. There's something beautiful in the simplicity of fingers moving strings, strings moving wood, wood moving air. I still like hanging around here listening to you folks grip about gear, though. ;) Todd On Nov 28, 2007 12:00 AM, Krispen Hartung < khartung@cableone.net> wrote: It's liberating isn't it? For the last month, I have been looping with just my clean jazz guitar sound, and my max/msp looper. I have been concentrating on what I can do with just my instrument without the aid of tone mangling effects, just the tone of the guitar and the power of the looper and its features. It occured to me how easy it is (at least for me) to make decent sounding music with loads of effects as a artistic crutch...a few lush ambient fripp like patches, some long delays and modulation, granular synthesis, layers of effects and pitch, etc. After a while, my primary instrument is overshadowed, the love of my music life that has been with me for 28 years. I find it much more interesting and challenging to work with just my guitar tone now, and see what limits I can push, what boundaries I can leap without the aid of the all so seductive tone mangling effect crutch. :) We'll see where this goes.... Kris ----- Original Message ----- wow, so many good threads at the moment. I would totally agree, adding in more loopers, then a handsonic, then a guitar synth, then loosing two multi fx for six pedals....i only realised yesterday i ha`nt played a single one of my songs through to completion for litterally two months,thats just how caught up i am in all the possibilities of all this new gear (plus i am learning to hand drum which is a whole new game) in the end i went out last night with nothing more then my guitar and DL4 and couldnt had a more fun night...i actually played songs!!!!!! Phill MyOneManBand www.myspace.com/myonemanband > If we can get used to compartmentalizing those roles into their > chosen times, I think we could be much happier overall. That means > dedicating scheduled time to building and tweeking all the bugs out > of a setup until it works just how it's supposed to. Then WALK AWAY > AND LEAVE IT ALONE. Later, come back and work on mastering making > good music on that setup. If something goes wrong, make a note but > leave it until the next build slot comes up. > Are you the Quizmaster? Play BrainBattle with a friend now! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 28 15:51:38 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 44BE83BEF1; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 15:51:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <00af01c831d6$8f132ca0$6401a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <007101c8317f$6a804d20$6401a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> Subject: Re: Facebook Pages for Musicians Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 08:51:36 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76724 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 15:51:38 +0000 (UTC) Not the normal account for non-musicians, but the musician page did require that for me to upload my music. I didn't have a problem with it, now that driver's licenses don't use SS #s any longer. Kris ----- Original Message ----- > Doesn't Facebook require that you upload a scan of a photo ID to > activate your page? > > > > On Nov 27, 2007 9:27 PM, Krispen Hartung wrote: >> >> >> Well, as if the ten billion other musician pages on the internet aren't >> enough, Facebook now has musician pages. Maybe you knew this already. In >> any >> event, I was compelled to squander yet another 2 hours creating a page >> with >> all my photos, sound clips, CD links, bio, etc. >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 28 15:53:41 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BB9553BEF3; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 15:53:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <00b401c831d6$d8b6f350$6401a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <8360360.1196235921885.JavaMail.root@elwamui-hound.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Subject: Re: Facebook Pages for Musicians Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 08:53:39 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="UTF-8"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: <8uW7D.A.L-G.F8YTHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76725 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 15:53:41 +0000 (UTC) That was Tarey P., the photographer who has taken all the pictures and videos for the 1st and 2nd Annual Boise Experimental Music Festivals. I'm not sure what program he uses. He is making a two set DVD for last year's festival as well, should be done in February and really cool! Lots of psychedelic effects along with the sound board recordings. Kris ----- Original Message ----- > > Kris-great page and how do you do that swirlee image? > that is just too cool. > s > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 28 16:00:13 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E20203BEF3; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 16:00:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <00c701c831d7$c2707a20$6401a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <007101c8317f$6a804d20$6401a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> Subject: Re: Facebook Pages for Musicians Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 09:00:11 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76726 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 16:00:13 +0000 (UTC) I got the same message. Per, how did you get around this? Did you actually setup a musician page and upload your music? Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Travis Hartnett" To: Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2007 8:18 AM Subject: Re: Facebook Pages for Musicians > "For legal reasons, Facebook can only authorize you to upload music to > your Page if you verify that you formally represent [my name]. Please > upload a picture of legal documentation (such as a photo id card) that > identifies you as [my email address]" > > That's the message I received. My recollection was that Facebook was > originally limited to college students, and that you had to have a > .edu mail account to get a page. > > TH > > On Nov 28, 2007 7:14 AM, Tony K wrote: >> Because as we all know, criminals would never falsify an ID to get >> something off the net. >> >> What do they want, drivers license? Are they nuts? >> >> Tony >> >> >> On Nov 28, 2007 9:56 AM, Travis Hartnett >> wrote: >> > I just tried to create a musician's page, and to validate the page and >> > make it publicly viewable, they asked for a scan of a photo ID to >> > insure that I am me. >> > >> > TH >> > >> > >> > On Nov 28, 2007 12:43 AM, Per Boysen wrote: >> > > On 28 nov 2007, at 08.46, Travis Hartnett wrote: >> > > >> > > > Doesn't Facebook require that you upload a scan of a photo ID to >> > > > activate your page? >> > > >> > > No. You register with your e-mail address and a password you make up. >> > > Be sure to register the correct type of page though, there are many >> > > sorts; private, musician, product... etc etc >> > > >> > > >> > >> > >> >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 28 16:11:30 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 70E303BEF5; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 16:11:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <00fa01c831d9$53e797d0$6401a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <20071128133121.6C8463BEE0@arsenic.violacea.com> <474D7205.17512.107D031@nick.12testing.net> Subject: Re: facebook? Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 09:11:25 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76727 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 16:11:30 +0000 (UTC) Go to your main page. Click on Page Manager in the left navigation menu. Click on Pages. Click Create page. Kris ----- Original Message ----- > I've got a standard facebook page but can see no way to convert it to > a music pgae ;( > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 28 16:30:18 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 34C103BEDC; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 16:30:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; bh=cyH8eQ4PXDX7/x0eqEQZrXaNPdarBlkoJCsDVOWDT0E=; b=v7BQ7yCb0zi/bijDgYR67Yk2BVrfUdENMogOad1KvxHZDrej408C6YR2JtUmc1oqu2mum4sdc+OrQMF7D9juoMCSug9ThNc08LCFv+yfY6XzD149cC7HxTG6KI2bR7ai9XIT7OkWBtrHKjfU+95P4ZDvZ49sFvZNoe+tML9+NGc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=CQruIeHBMK01Hb18kphh0vP421onhSwbnTT4K1suCSPXdHfls3ilJ4+9s0Xzdrwkl3pBBYtf/CfVooq7aFFABboZmsicp9myqbKd8RRRqeSwOGtoo/3JdClLPLqOpVkIRmy8G6L8VQRlVsix/VGUNV0Vqh/bVdaCis0OWMAGTUE= Message-ID: <9e0440a60711280830q1b1de43ax1f864cdbfb52d535@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 11:30:16 -0500 From: "Jim Goodin" To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: NY Gig Spam - Jim Goodin appearances in December MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_5210_20879400.1196267416144" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76728 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 16:30:17 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_5210_20879400.1196267416144 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline December is bringing lots of gig announcements so please bear one more... I have two NY area solo shows this coming month as follows... *Dec 1, 2-4pm*, PS39 Holiday Craft Fair, John Jay High School, 7th Ave (btwn 4th & 5th streets), Brooklyn. *Dec. 21, 10pm*, Gizzi's Coffee, 16 W. 8th Street, NYC www.gizzisny.com. Sidebar... my "looping" experience is as many on this list know, new using mostly a Digitech Delay. I recently had a laptop come available to me and spent a lot of time exploring Mobius over Thanksgiving. I'm planning to begin working it into what I do live as in a word it's pretty cool. Thanks to CPR for the encourage on this. Best to all Jim -- The Acoustic World Guitar of Jim Goodin - http://www.jimgoodinmusic.com MySpace (solo) - http://www.myspace.com/jimgoodinmusic Chinapainting - http://www.chinapaintingmusic.com Chinapainting on My Space - http://www.myspace.com/chinapaintingmusic.com The Jim Goodin label and home for 7 other creative souls - http://www.woodandwiremusic.com Jim Goodin uses GHS Strings - http://www.ghsstrings.com and Seagull Guitars - http://www.seagullguitars.com, Jim Goodin is published by Mel Bay Publications, Inc. - http://www.melbay.com ------=_Part_5210_20879400.1196267416144 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline
        December is bringing lots of gig announcements so please bear one more...
         
        I have two NY area solo shows this coming month as follows...
         
        Dec 1, 2-4pm, PS39 Holiday Craft Fair, John Jay High School, 7th Ave (btwn 4th & 5th streets), Brooklyn.

        Dec. 21, 10pm, Gizzi's Coffee, 16 W. 8th Street, NYC www.gizzisny.com.
         
        Sidebar... my "looping" experience is as many on this list know, new using mostly a Digitech Delay.  I recently had a laptop come available to me and spent a lot of time exploring Mobius over Thanksgiving.  I'm planning to begin working it into what I do live as in a word it's pretty cool.  Thanks to CPR for the encourage on this.
         
        Best to all
         
        Jim

        --
        The Acoustic World Guitar of Jim Goodin  - http://www.jimgoodinmusic.com
        MySpace (solo) - http://www.myspace.com/jimgoodinmusic
        Chinapainting -
        http://www.chinapaintingmusic.com
        Chinapainting on My Space -
        http://www.myspace.com/chinapaintingmusic.com
        The Jim Goodin label and home for 7 other creative souls - http://www.woodandwiremusic.com
        Jim Goodin uses GHS Strings - http://www.ghsstrings.com and Seagull Guitars - http://www.seagullguitars.com, Jim Goodin is published by Mel Bay Publications, Inc. - http://www.melbay.com
        ------=_Part_5210_20879400.1196267416144-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 28 16:42:40 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 39D403BEDA; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 16:42:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <474D9A7B.2020802@mhorse.com> Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 10:42:35 -0600 From: Daryl Shawn User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.13 (Windows/20070809) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Review of Rob McDade's "Terrafirma" References: <20071128133121.6C8463BEE0@arsenic.violacea.com> <474D7205.17512.107D031@nick.12testing.net> <00fa01c831d9$53e797d0$6401a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> In-Reply-To: <00fa01c831d9$53e797d0$6401a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76729 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 16:42:40 +0000 (UTC) I'm finding a bit of time to start writing reviews again, and have a whole stack lined up, including some that I promised months ago and a few from things I picked up or was gifted with at the Loopfest. Here's one on Rob McDade's eclectic "Terrafirma". http://www.swanwelder.com/mutereactionary/Rob_McDade.htm Daryl Shawn www.swanwelder.com www.chinapaintingmusic.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 28 17:25:32 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 212533BEDA; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 17:25:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 12:25:26 EST Subject: speaking of music! To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_d23.122fa2d9.347efe86_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 293 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76730 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 17:25:31 +0000 (UTC) --part1_d23.122fa2d9.347efe86_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit just gave another listen to the CT-COLLECTIVE'S "TSISHA IS NOW BANNED".....what fun!.....full of wonderful ideas and great recording chops.....only wish i had a lyric sheet.....:).....i am in the same "boat" as kris, simplfy, ct's project "ACCUSTC" has me down to: old tape recorder mic>rang>recorder.....i find that even adding a bit of verb to the sounds seems wrong and i even question using the rang.....i am happily going NUTZ....BTB.....for those hankering masses out there i now have MUSIC (thanks per!) up at my space (adddresss below).....KLOYBOY'S set at y2k7 and some old stuff.....please stop by, there will be an open bar till 7:00.....michael "Don't loaf and invite inspiration. Light out after it with a club.".....JACK LONDON http://www.myspace.com/klobuchar10 www.ct-collective.com ************************************** Check out AOL's list of 2007's hottest products. (http://money.aol.com/special/hot-products-2007?NCID=aoltop00030000000001) --part1_d23.122fa2d9.347efe86_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable just gave another listen to  the=20= CT-COLLECTIVE'S "TSISHA IS NOW BANNED".....what fun!.....full of  wond= erful ideas and great recording chops.....only wish i had a lyric sheet.....= :).....i am in the same "boat" as kris, simplfy, ct's project "ACCUSTC" has= me down to: old tape recorder mic>rang>recorder.....i find that even=20= adding a bit of verb to the sounds seems wrong and i even question using the= rang.....i am happily going  NUTZ....BTB.....for those hankering mass= es out there i now have MUSIC (thanks per!) up at my space (adddresss below)= .....KLOYBOY'S set at y2k7 and some old stuff.....please stop by, there will= be an open bar till 7:00.....michael



        "Don't loaf and invite inspiration. Light out after it with a club.".....JAC= K LONDON

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        (http://money.aol.com/special/hot-pr= oducts-2007?NCID=3Daoltop00030000000001) --part1_d23.122fa2d9.347efe86_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 28 18:06:05 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F3F6A3BED8; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 18:06:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-priority:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; bh=4m/jkoBmnFB8rCxNe5XnBBB1YLqBSVGI5UeLxgsmFIo=; b=YAUFqc1wPLn+E8okszK373ReheCCqqeu7w7xLVTwD+1NgE8mcYStYVfZ1CqfhOpOq9PmvKUGascCRIyul2qAZ+34L9gtwpL3IBPrmZ4Zjm9+40sL6CUG7fkLrxDF8oJoKIQ2tEPhZDfeAK2Kr8C9dvmotrvvAV/d7P2hg1La7bM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=received:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-priority:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=KyLIITbTUIO3gs4iv97tTTZwHWr2P2+Tp70q71nV9q3yaw6kPPd3kjcREMQ0gfurritcTsGHME63dmcrWBR2bYTGKaAj81JcZzi0TCL+7lwJcdTFXOApSUz1YO/i+c5GsS5YyD3Ulr8mB/a+IfN+mxRmB/WJS37m/dEvxMB+3n8= In-Reply-To: <00c701c831d7$c2707a20$6401a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> References: <007101c8317f$6a804d20$6401a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> <00c701c831d7$c2707a20$6401a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <77A481E6-1460-43A2-AE9A-378B16995EE8@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Facebook Pages for Musicians Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 19:05:55 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76731 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 18:06:04 +0000 (UTC) On 28 nov 2007, at 17.00, Krispen Hartung wrote: > I got the same message. Per, how did you get around this? Did you > actually setup a musician page and upload your music? > > Kris Maybe it's different here i europe? Or maybe because I did it quite long ago? I'v had my normal Facebook page almost for a year. Except for that one I created too more artist pages this summer. They are http://www.ilike.com/artist/Per+Boysen To qualify for this page I had to first join Garageband.com and then "expand" that account into Facebook. http://apps.facebook.com/ilike/artist/Per+Boysen This one shares the database for friends, groups etc with my normal Facebook page. Both artist pages are inter-connected by links. Seems like a strange system to me, but the explanation I got was that only 3000 fans/ friends can be handled under the facebook.com domain. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://www.youtube.com/pellibox (gritty) From service@intl.cuna.org Wed Nov 28 18:07:31 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 31336 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 18:07:31 UTC Received: from mail.tri-c.com (mail.tri-c.com [66.0.224.195]) by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 546443BEC2 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 18:07:28 +0000 (UTC) Received: from no.name.available by mail.tri-c.com via smtpd (for loopers-delight.com [207.228.238.36]) with ESMTP; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 13:05:35 -0500 Received: from Internal Mail-Server by mail (envelope-from service@intl.cuna.org) with SMTP; 27 Nov 2007 19:48:10 -0500 Received: from [66.35.166.218] ([66.35.166.218]) by [66.35.166.218] via smtpd (for [192.168.100.246] [192.168.100.246]) with ESMTP; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 19:46:13 -0500 Received: from cuna ([74.92.241.141] unverified) by frwa01.frwa.net with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Tue, 27 Nov 2007 19:48:05 -0500 Reply-To: From: "Credit Union National Association" Subject: Regular Account Maintenance Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 19:48:05 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1251" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1081 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1081 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Nov 2007 00:48:05.0889 (UTC) FILETIME=[568AF710:01C83158] To: undisclosed-recipients:; Credit Union National Association
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        From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 28 18:40:07 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0BB0A3BECD; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 18:40:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 405 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 18:40:06 UTC X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 706091.72741.bm@omp402.mail.sp1.yahoo.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=Qz6qkqaEEk28tJsmjWagXPmoZO0B20XPxUuUrVsGDMrPI74myXeDUe2xr1cKKnUkbklfjfJPavWXdtFxwBhSqHKg2SknoNGJhO9aSrmN37Q59NoUqwRv82ZzgTO95xXLKE6EX8NZ3e4LgkWGPhqpcORPhTqqqXiq2JRYqiW3lYA=; X-YMail-OSG: twWfeVYVM1kX1uRoQOiHHO_9VBqB2S61YFkUA7gK.vqPkjx4.KUWK8kN5rTLZcLkWP04459qcREuFbCsDdcxX2Mpzg-- X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/818.27 YahooMailWebService/0.7.157 Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 10:33:18 -0800 (PST) From: Adam Hart Subject: Burned by Oberheim EDP... switching to Mobius? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1119113479-1196274798=:63887" Message-ID: <547346.63887.qm@web45303.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76732 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 18:40:07 +0000 (UTC) --0-1119113479-1196274798=:63887 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I've been having some serious EDP heartburn lately and I am thinking about switching to Mobius or another software looper. My Gibson EDP tweaked out on me, so I replaced it with an Oberheim EDP. Big mistake. When synched to my MIDI sequencer the Oberheim moves the start point of the second loop... and everything is off. Forget workarounds - I WANT SOMETHING THAT WORKS HOW IT IS SUPPOSED TO (like my gibson echoplex before I ruined it). So now I am going to sell my EDP and buy a PC for Mobius. Any thoughts on how much RAM I need? I tried searching for the answer on the archives but I couldn't find anything. Uhg, Adam ____________________________________________________________________________________ Get easy, one-click access to your favorites. Make Yahoo! your homepage. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs --0-1119113479-1196274798=:63887 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
        I've been having some serious EDP heartburn lately and I am thinking about switching to Mobius or another software looper.

        My Gibson EDP tweaked out on me, so I replaced it with an Oberheim EDP.  Big mistake.  When synched to my MIDI sequencer the Oberheim moves the start point of the second loop... and everything is off.  Forget workarounds - I WANT SOMETHING THAT WORKS HOW IT IS SUPPOSED TO (like my gibson echoplex before I ruined it).

        So now I am going to sell my EDP and buy a PC for Mobius.  Any thoughts on how much RAM I need?  I tried searching for the answer on the archives but I couldn't find anything.


        Uhg,

        Adam

        Be a better pen pal. Text or chat with friends inside Yahoo! Mail. See how. --0-1119113479-1196274798=:63887-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 28 18:41:39 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C21D33BEF1; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 18:41:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=Eb8aqD0DAQ1SryhKp7aifc22/2W8/Dp5tlKhiBq0VQhvd+Ku4O1bEACddEHgIyYxAOrjXpxZ9brqowj3uKHk3p3pimwZVD+tBfvrzdbUih8DZ4G6U6me8rNtEP82Y6w+hJ3DZ5Xb1e261JEfy6XdmMU/APh8yS5e7YvxZ/4Vzu4=; X-YMail-OSG: .Z4J024VM1nA7azIEjo_xPVHH_A587u9aZHCixr1HvqglLtb6uzLvnDDrCTWPoP5Q6WC_tQVeVLiwsLhFFendbqE5YDp4ZOvOtW3I5iBCSFtVnabCEo- Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 10:41:38 -0800 (PST) From: Subject: Re: Facebook Pages for Musicians To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <77A481E6-1460-43A2-AE9A-378B16995EE8@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <408961.44240.qm@web34514.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76733 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 18:41:39 +0000 (UTC) I didn't upload music on the musicians page becuase of facebook wanting a photo ID... I would imagine that a work ID would work. I got around this by making my regular prfile mirror my musicians page and posting a widget from my reverbnation page on it. By the way.. if you're not on reverbnation it's worth it for the widgets. www.myspace.com/mesqua www.reverbnation.com/stevenguerrero ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better pen pal. Text or chat with friends inside Yahoo! Mail. See how. http://overview.mail.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 28 18:56:02 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DA1CC3BEF8; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 18:56:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-RZG-CLASS-ID: mo07 X-RZG-AUTH: lUESeo99iNzPL8kuBgLYdKEqUywq9cxqeRA+BtFcSCD10+29g0l4W2KcjQ== From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: AW: Burned by Oberheim EDP... switching to Mobius? Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 19:56:31 +0100 Organization: Moinlabs Message-ID: <000301c831f0$63efc870$1001a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <547346.63887.qm@web45303.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Thread-Index: Acgx7hoaZ/buYdwQRyiZ5/b3d/4QtAAAbbgg X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Resent-Message-ID: <7HPXmB.A.SfF.BnbTHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76734 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 18:56:01 +0000 (UTC) > So now I am going to sell my EDP and buy a PC for Mobius. Any thoughts on how much RAM I need? I tried searching for the > answer on the archives but I couldn't find anything. The main source for info on Mobius is the Mobius discussion group (look for the link at www.zonemobius.com). As for memory needs: Mobius doesn't require a lot of memory just "sitting there" (9MB?), but keep in mind that it stores all of its loops in RAM. So if you currently used a 16MB EDP and don't want to go beyond that, taking into account that Mobius does everything in stereo, the total requirement for Mobius + sample storage would be about 31MB. Keep in mind that you eventually will make use of Mobius' eight tracks. Generally speaking, Mobius is quite easy on computer resources (unless you use pitch shift, which is kind of a CPU hog). If you use Mobius as a sync master (syncing other apps on the computer to it), make sure not to tax the CPU too hard or you will find the MIDI out swaying. Rainer From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 28 18:56:15 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 540CB3BEFB; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 18:56:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=PHNrg0JedeaqertrR0FgJxUTlYGHjkFSmVkMZxclretV9oFpsjhnr2nVZLcE23UPpF/u/6rBVZbxGQhVJePCFV4QIQ/iunpCOcRhIlsHnsimoJqy9uBXTKMScz3jcSsySChRsbCqGNlg5+RYxPE8FAlTBKwfgioYGG0H7NSH02s=; X-YMail-OSG: W9qkGdgVM1k6ikO4NaqUZm4xpxvS_Yvzka9Y2tibeZLiMBBLGLfXCPc7qSrrKs1qxYyIv4A7URrWCkkd_9NtiRfcg7FWmcExnoc_oGY7ji4GUSGhnNo- Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 10:56:13 -0800 (PST) From: Subject: Re: Facebook Pages for Musicians To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <408961.44240.qm@web34514.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <620675.20667.qm@web34511.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76735 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 18:56:15 +0000 (UTC) didn't provide my link as example. http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=758002047 --- mesquamacus@yahoo.com wrote: > I didn't upload music on the musicians page becuase > of > facebook wanting a photo ID... I would imagine that > a > work ID would work. > > I got around this by making my regular prfile mirror > my musicians page and posting a widget from my > reverbnation page on it. > > By the way.. if you're not on reverbnation it's > worth > it for the widgets. > > > www.myspace.com/mesqua > www.reverbnation.com/stevenguerrero > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > Be a better pen pal. > Text or chat with friends inside Yahoo! Mail. See > how. http://overview.mail.yahoo.com/ > > www.myspace.com/mesqua www.reverbnation.com/stevenguerrero ____________________________________________________________________________________ Never miss a thing. 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        FROM THE DEST OF
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        Lagos Nigerian
        ATTN: BENEFICAIRY/FUND OWNER
        I write to notify you of the concluded arrangement to bring your percentage from the proceed of the Inheritance/contract transaction you executed with my client  to your location as a diplomatic consigment by the paying bank Central Bank of Nigerian.
         
        This fund was deposited by your partner who left the shores of Nigerian after the sucessful completion of your partnership Inheritance/contract payment which he confided in me that you have invested a lot of money into this transaction but was not paid to you due to some requirement you were unable able to meet up with.
        Following the release of the total Inheritance/contract amount by the paying bank your  partner decided to compersate you with US$2.450,000,00 (Two Million  Four Hundered and fifty  United States dollars) he deposited with Central Bank of Nigerian.
        I am therefore writing you so that you can obtain the necessary information from the bank regarding the diplomatic delivery of your compersation amount.
         
        For your payment please contact the Telax department to provide your Full name, present contact address, and Telephone No, as this is required to enable the diplomat deliver your fund to your location.
        Mr.Robert ADD
        Head Telax Department
        Central Bank of Nigerian
        Nigerian
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        Johnson Owen.


        Connect to the next generation of MSN Messenger  Get it now! --_e6fab39b-f3fc-403c-b967-1bf87c94ccad_-- From johnsonowenp1@hotmail.com Wed Nov 28 19:11:44 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 721 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 19:11:44 UTC Received: from blu139-omc3-s5.blu139.hotmail.com (blu139-omc3-s5.blu139.hotmail.com [65.55.175.205]) by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BDEA33BED2; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 19:11:44 +0000 (UTC) Received: from BLU106-W39 ([65.55.162.187]) by blu139-omc3-s5.blu139.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Wed, 28 Nov 2007 10:59:41 -0800 Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_bd018104-9daa-452b-8180-fb9f4e8e06af_" X-Originating-IP: [195.225.62.68] Reply-To: From: Johnson Owen Subject: YOUR COMPERSATION FOR ALL YOUR ASSISTANCE Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 18:59:41 +0000 Importance: Normal MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Nov 2007 18:59:41.0797 (UTC) FILETIME=[D5256950:01C831F0] To: undisclosed-recipients:; --_bd018104-9daa-452b-8180-fb9f4e8e06af_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1256" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit FROM THE DEST OF BARR. Johnson OwenLagos Nigerian ATTN: BENEFICAIRY/FUND OWNER I write to notify you of the concluded arrangement to bring your percentage from the proceed of the Inheritance/contract transaction you executed with my client to your location as a diplomatic consigment by the paying bank Central Bank of Nigerian. This fund was deposited by your partner who left the shores of Nigerian after the sucessful completion of your partnership Inheritance/contract payment which he confided in me that you have invested a lot of money into this transaction but was not paid to you due to some requirement you were unable able to meet up with. Following the release of the total Inheritance/contract amount by the paying bank your partner decided to compersate you with US$2.450,000,00 (Two Million Four Hundered and fifty United States dollars) he deposited with Central Bank of Nigerian. I am therefore writing you so that you can obtain the necessary information from the bank regarding the diplomatic delivery of your compersation amount. For your payment please contact the Telax department to provide your Full name, present contact address, and Telephone No, as this is required to enable the diplomat deliver your fund to your location. Mr.Robert ADDHead Telax DepartmentCentral Bank of NigerianNigerianemail: ofnigerian_centralbank@yahoo.com God bless you for all your assistance to my cleintJohnson Owen. _________________________________________________________________ Invite your mail contacts to join your friends list with Windows Live Spaces. It's easy! http://spaces.live.com/spacesapi.aspx?wx_action=create&wx_url=/friends.aspx&mkt=en-us --_bd018104-9daa-452b-8180-fb9f4e8e06af_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="windows-1256" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit  
        FROM THE DEST OF
        BARR. Johnson Owen
        Lagos Nigerian
        ATTN: BENEFICAIRY/FUND OWNER
        I write to notify you of the concluded arrangement to bring your percentage from the proceed of the Inheritance/contract transaction you executed with my client  to your location as a diplomatic consigment by the paying bank Central Bank of Nigerian.
         
        This fund was deposited by your partner who left the shores of Nigerian after the sucessful completion of your partnership Inheritance/contract payment which he confided in me that you have invested a lot of money into this transaction but was not paid to you due to some requirement you were unable able to meet up with.
        Following the release of the total Inheritance/contract amount by the paying bank your  partner decided to compersate you with US$2.450,000,00 (Two Million  Four Hundered and fifty  United States dollars) he deposited with Central Bank of Nigerian.
        I am therefore writing you so that you can obtain the necessary information from the bank regarding the diplomatic delivery of your compersation amount.
         
