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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 1 18:27:20 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 95D0D3BEEA; Fri, 1 Jun 2007 18:27:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <46606508.2000606@f2s.com> Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2007 19:27:20 +0100 From: Bill Trible User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.12 (Windows/20070509) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Mobius References: <20070601110758.DMC50400@ms02.lnh.mail.rcn.net> <42130AEB-CBC0-4472-A0DB-EC6E73BAC1E3@mac.com> In-Reply-To: <42130AEB-CBC0-4472-A0DB-EC6E73BAC1E3@mac.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------080703070006010402010704" Resent-Message-ID: <1xIVOB.A.RqH.IUGYGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70692 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2007 18:27:20 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------080703070006010402010704 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Can anyone give me a hand setting up Mobius? In particular I want to use in in sync with a metronome from Ableton live that I can pass onto a drummer... sync settings are a little confusing. Thanks! Teddy wrote: > http://myspace.com/mistershifty > > thanks for asking > > Teddy > > On Jun 1, 2007, at 11:07 AM, ron wrote: > >> Teddy, >> >> Got any mp3's on line. I want to get more involved with looping >> specifically with the style your refering to, and less ambient. >> Would like to hear more of what others are doing in this area. >> >> Ron > > -- http://www.myspace.com/infancy --------------080703070006010402010704 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Can anyone give me a hand setting up Mobius? In particular I want to use in in sync with a metronome from Ableton live that I can pass onto a drummer... sync settings are a little confusing.

Thanks!

Teddy wrote:
http://myspace.com/mistershifty

thanks for asking

Teddy

On Jun 1, 2007, at 11:07 AM, ron wrote:

Teddy,

Got any mp3's on line. I want to get more involved with looping specifically with the style your refering to, and less ambient.   Would like to hear more of what others are doing in this area.

Ron

-- http://www.myspace.com/infancy
--------------080703070006010402010704-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 1 18:39:49 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2B05A3BF05; Fri, 1 Jun 2007 18:39:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: Mobius Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2007 13:40:00 -0500 Message-ID: <3B760999C264454D82652640BB74075C370693@keel.sailpoint.com> In-Reply-To: <46606508.2000606@f2s.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Mobius Thread-Index: Aceken62TATS0tXzQ9SSM1ST/A6QfQAAUqgQ References: <20070601110758.DMC50400@ms02.lnh.mail.rcn.net> <42130AEB-CBC0-4472-A0DB-EC6E73BAC1E3@mac.com> <46606508.2000606@f2s.com> From: "Jeff Larson" To: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70693 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2007 18:39:49 +0000 (UTC) > Can anyone give me a hand setting up Mobius? =20 =20 Please consider joining the Mobius Yahoo group=20 at groups.yahoo.com/group/zonemobius. Most=20 Mobius support questions are handled over there. =20 > In particular I want to use in in sync with a metronome from Ableton > live that I can pass onto a drummer... sync settings are a little > confusing. =20 If you want Ableton to be in control of the tempo, then you will set Mobius to use either the "Host Bar" or "Host Beat" sync modes. =20 =20 Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 1 18:40:48 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 55B7A3BEF7; Fri, 1 Jun 2007 18:40:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <46606508.2000606@f2s.com> References: <20070601110758.DMC50400@ms02.lnh.mail.rcn.net> <42130AEB-CBC0-4472-A0DB-EC6E73BAC1E3@mac.com> <46606508.2000606@f2s.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-4-552556608 Message-Id: From: Mark Sottilaro Subject: Re: Mobius Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2007 11:40:19 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70694 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2007 18:40:48 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-4-552556608 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed A lot depends on how you work, but setting the sync to something like HOST/BAR is a good start. Join the Mobius list! http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/zonemobius/ They're all super helpful. On Jun 1, 2007, at 11:27 AM, Bill Trible wrote: > Can anyone give me a hand setting up Mobius? In particular I want > to use in in sync with a metronome from Ableton live that I can > pass onto a drummer... sync settings are a little confusing. > > Thanks! > > Teddy wrote: >> http://myspace.com/mistershifty >> >> thanks for asking >> >> Teddy >> >> On Jun 1, 2007, at 11:07 AM, ron wrote: >> >>> Teddy, >>> >>> Got any mp3's on line. I want to get more involved with looping >>> specifically with the style your refering to, and less ambient. >>> Would like to hear more of what others are doing in this area. >>> >>> Ron >> >> > > -- > http://www.myspace.com/infancy --Apple-Mail-4-552556608 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 A lot depends on how you work, = but setting the sync to something like HOST/BAR is a good start.

Join the Mobius list!=A0 http://tech.groups= .yahoo.com/group/zonemobius/=A0They're all super = helpful.

On Jun 1, = 2007, at 11:27 AM, Bill Trible wrote:

Can anyone give me a hand setting = up Mobius?=A0 In particular I want to use in in sync with a metronome = from Ableton live that I can pass onto a drummer... sync settings are a = little confusing.

Thanks!

Teddy wrote: =
http://myspace.com/mistershifty

thanks for = asking

=
Teddy

On Jun 1, 2007, at 11:07 AM, = ron wrote:

Teddy,

Got any mp3's on line. I want to get = more involved with looping specifically with the style your refering to, = and less ambient.=A0=A0 Would like to hear more of what others are doing = in this area.

Ron
=

=

--=20 http://www.myspace.com/infancy=

= --Apple-Mail-4-552556608-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 1 18:46:01 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5BA963BF13; Fri, 1 Jun 2007 18:46:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <46606960.900@f2s.com> Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2007 19:45:52 +0100 From: Bill Trible User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.12 (Windows/20070509) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Mobius References: <20070601110758.DMC50400@ms02.lnh.mail.rcn.net> <42130AEB-CBC0-4472-A0DB-EC6E73BAC1E3@mac.com> <46606508.2000606@f2s.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------040703060208050906070809" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70695 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2007 18:46:01 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------040703060208050906070809 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit wicked, thanks! will do.. Mark Sottilaro wrote: > A lot depends on how you work, but setting the sync to something like > HOST/BAR is a good start. > > Join the Mobius list! > http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/zonemobius/ They're all super helpful. > > > On Jun 1, 2007, at 11:27 AM, Bill Trible wrote: > >> Can anyone give me a hand setting up Mobius? In particular I want to >> use in in sync with a metronome from Ableton live that I can pass >> onto a drummer... sync settings are a little confusing. >> >> Thanks! >> >> Teddy wrote: >>> http://myspace.com/mistershifty >>> >>> thanks for asking >>> >>> Teddy >>> >>> On Jun 1, 2007, at 11:07 AM, ron wrote: >>> >>>> Teddy, >>>> >>>> Got any mp3's on line. I want to get more involved with looping >>>> specifically with the style your refering to, and less ambient. >>>> Would like to hear more of what others are doing in this area. >>>> >>>> Ron >>> >>> >> >> -- >> http://www.myspace.com/infancy > -- http://www.myspace.com/infancy --------------040703060208050906070809 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit wicked, thanks!

will do..

Mark Sottilaro wrote:
A lot depends on how you work, but setting the sync to something like HOST/BAR is a good start.

Join the Mobius list! http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/zonemobius/ They're all super helpful.

On Jun 1, 2007, at 11:27 AM, Bill Trible wrote:

Can anyone give me a hand setting up Mobius? In particular I want to use in in sync with a metronome from Ableton live that I can pass onto a drummer... sync settings are a little confusing.

Thanks!

Teddy wrote:
http://myspace.com/mistershifty

thanks for asking

Teddy

On Jun 1, 2007, at 11:07 AM, ron wrote:

Teddy,

Got any mp3's on line. I want to get more involved with looping specifically with the style your refering to, and less ambient.   Would like to hear more of what others are doing in this area.

Ron

-- http://www.myspace.com/infancy

-- http://www.myspace.com/infancy
--------------040703060208050906070809-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 1 19:41:20 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6FFC73BEFC; Fri, 1 Jun 2007 19:41:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: AW: OT: VST plugin to do balance/pan function Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2007 21:41:36 +0200 Organization: Moinlabs Message-ID: <001a01c7a484$ddbb0c90$1001a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_001B_01C7A495.A143DC90" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Thread-Index: Acd9Py8ayYFKZfLCRPC65A76w1xPvQnRYbqg X-RZG-AUTH: lUESeo99iNzPL8kuBgLYdKEqUywq9cxqeRA+BtFcSCD5deQ7OINJAdr9p/g= X-RZG-CLASS-ID: mo07 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70696 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2007 19:41:20 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001B_01C7A495.A143DC90 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hey os, I'd like to come back to your offer below...short answer: I need it for Windows. Long answer: please find enclosed a reqspec for the thing. Thanks, Rainer Requirement specification for a VST plugin for Windows XP platforms = which allows for panning of mono sources and =93balancing=94 of stereo = sources, in the following called =84panner=93 =20 001 The panner shall be implemented as a VST plugin for Windows XP platforms = as a stereo in/stereo out device and shall be able to function with common = bit depths and sample rates up to 32bit/96kHz. 002 The panner shall have at least one control (=93panpot=94). 002a The panpot shall provide one real value to the panner ranging from = -1=85+1. 0 shall be defined as =93center position=94. -1 shall be defined as = =93hard left=94. +1 shall be defined as =93hard right=94. This value shall be called = =93p=94 003 The panner=92s controls shall be controllable within Ableton Live by = MIDI commands. 004 The panner shall function as a 2 in, 2 out mixer which sends a = combination of the two channels of the stereo input pair (IL and IR) to the two = channels of the stereo output pair (OL and OR) defined by a mathematical transformation. 005 The mathematical transformation shall be of the form OL =3D IL*f(p) + IR*g(p) OR =3D IL*f(-p)) + IR*g(-p) with f, g real functions of p. 006 There shall be at least one choice of function pairs f, g. 007 There shall be one choice of functions f, g as follows: f =3D 1 ; p < 0 f =3D 1-p ; otherwise. g =3D 1-f. 008 If the number of function pairs is greater than one, there shall be a control for selecting the function. 009 If the selected functions f,g are continuous, changing p may not lead to signal artifacts. 010 The panner shall be optimized for resource-friendlyness, i.e. it shall = not tax the host computer=92s CPU or main memory more than necessary. =20 > -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- > Von: expertsleepers@googlemail.com > [mailto:expertsleepers@googlemail.com] Im Auftrag von Os > Gesendet: Donnerstag, 12. April 2007 22:14 > An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Betreff: Re: OT: VST plugin to do balance/pan function > > I could write you one pretty quickly. Do you need it for Mac > or Windows? > > > cheers, > os. > > > On 12/04/07, Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill > wrote: > > I need a pan/balance thing to put in my signal chain in > Live in front > > of Mobius. It should be a stereo in/stereo out VST and do > the following: > > > > It should be basically a dual mono in/stereo out thing with pan > > functions in each input and one dial controlling them. If > the dial is > > centered, the pan settings should be left for the left > input and right > > for the right input. If you turn the dial to the left, the right > > channel's pan setting should be turned to the left, if you turn the > > dial to the right, the left channel's pan setting should be > turned to the right. > > > > And perhaps different settings for level compensation. > > > > Is something like this available? > > > > Rainer > > > > > > > -- > os@collective.co.uk > http://www.collective.co.uk/ > http://www.myspace.com/darkroomtheband > >=20 ------=_NextPart_000_001B_01C7A495.A143DC90 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hey os,

I'd like to = come back to your offer = below...short=20 answer: I need it for Windows.

Long answer: please find enclosed a reqspec for = the=20 thing.

Thanks,

          =   =20 Rainer

Requirement = specification for=20 a VST plugin for Windows XP platforms which allows for panning of mono = sources=20 and =93balancing=94 of stereo sources, in the following called=20 =84panner=93

001

The panner = shall be=20 implemented as a VST plugin for Windows XP platforms as a stereo = in/stereo=20 out device and shall be able to function with common bit depths = and sample=20 rates up to 32bit/96kHz.

002

The panner = shall have at=20 least one control = (=93panpot=94).

002a

The panpot = shall provide=20 one real value to the panner ranging from -1=85+1. 0 shall be = defined as=20 =93center position=94. -1 shall be defined as =93hard left=94. +1 = shall be defined=20 as =93hard right=94. This value shall be called=20 =93p=94

003

The = panner=92s controls=20 shall be controllable within Ableton Live by MIDI = commands.

004

The panner = shall=20 function as a 2 in, 2 out mixer which sends a combination of the = two=20 channels of the stereo input pair (IL and IR) to the two channels = of the=20 stereo output pair (OL and OR) defined by a mathematical=20 transformation.

005

The = mathematical=20 transformation shall be of the form

OL =3D = IL*f(p) +=20 IR*g(p)

OR =3D = IL*f(-p)) +=20 IR*g(-p)

with f, g = real functions=20 of p.

006

There shall = be at least=20 one choice of function pairs f, = g.

007

There shall = be one=20 choice of functions f, g as follows:

f =3D 1    ; p <=20 0

f =3D 1-p ;=20 otherwise.

g =3D=20 1-f.

008

If the = number of=20 function pairs is greater than one, there shall be a control for = selecting=20 the function.

009

If the = selected=20 functions f,g are continuous, changing p may not lead to signal=20 artifacts.

010

The panner = shall be=20 optimized for resource-friendlyness, i.e. it shall not tax the = host=20 computer=92s CPU or main memory more than=20 = necessary.

> -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht-----
> Von:=20 expertsleepers@googlemail.com
> [mailto:expertsleepers@googl= email.com]=20 Im Auftrag von Os
> Gesendet: Donnerstag, 12. April 2007 = 22:14
> An:=20 Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
> Betreff: Re: OT: VST plugin = to do=20 balance/pan function
>
> I could write you one pretty = quickly. Do=20 you need it for Mac
> or Windows?
>
>
> = cheers,
>=20 os.
>
>
> On 12/04/07, Rainer Thelonius Balthasar=20 Straschill
> <rs@moinlabs.de> wrote:
> > I need a=20 pan/balance thing to put in my signal chain in
> Live in = front
>=20 > of Mobius. It should be a stereo in/stereo out VST and do
> = the=20 following:
> >
> > It should be basically a dual mono=20 in/stereo out thing with pan
> > functions in each input and = one dial=20 controlling them. If
> the dial is
> > centered, the pan = settings=20 should be left for the left
> input and right
> > for the = right=20 input. If you turn the dial to the left, the right
> > = channel's pan=20 setting should be turned to the left, if you turn the
> > dial = to the=20 right, the left channel's pan setting should be
> turned to the=20 right.
> >
> > And perhaps different settings for = level=20 compensation.
> >
> > Is something like this=20 available?
> >
>=20 >         Rainer
> = >
>=20 >
>
>
> --
> os@collective.co.uk
> http://www.collective.co.uk/> http://www.myspace.com/da= rkroomtheband
>
>=20
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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 2 05:10:02 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2C5593BEFF; Sat, 2 Jun 2007 05:10:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Jens Wolters" To: Subject: do we need a forum ? Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2007 07:10:07 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0006_01C7A4E5.0D323A10" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 Thread-Index: Acek1Ekvz2R4XqacQ7uf6tXw/SOLpg== X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Message-Id: <20070602051000.3EB0E3BEF1@arsenic.violacea.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70698 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2007 05:10:02 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0006_01C7A4E5.0D323A10 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi guys, I have been following the loopers delight list for quite a while. But after some time I always tend to unsubscribe. There is just too much mail in my mail account. Also I find it really hard to follow the existing threads. I wish there was a forum on Loopers Delight. What do you guys think? Of course it would be nice to have it on http://www.loopers-delight.com . But if that is not possible or wanted, I can provide domain, hosting and setting up the forum Just let me know if you would be interested. Greetings Jens ------=_NextPart_000_0006_01C7A4E5.0D323A10 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi guys,

I have been following the loopers delight list = for quite a while. But after some time I always tend to unsubscribe. There = is just too much mail in my mail account.

Also I find it really hard to follow the = existing threads.

I wish there was a forum on Loopers Delight. What do you guys = think?

Of course it would be nice to have it on http://www.loopers-delight.com. But if that is not possible or wanted, I can provide domain, hosting and = setting up the forum

Just let me know if you would be = interested.

Greetings Jens

------=_NextPart_000_0006_01C7A4E5.0D323A10-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 2 05:13:55 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4F07C3BEF6; Sat, 2 Jun 2007 05:13:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <49433.68.123.26.152.1180761233.squirrel@webmail.zerocrossing.net> In-Reply-To: <20070602051000.3EB0E3BEF1@arsenic.violacea.com> References: <20070602051000.3EB0E3BEF1@arsenic.violacea.com> Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2007 22:13:53 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: do we need a forum ? From: sine@zerocrossing.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.9a MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <2l1LF.A.PiF.SyPYGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70699 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2007 05:13:55 +0000 (UTC) Ah, it must be summer... I kid. We get emails such as this every now and then and basically Kim says, "no." I'd be into it though... personally. I love the way kvraudio.com works. Mark > Hi guys, > > > > I have been following the loopers delight list for quite a while. But > after > some time I always tend to unsubscribe. There is just too much mail in my > mail account. > > Also I find it really hard to follow the existing threads. > > I wish there was a forum on Loopers Delight. What do you guys think? > > Of course it would be nice to have it on http://www.loopers-delight.com > . But if that is not possible or wanted, > I > can provide domain, hosting and setting up the forum > > > > Just let me know if you would be interested. > > Greetings Jens > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 2 05:16:07 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5472C3BEFB; Sat, 2 Jun 2007 05:16:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Jens Wolters" To: Subject: AW: do we need a forum ? Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2007 07:16:14 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 Thread-Index: Acek1NI0pfnuDsiTSaaFUkStTHTi0wAAEjwg X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 In-Reply-To: <49433.68.123.26.152.1180761233.squirrel@webmail.zerocrossing.net> Message-Id: <20070602051606.71A7B3BEE9@arsenic.violacea.com> Resent-Message-ID: <8Jh0oC.A.nxF.W0PYGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70700 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2007 05:16:07 +0000 (UTC) Ah ok. What is the reason for saying "no" ? -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- Von: sine@zerocrossing.net [mailto:sine@zerocrossing.net]=20 Gesendet: Samstag, 2. Juni 2007 07:14 An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Betreff: Re: do we need a forum ? Ah, it must be summer... I kid. We get emails such as this every now and then and basically Kim says, "no." I'd be into it though... personally. I love the way kvraudio.com works. Mark > Hi guys, > > > > I have been following the loopers delight list for quite a while. But > after > some time I always tend to unsubscribe. There is just too much mail in = my > mail account. > > Also I find it really hard to follow the existing threads. > > I wish there was a forum on Loopers Delight. What do you guys think? > > Of course it would be nice to have it on = http://www.loopers-delight.com > . But if that is not possible or = wanted, > I > can provide domain, hosting and setting up the forum > > > > Just let me know if you would be interested. > > Greetings Jens > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 2 05:18:37 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 131B63BF00; Sat, 2 Jun 2007 05:18:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Jens Wolters" To: Subject: AW: do we need a forum ? Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2007 07:18:43 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 Thread-Index: Acek1NI0pfnuDsiTSaaFUkStTHTi0wAAHJwg X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 In-Reply-To: <49433.68.123.26.152.1180761233.squirrel@webmail.zerocrossing.net> Message-Id: <20070602051836.56BA33BEF0@arsenic.violacea.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70701 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2007 05:18:36 +0000 (UTC) I looked at kvraudio.com. Do mean just the forum or the whole site? This site is a portal and a lot of work to do.=20 -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- Von: sine@zerocrossing.net [mailto:sine@zerocrossing.net]=20 Gesendet: Samstag, 2. Juni 2007 07:14 An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Betreff: Re: do we need a forum ? Ah, it must be summer... I kid. We get emails such as this every now and then and basically Kim says, "no." I'd be into it though... personally. I love the way kvraudio.com works. Mark > Hi guys, > > > > I have been following the loopers delight list for quite a while. But > after > some time I always tend to unsubscribe. There is just too much mail in = my > mail account. > > Also I find it really hard to follow the existing threads. > > I wish there was a forum on Loopers Delight. What do you guys think? > > Of course it would be nice to have it on = http://www.loopers-delight.com > . But if that is not possible or = wanted, > I > can provide domain, hosting and setting up the forum > > > > Just let me know if you would be interested. > > Greetings Jens > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 2 05:23:24 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 85FC13BEF9; Sat, 2 Jun 2007 05:23:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <49460.68.123.26.152.1180761804.squirrel@webmail.zerocrossing.net> In-Reply-To: <20070602051836.56BA33BEF0@arsenic.violacea.com> References: <49433.68.123.26.152.1180761233.squirrel@webmail.zerocrossing.net> <20070602051836.56BA33BEF0@arsenic.violacea.com> Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2007 22:23:24 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: AW: do we need a forum ? From: sine@zerocrossing.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.9a MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70702 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2007 05:23:24 +0000 (UTC) Well, I like the whole site, but I was talking about their forum. I'm not sure why he doesn't like the forum form instead of the list... I'm sure I've read it but I've long forgotten. Kim? > I looked at kvraudio.com. Do mean just the forum or the whole site? This > site is a portal and a lot of work to do. > > -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- > Von: sine@zerocrossing.net [mailto:sine@zerocrossing.net] > Gesendet: Samstag, 2. Juni 2007 07:14 > An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Betreff: Re: do we need a forum ? > > Ah, it must be summer... > > I kid. We get emails such as this every now and then and basically Kim > says, "no." > > I'd be into it though... personally. I love the way kvraudio.com works. > > Mark > >> Hi guys, >> >> >> >> I have been following the loopers delight list for quite a while. But >> after >> some time I always tend to unsubscribe. There is just too much mail in >> my >> mail account. >> >> Also I find it really hard to follow the existing threads. >> >> I wish there was a forum on Loopers Delight. What do you guys think? >> >> Of course it would be nice to have it on http://www.loopers-delight.com >> . But if that is not possible or >> wanted, >> I >> can provide domain, hosting and setting up the forum >> >> >> >> Just let me know if you would be interested. >> >> Greetings Jens >> >> >> >> > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 2 05:35:00 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 732453BEF8; Sat, 2 Jun 2007 05:35:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=l6oHvdyeI5bK5peEaziukiuz88pcFbWUq4hDvKZ2tH+tDY0XsODZvFPrsSPP+HmOhqs3Z/VggXCER8mcqg52jX7hhncEFt2Xcw5unGnWTRSsaohEZyNcmF8waNBtLtA2I5Z3zdHE3hJTkhAy8ESTP1E89n/K5SoZm+OFpmjQ97w= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=OUfL1tlJKQ8eGJ0CA9q4uF//BE/RtLMXHPsv1YDeKddFyElsQF8UgOWm0hh01gldaKIDSbZTCWognZOjD+4Dv8yznEYYP+4I0yQ46QSlQM6gLtycnaRIkxIKjOvwM20Xvn0YJ3YzTHrkoetFxSzhD0VK6AxYwE/h2Ha/FvglERw= Message-ID: Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2007 22:34:58 -0700 From: "Michael Billow" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: AW: do we need a forum ? In-Reply-To: <49460.68.123.26.152.1180761804.squirrel@webmail.zerocrossing.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_13482_25455343.1180762498043" References: <49433.68.123.26.152.1180761233.squirrel@webmail.zerocrossing.net> <20070602051836.56BA33BEF0@arsenic.violacea.com> <49460.68.123.26.152.1180761804.squirrel@webmail.zerocrossing.net> Resent-Message-ID: <5ee5d.A.4_G.EGQYGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70703 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2007 05:35:00 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_13482_25455343.1180762498043 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Personally it would be helpful if the moderator could put "LoopersDelight" in the heading of all emails sent out, like my other Yahoo groups do - I ca= n deal with lots of emails, but it gets difficult to sort these out from my regular emails without that distinction in the subject line. On 6/1/07, sine@zerocrossing.net wrote: > > Well, I like the whole site, but I was talking about their forum. > > I'm not sure why he doesn't like the forum form instead of the list... I'= m > sure I've read it but I've long forgotten. Kim? > > > I looked at kvraudio.com. Do mean just the forum or the whole site? Thi= s > > site is a portal and a lot of work to do. > > > > -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- > > Von: sine@zerocrossing.net [mailto:sine@zerocrossing.net] > > Gesendet: Samstag, 2. Juni 2007 07:14 > > An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > Betreff: Re: do we need a forum ? > > > > Ah, it must be summer... > > > > I kid. We get emails such as this every now and then and basically Kim > > says, "no." > > > > I'd be into it though... personally. I love the way kvraudio.com works= . > > > > Mark > > > >> Hi guys, > >> > >> > >> > >> I have been following the loopers delight list for quite a while. But > >> after > >> some time I always tend to unsubscribe. There is just too much mail in > >> my > >> mail account. > >> > >> Also I find it really hard to follow the existing threads. > >> > >> I wish there was a forum on Loopers Delight. What do you guys think? > >> > >> Of course it would be nice to have it on http://www.loopers-delight.co= m > >> . But if that is not possible or > >> wanted, > >> I > >> can provide domain, hosting and setting up the forum > >> > >> > >> > >> Just let me know if you would be interested. > >> > >> Greetings Jens > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > ------=_Part_13482_25455343.1180762498043 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Personally it would be helpful if the moderator could put "LoopersDeli= ght" in the heading of all emails sent out, like my other Yahoo groups= do - I can deal with lots of emails, but it gets difficult to sort these o= ut from my regular emails without that distinction in the subject line.

On 6/1/07, sine@zerocrossing.net <sine@zerocrossing.net&g= t; wrote:
Well, I li= ke the whole site, but I was talking about their forum.

I'm not = sure why he doesn't like the forum form instead of the list... I'm
sure I've read it but I've long forgotten.  Kim?
<= br>> I looked at kvraudio.com. Do me= an just the forum or the whole site? This
> site is a portal and a lo= t of work to do.
>
> -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: sine@zerocrossing.net [mailto:sine@zerocrossing.net]
> Gesend= et: Samstag, 2. Juni 2007 07:14
> An: Loopers= -Delight@loopers-delight.com
> Betreff: Re: do we need a forum ?<= br>>
> Ah, it must be summer...
>
> I kid.  = We get emails such as this every now and then and basically Kim
> says, "no."
>
> I'd be into it though...= personally.  I love the way kvra= udio.com works.
>
> Mark
>
>> Hi guys,
&g= t;>
>>
>>
>> I have been following the loopers delight = list for quite a while. But
>> after
>> some time I alway= s tend to unsubscribe. There is just too much mail in
>> my
>> mail account.
>>
>> Also I find it really hard t= o follow the existing threads.
>>
>> I wish there was a f= orum on Loopers Delight. What do you guys think?
>>
>> Of= course it would be nice to have it on=20 http://www.loopers-delight.com
>> <http://www.l= oopers-delight.com/> . But if that is not possible or
>> wa= nted,
>> I
>> can provide domain, hosting and setting up the f= orum
>>
>>
>>
>> Just let me know if yo= u would be interested.
>>
>> Greetings Jens
>>
>>
>>
>>
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------=_Part_13482_25455343.1180762498043-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 2 06:21:07 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B5E233BEFA; Sat, 2 Jun 2007 06:21:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=JVvlGb2P8wv6JxrI6vwVqhKsrc3zbr+2p9Z/dO5pCsMa3N0t/0EI+mdQSWBm0biRWb1tQkChiMmWj9McxeAuJUlsBAFCz6dYjM2QufNNRxhPDEjB9216KQ6dEcYV5ukexAYHDLgaPSobBm8xMAVJHZlSHBobiGXSP3EiXMzetfM=; X-YMail-OSG: BSpwp6oVM1m_p7Okk6haVnIE5vdwwJvP4AAGnvLwb4AxM_Ee0Toz8FHZNZus9EPVZJNH_VSGhJnCZRafkiTWALdEEadNHAxDYOROw5WFq1zjmCOKBYRGKH.U.dP3Jw-- Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2007 23:21:05 -0700 (PDT) From: John Tidwell Subject: Re: AW: do we need a forum ? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <578634.50973.qm@web34809.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70704 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2007 06:21:07 +0000 (UTC) --- Michael Billow wrote: > Personally it would be helpful if the moderator > could put "LoopersDelight" > in the heading of all emails sent out, like my other > Yahoo groups do - I can > deal with lots of emails, but it gets difficult to > sort these out from my > regular emails without that distinction in the > subject line. My Yahoo Mail has no problem filtering the LD mail to its own folder. Anything with "looper" in To or CC goes there. ____________________________________________________________________________________ Sick sense of humor? Visit Yahoo! TV's Comedy with an Edge to see what's on, when. http://tv.yahoo.com/collections/222 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 2 06:35:47 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2784F3BF08; Sat, 2 Jun 2007 06:35:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=rR7RWCcAwQv4cql0+S8zXHQHjpfGWUocnuE5ofIA5CGJYvu3x/wg02x1+Nti1CpQMoGgahdnEPt+5zvCVkJGVAJLrsfGIZlAQFUgAok8iWoGSV5G2ekc7PjjbdqTWLo0a4qD2vxPiCtnm1EV/n6AVzpIONzqWm2YupS4bSQkidk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=JvDE1Cb0TZjh805mCWvkWQ38EvUuOgq103GjXTYeZAMh3SFD0NO0APJRnsbHXuvfnDWxWYUzdEg43rkuQxeB3y7TUKhYWbgh2rC9RDA1OZCB0bydvmtImXVUPYmfIxwwLF2DubBjcDQVvf8UCDdookiq24lH3YDEBTs8es499s0= Message-ID: Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2007 23:35:45 -0700 From: "Michael Billow" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: AW: do we need a forum ? In-Reply-To: <578634.50973.qm@web34809.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_13794_20549320.1180766145327" References: <578634.50973.qm@web34809.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70705 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2007 06:35:47 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_13794_20549320.1180766145327 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline I dont use Yahoo mail. Im simply talking about putting the title of this list in the heading of the emails sent out. On 6/1/07, John Tidwell wrote: > > My Yahoo Mail has no problem filtering the LD mail to > its own folder. Anything with "looper" in To or CC > goes there. > > --- Michael Billow wrote: > > > Personally it would be helpful if the moderator > > could put "LoopersDelight" > > in the heading of all emails sent out, like my other > > Yahoo groups do - I can > > deal with lots of emails, but it gets difficult to > > sort these out from my > > regular emails without that distinction in the > > subject line. > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > Sick sense of humor? Visit Yahoo! TV's > Comedy with an Edge to see what's on, when. > http://tv.yahoo.com/collections/222 > > ------=_Part_13794_20549320.1180766145327 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline I dont use Yahoo mail. Im simply talking about putting the title of this list in the heading of the emails sent out.

On 6/1/07, John Tidwell < wedgehed@yahoo.com> wrote:

My Yahoo Mail has no problem filtering the LD mail to
its own folder. Anything with "looper" in To or CC
goes there.

--- Michael Billow <mbillow@gmail.com> wrote:

> Personally it would be helpful if the moderator
> could put "LoopersDelight"
> in the heading of all emails sent out, like my other
> Yahoo groups do - I can
> deal with lots of emails, but it gets difficult to
> sort these out from my
> regular emails without that distinction in the
> subject line.

____________________________________________________________________________________
Sick sense of humor? Visit Yahoo! TV's
Comedy with an Edge to see what's on, when.
http://tv.yahoo.com/collections/222

------=_Part_13794_20549320.1180766145327-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 2 07:49:55 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1B8503BEFF; Sat, 2 Jun 2007 07:49:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=43rKPmFX3ZVezsikC2QRoDmRrh1MLhh861O5mjN96xz7ezl7xqUb1fvzuN3wJxN/X4Bz7XYCDmMDn8rqrf3UBVVLgGbgHO+gSKNwdgS5Y9mbo2cfGxQ5SGbH5yDt9hO6eA4fvl8wxUR810G7LhjVpRY1Uih3ly8a1ESzJGXlqlU=; X-YMail-OSG: PfuZivQVM1nzpfX.MB40DkPLzU2XfDCOeuHU3bhKMBhv6zIFT.NOX3pzqK.jXoHbLMcs6cJJbKTzRpHpsfe3Lqjqx26BrnWhgQcOezFT5789GKjULklAiuz9l7Wbcg-- Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2007 00:49:53 -0700 (PDT) From: Dan Subject: Re: A shameless spam and call for help To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <4152f4f205a0fef782d7d328026885bf@glasswing.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <344844.23557.qm@web33612.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70706 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2007 07:49:55 +0000 (UTC) Man I will do what I can to let everybody know Im on there too who's Grandma isn't now? Right? Link up on my friend addy and be sure to check out another very good aquaintance I have jammed with in www.wvfest.com aka Winfield Walnut Valley International Finger and Flatpickin, violin, mandolin, dulcimers of all colors etc. etc. Championships. He and the studio is actually right there in Vancouver Canada! www.donalder.com and on myspace Daniel Albertini. My page is growing and one music video (The One) and clips of indie films I have had tiny acting parts and appearances in. There has been numerous people from Canada coming to the www.barebonesfilmfestivals.com as well as Jean Savoie amazing bassplayer and fellow luthier up there too. I last heard he was playing on cruize ships making boo koo bucks but bored miserable for the most part. I gotta look him up again maybe he is on myspace as well? My last amazingly talented singer I played for Amanda Rainey lived in Vancouver a good part of her life and visits often whenever she can, she is in California now. I could not possibly remember all of the humans up there I have met. Mr C.G.P. (certified guitar player) himself Tommy Emmanuel has been up there touring as well. Link up bro! Have Fun and the best of luck to you and your bandmates. I still have a lot of work to do and look forward to the ride ahead maybe we will hook up some time? Visions of Whirled Peas B With You :o) --- Richard Sales wrote: > Hi Friends > > I'm in the middle of proposing some music stuff to some big music hoo > hahs. So far so good. Now I posted three pieces on YouTube four days > ago and they're getting very good response. NONE OF THIS IS LOOPING. > And it's about as ambient as a sledge hammer! It's what I used to do > and what people seem to enjoy so much. It's not where I am currently > at all... although I did just do a performance with this band ("R Sales > & The Musical Fruit") and loved it. I think I'll probably always do > this... but under my alter ego "Grandpappy Twice" so as to separate it > from my more 'serious' music. > > So I'm asking if you'll go and check out the tunes to help pump up my > numbers for this proposal. And if you like it, pass it around. If it > works, eventually it could be beneficial to the looping world. And it > DOES have the reigning King of Brown Tone Generators, chief Mechanic of > The Funk Engine, and fellow looper, Miles Ward on two of the pieces. > Miles rips it up on "Bongs, Not Bombs!" > > I think it might get a chuckle or two: > > "The Texas Chainsaw Messiah": > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gQbDTMvDAY4 > > "The Hemp Jingle (Bongs, Not Bombs)" > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nfU12NY4nng&mode=user&search= > > "Heart Shaped Window" > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MkVP1r2arGs&mode=user&search= > > And just for your OPTIONAL reading pleasure, here's the accompanying > letter I use in my bulk emails (aka SPAM!) announcing this: > > Sorry for the spam. I'm a vegetarian and I know (or remember) how bad > Spam can be. Not only that, but the dingos that DO spam have stolen > ______@glasswing.com to send out billions of 'enlarge this' and 'shrink > that' emails. It's awful! I'm blocked by Comcast and others because of > it. But if I didn't send out bulk emails I'd spend the rest of my life > writing individual ones. (Reply and I'll reply!!!) So here goes... and > hopefully it's pretty harmless - and received with forgiveness. > > Some binary chunks of me are now living on YouTube. Video of > 'GrandpappyTwice' live. Just crazy stuff... but pass it around. > > (Links to YouTube pieces) > > I think I wanna stay anonymous with this stuff so if you do pass it > around, my name is Grandpappy Twice. I had two different people come > up to me at a festival here in Canada and say "Don't play that in the > states. You'll get shot!" Also, I've just learned, "GrandpappyTwice" > has been banned in Thailand already from the YouTube vid's. Hopefully > Richard Sales isn't gonna get caned when he goes there! > > I also encourage all to check out Bongs, Not Bombs because, well, it's > a daffy song... but also because of the wonderful tuba (sousaphone) > solo by Miles Ward at the end. And Heart shaped Window is one of my > own personal faves. > > Drink one down and pass it around! It will make people laugh... which > is always good... and help me a lot! There are some interesting things > going on with my music career as we speak and the more folks that watch > my YouTubes, the better. > > Thanks times MC squared, > > richard sales > glassWing farm and studio > vancouver island, b.c. > 800.545.6846 > 250.752.4816 > www.glassWing.com > www.richardsales.com > www.hayleysales.com > www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com > On 31-May-07, at 11:20 AM, mwsmart@insightbb.com wrote: > > > Wow, most of these make my setup look positively primitive! I said it > > before, but I'll say it again... > > > > The jazz guitar crowd and the looping crowd are very different. When I > > first posted about my setup on the jazz guitar newsgroup, they said > > "Wow, I've never seen so many pedals". When I first posted it on here, > > people said, "Wow you get a really nice sound out of such a minimal > > setup"! LOL! > > > > Mark Smart > > > > http://www.marksmart.net ____________________________________________________________________________________ Boardwalk for $500? In 2007? Ha! Play Monopoly Here and Now (it's updated for today's economy) at Yahoo! Games. http://get.games.yahoo.com/proddesc?gamekey=monopolyherenow From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 2 08:15:37 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C33FF3BF00; Sat, 2 Jun 2007 08:15:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4661272C.8090103@f2s.com> Date: Sat, 02 Jun 2007 09:15:40 +0100 From: Bill Trible User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.12 (Windows/20070509) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: AW: do we need a forum ? References: <578634.50973.qm@web34809.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------070706020301060205000300" Resent-Message-ID: <833dCC.A.aOH.pcSYGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70707 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2007 08:15:37 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------070706020301060205000300 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Surely a yahoo / google group would be a good way to do it. That way you get the forum-style archive and the mailing list. Checkout http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/zonemobius for an example... Michael Billow wrote: > I dont use Yahoo mail. Im simply talking about putting the title of > this list in the heading of the emails sent out. > > On 6/1/07, *John Tidwell* < wedgehed@yahoo.com > > wrote: > > > My Yahoo Mail has no problem filtering the LD mail to > its own folder. Anything with "looper" in To or CC > goes there. > > --- Michael Billow > > wrote: > > > Personally it would be helpful if the moderator > > could put "LoopersDelight" > > in the heading of all emails sent out, like my other > > Yahoo groups do - I can > > deal with lots of emails, but it gets difficult to > > sort these out from my > > regular emails without that distinction in the > > subject line. > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > Sick sense of humor? Visit Yahoo! TV's > Comedy with an Edge to see what's on, when. > http://tv.yahoo.com/collections/222 > > -- http://www.myspace.com/infancy --------------070706020301060205000300 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Surely a yahoo / google group would be a good way to do it. That way you get the forum-style archive and the mailing list. Checkout http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/zonemobius for an example...

Michael Billow wrote:
I dont use Yahoo mail. Im simply talking about putting the title of this list in the heading of the emails sent out.

On 6/1/07, John Tidwell < wedgehed@yahoo.com> wrote:

My Yahoo Mail has no problem filtering the LD mail to
its own folder. Anything with "looper" in To or CC
goes there.

--- Michael Billow <mbillow@gmail.com> wrote:

> Personally it would be helpful if the moderator
> could put "LoopersDelight"
> in the heading of all emails sent out, like my other
> Yahoo groups do - I can
> deal with lots of emails, but it gets difficult to
> sort these out from my
> regular emails without that distinction in the
> subject line.

____________________________________________________________________________________
Sick sense of humor? Visit Yahoo! TV's
Comedy with an Edge to see what's on, when.
http://tv.yahoo.com/collections/222

-- http://www.myspace.com/infancy
--------------070706020301060205000300-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 2 08:17:38 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B63E63BF08; Sat, 2 Jun 2007 08:17:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Sat, 02 Jun 2007 04:19:24 -0400 From: Bill Fox Subject: Listen to the AM/FM Show in less than two hours from now To: undisclosed-recipients: ; Message-id: <4661280C.3050603@soundscapes.us> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.12 (Windows/20070509) Resent-Message-ID: <49Wj9D.A.ZbH.ieSYGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70708 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2007 08:17:38 +0000 (UTC) THE AM/FM SHOW ON WMUH: http://soundscapes.us/amfm ======================================================================= My next stint on the AM/FM Show will be today, Saturday, June 2 at 6:00 am EDT/GMT-4, less than two hours from now. I will continue the special on E-dition Electronic Music Magazine's sampler CDs. I will also play music by artists who will be appearing at the electro-music 2007 festival. Tune in to WMUH Allentown at 91.7 FM, broadcasting from the campus of Muhlenberg College. I alternate hosting the show with Bruce. When I am at the helm, the show features electronic, ambient, and spacemusic at the beginning, an eclectic mix of genres in the middle, and winds up with Progressive Rock. WMUH's web site is http://muhlenberg.edu/wmuh ======================================================================= Listen on-line to WMUH at http://www.muhlenberg.edu/wmuh and click the REAL AUDIO link or go directly to: rtsp://helix.muhlenberg.edu:554/broadcast/live.rm From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 2 09:10:42 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BD4A83BEFB; Sat, 2 Jun 2007 09:10:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: AW: OT: VST plugin to do balance/pan function Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2007 11:10:56 +0200 Organization: Moinlabs Message-ID: <001801c7a4f5$ede1a7c0$1001a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0019_01C7A506.B16A77C0" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Thread-Index: Acd9Py8ayYFKZfLCRPC65A76w1xPvQnRYbqgABxHlkA= In-Reply-To: <001a01c7a484$ddbb0c90$1001a8c0@succubus> X-RZG-AUTH: lUESeo99iNzPL8kuBgLYdKEqUywq9cxqeRA+BtFcSCD5deQ7OICI8ehRgUE= X-RZG-CLASS-ID: mo07 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70709 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2007 09:10:41 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0019_01C7A506.B16A77C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sorry, was meant to reach os directly... _____ =20 Von: Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill [mailto:rs@moinlabs.de]=20 Gesendet: Freitag, 1. Juni 2007 21:42 An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Betreff: AW: OT: VST plugin to do balance/pan function Hey os, I'd like to come back to your offer below...short answer: I need it for Windows. Long answer: please find enclosed a reqspec for the thing. Thanks, Rainer Requirement specification for a VST plugin for Windows XP platforms = which allows for panning of mono sources and =93balancing=94 of stereo = sources, in the following called =84panner=93 =20 001 The panner shall be implemented as a VST plugin for Windows XP platforms = as a stereo in/stereo out device and shall be able to function with common = bit depths and sample rates up to 32bit/96kHz. 002 The panner shall have at least one control (=93panpot=94). 002a The panpot shall provide one real value to the panner ranging from = -1=85+1. 0 shall be defined as =93center position=94. -1 shall be defined as = =93hard left=94. +1 shall be defined as =93hard right=94. This value shall be called = =93p=94 003 The panner=92s controls shall be controllable within Ableton Live by = MIDI commands. 004 The panner shall function as a 2 in, 2 out mixer which sends a = combination of the two channels of the stereo input pair (IL and IR) to the two = channels of the stereo output pair (OL and OR) defined by a mathematical transformation. 005 The mathematical transformation shall be of the form OL =3D IL*f(p) + IR*g(p) OR =3D IL*f(-p)) + IR*g(-p) with f, g real functions of p. 006 There shall be at least one choice of function pairs f, g. 007 There shall be one choice of functions f, g as follows: f =3D 1 ; p < 0 f =3D 1-p ; otherwise. g =3D 1-f. 008 If the number of function pairs is greater than one, there shall be a control for selecting the function. 009 If the selected functions f,g are continuous, changing p may not lead to signal artifacts. 010 The panner shall be optimized for resource-friendlyness, i.e. it shall = not tax the host computer=92s CPU or main memory more than necessary. =20 > -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- > Von: expertsleepers@googlemail.com > [mailto:expertsleepers@googlemail.com] Im Auftrag von Os > Gesendet: Donnerstag, 12. April 2007 22:14 > An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Betreff: Re: OT: VST plugin to do balance/pan function > > I could write you one pretty quickly. Do you need it for Mac > or Windows? > > > cheers, > os. > > > On 12/04/07, Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill > wrote: > > I need a pan/balance thing to put in my signal chain in > Live in front > > of Mobius. It should be a stereo in/stereo out VST and do > the following: > > > > It should be basically a dual mono in/stereo out thing with pan > > functions in each input and one dial controlling them. If > the dial is > > centered, the pan settings should be left for the left > input and right > > for the right input. If you turn the dial to the left, the right > > channel's pan setting should be turned to the left, if you turn the > > dial to the right, the left channel's pan setting should be > turned to the right. > > > > And perhaps different settings for level compensation. > > > > Is something like this available? > > > > Rainer > > > > > > > -- > os@collective.co.uk > http://www.collective.co.uk/ > http://www.myspace.com/darkroomtheband > >=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0019_01C7A506.B16A77C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Sorry, was meant to reach os=20 directly...

Von: Rainer Thelonius Balthasar = Straschill=20 [mailto:rs@moinlabs.de]
Gesendet: Freitag, 1. Juni 2007=20 21:42
An: = Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Betreff: AW:=20 OT: VST plugin to do balance/pan function

Hey os,

I'd like = to=20 come back to your offer = below...short=20 answer: I need it for Windows.

Long answer: please find enclosed a reqspec for = the=20 thing.

Thanks,

          =   =20 Rainer

Requirement = specification=20 for a VST plugin for Windows XP platforms which allows for panning of = mono=20 sources and =93balancing=94 of stereo sources, in the following called = =84panner=93

001

The panner = shall be=20 implemented as a VST plugin for Windows XP platforms as a stereo = in/stereo out device and shall be able to function with common = bit=20 depths and sample rates up to=20 32bit/96kHz.

002

The panner = shall have=20 at least one control = (=93panpot=94).

002a

The panpot = shall=20 provide one real value to the panner ranging from -1=85+1. 0 = shall be=20 defined as =93center position=94. -1 shall be defined as =93hard = left=94. +1=20 shall be defined as =93hard right=94. This value shall be called = =93p=94

003

The = panner=92s controls=20 shall be controllable within Ableton Live by MIDI = commands.

004

The panner = shall=20 function as a 2 in, 2 out mixer which sends a combination of the = two=20 channels of the stereo input pair (IL and IR) to the two = channels of the=20 stereo output pair (OL and OR) defined by a mathematical=20 transformation.

005

The = mathematical=20 transformation shall be of the form

OL =3D = IL*f(p) +=20 IR*g(p)

OR =3D = IL*f(-p)) +=20 IR*g(-p)

with f, g = real=20 functions of p.

006

There = shall be at=20 least one choice of function pairs f,=20 g.

007

There = shall be one=20 choice of functions f, g as = follows:

f =3D = 1    ; p <=20 0

f =3D 1-p = ;=20 otherwise.

g =3D=20 1-f.

008

If the = number of=20 function pairs is greater than one, there shall be a control for = selecting the function.

009

If the = selected=20 functions f,g are continuous, changing p may not lead to signal=20 artifacts.

010

The panner = shall be=20 optimized for resource-friendlyness, i.e. it shall not tax the = host=20 computer=92s CPU or main memory more than=20 = necessary.

> -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht-----
> Von:=20 expertsleepers@googlemail.com
> [mailto:expertsleepers@googl= email.com]=20 Im Auftrag von Os
> Gesendet: Donnerstag, 12. April 2007 = 22:14
>=20 An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
> Betreff: Re: OT: VST = plugin to=20 do balance/pan function
>
> I could write you one pretty = quickly.=20 Do you need it for Mac
> or Windows?
>
>
>=20 cheers,
> os.
>
>
> On 12/04/07, Rainer = Thelonius=20 Balthasar Straschill
> <rs@moinlabs.de> wrote:
> = > I need=20 a pan/balance thing to put in my signal chain in
> Live in = front
>=20 > of Mobius. It should be a stereo in/stereo out VST and do
> = the=20 following:
> >
> > It should be basically a dual = mono=20 in/stereo out thing with pan
> > functions in each input and = one dial=20 controlling them. If
> the dial is
> > centered, the = pan=20 settings should be left for the left
> input and right
> = > for=20 the right input. If you turn the dial to the left, the right
> = >=20 channel's pan setting should be turned to the left, if you turn = the
>=20 > dial to the right, the left channel's pan setting should = be
>=20 turned to the right.
> >
> > And perhaps different = settings=20 for level compensation.
> >
> > Is something like = this=20 available?
> >
>=20 >         Rainer
>=20 >
> >
>
>
> --
>=20 os@collective.co.uk
> http://www.collective.co.uk/>=20 http://www.myspace.com/da= rkroomtheband
>
>=20
------=_NextPart_000_0019_01C7A506.B16A77C0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 2 09:14:04 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1B2443BF07; Sat, 2 Jun 2007 09:14:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com In-Reply-To: <4661272C.8090103@f2s.com> References: <578634.50973.qm@web34809.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4661272C.8090103@f2s.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <23C0B4B1-0820-4925-A73D-91069FC19F46@gmail.com> Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Nathan van Heynsbergen Subject: Re: AW: do we need a forum ? Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2007 11:13:59 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Jun 2007 09:14:01.0386 (UTC) FILETIME=[5BE2F8A0:01C7A4F6] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70710 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2007 09:14:04 +0000 (UTC) Well i would definitely like it. Loosing sight over a thread will allso never happen then. i allso filter my mail, which helps. But never read everything of it. I thnk, only because i dont feel like it at that time (or not of my interest). And then i dump it because i want to get rid of those unread mails a.s.a.p. On a forum i could take my time plus read the whole thread if i missed out on a thing. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 2 09:30:21 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1B4413BF06; Sat, 2 Jun 2007 09:30:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=s+/wFSSxB/lXgPbnDHqSojVZuu30jEjEcEy1yPQqv8mDluG8Pq8tayW6Dy2Gz+iCUZFmx3TdvMQurBMMFs2wb1FBaM4pJxjhprrtSjJjNezOgH0jnO0OFHgeoi4oKWXdakXO7mO3wijlavMvKkDVLmwVmJIRaxl4jLiL22jLoqE=; X-YMail-OSG: aeET1tkVM1ncK8gzbeeX49f7j47NUm0xPstHLHs2acK2QTf8wveWVax4.zmHA.YVwI8CN4ZG9tMfOMCekcww5BISOsNpD6lvZzAr.SojWkTtvaBFwB8zEIEhCeIilQ-- Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2007 02:30:18 -0700 (PDT) From: John Tidwell Subject: Re: AW: do we need a forum ? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <23C0B4B1-0820-4925-A73D-91069FC19F46@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <350848.17875.qm@web34803.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70711 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2007 09:30:21 +0000 (UTC) You can access the archives thru the LD Website. It will display pretty much like a forum/message board. --- Nathan van Heynsbergen wrote: > Well i would definitely like it. > Loosing sight over a thread will allso never happen > then. > > i allso filter my mail, which helps. But never read > everything of it. > I thnk, only because i dont feel like it at that > time (or not of my > interest). And then i dump it because i want to get > rid of those > unread mails a.s.a.p. > On a forum i could take my time plus read the whole > thread if i > missed out on a thing. > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ 8:00? 8:25? 8:40? Find a flick in no time with the Yahoo! Search movie showtime shortcut. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/shortcuts/#news From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 2 10:13:49 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 825E53BF04; Sat, 2 Jun 2007 10:13:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: <350848.17875.qm@web34803.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <350848.17875.qm@web34803.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Nathan van Heynsbergen Subject: Re: AW: do we need a forum ? Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2007 12:13:44 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Jun 2007 10:13:47.0019 (UTC) FILETIME=[B51725B0:01C7A4FE] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70712 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2007 10:13:49 +0000 (UTC) o yes thats right. /:) Op 2-jun-2007, om 11:30 heeft John Tidwell het volgende geschreven: > You can access the archives thru the LD Website. It > will display pretty much like a forum/message board. > > > --- Nathan van Heynsbergen > wrote: > >> Well i would definitely like it. >> Loosing sight over a thread will allso never happen >> then. >> >> i allso filter my mail, which helps. But never read >> everything of it. >> I thnk, only because i dont feel like it at that >> time (or not of my >> interest). And then i dump it because i want to get >> rid of those >> unread mails a.s.a.p. >> On a forum i could take my time plus read the whole >> thread if i >> missed out on a thing. >> >> > > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > ______________ > 8:00? 8:25? 8:40? Find a flick in no time > with the Yahoo! Search movie showtime shortcut. > http://tools.search.yahoo.com/shortcuts/#news > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 2 10:25:05 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id ADFB53BF06; Sat, 2 Jun 2007 10:25:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=EruEBAfEB6Go7d5uRDUfWdoSKzZyVyYzqGKpL9XkNM48MYdWI5+Fp3CW5H2PsPYAIX9Oy3MQ49WiFHVsFezoxZUjIvQWRgnQKy15eGgKL3+hvrqWu8lYY2R03V7VXV1p262bhMIrT68GIRaJzZJysbZPElZm9nFj9WM3SlGNgG0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=q1H2wYc4eJ0bgsEHxRai0i7lJDvG/4Iqfc3/eWcysiKY9DmC9HhfbhSnBJTpzSLPxrg0VJBiiKHkaPkedDXTZulK+NR1S3DkjyW+kg6XZvW0GouvORZmLYYfWGQ+QKpkgApklJNRQ5Kzm8BrnwrpbEFGvlWiOwiEMzc5Em7D8GI= Message-ID: Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2007 11:25:02 +0100 From: Os Sender: expertsleepers@googlemail.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: VST plugin to do balance/pan function Cc: rs@moinlabs.de In-Reply-To: <001a01c7a484$ddbb0c90$1001a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <001a01c7a484$ddbb0c90$1001a8c0@succubus> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 3e659e5754ed72e7 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70713 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2007 10:25:05 +0000 (UTC) Hi, (replying to the group in case anyone else finds this useful) sorry, I rather forgot about that. Try this: http://www.expertsleepers.co.uk/downloads/trimmer.zip cheers, os. On 01/06/07, Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill wrote: > > > > Hey os, > > I'd like to come back to your offer below...short answer: I need it for > Windows. > > Long answer: please find enclosed a reqspec for the thing. > > Thanks, > > Rainer > > Requirement specification for a VST plugin for Windows XP platforms which > allows for panning of mono sources and "balancing" of stereo sources, in = the > following called =84panner" > > > > > > > 001 > > The panner shall be implemented as a VST plugin for Windows XP platforms = as > a stereo in/stereo out device and shall be able to function with common b= it > depths and sample rates up to 32bit/96kHz. > > > 002 > > The panner shall have at least one control ("panpot"). > > > 002a > > The panpot shall provide one real value to the panner ranging from -1=85+= 1. 0 > shall be defined as "center position". -1 shall be defined as "hard left"= . > +1 shall be defined as "hard right". This value shall be called "p" > > > 003 > > The panner's controls shall be controllable within Ableton Live by MIDI > commands. > > > 004 > > The panner shall function as a 2 in, 2 out mixer which sends a combinatio= n > of the two channels of the stereo input pair (IL and IR) to the two chann= els > of the stereo output pair (OL and OR) defined by a mathematical > transformation. > > > 005 > > The mathematical transformation shall be of the form > > OL =3D IL*f(p) + IR*g(p) > > OR =3D IL*f(-p)) + IR*g(-p) > > with f, g real functions of p. > > > 006 > > There shall be at least one choice of function pairs f, g. > > > 007 > > There shall be one choice of functions f, g as follows: > > f =3D 1 ; p < 0 > > f =3D 1-p ; otherwise. > > g =3D 1-f. > > > 008 > > If the number of function pairs is greater than one, there shall be a > control for selecting the function. > > > 009 > > If the selected functions f,g are continuous, changing p may not lead to > signal artifacts. > > > 010 > > The panner shall be optimized for resource-friendlyness, i.e. it shall no= t > tax the host computer's CPU or main memory more than necessary. > > > > > > > -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- > > Von: expertsleepers@googlemail.com > > [mailto:expertsleepers@googlemail.com] Im Auftrag von Os > > Gesendet: Donnerstag, 12. April 2007 22:14 > > An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > Betreff: Re: OT: VST plugin to do balance/pan function > > > > I could write you one pretty quickly. Do you need it for Mac > > or Windows? > > > > > > cheers, > > os. > > > > > > On 12/04/07, Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill > > > wrote: > > > I need a pan/balance thing to put in my signal chain in > > Live in front > > > of Mobius. It should be a stereo in/stereo out VST and do > > the following: > > > > > > It should be basically a dual mono in/stereo out thing with pan > > > functions in each input and one dial controlling them. If > > the dial is > > > centered, the pan settings should be left for the left > > input and right > > > for the right input. If you turn the dial to the left, the right > > > channel's pan setting should be turned to the left, if you turn the > > > dial to the right, the left channel's pan setting should be > > turned to the right. > > > > > > And perhaps different settings for level compensation. > > > > > > Is something like this available? > > > > > > Rainer > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > os@collective.co.uk > > http://www.collective.co.uk/ > > http://www.myspace.com/darkroomtheband > > > > > > --=20 os@collective.co.uk http://www.collective.co.uk/ http://www.myspace.com/darkroomtheband From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 2 11:58:11 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F0C6B3BF10; Sat, 2 Jun 2007 11:58:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=ThBseaXGAqN7pABLzHjpRlLBUItHVrlCzHH1S8/TxZamR8uQP963REn6iGFYUgnhuC/qh5S0bZBKPTZYFem3ATZ5Mjkb6+789J6rKbN5KiGfP4r1dqoGtczY/LOWaYosMcoVBRY2qYrXchkbIkXg4O9QLYhZn71G2fgfVLnt2pY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=VLiyM3BmrdOByWPaqLjjP5R2NTMinJG8UCxL+1+bqL6iJpUBS5j+9OrC8bBK07M8Mhcc/7BIo8KhGrItSY5yzqEX6HPQ4VpKtSbz+YJw1kwwNqZK2C6MzhmWv/QVgqsDn1h7TMdKKbIBenoKji25YMmi4vxy1bztsrTXwcWa3gw= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <20070602051000.3EB0E3BEF1@arsenic.violacea.com> References: <20070602051000.3EB0E3BEF1@arsenic.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <744E35F6-50FD-485C-8D28-136FF53065AC@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Per Boysen Subject: gig spam: Avant Gotlandica, june 11-17 Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2007 13:58:11 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70714 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2007 11:58:10 +0000 (UTC) Hi, Just a short note on this new (first year out) festival Avant =20 Gotlandica. I'm playing two nights but am thinking about hanging out =20 there for the rest of the week because it seems to be such a great =20 little festival and also because I've never been to the island of =20 Gotland. It was the commercial center for the entire baltic region =20 (from 900 AD and for some four five hundred years... I think) until =20 L=FCbeck took over that function in 1525. Today many old buildings are =20= still intact, so the place seems to have some "time machine =20 qualities". Anyway, here's from a festival pre info I found: > Avant Gotlandica, Galleri Tapeten, Visby, > > "A festival in honour of the burning art. The art that posesses a =20 > human being and makes her walk through fire and water to create =20 > something that can neither be explained nor denied". Preliminary =20 > line-up: The Noise Hippies (US) Bird by Snow (US) Origami =20 > Traumatika (NO/SE) Per Boysen (SE) Lo Fi Lazer (NO/SE) =20 > Idiomdrottning (SE) Melody + Daniel Karlsson (SE) Enavomi (NO) =20 > Kymatica (SE) Daniel 3D (SE) Krian (SE) Solblomma (SE) The venue (Old Fire Brigade Station). Only in Swedish today, but Engl =20= info and performance schedule with probably be posted here ASAP: =20 http://www.tapeten.se/ On Gotland: http://gotland.net/english/ More on the UNESCO World Heritage Site thing http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Visby Another interesting aspect of with this island: http://www.centreforcomposers.org/ Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://www.myspace.com/looproom http://www.jamendo.com/en/artist/per.boysen/ http://www.jamendo.com/en/artist/lo.fi.lazer/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 2 12:04:56 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E49A23BF16; Sat, 2 Jun 2007 12:04:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <4661272C.8090103@f2s.com> References: <578634.50973.qm@web34809.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4661272C.8090103@f2s.com> Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2007 13:04:15 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Mech Subject: Re: AW: do we need a forum ? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70715 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2007 12:04:55 +0000 (UTC) At 9:15 AM +0100 6/2/07, Bill Trible wrote: >Surely a yahoo / google group would be a good way to do it. That >way you get the forum-style archive and the mailing list. Checkout >http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/zonemobius >for an example... IIRC, Kris Hartung did exactly this over on Google Groups, when this same conversation came up a few months back (or perhaps it was the time before that). You can use it like a forum-style webboard as easily as any proper forum. It's not the technology, IMNSHO. It's getting people to use it. I think the forum is still open over there; you just need to go make use of it. --m. -- _____ "I want to keep you alive so there is always the possibility of murder... later" From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 2 12:59:20 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8EC443BF15; Sat, 2 Jun 2007 12:59:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <006a01c7a515$d4871fb0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "RICK WALKER" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: do we need a forum Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2007 05:59:17 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Spam-Flag: YES X-Spam-Status: Yes, score=1.3 required=1.0 tests=AWL,FH_HOST_EQ_D_D_D_D, RDNS_DYNAMIC,STOX_REPLY_TYPE,TVD_RCVD_SINGLE autolearn=disabled version=3.2.0 X-Spam-Report: * 0.0 STOX_REPLY_TYPE STOX_REPLY_TYPE * 2.0 FH_HOST_EQ_D_D_D_D Host starts with d-d-d-d * 0.3 TVD_RCVD_SINGLE TVD_RCVD_SINGLE * 0.1 RDNS_DYNAMIC Delivered to trusted network by host with * dynamic-looking rDNS * -1.1 AWL AWL: From: address is in the auto white-list X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.0 (2007-05-01) on mail.cruzio.com Resent-Message-ID: <7oB2-.A.AzE.omWYGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70716 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2007 12:59:20 +0000 (UTC) If you guys had any inkling of how much hard work, blood sweat and tears and personal money that Kim Flint has put into this site and how much people take this incredible tithing of energy into this community for granted, you would all cease and desist in bothering him about changing the way he does this thing. This issue comes up over and over again and Kim has told us firmly that he does not intend to change the way he does it. Please, let's respect his wishes. If you are having trouble filtering things out, please post a post that asks savvy list members to post their creative solutions to your particular problem and be willing to put a little tiny bit of your own time commitment into solving the problem with the many simple technological solutions that exist. Please, gang, you don't know how good a thing we have going and how tenuous it is for continuing into the future. Respect the man and his contribution and let this topic lie once and for all. Sincerely, Rick Walker ps if this posting makes you angry, please respect the list and just flame me off list..............this topic has taken up too much of our time here at Loopers Delight. I'll be more than happy to respond to you if you do. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 2 13:28:47 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5E6773BF13; Sat, 2 Jun 2007 13:28:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Sat, 02 Jun 2007 09:30:16 -0400 From: Bill Fox Subject: The AM/FM Show Playlist for June 2, 2007 To: undisclosed-recipients: ; Message-id: <466170E8.6080800@soundscapes.us> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.12 (Windows/20070509) Resent-Message-ID: <4Uf6s.A.sEG.PCXYGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70717 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2007 13:28:47 +0000 (UTC) http://soundscapes.us/amfm/playlists/2007/070602.html I host the Saturday AM/FM Show every other week where I play electronic, ambient, spacemusic, Progressive Rock, and an eclectic mix of other genres. The show airs from 6:00 am to 8:00 am on WMUH Allentown, 91.7 FM and on the internet. I also host Afterglow every Thursday from 8:00 am to 9:30 am. Listen to WMUH now at: rtsp://helix.muhlenberg.edu:554/broadcast/live.rm Show #110 June 2, 2006. During Phase I of this show, I continued the special on the sampler CDs that come with each issue of E-dition electronic music magazine. I also played the music of artists who will be appearing at the electro-music festival on June 1, 2, and 3. Phase I/Space: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ==================== ==================== ============================== VA [Johannes You and Me E-dition #13 (Groove) Schmoelling] VA [Paul Ellis] Tick Tock E-dition #13 (Groove) VA [Johan Timman] The Windpipe and E-dition #13 (Groove) the Lungs Mike Peck A Cognitive Chaos Glacial (Gears of Sand) VA [Kevin Kissinger] Three Legged Race Electro Music 07 (electro-music media) Gert Emmens Nothing Lasts A Boy's World (Groove) Forever Phase II/Eclectic: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ==================== ==================== ============================== Andy McKee Building a Memory Dreamcatcher (none) Andy McKee Art of Motion Art of Motion (Candyrat) Andy McKee Africa Dreamcatcher (none) Craig Urquhart Secret Spaces Secret Spaces (Heart Earth) Paul Adams An Opening Flow The Property of Water (Lake Front) Phase III/Progressive Rock: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ==================== ==================== ============================== Beardfish Same Old Song Sleeping in Traffic: Part One (InsideOut) Unitopia Ride More Than A Dream (Unicorn) Mystery The Awakening Beneath the Veil of Winter's Face (Unicorn Digital) Magellan Sea of Details Innocent God (Muse-Wrapped) Capharnaum Atomic Disco Le Soleil Est Une Bombe Atomique (Unicorn Digital) Dial Sadness Synchronized (Progrock) ==================== ==================== ============================== * = excerpt ++ = Advanced CDR from artist VA = Various Artists (compilation) I return to the AM/FM Show on June 16. On the next show, I will continue the special on the sampler CDs that come with each issue of E-dition electronic music magazine. Bill ====================================================================== Host of the AM/FM Show every other Saturday at 6:00 am EST (GMT-5:00). Phase 1: Electronic, ambient, and space music to bring you back from "Beyond the Barriers." Phase 2: Mixed bag of acoustic, electric, pop, or New Age. Phase 3: Progressive rock from past masters to contemporary releases. Web Site - http://soundscapes.us/amfm Listen to WMUH Allentown locally at 91.7 FM or on-line at http://www.muhlenberg.edu/wmuh and click the REAL AUDIO link or go directly to rtsp://helix.muhlenberg.edu:554/broadcast/live.rm Playlists are also published at http://billfox.blogspot.com RSS (2.0) feed from http://billfox.blogspot.com/rss.xml Atom (0.3) feed from http://billfox.blogspot.com/atom.xml ====================================================================== The progdj list is the central clearing house for radio playlists of Progressive Rock programs. Tired of joining dozens of mailing lists to post playlists or track airplay? The progdj list solves that problem. The progdj list is the place to go in order to see playlists and CD and concert reviews by DJs of progressive rock-friendly radio programs. Anyone interested in seeing playlists can join. There is NO SPAM because I keep the spammers out before the members ever see any hint of it. The progdj list is for DJs (obviously!) and band members, record label personnel, promoters, managers, and anyone else interested in seeing what gets played on the air. Need to find who is playing prog on the radio? Go to the progdj list. To join, go to http://groups.yahoo.com/group/progdj and click on the [Join This Group!] link. ====================================================================== From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 2 13:34:57 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4A9673BF12; Sat, 2 Jun 2007 13:34:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Jens Wolters" To: Subject: AW: do we need a forum Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2007 15:34:59 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Thread-Index: AcelFdiWen3WhQJeS3mWLYGoR5LyoAABM3gg In-Reply-To: <006a01c7a515$d4871fb0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Message-Id: <20070602133452.89C783BEE9@arsenic.violacea.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70718 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2007 13:34:56 +0000 (UTC) "This issue comes up over and over again and Kim has told us firmly that = he=20 does not intend to change the way he does it."+# How can I (or somebody) else know this has been discussed a lot of times already? Greetings Jens -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- Von: RICK WALKER [mailto:looppool@cruzio.com]=20 Gesendet: Samstag, 2. Juni 2007 14:59 An: LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting) Betreff: do we need a forum If you guys had any inkling of how much hard work, blood sweat and = tears=20 and personal money that Kim Flint has put into this site and how much people take this=20 incredible tithing of energy into this community for granted, you would all cease and desist in=20 bothering him about changing the way he does this thing. This issue comes up over and over again and Kim has told us firmly that = he=20 does not intend to change the way he does it. Please, let's respect his wishes. If you are having trouble filtering things out, please post a post that = asks savvy list members to post their creative solutions to your particular problem and be willing = to=20 put a little tiny bit of your own time commitment into solving the problem with the many simple=20 technological solutions that exist. Please, gang, you don't know how good a thing we have going and how=20 tenuous it is for continuing into the future. Respect the man and his contribution and let this topic lie once and = for=20 all. Sincerely, Rick Walker ps if this posting makes you angry, please respect the list and just=20 flame me off list..............this topic has taken up too much of our time here at Loopers Delight. I'll be more than happy = to=20 respond to you if you do.=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 2 13:38:23 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 155553BEFC; Sat, 2 Jun 2007 13:38:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <466172D2.9030203@biink.com> Date: Sat, 02 Jun 2007 09:38:26 -0400 From: David Beardsley Reply-To: db@biink.com Organization: Biink & SSI User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2 (Windows/20050317) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: AW: do we need a forum References: <20070602133452.89C783BEE9@arsenic.violacea.com> In-Reply-To: <20070602133452.89C783BEE9@arsenic.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <5Bd8wB.A.CpG.OLXYGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70719 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2007 13:38:23 +0000 (UTC) Jens Wolters wrote: >"This issue comes up over and over again and Kim has told us firmly that he >does not intend to change the way he does it."+# > >How can I (or somebody) else know this has been discussed a lot of times >already? > archives on the web site. -- * David Beardsley * microtonal guitar * http://biink.com/db * http://biink.com/poole From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 2 13:42:51 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AFB3B3BF26; Sat, 2 Jun 2007 13:42:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: do we need a forum - and what about the search function? Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2007 15:43:09 +0200 Organization: Moinlabs Message-ID: <000301c7a51b$f4fc1650$1001a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <20070602133452.89C783BEE9@arsenic.violacea.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Thread-Index: AcelFdiWen3WhQJeS3mWLYGoR5LyoAABM3ggAAATHCA= X-RZG-AUTH: lUESeo99iNzPL8kuBgLYdKEqUywq9cxqeRA+BtFcSCD5deQ7OICKOTylOQ== X-RZG-CLASS-ID: mo07 Resent-Message-ID: <3e5W3.A.g4G.bPXYGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70720 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2007 13:42:51 +0000 (UTC) > How can I (or somebody) else know this has been discussed a > lot of times already? 1. go to the looper's delight website: www.loopers-delight.com 2. click "Mailing List Archive": http://www.loopers-delight.com/cgi-bin/wilma/LDarchive 3. enter a meaningful search phrase like "forum;looper;delight" and set a large number for max. returned files: http://www.loopers-delight.com/cgi-bin/wilma_glimpse/LDarchive?query=forum%3 Blooper%3Bdelight&Search=Search&errors=0&maxfiles=1000&maxlines=10&.cgifield s=lineonly&.cgifields=restricttofiles&.cgifields=filelist&.cgifields=partial &.cgifields=case 4. you'll find this: http://www.loopers-delight.com/LDarchive/200604/msg01067.html and the surrounding discussion. I would in fact support a campaign for an improved search engine though... Rainer From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 2 14:08:45 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3C9753BF1E; Sat, 2 Jun 2007 14:08:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <344844.23557.qm@web33612.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <344844.23557.qm@web33612.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-2-622651691 Message-Id: <1fe250a7357f63b91481187fcae1e658@glasswing.com> From: Richard Sales Subject: Re: A shameless spam and call for help Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2007 07:08:34 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Resent-Message-ID: <4xlypC.A.YHB.snXYGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70721 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2007 14:08:45 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-2-622651691 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Thanks Dan! I'm gonna try to figure out how to do the friend addy etc. Couldn't find Daniel Albertini on myspace! DID find a Daniel Albertini on a guitar page talking about Jerry Garcia's guitars. Was that you? Are you a dead fan? I was auditioned for that band (keyboards), wrote music for their last Chinese New Years show... produced their friend Wavy Gravy way back when. Checked out Don Alder - wow! Furious fingers of fire! Don't really know that many folks up here. Moved here from Portland Oregon in 03. Since that time have mostly been working helping my daughter into the music business. So I've met a lot of folks touring with her etc. But we're on Vancouver Island which is 2 hours by ferry from the mainland (Vancouver). So I'm either here working on the farm (organic blueberries), working on music (practicing / writing) or recording or touring with her. Her record is 18 and rising on the charts here now. Lots of very big wingdings lining up behind her. I think, as Universal Music does, that you'll be hearing a lot from her in the next year or so. I've always put myself after those I've been helping. But I have such a huge backlog of material I thought I should start moving it out into the world - hence "Grandpappy Twice". Plus, I'm 59 and it's occurred to me that if I'm ever gonna stick it out there I should start soon. If you're ever up this way give a call. And thanks so much. The more we help each other, the more we help ourselves! richard sales glassWing farm and studio vancouver island, b.c. 800.545.6846 250.752.4816 www.glassWing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.grandpappytwice.com (coming soon!) On 2-Jun-07, at 12:49 AM, Dan wrote: > Man I will do what I can to let everybody know Im on there too who's > Grandma isn't now? Right? > Link up on my friend addy and be sure to check out another very good > aquaintance I have jammed > with in www.wvfest.com aka Winfield Walnut Valley International Finger > and Flatpickin, violin, > mandolin, dulcimers of all colors etc. etc. Championships. He and the > studio is actually right > there in Vancouver Canada! www.donalder.com and on myspace Daniel > Albertini. My page is growing > and one music video (The One) and clips of indie films I have had tiny > acting parts and > appearances in. There has been numerous people from Canada coming to > the > www.barebonesfilmfestivals.com as well as Jean Savoie amazing > bassplayer and fellow luthier up > there too. I last heard he was playing on cruize ships making boo koo > bucks but bored miserable > for the most part. I gotta look him up again maybe he is on myspace > as well? My last amazingly > talented singer I played for Amanda Rainey lived in Vancouver a good > part of her life and visits > often whenever she can, she is in California now. I could not > possibly remember all of the humans > up there I have met. Mr C.G.P. (certified guitar player) himself > Tommy Emmanuel has been up there > touring as well. Link up bro! Have Fun and the best of luck to you > and your bandmates. I still > have a lot of work to do and look forward to the ride ahead maybe we > will hook up some time? > Visions of Whirled Peas B With You :o) > _______________________________________________________________________ > _____________ > Boardwalk for $500? In 2007? Ha! Play Monopoly Here and Now (it's > updated for today's economy) at Yahoo! Games. > http://get.games.yahoo.com/proddesc?gamekey=monopolyherenow > --Apple-Mail-2-622651691 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=US-ASCII Thanks Dan! I'm gonna try to figure out how to do the friend addy etc. Couldn't find Daniel Albertini on myspace! DID find a Daniel Albertini on a guitar page talking about Jerry Garcia's guitars. Was that you? Are you a dead fan? I was auditioned for that band (keyboards), wrote music for their last Chinese New Years show... produced their friend Wavy Gravy way back when. Checked out Don Alder - wow! Furious fingers of fire! Don't really know that many folks up here. Moved here from Portland Oregon in 03. Since that time have mostly been working helping my daughter into the music business. So I've met a lot of folks touring with her etc. But we're on Vancouver Island which is 2 hours by ferry from the mainland (Vancouver). So I'm either here working on the farm (organic blueberries), working on music (practicing / writing) or recording or touring with her. Her record is 18 and rising on the charts here now. Lots of very big wingdings lining up behind her. I think, as Universal Music does, that you'll be hearing a lot from her in the next year or so. I've always put myself after those I've been helping. But I have such a huge backlog of material I thought I should start moving it out into the world - hence "Grandpappy Twice". Plus, I'm 59 and it's occurred to me that if I'm ever gonna stick it out there I should start soon. If you're ever up this way give a call. And thanks so much. The more we help each other, the more we help ourselves! Gadgetrichard sales 7373,7F7F,C5C5glassWing farm and studio vancouver island, b.c. 800.545.6846 250.752.4816C3C3,9696,1C1C www.glassWing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.grandpappytwice.com (coming soon!) On 2-Jun-07, at 12:49 AM, Dan wrote: Man I will do what I can to let everybody know Im on there too who's Grandma isn't now? Right? Link up on my friend addy and be sure to check out another very good aquaintance I have jammed with in www.wvfest.com aka Winfield Walnut Valley International Finger and Flatpickin, violin, mandolin, dulcimers of all colors etc. etc. Championships. He and the studio is actually right there in Vancouver Canada! www.donalder.com and on myspace Daniel Albertini. My page is growing and one music video (The One) and clips of indie films I have had tiny acting parts and appearances in. There has been numerous people from Canada coming to the www.barebonesfilmfestivals.com as well as Jean Savoie amazing bassplayer and fellow luthier up there too. I last heard he was playing on cruize ships making boo koo bucks but bored miserable for the most part. I gotta look him up again maybe he is on myspace as well? My last amazingly talented singer I played for Amanda Rainey lived in Vancouver a good part of her life and visits often whenever she can, she is in California now. I could not possibly remember all of the humans up there I have met. Mr C.G.P. (certified guitar player) himself Tommy Emmanuel has been up there touring as well. Link up bro! Have Fun and the best of luck to you and your bandmates. I still have a lot of work to do and look forward to the ride ahead maybe we will hook up some time? Visions of Whirled Peas B With You :o) ____________________________________________________________________________________ Boardwalk for $500? In 2007? Ha! Play Monopoly Here and Now (it's updated for today's economy) at Yahoo! Games. http://get.games.yahoo.com/proddesc?gamekey=monopolyherenow --Apple-Mail-2-622651691-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 2 14:12:09 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 317823BF2E; Sat, 2 Jun 2007 14:12:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=JehQB2sqzPwh4tmO9Grk9ApnsrgVwvRK7Co8Dymt0zC7hklQprA4tlMBAuIEGhjQ+BCpudXsrdrAZUCUCKYNJopHv+k0F0Ay9n0IPE71lVBv0wX5/mQJ93LRaC6UM7SLu/067LpEzzCyvT6sUVaoE0TB7Hzqagnv5MEu8Z+Y51E=; X-YMail-OSG: qvBejyMVM1mjQlJfe49kQpxsSpkOqM58toWL_cu.GsNdbU0.PZS1r4_eB._FRIueLB7414p6AGljy.xWH116LeOKoxrp6xpqatQEZjJgDANWcnJNRA-- Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2007 07:12:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Tim Nelson Subject: OT: Neil Young To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <005c01c78fbb$02517e60$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <681131.97829.qm@web43137.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70722 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2007 14:12:09 +0000 (UTC) Although the loopage on this particular tune is pretty minimal (one of the guitars playing the main riff and a little bit of the cello drone), check out the link to my tune 'Just So Long As I'm the Dictator' on Neil Young's website. I came in at around #1800 and it's #234 as of this morning... -t- http://www.myspace.com/nimbletunes http://cdbaby.com/all/timnelson ____________________________________________________________________________________ Yahoo! oneSearch: Finally, mobile search that gives answers, not web links. http://mobile.yahoo.com/mobileweb/onesearch?refer=1ONXIC From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 2 14:39:46 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3F8553BF2F; Sat, 2 Jun 2007 14:39:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=bxz5RVlnLM3HxwuJos601pj4Ap0ua5qG51k85CfL9mBodDv2N3azPQAs2n18PV/gbZOdEbUlPRP0Qiji8RkH320wPQbGCRy+0vqD8pC13/jE5aunrrdEx9zP+l4jyLRoOqAILKQyBkyBlS0737q8GfiHRt4LGRAjRhJyInVOPfg=; X-YMail-OSG: 3z2ektgVM1lMYeOqTlAV5UfElRnhnVN9a7Nr771RzqCqu7TfdVgGaZR.2DXaJF5SIe0MMr5syKyyrsZtvzw49cA4p6Efu2_YdgQk4IYog2xqjdrJz8kl0htBNGYj7A-- Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2007 07:39:44 -0700 (PDT) From: John Tidwell Subject: Re: do we need a forum - and what about the search function? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <000301c7a51b$f4fc1650$1001a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <547827.75218.qm@web34802.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: <8L6muB.A.lUD.xEYYGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70723 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2007 14:39:46 +0000 (UTC) Or, as Kim said so eloquently another time... http://www.loopers-delight.com/LDarchive/200304/msg00835.html :) John --- Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill wrote: > > How can I (or somebody) else know this has been > discussed a > > lot of times already? > > 1. go to the looper's delight website: > www.loopers-delight.com > 2. click "Mailing List Archive": > http://www.loopers-delight.com/cgi-bin/wilma/LDarchive > 3. enter a meaningful search phrase like > "forum;looper;delight" and set a > large number for max. returned files: > http://www.loopers-delight.com/cgi-bin/wilma_glimpse/LDarchive?query=forum%3 > Blooper%3Bdelight&Search=Search&errors=0&maxfiles=1000&maxlines=10&.cgifield > s=lineonly&.cgifields=restricttofiles&.cgifields=filelist&.cgifields=partial > &.cgifields=case > 4. you'll find this: > http://www.loopers-delight.com/LDarchive/200604/msg01067.html > and the > surrounding discussion. > > > I would in fact support a campaign for an improved > search engine though... > > Rainer > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Shape Yahoo! in your own image. Join our Network Research Panel today! http://surveylink.yahoo.com/gmrs/yahoo_panel_invite.asp?a=7 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 2 14:45:42 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2099E3BF3B; Sat, 2 Jun 2007 14:45:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <681131.97829.qm@web43137.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <681131.97829.qm@web43137.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-3-624871020 Message-Id: From: Richard Sales Subject: Re: OT: Neil Young Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2007 07:45:33 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70724 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2007 14:45:42 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-3-624871020 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Very nice, Tim! richard sales glassWing farm and studio vancouver island, b.c. 800.545.6846 250.752.4816 www.glassWing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com On 2-Jun-07, at 7:12 AM, Tim Nelson wrote: > > > Although the loopage on this particular tune is pretty > minimal (one of the guitars playing the main riff and > a little bit of the cello drone), check out the link > to my tune 'Just So Long As I'm the Dictator' on Neil > Young's website. I came in at around #1800 and it's > #234 as of this morning... --Apple-Mail-3-624871020 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=US-ASCII Very nice, Tim! Gadgetrichard sales 7373,7F7F,C5C5glassWing farm and studio vancouver island, b.c. 800.545.6846 250.752.4816C3C3,9696,1C1C www.glassWing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com On 2-Jun-07, at 7:12 AM, Tim Nelson wrote: < Although the loopage on this particular tune is pretty minimal (one of the guitars playing the main riff and a little bit of the cello drone), check out the link to my tune 'Just So Long As I'm the Dictator' on Neil Young's website. I came in at around #1800 and it's #234 as of this morning... --Apple-Mail-3-624871020-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 2 14:56:34 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AE3193BF30; Sat, 2 Jun 2007 14:56:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=ro+UY4CdEtgQvYt7ZFgpTEwnmbtos66XglOMDUK0bHj3ystxOzaiUrmwb40MyqLPLSTl6N0wT71lPW23vj0ctX+ipgC1IQhl0L6iZxfLN5dJFMWwVojwcTr0HaCqJbFOLo5Chal3rroSpSV0ayMuyDkEVLCbeMpQdJHDs+Zygvw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=lCWXsawF9/duF7vjSJ5ShCk3EJWboieH9ThXYWKozkO3X93sKU7CCWtxWeREOexCrnI1ER1R7+OeYziEq8etGA2wljgCY+my6JapWLnInrKB3ehjIyXq/75bo7vSSnwiLeVZ4FViypVBxGnas1HaS1eiBDxcJstZH37TrJU8R68= Message-ID: Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2007 15:56:31 +0100 From: Os Sender: expertsleepers@googlemail.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: do we need a forum - and what about the search function? In-Reply-To: <547827.75218.qm@web34802.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <000301c7a51b$f4fc1650$1001a8c0@succubus> <547827.75218.qm@web34802.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Google-Sender-Auth: bde9b8350fec144d Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70725 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2007 14:56:34 +0000 (UTC) Since when was loopers-delight.com smattered with soft porn ads? sorry, "personal ads from sexy singles". os. On 02/06/07, John Tidwell wrote: > Or, as Kim said so eloquently another time... > > http://www.loopers-delight.com/LDarchive/200304/msg00835.html > > :) > > John > > --- Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill > wrote: > > > > How can I (or somebody) else know this has been > > discussed a > > > lot of times already? > > > > 1. go to the looper's delight website: > > www.loopers-delight.com > > 2. click "Mailing List Archive": > > > http://www.loopers-delight.com/cgi-bin/wilma/LDarchive > > 3. enter a meaningful search phrase like > > "forum;looper;delight" and set a > > large number for max. returned files: > > > http://www.loopers-delight.com/cgi-bin/wilma_glimpse/LDarchive?query=forum%3 > > > Blooper%3Bdelight&Search=Search&errors=0&maxfiles=1000&maxlines=10&.cgifield > > > s=lineonly&.cgifields=restricttofiles&.cgifields=filelist&.cgifields=partial > > &.cgifields=case > > 4. you'll find this: > > > http://www.loopers-delight.com/LDarchive/200604/msg01067.html > > and the > > surrounding discussion. > > > > > > I would in fact support a campaign for an improved > > search engine though... > > > > Rainer > > > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > Shape Yahoo! in your own image. Join our Network Research Panel today! http://surveylink.yahoo.com/gmrs/yahoo_panel_invite.asp?a=7 > > > -- os@collective.co.uk http://www.collective.co.uk/ http://www.myspace.com/darkroomtheband From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 2 15:00:24 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6B5D83BF41; Sat, 2 Jun 2007 15:00:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4661860E.8020807@biink.com> Date: Sat, 02 Jun 2007 11:00:30 -0400 From: David Beardsley Reply-To: db@biink.com Organization: Biink & SSI User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2 (Windows/20050317) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: do we need a forum - and what about the search function? References: <547827.75218.qm@web34802.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <547827.75218.qm@web34802.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70726 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2007 15:00:24 +0000 (UTC) John Tidwell wrote: >Or, as Kim said so eloquently another time... > >http://www.loopers-delight.com/LDarchive/200304/msg00835.html > sounds a bit dramatic to me. -- * David Beardsley * microtonal guitar * http://biink.com/db * http://biink.com/poole From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 2 15:15:34 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A0D6C3BF3D; Sat, 2 Jun 2007 15:15:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=ObeQ1yzyGhpsiQCIxr+R/g6IXDwdjhXBqpc+323ZdYZSFxdqWboCuKRy2ou8/wg+xxAYVmIP78hapv25cE4Xk9zSDLD6bDaC0bnJs7LHbM4iZAUAEy3Gc0bRykYcnEyv/uu4ySpqitR/6YhN3DhxkXt34aURQlyeOoC+Ze7d/lo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=WPyyg8i/TXvGfBxCM8FhdUCd/HdMsU0BVCleZR0IaF5+u3b21Br9rP99q5b44EmNoRHiuq/Xx93GvoPrXPDVFMm12J42TdQIiLJfBE5nSAipt3dKCxtW6j1bZRudLFKY1txSD8vYC9tIgcN13tUCWf1MucKS4XtctXZSzxTra98= Message-ID: Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2007 10:15:32 -0500 From: "Doug Cox" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: do we need a forum In-Reply-To: <006a01c7a515$d4871fb0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_19893_14184113.1180797332586" References: <006a01c7a515$d4871fb0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Resent-Message-ID: <22ALB.A.X1H.WmYYGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70727 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2007 15:15:34 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_19893_14184113.1180797332586 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline For what it's worth - I've found that Gmail is indispensable for groups like LD. It's very simple to set up filters and labels, to search through history, and to follow a threaded conversation. I have over a year of LD postings (and many other groups) in my Gmail inbox, and I'm only using 1% of my storage space. One of the things that makes this list great is the relatively high signal to noise ratio. Not a lot of off topic chatter going on. My experience with online communities shows that without a doubt, forum-style communications encourage high noise ratios, and can have a *negative* impact on a group's ability to share, document and build on useful information. Doug ------=_Part_19893_14184113.1180797332586 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline For what it's worth - I've found that Gmail is indispensable for groups like LD. It's very simple to set up filters and labels, to search through history, and to follow a threaded conversation. I have over a year of LD postings (and many other groups) in my Gmail inbox, and I'm only using 1% of my storage space.

One of the things that makes this list great is the relatively high signal to noise ratio. Not a lot of off topic chatter going on. My experience with online communities shows that without a doubt, forum-style communications encourage high noise ratios, and can have a *negative* impact on a group's ability to share, document and build on useful information.

Doug
------=_Part_19893_14184113.1180797332586-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 2 16:07:39 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 83A573BF4C; Sat, 2 Jun 2007 16:07:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Sat, 02 Jun 2007 00:07:41 -0400 From: "David Kirkdorffer" Subject: the best.... the worst.... To: Message-id: <000401c7a4cb$910838e0$cdcf5548@hppav> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1478 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1478 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <6sx1GC.A.xUD.LXZYGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70728 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2007 16:07:39 +0000 (UTC) For me... The best thing about looping is: - The way a plan is quickly abandoned for something more vital than the starting idea The worst thing about looping is: - The complication and coordination across devices And, for you? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 2 16:24:45 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 44C713BF49; Sat, 2 Jun 2007 16:24:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com In-Reply-To: <000401c7a4cb$910838e0$cdcf5548@hppav> References: <000401c7a4cb$910838e0$cdcf5548@hppav> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Reply-To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Nathan van Heynsbergen Subject: Re: the best.... the worst.... Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2007 18:24:40 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Jun 2007 16:24:43.0589 (UTC) FILETIME=[870A3750:01C7A532] Resent-Message-ID: <0iw3xC.A.OUE.NnZYGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70729 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2007 16:24:45 +0000 (UTC) > For me... > > The best thing about looping is: > - The way a plan is quickly abandoned for something more > vital than > the starting idea > - Escapist qualities > The worst thing about looping is: > - The complication and coordination across devices > - The problem of not going new age accidentally. > > And, for you? > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 2 16:40:49 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E69093BF47; Sat, 2 Jun 2007 16:40:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-priority:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=FVEzT0vJU3CfTT2lETPC8LeI4DWblneo7v7VBj5I0w5qQpVXDVi/B2DvXBe1ZxSocZzsAoBcrP7gXeyKF4oj6c0o+VFskEPL/Dusw4jcaBQKxrvS2E2LxVotgqgogd55Xw1R1W+hqVppJOS7fksJ8y5yjJgusO4ejeS5TUfjCjM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-priority:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=Wo4LBpfBowAdjEz0nzsyeWj36iD62uoswoYvw93K/F0eNwH4pbyOlbbTXq7rzxHV0BG0cXGfpb6QED04bc6IuBi1NqzI/ESADyBUAmO5MEFGlCoWL3uCjsA+yMadkHyCWNMdZo3ahfHv5E/6V3dbDAzpX5bfpacvfzdm43f4JdQ= In-Reply-To: References: <000401c7a4cb$910838e0$cdcf5548@hppav> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <31AD0119-7A4C-4485-A96C-7697538A254A@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: the best.... the worst.... Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2007 18:40:51 +0200 To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70730 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2007 16:40:49 +0000 (UTC) On 2 jun 2007, at 18.24, Nathan van Heynsbergen wrote: >> For me... >> >> The best thing about looping is: - The option to improvise many musical parts simultaneously. - The option to use monophonic instruments for chordal and harmonic improvisation. - The option to stand back and not play at all, only listening. Especially when ensemble looping with other people. Gives a good perspective on music and makes you a better musician. >> The worst thing about looping is: - "Abstract Electronica" ;-) Per From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 2 17:02:02 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D8C383BF55; Sat, 2 Jun 2007 17:02:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: References: <000401c7a4cb$910838e0$cdcf5548@hppav> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-2-633009248 Message-Id: <4e5e9688e2210c5cfb7f38d9b0c2c0be@glasswing.com> From: Richard Sales Subject: Re: the best.... the worst.... Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2007 10:01:12 -0700 To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Resent-Message-ID: <4KEqCC.A.DjG.KKaYGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70731 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2007 17:02:02 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-2-633009248 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed For me, the best thing about looping is that I can play with myself in public. The worst thing is I don't wanna do anything else now. Another down side is that now that I have someone to jam with that I'm not embarrassed to ask to play the same piece for an hour or two, I can play the same thing over and over ALL DAY LONG. That can be a good thing too. Another real plus has been meeting all the loopers. I've learned a LOT from this group. I've gone from being a very 'soured by MIDI' hard nosed acoustic purist to a pedal board and four amps. Still no distortion though. That'll take a while yet. Another real plus is that it has, to some degree, freed me from the structure of songs. I've always been a slave to the song... but now I've found the Underground Railroad. Who knows where I'll end up? I still think a well crafted song is the holy grail, but now I've found the wine to fill it with... and pour all over the table. A serious down side is the Roland RC50. Archiving is a pain in the butt. No names attached to the loops or patches when saved to HD. Apparently its Midi Beat Clock doesn't work with other devices. It's so easy to erase things you don't wanna erase. You can't import archived specific patches. At least I haven't found out how. Apparently the input has some kind of guitar amp modeling thing going and you can't turn it off. I don't like that. I'm looking at the Looperlative now that I know more about what I want. Another down side is, now that I have all these pedals etc, it's a LOT of footwork and ergonomic design work figuring out how to reach all the pedals quickly. Haven't got that dialed yet at all. But... so many things to be grateful for, the down side is just a slight drop in elevation. richard sales glassWing farm and studio vancouver island, b.c. 800.545.6846 250.752.4816 www.glassWing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com On 2-Jun-07, at 9:24 AM, Nathan van Heynsbergen wrote: > > > >> For me... >> >> The best thing about looping is: >> - The way a plan is quickly abandoned for something more >> vital than >> the starting idea >> - Escapist qualities >> The worst thing about looping is: >> - The complication and coordination across devices >> - The problem of not going new age accidentally. >> >> And, for you? >> > --Apple-Mail-2-633009248 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=US-ASCII For me, the best thing about looping is that I can play with myself in public. The worst thing is I don't wanna do anything else now. Another down side is that now that I have someone to jam with that I'm not embarrassed to ask to play the same piece for an hour or two, I can play the same thing over and over ALL DAY LONG. That can be a good thing too. Another real plus has been meeting all the loopers. I've learned a LOT from this group. I've gone from being a very 'soured by MIDI' hard nosed acoustic purist to a pedal board and four amps. Still no distortion though. That'll take a while yet. Another real plus is that it has, to some degree, freed me from the structure of songs. I've always been a slave to the song... but now I've found the Underground Railroad. Who knows where I'll end up? I still think a well crafted song is the holy grail, but now I've found the wine to fill it with... and pour all over the table. A serious down side is the Roland RC50. Archiving is a pain in the butt. No names attached to the loops or patches when saved to HD. Apparently its Midi Beat Clock doesn't work with other devices. It's so easy to erase things you don't wanna erase. You can't import archived specific patches. At least I haven't found out how. Apparently the input has some kind of guitar amp modeling thing going and you can't turn it off. I don't like that. I'm looking at the Looperlative now that I know more about what I want. Another down side is, now that I have all these pedals etc, it's a LOT of footwork and ergonomic design work figuring out how to reach all the pedals quickly. Haven't got that dialed yet at all. But... so many things to be grateful for, the down side is just a slight drop in elevation. Gadgetrichard sales 7373,7F7F,C5C5glassWing farm and studio vancouver island, b.c. 800.545.6846 250.752.4816C3C3,9696,1C1C www.glassWing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com On 2-Jun-07, at 9:24 AM, Nathan van Heynsbergen wrote: For me... The best thing about looping is: - The way a plan is quickly abandoned for something more vital than the starting idea - Escapist qualities The worst thing about looping is: - The complication and coordination across devices - The problem of not going new age accidentally. And, for you? --Apple-Mail-2-633009248-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 2 17:12:49 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C0AE83BF5D; Sat, 2 Jun 2007 17:12:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <46601518.5060807@tiscali.co.uk> References: <46601518.5060807@tiscali.co.uk> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-3-633705058 Message-Id: <38b7551590e2a80c328e69864e663e98@glasswing.com> From: Richard Sales Subject: Re: POST YOUR SETUP Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2007 10:12:47 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70732 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2007 17:12:49 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-3-633705058 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Guitar > Roland T2 Tuner> ancient Roland active volume pedal> Area51/CryBaby wah> T Rex Replica> Durham SexDrive> UltraSound DI> (bypassed for some guitars)> Roland RC50> a batch of very old Magnatone/PANaramic 213 amps. I swapped out the Fulltone Tube Tape echo for the T Rex Replica because the TubeTapeEcho tape itself was so noisy and because it's so hard to put on an airplane or hand carry etc. The T Rex is a GREAT SOUNDING echo. I also wanna bring the Roland Dimension D out of the studio and into my playpen for total guitar mania. I really love the Sex Drive too. A super subtle sledge hammer. Pedaltrain Pedal Board Voodoo Labs Power Power Plus 2 I have another even more ancient Roland volume pedal on the "Guide" out volume. Canare cables made an unbelievable difference. I made 'em myself. I was a sceptic. I saw de light! richard sales glassWing farm and studio vancouver island, b.c. 800.545.6846 250.752.4816 www.glassWing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com On 1-Jun-07, at 5:46 AM, andy butler wrote: > Easy > > Guitar>>ADA-MP1(guitar pre-amp)>>Lexicon > Vortex>>2xEDP>>BehringerMic2200 >>JBL Eon 15 powered speakers. > > + EBow > + FCB1010 midi Controller operates the EDPs > > www.andybutler.com/photo/andyb-gear.jpg > (yes, the guitar has wooden pickups) > > if playing though an alternative pa, I don't take the Eons > > For international gigs the Mic2200 gets left at home, it's not needed > really, but if you're describing an unusual rig to a sound guy they > really relax when you > tell them you're bringing your own DI. > > If I'm providing pa for other performers, a Behringer MX2642 mixing > goes in front of the Eons. > > andy butler > www.andybutler.com (mp3s-a-plenty) > > ps. I posted this before but it never showed on the list, > apologies if you all get this 2x > --Apple-Mail-3-633705058 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=US-ASCII Guitar > Roland T2 Tuner> ancient Roland active volume pedal> Area51/CryBaby wah> T Rex Replica> Durham SexDrive> UltraSound DI> (bypassed for some guitars)> Roland RC50> a batch of very old Magnatone/PANaramic 213 amps. I swapped out the Fulltone Tube Tape echo for the T Rex Replica because the TubeTapeEcho tape itself was so noisy and because it's so hard to put on an airplane or hand carry etc. The T Rex is a GREAT SOUNDING echo. I also wanna bring the Roland Dimension D out of the studio and into my playpen for total guitar mania. I really love the Sex Drive too. A super subtle sledge hammer. Pedaltrain Pedal Board Voodoo Labs Power Power Plus 2 I have another even more ancient Roland volume pedal on the "Guide" out volume. Canare cables made an unbelievable difference. I made 'em myself. I was a sceptic. I saw de light! Gadgetrichard sales 7373,7F7F,C5C5glassWing farm and studio vancouver island, b.c. 800.545.6846 250.752.4816C3C3,9696,1C1C www.glassWing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com On 1-Jun-07, at 5:46 AM, andy butler wrote: Easy Guitar>>ADA-MP1(guitar pre-amp)>>Lexicon Vortex>>2xEDP>>BehringerMic2200 >>JBL Eon 15 powered speakers. + EBow + FCB1010 midi Controller operates the EDPs www.andybutler.com/photo/andyb-gear.jpg (yes, the guitar has wooden pickups) if playing though an alternative pa, I don't take the Eons For international gigs the Mic2200 gets left at home, it's not needed really, but if you're describing an unusual rig to a sound guy they really relax when you tell them you're bringing your own DI. If I'm providing pa for other performers, a Behringer MX2642 mixing goes in front of the Eons. andy butler www.andybutler.com (mp3s-a-plenty) ps. I posted this before but it never showed on the list, apologies if you all get this 2x --Apple-Mail-3-633705058-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 2 17:17:19 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AC98D3BF61; Sat, 2 Jun 2007 17:17:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=n6SpQeLQFjNlQbMoOBbRMJXv21RyMRPa8PIKLPjOT9r8hCWcxYKwr5XxCWA46HMmMDc5UWUZNRdFRA1kAmqZUA5JIS3MTc5MuuW1Z7QqIbKO6PEYFcWSQWEtMQ4mzZvRHudU0yX7og5WWkS5PxA/ukPb/3ctMBVrHFzdkEVI1Qo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=hOdwYXU3QYN2V8pxD6OL3QCRXVyJSZNj5PW9KIJPB5DHNwzFr2efcS/TOXJPWiMI1otw1DKlfGhVtxYJefD98Xc677iwKM2ziUYOwUxJa80GARN2TkXd2gi0R5QN9m2HGB4SXfVNMQ9gbKTl/S+ctiusjVmDi4HyBe2RaagaGwA= Message-ID: Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2007 10:17:17 -0700 From: "Doug Wellington" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: do we need a forum In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <006a01c7a515$d4871fb0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70733 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2007 17:17:19 +0000 (UTC) > For what it's worth - I've found that Gmail is indispensable for groups like > LD. Being a member of "Dougs for Gmail" I have to agree! ;-) > It's very simple to set up filters and labels, to search through > history, and to follow a threaded conversation. I have over a year of LD > postings (and many other groups) in my Gmail inbox, and I'm only using 1% of > my storage space. You lightweight! ;-) I've been using Gmail since October 2004 and I have 976 MB (34%) of "my" 2859MB used... (54,697 threads.) Woohoo! It's really cool to have the Google search capabilities, and when someone sends me a tracking number for a shipment, there's even a quick link to it on the right hand side of the window... > One of the things that makes this list great is the relatively high signal > to noise ratio. Not a lot of off topic chatter going on. My experience > with online communities shows that without a doubt, forum-style > communications encourage high noise ratios, and can have a *negative* impact > on a group's ability to share, document and build on useful information. I've been on the net since before there was a web, (where's my cane???) and I've interacted with a lot of communities. While forums are pretty looking and have the advantage of storing messages at a central site, they are still much less immediate, and they force you to bend your habits to the way they work. Plus, you have to remember to go to the forum to see what's going on. And what happens if the moderators decide that they don't want to keep a topic or thread around? (e.g. Northern Sounds decided to not host the East West forum anymore, so it was completely deleted. A huge amount of info lost...) I want to be charge of my own censorship if you know what I mean... Email gets delivered to you, and you can interact with it on your terms. You can store or delete, put labels on it, move it around, send it to other places, etc. Email lists with central storage (e.g. Loopers-Delight, Yahoo Groups, etc) seem to provide the best of both worlds. Central storage, distributed delivery, etc. The biggest thing for me personally though is I'm getting lazy - there are so many different forums that it's hard to get motivated to check all of them. If it doesn't show up in my inbox, it ain't gettin' read! -- -Doug http://www.analognotes.com http://www.stoogepanels.com http://www.softsampling.com http://www.dougwellington.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 2 17:25:41 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 462D23BF6E; Sat, 2 Jun 2007 17:25:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <20070602051000.3EB0E3BEF1@arsenic.violacea.com> References: <20070602051000.3EB0E3BEF1@arsenic.violacea.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1-634470700 Message-Id: <5B3474F0-9F76-4B43-9898-22C7DFAED8D8@jamesrichmond.com> From: James Richmond Subject: Re: do we need a forum ? Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2007 13:25:33 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: <8DI5bD.A.Pp.UgaYGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70734 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2007 17:25:41 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-1-634470700 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed > Hi guys, > > I have been following the loopers delight list for quite a while. > But after some time I always tend to unsubscribe. There is just too > much mail in my mail account. > > Also I find it really hard to follow the existing threads. > I wish there was a forum on Loopers Delight. What do you guys think? > > Of course it would be nice to have it on http://www.loopers- > delight.com. But if that is not possible or wanted, I can provide > domain, hosting and setting up the forum > > Just let me know if you would be interested. > > Greetings Jens All my other groups are via email-I can't be arsed to go into multiple websites for all of them- email is relatively light compared to opening multiple websites. You could set up some filters so the all the loopers delight posts go to a specific folder. I wouldn't join a forum- it's fine for me as it is. Jim --Apple-Mail-1-634470700 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1
Hi guys,
I have been following the loopers delight list = for quite a while. But after some time I always tend to unsubscribe. = There is just too much mail in my mail account.Also I find it really hard to follow the existing = threads.=A0
I wish there was a forum on Loopers Delight. = What do you guys think?
Of course it would be nice to have it on = http://www.loopers-delight.com. But if that is not possible or wanted, I can provide = domain, hosting and setting up the forum
Just let me know if you would be = interested.
Greetings = Jens
All my other groups are = via email-I can't be arsed to go into multiple websites for all of them- = email is relatively light compared to opening multiple = websites.
You could set up some filters so the all the loopers = delight posts go to a specific folder.

I wouldn't join a forum- = it's fine for me as it is.

Jim
= --Apple-Mail-1-634470700-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 2 17:38:07 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EEF8D3BF77; Sat, 2 Jun 2007 17:38:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4661AB01.9080705@f2s.com> Date: Sat, 02 Jun 2007 18:38:09 +0100 From: Bill Trible User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.12 (Windows/20070509) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RC50 References: <20070602051000.3EB0E3BEF1@arsenic.violacea.com> <5B3474F0-9F76-4B43-9898-22C7DFAED8D8@jamesrichmond.com> In-Reply-To: <5B3474F0-9F76-4B43-9898-22C7DFAED8D8@jamesrichmond.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70735 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2007 17:38:06 +0000 (UTC) Heard this device has problems with starting the first loop - ie. a slight gap... does this interfere with timing or is it strictly an audio gap? Anyone got other comments on it? Fooling around with Mobius and trying to decide which way to go - still reluctant to deal with the perils of using a laptop onstage! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 2 17:53:15 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 656643BF6F; Sat, 2 Jun 2007 17:53:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "nick@12testing.net" To: , "Jens Wolters" Date: Sat, 02 Jun 2007 18:52:31 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: AW: do we need a forum Reply-To: nick@12testing.net Message-ID: <4661BC6F.25218.21FF3F4@nick.12testing.net> Priority: normal In-reply-to: <20070602133452.89C783BEE9@arsenic.violacea.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.31) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70736 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2007 17:53:15 +0000 (UTC) On 2 Jun 2007 at 15:34, Jens Wolters wrote: > How can I (or somebody) else know this has been discussed a lot of > times already? I set one up here, but there's been near zero traffic despite my best efforts to promote it. Whether this means a) there's insufficient demand b) people just don't know about it or c) people join but are happy to lurk, I don't know. http://looping.20.forumer.com/index.php From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 2 18:07:22 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 749463BF71; Sat, 2 Jun 2007 18:07:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=sSmymz+MSWsGcOIUUmCDx8/sW3jZUcS+FdAIkN805Bku21Mmo34SYqBkqd6BsRfCeAocGVb24raLcY72mT+oc3E/AR6HO6PXfIfk/tR1iYm2IGgjyiNTDiyk7Ys6QLkUKG9D3s7n/yIGVWARcCdgiukwPLJPkHt8e5RqiGavJ7Q= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=IweZ5aPTESclIQUAVijFSkWeo3FzHBPSAQk7Uva3WJXifvjs8FtEU2W10OD0LspXCE44lP/K+STPg3/GEmPQvaxCxQ8K+jqrspf6a4xxY4QTi5aWR+hxdN/2pnDQV+pDbTd9HKrv74ofnA+EdP22XWYTLTMPKRZ33ROQSuG5cEM= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <4661AB01.9080705@f2s.com> References: <20070602051000.3EB0E3BEF1@arsenic.violacea.com> <5B3474F0-9F76-4B43-9898-22C7DFAED8D8@jamesrichmond.com> <4661AB01.9080705@f2s.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <953FE3B7-CEC8-497A-86A8-7567B4928510@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: RC50 Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2007 20:07:22 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: <8pNhX.A.vgD.aHbYGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70737 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2007 18:07:22 +0000 (UTC) On 2 jun 2007, at 19.38, Bill Trible wrote: > Heard this device has problems with starting the first loop - ie. a > slight gap... does this interfere with timing or is it strictly an > audio gap? Anyone got other comments on it? I don't remember... but there have been a lot of discussion on this. If you search the archive you may find something. > Fooling around with Mobius and trying to decide which way to go - > still reluctant to deal with the perils of using a laptop onstage! Just stuff it away on stage. You don't have to watch the screen just because there is a screen on the box. If you patch up some midi pedals for the function you want you know what will happen when stepping a certain pedal - without the screen support. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://www.myspace.com/looproom http://www.jamendo.com/en/artist/per.boysen/ http://www.jamendo.com/en/artist/lo.fi.lazer/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 2 18:25:48 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AE0903BF25; Sat, 2 Jun 2007 18:25:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "nick@12testing.net" To: Loopers-Delight-d@loopers-delight.com, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Sat, 02 Jun 2007 19:25:44 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: danelectro reel echo Reply-To: nick@12testing.net Message-ID: <4661C438.5441.23E5B28@nick.12testing.net> Priority: normal In-reply-to: <20070602180722.00CDA3BF74@arsenic.violacea.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.31) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70738 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2007 18:25:48 +0000 (UTC) Has anyone experience of this beast? I'm struggling to find anything like a decent audio or video demo. I realise it's not a proper looper, but wondered about the audio effects to be had sliding the errr slider around. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 2 19:06:47 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D34903BF20; Sat, 2 Jun 2007 19:06:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Jens Wolters" To: Subject: AW: RC50 Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2007 21:06:53 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 In-Reply-To: <953FE3B7-CEC8-497A-86A8-7567B4928510@gmail.com> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Thread-Index: AcelQOHp6Vo/ESARRVeYJJ1MYteNggAB5eWQ Message-Id: <20070602190646.119813BEF7@arsenic.violacea.com> Resent-Message-ID: <0UxO-.A.etH.H_bYGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70739 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2007 19:06:47 +0000 (UTC) Hi there, you hear this gap only the first time you are recording the loop. If you play a loop for 2 bars for example. I will record the first 2 bars then = will play along 2 bars more. So nobody notices. I can live with that. The timing is perfectly in time. Also it happens just with the very = first track. Track 2 und 3 or overdubbing are not affected. I am still not really happy with this thing cause the promised time stretching just isnt't usable. Also the MIDI Clock (when receiving) has = some problems. I think I finally will keep my RC-20 and a notebook with = Mobius or maxMSP to my setup. The RC-50 in my opinion is pretty hard to use when playing in a loop situation with other persons. I can explain why actually. It is just = that I don=92t feel at home with this device. Greetings Jens -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- Von: Per Boysen [mailto:perboysen@gmail.com]=20 Gesendet: Samstag, 2. Juni 2007 20:07 An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Betreff: Re: RC50 On 2 jun 2007, at 19.38, Bill Trible wrote: > Heard this device has problems with starting the first loop - ie. a =20 > slight gap... does this interfere with timing or is it strictly an =20 > audio gap? Anyone got other comments on it? I don't remember... but there have been a lot of discussion on this. =20 If you search the archive you may find something. > Fooling around with Mobius and trying to decide which way to go - =20 > still reluctant to deal with the perils of using a laptop onstage! Just stuff it away on stage. You don't have to watch the screen just =20 because there is a screen on the box. If you patch up some midi =20 pedals for the function you want you know what will happen when =20 stepping a certain pedal - without the screen support. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://www.myspace.com/looproom http://www.jamendo.com/en/artist/per.boysen/ http://www.jamendo.com/en/artist/lo.fi.lazer/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 2 21:47:02 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1588D3BF11; Sat, 2 Jun 2007 21:47:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Sjaak" To: Subject: RE: RC50 Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2007 23:46:28 +0200 Message-ID: <001a01c7a55f$7d0b30b0$020313ac@SOVERGAAUW> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6822 Thread-Index: AcelPMethMX874S9QmmMS0GySticNgAIk9wg X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 In-Reply-To: <4661AB01.9080705@f2s.com> Importance: Normal X-DCC-scarlet.be-Metrics: oola 20001; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70740 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2007 21:47:02 +0000 (UTC) > -----Original Message----- > From: Bill Trible > Heard this device has problems with starting the first loop - ie. a > slight gap... does this interfere with timing or is it > strictly an audio > gap? Anyone got other comments on it? Hi Bill, This bug has been fixed in OS 1.01. Other than that, I'm very happy with my RC-50 :) Sjaak From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 2 22:01:47 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4AC323BF0E; Sat, 2 Jun 2007 22:01:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <20070603000143.3uslowcou8ok8g0w@webmail.gebaeude7.de> Date: Sun, 03 Jun 2007 00:01:43 +0200 From: jenswolters@gebaeude7.de To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: RC50 References: <001a01c7a55f$7d0b30b0$020313ac@SOVERGAAUW> In-Reply-To: <001a01c7a55f$7d0b30b0$020313ac@SOVERGAAUW> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.1) Resent-Message-ID: <77zNWD.A.8R.KjeYGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70741 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2007 22:01:47 +0000 (UTC) No it has not been fixed. I have the new bios already. You have a second mode in the new bios. This avoids the audio glitch. But this is not recomended for all situations and still has some problems. http://www.roland.com/products/en/_support/dld.cfm?ln=en&dsp=0&iCncd=1038 Greetings Jens. >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Bill Trible >> Heard this device has problems with starting the first loop - ie. a >> slight gap... does this interfere with timing or is it >> strictly an audio >> gap? Anyone got other comments on it? > > Hi Bill, > This bug has been fixed in OS 1.01. Other than that, I'm very happy with my > RC-50 :) > > Sjaak > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 2 23:01:38 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DDBA73BF10; Sat, 2 Jun 2007 23:01:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com References: <000401c7a4cb$910838e0$cdcf5548@hppav> To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: the best.... the worst.... Date: Sat, 02 Jun 2007 19:01:30 -0400 In-Reply-To: X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 From: pjbmhb@aol.com X-MB-Message-Type: User Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--------MB_8C97381174D7FDD_137C_CB3C_mblk-r31.sysops.aol.com" X-Mailer: AOL WebMail 27551 Message-Id: <8C97381174D7FDD-137C-6EF5@mblk-r31.sysops.aol.com> X-AOL-IP: 152.163.179.21 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70742 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2007 23:01:38 +0000 (UTC) ----------MB_8C97381174D7FDD_137C_CB3C_mblk-r31.sysops.aol.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" The best is the instant gratification you can get improvising w/ yourself. 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----------MB_8C97381174D7FDD_137C_CB3C_mblk-r31.sysops.aol.com-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 2 23:15:18 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AF85F3BF14; Sat, 2 Jun 2007 23:15:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <0d4001c7a56b$d7804560$6bb0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <000401c7a4cb$910838e0$cdcf5548@hppav> Subject: Re: the best.... the worst.... Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2007 17:14:58 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70743 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2007 23:15:18 +0000 (UTC) > The best thing about looping is: Being able to repeat myself. > The worst thing about looping is: Having to hear myself over and over again. :) Kris From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 2 23:37:41 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5C8FB3BF16; Sat, 2 Jun 2007 23:37:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <4661AB01.9080705@f2s.com> References: <20070602051000.3EB0E3BEF1@arsenic.violacea.com> <5B3474F0-9F76-4B43-9898-22C7DFAED8D8@jamesrichmond.com> <4661AB01.9080705@f2s.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1-656790337 Message-Id: <244372d41fa40b91da6796ec02a46452@glasswing.com> From: Richard Sales Subject: Re: RC50 Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2007 16:37:33 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70744 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2007 23:37:41 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-1-656790337 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed It's just an audio gap. If you keep playing it goes pretty much unnoticed. richard sales glassWing farm and studio vancouver island, b.c. 800.545.6846 250.752.4816 www.glassWing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com On 2-Jun-07, at 10:38 AM, Bill Trible wrote: > Heard this device has problems with starting the first loop - ie. a > slight gap... does this interfere with timing or is it strictly an > audio gap? Anyone got other comments on it? > > Fooling around with Mobius and trying to decide which way to go - > still reluctant to deal with the perils of using a laptop onstage! > --Apple-Mail-1-656790337 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=US-ASCII It's just an audio gap. If you keep playing it goes pretty much unnoticed. Gadgetrichard sales 7373,7F7F,C5C5glassWing farm and studio vancouver island, b.c. 800.545.6846 250.752.4816C3C3,9696,1C1C www.glassWing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com On 2-Jun-07, at 10:38 AM, Bill Trible wrote: Heard this device has problems with starting the first loop - ie. a slight gap... does this interfere with timing or is it strictly an audio gap? Anyone got other comments on it? Fooling around with Mobius and trying to decide which way to go - still reluctant to deal with the perils of using a laptop onstage! --Apple-Mail-1-656790337-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 3 00:31:54 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 14BAC3BF12; Sun, 3 Jun 2007 00:31:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Jens Wolters" To: Subject: MOOG MF-105 MURF Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2007 02:32:00 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000F_01C7A587.5D834340" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 Thread-Index: Aceldpl5lAYiM2L5QbOzLXDp3pRAhA== X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Message-Id: <20070603003152.D0C503BEF6@arsenic.violacea.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70745 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2007 00:31:54 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000F_01C7A587.5D834340 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Has anybody played one of these? 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Has anybody played one of = these?

Greetings Jens

------=_NextPart_000_000F_01C7A587.5D834340-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 3 00:37:44 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7CF4E3BF15; Sun, 3 Jun 2007 00:37:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <46620D56.6080807@f2s.com> Date: Sun, 03 Jun 2007 01:37:42 +0100 From: Bill Trible Reply-To: ultra@f2s.com User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.12 (Windows/20070509) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: RC50 References: <20070602051000.3EB0E3BEF1@arsenic.violacea.com> <5B3474F0-9F76-4B43-9898-22C7DFAED8D8@jamesrichmond.com> <4661AB01.9080705@f2s.com> <244372d41fa40b91da6796ec02a46452@glasswing.com> In-Reply-To: <244372d41fa40b91da6796ec02a46452@glasswing.com> Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70746 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2007 00:37:44 +0000 (UTC) Thanks for your info on the RC50. Any general thoughts on the RC50 vs. buying a soundcard + MIDI pedals and using a laptop with Mobius?

I like the idea of the convenience of the Boss pedal but I since I own a laptop already I might be able to pull it off slightly cheaper using that ... bearing in mind all I want to do is make a few loops + have a 2nd channel to share a metronome with a drummer.

Richard Sales wrote:
It's just an audio gap. If you keep playing it goes pretty much unnoticed.

richard sales
glassWing farm and studio
vancouver island, b.c.
800.545.6846
250.752.4816
www.glassWing.com
www.richardsales.com
www.hayleysales.com
www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com
On 2-Jun-07, at 10:38 AM, Bill Trible wrote:

Heard this device has problems with starting the first loop - ie. a slight gap... does this interfere with timing or is it strictly an audio gap? Anyone got other comments on it?

Fooling around with Mobius and trying to decide which way to go - still reluctant to deal with the perils of using a laptop onstage!

From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 3 00:43:56 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 60A773BF1A; Sun, 3 Jun 2007 00:43:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <46620ECB.4080008@f2s.com> Date: Sun, 03 Jun 2007 01:43:55 +0100 From: Bill Trible Reply-To: ultra@f2s.com User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.12 (Windows/20070509) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: MIDI macros References: <20070602051000.3EB0E3BEF1@arsenic.violacea.com> <5B3474F0-9F76-4B43-9898-22C7DFAED8D8@jamesrichmond.com> <4661AB01.9080705@f2s.com> <244372d41fa40b91da6796ec02a46452@glasswing.com> <46620D56.6080807@f2s.com> In-Reply-To: <46620D56.6080807@f2s.com> Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70747 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2007 00:43:56 +0000 (UTC) Also a quick question - I want to use a single pedal to stop Live playing and stop Mobius from playing back - is there some app I can use to make two MIDI commands out of just one?

Bill Trible wrote:
Thanks for your info on the RC50. Any general thoughts on the RC50 vs. buying a soundcard + MIDI pedals and using a laptop with Mobius?

I like the idea of the convenience of the Boss pedal but I since I own a laptop already I might be able to pull it off slightly cheaper using that ... bearing in mind all I want to do is make a few loops + have a 2nd channel to share a metronome with a drummer.

Richard Sales wrote:
It's just an audio gap. If you keep playing it goes pretty much unnoticed.

richard sales
glassWing farm and studio
vancouver island, b.c.
800.545.6846
250.752.4816
www.glassWing.com
www.richardsales.com
www.hayleysales.com
www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com
On 2-Jun-07, at 10:38 AM, Bill Trible wrote:

Heard this device has problems with starting the first loop - ie. a slight gap... does this interfere with timing or is it strictly an audio gap? Anyone got other comments on it?

Fooling around with Mobius and trying to decide which way to go - still reluctant to deal with the perils of using a laptop onstage!

From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 3 05:22:23 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A133A3BF25; Sun, 3 Jun 2007 05:22:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <001201c7a59f$23faf1a0$6401a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Two New Looping Videos (Y2K6 & BEMF 2) Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2007 23:22:10 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000F_01C7A56C.D8847980" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70748 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2007 05:22:23 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000F_01C7A56C.D8847980 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I have two new looping videos to share (one is not so new, but wasn't = available until recently). 1) Y2K6: Krispen Hartung (guitar and laptop) & Rick Walker (percussion); = excerpts of the last set on Saturday night; this is the music and video = behind the picture of the two of us in the recent Guitar Player = ariticle. Thanks to Barry Cleveland for sending me the DVD! This is me = on my PRS hollow body, my laptop (with Mobius and various VSTs), and the = Boss VF1 for amp simulation and ring mod http://www.box.net/shared/p5klx0zvyc 2) 2nd Annual Boise Experimental Music Festival (April 27, 2007): = Krispen Hartung (mandolin and laptop) & Vincent Miresse (percussion); = most of the effects processing the mandolin on this one are from = Reaktor, and a few max/msp patches in VST format; I hadn't converted to = my pure max/msp system at the time of this festival http://www.box.net/shared/46kkd4ej08 Cheers, Kris *************************************************************************= * Krispen Hartung www.krispenhartung.com / www.myspace.com/krispenhartung info@krispenhartung.com / 1.208.724.5603=20 Discography - http://www.krispenhartung.com/catalogue.htm CD Baby Discography: http://cdbaby.com/all/khartung ------=_NextPart_000_000F_01C7A56C.D8847980 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I have two new looping videos to share = (one is not=20 so new, but wasn't available until recently).

1) Y2K6: Krispen Hartung = (guitar and=20 laptop) & Rick Walker (percussion); excerpts of the=20 last set on Saturday night; this is = the music and=20 video behind the picture of the two of us in the recent Guitar Player = ariticle.=20 Thanks to Barry Cleveland for sending me the DVD! This is me on my = PRS=20 hollow body, my laptop (with Mobius and various VSTs), and the Boss VF1 = for amp=20 simulation and ring mod

http://www.box.net/shared/p= 5klx0zvyc

2) 2nd Annual Boise = Experimental Music=20 Festival (April 27, 2007): Krispen Hartung (mandolin and = laptop) &=20 Vincent Miresse (percussion); most of the effects processing = the=20 mandolin on this one are from Reaktor, and a few max/msp = patches in=20 VST format; I hadn't converted to my pure max/msp system at the time of = this=20 festival

http://www.box.net/shared/4= 6kkd4ej08

Cheers,

Kris

****************************************************************= **********
Krispen=20 Hartung
www.krispenhartung.com /=20 www.myspace.com/krispenhar= tung
info@krispenhartung.com /=20 1.208.724.5603
Discography - http://www.krispenha= rtung.com/catalogue.htm
CD=20 Baby Discography: http://cdbaby.com/all/khartung=20
------=_NextPart_000_000F_01C7A56C.D8847980-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 3 08:54:19 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A42053BF1E; Sun, 3 Jun 2007 08:54:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Jens Wolters" To: Subject: Group of people looping. Is there such thing ? Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2007 10:54:25 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0010_01C7A5CD.8D8E7230" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Thread-Index: AcelnywB2YwxMBTWQY2ajl0RprcTzQAHKb8g In-Reply-To: <001201c7a59f$23faf1a0$6401a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> Message-Id: <20070603085417.A4CE83BF18@arsenic.violacea.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70749 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2007 08:54:19 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0010_01C7A5CD.8D8E7230 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi guys, My idea is having a group with drums, guitar, bass and sax with different loops totally in sync. More of a techno pattern approach. I am not really shure if this is possible at all. We tried some approaches but it was really hard and didn't quite work out as I wanted it to. I have seen tons of videos from guitar players, bass player or singers playing drones or looping themselves. I have not seen a group of people looping in sync though. Any live footage would be very welcome. Greetings Jens _____ Von: Krispen Hartung [mailto:khartung@cableone.net] Gesendet: Sonntag, 3. Juni 2007 07:22 An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Betreff: Two New Looping Videos (Y2K6 & BEMF 2) I have two new looping videos to share (one is not so new, but wasn't available until recently). 1) Y2K6: Krispen Hartung (guitar and laptop) & Rick Walker (percussion); excerpts of the last set on Saturday night; this is the music and video behind the picture of the two of us in the recent Guitar Player ariticle. Thanks to Barry Cleveland for sending me the DVD! This is me on my PRS hollow body, my laptop (with Mobius and various VSTs), and the Boss VF1 for amp simulation and ring mod http://www.box.net/shared/p5klx0zvyc 2) 2nd Annual Boise Experimental Music Festival (April 27, 2007): Krispen Hartung (mandolin and laptop) & Vincent Miresse (percussion); most of the effects processing the mandolin on this one are from Reaktor, and a few max/msp patches in VST format; I hadn't converted to my pure max/msp system at the time of this festival http://www.box.net/shared/46kkd4ej08 Cheers, Kris ************************************************************************** Krispen Hartung www.krispenhartung.com / www.myspace.com/krispenhartung info@krispenhartung.com / 1.208.724.5603 Discography - http://www.krispenhartung.com/catalogue.htm CD Baby Discography: http://cdbaby.com/all/khartung ------=_NextPart_000_0010_01C7A5CD.8D8E7230 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi = guys,

=

My idea is = having a group with drums, guitar, bass and sax with different loops totally in sync. = More of a techno pattern approach. I am not really shure if this is possible at = all.

We tried some = approaches but it was really hard and didn’t quite work out as I wanted it = to.

=

I have seen tons = of videos from guitar players, bass player or singers playing drones or = looping themselves. I have not seen a group of people looping in sync = though.

Any live footage = would be very welcome.

=

Greetings = Jens

=

=

Von: Krispen Hartung [mailto:khartung@cableone.net]
Gesendet: Sonntag, 3. Juni 2007 07:22
An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Betreff: Two New Looping = Videos (Y2K6 & BEMF 2)

I have two new looping videos to share (one is not so = new, but wasn't available until recently).

1) Y2K6: Krispen Hartung (guitar and laptop) & Rick Walker = (percussion); excerpts of the last set on Saturday night; this is the music and video behind the = picture of the two of us in the recent Guitar Player ariticle. Thanks to Barry Cleveland for sending me the DVD! This is me on my PRS hollow = body, my laptop (with Mobius and various VSTs), and the Boss VF1 for amp = simulation and ring mod

http://www.box.net/shared/p= 5klx0zvyc

2) 2nd Annual Boise Experimental Music = Festival (April 27, 2007): Krispen Hartung (mandolin and laptop) & = Vincent Miresse (percussion); most of the effects = processing the mandolin on this one are from Reaktor, and a few max/msp = patches in VST format; I hadn't converted to my pure max/msp system at the time of = this festival

http://www.box.net/shared/4= 6kkd4ej08

Cheers,

Kris

******************************************************= ********************
Krispen Hartung
www.krispenhartung.com / = www.myspace.com/krispenhar= tung
info@krispenhartung.com / 1.208.724.5603
Discography - http://www.krispenha= rtung.com/catalogue.htm
CD Baby Discography: http://cdbaby.com/all/khartung

------=_NextPart_000_0010_01C7A5CD.8D8E7230-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 3 09:08:47 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D35BC3BF22; Sun, 3 Jun 2007 09:08:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4662851B.9000601@f2s.com> Date: Sun, 03 Jun 2007 10:08:43 +0100 From: Bill Trible Reply-To: ultra@f2s.com User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.12 (Windows/20070509) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Group of people looping. Is there such thing ? References: <20070603085417.A4CE83BF18@arsenic.violacea.com> In-Reply-To: <20070603085417.A4CE83BF18@arsenic.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70750 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2007 09:08:46 +0000 (UTC) Sounds like you need one MIDI source as your click and a splitter to route that to all your loop devices?

Jens Wolters wrote:

Hi guys,

My idea is having a group with drums, guitar, bass and sax with different loops totally in sync. More of a techno pattern approach. I am not really shure if this is possible at all.

We tried some approaches but it was really hard and didn’t quite work out as I wanted it to.

I have seen tons of videos from guitar players, bass player or singers playing drones or looping themselves. I have not seen a group of people looping in sync though.

Any live footage would be very welcome.

Greetings Jens

Von: Krispen Hartung [mailto:khartung@cableone.net]
Gesendet: Sonntag, 3. Juni 2007 07:22
An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Betreff: Two New Looping Videos (Y2K6 & BEMF 2)

I have two new looping videos to share (one is not so new, but wasn't available until recently).

1) Y2K6: Krispen Hartung (guitar and laptop) & Rick Walker (percussion); excerpts of the last set on Saturday night; this is the music and video behind the picture of the two of us in the recent Guitar Player ariticle. Thanks to Barry Cleveland for sending me the DVD! This is me on my PRS hollow body, my laptop (with Mobius and various VSTs), and the Boss VF1 for amp simulation and ring mod

http://www.box.net/shared/p5klx0zvyc

2) 2nd Annual Boise Experimental Music Festival (April 27, 2007): Krispen Hartung (mandolin and laptop) & Vincent Miresse (percussion); most of the effects processing the mandolin on this one are from Reaktor, and a few max/msp patches in VST format; I hadn't converted to my pure max/msp system at the time of this festival

http://www.box.net/shared/46kkd4ej08

Cheers,

Kris

**************************************************************************
Krispen Hartung
www.krispenhartung.com / www.myspace.com/krispenhartung
info@krispenhartung.com / 1.208.724.5603
Discography - http://www.krispenhartung.com/catalogue.htm
CD Baby Discography: http://cdbaby.com/all/khartung

From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 3 09:24:11 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DE2B13BF28; Sun, 3 Jun 2007 09:24:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=FhmgbkZy0dAt3eZGpjuKdYA3S3D/T2HL2vKh/PvBk2+ve2UiJBBh4JCsETv8lDztXaNInlwa1FldZVU3dm8kqPO6lvWiTuffIt/qaJTyuEUObuDoCXDlCL9arbGWu83ZDbKDuAO6FyMEIA1+SYlF6EnhVid8d+ME/ZmW+ur44zk=; X-YMail-OSG: itEk6XsVM1lO3Z0x4fk3xJXUG_7dzKgh10KyTWSGyPT08fSHpmnIQqXn0znCrT3_BZlK1U8ZWSz3dfWaOXbhFdWDyw-- Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2007 02:24:09 -0700 (PDT) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: Re: POST YOUR SETUP To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <38b7551590e2a80c328e69864e663e98@glasswing.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <531307.72758.qm@web38606.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70751 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2007 09:24:11 +0000 (UTC) My good ol setup: Guitar Mackie CFX 1202 2 yamahas MS 150 active speakers Roland GP 100 2 EDP blackfaces in aux sends Electrix Pro MoFX in Alt 3/4 Behringer FCB1010 thats all folks! cheers Luis --- Richard Sales wrote: > Guitar > > Roland T2 Tuner> > ancient Roland active volume pedal> > Area51/CryBaby wah> > T Rex Replica> > Durham SexDrive> > UltraSound DI> (bypassed for some guitars)> > Roland RC50> > a batch of very old Magnatone/PANaramic 213 amps. > > I swapped out the Fulltone Tube Tape echo for the T > Rex Replica because > the TubeTapeEcho tape itself was so noisy and > because it's so hard to > put on an airplane or hand carry etc. The T Rex is > a GREAT SOUNDING > echo. I also wanna bring the Roland Dimension D out > of the studio and > into my playpen for total guitar mania. I really > love the Sex Drive > too. A super subtle sledge hammer. > > Pedaltrain Pedal Board > Voodoo Labs Power Power Plus 2 > > I have another even more ancient Roland volume pedal > on the "Guide" out > volume. > > Canare cables made an unbelievable difference. I > made 'em myself. I > was a sceptic. I saw de light! > > richard sales > glassWing farm and studio > vancouver island, b.c. > 800.545.6846 > 250.752.4816 > www.glassWing.com > www.richardsales.com > www.hayleysales.com > www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com > On 1-Jun-07, at 5:46 AM, andy butler wrote: > > > Easy > > > > Guitar>>ADA-MP1(guitar pre-amp)>>Lexicon > > Vortex>>2xEDP>>BehringerMic2200 >>JBL Eon 15 > powered speakers. > > > > + EBow > > + FCB1010 midi Controller operates the EDPs > > > > www.andybutler.com/photo/andyb-gear.jpg > > (yes, the guitar has wooden pickups) > > > > if playing though an alternative pa, I don't take > the Eons > > > > For international gigs the Mic2200 gets left at > home, it's not needed > > really, but if you're describing an unusual rig to > a sound guy they > > really relax when you > > tell them you're bringing your own DI. > > > > If I'm providing pa for other performers, a > Behringer MX2642 mixing > > goes in front of the Eons. > > > > andy butler > > www.andybutler.com (mp3s-a-plenty) > > > > ps. I posted this before but it never showed on > the list, > > apologies if you all get this 2x > > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom ____________________________________________________________________________________ Food fight? Enjoy some healthy debate in the Yahoo! Answers Food & Drink Q&A. http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=list&sid=396545367 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 3 09:25:20 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5137E3BF2A; Sun, 3 Jun 2007 09:25:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Jens Wolters" To: Subject: AW: Group of people looping. Is there such thing ? Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2007 11:25:28 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_001F_01C7A5D1.E388F4E0" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Thread-Index: AcelwR+LbbXmFCidTXyyLaQqM7djpA== Message-Id: <20070603092519.89C463BF1B@arsenic.violacea.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70752 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2007 09:25:20 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001F_01C7A5D1.E388F4E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mhh. I just had a different idea. We use a Software looper (with maxMSP and LIVE maybe) and every musician gets his own Midi Pedal (or pad) connected to one Computer. The loops should be recorded and played in sync of course. That way everybody could control is own loops. But everything is in sync. Even without MIDI (which gives problem all the time as we experienced) Greetings Jens _____ Von: Bill Trible [mailto:ultra@f2s.com] Gesendet: Sonntag, 3. Juni 2007 11:09 An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Betreff: Re: Group of people looping. Is there such thing ? Sounds like you need one MIDI source as your click and a splitter to route that to all your loop devices? Jens Wolters wrote: Hi guys, My idea is having a group with drums, guitar, bass and sax with different loops totally in sync. More of a techno pattern approach. I am not really shure if this is possible at all. We tried some approaches but it was really hard and didn't quite work out as I wanted it to. I have seen tons of videos from guitar players, bass player or singers playing drones or looping themselves. I have not seen a group of people looping in sync though. Any live footage would be very welcome. Greetings Jens ------=_NextPart_000_001F_01C7A5D1.E388F4E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Mhh. I just had = a different idea.

=

We use a = Software looper (with maxMSP and LIVE maybe) and every musician gets his own Midi Pedal = (or pad) connected to one Computer.

The loops should = be recorded and played in sync of course. That way everybody could control is own = loops. But everything is in sync. Even without MIDI (which gives problem all the time as we = experienced)

=

Greetings = Jens

=

Von: Bill = Trible [mailto:ultra@f2s.com]
Gesendet: Sonntag, 3. = Juni 2007 11:09
An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Betreff: Re: Group of = people looping. Is there such thing ?

Sounds like you need = one MIDI source as your click and a splitter to route that to all your loop = devices?

Jens Wolters wrote:

Hi = guys,

My idea is = having a group with drums, guitar, bass and sax with different loops totally in sync. = More of a techno pattern approach. I am not really shure if this is possible at = all.

We tried some = approaches but it was really hard and didn’t quite work out as I wanted it = to.

I have seen tons = of videos from guitar players, bass player or singers playing drones or = looping themselves. I have not seen a group of people looping in sync = though.

Any live footage = would be very welcome.

Greetings = Jens

------=_NextPart_000_001F_01C7A5D1.E388F4E0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 3 09:28:23 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 684C33BF23; Sun, 3 Jun 2007 09:28:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=jTLAFXgIowV5uOChh082Ieh+omj3LwswIXmy9FPpYIHMGVfcj7gALXUnzbNuY+jPnbLIRibM/f37haFlr4/Tl9v8hpatd9qCivsN/4n3+NhdNwqa1Sl1G4RsizH/wylGP4zKmdrvZoauy6zkbL4IuaL0g2QS6Tmu5N2OAPy2bok=; X-YMail-OSG: XqKgUVQVM1m.ntNAKmk0z6aagRR92.OLQclxaiekLLf01oLlzgUNEHuDvhpEmUOr2o3kag8EVJ1j4PMLezzGx4hEBClz7syMskTjqMUCdjhjKAF20VC7EUVKOZMzhw-- Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2007 02:28:22 -0700 (PDT) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: Eventide Time Factor any Info reviews on it yet? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20070603003152.D0C503BEF6@arsenic.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <71749.125.qm@web38605.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: <3kBzVD.A.QH.3moYGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70753 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2007 09:28:23 +0000 (UTC) If anybody comes across any reviews on this one let me know,i am waiting waiting... Luis www.myspace.com/luisangulocom ____________________________________________________________________________________Ready for the edge of your seat? Check out tonight's top picks on Yahoo! TV. http://tv.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 3 10:02:05 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9266A3BF2B; Sun, 3 Jun 2007 10:02:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=4jg55fljqBKNQH8MtCQOR6DFaTIBJLBDuOCvnNjEYjJvjHvFQJQSQOqXnSb4avzcL0EBUkvfIEjW1aOkmRfsQpBARgVhT/j3oOgbd8LgRtAp6IW7C0pI+CV8ulIa0dmDLaKkmW3m/oTYB2gzBLQVGk8jvpgRXeZbhoBQDesc55w=; X-YMail-OSG: 6swZ8bcVM1mOlvaehd72kyU1RUuDlVtlbtSGuiLzCGD1KeVDFMtHPeYvlWrXCa5u84nI0hfXrLhPGrSoPlIMz6htiZUg.bLt2yoZG4onq7ljpYuMzCCg6XtIJoaySg-- Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2007 03:02:04 -0700 (PDT) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: RE: POST YOUR SETUP To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <005a01c7a366$dca0dcf0$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <213240.22380.qm@web38608.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: <92UI4D.A.NnB.dGpYGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70754 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2007 10:02:05 +0000 (UTC) Hey Michael interesting steup! I got a fernandes as well,is the midi pickup on the fernandes built in or one of those external ones? got any picutres of it? cheers Luis --- Michael Peters wrote: > this is my favorite setup for sessions and band gigs > at the moment. There > are different ones (involving EDP, more signal > processors, and different > amps) for different kinds of music. > > Fernandez Sustainer Guitar ----> Boss GT-5 ----> > Line6 DL4 (left) ----> > Musicman amp > Fernandez Sustainer Guitar Midi Pickup ----> Axon > AX66 ----> EMU Vintage > Keys ----> Boss SE-70 ----> Volume Pedal ----> Line6 > DL4 (right) ----> > Musicman amp > > :-) very simple. I've grown too old to schlepp tons > of gear. > > -Michael www.michaelpeters.de > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom ____________________________________________________________________________________ Pinpoint customers who are looking for what you sell. http://searchmarketing.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 3 10:02:28 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 728FD3BF2F; Sun, 3 Jun 2007 10:02:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=bsOVUcVbaANjdLpgwX2G61/d4PsJtoHLC+KldtAhLYwOuNoXVUHEQK+fWdRpo9lPq/a3DOzKl2/5C/In+NqlTzRwC1kDppohH7yX47FRvVpZv+sUtP30F0KP1sHijmXUOH5zTVXACO3IatYMhWSGu49GSwfkIGZ5UbDmqshsjQk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=c+ez6P59VV6o2ChMdlUSSLXtiDos4PjuKK9QPywoktc0XnRi+lqaxBtmMDBGTSZAtevMCU3O3KwuorOzH0McKqEpRqzmz284Pl/j1J/cLYXXDnHi3VbBSGoWzi1LGtzuVkzH8zCF+d3H2J/YR9hi4ptj6yFJYY7q209OAbSMEWE= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <20070603085417.A4CE83BF18@arsenic.violacea.com> References: <20070603085417.A4CE83BF18@arsenic.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Group of people looping. Is there such thing ? Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2007 12:02:24 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70755 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2007 10:02:28 +0000 (UTC) On 3 jun 2007, at 10.54, Jens Wolters wrote: > My idea is having a group with drums, guitar, bass and sax with > different loops totally in sync. More of a techno pattern approach. > I am not really shure if this is possible at all. Depends on what is your definition of "totally in sync". In techno we dislike un-intentional flam hits of any kind. That accuracy of sync is not even possible by MIDI clock sync between machines. The machine- like precision is to a great deal what defines techno. Best sync is achieved by using one system for looping all sources, as opposed to trying to sync different local systems. Mobius would work for that, as set up for multiple inputs of audio and then each player addresses his track/tracks for looping his instrument by external MIDI control. I know one group that this. You can also achieve "techno pattern proof" sync between different applications on the same computer system by using ReWire sync. I have done MIDI Clock sync a lot in groups and most times I've been happy with it. The problem is that the synced devices loose the rhythmic drive, but this can be worked around by running timing sensible stuff on the unit that is also the slave master (meaning it sends out MIDI Clock for the others to catch up with, as best as they can ;-) Another problem might be "MIDI sync latency", meaning that units may go in approximately the same tempo but eventually one is lagging after (because this particular device need more time to digest the incoming sync signal) . This is only a problem with programmed, sequence-like material taht depend on "the grid" in the sync pulse, but it's usually no problem when musicians are playing - as we rather play to the music we hear than to a somewhat incorrect tempo reference of the synced machine. A fourth concept I have also found good when looping with groups is to use looping devices that are not synced. Then each musician keeps instantly regenerating his loop, changing the loop length so it will spin in tempo with the music. The EDP is very good at that, but MObius can also be set up for it (typically ending Overdub or Multiply with Record). Next week I'm going for a festival where I will be "group looping". I bring two laptops with rather equal looping systems; Mobius in Bidule and Augustus Loop in Ableton Live. Although Live is not a happy sync slave it does work and if needed to sync up I can use the Augustus/ Live setup. The Mobius version I prefer to use is a beta that has not yet been finished in the syncing department, so the Mobius rig is for running the master (sending out MIDI Clock). Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://www.myspace.com/looproom http://www.jamendo.com/en/artist/per.boysen/ http://www.jamendo.com/en/artist/lo.fi.lazer/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 3 10:06:20 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DB88A3BF20; Sun, 3 Jun 2007 10:06:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Jens Wolters" To: Subject: AW: Group of people looping. Is there such thing ? Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2007 12:06:27 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Thread-Index: Acelxk0p9Cy/z6ieRES1v41aFKGwlwAACKIA In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <20070603100618.06EC83BF1E@arsenic.violacea.com> Resent-Message-ID: <462Yh.A.36B.bKpYGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70756 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2007 10:06:19 +0000 (UTC) Per, that is exactly the conclusion I just came too. I am trying Mobius right now. This seems to be perfect. But what is Mobius in Bidule? Is Bidule a bit like maxMSP ?? =20 Greetings Jens -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- Von: Per Boysen [mailto:perboysen@gmail.com]=20 Gesendet: Sonntag, 3. Juni 2007 12:02 An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Betreff: Re: Group of people looping. Is there such thing ? On 3 jun 2007, at 10.54, Jens Wolters wrote: > My idea is having a group with drums, guitar, bass and sax with =20 > different loops totally in sync. More of a techno pattern approach. =20 > I am not really shure if this is possible at all. Depends on what is your definition of "totally in sync". In techno we =20 dislike un-intentional flam hits of any kind. That accuracy of sync =20 is not even possible by MIDI clock sync between machines. The machine-=20 like precision is to a great deal what defines techno. Best sync is =20 achieved by using one system for looping all sources, as opposed to =20 trying to sync different local systems. Mobius would work for that, =20 as set up for multiple inputs of audio and then each player addresses =20 his track/tracks for looping his instrument by external MIDI control. =20 I know one group that this. You can also achieve "techno pattern proof" sync between different =20 applications on the same computer system by using ReWire sync. I have done MIDI Clock sync a lot in groups and most times I've been =20 happy with it. The problem is that the synced devices loose the =20 rhythmic drive, but this can be worked around by running timing =20 sensible stuff on the unit that is also the slave master (meaning it =20 sends out MIDI Clock for the others to catch up with, as best as they =20 can ;-) Another problem might be "MIDI sync latency", meaning that =20 units may go in approximately the same tempo but eventually one is =20 lagging after (because this particular device need more time to =20 digest the incoming sync signal) . This is only a problem with =20 programmed, sequence-like material taht depend on "the grid" in the =20 sync pulse, but it's usually no problem when musicians are playing - =20 as we rather play to the music we hear than to a somewhat incorrect =20 tempo reference of the synced machine. A fourth concept I have also found good when looping with groups is =20 to use looping devices that are not synced. Then each musician keeps =20 instantly regenerating his loop, changing the loop length so it will =20 spin in tempo with the music. The EDP is very good at that, but =20 MObius can also be set up for it (typically ending Overdub or =20 Multiply with Record). Next week I'm going for a festival where I will be "group looping". I =20 bring two laptops with rather equal looping systems; Mobius in Bidule =20 and Augustus Loop in Ableton Live. Although Live is not a happy sync =20 slave it does work and if needed to sync up I can use the Augustus/=20 Live setup. The Mobius version I prefer to use is a beta that has not =20 yet been finished in the syncing department, so the Mobius rig is for =20 running the master (sending out MIDI Clock). Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://www.myspace.com/looproom http://www.jamendo.com/en/artist/per.boysen/ http://www.jamendo.com/en/artist/lo.fi.lazer/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 3 10:12:20 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1D5A83BF29; Sun, 3 Jun 2007 10:12:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=SUrWnLp0PSe4po1a9s2F8kPvkSMBft4pi88Eu/VTJTqjtvxNqjng1khalTEtLS4zAiUNH6Sf8drMHZrSeg9TJB1RKtNmhe4/95YDpxLjUtDglM1YF6UvWTvhGVTQjKPo80s0r6WiRGo414th/BfT8kXajcvB3sGO6tzjTaKGLew=; X-YMail-OSG: XiN2gpQVM1nbH7dbAsgGgx2XjtfysiOfyazvlIJ9Ik37ozmMp1nwMZa59QqSCgDM3ObQ4uOftfNjv0QJElRnpzEiM9ik6MYIrYEM Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2007 03:12:17 -0700 (PDT) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: RE: POST YOUR SETUP To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <005a01c7a366$dca0dcf0$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <783018.62765.qm@web38602.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70757 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2007 10:12:20 +0000 (UTC) Not to exciting to look at but there it is... http://www.flickr.com/photos/8662117@N04/ Now if there was a one space 12 to 16 channel Rack Mackie type mixer with 2 aux sends and alt3/4 i would be in heaven! Luis www.myspace.com/luisangulocom ____________________________________________________________________________________ Got a little couch potato? Check out fun summer activities for kids. http://search.yahoo.com/search?fr=oni_on_mail&p=summer+activities+for+kids&cs=bz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 3 10:14:19 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F04143BF27; Sun, 3 Jun 2007 10:14:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "nick@12testing.net" To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Sun, 03 Jun 2007 11:13:39 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: the best.... the worst.... Reply-To: nick@12testing.net Message-ID: <4662A263.9951.5B3B68@nick.12testing.net> Priority: normal In-reply-to: <8C97381174D7FDD-137C-6EF5@mblk-r31.sysops.aol.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.31) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body Resent-Message-ID: <9mszKB.A.WfC.6RpYGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70758 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2007 10:14:18 +0000 (UTC) The best is setting up a dreamy seamless loop the worst is ruining it by forgetting to start a "violined" note with the volume off From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 3 10:34:07 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 75F1B3BF3E; Sun, 3 Jun 2007 10:34:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=TM28xyxEaOivUit4KIeifJlIPHbBSS4EDawe13HAfI0AEOBofuQQGGYWvvvS4d/rjokdP/QguJ50zl6kgXOYrWgRs+DvTScm3JN+meW/U25TYvliHfCByEdzDij2qIkp2vpfaA2D4grTsltZDE5BMY9aazJmV89aUR9RXAKjvUc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=mscYBYWjvoyoFDgUcmJzvzQmnpaVECGfS53Sz+B/Kx70L9Chgokp3iFl4pJhNnDHoahjAPB/H5ilifz9TK2FIA5xgjsrWQ2XQKi+5LfThvvqXJuWUqVjBP+rjkZSsz2rOCnaPOUEIvWaJA26hseYtXi/ham+SbH8CyZNZdgRij4= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <20070603100618.06EC83BF1E@arsenic.violacea.com> References: <20070603100618.06EC83BF1E@arsenic.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <3393A982-2C82-4882-BE68-6D807A3A3B37@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: AW: Group of people looping. Is there such thing ? Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2007 12:33:59 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70759 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2007 10:34:07 +0000 (UTC) On 3 jun 2007, at 12.06, Jens Wolters wrote: > Per, > > that is exactly the conclusion I just came too. I am trying Mobius > right > now. This seems to be perfect. > > But what is Mobius in Bidule? Is Bidule a bit like maxMSP ?? Yes. For my own needs I can achieve the same with Bidule as I would otherwise use maxMSP for. maxMSP is deeper for the "tweakers by heart" while Bidule has a user interface that is faster to get going with. I tried both but made my choice for Bidule, also because Bidule handles time in a musical way; as tempo and note duration, while maxMSP handles time in a technical way; as milliseconds. I have especially found Bidule good on the PC platform as a host for VST plug-ins. All plug-ins that have any tempo related functionality immediately give you the option to set them either be a sync master or the sync slave to some other plug-in. Typically I run Mobius as the sync master plug-in VST and everything else synced to Mobius VST by Bidule's built-in syncing system. Bidule's system is not ReWire and not MIDI Clock... I don't know what it, but it works well. On the Mac I don't use Bidule because the built-in sync is not working well with AU plug-ins and the Mac LOoper I prefer, Augustus Loop, is an AU plug-in. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://www.myspace.com/looproom http://www.jamendo.com/en/artist/per.boysen/ http://www.jamendo.com/en/artist/lo.fi.lazer/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 3 10:37:20 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C67C43BF38; Sun, 3 Jun 2007 10:37:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=UzlQfBTPCvMR2caxXASAEqg00iApiNuptII5ATfDZSiS+Zgh9h7uFmeZEEnRAurcBdy/Bq+723/AoeqmmBXYyH/lsVIAssiztwe7+cFIsvP+zjmZ3VPzGhbvRBY1u07qv963XgaMhrUy2toQR6SzXOTAdCkED6Ev01mnHQIEtxI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=VySLlBtoL5Sy71IA9yUEjBBZNnP1kjbf+bFxAwZKdZJf3xQRjSjAvbXp15GFJONyhXVsaHaG8kRs1HK7+ULhBfp1OgvbRr1Ia3efWKNYQSW07g/C3MvzGAXT4q++nM7fPm4SKUxBa2077JIUvTSexqyqBqDaE5hSq36QMj9G8Dk= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <783018.62765.qm@web38602.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <783018.62765.qm@web38602.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: POST YOUR SETUP Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2007 12:37:16 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70760 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2007 10:37:20 +0000 (UTC) On 3 jun 2007, at 12.12, L.A. Angulo wrote: > Not to exciting to look at but there it is... > http://www.flickr.com/photos/8662117@N04/ He, he... reminds me of my 2003 rig: http://www.looproom.com/bilder/looping_rack.gif Today I draw my gear limit where I can still do a gig without needing to get a car :-) per From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 3 11:08:44 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6C6813BF3B; Sun, 3 Jun 2007 11:08:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4662A13B.9030500@f2s.com> Date: Sun, 03 Jun 2007 12:08:43 +0100 From: Bill Trible User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.12 (Windows/20070509) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: AW: Group of people looping. Is there such thing ? References: <20070603092519.89C463BF1B@arsenic.violacea.com> In-Reply-To: <20070603092519.89C463BF1B@arsenic.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <1MWJbD.A.9AF.8EqYGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70761 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2007 11:08:44 +0000 (UTC) Yeah sounds better, let me know if it works out!

I guess you'll have fun connecting all those controllers to one PC...

Jens Wolters wrote:

Mhh. I just had a different idea.

We use a Software looper (with maxMSP and LIVE maybe) and every musician gets his own Midi Pedal (or pad) connected to one Computer.

The loops should be recorded and played in sync of course. That way everybody could control is own loops. But everything is in sync. Even without MIDI (which gives problem all the time as we experienced)

Greetings Jens

Von: Bill Trible [mailto:ultra@f2s.com]
Gesendet: Sonntag, 3. Juni 2007 11:09
An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Betreff: Re: Group of people looping. Is there such thing ?

Sounds like you need one MIDI source as your click and a splitter to route that to all your loop devices?

Jens Wolters wrote:

Hi guys,

My idea is having a group with drums, guitar, bass and sax with different loops totally in sync. More of a techno pattern approach. I am not really shure if this is possible at all.

We tried some approaches but it was really hard and didn’t quite work out as I wanted it to.

I have seen tons of videos from guitar players, bass player or singers playing drones or looping themselves. I have not seen a group of people looping in sync though.

Any live footage would be very welcome.

Greetings Jens

-- http://myspace.com/infancy
From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 3 11:14:42 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 18F093BF2D; Sun, 3 Jun 2007 11:14:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4662A2A1.6000803@f2s.com> Date: Sun, 03 Jun 2007 12:14:41 +0100 From: Bill Trible User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.12 (Windows/20070509) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: AW: Group of people looping. Is there such thing ? References: <20070603100618.06EC83BF1E@arsenic.violacea.com> <3393A982-2C82-4882-BE68-6D807A3A3B37@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <3393A982-2C82-4882-BE68-6D807A3A3B37@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70762 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2007 11:14:42 +0000 (UTC) Sounds good... what I want to be able to do is start/stop a metronome and mobius at the same time - could I do that in Bidule?

Per Boysen wrote:
On 3 jun 2007, at 12.06, Jens Wolters wrote:

Per,

that is exactly the conclusion I just came too. I am trying Mobius right
now. This seems to be perfect.

But what is Mobius in Bidule? Is Bidule a bit like maxMSP ??

Yes. For my own needs I can achieve the same with Bidule as I would otherwise use maxMSP for. maxMSP is deeper for the "tweakers by heart" while Bidule has a user interface that is faster to get going with. I tried both but made my choice for Bidule, also because Bidule handles time in a musical way; as tempo and note duration, while maxMSP handles time in a technical way; as milliseconds.

I have especially found Bidule good on the PC platform as a host for VST plug-ins. All plug-ins that have any tempo related functionality immediately give you the option to set them either be a sync master or the sync slave to some other plug-in. Typically I run Mobius as the sync master plug-in VST and everything else synced to Mobius VST by Bidule's built-in syncing system. Bidule's system is not ReWire and not MIDI Clock... I don't know what it, but it works well.

On the Mac I don't use Bidule because the built-in sync is not working well with AU plug-ins and the Mac LOoper I prefer, Augustus Loop, is an AU plug-in.

Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
www.boysen.se (Swedish)
www.looproom.com (international)
http://www.myspace.com/looproom
http://www.jamendo.com/en/artist/per.boysen/
http://www.jamendo.com/en/artist/lo.fi.lazer/

-- http://myspace.com/infancy
From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 3 11:29:25 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AE0993BF2F; Sun, 3 Jun 2007 11:29:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=PUGnlRgo77NnVpha04ORIbdWdvJMjeGTuZ2rro8wt0cM/SZBbi1lkrdJ1O4/vYDBRy/sdr7YwoC2o84dc3BK2RSxbfayUAYtG2UffynHeQC6EA10vB9WdUc6G+u1mB6ALQ3gLDbvrqws8BgvjW6sogxnF5yTrsQuA5oYQJsqnyg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=g8eWF7XKhDJHD1wmxp861TOFw+QzcCw/+JsgPc0Jzgyo+2y5h4X9KminMUe7bqNdaf8zS4idNssYwdEkAaVIJwyJZzHgOSIBmAcwSajZxwxh+yfe22rBvqACHxjqkr/jxhc6lpSOJQnp+d/crvySFCxRUeC7SLL0wlM24L9oKVY= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <4662A2A1.6000803@f2s.com> References: <20070603100618.06EC83BF1E@arsenic.violacea.com> <3393A982-2C82-4882-BE68-6D807A3A3B37@gmail.com> <4662A2A1.6000803@f2s.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <40F9B73E-9AD5-4470-AAE9-C4A8F4D5CB7D@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: AW: Group of people looping. Is there such thing ? Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2007 13:29:21 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70763 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2007 11:29:25 +0000 (UTC) On 3 jun 2007, at 13.14, Bill Trible wrote: > Sounds good... what I want to be able to do is start/stop a > metronome and mobius at the same time - could I do that in Bidule? Yes. Set whatever VST plug-in you want to use as the metronome to sync to Mobius VST, which you set to "sync master". Hold down the right mouse button on the VST plug-in graphic symbol in Bidule to open the drop-down menu where the syncing proprieties can be set. per From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 3 12:05:12 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 53F1D3BF27; Sun, 3 Jun 2007 12:05:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=2Gi0XNqNlHTElLhW4CfXlPwXx0mKotejlvN3O8yEZfJPM1eHZmV3u8s83zeld6MauUNlALLjKn44kEFWQV6WAKRaxpyIQSW+fS7Co1A3RZ5yJU/BjbhQsWw6vGfEDsECtyB3EZ3Nwr3ezPomkKSq0Q8Lh2OHwDTcGjnSPW1ZBEA=; X-YMail-OSG: mIFAFyYVM1kEGIf.F4gdig67fxYkWhB.lnt9wKtihBwVDw3crlrWtWfAZSwN9hNDBeev31Fpoeh5LFLnu_Ieu8okvdf9KUd5iihtiq9_rM2aAnOj0zc- Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2007 05:05:09 -0700 (PDT) From: Dan Subject: Re re : A shameless spam and call for help answer To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <1fe250a7357f63b91481187fcae1e658@glasswing.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <125960.11933.qm@web33605.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: <1W0zdC.A.zgH.35qYGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70764 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2007 12:05:12 +0000 (UTC) Excellent Brother!!! :o) I think I can feel the breeze formed by the winds of positive change that are blowing now! I do appreciate the open invitation very much it sounds extremely gorgeous up there. Surrounding yourself with such beauty what a dream for me. I am happy to hear of your daughters successes and I wish many more blessings for you and yours that God will give. I am that person that John Reuter of the late "The Noodles" and I think current "Grateful Arizona" refers to as his very accomplished student. I graduated from Roberto-Venn (www.roberto-venn.com) with all their and Gods help and received my international certification as luthier guitar technician back in the Spring of 2000. I have only built 2 guitars one jumbo acoustic built from woods you can find growing in Oregon! Cloves come from the tree also known as pepperwood or myrtle (Umbellularia genus)- Rosewood family group- In California better known as the laurel. They tend to blend different species together locally around here too. I finally have some Osage Orange ready to and working currently on my new design prototypes. My first electric was made from "King Koa" it is a dream to play and the tone is simply second to none. African mahogany body and neck. Another couple of the seminar instructors that comes in to R. Venn School of Luthiery Rick Turner and Seymour Duncan have teemed up and designed the "D Tar" acoustic preamplification of sorts to die for. I installed Seymours classic live wires and absolutely love em. 18 volts of the cleanest power I have ever found. A couple of months ago I jammed with and hosted in my partially flooded basement "The" one and only Johny Barbata of The Turtles, Joel Scott Hill Trio, Jefferson Airplane, Sammy Hagar etc. etc.... He wants me to come down and record with him in his new studio in Oklahoma when things settle down for him. His wife has very serious sclerosis of the liver and he is healing her up with Native American healing herbs with great results. I fed him some organic eggs I cooked up quickly and he was off to his booksigning at Kutz Music here by my house in Pittsburg Kansas. It was such a pleasure having him and Joel "Truman" Scott Hill come down. Back to John Reuter and William Eaton they are or may have already completed the designing and building of "The Jerrycaster" cocobolo dreams by the way he describes it! I have met the keyboardist for the late Garcia and heard him play live jammin around with my fellow students in Johns band. He seemed like a very kind soul and I had a very powerful but painful vision that he could of been a large cause of. They do call that area and more of around Sedona Arizona "The Vortex" It is very positive I can assure you as my experiences were incredible despite my near death experiences and doctor saying back then you need to get rid of this stress. "If you do not you are on the verge of a heart attack" She was my doctor and chiropractor that really snapped me out of it so to speak. God bless Janet Judge and her practice! Well not trying to be so long winded but I am glad to hear of you and your daughters recent successes for sure keep in touch my family members are up in Bend Oregon too. I sure would love to have a big ol mess of them organic blueberries I eat them like constantly and my God parents live in Holland Michigan where blueberries are big business as well. I love pickin em right off the bush and poppin em in. Man ol mighty I am gonna go check out your webpage sites now. Take care and true joyful Peace B With You and Yours!!! Thank you :o) --- Richard Sales wrote: > Thanks Dan! > > I'm gonna try to figure out how to do the friend addy etc. Couldn't > find Daniel Albertini on myspace! DID find a Daniel Albertini on a > guitar page talking about Jerry Garcia's guitars. Was that you? Are > you a dead fan? I was auditioned for that band (keyboards), wrote > music for their last Chinese New Years show... produced their friend > Wavy Gravy way back when. > > Checked out Don Alder - wow! Furious fingers of fire! > > Don't really know that many folks up here. Moved here from Portland > Oregon in 03. Since that time have mostly been working helping my > daughter into the music business. So I've met a lot of folks touring > with her etc. But we're on Vancouver Island which is 2 hours by ferry > from the mainland (Vancouver). So I'm either here working on the farm > (organic blueberries), working on music (practicing / writing) or > recording or touring with her. Her record is 18 and rising on the > charts here now. Lots of very big wingdings lining up behind her. I > think, as Universal Music does, that you'll be hearing a lot from her > in the next year or so. > > I've always put myself after those I've been helping. But I have such > a huge backlog of material I thought I should start moving it out into > the world - hence "Grandpappy Twice". Plus, I'm 59 and it's occurred > to me that if I'm ever gonna stick it out there I should start soon. > > If you're ever up this way give a call. And thanks so much. The more > we help each other, the more we help ourselves! > > richard sales > glassWing farm and studio > vancouver island, b.c. > 800.545.6846 > 250.752.4816 > www.glassWing.com > www.richardsales.com > www.hayleysales.com > www.grandpappytwice.com (coming soon!) > > On 2-Jun-07, at 12:49 AM, Dan wrote: > > > Man I will do what I can to let everybody know Im on there too who's > > Grandma isn't now? Right? > > Link up on my friend addy and be sure to check out another very good > > aquaintance I have jammed > > with in www.wvfest.com aka Winfield Walnut Valley International Finger > > and Flatpickin, violin, > > mandolin, dulcimers of all colors etc. etc. Championships. He and the > > studio is actually right > > there in Vancouver Canada! www.donalder.com and on myspace Daniel > > Albertini. My page is growing > > and one music video (The One) and clips of indie films I have had tiny > > acting parts and > > appearances in. There has been numerous people from Canada coming to > > the > > www.barebonesfilmfestivals.com as well as Jean Savoie amazing > > bassplayer and fellow luthier up > > there too. I last heard he was playing on cruize ships making boo koo > > bucks but bored miserable > > for the most part. I gotta look him up again maybe he is on myspace > > as well? My last amazingly > > talented singer I played for Amanda Rainey lived in Vancouver a good > > part of her life and visits > > often whenever she can, she is in California now. I could not > > possibly remember all of the humans > > up there I have met. Mr C.G.P. (certified guitar player) himself > > Tommy Emmanuel has been up there > > touring as well. Link up bro! Have Fun and the best of luck to you > > and your bandmates. I still > > have a lot of work to do and look forward to the ride ahead maybe we > > will hook up some time? > > Visions of Whirled Peas B With You :o) > > _______________________________________________________________________ > > _____________ > > Boardwalk for $500? In 2007? Ha! Play Monopoly Here and Now (it's > > updated for today's economy) at Yahoo! Games. > > http://get.games.yahoo.com/proddesc?gamekey=monopolyherenow > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Expecting? Get great news right away with email Auto-Check. Try the Yahoo! Mail Beta. http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/mailbeta/newmail_tools.html From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 3 12:12:09 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4692A3BF2D; Sun, 3 Jun 2007 12:12:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <20070603141210.glvbevgm4gkggsc4@webmail.gebaeude7.de> Date: Sun, 03 Jun 2007 14:12:10 +0200 From: jenswolters@gebaeude7.de To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: AW: Group of people looping. Is there such thing ? References: <20070603100618.06EC83BF1E@arsenic.violacea.com> <3393A982-2C82-4882-BE68-6D807A3A3B37@gmail.com> <4662A2A1.6000803@f2s.com> <40F9B73E-9AD5-4470-AAE9-C4A8F4D5CB7D@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <40F9B73E-9AD5-4470-AAE9-C4A8F4D5CB7D@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.1) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70765 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2007 12:12:09 +0000 (UTC) Per, Bidule ist just excellent. Super easy to use. Thanks so much ! I can't get the sync stuff with mobius get working yet though. Mobius runs as a VST plugin inside Bidule and I am using the "audiofile/looper" bidule for testing. Inside the looper I choose mobius as a sync source. When I start recording in mobius I think the looper thing should start. But it doesn't. Anything that I have to do inside mobius ? You wrote something about setting mobius as a master. I cannot find where to do that. Greetings Jens > On 3 jun 2007, at 13.14, Bill Trible wrote: >> Sounds good... what I want to be able to do is start/stop a >> metronome and mobius at the same time - could I do that in Bidule? > > Yes. Set whatever VST plug-in you want to use as the metronome to sync > to Mobius VST, which you set to "sync master". Hold down the right > mouse button on the VST plug-in graphic symbol in Bidule to open the > drop-down menu where the syncing proprieties can be set. > > per From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 3 12:23:26 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CF4C23BF22; Sun, 3 Jun 2007 12:23:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=arfXIFNZ6rjNiMT/pVUAdZbbFuE/qF8eePA4dTipf0mp5YPmDg6ZpUOSdUGbJ2kTfXoJFuDFm10K0QcmgiB+WUJuCRLZ5ygQmz7Iv/9jIV9SOBUqzO3bBl7DBkuIJLToJeHgXFuKW+It9zW4KTOzg4agsvTERYnJQ8n/bf0gi4s= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=mcb5vKErq/6lA8Y0TjiFI16C84JkrJrqMUb+S/PQnMzUWl8bBSLJYH6luUyC2aSIhujzPpj/soC/Epl/FeGwBm5REf1wEAj6CXMHJ/cpPTEYP6MOb3UFa3X14qjfug/TA326Mbgph+KcMY5QRij/MfuPIF2BtLUSfv4nKe/+Xfo= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <20070603141210.glvbevgm4gkggsc4@webmail.gebaeude7.de> References: <20070603100618.06EC83BF1E@arsenic.violacea.com> <3393A982-2C82-4882-BE68-6D807A3A3B37@gmail.com> <4662A2A1.6000803@f2s.com> <40F9B73E-9AD5-4470-AAE9-C4A8F4D5CB7D@gmail.com> <20070603141210.glvbevgm4gkggsc4@webmail.gebaeude7.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: AW: Group of people looping. Is there such thing ? Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2007 14:23:21 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70766 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2007 12:23:26 +0000 (UTC) On 3 jun 2007, at 14.12, jenswolters@gebaeude7.de wrote: > Mobius runs as a VST plugin inside Bidule and I am using the > "audiofile/looper" bidule for testing. Inside the looper I choose > mobius as a sync source. > When I start recording in mobius I think the looper thing should > start. But it doesn't. Anything that I have to do inside mobius ? I think the convenient auto sync function in Bidule is taking advantage of something in the VST protocol. Works fine with all syncable VST plug-ins I use. I have no experience with the bidule object "audiofile/looper", since I don't need playback of prerecorded audio in my setup. > You wrote something about setting mobius as a master. I cannot find > where to do that. Check out this screen-shot: http://www.looproom.com/ bidule7patch_pboy.JPG. To the left of each plug-in representing graphic "box" there is a little green "S" if the VST plug-in has syncing capabilities. As you see I have set Mobius to "m" while the other's to "s". I have noticed that before I have opened another syncable VST plug-in in my Bidule set-up, the Bidule Mobous box does not display the sync tag. But as soon as I add another one, the sync tags are displayed - probably this answers why you can't find out where to set the Master role for Mobius; it has still no other plug-in to send sync to. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://www.myspace.com/looproom http://www.jamendo.com/en/artist/per.boysen/ http://www.jamendo.com/en/artist/lo.fi.lazer/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 3 12:28:39 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B7C893BF30; Sun, 3 Jun 2007 12:28:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Michael Peters" To: "'L.A. Angulo'" , "Loopers Delight" References: <213240.22380.qm@web38608.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: RE: POST YOUR SETUP Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2007 14:12:03 +0200 Message-ID: <007401c7a5d8$66f994a0$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Thread-Index: Acel0AJuFlntWkp4TyK30KBEf7SNFQABe4oQ In-Reply-To: <213240.22380.qm@web38608.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70767 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2007 12:28:39 +0000 (UTC) > I got a fernandes as well,is the midi pickup on the > fernandes built in or one of those external ones? it is an external GK-2A. > got any picutres of it? 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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 3 13:05:21 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B6A4E3BF2A; Sun, 3 Jun 2007 13:05:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=lO/Y0lJFIvYu2zJ7yoeEvOIQdOPzC6piOddHy3YNZmiBjRfckfkKoH3f+Pju34/u+0Ykg0GN+I+zzef4XoBWdSF8j2jovlygK+IPeSmVebiR+4uMNaI+Llvd5Kq8VJyNIJjsJ9TuLdxA03TkOi+HbT5YjAudSnvX0bMxdiblVYU=; X-YMail-OSG: Uya5gacVM1l74rQEywy_bZ9T6znYmCYzCfAOv3BqvqnFi49yedz0ExhoHjEQprVhokqTzHZHjLKv5wyCqgHRrAhQ0H.x6poY5rOCIytbkB7P.orPyWc7ZNb.Y9j2Gw-- Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2007 06:05:20 -0700 (PDT) From: Dan Subject: Re: Live Loopers on youtube To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20070530154644.813D43BED3@arsenic.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <29253.57092.qm@web33603.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70768 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2007 13:05:21 +0000 (UTC) O yeah, how about starting with my buddies Andy Mckee, Billy Mclaughlin, Don Alder, don't forget Tommy Emmanuel and his and mine Alesis midiverb 3. Phil Keaggy and Salvation Army Band is jawdropping! Have you seen glasswingfarm studios work up off the ocean coast Island Canadian Vancouver yet? He has been emailing me recently a very interesting cat and kindly respectful indeed as well. I am working on getting some more videos up of my live boomerang phrase sampler looping improvising. Have fun and continued loopy blessings, have fun :o) Daniel T. Albertini on myspace too still learning but join up if you wish on my friends pages! --- Jens Wolters wrote: > Hi guys, > > > > I am wondering if anybody can recommend live looping videos on youtube? I am > mainly interested in group playing. Other video sources than youtube are of > course welcome. > > Also I would be very interested in recommended listening. > > > > Thanks and greetings Jens > > ___________________________________________________________________________________ You snooze, you lose. Get messages ASAP with AutoCheck in the all-new Yahoo! Mail Beta. http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/mailbeta/newmail_html.html From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 3 13:52:34 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0D2693BF36; Sun, 3 Jun 2007 13:52:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <20070603155235.7xkkulm2yqsw8wgc@webmail.gebaeude7.de> Date: Sun, 03 Jun 2007 15:52:35 +0200 From: jenswolters@gebaeude7.de To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: AW: Group of people looping. Is there such thing ? References: <20070603100618.06EC83BF1E@arsenic.violacea.com> <3393A982-2C82-4882-BE68-6D807A3A3B37@gmail.com> <4662A2A1.6000803@f2s.com> <40F9B73E-9AD5-4470-AAE9-C4A8F4D5CB7D@gmail.com> <20070603141210.glvbevgm4gkggsc4@webmail.gebaeude7.de> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.1) Resent-Message-ID: <9FuuQ.A.jYF.hesYGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70769 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2007 13:52:33 +0000 (UTC) Hi Per, im not quite there. Put I thinks are clearer now. The syncing inside =20 Bidule works. But It think mobius is not set up correctly. I did the =20 following. 1) created a step sequencer, it sends timeclock to ohmforce echo =20 plugin. When changing tempo on the sequencer the tempo on echo plugin =20 also changes. the step sequencer ist master in this case. So syncing works in general. 2) no it tried mobius as a master. the delay plugin being slave of =20 mobius. Whatever I tried in mobius the delay tempo stayed at 120bpm. =20 so this doesn't work. 3) now the step sequencer is master again. But this time I routed the =20 clock to mobius. So step sequencer is first master. mobius is slave. =20 but mobius is also second master and sends its clock to the delay. =20 This time the tempo of the delay changes to the tempo of the step =20 sequencer and the tempo of mobius. This shows me the problem in this case is mobius. It doesnt seem to =20 create some kinda of time clock when I am looping and not feeding it =20 with some kind of time code. Maybe it is just me not knowing how to set up mobius ? Greetings Jens > On 3 jun 2007, at 14.12, jenswolters@gebaeude7.de wrote: > >> Mobius runs as a VST plugin inside Bidule and I am using the =20 >> "audiofile/looper" bidule for testing. Inside the looper I choose =20 >> mobius as a sync source. >> When I start recording in mobius I think the looper thing should =20 >> start. But it doesn't. Anything that I have to do inside mobius ? > > I think the convenient auto sync function in Bidule is taking advantage > of something in the VST protocol. Works fine with all syncable VST > plug-ins I use. I have no experience with the bidule object > "audiofile/looper", since I don't need playback of prerecorded audio in > my setup. > > >> You wrote something about setting mobius as a master. I cannot find =20 >> where to do that. > > Check out this screen-shot: > http://www.looproom.com/bidule7patch_pboy.JPG. To the left of each > plug-in representing graphic "box" there is a little green "S" if the > VST plug-in has syncing capabilities. As you see I have set Mobius to > "m" while the other's to "s". I have noticed that before > > I have opened another syncable VST plug-in in my Bidule set-up, the > Bidule Mobous box does not display the sync tag. But as soon as I add > another one, the sync tags are displayed - probably this answers why > you can't find out where to set the Master role for Mobius; it has > still no other plug-in to send sync to. > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > www.looproom.com (international) > http://www.myspace.com/looproom > http://www.jamendo.com/en/artist/per.boysen/ > http://www.jamendo.com/en/artist/lo.fi.lazer/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 3 14:00:52 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5A6113BF32; Sun, 3 Jun 2007 14:00:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=CP8belEqUMRjnFp5TRwD+oU0py/hP+ozfpKGBmZl7Hk3sVTKvtiVQJm/nW7Hvi4A45P/VFIhP8J7FQ28aTxOCgNdzE84WD6Li0lY/U2FlDfsxjPrXEKIHkvZUOpDq7eTXKRTO2SKqWeGt1H5ALIwfJfF4ms+R3YawIQ4cuJxaUQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=uOeqNmzcwaOVhWVVGCKyQ81zMkKArzEKN3eWAz1lqcVO7LvGn1MAK0W2hMxM/+1vOGyEfcKYfLyX0HQxbpcXQU6a7Ol7GURCufbxbODL9afPU8S4iKFz/VufBBSGDXibVJOJmdqi2WOUc7DTJmPLXLfXpSPJOWuR8enOnaDl/aw= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <20070603155235.7xkkulm2yqsw8wgc@webmail.gebaeude7.de> References: <20070603100618.06EC83BF1E@arsenic.violacea.com> <3393A982-2C82-4882-BE68-6D807A3A3B37@gmail.com> <4662A2A1.6000803@f2s.com> <40F9B73E-9AD5-4470-AAE9-C4A8F4D5CB7D@gmail.com> <20070603141210.glvbevgm4gkggsc4@webmail.gebaeude7.de> <20070603155235.7xkkulm2yqsw8wgc@webmail.gebaeude7.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <23C8338F-240B-47B0-AF94-E4840FAFC5D2@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: AW: Group of people looping. Is there such thing ? Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2007 16:00:46 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70770 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2007 14:00:52 +0000 (UTC) On 3 jun 2007, at 15.52, jenswolters@gebaeude7.de wrote: > 3) now the step sequencer is master again. But this time I routed > the clock to mobius. So step sequencer is first master. mobius is > slave. but mobius is also second master and sends its clock to the > delay. This time the tempo of the delay changes to the tempo of the > step sequencer and the tempo of mobius. Smart trick! > This shows me the problem in this case is mobius. It doesnt seem to > create some kinda of time clock when I am looping and not feeding > it with some kind of time code. It can do. I'm using Moibus as the sync master here for both (1) VST- effects in the same Bidule session as Mobius VST and (2) external tempo dependent equipment (rack fx device or secondary laptop running effetcs, synths and sampler). > Maybe it is just me not knowing how to set up mobius ? There's an excellent html manual at the Mobius web site that explains everything very well. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://www.myspace.com/looproom http://www.jamendo.com/en/artist/per.boysen/ http://www.jamendo.com/en/artist/lo.fi.lazer/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 3 14:04:34 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B3F763BF44; Sun, 3 Jun 2007 14:04:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <20070603160437.kca2ukhw1s040c4s@webmail.gebaeude7.de> Date: Sun, 03 Jun 2007 16:04:37 +0200 From: jenswolters@gebaeude7.de To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: AW: Group of people looping. Is there such thing ? References: <20070603100618.06EC83BF1E@arsenic.violacea.com> <3393A982-2C82-4882-BE68-6D807A3A3B37@gmail.com> <4662A2A1.6000803@f2s.com> <40F9B73E-9AD5-4470-AAE9-C4A8F4D5CB7D@gmail.com> <20070603141210.glvbevgm4gkggsc4@webmail.gebaeude7.de> <20070603155235.7xkkulm2yqsw8wgc@webmail.gebaeude7.de> <23C8338F-240B-47B0-AF94-E4840FAFC5D2@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <23C8338F-240B-47B0-AF94-E4840FAFC5D2@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.1) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70771 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2007 14:04:34 +0000 (UTC) Ok I will read the manual. But maybe you can tell me if I have to setup something in =20 configuration/presets/syncronisation inside mobius at all ? I think that is just important when routing an external clock to =20 mobius, right ? Greetings Jens > On 3 jun 2007, at 15.52, jenswolters@gebaeude7.de wrote: > >> 3) now the step sequencer is master again. But this time I routed =20 >> the clock to mobius. So step sequencer is first master. mobius is =20 >> slave. but mobius is also second master and sends its clock to the =20 >> delay. This time the tempo of the delay changes to the tempo of the =20 >> step sequencer and the tempo of mobius. > > Smart trick! > > >> This shows me the problem in this case is mobius. It doesnt seem to =20 >> create some kinda of time clock when I am looping and not feeding =20 >> it with some kind of time code. > > It can do. I'm using Moibus as the sync master here for both (1) > VST-effects in the same Bidule session as Mobius VST and (2) external > tempo dependent equipment (rack fx device or secondary laptop running > effetcs, synths and sampler). > > >> Maybe it is just me not knowing how to set up mobius ? > > There's an excellent html manual at the Mobius web site that explains > everything very well. > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > www.looproom.com (international) > http://www.myspace.com/looproom > http://www.jamendo.com/en/artist/per.boysen/ > http://www.jamendo.com/en/artist/lo.fi.lazer/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 3 14:16:15 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4753E3BF48; Sun, 3 Jun 2007 14:16:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=e2S+U0WgolWxF+em4ynWyCU2b011LHTJuS4N/redbifFgFjP7KkXaqhqygodflDSMbtfwdkq9iaBbDcPuGhS/CTpUloYIlViAK0eFeBcltzE3Ji3nt/wvdsbbPrcAV/jCzyTbIJmdRHogARNMW6sDMRCFd5OriRcgrcBUFygnSc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=Xe147s/3TQy8B/YJEjRcDRT80aGM1/yB/p9kuVVuG/jMdfGNxgQlImOYNGM1Rjht4wglBnHI43VCIsmBr5/uWTrz1BdwP0KR3kDAOA1n0i3/vndlZ0zrsTRgrAxsPauUoHDMzE4mmgoN/VDK7R/LqFmkabDUZfeF14rJC/dXj1w= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <20070603160437.kca2ukhw1s040c4s@webmail.gebaeude7.de> References: <20070603100618.06EC83BF1E@arsenic.violacea.com> <3393A982-2C82-4882-BE68-6D807A3A3B37@gmail.com> <4662A2A1.6000803@f2s.com> <40F9B73E-9AD5-4470-AAE9-C4A8F4D5CB7D@gmail.com> <20070603141210.glvbevgm4gkggsc4@webmail.gebaeude7.de> <20070603155235.7xkkulm2yqsw8wgc@webmail.gebaeude7.de> <23C8338F-240B-47B0-AF94-E4840FAFC5D2@gmail.com> <20070603160437.kca2ukhw1s040c4s@webmail.gebaeude7.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <7DE0D0AA-5CA9-4AE9-8CD7-8D9E5F2D856B@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: AW: Group of people looping. Is there such thing ? Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2007 16:16:09 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70772 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2007 14:16:15 +0000 (UTC) On 3 jun 2007, at 16.04, jenswolters@gebaeude7.de wrote: > Ok I will read the manual. You're a brave man that rather believes in us shameless individualists of this mailing list! ;-) > But maybe you can tell me if I have to setup something in > configuration/presets/syncronisation inside mobius at all ? Yes. I don't have Mobius handy here so I'm not sure about the menu structure, but inside Mobius you have to go. > I think that is just important when routing an external clock to > mobius, right ? Certainly. p From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 3 15:22:46 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6F9FA3BF1F; Sun, 3 Jun 2007 15:22:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=hanz+TtZW+QOk2xrmTJJNjeoU21NRVsKjHzPVkS0i2nhWLUoCjjiolLKl6nARoeKLdg+DPmrZf2xd/U3EeDrZVNpOmp1r17Jw1VIKCL6WG+oayooSGEbQtLvh/BFo8BJMsVX/Xy563Eft0wtgeZG7gwsC6wBuRY7HSZsVw2ou/I= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=Ixo011cxh8nmsyFoeO3MvvYp1I2M76k7Vvy3rXqkpOWQ07kpDzGn3550G2p2nhARgaJ4i0R73Q4zC8c4m1AoDVJ4SmsUrhP7PXIM35aytIFSlCtigDlkjihURakwjVD4bdqcwnG/Q3FOu46O7e4TClGgyMjo/Hfwfg3BnPU2Vx8= Message-ID: Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2007 10:22:43 -0500 From: "Doug Cox" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: AW: Group of people looping. Is there such thing ? In-Reply-To: <7DE0D0AA-5CA9-4AE9-8CD7-8D9E5F2D856B@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_28699_9039288.1180884163978" References: <20070603100618.06EC83BF1E@arsenic.violacea.com> <3393A982-2C82-4882-BE68-6D807A3A3B37@gmail.com> <4662A2A1.6000803@f2s.com> <40F9B73E-9AD5-4470-AAE9-C4A8F4D5CB7D@gmail.com> <20070603141210.glvbevgm4gkggsc4@webmail.gebaeude7.de> <20070603155235.7xkkulm2yqsw8wgc@webmail.gebaeude7.de> <23C8338F-240B-47B0-AF94-E4840FAFC5D2@gmail.com> <20070603160437.kca2ukhw1s040c4s@webmail.gebaeude7.de> <7DE0D0AA-5CA9-4AE9-8CD7-8D9E5F2D856B@gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: <6TCzAC.A.byC.GztYGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70773 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2007 15:22:46 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_28699_9039288.1180884163978 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline FYI - I am not able to get most of my VSTs to sync to Mobius in Bidule using the built-in sync method. Instead, I setup Mobius to send it's clock out to a virtual MIDI device (Maple MIDI), and then extract that clock to a Bidule sync pulse using the "Clock to Sync" module. Then, any VST I want to sync to Mobius is actually sync'd to the "Clock to Sync" module. Works like a charm. ------=_Part_28699_9039288.1180884163978 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline FYI - I am not able to get most of my VSTs to sync to Mobius in Bidule using the built-in sync method. Instead, I setup Mobius to send it's clock out to a virtual MIDI device (Maple MIDI), and then extract that clock to a Bidule sync pulse using the "Clock to Sync" module. Then, any VST I want to sync to Mobius is actually sync'd to the "Clock to Sync" module.

Works like a charm.
------=_Part_28699_9039288.1180884163978-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 3 15:23:13 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B13CC3BF30; Sun, 3 Jun 2007 15:23:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at cavesofice.org Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2007 11:23:19 -0400 (EDT) From: burnett@pobox.com X-X-Sender: badger@giggles.cavesofice.org To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: MOOG MF-105 MURF In-Reply-To: <20070603003152.D0C503BEF6@arsenic.violacea.com> Message-ID: References: <20070603003152.D0C503BEF6@arsenic.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70774 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2007 15:23:13 +0000 (UTC) On Sun, 3 Jun 2007, Jens Wolters wrote: > Has anybody played one of these? I doubt I'm the only one here, but I've had one of these since they were released, along with its bass-optimized relative the MF-105B. What did you want to know that's not on the Moog page http://www.moogmusic.com/detail.php?main_product_id=111 or in the Gearwire walkthroughs (all hail google): http://www.gearwire.com/moog-moogerfooger-murf-guitar.html http://www.gearwire.com/moog-moogerfooger-murf-keyboard.html ? regards, Steve B Subscape Annex http://www.subscapeannex.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 3 15:53:31 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1FBB33BF2B; Sun, 3 Jun 2007 15:53:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <20070603175334.7ebmgeq1q84w0os4@webmail.gebaeude7.de> Date: Sun, 03 Jun 2007 17:53:34 +0200 From: jenswolters@gebaeude7.de To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: MOOG MF-105 MURF References: <20070603003152.D0C503BEF6@arsenic.violacea.com> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.1) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70775 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2007 15:53:31 +0000 (UTC) Hi, I was wondering if they are any VST plugins that sound like that ? It is really a great piece of gear. But 420 euro is extremly expensive I think. Greetings Jens > On Sun, 3 Jun 2007, Jens Wolters wrote: > >> Has anybody played one of these? > > I doubt I'm the only one here, but I've had one of these since they > were released, along with its bass-optimized relative the MF-105B. What > did you want to know that's not on the Moog page > > http://www.moogmusic.com/detail.php?main_product_id=111 > > or in the Gearwire walkthroughs (all hail google): > > http://www.gearwire.com/moog-moogerfooger-murf-guitar.html > > http://www.gearwire.com/moog-moogerfooger-murf-keyboard.html > > ? > > regards, > Steve B Subscape Annex http://www.subscapeannex.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 3 15:55:26 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4AB413BF24; Sun, 3 Jun 2007 15:55:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: "LD List" Subject: Shameless Self-Promotion Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2007 17:55:38 +0200 Organization: Moinlabs Message-ID: <000301c7a5f7$a35f37a0$1001a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Thread-Index: Acel96EZ7O5evB+bRdecvDQdQo+E8Q== X-RZG-AUTH: lUESeo99iNzPL8kuBgLYdKEqUywq9cxqeRA+BtFcSCD5deQ7OIWABpUZDzY= X-RZG-CLASS-ID: mo07 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70776 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2007 15:55:26 +0000 (UTC) A new song is available from my myspace page: http://www.myspace.com/moinlabs "Crouching Tiger, Hidden Mouse". Techbabble. It starts off with the ending of the tune I played before that - a voice from a looped choir had been fed into OhmBoyz Delay and manipulated there, that one looped into mobius. With the drums entering, MadShifta's pitch shifter and filter is applied to that loop, controlled by a Live clip which controls pitch and filter cutoff. The rest of it is basically beats, noise and guitar playing, before we end with a guitar loop which is again "cutoff" by MadShifta. Rainer From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 3 15:59:02 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DC92E3BF1B; Sun, 3 Jun 2007 15:59:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <20070603175906.d7k8vovwe84soocw@webmail.gebaeude7.de> Date: Sun, 03 Jun 2007 17:59:06 +0200 From: jenswolters@gebaeude7.de To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: AW: Group of people looping. Is there such thing ? References: <20070603100618.06EC83BF1E@arsenic.violacea.com> <3393A982-2C82-4882-BE68-6D807A3A3B37@gmail.com> <4662A2A1.6000803@f2s.com> <40F9B73E-9AD5-4470-AAE9-C4A8F4D5CB7D@gmail.com> <20070603141210.glvbevgm4gkggsc4@webmail.gebaeude7.de> <20070603155235.7xkkulm2yqsw8wgc@webmail.gebaeude7.de> <23C8338F-240B-47B0-AF94-E4840FAFC5D2@gmail.com> <20070603160437.kca2ukhw1s040c4s@webmail.gebaeude7.de> <7DE0D0AA-5CA9-4AE9-8CD7-8D9E5F2D856B@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.1) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70777 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2007 15:59:02 +0000 (UTC) Ok Problem solved. Thanks alot to all of you (especially Per) I will send my RC-50 back. My old RC-20 is staying on my pedal board though. For complex realtime looping mobius (and bidule) are way better in my opinion. Actually I didn't want to take a notebook to my gigs. But I think this setup is so great that I have to do it. Everything can be controlled by a MIDI Controller anyway. So I hope I don't have to look at the computer. (we will see) Greetings Jens > FYI - I am not able to get most of my VSTs to sync to Mobius in Bidule using > the built-in sync method. Instead, I setup Mobius to send it's clock out to > a virtual MIDI device (Maple MIDI), and then extract that clock to a Bidule > sync pulse using the "Clock to Sync" module. Then, any VST I want to sync > to Mobius is actually sync'd to the "Clock to Sync" module. > > Works like a charm. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 3 16:47:26 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 268F93BF2F; Sun, 3 Jun 2007 16:47:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <003801c7a5fe$db4c10a0$6401a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <29253.57092.qm@web33603.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Live Loopers on youtube Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2007 10:47:21 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70778 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2007 16:47:26 +0000 (UTC) But what's with the 10 min time limitation? Ridiculous. Kris ----- Original Message ----- >O yeah, how about starting with my buddies Andy Mckee, Billy Mclaughlin, >Don Alder, don't forget > Tommy Emmanuel and his and mine Alesis midiverb 3. Phil Keaggy and > Salvation Army Band is > jawdropping! Have you seen glasswingfarm studios work up off the ocean > coast Island Canadian > Vancouver yet? He has been emailing me recently a very interesting cat > and kindly respectful > indeed as well. I am working on getting some more videos up of my live > boomerang phrase sampler > looping improvising. Have fun and continued loopy blessings, have fun :o) > Daniel T. Albertini on > myspace too still learning but join up if you wish on my friends pages! > --- Jens Wolters wrote: > >> Hi guys, >> >> >> >> I am wondering if anybody can recommend live looping videos on youtube? I >> am >> mainly interested in group playing. Other video sources than youtube are >> of >> course welcome. >> >> Also I would be very interested in recommended listening. >> >> >> >> Thanks and greetings Jens >> >> > > > > > ___________________________________________________________________________________ > You snooze, you lose. Get messages ASAP with AutoCheck > in the all-new Yahoo! Mail Beta. > http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/mailbeta/newmail_html.html > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 3 17:43:25 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 307C03BF2A; Sun, 3 Jun 2007 17:43:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: AW: Live Loopers on youtube Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2007 19:43:38 +0200 Organization: Moinlabs Message-ID: <000301c7a606$b7d8ecd0$1001a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Thread-Index: Acel/t4bs/DqvrTHQeiFeRGxpej1WgAB6kvg In-Reply-To: <003801c7a5fe$db4c10a0$6401a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> X-RZG-AUTH: lUESeo99iNzPL8kuBgLYdKEqUywq9cxqeRA+BtFcSCD5deQ7OIWZsjfFpg== X-RZG-CLASS-ID: mo07 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70779 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2007 17:43:25 +0000 (UTC) Use google video. http://video.google.de/videosearch?q=3Dmoinlabs > -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- > Von: Krispen Hartung [mailto:khartung@cableone.net]=20 > Gesendet: Sonntag, 3. Juni 2007 18:47 > An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Betreff: Re: Live Loopers on youtube >=20 > But what's with the 10 min time limitation? Ridiculous. >=20 > Kris From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 3 20:08:28 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3BD523BF1F; Sun, 3 Jun 2007 20:08:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at cavesofice.org Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2007 16:08:32 -0400 (EDT) From: burnett@pobox.com X-X-Sender: badger@giggles.cavesofice.org To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: rain samples to share Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70780 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2007 20:08:27 +0000 (UTC) We had a nice heavy rainstorm this morning. I recorded three 2-3minute chunks using a BLUE Snowball USB mic with the lo-gain firmware, WireTap Pro, and a MacBook Pro. Files are available as both AIFF and MP3 on this page: http://www.subscapeannex.com/rain.html I moved the mic different distances from the floor, from resting to just a little off, to higher, so the deck-level impacts differ. No processing, just fieldwork. Anyone is welcome to use these as you like. (I'd like to know if you do, though.) On a more technical note, does anyone have suggestions for weatherproof (-resistant) mics that I might use for recordings such as this, or how to construct an enclosure that I might be able to use for recording such as this? This wouldn't have worked if I'd had any wind, for example, but with the rain falling down and not sideways I felt safe using a piece of two of paper towel for a few minutes to catch splattering raindroplets. Yes, the mic is fine. best, Steve B Subscape Annex http://www.subcapeannex.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 3 20:28:53 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 259403BF27; Sun, 3 Jun 2007 20:28:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619.2) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <998679b6f918449125a40222dac14017@charter.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Ted Killian Subject: Re: rain samples to share Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2007 13:24:33 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) X-Chzlrs: 0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70781 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2007 20:28:53 +0000 (UTC) Hi there, Very nice recording there. I felt I was there. I just wasted a bit of money buying some CD's of some environmental sounds like that. Yeah, yeah, I know I could've recorded my own but it hasn't rained here lately. Thanks for sharing. Got any more? Best, Ted Killian On Jun 03, 2007, at 13:08, burnett@pobox.com wrote: > We had a nice heavy rainstorm this morning. I recorded three 2-3minute > chunks using a BLUE Snowball USB mic with the lo-gain firmware, > WireTap Pro, and a MacBook Pro. Files are available as both AIFF and > MP3 on this page: > > http://www.subscapeannex.com/rain.html > > I moved the mic different distances from the floor, from resting to > just a little off, to higher, so the deck-level impacts differ. > > No processing, just fieldwork. Anyone is welcome to use these as you > like. (I'd like to know if you do, though.) > > On a more technical note, does anyone have suggestions for > weatherproof (-resistant) mics that I might use for recordings such as > this, or how to construct an enclosure that I might be able to use for > recording such as this? This wouldn't have worked if I'd had any wind, > for example, but with the rain falling down and not sideways I felt > safe using a piece of two of paper towel for a few minutes to catch > splattering raindroplets. Yes, the mic is fine. > > best, > Steve B Subscape Annex http://www.subcapeannex.com/ > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 3 20:51:33 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6974E3BF32; Sun, 3 Jun 2007 20:51:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at cavesofice.org Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2007 16:51:37 -0400 (EDT) From: burnett@pobox.com X-X-Sender: badger@giggles.cavesofice.org To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Re: rain samples to share In-Reply-To: <998679b6f918449125a40222dac14017@charter.net> Message-ID: References: <998679b6f918449125a40222dac14017@charter.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <_fzr1C.A.jfG.UnyYGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70782 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2007 20:51:33 +0000 (UTC) On Sun, 3 Jun 2007, Ted Killian wrote: > Hi there, > Very nice recording there. > I felt I was there. > I just wasted a bit of money buying some CD's of some environmental sounds > like that. > Yeah, yeah, I know I could've recorded my own but it hasn't rained here > lately. > Thanks for sharing. Thank you, I'm happy to share the experience. It was a great rain, I just felt like hitting "Record". > Got any more? > Best, > Ted Killian Sure, here's some collected recordings I've made with the Snowball of ambient weather in three cases, and of a running refrigerator compressor motor (by request of someone either on this list or the ct-collective list, I can't remember at the moment). B.L.U.E. Snowball, high-gain firmware, Mac Powerbook, using Ambrosia Software's WireTap Pro, 44.1, mono, 16-bit. http://www.subscapeanne.com/other/snowfall_at_imbolc.mp3 (turn up loud, it's subtle - it's snow falling. The mic is sensitive, but not *that* sensitive*.) http://www.subscapeanne.com/other/bog_night_wind_1.mp3 http://www.subscapeanne.com/other/ambient_postrain.mp3 http://www.subscapeanne.com/other/fridgemp3.mp3 http://www.subscapeannex.com/other/newyearsdawn.mp3 (10min, mp3) http://www.subscapeannex.com/other/newyearsdawn.aiff (same as above in original AIFF) http://www.subscapeannex.com/other/newyearsdawn2.mp3 (22min, mp3) Made the first new year's piece while it was still too dark to read outside, second one about five minutes after the end of the first. There's a hawk hanging around, some dripping from the rain last night, etc. Finally, I left the mic recording when I didn't realize it once, and recorded several minutes of myself sitting in a creaky chair and reading a book. Luckily for my embarrassment factor, I do not seem to talk to myself much. best, Steve B Subscape Annex http://www.subscapeannex.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 3 21:19:49 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 111643BF2C; Sun, 3 Jun 2007 21:19:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=R57bj7HrbB3ndm2OIKVhITG2gUK/1n57sKJCWTbr6olPWjs/N1YdfLk4pkPv7uF2VTKM+DR8Hz2zxwgWNMRaT+Vl8tAomByWLS9jmGtT2IOMfGqiS+1fVpqbirmP0P0GpH5KZr6YsGsHNsosuI1PHbujw6vxet9+enyVPL3Yz/k= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=rTTN5bIAvdsCeD3gvWQXkf7cBr3epsqjWcrLe6OhB7T6D9rKa0L2YLczBtT52qVgEbyvae5hIQDXcBVSJvKNwK7n4IuHoGegJX0zJgoeP7Z+wvdz+ZNbXOPrHLO7AChRth7JTqkEQZhnkT+mwr4GO94tkYBKZerJL2qSKnZRAuk= Message-ID: Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2007 16:19:47 -0500 From: "Jon Southwood" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: do we need a forum In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_14558_852084.1180905587315" References: <006a01c7a515$d4871fb0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70783 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2007 21:19:49 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_14558_852084.1180905587315 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Make that another vote for Gmail. I use Gmail for all the lists that I (mostly) lurk on. The filters tag messages for me and in some cases automatically mark as read and archive for me (for the one list that I subscribe to purely for a reference archive, not necessarily for the conversation). The search functionality is great. Also, for those who don't want to switch to Gmail but still want the search abilities: try using Google to search the LD archives. Some people aren't aware that you can refine a Google search to a specific website by adding "site:" followed by the site name. For example, if you wanted to search the LD archives for discussions about switching to a forum, you could go to Google, and type "forum site:loopers-delight.com" into the search field. You get 151 links, almost instantaneously. Of course, if you refine it with the "intitle:" function, you can narrow it down even further. ("forum intitle: forum site:loopers-delight.com" gets us down to 40 messages.) Personally, I prefer the info coming to me. I'm a member of a few forums, but hardly ever remember to go check them out. And when I do, I generally get frustrated by the segregation of the messages into different categories. I prefer having all the messages in one place and ignoring the few that I might not care about than having to drill down into multiple subject sections just to find out if there's a new message or thread. Cheers, Jon Southwood On 6/2/07, Doug Wellington wrote: > > > For what it's worth - I've found that Gmail is indispensable for groups > like > > LD. > > Being a member of "Dougs for Gmail" I have to agree! ;-) > > ------=_Part_14558_852084.1180905587315 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Make that another vote for Gmail. I use Gmail for all the lists that I (mostly) lurk on. The filters tag messages for me and in some cases automatically mark as read and archive for me (for the one list that I subscribe to purely for a reference archive, not necessarily for the conversation). The search functionality is great.

Also, for those who don't want to switch to Gmail but still want the search abilities: try using Google to search the LD archives. Some people aren't aware that you can refine a Google search to a specific website by adding "site:" followed by the site name. For example, if you wanted to search the LD archives for discussions about switching to a forum, you could go to Google, and type "forum site: loopers-delight.com" into the search field. You get 151 links, almost instantaneously. Of course, if you refine it with the "intitle:" function, you can narrow it down even further. ("forum intitle: forum site: loopers-delight.com" gets us down to 40 messages.)

Personally, I prefer the info coming to me. I'm a member of a few forums, but hardly ever remember to go check them out. And when I do, I generally get frustrated by the segregation of the messages into different categories. I prefer having all the messages in one place and ignoring the few that I might not care about than having to drill down into multiple subject sections just to find out if there's a new message or thread.

Cheers,
Jon Southwood

On 6/2/07, Doug Wellington <dougwellington@gmail.com> wrote:
> For what it's worth - I've found that Gmail is indispensable for groups like
> LD.

