From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 1 00:13:17 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F38C43C024; Mon, 1 Oct 2007 00:13:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 830 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Mon, 01 Oct 2007 00:13:16 UTC Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: <14C68D1D-C040-44F2-81B4-3FE789C3A571@gmail.com> References: <781B9BE8-AB77-4A99-9553-D500B21EA98B@mac.com> <199835C1-24D3-46AD-8680-77A580059180@gmail.com> <1FA62BE1-128D-4A3D-8884-6BBB57E342BB@finleysound.com> <14C68D1D-C040-44F2-81B4-3FE789C3A571@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Matthew F. McCabe" Subject: Re: Logic studio new version Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2007 16:59:21 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/75071 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2007 00:13:16 +0000 (UTC) On Sep 30, 2007, at 2:53 PM, Per Boysen wrote: > MainStage has a MIDI Through function. If you enable it every MIDI > Program Change event sent into MainStage will also be passed out > the MIDI Out port. If you have hardware effect processors there > they will of course change patches according to how you have > programmed them to. So, it's really just a pass through like using the MIDI Thru jack, right? If I understand correctly, MainStage cannot generate its own MIDI Out messages as part of its own internal preset hierarchy. Can you map incoming MIDI messages to different channels and program changes? Thanks! Matt From onlineservice@pp.com Mon Oct 1 01:43:56 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 12799 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Mon, 01 Oct 2007 01:43:55 UTC Received: from safetee.net (adsl-70-128-189-150.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net [70.128.189.150]) by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D0C823C01D; Mon, 1 Oct 2007 01:43:55 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [71.200.71.213] (account support HELO User) by safetee.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.1.8) with ESMTP id 1172615; Sun, 30 Sep 2007 20:58:40 -0500 From: "Dear PayPal customer" Subject: Security issue : update your info Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2007 17:17:20 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1251" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 1 X-MSMail-Priority: High X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: To: undisclosed-recipients:; Untitled Document From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 1 04:43:54 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 575A03C027; Mon, 1 Oct 2007 04:43:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 412 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Mon, 01 Oct 2007 04:43:53 UTC DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:from:to:references:subject:date:message-id:mime-version:content-type:x-mailer:x-mimeole:in-reply-to:thread-index; bh=GZsyVVuPr2baRYgNwmv9DWFCDlH6FhUPZaWLUssO/eM=; b=NVNwYQcr/y1ud3Q6mZbvnwRl9v+1w5MzQLnQNAERi85pgzkJ5NH1j204rPInG5WsCUXlsrl0SVrr6JukJhfcL5jH10I2pi/glvi+medfCN7h1U6nNtoDa5znTuF4URqaAqzWee7XTlHx48jBl1AsjF/TCS1sYyh+rMwuihleYRo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:from:to:references:subject:date:message-id:mime-version:content-type:x-mailer:x-mimeole:in-reply-to:thread-index; b=uQ0H34xm7eFQBm0GNUl+XeJzq1NKSBmIJqQDEhGaES83lqY7TrABCLHKnQls5F5v2adI82QymEkFkOV3FqDpFK8KHxJk2gjAbd90maPN5EXHBfCMvUgnTwtnnj7RtNjdZAuLs+bteJz4KKB7UfqJYVcTRxrXSZvdvNHi9pu+xU4= From: "Tony K" To: References: <229264.69807.qm@web53006.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <007701c803a2$5ab425c0$18b2a8c0@netzrechner> Subject: RE: i need different shoes Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2007 00:37:01 -0400 Message-ID: <00cd01c803e4$b6a6ca30$0200a8c0@daw1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00CE_01C803C3.2F952A30" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 In-Reply-To: <007701c803a2$5ab425c0$18b2a8c0@netzrechner> thread-index: AcgDok9LIGu2hczPQDWXdw6Uz8hNNAAQeT0w Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/75072 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2007 04:43:54 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00CE_01C803C3.2F952A30 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1250" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable My mom has a friend who makes shoes=85 =20 HYPERLINK "http://www.thoseshoes.com/"http://www.thoseshoes.com/ =20 They are.. different. :-) =20 Tony =20 _____ =20 From: Tilmann Dehnhard [mailto:tilmann@dehnhard.com]=20 Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2007 4:42 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: i need different shoes =20 i once got my shoe sole stuck to the dl4 - literally had to shake the = thing off to get free. great hiking boots for winter, but a clear nono for looping... i played the rest of the gig in socks (well - and regular clothes, not = what YOU might think). =20 tilmann From: HYPERLINK "mailto:stevoj@yahoo.com"Stephen Scott=20 =20 Subject: I need brighter LEDs =20 No virus found in this incoming message. 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They are.. different. = J

 

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i once got my shoe sole stuck to the dl4 - literally = had to shake the thing off to get free.

great hiking boots for winter, but a clear nono for looping...

i played the rest of the gig in socks (well - and = regular clothes, not what YOU might think).

 

tilmann

 

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------=_NextPart_000_00CE_01C803C3.2F952A30-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 1 06:50:13 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 955D93C01B; Mon, 1 Oct 2007 06:50:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 1580 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Mon, 01 Oct 2007 06:50:12 UTC Message-ID: <02df01c803f7$534782a0$6401a8c0@dayglogreen> From: "Rick Walker" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: Off Topic: Anglofixilization Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2007 23:50:16 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/75073 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2007 06:50:12 +0000 (UTC) I'm really enjoying the Anglofixilization thread but it is most definitely Off Topic. Since a lot of people have been disturbed by the volume of off topic posts here at the list, can we at least be sensitive and discilplined enough to their needs to write OT: Anglofixilization on these posts. This will allow people who are not interested in this very, very off topic subject to automatically filter the discussions out. That being said and done, my ramblings on the subject: *************** I have read the most linguists are agreed that some form of Chinese (Mandarin or Cantonese most likely), Spanish and English will become the Linqua Franca (lol, how Eurocentric is that term?) of the world in the next 50 years. About the future of English as an international language of commerce which has been disputed: I've read that many German banks are now having their meetings in English not German. Additionally, the Chinese are spending literally millions of dollars to try and teach the people in Bejing enough English to be able to greet guests, journalists and the athletes at the upcoming Olympics. They have hired and ex-American military officer, specifically, to go around the city and clean up the Engrish signs that are everywhere in the city currently. None of these are signs that English is on it's way out as a so called 'world' language. The danger is not so much that the Chinese won't learn English but more that the United States, Great Britain and Canada won't learn Chinese. As powerful as the Chinese are becoming, however, their up and coming economic might rests on the strength of the so called '1st world' economies staying not only solvent but strong. Someone has to not only buy but also be able to be able to afford to buy what they are going to make. A huge percentage of world resources are controlled by the Europeans, British and Americans and the Chinese (and the Indians) need access to these resources in order for their economic climb to occur. A lot has been said about the decline of the US in the future. If this is entirely true, then why are the Chinese and Indians investing so heavily in buying land, corporations and resources in the US. They are, you know, faster now that even the Japanese did in past decades. I don't say any of this as a flag waving 'love em or leave em' American patriot. I'm about as radically left in my politics as one gets in the USA, but there is a lot of knee jerk hysteria going on in our country about our coming demise. Basically, world is going to be coming more geographically and economically homogenous, although given the current capitalistic models, this will still be at the expense of the lion's share of the world's inhabitants. The Rich will get richer and the Poor will get poorer..............it's inevitable unless a huge shakeup occurs. The scariest thing about it all is not that things are going to change radically in the economics of the globe but more that the ecology of the earth is going to suffer horribly because the Chinese and Indians will rise with a commensorate rise in the destruction of the ecosystem as the 1st World powers in the past few hundred years. The largest destruction of the ecosytem has occured within the last 50 years and is accelerating (declining airable land, declining forests, declining fish and animal populations, declining air quality, rising temparatures, et. al.). It's 4th and 5th page news in American newspapers but China is on the verge of a horrible ecological catastrophy. They are running out of useable water at an alarming rate and their rivers are very polluted on top of it due to unchecked growth. They are building gigantic coal manufacturing plants at the rate of 1 a month , currently, which is causing terrible air pollution. Their destruction of the environement will rival the US's destruction of the environment (although I should really say, the Major Corporations destruction of the environment) which is already unconscionable. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 1 07:32:52 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D13F03BFFD; Mon, 1 Oct 2007 07:32:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 373 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Mon, 01 Oct 2007 07:32:52 UTC DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-priority:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; bh=M6WL0jGWuF20zorBawnpsJudFozilRpveVwHeCyyyWI=; b=QMh4Z5xxtFHP5273kMnxLjZr9+TYJFPRyjWDRngQh+svOUdSoWhFTqWW6MawM0dnD/8/0soWVC46IswWX7HXtzAoyX6Dxip/1oSp8/ZjJmXZGjgj7gs6salNCMR0anBZycmzt0q5wVgU3F/dSiaxGq/PpXDEt7bMlUHEBEQ93SU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-priority:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=JWVY1BkHIhoPdnFbcQeQFP2sn6JXhEsxSjQ85/Qp5i3iVkzY7H4SixbKW2kqB2qKI/xOQcjLVk1HJS86Dn9WNX2PUDpokZBw0+JV0FFMt9WxupA0kBfi5KBWVOJirtQ0WzFmdIJh2wC6X/VZY25Fpm4PkRD18cXmL1+HkZN5s6E= In-Reply-To: References: <000c01c8037c$57c97e30$1001a8c0@succubus> <02a001c8039b$b720bf50$6601a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <7FCA25F2-202E-4F7A-9D8E-5DCF0736E58C@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Loop Survey - Summary Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2007 09:26:33 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/75074 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2007 07:32:52 +0000 (UTC) Do you really think a person that wants to use a software looper starts by deciding which operating system he wants to host that looping application? I find that hard to believe, since when you make music with a looping application there's no difference if the OS is Linux, OS X, Vista, Windows XP or whatever. But if a person wants to use a computer for many tasks, playing looping concerts being just one of them, then I can understand the preference of a particular OS. Mac OSX seems to work fine that way (in my experience). As far as I see the best solutions seems to be to get one of those new intel based Mac boxes, install Windows XP and dedicate the Win partitions for looping with Mobius and use Mac OS X for everything else. If you want to use Ableton Live or Bidule together with Mobius, both these applications are exactly the same on both systems and the license lets you use it both under OS X and Windows. per On 1 okt 2007, at 01.25, Zoe Keating wrote: > actually, i think it just gives a strong hint at which OS they > prefer (i'd jump on mobius if it would run without windopes)! > > On Sep 30, 2007, at 2:48 PM, Per Boysen wrote: > >> So the choice of either Live or Mobius gives a strong hint at >> which major looping methodology a person subscribes to; Mobius >> going back to the EDP school of working an interchanging loop, >> while Live goes back to traditional sampling techniques. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 1 07:46:14 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BF4383C026; Mon, 1 Oct 2007 07:46:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <02d501c803f3$a4b4d5b0$6401a8c0@dayglogreen> From: "Rick Walker" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: RE: Germany Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2007 23:23:55 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/75075 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2007 07:46:14 +0000 (UTC) Bill Walker wrote: "The only Zappa show I remember seeing with you Rick is the one at the Paramount Theater in Oakland." Your memory is better than mine, Bill, but why were they booed off the stage, then? I remember that really distinctly. I thought it was because they were playing with some bonehead rock band or other but drugs were involved that night so my memory may be faulty. Also, wasn't that the same show where Zappa was really late and he asked and got the audience to do a 24 channel sound check in real time by democratic vote? I remember that was one of the best sounds I've ever heard at a concert and was amazed that 1) Zappa entrusted the audience to 'mix' the sound and 2) That it was a turning point for me.............realizing that audiences knew much more and were much more intelligent than I had assumed they were. Zappa went from mic to mic to line input to line input getting the audience to show (by raising their hands) when the right level was achieved. The sound, as I remember, was really, really good. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 1 08:01:28 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BB6EA3C014; Mon, 1 Oct 2007 08:01:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; bh=oPnUOx9DIHcNc14XRZUDIcJjP87+XXQaf7+iubtotA8=; b=PdvfC83Xrs50XiKt4dNmu1SBYFtgWkSyQagGMZjlX7uiF9dQkOsQhJiWqKQMLmtL3bnNnOVdY25pA1K7WjgHwbN9tKPDRvnbqSZza8DmaJiy5FyY9Dri0RNzEnshljJK1Qo4dMX1+udoazN9everpHDK82fxa7Wukm8rrrYIqbY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=APPPD5qzYpxwuzLfrXzGlsKimrdK6ojgRT0qvsG9a5r8yqJiCC7x2539zKUf6+VT3LO5iQmXQJYOa5Zgf3qdpJRyb78hkziQN5wD5d7Ez6jOUbBh+wmxwFVs1USz8M6I6oSXKzBehAPQvEi56kOJijGLUySccWfsZ1YPmmSKcR4= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <47002DC4.1070609@adelphia.net> References: <781B9BE8-AB77-4A99-9553-D500B21EA98B@mac.com> <47002DC4.1070609@adelphia.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <7FDF604B-B6B0-4754-A15A-8B2D7662498C@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Logic studio new version Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2007 09:54:25 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/75076 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2007 08:01:28 +0000 (UTC) > Paul Mimlitsch wrote: >> Anybody using this upgrade? Thoughts, especially in reference to >> "Main Stage" as a live performance tool? On 1 okt 2007, at 01.14, Brian Good wrote: > I've spent the past week setting up Mainstage for a live > performance in a couple weeks. So far, so good. You can use Logic's > softsynths without having to have Logic running, and, though I have > no evidence for this, I'm guessing that Mainstage might be more > stable for live work. Augustus Loop seems to work ok with it, > though I haven't done extensive testing. Sooper Looper AU plug-in should run in MainStage as well. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 1 08:07:15 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3F3973C01A; Mon, 1 Oct 2007 08:07:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 380 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Mon, 01 Oct 2007 08:07:14 UTC DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; bh=/Mx43GHlrghahoVwge2nm6tnLNmHBXOo7eAZvV8l0Jo=; b=hV/0/PUNJQixajjPjNHHrQxrPbk0uurKLraflTGVBxydVwIgcD3eHYVZQcMWa7D2svB5ZorCLxSTzfIjaJ4QkCESqT4jkecTQ/r1js8YDeVwk+X7B7CSiUBCbuSV2ebgvgJQvx8oxhDZJn/MRxMNe2qkQ6DzqW9v0RaBoCofnl0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=mpDW933K6BqixYfEjablmcKsX1jvJLKCm9wI+4zwWxzgr/4pI5QvLqOveKH3CASn7njtpbYW86rNyQAZsALPdONnN2Qr0DdP2Xck09ppjuO83X2OI9Xh8d/N13KCrxSrmpEflKLJBrk9IZiYottbyA4glSHsY7r3YKL/cqu2Yuc= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: References: <781B9BE8-AB77-4A99-9553-D500B21EA98B@mac.com> <199835C1-24D3-46AD-8680-77A580059180@gmail.com> <1FA62BE1-128D-4A3D-8884-6BBB57E342BB@finleysound.com> <14C68D1D-C040-44F2-81B4-3FE789C3A571@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Logic studio new version Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2007 10:00:48 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/75077 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2007 08:07:15 +0000 (UTC) > On Sep 30, 2007, at 2:53 PM, Per Boysen wrote: > >> MainStage has a MIDI Through function. If you enable it every MIDI >> Program Change event sent into MainStage will also be passed out >> the MIDI Out port. If you have hardware effect processors there >> they will of course change patches according to how you have >> programmed them to. On 1 okt 2007, at 01.59, Matthew F. McCabe wrote: > So, it's really just a pass through like using the MIDI Thru jack, > right? If I understand correctly, MainStage cannot generate its > own MIDI Out messages as part of its own internal preset hierarchy. Yes, that's correct. > Can you map incoming MIDI messages to different channels and > program changes? Incoming MIDI message can not be mapped to "channels" but to functions. Any function of a soft synth or effect can be set to follow an incoming MIDI message. An incoming MIDI Program Change message is automatically loading up your saved program patch that corresponds to the particular program number. Ie sending MIDI PC#1 loads your saved Patch#1 etc. A "Patch" in MainStage can be any set- up of softsynths or only effects applied to an audio input. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 1 10:08:11 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4692E3C010; Mon, 1 Oct 2007 10:08:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 573 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Mon, 01 Oct 2007 10:08:10 UTC X-SBRS: None X-SenderGroup: RELAYLIST X-MailFlowPolicy: $RELAYED X-MID: 796702818 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: pre recorded talking between live played songs Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2007 10:58:34 +0100 Message-ID: <1BB076E4C332F9469148F41725F17A72055FF9D1@MTVNE-EXCLUST02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> In-Reply-To: <40494.167.83.10.20.1191013614.squirrel@www.michaelplishka.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: pre recorded talking between live played songs Thread-Index: AcgEEaEriDZYLGnTR0iQeK4iXaK9Zg== References: <40494.167.83.10.20.1191013614.squirrel@www.michaelplishka.com> From: "Goddard, Duncan" To: , X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Oct 2007 09:58:35.0540 (UTC) FILETIME=[A1CA3D40:01C80411] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/75078 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2007 10:08:11 +0000 (UTC) we played recently & used a sample of (slightly stoned-sounding) bob dylan talking to his audience back in the 60s..... if you slow bob dylan's speaking-voice down by just the right amount, he sounds like hendrix. btw- did anyone else get another s/w update from electrix by email last week? duncan. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 1 10:29:44 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id ACD6C3BFBB; Mon, 1 Oct 2007 10:29:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 2327 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Mon, 01 Oct 2007 10:29:44 UTC Message-ID: <4700C4B0.4040003@post.cybercity.dk> Date: Mon, 01 Oct 2007 11:58:08 +0200 From: van Sinn Reply-To: vansinn@post.cybercity.dk Organization: van Sinn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Logic studio new version References: <781B9BE8-AB77-4A99-9553-D500B21EA98B@mac.com> <46FFA7D8.5050208@post.cybercity.dk> In-Reply-To: <46FFA7D8.5050208@post.cybercity.dk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <1EAnvC.A.rFE.YwMAHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/75079 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2007 10:29:44 +0000 (UTC) van Sinn wrote: > Paul Mimlitsch wrote: > >> Anybody using this upgrade? Thoughts, especially in reference to >> "Main Stage" as a live performance tool? > > Nope, but I'll attend a product demo of LP8, arranged by a decently > large studio and a music shop here in Cph tomorrow evening. > I'll try to summmarize my findings.. I've taken notes on peculiarities, missing features et al.. as reported in this thread. Besides what's already been mentioned, anything particular I should try to poke from the folks at the demo/seminar? -- rgds, van Sinn From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 1 11:10:25 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 62E373C01C; Mon, 1 Oct 2007 11:10:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 303 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Mon, 01 Oct 2007 11:10:24 UTC Message-ID: <008c01c8041b$0ba0e120$18b2a8c0@netzrechner> Reply-To: "Tilmann Dehnhard" From: "Tilmann Dehnhard" To: References: <000c01c8037c$57c97e30$1001a8c0@succubus> Subject: OT: how to change reply adress in outl expr? Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2007 13:05:53 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1+djYk8zVgFhV8sr82vfOphEPZsaxisQSnBu6Y Q6zEYhi5ijnpvlTXyHcZQZx07xUIDKOW3DrEpgW0ENAb2XkLCG PutOFOtpScDsZxIlwF8KrsFysc2AaNa Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/75080 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2007 11:10:25 +0000 (UTC) a fellow list member has told me that when replying to my posts, the mail goes to me only instead of the whole list. this explains all the "private" replies i have gotten. i use outlook express and chewed through all the little option windows - can't find the thingie. anybody out there who could help me with this? (in this case the reply setting comes in handy...) all the best - tilmann From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 1 12:12:57 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4E8B93C01C; Mon, 1 Oct 2007 12:12:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 350 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Mon, 01 Oct 2007 12:12:56 UTC Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <7FDF604B-B6B0-4754-A15A-8B2D7662498C@gmail.com> References: <781B9BE8-AB77-4A99-9553-D500B21EA98B@mac.com> <47002DC4.1070609@adelphia.net> <7FDF604B-B6B0-4754-A15A-8B2D7662498C@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <1F843ABD-DE5B-4839-97DF-C127D94D2D76@mac.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Paul Mimlitsch Subject: looper in Logic (Re: Logic studio new version) Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2007 06:08:36 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/75081 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2007 12:12:57 +0000 (UTC) Per; What are you thoughts on using the delay (either software "pedal board" or "rack mount" versions) in Logic as a simple "looper" - ie: length of delay, feedback control etc.? On Oct 1, 2007, at 1:54 AM, Per Boysen wrote: >> Paul Mimlitsch wrote: >>> Anybody using this upgrade? Thoughts, especially in reference to >>> "Main Stage" as a live performance tool? > > On 1 okt 2007, at 01.14, Brian Good wrote: >> I've spent the past week setting up Mainstage for a live >> performance in a couple weeks. So far, so good. You can use >> Logic's softsynths without having to have Logic running, and, >> though I have no evidence for this, I'm guessing that Mainstage >> might be more stable for live work. Augustus Loop seems to work ok >> with it, though I haven't done extensive testing. > > Sooper Looper AU plug-in should run in MainStage as well. > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > www.looproom.com (international) > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 1 12:22:42 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C28D03C011; Mon, 1 Oct 2007 12:22:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 446 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Mon, 01 Oct 2007 12:22:42 UTC In-Reply-To: <02df01c803f7$534782a0$6401a8c0@dayglogreen> References: <02df01c803f7$534782a0$6401a8c0@dayglogreen> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <534F4974-D305-4D32-B88B-A90A2C3DA04B@mac.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Chuck Silva Subject: Re: Off Topic: Anglofixilization Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2007 08:14:49 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/75082 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2007 12:22:42 +0000 (UTC) Rick. I hate to sound like a dumb ass but how do I contribute to these ramblings 'off topic' and with out eating up bandwidth? I am a neophyte and appreciate your help/ You are the man! Chuck Silva On Oct 1, 2007, at 2:50 AM, Rick Walker wrote: > I'm really enjoying the Anglofixilization thread > but it is most definitely Off Topic. > > Since a lot of people have been disturbed by the volume of > off topic posts here at the list, can we at least be sensitive > and discilplined enough to their needs to write OT: > Anglofixilization > on these posts. > > This will allow people who are not interested in this very, very > off topic subject > to automatically filter the discussions out. > > That being said and done, my ramblings on the subject: > > *************** > > I have read the most linguists are agreed that > some form of Chinese (Mandarin or Cantonese most likely), > Spanish and English will become the Linqua Franca (lol, how > Eurocentric is that term?) > of the world in the next 50 years. > > About the future of English as an international language of > commerce which has been > disputed: > > I've read that many German banks are now having their meetings in > English not German. > > Additionally, the Chinese are spending literally millions of > dollars to try and teach > the people in Bejing enough English to be able to greet guests, > journalists > and the athletes at the upcoming Olympics. They have hired and ex- > American > military officer, specifically, to go around the city and clean up > the > Engrish signs that are everywhere in the city currently. > > None of these are signs that English is on it's way out as a so > called 'world' language. > > The danger is not so much that the Chinese won't learn English but > more that the United > States, Great Britain and Canada won't learn Chinese. > > As powerful as the Chinese are becoming, however, their up and > coming economic might rests > on the strength of the so called '1st world' economies staying not > only solvent but > strong. Someone has to not only buy but also be able to be able > to afford to buy what they are going to make. > > A huge percentage of world resources are controlled by the Europeans, > British and Americans and the Chinese (and the Indians) need access > to these resources > in order for their economic climb to occur. > > A lot has been said about the decline of the US in the future. If > this is entirely true, then > why are the Chinese and Indians investing so heavily in buying > land, corporations and resources in the US. > They are, you know, faster now that even the Japanese did in past > decades. > > I don't say any of this as a flag waving 'love em or leave em' > American patriot. > > I'm about as radically left in my politics as one gets in the > USA, but there is a lot of knee jerk hysteria > going on in our country about our coming demise. > > Basically, world is going to be coming more geographically and > economically homogenous, although given the current > capitalistic models, this will still be at the expense of the > lion's share of the world's inhabitants. > > The Rich will get richer and the Poor will get > poorer..............it's inevitable unless a huge shakeup occurs. > > The scariest thing about it all is not that things are going to > change radically in the economics of the globe but more > that the ecology of the earth is going to suffer horribly because > the Chinese and Indians will rise with a commensorate > rise in the destruction of the ecosystem as the 1st World powers in > the past few hundred years. > > The largest destruction of the ecosytem has occured within the last > 50 years and is accelerating (declining airable land, declining > forests, declining > fish and animal populations, declining air quality, rising > temparatures, et. al.). > > It's 4th and 5th page news in American newspapers but China is on > the verge of a horrible ecological catastrophy. > They are running out of useable water at an alarming rate and their > rivers are very polluted on top of it due to unchecked growth. > > They are building gigantic coal manufacturing plants at the rate > of 1 a month , currently, which is causing terrible air pollution. > > Their destruction of the environement will rival the US's > destruction of the environment (although I should really say, the > Major Corporations > destruction of the environment) which is already unconscionable. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 1 12:29:43 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CF7943C01C; Mon, 1 Oct 2007 12:29:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-priority:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; bh=yAv1dnHHAg8eLOf3HaqVi7kDysMz7HKEeONqx+81qJw=; b=Gkm++WzCf6ROcmvix5r9mFzlMlQxr6EBdlIrzLFW7mooklSHnE1FJZLVDdTcSdy0YXF/a/VovnO+tyX23EnvQ4EwktHArI1qhIAfV/oCyxRekO/Lhg7eD9Up1epQWJn9W0l6d9Dwp4OUefkWxJPpd0IuUaHZUWs1awG1IV7vY0w= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-priority:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=STBpAwJ6NtsevLxIsUJT3DSIHhgB2QouNa5MXrp6I5TyndcTkYmuFv3hRnlFnkl9xZoYne/O0pAuk1JF49W9OI7YXANmrxvCRVbZm+yrmi3E58An9gxD/bMgd0KPBoSSKBx5A6bJuO0+OO14ONzyFBQBwhfsV/95Xz3BU+/E8G8= In-Reply-To: <008c01c8041b$0ba0e120$18b2a8c0@netzrechner> References: <000c01c8037c$57c97e30$1001a8c0@succubus> <008c01c8041b$0ba0e120$18b2a8c0@netzrechner> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <94CE3330-7405-4D30-9E2F-5AC68A1EF958@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: OT: how to change reply adress in outl expr? Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2007 14:29:28 +0200 To: Loopers X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: <1Muq9C.A.lxH.3gOAHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/75083 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2007 12:29:43 +0000 (UTC) On 1 okt 2007, at 13.05, Tilmann Dehnhard wrote: > a fellow list member has told me that when replying to my posts, > the mail goes to me only instead of the whole list. > this explains all the "private" replies i have gotten. That may also be because you are so incredibly popular! > i use outlook express and chewed through all the little option > windows - can't find the thingie. > anybody out there who could help me with this? > > (in this case the reply setting comes in handy...) When Tilmann's letters arrive to my inbox the last header reads: "Reply-To: tilmann@dehnhard.com" Most other list post's last header read: "Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" So my guess is that you simply have to change the reply setting. As you seem to already know ;-) Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 1 12:43:38 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3BEAD3C011; Mon, 1 Oct 2007 12:43:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; bh=3HsD0R0n7PWdMMJ4D5XnlnysQOcxT2SLqj9sET52Zys=; b=Wjdj0JoyW/B/f7qwkSQMM00xTcOUTrC+QE8gG/3b6PJud4qMDBiIZimzpwsGrAj5C+XSeybnj4dbAGYG3yOYwKdxXrcb0qZsnFEdxqhIJ6UrOcfpH5GKMMJy74sA6LjNt6Q/vy8EyiUiHEQWh4fW1I6/FtYmdDOyQhhpgWMLqR4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=gssJfumxnJ3K6CIHgYmnXARmlOAT82IOrcP0Ley77Wrj+VI3Eu8c4bn9P25zU4HqiOBJUJSmN3q9gaLaKCGW4HPi00pomX4v/Z4M3CiVlRnGE5MjpSGRv3HfySMpoXcdbXKVc+XjCPrIb/p63ldPIpKRpqE7nO+BSidMynEUx8A= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <1F843ABD-DE5B-4839-97DF-C127D94D2D76@mac.com> References: <781B9BE8-AB77-4A99-9553-D500B21EA98B@mac.com> <47002DC4.1070609@adelphia.net> <7FDF604B-B6B0-4754-A15A-8B2D7662498C@gmail.com> <1F843ABD-DE5B-4839-97DF-C127D94D2D76@mac.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <7F29F327-1317-4264-B291-F47855105A92@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: looper in Logic (Re: Logic studio new version) Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2007 14:43:30 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/75084 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2007 12:43:38 +0000 (UTC) On 1 okt 2007, at 14.08, Paul Mimlitsch wrote: > Per; > What are you thoughts on using the delay (either software "pedal > board" or "rack mount" versions) in Logic as a simple "looper" - > ie: length of delay, feedback control etc.? Since you have Logic 8 you also have the Delay Designer, that offers quite long delay times. I think it's quite fun to loop with, if looping "delay style". Assign a MIDI expression pedal to feedback. Funny things happen you change the delay length with audio in the loop. I have not had enough time yet to have an opinion of using the pitch change within the Delay Designer plug-in, but have it on my list for "cool stuff to check out on a rainy day when no particular deadline is approaching". Something that I have done a lot though, is to loop with the Tape Delay plug-in. This one has a Freeze Loop button that you can assign to a MIDI pedal. The maximum loop length is rather short, I think one or two bars, but there's a nice tape style audio degradation parameter. You can also do a sort of "cutting in a short audio slice" into the loop by unfreezing the loop for a very short time. You can create some wild stuff by working two Tape Delay plug-ins set to different loop lengths. Other plug-ins of Logics that I think add quality to a live setup are the Autofilter, Compressor, Fuzz-Wha and the Ringshifter (ring modulator). Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 1 12:52:29 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 047E43C038; Mon, 1 Oct 2007 12:52:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-priority:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; bh=Qj7ZDVkgpWDPawqWT1KeFzDR8fM/XySjtpcmAuXqRJ8=; b=V0dBa3hlwCi9Ksdzlh3XwrKZREKbUBQuQyHjAhE2aCP4cmfsdfMEuE6Uh1wcS1hKVrVryBIo3SYlpeUaVZvGTwq8mM1FoXP0WWK32YmAZSR+ShSjpcGq0xGJu3uMI/nfbmu9TincKrrdUR6z2TQ+S6NdCcywwlZ5DOS1kuOXze4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-priority:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=hRrY1PehRr2VcjkYctCZSeK6Fzi3r2C0eVG5sCXrHThuIDiwDUAu1QDsIVUHe+6EiVAAePEt9zqeaOVbYYDQTypyvp3U6UU5tehucha/soARpJOhCGx6em2uKrQEVb5AvfMZI3wgl8iOp3koExwgP+4GD1vqsz3bg90qJEU/TyA= In-Reply-To: <534F4974-D305-4D32-B88B-A90A2C3DA04B@mac.com> References: <02df01c803f7$534782a0$6401a8c0@dayglogreen> <534F4974-D305-4D32-B88B-A90A2C3DA04B@mac.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <835E17CE-7A26-4772-9526-C561A8CD00C1@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Off Topic: Anglofixilization Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2007 14:52:19 +0200 To: Loopers X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/75085 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2007 12:52:28 +0000 (UTC) On 1 okt 2007, at 14.14, Chuck Silva wrote: > I hate to sound like a dumb ass but how do I contribute to these > ramblings 'off topic' and with out eating up bandwidth? I am a > neophyte and appreciate your help/ Send it to the off topic list at http://groups.google.com/group/loopers-delight-off-topic Doing so won't clog up the looping list digest and only those subscribed to the off topic list will get it. You may chose to send off topic posts to the regular list Loopers- Delight@loopers-delight.com, as many still do, but when you act like that you create problems for some people. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 1 14:28:27 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A16B23C01C; Mon, 1 Oct 2007 14:28:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 7908 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Mon, 01 Oct 2007 14:28:27 UTC From: "nick@12testing.net" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, Stephen Scott Date: Mon, 01 Oct 2007 13:15:43 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: I need brighter LEDs Reply-To: nick@12testing.net Message-ID: <4700F2FF.29302.D12581@nick.12testing.net> Priority: normal In-reply-to: <229264.69807.qm@web53006.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <229264.69807.qm@web53006.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.41) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body Resent-Message-ID: <10Hai.A.mYD.LQQAHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/75086 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2007 14:28:27 +0000 (UTC) On 30 Sep 2007 at 13:25, Stephen Scott wrote: > across the lovely garden, it never occurred that when the sun came > out, I wouldn't be able to see any of my LEDs on my RC20, Small bits of card in a U shape can be gaffered around the LED to increase visibility... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 1 14:29:59 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0A8193C038; Mon, 1 Oct 2007 14:29:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 360 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Mon, 01 Oct 2007 14:29:58 UTC Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2007 16:23:56 +0200 (MEST) Message-Id: <200710011423.l91ENujq025538@post.webmailer.de> X-Authentication-Warning: ket.store: httpd set sender to rs@moinlabs.de using -f To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: rs@moinlabs.de Subject: Re: Re: I need brighter LEDs X-Priority: 3 X-Abuse: 512675 / 192.109.190.88 X-RZG-MBID: 0AP3TDtljfgdCQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-RZG-CLASS-ID: em07 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/75087 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2007 14:29:59 +0000 (UTC) Ian, you might have a look at Osram TOPLEDs (www.osram-os.com/). Very bright LED= =3D s (11lm/W) which also work well under adverse temperature conditions and of= =3D fer comparably low light ageing. Most probably, the driver circuits in the = =3D DL4 are standard components for which datasheets can be easily found to fin= =3D d out if it works (regarding power handling). Rainer ----- original Nachricht -------- The DL4 was OK as I could see the LEDs associated with each footswitch. I a= =3D sked an engineer about installing brighter ones and he said it depends upon= =3D the current consumption and whether the circuit can cope with it. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 1 14:42:50 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D60D13C038; Mon, 1 Oct 2007 14:42:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-SBRS: None X-SenderGroup: RELAYLIST X-MailFlowPolicy: $RELAYED X-MID: 607212226 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C80439.565A5F99" Subject: RE: i need different shoes Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2007 15:42:48 +0100 Message-ID: <1BB076E4C332F9469148F41725F17A72055FFCF6@MTVNE-EXCLUST02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> In-Reply-To: <00cd01c803e4$b6a6ca30$0200a8c0@daw1> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: i need different shoes Thread-Index: AcgEOVYugEVkyQ0uQOeBQcyHb6pv0Q== References: <00cd01c803e4$b6a6ca30$0200a8c0@daw1> From: "Goddard, Duncan" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Oct 2007 14:42:48.0978 (UTC) FILETIME=[566E5F20:01C80439] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/75088 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2007 14:42:50 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C80439.565A5F99 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable >> My mom has a friend who makes shoes... =20 http://www.thoseshoes.com/ =20 They are.. different. :-) << =20 ah, but does she make bear-feet? :-)* ------_=_NextPart_001_01C80439.565A5F99 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

 >> My mom has a friend who makes = shoes…

 

http://www.thoseshoes.com/

 

They are.. = different.=20 J <<

 

ah, but does she make bear-feet?=20 :-) 

------_=_NextPart_001_01C80439.565A5F99-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 1 14:57:30 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8F0EE3C03B; Mon, 1 Oct 2007 14:57:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 3649 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Mon, 01 Oct 2007 14:57:30 UTC Date: Mon, 01 Oct 2007 09:56:10 -0400 From: Dan Ash Subject: Free Repeater software update v2.4 (was RE: pre recorded talking between live played songs) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <4700FC7A.5040300@Verizon.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (Windows/20070728) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/75089 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2007 14:57:30 +0000 (UTC) > btw- did anyone else get another s/w update from electrix by email last > week? > > duncan. > Yes - I purchased the v2.01 update earlier this year and received v2.4 from Electrix on 9/26 as an email attachment but have not installed it yet. I have not been able to find out what changes have been implemented from searching the ElectrixPro.com web site nor from posts on the Yahoo Repeater group. Some bugs in the v2.x operating system were supposedly reported to Electrix, who actually seemed interested, and there there was one post that suggested that an issue with sync and low frequencies *might* have been fixed, but it's vague. I just wrote to the Electrix support folks requesting add'l info as the Electrix forum is undergoing 'routine maintenance'. I may bite the bullet and just install it, but I guess I hate trailblazing when it comes to software - I am forced to do it so often that I suppose I should embrace it. The v2.01 update had a few surprises, prompting me to completely reprogram my FCB1010. That said, I made some long-needed MIDI channel changes and that's a good thing... Anyway, I would really like to know what's in there - anybody? Dan Ash White Plains, NY From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 1 15:26:50 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6C5EC3C034; Mon, 1 Oct 2007 15:26:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 1792 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Mon, 01 Oct 2007 15:26:49 UTC Message-ID: <47010ABB.6030909@hevanet.com> Date: Mon, 01 Oct 2007 07:56:59 -0700 From: David Auker User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (Windows/20070728) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: i need different shoes References: <00cd01c803e4$b6a6ca30$0200a8c0@daw1> <1BB076E4C332F9469148F41725F17A72055FFCF6@MTVNE-EXCLUST02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> In-Reply-To: <1BB076E4C332F9469148F41725F17A72055FFCF6@MTVNE-EXCLUST02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/75090 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2007 15:26:50 +0000 (UTC) Goddard, Duncan wrote:

 >> My mom has a friend who makes shoes…

 

http://www.thoseshoes.com/

 

They are.. different. J <<

 

ah, but does she make bear-feet? :-) 

~~I paws for reflection on that one~~


David  ....A wooden shoe day in Portland, feet, paws, claws...