        For your payment please contact the Telax department to provide your Full name, present contact address, and Telephone No, as this is required to enable the diplomat deliver your fund to your location.
        Mr.Robert ADD
        Head Telax Department
        Central Bank of Nigerian
        Nigerian
        email: ofnigerian_centralbank@yahoo.com
         
        God bless you for all your assistance to my cleint
        Johnson Owen.


        Invite your mail contacts to join your friends list with Windows Live Spaces. It's easy! Try it! --_bd018104-9daa-452b-8180-fb9f4e8e06af_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 28 19:13:19 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D3D033BED9; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 19:13:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <00e701c831f2$b367cc70$5901a8c0@bobdell> Reply-To: "Bob Amstadt" From: "Bob Amstadt" To: References: <547346.63887.qm@web45303.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Burned by Oberheim EDP... switching to Mobius? Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 11:13:03 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00E4_01C831AF.A4A73B00" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Resent-Message-ID: <-KbiZD.A.hQG.P3bTHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76736 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 19:13:19 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00E4_01C831AF.A4A73B00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sounds like you are sold on going the computer path, but there are other = rack mount loopers other than the EDP that support MIDI sync. =20 If you do go the computer path then I highly recommend dedicating a = computer solely to that purpose. This will allow you to strip the = computer of all annoying add-on packages that tend to make computers = unstable. The less that is installed on the computer the more reliable = it will be. In fact, if you get a stable configuration. I would avoid = automatic upgrade managers. I also wouldn't use it on the network. = Installing anti-virus software can be one of the worst things that you = do to a computer. I'd actually like to see Linux used more heavily in audio systems. = There is so much unnecessary garbage in Windows. Bob Amstadt ------=_NextPart_000_00E4_01C831AF.A4A73B00 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
        Sounds like you are sold on going the = computer=20 path, but there are other rack mount loopers other than the EDP that = support=20 MIDI sync. 
         
        If you do go the computer path then I = highly=20 recommend dedicating a computer solely to that purpose.  This will = allow=20 you to strip the computer of all annoying add-on packages that tend to = make=20 computers unstable.  The less that is installed on the computer the = more=20 reliable it will be.  In fact, if you get a stable = configuration.  I=20 would avoid automatic upgrade managers.  I also wouldn't use it on = the=20 network.  Installing anti-virus software can be one of the worst = things=20 that you do to a computer.
         
        I'd actually like to see Linux used = more heavily in=20 audio systems.  There is so much unnecessary garbage in=20 Windows.
         
        Bob Amstadt
        ------=_NextPart_000_00E4_01C831AF.A4A73B00-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 28 19:16:37 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F24B33BEF4; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 19:16:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; bh=jDjJGAbxsVCqOdLlzq1ypEGQ0Bf4mr9CELBIMY6eAYE=; b=ZBfsSdSQUN4/T5CLQ9LSCH5H94XwEiSOdpWF7XNo+8YtTmbVA/bSj11eshG8F49mv7Yk/+3PchkDhkvw+Rines94LriWj9tb+HlX+qhdR3u6seHz0tjzQVDaRioru7F0bBA91FuFtIKswHvsit57B5pf5doY+X9KYzxTh9mTw9g= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=x1vaVl43K0zu6KP8y18Qs3ZAkNSYfhsS8LNwuuxSjBtXVJJ5vBvRMvz1oYosQBKyfhfSoJjLHSYXR8NdV6+5oBuiNHChnMjtoktWpwRvE4nLNEu98UKV8qZnV/aXsj9ffahKmQIBnNSFYP0vSQdRXa5MIwRjY1CyT7uRv93i+WM= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <547346.63887.qm@web45303.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <547346.63887.qm@web45303.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <95E03BB2-EAD4-491E-9356-1C8BF051FAC1@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Burned by Oberheim EDP... switching to Mobius? Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 20:16:20 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: <5QxKGC.A.beG.U6bTHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76737 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 19:16:36 +0000 (UTC) On 28 nov 2007, at 19.33, Adam Hart wrote: > My Gibson EDP tweaked out on me, so I replaced it with an Oberheim > EDP. Big mistake. When synched to my MIDI sequencer the Oberheim > moves the start point of the second loop... and everything is off. > Forget workarounds - I WANT SOMETHING THAT WORKS HOW IT IS SUPPOSED > TO (like my gibson echoplex before I ruined it). > > So now I am going to sell my EDP and buy a PC for Mobius. Any > thoughts on how much RAM I need? I tried searching for the answer > on the archives but I couldn't find anything My Mobius PC works fine with just 1 GB RAM. I thought this was way too small memory when I bought it many years ago and I was planning to put in another stick, to use it with 2 GB RAM. But as time passed on I noticed Mobius did just excellent on just 1 GB. I notice you used your EDP as sync slave. This is not a good idea for Mobius on a latop. You'd better sync that MIDI sequencer after Mobius. I'm doing that with my two laptops looping rig and it works well. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://www.youtube.com/pellibox (gritty) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 28 19:29:30 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 642F03BEF5; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 19:29:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=wSf36qOuXv99T851tUC5/C54miN8+fbM4IalaG899atd5Do3PQmH7+iirAPpdwyYm0vudNifMnidO5pytf09XSWUV/1COBsV81WbXEAZ3sRKlTwcG04B30OLDuv0AKkVDqjYoV+yKPA5/bgvPJezjl38s0jq7VG/xzhkOJblC6A=; X-YMail-OSG: 42SZdpgVM1kSO5GLgwc.0r8vZIkAM2W4h9VduUx_ukwu8KkskO4avjYwV7IkM.lzDw-- Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 11:29:27 -0800 (PST) From: Paul Richards Subject: Re: Burned by Oberheim EDP... switching to Mobius? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <95E03BB2-EAD4-491E-9356-1C8BF051FAC1@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-244817841-1196278167=:24034" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <822915.24034.qm@web35112.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76738 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 19:29:30 +0000 (UTC) --0-244817841-1196278167=:24034 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I may have asked this before, but what are folks using to control Moebius from a physical standpoint? The Behringer MIDI pedal? Regards, Paul Per Boysen wrote: On 28 nov 2007, at 19.33, Adam Hart wrote: > My Gibson EDP tweaked out on me, so I replaced it with an Oberheim > EDP. Big mistake. When synched to my MIDI sequencer the Oberheim > moves the start point of the second loop... and everything is off. > Forget workarounds - I WANT SOMETHING THAT WORKS HOW IT IS SUPPOSED > TO (like my gibson echoplex before I ruined it). > > So now I am going to sell my EDP and buy a PC for Mobius. Any > thoughts on how much RAM I need? I tried searching for the answer > on the archives but I couldn't find anything My Mobius PC works fine with just 1 GB RAM. I thought this was way too small memory when I bought it many years ago and I was planning to put in another stick, to use it with 2 GB RAM. But as time passed on I noticed Mobius did just excellent on just 1 GB. I notice you used your EDP as sync slave. This is not a good idea for Mobius on a latop. You'd better sync that MIDI sequencer after Mobius. I'm doing that with my two laptops looping rig and it works well. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://www.youtube.com/pellibox (gritty) --------------------------------- Get easy, one-click access to your favorites. Make Yahoo! your homepage. --0-244817841-1196278167=:24034 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
        I may have asked this before, but what are folks using to control Moebius from a physical standpoint? The Behringer MIDI pedal?
         
        Regards, Paul

        Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com> wrote:
        On 28 nov 2007, at 19.33, Adam Hart wrote:

        > My Gibson EDP tweaked out on me, so I replaced it with an Oberheim
        > EDP. Big mistake. When synched to my MIDI sequencer the Oberheim
        > moves the start point of the second loop... and everything is off.
        > Forget workarounds - I WANT SOMETHING THAT WORKS HOW IT IS SUPPOSED
        > TO (like my gibson echoplex before I ruined it).
        >
        > So now I am going to sell my EDP and buy a PC for Mobius. Any
        > thoughts on how much RAM I need? I tried searching for the answer
        > on the archives but I couldn't find anything

        My Mobius PC works fine with just 1 GB RAM. I thought this was way
        too small memory when I bought it many years ago and I was planning
        to put in another stick, to use it with 2 GB RAM. But as time passed
        on I noticed Mobius did just excellent on just 1 GB.

        I notice you used your EDP as sync slave. This is not a good idea for
        Mobius on a latop. You'd better sync that MIDI sequencer after
        Mobius. I'm doing that with my two laptops looping rig and it works
        well.

        Greetings from Sweden

        Per Boysen
        www.boysen.se (Swedish)
        www.looproom.com (international)
        http://www.youtube.com/pellibox (gritty)





        Get easy, one-click access to your favorites. Make Yahoo! your homepage. --0-244817841-1196278167=:24034-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 28 19:33:02 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D97DF3BEF9; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 19:33:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 404 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 19:33:01 UTC DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=3Sy7h2ZFBwlNl2KTMCy6DjscgvPknmSow1gbDdyPEig=; b=Ir/oX/82qMN70pSOXFtvJzh+IOghN9qT6krYc+P296yJi5H/JphkR2mGpv1u6xwtHWXTikzV7qV52JphSdyu635xpHSLdLcuKUZBVcHo1OpkT4nmW1wQIOy7V21E+LCb+XJlDt+hbSWhKcDeW02+P4zULEv5LLGHmj4V95Oqzf4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=cSevP2BX/HTiRHh0tTKS3KaT5pVpT44n2AUlTbvIcVMqEdSe6AMTNHFm9OFVs1IFpjHCYUdt975HAM+y/Dscqwyj6nwqlRqPUf8/A1C9FeP4vTvYRs3g9WtOiIhc+qqv4QXkTmz5HDeK6LCkAskZhUFUzfIG5Wpy0NPc75hNdeo= Message-ID: Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 11:26:12 -0800 From: "Matt Davignon" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: computers suck creative energy In-Reply-To: <003e01c8317b$8ce7d080$6401a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <86783.9999.qm@web35110.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <20071114114223.t6ckosxc8408888c@69.89.21.76> <003e01c8317b$8ce7d080$6401a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76739 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 19:33:02 +0000 (UTC) I dunno - I'm completely dependent on tone-mangling effects. However I do see a trend with many electronic musicians where the lure of all the technological doodads provides too much of a distraction from actual musicmaking. I saw a concert at CNMAT (Center for New Music and Technology) in Berkeley last year that was a textbook case in this. The individual had set up 6 gestural controllers in his violin, so that his computer was changing and sampling the music he was playing in real time based on the velocity and angle of the bow, the angle of the violin, the pressure on the bow hair, etc. The resulting sound was a technological marvel, but lacked any appeal beyond the "ooh - gadgets" factor. For the same reason, I've learned over the years to not be swayed by the 'wowness' of new gear. I make an effort to only use electronics that are directly productive, and that I have a good amount of control over. I also have to keep an eye on myself, so I can rein it in when I'm making too much of a sonic mess. I've noticed lately that some of the best 'weird' music that I listen to isn't completely made of 'as weird as possible' sounds. A lot of them also have some untreated instrumentation too. (I love the use of marimba on some of Coil's recent albums.) That's another thing I've been trying to take to heart, sort of like building a context by including that sort of variety and dynamic. Matt Davignon www.ribosomemusic.com On Nov 27, 2007 9:00 PM, Krispen Hartung wrote: > > > It's liberating isn't it? For the last month, I have been looping with just > my clean jazz guitar sound, and my max/msp looper. I have been concentrating > on what I can do with just my instrument without the aid of tone mangling > effects, just the tone of the guitar and the power of the looper and its > features. It occured to me how easy it is (at least for me) to make decent > sounding music with loads of effects as a artistic crutch...a few lush > ambient fripp like patches, some long delays and modulation, granular > synthesis, layers of effects and pitch, etc. After a while, my primary > instrument is overshadowed, the love of my music life that has been with me > for 28 years. I find it much more interesting and challenging to work with > just my guitar tone now, and see what limits I can push, what boundaries I > can leap without the aid of the all so seductive tone mangling effect > crutch. :) We'll see where this goes.... > > Kris > > > From johnsonowenp1@hotmail.com Wed Nov 28 19:39:08 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 1020 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 19:39:08 UTC Received: from blu0-omc2-s1.blu0.hotmail.com (blu0-omc2-s1.blu0.hotmail.com [65.55.162.150]) by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 79AD43BEB9 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 19:39:08 +0000 (UTC) Received: from BLU106-W11 ([65.55.162.185]) by blu0-omc2-s1.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Wed, 28 Nov 2007 11:22:05 -0800 Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_816d2158-8764-48d3-b0b7-2f5283f06c6b_" X-Originating-IP: [195.225.62.68] Reply-To: From: Johnson Owen Subject: YOUR COMPERSATION FOR ALL YOUR ASSISTANCE Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 19:22:05 +0000 Importance: Normal MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Nov 2007 19:22:05.0783 (UTC) FILETIME=[F6396670:01C831F3] To: undisclosed-recipients:; --_816d2158-8764-48d3-b0b7-2f5283f06c6b_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1256" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit FROM THE DEST OF BARR. 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        Explore the seven wonders of the world Learn more! --_816d2158-8764-48d3-b0b7-2f5283f06c6b_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 28 20:08:48 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 904003BED3; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 20:08:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 5574 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 20:08:48 UTC Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 13:35:48 -0500 Subject: Re: How far does looping go back? Farther than you think.... Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-4-1071899824 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v553) From: Scott Duncan To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <00aa01c831d6$6b760c40$6401a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.553) X-Chzlrs: 0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76740 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 20:08:48 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-4-1071899824 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Slightly different (non-cave), same concept --person hearing their own voice reflected/ delayed/ echoed: On Route 129, mountain overlook of Lake Calderwood, TN (a "U" shaped section of lake/ w dam on upper right) -- a loud yell or shout-out will return for 5 or 6 seconds on a calm day -- approx 1.3 sec for 1st repeat; 3 distinct -- center, left, right, plus fades.......NTS (needless to say) some days are better than others.... . We've been human for quite a while now....with "echoes" all along..... cheers- scott On Wednesday, November 28, 2007, at 10:50 AM, Krispen Hartung wrote: > Wow, what next? A hand drum made by yourself in the rain forest, with > the skin of an animal you slayed yourself for nourishment, and the > wood of a tree you cut down for shelter? :) Back to basics. > > What is the most primitive looping technique and experience in the > world? One might imagine a Homo Habilis (~2.2 to 1.6 million years > BCE), Homo Erectus (~2 to 0.4 million years BCE), Neanderthal > (~200,000 to 30,000 years BCE), Cro-Magdon (~40,000 to 10,000 years > BCE) shouting, singing, or banging an object in a cave (in Europe) or > a large canyon (in Africa), and being amused by the echo (loop). I'm > quite sure some human/hominid ancestor experienced this phenomenon and > the intrigue with hearing our voice or some other sound repeat by > means of a power outside our control. > > So, did looping start with Terry Riley or Steve Reich? Maybe from a > modern technology standpoint, but certainly not in principle as a > human experience or even from a general technological standpoint > (given that tool use is a form of technology and goes back to ~2.6 > million years ago). I'd say it is very likely that the proto-humans > experienced their first looping experience over 2 million years ago. > > BTW, what's the longest delay time you've experienced by shouting in a > large canyon or cave? > > Kris > --Apple-Mail-4-1071899824 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=US-ASCII Slightly different (non-cave), same concept --person hearing their own voice reflected/ delayed/ echoed: On Route 129, mountain overlook of Lake Calderwood, TN (a "U" shaped section of lake/ w dam on upper right) -- a loud yell or shout-out will return for 5 or 6 seconds on a calm day -- approx 1.3 sec for 1st repeat; 3 distinct -- center, left, right, plus fades.......NTS (needless to say) some days are better than others.... . We've been human for quite a while now....with "echoes" all along..... cheers- scott On Wednesday, November 28, 2007, at 10:50 AM, Krispen Hartung wrote: Wow, what next? A hand drum made by yourself in the rain forest, with the skin of an animal you slayed yourself for nourishment, and the wood of a tree you cut down for shelter? :) Back to basics. What is the most primitive looping technique and experience in the world? One might imagine a Homo Habilis (~2.2 to 1.6 million years BCE), Homo Erectus (~2 to 0.4 million years BCE), Neanderthal (~200,000 to 30,000 years BCE), Cro-Magdon (~40,000 to 10,000 years BCE) shouting, singing, or banging an object in a cave (in Europe) or a large canyon (in Africa), and being amused by the echo (loop). I'm quite sure some human/hominid ancestor experienced this phenomenon and the intrigue with hearing our voice or some other sound repeat by means of a power outside our control. So, did looping start with Terry Riley or Steve Reich? Maybe from a modern technology standpoint, but certainly not in principle as a human experience or even from a general technological standpoint (given that tool use is a form of technology and goes back to ~2.6 million years ago). I'd say it is very likely that the proto-humans experienced their first looping experience over 2 million years ago. BTW, what's the longest delay time you've experienced by shouting in a large canyon or cave? Kris --Apple-Mail-4-1071899824-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 28 20:48:44 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4F76A3BEC5; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 20:48:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 439 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 20:48:43 UTC DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:mime-version:content-type; bh=1TCY81GcMEuQQRK4UTfuK/FInQWVDfdWDw4fK4Ys8Lo=; b=x9iDYVgRquyyJomsWkPNMOsNf+BIMUgV3KIErooiKjsJ8H/HrCpvAaUhAyYitoxfrBPlB8J5wMo1kShEdYHwbCA7LHgCL3cGtkZSskw2nDmJU50Y0lujEg1U8GON46hSXZh8663pYiXg1DaYy0fH3Pp9MQrxvi+SmOtBKvc2kQ0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:mime-version:content-type; b=YNbbFQaCd1oOBKZ6KNZtqzGmpNGsN5bhHv17iXXkfRphGghbhEaBmwTRVG0Z1xsWtbxSG6s+AkZo55hDElbSx4Sb/rljhQ2XueZXWRqgFVC1KsMOpeCnd3+8V0Q9PV+xD8BcFh7JTnOTPjsFaw8h00im2GEb20Wlw5mjUHFOj5o= Message-ID: Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 12:41:23 -0800 From: "Neil Goldstein" To: "Per Boysen" Subject: taking suggestions for looping implementation for future versions of Live Cc: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_7628_25962310.1196282483604" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76741 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 20:48:44 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_7628_25962310.1196282483604 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline http://www.ableton.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=76055&start=60&sid=c7eb3cd28109e72fe10e617e4a2da1cb ------=_Part_7628_25962310.1196282483604 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline http://www.ableton.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=76055&start=60&sid=c7eb3cd28109e72fe10e617e4a2da1cb


        ------=_Part_7628_25962310.1196282483604-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 28 21:13:25 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 815F53BED0; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 21:13:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 1008 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 21:13:25 UTC DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=q0RbxlMKKxhhEQ5oAAimE71OwCbDOdtOj24XX168qM0=; b=BzAmo4o8Kxf2fu3qbsdiD+Uh0DRh1iESXfIGywZDBP19oDWH6F/iVL6Y2/0eQ8HmavhSaUlZjT/LOy44pu0SyN7sYxBeJYtnoqbRmHrT5oeJTWMq9oedKXAkyoZTphQueArfdrv5wi7IW5O/GybVGojI31enSSG+F5n9znqfwPA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=d3HAFN2tC/6vUYgxOUR7utjv7rSelI2AiY+JMluiUZr7nwaFppemmanyC5KoOv5ZbjDylYIH8mDHyHm62vPV4ySWp+JSwIFh0c4Nt0oMonSzdx4oFm8kysjpNEXYogvzStSQpkvzaRrxRz7uPfbVMRJtGSpDPRdri6d/ZQULpmA= Message-ID: <4759e5740711281249x42e0488ek4a82b63d4a9f2ae1@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 15:49:12 -0500 From: "todd reynolds" Reply-To: todd@toddreynolds.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: computers suck creative energy In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_5332_2832034.1196282952992" References: <86783.9999.qm@web35110.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <20071114114223.t6ckosxc8408888c@69.89.21.76> <003e01c8317b$8ce7d080$6401a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76742 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 21:13:25 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_5332_2832034.1196282952992 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline was it Dan Overholt? On 11/28/07, Matt Davignon wrote: > > I dunno - I'm completely dependent on tone-mangling effects. However I > do see a trend with many electronic musicians where the lure of all > the technological doodads provides too much of a distraction from > actual musicmaking. > > I saw a concert at CNMAT (Center for New Music and Technology) in > Berkeley last year that was a textbook case in this. The individual > had set up 6 gestural controllers in his violin, so that his computer > was changing and sampling the music he was playing in real time based > on the velocity and angle of the bow, the angle of the violin, the > pressure on the bow hair, etc. The resulting sound was a technological > marvel, but lacked any appeal beyond the "ooh - gadgets" factor. > > For the same reason, I've learned over the years to not be swayed by > the 'wowness' of new gear. I make an effort to only use electronics > that are directly productive, and that I have a good amount of control > over. I also have to keep an eye on myself, so I can rein it in when > I'm making too much of a sonic mess. > > I've noticed lately that some of the best 'weird' music that I listen > to isn't completely made of 'as weird as possible' sounds. A lot of > them also have some untreated instrumentation too. (I love the use of > marimba on some of Coil's recent albums.) That's another thing I've > been trying to take to heart, sort of like building a context by > including that sort of variety and dynamic. > > Matt Davignon > www.ribosomemusic.com > > On Nov 27, 2007 9:00 PM, Krispen Hartung wrote: > > > > > > It's liberating isn't it? For the last month, I have been looping with > just > > my clean jazz guitar sound, and my max/msp looper. I have been > concentrating > > on what I can do with just my instrument without the aid of tone > mangling > > effects, just the tone of the guitar and the power of the looper and its > > features. It occured to me how easy it is (at least for me) to make > decent > > sounding music with loads of effects as a artistic crutch...a few lush > > ambient fripp like patches, some long delays and modulation, granular > > synthesis, layers of effects and pitch, etc. After a while, my primary > > instrument is overshadowed, the love of my music life that has been with > me > > for 28 years. I find it much more interesting and challenging to work > with > > just my guitar tone now, and see what limits I can push, what boundaries > I > > can leap without the aid of the all so seductive tone mangling effect > > crutch. :) We'll see where this goes.... > > > > Kris > > > > > > > > -- http://www.toddreynolds.com |: http://myspace.com/toddreynoldsmusic |: ------------------------------------------------------|: 917.576.6166 todd@toddreynolds.com toddreyn@gmail.com ------=_Part_5332_2832034.1196282952992 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline was it Dan Overholt?

        On 11/28/07, Matt Davignon <mattdavignon@gmail.com> wrote:
        I dunno - I'm completely dependent on tone-mangling effects. However I
        do see a trend with many electronic musicians where the lure of all
        the technological doodads provides too much of a distraction from
        actual musicmaking.

        I saw a concert at CNMAT (Center for New Music and Technology) in
        Berkeley last year that was a textbook case in this. The individual
        had set up 6 gestural controllers in his violin, so that his computer
        was changing and sampling the music he was playing in real time based
        on the velocity and angle of the bow, the angle of the violin, the
        pressure on the bow hair, etc. The resulting sound was a technological
        marvel,  but lacked any appeal beyond the "ooh - gadgets" factor.

        For the same reason, I've learned over the years to not be swayed by
        the 'wowness' of new gear. I make an effort to only use electronics
        that are directly productive, and that I have a good amount of control
        over. I also have to keep an eye on myself, so I can rein it in when
        I'm making too much of a sonic mess.

        I've noticed lately that some of the best 'weird' music that I listen
        to isn't completely made of 'as weird as possible' sounds. A lot of
        them also have some untreated instrumentation too. (I love the use of
        marimba on some of Coil's recent albums.) That's another thing I've
        been trying to take to heart, sort of like building a context by
        including that sort of variety and dynamic.

        Matt Davignon
        www.ribosomemusic.com

        On Nov 27, 2007 9:00 PM, Krispen Hartung < khartung@cableone.net> wrote:
        >
        >
        > It's liberating isn't it?  For the last month, I have been looping with just
        > my clean jazz guitar sound, and my max/msp looper. I have been concentrating
        > on what I can do with just my instrument without the aid of tone mangling
        > effects, just the tone of the guitar and the power of the looper and its
        > features. It occured to me how easy it is (at least for me) to make decent
        > sounding music with loads of effects as a artistic crutch...a few lush
        > ambient fripp like patches, some long delays and modulation, granular
        > synthesis, layers of effects and pitch, etc. After a while, my primary
        > instrument is overshadowed, the love of my music life that has been with me
        > for  28 years. I find it much more interesting and challenging to work with
        > just my guitar tone now, and see what limits I can push, what boundaries I
        > can leap without the aid of the all so seductive tone mangling effect
        > crutch.  :)  We'll see where this goes....
        >
        > Kris
        >
        >
        >




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In-Reply-To: <00aa01c831d6$6b760c40$6401a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <86783.9999.qm@web35110.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <20071114114223.t6ckosxc8408888c@69.89.21.76> <003e01c8317b$8ce7d080$6401a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> <64b81a780711272108u60b45a0cp8432b8ea09655f58@mail.gmail.com> <00aa01c831d6$6b760c40$6401a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76743 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 21:27:55 +0000 (UTC) http://www.tunnelsinger.com/perform.htm "Providing one of the most spectacular views in the Bay Area, this World War II coastal defense facility has a tunnel with an 8-second natural acoustic reverberation. Ravens in Moonlight is recorded in this tunnel." TH > > BTW, what's the longest delay time you've experienced by shouting in a large > canyon or cave? > > Kris > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 28 21:47:17 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B9F173BECF; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 21:47:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=slE6VW1usneoG+nnr9rdc5zdh1T5BHcTWzMmja6Qy/o=; b=DsBYh7TZ1ruGJcsNaishHSOfR7CScdJDwio3AgKM7Ln4tmubF9rUTSaayAsM7r1ktNcBOu4Uu1t8bb1fGgmOvJz3htCKvjZVGGSVY1AvEt3ElT7m9T4IvUVkfzSOoOTDcyS/lz/wT0edlSDk07UDtN/1T9KwEjlZvdJu5kGZJYw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=jkSPYZCCyIzw5gVoIlnzM0dyyFQ2dFngRBzLAfiVjuuqsoqL2uC1RbsCmsR+J2mUUUIvL07KhcrNC8L69G9tCvUCElRtUglmwzdFXfqW1Wr0nkBNlKvmjZIK0J1vhetWYfWCFK9HAHCVSdx3D74/ODHNgr1qJEu3xoUM3WYjLvE= Message-ID: Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 22:47:15 +0100 From: "Raul Bonell" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Virtual Lo Fi Lazer live album shared - "computers to boost creativity" ;-) In-Reply-To: <9EEF2B50-8021-4319-8F15-8FC7E130AC41@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_8822_21809648.1196286435359" References: <615F3AFB-B4FF-485E-A94E-27D9CB121AD9@gmail.com> <9EEF2B50-8021-4319-8F15-8FC7E130AC41@gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76744 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 21:47:17 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_8822_21809648.1196286435359 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline i see... so, what the hell swedish consider contemporary (for me, swedish=people living in sweden)? i supose that is the same in all places regarding the new music. i'll read the jamendo article. it verses about this! great... so we are interested in aesthetics. also, i've attended some a priori "serious" contemporary festivals, where a guy hold sustained notes on an EWI, and that's all! he,he... but then always we come to that words that also have no meaning at all "musically"... now my friend and teacher markus would have said "could you be more specific?" uff. R. 2007/11/28, Per Boysen : > > On 28 nov 2007, at 14.13, Raul Bonell wrote: > > > first quick listening. > > nice contemporary sound ... > > > > hei guys, have you tried to jump to > > that level, i mean, trying to enroll > > in some serious contemporary festivals? > > > > the glitchy work by tryggve, which i supose is played live, > > is amazing... > > > Happy that you like the stuff. Yes, we mostly play serious festivals. > But here in Sweden that noisy style is not regarded mainly > "contemporary". It has been around for long time and have kind of > settled as an established format. But the challenge is in trying to > do it musically and with a firm content :-)) > > I posted a comment where I'm trying to pinpoint the background and > musical scenes that leads from 1920 up to todays confusion in genre > tagging: > http://www.jamendo.com/en/forums/discussion/2253/ > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > www.looproom.com (international) > http://www.youtube.com/pellibox (gritty) > > > > > -- The Playing Orchestra: http://www.telefonica.net/web2/tpo Chain Tape Collective: http://www.ct-collective.com TPO at myspace: http://www.myspace.com/theplayingorchestra ------=_Part_8822_21809648.1196286435359 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline i see... so, what the hell swedish consider contemporary (for me, swedish=people living in sweden)?
        i supose that is the same in all places regarding the new music.

        i'll read the jamendo article. it verses about this! great... so we are interested in aesthetics.

        also, i've attended some a priori "serious" contemporary festivals, where a guy hold sustained notes on an EWI, and that's all! he,he...

        but then always we come to that words that also have no meaning at all "musically"... now my friend and teacher markus would have said "could you be more specific?"

        uff.
        R.