Being a member of "Dougs for Gmail" I have to agree!  ;-)

------=_Part_14558_852084.1180905587315-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 3 21:26:34 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7DB453BF26; Sun, 3 Jun 2007 21:26:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=dZC6j8RbMoOY4op5/OuBp9dDS2TMtOb2D1KVY10gCJsFQ0g5yo7Qd4bmlV4SBNNt; h=Received:Date:Subject:Content-Type:Mime-Version:From:To:Content-Transfer-Encoding:In-Reply-To:Message-Id:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2007 14:36:03 -0700 Subject: Re: rain samples to share Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v553) From: Sheila Olson To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <998679b6f918449125a40222dac14017@charter.net> Message-Id: <6D9959E5-121A-11DC-B3EC-000393CA38DE@earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.553) X-ELNK-Trace: 573b2ac3a2420bc9f258f48946e2642d9ef193a6bfc3dd48793733a93f7bc8fceebf3a59ae62fe31df4dea5d24d49372350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 69.3.119.41 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70784 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2007 21:26:34 +0000 (UTC) Hey Ted and fellow loopers I do not use the computer (Hope to change this in the near future) to create music, but I found this site that has a lot of free samples. http://freesound.iua.upf.edu/index.php joe On Sunday, June 3, 2007, at 01:24 PM, Ted Killian wrote: > > I just wasted a bit of money buying some CD's of some environmental > sounds like that. > > Yeah, yeah, I know I could've recorded my own but it hasn't rained > here lately. > > Thanks for sharing. > > Got any more? > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 3 21:34:58 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A70763BF1B; Sun, 3 Jun 2007 21:34:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <20070603233501.bzbhrll1c0ow4o0o@webmail.gebaeude7.de> Date: Sun, 03 Jun 2007 23:35:01 +0200 From: jenswolters@gebaeude7.de To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: VST plugin Filter advice References: <20070603003152.D0C503BEF6@arsenic.violacea.com> <20070603175334.7ebmgeq1q84w0os4@webmail.gebaeude7.de> In-Reply-To: <20070603175334.7ebmgeq1q84w0os4@webmail.gebaeude7.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.1) Resent-Message-ID: <7zk7aB.A.mZD.BQzYGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70785 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2007 21:34:58 +0000 (UTC) Hey, some of you guys might know the Line6 Filter Modeler. It has some sort of guitar synths build in. The pitch of the guitar is tracked (just mono) and an analog sounding synth tone is added. Kinda like the old Pat Metheny and Robert Fripp sounds. Does anybody know of VST plugin that could function as an analog sounding guitar synth ? Thanks alot... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 3 23:03:24 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 561613BF21; Sun, 3 Jun 2007 23:03:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com In-Reply-To: <6D9959E5-121A-11DC-B3EC-000393CA38DE@earthlink.net> References: <6D9959E5-121A-11DC-B3EC-000393CA38DE@earthlink.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <884D6685-C97A-44EA-82E7-8D7DCB8888F7@gmail.com> Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Nathan van Heynsbergen Subject: Re: rain samples to share Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2007 01:03:20 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Jun 2007 23:03:21.0553 (UTC) FILETIME=[61ABA410:01C7A633] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70786 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2007 23:03:24 +0000 (UTC) about freesound i love that site! you can just open a page and switch on all samples looping themselves. it's great! when your bored: go there, choose a user and play all of his samples simultaniously in a loop. nathan Op 3-jun-2007, om 23:36 heeft Sheila Olson het volgende geschreven: > Hey Ted and fellow loopers > > I do not use the computer (Hope to change this in the near future) > to create music, but I found this site that has a lot of free samples. > > http://freesound.iua.upf.edu/index.php > > > joe > > > On Sunday, June 3, 2007, at 01:24 PM, Ted Killian wrote: >> >> I just wasted a bit of money buying some CD's of some >> environmental sounds like that. >> >> Yeah, yeah, I know I could've recorded my own but it hasn't rained >> here lately. >> >> Thanks for sharing. >> >> Got any more? >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 4 00:42:24 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 292043BF20; Mon, 4 Jun 2007 00:42:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Sun, 03 Jun 2007 17:43:45 -0700 From: JP Mercury Subject: Re: AW: Group of people looping. Is there such thing ? In-reply-to: <20070602180722.E8D353BF76@arsenic.violacea.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Cc: richard@glasswing.com Message-id: <46636041.9070407@vcn.bc.ca> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en References: <20070602180722.E8D353BF76@arsenic.violacea.com> User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20060607 Debian/1.7.12-1.2 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70787 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2007 00:42:24 +0000 (UTC) Richard, I read you're from Vancouver Island. Great! I haven't met any local people on this list. I recently moved to the Cowichan Valley, and wanted to say hi-- I'm a fellow looper and also, an inventor (have a look at the link below). -- .. Folks, http://freewheeling.sourceforge.net/ I'd like to chime up and say that Freewheeling is capable of looping with multiple musicians. You can map several MIDI interfaces to different loop slots. You can have several audio inputs and several people can be grabbing loops at once (although there is no support as of yet for several sets of levels for different users). One advantage to going this way is that, instead of loading several plugins, you have everything together and already syncronized in one app. You may want to check it out-- it's Mac and Linux only, and configuring it takes some skill, but for your effort, you get great customizability. Plus, it's open-source, and it can be made into a hardware box. There's a project out there to make a small Freewheeling box on an embedded Linux box (see www.linutop.com). Collaborators are welcome! Cheers, -JP Mercury (author of Freewheeling) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 4 01:19:15 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2282F3BF39; Mon, 4 Jun 2007 01:19:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [206.223.204.211] X-Originating-Email: [aaronleese@hotmail.com] X-Sender: aaronleese@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <4662A13B.9030500@f2s.com> From: "aaron leese" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: AW: Group of people looping. Is there such thing ? Date: Sun, 03 Jun 2007 21:19:08 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Jun 2007 01:19:13.0129 (UTC) FILETIME=[5C636D90:01C7A646] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70788 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2007 01:19:15 +0000 (UTC) >> >We >use a Software looper >(with maxMSP and LIVE maybe) and every musician gets his own Midi Pedal >(or >pad) connected to one Computer. > Yeah ... this is what I do. Everything is synced by the machine clock on the computer. I have gotten as many as five midi controllers hooked up at once. Since they are each on a different midi channel .... the computer knows who is sending the command and can record/loop only that instrument. Since the first person to record is considered the "master" .... all recorded clips afterward are synced to that. Always nice to see other people have similiar ideas. Aaron _________________________________________________________________ Make every IM count. Download Messenger and join the i’m Initiative now. It’s free. http://im.live.com/messenger/im/home/?source=TAGHM_June07 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 4 01:25:46 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2CDF33BF38; Mon, 4 Jun 2007 01:25:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=3XpyeZvEaQw/wgu+x8gczrEziWGbyJAsh4ZppyXpC0qTijXGlyS3mVf3vTH49uEenONQsIrh6DJe64sfBAJKvFgey1KvWCVPc9/tuqaFE/VGZoqNDIB+5lJNFQo3aDY+WO59sIhteb4RQs09GmVpIQvPIGRX2pExvpLzJ1iFdNk=; X-YMail-OSG: YSq_FxYVM1lFPWj_8D5oMeBUxDoXn3kgwRZob2STf3dzQCe6pcxymULgb_FDBHDJfw-- Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2007 18:25:42 -0700 (PDT) From: bill bigrig Subject: Re: rain samples to share To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <619791.75817.qm@web32704.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: <_Ww1kB.A.f2G.Yo2YGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70789 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2007 01:25:46 +0000 (UTC) Howdy, I used to catch BEAUTIFUL rainstorm sounds by lcing my mic on an open windowsill out into the alley. Stereo? Open a window somewhere else and use 2 mics. I still have the cassettes, and still use them. rig --- burnett@pobox.com wrote: > We had a nice heavy rainstorm this morning. I > recorded three 2-3minute > chunks using a BLUE Snowball USB mic with the > lo-gain firmware, WireTap > Pro, and a MacBook Pro. Files are available as both > AIFF and MP3 on this > page: > > http://www.subscapeannex.com/rain.html > > I moved the mic different distances from the floor, > from resting to just a > little off, to higher, so the deck-level impacts > differ. > > No processing, just fieldwork. Anyone is welcome to > use these as you like. > (I'd like to know if you do, though.) > > On a more technical note, does anyone have > suggestions for weatherproof > (-resistant) mics that I might use for recordings > such as this, or how to > construct an enclosure that I might be able to use > for recording such as > this? This wouldn't have worked if I'd had any wind, > for example, but with > the rain falling down and not sideways I felt safe > using a piece of two of > paper towel for a few minutes to catch splattering > raindroplets. Yes, the > mic is fine. > > best, > Steve B Subscape Annex http://www.subcapeannex.com/ > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Looking for a deal? Find great prices on flights and hotels with Yahoo! FareChase. http://farechase.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 4 05:29:58 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9E4A03BF10; Mon, 4 Jun 2007 05:29:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <016d01c7a669$5f316cc0$6401a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <000301c7a606$b7d8ecd0$1001a8c0@succubus> Subject: Re: Live Loopers on youtube Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2007 23:29:48 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Resent-Message-ID: <4Idq4D.A.upG.VN6YGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70790 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2007 05:29:58 +0000 (UTC) Good idea. I already have an account there with some prior videos, so I uploaded these as well. I just created a page for all my live looping videos, including links to download and play (from Google): http://www.krispenhartung.com/looping-videos.htm Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2007 11:43 AM Subject: AW: Live Loopers on youtube Use google video. http://video.google.de/videosearch?q=moinlabs > -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- > Von: Krispen Hartung [mailto:khartung@cableone.net] > Gesendet: Sonntag, 3. Juni 2007 18:47 > An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Betreff: Re: Live Loopers on youtube > > But what's with the 10 min time limitation? Ridiculous. > > Kris From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 4 06:30:36 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6C3183BF1F; Mon, 4 Jun 2007 06:30:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <014101c7a671$d9fe37a0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "RICK WALKER" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: Using G-mail: was 'Do we need a forum' Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2007 23:30:32 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Spam-Flag: YES X-Spam-Status: Yes, score=1.3 required=1.0 tests=AWL,FH_HOST_EQ_D_D_D_D, RDNS_DYNAMIC,STOX_REPLY_TYPE,TVD_RCVD_SINGLE autolearn=disabled version=3.2.0 X-Spam-Report: * 0.0 STOX_REPLY_TYPE STOX_REPLY_TYPE * 2.0 FH_HOST_EQ_D_D_D_D Host starts with d-d-d-d * 0.3 TVD_RCVD_SINGLE TVD_RCVD_SINGLE * 0.1 RDNS_DYNAMIC Delivered to trusted network by host with * dynamic-looking rDNS * -1.1 AWL AWL: From: address is in the auto white-list X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.0 (2007-05-01) on mail.cruzio.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70791 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2007 06:30:36 +0000 (UTC) It was my understanding when it started up that G-mail mines personal data from accounts and sells it to interested parties. That makes me exceptionally nervous. Anyone know what the truth of this matter is? yours, Rick Walker From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 4 06:44:05 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 83B5F3BF26; Mon, 4 Jun 2007 06:44:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=jgkTTeo8puAIUSGrPcMKXOh9Ugwcou3WdANVobeb24J+KCgI1alxt9EEvrRyz+HUT6meTW9NJaYEml7aK1R5oRM09t1g1vpKHaR3s6kDXluY5BBXFPjt1olKcKN0d4KwnH8ZHKhlxwbvIyAQNXwhX6jl3tq9DQaqsHgISGlR/5A=; X-YMail-OSG: Tw0PhMQVM1l4DhwX99dafhCbsxxT2DZRnifRD5UCzwF7MY8kTpz7EOThO6WeExK1holBm0d7LCqygDEdIhzn5Z3emiEy5UWJdW0JJAmWzqiaIJ9KfHE- Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2007 23:44:02 -0700 (PDT) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: RE: POST YOUR SETUP To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <007401c7a5d8$66f994a0$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <295365.4722.qm@web38610.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70792 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2007 06:44:05 +0000 (UTC) Nice Michael! thank you kindly Luis --- Michael Peters wrote: > > I got a fernandes as well,is the midi pickup on > the > > fernandes built in or one of those external ones? > > it is an external GK-2A. > > > got any picutres of it? > > I made one for you: > http://www.veloopity.de/Musick/myfernandes.jpg > > > Michael www.michaelpeters.de > > > > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom ____________________________________________________________________________________ Sick sense of humor? Visit Yahoo! TV's Comedy with an Edge to see what's on, when. http://tv.yahoo.com/collections/222 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 4 07:24:45 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 651583BF27; Mon, 4 Jun 2007 07:24:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Jens Wolters" To: Subject: AW: AW: Group of people looping. Is there such thing ? Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2007 09:24:55 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 In-Reply-To: <46636041.9070407@vcn.bc.ca> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Thread-Index: AcemQTg9lFukOScsReCv+Wbvla6tCwAOC5og Message-Id: <20070604072444.5E4093BF18@arsenic.violacea.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70793 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2007 07:24:45 +0000 (UTC) Hello, this looks promising... Greetings Jens -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- Von: JP Mercury [mailto:swirlee@vcn.bc.ca]=20 Gesendet: Montag, 4. Juni 2007 02:44 An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Cc: richard@glasswing.com Betreff: Re: AW: Group of people looping. Is there such thing ? Richard, I read you're from Vancouver Island. Great! I haven't met any local=20 people on this list. I recently moved to the Cowichan Valley, and wanted = to say hi-- I'm a fellow looper and also, an inventor (have a look at=20 the link below). -- .. Folks, http://freewheeling.sourceforge.net/ I'd like to chime up and say that Freewheeling is capable of looping=20 with multiple musicians. You can map several MIDI interfaces to=20 different loop slots. You can have several audio inputs and several=20 people can be grabbing loops at once (although there is no support as of = yet for several sets of levels for different users). One advantage to=20 going this way is that, instead of loading several plugins, you have=20 everything together and already syncronized in one app. You may want to check it out-- it's Mac and Linux only, and configuring=20 it takes some skill, but for your effort, you get great customizability. Plus, it's open-source,=20 and it can be made into a hardware box. There's a project out there to=20 make a small Freewheeling box on an embedded Linux box (see=20 www.linutop.com). Collaborators are welcome! Cheers, -JP Mercury (author of Freewheeling) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 4 07:25:34 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 785053BF3E; Mon, 4 Jun 2007 07:25:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Jens Wolters" To: Subject: AW: AW: Group of people looping. Is there such thing ? Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2007 09:25:45 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Thread-Index: AcemRl4Zbmpk/roDS4mgilPh9NipIgAMyQCw Message-Id: <20070604072533.D69C73BF29@arsenic.violacea.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70794 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2007 07:25:34 +0000 (UTC) Hello Aaron, Which Software do you use? Greetings Jens -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- Von: aaron leese [mailto:aaronleese@hotmail.com]=20 Gesendet: Montag, 4. Juni 2007 03:19 An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Betreff: Re: AW: Group of people looping. Is there such thing ? >> >We >use a Software looper >(with maxMSP and LIVE maybe) and every musician gets his own Midi Pedal >(or >pad) connected to one Computer. > Yeah ... this is what I do. Everything is synced by the machine clock = on=20 the computer. I have gotten as many as five midi controllers hooked up = at=20 once. Since they are each on a different midi channel .... the computer = knows who is sending the command and can record/loop only that = instrument. =20 Since the first person to record is considered the "master" .... all=20 recorded clips afterward are synced to that. Always nice to see other people have similiar ideas. Aaron _________________________________________________________________ Make every IM count. Download Messenger and join the i=92m Initiative = now.=20 It=92s free. http://im.live.com/messenger/im/home/?source=3DTAGHM_June07 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 4 16:02:08 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 377D13BF2F; Mon, 4 Jun 2007 16:02:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [206.223.204.211] X-Originating-Email: [aaronleese@hotmail.com] X-Sender: aaronleese@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <20070604072533.D69C73BF29@arsenic.violacea.com> From: "aaron leese" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: AW: AW: Group of people looping. Is there such thing ? Date: Mon, 04 Jun 2007 12:02:03 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Jun 2007 16:02:06.0571 (UTC) FILETIME=[B30533B0:01C7A6C1] Resent-Message-ID: <7nhpZB.A.Ca._dDZGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70795 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2007 16:02:08 +0000 (UTC) I have my own software which I have been working on for about a year now. check it out at www.flyloops.com. The videos are a bit old, but they give a pretty good idea of what it does. No group vids though. >From: "Jens Wolters" >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: >Subject: AW: AW: Group of people looping. Is there such thing ? >Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2007 09:25:45 +0200 > >Hello Aaron, > >Which Software do you use? > >Greetings Jens > > >-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- >Von: aaron leese [mailto:aaronleese@hotmail.com] >Gesendet: Montag, 4. Juni 2007 03:19 >An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Betreff: Re: AW: Group of people looping. Is there such thing ? > > > >> > >We > >use a Software looper > >(with maxMSP and LIVE maybe) and every musician gets his own Midi Pedal > >(or > >pad) connected to one Computer. > > > > >Yeah ... this is what I do. Everything is synced by the machine clock on >the computer. I have gotten as many as five midi controllers hooked up at >once. Since they are each on a different midi channel .... the computer >knows who is sending the command and can record/loop only that instrument. >Since the first person to record is considered the "master" .... all >recorded clips afterward are synced to that. > >Always nice to see other people have similiar ideas. >Aaron > >_________________________________________________________________ >Make every IM count. Download Messenger and join the i’m Initiative now. >It’s free. http://im.live.com/messenger/im/home/?source=TAGHM_June07 > > _________________________________________________________________ PC Magazine’s 2007 editors’ choice for best Web mail—award-winning Windows Live Hotmail. http://imagine-windowslive.com/hotmail/?locale=en-us&ocid=TXT_TAGHM_migration_HM_mini_pcmag_0507 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 4 16:53:03 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A965D3BF2B; Mon, 4 Jun 2007 16:53:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: References: <578634.50973.qm@web34809.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4661272C.8090103@f2s.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <3AAC0F26-1536-4A9C-B966-D4584CA98454@zerocrossing.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Mark Sottilaro Subject: Re: AW: do we need a forum ? Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2007 09:52:32 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70796 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2007 16:53:03 +0000 (UTC) Exactly. I almost feel like we'd just have to do a 100% migration over, ending LD as it is now. That may be a lot for us ol' timers. What I used to do was just keep a free email address JUST for LD... On Jun 2, 2007, at 5:04 AM, Mech wrote: > > > It's not the technology, IMNSHO. It's getting people to use it. I > think the forum is still open over there; you just need to go make > use of it. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 4 16:57:08 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BEF293BF18; Mon, 4 Jun 2007 16:57:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <46644472.9040305@biink.com> Date: Mon, 04 Jun 2007 12:57:22 -0400 From: David Beardsley Reply-To: db@biink.com Organization: Biink & SSI User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2 (Windows/20050317) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Using G-mail: was 'Do we need a forum' References: <014101c7a671$d9fe37a0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> In-Reply-To: <014101c7a671$d9fe37a0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70797 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2007 16:57:08 +0000 (UTC) RICK WALKER wrote: > It was my understanding when it started up that G-mail mines personal > data from accounts and sells it to interested parties. > > That makes me exceptionally nervous. > > Anyone know what the truth of this matter is? If someone is subscribed to Loopers Delight through GMail, the man is watching you NOW Rick. But just you. Not any of us... -- * David Beardsley * microtonal guitar * http://biink.com/db * http://biink.com/poole From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 4 17:02:38 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 576233BF34; Mon, 4 Jun 2007 17:02:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <547827.75218.qm@web34802.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <547827.75218.qm@web34802.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <91346BE0-9E35-4DF6-B557-66D801D0116B@zerocrossing.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Mark Sottilaro Subject: Re: do we need a forum - and what about the search function? Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2007 10:02:07 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70798 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2007 17:02:38 +0000 (UTC) On Jun 2, 2007, at 7:39 AM, John Tidwell wrote: > Or, as Kim said so eloquently another time... > > http://www.loopers-delight.com/LDarchive/200304/msg00835.html > Good point of Kim's. Once a bully was keeping me from going to my friend's house by blocking his sidewalk. Too young to be allowed in the street, I returned home and whined to my dad. He said, "Sometimes you just have to shut up and fight." I went back and kicked the bully's ass and went to play with my friend. So that's it really. If we really want something different we have to make it that way. I missed the forum thread where one was created. Really the only way it would work would be for us to just abandon this list and start using that forum, relieving Kim of this burden. The problem is that LD has become a standard and standards are hard to change and people tend to travel the path of least resistance. Note: later the bully's older brother beat the crap out of me. Sincerely yours, Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 4 17:05:02 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 345EA3BF40; Mon, 4 Jun 2007 17:05:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com In-Reply-To: <000401c7a4cb$910838e0$cdcf5548@hppav> References: <000401c7a4cb$910838e0$cdcf5548@hppav> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <9A1B17D5-1DF3-4904-9B3A-18EEABEF0CFF@zerocrossing.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Mark Sottilaro Subject: Re: the best.... the worst.... Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2007 10:04:21 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: <184olC.A.ZlG.9YEZGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70799 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2007 17:05:02 +0000 (UTC) > For me... > > The best thing about looping is: You can generate a ton of music all by yourself, click off your machines and it's gone. > > The worst thing about looping is: You can generate a ton of music all by yourself, click off your machines and it's gone. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 4 17:28:59 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6499F3BF47; Mon, 4 Jun 2007 17:28:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <4662851B.9000601@f2s.com> References: <20070603085417.A4CE83BF18@arsenic.violacea.com> <4662851B.9000601@f2s.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-7-807447550 Message-Id: <1E5FB115-F026-49BE-BF3E-35D9FE2815E2@zerocrossing.net> From: Mark Sottilaro Subject: Re: Group of people looping. Is there such thing ? Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2007 10:28:30 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70800 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2007 17:28:59 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-7-807447550 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; delsp=yes; format=flowed I've been in a number of groups like this and we always came down to =20 having to sync to a central midi clock and play to a beat or click. =20 No video of it though. Buy yourself a sequencer that spits out midi =20 clock and a midi splitter and experiment. That reminds me, I've got =20 a few of those bad boys I can sell on ebay now... On Jun 3, 2007, at 2:08 AM, Bill Trible wrote: > Sounds like you need one MIDI source as your click and a splitter =20 > to route that to all your loop devices? > > Jens Wolters wrote: >> Hi guys, >> >> >> >> My idea is having a group with drums, guitar, bass and sax with =20 >> different loops totally in sync. More of a techno pattern =20 >> approach. I am not really shure if this is possible at all. >> >> We tried some approaches but it was really hard and didn=92t quite =20= >> work out as I wanted it to. >> >> >> >> I have seen tons of videos from guitar players, bass player or =20 >> singers playing drones or looping themselves. I have not seen a =20 >> group of people looping in sync though. >> >> Any live footage would be very welcome. >> >> >> >> Greetings Jens >> >> >> >> >> >> Von: Krispen Hartung [mailto:khartung@cableone.net] >> Gesendet: Sonntag, 3. Juni 2007 07:22 >> An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >> Betreff: Two New Looping Videos (Y2K6 & BEMF 2) >> >> >> >> I have two new looping videos to share (one is not so new, but =20 >> wasn't available until recently). >> >> >> >> 1) Y2K6: Krispen Hartung (guitar and laptop) & Rick Walker =20 >> (percussion); excerpts of the last set on Saturday night; this is =20 >> the music and video behind the picture of the two of us in the =20 >> recent Guitar Player ariticle. Thanks to Barry Cleveland for =20 >> sending me the DVD! This is me on my PRS hollow body, my laptop =20 >> (with Mobius and various VSTs), and the Boss VF1 for amp =20 >> simulation and ring mod >> >> >> >> http://www.box.net/shared/p5klx0zvyc >> >> >> >> 2) 2nd Annual Boise Experimental Music Festival (April 27, 2007): =20 >> Krispen Hartung (mandolin and laptop) & Vincent Miresse =20 >> (percussion); most of the effects processing the mandolin on this =20 >> one are from Reaktor, and a few max/msp patches in VST format; I =20 >> hadn't converted to my pure max/msp system at the time of this =20 >> festival >> >> >> >> http://www.box.net/shared/46kkd4ej08 >> >> >> >> >> >> Cheers, >> >> >> >> Kris >> >> >> >> >> >> *********************************************************************=20= >> ***** >> Krispen Hartung >> www.krispenhartung.com / www.myspace.com/krispenhartung >> info@krispenhartung.com / 1.208.724.5603 >> Discography - http://www.krispenhartung.com/catalogue.htm >> CD Baby Discography: http://cdbaby.com/all/khartung > --Apple-Mail-7-807447550 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=WINDOWS-1252 I've been in a number of groups = like this and we always came down to having to sync to a central midi = clock and play to a beat or click.=A0 No video of it though.=A0 Buy = yourself a sequencer that spits out midi clock and a midi splitter and = experiment.=A0 That reminds me, I've got a few of those bad boys I can = sell on ebay now...

On Jun 3, = 2007, at 2:08 AM, Bill Trible wrote:

Sounds like you = need one MIDI source as your click and a splitter to route that to all = your loop devices?

Jens Wolters wrote:
Hi guys,
My idea is having a group with drums, guitar, bass and sax = with different loops totally in sync. More of a techno pattern approach. = I am not really shure if this is possible at all.
We tried some approaches but it was really hard and didn=92t = quite work out as I wanted it to.I have seen tons of videos from guitar players, bass player = or singers playing drones or looping themselves. I have not seen a group = of people looping in sync though.Any live footage = would be very welcome.
Greetings Jens
=A0
Krispen Hartung []
Gesendet Sonntag, = 3. Juni 2007 07:22
An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Two New Looping Videos (Y2K6 & BEMF = 2)
=A0
I have two new looping videos to share = (one is not so new, but wasn't available until = recently).
=A0
1) Y2K6: Krispen = Hartung (guitar=A0and laptop)=A0& Rick Walker = (percussion); excerpts of the last set on Saturday night; this is the = music and video behind the picture of the two of us in the recent Guitar = Player ariticle. Thanks to Barry Cleveland for sending me the DVD!=A0 = This is me on my PRS hollow body, my laptop (with Mobius and various = VSTs), and the Boss VF1 for amp simulation and ring = mod
=A0
http://www.box.net/shared/p5klx0zvyc
2) 2nd Annual Boise Experimental Music Festival (April 27, = 2007): Krispen Hartung (mandolin and laptop)=A0& Vincent Miresse = (percussion); most of the effects processing the mandolin=A0on this = one=A0are from Reaktor, and a few max/msp patches in VST format; I = hadn't converted to my pure max/msp system at the time of this = festival
=A0
http://www.box.net/shared/46kkd4ej08
=A0
=A0
=A0
=A0Krispen = Hartung
www.krispenhartung.com / www.myspace.com/krispenhartung
/ 1.208.724.5603
Discography - http://www.krispenhartung.com/catalogue.htm
CD Baby Discography: = http://cdbaby.com/all/khartung

= --Apple-Mail-7-807447550-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 4 17:31:27 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 14A4A3BF3A; Mon, 4 Jun 2007 17:31:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <4662A263.9951.5B3B68@nick.12testing.net> References: <4662A263.9951.5B3B68@nick.12testing.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Mark Sottilaro Subject: Re: the best.... the worst.... Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2007 10:30:58 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70801 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2007 17:31:27 +0000 (UTC) Thats' the good thing about dreams! Often they have jarring moments and then you're off to a different kind of dream... On Jun 3, 2007, at 3:13 AM, nick@12testing.net wrote: > The best is setting up a dreamy seamless loop > > the worst is ruining it by forgetting to start a "violined" note with > the volume off > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 4 17:41:00 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D0C6F3BF4B; Mon, 4 Jun 2007 17:41:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-SBRS: None X-SenderGroup: RELAYLIST X-MailFlowPolicy: $RELAYED X-MID: 532267312 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: the best.... the worst.... Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2007 18:40:56 +0100 Message-ID: <1BB076E4C332F9469148F41725F17A720382720F@MTVNE-EXCLUST02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: the best.... the worst.... Thread-Index: Acemz4F6OfeEEzPtRCGkoSez0aD9ng== References: <0d4001c7a56b$d7804560$6bb0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Goddard, Duncan" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Jun 2007 17:40:56.0502 (UTC) FILETIME=[8188DD60:01C7A6CF] Resent-Message-ID: <4cT5hB.A.y1B.s6EZGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70802 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2007 17:41:00 +0000 (UTC) >> > The best thing about looping is: Being able to repeat myself. > The worst thing about looping is: Having to hear myself over and over again.<< nice, kris. this gets my vote as the slogan for the rear of the next lot of t-shirts. but what's wrong with "abstract electronica" if it's done tastefully, & with some loud guitar/bass/drums over it? :-) d. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 4 18:18:16 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 59C673BF48; Mon, 4 Jun 2007 18:18:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=mRVjQP+WFkoTiqP5ub/7Esh6DngSjzAR8bFSE7T10fAIkpNj7BpPBjjXApqe5fQbKuzWdNi4hihWkDtfWbZ3J2ARrQmlt/B1ODnBfAGdbj9V2pJcilQZ+GSDv03NhhuH6KdRaB63tOiziWYGUM3W9XspufQof34F26uF1R/4jeE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=Gru/+1nhOCYbXNriOaiB8l4NtaSEEgoth58tPhKMjicN1ARgL3ee1YnznhEmZasJlKwEsoEFsnvhJ6AY7kMQlM+ktbs+QDghMKv3I34raHaXoBfWEwxzB23c6AfV8/ZoMkZ3wwrNbI5QswHOe7j0oXummOr10ASZlbppm7iIFO8= Message-ID: Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2007 11:18:13 -0700 From: "Michael Billow" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: AW: do we need a forum ? In-Reply-To: <3AAC0F26-1536-4A9C-B966-D4584CA98454@zerocrossing.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_5917_1028141.1180981093591" References: <578634.50973.qm@web34809.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4661272C.8090103@f2s.com> <3AAC0F26-1536-4A9C-B966-D4584CA98454@zerocrossing.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70803 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2007 18:18:16 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_5917_1028141.1180981093591 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Which is why I suggested just put a Header in all the emails. A very simple idea _ Loopers Delight in the heading of all emails sent out. It would be VERY helpful. On 6/4/07, Mark Sottilaro wrote: > > Exactly. I almost feel like we'd just have to do a 100% migration > over, ending LD as it is now. That may be a lot for us ol' timers. > What I used to do was just keep a free email address JUST for LD... > > > > On Jun 2, 2007, at 5:04 AM, Mech wrote: > > > > > > > It's not the technology, IMNSHO. It's getting people to use it. I > > think the forum is still open over there; you just need to go make > > use of it. > > ------=_Part_5917_1028141.1180981093591 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Which is why I suggested just put a Header in all the emails. A very
simple idea _ Loopers Delight in the heading of all emails sent out.
It would be VERY helpful.

On 6/4/07, Mark Sottilaro <sine@zerocrossing.net> wrote:
Exactly.  I almost feel like we'd just have to do a 100% migration
over, ending LD as it is now.  That may be a lot for us ol' timers.
What I used to do was just keep a free email address JUST for LD...

On Jun 2, 2007, at 5:04 AM, Mech wrote:

>
>
> It's not the technology, IMNSHO.  It's getting people to use it.  I
> think the forum is still open over there; you just need to go make
> use of it.

------=_Part_5917_1028141.1180981093591-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 4 18:22:24 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 39AE13BF52; Mon, 4 Jun 2007 18:22:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=itsWLKWA5g27722qK/upWCtTB29eMi9S01sF94k/xWrSae/Tjz1wIepO90oHveAfQG/GgmYNYv7yJMRTbXg2WOCE83jLqB4p4hmMrm7/QSSMa6Sz+HIniHYvo9nDRGODzoTdMznB2mcXd+lfocCrQTdPFkZHlcpMIlQkoJhCMlM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=jY7zMbMnyBjlffYm1yCekgJX966aVl0d1HbH07Z/HMd8WQve8aimZhROGctHb/Yn1aT5JhscTrghS82+dDv2mWolqdFYNcuH8Z2NxeqwZq2Pth6j9HKjxzyBxblltViwt2/pp4nkQDCPS7dvT6E5uz0aKR22szBgS4xO1uRS4s0= Message-ID: Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2007 11:22:20 -0700 From: "Michael Billow" To: db@biink.com Subject: Re: Using G-mail: was 'Do we need a forum' Cc: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <46644472.9040305@biink.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_5969_7703638.1180981340575" References: <014101c7a671$d9fe37a0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> <46644472.9040305@biink.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70804 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2007 18:22:24 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_5969_7703638.1180981340575 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Dont know about that, but Gmails does "read" your email. Alongside of the column of email is a list of SPAM offers and "related" links, based on words in your email you recieve. On 6/4/07, David Beardsley wrote: > > RICK WALKER wrote: > > > It was my understanding when it started up that G-mail mines personal > > data from accounts and sells it to interested parties. > > > > That makes me exceptionally nervous. > > > > Anyone know what the truth of this matter is? > > If someone is subscribed to Loopers Delight through GMail, the man is > watching you NOW Rick. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But just you. Not any of us... > > -- > * David Beardsley > * microtonal guitar > * http://biink.com/db > * http://biink.com/poole > > > ------=_Part_5969_7703638.1180981340575 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Dont know about that, but Gmails does "read" your email. Alongside of the column of email is a list of SPAM offers and "related" links, based on words in your email you recieve.

On 6/4/07, David Beardsley <db@biink.com> wrote:
RICK WALKER wrote:

> It was my understanding when it started up that G-mail mines personal
> data from accounts and sells it to interested parties.
>
> That makes me exceptionally nervous.
>
> Anyone know what the truth of this matter is?

If someone is subscribed to Loopers Delight through GMail, the man is
watching you NOW Rick.

But just you. Not any of us...

--
* David Beardsley
* microtonal guitar
* http://biink.com/db
* http://biink.com/poole

------=_Part_5969_7703638.1180981340575-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 4 18:23:41 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 912EB3BF5F; Mon, 4 Jun 2007 18:23:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=FdmETxRHfe4ojoI9Svux9lH6afYwZcmfhIb8al/Iyk27yEbavITBxDSAOjlZ3kZ+a0nQMRI/o7gkf1KH+XIqN5Ew/v9yqfmMlo+sZRFK3obMJbJ1fV1vWl+fD4rs1B+xXYUPrTtjq1vUK55FKP6EjhUogNO8BgOxU7URTN6ez+I= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=QI9GT+AGvv8baRvoBBfGjNQdIpPGRv0bZx6Gb6VTHvekS6Gs3vAcqUzjFNfs3iyl9XEvjzDf2Fo6j1c0cqH6bIfJFCYB1RwgYnFkiG1mMfPJWbFunum7KY5WRIEQ2O16o8FTOWpkVRLBsdJez3D7QONjnxpwLtqKtk0V43Dpwi4= Message-ID: Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2007 11:23:39 -0700 From: "Travis Hartnett" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: AW: do we need a forum ? In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <578634.50973.qm@web34809.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4661272C.8090103@f2s.com> <3AAC0F26-1536-4A9C-B966-D4584CA98454@zerocrossing.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70805 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2007 18:23:41 +0000 (UTC) Why not just filter by the 'reply to' field, 'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'? On 6/4/07, Michael Billow wrote: > Which is why I suggested just put a Header in all the emails. A very > simple idea _ Loopers Delight in the heading of all emails sent out. > It would be VERY helpful. > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 4 18:27:11 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 22C0D3BF62; Mon, 4 Jun 2007 18:27:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=RaibHOThR1XaabKw4vyCOOHHO9gWPGo/wmykIiUlR/+AjMcUNQtq4VU9Q6dRGp+A1gJwxGfEjPqwdhi7K6Hyq4yXBxE3deiH+W+vxQQxaT+tKfgv/5e1njnDYYG/NOMid+golftCswK0rua9VRkRydis4H1jN96DnT+YMpGjWSg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=MbBe6/Q5jjgksLcHyNzWEbHmJrktX1sIb4YBfnjUpVn7XVJVrhIYK9hU+LSPKDRt+MuJwmUiwdK75/cSBColFpbOHJDB2e5tfUir2c/7fHt0JJfYTDKD8znBX4qg1Dtd5Q2GWMZADgvnCvRjIz1hweVA+1Tq/qg1m6GV8XAO9XA= Message-ID: <4cf76a0b0706041127y5ba2ff3k611a359c4c1bdad2@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2007 11:27:10 -0700 From: "miles ward" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: AW: do we need a forum ? In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <578634.50973.qm@web34809.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4661272C.8090103@f2s.com> <3AAC0F26-1536-4A9C-B966-D4584CA98454@zerocrossing.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70806 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2007 18:27:11 +0000 (UTC) I think a forum would be great, if only for searchability and historical reference. Well worth the setup time. -Miles On 6/4/07, Travis Hartnett wrote: > Why not just filter by the 'reply to' field, > 'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'? > > On 6/4/07, Michael Billow wrote: > > Which is why I suggested just put a Header in all the emails. A very > > simple idea _ Loopers Delight in the heading of all emails sent out. > > It would be VERY helpful. > > > > > > > > -- ---Miles Ward From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 4 18:30:28 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4FBB93BF6D; Mon, 4 Jun 2007 18:30:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: References: <014101c7a671$d9fe37a0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> <46644472.9040305@biink.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-8-811136003 Message-Id: <2EB19367-1870-4CE9-B7F3-49D79DE3937A@zerocrossing.net> From: Mark Sottilaro Subject: Re: Using G-mail: was 'Do we need a forum' Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2007 11:29:58 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70807 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2007 18:30:28 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-8-811136003 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Then G-mail will find out that I like music hardware/software, do something called "real time looping" and have an affinity towards futuristic watches. On Jun 4, 2007, at 11:22 AM, Michael Billow wrote: > Dont know about that, but Gmails does "read" your email. Alongside > of the column of email is a list of SPAM offers and "related" > links, based on words in your email you recieve. > > On 6/4/07, David Beardsley wrote: > RICK WALKER wrote: > > > It was my understanding when it started up that G-mail mines > personal > > data from accounts and sells it to interested parties. > > > > That makes me exceptionally nervous. > > > > Anyone know what the truth of this matter is? > > If someone is subscribed to Loopers Delight through GMail, the man is > watching you NOW Rick. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But just you. Not any of us... > > -- > * David Beardsley > * microtonal guitar > * http://biink.com/db > * http://biink.com/poole > > > --Apple-Mail-8-811136003 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Then G-mail will find out that I = like music hardware/software, do something called "real time looping" = and have an=A0affinity towards futuristic watches.

On = Jun 4, 2007, at 11:22 AM, Michael Billow wrote:

Dont know = about that, but Gmails does "read" your email. Alongside of the column = of email is a list of SPAM offers and "related" links, based on words in = your email you recieve.

On = 6/4/07, David Beardsley <db@biink.com> = wrote:
RICK WALKER wrote:

> It was my understanding when it = started up that G-mail mines personal
> data from accounts and = sells it to interested parties.
>
> That makes me = exceptionally nervous.
>
> Anyone know what the truth of = this matter is?

If someone is subscribed to Loopers Delight = through GMail, the man is
watching you NOW = Rick.

But = just you. Not any of us...

--
* David Beardsley
* = microtonal guitar
* http://biink.com/db
* http://biink.com/poole

= --Apple-Mail-8-811136003-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 4 18:31:34 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 01C373BF74; Mon, 4 Jun 2007 18:31:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=S/zmdA2AHnkWx5s24AaszWKibDnSl8kBFzRIYbknup51W/m+1Y2IFMLLik7IowS7SlyT6HLpC4FTx1NjoncURarnh3IrTm3gTQt9BH12qNeX0o+vB+gC3sLHUMm2y0+zNWgfD8Hz6ZHj0qTiJpCYYjEIFrpNgA5d6plAvioLMsY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=sb6f/tg6OERNK4rUsyHMN7MSg3QDuLAKj4kYPSmOmMCR8QPq0Jr+ESd3s33iug2qrxUBghwTJ6b+zUm1Dwec9/ihfSWz2S+zzD9xiy4qo9Do8cECHrfPqPELcZHzPf4ofGGvUT9B+Y9eJyJXZWtIMA/W8AXkEygKKTOaM2BpE8M= Message-ID: Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2007 11:31:31 -0700 From: "Travis Hartnett" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: AW: do we need a forum ? In-Reply-To: <4cf76a0b0706041127y5ba2ff3k611a359c4c1bdad2@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <578634.50973.qm@web34809.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4661272C.8090103@f2s.com> <3AAC0F26-1536-4A9C-B966-D4584CA98454@zerocrossing.net> <4cf76a0b0706041127y5ba2ff3k611a359c4c1bdad2@mail.gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70808 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2007 18:31:33 +0000 (UTC) Who's setup time are you referring to--yours, or Kim's? On 6/4/07, miles ward wrote: > I think a forum would be great, if only for searchability and > historical reference. > Well worth the setup time. > -Miles > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 4 18:35:07 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8EAF43BF63; Mon, 4 Jun 2007 18:35:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=SCiV8bwJVA9GJMnEI2EacrOR0ZEZw8FCSXQZhJskBFqp+EAxM5cpvD/QhGjU+VHdCFgXCKlmeDyO4pGUGL57fPVVAHLgJ2+yCVMX0+H7Rn2aEAvbv5S1BWbsqAUWAk0nggLTdKsSRoztXEqbmidoHCykQqW0jh9WS4WzSlxpJBc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=DOaU3Xde3EEZz1BE5+7ICyPyAoR6bX59ucMp4fS+uVC34qVBrI1wTSOnS1cLLf9BxyWoLBoVrTXZL5QA2gRUYy7PqHlMLg/JzP5Bbf5GhsentW97R/tTUtZ7mWxBhSI9KDd7Zi+ApKqZ2NC7rJszEwbxz8v+0aFB7RUfpME96Ts= Message-ID: <4cf76a0b0706041135p4ebc7bdfic87d0a8ef5b623c4@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2007 11:35:05 -0700 From: "miles ward" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: AW: do we need a forum ? In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <578634.50973.qm@web34809.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4661272C.8090103@f2s.com> <3AAC0F26-1536-4A9C-B966-D4584CA98454@zerocrossing.net> <4cf76a0b0706041127y5ba2ff3k611a359c4c1bdad2@mail.gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70809 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2007 18:35:07 +0000 (UTC) Kim's, in my humble estimation. On 6/4/07, Travis Hartnett wrote: > Who's setup time are you referring to--yours, or Kim's? > > On 6/4/07, miles ward wrote: > > I think a forum would be great, if only for searchability and > > historical reference. > > Well worth the setup time. > > -Miles > > > > -- ---Miles Ward From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 4 18:43:59 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 270663BF4D; Mon, 4 Jun 2007 18:43:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=t5WXEIqKiQosLZ/LS2Vcxz6RlKJpo93ctQPTc9gu0VCnleTGcZrVA//+dvn6EK8wrgaf68VNPj/nm1GxM9Tv7JLkFr56nzDz34dJOFM5OxiaraxJ2vnqPLMgi6RmeNNUruIKoT5kxe//o8YVpJbK2uK2hXFdCjGNStcD7SFaDk0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=JePJ8VuOpB3m2R6pGkvY+aGOhAl5WL/GgNpFLMTo/YbBRTprkBN4Bzj3XfDp5werhXOJc0cQNnmigYSFvADCmp3o33dzXonxfXv2EkqWe0qj0dtaLHXXTswtFkkFBNXm8h2Lzgizox3za6HfyVDS3eRAKCzIryftjXt6f94Mn9s= Message-ID: Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2007 14:43:56 -0400 From: "Tony K" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: AW: do we need a forum ? In-Reply-To: <4cf76a0b0706041135p4ebc7bdfic87d0a8ef5b623c4@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_5814_15765355.1180982636034" References: <4661272C.8090103@f2s.com> <3AAC0F26-1536-4A9C-B966-D4584CA98454@zerocrossing.net> <4cf76a0b0706041127y5ba2ff3k611a359c4c1bdad2@mail.gmail.com> <4cf76a0b0706041135p4ebc7bdfic87d0a8ef5b623c4@mail.gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: <15QT9C.A.pg.u1FZGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70810 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2007 18:43:58 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_5814_15765355.1180982636034 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Oh Look! An oily spot where the dead horse used to be... We aren't getting a forum. We are a mailing list. People have started forums, they languish unused. It is not worth the setup time because nobody uses the ones that are there already. Unfortunately, this subject is set to a 100% feedback loop. It just keeps coming around and around and around... I bet Kim has the word 'forum' in his killfile. :) Tony On 6/4/07, miles ward wrote: > > Kim's, in my humble estimation. > > On 6/4/07, Travis Hartnett wrote: > > Who's setup time are you referring to--yours, or Kim's? > > > > On 6/4/07, miles ward wrote: > > > I think a forum would be great, if only for searchability and > > > historical reference. > > > Well worth the setup time. > > > -Miles > > > > > > > > > > -- > ---Miles Ward > > -- -==-=-=- Tony ------=_Part_5814_15765355.1180982636034 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Oh Look! An oily spot where the dead horse used to be...

We aren't getting a forum. We are a mailing list. People have started forums, they languish unused. It is not worth the setup time because nobody uses the ones that are there already.

Unfortunately, this subject is set to a 100% feedback loop. It just keeps coming around and around and around...

I bet Kim has the word 'forum' in his killfile. :)

Tony

On 6/4/07, miles ward <miles932@gmail.com> wrote:
Kim's, in my humble estimation.

On 6/4/07, Travis Hartnett <travishartnett@gmail.com> wrote:
> Who's setup time are you referring to--yours, or Kim's?
>
> On 6/4/07, miles ward <miles932@gmail.com> wrote:
> > I think a forum would be great, if only for searchability and
> > historical reference.
> > Well worth the setup time.
> > -Miles
> >
>
>

--
---Miles Ward

--
-==-=-=-
Tony ------=_Part_5814_15765355.1180982636034-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 4 19:11:27 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B1F923BF2D; Mon, 4 Jun 2007 19:11:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <20070604211130.fdjjgjdhc0sos0kk@webmail.gebaeude7.de> Date: Mon, 04 Jun 2007 21:11:30 +0200 From: jenswolters@gebaeude7.de To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Mobius, Bidule Vista and RME problem ? References: <4661272C.8090103@f2s.com> <3AAC0F26-1536-4A9C-B966-D4584CA98454@zerocrossing.net> <4cf76a0b0706041127y5ba2ff3k611a359c4c1bdad2@mail.gmail.com> <4cf76a0b0706041135p4ebc7bdfic87d0a8ef5b623c4@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.1) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70811 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2007 19:11:27 +0000 (UTC) Hi guys, when using my RME hammerfall DSP ASIO drivers with for example Absynth everything is OK. But when using it with Mobius or bidule I just get a strange sound. I hear sound but it sounds "broken". When using MME drivers or direct sound inside bidule it works. So it seems just the ASIO drivers are affected. Actually RME is known for its very stable und always updated drivers. Does anybody have simlar problems ? I am working with WIN VISTA. Greetings Jens From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 4 19:17:25 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4A0313BF27; Mon, 4 Jun 2007 19:17:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4664654F.1060905@biink.com> Date: Mon, 04 Jun 2007 15:17:35 -0400 From: David Beardsley Reply-To: db@biink.com Organization: Biink & SSI User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2 (Windows/20050317) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Michael Billow Cc: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Using G-mail: was 'Do we need a forum' References: <014101c7a671$d9fe37a0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> <46644472.9040305@biink.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <1mEXoD.A.FdD.EVGZGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70812 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2007 19:17:25 +0000 (UTC) Michael Billow wrote: > Dont know about that, but Gmails does "read" your email. Alongside of > the column of email is a list of SPAM offers and "related" links, > based on words in your email you recieve. > They're watching you too. -- * David Beardsley * microtonal guitar * http://biink.com/db * http://biink.com/poole From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 4 19:21:32 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 13D723BF6A; Mon, 4 Jun 2007 19:21:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=couzuemOhyzh6szuvFRZZf7GliU+KmHj4NfImx2gipm4msiJBiF7T9TOnvp2NrKQ4owWnu0n9bS26nsYJReHtk5N73+lkI7gDrp6g72mvJEKb2A5HWFcGT34HoV/013oRy6NJ1H2Rc2zc2ZYHPr1gMW3IFpSxHI3DzO/1w5iSIw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=D3Lj8HHuy5RktvhsU2qNAeC+saSpV8PFlGzjN0M4AjE/HlCnJmA5cziPb7VsxvBn/3pXCJf63jn8QT6AJymuDPsZo+6vDwXMhHmlQVvbrUty0nS1l6hsyUu5vSt9cRaJ1gPIyyzVgyzKH1eXltSBM1UD4ZxZ6bAsccJjLZQuuug= Message-ID: Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2007 12:21:29 -0700 From: "Michael Billow" To: db@biink.com Subject: Re: Using G-mail: was 'Do we need a forum' Cc: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <4664654F.1060905@biink.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_6610_5176012.1180984889029" References: <014101c7a671$d9fe37a0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> <46644472.9040305@biink.com> <4664654F.1060905@biink.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70813 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2007 19:21:32 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_6610_5176012.1180984889029 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Are you being cute or being serious? If your being serious please explain what you mean by "They're watching you too." On 6/4/07, David Beardsley wrote: They're watching you too. Michael Billow wrote: > > Dont know about that, but Gmails does "read" your email. Alongside of > > the column of email is a list of SPAM offers and "related" links, > > based on words in your email you recieve. > > > > > ------=_Part_6610_5176012.1180984889029 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Are you being cute or being serious? If your being serious please
explain what you mean by "They're watching you too."

On 6/4/07, David Beardsley < db@biink.com> wrote:

They're watching you too.

Michael Billow wrote:
> Dont know about that, but Gmails does "read" your email. Alongside of
> the column of email is a list of SPAM offers and "related" links,
> based on words in your email you recieve.
>

------=_Part_6610_5176012.1180984889029-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 4 19:21:56 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C2E153BF7A; Mon, 4 Jun 2007 19:21:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=HSuu+HeKwMYwhUd1RufyQkP6XYIrRuavvDLj60l0bC51vIUE/JpdHu/aW+3KI2wDFCgJi98NJ4EzxEgCTtCsvqKuRNg+R+W0yRemJIPwKBs08ejTsDmQjJ+Lw13dtLoAGjouBiQop+f0jR/gY1nFAns0UV9MLd+3v+U6PNIzNTA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=P/rSNCgblqOPe/l1kxGtQrNeSkMXVWIJPERQ8AGdomSEF9pHmkLRA/Ry1khOGyPdXtX7iwo8cvFVlCVmtaTAzA7GZfOPMljcDIORVRaeYGr6Cf0++ereAclbbJ8pmvPY/7trVdBvOONo6WJ/YSutq5VDQbvaqI7Ra8T43rT8E8U= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <1BB076E4C332F9469148F41725F17A720382720F@MTVNE-EXCLUST02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> References: <0d4001c7a56b$d7804560$6bb0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <1BB076E4C332F9469148F41725F17A720382720F@MTVNE-EXCLUST02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <16C669BA-8F5E-4727-9CE9-B5C721D04F9A@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: The Artist's Right To Be Boring (was: Re: the best.... the worst....) Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2007 21:21:49 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70814 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2007 19:21:56 +0000 (UTC) On 4 jun 2007, at 19.40, Goddard, Duncan wrote: > but what's wrong with "abstract electronica" if it's done tastefully absolutely nothing ;-) I was just joking about the fact that there are so many times I have played experimental music where the experiment kind of not turned out very well, as in "not done tastefully", and on such occasions I have heard this "failure music" labeled "Abstract Electronica" by others. It's like people think that since they don't feel much for this music there must be some hidden abstract quality within it... they just just don't dare to realize that the music simply is bad ;-) I'd like to propose a big cheers for The Artist's Right To Be Boring!!! ;-)) (Yes, seriously. Nothing good comes out of playing it safely all the way and mistakes must be allowed to hit the good ones) per From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 4 19:23:20 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DB92C3BF84; Mon, 4 Jun 2007 19:23:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=GhR+4rGOe/Y5d2bPLswj3eMYmozR74+tYUn1LA/zEWGaPvzqdNYNzOsQ/8xSTDkN8dGJepSHMct+mOvKD6fz5u6GWS2LJ+Q2NQqTZUlIz/zdoB774HMAhjVBZ3lPLRnnnmmdPqnmvVu6dMCD/+DbHZD8FcKsV9nIsCFohv/DBlg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=Lh+dzX8WdlUsSPFBz/pu2/ydGpQw5KFx6y7Dd29gfBY0xzY+fclhdUSLPVFlQ2ctG8dL2TyAEl70/2XNEpq4lDnr8e2dra3NDxXQsNk/iBlYiXnFNttY2Ep/HYT/PrhoRkpMV4ACNZetfS8hf3BIouLmNsVpqvwfM5bB+EzZr98= Message-ID: Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2007 12:23:18 -0700 From: "Michael Billow" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: AW: do we need a forum ? In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_6638_8173703.1180984998976" References: <4661272C.8090103@f2s.com> <3AAC0F26-1536-4A9C-B966-D4584CA98454@zerocrossing.net> <4cf76a0b0706041127y5ba2ff3k611a359c4c1bdad2@mail.gmail.com> <4cf76a0b0706041135p4ebc7bdfic87d0a8ef5b623c4@mail.gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70815 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2007 19:23:20 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_6638_8173703.1180984998976 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Maybe so, but not "email subject heading", which I think would be very helpful and quite simple to implement. On 6/4/07, Tony K wrote: > > Oh Look! An oily spot where the dead horse used to be... > > We aren't getting a forum. We are a mailing list. People have started > forums, they languish unused. It is not worth the setup time because nobody > uses the ones that are there already. > > Unfortunately, this subject is set to a 100% feedback loop. It just keeps > coming around and around and around... > > I bet Kim has the word 'forum' in his killfile. :) > > Tony > > > > On 6/4/07, miles ward wrote: > > > > Kim's, in my humble estimation. > > > > On 6/4/07, Travis Hartnett wrote: > > > Who's setup time are you referring to--yours, or Kim's? > > > > > > On 6/4/07, miles ward wrote: > > > > I think a forum would be great, if only for searchability and > > > > historical reference. > > > > Well worth the setup time. > > > > -Miles > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > ---Miles Ward > > > > > > > -- > -==-=-=- > Tony ------=_Part_6638_8173703.1180984998976 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Maybe so, but not "email subject heading", which I think would be very helpful and quite simple to implement.

On 6/4/07, Tony K < bigtonyk@gmail.com> wrote:
Oh Look! An oily spot where the dead horse used to be...

We aren't getting a forum. We are a mailing list. People have started forums, they languish unused. It is not worth the setup time because nobody uses the ones that are there already.

Unfortunately, this subject is set to a 100% feedback loop. It just keeps coming around and around and around...

I bet Kim has the word 'forum' in his killfile. :)

Tony

On 6/4/07, miles ward <miles932@gmail.com> wrote:
Kim's, in my humble estimation.

On 6/4/07, Travis Hartnett <travishartnett@gmail.com> wrote:
> Who's setup time are you referring to--yours, or Kim's?
>
> On 6/4/07, miles ward <miles932@gmail.com> wrote:
> > I think a forum would be great, if only for searchability and
> > historical reference.
> > Well worth the setup time.
> > -Miles
> >
>
>

--
---Miles Ward

--
-==-=-=-
Tony

------=_Part_6638_8173703.1180984998976-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 4 19:26:49 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E3B603BF8B; Mon, 4 Jun 2007 19:26:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=NR7Y6MlgTRj1QGzbDiVbCH8OfdgR+s5urvzoUcqYIc+qiAP8iy5a5T3MA5t7r/MLrOi8lLmBnMv9w0qAWROdah4kheyhg2HRPoZC5Ygyjcu9eDAQfH+kXA7cBvUdOXvoVsyxLvfu8s9usdYctORqEiVm8jGAsSzOeokVLxA9OD8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=bRvASTWjvbn18iu8qL1sKC00ZtCi2JDw5sv+6z2U4R00iYkVfMNZFPaIdQJZgkfSF4TeejbHh5JhFFw1pMB0AMPXrXYpoBQpX9XzRaeOxp1ej+Jll3UHQLuOAA56Y/YB3vidMcIjWmJw0oQaMPczkBnUjVGRgMdz5mZQ4N4A6vM= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <20070604211130.fdjjgjdhc0sos0kk@webmail.gebaeude7.de> References: <4661272C.8090103@f2s.com> <3AAC0F26-1536-4A9C-B966-D4584CA98454@zerocrossing.net> <4cf76a0b0706041127y5ba2ff3k611a359c4c1bdad2@mail.gmail.com> <4cf76a0b0706041135p4ebc7bdfic87d0a8ef5b623c4@mail.gmail.com> <20070604211130.fdjjgjdhc0sos0kk@webmail.gebaeude7.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <3E76CAA8-94A9-4F99-8FDE-7D716982D48C@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Mobius, Bidule Vista and RME problem ? Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2007 21:26:44 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70816 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2007 19:26:49 +0000 (UTC) On 4 jun 2007, at 21.11, jenswolters@gebaeude7.de wrote: > When using MME drivers or direct sound inside bidule it works. So > it seems just the ASIO drivers are affected. Actually RME is known > for its very stable und always updated drivers. Does anybody have > simlar problems ? No. My RME Multiface is working well with the ASIO drivers. Did you check the settings in Bidule? "Edit / Preferences" > I am working with WIN VISTA. Windows XP here Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://www.myspace.com/looproom http://www.jamendo.com/en/artist/per.boysen/ http://www.jamendo.com/en/artist/lo.fi.lazer/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 4 19:29:11 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CA2023BF32; Mon, 4 Jun 2007 19:29:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Jens Wolters" To: Subject: AW: Mobius, Bidule Vista and RME problem ? Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2007 21:29:22 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 In-Reply-To: <3E76CAA8-94A9-4F99-8FDE-7D716982D48C@gmail.com> Thread-Index: Acem3lAXBBGITswNQeepTT2AjpImRAAACWkg X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Message-Id: <20070604192910.EB2663BF18@arsenic.violacea.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70817 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2007 19:29:11 +0000 (UTC) Hi Per, I tried everything. I have the same problem in mobius (standalone) but = NOT in absynth (standalone). Might be a vista problem.=20 Greetings Jens -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- Von: Per Boysen [mailto:perboysen@gmail.com]=20 Gesendet: Montag, 4. Juni 2007 21:27 An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Betreff: Re: Mobius, Bidule Vista and RME problem ? On 4 jun 2007, at 21.11, jenswolters@gebaeude7.de wrote: > When using MME drivers or direct sound inside bidule it works. So =20 > it seems just the ASIO drivers are affected. Actually RME is known =20 > for its very stable und always updated drivers. Does anybody have =20 > simlar problems ? No. My RME Multiface is working well with the ASIO drivers. Did you =20 check the settings in Bidule? "Edit / Preferences" > I am working with WIN VISTA. Windows XP here Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://www.myspace.com/looproom http://www.jamendo.com/en/artist/per.boysen/ http://www.jamendo.com/en/artist/lo.fi.lazer/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 4 19:49:40 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D67BC3BF76; Mon, 4 Jun 2007 19:49:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <2116412034.1180986575916.JavaMail.root@fepweb14> Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2007 12:49:35 -0700 From: =?utf-8?Q?tEd_=C2=AE_kiLLiAn?= To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: The Artist's Right To Be Boring (was: Re: the best.... the worst....) Cc: Per Boysen MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Sensitivity: Normal X-Originating-IP: from 66.169.241.110 by mail.charter.net; Mon, 4 Jun 2007 15:49:34 -0400 X-Chzlrs: 0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70818 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2007 19:49:40 +0000 (UTC) Per, True words there. In my experience, it is impossible to depend upon or predict success when y= ou start out with a blank slate for every performance. Not many of us are THAT brilliant. I'm certainly not. I fall flat on my face about as many times as I do well. That's what makes doing this improv thing that some of us do sooooo very ha= rd. The risk of being an abject failure is all too very real . . . and the cons= equences painful. Even when the audience and promoter(s) themselves are very forgiving it can= be devastating to not live up to ones own expectations. Many positivly disposed listeners may just figure that it's "abstract" or "= avant garde" or "new" and not realize that it also can be truly BAD as well= . I have to admit it, I am actually bad more times than I like to think about= . Artists need to be accorded a "right to be awful" from time to time . . . s= ome of us more than others. Cheers, tEd =C2=AE kiLLiAn "Different is not always better, but better is always different" Flux Aeterna: http://phobos.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewAlbum?p= layListId=3D6378076=20 Also check out the BEMF 1 CDs at: http://www.boisemusicians.com/experimenta= l/cd.htm http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073 http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314 http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193 http://www.loopers-delight.com/cgi-bin/profiles.cgi?step=3Dview_profile&id= =3D121197000042 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So??? ---- Per Boysen wrote:=20 > On 4 jun 2007, at 19.40, Goddard, Duncan wrote: >=20 > > but what's wrong with "abstract electronica" if it's done tastefully >=20 >=20 > absolutely nothing ;-) >=20 > I was just joking about the fact that there are so many times I have =20 > played experimental music where the experiment kind of not turned out =20 > very well, as in "not done tastefully", and on such occasions I have =20 > heard this "failure music" labeled "Abstract Electronica" by others. =20 > It's like people think that since they don't feel much for this music =20 > there must be some hidden abstract quality within it... they just =20 > just don't dare to realize that the music simply is bad ;-) I'd like =20 > to propose a big cheers for The Artist's Right To Be Boring!!! ;-)) =20 > (Yes, seriously. Nothing good comes out of playing it safely all the =20 > way and mistakes must be allowed to hit the good ones) >=20 > per >=20 >=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 4 20:15:02 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 91EB73BF21; Mon, 4 Jun 2007 20:15:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=WizBfsXeUu+ktF84XNRqkiTast+Cu2GWWRhAoedr1pmyz50tZCya8b1pf/Uy8NMIpQLkqxep8pjmfmfYZ2CtbV43IENk4/80nnjuGjbw4it6VO5FQFZkzICgb+FcjojmzXUI1pB7cIBhLOUpdHyCHUkKtXGJdazKt7fqLrfAhxM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=JrKYGF/wXdE51gozL5Ebbf0D0r+b1Hmk09NurQ99WhT5OD0OviJHtMdvqhmnWDPA5/1yEBNAElhCbVeKHaRx/XWFwJL7gOhjwkU75G32AB7HAj6hJs1yVjFv3NoU8pBLLS5qbLjFtwPz2AkSVJFtbRmpZEYi8Qn76ErV5NVpvwY= Message-ID: Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2007 15:15:00 -0500 From: "Jon Southwood" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: AW: do we need a forum ? In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_4256_25885389.1180988100098" References: <3AAC0F26-1536-4A9C-B966-D4584CA98454@zerocrossing.net> <4cf76a0b0706041127y5ba2ff3k611a359c4c1bdad2@mail.gmail.com> <4cf76a0b0706041135p4ebc7bdfic87d0a8ef5b623c4@mail.gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70819 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2007 20:15:02 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_4256_25885389.1180988100098 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Actually, it's easier for Kim to let the subscribers filter the e-mails themselves. Every major e-mail client software has the ability to filter e-mails. I use Thunderbird for my home e-mail, Entourage for my work e-mail, and Gmail for all the lists to which I subscribe. In all three cases, I can filter incoming mail and either move it (in the case of Thunderbird and Entourage) or tag it (Gmail). Todd Pafford explained what field in the e-mail header could be used to ensure all LD e-mail was caught by a client's filter in this message: http://www.loopers-delight.com/LDarchive/200612/msg00026.html Note that Gmail doesn't allow you to select specific headers, but you can use the "To:" field in a Gmail filter to catch LD e-mails. That's what I do. Then, you can just click the label you attach to it as part of the filter when you want to just look at all the LD postings. Heck, I even have Gmail look for references to the EDP so I can quickly go to info about it. Works like a charm. Cheers, Jon On 6/4/07, Michael Billow wrote: > > Maybe so, but not "email subject heading", which I think would be very > helpful and quite simple to implement. > > On 6/4/07, Tony K < bigtonyk@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > Oh Look! An oily spot where the dead horse used to be... > > > > We aren't getting a forum. We are a mailing list. People have started > > forums, they languish unused. It is not worth the setup time because nobody > > uses the ones that are there already. > > > > Unfortunately, this subject is set to a 100% feedback loop. It just > > keeps coming around and around and around... > > > > I bet Kim has the word 'forum' in his killfile. :) > > > > Tony > > > > > > > > On 6/4/07, miles ward wrote: > > > > > > Kim's, in my humble estimation. > > > > > > On 6/4/07, Travis Hartnett wrote: > > > > Who's setup time are you referring to--yours, or Kim's? > > > > > > > > On 6/4/07, miles ward wrote: > > > > > I think a forum would be great, if only for searchability and > > > > > historical reference. > > > > > Well worth the setup time. > > > > > -Miles > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > ---Miles Ward > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > -==-=-=- > > Tony > > > ------=_Part_4256_25885389.1180988100098 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Actually, it's easier for Kim to let the subscribers filter the e-mails themselves. Every major e-mail client software has the ability to filter e-mails. I use Thunderbird for my home e-mail, Entourage for my work e-mail, and Gmail for all the lists to which I subscribe. In all three cases, I can filter incoming mail and either move it (in the case of Thunderbird and Entourage) or tag it (Gmail). Todd Pafford explained what field in the e-mail header could be used to ensure all LD e-mail was caught by a client's filter in this message:

http://www.loopers-delight.com/LDarchive/200612/msg00026.html

Note that Gmail doesn't allow you to select specific headers, but you can use the "To:" field in a Gmail filter to catch LD e-mails. That's what I do. Then, you can just click the label you attach to it as part of the filter when you want to just look at all the LD postings.

Heck, I even have Gmail look for references to the EDP so I can quickly go to info about it. Works like a charm.

Cheers,

Jon

On 6/4/07, Michael Billow <mbillow@gmail.com> wrote:
Maybe so, but not "email subject heading", which I think would be very helpful and quite simple to implement.

On 6/4/07, Tony K < bigtonyk@gmail.com> wrote:
Oh Look! An oily spot where the dead horse used to be...

We aren't getting a forum. We are a mailing list. People have started forums, they languish unused. It is not worth the setup time because nobody uses the ones that are there already.

Unfortunately, this subject is set to a 100% feedback loop. It just keeps coming around and around and around...

I bet Kim has the word 'forum' in his killfile. :)

Tony

On 6/4/07, miles ward <miles932@gmail.com> wrote:
Kim's, in my humble estimation.

On 6/4/07, Travis Hartnett <travishartnett@gmail.com> wrote:
> Who's setup time are you referring to--yours, or Kim's?
>
> On 6/4/07, miles ward <miles932@gmail.com> wrote:
> > I think a forum would be great, if only for searchability and
> > historical reference.
> > Well worth the setup time.
> > -Miles
> >
>
>

--
---Miles Ward

--
-==-=-=-
Tony

------=_Part_4256_25885389.1180988100098-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 4 20:20:02 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id ADDE73BF69; Mon, 4 Jun 2007 20:20:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: HarryEsq@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2007 16:19:51 EDT Subject: Re: the best.... the worst.... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-----------------------------1180988391" X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 15301 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70820 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2007 20:20:02 +0000 (UTC) -------------------------------1180988391 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Loops don't repeat, people do. Harry Weinberg, Esq. Law Offices of Harry Weinberg 11 Beach Street - 8th Floor New York, N.Y. 10013 (212) 989-2908 ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. -------------------------------1180988391 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Loops don't repeat, people do.

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-------------------------------1180988391-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 4 20:20:09 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7D4313BF70; Mon, 4 Jun 2007 20:20:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: Mobius, Bidule Vista and RME problem ? Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2007 15:20:06 -0500 Message-ID: <3B760999C264454D82652640BB74075C370765@keel.sailpoint.com> In-Reply-To: <20070604192910.EB2663BF18@arsenic.violacea.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Mobius, Bidule Vista and RME problem ? Thread-Index: Acem3lAXBBGITswNQeepTT2AjpImRAAACWkgAAGwCrA= References: <3E76CAA8-94A9-4F99-8FDE-7D716982D48C@gmail.com> <20070604192910.EB2663BF18@arsenic.violacea.com> From: "Jeff Larson" To: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70821 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2007 20:20:09 +0000 (UTC) When you say it sounds bad, do you hear clicks=20 and pops as you play? If so it probably means that the ASIO buffer size is too small. Try raising it in Bidule. I usually use 256 but I've tried 128 in the past with no problems. Jeff =20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 4 20:25:23 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 40F983BF56; Mon, 4 Jun 2007 20:25:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: Mobius, Bidule Vista and RME problem ? Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2007 15:25:19 -0500 Message-ID: <3B760999C264454D82652640BB74075C370766@keel.sailpoint.com> In-Reply-To: <20070604211130.fdjjgjdhc0sos0kk@webmail.gebaeude7.de> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Mobius, Bidule Vista and RME problem ? Thread-Index: Acem3CgYIm03a10LRXyJMm459n64zwACgZCg References: <4661272C.8090103@f2s.com> <3AAC0F26-1536-4A9C-B966-D4584CA98454@zerocrossing.net><4cf76a0b0706041127y5ba2ff3k611a359c4c1bdad2@mail.gmail.com><4cf76a0b0706041135p4ebc7bdfic87d0a8ef5b623c4@mail.gmail.com> <20070604211130.fdjjgjdhc0sos0kk@webmail.gebaeude7.de> From: "Jeff Larson" To: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70822 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2007 20:25:23 +0000 (UTC) > when using my RME hammerfall DSP ASIO drivers with for example Absynth > everything is OK. But when using it with Mobius or bidule I just get a > strange sound. I hear sound but it sounds "broken". Also check to see if the RME is set to use a 44.1K sampling rate. Mobius currently requires 44.1K. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 4 20:51:49 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4FAF33BF21; Mon, 4 Jun 2007 20:51:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Jens Wolters" To: Subject: AW: Mobius, Bidule Vista and RME problem ? Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2007 22:51:58 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 In-Reply-To: <3B760999C264454D82652640BB74075C370766@keel.sailpoint.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Thread-Index: Acem3CgYIm03a10LRXyJMm459n64zwACgZCgAAD0ESA= Message-Id: <20070604205147.B21273BEF1@arsenic.violacea.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70823 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2007 20:51:49 +0000 (UTC) Hello Jeff, yes it's set to 44.1K and played around with the buffer. It's not audio glitches that I hear. I sounds as I would play something with a 4bit = sound or something. Greetings Jens. -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- Von: Jeff Larson [mailto:jeff.larson@sailpoint.com]=20 Gesendet: Montag, 4. Juni 2007 22:25 An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Betreff: RE: Mobius, Bidule Vista and RME problem ? > when using my RME hammerfall DSP ASIO drivers with for example Absynth > everything is OK. But when using it with Mobius or bidule I just get a > strange sound. I hear sound but it sounds "broken". Also check to see if the RME is set to use a 44.1K sampling rate. Mobius currently requires 44.1K. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 4 20:52:00 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 61A963BF28; Mon, 4 Jun 2007 20:51:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Jens Wolters" To: Subject: AW: Mobius, Bidule Vista and RME problem ? Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2007 22:52:11 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 In-Reply-To: <3B760999C264454D82652640BB74075C370766@keel.sailpoint.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Thread-Index: Acem3CgYIm03a10LRXyJMm459n64zwACgZCgAAEBHyA= Message-Id: <20070604205159.5B6343BF13@arsenic.violacea.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70824 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2007 20:51:59 +0000 (UTC) Jeff, do you use VISTA ? Greetings Jens -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- Von: Jeff Larson [mailto:jeff.larson@sailpoint.com]=20 Gesendet: Montag, 4. Juni 2007 22:25 An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Betreff: RE: Mobius, Bidule Vista and RME problem ? > when using my RME hammerfall DSP ASIO drivers with for example Absynth > everything is OK. But when using it with Mobius or bidule I just get a > strange sound. I hear sound but it sounds "broken". Also check to see if the RME is set to use a 44.1K sampling rate. Mobius currently requires 44.1K. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 4 21:29:38 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id ED8DB3BEEA; Mon, 4 Jun 2007 21:29:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [4.246.75.243] X-Originating-Email: [sambacomet@hotmail.com] X-Sender: sambacomet@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <20070604201503.004EF3BF50@arsenic.violacea.com> From: "samba -" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Artist's right to be boring Date: Mon, 04 Jun 2007 14:29:34 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Jun 2007 21:29:36.0089 (UTC) FILETIME=[730BB490:01C7A6EF] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70825 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2007 21:29:37 +0000 (UTC) I thought the abstract elctronica thing swas funny. Artsists do have a right to be boring,but don't have aright to get paid. There's an old vaudevile trick that can work quite well when one has an audience that won't walk out. An intentionaly boring interlude can lower people's expectations ans threshold for excitement,rendering them more receptive to the interesting stuff ( you know ,like when you turn on the blacklights).Done right this can be part of sending people home feeling like they had a great time. _________________________________________________________________ Make every IM count. Download Messenger and join the i’m Initiative now. It’s free. http://im.live.com/messenger/im/home/?source=TAGHM_June07 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 4 21:30:29 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 68B0B3BF10; Mon, 4 Jun 2007 21:30:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=mW/wGiwx6xQfkNQ5X9spJvbrnSqO7Yk2j3R2kM8ILNKt8RHqUQMjNB9WnuQjVuIJb4IU/ke1dsLHfRDp8ACcDjhAmka4LahvhYK1Gtnqw8WxJIk1AK7CinpCRoXY/1A3j+zLvVwDANCp6ui2xI8eyusOwJmBQrobwdQdGJKx5TY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=i6+f2xWa6XXreoL21RtQpF1P49keZUZnks4kVtAIavFhDi8NnHz8gJjiAqiFvfdxMO16oAZ/UDTYgWXoYJ+39oI00UPEiewcR/SnU5PcJzxV1PTsdA/93U02acQIQxAZFugKn4b88iXmqWSV4z3hOM9kTt0LQXQafMKNByoDJ5c= Message-ID: Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2007 14:30:26 -0700 From: "Doug Wellington" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Using G-mail: was 'Do we need a forum' In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <014101c7a671$d9fe37a0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> <46644472.9040305@biink.com> <4664654F.1060905@biink.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70826 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2007 21:30:29 +0000 (UTC) Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they're *NOT* out to get you... "You have no privacy. Get over it." -Scott McNealy Doug http://www.analognotes.com http://www.stoogepanels.com http://www.softsampling.com http://www.dougwellington.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 4 21:32:02 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9DEAD3BF1F; Mon, 4 Jun 2007 21:32:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-SBRS: None X-SenderGroup: RELAYLIST X-MailFlowPolicy: $RELAYED X-MID: 601519051 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: The Artist's Right To Be Boring (was: Re: the best.... the worst....) Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2007 22:32:00 +0100 Message-ID: <1BB076E4C332F9469148F41725F17A7203827227@MTVNE-EXCLUST02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: The Artist's Right To Be Boring (was: Re: the best.... the worst....) Thread-Index: Acem78lWoG70gm+WTx+CJwXcuFybxw== References: <2116412034.1180986575916.JavaMail.root@fepweb14> From: "Goddard, Duncan" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Jun 2007 21:32:00.0784 (UTC) FILETIME=[C94A6900:01C7A6EF] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70827 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2007 21:32:02 +0000 (UTC) >>I fall flat on my face about as many times as I do well.<< we (r.m.i.) used to preface our live performances & appear in interviews with this very disclaimer; "we could just as easily fall on our arses or end up making something amazing" & "we're hearing it for the first time too!"..... but after a little while [sound of own trumpet coming out of it's case & getting ready to be blown...] we realised that even in our own small corner of the musical universe, there was room for every possible sort of chancer, no-hoper & yes, "failure music".=20 only these were failures who were proud of the tiny effort they'd taken to get together some star-trek hardware but had forgotten to get some chops together & learn to play music. about 90% of the success of a musician, imho, is to do with how good of a listener he is, & the remaining 10% goes on technicalities & good fortune. remind me of the boy-racer types with a coked-up toy car fitted with superfluous lightshow & 2" exhaust pipes. we reverted to using the old fashioned rock trio instrumentation & pushed the (hardware) electronica into the background originally in an effort to distance ourselves from the arms race, but at the same time we were conscious that some folks who saw this were astonished that we could actually play something on "real instruments". of course, we still go on our arses sometimes- everyone does. :-) with the increased use of technology in music, we have seen a corresponding falling-off in skills, f'sure, but that's not the worst of it. some of the most vibrant music of the late 70s was made by relatively unskilled musicians, after all. the other week, I was lucky enough to attend the royal festival hall (shortly to re-open to the public) for an "acoustic tuning event", featuring a selection of artists. the notion was that in the course of the evening, we'd be able to assess the effect of the refurbishment on the acoustics of the place whilst experiencing something of the breadth of the entertainment one might expect to see & hear there, & fill in a questionnaire for the architects to ponder.... so we got bert jansch, st etienne, a loopist called schlomo (he does human beatbox very well), a little jazz quartet.... & then "sonic boom" came on, with (one presumes) a laptop. [sigh]. (I actually did sigh then, too). "I haven't the first idea what I'm trying to say with this noise, but I've very cleverly programmed this computer to do most of the work. even so, I'm going to make it look as if it's so hard- working this thing- that you'll excuse me for not engaging with you poor saps or creating any sort of a narrative thread with this so-called music. I once worked with delia derbyshire, so you MUST take me VERY seriously." if I could fit all that on a t-shirt I have 100 made, give one to sonic boom & hand the rest out to.... well.... his worshippers, I s'pose. those guys sure know how to have fun! I'm not saying that all artists-who-use-laptops-on-stage are bad, of course.... just the ones who hide behind them. yikes.... how did I get so judgemental? d. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 4 21:36:01 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 063083BF27; Mon, 4 Jun 2007 21:36:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.8 (2007-02-13) on smtp.atwdsl.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.2 required=6.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,AWL,BAYES_00, DATE_IN_FUTURE_24_48 autolearn=no version=3.1.8 Message-ID: <4665D7EA.8060008@unguitar.com> Date: Tue, 05 Jun 2007 23:38:50 +0200 From: Luca Formentini User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Artist's right to be boring References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70828 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2007 21:36:01 +0000 (UTC) mmmhhhh.... juicy, I will try that next saturday. First I will play guitar ( interlude) than I will try to play music ;-) ciao a tutti, luca www.unguitar.com samba - wrote: > > I thought the abstract elctronica thing swas funny. Artsists do have a > right to be boring,but don't have aright to get paid. There's an old > vaudevile trick that can work quite well when one has an audience that > won't walk out. An intentionaly boring interlude can lower people's > expectations ans threshold for excitement,rendering them more > receptive to the interesting stuff ( you know ,like when you turn on > the blacklights).Done right this can be part of sending people home > feeling like they had a great time. > > _________________________________________________________________ > Make every IM count. Download Messenger and join the i’m Initiative > now. It’s free. http://im.live.com/messenger/im/home/?source=TAGHM_June07 > > > > __________ Informazione NOD32 2307 (20070604) __________ > > Questo messaggio è stato controllato dal Sistema Antivirus NOD32 > http://www.nod32.it > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 4 22:07:11 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1DE2E3BEFC; Mon, 4 Jun 2007 22:07:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: "LD List" Subject: test - please ignore Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2007 00:07:28 +0200 Organization: Moinlabs Message-ID: <000001c7a6f4$bddae9a0$1001a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <4665D7EA.8060008@unguitar.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Thread-Index: Acem8Fh4eYidY3xpTbCLHaGx4m544gABFCOQ X-RZG-AUTH: lUESeo99iNzPL8kuBgLYdKEqUywq9cxqeRA+BtFcSCD5deQ7OIZ29EPn X-RZG-CLASS-ID: mo07 Resent-Message-ID: <73nhUC.A.jcG.O0IZGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70829 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2007 22:07:10 +0000 (UTC) had a few problems with mails to LD recently - test, please ignore From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 4 22:28:44 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 72EFB3BF18; Mon, 4 Jun 2007 22:28:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2007 18:28:30 EDT Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Re:=20The=20Artist's=20Right=20To=20Be=20Boring=20?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q?(was:=A0=20Re:=20the=20best....=20the=20worst....)?= To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_bba.18b3ec81.3395ec0e_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 293 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: <_E1a0.A.ed.cIJZGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70830 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2007 22:28:44 +0000 (UTC) --part1_bba.18b3ec81.3395ec0e_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 6/4/07 3:50:15 PM, tedkillian@charter.net writes: > Artists need to be accorded a "right to be awful" from time to time > how often before it becomes a problem and you turn into an awful artist?....."I'm a noise band!" that's it!.....still holding at 20 mins. of acoustic guitar playin in over a month.....gettin weird.....i did my first looping in over a month today with.....my setup-----> casio cz 5000 and an ampex 2001 tape mic----->mackie vlz 1202.....one send goes to an electrix "mo-fx" (my looper).....the other send goes to an alesis q-2-----> and all this goes to some srm 450's (so the awful (full of awe) music can be really loud).....what happened to the east coast festivities, got awful quiet around here or did everyone run off too some forum or other?.....:).....mic www.ct-collective.com http://mysite.verizon.net/vzepmeci/ http://www.myspace.com/klobuchar11 ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. --part1_bba.18b3ec81.3395ec0e_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
In a message dated 6/4/07 3:50:15 PM, tedkillian@charter.net writes:

Artists need to be ac= corded a "right to be awful" from time to time

how often before it becomes a problem and you turn into an awful artist?.= ...."I'm a noise band!" that's it!.....still holding at 20 mins. of acoustic= guitar playin in over a month.....gettin weird.....i did my first looping i= n over a month today with.....my setup-----> casio cz 5000 and an ampex 2= 001 tape mic----->mackie vlz 1202.....one send goes to an electrix "mo-fx= " (my looper).....the other send goes to an alesis q-2-----> and all this= goes to some srm 450's (so the awful (full of awe) music can be really loud= ).....what happened to the east coast festivities, got awful quiet around he= re or did everyone run off too some forum or other?.....:).....mic

www.ct-collective.com
http://mysite.verizon.net/vzepmeci/
http://www.myspace.com/klobuchar11

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See what's=20= free at http://www.aol.com. --part1_bba.18b3ec81.3395ec0e_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 4 22:34:10 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 687863BF10; Mon, 4 Jun 2007 22:34:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4664936F.7050306@biink.com> Date: Mon, 04 Jun 2007 18:34:23 -0400 From: David Beardsley Reply-To: db@biink.com Organization: Biink & SSI User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2 (Windows/20050317) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: The Artist's Right To Be Boring (was: Re: the best.... the worst....) References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70831 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2007 22:34:10 +0000 (UTC) Nemoguitt@aol.com wrote: > .....what happened to the east coast festivities, got awful quiet > around here or did everyone run off too some forum or > other?.....:).....mic High level talks are in progress by interested partys. -- * David Beardsley * microtonal guitar * http://biink.com/db * http://biink.com/poole From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 5 01:11:39 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 52C5B3BF0F; Tue, 5 Jun 2007 01:11:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Zoe Keating Subject: looping in the press Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2007 18:11:32 -0700 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-Server-Quench: b261b63a-1301-11dc-a443-001185d377ca X-AuthRoute: OCdyZQ4WAlZeQQAe DQsWCyJDRAw5JxtD RxQEKB1+J10RWB5K d2pXKltcMEE0QVZe QzNJGEkABQEoDjsx dVkOMEtdZ1U0Glt1 UkhJRUJSFg9pABYC BFAcUh5sdQVEZn95 bVhgXHhEXkF4cFl9 DBJREGx0ADZmaGcc VUBfOQRTdk0YfBlE OFZ8BW4MYmUGe3th EwR2NmxtZnAHcH0M ElwBdg1NSk8dGjk7 XxEEEn0uGwUZRyh7 NwYrMUV0 X-Authentic-SMTP: 61633135363331.squirrel.dmpriest.net.uk:671/Kp X-Report-SPAM: If SPAM / abuse - report it at: http://www.authsmtp.com/abuse X-Virus-Status: No virus detected - but ensure you scan with your own anti-virus system! Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70832 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2007 01:11:39 +0000 (UTC) The Sacramento Bee wrote up a very nice story about me on Sunday. I think this is the first article ever to get the technical details of what I'm doing correct! Also, I might do it live on Thursday or Friday on "Good Day Sacramento". If anyone out there lives in Sacramento, has a TV, and watches morning news television! http://www.sacbee.com/music/story/201485.html From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 5 03:14:04 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E6ACA3BF0B; Tue, 5 Jun 2007 03:14:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=Bf9Rs3gk5SrGQ5stXwV6GWxAxavAGGyqXXWc6hRnBF6lBMuVAQHIjTY82mS3W/KAEz6BtnYTRzXc9ZmaP7PPF6M0Q8gaNm+KhgMfaLKOKfEoXa/n6DRFoySfab+bpcbOBAGoWMGFpYjCOpnbWF8wWc5JL322UNVPtuHrdMNO1Ag= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=b6fFxbLS99rNcrQnXSlCdKrmsxgaQxU0ByT6Idxpkn/MJIJuBJdeafLOxFqPfB2GTun6exg1r6pAuwX1/BkAaktIwYQT15Z7JTc9aJdkQF63zYVQI+v7duNQtfBm5zEggqMGaGcZVpffhmj8x6ogybmZLduGWDHw2LK7H2S91y8= Message-ID: Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2007 23:14:03 -0400 From: "Mark Trewella" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: MOOG MF-105 MURF In-Reply-To: <20070603175334.7ebmgeq1q84w0os4@webmail.gebaeude7.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <20070603003152.D0C503BEF6@arsenic.violacea.com> <20070603175334.7ebmgeq1q84w0os4@webmail.gebaeude7.de> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70833 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2007 03:14:04 +0000 (UTC) Yea I got one! It is NASTY! Very versatile, its all about the expression pedals really, becomes another instrument, I recently played a show and needed my guitar to sound, well, not like a guitar, I used to expression pedals, one for frequency and another for LFO amount, I would randomly figit with the LFO rate with my feet and bring the pulse of it in and out with the pedal. Its pretty out of this world. Definitely the best ring mod out there, have played quite a few, glad I own this one. On 6/3/07, jenswolters@gebaeude7.de wrote: > Hi, > > I was wondering if they are any VST plugins that sound like that ? > It is really a great piece of gear. But 420 euro is extremly expensive > I think. > > Greetings Jens > > > On Sun, 3 Jun 2007, Jens Wolters wrote: > > > >> Has anybody played one of these? > > > > I doubt I'm the only one here, but I've had one of these since they > > were released, along with its bass-optimized relative the MF-105B. What > > did you want to know that's not on the Moog page > > > > http://www.moogmusic.com/detail.php?main_product_id=111 > > > > or in the Gearwire walkthroughs (all hail google): > > > > http://www.gearwire.com/moog-moogerfooger-murf-guitar.html > > > > http://www.gearwire.com/moog-moogerfooger-murf-keyboard.html > > > > ? > > > > regards, > > Steve B Subscape Annex http://www.subscapeannex.com/ > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 5 03:15:47 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6F3D23BF1A; Tue, 5 Jun 2007 03:15:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=HO2dIc1B/+jpfVPrJl/uh2iEY3x5YVWEe9T7JIUA5Ut9dnN6blPcsMhWO7ANOeTjlsOKV4SUZ4w0M3JtMbGgwbnHQITyqX/1y79bnKRxn5V+NYX3mE/9JCsw7jaapAQq1uYmOs4qzPCC9yhkI3UE/1UZaeadGwLYicnE4uajUcU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=og/EaPfaz6KzxitBG2V+pBGCEWmhOnLA6ln6SsPcxjDjdI70hH2DQlMD8M5m5HKdOWh3AokYlmdCfAOJpqfV6Q7YS8+qWDKWjTQiUz+CoU3oQQ5WNljHoTnEkBm/p09Gk3HpoUcRJaBlfKBIVs9R6jNxJmqMDmETB7liEi7jF0M= Message-ID: Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2007 23:15:46 -0400 From: "Mark Trewella" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Using G-mail: was 'Do we need a forum' In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <014101c7a671$d9fe37a0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> <46644472.9040305@biink.com> <4664654F.1060905@biink.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70834 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2007 03:15:47 +0000 (UTC) I just opened a new gmail email just for this list. I have been on and off for years do to massive email attacks and now got it all separate, when I want to see what is up with LD I check this email, works for me..... On 6/4/07, Doug Wellington wrote: > Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they're *NOT* out to get you... > > "You have no privacy. Get over it." -Scott McNealy > > Doug > > http://www.analognotes.com > http://www.stoogepanels.com > http://www.softsampling.com > http://www.dougwellington.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 5 03:17:07 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BA7893BF19; Tue, 5 Jun 2007 03:17:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=o/b7YsG4geRtYr3VbE1Gq2r47SZxk9HITHp+NyI5Kl01+2dQ++1/0hi8VSZEgLh2Lp1GajNSXaO8Jwv18cCye5Qz+vKt4aPQqj+XBBye3pfQ9zyT4Lg3Ogpyno0E14FqY1RLPM4im5JxG3ssZUC4EiCro9pA8sDa0SC9EXgyXyY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=YOxU+nRn52wonkXfU8NbKtbvIl3tYUC7j5IjwIzoNNLyfFS9EKuC93HznnBz/N0DRykE69cMvVzAwfQWhGRl/jrLCvtb7QXcJWqatrQrtmGJaVFwuNvMgZqBtah0kCD4BBHIlPW7ADsbdBvxXVSTn9NBr4H64Be/ZDf8xmonVLw= Message-ID: Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2007 23:17:02 -0400 From: "Mark Trewella" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Eventide Time Factor any Info reviews on it yet? In-Reply-To: <71749.125.qm@web38605.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <20070603003152.D0C503BEF6@arsenic.violacea.com> <71749.125.qm@web38605.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: <5hOxsD.A.lkE.zWNZGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70835 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2007 03:17:07 +0000 (UTC) Looks like a sick delay, I need more for looping but for a delay box it might replace my DL4.....want to test one out in a music store first though.....I dont think they have shipped yet.... On 6/3/07, L.A. Angulo wrote: > If anybody comes across any reviews on this one let me > know,i am waiting waiting... > Luis > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________Ready for the edge of your seat? > Check out tonight's top picks on Yahoo! TV. > http://tv.yahoo.com/ > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 5 04:30:05 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 68F9F3BF13; Tue, 5 Jun 2007 04:30:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=ZJp4Jlqa4b062tRENISBVXKKaz08tdyhwPfxH7P9P3nJiHP5qs/rkKYgjhujwzeHAPkZO1neK7NCHTZlt3PgYY9qPO2hXG/4Yg85Mz2MjrgsVszskVCAvh9AU7pIskyUM2MSocr1YexSK5YSRIU+0WaeI8HN2R/yH1EBBK8p/xA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=UV8PNAylOdCdTAwKf7wigfqXkrXjCBRUK2MCPa+XZEz9kSzJNMgo3CJltkH36UYhJXKrYU04F/d9JEjH4WydUraGxpslSt2Vj8Jt/4jJMYXi8rudk9kQANas5z6/J3UyRdIGaGPaNxhbEDQgJwV+S7xw5QL/s8qzrY5vbca55Ok= Message-ID: Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2007 23:30:03 -0500 From: "Doug Cox" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: looping in the press In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_18069_14841413.1181017803256" References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70836 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2007 04:30:05 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_18069_14841413.1181017803256 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Congrats Zoe! Nice to see an accurate discussion of live looping for the general masses. Also nice to see you continuing to do your thing! Doug On 6/4/07, Zoe Keating wrote: > > The Sacramento Bee wrote up a very nice story about me on Sunday. I > think this is the first article ever to get the technical details of > what I'm doing correct! > > Also, I might do it live on Thursday or Friday on "Good Day > Sacramento". If anyone out there lives in Sacramento, has a TV, and > watches morning news television! > > http://www.sacbee.com/music/story/201485.html > > ------=_Part_18069_14841413.1181017803256 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Congrats Zoe!

Nice to see an accurate discussion of live looping for the general masses. Also nice to see you continuing to do your thing!

Doug

On 6/4/07, Zoe Keating <cello@zoekeating.com> wrote:
The Sacramento Bee wrote up a very nice story about me on Sunday. I
think this is the first article ever to get the technical details of
what I'm doing correct!

Also, I might do it live on Thursday or Friday on "Good Day
Sacramento". If anyone out there lives in Sacramento, has a TV, and
watches morning news television!

http://www.sacbee.com/music/story/201485.html

------=_Part_18069_14841413.1181017803256-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 5 09:31:04 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 72D3F3BEF7; Tue, 5 Jun 2007 09:31:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Michael Peters" To: "Loopers Delight" References: Subject: RE: looping in the press Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2007 11:30:14 +0200 Message-ID: <000101c7a754$2ab27b60$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: AcenNUnCoImSHiZZSUys+OYJcWc1SQAAVFmg In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70837 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2007 09:31:04 +0000 (UTC) congratulations Zoe ... this is great Michael www.michaelpeters.de > -----Original Message----- > From: Zoe Keating [mailto:cello@zoekeating.com] > Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2007 3:12 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: looping in the press > > The Sacramento Bee wrote up a very nice story about me on Sunday. I > think this is the first article ever to get the technical details of > what I'm doing correct! > > Also, I might do it live on Thursday or Friday on "Good Day > Sacramento". If anyone out there lives in Sacramento, has a TV, and > watches morning news television! > > http://www.sacbee.com/music/story/201485.html > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 5 12:24:12 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E4D423BEF9; Tue, 5 Jun 2007 12:24:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <06b801c7a76c$697a0760$e701a8c0@pcfabio> Reply-To: "e t e r o g e n e o" From: "e t e r o g e n e o" To: References: <000301c7a606$b7d8ecd0$1001a8c0@succubus> <016d01c7a669$5f316cc0$6401a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> Subject: Re: Live Loopers on youtube Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2007 14:24:06 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Spam-Rating: smtp4.aruba.it 1.6.2 0/1000/N Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70838 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2007 12:24:12 +0000 (UTC) Thanks for sharing these, Kris. Nice performances !!! fabio www.eterogeneo.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Sent: Monday, June 04, 2007 7:29 AM Subject: Re: Live Loopers on youtube > Good idea. I already have an account there with some prior videos, so I > uploaded these as well. > > I just created a page for all my live looping videos, including links to > download and play (from Google): > > http://www.krispenhartung.com/looping-videos.htm > > Kris > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" > To: > Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2007 11:43 AM > Subject: AW: Live Loopers on youtube > > > Use google video. > > http://video.google.de/videosearch?q=moinlabs > >> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- >> Von: Krispen Hartung [mailto:khartung@cableone.net] >> Gesendet: Sonntag, 3. Juni 2007 18:47 >> An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >> Betreff: Re: Live Loopers on youtube >> >> But what's with the 10 min time limitation? Ridiculous. >> >> Kris > > > > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: > 269.8.9/832 - Release Date: 04/06/2007 18.43 > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 5 15:07:09 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EF84D3BF02; Tue, 5 Jun 2007 15:07:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: midifriedchicken@comcast.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com (Loopers Delight) Subject: Sync drift with EDP. Causes? Solutions? Date: Tue, 05 Jun 2007 15:07:06 +0000 Message-Id: <060520071507.28403.46657C1A00085A8200006EF32216557996020A050C07080C0B0A079D00070B0703@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Oct 4 2006) X-Authenticated-Sender: bWlkaWZyaWVkY2hpY2tlbkBjb21jYXN0Lm5ldA== MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_28403_1181056026_0" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70839 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2007 15:07:08 +0000 (UTC) --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_28403_1181056026_0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Using a brand new EDP with the latest software. Trying to sync to a Yamaha DD55 or Ableton, seems to drift after about 24 bars. Any thoughts on why or how to solve the issue? Thanks --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_28403_1181056026_0 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Using a brand new EDP with the latest software. Trying to sync to a Yamaha DD55 or Ableton, seems to drift after about 24 bars. Any thoughts on why or how to solve the issue?

Thanks

--NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_28403_1181056026_0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 5 17:23:04 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 518EE3BEFC; Tue, 5 Jun 2007 17:23:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <000e01c7a796$2e124230$4101a8c0@mini> From: "Claude Voit" To: References: <060520071507.28403.46657C1A00085A8200006EF32216557996020A050C07080C0B0A079D00070B0703@comcast.net> Subject: Re: Sync drift with EDP. Causes? Solutions? Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2007 19:23:05 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="Windows-1252"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70840 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2007 17:23:04 +0000 (UTC) tell us your sync setting so we dont have to guess Claude Using a brand new EDP with the latest software. Trying to sync to a Yamaha DD55 or Ableton, seems to drift after about 24 bars. Any thoughts on why or how to solve the issue? Thanks From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 5 17:35:09 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A2F343BF05; Tue, 5 Jun 2007 17:35:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:x-google-sender-auth; b=KA1kSUz8tGyPlpjRw9y9y73QQDB2w51gokVhmeJizl3lp1+puC4MyAJhXpQrq1h/lS7x0hcdw/sogIBmjWcFcDUXZ5K6YlU7VEpBS9p4iqO0BNOToQcndbIePKBtVDk0byGfez7JRmRCqqThB6AzHDOjw+PjWHhc1X+i4lGZVVk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:x-google-sender-auth; b=fpei8QOxYdRcmZMWTsIamrIc1BIMPvZDZLhYF2joS/dUoYLcCwsz8TJs8uofDeycg0Xb/YmaP9mJjPnuZvV+IlExLnWFU0WnHa6nMcXC8cigCiRHxazke/dej3bAbeXEmoTpcqLbXqrD60rNhVNUdfykwkaS8J5zxP/xXraz38c= Message-ID: Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2007 10:35:06 -0700 From: "James Reynolds" Sender: toasthaiku@gmail.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: FS: Oberheim Echoplex, Lexicon Jam Man MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Google-Sender-Auth: 9513fc2f5b836dab Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70841 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2007 17:35:09 +0000 (UTC) Sorry, last post about this. :) The vortex got snapped up, but the Echoplex and Jam Man are now up on eBay - check them out, you might snag a deal! http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=290125732703 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=290125729364 James (previous msg below:) Hi all, I frequented this list back in the late 90's and found the folks here to be the most like-minded and supportive creative community I've ever been involved with. And I'm sure that spirit continues today! But I just wanted to pop back in for a bit and offer you guys first dibs on my looping hardware before I put it up on Ebay. I treated all my looping tools with loving care during our time together, but as they have spent the last several years in a dark, quiet box, I've decided that it is time for them to find new owners who can give them the attention they deserve. All equipment was purchased brand new in '98 or thereabouts. I live in San Francisco and commute to the East Bay, so local pickup is possible. Oberheim Echoplex Digital Pro - asking 550 * Full 198-second memory upgrade * Includes Loop III v5.0 software (I was a beta tester for Kim!) * Includes manuals, foot pedal, spectraflex cable, etc. * http://dr.toast.dj/temp/ebay/oberheim%20echoplex%20front.jpg * http://dr.toast.dj/temp/ebay/oberheim%20echoplex%20detail.jpg * http://dr.toast.dj/temp/ebay/oberheim%20echoplex%20rear.jpg * http://dr.toast.dj/temp/ebay/oberheim%20echoplex%20kit.jpg Lexicon Jam Man - asking 300 * Full 32-second memory upgrade * Includes footpedal, manual, power supply * There is a tiny scratch/crack at the top of the red plastic covering over the LED panel. The LEDs are not in any way affected by this minor cosmetic flaw. See picture below. * http://dr.toast.dj/temp/ebay/lexicon%20jamman%20front.jpg * http://dr.toast.dj/temp/ebay/lexicon%20jamman%20detail.jpg * http://dr.toast.dj/temp/ebay/lexicon%20jamman%20kit.jpg * http://dr.toast.dj/temp/ebay/lexicon%20jamman%20screen.jpg I also have some other equipment that's about to go on Ebay, let me know if you're interested: Ensoniq ASR-10, SansAmp PSA-1, Aphex 109, Lexicon MPX-1, Fender Deluxe Reverb 68 Reissue, Mackie 1202-VLZ, Yorkville YSM-1 monitors, Hafler P-3000 amp Thanks! James From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 5 17:41:59 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 70DA53BF21; Tue, 5 Jun 2007 17:41:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: midifriedchicken@comcast.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Sync drift with EDP. Causes? Solutions? Date: Tue, 05 Jun 2007 17:41:56 +0000 Message-Id: <060520071741.23412.4665A064000A244C00005B742216527966020A050C07080C0B0A079D00070B0703@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Oct 4 2006) X-Authenticated-Sender: bWlkaWZyaWVkY2hpY2tlbkBjb21jYXN0Lm5ldA== MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_23412_1181065316_0" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70842 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2007 17:41:59 +0000 (UTC) --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_23412_1181065316_0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In. It is syncing, it just drifts. -------------- Original message -------------- From: "Claude Voit" > tell us your sync setting so we dont have to guess > > Claude > > > > Using a brand new EDP with the latest software. Trying to sync to a Yamaha > DD55 or Ableton, seems to drift after about 24 bars. Any thoughts on why or > how to solve the issue? > Thanks > > --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_23412_1181065316_0 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
In. It is syncing, it just drifts.

-------------- Original message --------------
From: "Claude Voit" <c.voit@vtx.ch>

> tell us your sync setting so we dont have to guess
>
> Claude
>
>
>
> Using a brand new EDP with the latest software. Trying to sync to a Yamaha
> DD55 or Ableton, seems to drift after about 24 bars. Any thoughts on why or
> how to solve the issue?
> Thanks
>
>
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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 5 18:19:51 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 878103BF10; Tue, 5 Jun 2007 18:19:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Cloudmark-Score: 0.000000 [] Message-ID: <002001c7a79e$1ae90a60$4001a8c0@mini> From: "CV" To: References: <060520071741.23412.4665A064000A244C00005B742216527966020A050C07080C0B0A079D00070B0703@comcast.net> Subject: Re: Sync drift with EDP. Causes? Solutions? Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2007 20:19:40 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="Windows-1252"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70843 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2007 18:19:51 +0000 (UTC) no it doesnt sync it drifts... can you see a global start point led pulsing does the edp do sync correction ? Claude ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2007 7:41 PM Subject: Re: Sync drift with EDP. Causes? Solutions? In. It is syncing, it just drifts. -------------- Original message -------------- From: "Claude Voit" > tell us your sync setting so we dont have to guess > > Claude > > > > Using a brand new EDP with the latest software. Trying to sync to a Yamaha > DD55 or Ableton, seems to drift after about 24 bars. Any thoughts on why > or > how to solve the issue? > Thanks > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 5 18:30:08 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 456C83BF19; Tue, 5 Jun 2007 18:30:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <060520071741.23412.4665A064000A244C00005B742216527966020A050C07080C0B0A079D00070B0703@comcast.net> References: <060520071741.23412.4665A064000A244C00005B742216527966020A050C07080C0B0A079D00070B0703@comcast.net> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-6-897500281 Message-Id: From: Richard Sales Subject: Re: Sync drift with EDP. Causes? Solutions? Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2007 11:29:23 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70844 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2007 18:30:08 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-6-897500281 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Using good cables? I've never used this setup you're using, but I know=20= cables for any sync stuff have to be good. Any drop out can cause=20 trouble. Just a guess richard sales glassWing farm and studio vancouver island, b.c. 800.545.6846 250.752.4816 www.glassWing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com On 5-Jun-07, at 10:41 AM, midifriedchicken@comcast.net wrote: > In. It is syncing, it just drifts. > =A0 >> -------------- Original message -------------- >> From: "Claude Voit" >> >> > tell us your sync setting so we dont have to guess >> > >> > Claude >> > >> > >> > >> > Using a brand new EDP with the latest software. Trying to sync to a=20= >> Yamaha >> > DD55 or Ableton, seems to drift after about 24 bars. Any thoughts=20= >> on why or >> > how to solve the issue? >> > Thanks >> > >> >= --Apple-Mail-6-897500281 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=ISO-8859-1 Using good cables? I've never used this setup you're using, but I know cables for any sync stuff have to be good. Any drop out can cause trouble. Just a guess Gadgetrichard sales 7373,7F7F,C5C5glassWing farm and studio vancouver island, b.c. 800.545.6846 250.752.4816C3C3,9696,1C1C www.glassWing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com On 5-Jun-07, at 10:41 AM, midifriedchicken@comcast.net wrote: In. It is syncing, it just drifts. =A0 -------------- Original message --------------=20 From: "Claude Voit" < > tell us your sync setting so we dont have to guess >=20 > Claude >=20 >=20 >=20 > Using a brand new EDP with the latest software. Trying to sync to a Yamaha > DD55 or Ableton, seems to drift after about 24 bars. Any thoughts on why or=20 > how to solve the issue? > Thanks >=20 >= --Apple-Mail-6-897500281-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 5 18:49:28 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7E8EC3BF02; Tue, 5 Jun 2007 18:49:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=PcEijuvKvAsbcQoy4t6IRTucWMytpAAYBSjUnR9BgkFWdomqk4cd+Ph/tveQfrdgNfipuwxJsnC0O5tGjbZVMidG9/WtGtdnCRNJqeC92K6cbfzHArckwWGv1yZFQLqj8wDVy5zsLHwlYAIKyvhihU9s7hR23wcBf5NHLh0hQIY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=XxbbKsqKTPZJWC/RSBV83s7P+qjc6MNTNtgTpkFw0XVkYAUMTDcDu9ZMRDfj/nwxscvHrge/+66aizposRrCuxwYhARBGKZsAZ+NDwGrrcYKARW8SnsZttiOLOA/sI1GSPCeqwwHhbi9ZoaNS4FQ+tW8jwIcL/WnG4Uy+bVsNa8= Message-ID: Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2007 13:49:24 -0500 From: "Doug Cox" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Sync drift with EDP. Causes? Solutions? In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_30410_28891697.1181069364566" References: <060520071741.23412.4665A064000A244C00005B742216527966020A050C07080C0B0A079D00070B0703@comcast.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70845 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2007 18:49:28 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_30410_28891697.1181069364566 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline are you staying in Overdub the whole time? the EDP won't re-trigger and stay in sync when it's constantly in Overdub. On 6/5/07, Richard Sales wrote: > > Using good cables? I've never used this setup you're using, but I know > cables for any sync stuff have to be good. Any drop out can cause > trouble. > > Just a guess > > richard sales > glassWing farm and studio > vancouver island, b.c. > 800.545.6846 > 250.752.4816 > www.glassWing.com > www.richardsales.com > www.hayleysales.com > www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com > On 5-Jun-07, at 10:41 AM, midifriedchicken@comcast.net wrote: > > > In. It is syncing, it just drifts. > > > >> -------------- Original message -------------- > >> From: "Claude Voit" > >> > >> > tell us your sync setting so we dont have to guess > >> > > >> > Claude > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > Using a brand new EDP with the latest software. Trying to sync to a > >> Yamaha > >> > DD55 or Ableton, seems to drift after about 24 bars. Any thoughts > >> on why or > >> > how to solve the issue? > >> > Thanks > >> > > >> > ------=_Part_30410_28891697.1181069364566 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline are you staying in Overdub the whole time? the EDP won't re-trigger and stay in sync when it's constantly in Overdub.

On 6/5/07, Richard Sales < richard@glasswing.com> wrote:
Using good cables?  I've never used this setup you're using, but I know
cables for any sync stuff have to be good. Any drop out can cause
trouble.

Just a guess

richard sales
glassWing farm and studio
vancouver island, b.c.
800.545.6846
250.752.4816
www.glassWing.com
www.richardsales.com
www.hayleysales.com
www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com
On 5-Jun-07, at 10:41 AM, midifriedchicken@comcast.net wrote:

> In. It is syncing, it just drifts.
>
>> -------------- Original message --------------
>> From: "Claude Voit" <c.voit@vtx.ch>
>>
>> > tell us your sync setting so we dont have to guess
>> >
>> > Claude
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Using a brand new EDP with the latest software. Trying to sync to a
>> Yamaha
>> > DD55 or Ableton, seems to drift after about 24 bars. Any thoughts
>> on why or
>> > how to solve the issue?
>> > Thanks
>> >
>> >

------=_Part_30410_28891697.1181069364566-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 5 19:00:27 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 109AF3BF1F; Tue, 5 Jun 2007 19:00:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=LTtBe+BUkzYsUX5na4AwgInbe00/klBSk/K291rNODN/1PqEWmPkne6mLpYBrdm1XwjBHWGHnl0gzrtbdTqfBLSbj0W8uvWpaLr5w1a9iK6Zb7BoyM6PSKXkNy0eVetdQtTXdm9p0xwQhvTUFt09Qnn0SnOUfUzChALOk9ZdiBs= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=nOdkD6jPfvJtZF2vE7f4pB9knPnS0vSLFZ+MnYNs2aP5mDrD6lzmY6V25Bj/FVpvtdZ9mTBC0q3e4FDWMetVmLo2IqByNfV7olqv2lW/342YCo4RMYOwRi9im9kfvTm/p3HZwplFJyydQdda7d7YkgvjpSkMJfTxyGQZDY+5Gxk= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: References: <060520071741.23412.4665A064000A244C00005B742216527966020A050C07080C0B0A079D00070B0703@comcast.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Sync drift with EDP. Causes? Solutions? Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2007 21:00:21 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70846 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2007 19:00:26 +0000 (UTC) > >> > Using a brand new EDP with the latest software. Trying to sync > to a > >> Yamaha > >> > DD55 or Ableton, seems to drift after about 24 bars. Any thoughts > >> on why or > >> > how to solve the issue? > >> > Thanks Please tell us the details. It's hard help when you have to guess ;-)) What are your sync settings? (check settings at the front panel) What sync protocol are you going with? (MIDI Clock, Beat Sync or Brother Sync?) Please also note Doug's question about Overdub. Any EDP in Overdub Mode will drift. When you give the full story people on the list will be able to help out. per From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 5 19:55:56 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 335A83BF19; Tue, 5 Jun 2007 19:55:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: References: <20070603003152.D0C503BEF6@arsenic.violacea.com> <20070603175334.7ebmgeq1q84w0os4@webmail.gebaeude7.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <49859B23-FEA0-4D04-8C46-7F26519A4766@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Nathan van Heynsbergen Subject: Re: MOOG MF-105 MURF Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2007 21:55:53 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Jun 2007 19:55:54.0313 (UTC) FILETIME=[869E8390:01C7A7AB] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70847 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2007 19:55:56 +0000 (UTC) is it allso a ringmodulator? thought the mf101 did that only. gr. nathan Op 5-jun-2007, om 5:14 heeft Mark Trewella het volgende geschreven: > Yea I got one! It is NASTY! Very versatile, its all about the > expression pedals really, becomes another instrument, I recently > played a show and needed my guitar to sound, well, not like a guitar, > I used to expression pedals, one for frequency and another for LFO > amount, I would randomly figit with the LFO rate with my feet and > bring the pulse of it in and out with the pedal. Its pretty out of > this world. Definitely the best ring mod out there, have played quite > a few, glad I own this one. > > On 6/3/07, jenswolters@gebaeude7.de wrote: >> Hi, >> >> I was wondering if they are any VST plugins that sound like that ? >> It is really a great piece of gear. But 420 euro is extremly >> expensive >> I think. >> >> Greetings Jens >> >> > On Sun, 3 Jun 2007, Jens Wolters wrote: >> > >> >> Has anybody played one of these? >> > >> > I doubt I'm the only one here, but I've had one of these since they >> > were released, along with its bass-optimized relative the >> MF-105B. What >> > did you want to know that's not on the Moog page >> > >> > http://www.moogmusic.com/detail.php?main_product_id=111 >> > >> > or in the Gearwire walkthroughs (all hail google): >> > >> > http://www.gearwire.com/moog-moogerfooger-murf-guitar.html >> > >> > http://www.gearwire.com/moog-moogerfooger-murf-keyboard.html >> > >> > ? >> > >> > regards, >> > Steve B Subscape Annex http://www.subscapeannex.com/ >> >> >> >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 5 19:56:48 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 789AE3BF20; Tue, 5 Jun 2007 19:56:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Jens Wolters" To: Subject: AW: MOOG MF-105 MURF Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2007 21:56:45 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 In-Reply-To: <49859B23-FEA0-4D04-8C46-7F26519A4766@gmail.com> Thread-Index: Acenq4xkOtOa2HDISu6VBId+iIeS6wAAA0hg Message-Id: <20070605195647.B1D3D3BEC7@arsenic.violacea.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70848 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2007 19:56:48 +0000 (UTC) No it is not a ring modular at all. It is more like a step sequencer. -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- Von: Nathan van Heynsbergen [mailto:nathanvanheynsbergen@gmail.com]=20 Gesendet: Dienstag, 5. Juni 2007 21:56 An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Betreff: Re: MOOG MF-105 MURF is it allso a ringmodulator? thought the mf101 did that only. gr. nathan Op 5-jun-2007, om 5:14 heeft Mark Trewella het volgende geschreven: > Yea I got one! It is NASTY! Very versatile, its all about the > expression pedals really, becomes another instrument, I recently > played a show and needed my guitar to sound, well, not like a guitar, > I used to expression pedals, one for frequency and another for LFO > amount, I would randomly figit with the LFO rate with my feet and > bring the pulse of it in and out with the pedal. Its pretty out of > this world. Definitely the best ring mod out there, have played quite > a few, glad I own this one. > > On 6/3/07, jenswolters@gebaeude7.de wrote: >> Hi, >> >> I was wondering if they are any VST plugins that sound like that ? >> It is really a great piece of gear. But 420 euro is extremly =20 >> expensive >> I think. >> >> Greetings Jens >> >> > On Sun, 3 Jun 2007, Jens Wolters wrote: >> > >> >> Has anybody played one of these? >> > >> > I doubt I'm the only one here, but I've had one of these since they >> > were released, along with its bass-optimized relative the =20 >> MF-105B. What >> > did you want to know that's not on the Moog page >> > >> > http://www.moogmusic.com/detail.php?main_product_id=3D111 >> > >> > or in the Gearwire walkthroughs (all hail google): >> > >> > http://www.gearwire.com/moog-moogerfooger-murf-guitar.html >> > >> > http://www.gearwire.com/moog-moogerfooger-murf-keyboard.html >> > >> > ? >> > >> > regards, >> > Steve B Subscape Annex http://www.subscapeannex.com/ >> >> >> >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 5 19:58:39 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3392B3BF0F; Tue, 5 Jun 2007 19:58:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=hljT5kxtmZWFPSdUAseUedwv9SzWG426rEqKkaleV+Fs5QdhkxKk4ImMi5AIyINgO3o3OUwyXr52Hj2naY0XceBgHlPLYVmHjOYmD5lvvRwwz0Vup2NmG7H8IwDihHOP0HA7oGSR3O+k9duybv43Nn2EMwhw6FE3tkR3Wn0og2Y= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=X6nftOx1oYxfQjF6UGfEPBcDgq/Wjd9rfy7ICa+TNKQt7Igivug/lp4cM0MFCcLE0qRRg01XrUuJw+2/OICI+M7zcQ86Jd+aYrHOhWQ1D49ZlTGNkVFqqHSZboYAxP2og7wZjm0afEuQF4J1nVe5jOr0j5Xoj5k/NFHSnZDbelE= Message-ID: Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2007 12:58:37 -0700 From: "Neil Goldstein" Sender: swamilove@gmail.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: the best.... the worst.... In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_26290_20572576.1181073517235" References: X-Google-Sender-Auth: 75036531f227d4dc Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70849 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2007 19:58:38 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_26290_20572576.1181073517235 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Best: don't need to depend on anybody else Worst: loneliness of the solo looper ------=_Part_26290_20572576.1181073517235 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Best: don't need to depend on anybody else

Worst: loneliness of the solo looper
------=_Part_26290_20572576.1181073517235-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 5 19:58:50 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E6A7F3BF24; Tue, 5 Jun 2007 19:58:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: midifriedchicken@comcast.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Sync drift with EDP. Causes? Solutions? Date: Tue, 05 Jun 2007 19:58:48 +0000 Message-Id: <060520071958.22324.4665C07800085690000057342216525806020A050C07080C0B0A079D00070B0703@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Oct 4 2006) X-Authenticated-Sender: bWlkaWZyaWVkY2hpY2tlbkBjb21jYXN0Lm5ldA== MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_22324_1181073528_0" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70850 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2007 19:58:50 +0000 (UTC) --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_22324_1181073528_0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I can see the global start point pulsing. It does not correct itself, hence the drift -------------- Original message -------------- From: "CV" > no it doesnt sync it drifts... > > can you see a global start point led pulsing > > does the edp do sync correction ? > > Claude > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2007 7:41 PM > Subject: Re: Sync drift with EDP. Causes? Solutions? > > > In. It is syncing, it just drifts. > > -------------- Original message -------------- > From: "Claude Voit" > > > tell us your sync setting so we dont have to guess > > > > Claude > > > > > > > > Using a brand new EDP with the latest software. Trying to sync to a Yamaha > > DD55 or Ableton, seems to drift after about 24 bars. Any thoughts on why > > or > > how to solve the issue? > > Thanks > > > > > --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_22324_1181073528_0 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
I can see the global start point pulsing.

It does not correct itself, hence the drift

-------------- Original message --------------
From: "CV" <c.voit@vtx.ch>

> no it doesnt sync it drifts...
>
> can you see a global start point led pulsing
>
> does the edp do sync correction ?
>
> Claude
> ----- Original Message -----
> From:
> To:
> Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2007 7:41 PM
> Subject: Re: Sync drift with EDP. Causes? Solutions?
>
>
> In. It is syncing, it just drifts.
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: "Claude Voit"
>
> > tell us your sync setting so we dont have to guess
> >
> > Claude
> >
> >
> >
> > Using a brand new EDP with the latest software. Trying to sync to a Yamaha
> > DD55 or Ableton, seems to drift after about 24 bars. Any thoughts on why
> > or
> > how to solve the issue?
> > Thanks
> >
> >
>
--NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_22324_1181073528_0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 5 19:59:17 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DA37E3BF24; Tue, 5 Jun 2007 19:59:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: midifriedchicken@comcast.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Sync drift with EDP. Causes? Solutions? Date: Tue, 05 Jun 2007 19:59:15 +0000 Message-Id: <060520071959.24045.4665C093000413EE00005DED2216525806020A050C07080C0B0A079D00070B0703@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Oct 4 2006) X-Authenticated-Sender: bWlkaWZyaWVkY2hpY2tlbkBjb21jYXN0Lm5ldA== MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_24045_1181073555_0" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70851 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2007 19:59:17 +0000 (UTC) --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_24045_1181073555_0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Excellent cables. Thanks -------------- Original message -------------- From: Richard Sales > Using good cables? I've never used this setup you're using, but I > know cables for any sync stuff have to be good. Any drop out can cause > trouble. > > > Just a guess > > > Gadgetrichard sales > > 7373,7F7F,C5C5glassWing farm and studio > > vancouver island, b.c. > > 800.545.6846 > > 250.752.4816C3C3,9696,1C1C > > www.glassWing.com > > www.richardsales.com > > www.hayleysales.com > > www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com > > On 5-Jun-07, at 10:41 AM, midifriedchicken@comcast.net wrote: > > > In. It is syncing, it just drifts. > > > > -------------- Original message -------------- > > From: "Claude Voit" < > > > > tell us your sync setting so we dont have to guess > > > > > > Claude > > > > > > > > > > > > Using a brand new EDP with the latest software. Trying to sync to a > Yamaha > > > DD55 or Ableton, seems to drift after about 24 bars. Any thoughts on > why or > > > how to solve the issue? > > > Thanks > > > > > > --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_24045_1181073555_0 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Excellent cables. Thanks

-------------- Original message --------------
From: Richard Sales <richard@glasswing.com>

> Using good cables? I've never used this setup you're using, but I
> know cables for any sync stuff have to be good. Any drop out can cause
> trouble.
>
>
> Just a guess
>
>
> Gadgetrichard sales
>
> 7373,7F7F,C5C5glassWing farm and studio
>
> vancouver island, b.c.
>
> 800.545.6846
>
> 250.752.4816C3C3,9696,1C1C
>
> www.glassWing.com
>
> www.richardsales.com
>
> www.hayleysales.com
>
> www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com
>
> On 5-Jun-07, at 10:41 AM, midifriedchicken@comcast.net wrote:
>
>
> In. It is syncing, it just drifts.
>
>
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
>
> From: "Claude Voit" <
>
>
> > tell us your sync setting so we dont have to guess
>
> >
>
> > Claude
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > Using a brand new EDP with the latest software. Trying to sync to a
> Yamaha
>
> > DD55 or Ableton, seems to drift after about 24 bars. Any thoughts on
> why or
>
> > how to solve the issue?
>
> > Thanks
>
> >
>
> >
--NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_24045_1181073555_0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 5 19:59:39 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D084C3BF1A; Tue, 5 Jun 2007 19:59:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: midifriedchicken@comcast.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Sync drift with EDP. Causes? Solutions? Date: Tue, 05 Jun 2007 19:59:38 +0000 Message-Id: <060520071959.25663.4665C0AA000CFCA90000643F2216525806020A050C07080C0B0A079D00070B0703@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Oct 4 2006) X-Authenticated-Sender: bWlkaWZyaWVkY2hpY2tlbkBjb21jYXN0Lm5ldA== MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_25663_1181073578_0" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70852 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2007 19:59:39 +0000 (UTC) --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_25663_1181073578_0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Nope. Just playing. Thanks -------------- Original message -------------- From: "Doug Cox" are you staying in Overdub the whole time? the EDP won't re-trigger and stay in sync when it's constantly in Overdub. On 6/5/07, Richard Sales < richard@glasswing.com> wrote: Using good cables? I've never used this setup you're using, but I know cables for any sync stuff have to be good. Any drop out can cause trouble. Just a guess richard sales glassWing farm and studio vancouver island, b.c. 800.545.6846 250.752.4816 www.glassWing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com On 5-Jun-07, at 10:41 AM, midifriedchicken@comcast.net wrote: > In. It is syncing, it just drifts. > >> -------------- Original message -------------- >> From: "Claude Voit" >> >> > tell us your sync setting so we dont have to guess >> > >> > Claude >> > >> > >> > >> > Using a brand new EDP with the latest software. Trying to sync to a >> Yamaha >> > DD55 or Ableton, seems to drift after about 24 bars. Any thoughts >> on why or >> > how to solve the issue? >> > Thanks >> > >> > --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_25663_1181073578_0 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Nope. Just playing. Thanks

-------------- Original message --------------
From: "Doug Cox" <uncledig@gmail.com>
are you staying in Overdub the whole time? the EDP won't re-trigger and stay in sync when it's constantly in Overdub.

On 6/5/07, Richard Sales < richard@glasswing.com> wrote:
Using good cables?  I've never used this setup you're using, but I know
cables for any sync stuff have to be good. Any drop out can cause
trouble.

Just a guess

richard sales
glassWing farm and studio
vancouver island, b.c.
800.545.6846
250.752.4816
www.glassWing.com
www.richardsales.com
www.hayleysales.com
www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com
On 5-Jun-07, at 10:41 AM, midifriedchicken@comcast.net wrote:

> In. It is syncing, it just drifts.
>
>> -------------- Original message --------------
>> From: "Claude Voit" <c.voit@ vtx.ch>
>>
>> > tell us your sync setting so we dont have to guess
>> >
>> > Claude
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Using a brand new EDP with the latest software. Trying to sync to a
>> Yamaha
>> > DD55 or Ableton, seems to drift after about 24 bars. Any thoughts
>> on why or
>> > how to solve the issue?
>> > Thanks
>> >
>> >

--NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_25663_1181073578_0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 5 20:31:19 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D9E9E3BF2A; Tue, 5 Jun 2007 20:31:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Tue, 05 Jun 2007 16:31:17 -0400 From: Warren Sirota Subject: Report from EM-2007 In-reply-to: <002001c7a79e$1ae90a60$4001a8c0@mini> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <04dd01c7a7b0$7884cbc0$0402a8c0@macbookxp> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Thread-index: Acennh3NPxaRLS5/SCynN1Wz+lX2AAAATB1w References: <060520071741.23412.4665A064000A244C00005B742216527966020A050C07080C0B0A079D00070B0703@comcast.net> <002001c7a79e$1ae90a60$4001a8c0@mini> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70853 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2007 20:31:19 +0000 (UTC) Hi, I just came back from Electro-Music 2007 in the northern Philadelphia suburb of Cheltenham. It was a great deal of fun, and there was a lot of live looping involved in many of the sets, although mine was the only set *built* around it. Kevin Kissinger, used a fair amount of it in his virtuosic Theremin set, and the several other guitarists (most notably Kurt Michaels from Chicago, who played very expressively, and Mike Hunter from the improvisational sextet - as I recall - Brainstatik) used what I assume was unsynced looping to good effect. I'm sure there was a lot of other looping going on in groups. And, of course, lots of people were playing canned loops. But aside from that... The group Spinning Plates used a common sync track and a click in their ears for tightness, so they did pick a tempo/tempos before playing, but still used looping quite spontaneously to excellent effect. In fact, they were pretty much my favorite act of the weekend, mixing electronic techniques with some virtuosic skills on drums, electronic wind, and guitar (as well as having a video artist as a member of the group, which produced, to my mind, notably better-integrated imagery than any other group had). There was a lot of noize (is that the current hip spelling?), some of it looped, no doubt. I learned the difference between "dark ambient noize" and "power noise", and I believe there's an "extreme noise" too. As long as it's not damaging my ears, I can get into it. I learned the term "noizician" from Spike, aka Astrogenic Hallucinauting, whose set I really enjoyed. The facility and lineup were excellent. The age spread was vast, but the gender divide was, if possible, even more pronounced than Y2K6. It was noon-midnight over 3 days, with half-hour (for solo artists) or 3/4-hour (some groups) slots going almost constantly, as well as a jam room upstairs and a demo room, both going round-the-clock. Constant activity, lotsa good talk, lotsa new friends. I had trouble with the constant neo-psychedelic video backdrops. They were cool (and even stunning) in and of themselves, but by the third day I was really sick of them (I think there were two or three video artists doing the whole festival, so the visuals did not seem as diverse as the music), and in fact found them to detract seriously from the music. I had to close my eyes through a number of sets. I was the only artist to refuse a video backdrop, and I was glad I did. I think for those whose approach is less performance-oriented than mine, the videos were OK, but IMHO the other artists would be well-advised to think more carefully about the way they allow themselves to be presented. Anyway, that and the lack of air conditioning in a couple of the spaces were my only criticisms of an otherwise great festival. Loopers should consider this one as a viable venue, I believe. Warren From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 5 20:33:57 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 29AB03BF2D; Tue, 5 Jun 2007 20:33:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <56448.167.83.10.20.1181075626.squirrel@www.michaelplishka.com> In-Reply-To: <060520071959.25663.4665C0AA000CFCA90000643F2216525806020A050C07080C0B 0A079D00070B0703@comcast.net> References: <060520071959.25663.4665C0AA000CFCA90000643F2216525806020A050C07080C0B0A079D00070B0703@comcast.net> Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2007 16:33:46 -0400 (EDT) Subject: An EDP analog From: mike@michaelplishka.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.9a MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - server316.tchmachines.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [32166 32167] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - michaelplishka.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70854 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2007 20:33:57 +0000 (UTC) I've been playing the EDP and love it (and use it more than the Rang now) but this is the question. I find that I primarily use the EDP for simple type looping making 1 or 2 loops, switching between them on a song, simple multiplying of shorter loops, changing feedback on loops. The longest loops I play are usually around 30 to 40 seconds. All switching done with feet live on stage. Is there something that does everything I listed but doesn't have as many other things as the EDP? I don't use MIDI at all. 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Please reply back with this email address if intrested ( oscarstephen300@yahoo.com .Please call( 00234-80-20689074) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 5 20:49:48 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 02FE23BF29; Tue, 5 Jun 2007 20:49:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-priority:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=Fue21RAL3MKc8FjndgXB8bb1Socg4mp3KBo9feGZnycca1fc5ojVfE6rJe1ej0m0/gG97ihc/sklUn9iyICMWKfE+qWRY1zSRgEa4c4Sr8vQpV8OXHkCmtyumehHhNVgXKMdGEoTAcJAS8foOnhPFQ3eEi3jGhcUJJuVvA8MPNI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-priority:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=Ri2P0P8/j0Em3jop8YsiK3ZvhAGOEi+skBO2meO566TilL3lIs9dSEu8qvCEYUAHuNA4eWULIHKYwHXlzwGuR2j8SX4BBGutI09kwBQ9CD4VDcK514YnXWSzIbrGcGGSFIMAfdBIs7jd4XqPkTvNsCJ9+sJGxbkZMi+Qqa7R/9k= In-Reply-To: <56448.167.83.10.20.1181075626.squirrel@www.michaelplishka.com> References: <060520071959.25663.4665C0AA000CFCA90000643F2216525806020A050C07080C0B0A079D00070B0703@comcast.net> <56448.167.83.10.20.1181075626.squirrel@www.michaelplishka.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <5F3AA2C0-EE4B-41EC-ADDC-43D66D3A7907@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: An EDP analog Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2007 22:49:40 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70855 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2007 20:49:48 +0000 (UTC) On 5 jun 2007, at 22.33, mike@michaelplishka.com wrote: > I've been playing the EDP and love it (and use it more than the > Rang now) > but this is the question. > > I find that I primarily use the EDP for simple type looping making > 1 or 2 > loops, switching between them on a song, simple multiplying of shorter > loops, changing feedback on loops. The longest loops I play are > usually > around 30 to 40 seconds. All switching done with feet live on stage. > > Is there something that does everything I listed but doesn't have > as many > other things as the EDP? I tested a Boss RC-50 for a while and it could do switching between up to three linear loops. Feedback and Multiply is not directly supported but can be achieved if you bridge SubOuts with AuxIns (see old archive post on this). > I don't use MIDI at all. Yes. What you're doing is perfectly within reach for the standard analog EDP pedal. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://www.myspace.com/looproom http://www.jamendo.com/en/artist/per.boysen/ http://www.jamendo.com/en/artist/lo.fi.lazer/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 5 23:29:04 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 642013BF1B; Tue, 5 Jun 2007 23:29:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 383046.4446.bm@rrr4.mail.re1.yahoo.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=YL3fv6Xs8xSxq06i6APNbOxxrDUF+YrrQGy+PYk/aODdWaGpsvSBCBTh+iWe+doQxtY2CoTTzfFtewfrfqn35+0jDB3CgDkbG7Pm4r8AlEOO1CXRlWI5bd6GRYQwBLfpZOUlWRUwXlVjGTCONtNML8hSl9ZrgyU8PX8dbvoGslI=; X-YMail-OSG: cn.hUKcVM1mAYC6VtMcFVFJmTrQ6mz1enQoKOChTFIhBbMiuYubcCf_0lOQfeDlnr64NXf.JBni8ybBzc1JP2hsan8_OJs3Ni_yeSCVQj2A93HGhbDh_HIHPjpMi Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2007 16:22:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Tim Nelson Subject: OT, but peripherally loopesque To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <848518.22450.qm@web43141.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: <_g0E4D.A.efC._GfZGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70856 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2007 23:29:04 +0000 (UTC) On the Rotosound site , they've got short samples of what each of their bass string sets sound like. I just discovered that if you click on one before the previous one has finished, they will layer and play simultaneously. Triggering the same one right on the beat, you can get a little canon thing going. (With the Solo Bass 55 sample it was sorta Steve Reich meets Bootsy...) -t- http://www.myspace.com/nimbletunes http://cdbaby.com/all/timnelson ____________________________________________________________________________________ Got a little couch potato? Check out fun summer activities for kids. http://search.yahoo.com/search?fr=oni_on_mail&p=summer+activities+for+kids&cs=bz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 6 00:18:56 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 64F423BF24; Wed, 6 Jun 2007 00:18:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at cavesofice.org Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2007 20:19:02 -0400 (EDT) From: burnett@pobox.com X-X-Sender: badger@giggles.cavesofice.org To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Subscape Annex playing this Saturday, Chapel Hill NC Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <1__NN.A.MxF.v1fZGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70857 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2007 00:18:56 +0000 (UTC) I'll be playing improvisational ambient/industrial looping Chapman Stick this Saturday in Chapel Hill. Details in links below. June 9th, @ 9 PM, at the Philbog http://myspace.com/thephilbog (in reverse order of performance) Woman's Worth - Free jazz from Los Angeles http://www.myspace.com/davemustainepresentswomansworth The Puttys - Free rock from St. Louis Missouri http://www.myspace.com/theputtys Subscape Annex - ambient/industrial http://www.subscapeannex.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 6 01:17:19 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8D1BA3BF2C; Wed, 6 Jun 2007 01:17:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=SwIjdDCy30QG0Xdz4DfmgupSz9ZNvqp9l7Wy3TDa7cOLVp02QWxrf5qhrXxon7kDWRZ9MxMT1RhcZKlfVfdJza6L58CM27n9MA1KJ1Hi1ohG7z6M6ZwEkbKwjaqUO6GD7LU6m8+pu1U+e3XZXZ/IlX5JX0cE/lg2OrmEmxtbnZQ=; X-YMail-OSG: 3kh.rb8VM1ljbhKZt_E0q6RxWg6lA103ZMVj6j.3Tn8zWnmI2PeXIzLXgPWCawyw_A-- Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2007 18:17:17 -0700 (PDT) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: Re: Sync drift with EDP. Causes? Solutions? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <060520071741.23412.4665A064000A244C00005B742216527966020A050C07080C0B0A079D00070B0703@comcast.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <762628.99906.qm@web38609.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70858 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2007 01:17:19 +0000 (UTC) This happens to me as well when the EDP is the slave syncing it to an MPC1000,i have to often retrigger for it to get back and sync,otherwise as a master it stays tight. Luis --- midifriedchicken@comcast.net wrote: > In. It is syncing, it just drifts. > > -------------- Original message -------------- > From: "Claude Voit" > > > tell us your sync setting so we dont have to guess > > > > > Claude > > > > > > > > Using a brand new EDP with the latest software. > Trying to sync to a Yamaha > > DD55 or Ableton, seems to drift after about 24 > bars. Any thoughts on why or > > how to solve the issue? > > Thanks > > > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom ____________________________________________________________________________________ Need Mail bonding? Go to the Yahoo! Mail Q&A for great tips from Yahoo! Answers users. http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=list&sid=396546091 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 6 02:35:22 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7E2513BF0F; Wed, 6 Jun 2007 02:35:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=eDjBgRE+tTIitU7yPgMFi6rF2bcG/Z/RneVfxNuMk5znBZ/GyqJxBB6fM1GNGwT2RpYK4ivAv7sosRUW52a0595ymS47ZknmziAlyZ6KesiYA8CrA/iFwM14FKPFDpK9wK+Td2HlSBxUC2oVqvchiPjR8+O44yk2BZYmBG++yXg=; X-YMail-OSG: ljEz2gYVM1mL7qvEGm3qZm.W2jO2XKwdn7sTPOhdsCqhY1ejyCD2iU1hHo2jJOF1I4L_X4EGJrLbRDsnmqgYc9WNYGiUsH_6ixQ7FbM841cTmzIeziw- Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2007 19:35:20 -0700 (PDT) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: RE: POST YOUR SETUP To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <13788.64624.qm@web38605.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70859 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2007 02:35:22 +0000 (UTC) Hey Max, the D-tar seems like a nifty little box! Was it complicated doing the jamman update? i heard you have to also do hardware updates... Cheers and thanx for sharing Luis > >>>>Custom modified LEXICON JAM MAN: with Bob > Sellon's latest OS. Does a great number of > functions not in the original JamBoy (mutilple > serial/parallel loops, fades in and out of > indiividual channels, stereo placement of loops, > mutiple loop lengths...), barely resembles the > original. At times I use an EDP with Loop IV, but, > for some reason prefer the JamMan.>>> > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom ____________________________________________________________________________________ Choose the right car based on your needs. Check out Yahoo! 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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 6 10:32:11 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E84C33BEF9; Wed, 6 Jun 2007 10:32:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=RdgLc8hgqUhUcSM96tQN+4ntdKRLGRaMmCJxnmcVkp6ktF+gAZJOiTPo+vyYQtn2gdNxrPDDWv6RU7JGXXoF6YhH3lHMeCcuhDmlDScwSfVLFObnjJFrX5/RYLKirx2h38qyHgQuqyWlmjApa4j9+T4EXjNA/w25gUfxZBkQc6c= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=ABah3gZB173qIqHUBuQu+8ZHatp+z88UEDE5qVT14SivblsHzs7dgVzOGIBOodanxDJ/huo2a8Aw7eNVQt4aOyUrhpjQ154JhzEyDJaoXAYqJGW0dXzkGqTsBsomntsDqQKa2V9C2Cw11aThMiaurbFb5Lvg3L4ylq8CQvhZ8Qc= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <762628.99906.qm@web38609.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <762628.99906.qm@web38609.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <9506AC67-C14F-4108-9340-A45EC2D68BB7@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Sync drift with EDP. Causes? Solutions? Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2007 12:32:05 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70860 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2007 10:32:10 +0000 (UTC) Some related questions for the skilled EDP Engineers on this list: I mostly run the EDP as the MIDI Clock sync master and never noticed any drift among the slaves. Does this mean the sync issue during Overdub Mode is not affecting MIDI Clock output? When I have been syncing the EDP to other devices I have used Beat Sync or Brother Sync, but I have not noticed andy drift under these protocols. Is the Overdub Mode drift happening here as well, or is it a MIDI Clock only issue? Per On 6 jun 2007, at 03.17, L.A. Angulo wrote: > This happens to me as well when the EDP is the slave > syncing it to an MPC1000,i have to often retrigger > for it to get back and sync,otherwise as a master it > stays tight. > Luis > > > > --- midifriedchicken@comcast.net wrote: > >> In. It is syncing, it just drifts. >> >> -------------- Original message -------------- >> From: "Claude Voit" >> >>> tell us your sync setting so we dont have to guess >>> >>> Claude > --- midifriedchicken@comcast.net wrote: >>> Using a brand new EDP with the latest software. >> Trying to sync to a Yamaha >>> DD55 or Ableton, seems to drift after about 24 >> bars. Any thoughts on why or >>> how to solve the issue? >>> Thanks From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 6 14:29:17 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 41BD43BEE9; Wed, 6 Jun 2007 14:29:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: midifriedchicken@comcast.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Sync drift with EDP. Causes? Solutions? Date: Wed, 06 Jun 2007 14:29:13 +0000 Message-Id: <060620071429.18377.4666C4B90005AD5E000047C92216551406020A050C07080C0B0A079D00070B0703@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Oct 4 2006) X-Authenticated-Sender: bWlkaWZyaWVkY2hpY2tlbkBjb21jYXN0Lm5ldA== MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_18377_1181140153_0" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70861 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2007 14:29:17 +0000 (UTC) --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_18377_1181140153_0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hmm, as far as sync protocal, as I understand it, if Im using midi, it is by default, midi clock. The other methods are for older equipment or to sync to another edp. I have the sync parameter set to "IN". The 8ths/Cycle set to "8". The Midi out of the Drum machine/Ableton is connected to the midi in of the EDP. Cables are excellent. Not in Overdub. Thanks -------------- Original message -------------- From: Per Boysen > > >> > Using a brand new EDP with the latest software. Trying to sync > > to a > > >> Yamaha > > >> > DD55 or Ableton, seems to drift after about 24 bars. Any thoughts > > >> on why or > > >> > how to solve the issue? > > >> > Thanks > > > Please tell us the details. It's hard help when you have to guess ;-)) > What are your sync settings? (check settings at the front panel) > What sync protocol are you going with? (MIDI Clock, Beat Sync or > Brother Sync?) > > Please also note Doug's question about Overdub. Any EDP in Overdub > Mode will drift. > When you give the full story people on the list will be able to help > out. > > per > --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_18377_1181140153_0 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Hmm, as far as sync protocal, as I understand it, if Im using midi, it is by default, midi clock. The other methods are for older equipment or to sync to another edp. I have the sync parameter set to "IN". The 8ths/Cycle set to "8". The Midi out of the Drum machine/Ableton is connected to the midi in of the EDP. Cables are excellent. Not in Overdub.

Thanks

-------------- Original message --------------
From: Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com>

> > >> > Using a brand new EDP with the latest software. Trying to sync
> > to a
> > >> Yamaha
> > >> > DD55 or Ableton, seems to drift after about 24 bars. Any thoughts
> > >> on why or
> > >> > how to solve the issue?
> > >> > Thanks
>
>
> Please tell us the details. It's hard help when you have to guess ;-))
> What are your sync settings? (check settings at the front panel)
> What sync protocol are you going with? (MIDI Clock, Beat Sync or
> Brother Sync?)
>
> Please also note Doug's question about Overdub. Any EDP in Overdub
> Mode will drift.
> When you give the full story people on the list will be able to help
> out.
>
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--NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_18377_1181140153_0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 6 14:53:08 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2140E3BF00; Wed, 6 Jun 2007 14:53:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=TSyJfifF6RdCRGHpQde9+SuUHTkte3SnFCmzleYpgD3v8KpZNzuW9Tixfc+KfMgYuCqWgKfu8XBaP8v0eU8cTfAo7px+CLtq6hc3zKh9P3x8ywEm9yPovl+gWb4f6svFpCfuCCUj/mfX3Xf0quIKFm4q21DsLuKvlxKH4LAZagY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=ShkesQliyiFDbHUzvJGCZXQf+hBatxO3aAVwHjodq8JPqBDzZ6lOcWoEnRw4MG7li8JfgbrkDu3iLYzEn6CnUd51hvXVCYeGwcyjbqvVezvpD6lJGfUY4CC3wk2Ir9Ji8BPXO3lt866BUlgEUtDw6F7L9tlp1M5NsU0Yu6i+60s= Message-ID: Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2007 09:52:59 -0500 From: "Doug Cox" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Sync drift with EDP. Causes? Solutions? In-Reply-To: <060620071429.18377.4666C4B90005AD5E000047C92216551406020A050C07080C0B0A079D00070B0703@comcast.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_46841_16671849.1181141579395" References: <060620071429.18377.4666C4B90005AD5E000047C92216551406020A050C07080C0B0A079D00070B0703@comcast.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70862 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2007 14:53:07 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_46841_16671849.1181141579395 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Maybe there's a hint in this: The Midi out of the Drum machine/Ableton is connected to the midi in of the > EDP > Are both the drum machine and Ableton sending separate but simultaneous MIDI clocks? Seems like this could easily confuse the EDP. There's also the real possibility that the clock coming from the drum machine is unstable. That could be the case for Live also, but I'd trust Per to tell us if he has any experience with an unstable clock coming out of Live? Doug ------=_Part_46841_16671849.1181141579395 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Maybe there's a hint in this:

The Midi out of the Drum machine/Ableton is connected to the midi in of the EDP

Are both the drum machine and Ableton sending separate but simultaneous MIDI clocks? Seems like this could easily confuse the EDP.

There's also the real possibility that the clock coming from the drum machine is unstable. That could be the case for Live also, but I'd trust Per to tell us if he has any experience with an unstable clock coming out of Live?

Doug
------=_Part_46841_16671849.1181141579395-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 6 15:33:16 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2E5B53BEF3; Wed, 6 Jun 2007 15:33:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: midifriedchicken@comcast.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Sync drift with EDP. Causes? Solutions? Date: Wed, 06 Jun 2007 15:33:14 +0000 Message-Id: <060620071533.20413.4666D3BA000616A500004FBD2216554886020A050C07080C0B0A079D00070B0703@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Oct 4 2006) X-Authenticated-Sender: bWlkaWZyaWVkY2hpY2tlbkBjb21jYXN0Lm5ldA== MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_20413_1181143994_0" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70863 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2007 15:33:16 +0000 (UTC) --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_20413_1181143994_0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sorry, I meant to imply the clock source was either the drum machine or Ableton, not both at the same time. I cant imagine the clock would be unstable. It runs the internal sequencer fine. Im stumped. -------------- Original message -------------- From: "Doug Cox" Maybe there's a hint in this: The Midi out of the Drum machine/Ableton is connected to the midi in of the EDP Are both the drum machine and Ableton sending separate but simultaneous MIDI clocks? Seems like this could easily confuse the EDP. There's also the real possibility that the clock coming from the drum machine is unstable. That could be the case for Live also, but I'd trust Per to tell us if he has any experience with an unstable clock coming out of Live? Doug --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_20413_1181143994_0 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Sorry, I meant to imply the clock source was either the drum machine or Ableton, not both at the same time. I cant imagine the clock would be unstable. It runs the internal sequencer fine.

Im stumped.

-------------- Original message --------------
From: "Doug Cox" <uncledig@gmail.com>
Maybe there's a hint in this:

The Midi out of the Drum machine/Ableton is connected to the midi in of the EDP

Are both the drum machine and Ableton sending separate but simultaneous MIDI clocks? Seems like this could easily confuse the EDP.

There's also the real possibility that the clock coming from the drum machine is unstable. That could be the case for Live also, but I'd trust Per to tell us if he has any experience with an unstable clock coming out of Live?

Doug
--NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_20413_1181143994_0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 6 15:38:19 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 73A333BEF5; Wed, 6 Jun 2007 15:38:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2007 10:38:18 -0500 (CDT) From: smaug@servidor.unam.mx X-X-Sender: smaug@localhost.localdomain To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: EDP for sale in Europe In-Reply-To: <060620071533.20413.4666D3BA000616A500004FBD2216554886020A050C07080C0B0A079D00070B0703@comcast.net> Message-ID: References: <060620071533.20413.4666D3BA000616A500004FBD2216554886020A050C07080C0B0A079D00070B0703@comcast.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70864 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2007 15:38:19 +0000 (UTC) Hi! once again, looking to sell my oberheim EDP with loop III, very good shape, pedal included. new price 550 Euros, located in Paris, France. Thank you in advance! Andy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 6 15:46:33 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3A1F33BF02; Wed, 6 Jun 2007 15:46:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=s85y/MS99/HdvxlNWWNlnRNkJCDvCA0Eg1C58wM7i6rDxCNQWDK6Dlcqo1FcndbwKmJLK6mLu0DLFeWFu4TEJBCGq2Fi4ZRGuExZQ1eMJVf7qmb2eF5/jMEhWrZaRavhRY+pXZ4wMjYl6mEGeaCsw3q+zqmxE9Z5vgNFGlsaiEk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=HUdJ4hY5RunMAobrzq2Rpl/GLl454oauuTs/K+0lQBGQGP1jsHIIgvt1qDU1pgHl4SCWOQ6oNtpeHspe478LUeAyMATy/fG1a6I4efksYUSazICAKu4JntwB00w0mZqVCzD0ksWmIecUbOu1Ytol0EpcRtYlmTfI3EXCeiyC7Cc= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: References: <060620071429.18377.4666C4B90005AD5E000047C92216551406020A050C07080C0B0A079D00070B0703@comcast.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Sync drift with EDP. Causes? Solutions? Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2007 17:46:28 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: <4MVxOC.A.w1D.YbtZGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70865 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2007 15:46:33 +0000 (UTC) On 6 jun 2007, at 16.52, Doug Cox wrote: > That could be the case for Live also, but I'd trust Per to tell us > if he has any experience with an unstable clock coming out of Live? Please let me elaborate! I have noticed that Live does send out a bed clock sync signal when Live itself is following some other sync master device. In my case I was using either the EDP or Mobius or Augustus Loop to provide the master MIDI Clock sync. But on the other hand, when Live is not syncing but only running by its own internal clock I have never had any problem with the sent out sync signal. I wish there was a way to have live sync to a signal while at the same time simply pass it on, as hardware boxes always have done - to their MIDI Through jack - but unfortunately it seem as Live needs to send out its own clock instead (which becomes flakey when in sync mode). I have not tested if this is still the case with Live 6 though, since I just recently upgraded. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://www.myspace.com/looproom http://www.jamendo.com/en/artist/per.boysen/ http://www.jamendo.com/en/artist/lo.fi.lazer/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 6 16:22:37 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EC13E3BEFC; Wed, 6 Jun 2007 16:22:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=cve1ik7zNqSBFJx58djPJZht89ZZgHkLt/2vzTZoD0q0ojcXPpNPyywlnpjbAFw77Sak2uZtLzUct0dUXpTj+DTiymSn//TJcjUrEzMkSfOKWDxuqmEZAXGWVwWcYDDFxhiGq3i6NU+muHB6E8UpyNR22FPG2j9yCWxsWeB23cY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=HeUEVIkq4a9TosahKQuEJMy9SeMpS7sAD6Owv+Y8BBLg4pEGs8hQ9MJBpnjvIXLtBzULcx7Kv7EkH+G6Y3RPX73kpKVpCjuqxpyh2y/AsGUo16L4yiirvdR6kLWfB4B2MCbdHeOFvq3aPSE/OidbT/TXw9Md1fYMD5DiOLzs8Fo= Message-ID: Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2007 11:22:34 -0500 From: "Doug Cox" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Sync drift with EDP. Causes? Solutions? In-Reply-To: <060620071533.20413.4666D3BA000616A500004FBD2216554886020A050C07080C0B0A079D00070B0703@comcast.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_48733_1967933.1181146954803" References: <060620071533.20413.4666D3BA000616A500004FBD2216554886020A050C07080C0B0A079D00070B0703@comcast.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70866 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2007 16:22:36 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_48733_1967933.1181146954803 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline I'm not necessarily a gnarled MIDI veteran, but I've seen enough devices send out wonky clocks (and other MIDI messages) that I wouldn't have such a hard time imagining it. Still, if you're seeing the same behavior with *either* Live or the DD55, the problem may lie elsewhere. Consistent with Per's response, when you send out the clock from Live, is Live the true sync master at that point, or is Live actually slaved to the drum machine? On 6/6/07, midifriedchicken@comcast.net wrote: > > Sorry, I meant to imply the clock source was either the drum machine or > Ableton, not both at the same time. I cant imagine the clock would be > unstable. It runs the internal sequencer fine. > Im stumped. > > > -------------- Original message -------------- > From: "Doug Cox" > Maybe there's a hint in this: > > The Midi out of the Drum machine/Ableton is connected to the midi in of > > the EDP > > > > Are both the drum machine and Ableton sending separate but simultaneous > MIDI clocks? Seems like this could easily confuse the EDP. > > There's also the real possibility that the clock coming from the drum > machine is unstable. That could be the case for Live also, but I'd trust > Per to tell us if he has any experience with an unstable clock coming out of > Live? > > Doug > > ------=_Part_48733_1967933.1181146954803 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline I'm not necessarily a gnarled MIDI veteran, but I've seen enough devices send out wonky clocks (and other MIDI messages) that I wouldn't have such a hard time imagining it. Still, if you're seeing the same behavior with *either* Live or the DD55, the problem may lie elsewhere.

Consistent with Per's response, when you send out the clock from Live, is Live the true sync master at that point, or is Live actually slaved to the drum machine?

On 6/6/07, midifriedchicken@comcast.net <midifriedchicken@comcast.net> wrote:

Sorry, I meant to imply the clock source was either the drum machine or Ableton, not both at the same time. I cant imagine the clock would be unstable. It runs the internal sequencer fine.

Im stumped.

-------------- Original message --------------
From: "Doug Cox" < uncledig@gmail.com>
Maybe there's a hint in this:

The Midi out of the Drum machine/Ableton is connected to the midi in of the EDP

Are both the drum machine and Ableton sending separate but simultaneous MIDI clocks? Seems like this could easily confuse the EDP.

There's also the real possibility that the clock coming from the drum machine is unstable. That could be the case for Live also, but I'd trust Per to tell us if he has any experience with an unstable clock coming out of Live?

Doug

------=_Part_48733_1967933.1181146954803-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 6 16:46:46 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0A3923BEFF; Wed, 6 Jun 2007 16:46:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=O/KNIql+MzNe/lzp0RM05Hi/RmNQh7veFk3vzt46Bef2/j8KP0Va9eNoExMW6HLIERBbk49aGD7CCRXA+kE0BiqVQCPKVzKLT2E7PQ2ACi64WpEMI3UfpXb7MzXfGZaodUomN94T7NjRMH5iqwZRYZPmieR1ut3RLTEdKXRJhdo=; X-YMail-OSG: _EWUl3kVM1niOO04W_knw3c.sRZUBJAi9705hIB0epdchCwMQxpqNstM7d65woEGHq42f1vsHxUXri47tIl5OGvWVXONYVp0mPTmb6ls7cEKbuf3Khql.mOC6TreU5.pbFQ3xNuq7Ab0FloCD3UMEq9UlA-- Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2007 09:46:45 -0700 (PDT) From: dragan capor Subject: "melon cucumber headphone remix" by dc 4 defrostMusic To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <149916.22262.qm@web52702.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: <2ohL5D.A.QTB.1TuZGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70867 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2007 16:46:45 +0000 (UTC) hey guys, sorry for multiple and cross posting... I did a remix of nin song "Only" (With Teeth).i thought it'd be a good idea to share it! :-) There are many special "guests"... have fun, dc ps. here is the link: http://www.ninremixes.com/index.php?squery=dc&search=Search ____________________________________________________________________________________ Pinpoint customers who are looking for what you sell. http://searchmarketing.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 6 17:51:00 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7953F3BF0B; Wed, 6 Jun 2007 17:51:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <28df01c7a863$36f7b2e0$e701a8c0@pcfabio> Reply-To: "e t e r o g e n e o" From: "e t e r o g e n e o" To: Subject: Looper's Delight Community Podcast Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2007 19:50:47 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_28DC_01C7A873.F9F88E30" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Spam-Rating: smtp5.aruba.it 1.6.2 0/1000/N Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70868 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2007 17:51:00 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_28DC_01C7A873.F9F88E30 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi people,=20 sorry for the delay, the LD podcast has sleeped for a while... I've just upload 2 nice songs from Nic Roozembum - frippesque style - = that i strongly raccomend. Others songs will come sooner. fabio www.eterogeneo.com ------=_NextPart_000_28DC_01C7A873.F9F88E30 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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------=_NextPart_000_28DC_01C7A873.F9F88E30-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 6 18:00:39 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F39F83BEDD; Wed, 6 Jun 2007 18:00:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <57518.65.160.58.240.1181152828.squirrel@webmail.helpwantedproductions.com> Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2007 11:00:28 -0700 (PDT) Subject: FS: Vintage Roland G33 and GR33B analog bass synthesizer.. From: legion@helpwantedproductions.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, analogue@hyperreal.org User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.9a MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70869 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2007 18:00:38 +0000 (UTC) Here are full pictures and a description of all the items: http://www.helpwantedproductions.com/ebay/gr33b.htm I am continuing to sell off some of my high end items. next on the block is my uber rare oringal Roland G33 Bass and GR33b floor unit. This is the bass brother to the popular Blue GR300 guitar synthesizer made famous by Fripp, Andy Summers, etc etc. The G33 is extrodinarily rare and is a beautiful made in Japan fender type body full scale neck through bass. Comes with OHSC and has active pickups for an amazingly punchy sound. These were made by Ibanez and this one was manufactured in 1981. Controls for filter, LFO, fuzz, etc as well as both active pickups and balance, etc. 1/4" out and 24 pin jack for connection to the GR33b floor unit. The bass can play any of the following units: GR33b, GR300, GR100, GR700, GR77b. The floor unit can be played by any of the GR303,505,33,77, etc units. So if you have a guitar or a florr unti already you could mix and match. The Floor unit is the original all analog The GR33b analog Bass Synthesizer floor unit (brother to the Roland GR300) It has one internal tracking VCO and two additional pitch settings for adding adjustable 5ths, etc up or down in pitch to the fundamental. Filter, LFO (with delay - this is unique to the GR33b, the GR300 does not have this), Envelope follower settings with patching to filter, VCA, etc. All knobs all the time, with inputs for CV control (you can use any passive CV pedal to sweep the filter making it a wah type unit etc.) I also have a 15' (I think maybe 10") 24 pin GK1 cable which I will include FREE if someone buys both units and for a modest price if they buy just the bass. PRICE: I am asking $1400 for the Bass with original HSC, GR33b floor units, *and* the GK1 cable. I will consider selling the bass and floor unit separately but will NOT sell the GK1 without the bass. Asking price is $800 for the GR33b and $750 for the bass. The cable is $150 extra with the bass if you want it. I believe these prices to be very fair given the market for these items (the ones i have seen have sold for higher) but I will listen to SERIOUS offers if you send a phone # and are prepared to buy the unit ASAP. Preference will go to a complete sale and local purchases. Trades for banana jack modular gear by Serge, Modcan, Cyndustries considered as well. I understand these are not toy items nor are they toy prices so I will do my best to answer any questions from serious buyers. I have over a decade of good references and pleanty of Eb*y and other feedback. I look forward to hearing from interested buyers and am posting here first and then the 'net at large. Thanks for your time. ------------------------------------------------ Weird, Scary, and Beautiful Music and Art: Http://www.HelpWantedProductions.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 6 18:19:42 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 279873BEFE; Wed, 6 Jun 2007 18:19:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <57518.65.160.58.240.1181152828.squirrel@webmail.helpwantedproductions.com> References: <57518.65.160.58.240.1181152828.squirrel@webmail.helpwantedproductions.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-4-983315088 Message-Id: From: Richard Sales Subject: Re: FS: Vintage Roland G33 and GR33B analog bass synthesizer.. Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2007 11:19:37 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Resent-Message-ID: <5MTb-D.A.cOB.9qvZGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70870 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2007 18:19:42 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-4-983315088 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed I don't know about the G33, but I can speak for the GR 300/303/808 - IT ROCKS like El Capitan. I know the GR guitars are made by Ibanez and they're quite nice. If you play bass and you wanna go 'outside'... this is a doorway. No vested interest - just love of the old Roland guitar synth's richard sales glassWing farm and studio vancouver island, b.c. 800.545.6846 250.752.4816 www.glassWing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com On 6-Jun-07, at 11:00 AM, legion@helpwantedproductions.com wrote: > Here are full pictures and a description of all the items: > http://www.helpwantedproductions.com/ebay/gr33b.htm > > I am continuing to sell off some of my high end items. next on the > block > is my uber rare oringal Roland G33 Bass and GR33b floor unit. This is > the > bass brother to the popular Blue GR300 guitar synthesizer made famous > by > --Apple-Mail-4-983315088 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=US-ASCII I don't know about the G33, but I can speak for the GR 300/303/808 - IT ROCKS like El Capitan. I know the GR guitars are made by Ibanez and they're quite nice. If you play bass and you wanna go 'outside'... this is a doorway. No vested interest - just love of the old Roland guitar synth's Gadgetrichard sales 7373,7F7F,C5C5glassWing farm and studio vancouver island, b.c. 800.545.6846 250.752.4816C3C3,9696,1C1C www.glassWing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com On 6-Jun-07, at 11:00 AM, legion@helpwantedproductions.com wrote: Here are full pictures and a description of all the items: http://www.helpwantedproductions.com/ebay/gr33b.htm I am continuing to sell off some of my high end items. next on the block is my uber rare oringal Roland G33 Bass and GR33b floor unit. This is the bass brother to the popular Blue GR300 guitar synthesizer made famous by --Apple-Mail-4-983315088-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 6 19:32:31 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A9E123BEE1; Wed, 6 Jun 2007 19:32:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <26435.65.160.58.240.1181158349.squirrel@webmail.helpwantedproductions.com> In-Reply-To: References: <57518.65.160.58.240.1181152828.squirrel@webmail.helpwantedproductions.com> Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2007 12:32:29 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: FS: Vintage Roland G33 and GR33B analog bass synthesizer.. From: legion@helpwantedproductions.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, analogue@hyperreal.org User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.9a MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <0VNvPD.A.XtH.PvwZGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70871 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2007 19:32:31 +0000 (UTC) indeed :) Here is a little ditty I recorded with a pickup band in the studio. All the analog sweeps, notes, and buzzes are the G33/GR33b 100% live - not a keyboard or synthesizer. The pads and FX are a K2000 and I'm playing the Roland "808" EDrum kit :) http://www.helpwantedproductions.com/Choking_the_Electronic_Cymbal.mp3 D_ > I don't know about the G33, but I can speak for the GR 300/303/808 - IT > ROCKS like El Capitan. I know the GR guitars are made by Ibanez and > they're quite nice. If you play bass and you wanna go 'outside'... > this is a doorway. > > No vested interest - just love of the old Roland guitar synth's >> Here are full pictures and a description of all the items: >> http://www.helpwantedproductions.com/ebay/gr33b.htm >> >> I am continuing to sell off some of my high end items. next on the >> block is my uber rare oringal Roland G33 Bass and GR33b floor unit. >> This is the bass brother to the popular Blue GR300 guitar synthesizer -- ------------------------------------------------ Weird, Scary, and Beautiful Music and Art: Http://www.HelpWantedProductions.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 6 19:39:08 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4311A3BEE6; Wed, 6 Jun 2007 19:39:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com In-Reply-To: <26435.65.160.58.240.1181158349.squirrel@webmail.helpwantedproductions.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Repeater attenuation question MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 6.5.3 September 14, 2004 Message-ID: From: Matthew_Quinn@vrtx.com Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2007 15:38:51 -0400 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on BOS01MAIL01/M/BOS1/VRTX(Release 7.0.2FP1|January 10, 2007) at 06/06/2007 03:38:55 PM, Serialize complete at 06/06/2007 03:38:55 PM, Itemize by SMTP Server on BOS01HUB/H/BOS1/VRTX(Release 7.0.2|September 26, 2006) at 06/06/2007 03:38:54 PM, Serialize by Router on BOS01HUB/H/BOS1/VRTX(Release 7.0.2|September 26, 2006) at 06/06/2007 03:38:59 PM, Serialize complete at 06/06/2007 03:38:59 PM, Itemize by SMTP Server on BOS1MX/VRTXSMTP(Release 7.0.2|September 26, 2006) at 06/06/2007 03:42:24 PM, Serialize by Router on BOS1MX/VRTXSMTP(Release 7.0.2|September 26, 2006) at 06/06/2007 03:42:31 PM, Serialize complete at 06/06/2007 03:42:31 PM Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=_alternative 006BED85852572F2_=" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70872 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2007 19:39:08 +0000 (UTC) This is a multipart message in MIME format. --=_alternative 006BED85852572F2_= Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Hello all, been unsubscribed for a long time, but the new Repeater OS has me wondering about something. In the past I posted her eabout this probalem & never managed to solve it. Trying to run my Repeater's output into my bass amp has always produced a horible buzzing noise. The way I understood the problem, this is due to the Repeater putting out a 'line level' (+4 I guess?) signal. Does anyone know if the new master volume attenuation control will allow me to reduce the output to a level that my amp will play nice with? Thanks! Matt Quinn --=_alternative 006BED85852572F2_= Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII"
Hello all, been unsubscribed for a long time, but the new Repeater OS has me wondering about something. In the past I posted her eabout this probalem & never managed to solve it. Trying to run my Repeater's output into my bass amp has always produced a horible buzzing noise. The way I understood the problem, this is due to the Repeater putting out a 'line level' (+4 I guess?) signal.

Does anyone know if the new master volume attenuation control will allow me to reduce the output to a level that my amp will play nice with?

Thanks!

Matt Quinn

--=_alternative 006BED85852572F2_=-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 6 19:42:16 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CDCC83BF0B; Wed, 6 Jun 2007 19:42:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Wed, 06 Jun 2007 15:39:31 -0400 From: Bill Fox Subject: Re: NJ Looping Festival In-reply-to: <20063149.1180670699195.JavaMail.root@m11> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <46670D73.6030402@soundscapes.us> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=windows-1250; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit References: <465F2B78.9060608@biink.com> <29930036.1180642869690.JavaMail.root@m11> <465F5E2E.9030009@soundscapes.us> <20063149.1180670699195.JavaMail.root@m11> User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.12 (Windows/20070509) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70873 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2007 19:42:16 +0000 (UTC) Tony K wrote: > You did the soundscape shows at the Icehouse in Bethlehem, didn't you? How > was that? Nice place? Bethlehem is only an 1.5 hour drive from NYC. > Bethlehem is a nice town. And they love their music (Musikfest and > NEARFest) Yes I did... until they started requiring a $1,000,000 liability policy. The cost is greater than ticket sales, effectively putting me out of business until I find a new venue! The Ice House is a great venue and will be hard to beat. shit :( Bill http://soundscapes.us From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 6 19:44:28 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 644E13BEF7; Wed, 6 Jun 2007 19:44:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Wed, 06 Jun 2007 15:43:22 -0400 From: Bill Fox Subject: Re: AW: do we need a forum ? In-reply-to: <6397626.1180762545471.JavaMail.root@m11> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <46670E5A.9090301@soundscapes.us> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit References: <49433.68.123.26.152.1180761233.squirrel@webmail.zerocrossing.net> <20070602051836.56BA33BEF0@arsenic.violacea.com> <49460.68.123.26.152.1180761804.squirrel@webmail.zerocrossing.net> <6397626.1180762545471.JavaMail.root@m11> User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.12 (Windows/20070509) Resent-Message-ID: <6r5ymC.A.CPB.c6wZGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70874 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2007 19:44:28 +0000 (UTC) Michael Billow wrote: > Personally it would be helpful if the moderator could put > "LoopersDelight" in the heading of all emails sent out, like my other > Yahoo groups do - I can deal with lots of emails, but it gets > difficult to sort these out from my regular emails without that > distinction in the subject line. Try filtering on other fields like Sender or Reply To. Also try cutting out extra text from your replies. No need to quote an entire thread. Cheers, Bill From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 6 19:46:32 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9C79A3BF24; Wed, 6 Jun 2007 19:46:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Wed, 06 Jun 2007 15:36:53 -0400 From: Bill Fox Subject: Re: NJ Looping Festival In-reply-to: <14409993.1180661675852.JavaMail.root@m11> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <46670CD5.4050706@soundscapes.us> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit References: <465F2B78.9060608@biink.com> <9e0440a60705311404o7931f313gee386b77bb7c6f22@mail.gmail.com> <98376C4C-3AA9-4B55-B69A-59B60D161BE1@jamesrichmond.com> <465F450F.3030308@biink.com> <9e0440a60705311516t14e9d8f1wba29b2e0ed5220b2@mail.gmail.com> <23979927.1180651395294.JavaMail.root@m11> <465F6294.3010106@soundscapes.us> <14409993.1180661675852.JavaMail.root@m11> User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.12 (Windows/20070509) Resent-Message-ID: <5fuIS.A.MhB.X8wZGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70875 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2007 19:46:32 +0000 (UTC) Jim Goodin wrote: > Bill I'll relay to Don he'll be most pleased. I saw Don at electro-music this weekend. We all had a great time. This Thursday, I'm playing Don on VINYL to open my show. Cheers, Bill From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 6 19:46:33 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4ACFE3BF2A; Wed, 6 Jun 2007 19:46:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Wed, 06 Jun 2007 15:47:28 -0400 From: Bill Fox Subject: Re: do we need a forum ? In-reply-to: <19060624.1180762543363.JavaMail.root@m11> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <46670F50.5010506@soundscapes.us> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit References: <19060624.1180762543363.JavaMail.root@m11> User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.12 (Windows/20070509) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70876 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2007 19:46:33 +0000 (UTC) Jens Wolters wrote: > I have been following the loopers delight list for quite a while. But > after some time I always tend to unsubscribe. There is just too much > mail in my mail account. > Also I find it really hard to follow the existing threads. > I wish there was a forum on Loopers Delight. What do you guys think? > Of course it would be nice to have it on > http://www.loopers-delight.com . But > if that is not possible or wanted, I can provide domain, hosting and > setting up the forum. There is already some cross pollination between members of electro-music and loopers delight. If you absolutely *must* have a forum, http://electro-music.com would be the vibrant community to host it, being interested in diversity. I am happy with this list as it is. Cheers, Bill From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 6 19:53:17 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C63933BF1A; Wed, 6 Jun 2007 19:53:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Wed, 06 Jun 2007 15:53:26 -0400 From: Bill Fox Subject: Re: AW: do we need a forum ? In-reply-to: <17974850.1180981795500.JavaMail.root@m11> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <466710B6.5070502@soundscapes.us> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit References: <578634.50973.qm@web34809.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4661272C.8090103@f2s.com> <3AAC0F26-1536-4A9C-B966-D4584CA98454@zerocrossing.net> <17974850.1180981795500.JavaMail.root@m11> User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.12 (Windows/20070509) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70877 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2007 19:53:17 +0000 (UTC) miles ward wrote: > I think a forum would be great, if only for searchability and > historical reference. This wouldn't be Loopers Delight if themes didn't recur from time to time! ;-) Cheers, Bill From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 6 20:08:50 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 601DB3BF0F; Wed, 6 Jun 2007 20:08:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=JbMjB4ajl/ebkW05iKOlf9bmWZ/uHODGdNmZsk+s7CrSskUayY1OBDOaXmGHHyLFjAktJle1FNHl/bJ132WY8kVOYpcX6AIRjocgflY/ewfc5dcMudIlxJDVrcLfjtdMb/Q05rY6Wh/r7j4tWuIFBnb3U5ykVJuXmBzVuC6sJnQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=eZheTgJHr/5wy5AHPCLIAhAEvjI0FNZAy90WAAIbYlRh9mULZXn83XAo0ivBbM2XCjaP5pJ5pgr+P6o4xnGAkid88ZBGAreIH8gCk1c/kBDdIRirmqBXx8fO1UIm/9ko9Wo1eOhRZV4zcY6bWnIQwpwrjhfnl6RT2AoyaiYYY1w= Message-ID: Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2007 16:08:48 -0400 From: "Tony K" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: NJ Looping Festival In-Reply-To: <46670D73.6030402@soundscapes.us> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_30574_26501041.1181160528100" References: <465F2B78.9060608@biink.com> <29930036.1180642869690.JavaMail.root@m11> <465F5E2E.9030009@soundscapes.us> <20063149.1180670699195.JavaMail.root@m11> <46670D73.6030402@soundscapes.us> Resent-Message-ID: <0APAW.A.iKE.RRxZGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70878 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2007 20:08:50 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_30574_26501041.1181160528100 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Godfrey Daniels? Muhlenberg's Baker Center? Civic Theater on 19th st? Scottish Rite Cathedral? There should be something around. Tony On 6/6/07, Bill Fox wrote: > > Tony K wrote: > > You did the soundscape shows at the Icehouse in Bethlehem, didn't > you? How > > was that? Nice place? Bethlehem is only an 1.5 hour drive from NYC. > > Bethlehem is a nice town. And they love their music (Musikfest and > > NEARFest) > Yes I did... until they started requiring a $1,000,000 liability > policy. The cost is greater than ticket sales, effectively putting me > out of business until I find a new venue! The Ice House is > a great venue and will be hard to beat. > > shit :( > > Bill > http://soundscapes.us > > -- -==-=-=- Tony ------=_Part_30574_26501041.1181160528100 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Godfrey Daniels? Muhlenberg's Baker Center? Civic Theater on 19th st? Scottish Rite Cathedral?

There should be something around.

Tony

On 6/6/07, Bill Fox <billyfox@soundscapes.us> wrote:
Tony K wrote:
> You did the soundscape shows at the Icehouse in Bethlehem, didn't you?  How
> was that?  Nice place?  Bethlehem is only an 1.5 hour drive from NYC.
> Bethlehem is a nice town.  And they love their music (Musikfest and
> NEARFest)
Yes I did... until they started requiring a $1,000,000 liability
policy.  The cost is greater than ticket sales, effectively putting me
out of business until <drum roll> I find a new venue!  The Ice House is
a great venue and will be hard to beat.

shit  :(

Bill
http://soundscapes.us

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Tony ------=_Part_30574_26501041.1181160528100-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 6 20:43:40 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AFEA63BEFE; Wed, 6 Jun 2007 20:43:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=laPR4U8ctbZtg8cc3U8gFB794/CYain0mHeNTZu4ts08uK8iwb3aHE4ZZJU1WlT7UTT+rdfi5qdM+5FBPMyfHag5psJyYOIi5++34bVjVV+gIx3oiNmiMg5oUGLW1Y7jE+O78F/lU7ElhKPRGoadmlRXYRadHsrLDE6JpuizcE4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=Z8gYecWKrDqmCGT+dx4rq8rdJ/FezhrfnbUO5WlqjXg+GDT7/Ozc+i8mB2ZmKXVEHVwBexZBMwzgfXLU/tdQxdDWoGs/UFz2mSehslOV9FcmjNgROXMCHHSacFDDrlR734fbif+aZMlHmP4l4y3g66hibv848pGgNGdA5XpzuC4= Message-ID: Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2007 13:43:37 -0700 From: "Michael Billow" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: AW: do we need a forum ? In-Reply-To: <46670E5A.9090301@soundscapes.us> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_36981_24056615.1181162617978" References: <49433.68.123.26.152.1180761233.squirrel@webmail.zerocrossing.net> <20070602051836.56BA33BEF0@arsenic.violacea.com> <49460.68.123.26.152.1180761804.squirrel@webmail.zerocrossing.net> <6397626.1180762545471.JavaMail.root@m11> <46670E5A.9090301@soundscapes.us> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70879 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2007 20:43:40 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_36981_24056615.1181162617978 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Thanks but I really wasn't looking for advice here. My suggestion was to help the group by simply adding the title in the heading of emails sent out.It's really such a simple and basic idea. I am a member of 15 or so other e-groups like this one, and they all include the name in the header. This is the only one that doesn't. On 6/6/07, Bill Fox wrote: Try filtering on other fields like Sender or Reply To. Also try cutting out extra text from your replies. No need to quote an entire thread. Cheers, Bill Michael Billow wrote: > > Personally it would be helpful if the moderator could put > > "LoopersDelight" in the heading of all emails sent out, like my other > > Yahoo groups do - I can deal with lots of emails, but it gets > > difficult to sort these out from my regular emails without that > > distinction in the subject line. > > > ------=_Part_36981_24056615.1181162617978 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Thanks but I really wasn't looking for advice here. My suggestion was to help the group by simply adding the title in the heading of emails sent out.It's really such a simple and basic idea. I am a member of 15 or so other e-groups like this one, and they all include the name in the header. This is the only one that doesn't.

On 6/6/07, Bill Fox <billyfox@soundscapes.us> wrote:

Try filtering on other fields like Sender or Reply To.  Also try cutting
out extra text from your replies.  No need to quote an entire thread.

Cheers,

Bill

Michael Billow wrote:
> Personally it would be helpful if the moderator could put
> "LoopersDelight" in the heading of all emails sent out, like my other
> Yahoo groups do - I can deal with lots of emails, but it gets
> difficult to sort these out from my regular emails without that
> distinction in the subject line.

------=_Part_36981_24056615.1181162617978-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 6 20:59:01 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A311A3BF11; Wed, 6 Jun 2007 20:59:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=N5Jlre1MIWuDf99HZBAyjVteMMLGwV+0PMcJNPZivhtB7vHmsUWXEsJtAZCCd3Z4jfh21DftpnIN77NkwcVz4OZl2bL7QGoB6XBfgQ3lv4cRdIzja2QQi2qMK9VIMsn80dJZLddpvznv3tSDK5eS9i53O4gnDB4S708eg+5P3Bg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=CsVqQMWgww6dJz05Bz9qt9PNIHL30aByZ0A+6sHf9oISxoqRXSaeukONUxns6EaAJ05RdNrsYy3OZMxQMZIKPEz06X7S6vGeFLR4gj8lbBeRe54C3mw5fTdv/JzsqOmxLNMUgPoaGaIH6LPDYDUwI5Ms/myctnsGmMS4B2kq19Y= Message-ID: <9e0440a60706061358r370fdf72pb26187ca58324ad6@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2007 16:58:58 -0400 From: "Jim Goodin" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: NJ Looping Festival In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_41167_24882724.1181163538065" References: <465F2B78.9060608@biink.com> <29930036.1180642869690.JavaMail.root@m11> <465F5E2E.9030009@soundscapes.us> <20063149.1180670699195.JavaMail.root@m11> <46670D73.6030402@soundscapes.us> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70880 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2007 20:59:01 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_41167_24882724.1181163538065 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Tony hey what is Scottish Rite Cathedral that sounds rather a cool setting for a festival? Godfrey D... has been hard to get in pitching a solo act but then again maybe they might dig a festival. I think we (myself, David and Andrew) have been thinking more like a school or church facility but I'm sure remain open. Jim On 6/6/07, Tony K wrote: > > Godfrey Daniels? Muhlenberg's Baker Center? Civic Theater on 19th st? Scottish > Rite Cathedral? > > There should be something around. > > Tony > > On 6/6/07, Bill Fox wrote: > > > > Tony K wrote: > > > You did the soundscape shows at the Icehouse in Bethlehem, didn't > > you? How > > > was that? Nice place? Bethlehem is only an 1.5 hour drive from NYC. > > > Bethlehem is a nice town. And they love their music (Musikfest and > > > NEARFest) > > Yes I did... until they started requiring a $1,000,000 liability > > policy. The cost is greater than ticket sales, effectively putting me > > out of business until I find a new venue! The Ice House is > > a great venue and will be hard to beat. > > > > shit :( > > > > Bill > > http://soundscapes.us > > > > > > > -- > -==-=-=- > Tony -- The Acoustic World Guitar of Jim Goodin - http://www.jimgoodinmusic.com MySpace (solo) - http://www.myspace.com/jimgoodinmusic Chinapainting - http://www.chinapaintingmusic.com Chinapainting on My Space - http://www.myspace.com/chinapaintingmusic.com The Jim Goodin label and home for 7 other creative souls - http://www.woodandwiremusic.com Jim Goodin uses GHS Strings - http://www.ghsstrings.com and Seagull Guitars - http://www.seagullguitars.com, Jim Goodin is published by Mel Bay Publications, Inc. - http://www.melbay.com Associates and friends on the web - Daryl Shawn - http://www.swanwelder.com Adam Werner - http://www.adamwerner.com John Stowell - http://www.johnstowell.com Matt Richards - http://www.mattrichardsmusic.net Michael Manring - http://www.manthing.com Will Ackerman - http://www.williamackerman.com New Land Music - http://www.newlandmusic.com ------=_Part_41167_24882724.1181163538065 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline
Tony hey what is Scottish Rite Cathedral that sounds rather a cool setting for a festival? Godfrey D... has been hard to get in pitching a solo act but then again maybe they might dig a festival. I think we (myself, David and Andrew) have been thinking more like a school or church facility but I'm sure remain open.

Jim

On 6/6/07, Tony K <bigtonyk@gmail.com> wrote:
Godfrey Daniels? Muhlenberg's Baker Center? Civic Theater on 19th st? Scottish Rite Cathedral?

There should be something around.

Tony

On 6/6/07, Bill Fox <billyfox@soundscapes.us > wrote:
Tony K wrote:
> You did the soundscape shows at the Icehouse in Bethlehem, didn't you?  How
> was that?  Nice place?  Bethlehem is only an 1.5 hour drive from NYC.
> Bethlehem is a nice town.  And they love their music (Musikfest and
> NEARFest)
Yes I did... until they started requiring a $1,000,000 liability
policy.  The cost is greater than ticket sales, effectively putting me
out of business until <drum roll> I find a new venue!  The Ice House is
a great venue and will be hard to beat.

shit  :(

Bill
http://soundscapes.us

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Tony

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Chinapainting on My Space -
http://www.myspace.com/chinapaintingmusic.com
The Jim Goodin label and home for 7 other creative souls - http://www.woodandwiremusic.com
Jim Goodin uses GHS Strings - http://www.ghsstrings.com and Seagull Guitars - http://www.seagullguitars.com, Jim Goodin is published by Mel Bay Publications, Inc. - http://www.melbay.com

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Daryl Shawn -
http://www.swanwelder.com
Adam Werner - http://www.adamwerner.com
John Stowell - http://www.johnstowell.com
Matt Richards - http://www.mattrichardsmusic.net
Michael Manring - http://www.manthing.com
Will Ackerman - http://www.williamackerman.com
New Land Music - http://www.newlandmusic.com ------=_Part_41167_24882724.1181163538065-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 6 21:02:41 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6058E3BF0B; Wed, 6 Jun 2007 21:02:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=AALkakmuYj219S0sBXXccDgttQT+/MUKECkcoe23minleFh8xaUdEU0GfnvlnNYrOOt0xRtnGcvT65PcpXrpE5BwIALzEFIZ1Qlju6Q4vybZP4vWrtEVJIgiB7KGtc8Z+KR00d7fd28oK2kTDMOG6qBKlXqcDorQ9KyWLhja32M= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=O3+K4r2cw+MHZSFuXNxRZTCPWYxiZpdzTqNYYxmnDvnxCBEPeiu5QEkLFrMBbtraXI/dXhdQ+Zq49O0nSqFccn8Q+oYgK/HkQjMvE9zM22sGZSk/PtANJaZGWFnyYCJnC9qMByQK35RAchPopeHhY8gAGBVJmhGe4wB1NK8yJII= Message-ID: <9e0440a60706061402o513b1ce3sfe3ea7767939021f@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2007 17:02:38 -0400 From: "Jim Goodin" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: NJ Looping Festival In-Reply-To: <46670CD5.4050706@soundscapes.us> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_41215_19099523.1181163758417" References: <465F2B78.9060608@biink.com> <9e0440a60705311404o7931f313gee386b77bb7c6f22@mail.gmail.com> <98376C4C-3AA9-4B55-B69A-59B60D161BE1@jamesrichmond.com> <465F450F.3030308@biink.com> <9e0440a60705311516t14e9d8f1wba29b2e0ed5220b2@mail.gmail.com> <23979927.1180651395294.JavaMail.root@m11> <465F6294.3010106@soundscapes.us> <14409993.1180661675852.JavaMail.root@m11> <46670CD5.4050706@soundscapes.us> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70881 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2007 21:02:41 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_41215_19099523.1181163758417 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Bill that's great. Don mentioned he was going. I'm sure it was a great time and I'm glad you are playing some of his stuff, some of the things done too with Karen Bentley particularly a track called Winter though not as much space/ambient but more New Age I guess, still some really felt music. That particular reminds me of Darol Anger/Barb Higbie. Re this east coast fest totally open to any ideas you have. Jim Goodin www.jimgoodinmusic.com On 6/6/07, Bill Fox wrote: > > Jim Goodin wrote: > > Bill I'll relay to Don he'll be most pleased. > I saw Don at electro-music this weekend. We all had a great time. > This Thursday, I'm playing Don on VINYL to open my show. > > Cheers, > > Bill > > -- The Acoustic World Guitar of Jim Goodin - http://www.jimgoodinmusic.com MySpace (solo) - http://www.myspace.com/jimgoodinmusic Chinapainting - http://www.chinapaintingmusic.com Chinapainting on My Space - http://www.myspace.com/chinapaintingmusic.com The Jim Goodin label and home for 7 other creative souls - http://www.woodandwiremusic.com Jim Goodin uses GHS Strings - http://www.ghsstrings.com and Seagull Guitars - http://www.seagullguitars.com, Jim Goodin is published by Mel Bay Publications, Inc. - http://www.melbay.com Associates and friends on the web - Daryl Shawn - http://www.swanwelder.com Adam Werner - http://www.adamwerner.com John Stowell - http://www.johnstowell.com Matt Richards - http://www.mattrichardsmusic.net Michael Manring - http://www.manthing.com Will Ackerman - http://www.williamackerman.com New Land Music - http://www.newlandmusic.com ------=_Part_41215_19099523.1181163758417 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline
Bill that's great. Don mentioned he was going. I'm sure it was a great time and I'm glad you are playing some of his stuff, some of the things done too with Karen Bentley particularly a track called Winter though not as much space/ambient but more New Age I guess, still some really felt music. That particular reminds me of Darol Anger/Barb Higbie. Re this east coast fest totally open to any ideas you have.

Jim Goodin

www.jimgoodinmusic.com

On 6/6/07, Bill Fox <billyfox@soundscapes.us> wrote:
Jim Goodin wrote:
> Bill I'll relay to Don he'll be most pleased.
I saw Don at electro-music this weekend.  We all had a great time.
This Thursday, I'm playing Don on VINYL to open my show.

Cheers,

Bill

--
The Acoustic World Guitar of Jim Goodin  - http://www.jimgoodinmusic.com
MySpace (solo) - http://www.myspace.com/jimgoodinmusic
Chinapainting -
http://www.chinapaintingmusic.com
Chinapainting on My Space -
http://www.myspace.com/chinapaintingmusic.com
The Jim Goodin label and home for 7 other creative souls - http://www.woodandwiremusic.com
Jim Goodin uses GHS Strings - http://www.ghsstrings.com and Seagull Guitars - http://www.seagullguitars.com , Jim Goodin is published by Mel Bay Publications, Inc. - http://www.melbay.com

Associates and friends on the web -
Daryl Shawn -
http://www.swanwelder.com
Adam Werner - http://www.adamwerner.com
John Stowell - http://www.johnstowell.com
Matt Richards - http://www.mattrichardsmusic.net
Michael Manring - http://www.manthing.com
Will Ackerman - http://www.williamackerman.com
New Land Music - http://www.newlandmusic.com ------=_Part_41215_19099523.1181163758417-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 6 21:14:52 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DBA793BEE9; Wed, 6 Jun 2007 21:14:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=bh6NhcUMEBt6DO7PZs7444tY0LlGgs+ywFMHQwoAv8kiEJR5qMc8kgiwwljPnG4FvT7oNGalWrtNGTfr8JUTh6PNXYicPm5eitPDHomkyresa2Cg9z7xFKdJZNhqPhzBrpKVMntUD4bEOb63u+rF5eAzOFA76RnbcWmb+FMvH2k= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=mBw+ok2IE67JuxV3oG+2eQ/7C1xDeTLSWm5CLnuBMh0QNjGnt8BeTAVG0LcZmAw3svhI0TdLIs5lN6DMRiUn5YG2t+puksC37RYfy9a6Q9I8qqBqBobOzgixLFg1/NLGQlKGGe9E/+z83+L+Hc34Li52T4cEjUzilFdKEZX0in0= Message-ID: Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2007 17:14:49 -0400 From: "Tony K" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: NJ Looping Festival In-Reply-To: <9e0440a60706061358r370fdf72pb26187ca58324ad6@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_31407_14405187.1181164489827" References: <465F2B78.9060608@biink.com> <29930036.1180642869690.JavaMail.root@m11> <465F5E2E.9030009@soundscapes.us> <20063149.1180670699195.JavaMail.root@m11> <46670D73.6030402@soundscapes.us> <9e0440a60706061358r370fdf72pb26187ca58324ad6@mail.gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: <8Y2GfB.A.kdE.MPyZGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70882 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2007 21:14:52 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_31407_14405187.1181164489827 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline They don't seem to have a website, but it's at 1533 Hamilton St, in Allentown PA. They have had a lot of dance/theater/concerts and seem to be very active in the local arts scene. Nice place from what I remember (it's been AGES since I was in it.) I don't know what kind of crowd you'd be expecting, so it may be a bit on the big side of things. The 19th St Civic Little Theater in Allentown is cool, so is the State Theater in Easton. Tony On 6/6/07, Jim Goodin wrote: > > Tony hey what is Scottish Rite Cathedral that sounds rather a cool setting > for a festival? Godfrey D... has been hard to get in pitching a solo act > but then again maybe they might dig a festival. I think we (myself, David > and Andrew) have been thinking more like a school or church facility but I'm > sure remain open. > > Jim > > > On 6/6/07, Tony K wrote: > > > > Godfrey Daniels? Muhlenberg's Baker Center? Civic Theater on 19th st? Scottish > > Rite Cathedral? > > > > There should be something around. > > > > Tony > > > > On 6/6/07, Bill Fox wrote: > > > > > > Tony K wrote: > > > > You did the soundscape shows at the Icehouse in Bethlehem, didn't > > > you? How > > > > was that? Nice place? Bethlehem is only an 1.5 hour drive from > > > NYC. > > > > Bethlehem is a nice town. And they love their music (Musikfest and > > > > NEARFest) > > > Yes I did... until they started requiring a $1,000,000 liability > > > policy. The cost is greater than ticket sales, effectively putting me > > > out of business until I find a new venue! The Ice House > > > is > > > a great venue and will be hard to beat. > > > > > > shit :( > > > > > > Bill > > > http://soundscapes.us > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > -==-=-=- > > Tony > > > > > -- > The Acoustic World Guitar of Jim Goodin - http://www.jimgoodinmusic.com > MySpace (solo) - http://www.myspace.com/jimgoodinmusic > Chinapainting - > http://www.chinapaintingmusic.com > Chinapainting on My Space - > http://www.myspace.com/chinapaintingmusic.com > The Jim Goodin label and home for 7 other creative souls - > http://www.woodandwiremusic.com > Jim Goodin uses GHS Strings - http://www.ghsstrings.com and Seagull > Guitars - http://www.seagullguitars.com, Jim Goodin is published by Mel > Bay Publications, Inc. - http://www.melbay.com > > Associates and friends on the web - > Daryl Shawn - > http://www.swanwelder.com > Adam Werner - http://www.adamwerner.com > John Stowell - http://www.johnstowell.com > Matt Richards - http://www.mattrichardsmusic.net > Michael Manring - http://www.manthing.com > Will Ackerman - http://www.williamackerman.com > New Land Music - http://www.newlandmusic.com > -- -==-=-=- Tony ------=_Part_31407_14405187.1181164489827 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline They don't seem to have a website, but it's at 1533 Hamilton St, in Allentown PA. They have had a lot of dance/theater/concerts and seem to be very active in the local arts scene. Nice place from what I remember (it's been AGES since I was in it.) I don't know what kind of crowd you'd be expecting, so it may be a bit on the big side of things.

The 19th St Civic Little Theater in Allentown is cool, so is the State Theater in Easton.

Tony

On 6/6/07, Jim Goodin < jimgoodinmusic@gmail.com> wrote:
Tony hey what is Scottish Rite Cathedral that sounds rather a cool setting for a festival? Godfrey D... has been hard to get in pitching a solo act but then again maybe they might dig a festival. I think we (myself, David and Andrew) have been thinking more like a school or church facility but I'm sure remain open.

Jim

On 6/6/07, Tony K <bigtonyk@gmail.com> wrote:
Godfrey Daniels? Muhlenberg's Baker Center? Civic Theater on 19th st? Scottish Rite Cathedral?

There should be something around.

Tony

On 6/6/07, Bill Fox <billyfox@soundscapes.us > wrote:
Tony K wrote:
> You did the soundscape shows at the Icehouse in Bethlehem, didn't you?  How
> was that?  Nice place?  Bethlehem is only an 1.5 hour drive from NYC.
> Bethlehem is a nice town.  And they love their music (Musikfest and
> NEARFest)
Yes I did... until they started requiring a $1,000,000 liability
policy.  The cost is greater than ticket sales, effectively putting me
out of business until <drum roll> I find a new venue!  The Ice House is
a great venue and will be hard to beat.

shit  :(

Bill
http://soundscapes.us

--
-==-=-=-
Tony

--
The Acoustic World Guitar of Jim Goodin  - http://www.jimgoodinmusic.com
MySpace (solo) - http://www.myspace.com/jimgoodinmusic
Chinapainting -
http://www.chinapaintingmusic.com
Chinapainting on My Space -
http://www.myspace.com/chinapaintingmusic.com
The Jim Goodin label and home for 7 other creative souls - http://www.woodandwiremusic.com
Jim Goodin uses GHS Strings - http://www.ghsstrings.com and Seagull Guitars - http://www.seagullguitars.com, Jim Goodin is published by Mel Bay Publications, Inc. - http://www.melbay.com

Associates and friends on the web -
Daryl Shawn -
http://www.swanwelder.com
Adam Werner - http://www.adamwerner.com
John Stowell - http://www.johnstowell.com
Matt Richards - http://www.mattrichardsmusic.net
Michael Manring - http://www.manthing.com
Will Ackerman - http://www.williamackerman.com
New Land Music - http://www.newlandmusic.com

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Tony ------=_Part_31407_14405187.1181164489827-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 6 21:20:17 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CFC7A3BF0F; Wed, 6 Jun 2007 21:20:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=PudwANky5Cg9BloX/jqkVcJX8eGRqL/EBgsttbVZ1BJI49egUFaFX8TCRFJ6UyqKfGhFwKp69Tqa/Op0NpE2lM1Mk+EJ7V6MoLu1xozBUHPny8n/vUYdcc8nTbjc8kwBhAPIHQv0eQo//wmAiQv3KmO7ZoTUhYmfAWukoDOUDAw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=dRfFph8ZB7uCk+HVhK9NpVapkqh3QRivE3fPyZmIjIA7EiLHlZ6IfdAZmGA3lgH823UPJ2pxTl8Dq6VBZZwtdK+fnFq5gwrmIGRxn8QgRMDB4n91jqWHnl4kyw1iIhJb6v0nGcuFggpR73DLQIBdP8ZtvX6lNHtDpnnNYaaBvMM= Message-ID: Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2007 16:20:13 -0500 From: "Doug Cox" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: AW: do we need a forum ? In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_54467_19664155.1181164813447" References: <49433.68.123.26.152.1180761233.squirrel@webmail.zerocrossing.net> <20070602051836.56BA33BEF0@arsenic.violacea.com> <49460.68.123.26.152.1180761804.squirrel@webmail.zerocrossing.net> <6397626.1180762545471.JavaMail.root@m11> <46670E5A.9090301@soundscapes.us> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70883 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2007 21:20:17 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_54467_19664155.1181164813447 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Not looking for any advice, just wanna give some, huh? :) On 6/6/07, Michael Billow wrote: > > Thanks but I really wasn't looking for advice here. My suggestion was to > help the group by simply adding the title in the heading of emails sent > out.It's really such a simple and basic idea. I am a member of 15 or so > other e-groups like this one, and they all include the name in the header. > This is the only one that doesn't. > > On 6/6/07, Bill Fox wrote: > > Try filtering on other fields like Sender or Reply To. Also try cutting > out extra text from your replies. No need to quote an entire thread. > > Cheers, > > Bill > > Michael Billow wrote: > > > Personally it would be helpful if the moderator could put > > > "LoopersDelight" in the heading of all emails sent out, like my other > > > Yahoo groups do - I can deal with lots of emails, but it gets > > > difficult to sort these out from my regular emails without that > > > distinction in the subject line. > > > > > > > ------=_Part_54467_19664155.1181164813447 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Not looking for any advice, just wanna give some, huh? :)

On 6/6/07, Michael Billow <mbillow@gmail.com> wrote:
Thanks but I really wasn't looking for advice here. My suggestion was to help the group by simply adding the title in the heading of emails sent out.It's really such a simple and basic idea. I am a member of 15 or so other e-groups like this one, and they all include the name in the header. This is the only one that doesn't.

On 6/6/07, Bill Fox < billyfox@soundscapes.us> wrote:

Try filtering on other fields like Sender or Reply To.  Also try cutting
out extra text from your replies.  No need to quote an entire thread.

Cheers,

Bill

Michael Billow wrote:
> Personally it would be helpful if the moderator could put
> "LoopersDelight" in the heading of all emails sent out, like my other
> Yahoo groups do - I can deal with lots of emails, but it gets
> difficult to sort these out from my regular emails without that
> distinction in the subject line.

------=_Part_54467_19664155.1181164813447-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 6 21:30:31 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9E1633BF0F; Wed, 6 Jun 2007 21:30:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [90.196.3.244] X-Originating-Email: [simeonharris@hotmail.com] X-Sender: simeonharris@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: From: "simeon harris" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Repeater attenuation question Date: Wed, 06 Jun 2007 21:30:25 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Jun 2007 21:30:28.0603 (UTC) FILETIME=[E72C34B0:01C7A881] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70884 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2007 21:30:31 +0000 (UTC) >From: Matthew_Quinn@vrtx.com >Does anyone know if the new master volume attenuation control will allow >me to reduce the output to a level that my amp will play nice with? from reading the new manual, i'm pretty sure the answer is yes...i think the new volume attenuation feature is specifically designed to allow the repeater to run in front of an amp sim _________________________________________________________________ Txt a lot? Get Messenger FREE on your mobile. https://livemessenger.mobile.uk.msn.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 6 22:00:19 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C59EF3BF0F; Wed, 6 Jun 2007 22:00:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=ojckNVdJfKTNcRzQZEDfOE0UGhi90zzapypNDzASSt+ds/r/TwmlpyEadpOXAiX3UELtwSvgm80N6VWvvTM1udG4QWCEaPK8XZGIfRcYXLau4lPEkvJP706e1OVfTaamyACbAWGCw7LYFReu9tQ3YOkc+1Yvg4pbJEnNO+CIEOA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=rh/CYhdFHSFQ/hWPTaqGJD89UKDHx0rHF6M37YxJryKDlRkI/AZowOQftZcaW/Kyyan4olec9QpujUvafQlPbNSeMQ90rSo7/F+sb1gf8eomMLHTMzaErhSFmZsJVuQ9JgJ9LsWUyc6FG2kKnQWKNek88/sQ4xegZH+DIRRduwk= Message-ID: Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2007 15:00:17 -0700 From: "Doug Wellington" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: AW: do we need a forum ? In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <49433.68.123.26.152.1180761233.squirrel@webmail.zerocrossing.net> <20070602051836.56BA33BEF0@arsenic.violacea.com> <49460.68.123.26.152.1180761804.squirrel@webmail.zerocrossing.net> <6397626.1180762545471.JavaMail.root@m11> <46670E5A.9090301@soundscapes.us> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70885 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2007 22:00:19 +0000 (UTC) On 6/6/07, Michael Billow wrote: > Thanks but I really wasn't looking for advice here. My suggestion was to > help the group by simply adding the title in the heading of emails sent > out. Do you mean adding to the subject line? "loopers-delight" is already listed in the heading in at least the "To:" or "Cc:" and "Reply-to:" fields... Have you ever tried an email filtering program? (e.g. procmail, mailagent, outlook rule, etc) Depending upon what OS/email reader you have, you can do lots of things, like adding tags and/or moving messages to other folders. Some filters will even add "[Loopers-Delight]" to the subject line so it's obvious when you scan your message list. Just about anything you can think of to do with email and you won't have to impose on anyone else to do anything... ;-) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 6 22:01:13 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3BE253BF13; Wed, 6 Jun 2007 22:01:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=pIOssvsy169Z3Ai9GjttbWCheMrjXqinDu2LU1ixSoCcuGAtpUU71+T4pj+nofkVGzjeFFX6mhQ70ej9DfgATw1dtGMXljOtnoLUy0PJSo2XkX8zlE2JlcBFSTBkwgW+wI7dxarTfDlBQ1LVIccNvTJSboOHoTNMDFYYI0sJ5c8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=m/qzKQiAnVRP9z9dklAA7m08MQpMENteDV8E+2gPXUuAzDjx0JQ2U4hVqx1cCrVkaQfJ6KNmXpELFE5B0whPK5aHZPAL55cU33/WvWA/yD2HP7SY2QBm2j45L/EKiBGnAwqnXKLU4viS14KlAvHLhp2U3ZZf9Ly/L2CbPqUlNUI= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: References: <49433.68.123.26.152.1180761233.squirrel@webmail.zerocrossing.net> <20070602051836.56BA33BEF0@arsenic.violacea.com> <49460.68.123.26.152.1180761804.squirrel@webmail.zerocrossing.net> <6397626.1180762545471.JavaMail.root@m11> <46670E5A.9090301@soundscapes.us> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <146F1216-57BB-4A19-B0E4-024B7B8A6408@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: AW: do we need a forum ? Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2007 00:01:07 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70886 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2007 22:01:13 +0000 (UTC) I think that Bill was implying that since many users appreciate short and informative subject lines (same as "header" a.f.a.i.k.) there is another suggestion that would achieve the same result as yours; i.e. easy sorting out the mails coming through the list among all other mails in ones inbox. It seems the choice is between teaching list members to sort their mail by filtering or adding up some flyer to the subject field to allow those who do not use filtering to spot the list mails by eye and pick them manually. Another method, used by some who for some reason don't want to filter the mail, is to subscribe to the digest version. Per On 6 jun 2007, at 22.43, Michael Billow wrote: > Thanks but I really wasn't looking for advice here. My suggestion > was to help the group by simply adding the title in the heading of > emails sent out.It's really such a simple and basic idea. I am a > member of 15 or so other e-groups like this one, and they all > include the name in the header. This is the only one that doesn't. > > On 6/6/07, Bill Fox wrote: > > Try filtering on other fields like Sender or Reply To. Also try > cutting > out extra text from your replies. No need to quote an entire thread. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 6 22:08:16 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 742D53BF13; Wed, 6 Jun 2007 22:08:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: still on the interface quest... Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2007 00:08:33 +0200 Organization: Moinlabs Message-ID: <001a01c7a887$38f10780$1001a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-reply-to: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Thread-Index: AceohhLt0Rt9b0G0TjKIPKKafBYK9QAAHeFg X-RZG-AUTH: lUESeo99iNzPL8kuBgLYdKEqUywq9cxqeRA+BtFcSCD5deQ7OINJAdlwVQ== X-RZG-CLASS-ID: mo07 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70887 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2007 22:08:16 +0000 (UTC) Dear fellow laptoploopers, some of you might remember my quest for the ideal audio (and MIDI) interface to work with a computer, which was based on these requirements: * at least two micpres * symmetrical outs * S/PDIF in/out coax * headphone connector with level knob And I'd also like to see a few DSP effects to take load away from my main computer...mainly something for the vocal channel (compressor, EQ etc.) and for the 2bus (same here), and perhaps some reverb... The one I had set my eyes on was the TC Electronics Konnekt 24D or Live, but it seems that it only has one channel strip available on its DSP, great as it may be... I've seen yet another device in this field: the E-Mu 1616M. Anyone has experiences with this one? Rainer From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 6 22:27:01 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 993453BF0F; Wed, 6 Jun 2007 22:27:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <043001c7a889$cbb7ba30$6401a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <001a01c7a887$38f10780$1001a8c0@succubus> Subject: Re: still on the interface quest... Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2007 16:26:57 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70888 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2007 22:27:01 +0000 (UTC) Have you checked out the pre-sonus firebox? http://www.presonus.com/firebox.html I think it meets most of your specs, except the effects (it comes with Cubebase LE). I was ready to buy one the other day, but my ThinkPad T60p doesn't have firewire...so I would have to buy a cardbus converter. Pisses me off. I am getting the E-MU 1616 Cardbus for now, and am thinking of getting my very first mac next January (for my 40th B-Day). I think this is simlar to the M version, but without the effects. Kris ----- Original Message ----- > Dear fellow laptoploopers, > > some of you might remember my quest for the ideal audio (and MIDI) > interface > to work with a computer, which was based on these requirements: > > * at least two micpres > * symmetrical outs > * S/PDIF in/out coax > * headphone connector with level knob > > And I'd also like to see a few DSP effects to take load away from my main > computer...mainly something for the vocal channel (compressor, EQ etc.) > and > for the 2bus (same here), and perhaps some reverb... > > The one I had set my eyes on was the TC Electronics Konnekt 24D or Live, > but > it seems that it only has one channel strip available on its DSP, great as > it may be... > > I've seen yet another device in this field: the E-Mu 1616M. Anyone has > experiences with this one? > > Rainer > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 6 22:40:02 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F42033BF11; Wed, 6 Jun 2007 22:40:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <005101c7a88b$cc2d9b90$19b2a8c0@netzrechner> Reply-To: "Tilmann Dehnhard" From: "Tilmann Dehnhard" To: References: <001a01c7a887$38f10780$1001a8c0@succubus> <043001c7a889$cbb7ba30$6401a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> Subject: Re: still on the interface quest... Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2007 00:41:16 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX195rCpAZ7sSihc9snxAAbpBtBH5isbuZdMaGaK my48GuuadRIMwcorcHvzBUCIDTMRJSTSxSgxG4gcwSrTyf0SbI Vnt9L1RfL28dq/+HdtPqmvtTjvZyuGz Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70889 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2007 22:40:01 +0000 (UTC) i have just recently bought the tc konnekt. nice dsp reverb, a little channelstrip and really great sound. adat spdif all inside. looks cool. works fine with windows servicepack two AND an automatic update for the firewire connection. good tech hotline, friendly german guy taking care of driver issues etc. the only teardrop: laptop firewire has insufficient power to run the konnekt. so you have to carry the outboard power cable/case when on the road. smooth looping everybody - tilmann ----- Original Message ----- From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2007 12:26 AM Subject: Re: still on the interface quest... > Have you checked out the pre-sonus firebox? > > http://www.presonus.com/firebox.html > > I think it meets most of your specs, except the effects (it comes with > Cubebase LE). I was ready to buy one the other day, but my ThinkPad T60p > doesn't have firewire...so I would have to buy a cardbus converter. Pisses > me off. I am getting the E-MU 1616 Cardbus for now, and am thinking of > getting my very first mac next January (for my 40th B-Day). I think this > is simlar to the M version, but without the effects. > > Kris > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > >> Dear fellow laptoploopers, >> >> some of you might remember my quest for the ideal audio (and MIDI) >> interface >> to work with a computer, which was based on these requirements: >> >> * at least two micpres >> * symmetrical outs >> * S/PDIF in/out coax >> * headphone connector with level knob >> >> And I'd also like to see a few DSP effects to take load away from my main >> computer...mainly something for the vocal channel (compressor, EQ etc.) >> and >> for the 2bus (same here), and perhaps some reverb... >> >> The one I had set my eyes on was the TC Electronics Konnekt 24D or Live, >> but >> it seems that it only has one channel strip available on its DSP, great >> as >> it may be... >> >> I've seen yet another device in this field: the E-Mu 1616M. Anyone has >> experiences with this one? >> >> Rainer >> >> > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 6 22:43:12 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C20733BF04; Wed, 6 Jun 2007 22:43:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=Rja0ObUi6xoQB4aP269g5vamvqutu1TcaQN9KSwbm0QUw63WU1kI1Fs37kHMezpG1MYB67+d0Ikat187vdYlKPph/gMQeyg0/0ef3xiwce0fiRB+LosTRPWyZ3KDQeDdWFnkmnEBvMYdkFNHdxpyltkxV2Y5sz8lcIdDLo3HgcE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=kN5vR/e193Y8Oyqsn1QCGBB/LJG0PuQsH1LP4z+6Alv4/+JGe1231GqW2zVvITr50n8fVc2VH+eET0glWLqq/rK9MMd/R6N3RVR0/ih3r0Wc49oaCvM/vnaG4mAK7o6xYntAa4S2VHjzJ9QFiyi9wdmNdI8/piQOKiRN9Zl0xZI= Message-ID: Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2007 15:43:10 -0700 From: "Doug Wellington" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: still on the interface quest... In-Reply-To: <043001c7a889$cbb7ba30$6401a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <001a01c7a887$38f10780$1001a8c0@succubus> <043001c7a889$cbb7ba30$6401a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70890 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2007 22:43:12 +0000 (UTC) > thinking of getting my very first mac next January (for my 40th B-Day). Just a wee lad, eh? I figure anyone younger than me is just a young punk. Punk! ;-) I think you'll like the Mac though. I've been using Macs for several years (only since OS X came out though), and a Macbook since last fall, and I love it. I'm running Parallels and Winders XP on it, so I figure I have the best of all worlds... Doug (I better set up more email filters...) http://www.analognotes.com http://www.stoogepanels.com http://www.softsampling.com http://www.dougwellington.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 6 22:52:59 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 90F713BF18; Wed, 6 Jun 2007 22:52:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: still on the interface quest... Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2007 00:53:17 +0200 Organization: Moinlabs Message-ID: <000001c7a88d$79407130$1001a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 In-Reply-To: <043001c7a889$cbb7ba30$6401a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> Thread-Index: Aceoic3LeszrZ62nS2iSbvneMgTgkgAArGrQ X-RZG-AUTH: lUESeo99iNzPL8kuBgLYdKEqUywq9cxqeRA+BtFcSCD5deQ7OIWGkAu8yFY= X-RZG-CLASS-ID: mo07 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70891 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2007 22:52:59 +0000 (UTC) I have, as you can see if you look closely at a shot from a time and a = place where you have been, too ;) http://matrixsynth.blogspot.com/2006/10/y2k-international-loop-festival.h= tml The 1616 has the same effects as the M version has, only different converters/pres. Don't even think about using a cardbus converter in conjunction with a Presonus interface. A friend of mine has the small (no pres) firewire interface by Presonus and suffered problems to no end... I'm really into that integrated DSP effects idea...you know how I use resources on the computer - I might be the only guy running a music = computer constantly at 80-90% CPU load ;). Rainer =20 > -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- > Von: Krispen Hartung [mailto:khartung@cableone.net]=20 > Gesendet: Donnerstag, 7. Juni 2007 00:27 > An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Betreff: Re: still on the interface quest... >=20 > Have you checked out the pre-sonus firebox? >=20 > http://www.presonus.com/firebox.html >=20 > I think it meets most of your specs, except the effects (it=20 > comes with Cubebase LE). I was ready to buy one the other=20 > day, but my ThinkPad T60p doesn't have firewire...so I would=20 > have to buy a cardbus converter. Pisses me off. I am getting=20 > the E-MU 1616 Cardbus for now, and am thinking of getting my=20 > very first mac next January (for my 40th B-Day). I think this=20 > is simlar to the M version, but without the effects. >=20 > Kris >=20 >=20 >=20 > ----- Original Message -----=20 >=20 >=20 > > Dear fellow laptoploopers, > > > > some of you might remember my quest for the ideal audio (and MIDI)=20 > > interface > > to work with a computer, which was based on these requirements: > > > > * at least two micpres > > * symmetrical outs > > * S/PDIF in/out coax > > * headphone connector with level knob > > > > And I'd also like to see a few DSP effects to take load=20 > away from my main > > computer...mainly something for the vocal channel=20 > (compressor, EQ etc.)=20 > > and > > for the 2bus (same here), and perhaps some reverb... > > > > The one I had set my eyes on was the TC Electronics Konnekt=20 > 24D or Live,=20 > > but > > it seems that it only has one channel strip available on=20 > its DSP, great as > > it may be... > > > > I've seen yet another device in this field: the E-Mu 1616M.=20 > Anyone has > > experiences with this one? > > > > Rainer > > > >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 6 23:28:37 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A27533BEF5; Wed, 6 Jun 2007 23:28:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=HR0bnwJ7CfLm2KWxvCGGRmbKN8mda8FNrkPjgpMuPHGgbyRX2Gmosxaa7QA5HK7dYAxUSrw8hcvEOpJwcYTVlTvklTEdxnja8FU/JMKh9ecRCsSBUmXnccZZtnQ8kpUh0xNG4WSB+MzszFbTGFGstKHI9lb6ZhQViWLCeEJ9/Rs= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=R5KNjVn6xC1VLfh5xN5zgCNk8VCA6DdcEod70DgtzrzJrExVwq/Rmmg7LDt534zu2i83c7s6KzP0AGcbBnmubedc4w/WZc/6YhrTpzLd0ui9FOxPzB+dDRg+Vf5hX6jBuYuakBro2Z+Fhp9aqkgO/gWjYfcUIEH9TapYpWvkK8k= Message-ID: Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2007 16:28:35 -0700 From: "Michael Billow" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: AW: do we need a forum ? In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_38284_13764468.1181172515364" References: <49433.68.123.26.152.1180761233.squirrel@webmail.zerocrossing.net> <20070602051836.56BA33BEF0@arsenic.violacea.com> <49460.68.123.26.152.1180761804.squirrel@webmail.zerocrossing.net> <6397626.1180762545471.JavaMail.root@m11> <46670E5A.9090301@soundscapes.us> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70892 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2007 23:28:37 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_38284_13764468.1181172515364 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Precisely. On 6/6/07, Doug Cox wrote: > > Not looking for any advice, just wanna give some, huh? :) > On 6/6/07, Michael Billow wrote: > > > > Thanks but I really wasn't looking for advice here. My suggestion was to > > help the group by simply adding the title in the heading of emails sent > > out.It's really such a simple and basic idea. I am a member of 15 or so > > other e-groups like this one, and they all include the name in the header. > > This is the only one that doesn't. > > > > On 6/6/07, Bill Fox < billyfox@soundscapes.us> wrote: > > > > Try filtering on other fields like Sender or Reply To. Also try cutting > > > > out extra text from your replies. No need to quote an entire thread. > > > > Cheers, > > > > Bill > > > > Michael Billow wrote: > > > > Personally it would be helpful if the moderator could put > > > > "LoopersDelight" in the heading of all emails sent out, like my > > > other > > > > Yahoo groups do - I can deal with lots of emails, but it gets > > > > difficult to sort these out from my regular emails without that > > > > distinction in the subject line. > > > > > > > > > > > > ------=_Part_38284_13764468.1181172515364 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Precisely.

On 6/6/07, Doug Cox <uncledig@gmail.com> wrote:
Not looking for any advice, just wanna give some, huh? :)

On 6/6/07, Michael Billow < mbillow@gmail.com> wrote:
Thanks but I really wasn't looking for advice here. My suggestion was to help the group by simply adding the title in the heading of emails sent out.It's really such a simple and basic idea. I am a member of 15 or so other e-groups like this one, and they all include the name in the header. This is the only one that doesn't.

On 6/6/07, Bill Fox < billyfox@soundscapes.us> wrote:

Try filtering on other fields like Sender or Reply To.  Also try cutting
out extra text from your replies.  No need to quote an entire thread.

Cheers,

Bill

Michael Billow wrote:
> Personally it would be helpful if the moderator could put
> "LoopersDelight" in the heading of all emails sent out, like my other
> Yahoo groups do - I can deal with lots of emails, but it gets
> difficult to sort these out from my regular emails without that
> distinction in the subject line.

------=_Part_38284_13764468.1181172515364-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 6 23:37:53 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 592423BF17; Wed, 6 Jun 2007 23:37:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: References: <001a01c7a887$38f10780$1001a8c0@succubus> <043001c7a889$cbb7ba30$6401a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Josh Carroll Subject: Re: still on the interface quest... Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2007 18:37:48 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - chara.lunarpages.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - infinivert.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70893 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2007 23:37:53 +0000 (UTC) Congrats on the Mac! I'm loving mine as well. I had some hassle trying to get Windows to work via Parallels. Have you had any success running audio apps in Windows (Mobius perhaps) while running other apps on the Mac side simultaneously? It sound like a pipe dream to me, but if it's at all workable, I'd be willing to give Parallels another shot. --Josh On Jun 6, 2007, at 5:43 PM, Doug Wellington wrote: >> thinking of getting my very first mac next January (for my 40th B- >> Day). > > Just a wee lad, eh? I figure anyone younger than me is just a young > punk. Punk! ;-) > > I think you'll like the Mac though. I've been using Macs for several > years (only since OS X came out though), and a Macbook since last > fall, and I love it. I'm running Parallels and Winders XP on it, so I > figure I have the best of all worlds... > > Doug (I better set up more email filters...) > > http://www.analognotes.com > http://www.stoogepanels.com > http://www.softsampling.com > http://www.dougwellington.com > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 6 23:56:14 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2206B3BF19; Wed, 6 Jun 2007 23:56:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <013501c7a896$42becdb0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "RICK WALKER" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Cc: "KID BEYOND" Subject: Looper Kid Beyond in Computer Music Magazine (UK) Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2007 16:56:11 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Spam-Flag: YES X-Spam-Status: Yes, score=1.4 required=1.0 tests=AWL,FH_HOST_EQ_D_D_D_D, RDNS_DYNAMIC,STOX_REPLY_TYPE,TVD_RCVD_SINGLE autolearn=disabled version=3.2.0 X-Spam-Report: * 0.0 STOX_REPLY_TYPE STOX_REPLY_TYPE * 2.0 FH_HOST_EQ_D_D_D_D Host starts with d-d-d-d * 0.3 TVD_RCVD_SINGLE TVD_RCVD_SINGLE * 0.1 RDNS_DYNAMIC Delivered to trusted network by host with * dynamic-looking rDNS * -1.0 AWL AWL: From: address is in the auto white-list X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.0 (2007-05-01) on mail.cruzio.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70894 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2007 23:56:14 +0000 (UTC) I just got the latest issue of Computer Music Magazine (UK - issue 113, June 2007)) today from the newstand and was thrilled to see a huge full color, four page article on our own Kid Beyond. Congratulations, Andrew, this is an honor that is really well deserved and another press milestone for the live looping community! sincerely, Rick From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 7 00:59:33 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2BECD3BEFC; Thu, 7 Jun 2007 00:59:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [4.246.75.208] X-Originating-Email: [sambacomet@hotmail.com] X-Sender: sambacomet@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: From: "samba -" To: wayne@GSJ.ORG, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: World Peace Gong.com Date: Wed, 06 Jun 2007 17:59:26 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Jun 2007 00:59:28.0516 (UTC) FILETIME=[198B1440:01C7A89F] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70895 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2007 00:59:33 +0000 (UTC) Didn't Bush play a gong when he visited Indonesia ? And the symbolisim there? _________________________________________________________________ Make every IM count. Download Messenger and join the i’m Initiative now. It’s free. http://im.live.com/messenger/im/home/?source=TAGHM_June07 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 7 04:13:31 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 13BE53BEF0; Thu, 7 Jun 2007 04:13:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <49433.68.123.26.152.1180761233.squirrel@webmail.zerocrossing.net> <20070602051836.56BA33BEF0@arsenic.violacea.com> <49460.68.123.26.152.1180761804.squirrel@webmail.zerocrossing.net> <6397626.1180762545471.JavaMail.root@m11> <46670E5A.9090301@soundscapes.us> Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2007 00:12:11 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Charles Zwicky Subject: Re: AW: do we need a forum ? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-ELNK-Trace: e070562f4b6af5994d2b10475b571120e156d55ac8dfdf11bae9c2990fee5d4c6f1e7f7b29ba03d0350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 69.86.208.154 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70896 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2007 04:13:31 +0000 (UTC) Apart fron not having a server to host a forum, I can see no reason why not. E-mail lists are a pain. Get with the program, folks, it's 2007... In a forum, you can CHOOSE what topics you would like to read, respond to, etc... This email shit is for the birds.. -- ... http://www.zmix.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 7 05:09:30 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 105C93BEF9; Thu, 7 Jun 2007 05:09:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Wed, 06 Jun 2007 13:09:43 -0400 From: "David Kirkdorffer" Subject: Re: the best.... the worst.... To: Message-id: <001401c7a85d$7a4add20$0affff0a@hppav> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1478 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1478 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0011_01C7A83B.F2AB5500" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70897 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2007 05:09:30 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0011_01C7A83B.F2AB5500 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable This is a real issue. Worst: loneliness of the solo looper ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Neil Goldstein=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2007 3:58 PM Subject: Re: the best.... the worst.... Best: don't need to depend on anybody else Worst: loneliness of the solo looper ------=_NextPart_000_0011_01C7A83B.F2AB5500 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
This is a real issue.

Worst: loneliness of the solo looper

----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Neil = Goldstein

To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20

Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2007 = 3:58=20 PM

Subject: Re: the best.... the=20 worst....