From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 1 17:34:58 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E54A93C037; Mon, 1 Oct 2007 17:34:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 652 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Mon, 01 Oct 2007 17:34:58 UTC Message-ID: <20071001132401.P2V99.105337.root@fepweb09> Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2007 10:24:01 -0700 From: =?utf-8?Q?tEd_=C2=AE_kiLLiAn?= To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Recommended Cables - GK Guitar Synth Compatible Cables Cc: Qua Veda In-Reply-To: <004501c803a4$30b46df0$921d49d0$@com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Sensitivity: Normal X-Originating-IP: X-Chzlrs: 0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/75091 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2007 17:34:58 +0000 (UTC) Qua, Yeah, I took your advice and asked him. He responded quickly. But he said "No" he can't help me. Thanks for trying though. I'm bummed that 10 feet seems to be the shortest cable I can get for these = things. Cheers, tEd =C2=AE kiLLiAn www.tedkillian.com "Different is not always better, but better is always different" Flux Aeterna: http://phobos.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewAlbum?p= layListId=3D6378076=20 Also check out the BEMF 1 CDs at: http://www.boisemusicians.com/experimenta= l/cd.htm http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314 http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193 http://www.loopers-delight.com/cgi-bin/profiles.cgi?step=3Dview_profile&id= =3D121197000042 http://www.guitarplayer.com/story.asp?storyCode=3D18131 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So??? ---- Qua Veda wrote:=20 > Hi Ted, >=20 > Not sure if he can get the parts for the GK cables, but I've ordered a lo= t > of high quality custom cables at good prices over the years from > audiocableguy.com. >=20 > You can email him at sales@audiocableguy.com. =20 >=20 > -Qua =20 >=20 > =20 >=20 > From: tEd R KiLLiAn [mailto:tedkillian@charter.net]=20 > Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2007 1:46 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: OT: Recommended Cables - GK Guitar Synth Compatible Cables >=20 > =20 >=20 > Hi all, >=20 > While some of us are on the topic of MIDI cables already, I have a cable > question for the group. >=20 > Almost all of y guitars are equipped with Roland GK hex pickups. >=20 > Of course the cables for connecting such guitars to their synth boxes are > available from any number of retailers in lengths of 10 feet, 15 feet and= 30 > feet. >=20 > My question: >=20 > DOES ANYBODY KNOW WHERE TO GET GK 13-PIN COMPATIBLE CABLES IN EVEN SHORTE= R > LENGTHS? >=20 > I have a recently acquired box (a GKP-4) that acts as a signal splitter s= o > that my GK-equipped guitars can drive more than one "brain" (GR synth-bas= ed > or VG COSM-based).=20 >=20 > I hate the idea of having no other choice than to connect items that sit = on > the floor only inches apart with a cable that is 10' long (or more). >=20 > Spaghetti is meant for Italian pasta on a plate, not instrument floor cab= les > underfoot. >=20 > Besides shorter cable lengths sound better. >=20 > If I could find a source for Gk 13-pin cables in lengths of 3' or shorter= I > would be eternally grateful. >=20 > Thanks! >=20 >=20 > tEd R KiLLiAn >=20 > www.tedkillian.com >=20 > Different is not always better, but better is always different"=20 >=20 > Flux Aeterna:=20 > http://phobos.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewAlbum?playListId=3D= 63780 > 76=20 >=20 > Also check out the 1st set of BEMF (Boise Experimental Music Festival) CD= s > at:=20 > http://www.boisemusicians.com/experimental/cd.htm=20 >=20 > http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html=20 > http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian=20 > http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html=20 > http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina=20 > http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073=20 > http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314=20 > http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193=20 > http://www.loopers-delight.com/cgi-bin/profiles.cgi?step=3Dview_profile&i= d=3D121 > 1970 > 00042=20 >=20 > Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes,=20 > BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster,=20 > AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream,=20 > RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks,=20 > and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So???=20 >=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 1 18:42:55 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 10FD63C036; Mon, 1 Oct 2007 18:42:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 401 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Mon, 01 Oct 2007 18:42:53 UTC Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20071001132401.P2V99.105337.root@fepweb09> References: <20071001132401.P2V99.105337.root@fepweb09> Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2007 13:35:54 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Mech Subject: RE: Recommended Cables - GK Guitar Synth Compatible Cables Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" ; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: <3GESU.A.bSC.u-TAHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/75092 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2007 18:42:54 +0000 (UTC) At 10:24 AM -0700 10/1/07, tEd =AE kiLLiAn wrote: > > DOES ANYBODY KNOW WHERE TO GET GK 13-PIN COMPATIBLE CABLES IN EVEN SHORTE= R > LENGTHS? Ted, Check Ebay (<*ducking*> yes, i'm serious).=20 There's a seller over there who occasionally=20 offers these up. I think their User ID is=20 4wells. Don't worry, they're not shady or=20 anything (I've bought these things from them in=20 the past). It turns out that Roland *does* make 13-pin=20 cables in a smaller size (like somewhere around 3=20 or 5 feet, IIRC). But, unfortunately, Roland=20 doesn't seem to sell these direct. They come=20 bundled as extra cables with devices like the=20 US-20 GK Unit Selector. That seller to which I was referring has somehow=20 gotten a stash of these things (don't know if=20 he's unbundling them from the US-20's or what).=20 Every once in a while they come up; you've just=20 got to keep a watch out, or try contacting him=20 directly. Oh yeah, I just found the URL to one of his=20 completed (sorry!) auctions for a 4-foot GK=20 cable:=20 http://cgi.ebay.com/ROLAND-4-FOOT-GK-CABLE-FOR-GUITAR-SYNTH-AND-VG88_W0QQite= mZ120160649039QQihZ002QQcategoryZ47075QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem You might also look around to see if Roland lists=20 these as a replacement part, and have your bench=20 tech or authorized service center order them.=20 They do exist, they're just not very easy to find. Just a couple of leads, but I hope it helps a little. --m. -- _____ "the wind in my heart; the dust in my head...." From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 1 19:20:50 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B688F3C03B; Mon, 1 Oct 2007 19:20:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 555 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Mon, 01 Oct 2007 19:20:50 UTC X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.21,217,1188792000"; d="scan'208";a="78297552" X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Aj0KAJ3jAEdKgAAT/2dsb2JhbACBWWI2 Date: Mon, 01 Oct 2007 14:11:34 -0500 From: mwsmart@insightbb.com Subject: Re: RE: Recommended Cables - GK Guitar Synth Compatible Cables In-reply-to: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Sun Java(tm) System Messenger Express 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006) Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_x2Vy9ra3vPW0I6P7gqANiw)" Content-language: en X-Accept-Language: en Priority: normal References: <20071001132401.P2V99.105337.root@fepweb09> Resent-Message-ID: <1yrPeD.A.2oD.SiUAHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/75093 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2007 19:20:50 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_x2Vy9ra3vPW0I6P7gqANiw) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Content-disposition: inline If you=27re inclined to soldering=2C you can get the male 13-pin connect= ors from Digi-Key=3A http=3A//search=2Edigikey=2Ecom/scripts/DkSearch/dksus=2Edll=3FDetail=3F= name=3DCP-1013-ND You could take a long cable=2C cut it=2C and put new connectors on the e= xposed ends=2E Mark Smart http=3A//www=2Emarksmart=2Enet ----- Original Message ----- From=3A Mech =3Cmech=40m3ch=2Enet=3E Date=3A Monday=2C October 1=2C 2007 13=3A43 Subject=3A RE=3A Recommended Cables - GK Guitar Synth Compatible Cables To=3A Loopers-Delight=40loopers-delight=2Ecom =3E At 10=3A24 AM -0700 10/1/07=2C tEd =AE kiLLiAn wrote=3A =3E =3E =3E =3E DOES ANYBODY KNOW WHERE TO GET GK 13-PIN COMPATIBLE = =3E CABLES IN EVEN SHORTER =3E =3E LENGTHS=3F =3E = =3E Ted=2C =3E = =3E Check Ebay (=3C*ducking*=3E yes=2C i=27m serious)=2E = =3E There=27s a seller over there who occasionally = =3E offers these up=2E I think their User ID is = =3E 4wells=2E Don=27t worry=2C they=27re not shady or = =3E anything (I=27ve bought these things from them in = =3E the past)=2E =3E = =3E It turns out that Roland *does* make 13-pin = =3E cables in a smaller size (like somewhere around 3 = =3E or 5 feet=2C IIRC)=2E But=2C unfortunately=2C Roland = =3E doesn=27t seem to sell these direct=2E They come = =3E bundled as extra cables with devices like the = =3E US-20 GK Unit Selector=2E =3E = =3E That seller to which I was referring has somehow = =3E gotten a stash of these things (don=27t know if = =3E he=27s unbundling them from the US-20=27s or what)=2E = =3E Every once in a while they come up=3B you=27ve just = =3E got to keep a watch out=2C or try contacting him = =3E directly=2E =3E = =3E Oh yeah=2C I just found the URL to one of his = =3E completed (sorry!) auctions for a 4-foot GK = =3E cable=3A = =3E http=3A//cgi=2Eebay=2Ecom/ROLAND-4-FOOT-GK-CABLE-FOR-GUITAR-SYNTH-AN= D- =3E VG88=5FW0QQitemZ120160649039QQihZ002QQcategoryZ47075QQssPageNameZWDV= WQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem =3E You might also look around to see if Roland lists = =3E these as a replacement part=2C and have your bench = =3E tech or authorized service center order them=2E = =3E They do exist=2C they=27re just not very easy to find=2E =3E = =3E Just a couple of leads=2C but I hope it helps a little=2E =3E = =3E --m=2E =3E -- = =3E =5F=5F=5F=5F=5F =3E =22the wind in my heart=3B the dust in my head=2E=2E=2E=2E=22 =3E --Boundary_(ID_x2Vy9ra3vPW0I6P7gqANiw) Content-type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Content-disposition: inline =3CDIV=3EIf you=27re inclined to soldering=2C you can get the male 13-pi= n connectors from Digi-Key=3A=3C/DIV=3E =3CDIV=3E=26nbsp=3B=3C/DIV=3E =3CDIV=3E=3CA href=3D=22http=3A//search=2Edigikey=2Ecom/scripts/DkSearch= /dksus=2Edll=3FDetail=3Fname=3DCP-1013-ND=22=3Ehttp=3A//search=2Edigikey= =2Ecom/scripts/DkSearch/dksus=2Edll=3FDetail=3Fname=3DCP-1013-ND=3C/A=3E= =3C/DIV=3E =3CDIV=3E=26nbsp=3B=3C/DIV=3E =3CDIV=3EYou could take a long cable=2C cut it=2C and put new connectors= on the exposed ends=2E=3C/DIV=3E =3CDIV=3E=26nbsp=3B=3C/DIV=3E =3CDIV=3EMark Smart=3C/DIV=3E =3CDIV=3E=3CA href=3D=22http=3A//www=2Emarksmart=2Enet=22=3Ehttp=3A//www= =2Emarksmart=2Enet=3C/A=3E=3CBR=3E=3CBR=3E----- Original Message -----=3C= BR=3EFrom=3A Mech =26lt=3Bmech=40m3ch=2Enet=26gt=3B=3CBR=3EDate=3A Monda= y=2C October 1=2C 2007 13=3A43=3CBR=3ESubject=3A RE=3A Recommended Cable= s - GK Guitar Synth Compatible Cables=3CBR=3ETo=3A Loopers-Delight=40loo= pers-delight=2Ecom=3CBR=3E=3CBR=3E=26gt=3B At 10=3A24 AM -0700 10/1/07=2C= tEd =AE kiLLiAn wrote=3A=3CBR=3E=26gt=3B =26gt=3B=3CBR=3E=26gt=3B =26gt= =3B=26nbsp=3B DOES ANYBODY KNOW WHERE TO GET GK 13-PIN COMPATIBLE =3CBR=3E= =26gt=3B CABLES IN EVEN SHORTER=3CBR=3E=26gt=3B =26gt=3B=26nbsp=3B LENGT= HS=3F=3CBR=3E=26gt=3B =3CBR=3E=26gt=3B Ted=2C=3CBR=3E=26gt=3B =3CBR=3E=26= gt=3B Check Ebay (=26lt=3B*ducking*=26gt=3B yes=2C i=27m serious)=2E =3C= BR=3E=26gt=3B There=27s a seller over there who occasionally =3CBR=3E=26= gt=3B offers these up=2E=26nbsp=3B I think their User ID is =3CBR=3E=26g= t=3B 4wells=2E=26nbsp=3B Don=27t worry=2C they=27re not shady or =3CBR=3E= =26gt=3B anything (I=27ve bought these things from them in =3CBR=3E=26gt= =3B the past)=2E=3CBR=3E=26gt=3B =3CBR=3E=26gt=3B It turns out that Rola= nd *does* make 13-pin =3CBR=3E=26gt=3B cables in a smaller size (like so= mewhere around 3 =3CBR=3E=26gt=3B or 5 feet=2C IIRC)=2E=26nbsp=3B But=2C= unfortunately=2C Roland =3CBR=3E=26gt=3B doesn=27t seem to sell these d= irect=2E=26nbsp=3B They come =3CBR=3E=26gt=3B bundled as extra cables wi= th devices like the =3CBR=3E=26gt=3B US-20 GK Unit Selector=2E=3CBR=3E=26= gt=3B =3CBR=3E=26gt=3B That seller to which I was referring has somehow = =3CBR=3E=26gt=3B gotten a stash of these things (don=27t know if =3CBR=3E= =26gt=3B he=27s unbundling them from the US-20=27s or what)=2E =3CBR=3E=26= gt=3B Every once in a while they come up=3B you=27ve just =3CBR=3E=26gt=3B= got to keep a watch out=2C or try contacting him =3CBR=3E=26gt=3B direc= tly=2E=3CBR=3E=26gt=3B =3CBR=3E=26gt=3B Oh yeah=2C I just found the URL = to one of his =3CBR=3E=26gt=3B completed (sorry!) auctions for a 4-foot = GK =3CBR=3E=26gt=3B cable=3A =3CBR=3E=26gt=3B http=3A//cgi=2Eebay=2Ecom/= ROLAND-4-FOOT-GK-CABLE-FOR-GUITAR-SYNTH-AND-=3CBR=3E=26gt=3B VG88=5FW0QQ= itemZ120160649039QQihZ002QQcategoryZ47075QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZVi= ewItem=3CBR=3E=26gt=3B You might also look around to see if Roland lists= =3CBR=3E=26gt=3B these as a replacement part=2C and have your bench =3C= BR=3E=26gt=3B tech or authorized service center order them=2E =3CBR=3E=26= gt=3B They do exist=2C they=27re just not very easy to find=2E=3CBR=3E=26= gt=3B =3CBR=3E=26gt=3B Just a couple of leads=2C but I hope it helps a l= ittle=2E=3CBR=3E=26gt=3B =3CBR=3E=26gt=3B --m=2E=3CBR=3E=26gt=3B -- =3CB= R=3E=26gt=3B =5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=3CBR=3E=26gt=3B =22the wind in my heart=3B = the dust in my head=2E=2E=2E=2E=22=3CBR=3E=26gt=3B =3C/DIV=3E --Boundary_(ID_x2Vy9ra3vPW0I6P7gqANiw)-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 1 20:36:43 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A93E13C040; Mon, 1 Oct 2007 20:36:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 3665 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Mon, 01 Oct 2007 20:36:43 UTC DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=xC05Dw9yZp7vPyMpBOaRoJ8Thvtxw0SJfCfVe8p4h70=; b=ax+L9wohapbYSLmYtQH365Nd3Op+DdHME/EXiTauh8jKfr2Kui4L4mJub0U9+H77U9ciolSyPrOPWC0ioi88SjTg5CSs3j9iOyNGJKR/UDaAW6WvxUm3T7hH23wrpmDqodLiMRhuSoneSF3D/D1eWQlGQI4oPYnqaslmF6rzH/w= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=X+rzge3xZnILyf4yuqyXlyYkWQRy2+LOqe3O/U2QFOKcNP0sBR6ZbTNd7EIxg4nnoQCG/jXTid5KhzEdY8Zf4DJAlpHxmFGkstS3WJ4a0kY7cBH79AHpPpHbbiemgo/Ad3XN+ufxw+uDhcAvzCgoHmVBlhPLhbKONyri30Oq7Tc= Message-ID: Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2007 15:35:36 -0400 From: "radio radio" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Loop Survey - Summary In-Reply-To: <000c01c8037c$57c97e30$1001a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_9548_25624074.1191267336665" References: <000c01c8037c$57c97e30$1001a8c0@succubus> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/75094 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2007 20:36:43 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_9548_25624074.1191267336665 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Great survey Rainer! That's a lot of work, so it must have been a labor of love...It also got me thinking - I have very little to add to discussions on this listserv because I am so new to looping (less than 1 year), and I have received some helpful feedback on basic questions in the past. The looping survey caught my eye because I actually spend a lot of time running statistical analyses of data, sometimes involving surveys like this one, and so if people would be interested (and Rainer doesn't want to do it and and sent me the raw data), I could look into questions like Rainer's "Is age associated with preference for hardware vs. software," and whatever other questions that people are curious about, and using the same sorts of analyses that researchers use when they want to know whether something looks like a difference but could actually be attributable to chance alone (versus, for example, to age or something else), or they want to know "how much" of a difference there is in some meaningful metric (although 'meaningful' again is subjective and would likely involve to some extent more 'statistics'). It would be relatively simple enough on my end, but could definitely be more technical than most people who don't typically deal in statistics would care about, even if I explained it in non-statistical terms. So, if anyone cares enough, let me know. Otherwise, I will spare the glazed eyes that I usually get when I talk about statistical research with people who aren't used to it. Eben On 9/30/07, Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill wrote: > > Hi everyone, > > first of all, thanks to all who took my online survey regarding looping > and > loopers. With 89 answers, at least some of the answers will bear some > statistical relevance. Please find below some of the results summarized. > All > values are percentages of the total answers. In the "looper rating" > category, the results are averaged to a percentage value as well (with > ++=100%, +=75% and so on up to --=0%). Some rounding errors may result in > percentages not adding up exactly up to 100%. In some questions, multiple > answers were possible so the total percentage exceeds 100%. Some people > skipped some questions, so the total result may also below 100%. > No analysis regarding relationship of the answers has been done (e.g. are > the older people more oriented towards hardware). > Indexes in parentheses indicate a ranking. For the ranking of the loopers, > only loopers which got at least 10% of the available answers were > considered. > > Again, thanks to all who participated - and on with the results! > > Rainer > > 1. SUMMARY: > Regarding demographics, the biggest groups are age 35-50 (55%) and more > than > ten years of looping experience (42%). > The biggest use for an ensemble setting is in solo performances by a huge > margin (97%). The most important applications for looping are layering > different parts from the same instrument (85%) and structuring > improvisations (72%). The second item makes sense, considering that 79% > use > looping for freely improvised material - only 21% use it in entirely > composed material. > For the majority of 52%, looping is used in most of their current work. > > 80% of the loopers prefer hardware loopers over software loopers. As for > explaining a looper to someone with basic audio tech understanding, the > majority would describe it as some kind of delay (36%), followed by the > sampler analogy (30%) and a completely different explanation (27%). > (Question: what are these "other explanations?") > > The statistics regarding use and ranking of loopers have been done > separately for SW and HW. Yet comparing both results, the most-used > software > looper would rank place 5 in a total ranking of the most-used loopers. > > The HW top3 usage-wise are the EDP (54%), followed by the DL4 (42%) and > the > Repeater (40%). Ranking-wise, the best ranking for a hardware looper goes > to > the Looperlative (94%! - hats off, bob!), followed by the EDP (89%) and > with > a little more distance the Repeater (79%). > > In the software domain, the top3 used looper software packages are a draw > between Mobius and Ableton Live (31%), followed by SooperLooper (17%). > Rating-wise, it's Mobius with 90% in the front, followed by MAX/MSP (88%) > and AugustusLoop (83%). > > > 2. DEMOGRAPHICS: > Age Categories: > <20 : 0% > 20-35 : 19% > 35-50 : 55% > >50 : 26% > > Loop Experience (years): > <1 : 5% > 1-3 : 15% > 3-5 : 19% > 5-10 : 20% > >10 : 42% > > 3. ENSEMBLE SETTINGS/USE OF LOOPING: > Ensemble Setting: > solo : 97% > ensemble : 51% > process others : 16% > > Use of looping: > layer same instrument : 85% > layer different instr. : 52% > sound design : 55% > process others : 15% > structure improvisation : 72% > structure noise sources : 58% > > Improvisation vs. Composition: > free improvisation : 79% > composed w/ improv part : 54% > entirely composed : 21% > > How often do you loop: > all of current work : 38% > most of current work : 52% > only occasionaly : 9% > > 4. LOOPER TECHNOLOGY: > Eplanation of a Looper: > delay : 36% > sampler : 30% > DAW : 6% > other : 27% > > Preference hardware vs software: > hardware : 80% > software : 18% > > 5. HARDWARE LOOPERS: > Usage of HW Loopers: > EDP : 54% > Repeater : 40% > Looperlative : 10% > Boomerang : 21% > Lexicon Jamman : 30% > Lexicon Vortex : 36% > Headrush : 17% > 2290 : 6% > DL4 : 42% > Boss RC series : 30% > Boss DD20 : 21% > Digitech Jamman : 10% > Digitech RDS/PDS : 17% > EH 2880 : 3% > Frippertronics : 12% > Eventides : 7% > Tape Delay : 19% > > Rating of HW Loopers: > EDP : 89% > Repeater : 79% > Looperlative : 94% > Boomerang : 63% > Lexicon Jamman : 70% > Lexicon Vortex : 66% > Headrush : 62% > 2290 : 50% > DL4 : 70% > Boss RC series : 72% > Boss DD20 : 64% > Digitech Jamman : 56% > Digitech RDS/PDS : 65% > EH 2880 : 67% > Frippertronics : 75% > Eventides : 79% > Tape Delay : 66% > > 6. SOFTWARE LOOPERS: > Usage of SW Loopers: > Ableton Live : 31% > PSP delays : 11% > Mobius : 31% > AugustusLoop : 15% > SooperLooper : 17% > LloopyLlama : 11% > Radical : 4% > MAX/MSP : 12% > > Rating of SW Loopers: > Ableton Live : 64% > PSP delays : 48% > Mobius : 90% > AugustusLoop : 83% > SooperLooper : 65% > LloopyLlama : 58% > Radical : 50% > MAX/MSP : 88% > > ------=_Part_9548_25624074.1191267336665 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline
Great survey Rainer! That's a lot of work, so it must have been a = labor of love...It also got me thinking - I have very little to add to disc= ussions on this listserv because I am so new to looping (less than 1 year),= and I have received some helpful feedback on basic questions in the past. = The looping survey caught my eye because I actually spend a lot of time run= ning statistical analyses of data, sometimes involving surveys like this on= e, and so if people would be interested (and Rainer doesn't want to do = it and and sent me the raw data), I could look into questions like Rainer&#= 39;s "Is age associated with preference for hardware vs. software,&quo= t; and whatever other questions that people are curious about, and using th= e same sorts of analyses that researchers use when they want to know whethe= r something looks like a difference but could actually be attributable to c= hance alone (versus, for example, to age or something else), or they w= ant to know "how much" of a difference there is in some meaningfu= l metric (although 'meaningful' again is subjective and would likel= y involve to some extent more 'statistics'). It would be relatively= simple enough on my end, but could definitely be more technical than most = people who don't typically deal in statistics would care about, even if= I explained it in non-statistical terms. So, if anyone cares enough, let m= e know. Otherwise, I will spare the glazed eyes that I usually get when I t= alk about statistical research with people who aren't used to it.=20

Eben

 
On 9/30/07, = Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill <rs@moinlabs.de> wrote:
Hi everyone,

first of all= , thanks to all who took my online survey regarding looping and
loopers.= With 89 answers, at least some of the answers will bear some
statistical relevance. Please find below some of the results summarized= . All
values are percentages of the total answers. In the "looper r= ating"
category, the results are averaged to a percentage value as = well (with
++=3D100%, +=3D75% and so on up to --=3D0%). Some rounding errors may r= esult in
percentages not adding up exactly up to 100%. In some questions= , multiple
answers were possible so the total percentage exceeds 100%. S= ome people
skipped some questions, so the total result may also below 100%.
No = analysis regarding relationship of the answers has been done (e.g. are
t= he older people more oriented towards hardware).
Indexes in parentheses = indicate a ranking. For the ranking of the loopers,
only loopers which got at least 10% of the available answers were
co= nsidered.

Again, thanks to all who participated - and on with the re= sults!

       Rainer

1. SUMMARY= :
Regarding demographics, the biggest groups are age 35-50 (55%) and mor= e than
ten years of looping experience (42%).
The biggest use for an ensemb= le setting is in solo performances by a huge
margin (97%). The most impo= rtant applications for looping are layering
different parts from the sam= e instrument (85%) and structuring
improvisations (72%). The second item makes sense, considering that 79%= use
looping for freely improvised material - only 21% use it in entirel= y
composed material.
For the majority of 52%, looping is used in most= of their current work.

80% of the loopers prefer hardware loopers over software loopers. A= s for
explaining a looper to someone with basic audio tech understanding= , the
majority would describe it as some kind of delay (36%), followed b= y the
sampler analogy (30%) and a completely different explanation (27%).
= (Question: what are these "other explanations?")

The stati= stics regarding use and ranking of loopers have been done
separately for= SW and HW. Yet comparing both results, the most-used software
looper would rank place 5 in a total ranking of the most-used loopers.<= br>
The HW top3 usage-wise are the EDP (54%), followed by the DL4 (42%) = and the
Repeater (40%). Ranking-wise, the best ranking for a hardware lo= oper goes to
the Looperlative (94%! - hats off, bob!), followed by the EDP (89%) and= with
a little more distance the Repeater (79%).

In the software = domain, the top3 used looper software packages are a draw
between Mobius= and Ableton Live (31%), followed by SooperLooper (17%).
Rating-wise, it's Mobius with 90% in the front, followed by MAX/MSP= (88%)
and AugustusLoop (83%).


2. DEMOGRAPHICS:
Age Catego= ries:
       <20    = ; : 0%
       20-35 : 19%
  &= nbsp;    35-50 : 55%
       >50     : 2= 6%

Loop Experience (years):
       = <1      : 5%
    &n= bsp;  1-3     : 15%
    &nb= sp;  3-5     : 19%
    &nbs= p;  5-10    : 20%
     = ;  >10     : 42%

3. ENSEMBLE SETTINGS/US= E OF LOOPING:
Ensemble Setting:
       solo &nb= sp;            =       : 97%
     =   ensemble          =       : 51%
     =   process others  : 16%

Use of looping:
 &nbs= p;     layer same instrument   : 85%
 = ;      layer different instr.  : 52%
       sound design   &nbs= p;        : 55%
  &nbs= p;    process others      &nbs= p;   : 15%
       structure= improvisation : 72%
       structure nois= e sources : 58%

Improvisation vs. Composition:
   =     free improvisation      : = 79%
       composed w/ improv part : 54%
&= nbsp;      entirely composed   &nbs= p;           : 21%
How often do you loop:
       all of curr= ent work     : 38%
     &nb= sp; most of current work    : 52%
   =     only occasionaly      &nbs= p;         : 9%

4. LOOPER TECHNOLOGY:
Eplanation of a Looper:
  &nb= sp;    delay        =    : 36%
       sampler : 30%       DAW     &nbs= p;       : 6%
    &nbs= p;  other           = : 27%

Preference hardware vs software:
    &n= bsp;  hardware        : 80%
       software    &n= bsp;   : 18%

5. HARDWARE LOOPERS:
Usage of HW Loop= ers:
       EDP    &nb= sp;            =     : 54%
       Repeater&n= bsp;            = ;   : 40%
       Looperlati= ve    : 10%
       Boo= merang           &nb= sp;   : 21%
       Lexicon Jamman  : 30%       Lexicon Vortex  : 36%
&n= bsp;      Headrush     &n= bsp;          : 17%
&n= bsp;      2290      =             &nb= sp; : 6%
       DL4   =             &nb= sp;     : 42%
       B= oss RC series  : 30%
       Boss= DD20           &nbs= p;   : 21%
       Digitech Jamman : 10%
 &nb= sp;     Digitech RDS/PDS     &= nbsp;  : 17%
       EH 2880 = ;        : 3%
    = ;   Frippertronics  : 12%
    &n= bsp;  Eventides         &= nbsp;     : 7%
       = Tape Delay           = ;   : 19%

Rating of HW Loopers:
       EDP &nbs= p;            &= nbsp;      : 89%
     =   Repeater          =       : 79%
     =   Looperlative    : 94%
    = ;   Boomerang        &nbs= p;      : 63%
     &nb= sp; Lexicon Jamman  : 70%
      = Lexicon Vortex  : 66%
       Headrush    &n= bsp;           : 62%=
       2290     =             &nb= sp;  : 50%
       DL4  = ;            &n= bsp;      : 70%
     &= nbsp; Boss RC series  : 72%
     &nbs= p; Boss DD20          &nb= sp;    : 64%
       Digitec= h Jamman : 56%
       Digitech RDS/PDS   =      : 65%
      = EH 2880         : 67%
 &nb= sp;     Frippertronics  : 75%
  =      Eventides       = ;        : 79%
   &nbs= p;   Tape Delay        &n= bsp;     : 66%

6. SOFTWARE LOOPERS:
Usag= e of SW Loopers:
       Ableton Live   &nbs= p;: 31%
       PSP delays   = ;           : 11%       Mobius     &= nbsp;    : 31%
       = AugustusLoop    : 15%
     =   SooperLooper    : 17%
    = ;   LloopyLlama        &n= bsp;    : 11%
       Radica= l         : 4%
       MAX/MSP    &nb= sp;    : 12%

Rating of SW Loopers:
  &nb= sp;    Ableton Live    : 64%
 &n= bsp;     PSP delays      =         : 48%
   =     Mobius        &n= bsp; : 90%
       AugustusLoop &= nbsp;  : 83%
       SooperLooper=     : 65%
       LloopyLlama    = ;         : 58%
  &nbs= p;    Radical        = ; : 50%
       MAX/MSP   &n= bsp;     : 88%


------=_Part_9548_25624074.1191267336665-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 1 20:44:07 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C779C3C03E; Mon, 1 Oct 2007 20:44:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 628 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Mon, 01 Oct 2007 20:44:07 UTC X-ExtLoop1: 1 X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.21,217,1188802800"; d="scan'208,217";a="237194527" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C8046A.2A8B335F" Subject: OT: Found sounds, contact mic recommendation Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2007 13:32:20 -0700 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20070930234256.9461E3C02D@arsenic.violacea.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: OT: Found sounds, contact mic recommendation Thread-Index: AcgDu613OxRRV0RiQYeE/VIif+FF1wArf41w References: <20070930234256.9461E3C02D@arsenic.violacea.com> From: "Veda, Qua" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Oct 2007 20:32:20.0623 (UTC) FILETIME=[2A8171F0:01C8046A] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/75095 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2007 20:44:07 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C8046A.2A8B335F Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I'd like to record some found sounds by mic'ing a string connected to various items. The string would have some tension in it. I'm imagining sandwiching the string between a contact mic and a hard object , or maybe between two contact mics. Any recommendations of what kind of mic could be used to do this? =20 In the meantime, here is a fun musical piece using recordings of gargling and splashing in a bath tub http://www.waterdogstudio.com/bowl/ -Qua ------_=_NextPart_001_01C8046A.2A8B335F Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable OT: Found sounds, contact mic recommendation

I'd like to record = some found sounds by mic'ing a string connected to various = items.   The string would have some tension in it.   = I'm imagining sandwiching the string between a contact mic and a hard = object , or maybe between two contact mics.