        2007/11/28, Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com>:
        On 28 nov 2007, at 14.13, Raul Bonell wrote:

        > first quick listening.
        > nice contemporary sound ...
        >
        > hei guys, have you tried to jump to
        > that level, i mean, trying to enroll
        > in some serious contemporary festivals?
        >
        > the glitchy work by tryggve, which i supose is played live,
        > is amazing...


        Happy that you like the stuff. Yes, we mostly play serious festivals.
        But here in Sweden that noisy style is not regarded mainly
        "contemporary". It has been around for long time and have kind of
        settled as an established format. But the challenge is in trying to
        do it musically and with a firm content :-))

        I posted a comment where I'm trying to pinpoint the background and
        musical scenes that leads from 1920 up to todays confusion in genre
        tagging:
        http://www.jamendo.com/en/forums/discussion/2253/

        Greetings from Sweden

        Per Boysen
        www.boysen.se (Swedish)
        www.looproom.com (international)
        http://www.youtube.com/pellibox (gritty)







        --
        The Playing Orchestra: http://www.telefonica.net/web2/tpo
        Chain Tape Collective: http://www.ct-collective.com
        TPO at myspace: http://www.myspace.com/theplayingorchestra ------=_Part_8822_21809648.1196286435359-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 28 21:50:06 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 940B43BECF; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 21:50:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=cZvh00k9Ewp97hq/8jHJUYxhdAM7LCN7A2bT73rwPco=; b=D5U9T/S25ETfw5YuAr276EytVHYfLXysgkK3c6rbG1ZHEnfHLpti7whImttGMpAhwDqkf3ugmc/060RBCIT1niiSbbvPX2ReXcCo01w0LS/HnbPzM6HNZf7jNmcMy1qfOtXQbin7x0bNwdPW17Y9FXIhM7Gig5oMlOWfiUBsGOo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=kXuNfiJ2pFbn/h7bVNi+KPa5DamP1/0gGYNpJtDKoprP9c2zjcLpcSlkhdEHIE/wde1igDl4EquS6XL/MOnmjuXa/ajQtHvuHGcdgbd/0FXN3PrB15m/lz2plpY/51vieq7403c9byZC5RypCj3liEsw5TTSPK+UzN3RD++Mrts= Message-ID: Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 22:50:05 +0100 From: "Raul Bonell" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: computers suck creative energy In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_8833_2261155.1196286605372" References: <86783.9999.qm@web35110.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <20071114114223.t6ckosxc8408888c@69.89.21.76> <003e01c8317b$8ce7d080$6401a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> Resent-Message-ID: <_vzacD.A.KFE.OKeTHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76745 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 21:50:06 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_8833_2261155.1196286605372 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline As Per would have said... "words of wisdom". Ol=E9! Raul. 2007/11/28, Matt Davignon : > > I dunno - I'm completely dependent on tone-mangling effects. However I > do see a trend with many electronic musicians where the lure of all > the technological doodads provides too much of a distraction from > actual musicmaking. > > I saw a concert at CNMAT (Center for New Music and Technology) in > Berkeley last year that was a textbook case in this. The individual > had set up 6 gestural controllers in his violin, so that his computer > was changing and sampling the music he was playing in real time based > on the velocity and angle of the bow, the angle of the violin, the > pressure on the bow hair, etc. The resulting sound was a technological > marvel, but lacked any appeal beyond the "ooh - gadgets" factor. > > For the same reason, I've learned over the years to not be swayed by > the 'wowness' of new gear. I make an effort to only use electronics > that are directly productive, and that I have a good amount of control > over. I also have to keep an eye on myself, so I can rein it in when > I'm making too much of a sonic mess. > > I've noticed lately that some of the best 'weird' music that I listen > to isn't completely made of 'as weird as possible' sounds. A lot of > them also have some untreated instrumentation too. (I love the use of > marimba on some of Coil's recent albums.) That's another thing I've > been trying to take to heart, sort of like building a context by > including that sort of variety and dynamic. > > Matt Davignon > www.ribosomemusic.com > > On Nov 27, 2007 9:00 PM, Krispen Hartung wrote: > > > > > > It's liberating isn't it? For the last month, I have been looping with > just > > my clean jazz guitar sound, and my max/msp looper. I have been > concentrating > > on what I can do with just my instrument without the aid of tone > mangling > > effects, just the tone of the guitar and the power of the looper and it= s > > features. It occured to me how easy it is (at least for me) to make > decent > > sounding music with loads of effects as a artistic crutch...a few lush > > ambient fripp like patches, some long delays and modulation, granular > > synthesis, layers of effects and pitch, etc. After a while, my primary > > instrument is overshadowed, the love of my music life that has been wit= h > me > > for 28 years. I find it much more interesting and challenging to work > with > > just my guitar tone now, and see what limits I can push, what boundarie= s > I > > can leap without the aid of the all so seductive tone mangling effect > > crutch. :) We'll see where this goes.... > > > > Kris > > > > > > > > --=20 The Playing Orchestra: http://www.telefonica.net/web2/tpo Chain Tape Collective: http://www.ct-collective.com TPO at myspace: http://www.myspace.com/theplayingorchestra ------=_Part_8833_2261155.1196286605372 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline As Per would have said... "words of wisdom".
        Ol=E9!

        Rau= l.

        2007/11/28, Matt Davignon <mattdavignon@gmail.com>:
        I dunno - I'm= completely dependent on tone-mangling effects. However I
        do see a trend= with many electronic musicians where the lure of all
        the technological doodads provides too much of a distraction from
        ac= tual musicmaking.

        I saw a concert at CNMAT (Center for New Music and= Technology) in
        Berkeley last year that was a textbook case in this. The= individual
        had set up 6 gestural controllers in his violin, so that his computerwas changing and sampling the music he was playing in real time based
        = on the velocity and angle of the bow, the angle of the violin, the
        press= ure on the bow hair, etc. The resulting sound was a technological
        marvel,  but lacked any appeal beyond the "ooh - gadgets= " factor.

        For the same reason, I've learned over the years = to not be swayed by
        the 'wowness' of new gear. I make an effort = to only use electronics
        that are directly productive, and that I have a good amount of control<= br>over. I also have to keep an eye on myself, so I can rein it in when
        = I'm making too much of a sonic mess.

        I've noticed lately tha= t some of the best 'weird' music that I listen
        to isn't completely made of 'as weird as possible' sounds. = A lot of
        them also have some untreated instrumentation too. (I love the = use of
        marimba on some of Coil's recent albums.) That's another = thing I've
        been trying to take to heart, sort of like building a context by
        inc= luding that sort of variety and dynamic.

        Matt Davignon
        www.ribosomemusic.com

        On Nov 27, = 2007 9:00 PM, Krispen Hartung < khartung@cableone.net> wrot= e:
        >
        >
        > It's liberating isn't it?  For= the last month, I have been looping with just
        > my clean jazz guitar= sound, and my max/msp looper. I have been concentrating
        > on what I can do with just my instrument without the aid of tone m= angling
        > effects, just the tone of the guitar and the power of the l= ooper and its
        > features. It occured to me how easy it is (at least f= or me) to make decent
        > sounding music with loads of effects as a artistic crutch...a few = lush
        > ambient fripp like patches, some long delays and modulation, g= ranular
        > synthesis, layers of effects and pitch, etc. After a while,= my primary
        > instrument is overshadowed, the love of my music life that has bee= n with me
        > for  28 years. I find it much more interesting = and challenging to work with
        > just my guitar tone now, and see what = limits I can push, what boundaries I
        > can leap without the aid of the all so seductive tone mangling eff= ect
        > crutch.  :)  We'll see where this goes.= ...
        >
        > Kris
        >
        >
        >