Best: don't need to depend on anybody = else

Worst:=20 loneliness of the solo looper
------=_NextPart_000_0011_01C7A83B.F2AB5500-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 7 05:46:07 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 24F123BEF3; Thu, 7 Jun 2007 05:46:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=tNIZ61O7z/DADAIev+BB3X+AWqdjs70DBYw431SPFuVFE0YLzo5UK67ihpPIflDTptiE2zLba7N0Ks5wcZ8737Ekd9otX62OYUIA5yzsZotadYdpE7ZYVDnnQCDT7GagT0Zyaq/HxyQuiw1dvH3IL3KQMymATI9bhf6ntxUmVyo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=Hzio3FMhuOJNRiO8nMFcCTcbWhaHA1CITzTmvZk4Dsv4T7lC0tI9X7VmwZVlhnuIPn8N80/6NmPTanxb0Aqk3OYv5pctEbP1SqhYFXDjU+A2S0SwqzTqi9OphbSH42BSJ3YYGQcWzI89okcaZqGpHrtseOy8xQ53pbxRhlQbiNM= Message-ID: Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2007 22:46:04 -0700 From: "Doug Wellington" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: AW: do we need a forum ? In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <49433.68.123.26.152.1180761233.squirrel@webmail.zerocrossing.net> <20070602051836.56BA33BEF0@arsenic.violacea.com> <49460.68.123.26.152.1180761804.squirrel@webmail.zerocrossing.net> <6397626.1180762545471.JavaMail.root@m11> <46670E5A.9090301@soundscapes.us> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70898 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2007 05:46:07 +0000 (UTC) > In a forum, you can CHOOSE what topics you would like to read, > respond to, etc... How is that different from email? I looked in my inbox, I saw this subject, I chose to read it, and I even took the bait you offered... ;-) In email, I can delete something or mark it with a star to catch my attention later. Can you do that on a forum? -- -Doug http://www.analognotes.com http://www.stoogepanels.com http://www.softsampling.com http://www.dougwellington.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 7 06:28:31 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1F5843BEFC; Thu, 7 Jun 2007 06:28:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <49433.68.123.26.152.1180761233.squirrel@webmail.zerocrossing.net> <20070602051836.56BA33BEF0@arsenic.violacea.com> <49460.68.123.26.152.1180761804.squirrel@webmail.zerocrossing.net> <6397626.1180762545471.JavaMail.root@m11> <46670E5A.9090301@soundscapes.us> Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2007 02:28:20 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Charles Zwicky Subject: Re: AW: do we need a forum ? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-ELNK-Trace: e070562f4b6af5994d2b10475b571120e156d55ac8dfdf11ab58e402712b1d6fe5c61cfd62608284350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 69.86.208.154 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70899 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2007 06:28:31 +0000 (UTC) >>In a forum, you can CHOOSE what topics you would like to read, >>respond to, etc... > >How is that different from email? I looked in my inbox, I saw this >subject, I chose to read it, and I even took the bait you offered... >;-) > >In email, I can delete something or mark it with a star to catch my >attention later. Can you do that on a forum? Of course you can! But , honestly, why is this even a debate? Anyone who uses a forum daily will attest to it's superiority. I get hundreds of emails per day, and every day I am inches away from pulling the plug on Looper's delight due to the volume of EDP / Repeater / (etc) -centric topics. That is sad, since there is much here that is fun and interesting. In a forum you have the luxury of not having to curate.... AND... Topics can flourish, fueled by and read only by the interested parties. "Argue your limitations and they are yours to keep forever...." -- ... http://www.zmix.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 7 06:58:06 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3D3BA3BEF3; Thu, 7 Jun 2007 06:58:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: still on the interface quest...laptops w/o Firewire Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2007 08:58:24 +0200 Organization: Moinlabs Message-ID: <000c01c7a8d1$3e167980$1001a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: Aceoic3LeszrZ62nS2iSbvneMgTgkgARwKhw X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 In-Reply-To: <043001c7a889$cbb7ba30$6401a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> X-RZG-AUTH: lUESeo99iNzPL8kuBgLYdKEqUywq9cxqeRA+BtFcSCD5deQ7OINOKCAu3PA= X-RZG-CLASS-ID: mo07 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70900 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2007 06:58:06 +0000 (UTC) > comes with Cubebase LE). I was ready to buy one the other > day, but my ThinkPad T60p doesn't have firewire...so I would As a post scriptum to that topic, and to help you refrain from going Mac: There's this one: http://www.marian.de/products/ucon_cx USB 2.0, halfrack, four (!) micpres, TOSLINK I/O, two MIDI pairs. I don't know about Marian's skills regarding analogue/mixed signal (pres, converters), but I have two ADAT interface boards by them which work like a charm. Rainer From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 7 07:02:19 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 75ECC3BEFC; Thu, 7 Jun 2007 07:02:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=gATuxs6Wc0glHiErfimvLgJDk8b5IwPrEbzpDuj6WUJ6WbdjFWX/xlIKlxUy5qd9qjdU/R146vErzbFZBrYInZKDlXLoIx0RHd3lDyKQwi0wD4dayZT1TPXdWQiLMZjXjR2Nv18oFrK+P4LItlFVv4KxUXn0wO5b9kfkHFKkywY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=eMkDQ+2wu51TZ14F2c/f+ns0LbPCjq8K/DmUXYBy4Jrj0S5g4M/VUFVGJVOSVpYIIlaDNpfzH4J9ukKOuo6cvf6sSGWnWKPLosg+PUsae/grMqZ+cIiJw230l5BwoKLSLY57R7ZosTIXdRiSqT8pJgKMKvy693DmJ6qI7n6pK6o= Message-ID: <8390c9ac0706070002g1e23d01coa076b099c74d8ba6@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2007 15:02:17 +0800 From: Alwyn To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: AW: do we need a forum ? In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <49433.68.123.26.152.1180761233.squirrel@webmail.zerocrossing.net> <20070602051836.56BA33BEF0@arsenic.violacea.com> <49460.68.123.26.152.1180761804.squirrel@webmail.zerocrossing.net> <6397626.1180762545471.JavaMail.root@m11> <46670E5A.9090301@soundscapes.us> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70901 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2007 07:02:19 +0000 (UTC) email's advantage is that you can store it and make your own personal backup of it. Using Gmail or another threaded email client makes reading this list pretty much just like a forum. don't read those that you don't like. yeah, sure you can do the same thing on forums, but i've tended to find forums to be less about discussions on the topic and more about post-whoring. problems with forums are the server needs to be far more powerful than is required for a simple mailing list, and then storage. that's my 2(local-currency-unit) [zar] From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 7 09:38:12 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CAC0C3BEFB; Thu, 7 Jun 2007 09:38:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-priority:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=l/V2HQiuiatlczZB3JLqrOIg1+O9ZblirDpp2AEueAOE/cYbNeaEycTUilYpLNhvsyHPgCwOZDF6N3XATwyhI0b9pJhdjpM4sUOkNUTyCZmVJaY1CWah23evFZbEveTaeyIfxlBgATGUvPYf9azNLGJ7eFdiuQ1LULqAr9UnAME= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-priority:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=BM6Vnshb7dyvNnRj1eCpkXE0e0L31PDhTBO5oy13PjkBPaGG5Y5aooOa9bCR9tgfeGIkYdVRgw1K0zHeJ7Gioaoq7vR/7jatxzLMKZ0hUqJGx77jHmS0JZ3YCF27xZsjs7w/4UDlrJBzP7TiG/znKwQmJffRQvrC9wrdTNU6qpM= In-Reply-To: <043001c7a889$cbb7ba30$6401a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> References: <001a01c7a887$38f10780$1001a8c0@succubus> <043001c7a889$cbb7ba30$6401a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: still on the interface quest... Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2007 11:38:08 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: <2uZkyD.A.WvD.EI9ZGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70902 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2007 09:38:12 +0000 (UTC) On 7 jun 2007, at 00.26, Krispen Hartung wrote: > ThinkPad T60p doesn't have firewire...so I would have to buy a > cardbus converter. Pisses me off. I am getting the E-MU 1616 > Cardbus for now, and am thinking of getting my very first mac next > January (for my 40th B-Day). See your point. I use both mac and pc laptops and the ability to natively power up a firewire interface is one of the things I like best with the mac. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://www.myspace.com/looproom http://www.jamendo.com/en/artist/per.boysen/ http://www.jamendo.com/en/artist/lo.fi.lazer/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 7 10:01:25 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7725D3BEFB; Thu, 7 Jun 2007 10:01:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: still on the interface quest...firewire bus power Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2007 12:01:42 +0200 Organization: Moinlabs Message-ID: <000001c7a8ea$d9d29a20$1001a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: Thread-Index: Aceo55EumuTil3tSSKirJ/n3x+aqsQAAvoBg X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-RZG-AUTH: lUESeo99iNzPL8kuBgLYdKEqUywq9cxqeRA+BtFcSCD5deQ7OIWEFJZINw== X-RZG-CLASS-ID: mo07 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70903 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2007 10:01:25 +0000 (UTC) > See your point. I use both mac and pc laptops and the ability > to natively power up a firewire interface is one of the > things I like best with the mac. There is still one caveat here, though: Firewire buspower is specified for a maximum constant current draw of (I think) 1.5A, which a lot of firewire hosts do not provide or do not provide in a clean fashion. So "try before you buy" is an important recommendation here, and don't forget to try it on the laptop's battery power (if you're going to use that, that is). Rainer From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 7 10:31:39 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3753A3BEEA; Thu, 7 Jun 2007 10:31:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-SBRS: None X-SenderGroup: RELAYLIST X-MailFlowPolicy: $RELAYED X-MID: 603022455 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: Vintage Roland G33 and GR33B analog bass synthesizer.. Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2007 11:31:37 +0100 Message-ID: <1BB076E4C332F9469148F41725F17A7203994798@MTVNE-EXCLUST02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Vintage Roland G33 and GR33B analog bass synthesizer.. Thread-Index: Aceo7wcepZf/e835QWaQEK8NmGxVlw== References: <57518.65.160.58.240.1181152828.squirrel@webmail.helpwantedproductions.com> From: "Goddard, Duncan" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Jun 2007 10:31:36.0908 (UTC) FILETIME=[06DC00C0:01C7A8EF] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70904 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2007 10:31:39 +0000 (UTC) damn damn damn. I would bite your arm off for the whole deal if I didn't already have 30 basses, including two peavey midibases (sic) & a variax & a gr-1 guitar synth I was local enough to avoid shipping I had been paid this week I had room I didn't have so many moogs & things...... damn.=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 7 10:39:21 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9BD983BEFF; Thu, 7 Jun 2007 10:39:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2007 06:40:56 -0400 From: Bill Fox Subject: Listen to Afterglow, Galactic Travels, and two extra Programs To: undisclosed-recipients: ; Message-id: <4667E0B8.4090406@soundscapes.us> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.12 (Windows/20070509) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70905 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2007 10:39:21 +0000 (UTC) AFTERGLOW ON WMUH: http://soundscapes.us/afterglow ======================================================================= Afterglow airs from 8:00 am to 9:30 am every Thursday morning. Tune in for a delightful mix of eclectic musical genres including a healthy dose of Progressive Rock. Tune in at 91.7 FM or on the internet at: http://muhlenberg.edu/wmuh GALACTIC TRAVELS ON WDIY: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt ======================================================================= Tonight at 11 pm on Galactic Travels, I'll begin a month-long Special Focus on Robert Rich who will play at NEARfest at the end of the month. The Featured CD at Midnight will be "Atlas Dei" by Robert Rich on Soundscape Records. The Vinyl Starter will be from the LP "Computer Don't Break Down" by Don Slepian on Don and Judy Records and released in 1981. For details, see the Special Focus page at: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2007/focus.html#jun Galactic Travels is an electronic, ambient, and space music show that airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg, 93.7 FM in Fogelsville and Trexlertown, on the internet, and in High Definition Radio at 88.1 FM. EXTRA SHOW ON WMUH: http://soundscapes.us/afterglow ======================================================================= I will tackle an extra shift from 2:00 to 5:00 pm on Friday, June 8, playing the best in contemporary Progressive Rock. Tune in at 91.7 FM or on the internet at http://muhlenberg.edu/wmuh EXTRA SHOW ON WDIY: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt ======================================================================= At 11 pm on Friday, June 8,, I'll be doing my fourth radio program of the week, filling in on the Late Night Alternative show. I dare say that Progressive Rock will certainly be an alternative from what usually gets played at WDIY! ====================================================================== All times are EDT / GMT-4. Listen on-line to WDIY at http://wdiy.org and click LISTEN or go directly to: http://rm1.refugemedia.com/ramgen/encoder/wdiy.rm Listen on-line to WMUH at http://www.muhlenberg.edu/wmuh and click the REAL AUDIO link or go directly to: rtsp://helix.muhlenberg.edu:554/broadcast/live.rm From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 7 11:15:33 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C41643BEFC; Thu, 7 Jun 2007 11:15:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=e8/jarGHxNyzTi2ccuga01udHyz0ZQ7L9RiaZXP2BLhCWFbC00vUM/Efs6YDwXCIWn3mGnvzuS+yNLCgoDYvI1LJfzGMN/FIjfAIpzmd6PEC86tqjmXwlPViAd53AvCR7TsOD9tOc/T4kLzDTX4QGr4Z/waxEhOvStfCZxAlCWw=; X-YMail-OSG: QlqJHqcVM1nCkvHALS76.JN9vr8YNx4GX.caXYdSZBBwWLH4yiOZiRFScmd_ag5KSmT1oGdQMtOpWVXTJ5zVr3SRi6alpaESD3nCf9mctXPz.ZSMEoI- Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2007 04:15:29 -0700 (PDT) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: New Repeater hardware upgrade? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <380503.82276.qm@web38610.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: <7zliwC.A.iSF.Uj-ZGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70906 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2007 11:15:32 +0000 (UTC) It is still not clear to me what section of the repeaters hardware has been modified or different than the original,i wrote them a mail and they just replied that the new machines will be available at guitar center in september and as far as the hardware mods they are still in the final touches,anybody remebers? Luis www.myspace.com/luisangulocom ____________________________________________________________________________________ Boardwalk for $500? In 2007? Ha! Play Monopoly Here and Now (it's updated for today's economy) at Yahoo! Games. http://get.games.yahoo.com/proddesc?gamekey=monopolyherenow From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 7 11:29:45 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0F31A3BF0F; Thu, 7 Jun 2007 11:29:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <005b01c7a8f7$01df5330$0207a8c0@eluk1> From: "Stephen Goodman" To: References: Subject: Re: World Peace Gong.com Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2007 12:28:40 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="Windows-1252"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70907 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2007 11:29:44 +0000 (UTC) Regional instrument? ----- Original Message ----- From: "samba -" To: ; Sent: Thursday, 7 June, 2007 01:59 AM Subject: Re: World Peace Gong.com > Didn't Bush play a gong when he visited Indonesia ? And the symbolisim > there? > > _________________________________________________________________ > Make every IM count. Download Messenger and join the i’m Initiative now. > It’s free. http://im.live.com/messenger/im/home/?source=TAGHM_June07 > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 7 11:49:31 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 12AD43BF13; Thu, 7 Jun 2007 11:49:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <005e01c7a8f9$c56d0d90$0207a8c0@eluk1> From: "Stephen Goodman" To: References: <465F2B78.9060608@biink.com> <29930036.1180642869690.JavaMail.root@m11> <465F5E2E.9030009@soundscapes.us> <20063149.1180670699195.JavaMail.root@m11> <46670D73.6030402@soundscapes.us> Subject: Re: NJ Looping Festival Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2007 12:48:29 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="windows-1250"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70908 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2007 11:49:30 +0000 (UTC) I at first wanted to suggest the old Emerald City club in Cherry Hill, NJ - I saw the Psychedelic Furs on their first tour there in something like '80/81 - but the place closed apparently in 1983 according to this page. http://www.discomusic.com/clubs-more/6583_0_6_0_C/ The sound system was wonderful, and lots of nooks and crannies to explore (a leftover from its days as a [gag] disco). Talking Heads, even Alice Cooper played there in '81. Alas, it seems this place was turned into a studio before disappearing, though the domain's paid upto 2009... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Fox" To: Sent: Wednesday, 6 June, 2007 20:39 PM Subject: Re: NJ Looping Festival > Tony K wrote: >> You did the soundscape shows at the Icehouse in Bethlehem, didn't you? >> How >> was that? Nice place? Bethlehem is only an 1.5 hour drive from NYC. >> Bethlehem is a nice town. And they love their music (Musikfest and >> NEARFest) > Yes I did... until they started requiring a $1,000,000 liability policy. > The cost is greater than ticket sales, effectively putting me out of > business until I find a new venue! The Ice House is a great > venue and will be hard to beat. > > shit :( > > Bill > http://soundscapes.us > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 7 12:19:43 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8AFCF3BF11; Thu, 7 Jun 2007 12:19:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-SBRS: None X-SenderGroup: RELAYLIST X-MailFlowPolicy: $RELAYED X-MID: 724232619 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: still on the interface quest... Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2007 13:19:40 +0100 Message-ID: <1BB076E4C332F9469148F41725F17A72039948B2@MTVNE-EXCLUST02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: still on the interface quest... Thread-Index: Aceo/h8qiDC86CLJTq+YdejrKRmxQQ== References: From: "Goddard, Duncan" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Jun 2007 12:19:42.0143 (UTC) FILETIME=[205C54F0:01C7A8FE] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70909 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2007 12:19:43 +0000 (UTC) >>I had some hassle trying to get Windows to work via Parallels. Have you had any success running audio apps in Windows (Mobius perhaps) while running other apps on the Mac side simultaneously? It sound like a pipe dream to me, but if it's at all workable, I'd be willing to give Parallels another shot.<< I use parallels on my MBP so that I can run vegas (4 or 5- I haven't bought the later versions because I'm quite happy with what I've got) & the only issues I've had are=20 1) it can't talk to the superdrive, so I can't make CDs straight out of vegas. yet. the new parallels release due any day now is going to fix this, we're told.=20 2) if I'm running parallels in full-screen mode, sometimes there isn't enough horsepower left over after all the screen redrawing to keep the audio happening, especially with a lot of tracks/plug-ins. if I use "coherence" mode, the screen driving seems to be handled by the mac OS instead of the guest OS & things improve dramatically. I'm using w2k sp4 as the guest. what I haven't tried (& with me it's a cultural thing as much as anything else) is running anything like "live" or "reason" on the pc-half & the mac-half at the same time. I don't know if the networking between the two "machines" would allow midi syncing or anything. but running apps on both OSs at the same time? no problem.=20 'pon the interface thing- I've been looking at the alesis offerings- they do a normal-looking analogue mixer which can deliver audio via firewire from each of it's 16 inputs + the stereo mix; very tempting at the pricepoint. there's also a non-mixer interface that does more or less the same, but which for some reason is at the same price. has anyone used either? d. =20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 7 12:57:15 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1244A3BF11; Thu, 7 Jun 2007 12:57:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=Bxfo+1d3SXx7aZipp5nkdPbga227ZcQk0AbkP3KHJpL0AJMrxeKXVF5R0ncIepAjvWXGZYEJb95/kbfCBj5I//cS3dRh42fwAfv+SnoaVMc0NA0/xJMtcczjWRgWpMMnsORX8NdmclmTKEz+iO3Y8DLcmxJpA3o11YwDQCRziAY= ; Message-ID: <20070607125712.82286.qmail@web34303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: X5O4BZsVM1n.A3saMmy8suBpRYVAuZWXnbogx9I7hP._Z_0zMGom.jDZxG2DI1_cGJzVYtzQtTJ0IgiRd3RtOL_zDs0oVNKxuGwnehdEB6OVD1UJXU.iEoepXdtibQ-- Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2007 05:57:12 -0700 (PDT) From: ditch wrestler Subject: OT: cassette -> mp3 To: Loopers Delight MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1217079021-1181221032=:81318" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70910 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2007 12:57:14 +0000 (UTC) --0-1217079021-1181221032=:81318 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I've spent the last 4 and a bit months loading my cd's into itunes. And it's now time to tackle the two medium-sized boxes of cassettes in my closet... I would like to keep this as stone-simple as possible as I ain't no techno-weenie. But I know there's more than just a few techno-weenies here, so that's way I'm asking... Can I do this with just an rca to 1/8" male trs cable to run my cassette deck into my soundcard, xp, and itunes? My machine is a hamster-driven P3 and I'm hoping to avoid anything that a) costs money, b) will slow down my already slow computer, and c) not turn this into a labour-intensive, "hovering over my computer for the entire length of the cassette" event. Yeah, not asking for too much, am I? ;-) I know already once I upload the cassette, that I'm going to have to go back and put markers into to seperate the songs so this isn't going to be like itunes where I can just toss in the cd and walk away. And if I just had a handful of cassettes, I'd find some local studio and pay them to do it for me but I figure I've got at least 200 cassettes of stuff that's either oop, bootlegs, really obscure, etc. that can't be found on cd... Sorry for the interuption of the regularly schedule LD content. Feel free to contact me off-line. Thanks in advance. ditchwrestler (aka ted). "Indeed, naturally I think that a film should have a beginning, middle, and an end — but not necessarily in that order." Jean Luc Goddard --------------------------------- Take the Internet to Go: Yahoo!Go puts the Internet in your pocket: mail, news, photos & more. --0-1217079021-1181221032=:81318 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
I've spent the last 4 and a bit months loading my cd's into itunes. And it's now time to tackle the two medium-sized boxes of cassettes in my closet...

I would like to keep this as stone-simple as possible as I ain't no techno-weenie. But I know there's more than just a few techno-weenies here, so that's way I'm asking...

Can I do this with just an rca to 1/8" male trs cable to run my cassette deck into my soundcard, xp, and itunes?

My machine is a hamster-driven P3 and I'm hoping to avoid anything that a) costs money, b) will slow down my already slow computer, and c) not turn this into a labour-intensive, "hovering over my computer for the entire length of the cassette" event.

Yeah, not asking for too much, am I? ;-)

I know already once I upload the cassette, that I'm going to have to go back and put markers into to seperate the songs so this isn't going to be like itunes where I can just toss in the cd and walk away.

And if I just had a handful of cassettes, I'd find some local studio and pay them to do it for me but I figure I've got at least 200 cassettes of stuff that's either oop, bootlegs, really obscure, etc. that can't be found on cd...

Sorry for the interuption of the regularly schedule LD content. Feel free to contact me off-line. Thanks in advance.

ditchwrestler (aka ted).

"Indeed, naturally I think that a film should have a beginning, middle, and an end — but not necessarily in that order." Jean Luc Goddard

Take the Internet to Go: Yahoo!Go puts the Internet in your pocket: mail, news, photos & more. --0-1217079021-1181221032=:81318-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 7 13:07:39 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E888B3BF1A; Thu, 7 Jun 2007 13:07:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=5+fovt32PHmniOWXAl4akwxlwmcscwsN3kpFfO4xtqUQoZLkXFvfyEr6PGLSm4a3Q1gC+pBiC3nYcuGrArrG/Uh+3sKlsyaHHbKQSNtT/kz6Owe7I0YiZke+8P2pp/8Em6mxb+xpVQ6gCEqfg8hXS7UNGSaNpfkriUwHy88b8u4=; X-YMail-OSG: nwQ9XzYVM1kLv5tst2IKRvCfYYo2UrQzjsMo5ffBe5yqStLQZc8uOgLdV0CnQtCvM0buxmeTJA4efZnClqn9gOJS2WDyy73oRSB7tX1FBaHEbiddJJu.qSjlbg82zg-- Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2007 06:07:37 -0700 (PDT) From: Paul Richards Subject: Re: OT: cassette -> mp3 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20070607125712.82286.qmail@web34303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-184005869-1181221657=:97282" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <668959.97282.qm@web35104.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70911 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2007 13:07:38 +0000 (UTC) --0-184005869-1181221657=:97282 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit (Can I do this with just an rca to 1/8" male trs cable to run my cassette deck into my soundcard, xp) That's what I do except for the iTunes. I use GrooveMechanic that can be obtained over the 'net. It does the separation, if desired. It uses an add-on for MP3 creation, though (Razor Lame) that cost a small amount of $$$. Paul ditch wrestler wrote: I've spent the last 4 and a bit months loading my cd's into itunes. And it's now time to tackle the two medium-sized boxes of cassettes in my closet... I would like to keep this as stone-simple as possible as I ain't no techno-weenie. But I know there's more than just a few techno-weenies here, so that's way I'm asking... Can I do this with just an rca to 1/8" male trs cable to run my cassette deck into my soundcard, xp, and itunes? My machine is a hamster-driven P3 and I'm hoping to avoid anything that a) costs money, b) will slow down my already slow computer, and c) not turn this into a labour-intensive, "hovering over my computer for the entire length of the cassette" event. Yeah, not asking for too much, am I? ;-) I know already once I upload the cassette, that I'm going to have to go back and put markers into to seperate the songs so this isn't going to be like itunes where I can just toss in the cd and walk away. And if I just had a handful of cassettes, I'd find some local studio and pay them to do it for me but I figure I've got at least 200 cassettes of stuff that's either oop, bootlegs, really obscure, etc. that can't be found on cd... Sorry for the interuption of the regularly schedule LD content. Feel free to contact me off-line. Thanks in advance. ditchwrestler (aka ted). "Indeed, naturally I think that a film should have a beginning, middle, and an end — but not necessarily in that order." Jean Luc Goddard --------------------------------- Take the Internet to Go: Yahoo!Go puts the Internet in your pocket: mail, news, photos & more. --------------------------------- Yahoo! oneSearch: Finally, mobile search that gives answers, not web links. --0-184005869-1181221657=:97282 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
(Can I do this with just an rca to 1/8" male trs cable to run my cassette deck into my soundcard, xp)

That's what I do except for the iTunes. I use GrooveMechanic that can be obtained over the 'net. It does the separation, if desired. It uses an add-on for MP3 creation, though (Razor Lame) that cost a small amount of $$$.

Paul

ditch wrestler <ditchwrestler@yahoo.com> wrote:

I've spent the last 4 and a bit months loading my cd's into itunes. And it's now time to tackle the two medium-sized boxes of cassettes in my closet...

I would like to keep this as stone-simple as possible as I ain't no techno-weenie. But I know there's more than just a few techno-weenies here, so that's way I'm asking...

Can I do this with just an rca to 1/8" male trs cable to run my cassette deck into my soundcard, xp, and itunes?

My machine is a hamster-driven P3 and I'm hoping to avoid anything that a) costs money, b) will slow down my already slow computer, and c) not turn this into a labour-intensive, "hovering over my computer for the entire length of the cassette" event.

Yeah, not asking for too much, am I? ;-)

I know already once I upload the cassette, that I'm going to have to go back and put markers into to seperate the songs so this isn't going to be like itunes where I can just toss in the cd and walk away.

And if I just had a handful of cassettes, I'd find some local studio and pay them to do it for me but I figure I've got at least 200 cassettes of stuff that's either oop, bootlegs, really obscure, etc. that can't be found on cd...

Sorry for the interuption of the regularly schedule LD content. Feel free to contact me off-line. Thanks in advance.

ditchwrestler (aka ted).

"Indeed, naturally I think that a film should have a beginning, middle, and an end — but not necessarily in that order." Jean Luc Goddard

Take the Internet to Go: Yahoo!Go puts the Internet in your pocket: mail, news, photos & more.

Yahoo! oneSearch: Finally, mobile search that gives answers, not web links. --0-184005869-1181221657=:97282-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 7 13:15:13 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6615C3BF10; Thu, 7 Jun 2007 13:15:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at cavesofice.org Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2007 09:15:19 -0400 (EDT) From: burnett@pobox.com X-X-Sender: badger@giggles.cavesofice.org To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Re: AW: do we need a forum ? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: <49433.68.123.26.152.1180761233.squirrel@webmail.zerocrossing.net> <20070602051836.56BA33BEF0@arsenic.violacea.com> <49460.68.123.26.152.1180761804.squirrel@webmail.zerocrossing.net> <6397626.1180762545471.JavaMail.root@m11> <46670E5A.9090301@soundscapes.us> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70912 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2007 13:15:13 +0000 (UTC) On Thu, 7 Jun 2007, Charles Zwicky wrote: > Of course you can! But , honestly, why is this even a debate? > Anyone who uses a forum daily will attest to it's superiority. Umm, not "anyone". I don't agree with the "superiority" of the forum. And I use forums on a daily basis for other discussion groups. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 7 13:50:25 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F40C03BF12; Thu, 7 Jun 2007 13:50:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=bE9qCgLrXhPcj2lbD8gc9S7MTl5wBw89vednQP9+kJsTfcVjw/DaD1fqfGjMLMSjIgW4mPVstiHVZ5VmTBaSql/4zelw1j3I02eNFnQ3iKOs4eJ/I104/6+LwwXWbewaEL56jRXZOCi1PvRIaWhHiG6mGAAAqDFVMHlllmq2cDM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=U6gAumJSW9L+WxBLvmOQI47LAxwjHW7gY9IVVwzQqKe3OCEWnLb56lkEw4JHSqdPZEWminFBO0bTGr2IpcyS7C1hfe0mmZkn+L0RagnGQnCBzQHhQ4frQiTuemxM+BNtCFgC2M3RdVoskej7EMNhK0+zsCR0IYcs0XUzZeFVuaQ= Message-ID: Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2007 08:50:22 -0500 From: "Doug Cox" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: AW: do we need a forum ? In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_65485_11543809.1181224222664" References: <49433.68.123.26.152.1180761233.squirrel@webmail.zerocrossing.net> <20070602051836.56BA33BEF0@arsenic.violacea.com> <49460.68.123.26.152.1180761804.squirrel@webmail.zerocrossing.net> <6397626.1180762545471.JavaMail.root@m11> <46670E5A.9090301@soundscapes.us> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70913 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2007 13:50:24 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_65485_11543809.1181224222664 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline I'm going to bet that you've never administered and maintained one, though. :) On 6/7/07, Charles Zwicky wrote: ------=_Part_65485_11543809.1181224222664 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline I'm going to bet that you've never administered and maintained one, though. :)

On 6/7/07, Charles Zwicky < cazwicky@earthlink.net> wrote:

------=_Part_65485_11543809.1181224222664-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 7 13:50:42 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A8DD73BF20; Thu, 7 Jun 2007 13:50:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=ctkX9vju1iDfqlU64EYQn/iAyg1KFiItFIBakKarWZHxSgx1ApuDK4LtJ1WyORnGF9uhaUFxA+UqQhgysfN+NYlG5Vhh3uPWQS31pYGhGnaWsPSi51CoC+d0c0ErrIa/62ONykc/BOl7MM2bftFT6CLtJAmiT7mglpdtHAiMRS4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=qYd9RO43upAJ9DN1Ro7Z06zjWpNwJTwZiDtxRLXvovZJlVdpv1VjZ2GRG2C0vh0oREbQuDrBMZHRGKo7abjkruc8zrSHvCPr+sJvsIg6pvtmXITm9Lapmpbvrb+SXLKEJsIdgSQnv919qVOJzHIJf2av9lOV9lNRNnaR11kfcaA= Message-ID: <588ce11d0706070650t445799fcuffb0be42886c2c5f@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2007 06:50:40 -0700 From: "Art Simon" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: cassette -> mp3 In-Reply-To: <668959.97282.qm@web35104.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <20070607125712.82286.qmail@web34303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <668959.97282.qm@web35104.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70914 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2007 13:50:42 +0000 (UTC) Another nice and cheap piece of software is Microsoft's analog recorder (around $15). Microsoft has a page that describes recording cassettes onto the computer: http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowsmedia/knowledgecenter/howto/FromCas= settetoComputer_StepByStep.aspx or http://tinyurl.com/4mqsf I've used it for both lps and cassettes with good results. The only downside is that it records only in wma format. 320kps wma sounds fine to me and is sufficient for my needs. Good luck, On 6/7/07, Paul Richards wrote: > (Can I do this with just an rca to 1/8" male trs cable to run my cassette > deck into my soundcard, xp) > > That's what I do except for the iTunes. I use GrooveMechanic that can be > obtained over the 'net. It does the separation, if desired. It uses an > add-on for MP3 creation, though (Razor Lame) that cost a small amount of > $$$. > > Paul > > > ditch wrestler wrote: > > > I've spent the last 4 and a bit months loading my cd's into itunes. And > it's now time to tackle the two medium-sized boxes of cassettes in my > closet... > > I would like to keep this as stone-simple as possible as I ain't no > techno-weenie. But I know there's more than just a few techno-weenies he= re, > so that's way I'm asking... > > Can I do this with just an rca to 1/8" male trs cable to run my cassette > deck into my soundcard, xp, and itunes? > > My machine is a hamster-driven P3 and I'm hoping to avoid anything that a= ) > costs money, b) will slow down my already slow computer, and c) not turn > this into a labour-intensive, "hovering over my computer for the entire > length of the cassette" event. > > Yeah, not asking for too much, am I? ;-) > > I know already once I upload the cassette, that I'm going to have to go b= ack > and put markers into to seperate the songs so this isn't going to be like > itunes where I can just toss in the cd and walk away. > > And if I just had a handful of cassettes, I'd find some local studio and = pay > them to do it for me but I figure I've got at least 200 cassettes of stuf= f > that's either oop, bootlegs, really obscure, etc. that can't be found on > cd... > > Sorry for the interuption of the regularly schedule LD content. Feel fre= e > to contact me off-line. Thanks in advance. > > > ditchwrestler (aka ted). > > > "Indeed, naturally I think that a film should have a beginning, middle, a= nd > an end =97 but not necessarily in that order." Jean Luc Goddard > ________________________________ > Take the Internet to Go: Yahoo!Go puts the Internet in your pocket: mail= , > news, photos & more. > > > ________________________________ > Yahoo! oneSearch: Finally, mobile search that gives answers, not web link= s. > > --=20 Art Simon simart@null.net http://art.simon.tripod.com http://www.myspace.com/artsimon From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 7 13:54:47 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 59A403BF17; Thu, 7 Jun 2007 13:54:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=G6Qe2NbxlrFwX4ZTMEWz9gr+JL7ERWMQqiFtVluVWsRwi/RLkcuvxBKqjqNS1tF3tZBNDu5vmvp16Um1MlQU2GteGg2pPxyCeuAbtXzfBknRooPGQ212JLSVAgeFRvGtjZCtuCASfjS7CO0k6N42ByFSWTk35Gk7F5wFSJ3gbTs=; X-YMail-OSG: f1uaozUVM1n2aQ9qNWM7xULQymMXvqsAO5dtILQh Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2007 06:54:45 -0700 (PDT) From: Elmer Fuddski Subject: Re: AW: do we need a forum ? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1698946298-1181224485=:84717" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <558315.84717.qm@web38415.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70915 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2007 13:54:47 +0000 (UTC) --0-1698946298-1181224485=:84717 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I hope this thread dies real soon. This stuff is as boring as driving through Nevada in my rig! Jakie the truck-driving Looper Doug Cox wrote: I'm going to bet that you've never administered and maintained one, though. :) On 6/7/07, Charles Zwicky < cazwicky@earthlink.net> wrote: --------------------------------- Looking for earth-friendly autos? Browse Top Cars by "Green Rating" at Yahoo! Autos' Green Center. --0-1698946298-1181224485=:84717 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
I hope this thread dies real soon. This stuff is as boring as driving through Nevada in my rig!

Jakie the truck-driving Looper

Doug Cox <uncledig@gmail.com> wrote:

I'm going to bet that you've never administered and maintained one, though. :)

On 6/7/07, Charles Zwicky < cazwicky@earthlink.net> wrote:

Looking for earth-friendly autos?
Browse Top Cars by "Green Rating" at Yahoo! Autos' Green Center. --0-1698946298-1181224485=:84717-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 7 14:18:36 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EC0F83BF19; Thu, 7 Jun 2007 14:18:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=RB044MkImo7ovo4JIlygwC4aEfNGdvUIe7fGLTcTzHvpceeG2mse01KOYLRZZoz3uLvFzvUqA9RvXHCZhjNkExXFKhrDEi3e/ni55wmXz75RTpfb5cOJWKpsa0HoFE6dkrLnjuntOqxY1t6kIQavVMt9U+gJrjchNScWhEZlg6k= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=p3l3KE4n8iI5zkONyNubSWHNM9VaCfGFyHNllQVQtNmY8aLJzAbKd9JNew91bU3tPbSdt1fxgu0fDCkaHDrEkQNXKS4DDaLJLAr7ge86hCV2IXZP9n1NWrhu4xLM/3r1bgFlSw1xQVrxpugrk6VK53g8lJWh/gxut5q7CPCAP+Q= Message-ID: Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2007 10:18:33 -0400 From: "Tony K" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: cassette -> mp3 In-Reply-To: <588ce11d0706070650t445799fcuffb0be42886c2c5f@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_37434_4559907.1181225913869" References: <20070607125712.82286.qmail@web34303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <668959.97282.qm@web35104.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <588ce11d0706070650t445799fcuffb0be42886c2c5f@mail.gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70916 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2007 14:18:35 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_37434_4559907.1181225913869 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Audacity, free and easy. http://audacity.sourceforge.net/ Tony On 6/7/07, Art Simon wrote: > > Another nice and cheap piece of software is Microsoft's analog > recorder (around $15). Microsoft has a page that describes recording > cassettes onto the computer: > > http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowsmedia/knowledgecenter/howto/FromC= assettetoComputer_StepByStep.aspx > or > http://tinyurl.com/4mqsf > > I've used it for both lps and cassettes with good results. The only > downside is that it records only in wma format. 320kps wma sounds > fine to me and is sufficient for my needs. Good luck, > > > > On 6/7/07, Paul Richards wrote: > > (Can I do this with just an rca to 1/8" male trs cable to run my > cassette > > deck into my soundcard, xp) > > > > That's what I do except for the iTunes. I use GrooveMechanic that can b= e > > obtained over the 'net. It does the separation, if desired. It uses an > > add-on for MP3 creation, though (Razor Lame) that cost a small amount o= f > > $$$. > > > > Paul > > > > > > ditch wrestler wrote: > > > > > > I've spent the last 4 and a bit months loading my cd's into itunes. An= d > > it's now time to tackle the two medium-sized boxes of cassettes in my > > closet... > > > > I would like to keep this as stone-simple as possible as I ain't no > > techno-weenie. But I know there's more than just a few techno-weenies > here, > > so that's way I'm asking... > > > > Can I do this with just an rca to 1/8" male trs cable to run my cassett= e > > deck into my soundcard, xp, and itunes? > > > > My machine is a hamster-driven P3 and I'm hoping to avoid anything that > a) > > costs money, b) will slow down my already slow computer, and c) not tur= n > > this into a labour-intensive, "hovering over my computer for the entire > > length of the cassette" event. > > > > Yeah, not asking for too much, am I? ;-) > > > > I know already once I upload the cassette, that I'm going to have to go > back > > and put markers into to seperate the songs so this isn't going to be > like > > itunes where I can just toss in the cd and walk away. > > > > And if I just had a handful of cassettes, I'd find some local studio an= d > pay > > them to do it for me but I figure I've got at least 200 cassettes of > stuff > > that's either oop, bootlegs, really obscure, etc. that can't be found o= n > > cd... > > > > Sorry for the interuption of the regularly schedule LD content. Feel > free > > to contact me off-line. Thanks in advance. > > > > > > ditchwrestler (aka ted). > > > > > > "Indeed, naturally I think that a film should have a beginning, middle, > and > > an end =97 but not necessarily in that order." Jean Luc Goddard > > ________________________________ > > Take the Internet to Go: Yahoo!Go puts the Internet in your pocket: > mail, > > news, photos & more. > > > > > > ________________________________ > > Yahoo! oneSearch: Finally, mobile search that gives answers, not web > links. > > > > > > > -- > Art Simon > simart@null.net > http://art.simon.tripod.com > http://www.myspace.com/artsimon > > --=20 -=3D=3D-=3D-=3D- Tony ------=_Part_37434_4559907.1181225913869 Content-Type: text/html; charset=WINDOWS-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Audacity, free and easy.

http://audacity.sourceforge.net/

Tony

On 6/7/07, Art Simon <= ; simart@gmail.com> wrote:
Another nice and cheap piece of software is Microsoft&= #39;s analog
recorder (around $15). Microsoft has a page that describes recordingcassettes onto the computer:
http://tinyurl.com/4mqsf

I've used it for both lps an= d cassettes with good results. The only
downside is that it records only  in wma format. 320kps wma s= ounds
fine to me and is sufficient for my needs. Good luck,

<= br>On 6/7/07, Paul Richards <paulrichard_rocks@yahoo.com > wrote:
> (Can I do this with just an rca to 1/8" male t= rs cable to run my cassette
> deck into my soundcard, xp)
>
= > That's what I do except for the iTunes. I use GrooveMechanic that = can be
> obtained over the 'net. It does the separation, if desired. It= uses an
> add-on for MP3 creation, though (Razor Lame) that cost a s= mall amount of
> $$$.
>
> Paul
>
>
> di= tch wrestler < ditchwrestler@yahoo.com> = wrote:
>
>
> I've spent the last 4 and a bit months l= oading my cd's into itunes.  And
> it's now time to= tackle the two medium-sized boxes of cassettes in my
> closet...
>
> I would like to keep this as stone-simpl= e as possible as I ain't no
> techno-weenie.  But I kno= w there's more than just a few techno-weenies here,
> so that'= ;s way I'm asking...
>
> Can I do this with just an rca to 1/8" male trs cable= to run my cassette
> deck into my soundcard, xp, and itunes?
>=
> My machine is a hamster-driven P3 and I'm hoping to avoid anyt= hing that a)
> costs money, b) will slow down my already slow computer, and c) no= t turn
> this into a labour-intensive, "hovering over my compute= r for the entire
> length of the cassette" event.
>
> Yeah, not asking for too much, am I? ;-)
>
> I know alread= y once I upload the cassette, that I'm going to have to go back
>= and put markers into to seperate the songs so this isn't going to be l= ike
> itunes where I can just toss in the cd and walk away.
>
&= gt; And if I just had a handful of cassettes, I'd find some local studi= o and pay
> them to do it for me but I figure I've got at least 2= 00 cassettes of stuff
> that's either oop, bootlegs, really obscure, etc. that can'= ;t be found on
> cd...
>
> Sorry for the interuption of t= he regularly schedule LD content.  Feel free
> to contact m= e off-line.  Thanks in advance.
>
>
> ditchwrestler (aka ted).
>
>
> &= quot;Indeed, naturally I think that a film should have a beginning, middle,= and
> an end =97 but not necessarily in that order." Jean Luc G= oddard
>  ________________________________
>  Tak= e the Internet to Go: Yahoo!Go puts the Internet in your pocket: mail,
&= gt; news, photos & more.
>
>
>  ___________= _____________________
> Yahoo! oneSearch: Finally, mobile search that= gives answers, not web links.
>
>

--
Art Simon
simart@null.net
http:= //art.simon.tripod.com
h= ttp://www.myspace.com/artsimon

--
-=3D=3D-=3D= -=3D-
Tony ------=_Part_37434_4559907.1181225913869-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 7 14:38:30 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E87DB3BF12; Thu, 7 Jun 2007 14:38:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <002201c7a911$600d48d0$0207a8c0@eluk1> From: "Stephen Goodman" To: References: <20070607125712.82286.qmail@web34303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: cassette -> mp3 Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2007 15:37:27 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70917 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2007 14:38:30 +0000 (UTC) From: ditch wrestler > I've spent the last 4 and a bit months loading my cd's into itunes. And > it's now time to tackle the two medium-sized boxes of cassettes in my > closet... > > I would like to keep this as stone-simple as possible as I ain't no > techno-weenie. But I know there's more than just a few techno-weenies > here, so that's way I'm asking... > > Can I do this with just an rca to 1/8" male trs cable to run my cassette > deck into my soundcard, xp, and itunes? > > My machine is a hamster-driven P3 and I'm hoping to avoid anything that a) > costs money, b) will slow down my already slow computer, and c) not turn > this into a labour-intensive, "hovering over my computer for the entire > length of the cassette" event. > > Yeah, not asking for too much, am I? ;-) > > I know already once I upload the cassette, that I'm going to have to go > back and put markers into to seperate the songs so this isn't going to be > like itunes where I can just toss in the cd and walk away. > > And if I just had a handful of cassettes, I'd find some local studio and > pay them to do it for me but I figure I've got at least 200 cassettes of > stuff that's either oop, bootlegs, really obscure, etc. that can't be > found on cd... Know how you feel Ted! I was forced to contend with the over-twenty years of cassettes, many of them 4-track, and of course THOSE haven't been made for nearly ten years. I finally found a Yamaha MT4X that was less than fifteen years old, and have been using it to remaster those old tapes before they disintegrate. Here's the rub: mp3 sound quality really sucks in comparison with the good old non-digital cassette. If all one wants to do is throw them all onto your iPod (or whatever of the endless myriad of mp3 players out there) then straight encoding to mp3 is fine - encoding at 192 will give a brighter result than 128, but it's still not the fidelity of the cassette. If you want to also archive the tapes into a form you can turn into any format you like in the future, I recommend that you encode to something like a WAV format at the highest resolution your sound card/module can bear, then edit the singular WAV file into the separate files for each track, then burn it to a audio CD. This will not only give you a far more permanent and portable archive for your taped work, but also make encoding for iPod etc. much much simpler. Think of it in terms of the tasks involved: Tape -> MP3 (each cassette): 1. Record to MP3 file on the computer; 2. Edit the MP3 into separates for each track; 3. Edit the resultant MP3 files (renaming and changing properties to reflect title etc); 4. Upload to MP3 player etc.; 5. Archive MP3s to compact disc. Or, Tape -> CD -> MP3 player: 1. Record to WAV file on computer; 2. Edit WAV file into separates for each track; 3. Rename separates accordingly ("01 - Jimi Hendrix - Fire" etc); 4. Burn album to Audio CD; 5. Use MP3 player software to suck the higher-res music off the CD. Hope this helps. Stephen Goodman * * Cartoons about DVDs and Stuff * http://www.earthlight.net/HiddenTrack * The Loop Of The Week since 1996! * http://www.earthlight.net/Studios From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 7 14:52:21 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id ED1B13BF1B; Thu, 7 Jun 2007 14:52:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Qua Veda" To: Subject: RE: still on the interface quest... Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2007 07:52:07 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 In-Reply-To: Thread-Index: Aceo6FoMDGFjBVjhQCuhRW8hPSUh+AAKs32Q Message-Id: <200706070757437.SM09008@quahome> X-RBL-Warning: REVDNS: This E-mail was sent from a MUA/MTA 206.212.233.27 with no reverse DNS entry. X-Declude-Sender: qua@oregon.com [206.212.233.27] X-Declude-Spoolname: D1ce506be00007b02.smd X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude JunkMail (www.declude.com) for spam. Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70918 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2007 14:52:20 +0000 (UTC) I've been *very* happy with the PC (rackmt) that I bought from PC Audio Labs. They optimize the computers for audio and have great customer service and support. I will likely buy a laptop PC (with firewire, and optimized config) from them at some point. http://pcaudiolabs.com/daws_laptop.asp?cat=comp -Qua -----Original Message----- From: Per Boysen [mailto:perboysen@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2007 2:38 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: still on the interface quest... On 7 jun 2007, at 00.26, Krispen Hartung wrote: > ThinkPad T60p doesn't have firewire...so I would have to buy a cardbus > converter. Pisses me off. I am getting the E-MU 1616 Cardbus for now, > and am thinking of getting my very first mac next January (for my 40th > B-Day). See your point. I use both mac and pc laptops and the ability to natively power up a firewire interface is one of the things I like best with the mac. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://www.myspace.com/looproom http://www.jamendo.com/en/artist/per.boysen/ http://www.jamendo.com/en/artist/lo.fi.lazer/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 7 15:07:26 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E29943BF18; Thu, 7 Jun 2007 15:07:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: <1BB076E4C332F9469148F41725F17A72039948B2@MTVNE-EXCLUST02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> References: <1BB076E4C332F9469148F41725F17A72039948B2@MTVNE-EXCLUST02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <57AA4069-3ADE-4D24-BE31-1BA520FC1E33@infinivert.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Josh Carroll Subject: Re: still on the interface quest... Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2007 10:07:23 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - chara.lunarpages.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - infinivert.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70919 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2007 15:07:25 +0000 (UTC) Thanks! And I've looked at that Alesis unit myself. If I had the cash, That's likely what I would buy. --Josh On Jun 7, 2007, at 7:19 AM, Goddard, Duncan wrote: >>> I had some hassle trying to get Windows to work via Parallels. Have > you had any success running audio apps in Windows (Mobius perhaps) > while > running other apps on the Mac side simultaneously? It sound like a > pipe > dream to me, but if it's at all workable, I'd be willing to give > Parallels another shot.<< > > I use parallels on my MBP so that I can run vegas (4 or 5- I haven't > bought the later versions because I'm quite happy with what I've > got) & > the only issues I've had are > 1) it can't talk to the superdrive, so I can't make CDs straight > out of > vegas. yet. the new parallels release due any day now is going to fix > this, we're told. > 2) if I'm running parallels in full-screen mode, sometimes there isn't > enough horsepower left over after all the screen redrawing to keep the > audio happening, especially with a lot of tracks/plug-ins. if I use > "coherence" mode, the screen driving seems to be handled by the mac OS > instead of the guest OS & things improve dramatically. I'm using > w2k sp4 > as the guest. > > what I haven't tried (& with me it's a cultural thing as much as > anything else) is running anything like "live" or "reason" on the > pc-half & the mac-half at the same time. I don't know if the > networking > between the two "machines" would allow midi syncing or anything. > > but running apps on both OSs at the same time? no problem. > > 'pon the interface thing- I've been looking at the alesis offerings- > they do a normal-looking analogue mixer which can deliver audio via > firewire from each of it's 16 inputs + the stereo mix; very > tempting at > the pricepoint. there's also a non-mixer interface that does more or > less the same, but which for some reason is at the same price. has > anyone used either? > > d. > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 7 15:14:10 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D391A3BF26; Thu, 7 Jun 2007 15:14:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-SBRS: None X-SenderGroup: RELAYLIST X-MailFlowPolicy: $RELAYED X-MID: 724320667 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: New Repeater hardware upgrade? Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2007 16:14:10 +0100 Message-ID: <1BB076E4C332F9469148F41725F17A72039949F4@MTVNE-EXCLUST02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: New Repeater hardware upgrade? Thread-Index: AcepFoAS95/SGTuHSkmipsiyTTmieQ== References: <380503.82276.qm@web38610.mail.mud.yahoo.com> From: "Goddard, Duncan" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Jun 2007 15:14:08.0055 (UTC) FILETIME=[7E87C470:01C7A916] Resent-Message-ID: <9gmWsC.A.veG.BDCaGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70920 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2007 15:14:10 +0000 (UTC) >>It is still not clear to me what section of the repeaters hardware has been modified or different than the original.. [snipette] .as far as the hardware mods they are still in the final touches....<< hardware changes? maybe all the new repeaters are going to have the low-noise mod from the off. that would be good. if I remember right, & I might not be, but doesn't the line input go through about seventeen gain stages before the a>d, & the phono & instrument inputs through fewer, thus making the most useful input (for most of us) the noisiest? honestly, I don't know what else I'd want changing. perhaps a more modern card/slot? usb? & I guess they'll be losing the midi channel switch off of the back panel.... d. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 7 15:33:05 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5A88C3BF28; Thu, 7 Jun 2007 15:33:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=VIpoCW9ZDrQk4ltl0FDgo9Mm+qDqtMbUdFLzuyw+kMj2+RoQs6xBP1muKE4X2zUsEnnkmLOUf6TbiyEDhZz1JmMt7/5jK03aLAv2rEjFsAQgr8LYWZopovUXq5E5hy1/pwDr9mbItMPdH9Ncq3BjgQVmzHaHfhHbm9ENVJ+DApY=; X-YMail-OSG: cZkD3QEVM1mQY7uewmmar9TMquCTFM9DgC_EqlmBEN8V_f5C7hkk5P78_H15DNbVBPUMPL746I3YJvEK.H9GeItq2tcxdB.oDXT.7eQa_keTZFB.m_oN7jZhsNy6rA-- Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2007 08:33:03 -0700 (PDT) From: Paul Richards Subject: Re: OT: cassette -> mp3 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <668959.97282.qm@web35104.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-2045171735-1181230383=:41676" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <603212.41676.qm@web35104.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70921 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2007 15:33:05 +0000 (UTC) --0-2045171735-1181230383=:41676 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Here's a link for GrooveMechanic: http://www.coyotes.bc.ca/ Paul Richards wrote: (Can I do this with just an rca to 1/8" male trs cable to run my cassette deck into my soundcard, xp) That's what I do except for the iTunes. I use GrooveMechanic that can be obtained over the 'net. It does the separation, if desired. It uses an add-on for MP3 creation, though (Razor Lame) that cost a small amount of $$$. Paul ditch wrestler wrote: I've spent the last 4 and a bit months loading my cd's into itunes. And it's now time to tackle the two medium-sized boxes of cassettes in my closet... I would like to keep this as stone-simple as possible as I ain't no techno-weenie. But I know there's more than just a few techno-weenies here, so that's way I'm asking... Can I do this with just an rca to 1/8" male trs cable to run my cassette deck into my soundcard, xp, and itunes? My machine is a hamster-driven P3 and I'm hoping to avoid anything that a) costs money, b) will slow down my already slow computer, and c) not turn this into a labour-intensive, "hovering over my computer for the entire length of the cassette" event. Yeah, not asking for too much, am I? ;-) I know already once I upload the cassette, that I'm going to have to go back and put markers into to seperate the songs so this isn't going to be like itunes where I can just toss in the cd and walk away. And if I just had a handful of cassettes, I'd find some local studio and pay them to do it for me but I figure I've got at least 200 cassettes of stuff that's either oop, bootlegs, really obscure, etc. that can't be found on cd... Sorry for the interuption of the regularly schedule LD content. Feel free to contact me off-line. Thanks in advance. ditchwrestler (aka ted). "Indeed, naturally I think that a film should have a beginning, middle, and an end — but not necessarily in that order." 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Here's a link for GrooveMechanic:

http://www.coyotes.bc.ca/

Paul Richards <paulrichard_rocks@yahoo.com> wrote:

(Can I do this with just an rca to 1/8" male trs cable to run my cassette deck into my soundcard, xp)

That's what I do except for the iTunes. I use GrooveMechanic that can be obtained over the 'net. It does the separation, if desired. It uses an add-on for MP3 creation, though (Razor Lame) that cost a small amount of $$$.

Paul

ditch wrestler <ditchwrestler@yahoo.com> wrote:

I've spent the last 4 and a bit months loading my cd's into itunes. And it's now time to tackle the two medium-sized boxes of cassettes in my closet...

I would like to keep this as stone-simple as possible as I ain't no techno-weenie. But I know there's more than just a few techno-weenies here, so that's way I'm asking...

Can I do this with just an rca to 1/8" male trs cable to run my cassette deck into my soundcard, xp, and itunes?

My machine is a hamster-driven P3 and I'm hoping to avoid anything that a) costs money, b) will slow down my already slow computer, and c) not turn this into a labour-intensive, "hovering over my computer for the entire length of the cassette" event.

Yeah, not asking for too much, am I? ;-)

I know already once I upload the cassette, that I'm going to have to go back and put markers into to seperate the songs so this isn't going to be like itunes where I can just toss in the cd and walk away.

And if I just had a handful of cassettes, I'd find some local studio and pay them to do it for me but I figure I've got at least 200 cassettes of stuff that's either oop, bootlegs, really obscure, etc. that can't be found on cd...

Sorry for the interuption of the regularly schedule LD content. Feel free to contact me off-line. Thanks in advance.

ditchwrestler (aka ted).

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Looking for a deal? Find great prices on flights and hotels with Yahoo! FareChase. --0-2045171735-1181230383=:41676-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 7 16:03:55 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 62A0B3BF19; Thu, 7 Jun 2007 16:03:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-UNTD-OriginStamp: wE15mMxaCGdImpQmRPxb5Akwo6Qq3ThbzE/8Govmghxxxogui8iU+A== X-Originating-IP: [206.193.127.2] Mime-Version: 1.0 From: "Weg" Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2007 16:02:11 GMT To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: still on the interface quest... X-Mailer: Webmail Version 4.0 Message-Id: <20070607.120211.6058.0@webmail14.dca.untd.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative;boundary="--__JWM__J7d93.1a5dS.0e68M" X-ContentStamp: 1:1:3791845673 X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 10.171.12.154|webmail14.dca.untd.com|webmail14.dca.untd.com|theweg@netzero.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70922 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2007 16:03:55 +0000 (UTC) ----__JWM__J7d93.1a5dS.0e68M Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain > ThinkPad T60p doesn't have firewire...so I would have to buy a = > cardbus converter. Pisses me off. I am getting the E-MU 1616 = > Cardbus for now, and am thinking of getting my very first mac next = > January (for my 40th B-Day). See your point. I use both mac and pc laptops and the ability to = natively power up a firewire interface is one of the things I like = best with the mac. This is a very nice feature! I just purchase a macbook and a Moto 8pre = and love that it boots up immediately. I am still getting use to my fir= st Mac but with 2gig of ram and a 160 hd I should be able to have some f= un. I went to the Native Instrument page which gave me some tips on set= up for recording which I still have not done....... will tonight. I ma= y need some pointers and will need to search the archive for recommendat= ions as I know there have been many discussions and with my new reading = glasses I feel like a kid again.... = weg ----__JWM__J7d93.1a5dS.0e68M Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/html
> ThinkPad T60p doesn't have firewire...so I would have to b= uy a
> cardbus converter. Pisses me off. I am getting the E= -MU 1616
> Cardbus for now, and am thinking of getting my v= ery first mac next
> January (for my 40th B-Day).

Se= e your point. I use both mac and pc laptops and the ability to natively power up a firewire interface is one of the things I like = ;
best with the mac.

This is a very nice feature! I jus= t purchase a macbook and a Moto 8pre and love that it boots up immediate= ly. I am still getting use to my first Mac but with 2gig of ram an= d a 160 hd I should be able to have some fun.  I went to the N= ative Instrument page which gave me some tips on setup for recording whi= ch I still have not done....... will tonight.   I may need som= e pointers and will need to search the archive for recommendations as I = know there have been many discussions and with my new reading glasses I = feel like a kid again....

weg
----__JWM__J7d93.1a5dS.0e68M-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 7 16:16:11 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EEE4B3BF12; Thu, 7 Jun 2007 16:16:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: <603212.41676.qm@web35104.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <603212.41676.qm@web35104.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-8-1062305373 Message-Id: From: Josh Carroll Subject: OT: thoughts on music and cooking Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2007 11:16:08 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - chara.lunarpages.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - infinivert.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70923 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2007 16:16:10 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-8-1062305373 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed In addition to creating music, I also like to cook. I especially like to making (or rather, attempting to make) sauces. A few years ago I set out to make the perfect salsa. It took me a few tries, but pretty quickly I came up with a recipe that embodied what I think salsa should taste like. All my friends love it too. I usually make it a little thinner and milder than I would personally prefer, but I'm still happy with the flavor, and I feel like it has something unique about it; a little bit of myself expressed in a sauce. This year I decided that my previous recipe was too complicated, so I set out to create a new recipe with half the ingredients. I nailed it on my first try, and honestly I think the simpler recipe tastes better (though a couple of my friends would argue with me). However, I've also been trying to come up with a barbecue sauce recipe that embodies all I love about barbecue for a few years now, and after dozens of tries, I'm about ready to give up. Everything I make sucks, and while a couple of my friends are nice enough to eat my experiments, I know it's never very good. I think there are several reasons for the difference in success rates, but perhaps the most important is this: I have an exact idea of the way I think salsa should taste, and I'm familiar enough with the ingredients to make that happen pretty much every time I make it (a few flops excepted). But when it comes to barbecue sauce, I've tasted so many different influential sauces that I loved, from thin and vinegary to thick and sweet, spicy, brassy, smokey, tart, etc. that it's nearly impossible for me to envision a sauce that captures my favorite things about each. Furthermore, there are so many possibilities for different ingredients that I'm just not as familiar with, that when I taste a half-finished sauce and think "hmm... it needs a little of that sweet flavor from Sharon's house sauce," I'm left guessing at how to make that happen. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ----------------------------------------- All of that to say, I look at a lot of you guys (and groups like The Books, Sigur Ros, etc.), and it at least appears that your efforts at making music flow the way salsa-making does for me. You know exactly what you're going for, and you stick with it. Even when it takes a surprising turn, it still turns out great. And I've watched with envy as several of you have sold-off gear and simplified your sets (stripped out half of the ingredients) and come up with a new recipe that's even more profound and satisfying that what you did at first. But lately, making music has felt like trying to make the perfect barbecue sauce to me. I have so many diverse influences and sounds in my head that I want to combine, and I have all this technology at my fingertips that I'm just not as familiar with as I would like to be, that I feel overwhelmed by the endeavor. And everything I have come up with so far is just not satisfying to me. And I'd like at least a few people to think it's good too, but right now the artists I'm hearing who come closest (check out http:// www.myspace.com/sonlux for one example) are too much of a stretch for even my most musically inclined friends. Has anyone else been here, or am I even making sense? Any words of wisdom? --Josh --Apple-Mail-8-1062305373 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 In addition to creating music, I = also like to cook.=A0 I especially like to making (or rather, attempting = to make) sauces.

A few years ago I set out = to make the perfect salsa.=A0 It took me a few tries, but pretty quickly = I came up with a recipe that embodied what I think salsa should taste = like.=A0 All my friends love it too.=A0 I usually make it a little = thinner and milder than I would personally prefer, but I'm still happy = with the flavor, and I feel like it has something unique about it; a = little bit of myself expressed in a sauce.

This year I decided that my = previous recipe was too complicated, so I set out to create a new recipe = with half the ingredients.=A0 I nailed it on my first try, and honestly = I think the simpler recipe tastes better (though a couple of my friends = would argue with me).

However, I've also been = trying to come up with a barbecue sauce recipe that embodies all I love = about barbecue for a few years now, and after dozens of tries, I'm about = ready to give up.=A0 Everything I make sucks, and while a couple of my = friends are nice enough to eat my experiments, I know it's never very = good.

I think = there are several reasons for the difference in success rates, but = perhaps the most important is this:=A0 I have an exact idea of the way I = think salsa should taste, and I'm familiar enough with the ingredients = to make that happen pretty much every time I make it (a few flops = excepted).=A0 But when it comes to barbecue sauce, I've tasted so many = different influential sauces that I loved, from thin and vinegary to = thick and sweet, spicy, brassy, smokey, tart, etc. that it's nearly = impossible for me to envision a sauce that captures my favorite things = about each.=A0 Furthermore, there are so many possibilities for = different ingredients that I'm just not as familiar with, that when I = taste a half-finished sauce and think "hmm... it needs a little of that = sweet flavor from Sharon's house sauce," I'm left guessing at how to = make that happen.

-----------------------------= --------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----------

All = of that to say, I look at a lot of you guys (and groups like The Books, = Sigur Ros, etc.), and it at least appears that your efforts at making = music flow the way salsa-making does for me.=A0 You know exactly what = you're going for, and you stick with it.=A0 Even when it takes a = surprising turn, it still turns out great.=A0 And I've watched with envy = as several of you have sold-off gear and simplified your sets (stripped = out half of the ingredients) and come up with a new recipe that's even = more profound and satisfying that what you did at first.

But lately, making music = has felt like trying to make the perfect barbecue sauce to me.=A0 I have = so many diverse influences and sounds in my head that I want to combine, = and I have all this technology at my fingertips that I'm just not as = familiar with as I would like to be, that I feel overwhelmed by the = endeavor.=A0 And everything I have come up with so far is just not = satisfying to me.

And I'd like at least a few = people to think it's good too, but right now the artists I'm hearing who = come closest (check out=A0http://www.myspace.com/sonlux = for one example) are too much of a stretch for even my most musically = inclined friends.

Has anyone else been here, = or am I even making sense?=A0 Any words of wisdom?

--Josh

= --Apple-Mail-8-1062305373-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 7 17:02:23 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 552433BF11; Thu, 7 Jun 2007 17:02:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2007 13:02:14 -0400 From: Warren Sirota Subject: em2007 corrections In-reply-to: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <026101c7a925$9a80b9c0$0402a8c0@macbookxp> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_b/f8LjVE0qwpHxiHgGElJQ)" Thread-index: AcepHy0nWaKPzWGIQsS63e6aIOFmBAABHZWw References: <603212.41676.qm@web35104.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: <4v_bS.A.YUH.eoDaGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70924 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2007 17:02:23 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_b/f8LjVE0qwpHxiHgGElJQ) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT I'd like to point out to the LD list several inaccuracies that were pointed out to me by members of the electro-music forum in my report on em2007. First, my observations were just based on the performances that I was able to catch, and were not applicable in general. There were a *lot* of things to do there, and interesting people to talk to, and it's not possible to take everything in. In particular, there were several other sets built around live looping, apparently, that I didn't catch, and also I was not the only participant to eschew video (about 6 did). Second, my phrase that LD members should consider em as a "viable venue" seems to have a slant that bothers some people, who (correctly) point out that the festival should be considered as an "event to attend" and really a community gathering, not just a place to perform. I guess for me there wasn't much difference, as I came to both perform and to meet and appreciate the performances of others, so I didn't think about that. At any event, as I indicated, there's a wealth of interesting music there, live loopers appear to be welcome, and y'all should think about going next year if you can. Even if you're not performing. Warren --Boundary_(ID_b/f8LjVE0qwpHxiHgGElJQ) Content-type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT

I’d like to point out to the LD list several inaccuracies that were pointed out to me by members of the electro-music forum in my report on em2007.

First, my observations were just based on the performances that I was able to catch, and were not applicable in general. There were a *lot* of things to do there, and interesting people to talk to, and it’s not possible to take everything in. In particular, there were several other sets built around live looping, apparently, that I didn’t catch, and also I was not the only participant to eschew video (about 6 did).

Second, my phrase that LD members should consider em as a “viable venue” seems to have a slant that bothers some people, who (correctly) point out that the festival should be considered as an “event to attend” and really a community gathering, not just a place to perform. I guess for me there wasn’t much difference, as I came to both perform and to meet and appreciate the performances of others, so I didn’t think about that. At any event, as I indicated, there’s a wealth of interesting music there, live loopers appear to be welcome, and y’all should think about going next year if you can. Even if you’re not performing.

Warren

--Boundary_(ID_b/f8LjVE0qwpHxiHgGElJQ)-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 7 17:03:04 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B118C3BF1F; Thu, 7 Jun 2007 17:03:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <20070607.120211.6058.0@webmail14.dca.untd.com> References: <20070607.120211.6058.0@webmail14.dca.untd.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Mark Sottilaro Subject: Re: still on the interface quest... Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2007 10:02:33 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70925 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2007 17:03:04 +0000 (UTC) On Jun 7, 2007, at 4:02 PM, Weg wrote: > > ThinkPad T60p doesn't have firewire...so I would have to buy a > > cardbus converter. Pisses me off. I am getting the E-MU 1616 > > Cardbus for now, and am thinking of getting my very first mac next > > January (for my 40th B-Day). > > See your point. I use both mac and pc laptops and the ability to > natively power up a firewire interface is one of the things I like > best with the mac. Still a big Mac fan (My desktop will always be one) but Toshiba and Sony laptops both include Firewire jacks as standard equipment. That's one of the reasons I got a Toshiba. It works with my M-Audio Firewire Solo perfectly. M From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 7 17:27:39 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E0A823BF27; Thu, 7 Jun 2007 17:27:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com In-Reply-To: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Repeater attenuation question MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 6.5.3 September 14, 2004 Message-ID: From: Matthew_Quinn@vrtx.com Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2007 13:27:25 -0400 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on BOS01MAIL01/M/BOS1/VRTX(Release 7.0.2FP1|January 10, 2007) at 06/07/2007 01:27:27 PM, Serialize complete at 06/07/2007 01:27:27 PM, Itemize by SMTP Server on BOS01HUB/H/BOS1/VRTX(Release 7.0.2|September 26, 2006) at 06/07/2007 01:27:27 PM, Serialize by Router on BOS01HUB/H/BOS1/VRTX(Release 7.0.2|September 26, 2006) at 06/07/2007 01:27:33 PM, Serialize complete at 06/07/2007 01:27:33 PM, Itemize by SMTP Server on BOS1MX/VRTXSMTP(Release 7.0.2|September 26, 2006) at 06/07/2007 01:30:58 PM, Serialize by Router on BOS1MX/VRTXSMTP(Release 7.0.2|September 26, 2006) at 06/07/2007 01:31:04 PM, Serialize complete at 06/07/2007 01:31:04 PM Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=_alternative 005FE4AB852572F3_=" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70926 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2007 17:27:39 +0000 (UTC) This is a multipart message in MIME format. --=_alternative 005FE4AB852572F3_= Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" I just got confirmation that this is the case from Adam at Electrix. Happy Happy, Joy Joy =) "simeon harris" 06/06/2007 05:30 PM Please respond to Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com To Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com cc Subject RE: Repeater attenuation question >From: Matthew_Quinn@vrtx.com >Does anyone know if the new master volume attenuation control will allow >me to reduce the output to a level that my amp will play nice with? from reading the new manual, i'm pretty sure the answer is yes...i think the new volume attenuation feature is specifically designed to allow the repeater to run in front of an amp sim _________________________________________________________________ Txt a lot? Get Messenger FREE on your mobile. https://livemessenger.mobile.uk.msn.com/ --=_alternative 005FE4AB852572F3_= Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII"
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--=_alternative 005FE4AB852572F3_=-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 7 17:35:45 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DE0CF3BF13; Thu, 7 Jun 2007 17:35:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=fDJQbjKp4Jr6RdcbC0Rn2KpMPSTZ+Otrjn+wvYmFV5Bw9xU5FHnk2ocCn7mS98lkAI22ZpLYibsqmqCVplY3vlGin1FklYwCNTRxyV0cEyl73ZcB3Ne6YjAkK7yCaBipvWrdh8ogdkPbhjKRpz0uzCQ7+pJ/LF2DdM9DqSjPFlI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=pgZvkb1faKziohqj4lyKSfsrM9SWiM8BfUwsGNq3t9e1NiDPEab7o/Im6kfR9GXMa2Y0uDkRDVNss2JWEOkLWWCwbuiCBZtMA/zhfyqP0woqPQ98cUSXKpY8HVg6qc2XEQQ55sqQR+vB1z8nj2i24oO+/TfZAse21AOwcncOy2w= Message-ID: Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2007 13:04:35 -0400 From: "Tony K" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: thoughts on music and cooking In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_39103_5816477.1181235875538" References: <603212.41676.qm@web35104.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70927 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2007 17:35:44 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_39103_5816477.1181235875538 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline It makes complete sense to me. I too love to cook. But, I have a different approach. I approach cooking in much the same way I do making music. I just make it up as I go along. I grew up in an Italian family, my grandmother(s) just showed me how to make things. A very few thins there were recipes for, but for the most part, it was just experience. I have a general idea of what I want (the basics), then I just start throwing things in. So, my cooking and my music are never the same twice, but always an adventure. :) Sometimes things fail miserably, you know like when I accidentally put caraway seed in spaghetti sauce. not good. And sometimes it's a gem. Tony On 6/7/07, Josh Carroll wrote: > > In addition to creating music, I also like to cook. I especially like to > making (or rather, attempting to make) sauces. > > A few years ago I set out to make the perfect salsa. It took me a few > tries, but pretty quickly I came up with a recipe that embodied what I think > salsa should taste like. All my friends love it too. I usually make it a > little thinner and milder than I would personally prefer, but I'm still > happy with the flavor, and I feel like it has something unique about it; a > little bit of myself expressed in a sauce. > > This year I decided that my previous recipe was too complicated, so I set > out to create a new recipe with half the ingredients. I nailed it on my > first try, and honestly I think the simpler recipe tastes better (though a > couple of my friends would argue with me). > > However, I've also been trying to come up with a barbecue sauce recipe > that embodies all I love about barbecue for a few years now, and after > dozens of tries, I'm about ready to give up. Everything I make sucks, and > while a couple of my friends are nice enough to eat my experiments, I know > it's never very good. > > I think there are several reasons for the difference in success rates, but > perhaps the most important is this: I have an exact idea of the way I think > salsa should taste, and I'm familiar enough with the ingredients to make > that happen pretty much every time I make it (a few flops excepted). But > when it comes to barbecue sauce, I've tasted so many different influential > sauces that I loved, from thin and vinegary to thick and sweet, spicy, > brassy, smokey, tart, etc. that it's nearly impossible for me to envision a > sauce that captures my favorite things about each. Furthermore, there are > so many possibilities for different ingredients that I'm just not as > familiar with, that when I taste a half-finished sauce and think "hmm... it > needs a little of that sweet flavor from Sharon's house sauce," I'm left > guessing at how to make that happen. > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > All of that to say, I look at a lot of you guys (and groups like The > Books, Sigur Ros, etc.), and it at least appears that your efforts at making > music flow the way salsa-making does for me. You know exactly what you're > going for, and you stick with it. Even when it takes a surprising turn, it > still turns out great. And I've watched with envy as several of you have > sold-off gear and simplified your sets (stripped out half of the > ingredients) and come up with a new recipe that's even more profound and > satisfying that what you did at first. > > But lately, making music has felt like trying to make the perfect barbecue > sauce to me. I have so many diverse influences and sounds in my head that I > want to combine, and I have all this technology at my fingertips that I'm > just not as familiar with as I would like to be, that I feel overwhelmed by > the endeavor. And everything I have come up with so far is just not > satisfying to me. > > And I'd like at least a few people to think it's good too, but right now > the artists I'm hearing who come closest (check out > http://www.myspace.com/sonlux for one example) are too much of a stretch > for even my most musically inclined friends. > > Has anyone else been here, or am I even making sense? Any words of > wisdom? > > --Josh > > > -- -==-=-=- Tony ------=_Part_39103_5816477.1181235875538 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline It makes complete sense to me. I too love to cook. But, I have a different approach. I approach cooking in much the same way I do making music. I just make it up as I go along. I grew up in an Italian family, my grandmother(s) just showed me how to make things. A very few thins there were recipes for, but for the most part, it was just experience. I have a general idea of what I want (the basics), then I just start throwing things in. So, my cooking and my music are never the same twice, but always an adventure. :) Sometimes things fail miserably, you know like when I accidentally put caraway seed in spaghetti sauce. not good. And sometimes it's a gem.

Tony

On 6/7/07, Josh Carroll <josh@infinivert.com> wrote:

In addition to creating music, I also like to cook. I especially like to making (or rather, attempting to make) sauces.

A few years ago I set out to make the perfect salsa. It took me a few tries, but pretty quickly I came up with a recipe that embodied what I think salsa should taste like. All my friends love it too. I usually make it a little thinner and milder than I would personally prefer, but I'm still happy with the flavor, and I feel like it has something unique about it; a little bit of myself expressed in a sauce.

This year I decided that my previous recipe was too complicated, so I set out to create a new recipe with half the ingredients. I nailed it on my first try, and honestly I think the simpler recipe tastes better (though a couple of my friends would argue with me).

However, I've also been trying to come up with a barbecue sauce recipe that embodies all I love about barbecue for a few years now, and after dozens of tries, I'm about ready to give up. Everything I make sucks, and while a couple of my friends are nice enough to eat my experiments, I know it's never very good.

I think there are several reasons for the difference in success rates, but perhaps the most important is this: I have an exact idea of the way I think salsa should taste, and I'm familiar enough with the ingredients to make that happen pretty much every time I make it (a few flops excepted). But when it comes to barbecue sauce, I've tasted so many different influential sauces that I loved, from thin and vinegary to thick and sweet, spicy, brassy, smokey, tart, etc. that it's nearly impossible for me to envision a sauce that captures my favorite things about each. Furthermore, there are so many possibilities for different ingredients that I'm just not as familiar with, that when I taste a half-finished sauce and think "hmm... it needs a little of that sweet flavor from Sharon's house sauce," I'm left guessing at how to make that happen.

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All of that to say, I look at a lot of you guys (and groups like The Books, Sigur Ros, etc.), and it at least appears that your efforts at making music flow the way salsa-making does for me. You know exactly what you're going for, and you stick with it. Even when it takes a surprising turn, it still turns out great. And I've watched with envy as several of you have sold-off gear and simplified your sets (stripped out half of the ingredients) and come up with a new recipe that's even more profound and satisfying that what you did at first.

But lately, making music has felt like trying to make the perfect barbecue sauce to me. I have so many diverse influences and sounds in my head that I want to combine, and I have all this technology at my fingertips that I'm just not as familiar with as I would like to be, that I feel overwhelmed by the endeavor. And everything I have come up with so far is just not satisfying to me.

And I'd like at least a few people to think it's good too, but right now the artists I'm hearing who come closest (check out http://www.myspace.com/sonlux for one example) are too much of a stretch for even my most musically inclined friends.

Has anyone else been here, or am I even making sense? Any words of wisdom?

--Josh

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Tony ------=_Part_39103_5816477.1181235875538-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 7 17:37:53 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D42923BF11; Thu, 7 Jun 2007 17:37:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <1181237872.4668427078bf5@webmail.musetrap.com> Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2007 12:37:52 -0500 From: cpr@musetrap.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: OT: promoting intelligent looping to ET's MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.2.2 X-Originating-IP: 208.49.125.142 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70928 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2007 17:37:53 +0000 (UTC) lol.. :) http://www.pinktentacle.com/2007/06/giant-geoglyph-ad-visible-from-space/ ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 7 17:39:21 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2FC873BF27; Thu, 7 Jun 2007 17:39:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: References: <060620071533.20413.4666D3BA000616A500004FBD2216554886020A050C07080C0B0A079D00070B0703@comcast.net> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-2-1067266851 Message-Id: From: Mark Sottilaro Subject: Re: Sync drift with EDP. Causes? Solutions? Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2007 10:38:49 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70929 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2007 17:39:21 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-2-1067266851 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Wait, I've been mostly ignoring this thread (Not owning an EDP) but I've had sync problems when using drum machines and Ableton when they are set to loop. Something about the start message they do at the beginning of the loop screws things up. If you let them free run and just make very long sequences you avoid this. M On Jun 6, 2007, at 9:22 AM, Doug Cox wrote: > I'm not necessarily a gnarled MIDI veteran, but I've seen enough > devices send out wonky clocks (and other MIDI messages) that I > wouldn't have such a hard time imagining it. Still, if you're > seeing the same behavior with *either* Live or the DD55, the > problem may lie elsewhere. > > Consistent with Per's response, when you send out the clock from > Live, is Live the true sync master at that point, or is Live > actually slaved to the drum machine? > > > On 6/6/07, midifriedchicken@comcast.net > wrote: > Sorry, I meant to imply the clock source was either the drum > machine or Ableton, not both at the same time. I cant imagine the > clock would be unstable. It runs the internal sequencer fine. > Im stumped. > > -------------- Original message -------------- > From: "Doug Cox" < uncledig@gmail.com> > Maybe there's a hint in this: > > The Midi out of the Drum machine/Ableton is connected to the midi > in of the EDP > > Are both the drum machine and Ableton sending separate but > simultaneous MIDI clocks? Seems like this could easily confuse the > EDP. > > There's also the real possibility that the clock coming from the > drum machine is unstable. That could be the case for Live also, > but I'd trust Per to tell us if he has any experience with an > unstable clock coming out of Live? > > Doug > --Apple-Mail-2-1067266851 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Wait, I've been mostly ignoring = this thread (Not owning an EDP) but I've had sync problems when using = drum machines and Ableton when they are set to loop.=A0 Something about = the start message they do at the beginning of the loop screws things = up.=A0 If you let them free run and just make very long sequences you = avoid this.

M

On = Jun 6, 2007, at 9:22 AM, Doug Cox wrote:

I'm not = necessarily a gnarled MIDI veteran, but I've seen enough devices send = out wonky clocks (and other MIDI messages) that I wouldn't have such a = hard time imagining it.=A0 Still, if you're seeing the same behavior = with *either* Live or the DD55, the problem may lie elsewhere. =

Consistent with Per's response, when you send out the clock from = Live, is Live the true sync master at that point, or is Live actually = slaved to the drum machine?

On 6/6/07, midifriedchicken@comcast.net<= /A> <midifriedchicken@comcast.net<= /A>> wrote:

Sorry, I meant to imply the clock = source was either the drum machine or Ableton, not both at the same = time. I cant imagine the clock would be unstable. It runs the internal = sequencer fine.

Im stumped.

=A0
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From: "Doug Cox" < uncledig@gmail.com> =
Maybe = there's a hint in this:

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The Midi out of the Drum machine/Ableton is connected to the = midi in of the EDP

Are both the = drum machine and Ableton sending separate but simultaneous MIDI clocks?=A0= Seems like this could easily confuse the EDP.

There's also the = real possibility that the clock coming from the drum machine is = unstable.=A0 That could be the case for Live also, but I'd trust Per to = tell us if he has any experience with an unstable clock coming out of = Live?

Doug
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= --Apple-Mail-2-1067266851-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 7 18:06:34 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DC3C93BF0B; Thu, 7 Jun 2007 18:06:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [206.223.204.211] X-Originating-Email: [aaronleese@hotmail.com] X-Sender: aaronleese@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: From: "aaron leese" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: thoughts on music and cooking Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2007 14:06:29 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Jun 2007 18:06:32.0317 (UTC) FILETIME=[9430E2D0:01C7A92E] Resent-Message-ID: <9qNh0C.A.HhE.qkEaGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70930 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2007 18:06:34 +0000 (UTC) Yeah, me too ..... though I need to interject that for proper improvisational cooking, one must have a bottle of wine. >From: "Tony K" >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Re: OT: thoughts on music and cooking >Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2007 13:04:35 -0400 > >It makes complete sense to me. I too love to cook. But, I have a >different >approach. I approach cooking in much the same way I do making music. I >just make it up as I go along. I grew up in an Italian family, my >grandmother(s) just showed me how to make things. A very few thins there >were recipes for, but for the most part, it was just experience. I have a >general idea of what I want (the basics), then I just start throwing things >in. So, my cooking and my music are never the same twice, but always an >adventure. :) Sometimes things fail miserably, you know like when I >accidentally put caraway seed in spaghetti sauce. not good. And sometimes >it's a gem. > >Tony > >On 6/7/07, Josh Carroll wrote: >> >>In addition to creating music, I also like to cook. I especially like to >>making (or rather, attempting to make) sauces. >> >>A few years ago I set out to make the perfect salsa. It took me a few >>tries, but pretty quickly I came up with a recipe that embodied what I >>think >>salsa should taste like. All my friends love it too. I usually make it a >>little thinner and milder than I would personally prefer, but I'm still >>happy with the flavor, and I feel like it has something unique about it; a >>little bit of myself expressed in a sauce. >> >>This year I decided that my previous recipe was too complicated, so I set >>out to create a new recipe with half the ingredients. I nailed it on my >>first try, and honestly I think the simpler recipe tastes better (though a >>couple of my friends would argue with me). >> >>However, I've also been trying to come up with a barbecue sauce recipe >>that embodies all I love about barbecue for a few years now, and after >>dozens of tries, I'm about ready to give up. Everything I make sucks, and >>while a couple of my friends are nice enough to eat my experiments, I know >>it's never very good. >> >>I think there are several reasons for the difference in success rates, but >>perhaps the most important is this: I have an exact idea of the way I >>think >>salsa should taste, and I'm familiar enough with the ingredients to make >>that happen pretty much every time I make it (a few flops excepted). But >>when it comes to barbecue sauce, I've tasted so many different influential >>sauces that I loved, from thin and vinegary to thick and sweet, spicy, >>brassy, smokey, tart, etc. that it's nearly impossible for me to envision >>a >>sauce that captures my favorite things about each. Furthermore, there are >>so many possibilities for different ingredients that I'm just not as >>familiar with, that when I taste a half-finished sauce and think "hmm... >>it >>needs a little of that sweet flavor from Sharon's house sauce," I'm left >>guessing at how to make that happen. >> >> >>----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >>All of that to say, I look at a lot of you guys (and groups like The >>Books, Sigur Ros, etc.), and it at least appears that your efforts at >>making >>music flow the way salsa-making does for me. You know exactly what you're >>going for, and you stick with it. Even when it takes a surprising turn, >>it >>still turns out great. And I've watched with envy as several of you have >>sold-off gear and simplified your sets (stripped out half of the >>ingredients) and come up with a new recipe that's even more profound and >>satisfying that what you did at first. >> >>But lately, making music has felt like trying to make the perfect barbecue >>sauce to me. I have so many diverse influences and sounds in my head that >>I >>want to combine, and I have all this technology at my fingertips that I'm >>just not as familiar with as I would like to be, that I feel overwhelmed >>by >>the endeavor. And everything I have come up with so far is just not >>satisfying to me. >> >>And I'd like at least a few people to think it's good too, but right now >>the artists I'm hearing who come closest (check out >>http://www.myspace.com/sonlux for one example) are too much of a stretch >>for even my most musically inclined friends. >> >>Has anyone else been here, or am I even making sense? Any words of >>wisdom? >> >>--Josh >> >> >> > > >-- >-==-=-=- >Tony _________________________________________________________________ Get a preview of Live Earth, the hottest event this summer - only on MSN http://liveearth.msn.com?source=msntaglineliveearthhm From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 7 18:21:24 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CFA8F3BEB3; Thu, 7 Jun 2007 18:21:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <236442AA-800E-4548-AAAF-1FEA6A4483E7@infinivert.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Josh Carroll Subject: Re: OT: thoughts on music and cooking Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2007 13:21:19 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - chara.lunarpages.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - infinivert.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70931 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2007 18:21:24 +0000 (UTC) Of course! Unless, that is, the cooking is done around the grill, in which case a good beer should be substituted. --Josh On Jun 7, 2007, at 1:06 PM, aaron leese wrote: > > > Yeah, me too ..... though I need to interject that for proper > improvisational cooking, one must have a bottle of wine. > > > >> From: "Tony K" >> Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >> Subject: Re: OT: thoughts on music and cooking >> Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2007 13:04:35 -0400 >> >> It makes complete sense to me. I too love to cook. But, I have a >> different >> approach. I approach cooking in much the same way I do making >> music. I >> just make it up as I go along. I grew up in an Italian family, my >> grandmother(s) just showed me how to make things. A very few >> thins there >> were recipes for, but for the most part, it was just experience. >> I have a >> general idea of what I want (the basics), then I just start >> throwing things >> in. So, my cooking and my music are never the same twice, but >> always an >> adventure. :) Sometimes things fail miserably, you know like when I >> accidentally put caraway seed in spaghetti sauce. not good. And >> sometimes >> it's a gem. >> >> Tony >> >> On 6/7/07, Josh Carroll wrote: >>> >>> In addition to creating music, I also like to cook. I especially >>> like to >>> making (or rather, attempting to make) sauces. >>> >>> A few years ago I set out to make the perfect salsa. It took me >>> a few >>> tries, but pretty quickly I came up with a recipe that embodied >>> what I think >>> salsa should taste like. All my friends love it too. I usually >>> make it a >>> little thinner and milder than I would personally prefer, but I'm >>> still >>> happy with the flavor, and I feel like it has something unique >>> about it; a >>> little bit of myself expressed in a sauce. >>> >>> This year I decided that my previous recipe was too complicated, >>> so I set >>> out to create a new recipe with half the ingredients. I nailed >>> it on my >>> first try, and honestly I think the simpler recipe tastes better >>> (though a >>> couple of my friends would argue with me). >>> >>> However, I've also been trying to come up with a barbecue sauce >>> recipe >>> that embodies all I love about barbecue for a few years now, and >>> after >>> dozens of tries, I'm about ready to give up. Everything I make >>> sucks, and >>> while a couple of my friends are nice enough to eat my >>> experiments, I know >>> it's never very good. >>> >>> I think there are several reasons for the difference in success >>> rates, but >>> perhaps the most important is this: I have an exact idea of the >>> way I think >>> salsa should taste, and I'm familiar enough with the ingredients >>> to make >>> that happen pretty much every time I make it (a few flops >>> excepted). But >>> when it comes to barbecue sauce, I've tasted so many different >>> influential >>> sauces that I loved, from thin and vinegary to thick and sweet, >>> spicy, >>> brassy, smokey, tart, etc. that it's nearly impossible for me to >>> envision a >>> sauce that captures my favorite things about each. Furthermore, >>> there are >>> so many possibilities for different ingredients that I'm just not as >>> familiar with, that when I taste a half-finished sauce and think >>> "hmm... it >>> needs a little of that sweet flavor from Sharon's house sauce," >>> I'm left >>> guessing at how to make that happen. >>> >>> >>> -------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> --------------------------------------------- >>> >>> All of that to say, I look at a lot of you guys (and groups like The >>> Books, Sigur Ros, etc.), and it at least appears that your >>> efforts at making >>> music flow the way salsa-making does for me. You know exactly >>> what you're >>> going for, and you stick with it. Even when it takes a >>> surprising turn, it >>> still turns out great. And I've watched with envy as several of >>> you have >>> sold-off gear and simplified your sets (stripped out half of the >>> ingredients) and come up with a new recipe that's even more >>> profound and >>> satisfying that what you did at first. >>> >>> But lately, making music has felt like trying to make the perfect >>> barbecue >>> sauce to me. I have so many diverse influences and sounds in my >>> head that I >>> want to combine, and I have all this technology at my fingertips >>> that I'm >>> just not as familiar with as I would like to be, that I feel >>> overwhelmed by >>> the endeavor. And everything I have come up with so far is just not >>> satisfying to me. >>> >>> And I'd like at least a few people to think it's good too, but >>> right now >>> the artists I'm hearing who come closest (check out >>> http://www.myspace.com/sonlux for one example) are too much of a >>> stretch >>> for even my most musically inclined friends. >>> >>> Has anyone else been here, or am I even making sense? Any words of >>> wisdom? >>> >>> --Josh >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> -==-=-=- >> Tony > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get a preview of Live Earth, the hottest event this summer - only > on MSN http://liveearth.msn.com?source=msntaglineliveearthhm > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 7 18:26:00 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8F5BF3BF17; Thu, 7 Jun 2007 18:26:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Fri, 08 Jun 2007 02:25:46 +0800 From: Randolf Arriola Subject: Re: thoughts on music and cooking To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <015f01c7a931$45033c00$6e01a8c0@embryo> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_IbhO4VM3khNhdBbLmWDVnQ)" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <603212.41676.qm@web35104.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: <8FI2_D.A.jzF.42EaGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70932 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2007 18:26:00 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_IbhO4VM3khNhdBbLmWDVnQ) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT I can't help but smile when I saw your post Josh. I've always associated the analogy of cooking akin to musical creativity and improvisation. I hold on to the belief that it's really about the individual's sense of quality, timing and portioning. And like most cuisines from around the world not all music is for everyone's liking. :) Randolf Arriola (aka the embryo) Hp 97584919 http://www.soundclick.com/bands/5/theembryo.htm http://www.myspace.com/the_embryo ----- Original Message ----- From: Josh Carroll To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Sent: Friday, June 08, 2007 12:16 AM Subject: OT: thoughts on music and cooking In addition to creating music, I also like to cook. I especially like to making (or rather, attempting to make) sauces. A few years ago I set out to make the perfect salsa. It took me a few tries, but pretty quickly I came up with a recipe that embodied what I think salsa should taste like. All my friends love it too. I usually make it a little thinner and milder than I would personally prefer, but I'm still happy with the flavor, and I feel like it has something unique about it; a little bit of myself expressed in a sauce. This year I decided that my previous recipe was too complicated, so I set out to create a new recipe with half the ingredients. I nailed it on my first try, and honestly I think the simpler recipe tastes better (though a couple of my friends would argue with me). However, I've also been trying to come up with a barbecue sauce recipe that embodies all I love about barbecue for a few years now, and after dozens of tries, I'm about ready to give up. Everything I make sucks, and while a couple of my friends are nice enough to eat my experiments, I know it's never very good. I think there are several reasons for the difference in success rates, but perhaps the most important is this: I have an exact idea of the way I think salsa should taste, and I'm familiar enough with the ingredients to make that happen pretty much every time I make it (a few flops excepted). But when it comes to barbecue sauce, I've tasted so many different influential sauces that I loved, from thin and vinegary to thick and sweet, spicy, brassy, smokey, tart, etc. that it's nearly impossible for me to envision a sauce that captures my favorite things about each. Furthermore, there are so many possibilities for different ingredients that I'm just not as familiar with, that when I taste a half-finished sauce and think "hmm... it needs a little of that sweet flavor from Sharon's house sauce," I'm left guessing at how to make that happen. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- All of that to say, I look at a lot of you guys (and groups like The Books, Sigur Ros, etc.), and it at least appears that your efforts at making music flow the way salsa-making does for me. You know exactly what you're going for, and you stick with it. Even when it takes a surprising turn, it still turns out great. And I've watched with envy as several of you have sold-off gear and simplified your sets (stripped out half of the ingredients) and come up with a new recipe that's even more profound and satisfying that what you did at first. But lately, making music has felt like trying to make the perfect barbecue sauce to me. I have so many diverse influences and sounds in my head that I want to combine, and I have all this technology at my fingertips that I'm just not as familiar with as I would like to be, that I feel overwhelmed by the endeavor. And everything I have come up with so far is just not satisfying to me. And I'd like at least a few people to think it's good too, but right now the artists I'm hearing who come closest (check out http://www.myspace.com/sonlux for one example) are too much of a stretch for even my most musically inclined friends. Has anyone else been here, or am I even making sense? Any words of wisdom? --Josh --Boundary_(ID_IbhO4VM3khNhdBbLmWDVnQ) Content-type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT
I can't help but smile when I saw your post Josh. I've always associated the analogy of cooking akin to musical creativity and improvisation. I hold on to the belief that it's really about the individual's sense of quality, timing and portioning. And like most cuisines from around the world not all music is for everyone's liking. :)



Randolf Arriola (aka the embryo)
Hp 97584919
http://www.soundclick.com/bands/5/theembryo.htm
http://www.myspace.com/the_embryo

----- Original Message -----

From: Josh Carroll

To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com

Sent: Friday, June 08, 2007 12:16 AM

Subject: OT: thoughts on music and cooking

In addition to creating music, I also like to cook. I especially like to making (or rather, attempting to make) sauces.

A few years ago I set out to make the perfect salsa. It took me a few tries, but pretty quickly I came up with a recipe that embodied what I think salsa should taste like. All my friends love it too. I usually make it a little thinner and milder than I would personally prefer, but I'm still happy with the flavor, and I feel like it has something unique about it; a little bit of myself expressed in a sauce.

This year I decided that my previous recipe was too complicated, so I set out to create a new recipe with half the ingredients. I nailed it on my first try, and honestly I think the simpler recipe tastes better (though a couple of my friends would argue with me).

However, I've also been trying to come up with a barbecue sauce recipe that embodies all I love about barbecue for a few years now, and after dozens of tries, I'm about ready to give up. Everything I make sucks, and while a couple of my friends are nice enough to eat my experiments, I know it's never very good.

I think there are several reasons for the difference in success rates, but perhaps the most important is this: I have an exact idea of the way I think salsa should taste, and I'm familiar enough with the ingredients to make that happen pretty much every time I make it (a few flops excepted). But when it comes to barbecue sauce, I've tasted so many different influential sauces that I loved, from thin and vinegary to thick and sweet, spicy, brassy, smokey, tart, etc. that it's nearly impossible for me to envision a sauce that captures my favorite things about each. Furthermore, there are so many possibilities for different ingredients that I'm just not as familiar with, that when I taste a half-finished sauce and think "hmm... it needs a little of that sweet flavor from Sharon's house sauce," I'm left guessing at how to make that happen.

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All of that to say, I look at a lot of you guys (and groups like The Books, Sigur Ros, etc.), and it at least appears that your efforts at making music flow the way salsa-making does for me. You know exactly what you're going for, and you stick with it. Even when it takes a surprising turn, it still turns out great. And I've watched with envy as several of you have sold-off gear and simplified your sets (stripped out half of the ingredients) and come up with a new recipe that's even more profound and satisfying that what you did at first.

But lately, making music has felt like trying to make the perfect barbecue sauce to me. I have so many diverse influences and sounds in my head that I want to combine, and I have all this technology at my fingertips that I'm just not as familiar with as I would like to be, that I feel overwhelmed by the endeavor. And everything I have come up with so far is just not satisfying to me.

And I'd like at least a few people to think it's good too, but right now the artists I'm hearing who come closest (check out http://www.myspace.com/sonlux for one example) are too much of a stretch for even my most musically inclined friends.

Has anyone else been here, or am I even making sense? Any words of wisdom?

--Josh

--Boundary_(ID_IbhO4VM3khNhdBbLmWDVnQ)-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 7 18:40:08 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EDC8E3BEFB; Thu, 7 Jun 2007 18:40:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=LFeKgdROcNZxadwUJdg63EvXZ4GGtorK9beksUr5LtUH7gxnqs8YkHfUSjjm6TDm; h=Received:Date:Subject:Content-Type:Mime-Version:From:To:Content-Transfer-Encoding:In-Reply-To:Message-Id:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2007 11:49:37 -0700 Subject: Re: OT: thoughts on music and cooking Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v553) From: Sheila Olson To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.553) X-ELNK-Trace: 573b2ac3a2420bc9f258f48946e2642d9ef193a6bfc3dd48a05a171f19332f64ab43e3164751b02c387f7b89c61deb1d350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 69.3.119.150 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70933 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2007 18:40:07 +0000 (UTC) Josh Care to share your salsa recipe? Off list if you prefer. Take care, joe From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 7 18:57:57 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3F60A3BF04; Thu, 7 Jun 2007 18:57:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <6ED4107E-2477-444A-A19B-8DD06DAC2304@infinivert.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Josh Carroll Subject: Re: OT: thoughts on music and cooking Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2007 13:57:51 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - chara.lunarpages.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - infinivert.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70934 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2007 18:57:57 +0000 (UTC) Ha! Well sure. I guess there's no harm in sharing, though this is =20 certainly taking the conversation WAY OT! My apologies to Kim. Here's both of 'em, though the amounts are really just my guesses. I =20= never measure things out, I just approximate and taste, adjust, =20 taste, etc. Josh=92s Salsa Blend the following items and chill. I usually add salt last so I =20 can adjust to the right level. Either way, it is best after it's sat =20= in the refrigerator for a few hours and all the bubbles left over =20 from the blender have worked their way out. Original recipe: 1 can (28 oz.) Whole peeled tomatoes 1 can (14 oz.) Rotel (diced tomatoes and chili peppers) 2 medium roma tomatoes (cut into chunks) =BC medium yellow onion (cut into chunks) 4 medium pepperoncini peppers 10 to 12 dried chili pequin pods (these are really hard to find but =20 really add to the flavor!) 1 to 3 medium jalape=F1o peppers =96 cored and seeded (leave some seeds =20= for more heat) Juice of =BD lime 1 =BD tablespoons minced garlic 2 or 3 leaves fresh cilantro 6 tablespoons kosher salt (or to taste) 1 =BD tablespoons chili powder 1 tablespoon freshly cracked black pepper =BD tablespoon ground cayenne (red) pepper =BD teaspoon ground comino (cumin) New, all fresh blend: 6 to 8 medium roma tomatoes (cut into chunks) =BD medium yellow onion (cut into chunks) 1 medium pablano chili (cored and seeded) 1 to 3 medium jalape=F1o pepper =96 cored and seeded (leave some seeds =20= for more heat) Juice of 1 lime 2 to 4 cloves garlic - peeled 8 to 12 leaves fresh cilantro 6 to 8 tablespoons kosher salt (or to taste) 1 =BD tablespoon comino (cumin) seed (ground cumin can be used if you =20= don't like the texture of the seeds. Start small with this and add =20 to taste.) Enjoy! --Josh On Jun 7, 2007, at 1:49 PM, Sheila Olson wrote: > Josh > > Care to share your salsa recipe? > > > Off list if you prefer. > > Take care, > > joe > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 7 19:01:31 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9F5B03BF13; Thu, 7 Jun 2007 19:01:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [4.246.69.212] X-Originating-Email: [sambacomet@hotmail.com] X-Sender: sambacomet@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <20070607173921.7BB593BF29@arsenic.violacea.com> From: "samba -" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: cooking music Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2007 12:01:27 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Jun 2007 19:01:29.0357 (UTC) FILETIME=[416143D0:01C7A936] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70935 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2007 19:01:31 +0000 (UTC) Preparing and serving food is the only Art form that engages all the senses.Of course the perfect music is part of total dining experience. I like cooking as a metaphor for playing music,esp performing music. In both personal creative expression can be aimed at delighting the senses of the reciever . I like the idea of art being a form of nourishment.The Sufis say that sense impressions are food. _________________________________________________________________ Make every IM count. Download Messenger and join the i’m Initiative now. It’s free. http://im.live.com/messenger/im/home/?source=TAGHM_June07 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 7 19:38:47 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C50F03BEFC; Thu, 7 Jun 2007 19:38:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=MB5I2Fm0HwjApLGWwIt+KE17vwxwwyhPuTGw4ejhBQSDChWc6oa0z6ByGsiScTZgWipRBV36YKwfWGPG8rkLe1ed23RdZ2NeGOkoMRcZWWYNzxfePFY5v4Mz7VUeIW0P7BlBWe75BV0As6MTMP0ZStqqoQn9rDaPDAoD0hkS5X8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=mxxR5wmV+9QJnBhrdqPLyAKdSOOAwzggexBJk35N8Mat3Ftw7/Yw0dJhG2KxfArbfl8/SMDFzvgX53GglHpNDCRcEdOgl7IXAZtrtMLq3UgO0l21HCq0YTzxXiHd2WNMJAKU/yvtU4AUTYlyUYqbchwa64RArjo781frfhIzMdI= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: References: <20070607.120211.6058.0@webmail14.dca.untd.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <0B8E9539-768A-4731-8BCA-CDF4221F9779@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: still on the interface quest... Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2007 21:38:38 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70936 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2007 19:38:47 +0000 (UTC) >> > ThinkPad T60p doesn't have firewire...so I would have to buy a >> > cardbus converter. Pisses me off. I am getting the E-MU 1616 >> > Cardbus for now, and am thinking of getting my very first mac next >> > January (for my 40th B-Day). >> >> See your point. I use both mac and pc laptops and the ability to >> natively power up a firewire interface is one of the things I like >> best with the mac. On 7 jun 2007, at 19.02, Mark Sottilaro wrote: > Still a big Mac fan (My desktop will always be one) but Toshiba and > Sony laptops both include Firewire jacks as standard equipment. > That's one of the reasons I got a Toshiba. It works with my M- > Audio Firewire Solo perfectly. Having Firewire jacks is not equal to having Firewire jacks capable of powering up an external audio interface. When I bough my recent Windows laptop, two years ago, I did extensive research and found no Windows laptop with that type if Firewire jack, only Macs. But that wasn't my biggest concern back then because I did not have a Firewire interface. I actually bought my first firewire box only two weeks ago; a Echo Audiofire 2. On the Mac laptop it is powered up through the Firewire jack but on the PC laptop I need to use an add-on power aggregate. But can't recommend the Echo one to Rainer, since it has no built-in mic preamps. I'm only using it to pipe audio digitally from one laptop into another. However, during my research (reading tests and talking to guys who work nine to five tracking records) I found that the best bang for buck - if you want really good audio fidelity but not the absolutely best - would be the RME Fireface 400. I did not go for one though, because I already have a pro level analog mic pre amp for studio recording, that probably is better, and the high fidelity of the FF400 is overkill for live work anyway. But I still have the FF 400 on my shopping list to pick up when my Multiface goes belly up (I'm on my second cardbus cable now...). Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://www.myspace.com/looproom http://www.jamendo.com/en/artist/per.boysen/ http://www.jamendo.com/en/artist/lo.fi.lazer/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 7 19:40:04 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9446F3BF11; Thu, 7 Jun 2007 19:40:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Fri, 08 Jun 2007 03:39:51 +0800 From: Randolf Arriola Subject: Re: OT: thoughts on music and cooking To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <017001c7a93b$9e85ec50$6e01a8c0@embryo> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=Windows-1252; reply-type=response Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <6ED4107E-2477-444A-A19B-8DD06DAC2304@infinivert.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70937 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2007 19:40:04 +0000 (UTC) Hehehe only on Looper's Delight! This is really fun guys! Keep it comin! Randolf Arriola (aka the embryo) Hp 97584919 http://www.soundclick.com/bands/5/theembryo.htm http://www.myspace.com/the_embryo ----- Original Message ----- From: "Josh Carroll" To: Sent: Friday, June 08, 2007 2:57 AM Subject: Re: OT: thoughts on music and cooking > Ha! Well sure. I guess there's no harm in sharing, though this is > certainly taking the conversation WAY OT! My apologies to Kim. > > Here's both of 'em, though the amounts are really just my guesses. I > never measure things out, I just approximate and taste, adjust, taste, > etc. > > > Josh’s Salsa > > Blend the following items and chill. I usually add salt last so I can > adjust to the right level. Either way, it is best after it's sat in the > refrigerator for a few hours and all the bubbles left over from the > blender have worked their way out. > > Original recipe: > > 1 can (28 oz.) Whole peeled tomatoes > 1 can (14 oz.) Rotel (diced tomatoes and chili peppers) > 2 medium roma tomatoes (cut into chunks) > ¼ medium yellow onion (cut into chunks) > 4 medium pepperoncini peppers > 10 to 12 dried chili pequin pods (these are really hard to find but > really add to the flavor!) > 1 to 3 medium jalapeño peppers – cored and seeded (leave some seeds for > more heat) > Juice of ½ lime > 1 ½ tablespoons minced garlic > 2 or 3 leaves fresh cilantro > 6 tablespoons kosher salt (or to taste) > 1 ½ tablespoons chili powder > 1 tablespoon freshly cracked black pepper > ½ tablespoon ground cayenne (red) pepper > ½ teaspoon ground comino (cumin) > > > New, all fresh blend: > > 6 to 8 medium roma tomatoes (cut into chunks) > ½ medium yellow onion (cut into chunks) > 1 medium pablano chili (cored and seeded) > 1 to 3 medium jalapeño pepper – cored and seeded (leave some seeds for > more heat) > Juice of 1 lime > 2 to 4 cloves garlic - peeled > 8 to 12 leaves fresh cilantro > 6 to 8 tablespoons kosher salt (or to taste) > 1 ½ tablespoon comino (cumin) seed (ground cumin can be used if you don't > like the texture of the seeds. Start small with this and add to taste.) > > Enjoy! > > --Josh > > > On Jun 7, 2007, at 1:49 PM, Sheila Olson wrote: > >> Josh >> >> Care to share your salsa recipe? >> >> >> Off list if you prefer. >> >> Take care, >> >> joe >> >> >> >> > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 7 19:53:24 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A585C3BF0B; Thu, 7 Jun 2007 19:53:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2007 15:54:40 -0400 From: Bill Fox Subject: Re: AW: do we need a forum ? In-reply-to: <13065124.1181198276669.JavaMail.root@m11> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <46686280.1080206@soundscapes.us> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit References: <49433.68.123.26.152.1180761233.squirrel@webmail.zerocrossing.net> <20070602051836.56BA33BEF0@arsenic.violacea.com> <49460.68.123.26.152.1180761804.squirrel@webmail.zerocrossing.net> <6397626.1180762545471.JavaMail.root@m11> <46670E5A.9090301@soundscapes.us> <13065124.1181198276669.JavaMail.root@m11> User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.12 (Windows/20070509) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70938 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2007 19:53:24 +0000 (UTC) Charles Zwicky wrote: > Anyone who uses a forum daily will attest to it's superiority. I use the electro-music forum daily and I find that forums are a pain in the derriere. So that negates your position, based not on fact but on personal preference. To each his own. > In a forum you have the luxury of not having to curate.... Except that you have to go hunting for a topic in a forum and *still* have to read a few posts in order to find out it isn't what you thought it would be about. *I* don't know why this is under such lengthy discussion because this list's owner has stated that it will always be a mailing list. If you want a forum so badly and don't want to take my previous suggestion to take it to electro-music, start your own forum and do all the hard work yourself. This thread has been beaten to death and will go nowhere new from here. Cheers, Bill From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 7 19:56:51 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 38D3F3BF12; Thu, 7 Jun 2007 19:56:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=LPMEH7CUpfN9v8HlitRIgdkuz4FOZcpptpBf5SDEgDEnMoqcWz6qf4XOdpr64ovAzo92N+Yey0zdsSlc3QTA3lye4Wuzt0aPujblpLPEq8rNfuOV/BQBqsF4ZD9OYewlRPMp/u+t9uDAp4jHT1Ffi/mz3OkaugmGr3umObWlCXw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=W3hdNZ+/lVUgGPOb1YtjoEo63lbs+j1qlSOD2Y+sfy9AEurcWK1WPijwhmivgEYKpy1M+wzaxYQgQn8oZQ4WlxxocLmzOslSF8lKu/bbRXSohCI9SJUWD4dwCr4xwvJsF5R/izXVTfXJPzHqBKVXJbsPURCooke0XHJcZuMntEI= Message-ID: Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2007 15:56:48 -0400 From: "Tony K" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: thoughts on music and cooking In-Reply-To: <236442AA-800E-4548-AAAF-1FEA6A4483E7@infinivert.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_40876_9639695.1181246208302" References: <236442AA-800E-4548-AAAF-1FEA6A4483E7@infinivert.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70939 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2007 19:56:51 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_40876_9639695.1181246208302 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline I like to drink beer while cooking, and drink wine while eating. I'm still not quite sure what to drink while making beer... Tony On 6/7/07, Josh Carroll wrote: > > Of course! > > Unless, that is, the cooking is done around the grill, in which case > a good beer should be substituted. > > --Josh > > > On Jun 7, 2007, at 1:06 PM, aaron leese wrote: > > > > > > > Yeah, me too ..... though I need to interject that for proper > > improvisational cooking, one must have a bottle of wine. > > > > > > > >> From: "Tony K" > >> Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > >> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > >> Subject: Re: OT: thoughts on music and cooking > >> Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2007 13:04:35 -0400 > >> > >> It makes complete sense to me. I too love to cook. But, I have a > >> different > >> approach. I approach cooking in much the same way I do making > >> music. I > >> just make it up as I go along. I grew up in an Italian family, my > >> grandmother(s) just showed me how to make things. A very few > >> thins there > >> were recipes for, but for the most part, it was just experience. > >> I have a > >> general idea of what I want (the basics), then I just start > >> throwing things > >> in. So, my cooking and my music are never the same twice, but > >> always an > >> adventure. :) Sometimes things fail miserably, you know like when I > >> accidentally put caraway seed in spaghetti sauce. not good. And > >> sometimes > >> it's a gem. > >> > >> Tony > >> > >> On 6/7/07, Josh Carroll wrote: > >>> > >>> In addition to creating music, I also like to cook. I especially > >>> like to > >>> making (or rather, attempting to make) sauces. > >>> > >>> A few years ago I set out to make the perfect salsa. It took me > >>> a few > >>> tries, but pretty quickly I came up with a recipe that embodied > >>> what I think > >>> salsa should taste like. All my friends love it too. I usually > >>> make it a > >>> little thinner and milder than I would personally prefer, but I'm > >>> still > >>> happy with the flavor, and I feel like it has something unique > >>> about it; a > >>> little bit of myself expressed in a sauce. > >>> > >>> This year I decided that my previous recipe was too complicated, > >>> so I set > >>> out to create a new recipe with half the ingredients. I nailed > >>> it on my > >>> first try, and honestly I think the simpler recipe tastes better > >>> (though a > >>> couple of my friends would argue with me). > >>> > >>> However, I've also been trying to come up with a barbecue sauce > >>> recipe > >>> that embodies all I love about barbecue for a few years now, and > >>> after > >>> dozens of tries, I'm about ready to give up. Everything I make > >>> sucks, and > >>> while a couple of my friends are nice enough to eat my > >>> experiments, I know > >>> it's never very good. > >>> > >>> I think there are several reasons for the difference in success > >>> rates, but > >>> perhaps the most important is this: I have an exact idea of the > >>> way I think > >>> salsa should taste, and I'm familiar enough with the ingredients > >>> to make > >>> that happen pretty much every time I make it (a few flops > >>> excepted). But > >>> when it comes to barbecue sauce, I've tasted so many different > >>> influential > >>> sauces that I loved, from thin and vinegary to thick and sweet, > >>> spicy, > >>> brassy, smokey, tart, etc. that it's nearly impossible for me to > >>> envision a > >>> sauce that captures my favorite things about each. Furthermore, > >>> there are > >>> so many possibilities for different ingredients that I'm just not as > >>> familiar with, that when I taste a half-finished sauce and think > >>> "hmm... it > >>> needs a little of that sweet flavor from Sharon's house sauce," > >>> I'm left > >>> guessing at how to make that happen. > >>> > >>> > >>> -------------------------------------------------------------------- > >>> --------------------------------------------- > >>> > >>> All of that to say, I look at a lot of you guys (and groups like The > >>> Books, Sigur Ros, etc.), and it at least appears that your > >>> efforts at making > >>> music flow the way salsa-making does for me. You know exactly > >>> what you're > >>> going for, and you stick with it. Even when it takes a > >>> surprising turn, it > >>> still turns out great. And I've watched with envy as several of > >>> you have > >>> sold-off gear and simplified your sets (stripped out half of the > >>> ingredients) and come up with a new recipe that's even more > >>> profound and > >>> satisfying that what you did at first. > >>> > >>> But lately, making music has felt like trying to make the perfect > >>> barbecue > >>> sauce to me. I have so many diverse influences and sounds in my > >>> head that I > >>> want to combine, and I have all this technology at my fingertips > >>> that I'm > >>> just not as familiar with as I would like to be, that I feel > >>> overwhelmed by > >>> the endeavor. And everything I have come up with so far is just not > >>> satisfying to me. > >>> > >>> And I'd like at least a few people to think it's good too, but > >>> right now > >>> the artists I'm hearing who come closest (check out > >>> http://www.myspace.com/sonlux for one example) are too much of a > >>> stretch > >>> for even my most musically inclined friends. > >>> > >>> Has anyone else been here, or am I even making sense? Any words of > >>> wisdom? > >>> > >>> --Josh > >>> > >>> > >>> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> -==-=-=- > >> Tony > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Get a preview of Live Earth, the hottest event this summer - only > > on MSN http://liveearth.msn.com?source=msntaglineliveearthhm > > > > > > > > -- -==-=-=- Tony ------=_Part_40876_9639695.1181246208302 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline I like to drink beer while cooking, and drink wine while eating. I'm still not quite sure what to drink while making beer...

Tony

On 6/7/07, Josh Carroll <josh@infinivert.com> wrote:
Of course!

Unless, that is, the cooking is done around the grill, in which case
a good beer should be substituted.

--Josh

On Jun 7, 2007, at 1:06 PM, aaron leese wrote:

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> Yeah, me too ..... though I need to interject that for proper
> improvisational cooking, one must have a bottle of wine.
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>> From: "Tony K" <bigtonyk@gmail.com>
>> Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
>> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
>> Subject: Re: OT: thoughts on music and cooking
>> Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2007 13:04:35 -0400
>>
>> It makes complete sense to me.  I too love to cook.  But, I have a
>> different
>> approach.  I approach cooking in much the same way I do making
>> music.  I
>> just make it up as I go along.  I grew up in an Italian family, my
>> grandmother(s) just showed me how to make things.  A very few
>> thins there
>> were recipes for, but for the most part, it was just experience.
>> I have a
>> general idea of what I want (the basics), then I just start
>> throwing things
>> in.  So, my cooking and my music are never the same twice, but
>> always an
>> adventure. :)  Sometimes things fail miserably, you know like when I
>> accidentally put caraway seed in spaghetti sauce. not good.  And
>> sometimes
>> it's a gem.
>>
>> Tony
>>
>> On 6/7/07, Josh Carroll <josh@infinivert.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> In addition to creating music, I also like to cook.  I especially
>>> like to
>>> making (or rather, attempting to make) sauces.
>>>
>>> A few years ago I set out to make the perfect salsa.  It took me
>>> a few
>>> tries, but pretty quickly I came up with a recipe that embodied
>>> what I think
>>> salsa should taste like.  All my friends love it too.  I usually
>>> make it a
>>> little thinner and milder than I would personally prefer, but I'm
>>> still
>>> happy with the flavor, and I feel like it has something unique
>>> about it; a
>>> little bit of myself expressed in a sauce.
>>>
>>> This year I decided that my previous recipe was too complicated,
>>> so I set
>>> out to create a new recipe with half the ingredients.  I nailed
>>> it on my
>>> first try, and honestly I think the simpler recipe tastes better
>>> (though a
>>> couple of my friends would argue with me).
>>>
>>> However, I've also been trying to come up with a barbecue sauce
>>> recipe
>>> that embodies all I love about barbecue for a few years now, and
>>> after
>>> dozens of tries, I'm about ready to give up.  Everything I make
>>> sucks, and
>>> while a couple of my friends are nice enough to eat my
>>> experiments, I know
>>> it's never very good.
>>>
>>> I think there are several reasons for the difference in success
>>> rates, but
>>> perhaps the most important is this:  I have an exact idea of the
>>> way I think
>>> salsa should taste, and I'm familiar enough with the ingredients
>>> to make
>>> that happen pretty much every time I make it (a few flops
>>> excepted).  But
>>> when it comes to barbecue sauce, I've tasted so many different
>>> influential
>>> sauces that I loved, from thin and vinegary to thick and sweet,
>>> spicy,
>>> brassy, smokey, tart, etc. that it's nearly impossible for me to
>>> envision a
>>> sauce that captures my favorite things about each.  Furthermore,
>>> there are
>>> so many possibilities for different ingredients that I'm just not as
>>> familiar with, that when I taste a half-finished sauce and think
>>> "hmm... it
>>> needs a little of that sweet flavor from Sharon's house sauce,"
>>> I'm left
>>> guessing at how to make that happen.
>>>
>>>
>>> --------------------------------------------------------------------
>>> ---------------------------------------------
>>>
>>> All of that to say, I look at a lot of you guys (and groups like The
>>> Books, Sigur Ros, etc.), and it at least appears that your
>>> efforts at making
>>> music flow the way salsa-making does for me.  You know exactly
>>> what you're
>>> going for, and you stick with it.  Even when it takes a
>>> surprising turn, it
>>> still turns out great.  And I've watched with envy as several of
>>> you have
>>> sold-off gear and simplified your sets (stripped out half of the
>>> ingredients) and come up with a new recipe that's even more
>>> profound and
>>> satisfying that what you did at first.
>>>
>>> But lately, making music has felt like trying to make the perfect
>>> barbecue
>>> sauce to me.  I have so many diverse influences and sounds in my
>>> head that I
>>> want to combine, and I have all this technology at my fingertips
>>> that I'm
>>> just not as familiar with as I would like to be, that I feel
>>> overwhelmed by
>>> the endeavor.  And everything I have come up with so far is just not
>>> satisfying to me.
>>>
>>> And I'd like at least a few people to think it's good too, but
>>> right now
>>> the artists I'm hearing who come closest (check out
>>> http://www.myspace.com/sonlux for one example) are too much of a
>>> stretch
>>> for even my most musically inclined friends.
>>>
>>> Has anyone else been here, or am I even making sense?  Any words of
>>> wisdom?
>>>
>>> --Josh
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> -==-=-=-
>> Tony
>
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Tony ------=_Part_40876_9639695.1181246208302-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 7 20:02:21 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 06E8D3BEFC; Thu, 7 Jun 2007 20:02:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2007 16:03:36 -0400 From: Bill Fox Subject: Re: NJ Looping Festival In-reply-to: <31052549.1181160771484.JavaMail.root@m11> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <46686498.4050108@soundscapes.us> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit References: <465F2B78.9060608@biink.com> <29930036.1180642869690.JavaMail.root@m11> <465F5E2E.9030009@soundscapes.us> <20063149.1180670699195.JavaMail.root@m11> <46670D73.6030402@soundscapes.us> <31052549.1181160771484.JavaMail.root@m11> User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.12 (Windows/20070509) Resent-Message-ID: <_roibB.A.eXF.MRGaGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70940 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2007 20:02:21 +0000 (UTC) Tony K wrote: > Godfrey Daniels? Muhlenberg's Baker Center? Civic Theater on 19th st? > Scottish Rite Cathedral? > There should be something around. Hi Tony, Are you suggesting these for Soundscapes or for an east coast looping festival? Godfrey's is a folk and roots music club so I never thought of holding anything there. I've never been to the Baker Center but imagine it is too large and expensive for Soundscapes. 19th Street is also too big and the Scottish Rite Cathedral is *WAY* too big. I need a small place for less than $300 for the day. Suitability for a loopers event depends upon what the organizer has in mind. And I'm not interested in organizing any events at the moment. My plate is overflowing. Cheers, Bill From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 7 20:04:50 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 304693BF1A; Thu, 7 Jun 2007 20:04:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <053801c7a93f$1719a960$6401a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <000c01c7a8d1$3e167980$1001a8c0@succubus> Subject: Re: still on the interface quest...laptops w/o Firewire Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2007 14:04:42 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70941 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2007 20:04:50 +0000 (UTC) Oh you think that because I have a German last name that I can read the text on this site? :) In Engish: http://www.marian.de/en/products/ucon_cx But USB? Nahhhh. I'm not game for that. I'm still leading toward the Pre-Sonus Firebox with a mac, because I really like the idea of having the MIDI I/O built into the audio interface, so I can ditch my USB MIDI dongle. Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" >> comes with Cubebase LE). I was ready to buy one the other >> day, but my ThinkPad T60p doesn't have firewire...so I would > > As a post scriptum to that topic, and to help you refrain from going Mac: > There's this one: > http://www.marian.de/products/ucon_cx > > USB 2.0, halfrack, four (!) micpres, TOSLINK I/O, two MIDI pairs. I don't > know about Marian's skills regarding analogue/mixed signal (pres, > converters), but I have two ADAT interface boards by them which work like > a > charm. > > Rainer > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 7 20:06:08 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BDC213BF24; Thu, 7 Jun 2007 20:06:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <46686531.5080403@biink.com> Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2007 16:06:09 -0400 From: David Beardsley Reply-To: db@biink.com Organization: Biink & SSI User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2 (Windows/20050317) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: NJ Looping Festival References: <465F2B78.9060608@biink.com> <29930036.1180642869690.JavaMail.root@m11> <465F5E2E.9030009@soundscapes.us> <20063149.1180670699195.JavaMail.root@m11> <46670D73.6030402@soundscapes.us> <31052549.1181160771484.JavaMail.root@m11> <46686498.4050108@soundscapes.us> In-Reply-To: <46686498.4050108@soundscapes.us> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70942 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2007 20:06:08 +0000 (UTC) Bill Fox wrote: > > > I need a small place for less than $300 for the day. Suitability for > a loopers event depends upon what the organizer has in mind. And I'm > not interested in organizing any events at the moment. My plate is > overflowing. Then why do you need a small place for less than $300 for the day? -- * David Beardsley * microtonal guitar * http://biink.com/db * http://biink.com/poole From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 7 20:09:17 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id ECB563BF11; Thu, 7 Jun 2007 20:09:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: References: <236442AA-800E-4548-AAAF-1FEA6A4483E7@infinivert.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <77BB8BFE-F3A5-4F4C-B02D-D8C0EA26A134@ubergadget.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Rev Fever Subject: Re: OT: thoughts on music and cooking Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2007 13:09:14 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70943 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2007 20:09:17 +0000 (UTC) Single malt scotch. :-) -Rev.Fever On Jun 7, 2007, at 12:56 PM, Tony K wrote: > I like to drink beer while cooking, and drink wine while eating. > I'm still not quite sure what to drink while making beer... > > Tony > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 7 20:18:27 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B18463BF1A; Thu, 7 Jun 2007 20:18:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <5.2.1.1.0.20070607130709.02dc0fd0@mail.onemodelplace.com> X-Sender: CaraQuinn@mail.onemodelplace.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.1 Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2007 13:18:15 -0700 To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com From: Cara Quinn Subject: Back, yet again, from the great beyond!... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-7E7E7DA3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70944 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2007 20:18:26 +0000 (UTC) Hey All, -just wanted to send along a quickie note to peek in and say hello!! :) I've been away on a lil hiatus of sorts for about four years and have just resubbed to LD and will be performing at Y2K6 later this year... Wow! I must say that salsa recipes weren't something I was used to from this list a while back, but damn! way freakin' cool!!! lol! Love it!!! :) Anyway, am in LA now, am getting my EDP back after four years or so of not having any kind of looper / instrument / most any musical equip at all! Pretty Wild! Anyway, nice to see some familiar faces, or email addies rather! :) and thanks to Rick Walker for inviting me to play the festival. So, rather than talk yer' ears off, -will again, just say a big HELLO! and then go back to sun bathing! lol! Have an awesome day and catch y'all on the flip!!! Smiles, Cara --- View my on-line portfolio at: http://www.onemodelplace.com/CaraQuinn "The only things I really think are important, are love, and each other. -Then, anything is possible..." http://home.earthlink.net/~cara-quinn -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 269.8.9/832 - Release Date: 6/4/2007 6:43 PM From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 7 20:18:50 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 916C03BF24; Thu, 7 Jun 2007 20:18:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=Ddc2cMjmTtpYGdadaxuwB71EEBN5oU0RO4ShZOmMzSSLaLfW8gu1iaii0kPDq+FJHYQK7bGjrQ0xGBDamyFhblYwp/l0I+Jwydr0XXMjKW+Aq5E5XwBTcx7aJvqN4ADBUlssMiWwzssBS9ZOj9UK0l8QNePWWZ8xIdbdLqKN+ew= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=Eqm8/anYv8Yk5SC+vwL1VhU69ohcgITPfdHrFOD0ToimdsG06Z4XNSR3JZnb2eaaq24Nc/wyEd/Oop+QAMceT0BOBZ3mPaPFskTns1bPfjrWH5X9oFVAZIP3/5J8eP3pVWFxYmMzlxkDR0ihwKo0rupO3U1DhM5cAkyJxzfO3Kg= Message-ID: Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2007 13:18:48 -0700 From: "Michael Billow" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: AW: do we need a forum ? In-Reply-To: <46686280.1080206@soundscapes.us> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_50654_15791730.1181247528995" References: <49433.68.123.26.152.1180761233.squirrel@webmail.zerocrossing.net> <49460.68.123.26.152.1180761804.squirrel@webmail.zerocrossing.net> <6397626.1180762545471.JavaMail.root@m11> <46670E5A.9090301@soundscapes.us> <13065124.1181198276669.JavaMail.root@m11> <46686280.1080206@soundscapes.us> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70945 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2007 20:18:50 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_50654_15791730.1181247528995 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Well this is why I personally made the simple suggestion of using the name of the group in the header. I don't care to change anything other than the name in the heading for organizational purposes. These posts are standing out among all my other groups in a way that isn't useful or helpful, making it difficult to even use the group. On 6/7/07, Bill Fox wrote: > > > *I* don't know why this is under such lengthy discussion because this > list's owner has stated that it will always be a mailing list. > > ------=_Part_50654_15791730.1181247528995 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Well this is why I personally made the simple suggestion of using
the name of the group in the header. I don't care to change anything
other than the name in the heading for organizational purposes. These
posts are standing out among all my other groups in a way that isn't
useful or helpful, making it difficult to even use the group.

On 6/7/07, Bill Fox <billyfox@soundscapes.us > wrote:

*I* don't know why this is under such lengthy discussion because this
list's owner has stated that it will always be a mailing list.

------=_Part_50654_15791730.1181247528995-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 7 20:18:52 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DE6363BF34; Thu, 7 Jun 2007 20:18:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=jVidSyx8lUQq05kZFnufT+EAO5qswDskHeLJSTJVzAdopH2T+cn0ox9Y5RjdWFphxh7j7GK4qxChAJ7M4SjkJnSRy5DAyqJUBsCUh5jylupWFH+VoMhKfZgn3csnXG91WpN9Wa9lDSYgKwHYbbjWrkJ1VmYSI1blHUa9e27fO5s= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=GGyOulse/tjUPlA3PrHJv2b3j1btfqskEfGIsPeA/+WEhkMfcC3GtJM2Lz6S8t/e2UoU2k2oyZNu2kEOzh0kNrBtYh3OadTrecBmBlVDhECQoD7JjkLoozO8Kvp0qCgTTcyD91VvXDus2anYZz2ghJY2HOLu4/Su49maiYz8pMc= Message-ID: Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2007 16:18:51 -0400 From: "Tony K" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: NJ Looping Festival In-Reply-To: <46686531.5080403@biink.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_41100_1276062.1181247531446" References: <465F2B78.9060608@biink.com> <29930036.1180642869690.JavaMail.root@m11> <465F5E2E.9030009@soundscapes.us> <20063149.1180670699195.JavaMail.root@m11> <46670D73.6030402@soundscapes.us> <31052549.1181160771484.JavaMail.root@m11> <46686498.4050108@soundscapes.us> <46686531.5080403@biink.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70946 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2007 20:18:52 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_41100_1276062.1181247531446 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Because I asked why he wasn't doing the Soundscapes at the Icehouse anymore. I was suggesting those venues for either one. You might check Godfrey's, you never know. Worst case is they say that they are not interested. Baker hall is pretty good sized too. I'll keep thinkin... How many people do you think would attend? I haven't been in the student union at Muhlenberg for quite a few years, but they had a little club (The Red Door?) that used to have performers. Open mics, etc. Tony On 6/7/07, David Beardsley wrote: > > Bill Fox wrote: > > > > > > > I need a small place for less than $300 for the day. Suitability for > > a loopers event depends upon what the organizer has in mind. And I'm > > not interested in organizing any events at the moment. My plate is > > overflowing. > > > Then why do you need a small place for less than $300 for the day? > > -- > * David Beardsley > * microtonal guitar > * http://biink.com/db > * http://biink.com/poole > > > -- -==-=-=- Tony ------=_Part_41100_1276062.1181247531446 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Because I asked why he wasn't doing the Soundscapes at the Icehouse anymore.

I was suggesting those venues for either one. You might check Godfrey's, you never know. Worst case is they say that they are not interested. Baker hall is pretty good sized too. I'll keep thinkin... How many people do you think would attend? I haven't been in the student union at Muhlenberg for quite a few years, but they had a little club (The Red Door?) that used to have performers. Open mics, etc.

Tony

On 6/7/07, David Beardsley <db@biink.com> wrote:
Bill Fox wrote:

>
>
> I need a small place for less than $300 for the day.  Suitability for
> a loopers event depends upon what the organizer has in mind.  And I'm
> not interested in organizing any events at the moment.  My plate is
> overflowing.

Then why do you need a small place for less than $300 for the day?

--
* David Beardsley
* microtonal guitar
* http://biink.com/db
* http://biink.com/poole

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Tony ------=_Part_41100_1276062.1181247531446-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 7 20:24:25 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8CCEE3BF29; Thu, 7 Jun 2007 20:24:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=q+I9AbHMaVWxRrXywZpeH6uILYVl+I8Gsco4EIiuysbHqZdxKjQL+1W/Rbfol9A3JNxcSmy2GVIrNqRQ1om7snmZVpG5eYsKwLMPs1N07TM2+2TNiA2/dTHAmyri5EazvPZdw3IxSgvw2pJJmfxBUz0dNP7R6uJSQxDLc8XezjU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=ICznEbiEcTqY1CrZanqV0IDI7YZGICXEmD2eh683wCgwL6NeQ9/apjmjBtGbnFdxVSHa+Ziapc5+gHuOnj5qGVl4gp20jkbciz/qwGzF4OkNu2EMl9KAfc2W2tPgFDWhX/mIy6wpFgDffQL1zDDrhhGOjrLTnR9fOvmMN2ZxrNE= Message-ID: Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2007 13:24:23 -0700 From: "Michael Billow" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: cassette -> mp3 In-Reply-To: <20070607125712.82286.qmail@web34303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_50734_11729659.1181247863514" References: <20070607125712.82286.qmail@web34303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70947 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2007 20:24:25 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_50734_11729659.1181247863514 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline I did the same thing a couple years ago - went through all my cassettes and reel to reels and digitized the recordings. It was not an easy project, after I digitized them I "cleaned up" most of them using some audio cleanin= g software which I was happy with. The process was time consuming but its a simple setup: Just ran the line ou= t from my cassette deck into the line in of my sound card. I used "Sound Forge" to digitize, but any standard Digital Audio software will do. And don't despair, it does come to an end. On 6/7/07, ditch wrestler wrote: > > I've spent the last 4 and a bit months loading my cd's into itunes. And > it's now time to tackle the two medium-sized boxes of cassettes in my > closet... > > I would like to keep this as stone-simple as possible as I ain't no > techno-weenie. But I know there's more than just a few techno-weenies he= re, > so that's way I'm asking... > > Can I do this with just an rca to 1/8" male trs cable to run my cassette > deck into my soundcard, xp, and itunes? > > My machine is a hamster-driven P3 and I'm hoping to avoid anything that a= ) > costs money, b) will slow down my already slow computer, and c) not turn > this into a labour-intensive, "hovering over my computer for the entire > length of the cassette" event. > > Yeah, not asking for too much, am I? ;-) > > I know already once I upload the cassette, that I'm going to have to go > back and put markers into to seperate the songs so this isn't going to be > like itunes where I can just toss in the cd and walk away. > > And if I just had a handful of cassettes, I'd find some local studio and > pay them to do it for me but I figure I've got at least 200 cassettes of > stuff that's either oop, bootlegs, really obscure, etc. that can't be fou= nd > on cd... > > Sorry for the interuption of the regularly schedule LD content. Feel fre= e > to contact me off-line. Thanks in advance. > > > ditchwrestler (aka ted). > > > > "Indeed, naturally I think that a film should have a beginning, middle, > and an end =97 but not necessarily in that order." Jean Luc Goddard > > ------------------------------ > Take the Internet to Go: Yahoo!Go puts the Internet in your pocket:ma= il, news, photos & more. > ------=_Part_50734_11729659.1181247863514 Content-Type: text/html; charset=WINDOWS-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline I did the same thing a couple years ago - went through all my cassettes and= reel to reels and digitized the recordings. It was not an easy project, af= ter I digitized them I "cleaned up" most of them using some audio= cleaning software which I was happy with.
The process was time consuming but its a simple setup: Just ran the lin= e out from my cassette deck into the line in of my sound card. I used "= ;Sound Forge" to digitize, but any standard Digital Audio software wil= l do.=20
And don't despair, it does come to an end.

On 6/7/07, ditch wrestler <ditchwrestler@yahoo.com> wrote:
I'= ;ve spent the last 4 and a bit months loading my cd's into itunes.= And it's now time to tackle the two medium-sized boxes of casset= tes in my closet...

I would like to keep this as stone-simple a= s possible as I ain't no techno-weenie. But I know there's mo= re than just a few techno-weenies here, so that's way I'm asking...=

Can I do this with just an rca to 1/8" male = trs cable to run my cassette deck into my soundcard, xp, and itunes?
=

My machine is a hamster-driven P3 and I'm= hoping to avoid anything that a) costs money, b) will slow down my already= slow computer, and c) not turn this into a labour-intensive, "hoverin= g over my computer for the entire length of the cassette" event.

Yeah, not asking for too much, am I? ;-)

I know already once I upload the cassette, tha= t I'm going to have to go back and put markers into to seperate the songs so this isn't going to be l= ike itunes where I can just toss in the cd and walk away.

= ;

And if I just had a handful of cassettes, I'd find some l= ocal studio and pay them to do it for me but I figure I've got at least= 200 cassettes of stuff that's either oop, bootlegs, really obscure, et= c. that can't be found on cd...

Sorry for the interuption of the regularly = schedule LD content. Feel free to contact me off-line. Thanks i= n advance.

ditchwrestler = (aka ted).

"Indeed, naturally I think that a film should have= a beginning, middle, and an end =97 but not necessarily in that order.&quo= t; Jean Luc Goddard
=20
Take the Internet to Go: Yahoo!Go puts the Internet in your pocket: mail, news, photos & more.

------=_Part_50734_11729659.1181247863514-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 7 21:37:06 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EB9D03BF04; Thu, 7 Jun 2007 21:37:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <46687A7E.5050900@addcom.de> Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2007 23:37:02 +0200 From: Stefan Tiedje User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.0 (Macintosh/20070326) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: POST YOUR SETUP References: <005a01c7a366$dca0dcf0$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> In-Reply-To: <005a01c7a366$dca0dcf0$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70948 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2007 21:37:05 +0000 (UTC) Michael Peters schrieb: > :-) very simple. I've grown too old to schlepp tons of gear. Yeah, mine fits into a small rucksack: 12" Powerbook running Max/MSP, Esi Quatafire 610, up to three fader boxes (Fostex MixTAB, Doepfer PocketFader and PocketDial), Yamaha CBX K1 mini keyboard - all fed by an AudioTechnica headset, eventually some additional Mics. For "bigger" sets I can throw in a Peavey RQ 200 Mixer (the smallest mixer I know with 16 inputs, 6 of them mic ins...) Sound sources include, beside my voice, plastic water bottles and Tibetan bowls... Stefan -- Stefan Tiedje------------x------- --_____-----------|-------------- --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()------- -- _|_)----|-----()-------------- ----------()--------www.ccmix.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 7 22:06:28 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B7F263BF06; Thu, 7 Jun 2007 22:06:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: eterogeneo Reply-To: eterogeneo To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: still on the interface quest... Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2007 00:04:25 +0200 Message-ID: X-Mailer: EPOC e-mail Versione 2.10 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70949 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2007 22:06:28 +0000 (UTC) Hi Duncan, can you say on wich laptop you made that test ? fabio From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 7 22:45:01 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E5C343BEDB; Thu, 7 Jun 2007 22:45:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=cbmvmrdiMV6j7T4lfboScE1dfUwzurQsRe6+BK2DgZT9p1GfSNwEe4OkhFRJeXW6uxu1Zua9crHtj+w0yvLZWqJ1eQkECiM6kdprrlR+on3idAINaixUK9rLYbe4T3eiyKS9wtBmp6fuFd+Llf69n2dnHvrqFfaZao6upjL7Vu8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=hFlwPBkvxFXUhwEo+RC8DjfZj+aRhHJFojqBb/Yf2Xbnvy8BZSwFxktsUGFPqOiFkB8vGJOXmKOM9/1SPycFJtxYkF5ge9udKKq4NhkXUvKQIRr5LGJDWahVwQC7Q0PpudCFJC9LCnPErElFmzivP3pwp500nt5S9E3suecdHfA= Message-ID: Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2007 17:44:58 -0500 From: "Doug Cox" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: AW: do we need a forum ? In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_74677_4390788.1181256298580" References: <49433.68.123.26.152.1180761233.squirrel@webmail.zerocrossing.net> <6397626.1180762545471.JavaMail.root@m11> <46670E5A.9090301@soundscapes.us> <13065124.1181198276669.JavaMail.root@m11> <46686280.1080206@soundscapes.us> Resent-Message-ID: <35dau.A.InH.spIaGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70950 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2007 22:45:00 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_74677_4390788.1181256298580 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline You're posting from a GMail account. Read up on labels. On 6/7/07, Michael Billow wrote: > > Well this is why I personally made the simple suggestion of using > the name of the group in the header. I don't care to change anything > other than the name in the heading for organizational purposes. These > posts are standing out among all my other groups in a way that isn't > useful or helpful, making it difficult to even use the group. > > On 6/7/07, Bill Fox wrote: > > > > > > *I* don't know why this is under such lengthy discussion because this > > list's owner has stated that it will always be a mailing list. > > > > > ------=_Part_74677_4390788.1181256298580 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline You're posting from a GMail account. Read up on labels.

On 6/7/07, Michael Billow <mbillow@gmail.com> wrote:
Well this is why I personally made the simple suggestion of using
the name of the group in the header. I don't care to change anything
other than the name in the heading for organizational purposes. These
posts are standing out among all my other groups in a way that isn't
useful or helpful, making it difficult to even use the group.

On 6/7/07, Bill Fox < billyfox@soundscapes.us > wrote:

*I* don't know why this is under such lengthy discussion because this
list's owner has stated that it will always be a mailing list.

------=_Part_74677_4390788.1181256298580-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 7 23:21:36 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 16B3C3BEFE; Thu, 7 Jun 2007 23:21:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Qua Veda" To: Subject: Headset mic Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2007 16:21:22 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 In-Reply-To: <46687A7E.5050900@addcom.de> Thread-Index: AcepTMfq9Yl80IaISe6higHxG/drkAADXtSw Message-Id: <200706071627265.SM08752@quahome> X-RBL-Warning: REVDNS: This E-mail was sent from a MUA/MTA 206.212.233.27 with no reverse DNS entry. X-Declude-Sender: qua@oregon.com [206.212.233.27] X-Declude-Spoolname: D944106d200009ab9.smd X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude JunkMail (www.declude.com) for spam. Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70951 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2007 23:21:36 +0000 (UTC) Hi Stefan, You mentioned you are using an AudioTechnica headset mic. Sounds like a very convenient mic that frees up your hands to operate faders, play instruments etc. Can you elaborate on your use of the mic? Model # of the mic, how it sounds compared to other popular vocal mics, feedback rejection etc ? Thanks -Qua -----Original Message----- From: Stefan Tiedje [mailto:Stefan-Tiedje@addcom.de] Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2007 2:37 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: POST YOUR SETUP Michael Peters schrieb: > :-) very simple. I've grown too old to schlepp tons of gear. Yeah, mine fits into a small rucksack: 12" Powerbook running Max/MSP, Esi Quatafire 610, up to three fader boxes (Fostex MixTAB, Doepfer PocketFader and PocketDial), Yamaha CBX K1 mini keyboard - all fed by an AudioTechnica headset, eventually some additional Mics. For "bigger" sets I can throw in a Peavey RQ 200 Mixer (the smallest mixer I know with 16 inputs, 6 of them mic ins...) Sound sources include, beside my voice, plastic water bottles and Tibetan bowls... Stefan -- Stefan Tiedje------------x------- --_____-----------|-------------- --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()------- -- _|_)----|-----()-------------- ----------()--------www.ccmix.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 8 00:12:49 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4FBB13BEE6; Fri, 8 Jun 2007 00:12:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <058001c7a961$b9c58540$6401a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <200706071627265.SM08752@quahome> Subject: Re: Headset mic Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2007 18:12:32 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70952 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2007 00:12:49 +0000 (UTC) And how does it compare to the Sure? http://www.shure.com/ProAudio/Products/WiredMicrophones/us_pro_SM10A-CN_content I am thinking of getting this one, because it has been compared with the SM58, which I'm fond of. Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Qua Veda" To: Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2007 5:21 PM Subject: Headset mic > Hi Stefan, > You mentioned you are using an AudioTechnica headset mic. Sounds like a > very convenient mic that frees up your hands to operate faders, play > instruments etc. > > Can you elaborate on your use of the mic? Model # of the mic, how it > sounds compared to other popular vocal mics, feedback rejection etc ? > > Thanks > -Qua > > -----Original Message----- > From: Stefan Tiedje [mailto:Stefan-Tiedje@addcom.de] > Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2007 2:37 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: POST YOUR SETUP > > Michael Peters schrieb: >> :-) very simple. I've grown too old to schlepp tons of gear. > > Yeah, mine fits into a small rucksack: 12" Powerbook running Max/MSP, Esi > Quatafire 610, up to three fader boxes (Fostex MixTAB, Doepfer PocketFader > and PocketDial), Yamaha CBX K1 mini keyboard - all fed by an AudioTechnica > headset, eventually some additional Mics. For "bigger" > sets I can throw in a Peavey RQ 200 Mixer (the smallest mixer I know with > 16 > inputs, 6 of them mic ins...) > > Sound sources include, beside my voice, plastic water bottles and Tibetan > bowls... > > Stefan > > -- > Stefan Tiedje------------x------- > --_____-----------|-------------- > --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()------- > -- _|_)----|-----()-------------- > ----------()--------www.ccmix.com > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 8 03:55:01 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 388B43BF05; Fri, 8 Jun 2007 03:55:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <0938F7D7-C25A-4AA4-B524-C1DCDFB8A0EA@jamesrichmond.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: James Richmond Subject: best compact looper pedal Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2007 23:54:56 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70953 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2007 03:55:01 +0000 (UTC) Hi all, I am really fond of the Echo Pro as it allows me to drop to 1/2 speed and reverse. Is there a compact pedal that can loop, overdub, do 1/2 speed and reverse? I don't need undo or multiple switchable layers- just something compact for my pedalboard. It seems that most of the compact pedals are crippled in some way. Regards, Jim Richmond From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 8 04:29:03 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B16EC3BF0C; Fri, 8 Jun 2007 04:29:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at cavesofice.org Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2007 00:29:10 -0400 (EDT) From: burnett@pobox.com X-X-Sender: badger@giggles.cavesofice.org To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: best compact looper pedal In-Reply-To: <0938F7D7-C25A-4AA4-B524-C1DCDFB8A0EA@jamesrichmond.com> Message-ID: References: <0938F7D7-C25A-4AA4-B524-C1DCDFB8A0EA@jamesrichmond.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <5BXI_D.A.-qE.PsNaGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70954 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2007 04:29:03 +0000 (UTC) On Thu, 7 Jun 2007, James Richmond wrote: > I am really fond of the Echo Pro as it allows me to drop to 1/2 speed and > reverse. > Is there a compact pedal that can loop, overdub, do 1/2 speed and reverse? The Boss RC-20 and RC-20XL do loop, overdub, and reverse, but not 1/2 speed. Which compact pedals do 1/2 speed? Steve Burnett Subscape Annex http://www.subscapeannex.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 8 04:39:06 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4BD5D3BF05; Fri, 8 Jun 2007 04:39:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <05ef01c7a986$efdb58b0$6401a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Creative Loop Music Unfit for Children Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2007 22:38:59 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/related; type="multipart/alternative"; boundary="=_MAILPROV.cableone.net-12092-1181277544-0001-2" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70955 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2007 04:39:06 +0000 (UTC) This is a MIME-formatted message. If you see this text it means that your E-mail software does not support MIME-formatted messages. --=_MAILPROV.cableone.net-12092-1181277544-0001-2 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=_MAILPROV.cableone.net-12092-1181277544-0001-3" This is a MIME-formatted message. If you see this text it means that your E-mail software does not support MIME-formatted messages. --=_MAILPROV.cableone.net-12092-1181277544-0001-3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Here's a peak of my new CD project, "Music Unfit for Children". Rick = Walker has inspired me to try something with non-traditional = instruments/gadgets, and this will also be my first CD with my new = max/msp system (all max/msp patches and looper, and only one VST, = Reaktor), thanks to Jeff Kaiser. The project will be done with nothing but children's toys (my own kids') = and manipuation with my laptop, max/msp + reaktor. It's really fun! I = hope that it makes adults laugh/giggle and children cry....except for my = own, of course. I'll teach them to love it or else. :) =20 Here is the first tune: "Bright Lights" (there is a fair amount of space = in this tune, sort of ambient). http://www.box.net/shared/static/2ssogz1src.mp3 Featured instrument: The vtech "Bright Lights" phone - = http://www.toysrus.com/sm-bright-lights-phone--pi-2373416.html This toy has some interesting sounds: frog, duck, weird atonal phrase = (unusual for a kids toy), some goofy melodies, etc.=20 Kris *************************************************************************= * Krispen Hartung www.krispenhartung.com / www.myspace.com/krispenhartung info@krispenhartung.com / 1.208.724.5603=20 Discography - http://www.krispenhartung.com/catalogue.htm CD Baby Discography: http://cdbaby.com/all/khartung --=_MAILPROV.cableone.net-12092-1181277544-0001-3 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Here's a peak of my new CD project, = "Music Unfit=20 for Children". Rick Walker has inspired me to try something with=20 non-traditional instruments/gadgets, and this will also be my first = CD with=20 my new max/msp system (all max/msp patches and looper, and only one VST, = Reaktor), thanks to Jeff Kaiser.

The project will be done with = nothing but=20 children's toys (my own kids') and manipuation with my laptop, max/msp + = reaktor. It's really fun! I hope that it makes adults laugh/giggle = and=20 children cry....except for my own, of course. I'll teach them to love it = or=20 else. :)

Here is the first tune: "Bright Lights" = (there=20 is a fair amount of space in this tune, sort of = ambient).

http://www.box.n= et/shared/static/2ssogz1src.mp3

Featured instrument: = The vtech=20 "Bright Lights" phone - h= ttp://www.toysrus.com/sm-bright-lights-phone--pi-2373416.html<= /DIV>

This toy has some interesting sounds: = frog, duck,=20 weird atonal phrase (unusual for a kids toy), some goofy melodies, etc.=20

Kris

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info@krispenhartung.com /=20 1.208.724.5603
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<001f01c7a993$70d607b0$52821710$@com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: Acepk28VEYqoe4JJR0qotZBluSuZSQ== Content-Language: en-us X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX19uN3Auf1eNZO0j2UCRc+Fx+96vIC9n1H4WTvU BFE8WDhjL2b3uaCmm3hNDb8cXxwqwGUe/VhQ6fEl5yJI9emCVl PxaMaThN+oc9GcWum6Sop1QT3sl1GJYj4vxqryO2xc= Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70956 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2007 06:08:49 +0000 (UTC) The DL4 will, but some people don't call it 'compact'. Dave Eichenberger http://www.daveeichenberger.com > > On Thu, 7 Jun 2007, James Richmond wrote: > > > I am really fond of the Echo Pro as it allows me to drop to 1/2 speed and > > reverse. > > Is there a compact pedal that can loop, overdub, do 1/2 speed and reverse? 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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 8 09:15:00 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 445ED3BEF0; Fri, 8 Jun 2007 09:15:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <019a01c7a9ad$7d33eda0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "RICK WALKER" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: headset mic Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2007 02:14:59 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.4 required=1.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,AWL, STOX_REPLY_TYPE,TVD_RCVD_SINGLE autolearn=disabled version=3.2.0 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.0 (2007-05-01) on mail.cruzio.com Resent-Message-ID: <_eMtUB.A.VgE.U4RaGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70957 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2007 09:15:00 +0000 (UTC) Someone asked how the Audio Technica headset mic compared to the Shure headset mic. I have to say , though I had to diss anything, that the Shure headset microphone is a total waste of money. It has such limited bandwidth. I was extremely dissapointed with it. It didn't come close to comparing with a typical Shure SM58 stage microphone which is a good but not even great stage vocal microphone. I'd buy the Audio Technica any day. But because I've been interested in headset microphones all of my life I want to share something cautionary about their use............ A lot of good live oriented dynamic (non headset) microphones have very prominent proximity effect (the effect that rolls on considerable bass frequencies the closer you get to the mic). Singers like Tony Bennett are famous for knowing how to use proximity effect to very effect usage in terms of controlling the dynamics and timbre of the microphone. Good singers learn how to ''play" the mic like an instrument. You lose all proximity effect or at least the ability to change it when you wear a headset microphone. For my money, you lose so much subtetly in your ability to express yourselves vocally that I don't think I'd ever wear one (watch, mr. hypocrite will probably be gushing about his headset microphone within six months...........lol). Instead, I'd go for a pair of in ear monitors or wireless headphone monitors (the cheapies sold at Radio Shack are actually amazing sounding and eliminate all feedback problems with live microphones). This will give you the ability to wander all over stage and then 'hit the mic' when it is time to do so. You really lose the ability to control things like beatboxing by using a headset mic, where techniques like cradling the mic with your hands makes for super deep bass sounds that are used by all the pro beatboxers. Okee dokee, that's my two cents. rick walker From BPOL@poste.it Fri Jun 8 13:05:42 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 5142 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Fri, 08 Jun 2007 13:05:41 UTC Received: from meadowbrook.net (meadowbrook.net [204.200.197.141]) by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E1B593BEF0 for ; Fri, 8 Jun 2007 13:05:41 +0000 (UTC) Received: from User (static-62-123-157-185.atlanet.it [62.123.157.185] (may be forged)) (authenticated bits=0) by meadowbrook.net (8.12.11.20060614/8.12.9) with ESMTP id l58Bbf5u070736; Fri, 8 Jun 2007 07:37:43 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200706081137.l58Bbf5u070736@meadowbrook.net> From: "Poste.it" Subject: Il tuo conto di postebanking sara chiuso oggi Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2007 13.38.00 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1251" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 1 X-MSMail-Priority: High X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 To: undisclosed-recipients:;





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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 8 14:28:33 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D81313BEE8; Fri, 8 Jun 2007 14:28:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Fri, 08 Jun 2007 10:29:43 -0400 From: Bill Fox Subject: Galactic Travels Playlist #532 for June 7, 2007 To: undisclosed-recipients: ; Message-id: <466967D7.5030906@soundscapes.us> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.12 (Windows/20070509) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70958 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2007 14:28:33 +0000 (UTC) http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2007/070607.html Galactic Travels is an electronic, ambient, and space music show, that airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA, 93.9 FM in Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ, 93.7 FM in Fogelsville and Trexlertown, and webcasting on the internet. WDIY also broadcasts in Digital HD at 88.1 FM. Show #532 June 7, 2007 RECAP: On this show, I started a month-long focus on Robert Rich. The Featured CD at Midnight was "Atlas Dei" on Soundscape Records. The Vinyl Starter was from the LP "Computer Don't Break Down" by Don Slepian on Don and Judy Records and released in 1981. Robert Rich: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2007/focus.html#jun PLAYLIST: 11:04 pm ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ==================== ==================== ============================== Don Slepian Glimmerings Computer Don't Break Down (Don & Judy) Klaus Schulze Euro Caravan Kontinuum (Synthetic Symphony) Broekhuis, Keller, Orange & Blue Orange (Manikin) and Schonwalder Michael Peck Cold Flow Glacial (Gears of Sand) Michael Peck Crawl Glacial (Gears of Sand) Fulton/Reaves Endless Range and The Range (Hypnos/Binary) Project Time Fulton/Reaves Fascination The Range (Hypnos/Binary) Project 12:00 am ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ==================== ==================== ============================== Robert Rich Opening Atlas Dei (Soundscape) Robert Rich Mythos Atlas Dei (Soundscape) Robert Rich Starmaker Atlas Dei (Soundscape) Robert Rich Glint In Her Eyes Atlas Dei (Soundscape) Robert Rich Night Spinning Atlas Dei (Soundscape) Inward Robert Rich Poppy Fields Atlas Dei (Soundscape) Robert Rich Deconstructions Atlas Dei (Soundscape) Robert Rich Symbolics Atlas Dei (Soundscape) Robert Rich Liquid Air Atlas Dei (Soundscape) Robert Rich The Core Atlas Dei (Soundscape) Robert Rich Never Alone Atlas Dei (Soundscape) Robert Rich Minaret Atlas Dei (Soundscape) Robert Rich Terra Meta Atlas Dei (Soundscape) 1:00 am * = excerpt VA = Various Artists (compilation) ++ = Advance CDR from Artist NEXT SHOW: On the next Galactic Travels, I'll continue the month-long focus on Robert Rich. The Featured CD at Midnight will be "Echo of Small Things" on Soundscape Records. Bill ======================================================================= Host of Galactic Travels, an electronic, ambient, and space music show, Thursdays at 11:04 pm EDT (GMT-4:00) on WDIY 88.1 FM in Allentown and Bethlehem, 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg, and on 93.7 FM in Trexlertown and Fogelsville. WDIY also broadcasts in HD Digital Radio on 88.1 FM. Galactic Travels web site - http://wdiy.org/programs/gt RSS News Feed: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/rss/enews.xml Podcasts: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/rss/gt.xml Listen on-line to WDIY at http://wdiy.org and click on the LISTEN link or go directly to: http://rm1.refugemedia.com/ramgen/encoder/wdiy.rm To subscribe to the galactic-travels mailing list, click on [Join This Group!] at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/galactic-travels Playlists are also published at: h t t p : / / b i l l f o x . b l o g s p o t . c o m From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 8 15:06:28 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 13D203BEE7; Fri, 8 Jun 2007 15:06:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <001f01c7a993$70d607b0$52821710$@com> References: <001f01c7a993$70d607b0$52821710$@com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: James Richmond Subject: Re: best compact looper pedal Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2007 11:06:23 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70959 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2007 15:06:28 +0000 (UTC) On Jun 8, 2007, at 2:08 AM, dave eichenberger wrote: > The DL4 will, but some people don't call it 'compact'. > > > Dave Eichenberger > http://www.daveeichenberger.com I've had a look at the DL4 previously- there doesn't seem to be a way to have dedicated buttons for 1/2 speed and reverse. Using a midi controller with the Echo pro I'm able to dedicate buttons to each function, which is much better for performance. 1/2 speed and reverse are so central to what I am doing with loops, I really can't sacrifice either of them for portability. Bollocks... Jim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 8 16:46:05 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 106463BEFF; Fri, 8 Jun 2007 16:46:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=zPxlN/xRtFIPAGs1Rc5oqweZtnkEbVgoWPNmSNTCLsmaWqTIW890SszTYo8mPQsoy1+lK8k9yMwH2YWn9uiWknaL6pL+5WezoJGMtzS8L9tAKe09hRk9X7QtpKRccffmUIDLltyFvXMw38W1NJSJYrD9T8Tw4lktpakwhd/aMjs=; X-YMail-OSG: XLMMidAVM1lW53UDkUDDGf5KlZxSAao6JPQIkXx.TkJ4mXcvbuZOLF1qRmc1w4cfnxsvzEJuEwlMtrOmBwSLwOkHdn6zChWDuFvYadLbGd21It1VrkNtiGBbG7r0cg-- Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2007 09:46:02 -0700 (PDT) From: Paul Richards Subject: OT: Boss RC-50 For Sale To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-485231257-1181321162=:57987" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <965607.57987.qm@web35108.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70960 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2007 16:46:05 +0000 (UTC) --0-485231257-1181321162=:57987 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi: If anyone has an interest, I'm going to sell my RC-50 on eBay. Thought I'd place the info here. It's in absolute mint condition, includes original box, docs, addendum for latest O/S upgrade, latest O/S upgrade and I'll throw in the remote Roland FS-6 pedal. Make a reasonable offer, if interested. My handle on eBay is Mintgearowner for feedback checking purposes. Regards, Paul --------------------------------- Got a little couch potato? Check out fun summer activities for kids. --0-485231257-1181321162=:57987 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Hi:

If anyone has an interest, I'm going to sell my RC-50 on eBay. Thought I'd place the info here. It's in absolute mint condition, includes original box, docs, addendum for latest O/S upgrade, latest O/S upgrade and I'll throw in the remote Roland FS-6 pedal. Make a reasonable offer, if interested. My handle on eBay is Mintgearowner for feedback checking purposes.

Regards, Paul

Got a little couch potato?
Check out fun summer activities for kids. --0-485231257-1181321162=:57987-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 8 17:43:53 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A8C813BF07; Fri, 8 Jun 2007 17:43:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <011701c7a9f4$91abfab0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "RICK WALKER" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: BASS LOOPING INTERVIEW from 2001 Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2007 10:43:48 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/related; type="text/plain"; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0114_01C7A9B9.E50F2F50" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Spam-Flag: YES X-Spam-Status: Yes, score=1.3 required=1.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,AWL, EXTRA_MPART_TYPE,TVD_FW_GRAPHIC_NAME_LONG,TVD_RCVD_SINGLE autolearn=disabled version=3.2.0 X-Spam-Report: * -1.4 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP * 1.0 EXTRA_MPART_TYPE Header has extraneous Content-type:...type= entry * 0.3 TVD_RCVD_SINGLE TVD_RCVD_SINGLE * 2.4 TVD_FW_GRAPHIC_NAME_LONG BODY: TVD_FW_GRAPHIC_NAME_LONG * -1.0 AWL AWL: From: address is in the auto white-list X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.0 (2007-05-01) on mail.cruzio.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70961 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2007 17:43:53 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0114_01C7A9B9.E50F2F50 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I was doing some live looping research for a writer doing an article for a drum magazine and stumbled upon this 2001 roundtable interview with Michael Manring, Steve Lawson and myself that I had completely forgotten had existed. This really brought back fond memories and made me reflect on how far we've come in the past 6 years in the live looping scene. Rick Walker http://www.globalbass.com/archives/oct2001/the_loop.htm In The Loop A Roundtable discussion with Michael Manring, Steve Lawson, and Rick Walker by Daniel Elliott Most of the time it's business as usual for the professional music community, but every once in a while something really interesting happens. And fortunately for me, I was lucky enough to be there when it did. Last July, solo bassists, Michael Manring and Steve Lawson, along with percussionist, Rick Walker got together for a five date Northern California tour affectionately billed as The Worlds First Bass Looping Tour. This was a follow-up to the highly successful Worlds First Bass Looping Festival that took place in Santa Cruz, California last January. About a week before the tour kicked off, I got together with Michael, Steve and Rick via online chat to talk about their inspiration for this wild and wonderful idea. Daniel: I'll start out with some questions. Feel free to interject at your whim. Steve: Great Daniel. Go for it! Daniel: Can you give me a little background on looping, specifically Bass Looping? Michael: I'll take a crack at this. I'd say that looping probably goes back to the first experiments with electronic "Musique Concrete", but probably the most listened to more modern beginning was with Robert Fripp and Brian Eno. Steve: Was that when you first became aware of it Michael? Michael: Yes. I had read about tape experiments about the time I got some of those early records where those guys would actually make a long loop of tape and run it through a reel-to-reel machine. Of course, there was the original Echoplex - as far as I know the first device designed for tape loop stuff. And I suppose you could consider the Mellotron a looping device. Steve: The Mellotron was definitely a loop device! We all owe a great debt to Rick Wakeman. laughs Michael: I don't think it was too easy to make your own Mellotron loops, though. Daniel: How does tape looping and digital looping differ other than the medium? Rick: There is so much more flexibility with the advent of modern, real-time digital loopers. Steve: I think that physicality played a big part in how people related to tape looping; you could see it going round. You could keep the tapes if you covered the record head. Rick: I used to do this in the early eighties, in shows with people like Henry Kaiser. We would disengage the erase heads on the old tube Echoplexes. It gave us 3 minutes of loop time. We would do a long piece then walk off stage and let it be intermission music. Steve: Yeah! I've read about doing that, Rick - I was far too young to have anything to do with it though. laughs Rick: Such a baby. Michael: There were tube Echoplexes? Rick: Yeah. They're modeled, along with the transistor ones, in the Line 6 DL-4. I love how those machines degraded the signal; great for live dubbing. Steve: Digital information is far more nebulous, getting back to the original question. I wouldn't say it's more malleable, but it certainly has made a few things possible that weren't before, like better signal quality. Rick: Certainly, and significantly, the ability to sync which we will use a lot in this tour. Steve: Definitely! The syncing and the ability to do all the things that you could do with tape but at the touch of a button makes it much more available to people like me who would never have got out a splicing block and chopped up bits of tape. Now, the skill set required to be involved in looping is much smaller - you don't need to be proficient at tape editing and tape-head modifying. Michael: The skill you need now is pushing little buttons at exactly the right time! Steve: Exactly, Michael! And I can cope with that. I can push buttons in time (most of the time), so looping is now available to a putz like me. Michael: Well, of course, it's not just pushing buttons, but how you push them! laughs Rick: Actually, Steve has inspired me to work with loops that aren't perfectly timed. Daniel: What do you mean? Steve: Shall I explain that? Rick: Yes, explain. Steve: Basically, when I began looping, I would panic if the loop wasn't spot on, but I soon began to realize that after a period of time playing over a particular loop, the glitches became part of the groove, and I would play to them, and overdub in time with the original loop. I started to view the contour of a loop as a landscape with peaks and troughs, which I then work on learning, so that I can work with it rather than against it Rick: The Balinese have a concept, 'Jam Karet', or 'time is rubber'. Michael: It's a fun game to record random loops of noise and then try to find the groove within them. Tim Alexander loves to do the random loop thing. We did some of it on the first Attention Deficit record. Steve: That's a great record, Michael! Michael: Thanks! Rick: You would think that this technology would be limiting, but it has been incredibly liberating to me for these reasons. Steve: Absolutely. You start to relate to music on a far more evolutionary level, rather than a verse/chorus back and forth level. Daniel: So when did the idea of Bass looping come along? Michael: Hard to say when bass looping started, but Jaco Pastorius's live solo, 'Slang' got a lot of bassists interested. Steve: Slang was certainly one of the first, but before Jaco, Eberhard Weber and David Friesen were both experimenting with looping on upright basses. Daniel: Rick, being a percussionist and the mastermind behind this little shindig, why did you choose to bill it as a 'bass looping' fest as opposed to a 'looping', fest? Rick: We started the Worlds First Bass Looping Festival because Steve wanted a gig in Santa Cruz and I'm a marketing genius. laughs Steve: .And a humility expert. laughs Rick: Specifically, because I fell in love with putting on festivals with great limitations as a way of inspiring new music and creativity. I' m proud to say that I have introduced 28 artists in the last two years who had never played out of their bedrooms Ironically, when I produced the World's First Bass Looping Festival, I performed as a bassist, but on this tour I may be the only one to not play bass at all. Michael: We're living in interesting times now with all the possibilities that technology offers, all the world's cultures on each other's doorsteps, old conventions breaking down. I think bassists like looping because we are very aware of the concept of accompaniment. Oddly, I think bass lends itself well to layering, too. Steve: Preach it Manthing! I guess it's the range and the combination of all the elements of music - rhythm, harmony and melody - that makes bass so good for this rather rarified form of megalomania. There is definitely a bassist mentality that lends itself to the kind of subservience to the music that is required in looping. And the bass is designed to play with other instruments, which means that space is inherent in the sound. Daniel: In that Santa Cruz Show last January, Rick and Steve did some pretty interesting things with the bass and a pair of drumsticks. Michael: Let's keep it clean, now! laughs Rick: Yeah, I malleted Steve's bass as he controlled the harmony. Neither one of us knew where it was going Steve: You mulleted my bass? Oh Malleted. My mistake. Rick: Mad cow kicking in.laughs This game produces great results with every bassist that I've tried it with. Steve: on the subject of games, I think that it's a really important part of experimentation to 'play' in the child-like sense of the word. Too much 'new music' disappears up it's own ass 'because the people doing it have forgotten that the basic model for childhood discovery and experimentation is 'play'. And that's what Rick's mullet game does; it introduces a fun element that may or may not have hugely significant musical results. As it was, the piece was pretty cool. One journo said it was the highlight of the show! Michael: Yeah, I guess we all have the desire to feel that what we're doing has more significance than just goofing around! But, goofing around is important! Steve: And the lesson is to learn that goofing around is sometimes more vital and progressive than reading a textbook. As Michael Franti said 'I am deadly serious about us having fun'. Rick: I love that quote. Steve: Franti is THE MAN! He's possibly the most important musical influence on my life at the moment. Rick: How did you get involved with looping, Michael? Michael: I've always goofed with little echo machines, but getting my first JamMan was a revelation. Rick: Me, too, I felt like my life changed that day. Daniel: How about you, Steve? Steve: I'd read about Michael using one, and was fascinated by the idea, and then when I started to write for Music Magazines, I requested one for review - the perks of the job. Daniel: You mentioned earlier that in this show, the three of you are planning to sync your loops together? After building multiple layers with both basses and adding layers of looped percussion, won't it sound very cluttered? Rick: Not if we're good musicians. Michael: People used to think that you could never have two basses playing simultaneously, but I think the available texture of the instrument is so vast that it lends itself well to playing many parts in music. Clutter can be a useful texture at the right time. Rick: I have muting switches on the board and plan on doing a lot of real time mixing so we have that dubbing potential of muting and un-muting tracks live. This helps with clutter. Michael: We're starting to bridge the gap between live and recorded. Steve: Definitely! I also find that there's something meditative about looping - the repetition of it is like prayer, or chanting, or liturgy. It's a monastic pursuit... potentially. Michael: That's a strange phenomenon! Even a loop you don't like at first will get interesting as it repeats Rick: Someone once said meditating is listening to God and praying is talking to God; looping lets' us do both simultaneously. Michael: Amen! Steve: I sometimes leave the same loops running for up to 13-14 hours, just listening to the interaction. Not great for the audience, so I restrict such practices to my little office, which is in a church and has a very inspiring stained glass window Daniel: Fourteen hours!!! never mind Mad Cow Disease. I think you have Mad Looper's Disease. laughs Rick: Mad Looper's Disease, hmmm.another marketing concept..? Michael: A corrupting influence on our youth hopefully! Looping, I mean. Steve: We live in such an immediate culture that 14 minutes is considered epic and if that's the cooking time, it's considered inedible. Michael: Maybe looping makes you listen to things more closely. Rick: Definitely! I'm astonished by how little listening seems to happen in western culture. Steve: It also, as I said, means that music evolves - the layers build up, and the origins are still there. Michael: Kind of like taking a picture so you can study a single moment in time? Steve: There is definitely the feeling of being involved in something vital, something of value, something truly creative here. This is art for the sake of art, for the sake of the journey - no definitive statement, no great plan to make cash by watering it down, no agenda other than to make it available, and that feels great! But, also quite alien in the modern entertainment climate. I went to see Abe Laboriel play last night, at the Baked Potato. For the second set there were 6 people there, four of who were on the guest list, so $20 worth of audience. He and the other guys just played their asses off. I've never seen anything like it. He was jumping up and down and beating up on his bass like Bill Laswel and loving it - grinning and just being thankful for the gift of music. That was the same thing; not counting the audience, but counting the blessings of being able to play music with like minded people. Michael: Abe is great, such good energy. Daniel: Michael, a recent article about you stated that, "Few bassist have put more energy into stretching the instrument's boundaries" than you have. Where does your creative energy come from? Michael: Thanks! I'm not really sure where creativity comes from. In my case I think it's probably mostly adolescent curiosity. It's that goofing around thing again. There seems like there is so much that needs to be tried. I feel we've barely scratched the surface of life's possibilities. Bass is just a good symbol for that concept. Rick: Every drawn breath is a blessing; every time we get to be creative and share that with others is a blessing Steve: What we're trying to do is something beautiful, something honest, something fun, something of substance. Bass is a great symbol of newness. It's such a young instrument, and as a result is diversifying so fast, from the number of strings, to tuning, to new pickup technology like the Lightwave pickup, to modeling, e-bow, extended techniques, processing, hipshots, all that stuff. Rick: Guys. I hate to break in, but I have to go. Thanks so much Daniel. Daniel: See you soon Rick, and thanks. Rick Leaves Daniel: The Hyperbass was a pretty creative way to expand the instrument. Steve: I agree. The Hyperbass is so far the pinnacle of that expression of newness, an astonishing vision of where electric instruments can go - all credit to you and Joe Zon for doing it. Michael: Thanks Steve. I don't know if I can accept such a compliment! There is so much more to do with the bass that I find it a little overwhelming. Thank goodness there are folks out there like yourself who are really taking the instrument to interesting places. I'm just goofing around with my one tiny corner of what's possible Steve: For me, watching you and seeing the paths you've taken through music has been so inspiring, from the duo stuff with Michael Hedges through the solo material, Cloud Chamber, SadHappy, Yo! Miles, Attention Deficit, Patti Larkin, John Gorka. Your enthusiasm for music in all its facets is something that has served as a parallel path that makes it all a bit less lonely. Michael: Well, Steve I feel incredibly lucky that our inspiration goes both ways! Daniel: Michael, what started you down the road of alternate tuning? Was it an accident - boredom with a certain key signature? Michael: Alternate tuning was a possibility so I was curious about it. It just happened to yield a lot of sounds I like. Daniel: Steve, do you also experiment with alternate tuning? Steve: Only drop D and C really, but I've just got a cello, to explore fifths tuning a little more. I use alternate tunings to bust out of my comfort zone, to force me to play new things if I feel like fourths is getting stale. Daniel: Do you get to do much looping with your other projects? Ragatal, Howard Jones etc. Steve: Ragatal was pivotal for me, as we wanted to be able to do solos and duos within the band set up, so it gave me something to aim for with regard to performing solo. My first solo live things were with Ragatal. No looping with Howard though, sadly. Michael: How did you like working with the Indian rhythmic concepts Steve? Steve: The main lesson I learnt was that the fundamental music unit was silence - zero or nothingness seems to be central to a lot of Hindu thinking and music starts from there, so the whole idea of music growing from nothing was revelatory. Also, the degree of intricacy in the subdivision, but the elasticity of the timing was beautiful. I recently did a Ragatal gig with two extra percussionists and a sitar player, as well as tabla, guitar, electric violin and me. That was mind-blowing to be soloing with that going on behind me. The Ragatals give the music that same meditative quality that loops have - that sense of instant familiarity. Michael: very cool! Wish I could've heard that. I'm sorry to say I've got to scoot now, too. Thanks for the intriguing conversation, guys! Daniel: Thanks Michael. I'm looking forward to meeting you in person. Michael: Thanks! See you soon! Michael leaves. Daniel: Let me ask you one last question Steve. What do you recommend for other artists interested in venturing into the Looping concept? Steve: Just do it! Get a simple loop box like the DL4 and get started. Experiment - nothing is off limits. It's only sound after all and you aren't going to do any harm with it! I'd suggest getting a few CDs as well. Probably mine would be cool. laughs Also, the David Friesen live CD. Daniel: Thanks Steve. I'm just so excited about seeing the three of you together. Steve: We're excited about playing. I'm looking forward to seeing you next week. Daniel: See you then. Steve: God Bless! Daniel Elliott has been playing bass and writing songs for about 20 years. He's also been highly active in supporting and promoting music in the Northern California region. He is currently recording an album with the band, The Threshing Floor, which should be available in November and will begin working on a solo album very soon. Other recent endeavors include establishing the publishing company, Much Grace Music and working on a book tentatively titled, The Art of Worship. Daniel can be reached at dan@threshingfloor.com http://www.muchgrace.com http://www.threshingfloor.com ------=_NextPart_000_0114_01C7A9B9.E50F2F50 Content-Type: image/gif; name="apasrule.gif" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Location: http://www.globalbass.com/archives/oct2001/_themes/gboct2001/apasrule.gif R0lGODlhWAIKAJH/AMDAwJwAAAAAAAAAACH5BAEAAAAALAAAAABYAgoAAAKtlI+py+0Po5y02ouz 3hR4wHwgR5bmiabqyrbuC8fyLIvhR+f6zveqCAwKh8Si8YhMKpfMpvMJjUqnnhv1is1qt9yu9wsO i8fksllrPavX7Lb7GojL5/S6/Y7P6/f8vv8PGCg4SFho+GezIHLI2Oj4CBkpOUlZaXmJmam5uZmo sMgZKjpKWhr5hpqqusra6voKGys7S1tre4ubq7vL2+v7CxwsPExcbHyMnKx8VgAAOw== ------=_NextPart_000_0114_01C7A9B9.E50F2F50-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 8 18:51:56 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7CB203BF08; Fri, 8 Jun 2007 18:51:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=4TWxkrhwrgDoI8/0Qrg1oj6trbTSmpI8Rb/E0kOFxDhnWp8Qh4+dhHmVFbfXl+Zoqt3bV7k730dHHIxvfw5cdX3Hu6DaIsS/ezfkJnMSXXn1VrBkJtAdAf6Q828jZ+jzkPI28jFAxxWq7KZdwbdC7kstt7JsTYW3Ef/qnr57zBQ= ; Message-ID: <20070608185154.46573.qmail@web34303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: tC7VTM8VM1kBGeOXycy6KtIe4qDfO8zVDeZXe8yjZUpaa..rv..oKPMj3Vr_vU03QqthWJS.ukqmCgy_KMmGvxyx75MXtyNGaKUAcOpjx8zcwGXNnnKdswT26qerwQ-- Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2007 11:51:54 -0700 (PDT) From: ditch wrestler Subject: Re: OT: cassette -> mp3 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-82383237-1181328714=:45465" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70962 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2007 18:51:56 +0000 (UTC) --0-82383237-1181328714=:45465 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Thanks to everybody that pitched in with suggestions. The MS tape-recorder sounds interesting but I don't think it'll work with my 'evaluation copy' of xp... I downloaded audacity last night and will take a stab at it this weekend. ted. "Indeed, naturally I think that a film should have a beginning, middle, and an end — but not necessarily in that order." Jean Luc Goddard --------------------------------- Yahoo! oneSearch: Finally, mobile search that gives answers, not web links. --0-82383237-1181328714=:45465 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Thanks to everybody that pitched in with suggestions.

The MS tape-recorder sounds interesting but I don't think it'll work with my 'evaluation copy' of xp...

I downloaded audacity last night and will take a stab at it this weekend.

ted.

"Indeed, naturally I think that a film should have a beginning, middle, and an end — but not necessarily in that order." Jean Luc Goddard

Yahoo! oneSearch: Finally, mobile search that gives answers, not web links. --0-82383237-1181328714=:45465-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 8 19:32:13 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AE0923BF0A; Fri, 8 Jun 2007 19:32:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <5u1lfe$clnfp8@smtp01.lnh.mail.rcn.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ron Baylin Subject: RE: BASS LOOPING Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2007 15:32:00 -0400 Importance: normal X-Priority: 3 To: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Junkmail-Whitelist: YES (by domain whitelist at mr08.lnh.mail.rcn.net) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70963 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2007 19:32:13 +0000 (UTC) I recently had the pleasure of catching Victor Wooten playing with Dennis C= hambers and Mike Stern. Victor played some really looping solo passages. = The previous year I saw the same show but Vin Bona was playing bass. He use= d a Jamman and a GR33 to build a wonderful looped song, along with vocals. = It was really impressive and creative. Both shows were a memorable experi= ence. ron -----Original Message----- From: "RICK WALKER" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Sent: 6/8/07 1:43 PM Subject: BASS LOOPING INTERVIEW from 2001 I was doing some live looping research for a writer doing an article for a= =20 drum magazine and stumbled upon this 2001 roundtable interview with Michael Manring, Steve=20 Lawson and myself that I had completely forgotten had existed. This really brought back fond memories and made me reflect on how far we've= =20 come in the past 6 years in the live looping scene. Rick Walker http://www.globalbass.com/archives/oct2001/the_loop.htm In The Loop A Roundtable discussion with Michael Manring, Steve Lawson, and Rick Walke= r by Daniel Elliott Most of the time it's business as usual for the professional music=20 community, but every once in a while something really interesting happens.= =20 And fortunately for me, I was lucky enough to be there when it did. Last=20 July, solo bassists, Michael Manring and Steve Lawson, along with=20 percussionist, Rick Walker got together for a five date Northern California= =20 tour affectionately billed as The Worlds First Bass Looping Tour. This was= =20 a follow-up to the highly successful Worlds First Bass Looping Festival tha= t=20 took place in Santa Cruz, California last January. About a week before the= =20 tour kicked off, I got together with Michael, Steve and Rick via online cha= t=20 to talk about their inspiration for this wild and wonderful idea. Daniel: I'll start out with some questions. Feel free to interject at your= =20 whim. Steve: Great Daniel. Go for it! Daniel: Can you give me a little background on looping, specifically Bass=20 Looping? Michael: I'll take a crack at this. I'd say that looping probably goes bac= k=20 to the first experiments with electronic "Musique Concrete", but probably=20 the most listened to more modern beginning was with Robert Fripp and Brian= =20 Eno. Steve: Was that when you first became aware of it Michael? Michael: Yes. I had read about tape experiments about the time I got some= =20 of those early records where those guys would actually make a long loop of= =20 tape and run it through a reel-to-reel machine. Of course, there was the=20 original Echoplex - as far as I know the first device designed for tape loo= p=20 stuff. And I suppose you could consider the Mellotron a looping device. Steve: The Mellotron was definitely a loop device! We all owe a great debt= =20 to Rick Wakeman. laughs Michael: I don't think it was too easy to make your own Mellotron loops,=20 though. Daniel: How does tape looping and digital looping differ other than the=20 medium? Rick: There is so much more flexibility with the advent of modern, real-tim= e=20 digital loopers. Steve: I think that physicality played a big part in how people related to= =20 tape looping; you could see it going round. You could keep the tapes if yo= u=20 covered the record head. Rick: I used to do this in the early eighties, in shows with people like=20 Henry Kaiser. We would disengage the erase heads on the old tube=20 Echoplexes. It gave us 3 minutes of loop time. We would do a long piece=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 8 22:12:51 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8A8B63BF16; Fri, 8 Jun 2007 22:12:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <20070608181246.pk1enk0mww0wgs8c@www.wightman.ca> Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2007 18:12:46 -0400 From: phaslem@wightman.ca To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: OT SpinAudio Virtual Mixing Console References: <011701c7a9f4$91abfab0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> In-Reply-To: <011701c7a9f4$91abfab0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.3) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70964 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2007 22:12:51 +0000 (UTC) Hi, Has anyone here used this Software? 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ONE-MAN BLUES BAND HOW TO?? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <8C9784C24A322BC-E00-FC72@webmail-mf10.sysops.aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <856008.12524.qm@web33608.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70966 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2007 04:08:26 +0000 (UTC) Man invest in a no nonsense boomerang! I love it and use it in many different ways and live at that as well! Have fun, Visualize whirled peas :o) --- mjmeadors@aol.com wrote: > > > I am a blues musician who wants to use a looper to lay down, for example, first, a bass guitar > 12 bar blues, then layer that with a guitar, a lead, then harp, then ... etc.. in a live > situation.  All live. None prerecorded. > > I bought an Akai Headrush but the looping time never gives me enough time to lay down the 12 bar > blues. I'm new to looping, but I sense that the concept of looping is something that would work > with the kind of thing I want to do, if there is a looper which will permit a loop for a minute > or more to get through the 12 bar blues.  Which of the present loopers would be best to use for > my purposes? Any info or advice greatly appreciated! > Thanks! Mike > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com. > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Looking for a deal? Find great prices on flights and hotels with Yahoo! FareChase. http://farechase.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 9 04:21:49 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1108C3BF14; Sat, 9 Jun 2007 04:21:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: <856008.12524.qm@web33608.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <856008.12524.qm@web33608.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <934FCE81-6C3E-49A3-A58F-DDA2E01BA296@infinivert.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Josh Carroll Subject: Re: HELP! ONE-MAN BLUES BAND HOW TO?? Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2007 23:21:46 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - chara.lunarpages.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - infinivert.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70967 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2007 04:21:49 +0000 (UTC) Or I think the RC-50 might be a good match for you. --Josh On Jun 8, 2007, at 11:08 PM, Dan wrote: > Man invest in a no nonsense boomerang! I love it and use it in > many different ways and live at > that as well! Have fun, Visualize whirled peas :o) > --- mjmeadors@aol.com wrote: > >> >> >> I am a blues musician who wants to use a looper to lay down, for >> example, first, a bass guitar >> 12 bar blues, then layer that with a guitar, a lead, then harp, >> then ... etc.. in a live >> situation. All live. None prerecorded. >> >> I bought an Akai Headrush but the looping time never gives me >> enough time to lay down the 12 bar >> blues. I'm new to looping, but I sense that the concept of >> looping is something that would work >> with the kind of thing I want to do, if there is a looper which >> will permit a loop for a minute >> or more to get through the 12 bar blues. Which of the present >> loopers would be best to use for >> my purposes? Any info or advice greatly appreciated! >> Thanks! Mike >> >> >> >> >> >> _____________________________________________________________________ >> ___ >> AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's >> free from AOL at AOL.com. >> > > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > ______________ > Looking for a deal? Find great prices on flights and hotels with > Yahoo! FareChase. > http://farechase.yahoo.com/ > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 9 09:04:35 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F04603BF11; Sat, 9 Jun 2007 09:04:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=GiWLzzsdaCWQkW4bJ+zbvLROcAw1saCEZsVi7SuU4vJdp996KqVfNrIrtf4cn9Dx/ZbK/on8dVWJqMdUPW4APuhr90t/UxGTzyk71M5Wwi5zvwIMK6jy/VuQ0aXtjoSi4TvJJhaO3aXP7pqn6R/XfuEBOHnBf24sqqZmoabBEyM=; X-YMail-OSG: Potznw4VM1kh_DbRwEmHI8J72xOCiQrCe3Lgyv3E4CeMgjjtQU2X3gNevh.UyTfuDq_tu7D9zuqeWPJRD0_IfMt5vNQP7AvmfUwt7aqTRmQ2o5Rc5Hk- Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2007 02:04:32 -0700 (PDT) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: Re: OT: thoughts on music and cooking To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <77BB8BFE-F3A5-4F4C-B02D-D8C0EA26A134@ubergadget.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <222530.69595.qm@web38603.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: <02R8C.A.BxF.i0maGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70968 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2007 09:04:34 +0000 (UTC) Milk perhaps? > > > I like to drink beer while cooking, and drink wine > while eating. > > I'm still not quite sure what to drink while > making beer... > > > > Tony > > > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better Heartthrob. Get better relationship answers from someone who knows. Yahoo! Answers - Check it out. http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=list&sid=396545433 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 9 09:15:57 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 57B6D3BF11; Sat, 9 Jun 2007 09:15:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=gGSz9SWUUt6u2wCS29vPe3J3nffmJ2qF1wRNZrADzmFQiR0E1oz7XY9ZWvyWEEpSQ7g/8DUAyUA6btPI70zB4546yQGIo78YTnUuHHD5Nn4du2kv1XzWBq4vdhhUMq9yVGlGu5tb/RLYORSoZiyiX9i194AWDwZHSveZBjidIjc=; X-YMail-OSG: pnBPtmoVM1nqzoGJxi6.rWvV3E_yCH9RrJ3cHTMu9zeXl.9ERjg7wJ1HkgdKJSYuzT2gjjC1vrZk81bIekwxuTv84qV6XE1zHXsc9ZpC89Ka18VMyAZ_13Jfs8IUEw-- Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2007 02:15:55 -0700 (PDT) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: Re: OT: thoughts on music and cooking To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <648439.66898.qm@web38601.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70969 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2007 09:15:57 +0000 (UTC) ok here is one for you: Fry a handful of big dry california red chiles and a couple of garlic cloves in olive oil,then boil them in hot water,then throw them in a blender with a bit of lemon juice,add salt and blend till it turns into a thick sauce,put it in a bowl and add some fresh cilantro,get yourself a bag of natural mais tortilla chips a cold beer eat drink and go turn your echoplex on! Guten appetit Luis --- Sheila Olson wrote: > Josh > > Care to share your salsa recipe? > > > Off list if you prefer. > > Take care, > > joe > > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a PS3 game guru. Get your game face on with the latest PS3 news and previews at Yahoo! Games. http://videogames.yahoo.com/platform?platform=120121 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 9 10:11:33 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8901E3BF17; Sat, 9 Jun 2007 10:11:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <466A7CCD.3040902@gishpuppy.com> Date: Sat, 09 Jun 2007 11:11:25 +0100 From: Spudboy Reply-To: yahoo.4bt@gishpuppy.com User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.12 (Windows/20070509) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: ot - spam References: <648439.66898.qm@web38601.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <648439.66898.qm@web38601.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70970 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2007 10:11:33 +0000 (UTC) Just a thought - I started receiving spam direct to the address I subscribed with after joining this list - I would recommend to everyone alias services like gishpuppy.com to avoid the problem.

Cheers.

L.A. Angulo wrote:

ok here is one for you: Fry a handful of big dry california red chiles and a couple of garlic cloves in olive oil,then boil them in hot water,then throw them in a blender with a bit of lemon juice,add salt and blend till it turns into a thick sauce,put it in a bowl and add some fresh cilantro,get yourself a bag of natural mais tortilla chips a cold beer eat drink and go turn your echoplex on! Guten appetit Luis --- Sheila Olson <onelonecrow@earthlink.net> wrote:

Josh Care to share your salsa recipe? Off list if you prefer. Take care, joe

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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 9 12:26:38 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 78E703BF0B; Sat, 9 Jun 2007 12:26:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: cburke55@comcast.net (Christophe) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: HELP! ONE-MAN BLUES BAND HOW TO?? Date: Sat, 09 Jun 2007 12:26:35 +0000 Message-Id: <060920071226.28667.466A9C7B0003556E00006FFB2200735834CACA0A059D9A0D0C@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Oct 4 2006) X-Authenticated-Sender: Y2J1cmtlNTVAY29tY2FzdC5uZXQ= Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70971 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2007 12:26:38 +0000 (UTC) Even the RC-20 XL should do the job for you. Chris -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: Josh Carroll > Or I think the RC-50 might be a good match for you. > > --Josh > > > > On Jun 8, 2007, at 11:08 PM, Dan wrote: > > > Man invest in a no nonsense boomerang! I love it and use it in > > many different ways and live at > > that as well! Have fun, Visualize whirled peas :o) > > --- mjmeadors@aol.com wrote: > > > >> > >> > >> I am a blues musician who wants to use a looper to lay down, for > >> example, first, a bass guitar > >> 12 bar blues, then layer that with a guitar, a lead, then harp, > >> then ... etc.. in a live > >> situation. All live. None prerecorded. > >> > >> I bought an Akai Headrush but the looping time never gives me > >> enough time to lay down the 12 bar > >> blues. I'm new to looping, but I sense that the concept of > >> looping is something that would work > >> with the kind of thing I want to do, if there is a looper which > >> will permit a loop for a minute > >> or more to get through the 12 bar blues. Which of the present > >> loopers would be best to use for > >> my purposes? Any info or advice greatly appreciated! > >> Thanks! Mike > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> _____________________________________________________________________ > >> ___ > >> AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's > >> free from AOL at AOL.com. > >> > > > > > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > > ______________ > > Looking for a deal? Find great prices on flights and hotels with > > Yahoo! FareChase. > > http://farechase.yahoo.com/ > > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 9 13:18:09 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 12A803BF12; Sat, 9 Jun 2007 13:18:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-UNTD-OriginStamp: o/bIkQeVaBme+Zo4dBx9J3z9cjG/B/JJw9JQnQXMJAShtuB/TCguwCsfQkUE4hAW X-Originating-IP: [67.150.79.197] Mime-Version: 1.0 From: "stillllscary@netzero.net" Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2007 13:16:29 GMT To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: HELP! ONE-MAN BLUES BAND HOW TO?? X-Mailer: Webmail Version 4.0 Message-Id: <20070609.061629.26719.0@webmail27.lax.untd.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative;boundary="--__JWM__J3b58.0012S.7753M" X-ContentStamp: 1:1:3131636868 X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 10.131.27.167|webmail27.lax.untd.com|webmail27.lax.untd.com|stillllscary@netzero.net Resent-Message-ID: <5FoYg.A.wbD.PiqaGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70972 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2007 13:18:09 +0000 (UTC) ----__JWM__J3b58.0012S.7753M Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain what ju need is a big ole pile o reel to reels,a fishing pole,two slight= ly mal-adjusted holly carberators,and a 8`~track copy of saucerfull of s= ecrets...mix well and serve with blue corn chips,but use caution while i= n the infared gravity~field... sleep well, scary visionary. ----__JWM__J3b58.0012S.7753M Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/html
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sleep well, scary visionary.
----__JWM__J3b58.0012S.7753M-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 9 14:06:12 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8536C3BF0A; Sat, 9 Jun 2007 14:06:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com References: <20070609.061629.26719.0@webmail27.lax.untd.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: HELP! ONE-MAN BLUES BAND HOW TO?? Date: Sat, 09 Jun 2007 10:06:06 -0400 In-Reply-To: <20070609.061629.26719.0@webmail27.lax.untd.com> X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 From: mjmeadors@aol.com X-MB-Message-Type: User Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--------MB_8C978B674EE584E_1294_205C1_MBLK-M22.sysops.aol.com" X-Mailer: AOL WebMail 27618 Message-Id: <8C978B674EE584E-1294-11248@MBLK-M22.sysops.aol.com> X-AOL-IP: 64.12.136.66 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70973 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2007 14:06:12 +0000 (UTC) ----------MB_8C978B674EE584E_1294_205C1_MBLK-M22.sysops.aol.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" I got all dat whats I need is a looper dat will play the first layer long nuff to play thr= u a hole verse just woke up, i'll sleep when i'm dead -----Original Message----- From: stillllscary@netzero.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Sent: Sat, 9 Jun 2007 9:16 am Subject: Re: HELP! ONE-MAN BLUES BAND HOW TO?? what ju need is a big ole pile o reel to reels,a fishing pole,two slightly m= al-adjusted holly carberators,and a 8`~track copy of saucerfull of secrets..= .mix well and serve with blue corn chips,but use caution while in the infare= d gravity~field... sleep well,=C2=A0 scary visionary. ________________________________________________________________________ AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from= AOL at AOL.com. ----------MB_8C978B674EE584E_1294_205C1_MBLK-M22.sysops.aol.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8"
I got all dat

whats I need is a looper dat will play the first layer long nuff to pla= y thru a hole verse

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just woke up, i'll sleep when i'm dead

-----Original Message-----
From: stillllscary@netzero.net
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Sent: Sat, 9 Jun 2007 9:16 am
Subject: Re: HELP! ONE-MAN BLUES BAND HOW TO??

what ju need is a big ole pile o reel to reels,a fishing pole,two sligh= tly mal-adjusted holly carberators,and a 8`~track copy of saucerfull of secr= ets...mix well and serve with blue corn chips,but use caution while in the i= nfared gravity~field...

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----------MB_8C978B674EE584E_1294_205C1_MBLK-M22.sysops.aol.com-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 9 14:45:07 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9FC953BF0B; Sat, 9 Jun 2007 14:45:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: ron Subject: Re: HELP! ONE-MAN BLUES BAND HOW TO?? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Mirapoint Webmail Direct 3.7.5a-GA MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-----8ee6958aa99a05b552b824992d7ca040" Message-Id: <20070609104505.DNJ25576@ms02.lnh.mail.rcn.net> Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2007 10:45:05 -0400 (EDT) X-Junkmail-Whitelist: YES (by domain whitelist at mr08.lnh.mail.rcn.net) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70974 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2007 14:45:07 +0000 (UTC) -------8ee6958aa99a05b552b824992d7ca040 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Roland RC50XL - it love you long time. 3 times (3 banks). Or go Mobius on a laptop. R ---- Original message ---- Date: Sat, 09 Jun 2007 10:06:06 -0400 From: mjmeadors@aol.com Subject: Re: HELP! ONE-MAN BLUES BAND HOW TO?? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com I got all dat whats I need is a looper dat will play the first layer long nuff to play thru a hole verse just woke up, i'll sleep when i'm dead -----Original Message----- From: stillllscary@netzero.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Sent: Sat, 9 Jun 2007 9:16 am Subject: Re: HELP! ONE-MAN BLUES BAND HOW TO?? what ju need is a big ole pile o reel to reels,a fishing pole,two slightly mal-adjusted holly carberators,and a 8`~track copy of saucerfull of secrets...mix well and serve with blue corn chips,but use caution while in the infared gravity~field... sleep well, scary visionary. ------------------------------------------------ AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com. -------8ee6958aa99a05b552b824992d7ca040 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Roland RC50XL - it love you long time. 3 times (3 banks). Or go Mobius on a laptop.

R

---- Original message ----

Date: Sat, 09 Jun 2007 10:06:06 -0400
From: mjmeadors@aol.com
Subject: Re: HELP! ONE-MAN BLUES BAND HOW TO??
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com

I got all dat

whats I need is a looper dat will play the first layer long nuff to play thru a hole verse

just woke up, i'll sleep when i'm dead

-----Original Message-----

From: stillllscary@netzero.net

To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com

Sent: Sat, 9 Jun 2007 9:16 am

Subject: Re: HELP! ONE-MAN BLUES BAND HOW TO??

what ju need is a big ole pile o reel to reels,a fishing pole,two slightly mal-adjusted holly carberators,and a 8`~track copy of saucerfull of secrets...mix well and serve with blue corn chips,but use caution while in the infared gravity~field...

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-------8ee6958aa99a05b552b824992d7ca040-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 9 15:21:48 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 136C63BED5; Sat, 9 Jun 2007 15:21:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <075e01c7aaa9$e37b1dc0$6401a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <05ef01c7a986$efdb58b0$6401a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> Subject: Re: Creative Loop Music Unfit for Children Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2007 09:21:43 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/related; type="multipart/alternative"; boundary="=_MAILPROV.cableone.net-15651-1181402506-0001-2" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70975 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2007 15:21:48 +0000 (UTC) This is a MIME-formatted message. If you see this text it means that your E-mail software does not support MIME-formatted messages. --=_MAILPROV.cableone.net-15651-1181402506-0001-2 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=_MAILPROV.cableone.net-15651-1181402506-0001-3" This is a MIME-formatted message. If you see this text it means that your E-mail software does not support MIME-formatted messages. --=_MAILPROV.cableone.net-15651-1181402506-0001-3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Has anyone experienced problems with downloading this mp3 file? Kris ----- Original Message -----=20 Here's a peak of my new CD project, "Music Unfit for Children". Rick = Walker has inspired me to try something with non-traditional = instruments/gadgets, and this will also be my first CD with my new = max/msp system (all max/msp patches and looper, and only one VST, = Reaktor), thanks to Jeff Kaiser. The project will be done with nothing but children's toys (my own = kids') and manipuation with my laptop, max/msp + reaktor. It's really = fun! I hope that it makes adults laugh/giggle and children cry....except = for my own, of course. I'll teach them to love it or else. :) =20 Here is the first tune: "Bright Lights" (there is a fair amount of = space in this tune, sort of ambient). http://www.box.net/shared/static/2ssogz1src.mp3 Featured instrument: The vtech "Bright Lights" phone - = http://www.toysrus.com/sm-bright-lights-phone--pi-2373416.html This toy has some interesting sounds: frog, duck, weird atonal phrase = (unusual for a kids toy), some goofy melodies, etc.=20 Kris = *************************************************************************= * Krispen Hartung www.krispenhartung.com / www.myspace.com/krispenhartung info@krispenhartung.com / 1.208.724.5603=20 Discography - http://www.krispenhartung.com/catalogue.htm CD Baby Discography: http://cdbaby.com/all/khartung --=_MAILPROV.cableone.net-15651-1181402506-0001-3 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Has anyone experienced problems with = downloading=20 this mp3 file?

Kris

----- Original Message -----

Here's a peak of my new CD project, = "Music Unfit=20 for Children". Rick Walker has inspired me to try something with=20 non-traditional instruments/gadgets, and this will also be my = first CD=20 with my new max/msp system (all max/msp patches and looper, and only = one VST,=20 Reaktor), thanks to Jeff Kaiser.

The project will be done with = nothing but=20 children's toys (my own kids') and manipuation with my laptop, max/msp = +=20 reaktor. It's really fun! I hope that it makes adults = laugh/giggle and=20 children cry....except for my own, of course. I'll teach them to love = it or=20 else. :)

Here is the first tune: "Bright = Lights" (there=20 is a fair amount of space in this tune, sort of = ambient).

http://www.box.n= et/shared/static/2ssogz1src.mp3

Featured instrument: = The vtech=20 "Bright Lights" phone - h= ttp://www.toysrus.com/sm-bright-lights-phone--pi-2373416.html<= /DIV>

This toy has some interesting sounds: = frog, duck,=20 weird atonal phrase (unusual for a kids toy), some goofy melodies, = etc.=20

Kris

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info@krispenhartung.com /=20 1.208.724.5603
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CD=20 Baby Discography: http://cdbaby.com/all/khartung=20
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h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=gQRulJlO0IIPy9/QwKpZxRR0rmkbgE9+gsyDgxUqsjKJMvI8xprygmLnayJmyYlSnWxzKH/lGbCQMfNDj1vqeZwttPKtrfQRY7lmRs+TKA9ig3jEn+h3gGbjpm9ZE30ZFwB19cs/brjEOYLRwDTBi6Mn2UeWzYRKYslU/a/mlKc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=OXSzHCoZd+d0bvkyRXmTibhEJ36XaiWh0hdIxUK6do8wYZoX6e7jngixHYsk4S2Ro70Zusxvaa4jF5YtoBPHZgkImtDr72T9Vv+Zj768TQ6skHbXm24o3SfiLO++Sf+gpuwsCOPCWlGCAFCKHOfCjYk240BbsFKw59ygsKQVrC4= Message-ID: Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2007 18:13:27 +0200 From: "Raul Bonell" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Creative Loop Music Unfit for Children In-Reply-To: <075e01c7aaa9$e37b1dc0$6401a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <05ef01c7a986$efdb58b0$6401a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> <075e01c7aaa9$e37b1dc0$6401a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70976 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2007 16:13:29 +0000 (UTC) No. I've listened the entire track last night and worked fine. No download problems, no crack problems... nothing. Raul. 2007/6/9, Krispen Hartung : > > > Has anyone experienced problems with downloading this mp3 file? > > Kris > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > Here's a peak of my new CD project, "Music Unfit for Children". Rick Walker > has inspired me to try something with non-traditional instruments/gadgets, > and this will also be my first CD with my new max/msp system (all max/msp > patches and looper, and only one VST, Reaktor), thanks to Jeff Kaiser. > > The project will be done with nothing but children's toys (my own kids') and > manipuation with my laptop, max/msp + reaktor. It's really fun! I hope that > it makes adults laugh/giggle and children cry....except for my own, of > course. I'll teach them to love it or else. :) > > Here is the first tune: "Bright Lights" (there is a fair amount of space in > this tune, sort of ambient). > > http://www.box.net/shared/static/2ssogz1src.mp3 > > Featured instrument: The vtech "Bright Lights" phone - > http://www.toysrus.com/sm-bright-lights-phone--pi-2373416.html > > This toy has some interesting sounds: frog, duck, weird atonal phrase > (unusual for a kids toy), some goofy melodies, etc. > > > > Kris > > ************************************************************************** > Krispen Hartung > www.krispenhartung.com / www.myspace.com/krispenhartung > info@krispenhartung.com / 1.208.724.5603 > Discography - http://www.krispenhartung.com/catalogue.htm > CD Baby Discography: http://cdbaby.com/all/khartung -- The Playing Orchestra: http://www.telefonica.net/web2/tpo Chain Tape Collective: http://www.ct-collective.com TPO at myspace: http://www.myspace.com/theplayingorchestra From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 9 16:38:27 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 216523BF1A; Sat, 9 Jun 2007 16:38:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=obLJpiw5WlQwJ1K9mbh3Nd/xoZViZ7ISbMtf4A1AFi3W77Rt2/j50zqSsjJEuHLeA9g1vvqT0lkyEwHfkvwpRQEmnIZ+P/fEBRYYC8gArFHkAK1afnzGz3zYzCPPn0X51bz8zVVV0ijD3IOgIWOrUD17dlHX6XcdwuQ5TBMiEnE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=ZLXT7HLWqMkFOTd8AxMtOXYVnTWAIKnhWR/lWXJboai+nA1/WIGNCtk75/gOMRglKhklxlt8SBLV8UrznoqaNFmMl4kcsDB/yjnNAF0YYhAOfpDA7588Pwz87khBHQXDSKPJQ18g8iL4SzaxReklS4MJ2aR0AMffL+uv4jZ2YME= Message-ID: <4759e5740706090938u407c776v16f585d365bf665a@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2007 12:38:24 -0400 From: "todd reynolds" Reply-To: todd@toddreynolds.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Creative Loop Music Unfit for Children In-Reply-To: <075e01c7aaa9$e37b1dc0$6401a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/related; boundary="----=_Part_10927_2012744.1181407104353" References: <05ef01c7a986$efdb58b0$6401a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> <075e01c7aaa9$e37b1dc0$6401a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70977 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2007 16:38:27 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_10927_2012744.1181407104353 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_10926_25456927.1181407104353" ------=_Part_10926_25456927.1181407104353 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline me too, no issues On 6/9/07, Krispen Hartung wrote: > > Has anyone experienced problems with downloading this mp3 file? > > Kris > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > Here's a peak of my new CD project, "Music Unfit for Children". Rick > Walker has inspired me to try something with non-traditional > instruments/gadgets, and this will also be my first CD with my new max/msp > system (all max/msp patches and looper, and only one VST, Reaktor), thanks > to Jeff Kaiser. > > The project will be done with nothing but children's toys (my own kids') > and manipuation with my laptop, max/msp + reaktor. It's really fun! I hope > that it makes adults laugh/giggle and children cry....except for my own, of > course. I'll teach them to love it or else. :) > > Here is the first tune: "Bright Lights" (there is a fair amount of space > in this tune, sort of ambient). > > http://www.box.net/shared/static/2ssogz1src.mp3 > > *Featured instrument:* The vtech "Bright Lights" phone - > http://www.toysrus.com/sm-bright-lights-phone--pi-2373416.html > > This toy has some interesting sounds: frog, duck, weird atonal phrase > (unusual for a kids toy), some goofy melodies, etc. > > > Kris > > ************************************************************************** > Krispen Hartung > www.krispenhartung.com / www.myspace.com/krispenhartung > info@krispenhartung.com / 1.208.724.5603 > Discography - http://www.krispenhartung.com/catalogue.htm > CD Baby Discography: http://cdbaby.com/all/khartung > > -- http://www.toddreynolds.com |: http://myspace.com/toddreynoldsmusic |: ------------------------------------------------------|: 917.576.6166 todd@toddreynolds.com toddreyn@gmail.com ------=_Part_10926_25456927.1181407104353 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline me too, no issues

On 6/9/07, Krispen Hartung <khartung@cableone.net> wrote:

Has anyone experienced problems with downloading this mp3 file?

Kris

----- Original Message -----

Here's a peak of my new CD project, "Music Unfit for Children". Rick Walker has inspired me to try something with non-traditional instruments/gadgets, and this will also be my first CD with my new max/msp system (all max/msp patches and looper, and only one VST, Reaktor), thanks to Jeff Kaiser.

The project will be done with nothing but children's toys (my own kids') and manipuation with my laptop, max/msp + reaktor. It's really fun! I hope that it makes adults laugh/giggle and children cry....except for my own, of course. I'll teach them to love it or else. :)

Here is the first tune: "Bright Lights" (there is a fair amount of space in this tune, sort of ambient).

http://www.box.net/shared/static/2ssogz1src.mp3

Featured instrument: The vtech "Bright Lights" phone - http://www.toysrus.com/sm-bright-lights-phone--pi-2373416.html

This toy has some interesting sounds: frog, duck, weird atonal phrase (unusual for a kids toy), some goofy melodies, etc.

Kris

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Krispen Hartung
www.krispenhartung.com / www.myspace.com/krispenhartung
info@krispenhartung.com / 1.208.724.5603
Discography - http://www.krispenhartung.com/catalogue.htm
CD Baby Discography: http://cdbaby.com/all/khartung

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ONE-MAN BLUES BAND HOW TO?? Date: Sat, 09 Jun 2007 13:07:26 -0400 In-Reply-To: <20070609104505.DNJ25576@ms02.lnh.mail.rcn.net> X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 From: mjmeadors@aol.com X-MB-Message-Type: User Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--------MB_8C978CFCA0669F4_F80_1FD98_FWM-M45.sysops.aol.com" X-Mailer: AOL WebMail 27618 Message-Id: <8C978CFCA0669F4-F80-10A4B@FWM-M45.sysops.aol.com> X-AOL-IP: 64.12.193.247 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70978 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2007 17:07:31 +0000 (UTC) ----------MB_8C978CFCA0669F4_F80_1FD98_FWM-M45.sysops.aol.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Thanks -- m Michael J. Meadors, P.A. 309 N.E. 1st Street Gainesville, FL 32601 (352) 335-6178 (352) 335-6179 (fax) (352) 213-1069 (cell) -----Original Message----- From: ron To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Sent: Sat, 9 Jun 2007 10:45 am Subject: Re: HELP! ONE-MAN BLUES BAND HOW TO?? Roland RC50XL - it love you long time.=C2=A0 3 times (3 banks).=C2=A0 Or go=20= Mobius on a laptop. R ---- Original message ---- Date: Sat, 09 Jun 2007 10:06:06 -0400 From: mjmeadors@aol.com Subject: Re: HELP! =C2=A0ONE-MAN BLUES BAND HOW TO?? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com I got all dat whats I need is a looper dat will play the first layer long nuff to play thr= u a hole verse =C2=A0 just woke up, i'll sleep when i'm dead -----Original Message----- From: stillllscary@netzero.net=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Sent: Sat, 9 Jun 2007 9:16 am Subject: Re: HELP! ONE-MAN BLUES BAND HOW TO?? what ju need is a big ole pile o reel to reels,a fishing pole,two slightly m= al-adjusted holly carberators,and a 8`~track copy of saucerfull of secrets..= .mix well and serve with blue corn chips,but use caution while in the infare= d gravity~field... sleep well,=C2=A0 scary visionary. AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from=20= AOL at AOL.com. ________________________________________________________________________ AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from= AOL at AOL.com. ----------MB_8C978CFCA0669F4_F80_1FD98_FWM-M45.sysops.aol.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8"
Thanks --

m

Michael J. Meadors, P.A.
309 N.E. 1st Street
Gainesville, FL 32601
(352) 335-6178
(352) 335-6179 (fax)
(352) 213-1069 (cell)

-----Original Message-----
From: ron
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Sent: Sat, 9 Jun 2007 10:45 am
Subject: Re: HELP! ONE-MAN BLUES BAND HOW TO??

Roland RC50XL -=20= it love you long time.=C2=A0 3 times (3 banks).=C2=A0 Or go Mobius on a lapt= op.

R

---- Original message ----

Date: Sat, 09 Jun 2007 10:06:06 -0400
From: mjmeadors@aol.com
Subject: Re: HELP! =C2=A0ONE-MAN BLUES BAND HOW TO??
To: Loopers-De= light@loopers-delight.com

I got all dat

whats I need is a looper dat will play the first layer long nuff to pla= y thru a hole verse

=C2=A0

just woke up, i'll sleep when i'm dead

-----Original Message-----

From: stillllscary@netzero.net

To: Loopers-Delight@l= oopers-delight.com

Sent: Sat, 9 Jun 2007 9:16 am

Subject: Re: HELP! ONE-MAN BLUES BAND HOW TO??

what ju need is a big ole pile o reel to reels,a fishing pole,two sligh= tly mal-adjusted holly carberators,and a 8`~track copy of saucerfull of secr= ets...mix well and serve with blue corn chips,but use caution while in the i= nfared gravity~field...

sleep well,=C2=A0 scary visionary.

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----------MB_8C978CFCA0669F4_F80_1FD98_FWM-M45.sysops.aol.com-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 9 17:55:20 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E18713BF17; Sat, 9 Jun 2007 17:55:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2007 13:55:09 EDT Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Re:=20HELP!=A0=20ONE-MAN=20BLUES=20BAND=20HOW=20T?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q?O=3F=3F?= To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_c46.15c7f9e1.339c437d_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 293 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70979 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2007 17:55:20 +0000 (UTC) --part1_c46.15c7f9e1.339c437d_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit mike.....boomerang.....mic www.ct-collective.com http://mysite.verizon.net/vzepmeci/ http://www.myspace.com/klobuchar11 ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. --part1_c46.15c7f9e1.339c437d_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable mike.....boomerang.....mic

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See what's=20= free at http://www.aol.com. --part1_c46.15c7f9e1.339c437d_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 9 18:40:23 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E035E3BEE2; Sat, 9 Jun 2007 18:40:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AgAAAGeQakZKgAATe2dsb2JhbACCMzSMYwIJBgYJBh0 Date: Sat, 09 Jun 2007 13:40:21 -0500 From: mwsmart@insightbb.com Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re=3A_HELP!=A0_ONE-MAN_BLUES_BAND_HOW_TO=3F=3F?= In-reply-to: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Sun Java(tm) System Messenger Express 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006) Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_x6ShZ2MdEBtp7d3B3NYzJQ)" Content-language: en X-Accept-Language: en Priority: normal References: Resent-Message-ID: <-bjofC.A.8h.WQvaGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70980 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2007 18:40:22 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_x6ShZ2MdEBtp7d3B3NYzJQ) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline You might want to try out the Danelectro Chili Dog Octave pedal for playing bass lines from your guitar, that's what I use: http://www.marksmart.net/gearhack/jazzpedalboard/jazzpedalboard.html Cheap and effective. Mark Smart http://www.marksmart.net --Boundary_(ID_x6ShZ2MdEBtp7d3B3NYzJQ) Content-type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline
You might want to try out the Danelectro Chili Dog Octave pedal for playing bass lines from your guitar, that's what I use:

http://www.marksmart.net/gearhack/jazzpedalboard/jazzpedalboard.html

Cheap and effective.

Mark Smart

http://www.marksmart.net

--Boundary_(ID_x6ShZ2MdEBtp7d3B3NYzJQ)-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 9 18:46:37 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3254B3BF1D; Sat, 9 Jun 2007 18:46:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: eterogeneo Reply-To: eterogeneo To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Creative Loop Music Unfit for Children Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2007 20:44:45 +0200 Message-ID: X-Mailer: EPOC e-mail Versione 2.10 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70981 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2007 18:46:37 +0000 (UTC) It sounds interesting. I'm out of Rome at this moment and can't download your files till monday. But i let you know about them for sure, Kris. You are incredibly prolific ! best Fabio www.eterogeneo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 9 21:12:04 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 683F73BF22; Sat, 9 Jun 2007 21:12:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com References: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: =?utf-8?Q?Re:_HELP!=C2=A0_ONE-MAN_BLUES_BAND_HOW_TO=3F=3F?= Date: Sat, 09 Jun 2007 17:11:50 -0400 In-Reply-To: X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 From: mjmeadors@aol.com X-MB-Message-Type: User Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--------MB_8C978F1EEB4A503_15D4_23CD_WEBMAIL-RA05.sysops.aol.com" X-Mailer: AOL WebMail 27618 Message-Id: <8C978F1EEB4A503-15D4-12FE@WEBMAIL-RA05.sysops.aol.com> X-AOL-IP: 152.163.181.144 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70982 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2007 21:12:04 +0000 (UTC) ----------MB_8C978F1EEB4A503_15D4_23CD_WEBMAIL-RA05.sysops.aol.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Mark: Thanks for taking the time to give me input. I will check out the chili dog pedal.=C2=A0 I went ahead today and bought th= e RC-20XL loop station, of which I see you have two.=C2=A0 Your sound bytes=20= are beautiful.=C2=A0 Nice job!=C2=A0 I'm just doing a Chicago blues thing bu= t with no drum machine, I plan to use a snare/kick and hi-hat mic'd through=20= a board and through the looper as a track.=C2=A0 You've got a nice setup!= =C2=A0 Thanks again. m -----Original Message----- From: mwsmart@insightbb.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Sent: Sat, 9 Jun 2007 2:40 pm Subject: Re: HELP!=C2=A0 ONE-MAN BLUES BAND HOW TO?? You might want to try out the Danelectro Chili Dog Octave pedal for playing=20= bass lines from your guitar, that's what I use: =C2=A0 http://www.marksmart.net/gearhack/jazzpedalboard/jazzpedalboard.html =C2=A0 Cheap and effective. =C2=A0 Mark Smart http://www.marksmart.net ________________________________________________________________________ AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from= AOL at AOL.com. ----------MB_8C978F1EEB4A503_15D4_23CD_WEBMAIL-RA05.sysops.aol.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8"

Mark:

=C2=A0

Thanks for taking the time to give me input.

=C2=A0

I will check out the chili dog pedal.=C2=A0 I went ahead today and boug= ht the RC-20XL loop station, of which I see you have two.=C2=A0 Your sound b= ytes are beautiful.=C2=A0 Nice job!=C2=A0 I'm just doing a Chicago blues thi= ng but with no drum machine, I plan to use a snare/kick and hi-hat mic'd thr= ough a board and through the looper as a track.=C2=A0 You've got a nice setu= p!=C2=A0 Thanks again.

m

-----Original Message-----
From: mwsmart@insightbb.com
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Sent: Sat, 9 Jun 2007 2:40 pm
Subject: Re: HELP!=C2=A0 ONE-MAN BLUES BAND HOW TO??

You might want to try out the Danelectro Chili Dog Octave pedal for pla= ying bass lines from your guitar, that's what I use:

=C2=A0

http://www.marksmart.net/gearhack/jazzpedalboard/j= azzpedalboard.html

=C2=A0

Cheap and effective.

=C2=A0

Mark Smart

http://www.marksm= art.net

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----------MB_8C978F1EEB4A503_15D4_23CD_WEBMAIL-RA05.sysops.aol.com-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 10 04:21:48 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0B82F3BF0F; Sun, 10 Jun 2007 04:21:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: "LD List" Subject: guitar floorboard with lots of MIDI control Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2007 06:22:04 +0200 Organization: Moinlabs Message-ID: <000301c7ab16$e65af7a0$1001a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Thread-Index: AcerFuYDZBAsW4+MQuSsMa8SNyMUBA== X-RZG-AUTH: lUESeo99iNzPL8kuBgLYdKEqUywq9cxqeRA+BtFcSCD5deQ7OId23nuohHI= X-RZG-CLASS-ID: mo07 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70983 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2007 04:21:48 +0000 (UTC) On my quest for the perfect setup, I'm contemplating using a guitar floorboard in front of the computer. What I'd want it to have: * digital S/PDIF out * lots of parameter tweaking via MIDI * good and diverse amp models * good wah * a choice of "standard" guitar effects * sync to MIDI clock. * floorboard with exp pedal (at least one) I think the Pod XT Live will do this kind of thing, except for the S/PDIF out. Any other options? Rainer From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 10 05:01:59 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1BC3B3BF10; Sun, 10 Jun 2007 05:01:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=gPrk1G+2dPpYY7CwGbmLAT/A2KwRkt0uuXmcVus7oZcMhbg35Uvux6/2aQ4N5lqgvTH7lMAZAfGMQZcSRpWa1ST3nET15xUDBECjsKhPlS0BE6mTIjYDfxJSWVnIJYL6LZl50j+SKcuViI3x/saqL1B4mItBqpWSXssBdYeWPek= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=f3oTStTidLHnt2TOSSiSQ3venv48gHkeW5M7OhxMYqVxOW+vMeEcbWzmkym+MzkV7d+UjG/2ZjTLZWsiH4vYs2JjTeI7kGATMaYX0y3Ph1ApA6M0f8//BS8XydoVRmWwcjOAD41ltwjhoekRC4Ltf9GlmBofddAr1eJqV9XRQrA= Message-ID: <9ff9c5d10706092201v544c5258q7890f8aef7df53aa@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2007 22:01:55 -0700 From: "Nic Roozeboom" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: guitar floorboard with lots of MIDI control In-Reply-To: <000301c7ab16$e65af7a0$1001a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_69_28696812.1181451715955" References: <000301c7ab16$e65af7a0$1001a8c0@succubus> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70984 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2007 05:01:59 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_69_28696812.1181451715955 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline How about the t.c. electronic G-Systemhttp://www.tcelectronic.com/Default.asp?Id=6055 Best, Nic On 6/9/07, Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill wrote: > > On my quest for the perfect setup, I'm contemplating using a guitar > floorboard in front of the computer. > > What I'd want it to have: > * digital S/PDIF out > * lots of parameter tweaking via MIDI > * good and diverse amp models > * good wah > * a choice of "standard" guitar effects > * sync to MIDI clock. > * floorboard with exp pedal (at least one) > > I think the Pod XT Live will do this kind of thing, except for the S/PDIF > out. Any other options? > > Rainer > > -- Nic Roozeboom http://www.fractal-continuum.com http://www.myspace.com/fractalcontinuum http://www.myspace.com/nicroozeboom http://www.cdbaby.com/fractal http://fractal.bebo.com/ ------=_Part_69_28696812.1181451715955 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline How about the
t.c. electronic G-System
http://www.tcelectronic.com/Default.asp?Id=6055

Best,
Nic

On 6/9/07, Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill < rs@moinlabs.de> wrote:
On my quest for the perfect setup, I'm contemplating using a guitar
floorboard in front of the computer.