Any recommendations = of what kind of mic could be used to do this? 

In the meantime, here = is a fun musical piece using recordings of gargling and splashing in a = bath tub
http://www.waterdogstudio.com/bowl/

-Qua

------_=_NextPart_001_01C8046A.2A8B335F-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 1 20:45:22 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DA0563C04E; Mon, 1 Oct 2007 20:45:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: AW: Loop Survey - Summary Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2007 22:45:46 +0200 Organization: Moinlabs Message-ID: <003d01c8046c$0acd39a0$1001a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 In-Reply-To: Thread-Index: AcgEasd9HDXQWEm2RfiyQokLwb9PKwAAOhOQ X-RZG-AUTH: lUESeo99iNzPL8kuBgLYdKEqUywq9cxqeRA+BtFcSCD5deQ7OICI8esj/w== X-RZG-CLASS-ID: mo07 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/75096 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2007 20:45:22 +0000 (UTC) Thanks, Eben, for your generous offer. The main problem, however, is that the basic (free) surveys on surveymonkey don't offer you the possibility to download the raw data in one go - you would have to access all single 89 surveys and enter the data into a spreadsheet or database by hand. If you REALLY want to do that - be my guest as the say. Contact me off-list, and I could forward you my login data so you can do that sysyphus job by hand. ;) Rainer >my eye because I actually spend a lot of time running statistical analyses of data, sometimes involving >surveys like this one, and so if people would be interested (and Rainer doesn't want to do it and and sent me >the raw data), I could look into questions like Rainer's "Is age associated with preference for hardware vs. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 1 20:49:17 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 66AD73C046; Mon, 1 Oct 2007 20:49:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: AW: Loop Survey - Summary - post scriptum to eben Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2007 22:49:41 +0200 Organization: Moinlabs Message-ID: <004101c8046c$9726ca60$1001a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 In-Reply-To: Thread-Index: AcgEasd9HDXQWEm2RfiyQokLwb9PKwAAW2sw X-RZG-AUTH: lUESeo99iNzPL8kuBgLYdKEqUywq9cxqeRA+BtFcSCD5deQ7OICI8esj/w== X-RZG-CLASS-ID: mo07 Resent-Message-ID: <0SJwHD.A.JnG.N1VAHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/75097 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2007 20:49:17 +0000 (UTC) btw, there's one analysis you could do even without having the raw data: with the data you already have from my published info regarding looping experiences in the bins, could you do an analaysis how many people per year have been coming in during the last 25 years to give us this results. Obviously, this is an under-determined set of equations, but what is it? Obviously, only a few people in the first years, then two peaks in the middle and since a decline? Rainer From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 1 21:23:00 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C69163C04F; Mon, 1 Oct 2007 21:23:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 1648 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Mon, 01 Oct 2007 21:23:00 UTC DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=kfppkIaUCjP+GuRMmWkzPBhJKgRJn+tAnQxwa8nQcjI=; b=P9tXsG36kkF0C9pCQfywzpaqXmHmKR9j2d2caUFKLMvMa6+tR9ixAlNcX5sTnd5w77bZk0O8dNZlf7YLCa6bBjSjNy0egBdAgv1pWf2hBUC/rYeSZLwBLZ7VJwoaoOBnVVYudznSJXek03o76m/RpGvMMOzAj/1lCnJAJpPWhl8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=jo/jggzfksvWO2ORg4Flbb3yom4wfeIlSJtZKaT8WnR4jN03uUi3phnGK1zXOrUY8qJZUSdeGHVTtPJhaZcn9EdFrkPNtM4MFL/nIkChpL9ssMBShpEEn2cZgQjZ5jA7segTzXlp2aen9mRkcAC6Q16CdyYhDFyMyhYGEmyCWeI= Message-ID: Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2007 16:55:31 -0400 From: "Tony K" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: Found sounds, contact mic recommendation In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <20070930234256.9461E3C02D@arsenic.violacea.com> Resent-Message-ID: <3rk-3D.A.60H.0UWAHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/75098 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2007 21:23:00 +0000 (UTC) you can make your own contact mic... http://home.earthlink.net/~erinys/contactmic.html Or, maybe get one of those clip on lapel mics and clip it to the string. That might pick up the vibrations and give you some interesting sounds. http://www.radioshack.com/sm-hands-free-tie-clip-omnidirectional-electret--pi-2102927.html Tony On 10/1/07, Veda, Qua wrote: > > > > I'd like to record some found sounds by mic'ing a string connected to > various items. The string would have some tension in it. I'm imagining > sandwiching the string between a contact mic and a hard object , or maybe > between two contact mics. > > Any recommendations of what kind of mic could be used to do this? > > In the meantime, here is a fun musical piece using recordings of gargling > and splashing in a bath tub > http://www.waterdogstudio.com/bowl/ > > -Qua -- -==-=-=- Tony From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 1 22:07:20 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1A7343C038; Mon, 1 Oct 2007 22:07:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <20071001180719.2QTUG.114291.root@fepweb03> Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2007 18:07:19 -0400 From: =?utf-8?Q?tEd_=C2=AE_kiLLiAn?= To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: RE: Recommended Cables - GK Guitar Synth Compatible Cables Cc: mwsmart@insightbb.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Sensitivity: Normal X-Originating-IP: X-Chzlrs: 0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/75099 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2007 22:07:20 +0000 (UTC) Thanks for the link. I'll look into it. Onward and upward! tEd =C2=AE kiLLiAn "Different is not always better, but better is always different" Flux Aeterna: http://phobos.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewAlbum?p= layListId=3D6378076=20 Also check out the BEMF 1 CDs at: http://www.boisemusicians.com/experimenta= l/cd.htm http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314 http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193 http://www.loopers-delight.com/cgi-bin/profiles.cgi?step=3Dview_profile&id= =3D121197000042 http://www.guitarplayer.com/story.asp?storyCode=3D18131 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So??? ---- mwsmart@insightbb.com wrote:=20 > If you're inclined to soldering, you can get the male 13-pin connectors f= rom Digi-Key: >=20 > http://search.digikey.com/scripts/DkSearch/dksus.dll?Detail?name=3DCP-101= 3-ND >=20 > You could take a long cable, cut it, and put new connectors on the expose= d ends. >=20 > Mark Smart > http://www.marksmart.net >=20 > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Mech > Date: Monday, October 1, 2007 13:43 > Subject: RE: Recommended Cables - GK Guitar Synth Compatible Cables > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >=20 > > At 10:24 AM -0700 10/1/07, tEd =C2=AE kiLLiAn wrote: > > > > > > DOES ANYBODY KNOW WHERE TO GET GK 13-PIN COMPATIBLE=20 > > CABLES IN EVEN SHORTER > > > LENGTHS? > >=20 > > Ted, > >=20 > > Check Ebay (<*ducking*> yes, i'm serious).=20 > > There's a seller over there who occasionally=20 > > offers these up. I think their User ID is=20 > > 4wells. Don't worry, they're not shady or=20 > > anything (I've bought these things from them in=20 > > the past). > >=20 > > It turns out that Roland *does* make 13-pin=20 > > cables in a smaller size (like somewhere around 3=20 > > or 5 feet, IIRC). But, unfortunately, Roland=20 > > doesn't seem to sell these direct. They come=20 > > bundled as extra cables with devices like the=20 > > US-20 GK Unit Selector. > >=20 > > That seller to which I was referring has somehow=20 > > gotten a stash of these things (don't know if=20 > > he's unbundling them from the US-20's or what).=20 > > Every once in a while they come up; you've just=20 > > got to keep a watch out, or try contacting him=20 > > directly. > >=20 > > Oh yeah, I just found the URL to one of his=20 > > completed (sorry!) auctions for a 4-foot GK=20 > > cable:=20 > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ROLAND-4-FOOT-GK-CABLE-FOR-GUITAR-SYNTH-AND- > > VG88_W0QQitemZ120160649039QQihZ002QQcategoryZ47075QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrd= Z1QQcmdZViewItem > > You might also look around to see if Roland lists=20 > > these as a replacement part, and have your bench=20 > > tech or authorized service center order them.=20 > > They do exist, they're just not very easy to find. > >=20 > > Just a couple of leads, but I hope it helps a little. > >=20 > > --m. > > --=20 > > _____ > > "the wind in my heart; the dust in my head...." > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 1 22:09:43 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 09D743C047; Mon, 1 Oct 2007 22:09:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <20071001180942.1VC0U.114340.root@fepweb03> Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2007 15:09:42 -0700 From: =?utf-8?Q?tEd_=C2=AE_kiLLiAn?= To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Recommended Cables - GK Guitar Synth Compatible Cables Cc: Mech In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Sensitivity: Normal X-Originating-IP: X-Chzlrs: 0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/75100 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2007 22:09:42 +0000 (UTC) Thanks, I'll follow this up. If he put's any more online I'll hit him up for a couple. Muchas gracias! tEd =C2=AE kiLLiAn "Different is not always better, but better is always different" Flux Aeterna: http://phobos.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewAlbum?p= layListId=3D6378076=20 Also check out the BEMF 1 CDs at: http://www.boisemusicians.com/experimenta= l/cd.htm http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314 http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193 http://www.loopers-delight.com/cgi-bin/profiles.cgi?step=3Dview_profile&id= =3D121197000042 http://www.guitarplayer.com/story.asp?storyCode=3D18131 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So??? ---- Mech wrote:=20 > At 10:24 AM -0700 10/1/07, tEd =C2=AE kiLLiAn wrote: > > > > DOES ANYBODY KNOW WHERE TO GET GK 13-PIN COMPATIBLE CABLES IN EVEN SHO= RTER > > LENGTHS? >=20 > Ted, >=20 > Check Ebay (<*ducking*> yes, i'm serious).=20 > There's a seller over there who occasionally=20 > offers these up. I think their User ID is=20 > 4wells. Don't worry, they're not shady or=20 > anything (I've bought these things from them in=20 > the past). >=20 > It turns out that Roland *does* make 13-pin=20 > cables in a smaller size (like somewhere around 3=20 > or 5 feet, IIRC). But, unfortunately, Roland=20 > doesn't seem to sell these direct. They come=20 > bundled as extra cables with devices like the=20 > US-20 GK Unit Selector. >=20 > That seller to which I was referring has somehow=20 > gotten a stash of these things (don't know if=20 > he's unbundling them from the US-20's or what).=20 > Every once in a while they come up; you've just=20 > got to keep a watch out, or try contacting him=20 > directly. >=20 > Oh yeah, I just found the URL to one of his=20 > completed (sorry!) auctions for a 4-foot GK=20 > cable:=20 > http://cgi.ebay.com/ROLAND-4-FOOT-GK-CABLE-FOR-GUITAR-SYNTH-AND-VG88_W0QQ= itemZ120160649039QQihZ002QQcategoryZ47075QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewI= tem >=20 > You might also look around to see if Roland lists=20 > these as a replacement part, and have your bench=20 > tech or authorized service center order them.=20 > They do exist, they're just not very easy to find. >=20 > Just a couple of leads, but I hope it helps a little. >=20 > =09--m. > -- > _____ > "the wind in my heart; the dust in my head...." >=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 1 22:37:51 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AC4B53C04D; Mon, 1 Oct 2007 22:37:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 428 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Mon, 01 Oct 2007 22:37:51 UTC DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=KM7u/w/Z0toIbhVv1Zpg5Hkkw/9zMujiQeUHcNMDhzQ=; b=PGm3fTpaGyTMNkvpBSPTpX2WFntRqUdTLLcorwo+qvOuVKgD5ynwc7UvcLc9wvktXjJmn1xQuHDILHNU8Kbb9q41bW6rano6oJHTm7/vOOGVLfK28Bj+wmvTNPJKbUszF4XSCHUtnUA2poMlcGeeCN0qkpg6B+C4h8Ld0Sog/RY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=J7V+M//xFiowQA2yP++/HICtVCEXgXFOySp61C3NOHA2mqhJ6Sd9R+A0JSH482SUQODA5S/pEWdaHbdIxrFQB+hDj872U5a2xp7ZU+vlH5crPuxFVJq6TIqGLf9/dSgSbT42Knue7bP9vjo87wl19ebL7dJiiF5Ss+MRVjtobx4= Message-ID: Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2007 17:30:42 -0500 From: "Doug Cox" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Loop Survey - Summary In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_14212_32085606.1191277842243" References: <000c01c8037c$57c97e30$1001a8c0@succubus> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/75101 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2007 22:37:51 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_14212_32085606.1191277842243 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline If you're interested, the 2005 Survey data is available in an Excel spreadsheet with a pivot table here: http://uncledig.com/wp/archives/116 Different data (it only gathered age, country, primary instrument, and then all looping devices (software and hardware) used), but it might give you some of the info you're looking for. There were 182 respondents. ------=_Part_14212_32085606.1191277842243 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline If you're interested, the 2005 Survey data is available in an Excel spreadsheet with a pivot table here: http://uncledig.com/wp/archives/116

Different data (it only gathered age, country, primary instrument, and then all looping devices (software and hardware) used), but it might give you some of the info you're looking for.  There were 182 respondents.
------=_Part_14212_32085606.1191277842243-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 1 22:59:27 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 035DE3BFC5; Mon, 1 Oct 2007 22:59:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=JP6Eb52WfBxFjowZIiUv5OW669MRRjkNcKeWJKGxL/4=; b=W/QaZQadER3eMHI8LgL7yXG0wnMuoBC/kzSghDsbeU/ggu3Jgb9z/ceifQPkxfhwot1OXNLzPXLltNn4m5Sptlzilf18HUOFEuR30pE60hMaFOjUrQqAf+iU8aY3hAuzlHDVElLqJvZq8iHIQICJYRfx6nJmef+c8ubmivXKs28= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=LuMe4mWTEduXfhgI8ZHx5gC2pmvZjl9/8YSpzK6s5m7B7taCvVKS6FabM2ZJv0+jn3d3Y3oVHj1HxkcmoOAIaZmbP6MH3V87dPv0mjAj9OE5AXnb97ePgwkAzH0he5GFSX2B2KP7a8GqlxwqUExKY0z7Xt/SdWLttCATDuLB8yg= Message-ID: Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2007 17:33:36 -0500 From: "Doug Cox" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: pre recorded talking between live played songs In-Reply-To: <1BB076E4C332F9469148F41725F17A72055FF9D1@MTVNE-EXCLUST02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_14223_15897413.1191278016948" References: <40494.167.83.10.20.1191013614.squirrel@www.michaelplishka.com> <1BB076E4C332F9469148F41725F17A72055FF9D1@MTVNE-EXCLUST02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/75102 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2007 22:59:26 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_14223_15897413.1191278016948 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Wanna buy some Mandies, Bob? ------=_Part_14223_15897413.1191278016948 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Wanna buy some Mandies, Bob?
------=_Part_14223_15897413.1191278016948-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 1 23:08:13 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id ABE3E3C051; Mon, 1 Oct 2007 23:08:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 402 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Mon, 01 Oct 2007 23:08:13 UTC DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=5UIAtcIq6K1g/dDw4s4fHXpVcAqCs6mTwMT0/1WBJ12Cp6gqjTaKkgYis9Yk+CpCCPcszvpLI2mQbsBzlP7QCsxfVTYGiIyqoYKObnMcD+kknl1QUwBmT9gGZDn3qaMkf2j89n+aNnAsI3X8LkM3vCpNXCpmXiNGjD0RSnIIGyM=; X-YMail-OSG: ExKl3T4VM1kuzLocAVYFMLQSyOJpUSY5AduRAKfVKxvcDApqMHY8rNLTmSO9s1F5q3rPOlFS41orm8wht6cX4q1FKW6ARrcWDoV.YYgPWc4vRBWgSME- Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2007 16:01:31 -0700 (PDT) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: RE: Recommended Cables - GK Guitar Synth Compatible Cables To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20071001132401.P2V99.105337.root@fepweb09> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <166296.35718.qm@web38607.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/75103 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2007 23:08:13 +0000 (UTC) here you can get them in different sizes and they ship worlwide: http://www.thomann.de/de/roland_gkc3.htm cheers Luis > > My question: > > > > DOES ANYBODY KNOW WHERE TO GET GK 13-PIN > COMPATIBLE CABLES IN EVEN SHORTER > > LENGTHS? > > > > I have a recently acquired box (a GKP-4) that acts > as a signal splitter so > > that my GK-equipped guitars can drive more than > one "brain" (GR synth-based > > or VG COSM-based). > > > > I hate the idea of having no other choice than to > connect items that sit on > > the floor only inches apart with a cable that is > 10' long (or more). > > > > Spaghetti is meant for Italian pasta on a plate, > not instrument floor cables > > underfoot. > > > > Besides shorter cable lengths sound better. > > > > If I could find a source for Gk 13-pin cables in > lengths of 3' or shorter I > > would be eternally grateful. > > > > Thanks! > > > > > > tEd R KiLLiAn > > > > www.tedkillian.com > > > > Different is not always better, but better is > always different" > > > > Flux Aeterna: > > > http://phobos.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewAlbum?playListId=63780 > > 76 > > > > Also check out the 1st set of BEMF (Boise > Experimental Music Festival) CDs > > at: > > http://www.boisemusicians.com/experimental/cd.htm > > > > http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html > > http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian > > http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html > > http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina > > > http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=2845073 > > > > http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=CBNM_17314 > > > > http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=193 > > > > http://www.loopers-delight.com/cgi-bin/profiles.cgi?step=view_profile&id=121 > > 1970 > > 00042 > > > > Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: > Apple iTunes, > > BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, > DiscLogic, Napster, > > AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, > Etherstream, > > RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, > Puretracks, > > and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. > So??? > > > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom ____________________________________________________________________________________ Fussy? Opinionated? Impossible to please? Perfect. Join Yahoo!'s user panel and lay it on us. http://surveylink.yahoo.com/gmrs/yahoo_panel_invite.asp?a=7 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 1 23:36:48 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 764FD3C04C; Mon, 1 Oct 2007 23:36:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 2177 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Mon, 01 Oct 2007 23:36:48 UTC Message-ID: <380-22007101123031817@M2W042.mail2web.com> X-Priority: 3 Reply-To: qua@oregon.com X-Originating-IP: 134.134.136.4 X-URL: http://mail2web.com/ From: "qua@oregon.com" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2007 19:00:31 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: Loop Survey - Summary Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/75104 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2007 23:36:48 +0000 (UTC) Very interesting !! -Qua Original Message: ----------------- From: Doug Cox uncledig@gmail=2Ecom Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2007 17:30:42 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight=2Ecom Subject: Re: Loop Survey - Summary If you're interested, the 2005 Survey data is available in an Excel spreadsheet with a pivot table here: http://uncledig=2Ecom/wp/archives/116= Different data (it only gathered age, country, primary instrument, and the= n all looping devices (software and hardware) used), but it might give you some of the info you're looking for=2E There were 182 respondents=2E -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web LIVE =96 Free email based on Microsoft=AE Exchange technology - http://link=2Email2web=2Ecom/LIVE From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 1 23:43:23 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 57D843C056; Mon, 1 Oct 2007 23:43:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <20071001194322.BO6VT.116595.root@fepweb03> Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2007 16:43:22 -0700 From: =?utf-8?Q?tEd_=C2=AE_kiLLiAn?= To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Recommended Cables - GK Guitar Synth Compatible Cables Cc: "L.A. Angulo" In-Reply-To: <166296.35718.qm@web38607.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Sensitivity: Normal X-Originating-IP: X-Chzlrs: 0 Resent-Message-ID: <-MriZC.A.DYF.aYYAHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/75105 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2007 23:43:23 +0000 (UTC) Luis, Thanks! But that is the 3 meter version (approximately 10 feet) It's the same as is available from several other vendors online. I need a 1 meter version (about 3 ft). I am hoping to find something shorter than the 3 meter ones that are widely= available.. Thanks for trying though. Best regards, tEd =C2=AE kiLLiAn "Different is not always better, but better is always different" Flux Aeterna: http://phobos.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewAlbum?p= layListId=3D6378076=20 Also check out the BEMF 1 CDs at: http://www.boisemusicians.com/experimenta= l/cd.htm http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314 http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193 http://www.loopers-delight.com/cgi-bin/profiles.cgi?step=3Dview_profile&id= =3D121197000042 http://www.guitarplayer.com/story.asp?storyCode=3D18131 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So??? ---- "L.A. 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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 2 00:05:09 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7D7263C04C; Tue, 2 Oct 2007 00:05:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 399 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Tue, 02 Oct 2007 00:05:08 UTC DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=GUMNBnxGC/N2dkYNrMRk1KMRY/3fKR/OUCEsoFhQgaa3TmOffq93bW9MhbWdzwffe8kXECjQT6jFdrb2SioC/z01UlAVMsXYO1mJgz5RLpud2n3wY/XSmBwEmnRbx4K9dZ5xr2dvSfDbcbPYc4fWhW1O6W2uU9dd16plmEfow8Q=; X-YMail-OSG: HcusW8wVM1lfOb3a9amY4bEed3KKDF1yAHTzbiR2nJ6wfzXLlew9iZZHS2nHGmsD3c3OHYMdozgAGBWR51S4ZbFH_kCn23nnXC2TDwhVzjgp6eXiXH4- Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2007 16:58:27 -0700 (PDT) From: bill bigrig Subject: Re: OT: Found sounds, contact mic recommendation To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <262371.40578.qm@web32715.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/75106 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2007 00:05:09 +0000 (UTC) Howdy, I have been making contact mics for YEARS with the rat-shack 27-064. Too bad they no longer sell them. I guess it's allelectronics from here out. Rig --- Tony K wrote: > you can make your own contact mic... > > http://home.earthlink.net/~erinys/contactmic.html > > Or, maybe get one of those clip on lapel mics and > clip it to the > string. That might pick up the vibrations and give > you some > interesting sounds. > > http://www.radioshack.com/sm-hands-free-tie-clip-omnidirectional-electret--pi-2102927.html > > Tony > > On 10/1/07, Veda, Qua wrote: > > > > > > > > I'd like to record some found sounds by mic'ing a > string connected to > > various items. The string would have some > tension in it. I'm imagining > > sandwiching the string between a contact mic and a > hard object , or maybe > > between two contact mics. > > > > Any recommendations of what kind of mic could be > used to do this? > > > > In the meantime, here is a fun musical piece using > recordings of gargling > > and splashing in a bath tub > > http://www.waterdogstudio.com/bowl/ > > > > -Qua > > > -- > -==-=-=- > Tony > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Got a little couch potato? Check out fun summer activities for kids. http://search.yahoo.com/search?fr=oni_on_mail&p=summer+activities+for+kids&cs=bz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 2 00:16:41 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B0B063C057; Tue, 2 Oct 2007 00:16:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 400 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Tue, 02 Oct 2007 00:16:41 UTC DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=EQleo0ZBH7yKw6L12ePfbIHDTbL/mcbGA+sMrDt+zj3YAq8mPxYNEIjK3WSfG7OBaHIsYiDPvrvUdrJiuCGsmahU6jP0oJV71LxwQDdcwIkU8gc/XOJvrFCrlNpGd/HcAGzmdLISBpt2lXcOX+6pnoUIFrQpu4nbT9iK63/b0VE=; X-YMail-OSG: 3xvpolcVM1nX0K0bpnOOHOG0Hvt.4L3xiEj9XMhiMd71VC29Vgzikd2jjVWFi5ygQXPEsgOh41Q.9XSume4CesGcqWjfg9MpItca9cT9D1X_OvzVzws- Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2007 17:10:00 -0700 (PDT) From: bill bigrig Subject: Re: OT: Found sounds, contact mic recommendation To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <545867.84705.qm@web32705.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: <2bZCJC.A.BzG.p3YAHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/75107 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2007 00:16:41 +0000 (UTC) Howdy, You might want to try epoxying th string to the center of a small, decent quality speaker. with the proper tension on the string,the speaker could generate some kool signals. notethat I have never tried this, but always used rat-shack peizos. mabe epoxying the string to the center of the peizo. So many possiblilities. i have used the rat shack 273-064 for everything from pianos, harps, fiddles, mandolins, to tower bracing cables, industrial machine surfaces, engine blocks,heads etc. Probably the best was when I took 2 homemade celtic harps out front during a windy day, put a peizo on the bass and treble end of each soundboard and 4 tracked it all while the wind was blowing through the strings. I have 16 22 minute cassettes of this to stack up on multitrack to make a VERY ethereal piece of muzik. It ought to be very mesmerizing if I ever get around to finishing the project. Rig --- "Veda, Qua" wrote: > I'd like to record some found sounds by mic'ing a > string connected to > various items. The string would have some tension > in it. I'm > imagining sandwiching the string between a contact > mic and a hard object > , or maybe between two contact mics. > > Any recommendations of what kind of mic could be > used to do this? > > In the meantime, here is a fun musical piece using > recordings of > gargling and splashing in a bath tub > http://www.waterdogstudio.com/bowl/ > > -Qua > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Shape Yahoo! in your own image. Join our Network Research Panel today! http://surveylink.yahoo.com/gmrs/yahoo_panel_invite.asp?a=7 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 2 01:43:35 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 565A13C01C; Tue, 2 Oct 2007 01:43:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 450 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Tue, 02 Oct 2007 01:43:34 UTC X_CMAE_Category: 0,0 Undefined,Undefined X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=jivzqyGWAAAA:8 a=xET49kwZ_6MLBjGUBMcA:9 a=j7aWvspcVuvCUH4uvGbvwJzh1fAA:4 a=rC2wZJ5BpNYA:10 a=br5QjLurtgQA:10 a=GL-Re4spl-cA:10 X-CM-Score: 0 X-Scanned-by: Cloudmark Authority Engine Authentication-Results: smtp09.embarq.synacor.com smtp.mail=echohead@embarqmail.com; spf=neutral Authentication-Results: smtp09.embarq.synacor.com smtp.user=echohead@embarqmail.com; auth=pass (LOGIN) Received-SPF: neutral (smtp09.embarq.synacor.com: 71.52.216.61 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of embarqmail.com) Message-ID: <002e01c80494$9804c720$0202a8c0@YOUR08D5303051> From: "Jeff Duke" To: References: <262371.40578.qm@web32715.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: OT: Found sounds, contact mic recommendation Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2007 21:36:02 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/75108 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2007 01:43:35 +0000 (UTC) Would this be a good substitute? http://www.allspectrum.com/store/product_info.php?products_id=453 Jeff ----- Original Message ----- From: "bill bigrig" To: Sent: Monday, October 01, 2007 7:58 PM Subject: Re: OT: Found sounds, contact mic recommendation > Howdy, > > I have been making contact mics for YEARS with the > rat-shack 27-064. Too bad they no longer sell them. I > guess it's allelectronics from here out. > Rig > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 2 01:51:05 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D7A1A3C057; Tue, 2 Oct 2007 01:51:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com In-Reply-To: <835E17CE-7A26-4772-9526-C561A8CD00C1@gmail.com> References: <02df01c803f7$534782a0$6401a8c0@dayglogreen> <534F4974-D305-4D32-B88B-A90A2C3DA04B@mac.com> <835E17CE-7A26-4772-9526-C561A8CD00C1@gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Chuck Silva Subject: Music Tech-Recording Forum Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2007 21:50:40 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/75109 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2007 01:51:05 +0000 (UTC) > Thank you Per Boyson for your kind suggestion regarding off topic > discussions...... I'm wondering If anyone can't point me in the direction of a good Music Tech-Digital Recording Forum? Would it be appropriate to discuss recording software-technics- soft synths and the like on this forum? For example, I'm never really happy with the way my bass tracks and drums lay in my recordings-compared to the pro recordings. I'm not a slouch and have pretty good ears and experience, yet it is still a mystery. I'm hoping this relates to this forum. loops are an intregal part of my (and most everyones I'd think) recordings. Is this forum for 'live loopers' only? Any suggestions out there? Peace. Chuck Silva > Send it to the off topic list at > http://groups.google.com/group/loopers-delight-off-topic > Doing so won't clog up the looping list digest and only those > subscribed to the off topic list will get it. > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 2 02:24:52 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0BAF33C05B; Tue, 2 Oct 2007 02:24:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 586 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Tue, 02 Oct 2007 02:24:51 UTC From: "Qua Veda" To: References: <262371.40578.qm@web32715.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <002e01c80494$9804c720$0202a8c0@YOUR08D5303051> In-Reply-To: <002e01c80494$9804c720$0202a8c0@YOUR08D5303051> Subject: RE: OT: Found sounds, contact mic recommendation Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2007 19:14:53 -0700 Message-ID: <000001c8049a$0562e0e0$1028a2a0$@com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: AcgElvHlYsK2S1neT4uMuA8fmyaXHgAARzwA Content-Language: en-us X-RBL-Warning: REVDNS: This E-mail was sent from a MUA/MTA 206.212.233.27 with no reverse DNS entry. X-Declude-Sender: qua@oregon.com [206.212.233.27] X-Declude-Spoolname: Dabc10de000007385.smd X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude JunkMail (www.declude.com) for spam. Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/75110 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2007 02:24:51 +0000 (UTC) Hi Jeff, your link didn't work, but I'll try it again later. In the meantime, I've found some contact mics online. "stereo" contact mics at www.contactmicrophones.com, plus some piezo film ones on ebay that range from $25-$50. This ebay ad has a cool video with it demonstrating using the mic with fx processor. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=140163888540&sspagename=A DME:X:AAQ:US:11 Roland makes a cheap contact mic for use with a tuner - not sure how well it would capture sounds. May have to buy one to see how it works for my particular application. -Qua -----Original Message----- From: Jeff Duke [mailto:echohead@embarqmail.com] Sent: Monday, October 01, 2007 6:36 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: Found sounds, contact mic recommendation Would this be a good substitute? http://www.allspectrum.com/store/product_info.php?products_id=453 Jeff ----- Original Message ----- From: "bill bigrig" To: Sent: Monday, October 01, 2007 7:58 PM Subject: Re: OT: Found sounds, contact mic recommendation > Howdy, > > I have been making contact mics for YEARS with the > rat-shack 27-064. Too bad they no longer sell them. I > guess it's allelectronics from here out. > Rig > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 2 02:29:16 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7F3F83C05F; Tue, 2 Oct 2007 02:29:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 1380 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Tue, 02 Oct 2007 02:29:15 UTC In-Reply-To: References: <02df01c803f7$534782a0$6401a8c0@dayglogreen> <534F4974-D305-4D32-B88B-A90A2C3DA04B@mac.com> <835E17CE-7A26-4772-9526-C561A8CD00C1@gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-46-382689238 Message-Id: From: James Richmond Subject: Re: Music Tech-Recording Forum Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2007 22:06:10 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/75111 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2007 02:29:16 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-46-382689238 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed On Oct 1, 2007, at 9:50 PM, Chuck Silva wrote: > I'm wondering If anyone can't point me in the direction of a good > Music Tech-Digital Recording Forum? I'm active on the Electronic Music forum at Gearslutz. It is a great forum with a lot of knowledgeable people. Jim Richmond --Apple-Mail-46-382689238 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII
On Oct 1, 2007, at 9:50 PM, Chuck Silva wrote:

I'm wondering If anyone can't point me in the direction of a good Music Tech-Digital Recording Forum?


I'm active on the Electronic Music forum at Gearslutz.

It is a great forum with a lot of knowledgeable people.