        =


        --
        The Playing Orchestra: http://www.telefonica.net/web2/tpo
        Chain Tape Collective: http://www.ct-collective.com
        TP= O at myspace:=20 http://www.myspace.c= om/theplayingorchestra ------=_Part_8833_2261155.1196286605372-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 28 22:23:28 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DA4433BED9; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 22:23:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 1902 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 22:23:28 UTC Message-ID: <474DE2FB.1020105@imt.net> Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 14:51:55 -0700 From: Bob Weigel User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Bob Amstadt Cc: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Burned by Oberheim EDP... Todd Green having problems too References: <547346.63887.qm@web45303.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <00e701c831f2$b367cc70$5901a8c0@bobdell> In-Reply-To: <00e701c831f2$b367cc70$5901a8c0@bobdell> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76746 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 22:23:28 +0000 (UTC) It's one of these every time he tries to get these things going there's another problem. We had purchased a few of them to try to set up a stereo setup for his studio at least. He figured he'd just keep using the jamman units in performance since he's used to them and they are simpler to use in many ways for what he's doing. But the thought of getting nicer quality stereo was appealing and we started under the assumption that this could be done from what we were being told. Right now he calls me this AM telling me that brother sync isn't sync'ing and he's gone through the manuals and fiddled away his time trying to get it to sync right and it's not happening. He is using a stereo cable for the sync. But further he said every time he hits overdub or whatever to end a loop it installs a nice "pop" that is absolutely unacceptable in the loop at that location. If he punches out on the 5th beat...there it is sown in at that point etc. Anybody dealt with this problem off the top? I've had so little time with all the other stuff going on I haven't even started to delve into building the "Ideal looper" or whatever which some petty people thought it necessary to harang about the word useage on :-). Obviously I'm meaning 'ideal' or 'optimal' or whatever I said in the context of a working musician who wants the essential features expressed to be in place. If that's not someone elses idea of 'ultimate' then GREAT! Make your own ultimate looper and keep off my lawn! :-) That was it..I think I said 'ultimate'. The idea was to integrate every idea that anyone can think of that has practical value for a performing musician at this point in history, into a package that is easy to hook up and use, small, and has easy upgrade options. That's all. And I wish I had time to pursue the project but I've been getting too many weird jobs thrown at me in my regular work and it's been like the lousiest scenario possible for the last year here it seems in that way. On the other hand I did finish the studio upgrades here and I'm back on track starting to generate the songs I want to do again. Meanwhile if anyone has any tips on the EDP we might be able to get todd going that way or we might have to scrap the whole idea and do something else to accomplish that end. --Bob Bob Amstadt wrote: > Sounds like you are sold on going the computer path, but there are > other rack mount loopers other than the EDP that support MIDI sync. > > If you do go the computer path then I highly recommend dedicating a > computer solely to that purpose. This will allow you to strip the > computer of all annoying add-on packages that tend to make computers > unstable. The less that is installed on the computer the more > reliable it will be. In fact, if you get a stable configuration. I > would avoid automatic upgrade managers. I also wouldn't use it on the > network. Installing anti-virus software can be one of the worst > things that you do to a computer. > > I'd actually like to see Linux used more heavily in audio systems. > There is so much unnecessary garbage in Windows. > > Bob Amstadt From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 28 23:15:01 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 470473BEC5; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 23:15:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 766 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 23:15:00 UTC Message-ID: <474DF37B.4030602@servingpeace.com> Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 15:02:19 -0800 From: Sam Nilsson User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (Macintosh/20071031) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Burned by Oberheim EDP... Todd Green having problems too References: <547346.63887.qm@web45303.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <00e701c831f2$b367cc70$5901a8c0@bobdell> <474DE2FB.1020105@imt.net> In-Reply-To: <474DE2FB.1020105@imt.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76747 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 23:15:01 +0000 (UTC) Bob Weigel wrote: > But the thought of getting nicer quality stereo was appealing and we > started under the assumption that this could be done from what we were > being told. Right now he calls me this AM telling me that brother sync > isn't sync'ing and he's gone through the manuals and fiddled away his > time trying to get it to sync right and it's not happening. He is using > a stereo cable for the sync. Not sure if this relates to your stated problem, but I had trouble with syncing to EDPs. My experience with two Gibson EDPs running Loop IV software is that they would sync just fine using the "normal" looping commands. Once I started using the new Loop IV commands like loop resizing etc. (the commands that were originally bugs, then later reworked into features) the sync would not stay together but instead the units would drift apart over time. I didn't test it thoroughly so this is just my impression of what I was experiencing. I didn't find any solution so I decided to stick to mono looping. - Sam From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 28 23:21:41 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 884B43BED6; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 23:21:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <1196288904.474deb8816d47@webmail.musetrap.com> Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 16:28:24 -0600 From: cpr@musetrap.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Burned by Oberheim EDP... Todd Green having problems too References: <547346.63887.qm@web45303.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <00e701c831f2$b367cc70$5901a8c0@bobdell> <474DE2FB.1020105@imt.net> In-Reply-To: <474DE2FB.1020105@imt.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.2.2 X-Originating-IP: 208.49.125.142 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76748 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 23:21:41 +0000 (UTC) I read 'petty as 'pretty', and had to wonder which loopers he was talking about.. lol.. :) peace -cpr Quoting Bob Weigel : > Anybody dealt with this problem off the top? I've had so little time > with all the other stuff going on I haven't even started to delve into > building the "Ideal looper" or whatever which some petty people thought > it necessary to harang about the word useage on :-). Obviously I'm > meaning 'ideal' or 'optimal' or whatever I said in the context of a > working musician who wants the essential features expressed to be in > place. If that's not someone elses idea of 'ultimate' then GREAT! Make > your own ultimate looper and keep off my lawn! :-) That was it..I think > I said 'ultimate'. The idea was to integrate every idea that anyone can > think of that has practical value for a performing musician at this > point in history, into a package that is easy to hook up and use, small, > and has easy upgrade options. ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 28 23:48:39 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 94F4D3BECF; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 23:48:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <474DFE61.3040209@imt.net> Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 16:48:49 -0700 From: Bob Weigel User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Burned by Oberheim EDP... Todd Green having problems too References: <547346.63887.qm@web45303.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <00e701c831f2$b367cc70$5901a8c0@bobdell> <474DE2FB.1020105@imt.net> <1196288904.474deb8816d47@webmail.musetrap.com> In-Reply-To: <1196288904.474deb8816d47@webmail.musetrap.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76749 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 23:48:39 +0000 (UTC) Yeah I'm still single. If pretty people want to harang me that's a whole nuther thing :-). I understand how people get emotional/protective about things they've poured a lot of work into. Historically I've so far just poured work in and got nothing out so it's more like I just can't relate to that aspect I guess but like to think that I'd just keep trying to work with others and make something better yet because it's more about the people than the money or product with me. Which is probably why I never make any money on anything I design :-) Speaking of which after months of silence after notifying the people in the company doing the jack controller for RV's that I designed in a previous project...that someone else is claiming to have patent pending on the same device basically that I fully designed from the get go and got patent pending on prior.... they finally got back to me today and said they couldn't find the link for this company! I sent it to them and ..wow the wheels of progress move slow sometimes :-) Maybe we'll get a good lawsuit out of the deal at least. Who knows. The guys made some bad decisions and outvoted me and the other guy every time on things and the company and ran it out of money... Short version of the story...-Bob cpr@musetrap.com wrote: >I read 'petty as 'pretty', and had to wonder which loopers he was talking >about.. lol.. :) > >peace >-cpr >Quoting Bob Weigel : > > > >>Anybody dealt with this problem off the top? I've had so little time >>with all the other stuff going on I haven't even started to delve into >>building the "Ideal looper" or whatever which some petty people thought >>it necessary to harang about the word useage on :-). Obviously I'm >>meaning 'ideal' or 'optimal' or whatever I said in the context of a >>working musician who wants the essential features expressed to be in >>place. If that's not someone elses idea of 'ultimate' then GREAT! Make >>your own ultimate looper and keep off my lawn! :-) That was it..I think >>I said 'ultimate'. The idea was to integrate every idea that anyone can >>think of that has practical value for a performing musician at this >>point in history, into a package that is easy to hook up and use, small, >>and has easy upgrade options. >> >> > > >---------------------------------------------------------------- >This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 28 23:55:02 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 038073BEDA; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 23:55:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <017a01c8321a$15f6bf50$6401a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <86783.9999.qm@web35110.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <20071114114223.t6ckosxc8408888c@69.89.21.76> <003e01c8317b$8ce7d080$6401a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> <64b81a780711272108u60b45a0cp8432b8ea09655f58@mail.gmail.com> <00aa01c831d6$6b760c40$6401a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> Subject: Re: How far does looping go back? Farther than you think.... Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 16:54:59 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76750 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 23:55:01 +0000 (UTC) Wow! That's incredible. 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        From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 29 03:45:21 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A22773BEB0; Thu, 29 Nov 2007 03:45:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: From: Matthias Grob To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <166137.59717.qm@web38607.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Norwich Loopfest Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v915) Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 00:45:12 -0300 References: <166137.59717.qm@web38607.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.915) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at atarde.com.br Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76751 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 03:45:21 +0000 (UTC) thank you Luis! it was a shock for me too, I had understood that the license included brand and logo... its when the problems started... I think in a while there will be another machine with that logo ;-) On 19 Nov 2007, at 21:27, L.A. Angulo wrote: > Hey Michael nice to get a glance of your nice > toys,wow! > didnt know you owned one of the rare original paradis > loop delay echoplex unit,i wonder why they ever > changed its cool logo design way cooler than the > tasteless gibson! >> From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 29 04:28:29 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B40333BEC1; Thu, 29 Nov 2007 04:28:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 1054 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Thu, 29 Nov 2007 04:28:29 UTC Message-ID: <474E3BDC.7060306@hevanet.com> Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 20:11:08 -0800 From: David Auker User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (Windows/20071031) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Norwich Loopfest References: <166137.59717.qm@web38607.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76752 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 04:28:29 +0000 (UTC) I have a Gibson...where can I look to see what I'm missing logo-wise (from the original Oberheim)? David Matthias Grob wrote: > thank you Luis! > it was a shock for me too, I had understood that the license included > brand and logo... > its when the problems started... > > I think in a while there will be another machine with that logo ;-) > > On 19 Nov 2007, at 21:27, L.A. Angulo wrote: > >> Hey Michael nice to get a glance of your nice >> toys,wow! >> didnt know you owned one of the rare original paradis >> loop delay echoplex unit,i wonder why they ever >> changed its cool logo design way cooler than the >> tasteless gibson! >>> > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 29 06:00:37 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D94CF3BEB2; Thu, 29 Nov 2007 06:00:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 79690 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Thu, 29 Nov 2007 06:00:37 UTC DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=9ki0J0lySRh0XpLHA5YZcrv4y6NnC/mTQ8W6uQ8Lbf4=; b=eiIJo7NGTyHZWhv27iU/d1TSMVDE8bTY3AoLxozrVWQyskkaBaH2KQw3gCDCsLrhpFnHNFYS4lX8wCeJCZqbY1QLqB6hpTYnoWwJ1G7St2YCbS+5XY/b/fBrBMjUPe3NHlOa/L7hbzHLYNImxng/DYseDwT2gle7SyjWCy3+EUg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=URjzWpzLi4rdMx08WC8LCOcCTTCBsbzlnQ4u8YLXhDPL56eOfMHHcCTuzAAOLk5pdVuo7Y/p/o8XjKXgAAZ2rKe5slg8Qb5C9thtuWj3L4GfM7leAe4MJOJs2ityM9KVeSEJQ7ioNaFGRx6OPGWA1AsC0CGALgFVc/JOInzmCQw= Message-ID: Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 22:00:34 -0800 From: "Travis Hartnett" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Norwich Loopfest In-Reply-To: <474E3BDC.7060306@hevanet.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <166137.59717.qm@web38607.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <474E3BDC.7060306@hevanet.com> Resent-Message-ID: <7KHxyB.A.T_D.FWlTHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76753 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 06:00:37 +0000 (UTC) No, both the Oberheim and the beige Gibson are homely. Here's a picture of the cute design: http://www.loopers-delight.com/tools/LoopDelay/paradis.html On Nov 28, 2007 8:11 PM, David Auker wrote: > I have a Gibson...where can I look to see what I'm missing logo-wise > (from the original Oberheim)? > > David From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 29 07:15:15 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8C4BD3BEB3; Thu, 29 Nov 2007 07:15:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <474E6710.9090409@hevanet.com> Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 23:15:28 -0800 From: David Auker User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (Windows/20071031) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Norwich Loopfest References: <166137.59717.qm@web38607.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <474E3BDC.7060306@hevanet.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76754 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 07:15:15 +0000 (UTC) Some history on that page...thanks. Speaking of artwork, LOOPER'S DELIGHT logo itself is pretty danged pretty! Travis Hartnett wrote: > No, both the Oberheim and the beige Gibson are homely. Here's a > picture of the cute design: > > http://www.loopers-delight.com/tools/LoopDelay/paradis.html > > > > On Nov 28, 2007 8:11 PM, David Auker wrote: > >> I have a Gibson...where can I look to see what I'm missing logo-wise >> (from the original Oberheim)? >> >> David >> > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 29 07:36:20 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B779C3BEC2; Thu, 29 Nov 2007 07:36:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; bh=TrqY3EgHm4XPXAYUsOD13GEdrpS4fiCfULV9lAbKm0w=; b=ZBP8hphSul6IIovCWCQQFtgd7bNom28W5psPeC6B/pmXX34FfsHt8D2D1klhqH4rdkI6c6wSnSzxVPOWZCNrzocviS9kqIEvZVdYcJq0cd//5P2WPR9oSTPZI5UeSJgz5GHxrZLp+AEW2vDIbhl2B9UU7ov4uz/Zh56Dn8cX5m4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=I8aFlk4I5Km6R6a2FXBl49JAoA+ZqNGrUxMlBQ6WMW4kfvCXteSpsVvJ4ZCt//KVTM+yzSNHdVt5zARnubFEnxijyL0uz04JIoXAUIXWDHLkg1SrxT1EiVVNqJ6/Fi43jcpOTYGP0RxrglkMxnxrVpdGsGwvBzDSp1b5I2/9BEY= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: References: <615F3AFB-B4FF-485E-A94E-27D9CB121AD9@gmail.com> <9EEF2B50-8021-4319-8F15-8FC7E130AC41@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <9E4F4924-D079-4DF9-A3D3-E97D87E2D75E@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Virtual Lo Fi Lazer live album shared - "computers to boost creativity" ;-) Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 08:36:15 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76755 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 07:36:20 +0000 (UTC) On 28 nov 2007, at 22.47, Raul Bonell wrote: > i see... so, what the hell swedish consider contemporary (for me, > swedish=people living in sweden)? > i supose that is the same in all places regarding the new music. Here's what a dictionary says about the word "contemporary": >> Dating from the same time. Example: "these series of paintings are >> contemporary with other works in an earlier style. > so we are interested in aesthetics. Definitely! I see no conflict about music and philosophy. To me the act of playing music is the practical application of philosophical theory. And the cool thing with music is that it works even if you don't care about the theoretical view. > also, i've attended some a priori "serious" contemporary festivals, > where a guy hold sustained notes on an EWI, and that's all! he,he... Ha, ha... funny point. "Serious" is a dangerous word, but I use it as for what the word actually means. So I regard a festival or a concert serious when the people behind it have a certain agenda except for simply putting on a happening and gather as big audience as possible. > but then always we come to that words that also have no meaning at > all "musically"... now my friend and teacher markus would have said > "could you be more specific?" My apologizes! I didn't think I would have to define the word "musically" on this list where mostly musicians hang out ;-) What I mean with "musical" is just that the music brings some sort of statement, that the movements have well defined directions etc. In other words: when sounds are ordered in a way that brings a meaning to it, then it is music. If sounds are not ordered, then it is noise. Having said all this, there is a need for a little disclaimer. Chaotic, unordered sounds (noise) can be musical too if presented in a certain context that invites the listener to experience it as musical. For example, look to Eno, Cage and like-minded. In this case the lack of order and lack of statement becomes The Statement. So I still subscribe to my main idea that A Statement is what makes something "musical". Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://www.youtube.com/pellibox (gritty) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 29 07:51:51 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F1DA13BEC1; Thu, 29 Nov 2007 07:51:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-priority:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; bh=V247SSRxeaGLGvArwegFyzIHFVhBvCb9gHKsa8BO1sc=; b=FZV/RaPBXnS8znFYDSgPQHsLtgQMsWELQdFwE2q7PwVMywjYFhPMHb+15TFyZJzp4wnwB3aKl0YV8xGXOezUDieoOLILo6409gwl8z5mRpp53MxgLDDnRN2eig1k0TTn6W52z2SzLPUIcojt6zegeyC6LACAq+k1W2/XlJBFhq0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=received:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-priority:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=me3dto+qoqh6BuElvWBW1wYHa5eEtUGQ7PF3CYKRLSIsHd2+LtEZeRMFnqah0jirqICgNXigI6FdkM5F5/dg4HhQtgemfkjrb7EXezG//Kx2mntNvVbNV8ywZ0ulLX9lVZv301TgJWgh21U9FB/CtaB5UWs++WT+Qk6f3McRuj4= In-Reply-To: <017a01c8321a$15f6bf50$6401a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> References: <86783.9999.qm@web35110.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <20071114114223.t6ckosxc8408888c@69.89.21.76> <003e01c8317b$8ce7d080$6401a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> <64b81a780711272108u60b45a0cp8432b8ea09655f58@mail.gmail.com> <00aa01c831d6$6b760c40$6401a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> <017a01c8321a$15f6bf50$6401a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <28E697ED-2407-4BA9-87C4-FA73AC51B1DD@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: How far does looping go back? Farther than you think.... Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 08:51:41 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76756 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 07:51:50 +0000 (UTC) Yes, truly amazing! Is it possible for anyone to enter that tunnel? Here in Sweden I have lately heard about the Urban Exploring movement. People explore forgotten areas of cities and document these odd places on web sites. Stockholm has many tunnels, some that got dug out many hundred years ago (that's why we have so many rats here but almost never see them on the surface). Nothing like the catacombs under Paris of course and not a very impressive acoustic reverberation down there. Never the less fascinating. per > Wow! That's incredible. > > Kris > > ----- Original Message ----- >> http://www.tunnelsinger.com/perform.htm >> >> "Providing one of the most spectacular views in the Bay Area, this >> World War II coastal defense facility has a tunnel with an 8-second >> natural acoustic reverberation. >> Ravens in Moonlight is recorded in this tunnel." >> >> TH >> >>> >>> BTW, what's the longest delay time you've experienced by shouting >>> in a large >>> canyon or cave? >>> >>> Kris From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 29 07:54:08 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 01C403BEC2; Thu, 29 Nov 2007 07:54:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; bh=/XJHFaDDUDE+z2CnIkkNphJJdExKc+bA+ULkcX0njl0=; b=YWuSW/GbF9WtEmlH1GCZ3wrYpmuPCgHgNovtLmREjSSD0PY8OYmd54G8dfmz/Y6lxeglKMA5lieTDCMdAPtdEFV3t6rT6GQtEpcWSVBVSxW+qeQgAXcvIekQcuJumgm94pKtWokIhoEWgc8EOX9zbOM8xzEHqu9rOnwg0aKdSSw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=G8PG9h9BoI8MyJImikE4r3tj/JI0sb+BlzZma+uQsc7ANetKtOqVuXhSZQZy/S5E5taM7Gh5qoYk3xyh6WMzraDe1aGXZsX5sTcVGg49VBA8zCzWEGoot6eWclYM23W3VU+o4ckc6rOR7WuB9vWKLlpLl/2p6FJ06oWlYdhOfvw= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: References: <166137.59717.qm@web38607.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <8D1B57DA-23AA-4166-A1F8-5821BABE81B3@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Norwich Loopfest Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 08:54:00 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76757 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 07:54:07 +0000 (UTC) On 29 nov 2007, at 04.45, Matthias Grob wrote: > I think in a while there will be another machine with that logo ;-) Care to elaborate? Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://www.youtube.com/pellibox (gritty) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 29 08:32:16 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9E19B3BEB8; Thu, 29 Nov 2007 08:32:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=bQ6TSxRroMjhq2VyEZHT4RH5JgLgGRlRBQ/WprSbLHrfL1U7pz+ERQLZlioeokrAJ4hYnKX4aiW3lF/j9JUlwPlpjj3Ubn9JGxaCrsF9DVsUE0Qhu/n4LXYgcWtozi2t4N/07SgYYJwqtYcHtpO96UEcdbSgHqcCDnCmd8cxx2g=; X-YMail-OSG: G596aOAVM1nHc2VrsVD5Nljs44EEkRAJeilx5h6QUBmHmCTYkqAtfmpqO8Be_pZh3S6i3qNeJAb4IF4CvLo36jzQOpZEpV5Uf5BFPyLG6Q0w7oPzGBQ- Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 00:32:13 -0800 (PST) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: Re: Burned by Oberheim EDP... Todd Green having problems too To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <474DF37B.4030602@servingpeace.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <146710.9209.qm@web38603.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76758 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 08:32:16 +0000 (UTC) Sam my experience has been the same! But i will hold on to the second one until i can afford a gordius controller to control them separately cheers Luis > > My experience with two Gibson EDPs running Loop IV > software is that they > would sync just fine using the "normal" looping > commands. Once I started > using the new Loop IV commands like loop resizing > etc. (the commands > that were originally bugs, then later reworked into > features) the sync > would not stay together but instead the units would > drift apart over > time. I didn't test it thoroughly so this is just my > impression of what > I was experiencing. I didn't find any solution so I > decided to stick to > mono looping. > > - Sam > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom ____________________________________________________________________________________ Get easy, one-click access to your favorites. Make Yahoo! your homepage. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 29 08:39:22 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0B98B3BEB8; Thu, 29 Nov 2007 08:39:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=MUZ2GEeXDMHLWpq5hdGB14sTTERjH6/m6qOHckAPCfdprsuUBickfpNfqSDIIn/stKF87+D6ldWAszjlU874B4bJntXh9ZERhc6qrl3mITeBi1j1sAdiPKzjcahEIUFjLN80EN/1T7KUhoXOZRPbgWBp8K1YCiI6mVprW//8ebQ=; X-YMail-OSG: FvcCwGYVM1k8FkSSaWjPHZ1xk329_EGZ0FjKOPr0YNHuOtdoN1c.oGK0NkrL1mAcepE3RN6K9wrDWsE2WvrCULr6m7_Ohlkthqnf5PZw5Uxd7jnOQg4- Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 00:39:19 -0800 (PST) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: Re: computers suck creative energy To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <851589.59237.qm@web38614.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76759 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 08:39:22 +0000 (UTC) Same here,ive been just playing with the acoustic through the EDP lately,naked fun! Luis > > > > > > It's liberating isn't it? For the last month, I > have been looping with > > just > > > my clean jazz guitar sound, and my max/msp > looper. I have been > > concentrating > > > on what I can do with just my instrument without > the aid of tone > > mangling > > > effects, just the tone of the guitar and the > power of the looper and its > > > features. It occured to me how easy it is (at > least for me) to make > > decent > > > sounding music with loads of effects as a > artistic crutch...a few lush > > > ambient fripp like patches, some long delays and > modulation, granular > > > synthesis, layers of effects and pitch, etc. > After a while, my primary > > > instrument is overshadowed, the love of my music > life that has been with > > me > > > for 28 years. I find it much more interesting > and challenging to work > > with > > > just my guitar tone now, and see what limits I > can push, what boundaries > > I > > > can leap without the aid of the all so seductive > tone mangling effect > > > crutch. :) We'll see where this goes.... > > > > > > Kris > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > The Playing Orchestra: > http://www.telefonica.net/web2/tpo > Chain Tape Collective: http://www.ct-collective.com > TPO at myspace: > http://www.myspace.com/theplayingorchestra > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom ____________________________________________________________________________________ Never miss a thing. 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Connect now! = --_7ff22db0-5e3a-4069-8e1d-7cc2868a47d1_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 29 09:12:21 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B5E3D3BEC2; Thu, 29 Nov 2007 09:12:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 632543515-mk-filter-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com-B2C-$THROTTLED-DYNAMIC-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 79.74.198.220 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Aq4HAC4RTkdPSsbc/2dsb2JhbACCJgSOaJYb Message-ID: <474E8275.6060402@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 09:12:21 +0000 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Burned by Oberheim EDP... Luis References: <146710.9209.qm@web38603.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <146710.9209.qm@web38603.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <_l0t8C.A.6hB.0JoTHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76761 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 09:12:21 +0000 (UTC) L.A. Angulo wrote: > Sam my experience has been the same! > But i will hold on to the second one until i can > afford a gordius controller to control them separately > cheers > Luis > you can do it with the fcb1010 as long as you give up the option to run in stereo. Change the SOURCE# parameter on one of the edps so the range of the controls does no overlap also I had an idea to improve the sync which you might like to try instead. I didn't get to try it yet. Use a midi splitter to connect the fcb to the 2 edps instead of chaining them. Don't know, but that may help the de-syncing. ( because then each edp gets exactly the same signal at exactly the same time ) andy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 29 09:53:09 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DD15D3BEB3; Thu, 29 Nov 2007 09:53:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=lKEIZiLg/YYlckDLW+ky0NHJPuXLMiGIMVWLQkBVEp0BWVMjrGqW8OY76Fh/UjI/z/ynzRn2MHrKQ4AfmqxHi/BSiKvuiiNyT+apqCby9dmBnJt2szGw28HJ3rsWvFJzm63mdAGI6c/E/hUgK6OGwUaiaFVh54wtVT4Uls9ZS2I=; X-YMail-OSG: iTNijwMVM1m9LVHiRO9S2zjiHQjYHEjBbKNTtQAMan5sOBL8LICqokY96GBoq3fNk9JKHfE8W_6wIKsIoUXoWx2uNcVC8Azd2Vkxzqjy_Aua2i8cFCQ- Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 01:53:08 -0800 (PST) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: Re: Burned by Oberheim EDP... Luis To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <474E8275.6060402@tiscali.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <871614.9522.qm@web38602.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: <-IUZ-D.A.aqC.FwoTHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76762 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 09:53:09 +0000 (UTC) Andy Thanx!I never used a midi splitter,can you suggest one that might work? Luis --- andy butler wrote: > L.A. Angulo wrote: > > Sam my experience has been the same! > > But i will hold on to the second one until i can > > afford a gordius controller to control them > separately > > cheers > > Luis > > > > you can do it with the fcb1010 as long as you give > up the > option to run in stereo. > > Change the SOURCE# parameter on one of the edps so > the > range of the controls does no overlap > > also I had an idea to improve the sync which you > might > like to try instead. > I didn't get to try it yet. > Use a midi splitter to connect the fcb to the 2 edps > instead of chaining them. > > Don't know, but that may help the de-syncing. > ( because then each edp gets exactly the same signal > at exactly the same time ) > > > > andy > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better pen pal. Text or chat with friends inside Yahoo! Mail. See how. http://overview.mail.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 29 10:16:17 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E2B103BECF; Thu, 29 Nov 2007 10:16:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; bh=NQeJiCqBoC2mWDyfKtNsmW0i7SGwvSoQbRGhO/ffgFs=; b=RHkqR1Xq0qJ8DWYzcaU+KEOae2ABV1dCPtinVCLJ15zWPh5mKrDSOy/MSTYHyHBb+LGX9YKfLms36xZ+mYupE3VsZGHs3S7zYzX7vqxGnhDmrUXGFzSrQ/zuRiU0WAWv7lPF7p9Rdqd2xykoYQeYw/IRipF5KLcUfjdG0UKwMS4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=ZWei8v58CPEUgCc1b5LHyI4xFJviIkXlFBC24L3f/hQ9gihNAUBy7xfRxazF3PgHuYx55l9+DHCX88hbnL4dCeD1ztixW8a4KNBG4tgtOn5V/W/kgy/kNNZ03bCj6kfWHU0D437F+4bATpA+1B+yg87QdVO8aEVwwLQJdYjZE2o= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <851589.59237.qm@web38614.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <851589.59237.qm@web38614.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: computers suck creative energy Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 11:16:12 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76763 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 10:16:17 +0000 (UTC) Don't blame just computers! Anything with a bad user interface sucks creative energy! I have many times experienced this with music instruments (guitars, saxophones, flutes) that were simply not good. Unfortunately I wasn't very good and experienced at playing by that time so it took me years to realize that the low creativity was caused by using a bad instrument (a Catch 22 situation where you learn in a slow and hard way). But, today I can walk into any music store and pick the best instruments within minutes just by playing a couple of notes and listening to them. Not to mention my EDP when I first unpacked it and looked into the LOOp 3 manual - it was like staring at hieroglyphs from outer space - total creativity ground zero hit ;-)) Same when I exchanged my four-track cassette porta- studio for an eight-track 1/4 reel-to-reel tape recorder - immediate loss of creative flow. What is specific with computers is that they are extremely customizable tools. This is not true for instruments. Instruments work and you play them. Then you get better at playing them. Making music becomes easier with each day. You just can't compare "computers" with playing real instruments. The only fair comparison would be to look to "a working software looping setup on a properly configured computer". I would fully agree that "setting up a computer suck creative energy"! But using it, when finally set up, that's just amazingly creative IMHO. Never the less I'm finding the subject line amusing ;-)) Great thread. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://www.youtube.com/pellibox (gritty) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 29 11:32:09 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9FC4E3BEB8; Thu, 29 Nov 2007 11:32:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 06:29:10 -0500 From: Bill Fox Subject: Listen to Afterglow and Galactic Travels To: undisclosed-recipients: ; Message-id: <474EA286.5050501@soundscapes.us> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.12 (Windows/20070509) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76764 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 11:32:09 +0000 (UTC) AFTERGLOW ON WMUH: http://soundscapes.us/afterglow ======================================================================= Afterglow airs from 8:00 am to 9:30 am every Thursday morning. Tune in for a delightful mix of eclectic musical genres including a healthy dose of Progressive Rock. Tune in at 91.7 FM or on the internet at: http://muhlenberg.edu/wmuh GALACTIC TRAVELS ON WDIY: http://galactictravels.info ======================================================================= Tonight at 11 pm on Galactic Travels, I'll conclude the month-long Special focus on Paul Ellis from Washington state. The Featured CD at Midnight will be "The Infinity Room" on Groove Unlimited Records. For details, see the Special Focus page at: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2007/focus.html#nov I will be playing an interview with Radio Massacre International who recently came over from the UK to play at The Gatherings concert series. Galactic Travels is an electronic, ambient, and space music show that airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg, 93.7 FM in Fogelsville and Trexlertown, on the internet, and in High Definition Radio at 88.1 FM. ====================================================================== All times are EST / GMT-5. Listen on-line to WDIY at http://wdiy.org and click LISTEN or go directly to: http://rm1.refugemedia.com/ramgen/encoder/wdiy.rm Listen on-line to WMUH at http://www.muhlenberg.edu/wmuh and click the REAL AUDIO link or go directly to: rtsp://helix.muhlenberg.edu:554/broadcast/live.rm From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 29 11:37:26 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 585C13BECC; Thu, 29 Nov 2007 11:37:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-SBRS: None X-SenderGroup: RELAYLIST X-MailFlowPolicy: $RELAYED X-MID: 824263693 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: How far does looping go back? Farther than you think.... Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 11:37:20 -0000 Message-ID: <1BB076E4C332F9469148F41725F17A720647BD6E@MTVNE-EXCLUST02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> In-Reply-To: <017a01c8321a$15f6bf50$6401a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: How far does looping go back? Farther than you think.... Thread-Index: AcgyfDNxwcLH0ciJSte9bgsHJ2wdFw== References: <017a01c8321a$15f6bf50$6401a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Goddard, Duncan" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 Nov 2007 11:37:20.0975 (UTC) FILETIME=[33FF1DF0:01C8327C] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76765 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 11:37:26 +0000 (UTC) I reckon campanology counts as looping, although it's also a form of sequencing..... "ringing the changes"..... how many years does it take to go through all the possible permutations of ringing 12 bells? can it be done with less than three people? & so on..... on another note, did edison (or more likely, emil berliner) ever encounter a locked groove during their early sound-recording experiments? did it ever happen with the disc recorders that prevailed before WW2? did anyone (a young les paul, perhaps?) lark about with it for musical effect? duncan. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 29 12:14:41 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 40E9C3BEC7; Thu, 29 Nov 2007 12:14:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 13:14:38 +0100 From: "Buzap Buzap" In-Reply-To: <00aa01c831d6$6b760c40$6401a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> Message-ID: <20071129121438.122300@gmx.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <86783.9999.qm@web35110.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <20071114114223.t6ckosxc8408888c@69.89.21.76> <003e01c8317b$8ce7d080$6401a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> <64b81a780711272108u60b45a0cp8432b8ea09655f58@mail.gmail.com> <00aa01c831d6$6b760c40$6401a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> Subject: Re: How far does looping go back? Farther than you think.... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Authenticated: #33233833 X-Flags: 0001 X-Mailer: WWW-Mail 6100 (Global Message Exchange) X-Priority: 3 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX19IqHlNZWFIaP1Sqfm4wOEYqgvL4VfU0ZK189K6TD G4JvV5J8661MbuKt+Ergnw8DVks0+EBMi/TA== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-GMX-UID: eMg8Z6JOeSEqXsh4kHUhpmB+IGRvbwCB Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76766 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 12:14:41 +0000 (UTC) IMO one aspect of looping can be considered as the industrial world rationalization of circle songs and group improvisation to one person. -- Psssst! Schon vom neuen GMX MultiMessenger gehört? Der kann`s mit allen: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/multimessenger From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 29 12:25:59 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 51CFD3BEB8; Thu, 29 Nov 2007 12:25:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 13:25:57 +0100 From: "Buzap Buzap" Message-ID: <20071129122557.122300@gmx.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Soundcraft Compact Mixers good for Looping? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Authenticated: #33233833 X-Flags: 0001 X-Mailer: WWW-Mail 6100 (Global Message Exchange) X-Priority: 3 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1/HyR4deOXHNVf98YilRvBpOVcMq0x56tn0tkbqh5 gey2j3VztBRfEPFerSAcrip9TMtUsdV5g4tg== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-GMX-UID: 4Z18dPcYPTR+GJ4oyjMwji85c2tpZAsD Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76767 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 12:25:59 +0000 (UTC) Hi folks I'm just looking for a small, portable, affordable mixer for looping based live stereo setup with active PA. I kind of liked the Soundcraft Compact 4 Mixer. First, the Compact 4/10 are setup for recording, so sound quality shouldn't be too bad. And especially, what I liked is the fact that the whole setup sort of has two stereo Aux busses with stereo routing to Play/Record/Monitor outputs. Drawback on the Compact 4 seem to be the Chinch inputs (yuck). But I have quite a few high quality Instrument-to-Chinch cables left over I could use. I don't need it at all for recording. I would just use it for live situations. The alternative is to get the Soundcraft Compact 4 versus Tapco Blend 6 What do you think? Any good? Do you think I can use the Monitor Out feature in "Mono" mode to send a sterea signal sum to a mono FX? Here is the web page: http://www.soundcraft.com/product_sheet.asp?product_id=121 Here is a good picture (1MB): http://www.soundcraft.com/download.asp?filename=images/products/product_sheet/compact/compact_4_10_front_high.jpg Here is a SoundOnSound Review of Compact 4: http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/jul04/articles/soundcraftcompact.htm Tapco Blend 6 Mixer for Comparison: http://www.tapcoworld.com/products/blend6/index.html Rgds Buzap -- Der GMX SmartSurfer hilft bis zu 70% Ihrer Onlinekosten zu sparen! Ideal für Modem und ISDN: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/smartsurfer From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 29 12:28:47 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DE2443BECD; Thu, 29 Nov 2007 12:28:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 13:28:46 +0100 From: "Buzap Buzap" In-Reply-To: <20071129122557.122300@gmx.net> Message-ID: <20071129122846.186220@gmx.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20071129122557.122300@gmx.net> Subject: Re: Soundcraft Compact Mixers good for Looping? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Authenticated: #33233833 X-Flags: 0001 X-Mailer: WWW-Mail 6100 (Global Message Exchange) X-Priority: 3 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX19LnFk/QLxLiC0v5MrdJPJ2bK6mzbI7E89oQLIIhU JhjWEw+0Cet3MidPRh8n8YjSXVq2mIeICWSA== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-GMX-UID: SoJ3f4h9YW0tQs1ommdp73B8amthc1vH Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76768 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 12:28:47 +0000 (UTC) ... I should add that besides the Soundcraft Compact 4 and the Tapco Blend 6, most small-sized Mixers don't work for my purposes due to this: Most of them only have POST-fader Aux Sends. But what I mostly need is PRE-fader (actually it's PRE-fader, but ideally POST-eq) Aux sends... Buzap -- GMX FreeMail: 1 GB Postfach, 5 E-Mail-Adressen, 10 Free SMS. Alle Infos und kostenlose Anmeldung: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/freemail From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 29 12:45:45 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1E4AB3BEB9; Thu, 29 Nov 2007 12:45:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=4V1gFyUy61kC2xVzAo/EvGnNqVeXtNfUC3i1xkPxuqc=; b=qy3mAeUZX0FKPs+zLmWlTYFFRYL/7GVJlR67KJUT59NMxfi4qIJhg8d0pc5ja2lWLb6cRy9LlHagZ6f+z6kllDMQdJcPgcqEdqSDjW1gBLSlPMs5zlP61cYhiomVi8EjTegdExDPDheRHexDLAkliqxNT9URPBmnhzteAxUmAWg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=iodbM1mjYAXTWjpw6PKiuxDfwuIYAp6bmy0TrYljSArFUsJib+SkygOS5eaL4LuFCxPO3UXxbtpS8xB0Pzgy3pbt81Wnla8rsdo5chkCBuEeDM7pCUyMXslxyMN859LOwPwFqwPYqgsxpoK6l59zXsrSe/5tohxtyBUYjRceHLQ= Message-ID: Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 13:45:42 +0100 From: "Raul Bonell" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Norwich Loopfest In-Reply-To: <658179.53443.qm@web38613.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_10810_26539819.1196340342266" References: <658179.53443.qm@web38613.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76769 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 12:45:45 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_10810_26539819.1196340342266 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline hi michael "one man band" peters, regarding the rythms in your set... .. did you used some type of hardware sequencer or it was a laptop?... since you commented that they were prepared a priori. thanks, ra=FCl. 2007/11/20, L.A. Angulo : > > Michael just wanted to tell you how much i am enjoying > your music!very nice man are all the drum grooves > programmed and coming out of your vintage keys? > thanx for sharing > Luis > > > > 2007/11/20, L.A. Angulo : > > > > > > Hey Michael nice to get a glance of your nice > > > toys,wow! > > > didnt know you owned one of the rare original > > paradise > > > loop delay echoplex unit,i wonder why they ever > > > changed its cool logo design way cooler than the > > > tasteless gibson! > > > I will soon be checking out your music > > > rock on! > > > Luis > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- Michael Peters wrote: > > > > > > > The Norwich Livelooping festival is just over. > > > > Thanks bunches to Andy Butler > > > > who organized it! > > > > > > > > Andy will later post recordings of all > > participants > > > > of this festival on > > > > andybutler.com. > > > > > > > > For those who can't wait, here are the > > recordings of > > > > my own efforts. > > > > Feedback (100% for loopers) appreciated. > > > > > > > > http://www.michaelpeters.de/livelooping2007.htm > > > > > > > > The page contains a link to the Improvizone > > download > > > > page containing the > > > > first segments of our collective improvisation > > of > > > > Nov 14 in London, and > > > > below that, the three parts of my set at the > > Norwich > > > > Festival on Nov 17 > > > > (stream / download) > > > > > > > > Michael > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________________= ___________ > > > Be a better sports nut! Let your teams follow you > > > with Yahoo Mobile. Try it now. > > > > > > http://mobile.yahoo.com/sports;_ylt=3DAt9_qDKvtAbMuh1G1SQtBI7ntAcJ > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > The Playing Orchestra: > > http://www.telefonica.net/web2/tpo > > Chain Tape Collective: http://www.ct-collective.com > > TPO at myspace: > > http://www.myspace.com/theplayingorchestra > > > > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom > > > > ___________________________________________________________________= _________________ > Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. > http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs > > --=20 The Playing Orchestra: http://www.telefonica.net/web2/tpo Chain Tape Collective: http://www.ct-collective.com TPO at myspace: http://www.myspace.com/theplayingorchestra ------=_Part_10810_26539819.1196340342266 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline hi michael "one man band" peters,

        regarding the rythms in = your set...
        .. did you used some type of hardware sequencer
        or it was= a laptop?... since you commented that
        they were prepared a priori.

        thanks,
        ra=FCl.

        2007/11/20, = L.A. Angulo <labaloops@yahoo.com<= /a>>:
        Michael just wanted to tell you how much i am enjoying
        your music!very n= ice man are all the drum grooves
        programmed and coming out of your vinta= ge keys?
        thanx for sharing
        Luis
        >
        > 2007/11/20, L.A. Angu= lo <         labaloops@yahoo.com>:
        >= >
        > > Hey Michael nice to get a glance of your nice
        > &g= t; toys,wow!
        > > didnt know you owned one of the rare original
        > paradise
        > > loop delay echoplex unit,i wonder why they ever<= br>> > changed its cool logo design way cooler than the
        > > = tasteless gibson!
        > > I will soon be checking out your music
        > > rock on!
        > > Luis
        > >
        > >
        > >=
        > >
        > > --- Michael Peters <mp@mpeters.de> wrote:
        > >
        > > > The Nor= wich Livelooping festival is just over.
        > > > Thanks bunches to Andy Butler
        > > > who orga= nized it!
        > > >
        > > > Andy will later post recordin= gs of all
        > participants
        > > > of this festival on
        > > > andybutler.com.
        >= ; > >
        > > > For those who can't wait, here are the> recordings of
        > > > my own efforts.
        > > > Fee= dback (100% for loopers) appreciated.
        > > >
        > > > http://www.michaelpeters.de/livelooping2007.htm> > >
        > > > The page contains a link to the Improviz= one
        > download
        > > > page containing the
        > > > f= irst segments of our collective improvisation
        > of
        > > > = Nov 14 in London, and
        > > > below that, the three parts of my s= et at the
        > Norwich
        > > > Festival on Nov 17
        > > > (st= ream / download)
        > > >
        > > > Michael
        > > &= gt;
        > > >
        > > >
        > >
        > >
        > &= gt;=20 www.myspace.com/luisangulo= com
        > >
        > >
        > >
        > >
        >
        ____= ___________________________________________________________________________= _____
        > > Be a better sports nut!  Let your teams follow you<= br>> > with Yahoo Mobile. Try it now.
        > >
        >
        htt= p://mobile.yahoo.com/sports;_ylt=3DAt9_qDKvtAbMuh1G1SQtBI7ntAcJ
        > >
        > >
        >
        >
        > --
        > The Playi= ng Orchestra:
        > http:/= /www.telefonica.net/web2/tpo
        > Chain Tape Collective: http://www.ct-collective.com
        > TPO at myspace:
        > http://www.myspace.com/theplay= ingorchestra
        >


        www.myspace.com/luisangulocom


             =  _____________________________________________________________________= _______________
        Never miss a thing.  Make Yahoo your home page= .
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        From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 29 13:16:41 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BE82F3BEC1; Thu, 29 Nov 2007 13:16:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 388 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Thu, 29 Nov 2007 13:16:41 UTC DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=pVVQn7XF1JhAcuJVDfeeIlehBFicUDHHGxUTm37fGB4=; b=xvXsZDMtTEbZrDOUGRc2GLLWrVTgGLI0nEI2REIAssZAOx/OvdukATcFZBwSE54TzBkHJ1Lh7B0g3Cs2P8lRWvGmP8FXK/g8SCwqEWXU7sSTqPthOdb6gk2/b5VLzPzshsvoB5O+i6HVzfZH8zO02I4K2/6LyrkBQz2UVwEkEFk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=usN9OL/uNmBbuhMbeR9z8LIGXIXbitofp/MDztxRp15rvV+86DcBUh+QU1qXs9c2U1t8ptD4QBnO/Ol0LyA9PfxJDEegZd8ELgPXeTVXo8GDZ9RrfeOWwgoLP1effUHppCnTWVjXEtdeKQe9+C2G7/90W/+4iiP2CvRdSQyL8hg= Message-ID: Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 14:10:12 +0100 From: "Raul Bonell" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Virtual Lo Fi Lazer live album shared - "computers to boost creativity" ;-) In-Reply-To: <9E4F4924-D079-4DF9-A3D3-E97D87E2D75E@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_10899_7998042.1196341812371" References: <615F3AFB-B4FF-485E-A94E-27D9CB121AD9@gmail.com> <9EEF2B50-8021-4319-8F15-8FC7E130AC41@gmail.com> <9E4F4924-D079-4DF9-A3D3-E97D87E2D75E@gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: <8ZKpRC.A.0RB.5urTHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76770 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 13:16:41 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_10899_7998042.1196341812371 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline 2007/11/29, Per Boysen : > > > > Here's what a dictionary says about the word "contemporary": > > >> Dating from the same time. Example: "these series of paintings are > >> contemporary with other works in an earlier style. Ah.. better I prefer cage's "experimental" concept. I should have used this last. > so we are interested in aesthetics. > > Definitely! I see no conflict about music and philosophy. To me the > act of playing music is the practical application of philosophical > theory. And the cool thing with music is that it works even if you > don't care about the theoretical view. Strong point here... I like it. > also, i've attended some a priori "serious" contemporary festivals, > > where a guy hold sustained notes on an EWI, and that's all! he,he... Ha, ha... funny point. "Serious" is a dangerous word, but I use it as > for what the word actually means. So I regard a festival or a concert > serious when the people behind it have a certain agenda except for > simply putting on a happening and gather as big audience as possible. Yes. I meant that. > but then always we come to that words that also have no meaning at > > all "musically"... now my friend and teacher markus would have said > > "could you be more specific?" > > My apologizes! I didn't think I would have to define the word > "musically" on this list where mostly musicians hang out ;-) Believe it or not, but I failed an examination (basic choral practices in primary musical studies) because my interpretation lacked "musicality". Tha= t pissed me of a lot ! Since I didn't liked that Brahms pieces (valses) ! Why did they thought I was to do more than what it was written down on that sheets... I singed the right notes with right dynamics and nothing else since it was "primary" studies and we wasn't prepared for more than this ..= . Since then I like to ask anybody to explain better the concept and usually we end with really diferent concepts from each one. What I > mean with "musical" is just that the music brings some sort of > statement, Wiki-searching.. "statement"=3Dtheme ... then "sort of theme". But you both do music without themes constantly! Which I enjoy so much. Maybe you define them as "sort of themes". that the movements have well defined directions etc. This I can't understand. In > other words: when sounds are ordered in a way that brings a meaning > to it, then it is music. "meaning to it"... umm .. what represents "it" in this sentence? If sounds are not ordered, then it is noise. This, I understand. Having said all this, there is a need for a little disclaimer. Chaotic, unordered sounds (noise) can be musical too if presented in > a certain context that invites the listener to experience it as > musical. Totally makes sense for me. For example, look to Eno, Cage and like-minded. In this case > the lack of order and lack of statement becomes The Statement. So I > still subscribe to my main idea that A Statement is what makes > something "musical". This makes more sense even... You win! I loooooove you Per! But anyway, I think it was not fair to stop my "castrati" career that way she did. ha,ha,ha,ha.... Salutacions! Ra=FCl. Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > www.looproom.com (international) > http://www.youtube.com/pellibox (gritty) > > > > > --=20 The Playing Orchestra: http://www.telefonica.net/web2/tpo Chain Tape Collective: http://www.ct-collective.com TPO at myspace: http://www.myspace.com/theplayingorchestra ------=_Part_10899_7998042.1196341812371 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline

        2007/11/29, Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com>:

        Here's what a dictionary says about the word "contemporary= ":

        >> Dating from the same time. Example: "these ser= ies of paintings are
        >> contemporary with other works in an earlie= r style.