What I'd want it to have:
        * digital S/PDIF out
        * lots of parameter tweaking via MIDI
        * good and diverse amp models
        * good wah
        * a choice of "standard" guitar effects
        * sync to MIDI clock.
        * floorboard with exp pedal (at least one)

I think the Pod XT Live will do this kind of thing, except for the S/PDIF
out. Any other options?

        Rainer

--
Nic Roozeboom

http://www.fractal-continuum.com
http://www.myspace.com/fractalcontinuum
http://www.myspace.com/nicroozeboom
http://www.cdbaby.com/fractal
http://fractal.bebo.com/ ------=_Part_69_28696812.1181451715955-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 10 05:06:16 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 96BB53BF2A; Sun, 10 Jun 2007 05:06:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <9ff9c5d10706092201v544c5258q7890f8aef7df53aa@mail.gmail.com> References: <000301c7ab16$e65af7a0$1001a8c0@succubus> <9ff9c5d10706092201v544c5258q7890f8aef7df53aa@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-19--866064335 Message-Id: <6C48ED72-66D7-4703-BFC7-20E109F80108@midway.uchicago.edu> From: Jeff Shirkey Subject: Re: guitar floorboard with lots of MIDI control Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2007 00:08:02 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70985 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2007 05:06:16 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-19--866064335 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed On Jun 10, 2007, at 12:01 AM, Nic Roozeboom wrote: > How about the > t.c. electronic G-System > > http://www.tcelectronic.com/Default.asp?Id=6055 > This doesn't have amp models--does it? It's not a floor unit, but if I were you, I'd look at the AXE FX instead of the Pod XT stuff. Rack the AXE FX and use a good MIDI foot controller. Jeff --Apple-Mail-19--866064335 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII
On Jun 10, 2007, at 12:01 AM, Nic Roozeboom wrote:

How about the
t.c. electronic G-System
http://www.tcelectronic.com/Default.asp?Id=6055

This doesn't have amp models--does it?

It's not a floor unit, but if I were you, I'd look at the AXE FX instead of the Pod XT stuff. Rack the AXE FX and use a good MIDI foot controller.

Jeff

--Apple-Mail-19--866064335-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 10 05:35:12 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E43A93BF1E; Sun, 10 Jun 2007 05:35:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <49494.68.121.167.216.1181453710.squirrel@webmail.zerocrossing.net> In-Reply-To: <6C48ED72-66D7-4703-BFC7-20E109F80108@midway.uchicago.edu> References: <000301c7ab16$e65af7a0$1001a8c0@succubus> <9ff9c5d10706092201v544c5258q7890f8aef7df53aa@mail.gmail.com> <6C48ED72-66D7-4703-BFC7-20E109F80108@midway.uchicago.edu> Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2007 22:35:10 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: guitar floorboard with lots of MIDI control From: sine@zerocrossing.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.9a MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70986 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2007 05:35:12 +0000 (UTC) This is something that I've searched the earth for... haven't found it. To me, the Line6 amp sims sound good... but you loose some of the "feel" of an amp/footpedel setup. No MIDI sync either. Don't remember if it has dig out. The Vox Tonelab has what I think are the best amp sims and really captures the feel of the amp/footpedel setup. Falls down on the fuzzbox sims though (I supplement with a Line6 box) The reverb is strictly spring or plate sounding, so if you need lush real sounding verbs, it's no so good... chorus is kind of flat too...also, no MIDI synced effects or dig out. The new version might, I don't know. I have no idea about the TC (though I know their stuff is great) but I'm pretty sure no MIDI sync. My "solution" ends up being a Vox Tonelab SE, Line 6 Distortion Modeler for the Fuzzbox sims, and a Boss VF1 for reverbs, time based effects, delays (all MIDI synched) Sometimes I think I can ditch the VF1 because of what I can do with computer VSTs... but the VF1 is so good and elegant it's going to be a long time before it leaves my rig. Cool thing is it's got an 8 second looper so if the computer goes to the bahamas during a performance, I can cook up some loops on the fly until I've rebooted. Guitar Rig 2 is kind of that, in a sense, but something about it bothered me. I couldn't handle that latency. Anyway, it's an "ugly hack" as far as I'm concerned. Sounds great, works great, but man what I'd give to find it all in one box that sits on the floor, but I've given up on that dream. If you find it, I'd love to know. Mark > On Jun 10, 2007, at 12:01 AM, Nic Roozeboom wrote: > >> How about the >> t.c. electronic G-System >> >> http://www.tcelectronic.com/Default.asp?Id=6055 >> > > This doesn't have amp models--does it? > > It's not a floor unit, but if I were you, I'd look at the AXE FX > instead of the Pod XT stuff. Rack the AXE FX and use a good MIDI foot > controller. > > Jeff > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 10 08:37:49 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8F4163BF1B; Sun, 10 Jun 2007 08:37:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=S5by9p1PMuihe0XfIe4vnDNjA42MXkrFZ6ef90qM2KL/uT5RoLcBH2fu++zMsZKAEh1yNQaMriHnnfKDTh2SVjt1jRlrvJSQLHoSOii1ghC1Dig5MCpTLZro005GNHvPlAh3jmnyHG5oDmUsiUCKpZ0FoRLX1tJ5gIqlffDVsPs= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=Bx2Kf9DtSQFvaw4qqQsl3FaWIk4bLVazrZqa1e01+SE0dGe5RZG4+LsUBSa3LV+HSMklJic7K9jHsVcaDzddOqHXuoTS8qwHxXklRqffamAtPJEqK2oPPJ9LcWYx8vDyF7v2EdmGdRUU05FuxMtWjdAP5QRURQG9TqSJC6bRGDQ= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <49494.68.121.167.216.1181453710.squirrel@webmail.zerocrossing.net> References: <000301c7ab16$e65af7a0$1001a8c0@succubus> <9ff9c5d10706092201v544c5258q7890f8aef7df53aa@mail.gmail.com> <6C48ED72-66D7-4703-BFC7-20E109F80108@midway.uchicago.edu> <49494.68.121.167.216.1181453710.squirrel@webmail.zerocrossing.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <89B9206F-2F66-49CC-99C7-9C7D3620E08C@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: guitar floorboard with lots of MIDI control Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2007 10:37:43 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70987 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2007 08:37:49 +0000 (UTC) On 10 jun 2007, at 07.35, sine@zerocrossing.net wrote: > Guitar Rig 2 is kind of that, in a sense, but something about it =20 > bothered > me. Me as well... There is something crappy with the sound. I spend long =20 time trying to get a better sound but it seems it suffers from some =20 "default crappiness" on the sound creating software code level. Ok, =20 it sound a little better if you run it in "high resolution mode", but =20= the general "bad taste" to the sound is still there. I was able to =20 get a much better, IMO, guitar sound from the NI Guitar Combos; great =20= reverb but not all the rest of the effects that comes with GR. But =20 frankly, all the built-in effects is also why I did not like GR. I =20 was able to get better effects, and in some sense even guitar type =20 distortion, by patching up those typical effect chains with other, =20 carefully chosen, VST plug-ins in Bidule. Oh BTW, since you brought up software amp modeling (although Rainer =20 asked for floor box board tips) I must say that I love the AmpliTube2 =20= Jimi Hendrix. Have had it for some two months now. It's especially =20 good at typical Hendrix sounds, which is a completely different =20 universe. It has some analog feel to the sound (I'm comparing it to =20 physical my Sovtek MIG-60 top cooking both the first stage=92s three =20 12AX7A tubes and the output stage=92s two EL-34 tubes driving a =20 Marshall Lead Series cabinet of one 12=94 speaker element). Another =20 good part of the AmpliTube2 JH is the Octavia replication. I do own =20 the physical stomp box Roger Mayer Octavia and IK Multimedia have =20 almost succeeded to clone it in digital. Missing the dynamics you get =20= with the real stomp box when playing low output single coil neck =20 position mic and working the guitar's volume and tone knobs while =20 playing, but I guess that's true analog magic that is just impossible =20= to measure for digital replication ;-) > I couldn't handle that latency. I did not find that troublesome at all. To my musical senses it =20 equals standing three to four meters away from your speaker while =20 playing. Good enough for guitar, but maybe difficult for vocals or =20 wind instruments. I have never gotten into guitar floorboards, although I have done =20 some magazine tests of units that sounded very good, so I have no =20 other advice to Rainer than going to a music store and test them out. =20= By doing that it would take you no more than an afternoon to find the =20= one that suits your need. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://www.myspace.com/looproom http://www.jamendo.com/en/artist/per.boysen/ http://www.jamendo.com/en/artist/lo.fi.lazer/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 10 09:50:59 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 490A83BF1E; Sun, 10 Jun 2007 09:50:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: guitar effect with lots of MIDI control (was: guitar floorboard with lots of MIDI control) Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2007 11:51:16 +0200 Organization: Moinlabs Message-ID: <000301c7ab44$e3a92f30$1001a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: AcerOqDxG+zvmJpTTRusrqfQSbHgnwACcpAQ In-Reply-To: <89B9206F-2F66-49CC-99C7-9C7D3620E08C@gmail.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-RZG-AUTH: lUESeo99iNzPL8kuBgLYdKEqUywq9cxqeRA+BtFcSCD5deQ7OIJYlRcEfQ== X-RZG-CLASS-ID: mo07 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70988 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2007 09:50:59 +0000 (UTC) Thanks, Sine, for bringing up the idea of a rack effect. As a matter of = fact, I can very well live with a rack effect (though it should be = small, 1HU or better halfrack). About the Axe FX, it seems that similar = to e.g. the Boss GT-8, it only offers MIDI CC control of eight = parameters, though... The same problem is true for the Boss VF-1 you mentioned, which to my = understanding only allows control of four parameters. But to everyone: see this as a modified requirement - it needn't be a = floor unit. Also, I would be happy if I had to spend less than, say, = =E2=82=AC500. Rainer From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 10 10:04:32 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 60BEA3BF23; Sun, 10 Jun 2007 10:04:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2007 18:04:19 +0800 From: Randolf Arriola Subject: Loopscape with Voice, some efx and RC50 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <000a01c7ab46$b6df33d0$6e01a8c0@embryo> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_G3LFdZoa8F8b4ZLLbngtxg)" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70989 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2007 10:04:32 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_G3LFdZoa8F8b4ZLLbngtxg) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Hi all :) I was previously experimenting with some layered vocal harmonies and vox beats on the DL4 but only started getting more expanded ideas captured ideas the RC50. The tune Nebulla was inspired by the movie "The Fountain". I hope to explore deeper into this area to discover and learn further about how to incorporate this into my live performances...hopefully. Let me know what you guys think about the piece and how you'd suggest ways to improve and further develop the idea ya. The tune is available at http://www.myspace.com/theembryo Oh yes the gear used was; SM58 --- Boss CS3 Compressor --- Yamaha Magicstomp --- Boss DD20 Gigadelay--- Boss RC50 Loopstation. The tune was then transfered to Wavelab realtime and mixed down. Thanks for your kind attention folks. Randolf Arriola (aka the embryo) http://www.soundclick.com/bands/5/theembryo.htm http://www.myspace.com/the_embryo --Boundary_(ID_G3LFdZoa8F8b4ZLLbngtxg) Content-type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT
Hi all :)

I was previously experimenting with some layered vocal harmonies and vox beats on the DL4 but only started getting more expanded ideas captured ideas the RC50. The tune Nebulla was inspired by the movie "The Fountain".

I hope to explore deeper into this area to discover and learn further about how to incorporate this into my live performances...hopefully. Let me know what you guys think about the piece and how you'd suggest ways to improve and further develop the idea ya. The tune is available at  http://www.myspace.com/theembryo

Oh yes the gear used was;

SM58 --- Boss CS3 Compressor --- Yamaha Magicstomp --- Boss DD20 Gigadelay--- Boss RC50 Loopstation.

The tune was then transfered to Wavelab realtime and mixed down.

Thanks for your kind attention folks.

Randolf Arriola (aka the embryo)
http://www.soundclick.com/bands/5/theembryo.htm
http://www.myspace.com/the_embryo
--Boundary_(ID_G3LFdZoa8F8b4ZLLbngtxg)-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 10 13:12:01 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AE8503BF29; Sun, 10 Jun 2007 13:12:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: ron Subject: Re: guitar floorboard with lots of MIDI control To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Mirapoint Webmail Direct 3.7.5a-GA MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-----b438ffdd402f5d640c9902e196754de1" Message-Id: <20070610091200.DNL41389@ms02.lnh.mail.rcn.net> Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2007 09:12:00 -0400 (EDT) X-Junkmail-Whitelist: YES (by domain whitelist at mr02.lnh.mail.rcn.net) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70990 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2007 13:12:01 +0000 (UTC) -------b438ffdd402f5d640c9902e196754de1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Something to look into, is the upcoming Roland VG99 w/ the FC300 floor boardcontroller. It 'looks' like it has the best of everything, VG technology, Boss GT8Pro and a pitch-midi convertor (requires the 13 pin connector), amp sims, a slew of midi controlled parms. unique ribbon and d-beam control, quick altered tuning, guitar emulation(teles, strats, banjo, nylon, les paul, ricks), excellent on-screen editor (PC and Mac) Intro'd at NAMM 2007, but still not yet delivered (Aug 07). I'll be being one to try, and hopefully consolidate all my gear, but who knows if the reality lives up to the hype. Reports from the user groups and those in the 'know' say it's very good. IMHO, tubes and analog will always have that special something we all look for. Personally, I love using digital products, VST's, modellers, pitch-midi and software synths. I am a digital guitar geek, and less of a purist (which I take a lot of heat for in my bands and from guitar buddies), but tone is what rules in the guitar world. Ron ---- Original message ---- Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2007 22:01:55 -0700 From: "Nic Roozeboom" Subject: Re: guitar floorboard with lots of MIDI control To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com How about the t.c. electronic G-System http://www.tcelectronic.com/Default.asp?Id=6055 Best, Nic On 6/9/07, Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill < rs@moinlabs.de> wrote: On my quest for the perfect setup, I'm contemplating using a guitar floorboard in front of the computer. What I'd want it to have: * digital S/PDIF out * lots of parameter tweaking via MIDI * good and diverse amp models * good wah * a choice of "standard" guitar effects * sync to MIDI clock. * floorboard with exp pedal (at least one) I think the Pod XT Live will do this kind of thing, except for the S/PDIF out. Any other options? Rainer -- Nic Roozeboom http://www.fractal-continuum.com http://www.myspace.com/fractalcontinuum http://www.myspace.com/nicroozeboom http://www.cdbaby.com/fractal http://fractal.bebo.com/ -------b438ffdd402f5d640c9902e196754de1 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Something to look into, is the upcoming Roland VG99 w/ the FC300 floor boardcontroller. It 'looks' like it has the best of everything, VG technology, Boss GT8Pro and a pitch-midi convertor (requires the 13 pin connector), amp sims, a slew of midi controlled parms. unique ribbon and d-beam control, quick altered tuning, guitar emulation(teles, strats, banjo, nylon, les paul, ricks), excellent on-screen editor (PC and Mac) Intro'd at NAMM 2007, but still not yet delivered (Aug 07).

I'll be being one to try, and hopefully consolidate all my gear, but who knows if the reality lives up to the hype. Reports from the user groups and those in the 'know' say it's very good.

IMHO, tubes and analog will always have that special something we all look for. Personally, I love using digital products, VST's, modellers, pitch-midi and software synths. I am a digital guitar geek, and less of a purist (which I take a lot of heat for in my bands and from guitar buddies), but tone is what rules in the guitar world.

Ron

---- Original message ----

Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2007 22:01:55 -0700
From: "Nic Roozeboom" <nicroozeboom@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: guitar floorboard with lots of MIDI control
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com

How about the

t.c. electronic G-System

http://www.tcelectronic.com/Default.asp?Id=6055

Best,
Nic

On 6/9/07, Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill <
rs@moinlabs.de> wrote:
On my quest for the perfect setup, I'm contemplating using a guitar

floorboard in front of the computer.

What I'd want it to have:
        * digital S/PDIF out
        * lots of parameter tweaking via MIDI
        * good and diverse amp models
        * good wah

        * a choice of "standard" guitar effects
        * sync to MIDI clock.
        * floorboard with exp pedal (at least one)

I think the Pod XT Live will do this kind of thing, except for the S/PDIF

out. Any other options?

        Rainer

--
Nic Roozeboom

http://www.fractal-continuum.com

http://www.myspace.com/fractalcontinuum
http://www.myspace.com/nicroozeboom
http://www.cdbaby.com/fractal

http://fractal.bebo.com/

-------b438ffdd402f5d640c9902e196754de1-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 10 15:34:22 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6DE783BF26; Sun, 10 Jun 2007 15:34:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: BASS LOOPING INTERVIEW from 2001 Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2007 17:34:38 +0200 Organization: Moinlabs Message-ID: <000301c7ab74$db7d5a90$1001a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: AcerOqDxG+zvmJpTTRusrqfQSbHgnwACcpAQAAwITiA= In-Reply-To: <000301c7ab44$e3a92f30$1001a8c0@succubus> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-RZG-AUTH: lUESeo99iNzPL8kuBgLYdKEqUywq9cxqeRA+BtFcSCD5deQ7OIJZwRU4Ig== X-RZG-CLASS-ID: mo07 Resent-Message-ID: <0aM-iD.A.ACF.9nBbGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70991 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2007 15:34:22 +0000 (UTC) Thanks, Rick, for reminding us of your marketing skills, as well as of the longtime loops as mentioned by Steve. For me, my "micro rig" consisting of a Zoom G2.1u and a Boss DD20 has hipped me to letting loops run for hours, letting them run in the evening, then waking up in the middle of the night with a brand new idea for that very loop, then completing the song in the morning... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 10 15:39:58 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9F83E3BF24; Sun, 10 Jun 2007 15:39:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: AW: guitar floorboard with lots of MIDI control Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2007 17:40:15 +0200 Organization: Moinlabs Message-ID: <000401c7ab75$a47ac0e0$1001a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: AcerYO8ZFFK57ydeRmerVcbexkXizQAFHztA In-Reply-To: <20070610091200.DNL41389@ms02.lnh.mail.rcn.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-RZG-AUTH: lUESeo99iNzPL8kuBgLYdKEqUywq9cxqeRA+BtFcSCD5deQ7OIJZwRU4Ig== X-RZG-CLASS-ID: mo07 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70992 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2007 15:39:58 +0000 (UTC) Mhmm, if you give it a spin, please do look whether the per-string pitch shifter is not as crappy as it was with the VBass...if it offers everything it promises including touch-of-a-button-Manring, I might be hooked even with that steep price tag. ________________________________ Von: ron [mailto:rmbaylin@starpower.net] Gesendet: Sonntag, 10. Juni 2007 15:12 An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Betreff: Re: guitar floorboard with lots of MIDI control Something to look into, is the upcoming Roland VG99 w/ the FC300 floor boardcontroller. It 'looks' like it has the best of everything, VG technology, Boss GT8Pro and a pitch-midi convertor (requires the 13 pin connector), amp sims, a slew From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 10 17:39:01 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 54E353BF1D; Sun, 10 Jun 2007 17:39:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <08ab01c7ab86$38f5aae0$6401a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Resetting the Behringer FCB Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2007 11:38:54 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70993 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2007 17:39:01 +0000 (UTC) I need to reset my FCB. Anyone know what different settings you get between the three types of reset configuration shown in the manual? (page 12) All I need is program changes and both express pedals activated. 1 + 6 V-AMP family products 1 + 7 BEHRINGER guitar amps 1 + 8 BASS V-AMP product range Kris From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 10 17:59:14 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3E8A93BF28; Sun, 10 Jun 2007 17:59:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Ah4FAEvYa0ZKgAATe2dsb2JhbACBTmI3i2t4AQEJBgYJBh0 Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2007 12:59:12 -0500 From: mwsmart@insightbb.com Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re=3A_HELP!=A0_ONE-MAN_BLUES_BAND_HOW_TO=3F=3F?= In-reply-to: <8C978F1EEB4A503-15D4-12FE@WEBMAIL-RA05.sysops.aol.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Sun Java(tm) System Messenger Express 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006) Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_POSrKuq4XQ1cathNocmGlQ)" Content-language: en X-Accept-Language: en Priority: normal References: <8C978F1EEB4A503-15D4-12FE@WEBMAIL-RA05.sysops.aol.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70994 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2007 17:59:14 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_POSrKuq4XQ1cathNocmGlQ) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline ----- Original Message ----- From: mjmeadors@aol.com Date: Saturday, June 9, 2007 16:12 Subject: Re: HELP! ONE-MAN BLUES BAND HOW TO?? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Thanks for taking the time to give me input. No problem. > I will check out the chili dog pedal. I went ahead today and > bought the RC-20XL loop station, of which I see you have two. Mine are actually the earlier non-XL versions of the RC-20, which work fine for what I want to do at the moment. An older RC-20 would probably work for you, too, and you can get them pretty cheap on Ebay, but I see I'm too late with that suggestion. :) > Your sound bytes are beautiful. Nice job! I'm just doing a > Chicago blues thing but with no drum machine, I plan to use a > snare/kick and hi-hat mic'd through a board and through the > looper as a track. You've got a nice setup! Thanks again. > > > m Thanks. I just got a recording of a live performance I did at a local gig called Champaign-Urbana Jazz Guitar night. I might post those at some point. Not the best I ever played, but hearing the reaction of the audience is kind of fun. Mark --Boundary_(ID_POSrKuq4XQ1cathNocmGlQ) Content-type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline
----- Original Message -----
From: mjmeadors@aol.com
Date: Saturday, June 9, 2007 16:12
Subject: Re: HELP! ONE-MAN BLUES BAND HOW TO??
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com

> Thanks for taking the time to give me input.

No problem.

> I will check out the chili dog pedal. I went ahead today and
> bought the RC-20XL loop station, of which I see you have two.

Mine are actually the earlier non-XL versions of the RC-20, which work fine for what I want to do at the moment. An older RC-20 would probably work for you, too, and you can get them pretty cheap on Ebay, but I see I'm too late with that suggestion. :)

> Your sound bytes are beautiful. Nice job! I'm just doing a
> Chicago blues thing but with no drum machine, I plan to use a
> snare/kick and hi-hat mic'd through a board and through the
> looper as a track. You've got a nice setup! Thanks again.
>
>
> m

Thanks. I just got a recording of a live performance I did at a local gig called Champaign-Urbana Jazz Guitar night. I might post those at some point. Not the best I ever played, but hearing the reaction of the audience is kind of fun.

Mark
--Boundary_(ID_POSrKuq4XQ1cathNocmGlQ)-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 10 21:26:41 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C6BD83BF27; Sun, 10 Jun 2007 21:26:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=sh3v3ytFKQ/prAPTrekcAeGA9wFkPaAgqVHvElyxGwOhMpK/s4tI1+HPs1JDkXTZ7/aZvysLYgDdSnGaGTwMXmNa2/nNrpiYS4iV5136/jQWqraEWwQ4fYYUi0p3b14Mv85RzY1gzMGgFRLP8lrgxvQiCAo7c2pt5wod8h240o4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=AQMHOxvjujLMfTcbhKT/FeHMqOfr+XS1Yr5JCnDqVahXAWHgGE+9vJ+s54iNJpfzquQYhn+1VULH//XeXsd2iOMU+L5mwQA7qS+b5dR8/2WHxh2d7sPj9N21ZA5diwhJMWTjcOGHF7QVQc1OsbbUPoFhRV11Qds6912+kZtv+54= Message-ID: Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2007 16:26:40 -0500 From: "Kelly Coyle" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: loopers for sale MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_105508_12877062.1181510800417" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70995 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2007 21:26:41 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_105508_12877062.1181510800417 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline I am selling a couple of my loopers as part of my "I have too much stuff" cycle. I'll eBay them later this week, but thought I could try here first. They are: An Electro-Harmonix 2880 with extras: the foot controller, several memory cards of various sizes (256MB, 256MB, 1GB, 1GB), and the USB cable. Also the power supply and the original boxes. I *think* I have the manuals, but can't prove that just this second. A Backline RiffBox with power supply. I do not have the manual for this one, but there is a download available. The eHx I will sell for $425 shipped in the lower 48. The RiffBox for $210 shipped in the lower 48. (I will now return to lurking.) ------=_Part_105508_12877062.1181510800417 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline I am selling a couple of my loopers as part of my "I have too much stuff" cycle. I'll eBay them later this week, but thought I could try here first. They are:

An Electro-Harmonix 2880 with extras: the foot controller, several memory cards of various sizes (256MB, 256MB, 1GB, 1GB), and the USB cable. Also the power supply and the original boxes. I *think* I have the manuals, but can't prove that just this second.

A Backline RiffBox with power supply. I do not have the manual for this one, but there is a download available.

The eHx I will sell for $425 shipped in the lower 48. The RiffBox for $210 shipped in the lower 48.

(I will now return to lurking.)
------=_Part_105508_12877062.1181510800417-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 10 22:10:36 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7A2F53BF20; Sun, 10 Jun 2007 22:10:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=H7e15Kru95q6lmvFZvOJsWTlM9d8c+MzCAYox6J5rlibvi+EB+sJSIoN4lAFo0CZvi/5tivVE5+/TV+03gAQtSXIbo0hn8qW3Yz9ZxEwplzd9+iaWTCB1nvkOl63lvXQcZJvTM+LWhXcwSYB5bEohf4sTZfpbK2BOlliDYq0jF4=; X-YMail-OSG: Z8j6TLMVM1nZuGAy4pHaQKa_9AAaDMteWHXvqiHYrOGabNrxvWtoKTlg_TJePOdqAr7akqXOeQRyLa8YOwiXcujbQszruUHXoHkoAhaQUgyOPKI68LI- Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2007 14:28:47 -0700 (PDT) From: bill bigrig Subject: Re: OT: thoughts on music and cooking To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <222530.69595.qm@web38603.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <263874.38135.qm@web32703.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70996 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2007 22:10:36 +0000 (UTC) Howdy, I recommend hornsby's hard cider. Rig --- "L.A. Angulo" wrote: > > Milk perhaps? > > > > > > I like to drink beer while cooking, and drink > wine > > while eating. > > > I'm still not quite sure what to drink while > > making beer... > > > > > > Tony > > > > > > > > > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > Be a better Heartthrob. Get better relationship > answers from someone who knows. Yahoo! Answers - > Check it out. > http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=list&sid=396545433 > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Yahoo! oneSearch: Finally, mobile search that gives answers, not web links. http://mobile.yahoo.com/mobileweb/onesearch?refer=1ONXIC From testuser@mail.hjw.com Mon Jun 11 09:02:00 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 3103 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Mon, 11 Jun 2007 09:01:59 UTC Received: from mail.hjw.com (mail.hjw.com [67.94.31.211]) by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 011143BEFB for ; Mon, 11 Jun 2007 09:01:59 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail.hjw.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mail.hjw.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l5B91xYT004521 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Mon, 11 Jun 2007 02:01:59 -0700 Received: (from testuser@localhost) by mail.hjw.com (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) id l5B91xBr004520; Mon, 11 Jun 2007 02:01:59 -0700 Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2007 02:01:59 -0700 Message-Id: <200706110901.l5B91xBr004520@mail.hjw.com> To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Subject: Restore your online account access. From: "service@bankofamerica.com" Content-Type: text/html Bank of America

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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 11 14:58:22 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 590073BF29; Mon, 11 Jun 2007 14:58:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: <263874.38135.qm@web32703.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <263874.38135.qm@web32703.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <5C946671-D01B-4969-AD30-9133C2550235@infinivert.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Josh Carroll Subject: Re: OT: thoughts on music and cooking Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2007 09:58:16 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - chara.lunarpages.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - infinivert.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70997 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2007 14:58:22 +0000 (UTC) Hornsby's is pretty good, but I prefer Woodchuck. --Josh On Jun 10, 2007, at 4:28 PM, bill bigrig wrote: > Howdy, > > I recommend hornsby's hard cider. > Rig > > > --- "L.A. Angulo" wrote: > >> >> Milk perhaps? >> >>> >>>> I like to drink beer while cooking, and drink >> wine >>> while eating. >>>> I'm still not quite sure what to drink while >>> making beer... >>>> >>>> Tony >>>> >>> >>> >> >> >> www.myspace.com/luisangulocom >> >> >> >> > ______________________________________________________________________ > ______________ >> Be a better Heartthrob. Get better relationship >> answers from someone who knows. Yahoo! Answers - >> Check it out. >> > http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=list&sid=396545433 >> >> > > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > ______________ > Yahoo! oneSearch: Finally, mobile search > that gives answers, not web links. > http://mobile.yahoo.com/mobileweb/onesearch?refer=1ONXIC > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 11 15:37:37 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 881163BF2E; Mon, 11 Jun 2007 15:37:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=EryxDz94CxPWpeElBmNO8Vz2o5USH5hJG76t3WeX9SYzsGrUW4/uDO2Rb43zRH+tNuzya/ZLWZ2eJwboD6STfd0SHRhSZqhovsXjdQF9E1NfMW3rSPrJNsaBrPXhdwx6Kd6oO0MvQ7SyY2oqCwKQrCFSBe0mK/ZK0+rFaPj0G3Q=; X-YMail-OSG: MlrG2AsVM1kcbp7peilgH.C9oX1EyZuMGMVBBhB4cNArfNxbXtsoSf00Qvro69_QMBE.gzFqMOWsf8GsiIPTsZ_ey.wp4DgghjvwuFC8KsKmdWDi3kyOugc.dKz_hQ-- Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2007 08:37:36 -0700 (PDT) From: Elmer Fuddski Subject: Trouble Thinking of Loops Beyond the Initial Loop To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <5C946671-D01B-4969-AD30-9133C2550235@infinivert.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1332611568-1181576256=:56455" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <221392.56455.qm@web38406.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70998 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2007 15:37:37 +0000 (UTC) --0-1332611568-1181576256=:56455 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Total Block! Total Block! (from House of 1000 Corpses). I keep coming up with pretty good/interesting loops (guitar and drum backing) with my RC-50. But, I can't seem to develop a corresponding "verse" to the initial loop structure (following a somewhat standard song structure). Any ideas to help the creative juices flowing from this esteemed group of musucians? Thanks in advance, Jake --------------------------------- We won't tell. Get more on shows you hate to love (and love to hate): Yahoo! TV's Guilty Pleasures list. --0-1332611568-1181576256=:56455 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Total Block! Total Block! (from House of 1000 Corpses).

I keep coming up with pretty good/interesting loops (guitar and drum backing) with my RC-50. But, I can't seem to develop a corresponding "verse" to the initial loop structure (following a somewhat standard song structure).

Any ideas to help the creative juices flowing from this esteemed group of musucians?

Thanks in advance,

Jake

We won't tell. Get more on shows you hate to love
(and love to hate): Yahoo! TV's Guilty Pleasures list. --0-1332611568-1181576256=:56455-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 11 15:50:40 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 57DCD3BF23; Mon, 11 Jun 2007 15:50:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <221392.56455.qm@web38406.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <221392.56455.qm@web38406.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-2--741110648 Message-Id: From: James Richmond Subject: Re: Trouble Thinking of Loops Beyond the Initial Loop Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2007 11:50:35 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70999 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2007 15:50:40 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-2--741110648 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed > Any ideas to help the creative juices flowing from this esteemed > group of musucians? > > Thanks in advance, > > Jake I try to think of a harmonic structure I want to work with between each corresponding part. Then I try to think of building blocks and how to arrange these blocks My system might work something like this. A A+ (where + is a variation of the main theme) B B+ A+ / B (where / represents layering in this case A on top of B) C/A+/B (introducing a new motif on top of the existing structure) C/A+/B+ C/B+ C/B B Now I run 3 independent looping rigs so it is relatively easy for me to work in this fashion without tripping over myself- I don't know if the RC50 gives you this degree of flexibility. Regards, Jim Richmond --Apple-Mail-2--741110648 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1
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Now I run 3 = independent looping rigs so it is relatively easy for me to work in this = fashion without tripping over myself- I don't know if the RC50 gives you = this degree of flexibility.

Regards,=A0

Jim Richmond

= --Apple-Mail-2--741110648-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 11 15:51:17 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 106D43BF34; Mon, 11 Jun 2007 15:51:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: midifriedchicken@comcast.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com (Loopers Delight) Subject: I now "get" the RC-50. Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2007 15:51:15 +0000 Message-Id: <061120071551.9628.466D6F730006E5FD0000259C2216551406020A050C07080C0B0A079D00070B0703@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Oct 4 2006) X-Authenticated-Sender: bWlkaWZyaWVkY2hpY2tlbkBjb21jYXN0Lm5ldA== MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_9628_1181577075_0" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71000 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2007 15:51:17 +0000 (UTC) --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_9628_1181577075_0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I was going to sell this thing. But! Now I've figured out a way to use this thing in a really cool way. The little stutter going from "record" to "play" always bugged the shit out of me. So, a few friends came over to play this weekend and we connected a Yamaha DD55 to the RC-50. The RC-50 was the master. This seems to be the only way to use sync with the RC-50. No matter, as it works great like this. The DD55 (a hugely under-appreciated device) syncs to the RC-50's tempo. No more stutter as the loops are perfectly set. Now the DD55 with somewhat decent sounds can played by a drummer or percussionest with a basic click track to guide them and the loops on the RC-50 never drift like with a real drum set. The click track can be on the DD55 and be a basic hihat, or conga. Or it can be on the RC-50. Either way, it can still very musical. This weekend we are going to experiment with different wav files imported into the RC 50 as rhythm guides. Also, we setup the DD55 to trigger BFD which sounds as good as any drum set. This could be the we gig from now on. Fewer mouths to feed, smaller stages are now available and setup is easy and quick. The only concern is hearing the initial guides. So monitoring is key. So far it seem very doable. We have a gig in few weeks that we are going to do this way. Ill let you guys know how it went. MFC --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_9628_1181577075_0 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
I was going to sell this thing. But! Now I've figured out a way to use this thing in a really cool way.

The little stutter going from "record" to "play" always bugged the shit out of me. So, a few friends came over to play this weekend and we connected a Yamaha DD55 to the RC-50. The RC-50 was the master. This seems to be the only way to use sync with the RC-50. No matter, as it works great like this. The DD55 (a hugely under-appreciated device) syncs to the RC-50's tempo. No more stutter as the loops are perfectly set.

Now the DD55 with somewhat decent sounds can played by a drummer or percussionest with a basic click track to guide them and the loops on the RC-50 never drift like with a real drum set.

The click track can be on the DD55 and be a basic hihat, or conga. Or it can be on the RC-50. Either way, it can still very musical. This weekend we are going to experiment with different wav files imported into the RC 50 as rhythm guides. Also, we setup the DD55 to trigger BFD which sounds as good as any drum set.

This could be the we gig from now on. Fewer mouths to feed, smaller stages are now available and setup is easy and quick.

The only concern is hearing the initial guides. So monitoring is key. So far it seem very doable. We have a gig in few weeks that we are going to do this way. Ill let you guys know how it went.

MFC

--NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_9628_1181577075_0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 11 16:02:22 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id ACEC63BF37; Mon, 11 Jun 2007 16:02:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <005c01c7ac41$e2fef580$4101a8c0@mini> From: "Claude Voit" To: References: <221392.56455.qm@web38406.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Trouble Thinking of Loops Beyond the Initial Loop Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2007 18:02:18 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71001 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2007 16:02:22 +0000 (UTC) if the creative juice doesnt flow the way you usually try to do it change the way do not start with guitar in hand but conceptualise the different parts before by describing them on paper part A :smooth, in B major (emphasis on add9th), counterpoint on half notes write a poem for A etc.... part B: tense, in another key contrast)? , ostinato in 16th, high and shouted melody write an answer/reaction to this poem... etc. but in any case stay with what you have planned do _NOT_ endlessly Noodle untill ure tired Claude Elmer Fuddski wrote: > Total Block! Total Block! (from House of 1000 Corpses). > > I keep coming up with pretty good/interesting loops (guitar and > drum backing) with my RC-50. But, I can't seem to develop a > corresponding "verse" to the initial loop structure (following a > somewhat standard song structure). > > Any ideas to help the creative juices flowing from this esteemed > group of musucians? > > Thanks in advance, > > Jake > > > > > --------------------------------- > We won't tell. Get more on shows you hate to love > (and love to hate): Yahoo! TV's Guilty Pleasures list. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 11 16:28:44 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9294B3BF34; Mon, 11 Jun 2007 16:28:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-UNTD-OriginStamp: o/bIkQeVaBme+Zo4dBx9J3z9cjG/B/JJiy/kR0G/3M/8v1bUTvZKcikMOx3gi/KN X-Originating-IP: [67.150.55.134] Mime-Version: 1.0 From: "stillllscary@netzero.net" Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2007 16:27:12 GMT To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Trouble Thinking of Loops Beyond the Initial Loop X-Mailer: Webmail Version 4.0 Message-Id: <20070611.092712.28951.0@webmail18.lax.untd.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative;boundary="--__JWM__J4679.2a5bS.080fM" X-ContentStamp: 1:1:2711818125 X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 10.131.27.158|webmail18.lax.untd.com|webmail18.lax.untd.com|stillllscary@netzero.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71002 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2007 16:28:44 +0000 (UTC) ----__JWM__J4679.2a5bS.080fM Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain i would recommend sensory deprivation in conjunction with a strict regim= en of bong inhalation...if that doesnt help rinse and repeat... water flowing under rock, scary. ----__JWM__J4679.2a5bS.080fM Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/html
i would recommend sensory deprivation in conjunction with a str= ict regimen of bong inhalation...if that doesnt help rinse and repeat...=

water flowing under rock,   scary.
----__JWM__J4679.2a5bS.080fM-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 11 19:08:25 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 760503BF2D; Mon, 11 Jun 2007 19:08:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com In-Reply-To: <005c01c7ac41$e2fef580$4101a8c0@mini> References: <221392.56455.qm@web38406.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <005c01c7ac41$e2fef580$4101a8c0@mini> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <85B6B74E-9976-4FFB-94AE-B643743C7F61@zerocrossing.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Mark Sottilaro Subject: Re: Trouble Thinking of Loops Beyond the Initial Loop Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2007 12:07:51 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71003 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2007 19:08:25 +0000 (UTC) Find a cool movie (almost any will do, and try to perform a soundtrack too it. (Mute it's sound) Nice way to force yourself to move along... Mark On Jun 11, 2007, at 9:02 AM, Claude Voit wrote: > if the creative juice doesnt flow the way you usually try to do it > change the way > > do not start with guitar in hand but conceptualise the different > parts before by describing them on paper > part A :smooth, in B major (emphasis on add9th), counterpoint on > half notes write a poem for A etc.... > part B: tense, in another key contrast)? , ostinato in 16th, high > and shouted melody write an answer/reaction to this poem... > > > etc. > > but in any case stay with what you have planned do _NOT_ endlessly > Noodle untill ure tired > > > > Claude > > > Elmer Fuddski wrote: >> Total Block! Total Block! (from House of 1000 Corpses). >> >> I keep coming up with pretty good/interesting loops (guitar and >> drum backing) with my RC-50. But, I can't seem to develop a >> corresponding "verse" to the initial loop structure (following a >> somewhat standard song structure). >> >> Any ideas to help the creative juices flowing from this esteemed >> group of musucians? >> >> Thanks in advance, >> >> Jake >> >> >> >> >> --------------------------------- >> We won't tell. Get more on shows you hate to love >> (and love to hate): Yahoo! TV's Guilty Pleasures list. > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 11 21:11:47 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 738393BF01; Mon, 11 Jun 2007 21:11:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: short review: Korg KP3 Kaoss Pad Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2007 23:12:01 +0200 Organization: Moinlabs Message-ID: <000101c7ac6d$276917c0$1001a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: AcesbSckBikXJJRgT2mdvRJXXCd+EQ== X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-RZG-AUTH: lUESeo99iNzPL8kuBgLYdKEqUywq9cxqeRA+BtFcSCD5deQ7OId8ET1VDag= X-RZG-CLASS-ID: mo07 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71004 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2007 21:11:47 +0000 (UTC) By the end of the 90ies, Korg created a revolution on the market for electronic audio effects. Their KP1 didn't have the astonishing pitch shifters or reverbs of some high-class effects, nor did it offer never-seen-before modularity and huge number of parameters like the well-known competitors. They also didn't knock us out with a price tag in the $100 region for a 24/96 device, nor did they include state of the art converters or whatnot. You got some 60 effects presets, each of them had two parameters which could be modified. No possibility to save user presets, and the sound quality was rather poor. It did however have a different UI than all of the TCs or Eventides or Lexicons. The Kaoss Pad's signature X-Y pad which blinked in red when you moved your finger on it. The package was rounded off with a mic and turntable in, and with its tabletop package design, it really served the plug'n'play market, especially for DJs (and their wannabe brethren). Great examples of its use include Radiohead's live renditions of "Everything in its right place", and I seem to remember one list member here had four of these in his setup. Some years later, Korg released the followup KP2, which had two sample lots which could be used independently to the effects engine, and some of the effects were now MIDI synced. And the audio quality was vastly improved. Back in the day, I got myself a KP1, and it can be heard all over the early Eclectic Blah work, as well as on the "Dem Andenken eines Engels" Album (on "Epliogue", I play a duet with my guitar and the KP1s sample slot operated with my toes). The KP2 had its debut on the "Neinnein auf dem kleinen Weg" album (owners of that album might check out the tracks "A Hard Man's Cut" and "Massive Retaliation"). I did back then decide to keep the KP1, simply because some of its effect had such a "vintage digital" feel to them the KP2 simply couldn't (or didn't want to) reach. Last year, the KP3 was released, and this time, the KP2 wasn't discontinued. I had to get one sooner or later. The most important changes: four independent sample slots (each a maximum of 16 beats at 74bpm long), where you can select each 2-beat-slice independently. A resample function. A SD card slot for storing the samples, plus USB connectivity. Improved configurability for using the KP3 as a MIDI controller. About all effects are now MIDI-synced. And finally, it looks much cooler than before, not only because of the all-black housing, but also because of the improved touchpad (which now displays funny running patterns when not in use) and three-color LEDs on the sample buttons. On to a first test drive (just got it today). I put it at the end of my microrig (guitar->Zoom G2.1u->Boss DD20). I'd call the effect quality "sufficient for the application". As expected, the ultra-dirty filter and distortion effects from the KP1 haven't returned, but the list of effects is complemented by some nice strange panning-delay-formant-filters, interesting lo-fi stuff and combinations. As with the KP2, you get some stupid synth voices and a few basic drum patterns. And now you have the possibility to record finger movements on the pad and then play them back. Another cool new functionality is that when you remove your fingers from the pad, the effect in action is not just turned off, it is faded out in a cool delay fashion. The funny part, however, and the part where the biggest change has happened, is the sampling functionality. It has turned the Kaoss pad into a four-track phrase sampler with effects and resample functionality. As to the important question "Is it a looper"? According to the LD definition, "a Real-Time Looper must be able to sample audio and loop it on the fly, and allow the user to sample new material while the current loop is playing". This can be done. First you have to set your bpm rate (everything is bpm-based here, and I guess it will help if you use a looper which sends a MIDI clock). Then you hit "Sample" and set your sample length as 2, 4, 8 or 16 beats (below 73 bpm, only 8 beats, below 36 bpm, only 4 beats). Hit one of the four sample buttons, and the thing starts recording from the input (line or mic). After the preset beat length has passed, it will switch to loop playback, which can be stopped and re-engaged by pressing the sample button again. If you hit the sample button again before the loop has finished recording, the sample is automatically saved as a one-shot sample. You can move into a non-destructive sample edit mode, where you can move the starting point by multiples of 1/32nd of a beat (or 1/128th in musical notation) for +/-1 beat. And you can select which of the total of eight slices of the sample you want to play and which you don't want to. Unfortunately, moving into edit mode will stop all other samples from playback as well as the effects engine. There is a resample mode, where the sampler takes the output of the KP3 as its input - and this allows for true overdubbing. Changing the bpm setting will pitch the samples already in memory - the bpm range goes from 20 to 300, btw. So how does it work as part of a looping setup? The answer: it depends on what you already have and what you want to do. In my setup (or in any setup with a simple one-track looper), the possibility of having four independent tracks to which I can copy loops which I record in the DD20 is awesome...plus the feature of artifact-free varispeeding. Add to that the choice of performance-oriented effects and the cool looks, and throw in the option to use prerecorded sample loops (e.g. to give you some drum grooves from which you can select specific slices), and you really got a thing here to turn your medidative small guitar looping setup into some electronic dance-infected thing - or to extend your one-person-ensemble setup hindered by the restrictions of the one-track looper into a four-piece combo. With a price tag between the RC50 and the EH 2880, you get less looping than with those - but far more effects and show! Rainer From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 12 00:49:44 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E40643BF1B; Tue, 12 Jun 2007 00:49:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=A3TOatf8u+0PH2G2K0NC0GmBKn8EVF5zuCwQZnmupUyxOerBOSQ7SBQd9tiSb7MQVpF+kHi6/nVoKEEPYUFQeio1Q6vT2tTzKtKojnalss8bFxkV/VzD2WX2X2DuCew3BD8lmWfKwsCnSPg2UvHhY8vKa2ATtF0AkHridT11fwk= ; Message-ID: <20070612004943.67748.qmail@web32702.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: ..RWQ.IVM1ljzPy6CsSV4BiBIZqG8zJaRbZI_FmPqb0Pl8GSrq30gM4zA8ZMZSfFEWkO_01_rpGRViOVdmIBpGyjZAmXqb8hhydXtCJzijdqGW7svcRCqVAu._kt6Q-- Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2007 17:49:43 -0700 (PDT) From: bill bigrig Subject: Re: OT: thoughts on music and cooking To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <5C946671-D01B-4969-AD30-9133C2550235@infinivert.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71005 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2007 00:49:44 +0000 (UTC) howdy, so do i, but you can't get it here. rig --- Josh Carroll wrote: > Hornsby's is pretty good, but I prefer Woodchuck. > > --Josh > > > On Jun 10, 2007, at 4:28 PM, bill bigrig wrote: > > > Howdy, > > > > I recommend hornsby's hard cider. > > Rig > > > > > > --- "L.A. 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Check out fun summer activities for kids. http://search.yahoo.com/search?fr=oni_on_mail&p=summer+activities+for+kids&cs=bz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 12 01:09:32 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5D6403BF1B; Tue, 12 Jun 2007 01:09:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=2nZRaG0IkXJlCmHUePye1WFDzk+B9M0gQ2iGISVEJHMMz2lqc9UFPxMn91MRMdvjDah+1XtHkr0TfUWTZ74GF/ocxVJ0BZGitUrXAvWbeynqlJjP3BIzZJKjJYo9fEaSTuBg/AzZW2skvHIWbydJEUXwUfDPrrBNmAcy84RZGtc=; X-YMail-OSG: In6zSxgVM1nPDxZ_JVQeRx22aQjgy6vaWyXrFpmFqwP63DoEMifpv9AQ_andz12KkAtJ..mryRIxmdSxn3unBbYYylkecTAMJAQfLJCbSMATJT1rKtY- Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2007 18:09:29 -0700 (PDT) From: bill bigrig Subject: Re: Headset mic To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <058001c7a961$b9c58540$6401a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <452140.1570.qm@web32701.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71006 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2007 01:09:32 +0000 (UTC) Howdy, The first band i worked in bought an sm-10 for the drummer. STAY AWAY!!! all mids, no treble or bass. Rig --- Krispen Hartung wrote: > And how does it compare to the Sure? > > http://www.shure.com/ProAudio/Products/WiredMicrophones/us_pro_SM10A-CN_content > > I am thinking of getting this one, because it has > been compared with the > SM58, which I'm fond of. > > Kris > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Qua Veda" > To: > Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2007 5:21 PM > Subject: Headset mic > > > > Hi Stefan, > > You mentioned you are using an AudioTechnica > headset mic. Sounds like a > > very convenient mic that frees up your hands to > operate faders, play > > instruments etc. > > > > Can you elaborate on your use of the mic? Model # > of the mic, how it > > sounds compared to other popular vocal mics, > feedback rejection etc ? > > > > Thanks > > -Qua > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Stefan Tiedje > [mailto:Stefan-Tiedje@addcom.de] > > Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2007 2:37 PM > > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > Subject: Re: POST YOUR SETUP > > > > Michael Peters schrieb: > >> :-) very simple. I've grown too old to schlepp > tons of gear. > > > > Yeah, mine fits into a small rucksack: 12" > Powerbook running Max/MSP, Esi > > Quatafire 610, up to three fader boxes (Fostex > MixTAB, Doepfer PocketFader > > and PocketDial), Yamaha CBX K1 mini keyboard - all > fed by an AudioTechnica > > headset, eventually some additional Mics. For > "bigger" > > sets I can throw in a Peavey RQ 200 Mixer (the > smallest mixer I know with > > 16 > > inputs, 6 of them mic ins...) > > > > Sound sources include, beside my voice, plastic > water bottles and Tibetan > > bowls... > > > > Stefan > > > > -- > > Stefan Tiedje------------x------- > > --_____-----------|-------------- > > --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()------- > > -- _|_)----|-----()-------------- > > ----------()--------www.ccmix.com > > > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Need a vacation? Get great deals to amazing places on Yahoo! Travel. http://travel.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 12 01:13:42 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 932503BF2A; Tue, 12 Jun 2007 01:13:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=jsmSDvXZV0Fmy55/qKF4z6Zg0v2FBN5NBQx2lkBG+PvPfI9ZraDeOFGEkpnIRUk9PLLEpapNqIGbpdO1hwCYrLOtMSWyBy0qr2OXP1uQ6qn+zmtvx6vBORHhxOoLIwGx3Oe4pjYOD/IvxJIGP3u4rcQMQsM3GyuqSs6su9HWs7A=; X-YMail-OSG: TLp6siIVM1lXER5Ox3O3aS6psOYdn9SF4G8KcDOWwjro02NxpqtJaLktDKDS.vzPcC.caGmWlAeN2Wiwkd2imfNO1.euFbGKeuB74rVyiO8Y09MT30Cv1g7eIlWY5g-- Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2007 18:13:40 -0700 (PDT) From: bill bigrig Subject: Re: OT: cassette -> mp3 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <895990.80683.qm@web32715.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71007 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2007 01:13:42 +0000 (UTC) Howdy, I have been through this. STRONGLY recommend, an EQ, light compresion/limiting, and A BBE MAIMIZER MODEL 362NR!!! Removes hiss, shines up cassetteslike you wouldn't believe. No longer made but cheap on e-bay. you won't regret it. rig --- Michael Billow wrote: > I did the same thing a couple years ago - went > through all my cassettes and > reel to reels and digitized the recordings. It was > not an easy project, > after I digitized them I "cleaned up" most of them > using some audio cleaning > software which I was happy with. > The process was time consuming but its a simple > setup: Just ran the line out > from my cassette deck into the line in of my sound > card. I used "Sound > Forge" to digitize, but any standard Digital Audio > software will do. > And don't despair, it does come to an end. > > On 6/7/07, ditch wrestler > wrote: > > > > I've spent the last 4 and a bit months loading my > cd's into itunes. And > > it's now time to tackle the two medium-sized boxes > of cassettes in my > > closet... > > > > I would like to keep this as stone-simple as > possible as I ain't no > > techno-weenie. But I know there's more than just > a few techno-weenies here, > > so that's way I'm asking... > > > > Can I do this with just an rca to 1/8" male trs > cable to run my cassette > > deck into my soundcard, xp, and itunes? > > > > My machine is a hamster-driven P3 and I'm hoping > to avoid anything that a) > > costs money, b) will slow down my already slow > computer, and c) not turn > > this into a labour-intensive, "hovering over my > computer for the entire > > length of the cassette" event. > > > > Yeah, not asking for too much, am I? ;-) > > > > I know already once I upload the cassette, that > I'm going to have to go > > back and put markers into to seperate the songs so > this isn't going to be > > like itunes where I can just toss in the cd and > walk away. > > > > And if I just had a handful of cassettes, I'd find > some local studio and > > pay them to do it for me but I figure I've got at > least 200 cassettes of > > stuff that's either oop, bootlegs, really obscure, > etc. that can't be found > > on cd... > > > > Sorry for the interuption of the regularly > schedule LD content. Feel free > > to contact me off-line. Thanks in advance. > > > > > > ditchwrestler (aka ted). > > > > > > > > "Indeed, naturally I think that a film should have > a beginning, middle, > > and an end — but not necessarily in that order." > Jean Luc Goddard > > > > ------------------------------ > > Take the Internet to Go: Yahoo!Go puts the > Internet in your > pocket:mail, > news, photos & more. > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Pinpoint customers who are looking for what you sell. http://searchmarketing.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 12 01:49:32 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0F2F23BF29; Tue, 12 Jun 2007 01:49:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <200706120149.l5C1nR6s071070@mail.cruzio.com> Reply-To: From: "William Walker" To: Subject: re:Trouble Thinking of Loops Beyond the Initial Loop Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2007 18:49:31 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0057_01C7AC59.3F7B4AE0" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Thread-Index: Acesk+ujpiRt61YOTvS64z0KBp/TaQ== X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.6 required=1.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,AWL,HTML_MESSAGE, MISSING_MID autolearn=disabled version=3.2.0 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.0 (2007-05-01) on mail.cruzio.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71008 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2007 01:49:32 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0057_01C7AC59.3F7B4AE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dear Elmer First of all, I would stop hunting Wabbits huhuhuhuhuhuhuh. But seriously, one thing I like about looping is that you don't have to conform to a traditional method of composition such as a verse chorus verse chorus bridge structure. You could for instance create one loop as a percussive beat box style short loop, followed by a simple one or two note drone loop, followed by a loop of melodic content, and play different chord progressions in real time against your melodies, or just have your third loop as a short loop that you can record and erase on the fly to create harmonic or melodic motion. I sometimes create a rhythmic riff that is harmonically neutral in that it has no major or minor thirds, which gives me more flexibility to modulate keys on top of it. Example, if I loop a riff using an E an B and a F# (root, 5th,9th) those three notes are found in the keys of E major (I), D major (II), G major (VI),A major (V), B Major (IV), and the key of E harmonic minor to name the most obvious and I can use the chords and notes from any of those keys as harmonic are melodic fodder over that three not riff. Also remember that music traditions such as Indian and Balinese traditional music are all about melody and rhythm and thinking in that direction can free you from always taking the western approach of starting with the chord progression. Git er done Bill ------=_NextPart_000_0057_01C7AC59.3F7B4AE0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Dear Elmer

First of all, I would stop hunting Wabbits = huhuhuhuhuhuhuh. But seriously, one thing I like about looping is that you don’t = have to conform to a traditional method of composition such as a verse chorus = verse chorus bridge structure. You could for instance create one loop as a = percussive beat box style short loop, followed by a simple one or two note drone = loop, followed by a loop of melodic content, and play different chord = progressions in real time against your melodies, or just have your third loop as a short = loop that you can record and erase on the fly to create harmonic or melodic = motion. I sometimes create a rhythmic riff that is harmonically neutral in that it = has no major or minor thirds, which gives me more flexibility to modulate keys = on top of it. Example, if I loop a riff using an E an B and a F# (root, = 5^th,9^th) those three notes are found in the keys of E major (I), D major (II), G = major (VI),A major (V), B Major (IV), and the key of E harmonic minor to name = the most obvious and I can use the chords and notes from any of those keys = as harmonic are melodic fodder over that three not riff. Also remember that = music traditions such as Indian and Balinese traditional music are all about = melody and rhythm and thinking in that direction can free you from always = taking the western approach of starting with the chord = progression.

Git er done

Bill

------=_NextPart_000_0057_01C7AC59.3F7B4AE0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 12 03:07:18 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B1DA33BF19; Tue, 12 Jun 2007 03:07:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <099301c7ac9e$c748dd80$6401a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <200706112313.l5BNDeL6091364@mail.cruzio.com> Subject: Re: Resetting the Behringer FCB Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2007 21:07:13 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0990_01C7AC6C.7B8F1AD0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71009 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2007 03:07:18 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0990_01C7AC6C.7B8F1AD0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks, Bill. I have a problem with my controller pedal B. For some = reason, it doesn't start kicking in (incrementing values above 0) until = it is pressed about 25%. It's a real pain in the ass with my max/msp = system. Pedal A is fine. I even calibrated the pedals..no effect. Any = clue why this would occur? You think the pedal is defective? Kris ----- Original Message -----=20 I don't think it makes any difference for your application, though I = believe the original factory setting is for the V-amp. In any case, = factory rest for the FCB101 is:=20 Press & hold footswitches "1" & "6" for at least 3 seconds during = power on. The display will start to count down from 9 to 0. Newer = versions also refer to manual. This procedure overwrites all user edited = presets and replaces them with the original factory settings. Shazam Bill =20 =20 -----Original Message----- From: Krispen Hartung [mailto:khartung@cableone.net]=20 Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2007 10:39 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Resetting the Behringer FCB =20 I need to reset my FCB. Anyone know what different settings you get = between=20 the three types of reset configuration shown in the manual? (page 12) = All I=20 need is program changes and both express pedals activated. =20 1 + 6 V-AMP family products 1 + 7 BEHRINGER guitar amps 1 + 8 BASS V-AMP product range =20 Kris ------=_NextPart_000_0990_01C7AC6C.7B8F1AD0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Thanks, Bill. I have a problem with my = controller=20 pedal B. For some reason, it doesn't start kicking in = (incrementing values=20 above 0) until it is pressed about 25%. It's a real pain in the ass with = my=20 max/msp system. Pedal A is fine. I even calibrated the pedals..no = effect. Any=20 clue why this would occur? You think the pedal is=20 defective?

Kris

----- Original Message -----

I don't think it makes any difference for = your=20 application, though I believe the original factory setting is for the = V-amp.=20 In any case, factory rest for the FCB101 is: =

Press = & hold=20 footswitches "1" & "6" for at least 3 seconds during power on. The = display=20 will start to count down from 9 to 0. Newer versions also refer to = manual.=20 This procedure overwrites all user edited presets and replaces them = with the=20 original factory settings.

Shazam

Bill

-----Original Message-----
From: Krispen = Hartung=20 [mailto:khartung@cableone.net]
Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2007 10:39 = AM
To:=20 Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subje= ct:=20 Resetting the Behringer FCB

I need to reset my FCB. Anyone know what = different=20 settings you get between

the three types of reset configuration shown = in the=20 manual? (page 12) All I

need is program changes and both express = pedals=20 activated.

1 + 6 V-AMP family=20 products

1 + 7 BEHRINGER guitar=20 amps

1 + 8 BASS V-AMP product=20 range

Kris
------=_NextPart_000_0990_01C7AC6C.7B8F1AD0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 12 03:10:42 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A67C83BF27; Tue, 12 Jun 2007 03:10:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <099a01c7ac9f$41fcc2d0$6401a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <452140.1570.qm@web32701.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Headset mic Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2007 21:10:39 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Resent-Message-ID: <6PbbtC.A.3nD.y6gbGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71010 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2007 03:10:42 +0000 (UTC) Wow...some negative comments on this setup from Rick and Bill. Nothing that some decent EQ can't fix. The specs don't look that bad. I plan to get one anyway. I've used them before, with decent results. I'm just using it for experimental vocal processing into my laptop and max/msp....nothing remotely close to vocal looping or typical rock/pop vocals. I think it will be fine, really. All mids, no treble or bass? Come on....no treble or no bass? Is this a generalization? Kris > Howdy, > > The first band i worked in bought an sm-10 for the > drummer. STAY AWAY!!! all mids, no treble or bass. > Rig > > > --- Krispen Hartung wrote: > >> And how does it compare to the Sure? >> >> > http://www.shure.com/ProAudio/Products/WiredMicrophones/us_pro_SM10A-CN_content >> >> I am thinking of getting this one, because it has >> been compared with the >> SM58, which I'm fond of. >> >> Kris >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Qua Veda" >> To: >> Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2007 5:21 PM >> Subject: Headset mic >> >> >> > Hi Stefan, >> > You mentioned you are using an AudioTechnica >> headset mic. Sounds like a >> > very convenient mic that frees up your hands to >> operate faders, play >> > instruments etc. >> > >> > Can you elaborate on your use of the mic? Model # >> of the mic, how it >> > sounds compared to other popular vocal mics, >> feedback rejection etc ? >> > >> > Thanks >> > -Qua >> > >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: Stefan Tiedje >> [mailto:Stefan-Tiedje@addcom.de] >> > Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2007 2:37 PM >> > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >> > Subject: Re: POST YOUR SETUP >> > >> > Michael Peters schrieb: >> >> :-) very simple. I've grown too old to schlepp >> tons of gear. >> > >> > Yeah, mine fits into a small rucksack: 12" >> Powerbook running Max/MSP, Esi >> > Quatafire 610, up to three fader boxes (Fostex >> MixTAB, Doepfer PocketFader >> > and PocketDial), Yamaha CBX K1 mini keyboard - all >> fed by an AudioTechnica >> > headset, eventually some additional Mics. For >> "bigger" >> > sets I can throw in a Peavey RQ 200 Mixer (the >> smallest mixer I know with >> > 16 >> > inputs, 6 of them mic ins...) >> > >> > Sound sources include, beside my voice, plastic >> water bottles and Tibetan >> > bowls... >> > >> > Stefan >> > >> > -- >> > Stefan Tiedje------------x------- >> > --_____-----------|-------------- >> > --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()------- >> > -- _|_)----|-----()-------------- >> > ----------()--------www.ccmix.com >> > >> > >> > >> >> >> > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > Need a vacation? Get great deals > to amazing places on Yahoo! Travel. > http://travel.yahoo.com/ > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 12 03:17:16 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5D7733BF32; Tue, 12 Jun 2007 03:17:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-YMail-OSG: K89LHSAVM1meYAk68_xf2R2nEqYIG6TuUEgnfVH0hldBDmEN Message-ID: <000201c7aca0$272528c0$4101a8c0@MICHAELPLISHKA> From: "Michael Plishka" To: References: <452140.1570.qm@web32701.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <099a01c7ac9f$41fcc2d0$6401a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> Subject: EDP question:Redo Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2007 22:17:02 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Resent-Message-ID: <1kWzsD.A.ZWE.8AhbGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71011 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2007 03:17:16 +0000 (UTC) IS there any way to bring back a loop that's undone without using MIDI? THanks! Plish From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 12 03:26:05 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2C9713BF2A; Tue, 12 Jun 2007 03:26:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <009001c7aca1$6d954640$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "RICK WALKER" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: Re: Trouble Thinking of Loops Beyond the Initial Loop Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2007 20:26:12 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.7 required=1.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,AWL,FAKE_REPLY_C, STOX_REPLY_TYPE,TVD_RCVD_SINGLE autolearn=disabled version=3.2.0 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.0 (2007-05-01) on mail.cruzio.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71012 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2007 03:26:05 +0000 (UTC) Jake asked: "I keep coming up with pretty good/interesting loops (guitar and drum backing) with my RC-50. But, I can't seem to develop a corresponding "verse" to the initial loop structure (following a somewhat standard song structure).Any ideas to help the creative juices flowing from this esteemed group of musicians?" Human beings process information through their senses which,essentially, just process differences or changes in the environment. Our senses pick up contrast in light, color, sound, pressure, smell, etc. We are pattern oriented so making simple contrasting changes in the form of a pattern can lead to really effective musical sections of a tune. Much can be accomplished in composition and arrangement by looking at very simple form structures. As an example: >From West African music we get the notion of CALL and RESPONCE try this technique with a song by: Play a measure A (CALL) Play a second measure that contrasts it either rhythymically, harmonically or timbrally B (RESPONSE) repeat A (CALL) Now play a variation of B, again, making the variation distinct either rhythmically, harmonically or timbrally C (2nd RESPONSE) Now play with the structure of these three measures ABAC ABCB etc. or string them together and very their forms in groups of four to make a meta-form AAAB = a AAAC = b AABC = c now play abac...............abcb.........................you get the idea. ************************ sometimes you can merely rearrange the timbre or instrumentation of a piece of music to get interesting simple results: Have the rhythm of the bass guitar and the rhythm of the drums switch positions and take on each other's roles from section to section. Many, many electronic dance tunes ONLY switch timbres during their different sections; completely eschewing harmonic changes or key changes. ************************ Harmonically, try modulating up or down with a groove you are using to create a new section or, Modally, base the next section by using one of the notes that isn't the tonic or 5th from the first section as the new 'tonic' of the next section but confine yourself to using only the notes in the key of the first section. Keep playing this game until you come up with results you like. It's amazing how little you can vary from one section of a composition to another as long as you self conciously create strong contrasts in any category of rhythm, harmony, timbre, dynamics or even density of note choices. Lastly, if you search these words BRIAN ENO OBLIQUE STRATEGIES at www.google.com They'll lead you to a website that gives you the ability to print out a series of cards that you can print out called OBLIQUE STRATEGY CARDS. Invented by the amazing multi-media artist, producer, BRIAN ENO, their whole purpose is to stimulate creativity when you are on the horns of a dilemma or just not feeling like you are creating interesting choices. You shuffle the deck, pick a card and force yourself to do whatever the card does. This is a brilliant strategy for stimulating new creativity when you are stuck. Good luck and document what works for you. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 12 03:42:23 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5B0933BF34; Tue, 12 Jun 2007 03:42:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <466E1617.9040205@mhorse.com> Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2007 22:42:15 -0500 From: Daryl Shawn User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.12 (Windows/20070509) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Back from europe/looping inspirations References: <200705161749250.SM06916@quahome> In-Reply-To: <200705161749250.SM06916@quahome> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71013 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2007 03:42:23 +0000 (UTC) To my great disappointment, in my time in London and Paris I didn't get to hook up with any of the people who kindly emailed me. I do regret that and really need to make a bigger effort next trip (that darn "romance" thing! always getting in the way!). Just wanted to say thanks to all who got in touch. I wanted to put forth how inspiring it was to take in a lot of non-musical artwork. London and Paris both have such amazing museums (in London, many of them being free to the public), full of works that have moved people for generations. For those who are feeling stuck musically, as I've been reading in some of the posts as I catch up, I recommend taking in other forms for awhile and using that as source material, rather than thinking of a particular musical thing to aim for. I loved the classical sculpture in the Louvre, and all the predictable Impressionists, and Picasso, but I found Dali (there's a dedicated museum in London) to be maybe the most applicable for improvised looping. Those surreal landscapes seemed like visual representations of the weird alternate universes that looping can create. I felt very much moved to try to "describe" those scenes musically. Also, welcome back, Carla! I remember you rocking a Steinberger and Digitech Space Station back at the first Loopfest, and wondered if you still were looping. Finally, just wanted to add my voice to the chorus of cooks here. Music is what I "do", I always say, but cooking is my hobby. I have all kinds of salsa recipes, but the best tip I can give (and I DO live in Mexico...) is to use Roma tomatoes, and to roast them until the skin blackens and peels, along with the jalapeno chiles if you're using them. Daryl Shawn www.swanwelder.com www.chinapaintingmusic.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 12 04:17:37 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9235C3BF2A; Tue, 12 Jun 2007 04:17:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: <061120071551.9628.466D6F730006E5FD0000259C2216551406020A050C07080C0B0A079D00070B0703@comcast.net> References: <061120071551.9628.466D6F730006E5FD0000259C2216551406020A050C07080C0B0A079D00070B0703@comcast.net> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-3--696293207 Message-Id: <30B5CF7A-9A5C-4F80-AAB7-99A401228B59@mac.com> From: Teddy Subject: Re: I now "get" the RC-50. Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2007 00:17:33 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAA== X-Brightmail-scanned: yes Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71014 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2007 04:17:37 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-3--696293207 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed so... why and how did the stutter disappear? are you saying that by using the RC-50 as a master device for something else that loses the stutter? I love my RC-50, by the way. I have no idea what was even wrong with it, but then again I always use it to make in time loops. I think that if you were using it to make loops with no click track it might not be the optimal device. teddy On Jun 11, 2007, at 11:51 AM, midifriedchicken@comcast.net wrote: > I was going to sell this thing. But! Now I've figured out a way to > use this thing in a really cool way. > The little stutter going from "record" to "play" always bugged the > shit out of me. So, a few friends came over to play this weekend > and we connected a Yamaha DD55 to the RC-50. The RC-50 was the > master. This seems to be the only way to use sync with the RC-50. > No matter, as it works great like this. The DD55 (a hugely under- > appreciated device) syncs to the RC-50's tempo. No more stutter as > the loops are perfectly set. > > Now the DD55 with somewhat decent sounds can played by a drummer or > percussionest with a basic click track to guide them and the loops > on the RC-50 never drift like with a real drum set. > > The click track can be on the DD55 and be a basic hihat, or conga. > Or it can be on the RC-50. Either way, it can still very musical. > This weekend we are going to experiment with different wav files > imported into the RC 50 as rhythm guides. Also, we setup the DD55 > to trigger BFD which sounds as good as any drum set. > > This could be the we gig from now on. Fewer mouths to feed, smaller > stages are now available and setup is easy and quick. > > The only concern is hearing the initial guides. So monitoring is > key. So far it seem very doable. We have a gig in few weeks that we > are going to do this way. Ill let you guys know how it went. > > MFC --Apple-Mail-3--696293207 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 so... why and how did the = stutter disappear?

are you saying that by = using the RC-50 as a master device for something else that loses the = stutter?

I = love my RC-50, by the way. I have no idea what was even wrong with it, = but then again I always use it to make in time loops. I think that if = you were using it to make loops with no click track it might not be the = optimal device.

teddy

On Jun 11, 2007, at = 11:51 AM, midifriedchicken@comcast.net<= /A> wrote:

I was going to sell this thing. But! Now I've = figured out a way to use this thing in a really cool way.
=
The little stutter going from "record" to "play" always bugged the = shit out of me. So, a few friends came over to play this weekend and we = connected a Yamaha DD55 to the RC-50. The RC-50 was the master. This = seems to be the only way to use sync with the RC-50. No matter, as it = works great like this. The DD55 (a hugely under-appreciated device) = syncs to the RC-50's tempo. No more stutter as the loops are perfectly = set.

=A0

Now the DD55 with somewhat decent sounds = can played by a drummer or percussionest with a basic click track to = guide them and the loops on the RC-50 never drift like with a real drum = set.

=A0

The click track can be on the DD55 and be = a basic hihat, or conga. Or it can be on the RC-50. Either way, it=A0can = still very musical. This weekend we are going to experiment with = different wav files imported into the RC 50 as rhythm guides. Also, we = setup the DD55 to trigger BFD which sounds as good as any drum = set.=A0

=A0

This could be the we gig from now on. = Fewer mouths to feed, smaller stages are now available and setup is easy = and quick.

=A0

The only concern is hearing the = initial guides. So monitoring is key. So far it seem very doable. We = have a gig in few weeks that we are going to do this way. Ill let you = guys know how it went.

=A0
=
MFC

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= --Apple-Mail-3--696293207-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 12 05:31:20 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1DB273BF29; Tue, 12 Jun 2007 05:31:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <200706120530.l5C5UMZ3079911@mail.cruzio.com> Reply-To: From: "William Walker" To: Subject: RE: Resetting the Behringer FCB Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2007 22:30:25 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0019_01C7AC78.1B78E7F0" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Thread-Index: AcessSSzsDIex7woSqiZQCJf4eJwlgAAGPvQ In-Reply-To: <099301c7ac9e$c748dd80$6401a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.6 required=1.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,AWL,HTML_MESSAGE, MISSING_MID autolearn=disabled version=3.2.0 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.0 (2007-05-01) on mail.cruzio.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71015 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2007 05:31:20 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0019_01C7AC78.1B78E7F0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Have you tried calibrating the pedals while putting something underneath the pedal in both the toe and heal down position. I used a small flat block of wood, just enough to raise the pedal at either end so the pedal is prohibited from making its full travel. this will narrow the pedal's throw range and might cure your problem. What are you controlling with it, is it the same behavior no matter what or could it be a calibration issue in your software? I think that these pedals just start to give out after a while, I've got a couple of my pedal switches that are starting to feel and act gimpy. Fortunately they aren't that expensive. Bill _____ From: Krispen Hartung [mailto:khartung@cableone.net] Sent: Monday, June 11, 2007 8:07 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Resetting the Behringer FCB Thanks, Bill. I have a problem with my controller pedal B. For some reason, it doesn't start kicking in (incrementing values above 0) until it is pressed about 25%. It's a real pain in the ass with my max/msp system. Pedal A is fine. I even calibrated the pedals..no effect. Any clue why this would occur? You think the pedal is defective? Kris ----- Original Message ----- I don't think it makes any difference for your application, though I believe the original factory setting is for the V-amp. In any case, factory rest for the FCB101 is: Press & hold footswitches "1" & "6" for at least 3 seconds during power on. The display will start to count down from 9 to 0. Newer versions also refer to manual. This procedure overwrites all user edited presets and replaces them with the original factory settings. Shazam Bill -----Original Message----- From: Krispen Hartung [mailto:khartung@cableone.net] Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2007 10:39 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Resetting the Behringer FCB I need to reset my FCB. Anyone know what different settings you get between the three types of reset configuration shown in the manual? (page 12) All I need is program changes and both express pedals activated. 1 + 6 V-AMP family products 1 + 7 BEHRINGER guitar amps 1 + 8 BASS V-AMP product range Kris ------=_NextPart_000_0019_01C7AC78.1B78E7F0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Have you tried calibrating the = pedals while putting something underneath the pedal in both the toe and heal = down position. I used a small flat block of wood, just enough to raise the pedal = at either end so the pedal is prohibited from making its full travel. this = will narrow the pedal’s throw range and might cure your problem. What are you controlling with it, is it the same behavior no matter what or = could it be a calibration issue in your software? I think that these pedals just start = to give out after a while, I’ve got a couple of my pedal switches = that are starting to feel and act gimpy. Fortunately they aren’t that = expensive.

Bill

From: = Krispen Hartung [mailto:khartung@cableone.net]
Sent: Monday, June 11, = 2007 8:07 PM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Re: Resetting = the Behringer FCB

Thanks, Bill. I have a problem with my controller = pedal B. For some reason, it doesn't start kicking in (incrementing values = above 0) until it is pressed about 25%. It's a real pain in the ass with my = max/msp system. Pedal A is fine. I even calibrated the pedals..no effect. Any = clue why this would occur? You think the pedal is = defective?

Kris

----- Original Message ----- =

I don't think it makes any difference for your application, = though I believe the original factory setting is for the V-amp. In any case, = factory rest for the FCB101 is:

Press & hold footswitches "1" & "6" for at least 3 seconds during power = on. The display will start to count down from 9 to 0. Newer versions also refer = to manual. This procedure overwrites all user edited presets and replaces = them with the original factory settings.

Shazam

Bill

-----Original Message-----
From: Krispen Hartung [mailto:khartung@cableone.net]
Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2007 10:39 AM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Resetting the Behringer FCB

I need to reset my FCB. Anyone know what different settings you = get between

the three types of reset configuration shown in the manual? = (page 12) All I

need is program changes and both express pedals = activated.

1 + 6 V-AMP family products

1 + 7 BEHRINGER guitar amps

1 + 8 BASS V-AMP product range

Kris

------=_NextPart_000_0019_01C7AC78.1B78E7F0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 12 06:45:40 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D77D43BF0D; Tue, 12 Jun 2007 06:45:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.fr; h=Received:X-YMail-OSG:Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=EkrbZAh+7ZkUvzu/o/MQgHNlPpm+WWkvlMrrWdbPOF0qHTkg4+LLT1j+Icr9UvzVdu8S30+L7NUJAuGg2d2eFZ69CJcDPaYzV8Qtwe8Anz2fbyd7uODL/AWY4VzcpV3o16MbxCrEjXkAuMAtbBNgeXtyx5/+g2rKd4bknfida9Y= ; X-YMail-OSG: PvGY8CwVM1nHi6_s3kqgblgp4RCcHeYAyRtUCLMLFHKO8WzegSdZ8xWE0rvgbnZoOBh6f7PBMA-- Message-ID: <004b01c7acbd$468339b0$6402a8c0@PC576340162804> From: "Ben" To: References: <000101c7ac6d$276917c0$1001a8c0@succubus> Subject: Re: short review: Korg KP3 Kaoss Pad Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2007 08:45:32 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71016 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2007 06:45:40 +0000 (UTC) Hi Rainer, Thank you for the review. I'm also investigating about the KP3 features for a while. Unfortunately, it seems you can't use a foot controller to select the memories and to trigger the sampling. There were also sync issues but it seems Korg has adressed these in the last OS. Ben. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Sent: Monday, June 11, 2007 11:12 PM Subject: short review: Korg KP3 Kaoss Pad > By the end of the 90ies, Korg created a revolution on the market for > electronic audio effects. Their KP1 didn't have the astonishing pitch > shifters or reverbs of some high-class effects, nor did it offer > never-seen-before modularity and huge number of parameters like the > well-known competitors. They also didn't knock us out with a price tag in > the $100 region for a 24/96 device, nor did they include state of the art > converters or whatnot. > You got some 60 effects presets, each of them had two parameters which > could > be modified. No possibility to save user presets, and the sound quality > was > rather poor. It did however have a different UI than all of the TCs or > Eventides or Lexicons. The Kaoss Pad's signature X-Y pad which blinked in > red when you moved your finger on it. > The package was rounded off with a mic and turntable in, and with its > tabletop package design, it really served the plug'n'play market, > especially > for DJs (and their wannabe brethren). > > Great examples of its use include Radiohead's live renditions of > "Everything > in its right place", and I seem to remember one list member here had four > of > these in his setup. > > Some years later, Korg released the followup KP2, which had two sample > lots > which could be used independently to the effects engine, and some of the > effects were now MIDI synced. And the audio quality was vastly improved. > > Back in the day, I got myself a KP1, and it can be heard all over the > early > Eclectic Blah work, as well as on the "Dem Andenken eines Engels" Album > (on > "Epliogue", I play a duet with my guitar and the KP1s sample slot operated > with my toes). The KP2 had its debut on the "Neinnein auf dem kleinen Weg" > album (owners of that album might check out the tracks "A Hard Man's Cut" > and "Massive Retaliation"). I did back then decide to keep the KP1, simply > because some of its effect had such a "vintage digital" feel to them the > KP2 > simply couldn't (or didn't want to) reach. > > Last year, the KP3 was released, and this time, the KP2 wasn't > discontinued. > I had to get one sooner or later. > > The most important changes: four independent sample slots (each a maximum > of > 16 beats at 74bpm long), where you can select each 2-beat-slice > independently. A resample function. A SD card slot for storing the > samples, > plus USB connectivity. Improved configurability for using the KP3 as a > MIDI > controller. About all effects are now MIDI-synced. And finally, it looks > much cooler than before, not only because of the all-black housing, but > also > because of the improved touchpad (which now displays funny running > patterns > when not in use) and three-color LEDs on the sample buttons. > > > On to a first test drive (just got it today). I put it at the end of my > microrig (guitar->Zoom G2.1u->Boss DD20). > > I'd call the effect quality "sufficient for the application". As expected, > the ultra-dirty filter and distortion effects from the KP1 haven't > returned, > but the list of effects is complemented by some nice strange > panning-delay-formant-filters, interesting lo-fi stuff and combinations. > As > with the KP2, you get some stupid synth voices and a few basic drum > patterns. > And now you have the possibility to record finger movements on the pad and > then play them back. Another cool new functionality is that when you > remove > your fingers from the pad, the effect in action is not just turned off, it > is faded out in a cool delay fashion. > > The funny part, however, and the part where the biggest change has > happened, > is the sampling functionality. It has turned the Kaoss pad into a > four-track > phrase sampler with effects and resample functionality. As to the > important > question "Is it a looper"? According to the LD definition, "a Real-Time > Looper must be able to sample audio and loop it on the fly, and allow the > user to sample new material while the current loop is playing". This can > be > done. > > First you have to set your bpm rate (everything is bpm-based here, and I > guess it will help if you use a looper which sends a MIDI clock). Then you > hit "Sample" and set your sample length as 2, 4, 8 or 16 beats (below 73 > bpm, only 8 beats, below 36 bpm, only 4 beats). Hit one of the four sample > buttons, and the thing starts recording from the input (line or mic). > After > the preset beat length has passed, it will switch to loop playback, which > can be stopped and re-engaged by pressing the sample button again. If you > hit the sample button again before the loop has finished recording, the > sample is automatically saved as a one-shot sample. > You can move into a non-destructive sample edit mode, where you can move > the > starting point by multiples of 1/32nd of a beat (or 1/128th in musical > notation) for +/-1 beat. And you can select which of the total of eight > slices of the sample you want to play and which you don't want to. > Unfortunately, moving into edit mode will stop all other samples from > playback as well as the effects engine. > There is a resample mode, where the sampler takes the output of the KP3 as > its input - and this allows for true overdubbing. > Changing the bpm setting will pitch the samples already in memory - the > bpm > range goes from 20 to 300, btw. > > > So how does it work as part of a looping setup? The answer: it depends on > what you already have and what you want to do. In my setup (or in any > setup > with a simple one-track looper), the possibility of having four > independent > tracks to which I can copy loops which I record in the DD20 is > awesome...plus the feature of artifact-free varispeeding. Add to that the > choice of performance-oriented effects and the cool looks, and throw in > the > option to use prerecorded sample loops (e.g. to give you some drum grooves > from which you can select specific slices), and you really got a thing > here > to turn your medidative small guitar looping setup into some electronic > dance-infected thing - or to extend your one-person-ensemble setup > hindered > by the restrictions of the one-track looper into a four-piece combo. With > a > price tag between the RC50 and the EH 2880, you get less looping than with > those - but far more effects and show! > > Rainer > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 12 07:05:41 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 728B63BF1E; Tue, 12 Jun 2007 07:05:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Cloudmark-Score: 0.000000 [] Message-ID: <003201c7acc0$1395a120$4001a8c0@mini> From: "CV" To: References: <452140.1570.qm@web32701.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <099a01c7ac9f$41fcc2d0$6401a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> <000201c7aca0$272528c0$4101a8c0@MICHAELPLISHKA> Subject: Re: EDP question:Redo Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2007 09:05:35 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71017 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2007 07:05:41 +0000 (UTC) no redo function but you can alwas overdub and play again Cl02 > IS there any way to bring back a loop that's undone without using MIDI? > > THanks! > > Plish > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 12 08:09:57 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5DA123BF19; Tue, 12 Jun 2007 08:09:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-SBRS: None X-SenderGroup: RELAYLIST X-MailFlowPolicy: $RELAYED X-MID: 536500354 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: OT: cassette -> mp3 Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2007 09:09:53 +0100 Message-ID: <1BB076E4C332F9469148F41725F17A7203AB3905@MTVNE-EXCLUST02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: OT: cassette -> mp3 Thread-Index: AcesyQ5031kcTmHiTS6RO64ErR8JIw== References: <895990.80683.qm@web32715.mail.mud.yahoo.com> From: "Goddard, Duncan" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Jun 2007 08:09:54.0284 (UTC) FILETIME=[0EF74AC0:01C7ACC9] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71018 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2007 08:09:57 +0000 (UTC) =20 >>and A BBE MAIMIZER MODEL 362NR!!!...<< is this to destroy the cassettes with afterwards? [chortle] d. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 12 08:17:28 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6F4C83BF19; Tue, 12 Jun 2007 08:17:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-SBRS: None X-SenderGroup: RELAYLIST X-MailFlowPolicy: $RELAYED X-MID: 605459241 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C7ACCA.1C04FB99" Subject: RE: Resetting the Behringer FCB Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2007 09:17:25 +0100 Message-ID: <1BB076E4C332F9469148F41725F17A7203AB390B@MTVNE-EXCLUST02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Resetting the Behringer FCB Thread-Index: AcesyhvPvLx05bktS3a7q5aVctMEXA== References: <200706120530.l5C5UMZ3079911@mail.cruzio.com> From: "Goddard, Duncan" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Jun 2007 08:17:25.0856 (UTC) FILETIME=[1C1FB600:01C7ACCA] Resent-Message-ID: <-qUYG.A.jaH.YalbGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71019 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2007 08:17:28 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C7ACCA.1C04FB99 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable the expression pedals, IIRC from taking the back off of my fcb1010 a while ago, are optical. the mechanism uses a graduated curve of transparent plastic attached to the pedal, which moves back & forth through a photo-transistor/LED pair.=20 =20 something might be occluding the PT, or maybe some contaminant has built up on the transparent plastic part, or else the PT is "going off"- becoming unstable through noise or just beyond the limits of the unit's ability to calibrate it. taking the back off the board & inspecting the assemblies in question would provide an opportunity to clean them of any ingress, but then a visit to a behringer dealership would have to be next on the list, I'd say. =20 I have a number of fairly sophisticated walkmans that use PT/LED sensors in their logic circuitry, that have failed in this manner. just a thought. =20 d. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C7ACCA.1C04FB99 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
the expression pedals, = IIRC from=20 taking the back off of my fcb1010 a while ago, are optical. the = mechanism uses a=20 graduated curve of transparent plastic attached to the pedal, which = moves back=20 & forth through a photo-transistor/LED pair.

something might be = occluding the=20 PT, or maybe some contaminant has built up on the transparent plastic = part, or=20 else the PT is "going off"- becoming unstable through noise or just = beyond the=20 limits of the unit's ability to calibrate it. taking the back off the = board=20 & inspecting the assemblies in question would provide an opportunity = to=20 clean them of any ingress, but then a visit to a behringer dealership would have to = be next on=20 the list, I'd say.

I have a number of = fairly=20 sophisticated walkmans that use PT/LED sensors in their logic circuitry, = that=20 have failed in this manner.

just a = thought.

d.
------_=_NextPart_001_01C7ACCA.1C04FB99-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 12 08:37:18 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 73E103BF1B; Tue, 12 Jun 2007 08:37:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: 12 Jun 2007 10:37:16 +0200 Message-ID: <58744.62.2.75.66.1181637436.squirrel@webmail.perspectix.com> From: "Bernhard Wagner LD" Reply-To: loopdelightml-NDI3MDE=-@bernhardwagner.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <003201c7acc0$1395a120$4001a8c0@mini> References: <452140.1570.qm@web32701.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <099a01c7ac9f$41fcc2d0$6401a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> <000201c7aca0$272528c0$4101a8c0@MICHAELPLISHKA> <003201c7acc0$1395a120$4001a8c0@mini> Subject: Re: EDP question:Redo User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71020 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2007 08:37:18 +0000 (UTC) Or save the loop to another slot, so you have a "backup copy" before going to the original and undoing stuff. Bernhard > > no redo function > > but you can alwas overdub and play again > > Cl02 > > > >> IS there any way to bring back a loop that's undone without using MIDI? >> >> THanks! >> >> Plish >> >> > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 12 09:34:29 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 26ECC3BF0B; Tue, 12 Jun 2007 09:34:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2007 11:34:24 +0200 Message-Id: Subject: Re: I now "get" the RC-50. MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Sensitivity: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: "Sjaak" To: "Loopers-Delight" X-XaM3-API-Version: 4.1 (B54) X-type: 0 X-SenderIP: 217.68.49.65 Resent-Message-ID: <1wef9.A.xAD.kimbGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71021 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2007 09:34:28 +0000 (UTC) Teddy wrote: > I love my RC-50, by the way. I have no idea what was even wrong with > it, but then again I always use it to make in time loops. I think that = if > you were using it to make loops with no click track it might not be > the optimal device. Hi, I have no poblems with making loops since OS 1.01 (which fixed the "gap" = issue). Both synced loops and unsynced loops are OK now, as well as synci= ng other midi devices to the RC-50. For example, I have synced my Roland = V-Synth and TC Electronic D2 delay and I can easily change the tempo duri= ng a performance using the tap tempo control pedal... Especially the V-Sy= nth has a very stable midi sync clock, it follows the RC-50 perfectly! Sjaak=0A---=0Ahttp://www.scarlet.be/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 12 12:38:49 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E87553BF1B; Tue, 12 Jun 2007 12:38:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-SBRS: -2.0 X-RemoteIP: 212.139.39.210 X-Cloudmark-SP-Filtered: true X-Cloudmark-SP-Result: v=1.0 c=0 a=g5zHzwdkAAAA:8 a=WhacmvtKFeXxEO19KG8A:9 a=C7fyepZtwrKTB__lfzaApn3_gNkA:4 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AvUoAEswbkbUiyfSUGdsb2JhbACCGgSNIwEBPwGYbA X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.16,411,1175468400"; d="scan'208";a="1606638" Message-ID: <466E93E9.4090800@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2007 13:39:05 +0100 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Resetting the Behringer FCB References: <200706120530.l5C5UMZ3079911@mail.cruzio.com> In-Reply-To: <200706120530.l5C5UMZ3079911@mail.cruzio.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71022 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2007 12:38:49 +0000 (UTC) Here's how to calibrate the pedal http://www.altrion.org/fcb1010/post.html The expression pedals "shouldn't" wear out, as they have optical sensors. However there's a bit of plastic film that's attached to each pedal and dips down into the body of the pedal. When this gets dusty (as it will) it upsets the calibration. andy William Walker wrote: > Have you tried calibrating the pedals while putting something underneath > the pedal in both the toe and heal down position. I used a small flat > block of wood, just enough to raise the pedal at either end so the > pedal is prohibited from making its full travel. this will narrow the > pedal’s throw range and might cure your problem. What are you > controlling with it, is it the same behavior no matter what or could it > be a calibration issue in your software? I think that these pedals just > start to give out after a while, I’ve got a couple of my pedal switches > that are starting to feel and act gimpy. Fortunately they aren’t that > expensive. > > Bill > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 12 14:27:54 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 69FC93BF14; Tue, 12 Jun 2007 14:27:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: midifriedchicken@comcast.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: I now "get" the RC-50. Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2007 14:27:51 +0000 Message-Id: <061220071427.5732.466EAD67000AB12B000016642216557996020A050C07080C0B0A079D00070B0703@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Oct 4 2006) X-Authenticated-Sender: bWlkaWZyaWVkY2hpY2tlbkBjb21jYXN0Lm5ldA== MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_5732_1181658471_0" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71023 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2007 14:27:54 +0000 (UTC) --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_5732_1181658471_0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I was using the RC 50 without any rhythm guide. It simply doesn't (at least for me) work best that way. -------------- Original message -------------- From: Teddy so... why and how did the stutter disappear? are you saying that by using the RC-50 as a master device for something else that loses the stutter? I love my RC-50, by the way. I have no idea what was even wrong with it, but then again I always use it to make in time loops. I think that if you were using it to make loops with no click track it might not be the optimal device. teddy On Jun 11, 2007, at 11:51 AM, midifriedchicken@comcast.net wrote: I was going to sell this thing. But! Now I've figured out a way to use this thing in a really cool way. The little stutter going from "record" to "play" always bugged the shit out of me. So, a few friends came over to play this weekend and we connected a Yamaha DD55 to the RC-50. The RC-50 was the master. This seems to be the only way to use sync with the RC-50. No matter, as it works great like this. The DD55 (a hugely under-appreciated device) syncs to the RC-50's tempo. No more stutter as the loops are perfectly set. Now the DD55 with somewhat decent sounds can played by a drummer or percussionest with a basic click track to guide them and the loops on the RC-50 never drift like with a real drum set. The click track can be on the DD55 and be a basic hihat, or conga. Or it can be on the RC-50. Either way, it can still very musical. This weekend we are going to experiment with different wav files imported into the RC 50 as rhythm guides. Also, we setup the DD55 to trigger BFD which sounds as good as any drum set. This could be the we gig from now on. Fewer mouths to feed, smaller stages are now available and setup is easy and quick. The only concern is hearing the initial guides. So monitoring is key. So far it seem very doable. We have a gig in few weeks that we are going to do this way. Ill let you guys know how it went. MFC --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_5732_1181658471_0 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
I was using the RC 50 without any rhythm guide. It simply doesn't (at least for me) work best that way.

-------------- Original message --------------
From: Teddy <teddybutter@mac.com>
so... why and how did the stutter disappear?

are you saying that by using the RC-50 as a master device for something else that loses the stutter?

I love my RC-50, by the way. I have no idea what was even wrong with it, but then again I always use it to make in time loops. I think that if you were using it to make loops with no click track it might not be the optimal device.

teddy

On Jun 11, 2007, at 11:51 AM, midifriedchicken@comcast.net wrote:

I was going to sell this thing. But! Now I've figured out a way to use this thing in a really cool way.

The little stutter going from "record" to "play" always bugged the shit out of me. So, a few friends came over to play this weekend and we connected a Yamaha DD55 to the RC-50. The RC-50 was the master. This seems to be the only way to use sync with the RC-50. No matter, as it works great like this. The DD55 (a hugely under-appreciated device) syncs to the RC-50's tempo. No more stutter as the loops are perfectly set.

Now the DD55 with somewhat decent sounds can played by a drummer or percussionest with a basic click track to guide them and the loops on the RC-50 never drift like with a real drum set.

The click track can be on the DD55 and be a basic hihat, or conga. Or it can be on the RC-50. Either way, it can still very musical. This weekend we are going to experiment with different wav files imported into the RC 50 as rhythm guides. Also, we setup the DD55 to trigger BFD which sounds as good as any drum set.

This could be the we gig from now on. Fewer mouths to feed, smaller stages are now available and setup is easy and quick.

The only concern is hearing the initial guides. So monitoring is key. So far it seem very doable. We have a gig in few weeks that we are going to do this way. Ill let you guys know how it went.

MFC

--NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_5732_1181658471_0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 12 14:29:22 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E8B603BF10; Tue, 12 Jun 2007 14:29:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: midifriedchicken@comcast.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: I now "get" the RC-50. Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2007 14:29:22 +0000 Message-Id: <061220071429.11290.466EADC2000025AB00002C1A2216557996020A050C07080C0B0A079D00070B0703@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Oct 4 2006) X-Authenticated-Sender: bWlkaWZyaWVkY2hpY2tlbkBjb21jYXN0Lm5ldA== MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_11290_1181658562_0" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71024 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2007 14:29:22 +0000 (UTC) --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_11290_1181658562_0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I can only get the RC50 to sync if its the master. It sorta works as a slave but not very well. -------------- Original message -------------- From: "Sjaak" > Teddy wrote: > > I love my RC-50, by the way. I have no idea what was even wrong with > > it, but then again I always use it to make in time loops. I think that if > > you were using it to make loops with no click track it might not be > > the optimal device. > > Hi, > I have no poblems with making loops since OS 1.01 (which fixed the "gap" issue). > Both synced loops and unsynced loops are OK now, as well as syncing other midi > devices to the RC-50. For example, I have synced my Roland V-Synth and TC > Electronic D2 delay and I can easily change the tempo during a performance using > the tap tempo control pedal... Especially the V-Synth has a very stable midi > sync clock, it follows the RC-50 perfectly! > > Sjaak > --- > http://www.scarlet.be/ > --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_11290_1181658562_0 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
I can only get the RC50 to sync if its the master. It sorta works as a slave but not very well.

-------------- Original message --------------
From: "Sjaak" <tcplugin@scarlet.be>

> Teddy wrote:
> > I love my RC-50, by the way. I have no idea what was even wrong with
> > it, but then again I always use it to make in time loops. I think that if
> > you were using it to make loops with no click track it might not be
> > the optimal device.
>
> Hi,
> I have no poblems with making loops since OS 1.01 (which fixed the "gap" issue).
> Both synced loops and unsynced loops are OK now, as well as syncing other midi
> devices to the RC-50. For example, I have synced my Roland V-Synth and TC
> Electronic D2 delay and I can easily change the tempo during a performance using
> the tap tempo control pedal... Especially the V-Synth has a very stable midi
> sync clock, it follows the RC-50 p erfectly!
>
> Sjaak
> ---
> http://www.scarlet.be/
>
--NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_11290_1181658562_0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 12 14:42:11 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D563F3BF13; Tue, 12 Jun 2007 14:42:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=lYn5+TCOSK8QdO6rXzz5MeMJnsMj2Jq/1HWLwtDqoS8AHE+DMEJxojo3bKrl5uuC; h=Received:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:X-Mailer:Thread-Index:X-MimeOLE:In-Reply-To:Message-ID:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; From: "ejyuhas" To: Subject: RE: NJ Looping Festival - Morristown, NJ Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2007 10:43:17 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0110_01C7ACDE.7E5ADE30" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 Thread-Index: Acep1flvz5hL6GdWTY+W+cMkrbuoHADKEA1w X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 In-Reply-To: <005e01c7a8f9$c56d0d90$0207a8c0@eluk1> Message-ID: X-ELNK-Trace: 22b7a950aa3e6c4dd780f4a490ca69563f9fea00a6dd62bcecafc78557870f61633d11fdde048794350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 69.68.162.202 Resent-Message-ID: <143zDD.A.LsF.DDrbGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71025 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2007 14:42:11 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0110_01C7ACDE.7E5ADE30 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Fellow loopers and creative peoples... =20 As I'm home recovering from a hip/knee surgery I will chime in... =20 There is a great venue here in Morristown, NJ called Caf=E9 Arabica. =20 It is centrally located to Routes 78, 287, 80, GSP, NJTPK etc. with easy access from NJ and neighboring states. =20 It is a "hookah bar" and a nice, art-deco inspired coffeehouse with = decent food and a BYOB policy. The owner, Ali is a friend to loopers and = loop-based music as every Wednesday evenings he hosts "Loop-to-Loop", which is an in-residency for musicians that use looping as one of their techniques. = I don't know what he'd charge for the room, etc. but he is cool and a supporter of the arts. It's a great room to play in with decent = acoustics. Open mike is on Tuesday evenings, and although I have not played there = yet, my brother says he likes the sound there when he plays. =20 Just a thought, check it out: http://www.cafearabicanj.com =20 =20 Regards, =20 Ed in NJ =20 PS It's only been a week and I am anxiously awaiting when I can return = to sitting at my looping rig, aka "Command Central". Right now it's the acoustic guitar for me. :) =20 =20 =20 =20 ------=_NextPart_000_0110_01C7ACDE.7E5ADE30 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Fellow loopers and creative = peoples...

As I'm home recovering from a hip/knee surgery I will = chime in...

There is a great venue here in Morristown, NJ called Caf=E9 Arabica.

It is centrally located to Routes 78, 287, 80, GSP, = NJTPK etc. with easy access from NJ and neighboring = states.

It is a "hookah bar" and a nice, art-deco = inspired coffeehouse with decent food and a BYOB policy. The owner, Ali is a = friend to loopers and loop-based music as every Wednesday evenings he hosts = "Loop-to-Loop", which is an in-residency for musicians that use looping as one of their techniques. I don't know what = he'd charge for the room, etc. but he is cool and a supporter of the arts. = It's a great room to play in with decent acoustics. Open mike is on Tuesday = evenings, and although I have not played there yet, my brother says he likes the = sound there when he plays.

Just a thought, check it out: http://www.cafearabicanj.com =

Regards,

Ed in NJ

PS It's only been a week and I am anxiously awaiting = when I can return to sitting at my looping rig, aka "Command = Central". Right now it's the acoustic guitar for me. :)

------=_NextPart_000_0110_01C7ACDE.7E5ADE30-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 12 14:47:46 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D420F3BF2A; Tue, 12 Jun 2007 14:47:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=WXoHMAaYbocxtRsnqAhCYZ+arqeAWU7L/ke6Mp11+ciE1cnd3xkQirKyD6nOkDOG; h=Received:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:X-Mailer:Thread-Index:X-MimeOLE:In-Reply-To:Message-ID:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; From: "ejyuhas" To: Subject: RE: NJ Looping Festival - an afterthought Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2007 10:48:55 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0114_01C7ACDF.4629AF90" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 Thread-Index: Acep1fYFXFsXwNH+TMaJofkyZG/eigDKkHLg X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 In-Reply-To: <9e0440a60706061358r370fdf72pb26187ca58324ad6@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: X-ELNK-Trace: 22b7a950aa3e6c4dd780f4a490ca69563f9fea00a6dd62bc5d1b71c393bc7f8a9d3847866bcc6f97350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 69.68.162.202 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71026 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2007 14:47:46 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0114_01C7ACDF.4629AF90 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Oops, mea culpa. Anyone on this list familiar with the NJProghouse run by Jim Robinson? He's usually an attendeed at NEARFest, etc. and is no stranger to loopers and what we do. He has progressive rock shows in Metuchen, NJ and can hold them in a small, historic schoolhouse or a larger theater where the likes of The Flower Kings and Neal Morse, etc. have played in the past. Check it out: http://www.njproghouse.com/ Regards, Ed in NJ ------=_NextPart_000_0114_01C7ACDF.4629AF90 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Oops, mea = culpa…

Anyone on this list familiar with = the NJProghouse run by Jim Robinson?

He’s usually an attendeed at NEARFest, etc. and is no stranger to loopers and what we = do.

He has progressive rock shows in = Metuchen, NJ and can hold them in a small, historic = schoolhouse

or a larger theater where the likes = of The Flower Kings and Neal Morse, etc. have played in the = past.

Check it out: http://www.njproghouse.com/=

Regards,

Ed in NJ =

------=_NextPart_000_0114_01C7ACDF.4629AF90-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 12 14:53:23 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9501A3BF28; Tue, 12 Jun 2007 14:53:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com In-Reply-To: <009001c7aca1$6d954640$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> References: <009001c7aca1$6d954640$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-5--658149449 Message-Id: <5E53D90A-E6A7-43B5-B695-BA884C88F0C6@infinivert.com> From: Josh Carroll Subject: Re: Trouble Thinking of Loops Beyond the Initial Loop Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2007 09:53:17 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - chara.lunarpages.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - infinivert.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71027 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2007 14:53:23 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-5--658149449 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed On Jun 11, 2007, at 10:26 PM, RICK WALKER wrote: > Lastly, if you search these words BRIAN ENO OBLIQUE > STRATEGIES at www.google.com > They'll lead you to a website that gives you the ability to print > out a series of cards that you can > print out called OBLIQUE STRATEGY CARDS. Invented by the amazing > multi-media artist, producer, BRIAN ENO, > their whole purpose is to stimulate creativity when you are on the > horns of a dilemma or > just not feeling like you are creating interesting choices. You > shuffle the deck, pick a card and force yourself > to do whatever the card does. This is a brilliant strategy for > stimulating new creativity when you are stuck. Or, if you're a Mac user, you can download the dashboard widget (with the first 4 versions) at: http://www.apple.com/downloads/dashboard/reference/oblique.html --Josh --Apple-Mail-5--658149449 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1
On Jun 11, 2007, = at 10:26 PM, RICK WALKER wrote:

Lastly,=A0 if you search these = words=A0 =A0 BRIAN ENO=A0 OBLIQUE STRATEGIES =A0 at www.google.com

They'll lead you to a=A0 website that gives you the = ability to print out a series of cards that you can

print out called OBLIQUE = STRATEGY CARDS. =A0 = Invented by the amazing multi-media artist, producer, BRIAN = ENO,

their = whole purpose is to stimulate creativity when you are on the horns of a = dilemma or

just not = feeling like you are creating interesting choices. =A0 You shuffle the deck,=A0 pick a card and force = yourself

to do = whatever the card does.=A0 =A0 =A0 = This is a brilliant strategy for stimulating new creativity when = you are stuck.

Or, if you're a Mac user, = you can download the dashboard widget (with the first 4 versions) = at:

h= ttp://www.apple.com/downloads/dashboard/reference/oblique.html

--Josh
= --Apple-Mail-5--658149449-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 12 16:46:05 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AF9253BF25; Tue, 12 Jun 2007 16:46:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <0a2f01c7ad11$28368760$6401a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <200705171532.l4HFWOQb017975@mail.cruzio.com> Subject: Re: GP arcticle Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2007 10:45:58 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0A2C_01C7ACDE.DC817FA0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71028 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2007 16:46:05 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0A2C_01C7ACDE.DC817FA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Someone may have sent this already, but here it is anyway: http://www.guitarplayer.com/story.asp?storycode=3D18131&encCode=3D2906269= 861BC9632233JTBS737226611 Kris ----- Original Message -----=20 From: William Walker=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2007 9:32 AM Subject: GP arcticle =20 I want to second Rick in thanking Barry Cleveland for such nice = coverage of us at the Y2K6 fest. In particular I'd like to thank the = coverage of my pattern bald spot with the word Riffs! J But seriously = folks. Actually when I spoke to Barry, he said that he would still be in = Poland by the time the issue broke. He is there attending and performing = at the Thanks Jimi festival in Wroclaw Poland that is put on by Leszek = Cichonski, who if you have never heard is one of the most amazing = interpreters of Jimi's music, and creator of post Hendrix style music = you will ever hear. A lot of guys can get the sound but few can get the = feel like this guy. I would encourage any of you to send a shout out to = Barry at the guitar player web site. Thanks Bill ------=_NextPart_000_0A2C_01C7ACDE.DC817FA0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Someone may have sent this already, but = here it is=20 anyway:

http://www.guitarplayer.com/story.= asp?storycode=3D18131&encCode=3D2906269861BC9632233JTBS737226611<= /FONT>

Kris

----- Original Message -----
From:=20 William=20 Walker

To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20

Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2007 = 9:32=20 AM

Subject: GP arcticle

I want to second Rick in = thanking=20 Barry Cleveland for such nice coverage of us at the Y2K6 fest. In = particular=20 I=92d like to thank the coverage of my pattern bald spot with the word = Riffs!=20 J But=20 seriously folks=85 Actually when I spoke to Barry, he said that he = would still=20 be in Poland by the time the = issue broke.=20 He is there attending and performing at the Thanks Jimi festival in = Wroclaw=20 Poland that is put on by Leszek Cichonski, who if you have never = heard=20 is one of the most amazing interpreters of Jimi=92s music, and creator = of post=20 Hendrix style music you will ever hear. A lot of guys can get = the sound=20 but few can get the feel like this guy. I would encourage any of you = to send a=20 shout out to Barry at the guitar player web = site.

Thanks

Bill
<= /HTML> ------=_NextPart_000_0A2C_01C7ACDE.DC817FA0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 12 17:49:39 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F1ADA3BF27; Tue, 12 Jun 2007 17:49:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=bW4jawKueOjxWerL5OrxKhBh7NC0uXub+9t2ufK1nHGkpLtoEE7UKfQAqbWHwNC3Q7TTACgIv7UU5HTpANo7h4bUXNkOEY2DeSZMVe1HOr7hRAqwSIhsVTRt7l7Hk6rY6dvLGX7sIBNfy31E4W1YQHbKStysrbUoY/m2hL2wP8w=; X-YMail-OSG: IrYIJDwVM1mAto1U8v8FCJGyOHYe0lgtKBrsaTU19G_NhjG2tbXzt5H1PmwJIWQ03Tj85lfSF2szvfg8i4uqozrUKi0arJl9OenPcGHjYaVaINThgyQ- Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2007 10:49:36 -0700 (PDT) From: Brian Kupferschmid Subject: Re: GP arcticle To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <0a2f01c7ad11$28368760$6401a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <613999.65926.qm@web34304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71029 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2007 17:49:38 +0000 (UTC) I finally got to read that article, it's actually kinda cool to put faces to names I see on here all the time, I'm hoping sometime soon to attend and perhaps perform in any one of the loopfests. --- Krispen Hartung wrote: > Someone may have sent this already, but here it is > anyway: > > http://www.guitarplayer.com/story.asp?storycode=18131&encCode=2906269861BC9632233JTBS737226611 > > Kris > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: William Walker > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2007 9:32 AM > Subject: GP arcticle > > > > > I want to second Rick in thanking Barry Cleveland > for such nice coverage of us at the Y2K6 fest. In > particular I'd like to thank the coverage of my > pattern bald spot with the word Riffs! J But > seriously folks. Actually when I spoke to Barry, he > said that he would still be in Poland by the time > the issue broke. He is there attending and > performing at the Thanks Jimi festival in Wroclaw > Poland that is put on by Leszek Cichonski, who if > you have never heard is one of the most amazing > interpreters of Jimi's music, and creator of post > Hendrix style music you will ever hear. A lot of > guys can get the sound but few can get the feel like > this guy. I would encourage any of you to send a > shout out to Barry at the guitar player web site. > > Thanks > > Bill > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Looking for earth-friendly autos? Browse Top Cars by "Green Rating" at Yahoo! Autos' Green Center. http://autos.yahoo.com/green_center/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 12 18:55:45 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1F4BE3BF12; Tue, 12 Jun 2007 18:55:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=5HSwuxHm7hJxeao4lr93ZxYoG9CNviUlRyn3k3Y6jN8Nh+NiLHmK1mSbcyWK+Cb6QqTlS7+xdEeDozGLAK83KyS7PAoptQOC1YaBFP1WHWLPYtnDZQIM0siVzq5nS35mSOC+2T554BRzXCs9KIWrKBZJlDpmerRi36EJnVJMEjA=; X-YMail-OSG: o12G.F8VM1kMWICPM3iXb9mUICjk4heEh4Vf_FQTc3vytqalxxkb6KSyBPJH81BaqF_J5T12cfV2pJOjqsS7LzUn21o5HkPLkdF3QfjUt8qG5coWdF0- Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2007 11:55:41 -0700 (PDT) From: bill bigrig Subject: Re: Headset mic To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <099a01c7ac9f$41fcc2d0$6401a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <684980.79683.qm@web32711.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71030 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2007 18:55:45 +0000 (UTC) Howdy, General comments, yes. Eq, good luck, a 15 band minimum for 1 microphone might do the trick. Channel eq just didn't seem to have enough control. Rig --- Krispen Hartung wrote: > Wow...some negative comments on this setup from Rick > and Bill. > > Nothing that some decent EQ can't fix. The specs > don't look that bad. I plan > to get one anyway. I've used them before, with > decent results. I'm just > using it for experimental vocal processing into my > laptop and > max/msp....nothing remotely close to vocal looping > or typical rock/pop > vocals. I think it will be fine, really. > > All mids, no treble or bass? Come on....no treble or > no bass? Is this a > generalization? > > Kris > > > > > > Howdy, > > > > The first band i worked in bought an sm-10 for the > > drummer. STAY AWAY!!! all mids, no treble or bass. > > Rig > > > > > > --- Krispen Hartung wrote: > > > >> And how does it compare to the Sure? > >> > >> > > > http://www.shure.com/ProAudio/Products/WiredMicrophones/us_pro_SM10A-CN_content > >> > >> I am thinking of getting this one, because it has > >> been compared with the > >> SM58, which I'm fond of. > >> > >> Kris > >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "Qua Veda" > >> To: > >> Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2007 5:21 PM > >> Subject: Headset mic > >> > >> > >> > Hi Stefan, > >> > You mentioned you are using an AudioTechnica > >> headset mic. Sounds like a > >> > very convenient mic that frees up your hands to > >> operate faders, play > >> > instruments etc. > >> > > >> > Can you elaborate on your use of the mic? > Model # > >> of the mic, how it > >> > sounds compared to other popular vocal mics, > >> feedback rejection etc ? > >> > > >> > Thanks > >> > -Qua > >> > > >> > -----Original Message----- > >> > From: Stefan Tiedje > >> [mailto:Stefan-Tiedje@addcom.de] > >> > Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2007 2:37 PM > >> > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > >> > Subject: Re: POST YOUR SETUP > >> > > >> > Michael Peters schrieb: > >> >> :-) very simple. I've grown too old to > schlepp > >> tons of gear. > >> > > >> > Yeah, mine fits into a small rucksack: 12" > >> Powerbook running Max/MSP, Esi > >> > Quatafire 610, up to three fader boxes (Fostex > >> MixTAB, Doepfer PocketFader > >> > and PocketDial), Yamaha CBX K1 mini keyboard - > all > >> fed by an AudioTechnica > >> > headset, eventually some additional Mics. For > >> "bigger" > >> > sets I can throw in a Peavey RQ 200 Mixer (the > >> smallest mixer I know with > >> > 16 > >> > inputs, 6 of them mic ins...) > >> > > >> > Sound sources include, beside my voice, plastic > >> water bottles and Tibetan > >> > bowls... > >> > > >> > Stefan > >> > > >> > -- > >> > Stefan Tiedje------------x------- > >> > --_____-----------|-------------- > >> > --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()------- > >> > -- _|_)----|-----()-------------- > >> > ----------()--------www.ccmix.com > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > > Need a vacation? Get great deals > > to amazing places on Yahoo! Travel. > > http://travel.yahoo.com/ > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Shape Yahoo! in your own image. Join our Network Research Panel today! http://surveylink.yahoo.com/gmrs/yahoo_panel_invite.asp?a=7 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 12 21:45:47 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F26D93BF17; Tue, 12 Jun 2007 21:45:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <5.2.1.1.0.20070612142858.06824ec8@mail.onemodelplace.com> X-Sender: CaraQuinn@mail.onemodelplace.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.1 Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2007 14:46:14 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Cara Quinn Subject: Re: Back from europe/looping inspirations In-Reply-To: <466E1617.9040205@mhorse.com> References: <200705161749250.SM06916@quahome> <200705161749250.SM06916@quahome> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-8322FFE Resent-Message-ID: <5QlT9D.A.acD.KQxbGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71031 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2007 21:45:46 +0000 (UTC) Hey Daryl, thanks muchly for the welcome back!!! :) (yes, that was me with the Steinberger / Space Station combo) well, to be honest, I haven't been looping AT ALL for quite some time, and haven't even been playing at all either. Have been pursuing other avenues which I continue to do, however, I did get to visit with Rick Walker / some of the performers of the loop fest in 05 (can't keep track of the numbers of the festivals themselves! lol!) and upon Rick's very sincere invite to this next one in Oct, I decided to reobtain / revamp my setup a bit and go for it!!! woohoo! :) So we'll see what comes out! I really respect what you said in your post, about taking in other things in the world when approaching a "block" situation, and personally believe that as well... Even though I'm not in that particular situation, partially due to my hiatus, I'm most definitely coming upon the idea of putting together a looping set with definite new fervor... anyway, thanks for sharing a bit of your trip with us, and keep the cooking tips coming!!! lol! Do you ever get up to LA? Would love to hear ya play!!!... :) Have a great day!... Smiles, Cara At 10:42 PM 6/11/2007 -0500, you wrote: >To my great disappointment, in my time in London and Paris I didn't get to >hook up with any of the people who kindly emailed me. I do regret that and >really need to make a bigger effort next trip (that darn "romance" thing! >always getting in the way!). Just wanted to say thanks to all who got in touch. > >I wanted to put forth how inspiring it was to take in a lot of non-musical >artwork. London and Paris both have such amazing museums (in London, many >of them being free to the public), full of works that have moved people >for generations. For those who are feeling stuck musically, as I've been >reading in some of the posts as I catch up, I recommend taking in other >forms for awhile and using that as source material, rather than thinking >of a particular musical thing to aim for. I loved the classical sculpture >in the Louvre, and all the predictable Impressionists, and Picasso, but I >found Dali (there's a dedicated museum in London) to be maybe the most >applicable for improvised looping. Those surreal landscapes seemed like >visual representations of the weird alternate universes that looping can >create. I felt very much moved to try to "describe" those scenes musically. > >Also, welcome back, Carla! I remember you rocking a Steinberger and >Digitech Space Station back at the first Loopfest, and wondered if you >still were looping. > >Finally, just wanted to add my voice to the chorus of cooks here. Music is >what I "do", I always say, but cooking is my hobby. I have all kinds of >salsa recipes, but the best tip I can give (and I DO live in Mexico...) is >to use Roma tomatoes, and to roast them until the skin blackens and peels, >along with the jalapeno chiles if you're using them. > >Daryl Shawn >www.swanwelder.com >www.chinapaintingmusic.com > > > > > >-- >No virus found in this incoming message. >Checked by AVG Free Edition. >Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 269.8.13/844 - Release Date: 6/11/2007 >5:10 PM --- View my on-line portfolio at: http://www.onemodelplace.com/CaraQuinn "The only things I really think are important, are love, and each other. -Then, anything is possible..." http://home.earthlink.net/~cara-quinn -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 269.8.13/844 - Release Date: 6/11/2007 5:10 PM From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 12 22:30:50 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C47C33BF0E; Tue, 12 Jun 2007 22:30:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=3wYxzPAVsG6lKPOzQ37qQvQovFsiXw2Z2Iaytd3bBz13TjAFn0aUG3VimmC9uLhwNRZqZHyoMzQEZLbcQAebeqAKzcRMymTcbHHZ7oVwGbJ/BFKNiR6Z3BIlTKXBmuFQjboVCK0WEvt1ejCNyP4hNPaEXN+mLredRVLhGNtrpHQ=; X-YMail-OSG: J6iZqw8VM1n8OUW42S1C9qXSlNB1iT.yA9HUoQ.UleEFB.IYIjD03Eydh2yxxPJst2hoFQx4rW0Rf5v.DIi45thxbAs1i6CbpsHBj1XPIY09rv3.1qAeKwp80hRaxg-- Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2007 15:30:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Elmer Fuddski Subject: Trouble Thinking of Loops Beyond the Initial Loop To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <613999.65926.qm@web34304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1825392631-1181687448=:9856" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <403828.9856.qm@web38403.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71032 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2007 22:30:50 +0000 (UTC) --0-1825392631-1181687448=:9856 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Thanks for all they great answers for getting ones brain to perform 'physical jerks'. I didn't know the Oblique Strategies came from Eno. I remember they were cited in Linklaters film "Slacker" and thought they were pretty cool then. Guess I'm going to have to quit playing new age surf music! Regards Jake --------------------------------- Ready for the edge of your seat? Check out tonight's top picks on Yahoo! TV. --0-1825392631-1181687448=:9856 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit

Thanks for all they great answers for getting ones brain to perform 'physical jerks'.

I didn't know the Oblique Strategies came from Eno. I remember they were cited in Linklaters film "Slacker" and thought they were pretty cool then.

Guess I'm going to have to quit playing new age surf music!

Regards

Jake

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TV. --0-1825392631-1181687448=:9856-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 12 22:52:30 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F07883BF0A; Tue, 12 Jun 2007 22:52:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <0a9201c7ad44$58137500$6401a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <009001c7aca1$6d954640$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Subject: Re: Trouble Thinking of Loops Beyond the Initial Loop Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2007 16:52:23 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71033 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2007 22:52:29 +0000 (UTC) Cripes, man... you should be teaching at a university, making $70K a year. Seriously. You're knowledge in this area is amazing. Next time anyone gets a chance to meet Rick in person, drag him to the nearest pub and table and ask him to explain his theory of rhythm, human evolution, and how to break odd time signatures down into intelligible chunks. It will be worth your while, provide you haven't drink too many pints and you can still count. :) Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "RICK WALKER" Subject: Re: Trouble Thinking of Loops Beyond the Initial Loop > Jake asked: > "I keep coming up with pretty good/interesting loops (guitar and drum > backing) with my RC-50. But, I can't seem to develop a corresponding > "verse" to the initial loop structure (following a somewhat standard song > structure).Any ideas to help the creative juices flowing from this > esteemed group of musicians?" > Human beings process information through their senses which,essentially, > just process differences > or changes in the environment. Our senses pick up contrast in light, > color, sound, pressure, smell, etc. > > We are pattern oriented so making simple contrasting changes in the form > of a pattern can lead to > really effective musical sections of a tune. > > Much can be accomplished in composition and arrangement by looking at > very simple > form structures. > > As an example: > From West African music we get the notion of CALL and RESPONCE > > try this technique with a song by: > > Play a measure A (CALL) > > Play a second measure that contrasts it either rhythymically, harmonically > or timbrally B (RESPONSE) > > repeat A (CALL) > > Now play a variation of B, again, making the variation distinct either > rhythmically, harmonically or timbrally C (2nd RESPONSE) > > Now play with the structure of these three measures > > ABAC ABCB etc. or string them together and very > their forms in groups of four to make a meta-form > > AAAB = a > AAAC = b > AABC = c > > now play abac...............abcb.........................you get the > idea. > ************************ > > sometimes you can merely rearrange the timbre or instrumentation of a > piece of music to get interesting simple results: > Have the rhythm of the bass guitar and the rhythm of the drums switch > positions and take on each other's roles from > section to section. > > Many, many electronic dance tunes ONLY switch timbres during their > different sections; completely eschewing harmonic > changes or key changes. > > ************************ > Harmonically, try modulating up or down with a groove you are using to > create a new section > > or, Modally, base the next section by using one of the notes that > isn't the tonic or 5th from the first section as > the new 'tonic' of the next section but confine yourself to using only the > notes in the key of the first section. > > Keep playing this game until you come up with results you like. > > It's amazing how little you can vary from one section of a composition to > another as long as you self conciously > create strong contrasts in any category of rhythm, harmony, timbre, > dynamics or even density of note choices. > > Lastly, if you search these words BRIAN ENO OBLIQUE STRATEGIES at > www.google.com > They'll lead you to a website that gives you the ability to print out a > series of cards that you can > print out called OBLIQUE STRATEGY CARDS. Invented by the amazing > multi-media artist, producer, BRIAN ENO, > their whole purpose is to stimulate creativity when you are on the horns > of a dilemma or > just not feeling like you are creating interesting choices. You shuffle > the deck, pick a card and force yourself > to do whatever the card does. This is a brilliant strategy for > stimulating new creativity when you are stuck. > > Good luck and document what works for you. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 12 23:05:24 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7ADFF3BEB6; Tue, 12 Jun 2007 23:05:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com In-Reply-To: <0a9201c7ad44$58137500$6401a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> References: <009001c7aca1$6d954640$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> <0a9201c7ad44$58137500$6401a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Jeff Shirkey Subject: Re: Trouble Thinking of Loops Beyond the Initial Loop Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2007 18:07:09 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71034 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2007 23:05:24 +0000 (UTC) On Jun 12, 2007, at 5:52 PM, Krispen Hartung wrote: > Cripes, man... you should be teaching at a university, making $70K > a year. Please tell me what universities pay 70K a year, so I can get a job there. Thanks. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 12 23:05:30 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0D1483BF1E; Tue, 12 Jun 2007 23:05:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=imRdcjwmpW3r5ZR270tsDrbDs6/KpUaQPdv7Qj4PD7Iix84OLKn8WtZWWTszemDHI24GgZ4jkUkuingzqqSfE1YsDf+I/nCttUwRg117e/8XOxPejLSzx9NJUUGQ/6FCQCxN/x/+WSMM/hE7HreSRfGEFRy1eOGATc0ewj2Osyo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=ZzzmLLFXdqxF7ofKm5p/GrBjG75e5NAH/ynw3kNRDNcUGZuKXlhfX0pC0MeWFgDDmpx+uON0+pa++hZn6oGVVx1YINh++41eVTLIpy9unBwvhl9IiS2k5tANnZ82oF3yKhxPPkxOEUPf9MDJacnUragsbBmCabvImxlNU6IG2qU= Message-ID: Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2007 16:05:28 -0700 From: "Travis Hartnett" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Trouble Thinking of Loops Beyond the Initial Loop In-Reply-To: <0a9201c7ad44$58137500$6401a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <009001c7aca1$6d954640$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> <0a9201c7ad44$58137500$6401a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71035 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2007 23:05:30 +0000 (UTC) Come on, you can't have both... TH On 6/12/07, Krispen Hartung wrote: > Cripes, man... you should be teaching at a university, making $70K a year. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 12 23:16:22 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 514813BF0F; Tue, 12 Jun 2007 23:16:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=PiWCk6HDq2tvGw80eikg+cY6Q+W7/3N9NNleTpOahKneU9GnsV7/+o+SVd3CF1mjlWiyfULU1bIOV3ilmB+6gXSx2Am8axBteOyuJaH+2Fm8C6T+yWp17NWo4kTx8Z34XMd+GQZ2NNaJfd0FhK+AGcRm/XP2CuECZIz06yK0qlU=; X-YMail-OSG: 3PxqHIgVM1m_.KGn6qrGfV8u_dVkqmzbFynbmHMul.CY69qZAiFdzSOJmQrUjkpzKECwcaFDhMK0uyNbAcwTRFB6KtHNqg89O7Ggu11Cjsoe.rcwUrhdkj3PK8xHUg-- Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2007 16:16:19 -0700 (PDT) From: Paul Richards Subject: Re: Trouble Thinking of Loops Beyond the Initial Loop To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1088244767-1181690179=:27108" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <930530.27108.qm@web35107.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71036 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2007 23:16:22 +0000 (UTC) --0-1088244767-1181690179=:27108 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit That number is low. $85-90K minimum. Jeff Shirkey wrote: On Jun 12, 2007, at 5:52 PM, Krispen Hartung wrote: > Cripes, man... you should be teaching at a university, making $70K > a year. Please tell me what universities pay 70K a year, so I can get a job there. Thanks. Jeff --------------------------------- Get the Yahoo! toolbar and be alerted to new email wherever you're surfing. --0-1088244767-1181690179=:27108 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit That number is low. $85-90K minimum.

Jeff Shirkey <jcshirke@midway.uchicago.edu> wrote:

On Jun 12, 2007, at 5:52 PM, Krispen Hartung wrote:

> Cripes, man... you should be teaching at a university, making $70K
> a year.

Please tell me what universities pay 70K a year, so I can get a job
there.

Thanks.

Jeff

Get the Yahoo! toolbar and be alerted to new email wherever you're surfing. --0-1088244767-1181690179=:27108-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 12 23:19:11 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DD4E33BF0D; Tue, 12 Jun 2007 23:19:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=bUS3WdhbkENC8OsmNZHea5x0f/eZrmTagheo9vW9wKr3GSxs/loXqaoPjh/ES3qz9EnU6vHFasFseoHgVvyT2QzBpa8a5ucgHgn0DUR12XMhNTOmB8DJH8ph3qDvGFhgxlLvTC7b55UTthynhMWvChYuxD1PSupJ8CMKisVUBhQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=EYLT5Y4W7dfhxDfgv07l/urtUccfpBA2/ADedntdHvl5QiSOhi9gzhrzTXnS/Fubi7YfzuqHYVbLG7A4QStSDL4avCDS2L7rzvYcie9akm3Oxz4d6nPyuJqpxhngC4ZecdarWuxXa8IptmrOpIl2iEy76Ji7RdOda0lPuNDwL20= Message-ID: Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2007 16:19:10 -0700 From: "Travis Hartnett" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Trouble Thinking of Loops Beyond the Initial Loop In-Reply-To: <930530.27108.qm@web35107.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <930530.27108.qm@web35107.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71037 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2007 23:19:11 +0000 (UTC) Not everywhere: http://chronicle.com/stats/aaup/aaupresults.php On 6/12/07, Paul Richards wrote: > That number is low. $85-90K minimum. > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 12 23:20:59 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 841283BF04; Tue, 12 Jun 2007 23:20:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <50076.67.136.237.160.1181690428.squirrel@webmail.zerocrossing.net> In-Reply-To: References: <009001c7aca1$6d954640$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> <0a9201c7ad44$58137500$6401a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2007 16:20:28 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: Trouble Thinking of Loops Beyond the Initial Loop From: sine@zerocrossing.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.9a MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71038 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2007 23:20:59 +0000 (UTC) Depends on your field and location. I know people in the sciences that make that as post-docs. > > On Jun 12, 2007, at 5:52 PM, Krispen Hartung wrote: > >> Cripes, man... you should be teaching at a university, making $70K >> a year. > > Please tell me what universities pay 70K a year, so I can get a job > there. > > Thanks. > > Jeff > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 12 23:54:51 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4B9B33BF13; Tue, 12 Jun 2007 23:54:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=MipXDaXHLQEabrhFDfNlUTqwHyCwyW8TWtckhZF4DtlIcXgAio9rieD2kspvfL8Kfe1J4MdFDz+B36W5ThkTgewhhYgqsJk+bb1P7fH7Kc8VX0/iGo0cxGwLUxiQwHI6Nw2ghoY359708u27w4blt997DP3BzS4aEFUNIvyFnAs=; X-YMail-OSG: jOKcHhAVM1ngsikgX6crI_iRIaiLjQ0JWrGPDUlkAnlqEefjDV_YyYRpYF917JJ.u72BoG5u3WWVemhtWYXT7ye1ENkuH1t9OCB5 Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2007 16:54:49 -0700 (PDT) From: Paul Richards Subject: Re: Trouble Thinking of Loops Beyond the Initial Loop To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-861949810-1181692489=:32738" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <847109.32738.qm@web35101.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71039 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2007 23:54:51 +0000 (UTC) --0-861949810-1181692489=:32738 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit They pay $200K-$250K where I'm at. Dr. Pain Travis Hartnett wrote: Not everywhere: http://chronicle.com/stats/aaup/aaupresults.php On 6/12/07, Paul Richards wrote: > That number is low. $85-90K minimum. > > --------------------------------- Get the free Yahoo! toolbar and rest assured with the added security of spyware protection. --0-861949810-1181692489=:32738 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
They pay $200K-$250K where I'm at.

Dr. Pain

Travis Hartnett <travishartnett@gmail.com> wrote:

Not everywhere:

http://chronicle.com/stats/aaup/aaupresults.php

On 6/12/07, Paul Richards wrote:
> That number is low. $85-90K minimum.
>
>

Get the free Yahoo! toolbar and rest assured with the added security of spyware protection. --0-861949810-1181692489=:32738-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 13 00:08:13 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 73A673BEAF; Wed, 13 Jun 2007 00:08:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=er5KCmYGqs4dhk3hCoZcEF+3xSgxGfQ1ouIJnkhfIwc5wOHsWkwgaVviPRlgUgZJDQ3R8CCVDAYKGb6p49nxGeQ0mmubG2PVB6Y7omTWMHWot70q6nXTRuyANHVucbYPL9c8rAJP8Ciko6hSZ2cVxXi8UGym41la3SNt9/cnwns= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=NUkTQHJ0bEOZ5wSo2ZD2A/9m4bQyrShXytFD5KjTXDY1d+zUbViabPWQ8Du//102RZ5b0eC034VFKGqud0tyjy12LdfZTYbOHJZgnXySlRjbkTN1sW05Gtln4ox/I9AXtY9P4plrxiaf6T/+tLYjx0D2XMUhn3gGe5XNMONBm0E= Message-ID: Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2007 17:08:11 -0700 From: "Travis Hartnett" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Trouble Thinking of Loops Beyond the Initial Loop In-Reply-To: <847109.32738.qm@web35101.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <847109.32738.qm@web35101.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71040 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2007 00:08:13 +0000 (UTC) To teach college? Where is this citadel? TH On 6/12/07, Paul Richards wrote: > They pay $200K-$250K where I'm at. > > Dr. Pain > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 13 01:10:23 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F3EFE3BF05; Wed, 13 Jun 2007 01:10:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <50076.67.136.237.160.1181690428.squirrel@webmail.zerocrossing.net> References: <009001c7aca1$6d954640$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> <0a9201c7ad44$58137500$6401a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> <50076.67.136.237.160.1181690428.squirrel@webmail.zerocrossing.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <7943AD2B-625D-4DD3-9629-F0213C440A7E@midway.uchicago.edu> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Jeff Shirkey Subject: Re: Trouble Thinking of Loops Beyond the Initial Loop Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2007 20:12:08 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: <5eXOw.A.p9D.-P0bGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71041 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2007 01:10:22 +0000 (UTC) On Jun 12, 2007, at 6:20 PM, sine@zerocrossing.net wrote: > Depends on your field and location. I know people in the sciences > that > make that as post-docs. yeah, well, my salary will be 42K this year. Not that you asked, but, just fyi. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 13 01:11:26 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7F0AA3BEF8; Wed, 13 Jun 2007 01:11:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <930530.27108.qm@web35107.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <930530.27108.qm@web35107.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <548E9D60-1DDB-40F5-88CF-284E8E344868@midway.uchicago.edu> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Jeff Shirkey Subject: Re: Trouble Thinking of Loops Beyond the Initial Loop Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2007 20:13:12 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71042 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2007 01:11:26 +0000 (UTC) On Jun 12, 2007, at 6:16 PM, Paul Richards wrote: > That number is low. $85-90K minimum. > Not sure what world you're living in, or what field you're working in. But that's flat out nonsense. jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 13 01:16:55 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AAB213BF0D; Wed, 13 Jun 2007 01:16:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <50489.67.136.237.160.1181697414.squirrel@webmail.zerocrossing.net> In-Reply-To: <548E9D60-1DDB-40F5-88CF-284E8E344868@midway.uchicago.edu> References: <930530.27108.qm@web35107.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <548E9D60-1DDB-40F5-88CF-284E8E344868@midway.uchicago.edu> Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2007 18:16:54 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: Trouble Thinking of Loops Beyond the Initial Loop From: sine@zerocrossing.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.9a MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71043 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2007 01:16:55 +0000 (UTC) World: San Francisco Field: Neurophysics Of course, double the cost of owning a home here, but it's not nonsense. Ridiculous, yes, but that's the economy in the SF Bay area. My guess is that NYC is similar too, as is Boston. > > On Jun 12, 2007, at 6:16 PM, Paul Richards wrote: > >> That number is low. $85-90K minimum. >> > Not sure what world you're living in, or what field you're working > in. But that's flat out nonsense. > > jeff > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 13 01:28:29 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6D10C3BF17; Wed, 13 Jun 2007 01:28:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <50489.67.136.237.160.1181697414.squirrel@webmail.zerocrossing.net> References: <930530.27108.qm@web35107.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <548E9D60-1DDB-40F5-88CF-284E8E344868@midway.uchicago.edu> <50489.67.136.237.160.1181697414.squirrel@webmail.zerocrossing.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Jeff Shirkey Subject: Re: Trouble Thinking of Loops Beyond the Initial Loop Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2007 20:30:14 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71044 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2007 01:28:29 +0000 (UTC) > World: San Francisco > > Field: Neurophysics Well, here's a reality check for you then. Starting professors make about 42-45K max in most of the known universe outside of SF (apparently). I know plenty of academics across the country, NY, Boston, and SF included, and I've never heard of anyone (in the humanities, that is) starting at 90K. Nice to be in your world indeed. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 13 01:53:16 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A59BD3BF04; Wed, 13 Jun 2007 01:53:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2007 21:52:58 -0400 From: Dan Ash Subject: RE: Resetting the Behringer FCB To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <466F4DFA.4040901@Verizon.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.12 (Windows/20070509) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71045 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2007 01:53:16 +0000 (UTC) I had a similar problem with the CC pedal never quite going down to a value of Zero. Reset /recalibration did not help. Messing with the range didn't help. I finally decided to take it apart and that the FCB1010 is cheap enough so that if I destroy it I'll just replace it. Anyway after making sure the gradient optical thingie was clean, successfully bent the bracket holding the LED (or was it the sensor?) to nudge the entire value range downward. Fixed! I also had an FCB button that recently went dead for no reason. I again took it apart, poked around with a screwdriver and screwed it back together. Voila! Success again. I figure I get one more 'freebie' and then I'll be getting another. But 'til then I'm cool. In case anyone's interested, the Ripwerx Java-based editor for the FCB1010 is the way to go - you can see every bank and all the settings at once. Great graphical representation.. The editor allows you to name and save sysex dumps and to load them quickly, so it's a backup utility as well. It includes a reference and a midi monitor so you can see exactly what each pedal is sending. And it's free... I think it's available at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/fcb1010/ Dan Ash White Plains, NY From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 13 02:02:48 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 085DA3BF0D; Wed, 13 Jun 2007 02:02:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <50662.67.136.237.160.1181700165.squirrel@webmail.zerocrossing.net> In-Reply-To: References: <930530.27108.qm@web35107.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <548E9D60-1DDB-40F5-88CF-284E8E344868@midway.uchicago.edu> <50489.67.136.237.160.1181697414.squirrel@webmail.zerocrossing.net> Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2007 19:02:45 -0700 (PDT) Subject: The cost of humanity. From: sine@zerocrossing.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.9a MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71046 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2007 02:02:47 +0000 (UTC) Ah... the key word is "Humanities" My world is nice. (I'm not a professor though, people who do what I do don't make much in that world, so it's the private sector for me) My world also has a very high admittance fee, so it all works out in the end. > > >> World: San Francisco >> >> Field: Neurophysics > > Well, here's a reality check for you then. Starting professors make > about 42-45K max in most of the known universe outside of SF > (apparently). I know plenty of academics across the country, NY, > Boston, and SF included, and I've never heard of anyone (in the > humanities, that is) starting at 90K. Nice to be in your world indeed. > > Jeff > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 13 02:13:18 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 108AD3BF19; Wed, 13 Jun 2007 02:13:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <50665.67.136.237.160.1181700796.squirrel@webmail.zerocrossing.net> In-Reply-To: References: <930530.27108.qm@web35107.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <548E9D60-1DDB-40F5-88CF-284E8E344868@midway.uchicago.edu> <50489.67.136.237.160.1181697414.squirrel@webmail.zerocrossing.net> Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2007 19:13:16 -0700 (PDT) Subject: OT $1.95 synth! From: sine@zerocrossing.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.9a MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71047 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2007 02:13:17 +0000 (UTC) http://www.wusik.com/w/wsgb.html I'm cross posting this here because I think it's great. For so long I've wondered, "Why don't music software companies price like game software?" Sell many units for less. When there's no "box" to ship, it makes total sense. How the hell is Mobius free? Amazing... it's free software I want to pay for. Anyway, I think the synth is well worth the full price of $99, but... $1.95? A steal. I hate gambling, but in this case it's worth it. It's a lottery where your chances of winning go up as more people buy tickets. M From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 13 02:15:40 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 45E603BF13; Wed, 13 Jun 2007 02:15:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <0ae001c7ad60$bb316270$6401a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <009001c7aca1$6d954640$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> <0a9201c7ad44$58137500$6401a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> <50076.67.136.237.160.1181690428.squirrel@webmail.zerocrossing.net> Subject: Re: Trouble Thinking of Loops Beyond the Initial Loop Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2007 20:15:34 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71048 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2007 02:15:40 +0000 (UTC) That's correct. I once was the student member of a tenure committee at a university. Salaries vary wildy depending on field and level of professorship. The highest I've heard in the arts in this neck of the woods was about $90K, for a full professor and tenured, with two doctorates. But in general, I don't think professors makes as much as they deserve, in my opinion...and I would especially make this comments for K-12 teachers. It's amazing what folks get paid for educating the future of our country. Quite pathetic. Kris ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2007 5:20 PM Subject: Re: Trouble Thinking of Loops Beyond the Initial Loop > Depends on your field and location. I know people in the sciences that > make that as post-docs. > >> >> On Jun 12, 2007, at 5:52 PM, Krispen Hartung wrote: >> >>> Cripes, man... you should be teaching at a university, making $70K >>> a year. >> >> Please tell me what universities pay 70K a year, so I can get a job >> there. >> >> Thanks. >> >> Jeff >> >> > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 13 03:18:43 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 44ED63BF0A; Wed, 13 Jun 2007 03:18:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <5.2.1.1.0.20070612200312.00e57698@mail.onemodelplace.com> X-Sender: CaraQuinn@mail.onemodelplace.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.1 Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2007 20:19:39 -0700 To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com From: Cara Quinn Subject: Rogues' Gallery?... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-5AE74CAF Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71049 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2007 03:18:43 +0000 (UTC) Hey All, am wondering what the current rogues' gallery of loopers is like these days?... Am not necessarily referring to the artists themselves, though the shoe may fit! :) -and am certainly a bit curious and interested.... Am actually wondering what the current equip scene is? I'd heard a bit about the Looperlative and such a few months back, and know of the Repeater upgrade, but if someone would be so kind, I'd be most curious to know what sorts of things are out there at the moment that peeps are using?... -Has the scene changed much in the last few years?... -Just looking for sort of a general overview.... Thanks muchly, and have a wonderful evening!... Smiles, CQ --- View my on-line portfolio at: http://www.onemodelplace.com/CaraQuinn "The only things I really think are important, are love, and each other. -Then, anything is possible..." http://home.earthlink.net/~cara-quinn -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 269.8.13/844 - Release Date: 6/11/2007 5:10 PM From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 13 03:42:16 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C7D4E3BF17; Wed, 13 Jun 2007 03:42:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <00b901c7ad6c$d9067220$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "RICK WALKER" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: Trouble Thinking of Loops Beyond the Initial Loop Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2007 20:42:20 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.4 required=1.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,AWL, STOX_REPLY_TYPE,TVD_RCVD_SINGLE autolearn=disabled version=3.2.0 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.0 (2007-05-01) on mail.cruzio.com Resent-Message-ID: <8PtOiC.A.BbC.Ye2bGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71050 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2007 03:42:16 +0000 (UTC) errrrrrr, all this disagreement about professorial salaries aside, I really appreciate the generous sentiment of Kris' original contention starting off this particular thread. He wrote: "Cripes, man... you should be teaching at a university, making $70K a year. Seriously. You're knowledge in this area is amazing." Since I'm bringing down a mind boggling income of about $15k a year (AND trying to live in the heady rent/mortgage environment of the SF Bay Area) it was a really warming thing to have him say. thanks, Rick Walker From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 13 04:02:09 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B7F5E3BF10; Wed, 13 Jun 2007 04:02:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <5.2.1.1.0.20070612210210.00e393b8@mail.onemodelplace.com> X-Sender: CaraQuinn@mail.onemodelplace.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.1 Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2007 21:03:06 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Cara Quinn Subject: Re: Trouble Thinking of Loops Beyond the Initial Loop In-Reply-To: <00b901c7ad6c$d9067220$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-7B58672 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71051 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2007 04:02:09 +0000 (UTC) And I too, support his sentiments!!! Rick, you ROCK!!! :) Smiles, CQ At 08:42 PM 6/12/2007 -0700, you wrote: >errrrrrr, all this disagreement about professorial salaries aside, >I really appreciate the generous sentiment of Kris' original contention >starting >off this particular thread. > >He wrote: >"Cripes, man... you should be teaching at a university, making $70K a year. >Seriously. You're knowledge in this area is amazing." > >Since I'm bringing down a mind boggling income of about $15k a year >(AND trying to live in the heady rent/mortgage environment of the SF Bay >Area) it was a really >warming thing to have him say. > >thanks, Rick Walker > > > > >-- >No virus found in this incoming message. >Checked by AVG Free Edition. >Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 269.8.13/844 - Release Date: 6/11/2007 >5:10 PM --- View my on-line portfolio at: http://www.onemodelplace.com/CaraQuinn "The only things I really think are important, are love, and each other. -Then, anything is possible..." http://home.earthlink.net/~cara-quinn -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 269.8.13/844 - Release Date: 6/11/2007 5:10 PM From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 13 04:08:52 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D79303BF13; Wed, 13 Jun 2007 04:08:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <52071.67.136.237.160.1181707708.squirrel@webmail.zerocrossing.net> In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.0.20070612200312.00e57698@mail.onemodelplace.com> References: <5.2.1.1.0.20070612200312.00e57698@mail.onemodelplace.com> Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2007 21:08:28 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: Rogues' Gallery?... From: sine@zerocrossing.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.9a MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71052 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2007 04:08:52 +0000 (UTC) > Hey All, am wondering what the current rogues' > gallery of loopers is like these days?... Well well well... this last year has been a really interesting and exciting year for me. Unhappy with the Looperlative in it's first incarnation, and tired of waiting for a Repeater update, I took the lead of people here like Per and Krispen and I went with a laptop/mobius looper setup. So far it's been great! The only thing I missed was being able to preset my loop length before recording, like the good ol' JamMan. However, the author of Mobius just released a version that's got this functionality and if I wasn't backstage at a corporate event in Vegas I'd be on it like nobody's business. Basically, for what I paid for the Looperlative I have something with all the looper functionality I'll ever want, plus the ability to run VSTis that are amazing. During this time my wife and I went on a mission to buy a condo, and knowing my studio size would probably not be very large, I had to get rid of a lot of my hardware. The good news is we did buy a condo, my studio isn't much smaller and my software synths are so good I don't miss my old gear at all. The bad news is that between the wedding, homesearch and move, I've not had a lot of time to play this last year, but things are finally calming down and I'm eager to get back in my studio and start making noise. The other exciting thing is that I shaved off about 2 hours from my daily commute that can now go towards looping. Again, I'll say, if you have a PC, something that hosts VSTs, a firewire or faster audio interface and a midi controller, you should explore Mobius. http://www.zonemobius.com Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 13 04:16:28 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 94FFA3BF13; Wed, 13 Jun 2007 04:16:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <5.2.1.1.0.20070612211250.00ddeeb8@mail.onemodelplace.com> X-Sender: CaraQuinn@mail.onemodelplace.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.1 Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2007 21:17:26 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Cara Quinn Subject: Re: Rogues' Gallery?... In-Reply-To: <52071.67.136.237.160.1181707708.squirrel@webmail.zerocross ing.net> References: <5.2.1.1.0.20070612200312.00e57698@mail.onemodelplace.com> <5.2.1.1.0.20070612200312.00e57698@mail.onemodelplace.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-1BB11108 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71053 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2007 04:16:28 +0000 (UTC) Hey Mark, thankie thanks! :) Both for the update on you and yours and for the gear. Very informative, and I truly appreciate it! BTW, was great to meet ya back in 05 at the show you played along with Rick / Bill Walker in Santa Cruz... Don't remember the name of the venue, but do remember the show! :) The place was hip though, :) and the show was fab!!! Smiles, CQ At 09:08 PM 6/12/2007 -0700, you wrote: > > Hey All, am wondering what the current rogues' > > gallery of loopers is like these days?... > >Well well well... this last year has been a really interesting and >exciting year for me. Unhappy with the Looperlative in it's first >incarnation, and tired of waiting for a Repeater update, I took the lead >of people here like Per and Krispen and I went with a laptop/mobius looper >setup. > >So far it's been great! The only thing I missed was being able to preset >my loop length before recording, like the good ol' JamMan. However, the >author of Mobius just released a version that's got this functionality and >if I wasn't backstage at a corporate event in Vegas I'd be on it like >nobody's business. > >Basically, for what I paid for the Looperlative I have something with all >the looper functionality I'll ever want, plus the ability to run VSTis >that are amazing. During this time my wife and I went on a mission to buy >a condo, and knowing my studio size would probably not be very large, I >had to get rid of a lot of my hardware. The good news is we did buy a >condo, my studio isn't much smaller and my software synths are so good I >don't miss my old gear at all. > >The bad news is that between the wedding, homesearch and move, I've not >had a lot of time to play this last year, but things are finally calming >down and I'm eager to get back in my studio and start making noise. The >other exciting thing is that I shaved off about 2 hours from my daily >commute that can now go towards looping. > >Again, I'll say, if you have a PC, something that hosts VSTs, a firewire >or faster audio interface and a midi controller, you should explore >Mobius. > >http://www.zonemobius.com > >Mark > > > > > > >-- >No virus found in this incoming message. >Checked by AVG Free Edition. >Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 269.8.13/844 - Release Date: 6/11/2007 >5:10 PM --- View my on-line portfolio at: http://www.onemodelplace.com/CaraQuinn "The only things I really think are important, are love, and each other. -Then, anything is possible..." http://home.earthlink.net/~cara-quinn -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 269.8.13/844 - Release Date: 6/11/2007 5:10 PM From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 13 04:36:06 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8C4913BEE1; Wed, 13 Jun 2007 04:36:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=hzk0JYRXJT4c6nmkeblohUNX+bsMAEYNoYmwHAlAD54m5e56Jza46BB2BnjD9ER7sJtX0U5wBN8MzDM74phrn4wuSdQ6k6w+Ba81sQELg8n8lD9dmwFD6gM+dTS9hxVck5Xu6XCRjOzGuCQ6Y6fSgpRvxWpF0LuniCog7VjZSS8=; X-YMail-OSG: _8PewTkVM1mQ_oPCqKc_8Vbwq4wffmefnS3CoCd0aZkuZZjtRWbYWc8RlM2BC5kyTltNBfPfKU9jSES1kiuFYpbkGG7G.S50FoLZb7zy6_LRNIhWwX_1lQKj3eS555tcaZKiqg-- Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2007 21:36:04 -0700 (PDT) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: RE: still on the interface quest... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <200706070757437.SM09008@quahome> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <988793.7328.qm@web38606.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: <8txi_C.A._eE.1Q3bGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71054 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2007 04:36:06 +0000 (UTC) while we are on the subject,what compact mixers with firewire to use live would you recomend to record tracks directly into a laptop/software?anybody tried the alesis firewire multimix series?do they really stand up to recording more than 12 channels simultaneously? cheers Luis --- Qua Veda wrote: > I've been *very* happy with the PC (rackmt) that I > bought from PC Audio > Labs. > They optimize the computers for audio and have great > customer service and > support. > I will likely buy a laptop PC (with firewire, and > optimized config) from > them at some point. > http://pcaudiolabs.com/daws_laptop.asp?cat=comp > > -Qua > -----Original Message----- > From: Per Boysen [mailto:perboysen@gmail.com] > Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2007 2:38 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: still on the interface quest... > > On 7 jun 2007, at 00.26, Krispen Hartung wrote: > > > ThinkPad T60p doesn't have firewire...so I would > have to buy a cardbus > > converter. Pisses me off. I am getting the E-MU > 1616 Cardbus for now, > > and am thinking of getting my very first mac next > January (for my 40th > > B-Day). > > See your point. I use both mac and pc laptops and > the ability to natively > power up a firewire interface is one of the things I > like best with the mac. > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > www.looproom.com (international) > http://www.myspace.com/looproom > http://www.jamendo.com/en/artist/per.boysen/ > http://www.jamendo.com/en/artist/lo.fi.lazer/ > > > > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom ____________________________________________________________________________________ Get the Yahoo! toolbar and be alerted to new email wherever you're surfing. http://new.toolbar.yahoo.com/toolbar/features/mail/index.php From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 13 05:13:39 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 211FA3BF10; Wed, 13 Jun 2007 05:13:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <0b2701c7ad79$984400b0$6401a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <988793.7328.qm@web38606.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: still on the interface quest... Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2007 23:13:34 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71055 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2007 05:13:39 +0000 (UTC) With a decent audio interface (multiple channels, good inserts, software mixer, etc), and if you were using a VST host or MAX/MSP, you could record directly to hard disc. I know Chainer did this. Not sure about EnergyXT or Plogue. In my max/msp system, I record directly to wav format, 32 bit. I can record to aif as well. It's a beautiful thing to have a wav file of your performance immediately after you are done. :) ....speaking of my max system, I've been going hog wild on building new patches. I have several granular patches now that kick ass, plus several new pitch, filter. mod, and ring mod patches that have code that generate random changes to parameters of my choice. It's amazing. I chane the rate at which random changes are made, plus the range in the parameters. I'm getting to the point to where I can do everything on max that I originally did with all my sophisticated VSTs, like PSP84, Hipno, monster bag, etc. Kris ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2007 10:36 PM Subject: RE: still on the interface quest... > while we are on the subject,what compact mixers with > firewire to use live would you recomend to record > tracks directly into a laptop/software?anybody tried > the alesis firewire multimix series?do they really > stand up to recording more than 12 channels > simultaneously? > cheers > Luis > > > > --- Qua Veda wrote: > >> I've been *very* happy with the PC (rackmt) that I >> bought from PC Audio >> Labs. >> They optimize the computers for audio and have great >> customer service and >> support. >> I will likely buy a laptop PC (with firewire, and >> optimized config) from >> them at some point. >> http://pcaudiolabs.com/daws_laptop.asp?cat=comp >> >> -Qua >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Per Boysen [mailto:perboysen@gmail.com] >> Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2007 2:38 AM >> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >> Subject: Re: still on the interface quest... >> >> On 7 jun 2007, at 00.26, Krispen Hartung wrote: >> >> > ThinkPad T60p doesn't have firewire...so I would >> have to buy a cardbus >> > converter. Pisses me off. I am getting the E-MU >> 1616 Cardbus for now, >> > and am thinking of getting my very first mac next >> January (for my 40th >> > B-Day). >> >> See your point. I use both mac and pc laptops and >> the ability to natively >> power up a firewire interface is one of the things I >> like best with the mac. >> >> Greetings from Sweden >> >> Per Boysen >> www.boysen.se (Swedish) >> www.looproom.com (international) >> http://www.myspace.com/looproom >> http://www.jamendo.com/en/artist/per.boysen/ >> http://www.jamendo.com/en/artist/lo.fi.lazer/ >> >> >> >> >> > > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > Get the Yahoo! toolbar and be alerted to new email wherever you're > surfing. > http://new.toolbar.yahoo.com/toolbar/features/mail/index.php > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 13 05:57:59 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9BB0B3BF18; Wed, 13 Jun 2007 05:57:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=RtfAWsywg86s9fzz8fMBrArueRRYo10QfwA4UmVLJ8r3hSJOBP8r+lr7rncOo6YH8H0A8NOm+TgRawfg3yH0XmUtkqG1HxTwPjwgAFkg+sA5GKpQ46Tfh4T8Y6McAEeTbN/M+sDnkFSkC4LK5Ou8rjo2UwmWAeeNkTzXaChIW/4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=KUE6fQ0IBusHA7FWUCb+VX65Wdq9PoipPQuVdZAl/gtcmhOkXsbLA0awvXd5P3D7iO34g0oQ9puGDh5yQ5zB1eO4m4zH6h4TitMIDTGniDm+4gxFZ5Rgfq2d97fGN3FYtZqYDRXOvA30FMkovyCKKzyAKSPNx+thZUu3VjBhtfE= Message-ID: <588ce11d0706122257u2a367b8ew368e6ed2500609c0@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2007 22:57:57 -0700 From: "Art Simon" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT $1.95 synth! In-Reply-To: <50665.67.136.237.160.1181700796.squirrel@webmail.zerocrossing.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_14557_33180601.1181714277099" References: <930530.27108.qm@web35107.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <548E9D60-1DDB-40F5-88CF-284E8E344868@midway.uchicago.edu> <50489.67.136.237.160.1181697414.squirrel@webmail.zerocrossing.net> <50665.67.136.237.160.1181700796.squirrel@webmail.zerocrossing.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71056 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2007 05:57:59 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_14557_33180601.1181714277099 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Ok, I'm in! On 6/12/07, sine@zerocrossing.net wrote: > > http://www.wusik.com/w/wsgb.html > > I'm cross posting this here because I think it's great. For so long I've > wondered, "Why don't music software companies price like game software?" > Sell many units for less. When there's no "box" to ship, it makes total > sense. How the hell is Mobius free? Amazing... it's free software I want > to pay for. > > Anyway, I think the synth is well worth the full price of $99, but... > $1.95? A steal. I hate gambling, but in this case it's worth it. It's a > lottery where your chances of winning go up as more people buy tickets. > > M > > -- Art Simon simart@null.net http://art.simon.tripod.com http://www.myspace.com/artsimon ------=_Part_14557_33180601.1181714277099 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Ok, I'm in!

On 6/12/07, sine@zerocrossing.net <sine@zerocrossing.net > wrote:
http://www.wusik.com/w/wsgb.html

I'm cross posting this here because I think it's great.  For so long I've
wondered, "Why don't music software companies price like game software?"
Sell many units for less.  When there's no "box" to ship, it makes total
sense.  How the hell is Mobius free?  Amazing... it's free software I want
to pay for.

Anyway, I think the synth is well worth the full price of $99, but...
$1.95?  A steal.  I hate gambling, but in this case it's worth it.  It's a
lottery where your chances of winning go up as more people buy tickets.

M

--
Art Simon
simart@null.net
http://art.simon.tripod.com
http://www.myspace.com/artsimon ------=_Part_14557_33180601.1181714277099-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 13 07:47:23 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CC50C3BF0D; Wed, 13 Jun 2007 07:47:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=oPMhdkz9Au6wFAwvHMzRqoJR2YzyNAp+g5C8SpwgwTqLW1AWJldDOOlKhC4LgygVtUOYwcId8L4LZ4kwQtmw6jha7w86L65h3T3rXXq0AR5YVZC1T3cwHuYpBjGYhFpjhw3VGaXBoF0dZoQPZ9FPCRqZYlXG7WZucrCcIARXf9U= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=LxU6V56FnP8DyNRMtxIY4bp1up7jcCAlWDzeSCi0EMTNpweF8HWlkRPoFhVU+xdunLjTC4/mvYUy/sbbDEslhBwfFrbTqhDpW4LWiJ4jlp3Pxc+U1d1j+8etJMdsFr6uPBk3yeL6NwcyQ7FDM53k1mi1iABbM737BVTSoxzPS94= Message-ID: Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2007 00:47:21 -0700 From: "Matt Davignon" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Using G-mail: was 'Do we need a forum' In-Reply-To: <014101c7a671$d9fe37a0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <014101c7a671$d9fe37a0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71057 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2007 07:47:23 +0000 (UTC) I'm way behind the curve on this conversation. Instead of using banner advertisements, google has something that gives you text advertisements on the side, based on key words it finds in the body text of your email. So if I write an email about rubber duckies, I may get some ads about collectible wooden ducks, or maybe condoms. But they also have the best spam filter of any email service I've ever used, so all in all I get about 10% of the advertisements I get in hotmail or yahoo, or my non-public work email. By "the man is watching you now", David may mean that any time you post an email to a public email list, the results are searchable on most search engines. Also, if anyone's email account is taking notes on what people write, that would apply to incoming emails as much as outgoing ones. I'm not worried. Think about the huge amount of data storage it would take to keep track of everything that's written in emails. Matt On 6/3/07, RICK WALKER wrote: > It was my understanding when it started up that G-mail mines personal data > from accounts and sells it to interested parties. > > That makes me exceptionally nervous. > > Anyone know what the truth of this matter is? > > yours, Rick Walker > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 13 12:15:49 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5649C3BEFB; Wed, 13 Jun 2007 12:15:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: BreachinThePeace@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2007 08:15:41 EDT Subject: Re: I now "get" the RC-50. To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-----------------------------1181736941" X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5366 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71058 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2007 12:15:49 +0000 (UTC) -------------------------------1181736941 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The RC-50 is the biggest waste of money I have ever made the mistake of investing in. It's cumbersome to say the least in that it's LOADED with useless features. The guide is the most inept feature of all. If you can't keep time with your foot you have no business looping. I always wanted, and had even wrote and suggested the product 10 years ago, a multiple master stereo version of the good old (noisy as hell) Boomerang which IS the only decent floor looper ever made. What a waste of technology and more directly, efficiency. Jeff ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. -------------------------------1181736941 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
The RC-50 is the biggest waste of money I have ever made the mistake of= =20 investing in. It's cumbersome to say the least in that it's LOADED with usel= ess=20 features. The guide is the most inept feature of all. If you can't keep time= =20 with your foot you have no business looping. I always wanted, and had even w= rote=20 and suggested the product 10 years ago, a multiple master stereo version of=20= the=20 good old (noisy as hell) Boomerang which IS the only decent floor looper eve= r=20 made. What a waste of technology and more directly, efficiency.

Jeff

See what's free=20= at AOL.com.
-------------------------------1181736941-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 13 12:53:00 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 377823BEE6; Wed, 13 Jun 2007 12:53:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2007 14:52:58 +0200 (MEST) Message-Id: <200706131252.l5DCqwDY026010@post.webmailer.de> X-Authentication-Warning: teg.store: httpd set sender to rs@moinlabs.de using -f To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" Subject: Re: Rogues' Gallery?... X-Priority: 3 X-Abuse: 512675 / 192.109.190.88 X-RZG-MBID: 0AP3TDtljfgdCQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-RZG-CLASS-ID: em07 Resent-Message-ID: <-LkLjC.A.CBC.ri-bGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71059 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2007 12:53:00 +0000 (UTC) While back in '05 only the dedicated computer weirdos used a laptop, nowada= ys everybody and his brother has one. Apart from that, there's a whole new sweep of stompbox loopers out by Boss = (RC-20/XL, RC-2, RC-50) and Digitech (the Digitech Jamman with its somewhat= confusing name). I'm still thinking about including the Repeater OS update in my big hardwar= e rig, but apart from that it's also laptop for me. (more specifically: Tos= hiba 2100 Sattelite Pro, Presonus Firebox, Behringer BCR2000, Behringer FCB= 1010, Behringer DI20, beyerdynamic headset mic, Sony earplugs, borrowed gui= tar and keyboard (thanks, Bill!) Please find included a short text I wrote on the impression of the y2k6loop= fest, although it's not proofread yet... Rainer This article is about the gear setup people use when playing something like= =85well, the Y2K6 International Live Looping Festival Santa Cruz/CA (www.y2= k6loopfest.com, in case somebody hasn=92t noticed). This article does not c= laim to have any statistical relevance =96 mainly because I was out cold du= ring one day of the main festival and attended the kyberjam on the second. = But here we go: 1.=09Nice Rack: These are the people with a big 19=92=92 equipment rack, which is usually c= omplemented by a choice of foot controllers. Lots of carrying, relatively l= ong setup time, great fun! This may be combined with one or several instrument (guitar) amplifiers (co= mbos or really big ones), and even with some foot pedals. Great examples include Ted Killian, Bill Walker and Mir-O. 2.=09Pedal Board Rider: Lots of pedals (and sometimes not-pedal stuff, like handheld devices) are m= ounted on a big board. One cable goes from the guitar, bass or similar inst= rument into this board, another one (or a pair) goes out to FOH or to an in= strument amp. These are usually slightly lighter than the big racks and much quicker to s= etup, simply because there are so few connections to make. Great examples: Ryussei Hattori, Mando-Man (seems to be a Japanese phenomen= on). 3.=09Laptop Nerd: A laptop, and some other stuff. It makes sense to sub-divide that group int= o two different sub-groups: For one, there are the pure setups. There is the laptop, there are some MMI= elements (foot controller, faderbox), and there is an audio/MIDI interface= . But there are no external effect boxes and no external electronic instrum= ents. More often however you=92ll find group two: hybrid setup where the laptop+M= MI is complemented with one or several =93outlaptop=94 devices. A guitar fl= oorboard, an effects processor or something similar. The nerd crew had shown some tremendous growth in the last year. While in t= he past only dedicated laptopitians would use a laptop-based setup, nowaday= s more and more former users of other setups (mostly rack-users indeed) hav= e switched to laptops. The range of laptops in use ranges from an old 500MH= z G3 up to a maxxed out DuoCore. Great examples: Warren Sirrota, Per Boysen=85and, well, myself. 4.=09Distributed Stuff: Lots of (mostly small) electronic components (like stompboxes, table-top de= vices and perhaps a compact mixer) are brought along in a bag and then set = up on top of a table. This kind of a setup suffers mostly from the rather b= ig amount of cabling necessary when setting up in relation to the number of= devices used. Great examples: Matt Davignon 5.=09Small Stuff: Most of the time one or two integrated stompboxes, sometimes enhanced by an= additional expression pedal etc. Small geometrical size and minimum weight= count here and thus great portability rating. Often it is possible to enti= rely battery-power those setups (a property which they share with most peda= l boards). Great examples: Genie (a distortion stompbox and a DL4), Pushing Air (a bea= uty case (?) in mint green). ----- original Nachricht -------- Betreff: Rogues' Gallery?... Gesendet: Mi, 13. Jun 2007 Von: Cara Quinn > Hey All, am wondering what the current rogues'= =20 > gallery of loopers is like these days?... >=20 > Am not necessarily referring to the artists themselves, though the shoe m= ay >=20 > fit! :) -and am certainly a bit curious and interested.... >=20 > Am actually wondering what the current equip scene is? I'd heard a b= it >=20 > about the Looperlative and such a few months back, and know of the > Repeater upgrade, but if someone would be so kind, I'd be most curious to= =20 > know what sorts of things are out there at the moment that peeps are=20 > using?... -Has the > scene changed much in the last few years?... >=20 > -Just looking for sort of a general overview.... >=20 > Thanks muchly, and have a wonderful evening!... >=20 > Smiles, >=20 > CQ >=20 >=20 > --- > View my on-line portfolio at: >=20 > http://www.onemodelplace.com/CaraQuinn >=20 > "The only things I really think are important, are love, and each=20 > other. -Then, anything is possible..." >=20 > http://home.earthlink.net/~cara-quinn >=20 >=20 > --=20 > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 269.8.13/844 - Release Date: 6/11/2007 > 5:10 PM >=20 >=20 >=20 --- original Nachricht Ende ---- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 13 12:57:40 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0C04D3BF01; Wed, 13 Jun 2007 12:57:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=i3mfW5s1xvX7gHOn4FUIEjlDMwvI98Prfzjk1gRcTI+10JfEGVzRX5dPQU+mNn/+ZXwy+qF1dfNC1/atzLvtwRhpOO/SFCkqzhdM2+4btQYLDAtMOJfppCtzY7rTxgVzWLeq85uW125hf8qMW/fx3v5XrhQ5bLNvmzKPjJ3u9tw=; X-YMail-OSG: a6R5s1kVM1m2ce0sLFgQBOcjxJOIJy33MPbD15kQ.KUOCUH3ZRwhfH7lSHlGM.GyyHuzXAAOZX7NwWeVKJEbYT_FSx9cs7bjI9c_M_yuXBg5S69.XFg_lLxdHMtANw-- Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2007 05:57:38 -0700 (PDT) From: Paul Richards Subject: Re: Trouble Thinking of Loops Beyond the Initial Loop To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1310648033-1181739458=:66012" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <535859.66012.qm@web35115.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71060 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2007 12:57:39 +0000 (UTC) --0-1310648033-1181739458=:66012 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit (humanities) Oh. Try real world disciplines: IT , engineering, et al. Jeff Shirkey wrote: > World: San Francisco > > Field: Neurophysics Well, here's a reality check for you then. Starting professors make about 42-45K max in most of the known universe outside of SF (apparently). I know plenty of academics across the country, NY, Boston, and SF included, and I've never heard of anyone (in the humanities, that is) starting at 90K. Nice to be in your world indeed. Jeff --------------------------------- Get your own web address. Have a HUGE year through Yahoo! Small Business. --0-1310648033-1181739458=:66012 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
(humanities)

Oh. Try real world disciplines: IT , engineering, et al.

Jeff Shirkey <jcshirke@midway.uchicago.edu> wrote:

> World: San Francisco
>
> Field: Neurophysics

Well, here's a reality check for you then. Starting professors make
about 42-45K max in most of the known universe outside of SF
(apparently). I know plenty of academics across the country, NY,
Boston, and SF included, and I've never heard of anyone (in the
humanities, that is) starting at 90K. Nice to be in your world indeed.

Jeff

Get your own web address.
Have a HUGE year through Yahoo! Small Business. --0-1310648033-1181739458=:66012-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 13 13:00:40 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6F7143BF0F; Wed, 13 Jun 2007 13:00:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=d+ju0zt2M99ou5S19J9ik/thzFG8erDIck2fxopY8GhOe/8yFMlJ/lNNdCh7sHGTF5ROvyMvC3uxBV5F8mNInLgO/Z6WU9o2l2nKbsJDgPAPeTWp6wCfbNgQHfWsmlK0X5yYhKPmvdNpngIWkVFtWqU4ZmotgiTHuYFx491BGBg=; X-YMail-OSG: HjSRAZkVM1lOFeCoa0hl.AQuewl1H2grw8763QCh5r_QLWvx60wXOzHJgTHMpIIMoTXrQ_2Mm9yDaP_J1tO0Av09eu.h8O9gUPQxB2ZH2wy.1cMHJi7VF5cQ4YYfvw-- Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2007 06:00:38 -0700 (PDT) From: Paul Richards Subject: Re: Trouble Thinking of Loops Beyond the Initial Loop To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <00b901c7ad6c$d9067220$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-618871016-1181739638=:49276" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <645338.49276.qm@web35110.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71061 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2007 13:00:40 +0000 (UTC) --0-618871016-1181739638=:49276 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit How in the heck do you do it? If I could ever pay off all my creditors, I still couldn't live on that much. BTW, appreciated the tutoring as well. Paul RICK WALKER wrote: errrrrrr, all this disagreement about professorial salaries aside, I really appreciate the generous sentiment of Kris' original contention starting off this particular thread. He wrote: "Cripes, man... you should be teaching at a university, making $70K a year. Seriously. You're knowledge in this area is amazing." Since I'm bringing down a mind boggling income of about $15k a year (AND trying to live in the heady rent/mortgage environment of the SF Bay Area) it was a really warming thing to have him say. thanks, Rick Walker --------------------------------- Yahoo! oneSearch: Finally, mobile search that gives answers, not web links. --0-618871016-1181739638=:49276 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
How in the heck do you do it? If I could ever pay off all my creditors, I still couldn't live on that much.

BTW, appreciated the tutoring as well.

Paul

RICK WALKER <looppool@cruzio.com> wrote:

errrrrrr, all this disagreement about professorial salaries aside,
I really appreciate the generous sentiment of Kris' original contention
starting
off this particular thread.

He wrote:
"Cripes, man... you should be teaching at a university, making $70K a year.
Seriously. You're knowledge in this area is amazing."

Since I'm bringing down a mind boggling income of about $15k a year
(AND trying to live in the heady rent/mortgage environment of the SF Bay
Area) it was a really
warming thing to have him say.

thanks, Rick Walker

Yahoo! oneSearch: Finally, mobile search that gives answers, not web links. --0-618871016-1181739638=:49276-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 13 13:05:43 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DFBB73BEFB; Wed, 13 Jun 2007 13:05:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=WYUt6maDHPli+RMFVP35ZgDmx/EszzH9tc5MeCQmECdse0Js4e+nVLLlMWzxGj+xRaMuQqXRaMfxHgKHF98TNSS02SC1IhdZlHAv9Qn+Pzm3t0AEs8c5h5CFYAUY7M4oRuZX9pDf3WZ/1EtQEm37H8YcxKlOZ66mvQAe+yqWL9k=; X-YMail-OSG: NV5rFq8VM1nBpwYlx001rA5PqNJ7D94ayYr_ytSQHw6Ptg5R8zCFam.JCovg5PX6hX43tVHhW5VaLy9KTaeBjNjTfCkg446rlZ_faHuTX.dZd3_QpbgK9XX_RxBmQg-- Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2007 06:05:40 -0700 (PDT) From: Paul Richards Subject: Re: I now "get" the RC-50. To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-891704608-1181739940=:69090" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <478585.69090.qm@web35101.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71062 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2007 13:05:43 +0000 (UTC) --0-891704608-1181739940=:69090 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I dislike all the button presses I have to make to set up an initial loop's phrases. I know one can copy a saved loop 'environment' to other loops so that the button presses are then not as numerous-maybe I'm lazy... And you need an FS-6 pedal to increment/decrement loops-the function of which should be part of the main pedalboard, IMHO. Kee-rist, it's big enough. P BreachinThePeace@aol.com wrote: The RC-50 is the biggest waste of money I have ever made the mistake of investing in. It's cumbersome to say the least in that it's LOADED with useless features. The guide is the most inept feature of all. If you can't keep time with your foot you have no business looping. I always wanted, and had even wrote and suggested the product 10 years ago, a multiple master stereo version of the good old (noisy as hell) Boomerang which IS the only decent floor looper ever made. What a waste of technology and more directly, efficiency. Jeff --------------------------------- See what's free at AOL.com. --------------------------------- Looking for a deal? Find great prices on flights and hotels with Yahoo! FareChase. --0-891704608-1181739940=:69090 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
I dislike all the button presses I have to make to set up an initial loop's phrases. I know one can copy a saved loop 'environment' to other loops so that the button presses are then not as numerous-maybe I'm lazy...

And you need an FS-6 pedal to increment/decrement loops-the function of which should be part of the main pedalboard, IMHO. Kee-rist, it's big enough.

P

BreachinThePeace@aol.com wrote:

The RC-50 is the biggest waste of money I have ever made the mistake of investing in. It's cumbersome to say the least in that it's LOADED with useless features. The guide is the most inept feature of all. If you can't keep time with your foot you have no business looping. I always wanted, and had even wrote and suggested the product 10 years ago, a multiple master stereo version of the good old (noisy as hell) Boomerang which IS the only decent floor looper ever made. What a waste of technology and more directly, efficiency.

Jeff

See what's free at AOL.com.

Looking for a deal? Find great prices on flights and hotels with Yahoo! FareChase. --0-891704608-1181739940=:69090-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 13 14:07:38 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 327DE3BF00; Wed, 13 Jun 2007 14:07:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <535859.66012.qm@web35115.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <535859.66012.qm@web35115.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <03285866-D513-4E16-B938-ED8832A75281@midway.uchicago.edu> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Jeff Shirkey Subject: Re: Trouble Thinking of Loops Beyond the Initial Loop Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2007 09:09:20 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: <3Q5mpB.A.K2G.po_bGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71063 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2007 14:07:38 +0000 (UTC) On Jun 13, 2007, at 7:57 AM, Paul Richards wrote: > (humanities) > > Oh. Try real world disciplines: IT , engineering, et al. > Pardon? Was that intended for me? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 13 14:28:50 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 409DC3BF0B; Wed, 13 Jun 2007 14:28:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=S6P/A2Ij7bKkN+M/dkgSIFhJFylJRnK24y3u57CXK67GZ20fmKJzlbg6q3DcI9A1o0w+4Df+OtD8HQWrkjEdv1reRuv61KErKhOmfVVonX0sMGzwyo6kDzeyMX8qX2AvIjV2a2PmcL/pdBDHtx1KrQUvyHFVNnH+RyHVb/Fwxc8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=EiFPFXjhslBN69w+2gpF7mqcRaNaTEFAKHH4BkTnxGAgyiQDLSR+hWV1hw5NvTkeGZW3X4R65BtiBnkEMD2NbIkYNUaZqx2h2ycjeZPLxZvhlWdMeULoZaT1baA6o2vcwULYodTx5c0lWvkggBs5MNPaWbPDYB9L1KfkDdrzrOE= Message-ID: Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2007 10:28:47 -0400 From: "Tony K" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Trouble Thinking of Loops Beyond the Initial Loop In-Reply-To: <645338.49276.qm@web35110.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_17161_31585588.1181744927333" References: <00b901c7ad6c$d9067220$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> <645338.49276.qm@web35110.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71064 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2007 14:28:50 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_17161_31585588.1181744927333 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline I have paid off my creditors and still couldn't live on that! Heck, my 83 year old grandmother who does nothing except watch TV can't! (I know, I pay her bills.) Rick must love those Ramen noodles. :) Tony On 6/13/07, Paul Richards wrote: > > How in the heck do you do it? If I could ever pay off all my creditors, I > still couldn't live on that much. > > BTW, appreciated the tutoring as well. > > Paul > > *RICK WALKER * wrote: > > errrrrrr, all this disagreement about professorial salaries aside, > I really appreciate the generous sentiment of Kris' original contention > starting > off this particular thread. > > He wrote: > "Cripes, man... you should be teaching at a university, making $70K a > year. > Seriously. You're knowledge in this area is amazing." > > Since I'm bringing down a mind boggling income of about $15k a year > (AND trying to live in the heady rent/mortgage environment of the SF Bay > Area) it was a really > warming thing to have him say. > > thanks, Rick Walker > > > ------------------------------ > Yahoo! oneSearch: Finally, mobile search that gives answers, > not web links. > > -- -==-=-=- Tony ------=_Part_17161_31585588.1181744927333 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline I have paid off my creditors and still couldn't live on that! Heck, my 83 year old grandmother who does nothing except watch TV can't! (I know, I pay her bills.)

Rick must love those Ramen noodles. :)

Tony

On 6/13/07, Paul Richards <paulrichard_rocks@yahoo.com> wrote:

How in the heck do you do it? If I could ever pay off all my creditors, I still couldn't live on that much.

BTW, appreciated the tutoring as well.

Paul

RICK WALKER <looppool@cruzio.com> wrote:

errrrrrr, all this disagreement about professorial salaries aside,
I really appreciate the generous sentiment of Kris' original contention
starting
off this particular thread.

He wrote:
"Cripes, man... you should be teaching at a university, making $70K a year.
Seriously. You're knowledge in this area is amazing."

Since I'm bringing down a mind boggling income of about $15k a year
(AND trying to live in the heady rent/mortgage environment of the SF Bay
Area) it was a really
warming thing to have him say.

thanks, Rick Walker

Yahoo! oneSearch: Finally, mobile search that gives answers, not web links.

--
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Tony ------=_Part_17161_31585588.1181744927333-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 13 14:39:05 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 15BA73BEFC; Wed, 13 Jun 2007 14:39:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=RccwfGwLg/co+uHaipi/8jikiGP0yskzfW6tIbYEAw4Nd/yY6dyVMAijFT/582HIecqF/oqHb04t9brGP/uDaVLZgCSPD+EBdjOkO47LMenSY8x9GcWrhTfsH3IqAJgdunoErfG2IGgk1SASpPZxWvIbk6RpYuZUzrYAxIf+Guk=; X-YMail-OSG: sxqyPs8VM1mkYB4PWe3UltZsailUrsocF3LxNVnxq8EkuPkyal2GsdBwdD9fID4Yx.k_R8jZQ5_pUdwA.c8Xaqdz1z5nQ1XZSuvWQRcxLIVS5HSLPY3fV3KP5ZIFlA-- Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2007 07:39:03 -0700 (PDT) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: Re: I now "get" the RC-50. To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <756410.62484.qm@web38614.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: <1jAKY.A.BAB.IGAcGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71065 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2007 14:39:05 +0000 (UTC) having the boss rc-2 i can understand some of the frustrations related with the rc-50 from some of you here.I aslo havent warmed up to it really i think the first thing that make the boss loopers feel unatural is the forced quantizise features.And i hate having always to plug one of their switches to do an x-tra simple function!i dont even know if i want to keep this one the only advantage i see is its size,is there another compact stomp box looper like it with no drum machines or quantize outthere that does plain simple record,overdub stop? Luis --- BreachinThePeace@aol.com wrote: > The RC-50 is the biggest waste of money I have ever > made the mistake of > investing in. It's cumbersome to say the least in > that it's LOADED with useless > features. The guide is the most inept feature of > all. If you can't keep time > with your foot you have no business looping. I > always wanted, and had even > wrote and suggested the product 10 years ago, a > multiple master stereo version of > the good old (noisy as hell) Boomerang which IS the > only decent floor looper > ever made. What a waste of technology and more > directly, efficiency. > > Jeff > > > > ************************************** See what's > free at http://www.aol.com. > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom ____________________________________________________________________________________ Shape Yahoo! in your own image. Join our Network Research Panel today! http://surveylink.yahoo.com/gmrs/yahoo_panel_invite.asp?a=7 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 13 14:59:21 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B16353BEFB; Wed, 13 Jun 2007 14:59:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: midifriedchicken@comcast.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: I now "get" the RC-50. Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2007 14:59:16 +0000 Message-Id: <061320071459.5197.467006440009C0CC0000144D2216554886020A050C07080C0B0A079D00070B0703@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Oct 4 2006) X-Authenticated-Sender: bWlkaWZyaWVkY2hpY2tlbkBjb21jYXN0Lm5ldA== MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_5197_1181746756_0" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71066 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2007 14:59:21 +0000 (UTC) --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_5197_1181746756_0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I understand where you're coming from. But in the situation I outlined, it works great. Nobodys time is perfect that the loop is flawless. A drummer playing in time will always drift a little. Even if you are that perfect, you will never hit every loop all night at a gig. But yes, for solo stuff the RC-50 has its issues. -------------- Original message -------------- From: BreachinThePeace@aol.com The RC-50 is the biggest waste of money I have ever made the mistake of investing in. It's cumbersome to say the least in that it's LOADED with useless features. The guide is the most inept feature of all. If you can't keep time with your foot you have no business looping. I always wanted, and had even wrote and suggested the product 10 years ago, a multiple master stereo version of the good old (noisy as hell) Boomerang which IS the only decent floor looper ever made. What a waste of technology and more directly, efficiency. Jeff See what's free at AOL.com. --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_5197_1181746756_0 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
I understand where you're coming from. But in the situation I outlined, it works great. Nobodys time is perfect that the loop is flawless. A drummer playing in time will always drift a little. Even if you are that perfect, you will never hit every loop all night at a gig.

But yes, for solo stuff the RC-50 has its issues.

-------------- Original message --------------
From: BreachinThePeace@aol.com

The RC-50 is the biggest waste of money I have ever made the mistake of investing in. It's cumbersome to say the least in that it's LOADED with useless features. The guide is the most inept feature of all. If you can't keep time with your foot you have no business looping. I always wanted, and had even wrote and suggested the product 10 years ago, a multiple master stereo version of the good old (noisy as hell) Boomerang which IS the only decent floor looper ever made. What a waste of technology and more directly, efficiency.

Jeff

See what's free at AOL.com.
--NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_5197_1181746756_0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 13 15:06:42 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E75C33BF0B; Wed, 13 Jun 2007 15:06:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: References: <00b901c7ad6c$d9067220$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> <645338.49276.qm@web35110.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-5--570949072 Message-Id: From: Richard Sales Subject: Organic spam Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2007 08:06:37 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71067 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2007 15:06:42 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-5--570949072 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Sorry... I had to do it. Not looping, but DEFNITELY loopy. Shot a couple years ago. I WILL start looping live soon. First gig I think will be in July! I'm posting all this old stuff just to sort of clear the decks before Phase #2837894378364323647382784325 rev243.0073 of my music career kicks in. But in the kind time: A NEW GRANDPAPPY TWICE SONG IS UP ON YOUTUBE! The final perversion of quantum physics, the last straw, compared to a combo of Captain Beefheart and Lawrence Welk, the elusive Higgs Bosun of anti pop songs.... The Quantum Mechanic http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8pnFZv3_hyU Wrote it in 1998 A silly modern 'come on over here honey' kind of song based on Quantum Mechanics. Quantum Mechanics? Anyhow, tuba, washboard, drums, french horn and me on guitar and vocals. Here's the link to the entire stash of Grandpappy Twice! Guaranteed to raise a smile: Texas Chainsaw Messiah, Drop Bongs! Not Bombs, Heart Shaped Window, The Quantum Mechanic) http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=grandpappytwice Check 'em out! And thanks for making GPX2 a hit on YouTube! Keep spreading the wonderful words. Thanks again, richard sales glassWing farm and studio vancouver island, b.c. www.glassWing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com --Apple-Mail-5--570949072 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=US-ASCII Sorry... I had to do it. Not looping, but DEFNITELY loopy. Shot a couple years ago. I WILL start looping live soon. First gig I think will be in July! I'm posting all this old stuff just to sort of clear the decks before Phase #2837894378364323647382784325 rev243.0073 of my music career kicks in. But in the kind time: A NEW GRANDPAPPY TWICE SONG IS UP ON YOUTUBE! The final perversion of quantum physics, the last straw, compared to a combo of Captain Beefheart and Lawrence Welk, the elusive Higgs Bosun of anti pop songs.... The Quantum Mechanic http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8pnFZv3_hyU Wrote it in 1998 A silly modern 'come on over here honey' kind of song based on Quantum Mechanics. Quantum Mechanics? Anyhow, tuba, washboard, drums, french horn and me on guitar and vocals. Here's the link to the entire stash of Grandpappy Twice! Guaranteed to raise a smile: Texas Chainsaw Messiah, Drop Bongs! Not Bombs, Heart Shaped Window, The Quantum Mechanic) http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=grandpappytwice Check 'em out! And thanks for making GPX2 a hit on YouTube! Keep spreading the wonderful words. Thanks again, Gadgetrichard sales 7373,7F7F,C5C5glassWing farm and studio vancouver island, b.c. C3C3,9696,1C1Cwww.glassWing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com --Apple-Mail-5--570949072-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 13 15:12:35 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 335163BEFC; Wed, 13 Jun 2007 15:12:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-2--570613750 Message-Id: <46AD3105-9F8C-485D-AEC4-A6CDC7434033@mac.com> From: Teddy Subject: Re: I now "get" the RC-50. Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2007 11:12:12 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) Resent-Message-ID: <7ElbG.A.taD.ilAcGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71068 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2007 15:12:35 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-2--570613750 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Just so people searching the web for looping tool ideas don't get the wrong idea about the RC-50 from an obviously hot headed and out of control person... The RC-50 is a totally different animal from the Boomerang, which is a great looper for sure. I don't know if you actually tried one in real life but... for me... it's a pretty good solution to how I want to loop funky bits and have a drummer play along with me. I use the guide extensively as a way for my drummer to have a click track so my loops don't have to act as one. there's nothing less funky than having one of your loops be stiff so the drummer can follow it. with the guide I can play as swampy and slinky as I want to and the drummer still has something stiff to follow so the whole band sounds right. I use other loopers for pitch/reverse/ambient stuff. the RC-50 is just a great collector of things to loop and turn on and off. If you don't like it, don't buy it. but don't come on here and spout hateful propoganda like this. different loopers work in different situations. period. get used to it. the RC-50 is a great looper for a certain way of looping. Teddy On Jun 13, 2007, at 8:15 AM, BreachinThePeace@aol.com wrote: > The RC-50 is the biggest waste of money I have ever made the > mistake of investing in. It's cumbersome to say the least in that > it's LOADED with useless features. The guide is the most inept > feature of all. If you can't keep time with your foot you have no > business looping. I always wanted, and had even wrote and suggested > the product 10 years ago, a multiple master stereo version of the > good old (noisy as hell) Boomerang which IS the only decent floor > looper ever made. What a waste of technology and more directly, > efficiency. > > Jeff --Apple-Mail-2--570613750 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Just so people searching the web = for looping tool ideas don't get the wrong idea about the RC-50 from an = obviously hot headed and out of control person...

The RC-50 is a totally = different animal from the Boomerang, which is a great looper for = sure.
I don't know if you actually tried one in real life = but...
for me... it's a pretty good solution to how I want to = loop funky bits and have a drummer play along with me.=A0
I = use the guide extensively as a way for my drummer to have a click track = so my loops don't have to act as one.
there's nothing less = funky than having one of your loops be stiff so the drummer can follow = it.
with the guide I can play as swampy and slinky as I want = to and the drummer still has something stiff to follow so the whole band = sounds right.
I use other loopers for pitch/reverse/ambient = stuff.
the RC-50 is just a great collector of things to loop = and turn on and off.

If you don't like it, don't = buy it. but don't come on here and spout hateful propoganda like = this.
different loopers work in different situations. period. = get used to it.
the RC-50 is a great looper for a certain way = of looping.

Teddy

On Jun 13, 2007, at 8:15 AM, BreachinThePeace@aol.com = wrote:

The RC-50 is the biggest = waste of money I have ever made the mistake of investing in. It's = cumbersome to say the least in that it's LOADED with useless features. = The guide is the most inept feature of all. If you can't keep time with = your foot you have no business looping. I always wanted, and had even = wrote and suggested the product 10 years ago, a multiple master stereo = version of the good old (noisy as hell) Boomerang which IS the only = decent floor looper ever made. What a waste of technology and more = directly, efficiency.

To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: NJ Looping Festival - an afterthought In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_23903_15481142.1181748900481" References: <9e0440a60706061358r370fdf72pb26187ca58324ad6@mail.gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71069 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2007 15:35:03 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_23903_15481142.1181748900481 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Ed thanks. That sounds like a good lead. I'm part of some early energy trying to organize this event though I haven't been able to much yet beyond communicate an idea or two. Others involved will probably recognize this name, I'll start researching him. Are you by chance friendly with him or the proghouse? Jim Goodin www.jimgoodinmusic.com www.chinapaintingmusic.com On 6/12/07, ejyuhas wrote: > > Oops, mea culpa=85 > > > > Anyone on this list familiar with the NJProghouse run by Jim Robinson? > > > > He's usually an attendeed at NEARFest, etc. and is no stranger to loopers > and what we do. > > > > He has progressive rock shows in Metuchen, NJ and can hold them in a > small, historic schoolhouse > > or a larger theater where the likes of The Flower Kings and Neal Morse, > etc. have played in the past. > > > > Check it out: http://www.njproghouse.com/ > > > > Regards, > > > > Ed in NJ > --=20 The Acoustic World Guitar of Jim Goodin - http://www.jimgoodinmusic.com MySpace (solo) - http://www.myspace.com/jimgoodinmusic Chinapainting - http://www.chinapaintingmusic.com Chinapainting on My Space - http://www.myspace.com/chinapaintingmusic.com The Jim Goodin label and home for 7 other creative souls - http://www.woodandwiremusic.com Jim Goodin uses GHS Strings - http://www.ghsstrings.com and Seagull Guitars - http://www.seagullguitars.com, Jim Goodin is published by Mel Bay Publications, Inc. - http://www.melbay.com Associates and friends on the web - Daryl Shawn - http://www.swanwelder.com Adam Werner - http://www.adamwerner.com John Stowell - http://www.johnstowell.com Matt Richards - http://www.mattrichardsmusic.net Michael Manring - http://www.manthing.com Will Ackerman - http://www.williamackerman.com New Land Music - http://www.newlandmusic.com ------=_Part_23903_15481142.1181748900481 Content-Type: text/html; charset=WINDOWS-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline
Ed thanks. That sounds like a good lead. I'm part of s= ome early energy trying to organize this event though I haven't been ab= le to much yet beyond communicate an idea or two. Others involved wil= l probably recognize this name, I'll start researching him. = Are you by chance friendly with him or the proghouse?

Jim Goodin

www.jimgoodinmusic.com
www.chinapaintingmusic.c= om

On 6/12/07, = ejyuhas <ejyuhas@earthlink.= net> wrote:

Oops, mea culpa=85

Anyone on this list familiar with t= he NJProghouse run by Jim Robinson?

He's usually an attendeed at NEARFe= st, etc. and is no stranger to loopers and what we do.

He has progressive rock shows in Me= tuchen, NJ and can hold them in a small, historic schoolhouse=

or a larger theater where the likes= of The Flower Kings and Neal Morse, etc. have played in the past.

Check it out: http://www.njproghouse.com/

Regards,

Ed in NJ

--
The Acoustic World = Guitar of Jim Goodin  -=20 http://www.jimgoodinmusic.com=
MySpace (solo) - http= ://www.myspace.com/jimgoodinmusic
Chinapainting -
http://www.chinapaintingmusic.com
Chinapainting on My Space -
http://www.myspace.c= om/chinapaintingmusic.com
The Jim Goodin label and home for 7 other = creative souls -=20 http://www.woodandwiremusic.com=
Jim Goodin uses GHS Strings - http://www.ghsstrings.com and Seagull Guitars - http://www.seagullguitars.com, Jim Goodin is published by Mel Bay Publi= cations, Inc. - http://www.melbay.com=

Associates and friends on the web -
Daryl Shawn -
http://www.swanwelder.com
Adam Werner - http://www.adamwerner.com
John Stowell - http://www.johnstowell.com
Matt Richards - http://www.mattrichardsmusic.net
Michael Manring - http://www.manthing.com
Will Ackerman - http://www.williamackerman.com
N= ew Land Music -=20 http://www.newlandmusic.com=20 ------=_Part_23903_15481142.1181748900481-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 13 15:51:57 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 39B333BEFC; Wed, 13 Jun 2007 15:51:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <061320071459.5197.467006440009C0CC0000144D2216554886020A050C07080C0B0A079D00070B0703@comcast.net> References: <061320071459.5197.467006440009C0CC0000144D2216554886020A050C07080C0B0A079D00070B0703@comcast.net> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-6--568231753 Message-Id: <385aa74054b8861e3979c4d65bd21c4a@glasswing.com> From: Richard Sales Subject: Re: I now "get" the RC-50. Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2007 08:51:54 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71070 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2007 15:51:57 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-6--568231753 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed I don't mind the RC50. But there are issues! (Off the top of my head=20= without thinking about it too much...) 1.) not enough loops. I don't like overdubbing because the levels are=20= hard to control. I might have to work on that, though. 2.) it does something funny to the sound (I THINK it's the RC50 that's=20= doing it. I need to do a study of it. But I think it gates quiet=20 passages.) 3.) I think it's noisy (pretty sure it's the RC 50) 4.) If Teddy is right, sync issues, which I haven't tested yet but,=20 when I get around to it, could be fatal 5.) The built in modeling can't be turned off unless you're going in=20 mic or aux. The modeling thing might be what causes the gating effect=20= I'm hearing. What bothers me most about the modeling is that if and=20 when I change loopers, the whole picture will change. However, I LOVE=20= the sound I'm getting. The nice thing about not enough loops is it forces economy and=20 sometimes economy forces creativity. And also thinking about=20 structure, if structure is a part of your game. And the guide track=20 has forced me to realize that I write a lot in 5 and 7/4. I would have=20= run into that with the sequencer too, but I've been on an anti=20 sequencer jag for a while now. I would never say it's a big waste of money because it's opened up=20 whole new continents of possibility for me, GIANT continents!) but=20 probably any quality sound looper could have done that. At some point=20= I'm sure I'll graduate to a Looperlative, but I need to really study=20 that. I haven't really done any real tests to see if the sound issues are the=20= RC50 or the gizmos I have in the chain. Whenever I sit down to test it=20= I start playing which always carries me away from the world of rational=20= thinking, testing etc. And that by itself is worth much more than 500=20= ducks. richard sales glassWing farm and studio vancouver island, b.c. 800.545.6846 250.752.4816 www.glassWing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com On 13-Jun-07, at 7:59 AM, midifriedchicken@comcast.net wrote: > I understand where you're coming from. But in the situation I=20 > outlined, it works great. Nobodys time is perfect that the loop is=20 > flawless. A drummer playing in time will always drift a little. Even=20= > if you are that perfect, you will never hit every loop all night at a=20= > gig. > But yes, for solo stuff the RC-50 has its issues. > =A0 > -------------- Original message -------------- > From: BreachinThePeace@aol.com >> The RC-50 is the biggest waste of money I have ever made the mistake=20= >> of investing in. It's cumbersome to say the least in that it's LOADED=20= >> with useless features. The guide is the most inept feature of all. If=20= >> you can't keep time with your foot you have no business looping. I=20 >> always wanted, and had even wrote and suggested the product 10 years=20= >> ago, a multiple master stereo version of the good old (noisy as hell)=20= >> Boomerang which IS the only decent floor looper ever made. What a=20 >> waste of technology and more directly, efficiency. >> =A0 >> Jeff >> >> >> >> See what's free at AOL.com.= --Apple-Mail-6--568231753 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=ISO-8859-1 I don't mind the RC50. But there are issues! (Off the top of my head without thinking about it too much...) 1.) not enough loops. I don't like overdubbing because the levels are hard to control. I might have to work on that, though. 2.) it does something funny to the sound (I THINK it's the RC50 that's doing it. I need to do a study of it. But I think it gates quiet passages.) 3.) I think it's noisy (pretty sure it's the RC 50) 4.) If Teddy is right, sync issues, which I haven't tested yet but, when I get around to it, could be fatal 5.) The built in modeling can't be turned off unless you're going in mic or aux. The modeling thing might be what causes the gating effect I'm hearing. What bothers me most about the modeling is that if and when I change loopers, the whole picture will change. However, I LOVE the sound I'm getting. The nice thing about not enough loops is it forces economy and sometimes economy forces creativity. And also thinking about structure, if structure is a part of your game. And the guide track has forced me to realize that I write a lot in 5 and 7/4. I would have run into that with the sequencer too, but I've been on an anti sequencer jag for a while now.=20 I would never say it's a big waste of money because it's opened up whole new continents of possibility for me, GIANT continents!) but probably any quality sound looper could have done that. At some point I'm sure I'll graduate to a Looperlative, but I need to really study that. =20 I haven't really done any real tests to see if the sound issues are the RC50 or the gizmos I have in the chain. Whenever I sit down to test it I start playing which always carries me away from the world of rational thinking, testing etc. And that by itself is worth much more than 500 ducks. Gadgetrichard sales 7373,7F7F,C5C5glassWing farm and studio vancouver island, b.c. 800.545.6846 250.752.4816C3C3,9696,1C1C www.glassWing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com On 13-Jun-07, at 7:59 AM, midifriedchicken@comcast.net wrote: I understand where you're coming from. But in the situation I outlined, it works great. Nobodys time is perfect that the loop is flawless. A drummer playing in time will always drift a little. Even if you are that perfect, you will never hit every loop all night at a gig. But yes, for solo stuff the RC-50 has its issues. =A0 -------------- Original message --------------=20 From: BreachinThePeace@aol.com ArialThe RC-50 is the biggest waste of money I have ever made the mistake of investing in. It's cumbersome to say the least in that it's LOADED with useless features. The guide is the most inept feature of all. If you can't keep time with your foot you have no business looping. I always wanted, and had even wrote and suggested the product 10 years ago, a multiple master stereo version of the good old (noisy as hell) Boomerang which IS the only decent floor looper ever made. What a waste of technology and more directly, = efficiency. Arial=A0 ArialJeff Arial See what's free at = 0000,0000,EEEEAOL.com.= = --Apple-Mail-6--568231753-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 13 16:28:45 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 273F13BEFA; Wed, 13 Jun 2007 16:28:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <46701B36.5020409@biink.com> Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2007 12:28:38 -0400 From: David Beardsley Reply-To: db@biink.com Organization: Biink & SSI User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2 (Windows/20050317) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: NJ Looping Festival - an afterthought References: <9e0440a60706061358r370fdf72pb26187ca58324ad6@mail.gmail.com> <9e0440a60706130835o237002f7i5c35ad47bebddf08@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <9e0440a60706130835o237002f7i5c35ad47bebddf08@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <5qrt7.A.Ng.8sBcGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71071 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2007 16:28:45 +0000 (UTC) Jim Goodin wrote: > Ed thanks. That sounds like a good lead. I'm part of some early > energy trying to organize this event though I haven't been able to > much yet beyond communicate an idea or two. Others involved will > probably recognize this name, I'll start researching him. Are you by > chance friendly with him or the proghouse? Proghouse has been mentioned in this thread before. -- * David Beardsley * microtonal guitar * http://biink.com/db * http://biink.com/poole From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 13 16:40:02 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AC2BC3BEFC; Wed, 13 Jun 2007 16:40:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: loopbozo@comcast.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Trouble Thinking of Loops Beyond the Initial Loop Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2007 16:40:00 +0000 Message-Id: <061320071640.27994.46701DE0000885C400006D5A22070210530196010D9F010104@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Oct 4 2006) X-Authenticated-Sender: bG9vcGJvem9AY29tY2FzdC5uZXQ= MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_27994_1181752800_0" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71072 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2007 16:40:02 +0000 (UTC) --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_27994_1181752800_0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit A working class looper is something to be. bryan helm -- Music and Mosaics bryanhelm.wordpress.com -------------- Original message -------------- From: "RICK WALKER" > errrrrrr, all this disagreement about professorial salaries aside, > I really appreciate the generous sentiment of Kris' original contention > starting > off this particular thread. > > He wrote: > "Cripes, man... you should be teaching at a university, making $70K a year. > Seriously. You're knowledge in this area is amazing." > > Since I'm bringing down a mind boggling income of about $15k a year > (AND trying to live in the heady rent/mortgage environment of the SF Bay > Area) it was a really > warming thing to have him say. > > thanks, Rick Walker > --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_27994_1181752800_0 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
A working class looper is something to be.

                                    bryan helm

--
Music and Mosaics
bryanhelm.wordpress.com

-------------- Original message --------------
From: "RICK WALKER" <looppool@cruzio.com>

> errrrrrr, all this disagreement about professorial salaries aside,
> I really appreciate the generous sentiment of Kris' original contention
> starting
> off this particular thread.
>
> He wrote:
> "Cripes, man... you should be teaching at a university, making $70K a year.
> Seriously. You're knowledge in this area is amazing."
>
> Since I'm bringing down a mind boggling income of about $15k a year
> (AND trying to live in the heady rent/mortgage environment of the SF Bay
> Area) it was a really
> warming thing to have him say.
>
> thanks, Rick Walker
>
--NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_27994_1181752800_0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 13 17:05:12 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AE4493BEC1; Wed, 13 Jun 2007 17:05:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <467023DA.5000408@hevanet.com> Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2007 10:05:30 -0700 From: David Auker User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.12 (Windows/20070509) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: EDP Multiply Question References: <061320071459.5197.467006440009C0CC0000144D2216554886020A050C07080C0B0A079D00070B0703@comcast.net> <385aa74054b8861e3979c4d65bd21c4a@glasswing.com> In-Reply-To: <385aa74054b8861e3979c4d65bd21c4a@glasswing.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71073 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2007 17:05:12 +0000 (UTC) What setting(s) enables Multiply-to-next loop w/o any overdubbing going on? I mostly just want to copy to next loop (overiding any pre-existing material there), and play while that's happening but not overdub at that time. I'm using FCB1010, SwitchQuant=Cnf, AutoRecord=On, LoopCopy=Snd, LoopDelay=Stu. Thnx! David From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 13 17:15:05 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B312E3BEFE; Wed, 13 Jun 2007 17:15:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <5.2.1.1.0.20070613101300.00e2bad8@mail.onemodelplace.com> X-Sender: CaraQuinn@mail.onemodelplace.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.1 Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2007 10:15:34 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Cara Quinn Subject: Re: Trouble Thinking of Loops Beyond the Initial Loop In-Reply-To: <061320071640.27994.46701DE0000885C400006D5A220702105301960 10D9F010104@comcast.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-4C05EBC; boundary="=======AVGMAIL-467026505A22=======" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71074 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2007 17:15:05 +0000 (UTC) --=======AVGMAIL-467026505A22======= Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=====================_474065209==.ALT"; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-4C05EBC --=====================_474065209==.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-4C05EBC Ah, Bryan, have finally captured yer' email addie! lol! Gotcha! :) Nice to see ya here! I just rejoined after way way way long!!!... Remember, smile and breathe! :) Smiles, CQ :) At 04:40 PM 6/13/2007 +0000, you wrote: >A working class looper is something to be. > > bryan helm > >-- >Music and Mosaics >bryanhelm.wordpress.com > >-------------- Original message -------------- >From: "RICK WALKER" > > > errrrrrr, all this disagreement about professorial salaries aside, > > I really appreciate the generous sentiment of Kris' original contention > > starting > > off this particular thread. > > > > He wrote: > > "Cripes, man... you should be teaching at a university, making $70K a > year. > > Seriously. You're knowledge in this area is amazing." > > > > Since I'm bringing down a mind boggling income of about $15k a year > > (AND trying to live in the heady rent/mortgage environment of the SF Bay > > Area) it was a really > > warming thing to have him say. > > > > thanks, Rick Walker > > > > > >No virus found in this incoming message. >Checked by AVG Free Edition. >Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 269.8.13/844 - Release Date: 6/11/2007 >5:10 PM --- View my on-line portfolio at: http://www.onemodelplace.com/CaraQuinn "The only things I really think are important, are love, and each other. -Then, anything is possible..." http://home.earthlink.net/~cara-quinn --=====================_474065209==.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-4C05EBC Ah, Bryan, have finally captured yer' email addie! lol! Gotcha! :)

Nice to see ya here! I just rejoined after way way way long!!!...

Remember, smile and breathe! :)

Smiles,

CQ :)

At 04:40 PM 6/13/2007 +0000, you wrote:

A working class looper is something to be.

                                    bryan helm

--
Music and Mosaics
bryanhelm.wordpress.com

-------------- Original message --------------

From: "RICK WALKER" <looppool@cruzio.com>

> errrrrrr, all this disagreement about professorial salaries aside,

> I really appreciate the generous sentiment of Kris' original contention

> starting

> off this particular thread.

>

> He wrote:

> "Cripes, man... you should be teaching at a university, making $70K a year.

> Seriously. You're knowledge in this area is amazing."

>

> Since I'm bringing down a mind boggling income of about $15k a year

> (AND trying to live in the heady rent/mortgage environment of the SF Bay

> Area) it was a really

> warming thing to have him say.

>

> thanks, Rick Walker

>

No virus found in this incoming message.
Checked by AVG Free Edition.
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Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 269.8.13/844 - Release Date: 6/11/2007 5:= 10 PM --=======AVGMAIL-467026505A22=======-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 13 18:00:45 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 33F613BEFA; Wed, 13 Jun 2007 18:00:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: <385aa74054b8861e3979c4d65bd21c4a@glasswing.com> References: <061320071459.5197.467006440009C0CC0000144D2216554886020A050C07080C0B0A079D00070B0703@comcast.net> <385aa74054b8861e3979c4d65bd21c4a@glasswing.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-7--560546673 Message-Id: <4EA73890-0E89-44E3-B829-F3566AE83D50@mac.com> From: Teddy Subject: Re: I now "get" the RC-50. Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2007 13:59:59 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71075 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2007 18:00:45 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-7--560546673 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Hi Richard, not enough loops as in not enough drum patterns? or not enough places to save loops? the levels are not hard to control if you set them all at unity and save it as a default patch. I think that is the thing about the RC-50. It's pretty flexible, which can be a problem for some. Once you understand that you'll be setting it up how you like it, then saving a default patch with those settings and always using that as a start patch, I think the thing is pretty darn good. As far as sync, we have some new people chiming in that it works fine if it is the master. I haven't tried it that way as I don't have anything to use with it. So that scenario might be fine. noisy? didn't notice that. can't turn modeling off? you mean like the built in flat amp simulator? that only works on the mic or aux, so it's not an issue with the main guitar input. it doesn't gate quiet passages here. It is flawless in sound quality. Teddy On Jun 13, 2007, at 11:51 AM, Richard Sales wrote: > I don't mind the RC50. But there are issues! (Off the top of my > head without thinking about it too much...) > > 1.) not enough loops. I don't like overdubbing because the levels > are hard to control. I might have to work on that, though. > 2.) it does something funny to the sound (I THINK it's the RC50 > that's doing it. I need to do a study of it. But I think it gates > quiet passages.) > 3.) I think it's noisy (pretty sure it's the RC 50) > 4.) If Teddy is right, sync issues, which I haven't tested yet but, > when I get around to it, could be fatal > 5.) The built in modeling can't be turned off unless you're going > in mic or aux. The modeling thing might be what causes the gating > effect I'm hearing. What bothers me most about the modeling is > that if and when I change loopers, the whole picture will change. > However, I LOVE the sound I'm getting. > > The nice thing about not enough loops is it forces economy and > sometimes economy forces creativity. And also thinking about > structure, if structure is a part of your game. And the guide > track has forced me to realize that I write a lot in 5 and 7/4. I > would have run into that with the sequencer too, but I've been on > an anti sequencer jag for a while now. > > I would never say it's a big waste of money because it's opened up > whole new continents of possibility for me, GIANT continents!) but > probably any quality sound looper could have done that. At some > point I'm sure I'll graduate to a Looperlative, but I need to > really study that. > > I haven't really done any real tests to see if the sound issues are > the RC50 or the gizmos I have in the chain. Whenever I sit down to > test it I start playing which always carries me away from the world > of rational thinking, testing etc. And that by itself is worth > much more than 500 ducks. > > richard sales > > On 13-Jun-07, at 7:59 AM, midifriedchicken@comcast.net wrote: > >> I understand where you're coming from. But in the situation I >> outlined, it works great. Nobodys time is perfect that the loop is >> flawless. A drummer playing in time will always drift a little. >> Even if you are that perfect, you will never hit every loop all >> night at a gig. >> But yes, for solo stuff the RC-50 has its issues. >> >> -------------- Original message -------------- >> From: BreachinThePeace@aol.com >>> The RC-50 is the biggest waste of money I have ever made the >>> mistake of investing in. It's cumbersome to say the least in that >>> it's LOADED with useless features. The guide is the most inept >>> feature of all. If you can't keep time with your foot you have no >>> business looping. I always wanted, and had even wrote and >>> suggested the product 10 years ago, a multiple master stereo >>> version of the good old (noisy as hell) Boomerang which IS the >>> only decent floor looper ever made. What a waste of technology >>> and more directly, efficiency. >>> >>> Jeff --Apple-Mail-7--560546673 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hi Richard,

not enough loops as in not = enough drum patterns? or not enough places to save loops?

the levels are not hard to = control if you set them all at unity and save it as a default = patch.
I think that is the thing about the RC-50. It's pretty = flexible, which can be a problem for some.
Once you understand = that you'll be setting it up how you like it, then saving a default = patch with those settings and always using that as a start patch, I = think the thing is pretty darn good.

As far as sync, we have = some new people chiming in that it works fine if it is the = master.
I haven't tried it that way as I don't have anything = to use with it.
So that scenario might be fine.

noisy? didn't notice = that.
can't turn modeling off? you mean like the built in flat = amp simulator? that only works on the mic or aux, so it's not an issue = with the main guitar input.
it doesn't gate quiet passages = here. It is flawless in sound quality.

Teddy

On Jun 13, 2007, at 11:51 AM, Richard Sales wrote:

I don't mind the RC50.=A0 But there are issues!=A0 (Off the top of my head = without thinking about it too much...)

1.) not enough loops.=A0 = I don't like overdubbing because the levels are hard to = control.=A0 I might have to = work on that, though.
2.) it does something funny to the sound (I THINK it's the RC50 = that's doing it.=A0 I need = to do a study of it. But I think it gates quiet = passages.)
3.) I think it's noisy = (pretty sure it's the RC 50)
4.) If Teddy is right, sync issues, which I haven't tested yet = but, when I get around to it, could be fatal
5.) The built in modeling can't be turned off = unless you're going in mic or aux.=A0= The modeling thing might be what causes the gating effect I'm = hearing.=A0 What bothers me = most about the modeling is that if and when I change loopers, the whole = picture will change.=A0 = However, I LOVE the sound I'm getting.