Jim Richmond
--Apple-Mail-46-382689238-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 2 02:47:46 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 56E313C04E; Tue, 2 Oct 2007 02:47:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 415 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Tue, 02 Oct 2007 02:47:45 UTC DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; bh=vsMlI2ETM3xFsSGeJBL10IlHRg/B3I0/ADvR6bGG2ZI=; b=qeH0syejPSQ9RR27qeOqXo5spfHkCPnKw6P4W/R86Hu3Xpagj9sObCIa7jA+PeB1SNzrSc0Gf440csMewdGw9PQNec3zguQxVTUXlR7Dv6CjEDpPmRUEV3QNjwppEj7HsmqdgR3M7umJDl8L2+yRbQh+SVLv6vOAI+bFoTAIa4A= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=QYo8I14lbvpJwctONFgCBB7+1wcIwOxoIC3OYQ2efaXHc7TckeQkhGYB54/etc3/GtEtyGkfCVqD6kkSQJMDpaHYXUh3a9fUY/UQs0eK++UgqqQVTx0ZxgykGmSZ4URzk1pcpEjuN81VqDleQOk4XiI5Zspo3Nv5Ao7VVplPCFY= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <000001c8049a$0562e0e0$1028a2a0$@com> References: <262371.40578.qm@web32715.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <002e01c80494$9804c720$0202a8c0@YOUR08D5303051> <000001c8049a$0562e0e0$1028a2a0$@com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: RP Collier Subject: Re: OT: Found sounds, contact mic recommendation Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2007 19:40:32 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/75112 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2007 02:47:46 +0000 (UTC) On Oct 1, 2007, at 7:14 PM, Qua Veda wrote: > plus some piezo film ones on ebay that range from $25-$50. Here you can get the piezo film for $14, $9 and $2 : http://www.windworld.com/products/catalog.htm you need to scroll 3/4 of the way down the page. regards BobC http://tinyurl.com/yt8f8j http://www.youtube.com/tynego From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 2 03:44:17 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 11F653C065; Tue, 2 Oct 2007 03:44:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:from:to:references:subject:date:message-id:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-mailer:x-mimeole:thread-index:in-reply-to; bh=Hj7m1+5TK8gEEuPkJKETqZ9cjEOVR81SSXSrv3YPwYY=; b=Paflg7fBWgx1lbsqN47q0DXnkAW10wQY0T8ji1nR6TBYM8VdOJnDMqUHiYgf24+5bCMdEGRRePbTpb5ox9f2ssGVl2MhVc8czjax4SrjkVPNizbiihHgFO0SJggtIMPnzI1gdEcyA4Xdcui2eqWQLwcPAVrO7Wot2yDzyLLuVJc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:from:to:references:subject:date:message-id:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-mailer:x-mimeole:thread-index:in-reply-to; b=iPVucKV0/bEVTHvHkT8Yd8KbXfTdDDag0P+zxzLdPZCwpcuJzF2ovZHx6yvBXKa8wNyOFhElMNvbvhMrWMGrjawMo0vCBA0lmdprqJe81Uga8Wgbda4M6PZeM9gtKlbC5YPGePD6YLPTuLneK77xoMs9ZtV/aGPXLq9wfwiHyRM= From: "Tony K" To: References: <02df01c803f7$534782a0$6401a8c0@dayglogreen> <534F4974-D305-4D32-B88B-A90A2C3DA04B@mac.com> <835E17CE-7A26-4772-9526-C561A8CD00C1@gmail.com> Subject: RE: Music Tech-Recording Forum Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2007 23:44:17 -0400 Message-ID: <00a001c804a6$832ee530$0200a8c0@daw1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1250" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Thread-index: AcgElrunQuNNaVM2Tb6H1Krfb9ynuQAD459w In-Reply-To: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/75113 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2007 03:44:17 +0000 (UTC) mixmasters@yahoogroups.com is quite nice. Tony -----Original Message----- From: Chuck Silva [mailto:any1particular@mac.com] Sent: Monday, October 01, 2007 9:51 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Music Tech-Recording Forum > Thank you Per Boyson for your kind suggestion regarding off topic > discussions...... I'm wondering If anyone can't point me in the direction of a good Music Tech-Digital Recording Forum? Would it be appropriate to discuss recording software-technics- soft synths and the like on this forum? For example, I'm never really happy with the way my bass tracks and drums lay in my recordings-compared to the pro recordings. I'm not a slouch and have pretty good ears and experience, yet it is still a mystery. I'm hoping this relates to this forum. loops are an intregal part of my (and most everyones I'd think) recordings. Is this forum for 'live loopers' only? Any suggestions out there? Peace. Chuck Silva > Send it to the off topic list at > http://groups.google.com/group/loopers-delight-off-topic > Doing so won't clog up the looping list digest and only those > subscribed to the off topic list will get it. > > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.13.37/1042 - Release Date: 10/1/2007 6:59 PM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.13.37/1042 - Release Date: 10/1/2007 6:59 PM From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 2 04:09:58 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8C7763C068; Tue, 2 Oct 2007 04:09:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Qua Veda" To: Cc: "'Qua Veda'" References: <262371.40578.qm@web32715.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <002e01c80494$9804c720$0202a8c0@YOUR08D5303051> <000001c8049a$0562e0e0$1028a2a0$@com> In-Reply-To: Subject: RE: OT: Found sounds, contact mic recommendation Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2007 21:09:48 -0700 Message-ID: <000c01c804aa$132c4940$3984dbc0$@com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: AcgEn+gUo/boDLoES1uj7SzMmdVKhAAChkZA Content-Language: en-us X-RBL-Warning: REVDNS: This E-mail was sent from a MUA/MTA 206.212.233.27 with no reverse DNS entry. X-Declude-Sender: qua@oregon.com [206.212.233.27] X-Declude-Spoolname: Dc6b00ccf000098b5.smd X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude JunkMail (www.declude.com) for spam. X-Spam-Tests-Failed: Whitelisted [0] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/75114 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2007 04:09:58 +0000 (UTC) Thanks Bob, very interesting website! -Qua -----Original Message----- From: RP Collier [mailto:skeptikalist@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, October 01, 2007 7:41 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: Found sounds, contact mic recommendation On Oct 1, 2007, at 7:14 PM, Qua Veda wrote: > plus some piezo film ones on ebay that range from $25-$50. Here you can get the piezo film for $14, $9 and $2 : http://www.windworld.com/products/catalog.htm you need to scroll 3/4 of the way down the page. regards BobC http://tinyurl.com/yt8f8j http://www.youtube.com/tynego From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 2 05:44:52 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 37F2A3C056; Tue, 2 Oct 2007 05:44:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <007301c804b7$5d9018b0$6401a8c0@dayglogreen> From: "Rick Walker" To: "Veda, Qua" , "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" References: Subject: Re: Found sounds, contact mic recommendation Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2007 22:44:57 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/75115 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2007 05:44:52 +0000 (UTC) OT: Found sounds, contact mic recommendationDear Qua, you wrote "Any recommendations of what kind of mic could be used to do this (for micing found objects)?" "Wow, Qua, with your sensibility, I'm so sad that you can't make the looping festival this year. I can't wait to hear you play. You would really resonate with Chris Cohn's, Jon Hanes', Dark Muse's and Matt Davignon's and, most probably, my work in terms of found sound fun. Also, as far as I know, most if not all contact mics are piezo mics which means that you can build one yourself for under $8 at any radio shack (Tandy in the UK). Here's what you do in a nutshell. It doesnt take longer than 5-10 minutes. You buy a piezo buzzer. and carefully break off the black hard plastic casing (I use needle nose pliers) exposing the inner wafer. Then solder to leads to each of the leads coming off the wafer and attach them to a female 1/4" jack. Then you buy a container of Plasti Grip (which is liquid tool handle material that is in liquid form until you dip the piezo into it, hang it by a rubber band from a coathanger and let it dry into a rubbery solid. Whammo...................build three or four at a time and you have a little army of piezo mics that work well with everything. Any time you see pricey dot pickups on guitars they are almost always just silicon piezo pickups..............no different than what you can build yourself. Additionally, a lot of places will sell sets of red dot 'drum' pickups that are already premade. Here while back I split a set of 10 of these with a friend for a whopping $60 USD. I use them for all kinds of things........found objects, string instruments, frame drums, sexual vibrators anything that vibrates. You then can tape or velcro them onto the surfaces you want to resonate. A lot of times you can tape them to a container that amplifies that acoustically amplifies the sound you are trying to mic...........................like a very cool container can be made out of packing styrofoam, in fact a cheap styrofoam beer container is an excellent inexpensive resonater (as our various cardboard and wood boxes). You can tape the piezo element to the container itself so that the object can freely vibrate (which it can't if the piezo is directly applied to the resonating object. There is a fantastic book that my wife bought me called, 'Getting Bigger Sound' - Pickups and Microphones for your Musical Instruments' by Bart Hopkins. I highly recommend it. You can order it through my wife, Christine Wedertz at www.bookworksaptos.com if you are in the US and can't find it elsewhere. (and a little plug here: if you value continued artistry in literature, support independent booksellers like the Bookworks in Aptos because they are not telling the publishers who to publish and who not to publish like the biggees like Amazon.com and Borders) Lately, I'm really into putting contact microphones onto portable battery powered fans and neck massagers and dildoes and then getting them to feedback with my rad little Vox battery powered guitar amplifier that has built in effects in it (including a compressor and a compressor phaser combo that really lets me control the feedback with the tone and gain knobs on the Vox. You can get a symphony of noise out of this process and I"m just loving it......... recording the results with a microphone and then slicing and dicing at will with a million VST effects in Fruity Loops on my computer.. Good luck and keep posting the results. I hope you can make Y2K8 if we do it. yours, Rick From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 2 07:32:54 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 357E63C065; Tue, 2 Oct 2007 07:32:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; bh=yS2+XrIYFZeYp9hZpTS4BlkgfeJ3H4tgTTkVzZ9Uw4Q=; b=AfuZaHi0ZOYpFXTQS8qmweljOctArGMCG+NMRKS0jEaPv13umRbVDcsA1/JNjIgsNSJ6DeeOPdPOyP6ZKN+olj2GS+KIe4f2z95zvay7mTbPRh0iyIJjZxfH+0hBSNIUkR/1thrqFWTHlLOASh+RKgiuy337b8/FBq2f3swRCC8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=Y6cQyhNGw43IEXKnRAF5Uh0dhs6QNgkZGYMXHo4jXxe4JOnwf6WUsn+vI0Mjd8aNWE+fmHTgeTgCIGv/m5AfR/8KcDPwBL0VnUJkKyNFpNkxi1KuBimObbmA/xGCEeIKTNXU2IrLWSF0vRg2LczozNaJUvoLxIkFzKqt1HNnHac= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <004101c8046c$9726ca60$1001a8c0@succubus> References: <004101c8046c$9726ca60$1001a8c0@succubus> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: AW: Loop Survey - Summary - post scriptum to eben Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2007 09:32:48 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/75116 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2007 07:32:53 +0000 (UTC) Excuse this OT but what does "AW", in this letter's subject line, stand for? Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 2 07:41:58 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DB8433C069; Tue, 2 Oct 2007 07:41:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2007 09:41:56 +0200 (MEST) Message-Id: <200710020741.l927fuKO025680@post.webmailer.de> X-Authentication-Warning: sek.store: httpd set sender to rs@moinlabs.de using -f To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: rs@moinlabs.de Subject: Re: Music Tech-Recording Forum X-Priority: 3 X-Abuse: 512675 / 192.109.190.88 X-RZG-MBID: 0AP3TDtljfgdCQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-RZG-CLASS-ID: em07 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/75117 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2007 07:41:58 +0000 (UTC) > I'm wondering If anyone can't point me in the direction of a good =20 > Music Tech-Digital Recording Forum? for me, it's recording.org and the already-mentioned gearslutz.com. > Would it be appropriate to discuss recording software-technics- soft =20 > synths and the like on this forum? try it ;-) > For example, I'm never really happy with the way my bass tracks and =20 > drums lay in my recordings-compared to the pro recordings. I'm not a =20 > slouch and have pretty good ears and experience, yet it is still a =20 > mystery. This would require some more explanation from your side to give you a sugge= stion. What does it sound like (or not sound like) in your case? What would= you want it to sound like? What are your sound sources? Do you have that e= xperience (your tracks sounding "weaker" than pro recordings) on all listen= ing equipment, or only on some? etc.etc. Rainer From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 2 08:03:08 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9653C3C069; Tue, 2 Oct 2007 08:03:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-priority:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; bh=e33a09HAu30Moc1WJtBltG+OAp39jSQ9khVmtSp4U+Y=; b=oLU5g6aFOZMZvsF8fyIT7f4psulyrVYj6ZSEgCVITuWK3TvEdsX/Grv2Ehvv6Friov/eGRf/SXrFEfvgxqm+RZWczvkt2fOsdu2RFnAY99eHMBOAaDOMIYSwHLUdCQ38hlJEWa7cpy4p7EaItDdtZPQQbDGW+TExQMQbcUoJ4HI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-priority:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=oA6i0DdwTjTKVUq4ng2/4EnqYt7NyFf3IiXa328Rv32ke9gC5ikJ1ULtk1VeDI58PzTlYS++rG7q8HRB/VUI9Nn4gSgFyKwkPwyPuDaOBhGx2lp6nMGj1vfQ1rz3XBV3272AAEpW/mT+zIPFwmzGDTC3llwXRtD/rzsXtFDKLjY= In-Reply-To: References: <02df01c803f7$534782a0$6401a8c0@dayglogreen> <534F4974-D305-4D32-B88B-A90A2C3DA04B@mac.com> <835E17CE-7A26-4772-9526-C561A8CD00C1@gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <0BF3BE68-6C3C-4FE9-A532-47134DCD976A@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Music Tech-Recording Forum Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2007 10:03:01 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/75118 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2007 08:03:08 +0000 (UTC) On 2 okt 2007, at 03.50, Chuck Silva wrote: > I'm wondering If anyone can't point me in the direction of a good > Music Tech-Digital Recording Forum? http://community.sonikmatter.com Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 2 08:20:56 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3C8BE3C071; Tue, 2 Oct 2007 08:20:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2007 10:20:54 +0200 (MEST) Message-Id: <200710020820.l928KsIi020221@post.webmailer.de> X-Authentication-Warning: ket.store: httpd set sender to rs@moinlabs.de using -f To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: rs@moinlabs.de Subject: Re: Re: Found sounds, contact mic recommendation X-Priority: 3 X-Abuse: 512675 / 192.109.190.88 X-RZG-MBID: 0AP3TDtljfgdCQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-RZG-CLASS-ID: em07 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/75119 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2007 08:20:56 +0000 (UTC) [DIY contact mics] > You buy a piezo buzzer. > and carefully break off the black hard plastic casing (I use needle nose= =20 > pliers) exposing the inner wafer. > Then solder to leads to each of the leads coming off the wafer and attach= =20 > them to a female 1/4" jack. Piezos are rather high-ohmic, with the resistance being a complex function = of displacement. To make that work (especially with regard to minimize EMI = and have acceptable sound quality when driving slightly longer lines), incl= ude a transformer in your mike. One of those which are used for a DI or for= a high-impedance microphone - one side is fed by the microphone, the other= one goes out symmetrically to an XLR. To save you the DIY part here, get Behringer's DI20 (active 2-ch DI box for= around =8020), which you would obviously keep as close to the mic as possi= ble. There, I used the B-word again ;) Rainer From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 2 08:35:42 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9F5833C075; Tue, 2 Oct 2007 08:35:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 430 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Tue, 02 Oct 2007 08:35:42 UTC DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-priority:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; bh=Mgr0JeqYUAZxv8PoM32vwpIzAgT5EHO/4pQIv+/2bvw=; b=DRj7ou0lkqNiVL0EPGUcgV3K9C8MydFqjyhG1xJButkxM7J1sd87m3onFObFZDsIqUYg44jgCA1uoMKS0bpE0jq5ynX6hLHVdQUCUb/LJFzbTdxZv9/aVsbsO+/0Jp1Esf9CqMLhCPuECSYdS+oGNVfS0WOzfyhmZNM/yQgWwv0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-priority:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=m/lU8jlC9Oh2k0+AmYxZvLZxZZsE8fNH0Td5qGXCz0rrfAkBiXXANRZAfI3FNoK8s22f0QWFNxYVpMmG05KFeOGAAyn4+HL2dlZlQ7hiq60b8jc5D59m7RYA8287iiiSxGv+2LNfdarsQJEZySXJCmnhVkr8jEps3OkXdD6UgTc= In-Reply-To: <200710020741.l927fuKO025680@post.webmailer.de> References: <200710020741.l927fuKO025680@post.webmailer.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <20298EBC-05C3-4993-9662-251B18FA74B6@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Music Tech-Recording Forum Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2007 10:28:26 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/75120 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2007 08:35:42 +0000 (UTC) >> I'm never really happy with the way my bass tracks and >> drums lay in my recordings-compared to the pro recordings. I'm not a >> slouch and have pretty good ears and experience, yet it is still a >> mystery. It is impossible to carry out a recording if drums and bass both carry prominent sound in the same frequency band. A key technique in producing recordings is to filter out enough of an instrument's sound that otherwise would collide with sound made by another instrument at the same time. Another common technique is side-chaining. Usually this is used to duck the bass channel by the signal of the kick drum channel, resulting in the the level of the bass going down just a little bit whenever the kick hits. Think of this as "creating a pocket in the bass sound for the kick drum to fit in". This is heard on many disco songs and also useful in funk. Devices and plug-ins that can be used for side-chaning are noise gates and compressors. By poly rhythmic musical arrangement (as in modern dance music, reggae and traditional Brazilian music etc) this "clashing of low frequencies" can be avoided without the need for filtering or side chaining, as mentioned above. Generally think about the complete music as "layers of sound", each instrument representing a unique layer. If they sound at the same time they have to occupy different bands of the frequency spectrum. Traditional music on folk instruments tend to use instruments that naturally complement each other well. This is also true to the symphonic orchestra. Rock music, however, has a tradition of layering sound to create a "dense mass effect". The point is not only to make every instrument come through, as in dance and brazilian, but to create a greater summed impact "in sound" and not only "in music". My personal view is that it's not all bad with clashing frequencies in music. A lot of the music I like actually draws on overtone phenomena that occur when related sounds collide. But speaking about the bass frequencies in particular, as in this thread, there isn't really much headroom for "ghost notes" to appear. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 2 10:31:26 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CAB0F3C07B; Tue, 2 Oct 2007 10:31:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-SBRS: None X-SenderGroup: RELAYLIST X-MailFlowPolicy: $RELAYED X-MID: 677961081 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: OT: Found sounds, contact mic recommendation Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2007 11:31:18 +0100 Message-ID: <1BB076E4C332F9469148F41725F17A72056000B1@MTVNE-EXCLUST02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> In-Reply-To: <000001c8049a$0562e0e0$1028a2a0$@com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: OT: Found sounds, contact mic recommendation Thread-Index: AcgE314owXbfZGp3Q1OzL0tnL0goWQ== References: <000001c8049a$0562e0e0$1028a2a0$@com> From: "Goddard, Duncan" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Oct 2007 10:31:19.0409 (UTC) FILETIME=[5EC29E10:01C804DF] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/75121 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2007 10:31:26 +0000 (UTC) >>Roland makes a cheap contact mic for use with a tuner - not sure how well it would capture sounds.<< I bought something- not a roland- that was designed to allow the use of an electronic tuner with a violin. cost about $12 & had a slightly-too-short cable w/ 1/4" jack & a robust clip, which I had to take off because it pinched directly against the working surface of the microphone.=20 I bought it to use with a tiny kalimba, & it was very successful. the soundbox of the kalimba meant that the whole set-up could be used as a microphone too. this was in claremont, ca, in a shop that sells what my drummer calls "toys"..... :-) duncan. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 2 11:56:50 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3E6A93C07E; Tue, 2 Oct 2007 11:56:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <470233B0.7060106@post.cybercity.dk> Date: Tue, 02 Oct 2007 14:04:00 +0200 From: van Sinn Reply-To: vansinn@post.cybercity.dk Organization: van Sinn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Logic studio new version References: <781B9BE8-AB77-4A99-9553-D500B21EA98B@mac.com> <199835C1-24D3-46AD-8680-77A580059180@gmail.com> <1FA62BE1-128D-4A3D-8884-6BBB57E342BB@finleysound.com> <14C68D1D-C040-44F2-81B4-3FE789C3A571@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/75122 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2007 11:56:50 +0000 (UTC) Per Boysen wrote: >> On Sep 30, 2007, at 2:53 PM, Per Boysen wrote: >> >>> MainStage has a MIDI Through function. If you enable it every MIDI >>> Program Change event sent into MainStage will also be passed out the >>> MIDI Out port. If you have hardware effect processors there they >>> will of course change patches according to how you have programmed >>> them to. > > > On 1 okt 2007, at 01.59, Matthew F. McCabe wrote: > >> So, it's really just a pass through like using the MIDI Thru jack, >> right? If I understand correctly, MainStage cannot generate its own >> MIDI Out messages as part of its own internal preset hierarchy. > > > Yes, that's correct. I wonder if it's possible to write a plugin that Logic sees as a mere pluging receiving MIDI commands, but will be configurable/capable of sending out MIDI via the MIDI layer. Been away from programming too long to do it myself, though.. -- rgds, van Sinn From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 2 12:03:55 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A005C3C087; Tue, 2 Oct 2007 12:03:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4702355C.1090806@post.cybercity.dk> Date: Tue, 02 Oct 2007 14:11:08 +0200 From: van Sinn Reply-To: vansinn@post.cybercity.dk Organization: van Sinn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Logic studio new version References: <781B9BE8-AB77-4A99-9553-D500B21EA98B@mac.com> <199835C1-24D3-46AD-8680-77A580059180@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <199835C1-24D3-46AD-8680-77A580059180@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <8jAtn.A.UxF.rOjAHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/75123 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2007 12:03:55 +0000 (UTC) Per Boysen wrote: > ... Audio tails from the recent patch is kept sounding while > you're loading a new patch. MainStage makes a very good "virtual > electric guitar amp + effect rack" . If available in MainStage, how would you describe it's pitch transposing and harmonizing capabilities and quality compared to an Eventide Harmonizer and a Digitec TSR-24S (dual S-DISH)? - I'm using the TSR, don't have an Eventide; just for comparison.. -- rgds, van Sinn From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 2 13:18:11 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D664D3C045; Tue, 2 Oct 2007 13:18:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 603 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Tue, 02 Oct 2007 13:18:11 UTC X-Trace: 629640746-mk-filter-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com-B2C-$THROTTLED-DYNAMIC-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 79.66.197.240 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Aq4HAFPfAUdPQsXw/2dsb2JhbACCKKQD Message-ID: <470242B4.1030000@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Tue, 02 Oct 2007 14:08:04 +0100 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Music Tech-Recording Forum References: <02df01c803f7$534782a0$6401a8c0@dayglogreen> <534F4974-D305-4D32-B88B-A90A2C3DA04B@mac.com> <835E17CE-7A26-4772-9526-C561A8CD00C1@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/75124 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2007 13:18:11 +0000 (UTC) Chuck Silva wrote: >> Thank you Per Boyson for your kind suggestion regarding off topic >> discussions...... > > Would it be appropriate to discuss recording software-technics- soft > synths and the like on this forum? you're free to discuss anything you want, ..but then any list member is free to ask you not too seems to work :-) > > For example, I'm never really happy with the way my bass tracks and > drums lay in my recordings-compared to the pro recordings. I'm not a > slouch and have pretty good ears and experience, yet it is still a mystery. > > I'm hoping this relates to this forum. loops are an intregal part of my > (and most everyones I'd think) recordings. well, there's certainly folk on this list who would gladly answer that sort of question. Putting OT (off topic) in the subject is a popular way to indicate that the post is not directly loop related. > > Is this forum for 'live loopers' only? as far as I know it's intended for any loop based music. > > Any suggestions out there? for the bass/drum question you asked 1) see other posts :-) 2) listen to just the kick drum and the bass together, keep messing around till they work together and then bring in the rest of the drums. Get that right, then bring in the other instruments. 3) Do you really want it to sound like a commercial recording? (i wouldn't :-) > > Peace. > > Chuck Silva > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 2 13:43:48 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 772DD3C082; Tue, 2 Oct 2007 13:43:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 401 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Tue, 02 Oct 2007 13:43:47 UTC DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=rogers.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=bKRrDDsKmohDUhADcuMjF9OEjsqmsOui5QZu3YyuBcitwrSjVSBdyFStbRMhCkYmh3SPbclpBKPHh9BTWQzh/edP7KKbqQUZZPoF69eIqKZY8fIDBo0GitDi4IqabOjWTw9z/lXpTxR5D6+3DN4ugKPLFV+J+VyH9AD0OUdybKU=; X-YMail-OSG: BsTXxJQVM1nxb9cd7P_CiPL5IPJBEevEd9tog0o7Vx07VTRLt1KKF3kMGZ6ZMeIy8teL6gEXD8JJ7eCtEWRT7OKm3LDGCcBFSFdCZjMI3jm3fg-- Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2007 09:37:05 -0400 (EDT) From: JASON CASKENTTE Subject: Canadian loopers To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-790318245-1191332225=:84389" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <936853.84389.qm@web88301.mail.re4.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: <9JoFJD.A.vo.TskAHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/75125 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2007 13:43:48 +0000 (UTC) --0-790318245-1191332225=:84389 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Out of the four Canadians that responded to the loop survey are any of you from southern Ontario? because I too am from Canada and wouldn't mind hooking something up. 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Out of the four Canadians that responded to the loop survey are any of you from southern Ontario? because I too am from Canada and wouldn't mind hooking something up.
 