        Ah.. better I prefer cage's "experimental&qu= ot; concept. I should have used this last.

        >  so we are interested in aesthetics.

        Definitely! I se= e no conflict about music and philosophy. To me the
        act of playing music= is the practical application of philosophical
        theory. And the cool thin= g with music is that it works even if you
        don't care about the theoretical view.

        Strong = point here... I like it.

        > also, i've attended some a priori "serious" contemporary= festivals,
        > where a guy hold sustained notes on an EWI, and that= 9;s all! he,he...
        Ha, ha... funny point. "Serious" is a dangerous word, but I use i= t as
        for what the word actually means. So I regard a festival or a conce= rt
        serious when the people behind it have a certain agenda except for
        simply putting on a happening and gather as big audience as possible.

        Yes. I meant that. 

        > but then always we come to that words that also have no meaning at
        = > all "musically"... now my friend and teacher markus would ha= ve said
        > "could you be more specific?"

        My apologize= s! I didn't think I would have to define the word
        "musically" on this list where mostly musicians hang out ;-)&= nbsp; 

        Believe it or not, but I failed an examina= tion (basic choral practices in primary musical studies) because my interpr= etation lacked "musicality". That pissed me of a lot ! Since I di= dn't liked that Brahms pieces (valses) ! Why did they thought I was to = do more than what it was written down on that sheets... I singed the right = notes with right dynamics and nothing else since it was "primary"= studies and we wasn't prepared for more than this ...=20
        Since then I like to ask anybody to explain better the concept and usua= lly we end with really diferent concepts from each one.

        What I
        mean with "musical" is just that the music brings some = sort of
        statement,

        Wiki-searching..
        "= ;statement"=3Dtheme
        ... then "sort of theme".

        But = you both do music without themes constantly! Which I enjoy so much. Maybe y= ou define them as "sort of themes".

        that the = movements have well defined directions etc.

        This I can= 't understand.=20

        In=
        other words: when sounds are ordered in a way that brings a meaning
        to it, then it is music.

        "meaning to it"... = umm .. what represents "it" in this sentence?

        If sounds are not ordered, then it is noise.

        This, I = understand.

        Having said all this, there is a need for a little disclaimer.
        =
        Chaotic, unor= dered sounds (noise) can be musical too if presented in
        a certain context that invites the listener to experience it as
        musi= cal.

        Totally makes sense for me.

        For example, look to Eno, Cage and like-minded. In this case
        the lack of= order and lack of statement becomes The Statement. So I
        still subscribe= to my main idea that A Statement is what makes
        something "musical&= quot;.

        This makes more sense even...
        You win!
        I loooo= oove you Per!

        But anyway, I think it was not fair to
        stop m= y "castrati" career that way she did.
        ha,ha,ha,ha....

        Salutacions!
        Ra=FCl.


        Greetings from Sweden

        Per Boysen
        www.boysen.se (Swedish)
        www.loop= room.com (international)
        http://www.youtube.com/pellibox (gritty)







        --
        The Playing Orchestra: http://www.telefonica.net/web2/tpoChain Tape Collective: http://www= .ct-collective.com
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        From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 29 13:36:13 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AD6FC3BECF; Thu, 29 Nov 2007 13:36:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; bh=FpIA6YRNJNnecUWXqPA22+tBBdmxzajJ4zgyiztUZqo=; b=Bbgh2ZsaNubBFL1RuJzmetcd4kOlOfkdYH6bDSQlZSx39N2sRNzmTpQrr59RhhQaRdnQ+xA6X2+Iq6BdoTW9zvHJ2a8LVSu+NjykSRjAm2XVtc37yZlty6gl+38wmwTLtFKTSCpf0kt2/ga3WyXr6+IOtdmVwsQw/ZQ2R/bTsQk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=TaWx190EgdvAi4hESyhomMzqb6/GaOjIGyTeBFGIU8RSRFyRJQ4v3G/k9uTnJU+CRy+Xu+6e5VQmTSC5EKxgIO2IeFqXox8WNI8ztPeKWp7hTXLJi8IklG4KBcAyDbYwMQb2qMd2MSmrdEhOkz2w1Y52Q1Esnm63M01dVfR2WxQ= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: References: <615F3AFB-B4FF-485E-A94E-27D9CB121AD9@gmail.com> <9EEF2B50-8021-4319-8F15-8FC7E130AC41@gmail.com> <9E4F4924-D079-4DF9-A3D3-E97D87E2D75E@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <079D7035-6EA8-426B-9335-708C4A728FB6@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Virtual Lo Fi Lazer live album shared - "computers to boost creativity" ;-) Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 14:36:07 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76771 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 13:36:13 +0000 (UTC) On 29 nov 2007, at 14.10, Raul Bonell wrote: > But anyway, I think it was not fair to > stop my "castrati" career that way she did. > ha,ha,ha,ha.... yee bro the world is full of evil sun-of-a-bitches let's kill some demons and raise a little hell (quoting Dean in Super Natural, tv show with awesome music by Steve Tavaglione) p ;-) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 29 14:34:42 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C08673BEB9; Thu, 29 Nov 2007 14:34:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: Glenn Poorman To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 06:34:35 -0800 Subject: RE: computers suck creative energy Thread-Topic: computers suck creative energy Thread-Index: Acgx9YKNyHVn00acRfulyrhasOQjuAAntYHg Message-ID: <54A0E51A24352642A1682F35DF740741177081BA8C@ADSK-NAMSG-01.MGDADSK.autodesk.com> References: <86783.9999.qm@web35110.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <20071114114223.t6ckosxc8408888c@69.89.21.76> <003e01c8317b$8ce7d080$6401a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: en-US Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76772 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 14:34:42 +0000 (UTC) I think that getting side tracked by gear is a growing pain that will alway= s happen. Being somebody that likes certain types of sounds, I definitely wen= t through a searching phase putting my rig together and can admit that there were times when the tech stuff was all consuming. But this should be considered a transitional thing. I pretty much arrived at my current live setup a good four or five years ago and haven't changed a thing since. Studio is another story. Glenn www.detroitstick.com www.121normal.com www.coupdetroit.com -----Original Message----- From: Matt Davignon [mailto:mattdavignon@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2007 2:26 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: computers suck creative energy I dunno - I'm completely dependent on tone-mangling effects. However I do see a trend with many electronic musicians where the lure of all the technological doodads provides too much of a distraction from actual musicmaking. I saw a concert at CNMAT (Center for New Music and Technology) in Berkeley last year that was a textbook case in this. The individual had set up 6 gestural controllers in his violin, so that his computer was changing and sampling the music he was playing in real time based on the velocity and angle of the bow, the angle of the violin, the pressure on the bow hair, etc. The resulting sound was a technological marvel, but lacked any appeal beyond the "ooh - gadgets" factor. For the same reason, I've learned over the years to not be swayed by the 'wowness' of new gear. I make an effort to only use electronics that are directly productive, and that I have a good amount of control over. I also have to keep an eye on myself, so I can rein it in when I'm making too much of a sonic mess. I've noticed lately that some of the best 'weird' music that I listen to isn't completely made of 'as weird as possible' sounds. A lot of them also have some untreated instrumentation too. (I love the use of marimba on some of Coil's recent albums.) That's another thing I've been trying to take to heart, sort of like building a context by including that sort of variety and dynamic. Matt Davignon www.ribosomemusic.com On Nov 27, 2007 9:00 PM, Krispen Hartung wrote: > > > It's liberating isn't it? For the last month, I have been looping with j= ust > my clean jazz guitar sound, and my max/msp looper. I have been concentrat= ing > on what I can do with just my instrument without the aid of tone mangling > effects, just the tone of the guitar and the power of the looper and its > features. It occured to me how easy it is (at least for me) to make decen= t > sounding music with loads of effects as a artistic crutch...a few lush > ambient fripp like patches, some long delays and modulation, granular > synthesis, layers of effects and pitch, etc. After a while, my primary > instrument is overshadowed, the love of my music life that has been with = me > for 28 years. I find it much more interesting and challenging to work wi= th > just my guitar tone now, and see what limits I can push, what boundaries = I > can leap without the aid of the all so seductive tone mangling effect > crutch. :) We'll see where this goes.... > > Kris > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 29 14:54:51 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 15D753BECC; Thu, 29 Nov 2007 14:54:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=uGAh1TaYDyz+X/jIZ02+xhgvsR4x6UPJ2K/HB2dZS5c=; b=Dfa3T9LhzUke5YaeOz21+ZCPhoED1+RFU+B8bqOyA/YK2SXXXl1on2+ydNvNS0d6Yxkl6L4tF//GYJvif3p/Z14PRKVJ5dALMbT1BwzetvN2KwDJKrWTQFG76p7dE8dnWlRzBHjdYdJ2HzSMRSDY91LOp/SreOfgHDND39gRuaQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=UZeGcprMGoeYCaa7v2ap9CnpAo6sL5QJBOpk0phVrA+sg6Lw8C2MQRp6DRaFCwjejBEUEDl5xNcJtNTWaRYiyLIvGVjF9EbIXmdsyC6p1xgOwIDxlT7qyTl2H6Db8qGYLo50ZnuavBMj6Ws3xJ2ZuX2N8zrjvu1Bx1XeRXkf+sY= Message-ID: Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 06:54:46 -0800 From: "Travis Hartnett" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: How far does looping go back? Farther than you think.... In-Reply-To: <28E697ED-2407-4BA9-87C4-FA73AC51B1DD@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <86783.9999.qm@web35110.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <20071114114223.t6ckosxc8408888c@69.89.21.76> <003e01c8317b$8ce7d080$6401a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> <64b81a780711272108u60b45a0cp8432b8ea09655f58@mail.gmail.com> <00aa01c831d6$6b760c40$6401a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> <017a01c8321a$15f6bf50$6401a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> <28E697ED-2407-4BA9-87C4-FA73AC51B1DD@gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76773 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 14:54:50 +0000 (UTC) I'm not sure how accessible that tunnel is to the general public. However, I was then reminded of the Silophone, which is electronically available worldwide: http://www.silophone.net/ the Silophone project sonic inhabitation of Silo #5 Silophone is a project by [The User] which combines sound, architecture, and communication technologies to transform a significant landmark in the industrial cityscape of Montr=E9al. Silophone makes use of the incredible acoustics of Silo #5 by introducing sounds, collected from around the world using various communication technologies, into a physical space to create an instrument which blurs the boundaries between music, architecture and net art. Sounds arrive inside Silo #5 by telephone or internet. They are then broadcast into the vast concrete grain storage chambers inside the Silo. They are transformed, reverberated, and coloured by the remarkable acoustics of the structure, yielding a stunningly beautiful echo. This sound is captured by microphones and rebroadcast back to its sender, to other listeners and to a sound installation outside the building. Anyone may contribute material of their own, filling the instrument with increasingly varied sounds. This project takes cues from transformations of similarly imposing industrial sites in Europe such as La Fonderie in Brussels, Belgium and Emscher Park in Germany's Ruhr, both of which reactivate abandoned sites by appropriating the mandates of existing cultural programs in their surrounding communities. The Silophone project aims to raise popular awareness of the building and to catalyse activity that will eventually result in the discovery of an appropriate new function for the abandoned elevator. project description Instrument telephone access Using your telephone, you can enter into =97 and participate in =97 the acoustic world of the Silo. More than one person can use the telephone system at once, so when you telephone you may find somebody else already in the Silo. This teleconference system was specifically adapted for use in the Silophone by engineers from Bell's Emerging Technologies Group. To call the Silophone from North America: 1.514.844.5555 >From the rest of the world: 001.514.844.5555 Wait until the second ring, then start talking. On Nov 28, 2007 11:51 PM, Per Boysen wrote: > Yes, truly amazing! Is it possible for anyone to enter that tunnel? > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 29 15:02:33 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2FF393BED5; Thu, 29 Nov 2007 15:02:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.23,229,1194238800"; d="scan'208";a="131304175" X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AswMAK9jTkdKgAAT/2dsb2JhbACBW2I2i1g Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 09:02:28 -0600 From: mwsmart@insightbb.com Subject: Re: RE: How far does looping go back? Farther than you think.... In-reply-to: <1BB076E4C332F9469148F41725F17A720647BD6E@MTVNE-EXCLUST02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Sun Java(tm) System Messenger Express 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006) Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_GgYJ3FrqPGayXUEamADgcg)" Content-language: en X-Accept-Language: en Priority: normal References: <017a01c8321a$15f6bf50$6401a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> <1BB076E4C332F9469148F41725F17A720647BD6E@MTVNE-EXCLUST02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76774 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 15:02:33 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_GgYJ3FrqPGayXUEamADgcg) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline > on another note, did edison (or more likely, emil berliner) ever > encounter a locked groove during their early sound-recording > experiments? > did it ever happen with the disc recorders that prevailed before WW2? > did anyone (a young les paul, perhaps?) lark about with it for musical > effect? > > duncan. Pierre Schaeffer in France did a lot of experimenting with locked grooves on records before the tape recorder became widely available. AFAIK he didn't use it for looping of traditional melodies & chords, etc but to create pieces of "musique concrete": http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pierre_Schaeffer Interesting stuff. But the locked-groove effects on the early things have short delay times of a little less than 1 second. Probably 1/78 of a minute due to the 78 RPM speed. On a somewhat related note, did anyone here ever get the issue of Mad Magazine with the record in it called "A Super Spectacular Day"? It had the grooves set up so it would play a different ending each time depending on which one the needle happened to fall into. I assume this means there was a continuous circular groove at one point that had multiple spiral grooves going inward off of it. Kind of cool effect. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/It's_A_Super-Spectacular_Day Mark Smart http://www.marksmart.net --Boundary_(ID_GgYJ3FrqPGayXUEamADgcg) Content-type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline
        > on another note, did edison (or more likely, emil berliner) ever
        > encounter a locked groove during their early sound-recording
        > experiments?
        > did it ever happen with the disc recorders that prevailed before WW2?
        > did anyone (a young les paul, perhaps?) lark about with it for musical
        > effect?
        >
        > duncan.
        Pierre Schaeffer in France did a lot of experimenting with locked grooves on records before the tape recorder became widely available. AFAIK he didn't use it for looping of traditional melodies & chords, etc but to create pieces of "musique concrete":
         
         
        Interesting stuff. But the locked-groove effects on the early things have short delay times of a little less than 1 second. Probably 1/78 of a minute due to the 78 RPM speed.
         
        On a somewhat related note, did anyone here ever get the issue of Mad Magazine with the record in it called "A Super Spectacular Day"? It had the grooves set up so it would play a different ending each time depending on which one the needle happened to fall into. I assume this means there was a continuous circular groove at one point that had multiple spiral grooves going inward off of it. Kind of cool effect.
         
         
        Mark Smart
        --Boundary_(ID_GgYJ3FrqPGayXUEamADgcg)-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 29 15:22:34 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 88A033BED2; Thu, 29 Nov 2007 15:22:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <474ED930.9070506@biink.com> Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 10:22:24 -0500 From: David Beardsley Reply-To: db@biink.com Organization: Biink & SSI User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (Windows/20071031) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: How far does looping go back? Farther than you think.... References: <017a01c8321a$15f6bf50$6401a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> <1BB076E4C332F9469148F41725F17A720647BD6E@MTVNE-EXCLUST02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76775 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 15:22:34 +0000 (UTC) mwsmart@insightbb.com wrote: > Interesting stuff. But the locked-groove effects on the early things > have short delay times of a little less than 1 second. Probably > 1/78 of a minute due to the 78 RPM speed. Wouldn't that depend on how big the disk was and where the locked groove was? -- * David Beardsley * microtonal guitar * http://biink.com From www-data@217-20-122-57.internetserviceteam.com Thu Nov 29 15:29:18 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 2135 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Thu, 29 Nov 2007 15:29:18 UTC Received: from 217-20-122-57.internetserviceteam.com (217-20-122-57.internetserviceteam.com [217.20.122.57]) by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B9E13BEB9 for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2007 15:29:18 +0000 (UTC) Received: by 217-20-122-57.internetserviceteam.com (Postfix, from userid 33) id C4A32FB629; Thu, 29 Nov 2007 15:42:54 +0100 (CET) To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Subject: Hallmark Ecard From: Hallmark Cards Content-Type: text/html Message-Id: <20071129144254.C4A32FB629@217-20-122-57.internetserviceteam.com> Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 15:42:54 +0100 (CET)

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        From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 29 15:45:23 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6B8CC3BECF; Thu, 29 Nov 2007 15:45:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.23,229,1194238800"; d="scan'208";a="120594416" X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Aq4HABBtTkdKgAAT/2dsb2JhbACBW4EYi1g Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 09:45:22 -0600 From: mwsmart@insightbb.com Subject: Re: How far does looping go back? Farther than you think.... In-reply-to: <474ED930.9070506@biink.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Sun Java(tm) System Messenger Express 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006) Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_eule7AXT330PEb58nAhbLQ)" Content-language: en X-Accept-Language: en Priority: normal References: <017a01c8321a$15f6bf50$6401a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> <1BB076E4C332F9469148F41725F17A720647BD6E@MTVNE-EXCLUST02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> <474ED930.9070506@biink.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76776 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 15:45:23 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_eule7AXT330PEb58nAhbLQ) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline If the record was turning at 78 RPM, the loop length (in time) would always be 1/78 of a minute regardless of how long (in inches) the actual groove was. Mark Smart http://www.marksmart.net --Boundary_(ID_eule7AXT330PEb58nAhbLQ) Content-type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline
        If the record was turning at 78 RPM, the loop length (in time) would always be 1/78 of a minute regardless of how long (in inches) the actual groove was.
         
        Mark Smart
        --Boundary_(ID_eule7AXT330PEb58nAhbLQ)-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 29 16:20:49 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 54FBE3BECD; Thu, 29 Nov 2007 16:20:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 17:20:46 +0100 From: "Buzap Buzap" In-Reply-To: <54A0E51A24352642A1682F35DF740741177081BA8C@ADSK-NAMSG-01.MGDADSK.autodesk.com> Message-ID: <20071129162046.241350@gmx.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <86783.9999.qm@web35110.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <20071114114223.t6ckosxc8408888c@69.89.21.76> <003e01c8317b$8ce7d080$6401a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> <54A0E51A24352642A1682F35DF740741177081BA8C@ADSK-NAMSG-01.MGDADSK.autodesk.com> Subject: Re: RE: computers suck creative energy To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Authenticated: #33233833 X-Flags: 0001 X-Mailer: WWW-Mail 6100 (Global Message Exchange) X-Priority: 3 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1++WUpK1Wq+vfv0PmK+Tm5M+2yDQkhIs4QMDp7cU9 nz1efHmloHqploZUDc4AWYuL56XLnJiuutBQ== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-GMX-UID: uIImCnw/bHIhS9sjwjU0ZIkiJihyalCQ Resent-Message-ID: <9Xjoy.A.AXB.gbuTHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76777 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 16:20:49 +0000 (UTC) >But this should be considered a transitional thing. Yeah, it's bad when you get stuck there. And you're really lost when you mix up "musical progress" with simply "more gear" ;-)) Buzap -- GMX FreeMail: 1 GB Postfach, 5 E-Mail-Adressen, 10 Free SMS. Alle Infos und kostenlose Anmeldung: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/freemail From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 29 16:23:23 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AE4363BED5; Thu, 29 Nov 2007 16:23:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: References: <017a01c8321a$15f6bf50$6401a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> <1BB076E4C332F9469148F41725F17A720647BD6E@MTVNE-EXCLUST02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> <474ED930.9070506@biink.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1--997141310 Message-Id: From: Chris Sewell Subject: Re: How far does looping go back? Farther than you think.... Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 11:23:10 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) Resent-Message-ID: <07EcfD.A.0fB.7duTHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76778 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 16:23:23 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-1--997141310 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Heres a little known fact. After World War II, the Soviets and and Americans were locked in a bitter struggle to control Germanys looping technology. Japan was conducting experiments as well, but there research was incomplete and their initial efforts were fraught with errors. The Americans ultimately smuggled many of Germanys top looping scientists out of Europe. The rest is history. On Nov 29, 2007, at 10:45 AM, mwsmart@insightbb.com wrote: > If the record was turning at 78 RPM, the loop length (in time) > would always be 1/78 of a minute regardless of how long (in inches) > the actual groove was. > > Mark Smart > http://www.marksmart.net --Apple-Mail-1--997141310 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Heres a little known = fact.=A0
        After World War II, the Soviets and and Americans were = locked in a bitter struggle to control Germanys looping technology. = Japan was conducting experiments as well, but there research was = incomplete and their initial efforts were=A0fraught=A0with errors. The = =A0Americans=A0ultimately=A0smuggled many of Germanys top looping = scientists out of Europe.=A0
        The rest is = history.=A0





        On Nov 29, 2007, at 10:45 = AM, mwsmart@insightbb.com = wrote:

        If the record was turning at 78 RPM, the loop = length (in time) would always be 1/78 of a minute regardless of how long = (in inches) the actual groove was.
        =A0
        Mark = Smart

        = --Apple-Mail-1--997141310-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 29 16:25:01 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 97CE93BEC2; Thu, 29 Nov 2007 16:25:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com In-Reply-To: <20071129162046.241350@gmx.net> References: <86783.9999.qm@web35110.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <20071114114223.t6ckosxc8408888c@69.89.21.76> <003e01c8317b$8ce7d080$6401a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> <54A0E51A24352642A1682F35DF740741177081BA8C@ADSK-NAMSG-01.MGDADSK.autodesk.com> <20071129162046.241350@gmx.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <90D06343-548F-4DE8-A57B-AEA770131213@mac.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Chris Sewell Subject: Re: computers suck creative energy Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 11:24:51 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) Resent-Message-ID: <-KbaN.A._nB.dfuTHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76779 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 16:25:01 +0000 (UTC) That can be an issue with a laptop as a lot of your new gear is instantly available on the web. On Nov 29, 2007, at 11:20 AM, Buzap Buzap wrote: >> But this should be considered a transitional thing. > Yeah, it's bad when you get stuck there. > And you're really lost when you mix up "musical progress" with > simply "more gear" ;-)) > > Buzap > > -- > GMX FreeMail: 1 GB Postfach, 5 E-Mail-Adressen, 10 Free SMS. > Alle Infos und kostenlose Anmeldung: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/freemail > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 29 16:33:14 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0C56F3BEDF; Thu, 29 Nov 2007 16:33:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.23,230,1194238800"; d="scan'208";a="121328976" X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Aq4HAMd4TkdKgAAT/2dsb2JhbACBW4EYi1g Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 10:33:12 -0600 From: mwsmart@insightbb.com Subject: Re: How far does looping go back? Farther than you think.... In-reply-to: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Sun Java(tm) System Messenger Express 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006) Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_238dhSlj7mdSmiErL3tXlA)" Content-language: en X-Accept-Language: en Priority: normal References: <017a01c8321a$15f6bf50$6401a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> <1BB076E4C332F9469148F41725F17A720647BD6E@MTVNE-EXCLUST02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> <474ED930.9070506@biink.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76780 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 16:33:13 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_238dhSlj7mdSmiErL3tXlA) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline Yeah, the whole thing about Werner Von Braun working on V2 rockets was just a cover story. At Peenemunde he was REALLY making looping devices for the Nazis. "heil hitler......heil hitler......heil hitler......heil hitler......" Mark Smart http://www.marksmart.net --Boundary_(ID_238dhSlj7mdSmiErL3tXlA) Content-type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline
        Yeah, the whole thing about Werner Von Braun working on V2 rockets was just a cover story. At Peenemunde he was REALLY making looping devices for the Nazis.
         
        "heil hitler......heil hitler......heil hitler......heil hitler......"
         