The nice thing about not enough loops is it forces economy and = sometimes economy forces creativity.=A0 And also thinking about = structure, if structure is a part of your game.=A0 And the guide track has = forced me to realize that I write a lot in 5 and 7/4.=A0 I would have run into that = with the sequencer too, but I've been on an anti sequencer jag for a = while now.=A0

I = would never say it's a big waste of money because it's opened up whole = new continents of possibility for me, GIANT continents!) but probably = any quality sound looper could have done that.=A0 At some point I'm sure I'll = graduate to a Looperlative, but I need to really study that. =A0

I = haven't really done any real tests to see if the sound issues are the = RC50 or the gizmos I have in the chain.=A0 Whenever I sit down to test = it I start playing which always carries me away from the world of = rational thinking, testing etc. =A0 = And that by itself is worth much more than 500 = ducks.

richard sales

On 13-Jun-07, at 7:59 AM, midifriedchicken@comcast.net<= /A> wrote:

I understand where = you're coming from. But in the situation I outlined, it works great. = Nobodys time is perfect that the loop is flawless. A drummer playing in = time will always drift a little. Even if you are that perfect, you will = never hit every loop all night at a gig.
But yes, for solo stuff the RC-50 has its = issues.
=A0
-------------- Original = message --------------=A0
From: BreachinThePeace@aol.com

The RC-50 is the = biggest waste of money I have ever made the mistake of investing in. = It's cumbersome to say the least in that it's LOADED with useless = features. The guide is the most inept feature of all. If you can't keep = time with your foot you have no business looping. I always wanted, and = had even wrote and suggested the product 10 years ago, a multiple master = stereo version of the good old (noisy as hell) Boomerang which IS the = only decent floor looper ever made. What a waste of technology and more = directly, efficiency.
=A0
Jeff
=

= --Apple-Mail-7--560546673-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 13 18:25:41 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 39F023BEFC; Wed, 13 Jun 2007 18:25:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <4EA73890-0E89-44E3-B829-F3566AE83D50@mac.com> References: <061320071459.5197.467006440009C0CC0000144D2216554886020A050C07080C0B0A079D00070B0703@comcast.net> <385aa74054b8861e3979c4d65bd21c4a@glasswing.com> <4EA73890-0E89-44E3-B829-F3566AE83D50@mac.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1--559022665 Message-Id: From: Richard Sales Subject: Re: I now "get" the RC-50. Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2007 11:25:23 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71076 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2007 18:25:41 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-1--559022665 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Thanks Teddy Yeah... I know I need to do some more homework on it. What I wanna do is be able to have three patches of guitar and then add=20= percussion on new loopable tracks live. I could possibly do that in=20 overdub but it seems, or so far it seems, that controlling the volume=20 in or out of the overdubs is tricky. And some of the guitar patches I=20= have in it I don't wanna have to do over again because they're complex=20= etc. Have you figured out a way to load from storage particular patches from=20= the computer? That's good news on the modeling thing. It never bothered me before=20 but once I got the idea in my head that it was changing the sound of=20 the guitar it bummed me out because I liked the sound so much and=20 didn't wanna lose it should I ever migrate to a different looper. I don't think I'm gonna do that anytime soon. But if I can't find a=20 solution to the inability to loop percussion over existing parts I may=20= have to buy another RC50 or a looperlative or something else. I do=20 like the quantize thing and the ability to punch a track to enter when=20= the existing loop is done. Not sure if looperlative does that. Might have to bite the bullet and get into Ableton. Thanks so much for the info. I'm glad there are smart people out there=20= using these things! richard sales glassWing farm and studio vancouver island, b.c. 800.545.6846 250.752.4816 www.glassWing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com On 13-Jun-07, at 10:59 AM, Teddy wrote: > Hi Richard, > > not enough loops as in not enough drum patterns? or not enough places=20= > to save loops? > > the levels are not hard to control if you set them all at unity and=20 > save it as a default patch. > I think that is the thing about the RC-50. It's pretty flexible, which=20= > can be a problem for some. > Once you understand that you'll be setting it up how you like it, then=20= > saving a default patch with those settings and always using that as a=20= > start patch, I think the thing is pretty darn good. > > As far as sync, we have some new people chiming in that it works fine=20= > if it is the master. > I haven't tried it that way as I don't have anything to use with it. > So that scenario might be fine. > > noisy? didn't notice that. > can't turn modeling off? you mean like the built in flat amp=20 > simulator? that only works on the mic or aux, so it's not an issue=20 > with the main guitar input. > it doesn't gate quiet passages here. It is flawless in sound quality. > > Teddy > > On Jun 13, 2007, at 11:51 AM, Richard Sales wrote: > >> I don't mind the RC50. But there are issues! (Off the top of my head=20= >> without thinking about it too much...) >> >> 1.) not enough loops. I don't like overdubbing because the levels are=20= >> hard to control. I might have to work on that, though. >> 2.) it does something funny to the sound (I THINK it's the RC50=20 >> that's doing it. I need to do a study of it. But I think it gates=20 >> quiet passages.) >> 3.) I think it's noisy (pretty sure it's the RC 50) >> 4.) If Teddy is right, sync issues, which I haven't tested yet but,=20= >> when I get around to it, could be fatal >> 5.) The built in modeling can't be turned off unless you're going in=20= >> mic or aux. The modeling thing might be what causes the gating effect=20= >> I'm hearing. What bothers me most about the modeling is that if and=20= >> when I change loopers, the whole picture will change. However, I LOVE=20= >> the sound I'm getting. >> >> The nice thing about not enough loops is it forces economy and=20 >> sometimes economy forces creativity. And also thinking about=20 >> structure, if structure is a part of your game. And the guide track=20= >> has forced me to realize that I write a lot in 5 and 7/4. I would=20 >> have run into that with the sequencer too, but I've been on an anti=20= >> sequencer jag for a while now. >> >> I would never say it's a big waste of money because it's opened up=20 >> whole new continents of possibility for me, GIANT continents!) but=20 >> probably any quality sound looper could have done that. At some point=20= >> I'm sure I'll graduate to a Looperlative, but I need to really study=20= >> that. >> >> I haven't really done any real tests to see if the sound issues are=20= >> the RC50 or the gizmos I have in the chain. Whenever I sit down to=20 >> test it I start playing which always carries me away from the world=20= >> of rational thinking, testing etc. And that by itself is worth much=20= >> more than 500 ducks. >> >> richard sales >> >> On 13-Jun-07, at 7:59 AM, midifriedchicken@comcast.net wrote: >> >>> I understand where you're coming from. But in the situation I=20 >>> outlined, it works great. Nobodys time is perfect that the loop is=20= >>> flawless. A drummer playing in time will always drift a little. Even=20= >>> if you are that perfect, you will never hit every loop all night at=20= >>> a gig. >>> But yes, for solo stuff the RC-50 has its issues. >>> =A0 >>> -------------- Original message -------------- >>> From: BreachinThePeace@aol.com >>>> The RC-50 is the biggest waste of money I have ever made the=20 >>>> mistake of investing in. It's cumbersome to say the least in that=20= >>>> it's LOADED with useless features. The guide is the most inept=20 >>>> feature of all. If you can't keep time with your foot you have no=20= >>>> business looping. I always wanted, and had even wrote and suggested=20= >>>> the product 10 years ago, a multiple master stereo version of the=20= >>>> good old (noisy as hell) Boomerang which IS the only decent floor=20= >>>> looper ever made. What a waste of technology and more directly,=20 >>>> efficiency. >>>> =A0 >>>> Jeff --Apple-Mail-1--559022665 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=ISO-8859-1 Thanks Teddy Yeah... I know I need to do some more homework on it.=20 What I wanna do is be able to have three patches of guitar and then add percussion on new loopable tracks live. I could possibly do that in overdub but it seems, or so far it seems, that controlling the volume in or out of the overdubs is tricky. And some of the guitar patches I have in it I don't wanna have to do over again because they're complex etc. =20 Have you figured out a way to load from storage particular patches from the computer?=20 That's good news on the modeling thing. It never bothered me before but once I got the idea in my head that it was changing the sound of the guitar it bummed me out because I liked the sound so much and didn't wanna lose it should I ever migrate to a different looper.=20 I don't think I'm gonna do that anytime soon. But if I can't find a solution to the inability to loop percussion over existing parts I may have to buy another RC50 or a looperlative or something else. I do like the quantize thing and the ability to punch a track to enter when the existing loop is done. Not sure if looperlative does that. =20 Might have to bite the bullet and get into Ableton. =20 Thanks so much for the info. I'm glad there are smart people out there using these things! Gadgetrichard sales 7373,7F7F,C5C5glassWing farm and studio vancouver island, b.c. 800.545.6846 250.752.4816C3C3,9696,1C1C www.glassWing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com On 13-Jun-07, at 10:59 AM, Teddy wrote: Hi Richard, not enough loops as in not enough drum patterns? or not enough places to save loops? the levels are not hard to control if you set them all at unity and save it as a default patch. I think that is the thing about the RC-50. It's pretty flexible, which can be a problem for some. Once you understand that you'll be setting it up how you like it, then saving a default patch with those settings and always using that as a start patch, I think the thing is pretty darn good. As far as sync, we have some new people chiming in that it works fine if it is the master. I haven't tried it that way as I don't have anything to use with it. So that scenario might be fine. noisy? didn't notice that. can't turn modeling off? you mean like the built in flat amp simulator? that only works on the mic or aux, so it's not an issue with the main guitar input. it doesn't gate quiet passages here. It is flawless in sound quality. Teddy On Jun 13, 2007, at 11:51 AM, Richard Sales wrote: Lucida GrandeI don't mind the RC50. But there are issues! (Off the top of my head without thinking about it too much...) Lucida Grande1.) not enough loops. I don't like overdubbing because the levels are hard to control. I might have to work on that, though. Lucida Grande2.) it does something funny to the sound (I THINK it's the RC50 that's doing it. I need to do a study of it. But I think it gates quiet passages.) Lucida Grande3.) I think it's noisy (pretty sure it's the RC 50) Lucida Grande4.) If Teddy is right, sync issues, which I haven't tested yet but, when I get around to it, could be fatal Lucida Grande5.) The built in modeling can't be turned off unless you're going in mic or aux. The modeling thing might be what causes the gating effect I'm hearing. What bothers me most about the modeling is that if and when I change loopers, the whole picture will change. However, I LOVE the sound I'm = getting. Lucida GrandeThe nice thing about not enough loops is it forces economy and sometimes economy forces creativity. And also thinking about structure, if structure is a part of your game. And the guide track has forced me to realize that I write a lot in 5 and 7/4. I would have run into that with the sequencer too, but I've been on an anti sequencer jag for a while now. = Lucida GrandeI would never say it's a big waste of money because it's opened up whole new continents of possibility for me, GIANT continents!) but probably any quality sound looper could have done that. At some point I'm sure I'll graduate to a Looperlative, but I need to really study that. Lucida GrandeI haven't really done any real tests to see if the sound issues are the RC50 or the gizmos I have in the chain. Whenever I sit down to test it I start playing which always carries me away from the world of rational thinking, testing etc. And that by itself is worth much more than 500 ducks. Lucida Granderichard sales Lucida GrandeOn 13-Jun-07, at 7:59 AM, 0000,0000,EEEEmidifriedchicken@comcast.net wrote: Lucida GrandeI understand where you're coming from. But in the situation I outlined, it works great. Nobodys time is perfect that the loop is flawless. A drummer playing in time will always drift a little. Even if you are that perfect, you will never hit every loop all night at a gig. Lucida GrandeBut yes, for solo stuff the RC-50 has its issues. Lucida Grande=A0 Lucida Grande-------------- Original message -------------- Lucida GrandeFrom: = 0000,0000,EEEEBreachinThePeace@aol.com ArialThe RC-50 is the biggest waste of money I have ever made the mistake of investing in. It's cumbersome to say the least in that it's LOADED with useless features. The guide is the most inept feature of all. If you can't keep time with your foot you have no business looping. I always wanted, and had even wrote and suggested the product 10 years ago, a multiple master stereo version of the good old (noisy as hell) Boomerang which IS the only decent floor looper ever made. What a waste of technology and more directly, = efficiency. Arial=A0 ArialJeff = --Apple-Mail-1--559022665-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 13 18:28:05 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 87AC83BEE2; Wed, 13 Jun 2007 18:28:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <46703730.2060600@biink.com> Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2007 14:28:00 -0400 From: David Beardsley Reply-To: db@biink.com Organization: Biink & SSI User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2 (Windows/20050317) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 Cc: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: NJ Looping Festival - an afterthought References: <9e0440a60706061358r370fdf72pb26187ca58324ad6@mail.gmail.com> <9e0440a60706130835o237002f7i5c35ad47bebddf08@mail.gmail.com> <46701B36.5020409@biink.com> In-Reply-To: <46701B36.5020409@biink.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71077 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2007 18:28:05 +0000 (UTC) Currently, we're awaiting our own web site with a possible forum to continue discussions about this festival. -- * David Beardsley * microtonal guitar * http://biink.com/db * http://biink.com/poole From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 13 19:15:59 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 685C23BEF6; Wed, 13 Jun 2007 19:15:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: OT $1.95 synth! Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2007 14:15:58 -0500 Message-ID: <3B760999C264454D82652640BB74075C370E2B@keel.sailpoint.com> In-Reply-To: <588ce11d0706122257u2a367b8ew368e6ed2500609c0@mail.gmail.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: OT $1.95 synth! thread-index: Acetf8zeDg5UFmZIT1CJdeKyu8KR1gAbdO7g References: <930530.27108.qm@web35107.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <548E9D60-1DDB-40F5-88CF-284E8E344868@midway.uchicago.edu> <50489.67.136.237.160.1181697414.squirrel@webmail.zerocrossing.net> <50665.67.136.237.160.1181700796.squirrel@webmail.zerocrossing.net> <588ce11d0706122257u2a367b8ew368e6ed2500609c0@mail.gmail.com> From: "Jeff Larson" To: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71078 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2007 19:15:59 +0000 (UTC) > For so long I've wondered, "Why don't music software companies price > like game software?" Sell many units for less. =20 =20 Because the size of the markets aren't even close to the same. I don't have any hard data, but I'd be surprised if the number of units of game software sold isn't at least a hundred times larger than the number of units of music software. You can't "make it up in volume" if there is no volume. =20 > How the hell is Mobius free? =20 I only do it to meet girls. =20 Anyway, I think the synth is well worth the full price of $99, but... > $1.95? A steal. =20 =20 Frankly I think this is a clever but dangerous marketing gimick. They aren't going to sell 150,000 of these. But they may get 50,000 people to pay a non-refundable $2 deposit. What happens if only 149,950 people pay their deposit. Oops sorry, we didn't make it to 150,000 so you lose. If they actually think they can get close to this number this is a huge marketing risk that may backfire. =20 Their analysis of the market size doesn't show much thought. "All in all there must be over 10 million VST users around the globe" is just a wild guess. But even if we believed that, the VSTi market is extremely crowded. Hell there are probably 150,000 VSTi's available, half of them free.=20 A mistake a lot of software developers make (not just in music software) is thinking it is all about cost. People are willing to pay for quality, but they have to know something exists, and that thing has to be somehow different than the things they already own. =20 I wish them well, but they show all the signs of being a group of talented engineers that know nothing about marketing. =20 Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 13 19:34:49 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 62CBF3BF04; Wed, 13 Jun 2007 19:34:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <3B760999C264454D82652640BB74075C370E2B@keel.sailpoint.com> References: <930530.27108.qm@web35107.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <548E9D60-1DDB-40F5-88CF-284E8E344868@midway.uchicago.edu> <50489.67.136.237.160.1181697414.squirrel@webmail.zerocrossing.net> <50665.67.136.237.160.1181700796.squirrel@webmail.zerocrossing.net> <588ce11d0706122257u2a367b8ew368e6ed2500609c0@mail.gmail.com> <3B760999C264454D82652640BB74075C370E2B@keel.sailpoint.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1--554862051 Message-Id: From: Richard Sales Subject: Re: OT $1.95 synth! Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2007 12:34:44 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71079 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2007 19:34:49 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-1--554862051 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Back in the day of analogue synths, like mid eighties, I heard that the market (moneys in) for synths all together equalled the market of one big Safeway. And that was when a good synth cost big bucks. richard sales glassWing farm and studio vancouver island, b.c. 800.545.6846 250.752.4816 www.glassWing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com On 13-Jun-07, at 12:15 PM, Jeff Larson wrote: > >> For so long I've wondered, "Why don't music software companies price >> like game software?" Sell many units for less. > > Because the size of the markets aren't even close to the same. I > don't have any hard data, but I'd be surprised if the number of units > of game software sold isn't at least a hundred times larger than the > number of units of music software. You can't "make it up in volume" > if there is no volume. --Apple-Mail-1--554862051 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=US-ASCII Back in the day of analogue synths, like mid eighties, I heard that the market (moneys in) for synths all together equalled the market of one big Safeway. And that was when a good synth cost big bucks. Gadgetrichard sales 7373,7F7F,C5C5glassWing farm and studio vancouver island, b.c. 800.545.6846 250.752.4816C3C3,9696,1C1C www.glassWing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com On 13-Jun-07, at 12:15 PM, Jeff Larson wrote: For so long I've wondered, "Why don't music software companies price like game software?" Sell many units for less. Because the size of the markets aren't even close to the same. I don't have any hard data, but I'd be surprised if the number of units of game software sold isn't at least a hundred times larger than the number of units of music software. You can't "make it up in volume" if there is no volume. --Apple-Mail-1--554862051-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 13 19:46:05 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B01763BF12; Wed, 13 Jun 2007 19:46:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=AHfyGraxNOVxDKMuveuTwTG2sHlPblZrsrryPqENHyzOGIjGCPDN0N4jqZIs3Ppz4jbqBpAIQXNLCWb7TlaqqmUAsUih6oj1wfDM9+6ZLkysRJ2l+2t+1zPJuYVKD8wmgK8nwzwCMRYTd/S6J9ry+6JNh97KAlrZ2/9n7cJ/U54= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=GrxQgSirawnp0XUuc30cpUJaC0jfkkywGk5CxGVxlZ+Qw3qpHn1OzG65x9fpk8FKSBCS/bgNqBWy+qa2VuOq05WFrUsFTP6s25Jk6om+FTHEEEhpvV3ESLndpm2valXMjWzPGBSQqRwxJKR4sVsi45+6QC0qUG2aNvAgN7BPEAs= Message-ID: Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2007 15:46:03 -0400 From: "Tony K" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT $1.95 synth! In-Reply-To: <3B760999C264454D82652640BB74075C370E2B@keel.sailpoint.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_21070_15361604.1181763963685" References: <930530.27108.qm@web35107.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <548E9D60-1DDB-40F5-88CF-284E8E344868@midway.uchicago.edu> <50489.67.136.237.160.1181697414.squirrel@webmail.zerocrossing.net> <50665.67.136.237.160.1181700796.squirrel@webmail.zerocrossing.net> <588ce11d0706122257u2a367b8ew368e6ed2500609c0@mail.gmail.com> <3B760999C264454D82652640BB74075C370E2B@keel.sailpoint.com> Resent-Message-ID: <0ZDLdB.A.yTG.9lEcGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71080 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2007 19:46:05 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_21070_15361604.1181763963685 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline First off, Wuskstation is very very nice. Makes nice ambient textures. I played with the demo and a friend of mine bought it. Good stuff. Like Jeff, I think they are a bit off in the marketing. Assuming the DO manage this, they'd make roughly $300,000. I think they'd be way more likely to sell 15,000 copies at $20 each. Or 10,000 at $30... but 150,000 users? I think that's a tad high. But, for their sake, I hope we are wrong. And some music software companies do price their stuff pretty low. Tunafish (Brambos.com) is $35, I think, but he's not selling enough to support himself. Selling software is tough. Very tough. I've worked for enough startups to know that even if you have a great idea, that's not enough. Tony On 6/13/07, Jeff Larson wrote: > > > > For so long I've wondered, "Why don't music software companies price > > like game software?" Sell many units for less. > > Because the size of the markets aren't even close to the same. I > don't have any hard data, but I'd be surprised if the number of units > of game software sold isn't at least a hundred times larger than the > number of units of music software. You can't "make it up in volume" > if there is no volume. > > > How the hell is Mobius free? > > I only do it to meet girls. > > Anyway, I think the synth is well worth the full price of $99, but... > > $1.95? A steal. > > Frankly I think this is a clever but dangerous marketing gimick. They > aren't going to sell 150,000 of these. But they may get 50,000 people > to pay a non-refundable $2 deposit. What happens if only 149,950 > people pay their deposit. Oops sorry, we didn't make it to 150,000 so > you lose. If they actually think they can get close to this > number this is a huge marketing risk that may backfire. > > Their analysis of the market size doesn't show much thought. "All in > all there must be over 10 million VST users around the globe" is just > a wild guess. But even if we believed that, the VSTi market is > extremely crowded. Hell there are probably 150,000 VSTi's available, > half of them free. > > A mistake a lot of software developers make (not just in music software) > is thinking it is all about cost. People are willing to pay for > quality, but they have to know something exists, and that thing has > to be somehow different than the things they already own. > > I wish them well, but they show all the signs of being a group of > talented engineers that know nothing about marketing. > > Jeff > > -- -==-=-=- Tony ------=_Part_21070_15361604.1181763963685 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline First off, Wuskstation is very very nice. Makes nice ambient textures. I played with the demo and a friend of mine bought it. Good stuff.

Like Jeff, I think they are a bit off in the marketing. Assuming the DO manage this, they'd make roughly $300,000. I think they'd be way more likely to sell 15,000 copies at $20 each. Or 10,000 at $30... but 150,000 users? I think that's a tad high. But, for their sake, I hope we are wrong.

And some music software companies do price their stuff pretty low. Tunafish (Brambos.com) is $35, I think, but he's not selling enough to support himself. Selling software is tough. Very tough. I've worked for enough startups to know that even if you have a great idea, that's not enough.

Tony

On 6/13/07, Jeff Larson <jeff.larson@sailpoint.com> wrote:

> For so long I've wondered, "Why don't music software companies price
> like game software?"  Sell many units for less.

Because the size of the markets aren't even close to the same.  I
don't have any hard data, but I'd be surprised if the number of units
of game software sold isn't at least a hundred times larger than the
number of units of music software.  You can't "make it up in volume"
if there is no volume.

> How the hell is Mobius free?

I only do it to meet girls.

Anyway, I think the synth is well worth the full price of $99, but...
> $1.95?  A steal.

Frankly I think this is a clever but dangerous marketing gimick.  They
aren't going to sell 150,000 of these.  But they may get 50,000 people
to pay a non-refundable $2 deposit.  What happens if only 149,950
people pay their deposit.  Oops sorry, we didn't make it to 150,000 so
you lose.  If they actually think they can get close to this
number this is a huge marketing risk that may backfire.

Their analysis of the market size doesn't show much thought.  "All in
all there must be over 10 million VST users around the globe" is just
a wild guess.  But even if we believed that, the VSTi market is
extremely crowded.  Hell there are probably 150,000 VSTi's available,
half of them free.

A mistake a lot of software developers make (not just in music software)
is thinking it is all about cost.  People are willing to pay for
quality, but they have to know something exists, and that thing has
to be somehow different than the things they already own.

I wish them well, but they show all the signs of being a group of
talented engineers that know nothing about marketing.

Jeff

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Tony ------=_Part_21070_15361604.1181763963685-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 13 20:11:58 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5D0F33BED6; Wed, 13 Jun 2007 20:11:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <54647.67.136.236.95.1181765516.squirrel@webmail.zerocrossing.net> In-Reply-To: <3B760999C264454D82652640BB74075C370E2B@keel.sailpoint.com> References: <930530.27108.qm@web35107.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <548E9D60-1DDB-40F5-88CF-284E8E344868@midway.uchicago.edu> <50489.67.136.237.160.1181697414.squirrel@webmail.zerocrossing.net> <50665.67.136.237.160.1181700796.squirrel@webmail.zerocrossing.net> <588ce11d0706122257u2a367b8ew368e6ed2500609c0@mail.gmail.com> <3B760999C264454D82652640BB74075C370E2B@keel.sailpoint.com> Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2007 13:11:56 -0700 (PDT) Subject: RE: OT $1.95 synth! From: sine@zerocrossing.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.9a MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71081 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2007 20:11:58 +0000 (UTC) > >> How the hell is Mobius free? > > I only do it to meet girls. Well then. Next time I run into a cute single girl I'll ask her about her feelings towards computer based audio loopers. > > Anyway, I think the synth is well worth the full price of $99, but... >> $1.95? A steal. > > Frankly I think this is a clever but dangerous marketing gimick. They > aren't going to sell 150,000 of these. Not at $99, but at $1.95... a painless paypal click and it's over. I'm in Vegas (not for fun) and I hate gambling, but if I loose a $2 bet on this... it's really nothing. > Oops sorry, we didn't make it to 150,000 so > you lose. If they actually think they can get close to this > number this is a huge marketing risk that may backfire. Lose $1.95. That's the key, it's so cheap. If I'm out $1.95 all I'll really think is, "Jeff was right." > Hell there are probably 150,000 VSTi's available, > half of them free. That is true, there are a few great free VSTs. A bunch of good free VSTs... and a lot of crap that clutters your hard drive. Sorry Jeff, yours is one of the great ones, but so far I've only found a few. If you had a paypal donate site I'd be on it right now. No doubt. > I wish them well, but they show all the signs of being a group of > talented engineers that know nothing about marketing. I don't know anything about that industry, but I can't help but think, "This idea's so crazy, IT MIGHT JUST WORK!" ... and if it doesn't, I'm out $1.95 (which is actually applicable to a purchase, so if you want the synth, it's not like you lost anything. I was pretty impressed with the light free version that came with ComputerMusic a few months ago. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 13 20:40:00 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B567E3BEFF; Wed, 13 Jun 2007 20:40:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <54708.67.136.236.95.1181767190.squirrel@webmail.zerocrossing.net> In-Reply-To: References: <930530.27108.qm@web35107.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <548E9D60-1DDB-40F5-88CF-284E8E344868@midway.uchicago.edu> <50489.67.136.237.160.1181697414.squirrel@webmail.zerocrossing.net> <50665.67.136.237.160.1181700796.squirrel@webmail.zerocrossing.net> <588ce11d0706122257u2a367b8ew368e6ed2500609c0@mail.gmail.com> <3B760999C264454D82652640BB74075C370E2B@keel.sailpoint.com> Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2007 13:39:50 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: OT $1.95 synth! From: sine@zerocrossing.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.9a MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71082 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2007 20:40:00 +0000 (UTC) Right, but I was in music retail in those days, and if memory serves a DX7 would run you $1999 in 83 dollars. Now you can buy the software version for $300. With a PC to run it, midi controller and a firewire audio interface you'd probably be able to make it happen for the same money... in 07 dollars. so, the times, they are a-changing. Like the Fender Stratocaster opened the guitar market to poor kids, the VST and cheap PC has opened the electronic music market. SUre, most may be hacks and hobbiests, but so what? I think that's actually a good thing. "folk music" so to speak. M > Back in the day of analogue synths, like mid eighties, I heard that the > market (moneys in) for synths all together equalled the market of one > big Safeway. And that was when a good synth cost big bucks. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 13 20:48:35 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 646973BEFB; Wed, 13 Jun 2007 20:48:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: BreachinThePeace@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2007 16:48:21 EDT Subject: Re: I now "get" the RC-50. To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-----------------------------1181767701" X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5366 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71083 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2007 20:48:35 +0000 (UTC) -------------------------------1181767701 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Listen. I have been using looping devices most likely prior to you being born. Hot Headed? Screw you and your cat pal. Don't EVER tell me what and what not to say. That is precisely what a forum is all about. Who died and made you king looper to begin with? The BEST loopers on the planet bar none are software, midi controlled. PERIOD. My point was this. You want a new wheel, fine. Just don't make one and put it on the market 2 years prior to being so lame that it receives a thumbs down from 8 out of 10 reviewers. Please don't suggest that the RC-50 is a valid & effecient floor controlled looping device. IT'S NOT. By doing this Teddy, you hurt everyone into looping. Get real. Jeff ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. -------------------------------1181767701 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Listen. I have been using looping devices most likely prior to you bein= g=20 born. Hot Headed? Screw you and your cat pal. Don't EVER tell me what and wh= at=20 not to say. That is precisely what a forum is all about. Who died and made y= ou=20 king looper to begin with? The BEST loopers on the planet bar none are=20 software, midi controlled. PERIOD. My point was this. You want a new wheel,=20 fine. Just don't make one and put it on the market 2 years prior to being so= =20 lame that it receives a thumbs down from 8 out of 10 reviewers. Please don't= =20 suggest that the RC-50 is a valid & effecient floor controlled loop= ing=20 device. IT'S NOT. By doing this Teddy, you hurt everyone into looping. Get=20 real.

Jeff

See what's free at AOL.com.
-------------------------------1181767701-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 13 21:06:51 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 478DA3BF01; Wed, 13 Jun 2007 21:06:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: midifriedchicken@comcast.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: I now "get" the RC-50. Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2007 21:06:48 +0000 Message-Id: <061320072106.18662.46705C68000C53F7000048E62216554886020A050C07080C0B0A079D00070B0703@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Oct 4 2006) X-Authenticated-Sender: bWlkaWZyaWVkY2hpY2tlbkBjb21jYXN0Lm5ldA== MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_18662_1181768808_0" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71084 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2007 21:06:51 +0000 (UTC) --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_18662_1181768808_0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Wow, what a dick. -------------- Original message -------------- From: BreachinThePeace@aol.com Listen. I have been using looping devices most likely prior to you being born. Hot Headed? Screw you and your cat pal. Don't EVER tell me what and what not to say. That is precisely what a forum is all about. Who died and made you king looper to begin with? The BEST loopers on the planet bar none are software, midi controlled. PERIOD. My point was this. You want a new wheel, fine. Just don't make one and put it on the market 2 years prior to being so lame that it receives a thumbs down from 8 out of 10 reviewers. Please don't suggest that the RC-50 is a valid & effecient floor controlled looping device. IT'S NOT. By doing this Teddy, you hurt everyone into looping. Get real. Jeff See what's free at AOL.com. --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_18662_1181768808_0 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Wow, what a dick.

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From: BreachinThePeace@aol.com

Listen. I have been using looping devices most likely prior to you being born. Hot Headed? Screw you and your cat pal. Don't EVER tell me what and what not to say. That is precisely what a forum is all about. Who died and made you king looper to begin with? The BEST loopers on the planet bar none are software, midi controlled. PERIOD. My point was this. You want a new wheel, fine. Just don't make one and put it on the market 2 years prior to being so lame that it receives a thumbs down from 8 out of 10 reviewers. Please don't suggest that the RC-50 is a valid & effecient floor controlled looping device. IT'S NOT. By doing this Teddy, you hurt everyone into looping. Get real.

Jeff

See what's free at AOL.com.
--NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_18662_1181768808_0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 13 21:20:35 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AB2383BF02; Wed, 13 Jun 2007 21:20:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: BreachinThePeace@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2007 17:20:31 EDT Subject: Re: I now "get" the RC-50. To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-----------------------------1181769631" X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5366 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71085 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2007 21:20:35 +0000 (UTC) -------------------------------1181769631 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks for spelling out clearly what your level of thinking consists of. "Doesn't like being called hot headed and accused wrongly of what is already common knowledge...wow, I just don't get it. He must be a dick" I guess it must just take one to know one. ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. -------------------------------1181769631 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Thanks for spelling out clearly what your level of thinking consis= ts=20 of.

"Doesn't like being called hot headed and accused wrongly of what is=20 already common knowledge...wow, I just don't get it. He must be a dick"

I guess it must just take one to know one.

See what's free at AOL.com.
-------------------------------1181769631-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 13 21:27:09 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2B31D3BEEE; Wed, 13 Jun 2007 21:27:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.co.uk; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=vhRuwqwqlQjatizzxaFymAtc0NPxO5BhKn+Omv4hSHjiZkvH10iUY/qKPB2FbHcGAj24KXkyK5shvmi8Hx69+YsBBb/m2fae8QfuFEHSW26WOlzz2REQxKiSt6DOqQoaWuMQLpZfpy3n21k3T2SxMi1edn6YcE8Bk1HOTFhSiW8= ; Message-ID: <20070613212707.29120.qmail@web27707.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: Lzw8tZQVM1mD2N8p0aOSrw7YJz6AIuFsOuoLcfGHPT9PbPtowaNOKITPt3MovUXJWg-- Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2007 22:27:07 +0100 (BST) From: Tony Douglas Subject: Re: I now "get" the RC-50. To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71086 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2007 21:27:09 +0000 (UTC) Jeez, chill pill time - you sound fit to blow a gasket, man ! --- BreachinThePeace@aol.com wrote: [ snippety snip ] > The BEST loopers on the planet bar none are > software, midi controlled. PERIOD. In your opinion. For the way you loop. Me, I've still got a big soft spot for my old Lexicon JamMan for all its issues, even though I'm using Augustus Loop and Sooperlooper quite a bit these days. ___________________________________________________________ The all-new Yahoo! Mail goes wherever you go - free your email address from your Internet provider. http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/nowyoucan.html From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 13 22:06:16 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8003E3BF02; Wed, 13 Jun 2007 22:06:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: AW: Rogues' Gallery?... Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 00:06:32 +0200 Organization: Moinlabs Message-ID: <000601c7ae07$1a273650$1001a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.0.20070612200312.00e57698@mail.onemodelplace.com> Thread-Index: AcetaYuuDmsvRbwoQnSDzBT/ebJGMgAnSEWQ X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-RZG-AUTH: lUESeo99iNzPL8kuBgLYdKEqUywq9cxqeRA+BtFcSCD5deQ7OINKr1WPmw== X-RZG-CLASS-ID: mo07 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71087 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2007 22:06:16 +0000 (UTC) > Hey All, am wondering what the > current rogues' > gallery of loopers is like these days?... Just look here... http://www.y2k6loopfest.com/images.html > Am actually wondering what the current equip scene is? It's all laptop these days, or at least dominated by them. The laptop users themselves are split into two main camps: MAX/MSP and Mobius. Apart from that, there's of course still the old crowd using their Repeaters, EDPs, Looperlatives and whatnot. I found this article I wrote (but never finished) about the gear scene at the loopfest - enjoy! Rainer This article is about the gear setup people use when playing something like.well, the Y2K6 International Live Looping Festival Santa Cruz/CA (www.y2k6loopfest.com, in case somebody hasn't noticed). This article does not claim to have any statistical relevance - mainly because I was out cold during one day of the main festival and attended the kyberjam on the second. But here we go: 1. Nice Rack: These are the people with a big 19'' equipment rack, which is usually complemented by a choice of foot controllers. Lots of carrying, relatively long setup time, great fun! This may be combined with one or several instrument (guitar) amplifiers (combos or really big ones), and even with some foot pedals. Great examples include Ted Killian, Bill Walker and Mir-O. 2. Pedal Board Rider: Lots of pedals (and sometimes not-pedal stuff, like handheld devices) are mounted on a big board. One cable goes from the guitar, bass or similar instrument into this board, another one (or a pair) goes out to FOH or to an instrument amp. These are usually slightly lighter than the big racks and much quicker to setup, simply because there are so few connections to make. Great examples: Ryussei Hattori, Mando-Man (seems to be a Japanese phenomenon). 3. Laptop Nerd: A laptop, and some other stuff. It makes sense to sub-divide that group into two different sub-groups: For one, there are the pure setups. There is the laptop, there are some MMI elements (foot controller, faderbox), and there is an audio/MIDI interface. But there are no external effect boxes and no external electronic instruments. More often however you'll find group two: hybrid setup where the laptop+MMI is complemented with one or several "outlaptop" devices. A guitar floorboard, an effects processor or something similar. The nerd crew had shown some tremendous growth in the last year. While in the past only dedicated laptopitians would use a laptop-based setup, nowadays more and more former users of other setups (mostly rack-users indeed) have switched to laptops. The range of laptops in use ranges from an old 500MHz G3 up to a maxxed out DuoCore. Great examples: Warren Sirrota, Per Boysen.and, well, myself. 4. Distributed Stuff: Lots of (mostly small) electronic components (like stompboxes, table-top devices and perhaps a compact mixer) are brought along in a bag and then set up on top of a table. This kind of a setup suffers mostly from the rather big amount of cabling necessary when setting up in relation to the number of devices used. Great examples: Matt Davignon 5. Small Stuff: Most of the time one or two integrated stompboxes, sometimes enhanced by an additional expression pedal etc. Small geometrical size and minimum weight count here and thus great portability rating. Often it is possible to entirely battery-power those setups (a property which they share with most pedal boards). Great examples: Genie (a distortion stompbox and a DL4), Pushing Air (a beauty case (?) in mint green). From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 13 22:15:20 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A82643BF10; Wed, 13 Jun 2007 22:15:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <006101c7ae08$55afbb60$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "RICK WALKER" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: MORE LOOPS? Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2007 15:15:21 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.5 required=1.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,AWL, STOX_REPLY_TYPE,SUBJ_ALL_CAPS,TVD_RCVD_SINGLE autolearn=disabled version=3.2.0 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.0 (2007-05-01) on mail.cruzio.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71088 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2007 22:15:20 +0000 (UTC) In recent threads and frequently on this list I hear people complain that this or that device doesn't have enough separate loop capability. Just because I've done a lot of duet, trio and quartet live looping performances in the last 12 years, I've come to believe that the biggest problem with onstage live looping improvisation is that TOO MANY LOOPS get recorded a good deal of the time. I think a lot of loopers forget that if three people play and create synchronized loops that a six person band has now been created. In a conventional band setting, if you have six people playing it means that you have to think of being just 1/6 of the entire musical output when you play and attenuate your musical output accordingly. I have found in my own playing (and as a drummer percussionist, I can frequently have more overdubbed instruments than is typical of guitarist, keyboardist, horn players or vocalists) that I rarely have more than two loop layers playing at once just because it limits what can be played on top of the music. Frequently I will only lay one loop down in music I'm playing (unless I'm purposefully attempting the 'one person band' approach. Even in that instance, I've discovered that the more minimal a part is on a given instrument, the more the piece of music can handle additional parts or more interesting focal improvisation over the top of it. Even the most successful experimental players seem to have economy in their approach..............things are so 'out' as it is, that a kind of minimalism helps an audience to hear the really clear ideas they put out. Of course, it's silly to be black and white about this, but I run into a lot of musicians who believe that music is just a series of elements layered on top of one another, as opposed to a bunch of elements that are meticulously arranged to interact with each other: some things purposefully played to support focal elements in the music; some things played that are rhythmically, harmonically or timbrally subsets of focal elements. It could be that as a life long drummer who's role has been to accompany musicians that I'm more intrinsically inclined to have this arrangement approach to things, but I have found that the most successful improvisers in this live looping business are the ones who really get how every single element in the music interacts with every other one. So, my long winded point is that there is a distinct danger using this technology to play TOO MANY LOOPS at the same time. Why am I shouting.............................I DON'T KNOW WHY!!!!! your thoughts? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 13 22:19:33 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 711473BF17; Wed, 13 Jun 2007 22:19:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <0c2501c7ae08$e85144c0$6401a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <000601c7ae07$1a273650$1001a8c0@succubus> Subject: Re: Rogues' Gallery?... Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2007 16:19:26 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71089 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2007 22:19:33 +0000 (UTC) ----- Original Message ----- > It's all laptop these days, or at least dominated by them. The laptop > users > themselves are split into two main camps: MAX/MSP and Mobius. And of course you can run Mobius in MAX/MSP as well, inside the VST object. It may be more accurate to say that the main computer-based looping camps are: VST (Mobius, Loopy Llamma, Electronix XL, Augustus Loop, Angstrolooper, Cold Cutter, Divine Machine, etc) Standalone (Mobius, Live, SuperLooper, Ambiloop, Feewheeling, etc) MAX/MSP (max loop patches only, not VST, like the Kaiser Looper -which I use, and any other max developed looping patch) http://www.krispenhartung.com/software-looping.htm K- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 13 22:38:16 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EE70F3BEF8; Wed, 13 Jun 2007 22:38:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <20070613183810.kuxihw8zk04c4kwc@www.wightman.ca> Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2007 18:38:10 -0400 From: phaslem@wightman.ca To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: I now "get" the RC-50. References: <061320072106.18662.46705C68000C53F7000048E62216554886020A050C07080C0B0A079D00070B0703@comcast.net> In-Reply-To: <061320072106.18662.46705C68000C53F7000048E62216554886020A050C07080C0B0A079D00070B0703@comcast.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.3) Resent-Message-ID: <9yuTrB.A.83.XHHcGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71090 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2007 22:38:15 +0000 (UTC) I broke down and bought an rc-50 about 4 months ago and am very happy with it. I use it for my "stripped down" gigs where I have a small amp (a schertler David) my guitar and the hammered dulcimer. I run the insert from the amp to the rc-50 and it's a very acceptable setup. When I need a more complex setup I haul out the rackmount computer and run Mobius through Bidule so that I can capture some of those more ambient vst effects. Of course I'm not using the built in drum machine, not trying to sync with anything else. Once I discovered how simulate some feedback control for the overdubbing, it was brilliant!! It does everything I need it to and some more. Personally I would and do recomend it to someone looking to get into looping, it just requires some analysis as to what your needs are. Paul Haslem www.dulcify.ca Ontario, Canada From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 13 22:40:26 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B02993BF04; Wed, 13 Jun 2007 22:40:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <54708.67.136.236.95.1181767190.squirrel@webmail.zerocrossing.net> References: <930530.27108.qm@web35107.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <548E9D60-1DDB-40F5-88CF-284E8E344868@midway.uchicago.edu> <50489.67.136.237.160.1181697414.squirrel@webmail.zerocrossing.net> <50665.67.136.237.160.1181700796.squirrel@webmail.zerocrossing.net> <588ce11d0706122257u2a367b8ew368e6ed2500609c0@mail.gmail.com> <3B760999C264454D82652640BB74075C370E2B@keel.sailpoint.com> <54708.67.136.236.95.1181767190.squirrel@webmail.zerocrossing.net> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1--543723261 Message-Id: <25ac75b1819d7e1784bf39a1653477ae@glasswing.com> From: Richard Sales Subject: Re: OT $1.95 synth! Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2007 15:40:23 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71091 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2007 22:40:26 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-1--543723261 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Oh! I was just saying - in reference to an earlier email about the market size - that the synth market isn't that big in the scale of things. Of course it's good for software to be cheap. That isn't what I was saying. I'm all in favor of putting power tools in the hands of the masses. No judgment of other musicians implied. That's not my business. Did I understand what you were saying? richard sales glassWing farm and studio vancouver island, b.c. 800.545.6846 250.752.4816 www.glassWing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com On 13-Jun-07, at 1:39 PM, sine@zerocrossing.net wrote: > Right, but I was in music retail in those days, and if memory serves a > DX7 > would run you $1999 in 83 dollars. Now you can buy the software > version > for $300. With a PC to run it, midi controller and a firewire audio > interface you'd probably be able to make it happen for the same > money... > in 07 dollars. > > so, the times, they are a-changing. Like the Fender Stratocaster > opened > the guitar market to poor kids, the VST and cheap PC has opened the > electronic music market. SUre, most may be hacks and hobbiests, but so > what? I think that's actually a good thing. "folk music" so to speak. > > M > > >> Back in the day of analogue synths, like mid eighties, I heard that >> the >> market (moneys in) for synths all together equalled the market of one >> big Safeway. And that was when a good synth cost big bucks. >> > --Apple-Mail-1--543723261 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=US-ASCII Oh! I was just saying - in reference to an earlier email about the market size - that the synth market isn't that big in the scale of things. Of course it's good for software to be cheap. That isn't what I was saying. I'm all in favor of putting power tools in the hands of the masses. No judgment of other musicians implied. That's not my business. Did I understand what you were saying? Gadgetrichard sales 7373,7F7F,C5C5glassWing farm and studio vancouver island, b.c. 800.545.6846 250.752.4816C3C3,9696,1C1C www.glassWing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com On 13-Jun-07, at 1:39 PM, sine@zerocrossing.net wrote: Right, but I was in music retail in those days, and if memory serves a DX7 would run you $1999 in 83 dollars. Now you can buy the software version for $300. With a PC to run it, midi controller and a firewire audio interface you'd probably be able to make it happen for the same money... in 07 dollars. so, the times, they are a-changing. Like the Fender Stratocaster opened the guitar market to poor kids, the VST and cheap PC has opened the electronic music market. SUre, most may be hacks and hobbiests, but so what? I think that's actually a good thing. "folk music" so to speak. M Back in the day of analogue synths, like mid eighties, I heard that the market (moneys in) for synths all together equalled the market of one big Safeway. And that was when a good synth cost big bucks. --Apple-Mail-1--543723261-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 13 22:48:50 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4EE163BF12; Wed, 13 Jun 2007 22:48:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <54951.67.136.236.95.1181774928.squirrel@webmail.zerocrossing.net> In-Reply-To: <25ac75b1819d7e1784bf39a1653477ae@glasswing.com> References: <930530.27108.qm@web35107.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <548E9D60-1DDB-40F5-88CF-284E8E344868@midway.uchicago.edu> <50489.67.136.237.160.1181697414.squirrel@webmail.zerocrossing.net> <50665.67.136.237.160.1181700796.squirrel@webmail.zerocrossing.net> <588ce11d0706122257u2a367b8ew368e6ed2500609c0@mail.gmail.com> <3B760999C264454D82652640BB74075C370E2B@keel.sailpoint.com> <54708.67.136.236.95.1181767190.squirrel@webmail.zerocrossing.net> <25ac75b1819d7e1784bf39a1653477ae@glasswing.com> Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2007 15:48:48 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: OT $1.95 synth! From: sine@zerocrossing.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.9a MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71092 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2007 22:48:50 +0000 (UTC) > Oh! I was just saying - in reference to an earlier email about the > market size - that the synth market isn't that big in the scale of > things. Yes, but (and maybe I'm totally wrong) I think it's grown a LOT since then due to cheaper tools. I did little synth stuff in the early 80s because I could get a decent guitar for $300 but synths were still in the $2K range. Price plummets, market grows... am I wrong? Isn't that how Ford and Fender did it? > Did I understand what you were saying? I'm not sure. I thought you were saying that the VST synth market today was small and I'm thinking it's not that small. Think about it, if you're thinking of buying something and it's expensive, you really question if you want it. If it's cheap, like $1.95, you say, "Sure, even if I only use it for 2 hours, it's less than the price of a movie." and you get some fun out of it. No? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 13 22:49:24 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 16BFC3BF17; Wed, 13 Jun 2007 22:49:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <00da01c7ae0d$18849b20$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "RICK WALKER" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: ROGUES GALLERY Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2007 15:49:27 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.5 required=1.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,AWL, STOX_REPLY_TYPE,SUBJ_ALL_CAPS,TVD_RCVD_SINGLE autolearn=disabled version=3.2.0 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.0 (2007-05-01) on mail.cruzio.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71093 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2007 22:49:24 +0000 (UTC) Rainer wrote: "It's all laptop these days, or at least dominated by them. The laptop users themselves are split into two main camps: MAX/MSP and Mobius. Apart from that, there's of course still the old crowd using their Repeaters, EDPs, Looperlatives and whatnot." As a musician who feels he is right up with what's going on in the digital musical world and who also uses Repeaters, EDPS and Looperlatives eschewing the laptop paradigm for some very salient and well thought out reasons, I take small umbrage for your characterization of me as 'the old crowd'. Is John Mclaughlin considered old school if he does not play a Line 6 digital modelled guitar? I think not. Don't get me wrong. I don't think that laptop users are making a bad mistake. In fact, Jeff Kaiser has come closer than any single musician to convincing me to chuck all my hardware and go laptop. In the spirit of very friendly (and even affectionate, in your case, Rainer) disagreement, rick walker From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 13 22:56:52 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A3D913BF12; Wed, 13 Jun 2007 22:56:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: OT $1.95 synth! Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2007 17:56:52 -0500 Message-ID: <3B760999C264454D82652640BB74075C370E9E@keel.sailpoint.com> In-Reply-To: <54647.67.136.236.95.1181765516.squirrel@webmail.zerocrossing.net> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: OT $1.95 synth! thread-index: Acet9xoKj32dDrBKQOGEfO8Vi+1GfgAE3RKg References: <930530.27108.qm@web35107.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <548E9D60-1DDB-40F5-88CF-284E8E344868@midway.uchicago.edu> <50489.67.136.237.160.1181697414.squirrel@webmail.zerocrossing.net> <50665.67.136.237.160.1181700796.squirrel@webmail.zerocrossing.net> <588ce11d0706122257u2a367b8ew368e6ed2500609c0@mail.gmail.com> <3B760999C264454D82652640BB74075C370E2B@keel.sailpoint.com> <54647.67.136.236.95.1181765516.squirrel@webmail.zerocrossing.net> From: "Jeff Larson" To: Resent-Message-ID: <5X_P0.A.R8B.0YHcGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71094 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2007 22:56:52 +0000 (UTC) > > Oops sorry, we didn't make it to 150,000 so > > you lose. If they actually think they can get close to this > > number this is a huge marketing risk that may backfire. > Lose $1.95. That's the key, it's so cheap. Some people will think like this. It's like buying a lottery ticket, you don't really expect to win. =20 But others may look back on this as the software equivalent of a guy on the side of the road with a cardboard sign. They're basically asking for a $300,000 handout because the vast majority of the people putting down their $2 won't end up buying it for $100. Now I'm not saying this is their intent, they seem to truly believe this will work. But it's hard to control public opinion, these sorts of games can backfire and end up alienating potential customers. =20 But I do wish them luck, and I hope I'm wrong. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 13 23:01:05 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9C1833BF13; Wed, 13 Jun 2007 23:01:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=bToDaeyUeZs90ip5uWsNywurkYR7Mvl5F6qvbX2Tx6HSnzRnvY7jTGGuoCdo0PlM0RPaxuR+9I0uZY7zNBW//kLSOh59fvaAnQ4/96wcl8S0QciXq3ZIWth8ei/q8Banbh+yIUnH3cZtV0TROT3IKNz6L0yNTioBz35nGr/KRtM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=aH9Im+wFvtqtw0PDaKmeYtTiy/qt94KXVNd4Yl4XMZaG3KsgkUKzmkzypZuJtr6bETAK8SRW2+hXeWZ0a+U5/rwy74c5wq9xMzzcwCeIJ99upWtepIo6BmCs8Uy5EKQpVdw09Ez2cUZ209JRsP9fPBAhOgG117ddYOtJibublxY= Message-ID: Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2007 19:01:02 -0400 From: "Mark Trewella" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Maneco Filter Eko 2 for sale! MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71095 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2007 23:01:05 +0000 (UTC) So I JUST got this on a trade from guy over at Harmony Central. I have quickly concluded it is not my thing and am offering it for sale. This looper is extremely rare. Check out this site for details. http://manecolooper.tripod.com/ The Filter Eko 2 I have is in perfect condition. No scratches or blemishes or anything. To get one of these loopers new it is $497 + $75 shipping (from Uraguay) and about a 10 week wait. I will let mine go for $475 shipped. Paypal and USA only. If you are interested email me at: aleatoric12@gmail.com You will get a response there quicker as that is my normal email and I use this one just for LD, I check my normal email much more often. Thanks, Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 13 23:01:43 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8E10A3BF18; Wed, 13 Jun 2007 23:01:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: AW: MORE LOOPS? Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 01:02:01 +0200 Organization: Moinlabs Message-ID: <000e01c7ae0e$da4cf440$1001a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <006101c7ae08$55afbb60$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Thread-Index: AceuCFTbenNHllVuRvOOHAWverFfvgABUXBA X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-RZG-AUTH: lUESeo99iNzPL8kuBgLYdKEqUywq9cxqeRA+BtFcSCD5deQ7OICI8eyphg== X-RZG-CLASS-ID: mo07 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71096 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2007 23:01:43 +0000 (UTC) Personally, being a classically trained composer, I see the multi-track looping option of a tool like Mobius as a very intuitive way of bringing in and out different instrumental parts. Especially you as a drummer (and Looperlative user) should see the use in this, as (as you mentioned already) when you're playing a drum set you're laying down not one, but three to five different instrumental parts, normally into one loop. Now think about the possibility to do some multi-track work here - have the bass drum in one loop, the snare drum in another one and so one. With that, you can now add some crazy ringmod to just the snare drum loop, or send the bass drum through a reverb delay, or replace the cymbal part without touching any of the other parts...you get the idea. A lot of things I currently do in Mobius with multiple tracks could also be achieved with fewer tracks and clever use of multiple loops within one track, but it's just less intuitive. Having these different tracks gives me the feeling of really having different musicians which, just like a conductor, I can give signs to do something. Rainer From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 13 23:10:28 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 15CB63BF0F; Wed, 13 Jun 2007 23:10:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <006101c7ae08$55afbb60$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> References: <006101c7ae08$55afbb60$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-2--541922747 Message-Id: <27ee016d721c27de6b9cf64e178dcc9a@glasswing.com> From: Richard Sales Subject: Re: MORE LOOPS? Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2007 16:10:23 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71097 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2007 23:10:27 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-2--541922747 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Correct, Rick. Overdubitis (or too many loops) has killed so many good songs and pieces of music. I've done it myself and seen and helped tons of musicians do it in my studio (since 81). Not so anymore! It's so much easier to mix simple, well organized music. When it's arranged and layered right, you don't need all that EQ to make it work. IN the arrangement, the frequencies are spread out so that there's no battle anywhere in the spectrum. So the final piece sounds more natural. I have two uses now for the looper - one as the 'one man band' deal. My songs are pretty complex - not repeating parts usually and lots of odd measure lengths, so I have to record big chunks and then have areas (usually just one of the loops) where I can just let the looper ramble on until I'm ready to re-enter the structure. Works great. On top of the (three loops of) one guitar part I've laid down I want to add percussion so it can run along with the guitar stuff I do on top. For most of my 'one man band' songs it takes all three of the available loops (RC50) to cover all bases. So my final output would be one base guitar track, one percussion track (most likely djimbe or congas, and the top guitar. The second use for the looper is to create beds strictly for jamming. These I'm doing live now- both the bed and the top. On some they're very simple - just one loop needed to fly - and I can probably squeeze enough real estate to fit the percussion on top of it. The beauty of the one man band thing is that it's affordable if you're touring. Affordable is good! It's not as fun as having real players there changing and improvising with the current and it's MUCH harder to get that vibe. But, as you well know, you can get pretty close! I wrote all this in case you're thinking about my previous email about the RC50 not having enough loops. ps - I like the idea of hardware loopers because I just don't wanna look at computer screens any more than absolutely I have to. Someday I'd like to have a Kid Beyond kind of setup (is that his name?) where Ableton is controlled by a foot controller. Next life maybe richard sales glassWing farm and studio vancouver island, b.c. 800.545.6846 250.752.4816 www.glassWing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com On 13-Jun-07, at 3:15 PM, RICK WALKER wrote: > In recent threads and frequently on this list I > hear people complain that this or that device doesn't have > enough separate loop capability. > > Just because I've done a lot of duet, trio and quartet live looping > performances > in the last 12 years, I've come to believe that the biggest problem > with onstage live looping improvisation is that TOO MANY LOOPS get > recorded > a good deal of the time. > > I think a lot of loopers forget that if three people play and create > synchronized loops > that a six person band has now been created. > > In a conventional band setting, if you have six people playing it > means that you have to > think of being just 1/6 of the entire musical output when you play and > attenuate your musical > output accordingly. > > I have found in my own playing (and as a drummer percussionist, I can > frequently > have more overdubbed instruments than is typical of guitarist, > keyboardist, horn players > or vocalists) that I rarely have more than two loop layers playing at > once just because > it limits what can be played on top of the music. > Frequently I will only lay one loop down in music I'm playing (unless > I'm purposefully > attempting the 'one person band' approach. Even in that instance, > I've discovered that > the more minimal a part is on a given instrument, the more the piece > of music can > handle additional parts or more interesting focal improvisation over > the top of it. > > Even the most successful experimental players seem to have economy in > their > approach..............things are so 'out' as it is, that a kind of > minimalism helps > an audience to hear the really clear ideas they put out. > > Of course, it's silly to be black and white about this, but I run > into a lot of musicians > who believe that music is just a series of elements layered on top of > one another, as opposed > to a bunch of elements that are meticulously arranged to interact with > each other: > some things purposefully played to support focal elements in the > music; some things > played that are rhythmically, harmonically or timbrally subsets of > focal elements. > > It could be that as a life long drummer who's role has been to > accompany musicians > that I'm more intrinsically inclined to have this arrangement approach > to things, but > I have found that the most successful improvisers in this live looping > business are the ones > who really get how every single element in the music interacts with > every other one. > > So, my long winded point is that there is a distinct danger using > this technology > to play TOO MANY LOOPS at the same time. Why am I > shouting.............................I DON'T KNOW WHY!!!!! > > your thoughts? --Apple-Mail-2--541922747 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=US-ASCII Correct, Rick. Overdubitis (or too many loops) has killed so many good songs and pieces of music. I've done it myself and seen and helped tons of musicians do it in my studio (since 81). Not so anymore! It's so much easier to mix simple, well organized music. When it's arranged and layered right, you don't need all that EQ to make it work. IN the arrangement, the frequencies are spread out so that there's no battle anywhere in the spectrum. So the final piece sounds more natural. I have two uses now for the looper - one as the 'one man band' deal. My songs are pretty complex - not repeating parts usually and lots of odd measure lengths, so I have to record big chunks and then have areas (usually just one of the loops) where I can just let the looper ramble on until I'm ready to re-enter the structure. Works great. On top of the (three loops of) one guitar part I've laid down I want to add percussion so it can run along with the guitar stuff I do on top. For most of my 'one man band' songs it takes all three of the available loops (RC50) to cover all bases. So my final output would be one base guitar track, one percussion track (most likely djimbe or congas, and the top guitar. The second use for the looper is to create beds strictly for jamming. These I'm doing live now- both the bed and the top. On some they're very simple - just one loop needed to fly - and I can probably squeeze enough real estate to fit the percussion on top of it. The beauty of the one man band thing is that it's affordable if you're touring. Affordable is good! It's not as fun as having real players there changing and improvising with the current and it's MUCH harder to get that vibe. But, as you well know, you can get pretty close! I wrote all this in case you're thinking about my previous email about the RC50 not having enough loops. ps - I like the idea of hardware loopers because I just don't wanna look at computer screens any more than absolutely I have to. Someday I'd like to have a Kid Beyond kind of setup (is that his name?) where Ableton is controlled by a foot controller. Next life maybe Gadgetrichard sales 7373,7F7F,C5C5glassWing farm and studio vancouver island, b.c. 800.545.6846 250.752.4816C3C3,9696,1C1C www.glassWing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com On 13-Jun-07, at 3:15 PM, RICK WALKER wrote: In recent threads and frequently on this list I hear people complain that this or that device doesn't have enough separate loop capability. Just because I've done a lot of duet, trio and quartet live looping performances in the last 12 years, I've come to believe that the biggest problem with onstage live looping improvisation is that TOO MANY LOOPS get recorded a good deal of the time. I think a lot of loopers forget that if three people play and create synchronized loops that a six person band has now been created. In a conventional band setting, if you have six people playing it means that you have to think of being just 1/6 of the entire musical output when you play and attenuate your musical output accordingly. I have found in my own playing (and as a drummer percussionist, I can frequently have more overdubbed instruments than is typical of guitarist, keyboardist, horn players or vocalists) that I rarely have more than two loop layers playing at once just because it limits what can be played on top of the music. Frequently I will only lay one loop down in music I'm playing (unless I'm purposefully attempting the 'one person band' approach. Even in that instance, I've discovered that the more minimal a part is on a given instrument, the more the piece of music can handle additional parts or more interesting focal improvisation over the top of it. Even the most successful experimental players seem to have economy in their approach..............things are so 'out' as it is, that a kind of minimalism helps an audience to hear the really clear ideas they put out. Of course, it's silly to be black and white about this, but I run into a lot of musicians who believe that music is just a series of elements layered on top of one another, as opposed to a bunch of elements that are meticulously arranged to interact with each other: some things purposefully played to support focal elements in the music; some things played that are rhythmically, harmonically or timbrally subsets of focal elements. It could be that as a life long drummer who's role has been to accompany musicians that I'm more intrinsically inclined to have this arrangement approach to things, but I have found that the most successful improvisers in this live looping business are the ones who really get how every single element in the music interacts with every other one. So, my long winded point is that there is a distinct danger using this technology to play TOO MANY LOOPS at the same time. Why am I shouting.............................I DON'T KNOW WHY!!!!! your thoughts? --Apple-Mail-2--541922747-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 13 23:13:54 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8F7623BEFB; Wed, 13 Jun 2007 23:13:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: AW: ROGUES GALLERY Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 01:14:11 +0200 Organization: Moinlabs Message-ID: <001301c7ae10$8debf770$1001a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <00da01c7ae0d$18849b20$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Thread-Index: AceuDRaU/p9YWdO7Q22+3N6dij2WaAAAjq0A X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-RZG-AUTH: lUESeo99iNzPL8kuBgLYdKEqUywq9cxqeRA+BtFcSCD5deQ7OICI8eyphg== X-RZG-CLASS-ID: mo07 Resent-Message-ID: <-oo9HC.A.XND.yoHcGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71098 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2007 23:13:54 +0000 (UTC) > As a musician who feels he is right up with what's going on > in the digital musical world and who also uses Repeaters, > EDPS and Looperlatives eschewing the laptop paradigm for some > very salient and well thought out > reasons, I take small > umbrage for your characterization of me as 'the old crowd'. The use of the term "old crowd" was in this context not meant to transmit any negative connotations. My thought in using this wording was actually that a mere two years ago, the laptop users a) could be roughly counted by the fingers of one hand and b) were very much into the really electronic corner. This seems to have changed a lot, and this (in our case) mainly because today laptop setups provide very powerful and flexible looping setups (about which Krispen did already point valid corrections to my message). Even I, who has started to use computers for music making very long ago, still like my different hardware setups (for various reasons) and if the fact that Electrix charges a lot of money for a software which is in big parts a part of the contract they made long ago with me and other users and for which we've paid already didn't piss me off that much, I would even have orderer the Repeater software. Yet you got me curious: what are, in a few short words, the very salient and well thought out reasons in your case? All the best, and no intent to show any disrespect, Rainer > Is John Mclaughlin considered old school if he does not play > a Line 6 digital modelled guitar? a bad example - McLaughlin did use guitar to MIDI even back then when the majority of guitarists hadn't even heard the word "MIDI" and a lot of Line6 users of today weren't even born ;) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 13 23:28:36 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3AF0D3BF0E; Wed, 13 Jun 2007 23:28:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <54951.67.136.236.95.1181774928.squirrel@webmail.zerocrossing.net> References: <930530.27108.qm@web35107.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <548E9D60-1DDB-40F5-88CF-284E8E344868@midway.uchicago.edu> <50489.67.136.237.160.1181697414.squirrel@webmail.zerocrossing.net> <50665.67.136.237.160.1181700796.squirrel@webmail.zerocrossing.net> <588ce11d0706122257u2a367b8ew368e6ed2500609c0@mail.gmail.com> <3B760999C264454D82652640BB74075C370E2B@keel.sailpoint.com> <54708.67.136.236.95.1181767190.squirrel@webmail.zerocrossing.net> <25ac75b1819d7e1784bf39a1653477ae@glasswing.com> <54951.67.136.236.95.1181774928.squirrel@webmail.zerocrossing.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <616804bb45c22f8cd46e8c956d624502@glasswing.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Richard Sales Subject: Re: OT $1.95 synth! Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2007 16:28:34 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Resent-Message-ID: <7a2RrD.A.wAE.j2HcGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71099 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2007 23:28:36 +0000 (UTC) On 13-Jun-07, at 3:48 PM, sine@zerocrossing.net wrote: >> Did I understand what you were saying? > > I'm not sure. I thought you were saying that the VST synth market > today > was small and I'm thinking it's not that small. Oh no! that's not what I was saying. I would imagine the VST market is huge because it's so cheap. Somewhere back in the thread someone mentioned that some things couldn't be sold cheap because they didn't think the market would support all the R&D necessary to develop the product if sold cheap. (Think "Looperlative"). That's why I mentioned the small synth market in the 80's. Nowadays it might be different with VST etc. And definitely Google has thrown a new frisbee into that whole logic. I would think it would take a lot of courage and fallback plans (or day jobs) to pull that off. You are 100% correct! The cheaper the item the (potentially) bigger the market. $2 synths and free looping software is a great thing. Hats off to those with the faith and/or resources to do it. Richard From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 13 23:41:09 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5D19C3BF0C; Wed, 13 Jun 2007 23:41:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2007 17:41:07 -0600 Message-Id: <200706132341.l5DNf7W7005629@minds-eye.org> From: "Kevin Cheli-Colando" To: "Loop" Reply-To: kevin@minds-eye.org Subject: Hopefully not a useless question X-Mailer: NeoMail 1.25 X-IPAddress: 137.150.33.94 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71100 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2007 23:41:09 +0000 (UTC) Perhaps an off topic question, perhaps not. I’m asking this esteemed group of musicians for tips regarding the refinement of one’s signal. You know, the things that may dramatically improve your sound such as perhaps, power conditioners, pre-amps, limiters, d/I boxes, etc. I must confess that I know very little about this side of things. I regard myself as something of a hack, assembling a strange little set-up making strange sounds without necessarily knowing exactly what I’m doing with it all or how to best implement the thing. Generally it works for me but I wonder if there are ways to improve upon it. I am certainly not a tone purist in any way, but a lack of noise, good fidelity, better usage of the sonic spectrum, these are all things I would definitely appreciate. So, any tips on what kind of gear is best used to improve the overall sound of an over processed looping rig? BTW, I generally run my guitar into a splitter that runs into three separate effects boxes which all feed into a small mixer then directly out to a powered speaker set up. Thanks Kevin -- Till now you seriously considered yourself to be the body and to have a form. That is the primal ignorance which is the root cause of all trouble. - Ramana Maharshi (1879-1950) Sound and Vision: http://www.minds-eye.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 13 23:55:58 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id ACE883BEE1; Wed, 13 Jun 2007 23:55:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2007 17:55:57 -0600 Message-Id: <200706132355.l5DNtvgF015307@minds-eye.org> From: "Kevin Cheli-Colando" To: "Loop" Reply-To: kevin@minds-eye.org Subject: Hopefully not a useless question X-Mailer: NeoMail 1.25 X-IPAddress: 137.150.33.94 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71101 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2007 23:55:58 +0000 (UTC) Perhaps an off topic question, perhaps not. I’m asking this esteemed group of musicians for tips regarding the refinement of one’s signal. You know, the things that may dramatically improve your sound such as perhaps, power conditioners, pre-amps, limiters, d/I boxes, etc. I must confess that I know very little about this side of things. I regard myself as something of a hack, assembling a strange little set-up making strange sounds without necessarily knowing exactly what I’m doing with it all or how to best implement the thing. Generally it works for me but I wonder if there are ways to improve upon it. I am certainly not a tone purist in any way, but a lack of noise, good fidelity, better usage of the sonic spectrum, these are all things I would definitely appreciate. So, any tips on what kind of gear is best used to improve the overall sound of an over processed looping rig? BTW, I generally run my guitar into a splitter that runs into three separate effects boxes which all feed into a small mixer then directly out to a powered speaker set up. Thanks Kevin -- Till now you seriously considered yourself to be the body and to have a form. That is the primal ignorance which is the root cause of all trouble. - Ramana Maharshi (1879-1950) Sound and Vision: http://www.minds-eye.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 14 00:28:33 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AD3F73BF0B; Thu, 14 Jun 2007 00:28:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-YMail-OSG: 0GiE_q4VM1mMxb9vJn8o_NaNulUl086k0sJ1RUIxggB65c93942mBtpkph2LNpqt1_YZip7FLQ-- Message-ID: <000e01c7ae1a$ea83aff0$4101a8c0@MICHAELPLISHKA> From: "Michael Plishka" To: References: <00da01c7ae0d$18849b20$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Subject: Re: ROGUES GALLERY Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2007 19:28:21 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Resent-Message-ID: <72FZVC.A.5yG.xuIcGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71102 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 00:28:33 +0000 (UTC) Well said Rick!!! ----- Original Message ----- From: "RICK WALKER" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2007 5:49 PM Subject: ROGUES GALLERY > Rainer wrote: > "It's all laptop these days, or at least dominated by them. The laptop > users > themselves are split into two main camps: MAX/MSP and Mobius. > Apart from that, there's of course still the old crowd using their > Repeaters, EDPs, Looperlatives and whatnot." > > > As a musician who feels he is right up with what's going on in the > digital musical world and who also uses Repeaters, EDPS and Looperlatives > eschewing the laptop paradigm for some very salient and well thought out > reasons, I take small > umbrage for your characterization of me as 'the old crowd'. > > Is John Mclaughlin considered old school if > he does not play a Line 6 digital modelled guitar? > > I think not. > > Don't get me wrong. I don't think that laptop users are making a bad > mistake. > In fact, Jeff Kaiser has come closer than any single musician to > convincing me to > chuck all my hardware and go laptop. > > In the spirit of very friendly (and even affectionate, in your case, > Rainer) disagreement, > > rick walker > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 14 00:33:33 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EB4C73BF0B; Thu, 14 Jun 2007 00:33:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: Looping with the KP3 Kaoss Pad (video) Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 02:33:51 +0200 Organization: Moinlabs Message-ID: <000001c7ae1b$ae2a8280$1001a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Thread-Index: AceuG63quQ2zYpE9TQKptBI2L3SV7w== X-RZG-AUTH: lUESeo99iNzPL8kuBgLYdKEqUywq9cxqeRA+BtFcSCD5deQ7OIWEFJVaiQ== X-RZG-CLASS-ID: mo07 Resent-Message-ID: <6adNlD.A.5AH.dzIcGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71103 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 00:33:33 +0000 (UTC) among my video collection http://video.google.de/videosearch?q=moinlabs please find this: http://video.google.de/videoplay?docid=-4135927290013891493 This is me playing guitar into Zoom G2.1u into Boss DD20 into Korg KP3. Use of loopsamples from the DD20 and the KP3 is explained in the video. About other effects: if you see my fingers move on the Kaoss pad, it's the Kaoss pad ;) Rainer From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 14 01:17:23 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 429683BF05; Thu, 14 Jun 2007 01:17:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=VTnLKKL+MLOqOkCVh+/b3tRGWyfc5C59t3nkc2FxTakkiX7Nj4aUM5Xo9Y06tnA/cmlUxEDB+DvKPUkLLxQ225zIOd/pASAhN3fenJBzd8H+zkD2xa6kSDV78UBE7AQBSwwrwwF2nuyq6QQAXFO7LzZNtgvNuuN8928Eeh+4KpY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=fqjuzglmeHdliC7ThYEmobs48lzt+Xnd4rZSArXCvp/3MOTPho2Pgyoz4LN7ke8lRecQiuzKY0tgd2Q3HuHDjVRp1aYq/JnHfSizbk0gBcZTA2iNtk77yaRv90Sli4omiG06ZLKDRIyBDRoxxIY7fon1px+GtPkE3DNcZoWkiu8= Message-ID: <4759e5740706131817p30b5a8bbrb5650499d3dc5503@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2007 21:17:20 -0400 From: "todd reynolds" Reply-To: todd@toddreynolds.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: ROGUES GALLERY In-Reply-To: <00da01c7ae0d$18849b20$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_6315_20197772.1181783840322" References: <00da01c7ae0d$18849b20$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71104 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 01:17:23 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_6315_20197772.1181783840322 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline If it sits well with all of youse... , i'd sort of prefer the label 'old farts', instead of 'old crowd'. It is far more individual and affectionate. that little useless response uttered, I hope we're all smiling a little... t. On 6/13/07, RICK WALKER wrote: > > Rainer wrote: > "It's all laptop these days, or at least dominated by them. The laptop > users > themselves are split into two main camps: MAX/MSP and Mobius. > Apart from that, there's of course still the old crowd using their > Repeaters, EDPs, Looperlatives and whatnot." > > > As a musician who feels he is right up with what's going on in the > digital musical world and who also uses Repeaters, EDPS and Looperlatives > eschewing the laptop paradigm for some very salient and well thought out > reasons, I take small > umbrage for your characterization of me as 'the old crowd'. > > Is John Mclaughlin considered old school if > he does not play a Line 6 digital modelled guitar? > > I think not. > > Don't get me wrong. I don't think that laptop users are making a bad > mistake. > In fact, Jeff Kaiser has come closer than any single musician to > convincing > me to > chuck all my hardware and go laptop. > > In the spirit of very friendly (and even affectionate, in your case, > Rainer) > disagreement, > > rick walker > > -- http://www.toddreynolds.com |: http://myspace.com/toddreynoldsmusic |: ------------------------------------------------------|: 917.576.6166 todd@toddreynolds.com toddreyn@gmail.com ------=_Part_6315_20197772.1181783840322 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline If it sits well with all of youse... , i'd sort of prefer the label 'old farts', instead of 'old crowd'. It is far more individual and affectionate.

that little useless response uttered, I hope we're all smiling a little...

t.

On 6/13/07, RICK WALKER <looppool@cruzio.com> wrote:
Rainer wrote:
"It's all laptop these days, or at least dominated by them. The laptop users
themselves are split into two main camps: MAX/MSP and Mobius.
Apart from that, there's of course still the old crowd using their
Repeaters, EDPs, Looperlatives and whatnot."

As a musician who feels he is right up with what's going on in the
digital musical world and who also uses Repeaters, EDPS and Looperlatives
eschewing the laptop paradigm for some very salient and well thought out
reasons,    I take small
umbrage for your characterization of me as 'the old crowd'.

Is John Mclaughlin considered old school if
he does not play a Line 6 digital modelled guitar?

I think not.

Don't get me wrong.  I don't think that laptop users are making a bad
mistake.
In fact, Jeff Kaiser has come closer than any single musician to convincing
me to
chuck all my hardware and go laptop.

In the spirit of very friendly (and even affectionate, in your case, Rainer)
disagreement,

rick walker

--
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http://myspace.com/toddreynoldsmusic  |:
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917.576.6166
todd@toddreynolds.com
toddreyn@gmail.com ------=_Part_6315_20197772.1181783840322-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 14 01:39:40 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 534063BF04; Thu, 14 Jun 2007 01:39:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <5.2.1.1.0.20070613181551.0623cd70@mail.onemodelplace.com> X-Sender: CaraQuinn@mail.onemodelplace.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.1 Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2007 18:40:38 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Cara Quinn Subject: Thoughts -was- RE: OT $1.95 synth! In-Reply-To: <54647.67.136.236.95.1181765516.squirrel@webmail.zerocrossi ng.net> References: <3B760999C264454D82652640BB74075C370E2B@keel.sailpoint.com> <930530.27108.qm@web35107.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <548E9D60-1DDB-40F5-88CF-284E8E344868@midway.uchicago.edu> <50489.67.136.237.160.1181697414.squirrel@webmail.zerocrossing.net> <50665.67.136.237.160.1181700796.squirrel@webmail.zerocrossing.net> <588ce11d0706122257u2a367b8ew368e6ed2500609c0@mail.gmail.com> <3B760999C264454D82652640BB74075C370E2B@keel.sailpoint.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-B9469D Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71105 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 01:39:40 +0000 (UTC) Mark said, Well then. Next time I run into a cute single girl I'll ask her about her feelings towards computer based audio loopers. lol! -hate to say this, but the only reasons I'm back in this again, are 1) Rick showed me a lot of respect for the art I can create / share, and a few others have echoed it... Which I'm truly grateful for beyond words. -and 2) I don't look at what I'm doing as "looping" necessarily, and view it simply as another creative voice I have. Quite frankly, to be honest, the whole geek factor associated with this form of music, is just not something I can stomach! lol! I could care less about how complex a piece someone can put together in front of me, while I'm waiting, wondering where the groove is? :) And I also am really not interested in how many loops someone might be juggling at a time, with what gear... I mean, like, gag me!!! :) Obviously, I need to consider the instruments that are available as this is a performance which is centered around this act of looping? :) -but the interest stops there... If the music makes me move and it's got IT, then I'm totally there!, and I don't care how they're making it. If someone is up there just wrestling with their equip or their own creativity and losing, lol! or is merely relying on the gear factor to either make the piece or somehow impress me, then it's like *yawn* -will go for a walk and come back laters.... :) I don't want to give the impression that I'm dissing this whole thing, because I'm not. As I said, this to me, is another avenue with which one can express themselves, which to me, is the key; -What's being expressed, geekie love of gear, :) or way passionate art and amazingly hot grooves?!!! Anyway, I'm betting I've said quite enough for now. :) So I'll just be quiet for a bit and wish y'all a wonderful evening!... -And I truly look forward to hearing some amazingly hot grooves later this year!!! :) Smiles, C-Quinn At 01:11 PM 6/13/2007 -0700, you wrote: > > > >> How the hell is Mobius free? > > > > I only do it to meet girls. > >Well then. Next time I run into a cute single girl I'll ask her about her >feelings towards computer based audio loopers. > > > > > Anyway, I think the synth is well worth the full price of $99, but... > >> $1.95? A steal. > > > > Frankly I think this is a clever but dangerous marketing gimick. They > > aren't going to sell 150,000 of these. > >Not at $99, but at $1.95... a painless paypal click and it's over. I'm in >Vegas (not for fun) and I hate gambling, but if I loose a $2 bet on >this... it's really nothing. > > > Oops sorry, we didn't make it to 150,000 so > > you lose. If they actually think they can get close to this > > number this is a huge marketing risk that may backfire. > >Lose $1.95. That's the key, it's so cheap. If I'm out $1.95 all I'll >really think is, "Jeff was right." > > > Hell there are probably 150,000 VSTi's available, > > half of them free. > >That is true, there are a few great free VSTs. A bunch of good free >VSTs... and a lot of crap that clutters your hard drive. Sorry Jeff, >yours is one of the great ones, but so far I've only found a few. If you >had a paypal donate site I'd be on it right now. No doubt. > > > I wish them well, but they show all the signs of being a group of > > talented engineers that know nothing about marketing. > >I don't know anything about that industry, but I can't help but think, >"This idea's so crazy, IT MIGHT JUST WORK!" ... and if it doesn't, I'm >out $1.95 (which is actually applicable to a purchase, so if you want the >synth, it's not like you lost anything. I was pretty impressed with the >light free version that came with ComputerMusic a few months ago. > > > > > >-- >No virus found in this incoming message. >Checked by AVG Free Edition. >Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 269.8.13/844 - Release Date: 6/11/2007 >5:10 PM --- View my on-line portfolio at: http://www.onemodelplace.com/CaraQuinn "The only things I really think are important, are love, and each other. -Then, anything is possible..." http://home.earthlink.net/~cara-quinn -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 269.8.13/844 - Release Date: 6/11/2007 5:10 PM From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 14 01:43:55 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C25833BEFB; Thu, 14 Jun 2007 01:43:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <5.2.1.1.0.20070613184237.00e11fc0@mail.onemodelplace.com> X-Sender: CaraQuinn@mail.onemodelplace.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.1 Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2007 18:44:52 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Cara Quinn Subject: Re: I now "get" the RC-50. In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-B9469D; boundary="=======AVGMAIL-46709D966C15=======" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71106 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 01:43:55 +0000 (UTC) --=======AVGMAIL-46709D966C15======= Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=====================_504599155==.ALT"; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-B9469D --=====================_504599155==.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-B9469D I wonder if there really ARE any BEST loopers?... hmmm?... :) I suppose I should have included this in my prior post... lol! Smiles, Cara At 04:48 PM 6/13/2007 -0400, you wrote: >Listen. I have been using looping devices most likely prior to you being >born. Hot Headed? Screw you and your cat pal. Don't EVER tell me what and >what not to say. That is precisely what a forum is all about. Who died and >made you king looper to begin with? The BEST loopers on the planet bar >none are software, midi controlled. PERIOD. My point was this. You want a >new wheel, fine. Just don't make one and put it on the market 2 years >prior to being so lame that it receives a thumbs down from 8 out of 10 >reviewers. Please don't suggest that the RC-50 is a valid & effecient >floor controlled looping device. IT'S NOT. By doing this Teddy, you hurt >everyone into looping. Get real. > >Jeff > > > > >---------- >See what's free at AOL.com. > > >No virus found in this incoming message. >Checked by AVG Free Edition. >Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 269.8.13/844 - Release Date: 6/11/2007 >5:10 PM --- View my on-line portfolio at: http://www.onemodelplace.com/CaraQuinn "The only things I really think are important, are love, and each other. -Then, anything is possible..." http://home.earthlink.net/~cara-quinn --=====================_504599155==.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-B9469D I wonder if there really ARE any BEST loopers?... hmmm?...

:) I suppose I should have included this in my prior post... lol!

Smiles,

Cara

At 04:48 PM 6/13/2007 -0400, you wrote:

Listen. I have been using looping devices most likely prior to you being born. Hot Headed? Screw you and your cat pal. Don't EVER tell me what and what not to say. That is precisely what a forum is all about. Who died and made you king looper to begin with? The BEST loopers on the planet bar none are software, midi controlled. PERIOD. My point was this. You want a new wheel, fine. Just don't make one and put it on the market 2 years prior to being so lame that it receives a thumbs down from 8 out of 10 reviewers. Please don't suggest that the RC-50 is a valid & effecient floor controlled looping device. IT'S NOT. By doing this Teddy, you hurt everyone into looping. Get real.

Jeff

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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 14 01:46:59 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7AD953BF05; Thu, 14 Jun 2007 01:46:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <5.2.1.1.0.20070613184658.00e12380@mail.onemodelplace.com> X-Sender: CaraQuinn@mail.onemodelplace.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.1 Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2007 18:47:57 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Cara Quinn Subject: Re: AW: Rogues' Gallery?... In-Reply-To: <000601c7ae07$1a273650$1001a8c0@succubus> References: <5.2.1.1.0.20070612200312.00e57698@mail.onemodelplace.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-B9469D Resent-Message-ID: <0W9L0.A.bVG.T4JcGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71107 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 01:46:59 +0000 (UTC) Thanks to you and all of the others who have been nice enough to keep me up to date! :) Much appreciated.... y'all rock!!! Smiles, CQ At 12:06 AM 6/14/2007 +0200, you wrote: > > Hey All, am wondering what the > > current rogues' > > gallery of loopers is like these days?... > >Just look here... http://www.y2k6loopfest.com/images.html > > > Am actually wondering what the current equip scene is? > >It's all laptop these days, or at least dominated by them. The laptop users >themselves are split into two main camps: MAX/MSP and Mobius. >Apart from that, there's of course still the old crowd using their >Repeaters, EDPs, Looperlatives and whatnot. > >I found this article I wrote (but never finished) about the gear scene at >the loopfest - enjoy! > > Rainer > >This article is about the gear setup people use when playing something >like.well, the Y2K6 International Live Looping Festival Santa Cruz/CA >(www.y2k6loopfest.com, in case somebody hasn't noticed). This article does >not claim to have any statistical relevance - mainly because I was out cold >during one day of the main festival and attended the kyberjam on the second. >But here we go: > >1. Nice Rack: >These are the people with a big 19'' equipment rack, which is usually >complemented by a choice of foot controllers. Lots of carrying, relatively >long setup time, great fun! >This may be combined with one or several instrument (guitar) amplifiers >(combos or really big ones), and even with some foot pedals. >Great examples include Ted Killian, Bill Walker and Mir-O. > >2. Pedal Board Rider: >Lots of pedals (and sometimes not-pedal stuff, like handheld devices) are >mounted on a big board. One cable goes from the guitar, bass or similar >instrument into this board, another one (or a pair) goes out to FOH or to an >instrument amp. >These are usually slightly lighter than the big racks and much quicker to >setup, simply because there are so few connections to make. >Great examples: Ryussei Hattori, Mando-Man (seems to be a Japanese >phenomenon). > >3. Laptop Nerd: >A laptop, and some other stuff. It makes sense to sub-divide that group into >two different sub-groups: >For one, there are the pure setups. There is the laptop, there are some MMI >elements (foot controller, faderbox), and there is an audio/MIDI interface. >But there are no external effect boxes and no external electronic >instruments. >More often however you'll find group two: hybrid setup where the laptop+MMI >is complemented with one or several "outlaptop" devices. A guitar >floorboard, an effects processor or something similar. >The nerd crew had shown some tremendous growth in the last year. While in >the past only dedicated laptopitians would use a laptop-based setup, >nowadays more and more former users of other setups (mostly rack-users >indeed) have switched to laptops. The range of laptops in use ranges from an >old 500MHz G3 up to a maxxed out DuoCore. >Great examples: Warren Sirrota, Per Boysen.and, well, myself. > >4. Distributed Stuff: >Lots of (mostly small) electronic components (like stompboxes, table-top >devices and perhaps a compact mixer) are brought along in a bag and then set >up on top of a table. This kind of a setup suffers mostly from the rather >big amount of cabling necessary when setting up in relation to the number of >devices used. >Great examples: Matt Davignon > >5. Small Stuff: >Most of the time one or two integrated stompboxes, sometimes enhanced by an >additional expression pedal etc. Small geometrical size and minimum weight >count here and thus great portability rating. Often it is possible to >entirely battery-power those setups (a property which they share with most >pedal boards). >Great examples: Genie (a distortion stompbox and a DL4), Pushing Air (a >beauty case (?) in mint green). > > > > > >-- >No virus found in this incoming message. >Checked by AVG Free Edition. >Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 269.8.13/844 - Release Date: 6/11/2007 >5:10 PM --- View my on-line portfolio at: http://www.onemodelplace.com/CaraQuinn "The only things I really think are important, are love, and each other. -Then, anything is possible..." http://home.earthlink.net/~cara-quinn -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 269.8.13/844 - Release Date: 6/11/2007 5:10 PM From wqgf@terasen.com Thu Jun 14 02:15:19 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 601 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Thu, 14 Jun 2007 02:15:18 UTC Received: from cliente-196-179.desktop.com.br (cliente-196-179.desktop.com.br [200.99.196.179]) by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 90BE03BEE8 for ; Thu, 14 Jun 2007 02:15:18 +0000 (UTC) Received: from ticxk.lyf ([26.167.27.204]) by cliente-196-179.desktop.com.br with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Wed, 13 Jun 2007 23:15:18 -0300 Message-ID: <001b01c7ae29$da7b8a10$cc1ba71a@ticxk.lyf> From: "Candida" To: Subject: Hello Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2007 23:15:18 -0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="Windows-1252"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 just look http://kdcopy.hk/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 14 04:27:39 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CAE013BEE6; Thu, 14 Jun 2007 04:27:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: References: <061320071459.5197.467006440009C0CC0000144D2216554886020A050C07080C0B0A079D00070B0703@comcast.net> <385aa74054b8861e3979c4d65bd21c4a@glasswing.com> <4EA73890-0E89-44E3-B829-F3566AE83D50@mac.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-4--522891311 Message-Id: <177DB0BA-94C9-4ABC-A658-1F230ECCB3CB@mac.com> From: Teddy Subject: Re: I now "get" the RC-50. Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 00:27:35 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAA== X-Brightmail-scanned: yes Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71108 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 04:27:39 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-4--522891311 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Hey Richard, oh ya... if you plug the RC-50 into your computer it just shows up as a hard drive. you can drag the loop audio into an audio editor, normalize, eq... whatever... then just save it back to the RC-50 with the same name and voila, your perfect take is at max volume now. That drive functionality is also great for backing up. Another great thing about the RC-50 Teddy On Jun 13, 2007, at 2:25 PM, Richard Sales wrote: > Thanks Teddy > > Yeah... I know I need to do some more homework on it. > > What I wanna do is be able to have three patches of guitar and then > add percussion on new loopable tracks live. I could possibly do > that in overdub but it seems, or so far it seems, that controlling > the volume in or out of the overdubs is tricky. And some of the > guitar patches I have in it I don't wanna have to do over again > because they're complex etc. > > Have you figured out a way to load from storage particular patches > from the computer? > > That's good news on the modeling thing. It never bothered me > before but once I got the idea in my head that it was changing the > sound of the guitar it bummed me out because I liked the sound so > much and didn't wanna lose it should I ever migrate to a different > looper. > > I don't think I'm gonna do that anytime soon. But if I can't find > a solution to the inability to loop percussion over existing parts > I may have to buy another RC50 or a looperlative or something > else. I do like the quantize thing and the ability to punch a > track to enter when the existing loop is done. Not sure if > looperlative does that. > > Might have to bite the bullet and get into Ableton. > > Thanks so much for the info. I'm glad there are smart people out > there using these things! > > richard sales > glassWing farm and studio > vancouver island, b.c. > 800.545.6846 > 250.752.4816 > www.glassWing.com > www.richardsales.com > www.hayleysales.com > www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com > On 13-Jun-07, at 10:59 AM, Teddy wrote: > >> Hi Richard, >> >> not enough loops as in not enough drum patterns? or not enough >> places to save loops? >> >> the levels are not hard to control if you set them all at unity >> and save it as a default patch. >> I think that is the thing about the RC-50. It's pretty flexible, >> which can be a problem for some. >> Once you understand that you'll be setting it up how you like it, >> then saving a default patch with those settings and always using >> that as a start patch, I think the thing is pretty darn good. >> >> As far as sync, we have some new people chiming in that it works >> fine if it is the master. >> I haven't tried it that way as I don't have anything to use with it. >> So that scenario might be fine. >> >> noisy? didn't notice that. >> can't turn modeling off? you mean like the built in flat amp >> simulator? that only works on the mic or aux, so it's not an issue >> with the main guitar input. >> it doesn't gate quiet passages here. It is flawless in sound quality. >> >> Teddy >> >> On Jun 13, 2007, at 11:51 AM, Richard Sales wrote: >> >>> I don't mind the RC50. But there are issues! (Off the top of my >>> head without thinking about it too much...) >>> >>> 1.) not enough loops. I don't like overdubbing because the levels >>> are hard to control. I might have to work on that, though. >>> 2.) it does something funny to the sound (I THINK it's the RC50 >>> that's doing it. I need to do a study of it. But I think it gates >>> quiet passages.) >>> 3.) I think it's noisy (pretty sure it's the RC 50) >>> 4.) If Teddy is right, sync issues, which I haven't tested yet >>> but, when I get around to it, could be fatal >>> 5.) The built in modeling can't be turned off unless you're going >>> in mic or aux. The modeling thing might be what causes the gating >>> effect I'm hearing. What bothers me most about the modeling is >>> that if and when I change loopers, the whole picture will change. >>> However, I LOVE the sound I'm getting. >>> >>> The nice thing about not enough loops is it forces economy and >>> sometimes economy forces creativity. And also thinking about >>> structure, if structure is a part of your game. And the guide >>> track has forced me to realize that I write a lot in 5 and 7/4. I >>> would have run into that with the sequencer too, but I've been on >>> an anti sequencer jag for a while now. >>> >>> I would never say it's a big waste of money because it's opened >>> up whole new continents of possibility for me, GIANT continents!) >>> but probably any quality sound looper could have done that. At >>> some point I'm sure I'll graduate to a Looperlative, but I need >>> to really study that. >>> >>> I haven't really done any real tests to see if the sound issues >>> are the RC50 or the gizmos I have in the chain. Whenever I sit >>> down to test it I start playing which always carries me away from >>> the world of rational thinking, testing etc. And that by itself >>> is worth much more than 500 ducks. >>> >>> richard sales >>> >>> On 13-Jun-07, at 7:59 AM, midifriedchicken@comcast.net wrote: >>> >>>> I understand where you're coming from. But in the situation I >>>> outlined, it works great. Nobodys time is perfect that the loop >>>> is flawless. A drummer playing in time will always drift a >>>> little. Even if you are that perfect, you will never hit every >>>> loop all night at a gig. >>>> But yes, for solo stuff the RC-50 has its issues. --Apple-Mail-4--522891311 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hey Richard,

oh ya... if you plug the = RC-50 into your computer it just shows up as a hard drive.
you can = drag the loop audio into an audio editor, normalize, eq... whatever... = then just save it back to the RC-50 with the same name and voila, your = perfect take is at max volume now.
That drive functionality is = also great for backing up.
Another great thing about the = RC-50

Teddy

On Jun 13, 2007, at 2:25 PM, Richard Sales wrote:

Thanks Teddy
Yeah... I know I need to = do some more homework on it.=A0

What I wanna do is be able to have three patches of guitar and = then add percussion on new loopable tracks live.=A0 I could possibly do that in = overdub but it seems, or so far it seems, that controlling the volume in = or out of the overdubs is tricky.=A0= And some of the guitar patches I have in it I don't wanna have = to do over again because they're complex etc. =A0

Have you figured out a way to load from storage particular = patches from the computer?=A0

That's good news on the modeling thing.=A0 It never bothered me before = but once I got the idea in my head that it was changing the sound of the = guitar it bummed me out because I liked the sound so much and didn't = wanna lose it should I ever migrate to a different looper.=A0

I = don't think I'm gonna do that anytime soon.=A0 But if I can't find a = solution to the inability to loop percussion over existing parts I may = have to buy another RC50 or a looperlative or something else.=A0 I do like the quantize thing = and the ability to punch a track to enter when the existing loop is = done.=A0 Not sure if = looperlative does that.=A0 = =A0

Might have to bite the bullet and get into = Ableton. =A0

Thanks so much for the info.=A0 I'm glad there are smart = people out there using these things!
richard = sales
glassWing farm and studio
vancouver island, b.c.
800.545.6846
250.752.4816
www.glassWing.com
www.richardsales.com
www.hayleysales.com
www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com
On 13-Jun-07, at 10:59 AM, Teddy wrote:

Hi Richard,
not enough loops as in = not enough drum patterns? or not enough places to save = loops?

the levels are not hard to control if you set = them all at unity and save it as a default patch.
I think that is the thing about the RC-50. It's = pretty flexible, which can be a problem for some.
Once you understand that you'll be setting it up = how you like it, then saving a default patch with those settings and = always using that as a start patch, I think the thing is pretty darn = good.

As far as sync, we have some new people chiming = in that it works fine if it is the master.
I haven't tried it that way as I don't have = anything to use with it.
So that scenario might be fine.

noisy? didn't notice that.
can't turn modeling off? you mean like the built in flat amp = simulator? that only works on the mic or aux, so it's not an issue with = the main guitar input.
it doesn't gate quiet passages here. It is flawless in sound = quality.

Teddy
On Jun 13, 2007, at = 11:51 AM, Richard Sales wrote:
I = don't mind the RC50. But there are issues! (Off the top of my head = without thinking about it too much...)

1.) not enough loops. I don't like overdubbing because the = levels are hard to control. I might have to work on that, = though.
2.) it does something = funny to the sound (I THINK it's the RC50 that's doing it. I need to do = a study of it. But I think it gates quiet passages.)
3.) I think it's noisy (pretty sure it's the RC = 50)
4.) If Teddy is right, = sync issues, which I haven't tested yet but, when I get around to it, = could be fatal
5.) The built in = modeling can't be turned off unless you're going in mic or aux. The = modeling thing might be what causes the gating effect I'm hearing. What = bothers me most about the modeling is that if and when I change loopers, = the whole picture will change. However, I LOVE the sound I'm = getting.

The nice thing about not enough loops is it = forces economy and sometimes economy forces creativity. And also = thinking about structure, if structure is a part of your game. And the = guide track has forced me to realize that I write a lot in 5 and 7/4. I = would have run into that with the sequencer too, but I've been on an = anti sequencer jag for a while now.=A0

I = would never say it's a big waste of money because it's opened up whole = new continents of possibility for me, GIANT continents!) but probably = any quality sound looper could have done that. At some point I'm sure = I'll graduate to a Looperlative, but I need to really study that.=A0

I = haven't really done any real tests to see if the sound issues are the = RC50 or the gizmos I have in the chain. Whenever I sit down to test it I = start playing which always carries me away from the world of rational = thinking, testing etc.=A0 = And that by itself is worth much more than 500 = ducks.

richard sales
On 13-Jun-07, at 7:59 = AM, midifriedchicken@comcast.net<= /A> wrote:

=
I understand = where you're coming from. But in the situation I outlined, it works = great. Nobodys time is perfect that the loop is flawless. A drummer = playing in time will always drift a little. Even if you are that = perfect, you will never hit every loop all night at a = gig.
But yes, for solo stuff = the RC-50 has its = issues.

=

= --Apple-Mail-4--522891311-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 14 04:28:55 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4E9B73BEEA; Thu, 14 Jun 2007 04:28:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: <061320072106.18662.46705C68000C53F7000048E62216554886020A050C07080C0B0A079D00070B0703@comcast.net> References: <061320072106.18662.46705C68000C53F7000048E62216554886020A050C07080C0B0A079D00070B0703@comcast.net> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-5--522810986 Message-Id: From: Teddy Subject: Re: I now "get" the RC-50. Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 00:28:55 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAA== X-Brightmail-scanned: yes Resent-Message-ID: <5SbqBD.A.vlE.GQMcGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71109 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 04:28:55 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-5--522810986 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed I didn't want to say it thanks On Jun 13, 2007, at 5:06 PM, midifriedchicken@comcast.net wrote: > Wow, what a dick. > > -------------- Original message -------------- > From: BreachinThePeace@aol.com > Listen. I have been using looping devices most likely prior to you > being born. Hot Headed? Screw you and your cat pal. Don't EVER tell > me what and what not to say. That is precisely what a forum is all > about. Who died and made you king looper to begin with? The BEST > loopers on the planet bar none are software, midi controlled. > PERIOD. My point was this. You want a new wheel, fine. Just don't > make one and put it on the market 2 years prior to being so lame > that it receives a thumbs down from 8 out of 10 reviewers. Please > don't suggest that the RC-50 is a valid & effecient floor > controlled looping device. IT'S NOT. By doing this Teddy, you hurt > everyone into looping. Get real. > > Jeff --Apple-Mail-5--522810986 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 I = didn't want to say it

thanks

On Jun 13, = 2007, at 5:06 PM, midifriedchicken@comcast.net<= /A> wrote:

Wow, =A0what a dick.

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Listen. I have been using looping devices most likely = prior to you being born. Hot Headed? Screw you and your cat pal. Don't = EVER tell me what and what not to say. That is precisely what a forum is = all about. Who died and made you king looper to begin with?=A0The BEST = loopers on the planet bar none are software, midi controlled. PERIOD. My = point was this. You want a new wheel, fine. Just don't make one and put = it on the market 2 years prior to being so lame that it receives a = thumbs down from 8 out of 10 reviewers. Please don't suggest that the = RC-50 is a valid & effecient=A0floor controlled looping device. IT'S = NOT. By doing this Teddy, you hurt everyone into looping. Get = real.=A0=A0=A0

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= --Apple-Mail-5--522810986-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 14 04:39:58 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 30A293BEF7; Thu, 14 Jun 2007 04:39:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [4.246.75.157] X-Originating-Email: [sambacomet@hotmail.com] X-Sender: sambacomet@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <20070614042740.010703BEF7@arsenic.violacea.com> From: "samba -" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Case against laptops Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2007 21:39:54 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Jun 2007 04:39:55.0916 (UTC) FILETIME=[0E9464C0:01C7AE3E] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71110 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 04:39:58 +0000 (UTC) One clear advantage to not using a laptop is that people working at laptops are not particularly interesting to watch. There's a whole style now I call 'Top of the Head' music 'cause that's all one sees. Pretty bland.I'm perfectly happy to do without visual stimulation,esp if the music is good,but some showmanship goes a log way. That's agreat thig about percussion-the players look like they're doing something. An interesting set of mysterious gadgets can really help get people engaged. So my suggestion to TOTH laptoppers is,either learn some dance moves,or add light show. _________________________________________________________________ Like puzzles? Play free games & earn great prizes. Play Clink now. http://club.live.com/clink.aspx?icid=clink_hotmailtextlink2 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 14 04:47:20 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E0C7E3BF05; Thu, 14 Jun 2007 04:47:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [63.93.82.76] From: max valentino To: Subject: RE: MORE LOOPS? and a bit of ROUGE"S GALLERY Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 04:47:18 +0000 Importance: Normal Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Jun 2007 04:47:18.0629 (UTC) FILETIME=[16750950:01C7AE3F] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71111 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 04:47:19 +0000 (UTC) Sheesh, Rick....at last someone finally said it! There does seem to be a s= ort of "preference" amongst loopists to have "as many loops as possible run= ning". And even with many of the advanced processing powers of this curren= t generation of both soft and hardware loopers, it still pretty much become= s the concept of filling a box until it overflows( or, perhaps...driving in= to a thick fog bank; desperately searching for a way out...) I think this also ties in to our obsession over the gear we use. There hav= e been quite a few threads of late which lament the absence of or decry the= need for certain feature sets within hardware and software looping devices= . As if to say that your music cannot be produced without these features. = To some extent we may have lost sight of what is actually being done: musi= c. Looping, no matter how intrinsinct and neccessary to the performance of= the music, is merely a technique used in the production/performance of tha= t music. It seems that to many looping is not a means to end, but the end = itself. I think the techniques and practices of looping are beneficial in helping = one to cast aside an existing paradigm regarding the compostional/improvisa= tional approaches to music, but they are also a great aid in understanding = how more "conventional" approaches work. Yet, that being said, I don't thi= nk they work well in developing the "one-man-band" approach. And, as a lis= tener, I find the practice of "filling up" a musical "space" with dense loo= page to be fairly boring (and the visual performance side of watching someo= ne painstakingly assemble all of this...hunched over his twinkling, blinkin= g gear, carefully twiddling and tweaking....well, that would run about par = with watching a documentary of a novelist at work...). So try this....sit down with your gear, whatever that be, and create some m= usic...rich, deep, adventurous music...using as few loops as neccessary. H= ow far can you go not being so reliant on the technology? (I do know thare = are a great number of you who can go far....very far...). How far can you = go using your skills as a player and musician before engaing the "loop reco= rd"? This is something I have been working on quite a bit. Where not only do I = limit the number of loops/overdubs I am running, but I actually "control" t= he amount of looping in a piece. For instance, in seeing a number of loopi= ng performances, one of the first things which happens in any number of set= s is the "record" is engaged. SO the first thing heard is a loop being rec= orded. OK, so that is actually fine.. even accpetable to a certain extent.= Yet, this routine seems to follow with more and more attention being paid = the footswitches and blinking LEDs than the audience; more tapping and dial= ing and tweaking than playing. I am working on a number of pieces where the looped segments are not the in= itial "bit" of the piece....in fact, in several the loops just suddenly app= ear admidst a bit of real-time solo playing. In a few pieces, the looping i= s made quite randomly (rthymically tapping in and out while the looper is i= n bypass; recording bits...albeit some often quite glitchy bits...but not p= laying them back until i fade that loop into the piece which I am playing..= the results are always surprising). And, I am conscious of keeping the loops from become a constant or static e= vent within a piece...even when the looping transforms and morhs itself alo= ng the way, I try to mantain a balance of the techniques of "looping" and "= playing" (again, there is nothing WRONG with former approach...letting the = loops build and build); meaning I rarely start a piece with a loop, and har= dly ever let a loop(s) run throughout a piece. I try to ceate a dynamic of= loopage and live playing. In college, I had a big name composer as one of my professors. One of his = lessons, and one I remember having a deep and profound effect on me, invol= ved the saying, "nothing sounds better than a lot of things"..which can of = course be taken quite paradoxically, but the reference was that nothing, or= a minimal of anything will sound better than a lot of anything (all piled = up). Take this "cum granno salis" as a philosphy on looping, but it works for me= . Oh...as to the Rouge's Gallery.....real simple: Rick Turner fretted and fre= tless Basses into a Demeter Tube DI (input buffer) into a custom modded Lex= icon JamMan (modded by Bob Sellon and featuring, amongst other upgrades, mu= ltiple parallel and serial loops)to a tube DI (I have slimmed down my rig c= onsiderably of late...) All JamMan functions controlled by two Digitech FS3= 00 footswitches. JamMan sometimes replaced by a EDP with LoopIV. Simple, efficient, and extremely consistent and portable......the limitatio= ns of this setup make me work to a greater degree with my skills as a perfo= rmer and player. This seems to engage the audience at a greater level. I u= se no fx, other than what I can manually apply to the bass with my hands or= "preparations" such as alligator clips and such. Quite the opposite of the= "one-man-band" syndrome. In my case it is one guy playing one instrument = solo...looping is merely an extension of that. Max ---------------------------------------- > From: looppool@cruzio.com > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: MORE LOOPS? > Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2007 15:15:21 -0700 >=20 > In recent threads and frequently on this list I > hear people complain that this or that device doesn't have > enough separate loop capability. >=20 > Just because I've done a lot of duet, trio and quartet live looping=20 > performances > in the last 12 years, I've come to believe that the biggest problem > with onstage live looping improvisation is that TOO MANY LOOPS get record= ed > a good deal of the time. >=20 > I think a lot of loopers forget that if three people play and create=20 > synchronized loops > that a six person band has now been created. >=20 > In a conventional band setting, if you have six people playing it means= =20 > that you have to > think of being just 1/6 of the entire musical output when you play and=20 > attenuate your musical > output accordingly. >=20 > I have found in my own playing (and as a drummer percussionist, I can=20 > frequently > have more overdubbed instruments than is typical of guitarist, keyboardis= t,=20 > horn players > or vocalists) that I rarely have more than two loop layers playing at on= ce=20 > just because > it limits what can be played on top of the music. > Frequently I will only lay one loop down in music I'm playing (unless I'm= =20 > purposefully > attempting the 'one person band' approach. Even in that instance, I'v= e=20 > discovered that > the more minimal a part is on a given instrument, the more the piece of= =20 > music can > handle additional parts or more interesting focal improvisation over the = top=20 > of it. >=20 > Even the most successful experimental players seem to have economy in the= ir > approach..............things are so 'out' as it is, that a kind of=20 > minimalism helps > an audience to hear the really clear ideas they put out. >=20 > Of course, it's silly to be black and white about this, but I run into a= =20 > lot of musicians > who believe that music is just a series of elements layered on top of one= =20 > another, as opposed > to a bunch of elements that are meticulously arranged to interact with ea= ch=20 > other: > some things purposefully played to support focal elements in the music;=20 > some things > played that are rhythmically, harmonically or timbrally subsets of focal= =20 > elements. >=20 > It could be that as a life long drummer who's role has been to accompany= =20 > musicians > that I'm more intrinsically inclined to have this arrangement approach to= =20 > things, but > I have found that the most successful improvisers in this live looping=20 > business are the ones > who really get how every single element in the music interacts with every= =20 > other one. >=20 > So, my long winded point is that there is a distinct danger using this=20 > technology > to play TOO MANY LOOPS at the same time. Why am I=20 > shouting.............................I DON'T KNOW WHY!!!!! >=20 > your thoughts?=20 >=20 _________________________________________________________________ With Windows Live Hotmail, you can personalize your inbox with your favorit= e color. www.windowslive-hotmail.com/learnmore/personalize.html?locale=3Den-us&ocid= =3DTXT_TAGLM_HMWL_reten_addcolor_0607= From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 14 05:04:40 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 134913BEFC; Thu, 14 Jun 2007 05:04:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Qua Veda" To: Subject: RE: Case against laptops Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2007 22:04:45 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 thread-index: AceuPt6m/JwVh64+QhuHYILoahG9BAAApByw Message-Id: <200706132210640.SM02852@quahome> X-RBL-Warning: REVDNS: This E-mail was sent from a MUA/MTA 206.212.233.27 with no reverse DNS entry. X-Declude-Sender: qua@oregon.com [206.212.233.27] X-Declude-Spoolname: Dcdb7052c0000e22f.smd X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude JunkMail (www.declude.com) for spam. Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71112 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 05:04:40 +0000 (UTC) Well, there you have it! Add a light show , or video, or surround, - a computer makes a great platform to do that :-) -Qua -----Original Message----- From: samba - [mailto:sambacomet@hotmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2007 9:40 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Case against laptops One clear advantage to not using a laptop is that people working at laptops are not particularly interesting to watch. There's a whole style now I call 'Top of the Head' music 'cause that's all one sees. Pretty bland.I'm perfectly happy to do without visual stimulation,esp if the music is good,but some showmanship goes a log way. That's agreat thig about percussion-the players look like they're doing something. An interesting set of mysterious gadgets can really help get people engaged. So my suggestion to TOTH laptoppers is,either learn some dance moves,or add light show. _________________________________________________________________ Like puzzles? Play free games & earn great prizes. Play Clink now. http://club.live.com/clink.aspx?icid=clink_hotmailtextlink2 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 14 05:05:09 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CF4E03BEFE; Thu, 14 Jun 2007 05:05:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [206.223.204.211] X-Originating-Email: [aaronleese@hotmail.com] X-Sender: aaronleese@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: From: "aaron leese" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT $1.95 synth! Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 01:05:04 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Jun 2007 05:05:08.0559 (UTC) FILETIME=[942F65F0:01C7AE41] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71113 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 05:05:09 +0000 (UTC) Ambient stuff ........ how bout a piano ? Is there any free/cheap VSTs yet that sound like a reasonable piano or EP or organ ... (please dont tell me crystal .. it sounds like crap .... as do the few other free one's I've tried). I know .... programmers for things like sampletank need to make money too .... I am probably expecting too much .... but one of these days there will be a free VST instrument that really sounds good. Until then, I'll keep toting my triton rack around. >From: "Tony K" >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Re: OT $1.95 synth! >Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2007 15:46:03 -0400 > >First off, Wuskstation is very very nice. Makes nice ambient textures. I >played with the demo and a friend of mine bought it. Good stuff. > >Like Jeff, I think they are a bit off in the marketing. Assuming the DO >manage this, they'd make roughly $300,000. I think they'd be way more >likely to sell 15,000 copies at $20 each. Or 10,000 at $30... but 150,000 >users? I think that's a tad high. But, for their sake, I hope we are >wrong. > >And some music software companies do price their stuff pretty low. >Tunafish >(Brambos.com) is $35, I think, but he's not selling enough to support >himself. Selling software is tough. Very tough. I've worked for enough >startups to know that even if you have a great idea, that's not enough. > >Tony > >On 6/13/07, Jeff Larson wrote: >> >> >> > For so long I've wondered, "Why don't music software companies price >> > like game software?" Sell many units for less. >> >>Because the size of the markets aren't even close to the same. I >>don't have any hard data, but I'd be surprised if the number of units >>of game software sold isn't at least a hundred times larger than the >>number of units of music software. You can't "make it up in volume" >>if there is no volume. >> >> > How the hell is Mobius free? >> >>I only do it to meet girls. >> >>Anyway, I think the synth is well worth the full price of $99, but... >> > $1.95? A steal. >> >>Frankly I think this is a clever but dangerous marketing gimick. They >>aren't going to sell 150,000 of these. But they may get 50,000 people >>to pay a non-refundable $2 deposit. What happens if only 149,950 >>people pay their deposit. Oops sorry, we didn't make it to 150,000 so >>you lose. If they actually think they can get close to this >>number this is a huge marketing risk that may backfire. >> >>Their analysis of the market size doesn't show much thought. "All in >>all there must be over 10 million VST users around the globe" is just >>a wild guess. But even if we believed that, the VSTi market is >>extremely crowded. Hell there are probably 150,000 VSTi's available, >>half of them free. >> >>A mistake a lot of software developers make (not just in music software) >>is thinking it is all about cost. People are willing to pay for >>quality, but they have to know something exists, and that thing has >>to be somehow different than the things they already own. >> >>I wish them well, but they show all the signs of being a group of >>talented engineers that know nothing about marketing. >> >>Jeff >> >> > > >-- >-==-=-=- >Tony _________________________________________________________________ PC Magazine’s 2007 editors’ choice for best Web mail—award-winning Windows Live Hotmail. http://imagine-windowslive.com/hotmail/?locale=en-us&ocid=TXT_TAGHM_migration_HM_mini_pcmag_0507 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 14 05:25:13 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 877323BF08; Thu, 14 Jun 2007 05:25:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=Xaz12hg1q3+mkhES5kyYNKQQyysTApCxjOv/fLr2BX/MNyQh/C7QGqVEOpPoMhT1cmUtbHw3T2e3PIdw+gsJ2ZlG9jgz/LzI73XEeajTr1s2AwbvTI/isEyJCQymATzcC2I8ALG0+KsrWSdQjLgBSqCHKQlREPex2XU9vrjsR7k= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=KqSXxRVTPttCX/LR6LHZwYW5T6QnwiDWuwQW8cnMPPTbxq0S5jUtWag6bs5iIA6O3uyAN/Ef5LkZxp5EDEKqlu3PPcqviwuWqKtqhFWJkRwxxboCo7lDVpV7SaHHvgbI/F4tTWUu8ztcXFkBc1Eig84P/+w95K3cjHzsXlytwyI= Message-ID: <4cf76a0b0706132225n7ef67bc2t493e320e91e26b58@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2007 22:25:12 -0700 From: "miles ward" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Case against laptops In-Reply-To: <200706132210640.SM02852@quahome> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <200706132210640.SM02852@quahome> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71114 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 05:25:13 +0000 (UTC) Better: hook up really really strange things to griffin powermates and other input devices and be a total nut on stage by twisting and mashing things to make sounds.. I remember a BT show where he had the pitch wheels on his keyboards tied to strings that tied to the ground, and the keyboards were on springs, so he would push the whole keyboard table over to bend notes down, and if he let go they would splay back and forth... bending pitch along back and forth... amazing to watch! On 6/13/07, Qua Veda wrote: > Well, there you have it! Add a light show , or video, or surround, - a > computer makes a great platform to do that :-) > > -Qua > > -----Original Message----- > From: samba - [mailto:sambacomet@hotmail.com] > Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2007 9:40 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Case against laptops > > > One clear advantage to not using a laptop is that people working at > laptops are not particularly interesting to watch. There's a whole style now > I call 'Top of the Head' music 'cause that's all one sees. Pretty bland.I'm > perfectly happy to do without visual stimulation,esp if the music is > good,but some showmanship goes a log way. That's agreat thig about > percussion-the players look like they're doing something. An interesting set > of mysterious gadgets can really help get people engaged. So my suggestion > to TOTH laptoppers is,either learn some dance moves,or add light show. > > _________________________________________________________________ > Like puzzles? Play free games & earn great prizes. Play Clink now. > http://club.live.com/clink.aspx?icid=clink_hotmailtextlink2 > > > -- ---Miles Ward From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 14 05:38:38 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EF6FF3BF0B; Thu, 14 Jun 2007 05:38:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 13:38:22 +0800 From: Randolf Arriola Subject: Re: I now "get" the RC-50. To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <005e01c7ae46$39c8c070$6e01a8c0@embryo> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_38j5K7ozCi05M94JbdoPVg)" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <061320071459.5197.467006440009C0CC0000144D2216554886020A050C07080C0B0A079D00070B0703@comcast.net> <385aa74054b8861e3979c4d65bd21c4a@glasswing.com> <4EA73890-0E89-44E3-B829-F3566AE83D50@mac.com> <177DB0BA-94C9-4ABC-A658-1F230ECCB3CB@mac.com> Resent-Message-ID: <7XM3xC.A.zDB.dRNcGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71115 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 05:38:37 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_38j5K7ozCi05M94JbdoPVg) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT The default Self Quantize feature of the RC50 that some seem to be taking issue with can actually be disabled. From my experience so far I think what's really critical is creating the initial loop and the careful stepping on and off of the record footswitch. This is where practice to feel is required. So far so good for me with the RC50. Randolf Arriola (aka the embryo) Hp 97584919 http://www.soundclick.com/bands/5/theembryo.htm http://www.myspace.com/the_embryo ----- Original Message ----- From: Teddy To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2007 12:27 PM Subject: Re: I now "get" the RC-50. Hey Richard, oh ya... if you plug the RC-50 into your computer it just shows up as a hard drive. you can drag the loop audio into an audio editor, normalize, eq... whatever... then just save it back to the RC-50 with the same name and voila, your perfect take is at max volume now. That drive functionality is also great for backing up. Another great thing about the RC-50 Teddy On Jun 13, 2007, at 2:25 PM, Richard Sales wrote: Thanks Teddy Yeah... I know I need to do some more homework on it. What I wanna do is be able to have three patches of guitar and then add percussion on new loopable tracks live. I could possibly do that in overdub but it seems, or so far it seems, that controlling the volume in or out of the overdubs is tricky. And some of the guitar patches I have in it I don't wanna have to do over again because they're complex etc. Have you figured out a way to load from storage particular patches from the computer? That's good news on the modeling thing. It never bothered me before but once I got the idea in my head that it was changing the sound of the guitar it bummed me out because I liked the sound so much and didn't wanna lose it should I ever migrate to a different looper. I don't think I'm gonna do that anytime soon. But if I can't find a solution to the inability to loop percussion over existing parts I may have to buy another RC50 or a looperlative or something else. I do like the quantize thing and the ability to punch a track to enter when the existing loop is done. Not sure if looperlative does that. Might have to bite the bullet and get into Ableton. Thanks so much for the info. I'm glad there are smart people out there using these things! richard sales glassWing farm and studio vancouver island, b.c. 800.545.6846 250.752.4816 www.glassWing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com On 13-Jun-07, at 10:59 AM, Teddy wrote: Hi Richard, not enough loops as in not enough drum patterns? or not enough places to save loops? the levels are not hard to control if you set them all at unity and save it as a default patch. I think that is the thing about the RC-50. It's pretty flexible, which can be a problem for some. Once you understand that you'll be setting it up how you like it, then saving a default patch with those settings and always using that as a start patch, I think the thing is pretty darn good. As far as sync, we have some new people chiming in that it works fine if it is the master. I haven't tried it that way as I don't have anything to use with it. So that scenario might be fine. noisy? didn't notice that. can't turn modeling off? you mean like the built in flat amp simulator? that only works on the mic or aux, so it's not an issue with the main guitar input. it doesn't gate quiet passages here. It is flawless in sound quality. Teddy On Jun 13, 2007, at 11:51 AM, Richard Sales wrote: I don't mind the RC50. But there are issues! (Off the top of my head without thinking about it too much...) 1.) not enough loops. I don't like overdubbing because the levels are hard to control. I might have to work on that, though. 2.) it does something funny to the sound (I THINK it's the RC50 that's doing it. I need to do a study of it. But I think it gates quiet passages.) 3.) I think it's noisy (pretty sure it's the RC 50) 4.) If Teddy is right, sync issues, which I haven't tested yet but, when I get around to it, could be fatal 5.) The built in modeling can't be turned off unless you're going in mic or aux. The modeling thing might be what causes the gating effect I'm hearing. What bothers me most about the modeling is that if and when I change loopers, the whole picture will change. However, I LOVE the sound I'm getting. The nice thing about not enough loops is it forces economy and sometimes economy forces creativity. And also thinking about structure, if structure is a part of your game. And the guide track has forced me to realize that I write a lot in 5 and 7/4. I would have run into that with the sequencer too, but I've been on an anti sequencer jag for a while now. I would never say it's a big waste of money because it's opened up whole new continents of possibility for me, GIANT continents!) but probably any quality sound looper could have done that. At some point I'm sure I'll graduate to a Looperlative, but I need to really study that. I haven't really done any real tests to see if the sound issues are the RC50 or the gizmos I have in the chain. Whenever I sit down to test it I start playing which always carries me away from the world of rational thinking, testing etc. And that by itself is worth much more than 500 ducks. richard sales On 13-Jun-07, at 7:59 AM, midifriedchicken@comcast.net wrote: I understand where you're coming from. But in the situation I outlined, it works great. Nobodys time is perfect that the loop is flawless. A drummer playing in time will always drift a little. Even if you are that perfect, you will never hit every loop all night at a gig. But yes, for solo stuff the RC-50 has its issues. --Boundary_(ID_38j5K7ozCi05M94JbdoPVg) Content-type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT
The default Self Quantize feature of the RC50 that some seem to be taking issue with can actually be disabled. From my experience so far I think what's really critical is creating the initial loop and the careful stepping on and off of the record footswitch. This is where practice to feel is required. So far so good for me with the RC50.

Randolf Arriola (aka the embryo)
Hp 97584919
http://www.soundclick.com/bands/5/theembryo.htm
http://www.myspace.com/the_embryo

----- Original Message -----

From: Teddy

To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com

Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2007 12:27 PM

Subject: Re: I now "get" the RC-50.

Hey Richard,

oh ya... if you plug the RC-50 into your computer it just shows up as a hard drive.
you can drag the loop audio into an audio editor, normalize, eq... whatever... then just save it back to the RC-50 with the same name and voila, your perfect take is at max volume now.

That drive functionality is also great for backing up.

Another great thing about the RC-50

Teddy

On Jun 13, 2007, at 2:25 PM, Richard Sales wrote:

Thanks Teddy

Yeah... I know I need to do some more homework on it.

What I wanna do is be able to have three patches of guitar and then add percussion on new loopable tracks live. I could possibly do that in overdub but it seems, or so far it seems, that controlling the volume in or out of the overdubs is tricky. And some of the guitar patches I have in it I don't wanna have to do over again because they're complex etc.

Have you figured out a way to load from storage particular patches from the computer?

That's good news on the modeling thing. It never bothered me before but once I got the idea in my head that it was changing the sound of the guitar it bummed me out because I liked the sound so much and didn't wanna lose it should I ever migrate to a different looper.

I don't think I'm gonna do that anytime soon. But if I can't find a solution to the inability to loop percussion over existing parts I may have to buy another RC50 or a looperlative or something else. I do like the quantize thing and the ability to punch a track to enter when the existing loop is done. Not sure if looperlative does that.

Might have to bite the bullet and get into Ableton.

Thanks so much for the info. I'm glad there are smart people out there using these things!

richard sales

glassWing farm and studio

vancouver island, b.c.

800.545.6846

250.752.4816

www.glassWing.com

www.richardsales.com

www.hayleysales.com

www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com

On 13-Jun-07, at 10:59 AM, Teddy wrote:

Hi Richard,

not enough loops as in not enough drum patterns? or not enough places to save loops?

the levels are not hard to control if you set them all at unity and save it as a default patch.

I think that is the thing about the RC-50. It's pretty flexible, which can be a problem for some.

Once you understand that you'll be setting it up how you like it, then saving a default patch with those settings and always using that as a start patch, I think the thing is pretty darn good.

As far as sync, we have some new people chiming in that it works fine if it is the master.

I haven't tried it that way as I don't have anything to use with it.

So that scenario might be fine.

noisy? didn't notice that.

can't turn modeling off? you mean like the built in flat amp simulator? that only works on the mic or aux, so it's not an issue with the main guitar input.

it doesn't gate quiet passages here. It is flawless in sound quality.

Teddy

On Jun 13, 2007, at 11:51 AM, Richard Sales wrote:

I don't mind the RC50. But there are issues! (Off the top of my head without thinking about it too much...)

1.) not enough loops. I don't like overdubbing because the levels are hard to control. I might have to work on that, though.

2.) it does something funny to the sound (I THINK it's the RC50 that's doing it. I need to do a study of it. But I think it gates quiet passages.)

3.) I think it's noisy (pretty sure it's the RC 50)

4.) If Teddy is right, sync issues, which I haven't tested yet but, when I get around to it, could be fatal

5.) The built in modeling can't be turned off unless you're going in mic or aux. The modeling thing might be what causes the gating effect I'm hearing. What bothers me most about the modeling is that if and when I change loopers, the whole picture will change. However, I LOVE the sound I'm getting.

The nice thing about not enough loops is it forces economy and sometimes economy forces creativity. And also thinking about structure, if structure is a part of your game. And the guide track has forced me to realize that I write a lot in 5 and 7/4. I would have run into that with the sequencer too, but I've been on an anti sequencer jag for a while now.

I would never say it's a big waste of money because it's opened up whole new continents of possibility for me, GIANT continents!) but probably any quality sound looper could have done that. At some point I'm sure I'll graduate to a Looperlative, but I need to really study that.

I haven't really done any real tests to see if the sound issues are the RC50 or the gizmos I have in the chain. Whenever I sit down to test it I start playing which always carries me away from the world of rational thinking, testing etc. And that by itself is worth much more than 500 ducks.

richard sales

On 13-Jun-07, at 7:59 AM, midifriedchicken@comcast.net wrote:

I understand where you're coming from. But in the situation I outlined, it works great. Nobodys time is perfect that the loop is flawless. A drummer playing in time will always drift a little. Even if you are that perfect, you will never hit every loop all night at a gig.

But yes, for solo stuff the RC-50 has its issues.

--Boundary_(ID_38j5K7ozCi05M94JbdoPVg)-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 14 06:00:08 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6C2FC3BF10; Thu, 14 Jun 2007 06:00:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Jens Wolters" To: Subject: AW: I now "get" the RC-50. Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 08:00:06 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 In-Reply-To: <20070613183810.kuxihw8zk04c4kwc@www.wightman.ca> thread-index: AceuC4hr6cQR2GP6RP+XKu9wGf6hZgAPJLTA Message-Id: <20070614060007.D5A4A3BEFC@arsenic.violacea.com> Resent-Message-ID: <74K7Y.A.FAC.olNcGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71116 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 06:00:08 +0000 (UTC) Hi guys, I used th RC-50 for 2 days at home and one session. I bought the RC-50 cause: - I wanted to play in sync with the drummer - Tap the tempo of the loop with my foot and use the time strech feature = of the RC-50 The RC-50 runs out of sync and the time stretch function sounds = horrible.=20 I have to admit it is really nice to have 3 loops available. It is not a = bad device at all. For what I wanted it to do it just didn't make sense. I am just using my RC-20 now cause it is very intuitive in a live setup. For the synced = loop stuff I am going to use Mobius in the future. This is really what I have been looking for all the time.=20 If the unit would have been cheaper I could have lived with those = "bugs".=20 My recommendation is. Either get something like a RC-20 or Boomerang for live looping or a nice software looper for complex things. Greetings Jens -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- Von: phaslem@wightman.ca [mailto:phaslem@wightman.ca]=20 Gesendet: Donnerstag, 14. Juni 2007 00:38 An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Betreff: Re: I now "get" the RC-50. I broke down and bought an rc-50 about 4 months ago and am very happy =20 with it. I use it for my "stripped down" gigs where I have a small amp =20 (a schertler David) my guitar and the hammered dulcimer. I run the =20 insert from the amp to the rc-50 and it's a very acceptable setup. =20 When I need a more complex setup I haul out the rackmount computer and =20 run Mobius through Bidule so that I can capture some of those more =20 ambient vst effects. Of course I'm not using the built in drum =20 machine, not trying to sync with anything else. Once I discovered how =20 simulate some feedback control for the overdubbing, it was brilliant!! =20 It does everything I need it to and some more. Personally I would and =20 do recomend it to someone looking to get into looping, it just =20 requires some analysis as to what your needs are. 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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 14 08:19:52 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3FC6B3BF00; Thu, 14 Jun 2007 08:19:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=ul3FTRb4rh9+4i9qiJ4Qki2AKMf3h0D7uvwRB543PY8ejLcdlfQmh8KjIOrktBI5WO9oaKgmk0Fgu5duQBSiKLS7lKkOqLKw4mdGkIPGyt1yaCMlBtYnK//yqhmb4rKqAE/Y54UxM/5pSh3IwMKtPpoI/rHUYTnkAkLClaeCGM0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=dfM0c0R2ouBAtBYxBBaD5If9Isp7Ueln4q2SH3sUgXdN7xCYEQVdTAPQPAw4f3OMRpe8wmELxv6A3Kvzsot91ji2EZ59BtIeb+cqlA0h4hyT2nTlIz58XiFsIneUU4n1tgBgzPcfjZyuoPU92FzL0q2OvxTjpUHky/3mq3lhCHI= Message-ID: Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 09:19:50 +0100 From: Os Sender: expertsleepers@googlemail.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT $1.95 synth! In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: X-Google-Sender-Auth: 041864f6ca7c3a4a Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71119 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 08:19:51 +0000 (UTC) > Is there any free/cheap VSTs yet that sound like a reasonable piano or EP or > organ ... (please dont tell me crystal .. it sounds like crap .... as do the > few other free one's I've tried). mda piano mda epiano rumpelrausch taips vsamp (sampler but comes with nice rhodes multisample) os. -- os@collective.co.uk http://www.collective.co.uk/ http://www.myspace.com/darkroomtheband From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 14 08:33:09 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 051033BF0C; Thu, 14 Jun 2007 08:33:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <018101c7ae5e$a3891f60$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "RICK WALKER" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: MORE LOOPS Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 01:33:09 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.5 required=1.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,AWL, STOX_REPLY_TYPE,SUBJ_ALL_CAPS,TVD_RCVD_SINGLE autolearn=disabled version=3.2.0 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.0 (2007-05-01) on mail.cruzio.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71120 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 08:33:09 +0000 (UTC) Richard Sales said: "I like the idea of hardware loopers because I just don't wanna look at computer screens any more than absolutely I have to. Someday I'd like to have a Kid Beyond kind of setup (is that his name?) where Ableton is controlled by a foot controller." Oddly enough, I just like the 'look' of hardware more than someone hunched over a laptop. It's maybe a little fetishistic, but I just love looking at a bunch of multi-colored blinking lights in a hardware rig. Also, I agree with you about the seemlessness of Kid Beyond's rig which is really great (and frees him to be a fanastically effective performer). That being said and done, his set up took a tremendous amount of time to set up and reflects a show that though it has improvisation built into it, is a set of performances (like Amy X's wonderful non-improvised material) that have been carefully constructed and must be adhered to. I just love free improvisation too much and want to be able to improvise on the fly. This frequently either precludes the kind of complexity and pre arranged signal processing that Andre (Kid Beyond) has programmed into his set or it requires using several different styles of looping gear. I have a ton of options with a line 6, a repeater, a looperlative and an edp (soon to have a Kaoss 3 pad as soon as I can reasonably afford one) so I have great flexibility in turning corners on a dime. I also love to resample loops to manipulate them in the different ways that the looperlative, repeater, edp and line 6 do. I am, however, ambivalent about this approach too sometimes, and have been contemplating starting to add some arranged material into my live shows..............we'll see how far I get this summer before Y2K7 Rick Walker From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 14 08:53:49 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0D7083BF08; Thu, 14 Jun 2007 08:53:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <01b401c7ae61$851d7730$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "RICK WALKER" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: MORE LOOPS? Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 01:53:46 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.5 required=1.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,AWL, STOX_REPLY_TYPE,SUBJ_ALL_CAPS,TVD_RCVD_SINGLE autolearn=disabled version=3.2.0 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.0 (2007-05-01) on mail.cruzio.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71121 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 08:53:48 +0000 (UTC) Rainer Straschill wrote: "Now think about the possibility to do some multi-track work here - have the bass drum in one loop, the snare drum in another one and so one. With that, you can now add some crazy ringmod to just the snare drum loop, or send the bass drum through a reverb delay, or replace the cymbal part without touching any of the other parts...you get the idea." Of course, Rainer, I am hip to this approach to using multiple tracks and have done it a lot even back in the days when I had three synced Lexicon Jammans (circa 1996). I'm even about to add a second 6 space rack of Electrix tempo based gear (MoFX, Filter Factory) with a patchbay to my local-more-produced-live-looping shows just to increase my precision control utilizing this strategy.........unfortunately I'll be unable to tour with this much gear (not that it ever has stopped Ted Killian.........lol) I think, however, from your response to me, that you may have missed the point of what I'm saying. I'm not trying to say that one shouldn't use multiple loops or that there aren't times when it is very appropriate to use a very muli-layered approach, but more that live loopers can afford to question there constant desire to fill up arrangements with many different loops. Max Valentino really hit the nail on the head of what I'm talking about by saying "And even with many of the advanced processing powers of this current generation of both soft and hardware loopers, it still pretty much becomes the concept of filling a box until it overflows" As with all things, none of this critique is purely black and white. I love some maximal musicians and I love some minimal musicians. I think we all, with this in mind, have noticed that inexperienced loopers fall into a tendency to fill the box until it overflows. Our culture tends to be stronger on the teaching of Harmonic density and how to eschew it. Consequently, it is easier for a guitarist, as an example of avoiding stack their chords too densely for fear of having no room in their soloing. Unfortunately, our culture's educational environements tend to be very light on imparting the sister concepts of Timbral Masking and Rhythmic Masking and how understanding these concepts can lead us to the avoidance of dense, mushy,ineffective and 'overflowing' arrangements. 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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 14 10:34:20 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E23DD3BF0E; Thu, 14 Jun 2007 10:34:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-SBRS: None X-SenderGroup: RELAYLIST X-MailFlowPolicy: $RELAYED X-MID: 728178284 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: Case against laptops Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 11:34:07 +0100 Message-ID: <1BB076E4C332F9469148F41725F17A7203BE4152@MTVNE-EXCLUST02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Case against laptops Thread-Index: Aceub4m2OmH6V4/5Rq2uxOS0H1Cvpw== References: <4cf76a0b0706132225n7ef67bc2t493e320e91e26b58@mail.gmail.com> From: "Goddard, Duncan" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Jun 2007 10:34:18.0466 (UTC) FILETIME=[900C0C20:01C7AE6F] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71122 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 10:34:20 +0000 (UTC) can you imagine hendrix ever having become immortal from behind a laptop? case closed. mind you, I'd pay good money to see pretty much anyone on stage setting a windows box on fire & smashing it to bits. (like gang of four do with their microwave oven) normal black & white keyboards on stage are bad enough (from a rock'n'roll stageshow point of view), but qwerty keyboards? I think if you need a computer on stage to do your thing, then it ain't proper music. [ducks] d.=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 14 10:40:01 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5D4623BF0F; Thu, 14 Jun 2007 10:40:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 06:41:14 -0400 From: Bill Fox Subject: Listen to Afterglow, Galactic Travels, and the AM/FM Show To: undisclosed-recipients: ; Message-id: <46711B4A.8030006@soundscapes.us> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.12 (Windows/20070509) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71123 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 10:40:01 +0000 (UTC) AFTERGLOW ON WMUH: http://soundscapes.us/afterglow ======================================================================= Afterglow airs from 8:00 am to 9:30 am every Thursday morning. Tune in for a delightful mix of eclectic musical genres including a healthy dose of Progressive Rock. Tune in at 91.7 FM or on the internet at: http://muhlenberg.edu/wmuh GALACTIC TRAVELS ON WDIY: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt ======================================================================= Tonight at 11 pm on Galactic Travels, I'll continue the month-long Special Focus on Robert Rich who will play at NEARfest at the end of the month and with Ian Boddy this Saturday in Philadelphia. The Featured CD at Midnight will be "Echo of Small Things" by Robert Rich on Soundscape Records. I will also play music by artists who will be playing at the Star's End 30th Anniversary Spacemusic Festival this Saturday. Galactic Travels is an electronic, ambient, and space music show that airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg, 93.7 FM in Fogelsville and Trexlertown, on the internet, and in High Definition Radio at 88.1 FM. THE AM/FM SHOW ON WMUH: http://soundscapes.us/amfm ======================================================================= My next stint on the AM/FM Show will be Saturday, June 16 at 6:00 am. I will continue the special on E-dition Electronic Music Magazine's sampler CDs. I will also play music by artists who will be playing at the Star's End 30th Anniversary Spacemusic Festival later in the day. Tune in to WMUH Allentown at 91.7 FM, broadcasting from the campus of Muhlenberg College. I alternate hosting the show with Bruce. When I am at the helm, the show features electronic, ambient, and spacemusic at the beginning, an eclectic mix of genres in the middle, and winds up with Progressive Rock. WMUH's web site is http://muhlenberg.edu/wmuh ====================================================================== All times are EDT / GMT-4. Listen on-line to WDIY at http://wdiy.org and click LISTEN or go directly to: http://rm1.refugemedia.com/ramgen/encoder/wdiy.rm Listen on-line to WMUH at http://www.muhlenberg.edu/wmuh and click the REAL AUDIO link or go directly to: rtsp://helix.muhlenberg.edu:554/broadcast/live.rm From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 14 11:16:43 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 686403BF29; Thu, 14 Jun 2007 11:16:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <001c01c7ae75$4c7bb1d0$0207a8c0@eluk1> From: "Stephen Goodman" To: References: <00b901c7ad6c$d9067220$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> <645338.49276.qm@web35110.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Xbox Soundtracks Contest Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 12:15:19 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71124 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 11:16:43 +0000 (UTC) Hi Folks, Did anyone else enter the Xbox Soundtracks competition? "Voting" begins today of course, and the deadline slipped for submission four times before the contest closed (everyone wanted to work on the pieces over Memorial Day/Bank Holiday weekend of course, so slipped to 30 May, then the server went down from all the folks in the UK submitting entries - or trying to; then finally 4 June.). The guitar finger's working much better now - and I used FL Studio to do the sequencing work and percussion. I have put three entries up - damned house renovation got in the way else I'd have done a piece for all twelve trailers...! See them on YouTube if you like. http://www.youtube.com/user/SPGoodman Thanks folks! Stephen Goodman * * Cartoons about DVDs and Stuff * http://www.earthlight.net/HiddenTrack * The Loop Of The Week since 1996! * http://www.earthlight.net/Studios From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 14 12:27:38 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C41623BF1E; Thu, 14 Jun 2007 12:27:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Originating-IP: [216.113.128.239] X-Identified-User: {864:box76.bluehost.com:kevinkis:kevinkissinger.com} {sentby:webmail from 216.113.128.239} Message-ID: <20070614072735.4owyok3pnos4kwog@69.89.21.76> Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 07:27:35 -0500 From: kkissinger@kevinkissinger.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Case against laptops References: <4cf76a0b0706132225n7ef67bc2t493e320e91e26b58@mail.gmail.com> <1BB076E4C332F9469148F41725F17A7203BE4152@MTVNE-EXCLUST02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> In-Reply-To: <1BB076E4C332F9469148F41725F17A7203BE4152@MTVNE-EXCLUST02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.3) Resent-Message-ID: <0uB3sC.A.03D.6QTcGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71125 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 12:27:38 +0000 (UTC) Quoting "Goddard, Duncan" : > I think if you need a computer on stage to do your thing, then it ain't > proper music. [ducks] Unless one is using a vintage tape loop device, one is utilizing a computer for looping. The difference is whether one employs an embedded system or a generalized system. I don't worry about what is "proper" music. I just do my thing and utilize the equipment at my disposal to the best of my ability. -- Kevin throwing a water balloon at Duncan :) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 14 12:38:52 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4D6A73BF2A; Thu, 14 Jun 2007 12:38:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C7AE80.F78CB981" Subject: RE: I now "get" the RC-50. Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 08:38:53 -0400 Message-ID: <641CEFFC7E5B6C42AB59539653FD08238E2950@wcu-ex-emp2.PASSHE.LCL> In-Reply-To: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: I now "get" the RC-50. Thread-Index: AceugPevvi+D5IF6TQm0W/BktJcfUg== From: "Dean, Hal " To: Cc: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Jun 2007 12:38:54.0180 (UTC) FILETIME=[F7EB7A40:01C7AE80] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71126 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 12:38:52 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C7AE80.F78CB981 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear Jeff- =20 I don't believe Mr. Killian was attempting to tell you what to say, only offering a different opinion. It appears reasonable people can disagree on the RC-50. My opinion, based on the quality of his music and the thoughtfulness of his posts, is that Ted Killian is one of those reasonable people, and that far from hurting anyone he is enriching the looping community.=20 =20 I am a dedicated Mobius user at this point, but there are a lot of folks on LD using the Looperlative, Repeater and the venerable EDP (I still use mine) to make great music. I mention this only as a comment on the "BEST...PERIOD" statement. I think the world is big enough for a wide range of approaches to looping. =20 Hal Dean -----Original Message----- From: BreachinThePeace@aol.com [mailto:BreachinThePeace@aol.com]=20 Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2007 4:48 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: I now "get" the RC-50. =09 Listen. I have been using looping devices most likely prior to you being born. Hot Headed? Screw you and your cat pal. Don't EVER tell me what and what not to say. That is precisely what a forum is all about. Who died and made you king looper to begin with? The BEST loopers on the planet bar none are software, midi controlled. PERIOD. My point was this. You want a new wheel, fine. Just don't make one and put it on the market 2 years prior to being so lame that it receives a thumbs down from 8 out of 10 reviewers. Please don't suggest that the RC-50 is a valid & effecient floor controlled looping device. IT'S NOT. By doing this Teddy, you hurt everyone into looping. Get real. =20 =20 Jeff =20 =09 ________________________________ See what's free at AOL.com .=20 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C7AE80.F78CB981 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message
Dear Jeff-

I don't believe Mr. Killian was attempting to = tell you=20 what to say, only offering a different opinion. It appears reasonable = people can=20 disagree on the RC-50. My opinion, based on the quality of his music and = the=20 thoughtfulness of his posts, is that Ted Killian is one of those = reasonable=20 people, and that far from hurting anyone he is enriching the looping=20 community.

I am a dedicated Mobius user at this point, but there are a lot = of folks=20 on LD using the Looperlative, Repeater and the venerable EDP (I still = use mine)=20 to make great music. I mention this only as a comment on the=20 "BEST...PERIOD" statement. I think the world is big enough for a wide = range of=20 approaches to looping.

Hal Dean

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From:=20 BreachinThePeace@aol.com [mailto:BreachinThePeace@aol.com] =
Sent:=20 Wednesday, June 13, 2007 4:48 PM
To:=20 Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Re: I now "get" = the=20 RC-50.

Listen. I have been using looping devices most likely prior to = you being=20 born. Hot Headed? Screw you and your cat pal. Don't EVER tell me what = and what=20 not to say. That is precisely what a forum is all about. Who died and = made you=20 king looper to begin with? The BEST loopers on the planet bar = none are=20 software, midi controlled. PERIOD. My point was this. You want a new = wheel,=20 fine. Just don't make one and put it on the market 2 years prior to = being so=20 lame that it receives a thumbs down from 8 out of 10 reviewers. Please = don't=20 suggest that the RC-50 is a valid & effecient floor = controlled=20 looping device. IT'S NOT. By doing this Teddy, you hurt everyone into = looping.=20 Get real.

Jeff

See what's free at AOL.com.=20
------_=_NextPart_001_01C7AE80.F78CB981-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 14 12:54:09 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 582E03BF17; Thu, 14 Jun 2007 12:54:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 13:53:40 +0100 From: Bart Lyons Subject: RE: I now "get" the RC-50. In-reply-to: <641CEFFC7E5B6C42AB59539653FD08238E2950@wcu-ex-emp2.PASSHE.LCL> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <7.0.1.0.2.20070614134046.03e8bd10@belfast.oilfield.slb.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_cTM/NQa8Gwx8975vZDUHgA)" References: <641CEFFC7E5B6C42AB59539653FD08238E2950@wcu-ex-emp2.PASSHE.LCL> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71127 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 12:54:09 +0000 (UTC) --Boundary_(ID_cTM/NQa8Gwx8975vZDUHgA) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Guys, reading all these postings about the RC-50 I'm glad I finally ended up the Gibson Echoplex. First choice would have been the Looperlative but didn't fit my budget. However, at the end of the day it's a personal choice. Mobius in a live situation I'm not sure. Computers tend to do there own thing and I would be worried that the whole programme would crash in the middle of a performance. BART At 13:38 14/06/2007, Dean, Hal wrote: >Dear Jeff- > >I don't believe Mr. Killian was attempting to tell you what to say, >only offering a different opinion. It appears reasonable people can >disagree on the RC-50. My opinion, based on the quality of his music >and the thoughtfulness of his posts, is that Ted Killian is one of >those reasonable people, and that far from hurting anyone he is >enriching the looping community. > >I am a dedicated Mobius user at this point, but there are a lot of >folks on LD using the Looperlative, Repeater and the venerable EDP >(I still use mine) to make great music. I mention this only as a >comment on the "BEST...PERIOD" statement. I think the world is big >enough for a wide range of approaches to looping. > >Hal Dean >-----Original Message----- >From: BreachinThePeace@aol.com [mailto:BreachinThePeace@aol.com] >Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2007 4:48 PM >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Re: I now "get" the RC-50. > >Listen. I have been using looping devices most likely prior to you >being born. Hot Headed? Screw you and your cat pal. Don't EVER tell >me what and what not to say. That is precisely what a forum is all >about. Who died and made you king looper to begin with? The BEST >loopers on the planet bar none are software, midi controlled. >PERIOD. My point was this. You want a new wheel, fine. Just don't >make one and put it on the market 2 years prior to being so lame >that it receives a thumbs down from 8 out of 10 reviewers. Please >don't suggest that the RC-50 is a valid & effecient floor controlled >looping device. IT'S NOT. By doing this Teddy, you hurt everyone >into looping. Get real. > >Jeff > > > > >---------- >See what's free at AOL.com. --Boundary_(ID_cTM/NQa8Gwx8975vZDUHgA) Content-type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Guys, reading all these postings about the RC-50 I'm glad I finally ended up the Gibson Echoplex. First choice would have been the Looperlative but didn't fit my budget. However, at the end of the day it's a personal choice. Mobius in a live situation I'm not sure. Computers tend to do there own thing and I would be worried that the whole programme would crash in the middle of a performance.

BART

At 13:38 14/06/2007, Dean, Hal wrote:

Dear Jeff-

I don't believe Mr. Killian was attempting to tell you what to say, only offering a different opinion. It appears reasonable people can disagree on the RC-50. My opinion, based on the quality of his music and the thoughtfulness of his posts, is that Ted Killian is one of those reasonable people, and that far from hurting anyone he is enriching the looping community.

I am a dedicated Mobius user at this point, but there are a lot of folks on LD using the Looperlative, Repeater and the venerable EDP (I still use mine) to make great music. I mention this only as a comment on the "BEST...PERIOD" statement. I think the world is big enough for a wide range of approaches to looping.

Hal Dean
-----Original Message-----
From: BreachinThePeace@aol.com [ mailto:BreachinThePeace@aol.com]
Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2007 4:48 PM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Re: I now "get" the RC-50.

Listen. I have been using looping devices most likely prior to you being born. Hot Headed? Screw you and your cat pal. Don't EVER tell me what and what not to say. That is precisely what a forum is all about. Who died and made you king looper to begin with? The BEST loopers on the planet bar none are software, midi controlled. PERIOD. My point was this. You want a new wheel, fine. Just don't make one and put it on the market 2 years prior to being so lame that it receives a thumbs down from 8 out of 10 reviewers. Please don't suggest that the RC-50 is a valid & effecient floor controlled looping device. IT'S NOT. By doing this Teddy, you hurt everyone into looping. Get real.

Jeff

See what's free at AOL.com.

--Boundary_(ID_cTM/NQa8Gwx8975vZDUHgA)-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 14 12:59:57 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BBD1D3BF32; Thu, 14 Jun 2007 12:59:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <008e01c7ae83$e9ddbb40$4101a8c0@mini> From: "Claude Voit" To: References: <4cf76a0b0706132225n7ef67bc2t493e320e91e26b58@mail.gmail.com> <1BB076E4C332F9469148F41725F17A7203BE4152@MTVNE-EXCLUST02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> Subject: Re: Case against laptops Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 14:59:58 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71128 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 12:59:57 +0000 (UTC) When an interesting thread about creative matters (Trouble Thinking of Loops Beyond the Initial Loop) (7 on topic posts) switches into what salary you can earn in california (12 off topic posts) we can easyly understant why laptop is _the_ sexy subject. !!!! where is the music gone ? hey plugin junkies learn a new song, a new rythm, a new scale, learn a new instrument instead a new tool do something real with your fingers Claude From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 14 13:05:36 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 958EA3BF3A; Thu, 14 Jun 2007 13:05:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=qYYf1TNJJfHdOs99iaRvnDEdIs9WTrk4DtEU5hR/96SLLkW07HptnABKD/NzH4AaDjJXellO4/S342UfGpVMOiksNvHCmrYvRl5Hvq6gpMAKiIc8F798oa7g8AGu2EtVTntPNNxvxbAtHN0rQFUsYaK0c0tyl0tPxzhdf8/chx0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=pJXis5do4/4JAo2/cbo/1I7nzUerdB0kH+idhYmvganokzHyAV5jMsMiQsxYicr0M7NgE6Fp6G5O6Ckb8UeiH56nZ92hSynn+rHmavLD/fK0hUAo+pEjvVCtjUkvNVd43GOG1LHagjYuQune2RR3PBiAAzP1GVOl3GcECzcaYeY= Message-ID: Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 08:05:32 -0500 From: "Doug Cox" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: I now "get" the RC-50. In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20070614134046.03e8bd10@belfast.oilfield.slb.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_34433_6454677.1181826332241" References: <641CEFFC7E5B6C42AB59539653FD08238E2950@wcu-ex-emp2.PASSHE.LCL> <7.0.1.0.2.20070614134046.03e8bd10@belfast.oilfield.slb.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71129 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 13:05:36 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_34433_6454677.1181826332241 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline there's a computer in your EDP. :) On 6/14/07, Bart Lyons wrote: > > Guys, reading all these postings about the RC-50 I'm glad I finally ended > up the Gibson Echoplex. First choice would have been the Looperlative but > didn't fit my budget. However, at the end of the day it's a personal choice. > Mobius in a live situation I'm not sure. Computers tend to do there own > thing and I would be worried that the whole programme would crash in the > middle of a performance. > > BART > > > At 13:38 14/06/2007, Dean, Hal wrote: > > Dear Jeff- > > I don't believe Mr. Killian was attempting to tell you what to say, only > offering a different opinion. It appears reasonable people can disagree on > the RC-50. My opinion, based on the quality of his music and the > thoughtfulness of his posts, is that Ted Killian is one of those reasonable > people, and that far from hurting anyone he is enriching the looping > community. > > I am a dedicated Mobius user at this point, but there are a lot of folks > on LD using the Looperlative, Repeater and the venerable EDP (I still use > mine) to make great music. I mention this only as a comment on the > "BEST...PERIOD" statement. I think the world is big enough for a wide range > of approaches to looping. > > *Hal Dean > *-----Original Message----- > *From:* BreachinThePeace@aol.com [ mailto:BreachinThePeace@aol.com] > > *Sent:* Wednesday, June 13, 2007 4:48 PM > *To:* Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > *Subject:* Re: I now "get" the RC-50. > > Listen. I have been using looping devices most likely prior to you being > born. Hot Headed? Screw you and your cat pal. Don't EVER tell me what and > what not to say. That is precisely what a forum is all about. Who died and > made you king looper to begin with? The BEST loopers on the planet bar none > are software, midi controlled. PERIOD. My point was this. You want a new > wheel, fine. Just don't make one and put it on the market 2 years prior to > being so lame that it receives a thumbs down from 8 out of 10 reviewers. > Please don't suggest that the RC-50 is a valid & effecient floor controlled > looping device. IT'S NOT. By doing this Teddy, you hurt everyone into > looping. Get real. > > Jeff > > > > ------------------------------ > See what's free at AOL.com . > > > ------=_Part_34433_6454677.1181826332241 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline there's a computer in your EDP. :)

On 6/14/07, Bart Lyons <blyons@belfast.oilfield.slb.com> wrote:

Guys, reading all these postings about the RC-50 I'm glad I finally ended up the Gibson Echoplex. First choice would have been the Looperlative but didn't fit my budget. However, at the end of the day it's a personal choice. Mobius in a live situation I'm not sure. Computers tend to do there own thing and I would be worried that the whole programme would crash in the middle of a performance.

BART

At 13:38 14/06/2007, Dean, Hal wrote:

Dear Jeff-

I don't believe Mr. Killian was attempting to tell you what to say, only offering a different opinion. It appears reasonable people can disagree on the RC-50. My opinion, based on the quality of his music and the thoughtfulness of his posts, is that Ted Killian is one of those reasonable people, and that far from hurting anyone he is enriching the looping community.

I am a dedicated Mobius user at this point, but there are a lot of folks on LD using the Looperlative, Repeater and the venerable EDP (I still use mine) to make great music. I mention this only as a comment on the "BEST...PERIOD" statement. I think the world is big enough for a wide range of approaches to looping.

Hal Dean
-----Original Message-----
From: BreachinThePeace@aol.com [ mailto:BreachinThePeace@aol.com]
Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2007 4:48 PM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Re: I now "get" the RC-50.

Listen. I have been using looping devices most likely prior to you being born. Hot Headed? Screw you and your cat pal. Don't EVER tell me what and what not to say. That is precisely what a forum is all about. Who died and made you king looper to begin with? The BEST loopers on the planet bar none are software, midi controlled. PERIOD. My point was this. You want a new wheel, fine. Just don't make one and put it on the market 2 years prior to being so lame that it receives a thumbs down from 8 out of 10 reviewers. Please don't suggest that the RC-50 is a valid & effecient floor controlled looping device. IT'S NOT. By doing this Teddy, you hurt everyone into looping. Get real.

Jeff

See what's free at AOL.com.

------=_Part_34433_6454677.1181826332241-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 14 13:08:26 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5CE023BF40; Thu, 14 Jun 2007 13:08:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com In-Reply-To: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: I now "get" the RC-50. MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 6.5.3 September 14, 2004 Message-ID: From: Matthew_Quinn@vrtx.com Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 09:08:13 -0400 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on BOS01MAIL01/M/BOS1/VRTX(Release 7.0.2FP1|January 10, 2007) at 06/14/2007 09:08:14 AM, Serialize complete at 06/14/2007 09:08:14 AM, Itemize by SMTP Server on BOS01HUB/H/BOS1/VRTX(Release 7.0.2|September 26, 2006) at 06/14/2007 09:08:14 AM, Serialize by Router on BOS01HUB/H/BOS1/VRTX(Release 7.0.2|September 26, 2006) at 06/14/2007 09:08:19 AM, Serialize complete at 06/14/2007 09:08:19 AM, Itemize by SMTP Server on BOS1MX/VRTXSMTP(Release 7.0.2|September 26, 2006) at 06/14/2007 09:11:51 AM, Serialize by Router on BOS1MX/VRTXSMTP(Release 7.0.2|September 26, 2006) at 06/14/2007 09:11:57 AM, Serialize complete at 06/14/2007 09:11:57 AM Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=_alternative 004829C0852572FA_=" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71130 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 13:08:26 +0000 (UTC) This is a multipart message in MIME format. --=_alternative 004829C0852572FA_= Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >there's a computer in your EDP. :) lmao beat me to it I like hardware, but I'll never understand the bashing of either format, especially from what I'd expect to be a pretty open minded group of musicians! Reminds me of vinyl DJ's who bag on the guys now using CD turntables & laptops. The instrument doesn't matter, only the result. --=_alternative 004829C0852572FA_= Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII"
>there's a computer in your EDP. :)

lmao

beat me to it

I like hardware, but I'll never understand the bashing of either format, especially from what I'd expect to be a pretty open minded group of musicians! Reminds me of vinyl DJ's who bag on the guys now using CD turntables & laptops.

The instrument doesn't matter, only the result.

--=_alternative 004829C0852572FA_=-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 14 13:41:42 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5C3F93BF37; Thu, 14 Jun 2007 13:41:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: BreachinThePeace@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 09:41:35 EDT Subject: Re: I now "get" the RC-50. To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-----------------------------1181828495" X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5366 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71131 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 13:41:42 +0000 (UTC) -------------------------------1181828495 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dear Jeff- I don't believe Mr. Killian was attempting to tell you what to say, only offering a different opinion. Just so people searching the web for looping tool ideas don't get the wrong idea about the RC-50 from an obviously hot headed and out of control person... The RC-50 is a totally different animal from the Boomerang,(<---BS Alert) which is a great looper for sure.<----(opinion alert, but don't dare speak your convictions or you too could be the next "hot headed and out of control person termed a "dick") I don't know if you actually tried one in real life but... (yep, I own one, a repeater, a boomerang, etc) for me... it's a pretty good solution to how I want to loop funky bits and have a drummer play along with me. I use the guide extensively as a way for my drummer to have a click track so my loops don't have to act as one. there's nothing less funky than having one of your loops be stiff so the drummer can follow it. with the guide I can play as swampy and slinky as I want to and the drummer still has something stiff to follow so the whole band sounds right. I use other loopers for pitch/reverse/ambient stuff. the RC-50 is just a great collector of things to loop and turn on and off. If you don't like it, don't buy it. too late. I simply could not believe the ineptitude of the device's obvious premature release. In short, it sucks when it comes to a FLOOR CONTROLLED LOOPER which it and the Boomerang both most certainly are. but don't come on here and spout hateful propoganda like this.<---someone needs to learn what PROPAGANDA means, me thinks. Sure sounds like a pompous "tell me what to say" statement to me. different loopers work in different situations. period.<--obviously you have a PHD in looping. I am in way over my head here.lol! get used to it. <----I think you just need to get used to the fact that your's is NOT the only opinion that matters pal. the RC-50 is a great looper for a certain way of looping. Teddy ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. -------------------------------1181828495 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Dear Jeff-

I don't believe Mr. Killian was attempting to tel= l you=20 what to say, only offering a different opinion.

Just so people searching the web for looping tool ideas don't get the=20 wrong idea about the RC-50 from an obviously hot headed and out of=20 control person...=20

The RC-50 is a totally different animal from the=20 Boomerang,(<---BS Alert) which is a great=20 looper for sure.<----(opinion alert, but don't dare speak you= r=20 convictions or you too could be the next "hot headed and out of control pers= on=20 termed a "dick")

I don't know if you actually tried one in real life but...=20 (yep, I own one, a repeater, a boomerang, etc)

for me... it's a pretty good solution to how I want to loop funky bits=20= and=20 have a drummer play along with me.

I use the guide extensively as a way for my drummer to have a click tra= ck=20 so my loops don't have to act as one.

there's nothing less funky than having one of your loops be stiff so th= e=20 drummer can follow it.

with the guide I can play as swampy and slinky as I want to and the dru= mmer=20 still has something stiff to follow so the whole band sounds right.

I use other loopers for pitch/reverse/ambient stuff.

the RC-50 is just a great collector of things to loop and turn on and=20 off.

If you don't like it, don't buy it.

too late. I simply could not believe the ineptitude of the=20 device's obvious premature release. In short, it sucks when it comes to a FL= OOR=20 CONTROLLED LOOPER which it and the Boomerang both most certainly=20 are.

but don't come on here and spout hateful propoganda like=20 this.<---someone needs to learn what PROPAGANDA means, me=20 thinks.

Sure sounds like a pompous "tell me what to say" statement=20= to=20 me.

different loopers work in different situations.=20 period.<--obviously you have a PHD in looping. I am in way ov= er=20 my head here.lol!

get used to it. <----I think you just need to get=20= used=20 to the fact that your's is NOT the only opinion that matters=20 pal.

the RC-50 is a great looper for a certain way of looping.

Teddy

See what'= s free at AOL.co= m.
-------------------------------1181828495-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 14 13:46:51 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2CF653BF3E; Thu, 14 Jun 2007 13:46:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Originating-IP: [216.113.128.239] X-Identified-User: {864:box76.bluehost.com:kevinkis:kevinkissinger.com} {sentby:webmail from 216.113.128.239} Message-ID: <20070614084645.x52acro6g4coc4wk@69.89.21.76> Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 08:46:45 -0500 From: kkissinger@kevinkissinger.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Case against laptops References: <4cf76a0b0706132225n7ef67bc2t493e320e91e26b58@mail.gmail.com> <1BB076E4C332F9469148F41725F17A7203BE4152@MTVNE-EXCLUST02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> <008e01c7ae83$e9ddbb40$4101a8c0@mini> In-Reply-To: <008e01c7ae83$e9ddbb40$4101a8c0@mini> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.3) Resent-Message-ID: <1DPHaB.A.zEB.KbUcGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71132 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 13:46:51 +0000 (UTC) Quoting Claude Voit : > hey plugin junkies... Not sure to whom you are referring here. I switched to a laptop =20 because I am presenting my sets in surround sound. Other solutions =20 may have been possible however the laptop proved an efficient =20 solution. The laptop emerged as the easiest solution to play my =20 synthesizer tracks along with synchronized loops. > where is the music gone ? Of course, it is all about making music. However, to deliver a =20 performance under the constraints of limited set-up / take-down time, =20 and to travel great distances a dedicated laptop emerges as a solution. For me personally, since I play the theremin, foot switches are =20 cumbersome because the movement, or even the motion to look at a =20 footswitch effects the intonation. Not that I can't use my feet (I am =20 a classically-trained organist) however I am compelled to do whatever =20 it takes to perform the music. > do something real with your fingers I think you are suggesting that playing a keyboard, guitar, or a =20 traditional instrument is "real" whereas turning a knob or typing a =20 command into a computer is not. I understand these feelings. At the electro-music 2007 festival (held =20 two weeks ago) I heard amazing and expressive music that people =20 created by turning knobs and keying commands in real time. I walked =20 away with a different and more positive impression of the "knob =20 twirlers". One of the high points for me was to participate in an =20 improvised set that was organized by "Velva" ... http://velva9000.com/electromusic2007.htm Four of us played pitched instruments (Flute, Violin, Cosmotron, =20 Theremin), one of the members of Plork (Princeton Laptop Orchestra) =20 processed sound via the "Chuck" program ("Chuck" is a running server =20 that responds to real-time commands), another laptop utilized Ableton =20 Live, and I think Tim did some processing when he wasn't playing the =20 Cosmotron. Far from "noize music", this impromtu ensemble jelled almost instantly =20 and we were all watching and playing off of each other. The set =20 brought the listeners to their feet. I agree that when a musician is seated at a laptop, then some other =20 visual is a good idea -- either lights, video, etc. On my solo set, I didn't use video -- the set went fine however the =20 pictures look a bit bland. I may use some lights or still projections =20 behind me in the future. People tend to want to watch a theremin =20 performance so wild videos are probably not needed most of the time. -- Kevin From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 14 13:52:55 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5FD223BF48; Thu, 14 Jun 2007 13:52:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:content-transfer-encoding:message-id:content-type:to:from:subject:date:x-mailer; b=c20qubCZiHeUlbhFTpS+tjsII9BHDCOrR1jWu6J1OEmn6J0SuMIULY6cvzRjCVQ+GnGspizj8PJipNskhX9JD5eZo8Hmtf3IA6VByLc5myJNIpR2b4Swz9OwKGKmEohZ2FWmYIhPpHp3GZ/0BURMjWtZBsF5ICIOuZQ4E3qNRJQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:mime-version:content-transfer-encoding:message-id:content-type:to:from:subject:date:x-mailer; b=dOxS7uXg26vpqWIM35nLGUqXyXPBoYxE75jZR5KLMWRNWpewo68D1+AJgtbzBjQ7cUOHMMtFmrCLrLzvnB2w30CHGvCXShui1w8eidms44HaD3DzcfNjPFYjJgJVXpDaLUKQluECR6Pbg2+STsqnZPKLc6KS9FojDBvZRjFjtHI= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <46D921B5-53F6-449F-995F-AE866D24C6A5@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: RP Collier Subject: ot: ambient thumb piano video Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 06:52:49 -0700 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71133 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 13:52:55 +0000 (UTC) A new ambient minimalist thumb piano video of a spider web in sunset light: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rVO-ZSWFa7E The soundtrack is 3 passes of a loop through Ableton Live using Pluggo Harmonic Filter and Ring Modulator AU's. The AU's are being rapidly toggled on and off with mouse clicks. The signal is sent to 2 different guitar amps for stereo and then recorded onto a Zoom H4 rather than rendered to disk in Live. This is a photo of the newly built instrument: http://tinyurl.com/29kkwv regards BobC http://tinyurl.com/yt8f8j From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 14 13:53:07 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 579B13BF4C; Thu, 14 Jun 2007 13:53:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "Woz Mail" To: Subject: RE: Case against laptops Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 23:52:36 +1000 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <1BB076E4C332F9469148F41725F17A7203BE4152@MTVNE-EXCLUST02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71134 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 13:53:07 +0000 (UTC) Wasn't there a similar agruement when people went from Acoustic guitars to Electric guitars? The mind boggles at what someone like Hendrix would have done with Max/Mobius setup and as someone who embraced the most hi tech gadgets of his day. I'm sure he would love the possibilities of this day and age. Still, i don't think he would have actually stood behind the laptop! I do agree, it would be great to see someone smash windows on stage. At least ram the headstock of the guitar through the screen! Cheers Woz PS. I don't use a laptop -----Original Message----- From: Goddard, Duncan [mailto:goddard.duncan@mtvne.com] Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2007 8:34 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Case against laptops can you imagine hendrix ever having become immortal from behind a laptop? case closed. mind you, I'd pay good money to see pretty much anyone on stage setting a windows box on fire & smashing it to bits. (like gang of four do with their microwave oven) normal black & white keyboards on stage are bad enough (from a rock'n'roll stageshow point of view), but qwerty keyboards? I think if you need a computer on stage to do your thing, then it ain't proper music. [ducks] d. -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.15/848 - Release Date: 6/13/2007 12:50 PM From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 14 13:59:57 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6942B3BF3D; Thu, 14 Jun 2007 13:59:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: BreachinThePeace@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 09:59:50 EDT Subject: Re: Case against laptops To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-----------------------------1181829590" X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5366 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71135 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 13:59:57 +0000 (UTC) -------------------------------1181829590 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 6/14/2007 6:34:43 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, goddard.duncan@mtvne.com writes: can you imagine hendrix ever having become immortal from behind a laptop? case closed man if you don't think that Hendrix would have been using computers on stage and in the studio you obviously don't know much about Hendrix. (me thinks the greatest guitarist of all time btw) Hendrix was all about total innovation and the use of every technical capacity at his disposal. I am CERTAIN Hendrix wouldn't have been caught dead (no pun intended) without a laptop wherever. please don't call me a dick just because you don't agree with me. thanks, Jeff ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. -------------------------------1181829590 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

In a message dated 6/14/2007 6:34:43 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,=20 goddard.duncan@mtvne.com writes:
<= FONT=20 style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" face=3DArial color=3D#000000 size= =3D2>can you=20 imagine hendrix ever having become immortal from behind a
laptop? case=20 closed

man if you don't think that Hendrix would have been using computers on=20 stage and in the studio you obviously don't know much about Hendrix. (me thi= nks=20 the greatest guitarist of all time btw) Hendrix was all=20 about total innovation and the use of every technical capacity&nbs= p;at=20 his disposal. I am CERTAIN Hendrix wouldn't have been caught dead (no pun=20 intended) without a laptop wherever.

please don't call me a dick just because you don't agree with me.

thanks,

Jeff

See=20= what's free at AOL= .com.
-------------------------------1181829590-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 14 14:03:35 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5FDAB3BF43; Thu, 14 Jun 2007 14:03:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <177DB0BA-94C9-4ABC-A658-1F230ECCB3CB@mac.com> References: <061320071459.5197.467006440009C0CC0000144D2216554886020A050C07080C0B0A079D00070B0703@comcast.net> <385aa74054b8861e3979c4d65bd21c4a@glasswing.com> <4EA73890-0E89-44E3-B829-F3566AE83D50@mac.com> <177DB0BA-94C9-4ABC-A658-1F230ECCB3CB@mac.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-2--488338086 Message-Id: <82319980ba0022d9f335c3ed914ad084@glasswing.com> From: Richard Sales Subject: Re: I now "get" the RC-50. Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 07:03:28 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71136 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 14:03:35 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-2--488338086 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Well what I want to do is be able to load one patch at a time from the computer TO the RC50. In other words, to have a batch of patches saved to computer, which I've done, and to be able to pick and choose which patches load. Actually I haven't tried it, but when you save files to computer there's no names attached to the sound files or the patches so I don't know how to import individual patches back into the RC50. I guess I can try NAMING files in the computer and loading them into the RC50 and see what happens. The issue is, from what I've tried, it SEEMS you can only load in the whole saved set. Am I making sense? It would be so sweet if you could look on the computer and see the different patches with tagged / attached loops so you could load them in individually. My biggest problem is that I just don't have a lot of time for experimentation. When I do have time, I just wanna improve my guitar chops. That seems to be - at least so far - the most fun and profitable use of my time. And hey Teddy... thanks so much. You're a gem, richard sales glassWing farm and studio vancouver island, b.c. 800.545.6846 250.752.4816 www.glassWing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com On 13-Jun-07, at 9:27 PM, Teddy wrote: > Hey Richard, > > oh ya... if you plug the RC-50 into your computer it just shows up as > a hard drive. > you can drag the loop audio into an audio editor, normalize, eq... > whatever... then just save it back to the RC-50 with the same name and > voila, your perfect take is at max volume now. > That drive functionality is also great for backing up. > Another great thing about the RC-50 > > Teddy > > On Jun 13, 2007, at 2:25 PM, Richard Sales wrote: > --Apple-Mail-2--488338086 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=US-ASCII Well what I want to do is be able to load one patch at a time from the computer TO the RC50. In other words, to have a batch of patches saved to computer, which I've done, and to be able to pick and choose which patches load. Actually I haven't tried it, but when you save files to computer there's no names attached to the sound files or the patches so I don't know how to import individual patches back into the RC50. I guess I can try NAMING files in the computer and loading them into the RC50 and see what happens. The issue is, from what I've tried, it SEEMS you can only load in the whole saved set. Am I making sense? It would be so sweet if you could look on the computer and see the different patches with tagged / attached loops so you could load them in individually. My biggest problem is that I just don't have a lot of time for experimentation. When I do have time, I just wanna improve my guitar chops. That seems to be - at least so far - the most fun and profitable use of my time. And hey Teddy... thanks so much. You're a gem, Gadgetrichard sales 7372,7F7E,C5C4glassWing farm and studio vancouver island, b.c. 800.545.6846 250.752.4816C3C2,9695,1C1B www.glassWing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com On 13-Jun-07, at 9:27 PM, Teddy wrote: Hey Richard, oh ya... if you plug the RC-50 into your computer it just shows up as a hard drive. you can drag the loop audio into an audio editor, normalize, eq... whatever... then just save it back to the RC-50 with the same name and voila, your perfect take is at max volume now. That drive functionality is also great for backing up. Another great thing about the RC-50 Teddy On Jun 13, 2007, at 2:25 PM, Richard Sales wrote: --Apple-Mail-2--488338086-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 14 14:05:53 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CE8643BF55; Thu, 14 Jun 2007 14:05:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=HXgQ1V8Ln008DBBnV8lqVu8Qsw0TAhZ13feVanErXLuXAdbu7uTe3T0Z0DBH1E/jhLW0lRkN91vUEu1UjCngIEtuH7OKkHxUfJyAHlzSK/uNhxihVpnazesaan68ZWEs4rxgotI/i3xTJz+EnD3gBRSfLUJvP+xoThmV2/oDhFo=; X-YMail-OSG: L4lyt3kVM1n2R.g_kkBikEfV0B2Vn4eu9nYDwgTQjSL6izgTJKcK5SaIEigOnq_DxIGMbsw3SUf0EV9LnOIu5OG7OyWd6eLqLN3aG7WLDFOuPN_.VGXeZg8WwrZ.5A-- Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 07:05:52 -0700 (PDT) From: Paul Richards Subject: Re: I now "get" the RC-50. To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-514223900-1181829952=:89397" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <605394.89397.qm@web35113.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: <4ZIfHB.A.DmC.BtUcGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71137 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 14:05:53 +0000 (UTC) --0-514223900-1181829952=:89397 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit No to fan the flames, but IMHO, the Boomerangs sound quality is very poor compared to the RC-50 so, to me, the Boomerang doesn't even get on the short list (and I wanted to like it-believe me I did). BreachinThePeace@aol.com wrote: Dear Jeff- I don't believe Mr. Killian was attempting to tell you what to say, only offering a different opinion. Just so people searching the web for looping tool ideas don't get the wrong idea about the RC-50 from an obviously hot headed and out of control person... The RC-50 is a totally different animal from the Boomerang,(<---BS Alert) which is a great looper for sure.<----(opinion alert, but don't dare speak your convictions or you too could be the next "hot headed and out of control person termed a "dick") I don't know if you actually tried one in real life but... (yep, I own one, a repeater, a boomerang, etc) for me... it's a pretty good solution to how I want to loop funky bits and have a drummer play along with me. I use the guide extensively as a way for my drummer to have a click track so my loops don't have to act as one. there's nothing less funky than having one of your loops be stiff so the drummer can follow it. with the guide I can play as swampy and slinky as I want to and the drummer still has something stiff to follow so the whole band sounds right. I use other loopers for pitch/reverse/ambient stuff. the RC-50 is just a great collector of things to loop and turn on and off. If you don't like it, don't buy it. too late. I simply could not believe the ineptitude of the device's obvious premature release. In short, it sucks when it comes to a FLOOR CONTROLLED LOOPER which it and the Boomerang both most certainly are. but don't come on here and spout hateful propoganda like this.<---someone needs to learn what PROPAGANDA means, me thinks. Sure sounds like a pompous "tell me what to say" statement to me. different loopers work in different situations. period.<--obviously you have a PHD in looping. I am in way over my head here.lol! get used to it. <----I think you just need to get used to the fact that your's is NOT the only opinion that matters pal. the RC-50 is a great looper for a certain way of looping. Teddy --------------------------------- See what's free at AOL.com. --------------------------------- Food fight? Enjoy some healthy debate in the Yahoo! Answers Food & Drink Q&A. --0-514223900-1181829952=:89397 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit No to fan the flames, but IMHO, the Boomerangs sound quality is very poor compared to the RC-50 so, to me, the Boomerang doesn't even get on the short list (and I wanted to like it-believe me I did).

BreachinThePeace@aol.com wrote:

Dear Jeff-

I don't believe Mr. Killian was attempting to tell you what to say, only offering a different opinion.

Just so people searching the web for looping tool ideas don't get the wrong idea about the RC-50 from an obviously hot headed and out of control person...

The RC-50 is a totally different animal from the Boomerang,(<---BS Alert) which is a great looper for sure.<----(opinion alert, but don't dare speak your convictions or you too could be the next "hot headed and out of control person termed a "dick")

I don't know if you actually tried one in real life but... (yep, I own one, a repeater, a boomerang, etc)

for me... it's a pretty good solution to how I want to loop funky bits and have a drummer play along with me.

I use the guide extensively as a way for my drummer to have a click track so my loops don't have to act as one.

there's nothing less funky than having one of your loops be stiff so the drummer can follow it.

with the guide I can play as swampy and slinky as I want to and the drummer still has something stiff to follow so the whole band sounds right.

I use other loopers for pitch/reverse/ambient stuff.

the RC-50 is just a great collector of things to loop and turn on and off.

If you don't like it, don't buy it.

too late. I simply could not believe the ineptitude of the device's obvious premature release. In short, it sucks when it comes to a FLOOR CONTROLLED LOOPER which it and the Boomerang both most certainly are.

but don't come on here and spout hateful propoganda like this.<---someone needs to learn what PROPAGANDA means, me thinks.

Sure sounds like a pompous "tell me what to say" statement to me.

different loopers work in different situations. period.<--obviously you have a PHD in looping. I am in way over my head here.lol!

get used to it. <----I think you just need to get used to the fact that your's is NOT the only opinion that matters pal.

the RC-50 is a great looper for a certain way of looping.

Teddy

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in the Yahoo! Answers Food & Drink Q&A. --0-514223900-1181829952=:89397-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 14 14:10:11 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 150AE3BF04; Thu, 14 Jun 2007 14:10:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=F3rLCZXGH+5uMrf9/uUTzYbB+eci6FqqdTkrWzFOON2d6Qu7P+oSpuID9nNzIUQ1W3eZem6Etk/Kc2G+DBP0JlNIMlIA9YO+JsphvfkC5AJU+0Sg4GFOY/dqcRokmIQ0xGgJlcT3ho1IjAkgXrg5UG0/HT0pwIquNgLmLF2dicc=; X-YMail-OSG: MsCMXjUVM1mC.YPtFbqnhElasXmRKpcDeJ6VEOzKOuhD2bQafqpF1IUk2gTnckzpZ5Ah4IwsEKkLgOe8rBabrrF.JfpJsyqgTSt6E6J1sxVQgpZ_cMYLhroLPp6xNA-- Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 07:10:09 -0700 (PDT) From: Paul Richards Subject: Re: I now "get" the RC-50. To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-241854196-1181830209=:97129" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <792127.97129.qm@web35111.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: <5rIZ_.A.cBD.CxUcGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71138 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 14:10:11 +0000 (UTC) --0-241854196-1181830209=:97129 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit There's also a computer in my Fart Machine. But laptops & PC's in general tend to crash occasionally. My Fart Machine has never failed me. Matthew_Quinn@vrtx.com wrote: >there's a computer in your EDP. :) lmao beat me to it I like hardware, but I'll never understand the bashing of either format, especially from what I'd expect to be a pretty open minded group of musicians! Reminds me of vinyl DJ's who bag on the guys now using CD turntables & laptops. The instrument doesn't matter, only the result. --------------------------------- Get the Yahoo! toolbar and be alerted to new email wherever you're surfing. --0-241854196-1181830209=:97129 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit There's also a computer in my Fart Machine. But laptops & PC's in general tend to crash occasionally. My Fart Machine has never failed me.

Matthew_Quinn@vrtx.com wrote:

>there's a computer in your EDP. :)

lmao

beat me to it

I like hardware, but I'll never understand the bashing of either format, especially from what I'd expect to be a pretty open minded group of musicians! Reminds me of vinyl DJ's who bag on the guys now using CD turntables & laptops.

The instrument doesn't matter, only the result.

Get the Yahoo! toolbar and be alerted to new email wherever you're surfing. --0-241854196-1181830209=:97129-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 14 14:16:42 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6C2233BF51; Thu, 14 Jun 2007 14:16:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-36--487548801 Message-Id: <14D80B8A-ADFE-49A5-A6BF-45E8EFE52101@mac.com> From: Teddy Subject: Re: I now "get" the RC-50. Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 10:16:37 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAA== X-Brightmail-scanned: yes Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71139 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 14:16:42 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-36--487548801 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed dear Jeff, I did not mean to invalidate your very strong opinion on the RC-50. I happen to disagree with everything you said about it, but I do agree that was released with some shortcomings. Mine is not the only opinion that matters, I value yours too. I just can't stand it when someone comes on a forum of very smart and reasonable people and spouts an opinion in the form of an absolute emotional outburst like you did. It's not helpful to the tone of the discussion. For me, the RC-50 is the only one that does what I need. So, naturally, in the discussion of our tools on this forum, I would like to share that information with others. If that makes you think I am some kind of novice or idiot for using it I don't see that as relevant to the discussion and it is offensive. If you need to release your pent up anger on the group or on a tool of the trade that's equally unproductive and does not add to the discussion. I assume from your previous posts that you'll probably turn this around again and try to make me look like the dick here since I have an opinion about a looper that doesn't go with yours, but I hope I am wrong and we can move on with the discussion without so much heat. It's just looping after all... why get so upset about it? Thanks, Teddy (not Killian) On Jun 14, 2007, at 9:41 AM, BreachinThePeace@aol.com wrote: > > > Dear Jeff- > > I don't believe Mr. Killian was attempting to tell you what to say, > only offering a different opinion. > > Just so people searching the web for looping tool ideas don't get > the wrong idea about the RC-50 from an obviously hot headed and out > of control person... > > > The RC-50 is a totally different animal from the Boomerang,(<---BS > Alert) which is a great looper for sure.<----(opinion alert, but > don't dare speak your convictions or you too could be the next "hot > headed and out of control person termed a "dick") > > I don't know if you actually tried one in real life but... (yep, I > own one, a repeater, a boomerang, etc) > > for me... it's a pretty good solution to how I want to loop funky > bits and have a drummer play along with me. > I use the guide extensively as a way for my drummer to have a click > track so my loops don't have to act as one. > there's nothing less funky than having one of your loops be stiff > so the drummer can follow it. > with the guide I can play as swampy and slinky as I want to and the > drummer still has something stiff to follow so the whole band > sounds right. > I use other loopers for pitch/reverse/ambient stuff. > the RC-50 is just a great collector of things to loop and turn on > and off. > > If you don't like it, don't buy it. > > too late. I simply could not believe the ineptitude of the device's > obvious premature release. In short, it sucks when it comes to a > FLOOR CONTROLLED LOOPER which it and the Boomerang both most > certainly are. > > > > but don't come on here and spout hateful propoganda like this.<--- > someone needs to learn what PROPAGANDA means, me thinks. > > Sure sounds like a pompous "tell me what to say" statement to me. > > different loopers work in different situations. period.<--obviously > you have a PHD in looping. I am in way over my head here.lol! > > get used to it. <----I think you just need to get used to the fact > that your's is NOT the only opinion that matters pal. > > the RC-50 is a great looper for a certain way of looping. > > > Teddy --Apple-Mail-36--487548801 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 dear Jeff,

I did not mean to = invalidate your very strong opinion on the RC-50.
I happen to = disagree with everything you said about it, but I do agree that was = released with some shortcomings.
Mine is not the only opinion = that matters, I value yours too.
I just can't stand it when = someone comes on a forum of very smart and reasonable people and spouts = an opinion in the form of an absolute emotional outburst like you = did.
It's not helpful to the tone of the = discussion.

For= me, the RC-50 is the only one that does what I need.
So, = naturally, in the discussion of our tools on this forum, I would like to = share that information with others.
If that makes you think I = am some kind of novice or idiot for using it I don't see that as = relevant to the discussion and it is offensive.
If you need to = release your pent up anger on the group or on a tool of the trade that's = equally unproductive and does not add to the discussion.

I assume from your previous = posts that you'll probably turn this around again and try to make me = look like the dick here since I have an opinion about a looper that = doesn't go with yours, but I hope I am wrong and we can move on with the = discussion without so much heat. It's just looping after all... why get = so upset about it?

Thanks,
Teddy = (not Killian)

On Jun 14, 2007, = at 9:41 AM, BreachinThePeace@aol.com = wrote:

=A0

=A0

Dear=A0Jeff-

=A0

I don't believe Mr. Killian was attempting = to tell you what to say, only offering a different = opinion.

=A0

Just so people = searching the web for looping tool ideas don't get the wrong = idea about the RC-50 from an obviously hot headed and out of control = person...
=A0

=A0

The RC-50 is a = totally different animal from the Boomerang,(<---BS = Alert)=A0which is a great looper for = sure.<----(opinion alert, but don't dare speak your = convictions or you too could be the next "hot headed and out of control = person termed a "dick")

=A0

I don't = know if you actually tried one in real life but... (yep, I = own one, a repeater, a boomerang, etc)

=A0
=
for me... it's a pretty good solution to how I want to loop funky = bits and have a drummer play along with me.=A0

I use the = guide extensively as a way for my drummer to have a click track so my = loops don't have to act as one.

there's nothing less funky = than having one of your loops be stiff so the drummer can follow = it.

with the guide I can play as swampy and slinky as I want = to and the drummer still has something stiff to follow so the whole band = sounds right.

I use other loopers for pitch/reverse/ambient = stuff.

the RC-50 is just a great collector of things to loop = and turn on and off.

If you don't like it, = don't buy it.

=A0

too late. I simply = could not believe the ineptitude of the device's obvious premature = release. In short, it sucks when it comes to a FLOOR CONTROLLED LOOPER = which it and the Boomerang both most certainly are.
=
=A0

=A0

=A0

but don't come on here = and spout hateful propoganda like this.<---someone needs = to learn what PROPAGANDA means, me thinks.
=
=A0

Sure sounds like a pompous "tell me what = to say" statement to me.

=A0
=
different loopers work in different situations. = period.<--obviously you have a PHD in looping. I am in = way over my head here.lol!

=A0

=A0get = used to it. <----I think you just need to get used to the = fact that your's is NOT the only opinion that matters = pal.

=A0

the RC-50 is a great looper = for a certain way of looping.

=A0
=
Teddy

=

= --Apple-Mail-36--487548801-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 14 14:27:41 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2C6A43BF3C; Thu, 14 Jun 2007 14:27:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <0cc601c7ae90$2704ad10$6401a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: Subject: Re: Case against laptops Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 08:27:33 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71140 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 14:27:41 +0000 (UTC) ----- Original Message ----- From: "samba -" > > One clear advantage to not using a laptop is that people working at > laptops are not particularly interesting to watch. This assumes that they have to look at and touch their laptop, which isn't always the case. In most cases, I can close my latop lid and do everything with my MIDI controller - I can now with my new max system. Also, some hardware loopers are also not particularly interesting to watch either. One just just as easily stare at his/her footpedals and instrument, rather than engaging the audience. Kris From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 14 14:29:38 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6F4AA3BF4E; Thu, 14 Jun 2007 14:29:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: BreachinThePeace@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 10:29:03 EDT Subject: Re: I now "get" the RC-50. To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-----------------------------1181831343" X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5366 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71141 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 14:29:38 +0000 (UTC) -------------------------------1181831343 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 6/14/2007 10:06:18 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, paulrichard_rocks@yahoo.com writes: No to fan the flames, but IMHO, the Boomerangs sound quality is very poor compared to the RC-50 so, to me, the Boomerang doesn't even get on the short list (and I wanted to like it-believe me I did). I agree! That was exactly what I had hoped would be accomplished with the RC-50. Instead it's got a million plus poorly engineered & useless bells and whistles. To me the perfect floor controlled (OF COURSE IT'S MY OPINION, WHY STATE THE OBVIOUS?) looper would have the Boomerang's ease and efficient functionality with the nice super quiet stereo sampling of the RC-50 coupled with the RC-50's multiple looping facility. Push button controls on a floor controlled looper are about as a practical as a one armed paper hanger. ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. -------------------------------1181831343 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

In a message dated 6/14/2007 10:06:18 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,=20 paulrichard_rocks@yahoo.com writes:
<= FONT=20 style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" face=3DArial color=3D#000000 size= =3D2>No to=20 fan the flames, but IMHO, the Boomerangs sound quality is very poor=20 compared to the RC-50 so, to me, the Boomerang doesn't even get on the sho= rt=20 list (and I wanted to like it-believe me I did).

I agree! That was exactly what I had hoped would be accomplished with t= he=20 RC-50. Instead it's got a million plus poorly engineered & useless=20 bells and whistles.

To me the perfect floor controlled (OF COURSE IT'S MY OPINION, WHY STAT= E=20 THE OBVIOUS?) looper would have the Boomerang's ease and=20 efficient functionality with the nice super quiet stereo sampling of th= e=20 RC-50 coupled with the RC-50's multiple looping facility. Push button contro= ls=20 on a floor controlled looper are about as a practical as a on= e=20 armed paper hanger.

See what's free at AOL.com.
-------------------------------1181831343-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 14 14:51:10 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BCA123BF52; Thu, 14 Jun 2007 14:51:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <018101c7ae5e$a3891f60$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> References: <018101c7ae5e$a3891f60$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-5--485508879 Message-Id: <41a959800d26ee8e80b93a4d607f8eef@glasswing.com> From: Richard Sales Subject: Structure & Freedom (was 'more loops) Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 07:50:37 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71142 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 14:51:10 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-5--485508879 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Hi Rick Well what I want to do is a combo of the two - I think Zoe does this. Where there's SOME PIECES that are very structured and pre saved (that you sing and play over) that have areas or loops that are open to free form improv. I think what I want to do is sort of a mini Grateful Dead thing where there's zones of total freedom surrounded by tight structure. So you can do your 'song' and have jam zones within the song. I guess I got tired of the whole songster thing where you play 3-5 minute songs one after the other. No ear candy for the audience! No ecstatic break aways to give breathing room. Lyrics can be like a sledge hammer. So I guess I'm trying to give the sledge hammer some wings! However, I also have a few instrumental pieces that are completely done on the fly. This was inspired by YOU! I want to perform at the Bay Area Loop thing you do and you said something to the effect of no pre recorded stuff. So I did that and it's HUGE fun. The problem I'm having with that is endings. I do those kinds of pieces and float off into the Milky Way and can't figure out how to get back down to earth and pull off any kind of ending other than fade out. So many years of working in tight bands etc have made me sort of a trained bear that just doesn't know how to get off the trapeze without some kind of dramatic drum roll landing. I know it's defective thinking! But fades seem to work okay. They're just not satisfying to me - the trained bear. I need to work on it more. Certainly with other musicians it would be a LOT easier! But other musicians are expensive. The band I tour with costs about a thousand dollars a day just to eat sleep travel and shower... and minimum pay. Great when there's tour support from the label. Impossible otherwise. Now, I still don't know if I actually can perform at the event because I think I'll be touring with Hayley. She's flying up the Canadian charts as we speak (16 with a bullet now) and is about to do the same in the UK (knock on wood) and then, if all goes as planned (en Shallah), the US. I don't have any looping stuff with her yet but our drummer plays in a band with looped guitar so we've talked about it. Maybe once we are gigging a lot we'll find time to try it out. Yeah... only if I could seduce someone like the fabulous Miles Ward (uber nerd genius Binary Shah and tuba king who's on this list) to help me suss out the Kid Beyond thing would I ever venture into that zone. We ARE talking about it - doing a two man binary blitzkrieg. Again, time (and it's good friend money) is the issue. Being on an island makes even a simple visit a $100+ dollar event. In the kind time, the best I can do is improve my chops and their connection with my, for lack of a better name, heart. > I just love free improvisation too much and want to be able to > improvise on the fly. > This frequently either precludes the kind of complexity and pre > arranged signal processing that > Andre (Kid Beyond) has programmed into his set or it requires using > several different styles > of looping gear. I have a ton of options with a line 6, a > repeater, a looperlative and an edp (soon to have > a Kaoss 3 pad as soon as I can reasonably afford one) so I have great > flexibility in turning corners on > a dime. I also love to resample loops to manipulate them in the > different ways that the looperlative, repeater, edp and line 6 do. > > I am, however, ambivalent about this approach too sometimes, and > have been contemplating starting to > add some arranged material into my live shows..............we'll see > how far I get this summer before Y2K7 richard sales glassWing farm and studio vancouver island, b.c. 800.545.6846 250.752.4816 www.glassWing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com On 14-Jun-07, at 1:33 AM, RICK WALKER wrote: --Apple-Mail-5--485508879 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=US-ASCII Hi Rick Well what I want to do is a combo of the two - I think Zoe does this. Where there's SOME PIECES that are very structured and pre saved (that you sing and play over) that have areas or loops that are open to free form improv. I think what I want to do is sort of a mini Grateful Dead thing where there's zones of total freedom surrounded by tight structure. So you can do your 'song' and have jam zones within the song. I guess I got tired of the whole songster thing where you play 3-5 minute songs one after the other. No ear candy for the audience! No ecstatic break aways to give breathing room. Lyrics can be like a sledge hammer. So I guess I'm trying to give the sledge hammer some wings! However, I also have a few instrumental pieces that are completely done on the fly. This was inspired by YOU! I want to perform at the Bay Area Loop thing you do and you said something to the effect of no pre recorded stuff. So I did that and it's HUGE fun. The problem I'm having with that is endings. I do those kinds of pieces and float off into the Milky Way and can't figure out how to get back down to earth and pull off any kind of ending other than fade out. So many years of working in tight bands etc have made me sort of a trained bear that just doesn't know how to get off the trapeze without some kind of dramatic drum roll landing. I know it's defective thinking! But fades seem to work okay. They're just not satisfying to me - the trained bear. I need to work on it more. Certainly with other musicians it would be a LOT easier! But other musicians are expensive. The band I tour with costs about a thousand dollars a day just to eat sleep travel and shower... and minimum pay. Great when there's tour support from the label. Impossible otherwise. Now, I still don't know if I actually can perform at the event because I think I'll be touring with Hayley. She's flying up the Canadian charts as we speak (16 with a bullet now) and is about to do the same in the UK (knock on wood) and then, if all goes as planned (en Shallah), the US. I don't have any looping stuff with her yet but our drummer plays in a band with looped guitar so we've talked about it. Maybe once we are gigging a lot we'll find time to try it out. Yeah... only if I could seduce someone like the fabulous Miles Ward (uber nerd genius Binary Shah and tuba king who's on this list) to help me suss out the Kid Beyond thing would I ever venture into that zone. We ARE talking about it - doing a two man binary blitzkrieg. Again, time (and it's good friend money) is the issue. Being on an island makes even a simple visit a $100+ dollar event. In the kind time, the best I can do is improve my chops and their connection with my, for lack of a better name, heart. I just love free improvisation too much and want to be able to improvise on the fly. This frequently either precludes the kind of complexity and pre arranged signal processing that Andre (Kid Beyond) has programmed into his set or it requires using several different styles of looping gear. I have a ton of options with a line 6, a repeater, a looperlative and an edp (soon to have a Kaoss 3 pad as soon as I can reasonably afford one) so I have great flexibility in turning corners on a dime. I also love to resample loops to manipulate them in the different ways that the looperlative, repeater, edp and line 6 do. I am, however, ambivalent about this approach too sometimes, and have been contemplating starting to add some arranged material into my live shows..............we'll see how far I get this summer before Y2K7 Gadgetrichard sales 7373,7F7F,C5C5glassWing farm and studio vancouver island, b.c. 800.545.6846 250.752.4816C3C3,9696,1C1C www.glassWing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com On 14-Jun-07, at 1:33 AM, RICK WALKER wrote: --Apple-Mail-5--485508879-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 14 14:55:32 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2C6E33BF62; Thu, 14 Jun 2007 14:55:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <0d4401c7ae94$0ce31530$6401a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: Subject: Re: f.s. looperlative and eclipse Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 08:55:28 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71143 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 14:55:32 +0000 (UTC) Scott! This is surprising! How can you remove music making from your "soul" unless it was never there to begin with. I find this hard to believe. I've seen you play and thought you had "it". Maybe this is just phase in your life and you will come back to music at some other point in time. I've done this myself before. Sometimes you just need a breather and time to evolve individually. ...well, when you do come back to music (and I think you may), it will be an opportune time to move to laptop. And I have just one phrase in response to your gear for sale: max/reaktor. Kris ----- Original Message ----- > > After a few months of soul searching I've discovered that making music > isn't really a priority to me and I'll be selling (almost)everything... > > I have an Eclipse and a Looperlative in a 4 space rack with a Raven Labs > preamp.2 pedals for the Eclipse and an FCB to run the Looperlative a power > supply and all the attendant cables---2850.00 > a Garz Guitars 12 string fretless bass 1500.00 > a Wishbass doubleneck,12 string guitar and 6 string fretless bass 500.00 > > Thanks.E-mail me off list if you're interested in anything... > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 14 14:56:52 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BB1783BF69; Thu, 14 Jun 2007 14:56:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: midifriedchicken@comcast.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: I now "get" the RC-50. Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 14:56:51 +0000 Message-Id: <061420071456.8618.46715732000F35E8000021AA2216549976020A050C07080C0B0A079D00070B0703@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Oct 4 2006) X-Authenticated-Sender: bWlkaWZyaWVkY2hpY2tlbkBjb21jYXN0Lm5ldA== MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_8618_1181833011_0" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71144 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 14:56:52 +0000 (UTC) --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_8618_1181833011_0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit But I need midi.....I also need to store the occasional wav file.....I also need stereo......I also need 3 loops......But hey, you've convinced me. Im getting rid of the RC-50 and getting a boomerang. Its sad really, The RC-50 seemed PERFECT for what I needed. Oh well. -------------- Original message -------------- From: BreachinThePeace@aol.com In a message dated 6/14/2007 10:06:18 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, paulrichard_rocks@yahoo.com writes: No to fan the flames, but IMHO, the Boomerangs sound quality is very poor compared to the RC-50 so, to me, the Boomerang doesn't even get on the short list (and I wanted to like it-believe me I did). I agree! That was exactly what I had hoped would be accomplished with the RC-50. Instead it's got a million plus poorly engineered & useless bells and whistles. To me the perfect floor controlled (OF COURSE IT'S MY OPINION, WHY STATE THE OBVIOUS?) looper would have the Boomerang's ease and efficient functionality with the nice super quiet stereo sampling of the RC-50 coupled with the RC-50's multiple looping facility. Push button controls on a floor controlled looper are about as a practical as a one armed paper hanger. See what's free at AOL.com. --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_8618_1181833011_0 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
But I need midi.....I also need to store the occasional wav file.....I also need stereo......I also need 3 loops......But hey, you've convinced me. Im getting rid of the RC-50 and getting a boomerang.

Its sad really, The RC-50 seemed PERFECT for what I needed.

Oh well.

-------------- Original message --------------
From: BreachinThePeace@aol.com

In a message dated 6/14/2007 10:06:18 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, paulrichard_rocks@yahoo.com writes:

No to fan the flames, but IMHO, the Boomerangs sound quality is very poor compared to the RC-50 so, to me, the Boomerang doesn't even get on the short list (and I wanted to like it-believe me I did).

I agree! That was exactly what I had hoped would be accomplished with the RC-50. Instead it's got a million plus poorly engineered & useless bells and whistles.

To me the perfect floor controlled (OF COURSE IT'S MY OPINION, WHY STATE THE OBVIOUS?) looper would have the Boomerang's ease and efficient functionality with the nice super quiet stereo sampling of the RC-50 coupled with the RC-50's multiple looping facility. Push button controls on a floor controlled looper are about as a practical as a one armed paper hanger.

See what's free at AOL.com.
--NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_8618_1181833011_0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 14 14:58:46 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7F0583BF6D; Thu, 14 Jun 2007 14:58:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: midifriedchicken@comcast.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: f.s. looperlative and eclipse Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 14:58:44 +0000 Message-Id: <061420071458.15657.467157A40009FA5000003D292216549976020A050C07080C0B0A079D00070B0703@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Oct 4 2006) X-Authenticated-Sender: bWlkaWZyaWVkY2hpY2tlbkBjb21jYXN0Lm5ldA== MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_15657_1181833124_0" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71145 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 14:58:46 +0000 (UTC) --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_15657_1181833124_0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit With respect to BreachinThePeace@aofuckingl.com, That may be the the finest effect, looper combos available. At least in the Hardware realm. -------------- Original message -------------- From: "Krispen Hartung" > Scott! This is surprising! How can you remove music making from your "soul" > unless it was never there to begin with. I find this hard to believe. > I've seen you play and thought you had "it". Maybe this is just phase in > your life and you will come back to music at some other point in time. I've > done this myself before. Sometimes you just need a breather and time to > evolve individually. > > ...well, when you do come back to music (and I think you may), it will be an > opportune time to move to laptop. And I have just one phrase in response to > your gear for sale: max/reaktor. > > Kris > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > After a few months of soul searching I've discovered that making music > > isn't really a priority to me and I'll be selling (almost)everything... > > > > I have an Eclipse and a Looperlative in a 4 space rack with a Raven Labs > > preamp.2 pedals for the Eclipse and an FCB to run the Looperlative a power > > supply and all the attendant cables---2850.00 > > a Garz Guitars 12 string fretless bass 1500.00 > > a Wishbass doubleneck,12 string guitar and 6 string fretless bass 500.00 > > > > Thanks.E-mail me off list if you're interested in anything... > > > > > > --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_15657_1181833124_0 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
With respect to BreachinThePeace@aofuckingl.com, That may be the the finest effect, looper combos available. At least in the Hardware realm.

-------------- Original message --------------
From: "Krispen Hartung" <khartung@cableone.net>

> Scott! This is surprising! How can you remove music making from your "soul"
> unless it was never there to begin with. I find this hard to believe.
> I've seen you play and thought you had "it". Maybe this is just phase in
> your life and you will come back to music at some other point in time. I've
> done this myself before. Sometimes you just need a breather and time to
> evolve individually.
>
> ...well, when you do come back to music (and I think you may), it will be an
> opportune time to move to laptop. And I have just one phrase in response to
> your gear for sale: max/reaktor.
>
> Kris
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> >
> > After a few months of soul searching I've discovered that making music
> > isn't really a priority to me and I'll be selling (almost)everything...
> >
> > I have an Eclipse and a Looperlative in a 4 space rack with a Raven Labs
> > preamp.2 pedals for the Eclipse and an FCB to run the Looperlative a power
> > supply and all the attendant cables---2850.00
> > a Garz Guitars 12 string fretless bass 1500.00
> > a Wishbass doubleneck,12 string guitar and 6 string fretless bass 500.00
> >
> > Thanks.E-mail me off list if you're interested in anything...
> >
> >
>
>
--NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_15657_1181833124_0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 14 15:13:25 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C38813BF57; Thu, 14 Jun 2007 15:13:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=sbcglobal.net; h=Received:X-YMail-OSG:User-Agent:Date:Subject:From:To:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:Mime-version:Content-type:Content-transfer-encoding; b=oGMEpJ6QCWSjdGoOZtxzJJ1J77MnWoN1mPkEO7AnsnM72QksY/KQuelsV6jgzTIS0poKbgQgx2ikIqWL6YFc0SV4FVpeCiSmO6CL0X0LJvb4GABG++pY4UZ1Y+ZFFFbcO4e4+4wgDzcBBUEst+lqIZt2h5v3oV0Kh0/qFpRbY4I= ; X-YMail-OSG: q0BK8yAVM1kLppQlWGZHwm2m51OP7kYpll.geRXPQEy2gjwgBXvd_oJiYb5KOqlHIJa13GP4Mw-- User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.0.0.040405 Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 08:13:20 -0700 Subject: Re: f.s. looperlative and eclipse From: Larry Stites To: Loopers Delight Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71146 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 15:13:25 +0000 (UTC) I am interested in the Looperlative and will research the Eclipse. Please give more information. What software level in the Looperlative? Memory, condition, how was it used? And if you would, what is an Eclipse? thanks on 6/14/07 12:14 AM, Scott Drengsen wrote: > > After a few months of soul searching I've discovered that making music > isn't really a priority to me and I'll be selling (almost)everything... > > I have an Eclipse and a Looperlative in a 4 space rack with a Raven > Labs preamp.2 pedals for the Eclipse and an FCB to run the Looperlative > a power supply and all the attendant cables---2850.00 > a Garz Guitars 12 string fretless bass 1500.00 > a Wishbass doubleneck,12 string guitar and 6 string fretless bass 500.00 > > Thanks.E-mail me off list if you're interested in anything... > Larry Stites Nevada City, CA 95959 530 320 4194 direct ncnet@sbcglobal.net AOL IM: LESGGN From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 14 15:16:49 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7FEDE3BF4B; Thu, 14 Jun 2007 15:16:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <017e01c7ae97$37911c20$19b2a8c0@netzrechner> Reply-To: "Tilmann Dehnhard" From: "Tilmann Dehnhard" To: References: <930530.27108.qm@web35107.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <548E9D60-1DDB-40F5-88CF-284E8E344868@midway.uchicago.edu> <50489.67.136.237.160.1181697414.squirrel@webmail.zerocrossing.net> <50665.67.136.237.160.1181700796.squirrel@webmail.zerocrossing.net> <588ce11d0706122257u2a367b8ew368e6ed2500609c0@mail.gmail.com> <3B760999C264454D82652640BB74075C370E2B@keel.sailpoint.com> <54708.67.136.236.95.1181767190.squirrel@webmail.zerocrossing.net> <25ac75b1819d7e1784bf39a1653477ae@glasswing.com> <54951.67.136.236.95.1181774928.squirrel@webmail.zerocrossing.net> <616804bb45c22f8cd46e8c956d624502@glasswing.com> Subject: Re: OT $1.95 synth! Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 17:18:08 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1+RlNHIAavgvrF/AX5G6gcJqsMnCRWaELPJFO9 2rUHGm7/gG5ccwCjGsJ3OreKUBUWlLGvzZkTTTJbF6ck11kWAK iDVkaCjC0ftiPR1aoWTVAhPXbbEXJ5P Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71147 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 15:16:49 +0000 (UTC) the wusik-people have constructed a strange scenario, here: all the risk is given to their (potential) customers. with ZERO guarantee. but every single dollar people send in is theirs to keep. they will not give it back! so whatever happens, wusik will make some dollars from idealistic people. if they should not make the 150 000 margin, a very strange effect will set in: wusik will disappoint all their (potential) customers at once - for a lousy 2 dollars per customer. marketingwise a disaster... it would be wise to give out the prog to these people, anyway. smooth looping - tilmann ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Sales" To: Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2007 1:28 AM Subject: Re: OT $1.95 synth! > > On 13-Jun-07, at 3:48 PM, sine@zerocrossing.net wrote: >>> Did I understand what you were saying? >> >> I'm not sure. I thought you were saying that the VST synth market today >> was small and I'm thinking it's not that small. > > Oh no! that's not what I was saying. I would imagine the VST market is > huge because it's so cheap. > > Somewhere back in the thread someone mentioned that some things couldn't > be sold cheap because they didn't think the market would support all the > R&D necessary to develop the product if sold cheap. (Think > "Looperlative"). That's why I mentioned the small synth market in the > 80's. Nowadays it might be different with VST etc. And definitely Google > has thrown a new frisbee into that whole logic. I would think it would > take a lot of courage and fallback plans (or day jobs) to pull that off. > > You are 100% correct! The cheaper the item the (potentially) bigger the > market. $2 synths and free looping software is a great thing. Hats off > to those with the faith and/or resources to do it. > > Richard > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 14 15:18:32 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B776B3BF5D; Thu, 14 Jun 2007 15:18:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <3F9B5001-A63C-47B3-8EB6-698CCE6C1DB7@midway.uchicago.edu> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Jeff Shirkey Subject: Re: f.s. looperlative and eclipse Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 10:20:19 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71148 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 15:18:32 +0000 (UTC) > what is an Eclipse? http://www.eventide.com/eclipse/eclipse.htm From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 14 15:34:44 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9B6AA3BF53; Thu, 14 Jun 2007 15:34:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <000001c7ae1b$ae2a8280$1001a8c0@succubus> References: <000001c7ae1b$ae2a8280$1001a8c0@succubus> Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 11:32:58 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Mech Subject: Re: Looping with the KP3 Kaoss Pad (video) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71149 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 15:34:44 +0000 (UTC) At 2:33 AM +0200 6/14/07, Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill wrote: > >http://video.google.de/videoplay?docid=-4135927290013891493 > >This is me playing guitar into Zoom G2.1u into Boss DD20 into Korg KP3. > >Use of loopsamples from the DD20 and the KP3 is explained in the video. >About other effects: if you see my fingers move on the Kaoss pad, it's the >Kaoss pad ;) Hey Rainer, nice suit!!! ;) Seriously though, very cool demo video! I've been using my KP3 for effects only, and I'd not yet gotten a chance to really play with it's sampling capabilities. For some reason, I was previously under the impression that you needed to use the external editor to get a really clean loop. Thank you for showing how easy it actually is. Have you tried playing around with the loop re-ordering capabilities yet? --m. -- _____ "I want to keep you alive so there is always the possibility of murder... later" From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 14 15:39:58 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 16C343BF6F; Thu, 14 Jun 2007 15:39:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: midifriedchicken@comcast.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: f.s. looperlative and eclipse Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 15:39:55 +0000 Message-Id: <061420071539.21209.4671614B000C6007000052D92216554886020A050C07080C0B0A079D00070B0703@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Oct 4 2006) X-Authenticated-Sender: bWlkaWZyaWVkY2hpY2tlbkBjb21jYXN0Lm5ldA== MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_21209_1181835595_0" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71150 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 15:39:58 +0000 (UTC) --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_21209_1181835595_0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Heavenly Reverbs. Oh my. -------------- Original message -------------- From: Jeff Shirkey > > > what is an Eclipse? > > http://www.eventide.com/eclipse/eclipse.htm > --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_21209_1181835595_0 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Heavenly Reverbs. Oh my.

-------------- Original message --------------
From: Jeff Shirkey <jcshirke@midway.uchicago.edu>

>
> > what is an Eclipse?
>
> http://www.eventide.com/eclipse/eclipse.htm
>
--NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_21209_1181835595_0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 14 16:39:33 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E657A3BF59; Thu, 14 Jun 2007 16:39:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <006101c7ae08$55afbb60$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> References: <006101c7ae08$55afbb60$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 12:38:59 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Mech Subject: Re: MORE LOOPS? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <1BL85C.A.TrD.E9WcGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71151 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 16:39:32 +0000 (UTC) At 3:15 PM -0700 6/13/07, RICK WALKER wrote: > >So, my long winded point is that there is a distinct danger using >this technology >to play TOO MANY LOOPS at the same time. Why am I >shouting.............................I DON'T KNOW WHY!!!!! > >your thoughts? Rick, Just playing a bit of devil's advocate here. I'd definitely agree that having the ability to record so many loops does tend to allow people to compose cluttered arrangements. However, there is a technique that this -- having many available loops, that is -- opens up very well. Rainer touched upon applying classical orchestration to your looping. Look at the way many composers (Mozart; Ravel's Bolero; heck, even Ennio Morricone) pass parts between different instruments, often playing with the way orchestral instruments combine with each other, doubling each other's parts and passing the lines from instrument to instrument. So, you could lay down a part with a flute line. Next, double that line with a clarinet. Third pass, eliminate the flute, but double the remaining clarinet with an oboe. Next pass, oboe and bassoon; then bassoon and, say, french horn; then french horn and flute again, only in harmony a fifth below, etc., etc., etc.... While you could do the above with only two loops and overdubs/undos, it sure is a lot easier to do it with multiple loops, especially if you're revisiting parts. Of course, it goes without saying that just because you've recorded 8 separate loops doesn't mean you have to play them all together (or, well, you could: if you're going for a really massive line, or an overall jumbled texture). I guess that the bottom line is that there really are no rules (not even this one). Just know what you're doing and, more importantly, WHY you're doing it. That way, you'll be driving your gear, rather than letting it drive you. --m. -- _____ "I want to keep you alive so there is always the possibility of murder... later" From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 14 17:06:12 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4AE923BF4F; Thu, 14 Jun 2007 17:06:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <5.2.1.1.0.20070614095623.02c7b008@mail.onemodelplace.com> X-Sender: CaraQuinn@mail.onemodelplace.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.1 Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 10:07:06 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Cara Quinn Subject: Re: Case against laptops In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-7F33123F; boundary="=======AVGMAIL-467175BC2122=======" Resent-Message-ID: <_OLbwD.A.1OF.DWXcGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71152 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 17:06:12 +0000 (UTC) --=======AVGMAIL-467175BC2122======= Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=====================_5467501==.ALT"; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-7F33123F --=====================_5467501==.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-7F33123F Must agree. :) As I'd mentioned yesterday, to me at least, it's not the equip that matters, it's the expression / rapport. I think the idea of showmanship is good, but if taken to the point of sacrificing the expression, you essentially are back where you started?... yes?... So I personally think it just comes down to a balance... The instruments and showmanship can both help a performer express / communicate to an audience... Just my thoughts... Smiles, Cara At 09:59 AM 6/14/2007 -0400, you wrote: >In a message dated 6/14/2007 6:34:43 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, >goddard.duncan@mtvne.com writes: >can you imagine hendrix ever having become immortal from behind a >laptop? case closed > > > >man if you don't think that Hendrix would have been using computers on >stage and in the studio you obviously don't know much about Hendrix. (me >thinks the greatest guitarist of all time btw) Hendrix was all about total >innovation and the use of every technical capacity at his disposal. I am >CERTAIN Hendrix wouldn't have been caught dead (no pun intended) without a >laptop wherever. > >please don't call me a dick just because you don't agree with me. > >thanks, >Jeff > > > > >---------- >See what's free at AOL.com. > > >No virus found in this incoming message. >Checked by AVG Free Edition. >Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 269.8.13/844 - Release Date: 6/11/2007 >5:10 PM --- View my on-line portfolio at: http://www.onemodelplace.com/CaraQuinn "The only things I really think are important, are love, and each other. -Then, anything is possible..." http://home.earthlink.net/~cara-quinn --=====================_5467501==.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-7F33123F                   Must agree. :)

As I'd mentioned yesterday, to me at least, it's not the equip that matters, it's the expression / rapport. I think the idea of showmanship is good, but if taken to the point of sacrificing the expression, you essentially are back where you started?... yes?...

So I personally think it just comes down to a balance... The instruments and showmanship can both help a performer express / communicate to an audience...

Just my thoughts...

Smiles,

Cara

At 09:59 AM 6/14/2007 -0400, you wrote:

In a message dated 6/14/2007 6:34:43 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, goddard.duncan@mtvne.com writes:

can you imagine hendrix ever having become immortal from behind a

laptop? case closed

man if you don't think that Hendrix would have been using computers on stage and in the studio you obviously don't know much about Hendrix. (me thinks the greatest guitarist of all time btw) Hendrix was all about total innovation and the use of every technical capacity at his disposal. I am CERTAIN Hendrix wouldn't have been caught dead (no pun intended) without a laptop wherever.

please don't call me a dick just because you don't agree with me.

thanks,
Jeff

See what's free at AOL.com.