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See what's=20= new at http://www.aol.com --part1_c1c.1fcd9f1e.3433aa33_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 2 14:24:04 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2CE653C08C; Tue, 2 Oct 2007 14:24:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 401 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Tue, 02 Oct 2007 14:24:03 UTC Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Date: Tue, 02 Oct 2007 16:17:21 +0200 From: "Buzap Buzap" In-Reply-To: <0C389FB1-92DE-41BB-B9EB-42F6CB2E5617@blueyonder.co.uk> Message-ID: <20071002141721.297080@gmx.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <764C57BA-09C3-42C5-B20E-E15F1A6BB271@blueyonder.co.uk> <0C389FB1-92DE-41BB-B9EB-42F6CB2E5617@blueyonder.co.uk> Subject: Re: Acoustic Piano Looping To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Authenticated: #33233833 X-Flags: 0001 X-Mailer: WWW-Mail 6100 (Global Message Exchange) X-Priority: 3 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX18+3IAKRMg+kHqzwuyylT7xKdMlcaDhnVD5JgZI/+ FZ5Thy8tYFtcKF1Vro2IN2SXrVCaFT9CQSlg== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-GMX-UID: phZIAEQTa2AoW80tzHUylwA6OWhhakeQ Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/75127 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2007 14:24:04 +0000 (UTC) Hi actually, when you run a piano through a PA for looping, you might as well settle down with a stage piano. I'm using it quite often, and recently also with effects. The results are very good. Personally, when I do recording for myself with piano, I really prefer my stage piano (which has good samples). I don't think I'd be able to come up with an acoustic mic setup, that would achieve the same or better result. Check out the pianist from E.S.T. They are playing jazz. I saw them live and the pianist (Esbjörn?) is using effects with mics on a grand piano in a live setting successfully. Best regards Buzap -- Psssst! Schon vom neuen GMX MultiMessenger gehört? Der kanns mit allen: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/multimessenger From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 2 14:31:23 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A09AF3C089; Tue, 2 Oct 2007 14:31:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 02 Oct 2007 16:31:20 +0200 From: "Buzap Buzap" In-Reply-To: <014301c7fb8c$bed1c440$4cc8f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Message-ID: <20071002143120.297120@gmx.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <00ac01c7fb62$8e34a4d0$6402a8c0@PC576340162804> <014301c7fb8c$bed1c440$4cc8f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Subject: Re: kazoo looping :-) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Authenticated: #33233833 X-Flags: 0001 X-Mailer: WWW-Mail 6100 (Global Message Exchange) X-Priority: 3 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX19UfDwZdz1UrB6aEQMA8LzbXqc8K2FWmgIAArErwZ EJjG2W8EYqQnJ5YowNE9NsYxMMqspYL/c9NA== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-GMX-UID: cBBkLXgCaHItXNNJ3SQlvFViamdhZIRP Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/75128 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2007 14:31:23 +0000 (UTC) I think Kazoo is (much like the harmonica) a most undervalued instrument. Unfortunately, people look at it more as a joke. I'm using it a lot with or without effects/looping. Based on your vocal abilities, you can do the most amazing things with a kazoo. The only risk & temptation is really ruining your vocal cords... best regards Buzap -- Ist Ihr Browser Vista-kompatibel? Jetzt die neuesten Browser-Versionen downloaden: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/browser From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 2 14:49:24 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 328693C097; Tue, 2 Oct 2007 14:49:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.21,220,1188792000"; d="scan'208";a="58396789" X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Ao8CAAD3AUdKiMLs/2dsb2JhbAA X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.21,220,1188792000"; d="scan'208";a="136653375" Message-ID: <000a01c80503$7064bcb0$ecc2884a@preferre4ca07a> From: "Mark Smart" To: References: <00ac01c7fb62$8e34a4d0$6402a8c0@PC576340162804> <014301c7fb8c$bed1c440$4cc8f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <20071002143120.297120@gmx.net> Subject: Re: kazoo looping :-) Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2007 09:49:30 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: <5FAi3.A.3GD.zplAHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/75129 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2007 14:49:24 +0000 (UTC) I always liked the overdubbed four-part kazoo harmony on Queen's "A Night At The Opera". Mark Smart http://www.marksmart.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 2 17:39:10 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5DD823C076; Tue, 2 Oct 2007 17:39:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: EH SMM w/ Hazari Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2007 19:39:30 +0200 Organization: Moinlabs Message-ID: <000001c8051b$2fca6bb0$1001a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: AcgFGy+Wpf7uEML1TECX3Atn9SOBBA== X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-RZG-AUTH: lUESeo99iNzPL8kuBgLYdKEqUywq9cxqeRA+BtFcSCD10+29g0lzj2YkJss= X-RZG-CLASS-ID: mo07 Resent-Message-ID: <7_fJbC.A.wjC.-IoAHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/75130 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2007 17:39:10 +0000 (UTC) Anyone heard anything more about this one? http://www.ehx.com/ehx2/Default.asp?q=f&f=%2FCatalog%2F001%5FXO%5FLine%2F50% 5FStereo%5FMemory%5FMan%5Fwith%5FHazarai Opinions? Rainer From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 2 18:53:07 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 87E8B3C08F; Tue, 2 Oct 2007 18:53:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 61187 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Tue, 02 Oct 2007 18:53:07 UTC Message-ID: <50808.69.59.203.72.1191289999.squirrel@webmail.peak.org> In-Reply-To: References: <02df01c803f7$534782a0$6401a8c0@dayglogreen> <534F4974-D305-4D32-B88B-A90A2C3DA04B@mac.com> <835E17CE-7A26-4772-9526-C561A8CD00C1@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2007 18:53:19 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: Music Tech-Recording Forum From: improv@peak.org To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Spam-Score: 1.116 (*) NO_REAL_NAME,PRIORITY_NO_NAME X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.39 Resent-Message-ID: <6RmmcB.A.jlF.TOpAHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/75131 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2007 18:53:07 +0000 (UTC) I'm a big fan of the Tape Op messageboard, messageboard.tapeop.com >> Thank you Per Boyson for your kind suggestion regarding off topic >> discussions...... > > I'm wondering If anyone can't point me in the direction of a good > Music Tech-Digital Recording Forum? > > Would it be appropriate to discuss recording software-technics- soft > synths and the like on this forum? > > For example, I'm never really happy with the way my bass tracks and > drums lay in my recordings-compared to the pro recordings. I'm not a > slouch and have pretty good ears and experience, yet it is still a > mystery. > > I'm hoping this relates to this forum. loops are an intregal part of > my (and most everyones I'd think) recordings. > > Is this forum for 'live loopers' only? > > Any suggestions out there? > > Peace. > > Chuck Silva > > > > > >> Send it to the off topic list at >> http://groups.google.com/group/loopers-delight-off-topic >> Doing so won't clog up the looping list digest and only those >> subscribed to the off topic list will get it. >> >> >> >> >> >> > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 2 19:21:32 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C77FE3C08D; Tue, 2 Oct 2007 19:21:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 1481 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Tue, 02 Oct 2007 19:21:32 UTC DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=XzN94co3jJJMVbuWTSireHqCCeRYHQFf7QrFFQJp5bk=; b=rjp0g4H+oigcUTRztk2XePsRt18datPWJhU1bKUbN4FrayW8JSDeGPBXj2lXcPgpg2RdgKqtyBZYzlvMb2tmzt0BVCGqHKPskwMfZUjb90nUavICxacnmjPwRxYgprNHR3ONn9gOGzCH82Ak6eC+BejUsRcTyj0lxyOuscEAHbg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=PW03lSL6hgaZS592obqozkzNpkmVI773utn/rFJLDnRa0pGenZAYe/ghmaTq7HoqFy+QNnZVCKPTk1z6JXg1ZM/8NnvzDey/cCtI2pX6ikHpv1ApP4YlWgHQPvaMRZe4qF6u9xb534oZZ7j6AA/5Me1cItkr/nnxK3Ue38NL94A= Message-ID: Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2007 11:56:48 -0700 From: "Matt Davignon" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: AW: Loop Survey - Summary - post scriptum to eben In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <004101c8046c$9726ca60$1001a8c0@succubus> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/75132 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2007 19:21:32 +0000 (UTC) I always thought it meant that there was a puppy nearby. Per Boysen went: > Excuse this OT but what does "AW", in this letter's subject line, > stand for? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 2 19:54:49 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 487983C095; Tue, 2 Oct 2007 19:54:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 399 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Tue, 02 Oct 2007 19:54:48 UTC DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=WaK/SP152aaMciM9uA0Tw7/1X7CxDtK9AQ9fkU4JeaISMDtldTo4R0iM1zaBz8PH9aJkoHuftUQtTncmVDhin/1g2eWAKORDrEByAj0TBA5RrbUwv/reddZd3to3GpKqp8BcfAoa4HKjoVurlvw51q4QF9wPkF1KmJuC30h5fos=; X-YMail-OSG: a_kHcTYVM1k7E8EHnoNl3rEhPTKX8jaRHHYBor9yI02mk5IsDcAPVHrS0gY8ewvZS7azfQZ1vjZrDmzSn.C1MtUGRO_PPxCiOHWMPrLWeMKtaXqbBu_cPRGvD4h3XA-- Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2007 12:48:06 -0700 (PDT) From: Brian Kupferschmid Subject: Re: EH SMM w/ Hazari To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <000001c8051b$2fca6bb0$1001a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <390649.69058.qm@web34313.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: <11JndD.A.Fx.IIqAHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/75133 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2007 19:54:49 +0000 (UTC) I can't wait to actually see one in person, and try it out, I'm a big fan of EH stuff, especially the newer stuff, but man, that stuff is expensive when you don't have much money to play with. What i'm curious to find out is, what the hell is Hazari? --- Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill wrote: > Anyone heard anything more about this one? > http://www.ehx.com/ehx2/Default.asp?q=f&f=%2FCatalog%2F001%5FXO%5FLine%2F50% > 5FStereo%5FMemory%5FMan%5Fwith%5FHazarai > > Opinions? > > Rainer > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Catch up on fall's hot new shows on Yahoo! TV. Watch previews, get listings, and more! http://tv.yahoo.com/collections/3658 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 2 20:45:19 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 00E7A3C079; Tue, 2 Oct 2007 20:45:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 1805 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Tue, 02 Oct 2007 20:45:18 UTC Date: Tue, 02 Oct 2007 16:14:02 -0400 From: Warren Sirota Subject: RE: EH SMM w/ Hazari In-reply-to: <390649.69058.qm@web34313.mail.mud.yahoo.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <00c701c80530$c71943f0$4b02a8c0@warren5d67d038> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Thread-index: AcgFLighQ9aPaR0mQPKc7rIY3vJ0UQAAbV+Q Resent-Message-ID: <01l4P.A.NgD.e3qAHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/75134 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2007 20:45:18 +0000 (UTC) This is funny. Hazari (hah - zahr - EYE) is a Yiddish term that loosely translates (I don't know the literal) to "a bunch of crap" or garbage, but meant in an affectionate way (Yiddish is tough to explain) - I guess it's more like "with all the various nonsense you wackos want" in this instance, or like the Southern "with all the trimmin's" (but with a little more irony). I never thought anyone would have the chutzpah to use that in a product name! > -----Original Message----- > From: Brian Kupferschmid [mailto:apparitionapparition@yahoo.com] > Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2007 3:48 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: EH SMM w/ Hazari > > I can't wait to actually see one in person, and try it > out, I'm a big fan of EH stuff, especially the newer > stuff, but man, that stuff is expensive when you don't > have much money to play with. What i'm curious to > find out is, what the hell is Hazari? > --- Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill > wrote: > > > Anyone heard anything more about this one? > > > http://www.ehx.com/ehx2/Default.asp?q=f&f=%2FCatalog%2F001%5FXO%5FLine%2F5 > 0% > > 5FStereo%5FMemory%5FMan%5Fwith%5FHazarai > > > > Opinions? > > > > Rainer > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________________________________ > __________ > Catch up on fall's hot new shows on Yahoo! TV. Watch previews, get > listings, and more! > http://tv.yahoo.com/collections/3658 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 2 21:07:05 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8B8EC3C092; Tue, 2 Oct 2007 21:07:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <524B9384-037E-4B02-A23C-9A5663A9438C@mac.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Paul Mimlitsch Subject: new music posted Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2007 15:08:35 -0600 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/75135 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2007 21:07:05 +0000 (UTC) Greetings. Uploaded some new recordings to my website << http:// web.mac.com/pmimlitsch >>. "terrains" and "screech" are from a recent art opening/ reception (Zen Calligrapher Alok Hsu Kwang-han) I provided sonic wallpaper for. "droplets" and "droplets3" started as concept based improvs. ie: recording a series of succesive 9ths. on loop 1 with a series of succesive of 6ths. running parallel (unsynced/ different lengths) on loop 2. and then adding/ playing off of how they interact. "kg2" is a kalimba/ guitar loop improv. and "settling in" is a duo improv. w/ flautist Meg York recorded at a house concert. Thanks for listening. - Paul << http://web.mac.com/pmimlitsch >> From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 2 22:33:23 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DDEBE3C080; Tue, 2 Oct 2007 22:33:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 428 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Tue, 02 Oct 2007 22:33:23 UTC DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=Nh0UeOEkq1q4lTioz4F9xByBMBznuwr4OBPeh/G0c5o=; b=icLZze8IKD88Z7xTFaz3vwUyH1lx1DWkOC+EYND0CGBsVAbhy+s2D1r3dZUwWow8fYfjolLWk7jQvTp7aUOvnk9WScbetkIeYQ+quPeGasS7otu6dDrkw5Vwya/lWbjJhGH9tUJXyCYGzT/b+NURX+hsr0cnskUKEBI/BkMfh90= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=QdB7CQpcYgbyI8JsFFqHVLBd8uArdQkH9LV2STTmQNwun0t4EOqUa7PKolF3hWOhNNFqP2ltmP9yZ/klsd8eQtdcV+K1mnrLxfmWoFEsODEpvmuE+DL1WRYhrCVoziMfwzbdb5PrP6pnZbZL3wZCrYha7TT9QHbtPoUfTtEohRQ= Message-ID: Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2007 18:26:13 -0400 From: "radio radio" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Loop Survey - Summary - post scriptum to eben In-Reply-To: <004101c8046c$9726ca60$1001a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <004101c8046c$9726ca60$1001a8c0@succubus> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/75136 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2007 22:33:23 +0000 (UTC) Hmmm...you're right, I certainly don't want to enter the raw data manually (but thanks for the offer). For future reference, I used QuestionPro as a survey site in the past and was able to download the raw data for free under some 1-time only student trial version. I don't remember if it was a hassle to sign up for the student version or not, but beware - if you use them they'll send you emails for years. I'm not certain I understand your question about years of looping experience, although you may be asking why there are more people in the middle amount of years and less on the extremes, which is how almost all data looks when you take a survey (there is an average with most people in the middle, and less people are further away from average). This would be the same as if you asked people how tall they are, but I'm not sure this is what you are talking about anyway. I did take a look at the data from the 2005 survey since it has raw data. Unfortunately, there is no easy way to look at looping devices any differently because of the way it is set up (perhaps a hundred or so variables, and I think it would be problematic to combine them, let alone take a while). Besides, the analysis you did was plenty good enough for that. I was able to look at a couple of things though that I found fairly interesting and isn't covered by the good work you already did: I think most interesting is that the respondents from Looper's Delight are definitely older than the responders from Harmony Central. We can't be sure exactly how much older, since the question was a range of ages (e.g., 35 - 40, 41 - 50, etc.), and the ranges were not all equal, but if we pretend that the middle of those ranges represents the people in that range well, which it may or may not, then the Looper's Delight respondents were on average 10 years older. It is very unlikely that this estimate is very accurate, the real number could be significantly higher or lower, but the probability of finding this age difference randomly is something like 2 in a ten million, which again is misleading because of the age ranges, but still is a number that doesn't turn up that often in survey research like this. So we can be pretty certain that the Looper's Delight crowd is older, and to a large extent is does look like the whole age curve really is higher, and not better explained by just a ton of infants in HC or a ton of geriatrics in LD. We don't know if this is a dead on accurate representation of EVERYONE on this mailing list (in 2005), or everyone on Harmony Central, but now that you think about it, doesn't it seem like there are a lot of reviews on Harmony Central written by some 12 year old who just got a guitar for Christmas? This data would support that. Similarly, and supporting this age difference, is that Looper's Delight respondents definitely have more years of looping experience, averaging roughly 9 years for LP to 4 for HC, so more than double the years of experience on average. This also has a VERY low probability of being a random finding. This number is also much more reliable than the age one because years of looping experience was not answered in a range. LP also has a larger proportion of Western Europeans (and lower from USA) than does HC. The numbers on this would be misleading, but we can be fairly confident then that the Looper's Delight community (in 2005, of those who respond to surveys) is generally more international, a bit older, and more experienced. There could be many more caveats due to the methods, but no more than in most or all survey research, so I feel pretty good about these interpretations. Eben On 10/1/07, Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill wrote: > btw, there's one analysis you could do even without having the raw data: > > with the data you already have from my published info regarding looping > experiences in the bins, could you do an analaysis how many people per year > have been coming in during the last 25 years to give us this results. > Obviously, this is an under-determined set of equations, but what is it? > Obviously, only a few people in the first years, then two peaks in the > middle and since a decline? > > Rainer > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 2 22:34:51 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CC6643C061; Tue, 2 Oct 2007 22:34:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=hCKK8O5pad88drt9KBPvgpnVLPReqwhMRr+/zbTISIY=; b=i7Bq2FmPxQUszu1TqQRItw62t1noBmy0GGYAsvUX2rP+l23NsBS4ExaeitpOhIWiXbFjpXlSCv97asDOIrhp8oXFTqZO73X/aY78hT0Fd9Wwx6xwPVgt5bUDHqj6QKxusY9w8v3oRGoKYBRTwSMlxCGoqz4Ki6f4cjIbAXSTXaI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=Zs24xavOAMwppcbsOcgOEABNrq76hgtuO7kHyIuB6JorlCV1L+2rZL6XCNxdQ/7Yx5NZBWBbPT77g+nlx2PfklCGyObas3WY2d1I5hrSb2mLZTJoZLyKQO+7GH6mGtyhlrZ7JOejMLeff8lAppLikNjdLizqu5GZ07MFN/vTboE= Message-ID: Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2007 18:34:48 -0400 From: "radio radio" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Canadian loopers In-Reply-To: <936853.84389.qm@web88301.mail.re4.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <936853.84389.qm@web88301.mail.re4.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: <-YqJ1B.A.WdB.LesAHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/75137 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2007 22:34:51 +0000 (UTC) How far South? I'm in Buffalo, New York . . . Eben On 10/2/07, JASON CASKENTTE wrote: > Out of the four Canadians that responded to the loop survey are any of you > from southern Ontario? because I too am from Canada and wouldn't mind > hooking something up. > > Jason > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 2 22:59:48 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D24E63C09D; Tue, 2 Oct 2007 22:59:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=PggdIfxRmec7Ojb9GqzSsroU5UMIVdX8LAuYvYZBh2UIVGEqR3LzyQBJVOFM0xm8Bt29hAgzWa8olJvqn2tMlzIu4WAbn4y7LHPPAmH6lyeeBxPuOMAMbcbBFZmAkLpoSthCBcE6tRr2zu7yj/Td55wsgnv/9xuXPnlPIllbVp0=; X-YMail-OSG: o..MWesVM1kpw2ExKvoKdhGTPOTzKh5Jo..JYcfV0MojcFaMahavCgYveAVWxXtrXZbiHPN1K8Oba9KK15VZEPXdm59wc3el7_L2usoclT4BEC6lAiGLW1ay_2RaYA-- Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2007 15:59:46 -0700 (PDT) From: bill bigrig Subject: Re: OT: Found sounds, contact mic recommendation To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <002e01c80494$9804c720$0202a8c0@YOUR08D5303051> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <789303.96167.qm@web32711.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/75138 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2007 22:59:48 +0000 (UTC) Howdy, Yes, I don't see why not. I'm especially intrigued by the 3rd wire which the 273-064 also had. Could it be the same transducer? Justunsolder the evtra lead and wire as usual. On the rat-shack peizo it was blue. If this one is, I'm going to buy some more. Even though I'm sitting on about 20of them. Thanx. Rig --- Jeff Duke wrote: > Would this be a good substitute? > http://www.allspectrum.com/store/product_info.php?products_id=453 > > Jeff > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "bill bigrig" > To: > Sent: Monday, October 01, 2007 7:58 PM > Subject: Re: OT: Found sounds, contact mic > recommendation > > > > Howdy, > > > > I have been making contact mics for YEARS with the > > rat-shack 27-064. Too bad they no longer sell > them. I > > guess it's allelectronics from here out. > > Rig > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Boardwalk for $500? In 2007? Ha! Play Monopoly Here and Now (it's updated for today's economy) at Yahoo! Games. http://get.games.yahoo.com/proddesc?gamekey=monopolyherenow From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 2 22:59:49 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 455113C0AB; Tue, 2 Oct 2007 22:59:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=VjzEwbrI9dQPa66VWdwv8VKNuzcDJfLA17wHM/P5oL/Xyvx/7dDGdwpk4achEL7eC2ZY+m2+yWoe3BWRbSjSk7lCfrewcDh4nClMVQWmkHeLarhJ4YxcCmk8EeUUJN5fJn0gGCvpEb02gfYRN3nxuRv3jwuLRfFuCaWj022djxc=; X-YMail-OSG: jDYwFR4VM1mYpsjAfyJACoBVftx1YtODK0yOFUWmsAmbd58zZPWkx5.BQSrirxFAjw-- Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2007 15:59:46 -0700 (PDT) From: bill bigrig Subject: Re: OT: Found sounds, contact mic recommendation To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <002e01c80494$9804c720$0202a8c0@YOUR08D5303051> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <188486.38631.qm@web32710.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/75139 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2007 22:59:49 +0000 (UTC) Howdy, Yes, I don't see why not. I'm especially intrigued by the 3rd wire which the 273-064 also had. Could it be the same transducer? Justunsolder the evtra lead and wire as usual. On the rat-shack peizo it was blue. If this one is, I'm going to buy some more. Even though I'm sitting on about 20of them. Thanx. Rig --- Jeff Duke wrote: > Would this be a good substitute? > http://www.allspectrum.com/store/product_info.php?products_id=453 > > Jeff > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "bill bigrig" > To: > Sent: Monday, October 01, 2007 7:58 PM > Subject: Re: OT: Found sounds, contact mic > recommendation > > > > Howdy, > > > > I have been making contact mics for YEARS with the > > rat-shack 27-064. Too bad they no longer sell > them. I > > guess it's allelectronics from here out. > > Rig > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better Globetrotter. Get better travel answers from someone who knows. Yahoo! Answers - Check it out. http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=list&sid=396545469 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 2 23:09:53 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A37273C0A9; Tue, 2 Oct 2007 23:09:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 88166 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Tue, 02 Oct 2007 23:09:53 UTC DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=eEjSXLYRQpm9zmAAMZYHEmNqmc63/4B0F1jdLUw2CP4=; b=nRxzluLeKXzCUxte5BbzUvTSjA9Yed1D+EoLDy9OIJyr0Dx40PjCQAvhZh+HT+8Uvj5RoD60s/vTa287RsvYydqvNiD8ZkOmI+ewQDNhBMc39+/N52wXKHdPgJC73HuVbwTkU2LS4JATBV3VfrWFZ/OAmAVE8dlJzdF7+ngyloA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=YKLvh9+igwTWrfHeamaqFSh8vPFguLKPQSkz5v38vPkuYtg96pXo/KOdknal33bmd50or/YMSEigUun+fi/SPxvVrOuvFn8Mn4k/HLEU+6nPgousuv+EUQq6nBVgzTpiV4/y+fsj1tnjvWugOuYmpUJCUV8dNEq4bDSRktDl/kM= Message-ID: Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2007 18:09:52 -0500 From: "Doug Cox" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Loop Survey - Summary - post scriptum to eben In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_19862_21375711.1191366592329" References: <004101c8046c$9726ca60$1001a8c0@succubus> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/75140 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2007 23:09:53 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_19862_21375711.1191366592329 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Just to be clear - I'm the fool who did the 2005 data analysis :) Don't blame that one on Ranier. >From my empirical experience (ie, I've been on both LD and HC for quite a while), I can fairly confidently assure you that the people at HC (in general, and those involved in looping) are much younger than the typical LD member. This is borne out not only in the data, but in the ummmm... content of the conversation?... at HC. I've also found that very few people at HC explore looping beyond either the static-single-loop paradigm, or the record-some-chords-and-solo-over-them paradigm. When they get interested in more complex looping concepts, they end up over here. I'm not knocking Harmony Central, btw. Great bunch of enthusiastic guys. Just helping to confirm the data with my perspective. Doug ------=_Part_19862_21375711.1191366592329 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Just to be clear - I'm the fool who did the 2005 data analysis :)  Don't blame that one on Ranier.

From my empirical experience (ie, I've been on both LD and HC for quite a while), I can fairly confidently assure you that the people at HC (in general, and those involved in looping) are much younger than the typical LD member.  This is borne out not only in the data, but in the ummmm... content of the conversation?... at HC. 

I've also found that very few people at HC explore looping beyond either the static-single-loop paradigm, or the record-some-chords-and-solo-over-them paradigm.  When they get interested in more complex looping concepts, they end up over here.

I'm not knocking Harmony Central, btw.  Great bunch of enthusiastic guys.  Just helping to confirm the data with my perspective.

Doug
------=_Part_19862_21375711.1191366592329-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 2 23:27:47 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4C76F3C0A8; Tue, 2 Oct 2007 23:27:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X_CMAE_Category: 0,0 Undefined,Undefined X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=jivzqyGWAAAA:8 a=CjxXgO3LAAAA:8 a=M1qEMswS-OLFJfol2ZEA:9 a=_dcCq8mqt5Z8J2dj8yUA:7 a=P5HRgdnlNhVoTXAn2Djd7uE1jWkA:4 a=rC2wZJ5BpNYA:10 a=br5QjLurtgQA:10 a=cvn8laQl214A:10 a=zxxVM3CWV3sA:10 X-CM-Score: 0 X-Scanned-by: Cloudmark Authority Engine Authentication-Results: smtp07.embarq.synacor.com smtp.mail=echohead@embarqmail.com; spf=neutral Authentication-Results: smtp07.embarq.synacor.com smtp.user=echohead@embarqmail.com; auth=pass (LOGIN) Received-SPF: neutral (smtp07.embarq.synacor.com: 71.48.241.17 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of embarqmail.com) Message-ID: <002f01c8054b$d5c988e0$0202a8c0@YOUR08D5303051> From: "Jeff Duke" To: References: <188486.38631.qm@web32710.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: OT: Found sounds, contact mic recommendation Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2007 19:27:43 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/75141 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2007 23:27:47 +0000 (UTC) Look closely at the pic enlarged. Are there 2 wires or 3 or 4, I think that the others are shadows. I am old and my eyes may be playing tricks....lol Jeff ----- Original Message ----- From: "bill bigrig" To: Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2007 6:59 PM Subject: Re: OT: Found sounds, contact mic recommendation > Howdy, > > Yes, I don't see why not. I'm especially intrigued by > the 3rd wire which the 273-064 also had. Could it be > the same transducer? Justunsolder the evtra lead and > wire as usual. On the rat-shack peizo it was blue. If > this one is, I'm going to buy some more. Even though > I'm sitting on about 20of them. Thanx. > Rig > > > --- Jeff Duke wrote: > >> Would this be a good substitute? >> > http://www.allspectrum.com/store/product_info.php?products_id=453 >> >> Jeff >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "bill bigrig" >> To: >> Sent: Monday, October 01, 2007 7:58 PM >> Subject: Re: OT: Found sounds, contact mic >> recommendation >> >> >> > Howdy, >> > >> > I have been making contact mics for YEARS with the >> > rat-shack 27-064. Too bad they no longer sell >> them. I >> > guess it's allelectronics from here out. >> > Rig >> > >> >> > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > Be a better Globetrotter. Get better travel answers from someone who > knows. Yahoo! Answers - Check it out. > http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=list&sid=396545469 > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.13.35/1040 - Release Date: > 9/30/2007 9:01 PM > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 2 23:41:35 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 02A553C0AD; Tue, 2 Oct 2007 23:41:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 301 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Tue, 02 Oct 2007 23:41:34 UTC Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <697F55FB-9A99-498C-8632-9E022E6448CD@zoekeating.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: info at zoekeating Subject: little boxes (was survey) Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2007 16:36:31 -0700 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/75142 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2007 23:41:34 +0000 (UTC) wot i mean is...i would think that people will choose their software tools based on what is available for their OS. so their choice in the survey might not say that much about their preferred looping 'school'. i mean, i would think that when someone needs any kind of tool...a strobe tuner, a midi keyboard, a media player....they would google what is out there for their OS. but that would be an interesting survey question! "would you install and run a different OS on your computer in order to use a particular software looper?" yes Live and Mobius are obviously different - one is more 'sampler' and one is more 'old skool EDP-esque'. (and i find the 'sampler-only' qualities of Live to be annoying). but to overcome the 'sampler' limitations a user might look around for what additional tools to use, in combination with Live, in order to accomplish EDP-esque looping (software plugin like Augustus or SooperLooper, or add an external hardware looper into an input channel). by the way, i couldn't figure out how to make my looping setup fit into the survey. - using a software looper to control a hardware looper. the audio is recorded onto a hardware-looping device but all the controls are sent from the software looper. is that a hardware or software preference? i'd love to know if anyone else does this. both electrix and bill walker have told me i might be the only one but i don't believe that at all. i want my sub-group dammit! 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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 3 01:19:50 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 14EDE3C0A3; Wed, 3 Oct 2007 01:19:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <697F55FB-9A99-498C-8632-9E022E6448CD@zoekeating.com> References: <697F55FB-9A99-498C-8632-9E022E6448CD@zoekeating.com> Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2007 20:19:25 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Mech Subject: Re: little boxes (was survey) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <0225DD.A.c7B.14uAHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/75143 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2007 01:19:50 +0000 (UTC) At 4:36 PM -0700 10/2/07, info at zoekeating wrote: > >- using a software looper to control a hardware looper. the audio is >recorded onto a hardware-looping device but all the controls are >sent from the software looper.... > >i'd love to know if anyone else does this. both electrix and bill >walker have told me i might be the only one but i don't believe that >at all. >i want my sub-group dammit! I'd actually be surprised to find out that you were alone in using that configuration. While not so common -- not to mention somewhat advanced -- it sounds like something that would really be of interest to a few of the regular posters (Rainer? Per?). Personally, I *might* fit into that category with my L2k7 configuration, if you count Ableton as a piece of looping software. I've dropped software looping from that config entirely (simplify, simplify, simplify) and I'm now mostly using the computer as a big plug-in host, with a few MIDI functions fired off to the Looperlative from Live's Clips or Arpeggiator. Dunno if that really counts, though. --m. -- _____ "I want to keep you alive so there is always the possibility of murder... later" From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 3 01:40:38 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A1DD33C0B2; Wed, 3 Oct 2007 01:40:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 404 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Wed, 03 Oct 2007 01:40:37 UTC DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; bh=z/nJu+DURNB4HCD3+mV6h80aBW7y8MEP7gLxGKqjO64=; b=R6uwndnh2pEK7YYtgNfjKfpLa339wJknRwoEgp+DMobTVHPNjXC4VxZp74HrteYiUn2exeBWpclTrO9yaa5ofnN22GYif5ujvyisDE6t6BXLiURhCV8oKkdFDSI9bfwVV5t1N/A+kcjvF5dxwW00y/inIzzvA8T9sM3albvSW4s= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=Vf3p2JZ9ZV30FyuRzRfxt8YwyPYEqdPHYluLQoQNGI2ALZSW/hNEN/8gGRmTWu/bfablikbqPGhbRyAqgNe4zc7I79SRt+7rnxhAcx9XSLrbAzjtscWZjEoGKAripuX/PN1SGto458SlGUocU8KT6/ZAfgB8Ae7eAwlfMpCChFA= Message-ID: Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2007 03:33:52 +0200 From: "Raul Bonell" To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Subject: mayonesa MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_19773_18760548.1191375232488" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/75144 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2007 01:40:38 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_19773_18760548.1191375232488 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline single sample granular/loopy madness at late night... http://www.box.net/shared/3ouaj37z3l raul. -- The Playing Orchestra: http://www.telefonica.net/web2/tpo Chain Tape Collective: http://www.ct-collective.com TPO at myspace: http://www.myspace.com/theplayingorchestra ------=_Part_19773_18760548.1191375232488 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline single sample granular/loopy madness at late night...

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TPO at myspace: http://www.myspace.com/theplayingorchestra ------=_Part_19773_18760548.1191375232488-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 3 03:14:40 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 55C403C0B7; Wed, 3 Oct 2007 03:14:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 1701 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Wed, 03 Oct 2007 03:14:39 UTC DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=jWB7hFEhs9sO83AtUYGb0SldVHvlYUorsIbG6luVN3M=; b=ZKlDTyX5A+MhXg3igcb7aOho7Yqr4ce3rKXLlwhCz9W3l+WZuVNgwkmKlmujsChf8IwHKqk5m4xSji+osN3r7HmaHRWHFOQLCiKav5v4z0d4IRJnzhip/dMx4I2NEpMS8vTmLC4MFvEPK4f91BID2K7CR9Ug5vgg+PvpAvvNTCU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=oiqls9+dTPGDVuS7DlQTPPN6UhA1TR7UxRNvizALrEJf3cZ1JEO71iKy9bCFRW1CjakurHeD6fymcawIekUYSQkOt4YjIwlKgadLIzhdsrp2HbYJ12ZcPNny7B4NSHR87g9jW+Bs+62j1aG/KB2FEsQrI3BzUZbumzMm3jc/xGs= Message-ID: <588ce11d0710021946v28122a16nf16d5a6454c8e91f@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2007 19:46:16 -0700 From: "Art Simon" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: mayonesa In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/75145 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2007 03:14:40 +0000 (UTC) Thanks! I enjoyed it quite a bit. On 10/2/07, Raul Bonell wrote: > single sample granular/loopy madness at late night... > > http://www.box.net/shared/3ouaj37z3l > > raul. > > -- > The Playing Orchestra: http://www.telefonica.net/web2/tpo > Chain Tape Collective: http://www.ct-collective.com > TPO at myspace: http://www.myspace.com/theplayingorchestra -- Art Simon simart@null.net http://art.simon.tripod.com http://www.myspace.com/artsimon From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 3 06:42:19 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2805F3C0BD; Wed, 3 Oct 2007 06:42:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 168467 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Wed, 03 Oct 2007 06:42:18 UTC DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; bh=/uCEJU34pcxs8bxH9iNwc2dVmosbmV1voVNxE9l0WQM=; b=SODPlZE1O1Sb26+rAsIl0Nps+keuZKz4nV0HeJeg1SmKaoY/gzPluZC9QnkVy31shEYId+OxzyeX7tXTJJv70dkvW0a3JvsSJ98qIyyttf8d9wJVIsKN4p1d6UgfFr+1fNp2QTUlP2j2rZ2RqIqJgDMI53vL649949Uk/Xt0EJc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=Y7idgmJxFq6v5Kni7FAeMlbauyS1l2K16rigbZsLZ56Hnvz8ZLaB0W7CTTPSLtposB5uCw0Cqd+9Iyq0hFo4nlLXdatdkfblgxoFMVV/6EMfEVGduGbqlDPWd3q/mPFq15kCXaZv3K69KNCTBso8dAojjI1gxQbJT2rGwmFkAJQ= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <697F55FB-9A99-498C-8632-9E022E6448CD@zoekeating.com> References: <697F55FB-9A99-498C-8632-9E022E6448CD@zoekeating.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <60CAB250-CDF5-44D2-8976-56679B3C4FF0@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: little boxes (was survey) Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2007 08:42:11 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/75146 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2007 06:42:19 +0000 (UTC) On 3 okt 2007, at 01.36, info at zoekeating wrote: > - using a software looper to control a hardware looper. the audio > is recorded onto a hardware-looping device but all the controls are > sent from the software looper. > > is that a hardware or software preference? > > i'd love to know if anyone else does this. both electrix and bill > walker have told me i might be the only one but i don't believe > that at all. I did that in 2003-2004. It was David Torn who in an e-mail conversation hinted me to run a midi sequencer into the Repeater's midi input and as soon as I checked it out I was bitten by the bug. I was first using an Alesis MMT-8 hardware sequencer, then a synced laptop with Logic, then Ableton Live. When I sold the Repeater I used Ableton Live to send midi commands into the EDP plus Agustuus Loop plug-in inside Live. In late 2004 I assembled enough money to get also a Windows laptop and I started using Mobius. With Mobius I duplicated my MIDI sequences - from controlling the EDP or Augustus - as scripts in Mobius. I'm finding my old two step method (midi sequencer into looper) more powerful, flexible and easier to use compared to writing scripts. The reason is that you can modify the controlling MIDI sequences while they're running. In Live I liked to apply different swing factors to the MIDI parts, for example. If the MIDI was used for unquantized SUSSUbstitute etc it resulted in funny loops with a certain groove to the overdubbed slices of audio. I'm hoping for the future that I may find to use the same mac laptop to run both the Virtual Repeater Pro and the modular MIDI sequencer Numerology. Syncing Numerology after VRP and sending Num's midi sequences into the VRP. Numerology is sooo fun! Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 3 12:22:21 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B3C993C0AF; Wed, 3 Oct 2007 12:22:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com In-Reply-To: <0BF3BE68-6C3C-4FE9-A532-47134DCD976A@gmail.com> References: <02df01c803f7$534782a0$6401a8c0@dayglogreen> <534F4974-D305-4D32-B88B-A90A2C3DA04B@mac.com> <835E17CE-7A26-4772-9526-C561A8CD00C1@gmail.com> <0BF3BE68-6C3C-4FE9-A532-47134DCD976A@gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Chuck Silva Subject: Re: Music Tech-Recording Forum Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2007 08:21:54 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/75147 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2007 12:22:21 +0000 (UTC) Wow! How cool is this forum? I can't wait to get to a computer (and find time) to check out what you all have to say. I'm really pleased to find this excellent forum with so many intelligent, friendly and musical Earthlings. Thank you, thank you, thank you all for the groovy web sites and magazines to check out-will keep me busy for a while. Thank you Per Boysen, Jim Richmond, Rainer, Andy Butler, Michael, Rick and others... What a minute! Are we at the Grammy awards? Oh, and thank you Mom and God for.......lol I'll respond to the wonderful questions and suggestions regarding mixing a balanced, punchy and clear bass and drums in a home recorded mix later when I have more time. I am really looking forward to it! Peace. Chuck silva. http://www.myspace.com/chucksilva On Oct 2, 2007, at 4:03 AM, Per Boysen wrote: > On 2 okt 2007, at 03.50, Chuck Silva wrote: > >> I'm wondering If anyone can't point me in the direction of a good >> Music Tech-Digital Recording Forum? > > > http://community.sonikmatter.com > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > www.looproom.com (international) > > > > From member@ebay.com Wed Oct 3 13:25:40 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 727 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Wed, 03 Oct 2007 13:25:39 UTC Received: from assamail.Assatex.com (assamail.assatex.com [69.18.200.20]) by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E3A4B3BF76; Wed, 3 Oct 2007 13:25:36 +0000 (UTC) Received: from User ([62.68.49.204]) by assamail.Assatex.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Wed, 3 Oct 2007 08:16:05 -0500 Reply-To: From: "eBay" Subject: Response to Question about Item Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2007 09:13:09 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1251" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Oct 2007 13:16:05.0640 (UTC) FILETIME=[8DD38080:01C805BF] To: undisclosed-recipients:;
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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 3 13:46:25 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8B38C3C00E; Wed, 3 Oct 2007 13:46:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 402 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Wed, 03 Oct 2007 13:46:24 UTC X-Authenticated: #1228034 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1+BNh1m4HmB/ilXCOhusbvX4w1xAoFJodVPG1BxhY T/SeH/wsT0q7zu Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <524B9384-037E-4B02-A23C-9A5663A9438C@mac.com> References: <524B9384-037E-4B02-A23C-9A5663A9438C@mac.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <3d9d702b0cfa9733c347632afd0f3abb@gmx.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: nico spahni Subject: Re: new music posted Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2007 15:40:25 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/75148 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2007 13:46:25 +0000 (UTC) Paul, this sounds intriguing (even though I haven't actually listened to any of the music yet :-). Providing the sonic background, or, as you nicely put it, wallpaper for art openings, performances etc. has fascinated me for some time as it transcends the traditional concert setting. Cheers Nico www.recpro.ch www.myspace.com/nicospahni Am 02.10.2007 um 23:08 schrieb Paul Mimlitsch: > Greetings. Uploaded some new recordings to my website << > http://web.mac.com/pmimlitsch >>. > "terrains" and "screech" are from a recent art opening/ reception (Zen > Calligrapher Alok Hsu Kwang-han) I provided sonic wallpaper for. > "droplets" and "droplets3" started as concept based improvs. ie: > recording a series of succesive 9ths. on loop 1 with a series of > succesive of 6ths. running parallel (unsynced/ different lengths) on > loop 2. and then adding/ playing off of how they interact. "kg2" is a > kalimba/ guitar loop improv. and "settling in" is a duo improv. w/ > flautist Meg York recorded at a house concert. Thanks for listening. > - Paul << http://web.mac.com/pmimlitsch >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 3 15:09:48 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 579643C004; Wed, 3 Oct 2007 15:09:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 399 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Wed, 03 Oct 2007 15:09:47 UTC Message-ID: <20071003100305.h20nt28vcwo4oos4@69.89.21.76> Date: Wed, 03 Oct 2007 10:03:05 -0500 From: kkissinger@kevinkissinger.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: little boxes (was survey) References: <697F55FB-9A99-498C-8632-9E022E6448CD@zoekeating.com> In-Reply-To: <697F55FB-9A99-498C-8632-9E022E6448CD@zoekeating.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.3) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - box76.bluehost.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - kevinkissinger.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/75149 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2007 15:09:48 +0000 (UTC) Quoting info at zoekeating : > > - using a software looper to control a hardware looper. the audio is > recorded onto a hardware-looping device but all the controls are sent > from the software looper. > > is that a hardware or software preference? > > i'd love to know if anyone else does this. both electrix and bill > walker have told me i might be the only one but i don't believe that at > all. > i want my sub-group dammit! > My direction is to control external hardware via MIDI, and this would include hardware loopers. Ironically, in order to get myself and my equipment to the loopfest (flying via airlines from Kansas City), I have had to resort to VST plugin FX's -- alas, my equipment rack is too heavy for the airlines. The lastest headline on Yahoo: "Airlines loose twice as may bags in 2007" isn't too reassuring. I am designing my own suitcase/packing scheme so that I can carry on my laptop and theremin. -- Kevin From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 3 16:11:25 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0FAE53C008; Wed, 3 Oct 2007 16:11:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 610308057-mk-filter-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com-B2C-$THROTTLED-DYNAMIC-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 79.66.188.142 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Aj0KALZbA0dPQryO/2dsb2JhbACCJASjIA Message-ID: <4703BF2B.1030205@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Wed, 03 Oct 2007 17:11:23 +0100 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: LD Subject: andy butler live looping on the radio Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <0judC.A.FUF.s87AHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/75150 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2007 16:11:24 +0000 (UTC) andy butler interviewed for local radio hit this link http://futurefmplatform.podbean.com/ look for Program 8 and it's about 32 mins in interview, edp demo and (probably) an album track From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 3 17:21:49 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6B2F83C008; Wed, 3 Oct 2007 17:21:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <20071003132144.O7YBC.81625.root@fepweb07> Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2007 10:21:44 -0700 From: =?utf-8?Q?tEd_=C2=AE_kiLLiAn?= To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: new music posted Cc: Paul Mimlitsch In-Reply-To: <524B9384-037E-4B02-A23C-9A5663A9438C@mac.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Sensitivity: Normal X-Originating-IP: X-Chzlrs: 0 Resent-Message-ID: <7WGBmC.A.gS.s-8AHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/75151 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2007 17:21:49 +0000 (UTC) Enjoyed 'em. Thanks fer sharin'. tEd =C2=AE kiLLiAn ---- Paul Mimlitsch wrote:=20 > Greetings. Uploaded some new recordings to my website << http://=20 > web.mac.com/pmimlitsch >>. > "terrains" and "screech" are from a recent art opening/ reception =20 > (Zen Calligrapher Alok Hsu Kwang-han) I provided sonic wallpaper =20 > for. "droplets" and "droplets3" started as concept based improvs. =20 > ie: recording a series of succesive 9ths. on loop 1 with a series of =20 > succesive of 6ths. running parallel (unsynced/ different lengths) on =20 > loop 2. and then adding/ playing off of how they interact. "kg2" is a =20 > kalimba/ guitar loop improv. and "settling in" is a duo improv. w/ =20 > flautist Meg York recorded at a house concert. Thanks for listening. > - Paul << http://web.mac.com/pmimlitsch >> >=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 3 17:22:51 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8EC0E3BF81; Wed, 3 Oct 2007 17:22:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Qua Veda" To: References: <4703BF2B.1030205@tiscali.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4703BF2B.1030205@tiscali.co.uk> Subject: RE: andy butler live looping on the radio Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2007 10:22:45 -0700 Message-ID: <009401c805e2$03f736e0$0be5a4a0$@com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: AcgF2Wy2FH1HgjlQTaKgKJTcT3WUSAACIuXw Content-Language: en-us X-RBL-Warning: REVDNS: This E-mail was sent from a MUA/MTA 206.212.233.27 with no reverse DNS entry. X-Declude-Sender: qua@oregon.com [206.212.233.27] X-Declude-Spoolname: Dd2090da5000001df.smd X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude JunkMail (www.declude.com) for spam. Resent-Message-ID: <-fktiD.A.qa.r_8AHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/75152 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2007 17:22:51 +0000 (UTC) Excellent ! -----Original Message----- From: andy butler [mailto:akbutler@tiscali.co.uk] Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2007 9:11 AM To: LD Subject: andy butler live looping on the radio andy butler interviewed for local radio hit this link http://futurefmplatform.podbean.com/ look for Program 8 and it's about 32 mins in interview, edp demo and (probably) an album track From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 3 17:55:48 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AD3F63BFAB; Wed, 3 Oct 2007 17:55:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 721 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Wed, 03 Oct 2007 17:55:47 UTC Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [68.108.90.89] From: Chris D'Errico To: Subject: Akai Headrush problems Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2007 10:43:39 -0700 Importance: Normal Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Oct 2007 17:43:44.0786 (UTC) FILETIME=[F1D2B720:01C805E4] Resent-Message-ID: <3dxE1C.A.5WC.ke9AHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/75153 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2007 17:55:48 +0000 (UTC) Has anyone ever had any problems with the "stomp" buttons on the Akai E2 He= adrush looper/delay pedal? as in they don't work properly? Mine was fine un= til a few weeks ago when the buttons you need to step on to start/record/st= op a loop started to not respond so well. What a lameass design-- I hate pe= dals with this design anyway-- it's not a "pedal" per say (like the BOSS lo= op models have), they just give you 2 small silver buttons to stomp on. I t= ried tightening them, but no difference. I haven't abused this unit at all,= either. I guess this thing just isn't made very durable. Probably going to= have to return it, just wondering if anyone else has used this product & h= ad similar problems. I've tried to contact Akai & I haven't got an answer y= et. Thanks,=20 Chris D. _________________________________________________________________ Boo!=A0Scare away worms, viruses and so much more! 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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 3 23:20:22 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C3ED03BFAA; Wed, 3 Oct 2007 23:20:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 405 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Wed, 03 Oct 2007 23:20:22 UTC Message-ID: <70f68b660710031613g6f83f923i56adae0043df7eae@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2007 17:13:34 -0600 From: "holotone@gmail.com" Sender: cole@holotone.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Noise / Ambient / Circuit Bent Looping MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_7545_20670515.1191453214881" X-Google-Sender-Auth: 25b60d0b350c00d7 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/75154 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2007 23:20:22 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_7545_20670515.1191453214881 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline In the context of ambient / noise / drone / bleepblorp / circuit bent music, which looper gives the best bang for the buck? I've heard good things about the Boss RC-20; Any yays or nays out there? What are its relative strengths and weaknesses? Currently, I'm "looping" using the Korg KP3's built in sound banks, so as you can imagine, really anything is going to be an improvement. Thanks! -- ~holotone http://holotone.net/ ------=_Part_7545_20670515.1191453214881 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline In the context of ambient / noise / drone / bleepblorp / circuit bent music, which looper gives the best bang for the buck? I've heard good things about the Boss RC-20; Any yays or nays out there? What are its relative strengths and weaknesses?