        Mark Smart
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It was a huge rectangular basement hall with columns, not looking very spectacular, but the reverb was truly mindblowing - about = 45 seconds. (Yes, reverb is not the same as echo but maybe it is = interesting anyway) In the short time of its opening, the hall saw dance performances and recordings of various musiicians. A long out of print double LP called = "Vor der Flut" (Before the Flood) contained performances of C.Bauer, Butz = D=E4hn, Heiner Goebbels, Michael K=F6hler, Joe Koinzer, Roberto Laneri, Pauline Oliveros, Saxophon Mafia, Helmut Scherner, B=FCdi Siebert, Trio Basso = K=F6ln. -Michael www.michaelpeters.de From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 29 16:57:32 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C361F3BEDD; Thu, 29 Nov 2007 16:57:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-5--995082148 Message-Id: From: Richard Sales Subject: Re: blipfest Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 08:57:29 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76782 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 16:57:32 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-5--995082148 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed very cool richard sales glassWing farm and studio vancouver island, b.c. 800.545.6846 250.752.4816 www.glassWing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com On 29-Nov-07, at 1:05 AM, samba - wrote: > http://gadgets.boingboing.net/2007/11/28/blip-festival-07-sta.html > > Connect and share in new ways with Windows Live. Connect now! --Apple-Mail-5--995082148 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=US-ASCII very cool Gadgetrichard sales 7373,7F7F,C5C5glassWing farm and studio vancouver island, b.c. 800.545.6846 250.752.4816C3C3,9696,1C1C www.glassWing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com On 29-Nov-07, at 1:05 AM, samba - wrote: http://gadgets.boingboing.net/2007/11/28/blip-festival-07-sta.html Connect and share in new ways with Windows Live. 0000,0000,EEEEConnect now! --Apple-Mail-5--995082148-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 29 16:57:34 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E508D3BEE7; Thu, 29 Nov 2007 16:57:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Michael Peters" To: "Loopers Delight" References: Subject: RE: Norwich Loopfest Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 17:57:33 +0100 Message-ID: <008901c832a8$efbaf240$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_008A_01C832B1.517F5A40" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Thread-Index: Acgylufc4MPocqVYQA2QryMB+envigAEZJuA Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76783 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 16:57:34 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_008A_01C832B1.517F5A40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > hi michael "one man band" peters > regarding the rythms in your set... > .. did you used some type of hardware > sequencer or it was a laptop? the sounds were produced with Steinberg GrooveAgent, with some variation and random, and recorded to a CDR which I used as drum sound source during the gig (I fed the drums into a loop while playing "bass" guitar on top) Michael http://www.michaelpeters.de/livelooping2007.htm ------=_NextPart_000_008A_01C832B1.517F5A40 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
        > hi michael "one man band" peters
        > regarding the rythms in your = set...
        > .. did you used some type of = hardware=20
        > sequencer         or it was a laptop? 
         
        the sounds were produced with Steinberg GrooveAgent, with some = variation=20 and random, and recorded to a CDR which I used as drum sound source = during the=20 gig (I fed the drums into a loop while playing "bass" guitar on=20 top)
         
        Michael
        http://www.micha= elpeters.de/livelooping2007.htm
         
        ------=_NextPart_000_008A_01C832B1.517F5A40-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 29 17:05:14 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 848073BEDD; Thu, 29 Nov 2007 17:05:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <20071129110502.38afd2j7k008sosk@69.89.21.76> Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 11:05:02 -0600 From: kkissinger@kevinkissinger.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Virtual Lo Fi Lazer live album shared - "computers to boost creativity" ;-) References: <615F3AFB-B4FF-485E-A94E-27D9CB121AD9@gmail.com> <9EEF2B50-8021-4319-8F15-8FC7E130AC41@gmail.com> <9E4F4924-D079-4DF9-A3D3-E97D87E2D75E@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.3) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - box76.bluehost.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - kevinkissinger.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76784 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 17:05:14 +0000 (UTC) Quoting Raul Bonell : > > Believe it or not, but I failed an examination (basic choral practices in > primary musical studies) because my interpretation lacked "musicality". That > pissed me of a lot ! Since I didn't liked that Brahms pieces (valses) ! Why > did they thought I was to do more than what it was written down on that > sheets... I singed the right notes with right dynamics and nothing else > since it was "primary" studies and we wasn't prepared for more than this ... > Raul, Great story! Don't feel bad. In conservatory settings when someone says, "Well, your performance was musical..." it usually means that they thought it was sloppy! Thus, "Musical" = lots of wrong notes, unsteady rhythm, a sincere effort that failed. "Unmusical" = no wrong notes, every nuance perfectly executed, but none-the-less unexciting. Either way, you lose. I feel your pain. Gotta love classical music! :) -- Kevin **with an eeeevile grin** From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 29 17:06:38 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 366AB3BEF0; Thu, 29 Nov 2007 17:06:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 18:06:22 +0100 Message-Id: Subject: Looperative LP1 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Sensitivity: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: "Sjaak" To: "Loopers-Delight" X-XaM3-API-Version: 4.1 (B54) X-type: 0 X-SenderIP: 145.7.91.126 X-DCC-scarlet.be-Metrics: elist Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76785 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 17:06:38 +0000 (UTC) Some questions I have: 1) I use midi tap tempo a lot. Does it sync well to external midi clock? = 2) What happens with the recorded audio if some external midi clock chang= es the tempo from 120 to say 60? 3) Can you set the number of beats per track by using a midi CC command? 4) Is there a list with all the programmable midi commands? Sjaak=0A---=0AScarlet One, ADSL 6 Mbps + Telefonie, vanaf EUR 29,95...=0A= http://www.scarlet.be/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 29 17:07:07 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2E37A3BEFA; Thu, 29 Nov 2007 17:07:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=UAJR2V6z6turWLCGEY36oil0K0weNiXUE73QlQ5gcNpnLc7IOY+yvH7e/QIjZ9g2vipg4sD/3bo3cAhilBBino1gQvR88raQLMpKZB/rWcxE62O5Ghf/RPFpT4c4rEawl1DJ4ZDSduZTkw2Q4l/hDdiktEXBPwUZQXcmTnshYx4=; X-YMail-OSG: RbfarfUVM1lXHEF5UFlDS6tQNJEENa_l9M_cXVnb3ana3FBBTjKnGX5bT974ChTjyg-- X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/818.27 YahooMailWebService/0.7.157 Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 09:07:05 -0800 (PST) From: chuck silva Subject: Re: How far does looping go back? Farther than you think.... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-457001035-1196356025=:53803" Message-ID: <717785.53803.qm@web58501.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: <37RUwD.A.ojD.6GvTHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76786 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 17:07:07 +0000 (UTC) --0-457001035-1196356025=:53803 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable With a name like Mark smart I'd think you'd be SMARTER-making fun of someth= ing as serious as this. It is common knowledge that the origins of looping = go as far back as Biblical times. For example: =93Give, and it shall be giv= en to you. For whatever measure you deal out to others, it will be dealt to= you in return.=94 See/ Just like the venerable loop? Like 'oh my God'. How= totally cool is that?=0A =0AChuck Silva=0Ahttp://www.myspace.com/chucksilv= a =0A=0A=0A----- Original Message ----=0AFrom: "mwsmart@insightbb.com" =0ATo: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=0ASent: Thur= sday, November 29, 2007 11:33:12 AM=0ASubject: Re: How far does looping go = back? Farther than you think....=0A=0A=0AYeah, the whole thing about Werner= Von Braun working on V2 rockets was just a cover story. At Peenemunde he w= as REALLY making looping devices for the Nazis.=0A=0A =0A=0A"heil hitler...= ...heil hitler......heil hitler......heil hitler......"=0A=0A =0A=0AMark Sm= art=0A=0Ahttp://www.marksmart.net=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A ____________= ________________________________________________________________________=0A= Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. =0Ahttp://www.yahoo.com/r/h= s --0-457001035-1196356025=:53803 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
        With a name like Mark smart I'd think you'd be SMARTER-maki= ng fun of something as serious as this. It is common knowledge that the ori= gins of looping go as far back as Biblical times. For example: =93Give, and it shall be given to you. For whatever measure you de= al out to others, it will be dealt to you in return.=94 See/ Just like the = venerable loop? Like 'oh my God'. How totally cool is that?
        =  
        Chuck Silva
        http://www.myspace.com/chucksilva


        ----- Original Message ----
        From: "mwsmart@insightb= b.com" <mwsmart@insightbb.com>
        To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.comSent: Thursday, November 29, 2007 11:33:12 AM
        Subject: Re: How far doe= s looping go back? Farther than you think....

        =0A
        Yeah, the whol= e thing about Werner Von Braun working on V2 rockets was just a cover story= . At Peenemunde he was REALLY making looping devices for the Nazis.
        = =0A
         
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        "heil hitler......heil hitler......heil hitler.= .....heil hitler......"
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        =0A
        Mark Smart
        = =0A=0A


        =0A =
        Be a better sports nut! Let your teams follow you =0Awith Ya= hoo Mobile. Try it now. --0-457001035-1196356025=:53803-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 29 17:10:53 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BA2EC3BEF0; Thu, 29 Nov 2007 17:10:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 420 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Thu, 29 Nov 2007 17:10:53 UTC X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=RuyKgJuBAAAA:8 a=dlWHxd72AAAA:8 a=t7ROtuC3AAAA:8 a=ODpWDRtLAAAA:8 a=OT3O6O8lAAAA:8 a=OAHbxES59uTCmmaegzwA:9 a=DaidNSg8R4bSeZdhLWoA:7 a=lLL7cQONkGhLod1o_56hykAD28YA:4 a=hM5H0qCC1cEA:10 a=SsB-lyM2FKUA:10 a=2Wwt4rRB0vwA:10 a=s2vwmd6nT-AA:10 a=CmNgaeGOC8cA:10 a=6y61hU8uYSEA:10 a=oQOLZaTzsOIA:10 a=wYB-5UjJgkwA:10 a=ap2DsHnjuYoA:10 a=fBdi_E4ZU3EA:10 a=m-v1s0oOtjQA:10 a=br5QjLurtgQA:10 a=MSl-tDqOz04A:10 a=3rcunIF0aIMA:10 a=XF7b4UCPwd8A:10 From: "greg williams" To: Subject: RE: computers suck creative energy Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 09:03:54 -0800 Message-ID: <002a01c832a9$d2d7d0c0$60041718@gwdesk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <54A0E51A24352642A1682F35DF740741177081BA8C@ADSK-NAMSG-01.MGDADSK.autodesk.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Thread-Index: Acgx9YKNyHVn00acRfulyrhasOQjuAAntYHgAARgjYA= Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76787 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 17:10:53 +0000 (UTC) This is a great thread which is very revealing. I personally find by limiting my tools I can find more depth, strength, and of course immediacy in the music. At the moment, I am only using acoustic guitar and delay (including looping of course), no other instruments or effects. I find a certain purity and consistency by only manipulating time - past, present, future, nostalgia, etc - less stuff to fiddle with with my feet too, which I find hard to do while playing. I'm not a very good multitasker. A few years back I produced a CD of my old acid jazz band on PC using Sonic Foundry's Acid and Cakewalk, incorporating loops and samples with live band performances. I found the choices to be overwhelming. The production occupied an OBSCENE amount of my time for eight months. At the time I was focusing on a plethora of small sonic details and experimentation, yet when I listen to the final result I am disappointed and all I hear are big broad things that I should have caught, such as the fact that the drums are too loud. Whatever. Shortly after I bought a Tascam CDR recorder and I record straight to that now with no possibility of remixing. This makes me happier and gives me more time to play guitar and drink coffee. ~Greg Williams www.myspace.com/gregwilliamsguitarist -----Original Message----- From: Glenn Poorman [mailto:glenn.poorman@autodesk.com] Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2007 6:35 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: computers suck creative energy I think that getting side tracked by gear is a growing pain that will always happen. Being somebody that likes certain types of sounds, I definitely went through a searching phase putting my rig together and can admit that there were times when the tech stuff was all consuming. But this should be considered a transitional thing. I pretty much arrived at my current live setup a good four or five years ago and haven't changed a thing since. Studio is another story. Glenn www.detroitstick.com www.121normal.com www.coupdetroit.com -----Original Message----- From: Matt Davignon [mailto:mattdavignon@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2007 2:26 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: computers suck creative energy I dunno - I'm completely dependent on tone-mangling effects. However I do see a trend with many electronic musicians where the lure of all the technological doodads provides too much of a distraction from actual musicmaking. I saw a concert at CNMAT (Center for New Music and Technology) in Berkeley last year that was a textbook case in this. The individual had set up 6 gestural controllers in his violin, so that his computer was changing and sampling the music he was playing in real time based on the velocity and angle of the bow, the angle of the violin, the pressure on the bow hair, etc. The resulting sound was a technological marvel, but lacked any appeal beyond the "ooh - gadgets" factor. For the same reason, I've learned over the years to not be swayed by the 'wowness' of new gear. I make an effort to only use electronics that are directly productive, and that I have a good amount of control over. I also have to keep an eye on myself, so I can rein it in when I'm making too much of a sonic mess. I've noticed lately that some of the best 'weird' music that I listen to isn't completely made of 'as weird as possible' sounds. A lot of them also have some untreated instrumentation too. (I love the use of marimba on some of Coil's recent albums.) That's another thing I've been trying to take to heart, sort of like building a context by including that sort of variety and dynamic. Matt Davignon www.ribosomemusic.com On Nov 27, 2007 9:00 PM, Krispen Hartung wrote: > > > It's liberating isn't it? For the last month, I have been looping with just > my clean jazz guitar sound, and my max/msp looper. I have been concentrating > on what I can do with just my instrument without the aid of tone mangling > effects, just the tone of the guitar and the power of the looper and its > features. It occured to me how easy it is (at least for me) to make decent > sounding music with loads of effects as a artistic crutch...a few lush > ambient fripp like patches, some long delays and modulation, granular > synthesis, layers of effects and pitch, etc. After a while, my primary > instrument is overshadowed, the love of my music life that has been with me > for 28 years. I find it much more interesting and challenging to work with > just my guitar tone now, and see what limits I can push, what boundaries I > can leap without the aid of the all so seductive tone mangling effect > crutch. :) We'll see where this goes.... > > Kris > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 29 17:29:10 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3AB203BEDF; Thu, 29 Nov 2007 17:29:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <00d301c832ad$5020b170$5901a8c0@bobdell> Reply-To: "Bob Amstadt" From: "Bob Amstadt" To: , References: Subject: Re: Looperative LP1 Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 09:28:51 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76788 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 17:29:10 +0000 (UTC) Hi Sjaak, I'm Bob Amstadt creator the LP1. > 1) I use midi tap tempo a lot. Does it sync well to external midi clock? I spent a large amount of time getting this to work well. I don't use this feature myself, but I know that several people do. > 2) What happens with the recorded audio if some external midi clock > changes the tempo from 120 to say 60? The MIDI sync code will do its best to stay in sync even if the clock changes. It does this by jumping ahead or behind in the loop as needed. For small changes in speed, the loop will probably sound pretty good. The skips are often not even noticeable. As you make larger changes in speed, the results aren't really predictable. The LP1 will try to stay synchronized, but if the difference is too great, then it won't be able to succeed. > 3) Can you set the number of beats per track by using a midi CC command? At this time, no, but that is something that I could add easily to the software if it were necessary. > 4) Is there a list with all the programmable midi commands? Have you looked at the online manual? http://www.looperlative.com/upgrades/lp1-user-manual-007.pdf The online manual is a little behind the software, but most of it is in there. If you have any further questions, please don't hesitate to email me or post on the forum at the Looperlative web site. Thanks, Bob Amstadt From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 29 17:49:18 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8B66B3BED9; Thu, 29 Nov 2007 17:49:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=AYczGXjmIxrQSinCek73DrfQVWp1DXXOjny2wayusnOn2zqT6PfbGyfpQ0E/UDj2cTxADWQnLZQ5pQmxY/N5QiQHiziFxNyiFjFlonCaDdR5ApHHQqwtCJq1+OIbpawW/GUNDZAed4bZEq3ntljXxmRxjd2Rowk245n7vUO9Nro=; X-YMail-OSG: fIlSxUUVM1n_LOtkFXOTfgNvP5a0je1ZMuISWC8tgnwVeRO24sKgDcfDyWvec9GqN8fpuo4vtzd7LlOB1hfZ4.EWLdpA0fqb_MRZVWwXkZqVt1ATfIrbmueWUCdkAA-- X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/818.27 YahooMailWebService/0.7.157 Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 09:49:17 -0800 (PST) From: chuck silva Subject: Re: computers suck creative energy To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1826807064-1196358557=:83040" Message-ID: <573011.83040.qm@web58509.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76789 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 17:49:18 +0000 (UTC) --0-1826807064-1196358557=:83040 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I completely agree with you Per. In fact I'd take it a bit further and say the computer IS a magnificent creative tool. Indeed it DOES NOT suck creative energy-unless the musician sucks. They are in fact truly inspirational. Modern computer and web technology such as MIDI and mp3 give enthusiasts and composers unprecedented power to compose, manipulate, and play or perform music. If one is willing to apply oneself to get through the learning curve associated with most music programs, sequencers, samplers, VSTs, Virtual Studios, one will be rewarded with unlimited power. The challenge is to free the mind of conventional thinking. I know this is a controversial topic and is ultimately up to ones own observation. Peace. Chuck Silva http://www.myspace.com/chucksilva ----- Original Message ---- From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2007 5:16:12 AM Subject: Re: computers suck creative energy I would fully agree that "setting up a computer suck creative energy"! But using it, when finally set up, that's just amazingly creative IMHO. Never the less I'm finding the subject line amusing ;-)) Great thread. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://www.youtube.com/pellibox (gritty) ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better pen pal. Text or chat with friends inside Yahoo! Mail. See how. http://overview.mail.yahoo.com/ --0-1826807064-1196358557=:83040 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
        I completely agree with you Per.

        In fact I'd take it a bit further and say the computer IS a magnificent creative tool. Indeed it DOES NOT suck creative energy-unless the musician sucks.

        They are in fact truly inspirational.

        Modern computer and web technology such as MIDI and mp3 give enthusiasts and composers unprecedented power to compose, manipulate, and play or perform music. 

        If one is willing to apply oneself to get through the learning curve associated with most music programs, sequencers, samplers, VSTs, Virtual Studios, one will be rewarded with unlimited power.

        The challenge is to free the mind of conventional thinking.

        I know this is a controversial topic and is ultimately up to ones own observation.

        Peace.
         
        Chuck Silva
        http://www.myspace.com/chucksilva


        ----- Original Message ----
        From: Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com>
        To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
        Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2007 5:16:12 AM
        Subject: Re: computers suck creative energy

        I would fully agree that "setting up a computer suck creative 
        energy"! But using it, when finally set up, that's just amazingly 
        creative IMHO. Never the less I'm finding the subject line 
        amusing ;-)) Great thread.

        Greetings from Sweden

        Per Boysen
        www.boysen.se (Swedish)
        www.looproom.com (international)
        http://www.youtube.com/pellibox (gritty)






        Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. --0-1826807064-1196358557=:83040-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 29 17:57:45 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 934EF3BED9; Thu, 29 Nov 2007 17:57:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; bh=AP4GqQ4lknEkY9XyPFc/X3TQYxO0mLi8vTXbYAtGjkM=; b=anDIE36kb/Xygn4DpF+4ABnQG/xoOPLHJOzsRrDbkc3YZAPX3RM6Y8ojsuFw+KaKf3LN899t+8t1md71wRJHo8znZoZY/ZzUfZbd1lQx54C2sIg9ZehrmIE4GdaSTKkAcbPAVJiTBaioohbxt7rr+LLjRvLBG5nEujnLT/K0fAw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=i5J72srBveeph0vh1VOG3UUzs6KDow9tN2/aeGeaFWdhhaFcKtnvMcXrYhdy6RJFtLOmEYUwloy21rpGdVDLoVLMo59vV4jJwPQl0/+j5anppvG+XWPlaL8/nB15vYiWa/3TYFLq8H5f65uDlSciGNgzbFLMIIg527ZHutDeBEc= Message-ID: Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 09:57:41 -0800 From: "Matt Davignon" To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Mechanical looping show tonight in San Francisco MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: <3ixxj.A.pdF.Z2vTHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76790 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 17:57:45 +0000 (UTC) Ok, this might be a stretch, but I'm playing in an ensemble tonight that uses mechanical looping - hand cranked instruments. http://www.myspace.com/crankensemble Thursday, Nov 29 2007 8:00 PM Outsound Presents Luggage Store Gallery New Music Series 1007 Market St. @ 6th Street San Francisco 8-10pm, $6-10 sliding scale 8pm: Larnie Fox's Crank Ensemble 9pm: Toychestra The Crank Ensemble is a San Francisco-based performance group whose musicians create rhythmic and repetitive patterns by using handmade crank-operated machines. The instruments are constructed by artist Larnie Fox; each has a mounted piezo (contact microphone) to amplify its sound. The ensemble of cranks creates layers of sound, resulting in a range of a sparse new-music style "plinking" to melodic loopiness and hardcore noise. Toychestra is an all-women musical ensemble that plays toys. Some are actual instruments like toddler-sized pianos and xylophones and drums. Others just make great sounds, like the pink zoo train or Boo Megaphone or the acoustic, multi-sonic Activity Center. Still others are used for percussion, like the washboard, Don't Wake Daddy, and woodblock. Each instrument is individually amplified with contact microphones and the collection is mixed live for a bigger electronic sound. This creates a sophisticated aural experience that is a far cry from a bunch of kiddies banging around. Toychestra performs original compositions ranging from stark to upbeat, from percussive to melodic, to ambient, avant-garde and kitsch. In the past the band was known to do a few covers ranging from Dvorak to Kraftwerk to Black Flag. www.toychestra.com Matt Davignon www.ribosomemusic.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 29 18:11:10 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 73CA23BEDA; Thu, 29 Nov 2007 18:11:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=jlz+aIf5ZVCrZSVPaNxSA1WX8Um6aT1VpTfnVXrR54o=; b=d/DRPjk+y1Sb1aovi71snWDL2QkFha3L2RP+kiRKf5Gr2ALyBtsCsKACaLVDgRdQLZiGmfnbhwd1SnbF5ZU5v843zk1OVHGs0I/UltnEp4qXT94/EioNZWefStewINXc4QBdz26ErbyBEZaaw/bmRcNCqmxqeSc+RNnfrnBSBig= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=received:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=vtiMzv2Xg/Rq6KgJpqEfd0xjIpmdoBz9Vwo76nsKAkdvus3c7l0negMdJQ0+jRoJulCEszBLwLqHc4jvIZ3Oh8w2N+KFdjpLwiTnRb7X46TklO1brLXEHWY3+inE5hvkG+bKHSbaaPlYcdRKPVcKzpsxjpHoxAoOXO7pkXgkyCk= Message-ID: <474EFF2C.1040108@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 19:04:28 +0100 From: =?windows-1252?Q?Micha=3F_Wiernowolski?= User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (X11/20071116) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: How far does looping go back? Farther than you think.... References: <717785.53803.qm@web58501.mail.re3.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <717785.53803.qm@web58501.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <5l8ZXC.A.E9F.9CwTHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76791 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 18:11:10 +0000 (UTC) Looping looks like a musical reincarnation of evolution. It is all about reproduction and at the same time about change. Then looping is as old as nature itself. (Providing you believe in evolution;-) Michal From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 29 18:19:26 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4FC1E3BEDD; Thu, 29 Nov 2007 18:19:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <011301c832b4$55de6740$5901a8c0@bobdell> Reply-To: "Bob Amstadt" From: "Bob Amstadt" To: References: <717785.53803.qm@web58501.mail.re3.yahoo.com> <474EFF2C.1040108@gmail.com> Subject: Re: How far does looping go back? Farther than you think.... Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 10:19:07 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="Windows-1252"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76792 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 18:19:26 +0000 (UTC) > Looping looks like a musical reincarnation of evolution. I've always thought that looping was a religious experience. ;-) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 29 18:24:17 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F1F753BEE1; Thu, 29 Nov 2007 18:24:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=nr5dwNg/MZacUbt0y9vj2yRShZe9fiyxBdha1YYD13k=; b=DzTjve9rIqG3PipBg62MyxAk0n9vw+M4AJlCbm7gy6rH8bWenf119IF+EAPq3klZDAtz/hRoycmnjJjqhZs+DaXfP0CpedpTWja+wp70wLv8hKMMfKHuc0xJqkGh1izUSVsmfL9iM71H43gkqU6cfVs1WL9Cguoazm4cgr0jclQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=QRdQoPMVCkdEWYQZcL9UrkqLEkos6djT3OkjRwdgBlq26uTXA+CYhGtLYliA/CbZwyh6fzc6mK3AI8Z+CHuRXsIC2x18vxdCaBwn8VTIqpRu2Twq0nKWqrAW4RnY+r52RyymWH/lNy8rI6ZSMhE2kaIa3B+45FrRAIsxwySaZgg= Message-ID: Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 13:24:13 -0500 From: "Tony K" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: computers suck creative energy In-Reply-To: <002a01c832a9$d2d7d0c0$60041718@gwdesk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <54A0E51A24352642A1682F35DF740741177081BA8C@ADSK-NAMSG-01.MGDADSK.autodesk.com> <002a01c832a9$d2d7d0c0$60041718@gwdesk> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76793 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 18:24:15 +0000 (UTC) >This is a great thread which is very revealing. Yeah, definitely. I thought about it a bit last night while not being able to sleep. I don't find that computers suck my creative energy. But, I'm a computer nerd and programmer, so it's become second nature for me to tweak and play with PCs. I think (to me) the computer maintenance and setup is not really that different from changing strings or getting the kinks out of the tangle of wires and stuff. Now I have an extreme number of little electronic boxes so I'm not typical as far as that goes. And learning software is like practice. Not always fun, but necessary. If I spent as much time with Sonar as I have practicing that guitar, I'd be a freaking expert. For me, a computer has added way more toward me being creative than it's sucked the energy out. It's just in how you look at it, I guess. PCs can be very frustrating. They are complicated little buggers. And sometimes, yeah, the breakdown RIGHT when it's most irritating. But then, so is breaking a guitar string in the middle of a creative whirlwind. Or having to replace a battery, or cable, or uh... why isn't the MIDI signal getting from the kbd to the rack it worked yesterday!... or why is the damn guitar buzzing again... The thing that sucks the most creative energy out of me is having to work! Damn. What's that lottery up to?? -- -==-=-=- Tony From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 29 19:28:17 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C6FB53BED2; Thu, 29 Nov 2007 19:28:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.5 Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 20:29:42 +0100 Subject: Most instantly looping hardware looper sought for From: jayrope To: Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-PopBeforeSMTPSenders: adm@kliklak.net,catering@touchdonttouch.com,donations@kliklak.net,girlsunited@kliklak.net,hardman@kliklak.net,imperial@kliklak.net,janek@kliklak.net,jayrope@kliklak.net,jlistshit@kliklak.net,jrploopers@kliklak.net,kimmoelomaa@kliklak.net,loi@kliklak.net,msblue@kliklak.net,msgreen@kliklak.net,msorange@kliklak.net,msred@kliklak.net,myspace@touchdonttouch.com,novocaution@kliklak.net,ohsotellus@kliklak.net,pieslice@kliklak.net,pinsky@kliklak.net,reggie@kliklak.net,rope@kliklak.net,scenic@kliklak.net,siegele@kliklak.net,sighs@kliklak.net,silkkonvertor@kliklak.net,tvws@kliklak.net,tvwsorder@kliklak.net,underwarps@kliklak.net,usb@kliklak.net X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - minsk.hostforweb.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - kliklak.net X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76794 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 19:28:17 +0000 (UTC) Hello all, i own a Repeater and a Lexicon Jamman and i have ultimately landed at using the Jamman live almost only, because for some reason it's 12-bit converters sound much more pleasant than the Repeater, but most importantly it is a device that works MUCH faster to me live while improvising songs from scratch. Now what i am looking for is an even more direct way of looping: a hardware device which could loop instantly this way: - pressing a start pedal starts recording instantly, pressing same button again starts the first loop. - pressing start again would get back to recording (not overdubbing but replacing) and another hit on start would start the new loop again at its new loop length. - a second pedal could be used to overdub on a loop playing already. what i want to avoid is the slight moment with the jamman, where i have to stop a loop first to be able to record again hen. any idea which looper, preferrrably cheap, optionally battery operated and with no more than two pedals or footswitches could perform this? (no computer-releated stuff, please, i really dislike computers on stage, stops me from playing to handle a mouse or having to watch a monitor...) thankful for any hint --- Best greets from Berlin. jayrope - online noise collage: http://txp.kliklak.net/kliklak/kliklakofonie downloads: http://txp.kliklak.net/jayrope/downsidedomehole other: http://www.kliklak.net http://www.touchdonttouch.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 29 20:27:20 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 98F3B3BECF; Thu, 29 Nov 2007 20:27:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <474F20C0.7090905@post.cybercity.dk> Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 21:27:44 +0100 From: van Sinn Organization: van Sinn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: How far does looping go back? Farther than you think.... References: <86783.9999.qm@web35110.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <20071114114223.t6ckosxc8408888c@69.89.21.76> <003e01c8317b$8ce7d080$6401a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> <64b81a780711272108u60b45a0cp8432b8ea09655f58@mail.gmail.com> <00aa01c831d6$6b760c40$6401a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76795 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 20:27:20 +0000 (UTC) Travis Hartnett wrote: > http://www.tunnelsinger.com/perform.htm > > "Providing one of the most spectacular views in the Bay Area, this > World War II coastal defense facility has a tunnel with an 8-second > natural acoustic reverberation. > Ravens in Moonlight is recorded in this tunnel." Damn, if only I could have a portable model.. >>BTW, what's the longest delay time you've experienced by shouting in a large >>canyon or cave? >> >>Kris -- rgds, van Sinn From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 29 20:31:02 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DF3DD3BED3; Thu, 29 Nov 2007 20:31:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=jX63EeWZyP/pY+UG46Q+HzlGkK5RzMTqY74BHJPXcRM0HkBQ32JtcVno+9PqJoALbkbYODLnBwfnljSvgxx1EXPpXoPHQT1Ynany44dEUBDNaP8bwhwOgSpA6tJ0fh9Q/nfZ3RoxbR30kOr+z7fSGs4NoTVoUY9+vVq4Osc2QNU=; X-YMail-OSG: Dd61T6oVM1m3Sn4PHi_Mh_a27HfdfBEf5wCsRy7XvjkeKQwOQ52l36IEAw3PAly1l.bmDxgDiM4xPQQt6ds7JpS9vYAzCXNY78EvhQByEjMRBmLUd4Ra_7Vk39eCURAOPTQYfGNpNgmT_k8- X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/818.27 YahooMailWebService/0.7.157 Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 12:31:01 -0800 (PST) From: chuck silva Subject: Re: computers suck creative energy To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-814751562-1196368261=:45439" Message-ID: <542206.45439.qm@web58509.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: <1yK2c.A.DiE.GGyTHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76796 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 20:31:02 +0000 (UTC) --0-814751562-1196368261=:45439 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Very good points Tony! Computers are awesome creative tools if you're willing to 'practice' learning the software!!! The vast majority of lottery winners lives are destroyed by the overwhelming power of money. Perhaps it's best to stay humble and poor? NOT! Chuck Silva http://www.myspace.com/chucksilva ----- Original Message ---- From: Tony K To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2007 1:24:13 PM Subject: Re: computers suck creative energy >This is a great thread which is very revealing. Yeah, definitely. I thought about it a bit last night while not being able to sleep. I don't find that computers suck my creative energy. But, I'm a computer nerd and programmer, so it's become second nature for me to tweak and play with PCs. I think (to me) the computer maintenance and setup is not really that different from changing strings or getting the kinks out of the tangle of wires and stuff. Now I have an extreme number of little electronic boxes so I'm not typical as far as that goes. And learning software is like practice. Not always fun, but necessary. If I spent as much time with Sonar as I have practicing that guitar, I'd be a freaking expert. For me, a computer has added way more toward me being creative than it's sucked the energy out. It's just in how you look at it, I guess. PCs can be very frustrating. They are complicated little buggers. And sometimes, yeah, the breakdown RIGHT when it's most irritating. But then, so is breaking a guitar string in the middle of a creative whirlwind. Or having to replace a battery, or cable, or uh... why isn't the MIDI signal getting from the kbd to the rack it worked yesterday!... or why is the damn guitar buzzing again... The thing that sucks the most creative energy out of me is having to work! Damn. What's that lottery up to?? -- -==-=-=- Tony ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better sports nut! Let your teams follow you with Yahoo Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/sports;_ylt=At9_qDKvtAbMuh1G1SQtBI7ntAcJ --0-814751562-1196368261=:45439 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
        Very good points Tony!