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Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 269.8.13/844 - Release Date: 6/11/2007 5:= 10 PM --=======AVGMAIL-467175BC2122=======-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 14 17:30:37 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8273F3BF58; Thu, 14 Jun 2007 17:30:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: eterogeneo Reply-To: eterogeneo To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Case against laptops Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 19:29:14 +0200 Message-ID: X-Mailer: EPOC e-mail Versione 2.10 Resent-Message-ID: <2JO8cB.A.5pG.9sXcGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71153 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 17:30:37 +0000 (UTC) Cara, you stole my words.... I'm totally agree with you. fabio www.eterogeneo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 14 17:33:36 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C50253BF18; Thu, 14 Jun 2007 17:33:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [4.246.69.120] X-Originating-Email: [sambacomet@hotmail.com] X-Sender: sambacomet@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <20070614145111.300E13BF60@arsenic.violacea.com> From: "samba -" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Laptops Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 10:33:30 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Jun 2007 17:33:33.0742 (UTC) FILETIME=[21C28CE0:01C7AEAA] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71154 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 17:33:36 +0000 (UTC) Sorry to go logical on you ,but I don't assume that at all .I spoke only of the people who sit at their laptops .I'm in no way against the use of laptops ,or any other gear,nor do I think showmanship is a necessary part of good music.It's a good idea for folks trying to gig to have some. But I find alot of things people do in the name of showmanship trite and boring . That's why I said I like the fact that percussionists look like they're doing something just because the instruments are so physical. I probably have less showmaship than anyone I know,I'm much more interested in riding the vibe than in acting out. One of the reasons I've played so much dance music( esp for various freaky subcultural scenes) is ,I want the audience to visually stimulate me. I also find audiences that sit there staring to be kind of boring. "This assumes that they have to look at and touch their laptop, which isn't always the case. In most cases, I can close my latop lid and do everything with my MIDI controller - I can now with my new max system. Also, some hardware loopers are also not particularly interesting to watch either. One just just as easily stare at his/her footpedals and instrument, rather than engaging the audience." _________________________________________________________________ Make every IM count. Download Messenger and join the i’m Initiative now. It’s free. http://im.live.com/messenger/im/home/?source=TAGHM_June07 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 14 17:33:58 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E8FBD3BF64; Thu, 14 Jun 2007 17:33:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <0d8001c7aeaa$2e542bd0$6401a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <5.2.1.1.0.20070614095623.02c7b008@mail.onemodelplace.com> Subject: Re: Case against laptops Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 11:33:53 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0D7D_01C7AE77.E2B2FA30" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71155 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 17:33:58 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0D7D_01C7AE77.E2B2FA30 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 6/14/2007 6:34:43 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, = goddard.duncan@mtvne.com writes: > can you imagine hendrix ever having become immortal from behind a = laptop? case closed yes. case re-opened.=20 Kris ------=_NextPart_000_0D7D_01C7AE77.E2B2FA30 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
In a message dated 6/14/2007 6:34:43 = A.M. Eastern=20 Standard Time, goddard.duncan@mtvne.com writes:
> can you imagine = hendrix=20 ever having become immortal from behind a laptop? case = closed

yes. case re-opened.=20

Kris
------=_NextPart_000_0D7D_01C7AE77.E2B2FA30-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 14 17:46:53 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 893D23BF72; Thu, 14 Jun 2007 17:46:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=LPk1b3HF6YQb0gBbe1lvLTkf6sXnP9MwuZ6sKPrdL0fzPEKzv5SAHa3vHsa9FcF4iCfP9fhRwBbRDUXcTRcwsAfE4DeRuI0uToOoyjFUDbIkznTdhFtEho7Bfw4d2Bw7nCAXrHGjILpr8tM+N155lpLUdkaUD6mrVo9zaXi3AJ8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=AWCa799fnyouHrF6ZjAJzLXoU3ZpOUGDev8yoeuG2kqEk/3ZS/JMZjJPNSDjnYS9jmxm0w+lhs3ahCHiOBOUrsxXWrWgRQi1Oj90L7LKZfdE4ZybA7/6G4mxFgyIXqFZd0vcJCa3xSrccNAREFNy1Bur27V5XzZge0KQGALjf2E= Message-ID: Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 10:46:51 -0700 From: "Travis Hartnett" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Laptops In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <20070614145111.300E13BF60@arsenic.violacea.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71156 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 17:46:53 +0000 (UTC) As an audience member, I prefer that I be able to easily tell the difference between the performing musician and someone checking their email while the output of their iTunes is pumped through the PA. All the laptop performances I've seen have featured a musician who stares at the computer most of the time. I know there's exceptions, but this has been my experience. TH > > "This assumes that they have to look at and touch their laptop, which isn't > always the case. In most cases, I can close my latop lid and do everything > with my MIDI controller - I can now with my new max system. Also, some > hardware loopers are also not particularly interesting to watch either. One > just just as easily stare at his/her footpedals and instrument, rather than > engaging the audience." > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 14 17:51:05 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C52AE3BF56; Thu, 14 Jun 2007 17:51:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <6A41CA05-3E70-4683-B448-1790B2FE71FE@zoekeating.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Zoe Keating Subject: looping (w/ laptop ;-) ) on TV Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 10:51:03 -0700 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71157 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 17:51:05 +0000 (UTC) my looping segment on CBS13 is online for your viewing pleasure. given that the show was infotainment fluff, i chose to do a really accessible and simple piece that shows how it is done. sound is ok, not great. http://cbs13.com/video/?id=21518@kovr.dayport.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 14 17:51:58 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3D8483BF61; Thu, 14 Jun 2007 17:51:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [4.246.69.120] X-Originating-Email: [sambacomet@hotmail.com] X-Sender: sambacomet@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <20070614140554.612A03BF5E@arsenic.violacea.com> From: "samba -" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Laptops Hendrix Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 10:51:54 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Jun 2007 17:51:56.0678 (UTC) FILETIME=[B3293A60:01C7AEAC] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71158 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 17:51:58 +0000 (UTC) Hendrix was a very important part of my life,I saw him more than once first time at age 13. But I must say speculation about what he would ,and would not have used if he were alive seems kinda silly to me. Some think he used whatever was cutting edge,perhaps so but his use of chords and knowledge of theory don't seem to reflect that at all,his harmony knowlegde was pretty basic,nowhere near the cutting edge.Of course he went beyond edges all together with pure soud explorations.Hard to put in a neat box. Miles is known to have been on various cutting edges alll his life,but did his actual playing do that? I would say not,his compsotion,arragement presentation did,though often by drawing on what was happening elsewhere ( notably imitating Hendrix,and SLy)and adding it to 'serious' jazz .His chops and articulation didn't really stay on the cutting edge after his pioneering use of electronics. Hendrix when he died was already getting bypassed in terms of technique by fusionoid stuff that was a response to his trailblazing. Maybe he would've woodshedded his modes and started dropping in extreme substitutions- who knows. Thye laptop doesn;'t seem kinetic enough a performace tool though,eve i the studion he was more iterested in live expressio than elaborate intellectual architecture. Hendrix got really extreme at putting on a show as a way to get some where in the music biz, and it worked but after he made it he felt trapped in that freakshow role.He said in interveiws he wished people could just close their eye and let the music take them. _________________________________________________________________ PC Magazine’s 2007 editors’ choice for best Web mail—award-winning Windows Live Hotmail. http://imagine-windowslive.com/hotmail/?locale=en-us&ocid=TXT_TAGHM_migration_HM_mini_pcmag_0507 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 14 17:53:46 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 41D443BF5F; Thu, 14 Jun 2007 17:53:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <0d9901c7aeac$f3129e00$6401a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: Subject: Re: Laptops Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 11:53:40 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71159 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 17:53:46 +0000 (UTC) ----- Original Message ----- From: "samba -" < > Sorry to go logical on you ,but I don't assume that at all .I spoke only > of the people who sit at their laptops I followed you, though I don't know what a subjective term like "interesting" has to do with logic in this particular case. I am referring to the same people, like myself, Kaiser, and others. If a musician is sitting down at the laptop, they can still be "interesting". For instance, I think Kaiser is particular interesting to watch, even though he sits at his laptop. He plays a trumpet, makes interesting faces, moves around, and is very expressionate. And he does all of this while hardly ever touching his computer, just his controller pedals on the ground,. All "interesting" in my subjective perspective. And I've seen other sit-down musicians do all sorts of fun things. If we say sit-down laptop musicians are categorically uninteresting to watch, then this pretty much rules out the possibility of a disabled person being interesting to you, right? Or can they do something while in the chair to capture your attention? I guess so. But in general, I tend to agree with you that a good portion of the sit-down laptop users I've seen haven't been that exciting to me. But I like to focus on the positive and the exceptions rather than dwelling on the other. It motives more change. So, when you said "One clear advantage to not using a laptop is that people working at laptops are not particularly interesting to watch"....were you generalizing (clearly), stating your personal opinion of only the sit-down laptop users you've seen, or making a specific claim about only a sub-set of sit-down laptop users? That statement was not clear enough to discern your intent. Kris .I'm in no way against the use of > laptops ,or any other gear,nor do I think showmanship is a necessary > part of good music.It's a good idea for folks trying to gig to have some. > But I find alot of things people do in the name of showmanship trite and > boring . That's why I said I like the fact that percussionists look like > they're doing something just because the instruments are so physical. I > probably have less showmaship than anyone I know,I'm much more interested > in riding the vibe than in acting out. One of the reasons I've played so > much dance music( esp for various freaky subcultural scenes) is ,I want > the audience to visually stimulate me. I also find audiences that sit > there staring to be kind of boring. >> One clear advantage to not using a laptop is that people working at >> laptops are not particularly interesting to watch. > "This assumes that they have to look at and touch their laptop, which > isn't > always the case. In most cases, I can close my latop lid and do everything > with my MIDI controller - I can now with my new max system. Also, some > hardware loopers are also not particularly interesting to watch either. > One > just just as easily stare at his/her footpedals and instrument, rather > than > engaging the audience." > > _________________________________________________________________ > Make every IM count. Download Messenger and join the i'm Initiative now. > It's free. http://im.live.com/messenger/im/home/?source=TAGHM_June07 > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 14 17:55:55 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2A65F3BF74; Thu, 14 Jun 2007 17:55:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <0da001c7aead$3f2da640$6401a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <20070614145111.300E13BF60@arsenic.violacea.com> Subject: Re: Laptops Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 11:55:50 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71160 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 17:55:55 +0000 (UTC) Fair enough. You state what you pefer and limit your statement to your personal experience. Nothing wrong with that. Hopefully you can experience something different in the future. K- ----- Original Message ----- From: "Travis Hartnett" < > As an audience member, I prefer that I be able to easily tell the > difference between the performing musician and someone checking their > email while the output of their iTunes is pumped through the PA. > > All the laptop performances I've seen have featured a musician who > stares at the computer most of the time. I know there's exceptions, > but this has been my experience. > > TH > >> >> "This assumes that they have to look at and touch their laptop, which >> isn't >> always the case. In most cases, I can close my latop lid and do >> everything >> with my MIDI controller - I can now with my new max system. Also, some >> hardware loopers are also not particularly interesting to watch either. >> One >> just just as easily stare at his/her footpedals and instrument, rather >> than >> engaging the audience." >> > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 14 17:56:33 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 44DCB3BF76; Thu, 14 Jun 2007 17:56:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [4.246.69.120] X-Originating-Email: [sambacomet@hotmail.com] X-Sender: sambacomet@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <20070614170613.499B93BF63@arsenic.violacea.com> From: "samba -" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Endings Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 10:56:29 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Jun 2007 17:56:31.0774 (UTC) FILETIME=[57218BE0:01C7AEAD] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71161 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 17:56:33 +0000 (UTC) ..you could just stop. _________________________________________________________________ Make every IM count. Download Messenger and join the i’m Initiative now. It’s free. http://im.live.com/messenger/im/home/?source=TAGHM_June07 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 14 17:57:16 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 407F13BF86; Thu, 14 Jun 2007 17:57:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: AW: Looping with the KP3 Kaoss Pad (video) Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 19:57:33 +0200 Organization: Moinlabs Message-ID: <000301c7aead$7bfafcd0$1001a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: Thread-Index: AceumYiykeSvf7epQxu06CJWOOMkWgAD/uqQ X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-RZG-AUTH: lUESeo99iNzPL8kuBgLYdKEqUywq9cxqeRA+BtFcSCD5deQ7OId52j/2YQ== X-RZG-CLASS-ID: mo07 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71162 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 17:57:16 +0000 (UTC) > Hey Rainer, nice suit!!! ;) Thanks! It seems that most looping people prefer this (Boss) suit even to my fifties' threepiece and to the cutaway stage clothing ;) > Seriously though, very cool demo video! I've been using my > KP3 for effects only, and I'd not yet gotten a chance to > really play with it's sampling capabilities. You should - this is why I got the KP3. (Sidenote: I already own a KP1 and KP2. I got the KP2 for its MIDI sync capabilities, then found that it doesn't have these nice, gritty, eighties-digital filters the KP1 has so I had to keep the KP1. Now I believe I can easily part with the KP2, though - anyone here in Germany or Europe interested in a mint-condition KP2?) > For some reason, I was previously under the impression that > you needed to use the external editor to get a really clean > loop. Thank you for showing how easy it actually is. There is only one point which might keep you from getting a clean loop (in the timing sense): you have to select bpm (either by tapping or by knobturning) and loop length (in beats) in advance. This will work well if you play to an already existing loop or a delay set in bpm. What I did (also in the video) is to create a basic loop in the DD20 (great if you want e.g. reverse, multiply/divide, the time-advance artifacts you also hear in the video or lots of overdubs), then set the bpm of the KP3 according to the DD20's display (caveat: its bpm display only displays integer number, so a safe bet would be to take the ms reading and do some quick calculations in your head) and transfer the loop. If you meant a click-free loop with "clean loop", I heavily suspect it to perform some non-destructive crossfading. > Have you tried playing around with the loop re-ordering > capabilities yet? As I understand, there is no re-ordering capability. The only things you can do to an individual loop are: * adjust volume * turn on/off * remove some of its eight slices * slide by a maximum of 1 beat There is indeed a great lot of possible options I'd really like to see in the KP3, at least some of which I believe would be easily possible...let's all get together and pester Korg until they implement them! Some ideas: * "initial loop functionality" * panning of samples * add/remove samples and the line in from being processed by the effect * playback of all samples continues when switching to sample edit * reverse for entire samples and specific slices * sliding/retriggering/stuttering Any more ideas? Rainer From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 14 18:05:15 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 46E8E3BF80; Thu, 14 Jun 2007 18:05:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <0dc901c7aeae$8e084e40$6401a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Laptops Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 12:05:11 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71163 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 18:05:15 +0000 (UTC) [not addressing Travis specifically, but just the general group] To be fair here, we could also point out that there are musicians who standup and use hardware that can come across just as "uninteresting" as some sit-down laptop users. What's more "uninteresting", watching a laptop musician check his email all night, or a stand-up guitarist checking the time on his wrist watch all night? I'm sure it varies by observer, but the point is that what does the laptop have to do with any of this as a general rule? Nothing that I can see, as I can easily imagine a counter-example that involves the laptop, or a similar example that doesn't involve the laptop. I believe counter-examples still cary some weight these days in the world of reason correct? So we factor the gear out of the equation and limit the discussion to the individual behavior of the performer and the subjective resonse of the viewer. Eveything in between these two things seems to be incidental. Kris > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Travis Hartnett" < >> As an audience member, I prefer that I be able to easily tell the >> difference between the performing musician and someone checking their >> email while the output of their iTunes is pumped through the PA. >> >> All the laptop performances I've seen have featured a musician who >> stares at the computer most of the time. I know there's exceptions, >> but this has been my experience. >> >> TH From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 14 18:07:05 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EA6EF3BF8A; Thu, 14 Jun 2007 18:07:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: midifriedchicken@comcast.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Laptops Hendrix Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 18:07:02 +0000 Message-Id: <061420071807.18364.467183C60001BDF4000047BC2216527966020A050C07080C0B0A079D00070B0703@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Oct 4 2006) X-Authenticated-Sender: bWlkaWZyaWVkY2hpY2tlbkBjb21jYXN0Lm5ldA== MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_18364_1181844422_0" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71164 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 18:07:05 +0000 (UTC) --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_18364_1181844422_0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Would he smash his laptop? Cause that would be cool. -------------- Original message -------------- From: "samba -" > > Hendrix was a very important part of my life,I saw him more than once > first time at age 13. But I must say speculation about what he would ,and > would not have used if he were alive seems kinda silly to me. Some think he > used whatever was cutting edge,perhaps so but his use of chords and > knowledge of theory don't seem to reflect that at all,his harmony knowlegde > was pretty basic,nowhere near the cutting edge.Of course he went beyond > edges all together with pure soud explorations.Hard to put in a neat box. > Miles is known to have been on various cutting edges alll his life,but did > his actual playing do that? I would say not,his compsotion,arragement > presentation did,though often by drawing on what was happening elsewhere ( > notably imitating Hendrix,and SLy)and adding it to 'serious' jazz .His chops > and articulation didn't really stay on the cutting edge after his pioneering > use of electronics. Hendrix when he died was already getting bypassed in > terms of technique by fusionoid stuff that was a response to his > trailblazing. Maybe he would've woodshedded his modes and started dropping > in extreme substitutions- who knows. Thye laptop doesn;'t seem kinetic > enough a performace tool though,eve i the studion he was more iterested in > live expressio than elaborate intellectual architecture. > Hendrix got really extreme at putting on a show as a way to get some where > in the music biz, and it worked but after he made it he felt trapped in that > freakshow role.He said in interveiws he wished people could just close their > eye and let the music take them. > > _________________________________________________________________ > PC Magazine’s 2007 editors’ choice for best Web mail—award-winning Windows > Live Hotmail. > http://imagine-windowslive.com/hotmail/?locale=en-us&ocid=TXT_TAGHM_migration_HM > _mini_pcmag_0507 > --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_18364_1181844422_0 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Would he smash his laptop? Cause that would be cool.

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>
> Hendrix was a very important part of my life,I saw him more than once
> first time at age 13. But I must say speculation about what he would ,and
> would not have used if he were alive seems kinda silly to me. Some think he
> used whatever was cutting edge,perhaps so but his use of chords and
> knowledge of theory don't seem to reflect that at all,his harmony knowlegde
> was pretty basic,nowhere near the cutting edge.Of course he went beyond
> edges all together with pure soud explorations.Hard to put in a neat box.
> Miles is known to have been on various cutting edges alll his life,but did
> his actual playing do that? I would say not,his compsotion,arragement
> presentation did,though often by drawing on what was happening elsewhere (
> notably imitating Hendrix,and SLy)and adding it to 'serious' jazz .His chops
> and articulation didn't really stay on the cutting edge after his pioneering
> use of electronics. Hendrix when he died was already getting bypassed in
> terms of technique by fusionoid stuff that was a response to his
> trailblazing. Maybe he would've woodshedded his modes and started dropping
> in extreme substitutions- who knows. Thye laptop doesn;'t seem kinetic
> enough a performace tool though,eve i the studion he was more iterested in
> live expressio than elaborate intellectual architecture.
> Hendrix got really extreme at putting on a show as a way to get some where
> in the music biz, and it worked but after he made it he felt trapped in that
> freakshow role.He said in interveiws he wished people could just close their
> eye and let the music take them.
>
> _______________ __________________________________________________
> PC Magazine’s 2007 editors’ choice for best Web mail—award-winning Windows
> Live Hotmail.
> http://imagine-windowslive.com/hotmail/?locale=en-us&ocid=TXT_TAGHM_migration_HM
> _mini_pcmag_0507
>
--NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_18364_1181844422_0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 14 18:09:56 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 86F5C3BF5D; Thu, 14 Jun 2007 18:09:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <0ddc01c7aeaf$35cff740$6401a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <061420071807.18364.467183C60001BDF4000047BC2216527966020A050C07080C0B0A079D00070B0703@comcast.net> Subject: Re: Laptops Hendrix Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 12:09:53 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0DD7_01C7AE7C.EA3DE0D0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Resent-Message-ID: <_YKikB.A.7xB.0RYcGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71165 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 18:09:56 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0DD7_01C7AE7C.EA3DE0D0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable or light it on fire with ligher fluid....or hit keys with his teeth, = etc. ----- Original Message -----=20 Would he smash his laptop? Cause that would be cool.=20 -------------- Original message --------------=20 From: "samba - >=20 > Hendrix was a very important part of my life,I saw him more than = once=20 > first time at age 13. But I must say speculation about what he = would ,and=20 > would not have used if he were alive seems kinda silly to me. Some = think he=20 > used whatever was cutting edge,perhaps so but his use of chords = and=20 > knowledge of theory don't seem to reflect that at all,his harmony = knowlegde=20 > was pretty basic,nowhere near the cutting edge.Of course he went = beyond=20 > edges all together with pure soud explorations.Hard to put in a = neat box.=20 > Miles is known to have been on various cutting edges alll his = life,but did=20 > his actual playing do that? I would say not,his = compsotion,arragement=20 > presentation did,though often by drawing on what was happening = elsewhere (=20 > notably imitating Hendrix,and SLy)and adding it to 'serious' jazz = .His chops=20 > and articulation didn't really stay on the cutting edge after his = pioneering=20 > use of electronics. Hendrix when he died was already getting = bypassed in=20 > terms of technique by fusionoid stuff that was a response to his=20 > trailblazing. Maybe he would've woodshedded his modes and started = dropping=20 > in extreme substitutions- who knows. Thye laptop doesn;'t seem = kinetic=20 > enough a performace tool though,eve i the studion he was more = iterested in=20 > live expressio than elaborate intellectual architecture.=20 > Hendrix got really extreme at putting on a show as a way to get = some where=20 > in the music biz, and it worked but after he made it he felt = trapped in that=20 > freakshow role.He said in interveiws he wished people could just = close their=20 > eye and let the music take them.=20 >=20 > _______________ __________________________________________________ = > PC Magazine's 2007 editors' choice for best Web mail-award-winning = Windows=20 > Live Hotmail.=20 > = http://imagine-windowslive.com/hotmail/?locale=3Den-us&ocid=3DTXT_TAGHM_m= igration_HM=20 > _mini_pcmag_0507=20 > ------=_NextPart_000_0DD7_01C7AE7C.EA3DE0D0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
or light it on fire with ligher = fluid....or hit=20 keys with his teeth, etc.

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Would he smash his laptop? Cause that would be cool.

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> =
>=20 Hendrix was a very important part of my life,I saw him more than = once=20
> first time at age 13. But I must say speculation about what = he=20 would ,and
> would not have used if he were alive seems kinda = silly=20 to me. Some think he
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> knowledge of theory don't seem to = reflect=20 that at all,his harmony knowlegde
> was pretty basic,nowhere = near the=20 cutting edge.Of course he went beyond
> edges all together = with pure=20 soud explorations.Hard to put in a neat box.
> Miles is known = to have=20 been on various cutting edges alll his life,but did
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>=20 presentation did,though often by drawing on what was happening = elsewhere (=20
> notably imitating Hendrix,and SLy)and adding it to = 'serious' jazz=20 .His chops
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> use of electronics. Hendrix when he = died was=20 already getting bypassed in
> terms of technique by fusionoid = stuff=20 that was a response to his
> trailblazing. Maybe he would've=20 woodshedded his modes and started dropping
> in extreme=20 substitutions- who knows. Thye laptop doesn;'t seem kinetic
> = enough=20 a performace tool though,eve i the studion he was more iterested in =
>=20 live expressio than elaborate intellectual architecture.
> = Hendrix=20 got really extreme at putting on a show as a way to get some where =
>=20 in the music biz, and it worked but after he made it he felt trapped = in that=20
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> = ------=_NextPart_000_0DD7_01C7AE7C.EA3DE0D0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 14 18:10:31 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 658253BF99; Thu, 14 Jun 2007 18:10:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <28880268.1181844630674.JavaMail.root@web32> Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 11:10:30 -0700 From: Paul Richards To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Case against laptops Cc: Krispen Hartung MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Sensitivity: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <8TtVFD.A.s8B.XSYcGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71166 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 18:10:31 +0000 (UTC) Would Hendrix have used a Behringer FCB1010 to control the software? That would be rich. Seriously, what ARE people using to control the software running on laptops (i.e. Mobius, et al)? FCB1010's? -- Paul ---- Krispen Hartung wrote: > In a message dated 6/14/2007 6:34:43 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, goddard.duncan@mtvne.com writes: > > can you imagine hendrix ever having become immortal from behind a laptop? case closed > > yes. case re-opened. > > Kris From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 14 18:15:06 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D635B3BF9D; Thu, 14 Jun 2007 18:15:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4440.167.83.10.20.1181844896.squirrel@www.michaelplishka.com> In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 14:14:56 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: Laptops Hendrix From: mike@michaelplishka.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.9a MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - server316.tchmachines.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [32166 32167] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - michaelplishka.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71167 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 18:15:05 +0000 (UTC) I was typing a response that was very similar to this when this came across. I totally concur especially with regards to the kinetic aspect. Now, if he had a sound table synthesizer that he moved his hands around, put things on to, set fire to, he would be happy making the music and sounds and the people, though many would enjoy his spectacle, they could close their eyes and be bathed in the sound which this wildy gesturing man was creating amidst flashing lights and smoke... > > Hendrix was a very important part of my life,I saw him more than once > first time at age 13. But I must say speculation about what he would ,and > would not have used if he were alive seems kinda silly to me. Some think > he > used whatever was cutting edge,perhaps so but his use of chords and > knowledge of theory don't seem to reflect that at all,his harmony > knowlegde > was pretty basic,nowhere near the cutting edge.Of course he went beyond > edges all together with pure soud explorations.Hard to put in a neat box. > Miles is known to have been on various cutting edges alll his life,but did > his actual playing do that? I would say not,his compsotion,arragement > presentation did,though often by drawing on what was happening elsewhere ( > notably imitating Hendrix,and SLy)and adding it to 'serious' jazz .His > chops > and articulation didn't really stay on the cutting edge after his > pioneering > use of electronics. Hendrix when he died was already getting bypassed in > terms of technique by fusionoid stuff that was a response to his > trailblazing. Maybe he would've woodshedded his modes and started > dropping > in extreme substitutions- who knows. Thye laptop doesn;'t seem kinetic > enough a performace tool though,eve i the studion he was more iterested in > live expressio than elaborate intellectual architecture. > Hendrix got really extreme at putting on a show as a way to get some > where > in the music biz, and it worked but after he made it he felt trapped in > that > freakshow role.He said in interveiws he wished people could just close > their > eye and let the music take them. > > _________________________________________________________________ > PC Magazine’s 2007 editors’ choice for best Web mail—award-winning Windows > Live Hotmail. > http://imagine-windowslive.com/hotmail/?locale=en-us&ocid=TXT_TAGHM_migration_HM_mini_pcmag_0507 > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 14 18:17:26 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0125D3BF92; Thu, 14 Jun 2007 18:17:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <0dec01c7aeb0$414e8310$6401a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <28880268.1181844630674.JavaMail.root@web32> Subject: Re: Case against laptops Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 12:17:22 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="UTF-8"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71168 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 18:17:25 +0000 (UTC) FCB1010 for me. I turn max patches on and off with program changes, control my max looper with program changes, and control max patch/effect parameters with both the FCB expression pedals. I've searched for a smaller solution that does the same thing (same # of buttons and two expression pedals), but just can't find one. If I could cut the size of the FCB down by 1/3, I'd be content. For now, it's an anchor that I just can't live without. K- ----- Original Message ----- > Would Hendrix have used a Behringer FCB1010 to control the software? That > would be rich. > > Seriously, what ARE people using to control the software running on > laptops (i.e. Mobius, et al)? FCB1010's? > > -- > Paul From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 14 18:20:11 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2E3DA3BFA6; Thu, 14 Jun 2007 18:20:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=LuWcTOsE0jTO1LDImRK0FGVIIExfa5g76TQWMqw05mxx8OwdRHqdZ7WXXnSyBDhfMkxxmw4m+Wu9iDc6tnQDzhdGAigwUC/p+m1klbBn0KJcM6iLzThjOlKCYYGD8jTslm74xUSvbI71gneLQ0/l7PzDprtTgLtMxsnVES+v8yk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=GlZg34bUxEEzhcJise4ZQlWzJY9rbtBul6fBkJxkFm8i6i9HvVx/w4r8koj/b4ed1xHI/8lPSYpuCaonUTqaPG/V69pmZgOLqbwQejA2QD/enA/6JVecGzPU2ORSIFqJWny4159bRnzDQ6WotcpK9sZJnYB1+mXlodY86Zj4MW0= Message-ID: Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 11:20:09 -0700 From: "Travis Hartnett" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Laptops In-Reply-To: <0dc901c7aeae$8e084e40$6401a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <0dc901c7aeae$8e084e40$6401a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71169 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 18:20:11 +0000 (UTC) I prefer to watch someone boring play guitar, piano, bass, drums, or sing while staring at their shoes versus someone typing at a computer. For me, typing and mousing hold zero visual interest. I'll watch a video of Glenn Gould playing, with the sound muted, but there's no way I'm watching a laptop battle under the same circumstances. If the musician in question has a traditional instrument feeding a laptop, that's different, although watching someone play guitar (or whatever) while they stare at a laptop screen is usually less satisfying to me than just watching them play guitar. It always feels like a barrier between the performer and me when they focus on the screen. I saw a full band recently that had a lot of things being triggered off a lap top...which was dead center on the stage, on a keyboard stand in front of the bassist/keyboardist. I found it's placement to be quite distracting, despite how good the music was. TH On 6/14/07, Krispen Hartung wrote: > [not addressing Travis specifically, but just the general group] > > To be fair here, we could also point out that there are musicians who > standup and use hardware that can come across > just as "uninteresting" as some sit-down laptop users. What's more > "uninteresting", watching a laptop musician check > his email all night, or a stand-up guitarist checking the time on his wrist > watch all night? I'm sure it varies by observer, From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 14 18:20:42 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5A4E03BFAC; Thu, 14 Jun 2007 18:20:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=CCNlaaCqI/vT51FWyMXbxsIckq9IgzCdxyr9GslATjpUHxfxsxrFI0y8g9xwLUEL+VQ5Udu50dY6Z/laAly2CjoFcbjrcM1EZ0mVQbS0S1EMA7UZ8xIBk4XpVlnI/LmwTXjJDr+sQxOHAp02TDsFPKd16KEM1uKMlHmFpjvOcuI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=PKNUh7uCIBJ95oQDakq/NdJe9Ya/l2cD9OibG/6SYnHp7TO01UXNOXuUIqun0mZbqwtDjLJgOn40zk8F33xl1P/oIT34uoSYw68dZ7dHjDARTDn7yaHPBOn2Nze/cZOqVLarfccKVBosP+yu9TrcEEGIJA3fZb6jI6wcL6/kRZI= Message-ID: <4759e5740706141120s7deb87atf78fa0bba2f5e9dd@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 14:20:40 -0400 From: "todd reynolds" Reply-To: todd@toddreynolds.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Laptops In-Reply-To: <0dc901c7aeae$8e084e40$6401a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_8515_2710052.1181845240104" References: <0dc901c7aeae$8e084e40$6401a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71170 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 18:20:42 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_8515_2710052.1181845240104 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline well, as I see it, we've covered these six types of musicians... 1. Those who use a laptop and who aren't boring... 2. Those who use a laptop and who bore us to tears. 3. Those who use hardware only and who aren't boring. 4. Those who use hardware only and the blinking lights don't save us from the boredom. 5. Those who use a hard and soft ware combination and who are interesting to watch therefore avoiding the boring thing, but who sometimes have to look at their laptop anyway but not so much that it would bug you . 6. Those who use a soft and hard ware combination and fall into the same boring trap of the other boring folks... Does that cover it now? Given that there is at least one from each group on this list, or if not, in the universe, and given that there are enough strong and disparate viewpoints to go with each person on the list, and given that on any given night, any of us might feel differently about one of those people's performance and technique depending on what we ate for dinner, and finally, having the impression that the best situation here lies in the paradoxical meeting of it all... i feel the lines starting to blur... I know I'm a buddhist, and a californian, but if I say "s'all good" will y'all laugh at me? For the record, I belong to club number 5. (could you tell?) And I concur with Krispen, and half of what everyone else has said... todd On 6/14/07, Krispen Hartung wrote: > > [not addressing Travis specifically, but just the general group] > > To be fair here, we could also point out that there are musicians who > standup and use hardware that can come across > just as "uninteresting" as some sit-down laptop users. What's more > "uninteresting", watching a laptop musician check > his email all night, or a stand-up guitarist checking the time on his > wrist > watch all night? I'm sure it varies by observer, > but the point is that what does the laptop have to do with any of this as > a > general rule? Nothing that I can see, as I can > easily imagine a counter-example that involves the laptop, or a similar > example that doesn't involve the laptop. I believe > counter-examples still cary some weight these days in the world of reason > correct? So we factor the gear out of the > equation and limit the discussion to the individual behavior of the > performer and the subjective resonse of the viewer. > Eveything in between these two things seems to be incidental. > > Kris > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Travis Hartnett" < > > >> As an audience member, I prefer that I be able to easily tell the > >> difference between the performing musician and someone checking their > >> email while the output of their iTunes is pumped through the PA. > >> > >> All the laptop performances I've seen have featured a musician who > >> stares at the computer most of the time. I know there's exceptions, > >> but this has been my experience. > >> > >> TH > > > -- http://www.toddreynolds.com |: http://myspace.com/toddreynoldsmusic |: ------------------------------------------------------|: 917.576.6166 todd@toddreynolds.com toddreyn@gmail.com ------=_Part_8515_2710052.1181845240104 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline well, as I see it, we've covered these six types of musicians...

1. Those who use a laptop and who aren't boring...
2. Those who use a laptop and who bore us to tears.
3. Those who use hardware only and who aren't boring.
4. Those who use hardware only and the blinking lights don't save us from the boredom.
5. Those who use a hard and soft ware combination and who are interesting to watch therefore avoiding the boring thing, but who sometimes have to look at their laptop anyway but not so much that it would bug you .
6. Those who use a soft and hard ware combination and fall into the same boring trap of the other boring folks...

Does that cover it now? Given that there is at least one from each group on this list, or if not, in the universe, and given that there are enough strong and disparate viewpoints to go with each person on the list, and given that on any given night, any of us might feel differently about one of those people's performance and technique depending on what we ate for dinner, and finally, having the impression that the best situation here lies in the paradoxical meeting of it all... i feel the lines starting to blur...

I know I'm a buddhist, and a californian, but if I say "s'all good" will y'all laugh at me?

For the record, I belong to club number 5. (could you tell?)

And I concur with Krispen, and half of what everyone else has said...

todd

On 6/14/07, Krispen Hartung <khartung@cableone.net> wrote:
[not addressing Travis specifically, but just the general group]

To be fair here, we could also point out that there are musicians who
standup and use hardware that can come across
just as "uninteresting" as some sit-down laptop users.  What's more
"uninteresting", watching a laptop musician check
his email all night, or a stand-up guitarist checking the time on his wrist
watch all night? I'm sure it varies by observer,
but the point is that what does the laptop have to do with any of this as a
general rule? Nothing that I can see, as I can
easily imagine a counter-example that involves the laptop, or a similar
example that doesn't involve the laptop. I believe
counter-examples still cary some weight these days in the world of reason
correct? So we factor the gear out of the
equation and limit the discussion to the individual behavior of the
performer and the subjective resonse of the viewer.
Eveything in between these two things seems to be incidental.

Kris

> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Travis Hartnett" <

>> As an audience member, I prefer that I be able to easily tell the
>> difference between the performing musician and someone checking their
>> email while the output of their iTunes is pumped through the PA.
>>
>> All the laptop performances I've seen have featured a musician who
>> stares at the computer most of the time.  I know there's exceptions,
>> but this has been my experience.
>>
>> TH

--
http://www.toddreynolds.com                    |:
http://myspace.com/toddreynoldsmusic  |:
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917.576.6166
todd@toddreynolds.com
toddreyn@gmail.com ------=_Part_8515_2710052.1181845240104-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 14 18:23:06 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C047F3BF07; Thu, 14 Jun 2007 18:23:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <20070614072735.4owyok3pnos4kwog@69.89.21.76> References: <4cf76a0b0706132225n7ef67bc2t493e320e91e26b58@mail.gmail.com> <1BB076E4C332F9469148F41725F17A7203BE4152@MTVNE-EXCLUST02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> <20070614072735.4owyok3pnos4kwog@69.89.21.76> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-11--472763128 Message-Id: From: Rev Fever Subject: Re: Case against laptops Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 11:23:03 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71171 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 18:23:06 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-11--472763128 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed On Jun 14, 2007, at 5:27 AM, kkissinger@kevinkissinger.com wrote: > Quoting "Goddard, Duncan" : > > I don't worry about what is "proper" music. I just do my thing and > utilize the equipment at my disposal to the best of my ability. I concur. Same here with myself. I also do not give a rat's rear end about what is supposed to be "proper" music and what are the "best" things to use. It is all individually a personal perception and "beauty is in the ears of the beholder", etc etc, blah blah blah. I have worked for many years purely on intuition (no musical training whatsoever) and even "accidents", along with what is at my disposal. Works fine for me. ELEMENTAL CDs are available. :-) Speaking of such, just last night, I brought my old Multivox Multi- Echo back into the "loop" (pun intended) in my studio after an absence of FIFTEEN YEARS. Oh man! Welcome BACK, baby! Nothing quite like variable speeds-looping and multi-layering the sequences from my 2 "old" ARP sequencers, along with other pleasant inputs, both analogue and digital. (AND...?) Ahhhh.....! Best, -Rev. Fever PS- No laptop, either. But my Mac mini fills in that "gap", whenever needed. :-) PPS- Samba said: 'Miles is known to have been on various cutting edges all his life,' BTW, loops were used on Bitches Brew as another ingredient in the over all "brew". (Oops! Another pun! Sorry! ) And of course, some of the earlier godfathers of loops were Roedelius and Moebius on their earlier Cluster albums, along with the works of Steve Reich, and some other artists. It has always been one big long endless loopy horizon.... --Apple-Mail-11--472763128 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1
On Jun 14, 2007, = at 5:27 AM, kkissinger@kevinkissinger.co= m wrote:

Quoting "Goddard, Duncan" <goddard.duncan@mtvne.com>:=

I don't worry about what is "proper" music.=A0 I just do my thing and = utilize the equipment at my disposal to the best of my = ability.

I concur.=A0 Same here with = myself.=A0 I also do not give a rat's rear end about what is supposed to = be "proper" music and what are the "best" things to use.=A0
It = is all individually a personal perception and "beauty is in the ears of = the beholder", etc etc, blah blah blah.=A0=A0
I have worked = for many years purely on intuition (no musical training whatsoever) and = even "accidents", along with what is at my disposal.=A0 =A0Works fine = for me.=A0
ELEMENTAL CDs are available. :-)

Speaking of such, just last = night, I brought my old Multivox Multi-Echo back into the "loop" (pun = intended) in my studio after an absence of FIFTEEN YEARS.
Oh = man!=A0 =A0Welcome BACK, baby!=A0=A0

Nothing quite like variable = speeds-looping and multi-layering the sequences from my 2 "old" ARP = sequencers, along with other pleasant inputs, both analogue and digital. = (AND...?)
Ahhhh.....!

Best,
-Rev. = Fever

PS- No = laptop, either.=A0 But my Mac mini fills in that "gap", whenever = needed.=A0 :-)

PPS- Samba = said:
'Miles is known to have been on various cutting edges = all his life,'

BTW, loops were used on = Bitches Brew as another ingredient in the over all "brew". (Oops! = Another pun! Sorry! )

And of course, some of the = earlier godfathers of loops were Roedelius and Moebius on their earlier = Cluster albums,=A0
along with the works of Steve Reich, and = some other artists.=A0 It has always been one big long endless loopy = horizon....

= --Apple-Mail-11--472763128-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 14 18:23:37 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0F4363BF6E; Thu, 14 Jun 2007 18:23:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <00c601c7aeb0$eea86940$0207a8c0@eluk1> From: "Stephen Goodman" To: References: Subject: Re: Laptops Hendrix Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 19:22:05 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="Windows-1252"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: <-qS0-.A.TLD.oeYcGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71172 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 18:23:37 +0000 (UTC) From: "samba -" : > > Hendrix was a very important part of my life,I saw him more than once > first time at age 13. But I must say speculation about what he would ,and > would not have used if he were alive seems kinda silly to me. Some think > he used whatever was cutting edge,perhaps so but his use of chords and > knowledge of theory don't seem to reflect that at all,his harmony > knowlegde was pretty basic,nowhere near the cutting edge.Of course he went > beyond edges all together with pure soud explorations.Hard to put in a > neat box. Miles is known to have been on various cutting edges alll his > life,but did his actual playing do that? I would say not,his > compsotion,arragement presentation did,though often by drawing on what was > happening elsewhere ( notably imitating Hendrix,and SLy)and adding it to > 'serious' jazz .His chops and articulation didn't really stay on the > cutting edge after his pioneering use of electronics. Hendrix when he > died was already getting bypassed in terms of technique by fusionoid stuff > that was a response to his trailblazing. Maybe he would've woodshedded his > modes and started dropping in extreme substitutions- who knows. Thye > laptop doesn;'t seem kinetic enough a performace tool though,eve i the > studion he was more iterested in live expressio than elaborate > intellectual architecture. > Hendrix got really extreme at putting on a show as a way to get some > where in the music biz, and it worked but after he made it he felt trapped > in that freakshow role.He said in interveiws he wished people could just > close their eye and let the music take them. Cool! I remember a friend of mine whose brother was at the infamous Roosevelt Stadium concert; while we all knew the sad news about MLK the next morning in school, what I recall my friend saying about the concert: "He had TEN THOUSAND WATTS!" How times have changed. Actually after all of this thread's existence, I can indeed imagine Hendrix using a laptop - one of those Sony's that lit itself on fire... Perhaps some Photoshop is in order. :) Stephen Goodman * * Cartoons about DVDs and Stuff * http://www.earthlight.net/HiddenTrack * The Loop Of The Week since 1996! * http://www.earthlight.net/Studios From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 14 18:24:24 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 325083BF79; Thu, 14 Jun 2007 18:24:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=Fa3hW57KRzpEhGs6Y/8QYH/hZ9YQKoWWOWViOU1SetBKdIv+wLTL6HYpCRqjqILZumN4y/M5N/OlR5pfH0DD9k+yTlIcYOW6lbwFhiXA4C9eRouzT5PIZwFX6YAR2Jz0cHTSDHU5B9Nm6JSB7d5/KN1qnCAb50A5meGd091U8SY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=d0fsU1Kv+5Q6cMMokGWKJIzybiyIXddXbGVcN0wybwllhu7n6f4eTkczU6Von9myc6CouHN+YjFvlwFapz5hBSOQHhxMb3tKrA84mlXIx/akiRU4RoaaJaWrozc9jhS5iBwZT98Q4krVhPqtkZAGMcISN/jLiiBujDSuy90z7CU= Message-ID: <4759e5740706141124r66c8ce5fne0c3fbec821e3de5@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 14:24:20 -0400 From: "todd reynolds" Reply-To: todd@toddreynolds.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Case against laptops In-Reply-To: <0dec01c7aeb0$414e8310$6401a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_8547_29891942.1181845460986" References: <28880268.1181844630674.JavaMail.root@web32> <0dec01c7aeb0$414e8310$6401a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> Resent-Message-ID: <82C0wB.A.6RD.XfYcGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71173 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 18:24:24 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_8547_29891942.1181845460986 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline FCB1010 for me as well. I control Ableton Live, SooperLooper, and sometimes Max/MSP with it... controlling on and offs, and fader and parameter information in realtime... I'm a violinist, so i can't use my hands. the footpedal is a godsend... until i can get those laser sensors working... For the record, I'm working with a team on a new type of footpedal which will augment or replace my fcb1010. Imagine standing on two footprints.. the left one depresses switches when you lean, the right one functions as a pressure sensitive continuous controller as you lean forward and backward. but more about that as development continues.it's really in infant stage. t. On 6/14/07, Krispen Hartung wrote: > > FCB1010 for me. I turn max patches on and off with program changes, > control > my max looper with program changes, and control max patch/effect > parameters > with both the FCB expression pedals. I've searched for a smaller solution > that does the same thing (same # of buttons and two expression pedals), > but > just can't find one. If I could cut the size of the FCB down by 1/3, I'd > be > content. For now, it's an anchor that I just can't live without. > > K- > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > Would Hendrix have used a Behringer FCB1010 to control the software? > That > > would be rich. > > > > Seriously, what ARE people using to control the software running on > > laptops (i.e. Mobius, et al)? FCB1010's? > > > > -- > > Paul > > > -- http://www.toddreynolds.com |: http://myspace.com/toddreynoldsmusic |: ------------------------------------------------------|: 917.576.6166 todd@toddreynolds.com toddreyn@gmail.com ------=_Part_8547_29891942.1181845460986 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline FCB1010 for me as well. I control Ableton Live, SooperLooper, and sometimes Max/MSP with it... controlling on and offs, and fader and parameter information in realtime... I'm a violinist, so i can't use my hands. the footpedal is a godsend... until i can get those laser sensors working...

For the record, I'm working with a team on a new type of footpedal which will augment or replace my fcb1010. Imagine standing on two footprints.. the left one depresses switches when you lean, the right one functions as a pressure sensitive continuous controller as you lean forward and backward.

but more about that as development continues.it's really in infant stage.

t.

On 6/14/07, Krispen Hartung <khartung@cableone.net> wrote:
FCB1010 for me. I turn max patches on and off with program changes, control
my max looper with program changes, and control max patch/effect parameters
with both the FCB expression pedals. I've searched for a smaller solution
that does the same thing (same # of buttons and two expression pedals), but
just can't find one. If I could cut the size of the FCB down by 1/3, I'd be
content. For now, it's an anchor that I just can't live without.

K-
----- Original Message -----

> Would Hendrix have used a Behringer FCB1010 to control the software? That
> would be rich.
>
> Seriously, what ARE people using to control the software running on
> laptops (i.e. Mobius, et al)? FCB1010's?
>
> --
> Paul

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toddreyn@gmail.com ------=_Part_8547_29891942.1181845460986-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 14 18:24:47 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A2E433BF7F; Thu, 14 Jun 2007 18:24:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <20070614145111.300E13BF60@arsenic.violacea.com> Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 14:24:13 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Mech Subject: Re: Laptops and Performance Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <4uKShD.A.caD.vfYcGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71174 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 18:24:47 +0000 (UTC) At 10:46 AM -0700 6/14/07, Travis Hartnett wrote: > >All the laptop performances I've seen have featured a musician who >stares at the computer most of the time. I know there's exceptions, >but this has been my experience. FWIW, this has been my experience with the majority of electronic performances regardless of whether they used a laptop. I've been to plenty of concerts that featured only keyboardists/synthesists that were just as snoozefestival as any laptop performances. Guys, it's not the laptop or the rack unit. It's the *interface* to the laptop or rack, and how that is used. If that interface is a computer keyboard and a mouse, most likely you won't be able to tell the difference whether the guy is playing music or checking his email. Likewise, imagine a hypothetical where somebody takes the hum produced by grounding out a 1/4" cable with your finger, for instance, then runs that through an Eventide and plays with the processing for 20 minutes. I'm betting that such a setup doesn't lend itself to an interesting performance either. I think it's the bane of stationary things. Keyboards are generally large and stationary, and don't lend themselves natively to interesting performances (setting them alight or sticking knives between the keys notwithstanding). Hell, that's why they came up with the Keytar in the first place, eh? A laptop can be as interesting or as boring as a rack. You want a more interesting performance, find a way to move around. That can be by plugging an interesting interface into it, or strapping the darn thing around your neck, or jumping up and down like a monkey while you hit the buttons, or.... you can come up with plenty of other examples I'm sure. Relatedly, this brings up another point. We tacitly assume that while performing, *we* should be the center of the audience's attention. Why? Is it merely our egos that demand the audience has to sit riveted to our every move? A previous post mentioned playing dance music, and this is an excellent example. Why not disappear behind the DJ booth and let the music speak for itself? Art Gallery openings are another good example, as well as any sort of installation performance where the performer is seen, but is not the focus of attention. I'd agree that if an audience pays good money for a "traditional" performance, they should most likely get what they pay for. However, it's also perfectly viable to "erase" yourself from the performance and let the music itself be the center of attention, IMNSHO. --m. -- _____ "I want to keep you alive so there is always the possibility of murder... later" From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 14 18:24:51 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 21EDE3BFAA; Thu, 14 Jun 2007 18:24:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <6A41CA05-3E70-4683-B448-1790B2FE71FE@zoekeating.com> References: <6A41CA05-3E70-4683-B448-1790B2FE71FE@zoekeating.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <659EE2E9-4ACC-4819-AC7A-9655D1680BBD@midway.uchicago.edu> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Jeff Shirkey Subject: Re: looping (w/ laptop ;-) ) on TV Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 13:26:37 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71175 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 18:24:51 +0000 (UTC) On Jun 14, 2007, at 12:51 PM, Zoe Keating wrote: > my looping segment on CBS13 is online for your viewing pleasure. Beautiful. And the music was wonderful, too! ;) Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 14 18:26:54 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 443C73BF7C; Thu, 14 Jun 2007 18:26:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <061420071807.18364.467183C60001BDF4000047BC2216527966020A050C07080C0B0A079D00070B0703@comcast.net> References: <061420071807.18364.467183C60001BDF4000047BC2216527966020A050C07080C0B0A079D00070B0703@comcast.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Rev Fever Subject: Re: Laptops Hendrix Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 11:26:51 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71176 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 18:26:54 +0000 (UTC) On Jun 14, 2007, at 11:07 AM, midifriedchicken@comcast.net wrote: > Would he smash his laptop? Cause that would be cool. Indeed. But, no burning though. Our air is bad enough as it is. :-) And today, not entirely cost prohibitive either, since older laps can =20= be purchased for relatively cheap. Maybe even a tax write off too, as a "performance expense"? OK. I =20 will stop now...:-) -Rev. Fever > > -------------- Original message -------------- > From: "samba -" > > > > > Hendrix was a very important part of my life,I saw him more than =20 > once > > first time at age 13. But I must say speculation about what he =20 > would ,and > > would not have used if he were alive seems kinda silly to me. =20 > Some think he > > used whatever was cutting edge,perhaps so but his use of chords and > > knowledge of theory don't seem to reflect that at all,his harmony =20= > knowlegde > > was pretty basic,nowhere near the cutting edge.Of course he went =20 > beyond > > edges all together with pure soud explorations.Hard to put in a =20 > neat box. > > Miles is known to have been on various cutting edges alll his =20 > life,but did > > his actual playing do that? I would say not,his =20 > compsotion,arragement > > presentation did,though often by drawing on what was happening =20 > elsewhere ( > > notably imitating Hendrix,and SLy)and adding it to 'serious' =20 > jazz .His chops > > and articulation didn't really stay on the cutting edge after his =20= > pioneering > > use of electronics. Hendrix when he died was already getting =20 > bypassed in > > terms of technique by fusionoid stuff that was a response to his > > trailblazing. Maybe he would've woodshedded his modes and started =20= > dropping > > in extreme substitutions- who knows. Thye laptop doesn;'t seem =20 > kinetic > > enough a performace tool though,eve i the studion he was more =20 > iterested in > > live expressio than elaborate intellectual architecture. > > Hendrix got really extreme at putting on a show as a way to get =20 > some where > > in the music biz, and it worked but after he made it he felt =20 > trapped in that > > freakshow role.He said in interveiws he wished people could just =20 > close their > > eye and let the music take them. > > > > _______________ __________________________________________________ > > PC Magazine=92s 2007 editors=92 choice for best Web mail=97award-=20 > winning Windows > > Live Hotmail. > > http://imagine-windowslive.com/hotmail/?locale=3Den-=20 > us&ocid=3DTXT_TAGHM_migration_HM > > _mini_pcmag_0507 > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 14 18:27:40 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 14A413BFB1; Thu, 14 Jun 2007 18:27:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: midifriedchicken@comcast.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Laptops Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 18:27:38 +0000 Message-Id: <061420071827.989.4671889A000A67DF000003DD2216527966020A050C07080C0B0A079D00070B0703@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Oct 4 2006) X-Authenticated-Sender: bWlkaWZyaWVkY2hpY2tlbkBjb21jYXN0Lm5ldA== MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_989_1181845658_0" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71177 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 18:27:40 +0000 (UTC) --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_989_1181845658_0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit It seems it depends on the genre, audience, venue etc. There are some top DJs that command huge fees, play to massive crowds and have very succesful careers playing laptops. Crowds love 'em, Girls Blow 'em, and all the while they are simply tapping away at a mac. Go figure. -------------- Original message -------------- From: "Travis Hartnett" > I prefer to watch someone boring play guitar, piano, bass, drums, or > sing while staring at their shoes versus someone typing at a computer. > For me, typing and mousing hold zero visual interest. I'll watch a > video of Glenn Gould playing, with the sound muted, but there's no way > I'm watching a laptop battle under the same circumstances. > > If the musician in question has a traditional instrument feeding a > laptop, that's different, although watching someone play guitar (or > whatever) while they stare at a laptop screen is usually less > satisfying to me than just watching them play guitar. It always feels > like a barrier between the performer and me when they focus on the > screen. I saw a full band recently that had a lot of things being > triggered off a lap top...which was dead center on the stage, on a > keyboard stand in front of the bassist/keyboardist. I found it's > placement to be quite distracting, despite how good the music was. > > TH > > On 6/14/07, Krispen Hartung wrote: > > [not addressing Travis specifically, but just the general group] > > > > To be fair here, we could also point out that there are musicians who > > standup and use hardware that can come across > > just as "uninteresting" as some sit-down laptop users. What's more > > "uninteresting", watching a laptop musician check > > his email all night, or a stand-up guitarist checking the time on his wrist > > watch all night? I'm sure it varies by observer, > --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_989_1181845658_0 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
It seems it depends on the genre, audience, venue etc. There are some top DJs that command huge fees, play to massive crowds and have very succesful careers playing laptops. Crowds love 'em, Girls Blow 'em, and all the while they are simply tapping away at a mac. Go figure.

-------------- Original message --------------
From: "Travis Hartnett" <travishartnett@gmail.com>

> I prefer to watch someone boring play guitar, piano, bass, drums, or
> sing while staring at their shoes versus someone typing at a computer.
> For me, typing and mousing hold zero visual interest. I'll watch a
> video of Glenn Gould playing, with the sound muted, but there's no way
> I'm watching a laptop battle under the same circumstances.
>
> If the musician in question has a traditional instrument feeding a
> laptop, that's different, although watching someone play guitar (or
> whatever) while they stare at a laptop screen is usually less
> satisfying to me than just watching them play guitar. It always feels
> like a barrier between the performer and me when they focus on the
> screen. I saw a f ull band recently that had a lot of things being
> triggered off a lap top...which was dead center on the stage, on a
> keyboard stand in front of the bassist/keyboardist. I found it's
> placement to be quite distracting, despite how good the music was.
>
> TH
>
> On 6/14/07, Krispen Hartung wrote:
> > [not addressing Travis specifically, but just the general group]
> >
> > To be fair here, we could also point out that there are musicians who
> > standup and use hardware that can come across
> > just as "uninteresting" as some sit-down laptop users. What's more
> > "uninteresting", watching a laptop musician check
> > his email all night, or a stand-up guitarist checking the time on his wrist
> > watch all night? I'm sure it varies by observer,
>
--NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_989_1181845658_0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 14 18:27:51 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CB4233BFA0; Thu, 14 Jun 2007 18:27:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <0e0201c7aeb1$b6ca3ca0$6401a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <0dc901c7aeae$8e084e40$6401a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> <4759e5740706141120s7deb87atf78fa0bba2f5e9dd@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: Laptops Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 12:27:48 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0DFF_01C7AE7F.6B618020" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71178 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 18:27:51 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0DFF_01C7AE7F.6B618020 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I love this. It depicts so much of the threads that occur in=20 this group. We are all masters at finding the most complicated=20 and contentious ways to say simply that anything goes and there=20 are exceptions to every rule (except this one :)). All fragments of ice floating in the sea of Brahman.=20 K- ----- Original Message -----=20 well, as I see it, we've covered these six types of musicians...=20 1. Those who use a laptop and who aren't boring...=20 2. Those who use a laptop and who bore us to tears. 3. Those who use hardware only and who aren't boring.=20 4. Those who use hardware only and the blinking lights don't save us = from the boredom. 5. Those who use a hard and soft ware combination and who are = interesting to watch therefore avoiding the boring thing, but who = sometimes have to look at their laptop anyway but not so much that it = would bug you .=20 6. Those who use a soft and hard ware combination and fall into the = same boring trap of the other boring folks...=20 Does that cover it now? Given that there is at least one from each = group on this list, or if not, in the universe, and given that there are = enough strong and disparate viewpoints to go with each person on the = list, and given that on any given night, any of us might feel = differently about one of those people's performance and technique = depending on what we ate for dinner, and finally, having the impression = that the best situation here lies in the paradoxical meeting of it = all... i feel the lines starting to blur...=20 I know I'm a buddhist, and a californian, but if I say "s'all good" = will y'all laugh at me? For the record, I belong to club number 5. (could you tell?) And I concur with Krispen, and half of what everyone else has said...=20 todd On 6/14/07, Krispen Hartung wrote: [not addressing Travis specifically, but just the general group] To be fair here, we could also point out that there are musicians = who standup and use hardware that can come across just as "uninteresting" as some sit-down laptop users. What's more=20 "uninteresting", watching a laptop musician check his email all night, or a stand-up guitarist checking the time on = his wrist watch all night? I'm sure it varies by observer, but the point is that what does the laptop have to do with any of = this as a=20 general rule? Nothing that I can see, as I can easily imagine a counter-example that involves the laptop, or a = similar example that doesn't involve the laptop. I believe counter-examples still cary some weight these days in the world of = reason=20 correct? So we factor the gear out of the equation and limit the discussion to the individual behavior of the performer and the subjective resonse of the viewer. Eveything in between these two things seems to be incidental.=20 Kris > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Travis Hartnett" < >> As an audience member, I prefer that I be able to easily tell the >> difference between the performing musician and someone checking = their=20 >> email while the output of their iTunes is pumped through the PA. >> >> All the laptop performances I've seen have featured a musician = who >> stares at the computer most of the time. I know there's = exceptions,=20 >> but this has been my experience. >> >> TH --=20 http://www.toddreynolds.com |:=20 http://myspace.com/toddreynoldsmusic |: ------------------------------------------------------|: 917.576.6166 =20 todd@toddreynolds.com toddreyn@gmail.com ------=_NextPart_000_0DFF_01C7AE7F.6B618020 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I love this. It depicts so much of the = threads that=20 occur in

this group. We=20 are all masters at finding the most complicated=20

and contentious ways to say simply that anything goes and there

are exceptions to every rule (except = this one=20 :)). All fragments of

ice floating in the sea of Brahman. =

K-

----- Original Message -----

well,=20 as I see it, we've covered these six types of musicians...

1. = Those=20 who use a laptop and who aren't boring...
2. Those who use a = laptop and=20 who bore us to tears.
3. Those who use hardware only and who aren't = boring.=20
4. Those who use hardware only and the blinking lights don't save = us from=20 the boredom.
5. Those who use a hard and soft ware combination and = who are=20 interesting to watch therefore avoiding the boring thing, but who = sometimes=20 have to look at their laptop anyway but not so much that it would bug = you .=20
6. Those who use a soft and hard ware combination and fall into = the same=20 boring trap of the other boring folks...

Does that cover it = now? =20 Given that there is at least one from each group on this list, or if = not, in=20 the universe, and given that there are enough strong and disparate = viewpoints=20 to go with each person on the list, and given that on any given night, = any of=20 us might feel differently about one of those people's performance and=20 technique depending on what we ate for dinner, and finally, having the = impression that the best situation here lies in the paradoxical = meeting=20 of it all... i feel the lines starting to blur...

I know = I'm a=20 buddhist, and a californian, but if I say "s'all good" will = y'all laugh=20 at me?

For the record, I belong to club number 5. (could = you=20 tell?)

And I concur with Krispen, and half of what everyone = else has=20 said...

todd

On 6/14/07, Krispen=20 Hartung <khartung@cableone.net>=20 wrote:
[not=20 addressing Travis specifically, but just the general = group]

To be=20 fair here, we could also point out that there are musicians = who
standup=20 and use hardware that can come across
just as "uninteresting" as = some=20 sit-down laptop users.  What's more
"uninteresting", = watching=20 a laptop musician check
his email all night, or a stand-up = guitarist=20 checking the time on his wrist
watch all night? I'm sure it = varies by=20 observer,
but the point is that what does the laptop have to do = with any=20 of this as a
general rule? Nothing that I can see, as I = can
easily=20 imagine a counter-example that involves the laptop, or a = similar
example=20 that doesn't involve the laptop. I believe
counter-examples still = cary=20 some weight these days in the world of reason
correct? So we = factor the=20 gear out of the
equation and limit the discussion to the = individual=20 behavior of the
performer and the subjective resonse of the=20 viewer.
Eveything in between these two things seems to be = incidental.=20

Kris

> ----- Original Message -----
> From: = "Travis=20 Hartnett" <

>> As an audience member, I prefer that = I be=20 able to easily tell the
>> difference between the = performing=20 musician and someone checking their
>> email while the = output of=20 their iTunes is pumped through the PA.
>>
>> All = the=20 laptop performances I've seen have featured a musician = who
>>=20 stares at the computer most of the time.  I know there's=20 exceptions,
>> but this has been my=20 experience.
>>
>> = TH

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toddreyn@gmail.com=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0DFF_01C7AE7F.6B618020-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 14 18:55:50 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BAE4C3BF6B; Thu, 14 Jun 2007 18:55:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <0e0201c7aeb1$b6ca3ca0$6401a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> References: <0dc901c7aeae$8e084e40$6401a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> <4759e5740706141120s7deb87atf78fa0bba2f5e9dd@mail.gmail.com> <0e0201c7aeb1$b6ca3ca0$6401a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 14:55:13 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Mech Subject: Re: Laptops Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <2TXm0.A.SZF.28YcGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71179 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 18:55:50 +0000 (UTC) At 12:27 PM -0600 6/14/07, Krispen Hartung wrote: >>----- Original Message ----- >> >>well, as I see it, we've covered these six types of musicians... > >I love this. It depicts so much of the threads that occur in >this group. We are all masters at finding the most complicated >and contentious ways to say simply that anything goes and there >are exceptions to every rule (except this one :)). Yeah, at this point my last post should've simply stated: "what he said". (I gotta learn to type faster). >All fragments of ice floating in the sea of Brahman. Although, as a Vedic Reconstructionist (and hardcore polytheist), I tend to pull out the baseball bat whenever Brahman comes sniffing around. ;) --m. -- _____ "I want to keep you alive so there is always the possibility of murder... later" From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 14 18:58:21 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2D0A53BF73; Thu, 14 Jun 2007 18:58:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com In-Reply-To: <017e01c7ae97$37911c20$19b2a8c0@netzrechner> References: <930530.27108.qm@web35107.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <548E9D60-1DDB-40F5-88CF-284E8E344868@midway.uchicago.edu> <50489.67.136.237.160.1181697414.squirrel@webmail.zerocrossing.net> <50665.67.136.237.160.1181700796.squirrel@webmail.zerocrossing.net> <588ce11d0706122257u2a367b8ew368e6ed2500609c0@mail.gmail.com> <3B760999C264454D82652640BB74075C370E2B@keel.sailpoint.com> <54708.67.136.236.95.1181767190.squirrel@webmail.zerocrossing.net> <25ac75b1819d7e1784bf39a1653477ae@glasswing.com> <54951.67.136.236.95.1181774928.squirrel@webmail.zerocrossing.net> <616804bb45c22f8cd46e8c956d624502@glasswing.com> <017e01c7ae97$37911c20$19b2a8c0@netzrechner> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <8B6F4BC5-BDDC-4E5B-B4AA-7BC32D7071A3@zerocrossing.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Mark Sottilaro Subject: Re: OT $1.95 synth! Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 11:57:54 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71180 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 18:58:21 +0000 (UTC) On Jun 14, 2007, at 8:18 AM, Tilmann Dehnhard wrote: > the wusik-people have constructed a strange scenario, here: I agree. It's kind of exciting though. > if they should not make the 150 000 margin, a very strange effect > will set in: > wusik will disappoint all their (potential) customers at once - for > a lousy 2 dollars per customer. How much disappointment can one get from loosing $2? People play lotto every day. Also, if the customer is truly a potential one, then they have nothing to lose: the $1.95 applies to any purchase. It would be just like this never happened. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 14 18:59:39 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2545C3BF83; Thu, 14 Jun 2007 18:59:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at cavesofice.org Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 14:59:45 -0400 (EDT) From: burnett@pobox.com X-X-Sender: badger@giggles.cavesofice.org To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Re: Laptops In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: <0dc901c7aeae$8e084e40$6401a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> <4759e5740706141120s7deb87atf78fa0bba2f5e9dd@mail.gmail.com> <0e0201c7aeb1$b6ca3ca0$6401a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71181 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 18:59:39 +0000 (UTC) On Thu, 14 Jun 2007, Mech wrote: > Although, as a Vedic Reconstructionist (and hardcore polytheist), I tend to > pull out the baseball bat whenever Brahman comes sniffing around. ;) Baseball bat? Now that's an exciting input device for a stage performance! Off to design a Whack-a-Mole MIDI controller, Steve Burnett Subscape Annex http://www.subscapeannex.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 14 19:05:39 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9A53A3BF8D; Thu, 14 Jun 2007 19:05:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: BreachinThePeace@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 15:02:35 EDT Subject: Re: Laptops Hendrix To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-----------------------------1181847755" X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5366 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71182 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 19:05:39 +0000 (UTC) -------------------------------1181847755 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 6/14/2007 1:52:26 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, sambacomet@hotmail.com writes: Hendrix was a very important part of my life,I saw him more than once first time at age 13. But I must say speculation about what he would ,and would not have used if he were alive seems kinda silly to me. why? apparently you feel that's a waste of time or ???? Some think he used whatever was cutting edge,<---some don't need to "think" so. This was a fact beyond question. Hendrix was both an equipment & studio wizard. He was obsessed with effect and tape tricks. He said so himself many times. perhaps so but his use of chords and knowledge of theory don't seem to reflect that at all,his harmony knowlegde was pretty basic,nowhere near the cutting edge.Of course he went beyond edges all together with pure soud explorations.<--this is out and out the slliest thing I have ever read concerning Hendrix. Eric Clapton, Jimmy Page & Jeff Beck could only stand there with mouth agape listening and watching as he played and your calling him "basic". I am not certain where you got your information but Hendrix had ZERO theory. That's what made him the most revolutionary guitarist in the history of rock music. He had MANY influences but copied NO ONE. To say Hendrix was not cutting edge is like saying the Pope ain't Catholic. NO ONE has ever shaped the ongoing progressive development of electric guitar more than Jimi Hendrix did in the all too short time he was alive. Hard to put in a neat box. Miles is known to have been on various cutting edges alll his life,but did his actual playing do that? I would say not,his compsotion,arragement presentation did,though often by drawing on what was happening elsewhere ( notably imitating Hendrix,and SLy)and adding it to 'serious' jazz .His chops and articulation didn't really stay on the cutting edge after his pioneering use of electronics. Hendrix when he died was already getting bypassed in terms of technique by fusionoid stuff that was a response to his trailblazing. Maybe he would've woodshedded his modes and started dropping in extreme substitutions- who knows. Thye laptop doesn;'t seem kinetic enough a performace tool though,eve i the studion he was more iterested in live expressio than elaborate intellectual architecture. Hendrix got really extreme at putting on a show as a way to get some where in the music biz, and it worked but after he made it he felt trapped in that freakshow role.He said in interveiws he wished people could just close their eye and let the music take them. ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. -------------------------------1181847755 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
In a message dated 6/14/2007 1:52:26 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,=20 sambacomet@hotmail.com writes:
<= FONT=20 style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" face=3DArial color=3D#000000 size= =3D2> =20 Hendrix was a very important part of my life,I saw him more than once=20
first time at age 13. But I must say speculation about what he would ,= and=20
would not have used if he were alive seems kinda silly to=20 me.

why? apparently you feel that's a waste of time or=20 ????

<= FONT=20 style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" face=3DArial color=3D#000000 size= =3D2>Some=20 think he
used whatever was cutting edge,<---some don't=20= need=20 to "think" so. This was a fact beyond question. Hendrix was both an=20 equipment & studio wizard. He was obsessed with effect and tape tricks= . He=20 said so himself many times.

<= FONT=20 style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" face=3DArial color=3D#000000 size= =3D2>perhaps=20 so but his use of chords and
knowledge of theory don't seem to reflect= =20 that at all,his harmony knowlegde
was pretty basic,nowhere near the=20 cutting edge.Of course he went beyond
edges all together with pure sou= d=20 explorations.<--this is out and out the slliest thing I hav= e=20 ever read concerning Hendrix. Eric Clapton, Jimmy Page & Jeff Beck cou= ld=20 only stand there with mouth agape listening and watching as he played and=20= your=20 calling him "basic". I am not certain where you got your information but=20 Hendrix had ZERO theory. That's what made him the most revolutionary guita= rist=20 in the history of rock music. He had MANY influences but copied NO ONE. To= say=20 Hendrix was not cutting edge is like saying the Pope ain't Catholic. NO ON= E=20 has ever shaped the ongoing progressive development of electric=20 guitar more than Jimi Hendrix did in the all too short time he was=20 alive.

<= FONT=20 style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" face=3DArial color=3D#000000 size= =3D2>Hard to=20 put in a neat box.
Miles is known to have been on various cutting edge= s=20 alll his life,but did
his actual playing do that? I would say not,his=20 compsotion,arragement
presentation did,though often by drawing on what= was=20 happening elsewhere (
notably imitating Hendrix,and SLy)and adding it=20= to=20 'serious' jazz .His chops
and articulation didn't really stay on the=20 cutting edge after his pioneering
use of electronics. Hendrix wh= en=20 he died was already getting bypassed in
terms of technique by fusionoi= d=20 stuff that was a response to his
trailblazing. Maybe he would've=20 woodshedded his modes and started dropping
in extreme substituti= ons-=20 who knows. Thye laptop doesn;'t seem kinetic
enough a performace tool=20 though,eve i the studion he was more iterested in
live expressio than=20 elaborate intellectual architecture.
Hendrix got really=20 extreme at putting on a show as a way to get some where
in the music b= iz,=20 and it worked but after he made it he felt trapped in that
freakshow=20 role.He said in interveiws he wished people could just close their
eye= and=20 let the music take them.

See what's fre= e at AOL.com.=20=
-------------------------------1181847755-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 14 19:08:33 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 383413BF97; Thu, 14 Jun 2007 19:08:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <0dc901c7aeae$8e084e40$6401a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> <4759e5740706141120s7deb87atf78fa0bba2f5e9dd@mail.gmail.com> <0e0201c7aeb1$b6ca3ca0$6401a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 15:08:00 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Mech Subject: Re: Re: Laptops Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <-Xt1wD.A.SWG.wIZcGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71183 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 19:08:33 +0000 (UTC) At 2:59 PM -0400 6/14/07, burnett@pobox.com wrote: > >Off to design a Whack-a-Mole MIDI controller, ROTF LMAO!!! Let me know when you start calling for beta testers. :) --m. -- _____ "I want to keep you alive so there is always the possibility of murder... later" From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 14 19:18:03 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B89BA3BEF3; Thu, 14 Jun 2007 19:18:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <46719465.9020809@mhorse.com> Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 14:17:57 -0500 From: Daryl Shawn User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.12 (Windows/20070509) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Case against laptops References: <20070614190539.3CAC63BF98@arsenic.violacea.com> In-Reply-To: <20070614190539.3CAC63BF98@arsenic.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71184 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 19:18:03 +0000 (UTC) Not that I use a MIDI controller nowadays - if the EDP is "old-school", my cassettes are "pre-school" - but this is pretty darn sweet-sounding. Even sweeter, though, would be to build it into a pair of shoes, so you wouldn't be rooted to one spot. In fact, it would guarantee that you'd be moving around, at least a little (voila! an interesting laptop performance!). I love the thought of running full-tilt through the audience, triggering different effects with each footfall. Daryl Shawn www.swanwelder.com www.chinapaintingmusic.com > For the record, I'm working with a team on a new type of footpedal > which will augment or replace my fcb1010. Imagine standing on two > footprints.. the left one depresses switches when you lean, the right > one functions as a pressure sensitive continuous controller as you > lean forward and backward. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 14 19:26:06 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 381CA3BFB0; Thu, 14 Jun 2007 19:26:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=maxZu7/5AXvbJd2tIyE0X7Pq0IiVH8d91+r2MyIyVGHTAqO+FYEgwWgDieHbA7DLTSNCtrRYmQWzv3uOyp1lBGXu9fbaRbNYpNP87snIMV31H6fe3K+nbVH2KZ/2sX2VvDvwCinG9z7y+PegNqqsBSI5PoNpwGmikIXyPEJ/vUs= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=nEDWZGc3mboQZxTxxjqNgFj0PGwo1gT6ZiQVa6PluCiAz216XELNl/rBzHjcBW6kRXJBUvrUrGE4nFEpkF2laS0PXstGnZThts/VQ/X62mSzPMi0LbUwBr4/y3qy4BpRUhxjSl5pMDIvw75c110Wf+F3fA+fJUYbFlbg2XBdox8= Message-ID: <4759e5740706141226n5e992b33ra35cb725dc37b8bc@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 15:26:03 -0400 From: "todd reynolds" Reply-To: todd@toddreynolds.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Case against laptops In-Reply-To: <46719465.9020809@mhorse.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_8776_7836502.1181849163436" References: <20070614190539.3CAC63BF98@arsenic.violacea.com> <46719465.9020809@mhorse.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71185 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 19:26:06 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_8776_7836502.1181849163436 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline definitely can be done... just gotta cover the wires and then get one of the SUCCESSFUL hardware developers (korg, yamahaha, roland) to pay for the R & D. it's funny, wish you guys could have been at NIME last week... you would have enjoyed it. http://itp.nyu.edu/nime/2007/index.php We'll see how quickly or effectively we can get this done, but the company to look at is http://electrotap.com , happy to give them a plug. check out the teabox. believe me, if max is a huge learning curve for me, this is even higher, but the dudes have it totally under control. they're great. but they're scientists, and we're in the lab. making something like this will take something, and i'm not sure of it's practicality. but it interests me. t. On 6/14/07, Daryl Shawn wrote: > > Not that I use a MIDI controller nowadays - if the EDP is "old-school", > my cassettes are "pre-school" - but this is pretty darn sweet-sounding. > Even sweeter, though, would be to build it into a pair of shoes, so you > wouldn't be rooted to one spot. In fact, it would guarantee that you'd > be moving around, at least a little (voila! an interesting laptop > performance!). > > I love the thought of running full-tilt through the audience, triggering > different effects with each footfall. > > Daryl Shawn > www.swanwelder.com > www.chinapaintingmusic.com > > For the record, I'm working with a team on a new type of footpedal > > which will augment or replace my fcb1010. Imagine standing on two > > footprints.. the left one depresses switches when you lean, the right > > one functions as a pressure sensitive continuous controller as you > > lean forward and backward. > > > -- http://www.toddreynolds.com |: http://myspace.com/toddreynoldsmusic |: ------------------------------------------------------|: 917.576.6166 todd@toddreynolds.com toddreyn@gmail.com ------=_Part_8776_7836502.1181849163436 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline definitely can be done... just gotta cover the wires and then get one of the SUCCESSFUL hardware developers (korg, yamahaha, roland) to pay for the R & D.

it's funny, wish you guys could have been at NIME last week... you would have enjoyed it.

http://itp.nyu.edu/nime/2007/index.php

We'll see how quickly or effectively we can get this done, but the company to look at is http://electrotap.com , happy to give them a plug. check out the teabox.

believe me, if max is a huge learning curve for me, this is even higher, but the dudes have it totally under control. they're great.

but they're scientists, and we're in the lab. making something like this will take something, and i'm not sure of it's practicality. but it interests me.

t.

On 6/14/07, Daryl Shawn <highhorse@mhorse.com> wrote:
Not that I use a MIDI controller nowadays - if the EDP is "old-school",
my cassettes are "pre-school" - but this is pretty darn sweet-sounding.
Even sweeter, though, would be to build it into a pair of shoes, so you
wouldn't be rooted to one spot. In fact, it would guarantee that you'd
be moving around, at least a little (voila! an interesting laptop
performance!).

I love the thought of running full-tilt through the audience, triggering
different effects with each footfall.

Daryl Shawn
www.swanwelder.com
www.chinapaintingmusic.com
> For the record, I'm working with a team on a new type of footpedal
> which will augment or replace my fcb1010.  Imagine standing on two
> footprints.. the left one depresses switches when you lean, the right
> one functions as a pressure sensitive continuous controller as you
> lean forward and backward.

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toddreyn@gmail.com ------=_Part_8776_7836502.1181849163436-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 14 19:28:09 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E03D33BFB9; Thu, 14 Jun 2007 19:28:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at cavesofice.org Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 15:28:18 -0400 (EDT) From: burnett@pobox.com X-X-Sender: badger@giggles.cavesofice.org To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Re: Re: Laptops In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: <0dc901c7aeae$8e084e40$6401a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> <4759e5740706141120s7deb87atf78fa0bba2f5e9dd@mail.gmail.com> <0e0201c7aeb1$b6ca3ca0$6401a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71186 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 19:28:09 +0000 (UTC) On Thu, 14 Jun 2007, Mech wrote: > At 2:59 PM -0400 6/14/07, burnett@pobox.com wrote: >> >> Off to design a Whack-a-Mole MIDI controller, > > ROTF LMAO!!! > > Let me know when you start calling for beta testers. :) Actually, this might be fun to do. When I wrote that, I was thinking of the new Z-Vex Ringtone effect pedal. The Ringtone has 8 ring modulator circuits, wired to a sequencer. It has a random feature where the signal is routed randomly on a fixed timeslice schedule, and it also has a stomp button for a linear step mode where the signal passes to each of the 8 in linear sequence, and you stomp to step the signal from ringmod 1 to ringmod 2, stomp again to pass the signal to 3, then so on. So if the Ringtone's randomizer activates a pop-up "mole" of 8 moles instead of lighting up the LED, and the whack passes the signal to the next random "mole", that becomes a large controller for the Ringtone. Or: have all the moles "up", use velocity-sensitive to control length of note, and use the Whack-a-Mole to control a set of floor bass pedals (the old Taurus bass floor synth kind of design). best, Steve Burnett Subscape Annex http://www.subscapeannex.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 14 19:43:00 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3BF3B3BFC2; Thu, 14 Jun 2007 19:43:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Qua Veda" To: Subject: RE: Case against laptops -foot control Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 12:42:58 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 In-Reply-To: <0dec01c7aeb0$414e8310$6401a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 thread-index: AceusRGJ6+zBRMEnSTOKgSPLLg8PBAACuTnQ Message-Id: <200706141248468.SM02184@quahome> X-RBL-Warning: REVDNS: This E-mail was sent from a MUA/MTA 206.212.233.27 with no reverse DNS entry. X-Declude-Sender: qua@oregon.com [206.212.233.27] X-Declude-Spoolname: D9b8d020d00004239.smd X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude JunkMail (www.declude.com) for spam. Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71187 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 19:43:00 +0000 (UTC) The RFX (Rolls) MidiWizard is a really nice sized foot controller with 4 exp pedal jacks . They are a little hard to find, and don't have a s/w editor that I am aware of, but you'd like the form factor -Qua -----Original Message----- From: Krispen Hartung [mailto:khartung@cableone.net] Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2007 11:17 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Case against laptops FCB1010 for me. I turn max patches on and off with program changes, control my max looper with program changes, and control max patch/effect parameters with both the FCB expression pedals. I've searched for a smaller solution that does the same thing (same # of buttons and two expression pedals), but just can't find one. If I could cut the size of the FCB down by 1/3, I'd be content. For now, it's an anchor that I just can't live without. K- ----- Original Message ----- > Would Hendrix have used a Behringer FCB1010 to control the software? > That would be rich. > > Seriously, what ARE people using to control the software running on > laptops (i.e. Mobius, et al)? FCB1010's? > > -- > Paul From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 14 20:03:53 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BBCB03BF66; Thu, 14 Jun 2007 20:03:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <0dc901c7aeae$8e084e40$6401a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> <4759e5740706141120s7deb87atf78fa0bba2f5e9dd@mail.gmail.com> <0e0201c7aeb1$b6ca3ca0$6401a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 16:03:18 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Mech Subject: Re: Re: Re: Laptops Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <8lRd4B.A.amB.p8ZcGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71188 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 20:03:53 +0000 (UTC) At 3:28 PM -0400 6/14/07, burnett@pobox.com wrote: >On Thu, 14 Jun 2007, Mech wrote: > >>At 2:59 PM -0400 6/14/07, burnett@pobox.com wrote: >>> >>>Off to design a Whack-a-Mole MIDI controller, >> >>ROTF LMAO!!! >> >>Let me know when you start calling for beta testers. :) > >Actually, this might be fun to do. When I wrote that, I was thinking >of the new Z-Vex Ringtone effect pedal. > >The Ringtone has 8 ring modulator circuits, wired to a sequencer. It >has a random feature where the signal is routed randomly on a fixed >timeslice schedule, and it also has a stomp button for a linear step >mode where the signal passes to each of the 8 in linear sequence, >and you stomp to step the signal from ringmod 1 to ringmod 2, stomp >again to pass the signal to 3, then so on. > >So if the Ringtone's randomizer activates a pop-up "mole" of 8 moles >instead of lighting up the LED, and the whack passes the signal to >the next random "mole", that becomes a large controller for the >Ringtone. Holy crap! I think you're actually onto something there. At the very least, it should get you a write-up on the Create Digital Music and Music Thing blogs. Nice publicity, and it sounds like a fun project besides!!! --m. -- _____ "I want to keep you alive so there is always the possibility of murder... later" From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 14 20:05:50 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 24C473BF5A; Thu, 14 Jun 2007 20:05:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <4759e5740706141226n5e992b33ra35cb725dc37b8bc@mail.gmail.com> References: <20070614190539.3CAC63BF98@arsenic.violacea.com> <46719465.9020809@mhorse.com> <4759e5740706141226n5e992b33ra35cb725dc37b8bc@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 16:04:59 -0400 To: todd@toddreynolds.com, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Mech Subject: Re: Case against laptops Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71189 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 20:05:50 +0000 (UTC) At 3:26 PM -0400 6/14/07, todd reynolds wrote: >On 6/14/07, Daryl Shawn ><highhorse@mhorse.com> wrote: > >Even sweeter, though, would be to build it into a pair of shoes, so you >wouldn't be rooted to one spot. In fact, it would guarantee that you'd >be moving around, at least a little (voila! an interesting laptop >performance!). > >definitely can be done... just gotta cover the wires and then get >one of the SUCCESSFUL hardware developers (korg, yamahaha, roland) >to pay for the R & D. Even easier than that. I think I've mentioned before that my old studio partner was an electronic drummer who used a couple of foot triggers attached directly to his shoes to play bass drum(s). They're merely piezo triggers (get 'em down at Rat Shack) wired to standard guitar cable, then plugged into a brain unit like the old Roland PM-16 trigger-to-MIDI converter. This will convert each step into a MIDI note, then you can use that however you like. Velcro 'em onto your shoes, then route through a MAX, Bidule, or Numerology patch and you could have all kinds of fun. --m. -- _____ "I want to keep you alive so there is always the possibility of murder... later" From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 14 20:06:45 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6BC453BF81; Thu, 14 Jun 2007 20:06:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=kNwgpCrptKljukAGKAfkXy+ST9S19HoDdLHfPy/fG7WVUO0WpkpFszmg1xWNTjhYZsAF/OMS6AAwktwUjxeDzSH16E9F/k08Fj/pHwOpaEnKxXX01hFWOjEx4o6KMnjyZrqsQ535gns40T3bmTEieN7X2wD5bFpEatCDw2zbyzA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=UJcKKcq/IZ+e337QMeT0RW0MbJ6DSIewMZCdKx0CHU5LLA+a1lq4oMrrc2+Of8tOFzAVlmnAI+vLTUgg6H/llcqZOLJeuDgN43DaLog4rjwx86315rdKwb0uBosbWxxN3O2IFzcB4731/2KvYYl9NmkhuyeqA81fl8w5xRP8Jmg= Message-ID: Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 16:06:43 -0400 From: "radio radio" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: EDP beat sync problems MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71190 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 20:06:45 +0000 (UTC) I am without midi anything and am trying for the first time to use beat sync the EDP and it is not registering the pulse I am sending it. Yes, the sync is set to IN. The pulse is actually the pulse I sent from the EDP to protools from the beat sync when it was sent OUT. Now I want to use that recorded pulse back to the EDP so I can sync and record new loops. My first guess is to amplify the pulse out with a regular pa/amp - I'm thinking it's currently line-level - but I don't want to fry it, so I thought maybe someone here could help. I'm concerned because I did buy this refurbished, so I don't know if I'm doing something incorrectly or what. Some other results of trouble-shooting that may be of help: The cable works fine. I'm pretty sure that I have the settings correct in both the EDP and in protools. Also, when I take the plug in and out of the beat sync, it seems to read the electronic connections that the plug is making as I insert it, so I don't think it's the beat sync jack itself, or even really the EDP, since it registers that. So that's why my best guess is that the pulse I'm sending it just isn't loud enough, but, again, I'm affraid to blow something by amplifying it, so that's why I'm asking the experts here before I try that - is it possible to fry it by playing a pulse with too much power? Alternately, really what I'm trying to do is to record synced loops not live on independent tracks that I can manipulate later in protools...should I bite the bullet and try to learn something like Mobius instead for this project? I'm a bit computer-phobic when it comes to music, but it does seem like I am being pretty backwards in this context by avoiding acquiring and learning a new program since I have to do so many extra things that I'm sure would be automatic on software. THANKS! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 14 20:22:30 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E383A3BFB4; Thu, 14 Jun 2007 20:22:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <0eb501c7aec1$b60ac9f0$6401a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <200706141248468.SM02184@quahome> Subject: Re: Case against laptops -foot control Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 14:22:19 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Resent-Message-ID: <7dTXcB.A.IwC.FOacGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71191 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 20:22:29 +0000 (UTC) Oh yes, the Rolls MP1288. They must be discontinued, right? I can't find one on the web for sale. I suppose I could use one and hook up my Roland controller pedels....5 of them! That would be very cool. Of course, I'm still attacted to an all in one unit, with controller pedals attached. Kris ----- Original Message ----- > The RFX (Rolls) MidiWizard is a really nice sized foot controller with 4 > exp > pedal jacks . > They are a little hard to find, and don't have a s/w editor that I am > aware > of, but you'd like the form factor > > -Qua > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 14 20:55:32 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0C65E3BF66; Thu, 14 Jun 2007 20:55:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-SBRS: -2.0 X-RemoteIP: 212.139.185.250 X-Cloudmark-SP-Filtered: true X-Cloudmark-SP-Result: v=1.0 c=0 a=bajLQvGxigV5MQGqzzsA:9 a=39-Gxir6ewxy4nN30BXlOqw9D4gA:4 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AjJzAAJIcUbUi7n6UGdsb2JhbACCHYUWiAoBAT+edQ X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.16,422,1175468400"; d="scan'208";a="2120080" Message-ID: <4671AB47.6070400@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 21:55:35 +0100 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Case against laptops References: <5.2.1.1.0.20070614095623.02c7b008@mail.onemodelplace.com> <0d8001c7aeaa$2e542bd0$6401a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> In-Reply-To: <0d8001c7aeaa$2e542bd0$6401a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71192 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 20:55:32 +0000 (UTC) Can you imagine Hendrix reading the manual to learn the laptop? Case closed again :-) andy Krispen Hartung wrote: > In a message dated 6/14/2007 6:34:43 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, > goddard.duncan@mtvne.com writes: > > can you imagine hendrix ever having become immortal from behind a > laptop? case closed > > yes. case re-opened. > > Kris From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 14 20:57:30 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EDDB43BF67; Thu, 14 Jun 2007 20:57:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <6A41CA05-3E70-4683-B448-1790B2FE71FE@zoekeating.com> References: <6A41CA05-3E70-4683-B448-1790B2FE71FE@zoekeating.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-2--463499897 Message-Id: <7eb6344d362128494653e3c8682ce2ec@glasswing.com> From: Richard Sales Subject: Re: looping (w/ laptop ;-) ) on TV Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 13:57:26 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Resent-Message-ID: <5555-D.A._lE.5uacGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71193 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 20:57:29 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-2--463499897 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Nice one! Whoopee! Sounded good on my speaks. richard sales glassWing farm and studio vancouver island, b.c. 800.545.6846 250.752.4816 www.glassWing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com On 14-Jun-07, at 10:51 AM, Zoe Keating wrote: > my looping segment on CBS13 is online for your viewing pleasure. > > given that the show was infotainment fluff, i chose to do a really > accessible and simple piece that shows how it is done. > sound is ok, not great. > > http://cbs13.com/video/?id=21518@kovr.dayport.com > --Apple-Mail-2--463499897 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=US-ASCII Nice one! Whoopee! Sounded good on my speaks. Gadgetrichard sales 7373,7F7F,C5C5glassWing farm and studio vancouver island, b.c. 800.545.6846 250.752.4816C3C3,9696,1C1C www.glassWing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com On 14-Jun-07, at 10:51 AM, Zoe Keating wrote: my looping segment on CBS13 is online for your viewing pleasure. given that the show was infotainment fluff, i chose to do a really accessible and simple piece that shows how it is done. sound is ok, not great. http://cbs13.com/video/?id=21518@kovr.dayport.com --Apple-Mail-2--463499897-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 14 21:07:54 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 70CE13BF6E; Thu, 14 Jun 2007 21:07:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Qua Veda" To: Subject: RE: looping (w/ laptop ;-) ) on TV Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 14:07:55 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0116_01C7AE8D.6A71C090" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 In-Reply-To: <7eb6344d362128494653e3c8682ce2ec@glasswing.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 thread-index: Aceux3NUoTLb6pVfS1WHWITkJZEZkgAAHepA Message-Id: <200706141413968.SM02636@quahome> X-RBL-Warning: REVDNS: This E-mail was sent from a MUA/MTA 206.212.233.27 with no reverse DNS entry. X-Declude-Sender: qua@oregon.com [206.212.233.27] X-Declude-Spoolname: Daf76028600007065.smd X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude JunkMail (www.declude.com) for spam. Resent-Message-ID: <6sMA4C.A.yEF.q4acGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71194 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 21:07:54 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0116_01C7AE8D.6A71C090 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I LOVE this ! Beautiful, Zoe ! -Qua _____ From: Richard Sales [mailto:richard@glasswing.com] Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2007 1:57 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: looping (w/ laptop ;-) ) on TV Nice one! Whoopee! Sounded good on my speaks. richard sales glassWing farm and studio vancouver island, b.c. 800.545.6846 250.752.4816 www.glassWing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com On 14-Jun-07, at 10:51 AM, Zoe Keating wrote: my looping segment on CBS13 is online for your viewing pleasure. given that the show was infotainment fluff, i chose to do a really accessible and simple piece that shows how it is done. sound is ok, not great. http://cbs13.com/video/?id=21518@kovr.dayport.com ------=_NextPart_000_0116_01C7AE8D.6A71C090 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I LOVE this !   Beautiful, = Zoe=20 !

-Qua

From: Richard Sales=20 [mailto:richard@glasswing.com]
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On=20 14-Jun-07, at 10:51 AM, Zoe Keating wrote:

my looping segment on CBS13 is online for your viewing=20 pleasure.

given that the show was infotainment fluff, i chose = to do a=20 really accessible and simple piece that shows how it is done.
sound = is ok,=20 not=20 great.

http://cbs13.com/video/?id=3D21518@kovr.dayport.com

=
------=_NextPart_000_0116_01C7AE8D.6A71C090-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 14 21:19:13 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8C2C53BF66; Thu, 14 Jun 2007 21:19:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: BreachinThePeace@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 17:18:55 EDT Subject: Re: Case against laptops To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-----------------------------1181855935" X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5366 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71195 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 21:19:13 +0000 (UTC) -------------------------------1181855935 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 6/14/2007 4:55:48 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, akbutler@tiscali.co.uk writes: Can you imagine Hendrix reading the manual to learn the laptop? Case closed again :-) andy LOL! how well I can relate to this. I once knew a guy that could set down and program anything. The guy's input was straight front to rear with no effects in between if you know what I mean. I remember he sat up a roland pro v kit for the first time and had the thing thoroughly programmed spec wise to the room we were in, midi ins and outs & combined various kits in about 1 hour. I mean he finished the manual right there. thing is, he could keep one beat and couldn't remember his changes in that he had to STOP, mid song, and ask repeatedly, "how'd that go again"? ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. -------------------------------1181855935 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

In a message dated 6/14/2007 4:55:48 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,=20 akbutler@tiscali.co.uk writes:
<= FONT=20 style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" face=3DArial color=3D#000000 size= =3D2>Can you=20 imagine Hendrix reading the manual to learn the laptop?

Case closed= =20 again :-)

andy

LOL! how well I can relate to this. I once knew a guy that could set do= wn=20 and program anything. The guy's input was straight front to rear with no eff= ects=20 in between if you know what I mean. I remember he sat up a roland pro v kit=20= for=20 the first time and had the thing thoroughly programmed spec wise to the room= we=20 were in, midi ins and outs & combined various kits in about 1 hour.= I=20 mean he finished the manual right there.

thing is, he could keep one beat and couldn't remember his changes in t= hat=20 he had to STOP, mid song, and ask repeatedly, "how'd that go=20 again"?

See what's f= ree at AOL.com= .
-------------------------------1181855935-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 14 21:27:09 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EF4FC3BF42; Thu, 14 Jun 2007 21:27:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: midifriedchicken@comcast.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Case against laptops Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 21:27:06 +0000 Message-Id: <061420072127.18019.4671B2AA000B5DF6000046632216551406020A050C07080C0B0A079D00070B0703@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Oct 4 2006) X-Authenticated-Sender: bWlkaWZyaWVkY2hpY2tlbkBjb21jYXN0Lm5ldA== MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_18019_1181856426_0" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71196 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 21:27:08 +0000 (UTC) --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_18019_1181856426_0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit hmmm. Not sure what that means. -------------- Original message -------------- From: andy butler > Can you imagine Hendrix reading the manual to learn the laptop? > > Case closed again :-) > > andy > > > Krispen Hartung wrote: > > In a message dated 6/14/2007 6:34:43 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, > > goddard.duncan@mtvne.com writes: > > > can you imagine hendrix ever having become immortal from behind a > > laptop? case closed > > > > yes. case re-opened. > > > > Kris > --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_18019_1181856426_0 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
hmmm. Not sure what that means.

-------------- Original message --------------
From: andy butler <akbutler@tiscali.co.uk>

> Can you imagine Hendrix reading the manual to learn the laptop?
>
> Case closed again :-)
>
> andy
>
>
> Krispen Hartung wrote:
> > In a message dated 6/14/2007 6:34:43 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
> > goddard.duncan@mtvne.com writes:
> > > can you imagine hendrix ever having become immortal from behind a
> > laptop? case closed
> >
> > yes. case re-opened.
> >
> > Kris
>
--NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_18019_1181856426_0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 14 22:02:35 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 66BD43BF29; Thu, 14 Jun 2007 22:02:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <5.2.1.1.0.20070614150201.00dcf4d8@mail.onemodelplace.com> X-Sender: CaraQuinn@mail.onemodelplace.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.1 Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 15:03:33 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Cara Quinn Subject: Re: looping (w/ laptop ;-) ) on TV In-Reply-To: <6A41CA05-3E70-4683-B448-1790B2FE71FE@zoekeating.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-34FD12B2 Resent-Message-ID: <9uId3.A.NS.6rbcGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71197 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 22:02:35 +0000 (UTC) Zoe, Very nice! :) Thanks so much for posting!... Is it possible to get a better fi copy? Also, how did you get the news spot?... Have a great day!... Smiles, CQ At 10:51 AM 6/14/2007 -0700, you wrote: >my looping segment on CBS13 is online for your viewing pleasure. > >given that the show was infotainment fluff, i chose to do a really >accessible and simple piece that shows how it is done. >sound is ok, not great. > >http://cbs13.com/video/?id=21518@kovr.dayport.com > > > > > >-- >No virus found in this incoming message. >Checked by AVG Free Edition. >Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 269.8.13/844 - Release Date: 6/11/2007 >5:10 PM --- View my on-line portfolio at: http://www.onemodelplace.com/CaraQuinn "The only things I really think are important, are love, and each other. -Then, anything is possible..." http://home.earthlink.net/~cara-quinn -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 269.8.13/844 - Release Date: 6/11/2007 5:10 PM From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 14 22:06:44 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 655EA3BF2B; Thu, 14 Jun 2007 22:06:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [4.246.78.37] X-Originating-Email: [sambacomet@hotmail.com] X-Sender: sambacomet@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <20070614180958.802483BF92@arsenic.violacea.com> From: "samba -" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Logic amatuer Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 15:06:37 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Jun 2007 22:06:41.0158 (UTC) FILETIME=[496BCA60:01C7AED0] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71198 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 22:06:44 +0000 (UTC) You're right. I didn't qualify my statement as opinion,'particularly interesting' is not a state of being,but a description of my responses to certain experiences,which I then exatrapolated to a generalized category . I hate it whe people do that. So, when you said "One clear advantage to not using a laptop is that people working at laptops are not particularly interesting to watch"....were you generalizing (clearly), stating your personal opinion of only the sit-down laptop users you've seen, or making a specific claim about only a sub-set of sit-down laptop users? That statement was not clear enough to discern your intent. _________________________________________________________________ Get a preview of Live Earth, the hottest event this summer - only on MSN http://liveearth.msn.com?source=msntaglineliveearthhm From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 14 22:27:58 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 625023BF3F; Thu, 14 Jun 2007 22:27:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [4.246.78.37] X-Originating-Email: [sambacomet@hotmail.com] X-Sender: sambacomet@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <20070614210754.D98293BF6D@arsenic.violacea.com> From: "samba -" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V07 #415 Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 15:27:51 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Jun 2007 22:27:56.0457 (UTC) FILETIME=[418EF990:01C7AED3] Resent-Message-ID: <9u0eSD.A.1iB.tDccGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71199 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 22:27:58 +0000 (UTC) Because he died,it appears to be unknowable. "would have ,if" is fantasy.Which is ok but for me what he layed down is totally fantastic that 'what might have happened' seems silly to me. I don't really care if someone else wants to spend their time at it. "speculation about what he would ,and would not have used if he were alive seems kinda silly to me." "why? apparently you feel that's a waste of time or ????" _________________________________________________________________ Get a preview of Live Earth, the hottest event this summer - only on MSN http://liveearth.msn.com?source=msntaglineliveearthhm From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 14 22:42:12 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5CC043BEF6; Thu, 14 Jun 2007 22:42:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.0.20070614150201.00dcf4d8@mail.onemodelplace.com> References: <5.2.1.1.0.20070614150201.00dcf4d8@mail.onemodelplace.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-26--457218297 Message-Id: <95E8AAE1-9167-4A12-A704-9E8B08BBA80A@zoekeating.com> From: Zoe Keating Subject: Re: looping (w/ laptop ;-) ) on TV Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 15:42:08 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71200 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 22:42:12 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-26--457218297 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed i wrote to the station to see if they have a better version. they read about me in the local paper, which heard about me from somewhere else, etc. On Jun 14, 2007, at 3:03 PM, Cara Quinn wrote: > Zoe, Very nice! :) Thanks so much for posting!... > > Is it possible to get a better fi copy? Also, how did you get > the news spot?... > > Have a great day!... > > Smiles, > > CQ --Apple-Mail-26--457218297 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 i wrote to the station to see if = they have a better version.
they read about me in the local paper, = which heard about me from somewhere else, = etc.

On Jun 14, 2007, at 3:03 PM, Cara Quinn = wrote:

=A0 Zoe, Very nice!=A0 :)=A0 Thanks so much for = posting!...

=A0= Is it possible to get a better fi copy?=A0 Also, how did you get the = news spot?...

Have a great day!...

Smiles,

CQ
=

= --Apple-Mail-26--457218297-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 14 22:44:35 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D543F3BF26; Thu, 14 Jun 2007 22:44:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <29657.68.32.231.238.1181861073.squirrel@webmail.helpwantedproductions.com> In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 15:44:33 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: Case against laptops From: legion@helpwantedproductions.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.9a MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71201 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 22:44:35 +0000 (UTC) If there was ever anyone fascinated and interested in learning and pushing the technonlogy of his time it was Hendrix. The tool wasn't the goal, it was the means to the end but he sure as hell knew how to use the tool to get what he wanted. Hell, what was Electric Ladyland if not his personal geek heaven? I won't speculate on if/how Hendrix, Mozart, or Andy Gibb would use a laptop but I certainly don't think saying they would or wouldn't has anything to do with a "Case" for or against them. Now, if you want to play the computer geek vs creative *musical* artist game I've got a few diverse heavy laptop users for for you: Kid606 Peter Gabriel In the uber pop world (but still creative): (love him or hate him) Trent Reznor Oh yeah I used to know the guy that supplied The Edge with his laptops and as I recall he was never without back in the 1990s :) > In a message dated 6/14/2007 4:55:48 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, > akbutler@tiscali.co.uk writes: > > Can you imagine Hendrix reading the manual to learn the laptop? > > Case closed again :-) > > andy > ------------------------------------------------ Weird, Scary, and Beautiful Music and Art: Http://www.HelpWantedProductions.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 14 22:45:22 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2F3903BF30; Thu, 14 Jun 2007 22:45:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <29676.68.32.231.238.1181861121.squirrel@webmail.helpwantedproductions.com> Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 15:45:21 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: Case against laptops From: legion@helpwantedproductions.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.9a MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71202 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 22:45:22 +0000 (UTC) If there was ever anyone fascinated and interested in learning and pushing the technonlogy of his time it was Hendrix. The tool wasn't the goal, it was the means to the end but he sure as hell knew how to use the tool to get what he wanted. Hell, what was Electric Ladyland if not his personal geek heaven? I won't speculate on if/how Hendrix, Mozart, or Andy Gibb would use a laptop but I certainly don't think saying they would or wouldn't has anything to do with a "Case" for or against them. Now, if you want to play the computer geek vs creative *musical* artist game I've got a few diverse heavy laptop users for for you: Kid606 Peter Gabriel In the uber pop world (but still creative): (love him or hate him) Trent Reznor Oh yeah I used to know the guy that supplied The Edge with his laptops and as I recall he was never without back in the 1990s :) > In a message dated 6/14/2007 4:55:48 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, > akbutler@tiscali.co.uk writes: > > Can you imagine Hendrix reading the manual to learn the laptop? > > Case closed again :-) > > andy > ------------------------------------------------ Weird, Scary, and Beautiful Music and Art: Http://www.HelpWantedProductions.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 14 22:59:42 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6D5CD3BEFA; Thu, 14 Jun 2007 22:59:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1--456190128 Message-Id: From: Mark Sottilaro Subject: Re: I now "get" the RC-50. Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 15:59:16 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71203 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 22:59:42 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-1--456190128 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Wait, are you telling someone not to say "don't say that" to you? I just want to be clear on this. On Jun 13, 2007, at 1:48 PM, BreachinThePeace@aol.com wrote: > Listen. I have been using looping devices most likely prior to you > being born. Hot Headed? Screw you and your cat pal. Don't EVER tell > me what and what not to say. --Apple-Mail-1--456190128 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Wait, are you telling someone = not to say "don't say that" to you?=A0 I just want to be clear on = this.

On Jun 13, = 2007, at 1:48 PM, BreachinThePeace@aol.com = wrote:

Listen. I have been using looping devices most likely = prior to you being born. Hot Headed? Screw you and your cat pal. Don't = EVER tell me what and what not to = say.=A0
= --Apple-Mail-1--456190128-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 14 23:03:26 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 857853BF00; Thu, 14 Jun 2007 23:03:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com In-Reply-To: <006101c7ae08$55afbb60$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> References: <006101c7ae08$55afbb60$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-4--455964747 Message-Id: From: Mark Sottilaro Subject: Re: MORE LOOPS? Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 16:03:01 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71204 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 23:03:26 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-4--455964747 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed I whole heartedly agree. I think it's rare I have more than 2 tracks going in Mobius at the same time. I usually record one "om" loop, the bed, and then several "movement" loops that I can toggle between. More than that is too much for me to keep track of in my little brain. On Jun 13, 2007, at 3:15 PM, RICK WALKER wrote: > So, my long winded point is that there is a distinct danger using > this technology > to play TOO MANY LOOPS at the same time. Why am I > shouting.............................I DON'T KNOW WHY!!!!! > > your thoughts? --Apple-Mail-4--455964747 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1
I whole heartedly = agree.=A0 I think it's rare I have more than 2 tracks going in Mobius at = the same time.=A0 I usually record one "om" loop, the bed, and then = several "movement" loops that I can toggle between.=A0 More than that is = too much for me to keep track of in my little brain.

On Jun 13, 2007, at 3:15 = PM, RICK WALKER wrote:

So,=A0 my long winded point is that = there is a distinct danger using this technology

to play TOO MANY LOOPS at = the same time. =A0 =A0 Why = am I shouting.............................I DON'T KNOW = WHY!!!!!

your thoughts?=A0
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= --Apple-Mail-4--455964747-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 14 23:07:04 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4147D3BF04; Thu, 14 Jun 2007 23:07:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com In-Reply-To: <00da01c7ae0d$18849b20$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> References: <00da01c7ae0d$18849b20$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <8A900194-0CED-46D8-B56F-2D2FBE576049@zerocrossing.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Mark Sottilaro Subject: Re: ROGUES GALLERY Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 16:06:39 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: <_veI_B.A.lGE.XoccGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71205 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 23:07:04 +0000 (UTC) When I was your age, sonny boy, I had to stand next to a canyon to get a delay! My phonograph was made of a pterodactyl (it's a living) and the large size brontosaurus burger tipped my car over every time! GET OFF MY LAWN! On Jun 13, 2007, at 3:49 PM, RICK WALKER wrote: > Rainer wrote: > "It's all laptop these days, or at least dominated by them. The > laptop users > themselves are split into two main camps: MAX/MSP and Mobius. > Apart from that, there's of course still the old crowd using their > Repeaters, EDPs, Looperlatives and whatnot." From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 14 23:08:42 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 84FC43BF08; Thu, 14 Jun 2007 23:08:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=ASUS5WccArzQLmCyrIlMyN3TE1z3tRP/yjbRyhPzCGp979WjEwgw5KRVjyp9lbGPuxMCrSEhRORvN8bsjfedWQQm9npHbaYte0UBgWlli+Sx7koouRxKUV8MoauUuzfDYk8MIoUONycqfiOFkswVBXL3Gkym+u9p9b5H6/ryuv4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=HCbNIzyywUaZYOgHAbgPZnS67DmsOqwOpJppoIzTGnOaELysx6dbApgP6Ys/CSOkOaQisgBfvRlk0hgj2hzkwg0jEXq85SOyUG07sJ/hv1sCkg9fVQPwAeXLxUjgSd3+2IhE/yg3w8g6IXeVwZYNboUdgtfZ9sxfdUklvjgk1Js= Message-ID: <4759e5740706141608i1b7aed7boe7ebc42454cae108@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 19:08:40 -0400 From: "todd reynolds" Reply-To: todd@toddreynolds.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: I now "get" the RC-50. In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_9468_15695858.1181862520792" References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71206 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 23:08:42 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_9468_15695858.1181862520792 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline come on, mark, this IS a Looping List. makes sense... t. On 6/14/07, Mark Sottilaro wrote: > > Wait, are you telling someone not to say "don't say that" to you? I just > want to be clear on this. > > On Jun 13, 2007, at 1:48 PM, BreachinThePeace@aol.com wrote: > > Listen. I have been using looping devices most likely prior to you being > born. Hot Headed? Screw you and your cat pal. Don't EVER tell me what and > what not to say. > > -- http://www.toddreynolds.com |: http://myspace.com/toddreynoldsmusic |: ------------------------------------------------------|: 917.576.6166 todd@toddreynolds.com toddreyn@gmail.com ------=_Part_9468_15695858.1181862520792 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline come on, mark, this IS a Looping List. makes sense...

t.

On 6/14/07, Mark Sottilaro <sine@zerocrossing.net > wrote:
Wait, are you telling someone not to say "don't say that" to you? I just want to be clear on this.

On Jun 13, 2007, at 1:48 PM, BreachinThePeace@aol.com wrote:

Listen. I have been using looping devices most likely prior to you being born. Hot Headed? Screw you and your cat pal. Don't EVER tell me what and what not to say.

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toddreyn@gmail.com ------=_Part_9468_15695858.1181862520792-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 14 23:13:42 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 04C703BF00; Thu, 14 Jun 2007 23:13:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <616804bb45c22f8cd46e8c956d624502@glasswing.com> References: <930530.27108.qm@web35107.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <548E9D60-1DDB-40F5-88CF-284E8E344868@midway.uchicago.edu> <50489.67.136.237.160.1181697414.squirrel@webmail.zerocrossing.net> <50665.67.136.237.160.1181700796.squirrel@webmail.zerocrossing.net> <588ce11d0706122257u2a367b8ew368e6ed2500609c0@mail.gmail.com> <3B760999C264454D82652640BB74075C370E2B@keel.sailpoint.com> <54708.67.136.236.95.1181767190.squirrel@webmail.zerocrossing.net> <25ac75b1819d7e1784bf39a1653477ae@glasswing.com> <54951.67.136.236.95.1181774928.squirrel@webmail.zerocrossing.net> <616804bb45c22f8cd46e8c956d624502@glasswing.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <8BC24FA0-BBD7-43F0-9809-B07EC17221C9@zerocrossing.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Mark Sottilaro Subject: Re: OT $1.95 synth! Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 16:13:17 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71207 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 23:13:41 +0000 (UTC) Nice! Let's stop arguing since we're in agreement! ;) On Jun 13, 2007, at 4:28 PM, Richard Sales wrote: > > On 13-Jun-07, at 3:48 PM, sine@zerocrossing.net wrote: >>> Did I understand what you were saying? >> >> I'm not sure. I thought you were saying that the VST synth market >> today >> was small and I'm thinking it's not that small. > > Oh no! that's not what I was saying. I would imagine the VST > market is huge because it's so cheap. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 14 23:17:39 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3F9AC3BF12; Thu, 14 Jun 2007 23:17:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <86F5384A-F2C0-4869-A887-91D94E39BD69@zerocrossing.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Mark Sottilaro Subject: Re: OT $1.95 synth! Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 16:17:14 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: <-ZfkOD.A.UxE.SyccGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71208 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 23:17:39 +0000 (UTC) Now we're getting totally off topic... but why on earth would you expect Crystal (VA) to do a good piano or ep? I think it's a very good synth (and free) but not the tool for pianos of any type. On Jun 14, 2007, at 1:19 AM, Os wrote: >> Is there any free/cheap VSTs yet that sound like a reasonable >> piano or EP or >> organ ... (please dont tell me crystal .. it sounds like crap .... >> as do the >> few other free one's I've tried). > > mda piano > mda epiano > rumpelrausch taips > vsamp (sampler but comes with nice rhodes multisample) > > > os. > > -- > os@collective.co.uk > http://www.collective.co.uk/ > http://www.myspace.com/darkroomtheband > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 14 23:26:21 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0A4A33BF23; Thu, 14 Jun 2007 23:26:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-4--454568126 Message-Id: <350ddcc19523d9cee4e02a536949803b@glasswing.com> From: Richard Sales Subject: Re: Logic amatuer Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 16:26:18 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Resent-Message-ID: <01s7OB.A.0KF.c6ccGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71209 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 23:26:21 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-4--454568126 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed It's really simple. If the music sucks, it sucks. If it's really great, we will sit through it. I've heard that BT uses a laptop live and pulls it off with great panache. For me personally, it's all a huge nuisance pushing pedals and all that. I think we need some plug ins in the back of our heads so we don't even have to think about it. I saw Hendrix live. I don't think he would have had a laptop on stage with him any more than Keith Richards has all his gear onstage with him. It's the man behind the curtain who runs all that kind of stuff. They don't wanna have to deal with buttons and knobs. When I saw Prince live he had someone backstage loading samples and running them. OR so it looked. So in a way the debate about whether he would have had a laptop onstage isn't too relevant. If it distracted him from communicating with the audience, he would have lit it on fire and left it there to burn. Or, more likely, he would have relegated the operation of it to a stage hand. Would Hendrix have used the technology? Probably. The good news is, he didn't need it to get the job done. richard sales glassWing farm and studio vancouver island, b.c. 800.545.6846 250.752.4816 www.glassWing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com On 14-Jun-07, at 3:06 PM, samba - wrote: > > You're right. I didn't qualify my statement as opinion,'particularly > interesting' is not a state of being,but a description of my responses > to certain experiences,which I then exatrapolated to a generalized > category . I hate it whe people do that. > > So, when you said "One clear advantage to not using a laptop is that > people > working at > laptops are not particularly interesting to watch"....were you > generalizing > (clearly), stating > your personal opinion of only the sit-down laptop users you've seen, or > making a specific > claim about only a sub-set of sit-down laptop users? That statement > was not > clear enough > to discern your intent. > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get a preview of Live Earth, the hottest event this summer - only on > MSN http://liveearth.msn.com?source=msntaglineliveearthhm > --Apple-Mail-4--454568126 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=US-ASCII It's really simple. If the music sucks, it sucks. If it's really great, we will sit through it. I've heard that BT uses a laptop live and pulls it off with great panache. For me personally, it's all a huge nuisance pushing pedals and all that. I think we need some plug ins in the back of our heads so we don't even have to think about it. I saw Hendrix live. I don't think he would have had a laptop on stage with him any more than Keith Richards has all his gear onstage with him. It's the man behind the curtain who runs all that kind of stuff. They don't wanna have to deal with buttons and knobs. When I saw Prince live he had someone backstage loading samples and running them. OR so it looked. So in a way the debate about whether he would have had a laptop onstage isn't too relevant. If it distracted him from communicating with the audience, he would have lit it on fire and left it there to burn. Or, more likely, he would have relegated the operation of it to a stage hand. Would Hendrix have used the technology? Probably. The good news is, he didn't need it to get the job done. Gadgetrichard sales 7373,7F7F,C5C5glassWing farm and studio vancouver island, b.c. 800.545.6846 250.752.4816C3C3,9696,1C1C www.glassWing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com On 14-Jun-07, at 3:06 PM, samba - wrote: You're right. I didn't qualify my statement as opinion,'particularly interesting' is not a state of being,but a description of my responses to certain experiences,which I then exatrapolated to a generalized category . I hate it whe people do that. So, when you said "One clear advantage to not using a laptop is that people working at laptops are not particularly interesting to watch"....were you generalizing (clearly), stating your personal opinion of only the sit-down laptop users you've seen, or making a specific claim about only a sub-set of sit-down laptop users? That statement was not clear enough to discern your intent. _________________________________________________________________ Get a preview of Live Earth, the hottest event this summer - only on MSN http://liveearth.msn.com?source=msntaglineliveearthhm --Apple-Mail-4--454568126-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 14 23:38:35 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6BC933BF18; Thu, 14 Jun 2007 23:38:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <5.2.1.1.0.20070614163017.00e4def8@mail.onemodelplace.com> X-Sender: CaraQuinn@mail.onemodelplace.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.1 Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 16:31:51 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Cara Quinn Subject: Re: looping (w/ laptop ;-) ) on TV In-Reply-To: <95E8AAE1-9167-4A12-A704-9E8B08BBA80A@zoekeating.com> References: <5.2.1.1.0.20070614150201.00dcf4d8@mail.onemodelplace.com> <5.2.1.1.0.20070614150201.00dcf4d8@mail.onemodelplace.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-34FF3AAD; boundary="=======AVGMAIL-4671D1B431E4=======" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71210 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 23:38:35 +0000 (UTC) --=======AVGMAIL-4671D1B431E4======= Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=====================_29011175==.ALT"; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-34FF3AAD --=====================_29011175==.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-34FF3AAD Good for you! :) Good little bit of PR then... If they do have a better ver, and you wouldn't mind posting it, I'd love to hear it. Thanks, and have a great day!... Smiles, C-Quinn At 03:42 PM 6/14/2007 -0700, you wrote: >i wrote to the station to see if they have a better version. >they read about me in the local paper, which heard about me from somewhere >else, etc. > >On Jun 14, 2007, at 3:03 PM, Cara Quinn wrote: > >> Zoe, Very nice! :) Thanks so much for posting!... >> >> >> Is it possible to get a better fi copy? Also, how did you get the >> news spot?... >> >> >>Have a great day!... >> >> >>Smiles, >> >> >>CQ > > > >No virus found in this incoming message. >Checked by AVG Free Edition. >Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 269.8.13/844 - Release Date: 6/11/2007 >5:10 PM --- View my on-line portfolio at: http://www.onemodelplace.com/CaraQuinn "The only things I really think are important, are love, and each other. -Then, anything is possible..." http://home.earthlink.net/~cara-quinn --=====================_29011175==.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-34FF3AAD Good for you! :) Good little bit of PR then...

If they do have a better ver, and you wouldn't mind posting it, I'd love to hear it.

Thanks, and have a great day!...

Smiles,

C-Quinn

At 03:42 PM 6/14/2007 -0700, you wrote:

i wrote to the station to see if they have a better version.
they read about me in the local paper, which heard about me from somewhere else, etc.

On Jun 14, 2007, at 3:03 PM, Cara Quinn wrote:

Zoe, Very nice! :) Thanks so much for posting!...

Is it possible to get a better fi copy? Also, how did you get the news spot?...

Have a great day!...

Smiles,

CQ

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Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 269.8.13/844 - Release Date: 6/11/2007 5:= 10 PM --=======AVGMAIL-4671D1B431E4=======-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 14 23:46:04 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DC7513BF18; Thu, 14 Jun 2007 23:46:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4671D33A.60106@mhorse.com> Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 18:46:02 -0500 From: Daryl Shawn User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.12 (Windows/20070509) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: f.s. looperlative and eclipse References: <20070614125958.3DDAD3BF37@arsenic.violacea.com> In-Reply-To: <20070614125958.3DDAD3BF37@arsenic.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71211 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 23:46:04 +0000 (UTC) I agree with Krispen, this is a real surprise, Scott.. I don't know if you'd remember this, but I did a gig probably seven years ago with you in SF (a round-robin with me doing singing, a sitar player, and you), and you were definitely one with your music. It would make me very be sad if you were getting rid of EVERY instrument, I'm glad to see you aren't quitting altogether. I must actually say that getting rid of stuff can bring real surprises. Three years ago I put everything in storage but an acoustic and a four-track and it's ended up being the most creative period of my life. best, Daryl Shawn www.swanwelder.com www.chinapaintingmusic.com > > After a few months of soul searching I've discovered that making music > isn't really a priority to me and I'll be selling (almost)everything... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 15 02:29:49 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F0D043BEFE; Fri, 15 Jun 2007 02:29:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: eterogeneo Reply-To: eterogeneo To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Case against laptops Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2007 04:28:34 +0200 Message-ID: X-Mailer: EPOC e-mail Versione 2.10 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71212 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2007 02:29:48 +0000 (UTC) I don't understand this debate.... I have a DVD about Paco De Lucia, where (..surprise !) he works with a laptop. I have seen a very basic software (sort of cubase 1.0...) he was using for composition, recording different takes on different tracks. That said, would you ever think that one day, a gitano guitar player (who isn't able to read or write music - similar to Hendrix), like Paco is, would have work on a laptop ? So why not considering more than a possibility that Hendrix, nowdays would work with softwares, midi connections, etc...? By a different point of view, i can ask myself: if Leonardo would have been alive, doesn't would he work with photoshop or other sw ? fabio Data: 14 giugno 2007 21:55:35 Can you imagine Hendrix reading the manual to learn the laptop? Case closed again :-) andy Krispen Hartung wrote: > In a message dated 6/14/2007 6:34:43 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, > goddard.duncan@mtvne.com writes: > > can you imagine hendrix ever having become immortal from behind a > laptop? case closed > > yes. case re-opened. > > Kris From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 15 03:36:34 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AF9383BEFE; Fri, 15 Jun 2007 03:36:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <0ec901c7aefe$5c6a6030$6401a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <5.2.1.1.0.20070614095623.02c7b008@mail.onemodelplace.com> <0d8001c7aeaa$2e542bd0$6401a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> <4671AB47.6070400@tiscali.co.uk> Subject: Re: Case against laptops Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 21:36:28 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71213 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2007 03:36:34 +0000 (UTC) No, but I can imagine someone programming it for him so that he could just press buttons on a floorboard to control it. With money, resources, and fame, anything is possible. :) Case re-opened....again. hah hah. Kris ----- Original Message ----- > Can you imagine Hendrix reading the manual to learn the laptop? > > Case closed again :-) > > andy > > Krispen Hartung wrote: >> In a message dated 6/14/2007 6:34:43 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, >> goddard.duncan@mtvne.com writes: >> > can you imagine hendrix ever having become immortal from behind a >> laptop? case closed >> >> yes. case re-opened. >> >> Kris > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 15 06:36:06 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2EE053BEF8; Fri, 15 Jun 2007 06:36:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=gwLUG1XIDN05hWfBH5PXnjhYPHqdTVhHWuqs7PYsJFhmAIznvusi6A/M/4YCv2/9Ff/D+Iw99BKlg77EOaL7heoIrtGDKqds/EBJjrQgJ2G/+MX+Pwl04FvzeA2L3ut/T4ADTBoEleoEx/9Bu4N/NjLbno3CVdCWB5tzIe6dt/c= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=F+0Kfi4KZLEEjJc1gRlKpaJtMJsXhA/ihXxPDOPZvLPMFz1WcX6wmFg8ZHrylo60y+oYCsN/VQ+rzjWFtVmN2RLWKhb6WOrx65YE5Lthz7Rt7zCgJR61t2XQfcb2Eb+IF9z3rftcW9TsP/boZXpPCgPe45He18gZhFq+LV5RkoU= Message-ID: <4cf76a0b0706142336p5c0a27c5y81686a6d41402f63@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2007 02:36:04 -0400 From: "miles ward" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Logic amatuer In-Reply-To: <350ddcc19523d9cee4e02a536949803b@glasswing.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <350ddcc19523d9cee4e02a536949803b@glasswing.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71214 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2007 06:36:06 +0000 (UTC) I'm buying a macbook pro tomorrow, with full intention of building some serious performance facilitating apendages so that I can deep fat fry sound live via this awesome device. Open Source, if you guys like 'em, you can have 'em! If it crashes, i'll still be the crazy fool with the tuba on stage, and if I play reallly loud, you can hear me for miles :) Given tools like Automator, wireless midi triggers and the dark swaddling love of usb, given the appropriate attention to dorkery, I'm hoping that i won't bore audiences.. :) On 6/14/07, Richard Sales wrote: > It's really simple. If the music sucks, it sucks. If it's really > great, we will sit through it. > > I've heard that BT uses a laptop live and pulls it off with great > panache. For me personally, it's all a huge nuisance pushing pedals > and all that. I think we need some plug ins in the back of our heads > so we don't even have to think about it. > > I saw Hendrix live. I don't think he would have had a laptop on stage > with him any more than Keith Richards has all his gear onstage with > him. It's the man behind the curtain who runs all that kind of stuff. > They don't wanna have to deal with buttons and knobs. When I saw > Prince live he had someone backstage loading samples and running them. > OR so it looked. So in a way the debate about whether he would have > had a laptop onstage isn't too relevant. If it distracted him from > communicating with the audience, he would have lit it on fire and left > it there to burn. Or, more likely, he would have relegated the > operation of it to a stage hand. > > Would Hendrix have used the technology? Probably. The good news is, > he didn't need it to get the job done. > > richard sales > glassWing farm and studio > vancouver island, b.c. > 800.545.6846 > 250.752.4816 > www.glassWing.com > www.richardsales.com > www.hayleysales.com > www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com > On 14-Jun-07, at 3:06 PM, samba - wrote: > > > > > You're right. I didn't qualify my statement as opinion,'particularly > > interesting' is not a state of being,but a description of my responses > > to certain experiences,which I then exatrapolated to a generalized > > category . I hate it whe people do that. > > > > So, when you said "One clear advantage to not using a laptop is that > > people > > working at > > laptops are not particularly interesting to watch"....were you > > generalizing > > (clearly), stating > > your personal opinion of only the sit-down laptop users you've seen, or > > making a specific > > claim about only a sub-set of sit-down laptop users? That statement > > was not > > clear enough > > to discern your intent. > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Get a preview of Live Earth, the hottest event this summer - only on > > MSN http://liveearth.msn.com?source=msntaglineliveearthhm > > > -- ---Miles Ward From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 15 06:53:05 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 650A93BEF5; Fri, 15 Jun 2007 06:53:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: AW: Logic amatuer Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2007 08:53:19 +0200 Organization: Moinlabs Message-ID: <001e01c7af19$dbb78870$1001a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <4cf76a0b0706142336p5c0a27c5y81686a6d41402f63@mail.gmail.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Thread-Index: AcevF3N8jveJWgz1Qu2nJwkPQmFB9QAAloLQ X-RZG-AUTH: lUESeo99iNzPL8kuBgLYdKEqUywq9cxqeRA+BtFcSCD5deQ7OINLBv+lsA== X-RZG-CLASS-ID: mo07 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71215 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2007 06:53:05 +0000 (UTC) > > Would Hendrix have used the technology? Probably. The > good news is, > > he didn't need it to get the job done. The bad news is, he didn't live long enough to try it From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 15 06:57:08 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EA2E93BF0C; Fri, 15 Jun 2007 06:57:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <5.2.1.1.0.20070614235041.027ad598@mail.onemodelplace.com> X-Sender: CaraQuinn@mail.onemodelplace.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.1 Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 23:58:05 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Cara Quinn Subject: Re: f.s. looperlative and eclipse In-Reply-To: <4671D33A.60106@mhorse.com> References: <20070614125958.3DDAD3BF37@arsenic.violacea.com> <20070614125958.3DDAD3BF37@arsenic.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-68447EE Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71216 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2007 06:57:07 +0000 (UTC) Well, as I'd mentioned the other day on-list, I've just rejoined after about four years of a complete hiatus from the musical thing. :) Now whether that is a good thing or not, remains to be seen! lol! It will most likely be for an audience I have, to judge!!! lol! Let's hope what comes out doesn't seriously injure anyone! K?... Scott, all the best to you and yours and I support your decision 100 percent! I enjoyed meeting you a few years back and have enjoyed what I've heard of your music. Thanks very much for that, and I wish you the best on the path you're taking now!... Catch ya on the flip!... Smiles, CQ At 06:46 PM 6/14/2007 -0500, you wrote: >I agree with Krispen, this is a real surprise, Scott.. I don't know if >you'd remember this, but I did a gig probably seven years ago with you in >SF (a round-robin with me doing singing, a sitar player, and you), and you >were definitely one with your music. It would make me very be sad if you >were getting rid of EVERY instrument, I'm glad to see you aren't quitting >altogether. > >I must actually say that getting rid of stuff can bring real surprises. >Three years ago I put everything in storage but an acoustic and a >four-track and it's ended up being the most creative period of my life. > >best, > >Daryl Shawn >www.swanwelder.com >www.chinapaintingmusic.com >> >>After a few months of soul searching I've discovered that making music >>isn't really a priority to me and I'll be selling (almost)everything... > > > > > >-- >No virus found in this incoming message. >Checked by AVG Free Edition. >Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 269.8.13/844 - Release Date: 6/11/2007 >5:10 PM --- View my on-line portfolio at: http://www.onemodelplace.com/CaraQuinn "The only things I really think are important, are love, and each other. -Then, anything is possible..." http://home.earthlink.net/~cara-quinn -- No virus found in this outgoing message. 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Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 269.8.13/844 - Release Date: 6/11/2007 5:10 PM From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 15 08:17:49 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A500A3BF04; Fri, 15 Jun 2007 08:17:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <004b01c7af25$aa5beb70$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "RICK WALKER" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: re: laptops and performance Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2007 01:17:50 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.4 required=1.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,AWL, STOX_REPLY_TYPE,TVD_RCVD_SINGLE autolearn=disabled version=3.2.0 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.0 (2007-05-01) on mail.cruzio.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71217 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2007 08:17:49 +0000 (UTC) mech wrote: "I'd agree that if an audience pays good money for a "traditional" performance, they should most likely get what they pay for. However, it's also perfectly viable to "erase" yourself from the performance and let the music itself be the center of attention, IMNSHO." I see what you mean but this one thought hits me strongly thinking about your post: If the performance (and musician) is not so important and only the music is, why will people NOT pay to go see a show where you just put your latest recording on with a fantastic sound system? There's no denying it, there is the potential for a lot of interactive energy between performers and audiences (even if the interaction is only that the crowd is really excited to see the performer play) that makes the live experience distincly different from the recorded experience. I've seen so many boring computer Goth shows in the past few years..........most of them , really, and yet, the lead singer of VNV Nation (a band that I"m not even particularly enamored of) can just make a huge sold out crowd go crazy just because he is so passionate and throws himself into his singing. He just plays to a backing track with another of my pet peeves, an electronic drummer who is obviously not playing all the drums on the track and it's compelling as all hell. I don't even own his records but I love seeing him perform. He's totally inspirational. Go figure! At the same time, I just saw the Police play their reunion concert last night. They had a hundred thousand dollar light computer/led light show. Sting was in fantastic voice............just blew my mind what a much better singer he is now than even back in their heyday. Band sounded good and they played all the hits to an adoring crowd. The band was animated and hopped all over the stage, lit incredibly well. My wife and I both confessed afterwards that it just hadn't touched us as at all, emotionally (and we're big fans). Go figure! It's the anima of the performance that connects a lot of times. Of course, it helps if the music is fantastic and compelling. All anyone needs to do is to go see Kid Beyond do a performance with a mic, an FCB1010 and a laptop looping solution to know that playing with a laptop is NOT INTRINSICALLY BORING. the point of all of this dialectic is that it is the gestalt that makes the most difference: that frequently elusive combination of wonderful music, interesting visual presentation and audience committment to the performance. It doesn't matter whether Hendrix would have used a strat or a Sony VAIO, the question is, would you go to see him if he were still making compelling music. rick walker From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 15 08:26:11 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C112E3BF0C; Fri, 15 Jun 2007 08:26:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <007c01c7af26$d63eb3c0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "RICK WALKER" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: You are Wrong, I am Right!!!!!! Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2007 01:26:13 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.4 required=1.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,AWL, STOX_REPLY_TYPE,TVD_RCVD_SINGLE autolearn=disabled version=3.2.0 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.0 (2007-05-01) on mail.cruzio.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71218 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2007 08:26:11 +0000 (UTC) Steve Burnett wrote: "Off to design a Whack-a-Mole MIDI controller, What an idiot, Steve....................anyone who thinks a ditigal 'Whack-a-Mole- MIDI controller' is better than a good old fashioned analogue Major League Baseball wooden baseball bat is an inbred pedophile who shouldn't be allowed onto this list or even to have children for that matter. Take it back. You are wrong. I am right! Lester "Les" Ismore From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 15 08:26:25 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2A3DA3BF17; Fri, 15 Jun 2007 08:26:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:x-google-sender-auth; b=p3w2VmYOcKnOrjGS/6g/r3wI0PZmzPCcdhe76kS4V8/1E/6nmNjHhuosC0H214pEkROf6On9XbJHlEcAx7x/CW6xwwzynEOwf93npOy58wYgD2LuV383c5ONXKn/eFwuVH6pqVg1Ud3u1VhQ5X0pbq3Ro7zgWl+DvzSjBbIkdE4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:x-google-sender-auth; b=aZ4CB8Vkiq9js1pSZ5/sZMsSsc7l6vC0kEye6HZGhO10W9DkYgoPaZX616Km0N4NG+ZMYrqjvL9kk4w4+xOhN4tjnTuyfpWbOWq6R8M0lTnvp4shlsVudMFG22yEEudq3830yppwCCurA+gJiCa1Qbqyv7yzV6mKU6TSUYkKEVQ= Message-ID: Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2007 09:26:22 +0100 From: Os Sender: expertsleepers@googlemail.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: [OT] mic recommendations MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Google-Sender-Auth: 87736b34d67b1dbe Resent-Message-ID: <8wz6gC.A.j0D.w0kcGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71219 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2007 08:26:25 +0000 (UTC) Hi, I wondered if you guys could recommend me a mic. I'm looking at getting a mid-range condenser mic, for general purpose use but definitely for female vocals, cello and (to a lesser extent) guitar amps. >From reading reviews, I'm currently considering a Audio Technica 4040 or a Rode NT1000. Any suggestions welcome! cheers, os. -- os@collective.co.uk http://www.collective.co.uk/ http://www.myspace.com/darkroomtheband From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 15 08:59:27 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 291CC3BF0F; Fri, 15 Jun 2007 08:59:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=56iYtUPJBbKyTr9MaQnytWg7NU6dhsI6i+790nw14ImYS5nJFg9V0gr9BIMKMNAxwGo83omViX/J6jwAbRDzihrzS6fDioCqFg7rRUo7tHGgqO2br5h7JZoVTVGk4XW3QwJ5bk6ScNUPoDWsA/gYNIys1T7PaYlS8QBzsW0iPjk=; X-YMail-OSG: 2nTri7UVM1mjGuNrTBET62krRXPS.qlEKXF3oiNtUmmhsjmLGtv9uufjGbg0abEg6jgkhd2Q6fPWcl4mcacRk2qzdqj06OWUsAq_uG_6t3cGzheZ1IDFjcfzWndkQg-- Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2007 01:59:24 -0700 (PDT) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: re: laptops and performance To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <004b01c7af25$aa5beb70$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <814213.80585.qm@web38615.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71220 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2007 08:59:27 +0000 (UTC) my final thoughts to this debate are: laptops are fine with me as long as you stay away from that mouse racks are fine as long as u get somebody to help you carry them and both are fine as long as you make good music perhaps youll even see me (the ol skool hardware snob) with a laptop soon! Luis --- RICK WALKER wrote: > mech wrote: > "I'd agree that if an audience pays good money for a > "traditional" > performance, they should most likely get what they > pay for. However, > it's also perfectly viable to "erase" yourself from > the performance > and let the music itself be the center of attention, > IMNSHO." > > I see what you mean but this one thought hits me > strongly > thinking about your post: > > If the performance (and musician) is not so > important and only the music is, > why will people NOT pay to go see a show where you > just put > your latest recording on with a fantastic sound > system? > > There's no denying it, there is the potential for > a lot of interactive > energy > between performers and audiences (even if the > interaction is only that > the crowd is really excited to see the performer > play) that makes the live > experience distincly different from the recorded > experience. > > I've seen so many boring computer Goth shows in the > past few > years..........most > of them , really, and yet, the lead singer of VNV > Nation (a band that I"m > not even > particularly enamored of) can just make a huge sold > out crowd go crazy just > because he is so passionate and throws himself into > his singing. > He just plays to a backing track with another of my > pet peeves, an > electronic > drummer who is obviously not playing all the drums > on the track and it's > compelling as all hell. I don't even own his > records but I love seeing him > perform. > He's totally inspirational. > Go figure! > > At the same time, I just saw the Police play their > reunion concert last > night. > They had a hundred thousand dollar light > computer/led light show. > Sting was in fantastic voice............just blew my > mind what a much better > singer he is now than even back in their heyday. > Band sounded good and they played all the hits to an > adoring crowd. > The band was animated and hopped all over the stage, > lit incredibly well. > My wife and I both confessed afterwards that it just > hadn't touched us > as at all, emotionally (and we're big fans). > Go figure! > > It's the anima of the performance that connects a > lot of times. > Of course, it helps if the music is fantastic and > compelling. > > All anyone needs to do is to go see Kid Beyond do a > performance with a mic, > an FCB1010 and a laptop looping solution to know > that > playing with a laptop is NOT INTRINSICALLY BORING. > > the point of all of this dialectic is that it is the > gestalt that makes the > most difference: > that frequently elusive combination of wonderful > music, interesting visual > presentation > and audience committment to the performance. > > It doesn't matter whether Hendrix would have used a > strat or a Sony VAIO, > the question is, would you go to see him if he were > still making compelling > music. > > rick walker > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom ____________________________________________________________________________________ Fussy? Opinionated? Impossible to please? Perfect. Join Yahoo!'s user panel and lay it on us. http://surveylink.yahoo.com/gmrs/yahoo_panel_invite.asp?a=7 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 15 12:30:53 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D19613BF07; Fri, 15 Jun 2007 12:30:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.co.uk; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=LCwTGvPdQEuDH6iCF2w5PoPKHQsgoIDMAefXdyqQkFPcULPZvH9LEML5B968XlDjLQvjRsFmBHjDKRUAZ4FG4IrlHr9ogqtQ/kKITtVCHa8Ye6Rs1q09AjDIQAFDSS4XFw/hCBa9quDPtYJ9vd3b3i1jJDprGnGcyIiGSp4gBaY=; X-YMail-OSG: BQVT2NAVM1m1y05OGtDYeZW0Ng7WraqGddR6HD9M_7iF87QR8h2diSKXV7T1VCZJtKDWF.1qhUMIADocI3fgccpi7Lp96vt2Tf9zpO2nwZvVgXXA Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2007 13:30:51 +0100 (BST) From: Stuart Masters Subject: Boss RC50 - two inputs and two outputs? To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1109567143-1181910651=:31550" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <863482.31550.qm@web27002.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: <6Y3hzC.A.kF.9ZocGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71221 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2007 12:30:53 +0000 (UTC) --0-1109567143-1181910651=:31550 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hello, I do apologise if this has already been coverered (I checked and couldn't find anything on the archive) but does anyone know if it's possible to plug a guitar and a mic into the RC50 and have them come out of two separate outputs? I'm a singer/acoustic performer and I'm currently using a Headrush E2 for guitar and a Boss RC20xl for vocals. I'd love to be able to sync loops using mic/guitar and the RC50 sounds great. At the moment it's impossible using two separate units. But it would probably cause problems if the guitar/vox couldn't go to two separate places because I'd be in control of the overall balance rather than the sound guy - probably not sensible! Really grateful for anyone's advice... Sorry that this is more of a question than discussion topic, by the way... Stuart --------------------------------- What kind of emailer are you? Find out today - get a free analysis of your email personality. Take the quiz at the Yahoo! Mail Championship. --0-1109567143-1181910651=:31550 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Hello,

I do apologise if this has already been coverered (I checked and couldn't find anything on the archive) but does anyone know if it's possible to plug a guitar and a mic into the RC50 and have them come out of two separate outputs?

I'm a singer/acoustic performer and I'm currently using a Headrush E2 for guitar and a Boss RC20xl for vocals. I'd love to be able to sync loops using mic/guitar and the RC50 sounds great. At the moment it's impossible using two separate units.

But it would probably cause problems if the guitar/vox couldn't go to two separate places because I'd be in control of the overall balance rather than the sound guy - probably not sensible!

Really grateful for anyone's advice... Sorry that this is more of a question than discussion topic, by the way...

Stuart

What kind of emailer are you? Find out today - get a free analysis of your email personality. Take the quiz at the Yahoo! Mail Championship. --0-1109567143-1181910651=:31550-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 15 13:35:03 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 089013BF08; Fri, 15 Jun 2007 13:35:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-UNTD-OriginStamp: o/bIkQeVaBme+Zo4dBx9J3z9cjG/B/JJu42/sYIZnJj7MSq1WU3Y4e1qoJYgRexc X-Originating-IP: [67.150.68.212] Mime-Version: 1.0 From: "stillllscary@netzero.net" Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2007 13:33:17 GMT To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Cc: stillllscary@netzero.net Subject: re: laptops and performance enhancement X-Mailer: Webmail Version 4.0 Message-Id: <20070615.063317.6913.0@webmail16.lax.untd.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative;boundary="--__JWM__J7e13.614fS.5484M" X-ContentStamp: 1:1:360113475 X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 10.131.27.156|webmail16.lax.untd.com|webmail16.lax.untd.com|stillllscary@netzero.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71222 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2007 13:35:02 +0000 (UTC) ----__JWM__J7e13.614fS.5484M Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain i would love to use a laptop in performance-id watch strange and prevers= e programing while i perform....loopin guitar-watchin aqua teen hunger f= orce - smoking finger hash - with some of those brian eno cards thrown a= skew about my feet - playing high stakes on line poker - while trippin b= alls....multi-tasking who cares about an audience if your having f= un... light years behind, Danny/scary ----__JWM__J7e13.614fS.5484M Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/html
i would love to use a laptop in performance-id watch strange an= d preverse programing while i perform....loopin guitar-watchin aqua teen= hunger force - smoking finger hash - with some of those brian eno = cards thrown askew about my feet - playing high stakes on line poker - w= hile trippin balls....multi-tasking       = who cares about an audience if your having fun...

    light years behind, Danny/scary
----__JWM__J7e13.614fS.5484M-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 15 13:54:14 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 832C63BF11; Fri, 15 Jun 2007 13:54:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-SBRS: -2.0 X-RemoteIP: 80.47.32.105 X-Cloudmark-SP-Filtered: true X-Cloudmark-SP-Result: v=1.0 c=0 a=AzXErfaPqn8Rg5Gm-IoA:9 a=p3gymf_bI-FyA2ouD5DtQmLglGwA:4 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AsJ1AOc1ckZQLyBpUGdsb2JhbACCHoUUiAQBAT8BnX4 X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.16,425,1175468400"; d="scan'208";a="2234884" Message-ID: <46729A0C.10506@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2007 14:54:20 +0100 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Case against laptops References: <5.2.1.1.0.20070614095623.02c7b008@mail.onemodelplace.com> <0d8001c7aeaa$2e542bd0$6401a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> <4671AB47.6070400@tiscali.co.uk> <0ec901c7aefe$5c6a6030$6401a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> In-Reply-To: <0ec901c7aefe$5c6a6030$6401a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <5A4oTB.A.tTF.FopcGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71223 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2007 13:54:14 +0000 (UTC) Krispen Hartung wrote: > No, but I can imagine someone programming it for him so that he could > just press buttons on a floorboard to control it. With money, resources, > and fame, anything is possible. :) > > Case re-opened....again. hah hah. > > Kris > that's a knit well picked andy :-) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 15 13:55:41 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7D4F43BF12; Fri, 15 Jun 2007 13:55:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: <863482.31550.qm@web27002.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> References: <863482.31550.qm@web27002.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <212B60F5-E47F-4548-9331-AB7EFC885DCE@mac.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Teddy Subject: Re: Boss RC50 - two inputs and two outputs? Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2007 09:55:38 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAA== X-Brightmail-scanned: yes Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71224 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2007 13:55:41 +0000 (UTC) yes, definitely Teddy On Jun 15, 2007, at 8:30 AM, Stuart Masters wrote: > Hello, > > I do apologise if this has already been coverered (I checked and > couldn't find anything on the archive) but does anyone know if it's > possible to plug a guitar and a mic into the RC50 and have them > come out of two separate outputs? > > I'm a singer/acoustic performer and I'm currently using a Headrush > E2 for guitar and a Boss RC20xl for vocals. I'd love to be able to > sync loops using mic/guitar and the RC50 sounds great. At the > moment it's impossible using two separate units. > > But it would probably cause problems if the guitar/vox couldn't go > to two separate places because I'd be in control of the overall > balance rather than the sound guy - probably not sensible! > > Really grateful for anyone's advice... Sorry that this is more of a > question than discussion topic, by the way... > > Stuart From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 15 14:12:22 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0CBBD3BEFA; Fri, 15 Jun 2007 14:12:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=4CyxaY8vCHcWLktb8t6Om4i/ujvR3A7fXcUQnT4ndGh2voGc6gXS+uJGLA9+Ad2L3jpo5zTqTTRSYO+AmpOjUlxMEX/0OdsfY1HMEd0Q3jpW9PhbfVNv64CupU+RyXuxMQPITddsGC24KYyXYMJiYCz4eO0B6Fbgg/Apx3Y5M5Y= ; Message-ID: <20070615141221.21805.qmail@web51507.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: 5VEBg8kVM1mb9R1F_zEFIrxMqBwlijaW7DWzb_le_4QGDjwZ_POaAR1Yuszo2CJ258La8uH4LDFyJ0dHcdaOsIKncM.d4FsHfAyjQGk4ZjKbd1PclVQ- Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2007 07:12:21 -0700 (PDT) From: Marc Marshall Subject: Re: Boss RC50 - two inputs and two outputs? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <212B60F5-E47F-4548-9331-AB7EFC885DCE@mac.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-139952240-1181916741=:21314" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71225 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2007 14:12:21 +0000 (UTC) --0-139952240-1181916741=:21314 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit it's easy, just read the manual. You can assign all inputs to MAIN, SUB or MAIN & SUB outputs' Teddy wrote: yes, definitely Teddy On Jun 15, 2007, at 8:30 AM, Stuart Masters wrote: > Hello, > > I do apologise if this has already been coverered (I checked and > couldn't find anything on the archive) but does anyone know if it's > possible to plug a guitar and a mic into the RC50 and have them > come out of two separate outputs? > > I'm a singer/acoustic performer and I'm currently using a Headrush > E2 for guitar and a Boss RC20xl for vocals. I'd love to be able to > sync loops using mic/guitar and the RC50 sounds great. At the > moment it's impossible using two separate units. > > But it would probably cause problems if the guitar/vox couldn't go > to two separate places because I'd be in control of the overall > balance rather than the sound guy - probably not sensible! > > Really grateful for anyone's advice... Sorry that this is more of a > question than discussion topic, by the way... > > Stuart --------------------------------- Pinpoint customers who are looking for what you sell. --0-139952240-1181916741=:21314 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit it's easy, just read the manual. You can assign all inputs to MAIN, SUB or MAIN & SUB outputs'

Teddy <teddybutter@mac.com> wrote:
yes, definitely

Teddy

On Jun 15, 2007, at 8:30 AM, Stuart Masters wrote:

> Hello,
>
> I do apologise if this has already been coverered (I checked and
> couldn't find anything on the archive) but does anyone know if it's
> possible to plug a guitar and a mic into the RC50 and have them
> come out of two separate outputs?
>
> I'm a singer/acoustic performer and I'm currently using a Headrush
> E2 for guitar and a Boss RC20xl for vocals. I'd love to be able to
> sync loops using mic/guitar and the RC50 sounds great. At the
> moment it's impossible using two separate units.
>
> But it would probably cause problems if the guitar/vox couldn't go
> to two separate places because I'd be in control of the overall
> balance rather than the sound guy - probably not sensible!
>
> Really grateful for anyone's advice... Sorry that this is more of a
> question than discussion topic, by the way...
>
> Stuart

Pinpoint customers who are looking for what you sell. --0-139952240-1181916741=:21314-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 15 14:23:22 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5EA433BF10; Fri, 15 Jun 2007 14:23:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: midifriedchicken@comcast.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Boss RC50 - two inputs and two outputs? Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2007 14:23:20 +0000 Message-Id: <061520071423.11346.4672A0D80008257400002C522212020784020A050C07080C0B0A079D00070B0703@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Oct 4 2006) X-Authenticated-Sender: bWlkaWZyaWVkY2hpY2tlbkBjb21jYXN0Lm5ldA== MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_11346_1181917400_0" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71226 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2007 14:23:22 +0000 (UTC) --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_11346_1181917400_0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I thought that feature was a useless bell. Or was it a whistle. -------------- Original message -------------- From: Marc Marshall it's easy, just read the manual. You can assign all inputs to MAIN, SUB or MAIN & SUB outputs' Teddy wrote: yes, definitely Teddy On Jun 15, 2007, at 8:30 AM, Stuart Masters wrote: > Hello, > > I do apologise if this has already been coverered (I checked and > couldn't find anything on the archive) but does anyone know if it's > possible to plug a guitar and a mic into the RC50 and have them > come out of two separate outputs? > > I'm a singer/acoustic performer and I'm currently using a Headrush > E2 for guitar and a Boss RC20xl for vocals. I'd love to be able to > sync loops using mic/guitar and the RC50 sounds great. At the > moment it's impossible using two separate units. > > But it would probably cause problems if the guitar/vox couldn't go > to two separate places because I'd be in control of the overall > balance rather than the sound guy - probably not sensible! > > Really grateful for anyone's advice... Sorry that this is more of a > question than discussion topic, by the way... > > Stuart Pinpoint customers who are looking for what you sell. --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_11346_1181917400_0 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
I thought that feature was a useless bell. Or was it a whistle.

-------------- Original message --------------
From: Marc Marshall <agentlesoul2004@yahoo.com>
it's easy, just read the manual. You can assign all inputs to MAIN, SUB or MAIN & SUB outputs'

Teddy <teddybutter@mac.com> wrote:
yes, definitely

Teddy

On Jun 15, 2007, at 8:30 AM, Stuart Masters wrote:

> Hello,
>
> I do apologise if this has already been coverered (I checked and
> couldn't find anything on the archive) but does anyone know if it's
> possible to plug a guitar and a mic into the RC50 and have them
> come out of two separate outputs?
>
> I'm a singer/acoustic performer and I'm currently using a Headrush
> E2 for guitar and a Boss RC20xl for vocals. I'd love to be able to
> sync loops using mic/guitar and the RC50 sounds great. At the
> moment it's impossible using two separate units.
>
> But it would probably cause problems if the guitar/vox couldn't go
> to two separate places because I'd be in control of the overall
> balance rather than the sound guy - probably not sensi ble!
>
> Really grateful for anyone's advice... Sorry that this is more of a
> question than discussion topic, by the way...
>
> Stuart

Pinpoint customers who are looking for what you sell.
--NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_11346_1181917400_0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 15 14:24:03 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D355B3BF0E; Fri, 15 Jun 2007 14:24:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: midifriedchicken@comcast.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: [OT] mic recommendations Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2007 14:24:02 +0000 Message-Id: <061520071424.13511.4672A1020003C7C6000034C72212020784020A050C07080C0B0A079D00070B0703@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Oct 4 2006) X-Authenticated-Sender: bWlkaWZyaWVkY2hpY2tlbkBjb21jYXN0Lm5ldA== MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_13511_1181917442_0" Resent-Message-ID: <3r7TVC.A.RLH.DEqcGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71227 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2007 14:24:03 +0000 (UTC) --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_13511_1181917442_0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit My Rode NT1 has never let me down . -------------- Original message -------------- From: Os > Hi, > > I wondered if you guys could recommend me a mic. I'm looking at > getting a mid-range condenser mic, for general purpose use but > definitely for female vocals, cello and (to a lesser extent) guitar > amps. > > From reading reviews, I'm currently considering a Audio Technica 4040 > or a Rode NT1000. > > Any suggestions welcome! > > > cheers, > os. > > -- > os@collective.co.uk > http://www.collective.co.uk/ > http://www.myspace.com/darkroomtheband > --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_13511_1181917442_0 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
My Rode NT1 has never let me down .

-------------- Original message --------------
From: Os <os@collective.co.uk>

> Hi,
>
> I wondered if you guys could recommend me a mic. I'm looking at
> getting a mid-range condenser mic, for general purpose use but
> definitely for female vocals, cello and (to a lesser extent) guitar
> amps.
>
> From reading reviews, I'm currently considering a Audio Technica 4040
> or a Rode NT1000.
>
> Any suggestions welcome!
>
>
> cheers,
> os.
>
> --
> os@collective.co.uk
> http://www.collective.co.uk/
> http://www.myspace.com/darkroomtheband
>
--NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_13511_1181917442_0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 15 14:46:55 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 384873BF18; Fri, 15 Jun 2007 14:46:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=6Sgys1s6WGxU3sEgSTOaJo+edyO5368LxnLTYQ/5f3qX6vU6Wxd/f+xmxHsAUY+KjeMqAookyVlP9weAKSci8XgV+qmIkOO8/UEEwH2Dt+XBRRWmw0LKXfVIU1UWtwaRbwKHekhelNB/dP49sUoz+heMx86ofcZOqDZQ3i1ZF9U= ; Message-ID: <20070615144653.37238.qmail@web51507.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: 0TpMyIQVM1k75yhoO6hYrnNUqBRMqFp5P9swvMrOEdJbCXvdFlhJO_bpH9nqvZmUqOMerkneq9jjFPY6u2WyngWhOXznrzPirUlBNxQhUbQPDOfbfVBffvGCM2S9HG2m8OLt0KOYDauCk1s- Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2007 07:46:53 -0700 (PDT) From: Marc Marshall Subject: Re: Boss RC50 - two inputs and two outputs? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <061520071423.11346.4672A0D80008257400002C522212020784020A050C07080C0B0A079D00070B0703@comcast.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-905098061-1181918813=:37228" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71228 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2007 14:46:55 +0000 (UTC) --0-905098061-1181918813=:37228 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I love the feature. I can run my guitar into it and send it to my Mesa Boogie amp and run a mike into it, and run it into the PA. I aslo should mention you can assign pan for each track as well as assign the output location. It works great in the effects loop of my studio mixer as I can loop anything connected to the mixer. midifriedchicken@comcast.net wrote: I thought that feature was a useless bell. Or was it a whistle. -------------- Original message -------------- From: Marc Marshall it's easy, just read the manual. You can assign all inputs to MAIN, SUB or MAIN & SUB outputs' Teddy wrote: yes, definitely Teddy On Jun 15, 2007, at 8:30 AM, Stuart Masters wrote: > Hello, > > I do apologise if this has already been coverered (I checked and > couldn't find anything on the archive) but does anyone know if it's > possible to plug a guitar and a mic into the RC50 and have them > come out of two separate outputs? > > I'm a singer/acoustic performer and I'm currently using a Headrush > E2 for guitar and a Boss RC20xl for vocals. I'd love to be able to > sync loops using mic/guitar and the RC50 sounds great. At the > moment it's impossible using two separate units. > > But it would probably cause problems if the guitar/vox couldn't go > to two separate places because I'd be in control of the overall > balance rather than the sound guy - probably not sensi ble! > > Really grateful for anyone's advice... Sorry that this is more of a > question than discussion topic, by the way... > > Stuart --------------------------------- Pinpoint customers who are looking for what you sell. --------------------------------- Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life? Nope! - their life, your story. Play Sims Stories at Yahoo! Games. --0-905098061-1181918813=:37228 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
I love the feature.   I can run my guitar into it and send it to my Mesa Boogie amp and run a mike into it, and run it into the PA. I aslo should mention you can assign pan for each track as well as assign the output location. It works great in the effects loop of my studio mixer as I can loop anything connected to the mixer.

midifriedchicken@comcast.net wrote:

I thought that feature was a useless bell. Or was it a whistle.

-------------- Original message --------------
From: Marc Marshall <agentlesoul2004@yahoo.com>
it's easy, just read the manual. You can assign all inputs to MAIN, SUB or MAIN & SUB outputs'

Teddy <teddybutter@mac.com> wrote:
yes, definitely

Teddy

On Jun 15, 2007, at 8:30 AM, Stuart Masters wrote:

> Hello,
>
> I do apologise if this has already been coverered (I checked and
> couldn't find anything on the archive) but does anyone know if it's
> possible to plug a guitar and a mic into the RC50 and have them
> come out of two separate outputs?
>
> I'm a singer/acoustic performer and I'm currently using a Headrush
> E2 for guitar and a Boss RC20xl for vocals. I'd love to be able to
> sync loops using mic/guitar and the RC50 sounds great. At the
> moment it's impossible using two separate units.
>
> But it would probably cause problems if the guitar/vox couldn't go
> to two separate places because I'd be in control of the overall
> balance rather than the sound guy - probably not sensi ble!
>
> Really grateful for anyone's advice... Sorry that this is more of a
> question than discussion topic, by the way...
>
> Stuart

Pinpoint customers who are looking for what you sell.

Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life? Nope! - their life, your story.
Play Sims Stories at Yahoo! Games. --0-905098061-1181918813=:37228-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 15 15:16:24 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 326143BF15; Fri, 15 Jun 2007 15:16:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <200706151516.l5FFGDAr015251@mail.cruzio.com> Reply-To: From: "William Walker" To: "'Os'" , Subject: RE: [OT] mic recommendations Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2007 08:16:14 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Thread-Index: AcevXHfG6GKqDcv0TNSGkYIArB+BogAAb/vw In-Reply-To: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.6 required=1.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,AWL,MISSING_MID autolearn=disabled version=3.2.0 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.0 (2007-05-01) on mail.cruzio.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71229 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2007 15:16:24 +0000 (UTC) Both Mic's you mentioned are excellent choices, the Rode being perhaps the warmer more forgiving sounding of the two and the Audio technical being the more precise, with less coloration. I own a 4050 which has two capsules and thus a bit more versatility than the 4040. But unless you are going to use a figure 8 pattern, which I have all of twice, you probably don't need to spend the extra cash. I think AT make great mikes, I also have a hand held condenser they no longer make called a 4055. Mine was actually used at the 42 grammy awards, which means there is a good possibility that either Michael Bolton or Celine Dion's spit and DNA are all over this puppy...sweet.... I have found the 4055 an excellent mike for guitar amps as is the 4050. The 4050 sounds fantastic on acoustic guitars. I'll use it with a small condenser instead of the more typical two small condenser array. The 4050 really makes small body guitars sound huge. Good Luck Bill . -----Original Message----- From: Os [mailto:os@collective.co.uk] Sent: Friday, June 15, 2007 1:26 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: [OT] mic recommendations Hi, I wondered if you guys could recommend me a mic. I'm looking at getting a mid-range condenser mic, for general purpose use but definitely for female vocals, cello and (to a lesser extent) guitar amps. >From reading reviews, I'm currently considering a Audio Technica 4040 or a Rode NT1000. Any suggestions welcome! cheers, os. -- os@collective.co.uk http://www.collective.co.uk/ http://www.myspace.com/darkroomtheband From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 15 15:21:15 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 948DA3BF21; Fri, 15 Jun 2007 15:21:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Subject: RE: [OT] mic recommendations Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2007 10:21:13 -0500 Message-ID: <754FACAF985AF346A216CAE674CA22A602D3E8@es002.WSI-MAIN.COM> In-Reply-To: <200706151516.l5FFGDAr015251@mail.cruzio.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [OT] mic recommendations Thread-Index: AcevXHfG6GKqDcv0TNSGkYIArB+BogAAb/vwAACKLkA= From: "Jim Bailey" To: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71230 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2007 15:21:15 +0000 (UTC) Unless your band has a full time sound guy at shows(that knows what he is doing), I have found condenser mics way too much trouble in a live setting. A good Dynamic is is usually a lot less "feedbacky" -----Original Message----- From: William Walker [mailto:billwalker@baymoon.com]=20 Sent: Friday, June 15, 2007 10:16 AM To: 'Os'; Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: [OT] mic recommendations Both Mic's you mentioned are excellent choices, the Rode being perhaps the warmer more forgiving sounding of the two and the Audio technical being the more precise, with less coloration. I own a 4050 which has two capsules and thus a bit more versatility than the 4040. But unless you are going to use a figure 8 pattern, which I have all of twice, you probably don't need to spend the extra cash. I think AT make great mikes, I also have a hand held condenser they no longer make called a 4055. Mine was actually used at the 42 grammy awards, which means there is a good possibility that either Michael Bolton or Celine Dion's spit and DNA are all over this puppy...sweet.... I have found the 4055 an excellent mike for guitar amps as is the 4050. The 4050 sounds fantastic on acoustic guitars. I'll use it with a small condenser instead of the more typical two small condenser array. The 4050 really makes small body guitars sound huge. Good Luck Bill . -----Original Message----- From: Os [mailto:os@collective.co.uk]=20 Sent: Friday, June 15, 2007 1:26 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: [OT] mic recommendations Hi, I wondered if you guys could recommend me a mic. I'm looking at getting a mid-range condenser mic, for general purpose use but definitely for female vocals, cello and (to a lesser extent) guitar amps. >From reading reviews, I'm currently considering a Audio Technica 4040 or a Rode NT1000. Any suggestions welcome! cheers, os. --=20 os@collective.co.uk http://www.collective.co.uk/ http://www.myspace.com/darkroomtheband From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 15 15:41:38 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 447903BF18; Fri, 15 Jun 2007 15:41:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: [OT] mic recommendations Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2007 17:41:55 +0200 Organization: Moinlabs Message-ID: <001601c7af63$b3e5e680$1001a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Thread-Index: AcevJty3GnOzdVwoRoC2EIfY652OFgAPIJLw X-RZG-AUTH: lUESeo99iNzPL8kuBgLYdKEqUywq9cxqeRA+BtFcSCD5deQ7OINF0TR3cns= X-RZG-CLASS-ID: mo07 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71231 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2007 15:41:38 +0000 (UTC) Personal two cents about your own ideas and other suggestions: Both for female vocals and cello you might want something people tend to call "warmth" - this is why I wouldn't fully support the NT1 suggestion I read here (the original NT1 is a little better to this regard than the NT1A). I personally don't have the ATM4040 but the 4050 instead, and I can second Bill's opinion - an excellent all-purpose large-diaphragm condenser. Rainer From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 15 16:01:30 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DFC343BF27; Fri, 15 Jun 2007 16:01:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <001601c7af63$b3e5e680$1001a8c0@succubus> References: <001601c7af63$b3e5e680$1001a8c0@succubus> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-4--394885256 Message-Id: <1c7d3c26884eaa303cc9d1ab61b36d94@glasswing.com> From: Richard Sales Subject: Re: [OT] mic recommendations Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2007 09:01:01 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71232 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2007 16:01:30 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-4--394885256 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Pacific Pro Audio in Seattle sells a nice and very cheap Neumann U67=20 knock off. Around 100 bucks! If it's warmth you want, very hard to=20 beat for the price. Ask for Brian Cornfield and tell him Richard Sales sent you 200 First Ave. West, =A0Suite 502 =A0Seattle, WA 98119 =A0Tel :206-264-9386 =A0Fax:206-264-0140 =A0www.pacificproaudio.com richard sales glassWing farm and studio vancouver island, b.c. 800.545.6846 250.752.4816 www.glassWing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com On 15-Jun-07, at 8:41 AM, Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill wrote: > Personal two cents about your own ideas and other suggestions: > > Both for female vocals and cello you might want something people tend=20= > to > call "warmth" - this is why I wouldn't fully support the NT1=20 > suggestion I > read here (the original NT1 is a little better to this regard than the > NT1A). > > I personally don't have the ATM4040 but the 4050 instead, and I can=20 > second > Bill's opinion - an excellent all-purpose large-diaphragm condenser. > > Rainer > --Apple-Mail-4--394885256 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=ISO-8859-1 Pacific Pro Audio in Seattle sells a nice and very cheap Neumann U67 knock off. Around 100 bucks! If it's warmth you want, very hard to beat for the price. Ask for Brian Cornfield and tell him Richard Sales sent you = Arial0000,0000,FFFF200 First Ave. West, =A0Suite 502 0000,0000,FFFF =A0Seattle, WA 98119 0000,0000,FFFF =A0Tel :206-264-9386 0000,0000,FFFF =A0Fax:206-264-0140 0000,0000,FFFF =A0www.pacificproaudio.com Gadgetrichard sales 7373,7F7F,C5C5glassWing farm and studio vancouver island, b.c. 800.545.6846 250.752.4816C3C3,9696,1C1C www.glassWing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com On 15-Jun-07, at 8:41 AM, Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill wrote: Personal two cents about your own ideas and other suggestions:=20 Both for female vocals and cello you might want something people tend to call "warmth" - this is why I wouldn't fully support the NT1 suggestion I read here (the original NT1 is a little better to this regard than the NT1A). I personally don't have the ATM4040 but the 4050 instead, and I can second Bill's opinion - an excellent all-purpose large-diaphragm condenser. Rainer = --Apple-Mail-4--394885256-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 15 16:16:56 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DDB3F3BF2C; Fri, 15 Jun 2007 16:16:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=FOcIwX0WyXPb/RcrKVhXudlmtg/4D3kW5PZgtj07EEWC8uIGDaBW7N624rMsvzUroCTZOhrwtFRxP7mOUdQcwwEZpYXgNdaWzttxSCbALr8CZHFYPtxPSFYt6AiwHHnrPAbyWvyfYX2odEd+3D7mrBFrBNTh9FNllK8XhKFBiRw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=aAL00/vrEVrb9OkdhTJ6JSWp48AbZxtM4TmxsQe3rG982mmrtOCbTpiMqekJEJJ2u2Bj7KdBIVbKG2bykchmexNQGvX3ABzcOwXOm1SQt23ON2kySVX8pvv5shNWsJhx89PH8+nq/H4xgzKsyFCAy0r8w/iK9WKpoLMGC/a63fw= Message-ID: <4cf76a0b0706150916u3f0c9964ybbfa2c00866ad944@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2007 09:16:54 -0700 From: "miles ward" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: laptops and performance In-Reply-To: <004b01c7af25$aa5beb70$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <004b01c7af25$aa5beb70$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71233 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2007 16:16:56 +0000 (UTC) I agree; that's the central challenge with digital instruments from my opinion, as amazing as they are at doing things _exactly_ how do you take that energy from the crowd and turn it back around into more energetic playing? click harder? Still frustrated that there's no midi controller for tuba... -Miles On 6/15/07, RICK WALKER wrote: > mech wrote: > "I'd agree that if an audience pays good money for a "traditional" > performance, they should most likely get what they pay for. However, > it's also perfectly viable to "erase" yourself from the performance > and let the music itself be the center of attention, IMNSHO." > > I see what you mean but this one thought hits me strongly > thinking about your post: > > If the performance (and musician) is not so important and only the music is, > why will people NOT pay to go see a show where you just put > your latest recording on with a fantastic sound system? > > There's no denying it, there is the potential for a lot of interactive > energy > between performers and audiences (even if the interaction is only that > the crowd is really excited to see the performer play) that makes the live > experience distincly different from the recorded experience. > > I've seen so many boring computer Goth shows in the past few > years..........most > of them , really, and yet, the lead singer of VNV Nation (a band that I"m > not even > particularly enamored of) can just make a huge sold out crowd go crazy just > because he is so passionate and throws himself into his singing. > He just plays to a backing track with another of my pet peeves, an > electronic > drummer who is obviously not playing all the drums on the track and it's > compelling as all hell. I don't even own his records but I love seeing him > perform. > He's totally inspirational. > Go figure! > > At the same time, I just saw the Police play their reunion concert last > night. > They had a hundred thousand dollar light computer/led light show. > Sting was in fantastic voice............just blew my mind what a much better > singer he is now than even back in their heyday. > Band sounded good and they played all the hits to an adoring crowd. > The band was animated and hopped all over the stage, lit incredibly well. > My wife and I both confessed afterwards that it just hadn't touched us > as at all, emotionally (and we're big fans). > Go figure! > > It's the anima of the performance that connects a lot of times. > Of course, it helps if the music is fantastic and compelling. > > All anyone needs to do is to go see Kid Beyond do a performance with a mic, > an FCB1010 and a laptop looping solution to know that > playing with a laptop is NOT INTRINSICALLY BORING. > > the point of all of this dialectic is that it is the gestalt that makes the > most difference: > that frequently elusive combination of wonderful music, interesting visual > presentation > and audience committment to the performance. > > It doesn't matter whether Hendrix would have used a strat or a Sony VAIO, > the question is, would you go to see him if he were still making compelling > music. > > rick walker > > -- ---Miles Ward From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 15 16:21:56 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9D2BE3BF2D; Fri, 15 Jun 2007 16:21:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <5.2.1.1.0.20070615091949.00dfba08@mail.onemodelplace.com> X-Sender: CaraQuinn@mail.onemodelplace.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.1 Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2007 09:22:16 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Cara Quinn Subject: Re: [OT] mic recommendations In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-8474E47 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71234 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2007 16:21:56 +0000 (UTC) One of my personal favs is the AKG C-1000S both for live / recording.... It's warm yet clear and glossy... smiles, CQ At 09:26 AM 6/15/2007 +0100, you wrote: >Hi, > >I wondered if you guys could recommend me a mic. I'm looking at >getting a mid-range condenser mic, for general purpose use but >definitely for female vocals, cello and (to a lesser extent) guitar >amps. > > From reading reviews, I'm currently considering a Audio Technica 4040 >or a Rode NT1000. > >Any suggestions welcome! > > >cheers, >os. > >-- >os@collective.co.uk >http://www.collective.co.uk/ >http://www.myspace.com/darkroomtheband > > > > > >-- >No virus found in this incoming message. >Checked by AVG Free Edition. >Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 269.8.13/844 - Release Date: 6/11/2007 >5:10 PM --- View my on-line portfolio at: http://www.onemodelplace.com/CaraQuinn "The only things I really think are important, are love, and each other. -Then, anything is possible..." http://home.earthlink.net/~cara-quinn -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 269.8.13/844 - Release Date: 6/11/2007 5:10 PM From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 15 17:07:40 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5C0BE3BF2A; Fri, 15 Jun 2007 17:07:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <4cf76a0b0706150916u3f0c9964ybbfa2c00866ad944@mail.gmail.com> References: <004b01c7af25$aa5beb70$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> <4cf76a0b0706150916u3f0c9964ybbfa2c00866ad944@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-2--390923722 Message-Id: <435a47331c4ac0e0702abd8e7ad8590a@glasswing.com> From: Richard Sales Subject: MIDI Tuba Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2007 10:07:02 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Resent-Message-ID: <4ICcwC.A.IJB.bdscGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71235 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2007 17:07:40 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-2--390923722 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Hey Miles I have a Roland guitar pickup that sticks on guitars (with dum dum - that stuff electricians use). Have NO IDEA if it would work on brass... or fiberglass in your case. Might need metal vibrating to pick up signal. Actually, being magnet based, I'm sure it needs metal wagging to get signal. It's like a record head - or six. I'm sure we could figure out some way to do it. Worst case using a mic and converter. But you're welcome to take the gtr pickup and experiment. I also have the rack interface (Roland GM 70) that converts it to MIDI. You can borrow that too. I never use em. Was gonna try it on the PRS 12 string but never got around to it. Anyone out there have any idea if this would work? richard sales glassWing farm and studio vancouver island, b.c. 800.545.6846 250.752.4816 www.glassWing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com On 15-Jun-07, at 9:16 AM, miles ward wrote: > I agree; that's the central challenge with digital instruments from my > opinion, as amazing as they are at doing things _exactly_ how do you > take that energy from the crowd and turn it back around into more > energetic playing? click harder? > Still frustrated that there's no midi controller for tuba... > -Miles > > On 6/15/07, RICK WALKER wrote: >> mech wrote: >> "I'd agree that if an audience pays good money for a "traditional" >> performance, they should most likely get what they pay for. However, >> it's also perfectly viable to "erase" yourself from the performance >> and let the music itself be the center of attention, IMNSHO." >> >> I see what you mean but this one thought hits me strongly >> thinking about your post: >> >> If the performance (and musician) is not so important and only the >> music is, >> why will people NOT pay to go see a show where you just put >> your latest recording on with a fantastic sound system? >> >> There's no denying it, there is the potential for a lot of >> interactive >> energy >> between performers and audiences (even if the interaction is only that >> the crowd is really excited to see the performer play) that makes the >> live >> experience distincly different from the recorded experience. >> >> I've seen so many boring computer Goth shows in the past few >> years..........most >> of them , really, and yet, the lead singer of VNV Nation (a band >> that I"m >> not even >> particularly enamored of) can just make a huge sold out crowd go >> crazy just >> because he is so passionate and throws himself into his singing. >> He just plays to a backing track with another of my pet peeves, an >> electronic >> drummer who is obviously not playing all the drums on the track and >> it's >> compelling as all hell. I don't even own his records but I love >> seeing him >> perform. >> He's totally inspirational. >> Go figure! >> >> At the same time, I just saw the Police play their reunion concert >> last >> night. >> They had a hundred thousand dollar light computer/led light show. >> Sting was in fantastic voice............just blew my mind what a much >> better >> singer he is now than even back in their heyday. >> Band sounded good and they played all the hits to an adoring crowd. >> The band was animated and hopped all over the stage, lit incredibly >> well. >> My wife and I both confessed afterwards that it just hadn't touched us >> as at all, emotionally (and we're big fans). >> Go figure! >> >> It's the anima of the performance that connects a lot of times. >> Of course, it helps if the music is fantastic and compelling. >> >> All anyone needs to do is to go see Kid Beyond do a performance with >> a mic, >> an FCB1010 and a laptop looping solution to know that >> playing with a laptop is NOT INTRINSICALLY BORING. >> >> the point of all of this dialectic is that it is the gestalt that >> makes the >> most difference: >> that frequently elusive combination of wonderful music, interesting >> visual >> presentation >> and audience committment to the performance. >> >> It doesn't matter whether Hendrix would have used a strat or a Sony >> VAIO, >> the question is, would you go to see him if he were still making >> compelling >> music. >> >> rick walker >> >> > > > -- > ---Miles Ward > --Apple-Mail-2--390923722 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=US-ASCII Hey Miles I have a Roland guitar pickup that sticks on guitars (with dum dum - that stuff electricians use). Have NO IDEA if it would work on brass... or fiberglass in your case. Might need metal vibrating to pick up signal. Actually, being magnet based, I'm sure it needs metal wagging to get signal. It's like a record head - or six. I'm sure we could figure out some way to do it. Worst case using a mic and converter. But you're welcome to take the gtr pickup and experiment. I also have the rack interface (Roland GM 70) that converts it to MIDI. You can borrow that too. I never use em. Was gonna try it on the PRS 12 string but never got around to it. Anyone out there have any idea if this would work? Gadgetrichard sales 7373,7F7F,C5C5glassWing farm and studio vancouver island, b.c. 800.545.6846 250.752.4816C3C3,9696,1C1C www.glassWing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com On 15-Jun-07, at 9:16 AM, miles ward wrote: I agree; that's the central challenge with digital instruments from my opinion, as amazing as they are at doing things _exactly_ how do you take that energy from the crowd and turn it back around into more energetic playing? click harder? Still frustrated that there's no midi controller for tuba... -Miles On 6/15/07, RICK WALKER < wrote: mech wrote: "I'd agree that if an audience pays good money for a "traditional" performance, they should most likely get what they pay for. However, it's also perfectly viable to "erase" yourself from the performance and let the music itself be the center of attention, IMNSHO." I see what you mean but this one thought hits me strongly thinking about your post: If the performance (and musician) is not so important and only the music is, why will people NOT pay to go see a show where you just put your latest recording on with a fantastic sound system? There's no denying it, there is the potential for a lot of interactive energy between performers and audiences (even if the interaction is only that the crowd is really excited to see the performer play) that makes the live experience distincly different from the recorded experience. I've seen so many boring computer Goth shows in the past few years..........most of them , really, and yet, the lead singer of VNV Nation (a band that I"m not even particularly enamored of) can just make a huge sold out crowd go crazy just because he is so passionate and throws himself into his singing. He just plays to a backing track with another of my pet peeves, an electronic drummer who is obviously not playing all the drums on the track and it's compelling as all hell. I don't even own his records but I love seeing him perform. He's totally inspirational. Go figure! At the same time, I just saw the Police play their reunion concert last night. They had a hundred thousand dollar light computer/led light show. Sting was in fantastic voice............just blew my mind what a much better singer he is now than even back in their heyday. Band sounded good and they played all the hits to an adoring crowd. The band was animated and hopped all over the stage, lit incredibly well. My wife and I both confessed afterwards that it just hadn't touched us as at all, emotionally (and we're big fans). Go figure! It's the anima of the performance that connects a lot of times. Of course, it helps if the music is fantastic and compelling. All anyone needs to do is to go see Kid Beyond do a performance with a mic, an FCB1010 and a laptop looping solution to know that playing with a laptop is NOT INTRINSICALLY BORING. the point of all of this dialectic is that it is the gestalt that makes the most difference: that frequently elusive combination of wonderful music, interesting visual presentation and audience committment to the performance. It doesn't matter whether Hendrix would have used a strat or a Sony VAIO, the question is, would you go to see him if he were still making compelling music. rick walker -- ---Miles Ward --Apple-Mail-2--390923722-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 15 17:11:02 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4D4483BF34; Fri, 15 Jun 2007 17:11:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2007 13:12:14 -0400 From: Bill Fox Subject: Galactic Travels Playlist #533 for June 14, 2007 To: undisclosed-recipients: ; Message-id: <4672C86E.7050302@soundscapes.us> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.12 (Windows/20070509) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71236 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2007 17:11:02 +0000 (UTC) http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2007/070614.html Galactic Travels is an electronic, ambient, and space music show, that airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA, 93.9 FM in Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ, 93.7 FM in Fogelsville and Trexlertown, and webcasting on the internet. WDIY also broadcasts in Digital HD at 88.1 FM. Show #533 June 14, 2007 RECAP: On this show, I started a month-long focus on Robert Rich. The Featured CD at Midnight was "Echo of Small Things" on Soundscape Records. I played the music of the acts that will play at the Star's End 30th Anniversary Spacemusic Festival this Saturday; Robert Rich and Ian Boddy, Jeff Pearce, The Ministry of Inside Things, and Orbital Decay. Robert Rich: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2007/focus.html#jun Star's End 30th Anniversary Spacemusic Festival: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/events.html PLAYLIST: 11:04 pm ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ==================== ==================== ============================== Jeff Pearce Rain As A Metaphor To the Shores of Heaven (Hypnos) Robert Rich and Threshold Lithosphere (DiN) Ian Boddy Rich and Boddy Vent Lithosphere (DiN) Rich and Boddy Chamber Lithosphere (DiN) Rich and Boddy Glass Lithosphere (DiN) The Ministry of Function Four Everlasting Moment (Synkronos) Inside Things Orbital Decay Tangent Orbital Decay (none) Klaus Schulze Schruer Der Vorwelt Ballett 3 (Revisited) 12:00 am ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ==================== ==================== ============================== Robert Rich Pathways Echo of Small Things (Soundscape) Robert Rich Fences EoST (Soundscape) Robert Rich Circle Unwound EoST (Soundscape) Robert Rich Passing Terrain EoST (Soundscape) Robert Rich Glint In Her Eyes EoST (Soundscape) Robert Rich Scent of Night EoST (Soundscape) Jasmine Robert Rich Summer Thunder EoST (Soundscape) Robert Rich Hollow Rings Longer EoST (Soundscape) Robert Rich Weightless Morning EoST (Soundscape) 1:00 am * = excerpt VA = Various Artists (compilation) ++ = Advance CDR from Artist NEXT SHOW: On the next Galactic Travels, I'll continue the month-long focus on Robert Rich. The Featured CD at Midnight will be "Calling Down the Sky" on Soundscape Records. Bill ======================================================================= Host of Galactic Travels, an electronic, ambient, and space music show, Thursdays at 11:04 pm EDT (GMT-4:00) on WDIY 88.1 FM in Allentown and Bethlehem, 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg, and on 93.7 FM in Trexlertown and Fogelsville. WDIY also broadcasts in HD Digital Radio on 88.1 FM. Galactic Travels web site - http://wdiy.org/programs/gt RSS News Feed: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/rss/enews.xml Podcasts: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/rss/gt.xml Listen on-line to WDIY at http://wdiy.org and click on the LISTEN link or go directly to: http://rm1.refugemedia.com/ramgen/encoder/wdiy.rm To subscribe to the galactic-travels mailing list, click on [Join This Group!] at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/galactic-travels Playlists are also published at: h t t p : / / b i l l f o x . b l o g s p o t . c o m RSS (2.0) feed from: h t t p : / / b i l l f o x . b l o g s p o t . c o m / r s s . x m l Atom (0.3) feed from: h t t p : // b i l l f o x . b l o g s p o t . c o m / a t o m . x m l From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 15 17:11:44 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5A3E83BF3A; Fri, 15 Jun 2007 17:11:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <4cf76a0b0706150916u3f0c9964ybbfa2c00866ad944@mail.gmail.com> References: <004b01c7af25$aa5beb70$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> <4cf76a0b0706150916u3f0c9964ybbfa2c00866ad944@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-4--390644825 Message-Id: <7aa395cb6eff7af2170e85b1b4bd1078@glasswing.com> From: Richard Sales Subject: Re: laptops and performance Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2007 10:11:41 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Resent-Message-ID: <9BLheC.A.hjB.PhscGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71237 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2007 17:11:44 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-4--390644825 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed And a free one! http://www.getfreesofts.com/soft/906/27483/ Intelliscore_Polyphonic_WAV_to_MIDI_Converter.html richard sales glassWing farm and studio vancouver island, b.c. 800.545.6846 250.752.4816 www.glassWing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com On 15-Jun-07, at 9:16 AM, miles ward wrote: > I agree; that's the central challenge with digital instruments from my > opinion, as amazing as they are at doing things _exactly_ how do you > take that energy from the crowd and turn it back around into more > energetic playing? click harder? > Still frustrated that there's no midi controller for tuba... > -Miles > > On 6/15/07, RICK WALKER wrote: >> mech wrote: >> "I'd agree that if an audience pays good money for a "traditional" >> performance, they should most likely get what they pay for. However, >> it's also perfectly viable to "erase" yourself from the performance >> and let the music itself be the center of attention, IMNSHO." >> >> I see what you mean but this one thought hits me strongly >> thinking about your post: >> >> If the performance (and musician) is not so important and only the >> music is, >> why will people NOT pay to go see a show where you just put >> your latest recording on with a fantastic sound system? >> >> There's no denying it, there is the potential for a lot of >> interactive >> energy >> between performers and audiences (even if the interaction is only that >> the crowd is really excited to see the performer play) that makes the >> live >> experience distincly different from the recorded experience. >> >> I've seen so many boring computer Goth shows in the past few >> years..........most >> of them , really, and yet, the lead singer of VNV Nation (a band >> that I"m >> not even >> particularly enamored of) can just make a huge sold out crowd go >> crazy just >> because he is so passionate and throws himself into his singing. >> He just plays to a backing track with another of my pet peeves, an >> electronic >> drummer who is obviously not playing all the drums on the track and >> it's >> compelling as all hell. I don't even own his records but I love >> seeing him >> perform. >> He's totally inspirational. >> Go figure! >> >> At the same time, I just saw the Police play their reunion concert >> last >> night. >> They had a hundred thousand dollar light computer/led light show. >> Sting was in fantastic voice............just blew my mind what a much >> better >> singer he is now than even back in their heyday. >> Band sounded good and they played all the hits to an adoring crowd. >> The band was animated and hopped all over the stage, lit incredibly >> well. >> My wife and I both confessed afterwards that it just hadn't touched us >> as at all, emotionally (and we're big fans). >> Go figure! >> >> It's the anima of the performance that connects a lot of times. >> Of course, it helps if the music is fantastic and compelling. >> >> All anyone needs to do is to go see Kid Beyond do a performance with >> a mic, >> an FCB1010 and a laptop looping solution to know that >> playing with a laptop is NOT INTRINSICALLY BORING. >> >> the point of all of this dialectic is that it is the gestalt that >> makes the >> most difference: >> that frequently elusive combination of wonderful music, interesting >> visual >> presentation >> and audience committment to the performance. >> >> It doesn't matter whether Hendrix would have used a strat or a Sony >> VAIO, >> the question is, would you go to see him if he were still making >> compelling >> music. >> >> rick walker >> >> > > > -- > ---Miles Ward > --Apple-Mail-4--390644825 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=US-ASCII And a free one! http://www.getfreesofts.com/soft/906/27483/Intelliscore_Polyphonic_WAV_to_MIDI_Converter.html Gadgetrichard sales 7373,7F7F,C5C5glassWing farm and studio vancouver island, b.c. 800.545.6846 250.752.4816C3C3,9696,1C1C www.glassWing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com On 15-Jun-07, at 9:16 AM, miles ward wrote: I agree; that's the central challenge with digital instruments from my opinion, as amazing as they are at doing things _exactly_ how do you take that energy from the crowd and turn it back around into more energetic playing? click harder? Still frustrated that there's no midi controller for tuba... -Miles On 6/15/07, RICK WALKER < wrote: mech wrote: "I'd agree that if an audience pays good money for a "traditional" performance, they should most likely get what they pay for. However, it's also perfectly viable to "erase" yourself from the performance and let the music itself be the center of attention, IMNSHO." I see what you mean but this one thought hits me strongly thinking about your post: If the performance (and musician) is not so important and only the music is, why will people NOT pay to go see a show where you just put your latest recording on with a fantastic sound system? There's no denying it, there is the potential for a lot of interactive energy between performers and audiences (even if the interaction is only that the crowd is really excited to see the performer play) that makes the live experience distincly different from the recorded experience. I've seen so many boring computer Goth shows in the past few years..........most of them , really, and yet, the lead singer of VNV Nation (a band that I"m not even particularly enamored of) can just make a huge sold out crowd go crazy just because he is so passionate and throws himself into his singing. He just plays to a backing track with another of my pet peeves, an electronic drummer who is obviously not playing all the drums on the track and it's compelling as all hell. I don't even own his records but I love seeing him perform. He's totally inspirational. Go figure! At the same time, I just saw the Police play their reunion concert last night. They had a hundred thousand dollar light computer/led light show. Sting was in fantastic voice............just blew my mind what a much better singer he is now than even back in their heyday. Band sounded good and they played all the hits to an adoring crowd. The band was animated and hopped all over the stage, lit incredibly well. My wife and I both confessed afterwards that it just hadn't touched us as at all, emotionally (and we're big fans). Go figure! It's the anima of the performance that connects a lot of times. Of course, it helps if the music is fantastic and compelling. All anyone needs to do is to go see Kid Beyond do a performance with a mic, an FCB1010 and a laptop looping solution to know that playing with a laptop is NOT INTRINSICALLY BORING. the point of all of this dialectic is that it is the gestalt that makes the most difference: that frequently elusive combination of wonderful music, interesting visual presentation and audience committment to the performance. It doesn't matter whether Hendrix would have used a strat or a Sony VAIO, the question is, would you go to see him if he were still making compelling music. rick walker -- ---Miles Ward --Apple-Mail-4--390644825-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 15 17:15:55 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0EC9C3BF2A; Fri, 15 Jun 2007 17:15:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2007 13:17:17 -0400 From: Bill Fox Subject: Re: Trouble Thinking of Loops Beyond the Initial Loop In-reply-to: <14100354.1181579886165.JavaMail.root@m11> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <4672C99D.1030202@soundscapes.us> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit References: <14100354.1181579886165.JavaMail.root@m11> User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.12 (Windows/20070509) Resent-Message-ID: <6pTgs.A.f0B.KlscGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71238 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2007 17:15:54 +0000 (UTC) stillllscary@netzero.net wrote: > > i would recommend sensory deprivation in conjunction with a strict > regimen of bong inhalation...if that doesnt help rinse and repeat... > > rinse and repeat... Insanity: Repeating an action and expecting a different result. ;-) (Sort of like making a computer follow instructions!) Cheers, Bill From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 15 17:19:39 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 402C73BF41; Fri, 15 Jun 2007 17:19:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=FGa0pKKdVZ7ka4oZgA3KcRcVc5irbN2hdB/2umdKeMC5IxIwJFnvEitOWQ9lIk7N4goapFkGuHqf20NYOmH8rP0tN+yuPF8xWRZUoVNlMwgPRccqQfKnXJagYKlpu6fQgpXHROWw2f21N9h5kTkrnP1Prx7kS1bLvTrwRB9ulV4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=k9pFD69FIAZIW28EgGYmT411O39tT17IZJNzapgs5yJl4ijxHY7f3caYStfjf0KpGl3yDL5lW8NmwzTQytz9ZskD3d/gyKk5nGMVKInNAVi+HF+Ls5wk0qLkwxrX+sy+5rAOCZwVnv8De1dpwAE2i7tk5/kNMy3D6XXoTiooOuo= Message-ID: Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2007 12:19:38 -0500 From: "Kelly Coyle" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Trouble Thinking of Loops Beyond the Initial Loop In-Reply-To: <4672C99D.1030202@soundscapes.us> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_68744_17166836.1181927978226" References: <14100354.1181579886165.JavaMail.root@m11> <4672C99D.1030202@soundscapes.us> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71239 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2007 17:19:39 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_68744_17166836.1181927978226 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline This isn't repeating an action, Bill. You would continue to get more sensory-deprived and more stoned. After a while, you would be looping unconsciousness. On 6/15/07, Bill Fox wrote: > > stillllscary@netzero.net wrote: > > > > i would recommend sensory deprivation in conjunction with a strict > > regimen of bong inhalation...if that doesnt help rinse and repeat... > > > > rinse and repeat... > > Insanity: Repeating an action and expecting a different result. ;-) > (Sort of like making a computer follow instructions!) > > Cheers, > > Bill > > ------=_Part_68744_17166836.1181927978226 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline This isn't repeating an action, Bill. You would continue to get more sensory-deprived and more stoned. After a while, you would be looping unconsciousness.

On 6/15/07, Bill Fox <billyfox@soundscapes.us> wrote:
stillllscary@netzero.net wrote:
>
> i would recommend sensory deprivation in conjunction with a strict
> regimen of bong inhalation...if that doesnt help rinse and repeat...
>
> rinse and repeat...

Insanity: Repeating an action and expecting a different result.   ;-)
(Sort of like making a computer follow instructions!)

Cheers,

Bill

------=_Part_68744_17166836.1181927978226-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 15 17:30:41 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 742D53BF34; Fri, 15 Jun 2007 17:30:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2007 13:32:04 -0400 From: Bill Fox Subject: Re: Trouble Thinking of Loops Beyond the Initial Loop In-reply-to: <1846341.1181576278089.JavaMail.root@m11> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <4672CD14.5010601@soundscapes.us> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit References: <1846341.1181576278089.JavaMail.root@m11> User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.12 (Windows/20070509) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71240 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2007 17:30:41 +0000 (UTC) Elmer Fuddski wrote: > Total Block! Total Block! (from House of 1000 Corpses). > I keep coming up with pretty good/interesting loops (guitar and drum > backing) with my RC-50. But, I can't seem to develop a corresponding > "verse" to the initial loop structure (following a somewhat standard > song structure). > Any ideas to help the creative juices flowing from this esteemed group > of musucians? If your "verse" were merely named the "A section," then you could free your mind from totally formal song structures, if you so desire. Now you can go to a "B section" with a little less trepidation regarding its content. Less trepidation will help unblock your thoughts. One trick for your B section would be to change something from the A section. For example, change the key. If "A" is in a major key, go to the parallel minor key (same tonic) or to the relative minor key (down a minor third). Or go up a full step. If "A" is in a minor key, one of my favorite modulations is down a half step to a major key. Both keys share the exact same note for their third degree. Example: "A" is in Am. It's third degree is C. Modulating to Ab for the "B" section, or second loop, keeps C as the third degree. There are lots of other modulations that are possible. Use one of them for your next loop or next song. Cheers, Bill From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 15 17:32:14 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8B51D3BF46; Fri, 15 Jun 2007 17:32:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <000301c7aead$7bfafcd0$1001a8c0@succubus> References: <000301c7aead$7bfafcd0$1001a8c0@succubus> Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2007 13:31:39 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Mech Subject: Re: AW: Looping with the KP3 Kaoss Pad (video) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71241 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2007 17:32:14 +0000 (UTC) At 7:57 PM +0200 6/14/07, Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill wrote: > > Hey Rainer, nice suit!!! ;) > >Thanks! It seems that most looping people prefer this (Boss) suit even to my >fifties' threepiece and to the cutaway stage clothing ;) What can I say: obviously we're distinguished connoisseurs of fashion around here, and know how to appreciate fine clothing. <*huge grin*> >(Sidenote: I already own a KP1 and >KP2. I got the KP2 for its MIDI sync capabilities, then found that it >doesn't have these nice, gritty, eighties-digital filters the KP1 has so I >had to keep the KP1. Yeah, similar situation here. I already had the KP1 but, after finding out they had switched out the filters, I just never got around to getting a KP2. Never having had a KP2, I'm glad to hear that you think the KP3 incorporates enough of the KP2 stuff to replace it wholesale. > > For some reason, I was previously under the impression that >> you needed to use the external editor to get a really clean >> loop. Thank you for showing how easy it actually is. > >There is only one point which might keep you from getting a clean loop (in >the timing sense): you have to select bpm (either by tapping or by >knobturning) and loop length (in beats) in advance. The BPM thing shouldn't be much of a problem. However, I have the irritating habit of miscalculating the number of measures I'll eventually want in a loop (calculating two measures, for instance, then deciding I should've allowed for four). So I'll probably goof that a few times before getting the hang of it. >If you meant a click-free loop with "clean loop", I heavily suspect it to >perform some non-destructive crossfading. That was more what I was concerned about: that you'd need to import the new loop into the remote editor to get it properly aligned and pop-free. The crossfading algorithm sounds pretty darn good though. > > Have you tried playing around with the loop re-ordering >> capabilities yet? > >As I understand, there is no re-ordering capability. The only things you can >do to an individual loop are: > * adjust volume > * turn on/off > * remove some of its eight slices > * slide by a maximum of 1 beat Perhaps re-ordering wasn't the best term. However, I was referring to removing loop slices. Saying that's re-ordering would be true in only the most technical sense. I really thought it was interesting that instead of merely muting the slices, Korg chose to actually pull them out of the loop entirely. So, in a repeating loop of eight notes, 12345678, you could skip the even-numbered slices, for example, and turn it into a four-note loop, 135713571357. Should make for some interesting loop mangling. Although it would be nice to have the ability to choose between muting or skipping the slices. You can probably accomplish the muting by applying one of the slicer/tremolo effects, then you can bounce the effected loop to a new track. That's a bit labor-intensive for a fairly simple function, however. And I haven't really experimented much with sliding the loops. I'd imagine that can make for some interesting polyrhythms too. >There is indeed a great lot of possible options I'd really like to see in >the KP3, at least some of which I believe would be easily possible...let's >all get together and pester Korg until they implement them! > >Some ideas: > * "initial loop functionality" > * panning of samples > * add/remove samples and the line in from being processed by the >effect > * playback of all samples continues when switching to sample edit > * reverse for entire samples and specific slices > * sliding/retriggering/stuttering > >Any more ideas? Well, if they implemented an overdub capability, that would probably encompass the "initial loop" function (ala the old Repeater kludge) at the same time. I think I'd vote for that one. You can implement some nice stuttering effects by using the granular and sampling effects already. More capability is obviously better, though. Also, sliding by more than a single beat would be very(!) desirable. I really like the idea of reversing individual slices too. And, of course, it would be nice if there were a feedback function of some sort. That would make it more a Looper and less a Phrase Sampler. But I have to wonder, has Korg ever released an OS update for these things that added any new functionality? Otherwise, we're just compiling a wishlist for the KP4. --m. -- _____ "I want to keep you alive so there is always the possibility of murder... later" From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 15 17:35:59 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 51EA43BF48; Fri, 15 Jun 2007 17:35:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Qua Veda" To: Subject: RE: laptops and performance Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2007 10:35:48 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Thread-Index: AcevbjojUXJbkWf2RR2gv+lWHZkxWwABNUeg In-Reply-To: <4cf76a0b0706150916u3f0c9964ybbfa2c00866ad944@mail.gmail.com> Message-Id: <200706151041640.SM03252@quahome> X-RBL-Warning: REVDNS: This E-mail was sent from a MUA/MTA 206.212.233.27 with no reverse DNS entry. X-Declude-Sender: qua@oregon.com [206.212.233.27] X-Declude-Spoolname: Dcf5000a400003b2b.smd X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude JunkMail (www.declude.com) for spam. Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71242 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2007 17:35:59 +0000 (UTC) Seems that Midi controllers (or other controllers) allow the computer to 'sit there crunching numbers' while the performer moves around or sets his/her hair on fire or whatever. Foot controllers, data goves, sensors, faders , eventually control surfaces like the Microsoft Surface, or perhaps floor sensors like disco floors, would allow for some intersting performances - whether the computer is a laptop or rack mount. -Qua -----Original Message----- From: miles ward [mailto:miles932@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, June 15, 2007 9:17 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: laptops and performance I agree; that's the central challenge with digital instruments from my opinion, as amazing as they are at doing things _exactly_ how do you take that energy from the crowd and turn it back around into more energetic playing? click harder? Still frustrated that there's no midi controller for tuba... -Miles From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 15 17:39:36 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 463003BF4A; Fri, 15 Jun 2007 17:39:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <4672CD14.5010601@soundscapes.us> References: <1846341.1181576278089.JavaMail.root@m11> <4672CD14.5010601@soundscapes.us> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-2--388973628 Message-Id: <8367bd1f9f81fdd26e6c47af0ccff0f6@glasswing.com> From: Richard Sales Subject: Re: Trouble Thinking of Loops Beyond the Initial Loop Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2007 10:39:32 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71243 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2007 17:39:36 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-2--388973628 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed One way I get around this is to imagine what Hendrix or someone would do. Usually it comes richard sales glassWing farm and studio vancouver island, b.c. 800.545.6846 250.752.4816 www.glassWing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com On 15-Jun-07, at 10:32 AM, Bill Fox wrote: > Elmer Fuddski wrote: >> Total Block! Total Block! (from House of 1000 Corpses). >> I keep coming up with pretty good/interesting loops (guitar and drum >> backing) with my RC-50. But, I can't seem to develop a corresponding >> "verse" to the initial loop structure (following a somewhat standard >> song structure). >> Any ideas to help the creative juices flowing from this esteemed >> group of musucians? > If your "verse" were merely named the "A section," then you could free > your mind from totally formal song structures, if you so desire. Now > you can go to a "B section" with a little less trepidation regarding > its content. Less trepidation will help unblock your thoughts. > > One trick for your B section would be to change something from the A > section. For example, change the key. If "A" is in a major key, go > to the parallel minor key (same tonic) or to the relative minor key > (down a minor third). Or go up a full step. > > If "A" is in a minor key, one of my favorite modulations is down a > half step to a major key. Both keys share the exact same note for > their third degree. Example: "A" is in Am. It's third degree is C. > Modulating to Ab for the "B" section, or second loop, keeps C as the > third degree. > > There are lots of other modulations that are possible. Use one of > them for your next loop or next song. > > Cheers, > > Bill > --Apple-Mail-2--388973628 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=US-ASCII One way I get around this is to imagine what Hendrix or someone would do. Usually it comes Gadgetrichard sales 7373,7F7F,C5C5glassWing farm and studio vancouver island, b.c. 800.545.6846 250.752.4816C3C3,9696,1C1C www.glassWing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com On 15-Jun-07, at 10:32 AM, Bill Fox wrote: Elmer Fuddski wrote: Total Block! Total Block! (from House of 1000 Corpses). I keep coming up with pretty good/interesting loops (guitar and drum backing) with my RC-50. But, I can't seem to develop a corresponding "verse" to the initial loop structure (following a somewhat standard song structure). Any ideas to help the creative juices flowing from this esteemed group of musucians? If your "verse" were merely named the "A section," then you could free your mind from totally formal song structures, if you so desire. Now you can go to a "B section" with a little less trepidation regarding its content. Less trepidation will help unblock your thoughts. One trick for your B section would be to change something from the A section. For example, change the key. If "A" is in a major key, go to the parallel minor key (same tonic) or to the relative minor key (down a minor third). Or go up a full step. If "A" is in a minor key, one of my favorite modulations is down a half step to a major key. Both keys share the exact same note for their third degree. Example: "A" is in Am. It's third degree is C. Modulating to Ab for the "B" section, or second loop, keeps C as the third degree. There are lots of other modulations that are possible. Use one of them for your next loop or next song. Cheers, Bill --Apple-Mail-2--388973628-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 15 17:46:56 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 61C9D3BF4C; Fri, 15 Jun 2007 17:46:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=b3XrvtwoKJ7vz2YMjAhUIWqHTQJ8Ycv5XmG+1sRmZ1aA9Rh75wI1Gr0WF0XzX1vvysAZEtWAmcleH0clxIMJtMl/q/3vnGKTONV2nWG2RiTWBUaEQipcl7Z0wCX/ICpopIOcb/uqplTiJvmnPAuldARNVwgPo+z9/TCREUReA/Q= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=S0eXknOwX9h5eWnON1884sNmuyDctKbkYHwbT2wAuaVwKOW8oTRlKeUU4IR2ucghqHfrd5mwh7xI9R2Zi/+cYHx5H6kMY1vK9eQBJHsJFrIxicyfbULNqRFYE0N9O4f+UOqhcf+HwsB3NKRuJQMkwqYDbhzdqom4czRmyJjGNxg= Message-ID: <4cf76a0b0706151046h3dee028k69f5c7b17e47854@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2007 10:46:53 -0700 From: "miles ward" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: laptops and performance In-Reply-To: <200706151041640.SM03252@quahome> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <4cf76a0b0706150916u3f0c9964ybbfa2c00866ad944@mail.gmail.com> <200706151041640.SM03252@quahome> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71244 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2007 17:46:56 +0000 (UTC) My good friend Lee is @ NYU working direct with Ken Perlin (Perlin Noise.. Genius) on a multi-touch, multi display panel that makes Surface look like a monochrome CRT. Not only senses multiple touches, senses proximity to the surface within 6 inches, and is projector based, so can illuminate above and below a clear panel, so there's lights projected down on your hands or other implements.. http://cs.nyu.edu/~jhan/ftirtouch/index.html It's acrylic based, so you should be able to make oddly shaped acrylic objects, and model touch on them... imagine a digital guitar that's just a big strat shaped piece of clear plastic, with no strings, that you can play?! We live in an amazing world. -Miles On 6/15/07, Qua Veda wrote: > Seems that Midi controllers (or other controllers) allow the computer to > 'sit there crunching numbers' while the performer moves around or sets > his/her hair on fire or whatever. > > Foot controllers, data goves, sensors, faders , eventually control surfaces > like the Microsoft Surface, or perhaps floor sensors like disco floors, > would allow for some intersting performances - whether the computer is a > laptop or rack mount. > > -Qua > > > -----Original Message----- > From: miles ward [mailto:miles932@gmail.com] > Sent: Friday, June 15, 2007 9:17 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: laptops and performance > > I agree; that's the central challenge with digital instruments from my > opinion, as amazing as they are at doing things _exactly_ how do you take > that energy from the crowd and turn it back around into more energetic > playing? click harder? > Still frustrated that there's no midi controller for tuba... > -Miles > > -- ---Miles Ward From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 15 17:49:01 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A599B3BF44; Fri, 15 Jun 2007 17:49:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <6761148.1181929740398.JavaMail.root@web40> Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2007 10:49:00 -0700 From: Paul Richards To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Trouble Thinking of Loops Beyond the Initial Loop Cc: Richard Sales MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Sensitivity: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71245 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2007 17:49:01 +0000 (UTC) (what Hendrix or someone would do) I don't have any good sources for weed nowdays. -- Paul ---- Richard Sales wrote: > One way I get around this is to imagine what Hendrix or someone would > do. Usually it comes > richard sales > glassWing farm and studio > vancouver island, b.c. > 800.545.6846 > 250.752.4816 > www.glassWing.com > www.richardsales.com > www.hayleysales.com > www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com > On 15-Jun-07, at 10:32 AM, Bill Fox wrote: > > > Elmer Fuddski wrote: > >> Total Block! Total Block! (from House of 1000 Corpses). > >> I keep coming up with pretty good/interesting loops (guitar and drum > >> backing) with my RC-50. But, I can't seem to develop a corresponding > >> "verse" to the initial loop structure (following a somewhat standard > >> song structure). > >> Any ideas to help the creative juices flowing from this esteemed > >> group of musucians? > > If your "verse" were merely named the "A section," then you could free > > your mind from totally formal song structures, if you so desire. Now > > you can go to a "B section" with a little less trepidation regarding > > its content. Less trepidation will help unblock your thoughts. > > > > One trick for your B section would be to change something from the A > > section. For example, change the key. If "A" is in a major key, go > > to the parallel minor key (same tonic) or to the relative minor key > > (down a minor third). Or go up a full step. > > > > If "A" is in a minor key, one of my favorite modulations is down a > > half step to a major key. Both keys share the exact same note for > > their third degree. Example: "A" is in Am. It's third degree is C. > > Modulating to Ab for the "B" section, or second loop, keeps C as the > > third degree. > > > > There are lots of other modulations that are possible. Use one of > > them for your next loop or next song. > > > > Cheers, > > > > Bill > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 15 17:54:41 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6E43B3BF47; Fri, 15 Jun 2007 17:54:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <6761148.1181929740398.JavaMail.root@web40> References: <6761148.1181929740398.JavaMail.root@web40> Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2007 13:53:31 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Mech Subject: Re: Trouble Thinking of Loops Beyond the Initial Loop Cc: Richard Sales Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71246 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2007 17:54:41 +0000 (UTC) At 10:49 AM -0700 6/15/07, Paul Richards wrote: >(what Hendrix or someone would do) > >I don't have any good sources for weed nowdays. Ah, just soak your headband in LSD.... ;) --m. -- _____ "I want to keep you alive so there is always the possibility of murder... later" From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 15 17:57:39 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 05FF33BF56; Fri, 15 Jun 2007 17:57:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Qua Veda" To: Subject: RE: laptops and performance Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2007 10:57:24 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Thread-Index: AcevdfuR6NhIu5iaTMmsq3zQ/9aKHAAAErJQ In-Reply-To: <4cf76a0b0706151046h3dee028k69f5c7b17e47854@mail.gmail.com> Message-Id: <200706151103984.SM03252@quahome> X-RBL-Warning: REVDNS: This E-mail was sent from a MUA/MTA 206.212.233.27 with no reverse DNS entry. X-Declude-Sender: qua@oregon.com [206.212.233.27] X-Declude-Spoolname: Dd45f022c00004a50.smd X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude JunkMail (www.declude.com) for spam. Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71247 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2007 17:57:38 +0000 (UTC) Yes, this was the surface I was thinking of, couldn't recall the name, developer. Its truly amazing. Imagine a wall made like. I'd be glad to beta test it :-) -Qua -----Original Message----- From: miles ward [mailto:miles932@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, June 15, 2007 10:47 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: laptops and performance My good friend Lee is @ NYU working direct with Ken Perlin (Perlin Noise.. Genius) on a multi-touch, multi display panel that makes Surface look like a monochrome CRT. Not only senses multiple touches, senses proximity to the surface within 6 inches, and is projector based, so can illuminate above and below a clear panel, so there's lights projected down on your hands or other implements.. http://cs.nyu.edu/~jhan/ftirtouch/index.html It's acrylic based, so you should be able to make oddly shaped acrylic objects, and model touch on them... imagine a digital guitar that's just a big strat shaped piece of clear plastic, with no strings, that you can play?! We live in an amazing world. -Miles On 6/15/07, Qua Veda wrote: > Seems that Midi controllers (or other controllers) allow the computer > to 'sit there crunching numbers' while the performer moves around or > sets his/her hair on fire or whatever. > > Foot controllers, data goves, sensors, faders , eventually control > surfaces like the Microsoft Surface, or perhaps floor sensors like > disco floors, would allow for some intersting performances - whether > the computer is a laptop or rack mount. > > -Qua > > > -----Original Message----- > From: miles ward [mailto:miles932@gmail.com] > Sent: Friday, June 15, 2007 9:17 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: laptops and performance > > I agree; that's the central challenge with digital instruments from my > opinion, as amazing as they are at doing things _exactly_ how do you > take that energy from the crowd and turn it back around into more > energetic playing? click harder? > Still frustrated that there's no midi controller for tuba... > -Miles > > -- ---Miles Ward From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 15 17:59:16 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A74C63BF56; Fri, 15 Jun 2007 17:59:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=c1Cggoq0dxSfb/WaqKEorhaNJZ1S0FE+qlri4Y8Ytsb+zk5ox5vXlY38TfgFd8kZ15DBE/ME+oGMqddmumD/bkBZAnGx6vlKeqv96Ie+id0+PFcdcoTCzjD2UzJ1xxRDun5nPCjXy+4WCl0CeRtHsZ2R6cwWQW0IV0yDpSwfZk4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=RVE3CUYgTXy5JT36Q7G4YQesu3uSOgo1+9eR12IK3Q6rBRtLr/H2LMD1pprFYT9Zip+BDKtUgxhbc6sqpX/Jm3gOGxvEgAVhwghCiaWEJFoIYu2IGqiFG/tOQGLyTbclcVtAaEPwVqZMCvm64ae6iNrkhj4ibbiBz+3F5/rkhA4= Message-ID: <4cf76a0b0706151059q5d91d44wc989f4a1b2ddd8a@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2007 10:59:14 -0700 From: "miles ward" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: laptops and performance In-Reply-To: <200706151103984.SM03252@quahome> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <4cf76a0b0706151046h3dee028k69f5c7b17e47854@mail.gmail.com> <200706151103984.SM03252@quahome> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71248 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2007 17:59:16 +0000 (UTC) I'm flying out in a month to do just that :) On 6/15/07, Qua Veda wrote: > Yes, this was the surface I was thinking of, couldn't recall the name, > developer. Its truly amazing. Imagine a wall made like. I'd be glad to > beta test it :-) > > -Qua > > -----Original Message----- > From: miles ward [mailto:miles932@gmail.com] > Sent: Friday, June 15, 2007 10:47 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: laptops and performance > > My good friend Lee is @ NYU working direct with Ken Perlin (Perlin Noise.. > Genius) on a multi-touch, multi display panel that makes Surface look like > a monochrome CRT. Not only senses multiple touches, senses proximity to the > surface within 6 inches, and is projector based, so can illuminate above and > below a clear panel, so there's lights projected down on your hands or other > implements.. > http://cs.nyu.edu/~jhan/ftirtouch/index.html > It's acrylic based, so you should be able to make oddly shaped acrylic > objects, and model touch on them... imagine a digital guitar that's just a > big strat shaped piece of clear plastic, with no strings, that you can > play?! > > We live in an amazing world. > -Miles > > On 6/15/07, Qua Veda wrote: > > Seems that Midi controllers (or other controllers) allow the computer > > to 'sit there crunching numbers' while the performer moves around or > > sets his/her hair on fire or whatever. > > > > Foot controllers, data goves, sensors, faders , eventually control > > surfaces like the Microsoft Surface, or perhaps floor sensors like > > disco floors, would allow for some intersting performances - whether > > the computer is a laptop or rack mount. > > > > -Qua > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: miles ward [mailto:miles932@gmail.com] > > Sent: Friday, June 15, 2007 9:17 AM > > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > Subject: Re: laptops and performance > > > > I agree; that's the central challenge with digital instruments from my > > opinion, as amazing as they are at doing things _exactly_ how do you > > take that energy from the crowd and turn it back around into more > > energetic playing? click harder? > > Still frustrated that there's no midi controller for tuba... > > -Miles > > > > > > > -- > ---Miles Ward > > > -- ---Miles Ward From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 15 18:12:11 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C14E93BF57; Fri, 15 Jun 2007 18:12:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2007 14:13:18 -0400 From: Bill Fox Subject: Performance Gestures [was: Re: Laptops] In-reply-to: <14064895.1181843323296.JavaMail.root@m11> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <4672D6BE.20606@soundscapes.us> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit References: <20070614145111.300E13BF60@arsenic.violacea.com> <14064895.1181843323296.JavaMail.root@m11> User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.12 (Windows/20070509) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71249 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2007 18:12:11 +0000 (UTC) Travis Hartnett wrote: > As an audience member, I prefer that I be able to easily tell the > difference between the performing musician and someone checking their > email while the output of their iTunes is pumped through the PA. > > All the laptop performances I've seen have featured a musician who > stares at the computer most of the time. I know there's exceptions, > but this has been my experience. Mine, too. There are others who use computers, but if they're not running Live or some other thing that requires attention, then they can actually look up from the screen. I use softwynths on my laptop. I look at the screen in between songs to set up a system and then ignore it during the song. When I'm playing, it's on a keyboard. Perhaps one day a guitar or bass-to-MIDI converter will allow me to use my primary instrumental skills. (Saving up the dough...) The crux of the issue is that we've been conditioned to *see* performances on music instruments. A concert pianist's performace gestures are the same wether practicing scales or playing concert. Yet, even if he never looks at the audience, he isn't saddled with the stigma of "He may as well just be practicing his scales." This is true even though we've been conditioned to allow/expect all manner of antics from the way Rock musicians have been putting on shows since the '50s. Thanks to Michael Jackson, a pop performer is expected to dance! In the beginning, a laptop wasn't a musical instrument. Now it is... sonically speaking. But the performance gestures are all wrong compared to our expectations. Well, there are kids growing up today who will never play a CD or vinyl, only play files, and see laptop performances as just another way of performing. We may have to get over it. We're dinosaurs! Cheers, Bill From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 15 18:17:26 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 507103BF2D; Fri, 15 Jun 2007 18:17:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=chMEH0ERrrsgLi0NpSHjsrv0zPn14CYm4AZG7iOd5ZaUhKjWIEOGai5QJXvbUw7PHUVno7+rg0ecbqkUBgupWJ7YO/bE7OJOy9M75Oe75zvkgKIqYFSrPqKmxXsn7seoBX/+ocsxDjn0/65oEDdtjDoeVpvgChnM6x3YMecV0UA=; X-YMail-OSG: Sbl8ubsVM1kHJY1tyzzVmvn8ooqaLL3pBaBEB6mhdsMaWOulyZG5_Weuj_qB9pB6eF7Eoy4h26t.0bxYo3iXlY56mSriXDydFGOWaY1om0YSVkSPvXAMcp0bv85eIw-- Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2007 11:17:24 -0700 (PDT) From: Paul Richards Subject: Moebius To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <4672D6BE.20606@soundscapes.us> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1168279966-1181931444=:87415" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <218328.87415.qm@web35107.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: <4hwCcC.A.tNG.2etcGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71250 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2007 18:17:26 +0000 (UTC) --0-1168279966-1181931444=:87415 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Why isn't Moebius listed in the under Looping Tools in the Software Loopers category (on the Loopers Delight site)? I was toying with setting up a software looper and an FCB1010 and realized I had some looping software on my PC at home except I wasn't at home to verify which one-it turned out to be Moebius. P --------------------------------- Need a vacation? Get great deals to amazing places on Yahoo! Travel. --0-1168279966-1181931444=:87415 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Why isn't Moebius listed in the under Looping Tools in the Software Loopers category (on the Loopers Delight site)?

I was toying with setting up a software looper and an FCB1010 and realized I had some looping software on my PC at home except I wasn't at home to verify which one-it turned out to be Moebius.

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Need a vacation? Get great deals to amazing places on Yahoo! Travel. --0-1168279966-1181931444=:87415-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 15 18:24:35 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2D6483BF57; Fri, 15 Jun 2007 18:24:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <101701c7af7a$6aab9890$6401a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <218328.87415.qm@web35107.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Moebius Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2007 12:24:29 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_1014_01C7AF48.1F39B450" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71251 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2007 18:24:35 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_1014_01C7AF48.1F39B450 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Good question. I think the page should include links to: http://www.krispenhartung.com/software-looping.htm (Software, from me) http://www.looproom.com/looperchart.php (looper comparison chart from = Per) On my page, I cross-linke to both Per's page and the LD tools page. Kris ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Paul Richards=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Friday, June 15, 2007 12:17 PM Subject: Moebius Why isn't Moebius listed in the under Looping Tools in the Software = Loopers category (on the Loopers Delight site)? I was toying with setting up a software looper and an FCB1010 and = realized I had some looping software on my PC at home except I wasn't at = home to verify which one-it turned out to be Moebius.=20 P -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- Need a vacation? Get great deals to amazing places on Yahoo! Travel. ------=_NextPart_000_1014_01C7AF48.1F39B450 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Good question. I think the page should = include=20 links to:

http://www.kr= ispenhartung.com/software-looping.htm (Software,=20 from me)

http://www.looproom.com/= looperchart.php (looper=20 comparison chart from Per)

On my page, I cross-linke to both Per's = page and the LD tools page.