Currently, I'm "looping" using the Korg KP3's built in sound banks, so as you can imagine, really anything is going to be an improvement.

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http://holotone.net/ ------=_Part_7545_20670515.1191453214881-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 3 23:26:08 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E12A83BFB4; Wed, 3 Oct 2007 23:26:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <47042517.2000108@hevanet.com> Date: Wed, 03 Oct 2007 16:26:15 -0700 From: David Auker User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (Windows/20070728) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: andy butler live looping on the radio References: <4703BF2B.1030205@tiscali.co.uk> <009401c805e2$03f736e0$0be5a4a0$@com> In-Reply-To: <009401c805e2$03f736e0$0be5a4a0$@com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/75155 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2007 23:26:08 +0000 (UTC) Masterful! (However, the original message got trapped by my provider's spam filter...(thanks to Qua Veda for responding to Andy's post!). David > > > -----Original Message----- > From: andy butler [mailto:akbutler@tiscali.co.uk] > Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2007 9:11 AM > To: LD > Subject: andy butler live looping on the radio > > andy butler interviewed for local radio > > hit this link > > http://futurefmplatform.podbean.com/ > > look for Program 8 > > and it's about 32 mins in > > interview, > edp demo > and (probably) an album track > > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 4 03:48:48 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5A0003BF96; Thu, 4 Oct 2007 03:48:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 14058 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Thu, 04 Oct 2007 03:48:47 UTC Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <4E1728AA-E008-4D3B-8436-14C0991FCD76@blueyonder.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: The woodshed Subject: programmable delay? Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2007 00:54:25 +0100 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: <2HnTmB.A.zHB.gKGBHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/75156 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2007 03:48:48 +0000 (UTC) hi, Is there a hardware delay unit that allows storage of delay times? Like the Boss giga delay but with 'proper' patch presets, able to store about 30 or 40 presets? At the moment I have to have several giga delays. The zoom g2 does allow storage, but the delay times cannot be divided beyond 1 decimal point which is limiting. leon From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 4 03:51:52 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CEBE63BFA0; Thu, 4 Oct 2007 03:51:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <4E1728AA-E008-4D3B-8436-14C0991FCD76@blueyonder.co.uk> References: <4E1728AA-E008-4D3B-8436-14C0991FCD76@blueyonder.co.uk> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-73-561825075 Message-Id: <066E9DD3-8607-437A-9368-4735EDB94CDA@jamesrichmond.com> From: James Richmond Subject: Re: programmable delay? Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2007 23:51:46 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/75157 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2007 03:51:52 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-73-561825075 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Echo pro rackmount does this. Jim Rchmond > > hi, > > Is there a hardware delay unit that allows storage of delay times? > Like the Boss giga delay but with 'proper' patch presets, able to > store about 30 or 40 presets? At the moment I have to have several > giga delays. The zoom g2 does allow storage, but the delay times > cannot be divided beyond 1 decimal point which is limiting. > > > leon --Apple-Mail-73-561825075 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII Echo pro rackmount does = this.

Jim = Rchmond


hi,


Is there a hardware delay unit that = allows storage of delay times? Like the Boss giga delay but with = 'proper' patch presets, able to store about 30 or 40 presets? At the = moment I have to have several giga delays. The zoom g2 does allow = storage, but the delay times cannot be divided beyond 1 decimal point = which is limiting.



leon


= --Apple-Mail-73-561825075-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 4 04:05:51 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AD5563BF9F; Thu, 4 Oct 2007 04:05:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2007 00:04:52 -0400 From: Warren Sirota Subject: RE: andy butler live looping on the radio In-reply-to: <4703BF2B.1030205@tiscali.co.uk> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <033601c8063b$b709a980$4b02a8c0@warren5d67d038> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Thread-index: AcgF2ByK9zC92FDmSlypcMW4NBu7pwAY29Ww Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/75158 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2007 04:05:51 +0000 (UTC) Great job, Andy. Nice demo piece, and excellent radio presence. > -----Original Message----- > From: andy butler [mailto:akbutler@tiscali.co.uk] > Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2007 12:11 PM > To: LD > Subject: andy butler live looping on the radio > > andy butler interviewed for local radio > > hit this link > > http://futurefmplatform.podbean.com/ > > look for Program 8 > > and it's about 32 mins in > > interview, > edp demo > and (probably) an album track > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 4 06:50:59 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5AA943BF9B; Thu, 4 Oct 2007 06:50:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: AW: programmable delay? Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2007 08:51:21 +0200 Organization: Moinlabs Message-ID: <001e01c80652$f94ac150$1001a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: AcgGOXjS96kHdyl4RFenv1bPF+hORAAGWcgA In-Reply-To: <4E1728AA-E008-4D3B-8436-14C0991FCD76@blueyonder.co.uk> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-RZG-AUTH: lUESeo99iNzPL8kuBgLYdKEqUywq9cxqeRA+BtFcSCD5deQ7OIReNxqd3g== X-RZG-CLASS-ID: mo07 Resent-Message-ID: <_TpnBC.A.wdG.T1IBHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/75159 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2007 06:50:59 +0000 (UTC) about any hardware unit...which form factor do you want? The TC D2 comes to mind, as well as the TC 2290, or about any Eventide. Rainer=20 > -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- > Von: The woodshed [mailto:woodshed@blueyonder.co.uk]=20 > Gesendet: Donnerstag, 4. Oktober 2007 01:54 > An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Betreff: programmable delay? >=20 >=20 > hi, >=20 > Is there a hardware delay unit that allows storage of delay times? =20 > Like the Boss giga delay but with 'proper' patch presets,=20 > able to store about 30 or 40 presets? At the moment I have to=20 > have several giga delays. The zoom g2 does allow storage, but=20 > the delay times cannot be divided beyond 1 decimal point=20 > which is limiting. >=20 >=20 > leon >=20 >=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 4 08:34:45 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3DD963BF98; Thu, 4 Oct 2007 08:34:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <001e01c80652$f94ac150$1001a8c0@succubus> References: <001e01c80652$f94ac150$1001a8c0@succubus> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <3C255553-4AAC-46AA-8B71-DA73F427216C@blueyonder.co.uk> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: The woodshed Subject: Re: AW: programmable delay? Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2007 09:34:41 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: <3uBE6D.A.QQ.kWKBHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/75160 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2007 08:34:45 +0000 (UTC) I should have been more explicit, I was thinking more along the stomp =20= box form, as I will need 5 units. I just wondered if there was a reasonably cheap programmable delay =20 of up to about 8 seconds lurking unnoticed in a cheap stomp box =20 somewhere, like the zoom, which would be perfect (despite less than =20 stellar sound quality) with a higher resolution on the delay times. leon On 4 Oct 2007, at 07:51, Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill wrote: > about any hardware unit...which form factor do you want? > The TC D2 comes to mind, as well as the TC 2290, or about any =20 > Eventide. > > Rainer > >> -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- >> Von: The woodshed [mailto:woodshed@blueyonder.co.uk] >> Gesendet: Donnerstag, 4. Oktober 2007 01:54 >> An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >> Betreff: programmable delay? >> >> >> hi, >> >> Is there a hardware delay unit that allows storage of delay times? >> Like the Boss giga delay but with 'proper' patch presets, >> able to store about 30 or 40 presets? At the moment I have to >> have several giga delays. The zoom g2 does allow storage, but >> the delay times cannot be divided beyond 1 decimal point >> which is limiting. >> >> >> leon >> >> > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 4 09:00:25 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2F4CC3BF81; Thu, 4 Oct 2007 09:00:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 610546538-mk-filter-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com-B2C-$THROTTLED-DYNAMIC-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 79.66.176.94 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Aq4HAG5IBEdPQrBe/2dsb2JhbACCKKMT Message-ID: <4704ABAB.1060802@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2007 10:00:27 +0100 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: AW: programmable delay? References: <001e01c80652$f94ac150$1001a8c0@succubus> <3C255553-4AAC-46AA-8B71-DA73F427216C@blueyonder.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <3C255553-4AAC-46AA-8B71-DA73F427216C@blueyonder.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/75161 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2007 09:00:25 +0000 (UTC) So the stomp box requirement is a cost thing? if so Check out the Behringer Virtualizer. Dead cheap. Has 2 delays accurately programmable up to 5s. (it's a stereo delay, but each side is individually controllable) Sound quality is excellent. Well, maybe you want one or 2 of those combined with something else with the whole 8s andy butler The woodshed wrote: > > > I should have been more explicit, I was thinking more along the stomp > box form, as I will need 5 units. > I just wondered if there was a reasonably cheap programmable delay of > up to about 8 seconds lurking unnoticed in a cheap stomp box somewhere, > like the zoom, which would be perfect (despite less than stellar sound > quality) with a higher resolution on the delay times. > > leon > On 4 Oct 2007, at 07:51, Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill wrote: > >> about any hardware unit...which form factor do you want? >> The TC D2 comes to mind, as well as the TC 2290, or about any Eventide. >> >> Rainer >> >>> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- >>> Von: The woodshed [mailto:woodshed@blueyonder.co.uk] >>> Gesendet: Donnerstag, 4. Oktober 2007 01:54 >>> An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >>> Betreff: programmable delay? >>> >>> >>> hi, >>> >>> Is there a hardware delay unit that allows storage of delay times? >>> Like the Boss giga delay but with 'proper' patch presets, >>> able to store about 30 or 40 presets? At the moment I have to >>> have several giga delays. The zoom g2 does allow storage, but >>> the delay times cannot be divided beyond 1 decimal point >>> which is limiting. >>> >>> >>> leon >>> >>> >> >> > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 4 11:39:12 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A31253BF94; Thu, 4 Oct 2007 11:39:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 3621 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Thu, 04 Oct 2007 11:39:12 UTC Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2007 06:40:53 -0400 From: Bill Fox Subject: Listen to Afterglow, Galactic Travels, and The AM/FM Show To: undisclosed-recipients: ; Message-id: <4704C335.8020301@soundscapes.us> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.12 (Windows/20070509) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/75162 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2007 11:39:12 +0000 (UTC) AFTERGLOW ON WMUH: http://soundscapes.us/afterglow ======================================================================= Afterglow airs from 8:00 am to 9:30 am every Thursday morning. Tune in for a delightful mix of eclectic musical genres including a healthy dose of Progressive Rock. Tune in at 91.7 FM or on the internet at: http://muhlenberg.edu/wmuh GALACTIC TRAVELS ON WDIY: http://galactictravels.info ======================================================================= Tonight at 11 pm on Galactic Travels, I'll begin a month-long Special focus on Norwegian record label Origo Sound. The Featured CD at Midnight will be "Communion" by Current For details, see the Special Focus page at: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2007/focus.html#oct Galactic Travels is an electronic, ambient, and space music show that airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg, 93.7 FM in Fogelsville and Trexlertown, on the internet, and in High Definition Radio at 88.1 FM. THE AM/FM SHOW ON WMUH: http://soundscapes.us/amfm ======================================================================= My next stint on the AM/FM Show will be Saturday, September 22 at 6:00 am. I will continue the special on E-dition Electronic Music Magazine's sampler CDs. I will continue with issue 15 out of 16 so this special is drawing to a close soon. What's next? ;-) Tune in to WMUH Allentown at 91.7 FM, broadcasting from the campus of Muhlenberg College. I alternate hosting the show with Bruce. When I am at the helm, the show features electronic, ambient, and spacemusic at the beginning, an eclectic mix of genres in the middle, and winds up with Progressive Rock. WMUH's web site is http://muhlenberg.edu/wmuh ====================================================================== All times are EDT / GMT-4. Listen on-line to WDIY at http://wdiy.org and click LISTEN or go directly to: http://rm1.refugemedia.com/ramgen/encoder/wdiy.rm Listen on-line to WMUH at http://www.muhlenberg.edu/wmuh and click the REAL AUDIO link or go directly to: rtsp://helix.muhlenberg.edu:554/broadcast/live.rm From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 4 11:42:23 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E97EA3BF98; Thu, 4 Oct 2007 11:42:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 744 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Thu, 04 Oct 2007 11:42:22 UTC From: "Michael Peters" To: "Loopers Delight" References: Subject: RE: mayonesa Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2007 13:29:55 +0200 Message-ID: <002701c80679$e3b8aec0$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0028_01C8068A.A7417EC0" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: AcgF6Ac3z8wkEnGpQRmbBWcTA540tgAkb01w X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 In-Reply-To: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/75163 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2007 11:42:23 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0028_01C8068A.A7417EC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit way cool Raul !!! how did you do that? -Michael www.michaelpeters.de _____ From: Raul Bonell [mailto:raul.bonell@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2007 3:34 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: mayonesa single sample granular/loopy madness at late night... http://www.box.net/shared/3ouaj37z3l raul. -- The Playing Orchestra: http://www.telefonica.net/web2/tpo Chain Tape Collective: http://www.ct-collective.com TPO at myspace: http://www.myspace.com/theplayingorchestra ------=_NextPart_000_0028_01C8068A.A7417EC0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
way cool Raul !!! how did you do=20 that? 
 
-Michael www.michaelpeters.de

From: Raul Bonell=20 [mailto:raul.bonell@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, October 03, = 2007=20 3:34 AM
To: = Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject:=20 mayonesa

single sample granular/loopy madness at late = night...

http://www.box.net/shared/3= ouaj37z3l

raul.
--
The Playing Orchestra: http://www.telefonica.net/web= 2/tpo
Chain=20 Tape Collective: http://www.ct-collective.comTPO at=20 myspace: http://www.myspace.co= m/theplayingorchestra=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0028_01C8068A.A7417EC0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 4 12:17:30 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 92CA33BF90; Thu, 4 Oct 2007 12:17:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=BAfawa83ZzibyA6Sl2fc+1IrCpTNbVggb8vTULEFu3s=; b=AKiSxnGRscx8lxhILAGfAqMT5+gocU62VfcZtrOh5Ft13JSOposUbiqo+xTSz4We7e6yG2vccXkRBrgRAuhrVVBFYzt8+ueGUj1bRJUbnfpkmTl4QfGX0Nw4OVPhcAOUYbp6hc5bLjQKUMh9gX2oO863SxkSbJWtj7P039qVias= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=elCOlkWnA9+ca3qDp2VXBZfPu4lwxNUPWRcuNbaWg4y3mW9+t4W9psbnj42x/Y4BLf1NBqntqTy/1ieA6qAqyP0gdvkuN+SnSTtAihaEV8dVvSEXxjZ/m7ZnjMRdQ2YibS9IDVTF9Dgx1z3RKB/kiUW42GjjR0rGlrFZz4YaMDQ= Message-ID: Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2007 14:17:27 +0200 From: "Raul Bonell" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: mayonesa In-Reply-To: <002701c80679$e3b8aec0$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_26561_31273813.1191500247650" References: <002701c80679$e3b8aec0$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/75164 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2007 12:17:30 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_26561_31273813.1191500247650 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline ah! ... joking eh?... your granular works inspired this! ... Bidule ... thanks for listening! ra=FCl. 2007/10/4, Michael Peters : > > way cool Raul !!! how did you do that? > > -Michael www.michaelpeters.de > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Raul Bonell [mailto:raul.bonell@gmail.com] > *Sent:* Wednesday, October 03, 2007 3:34 AM > *To:* Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > *Subject:* mayonesa > > single sample granular/loopy madness at late night... > > http://www.box.net/shared/3ouaj37z3l > > raul. > > -- > The Playing Orchestra: http://www.telefonica.net/web2/tpo > Chain Tape Collective: http://www.ct-collective.com > TPO at myspace: http://www.myspace.com/theplayingorchestra > > --=20 The Playing Orchestra: http://www.telefonica.net/web2/tpo Chain Tape Collective: http://www.ct-collective.com TPO at myspace: http://www.myspace.com/theplayingorchestra ------=_Part_26561_31273813.1191500247650 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline ah! ... joking eh?...  your granular works inspired this!
... Bidul= e ...
thanks for listening!
ra=FCl.


2007/10/4, Michael Peters <m= p@mpeters.de >:
way c= ool Raul !!! how did you do=20 that? 
 

single sample granular/loopy madness at late night...

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raul.

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The Playing Orchestra: http://www.telefonica.net/web2/tpo=
Chain=20 Tape Collective: http://www.ct-c= ollective.com
TPO at=20 myspace: http://ww= w.myspace.com/theplayingorchestra=20



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TPO at myspace: http://www.myspace.com/theplayingorchestra<= /a> ------=_Part_26561_31273813.1191500247650-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 4 12:54:48 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7A1013BF8E; Thu, 4 Oct 2007 12:54:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4704E45F.4080805@post.cybercity.dk> Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2007 15:02:23 +0200 From: van Sinn Reply-To: vansinn@post.cybercity.dk Organization: van Sinn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: AW: programmable delay? References: <001e01c80652$f94ac150$1001a8c0@succubus> <3C255553-4AAC-46AA-8B71-DA73F427216C@blueyonder.co.uk> <4704ABAB.1060802@tiscali.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4704ABAB.1060802@tiscali.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/75165 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2007 12:54:48 +0000 (UTC) andy butler wrote: > So the stomp box requirement is a cost thing? > > if so > > Check out the Behringer Virtualizer. > Dead cheap. > Has 2 delays accurately programmable up to 5s. > (it's a stereo delay, but each side is individually controllable) > Sound quality is excellent. > > Well, maybe you want one or 2 of those combined with something else > with the whole 8s > > andy butler A few of those combined with a rackmounted FX S/R controller (Rocktron, Vodoolabs..) might make a nice midi controlled muli-delay setup. On a side note.. 'fun' how Behringer ofted gets discreminated, while in reality by far most of their products are actually pretty good. > The woodshed wrote: > >> >> >> I should have been more explicit, I was thinking more along the stomp >> box form, as I will need 5 units. >> I just wondered if there was a reasonably cheap programmable delay of >> up to about 8 seconds lurking unnoticed in a cheap stomp box >> somewhere, like the zoom, which would be perfect (despite less than >> stellar sound quality) with a higher resolution on the delay times. >> >> leon >> On 4 Oct 2007, at 07:51, Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill wrote: >> >>> about any hardware unit...which form factor do you want? >>> The TC D2 comes to mind, as well as the TC 2290, or about any Eventide. >>> >>> Rainer >>> >>>> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- >>>> Von: The woodshed [mailto:woodshed@blueyonder.co.uk] >>>> Gesendet: Donnerstag, 4. Oktober 2007 01:54 >>>> An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >>>> Betreff: programmable delay? >>>> >>>> >>>> hi, >>>> >>>> Is there a hardware delay unit that allows storage of delay times? >>>> Like the Boss giga delay but with 'proper' patch presets, >>>> able to store about 30 or 40 presets? At the moment I have to >>>> have several giga delays. The zoom g2 does allow storage, but >>>> the delay times cannot be divided beyond 1 decimal point >>>> which is limiting. >>>> >>>> >>>> leon >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >> >> >> > > > . > -- rgds, van Sinn From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 4 13:13:02 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9C5773BF92; Thu, 4 Oct 2007 13:13:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=L+sfLvsRseLYVQA6gyzsxRj1p473lIHDboPBFsHCPgUqB8GpcjkkVyVn1xxQg6C8sGfdhximVcYKXJzFsDtCAJG6X4CB0qak2qCpYZUh+0fqYu0BkM8cMV+HTGo3nXwdSQmevsdNyHu6iSGtbKTPgu6henuXI+dESqL3Pdp0a/g=; X-YMail-OSG: Ye70df8VM1n1u5nqJS.YyKJ_xmkEKclmPXuY4kpDGe7EOowiM4qgL1krrBK2O12VZkPHSGXAjz8CKD7HyCCzGs5Tjpxf8gy5MYEQ Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2007 06:13:01 -0700 (PDT) From: richard gryffin Subject: EDP/fcb1010 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-8744306-1191503581=:90322" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <650078.90322.qm@web63505.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: <6EXL9B.A.i-H.ebOBHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/75166 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2007 13:13:02 +0000 (UTC) --0-8744306-1191503581=:90322 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I have encountered a problem controlling my EDP with an fcb1010 midi controller. I used the PC editor as suggested to program the fcb1010 and after the third try with sysex send.... got control of the plex....not too bad for a newbie. I have started with the basic 7 footswitch commands and they all initiate when pressed. The problem I am having is this: I power on and record the first loop....no problems and all functions available thru the pedal and EDP...everything works as it should until I reset record on the EDP using the midi foot controller or the front panel and start a new loop.... it plays only one cycle of the loop and then stops. I have reset the EDP to factory defaults to make sure i havent inadvertantly changed a paramater... . then i also discovered you have to reset the echoplex presets.... thru further experimentation i have found that apparently the initial use of the midi controller changes a preset parameter in the echoplex after the first loop..which one i cant figure ....i have established this by resetting the presets after disconnecting the fcb1010 and using the echoplex footswitch.. once i do this everything is back to normal with the plex...as long as i use the the gibson pedal....when i go back to the midi pedal the problem comes back...what plex paramater will stop the loop after one cycle? and how is the midi pedal changing the plex paramaters / presets when all i have programmed in the pedal are note ons for the echoplex 7 front panel buttons? i know im a newbie but i have scoured the files and see nothing related to this so....any help sent my way will be greatly appreciated firehawks --------------------------------- Need a vacation? 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I have encountered a problem controlling my EDP with an fcb1010 midi
controller. I used the PC editor as suggested to program the
fcb1010 and after the third try with sysex send.... got
control of the plex....not too bad for a newbie. I have started with the basic
7 footswitch commands and they all initiate when pressed. The
problem I am having is this:

I power on and record the first loop....no problems and all functions
available thru the pedal and EDP...everything works as it should until I
reset record on the EDP using the midi foot controller or
the front panel and start a new loop.... it plays only one cycle of the
loop and then stops. I have reset the EDP to factory defaults to
make sure i havent inadvertantly changed a paramater... . then i also
discovered you have to reset the echoplex presets....
thru further experimentation i have found that apparently the
initial use of the midi controller changes a preset parameter in the
echoplex after the first loop..which one i cant figure ....i have
established this by resetting the presets after disconnecting the
fcb1010 and using the echoplex footswitch.. once i do this everything
is back to normal with the plex...as long as i use the the gibson pedal....when i go back to the midi pedal the problem comes back...what plex paramater will stop the loop after one cycle? and how is the midi pedal changing the plex paramaters / presets when all i have programmed in the pedal are note ons for the echoplex 7 front panel buttons?

i know im a newbie but i have scoured the files and see nothing
related to this so....any help sent my way will be greatly
appreciated


firehawks

Need a vacation? Get great deals to amazing places on Yahoo! Travel. --0-8744306-1191503581=:90322-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 4 13:33:37 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8437B3BF89; Thu, 4 Oct 2007 13:33:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-SBRS: None X-SenderGroup: RELAYLIST X-MailFlowPolicy: $RELAYED X-MID: 608799119 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: behringer again again (wasprogrammable delay?) Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2007 14:33:30 +0100 Message-ID: <1BB076E4C332F9469148F41725F17A7205719107@MTVNE-EXCLUST02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> In-Reply-To: <4704E45F.4080805@post.cybercity.dk> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: behringer again again (wasprogrammable delay?) Thread-Index: AcgGiycMD25i/3LJQmuPp0EascMcSw== References: <4704E45F.4080805@post.cybercity.dk> From: "Goddard, Duncan" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Oct 2007 13:33:32.0092 (UTC) FILETIME=[27F927C0:01C8068B] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/75167 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2007 13:33:37 +0000 (UTC) >>On a side note.. 'fun' how Behringer ofted gets discreminated, while in reality by far most of their products are actually pretty good.<< at risk of inviting a libel case from them, the reason that most behringer products are actually pretty good is that the designs, inside & very often outside too, are nobbled from other manufacturers (boss, EHX, mackie & the rest).=20 so uli doesn't have to pay for R&D or industrial design except on a very few product lines that are unique (apparently) to behringer, e.g. the fcb1010. I have no issue with the reliability or quality of the products- indeed, I own several of their mixers & an fcb1010 myself.=20 I think for those of us that are generally comfortable with the build quality & reliability, the remaining nasty taste is due to the rarified atmosphere of the moral high-ground. there are some pictures on the music-thing blogsite with the EHX & boss units next to their behringer, er, ringers. the words "cheeky" & "bastards" come to mind. it's that blatant. since these pics were posted, the boss-a-like range has had it's appearance changed to make it less boss-like. I don't know why- yakuza? :-) take a look at this: http://musicthing.blogspot.com/2005/01/behringers-dirt-cheap-stompboxes- look.html duncan. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 4 14:51:27 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 580F53BF87; Thu, 4 Oct 2007 14:51:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2007 10:51:20 EDT Subject: Re: mayonesa To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_cdd.1e45f4fd.343657e8_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 293 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: <-r2_OC.A.vdE.u3PBHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/75168 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2007 14:51:27 +0000 (UTC) --part1_cdd.1e45f4fd.343657e8_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 10/2/07 9:40:50 PM, raul.bonell@gmail.com writes: > http://www.box.net/shared/3ouaj37z3l > raul....very nice.....somewhat of a departure from your former music.....i wish it were longer.....michael "Who needs a six pac when ya got a keg!".....scoots galore "THOUGHTS ON EXCERCISE" www.ct-collective.com http://mysite.verizon.net/vzepmeci/ http://www.myspace.com/klobuchar11 ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com --part1_cdd.1e45f4fd.343657e8_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
In a message dated 10/2/07 9:40:50 PM, raul.bonell@gmail.com writes:


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raul....very nice.....somewhat of a departure from your former music.....= i wish it were longer.....michael




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See what's=20= new at http://www.aol.com --part1_cdd.1e45f4fd.343657e8_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 4 14:58:19 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7EB8F3BF8D; Thu, 4 Oct 2007 14:58:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2007 10:58:04 EDT Subject: Re: andy butler live looping on the radio To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_ce5.1d6d77ad.3436597c_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 293 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/75169 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2007 14:58:18 +0000 (UTC) --part1_ce5.1d6d77ad.3436597c_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit great interview!.....i could just picture you there with your edps, sg, vortex, groovey pantaloons and my shoes!.....keep flyin that LIVE LOOPING FLAG!.....good stuff!.....michael "Who needs a six pac when ya got a keg!".....scoots galore "THOUGHTS ON EXCERCISE" www.ct-collective.com http://mysite.verizon.net/vzepmeci/ http://www.myspace.com/klobuchar11 ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com --part1_ce5.1d6d77ad.3436597c_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable great interview!.....i could just pictu= re you there with your edps, sg, vortex, groovey pantaloons and my shoes!...= ..keep flyin that LIVE LOOPING FLAG!.....good stuff!.....michael




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See what's=20= new at http://www.aol.com --part1_ce5.1d6d77ad.3436597c_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 4 15:00:57 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9C8AF3BF8F; Thu, 4 Oct 2007 15:00:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 3463 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Thu, 04 Oct 2007 15:00:56 UTC Message-ID: <33120.167.83.10.20.1191506587.squirrel@www.michaelplishka.com> In-Reply-To: <1BB076E4C332F9469148F41725F17A7205719107@MTVNE-EXCLUST02.mtvne.ad.via com.com> References: <4704E45F.4080805@post.cybercity.dk> <1BB076E4C332F9469148F41725F17A7205719107@MTVNE-EXCLUST02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2007 10:03:07 -0400 (EDT) Subject: OT: Eno and bargains From: mike@michaelplishka.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.9a MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - server316.tchmachines.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [32166 32167] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - michaelplishka.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/75170 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2007 15:00:57 +0000 (UTC) I'm a happy camper! We had bake/book/music sale in our company library and I was able to pick up Begegnungen II and Thursday Afternoon for $1 each and they're in stellar shape. :) Ahh the beauty of used CD's... Plish From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 4 15:33:13 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 703103BF8B; Thu, 4 Oct 2007 15:33:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 623 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Thu, 04 Oct 2007 15:33:12 UTC Message-ID: <47050543.8020901@mhorse.com> Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2007 10:22:43 -0500 From: Daryl Shawn User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.13 (Windows/20070809) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Noise / Ambient / Circuit Bent Looping References: <20071004131303.4C4A03BF97@arsenic.violacea.com> In-Reply-To: <20071004131303.4C4A03BF97@arsenic.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/75171 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2007 15:33:13 +0000 (UTC) Though it's an unfashionable dinosaur and with almost none of the features of the RC-20, I personally would recommend the Digitech PDS pedals, either the 2-second or the exponentially pricier 8-second. They have a really tasty sound quality, and the ability to shift pitch w/delay time (two octaves from extreme to extreme) lends itself extremely well to creating interesting noises. They also can be tweaked internally for longer delays/loops, with lower resolution as the additional results which can also be a nice thing. Good sound references are Bill Frisell's older stuff (check the live record with Joey Baron and Kermitt Driscoll), and Sonic Youth's Lee Renaldo (who uses the 20/20 chorus/flange/echo, which is exceptionally tweakable). The 2-second versions, the PDS 1002/2000, are so cheap on Ebay that you could pick up three or four of them for the same price as an RC-20 and arm yourself with some real hell-raising potential. Daryl Shawn www.swanwelder.com www.chinapaintingmusic.com > In the context of ambient / noise / drone / bleepblorp / circuit bent > music, which looper gives the best bang for the buck? I've heard good > things about the Boss RC-20; Any yays or nays out there? What are its > relative strengths and weaknesses? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 4 15:33:49 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 04CCF3BF85; Thu, 4 Oct 2007 15:33:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=b4gpkpTVFoxvi3njNEsjd6mlh5Y6kZLd19uD/of7vnU=; b=qAn5mbGmOIL50LSOdnGpY20LPR+DgACL1Oy699NFqqDgbekwxSu8JQVhQcQrisSt/IUmMS7qo7Rxmwl/y8IUkap+TU2OY7G827s421oTQjzMkC85mdJuymQbP2DMoRwCqCNIj4TlP/tzB/9F3Rs53vdmgI984+CNHqnKPVpbN7o= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=cNIi4OS9THri1eqInEHtBXaeKNL893eYHv6xwsU1mFkEJ+VqqAnmy/eGxYkvWYVZ2KFzUy0BxvyrtVpvOw4QLZ7s8iOYldDdu1S0LHTmRUCiT5id562cb76VjqPQaLDbquF28fyNBsUCCsmLjVew3KqyuTVRhN6/fVsa4lu9Du8= Message-ID: <588ce11d0710040833j7563856fj8bf1a742a35c40bd@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2007 08:33:46 -0700 From: "Art Simon" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: behringer again again (wasprogrammable delay?) In-Reply-To: <1BB076E4C332F9469148F41725F17A7205719107@MTVNE-EXCLUST02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <4704E45F.4080805@post.cybercity.dk> <1BB076E4C332F9469148F41725F17A7205719107@MTVNE-EXCLUST02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/75172 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2007 15:33:48 +0000 (UTC) I can see both sides of the "Evil Behringer discussion," but this example may not support your argument On 10/4/07, Goddard, Duncan wrote: > so uli doesn't have to pay for R&D or industrial design except on a very > few product lines that are unique (apparently) to behringer, e.g. the > fcb1010. > Actually, it seems as though the innards of the Behringer pedals are completely different than their visual twins. According to the blog "What they've presumably done is create a basic digital effects circuit (not too different from the Digital Stompbox). Every pedal probably has the same innards, with a different ROM chip, different knobs and a different colour box." That is very different from Reverse Engineering, and is in fact quite similar to the way Ikea operates. As an aside, I just bought an Ikea bedside dresser thing the other day for $35. It was marked "Made in Denmark" on the side. It says something when you can pay Danish workers comfortable wages, good benefits and ship the thing to the US, sell it for $35 and still make a profit. Maybe the end of the world isn't quite so near : ) -- Art Simon simart@null.net http://art.simon.tripod.com http://www.myspace.com/artsimon From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 4 15:53:33 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 842DD3BF8E; Thu, 4 Oct 2007 15:53:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 43304 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Thu, 04 Oct 2007 15:53:33 UTC Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <588ce11d0710040833j7563856fj8bf1a742a35c40bd@mail.gmail.com> References: <4704E45F.4080805@post.cybercity.dk> <1BB076E4C332F9469148F41725F17A7205719107@MTVNE-EXCLUST02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> <588ce11d0710040833j7563856fj8bf1a742a35c40bd@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-75-605128277 Message-Id: <69456186-E111-4B1A-AAAF-B25BBECF2B2B@jamesrichmond.com> From: James Richmond Subject: Re: behringer again again (wasprogrammable delay?) Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2007 11:53:29 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/75173 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2007 15:53:33 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-75-605128277 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed On Oct 4, 2007, at 11:33 AM, Art Simon wrote: > That is very different from Reverse > Engineering, and is in fact quite similar to the way Ikea operates. Their copy of the Ebtech cable tester is pretty much a direct copy both in looks and electronics. I've opened them up side by side. Jim --Apple-Mail-75-605128277 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1
On Oct 4, 2007, at = 11:33 AM, Art Simon wrote:

=A0That is very different from = Reverse

Engineering, and is in fact quite similar to the way Ikea = operates.