        Computers are awesome creative tools if you're willing to 'practice' learning the software!!!

        The vast majority of lottery winners lives are destroyed by the overwhelming power of money. Perhaps it's best to stay humble and poor? NOT!
         
        Chuck Silva
        http://www.myspace.com/chucksilva


        ----- Original Message ----
        From: Tony K <bigtonyk@gmail.com>
        To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
        Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2007 1:24:13 PM
        Subject: Re: computers suck creative energy

        >This is a great thread which is very revealing.

        Yeah, definitely.  I thought about it a bit last night while not being
        able to sleep.  I don't find that computers suck my creative energy.
        But, I'm a computer nerd and programmer, so it's become second nature
        for me to tweak and play with PCs.  I think (to me) the computer
        maintenance and setup is not really that different from changing
        strings or getting the kinks out of the tangle of wires and stuff.
        Now I have an extreme number of little electronic boxes so I'm not
        typical as far as that goes.  And learning software is like practice.
        Not always fun, but necessary.  If I spent as much time with Sonar as
        I have practicing that guitar, I'd be a freaking expert.

        For me, a computer has added way more toward me being creative than
        it's sucked the energy out.  It's just in how you look at it, I guess.
        PCs can be very frustrating.  They are complicated little buggers.
        And sometimes, yeah, the breakdown RIGHT when it's most irritating.
        But then, so is breaking a guitar string in the middle of a creative
        whirlwind.  Or having to replace a battery, or cable, or uh... why
        isn't the MIDI signal getting from the kbd to the rack it worked
        yesterday!... or why is the damn guitar buzzing again...

        The thing that sucks the most creative energy out of me is having to
        work!  Damn.

        What's that lottery up to??

        --
        -==-=-=-
        Tony



        Be a better pen pal. Text or chat with friends inside Yahoo! Mail. See how. --0-814751562-1196368261=:45439-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 29 20:31:13 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 68BAC3BEE2; Thu, 29 Nov 2007 20:31:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=bCwTNaFR26W3rDEu4iuN/FehYsMBD6y1jvH3asUNtTxamlcGhTw1H01KvFFragNnVKuRpAKLsVXZNaX7ZJnszbfc6BeIRItKNDemXH1P2ak/PTdL89tBV1HI3QIWJxCmZwY/Geqt0XA8O/xVTeIDDO2mel3JNs4BhT5rquAQ4rI=; X-YMail-OSG: 7Kly9h0VM1l0IrQTWCVTHWRjl1JWJG2DuHRAB.tCYZigHXzk1YJKZOlrxEnAFbhvhA-- X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/818.27 YahooMailWebService/0.7.157 Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 12:31:12 -0800 (PST) From: chuck silva Subject: Re: computers suck creative energy To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1153488036-1196368272=:73602" Message-ID: <727754.73602.qm@web58512.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76797 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 20:31:13 +0000 (UTC) --0-1153488036-1196368272=:73602 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Very good points Tony! Computers are awesome creative tools if you're willing to 'practice' learning the software!!! The vast majority of lottery winners lives are destroyed by the overwhelming power of money. Perhaps it's best to stay humble and poor? NOT! Chuck Silva http://www.myspace.com/chucksilva ----- Original Message ---- From: Tony K To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2007 1:24:13 PM Subject: Re: computers suck creative energy >This is a great thread which is very revealing. Yeah, definitely. I thought about it a bit last night while not being able to sleep. I don't find that computers suck my creative energy. But, I'm a computer nerd and programmer, so it's become second nature for me to tweak and play with PCs. I think (to me) the computer maintenance and setup is not really that different from changing strings or getting the kinks out of the tangle of wires and stuff. Now I have an extreme number of little electronic boxes so I'm not typical as far as that goes. And learning software is like practice. Not always fun, but necessary. If I spent as much time with Sonar as I have practicing that guitar, I'd be a freaking expert. For me, a computer has added way more toward me being creative than it's sucked the energy out. It's just in how you look at it, I guess. PCs can be very frustrating. They are complicated little buggers. And sometimes, yeah, the breakdown RIGHT when it's most irritating. But then, so is breaking a guitar string in the middle of a creative whirlwind. Or having to replace a battery, or cable, or uh... why isn't the MIDI signal getting from the kbd to the rack it worked yesterday!... or why is the damn guitar buzzing again... The thing that sucks the most creative energy out of me is having to work! Damn. What's that lottery up to?? -- -==-=-=- Tony ____________________________________________________________________________________ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs --0-1153488036-1196368272=:73602 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
        Very good points Tony!

        Computers are awesome creative tools if you're willing to 'practice' learning the software!!!

        The vast majority of lottery winners lives are destroyed by the overwhelming power of money. Perhaps it's best to stay humble and poor? NOT!
         
        Chuck Silva
        http://www.myspace.com/chucksilva


        ----- Original Message ----
        From: Tony K <bigtonyk@gmail.com>
        To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
        Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2007 1:24:13 PM
        Subject: Re: computers suck creative energy

        >This is a great thread which is very revealing.

        Yeah, definitely.  I thought about it a bit last night while not being
        able to sleep.  I don't find that computers suck my creative energy.
        But, I'm a computer nerd and programmer, so it's become second nature
        for me to tweak and play with PCs.  I think (to me) the computer
        maintenance and setup is not really that different from changing
        strings or getting the kinks out of the tangle of wires and stuff.
        Now I have an extreme number of little electronic boxes so I'm not
        typical as far as that goes.  And learning software is like practice.
        Not always fun, but necessary.  If I spent as much time with Sonar as
        I have practicing that guitar, I'd be a freaking expert.

        For me, a computer has added way more toward me being creative than
        it's sucked the energy out.  It's just in how you look at it, I guess.
        PCs can be very frustrating.  They are complicated little buggers.
        And sometimes, yeah, the breakdown RIGHT when it's most irritating.
        But then, so is breaking a guitar string in the middle of a creative
        whirlwind.  Or having to replace a battery, or cable, or uh... why
        isn't the MIDI signal getting from the kbd to the rack it worked
        yesterday!... or why is the damn guitar buzzing again...

        The thing that sucks the most creative energy out of me is having to
        work!  Damn.

        What's that lottery up to??

        --
        -==-=-=-
        Tony



        Be a better sports nut! Let your teams follow you with Yahoo Mobile. Try it now. --0-1153488036-1196368272=:73602-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 29 20:35:42 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A5C1D3BEB9; Thu, 29 Nov 2007 20:35:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: Glenn Poorman To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 12:35:31 -0800 Subject: RE: computers suck creative energy Thread-Topic: computers suck creative energy Thread-Index: AcgysC2/OUoXxBUjRqy5gRrlGLKfhAAFnAug Message-ID: <54A0E51A24352642A1682F35DF740741177081BC50@ADSK-NAMSG-01.MGDADSK.autodesk.com> References: <573011.83040.qm@web58509.mail.re3.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <573011.83040.qm@web58509.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: en-US Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_54A0E51A24352642A1682F35DF740741177081BC50ADSKNAMSG01MG_" MIME-Version: 1.0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76798 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 20:35:42 +0000 (UTC) --_000_54A0E51A24352642A1682F35DF740741177081BC50ADSKNAMSG01MG_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I think that, to a degree also, this will depend on exactly what it is you = want or how you perceive yourself. Some people look at themselves as guitarists, keyboardis= ts, bassists ... etc. For me, I'm comfortable with the notion that there are lots of people out t= here who play better than I do technically. That doesn't matter though because I generally consi= der myself a composer, song writer, recording artist and the instruments I use to achieve that are= rather secondary. Or maybe it's better to say I use whatever I need to achieve the music I want = to make. So when I moved into the world of computers for recording, sampling, synths= , etc I found it to be extremely liberating. As a matter of fact, I can pretty much guarantee t= hat if this stuff had been available to me back when I was in college, I would have flunked out o= f school because I would have never ever left my studio J I like to think of the studio as an instrument in and of itself. Glenn From: chuck silva [mailto:chucksilva1@yahoo.com] Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2007 12:49 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: computers suck creative energy I completely agree with you Per. In fact I'd take it a bit further and say the computer IS a magnificent cre= ative tool. Indeed it DOES NOT suck creative energy-unless the musician suc= ks. They are in fact truly inspirational. Modern computer and web technology such as MIDI and mp3 give enthusiasts and comp= osers unprecedented power to compose, manipulate, and play or perform music= . If one is willing to apply oneself to get through the learning curve associ= ated with most music programs, sequencers, samplers, VSTs, Virtual Studios,= one will be rewarded with unlimited power. The challenge is to free the mind of conventional thinking. I know this is a controversial topic and is ultimately up to ones own obser= vation. Peace. Chuck Silva http://www.myspace.com/chucksilva ----- Original Message ---- From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2007 5:16:12 AM Subject: Re: computers suck creative energy I would fully agree that "setting up a computer suck creative energy"! But using it, when finally set up, that's just amazingly creative IMHO. Never the less I'm finding the subject line amusing ;-)) Great thread. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://www.youtube.com/pellibox (gritty) ________________________________ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. --_000_54A0E51A24352642A1682F35DF740741177081BC50ADSKNAMSG01MG_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

        I think that, to a degree also, this will depend on exactly = what it is you want or how you

        perceive yourself. Some people look at themselves as guitari= sts, keyboardists, bassists … etc.

        For me, I’m comfortable with the notion that there are lots of people out there who play better

        than I do technically. That doesn’t matter though beca= use I generally consider myself a composer,

        song writer, recording artist and the instruments I use to a= chieve that are rather secondary. Or

        maybe it’s better to say I use whatever I need to achi= eve the music I want to make.

         

        So when I moved into the world of computers for recording, sampling, synths, etc I found it to

        be extremely liberating. As a matter of fact, I can pretty m= uch guarantee that if this stuff had

        been available to me back when I was in college, I would hav= e flunked out of school because

        I would have never ever left my studio J

         

        I like to think of the studio as an instrument in and of its= elf.

         

        Glenn

         

        From: chuck silva [mailto:chucksilva1@yahoo.com]
        Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2007 12:49 PM
        To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
        Subject: Re: computers suck creative energy

         

        I completely agree with you Per.

        In fact I'd take it a bit further and say the computer IS a magnificent<= /i> creative tool. Indeed it DOES NOT suck creative energy-unless the musician sucks.

        They are in fact truly inspirational.

        Modern computer and web technology such as MIDI and mp3 give enthusia= sts and composers unprecedented power to compose, manipulate, and play or perform music. 

        If one is willing to apply oneself to get through the learning curve associ= ated with most music programs, sequencers, samplers, VSTs, Virtual Studios, one = will be rewarded with unlimited power.

        The challenge is to free the mind of conventional thinking.

        I know this is a controversial topic and is ultimately up to ones own observation.

        Peace.

         

        Chuck Silva
        http://www.= myspace.com/chucksilva

         

        ----- Original Message = ----
        From: Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com>
        To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
        Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2007 5:16:12 AM
        Subject: Re: computers suck creative energy

        I would fully agree that "setting up a computer suck creative  energy"! But using it, when finally set up, that's just amazingly = ;
        creative IMHO. Never the less I'm finding the subject line 
        amusing ;-)) Great thread.

        Greetings from Sweden

        Per Boysen
        www.boysen.se (Swedi= sh)
        www.looproom.com (international)
        http://www.yo= utube.com/pellibox (gritty)



         

         

        Never miss a thing. Make = Yahoo your homepage.

        --_000_54A0E51A24352642A1682F35DF740741177081BC50ADSKNAMSG01MG_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 29 20:39:22 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9C2BB3BEDA; Thu, 29 Nov 2007 20:39:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.ca; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=qqvj092j3x9cWncR6/dAcPYSkJbksCwmeDaPoUHguVxJXo29a5f93vYrs0GZRnb5VeXcPMlUW/912bmRtE2I3vjSdUjVHJZpn8nnbbXIzo0Q5ZEohQeINAOteohOYMYh4nANH1f8tfBAaPJ5D/S1CvPZFXn9AaBtBHIOcxBuATo=; X-YMail-OSG: zdnwFEAVM1mRo7brgheHFaLjOLheYvtml.KK5bpv9KMAt9H9cTWTXGBXOTtggPODGowxvklsZQt7VkVA6YARMFT_B.OBBNsLg4an Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 15:39:21 -0500 (EST) From: bradm Subject: Re: Most instantly looping hardware looper sought for To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <450655.69405.qm@web33110.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76799 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 20:39:22 +0000 (UTC) --- jayrope wrote: > Now what i am looking for is an even more direct way > of looping: a hardware > device which could loop instantly this way: > > - pressing a start pedal starts recording instantly, > pressing same button > again starts the first loop. > - pressing start again would get back to recording > (not overdubbing but > replacing) and another hit on start would start the > new loop again at its > new loop length. > - a second pedal could be used to overdub on a loop > playing already. I've thought about something similar (for guitar). I want to get into looping, but most of the units I've seen are so crammed with features I don't (currently) want, that they're hard to use. What I really want is a "one-shot" looper: - single-width pedal (or even smaller, say, Guyatone micro-effect sized) - two controls: a knob to control the level, and a footswitch - no persistent memory: power it up, and it's blank and ready to record - press on the switch once, play, press the switch again, and what you played starts playing/looping (with an LED that blinks at you at the start of each loop); the max. loop length would be 30 or 60 seconds - no overdubbing capability - while the loop is playing, press the switch once and the loop is muted (it's still looping/cycling, but you don't hear it); a "mute" LED lights up - press the switch again, and the loop un-mutes (at whatever part of the loop it's at, or maybe it re-starts) - press and hold the switch (e.g., 2 secs, min.) and the loop will stop and be deleted when you let up on the switch; you're then ready to record a new loop I actually sent a note about this idea to Guyatone, suggesting it for their micro-effect line. If they could sell it for $100, I'd probably buy two. (They're revamping that line at the moment, so it's unlikely they'll do it, or do it soon.) So, as a similar question: what's the simplest (in terms of features and operation) looper for guitars? I don't want any other effects, I don't want it do anything except store and play one loop. Aloha, Brad Be smarter than spam. See how smart SpamGuard is at giving junk email the boot with the All-new Yahoo! Mail. Click on Options in Mail and switch to New Mail today or register for free at http://mail.yahoo.ca From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 29 20:43:41 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 345733BEF5; Thu, 29 Nov 2007 20:43:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <2D74FC93-06B4-4A4B-B89E-D3112ABC1810@atarde.com.br> From: Matthias Grob To: Loop List In-Reply-To: <011301c832b4$55de6740$5901a8c0@bobdell> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v915) Subject: Re: How far does looping go back? Farther than you think.... X-Priority: 3 Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 17:43:32 -0300 References: <717785.53803.qm@web58501.mail.re3.yahoo.com> <474EFF2C.1040108@gmail.com> <011301c832b4$55de6740$5901a8c0@bobdell> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.915) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at atarde.com.br Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76800 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 20:43:41 +0000 (UTC) On 29 Nov 2007, at 15:19, Bob Amstadt wrote: > >> Looping looks like a musical reincarnation of evolution. > > I've always thought that looping was a religious experience. ;-) > in the LOOP delay manual, I wrote that playing hint about self therapy (which is on the LD site) Keith said: "take out the loop religion stuff !" and ordered a completely new manual from our Warren for the EDP Other friends say that its not good to talk about our deeper intentions to improve the world. "just sell the instrument, then they can see or not, what you meant with it" what do you think? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 29 20:44:30 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A6CDB3BEDD; Thu, 29 Nov 2007 20:44:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <007201c832c8$c74efe30$19b2a8c0@netzrechner> From: "Tilmann Dehnhard" To: References: <28E697ED-2407-4BA9-87C4-FA73AC51B1DD@gmail.com> <008801c832a8$5678c8f0$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> Subject: Re: How far does looping go back? Farther than you think.... Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 21:45:28 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX19y/6huL/64VhX3wCnlzgzpeBxr9Lazk+uw5zF 36xWO8GfejE3cEEpzUUEX537+2GKCA9l/rpJwFrh67mDgo3gxs FWtGXO6D9QyNyEK/dYVH4dTEVgAkRht Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76801 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 20:44:30 +0000 (UTC) who told this story about IInd world war scientists gathering some military big shots to present a looping machine for radio personnell to hear and recheck their messages to the pilots? after the presentation started, somebody laughed. to the amusement of the crowd, the laughter got repeated, somebody found that funny and laughed, which got recorded, etc, finally resulting in the whole room to break up in laughter until somebody had to stop the machine. they buried the loopmachine - too diverting, probably. was it oliver sacks? or paul watzlawick? tilmann ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Peters" To: "Loopers Delight" Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2007 5:53 PM Subject: RE: How far does looping go back? Farther than you think.... in the mid-eighties, a historic water reservoir building in Cologne, Germany was pumped empty, and opened to the public for a short time before it was flooded again. It was a huge rectangular basement hall with columns, not looking very spectacular, but the reverb was truly mindblowing - about 45 seconds. (Yes, reverb is not the same as echo but maybe it is interesting anyway) In the short time of its opening, the hall saw dance performances and recordings of various musiicians. A long out of print double LP called "Vor der Flut" (Before the Flood) contained performances of C.Bauer, Butz Dähn, Heiner Goebbels, Michael Köhler, Joe Koinzer, Roberto Laneri, Pauline Oliveros, Saxophon Mafia, Helmut Scherner, Büdi Siebert, Trio Basso Köln. -Michael www.michaelpeters.de From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 29 20:57:53 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3E09A3BECF; Thu, 29 Nov 2007 20:57:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=PbiIDUOH/5G/0TcYq6SwDaad2Ckbk5nfpv5RVGk09ro=; b=s1Kx4tUJs1kkjj2jQ1XtZFvvX5YF7jYLGSvPausb39Py1zi2gRHfjXTfvuC+IcAo+Sj3Cj68TVLIJvWYARIu8rK/n6Kg3RhUF3+noSQKrHG7WNRltilOaecWbWbM3iJDBt5tYF1ykd7LIooVDRlw/BuZ0Dn3fBujEfTa3eypKlo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=DDzhgvgixEhgbwim8oqC/X05o78649AHXohYDdrp6sD49eTa65EeAqn6/Bc6mLNBO5fj9CbEB1UCDvqhupHlWdHlguL4w4VMPBZ4Z84fH6oBZJMYvx24IYvVZXBdgFtMYoIJmzXBV6Eso/PAmoyURuRfHg+JXXBNIOBg1YNohUI= Message-ID: Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 15:57:50 -0500 From: "Tony K" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: computers suck creative energy In-Reply-To: <542206.45439.qm@web58509.mail.re3.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <542206.45439.qm@web58509.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76802 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 20:57:53 +0000 (UTC) > The vast majority of lottery winners lives are destroyed by the overwhelming > power of money. Perhaps it's best to stay humble and poor? NOT! I think I'd take my chances! :) Work is a double edged sword. It pays for me to buy all the stuff I have, but it zaps my energy so I don't always feel like playing with all that stuff... and I get sucked into computer games.. hehe I have a hell of a lot of respect for all of you out there who make a living as musicians or artists. I come from a family with a bunch of artists and growing up I could see how tough it was. I was a fairly decent artist as a teen and I got asked quite a bit if that's what I was going to do "when I grew up" but nope, I saw how really really hard it was. I also realized that I didn't have that kind of motivation. My grandfather (who was very good and made a decent living at it) told me that being an artist was 10% art and 90% real work. I discovered computers and well, that was that. I was hooked. It took a few years for the technology to mature (I started on a VIC20 in '82), but I think it's great that I can meld my artist/musician interests with my PC skills. Still, I'd like to be able to spend my time writing music and doing art than sitting in an office writing software. Tony On Nov 29, 2007 3:31 PM, chuck silva wrote: > > Very good points Tony! > > Computers are awesome creative tools if you're willing to 'practice' > learning the software!!! > > The vast majority of lottery winners lives are destroyed by the overwhelming > power of money. Perhaps it's best to stay humble and poor? NOT! > > Chuck Silva > http://www.myspace.com/chucksilva > > > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: Tony K > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2007 1:24:13 PM > Subject: Re: computers suck creative energy > > > >This is a great thread which is very revealing. > > Yeah, definitely. I thought about it a bit last night while not being > able to sleep. I don't find that computers suck my creative energy. > But, I'm a computer nerd and programmer, so it's become second nature > for me to tweak and play with PCs. I think (to me) the computer > maintenance and setup is not really that different from changing > strings or getting the kinks out of the tangle of wires and stuff. > Now I have an extreme number of little electronic boxes so I'm not > typical as far as that goes. And learning software is like practice. > Not always fun, but necessary. If I spent as much time with Sonar as > I have practicing that guitar, I'd be a freaking expert. > > For me, a computer has added way more toward me being creative than > it's sucked the energy out. It's just in how you look at it, I guess. > PCs can be very frustrating. They are complicated little buggers. > And sometimes, yeah, the breakdown RIGHT when it's most irritating. > But then, so is breaking a guitar string in the middle of a creative > whirlwind. Or having to replace a battery, or cable, or uh... why > isn't the MIDI signal getting from the kbd to the rack it worked > yesterday!... or why is the damn guitar buzzing again... > > The thing that sucks the most creative energy out of me is having to > work! Damn. > > What's that lottery up to?? > > -- > -==-=-=- > Tony From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 29 21:02:43 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3653B3BEC2; Thu, 29 Nov 2007 21:02:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=8cucSmTe9VPmO43Anpw5CSWK8J/H2RX1LP+2+RGfwG0=; b=wsGrI8eKWKL+mAFWJOMwLkAiJoozUdFvSi9DQjDHsqR5+xteJn8i1Ck2u9qYVOfTf0VEHhToDcB42+gprz7MeJ8cw4hq797vkHlZ2FI+h/wxMePVxzVjV57PDJCNtkoRihIQXCVYDQNOAbOdUgihiykjOs/Ulu2tDKUVvD0iHew= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=V24cgQqx/ksNQdFLZfy+HNRwMMYuZERTy7MWTB1qyMljqATO9cWs2blhteSv8hUrlCpIjMzpAd0q9mXGmlxrlbiu7b951dGX3rY88SM6yBispUUNhDnYnojmEnreSYvJP49C84mUtOyHJQ6WtOJr4Mn65BTlPMxPoy8kkDbsT64= Message-ID: Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 22:02:41 +0100 From: "Raul Bonell" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Norwich Loopfest In-Reply-To: <008901c832a8$efbaf240$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_13196_16105045.1196370161503" References: <008901c832a8$efbaf240$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76803 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 21:02:43 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_13196_16105045.1196370161503 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Wow! Risky but well done! Remember some years ago, I did this in front of Kenny Larkin (detroit dj) and i think he even didn't noticed it! ha,ha,ha.. Besides I invited a friend in the audience to jam playing flute over "during" the performance ... brave old days!. R. 2007/11/29, Michael Peters : > > > hi michael "one man band" peters > > regarding the rythms in your set... > > .. did you used some type of hardware > > sequencer or it was a laptop? > > the sounds were produced with Steinberg GrooveAgent, with some variation > and random, and recorded to a CDR which I used as drum sound source during > the gig (I fed the drums into a loop while playing "bass" guitar on top) > > Michael > http://www.michaelpeters.de/livelooping2007.htm > > -- The Playing Orchestra: http://www.telefonica.net/web2/tpo Chain Tape Collective: http://www.ct-collective.com TPO at myspace: http://www.myspace.com/theplayingorchestra ------=_Part_13196_16105045.1196370161503 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Wow! Risky but well done!
        Remember some years ago,
        I did this in front of Kenny Larkin (detroit dj)
        and i think he even didn't noticed it! ha,ha,ha..
        Besides I invited a friend in the audience
        to jam playing flute over "during" the performance
        ... brave old days!.

        R.

        2007/11/29, Michael Peters <mp@mpeters.de>:
        > hi michael "one man band" peters
        > regarding the rythms in your set...
        > .. did you used some type of hardware
        > sequencer or it was a laptop? 
         
        the sounds were produced with Steinberg GrooveAgent, with some variation and random, and recorded to a CDR which I used as drum sound source during the gig (I fed the drums into a loop while playing "bass" guitar on top)
         
        Michael
         



        --
        The Playing Orchestra: http://www.telefonica.net/web2/tpo
        Chain Tape Collective: http://www.ct-collective.com
        TPO at myspace: http://www.myspace.com/theplayingorchestra ------=_Part_13196_16105045.1196370161503-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 29 21:14:01 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 92CBB3BED0; Thu, 29 Nov 2007 21:14:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=75BqLjAhngV5OpfqzL+RonYKEeEu8ktAcnpy7gsGpyQ=; b=Kk3lJK7Yif3AbQxTL5IAche4PoWaVEvLKxhvHocyyZNSklQSHOetbd1IMcXbO1wjhl7QcSft10Zd3hUGuEpu7lm2CtMsgz9TkDhf00dsSrRWp/6HqUMyJxmdjsC2TPtcL6iLyCuURxGBzOndpr4vqYlnOocJQPJO/6qTO6EJyxs= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=uIkhp7gpMKK1+1mEN6gn/h32R/XW+13l7FGjna1Lwe0Iyl3q03WYoNzvxP5ocQeO246nYYfxw7UkRF9+qKcR/lBrdWrPysXMLjG7iMlV7EELjl2fqouiFSf9j0Y5liSFdj0aMe/EjlTbaaWRNTfHc8Yep83tpYUlofCkQ9TzyIQ= Message-ID: Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 22:14:00 +0100 From: "Raul Bonell" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Virtual Lo Fi Lazer live album shared - "computers to boost creativity" ;-) In-Reply-To: <20071129110502.38afd2j7k008sosk@69.89.21.76> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_13228_29941870.1196370840436" References: <615F3AFB-B4FF-485E-A94E-27D9CB121AD9@gmail.com> <9EEF2B50-8021-4319-8F15-8FC7E130AC41@gmail.com> <9E4F4924-D079-4DF9-A3D3-E97D87E2D75E@gmail.com> <20071129110502.38afd2j7k008sosk@69.89.21.76> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76804 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 21:14:01 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_13228_29941870.1196370840436 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline 2007/11/29, kkissinger@kevinkissinger.com : > > > "Musical" = lots of wrong notes, unsteady rhythm, a sincere effort > that failed. > "Unmusical" = no wrong notes, every nuance perfectly executed, but > none-the-less unexciting. Sincerely Kevin, I had never seen it that way and really makes sense ;-) Yeah... they just told you what's gone bad. je,je,je Either way, you lose. > I feel your pain. Thanks, I finally passed. Gotta love classical music! :) Why not?.. -- Kevin **with an eeeevile grin** > > Love this list! Bye, R. -- The Playing Orchestra: http://www.telefonica.net/web2/tpo Chain Tape Collective: http://www.ct-collective.com TPO at myspace: http://www.myspace.com/theplayingorchestra ------=_Part_13228_29941870.1196370840436 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline

        2007/11/29, kkissinger@kevinkissinger.com <kkissinger@kevinkissinger.com>:

        "Musical" = lots of wrong notes, unsteady rhythm, a sincere effort
        that failed.
        "Unmusical" = no wrong notes, every nuance perfectly executed, but
        none-the-less unexciting.