Kris

----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Paul Richards

http://www.richardpinhas.com/

DATES

June to July - USA TOUR (including West = Coast)

24 juin : Santa = Monica (Los Angeles)

27 juin : G3 = Lounge (San Francisco)

29 juin : 21 = Grand, Oakland (San Francisco)

1er juillet : Rotture, Portland

2 ou 3 juillet : Sunset Tavern, Seattle

5 juillet : Montreal Jazz festival, = Canada

9 july: = Detroit

12 juillet : = Washington DC

13 juillet : = Baltimore

12 Octobre: Tokyo, = Japan

On Jun 19, 2007, = at 2:54 PM, John McIntyre wrote:

Rev Fever wrote:

Richard = Pinhas, the founder of Heldon, and amazing guitarist /=A0 looper,etc, is to be up here = soon-ish in the Pacific Northwest.=A0= I=A0 can hardly = wait!

Anyone have any idea of what he uses for the amazing = ambient loop- works that he does?
I guess I = could try to get close enough to the stage to find out, but=A0 was curious in = advance.

Plus, I wanted to put the word out that he is = currently touring=A0 = and=A0 playing a few = places in the USA and w/ a member of Magma, and a=A0 laptop artist.
Should be a great evening!

Rev. = Fever
Portland,OR

Which places?=A0= Anywhere near Michigan?

John McIntyre
mcintyre@pa.msu.edu

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= --Apple-Mail-2--7062422-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 20 07:32:30 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7C4433BF30; Wed, 20 Jun 2007 07:32:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=d5R+LFNKOerwybTrrO5cwEqp5GivXl1vHqSIsYgLguCZs6siN2FKFIRZ/a2nOGG59dQ2+I2NY7lPrYHXqpozHlVMYIzXzrx0A6q/TvrvETNnhjS4qwPJ/C9f29b8sgCdOBwuGEwdaPEyNCmSemc1Yy3rMWh97FIp4XNdn7uuEHA=; X-YMail-OSG: c3YZsdMVM1mxVl3TDZX7Q.VCjpQco8URk1EtaF8i9PKem9PU8V1Ow3wkqH2Dv36.X_J4VzJ0KOhcqTFusfYlhXJzw8HgoC4hdfIo_MsNhUleytQR4vNJdSfa9_WVnpE- Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2007 00:32:29 -0700 (PDT) From: ray confer Subject: Quick live looper feedback please To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1550946343-1182324749=:31526" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <109089.31526.qm@web58815.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: <144qpB.A.FG.NgNeGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71412 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2007 07:32:30 +0000 (UTC) --0-1550946343-1182324749=:31526 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit hello, my name is Ray and I use the stage name" da bluez preacher". My niche has been to create classic and original blues songs live using my guitar and boss rc-20 xl loop pedal. Ive had great feedback from live shows, now I would like to get some live loopers feedback on my tunes. You can find them at http://www.mp3.com/srv4uconacher All of the songs are 100 percent done with my guitar and loop pedal. Please leave feedback, thanks for your time. --------------------------------- Bored stiff? Loosen up... Download and play hundreds of games for free on Yahoo! Games. --0-1550946343-1182324749=:31526 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit hello, my name is Ray and I use the stage name" da bluez preacher". My niche has been to create classic and original blues songs live using my guitar and boss rc-20 xl loop pedal. Ive had great feedback from live shows, now I would like to get some live loopers feedback on my tunes. You can find them at http://www.mp3.com/srv4uconacher All of the songs are 100 percent done with my guitar and loop pedal. Please leave feedback, thanks for your time.

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Games. --0-1550946343-1182324749=:31526-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 20 09:10:33 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 310E43BF3E; Wed, 20 Jun 2007 09:10:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <00eb01c7b31a$caf71320$e701a8c0@pcfabio> Reply-To: "e t e r o g e n e o" From: "e t e r o g e n e o" To: "Os" Cc: References: <020501c7b1b7$e4658b20$e701a8c0@pcfabio> Subject: Re: 6 new songs on the Looper's Delight Community Podcast Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2007 11:10:05 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-Spam-Rating: smtp5.aruba.it 1.6.2 0/1000/N Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71413 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2007 09:10:33 +0000 (UTC) Thanks for reporting that, but i can read the file (before the dwnld, i erased all previous track on i-tunes). So, it work for me.... Other experiences, please ? fabio www.eterogeneo ----- Original Message ----- From: "Os" To: "e t e r o g e n e o" Cc: Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2007 8:50 PM Subject: Re: 6 new songs on the Looper's Delight Community Podcast > Hi, > > I'm finding that some of the tracks won't download - the ones from > "Electrohymn" to "Intro Tango Suite and Demo loop" inclusive. This is > from iTunes. > > Any else have this problem? > > > cheers, > os. > > > On 18/06/07, e t e r o g e n e o wrote: >> >> >> 6 new songs from your listening pleasure, from: >> >> - Bernhard Wagner & Flavio Maspoli : "Copy That" >> - Milco Montagna "Intro Tango Suite and Demo Loop" >> "Playing with toys >> Instrument" >> "People in Blue" >> - Electric Bird Noise: "Your sad...tired..beautiful eyes" >> - Krispen Hartung : "Nebula" >> >> In the future, please, send me your links and additional informations >> (gear >> used, technics, photos, etc..), if you like to share more. >> >> i.tunes users: >> http://phobos.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewPodcast?id=251129406 >> others: >> http://www.eterogeneo.com/live_looping/live_looping.xml >> istructions to subscribe: >> http://www.ejefftronic.com/podcast >> >> >> fabio >> www.eterogeneo.com >> >> > > > -- > os@collective.co.uk > http://www.collective.co.uk/ > http://www.myspace.com/darkroomtheband > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: > 269.9.1/854 - Release Date: 19/06/2007 13.12 > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 20 10:11:25 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E24073BF1A; Wed, 20 Jun 2007 10:11:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4678FD44.2070201@addcom.de> Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2007 12:11:16 +0200 From: Stefan Tiedje User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.4 (Macintosh/20070604) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: The Artist's Right To Be Boring (was: Re: the best.... the worst....) References: <2116412034.1180986575916.JavaMail.root@fepweb14> In-Reply-To: <2116412034.1180986575916.JavaMail.root@fepweb14> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <6Iy6l.A.lyB.M1PeGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71414 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2007 10:11:24 +0000 (UTC) tEd Â® kiLLiAn schrieb: > In my experience, it is impossible to depend upon or predict success > when you start out with a blank slate for every performance. But starting out with a blank slate is the core of improvisation... If you put something into it to secure yourself, you failed already... > I fall flat on my face about as many times as I do well. > > The risk of being an abject failure is all too very real . . . and > the consequences painful. But the times it goes well are worth to risk the "failure"... > Even when the audience and promoter(s) themselves are very forgiving > it can be devastating to not live up to ones own expectations. Even if you "fail" out of your own perspective, because you know of your own, better performances, the audience will grab something, maybe just unconsciously an imagination of where it could have been gone if you didn't "fail"... > Many positivly disposed listeners may just figure that it's > "abstract" or "avant garde" or "new" and not realize that it also can > be truly BAD as well. There is no BAD music, but there could be bad attitude. I suspect securing yourself against "failure" is bad attitude and the result is eventually not music... its more like showing off skills in the circus... Which does help for acceptance of the audience sometimes, but its not really interesting... Either there is music, or there is not. Nothing in-between. This is true for any instrument, being it a laptop or a cello/sousaphone/foot pedal-bar... With known instruments its just easier to show off skills, with laptops it looks more abstract... But don't get me wrong, skills do help a lot to make music, but anything you do often enough will develop your skills anyway. In short, the attitude is more important than skills. Or for those who need to avoid new age: The path is important, not the destination... > Artists need to be accorded a "right to be awful" from time to time . > . . some of us more than others. Obviously you insist on your right to take a risk. That's an attitude which will lead to music. The audience will appreciate this much more often, than you think you did it well.... .......... The good thing about looping is being able to start with a blank slate, and still being able to build a structure. The worst is the dependency on technology (if it fails). Stefan -- Stefan Tiedje------------x------- --_____-----------|-------------- --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()------- -- _|_)----|-----()-------------- ----------()--------www.ccmix.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 20 10:23:31 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 97B1E3BF48; Wed, 20 Jun 2007 10:23:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <46790021.2010402@addcom.de> Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2007 12:23:29 +0200 From: Stefan Tiedje User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.4 (Macintosh/20070604) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Using G-mail: was 'Do we need a forum' References: <014101c7a671$d9fe37a0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> In-Reply-To: <014101c7a671$d9fe37a0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71415 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2007 10:23:31 +0000 (UTC) RICK WALKER schrieb: > It was my understanding when it started up that G-mail mines personal > data from accounts and sells it to interested parties. They do use it, and for sure they sell their knowledge to other e-mail providers. Any service which is "free" will need to make money, basically with ads. Google is the market leader for data mining... But what worries me more is that in the U.S. there are laws to force a company to be bad, even if they want to be the good boys. You can't trust anybody. All in the name of war against terrorism. What a contradiction. The list contents are available for all secret services of the world anyway, but the datamining technology of Google is only available for the experts of Google and by law for the U.S. government... On the other hand I doubt that anybody would make sense out of my talks and I am on all blacklists anyway, don't get credit from any bank and I am proud to be suspicious to all those dumbheads... ;-) I don't need G-mail, my Thunderbird is fine for sorting and filtering... And I never use forums, they suck... (Can't read them in the metro...) and... Charles Zwicky schrieb: > E-mail lists are a pain. Get with the program, folks, it's 2007... > > In a forum, you can CHOOSE what topics you would like to read, > respond to, etc... Learn e-mail! In a list I can CHOOSE what topics I like to read even in the subway... > This email shit is for the birds.. Forums are for dinosaurs, evolutionary, birds came later... Your happy bird, Stefan -- Stefan Tiedje------------x------- --_____-----------|-------------- --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()------- -- _|_)----|-----()-------------- ----------()--------www.ccmix.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 20 10:38:23 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7B8423BF48; Wed, 20 Jun 2007 10:38:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=RXaYL5p7ovIOy9v3OMPqiOIJpkNNoRTkuF9DXZxtq0rMB1yaE7h5jn5uFuCu7wklR3vWAVGtT/0n300Osjxs2CRQXMU2eMhqP5+dwuuAjF/Z5ow4QQQEP4i91bT+hBLOC/gXithpxgLPlR6Q+3X0DhgKrQKcfS3X7L+wMZoUgRA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=dE0/cwNwXIqPVKm3d0nCN1wUVHl48BWnG3gZq5BuFWR5Znd2zXHyEgVPHBNJoqkdvKwrwIFfSbucIwjawP5SPqLig1qUurEMCa9rMJeaaLU0yyQKPffOV+EEiqEzvT06nXxmnnszskk4BNieOVu6OpWFA8aSaJMaF39T5c+UjNw= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <4678FD44.2070201@addcom.de> References: <2116412034.1180986575916.JavaMail.root@fepweb14> <4678FD44.2070201@addcom.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <7B1C07E7-72F6-43CB-AD78-EE33AF1BFBB8@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: The Artist's Right To Be Boring (was: Re: the best.... the worst....) Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2007 12:38:17 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71416 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2007 10:38:23 +0000 (UTC) > tEd =AE kiLLiAn schrieb: >> In my experience, it is impossible to depend upon or predict success >> when you start out with a blank slate for every performance. On 20 jun 2007, at 12.11, Stefan Tiedje wrote: > But starting out with a blank slate is the core of improvisation... > If you put something into it to secure yourself, you failed already... I'm not sure I'm prepared, any more, to subscribe to this idea of =20 "starting out with a blank slate". The background is that I have =20 noticed, after doing many improvised concerts, that I have developed =20 a mental and emotional reference system within, that for me as the =20 performer is exactly the opposite of a "a blank slate". Whatever =20 happens "on the sounding surface" of the musical improvisation there =20 are always new options popping up from this pool and all I have to do =20= is to pick one and see where it leads to (which might be rather =20 pretictable). So the question is if you really should call it "a =20 blank slate" when you are in fact armed with loads of precise and =20 accurate improvisational strategies? I can agree that it might seem =20 to the unknowing audience as "a blank slate" - but that's just =20 showmanship and not what really happens. Also, I agree with Stefan that you shouldn't think about your own =20 music i terms of "failure". Sometimes an audience can really enjoy =20 listening to musicians that are desperately trying to reach a common =20 ground for improvisation. The performance doesn't become less =20 interesting by the fact that they just keep on trying and never =20 succeed in hooking up musically; actually that might just be the =20 point ;-) Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://www.myspace.com/looproom From security@eBay.com Wed Jun 20 11:15:59 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 1715 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Wed, 20 Jun 2007 11:15:59 UTC Received: from smtp.nildram.co.uk (smtp.nildram.co.uk [195.149.33.74]) by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7088E3BF3D for ; Wed, 20 Jun 2007 11:15:58 +0000 (UTC) Received: from server.amidesigns.co.uk (amides.gotadsl.co.uk [62.3.245.81]) by smtp.nildram.co.uk (Postfix) with ESMTP id 82C5366969; Wed, 20 Jun 2007 11:47:19 +0100 (BST) Received: from User ([62.245.67.132]) by server.amidesigns.co.uk with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Wed, 20 Jun 2007 11:32:36 +0100 Reply-To: From: "eBay.com" Subject: eBay Registration Suspension - User Agreement - Abusing eBay Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2007 12:47:19 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1251" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Antivirus: avast! 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User Agreement: http://pages.ebay.com/help/polici From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 20 12:53:16 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 23F203BF45; Wed, 20 Jun 2007 12:53:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: midifriedchicken@comcast.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Quick live looper feedback please Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2007 12:53:14 +0000 Message-Id: <062020071253.13252.4679233A00006D9E000033C42216554886020A050C07080C0B0A079D00070B0703@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Oct 4 2006) X-Authenticated-Sender: bWlkaWZyaWVkY2hpY2tlbkBjb21jYXN0Lm5ldA== MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_13252_1182343994_0" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71417 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2007 12:53:16 +0000 (UTC) --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_13252_1182343994_0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On the right track. My advice, get an RC50, import better sounding drum tracks. Your drums sound really cheesy. The rhythm guides on the RC20 sound like, well, rythm guides. With the RC50 you can import real drums and beats. Also for every patch there are 3 loops so you can add a b section or even a bridge. Also with a Variax and a PodXT Live, you could rule the world. -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: ray confer > hello, my name is Ray and I use the stage name" da bluez preacher". My niche has > been to create classic and original blues songs live using my guitar and boss > rc-20 xl loop pedal. Ive had great feedback from live shows, now I would like to > get some live loopers feedback on my tunes. You can find them at > http://www.mp3.com/srv4uconacher All of the songs are 100 percent done with my > guitar and loop pedal. Please leave feedback, thanks for your time. > > > --------------------------------- > Bored stiff? Loosen up... Download and play hundreds of games for free on Yahoo! Games. --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_13252_1182343994_0 Content-Type: message/rfc822 From: ray confer To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Quick live looper feedback please Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2007 07:32:32 +0000 Content-Type: Multipart/alternative; boundary="NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_13252_1182343994_1" --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_13252_1182343994_1 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit hello, my name is Ray and I use the stage name" da bluez preacher". My niche has been to create classic and original blues songs live using my guitar and boss rc-20 xl loop pedal. Ive had great feedback from live shows, now I would like to get some live loopers feedback on my tunes. You can find them at http://www.mp3.com/srv4uconacher All of the songs are 100 percent done with my guitar and loop pedal. Please leave feedback, thanks for your time.

Bored stiff? Loosen up...
Download and play hundreds of games for free on Yahoo! Games. --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_13252_1182343994_1-- --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_13252_1182343994_0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 20 13:08:12 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9E95C3BF4C; Wed, 20 Jun 2007 13:08:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <01cf01c7b33c$0391e090$e701a8c0@pcfabio> Reply-To: "e t e r o g e n e o" From: "e t e r o g e n e o" To: References: <162689.41342.qm@web60311.mail.yahoo.com> <00ae01c7b29e$4f352b90$a5b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Subject: Re: Re: still on the interface quest... Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2007 15:07:53 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-Spam-Rating: smtp5.aruba.it 1.6.2 0/1000/N Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71418 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2007 13:08:12 +0000 (UTC) Hi people, What about the KonneKt Live audio interface from TC Electronics ? http://www.tcelectronic.com/Default.asp?Id=10338 Did someone tested it or the KonneKt 24 (http://www.tcelectronic.com/Default.asp?Id=8188)? fabio www.eterogeneo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 20 13:50:40 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0FC283BF3D; Wed, 20 Jun 2007 13:50:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <467930B0.9020100@biink.com> Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2007 09:50:40 -0400 From: David Beardsley Reply-To: db@biink.com Organization: Biink & SSI User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2 (Windows/20050317) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Using G-mail: was 'Do we need a forum' References: <014101c7a671$d9fe37a0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> <46790021.2010402@addcom.de> In-Reply-To: <46790021.2010402@addcom.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71419 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2007 13:50:39 +0000 (UTC) If the list is in a forum, gmail or just sitting as archives on the net, Google or who ever can still mine information from the list. I don't think it makes any difference how we look at the list - they can too. -- * David Beardsley * microtonal guitar * http://biink.com/db * http://biink.com/poole From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 20 13:57:42 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2FB6A3BF55; Wed, 20 Jun 2007 13:57:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=cvXAvB0stIUd3fYsaR6UKo47FAZIBW+ur+NhwOpSl5szQd1Bx8fnjEsULRX+sObkgguulWY5mK+680KZDe+F74U8Z9Eub4XP1eIzuTOehqmaoE1FZzpOeTK/bw1Cj9oFnGn+hl5ihU4YwR9Qy0+bANi0zzUuGy0eBkAAb0hutQ4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=FENxXmQEqeB0oRZnXcjgklCcL7kIPT6HABAlPD/v5hVxk9f8YgBfljwHoGwY+4ELrY+QPcx6RxE2T5EeTCYTKrgHP+ZwR22+yfO/VWEZebloYVgPstQbnb7FdYLkt5WeubgTzptRjY3siwWpwAyhpiWYjutZbzCqVcspn8iOf+8= Message-ID: <4759e5740706200657u20f07910m81c76db2ec0cc55f@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2007 09:57:39 -0400 From: "todd reynolds" Reply-To: todd@toddreynolds.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: The Artist's Right To Be Boring (was: Re: the best.... the worst....) In-Reply-To: <7B1C07E7-72F6-43CB-AD78-EE33AF1BFBB8@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_26597_32175178.1182347859180" References: <2116412034.1180986575916.JavaMail.root@fepweb14> <4678FD44.2070201@addcom.de> <7B1C07E7-72F6-43CB-AD78-EE33AF1BFBB8@gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71420 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2007 13:57:42 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_26597_32175178.1182347859180 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline why take any position of black and whiteness? could we consider this 'blank slateness' to be relative in each case? from person to person, from piece to piece? I've found that my best attempt at it often involves creating an electronic environment with options over which I can actually play with a blank slate. so one thing solid, one thing completely fluid and malleable. On the other hand, I have one piece which I call Beginner's Mind, which is nothing but a title. and a commitment to focus on creating a composition without preconception. It works for me, but I still have, as Per indicates, a host of customs, traditions, ways of dealing. However, it's equally as disturbing to my own personal flow to try to fight those tendencies too much... So I search for a middle way, trying to allow rather than manipulate. I'd be willing to bet many of us reside right there. But I'd love to hear more from y'all regarding that. oh, and success? what's that? (grins) great conversations guys! todd On 6/20/07, Per Boysen wrote: > > > tEd (r) kiLLiAn schrieb: > >> In my experience, it is impossible to depend upon or predict success > >> when you start out with a blank slate for every performance. > > On 20 jun 2007, at 12.11, Stefan Tiedje wrote: > > But starting out with a blank slate is the core of improvisation... > > If you put something into it to secure yourself, you failed already... > > > I'm not sure I'm prepared, any more, to subscribe to this idea of > "starting out with a blank slate". The background is that I have > noticed, after doing many improvised concerts, that I have developed > a mental and emotional reference system within, that for me as the > performer is exactly the opposite of a "a blank slate". Whatever > happens "on the sounding surface" of the musical improvisation there > are always new options popping up from this pool and all I have to do > is to pick one and see where it leads to (which might be rather > pretictable). So the question is if you really should call it "a > blank slate" when you are in fact armed with loads of precise and > accurate improvisational strategies? I can agree that it might seem > to the unknowing audience as "a blank slate" - but that's just > showmanship and not what really happens. > > Also, I agree with Stefan that you shouldn't think about your own > music i terms of "failure". Sometimes an audience can really enjoy > listening to musicians that are desperately trying to reach a common > ground for improvisation. The performance doesn't become less > interesting by the fact that they just keep on trying and never > succeed in hooking up musically; actually that might just be the > point ;-) > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > www.looproom.com (international) > http://www.myspace.com/looproom > > > > -- http://www.toddreynolds.com |: http://myspace.com/toddreynoldsmusic |: ------------------------------------------------------|: 917.576.6166 todd@toddreynolds.com toddreyn@gmail.com ------=_Part_26597_32175178.1182347859180 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline why take any position of black and whiteness?

could we consider this 'blank slateness' to be relative in each case? from person to person, from piece to piece?

I've found that my best attempt at it often involves creating an electronic environment with options over which I can actually play with a blank slate. so one thing solid, one thing completely fluid and malleable.

On the other hand, I have one piece which I call Beginner's Mind, which is nothing but a title. and a commitment to focus on creating a composition without preconception. It works for me, but I still have, as Per indicates, a host of customs, traditions, ways of dealing. However, it's equally as disturbing to my own personal flow to try to fight those tendencies too much...

So I search for a middle way, trying to allow rather than manipulate. I'd be willing to bet many of us reside right there. But I'd love to hear more from y'all regarding that.

oh, and success? what's that?

(grins) great conversations guys!

todd

On 6/20/07, Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com> wrote:

> tEd ® kiLLiAn schrieb:
>> In my experience, it is impossible to depend upon or predict success
>> when you start out with a blank slate for every performance.

On 20 jun 2007, at 12.11, Stefan Tiedje wrote:
> But starting out with a blank slate is the core of improvisation...
> If you put something into it to secure yourself, you failed already...

I'm not sure I'm prepared, any more, to subscribe to this idea of
"starting out with a blank slate". The background is that I have
noticed, after doing many improvised concerts, that I have developed
a mental and emotional reference system within, that for me as the
performer is exactly the opposite of a "a blank slate". Whatever
happens "on the sounding surface" of the musical improvisation there
are always new options popping up from this pool and all I have to do
is to pick one and see where it leads to (which might be rather
pretictable). So the question is if you really should call it "a
blank slate" when you are in fact armed with loads of precise and
accurate improvisational strategies? I can agree that it might seem
to the unknowing audience as "a blank slate" - but that's just
showmanship and not what really happens.

Also, I agree with Stefan that you shouldn't think about your own
music i terms of "failure". Sometimes an audience can really enjoy
listening to musicians that are desperately trying to reach a common
ground for improvisation. The performance doesn't become less
interesting by the fact that they just keep on trying and never
succeed in hooking up musically; actually that might just be the
point ;-)

Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
www.boysen.se (Swedish)
www.looproom.com (international)
http://www.myspace.com/looproom

hello, my name is Ray and I use the stage name" da bluez preacher". My niche has been to create classic and original blues songs live using my guitar and boss rc-20 xl loop pedal. Ive had great feedback from live shows, now I would like to get some live loopers feedback on my tunes. You can find them at http://www.mp3.com/srv4uconacher All of the songs are 100 percent done with my guitar and loop pedal. Please leave feedback, thanks for your time.

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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 20 15:08:24 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2601A3BF49; Wed, 20 Jun 2007 15:08:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com In-Reply-To: <00eb01c7b31a$caf71320$e701a8c0@pcfabio> References: <020501c7b1b7$e4658b20$e701a8c0@pcfabio> <00eb01c7b31a$caf71320$e701a8c0@pcfabio> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Josh Carroll Subject: Re: 6 new songs on the Looper's Delight Community Podcast Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2007 10:08:17 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - chara.lunarpages.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - infinivert.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71422 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2007 15:08:24 +0000 (UTC) Fabio, I cannot download the following files: - Intro Tango Suite and Demo loop - Playing with Toys Instrument - People in Blue - your sad...tired.....beautiful eyes - Nebula - Electrohymn All other songs in the podcast seem to download correctly. --Josh On Jun 20, 2007, at 4:10 AM, e t e r o g e n e o wrote: > Thanks for reporting that, but i can read the file (before the > dwnld, i erased all previous track on i-tunes). > So, it work for me.... > > Other experiences, please ? > > fabio > www.eterogeneo > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Os" > To: "e t e r o g e n e o" > Cc: > Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2007 8:50 PM > Subject: Re: 6 new songs on the Looper's Delight Community Podcast > > >> Hi, >> >> I'm finding that some of the tracks won't download - the ones from >> "Electrohymn" to "Intro Tango Suite and Demo loop" inclusive. This is >> from iTunes. >> >> Any else have this problem? >> >> >> cheers, >> os. >> >> >> On 18/06/07, e t e r o g e n e o wrote: >>> >>> >>> 6 new songs from your listening pleasure, from: >>> >>> - Bernhard Wagner & Flavio Maspoli : "Copy That" >>> - Milco Montagna "Intro Tango Suite and Demo Loop" >>> "Playing with toys >>> Instrument" >>> "People in Blue" >>> - Electric Bird Noise: "Your sad...tired..beautiful eyes" >>> - Krispen Hartung : "Nebula" >>> >>> In the future, please, send me your links and additional >>> informations (gear >>> used, technics, photos, etc..), if you like to share more. >>> >>> i.tunes users: >>> http://phobos.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewPodcast? >>> id=251129406 >>> others: >>> http://www.eterogeneo.com/live_looping/live_looping.xml >>> istructions to subscribe: >>> http://www.ejefftronic.com/podcast >>> >>> >>> fabio >>> www.eterogeneo.com >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> os@collective.co.uk >> http://www.collective.co.uk/ >> http://www.myspace.com/darkroomtheband >> >> >> >> -- >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: >> 269.9.1/854 - Release Date: 19/06/2007 13.12 >> > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 20 15:15:06 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 60FC03BF5E; Wed, 20 Jun 2007 15:15:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <03c801c7b34d$c5bcb1c0$e701a8c0@pcfabio> Reply-To: "e t e r o g e n e o" From: "e t e r o g e n e o" To: References: <020501c7b1b7$e4658b20$e701a8c0@pcfabio> <00eb01c7b31a$caf71320$e701a8c0@pcfabio> Subject: Re: 6 new songs on the Looper's Delight Community Podcast Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2007 17:15:00 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-Spam-Rating: smtp5.aruba.it 1.6.2 0/1000/N Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71423 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2007 15:15:06 +0000 (UTC) It seems you have the same problem reported by OS. I'll check the xml code. Thanks fabio www.eterogeneo.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Josh Carroll" To: Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2007 5:08 PM Subject: Re: 6 new songs on the Looper's Delight Community Podcast > Fabio, > > I cannot download the following files: > > - Intro Tango Suite and Demo loop > - Playing with Toys Instrument > - People in Blue > - your sad...tired.....beautiful eyes > - Nebula > - Electrohymn > > All other songs in the podcast seem to download correctly. > > --Josh > > > > On Jun 20, 2007, at 4:10 AM, e t e r o g e n e o wrote: > >> Thanks for reporting that, but i can read the file (before the dwnld, i >> erased all previous track on i-tunes). >> So, it work for me.... >> >> Other experiences, please ? >> >> fabio >> www.eterogeneo >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Os" >> To: "e t e r o g e n e o" >> Cc: >> Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2007 8:50 PM >> Subject: Re: 6 new songs on the Looper's Delight Community Podcast >> >> >>> Hi, >>> >>> I'm finding that some of the tracks won't download - the ones from >>> "Electrohymn" to "Intro Tango Suite and Demo loop" inclusive. This is >>> from iTunes. >>> >>> Any else have this problem? >>> >>> >>> cheers, >>> os. >>> >>> >>> On 18/06/07, e t e r o g e n e o wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> 6 new songs from your listening pleasure, from: >>>> >>>> - Bernhard Wagner & Flavio Maspoli : "Copy That" >>>> - Milco Montagna "Intro Tango Suite and Demo Loop" >>>> "Playing with toys >>>> Instrument" >>>> "People in Blue" >>>> - Electric Bird Noise: "Your sad...tired..beautiful eyes" >>>> - Krispen Hartung : "Nebula" >>>> >>>> In the future, please, send me your links and additional informations >>>> (gear >>>> used, technics, photos, etc..), if you like to share more. >>>> >>>> i.tunes users: >>>> http://phobos.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewPodcast? >>>> id=251129406 >>>> others: >>>> http://www.eterogeneo.com/live_looping/live_looping.xml >>>> istructions to subscribe: >>>> http://www.ejefftronic.com/podcast >>>> >>>> >>>> fabio >>>> www.eterogeneo.com >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> os@collective.co.uk >>> http://www.collective.co.uk/ >>> http://www.myspace.com/darkroomtheband >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> No virus found in this incoming message. >>> Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: >>> 269.9.1/854 - Release Date: 19/06/2007 13.12 >>> >> >> >> > > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: > 269.9.1/854 - Release Date: 19/06/2007 13.12 > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 20 16:34:17 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EBDB13BF5F; Wed, 20 Jun 2007 16:34:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <849871374.1182357252304.JavaMail.root@fepweb12> Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2007 9:34:12 -0700 From: =?utf-8?Q?tEd_=C2=AE_kiLLiAn?= To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: The Artist's Right To Be Boring (was: Re: the best.... the worst....) Cc: Stefan Tiedje MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Sensitivity: Normal X-Originating-IP: from 66.169.241.110 by mail.charter.net; Wed, 20 Jun 2007 12:34:11 -0400 X-Chzlrs: 0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71424 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2007 16:34:16 +0000 (UTC) Stefan, You make a lot of blanket assertions there. Fine. I have here a few of my o= wn.=20 It has been so long since I posted my commments on this thread that I do no= t even remember what frame of mind I was in -- probably depressed (which I = usually am after most public performances). Yeah, that's a bad attitude alr= ight. I have been doing this stuff (looping and improvising) for well over 20 yea= rs. I think I can say from experience (and I am entitled to my opinion too,= I think) that I know pretty damn well when a performance went successfully= . . . or was a failure . . . or was some odd mix of the two. It is in the nature of improvisation to be risky -- and we either learn to = accomodate ourselves to the possibility of failure (and the hope or possibi= lity of success) and persevere under those terms and circumstances . . . or= we do not. Myself, I choose to persevere . . . but I also choose to not al= ways wear a false smile on my face while doing it. "There is no BAD music" Well, you may just as easily say there is no GOOD m= usic either. We all (in or heart of hearts) know this is nonsense. Otherwis= e, we wouldn't continually take the risks we do, try as hard as we do to be= come better, to learn, and to grow. Hell, we probably wouldn't even bother = to play for that matter. Far from being a plea or an attempt to secure myself from failure, I was si= mply trying to say what I believe is true. Sometimes we FAIL. Sometimes we = are BAD. It would be healthier (I think) if we could talk about it and not = hide from it continually. If I perceive a given performance as being less than it could have been, ye= s it CAN help to know that some audience member or another had a different = opinion and enjoyed it. It CAN lessen the pain a little. But that doesn't m= ean I dispose of my own experience and critical accessment and paste a big = smile on my puss either. I'd say, a good 90% of what I do is simply show up and play (physically and= mentally prepared of course) but with no rehearsal, set list or agenda oth= er than to create something GOOD. That is what I aim for. That is what I do= . That is what I am about. Sometimes it works. Sometimes it's golden. Somet= imes it's shit. Sometimes its something of a mix (gold-plated doo doo or po= op-covered gold brick). I'm a live-looping guitar player, but on rare occasions (the other 10% or l= ess) I will go also with some "canned" loops of found noises, atmospheres, = textures, rhythmic patterns and simple musical motifs, along with some noti= on that I will use them somhow . . . but will determine that "how" during p= erformance. This could be considered some sort (or level) of improvisation = too. You be the judge. Less than 1% of the time I will attempt to actually play one of the improvi= sed pieces from my CD. I don't know why I do this, probably a sense of audi= ence expectation or something -- or maybe a false self-expectation more lik= ely. But it is almost 100% guaranteed to come out as a giant musical turd. = Nevertheless, I sometimes fool myself into thinking I can do it. I have played some significant improv gigs upon occassion where it simply c= ame out all wrong. Nothing went right. Nothing I tried worked. I felt like = a fool and an idiot and a charlatan -- and I'm pretty sure most of the audi= ence felt that way too. But I'd rather die than pretend it was all roses an= d tell myself that there is no such thing as BAD art or music. I don't beli= eve it for a minute. I will say it again: Sometimes we (especially those of us who improvise) ne= ed to be allowed to fail. Best regards, Ted Killian ---- Stefan Tiedje wrote: > tEd =C2=AE kiLLiAn schrieb: > > In my experience, it is impossible to depend upon or predict success > > when you start out with a blank slate for every performance. > > But starting out with a blank slate is the core of improvisation... > If you put something into it to secure yourself, you failed already... > > > I fall flat on my face about as many times as I do well. > > > > The risk of being an abject failure is all too very real . . . and > > the consequences painful. > > But the times it goes well are worth to risk the "failure"... > > > Even when the audience and promoter(s) themselves are very forgiving > > it can be devastating to not live up to ones own expectations. > > Even if you "fail" out of your own perspective, because you know of your > own, better performances, the audience will grab something, maybe just > unconsciously an imagination of where it could have been gone if you > didn't "fail"... > > > Many positivly disposed listeners may just figure that it's > > "abstract" or "avant garde" or "new" and not realize that it also can > > be truly BAD as well. > > There is no BAD music, but there could be bad attitude. I suspect > securing yourself against "failure" is bad attitude and the result is > eventually not music... its more like showing off skills in the > circus... Which does help for acceptance of the audience sometimes, but > its not really interesting... > Either there is music, or there is not. Nothing in-between. This is true > for any instrument, being it a laptop or a cello/sousaphone/foot > pedal-bar... > With known instruments its just easier to show off skills, with laptops > it looks more abstract... But don't get me wrong, skills do help a lot > to make music, but anything you do often enough will develop your skills > anyway. > > In short, the attitude is more important than skills. Or for those who > need to avoid new age: The path is important, not the destination... > > > Artists need to be accorded a "right to be awful" from time to time . > > . . some of us more than others. > > Obviously you insist on your right to take a risk. 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The audience will appreciate this much more > often, than you think you did it well.... > > .......... > > The good thing about looping is being able to start with a blank slate, > and still being able to build a structure. > > The worst is the dependency on technology (if it fails). > > Stefan From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 20 16:48:43 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D35DB3BF6D; Wed, 20 Jun 2007 16:48:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <46795A6A.5050806@hevanet.com> Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2007 09:48:42 -0700 From: David Auker User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.12 (Windows/20070509) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: EDP Multiply Question References: <061320071459.5197.467006440009C0CC0000144D2216554886020A050C07080C0B0A079D00070B0703@comcast.net> <385aa74054b8861e3979c4d65bd21c4a@glasswing.com> <467023DA.5000408@hevanet.com> In-Reply-To: <467023DA.5000408@hevanet.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71425 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2007 16:48:42 +0000 (UTC) I'm reposting this, as got overlooked in the laptop frenzy :-) All I want to do it copy the loop's material to another loop (which may already have content). 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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 20 17:16:27 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DE0733BF6A; Wed, 20 Jun 2007 17:16:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <57508.65.160.58.240.1182359785.squirrel@webmail.helpwantedproductions.com> Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2007 10:16:25 -0700 (PDT) Subject: FS: Moog Opus 3 From: legion@helpwantedproductions.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, analogue@hyperreal.org User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.9a MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71426 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2007 17:16:27 +0000 (UTC) Title says it. I'm selling a vintage (duh!) Moog Opus 3 organ/strings/brass synthesizer. In very good shape and everything works. I even cleaned out some of the black goop from behind the pannel when I checked everythinhg out. This is a fully polyphonic little secret weapon type synth. Multiple settings for filters, EQ "drawbars" for organ, HP/LP for strings, envelopes etc. You can mix the three different sounds solo or all together in any combination. Sounds quite ballsy and with a little tweaking it can do some freaknoise as well as more standard analog stuff. One key broke and I repaired with with a piece of Korg MS20 key. It works fine but you might want to tidy that up. Outside of that and the usual minor wear on the wood it looks great and the face plate, colors, slider caps (all of them present and color coordinated) etc. look great. Here is a full demo video of this exact instrument I am selling. I can get pictures too if anyone is interested: http://youtube.com/watch?v=VZcTiH3OPOo These go for all sorts of prices on eb*y. I am asking $500 obo plus shipping. I can accept paypal fomr confirmed addresses (buy pays fees, no echecks). If you pick it up in phila pa I will be more generous on the price. If I have to box and ship this I think the price is pretty fair as it is but I will listen to SERIOUS offers. FWIW a serious offer is one where you have the $$ and are ready to buy it now, not in three weeks when you might be able to sell your bike or guitar :) Trades possible. I'm mostly interested in banana jack modular equipment (Modcan, Cyndustries, Serge) so if you have something along those lines let me know and we'll go from there +/- $$ as needed. I have about 15 years of references, etc etc. Any questions feel free to ask. Thanks! D_ ------------------------------------------------ Weird, Scary, and Beautiful Music and Art: Http://www.HelpWantedProductions.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 20 17:44:22 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BEBEE3BF2F; Wed, 20 Jun 2007 17:44:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-SBRS: -2.9 X-RemoteIP: 212.139.33.93 X-Cloudmark-SP-Filtered: true X-Cloudmark-SP-Result: v=1.0 c=0 a=5Cu6IO8iAAAA:8 a=vq2IaeL0fcj5N3ezOZAA:9 a=wo8WW1WXRiEBBmuphGoA:7 a=HJ6yU7w00ZmMyM_jqrl1tXdbMx4A:4 a=KpTdzdM976EA:10 a=b8WrjtFj1sgA:10 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AuE6AMYDeUbUiyFdR2dsb2JhbACCFASMfAEBPwGgCg X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.16,443,1175468400"; d="scan'208";a="3131577" Message-ID: <4679678A.1040804@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2007 18:44:42 +0100 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: EDP Multiply Question References: <061320071459.5197.467006440009C0CC0000144D2216554886020A050C07080C0B0A079D00070B0703@comcast.net> <385aa74054b8861e3979c4d65bd21c4a@glasswing.com> <467023DA.5000408@hevanet.com> <46795A6A.5050806@hevanet.com> In-Reply-To: <46795A6A.5050806@hevanet.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <9ZCa1B.A.xV.2dWeGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71427 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2007 17:44:22 +0000 (UTC) Sorry, David, It's pretty obviously my question. The Interface Mode thing was my big input to LoopIV. What you want to achieve is possible with your current setup 1) Hit NextLoop 2) Do the noodling 3) Hit Mult when you want to OD the results of the noodling. I know that's not the answer you want ;-) so Or can be done by setting Loop/Delay = DEL That puts you in Delay Mode, which changes the way Overdub works. It makes overdubbing the default, so that when the OD(overdub) LED is green you're always overdubbing. Then hitting OD gives you a Freeze function (i.e. switches overdub off) So in effect it's a model of a basic digital delay with a Freeze, such as you might be familiar with. As long as you're in Freeze ( OD LED = Red )you can do a Multiply and not have the input overdubbed. (Note, that's exactly what you want). This feature was suggested by me during Loop IV development in order to achieve exactly what you wanted here. ...but you need to thank Matthias Grob for programming it. Another possibility is to use a footpedal, and set Loop/Delay = Inp. Then the pedal controls the volume of the input, so it's just a matter of doing "toe up" when you Multiply. I notice you use StutterMode. Sorry there's not a solution which allows you to do this and keep the Stutters. ...but if you have any audio examples of Stutter Mode use, I'd love to hear them. andy butler www.andybutler.com David Auker wrote: > I'm reposting this, as got overlooked in the laptop frenzy :-) > > All I want to do it copy the loop's material to another loop (which may > already have content). Do it w/o overdubbing, so I can noodle for a > while until I want to include it in this new spot. > > Regards 'n respect, David > > David Auker wrote: >> What setting(s) enables Multiply-to-next loop w/o any overdubbing >> going on? I mostly just want to copy to next loop (overiding any >> pre-existing material there), and play while that's happening but not >> overdub at that time. I'm using FCB1010, SwitchQuant=Cnf, >> AutoRecord=On, LoopCopy=Snd, LoopDelay=Stu. >> >> Thnx! >> >> David >> >> >> > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 20 18:02:31 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 850AE3BF63; Wed, 20 Jun 2007 18:02:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-priority:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=OUGVlL0L8NK1OngJyao4BYJ4K9mXoDJH55w92fpOHLLTbzC3/WjhdJWmdL/LJCo8YJhUOWIrWZxLbdIssJsRmgKlc93qTEUOb/SKPhDxxiRivdJXUmMPnGISEGudj7w48VlZ6lVPshcZOVV8l31RMZFycF6jjCwhR/9Fh0t9rKI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-priority:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=fES1CnHMAC1Gyc4pvgzTFmic38EDZlhOiIA7ydBrWrtA9HXyFMXkps/N5OzSptU82lqhGnNL4U1aWVWfj74AW9kw7Nye+q0f+Ze+QJwfi+YhOyTStOoIdc3nxXs5z2PwiWs+oE31tnyNBDEvlto/pVpqAA2Np90ocZJ/PaqrA54= In-Reply-To: <849871374.1182357252304.JavaMail.root@fepweb12> References: <849871374.1182357252304.JavaMail.root@fepweb12> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <39E1E9C8-83C9-42C6-80BF-4E4A059CEF7A@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: The Artist's Right To Be Boring (was: Re: the best.... the worst....) Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2007 20:02:25 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71428 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2007 18:02:31 +0000 (UTC) On 20 jun 2007, at 18.34, tEd =AE kiLLiAn wrote: > it simply came out all wrong. I did a stupid mistake today: Recorded a studio improvisation as an =20 empty stereo sound-file. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://www.myspace.com/looproom From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 20 18:03:27 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 91FC53BF71; Wed, 20 Jun 2007 18:03:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=CvW59Xz/hNb+PjPaXrjLd1Z2bP0rS2E8uQfjRaLTfs7RouzBZbKp/tC9fWT8Gtkq5He6+A1fcYtZ9LlHOcIqODHcoeE6IbeFzkD5yUu7uWtQ1GzYYzoaqX2H0L37ZuxfDXrhY7t88KAFCO2h0Ei9+H0lBbmy+FeOqoimGMTb4/8=; X-YMail-OSG: lt7.Im0VM1kSneb99BfGg9w2z6rKscBmn6ZZ45Yt1PMcscorj.YmFAZenv34QnPlNE6ggNtqwiCW.mF6f.nIwRctjXn8L5EvUOROVtPr4iTZpwqVYKj7sJGcl0kJO3I4 Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2007 11:03:25 -0700 (PDT) From: ray confer Subject: Re: Quick live looper feedback please To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <0JJX00MLMTK9QV30@mail.uh.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-143416115-1182362605=:68247" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <934533.68247.qm@web58814.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71429 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2007 18:03:27 +0000 (UTC) --0-143416115-1182362605=:68247 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Thanks for the kind words. I use an Ibanez SA series guitar and a boss rc-20xl loop pedal. So far my drums are just the steady kick drum from the guide until I can afford to upgrade to rc-50. I use the bass effect i created on my effects processor, and I switch between clean,dirty and bass while i create the loop. David Small wrote: Ray: Great stuff. High energy and a roots-like, traditional blues sound. And fresh at the same time. Lyrics really grab the listener. Did you write all these songs? Guessing that you got the rhythm and lead tones from the same guitar -- both are spot-on. Do you bi-amp? What kind of guitar and drum machine? Keep making this wonderful music. Your audience is going to grow and grow. Thanks for sharing. David Houston, Texas At 02:32 AM 6/20/2007, you wrote: hello, my name is Ray and I use the stage name" da bluez preacher". My niche has been to create classic and original blues songs live using my guitar and boss rc-20 xl loop pedal. Ive had great feedback from live shows, now I would like to get some live loopers feedback on my tunes. You can find them at http://www.mp3.com/srv4uconacher All of the songs are 100 percent done with my guitar and loop pedal. Please leave feedback, thanks for your time. Bored stiff? Loosen up... Download and play hundreds of games for free on Yahoo! Games. --------------------------------- Pinpoint customers who are looking for what you sell. --0-143416115-1182362605=:68247 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Thanks for the kind words. I use an Ibanez SA series guitar and a boss rc-20xl loop pedal. So far my drums are just the steady kick drum from the guide until I can afford to upgrade to rc-50. I use the bass effect i created on my effects processor, and I switch between clean,dirty and bass while i create the loop.

David Small <dsmall@uh.edu> wrote:

Ray: Great stuff. High energy and a roots-like, traditional blues sound. And fresh
at the same time. Lyrics really grab the listener. Did you write all these songs?
Guessing that you got the rhythm and lead tones from the same guitar -- both
are spot-on. Do you bi-amp? What kind of guitar and drum machine? Keep
making this wonderful music. Your audience is going to grow and grow.

Thanks for sharing.

David
Houston, Texas

At 02:32 AM 6/20/2007, you wrote:

hello, my name is Ray and I use the stage name" da bluez preacher". My niche has been to create classic and original blues songs live using my guitar and boss rc-20 xl loop pedal. Ive had great feedback from live shows, now I would like to get some live loopers feedback on my tunes. You can find them at http://www.mp3.com/srv4uconacher All of the songs are 100 percent done with my guitar and loop pedal. Please leave feedback, thanks for your time.

Bored stiff? Loosen up...
Download and play hundreds of games for free on Yahoo! Games.

Pinpoint customers who are looking for what you sell. --0-143416115-1182362605=:68247-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 20 18:06:18 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 37F413BF6A; Wed, 20 Jun 2007 18:06:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) To: Loop List Message-Id: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-10-44625972 From: Steve Lawson Subject: Slight OT - Mini-KP? Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2007 14:06:12 -0400 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - dot1.hosting-ontap.co.uk X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - steve-lawson.co.uk Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71430 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2007 18:06:18 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-10-44625972 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Has anybody tried out the Mini-KP? I didn't even know it existed til yesterday! Am thinking of getting one to attach to one of the aux outs from the Looperlative, but would love to hear from anyone who has used it, or has one... cheers Steve www.stevelawson.net - site www.stevelawson.net/zencart/ - shop http://steve.anthropiccollective.org - blog www.myspace.com/solobassstevelawson --Apple-Mail-10-44625972 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII Has anybody tried out the = Mini-KP? I didn't even know it existed til yesterday! Am thinking of = getting one to attach to one of the aux outs from the Looperlative, but = would love to hear from anyone who has used it, or has one...

cheers

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= --Apple-Mail-10-44625972-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 20 18:17:35 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 732673BF67; Wed, 20 Jun 2007 18:17:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <019a01c7b366$dd3dcf00$a5b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <849871374.1182357252304.JavaMail.root@fepweb12> <39E1E9C8-83C9-42C6-80BF-4E4A059CEF7A@gmail.com> Subject: Re: The Artist's Right To Be Boring (was: Re: the best.... the worst....) Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2007 12:14:20 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71431 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2007 18:17:35 +0000 (UTC) Per, I had no idea you were heading toward such extreme forms of minimalism. Well done. :) Kris ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2007 12:02 PM Subject: Re: The Artist's Right To Be Boring (was: Re: the best.... the worst....) On 20 jun 2007, at 18.34, tEd ® kiLLiAn wrote: > it simply came out all wrong. I did a stupid mistake today: Recorded a studio improvisation as an empty stereo sound-file. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://www.myspace.com/looproom From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 20 18:34:37 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 843613BF75; Wed, 20 Jun 2007 18:34:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-priority:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=Dyy2U2gffv+RVwU+yILRZYZh7J5a33apEnBFgPyBBYQQ/kOE7ykAw4QK79oa5mxFl9pPDNzeRUL/5wHkhn8wDSbYrlym0p95aM/adH1+Wn7ZW+pexgVCYKNoJcZGHk7/2Kjg2JYMu74TJ7m9gz9pV6LyIAj55ynqy0rbGg/zWcg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-priority:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=jRnXTaUTP7UwXT//MhtcS6WNeBl+JwTypZMkrCbGnh4PbWp8A1x8tpJGgQec2SpevyHZKXKhrxRToYBg9UX6zAVOspl9c3TldpNvon09wnWs4aFolpxTLjl4dICmK+3RgmVI7jTOGJfmIhngIku/gDvzuZUPrkjx7MbO/1DxKzg= In-Reply-To: <019a01c7b366$dd3dcf00$a5b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> References: <849871374.1182357252304.JavaMail.root@fepweb12> <39E1E9C8-83C9-42C6-80BF-4E4A059CEF7A@gmail.com> <019a01c7b366$dd3dcf00$a5b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <1C5EC17A-AB4C-4CFD-962A-EA2D2459DD10@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: The Artist's Right To Be Boring (was: Re: the best.... the worst....) Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2007 20:32:51 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71432 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2007 18:34:37 +0000 (UTC) L-O-L :-) I actually thought about posting an mp3 but then it dawned on me that =20= my masterpiece was nothing but a simple John Cage rip-off, so I =20 deleted it. per On 20 jun 2007, at 20.14, Krispen Hartung wrote: > Per, I had no idea you were heading toward such extreme forms of =20 > minimalism. Well done. :) > Kris > > ----- Original Message ----- > Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2007 12:02 PM > Subject: Re: The Artist's Right To Be Boring (was: Re: the best.... =20= > the worst....) > > > On 20 jun 2007, at 18.34, tEd =AE kiLLiAn wrote: >> it simply came out all wrong. > > I did a stupid mistake today: Recorded a studio improvisation as an > empty stereo sound-file. > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > www.looproom.com (international) > http://www.myspace.com/looproom From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 20 18:46:19 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4BB953BF7D; Wed, 20 Jun 2007 18:46:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-priority:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=QYXFWGyDtQMAVTG2CiuGwecTR2FgAkVPZvZU+/WVX5aTbDv9b2wWe+x9zPxfkqjNFekRbGegBhnYsKy0xKzAglE67sC8WkBcSZQdLif/8ZdrziJYlSUz9YnJTH1ZMxYQpMmzmZEPpWQx9dgGqhqjYiZMhKuUaJsL3Ne6X08UKSY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-priority:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=FQQV1xa89gUV7XkCo6Vpv8U9KTKhpqzVgkzlhZVAJ0jFhhVZ5W2y38/mmZSCMYn+Wgq5rDXQ+JBLLcwqskUqqoaQ8kCu9iubT8Y2Guq2I30Mss6P6fDgc+csstJcwq7JK7ZCk2kQFF8D+STPiLAOk6/PDqhYs1ddrv2EhKw/ZAo= In-Reply-To: <39E1E9C8-83C9-42C6-80BF-4E4A059CEF7A@gmail.com> References: <849871374.1182357252304.JavaMail.root@fepweb12> <39E1E9C8-83C9-42C6-80BF-4E4A059CEF7A@gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: RP Collier Subject: Re: The Artist's Right To Be Boring (was: Re: the best.... the worst....) Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2007 11:46:14 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: <0Msw_C.A.iOE.6XXeGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71433 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2007 18:46:19 +0000 (UTC) On Jun 20, 2007, at 11:02 AM, Per Boysen wrote: > I did a stupid mistake today: Recorded a studio improvisation as an > empty stereo sound-file. I do that about once a week and usually when something very interesting is going on, very aggravating. For me it happens most often when I forget to take the recorder out of recording standby mode -- I usually forget or assume I've done the button sequence or I hit the record button but not firmly enough and in the heat of the moment I fail to verify that recording is active. My sympathies. BobC http://tinyurl.com/yt8f8j http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CAXb7tegR3M From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 20 19:01:42 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AB8C83BF7B; Wed, 20 Jun 2007 19:01:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <1198034193.1182366102028.JavaMail.root@fepweb07> Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2007 12:01:42 -0700 From: =?utf-8?Q?tEd_=C2=AE_kiLLiAn?= To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Quick live looper feedback please Cc: ray confer MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Sensitivity: Normal X-Originating-IP: from 66.169.241.110 by mail.charter.net; Wed, 20 Jun 2007 15:01:41 -0400 X-Chzlrs: 0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71434 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2007 19:01:42 +0000 (UTC) Ray, Thanks for sharing. Very well performed, heartfelt and authentic sounding t= unes.=20 If you're using looping technology to do it, I know of several other blues = dudes=20 who would like to pick your brain. I have friends who play blues and other forms of "normal" music who are fac= inated=20 by the possibilities of the technology, but are totally afraid that if they= buy a looper=20 and start trying to use it they will somehow morph into some sort of weirdo= ,=20 non-blues, not quite normal, or avant garde sort of musician. Try as I may, I cannot totally convince them that the technolgy is neutral = and they=20 won't wind up like me -- playing avant mutant music from some other not qui= te normal=20 planet. Heheheh. I may direct a few of these people to your site to check you out if you don= 't mind. It would be helpful if you described your method a bit on the site (or elab= orate on it in this forum) to help them understand what it is you're doing.=20 Whenever I try to explain how easy it COULD be, they take one look at my mo= nster=20 rack and their eyes glaze over. Heheh. I can hardly blame 'em. Think of it as a mission field . . . or ministry of sorts.. Pax, tEd =C2=AE kiLLiAn "Different is not always better, but better is always different" Flux Aeterna: http://phobos.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewAlbum?p= layListId=3D6378076=20 Also check out the BEMF 1 CDs at: http://www.boisemusicians.com/experimenta= l/cd.htm http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073 http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314 http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193 http://www.loopers-delight.com/cgi-bin/profiles.cgi?step=3Dview_profile&id= =3D121197000042 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So??? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 20 19:37:58 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 314463BF78; Wed, 20 Jun 2007 19:37:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=2I4/CS/EwnHPdoAolnxnXVdWvGLi68aq7XqPv65duBADXe7Q8ctFOGU4B+5RZxSmLU7JwggqFeEv+DRb0TDBWSKFKocsmThls5aQ6fq2oZ6z2yucS8BzUWZ+OvWX0JQ/VB20TaF4i14ucH+Xx8qSNIO1xdezusZwqrElTqCOF10=; X-YMail-OSG: 0OyHXqAVM1mSESc2U4MrPnuoO.jBM91gj9nK46fpI21LmcyWlOaUdSRDc6xLtUlMuA-- Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2007 12:37:56 -0700 (PDT) From: rabbirabbifive To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <866760.41442.qm@web60325.mail.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Unidentified subject! Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71435 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2007 19:37:58 +0000 (UTC) "On the other hand, I have one piece which I call Beginner's Mind, which is nothing but a title. and a commitment to focus on creating a composition without preconception. It works for me, but I still have, as Per indicates, a host of customs, traditions, ways of dealing. However, it's equally as disturbing to my own personal flow to try to fight those tendencies too much..." One of the benefits for me, playing that way, is how my playing habits become obvious. They pop out. The audient probably isn't getting any benefit from that, though the learning will eventually benefit that person. If they give me another chance. Totally free improv tends to get very repetitive. (paradox?) Most improvers place restrictions on themselves of various sorts. Key sigs, chord changes, dice rolls, astrology... I haven't personally found a set of restrictions that produces (with my help) music thats interesting to the outside world as opposed to a few art-damaged musicians (no offense, I count myself among these). "So I search for a middle way, trying to allow rather than manipulate." I'm still searching too...for a middle way between total self-absorbed free improv, and carefully planned "communication" with the audient. Jazz and classical Indian had that balance, but that balance was carefully worked out, in unspoken negociation, over a period of time. That process of negociation hasn't really happened with looping music yet, as far as I can tell. There's no set of assumptions for the looper to work with or against. ____________________________________________________________________________________ Bored stiff? Loosen up... 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Games. http://games.yahoo.com/games/front From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 20 20:13:20 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A6D453BF75; Wed, 20 Jun 2007 20:13:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <46798A60.5040403@hevanet.com> Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2007 13:13:20 -0700 From: David Auker User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.12 (Windows/20070509) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: EDP Multiply Question References: <061320071459.5197.467006440009C0CC0000144D2216554886020A050C07080C0B0A079D00070B0703@comcast.net> <385aa74054b8861e3979c4d65bd21c4a@glasswing.com> <467023DA.5000408@hevanet.com> <46795A6A.5050806@hevanet.com> <4679678A.1040804@tiscali.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4679678A.1040804@tiscali.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71436 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2007 20:13:20 +0000 (UTC) andy butler wrote: > Sorry, David, > It's pretty obviously my question. > The Interface Mode thing was my big input to LoopIV. Well, consider the demands your compliments! (And for Mathias, Kim, etc!) > > > > What you want to achieve is possible with your current setup > 1) Hit NextLoop > 2) Do the noodling > 3) Hit Mult when you want to OD the results of the noodling. > > I know that's not the answer you want ;-) Well, it IS logic, and those things escape me sometimes! I may just use that for now. _Thanks_ for the concise explanation below. The EDP is, as they say, "a deep box!" As far as the Stutter Mode, I guess I was there to try the Insert with varying amounts of Overdub. ...all depends on ones mood, I guess! :-) Thanks for asking, but I don't have any recordings (though Rick tried to help, yes!). I guess it's my acoustic piano background which hinders (some excuse, huh?). My music is like dust in the wind. You have recordings, though, and I dig 'em! Keep it up, David > > so > > Or can be done by setting Loop/Delay = DEL > > > That puts you (...) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 20 20:46:25 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9D2713BF78; Wed, 20 Jun 2007 20:46:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [4.246.75.148] X-Originating-Email: [sambacomet@hotmail.com] X-Sender: sambacomet@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <20070620135742.B73123BF57@arsenic.violacea.com> From: "samba -" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Blank Slate Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2007 13:46:16 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Jun 2007 20:46:22.0816 (UTC) FILETIME=[0FF1A600:01C7B37C] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71437 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2007 20:46:25 +0000 (UTC) In a way the slate is the mid and fingers,and mouth of the performer(s). Playing any sort of instrument one is experienced on generally involves habits.Practice usually is an approcach to develop habits conducive to articulation.At one time I reacted againts the obsessio with technique by refuseing to develop any,eventually I recognzed that I had a limmited range of themes that recycled,and the same thing happens with alot of conceptual primitivists I've encountered. So chops become necessary,but then must not be the point. Boxers ,martial artsists,generals address the same issue,to rely on patterns is to become predictable,and defeatable.In Zen they say,'after you cross the river burn your boat' and 'If you meet the bhudda on the road ,kill him.' and 'Zen is a finger pointing at the moon' these address not mistaking the vehicle for the goal. Easy enough concept, just empty the mind. I've noticed we humans can be quite uncomfortable with empty space. _________________________________________________________________ Like puzzles? 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Play Clink now. http://club.live.com/clink.aspx?icid=clink_hotmailtextlink2 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 20 21:27:18 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 376EA3BF7E; Wed, 20 Jun 2007 21:27:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at cavesofice.org Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2007 17:27:28 -0400 (EDT) From: burnett@pobox.com X-X-Sender: badger@giggles.cavesofice.org To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Re: The Artist's Right To Be Boring (was: Re: the best.... the In-Reply-To: <39E1E9C8-83C9-42C6-80BF-4E4A059CEF7A@gmail.com> Message-ID: References: <849871374.1182357252304.JavaMail.root@fepweb12> <39E1E9C8-83C9-42C6-80BF-4E4A059CEF7A@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: MULTIPART/MIXED; BOUNDARY="-589770200-94313821-1182374848=:26772" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71438 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2007 21:27:18 +0000 (UTC) This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. ---589770200-94313821-1182374848=:26772 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT On Wed, 20 Jun 2007, Per Boysen wrote: > On 20 jun 2007, at 18.34, tEd ® kiLLiAn wrote: >> it simply came out all wrong. > > I did a stupid mistake today: Recorded a studio improvisation as an empty > stereo sound-file. Right there with you, Per: I did a photoshoot last night, and this morning I deleted the card contents while it was plugged in to the laptop before copying them to hard drive. I've never made that mistake before. Memo: Coffee first. best, Steve B Subscape Annex http://www.subscapeannex.com/ ---589770200-94313821-1182374848=:26772-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 20 21:38:06 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7D7C53BF7C; Wed, 20 Jun 2007 21:38:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <5E812070-024C-4B5E-B482-FA40DCE7E073@infinivert.com> References: <20070614145111.300E13BF60@arsenic.violacea.com> <5E812070-024C-4B5E-B482-FA40DCE7E073@infinivert.com> Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2007 17:33:29 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Mech Subject: Re: Laptops and Performance Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71439 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2007 21:38:06 +0000 (UTC) At 9:25 AM -0500 6/19/07, Josh Carroll wrote: >There's a program available at garagecube.com called Miration that >basically turns a computer QWERTY keyboard into a sampler and the >mouse into an XY pad controller that can affect speed, volume, pan, >and other effects. Sounds pretty boring except for a small >statement in the documentation that suggests that the keyboard >should be attached to the computer by a long USB cord and carried >around on stage like a guitar. Now that's fun! Kewl! That reminds me that back in the 80's, I was trying to work out a hack to use a workstation replacement keyboard (like you'd find on the old DEC's, for instance) to control our MIDI hardware onstage. Back then, I thought it would look cool; sorta like Dave Stewart in the Eurhythmics' "Sweet Dreams" video. Funny how now that would appear completely passe. Still I think it would be neat to combine one of the mobile keyboards with something like this for mouse control: http://catalog.belkin.com/IWCatProductPage.process?Product_Id=157024 ;) --m. -- _____ "I want to keep you alive so there is always the possibility of murder... later" From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 20 21:40:21 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A094F3BF75; Wed, 20 Jun 2007 21:40:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "Tim Thompson" To: References: <20070620034453.B22CB3BF49@arsenic.violacea.com> In-Reply-To: <20070620034453.B22CB3BF49@arsenic.violacea.com> Subject: RE: MIDI Controllers Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2007 14:40:07 -0700 Message-ID: <077401c7b383$9273d1a0$b75b74e0$@com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: Acey7V4nV1AggngHQZ2OrpMR2k3I3AAkuTBg Content-Language: en-us Resent-Message-ID: <2P9kWB.A.IsF.F7ZeGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71440 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2007 21:40:21 +0000 (UTC) >Wow! Does anyone have video of this? >>Tim Thompson used a couple of DDR pads at Woodstockhausen in 2002: >>http://www.nosuch.com/tjt/wsh2002.html I've uploaded a video of the performance to http://nosuch.com/video . It's grainy because of the low light, but better than nothing. It gets off to a slow start, but gets better by the middle. The audio includes audience reactions (e.g. a laugh when I turned on the belt half-way through, and a gratifying cheer at the end). The page links below are from a talk I gave where I described how it worked. The third page shows the layout of the controls - normally each pad would trigger notes, and controls were invoked by hitting select (at the top of each pad) first. http://nosuch.com/keykit/keykit_electro2005_with_audio_files/frame.htm#slide 0063.htm http://nosuch.com/keykit/keykit_electro2005_with_audio_files/frame.htm#slide 0064.htm http://nosuch.com/keykit/keykit_electro2005_with_audio_files/frame.htm#slide 0065.htm ...Tim... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 20 21:47:09 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 99B613BF84; Wed, 20 Jun 2007 21:47:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "Tim Thompson" To: References: <20070620034453.B22CB3BF49@arsenic.violacea.com> In-Reply-To: Subject: RE: MIDI Controllers Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2007 14:46:55 -0700 Message-ID: <077501c7b384$85c76240$915626c0$@com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: Acey7V4nV1AggngHQZ2OrpMR2k3I3AAkuTBgAADvaDA= Content-Language: en-us Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71441 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2007 21:47:09 +0000 (UTC) > http://nosuch.com/keykit/keykit_electro2005_with_audio_files/frame.htm#slide 0063.htm Sorry, looks like those links only work properly in IE. To see the three pages I'm referring to, go to http://nosuch.com/keykit/keykit_electro2005_with_audio_files/frame.htm and look at slides 46, 47, and 48. ...Tim... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 20 22:01:53 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D607B3BF82; Wed, 20 Jun 2007 22:01:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: References: <849871374.1182357252304.JavaMail.root@fepweb12> <39E1E9C8-83C9-42C6-80BF-4E4A059CEF7A@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Mark Sottilaro Subject: Re: The Artist's Right To Be Boring (was: Re: the best.... the Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2007 15:01:14 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: <8emf_C.A.K9G.RPaeGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71442 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2007 22:01:53 +0000 (UTC) On Jun 20, 2007, at 2:27 PM, burnett@pobox.com wrote: > Memo: Coffee first. Hahah, yesterday I woke up all cranky and I couldn't figure out why the morning was all difficult and I was getting irrationally mad at things like my wife's bike. Then when I got home I saw my coffee... bizarrely unconsumed on the coffee maker. Man I must have been out of it. M From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 20 22:03:45 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D52ED3BF88; Wed, 20 Jun 2007 22:03:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <077501c7b384$85c76240$915626c0$@com> References: <20070620034453.B22CB3BF49@arsenic.violacea.com> <077501c7b384$85c76240$915626c0$@com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <942F3199-3475-421B-B877-83C0A92BB3A9@zerocrossing.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Mark Sottilaro Subject: Re: MIDI Controllers Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2007 15:03:06 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71443 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2007 22:03:45 +0000 (UTC) Do a google search on the P5 Data glove. I've mentioned it before but if you're wearing one attached to a laptop you're instantly transformed into a mad scientist. On Jun 20, 2007, at 2:46 PM, Tim Thompson wrote: >> > http://nosuch.com/keykit/keykit_electro2005_with_audio_files/ > frame.htm#slide > 0063.htm > > Sorry, looks like those links only work properly in IE. To see the > three > pages I'm referring to, go to > http://nosuch.com/keykit/keykit_electro2005_with_audio_files/ > frame.htm and > look at slides 46, 47, and 48. > > ...Tim... > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 20 22:18:25 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DBC0A3BF88; Wed, 20 Jun 2007 22:18:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: References: <20070614145111.300E13BF60@arsenic.violacea.com> <5E812070-024C-4B5E-B482-FA40DCE7E073@infinivert.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <5516DB57-7546-4679-8D17-C755E2B8285F@infinivert.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Josh Carroll Subject: Re: Laptops and Performance Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2007 17:18:21 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - chara.lunarpages.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - infinivert.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71444 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2007 22:18:25 +0000 (UTC) That's sick! I love it! May have to buy one just for Miration! --Josh On Jun 20, 2007, at 4:33 PM, Mech wrote: > At 9:25 AM -0500 6/19/07, Josh Carroll wrote: >> There's a program available at garagecube.com called Miration that >> basically turns a computer QWERTY keyboard into a sampler and the >> mouse into an XY pad controller that can affect speed, volume, >> pan, and other effects. Sounds pretty boring except for a small >> statement in the documentation that suggests that the keyboard >> should be attached to the computer by a long USB cord and carried >> around on stage like a guitar. Now that's fun! > > Kewl! That reminds me that back in the 80's, I was trying to work > out a hack to use a workstation replacement keyboard (like you'd > find on the old DEC's, for instance) to control our MIDI hardware > onstage. Back then, I thought it would look cool; sorta like Dave > Stewart in the Eurhythmics' "Sweet Dreams" video. Funny how now > that would appear completely passe. > > Still I think it would be neat to combine one of the mobile > keyboards with something like this for mouse control: > > http://catalog.belkin.com/IWCatProductPage.process? > Product_Id=157024 > > ;) > --m. > -- > _____ > "I want to keep you alive so there is always the possibility of > murder... later" > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 20 23:49:27 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 558DA3BF82; Wed, 20 Jun 2007 23:49:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <0170465A-C234-4F7E-8FC9-DE97D0023533@zerocrossing.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Mark Sottilaro Subject: Re: f.s. looperlative and eclipse Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2007 16:48:49 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71445 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2007 23:49:27 +0000 (UTC) Scott, when I first moved to Alameda from Ithaca NY you were the very first live loop show I saw here in CA... at some small cafe on San Pablo.. in Oakland/Berkeley. You were with a tabla player and it was an amazing show. It's hard for me to not want to buy your eclipse! Mark On Jun 15, 2007, at 11:49 PM, Scott Drengsen wrote: > Thanks for your kind words and encouragement. I'm not removing > music from my soul(or all the instruments from my house)But,I have > come to terms with the realization that I don't have much drive to > play my music to other people and I'm much happier focusing on > martial arts.I have been inspired by your evolution w/the laptop > and who knows what the future holds. > On Thursday, June 14, 2007, at 07:55 AM, Krispen Hartung wrote: > >> Scott! This is surprising! How can you remove music making from >> your "soul" unless it was never there to begin with. I find this >> hard to believe. >> I've seen you play and thought you had "it". Maybe this is just >> phase in your life and you will come back to music at some other >> point in time. I've done this myself before. Sometimes you just >> need a breather and time to evolve individually. >> >> ...well, when you do come back to music (and I think you may), it >> will be an opportune time to move to laptop. And I have just one >> phrase in response to your gear for sale: max/reaktor. >> >> Kris >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >>> >>> After a few months of soul searching I've discovered that making >>> music isn't really a priority to me and I'll be selling (almost) >>> everything... >>> >>> I have an Eclipse and a Looperlative in a 4 space rack with a >>> Raven Labs preamp.2 pedals for the Eclipse and an FCB to run the >>> Looperlative a power supply and all the attendant cables---2850.00 >>> a Garz Guitars 12 string fretless bass 1500.00 >>> a Wishbass doubleneck,12 string guitar and 6 string fretless bass >>> 500.00 >>> >>> Thanks.E-mail me off list if you're interested in anything... >>> >> >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 21 00:04:06 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 905D03BF8D; Thu, 21 Jun 2007 00:04:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: References: <0dc901c7aeae$8e084e40$6401a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> <4759e5740706141120s7deb87atf78fa0bba2f5e9dd@mail.gmail.com> <0e0201c7aeb1$b6ca3ca0$6401a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net>

Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <16ED8157-77EC-44A9-9E88-64B6238096BB@zerocrossing.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Mark Sottilaro Subject: Re: MIDI Controllers Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2007 17:03:02 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71446 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2007 00:04:06 +0000 (UTC) Weeee wii! http://createdigitalmusic.com/2007/03/20/free-mac-looper-for-wii- controller-wii-midi-hacking-round-up/ On Jun 19, 2007, at 8:19 AM, burnett@pobox.com wrote: > On Tue, 19 Jun 2007, Josh Carroll wrote: > >> Whack-a-Mole would be awesome! I'd also love to see a MIDI >> controller made from a Guitar Hero controller or DDR pad... > > That's easy to do through a Mac, at least. The STEIM junXion > application can be used to map any USB input to MIDI. > > http://www.steim.org/steim/junxion_v3.html > > Use a Playstation to USB adapter (several on > http://www.stepmania.com/wiki/USB_Adapters > ) > to connect the DDR pad to the Macintosh. > > best, > Steve Burnett Subscape Annex http://www.subscapeannex.com/ > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 21 00:58:24 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C4C233BF81; Thu, 21 Jun 2007 00:58:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=bUYZSYoB1wCtG4xWMORvkZ/CbgIyCBPrz476l88jFjXTGl1cGyKJWklxxWUc17UCLMNxicT0teQ9bUTS2kGIW6cutpzRsnTPdobwEblBesesNMfd9WcY7Y6A/x9+nu12+ataXCAUdFD5XkTq7ditoiDtq60nK/b29uJwj4EJjms=; X-YMail-OSG: cazP7UcVM1lEwy.yKDxWTpMYrze0eY3TXMoRfgGlR70zpNOMRXipQTHD9MnGWL9OBWYKvXNIqLiQFGYCCxSARiA7Rog4o77MpoLWmwe4gVGuc_J2YjqLAd79HZsacw-- Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2007 17:58:23 -0700 (PDT) From: bill bigrig Subject: Re: The Artist's Right To Be Boring (was: Re: the best.... the worst....) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <849871374.1182357252304.JavaMail.root@fepweb12> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <645493.22636.qm@web32715.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: <20uCTB.A.HnH.w0ceGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71447 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2007 00:58:24 +0000 (UTC) Howdy, I know exactly how you feel. In 86 I had a couple or 3 stacks of keyboards, drum machines, etc. I met a man through a buddy I had been jamming with for a couple years at a party. i told him " you gotta come over to my place and jam" after I found out he bought a keyboard from aformentioned buddy. We met EVERY Wd. night for 16 years and NEVER learned a song made by someone else. We'd noodle around until some groove kinda fell into place, pause, and hit record on my cassette deck. I have over 90 cassettes filled with muzik that is mostly not listenable, BUT, there are 3 or 4 good CDs among all that stuff, PLUS, countless grooves that one can use for inspiration to compose something good indeed. Rig --- tEd ® kiLLiAn wrote: > Stefan, > > You make a lot of blanket assertions there. Fine. I > have here a few of my own. > > It has been so long since I posted my commments on > this thread that I do not even remember what frame > of mind I was in -- probably depressed (which I > usually am after most public performances). Yeah, > that's a bad attitude alright. > > I have been doing this stuff (looping and > improvising) for well over 20 years. I think I can > say from experience (and I am entitled to my opinion > too, I think) that I know pretty damn well when a > performance went successfully . . . or was a failure > . . . or was some odd mix of the two. > > It is in the nature of improvisation to be risky -- > and we either learn to accomodate ourselves to the > possibility of failure (and the hope or possibility > of success) and persevere under those terms and > circumstances . . . or we do not. Myself, I choose > to persevere . . . but I also choose to not always > wear a false smile on my face while doing it. > > "There is no BAD music" Well, you may just as easily > say there is no GOOD music either. We all (in or > heart of hearts) know this is nonsense. Otherwise, > we wouldn't continually take the risks we do, try as > hard as we do to become better, to learn, and to > grow. Hell, we probably wouldn't even bother to play > for that matter. > > Far from being a plea or an attempt to secure myself > from failure, I was simply trying to say what I > believe is true. Sometimes we FAIL. Sometimes we are > BAD. It would be healthier (I think) if we could > talk about it and not hide from it continually. > > If I perceive a given performance as being less than > it could have been, yes it CAN help to know that > some audience member or another had a different > opinion and enjoyed it. It CAN lessen the pain a > little. But that doesn't mean I dispose of my own > experience and critical accessment and paste a big > smile on my puss either. > > I'd say, a good 90% of what I do is simply show up > and play (physically and mentally prepared of > course) but with no rehearsal, set list or agenda > other than to create something GOOD. That is what I > aim for. That is what I do. That is what I am about. > Sometimes it works. Sometimes it's golden. Sometimes > it's shit. Sometimes its something of a mix > (gold-plated doo doo or poop-covered gold brick). > > I'm a live-looping guitar player, but on rare > occasions (the other 10% or less) I will go also > with some "canned" loops of found noises, > atmospheres, textures, rhythmic patterns and simple > musical motifs, along with some notion that I will > use them somhow . . . but will determine that "how" > during performance. This could be considered some > sort (or level) of improvisation too. You be the > judge. > > Less than 1% of the time I will attempt to actually > play one of the improvised pieces from my CD. I > don't know why I do this, probably a sense of > audience expectation or something -- or maybe a > false self-expectation more likely. But it is almost > 100% guaranteed to come out as a giant musical turd. > Nevertheless, I sometimes fool myself into thinking > I can do it. > > I have played some significant improv gigs upon > occassion where it simply came out all wrong. > Nothing went right. Nothing I tried worked. I felt > like a fool and an idiot and a charlatan -- and I'm > pretty sure most of the audience felt that way too. > But I'd rather die than pretend it was all roses and > tell myself that there is no such thing as BAD art > or music. I don't believe it for a minute. > > I will say it again: Sometimes we (especially those > of us who improvise) need to be allowed to fail. > > Best regards, > > Ted Killian > > ---- Stefan Tiedje wrote: > > tEd ® kiLLiAn schrieb: > > > In my experience, it is impossible to depend > upon or predict success > > > when you start out with a blank slate for every > performance. > > > > But starting out with a blank slate is the core of > improvisation... > > If you put something into it to secure yourself, > you failed already... > > > > > I fall flat on my face about as many times as I > do well. > > > > > > The risk of being an abject failure is all too > very real . . . and > > > the consequences painful. > > > > But the times it goes well are worth to risk the > "failure"... > > > > > Even when the audience and promoter(s) > themselves are very forgiving > > > it can be devastating to not live up to ones own > expectations. > > > > Even if you "fail" out of your own perspective, > because you know of your > > own, better performances, the audience will grab > something, maybe just > > unconsciously an imagination of where it could > have been gone if you > > didn't "fail"... > > > > > Many positivly disposed listeners may just > figure that it's > > > "abstract" or "avant garde" or "new" and not > realize that it also can > > > be truly BAD as well. > > > > There is no BAD music, but there could be bad > attitude. I suspect > > securing yourself against "failure" is bad > attitude and the result is > > eventually not music... its more like showing off > skills in the > > circus... Which does help for acceptance of the > audience sometimes, but > > its not really interesting... > > Either there is music, or there is not. Nothing > in-between. This is true > > for any instrument, being it a laptop or a > cello/sousaphone/foot > > pedal-bar... > > With known instruments its just easier to show off > skills, with laptops > > it looks more abstract... But don't get me wrong, > skills do help a lot > > to make music, but anything you do often enough > will develop your skills > > anyway. > > > > In short, the attitude is more important than > skills. Or for those who > > need to avoid new age: The path is important, not > the destination... > > > > > Artists need to be accorded a "right to be > awful" from time to time . > > > . . some of us more than others. > > > > Obviously you insist on your right to take a risk. > That's an attitude > > which will lead to music. The audience will > appreciate this much more > > often, than you think you did it well.... > > > > .......... > > > > The good thing about looping is being able to > start with a blank slate, > > and still being able to build a structure. > > > > The worst is the dependency on technology (if it > fails). > > > > Stefan > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Shape Yahoo! in your own image. Join our Network Research Panel today! http://surveylink.yahoo.com/gmrs/yahoo_panel_invite.asp?a=7 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 21 02:15:11 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B91AC3BF86; Thu, 21 Jun 2007 02:15:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2007 19:17:24 -0700 Subject: Re: f.s. looperlative and eclipse Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v553) From: Scott Drengsen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <0170465A-C234-4F7E-8FC9-DE97D0023533@zerocrossing.net> Message-Id: <8C983B99-1F9D-11DC-8E88-00050263BC96@earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.553) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71448 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2007 02:15:11 +0000 (UTC) Thanks Mark, I have no idea how it will influence you,but, I wasn't using the Eclipse at that show.(maybe I sound better when I don't sound as good: ) I put a low price on my rack and offered it because I was hoping someone whose work I admired would take it.... scott On Wednesday, June 20, 2007, at 04:48 PM, Mark Sottilaro wrote: > Scott, when I first moved to Alameda from Ithaca NY you were the very > first live loop show I saw here in CA... at some small cafe on San > Pablo.. in Oakland/Berkeley. You were with a tabla player and it was > an amazing show. > > It's hard for me to not want to buy your eclipse! > > Mark > > On Jun 15, 2007, at 11:49 PM, Scott Drengsen wrote: > >> Thanks for your kind words and encouragement. I'm not removing music >> from my soul(or all the instruments from my house)But,I have come to >> terms with the realization that I don't have much drive to play my >> music to other people and I'm much happier focusing on martial arts.I >> have been inspired by your evolution w/the laptop and who knows what >> the future holds. >> On Thursday, June 14, 2007, at 07:55 AM, Krispen Hartung wrote: >> >>> Scott! This is surprising! How can you remove music making from >>> your "soul" unless it was never there to begin with. I find this >>> hard to believe. >>> I've seen you play and thought you had "it". Maybe this is just >>> phase in your life and you will come back to music at some other >>> point in time. I've done this myself before. Sometimes you just need >>> a breather and time to evolve individually. >>> >>> ...well, when you do come back to music (and I think you may), it >>> will be an opportune time to move to laptop. And I have just one >>> phrase in response to your gear for sale: max/reaktor. >>> >>> Kris >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> >>>> After a few months of soul searching I've discovered that making >>>> music isn't really a priority to me and I'll be selling >>>> (almost)everything... >>>> >>>> I have an Eclipse and a Looperlative in a 4 space rack with a Raven >>>> Labs preamp.2 pedals for the Eclipse and an FCB to run the >>>> Looperlative a power supply and all the attendant cables---2850.00 >>>> a Garz Guitars 12 string fretless bass 1500.00 >>>> a Wishbass doubleneck,12 string guitar and 6 string fretless bass >>>> 500.00 >>>> >>>> Thanks.E-mail me off list if you're interested in anything... >>>> >>> >>> >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 21 03:43:11 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 59E9B3BF86; Thu, 21 Jun 2007 03:43:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-Id: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-2-79236572 References: <443427.89874.qm@web59201.mail.re1.yahoo.com> From: Rev Fever Subject: Fwd: The Artist's Right To Be Boring (was: Re: the best.... the worst....) Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2007 20:43:03 -0700 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71449 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2007 03:43:11 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-2-79236572 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Not wanting to keep beating a dead, or at least dying horse, I just had to share this. I sent someone(?)'s previous wonderful rant on LD about this subject to a friend of mine in Seattle who is a long time recording engineer there (and damn GOOD at it) and has a Masters Degree in musicology (amongst other things) and is one of the more brilliant people I know. (unlike my own barely educated self :-) ) Hopefully, his words / rant will resonate w/ some of you, or at least be some fun reading. Enjoy. -Rev. Fever Portland,OR > Subject: Re: Fwd: The Artist's Right To Be Boring (was: Re: the > best.... the worst....) > > > Good discussion, by somebody with enough experience to recognize > the need for DISCIPLINE (defined as Structure, not Obedience) in > music, as in everything you actually give a husky fuck about. Yes, > Virginia (and Stefan), there is FAILURE. I'm a seasoned expert on > this topic, so you can trust me here. Yep, the artist must be > "allowed" to fail, because, whether there is allowance or not, IT'S > GONNA HAPPEN. Because we're *human*, not gods or muses, even when > we're engaged in allegedly "inspired" activities. It's a sad fact > that you can't learn from a mistake *until you make it*; it's > tragic when some "free spirit" doesn't learn from a mistake because > he or she can't admit it was a mistake, or even that mistakes are > possible. Sure, anything that makes a sound can be *considered* a > musical instrument; every sound can be *heard* as music. But that > doesn't elevate it to the same level of achievement as the best > music made by people who have real musical ability honed by > experience in FAILURE. It's NOT "all good". Just because something > can be argued to be "legitimate" doesn't make it valuable or worthy. > The great fallacy (and colossal waste of time) of the 20th century > was the obsession with "validity": "Is it art?" "Is it music?" > Who gives a shit? Is it worth a damn? Is it worth the cover? > Sure, it's "valid" as this or that art form on a conceptual basis; > but is it any good at all? These are questions that *can* be > answered; it just takes a few generations for the clues to > accumulate. > Meanwhile, "non-judgemental thinking" just leads around in circles, > winds up being just another form of mental masturbation. THERE IS > GOOD. THERE IS BAD. *We* won't be the ones to render a final > assessment, but we're sure as hell part of the discussion. Unless > we attempt to abdicate on some namby-pamby all-inclusive pseudo- > "liberalism", in which case WHY BOTHER? --Apple-Mail-2-79236572 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Not wanting to keep beating a = dead, or at least dying horse, I just had to share this.=A0

I sent someone(?)'s previous = wonderful rant on LD about this subject to a friend of mine=A0

in = Seattle who is a long time recording engineer there (and damn GOOD at = it)

and has a Masters Degree in musicology=A0(amongst other = things) and is one of the more brilliant people I = know.=A0

(unlike my own barely educated self :-) = )

Hopefully, = his words / rant will resonate w/ some of you, or at least be some fun = reading. Enjoy.

-Rev. = Fever

Portland,OR

Subject: Re: Fwd: The Artist's Right To Be = Boring (was:=A0 Re: the = best.... the worst....)

=A0=A0 =A0 = Good discussion, by somebody with enough experience to = recognize
the need for DISCIPLINE (defined = as Structure, not Obedience) in=A0
music, = as in everything you actually give a husky fuck about.=A0 Yes,
Virginia (and Stefan), there is FAILURE.=A0 I'm a seasoned expert = on
this topic, so you can trust me here.=A0 Yep, the artist must be=A0
GONNA HAPPEN.=A0 Because we're *human*, not = gods or muses, even when
we're engaged = in allegedly "inspired" activities.=A0= It's a sad fact
that you = can't learn from a mistake *until you make it*; it's=A0
tragic = when some "free spirit" doesn't learn from a mistake because
he or she can't admit it was a mistake, or even that = mistakes are
possible.=A0 Sure, anything that makes a = sound can be *considered* a
musical = instrument; every sound can be *heard* as music.=A0 But that
doesn't elevate it to the same level of achievement = as the best
music made by people who have = real musical ability honed by=A0
=A0 = It's NOT "all good".=A0 = Just because something
can be argued = to be "legitimate" doesn't make it valuable or worthy.
The great fallacy (and colossal waste of time) of = the 20th century
was the obsession with = "validity": "Is it art?"=A0 = "Is it music?"
Who gives a shit?=A0 Is it worth a damn?=A0 Is it worth the = cover?
Sure, it's "valid" as this or = that art form on a conceptual basis;
but is it any = good at all?=A0 These are = questions that *can* be
answered; it = just takes a few generations for the clues to
accumulate.
Meanwhile, = "non-judgemental thinking" just leads around in circles,
winds up being just another form of mental = masturbation.=A0 THERE = IS
GOOD.=A0 = THERE IS BAD.=A0 = *We* won't be the ones to render a final
assessment, but we're sure as hell part of the = discussion.=A0 = Unless
we attempt to abdicate on some = namby-pamby all-inclusive pseudo-
"liberalism", = in which case WHY BOTHER? =A0

= --Apple-Mail-2-79236572-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 21 06:31:22 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 56B073BF81; Thu, 21 Jun 2007 06:31:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.fr; h=Received:X-YMail-OSG:Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=TRFS5o7Tl1mXHdPcTPDva97RUHWeOWJkFJl6MQfaExtXArDQmr/fcEV9v/RZNct8lKmZmQLZeHls/kElQ22P6Ax8fSnjTEyOANOYU25e29l//uAn6MGevKOvjPf1TO0nHh+NtPP7uvf7YXjV9x0PXk7m7RWYQLaVkwsrRVQ3g3c= ; X-YMail-OSG: t6BbhB0VM1lpi3v.2N13Yp.aVFqkqi4vWAB6KcFY.FxOH4ikulgE_LYawOAlw1ko4dXC82uTKbw12YlSD2cBjB1hPZFtP4FwVLS8pjxzpVrlyTvH Message-ID: <004201c7b3cd$c70c7b20$6402a8c0@PC576340162804> From: "Ben" To: References: Subject: Re: Slight OT - Mini-KP? Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2007 08:31:17 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_003F_01C7B3DE.89C37C30" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71450 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2007 06:31:22 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_003F_01C7B3DE.89C37C30 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello Steve, There is a small video demo here http://www.laboitenoiredumusicien.com/ Follow DJ>WEBTV>DEMO. It's in French but there isn't a lot of spoken = words ;-) It's true that there is'nt a lot of information on this FX. For info if you look for a mini portable effect unit:there is now also a = mini LINE6 POD (http://bx.line6.com/pocketpod/index.html) Ben. ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Steve Lawson=20 To: Loop List=20 Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2007 8:06 PM Subject: Slight OT - Mini-KP? Has anybody tried out the Mini-KP? I didn't even know it existed til = yesterday! Am thinking of getting one to attach to one of the aux outs = from the Looperlative, but would love to hear from anyone who has used = it, or has one... cheers Steve www.stevelawson.net - site www.stevelawson.net/zencart/ - shop http://steve.anthropiccollective.org - blog www.myspace.com/solobassstevelawson ------=_NextPart_000_003F_01C7B3DE.89C37C30 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hello Steve,

There is a small video demo here http://www.laboitenoiredu= musicien.com/

Follow DJ>WEBTV>DEMO. It's in = French but=20 there isn't a lot of spoken words ;-)

It's true that there is'nt a lot of = information on=20 this FX.

For info if you look for a mini = portable effect=20 unit:there is now also a mini LINE6 POD (http://bx.line6.com/poc= ketpod/index.html)

Ben.

----- Original Message -----

From:=20 Steve=20 Lawson

To: Loop List =

Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2007 = 8:06=20 PM

Subject: Slight OT - = Mini-KP?

Has anybody tried out the Mini-KP? I didn't even know = it=20 existed til yesterday! Am thinking of getting one to attach to one of = the aux=20 outs from the Looperlative, but would love to hear from anyone who has = used=20 it, or has one...

cheers

Steve

www.stevelawson.net - = site

www.stevelawson.net/zencart/= -=20 shop

http://steve.anthropiccolle= ctive.org=20 - blog

www.myspace.com/solob= assstevelawson

------=_NextPart_000_003F_01C7B3DE.89C37C30-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 21 07:11:01 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A65F93BF84; Thu, 21 Jun 2007 07:11:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=UVynuB1MmjFTG0Sq19TOBt6TsTTr1NHvXzHPEvYCKsP2XxblraHwoRddGWG8oPWDwARSMDEhZQh5HdpjR7/yQFKK+uVGx6Kk5mVUYeNd+UovsXkOT6fmbREvTMitW1kYfsDbJJND6M+h+7M6r2dTalLn/pj9/dQwN5KqRV3aOko= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=LkfJng0mCvNgIkM4xnGHhyuvKW0WTpDPMd5DAmQTggEksTb51wgGvaKmb+R62fQ1kYtRwfhs/+27XTuEXmxgum2uD0BzafLEaOyw3Rw7PeH6/RhR6RjvEv54iEtsFfetME9TD4AcXbu63YpDdJyQgGxPNmzhZvF/omT3yt4xKI8= Message-ID: Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2007 08:10:59 +0100 From: Os Sender: expertsleepers@googlemail.com To: "e t e r o g e n e o" Subject: Re: 6 new songs on the Looper's Delight Community Podcast Cc: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <03c801c7b34d$c5bcb1c0$e701a8c0@pcfabio> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <020501c7b1b7$e4658b20$e701a8c0@pcfabio> <00eb01c7b31a$caf71320$e701a8c0@pcfabio> <03c801c7b34d$c5bcb1c0$e701a8c0@pcfabio> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 7f073524e719e462 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71451 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2007 07:11:01 +0000 (UTC) Hi, this morning I can download every track except Nebula, which still won't download. cheers, os. On 20/06/07, e t e r o g e n e o wrote: > It seems you have the same problem reported by OS. > I'll check the xml code. > Thanks > > fabio > www.eterogeneo.com > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Josh Carroll" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2007 5:08 PM > Subject: Re: 6 new songs on the Looper's Delight Community Podcast > > > > Fabio, > > > > I cannot download the following files: > > > > - Intro Tango Suite and Demo loop > > - Playing with Toys Instrument > > - People in Blue > > - your sad...tired.....beautiful eyes > > - Nebula > > - Electrohymn > > > > All other songs in the podcast seem to download correctly. > > > > --Josh > > > > > > > > On Jun 20, 2007, at 4:10 AM, e t e r o g e n e o wrote: > > > >> Thanks for reporting that, but i can read the file (before the dwnld, i > >> erased all previous track on i-tunes). > >> So, it work for me.... > >> > >> Other experiences, please ? > >> > >> fabio > >> www.eterogeneo > >> > >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Os" > >> To: "e t e r o g e n e o" > >> Cc: > >> Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2007 8:50 PM > >> Subject: Re: 6 new songs on the Looper's Delight Community Podcast > >> > >> > >>> Hi, > >>> > >>> I'm finding that some of the tracks won't download - the ones from > >>> "Electrohymn" to "Intro Tango Suite and Demo loop" inclusive. This is > >>> from iTunes. > >>> > >>> Any else have this problem? > >>> > >>> > >>> cheers, > >>> os. > >>> > >>> > >>> On 18/06/07, e t e r o g e n e o wrote: > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> 6 new songs from your listening pleasure, from: > >>>> > >>>> - Bernhard Wagner & Flavio Maspoli : "Copy That" > >>>> - Milco Montagna "Intro Tango Suite and Demo Loop" > >>>> "Playing with toys > >>>> Instrument" > >>>> "People in Blue" > >>>> - Electric Bird Noise: "Your sad...tired..beautiful eyes" > >>>> - Krispen Hartung : "Nebula" > >>>> > >>>> In the future, please, send me your links and additional informations > >>>> (gear > >>>> used, technics, photos, etc..), if you like to share more. > >>>> > >>>> i.tunes users: > >>>> http://phobos.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewPodcast? > >>>> id=251129406 > >>>> others: > >>>> http://www.eterogeneo.com/live_looping/live_looping.xml > >>>> istructions to subscribe: > >>>> http://www.ejefftronic.com/podcast > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> fabio > >>>> www.eterogeneo.com > >>>> > >>>> > >>> > >>> > >>> -- > >>> os@collective.co.uk > >>> http://www.collective.co.uk/ > >>> http://www.myspace.com/darkroomtheband > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> -- > >>> No virus found in this incoming message. > >>> Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: > >>> 269.9.1/854 - Release Date: 19/06/2007 13.12 > >>> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > -- > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: > > 269.9.1/854 - Release Date: 19/06/2007 13.12 > > > > > > -- os@collective.co.uk http://www.collective.co.uk/ http://www.myspace.com/darkroomtheband From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 21 08:08:11 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1092B3BF85; Thu, 21 Jun 2007 08:08:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=e0zxqIceVw3RTEfs/WU10h+W296xlsOQyA2vBkg0WYRQSekPvyBq8tZwQbsptkfTlDi/SKndpRATVKjE4Qf0sL2Z2Y4lVXgcXE0lDEhSnY4OJv+RQjhoWokNDa9X2ErHbyHHKb2YlY/JGhMMLsAF/JndB6QZn2ULFAOyfR9JX0c=; X-YMail-OSG: d9kkb4cVM1lOx9v1Qzr0qmj6dIjMhBr7CtTOKIJIkMepVf.ERwK8a8SN7RvlK2YZDr5zZdF6PviDEoN25JDm3gNsQzVvMHPYjPqx Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2007 01:08:09 -0700 (PDT) From: ray confer Subject: Re: Quick live looper feedback please To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <1198034193.1182366102028.JavaMail.root@fepweb07> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-2112397867-1182413289=:40083" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <711082.40083.qm@web58808.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: <_hizDB.A.RAC.qHjeGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71452 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2007 08:08:11 +0000 (UTC) --0-2112397867-1182413289=:40083 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Well, I appreciate the commenst and I dont mind if you send some players my way, absolutley. I mainly bought the looper to play blues becasue my guitar style is more lead playing which was hard to do as a solo acoustic as Im just not that good at fingerstyle blues. You ask about my methods, so Ill try to explain it for you and your friends. Basically I have a behrigner mixer, vox amp,ibanez electric,ovation acoustic and my boss rc-20 xl loop station. With the rc-20xl it has a guide and I just use the steady kick that it has just a different speeds. So i pick a song I wanna do,kinda hum it in my head then tap out the rythmn speed on my pedal, so now i have a steady kick going. Now if its a standard I !V V blues, I start recording the whole phrase all the measures. Now that I have a kick and now my main chord structure going, I solo a little over it till it gets to where the measure starts again. Now i switch my DOD eefects pedal to a preset that Ive pitch detuned down 12 steps to emulate a bass sound. I hit record again and now I lay my bass down all the way to start of loop again. Then I start singing and it just takes off from there. Real easy especially for the blues, noone even notices I dont have full drums, but I could easliy hook up my ipod with some drum tracks or a mic to do some percussion, I just havent got there yet. It works very convincily and enhances my solo performances 10 fold now. I love it. Any other questions or to clarify, please feel free to ask. tEd ® kiLLiAn wrote: Ray, Thanks for sharing. Very well performed, heartfelt and authentic sounding tunes. If you're using looping technology to do it, I know of several other blues dudes who would like to pick your brain. I have friends who play blues and other forms of "normal" music who are facinated by the possibilities of the technology, but are totally afraid that if they buy a looper and start trying to use it they will somehow morph into some sort of weirdo, non-blues, not quite normal, or avant garde sort of musician. Try as I may, I cannot totally convince them that the technolgy is neutral and they won't wind up like me -- playing avant mutant music from some other not quite normal planet. Heheheh. I may direct a few of these people to your site to check you out if you don't mind. It would be helpful if you described your method a bit on the site (or elaborate on it in this forum) to help them understand what it is you're doing. Whenever I try to explain how easy it COULD be, they take one look at my monster rack and their eyes glaze over. Heheh. I can hardly blame 'em. Think of it as a mission field . . . or ministry of sorts.. Pax, tEd ® kiLLiAn "Different is not always better, but better is always different" Flux Aeterna: http://phobos.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewAlbum?playListId=6378076 Also check out the BEMF 1 CDs at: http://www.boisemusicians.com/experimental/cd.htm http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=2845073 http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=CBNM_17314 http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=193 http://www.loopers-delight.com/cgi-bin/profiles.cgi?step=view_profile&id=121197000042 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So??? --------------------------------- You snooze, you lose. Get messages ASAP with AutoCheck in the all-new Yahoo! Mail Beta. --0-2112397867-1182413289=:40083 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Well, I appreciate the commenst and I dont mind if you send some players my way, absolutley. I mainly bought the looper to play blues becasue my guitar style is more lead playing which was hard to do as a solo acoustic as Im just not that good at fingerstyle blues. You ask about my methods, so Ill try to explain it for you and your friends. Basically I have a behrigner mixer, vox amp,ibanez electric,ovation acoustic and my boss rc-20 xl loop station. With the rc-20xl it has a guide and I just use the steady kick that it has just a different speeds. So i pick a song I wanna do,kinda hum it in my head then tap out the rythmn speed on my pedal, so now i have a steady kick going. Now if its a standard I !V V blues, I start recording the whole phrase all the measures. Now that I have a kick and now my main chord structure going, I solo a little over it till it gets to where the measure starts again. Now i switch my DOD eefects pedal to a preset that Ive pitch detuned down 12 steps to emulate a bass sound. I hit record again and now I lay my bass down all the way to start of loop again. Then I start singing and it just takes off from there. Real easy especially for the blues, noone even notices I dont have full drums, but I could easliy hook up my ipod with some drum tracks or a mic to do some percussion, I just havent got there yet. It works very convincily and enhances my solo performances 10 fold now. I love it. Any other questions or to clarify, please feel free to ask.

tEd ® kiLLiAn <tedkillian@charter.net> wrote:

Ray,

Thanks for sharing. Very well performed, heartfelt and authentic sounding tunes.
If you're using looping technology to do it, I know of several other blues dudes
who would like to pick your brain.

I have friends who play blues and other forms of "normal" music who are facinated
by the possibilities of the technology, but are totally afraid that if they buy a looper
and start trying to use it they will somehow morph into some sort of weirdo,
non-blues, not quite normal, or avant garde sort of musician.

Try as I may, I cannot totally convince them that the technolgy is neutral and they
won't wind up like me -- playing avant mutant music from some other not quite normal
planet. Heheheh.

I may direct a few of these people to your site to check you out if you don't mind.
It would be helpful if you described your method a bit on the site (or elaborate
on it in this forum) to help them understand what it is you're doing.

Whenever I try to explain how easy it COULD be, they take one look at my monster
rack and their eyes glaze over. Heheh. I can hardly blame 'em.

Think of it as a mission field . . . or ministry of sorts..

Pax,

tEd ® kiLLiAn

"Different is not always better, but better is always different"

Flux Aeterna: http://phobos.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewAlbum?playListId=6378076

Also check out the BEMF 1 CDs at: http://www.boisemusicians.com/experimental/cd.htm

http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html
http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian
http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html
http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina
http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=2845073
http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=CBNM_17314
http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=193
http://www.loopers-delight.com/cgi-bin/profiles.cgi?step=view_profile&id=121197000042

Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes,
BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster,
AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream,
RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks,
and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So???

You snooze, you lose. Get messages ASAP with AutoCheck
in the all-new Yahoo! Mail Beta. --0-2112397867-1182413289=:40083-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 21 09:01:01 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6338F3BF81; Thu, 21 Jun 2007 09:01:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <467A3E47.3040904@addcom.de> Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2007 11:00:55 +0200 From: Stefan Tiedje User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.4 (Macintosh/20070604) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: AW: do we need a forum ? References: <578634.50973.qm@web34809.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4661272C.8090103@f2s.com> <3AAC0F26-1536-4A9C-B966-D4584CA98454@zerocrossing.net> <4cf76a0b0706041127y5ba2ff3k611a359c4c1bdad2@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <4cf76a0b0706041127y5ba2ff3k611a359c4c1bdad2@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71453 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2007 09:01:01 +0000 (UTC) miles ward schrieb: > I think a forum would be great, if only for searchability and > historical reference. But there is a searchable archive, what do you need more? I never have time to go to forums, I read the mail when I don't have internet access. Without list I would not be here... The only difference to a forum is, that you have to write the mail in your mail program instead of replying in a browser. Browsers are lame, slow and usually way too much blinking. I prefer an e-mail client to write and read... Stefan -- Stefan Tiedje------------x------- --_____-----------|-------------- --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()------- -- _|_)----|-----()-------------- ----------()--------www.ccmix.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 21 09:15:41 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 67F243BF84; Thu, 21 Jun 2007 09:15:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2007 17:15:15 +0800 From: Randolf Arriola Subject: RC50 Question about Expression and Controller Sharing To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <011101c7b3e4$b30122e0$6e01a8c0@embryo> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=response Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <001a01c7a55f$7d0b30b0$020313ac@SOVERGAAUW> <20070603000143.3uslowcou8ok8g0w@webmail.gebaeude7.de> Resent-Message-ID: <6SUjbD.A.LkF.9GkeGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71454 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2007 09:15:41 +0000 (UTC) I have a question for fellow RC50 users out there regarding the "EXP/Ctrl 3,4 Pedal Jack". Will it work if I were to connect an expression pedal and assign it as I currently do that is to control the volume of each of the 3 phrases and also share the same "Exp/Ctrl 3,4 jack" with a y cord for 2 temporary switches to activate Control 3 and Control 4 Functions? I currently use the Cntl1 for switching the Overdub Mode and Cntl2 for "Current Clear" Anbody please? Randolf Arriola (aka the embryo) http://www.soundclick.com/bands/5/theembryo.htm http://www.myspace.com/the_embryo From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 21 10:39:07 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 097493BF86; Thu, 21 Jun 2007 10:39:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2007 06:39:57 -0400 From: Bill Fox Subject: Listen to Afterglow and Galactic Travels To: undisclosed-recipients: ; Message-id: <467A557D.5000609@soundscapes.us> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.12 (Windows/20070509) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71455 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2007 10:39:07 +0000 (UTC) AFTERGLOW ON WMUH: http://soundscapes.us/afterglow ======================================================================= Afterglow airs from 8:00 am to 9:30 am every Thursday morning. Tune in for a delightful mix of eclectic musical genres including a healthy dose of Progressive Rock. Tune in at 91.7 FM or on the internet at: http://muhlenberg.edu/wmuh GALACTIC TRAVELS ON WDIY: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt ======================================================================= Tonight at 11 pm on Galactic Travels, I'll continue the month-long Special Focus on Robert Rich who will play at NEARfest at the end of the month and with Ian Boddy this Saturday in Philadelphia. The Featured CD at Midnight will be "Calling Down the Sky" by Robert Rich on Soundscape Records. For details, see the Special Focus page at: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2007/focus.html#jun Galactic Travels is an electronic, ambient, and space music show that airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg, 93.7 FM in Fogelsville and Trexlertown, on the internet, and in High Definition Radio at 88.1 FM. ====================================================================== All times are EDT / GMT-4. Listen on-line to WDIY at http://wdiy.org and click LISTEN or go directly to: http://rm1.refugemedia.com/ramgen/encoder/wdiy.rm Listen on-line to WMUH at http://www.muhlenberg.edu/wmuh and click the REAL AUDIO link or go directly to: rtsp://helix.muhlenberg.edu:554/broadcast/live.rm From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 21 11:53:25 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 566F93BF8C; Thu, 21 Jun 2007 11:53:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=C76xPcwX2jvSRrB1cX/3VLGKMMabs67x293Jfvwy6SZux4kCMKK5gW1qwbMc2QQD94tFEEnIXmvN0tuxwoGnwTnASxW7xWGlJewVQ/MQXKcpYwR/Nq6eiLi3VLbkX0lncuV8sT2zaoWzZC1+Ux23Ffv6B5nVLRKlhBnWl+CunWg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=Qz9b3X1c4lpgZnwHFTykoGOvnYOp7Yv2kPuV5ILXJapAD7U01mc1dbkctXvL5mbUL9iA7OKDtm6PG6OolB8SY53ILjIhkh7bJ/FRyAtjLAihQtMO9y0V+KnstrfS/YbWQMHCYZKOqMPeGs0X9ovfA+a6DJORcPCje4dA7OxJqIs= Message-ID: Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2007 13:53:17 +0200 From: "Arne R. 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www.skage.com ------=_Part_125554_20373196.1182426797364-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 21 13:05:12 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6892B3BF8B; Thu, 21 Jun 2007 13:05:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com In-Reply-To: <011101c7b3e4$b30122e0$6e01a8c0@embryo> References: <001a01c7a55f$7d0b30b0$020313ac@SOVERGAAUW> <20070603000143.3uslowcou8ok8g0w@webmail.gebaeude7.de> <011101c7b3e4$b30122e0$6e01a8c0@embryo> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Teddy Subject: Re: RC50 Question about Expression and Controller Sharing Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2007 09:05:08 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAA== X-Brightmail-scanned: yes Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71457 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2007 13:05:12 +0000 (UTC) I don't think that will work, but you can always try it and see... I think it's a TRS jack which senses what kind of info is coming in. I wish it had a separate expression input too... or even 2 or 3 would be nice... Teddy a.k.a. anybody On Jun 21, 2007, at 5:15 AM, Randolf Arriola wrote: > I have a question for fellow RC50 users out there regarding the > "EXP/Ctrl 3,4 Pedal Jack". > > Will it work if I were to connect an expression pedal and assign it > as I currently do that is to control the volume of each of the 3 > phrases and also share the same "Exp/Ctrl 3,4 jack" with a y cord > for 2 temporary switches to activate Control 3 and Control 4 > Functions? > > I currently use the Cntl1 for switching the Overdub Mode and Cntl2 > for "Current Clear" > > Anbody please? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 21 13:22:01 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A6FE33BF8B; Thu, 21 Jun 2007 13:22:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: BreachinThePeace@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2007 09:21:56 EDT Subject: Re: The Artist's Right To Be Boring (was: Re: the best.... the worst....) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-----------------------------1182432116" X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5366 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: <1m79N.A.3sE.5tneGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71458 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2007 13:22:01 +0000 (UTC) -------------------------------1182432116 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 6/20/2007 11:43:31 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, revfever@ubergadget.com writes: This and 4.00 will get you a decent cup of coffee at Starbucks. One man's treasure is another man's trash. For my money however, I will take the 900 hours of improv that yield 3-4 CDs of thrak over that cup full of discipline any day of the week. One man's interpretive path of creativity, or successful method of musical construction, is yet another man's whirlpool of lost hope. The problem with most "learned" musicians and engineers is that they have no point of reference to valuate the co-frequency that high level improv in part consists of. If they did, quite simply we would need a whole new dewey decimal system. Don't get me wrong however, logical science is an absolutely necessary polarization with respect to it's counter part, abstract creativity. It's like right & left, night and day, black and white, etc. It takes both for a functional whole to exist. Those lone path discipline fanatics that consider most improv to be in their estimation akin to "musical farts in a windstorm", simply don't "get" the process. Mostly because based on their limited experience, it's beyond them. Bottom line" Structure is no less or more valuable than chaos. Without equal parts of each, music would not exist at all, nor the universe we live in for that matter. Good discussion, by somebody with enough experience to recognize the need for DISCIPLINE (defined as Structure, not Obedience) in music, as in everything you actually give a husky fuck about. Yes, Virginia (and Stefan), there is FAILURE. I'm a seasoned expert on this topic, so you can trust me here. Yep, the artist must be "allowed" to fail, because, whether there is allowance or not, IT'S GONNA HAPPEN. Because we're *human*, not gods or muses, even when we're engaged in allegedly "inspired" activities. It's a sad fact that you can't learn from a mistake *until you make it*; it's tragic when some "free spirit" doesn't learn from a mistake because he or she can't admit it was a mistake, or even that mistakes are possible. Sure, anything that makes a sound can be *considered* a musical instrument; every sound can be *heard* as music. But that doesn't elevate it to the same level of achievement as the best music made by people who have real musical ability honed by experience in FAILURE. It's NOT "all good". Just because something can be argued to be "legitimate" doesn't make it valuable or worthy. The great fallacy (and colossal waste of time) of the 20th century was the obsession with "validity": "Is it art?" "Is it music?" Who gives a shit? Is it worth a damn? Is it worth the cover? Sure, it's "valid" as this or that art form on a conceptual basis; but is it any good at all? These are questions that *can* be answered; it just takes a few generations for the clues to accumulate. Meanwhile, "non-judgemental thinking" just leads around in circles, winds up being just another form of mental masturbation. THERE IS GOOD. THERE IS BAD. *We* won't be the ones to render a final assessment, but we're sure as hell part of the discussion. Unless we attempt to abdicate on some namby-pamby all-inclusive pseudo- "liberalism", in which case WHY BOTHER? ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. -------------------------------1182432116 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

In a message dated 6/20/2007 11:43:31 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,=20 revfever@ubergadget.com writes:

This and 4.00 will get you a decent cup of coffee at Starbucks. One man= 's=20 treasure is another man's trash. For my money however, I will take the 900 h= ours=20 of improv that yield 3-4 CDs of thrak over that cup full of discipline=20= any=20 day of the week. One man's interpretive path of creativity, or successf= ul=20 method of musical construction, is yet another man's whirlpool of lost=20 hope. The problem with most "learned" musicians and engineers is that they h= ave=20 no point of reference to valuate the co-frequency that high level improv in=20= part=20 consists of. If they did, quite simply we would need a whole new dewey=20 decimal system. Don't get me wrong however, logical science is an absolutely= =20 necessary polarization with respect to it's counter part, abstract= =20 creativity. It's like right & left, night and day, black and white,= =20 etc. It takes both for a functional whole to exist. Those lone path=20 discipline fanatics that consider most improv to be in their=20 estimation akin to "musical farts in a windstorm", simply don't "get" t= he=20 process. Mostly because based on their limited experience, it's beyond=20 them. Bottom line" Structure is no less or more valuable than chao= s.=20 Without equal parts of each, music would not exist at all, nor the universe=20= we=20 live in for that matter.

<= FONT=20 style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" face=3DArial color=3D#000000 size= =3D2>

Good discussion, by somebody with enough experi= ence=20 to recognize

the need for DISCIPLINE (defined as Structure,=20= not=20 Obedience) in

music, as in everything you actually give a hus= ky=20 fuck about. Yes,

Virginia (and Stefan), there is FAILURE. I'm a seasoned expert on

this topic, so you can trust me here. Yep, the artist must be

"allowed" to fail, because, whether there is=20 allowance or not, IT'S

GONNA HAPPEN. =20 Because we're *human*, not gods or muses, even when

we're engaged in allegedly "inspired"=20 activities. It's a sad=20 fact

that you can't learn from a mistake *until you=20= make=20 it*; it's

tragic when some "free spirit" doesn't learn fr= om a=20 mistake because

he or she can't admit it was a mistake, or even= that=20 mistakes are

possible.&n= bsp;=20 Sure, anything that makes a sound can be *considered* a

musical instrument; every sound can be *heard*=20= as=20 music. But that

doesn't elevate it to the same level of achieve= ment=20 as the best

music made by people who have real musical abil= ity=20 honed by

experience in FAILURE. It's NOT "all good". Just because something

can be argued to be "legitimate" doesn't make i= t=20 valuable or worthy.

The great fallacy (and colossal waste of time)=20= of the=20 20th century

was the obsession with "validity": "Is it art?"= "Is it music?"

Who gives a shit? Is it worth a damn? Is it worth the cover?

Sure, it's "valid" as this or that art form on=20= a=20 conceptual basis;

but is it any good at all? These are questions that *can*= =20 be

answered; it just takes a few generations for t= he=20 clues to

accumulate.

Meanwhile, "non-judgemental thinking" just lead= s=20 around in circles,

winds up being just another form of mental=20 masturbation. THERE IS

GOOD. = =20 THERE IS BAD. *We*= won't=20 be the ones to render a final

assessment, but we're sure as hell part of the=20 discussion. Unless

we attempt to abdicate on some namby-pamby=20 all-inclusive pseudo-

"liberalism", in which case WHY BOTHER?

= See what's free at AOL.com.

-------------------------------1182432116-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 21 13:41:48 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3B81B3BF8F; Thu, 21 Jun 2007 13:41:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2007 08:42:55 -0500 From: David Small Subject: Re: Fwd: The Artist's Right To Be Boring (was: Re: the best.... the worst....) In-reply-to: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <0JJZ0016INDLA890@mail.uh.edu> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Content-type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT References: <443427.89874.qm@web59201.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71459 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2007 13:41:48 +0000 (UTC) Speaking of dead horses:

This guy walks into a psychiatrist's office with a concerned look
on his face. "Doc," he says, "I'm worried. It's that dream. I'm
having it again." "What dream?" asked the shrink, not really paying
attention. "You know," says the man, "the one where I'm into
sadism, necrophilia, and bestiality. Should I be worried or am I just
beating a dead horse?"

David

At 10:43 PM 6/20/2007, you wrote:

Not wanting to keep beating a dead, or at least dying horse, I just had to share this.

I sent someone(?)'s previous wonderful rant on LD about this subject to a friend of mine
in Seattle who is a long time recording engineer there (and damn GOOD at it)
and has a Masters Degree in musicology (amongst other things) and is one of the more brilliant people I know.
(unlike my own barely educated self :-) )

Hopefully, his words / rant will resonate w/ some of you, or at least be some fun reading. Enjoy.

-Rev. Fever
Portland,OR

Subject: Re: Fwd: The Artist's Right To Be Boring (was: Re: the best.... the worst....)

Good discussion, by somebody with enough experience to recognize
the need for DISCIPLINE (defined as Structure, not Obedience) in
music, as in everything you actually give a husky fuck about. Yes,
Virginia (and Stefan), there is FAILURE. I'm a seasoned expert on
this topic, so you can trust me here. Yep, the artist must be
"allowed" to fail, because, whether there is allowance or not, IT'S
GONNA HAPPEN. Because we're *human*, not gods or muses, even when
we're engaged in allegedly "inspired" activities. It's a sad fact
that you can't learn from a mistake *until you make it*; it's
tragic when some "free spirit" doesn't learn from a mistake because
he or she can't admit it was a mistake, or even that mistakes are
possible. Sure, anything that makes a sound can be *considered* a
musical instrument; every sound can be *heard* as music. But that
doesn't elevate it to the same level of achievement as the best
music made by people who have real musical ability honed by
experience in FAILURE. It's NOT "all good". Just because something
can be argued to be "legitimate" doesn't make it valuable or worthy.
The great fallacy (and colossal waste of time) of the 20th century
was the obsession with "validity": "Is it art?" "Is it music?"
Who gives a shit? Is it worth a damn? Is it worth the cover?
Sure, it's "valid" as this or that art form on a conceptual basis;
but is it any good at all? These are questions that *can* be
answered; it just takes a few generations for the clues to
accumulate.
Meanwhile, "non-judgemental thinking" just leads around in circles,
winds up being just another form of mental masturbation. THERE IS
GOOD. THERE IS BAD. *We* won't be the ones to render a final
assessment, but we're sure as hell part of the discussion. Unless
we attempt to abdicate on some namby-pamby all-inclusive pseudo-
"liberalism", in which case WHY BOTHER?

From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 21 13:42:07 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0FC653BF92; Thu, 21 Jun 2007 13:42:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=cZhFe4WOhmLiIG3rVk7Ls/PcSlJDx7kMgV7Rvx0ALom8rMmlAkr5YdwCRjKYYD+egVRTLYVgUbQlhXjr9qwoDk2F++DCLZL8mhcEVN38Ca5sNyWsJCoZw1dQI9iIx5BALHWafwXhQt4qTF5xwXr761VIowjEnBGhw7sr85kRljc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=I8cXftLDahnfYoE70a5LObnieT2oo39C9jRmDYKh6HC0JH0UmUJI3jfG4B6xrMLqMWHgbF3ooz4BkeANAuCyp7bmlYbA/Krfr15mg1MI0tPcvMhOxF3xclM2tLEu5fbZ6rG7JKK+zCMExm4Ck/7fW5hJF6DQqUB8zVMwp8SavYc= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <4679678A.1040804@tiscali.co.uk> References: <061320071459.5197.467006440009C0CC0000144D2216554886020A050C07080C0B0A079D00070B0703@comcast.net> <385aa74054b8861e3979c4d65bd21c4a@glasswing.com> <467023DA.5000408@hevanet.com> <46795A6A.5050806@hevanet.com> <4679678A.1040804@tiscali.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <3FE21D94-6323-45FA-9454-4BEE7BAD3830@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: 2 new pictures Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2007 15:41:59 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71460 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2007 13:42:07 +0000 (UTC) Two pictures from last weeks festival looping in the Baltic Sea: http://tinyurl.com/2j43b3 per From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 21 13:51:34 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 05CDE3BF92; Thu, 21 Jun 2007 13:51:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2007 09:51:07 -0400 From: Douglas Baldwin Subject: Re: Slight OT - Mini-KP? To: Ben , Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <007801c7b40b$4207dd00$9715be18@oemcomputer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_mVeJ0k3IgrxgYC2J99OtWA)" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <004201c7b3cd$c70c7b20$6402a8c0@PC576340162804> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71461 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2007 13:51:34 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_mVeJ0k3IgrxgYC2J99OtWA) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT I had a fling with the Mini-KP a couple of months ago. I demo'd it for Korg, showing how I attached it directly to the face of my guitar. I used it to record two somewhat different pieces, and the text/audio/photos should appear in Korg's on-line newsletter any day now. If anyone would like an advance listen to one of the two audio tracks, I put it on my website. Go here:http://www.thecoyote.org/listen.cfm and scroll down to Keeyater.All of the little wooshing synthy sounds and stuttering notes were done with the Mini-KP in real time with each of the two guitars. Also note the groovy contest, in which winners will get certain free goodies (including some looping CDs) for answering music-geek questions. Best, Douglas Baldwin, coyote-at-large www.thecoyote.org coyotelk@optonline.net "The volume knob on your telepathy is your morality." - Stephen Gaskin, The Farm --Boundary_(ID_mVeJ0k3IgrxgYC2J99OtWA) Content-type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT

I had a fling with the Mini-KP a couple of months ago. I demo'd it for Korg, showing how I attached it directly to the face of my guitar. I used it to record two somewhat different pieces, and the text/audio/photos should appear in Korg's on-line newsletter any day now. If anyone would like an advance listen to one of the two audio tracks, I put it on my website.

Go here:http://www.thecoyote.org/listen.cfm and scroll down to Keeyater.All of the little wooshing synthy sounds and stuttering notes were done with the Mini-KP in real time with each of the two guitars. Also note the groovy contest, in which winners will get certain free goodies (including some looping CDs) for answering music-geek questions.

Best,

Douglas Baldwin, coyote-at-large
www.thecoyote.org
coyotelk@optonline.net

"The volume knob on your telepathy is your morality."
- Stephen Gaskin, The Farm

--Boundary_(ID_mVeJ0k3IgrxgYC2J99OtWA)-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 21 15:07:12 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CA24B3BF96; Thu, 21 Jun 2007 15:07:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <739c7e2a9ea7d9ff69b65bf66a00d9e4@mac.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Paul Mimlitsch Subject: Re: The Artist's Right To Be Boring (was: Re: the best.... the worst....) Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2007 09:06:58 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAA== X-Brightmail-scanned: yes Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71462 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2007 15:07:12 +0000 (UTC) In a nutshell; 1) just do what you do 2) it is what it is 3) move on From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 21 15:11:34 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EFD893BF9B; Thu, 21 Jun 2007 15:11:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: References: <020501c7b1b7$e4658b20$e701a8c0@pcfabio> <00eb01c7b31a$caf71320$e701a8c0@pcfabio> <03c801c7b34d$c5bcb1c0$e701a8c0@pcfabio> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Josh Carroll Subject: Re: 6 new songs on the Looper's Delight Community Podcast Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2007 10:11:29 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - chara.lunarpages.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - infinivert.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: <068mLD.A.HYE.lUpeGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71463 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2007 15:11:33 +0000 (UTC) I'm having the same result. Looks like progress! --Josh On Jun 21, 2007, at 2:10 AM, Os wrote: > Hi, > > this morning I can download every track except Nebula, which still > won't download. > > > cheers, > os. > > > On 20/06/07, e t e r o g e n e o wrote: >> It seems you have the same problem reported by OS. >> I'll check the xml code. >> Thanks >> >> fabio >> www.eterogeneo.com >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Josh Carroll" >> To: >> Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2007 5:08 PM >> Subject: Re: 6 new songs on the Looper's Delight Community Podcast >> >> >> > Fabio, >> > >> > I cannot download the following files: >> > >> > - Intro Tango Suite and Demo loop >> > - Playing with Toys Instrument >> > - People in Blue >> > - your sad...tired.....beautiful eyes >> > - Nebula >> > - Electrohymn >> > >> > All other songs in the podcast seem to download correctly. >> > >> > --Josh >> > >> > >> > >> > On Jun 20, 2007, at 4:10 AM, e t e r o g e n e o wrote: >> > >> >> Thanks for reporting that, but i can read the file (before the >> dwnld, i >> >> erased all previous track on i-tunes). >> >> So, it work for me.... >> >> >> >> Other experiences, please ? >> >> >> >> fabio >> >> www.eterogeneo >> >> >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Os" >> >> To: "e t e r o g e n e o" >> >> Cc: >> >> Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2007 8:50 PM >> >> Subject: Re: 6 new songs on the Looper's Delight Community Podcast >> >> >> >> >> >>> Hi, >> >>> >> >>> I'm finding that some of the tracks won't download - the ones >> from >> >>> "Electrohymn" to "Intro Tango Suite and Demo loop" inclusive. >> This is >> >>> from iTunes. >> >>> >> >>> Any else have this problem? >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> cheers, >> >>> os. >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> On 18/06/07, e t e r o g e n e o wrote: >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> 6 new songs from your listening pleasure, from: >> >>>> >> >>>> - Bernhard Wagner & Flavio Maspoli : "Copy That" >> >>>> - Milco Montagna "Intro Tango Suite and Demo Loop" >> >>>> "Playing with toys >> >>>> Instrument" >> >>>> "People in Blue" >> >>>> - Electric Bird Noise: "Your sad...tired..beautiful eyes" >> >>>> - Krispen Hartung : "Nebula" >> >>>> >> >>>> In the future, please, send me your links and additional >> informations >> >>>> (gear >> >>>> used, technics, photos, etc..), if you like to share more. >> >>>> >> >>>> i.tunes users: >> >>>> http://phobos.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewPodcast? >> >>>> id=251129406 >> >>>> others: >> >>>> http://www.eterogeneo.com/live_looping/live_looping.xml >> >>>> istructions to subscribe: >> >>>> http://www.ejefftronic.com/podcast >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> fabio >> >>>> www.eterogeneo.com >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> -- >> >>> os@collective.co.uk >> >>> http://www.collective.co.uk/ >> >>> http://www.myspace.com/darkroomtheband >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> -- >> >>> No virus found in this incoming message. >> >>> Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: >> >>> 269.9.1/854 - Release Date: 19/06/2007 13.12 >> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > -- >> > No virus found in this incoming message. >> > Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: >> > 269.9.1/854 - Release Date: 19/06/2007 13.12 >> > >> > >> >> > > > -- > os@collective.co.uk > http://www.collective.co.uk/ > http://www.myspace.com/darkroomtheband > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 21 15:48:27 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C14973BF98; Thu, 21 Jun 2007 15:48:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=N531nLA6RXOAJhK4GTMLYvxZcwV/nVUmAIZ4Z7fs8bAT0f0tHtbFKP6eqdWWLk56oqYPm+aAyar5VX57/tbKCR1KQ+dJl/8DmCFzyHz70HLZri/XA3JzUVyfkpFC/073ddvx8pNhkqvg62Iks1IiIWahszh7KTgozrbKH6PlIlA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=L/tm5cB55J2EMhVFCDgRVCOJ00OJCSXyi4glcYkld064TP7j3BgCjBnDgPP6Ztuzut04A8jGCtAXAEas8BKdMvDut27/RbPU3UEbMGsXOsnJ99GGLJIft77iyMpLH5NEJGM3Wo6wn8w5ufHRXD+TKJuRaLoopomtYvLUnyCSZpo= Message-ID: Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2007 11:48:25 -0400 From: "phillip bob" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: RC50 Question about Expression and Controller Sharing In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <001a01c7a55f$7d0b30b0$020313ac@SOVERGAAUW> <20070603000143.3uslowcou8ok8g0w@webmail.gebaeude7.de> <011101c7b3e4$b30122e0$6e01a8c0@embryo> Resent-Message-ID: <6gJQyD.A.ONH.L3peGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71464 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2007 15:48:27 +0000 (UTC) is there anyway to get RECORD or PLAY/STOP as expression/stomp switches? -p p.s. other than doing the breakout box with cables like Pringle did On 6/21/07, Teddy wrote: > I don't think that will work, but you can always try it and see... > I think it's a TRS jack which senses what kind of info is coming in. > > I wish it had a separate expression input too... or even 2 or 3 would > be nice... > > Teddy a.k.a. anybody > > > On Jun 21, 2007, at 5:15 AM, Randolf Arriola wrote: > > > I have a question for fellow RC50 users out there regarding the > > "EXP/Ctrl 3,4 Pedal Jack". > > > > Will it work if I were to connect an expression pedal and assign it > > as I currently do that is to control the volume of each of the 3 > > phrases and also share the same "Exp/Ctrl 3,4 jack" with a y cord > > for 2 temporary switches to activate Control 3 and Control 4 > > Functions? > > > > I currently use the Cntl1 for switching the Overdub Mode and Cntl2 > > for "Current Clear" > > > > Anbody please? > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 21 16:04:09 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 092CE3BFA0; Thu, 21 Jun 2007 16:04:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: eterogeneo Reply-To: eterogeneo To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: 6 new songs on the Looper's Delight Community Podcast Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2007 18:02:47 +0200 Message-ID: X-Mailer: EPOC e-mail Versione 2.10 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71465 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2007 16:04:08 +0000 (UTC) Thanks for the feedback, people. I've read somewhere that i.tunes take some time to get the update of the xml file. I'm out now, but tomorrow i'll check out why Nebula doesn't work. Thanx fabio www.eterogeneo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 21 16:32:33 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 165FD3BFA0; Thu, 21 Jun 2007 16:32:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=QUnegdEUqrZmbIYos3mNc8FNqdPf1UMkJQtRF1PS9X009E3TmqbsCXIuAI8reVja3v1f15GIgqdC3FHOharGvUVmzqkgKQpUV8ZNNgcOOq0vOoLhB7s4vFFheu9JXZarDr8k6M/K7AhBctfHmfxbZGxp+xV64FWvEmEjFCuNvJ4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=nj9wgpauyTJHHZlebEJs0DcTQiCRbq80a7+IGV6mriv9D3AAwTR8+Bl+lAasUnIGaw2VfSI59ttLmTeQ1jF1qtQOrCSwhYSY0Dodr78riyK/MMbwIHGLRXSeSHZerfV59sSXY3ZpV7eC6F20kOZbZaMJjb+fjYmSTVgSRIyeViM= Message-ID: Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2007 17:32:31 +0100 From: Os Sender: expertsleepers@googlemail.com To: eterogeneo Subject: Re: 6 new songs on the Looper's Delight Community Podcast Cc: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: X-Google-Sender-Auth: 03152c6daf742a80 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71466 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2007 16:32:33 +0000 (UTC) It looks to be the only mp3 filename with a space in it. cheers, os. On 21/06/07, eterogeneo wrote: > Thanks for the feedback, people. > I've read somewhere that i.tunes take some time to get the update of the > xml file. > I'm out now, but tomorrow i'll check out why Nebula doesn't work. > > Thanx > > fabio > www.eterogeneo.com > > -- os@collective.co.uk http://www.collective.co.uk/ http://www.myspace.com/darkroomtheband From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 21 17:05:14 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1EC4A3BFA0; Thu, 21 Jun 2007 17:05:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=Ed/e6lh02QUQIygm4ZI09h+8FOnVcoYRe/c1EJjzbCqE7sr7zPKHgXXDaYqsJxG8BhyKanNde1q8DN+QyZryzL/cmVsZJnPa6HJfeo3IcwaccfM2eh3QNVsU4XuFmGk3f+IYzzDFNlOZZerVsNGqb0dlo4gjAMBMvYL+CshibqU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=SZmYYBo6kbX2UMLkNLN69ZU0kdndBlBsgGCbxmjU+ED7jn5ID9ZaYo7vEVjGRmJhUGEd/C98ezYGjyiamq5OJ1ogzmFyssSV35oDAmklJaTxl6NnOhATO65qJ6awPbEtdn1WFenXnNasB+Vq4TXzM/BHYts1iYNPToCrgVQpcnU= Message-ID: <4759e5740706211005h5e7a17d4te51d1db833f79269@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2007 13:05:11 -0400 From: "todd reynolds" Reply-To: todd@toddreynolds.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: The Artist's Right To Be Boring (was: Re: the best.... the worst....) In-Reply-To: <739c7e2a9ea7d9ff69b65bf66a00d9e4@mac.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_3794_782480.1182445511348" References: <739c7e2a9ea7d9ff69b65bf66a00d9e4@mac.com> Resent-Message-ID: <5hvD_.A.s3F.J_qeGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71467 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2007 17:05:14 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_3794_782480.1182445511348 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline and the buddha shows his face AGAIN... t. On 6/21/07, Paul Mimlitsch wrote: > > In a nutshell; > > 1) just do what you do > 2) it is what it is > 3) move on > > -- http://www.toddreynolds.com |: http://myspace.com/toddreynoldsmusic |: ------------------------------------------------------|: 917.576.6166 todd@toddreynolds.com toddreyn@gmail.com ------=_Part_3794_782480.1182445511348 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline and the buddha shows his face AGAIN...

t.

On 6/21/07, Paul Mimlitsch <pmimlitsch@mac.com> wrote:

In a nutshell;

1) just do what you do
2) it is what it is
3) move on

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toddreyn@gmail.com ------=_Part_3794_782480.1182445511348-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 21 17:15:19 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C3E443BF9B; Thu, 21 Jun 2007 17:15:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-UNTD-OriginStamp: wE15mMxaCGdImpQmRPxb5NJtaoyKlecoydK3/fPHebEJqodo5+pu2w== X-Originating-IP: [206.193.127.2] Mime-Version: 1.0 From: "Weg" Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2007 17:14:22 GMT To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Quick live looper feedback please X-Mailer: Webmail Version 4.0 Message-Id: <20070621.131422.11583.0@webmail19.dca.untd.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative;boundary="--__JWM__J3dd3.7863S.3097M" X-ContentStamp: 2:1:2483993877 X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 10.171.12.159|webmail19.dca.untd.com|webmail19.dca.untd.com|theweg@netzero.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71468 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2007 17:15:19 +0000 (UTC) ----__JWM__J3dd3.7863S.3097M Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain Ted said" Try as I may, I cannot totally convince them that the technolg= y is neutral and they = won't wind up like me -- playing avant mutant music from some other not = quite normal = planet. Heheheh." I started out playing blues and still do! I also play some latin, jaz= z, rock, ect... Tell your friends even Martians can get the blues, and = what is wrong with playing like you, I've heard your stuff online and it= sounds great! some of that martian blues is deep and can come off as a= vant mutant music, but only the ears can tell! = Peace, Weg ----__JWM__J3dd3.7863S.3097M Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/html

Ted said" Try as I may, I cannot totally convince them that the= technolgy is neutral and they
won't wind up like me -- playing avan= t mutant music from some other not quite normal
planet. Heheheh."

I started out playing blues and still do! I also play so= me latin, jazz, rock, ect... Tell your friends even Martians can g= et the blues, and what is wrong with playing like you, I've heard your s= tuff online and it sounds great! some of that martian blues is dee= p and can come off as avant mutant music, but only the ears can tell!

Peace,

Weg

----__JWM__J3dd3.7863S.3097M-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 21 17:40:24 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 74C5F3BFA3; Thu, 21 Jun 2007 17:40:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <645493.22636.qm@web32715.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <645493.22636.qm@web32715.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <40C088ED-46A0-4F3B-B19A-538E7682BFB3@zerocrossing.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Mark Sottilaro Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Ich_bin_eine_Nervens=E4ge_=28Was:_The_Artist's_Ri?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q?ght_To_Be_Boring=29?= Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2007 10:39:41 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71469 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2007 17:40:23 +0000 (UTC) I've been lurking in this thread... and as a performer who's =20 profoundly dull... I think I've come to the conclusion that, for me, =20 the world of music puts too much of an emphasis on performance. I've =20= got to say that at 95% of music shows I've ever been too... I'm =20 usually ready to leave after about a half hour no matter how much I =20 like the music. I'm usually too far away... it's too loud, Fripp is =20 shrouded in darkness (literally and metaphorically) Dancing is not =20 an option because it's too crowded (screw you hippy ass hole jumping =20 around like an idiot running into people at the last Belew show... =20 I'M TALKING TO YOU!) Yeah. On the other hand, I love playing with other musicians... just not on =20= stage. Last time I jammed on stage with other musicians (Rick and =20 Bill Walker) I couldn't hear our monitors at all and as it turned out =20= I was screamingly loud compared to them (as reported by my friends). =20= So, while being fun to me it probably wasn't much fun for the =20 audience. Hopefully they were distracted by the pretty video of sea =20 life we were projecting behind us, or our collective devilishly good =20 looks. Oh yeah, and during my solo performance my KAOSS pad (true to =20= it's name) decided it was OK to start sending MIDI program change =20 messages done the line (after I asked it nicely not to) and a turn of =20= the program change knob scrolled through my guitar patches at =20 hyperspeed while I was sustaining a chord... Hmm. So... I'm boring and un-fun to watch. I put up videos and video =20 games projected behind me to cover the fact that I'm creating ambient =20= drones and mostly making eye contact with LCD displays. I'm losing =20 my head hair and rapidly gaining ear hair. I'm nervous, unskilled at =20= many instruments and a bit of a blowhard because I want you to like =20 me and think I'm cool so I over compensate. Anyway, if anyone would like to perform with me, at my home, with my =20 dog and cat as our audience, let me know. I've just set up shop in =20 Emeryville CA and I'm itching to bore. Mark On Jun 20, 2007, at 5:58 PM, bill bigrig wrote: > Howdy, > > I know exactly how you feel. In 86 I had a > couple or 3 stacks of keyboards, drum machines, etc. I > met a man through a buddy I had been jamming with for > a couple years at a party. i told him " you gotta come > over to my place and jam" after I found out he bought > a keyboard from aformentioned buddy. We met EVERY Wd. > night for 16 years and NEVER learned a song made by > someone else. We'd noodle around until some groove > kinda fell into place, pause, and hit record on my > cassette deck. I have over 90 cassettes filled with > muzik that is mostly not listenable, BUT, there are 3 > or 4 good CDs among all that stuff, PLUS, countless > grooves that one can use for inspiration to compose > something good indeed. > Rig > > > --- tEd =AE kiLLiAn wrote: > >> Stefan, >> >> You make a lot of blanket assertions there. Fine. I >> have here a few of my own. >> >> It has been so long since I posted my commments on >> this thread that I do not even remember what frame >> of mind I was in -- probably depressed (which I >> usually am after most public performances). Yeah, >> that's a bad attitude alright. >> >> I have been doing this stuff (looping and >> improvising) for well over 20 years. I think I can >> say from experience (and I am entitled to my opinion >> too, I think) that I know pretty damn well when a >> performance went successfully . . . or was a failure >> . . . or was some odd mix of the two. >> >> It is in the nature of improvisation to be risky -- >> and we either learn to accomodate ourselves to the >> possibility of failure (and the hope or possibility >> of success) and persevere under those terms and >> circumstances . . . or we do not. Myself, I choose >> to persevere . . . but I also choose to not always >> wear a false smile on my face while doing it. >> >> "There is no BAD music" Well, you may just as easily >> say there is no GOOD music either. We all (in or >> heart of hearts) know this is nonsense. Otherwise, >> we wouldn't continually take the risks we do, try as >> hard as we do to become better, to learn, and to >> grow. Hell, we probably wouldn't even bother to play >> for that matter. >> >> Far from being a plea or an attempt to secure myself >> from failure, I was simply trying to say what I >> believe is true. Sometimes we FAIL. Sometimes we are >> BAD. It would be healthier (I think) if we could >> talk about it and not hide from it continually. >> >> If I perceive a given performance as being less than >> it could have been, yes it CAN help to know that >> some audience member or another had a different >> opinion and enjoyed it. It CAN lessen the pain a >> little. But that doesn't mean I dispose of my own >> experience and critical accessment and paste a big >> smile on my puss either. >> >> I'd say, a good 90% of what I do is simply show up >> and play (physically and mentally prepared of >> course) but with no rehearsal, set list or agenda >> other than to create something GOOD. That is what I >> aim for. That is what I do. That is what I am about. >> Sometimes it works. Sometimes it's golden. Sometimes >> it's shit. Sometimes its something of a mix >> (gold-plated doo doo or poop-covered gold brick). >> >> I'm a live-looping guitar player, but on rare >> occasions (the other 10% or less) I will go also >> with some "canned" loops of found noises, >> atmospheres, textures, rhythmic patterns and simple >> musical motifs, along with some notion that I will >> use them somhow . . . but will determine that "how" >> during performance. This could be considered some >> sort (or level) of improvisation too. You be the >> judge. >> >> Less than 1% of the time I will attempt to actually >> play one of the improvised pieces from my CD. I >> don't know why I do this, probably a sense of >> audience expectation or something -- or maybe a >> false self-expectation more likely. But it is almost >> 100% guaranteed to come out as a giant musical turd. >> Nevertheless, I sometimes fool myself into thinking >> I can do it. >> >> I have played some significant improv gigs upon >> occassion where it simply came out all wrong. >> Nothing went right. Nothing I tried worked. I felt >> like a fool and an idiot and a charlatan -- and I'm >> pretty sure most of the audience felt that way too. >> But I'd rather die than pretend it was all roses and >> tell myself that there is no such thing as BAD art >> or music. I don't believe it for a minute. >> >> I will say it again: Sometimes we (especially those >> of us who improvise) need to be allowed to fail. >> >> Best regards, >> >> Ted Killian >> >> ---- Stefan Tiedje wrote: >>> tEd =AE kiLLiAn schrieb: >>>> In my experience, it is impossible to depend >> upon or predict success >>>> when you start out with a blank slate for every >> performance. >>> >>> But starting out with a blank slate is the core of >> improvisation... >>> If you put something into it to secure yourself, >> you failed already... >>> >>>> I fall flat on my face about as many times as I >> do well. >>>> >>>> The risk of being an abject failure is all too >> very real . . . and >>>> the consequences painful. >>> >>> But the times it goes well are worth to risk the >> "failure"... >>> >>>> Even when the audience and promoter(s) >> themselves are very forgiving >>>> it can be devastating to not live up to ones own >> expectations. >>> >>> Even if you "fail" out of your own perspective, >> because you know of your >>> own, better performances, the audience will grab >> something, maybe just >>> unconsciously an imagination of where it could >> have been gone if you >>> didn't "fail"... >>> >>>> Many positivly disposed listeners may just >> figure that it's >>>> "abstract" or "avant garde" or "new" and not >> realize that it also can >>>> be truly BAD as well. >>> >>> There is no BAD music, but there could be bad >> attitude. I suspect >>> securing yourself against "failure" is bad >> attitude and the result is >>> eventually not music... its more like showing off >> skills in the >>> circus... Which does help for acceptance of the >> audience sometimes, but >>> its not really interesting... >>> Either there is music, or there is not. Nothing >> in-between. This is true >>> for any instrument, being it a laptop or a >> cello/sousaphone/foot >>> pedal-bar... >>> With known instruments its just easier to show off >> skills, with laptops >>> it looks more abstract... But don't get me wrong, >> skills do help a lot >>> to make music, but anything you do often enough >> will develop your skills >>> anyway. >>> >>> In short, the attitude is more important than >> skills. Or for those who >>> need to avoid new age: The path is important, not >> the destination... >>> >>>> Artists need to be accorded a "right to be >> awful" from time to time . >>>> . . some of us more than others. >>> >>> Obviously you insist on your right to take a risk. >> That's an attitude >>> which will lead to music. The audience will >> appreciate this much more >>> often, than you think you did it well.... >>> >>> .......... >>> >>> The good thing about looping is being able to >> start with a blank slate, >>> and still being able to build a structure. >>> >>> The worst is the dependency on technology (if it >> fails). >>> >>> Stefan >> >> >> > > > > =20 > ______________________________________________________________________=20= > ______________ > Shape Yahoo! in your own image. Join our Network Research Panel =20 > today! http://surveylink.yahoo.com/gmrs/yahoo_panel_invite.asp?a=3D7 > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 21 17:52:49 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2039E3BFA8; Thu, 21 Jun 2007 17:52:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <584154917.1182448356362.JavaMail.root@fepweb04> Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2007 10:52:36 -0700 From: =?utf-8?Q?tEd_=C2=AE_kiLLiAn?= To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: MARTIAN BLUES (Was: Re: Quick live looper feedback please Cc: Weg MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Sensitivity: Normal X-Originating-IP: from 66.169.241.110 by mail.charter.net; Thu, 21 Jun 2007 13:52:36 -0400 X-Chzlrs: 0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71470 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2007 17:52:49 +0000 (UTC) Weg, Heheh. I'm too "white" to play the blues very well - even Martian blues (not enough green in me either). At least that's what I feel like . . . and what usually tell people (as an excuse). Thanks for the compliments though. When I was a kid I did the bottle-neck slide Leo Kottke (type) thing for a long, long time though. Then, somewhere along the way (1982), I discovered "electricity" so-to-speak (FX and eventually looping). Heheheh. Gear Aquisition Syndrome (GAS) ruined my life - almost overnight I became a musical mutant. LOL. But I still play old-timey dobro in church every other Sunday. So I guess there is still something sortta "normal" in there. Best regards, Ted ---- Weg wrote: > > Ted said" Try as I may, I cannot totally convince them that the technolgy is neutral and they > won't wind up like me -- playing avant mutant music from some other not quite normal > planet. Heheheh." > > I started out playing blues and still do! I also play some latin, jazz, rock, ect... Tell your friends even Martians can get the blues, and what is wrong with playing like you, I've heard your stuff online and it sounds great! some of that martian blues is deep and can come off as avant mutant music, but only the ears can tell! > > Peace, > Weg From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 21 18:37:30 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CE0133BFA9; Thu, 21 Jun 2007 18:37:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-UNTD-OriginStamp: wE15mMxaCGdImpQmRPxb5NJtaoyKlecorIk1BBu1ddVcDI46Zp6pXQ== X-Originating-IP: [206.193.127.2] Mime-Version: 1.0 From: "Weg" Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2007 18:36:50 GMT To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: MARTIAN BLUES (Was: Re: Quick live looper feedback please X-Mailer: Webmail Version 4.0 Message-Id: <20070621.143650.13807.0@webmail17.dca.untd.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative;boundary="--__JWM__J1cc2.211aS.0651M" X-ContentStamp: 2:2:4191190866 X-MAIL-INFO:11eaf3d73efb4e6f47871aba2e X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 10.171.12.157|webmail17.dca.untd.com|webmail17.dca.untd.com|theweg@netzero.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71471 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2007 18:37:30 +0000 (UTC) ----__JWM__J1cc2.211aS.0651M Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain Weg, Heheh. I'm too "white" to play the blues very well - even Martian blues = (not = enough green in me either). At least that's what I feel like . . . and what usually tell people (as = an excuse). Thanks for the compliments though. When I was a kid I did the bottle-neck slide Leo Kottke (type) thing for= a long, long time = though. Then, somewhere along the way (1982), I discovered "electricity" so-to-= speak = (FX and eventually looping). Heheheh. Gear Aquisition Syndrome (GAS) ruined my life - almost overnigh= t I became a = musical mutant. LOL. But I still play old-timey dobro in church every other Sunday. So I guess there is still something sortta "normal" in there. Best regards, LOL, I started with Electric blues in 75 and went acoustic in 78 with a= 75 gibson gospel. I lucked into a 1929 "gold" dobro in 1980. The old = tin one painted gold, I still have it and love it for slide. In 77 I qu= it my job at the music store to purchase a 1955 Gibson Les Paul Special = TV model that I was told they would not sell to an employee.... Lousy pa= wn shop owner... but I didn't care becuase I loved the guitar.. I still = have them all but my 75 strat which I sold to go to college in 83. I de= cided some education might be nice.... Oddly I start looping the blues = back then with cassettes along with my brother so we could "overdub" fro= m cassette to cassette. It wasn't until 80 when I purchased a TEAC 4 tr= ack that I thought I died and went to heaven. I thank my grandfather fo= r that kind of support or else I would still be using cassettes! Although I like old Delta blues, Muddy sure made it loud and proud whic= h is the first type of blues I remember along with Elvis. I am 47 by th= e way and at an early age while my mother was busy having kids my grandf= ather loaned my parents a "nanny" to help out. This wonderful lady was = a jazz singer that is still known for her pipes in these parts.... WV. a= nd long since dead. I learned many a melody from her...... Still is a= ll blues to me, somebody telling their woes to someone else, or revealin= g feelings to the world.... sounds like blues to me, even when it is the= voice of the a (insert instrument here), searching for the right note! = I love music! = Weg ----__JWM__J1cc2.211aS.0651M Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/html

Weg,

Heheh. I'm too "white" to play the blues very well = - even Martian blues (not
enough green in me either).

At leas= t that's what I feel like . . . and what usually tell people (as an excu= se).

Thanks for the compliments though.

When I was a kid I= did the bottle-neck slide Leo Kottke (type) thing for a long, long time=
though.

Then, somewhere along the way (1982), I discov= ered "electricity" so-to-speak
(FX and eventually looping).

H= eheheh. Gear Aquisition Syndrome (GAS) ruined my life - almost overnight= I became a
musical mutant. LOL.

But I still play old-timey d= obro in church every other Sunday.

So I guess there is still some= thing sortta "normal" in there.

Best regards,

LOL, I started with Electric blues in 75 and went acoustic= in 78 with a 75 gibson gospel. I lucked into a 1929 "gold" dobro = in 1980. The old tin one painted gold, I still have it and love it= for slide. In 77 I quit my job at the music store to purchase a 1= 955 Gibson Les Paul Special TV model that I was told they would not sell= to an employee.... Lousy pawn shop owner... but I didn't care becuase I= loved the guitar.. I still have them all but my 75 strat which I sold t= o go to college in 83. I decided some education might be nice....&= nbsp; Oddly I start looping the blues back then with cassettes along wit= h my brother so we could "overdub" from cassette to cassette. It w= asn't until 80 when I purchased a TEAC 4 track that I thought I died and= went to heaven. I thank my grandfather for that kind of support o= r else I would still be using cassettes!

Although I like old Delta blues, Muddy sure made it loud and pr= oud which is the first type of blues I remember along with Elvis.&n= bsp; I am 47 by the way and at an early age while my mother was busy hav= ing kids my grandfather loaned my parents a "nanny" to help out. T= his wonderful lady was a jazz singer that is still known for her pipes i= n these parts.... WV. and long since dead. I learned many a melody= from her...... Still is all blues to me, somebody telling t= heir woes to someone else, or revealing feelings to the world.... sounds= like blues to me, even when it is the voice of the a (insert instrument= here), searching for the right note!

I love music!

Weg

----__JWM__J1cc2.211aS.0651M-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 21 18:40:37 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 805D23BF9D; Thu, 21 Jun 2007 18:40:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <89332367.1182451236846.JavaMail.root@fepweb04> Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2007 11:40:36 -0700 From: =?utf-8?Q?tEd_=C2=AE_kiLLiAn?= To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: =?utf-8?Q?Re:_Ich_bin_eine_Nervens=C3=A4ge_(Was:?= =?utf-8?Q?_The_Artist's_Right_To_Be_Boring)?= Cc: Mark Sottilaro MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Sensitivity: Normal X-Originating-IP: from 66.169.241.110 by mail.charter.net; Thu, 21 Jun 2007 14:40:35 -0400 X-Chzlrs: 0 Resent-Message-ID: <02quEB.A.cnE.lYseGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71472 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2007 18:40:37 +0000 (UTC) Mark, Heheh. I'm tempted to say "Hey the next time the wife and I head down for a= n a Bay Area IKEA run . . ."=20 But then there's your mention of a cat . . . and I'm rather alergic. Maybe some day . . . I always enjoyed your sets at the various loopfest I saw you at - and thoug= ht/think something collaborative would be interesting. Best regards, tEd =C2=AE kiLLiAn "Different is not always better, but better is always different" Flux Aeterna: http://phobos.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewAlbum?p= layListId=3D6378076=20 Also check out the BEMF 1 CDs at: http://www.boisemusicians.com/experimenta= l/cd.htm http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073 http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314 http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193 http://www.loopers-delight.com/cgi-bin/profiles.cgi?step=3Dview_profile&id= =3D121197000042 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So??? ---- Mark Sottilaro wrote:=20 > I've been lurking in this thread... and as a performer who's =20 > profoundly dull... I think I've come to the conclusion that, for me, =20 > the world of music puts too much of an emphasis on performance. I've =20 > got to say that at 95% of music shows I've ever been too... I'm =20 > usually ready to leave after about a half hour no matter how much I =20 > like the music. I'm usually too far away... it's too loud, Fripp is =20 > shrouded in darkness (literally and metaphorically) Dancing is not =20 > an option because it's too crowded (screw you hippy ass hole jumping =20 > around like an idiot running into people at the last Belew show... =20 > I'M TALKING TO YOU!) >=20 > Yeah. >=20 > On the other hand, I love playing with other musicians... just not on =20 > stage. Last time I jammed on stage with other musicians (Rick and =20 > Bill Walker) I couldn't hear our monitors at all and as it turned out =20 > I was screamingly loud compared to them (as reported by my friends). =20 > So, while being fun to me it probably wasn't much fun for the =20 > audience. Hopefully they were distracted by the pretty video of sea =20 > life we were projecting behind us, or our collective devilishly good =20 > looks. Oh yeah, and during my solo performance my KAOSS pad (true to =20 > it's name) decided it was OK to start sending MIDI program change =20 > messages done the line (after I asked it nicely not to) and a turn of =20 > the program change knob scrolled through my guitar patches at =20 > hyperspeed while I was sustaining a chord... >=20 > Hmm. >=20 > So... I'm boring and un-fun to watch. I put up videos and video =20 > games projected behind me to cover the fact that I'm creating ambient =20 > drones and mostly making eye contact with LCD displays. I'm losing =20 > my head hair and rapidly gaining ear hair. I'm nervous, unskilled at =20 > many instruments and a bit of a blowhard because I want you to like =20 > me and think I'm cool so I over compensate. >=20 > Anyway, if anyone would like to perform with me, at my home, with my =20 > dog and cat as our audience, let me know. I've just set up shop in =20 > Emeryville CA and I'm itching to bore. >=20 > Mark >=20 > On Jun 20, 2007, at 5:58 PM, bill bigrig wrote: >=20 > > Howdy, > > > > I know exactly how you feel. In 86 I had a > > couple or 3 stacks of keyboards, drum machines, etc. I > > met a man through a buddy I had been jamming with for > > a couple years at a party. i told him " you gotta come > > over to my place and jam" after I found out he bought > > a keyboard from aformentioned buddy. We met EVERY Wd. > > night for 16 years and NEVER learned a song made by > > someone else. We'd noodle around until some groove > > kinda fell into place, pause, and hit record on my > > cassette deck. I have over 90 cassettes filled with > > muzik that is mostly not listenable, BUT, there are 3 > > or 4 good CDs among all that stuff, PLUS, countless > > grooves that one can use for inspiration to compose > > something good indeed. > > Rig > > > > > > --- tEd =C2=AE kiLLiAn wrote: > > > >> Stefan, > >> > >> You make a lot of blanket assertions there. Fine. I > >> have here a few of my own. > >> > >> It has been so long since I posted my commments on > >> this thread that I do not even remember what frame > >> of mind I was in -- probably depressed (which I > >> usually am after most public performances). Yeah, > >> that's a bad attitude alright. > >> > >> I have been doing this stuff (looping and > >> improvising) for well over 20 years. I think I can > >> say from experience (and I am entitled to my opinion > >> too, I think) that I know pretty damn well when a > >> performance went successfully . . . or was a failure > >> . . . or was some odd mix of the two. > >> > >> It is in the nature of improvisation to be risky -- > >> and we either learn to accomodate ourselves to the > >> possibility of failure (and the hope or possibility > >> of success) and persevere under those terms and > >> circumstances . . . or we do not. Myself, I choose > >> to persevere . . . but I also choose to not always > >> wear a false smile on my face while doing it. > >> > >> "There is no BAD music" Well, you may just as easily > >> say there is no GOOD music either. We all (in or > >> heart of hearts) know this is nonsense. Otherwise, > >> we wouldn't continually take the risks we do, try as > >> hard as we do to become better, to learn, and to > >> grow. Hell, we probably wouldn't even bother to play > >> for that matter. > >> > >> Far from being a plea or an attempt to secure myself > >> from failure, I was simply trying to say what I > >> believe is true. Sometimes we FAIL. Sometimes we are > >> BAD. It would be healthier (I think) if we could > >> talk about it and not hide from it continually. > >> > >> If I perceive a given performance as being less than > >> it could have been, yes it CAN help to know that > >> some audience member or another had a different > >> opinion and enjoyed it. It CAN lessen the pain a > >> little. But that doesn't mean I dispose of my own > >> experience and critical accessment and paste a big > >> smile on my puss either. > >> > >> I'd say, a good 90% of what I do is simply show up > >> and play (physically and mentally prepared of > >> course) but with no rehearsal, set list or agenda > >> other than to create something GOOD. That is what I > >> aim for. That is what I do. That is what I am about. > >> Sometimes it works. Sometimes it's golden. Sometimes > >> it's shit. Sometimes its something of a mix > >> (gold-plated doo doo or poop-covered gold brick). > >> > >> I'm a live-looping guitar player, but on rare > >> occasions (the other 10% or less) I will go also > >> with some "canned" loops of found noises, > >> atmospheres, textures, rhythmic patterns and simple > >> musical motifs, along with some notion that I will > >> use them somhow . . . but will determine that "how" > >> during performance. This could be considered some > >> sort (or level) of improvisation too. You be the > >> judge. > >> > >> Less than 1% of the time I will attempt to actually > >> play one of the improvised pieces from my CD. I > >> don't know why I do this, probably a sense of > >> audience expectation or something -- or maybe a > >> false self-expectation more likely. But it is almost > >> 100% guaranteed to come out as a giant musical turd. > >> Nevertheless, I sometimes fool myself into thinking > >> I can do it. > >> > >> I have played some significant improv gigs upon > >> occassion where it simply came out all wrong. > >> Nothing went right. Nothing I tried worked. I felt > >> like a fool and an idiot and a charlatan -- and I'm > >> pretty sure most of the audience felt that way too. > >> But I'd rather die than pretend it was all roses and > >> tell myself that there is no such thing as BAD art > >> or music. I don't believe it for a minute. > >> > >> I will say it again: Sometimes we (especially those > >> of us who improvise) need to be allowed to fail. > >> > >> Best regards, > >> > >> Ted Killian > >> > >> ---- Stefan Tiedje wrote: > >>> tEd =C2=AE kiLLiAn schrieb: > >>>> In my experience, it is impossible to depend > >> upon or predict success > >>>> when you start out with a blank slate for every > >> performance. > >>> > >>> But starting out with a blank slate is the core of > >> improvisation... > >>> If you put something into it to secure yourself, > >> you failed already... > >>> > >>>> I fall flat on my face about as many times as I > >> do well. > >>>> > >>>> The risk of being an abject failure is all too > >> very real . . . and > >>>> the consequences painful. > >>> > >>> But the times it goes well are worth to risk the > >> "failure"... > >>> > >>>> Even when the audience and promoter(s) > >> themselves are very forgiving > >>>> it can be devastating to not live up to ones own > >> expectations. > >>> > >>> Even if you "fail" out of your own perspective, > >> because you know of your > >>> own, better performances, the audience will grab > >> something, maybe just > >>> unconsciously an imagination of where it could > >> have been gone if you > >>> didn't "fail"... > >>> > >>>> Many positivly disposed listeners may just > >> figure that it's > >>>> "abstract" or "avant garde" or "new" and not > >> realize that it also can > >>>> be truly BAD as well. > >>> > >>> There is no BAD music, but there could be bad > >> attitude. I suspect > >>> securing yourself against "failure" is bad > >> attitude and the result is > >>> eventually not music... its more like showing off > >> skills in the > >>> circus... Which does help for acceptance of the > >> audience sometimes, but > >>> its not really interesting... > >>> Either there is music, or there is not. Nothing > >> in-between. This is true > >>> for any instrument, being it a laptop or a > >> cello/sousaphone/foot > >>> pedal-bar... > >>> With known instruments its just easier to show off > >> skills, with laptops > >>> it looks more abstract... But don't get me wrong, > >> skills do help a lot > >>> to make music, but anything you do often enough > >> will develop your skills > >>> anyway. > >>> > >>> In short, the attitude is more important than > >> skills. Or for those who > >>> need to avoid new age: The path is important, not > >> the destination... > >>> > >>>> Artists need to be accorded a "right to be > >> awful" from time to time . > >>>> . . some of us more than others. > >>> > >>> Obviously you insist on your right to take a risk. > >> That's an attitude > >>> which will lead to music. The audience will > >> appreciate this much more > >>> often, than you think you did it well.... > >>> > >>> .......... > >>> > >>> The good thing about looping is being able to > >> start with a blank slate, > >>> and still being able to build a structure. > >>> > >>> The worst is the dependency on technology (if it > >> fails). > >>> > >>> Stefan > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > =20 > > ______________________________________________________________________= =20 > > ______________ > > Shape Yahoo! in your own image. Join our Network Research Panel =20 > > today! http://surveylink.yahoo.com/gmrs/yahoo_panel_invite.asp?a=3D7 > > > > >=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 21 18:42:17 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D7E003BFA6; Thu, 21 Jun 2007 18:42:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <5.2.1.1.0.20070621114052.00e22bf8@mail.onemodelplace.com> X-Sender: CaraQuinn@mail.onemodelplace.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.1 Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2007 11:43:08 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Cara Quinn Subject: Re: EDP Multiply Question In-Reply-To: <46795A6A.5050806@hevanet.com> References: <467023DA.5000408@hevanet.com> <061320071459.5197.467006440009C0CC0000144D2216554886020A050C07080C0B0A079D00070B0703@comcast.net> <385aa74054b8861e3979c4d65bd21c4a@glasswing.com> <467023DA.5000408@hevanet.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-4AD6C42 Resent-Message-ID: <9B8JPC.A.x7E.JaseGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71473 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2007 18:42:17 +0000 (UTC) Hey David, sorry for the delay; have been very busy... -Am reacquainting myself with the EDP after a while, so am rereading the manual among other things. So far I (believe it or not) haven't found a way to do this, however, I'm sure it must be possible, so I'll continue to look, for you, as I go, K?... Have a wonderful day!!! Smiles, Cara At 09:48 AM 6/20/2007 -0700, you wrote: >I'm reposting this, as got overlooked in the laptop frenzy :-) > >All I want to do it copy the loop's material to another loop (which may >already have content). Do it w/o overdubbing, so I can noodle for a while >until I want to include it in this new spot. > >Regards 'n respect, David > >David Auker wrote: >>What setting(s) enables Multiply-to-next loop w/o any overdubbing going >>on? I mostly just want to copy to next loop (overiding any pre-existing >>material there), and play while that's happening but not overdub at that >>time. I'm using FCB1010, SwitchQuant=Cnf, >>AutoRecord=On, LoopCopy=Snd, LoopDelay=Stu. >> >>Thnx! >> >>David >> >> > > > > > >-- >No virus found in this incoming message. >Checked by AVG Free Edition. >Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 269.9.0/853 - Release Date: 6/18/2007 >3:02 PM --- View my on-line portfolio at: http://www.onemodelplace.com/CaraQuinn "The only things I really think are important, are love, and each other. -Then, anything is possible..." http://home.earthlink.net/~cara-quinn -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 269.9.0/853 - Release Date: 6/18/2007 3:02 PM From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 21 18:46:47 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DF0EB3BFB8; Thu, 21 Jun 2007 18:46:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <5.2.1.1.0.20070621114627.045cbae8@mail.onemodelplace.com> X-Sender: CaraQuinn@mail.onemodelplace.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.1 Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2007 11:47:49 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Cara Quinn Subject: Re: EDP Multiply Question In-Reply-To: <4679678A.1040804@tiscali.co.uk> References: <46795A6A.5050806@hevanet.com> <061320071459.5197.467006440009C0CC0000144D2216554886020A050C07080C0B0A079D00070B0703@comcast.net> <385aa74054b8861e3979c4d65bd21c4a@glasswing.com> <467023DA.5000408@hevanet.com> <46795A6A.5050806@hevanet.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-4AD6C42 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71474 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2007 18:46:47 +0000 (UTC) Thanks Andy, as in my prior note, I'm reacquainting myself with the EDP so this helps out a lot!... Have a great day!... Smiles, CQ At 06:44 PM 6/20/2007 +0100, you wrote: >Sorry, David, >It's pretty obviously my question. >The Interface Mode thing was my big input to LoopIV. > > > >What you want to achieve is possible with your current setup >1) Hit NextLoop >2) Do the noodling >3) Hit Mult when you want to OD the results of the noodling. > >I know that's not the answer you want ;-) > >so > >Or can be done by setting Loop/Delay = DEL > > >That puts you in Delay Mode, which changes the way Overdub works. >It makes overdubbing the default, so that when the OD(overdub) LED >is green you're always overdubbing. >Then hitting OD gives you a Freeze function >(i.e. switches overdub off) > >So in effect it's a model of a basic digital delay with a Freeze, >such as you might be familiar with. > >As long as you're in Freeze ( OD LED = Red )you can do a Multiply >and not have the input overdubbed. >(Note, that's exactly what you want). > >This feature was suggested by me during Loop IV development >in order to achieve exactly what you wanted here. >...but you need to thank Matthias Grob for programming it. > >Another possibility is to use a footpedal, and set Loop/Delay = Inp. >Then the pedal controls the volume of the input, so it's >just a matter of doing "toe up" when you Multiply. > >I notice you use StutterMode. >Sorry there's not a solution which allows you to do this and keep the >Stutters. > >...but if you have any audio examples of Stutter Mode use, >I'd love to hear them. > >andy butler >www.andybutler.com > >David Auker wrote: >>I'm reposting this, as got overlooked in the laptop frenzy :-) >>All I want to do it copy the loop's material to another loop (which may >>already have content). Do it w/o overdubbing, so I can noodle for a >>while until I want to include it in this new spot. >>Regards 'n respect, David >>David Auker wrote: >>>What setting(s) enables Multiply-to-next loop w/o any overdubbing going >>>on? I mostly just want to copy to next loop (overiding any pre-existing >>>material there), and play while that's happening but not overdub at that >>>time. I'm using FCB1010, SwitchQuant=Cnf, >>>AutoRecord=On, LoopCopy=Snd, LoopDelay=Stu. >>> >>>Thnx! >>> >>>David >>> >>> > > > > > >-- >No virus found in this incoming message. >Checked by AVG Free Edition. >Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 269.9.0/853 - Release Date: 6/18/2007 >3:02 PM --- View my on-line portfolio at: http://www.onemodelplace.com/CaraQuinn "The only things I really think are important, are love, and each other. -Then, anything is possible..." http://home.earthlink.net/~cara-quinn -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 269.9.0/853 - Release Date: 6/18/2007 3:02 PM From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 21 18:51:57 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 20EAE3BFB9; Thu, 21 Jun 2007 18:51:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-UNTD-OriginStamp: wE15mMxaCGdImpQmRPxb5NJtaoyKlecooWahvF3DwtiD9ytZm01ZlA== X-Originating-IP: [206.193.127.2] Mime-Version: 1.0 From: "Weg" Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2007 18:50:56 GMT To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Ich bin eine Nervensäge (Was: The Artist's Right To Be Boring) X-Mailer: Webmail Version 4.0 Message-Id: <20070621.145056.13807.1@webmail17.dca.untd.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative;boundary="--__JWM__J080d.3fd0S.21c1M" X-ContentStamp: 2:2:715285751 X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 10.171.12.157|webmail17.dca.untd.com|webmail17.dca.untd.com|theweg@netzero.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71475 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2007 18:51:57 +0000 (UTC) ----__JWM__J080d.3fd0S.21c1M Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain Hi Mark, and all! Mark said "On the other hand, I love playing with other musicians... j= ust not on = stage. Last time I jammed on stage with other musicians (Rick and = Bill Walker) I couldn't hear our monitors at all and as it turned out = I was screamingly loud compared to them (as reported by my friends). "= I think everyone gets to this state at some point in there playing exper= ience... We are currently experimenting with those cellphone bluetooth = earpieces to see if they will work as wireless monitors. We found a blu= etooth usb dongle and wait for them to come in. Our hopes are we can el= iminate some floor monitors in the studio and give more room for musicia= ns. On the playing out side of things here in WV there isn't much cash = for moving your equipment to a club and performing unless you have a lar= ge audience but the clubs are small and the doormen are not that honest = with the cash.... I'm sure everyone has experienced these or worse condi= tions, We hope to start house parties again like the old atlantic record= s, podcast it and possibly make some cash with the video/audio recording= s of the party..... or at least pay the rent.... = peace, Weg ----__JWM__J080d.3fd0S.21c1M Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/html

Hi Mark, and all!

Mark said "On the other hand, I love playing with other musici= ans... just not on
stage. Last time I jammed on stage wi= th other musicians (Rick and
Bill Walker) I couldn't hear our = monitors at all and as it turned out
I was screamingly loud co= mpared to them (as reported by my friends). "

I think everyone gets to this state at some point in there playing ex= perience... We are currently experimenting with those cellphone bl= uetooth earpieces to see if they will work as wireless monitors. W= e found a bluetooth usb dongle and wait for them to come in. Our h= opes are we can eliminate some floor monitors in the studio and give mor= e room for musicians. On the playing out side of things here in WV= there isn't much cash for moving your equipment to a club and performin= g unless you have a large audience but the clubs are small and the doorm= en are not that honest with the cash.... I'm sure everyone has experienc= ed these or worse conditions, We hope to start house parties again like = the old atlantic records, podcast it and possibly make some ca= sh with the video/audio recordings of the party..... or at least pay the= rent....

peace,

Weg

----__JWM__J080d.3fd0S.21c1M-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 21 18:53:49 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9AE6E3BFC0; Thu, 21 Jun 2007 18:53:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <00b401c7b435$7f05a050$9db1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: New Videos (Google collection, BEMF2 of me and Lumper-Splitter, etc) Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2007 12:53:43 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00B1_01C7B403.33042640" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71476 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2007 18:53:49 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00B1_01C7B403.33042640 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello, hello -=20 Here is an update on my published real-time looping videos. First, all of them are now on Google, all 8 of them: = http://video.google.com/videosearch?q=3DKrispen+Hartung Second, I just finalized the video of me and Lumper-Splitter from = Oakland, CA (Joe Rut and Lucio Menegon) performing at the 2nd Annual = Boise Experimental Music Festival.=20 I really like this video, first because I have always enjoyed the = natural and creative improvisational energy of Joe and Lucio; and = second, because I think our performnace had some interesting sections, = call and response, dynamics, and a subtle and playful reference to = Lumper-Splitter's "Hello, Hello" performance last year. It's also my = first vocal only performance.=20 Check it out...let's call it "Goodbye, Goodbye": Google: = http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3D3175298311949657066&hl=3Den Box.net: http://www.box.net/shared/zfb5jmhsqe or = http://www.box.net/shared/static/zfb5jmhsqe.wmv It's me with just vocals and laptop (mainly Reaktor and some MAX = generated VST effects), Joe on guitar, found sound, and elecronics; and = Lucio on guitar, found sound, and electronics.=20 I hope you enjoy it! Kris *************************************************************************= * Krispen Hartung www.krispenhartung.com / www.myspace.com/krispenhartung info@krispenhartung.com Discography - http://www.krispenhartung.com/catalogue.htm CD Baby Discography: http://cdbaby.com/all/khartung ------=_NextPart_000_00B1_01C7B403.33042640 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hello, hello -

Here is an update on my = published real-time=20 looping videos.

First, all of them are now on Google, = all 8 of=20 them: http://v= ideo.google.com/videosearch?q=3DKrispen+Hartung

Second, I just finalized the video of = me and=20 Lumper-Splitter from Oakland, CA (Joe Rut and = Lucio=20 Menegon) performing at the 2nd Annual Boise Experimental Music=20 Festival.

I really like this video, first because = I have=20 always enjoyed the natural and creative improvisational energy of Joe = and Lucio;=20 and second, because I think our performnace had some interesting = sections, call=20 and response, dynamics, and a subtle and playful reference to = Lumper-Splitter's=20 "Hello, Hello" performance last year. It's also my first vocal only=20 performance.

Check it out...let's call it "Goodbye,=20 Goodbye":

Google: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3D3175298311949657066&a= mp;hl=3Den

Box.net: http://www.box.net/shared/z= fb5jmhsqe or=20 http://www.box.n= et/shared/static/zfb5jmhsqe.wmv

It's me with just vocals and laptop = (mainly Reaktor=20 and some MAX generated VST effects), Joe on guitar, found sound, and = elecronics;=20 and Lucio on guitar, found sound, and electronics.

I hope you enjoy it!

Kris

****************************************************************= **********
Krispen=20 Hartung
www.krispenhartung.com /=20 www.myspace.com/krispenhar= tung
info@krispenhartung.com

Discography - http://www.krispenha= rtung.com/catalogue.htm
CD=20 Baby Discography: http://cdbaby.com/all/khartung=20

------=_NextPart_000_00B1_01C7B403.33042640-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 21 19:07:54 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BEB073BFB9; Thu, 21 Jun 2007 19:07:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-YMail-OSG: R8HaCNgVM1n4cG9cVzB64qU8bm41C1UEkct_Y1Iny_BLtE2WUeibqBFVAC.B8IT8rMuO5e5LDQ-- Message-ID: <000401c7b437$73236950$4101a8c0@MICHAELPLISHKA> From: "Michael Plishka" To: References: <645493.22636.qm@web32715.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <40C088ED-46A0-4F3B-B19A-538E7682BFB3@zerocrossing.net> Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_Ich_bin_eine_Nervens=E4ge_=28Was:_The_Artist's_Right_T?= =?iso-8859-1?Q?o_Be_Boring=29?= Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2007 14:07:42 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: <3WkvuB.A.z8G.KyseGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71477 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2007 19:07:54 +0000 (UTC) Unfortunately (or perhaps fortunately), improv music is an art-form that contrary to other media such as painting, the people observing have no idea what they will get until the first buzz sounds and the last drone ends. Oh sure, they know they're getting improv but they've already plunked down money(hopefully) and while they may know approximately what they're getting it's not like walking into an exhibition of Modern Art and saying, "Ohh I like that, I'll buy it," or "yuck, who would pay for that?" Hence, true improv looping without any non-improv stuff, does indeed lend itself more to the crowd that wants to enjoy the process not the result. Though if the result fits their likings, so much the better! Either way the music is the baby and one can't just wing it without trying to "do it right", at least to ourselves. But without the proper audience, it becomes a somewhat selfish exercise of "They paid me, here I go!" In such an environment, detachment from the end result would probably serve the looper better and is perhaps easier than for those who perform non-improv tunes where a result is expected. Reminds me of one of my gigs a couple years ago where I reintroduced looping into my tunes after many years without. Turns out the sound guy had no idea what he was doing and as I started my first tune he started messing with the EQ right in the midst of the beginning looping part. The result? A 20 second loop that played for the entire song that had interesting layers of bass feedback. (the looper I had did not have UNDO) For me the song lost all resemblance to what I intended but salvaged it. In the end it became more improv than I intended and I had to throw out my intention of doing some reverse loops because it would have REALLY muddied the waters. The best thing about it was that folks came up afterwards saying how they loved my incorporating the "Hendrix sound" into that first song. The good news was that they didn't feel cheated by my performance. Of all things, while I do my best on stage and prepare, in the end, the folks that plunk down money to see me deserve to get their money's worth. Sometimes I don't know what they want -and to some extent that's MY fault for not researching the gig and the demographic properly. Don't get me wrong, I do plenty of "letting it unfold" type of stuff and I DO need to be true to myself. But in a paid gig, I do have an obligation of sorts to give them their moneys worth. enough thoughts for now... Plish (whose intestines are improvising and causing me to loop to and from the washroom repeatedly) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Sottilaro" To: Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2007 12:39 PM Subject: Ich bin eine Nervensäge (Was: The Artist's Right To Be Boring) I've been lurking in this thread... and as a performer who's profoundly dull... I think I've come to the conclusion that, for me, the world of music puts too much of an emphasis on performance. I've got to say that at 95% of music shows I've ever been too... I'm usually ready to leave after about a half hour no matter how much I like the music. I'm usually too far away... it's too loud, Fripp is shrouded in darkness (literally and metaphorically) Dancing is not an option because it's too crowded (screw you hippy ass hole jumping around like an idiot running into people at the last Belew show... I'M TALKING TO YOU!) Yeah. On the other hand, I love playing with other musicians... just not on stage. Last time I jammed on stage with other musicians (Rick and Bill Walker) I couldn't hear our monitors at all and as it turned out I was screamingly loud compared to them (as reported by my friends). So, while being fun to me it probably wasn't much fun for the audience. Hopefully they were distracted by the pretty video of sea life we were projecting behind us, or our collective devilishly good looks. Oh yeah, and during my solo performance my KAOSS pad (true to it's name) decided it was OK to start sending MIDI program change messages done the line (after I asked it nicely not to) and a turn of the program change knob scrolled through my guitar patches at hyperspeed while I was sustaining a chord... Hmm. So... I'm boring and un-fun to watch. I put up videos and video games projected behind me to cover the fact that I'm creating ambient drones and mostly making eye contact with LCD displays. I'm losing my head hair and rapidly gaining ear hair. I'm nervous, unskilled at many instruments and a bit of a blowhard because I want you to like me and think I'm cool so I over compensate. Anyway, if anyone would like to perform with me, at my home, with my dog and cat as our audience, let me know. I've just set up shop in Emeryville CA and I'm itching to bore. Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 21 19:32:32 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7A3253BFA8; Thu, 21 Jun 2007 19:32:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Rev Fever Subject: Really OBSCURE inquiry Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2007 12:32:28 -0700 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71478 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2007 19:32:32 +0000 (UTC) A shot in the dark here, I realize, but back in the very 80's (or even late 70's?) in Austin Texas, there was an interesting musician who was a sax player and who did these LONG sax jams a la loops (and?). I am trying to remember this guy's name after MANY years, and keeping drawing a blank. I think(?) his first name was either Richard or Dickey, (OR...?) but I don't remember now? The other "interesting" thing about him was that he got sent to prison for marijuana, for mere possession or sales, I have no idea, but I DO know that the laws for ANY weed involvement there were HARSH and the sentences could very potentially be VERY LONG. But that is another subject entirely and I do not wish to get into. I just want to know more about him and what became of him and / or if there is anything about on the web (OR...?), or if any recordings he did survive,etc? Thanx! -Rev Fever From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 21 19:35:23 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6E5FE3BFBB; Thu, 21 Jun 2007 19:35:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com References: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Really OBSCURE inquiry Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2007 15:35:15 -0400 In-Reply-To: X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 From: harryesq@aol.com X-MB-Message-Type: User Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--------MB_8C982526D94C7C2_158C_D7EB_MBLK-R05.sysops.aol.com" X-Mailer: AOL WebMail 27618 Message-Id: <8C982526D94C7C2-158C-7243@MBLK-R05.sysops.aol.com> X-AOL-IP: 152.163.211.196 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71479 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2007 19:35:23 +0000 (UTC) ----------MB_8C982526D94C7C2_158C_D7EB_MBLK-R05.sysops.aol.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Could it be John Klemmer?=C2=A0 I don't know if he's from Texas but the time= would be right ....... Harry Weinberg, Esq. Law Offices of Harry Weinberg 11 Beach Street - 8th Floor New York, N.Y. 10013 (212) 989-2908 -----Original Message----- From: Rev Fever To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Sent: Thu, 21 Jun 2007 3:32 pm Subject: Really OBSCURE inquiry A shot in the dark here, I realize, but back in the very 80's (or even late=20= 70's?) in Austin Texas, there was an interesting musician who was a sax play= er=C2=A0 =C2=A0and who did these LONG sax jams a la loops (and?).=C2=A0 =C2=A0 I am trying to remember this guy's name after MANY years, and keeping drawin= g a blank.=C2=A0 I think(?) his first name was either Richard or Dickey, (OR...?) but I don't= remember now?=C2=A0 =C2=A0 The other "interesting" thing about him was that he got sent to prison for m= arijuana, for mere possession or sales, I have no idea,=C2=A0 but I DO know that the laws for ANY weed involvement there were HARSH and th= e sentences could very potentially be VERY LONG.=C2=A0 But that is another subject entirely and I do not wish to get into.=C2=A0 =C2=A0 I just want to know more about him and what became of him and / or if there=20= is anything about on the web (OR...?), or if any recordings he did survive,e= tc?=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Thanx!=C2=A0 =C2=A0 -Rev Fever=C2=A0 =C2=A0 ________________________________________________________________________ AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from= AOL at AOL.com. ----------MB_8C982526D94C7C2_158C_D7EB_MBLK-R05.sysops.aol.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Could it be John Klemmer?=C2=A0 I don't know if he's from Texas but the time= would be right .......

Harry Weinberg, Esq.
Law Offices of Harry Weinberg
11 Beach Street - 8th Floor
New York, N.Y. 10013
(212) 989-2908

-----Original Message-----
From: Rev Fever
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Sent: Thu, 21 Jun 2007 3:32 pm
Subject: Really OBSCURE inquiry

A shot in the dark here, I realize, but bac= k in the very 80's (or even late 70's?) in Austin Texas, there was an intere= sting musician who was a sax player=C2=A0
=C2=A0and who did these LONG sax jams a la loops (and?).=C2=A0
=C2=A0
I am trying to remember this guy's name after MANY years, and keeping drawin= g a blank.=C2=A0
I think(?) his first name was either Richard or Dickey, (OR...?) but I don't= remember now?=C2=A0
=C2=A0
The other "interesting" thing about him was that he got sent to prison for m= arijuana, for mere possession or sales, I have no idea,=C2=A0
but I DO know that the laws for ANY weed involvement there were HARSH and th= e sentences could very potentially be VERY LONG.=C2=A0
But that is another subject entirely and I do not wish to get into.=C2=A0 =C2=A0
I just want to know more about him and what became of him and / or if there=20= is anything about on the web (OR...?), or if any recordings he did survive,e= tc?=C2=A0
=C2=A0
Thanx!=C2=A0
=C2=A0
-Rev Fever=C2=A0
=C2=A0

AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from= AOL at AOL.com.

----------MB_8C982526D94C7C2_158C_D7EB_MBLK-R05.sysops.aol.com-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 21 19:43:54 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 490583BFC5; Thu, 21 Jun 2007 19:43:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <8C982526D94C7C2-158C-7243@MBLK-R05.sysops.aol.com> References: <8C982526D94C7C2-158C-7243@MBLK-R05.sysops.aol.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-11-136884570 Message-Id: From: Rev Fever Subject: Re: Really OBSCURE inquiry Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2007 12:43:51 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71480 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2007 19:43:54 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-11-136884570 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Thanx for the reply, but I know that is not him. If / when I hear the correct name, it will come back to me immediately. The Mystery continues.... -Rev. Fever On Jun 21, 2007, at 12:35 PM, harryesq@aol.com wrote: > Could it be John Klemmer? I don't know if he's from Texas but the > time would be right ....... > > Harry Weinberg, Esq. > Law Offices of Harry Weinberg > 11 Beach Street - 8th Floor > New York, N.Y. 10013 > (212) 989-2908 > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rev Fever > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Sent: Thu, 21 Jun 2007 3:32 pm > Subject: Really OBSCURE inquiry > > A shot in the dark here, I realize, but back in the very 80's (or > even late 70's?) in Austin Texas, there was an interesting musician > who was a sax player > and who did these LONG sax jams a la loops (and?). > > I am trying to remember this guy's name after MANY years, and > keeping drawing a blank. > I think(?) his first name was either Richard or Dickey, (OR...?) > but I don't remember now? > > The other "interesting" thing about him was that he got sent to > prison for marijuana, for mere possession or sales, I have no idea, > but I DO know that the laws for ANY weed involvement there were > HARSH and the sentences could very potentially be VERY LONG. > But that is another subject entirely and I do not wish to get into. > > I just want to know more about him and what became of him and / or > if there is anything about on the web (OR...?), or if any > recordings he did survive,etc? > > Thanx! > > -Rev Fever > > AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's > free from AOL at AOL.com. --Apple-Mail-11-136884570 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Thanx for the reply,=A0 but I = know that is not him.=A0 =A0If / when I hear the correct name, it will = come back to me immediately.

The Mystery = continues....

-Rev. = Fever

On Jun 21, 2007, at 12:35 PM, harryesq@aol.com wrote:

Could it = be John Klemmer?=A0 I don't know if he's from Texas but the time would = be right .......

Harry Weinberg, = Esq.
Law Offices of Harry Weinberg
11 Beach Street - 8th = Floor
New York, N.Y. 10013
(212) 989-2908

= -----Original Message-----
From: Rev Fever
To: Loopers-Delight@looper= s-delight.com
Sent: Thu, 21 Jun 2007 3:32 pm
Subject: Really = OBSCURE inquiry

A shot in the dark = here, I realize, but back in the very 80's (or even late 70's?) in = Austin Texas, there was an interesting musician who was a sax = player=A0
=A0and who did these LONG sax jams a la loops (and?).=A0
= =A0
I am trying to remember this guy's name after MANY years, and = keeping drawing a blank.=A0
I think(?) his first name was either = Richard or Dickey, (OR...?) but I don't remember now?=A0
=A0
The = other "interesting" thing about him was that he got sent to prison for = marijuana, for mere possession or sales, I have no idea,=A0
but I DO = know that the laws for ANY weed involvement there were HARSH and the = sentences could very potentially be VERY LONG.=A0
But that is = another subject entirely and I do not wish to get into.=A0
=A0
I = just want to know more about him and what became of him and / or if = there is anything about on the web (OR...?), or if any recordings he did = survive,etc?=A0
=A0
Thanx!=A0
=A0
-Rev Fever=A0
= =A0

AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find = out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com.
=

= --Apple-Mail-11-136884570-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 21 19:53:23 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8F9003BFB0; Thu, 21 Jun 2007 19:53:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message Subject: RE: Really OBSCURE inquiry MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2007 14:53:25 -0500 Message-ID: <3B760999C264454D82652640BB74075C3B7351@keel.sailpoint.com> In-Reply-To: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Really OBSCURE inquiry Thread-Index: Ace0OurYi+BOi/ZkRiaVB+1hgnlr7QAAmrDg References: From: "Jeff Larson" To: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71481 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2007 19:53:23 +0000 (UTC) The sax players from this era that I remember are: Paul Ostermayer John Mills Rob Lockhart Tony Campise Thomas Ramirez The first 4 are hard-core jazz players, Thomas was more pop. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 21 20:06:27 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 17E7C3BFBF; Thu, 21 Jun 2007 20:06:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <3B760999C264454D82652640BB74075C3B7351@keel.sailpoint.com> References: <3B760999C264454D82652640BB74075C3B7351@keel.sailpoint.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <3D04B01A-BE22-4674-A322-61B9222D0D5E@ubergadget.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Rev Fever Subject: Re: Really OBSCURE inquiry Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2007 13:06:23 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71482 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2007 20:06:27 +0000 (UTC) Thanx again. None of these are him either. I have sent an inquiry to a long time Texas friend and hopefully he can dredge up the name. But, if nothing else, there at least seems to be a bit of a "music history" lesson going on here. :-) -Rev. Fever On Jun 21, 2007, at 12:53 PM, Jeff Larson wrote: > > The sax players from this era that I remember are: > > Paul Ostermayer > John Mills > Rob Lockhart > Tony Campise > Thomas Ramirez > > The first 4 are hard-core jazz players, Thomas was more pop. > > Jeff > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 21 20:17:34 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1FF553BFC3; Thu, 21 Jun 2007 20:17:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Jens Wolters" To: Subject: which paramters do you controll with your MIDI Controller and Mobius? Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2007 22:17:33 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_002B_01C7B451.F795F8A0" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 thread-index: Ace0QTOFrUJiO0FhRo2JHIJLNp8tQg== X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Message-Id: <20070621201732.EE2213BFB9@arsenic.violacea.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71483 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2007 20:17:34 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_002B_01C7B451.F795F8A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi guys, I just got my Behringer MIDI Controller. Great device. I am just wondering which parameters you control from the pedal and how your pedal layout is arranged. Do you use the UP/DOWN switch also ? Greetings Jens ------=_NextPart_000_002B_01C7B451.F795F8A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi guys,

I just got my Behringer MIDI Controller. Great device. I am just wondering which parameters you control from the pedal = and how your pedal layout is arranged.

Do you use the UP/DOWN switch also = ?

Greetings Jens

------=_NextPart_000_002B_01C7B451.F795F8A0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 21 20:17:49 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D6FE13BFCA; Thu, 21 Jun 2007 20:17:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Stefan Smulovitz" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: improvisation and performance Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2007 13:17:45 -0700 Message-Id: <20070621194009.M5176@kenaxis.com> X-Mailer: OpenWebMail 2.52 20060502 X-OriginatingIP: 142.58.133.58 (kenaxis) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-yoursite-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-yoursite-MailScanner: Not scanned: please contact your Internet E-Mail Service Provider for details X-yoursite-MailScanner-From: stefan@kenaxis.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71484 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2007 20:17:49 +0000 (UTC) I'm a bit of a lurker but the posts on improvisation got me thinking and I hope some of you find these thoughts of interest. The importance of being a good performer when playing in front of an audience is often forgotten in more experimental music. While I don't think there is much to be learned by the song and dance routine of pop lip syncers - I do think that being aware of one's role as a performer is very important. Its important to share your excitement about creating music with your audience. Equipment malfunctions, computer crashes, weird sound glitches - all these things that do unfortunately happen in a live setting can be part of making good music. You just have to have the right mindset as an improvisor and performer to make them work. When you are in your studio - you can just stop and restart, taking 30 minutes or more to solve the bug. When performing you have to find a way to make these things part of the performance if at all possible. There's the old jazz axiom - play a wrong note - well then play it wrong another 3 times to make it seem like you did it on purpose and make it the right note. I use this all the time. A bass player friend of mine told me about something Charlie Haden told him. Feeling bad and just can't play in tune on a particular day? Just use it. Play fully out of tune and make that what you are exploring. The same could be about gear malfunctions. Gear making bizarre sounds - go with it - make your improv about exploring what the heck is coming out of your gear. Another big thing is not to tell people that these are mistakes. If you do then you think of them as mistakes and consider it a bad performance. You just need to think of them as challenges adding to the excitement of live improv and part of the process. Often the weird mishaps are the most exciting interesting part of an improv. For me I always love the challenge of man - how am I gonna get out of this and make it musical. For instance I was struck by some bizarre momentary impulse while performing at BEMF with Rick Walker to use a Bob Marley loop. (My sister's husband is a huge fan and was at the show.) It completely stuck out and sounded just awkward and weird to me. In the past I would have just yanked it out and hoped that people forgot about it. Now instead I kept it there and did everything I could to make it work. Rick started singing along and it was a great surreal moment. If it had been in a studio I would have just yanked it out and edited out this "mistake" later. I also think that no matter how you feel after a show it important to leave self reflection and criticism till after the show and you have hopefully had a chance to listen to your performance again later. So often I listen after a show that I think just was awful and quite like it given a weeks space. I think it is healthy as a musician to always be striving to something better and being dissatisfied is not a bad thing. You can always learn from listening to past performances. The issue arises when at a show you let the audience know you are not happy with a set. Instead of sharing the wonders of making music it becomes about your ego and you take away from listeners ability to enjoy your music. Self reflection later as to how the next performance can be better is great - but make sure you realize you are performing for an audience and as such be gracious to them for having taken the time to listen to your music. These are all performance issues and can change bad improv into good improv. Also I highly recommend reading the book Effortless Mastery - http://www.amazon.com/Effortless-Mastery- Liberating-Master-Musician/dp/156224003X While I don't agree with all the book says it makes some great points about how to practice being in the zone for performing. Stefan -- http://www.kenaxis.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 21 20:29:46 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9B7AE3BFC2; Thu, 21 Jun 2007 20:29:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=FFeYtf9hLIfEL0y2mhmFLsLS8gQfjw/IPamgstPL+r8dAZgzMoRyBIauSuLs7990dK2VuV7eAoHHNF8JlU5hJ6R/P8TbLe5WB6bR29YTzOwbP/Zm9sJhRP4NTjH6EW3nTtAijBrUGWQCt+zAz3XYjHeKPtTZemHgPamqakSGA9o= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=desxYrZYKLjCnOSH+qptdylk3uX7u7fsCzEOndXKk39auzqPJyOuUjQ3MxtBV9K0T458ew/4HbEHGKK7MQq5gJiInaE2ZyMNkvo73lAsZibjh+5UHIuJtW6bHjZmxwm71XlqVeBMzGjp/HvdLovC4yLM1vvNpAkZYeSr+QLJ/p0= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <20070621201732.EE2213BFB9@arsenic.violacea.com> References: <20070621201732.EE2213BFB9@arsenic.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: which paramters do you controll with your MIDI Controller and Mobius? Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2007 22:29:41 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71485 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2007 20:29:46 +0000 (UTC) On 21 jun 2007, at 22.17, Jens Wolters wrote: > I just got my Behringer MIDI Controller. Great device. I am just > wondering which parameters you control from the pedal and how your > pedal layout is arranged. > Do you use the UP/DOWN switch also ? Hi Jens, Guess you're talking about the FCB1010? My pedal layout, that I have been using ever since I picked up Mobius, is to arrange all the MIDI note numbers starting from the lowest note (MIDI Note 1) and upwards. First bank has MIDI Note numbers 1-10 on the button pads, second bank has 11-20 etc etc. Then I carry out the binding of MIDI notes to specific functions in the software I'm using (Mobius, Live, Logic, Bidule). The UP/DOWN switches are used to scroll among the banks. The expression pedals are almost the same two CC's in all patches, but for some specific patches I use another CC to reach more continuous parameters in Mobius. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 21 20:47:35 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5764E3BFBF; Thu, 21 Jun 2007 20:47:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-priority:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=LlafphRivcIhOsJ7xx4rSVETqkg/fOzyumkev8jD02Q8cL4dOe7UOy9rLaUqWRLt+HpumjRuriGHsaSx935/PGd5yyRjVg9qx++MJYEVvsnSVGnl5AkDS7tE3WLmuTzh5JMAmdfpYe8F0umRl74G+QkIGsNFEKzMVEhvE6ajRsg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-priority:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=T/KgNS8vLw7HGY4uIpqM/L8hVNCJUhrOblshdKk3oyZ53SNzaA/BTNNA/zd/BxG9tSDnkh53rYTEyCkEvR7QCFdSSu6k/Ch9fco6BJJWHE8qucJMxzq0wym40ePyZUrVnQCToCE7XInQJJ4C8SYQI1WvxDeLqzpI1bL1gy74V6s= In-Reply-To: <00b401c7b435$7f05a050$9db1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> References: <00b401c7b435$7f05a050$9db1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: New Videos (Google collection, BEMF2 of me and Lumper-Splitter, etc) Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2007 22:47:29 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71486 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2007 20:47:35 +0000 (UTC) On 21 jun 2007, at 20.53, Krispen Hartung wrote: > I hope you enjoy it! I definitely did! :-) Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 21 20:51:47 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A9FE53BFD3; Thu, 21 Jun 2007 20:51:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <00fc01c7b445$f98bf2b0$9db1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <20070621201732.EE2213BFB9@arsenic.violacea.com> Subject: Re: which paramters do you controll with your MIDI Controller and Mobius? Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2007 14:51:41 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00F9_01C7B413.ADEE6A90" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: <9igJ7D.A.apG.jTueGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71487 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2007 20:51:47 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00F9_01C7B413.ADEE6A90 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Here is how I have my FCB buttons and exp. pedals mapped. Bank 1 (1-10) = and button 11 in Bank 2 is just for my max looper. The rest of the = banks and program numbers are for activating max patches. My two Express = pedals are mapped to two effect paramaters inside each of my max = patches. Kris 1. Record 2. Play 3. Reset 4. Reverse 5. Half Speed 6. Double Speed 7. Half Speed / Reverse 8. Forward 9. Stop 10. LOOP SELECTION (1-4) 11. EXPRESSION PEDAL ROUTER 12. Octave 13. Reaktor 14. FM Surfer 15. Pitch Shifter 16. Jeffrip 17. Thick Space 18. Chorus Pitch 19. Interval Stacker 20. Pitch Delay 21. Comb Filter 22. Ring Mod 23. Zubert 24. Granular Cloud 25. Granular Space 26. Reverse Pulsator 27. Random Effector 28. Slicer 29. Granular Biquad Random Filter 30. Pitch Sweeper 31. Vocoder ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Jens Wolters=20 Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2007 2:17 PM Subject: which paramters do you controll with your MIDI Controller and = Mobius? Hi guys, =20 I just got my Behringer MIDI Controller. Great device. I am just = wondering which parameters you control from the pedal and how your pedal = layout is arranged. Do you use the UP/DOWN switch also ? =20 Greetings Jens =20 ------=_NextPart_000_00F9_01C7B413.ADEE6A90 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Here is how I have my FCB buttons and = exp. pedals=20 mapped. Bank 1 (1-10) and button 11 in Bank 2 is just for my = max=20 looper. The rest of the banks and program numbers are for = activating max=20 patches. My two Express pedals are mapped to two effect paramaters = inside each=20 of my max patches.

Kris

1. Record
2. Play
3. Reset
4. Reverse
5. Half = Speed
6.=20 Double Speed
7. Half Speed / Reverse
8. Forward
9. Stop
10. = LOOP=20 SELECTION (1-4)

11. EXPRESSION PEDAL ROUTER
12. Octave
13. Reaktor
14. FM=20 Surfer
15. Pitch Shifter
16. Jeffrip
17. Thick Space
18. = Chorus=20 Pitch
19. Interval Stacker
20. Pitch Delay

21. Comb Filter
22. Ring Mod
23. Zubert
24. Granular = Cloud
25.=20 Granular Space
26. Reverse Pulsator
27. Random Effector
28.=20 Slicer
29. Granular Biquad Random Filter
30. Pitch Sweeper

31. Vocoder

----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Jens=20 Wolters

Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2007 = 2:17=20 PM

Subject: which paramters do you = controll=20 with your MIDI Controller and Mobius?

Hi=20 guys,

I just got my Behringer = MIDI=20 Controller. Great device. I am just wondering which parameters you = control=20 from the pedal and how your pedal layout is=20 arranged.

Do you use the UP/DOWN = switch also=20 ?

Greetings=20 Jens

------=_NextPart_000_00F9_01C7B413.ADEE6A90-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 21 20:53:47 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 58DEC3BFD7; Thu, 21 Jun 2007 20:53:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: BreachinThePeace@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2007 16:53:44 EDT Subject: Re: Really OBSCURE inquiry To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-----------------------------1182459224" X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5366 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71488 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2007 20:53:47 +0000 (UTC) -------------------------------1182459224 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I seriously doubt this is your guy, but Ted Milton from Blurt is one of my favorites with respect to Sax. ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. -------------------------------1182459224 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I seriously doubt this is your guy, but Ted Milton from Blurt is o= ne=20 of my favorites with respect to Sax.

See what's free at AOL.com.

-------------------------------1182459224-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 21 20:55:09 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1AB6B3BF82; Thu, 21 Jun 2007 20:55:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: BreachinThePeace@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2007 16:55:05 EDT Subject: Re: Really OBSCURE inquiry To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-----------------------------1182459305" X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5366 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71489 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2007 20:55:09 +0000 (UTC) -------------------------------1182459305 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit also Nik Turner ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. -------------------------------1182459305 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

also Nik Turner

See w= hat's free at AOL.= com.

-------------------------------1182459305-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 21 21:01:43 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E1BB73BFC8; Thu, 21 Jun 2007 21:01:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: AW: which paramters do you controll with your MIDI Controller and Mobius? Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2007 23:02:00 +0200 Organization: Moinlabs Message-ID: <000f01c7b447$698eea80$1001a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 thread-index: Ace0QTOFrUJiO0FhRo2JHIJLNp8tQgABNXsw X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 In-Reply-To: <20070621201732.EE2213BFB9@arsenic.violacea.com> X-RZG-AUTH: lUESeo99iNzPL8kuBgLYdKEqUywq9cxqeRA+BtFcSCD5deQ7OINPN8hIEPs= X-RZG-CLASS-ID: mo07 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71490 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2007 21:01:43 +0000 (UTC) wronq question ;) Mobius (sitting in Ableton Live) is controlled both by the FCB1010 and = the computer's keyboard. Here's the assignment Bank5 "Multitracking": Exp1 - Volume, Exp2 - Feedback Bounce Retrigger PrevLoop Realign PrevTrack Copy SusNextLoop NextLoop Pause NextTrack Bank6 "Basics": Exp1 - Volume, Exp2 - Feedback Overdub Multiply Reverse Undo Mute Record Insert Speed Redo NextLoop Bank7 "Fancy Stuff": Exp1 - Volume, Exp2 - Feedback Rate0 RateDn SusReverse SlipBack Stutter Shuffle RateUp SusSpeed SlipFwd SusReplace Bank8 "Guitar Center": Exp1 - Amplitube Volume, Exp2 - Amplitube Wah Overdub Multiply Reverse Undo PrevTrack Record NextLoop Speed Mute NextTrack Keyboard: F1 Midi Start F2 Midi Stop F5 "Fractal" Script F6 "TWarp" Script F7 "Burning Chrome" Script F8 Master Mute F9 Reset F11 MasterReset F12 MasterReset 1-8 Track 1-8 q-i Mute Track 1-8 a-l SecondaryFeedback 100-0=09 9 Prev Parameter 0 Next Parameter =DF Decrease Parameter =B4 Increase Parameter =F6 Pan L64 o Pan L40 p Pan L20 =E4 Pan C =FC Pan R20 + Pan R40 # Pan R64 , Multiply 2 . Multiply 3 m Divide 2 n Divide 3 y toggle quantize mode x toggle sync mode c toggle sus mode v toggle shuffle mode From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 21 21:05:17 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E939F3BFC4; Thu, 21 Jun 2007 21:05:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=d/J8aWETK55skoz3Io5m2PTHvUtXK58J2EqEgQPjIQlQ4zu5QAoiMCJPjviS887jKg1b7diikxnImLXSXulJqvicVazQNe7E/OatZROSKS9igGWFDQQjnxY+zUw7bV8YhIywXauTJ/cEjIA2pnBWwMvk3TBZ6u6w+4AT9EjD8C0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=XUMaU+nsevuVhPOSW4Azu6rw8JDWfD4Yy3oebhAJRMxGhwLJqT4fQ2fXY+HQEoM60Gn92TYbWExGSdp2wL7ddTZ7UtBvkBgJvL1964D6pdMXb8P/XZQEYBgW9zIGR8YIdfUEK3v56K6XByI1KklNtKn+n/a1z79uY7B28qtxXWg= Message-ID: <4759e5740706211405g236e066dib638ed41b6698e16@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2007 17:05:15 -0400 From: "todd reynolds" Reply-To: todd@toddreynolds.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: improvisation and performance In-Reply-To: <20070621194009.M5176@kenaxis.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_4530_20757086.1182459915929" References: <20070621194009.M5176@kenaxis.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71491 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2007 21:05:17 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_4530_20757086.1182459915929 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Everybody on list... Do check out Stefan's software after you're done reading this text... It's good. krispen, you especially will enjoy it I think... and as to the Kenny Werner book listed below... definitely a good read. I used to study with Kenny and have had the good fortune to play with him a lot, as well as support his residencies around the book. Besides, whenever on a meditation cd I'm welcomed to take a breath like i'm taking a big bite of chocolate cake, life becomes very meaningful. I guess i should crosspost to our cooking thread... Welcome Stefan, glad to see you here. todd On 6/21/07, Stefan Smulovitz wrote: > > I'm a bit of a lurker but the posts on improvisation got me thinking and I > hope some of you find > these thoughts of interest. > > The importance of being a good performer when playing in front of an > audience is often forgotten in > more experimental music. While I don't think there is much to be learned > by the song and dance > routine of pop lip syncers - I do think that being aware of one's role as > a performer is very > important. > > Its important to share your excitement about creating music with your > audience. Equipment > malfunctions, computer crashes, weird sound glitches - all these things > that do unfortunately > happen in a live setting can be part of making good music. You just have > to have the right mindset > as an improvisor and performer to make them work. When you are in your > studio - you can just stop > and restart, taking 30 minutes or more to solve the bug. When performing > you have to find a way to > make these things part of the performance if at all possible. > > There's the old jazz axiom - play a wrong note - well then play it wrong > another 3 times to make it > seem like you did it on purpose and make it the right note. I use this all > the time. > > A bass player friend of mine told me about something Charlie Haden told > him. Feeling bad and just > can't play in tune on a particular day? Just use it. Play fully out of > tune and make that what you are > exploring. The same could be about gear malfunctions. Gear making bizarre > sounds - go with it - > make your improv about exploring what the heck is coming out of your gear. > > Another big thing is not to tell people that these are mistakes. If you do > then you think of them as > mistakes and consider it a bad performance. You just need to think of them > as challenges adding to > the excitement of live improv and part of the process. Often the weird > mishaps are the most exciting > interesting part of an improv. For me I always love the challenge of man - > how am I gonna get out of > this and make it musical. > > For instance I was struck by some bizarre momentary impulse while > performing at BEMF with Rick > Walker to use a Bob Marley loop. (My sister's husband is a huge fan and > was at the show.) It > completely stuck out and sounded just awkward and weird to me. In the past > I would have just > yanked it out and hoped that people forgot about it. Now instead I kept it > there and did everything I > could to make it work. Rick started singing along and it was a great > surreal moment. If it had been in > a studio I would have just yanked it out and edited out this "mistake" > later. > > I also think that no matter how you feel after a show it important to > leave self reflection and criticism > till after the show and you have hopefully had a chance to listen to your > performance again later. So > often I listen after a show that I think just was awful and quite like it > given a weeks space. I think it is > healthy as a musician to always be striving to something better and being > dissatisfied is not a bad > thing. You can always learn from listening to past performances. > > The issue arises when at a show you let the audience know you are not > happy with a set. Instead of > sharing the wonders of making music it becomes about your ego and you take > away from listeners > ability to enjoy your music. Self reflection later as to how the next > performance can be better is great > - but make sure you realize you are performing for an audience and as such > be gracious to them for > having taken the time to listen to your music. > > These are all performance issues and can change bad improv into good > improv. Also I highly > recommend reading the book Effortless Mastery - > http://www.amazon.com/Effortless-Mastery- > Liberating-Master-Musician/dp/156224003X > > While I don't agree with all the book says it makes some great points > about how to practice being in > the zone for performing. > > Stefan > > -- > http://www.kenaxis.com > > -- http://www.toddreynolds.com |: http://myspace.com/toddreynoldsmusic |: ------------------------------------------------------|: 917.576.6166 todd@toddreynolds.com toddreyn@gmail.com ------=_Part_4530_20757086.1182459915929 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Everybody on list... Do check out Stefan's software after you're done reading this text... It's good. krispen, you especially will enjoy it I think...

and as to the Kenny Werner book listed below... definitely a good read. I used to study with Kenny and have had the good fortune to play with him a lot, as well as support his residencies around the book.

Besides, whenever on a meditation cd I'm welcomed to take a breath like i'm taking a big bite of chocolate cake, life becomes very meaningful. I guess i should crosspost to our cooking thread...

Welcome Stefan, glad to see you here.

todd

On 6/21/07, Stefan Smulovitz <stefan@kenaxis.com> wrote:

I'm a bit of a lurker but the posts on improvisation got me thinking and I hope some of you find
these thoughts of interest.

The importance of being a good performer when playing in front of an audience is often forgotten in
more experimental music. While I don't think there is much to be learned by the song and dance
routine of pop lip syncers - I do think that being aware of one's role as a performer is very
important.

Its important to share your excitement about creating music with your audience. Equipment
malfunctions, computer crashes, weird sound glitches - all these things that do unfortunately
happen in a live setting can be part of making good music. You just have to have the right mindset
as an improvisor and performer to make them work. When you are in your studio - you can just stop
and restart, taking 30 minutes or more to solve the bug. When performing you have to find a way to
make these things part of the performance if at all possible.

There's the old jazz axiom - play a wrong note - well then play it wrong another 3 times to make it
seem like you did it on purpose and make it the right note. I use this all the time.

A bass player friend of mine told me about something Charlie Haden told him. Feeling bad and just
can't play in tune on a particular day? Just use it. Play fully out of tune and make that what you are
exploring. The same could be about gear malfunctions. Gear making bizarre sounds - go with it -
make your improv about exploring what the heck is coming out of your gear.

Another big thing is not to tell people that these are mistakes. If you do then you think of them as
mistakes and consider it a bad performance. You just need to think of them as challenges adding to
the excitement of live improv and part of the process. Often the weird mishaps are the most exciting
interesting part of an improv. For me I always love the challenge of man - how am I gonna get out of
this and make it musical.

For instance I was struck by some bizarre momentary impulse while performing at BEMF with Rick
Walker to use a Bob Marley loop. (My sister's husband is a huge fan and was at the show.) It
completely stuck out and sounded just awkward and weird to me. In the past I would have just
yanked it out and hoped that people forgot about it. Now instead I kept it there and did everything I
could to make it work. Rick started singing along and it was a great surreal moment. If it had been in
a studio I would have just yanked it out and edited out this "mistake" later.

I also think that no matter how you feel after a show it important to leave self reflection and criticism
till after the show and you have hopefully had a chance to listen to your performance again later. So
often I listen after a show that I think just was awful and quite like it given a weeks space. I think it is
healthy as a musician to always be striving to something better and being dissatisfied is not a bad
thing. You can always learn from listening to past performances.

The issue arises when at a show you let the audience know you are not happy with a set. Instead of
sharing the wonders of making music it becomes about your ego and you take away from listeners
ability to enjoy your music. Self reflection later as to how the next performance can be better is great
- but make sure you realize you are performing for an audience and as such be gracious to them for
having taken the time to listen to your music.

These are all performance issues and can change bad improv into good improv. Also I highly
recommend reading the book Effortless Mastery - http://www.amazon.com/Effortless-Mastery-
Liberating-Master-Musician/dp/156224003X

While I don't agree with all the book says it makes some great points about how to practice being in
the zone for performing.

Stefan

--
http://www.kenaxis.com

--
http://www.toddreynolds.com                    |:
http://myspace.com/toddreynoldsmusic  |:
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toddreyn@gmail.com ------=_Part_4530_20757086.1182459915929-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 21 21:09:23 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A40B73BFDD; Thu, 21 Jun 2007 21:09:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Jens Wolters" To: Subject: AW: which paramters do you controll with your MIDI Controller and Mobius? Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2007 23:09:22 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0010_01C7B459.34DA28B0" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 In-Reply-To: <00fc01c7b445$f98bf2b0$9db1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 thread-index: Ace0Rf/CNCahtlZtTNSmPBfsAh6u6wAAb8Ig Message-Id: <20070621210921.F07D83BFBB@arsenic.violacea.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71492 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2007 21:09:23 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0010_01C7B459.34DA28B0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi guys, very interesting so for. Kris no "OVERDUB" in your setup ? Greetings Jens _____ Von: Krispen Hartung [mailto:khartung@cableone.net] Gesendet: Donnerstag, 21. Juni 2007 22:52 An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Betreff: Re: which paramters do you controll with your MIDI Controller and Mobius? Here is how I have my FCB buttons and exp. pedals mapped. Bank 1 (1-10) and button 11 in Bank 2 is just for my max looper. The rest of the banks and program numbers are for activating max patches. My two Express pedals are mapped to two effect paramaters inside each of my max patches. Kris 1. Record 2. Play 3. Reset 4. Reverse 5. Half Speed 6. Double Speed 7. Half Speed / Reverse 8. Forward 9. Stop 10. LOOP SELECTION (1-4) 11. EXPRESSION PEDAL ROUTER 12. Octave 13. Reaktor 14. FM Surfer 15. Pitch Shifter 16. Jeffrip 17. Thick Space 18. Chorus Pitch 19. Interval Stacker 20. Pitch Delay 21. Comb Filter 22. Ring Mod 23. Zubert 24. Granular Cloud 25. Granular Space 26. Reverse Pulsator 27. Random Effector 28. Slicer 29. Granular Biquad Random Filter 30. Pitch Sweeper 31. Vocoder ----- Original Message ----- From: Jens Wolters Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2007 2:17 PM Subject: which paramters do you controll with your MIDI Controller and Mobius? Hi guys, I just got my Behringer MIDI Controller. Great device. I am just wondering which parameters you control from the pedal and how your pedal layout is arranged. Do you use the UP/DOWN switch also ? Greetings Jens ------=_NextPart_000_0010_01C7B459.34DA28B0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi guys, very = interesting so for. Kris no “OVERDUB” in your setup = ?

Greetings Jens

Von: = Krispen Hartung [mailto:khartung@cableone.net]
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 21. = Juni 2007 22:52
An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Betreff: Re: which = paramters do you controll with your MIDI Controller and = Mobius?

Here is how I have my FCB buttons and exp. pedals mapped. Bank 1 (1-10) and button 11 in Bank 2 is just for my = max looper. The rest of the banks and program numbers are for = activating max patches. My two Express pedals are mapped to two effect paramaters = inside each of my max patches.

Kris

1. Record
2. Play
3. Reset
4. Reverse
5. Half Speed
6. Double Speed
7. Half Speed / Reverse
8. Forward
9. Stop
10. LOOP SELECTION (1-4)

11. EXPRESSION PEDAL ROUTER
12. Octave
13. Reaktor
14. FM Surfer
15. Pitch Shifter
16. Jeffrip
17. Thick Space
18. Chorus Pitch
19. Interval Stacker
20. Pitch Delay

21. Comb Filter
22. Ring Mod
23. Zubert
24. Granular Cloud
25. Granular Space
26. Reverse Pulsator
27. Random Effector
28. Slicer
29. Granular Biquad Random Filter
30. Pitch Sweeper

31. Vocoder

----- Original Message ----- =

From: Jens Wolters

Sent: = Thursday, June 21, 2007 2:17 PM

Subject: which = paramters do you controll with your MIDI Controller and = Mobius?

Hi guys,

I just got my Behringer MIDI Controller. Great device. I am just wondering which parameters you control from the pedal = and how your pedal layout is arranged.

Do you use the UP/DOWN switch also = ?