Their copy of the = Ebtech cable tester is pretty much a direct copy both in looks and = electronics.
I've opened them up side by side.

Jim
= --Apple-Mail-75-605128277-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 4 16:32:52 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A2E873BF84; Thu, 4 Oct 2007 16:32:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=SQi4AoE/RuI9aFHm9q4W5AHoKmUg6h7KI8uiQ9Vye+8=; b=WCe2jcm8rsE5DSBr5ahvoph3inezJrlXOw0LRH1g8hA5lhMMyBeMEMvpn4f/dLS73WR4BjNNB+vH/mIno+ugVyu6ZwKXG7lYie5zJd0uCYBdlCml3ITx+b0gETAZl37wo4wx1UofC8i+a24+0kQr/mW7FYa+QMQnsFNZKRcWkX4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=pQML1pBb79p110ptrdRw0SudIpmgoT2geh8bSv+hW8oTZoGKhZU5XhfP5ICOLI1Zg5iqXnrFnGm9ObhpewWFE1ykXxvVJiGFWx20ioq4kf0xm0siRYPWNdYyTRQmERbkxhDBk+ZCVCqCMFcRPlnzQx8Oa+gDRcU56RbvGnT0LEI= Message-ID: <588ce11d0710040932v3a9085f2n6d324a1bb64d586a@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2007 09:32:48 -0700 From: "Art Simon" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: behringer again again (wasprogrammable delay?) In-Reply-To: <69456186-E111-4B1A-AAAF-B25BBECF2B2B@jamesrichmond.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <4704E45F.4080805@post.cybercity.dk> <1BB076E4C332F9469148F41725F17A7205719107@MTVNE-EXCLUST02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> <588ce11d0710040833j7563856fj8bf1a742a35c40bd@mail.gmail.com> <69456186-E111-4B1A-AAAF-B25BBECF2B2B@jamesrichmond.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/75174 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2007 16:32:52 +0000 (UTC) I guess I'm saying that _this particular example_ isn't reverse engineering. It does seem as though Behringer is guilty of ripping off other companies designs in other examples. But in this example, Behringer just seems to be using common componentry to keep costs down, which is actually _good_ engineering. They aren't really "ripping off Electro-Harmonix" any more than Line6 rips off Mesa-Boogie with their amp emulation. (Or Mobius rips off the EDP to bring this back on topic : ) On 10/4/07, James Richmond wrote: > Their copy of the Ebtech cable tester is pretty much a direct copy both in > looks and electronics. > I've opened them up side by side. > > Jim -- Art Simon simart@null.net http://art.simon.tripod.com http://www.myspace.com/artsimon From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 4 16:35:18 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 389753BF8D; Thu, 4 Oct 2007 16:35:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; bh=RoJ5KAlXVfPplQFIvmHzzsnOxbo4SXbw5s43S6fDmuU=; b=llKFpcKPNle6wtQrntCpTKWNytUZNf5jMlGweZsQyZqsrvQodeJ5Nx/ey1on2FkIf4GcUoQXS4B1vRntSKlwynR8hITI2ioJpgD18ArAswokyZvoW+3VTsW++uylKr54RKQDy+qd1yZ6xRYfQ1xq3CvXHaxEyNp8Y5ERN7LkGno= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=ePYsFnTvGdvzwEI0VaFDHfppmeJOg27JsmnzrD82BOwKEreAEN+S+H0RadKBAqZnM2YoLKn7EteHJuqDXTzv3bpe1OFu8klthLLb5glEC4UrW/Or8+NODGH6ov4pu8uSUTXlck/pjVV7Tjl+PwvVVrmvyJYzSeDxPrMS8yXKOg0= Message-ID: Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2007 18:35:15 +0200 From: "Raul Bonell" To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Subject: OT:guitar-X-s/pdif MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_27921_285087.1191515715455" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/75175 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2007 16:35:18 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_27921_285087.1191515715455 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline may somebody recommend me a cheap/clean way to convert directly the output of my guitar into the s/pdif input of a laptop? no midi needed since i own other midi interfaces. thanks masters! raul. -- The Playing Orchestra: http://www.telefonica.net/web2/tpo Chain Tape Collective: http://www.ct-collective.com TPO at myspace: http://www.myspace.com/theplayingorchestra ------=_Part_27921_285087.1191515715455 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline may somebody recommend me a
cheap/clean way to convert directly
the output of my guitar into the s/pdif input
of a laptop? no midi needed since i own
other midi interfaces.

thanks masters!
raul.

--
The Playing Orchestra: http://www.telefonica.net/web2/tpo
Chain Tape Collective: http://www.ct-collective.com
TPO at myspace: http://www.myspace.com/theplayingorchestra ------=_Part_27921_285087.1191515715455-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 4 16:37:26 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 11EF83BF8E; Thu, 4 Oct 2007 16:37:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <588ce11d0710040932v3a9085f2n6d324a1bb64d586a@mail.gmail.com> References: <4704E45F.4080805@post.cybercity.dk> <1BB076E4C332F9469148F41725F17A7205719107@MTVNE-EXCLUST02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> <588ce11d0710040833j7563856fj8bf1a742a35c40bd@mail.gmail.com> <69456186-E111-4B1A-AAAF-B25BBECF2B2B@jamesrichmond.com> <588ce11d0710040932v3a9085f2n6d324a1bb64d586a@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-77-607760826 Message-Id: <2E6C98DD-1C89-4EF8-9411-1F8A3E06F942@jamesrichmond.com> From: James Richmond Subject: Re: behringer again again (wasprogrammable delay?) Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2007 12:37:21 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/75176 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2007 16:37:26 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-77-607760826 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Don't get me started.... :-) Jim On Oct 4, 2007, at 12:32 PM, Art Simon wrote: > Line6 rips off > Mesa-Boogie with their amp emulation. --Apple-Mail-77-607760826 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII Don't get me started.... :-)

Jim

On Oct 4, 2007, at 12:32 PM, Art Simon wrote:

Line6 rips off

Mesa-Boogie with their amp emulation.


--Apple-Mail-77-607760826-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 4 17:21:37 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3049A3BF80; Thu, 4 Oct 2007 17:21:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 1736 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Thu, 04 Oct 2007 17:21:36 UTC DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=bg2Jfos7803j3MN30Xlptmfhwp6VYE1oY6WMTk7VCTY=; b=TtbzazTb58PQKInpwrrmiJoweK5b5vldGsojrt+x/yd/L2bBxPOjSNrNKSgEJNifIWYUSGV+MgtPfKkGKhL5hrfy0ddP2xnwFReBfNi19N6oeNr8IuMfypUOSDz60u0GDFGgJvU+G8B6GnVJERsXCFPYC4P2GGmXKEu3vVS1WiA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=pQ/Msiny01nGc1zQ/Hti9uini0Y0GjD4H1ksyO9O2cqTSBu0T4fLUlc45ICz/x46NHDfOIDrg8T3rs0VRVsy1EkVnjfFDxZcbWL/IjMQWlgkN6BwFFzE494pTqnYRN191SOFZ76g/NnvWxGUjxu27KgWcYWRGRmaSZQmkX1Snhk= Message-ID: Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2007 12:52:38 -0400 From: "Tony K" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT:guitar-X-s/pdif In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/75177 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2007 17:21:37 +0000 (UTC) Find a digitech RP2000. It's got S/PDIF out. I'm not sure how cheap they are these days. Check some of the other Digitech multifx. I think the GNX series has s/pdif too. but I'm not positive. Unfortunately, they aren't cheap. But they are kinda cool. :) Tony On 10/4/07, Raul Bonell wrote: > may somebody recommend me a > cheap/clean way to convert directly > the output of my guitar into the s/pdif input > of a laptop? no midi needed since i own > other midi interfaces. > > thanks masters! > raul. > > -- > The Playing Orchestra: http://www.telefonica.net/web2/tpo > Chain Tape Collective: http://www.ct-collective.com > TPO at myspace: http://www.myspace.com/theplayingorchestra -- -==-=-=- Tony From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 4 17:27:06 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 106883BF89; Thu, 4 Oct 2007 17:27:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 4032 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Thu, 04 Oct 2007 17:27:05 UTC Message-Id: <200710041619.l94GJpRs035454@mail.cruzio.com> Reply-To: From: "William Walker" To: Subject: RE: Programmable Delay Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2007 09:19:55 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 In-Reply-To: X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Thread-Index: AcgGnpqVvBUI+0cqQFG6VpO7UOuX4gAApRjQ Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/75178 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2007 17:27:05 +0000 (UTC) I just had a chance to play the new TC nova delay, essentially a 2290 in a floor box. It's programmable but I'm not exactly sure how many presets are available. God it sounds great though, with the ability to filter the delay to sound more like analogue or tape, and it has a unique tap function that allows you to silently set the tempo by holding down the tap button and playing a rhythmic phrase, which the Nova delay analizes and turns in to a tempo setting. You can also set the LCD to read milliseconds or BPM's...sweet. OH yes, and the sound quality is of course , first rate, with that classic 2290 ducking ability. Bill From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 4 17:48:37 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 36D3B3BF91; Thu, 4 Oct 2007 17:48:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2007 13:47:03 -0400 From: Bill Fox Subject: Galactic Travels Playlist #548 for September 29, 2007 To: undisclosed-recipients: ; Message-id: <47052717.1040600@soundscapes.us> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.12 (Windows/20070509) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/75179 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2007 17:48:37 +0000 (UTC) Don't forget to tune in to tonight's show. http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2007/070927.html Galactic Travels is an electronic, ambient, and space music show, that airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA, 93.9 FM in Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ, 93.7 FM in Fogelsville and Trexlertown, and webcasting on the internet. WDIY also broadcasts in Digital HD at 88.1 FM. Show #548 September 27, 2007 RECAP: On this show, I concluded the month-long focus on Free System Projekt. The Featured CD at Midnight was "Gent." Free System Projekt: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2007/focus.html#sep PLAYLIST: 11:04 pm ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ==================== ==================== ============================== Phrozenlight Rumbling between Darklights (none) solitary rocks WintherStormer Musical Equitqtion Woodwork (Bajkal) Extracted from Firelogs O Yuki Conjugate Ascension Undercurrents (none) 12:00 am ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ==================== ==================== ============================== Free System Projekt Desolate Landscape Gent (none) Free System Projekt Gent 4 Gent (none) Free System Projekt Moyland Part 4 Gent (none) Free System Projekt Gent 5 Gent (none) 1:00 am * = excerpt VA = Various Artists (compilation) ++ = Advance CDR from Artist -- = Background music under interview NEXT SHOW: On the next Galactic Travels, I'll begin a month-long focus on Origo Sound. The Featured CD at Midnight will be "Communion" by Current. Bill ======================================================================= Host of Galactic Travels, an electronic, ambient, and space music show, Thursdays at 11:04 pm EDT (GMT-4:00) on WDIY 88.1 FM in Allentown and Bethlehem, 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg, and on 93.7 FM in Trexlertown and Fogelsville. WDIY also broadcasts in HD Digital Radio on 88.1 FM. Galactic Travels web site - http://galactictravels.info RSS News Feed: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/rss/enews.xml Podcasts: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/rss/gt.xml Listen on-line to WDIY at http://wdiy.org and click on the LISTEN link or go directly to: http://rm1.refugemedia.com/ramgen/encoder/wdiy.rm To subscribe to the galactic-travels mailing list, click on [Join This Group!] at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/galactic-travels Playlists are also published at http://billfox.blogspot.com RSS (2.0) feed from http://billfox.blogspot.com/rss.xml Atom (0.3) feed from http://billfox.blogspot.com/atom.xml From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 4 18:09:11 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 674FF3BF85; Thu, 4 Oct 2007 18:09:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <47052E0E.6080807@post.cybercity.dk> Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2007 20:16:46 +0200 From: van Sinn Reply-To: vansinn@post.cybercity.dk Organization: van Sinn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: behringer again again (wasprogrammable delay?) References: <4704E45F.4080805@post.cybercity.dk> <1BB076E4C332F9469148F41725F17A7205719107@MTVNE-EXCLUST02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> <588ce11d0710040833j7563856fj8bf1a742a35c40bd@mail.gmail.com> <69456186-E111-4B1A-AAAF-B25BBECF2B2B@jamesrichmond.com> <588ce11d0710040932v3a9085f2n6d324a1bb64d586a@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <588ce11d0710040932v3a9085f2n6d324a1bb64d586a@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <20yUiC.A.KsE.HxSBHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/75180 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2007 18:09:11 +0000 (UTC) Art Simon wrote: > I guess I'm saying that _this particular example_ isn't reverse > engineering. It does seem as though Behringer is guilty of ripping off > other companies designs in other examples. But in this example, > Behringer just seems to be using common componentry to keep costs > down, which is actually _good_ engineering. They aren't really > "ripping off Electro-Harmonix" any more than Line6 rips off > Mesa-Boogie with their amp emulation. (Or Mobius rips off the EDP to > bring this back on topic : ) > > On 10/4/07, James Richmond wrote: > >>Their copy of the Ebtech cable tester is pretty much a direct copy both in >>looks and electronics. >>I've opened them up side by side. >> >>Jim Ooups! Shouldn't've mentioned the Behringer stuff, sorry about that. Ever so often there's a looongish thread on some usenet group. What Behringer is doing, which ever way, is delivering affordable gear to those who can't always afford, or don't need, Boutique gear. The Real McCoy gear will always be shopped by those who wants that. Summarizing from one of the latest (on rec.audio.pro IIRC), a posting linked to Ulf Beringer's statements, that reverse engineering is both ethically justifiable and accepted in every business, further saying "Do you think Mercedez don't have the latest BMW on a bench in their labs?" I'll just cool my engines for now ;) Peace, love on Earth et al... -- rgds, van Sinn From secure@bell.ca Thu Oct 4 20:45:48 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 4303 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Thu, 04 Oct 2007 20:45:47 UTC Received: from toq9-srv.bellnexxia.net (toq9.bellnexxia.net [209.226.175.116]) by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8DD2B3BF39; Thu, 4 Oct 2007 20:45:45 +0000 (UTC) Received: from User ([74.15.191.158]) by tomts25-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.13 201-253-122-130-113-20050324) with SMTP id <20071004193353.KZEC19497.tomts25-srv.bellnexxia.net@User>; Thu, 4 Oct 2007 15:33:53 -0400 From: "Amazon" Subject: Account Review Team Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2007 15:33:44 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1251" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-Id: <20071004193353.KZEC19497.tomts25-srv.bellnexxia.net@User> To: undisclosed-recipients:; Amazon

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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 4 21:50:22 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E6ACA3BF70; Thu, 4 Oct 2007 21:50:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 345 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Thu, 04 Oct 2007 21:50:22 UTC From: midifriedchicken@comcast.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com (Loopers Delight) Subject: Live 7 has been announced Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2007 21:44:35 +0000 Message-Id: <100420072144.15305.47055EC3000576D000003BC92216551406020A050C07080C0B0A079D00070B0703@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Oct 4 2006) X-Authenticated-Sender: bWlkaWZyaWVkY2hpY2tlbkBjb21jYXN0Lm5ldA== MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_15305_1191534275_0" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/75181 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2007 21:50:22 +0000 (UTC) --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_15305_1191534275_0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Looks very cool. http://www.ableton.com/live --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_15305_1191534275_0 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Looks very cool.
 
--NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_15305_1191534275_0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 4 22:04:10 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 925EB3BF6D; Thu, 4 Oct 2007 22:04:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; bh=vFMlZylZxWU5ZDUAx90xpD1pD23kGWcYnksbaeeACa8=; b=GFhBSeWLt9VeP9tq44XBVzcW+mQh/368hObXe2uaDHGkvoGez6LZaPgToGrwnAKbZxFP1MBbOdXlNzAhRqT5NCVAkjWONAZe6NFAGtcpFgxfm58TsLwbVuQa1chxOqYBXsjtP43atDXnRKojdyC+5NfGt6AnuoJhhhqo7mGXUhs= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=tqdPwrr+WogGrZHDdTb42UoggFqQ7r6h41/l3Evucevtc2T/O0xDD2OgefobSZOMrrOKpPSHmhualAlfuMQk4b0wAKSGexQgiiGgvULiBC6dh/YkwBHVykRmTRxTTaWXm5aRtDM3freSAXJ24sI/2/sHYQkuBg1fs0lcC4tLV8s= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <100420072144.15305.47055EC3000576D000003BC92216551406020A050C07080C0B0A079D00070B0703@comcast.net> References: <100420072144.15305.47055EC3000576D000003BC92216551406020A050C07080C0B0A079D00070B0703@comcast.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <2D696D61-5559-445A-96DE-4322EF26028C@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Live 7 has been announced Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2007 00:04:07 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/75182 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2007 22:04:10 +0000 (UTC) On 4 okt 2007, at 23.44, midifriedchicken@comcast.net wrote: > Looks very cool. > http://www.ableton.com/live How wonderful! I was just so tempted to go to bed but Midi-Chick Fry helps me to stay up for an extra hour ;-) First Apple and now Ableton... it's the Fight Of The Titans out there. If they could only care a bit more about live looping musicians. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 4 22:17:55 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C33DC3BF80; Thu, 4 Oct 2007 22:17:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 613505244-mk-filter-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com-B2C-$THROTTLED-DYNAMIC-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 79.66.176.113 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Aq4HAEoCBUdPQrBx/2dsb2JhbACCKKI4 Message-ID: <47056696.6040906@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2007 23:17:58 +0100 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: EDP/fcb1010 References: <650078.90322.qm@web63505.mail.re1.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <650078.90322.qm@web63505.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/75183 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2007 22:17:55 +0000 (UTC) it would seem that the fcb1010 is sending some extra command. put all the unused fcb functions onto a different midi channel probably it's setting feedback to 0, in which case changing the FeedBKCont param should be a quick fix andy butler (tired now, more help if you need it later) richard gryffin wrote: > I have encountered a problem controlling my EDP with an fcb1010 midi > controller. I used the PC editor as suggested to program the > fcb1010 and after the third try with sysex send.... got > control of the plex....not too bad for a newbie. I have started with the > basic > 7 footswitch commands and they all initiate when pressed. The > problem I am having is this: > > I power on and record the first loop....no problems and all functions > available thru the pedal and EDP...everything works as it should until I > reset record on the EDP using the midi foot controller or > the front panel and start a new loop.... it plays only one cycle of the > loop and then stops. I have reset the EDP to factory defaults to > make sure i havent inadvertantly changed a paramater... . then i also > discovered you have to reset the echoplex presets.... > thru further experimentation i have found that apparently the > initial use of the midi controller changes a preset parameter in the > echoplex after the first loop..which one i cant figure ....i have > established this by resetting the presets after disconnecting the > fcb1010 and using the echoplex footswitch.. once i do this everything > is back to normal with the plex...as long as i use the the gibson > pedal....when i go back to the midi pedal the problem comes back...what > plex paramater will stop the loop after one cycle? and how is the midi > pedal changing the plex paramaters / presets when all i have programmed > in the pedal are note ons for the echoplex 7 front panel buttons? > > i know im a newbie but i have scoured the files and see nothing > related to this so....any help sent my way will be greatly > appreciated > > > */firehawks/* > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Need a vacation? Get great deals to amazing places > on > Yahoo! Travel. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 4 23:25:26 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DC6743BF6E; Thu, 4 Oct 2007 23:25:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <380-220071044232524728@M2W007.mail2web.com> X-Priority: 3 Reply-To: qua@oregon.com X-Originating-IP: 134.134.136.4 X-URL: http://mail2web.com/ From: "qua@oregon.com" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2007 19:25:24 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: Live 7 has been announced Resent-Message-ID: <1tP7NB.A.lJH.mZXBHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/75184 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2007 23:25:26 +0000 (UTC) any idea when it is supposed to come out of beta=3F Original Message: ----------------- From: midifriedchicken@comcast=2Enet Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2007 21:44:35 +0000 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight=2Ecom (Loopers Delight) Subject: Live 7 has been announced Looks very cool=2E=20 http://www=2Eableton=2Ecom/live -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web LIVE =96 Free email based on Microsoft=AE Exchange technology - http://link=2Email2web=2Ecom/LIVE From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 4 23:57:58 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0A7D03BF74; Thu, 4 Oct 2007 23:57:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 12860 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Thu, 04 Oct 2007 23:57:57 UTC Message-ID: <076701c806c4$708a7d20$61b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Reply-To: "Krispen Hartung" From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <588ce11d0710021946v28122a16nf16d5a6454c8e91f@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: mayonesa Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2007 14:23:33 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: <4lyf6C.A.N2H.F4XBHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/75185 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2007 23:57:58 +0000 (UTC) Nice. In Bidule? Do you mean you did all this with Bidule modules, or are you using other VSTs, etc? I really enjoy working with granular effects. I have several max/msp granular patches, from Nathan Wolek's granular toolkit: http://www.nathanwolek.com/software.html I basically took most of his live performance granlar patches, converted them to true stereo, and then I controll two key pararmeters in each with my FCB expression pedals. Kris > On 10/2/07, Raul Bonell wrote: >> single sample granular/loopy madness at late night... >> >> http://www.box.net/shared/3ouaj37z3l >> >> raul. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 5 01:08:54 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7FF243BF67; Fri, 5 Oct 2007 01:08:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2007 20:08:29 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Mech Subject: Re: OT:guitar-X-s/pdif Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/75186 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2007 01:08:54 +0000 (UTC) At 6:35 PM +0200 10/4/07, Raul Bonell wrote: >may somebody recommend me a cheap/clean way to convert directly >the output of my guitar into the s/pdif input of a laptop? BTW, you didn't specify: do you need coax or optical S/PDIF (or does it not matter)? Take a look at the Behringer V-Verb. Musician's Fiend [sic] is doing a special on them right now for $99: http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/Behringer-VVERB-PRO-REV2496-Reverb-Modeling-Processor?sku=182490 I only recently grabbed one, but it seems like a nice reverb/delay unit. Not to mention it has both AES/EBU XLR and TOSLINK built into the back (you can elect to send S/PDIF out the XLR's too, IIRC). If you need co-ax, I believe there's a wiring hack that let's you use XLR into RCA-type co-ax jacks. It's been a while since I found that one out on the net, though, so you may need to do a Google for it. And, if you want a kickass delay pedal with a built in Looper thrown in extra, the Yamaha UD-Stomp has co-ax S/PDIF built into it. That one's going to set you back a little, as their value on Ebay has held (or even increased) since they were discontinued, though. However, it does get us back on topic by a little. ;) --m. -- _____ "the wind in my heart; the dust in my head...." From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 5 03:22:13 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 995073BF63; Fri, 5 Oct 2007 03:22:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=wx9lvFIM1ht7iR4m7VkDDzLovu24oYdTFUn/AcbcrQEGZnOafjNKbuDqFe/Ie+ECA8xRt/AqjsQR6M5nQdOczqx1k9DhOcXTOCHOoHLS3bk2iffrjjzQGCrUenycHAC06HS+r6hhHaghqnpXLv0sH6ulMLLol0/RMIF4+edLQdM=; X-YMail-OSG: T2Tk1jAVM1nby56si_ggJjjytRILMHZQk3U8JkPn8YThAyK190tRO1MCFVhmTX9c_Q-- Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2007 20:22:12 -0700 (PDT) From: richard gryffin Subject: Re: EDP/fcb1010 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <47056696.6040906@tiscali.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1102984399-1191554532=:35938" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <589924.35938.qm@web63510.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/75187 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2007 03:22:13 +0000 (UTC) --0-1102984399-1191554532=:35938 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit feedBKCont was set at 1....i changed it to 127.....still the same results all 7 gibson pedal button functions are set to midi channel 1 all programmed fcb functions related to the plex 7 buttons are set to channel 1 all other fcb functions are set to channel 25.....ahhhhhhhhh .....as i visualize what i write ....it occurs to me ......the plex only has 16 channels doesnt it ? so i changed to numbers the plex would understand ....channel 15 it was ....finiky lil beast isn it? and now it works like a charm....or as it is supposed to.... thanks man ...you saved me hours of frustration i am sure.... andy butler wrote: it would seem that the fcb1010 is sending some extra command. put all the unused fcb functions onto a different midi channel probably it's setting feedback to 0, in which case changing the FeedBKCont param should be a quick fix andy butler (tired now, more help if you need it later) richard gryffin wrote: > I have encountered a problem controlling my EDP with an fcb1010 midi > controller. I used the PC editor as suggested to program the > fcb1010 and after the third try with sysex send.... got > control of the plex....not too bad for a newbie. I have started with the > basic > 7 footswitch commands and they all initiate when pressed. The > problem I am having is this: > > I power on and record the first loop....no problems and all functions > available thru the pedal and EDP...everything works as it should until I > reset record on the EDP using the midi foot controller or > the front panel and start a new loop.... it plays only one cycle of the > loop and then stops. I have reset the EDP to factory defaults to > make sure i havent inadvertantly changed a paramater... . then i also > discovered you have to reset the echoplex presets.... > thru further experimentation i have found that apparently the > initial use of the midi controller changes a preset parameter in the > echoplex after the first loop..which one i cant figure ....i have > established this by resetting the presets after disconnecting the > fcb1010 and using the echoplex footswitch.. once i do this everything > is back to normal with the plex...as long as i use the the gibson > pedal....when i go back to the midi pedal the problem comes back...what > plex paramater will stop the loop after one cycle? and how is the midi > pedal changing the plex paramaters / presets when all i have programmed > in the pedal are note ons for the echoplex 7 front panel buttons? > > i know im a newbie but i have scoured the files and see nothing > related to this so....any help sent my way will be greatly > appreciated > > > */firehawks/* > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Need a vacation? Get great deals to amazing places > on > Yahoo! Travel. firehawks --------------------------------- Boardwalk for $500? In 2007? Ha! Play Monopoly Here and Now (it's updated for today's economy) at Yahoo! Games. --0-1102984399-1191554532=:35938 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
feedBKCont was set at 1....i changed it to 127.....still the same results
all 7 gibson pedal button functions are set to midi channel 1
all programmed fcb functions related to the plex 7 buttons are set to channel 1
all other fcb functions are set to channel 25.....ahhhhhhhhh .....as i visualize what i write ....it occurs to me ......the plex only has 16 channels doesnt it ? so i changed to numbers the plex would understand ....channel 15 it was ....finiky lil beast isn it?
and now it works like a charm....or as it is supposed to....
thanks man ...you saved me hours of frustration i am sure....
 


andy butler <akbutler@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:
it would seem that the fcb1010 is sending some extra command.
put all the unused fcb functions onto a different midi channel

probably it's setting feedback to 0, in which case changing the
FeedBKCont param should be a quick fix

andy butler
(tired now, more help if you need it later)





richard gryffin wrote:
> I have encountered a problem controlling my EDP with an fcb1010 midi
> controller. I used the PC editor as suggested to program the
> fcb1010 and after the third try with sysex send.... got
> control of the plex....not too bad for a newbie. I have started with the
> basic
> 7 footswitch commands and they all initiate when pressed. The
> problem I am having is this:
>
> I power on and record the first loop....no problems and all functions
> available thru the pedal and EDP...everything works as it should until I
> reset record on the EDP using the midi foot controller or
> the front panel and start a new loop.... it plays only one cycle of the
> loop and then stops. I have reset the EDP to factory defaults to
> make sure i havent inadvertantly changed a paramater... . then i also
> discovered you have to reset the echoplex presets....
> thru further experimentation i have found that apparently the
> initial use of the midi controller changes a preset parameter in the
> echoplex after the first loop..which one i cant figure ....i have
> established this by resetting the presets after disconnecting the
> fcb1010 and using the echoplex footswitch.. once i do this everything
> is back to normal with the plex...as long as i use the the gibson
> pedal....when i go back to the midi pedal the problem comes back...what
> plex paramater will stop the loop after one cycle? and how is the midi
> pedal changing the plex paramaters / presets when all i have programmed
> in the pedal are note ons for the echoplex 7 front panel buttons?
>
> i know im a newbie but i have scoured the files and see nothing
> related to this so....any help sent my way will be greatly
> appreciated
>
>
> */firehawks/*
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Need a vacation? Get great deals to amazing places
> on
> Yahoo! Travel.




firehawks

Boardwalk for $500? In 2007? Ha!
Play Monopoly Here and Now (it's updated for today's economy) at Yahoo! Games. --0-1102984399-1191554532=:35938-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 5 04:55:23 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AA8B13BF6A; Fri, 5 Oct 2007 04:55:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 3600 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Fri, 05 Oct 2007 04:55:23 UTC Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2007 23:56:50 -0400 From: "David Kirkdorffer" Subject: My worst looping gig... To: Message-id: <000701c80703$c2e2d100$08cd5548@hppav> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1478 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1478 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0004_01C806E2.3B295840" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <589924.35938.qm@web63510.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/75188 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2007 04:55:23 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01C806E2.3B295840 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ....was when a very large and very drunken member of the audience came = up on stage while I was playing an unlikely spot called "The Chopping = Block" and recounted into the microphone his "special encounter" with = Michael Brook. He was actually quite entertaining, which was reason = enough for me to stop playing and just let the moment play out. What I = didn't realize fast enough was just how long it would take to share all = the details of this "special encounter."=20 and what about you?? ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01C806E2.3B295840 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
....was when a very large and very = drunken member=20 of the audience came up on stage while I was playing an unlikely spot = called=20 "The Chopping Block" and recounted into the microphone his "special = encounter"=20 with Michael Brook.  He was actually quite entertaining, which was = reason=20 enough for me to stop playing and just let the moment play out.  = What I=20 didn't realize fast enough was just how long it would take to share all = the=20 details of this "special encounter."
 
and what about = you??
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I enjoyed your tale.

Unrelated anecdote:

It was 1977.  I was the "leader" of an early punk band in Northampton, MA.  We encouraged audience participation as a political statement.  This led to some great nights (and some no so great ones).  Daniel Lightsey (a published poet; if still a very damaged human being) did scat words on top of our jams.  We took him on the road (regional) and he was always well received in clubs in Boston & New England environs.  However, his love of heroin made him unreliable in the extreme and we had to stop his involvement.  But I still think his poems (sometimes) were sublime.

We had a local musician we called Yoko Wayney who would leap on stage and take over the singing on occasion.  He was a co-owner of an excellent NY deli in Oho.  We later played his wedding (or his business partner - one of them was gay but I can never remember which one). Yoko Wayney was once a musician in NY with a band called the Gypsy Tramps and he knew folks like Alan Vega from Suicide - which was cool cause we then hired Suicide to play a one-off gig in Noho and they let us open for them at a club in NYC called the 80s. One of my very favorite gig memories.  The audience assaulted me as lead singer and I loved the negative energy.

So those are my memories: Daniel causing mayhem and people throwing bottles at the stage. One night with Yoko Wayney, the bass player in my band decided Wayney had been sleeping with his wife (or something else - I never figured out all of his anger issues) and he threw a beer glass at Yoko.  Who went berserk and threw things back and ranted for ages into an open mic. So the rest of us grooved  on the cadence of his speech and gave him a cool James Brown backdrop for his diatribe.  Then the cops shut down the club (Rahars) for the night.  So L. Luchinie turned it into a private party, opened the cooler, and we all sat & drank into the wee hours while telling tall tales.

Between the 2 of them, the groove went on for almost an hour and I really wish we had run tape because I suspect it was excellent.

Anyway - I think being assualted by your listeners may sometimes be a good thing. I was assaulted by miiltant lesbians numerous times for my lyrics, even though I kept trying to explain they were hyperbole intended to skew homophobes.  Such was life in the land of literal liberali9sm circa 1977.

-----Original Message-----
From: David Kirkdorffer
Sent: Oct 4, 2007 11:56 PM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: My worst looping gig...