        Sincerely Kevin, I had never seen it that way and really makes sense ;-)
        Yeah... they just told you what's gone bad. je,je,je

        Either way, you lose.
        I feel your pain.

        Thanks, I finally passed.

        Gotta love classical music!  :)

        Why not?.. 

        -- Kevin  **with an eeeevile grin**


        Love this list!
        Bye, R.

        --
        The Playing Orchestra: http://www.telefonica.net/web2/tpo
        Chain Tape Collective: http://www.ct-collective.com
        TPO at myspace: http://www.myspace.com/theplayingorchestra ------=_Part_13228_29941870.1196370840436-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 29 21:22:15 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DB2043BED6; Thu, 29 Nov 2007 21:22:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <019101c832cd$d4071ea0$5901a8c0@bobdell> Reply-To: "Bob Amstadt" From: "Bob Amstadt" To: "Matthias Grob" , "Loopers Delight" References: <717785.53803.qm@web58501.mail.re3.yahoo.com> <474EFF2C.1040108@gmail.com> <011301c832b4$55de6740$5901a8c0@bobdell> Subject: Re: How far does looping go back? Farther than you think.... Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 13:21:38 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76805 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 21:22:15 +0000 (UTC) > Other friends say that its not good to talk about our deeper intentions > to improve the world. "just sell the instrument, then they can see or > not, what you meant with it" I guess everybody has their own opinion, but even before I got into looping I have always found music to be therapeutic. I know many musicians that describe playing in that way. After all, music is a form of art. Art is all about expressing feelings through some medium. In our case, that medium is sound. I think in some ways, looping is even more intimate because we are forced to interact with the emotions that were just given form by ourselves. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 29 21:37:50 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 038823BEC5; Thu, 29 Nov 2007 21:37:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-RZG-CLASS-ID: mo07 X-RZG-AUTH: lUESeo99iNzPL8kuBgLYdKEqUywq9cxqeRA+BtFcSCD10+29g0ZOTbApUQ== From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: AW: Most instantly looping hardware looper sought for Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 22:38:19 +0100 Organization: Moinlabs Message-ID: <001d01c832d0$28b8df90$1001a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 In-Reply-To: Thread-Index: Acgyvf5+6tSDFLqwRIOMOq00z+SUYQADzT/Q Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76806 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 21:37:49 +0000 (UTC) > - pressing a start pedal starts recording instantly, pressing > same button again starts the first loop. > - pressing start again would get back to recording (not > overdubbing but > replacing) and another hit on start would start the new loop > again at its new loop length. > - a second pedal could be used to overdub on a loop playing already. You need: * a DL4 * some 74xx series ICs * a soldering iron In looper mode, the logic of the DL4 is like this (footswitches and LEDs numbered from left to right): * In the beginning, all LEDs are off ("standby mode"). * Start recording with FS1. LED1 and LED2 light up. ("recording mode") * You close the loop with FS2 (LED1 goes out, LED2 stays on) ("playing mode") * To start a new loop, you have to press FS2, (LEDs go out, "standby mode"), then start from the beginning. So the logic you need for your one-pedal looper to react to a press of that switch is: if NOT LED2 then -- standby mode FS1 elseif LED1 then -- recording mode FS2 else -- playing mode FS2, FS1 after delay -- wait an unnoticeable delay, e.g. 1ms, then start recording end if Or for your two-pedal looper (sw1 - start pedal, sw2 - overdub pedal) if sw1'event then if NOT LED2 then -- see above FS1 elseif LED1 then FS2 else FS2, FS1 after delay end if elseif sw2'event then if LED2 then -- only does something when a loop is playing FS1 end if end if Use 74xx logic gates and a 1ms delay and wired OR to wire those two pedals to control FS1 and FS2, also taking in LED1 and LED2. If you're crafty, you can fit it in the original box and spend considerably less than $10. Rainer From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 29 21:38:06 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A81E63BED6; Thu, 29 Nov 2007 21:38:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Michael Peters" To: "CT-Collective" , "Loopers Delight" Subject: The Absurd Advent Calendar Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 22:38:03 +0100 Message-ID: <00e301c832d0$1f7b2690$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00E4_01C832D8.813F8E90" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Thread-Index: Acgyxt84b67hlgn8R0ypcVkrXYldpAABvqlg Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76807 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 21:38:06 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00E4_01C832D8.813F8E90 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit A band that I love to play with is my friend Michael Frank's The Absurd. (For the CT folks among us: MF was featured with a piece on the CT-Great Speeches project.) The Absurd's website http://www.theabsurd.de consists mostly of advent calendars, each one styled very differently, starting in the year 2000 - the new 2007 advent calendar has just been completed so there are now eight calendars to browse (the 2007 calendar can only be opened starting from December 1st, day by day, of course). Each of the calendars has 24 doors, and each of the doors leads to images and mp3s from The Absurd's band history and current activities. As this band already looks back to more than 20 years of history, there is lots and lots of stuff to listen to - and the new calendar even features videos, I have heard. :-) If you love avantgarde rock music, improvisation, and experiments, please visit this page, and especially keep visiting the current calendar till the Dec 24 finale. Yes, this calendar also features some of my own stuff. Yes, it features some looping here and there, but much more than that. Michael www.michaelpeters.de www.ct-collective.com _____ The Absurd Person Singular... The Absurd Person Plural Welcome to a new edition of The Absurd Advent Calendar. Its title was obviously inspired by Alan Ayckbourne's play "Absurd Person Singular". Check it out. This year the calendar presents to you various members of The Absurd as soloists - performances recorded within the framework of The Absurd or as part of individual solo projects. Apart from featuring the considerable talents of the singers and players this calendars serves as a reminder of how much fun it is to play and interact with with friends in a band. A heartfelt thank you to everybody who has contributed sights and sounds to this calendar. Praise of the highest order to the tireless Martin Ziegler (web organ) and the unbelievable Vera P. Zielke (calendar drawing). Enjoy, Michael Frank look 'n listen at http://www.theabsurd.de ------=_NextPart_000_00E4_01C832D8.813F8E90 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
        A=20 band that I love to play with is my friend Michael Frank's The Absurd. = (For the=20 CT folks among us: MF was featured with a piece on the CT-Great Speeches = project.)
         
        The Absurd's website http://www.theabsurd.de consists mostly of advent calendars, each one = styled=20 very differently, starting in the year 2000 - the new 2007 advent = calendar has=20 just been completed so there are now eight calendars to browse (the 2007 = calendar can only be opened starting from December 1st, day by day, = of=20 course).
         
        Each of the calendars has 24 doors, and each = of the=20 doors leads to images and mp3s from The Absurd's band history and = current=20 activities. As this band already looks back to more than = 20 years=20 of history, there is lots and lots of stuff to listen to - and the new = calendar=20 even features videos, I have heard. :-)
         
        If you love avantgarde rock music, = improvisation, and=20 experiments, please visit this page, and especially keep visiting the = current=20 calendar till the Dec 24 finale. Yes, this calendar also features some = of my own=20 stuff. Yes, it features some looping here and there, but much more than=20 that.
         
        Michael
        www.michaelpeters.de
        www.ct-collective.com

        The Absurd Person Singular...
        The Absurd Person=20 Plural

        Welcome to a new edition of The Absurd Advent = Calendar. Its=20 title was obviously inspired by Alan Ayckbourne's play "Absurd Person = Singular".=20 Check it out.
        This year the calendar presents to you various members = of The=20 Absurd as soloists - performances recorded within the framework of The = Absurd or=20 as part of individual solo projects.
        Apart from featuring the = considerable=20 talents of the singers and players this calendars serves as a reminder = of how=20 much fun it is to play and interact with with friends in a band. A = heartfelt=20 thank you to everybody who has contributed sights and sounds to this = calendar.=20 Praise of the highest order to the tireless Martin Ziegler (web organ) = and the=20 unbelievable Vera P. Zielke (calendar drawing).

        Enjoy, Michael = Frank=20

        look 'n listen at http://www.theabsurd.de

        ------=_NextPart_000_00E4_01C832D8.813F8E90-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 29 21:52:11 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6A0983BEC1; Thu, 29 Nov 2007 21:52:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <006301c832d2$5557d680$6401a8c0@MusicComputer> From: "Tom Rex" To: References: <00e301c832d0$1f7b2690$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> Subject: Re: The Absurd Advent Calendar Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 14:53:53 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0060_01C83297.A8BB0B20" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 071129-0, 11/29/2007), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76808 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 21:52:11 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0060_01C83297.A8BB0B20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks, Michael. Cool site! I actually bought one of the Advent = Calendars at Trader Joe's yesterday. Nice twist MF has there! Tom http://www.myspace.com/yetanotherbeatmaker=20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Michael Peters=20 To: CT-Collective ; Loopers Delight=20 Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2007 2:38 PM Subject: The Absurd Advent Calendar A band that I love to play with is my friend Michael Frank's The = Absurd. (For the CT folks among us: MF was featured with a piece on the = CT-Great Speeches project.)=20 The Absurd's website http://www.theabsurd.de consists mostly of advent = calendars, each one styled very differently, starting in the year 2000 - = the new 2007 advent calendar has just been completed so there are now = eight calendars to browse (the 2007 calendar can only be opened starting = from December 1st, day by day, of course). Each of the calendars has 24 doors, and each of the doors leads to = images and mp3s from The Absurd's band history and current activities. = As this band already looks back to more than 20 years of history, there = is lots and lots of stuff to listen to - and the new calendar even = features videos, I have heard. :-) If you love avantgarde rock music, improvisation, and experiments, = please visit this page, and especially keep visiting the current = calendar till the Dec 24 finale. Yes, this calendar also features some = of my own stuff. Yes, it features some looping here and there, but much = more than that. Michael=20 www.michaelpeters.de www.ct-collective.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- The Absurd Person Singular... The Absurd Person Plural Welcome to a new edition of The Absurd Advent Calendar. Its title was = obviously inspired by Alan Ayckbourne's play "Absurd Person Singular". = Check it out. This year the calendar presents to you various members of The Absurd = as soloists - performances recorded within the framework of The Absurd = or as part of individual solo projects. Apart from featuring the considerable talents of the singers and = players this calendars serves as a reminder of how much fun it is to = play and interact with with friends in a band. A heartfelt thank you to = everybody who has contributed sights and sounds to this calendar. Praise = of the highest order to the tireless Martin Ziegler (web organ) and the = unbelievable Vera P. Zielke (calendar drawing).=20 Enjoy, Michael Frank=20 look 'n listen at http://www.theabsurd.de ------=_NextPart_000_0060_01C83297.A8BB0B20 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
        Thanks, Michael.  Cool site!  = I actually=20 bought one of the Advent Calendars at Trader Joe's yesterday.  Nice = twist=20 MF has there!
         
        Tom
        http://www.myspace.co= m/yetanotherbeatmaker 
        ----- Original Message -----
        From:=20 Michael = Peters
        To: CT-Collective = ; Loopers = Delight
        Sent: Thursday, November 29, = 2007 2:38=20 PM
        Subject: The Absurd Advent = Calendar

        A band that I love to play with is my = friend Michael=20 Frank's The Absurd. (For the CT folks among us: MF was featured with a = piece=20 on the CT-Great Speeches project.)
         
        The Absurd's website http://www.theabsurd.de consists mostly of advent calendars, each = one styled=20 very differently, starting in the year 2000 - the new 2007 advent = calendar has=20 just been completed so there are now eight calendars to browse (the = 2007=20 calendar can only be opened starting from December 1st, day by = day, of=20 course).
         
        Each of the calendars has 24 doors, and = each of the=20 doors leads to images and mp3s from The Absurd's band history and = current=20 activities. As this band already looks back to more = than 20=20 years of history, there is lots and lots of stuff to listen to - and = the new=20 calendar even features videos, I have heard. :-)
         
        If you love avantgarde rock music, = improvisation, and=20 experiments, please visit this page, and especially keep visiting the = current=20 calendar till the Dec 24 finale. Yes, this calendar also features some = of my=20 own stuff. Yes, it features some looping here and there, but much more = than=20 that.
         
        Michael
        www.michaelpeters.de
        www.ct-collective.com

        The Absurd Person Singular...
        The Absurd Person=20 Plural

        Welcome to a new edition of The Absurd Advent = Calendar. Its=20 title was obviously inspired by Alan Ayckbourne's play "Absurd Person=20 Singular". Check it out.
        This year the calendar presents to you = various=20 members of The Absurd as soloists - performances recorded within the = framework=20 of The Absurd or as part of individual solo projects.
        Apart from = featuring=20 the considerable talents of the singers and players this calendars = serves as a=20 reminder of how much fun it is to play and interact with with friends = in a=20 band. A heartfelt thank you to everybody who has contributed sights = and sounds=20 to this calendar. Praise of the highest order to the tireless Martin = Ziegler=20 (web organ) and the unbelievable Vera P. Zielke (calendar drawing).=20

        Enjoy, Michael Frank=20

        look 'n listen at http://www.theabsurd.de

        ------=_NextPart_000_0060_01C83297.A8BB0B20-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 29 22:43:46 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 18EB43BECD; Thu, 29 Nov 2007 22:43:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <00de01c832d9$8a7aba10$6401a8c0@MusicComputer> From: "Tom Rex" To: References: <00e301c832d0$1f7b2690$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> Subject: Re: Advent Calendars and how far back looping goes... Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 15:45:28 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00DB_01C8329E.DDC86AE0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 071129-0, 11/29/2007), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76809 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 22:43:46 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00DB_01C8329E.DDC86AE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ... and calendar cycles in general. I once did a little research on religious traditions, and how they keep = the Hours, and weeks, and months, and seasons, etc. All these natural = rhythms permutating, round, and round, and round, and round, as the = Beatles used to sing! As the story goes in TM, all of the Rounding and Meditation that dear = Prudence was doing over in India was too much for her, so the Beatles = went around her hut, singing the now famous song (or so the story goes) Which brings up Ragas. Has anyone done a looping cycle based on Raga = scales for the eight divisions of the day? Might be an interesting CT = sort of project, especially if it was done in one 24 hour day.. Tom http://www.myspace.com/yetanotherbeatmaker=20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Michael Peters=20 To: CT-Collective ; Loopers Delight=20 Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2007 2:38 PM Subject: The Absurd Advent Calendar A band that I love to play with is my friend Michael Frank's The = Absurd. (For the CT folks among us: MF was featured with a piece on the = CT-Great Speeches project.)=20 The Absurd's website http://www.theabsurd.de consists mostly of advent = calendars, each one styled very differently, starting in the year 2000 - = the new 2007 advent calendar has just been completed so there are now = eight calendars to browse (the 2007 calendar can only be opened starting = from December 1st, day by day, of course). Each of the calendars has 24 doors, and each of the doors leads to = images and mp3s from The Absurd's band history and current activities. = As this band already looks back to more than 20 years of history, there = is lots and lots of stuff to listen to - and the new calendar even = features videos, I have heard. :-) If you love avantgarde rock music, improvisation, and experiments, = please visit this page, and especially keep visiting the current = calendar till the Dec 24 finale. Yes, this calendar also features some = of my own stuff. Yes, it features some looping here and there, but much = more than that. Michael=20 www.michaelpeters.de www.ct-collective.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- The Absurd Person Singular... The Absurd Person Plural Welcome to a new edition of The Absurd Advent Calendar. Its title was = obviously inspired by Alan Ayckbourne's play "Absurd Person Singular". = Check it out. This year the calendar presents to you various members of The Absurd = as soloists - performances recorded within the framework of The Absurd = or as part of individual solo projects. Apart from featuring the considerable talents of the singers and = players this calendars serves as a reminder of how much fun it is to = play and interact with with friends in a band. A heartfelt thank you to = everybody who has contributed sights and sounds to this calendar. Praise = of the highest order to the tireless Martin Ziegler (web organ) and the = unbelievable Vera P. Zielke (calendar drawing).=20 Enjoy, Michael Frank=20 look 'n listen at http://www.theabsurd.de ------=_NextPart_000_00DB_01C8329E.DDC86AE0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
        ... and calendar cycles in = general.
         
        I once did a little research on = religious=20 traditions, and how they keep the Hours, and weeks, and months, and = seasons,=20 etc.  All these natural rhythms permutating, round, and round, and = round,=20 and round, as the Beatles used to sing!
         
        As the story goes in TM, all of the = Rounding and=20 Meditation that dear Prudence was doing over in India was too much for = her, so=20 the Beatles went around her hut, singing the now famous song (or so the = story=20 goes)
         
        Which brings up Ragas.  Has anyone = done a=20 looping cycle based on Raga scales for the eight divisions of the = day? =20 Might be an interesting CT sort of project, especially if it was done in = one 24=20 hour day..
         
        Tom
        http://www.myspace.co= m/yetanotherbeatmaker 
         
        ----- Original Message -----
        From:=20 Michael = Peters
        To: CT-Collective = ; Loopers = Delight
        Sent: Thursday, November 29, = 2007 2:38=20 PM
        Subject: The Absurd Advent = Calendar

        A band that I love to play with is my = friend Michael=20 Frank's The Absurd. (For the CT folks among us: MF was featured with a = piece=20 on the CT-Great Speeches project.)
         
        The Absurd's website http://www.theabsurd.de consists mostly of advent calendars, each = one styled=20 very differently, starting in the year 2000 - the new 2007 advent = calendar has=20 just been completed so there are now eight calendars to browse (the = 2007=20 calendar can only be opened starting from December 1st, day by = day, of=20 course).
         
        Each of the calendars has 24 doors, and = each of the=20 doors leads to images and mp3s from The Absurd's band history and = current=20 activities. As this band already looks back to more = than 20=20 years of history, there is lots and lots of stuff to listen to - and = the new=20 calendar even features videos, I have heard. :-)
         
        If you love avantgarde rock music, = improvisation, and=20 experiments, please visit this page, and especially keep visiting the = current=20 calendar till the Dec 24 finale. Yes, this calendar also features some = of my=20 own stuff. Yes, it features some looping here and there, but much more = than=20 that.
         
        Michael
        www.michaelpeters.de
        www.ct-collective.com

        The Absurd Person Singular...
        The Absurd Person=20 Plural

        Welcome to a new edition of The Absurd Advent = Calendar. Its=20 title was obviously inspired by Alan Ayckbourne's play "Absurd Person=20 Singular". Check it out.
        This year the calendar presents to you = various=20 members of The Absurd as soloists - performances recorded within the = framework=20 of The Absurd or as part of individual solo projects.
        Apart from = featuring=20 the considerable talents of the singers and players this calendars = serves as a=20 reminder of how much fun it is to play and interact with with friends = in a=20 band. A heartfelt thank you to everybody who has contributed sights = and sounds=20 to this calendar. Praise of the highest order to the tireless Martin = Ziegler=20 (web organ) and the unbelievable Vera P. Zielke (calendar drawing).=20

        Enjoy, Michael Frank=20

        look 'n listen at http://www.theabsurd.de

        ------=_NextPart_000_00DB_01C8329E.DDC86AE0-- From MondoBancoposta@poste.it Fri Nov 30 02:31:46 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 1817 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Fri, 30 Nov 2007 02:31:46 UTC Received: from mail.mp-nhp.com (mail.mp-nhp.com [69.20.123.18]) by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B3113BEB8 for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2007 02:31:45 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 22690 invoked from network); 29 Nov 2007 20:56:19 -0500 Received: from adsl-068-153-231-093.sip.jax.bellsouth.net (HELO User) (68.153.231.93) by woodlands.gormanbros.com with SMTP; 29 Nov 2007 20:56:19 -0500 From: "Mondo BancoPosta" Subject: Mondo BancoPosta ti premia con un bonus di fedelta ! Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 21:05:09 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1251" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-Id: <20071130023145.4B3113BEB8@arsenic.violacea.com> To: undisclosed-recipients:; http://www.poste.it From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 30 14:12:21 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 57E5F3BEC5; Fri, 30 Nov 2007 14:12:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-YMail-OSG: 6XzvLY8VM1nY_FSLA0YA4a8NTX1lyDgBfBhU2z24PXM4GWra Message-ID: <626AD42C0F1A497C83CC16338CF09615@HomePC> From: "Ken Robarge" To: References: <717785.53803.qm@web58501.mail.re3.yahoo.com> <474EFF2C.1040108@gmail.com> <011301c832b4$55de6740$5901a8c0@bobdell> <2D74FC93-06B4-4A4B-B89E-D3112ABC1810@atarde.com.br> In-Reply-To: <2D74FC93-06B4-4A4B-B89E-D3112ABC1810@atarde.com.br> Subject: Re: How far does looping go back? Farther than you think.... Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 06:12:14 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6000.16480 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6000.16545 Resent-Message-ID: <4RaCZ.A.ZuE.FpBUHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76810 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 14:12:21 +0000 (UTC) Hi Matthias, I think there are enough other non-technical-writing comments in the EDP manual to establish precedent for other such comments, whether spiritual/religious in character or not. For example, these few quotes from the Quick Start chapter: "...more fun than you can possibly imagine..." "...the shocking joy of your first loops..." "...you may be intoxicated with power for an hour or two..." Let's face it, these are not the kind of comments one would expect to encounter in an operation manual for, say, a tractor or a steam iron. That being said, I, for one, truly appreciate the personality that shines through by inclusion of these comments. And although fun, joy and intoxication with power are highly subjective concepts, I experienced exactly these feelings when I first powered on my EDP. In addition, I think anyone is capable of experiencing spiritual or transcendant moments without having to characterize them as "religious," although they are of course free to do so without my taking offense. Interesting thread. Ken ----- Original Message ----- From: "Matthias Grob" To: "Loop List" Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2007 12:43 PM Subject: Re: How far does looping go back? Farther than you think.... > > On 29 Nov 2007, at 15:19, Bob Amstadt wrote: > >> >>> Looping looks like a musical reincarnation of evolution. >> >> I've always thought that looping was a religious experience. ;-) >> > > > in the LOOP delay manual, I wrote that playing hint about self therapy > (which is on the LD site) > > Keith said: "take out the loop religion stuff !" and ordered a completely > new manual from our Warren for the EDP > > Other friends say that its not good to talk about our deeper intentions > to improve the world. "just sell the instrument, then they can see or > not, what you meant with it" > > what do you think? > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 30 14:48:08 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3DB903BEC2; Fri, 30 Nov 2007 14:48:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <001201c83360$42682e60$6401a8c0@MusicComputer> From: "Tom Rex" To: References: <717785.53803.qm@web58501.mail.re3.yahoo.com> <474EFF2C.1040108@gmail.com> <011301c832b4$55de6740$5901a8c0@bobdell> <2D74FC93-06B4-4A4B-B89E-D3112ABC1810@atarde.com.br> Subject: Re: How far does looping go back? Farther than you think.... Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 07:49:49 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 071129-0, 11/29/2007), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76811 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 14:48:08 +0000 (UTC) or a musical reincarnation of reincarnation. watch out for the revolving door, door, door, door... we used to say as kids. loops are everywhere. the religious experience is just noticing them, or hearing them. Tom http://www.myspace.com/yetanotherbeatmaker > > On 29 Nov 2007, at 15:19, Bob Amstadt wrote: > >> >>> Looping looks like a musical reincarnation of evolution. >> >> I've always thought that looping was a religious experience. ;-) >> From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 30 16:26:48 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8BE5E3BEB9; Fri, 30 Nov 2007 16:26:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 11:26:24 EST Subject: Re: Most instantly looping hardware looper sought for To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_c37.1cc2f472.348193b0_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 293 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76812 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 16:26:48 +0000 (UTC) --part1_c37.1cc2f472.348193b0_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 11/29/07 3:40:16 PM, bradmcmail@yahoo.ca writes: > what's the simplest (in > terms of features and operation) looper for guitars? > boomerang.....i think the newer one will have a smaller footprint.....michael "Don't loaf and invite inspiration. 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        In a message dated 11/29/07 3:40:16 PM, bradmcmail@yahoo.ca writes:


        what's the simplest (= in
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        boomerang.....i think the newer one will have a smaller footprint.....mic= hael



        "Don't loaf and invite inspiration. Light out after it with a club.".....JAC= K LONDON

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        (http://money.aol.com/special/hot-pr= oducts-2007?NCID=3Daoltop00030000000001) --part1_c37.1cc2f472.348193b0_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 30 17:43:32 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2B2253BEC7; Fri, 30 Nov 2007 17:43:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=Dx6Dgw0QjOnEb1BmGOI7mwAM564Wew8ZD7n7zRAJDc0=; b=p6Dky/NMFXPIT+4bz3TdAHBBZzapREX9hUJwJcvayrgkVbaLRA5ZMBCyRKOn5bO4kT9iKQZfNiyxm51tE6KwXR7UchdkmAlIU+gYicMq+pHwANFgEjqAFI4F3piFejPxTZCfxYfZpJLW/Q06jq2cWUX06y2rYagfgUK0YAVc7Yo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=b6FMh5ZIvlLUHttmwWT/h5DfzOXJxJed2oVHtam0bk47A9ld/SOHEkLB/ZGvCEPqFgCjOaGmMQIO7yvQZydfGjmoFGsrJ6puatN71UHUuQxdzVM20YsXs1PKJVy365t3TQbBs7LWjhsbXeGcUL2F7u2hI0fIrlO+ACYy2Kzc3k0= Message-ID: Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 08:46:34 -0800 From: "Travis Hartnett" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Most instantly looping hardware looper sought for In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76813 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 17:43:32 +0000 (UTC) The Boomerang's great, and not difficult to use, but I think the Headrush is simpler. On Nov 30, 2007 8:26 AM, wrote: > > > In a message dated 11/29/07 3:40:16 PM, bradmcmail@yahoo.ca writes: > > > > what's the simplest (in > terms of features and operation) looper for guitars? > > > boomerang.....i think the newer one will have a smaller footprint.....michael > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 30 19:09:41 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 548D13BEC5; Fri, 30 Nov 2007 19:09:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=orMwiixioEElsdPhIAwArZsnlRyxTztffh2KorDLotSJW2ZN+xlwgjjJpHYxDMuHy2BZYz+ihqbt090XafdBPX64wZCNfPGzHOymZ8CAi+uvjIDLsxTOWTiEsxpdSQ/QkPOZhG3VOluqVA8feQNgHnFB/5U1/fxifzyap+ezaZs=; X-YMail-OSG: lCko7DoVM1mBZiBXaL0FovhTyr5z7rEFO193nfUYPpdjwafXl0fqzko1SkKofsgQXeQ3iyJo9IobmgdMoHdsPp_NgOogXLSu9m5dZSBiqa1SEh09sQY- Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 11:09:38 -0800 (PST) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: Re: Burned by Oberheim EDP... Luis To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <474E8275.6060402@tiscali.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <490345.24694.qm@web38612.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76814 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 19:09:41 +0000 (UTC) Hey Andy, so you think something like this would work to make the 2 EDPs sync better? http://www.thomann.de/de/midi_solutions_thru.htm i tried puting a different source# on the second EDP to play with them unsynced which works just fine and man lots of new fun!but it would still be nice to have a screen on the foot controller to know which edp is being controlled,i do loose it every once in a while,are you also doing the unsynced dance with your new gordius? cheers Luis > also I had an idea to improve the sync which you > might > like to try instead. > I didn't get to try it yet. > Use a midi splitter to connect the fcb to the 2 edps > instead of chaining them. > > Don't know, but that may help the de-syncing. > ( because then each edp gets exactly the same signal > at exactly the same time ) > andy > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better pen pal. 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