....was when a very large and very drunken member of the audience came up on stage while I was playing an unlikely spot called "The Chopping Block" and recounted into the microphone his "special encounter" with Michael Brook.  He was actually quite entertaining, which was reason enough for me to stop playing and just let the moment play out.  What I didn't realize fast enough was just how long it would take to share all the details of this "special encounter."
 
and what about you??
From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 5 08:08:31 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 53D6D3BF6C; Fri, 5 Oct 2007 08:08:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Date: Fri, 05 Oct 2007 10:08:29 +0200 From: "Buzap Buzap" Message-ID: <20071005080829.92040@gmx.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Following Acoustic Musicians with Looper To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Authenticated: #33233833 X-Flags: 0001 X-Mailer: WWW-Mail 6100 (Global Message Exchange) X-Priority: 3 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1+6eilawFa6ZnYUleypBjry6Eoj0unXMbWiF4PJFd R6jGVZ96Wo0HGSjLc7gUI/oeT4skZYbvu6mQ== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-GMX-UID: z8k2f8EXMmA6ScJ3kGBnzU85MjQ1Nx2N Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/75190 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2007 08:08:31 +0000 (UTC) Hi folks When I loop _by_myself_, I'm quite happy with the musical freedom. If I have an idea in my head, I can transform it into sounding music on a looper more or less to my satisfaction. When I play with others and _I_set_the_rhyhthm_ (and often also the bass line) on my looper, it also works out quite well. When it comes to playing together with other acoustic musicians in a live setting where _they_set_the_tempo_ , there still seems to be a long way to go. Recently, I jammed with a couple acoustic musicians where I didn't dominate the song structure. So, the tempo was varying about ca. +/- 20 BPM. Eventually, I had to turn my RC-2 off. To make a long story short: What looping features & skills do you need to be able to play live with other musicians? How do you keep in sync and keep up with tempo properly (acoustic instruments only and no drummer with a midi trigger)? My first guess is that you need a looper with the following features: - Retrigger loop(s) - Tap tempo So, what hardware loopers are able to do this? Retrigger: I can't really do that with my RC-50 + RC-2. You can't really stop and restart the loop because the ther will be a big "hole" in the music (maybe it works if you add a lot of reverb or put another loop under it?). Tap Tempo: More or less useless on RC-50 (might work if you only have percussion). RC-2: works quite fine. But you cannot use an external foot pedal for that (tap tempo will work only in stop mode). That means you have to bend down. So, how about other hardware loopers? And software (Mobius or SooperLooper)? Have you experience with handling such situations in practice? Best regards Buzap -- Psssst! Schon vom neuen GMX MultiMessenger gehört? Der kanns mit allen: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/multimessenger From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 5 08:44:26 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 35A783BF68; Fri, 5 Oct 2007 08:44:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-priority:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; bh=hZ7x2yIBMsUWjSitEKttQLhmezuvdf5mJizT82qWV4Q=; b=SmAf8SBcBZm3i4T5WJPC/QUPWMrqHe2R0vz2V6mM8qf0FXv7L8boGuc+wkmFQW5ZorfWf6gsK16LQcRxwCbFOYc/2egVg5nJp3uSFdMGKV32W1YEvqA1KbMkd1LCCHsTXZqKtvaAjyqZsp12x78MgnOK4fGLR8ZcIfFQhaRf6Nw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-priority:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=tuMm0PVfXtvpgnurePAzqywNkSPEjx/riQZeiVMTNViCryKH/DuX+Ruu2ZNfN89/X93Gw2YVrWtnaUkCKroFs+fAm6QNaASPTxDbkRmWZF9ts36Ib1KZHDTheXPe2WG/JWjT5syMaBVOFzrkhZrSoBJJgyOEALnh3dJKF3CsmRI= In-Reply-To: <20071005080829.92040@gmx.net> References: <20071005080829.92040@gmx.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <716FB4BF-3A51-4C0A-82A9-19E4A15383CD@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Following Acoustic Musicians with Looper Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2007 10:44:19 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: <6z9U5D.A.L4C.plfBHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/75191 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2007 08:44:26 +0000 (UTC) On 5 okt 2007, at 10.08, Buzap Buzap wrote: > To make a long story short: What looping features & skills do you > need to be able to play live with other musicians? > How do you keep in sync and keep up with tempo properly (acoustic > instruments only and no drummer with a midi trigger)? In my experience the EDP is excellent for this. The trick is to not loop all the time and always be prepared delete your loop in a blink to react on what is happening in the group. 1) On the EDP you can always hit Record to erase everything and start a new loop and the second time you hit Record (or any alternative ending) you're in a new loop that is syncing to the new "acoustic" tempo. 2) I also keep one button to instantly retrigger the loop ("stutter"). 3) I the group tempo changes while I'm working a floating, non rhythmic, loop I might simply go Multiply-Record to cut it down to a duration that loops in synk. This kind of "looper abuse" is not possible with Mobius on a laptop, although Mobius does well handle most EDP tricks and adds its own. This good live synk functionality is the reason I still keep my old EDP. I can't think of any bette way to sync electronics than an EDP used in the above described way. The longer loop you create the more accurate will the sync be. I typically start out with two or one bars. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 5 08:49:51 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AE1933BF63; Fri, 5 Oct 2007 08:49:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 393 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Fri, 05 Oct 2007 08:49:50 UTC Message-ID: <00ee01c8072b$c2513830$4001a8c0@pcfabio> Reply-To: "e t e r o g e n e o" From: "e t e r o g e n e o" To: References: Subject: Re: mayonesa Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2007 10:43:10 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00EB_01C8073C.85A0CFC0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-Spam-Rating: smtp6.aruba.it 1.6.2 0/1000/N Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/75192 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2007 08:49:51 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00EB_01C8073C.85A0CFC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Very nice ! fabio ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Raul Bonell=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2007 3:33 AM Subject: mayonesa single sample granular/loopy madness at late night... http://www.box.net/shared/3ouaj37z3l raul. --=20 The Playing Orchestra: http://www.telefonica.net/web2/tpo Chain Tape Collective: http://www.ct-collective.com TPO at myspace: http://www.myspace.com/theplayingorchestra=20 -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- No virus found in this incoming message. 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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 5 10:29:48 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 889253BF6D; Fri, 5 Oct 2007 10:29:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Date: Fri, 05 Oct 2007 12:29:45 +0200 From: "Buzap Buzap" In-Reply-To: <716FB4BF-3A51-4C0A-82A9-19E4A15383CD@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20071005102945.278030@gmx.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20071005080829.92040@gmx.net> <716FB4BF-3A51-4C0A-82A9-19E4A15383CD@gmail.com> Subject: Re: Following Acoustic Musicians with Looper To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Authenticated: #33233833 X-Flags: 0001 X-Mailer: WWW-Mail 6100 (Global Message Exchange) X-Priority: 3 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1/OOfh2jE/OqfevStd99+Zefy/P1n3n14Nbcu64u/ 8vTBRPLvaguy/xBDrXIAaEgD/vpo/5r4YXCg== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-GMX-UID: ISA/cqAheWUoScF6iHRzS0oxU3U4Nw/9 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/75193 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2007 10:29:48 +0000 (UTC) Hi Per & all the hints are really good. Seems like constantly tapping the BPM to catch up is not the wisest thing? Let's look at these advices from the RC50 perpective: > 1) On the EDP you can always hit Record to erase everything and start > a new loop and the second time you hit Record (or any alternative > ending) you're in a new loop that is syncing to the new "acoustic" > tempo. With extra pedals, I can do that quite easily, since I have 3 loops available to switch back and forth. > 2) I also keep one button to instantly retrigger the loop ("stutter"). Just figured out, that I can do that also in SINGLE MODE on the RC50, by pressing the Phrase pedal. That's really sweet!! :-)) I do get to use the single mode after all... > 3) I the group tempo changes while I'm working a floating, > rhythmic, loop I might simply go Multiply-Record to cut it down to a > duration that loops in synk. I get the idea. Currently, it "almost" works. I just can't get the damn thing to "multiply-record" without quantizing to initial loop tempo. So, overall, the "stutter" function seems to help a lot. If I don't get tired stepping on the pedal on every count of "one". I can even keep the loop running with the wrong tempo and still start on time (assuming the group get's faster). I had another trick in mind, but I don't know if it works: Sort of slowing down, speeding up the loop until you are in sync with the group. Don't know if you just need practice to get there or if it is too difficult. Was really surprised that Mobius doesn't play all these tricks.. Thanks Buzap -- Psssst! Schon vom neuen GMX MultiMessenger gehört? Der kanns mit allen: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/multimessenger From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 5 11:25:43 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DCD833BF58; Fri, 5 Oct 2007 11:25:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2007 13:25:41 +0200 (MEST) Message-Id: <200710051125.l95BPfv3009775@post.webmailer.de> X-Authentication-Warning: sek.store: httpd set sender to rs@moinlabs.de using -f To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: rs@moinlabs.de Subject: Re: Following Acoustic Musicians with Looper X-Priority: 3 X-Abuse: 512675 / 192.109.190.88 X-RZG-MBID: 0AP3TDtljfgdCQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-RZG-CLASS-ID: em07 Resent-Message-ID: <3HhiPD.A._6H.28hBHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/75194 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2007 11:25:42 +0000 (UTC) The Repeater works well in this setup. You can either tap the tempo as you = =3D play, and the Repeater will speed up or slow down accordingly, or you can (= =3D if I remember correctly) even have it sync to an acoustic bass drum track. = =3D I never did that with the Repeater, but with a Quasimidi Sirius sending mid= =3D i clock to a Repeater. Other possibilties: 1. Make sure somebody who is able to dominate the tempo (normally, a loud d= =3D rummer) can hear your loop very clearly. At best, very loud in his inears. = =3D I also played with a drummer who was very happy to look at the flashing tap= =3D tempo light of my KP2 synced to the Repeater. 2. Use loops which work well with tempo changes. 3. Learn to play very tight. Rainer > To make a long story short: What looping features & skills do you need to= be > able to play live with other musicians? > How do you keep in sync and keep up with tempo properly (acoustic > instruments only and no drummer with a midi trigger)? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 5 11:56:59 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2712B3BF25; Fri, 5 Oct 2007 11:56:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-priority:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; bh=pteNyZucQMbUO5nHhBgyscRcGoIB6GXcl6gVjE6QObo=; b=MiEdL4wpOZZCyWr91V4miblothzuCJTnf/8puFZaZL7BkQxqsD5o48IAzh5QGFSrRJEZzJ01DRi2B71eyW+OSMvz110od2GsTN1/gjUGd81KbPkC8Ivx9kMdinuCEHaavfId3mKmkhT5AtxkThnioIx/RxVaXSXS9rfRHW9Xk1A= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-priority:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=M3A9SZhKpLLyII28kMM5/UQbSh9mDt17JoTNayuEGmfDJZ6ynAxvykNIbLnP0Lm2yL1VULdmciBPSm9+CzVWVY5wtAtSRCA0ja1CgsOycfQqrq2KtXrTkYmeiEY0Nyg5nMR701KCSiD0kbC9FZ6v8FaqocTKhmtM2Ow9rWRjFIE= In-Reply-To: <20071005102945.278030@gmx.net> References: <20071005080829.92040@gmx.net> <716FB4BF-3A51-4C0A-82A9-19E4A15383CD@gmail.com> <20071005102945.278030@gmx.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <7778FF78-51D6-4A2E-A349-4BC6907C7F04@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Following Acoustic Musicians with Looper Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2007 13:56:51 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: <0dadiC.A.A9.KaiBHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/75195 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2007 11:56:58 +0000 (UTC) On 5 okt 2007, at 12.29, Buzap Buzap wrote: > Was really surprised that Mobius doesn't play all these tricks.. Oh yes it does! But not without audio artifacts or rhythmic hiccups. Never judge a piece of gear form its specification. Better try it, listen to it and apply it. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 5 12:02:45 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BAD4E3BF6F; Fri, 5 Oct 2007 12:02:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 1382 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Fri, 05 Oct 2007 12:02:45 UTC Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) To: Loop List Message-Id: <1505A8B2-8ED8-4E5D-A23C-0AC96EB3D219@steve-lawson.co.uk> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-3-676297591 From: Steve Lawson Subject: Re: Following Acoustic Musicians with Looper Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2007 12:39:38 +0100 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - dot1.hosting-ontap.co.uk X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - steve-lawson.co.uk Resent-Message-ID: <-Ple5D.A.qNB.lfiBHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/75196 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2007 12:02:45 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-3-676297591 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed >>How do you keep in sync and keep up with tempo properly << As a general rule, you don't. They do - if you're the one looping, it's incumbent on the other musicians to LISTEN to what you're doing and stick with it. Like a drummer - a drummer's job isn't to follow the tempo drifts of the singer, in all but the most arcane of musical settings. Everyone else follows the drummer (except the bassist - we tend to be able to pull drummers in line when they need it... ;o) ) So, explain to the other musicians that your loops won't follow them, and that they have to listen to you as they would to a drummer. Then play things, at least at first til the get the subtlety of it, that are rhythmically really obvious. I've been able to get people who previously had no idea about looping to follow me pretty well, just by pointing out that they need to listen. :o) cheers Steve www.stevelawson.net - site www.stevelawson.net/zencart/ - shop http://steve.anthropiccollective.org - blog www.myspace.com/solobassstevelawson --Apple-Mail-3-676297591 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 >>How do you keep in sync = and keep up with tempo properly=A0<<

As a general rule, you = don't. They do - if you're the one looping, it's incumbent on the other = musicians to LISTEN to what you're doing and stick with it. Like a = drummer - a drummer's job isn't to follow the tempo drifts of the = singer, in all but the most arcane of musical settings. Everyone else = follows the drummer (except the bassist - we tend to be able to pull = drummers in line when they need it... ;o)=A0 )

So, explain to the other = musicians that your loops won't follow them, and that they have to = listen to you as they would to a drummer. Then play things, at least at = first til the get the subtlety of it, that are rhythmically really = obvious. I've been able to get people who previously had no idea about = looping to follow me pretty well, just by pointing out that they need to = listen. :o)=A0

cheers

= http://steve.anthropiccollec= tive.org - = blog
www.myspace.com/solobassstevelawson



= --Apple-Mail-3-676297591-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 5 12:11:56 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 59A923BF6F; Fri, 5 Oct 2007 12:11:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 3600 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Fri, 05 Oct 2007 12:11:55 UTC X-Cloudmark-Score: 0.000000 [] Message-ID: <000e01c80740$8b35a830$4001a8c0@mini> From: "Claude Voit" To: References: <20071005080829.92040@gmx.net> <716FB4BF-3A51-4C0A-82A9-19E4A15383CD@gmail.com> <20071005102945.278030@gmx.net> Subject: Re: Following Acoustic Musicians with Looper Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2007 13:11:56 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: <4CiKkB.A.kpB.MoiBHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/75197 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2007 12:11:56 +0000 (UTC) hi why search for the complicated akward techie solution ?? why not take some time for the "other" musician to adapt to play regular time and "connect" with your loops _they_ are suposed to adapt if they want to play with a looping musician Claude Hi Per & all the hints are really good. Seems like constantly tapping the BPM to catch up is not the wisest thing? Let's look at these advices from the RC50 perpective: > 1) On the EDP you can always hit Record to erase everything and start > a new loop and the second time you hit Record (or any alternative > ending) you're in a new loop that is syncing to the new "acoustic" > tempo. With extra pedals, I can do that quite easily, since I have 3 loops available to switch back and forth. > 2) I also keep one button to instantly retrigger the loop ("stutter"). Just figured out, that I can do that also in SINGLE MODE on the RC50, by pressing the Phrase pedal. That's really sweet!! :-)) I do get to use the single mode after all... > 3) I the group tempo changes while I'm working a floating, > rhythmic, loop I might simply go Multiply-Record to cut it down to a > duration that loops in synk. I get the idea. Currently, it "almost" works. I just can't get the damn thing to "multiply-record" without quantizing to initial loop tempo. So, overall, the "stutter" function seems to help a lot. If I don't get tired stepping on the pedal on every count of "one". I can even keep the loop running with the wrong tempo and still start on time (assuming the group get's faster). I had another trick in mind, but I don't know if it works: Sort of slowing down, speeding up the loop until you are in sync with the group. Don't know if you just need practice to get there or if it is too difficult. Was really surprised that Mobius doesn't play all these tricks.. Thanks Buzap -- Psssst! Schon vom neuen GMX MultiMessenger gehört? Der kanns mit allen: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/multimessenger From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 5 12:25:37 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 195C73BF6F; Fri, 5 Oct 2007 12:25:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 619903046-mk-filter-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com-B2C-$THROTTLED-DYNAMIC-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 79.66.162.122 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Aj0KABTKBUdPQqJ6/2dsb2JhbACCKKBU Message-ID: <47062D46.9070207@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Fri, 05 Oct 2007 13:25:42 +0100 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Following Acoustic Musicians with Looper References: <20071005080829.92040@gmx.net> <716FB4BF-3A51-4C0A-82A9-19E4A15383CD@gmail.com> <20071005102945.278030@gmx.net> In-Reply-To: <20071005102945.278030@gmx.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/75198 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2007 12:25:37 +0000 (UTC) > I had another trick in mind, but I don't know if it works: > Sort of slowing down, speeding up the loop until you are in sync with the group. Don't know if you just need practice to get there or if it is too difficult. bet it's not possible ( would be great if you could prove me wrong here :-) it's hard anyway, but the musicians you are trying to match will likely have found yet another tempo by the time you catch up. Especially as what you're doing is going to put them off. > Was really surprised that Mobius doesn't play all these tricks.. me too, but let's appreciate that Jeff transcended his "EDP Clone" days. andy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 5 12:32:22 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 529833BF6D; Fri, 5 Oct 2007 12:32:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 619905163-mk-filter-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com-B2C-$THROTTLED-DYNAMIC-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 79.66.162.122 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Aj0KACbLBUdPQqJ6/2dsb2JhbACCKKBU Message-ID: <47062EDC.6080507@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Fri, 05 Oct 2007 13:32:28 +0100 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Following Acoustic Musicians with Looper References: <1505A8B2-8ED8-4E5D-A23C-0AC96EB3D219@steve-lawson.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <1505A8B2-8ED8-4E5D-A23C-0AC96EB3D219@steve-lawson.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/75199 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2007 12:32:22 +0000 (UTC) Steve Lawson wrote: - a drummer's job isn't to follow the > tempo drifts of the singer, in all but the most arcane of musical > settings. Vietnamese sung poetry is arcane???? (anyone think of any others?) andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 5 13:32:53 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E1CC33BF65; Fri, 5 Oct 2007 13:32:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <094201c80754$37e65b70$61b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Reply-To: "Krispen Hartung" From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <589924.35938.qm@web63510.mail.re1.yahoo.com> <000701c80703$c2e2d100$08cd5548@hppav> Subject: Re: My worst looping gig... Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2007 07:32:46 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_093F_01C80721.EC6953A0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/75200 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2007 13:32:53 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_093F_01C80721.EC6953A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Here is my worst looping gig...copied from my blog at: = http://krispenhartung.blogspot.com/2005_09_01_archive.html "Yesterday was probably the worst gig I ever experienced...totally = horrific. Just about everything that could have gone wrong, went wrong. = To start, the night before my 85 year old grandma slipped on the = hardwood for of my kitchen and landed on the back of her head, knocking = her out unconscious, and bleeding profusely. We had to call the = ambulance, take her to the emergency room at the hospital, and she has = been in the hospital since. She is fine and they are keeping her in the = hospital as a precaution, to observe her, take a cat scan to ensure = there is no internal bleeding, etc....main point being that I was up = until at least midnight the night before the gig, and then I got up a = 5:30am to pickup my percussionist and drive 3.5 hours to the art = festival. It was a arts festival that I signed up for...a pro bono gig = to support the arts. [postscript - my grandmother passed away a few = months later] So here is where the nightmare starts. We get to this little town where = the art fair is, and not only is it totally overcast, but there is new = snow on the mountains nearby (September), and we can see our breath as = we get out of my Jeep. First bad sign....my fingers don't work to well = on the guitar when it's that cold. So, it starts to warm up a bit, and = we discover that the sound man is behind schedule. We were supposed to = start at 11:30am, but we didn't even start doing a sound check until = 11:45pm. Then I had some major technical difficulties with my system, = getting both my guitar and the percussion to loop through my Gibson = Echoplexes, and come through the main channel of my mixer board...that = takes a while to troubleshoot. In the mean time...the lady that is = coordinating the whole thing is pressuring us to start playing....so = while we are working the bugs out, she decides to have the act after us = start part of their show, which incidentally was her singing in full = vibrato, church-lady style. Gasp! She finishes her song and we finally = start playing....but what the $#@!*&%!? My looped signal is not coming = through the main PA speakers....so in the panic mode, I just start = playing solo guitar style...some jingle-jangle jazz stuff...Aaron, my = percussionist and good friend adapts and plays his ashiko along with = me...no loops though...after that song, I decide to push a few buttons = on the board, and what the hell...my looped signal is coming through, = but there are no monitors, no percussion in the loops, and the looped = signal is not coming through my headphone signal, which is what we were = using for our monitors. Okay, I can deal with that...I can just rely on = what I hear in the main PA speakers. So we limp through our shorten set, = and then I discover probably the most ludicrous thing about this = event...the lady who coordinated it built ABSOLUTELY NO transitions = between the acts! Totally unbelievable. In other words, there is no = setup or teardown time before or after acts [and only one stage]. So = she's practically yelling at us to get our gear off the stage so that = the next act can start in, ehhhh, 30 seconds? Yeah right. We manage to = just scoot my rack off to the side, but the real kicker is that at 3pm = we are scheduled to play again, meaning we have to set all this shit up = again with no transition time, thus eating into our set. But it gets more ludicrous. After we get off the stage, we discover what = is lined up for the other performing acts. Totally crazy...5 old blue = hair women and a man who are dancing and singing on the state to = pre-recorded music. I mean, this is freakin' hilarious, everything from = the Charleston to clog dancing. And it's the same damn performers each = time...they just changed into different costumes in their tent and = played musical chairs. This was starting to seem like a sick and twisted = joke. Who the hell is going to come listen to an improvisational and = avant-garde looping duo when what they have to lure them into the area = are blue-haired church ladies singing with the most unbearable vibrato, = barely hobbling around with some old dance moves, etc? Talk about a = marketing/promotional fiasco. And the temperature outside gets colder, and colder....then my wife = calls me from home, and she had to take our 4-month girl twin to the = emergency room because she was cold, hands purple, etc...she was fine = eventually...long story but we discovered the source. And to top it off, = my wife and her mother (staying with us at the time) have both acquired = the stomach flu and are vomiting, trying to take care of the twins. They = end up calling our nanny to work on the weekend to help out. So, 3pm comes around and the schedule is now 1 hour behind....remember, = no transitions. I'm freezing, and I feel like I'm getting sick....yes, = most likely the stomach flu. We probably won't start playing until at = least 4:30, which puts me back home later than 9pm...not acceptable = given the situation at home. So I negotiate with the lady coordinator = and she thinks its fine that we just not play and leave. So we pack are = stuff up and drive off like bats out of hell.....good riddens, man. Aaron drives my Jeep because I have the cold chills and hot flashes, = plus I feel like I'm going to vomit. We finally make it home, I crawl = into bed, and spend the a good portion of the night in the bathroom, = ejecting fluids from every orifice in my body." Kris ----- Original Message -----=20 From: David Kirkdorffer=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 9:56 PM Subject: My worst looping gig... ....was when a very large and very drunken member of the audience came = up on stage while I was playing an unlikely spot called "The Chopping = Block" and recounted into the microphone his "special encounter" with = Michael Brook. He was actually quite entertaining, which was reason = enough for me to stop playing and just let the moment play out. What I = didn't realize fast enough was just how long it would take to share all = the details of this "special encounter."=20 and what about you?? ------=_NextPart_000_093F_01C80721.EC6953A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Here is my worst looping gig...copied = from my blog=20 at: http:= //krispenhartung.blogspot.com/2005_09_01_archive.html
 
 
"Yesterday was probably the worst = gig I ever=20 experienced...totally horrific. Just about everything that could have = gone=20 wrong, went wrong. To start, the night before my 85 year old grandma = slipped on=20 the hardwood for of my kitchen and landed on the back of her head, = knocking her=20 out unconscious, and bleeding profusely. We had to call the ambulance, = take her=20 to the emergency room at the hospital, and she has been in the hospital = since.=20 She is fine and they are keeping her in the hospital as a precaution, to = observe=20 her, take a cat scan to ensure there is no internal bleeding, = etc....main point=20 being that I was up until at least midnight the night before the gig, = and then I=20 got up a 5:30am to pickup my percussionist and drive 3.5 hours to the = art=20 festival. It was a arts festival that I signed up for...a pro bono gig = to=20 support the arts. [postscript - my grandmother passed away a few months=20 later]

So here is where the nightmare starts. We get to this = little town=20 where the art fair is, and not only is it totally overcast, but there is = new=20 snow on the mountains nearby (September), and we can see our breath as = we get=20 out of my Jeep. First bad sign....my fingers don't work to well on the = guitar=20 when it's that cold. So, it starts to warm up a bit, and we discover = that the=20 sound man is behind schedule. We were supposed to start at 11:30am, but = we=20 didn't even start doing a sound check until 11:45pm. Then I had some = major=20 technical difficulties with my system, getting both my guitar and the = percussion=20 to loop through my Gibson Echoplexes, and come through the main channel = of my=20 mixer board...that takes a while to troubleshoot. In the mean time...the = lady=20 that is coordinating the whole thing is pressuring us to start = playing....so=20 while we are working the bugs out, she decides to have the act after us = start=20 part of their show, which incidentally was her singing in full = vibrato,=20 church-lady style. Gasp! She finishes her song and we finally start=20 playing....but what the $#@!*&%!? My looped=20 signal is not coming through the main PA speakers....so in the panic = mode, I=20 just start playing solo guitar style...some jingle-jangle jazz = stuff...Aaron, my=20 percussionist and good friend adapts and plays his ashiko along with = me...no=20 loops though...after that song, I decide to push a few buttons on the = board, and=20 what the hell...my looped signal is coming through, but there are no = monitors,=20 no percussion in the loops, and the looped signal is not coming through = my=20 headphone signal, which is what we were using for our monitors. Okay, I = can deal=20 with that...I can just rely on what I hear in the main PA speakers. So = we limp=20 through our shorten set, and then I discover probably the most ludicrous = thing=20 about this event...the lady who coordinated it built ABSOLUTELY NO = transitions=20 between the acts! Totally unbelievable. In other words, there is no = setup or=20 teardown time before or after acts [and only one stage]. So she's = practically=20 yelling at us to get our gear off the stage so that the next act can = start in,=20 ehhhh, 30 seconds? Yeah right. We manage to just scoot my rack off to = the side,=20 but the real kicker is that at 3pm we are scheduled to play again, = meaning we=20 have to set all this shit up again with no transition time, thus eating = into our=20 set.

But it gets more ludicrous. After we get off the stage, we = discover=20 what is lined up for the other performing acts. Totally crazy...5 old = blue hair=20 women and a man who are dancing and singing on the state to pre-recorded = music.=20 I mean, this is freakin' hilarious, everything from the Charleston to = clog=20 dancing. And it's the same damn performers each time...they just changed = into=20 different costumes in their tent and played musical chairs. This was = starting to=20 seem like a sick and twisted joke. Who the hell is going to come listen = to an=20 improvisational and avant-garde looping duo when what they have to lure = them=20 into the area are blue-haired church ladies singing with the most = unbearable=20 vibrato, barely hobbling around with some old dance moves, etc? Talk = about a=20 marketing/promotional fiasco.


And the temperature outside = gets=20 colder, and colder....then my wife calls me from home, and she had to = take our=20 4-month girl twin to the emergency room because she was cold, hands = purple,=20 etc...she was fine eventually...long story but we discovered the source. = And to=20 top it off, my wife and her mother (staying with us at the time) have = both=20 acquired the stomach flu and are vomiting, trying to take care of the = twins.=20 They end up calling our nanny to work on the weekend to help = out.

So, 3pm=20 comes around and the schedule is now 1 hour behind....remember, no = transitions.=20 I'm freezing, and I feel like I'm getting sick....yes, most likely the = stomach=20 flu. We probably won't start playing until at least 4:30, which puts me = back=20 home later than 9pm...not acceptable given the situation at home. So I = negotiate=20 with the lady coordinator and she thinks its fine that we just not play = and=20 leave. So we pack are stuff up and drive off like bats out of = hell.....good=20 riddens, man.

Aaron drives my Jeep because I have the cold chills = and hot=20 flashes, plus I feel like I'm going to vomit. We finally make it home, I = crawl=20 into bed, and spend the a good portion of the night in the bathroom, = ejecting=20 fluids from every orifice in my body."
 
Kris
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 David=20 Kirkdorffer
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Thursday, October 04, = 2007 9:56=20 PM
Subject: My worst looping = gig...

....was when a very large and very = drunken member=20 of the audience came up on stage while I was playing an unlikely spot = called=20 "The Chopping Block" and recounted into the microphone his "special = encounter"=20 with Michael Brook.  He was actually quite entertaining, which = was reason=20 enough for me to stop playing and just let the moment play out.  = What I=20 didn't realize fast enough was just how long it would take to share = all the=20 details of this "special encounter."
 
and what about=20 you??
------=_NextPart_000_093F_01C80721.EC6953A0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 5 14:22:47 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0B76B3BF60; Fri, 5 Oct 2007 14:22:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=vBIAsSRP5VXEB0El2mB2fata18BW54MJQODQ11UhL08=; b=X/elsNpisNGGDFoRVWJWzmv7I+3H1XnYF1GfxWcdd3PevhE2/qFvhkucDueSMa2RuxxVnOZMI/XwyX5ZQBamjcYxEVK+clHUHCcqg1vIRJoNVS48CfbfZxjiN37tqKQl1W8zOXS8hwjtv/A/vUCCAlnWCcovMed8s4lUiIzXIFE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=PlC5qARq8QTlahy2cKONcgT67d1tYosPpiYHu2MCH6xNg95jRs7QbawGH0AMfL/Aa2lkSPD5/NEq0XIeTn8ffiOpb3/4UoyL6BchPTcmnSe5aKLdUbtzK82p1tNu/IgM+Pv5wyYXR6NlWAsD7PtlpPz6hxbubTPN8VZZ1z1jNoI= Message-ID: Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2007 16:22:43 +0200 From: "Raul Bonell" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT:guitar-X-s/pdif In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/75201 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2007 14:22:46 +0000 (UTC) thanks guys... being more specific: battery, hitting a conical s/pdif, and hi-z for gt./bass input. other option, would be to get one of those line6,m-audio,behringer,... tiny usb ports. does anybody have experience with guitar oriented usb interfaces? thanks again, raul. 2007/10/5, Mech : > At 6:35 PM +0200 10/4/07, Raul Bonell wrote: > >may somebody recommend me a cheap/clean way to convert directly > >the output of my guitar into the s/pdif input of a laptop? > > BTW, you didn't specify: do you need coax or optical S/PDIF (or does > it not matter)? > > Take a look at the Behringer V-Verb. Musician's Fiend [sic] is doing > a special on them right now for $99: > > http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/Behringer-VVERB-PRO-REV2496-Reverb-Modeling-Processor?sku=182490 > > I only recently grabbed one, but it seems like a nice reverb/delay > unit. Not to mention it has both AES/EBU XLR and TOSLINK built into > the back (you can elect to send S/PDIF out the XLR's too, IIRC). If > you need co-ax, I believe there's a wiring hack that let's you use > XLR into RCA-type co-ax jacks. It's been a while since I found that > one out on the net, though, so you may need to do a Google for it. > > And, if you want a kickass delay pedal with a built in Looper thrown > in extra, the Yamaha UD-Stomp has co-ax S/PDIF built into it. That > one's going to set you back a little, as their value on Ebay has held > (or even increased) since they were discontinued, though. However, > it does get us back on topic by a little. ;) > > --m. > -- > _____ > "the wind in my heart; the dust in my head...." > > -- The Playing Orchestra: http://www.telefonica.net/web2/tpo Chain Tape Collective: http://www.ct-collective.com TPO at myspace: http://www.myspace.com/theplayingorchestra From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 5 14:23:05 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E130C3BF73; Fri, 5 Oct 2007 14:23:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 05 Oct 2007 16:23:03 +0200 From: "Buzap Buzap" In-Reply-To: <47062D46.9070207@tiscali.co.uk> Message-ID: <20071005142303.119990@gmx.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20071005080829.92040@gmx.net> <716FB4BF-3A51-4C0A-82A9-19E4A15383CD@gmail.com> <20071005102945.278030@gmx.net> <47062D46.9070207@tiscali.co.uk> Subject: Re: Following Acoustic Musicians with Looper To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Authenticated: #33233833 X-Flags: 0001 X-Mailer: WWW-Mail 6100 (Global Message Exchange) X-Priority: 3 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX18SlTQMksAShaqbExiov5YHa7hCpj3UCHylpeh3WI RzktFrsmHTD6uRV3mObKrrum6qa6S5vHz75w== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-GMX-UID: oSxuCuRPbHIhc9sjwjU0e2EiJihyapAa Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/75202 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2007 14:23:05 +0000 (UTC) Hi guys first of all, I'm glad to have started such a fruitful discussion :) So, some comments: To me, it is important not only to lead the gang with my looping but also be able to follow (what if the other guys _are_ the drummer+bass player?). People already look at me in strange ways when I come up with my looper. I think you can earn quite some respect when you are also able to follow others decently. Plus, it's simply my desire for musical freedom. In the situation I had described, an accordeonist was leading this ethnic rubato style song with _very_ free tempo. The song wouldn't be the same (not "breathing") if we'd stick to my stuff. Anyway, some ideas/best practices I've developed in the mean time: Since you have to keep track of the time of the others constantly anyway, you can do this: - Put everything that is like ambient sound on a loop (or seperate delay pedal) - Fire the ryhthmical stuff as one shot samples i.e. you record a rhythmic pattern of 4 beats. So that means, you have to press the pedal at the exact time in every bar to trigger your one-shot-loop. (The drummer uses his pedals all the time, so why shouldnt you?). The good thing is, even if the tempo varies a bit, you are still on track. So you keep on stomping through the whole song... (poor pedal) On the RC-50 I would work it like this (forgot to deactivate TEMPO SYNC in my last mail btw): - Make the following settings: - SINGLE MODE - no loop sync, turn off tempo sync for all three phrases, turn down Rhythm knob to off - Assuming your loop is 4 beats do this: - Start looping (begin with a distinct sound on beat 1) - Play your 4 beats - Keep on recording i.e. alltogether 8/12 beats - Run your phrase as continuous loop - Retrigger (Stutter) by pressing PHRASE pedal every 4 beats - That means you are rhythmically pressing the pedal on every beat 1 - If you go into OVERDUB mode quickly, you can sneak in some more stuff in the first 4 beats (or some ambient sounds in beats 1-12) If you want to add ambient layers, I'd recommend using a seperate delay pedal. (There is also a workaround in MULTI MODE using external pedals, one phrase as ambient loop and the others as one-shot-loops - but complicated). I hope this hasn't been too confusing. I'm still experimenting. But I've discovered new ways to use my looper today :-)) Best regards Buzap -- GMX FreeMail: 1 GB Postfach, 5 E-Mail-Adressen, 10 Free SMS. Alle Infos un