Greetings Jens

------=_NextPart_000_0010_01C7B459.34DA28B0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 21 21:16:12 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CB3BA3BFD0; Thu, 21 Jun 2007 21:16:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <013301c7b449$630e6ad0$9db1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <20070621194009.M5176@kenaxis.com> Subject: Re: improvisation and performance Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2007 15:16:07 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71493 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2007 21:16:12 +0000 (UTC) ----- Original Message ----- > > There's the old jazz axiom - play a wrong note - well then play it wrong > another 3 times to make it > seem like you did it on purpose and make it the right note. I use this all > the time. It's just a nit, but I've never talked to a jazz musician who as subscribed to this so-called axiom. I think the axiom was created by people who either didn't understand jazz or who couldn't play it. I think it is ridiculous...continue playing a wrong note? And to do so to "make it" seem like it was on purpose. This feels rather deceitful and insincere to me. Of course, once you play a so-called wrong note, then you have to accept it as such and it becomes part of the weave, but to repeat it, that could be a freakin' disaster if applied as a general rule of thumb. Jazz musicians who I have talked to who believe in wrong notes call them "clams", and they don't repeat them unless to be humorous or to mock each other with call and response. Free Jazz might warrant some exceptions, but with improvisation in traditional or modern jazz, I do see a tendency for folks to subscribe to the "wrong note" theory and not repeat them. In fact, the really technical players tend to be embarrassed by them. They are called "avoid" notes in traditional jazz theory and improvisation, and they don't repeat them. Here is another quote, that can also be taken out of context or mis-applied: "There is no such thing as a wrong note." Art Tatum Kris From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 21 21:17:16 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 504FC3BFDE; Thu, 21 Jun 2007 21:17:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <013d01c7b449$896a8420$9db1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <20070621210921.F07D83BFBB@arsenic.violacea.com> Subject: Re: which paramters do you controll with your MIDI Controller and Mobius? Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2007 15:17:12 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_013A_01C7B417.3DFEBA60" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71494 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2007 21:17:16 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_013A_01C7B417.3DFEBA60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable That's right. No overdub. I just record on a new loop. It keeps me from = getting loop crazy and overdoing it. Plus, everything I do is asychronous.=20 Kris ----- Original Message -----=20 Hi guys, very interesting so for. Kris no "OVERDUB" in your setup ? Greetings Jens =20 =20 -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- Von: Krispen Hartung [mailto:khartung@cableone.net]=20 Gesendet: Donnerstag, 21. Juni 2007 22:52 An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Betreff: Re: which paramters do you controll with your MIDI Controller = and Mobius? =20 Here is how I have my FCB buttons and exp. pedals mapped. Bank 1 = (1-10) and button 11 in Bank 2 is just for my max looper. The rest of = the banks and program numbers are for activating max patches. My two = Express pedals are mapped to two effect paramaters inside each of my max = patches. Kris =20 =20 1. Record 2. Play 3. Reset 4. Reverse 5. Half Speed 6. Double Speed 7. Half Speed / Reverse 8. Forward 9. Stop 10. LOOP SELECTION (1-4) 11. EXPRESSION PEDAL ROUTER 12. Octave 13. Reaktor 14. FM Surfer 15. Pitch Shifter 16. Jeffrip 17. Thick Space 18. Chorus Pitch 19. Interval Stacker 20. Pitch Delay 21. Comb Filter 22. Ring Mod 23. Zubert 24. Granular Cloud 25. Granular Space 26. Reverse Pulsator 27. Random Effector 28. Slicer 29. Granular Biquad Random Filter 30. Pitch Sweeper 31. Vocoder ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Jens Wolters=20 Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2007 2:17 PM Subject: which paramters do you controll with your MIDI Controller = and Mobius? =20 Hi guys, =20 I just got my Behringer MIDI Controller. Great device. I am just = wondering which parameters you control from the pedal and how your pedal = layout is arranged. Do you use the UP/DOWN switch also ? =20 Greetings Jens =20 ------=_NextPart_000_013A_01C7B417.3DFEBA60 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

That's right. No overdub. I just record = on a new=20 loop. It keeps me from getting loop crazy and overdoing it. Plus,=20 everything

I do is asychronous.

Kris

----- Original Message -----

Hi guys, = very=20 interesting so for. Kris no =93OVERDUB=94 in your setup=20 ?

Greetings=20 Jens

Von: Krispen=20 Hartung [mailto:khartung@cableone.net]
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 21. Juni = 2007=20 22:52
An: = Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com
Betreff: Re: which paramters do = you=20 controll with your MIDI Controller and=20 Mobius?

Here is how I have my = FCB buttons=20 and exp. pedals mapped. Bank 1 (1-10) and button 11 in = Bank 2 is=20 just for my max looper. The rest of the banks and program = numbers are=20 for activating max patches. My two Express pedals are mapped to two = effect=20 paramaters inside each of my max = patches.

Kris

1. Record
2. Play
3. Reset
4. = Reverse
5.=20 Half Speed
6. Double Speed
7. Half Speed / Reverse
8. = Forward
9.=20 Stop
10. LOOP SELECTION (1-4)

11. EXPRESSION PEDAL ROUTER
12. = Octave
13.=20 Reaktor
14. FM Surfer
15. Pitch Shifter
16. Jeffrip
17. = Thick=20 Space
18. Chorus Pitch
19. Interval Stacker
20. Pitch=20 Delay

21. Comb Filter
22. Ring Mod
23. = Zubert
24.=20 Granular Cloud
25. Granular Space
26. Reverse Pulsator
27. = Random=20 Effector
28. Slicer
29. Granular Biquad Random Filter
30. = Pitch=20 Sweeper

31. = Vocoder

----- Original Message = -----=20

From: Jens=20 Wolters

Sent:=20 Thursday, June 21, 2007 2:17 PM

Subject: which=20 paramters do you controll with your MIDI Controller and=20 Mobius?

Hi=20 guys,

I just got my = Behringer MIDI=20 Controller. Great device. I am just wondering which parameters you = control=20 from the pedal and how your pedal layout is=20 arranged.

Do you use the UP/DOWN = switch=20 also ?

Greetings=20 Jens

------=_NextPart_000_013A_01C7B417.3DFEBA60-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 21 21:25:11 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 47BE03BFE6; Thu, 21 Jun 2007 21:25:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=cGm4lYwLx7OvEpVj3CVoWkYH93ih93oEKWLMR+74M7TVvgl4zgSbaiN8H/eLRihGMVvd5Po/MZsgTtb17XcRHgrHJsrCallvZIJSEpvp151ewtOfim4wFNmKg35xAbWlb4N6x/FGQn3e5GmGlS3BiMqV9l0T4OrxOO9kAcymPNI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=LpCKXT0VLXESZonA12Jd5roT60eUs0F3T1a1maXu8zuxemjbhgIKHA2aYAI4Jea9Zx+u6VZYuYd9BzT1UvAOD6cBUhNeImOKGHgFcvuESAs5Bkv8Frix2agNu4D9xUXCRwFqOtxwFeE2BqregxLwNSMoSV2emilAttzRE25O21g= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <20070621210921.F07D83BFBB@arsenic.violacea.com> References: <20070621210921.F07D83BFBB@arsenic.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <6551ACBE-BE93-4290-B372-7707A5DE7FCA@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: AW: which paramters do you controll with your MIDI Controller and Mobius? Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2007 23:25:05 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71495 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2007 21:25:11 +0000 (UTC) On 21 jun 2007, at 23.09, Jens Wolters wrote: > Hi guys, very interesting so for. Hi again, Aah... I didn't understand that you wanted to know which functions in the looper we are using. Below I'm posting my functions for two laptop based live looping rigs. As I said in my first post I always keep the layout of the FCB1010 the same regarding what MIDI messages are sent out. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) _______________________________________________________________ Mobius 2007, FCB101, Faderfox LV1, Faderfox LX1, Computer Key Commands FCB BANK 0 01 Record Overdub Expert 02 Expert Multiply 03 Substitute 04 Bass Dots 05 Reverse Cycle Overdub 06 Shuffle 07 Undo 08 Redo 09 Previous Loop 10 Next Loop FCB BANK 1 01 Loop 1 02 Loop 2 03 Loop 3 04 Loop 4 05 Loop 5 06 Time Warp 1 07 Time Warp 2 08 Insert Grid 1 09 SUSSubstitute Grid 2 10 Fade In Or Out FCB BANK 2 01 RateShift = 0 02 RateShift = 2 03 RateShift = 3 04 RateShift = 4 05 RateShift = -7 06 RateShift = -5 07 RateShift = -4 08 RateShift = -3 09 RateShift = -2 10 Global Mute ________________________________________________________________________ ___ Augustus Loop, Live 6, 2007, FCB101, Faderfox LV1, Faderfox LX1, Computer Key Commands. FCB BANK 0 (loop A) 01 Overdub 1 bar 02 Multiply to 8 bars 03 Replace 04 Overdub 16ths 05 Reverse 06 Input fx: Harmonizer 07 Input fx: 16ths Acid Sweep Delay 08 Input fx: Bellish 09 Input fx: Autofilter lo cut 10 Autofade FCB BANK 1 (loop B) 01 Overdub 1 bar 02 "Multiply" to 8 bars 03 Replace 04 Overdub 16ths 05 Reverse 06 07 08 09 10 Autofade FCB BANK 2 (loop A + B, different octaves for some intervals) 01 C 02 D 03 Eb 04 E 05 F 06 G 07 Ab 08 A 09 Bb 10 Solo input instrument channel Keyboard commands From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 21 21:46:06 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 537513BFD2; Thu, 21 Jun 2007 21:46:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [4.246.75.3] X-Originating-Email: [sambacomet@hotmail.com] X-Sender: sambacomet@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <20070621210924.366293BFE0@arsenic.violacea.com> From: "samba -" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: mistakes Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2007 14:45:47 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Jun 2007 21:45:51.0729 (UTC) FILETIME=[89984E10:01C7B44D] Resent-Message-ID: <9MVm5B.A.kPD.dGveGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71496 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2007 21:46:06 +0000 (UTC) Wether it's a mistake or not depends on intent- In some non' or anti' forms mistakes aren't possible,but If I'm playing bass behind a singer,doing melodic stuff w/ conventional harmonic structures,hitting say a flat 5 on the downbeat of the I chord would be a mistake which I would do my best to not repeat. I'd probably slide into a 5-1 as quickly as possible. Someone said there are no wrong notes,just bad resolutions.In some cases repeating the 'mistake' can increase tension and becomes a way of making the eventual resolution even stronger.In conventional western tonal music anyway. In some instances playing an actual chord tone on the one would be heinous. _________________________________________________________________ Get a preview of Live Earth, the hottest event this summer - only on MSN http://liveearth.msn.com?source=msntaglineliveearthhm From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 21 21:48:11 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 45A913BFDE; Thu, 21 Jun 2007 21:48:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [4.246.75.3] X-Originating-Email: [sambacomet@hotmail.com] X-Sender: sambacomet@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <20070621210924.366293BFE0@arsenic.violacea.com> From: "samba -" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: festivities Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2007 14:48:07 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Jun 2007 21:48:09.0179 (UTC) FILETIME=[DB8582B0:01C7B44D] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71497 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2007 21:48:11 +0000 (UTC) _________________________________________________________________ Who's that on the Red Carpet? Play & win glamorous prizes. http://club.live.com/red_carpet_reveal.aspx?icid=REDCARPET_hotmailtextlink3 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 21 21:58:53 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 38DCC3BFD4; Thu, 21 Jun 2007 21:58:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: improvisation and performance Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2007 23:59:10 +0200 Organization: Moinlabs Message-ID: <001901c7b44f$6602e3f0$1001a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 thread-index: Ace0SWVjCzFvl9ETSYaRtUY2VWOdewABeXWQ X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 In-Reply-To: <013301c7b449$630e6ad0$9db1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> X-RZG-AUTH: lUESeo99iNzPL8kuBgLYdKEqUywq9cxqeRA+BtFcSCD5deQ7OINPN8hIEPs= X-RZG-CLASS-ID: mo07 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71498 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2007 21:58:53 +0000 (UTC) > couldn't play it. I think it is ridiculous...continue > playing a wrong note? And to do so to "make it" seem like it > was on purpose. > This feels rather deceitful and insincere to me. Of course, > once you play a so-called wrong note, then you have to accept > it as such and it becomes part of the weave, but to repeat > it, that could be a freakin' > disaster if applied as a general rule of thumb. Jazz It's called "live looping", Krispen ;) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 21 22:12:09 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5B8273BFE3; Thu, 21 Jun 2007 22:12:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Zoe Keating Subject: iFCB app for programming foot pedal Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2007 15:12:01 -0700 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71499 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2007 22:12:09 +0000 (UTC) Heya Loopers, I meant to post this before, cause it is so great. An application that allows you to program you FCB1010 on your computer. Has a nice GUI that looks just like the pedal. A lot easier... http://www.versiontracker.com/dyn/moreinfo/macosx/31078 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 21 22:15:59 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B41223BFED; Thu, 21 Jun 2007 22:15:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <467AF89A.60700@mhorse.com> Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2007 17:15:54 -0500 From: Daryl Shawn User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.12 (Windows/20070509) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: improvisation and performance References: <20070621215853.D33953BFE0@arsenic.violacea.com> In-Reply-To: <20070621215853.D33953BFE0@arsenic.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71500 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2007 22:15:59 +0000 (UTC) To clarify here, as taught at Berklee (where I did some time, and about which I have mixed feelings), "avoid" notes aren't mistakes, they are rather notes which are part of a scale which could full well be used over a given chord, but are generally held to be too dissonant, thus they are to be avoided. One common example would be the 11th over a dominant chord. That said, I hate the entire concept and think it should be tossed altogether! Here's my little rant on the subject... http://www.swanwelder.com/scrittles/1_16_05_Avoid_Notes.htm Mistakes, well...if you're improvising, you should know what you're going for and be able to hit it. If you don't quite make it, you have to deal with your misstep however is appropriate, which could include repeating it, but mainly involves making it seem like you actually DID mean to do it. Daryl Shawn www.swanwelder.com www.chinapaintingmusic.com > Jazz musicians who I have talked to who believe in wrong > notes call them "clams", and they don't repeat them unless to be > humorous or to mock each other with > call and response. Free Jazz might warrant some exceptions, but with > improvisation in traditional or > modern jazz, I do see a tendency for folks to subscribe to the "wrong > note" theory and not repeat them. > In fact, the really technical players tend to be embarrassed by them. > They are called "avoid" notes > in traditional jazz theory and improvisation, and they don't repeat them. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 21 22:29:08 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3C5763BFEC; Thu, 21 Jun 2007 22:29:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Jens Wolters" To: Subject: AW: AW: which paramters do you controll with your MIDI Controller and Mobius? Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2007 00:29:07 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 In-Reply-To: <6551ACBE-BE93-4290-B372-7707A5DE7FCA@gmail.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 thread-index: Ace0Sqo8LFoZaKHWQFCh45sdrbJtowACFeAg Message-Id: <20070621222906.B98103BFE1@arsenic.violacea.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71501 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2007 22:29:08 +0000 (UTC) Hi Per, what is this "Record Overdub Expert" and "Bass Dots" ? And how to you pass different Rate Shifts values? That would be very interesting for me. Greetings Jens -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- Von: Per Boysen [mailto:perboysen@gmail.com]=20 Gesendet: Donnerstag, 21. Juni 2007 23:25 An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Betreff: Re: AW: which paramters do you controll with your MIDI = Controller and Mobius? On 21 jun 2007, at 23.09, Jens Wolters wrote: > Hi guys, very interesting so for. Hi again, Aah... I didn't understand that you wanted to know which functions in =20 the looper we are using. Below I'm posting my functions for two =20 laptop based live looping rigs. As I said in my first post I always =20 keep the layout of the FCB1010 the same regarding what MIDI messages =20 are sent out. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) _______________________________________________________________ Mobius 2007, FCB101, Faderfox LV1, Faderfox LX1, Computer Key Commands FCB BANK 0 01 Record Overdub Expert 02 Expert Multiply 03 Substitute 04 Bass Dots 05 Reverse Cycle Overdub 06 Shuffle 07 Undo 08 Redo 09 Previous Loop 10 Next Loop FCB BANK 1 01 Loop 1 02 Loop 2 03 Loop 3 04 Loop 4 05 Loop 5 06 Time Warp 1 07 Time Warp 2 08 Insert Grid 1 09 SUSSubstitute Grid 2 10 Fade In Or Out FCB BANK 2 01 RateShift =3D 0 02 RateShift =3D 2 03 RateShift =3D 3 04 RateShift =3D 4 05 RateShift =3D -7 06 RateShift =3D -5 07 RateShift =3D -4 08 RateShift =3D -3 09 RateShift =3D -2 10 Global Mute ________________________________________________________________________ = ___ Augustus Loop, Live 6, 2007, FCB101, Faderfox LV1, Faderfox LX1, =20 Computer Key Commands. FCB BANK 0 (loop A) 01 Overdub 1 bar 02 Multiply to 8 bars 03 Replace 04 Overdub 16ths 05 Reverse 06 Input fx: Harmonizer 07 Input fx: 16ths Acid Sweep Delay 08 Input fx: Bellish 09 Input fx: Autofilter lo cut 10 Autofade FCB BANK 1 (loop B) 01 Overdub 1 bar 02 "Multiply" to 8 bars 03 Replace 04 Overdub 16ths 05 Reverse 06 07 08 09 10 Autofade FCB BANK 2 (loop A + B, different octaves for some intervals) 01 C 02 D 03 Eb 04 E 05 F 06 G 07 Ab 08 A 09 Bb 10 Solo input instrument channel Keyboard commands From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 21 22:30:33 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E5F993BFF4; Thu, 21 Jun 2007 22:30:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Jens Wolters" To: Subject: simple mobius question Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2007 00:30:34 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_001A_01C7B464.8C6188C0" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 thread-index: Ace0U8hMAoVOgL0yRkOeikvGRbggeg== Message-Id: <20070621223032.15D693BFE6@arsenic.violacea.com> Resent-Message-ID: <5Th-2.A.5jG.JwveGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71502 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2007 22:30:33 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001A_01C7B464.8C6188C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi guys, I have one question. When I recording loops I want that the next loops starts recording automatically when it is empty. How can I do this ? Greetings Jens ------=_NextPart_000_001A_01C7B464.8C6188C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi guys,

I have one question. When I recording loops I = want that the next loops starts recording automatically when it is empty. How = can I do this ?

Greetings Jens

------=_NextPart_000_001A_01C7B464.8C6188C0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 21 22:35:49 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9ABCF3BFEA; Thu, 21 Jun 2007 22:35:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Jeremy Slead" Subject: Re: iFCB app for programming foot pedal To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: CommuniGate Pro WebUser v5.0.13 Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2007 16:36:00 -0600 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71503 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2007 22:35:49 +0000 (UTC) Cool! Windows version, anyone??? Jer On Thu, 21 Jun 2007 15:12:01 -0700 Zoe Keating wrote: > Heya Loopers, > > I meant to post this before, cause it is so great. > An application that allows you to program you FCB1010 on your computer. Has >a nice GUI that looks just like the pedal. > A lot easier... > > http://www.versiontracker.com/dyn/moreinfo/macosx/31078 > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 21 22:44:33 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9AD533BFF7; Thu, 21 Jun 2007 22:44:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.co.uk; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=TvwpdNuH7PdIEWQhouyLPJ17NC2pF25zIMmQHgPEnjPqfbHF4NS/0Imj4Jr05Mif/RXGdTrfSTp4pN829AjX57CmviqvV4iCTQj5QRtkF+NpPO82sJyhmZbXifpfOiTxcVOYO95TgXFO5XAJU78Qn3Usbnxz06Eb7eoFuJkociQ=; X-YMail-OSG: pigMFcYVM1mz6MZQS0uzZwT1P5trUM_WPu1HO26vKUAgDcwuVLf0We0Mthsm8nwbtxKhjVhu9XA3ZqEivpfxfOMA5CUwZj9Ul4tSrssdPtF_iPKg Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2007 23:44:31 +0100 (BST) From: martin wilson Subject: New to looping again!!!! no doubt To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1376298471-1182465871=:73062" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <808407.73062.qm@web23106.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71504 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2007 22:44:33 +0000 (UTC) --0-1376298471-1182465871=:73062 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi, Hello to everyone. I am new to looping and have a shiny new Boss Rc2. I am going to use this with my guitar and effects, and also with my 5 string electric violin. If you have heard Ed-alleyne Johnson you will know where I am heading with the fiddle. KT Tunstall is where I am going with the guitar. My first question to help me get started is where in my effects chain do I put the thing!!!! Do I create the loops clean then process with distortion/delay/chorus etc after the looper, or do I loop the already processed sound, or a bit of both. Try this link to get an idea of what I am trying to acheive with the fiddle. http://www.muntfish.com/alleyne-johnson/os.php Thanks all John, and son Cailean (only 14 but a better musician than me LOL) scotland --------------------------------- What kind of emailer are you? Find out today - get a free analysis of your email personality. Take the quiz at the Yahoo! Mail Championship. --0-1376298471-1182465871=:73062 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit

Hi,

Hello to everyone. I am new to looping and have a shiny new Boss Rc2.

I am going to use this with my guitar and effects, and also with my 5 string electric violin.

If you have heard Ed-alleyne Johnson you will know where I am heading with the fiddle.

KT Tunstall is where I am going with the guitar.

My first question to help me get started is where in my effects chain do I put the thing!!!!

Do I create the loops clean then process with distortion/delay/chorus etc after the looper, or do I loop the already processed sound, or a bit of both.

Try this link to get an idea of what I am trying to acheive with the fiddle.

http://www.muntfish.com/alleyne-johnson/os.php

Thanks all

John, and son Cailean (only 14 but a better musician than me LOL)

scotland

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Mail Championship. --0-1376298471-1182465871=:73062-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 21 22:54:26 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 03E423BFE1; Thu, 21 Jun 2007 22:54:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=m9RkED1CR73zyjaGBtj/X7Sf62zrvnJurWc1PaI3JDoAaflIv9yfXlfr1HAJHyasHU14He1+DhUqoenUWAdjKYNao+1zOi9XscCTFhecWwyniTMF3mer/2ZRQPIIqOIwzuanpKsINUWF1Rv8ED83MvKRpWk0E9ZIO+hSQw/WzpU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=Me30vnGZpwfJ4qlnXye9Tb8ginMBYg0j02zAt2ZXOuJEh/I6zf6CBnxNGuPJGdgqGZF5ZZE9Q+B9BuLKJj4TsnrnnhTyxEl+rRamFU6YaVGl3+6rIHehIDN+xyruia//etUljQnVt4AXzFdORG7yhYLJM6S0EpXoSVf0yj2rj+o= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <20070621222906.B98103BFE1@arsenic.violacea.com> References: <20070621222906.B98103BFE1@arsenic.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <981E3D18-05DD-4644-94C9-C0D8038989DC@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: AW: AW: which paramters do you controll with your MIDI Controller and Mobius? Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2007 00:54:20 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71505 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2007 22:54:25 +0000 (UTC) On 22 jun 2007, at 00.29, Jens Wolters wrote: > what is this "Record Overdub Expert" and "Bass Dots" ? > And how to you pass different Rate Shifts values? That would be very > interesting for me. These are just some scripts I like. "Record Overdub Expert" has many functions on the same pedal (Record, Overdub, Next Track/Next Loop). "Bass Dots" simply shifts the rate one octave up while overdubbing a 32d note and then directly after the overdubbing lowering the rate/ speed one octave below normal pitch to compensate for the loop speeding up when pitched up, so it will end up at the same time for a complete loop round and stay in sync. I use that script to punch in bass notes from normal octave lead playing and at the same time creating a "glitchy" sound. Regarding Rate Shift values I think I use one script for each Rate Shift value and then I bind the MIDI note event sent out from a particular pedal board button to that script. Hold on, I'll check it out on my USB stick.... yep, here's the script for bringing the loop up a major third: ___________________ !name Rate 3 for focused RateShift 3 next ___________________ But I also use a continuous CC# from an expression pedal or knob slider for continuous Rate Shift, as in "scratching" the loop. And below is the Bass Dots script. It has a second function when holding down the button as well. _______________________ !name Bass Dots RateShift 12 Wait last Substitute Wait subcycle Substitute Wait last RateShift -7 Wait last Wait subcycles RateShift 0 !sustain 1000 Label sustain if sustainCount=1 Wait cycle Speed endif If you want to ask more on Mobius specifically you might post on the Mobius list instead. I think this is going a bit OT here now :-) Per From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 21 22:55:49 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EC2733BFFA; Thu, 21 Jun 2007 22:55:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-YMail-OSG: VOLJEGIVM1mCNpgYOePXfeTc5thrEmhWqOTvRyroCqEjLLlvVZU6hjU2pBkVXQn_u.fZ27npShRY8dfPxDTuu6VDNa80G6xCQ4HbQKgRoobSz2UkZcQ- Message-ID: <000d01c7b457$4b37efe0$4101a8c0@MICHAELPLISHKA> From: "Michael Plishka" To: References: <20070621194009.M5176@kenaxis.com> Subject: PLaying the wrong note was Re: improvisation and performance Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2007 17:55:39 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71506 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2007 22:55:49 +0000 (UTC) I took it to mean that if you play a wrong note, play that next note "wrong" again, of course if you make the choice to play a wrong not it's no longer wrong per se, it's been made right by the fact it was chosen... Maybe I'm reading to deep.... Back to the chicken broth.... Plish ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stefan Smulovitz" To: Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2007 3:17 PM Subject: improvisation and performance > I'm a bit of a lurker but the posts on improvisation got me thinking and I > hope some of you find > these thoughts of interest. > > The importance of being a good performer when playing in front of an > audience is often forgotten in > more experimental music. While I don't think there is much to be learned > by the song and dance > routine of pop lip syncers - I do think that being aware of one's role as > a performer is very > important. > > Its important to share your excitement about creating music with your > audience. Equipment > malfunctions, computer crashes, weird sound glitches - all these things > that do unfortunately > happen in a live setting can be part of making good music. You just have > to have the right mindset > as an improvisor and performer to make them work. When you are in your > studio - you can just stop > and restart, taking 30 minutes or more to solve the bug. When performing > you have to find a way to > make these things part of the performance if at all possible. > > There's the old jazz axiom - play a wrong note - well then play it wrong > another 3 times to make it > seem like you did it on purpose and make it the right note. I use this all > the time. > > A bass player friend of mine told me about something Charlie Haden told > him. Feeling bad and just > can't play in tune on a particular day? Just use it. Play fully out of > tune and make that what you are > exploring. The same could be about gear malfunctions. Gear making bizarre > sounds - go with it - > make your improv about exploring what the heck is coming out of your gear. > > Another big thing is not to tell people that these are mistakes. If you do > then you think of them as > mistakes and consider it a bad performance. You just need to think of them > as challenges adding to > the excitement of live improv and part of the process. Often the weird > mishaps are the most exciting > interesting part of an improv. For me I always love the challenge of man - > how am I gonna get out of > this and make it musical. > > For instance I was struck by some bizarre momentary impulse while > performing at BEMF with Rick > Walker to use a Bob Marley loop. (My sister's husband is a huge fan and > was at the show.) It > completely stuck out and sounded just awkward and weird to me. In the past > I would have just > yanked it out and hoped that people forgot about it. Now instead I kept it > there and did everything I > could to make it work. Rick started singing along and it was a great > surreal moment. If it had been in > a studio I would have just yanked it out and edited out this "mistake" > later. > > I also think that no matter how you feel after a show it important to > leave self reflection and criticism > till after the show and you have hopefully had a chance to listen to your > performance again later. So > often I listen after a show that I think just was awful and quite like it > given a weeks space. I think it is > healthy as a musician to always be striving to something better and being > dissatisfied is not a bad > thing. You can always learn from listening to past performances. > > The issue arises when at a show you let the audience know you are not > happy with a set. Instead of > sharing the wonders of making music it becomes about your ego and you take > away from listeners > ability to enjoy your music. Self reflection later as to how the next > performance can be better is great > - but make sure you realize you are performing for an audience and as such > be gracious to them for > having taken the time to listen to your music. > > These are all performance issues and can change bad improv into good > improv. Also I highly > recommend reading the book Effortless Mastery - > http://www.amazon.com/Effortless-Mastery- > Liberating-Master-Musician/dp/156224003X > > While I don't agree with all the book says it makes some great points > about how to practice being in > the zone for performing. > > Stefan > > -- > http://www.kenaxis.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 21 22:56:29 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 875373C007; Thu, 21 Jun 2007 22:56:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=Yw6eMVqWfOkISoZi787my6T0ixIbyJq/uSBCPXM4QMh8IqrkZph4KHTMuNHyZl9lgXnFp9S4hxlHCQUBDmyKJKVEhf7k8TPWUZ6iPbymprUA8ev0+9U3E68VeIwpOCBXALybok7si4xs4EPq1/0AsorpxgOacDL8RO1260SUrBk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=sIMmDtcTxS9IQ6a1bR6bkZOCz6m/gXNx6HiIxqM7R5BUwr8B30+ZVJnc35w1yQ2zDqMS36yXEqUeHGjwvLSSfDFavaIlzzFFINdZam7jBXUt1HzWOpJWGgSM7Y1s+l2IeeWGcOyTQIykU+AoBshhVNSUyE5AdySGRnSY0N9cl5U= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <20070621223032.15D693BFE6@arsenic.violacea.com> References: <20070621223032.15D693BFE6@arsenic.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: simple mobius question Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2007 00:56:25 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: <45aj8.A.ZFB.dIweGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71507 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2007 22:56:29 +0000 (UTC) On 22 jun 2007, at 00.30, Jens Wolters wrote: > I have one question. When I recording loops I want that the next > loops starts recording automatically when it is empty. How can I do > this ? You set that behavior in the preferences. I use that on both EDP and Mobius. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 21 22:57:27 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A780C3BFFC; Thu, 21 Jun 2007 22:57:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=oz683I6Bjuof5f494ghNTR4aQzKpvaxyxHpewHSG0oe3uU9T3AfmX/Kp3GlAH+YzK/j/deDFrrDHZ1mYLDgFGB+JJUAGqmfJXnuYhnTNWQBhK074X5PPrTlGrG6Q4i/Rm4ZDHmhgalongCyn+ZlqiACqc4NRWhCnLDurZ3nAtrw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=J1MilMGeDUueaAKQfGo+t+sNiovWJ0itB5a/iX2tjAqYwPBBQ91a1xi8kPkXQg8FRS9v8vggH2W11uWEfSZT8J7FS71Ap6KnlVO1o0h+aNnWlD3dEuPnZiglHITuD55PorzHmmSLei4q+ftRdwgzqdcqaBMwntlx1Q1oS9GUHf8= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: References:

Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <02D0587C-6541-476E-8582-0F84D1331C94@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: iFCB app for programming foot pedal Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2007 00:57:24 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71508 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2007 22:57:27 +0000 (UTC) On 22 jun 2007, at 00.36, Jeremy Slead wrote: > Cool! Windows version, anyone??? Plenty! Get that info and download from the FCB1010 list. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://www.myspace.com/looproom From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 21 22:58:47 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E309B3C005; Thu, 21 Jun 2007 22:58:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=W3ELW7R8ESMVcXuaGBf+Xt4eQxsrPr+qwUzIGPRQQmHTPZR/+B7AWzVDS1+5KTRBx0lCVCLBEVOQYHxlqLtJXJxjkdgtIP4FzW8pq0wGQFvZ6d1GwzbOSc6uhBaCcYW3TGfvB4rSb7Jqe1m/xLz2VHqJODEJXLoMvpqkLsx6094=; X-YMail-OSG: pHwncAoVM1mh3zgzO3Xru.oDwZ9mm6mFAlZa6QewXB_PCMTVzN5VX1u8xmLRVZpxXrgL_Jo5UgLBQ_3aLNsUWkzILOP8M0PKgf12QcUYtmhgGkVLPA-- Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2007 15:58:44 -0700 (PDT) From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: 2 new pictures To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <3FE21D94-6323-45FA-9454-4BEE7BAD3830@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <193154.11641.qm@web43132.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: <455PXD.A.4eB.nKweGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71509 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2007 22:58:47 +0000 (UTC) Nice! If Roger Dean had done the set design for Antonioni's 'Blow Up', it would have looked a lot like this! How was the festival? -t- --- Per Boysen wrote: > Two pictures from last weeks festival looping in the > Baltic Sea: > http://tinyurl.com/2j43b3 > > per > > http://www.myspace.com/nimbletunes http://cdbaby.com/all/timnelson ____________________________________________________________________________________ Get the free Yahoo! toolbar and rest assured with the added security of spyware protection. http://new.toolbar.yahoo.com/toolbar/features/norton/index.php From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 21 23:00:59 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 217A33C00A; Thu, 21 Jun 2007 23:00:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Stefan Smulovitz" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: re: improvisation and performance Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2007 16:00:56 -0700 Message-Id: <20070621225601.M84445@kenaxis.com> X-Mailer: OpenWebMail 2.52 20060502 X-OriginatingIP: 142.58.133.58 (kenaxis) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-yoursite-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-yoursite-MailScanner: Not scanned: please contact your Internet E-Mail Service Provider for details X-yoursite-MailScanner-From: stefan@kenaxis.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71510 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2007 23:00:59 +0000 (UTC) Well I'll never actually call myself a jazz player. As an improvisor when I play a note that I consider wrong I do play it again and try and change my perception as to making it a right note. I love dissonance and those notes work well for me. At this point I just think of them as unexpected notes - was going for something else but everything underneath shifted. You are probably right about the jazzers though - they have a much tighter framework to be in. I do think fear of playing wrong notes makes for a major block to playing and that the play it again idea gives a way of sidestepping this and being a better performer. And yes, eventually they just become alternate notes.... Stefan -- http://www.kenaxis.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 21 23:05:27 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E90E13C00F; Thu, 21 Jun 2007 23:05:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <01a901c7b458$a6aee530$9db1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <20070621225601.M84445@kenaxis.com> Subject: Re: improvisation and performance Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2007 17:05:23 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71511 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2007 23:05:27 +0000 (UTC) agreed. wasn't it Miles who said that if we aren't making mistakes, we aren't playing jazz? suggesting that we have to push ourselves ,etc. I think it is especially the case in improv music. take risks. become vulnerable. get outside the lines. I too love dissonance...probably too much. :) Kris ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2007 5:00 PM Subject: re: improvisation and performance > Well I'll never actually call myself a jazz player. As an improvisor when > I play a note that I consider > wrong I do play it again and try and change my perception as to making it > a right note. I love > dissonance and those notes work well for me. At this point I just think of > them as unexpected notes - > was going for something else but everything underneath shifted. > > You are probably right about the jazzers though - they have a much tighter > framework to be in. I do > think fear of playing wrong notes makes for a major block to playing and > that the play it again idea > gives a way of sidestepping this and being a better performer. And yes, > eventually they just become > alternate notes.... > > Stefan > > -- > http://www.kenaxis.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 21 23:07:39 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 15E583C00F; Thu, 21 Jun 2007 23:07:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-YMail-OSG: iFNB3E0VM1lNa.BOS98mtF5daYghw_UXK4W7ZSNtBwHbYQBgn3RuiIjdHvHEriYQ_eLCfwzZ8LJrrQEjkAyyQbQmuoYIx5T4WPzBhB3nbTUh5AmoJ.0- Message-ID: <001901c7b458$f1f49c10$4101a8c0@MICHAELPLISHKA> From: "Michael Plishka" To: References: <20070621225601.M84445@kenaxis.com> Subject: Re: improvisation and performance Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2007 18:07:29 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71512 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2007 23:07:39 +0000 (UTC) Kind of like getting psyched out by the water at the 12th hole. No different than another shot but it messes with your mind. Accept the water and relax and BAM on the green....well most of the time... ;-) Thanks Stefan for your wisdom! Plish ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stefan Smulovitz" To: Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2007 6:00 PM Subject: re: improvisation and performance > Well I'll never actually call myself a jazz player. As an improvisor when > I play a note that I consider > wrong I do play it again and try and change my perception as to making it > a right note. I love > dissonance and those notes work well for me. At this point I just think of > them as unexpected notes - > was going for something else but everything underneath shifted. > > You are probably right about the jazzers though - they have a much tighter > framework to be in. I do > think fear of playing wrong notes makes for a major block to playing and > that the play it again idea > gives a way of sidestepping this and being a better performer. And yes, > eventually they just become > alternate notes.... > > Stefan > > -- > http://www.kenaxis.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 21 23:12:37 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 829553C018; Thu, 21 Jun 2007 23:12:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-YMail-OSG: X_X6JyAVM1mCiC1tBp8j_bJnaDWxcSNqxcPuScjRjyINzvbRiowX3zGmhxqarDNEOWisnwH9twiHJeUjljxL9l.l5QTFoRtNg4wC1KInzdclC4PGYyU- Message-ID: <002101c7b459$a3771d50$4101a8c0@MICHAELPLISHKA> From: "Michael Plishka" To: References: <808407.73062.qm@web23106.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: New to looping again!!!! no doubt Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2007 18:12:27 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_001E_01C7B42F.B9B04CB0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71513 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2007 23:12:37 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001E_01C7B42F.B9B04CB0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Welcome aboard! Cool stuff by the way. Depends what you want to = accomplish?. Putting it after the effects is, at least in my opinion, a = little more predictable but it forces you to be cleaner to account for = echoes, etc. If you do it before then it may be cleaner but every = change in effects will show up in every loop. That's fine if you want it = but I routinely change effects during songs. IF you can afford another = one you can do it in both places ;-) ~peace~ Plish ----- Original Message -----=20 From: martin wilson=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2007 5:44 PM Subject: New to looping again!!!! no doubt Hi, Hello to everyone. I am new to looping and have a shiny new Boss Rc2. I am going to use this with my guitar and effects, and also with my 5 = string electric violin. If you have heard Ed-alleyne Johnson you will know where I am heading = with the fiddle.=20 KT Tunstall is where I am going with the guitar. My first question to help me get started is where in my effects chain = do I put the thing!!!! Do I create the loops clean then process with distortion/delay/chorus = etc after the looper, or do I loop the already processed sound, or a bit = of both. Try this link to get an idea of what I am trying to acheive with the = fiddle. http://www.muntfish.com/alleyne-johnson/os.php Thanks all John, and son Cailean (only 14 but a better musician than me LOL) scotland -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- What kind of emailer are you? Find out today - get a free analysis of = your email personality. Take the quiz at the Yahoo! Mail Championship. ------=_NextPart_000_001E_01C7B42F.B9B04CB0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Welcome aboard! Cool stuff by the = way. =20 Depends what you want to accomplish?. Putting it after the effects is, = at least=20 in my opinion, a little more predictable but it forces you to be cleaner = to=20 account for echoes, etc. If you do it before then it may be = cleaner but=20 every change in effects will show up in every loop. That's fine if you = want it=20 but I routinely change effects during songs. IF you can afford another = one you=20 can do it in both places ;-)

~peace~

Plish

----- Original Message -----

From:=20 martin wilson

To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20

Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2007 = 5:44=20 PM

Subject: New to looping = again!!!! no=20 doubt

Hi,

Hello to everyone. I am new to looping and have a shiny new Boss=20 Rc2.

I am going to use this with my guitar and effects, and also with = my 5=20 string electric violin.

If you have heard Ed-alleyne Johnson you will know where I am = heading=20 with the fiddle.

KT Tunstall is where I am going with the guitar.

My first question to help me get started is where in my effects = chain do=20 I put the thing!!!!

Do I create the loops clean then process with = distortion/delay/chorus etc=20 after the looper, or do I loop the already processed sound, or a bit = of=20 both.

Try this link to get an idea of what I am trying to acheive with = the=20 fiddle.

http://www.muntfi= sh.com/alleyne-johnson/os.php

Thanks all

John, and son Cailean (only 14 but a better musician than me = LOL)

scotland

What kind of emailer are you? Find out today - get a free analysis of = your=20 email personality. Take the quiz at the Yahoo! = Mail Championship. ------=_NextPart_000_001E_01C7B42F.B9B04CB0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 21 23:19:29 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E2FDC3C01E; Thu, 21 Jun 2007 23:19:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-EN-OrigOutIP: 10.1.18.11 X-EN-IMPSID: EPKT1X0060EKrUA0000000 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2007 16:15:20 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Sean Echevarria Subject: OT: usb i/o bridges Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-EN-UserInfo: 4e12c5fe79f298d3e0334846d6e14b72:75caded3a5c52cf5820480c3dbce8e31 X-EN-AuthUser: seancreepingfog Sender: Sean Echevarria X-EN-OrigIP: 64.121.34.10 X-EN-OrigHost: 64-121-34-10.c3-0.snmt-ubr1.sfrn-snmt.ca.static.cable.rcn.com Message-Id: <20070621231928.E381E3BFF2@arsenic.violacea.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71514 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2007 23:19:29 +0000 (UTC) Seems like an awful lot of DIY people here so here's a non-loop related hardware question. Does anyone have any experience with USB based i/o bridges for reading hardware switches from a PC? I think these are examples of what I should be looking for: http://www.bcsideas.com/RP0000xxxxTBCLDC.htm http://www.labjack.com/labjack_u3.php?prodId=25 http://www.elexol.com/IO_Modules/ If anyone has any experience with these types of things please let me know. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 21 23:22:52 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A65393C022; Thu, 21 Jun 2007 23:22:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=dAn7NRa2rn23AHfIfP25OB/iXkGYa6uf8az7/6koDYPOPlb93px03x2Ag6tIcQsOUp+cp0ve6PHtSx3ueNebtREBkccapmUAk+ESgh1oS2Hxuut80cmCNXH9I7jEfPtgsIFRNr8BNHhmIJrH0/ZpTLAvpW25w4B154KcEn6huwE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=dBhQCGpUUkY4N3BvxTT+Uq7W0Qu/97LDyLGw0rn8wKg1GWJnhPCMtlTUfk07c5KwPN0wqEHKnd6PtjFO88W57CO7o14ki+l5yclaeOmDLbmvGmZ4gj/j9P3TKu0lttM+I2ijD1UkIe8i+CAZCH0HKazpIUCbXulXaCTQ8N3g+jU= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <193154.11641.qm@web43132.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <193154.11641.qm@web43132.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <8D11716D-288C-4CB8-93C4-D2E6B9388E21@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: 2 new pictures Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2007 01:22:48 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71515 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2007 23:22:52 +0000 (UTC) On 22 jun 2007, at 00.58, Tim Nelson wrote: > Nice! > > If Roger Dean had done the set design for Antonioni's > 'Blow Up', it would have looked a lot like this! A DJ did all that decoration and lightening. It was a beautiful venue, an old fire brigade station. > How was the festival? To us artists it became more of "a seminar" that a festival since we were talking so much, for more than a week, about what everyone was doing, and how. Learned a lot and initiated some new future collab's. Can't post everything, but the final show was excellent: Last Refuge For The Senses (San Fran...) did their multi media show Noise Hippies Against All War. Throat singing and violin playing over a sinus tone back track led into an hour of deafening 16 mm film with computer music live performance. By the end the film projection engineer "played the 16 mm projector" with his hands, making light images by moving different lenses in and out. I did not see exactly what he was doing to the machine because I didn't want to miss the result that was happening on the big screen. per From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 21 23:52:00 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 51D003C009; Thu, 21 Jun 2007 23:51:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=Xizz0dmiM8lOJtE3UE50jiT3t82x7s6bA9xQFfPBdNn5KycarRJBMsOoJuyktOFx1UlybFSJ3utwKBxxeg94c2uBqEmnL2kuHszmZuhoGWBZs8FQgHmqZFERQO6V5wR1eIStWR5rMZoHEx2K4rZKuhZ8H32qmlFY8YDXDZUovAI=; X-YMail-OSG: yfTopi8VM1k1n_VndrTZBpgCUQLGWHsDE8n1HHjoEWTh_TXiQObHQDmwijAvGmzQpksyKmqQLojeeMRvQ3pOxCiJnuRUdPUstrQVeUCmh_S_33MKwd4rTW0nUcKdqQ-- Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2007 16:51:58 -0700 (PDT) From: bill bigrig Subject: Re: improvisation and performance To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <001901c7b44f$6602e3f0$1001a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <596958.17482.qm@web32707.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71516 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2007 23:51:59 +0000 (UTC) Howdy, This brings to mind a quote from the late frank Zappa. "One clunker is a mistake, two clunkers is a composition. rig --- Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill wrote: > > couldn't play it. I think it is > ridiculous...continue > > playing a wrong note? And to do so to "make it" > seem like it > > was on purpose. > > This feels rather deceitful and insincere to me. > Of course, > > once you play a so-called wrong note, then you > have to accept > > it as such and it becomes part of the weave, but > to repeat > > it, that could be a freakin' > > disaster if applied as a general rule of thumb. > Jazz > > It's called "live looping", Krispen ;) > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Need a vacation? Get great deals to amazing places on Yahoo! Travel. http://travel.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 21 23:55:58 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5567F3C011; Thu, 21 Jun 2007 23:55:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <20070621.145056.13807.1@webmail17.dca.untd.com> References: <20070621.145056.13807.1@webmail17.dca.untd.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <683C5229-8FB5-42E6-89FC-E67765BC618A@zerocrossing.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Mark Sottilaro Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Re:_Ich_bin_eine_Nervens=E4ge_=28Was:_The_Artist'?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q?s_Right_To_Be_Boring=29?= Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2007 16:55:17 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: <0JomXC.A.ZhH.NAxeGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71517 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2007 23:55:58 +0000 (UTC) Oh yes. There's no doubt in my mind that if I do end up playing live again it will be with some wireless in ear monitors. I'm done with not being able to hear! I may have to get them for my home studio too as now we live in a condo... M On Jun 21, 2007, at 6:50 PM, Weg wrote: > Hi Mark, and all! > > Mark said "On the other hand, I love playing with other > musicians... just not on > stage. Last time I jammed on stage with other musicians (Rick and > Bill Walker) I couldn't hear our monitors at all and as it turned out > I was screamingly loud compared to them (as reported by my > friends). " > > I think everyone gets to this state at some point in there playing > experience... We are currently experimenting with those cellphone > bluetooth earpieces to see if they will work as wireless monitors. > We found a bluetooth usb dongle and wait for them to come in. Our > hopes are we can eliminate some floor monitors in the studio and > give more room for musicians. On the playing out side of things > here in WV there isn't much cash for moving your equipment to a > club and performing unless you have a large audience but the clubs > are small and the doormen are not that honest with the cash.... I'm > sure everyone has experienced these or worse conditions, We hope to > start house parties again like the old atlantic records, podcast it > and possibly make some cash with the video/audio recordings of the > party..... or at least pay the rent.... > > > peace, > > Weg From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 22 00:21:22 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 53A723C01A; Fri, 22 Jun 2007 00:21:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com In-Reply-To: <002101c7b459$a3771d50$4101a8c0@MICHAELPLISHKA> References: <808407.73062.qm@web23106.mail.ird.yahoo.com> <002101c7b459$a3771d50$4101a8c0@MICHAELPLISHKA> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-3-153496704 Message-Id: <2B1F9CCF-CF5E-445F-80B7-26338E1D876F@zerocrossing.net> From: Mark Sottilaro Subject: Re: New to looping again!!!! no doubt Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2007 17:20:43 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71518 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2007 00:21:22 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-3-153496704 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed What he said. I always keep dedicated hardware effects pre Mobius and often post process the loop with software. Sometimes, when I'm feeling naughty, I'll preprocess my signal with a vst too. On Jun 21, 2007, at 4:12 PM, Michael Plishka wrote: > Welcome aboard! Cool stuff by the way. Depends what you want to > accomplish?. Putting it after the effects is, at least in my > opinion, a little more predictable but it forces you to be cleaner > to account for echoes, etc. If you do it before then it may be > cleaner but every change in effects will show up in every loop. > That's fine if you want it but I routinely change effects during > songs. IF you can afford another one you can do it in both places ;-) > > ~peace~ > > Plish > ----- Original Message ----- > From: martin wilson > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2007 5:44 PM > Subject: New to looping again!!!! no doubt > > Hi, > Hello to everyone. I am new to looping and have a shiny new Boss Rc2. > I am going to use this with my guitar and effects, and also with my > 5 string electric violin. > If you have heard Ed-alleyne Johnson you will know where I am > heading with the fiddle. > KT Tunstall is where I am going with the guitar. > > My first question to help me get started is where in my effects > chain do I put the thing!!!! > Do I create the loops clean then process with distortion/delay/ > chorus etc after the looper, or do I loop the already processed > sound, or a bit of both. > > Try this link to get an idea of what I am trying to acheive with > the fiddle. > http://www.muntfish.com/alleyne-johnson/os.php > > Thanks all > John, and son Cailean (only 14 but a better musician than me LOL) > scotland > > > What kind of emailer are you? Find out today - get a free analysis > of your email personality. Take the quiz at the Yahoo! Mail > Championship. > --Apple-Mail-3-153496704 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 What he said.=A0 I always keep = dedicated hardware effects pre Mobius and often post process the loop = with software.=A0 Sometimes, when I'm feeling naughty, I'll preprocess = my signal with a vst too.

On Jun 21, 2007, at 4:12 PM, = Michael Plishka wrote:

Welcome aboard!=A0 Cool = stuff by the way.=A0 Depends what you want to accomplish?. Putting it = after the effects is, at least in my opinion, a little more predictable = but it forces you to be cleaner to account for echoes, etc.=A0 If you do = it before then it may be cleaner but every change in effects will show = up in every loop. That's fine if you want it but I routinely change = effects during songs. IF you can afford another one you can do it in = both places ;-)
=A0

----- Original = Message -----
From: martin wilson
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2007 5:44 PM
Subject: New to looping again!!!! no = doubt

Hi,
Hello to everyone. I = am new to looping and have a shiny new Boss Rc2.
I am going to = use this with my guitar and effects, and also with my 5 string electric = violin.
If you have heard Ed-alleyne Johnson you will know = where I am heading with the fiddle.
KT Tunstall is where I am = going with the guitar.
=A0
My first question to help = me get started is where in my effects chain do I put the = thing!!!!
Do I create the loops clean then process with = distortion/delay/chorus etc after the looper, or do I loop the already = processed sound, or a bit of both.
=A0
Try this link = to get an idea of what I am trying to acheive with the = fiddle.
What kind of = emailer are you? Find out today - get a free analysis of your email = personality. Take the quiz at the=A0 Yahoo! Mail = Championship.

= --Apple-Mail-3-153496704-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 22 01:26:40 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A6C6D3C019; Fri, 22 Jun 2007 01:26:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-UNTD-OriginStamp: o/bIkQeVaBme+Zo4dBx9J3z9cjG/B/JJ2a/sp6qZAtOdQwXFzzOmGv6/nd0qtl83 X-Originating-IP: [67.150.41.233] Mime-Version: 1.0 From: "stillllscary@netzero.net" Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2007 01:24:06 GMT To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: New to looping again!!!! no doubt X-Mailer: Webmail Version 4.0 Message-Id: <20070621.182406.9122.0@webmail44.lax.untd.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative;boundary="--__JWM__J395a.18deS.7e24M" X-ContentStamp: 1:1:4122135297 X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 10.131.27.184|webmail44.lax.untd.com|webmail44.lax.untd.com|stillllscary@netzero.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71519 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2007 01:26:40 +0000 (UTC) ----__JWM__J395a.18deS.7e24M Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain for conventional music you are gonna want to run effects pre looper to k= eep each sound layered unique....lots of folks like to run a looper and = a mixer and are able to capture any of the tracks in the loop....the sky= seems to be the limit... loop on, danny/scary ----__JWM__J395a.18deS.7e24M Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/html

for conventional music you are gonna want to run effects pre lo= oper to keep each sound layered unique....lots of folks like to run a lo= oper and a mixer and are able to capture any of the tracks in the loop..= ..the sky seems to be the limit...

loop on, danny/scary

----__JWM__J395a.18deS.7e24M-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 22 02:53:18 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 717B53C00A; Fri, 22 Jun 2007 02:53:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=EAffF1B2kEtXBdzLfEqwcydFC+bUQnrn74ByUa/EGlul2UaJoxApa0wzWk02VuTgdNVHUj9F0RneYmoOBIof/7C8bT3a2R65I9SCHAFgICnfuXk4Omvzr7lh1H4U+5FAF7gYiV3J3X2UAGFQG8OAU0P6pZx+SyUfIwwjEGV1JQI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=Em+3KvvGf10uQ6Rb2MrecLDz3kcxHvTW4I876kaMC3lXoZSq95zXaa27FjGR6nzu11XG2Dw9uDGKP05PAIqc3b11xiAX5cbcduA10Kclm/9qUabRSY4BF2p6sfimVLYEBSKq0GVIn7ihJOjhuBmI6d6AUW0xO6rILPEc34zXizE= Message-ID: Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2007 04:53:16 +0200 From: "Raul Bonell" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: improvisation and performance In-Reply-To: <467AF89A.60700@mhorse.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <20070621215853.D33953BFE0@arsenic.violacea.com> <467AF89A.60700@mhorse.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71520 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2007 02:53:18 +0000 (UTC) 2007/6/22, Daryl Shawn : but are generally held to be too dissonant, thus > they are to be avoided. One common example would be the 11th over a > dominant chord. Well, you can always play the 11th bellow and then put the dominat, second inversion, above separated by more than an octave .... hold that keys on ;-) Raul. -- The Playing Orchestra: http://www.telefonica.net/web2/tpo Chain Tape Collective: http://www.ct-collective.com TPO at myspace: http://www.myspace.com/theplayingorchestra From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 22 03:01:52 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 80C473C002; Fri, 22 Jun 2007 03:01:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Josh Carroll Subject: Re: iFCB app for programming foot pedal Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2007 22:01:46 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - chara.lunarpages.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - infinivert.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71521 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2007 03:01:52 +0000 (UTC) Thanks Zoe! I had used a similar utility on PC, but was looking for something else now that I have a Mac. --Josh On Jun 21, 2007, at 5:12 PM, Zoe Keating wrote: > Heya Loopers, > > I meant to post this before, cause it is so great. > An application that allows you to program you FCB1010 on your > computer. Has a nice GUI that looks just like the pedal. > A lot easier... > > http://www.versiontracker.com/dyn/moreinfo/macosx/31078 > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 22 03:35:46 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 42BEA3C016; Fri, 22 Jun 2007 03:35:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=fNuszePz3z26tQwzt1PqtoAsf65leuYf88fqrbAGFhLmgvAoGShfUaZWf3I8riK3JEHq5q62Q10bdryu2n0ppM67ycS7DJRN9rlOsOaFQoLMRSKxjj4+q81Hz5AoxheBd8l56YM0xAT3UpZIsUmvb0ctDWAqMBR1NWpxpPR95CM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=lQTxmuYxLm2WNcjtt88wldd905//U6bEYT7OM690tmc/qdm/Bw7V5P9tHs92nUID9ACyqjiYSXTI92/A3JKb0RZcRZAAelCTA2phICGZXThAAblW/o8/suMNp0xxLLCvq0Mk7OTVz9UX2wCvCXX7gvGfDSkClzF65H2NTPcsLeU= Message-ID: Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2007 05:35:43 +0200 From: "Raul Bonell" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: iFCB app for programming foot pedal In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References:

Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71522 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2007 03:35:46 +0000 (UTC) 2007/6/22, Josh Carroll : > Thanks Zoe! I had used a similar utility on PC, but was looking for > something else now that I have a Mac. hi josh , may you tell us which pc utility ? thanx, Raul. -- The Playing Orchestra: http://www.telefonica.net/web2/tpo Chain Tape Collective: http://www.ct-collective.com TPO at myspace: http://www.myspace.com/theplayingorchestra From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 22 04:04:21 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8B3263BFE5; Fri, 22 Jun 2007 04:04:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: AW: iFCB app for programming foot pedal Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2007 06:04:38 +0200 Organization: Moinlabs Message-ID: <000c01c7b482$73f12480$1001a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Thread-Index: Ace0fmsnIUpUfSrwQ4yPX/Drtwtu7wAA/6rA X-RZG-AUTH: lUESeo99iNzPL8kuBgLYdKEqUywq9cxqeRA+BtFcSCD5deQ7OICLNONp X-RZG-CLASS-ID: mo07 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71523 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2007 04:04:21 +0000 (UTC) Hey Raul, the mother of all FCB editors: http://www.mtnsys.com/faq-fcb/PCEditorBeta.htm From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 22 04:56:20 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 65F953C00F; Fri, 22 Jun 2007 04:56:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2007 21:56:09 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Sean Echevarria Subject: Re: iFCB app for programming foot pedal In-Reply-To: References:

Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-EN-UserInfo: 4e12c5fe79f298d3e0334846d6e14b72:75caded3a5c52cf5820480c3dbce8e31 X-EN-AuthUser: seancreepingfog Sender: Sean Echevarria X-EN-OrigIP: 64.121.34.10 X-EN-OrigHost: 64-121-34-10.c3-0.snmt-ubr1.sfrn-snmt.ca.static.cable.rcn.com Message-Id: <20070622045619.023853BFF8@arsenic.violacea.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71524 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2007 04:56:20 +0000 (UTC) That link was for a Mac OS X app... At 2007.06.21 08:01 PM, Josh Carroll wrote: >Thanks Zoe! I had used a similar utility on PC, but was looking for >something else now that I have a Mac. > >--Josh > > >On Jun 21, 2007, at 5:12 PM, Zoe Keating wrote: > >>Heya Loopers, >> >>I meant to post this before, cause it is so great. >>An application that allows you to program you FCB1010 on your >>computer. Has a nice GUI that looks just like the pedal. >>A lot easier... >> >>http://www.versiontracker.com/dyn/moreinfo/macosx/31078 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 22 04:57:19 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CCB243C018; Fri, 22 Jun 2007 04:57:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2007 21:57:14 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Sean Echevarria Subject: Re: iFCB app for programming foot pedal In-Reply-To: <20070622045619.023853BFF8@arsenic.violacea.com> References:

<20070622045619.023853BFF8@arsenic.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-EN-UserInfo: 4e12c5fe79f298d3e0334846d6e14b72:75caded3a5c52cf5820480c3dbce8e31 X-EN-AuthUser: seancreepingfog Sender: Sean Echevarria X-EN-OrigIP: 64.121.34.10 X-EN-OrigHost: 64-121-34-10.c3-0.snmt-ubr1.sfrn-snmt.ca.static.cable.rcn.com Message-Id: <20070622045719.6D9CB3BFFC@arsenic.violacea.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71525 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2007 04:57:19 +0000 (UTC) duh! nevermind... just talkin' to myself... At 2007.06.21 09:56 PM, Sean Echevarria wrote: >That link was for a Mac OS X app... > > >At 2007.06.21 08:01 PM, Josh Carroll wrote: >>Thanks Zoe! I had used a similar utility on PC, but was looking for >>something else now that I have a Mac. >> >>--Josh >> >> >>On Jun 21, 2007, at 5:12 PM, Zoe Keating wrote: >> >>>Heya Loopers, >>> >>>I meant to post this before, cause it is so great. >>>An application that allows you to program you FCB1010 on your >>>computer. Has a nice GUI that looks just like the pedal. >>>A lot easier... >>> >>>http://www.versiontracker.com/dyn/moreinfo/macosx/31078 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 22 05:31:40 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 845D63C017; Fri, 22 Jun 2007 05:31:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-SBRS: -2.9 X-RemoteIP: 80.47.23.142 X-Cloudmark-SP-Filtered: true X-Cloudmark-SP-Result: v=1.0 c=0 a=MmNTPyGc4xqy3AtpTegA:9 a=58igh2NQ9yfcKZR36Z0A:7 a=a1msXA9nHeCb4gJw2Je0FFI5EmgA:4 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AuB6AOr7ekZQLxeOR2dsb2JhbACCGYURh3IBAT8Bn2c X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.16,449,1175468400"; d="scan'208";a="3406862" Message-ID: <467B5ED6.3000303@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2007 06:32:06 +0100 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Really OBSCURE inquiry References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71526 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2007 05:31:40 +0000 (UTC) Terry Riley did long sax improv with loops. Don't know about the geography though. andy butler Rev Fever wrote: > A shot in the dark here, I realize, but back in the very 80's (or even > late 70's?) in Austin Texas, there was an interesting musician who was a > sax player > and who did these LONG sax jams a la loops (and?). > > I am trying to remember this guy's name after MANY years, and keeping > drawing a blank. > I think(?) his first name was either Richard or Dickey, (OR...?) but I > don't remember now? > > The other "interesting" thing about him was that he got sent to prison > for marijuana, for mere possession or sales, I have no idea, > but I DO know that the laws for ANY weed involvement there were HARSH > and the sentences could very potentially be VERY LONG. > But that is another subject entirely and I do not wish to get into. > > I just want to know more about him and what became of him and / or if > there is anything about on the web (OR...?), or if any recordings he did > survive,etc? > > Thanx! > > -Rev Fever > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 22 05:46:03 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 922853C01F; Fri, 22 Jun 2007 05:46:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-SBRS: -2.9 X-RemoteIP: 80.47.23.142 X-Cloudmark-SP-Filtered: true X-Cloudmark-SP-Result: v=1.0 c=0 a=hVrI5xF3X_vfgVerDGkA:9 a=GmA1NVxTImWxbH6q3oUg3nUt0LQA:4 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AuB6APb+ekZQLxeOR2dsb2JhbACCGYURh3IBAT8Bn3E X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.16,449,1175468400"; d="scan'208";a="3407401" Message-ID: <467B6235.4090401@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2007 06:46:29 +0100 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: improvisation and performance References: <20070621194009.M5176@kenaxis.com> <013301c7b449$630e6ad0$9db1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> In-Reply-To: <013301c7b449$630e6ad0$9db1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <1S7UU.A.BXC.bI2eGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71527 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2007 05:46:03 +0000 (UTC) > > Here is another quote, that can also be taken out of context or > mis-applied: > > "There is no such thing as a wrong note." Art Tatum > > Kris > indeed "There is no such thing as a wrong note, only notes that are incorrectly resolved." is the context that I've heard it. ..or was that Monk's response? andy as "jazz theory" usually says a natural seventh played over a dominant seventh chord is ok, I'd wonder what a wrong note in "jazz theory" is :-) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 22 06:33:29 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 741173C022; Fri, 22 Jun 2007 06:33:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=Om8I3NoD+j4MNtJXcuOjuexRY7Kujw8TGLHr72KR++iQsieHNvSBxdTR9MhHHCTZyxUtiW2RskQDSwsao//lBDpxy2ihWNWsgZsqsyIuolVmXVzUIiTUmOcAz9V0PMk5MzhR5Q8pcJERhY3z1y0SBTxofl5l25o/0ieymrCmyIA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=E1XX8pxdMM/Dnj21PH3K93VFs6CVHmGw60rAUZ3XzN/VP/vt8z0KF0Xvp7y2II0zaHs3H7rw6endoWL+nqpPauAfuN1qWT0FD3y4lk9piifGUId8JJtwQVfxKtgCts2JQ2wDfHCdj/odZmnDAq7wz7purCa5ZoNgVhWQxbPvbx8= Message-ID: <588ce11d0706212333i5bf9141j18ebce0f14b44b93@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2007 23:33:27 -0700 From: "Art Simon" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Really OBSCURE inquiry In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_139887_21801980.1182494007327" References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71528 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2007 06:33:29 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_139887_21801980.1182494007327 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Don't know if this is the guy you're thinking of, but in the 80's (86?) a guy who did long solo sax improvs came to stay with us in San Francisco while he was touring. I'm blanking on name, but I'm thinking his first name was Jack. He had a cassette release called "Assorted Treats." I remember he was driving his Pinto all over the country doing any gigs he could get. Not sure where he was from, but it wasn't California, could have been Texas. He had long curly hair. Nice guy. If I keep thinking, I'm pretty sure the name will come back. I still have his cassette, buried in my attic somewhere. On 6/21/07, Rev Fever wrote: > > A shot in the dark here, I realize, but back in the very 80's (or > even late 70's?) in Austin Texas, there was an interesting musician > who was a sax player > and who did these LONG sax jams a la loops (and?). > > I am trying to remember this guy's name after MANY years, and keeping > drawing a blank. > I think(?) his first name was either Richard or Dickey, (OR...?) but > I don't remember now? > > The other "interesting" thing about him was that he got sent to > prison for marijuana, for mere possession or sales, I have no idea, > but I DO know that the laws for ANY weed involvement there were HARSH > and the sentences could very potentially be VERY LONG. > But that is another subject entirely and I do not wish to get into. > > I just want to know more about him and what became of him and / or if > there is anything about on the web (OR...?), or if any recordings he > did survive,etc? > > Thanx! > > -Rev Fever > > -- Art Simon simart@null.net http://art.simon.tripod.com http://www.myspace.com/artsimon ------=_Part_139887_21801980.1182494007327 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Don't know if this is the guy you're thinking of, but in the 80's (86?) a guy who did long solo sax improvs came to stay with us in San Francisco while he was touring. I'm blanking on name, but I'm thinking his first name was Jack. He had a cassette release called "Assorted Treats." I remember he was driving his Pinto all over the country doing any gigs he could get. Not sure where he was from, but it wasn't California, could have been Texas. He had long curly hair. Nice guy. If I keep thinking, I'm pretty sure the name will come back. I still have his cassette, buried in my attic somewhere.

On 6/21/07, Rev Fever <revfever@ubergadget.com> wrote:

A shot in the dark here, I realize, but back in the very 80's (or
even late 70's?) in Austin Texas, there was an interesting musician
who was a sax player
and who did these LONG sax jams a la loops (and?).

I am trying to remember this guy's name after MANY years, and keeping
drawing a blank.
I think(?) his first name was either Richard or Dickey, (OR...?) but
I don't remember now?

The other "interesting" thing about him was that he got sent to
prison for marijuana, for mere possession or sales, I have no idea,
but I DO know that the laws for ANY weed involvement there were HARSH
and the sentences could very potentially be VERY LONG.
But that is another subject entirely and I do not wish to get into.

I just want to know more about him and what became of him and / or if
there is anything about on the web (OR...?), or if any recordings he
did survive,etc?

Thanx!

-Rev Fever

--
Art Simon
simart@null.net
http://art.simon.tripod.com
http://www.myspace.com/artsimon ------=_Part_139887_21801980.1182494007327-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 22 07:34:38 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 12BAF3C01A; Fri, 22 Jun 2007 07:34:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=SqI9/bmmhbB8Cn6KsVruG3r2sRZzOUcpbl03qDpXCUBxcLl8uUNI1Xci8q0sLtmXq5GGm8andWrSjsGv42MPP0MSI0HsUtMjjGyXC0ZXWiMTy7jw5c9Fv7BNr+ok4lvcqdRQ/S3VS4481z5eOUJRdK4y97JUpTdK/lXmgJnvC+g=; X-YMail-OSG: 7DbV7KcVM1keLWqddH7hrVN62ZS9GctKsWtnXyeCntNeg.oJIDdryLZYMPxNYSIzwv_w4zaTgBJ3xPStoDjKz_2X6Q-- Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2007 00:34:35 -0700 (PDT) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: YAMAHA MG 16/6FX mixer (O.T.) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <062020071253.13252.4679233A00006D9E000033C42216554886020A050C07080C0B0A079D00070B0703@comcast.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <527609.90543.qm@web38608.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71529 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2007 07:34:37 +0000 (UTC) Hi friends, anybody own any of theis series? Thinking of upgrading to a bigger mixer i currently own the CFX1202,this one is just as big with more channels,less weight FX,cheaper etc. but id like to know about the preamps quality compared to the mackie and overall.Any comments are dearly appreciated! 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Autos new Car Finder tool. http://autos.yahoo.com/carfinder/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 22 07:36:03 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A48C13C02A; Fri, 22 Jun 2007 07:36:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Jens Wolters" To: Subject: AW: simple mobius question Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2007 09:36:04 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Thread-Index: Ace0V2fNpM6PryuASUeEfr51KzQHVwASIchA Message-Id: <20070622073602.C1F263C016@arsenic.violacea.com> Resent-Message-ID: <2Sk4c.A.EyH.jv3eGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71530 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2007 07:36:03 +0000 (UTC) Per, how is his behaviour called ? Couldn't find it yet. -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- Von: Per Boysen [mailto:perboysen@gmail.com]=20 Gesendet: Freitag, 22. Juni 2007 00:56 An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Betreff: Re: simple mobius question On 22 jun 2007, at 00.30, Jens Wolters wrote: > I have one question. When I recording loops I want that the next =20 > loops starts recording automatically when it is empty. How can I do =20 > this ? You set that behavior in the preferences. I use that on both EDP and =20 Mobius. 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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 22 09:49:02 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7E4A53C021; Fri, 22 Jun 2007 09:49:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=hqhuXKbOsM2gSUG7svygC/eOOmz5O+B2YqCau4M8djPm8QT7ZWzl3Gcfx5bXHxShCj2hYS/6T2bn68BFKam4WMIY2eEM/bSjqG2BRYhRUuI+flU12dRXvqaPTZ4c/zpJqHXSwIlwz7Tbvn4cksUDv0Rg5JbkMGbH8vi0a0VMdLM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=fWY6B2gIXn48TjkeI1jUUwtdXQoL3lf+JEnZU5Yb5iBdUWNNtMR2eg5DkN3+Sl+EukYpfn27snFPqxDJ+z3Cv33VM2mYtbgEKcsdw4C2GRd5VlRJ4KhtbxYXGd1OZBKZM3simYCIjw5RK64wPgN3VCtfrsOX1RG36nT//Uii0Hw= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <20070622073602.C1F263C016@arsenic.violacea.com> References: <20070622073602.C1F263C016@arsenic.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <3BA23DAD-E175-46CC-BBD4-CB6813545970@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: AW: simple mobius question Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2007 11:48:57 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71532 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2007 09:49:02 +0000 (UTC) You can set the right modes for "Loop Copy" and "Time Copy" . In Mobius 1.30f you find it at "Configuration / Presets / Switch (tab) /: Loop Copy = Timing Time Copy Mode = Overdub There is also the option to activate "Auto Record" under the "General" tab. You should try out what suits you best. Per On 22 jun 2007, at 09.36, Jens Wolters wrote: > Per, how is his behaviour called ? Couldn't find it yet. > > On 22 jun 2007, at 00.30, Jens Wolters wrote: > >> I have one question. When I recording loops I want that the next >> loops starts recording automatically when it is empty. How can I do >> this ? > > You set that behavior in the preferences. I use that on both EDP and > Mobius. > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > www.looproom.com (international) > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 22 09:57:20 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 654803C01A; Fri, 22 Jun 2007 09:57:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Jens Wolters" To: Subject: AW: AW: simple mobius question Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2007 11:57:21 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 In-Reply-To: <3BA23DAD-E175-46CC-BBD4-CB6813545970@gmail.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Thread-Index: Ace0spMx7596LVXCR/e2cnRSwBGJewAASQDQ Message-Id: <20070622095719.550B43BFFF@arsenic.violacea.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71533 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2007 09:57:20 +0000 (UTC) Thanks alot... -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- Von: Per Boysen [mailto:perboysen@gmail.com]=20 Gesendet: Freitag, 22. Juni 2007 11:49 An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Betreff: Re: AW: simple mobius question You can set the right modes for "Loop Copy" and "Time Copy" . In =20 Mobius 1.30f you find it at "Configuration / Presets / Switch (tab) /: Loop Copy =3D Timing Time Copy Mode =3D Overdub There is also the option to activate "Auto Record" under the =20 "General" tab. You should try out what suits you best. Per On 22 jun 2007, at 09.36, Jens Wolters wrote: > Per, how is his behaviour called ? Couldn't find it yet. > > On 22 jun 2007, at 00.30, Jens Wolters wrote: > >> I have one question. When I recording loops I want that the next >> loops starts recording automatically when it is empty. How can I do >> this ? > > You set that behavior in the preferences. I use that on both EDP and > Mobius. > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > www.looproom.com (international) > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 22 09:59:16 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EAEB23C02A; Fri, 22 Jun 2007 09:59:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <467B9D70.2070507@addcom.de> Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2007 11:59:12 +0200 From: Stefan Tiedje User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.4 (Macintosh/20070604) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: cooking music References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71534 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2007 09:59:16 +0000 (UTC) samba - schrieb: > Preparing and serving food is the only Art form that engages all the > senses.Of course the perfect music is part of total dining experience. I am actually preparing a project to literally cook music. When I am cooking, I am improvising and I love it. Now my idea was to put up my Ondes Memorielles and just record all the sounds which happen while you prepare the food, they go into my delay lines, get looped and build a nice texture, the sound of cutting onions, the sound of the oil in the pan and so on. The audience will listen and after all eat what they heard... Unfortunately you can't do that for a lot of people, unless you put up a big band of cooks, which could be fun as well... ;-) (I replied to this thread because its not labelled OT... ;-) Stefan -- Stefan Tiedje------------x------- --_____-----------|-------------- --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()------- -- _|_)----|-----()-------------- ----------()--------www.ccmix.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 22 10:00:40 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 84E0A3C02F; Fri, 22 Jun 2007 10:00:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <467B9DC4.8060106@addcom.de> Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2007 12:00:36 +0200 From: Stefan Tiedje User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.4 (Macintosh/20070604) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Headset mic References: <200706071627265.SM08752@quahome> In-Reply-To: <200706071627265.SM08752@quahome> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71535 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2007 10:00:40 +0000 (UTC) Qua Veda schrieb: > You mentioned you are using an AudioTechnica headset mic. Sounds like a > very convenient mic that frees up your hands to operate faders, play > instruments etc. I am very happy with it, I can't really compare, because its the only one I ever used. It was significantly cheaper than any other. I also have two AudioTechnica condenser mics which can even, for my taste, hold up to a Neumann. The Headset is bigger than those DPA tiny mics, and I put up a wind shield, which blows it up even more. That means its very visible, but I don't want to hide my instrument anyway... Only drawback: its wired... hard to dance with, but I am bound to my fader boxes anyway... I just got another AudioTechnica, one of those you put up on DJ consoles, for 10 Euros on the flee market... Stefan -- Stefan Tiedje------------x------- --_____-----------|-------------- --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()------- -- _|_)----|-----()-------------- ----------()--------www.ccmix.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 22 10:01:17 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 484723C037; Fri, 22 Jun 2007 10:01:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <467B9DE9.8000206@addcom.de> Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2007 12:01:13 +0200 From: Stefan Tiedje User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.4 (Macintosh/20070604) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Case against laptops References: <5.2.1.1.0.20070614095623.02c7b008@mail.onemodelplace.com> In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.0.20070614095623.02c7b008@mail.onemodelplace.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71536 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2007 10:01:17 +0000 (UTC) Cara Quinn schrieb: > As I'd mentioned yesterday, to me at least, it's not the equip that > matters, it's the expression / rapport. I think the idea of showmanship > is good, but if taken to the point of sacrificing the expression, you > essentially are back where you started?... yes?... > > So I personally think it just comes down to a balance... The > instruments and showmanship can both help a performer express / > communicate to an audience... I totally agree, most people who have a case "against" something don't know it, or only know it from bad performances. If you do music, all is about expression. Its how you interact with your instrument, be it picking strings, or moving foot pedals or tweaking knobs. The laptop itself is not the instrument, its HOW you control it. I don't see any difference between a horn player with a set of stomp box loopers, and a horn player with a foot pedal controlling a laptop. What in this scenario could be a case against laptops? By the way its not true, that laptop musicians could improve by adding some visuals, that's fake, and its not addressing the real problem. If you can't communicate with your audience, adding some visuals won't help. If its boring you should not blame the technology, blame the musician, the same is true the other way around, if its good and touching its not the instrument/gear which is involved, Its just by chance that this musician is using some stuff to express herself... Stefan -- Stefan Tiedje------------x------- --_____-----------|-------------- --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()------- -- _|_)----|-----()-------------- ----------()--------www.ccmix.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 22 10:02:24 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B51D83C03C; Fri, 22 Jun 2007 10:02:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <467B9E2D.2030702@addcom.de> Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2007 12:02:21 +0200 From: Stefan Tiedje User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.4 (Macintosh/20070604) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Laptops Hendrix References: <00c601c7aeb0$eea86940$0207a8c0@eluk1> In-Reply-To: <00c601c7aeb0$eea86940$0207a8c0@eluk1> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71537 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2007 10:02:24 +0000 (UTC) Stephen Goodman schrieb: > Actually after all of this thread's existence, I can indeed imagine > Hendrix using a laptop - one of those Sony's that lit itself on fire... > Perhaps some Photoshop is in order. :) Has nobody on the list come across "Frets on Fire" yet? My kids have a lot of fun with this fake, its clearly Hendrix inspired... Laptop musicians could play like Hendrix if they'd just get an extra external keyboard, and keyboard are really cheap enough to smash/burn them afterwards... ;-) Stefan -- Stefan Tiedje------------x------- --_____-----------|-------------- --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()------- -- _|_)----|-----()-------------- ----------()--------www.ccmix.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 22 10:02:51 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8ED4A3C03F; Fri, 22 Jun 2007 10:02:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <467B9E48.9030400@addcom.de> Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2007 12:02:48 +0200 From: Stefan Tiedje User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.4 (Macintosh/20070604) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Case against laptops References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <0bNktB.A.urG.L55eGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71538 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2007 10:02:51 +0000 (UTC) BreachinThePeace@aol.com schrieb: > I remember he sat up a roland pro v kit for the first time and had > the thing thoroughly programmed spec wise to the room we were in, > midi ins and outs & combined various kits in about 1 hour. I mean he > finished the manual right there. > > thing is, he could keep one beat and couldn't remember his changes in > that he had to STOP, mid song, and ask repeatedly, "how'd that go > again"? Did we meet before? I can't remember to have programmed a pro v kit, don't know if it would really take that long, but the rest would fit to me... ;-) Stefan -- Stefan Tiedje------------x------- --_____-----------|-------------- --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()------- -- _|_)----|-----()-------------- ----------()--------www.ccmix.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 22 10:03:00 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A424C3C048; Fri, 22 Jun 2007 10:03:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <467B9E51.3000405@addcom.de> Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2007 12:02:57 +0200 From: Stefan Tiedje User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.4 (Macintosh/20070604) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: laptops and performance References: <004b01c7af25$aa5beb70$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> In-Reply-To: <004b01c7af25$aa5beb70$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <8m9cgB.A.fuG.U55eGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71539 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2007 10:03:00 +0000 (UTC) RICK WALKER schrieb: > If the performance (and musician) is not so important and only the > music is, why will people NOT pay to go see a show where you just put > your latest recording on with a fantastic sound system? In France there is a well known festival/competition in Bourges dedicated mostly to pure tape music. (The term tape is used for completely prerecorded/produced in the studio). And at GRM they have a special loudspeaker orchestra to play this kind of music. In this case it will be mixed live, but the performer is not on stage and out of focus for the audience. This tradition exists since more than 50 years... I do like a lot of this music, but its not my "thing"... I am more interested in the connection between audience and musician, a very personal preference for my own stuff... Stefan -- Stefan Tiedje------------x------- --_____-----------|-------------- --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()------- -- _|_)----|-----()-------------- ----------()--------www.ccmix.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 22 10:03:09 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 529A93C043; Fri, 22 Jun 2007 10:03:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <467B9E5A.8000204@addcom.de> Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2007 12:03:06 +0200 From: Stefan Tiedje User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.4 (Macintosh/20070604) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: laptops and performance enhancement References: <20070615.063317.6913.0@webmail16.lax.untd.com> In-Reply-To: <20070615.063317.6913.0@webmail16.lax.untd.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71540 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2007 10:03:09 +0000 (UTC) stillllscary@netzero.net schrieb: > who cares about an audience if your having fun... You don't have to, because as soon you have fun, the audience will appreciate it, its shared... Or to take it the other way around: If you don't have fun, the audience will give a shit on what you're doin'... Stefan -- Stefan Tiedje------------x------- --_____-----------|-------------- --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()------- -- _|_)----|-----()-------------- ----------()--------www.ccmix.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 22 10:03:18 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 435593C04B; Fri, 22 Jun 2007 10:03:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <467B9E63.6060600@addcom.de> Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2007 12:03:15 +0200 From: Stefan Tiedje User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.4 (Macintosh/20070604) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: laptops and performance References: <004b01c7af25$aa5beb70$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> <4cf76a0b0706150916u3f0c9964ybbfa2c00866ad944@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <4cf76a0b0706150916u3f0c9964ybbfa2c00866ad944@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71541 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2007 10:03:18 +0000 (UTC) miles ward schrieb: > Still frustrated that there's no midi controller for tuba... In my laptop I have a Midi controler for anything, even for tubas... Stefan -- Stefan Tiedje------------x------- --_____-----------|-------------- --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()------- -- _|_)----|-----()-------------- ----------()--------www.ccmix.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 22 10:04:13 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B61373C045; Fri, 22 Jun 2007 10:04:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <467B9E9A.6080005@addcom.de> Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2007 12:04:10 +0200 From: Stefan Tiedje User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.4 (Macintosh/20070604) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: f.s. looperlative and eclipse References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <80KzoD.A.H4G.d65eGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71542 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2007 10:04:13 +0000 (UTC) Scott Drengsen schrieb: > I don't have much drive to play my music to other people and I'm much > happier focusing on martial arts.I have been inspired by your > evolution w/the laptop and who knows what the future holds. Aahhh martial arts... It's not that far away from music, maybe a lack of melody but certainly there is rhythm and harmony... Maybe that's what could get a piece, which is just in my head, come to life: I'd call it Basswords, two bass players sitting face to face and instead of swords playing a bass. They would do a sort of fight with the respect that is common in martial arts. But its not a fight against each other, its a fight on a different level... I'd attach some sensors to the basses, so they will send out information about their movement, each bass will influence the sound of the other, either with sound or with movement. The two players would do a kind of improvised dance inspired by the movement in martial arts... I am more into Aikido for its non-violent philosophy, but all martial arts do have a core to overcome violence, its like with instruments a matter of personal taste and history... I need some kicks to keep the idea alive, a bass player who is into martial arts, might be it... ;-) Maybe for next years Y2K8? I'd need to find some sponsors though, to get me over to the other side of the world... Stefan P.S. this would of course sum up as "laptop music"... ;-) By the way, I'd be interested in the Wishbass, the only part I could afford from your offers, I guess its gone though, and I don't know how to pass it to Europe safely and affordable... Stefan -- Stefan Tiedje------------x------- --_____-----------|-------------- --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()------- -- _|_)----|-----()-------------- ----------()--------www.ccmix.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 22 10:11:13 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 88A2F3C059; Fri, 22 Jun 2007 10:11:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <467BA03D.5070609@addcom.de> Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2007 12:11:09 +0200 From: Stefan Tiedje User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.4 (Macintosh/20070604) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Structure & Freedom (was 'more loops) References: <018101c7ae5e$a3891f60$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> <41a959800d26ee8e80b93a4d607f8eef@glasswing.com> In-Reply-To: <41a959800d26ee8e80b93a4d607f8eef@glasswing.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71543 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2007 10:11:13 +0000 (UTC) Richard Sales schrieb: > The problem I'm having with that is endings. I do those kinds of > pieces and float off into the Milky Way and can't figure out how to > get back down to earth and pull off any kind of ending other than > fade out. Yes, endings... Its the most difficult part for all music. It needs to be some kind of conclusion, like if you explain several minutes a thorough theme, with lots of details and stories and in the end find a sentence like: in short words its all about love! But if you hit the nail on the top with such a conclusion, you justify and nail all you did before. All of my good improvisations share one essential detail: a good end. Sometimes it just has to feel right, stop. anything had been said. point. These are the moments I am after... A fade out can be the best end as well, depends on the context... Stefan -- Stefan Tiedje------------x------- --_____-----------|-------------- --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()------- -- _|_)----|-----()-------------- ----------()--------www.ccmix.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 22 10:20:20 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8ECDB3C065; Fri, 22 Jun 2007 10:20:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=XNLnuKLKmvQkD1YnfpcdUSvIzr6GMEkZ556MJUTx1QCvvG0ydZ3BmGqfescnREwSWgij8dEMoi5QMYCQxdxaKDukJJtnaDxR9VabhT3P0kOZn7FIl+jvMK9WmEwRyvvCNE9MTvPh5NPO3yII/RXA3pLAEdRa024VvVRfg3Nnq6Y= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=ohzmXiw5qdA5+Ho1MyvEFVuNECMuTsHip/oUO0H5UUNTZCABr9PLWDDJ088XrB+Vt5VUbtLXZPo2M5VF+DFaDEWCmMAzWwCCcDf9o8iT3/nnDZG6SdMsf67uH6X7YAeoWnnAwftxAI8I6+PTkPPfQJCOurYky2/EVHwPcM0xo+Q= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <467B9E51.3000405@addcom.de> References: <004b01c7af25$aa5beb70$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> <467B9E51.3000405@addcom.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: laptops and performance Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2007 12:20:15 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71544 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2007 10:20:20 +0000 (UTC) > RICK WALKER schrieb: >> If the performance (and musician) is not so important and only the >> music is, why will people NOT pay to go see a show where you just put >> your latest recording on with a fantastic sound system? On 22 jun 2007, at 12.02, Stefan Tiedje wrote: > In France there is a well known festival/competition in Bourges > dedicated mostly to pure tape music. (The term tape is used for > completely prerecorded/produced in the studio). And at GRM they > have a special loudspeaker orchestra to play this kind of music. In > this case it will be mixed live, but the performer is not on stage > and out of focus for the audience. > This tradition exists since more than 50 years... That tradition is also alive in Sweden. I personally discovered it in 1980 and spent a lot of time traveling around here to catch up with "playback sessions" at any of those gorgeous sound systems. *The point is that the music was composed and produced for a dedicated system, surround or whatever, and then a festival assembles such a system to play it back to the audience. Even though it's possible to set up rather complex sound systems for live performance it is quite a different league when the music is carefully composed for the system. (Last year I was lucky to play improvised live looping over a 18 channel/speaker system that covered all four walls plus the ceiling. A collaborator used a Laptop with PD to run live distribution of frequency bands over the speaker channels) Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://www.myspace.com/looproom From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 22 10:40:22 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D8AA83C04C; Fri, 22 Jun 2007 10:40:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=LlNXGEPvPd0YADscjYmtG2e5zdrCP0KsHJ+t8QdcW1qU8XdjP8NFoXHl20hWW0RCS/cJN2oFB4gaoF9C0cLUlmFaXev0pcFlPW1nawrgUJIU2qtTyeTm5RR/0S7Ay+PcSwxp8jFmMO5cW5QAR4wnLHd+GSmtUuVBbRaMhOwkXXM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=X2ZTtxEnK+cCFgoNhfVOziEx25sWO59r753R7RZ7BjSaNwBM/H5fzgS7WbW6QWVph4MbPaqApLoEbeKaTaNWczvgA6hUt++o3J1si7L8VbDEpnHHXtxY78s56frmo7sf0g1RxoOzR0cbziDsfIkEiMvn75W/3edwfPo9vhkwUkQ= Message-ID: Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2007 12:40:20 +0200 From: "Raul Bonell" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: iFCB app for programming foot pedal In-Reply-To: <000c01c7b482$73f12480$1001a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <000c01c7b482$73f12480$1001a8c0@succubus> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71545 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2007 10:40:22 +0000 (UTC) 2007/6/22, Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill : > Hey Raul, > > the mother of all FCB editors: > > http://www.mtnsys.com/faq-fcb/PCEditorBeta.htm i used to do it the hard way... thanks rainer!. -- The Playing Orchestra: http://www.telefonica.net/web2/tpo Chain Tape Collective: http://www.ct-collective.com TPO at myspace: http://www.myspace.com/theplayingorchestra From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 22 10:56:23 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 740393C050; Fri, 22 Jun 2007 10:56:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Cloudmark-Score: 0.000000 [] Message-ID: <001f01c7b4bb$f7f23c40$4001a8c0@mini> From: "CV" To: References: <467B9E9A.6080005@addcom.de> Subject: Re: f.s. looperlative and eclipse Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2007 12:56:20 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71546 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2007 10:56:23 +0000 (UTC) Hey hey Here a guitarist very very into Taiji very close from playing, improvising, practicing, relaxing, interacting, meditating etc etc... same principles everywhere Claude PS: Yang style, yang sau chung - Chu king hung ligneage > Scott Drengsen schrieb: >> I don't have much drive to play my music to other people and I'm much >> happier focusing on martial arts.I have been inspired by your >> evolution w/the laptop and who knows what the future holds. > > Aahhh martial arts... > > It's not that far away from music, maybe a lack of melody but certainly > there is rhythm and harmony... > > Maybe that's what could get a piece, which is just in my head, come to > life: I'd call it Basswords, two bass players sitting face to face and > instead of swords playing a bass. They would do a sort of fight with the > respect that is common in martial arts. > But its not a fight against each other, its a fight on a different > level... > I'd attach some sensors to the basses, so they will send out information > about their movement, each bass will influence the sound of the other, > either with sound or with movement. The two players would do a kind of > improvised dance inspired by the movement in martial arts... > > I am more into Aikido for its non-violent philosophy, but all martial arts > do have a core to overcome violence, its like with instruments a matter of > personal taste and history... > > I need some kicks to keep the idea alive, a bass player who is into > martial arts, might be it... ;-) > > Maybe for next years Y2K8? I'd need to find some sponsors though, to get > me over to the other side of the world... > > Stefan > > P.S. this would of course sum up as "laptop music"... ;-) > > By the way, I'd be interested in the Wishbass, the only part I could > afford from your offers, I guess its gone though, and I don't know how to > pass it to Europe safely and affordable... > > Stefan > > -- > Stefan Tiedje------------x------- > --_____-----------|-------------- > --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()------- > -- _|_)----|-----()-------------- > ----------()--------www.ccmix.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 22 11:19:46 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 74A383C03C; Fri, 22 Jun 2007 11:19:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: <467B9D70.2070507@addcom.de> References: <467B9D70.2070507@addcom.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <3DA4735C-ADFC-4143-9549-0B8A43983077@bernhardwagner.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Bernhard Wagner LD Subject: Re: cooking music Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2007 13:19:36 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71547 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2007 11:19:46 +0000 (UTC) http://www.gemueseorchester.org http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Das_erste_Wiener_Gem%C3%BCseorchester On 22.06.2007, at 11:59, Stefan Tiedje wrote: > Unfortunately you can't do that for a lot of people, unless you put > up a big band of cooks, which could be fun as well... ;-) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 22 11:33:56 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D62173C056; Fri, 22 Jun 2007 11:33:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com In-Reply-To: <001f01c7b4bb$f7f23c40$4001a8c0@mini> References: <467B9E9A.6080005@addcom.de> <001f01c7b4bb$f7f23c40$4001a8c0@mini> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Bernhard Wagner LD Subject: guitarist into Taiji Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2007 13:33:47 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71548 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2007 11:33:56 +0000 (UTC) Hi Claude Free workshop on July 11th, 09:00 - 12:30 http://www.digitalartweeks.ethz.ch/web/DAW/Workshops07 This workshop sets out to study the relationship between the underlying benefits of Tai Chi and related Martial Arts and to find a relationship with Arts and Digital Arts. Qi energy flow as developed during Tai Chi has been studied by combining computer and motion sensor systems and studying teacher and practitioner movements. The workshop will start with describing the current research and explaining the traditional Chinese medicine explanation for sustainable health and well being through Qi flow. Then the theory and future embodiments of the research will be explained further using various Tai Chi and martial arts concepts and live experiments. A relationship will be postulated between the benefits of Qi flow for Martial Arts and how this could map directly to Arts and Digital Arts. Participants will be invited to actively particpate in various experiments and participate in discussions and conclusions. On 22.06.2007, at 12:56, CV wrote: > Hey hey > Here a guitarist very very into Taiji > very close from playing, improvising, practicing, relaxing, > interacting, meditating etc etc... > same principles everywhere From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 22 11:38:33 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 14EAA3C054; Fri, 22 Jun 2007 11:38:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <029b01c7b4c1$dc972810$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "RICK WALKER" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: Re: improvisation and performance Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2007 04:38:32 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.6 required=1.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,AWL,FAKE_REPLY_C, STOX_REPLY_TYPE,TVD_RCVD_SINGLE autolearn=disabled version=3.2.1 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.1 (2007-05-02) on mail.cruzio.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71549 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2007 11:38:32 +0000 (UTC) Stefan (in his fascinating post on improvisation and 'wrong' notes) said: "For instance I was struck by some bizarre momentary impulse while performing at BEMF with Rick Walker to use a Bob Marley loop. (My sister's husband is a huge fan and was at the show.) It completely stuck out and sounded just awkward and weird to me. In the past I would have just yanked it out and hoped that people forgot about it. Now instead I kept it there and did everything I could to make it work. Rick started singing along and it was a great surreal moment." Interesting that you mentioned that, Stefan. You completely threw me when you added that Marley loop, but I've found in improvisation that it is efficacious to use things that throw you...........whether it be completely unexpected turns that an improviser may make (like the Marley loop) or your gear suddenly throwing weird unexpected things at you (which seems to happen to me an inordinant amount of time). I've finally subscribed wholeheartedly to the 'when life gives you lemons, make lemonade' philosophy. In that particular case, I felt terribly awkward for just a few seconds when that Marley loop came on and then I decided, what would Bob sound like if he had been an experimental musician singing the same song..............I then totally got into going with it vocally, and sang "Stir It Up" like a maniac would (if a maniac was into Diamanda Galas or Meredith Monk.............lol). I actually had several people come up to me later and tell me that was a highlight of our set. It was shocking to hear it (I liked the melodic use of the blender I had just purchased at the thrift store across the street part myself.....................lol) but it was also very cool to hear that it had really connected with some of the audience..................especially as I didn't feel in control of the experience at all. Sometimes, though, those are some of the coolest moments in musical improv: when you aren't in control and you are just trying to be sensitive to the vibe of 'what is'. Unusual lemonade, but lemonade, nonetheless. Thanks, Stefan for feeding that offbeat piece of music in our set. gratefully yours, Rick From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 22 12:04:34 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A44293C045; Fri, 22 Jun 2007 12:04:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-SBRS: None X-SenderGroup: RELAYLIST X-MailFlowPolicy: $RELAYED X-MID: 616576106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: mistakes Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2007 13:04:30 +0100 Message-ID: <1BB076E4C332F9469148F41725F17A7203D48A9B@MTVNE-EXCLUST02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: mistakes Thread-Index: Ace0xX1Er3QEVw5uQa6k7EbesipcFg== References: From: "Goddard, Duncan" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Jun 2007 12:04:31.0037 (UTC) FILETIME=[7D7ED6D0:01C7B4C5] Resent-Message-ID:

http://www.vd= b.org/smackn.acgi$artistdetail?LANDRYR

'In his performances of the = 1970s, Landry pioneered the use of a quadraphonic delay system that = allowed him to perform as a live quintet from his solo performance, = combining his voice with four time-delayed repeats.=A0As a founding member of the Phillip Glass Ensemble, he was = active in the experimental music movement of the '70s and early = '80s.'

'"I became involved with = sound/image experimentation with Keith Sonnier. The tapes deal with the = source of the sound: the lips, the hands, the instrument = itself."=A0

=97Richard = Landry'

=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D

http:/= /www.room609.com/films/promisedland/the_players.html

Mr. Richard Landry

Jazzman=A0Dickie = Landry plays his =ECown kind=EE of sax. When Dickie has to = play he has to play and people such as Bob Dylan, Mick Jagger, Paul = Simon, The Phillip Glass Ensemble, Laurie Anderson and The Talking Heads = have reaped the rewards of his unique styling. He is = also considered a pioneer of conceptual art and installations, having = worked with Richard Serra, Gordon Matte-Clark and Rauschenberg in the = early 60s.

Born in = Cecelia, Louisiana, Dickie is still revered there as the man who can do = it all and fix any problem. At 68 years old he is rarely seen on = any given night without his sax, wandering the Lafayette streets and = sitting in with everyone. He plays saxophone for Lil=ED Band O=ED = Gold.=A0

http://blog.oup.com/= 2007/01/the_oscar_nomin/

'In the process the Philip Glass Ensemble was established: = Gibson was joined in the wind section by Dickie Landry, Richard Peck, = Jack Kripl and Richard Prado; later keyboard players included Steve = Chambers and Michael Riesman, who was also to conduct many of Glass=92s = works.=A0'

On 6/21/07, Rev = Fever <revfever@ubergadget.com> = wrote:
A shot in the dark here, I realize, but back in the very 80's = (or
even late 70's?) in Austin Texas, there was an interesting = musician
who was a sax player
=A0=A0and who did these LONG sax = jams a la loops (and?).

I am trying to remember this guy's name = after MANY years, and keeping
drawing a blank.
I think(?) his = first name was either Richard or Dickey, (OR...?) but
I don't = remember now?

The other "interesting" thing about him was that he = got sent to
prison for marijuana, for mere possession or sales, I = have no idea,
but I DO know that the laws for ANY weed involvement = there were HARSH
and the sentences could very potentially be VERY = LONG.
But that is another subject entirely and I do not wish to get = into.

I just want to know more about him and what became of him = and / or if
there is anything about on the web (OR...?), or if any = recordings he
did survive,etc?

Thanx!

-Rev = Fever

= --Apple-Mail-3-223110279-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 22 19:42:04 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 43FD93C055; Fri, 22 Jun 2007 19:42:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <467C2604.6060600@mhorse.com> Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2007 14:41:56 -0500 From: Daryl Shawn User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.12 (Windows/20070509) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: unexpected gear behavior References: <20070622184555.7E6483C06B@arsenic.violacea.com> In-Reply-To: <20070622184555.7E6483C06B@arsenic.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71572 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2007 19:42:04 +0000 (UTC) This is one of the biggest reasons why I continue to enjoy using a cassette machine for looping, in spite of its obvious limitations. When I click off my punch-in pedal, I only have a vague idea what I'm going to get. The length of the loop is fixed, and there is no kind of click track, so a perfectly rhythmic loop is almost impossible. I often distress the tape stock, so when the playback starts there may or may not be wow and flutter, dropouts, distortion, etc. Also, I change tape speeds frequently while recording, so the pitch will also change in a fashion which is very hard to predict when combined with the lag of the machine's motor. It's very easy to introduce the unexpected into this system, it seems part and parcel of the whole package. Every now and then I'll try out a digital looper in stores, and when I play something and hear it back, I'm so disappointed when it sounds exactly like what went into it! BTW, thanks for posting our schedule for the Chinapainting show, Jim. Hope some folks can make it out to see us. Daryl Shawn www.swanwelder.com www.chinapaintingmusic.com > There is a distinct charm in gear doing unexpected things, and a few methods to create them: > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 22 19:43:59 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E8DA73C07E; Fri, 22 Jun 2007 19:43:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: midifriedchicken@comcast.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com (Loopers Delight) Subject: Zappa, and homework for the weekend. Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2007 19:43:58 +0000 Message-Id: <062220071943.13610.467C267E000272290000352A2216551406020A050C07080C0B0A079D00070B0703@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Oct 4 2006) X-Authenticated-Sender: bWlkaWZyaWVkY2hpY2tlbkBjb21jYXN0Lm5ldA== MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_13610_1182541438_0" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71573 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2007 19:43:59 +0000 (UTC) --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_13610_1182541438_0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit This morning while paying bills and cleaning the house, and I put on "You Can't Do That On Stage Anymore Volume II' The Helsinki Concert". Now THAT was a band. Ruth, George, Napoleoen et. al. were killing it that night. That concert was at the end of the same tour as the Fillmore album. I guess they were bored because every tune was very fast. I sometimes forget why I play music, then I hear a performance like that, and it clears my head. So, for the good of all your loopy heads, I want all of you to listen to a Frank Zappa album this weekend, or maybe just a song, or check out all the great old videos on YouTube. Report back on Monday with what you listened to and your impressions of said music. It will be good for you. Yours in music, MFC --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_13610_1182541438_0 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit

This morning while paying bills and cleaning the house, and I put on "You Can't Do That On Stage Anymore Volume II' The Helsinki Concert". Now THAT was a band. Ruth, George, Napoleoen et. al. were killing it that night. That concert was at the end of the same tour as the Fillmore album. I guess they were bored because every tune was very fast.

I sometimes forget why I play music, then I hear a performance like that, and it clears my head.

So, for the good of all your loopy heads, I want all of you to listen to a Frank Zappa album this weekend, or maybe just a song, or check out all the great old videos on YouTube. Report back on Monday with what you listened to and your impressions of said music. It will be good for you.

Yours in music,

MFC

--NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_13610_1182541438_0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 22 19:51:43 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AAE6A3C088; Fri, 22 Jun 2007 19:51:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=K/fcF9kUb92YyCInK/hRuAdXXCmLu1x+caVPg2W5+d2cTDURYe6d18zKP1AzSPqaKnRIz1UrVVX0Sgi8KsSw8oWAI1LQbT7ip3ipSiM9FBTXGcBVtQl2zpSmP6nLCDIwet+H3I4RZcBbHirZacbFPbZX9p6ADVLOA11GUDmT6BQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=ml3NQeG16lRs+ycFn16f8yJLmvRj5CaMhSjrSMFTYEVIkFNgQM4fAH9ixZ8iXbOJMX/n41gSa454t7Nj6FraXLLaFnjQTAssKUP4PYBAlnwp7QsnqhkgMsoZZfsSt7Ek1SCy+Bo1am7ux3EoKOD47PABHFlKOaEKXSPJOdcODzc= Message-ID: Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2007 12:51:40 -0700 From: "Michael Billow" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Really OBSCURE inquiry ( I FOUND IT! ) In-Reply-To: <751D7C40-8D5A-4411-834C-7721EBFE5C75@ubergadget.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_121022_4375680.1182541900850" References: <588ce11d0706212333i5bf9141j18ebce0f14b44b93@mail.gmail.com> <751D7C40-8D5A-4411-834C-7721EBFE5C75@ubergadget.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71574 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2007 19:51:43 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_121022_4375680.1182541900850 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline You know I was gonna SAY Richard Landry, but I never knew that he toured th= e country in his pinto and thought you must be talking about somebody else. H= e toured with Laurie Anderson in the 80s. Check out her concert movie "Home O= f The Brave". On 6/22/07, Rev Fever wrote: > > FINALLY, I FOUND IT! RICHARD LANDRY is his name! Also known as Dickie > Landry, > > Here are some snipped tidbits about him that I also located. There is mor= e > about his astounding career than I had realized. Enjoy! > > OK. I can SLEEP now....! :-) > > -Rev. Fever > > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > > http://www.vdb.org/smackn.acgi$artistdetail?LANDRYR > > 'In his performances of the 1970s, Landry pioneered the use of a > quadraphonic delay system that allowed him to perform as a live quintet > from his solo performance, combining his voice with four time-delayed > repeats. As a founding member of the Phillip Glass Ensemble, he was activ= e > in the experimental music movement of the '70s and early '80s.' > > '"I became involved with sound/image experimentation with Keith Sonnier. > The tapes deal with the source of the sound: the lips, the hands, the > instrument itself." > =97Richard Landry' > > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > > http://www.room609.com/films/promisedland/the_players.html > *Mr. Richard Landry* > > Jazzman *Dickie Landry* plays his =ECown kind=EE of sax. When Dickie has = to > play he has to play and *people such as Bob Dylan, Mick Jagger, Paul > Simon, The Phillip Glass Ensemble, Laurie Anderson and The Talking Heads = *have > reaped the rewards of his unique styling. He is also considered a pioneer > of conceptual art and installations, having worked with Richard Serra, > Gordon Matte-Clark and Rauschenberg in the early 60s. > > Born in Cecelia, Louisiana, Dickie is still revered there as the man who > can do it all and fix any problem. At 68 years old he is rarely seen on > any given night without his sax, wandering the Lafayette streets and sitt= ing > in with everyone. He plays saxophone for Lil=ED Band O=ED Gold. > > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > > http://blog.oup.com/2007/01/the_oscar_nomin/ > 'In the process the Philip Glass Ensemble was established: Gibson was > joined in the wind section by Dickie Landry, Richard Peck, Jack Kripl and > Richard Prado; later keyboard players included Steve Chambers and Michael > Riesman, who was also to conduct many of Glass's works. ' > > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > > > > On 6/21/07, Rev Fever wrote: > > > > A shot in the dark here, I realize, but back in the very 80's (or > > even late 70's?) in Austin Texas, there was an interesting musician > > who was a sax player > > and who did these LONG sax jams a la loops (and?). > > > > I am trying to remember this guy's name after MANY years, and keeping > > drawing a blank. > > I think(?) his first name was either Richard or Dickey, (OR...?) but > > I don't remember now? > > > > The other "interesting" thing about him was that he got sent to > > prison for marijuana, for mere possession or sales, I have no idea, > > but I DO know that the laws for ANY weed involvement there were HARSH > > and the sentences could very potentially be VERY LONG. > > But that is another subject entirely and I do not wish to get into. > > > > I just want to know more about him and what became of him and / or if > > there is anything about on the web (OR...?), or if any recordings he > > did survive,etc? > > > > Thanx! > > > > -Rev Fever > > > > > ------=_Part_121022_4375680.1182541900850 Content-Type: text/html; charset=WINDOWS-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline You know I was gonna SAY Richard Landry, but I never knew that he toured th= e country in his pinto and thought you must be talking about somebody else.= He toured with Laurie Anderson in the 80s. Check out her concert movie &qu= ot;Home Of The Brave".

On 6/22/07, Rev Fever <revfev= er@ubergadget.com> wrote:

FINALLY, I FOUND IT! RICHARD LANDRY is his= name! Also known as Dickie Landry,

Here are= some snipped tidbits about him that I also located. There is more about hi= s astounding career than I had realized. Enjoy!

OK. I can SLEEP now....! :-)

=
-Rev. Fever

=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D

http://www.vdb.org/smackn.acg= i$artistdetail?LANDRYR

'In his performances of the 1970s, Landry pioneered the use of a quadraphonic delay system that allowed him to= perform as a live quintet from his solo performance, combining his voice w= ith four time-delayed repeats. As a founding member of the Phillip Glass Ensemble, he was active in the = experimental music movement of the '70s and early '80s.'=

'"I became involved wit= h sound/image experimentation with Keith Sonnier. The tapes deal with the s= ource of the sound: the lips, the hands, the instrument itself."
=97Ric= hard Landry'

=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D

http://www.room609.com/films= /promisedland/the_players.html
Mr. Richard Landry

Jazzman Dickie Landry plays his =ECown kind=EE of sax. When Dickie has to play he h= as to play and=20 people such as Bob Dylan, Mick Jagger, Paul Simon, The Phillip Glass Ens= emble, Laurie Anderson and The Talking Heads have reaped the rewards of= his unique styling. He is also= considered a pioneer of conceptual art and installations, having worked wi= th Richard Serra, Gordon Matte-Clark and Rauschenberg in the early 60s.

<= font face=3D"Trebuchet MS" size=3D"3"> Born in Cecelia, Louisiana, Dickie is still revered there as the man who ca= n do it all and fix any problem. At 68 years old he is rarely seen on any given night without his sax, wan= dering the Lafayette streets and sitting in with everyone. He plays saxophone for Lil=ED Band O=ED Gold.<= font face=3D"Trebuchet MS" size=3D"3">

=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D

http://blog.oup.com/2007/01/the_oscar_nomin/
'In the process the Philip Glass Ensemble was established: Gi= bson was joined in the wind section by Dickie Landry, Richard Peck, Jack Kr= ipl and Richard Prado; later keyboard players included Steve Chambers and M= ichael Riesman, who was also to conduct many of Glass's works. '

=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D

On 6/21/07, Rev Fever < revfever@ubergadget.com> wrote:
A shot in the dark here, I realize, but back i= n the very 80's (or
even late 70's?) in Austin Texas, there was an interesting musician=
who was a sax player
and who did these LONG sax jams a l= a loops (and?).

I am trying to remember this guy's name after M= ANY years, and keeping
drawing a blank.
I think(?) his first name was either Richard or Dic= key, (OR...?) but
I don't remember now?

The other "inter= esting" thing about him was that he got sent to
prison for marijua= na, for mere possession or sales, I have no idea,
but I DO know that the laws for ANY weed involvement there were HARSHand the sentences could very potentially be VERY LONG.
But that is ano= ther subject entirely and I do not wish to get into.

I just want to= know more about him and what became of him and / or if
there is anything about on the web (OR...?), or if any recordings hedid survive,etc?

Thanx!

-Rev Fever

------=_Part_121022_4375680.1182541900850-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 22 20:09:16 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A1D7A3C087; Fri, 22 Jun 2007 20:09:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: References:

Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <23BE1BB0-92FE-47AF-A231-EC55C0DC48AB@infinivert.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Josh Carroll Subject: Re: iFCB app for programming foot pedal Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2007 15:09:13 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - chara.lunarpages.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - infinivert.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71575 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2007 20:09:16 +0000 (UTC) I don't remember what it was called (don't have my PC anymore), but I got it through the FCB Yahoo group. --Josh On Jun 21, 2007, at 10:35 PM, Raul Bonell wrote: > 2007/6/22, Josh Carroll : >> Thanks Zoe! I had used a similar utility on PC, but was looking for >> something else now that I have a Mac. > > hi josh , > > may you tell us which pc utility ? > > thanx, > > Raul. > > > -- > The Playing Orchestra: http://www.telefonica.net/web2/tpo > Chain Tape Collective: http://www.ct-collective.com > TPO at myspace: http://www.myspace.com/theplayingorchestra > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 22 20:12:34 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 02E783C08E; Fri, 22 Jun 2007 20:12:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <467C2CAE.5070007@speakeasy.net> Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2007 13:10:22 -0700 From: Dennis Montgomery User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.1) Gecko/20040707 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Zappa, and homework for the weekend. References: <20070622195144.2B1EA3C086@arsenic.violacea.com> In-Reply-To: <20070622195144.2B1EA3C086@arsenic.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71576 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2007 20:12:33 +0000 (UTC) I've had the absolute week from hell and I put on my old Zappa '81 Halloween in NY video to watch with lunch. Tough to worry about bills/money/crazy stuff watching FZ. The Helsinki band and the '81 band with "Stevie Vai" are my 2 fave Zappa road gangs. Arf >This morning while paying bills and cleaning the house, and I put on "You Can't Do That On Stage Anymore Volume II' The Helsinki Concert". Now THAT was a band. Ruth, George, Napoleoen et. al. were killing it that night. That concert was at the end of the same tour as the Fillmore album. I guess they were bored because every tune was very fast. >I sometimes forget why I play music, then I hear a performance like that, and it clears my head. > >So, for the good of all your loopy heads, I want all of you to listen to a Frank Zappa album this weekend, or maybe just a song, or check out all the great old videos on YouTube. Report back on Monday with what you listened to and your impressions of said music. It will be good for you. > >Yours in music, >MFC > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 22 20:30:30 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9A27F3C081; Fri, 22 Jun 2007 20:30:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <00a501c7b50c$607f9f00$19b2a8c0@netzrechner> Reply-To: "Tilmann Dehnhard" From: "Tilmann Dehnhard" To: References: <20070622195144.2B1EA3C086@arsenic.violacea.com> <467C2CAE.5070007@speakeasy.net> Subject: Re: Zappa, and homework for the weekend. Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2007 22:31:54 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="Windows-1252"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX19qyuN99zu6+qy40HoVuse8E+EpcVty9tm3djo siiXfSU/gU48Cg8AD2INcm8SlQhtoLQ4QqiY/VhzNC0FZkQh+B ShFCAZAvJUhmy6apuvjJEp6bdk4HIeC Resent-Message-ID: <9bI8SB.A.2SD.mFDfGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71577 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2007 20:30:30 +0000 (UTC) a few days ago i watched a sweet little documentary about zappa on youtube. some young austrian journalist started their first interview before a concert with the question "why did you come to the concert in a cadillac?". this starts a zappa-rant on life and bad interview questions. after the concert, zappa convinces the boys about the cadillac thing by letting them drive the cadillac - and they loved it. zappa took over the filming: he staged a scene ending with a band member spanking journalist rudi with a frying pan ("one time for each year of your miserable life"). pure zappaesque joy! here it is: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pYTh1UgNHJg&mode=related&search= smooth looping - tilmann ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dennis Montgomery" To: Sent: Friday, June 22, 2007 10:10 PM Subject: Re: Zappa, and homework for the weekend. > > I've had the absolute week from hell and I put on my old Zappa '81 > Halloween in NY video to watch with lunch. Tough to worry about > bills/money/crazy stuff watching FZ. The Helsinki band and the '81 band > with "Stevie Vai" are my 2 fave Zappa road gangs. > > Arf > >>This morning while paying bills and cleaning the house, and I put on "You >>Can't Do That On Stage Anymore Volume II' The Helsinki Concert". Now THAT >>was a band. Ruth, George, Napoleoen et. al. were killing it that night. >>That concert was at the end of the same tour as the Fillmore album. I >>guess they were bored because every tune was very fast. >>I sometimes forget why I play music, then I hear a performance like that, >>and it clears my head. >>So, for the good of all your loopy heads, I want all of you to listen to a >>Frank Zappa album this weekend, or maybe just a song, or check out all the >>great old videos on YouTube. Report back on Monday with what you listened >>to and your impressions of said music. It will be good for you. >>Yours in music, >>MFC >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 22 21:05:03 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7B2143C075; Fri, 22 Jun 2007 21:05:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=CDZx0yO7Sy8cZejcVySYNRUWjDYTKTFa4ySle4xf/+bdsFqOV0h7vlQ2pVdJf9lKPnR1Zn4AFK24jQDbXyW1787Co8dvqL11CYeYtQTPVrrnOLlFX1qj7+oE9iCLNcJTz23HeguO2mj2FaYovP4RYYm11R/DBSwC6vUkfoVl+gE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=qdNQCXPFvemCn6u8mG/bjOazq3kfJQw1iKQ8mm+hsdd1yibwZmZzzC5rbwz/b/zTV7ZI8iREl88mgMZJGYsEIKMtmGlXqF2F1G/3FZKaPLQ+wMT0qsacPCLiFbTIb0nXzCOrxBT2uLqBF5r98CHXY8gHyU6Xkhxz7foWsy/vfFg= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <4cf76a0b0706221145q5e254a5eicca160871930c636@mail.gmail.com> References: <018101c7ae5e$a3891f60$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> <41a959800d26ee8e80b93a4d607f8eef@glasswing.com> <467BA03D.5070609@addcom.de> <4cf76a0b0706221145q5e254a5eicca160871930c636@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <73C242C0-7D86-44F9-A5BB-E50E75BC2E01@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Structure & Freedom (was 'more loops) Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2007 23:04:58 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: <6rVkDC.A.bLF.-lDfGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71578 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2007 21:05:03 +0000 (UTC) On 22 jun 2007, at 20.45, miles ward wrote: > What have other folks on the list used musically as indicators of > "time to return to the mothership" like James Brown did calling out > "take me to the bridge!" only more subtle maybe? on stage > communication is what i'm trying to figure out, while you're buried in > the jam... > -Miles When playing with non-looping bands we have just been using any kind of sign agreed on - like one finger in the air, two fingers etc, a key person landing after a high jump etc etc. When doing solo live- looping improvisational concerts it's way more easy because you can simply copy a "well structured" loop into a new loop position and start hacking it up with your playing. After your trip to outer space you return to the mother ship by going back to the original loop. I don't remember the detailed method for other loopers but with Mobius you go "Next Loop" and during the Lame Duck Period (before the commanded action is happening at the end of the cycle) you hit "Multiply" (I think... damn! I just forgot it... eventually it is "Overdub", I use to try out that manoeuver before gigs to make sure I have it correctly). I think that trick is possible with the EDP as well. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 22 21:48:44 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C87023C081; Fri, 22 Jun 2007 21:48:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <4cf76a0b0706221145q5e254a5eicca160871930c636@mail.gmail.com> References: <018101c7ae5e$a3891f60$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> <41a959800d26ee8e80b93a4d607f8eef@glasswing.com> <467BA03D.5070609@addcom.de> <4cf76a0b0706221145q5e254a5eicca160871930c636@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1-230772585 Message-Id: <99ca378246e3b020c35cf4cb1a0e3986@glasswing.com> From: Richard Sales Subject: Re: Structure & Freedom (was 'more loops) Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2007 14:48:39 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71579 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2007 21:48:44 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-1-230772585 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Miles and all The usual way back into the structure is via a pre defined doorway. When lead player or whoever goes into Riff Z, the band knows it's X bars to the next section. It can be the lead player, drummer etc, but usually whoever is playing the lead. Once bands get very refined and developed the lauguage. this silent (to the audience) communication can be almost second nature. Of course, jazz guys have this down to deep science. richard sales glassWing farm and studio vancouver island, b.c. 800.545.6846 250.752.4816 www.glassWing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com On 22-Jun-07, at 11:45 AM, miles ward wrote: > Uber nerd!! ha! i'm just a dorky kid in the corner with his tuba > making silly noises. > However, I think the idea of floating insanity breaks inside of > structured songs is the way.. allows you to go nuts, but find a path > back to the golden land... I have some things to show you ricardisto > on the new lappy that are lucious! > > What have other folks on the list used musically as indicators of > "time to return to the mothership" like James Brown did calling out > "take me to the bridge!" only more subtle maybe? on stage > communication is what i'm trying to figure out, while you're buried in > the jam... > -Miles > > On 6/22/07, Stefan Tiedje wrote: >> Richard Sales schrieb: >> > The problem I'm having with that is endings. I do those kinds of >> > pieces and float off into the Milky Way and can't figure out how to >> > get back down to earth and pull off any kind of ending other than >> > fade out. >> >> Yes, endings... Its the most difficult part for all music. It needs to >> be some kind of conclusion, like if you explain several minutes a >> thorough theme, with lots of details and stories and in the end find a >> sentence like: in short words its all about love! >> But if you hit the nail on the top with such a conclusion, you justify >> and nail all you did before. All of my good improvisations share one >> essential detail: a good end. Sometimes it just has to feel right, >> stop. >> anything had been said. point. >> These are the moments I am after... >> A fade out can be the best end as well, depends on the context... >> >> Stefan >> >> -- >> Stefan Tiedje------------x------- >> --_____-----------|-------------- >> --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()------- >> -- _|_)----|-----()-------------- >> ----------()--------www.ccmix.com >> >> > > > -- > ---Miles Ward > --Apple-Mail-1-230772585 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=US-ASCII Miles and all The usual way back into the structure is via a pre defined doorway. When lead player or whoever goes into Riff Z, the band knows it's X bars to the next section. It can be the lead player, drummer etc, but usually whoever is playing the lead. Once bands get very refined and developed the lauguage. this silent (to the audience) communication can be almost second nature. Of course, jazz guys have this down to deep science. Gadgetrichard sales 7373,7F7F,C5C5glassWing farm and studio vancouver island, b.c. 800.545.6846 250.752.4816C3C3,9696,1C1C www.glassWing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com On 22-Jun-07, at 11:45 AM, miles ward wrote: Uber nerd!! ha! i'm just a dorky kid in the corner with his tuba making silly noises. However, I think the idea of floating insanity breaks inside of structured songs is the way.. allows you to go nuts, but find a path back to the golden land... I have some things to show you ricardisto on the new lappy that are lucious! What have other folks on the list used musically as indicators of "time to return to the mothership" like James Brown did calling out "take me to the bridge!" only more subtle maybe? on stage communication is what i'm trying to figure out, while you're buried in the jam... -Miles On 6/22/07, Stefan Tiedje < wrote: Richard Sales schrieb: > The problem I'm having with that is endings. I do those kinds of > pieces and float off into the Milky Way and can't figure out how to > get back down to earth and pull off any kind of ending other than > fade out. Yes, endings... Its the most difficult part for all music. It needs to be some kind of conclusion, like if you explain several minutes a thorough theme, with lots of details and stories and in the end find a sentence like: in short words its all about love! But if you hit the nail on the top with such a conclusion, you justify and nail all you did before. All of my good improvisations share one essential detail: a good end. Sometimes it just has to feel right, stop. anything had been said. point. These are the moments I am after... A fade out can be the best end as well, depends on the context... Stefan -- Stefan Tiedje------------x------- --_____-----------|-------------- --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()------- -- _|_)----|-----()-------------- ----------()--------www.ccmix.com -- ---Miles Ward --Apple-Mail-1-230772585-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 22 22:04:48 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4FDEE3C079; Fri, 22 Jun 2007 22:04:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <02d601c7b519$57a01fb0$9db1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <00b401c7b435$7f05a050$9db1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Subject: Re: New Videos (Google collection, BEMF2 of me and Lumper-Splitter, etc) Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2007 16:04:43 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_02D3_01C7B4E7.0C3BD000" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71580 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2007 22:04:48 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_02D3_01C7B4E7.0C3BD000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable This is the last 2nd Boise Experimental Music Festival video of me with = someone else, this time Robert Sterling on electronic percussion & = electronics, me on voice, laptop, et. Google: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3D2417660101022763927 Box.net: http://www.box.net/shared/qilngvnzte or = http://www.box.net/shared/static/qilngvnzte.wmv More info on all my looping videos here: = http://www.krispenhartung.com/looping-videos.htm Cheers, Kris ----- Original Message -----=20 Hello, hello -=20 Here is an update on my published real-time looping videos. First, all of them are now on Google, all 8 of them: = http://video.google.com/videosearch?q=3DKrispen+Hartung Second, I just finalized the video of me and Lumper-Splitter from = Oakland, CA (Joe Rut and Lucio Menegon) performing at the 2nd Annual = Boise Experimental Music Festival.=20 I really like this video, first because I have always enjoyed the = natural and creative improvisational energy of Joe and Lucio; and = second, because I think our performnace had some interesting sections, = call and response, dynamics, and a subtle and playful reference to = Lumper-Splitter's "Hello, Hello" performance last year. It's also my = first vocal only performance.=20 Check it out...let's call it "Goodbye, Goodbye": Google: = http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3D3175298311949657066&hl=3Den Box.net: http://www.box.net/shared/zfb5jmhsqe or = http://www.box.net/shared/static/zfb5jmhsqe.wmv It's me with just vocals and laptop (mainly Reaktor and some MAX = generated VST effects), Joe on guitar, found sound, and elecronics; and = Lucio on guitar, found sound, and electronics.=20 I hope you enjoy it! Kris = *************************************************************************= * Krispen Hartung www.krispenhartung.com / www.myspace.com/krispenhartung info@krispenhartung.com Discography - http://www.krispenhartung.com/catalogue.htm CD Baby Discography: http://cdbaby.com/all/khartung ------=_NextPart_000_02D3_01C7B4E7.0C3BD000 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

This is the last 2nd Boise Experimental = Music=20 Festival video of me with someone else, this time Robert Sterling = on=20 electronic percussion & electronics, me on voice, laptop,=20 et.

Google: ht= tp://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3D2417660101022763927

Box.net: http://www.box.net/shared/q= ilngvnzte or=20 http://www.box.n= et/shared/static/qilngvnzte.wmv

More info on all my looping videos = here: http://www.kris= penhartung.com/looping-videos.htm

Cheers,

Kris

----- Original Message -----

Hello, hello -

Here is an update on my = published real-time=20 looping videos.

First, all of them are now on Google, = all 8=20 of them: http://v= ideo.google.com/videosearch?q=3DKrispen+Hartung

Second, I just finalized the video of = me and=20 Lumper-Splitter from Oakland, CA (Joe Rut and = Lucio=20 Menegon) performing at the 2nd Annual Boise Experimental Music = Festival.

I really like this video, first = because I have=20 always enjoyed the natural and creative improvisational energy of Joe = and=20 Lucio; and second, because I think our performnace had some = interesting=20 sections, call and response, dynamics, and a subtle and playful = reference to=20 Lumper-Splitter's "Hello, Hello" performance last year. It's also my = first=20 vocal only performance.

Check it out...let's call it = "Goodbye,=20 Goodbye":

Google: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3D3175298311949657066&a= mp;hl=3Den

Box.net: http://www.box.net/shared/z= fb5jmhsqe or=20 http://www.box.n= et/shared/static/zfb5jmhsqe.wmv

It's me with just vocals and laptop = (mainly=20 Reaktor and some MAX generated VST effects), Joe on guitar, found = sound, and=20 elecronics; and Lucio on guitar, found sound, and electronics. =

I hope you enjoy it!

Kris

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------=_NextPart_000_02D3_01C7B4E7.0C3BD000-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 22 22:44:32 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1B1CA3C075; Fri, 22 Jun 2007 22:44:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <062220071943.13610.467C267E000272290000352A2216551406020A050C07080C0B0A079D00070B0703@comcast.net> References: <062220071943.13610.467C267E000272290000352A2216551406020A050C07080C0B0A079D00070B0703@comcast.net> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-13-234283812 Message-Id: <45CA8CFA-7C10-4525-A1A9-D277A920D331@jamesrichmond.com> From: James Richmond Subject: Re: Zappa, and homework for the weekend. Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2007 18:47:10 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71581 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2007 22:44:32 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-13-234283812 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed > This morning while paying bills and cleaning the house, and I put > on "You Can't Do That On Stage Anymore Volume II' The Helsinki > Concert". Now THAT was a band. Ruth, George, Napoleoen et. al. were > killing it that night. That concert was at the end of the same tour > as the Fillmore album. I guess they were bored because every tune > was very fast. > I sometimes forget why I play music, then I hear a performance like > that, and it clears my head. For my money "Roxy and Elsewhere" is still one of the best sounding Zappa recordings. Jim --Apple-Mail-13-234283812 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1

This morning = while paying bills and cleaning the house, and I put on "You Can't Do = That On Stage Anymore Volume II' The Helsinki Concert". Now THAT was a = band. Ruth, George, Napoleoen et. al. were=A0=A0i= t that night. That concert was at the end of the same tour as the = Fillmore album. I guess they were bored because every tune was very = fast.
I sometimes forget why I play music, then I hear a = performance like that, and it clears my = head.

For my money "Roxy and = Elsewhere" is still one of the best sounding Zappa = recordings.

Jim
= --Apple-Mail-13-234283812-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 22 22:47:09 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3C0C53C084; Fri, 22 Jun 2007 22:47:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=Fu03SW9Nz8nLbOOfQTT8tA9QS4acFTzc1lnhi3YHNlGsSq+2NXJt3SykXgdkw57RQ0kYTsQYcRk8Y5K1+qNCTqOfdUW0hYcjOY4HA5AEK0l2bt8TimgWtgzODRZQMmtpjGMuU2Of0OgZMUymmQVlThnyG6GioPhqEowa5LCsuXM=; X-YMail-OSG: 75sxk_AVM1mSCNs.OE8ug82zbWdOSKZ33EmVYm1fecDA92ZrBPBfOUxkuhhaxuGw3A-- Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2007 15:47:06 -0700 (PDT) From: bill bigrig Subject: RE: unexpected gear behavior To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <467C2604.6060600@mhorse.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <775877.1464.qm@web32714.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71582 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2007 22:47:09 +0000 (UTC) Howdy, WOW! What a concept!!!!I have 3 Ibanez Dm-1100s and a digitech 720 and I just use those to get loops going. my Roland RE-201 is fun too, but tape degredation, you know. I NEVER thought of using a tape loop in a cassette machine. WOW!!! Rig --- Daryl Shawn wrote: > This is one of the biggest reasons why I continue to > enjoy using a > cassette machine for looping, in spite of its > obvious limitations. When > I click off my punch-in pedal, I only have a vague > idea what I'm going > to get. The length of the loop is fixed, and there > is no kind of click > track, so a perfectly rhythmic loop is almost > impossible. I often > distress the tape stock, so when the playback starts > there may or may > not be wow and flutter, dropouts, distortion, etc. > Also, I change tape > speeds frequently while recording, so the pitch will > also change in a > fashion which is very hard to predict when combined > with the lag of the > machine's motor. It's very easy to introduce the > unexpected into this > system, it seems part and parcel of the whole > package. > > Every now and then I'll try out a digital looper in > stores, and when I > play something and hear it back, I'm so disappointed > when it sounds > exactly like what went into it! > > BTW, thanks for posting our schedule for the > Chinapainting show, Jim. > Hope some folks can make it out to see us. > > Daryl Shawn > www.swanwelder.com > www.chinapaintingmusic.com > > > There is a distinct charm in gear doing unexpected > things, and a few methods to create them: > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Expecting? Get great news right away with email Auto-Check. Try the Yahoo! Mail Beta. http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/mailbeta/newmail_tools.html From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 22 22:53:20 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 237983C070; Fri, 22 Jun 2007 22:53:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=PZs8aoZjZhIFddoBmF/K9RKO7yXfedvGmLrMq8aygp9wsbjcawPeAAK+WTqW2gvh89XgRiIGcL1WVoFaSNaWTsr/EI/RlePpRr/GqSwZ6deoqHsWmknDrCXsDh8rHpBwadAtQ1irQc6cs2K9Qp0XPoGvSKZxU34J4gwhwzI26Sw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=Y4o9nvNL+2Sk1+LAKiTf9brJ4N7DaSEGyAUyFfbhn0nuPYUcdIYjRpHGd0lfF3oFn6nN0mEq+xQk31SMLzhbII7Y/TpzlHgplGUt/37fqyAu7GZlV6C4UUrTCKKXWfHgNqW7KxDo7xXfGAnkACJG5NXNL1Y2d4RgM62CpfD+hco= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <775877.1464.qm@web32714.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <775877.1464.qm@web32714.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <18F8B0C2-2F2D-4F7B-BCB3-4F9370D5BC9B@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: unexpected gear behavior Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2007 00:53:15 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: <39h5CD.A.tWD.fLFfGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71583 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2007 22:53:20 +0000 (UTC) On 23 jun 2007, at 00.47, bill bigrig wrote: > I have 3 Ibanez Dm-1100s Nice! That box was my first "looper" back in -81 :-) Used it together with an Ibanez HD to patch up cascading delay loops by putting the harmonizer in the delay's effect loop. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 22 22:57:15 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7D9643C08C; Fri, 22 Jun 2007 22:57:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <200706222257.l5MMv9o7016522@mail.cruzio.com> Reply-To: From: "William Walker" To: , Subject: RE: Zappa, and homework for the weekend. Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2007 15:57:10 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_005E_01C7B4E5.FE5FF340" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 In-Reply-To: <062220071943.13610.467C267E000272290000352A2216551406020A050C07080C0B0A079D00070B0703@comcast.net> Thread-Index: Ace1EaLRapZK7AVzSW2nu1nLp+ER9gADgFvA X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.6 required=1.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,AWL,HTML_MESSAGE, MISSING_MID autolearn=disabled version=3.2.1 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.1 (2007-05-02) on mail.cruzio.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71584 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2007 22:57:15 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_005E_01C7B4E5.FE5FF340 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Not to be a name dropper or anything but I just had a conversation today with Napoleon Murphy Brock in the Music Store I work at part time. What a nice cat. We talked about the current Zappa tours, and about Scott Thunes who I was friends with in the late 70's just before he got the Zappa gig. Scott got me in to a show at the Santa Cruz civic Auditorium when they're tour stopped their in the late 70's early 80's. What a band. Thanks Scott wherever you are. He bought me a ticket out of his own pocket cause I was so broke, bless his socks. Bill _____ From: midifriedchicken@comcast.net [mailto:midifriedchicken@comcast.net] Sent: Friday, June 22, 2007 12:44 PM To: Loopers Delight Subject: Zappa, and homework for the weekend. This morning while paying bills and cleaning the house, and I put on "You Can't Do That On Stage Anymore Volume II' The Helsinki Concert". Now THAT was a band. Ruth, George, Napoleoen et. al. were killing it that night. That concert was at the end of the same tour as the Fillmore album. I guess they were bored because every tune was very fast. I sometimes forget why I play music, then I hear a performance like that, and it clears my head. So, for the good of all your loopy heads, I want all of you to listen to a Frank Zappa album this weekend, or maybe just a song, or check out all the great old videos on YouTube. Report back on Monday with what you listened to and your impressions of said music. It will be good for you. Yours in music, MFC ------=_NextPart_000_005E_01C7B4E5.FE5FF340 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Not to be a name dropper or = anything but I just had a conversation today with Napoleon Murphy Brock in the Music = Store I work at part time. What a nice cat. We talked about the current Zappa = tours, and about Scott Thunes who I was friends with in the late 70’s just before = he got the Zappa gig. Scott got me in to a show at the Santa Cruz civic Auditorium when = they’re tour stopped their in the late 70’s early 80’s. What a band. = Thanks Scott wherever you are. He bought me a ticket out of his own pocket = cause I was so broke, bless his socks.

Bill

From: midifriedchicken@comcast.net [mailto:midifriedchicken@comcast.net]
Sent: Friday, June 22, = 2007 12:44 PM
To: Loopers Delight
Subject: Zappa, and = homework for the weekend.

This morning while paying bills and cleaning the house, and I = put on "You Can't Do That On Stage Anymore Volume II' The Helsinki = Concert". Now THAT was a band. Ruth, George, Napoleoen et. al. were = killing it that night. That = concert was at the end of the same tour as the Fillmore album. I guess they were = bored because every tune was very fast.

I sometimes forget why I play music, then I hear a performance = like that, and it clears my head.

So, for the good of all your loopy heads, I want all of you to = listen to a Frank Zappa album this weekend, or maybe just a song, or check out = all the great old videos on YouTube. Report back on Monday with what you = listened to and your impressions of said music. It will be good for you. =

Yours in music,

MFC

------=_NextPart_000_005E_01C7B4E5.FE5FF340-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 22 23:19:41 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C91903C086; Fri, 22 Jun 2007 23:19:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Qua Veda" To: Subject: RE: Zappa, and homework for the weekend. Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2007 16:19:21 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_008C_01C7B4E9.19A74240" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 In-Reply-To: <200706222257.l5MMv9o7016522@mail.cruzio.com> Thread-Index: Ace1EaLRapZK7AVzSW2nu1nLp+ER9gADgFvAAADftIA= Message-Id: <20070622162546.SM05152@quahome> X-RBL-Warning: REVDNS: This E-mail was sent from a MUA/MTA 206.212.233.27 with no reverse DNS entry. X-Declude-Sender: qua@oregon.com [206.212.233.27] X-Declude-Spoolname: D5a6303b600003376.smd X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude JunkMail (www.declude.com) for spam. Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71585 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2007 23:19:41 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_008C_01C7B4E9.19A74240 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks for this thread and the opportunity to see the documentary. Wow. heartbreaking, inspiring, mind blowing. I got to see him when his band included the big guy from the Turtles - what a voice!. Rushed the stage and got to sit close up before getting tossed out ;-) I'm going to have to get back into his music. -Qua _____ From: William Walker [mailto:billwalker@baymoon.com] Sent: Friday, June 22, 2007 3:57 PM To: midifriedchicken@comcast.net; Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Zappa, and homework for the weekend. Not to be a name dropper or anything but I just had a conversation today with Napoleon Murphy Brock in the Music Store I work at part time. What a nice cat. We talked about the current Zappa tours, and about Scott Thunes who I was friends with in the late 70's just before he got the Zappa gig. Scott got me in to a show at the Santa Cruz civic Auditorium when they're tour stopped their in the late 70's early 80's. What a band. Thanks Scott wherever you are. He bought me a ticket out of his own pocket cause I was so broke, bless his socks. Bill _____ From: midifriedchicken@comcast.net [mailto:midifriedchicken@comcast.net] Sent: Friday, June 22, 2007 12:44 PM To: Loopers Delight Subject: Zappa, and homework for the weekend. This morning while paying bills and cleaning the house, and I put on "You Can't Do That On Stage Anymore Volume II' The Helsinki Concert". Now THAT was a band. Ruth, George, Napoleoen et. al. were killing it that night. That concert was at the end of the same tour as the Fillmore album. I guess they were bored because every tune was very fast. I sometimes forget why I play music, then I hear a performance like that, and it clears my head. So, for the good of all your loopy heads, I want all of you to listen to a Frank Zappa album this weekend, or maybe just a song, or check out all the great old videos on YouTube. Report back on Monday with what you listened to and your impressions of said music. It will be good for you. Yours in music, MFC ------=_NextPart_000_008C_01C7B4E9.19A74240 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Thanks for this thread and the opportunity to = see the=20 documentary. Wow. heartbreaking, inspiring, mind=20 blowing.

I got to see him when his band included the big = guy from=20 the Turtles - what a voice!. Rushed the stage and got to sit close = up=20 before getting tossed out ;-)

I'm going to have to get back = ;into his music.

-Qua

From: William Walker=20 [mailto:billwalker@baymoon.com]
Sent: Friday, June 22, 2007 = 3:57=20 PM
To: midifriedchicken@comcast.net;=20 Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: RE: Zappa, and = homework=20 for the weekend.

Not to be a = name=20 dropper or anything but I just had a conversation today with Napoleon = Murphy=20 Brock in the Music Store I work at part time. What a nice cat. We talked = about=20 the current Zappa tours, and about Scott Thunes who I was friends = with in=20 the late 70’s just before he got the Zappa gig. Scott got me in to = a show at the=20 Santa = Cruz civic=20 Auditorium when they’re tour stopped their in the late 70’s = early 80’s. What a=20 band. Thanks Scott wherever you are. He bought me a ticket out of his = own pocket=20 cause I was so broke, bless his socks.

Bill

From:=20 midifriedchicken@comcast.net [mailto:midifriedchicken@comcast.net] =
Sent: Friday, June 22, 2007 12:44 = PM
To: Loopers=20 Delight
Subject: = Zappa, and=20 homework for the weekend.

This morning while paying bills and cleaning = the house,=20 and I put on "You Can't Do That On Stage Anymore Volume II' The Helsinki = Concert". Now THAT was a band. Ruth, George, Napoleoen et. al. were=20 killing it = that=20 night. That concert was at the end of the same tour as the Fillmore = album. I=20 guess they were bored because every tune was very=20 fast.

I sometimes forget why I play music, then I = hear a=20 performance like that, and it clears my head.=20

So, for the good of all your loopy heads, I = want all of=20 you to listen to a Frank Zappa album this weekend, or maybe just a song, = or=20 check out all the great old videos on YouTube. Report back on Monday = with what=20 you listened to and your impressions of said music. It will be good for = you.=20

Yours in = music,

MFC

------=_NextPart_000_008C_01C7B4E9.19A74240-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 22 23:25:20 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D01083C08B; Fri, 22 Jun 2007 23:25:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Aq4HACj3e0ZKgAATbWdsb2JhbACBSmI3jEMLBhUYBQ Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2007 18:25:19 -0500 From: mwsmart@insightbb.com Subject: Re: Zappa, and homework for the weekend. In-reply-to: <45CA8CFA-7C10-4525-A1A9-D277A920D331@jamesrichmond.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Sun Java(tm) System Messenger Express 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006) Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_da8mJFuSPM1kWE29TDQYtA)" Content-language: en X-Accept-Language: en Priority: normal References: <062220071943.13610.467C267E000272290000352A2216551406020A050C07080C0B0A079D00070B0703@comcast.net> <45CA8CFA-7C10-4525-A1A9-D277A920D331@jamesrichmond.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71586 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2007 23:25:20 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_da8mJFuSPM1kWE29TDQYtA) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline I like the part on that album where they are doing something really avant garde, and a guy in the audience yells "Whipping Post!". Zappa says, "Sorry, we don't know that one. Anything else?". Then they proceed to play "Montana" with "whipping post" substituted for a lot of the lyrics. "Raising my lonely whipping post floss", etc. Hilarious. Mark Smart http://www.marksmart.net --Boundary_(ID_da8mJFuSPM1kWE29TDQYtA) Content-type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline

I like the part on that album where they are doing something really avant garde, and a guy in the audience yells "Whipping Post!". Zappa says, "Sorry, we don't know that one. Anything else?". Then they proceed to play "Montana" with "whipping post" substituted for a lot of the lyrics. "Raising my lonely whipping post floss", etc. Hilarious.

Mark Smart

http://www.marksmart.net

--Boundary_(ID_da8mJFuSPM1kWE29TDQYtA)-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 22 23:26:55 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CD9BB3C08B; Fri, 22 Jun 2007 23:26:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <467C5AB9.1060009@mhorse.com> Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2007 18:26:49 -0500 From: Daryl Shawn User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.12 (Windows/20070509) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: unexpected gear behavior References: <20070622231942.613193C08D@arsenic.violacea.com> In-Reply-To: <20070622231942.613193C08D@arsenic.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71587 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2007 23:26:55 +0000 (UTC) Rig, tape degradation - I indeed know! Mmm, mm mm! I know peeps are probably sick of seeing this, but here's a lil' article I wrote about looping w/ tapes - I actually use a four-track (and sometimes a Dictaphone). http://www.loopers-delight.com/tips/multitrack.html Daryl Shawn www.swanwelder.com www.chinapaintingmusic.com > > WOW! What a concept!!!!I have 3 Ibanez Dm-1100s and a > digitech 720 and I just use those to get loops going. > my Roland RE-201 is fun too, but tape degredation, you > know. I NEVER thought of using a tape loop in a > cassette machine. WOW!!! > Rig > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 23 00:01:56 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 32C0D3C07B; Sat, 23 Jun 2007 00:01:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Qua Veda" To: Subject: RE: Zappa, and homework for the weekend. Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2007 17:01:41 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0096_01C7B4EF.029AEEC0" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 In-Reply-To: <20070622162546.SM05152@quahome> Thread-Index: Ace1EaLRapZK7AVzSW2nu1nLp+ER9gADgFvAAADftIAAAZe6QA== Message-Id: <200706221707968.SM04736@quahome> X-RBL-Warning: REVDNS: This E-mail was sent from a MUA/MTA 206.212.233.27 with no reverse DNS entry. X-Declude-Sender: qua@oregon.com [206.212.233.27] X-Declude-Spoolname: D644e01e600004131.smd X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude JunkMail (www.declude.com) for spam. Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71588 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2007 00:01:56 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0096_01C7B4EF.029AEEC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit BTW, anyone know if any of Zappa's albums contained mosly ballad type instrumentals, like the closing song on part 6 of 6 of the video ? _____ From: Qua Veda [mailto:qua@oregon.com] Sent: Friday, June 22, 2007 4:19 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Zappa, and homework for the weekend. Thanks for this thread and the opportunity to see the documentary. Wow. heartbreaking, inspiring, mind blowing. I got to see him when his band included the big guy from the Turtles - what a voice!. Rushed the stage and got to sit close up before getting tossed out ;-) I'm going to have to get back into his music. -Qua _____ From: William Walker [mailto:billwalker@baymoon.com] Sent: Friday, June 22, 2007 3:57 PM To: midifriedchicken@comcast.net; Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Zappa, and homework for the weekend. Not to be a name dropper or anything but I just had a conversation today with Napoleon Murphy Brock in the Music Store I work at part time. What a nice cat. We talked about the current Zappa tours, and about Scott Thunes who I was friends with in the late 70's just before he got the Zappa gig. Scott got me in to a show at the Santa Cruz civic Auditorium when they're tour stopped their in the late 70's early 80's. What a band. Thanks Scott wherever you are. He bought me a ticket out of his own pocket cause I was so broke, bless his socks. Bill _____ From: midifriedchicken@comcast.net [mailto:midifriedchicken@comcast.net] Sent: Friday, June 22, 2007 12:44 PM To: Loopers Delight Subject: Zappa, and homework for the weekend. This morning while paying bills and cleaning the house, and I put on "You Can't Do That On Stage Anymore Volume II' The Helsinki Concert". Now THAT was a band. Ruth, George, Napoleoen et. al. were killing it that night. That concert was at the end of the same tour as the Fillmore album. I guess they were bored because every tune was very fast. I sometimes forget why I play music, then I hear a performance like that, and it clears my head. So, for the good of all your loopy heads, I want all of you to listen to a Frank Zappa album this weekend, or maybe just a song, or check out all the great old videos on YouTube. Report back on Monday with what you listened to and your impressions of said music. It will be good for you. Yours in music, MFC ------=_NextPart_000_0096_01C7B4EF.029AEEC0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

BTW, anyone know if any of Zappa's = albums=20 contained mosly ballad type instrumentals, like the closing song = on part 6=20 of 6 of the video ?

From: Qua Veda = [mailto:qua@oregon.com]=20
Sent: Friday, June 22, 2007 4:19 PM
To:=20 Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: RE: Zappa, and = homework=20 for the weekend.

Thanks for this thread and the opportunity to = see the=20 documentary. Wow. heartbreaking, inspiring, mind=20 blowing.

I got to see him when his band included the big = guy from=20 the Turtles - what a voice!. Rushed the stage and got to sit close = up=20 before getting tossed out ;-)

I'm going to have to get back = ;into his music.

-Qua

Bill

I sometimes forget why I play music, then I = hear a=20 performance like that, and it clears my head.=20

Yours in = music,

MFC

------=_NextPart_000_0096_01C7B4EF.029AEEC0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 23 00:10:41 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3D7D33C08E; Sat, 23 Jun 2007 00:10:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [4.246.78.25] X-Originating-Email: [sambacomet@hotmail.com] X-Sender: sambacomet@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <20070622231942.613193C08D@arsenic.violacea.com> From: "samba -" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: ZAPPA Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2007 17:10:34 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Jun 2007 00:10:38.0519 (UTC) FILETIME=[EDBD0470:01C7B52A] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71589 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2007 00:10:41 +0000 (UTC) I always liked The Uncle Meat album,ad the tune Peaches in Regalia from Hot Rats the best but the last 2 releases are amazing,esp Yellow Shark.Magnificent. You know Artis Spoonthang played with Zappa.I'm ot sure which recording. _________________________________________________________________ Get a preview of Live Earth, the hottest event this summer - only on MSN http://liveearth.msn.com?source=msntaglineliveearthhm From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 23 00:49:25 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9B6643C08A; Sat, 23 Jun 2007 00:49:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-YMail-OSG: DLdc1wIVM1km_60yfebaKZ64ttb_eSD5z4wPfgU4CEGwl0VxQ9dRT7rnzsjSO1VjgAnGrRf47cbcf1.HMCWl3gEfZRrrI5ZXSDYhZe.LtD5MbPFyfUQ- Message-ID: <467C7B30.8050501@minds-eye.org> Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2007 17:45:20 -0800 From: Kevin Cheli-Colando User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.5) Gecko/20031007 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Fwd: The Artist's Right To Be Boring References: <443427.89874.qm@web59201.mail.re1.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71590 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2007 00:49:25 +0000 (UTC) >> What have other folks on the list used musically as indicators of >> "time to return to the mothership" like James Brown did calling out >> "take me to the bridge!" only more subtle maybe? on stage >> communication is what i'm trying to figure out, while you're buried in >> the jam... > > One of my funnier failures to solve this problem involved getting a roommates' friend involved in a group session of typical outer space exploration. Now we chose to ask this person because a) he was a pretty good guitarist and b) he liked to play songs primarily and c) we all got along pretty well. So we figured we had the perfect arrangement. We'd get all spacey and play as far out as we wanted and then this guy would pick up and be able to bring us back down and ground us for a while. So we set up and started to play and after about two minutes of our drifting sounds he put his guitar down and, without saying a word, walked out of the room. At that point we knew we were doomed and had no choice but to continue onward and outward, return no longer guaranteed. Kevin -- Till now you seriously considered yourself to be the body and to have a form. That is the primal ignorance which is the root cause of all trouble. - Ramana Maharshi (1879-1950) Sound and Vision: http://www.minds-eye.org -- Till now you seriously considered yourself to be the body and to have a form. That is the primal ignorance which is the root cause of all trouble. - Ramana Maharshi (1879-1950) Sound and Vision: http://www.minds-eye.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 23 04:52:52 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 24E4F3C088; Sat, 23 Jun 2007 04:52:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <467C2CAE.5070007@speakeasy.net> References: <20070622195144.2B1EA3C086@arsenic.violacea.com> <467C2CAE.5070007@speakeasy.net> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1-256216323 Message-Id: <1AA340F2-BD72-4DF6-AF54-B07BDE881FA3@ubergadget.com> From: Rev Fever Subject: Re: Zappa, and homework for the weekend. Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2007 21:52:42 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71591 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2007 04:52:52 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-1-256216323 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed For what it may, or may not be worth, I had the very fortunate opportunity to see the original Mothers Of Invention, on a triple bill with Country Joe and the Fish and Canned Heat, in the Summer of 1968, and at some LONG GONE venue in Houston TX called "The Catacombs". No kidding. It was designed inside to make it feel like you were in a CAVERN and the place was nice and cool, AC- wise too, which was GOOD since this was in the SUMMER in HOT and hellishly HUMID Houston. If anyone has ever been in Houston during the Summer, especially LATE Summer, they will KNOW what I am referring to! Humidity SO THICK that you could almost cut it with a knife. Anyway, I was a very young teen and the place was all ages, but I think(?) it was also was set up to sell alcohol too, but I do not remember now, but I do recall it also being filled with a lot 'adults' as well. This was a night I will NEVER FORGET! After the Mother's set, Frank came wandering thru the audience being friendly and briefly speaking to people, etc, and he eventually came up to me and asked if he could take a sip out of my large size, iced Dr. Pepper soda pop, since it "was hot on that stage" (his words, even with the decent enough AC in the venue) and of course I was TREMBLING, but also let him take sip off of the straw. I was VERY intimated to be in direct presence and personal contact with a "STAR" and the only dumb ass thing I could think of to say to him was, "Er...when are ya coming back to Texas?" DUH! I forget what he said, but I recall that he was nice enough and then moved onto the next person in the crowd. Country Joe and The Fish and Canned Heat were also in great form that evening too. This 1968 event in Houston was billed as the "Houston Trips Festival" (or concert? OR..?) But gee....I have NO idea of WHY it was called THAT? (snicker) This was the first and only time I was ever at the Catacombs to see any gigs. I wish I could have seen more there. It was a great place! Below is some more info about the Catacombs history,etc. The authors write out the Mothers,etc, gig as the "Houston Pops Festival" but I remember it being called the "Trips" fest ,since those of us "in the know" got a big laugh out of that. Or maybe someone else decided to "rename" it as that? That would have been appropriate since Owsley was still "productive" in them thar days. (or, daze) :-) Mein Gaia, that was ages ago. Enjoy. -Rev. Fever http://www.scarletdukes.com/st/tmhou_hammondint.html During it's 5 year stay at the South Post Oak Road location the Catacombs booked an amazing array of musical talent. Such bands as the Grateful Dead, Jethro Tull, Jeff Beck Group, and the Mothers of Invention (at the "Houston Pop Festival") performed their first Houston shows there. http://www.faculty.missouristate.edu/d/DennisHickey/catacombshouston.htm 'In fact, shortly before making the move, the Catacombs hosted what it described as "Houston's first pop festival" featuring the Mothers of Invention, Country Joe & the Fish, Canned Heat and a number of local acts.' On Jun 22, 2007, at 1:10 PM, Dennis Montgomery wrote: > I've had the absolute week from hell and I put on my old Zappa '81 > Halloween in NY video to watch with lunch. Tough to worry about > bills/money/crazy stuff watching FZ. The Helsinki band and the '81 > band with "Stevie Vai" are my 2 fave Zappa road gangs. > > Arf --Apple-Mail-1-256216323 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 For what it may, or may not be = worth, I had the very fortunate opportunity to see the original Mothers = Of Invention, on a triple bill with Country Joe and the Fish and Canned = Heat,

in the Summer of 1968, and at some LONG GONE venue in Houston = TX called "The Catacombs". No kidding.=A0 It was designed inside to make = it feel like you were in a CAVERN and the place was nice and cool, = AC-wise too, which was GOOD since this was in the SUMMER in HOT and = hellishly HUMID Houston.=A0 If anyone has ever been in Houston during = the Summer, especially LATE Summer, they will KNOW what I am referring = to!=A0 =A0Humidity SO THICK that you could almost cut it with a = knife.

Anyway, = I was a very young teen and the place was all ages, but I think(?) it = was also was set up to sell alcohol too,=A0but I do not remember now, = but I do recall it also being filled with a lot 'adults' as well. This = was a night I will NEVER FORGET!=A0 =A0After the Mother's set, Frank = came wandering thru the audience being friendly and briefly speaking to = people, etc,=A0

and he eventually came up to me and asked if = he could take a sip out of my large size, iced Dr. Pepper soda pop, = since it "was hot on that stage"=A0

(his words, even with the = decent enough AC in the venue)=A0and of course I was TREMBLING, but also = let him take sip off of the straw.=A0

I was VERY intimated to = be in direct presence=A0=A0and personal contact with a "STAR" and the = only dumb ass thing I could think of to say to him = was,=A0

"Er...when are ya coming back to Texas?"=A0 DUH!=A0 I = forget what he said, but I recall that he was nice enough and then moved = onto the next person in the crowd.

Country Joe and The Fish = and Canned Heat were also in great form that evening too. This 1968 = event in Houston was billed as the "Houston Trips Festival" (or concert? = OR..?)

But gee....I=A0 have NO idea of WHY it was called THAT? = (snicker)=A0 This was the first and only time I was ever at the = Catacombs to see any gigs. I wish I could have seen more = there.

It was a great place!

Below=A0is some more info = about the Catacombs history,etc.

The authors write out the = Mothers,etc, gig as the "Houston Pops Festival" but I=A0 remember it = being called the "Trips" fest ,since those of us "in the know" got a big = laugh out of that.=A0

Or maybe someone else decided to = "rename" it as that? That would have been appropriate since Owsley was = still "productive" in them thar days. (or, daze) :-)=A0=A0

Mein = Gaia, that was ages ago. Enjoy.

-Rev. Fever

http://www.s= carletdukes.com/st/tmhou_hammondint.html

During it's 5 year stay = at the South Post Oak Road location the Catacombs booked an amazing array = of musical talent. Such bands as the Grateful Dead, Jethro Tull, Jeff = Beck Group, and the Mothers of Invention (at the "Houston Pop = Festival") performed their first Houston shows = there.

http://www.faculty.missouristate.edu/d/DennisHickey/catacombshoust= on.htm

'In fact, shortly before making the move, the = Catacombs hosted what it described as "Houston's first pop festival" = featuring the Mothers of Invention, Country Joe & the Fish, Canned = Heat and a number of local = acts.'

O= n Jun 22, 2007, at 1:10 PM, Dennis Montgomery wrote:

I've had the absolute week from hell and I put on my = old Zappa '81 Halloween in NY video to watch with lunch.=A0 Tough to worry about = bills/money/crazy stuff watching FZ.=A0 The Helsinki band and the '81 = band with "Stevie Vai" are my 2 fave Zappa road gangs.

noticed, after doing many improvised concerts, that I have developed a > mental and emotional reference system within, that for me as the > performer is exactly the opposite of a "a blank slate". I could agree partially, in terms of that you often aren't aware of your existing palette of possibilities as something which is already there. I think many of the free jazz attempts failed because they had the assumption they are free, when they weren't, hindering them to get a blank slate to start with. If I define myself as free, I am probably not... When I come to a place to perform, I try to be as free as possible, but in the moment I am in there, my slate will be filled, its a bit like a painter who would definitely start with a blank slate, but as soon you look out of the window the process of filling it in the head will start already. And of course you have your personal palette of doing things. But if you need less of your palette, the outcome will be more surprising for yourself, which is what I am after. The palette is for filling the gaps. There is nothing wrong with a non blank slate, its more the ideal of a really free improvisation, I am aware that his is not very close to a real situation, we are all bound into the context of our own history and experience, and its easy to grab one of our tricks to get the music going... And I also like to do conceptual improvisations, with a predefined theme, or a predefined imagined "story". Sometimes this frees up other creative resources... Stefan -- Stefan Tiedje------------x------- --_____-----------|-------------- --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()------- -- _|_)----|-----()-------------- ----------()--------www.ccmix.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 23 09:29:27 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 897A23C09C; Sat, 23 Jun 2007 09:29:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: AW: Zappa, and homework for the weekend. Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2007 11:29:44 +0200 Organization: Moinlabs Message-ID: <003c01c7b579$089ff740$1001a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <062220071943.13610.467C267E000272290000352A2216551406020A050C07080C0B0A079D00070B0703@comcast.net> Thread-Index: Ace1Ba3gAjE8aXEiQTa5ua1D3GNSLgAce2fg X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-RZG-AUTH: lUESeo99iNzPL8kuBgLYdKEqUywq9cxqeRA+BtFcSCD5deQ7OIJfgqP/8w== X-RZG-CLASS-ID: mo07 Resent-Message-ID: <1NSb3C.A.SwF.3fOfGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71594 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2007 09:29:27 +0000 (UTC) I did my homework in advance when some weeks (or months) ago I decided = to transfer my complete Zappa collection to MP3 and compiled a CD with some "Best of" selections to listen to in the car... As for the ongoing discussions and suggestions: The funny thing about the ycdtosa2 is the fucked-up bass drum track, for which reason the distorted bass drum sound was used to trigger a early-90ies-dance-style bass drum sound which doesn't fit into the mix = at all ;). But it's not as horrific as the work done on the CD release of Cruising with Rubens & The Jets, where the new (eighties-style) drums = and bass tracks replaced the original ones - that's why I have a vinyl copy = of that album. My personal favourites: Zappa in New York and The Best Band You Never = Heard In Your Life. Honorable mention goes to Roxy&Elsewhere, YCDTOSA5 and = some bootleg from a Saarbr=FCcken '78 show (Vinnie Colaiuta is unbelievable = on this one!) About Mark's reference to "Whipping Floss" - the highlight here is the = "Sing me a few bars of it and then maybe we play with you" - (audience member sings some falsetto notes) - "Judging from the way you sang it, it must = be a John Cage composition". And there's that great (heavily edited) medley of Montana/Brown = Moses/That Evil Prince on YCDTOSA4 - the guitar solo on the last tune must be = Zappa's best ever (perhaps together with the FZINY recording of The Illinois = Enema Bandit) Re great videos on youtube (or google video in that case): just stumbled upon some Barcelona '88 footage. It's unbelievable how Zappa sounds when = he tries to speak Spanish - I mean, he lived in California! Don't these Americans ever learn a single (foreign) language in their lifes? ________________________________ So, for the good of all your loopy heads, I want all of you to listen to a Frank Zappa album this weekend, or maybe just a song, or = check out all the great old videos on YouTube. Report back on Monday with what = you listened to and your impressions of said music. It will be good for you. = From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 23 10:00:55 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6B4083C09E; Sat, 23 Jun 2007 10:00:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <467CEF4D.1010701@mhorse.com> Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2007 05:00:45 -0500 From: Daryl Shawn User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.12 (Windows/20070509) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Zoe show tonight? References: <20070623045252.D67173C08C@arsenic.violacea.com> In-Reply-To: <20070623045252.D67173C08C@arsenic.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <17vGX.A.RQH.X9OfGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71595 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2007 10:00:55 +0000 (UTC) Writing from the Mexico City airport, I suddenly realize that I'm going to be able to catch Zoe Keating's cello performance at the Great American in SF tonight (saturday). Anyone else going to be there? (I mean, apart from Zoe?) Daryl Shawn www.swanwelder.com www.chinapaintingmusic.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 23 10:17:57 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 13C4C3C09C; Sat, 23 Jun 2007 10:17:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <001201c7b57f$f7ff5b90$19b2a8c0@netzrechner> Reply-To: "Tilmann Dehnhard" From: "Tilmann Dehnhard" To: References: <20070622195144.2B1EA3C086@arsenic.violacea.com> <467C2CAE.5070007@speakeasy.net> <1AA340F2-BD72-4DF6-AF54-B07BDE881FA3@ubergadget.com> Subject: mobius vst question Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2007 12:19:20 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000F_01C7B590.BA4B17B0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1++nzH7/KbjwpGWCvUl4PhTSHLRbfSOj7kWQB0 kYrklwKoftkYxD7JS5fknHAdJmvKX1iDDAojpQbA9pF3Wgl7Fj fKNzzcyYzwzgi6BNnlJ0w5BPfi6d3p/ Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71596 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2007 10:17:57 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000F_01C7B590.BA4B17B0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable hello fellow loopers, after looping with hardware loopers for a long = time, i want to try first steps with a laptop setup. here is what i want to do: play through a chain of vsts into mobius. control the vsts and mobius = via fcb1010. (as far as i understand, mobius can not host vsts, etc. is that right?) do i need a host program? i have ableton live. i tried mobius as a vst = and it shows up as a vst but doesn't make a sound. would you use ableton = live or a different program? about the fcb1010: i would like the buttons 1-7 to react like the = original edp buttons. does anybody have a .syx with this? help would be very much appreciated. tilmann www.dehnhard.com ------=_NextPart_000_000F_01C7B590.BA4B17B0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
hello fellow loopers, after looping = with hardware=20 loopers for a long time, i want to try first steps with a laptop=20 setup.

here is what i want to do:

play through a chain of vsts into = mobius. control=20 the vsts and mobius via fcb1010.

(as far as i understand, mobius can not = host vsts,=20 etc. is that right?)

do i need a host program? i have = ableton live. i=20 tried mobius as a vst and it shows up as a vst but doesn't make a = sound.=20 would you use ableton live or a different program?

about the fcb1010: i would like the = buttons 1-7 to=20 react like the original edp buttons.

does anybody have a .syx with = this?

help would be very much = appreciated.

tilmann

www.dehnhard.com

------=_NextPart_000_000F_01C7B590.BA4B17B0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 23 10:39:47 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B37AF3C0A8; Sat, 23 Jun 2007 10:39:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:content-type:message-id:cc:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer:sender; b=UaHa5LV4P6cGY3fDJIyWfd9Xhod1FFLX3KhOmwN3acRgUzHptOe+LOrI8kCpq7zzQUvLeVkMSt+sav+87wZHpVIytvDWViGlDKvPLkqDHzfH7WMR6hIFi88U6zhHPjdMiucJLoWyC8NBoVfgS75m+4/pMCwFOW2kLa0JepRdqzg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:mime-version:content-type:message-id:cc:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer:sender; b=jVmzLe4oDp9c9FJ3gA9v+/EkquKDzuHgviVbuuLBV+NOw5mqV+N6DootKryWCqXuFeI3ITESzErL3YQTi2EQYXFLFcqmshitOt/23olLwP5dp6t46YIYgwTTWbfLThSu6GQJUJbrv/pmbEiSo+gMnYdvTnD+xBfUcNqKstA7ygs= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Cc: Loopers Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Walk-through tutorial for Bidule as VST host in Windows (was: Re: bidule) Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2007 12:39:41 +0200 To: Jens Wolters X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Sender: Per Boysen Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71597 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2007 10:39:47 +0000 (UTC) On 23 jun 2007, at 01.25, Jens Wolters wrote: > Hi Per, > > you had a link with a pic of your bidule setup on loopers delight > some time ago. Can you send me that link again? > That was really interesting. Hi Jens, I'm copying this to the Loopers Delight so anyone else also interested in Bidule can pick up on it. Here's a screen shot: http:// www.looproom.com/bilder/bidule2007ff400.JPG And here's a walk-through following the signal chain: On the top there is the audio interface and I'm using three mono inputs: (1) Microphone for sax+flute+voice, (2) Instrument line in for EWI analog signal, (3) Instrument line in for electric guitar. All three inputs are set to different levels to match the variations in instrument output level. This is extremely important when working with software like the AmpliTube Jimi Hendrix because otherwise you miss out on that cool dynamic distortion algorithms that does follow the dynamics in your playing. On the sax/flute/voice input there is a bidule filter to cut out bass and add some high frequencies. Since I'm looping this is essential to make layers blend well in the loop without sounding too muddy at the lower end (more of this "reversed mixing" technique is implied by the choice of VST effects in the chains). For the EWI and guitar inputs I have chosen to initially shape the tone with the Amplitube plug-in, I like that better for those instruments. The "Gain_6" is a Bidule input level control binded to one of the FCB1010's expression pedals. I use it for violin-like note attacks when playing guitar and to prevent acoustic feedback between played notes when using the mic over loud PA's. Next in line is the Audio Switcher bidule. This is where incoming MIDI Program Change commands from my FCB1010 pedal board mutes all following effect chains except the one corresponding to the received MIDI PC. This is how you set it up: 1. Click "Parameters" at the top menu row in the Bidule window. 2. In the upper left window of the now opened Parameter window, locate the Audio Switcher object and open its parameter list by clicking the small "+". 3. For binding to MIDI Program Change #1 select "Processing Mode Output 1". 4. In the window to the right, locate the first of the VST plug-ins in the chain and open its parameter list by clicking the small "+". 5. Locate the parameter "Mode" and select it (should be fairly high up in the list). 6. Click the "Link" button below (you will now see this binding turn up at the bottom window under "Source" and "Target". 7. Repeat step 4, 5 and 6 for all other VST plug-ins in this effect chain. One Audio Switcher object has 16 tags from where you drag a virtual cable for the following, alternative, effect chains. Only one of the effect chains is active at any give moment and the muted chains are completely taken off the CPU load. I'm assembling all effect chain's outputs with an Audio Matrix object. I could as well pipe them all directly into Mobius stereo input 1-2 but I kept it like this because I can then easily add a reverb when playing concerts in a too dry sounding venue. (adding ambience both to live inputs and Mobius outputs). Since this is Bidule mainly set up for studio recording I'm leading every Mobius output individually into the audio interface to send them to a recording computer as individual channels through optical ADAT. I noticed though that Mobius does send out Track 1 on the audio interface channels 1,2 and 4. This means everything happening on Mobius Track 1 is also merged into the right stereo channel of Mobius Track 2, in the recording. I can work around it by cabling my live input to a different audio interface output and not use Mobius Track 1 (which I'm almost not doing anyway, because some actions on that Track sends MIDI Start Song command but not the same actions on other Mobius Tracks... anyway that's OT here). This was a studio multiple output setup, but for a simple live set-up use only output 1-2 of the audio interface and merge all Mobius Tracks before sending to PA (in Mobius you can set the "VST Output" individually for all 8 tracks). Oh... one last note. I do not use Mobius function "Configuration / Global Parameters / Monitor Audio Input". Instead, as you can see, I have cabled my live input directly to the audio interface output 1-2 (will change this to 9-10 though to fight the Mobius track channel output bug). The reason is that I don't want my live playing signal to be affected by the dBlue Glitch plug-in that I have put between Mobius Track outputs 2, 3 and 4 and the audio interface outputs 3-4, 5-6 and 7-8. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://www.myspace.com/looproom From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 23 10:55:53 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 972D83C0A8; Sat, 23 Jun 2007 10:55:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Rigby Allen" To: Subject: unsubscribe Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2007 11:55:44 +0100 Message-ID: <000401c7b585$0c698bf0$0601a8c0@dadscomp> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0005_01C7B58D.6E2DF3F0" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71598 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2007 10:55:53 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C7B58D.6E2DF3F0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit unsubscribe ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C7B58D.6E2DF3F0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message
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------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C7B58D.6E2DF3F0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 23 11:19:15 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A84F73C0A3; Sat, 23 Jun 2007 11:19:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-priority:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=sO3Ldjlk25BGeM9OeEx8ud+SUk5o72HPRxOCndspfZ8szNqWgryRFizgyKib7p5oJVb9UvPrrCYjPRxYy2vOMNqGW7lB8bOJE94THJyk7jSeRkHIeoZmj3GKYmAtsOAbtG8lulymfnqOtJ892aSWR2dOqDSF/fEU6D+H2X4au2w= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-priority:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=kY5UK4DZr2WhMO0buiXMBdd4oaaDOJExqndhyJkq4RvMKEnjdVT8L684XrX293KZLap2teD3qdVEyE3wd5zKhg7SpKOpOnTwl6dYoBGNJ97o5G1mlTvIgf/D+jQLaYxCaCAqsWZdEjHXpgJGw9pQTvx2LG9Fqy914NrmL0a7qVk= In-Reply-To: <001201c7b57f$f7ff5b90$19b2a8c0@netzrechner> References: <20070622195144.2B1EA3C086@arsenic.violacea.com> <467C2CAE.5070007@speakeasy.net> <1AA340F2-BD72-4DF6-AF54-B07BDE881FA3@ubergadget.com> <001201c7b57f$f7ff5b90$19b2a8c0@netzrechner> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <527FD34D-93F6-4D7E-B3D7-6B3707A62F7D@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: mobius vst question Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2007 13:19:10 +0200 To: Loopers X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71599 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2007 11:19:15 +0000 (UTC) On 23 jun 2007, at 12.19, Tilmann Dehnhard wrote: > hello fellow loopers, after looping with hardware loopers for a > long time, i want to try first steps with a laptop setup. > > here is what i want to do: > play through a chain of vsts into mobius. control the vsts and > mobius via fcb1010. > (as far as i understand, mobius can not host vsts, etc. is that > right?) Yes. > do i need a host program? Yes. > i have ableton live. i tried mobius as a vst and it shows up as a > vst but doesn't make a sound. You have to pipe the audio stream from your audio interface input into Mobius. Regard Ableton Live as a mixer. > would you use ableton live or a different program? I was usinig Ableton in the past but now I prefer Bidule for two reasons: (1) Letting me use 16 alternative effect chains pre looper with no extra CPU load and (2) perfect sync with tempo dependent effects and Mobius used as the sync master to set the global tempo by the first loop recorded (Ableton tends to loos sync when run as the sync slave). > about the fcb1010: i would like the buttons 1-7 to react like the > original edp buttons. 1. Make sure your FCB pedals only send out one MIDI Note each (default is sending out a cluster of events). 2. Assign the pedals you want to use to the Mobius functions you want to use (MIDI learn in Mobius, very easy). Since you are familiar with the EDP I suggest you simply read the Mobius manual and locate the functions corresponding to the function you are used to with the EDP and duplicate your trusty old EDP set- up. Then you can expand it piece by piece as you go into the brave new future. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 23 12:40:15 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E6C473C0A3; Sat, 23 Jun 2007 12:40:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <002201c7b593$a2dde6e0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "RICK WALKER" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: Les Paul and the Les Pulveriser Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2007 05:40:09 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.5 required=1.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,AWL, STOX_REPLY_TYPE,TVD_RCVD_SINGLE,WHOIS_NETSOLPR autolearn=disabled version=3.2.1 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.1 (2007-05-02) on mail.cruzio.com Resent-Message-ID: <0CSvRC.A.-J.vSRfGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71600 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2007 12:40:15 +0000 (UTC) What didn't this guy invent? Looping from way back when. Les Paul and his little black box.............the Les Pulveriser in a video on youtube.com http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=foXSXOAfB4U&mode=related&search= Old School Baby!!!!! Give props to those who came before us! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 23 13:12:47 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0806F3C0A9; Sat, 23 Jun 2007 13:12:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=laWUArZ6wxjvLIQnV8ZRmrTDuErkyzkiDUPkCjWAwtikNMt8aY0vI3DhPZ8XsSwJ0IYz7xq9Ll1OXPFn6vJB/Wj/bgfTobgT/aQOdaYcPcE4iTXRA221maLSOVItKjjmlukKoRNoTx34zFpf/wbmtuiKigO1omSHgXnJ9Sove88= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=gSYgQhTPm0YBzHUC34t2BsxUXPuNjz/cjsQ/OwZjaVKufcoz173QtA7SdXU95qTx82IDKbMa/wha88aWW6CZRssvyJ7kDNBOlBXtHcXPk4UjDh6lHpkVT6wlPO5/8LrKMZNcZQXSRn5zV2JgX6q45CgBxlUz7Nbv+AuuxuL+IHY= Message-ID: <4759e5740706230612o4bd4701dnf8cbf228baf40789@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2007 09:12:44 -0400 From: "todd reynolds" Reply-To: todd@toddreynolds.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Les Paul and the Les Pulveriser In-Reply-To: <002201c7b593$a2dde6e0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_8938_17216434.1182604364646" References: <002201c7b593$a2dde6e0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71601 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2007 13:12:46 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_8938_17216434.1182604364646 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Thanks Rick! That should go up as a link on the LD site, just for the props value! and how bout that mic stickin' out of the guitar! t. On 6/23/07, RICK WALKER wrote: > > What didn't this guy invent? > > Looping from way back when. > > Les Paul and his little black box.............the Les Pulveriser > in a video on youtube.com > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=foXSXOAfB4U&mode=related&search= > > > Old School Baby!!!!! Give props to those who came before us! > > -- http://www.toddreynolds.com |: http://myspace.com/toddreynoldsmusic |: ------------------------------------------------------|: 917.576.6166 todd@toddreynolds.com toddreyn@gmail.com ------=_Part_8938_17216434.1182604364646 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Thanks Rick! That should go up as a link on the LD site, just for the props value!

and how bout that mic stickin' out of the guitar!

t.

On 6/23/07, RICK WALKER <looppool@cruzio.com> wrote:
What didn't this guy invent?

Looping from way back when.

Les Paul and his little black box.............the Les Pulveriser
in a video on youtube.com

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=foXSXOAfB4U&mode=related&search=

Old School Baby!!!!!    Give props to those who came before us!

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toddreyn@gmail.com ------=_Part_8938_17216434.1182604364646-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 23 13:46:11 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C37CB3C0A6; Sat, 23 Jun 2007 13:46:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Jens Wolters" To: Subject: AW: Walk-through tutorial for Bidule as VST host in Windows (was: Re: bidule) Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2007 15:46:13 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 In-Reply-To: Thread-Index: Ace1gtP4KW4GL0H2QpuQwhGxakrHoQAGW7sA Message-Id: <20070623134610.05FDE3C07C@arsenic.violacea.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71602 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2007 13:46:11 +0000 (UTC) Hi Per, 1) this is pretty cool. I didn't get that "mode" thing before. If you want to control effect chains this is perfect. But what if you want the effects in a row and bypass some of those = effects ? (like on a normal pedal board) This will work with the MIDI switcher. I just don=92t know how to = control the "bypass" parameter. The "mode" just controls if the effect is ON or OFF. = 2) What is this pitch shifter plugin? Would be great to have something I could do realtime timestreching with. The Mobius timestreching has a bad timing right now. =20 Greetings Jens -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- Von: Per Boysen [mailto:perboysen@gmail.com] Im Auftrag von Per Boysen Gesendet: Samstag, 23. Juni 2007 12:40 An: Jens Wolters Cc: Loopers Betreff: Walk-through tutorial for Bidule as VST host in Windows (was: = Re: bidule) On 23 jun 2007, at 01.25, Jens Wolters wrote: > Hi Per, > > you had a link with a pic of your bidule setup on loopers delight =20 > some time ago. Can you send me that link again? > That was really interesting. Hi Jens, I'm copying this to the Loopers Delight so anyone else also =20 interested in Bidule can pick up on it. Here's a screen shot: http://=20 www.looproom.com/bilder/bidule2007ff400.JPG And here's a walk-through following the signal chain: On the top there is the audio interface and I'm using three mono =20 inputs: (1) Microphone for sax+flute+voice, (2) Instrument line in =20 for EWI analog signal, (3) Instrument line in for electric guitar. =20 All three inputs are set to different levels to match the variations =20 in instrument output level. This is extremely important when working =20 with software like the AmpliTube Jimi Hendrix because otherwise you =20 miss out on that cool dynamic distortion algorithms that does follow =20 the dynamics in your playing. On the sax/flute/voice input there is a bidule filter to cut out bass =20 and add some high frequencies. Since I'm looping this is essential to =20 make layers blend well in the loop without sounding too muddy at the =20 lower end (more of this "reversed mixing" technique is implied by the =20 choice of VST effects in the chains). For the EWI and guitar inputs I =20 have chosen to initially shape the tone with the Amplitube plug-in, I =20 like that better for those instruments. The "Gain_6" is a Bidule input level control binded to one of the =20 FCB1010's expression pedals. I use it for violin-like note attacks =20 when playing guitar and to prevent acoustic feedback between played =20 notes when using the mic over loud PA's. Next in line is the Audio Switcher bidule. This is where incoming =20 MIDI Program Change commands from my FCB1010 pedal board mutes all =20 following effect chains except the one corresponding to the received =20 MIDI PC. This is how you set it up: 1. Click "Parameters" at the top menu row in the Bidule window. 2. In the upper left window of the now opened Parameter window, =20 locate the Audio Switcher object and open its parameter list by =20 clicking the small "+". 3. For binding to MIDI Program Change #1 select "Processing Mode =20 Output 1". 4. In the window to the right, locate the first of the VST plug-ins =20 in the chain and open its parameter list by clicking the small "+". 5. Locate the parameter "Mode" and select it (should be fairly high =20 up in the list). 6. Click the "Link" button below (you will now see this binding turn =20 up at the bottom window under "Source" and "Target". 7. Repeat step 4, 5 and 6 for all other VST plug-ins in this effect =20 chain. One Audio Switcher object has 16 tags from where you drag a virtual =20 cable for the following, alternative, effect chains. Only one of the =20 effect chains is active at any give moment and the muted chains are =20 completely taken off the CPU load. I'm assembling all effect chain's outputs with an Audio Matrix =20 object. I could as well pipe them all directly into Mobius stereo =20 input 1-2 but I kept it like this because I can then easily add a =20 reverb when playing concerts in a too dry sounding venue. (adding =20 ambience both to live inputs and Mobius outputs). Since this is Bidule mainly set up for studio recording I'm leading =20 every Mobius output individually into the audio interface to send =20 them to a recording computer as individual channels through optical =20 ADAT. I noticed though that Mobius does send out Track 1 on the audio =20 interface channels 1,2 and 4. This means everything happening on =20 Mobius Track 1 is also merged into the right stereo channel of Mobius =20 Track 2, in the recording. I can work around it by cabling my live =20 input to a different audio interface output and not use Mobius Track =20 1 (which I'm almost not doing anyway, because some actions on that =20 Track sends MIDI Start Song command but not the same actions on other =20 Mobius Tracks... anyway that's OT here). This was a studio multiple output setup, but for a simple live set-up =20 use only output 1-2 of the audio interface and merge all Mobius =20 Tracks before sending to PA (in Mobius you can set the "VST Output" =20 individually for all 8 tracks). Oh... one last note. I do not use Mobius function "Configuration / =20 Global Parameters / Monitor Audio Input". Instead, as you can see, I =20 have cabled my live input directly to the audio interface output 1-2 =20 (will change this to 9-10 though to fight the Mobius track channel =20 output bug). The reason is that I don't want my live playing signal =20 to be affected by the dBlue Glitch plug-in that I have put between =20 Mobius Track outputs 2, 3 and 4 and the audio interface outputs 3-4, =20 5-6 and 7-8. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://www.myspace.com/looproom From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 23 14:40:04 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C2B083C0AC; Sat, 23 Jun 2007 14:40:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=IJ68Dc46plQyznKOlnL+6rl6nVCzjLyMdFmj00qtaiSFpSjjh3ASjtQLmK9A1Pr7geO+c80u33pxx+xYnSWxFsLqi1nDZKvIgAEz4urSVH7I46XICaw0iuZbD9bH33fGLqJ9xuxzGwTq586H6oJurmIyKQNHK3zS92dREX4gb0M= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=kN4XYWJlF2ACQecadlWtqfEs7cwUBXE6i6L7mHP0yRlv2nIhT7hbi18q5m6hxSngbdSzMn2+C3/53XhNK4X8zbY4tQ3x7Qqs99rsC95vh7ce/mrDibtSLvK9ttDVyEYOT27Xi65mv5abR/iVwU1p6c8FZAcffTanJ2JwNRI8zV4= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <20070623134610.05FDE3C07C@arsenic.violacea.com> References: <20070623134610.05FDE3C07C@arsenic.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: AW: Walk-through tutorial for Bidule as VST host in Windows (was: Re: bidule) Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2007 16:39:35 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71603 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2007 14:40:04 +0000 (UTC) On 23 jun 2007, at 15.46, Jens Wolters wrote: > But what if you want the effects in a row and bypass some of those > effects ? > (like on a normal pedal board) Not possible with this Audio Switcher trick. What I do is to set up another copy of the chain but with one effect changed. Gives the same result in praxis. You can probably cable it up in Biduel, I just have not researched how to do it because I don't need it. > 2) What is this pitch shifter plugin? It shifts the pitch! (bet you could never figure that one out on your own!! ;-) > Would be great to have something I > could do realtime timestreching with. Time-stretching is not the same process as Pitch-shifting. > The Mobius timestreching has a bad > timing right now. Yes, I never use it. Instead I use Rate Shift which I think sounds cooler because it also changes the loop length, as with old-school samplers. This gives you a nice rhythmic palette to play with as well. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 23 15:25:52 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 197EB3C0B8; Sat, 23 Jun 2007 15:25:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Jens Wolters" To: Subject: AW: AW: Walk-through tutorial for Bidule as VST host in Windows (was: Re: bidule) Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2007 17:25:54 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 In-Reply-To: Thread-Index: Ace1pGZdF3tFdxvUTwil3hT+CFpjrAABdWbg Message-Id: <20070623152551.417903C0AF@arsenic.violacea.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71604 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2007 15:25:52 +0000 (UTC) Hi Per, thanks a lot Per. Now I have a really great setup! I hope I still can = make some music when using this live ;) (actually I am Tubescreamer straight into some vintage Fender amp guy) "It shifts the pitch! (bet you could never figure that one out on your =20 own!! ;-)" No that was too hard ;) I thought you had some kinda timestreching in = there. Mobius calls time stretching Pitch shifting actually. So I was a bit confused by that. "Yes, I never use it. Instead I use Rate Shift which I think sounds =20 cooler because it also changes the loop length, as with old-school =20 samplers. This gives you a nice rhythmic palette to play with as well." I use it a lot actually and I am really looking forward to the final version. Greetings Jens -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- Von: Per Boysen [mailto:perboysen@gmail.com]=20 Gesendet: Samstag, 23. Juni 2007 16:40 An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Betreff: Re: AW: Walk-through tutorial for Bidule as VST host in Windows (was: Re: bidule) On 23 jun 2007, at 15.46, Jens Wolters wrote: > But what if you want the effects in a row and bypass some of those =20 > effects ? > (like on a normal pedal board) Not possible with this Audio Switcher trick. What I do is to set up =20 another copy of the chain but with one effect changed. Gives the same =20 result in praxis. You can probably cable it up in Biduel, I just have =20 not researched how to do it because I don't need it. > 2) What is this pitch shifter plugin? It shifts the pitch! (bet you could never figure that one out on your =20 own!! ;-) > Would be great to have something I > could do realtime timestreching with. Time-stretching is not the same process as Pitch-shifting. > The Mobius timestreching has a bad > timing right now. Yes, I never use it. Instead I use Rate Shift which I think sounds =20 cooler because it also changes the loop length, as with old-school =20 samplers. This gives you a nice rhythmic palette to play with as well. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 23 16:56:56 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 031DF3C0AD; Sat, 23 Jun 2007 16:56:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2007 12:56:52 EDT Subject: Re: AW: Zappa, and homework for the weekend. To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_c96.12847d4b.33aeaad4_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 293 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71605 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2007 16:56:55 +0000 (UTC) --part1_c96.12847d4b.33aeaad4_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 6/23/07 5:29:40 AM, rs@moinlabs.de writes: > Don't these > Americans ever learn a single (foreign) language in their lifes? > 9.....:) www.ct-collective.com http://mysite.verizon.net/vzepmeci/ http://www.myspace.com/klobuchar11 ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. --part1_c96.12847d4b.33aeaad4_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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See what's=20= free at http://www.aol.com. --part1_c96.12847d4b.33aeaad4_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 23 16:59:59 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3EDCF3C0BB; Sat, 23 Jun 2007 16:59:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2007 12:59:21 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Mech Subject: Re: Walk-through tutorial for Bidule as VST host in Windows (was: Re: bidule) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71606 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2007 16:59:59 +0000 (UTC) At 12:39 PM +0200 6/23/07, Per Boysen wrote: > >I'm copying this to the Loopers Delight so anyone else also >interested in Bidule can pick up on it. Here's a screen shot: >http://www.looproom.com/bilder/bidule2007ff400.JPG Thanks for posting this walkthrough, Per! I haven't yet had the guts to take the plunge this far into Bidule (still merely using it as a MIDI processor). I'm in the middle of composing yet another setup revision, however, so maybe I should revisit this. One question, though: how are you finding the typical CPU usage on your setup? In particular, I know you've not worked a great deal with Live 6 (which is what I've been standardized upon, but 99% of its function is dedicated solely to plug-in hosting and signal routing). From what you remember back when you *did* use Ableton, would you say that your current setup is more or less CPU intensive than that? Thanks! --m. -- _____ "I want to keep you alive so there is always the possibility of murder... later" From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 23 17:56:42 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 05D7D3C0A6; Sat, 23 Jun 2007 17:56:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=XPs9qOZnCsKRG2vr1PsRCkZXR16tIiyknKFWACxouV2kiix24LtTdhsZ9Tyz56CxKxqCkFQbqr2PlfTIargc7PvQ09YctWK0/4uh6Kn91unYA42cRxvYkW2uqB48+RN4EuJXHxLPSQqdjt6JWYv64fZYilq9bSdvQfACa8rglb0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=J3ExJCQl/uG9OzkEKPpquMRTWz7E0P3FoRsQuGNw1cQcW2SB/TLchPao9IRXWEuHIoPcjVBE1k5Pv40EBc0Pk9CKAlLQVNih/LLO34zZ3MGUexBWHtwHOjl9cU1kayr4+qn7QKMrp9vywXPGJcwOFhnCO1abFd/2RqtPAa218Zw= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Walk-through tutorial for Bidule as VST host in Windows (was: Re: bidule) Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2007 19:56:30 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71607 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2007 17:56:41 +0000 (UTC) On 23 jun 2007, at 18.59, Mech wrote: > One question, though: how are you finding the typical CPU usage on > your setup? In particular, I know you've not worked a great deal > with Live 6 (which is what I've been standardized upon, but 99% of > its function is dedicated solely to plug-in hosting and signal > routing). From what you remember back when you *did* use Ableton, > would you say that your current setup is more or less CPU intensive > than that? I'm using Ableton Live 6 on a regular basis, although not any more for live looping. I teach it to students privately and at the music university and have also reviewed it for a computer music magazine which gave me a golden opportunity to put time into testing in depth. On my multi processor computer Live 6 is very low on CPU usage, but since I do the looping on a single processor PC that advantage is not for me to be counted in. Speaking single processor laptops (I use Live 6 on both G4 Mac and Centrino PC lappies) I'd say my Bidule setup is a lot more CPU friendly. The Bidule set-up goes up to 46-50 percent of the 2GHz CPI according to Bidule's CPU meter. But I have indeed spent a couple of days lately to set up a looping rig on my G4 Powerbook with Live 6 and Augustus Loop, just to keep handy as a back- up system if the Mobius PC should go belly up at a concert. I managed to duplicate many of the Mobius/EDP functions I like (by using MIDI clips to send the commands into AL) but it sounds rather different than Mobius. The two reasons I prefer Bidule before Live as a Mobius host are (1) the less CPU demanding Audio Switcher Trick (see other post) and (2) the superior sync system when running Mobius VST as the sync master to slaved tempo dependent VST effects. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 23 18:27:50 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B61A93C0BD; Sat, 23 Jun 2007 18:27:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <000c01c7b5c4$d65ec120$6845fea9@w5f0n1> From: "rc_firth" To: Subject: Boomerang - Rang III Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2007 19:32:20 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0009_01C7B5CD.37382CE0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71608 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2007 18:27:50 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0009_01C7B5CD.37382CE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Anyone noticed this on Musicians Friend? http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/Boomerang-III-E156-Phrase-SamplerL= ooper?sku=3D152266 No photos yet, and nothing on the Boomerang website, as far as I can = see. Spec & price sound good. ------=_NextPart_000_0009_01C7B5CD.37382CE0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Anyone noticed this on Musicians=20 Friend?

http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/Boomer= ang-III-E156-Phrase-SamplerLooper?sku=3D152266

No photos yet, and nothing on the = Boomerang=20 website, as far as I can see.

Spec & price sound=20 good.
------=_NextPart_000_0009_01C7B5CD.37382CE0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 23 18:32:08 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7E3D93C0C1; Sat, 23 Jun 2007 18:32:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-YMail-OSG: 6VTRr0QVM1nwdbFgYc5IqjK_NJHR_XG69Dx0GwAlDq19gmtDT5_X7MxHxQ8tmMh83INkme2R6bsVutSuA0uDnXexTQmp4DVASGOsnMAtkuLppxlS8Q-- Message-ID: <000701c7b5c4$c79c1160$4101a8c0@MICHAELPLISHKA> From: "Michael Plishka" To: References: <000c01c7b5c4$d65ec120$6845fea9@w5f0n1> Subject: Re: Boomerang - Rang III Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2007 13:31:53 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0004_01C7B59A.DCA413C0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71609 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2007 18:32:08 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01C7B59A.DCA413C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Wonder what's meant by "layers"; if it means overdub, 3 layers is kinda = shabby... ----- Original Message -----=20 From: rc_firth=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Saturday, June 23, 2007 1:32 PM Subject: Boomerang - Rang III Anyone noticed this on Musicians Friend? = http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/Boomerang-III-E156-Phrase-SamplerL= ooper?sku=3D152266 No photos yet, and nothing on the Boomerang website, as far as I can = see. Spec & price sound good. ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01C7B59A.DCA413C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Wonder what's meant by "layers"; if it = means=20 overdub, 3 layers is kinda shabby...

----- Original Message -----
From:=20 rc_firth

To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20

Sent: Saturday, June 23, 2007 = 1:32=20 PM

Subject: Boomerang - Rang = III

Anyone noticed this on Musicians=20 Friend?

http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/Boomer= ang-III-E156-Phrase-SamplerLooper?sku=3D152266

No photos yet, and nothing on the = Boomerang=20 website, as far as I can see.

Spec & price sound=20 good.

------=_NextPart_000_0004_01C7B59A.DCA413C0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 23 18:35:12 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 24AB53C0CA; Sat, 23 Jun 2007 18:35:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=OawmOr36zEOjMleAS80fI+71H8F5jtyRGGh/F1iRkDYz8QWwWS3EjpEANgs3/Lg0lkOQNjvFMgUB1YwSLNhnuLgvm78P8oEfcztyMoIep3rO7BDOWtNBaQjhzl98KVfTXzo16ey2ohAGZM93zUQdbuDoqDJlC2n6mlm0YQzFq8E= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=MHXFK1Vz6AsFQBxnR1OTvVHWOPDpB4H2qG54uoJ9Fa88X09wirf/ST3UwRU2g5g1x7Th0vq365bFFSa5DW1A7xO6p2ANjnHQdlqTFvDTLpq0x+IxCbfzuswvO21BfxzQsWedkF6FZBH7VU584TVnEy+oNJnQUWkFo+5nWg2uuvU= Message-ID: <4cf76a0b0706231135k2e2f81cya2e64ab4e5b0c75b@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2007 11:35:10 -0700 From: "miles ward" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: .dll windows vst's in osX? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71610 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2007 18:35:12 +0000 (UTC) Anyone know a way of making that work? Thanks! -- ---Miles Ward From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 23 18:58:47 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 916CB3C0CE; Sat, 23 Jun 2007 18:58:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=NrBpcUoHZVGITT7v4h0YV3beekUhjp+mDLO+PgJu5S+20JMAWuNzjrhUAAjwh3XCw3AFmKQnMGAuuk2GKO7TDkG3W1i9cnRIQDJkzhUVPMBJD00cAS/Pkvr+55caE2hqOYTnn0uvFPSJQPNvcYx62GUQd1tesqqN1RyRHgoIo2I= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=LmIiniVR/aRkZGSMo0TpSs362CaFlDH1qLEtcZ6odGnw5Rbukcl/59gUFInkURTmxlq+1OR7xkr19wqzFBdunf51KU3UQwK0Fv9pjoNCjnriqY2IgW844fm78XEIH+7Wlv0lgUuRDEPy1oxx7cFhIRsNnY4wce3fwOgiZWptl0Y= Message-ID: Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2007 13:58:46 -0500 From: "Kelly Coyle" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Boomerang - Rang III In-Reply-To: <000701c7b5c4$c79c1160$4101a8c0@MICHAELPLISHKA> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_174795_8667558.1182625126410" References: <000c01c7b5c4$d65ec120$6845fea9@w5f0n1> <000701c7b5c4$c79c1160$4101a8c0@MICHAELPLISHKA> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71611 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2007 18:58:47 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_174795_8667558.1182625126410 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline I was corresponding with Mike Nelson last week. Boomerang(R) III Phrase Sampler (E-156) List price is $539. This little power house records in true stereo (or mono), has over 17 minutes of recording time in mono and 6 independent loops that can be played sequentially (verse/chorus/bridge use) or simultaneously. In the latter mode the loops may be synched or played totally independent from each other. After the primary loop is recorded, there are 3 additional "layers" that can be recorded. The layers can be silenced, played or re-recorded. Additional material may be stacked on (added to) any of the layers. This provides an undo/redo capability. The user can assign a number of interesting and useful functions to a "Bonus" button. We anticipate having the following functions, and possibly more: loop extend, loop copy, reverse lead live, auto fade out, metronome with loop quantize, octave down effect (for bass line creation), reverse playback and layer merging (combine all layers to free up memory). There will be selectable sample rates, a variety of signal routing options and a pedal linking system so multiple units can be synched. We will insure that the pedal is easy to operate and as intuitive as the current one, but it will be deeper if you want to explore the new features. There is no foot roller as on the Rang(TM) Plus; volume will be controlled by an external expression pedal. There will be no MIDI or USB connectivity, and no permanent storage of loops. On 6/23/07, Michael Plishka wrote: > > Wonder what's meant by "layers"; if it means overdub, 3 layers is kinda > shabby... > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* rc_firth > *To:* Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > *Sent:* Saturday, June 23, 2007 1:32 PM > *Subject:* Boomerang - Rang III > > Anyone noticed this on Musicians Friend? > > > http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/Boomerang-III-E156-Phrase-SamplerLooper?sku=152266 > > No photos yet, and nothing on the Boomerang website, as far as I can see. > > Spec & price sound good. > > ------=_Part_174795_8667558.1182625126410 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline I was corresponding with Mike Nelson last week.

Boomerang(R) III Phrase Sampler (E-156) List price is $539.
This little power house records in true stereo (or mono), has over
17 minutes of recording time in mono and 6 independent loops that can be
played sequentially (verse/chorus/bridge use) or simultaneously. In the
latter mode the loops may be synched or played totally independent from
each other.
After the primary loop is recorded, there are 3 additional "layers"
that can be recorded. The layers can be silenced, played or re-recorded.
Additional material may be stacked on (added to) any of the layers. This
provides an undo/redo capability.
The user can assign a number of interesting and useful functions to
a "Bonus" button. We anticipate having the following functions, and
possibly more: loop extend, loop copy, reverse lead live, auto fade out,
metronome with loop quantize, octave down effect (for bass line
creation), reverse playback and layer merging (combine all layers to
free up memory).
There will be selectable sample rates, a variety of signal routing
options and a pedal linking system so multiple units can be synched.
We will insure that the pedal is easy to operate and as intuitive as
the current one, but it will be deeper if you want to explore the new
features.
There is no foot roller as on the Rang(TM) Plus; volume will be
controlled by an external expression pedal. There will be no MIDI or USB
connectivity, and no permanent storage of loops.

On 6/23/07, Michael Plishka <mike@michaelplishka.com> wrote:

Wonder what's meant by "layers"; if it means overdub, 3 layers is kinda shabby...

----- Original Message -----

From: rc_firth

To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com

Sent: Saturday, June 23, 2007 1:32 PM

Subject: Boomerang - Rang III

Anyone noticed this on Musicians Friend?

http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/Boomerang-III-E156-Phrase-SamplerLooper?sku=152266

No photos yet, and nothing on the Boomerang website, as far as I can see.

Spec & price sound good.

------=_Part_174795_8667558.1182625126410-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 23 19:23:20 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 540B33C0D0; Sat, 23 Jun 2007 19:23:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <467D7323.1070708@addcom.de> Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2007 21:23:15 +0200 From: Stefan Tiedje User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.4 (Macintosh/20070604) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: The Artist's Right To Be Boring References: <849871374.1182357252304.JavaMail.root@fepweb12> <39E1E9C8-83C9-42C6-80BF-4E4A059CEF7A@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <39E1E9C8-83C9-42C6-80BF-4E4A059CEF7A@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71612 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2007 19:23:20 +0000 (UTC) Per Boysen schrieb: > I did a stupid mistake today: Recorded a studio improvisation as an > empty stereo sound-file. Oh this happens to me all the time, especially in concerts, forget to push the record button - but I am not sure if I'd call it a failure... Stefan -- Stefan Tiedje------------x------- --_____-----------|-------------- --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()------- -- _|_)----|-----()-------------- ----------()--------www.ccmix.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 23 19:49:45 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B4EE53C0D0; Sat, 23 Jun 2007 19:49:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=LQw4Va71gD3Hfr+3RAvPszCiKy0uj0CPqNwsoBDwjC4BmTh3JItOv9fs5+z4zkb2LiJVn6SBaz9VRrVOuvqWKZe1ZSVHgfXTDNFimQvxVllzr1HvPaBlOEmfoOvPwnAxLEqoESOhcSP4/U9qIFI+XDc/JpgrmruQKC8D9zhP7II= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=QRdxZJ1JcJE7+8IbQo+ddEaROki6/ZGOEuXsRKJjefkidCFkARdPvLDqPpO9WLfoRdjobnuJTfkWsd8uHTy7IrObNYiisXLwNZskBK/VUjZzcjAy7j9gtVT+gr5/DGgwg/Dvn8Bz6gk2a0bj7JlOzXjHu1Gogs9vMUHAwt7BY+A= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <467D7323.1070708@addcom.de> References: <849871374.1182357252304.JavaMail.root@fepweb12> <39E1E9C8-83C9-42C6-80BF-4E4A059CEF7A@gmail.com> <467D7323.1070708@addcom.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <201C0D06-E6B2-4F24-9E89-BBC11B31D975@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: The Artist's Right To Be Boring Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2007 21:49:34 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71613 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2007 19:49:45 +0000 (UTC) > Per Boysen schrieb: >> I did a stupid mistake today: Recorded a studio improvisation as >> an empty stereo sound-file. On 23 jun 2007, at 21.23, Stefan Tiedje wrote: > Oh this happens to me all the time, especially in concerts, forget > to push the record button - but I am not sure if I'd call it a > failure... Who says "mistake" is "failure"? p ;-) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 23 19:51:01 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 197103C0DE; Sat, 23 Jun 2007 19:51:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=BZ9r11q4sZZkqlY13084rEln0sYfPkTAFF3C4xVb2szxoRpO7qoCYGzvXk/QBx7t; h=Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:To:Subject:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Message-ID: <9248448.1182628260263.JavaMail.root@elwamui-hybrid.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2007 12:50:59 -0700 (GMT-07:00) From: stanitarium@earthlink.net Reply-To: stanitarium@earthlink.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Zoe show tonight? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: EarthLink Zoo Mail 1.0 X-ELNK-Trace: e4eaaa48e0468cfae77aa5cb369a9f3f9ef193a6bfc3dd4879a43d6387a3efa6dcf3427647aee9c8d81f49743ecfecf5350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.224.36 Resent-Message-ID: <8QTSw.A.wqB.kmXfGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71614 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2007 19:51:01 +0000 (UTC) i shall try luv her loops s >Writing from the Mexico City airport, I suddenly realize that I'm going >to be able to catch Zoe Keating's cello performance at the Great >American in SF tonight (saturday). Anyone else going to be there? > >(I mean, apart from Zoe?) > >Daryl Shawn >www.swanwelder.com >www.chinapaintingmusic.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 23 22:23:16 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 01B943C0C8; Sat, 23 Jun 2007 22:23:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=uHnZGqQVFUt0hKmSeLt+ZxoxR4wcSJzS3QHSLTqs7SAUSRmj75TMZu+Ha0ETCK6X2zpUpHoe7cZ86p6MQ8+b0bxwK1CR+x5RAjwKqbSsL/dcUlaSIUSwAobg/lVSqvJduh1NWBcrNkyTbVvfr3kC2kWE8Tw847a4p/1qxs5btMQ=; X-YMail-OSG: yj8FMzAVM1n4BCvu72OkfXfOR5pjapqdFQqkvbaWhy9RhhVcV0nzkA.BILOeTRgIWSQuLn1WiaDI4POP7huSIPhda757lktO3Gu4K8TiypyTWimg_zlElVzDDnVNnQ-- Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2007 15:23:14 -0700 (PDT) From: bill bigrig Subject: Re: AW: Zappa, and homework for the weekend. To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <576391.46599.qm@web32710.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71615 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2007 22:23:15 +0000 (UTC) howdy, as a Natural gas service rep in the Tacome/olympia area of washington state, I found myself entering a LOT of Korean households. The parents were gone to tend the family business, the kids were off to school. There would be one lone old family matriarc in the house and she always looked very intimidated. I first learned to carry a pair of clogs with me so I could remove my shoes at the door area, step into my clogs and honor that custom. Then I bought a couple korean language books and studied. Whenever I went to business that was Korean owned, I'd ask them how to say different words and phrases, then write them down. Soon I was able to greet the stooped elderly grandomthers in the traditional AND RESPECTFUL MANNER, AND ASK THEM QUESTIONS ABOUT THIER APPLIANCE PROBLEMS USING YES/NO QUESTIONS. AS SOON AS i ENTERED THE HOUSE, GREETED THEM IN THeiR TRADITIONAL MANNER, AND TOOK OFF MY SHOES, DROPPED THE CLOGS AND STEPPED INTO THEM ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE THRESHHOLD, YOU COULD see the apprehension just melt away from these elderly women. i am not fluent but I learned enough to show respect and gain the trust of these households to the point that when they'd call the gas company they would request me by name. word spread throughout the korean community and I soom found myself responding to practically ALL the call outs with an oriental name. the other techs didn't care and were boorish and condescending to these grandmothers and my small effort did a large service to our reputation. I have relocated and now work at a titanium wheelchair factory. I now have to pick up Ukranian and spanish skills as when talking about a problem with their machine, there is a language barrier. But you can bet your ass I'm going to learn. Not ALL of us americans are alike. (sorry about the cap lock) Rig --- Nemoguitt@aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 6/23/07 5:29:40 AM, > rs@moinlabs.de writes: > > > > Don't these > > Americans ever learn a single (foreign) language > in their lifes? > > > > 9.....:) > > > > www.ct-collective.com > http://mysite.verizon.net/vzepmeci/ > http://www.myspace.com/klobuchar11 > > > > ************************************** > See what's free at http://www.aol.com. > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Need a vacation? Get great deals to amazing places on Yahoo! Travel. http://travel.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 23 22:37:03 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3C06B3C0DB; Sat, 23 Jun 2007 22:37:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=gDUxm7rNtU1E/k18M6ZIImfvVAtbF8yZ4bfsIimswouVy1Vyl5KJlp3v96MUyA2BphXk7dysb6vOvOf4rjuk3OVHLH/qi0f+GzuFoTDfpA3K0zoJ/0C0GAVyyV8WbIZ0C3hi2RQli1900z/Od0JttvqfRTJ80KUYVs2/lcV9i4U=; X-YMail-OSG: AOJlvZQVM1kyjFxSpopZkjTT0kVbHmHYUPWpDj3RRmOhiXV9NcOy5VVwXTZASshaxg9ChfIOoIxv6uxJwRDaGb3_AWVSXpVHCLR1hmkWf78QNAsY7ktX8TMuxf2Abw-- Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2007 15:37:00 -0700 (PDT) From: bill bigrig Subject: Re: ZAPPA To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <280534.96525.qm@web32705.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71616 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2007 22:37:03 +0000 (UTC) Howdy, Apostophy and the cut Blessed Relief off The Grand Wazoo are my favorites. rig --- samba - wrote: > > I always liked The Uncle Meat album,ad the tune > Peaches in Regalia from > Hot Rats the best but the last 2 releases are > amazing,esp Yellow > Shark.Magnificent. You know Artis Spoonthang played > with Zappa.I'm ot sure > which recording. > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get a preview of Live Earth, the hottest event this > summer - only on MSN > http://liveearth.msn.com?source=msntaglineliveearthhm > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Park yourself in front of a world of choices in alternative vehicles. Visit the Yahoo! Auto Green Center. http://autos.yahoo.com/green_center/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 23 23:32:35 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7249A3C0D8; Sat, 23 Jun 2007 23:32:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=QNnKPhO0l2NsIvS+4NzABeRsWOMmQkv2MQkVYFGE5rgFWzI8iHRDWvWTmRFPEfRJ; h=Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:To:Subject:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Message-ID: <27334667.1182641553810.JavaMail.root@elwamui-hybrid.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2007 19:32:33 -0400 (EDT) From: stanitarium@earthlink.net Reply-To: stanitarium@earthlink.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: ZAPPA Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: EarthLink Zoo Mail 1.0 X-ELNK-Trace: e4eaaa48e0468cfae77aa5cb369a9f3f9ef193a6bfc3dd484c5c2db18a8d6f1bfbc55d5132bf6cbd0cdf93a589ab4c3c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.224.36 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71617 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2007 23:32:35 +0000 (UTC) gotta chime in... bought the 1st Mothers album 'absolutely free' i think it was called-i still got it-in '67 the day it came out...wtm(whatever that means) got to see the band a coupla times at suny binghamton. my fave is the 4 record 'shut up and play yer guitar'. frank rules s >Howdy, > Apostophy and the cut Blessed Relief off The Grand >Wazoo are my favorites. >rig > > >--- samba - wrote: >> I always liked The Uncle Meat album,ad the tune >> Peaches in Regalia from >> Hot Rats the best but the last 2 releases are >> amazing,esp Yellow >> Shark.Magnificent. You know Artis Spoonthang played >> with Zappa.I'm ot sure >> which recording. >> >> >_________________________________________________________________ >> Get a preview of Live Earth, the hottest event this >> summer - only on MSN >> >http://liveearth.msn.com?source=msntaglineliveearthhm >> >> > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ >Park yourself in front of a world of choices in alternative vehicles. Visit the Yahoo! Auto Green Center. >http://autos.yahoo.com/green_center/ > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 23 23:57:13 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E76EE3C0DA; Sat, 23 Jun 2007 23:57:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AswMAGRQfUZKgAATbWdsb2JhbACBSWE3i0Z1CwYVGAU Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2007 18:57:12 -0500 From: mwsmart@insightbb.com Subject: Re: Les Paul and the Les Pulveriser In-reply-to: <002201c7b593$a2dde6e0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Sun Java(tm) System Messenger Express 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006) Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_vSmFf4fBMNY1WlJV5lwAxw)" Content-language: en X-Accept-Language: en Priority: normal References: <002201c7b593$a2dde6e0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71618 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2007 23:57:13 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_vSmFf4fBMNY1WlJV5lwAxw) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline Actually, he's not really looping here, but playing along with a prerecorded accompaniment track and acting like he's recording it on the spot. Notice there's an ending that he didn't play in at the start. Great musician, but also a natural born BS artist. The Les Paulverizer was a control box running (play, stop, volume) a tape deck offstage. Take things Les said with a large grain of salt... Mark Smart http://www.marksmart.net --Boundary_(ID_vSmFf4fBMNY1WlJV5lwAxw) Content-type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline

Actually, he's not really looping here, but playing along with a prerecorded accompaniment track and acting like he's recording it on the spot. Notice there's an ending that he didn't play in at the start.

Great musician, but also a natural born BS artist. The Les Paulverizer was a control box running (play, stop, volume) a tape deck offstage. Take things Les said with a large grain of salt...

Mark Smart

http://www.marksmart.net

--Boundary_(ID_vSmFf4fBMNY1WlJV5lwAxw)-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 24 00:17:55 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 31D303C0DB; Sun, 24 Jun 2007 00:17:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=UvbGUDT/gl+p9TVTyodmVu+B8QdbfDJW3HyTnhURu1YKVD3SXBBKj1Qc76T8bgL7; h=Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:To:Subject:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Message-ID: <20067520.1182644273434.JavaMail.root@elwamui-hybrid.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2007 20:17:53 -0400 (EDT) From: stanitarium@earthlink.net Reply-To: stanitarium@earthlink.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Les Paul and the Les Pulveriser Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: EarthLink Zoo Mail 1.0 X-ELNK-Trace: e4eaaa48e0468cfae77aa5cb369a9f3f9ef193a6bfc3dd484c5c2db18a8d6f1b98750f8a85a73081676ae045857c2f36350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.224.36 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71619 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2007 00:17:55 +0000 (UTC) we've had this discussion afore on LD but i havent archive hunted-i think Kim let it be known that LP had a multitrack hidden behind the stage for this bit of showbiz that he is/was so good at. i have vid of him and Mary Ford multitracking live on stage w/ an Ampex machine right out on stage w/ them. s -----Original Message----- >From: mwsmart@insightbb.com >Sent: Jun 23, 2007 7:57 PM >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Re: Les Paul and the Les Pulveriser > >Actually, he's not really looping here, but playing along with a prerecorded accompaniment track and acting like he's recording it on the spot. Notice there's an ending that he didn't play in at the start. >Great musician, but also a natural born BS artist. The Les Paulverizer was a control box running (play, stop, volume) a tape deck offstage. Take things Les said with a large grain of salt... >Mark Smart >http://www.marksmart.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 24 00:29:48 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 395113C0D4; Sun, 24 Jun 2007 00:29:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References:

Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2007 20:29:12 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Mech Subject: Re: Walk-through tutorial for Bidule as VST host in Windows (was: Re: bidule) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71620 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2007 00:29:48 +0000 (UTC) At 7:56 PM +0200 6/23/07, Per Boysen wrote: > >I'm using Ableton Live 6 on a regular basis, although not any more >for live looping. Ah, I last remembered you saying that you had a copy of version 6, but you'd been out on the road too much to do anything significant with it yet. Sorry if I misconstrued that. >Speaking single processor laptops (I use Live 6 on both G4 Mac and >Centrino PC lappies) I'd say my Bidule setup is a lot more CPU >friendly. Argh, frack! I just wrote up this huge post addressing logically why I probably do need to move everything over to Bidule. However, before hitting send, I thought it wise to do a quick rough in Bidule of my setup and check for myself. It's looking like, for what I need, I'm actually seeing about a 50% *greater* CPU hit in Bidule over Live. And that's without even putting in all the elements I normally use. <*grumble, grumble, grumble*> Thanks for the assistance, though, Per. I'll try some more tests, but this isn't looking so good. I keep trying to move off Ableton to something simpler (not to mention more extensible), but I just keep getting sucked back in again. Sigh... :P --m. -- _____ "I want to keep you alive so there is always the possibility of murder... later" From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 24 00:39:57 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DE4F23C0DF; Sun, 24 Jun 2007 00:39:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <002201c7b593$a2dde6e0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> References: <002201c7b593$a2dde6e0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2007 17:36:39 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: David Gans Subject: Re: Les Paul and the Les Pulveriser Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - vps.gdhour.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - trufun.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71621 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2007 00:39:57 +0000 (UTC) At 5:40 AM -0700 6/23/07, RICK WALKER wrote: >What didn't this guy invent? > >Looping from way back when. > >Les Paul and his little black box.............the Les Pulveriser >in a video on youtube.com > >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=foXSXOAfB4U&mode=related&search= > I saw him at the old Waldorf in San Francisco in 1976 (and interviewed him for BAM magazine). His wife (not Mary Ford) was backstage running the thing. -- David Gans - david@trufun.com or david@gdhour.com Truth and Fun, Inc., 484 Lake Park Ave. #102, Oakland CA 94610-2730 Blog: http://logblog.gdhour.com Web site: http://www.dgans.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 24 04:28:13 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1CFB03C0DD; Sun, 24 Jun 2007 04:28:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: References: <000c01c7b5c4$d65ec120$6845fea9@w5f0n1> <000701c7b5c4$c79c1160$4101a8c0@MICHAELPLISHKA> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-21-341142370 Message-Id: <79BF909D-F58E-48EB-88E2-B3E6CF97A633@jamesrichmond.com> From: James Richmond Subject: Re: Boomerang - Rang III Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2007 00:28:08 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71622 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2007 04:28:13 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-21-341142370 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed > There will be no MIDI or USB > connectivity, and no permanent storage of loops. I was all over it until this. Jim --Apple-Mail-21-341142370 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII

There will be no MIDI or USB
connectivity, and no permanent storage of loops.

I was all over it until this.

Jim

--Apple-Mail-21-341142370-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 24 04:31:31 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0711C3C0E0; Sun, 24 Jun 2007 04:31:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <07999BBF-8882-4DA8-BEE8-1B8F1A7DC18B@kenaxis.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Stefan Smulovitz Subject: randomness Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2007 21:31:24 -0700 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71623 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2007 04:31:30 +0000 (UTC) Randomness is one of the main reasons I started programming my own software. While it was the imp of the perverse that made me choose that Marley bit at BEMF - I often use the many random functions in Kenaxis to surprise myself. You can setup files from a chosen folder to play in a random order at random times, hit one key and your files change randomly, hit another key and all of your pitch and loop points change randomly. You can also setup random processes so that things are constantly changing on you in random but controlled ways. Taming randomness and making it musical is one of my favorite undertakings. For me it is a way to vary the static loop based approach into something a bit more exciting - in particular when using prerecorded sound files. Stefan From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 24 04:45:08 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 128B23C0DD; Sun, 24 Jun 2007 04:45:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <041e01c7b61a$6ee0a710$9db1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <07999BBF-8882-4DA8-BEE8-1B8F1A7DC18B@kenaxis.com> Subject: Re: randomness Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2007 22:45:03 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71624 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2007 04:45:07 +0000 (UTC) I'm with you. Since converting to max, I have been experimenting with all sorts of random behaviors in my patches. It's a wonderful thing. With pitch, I like to make pitch change random, but use one expression pedal to change how fast the random pitch changes, and another to define the range of pitch (-24 to =24, etc). I'm doing this with modulation, ringmod, granular effects, etc, etc. I can setup my entire system so that patches are turned on and off randomly. Kris ----- Original Message ----- Subject: randomness > Randomness is one of the main reasons I started programming my own > software. > > While it was the imp of the perverse that made me choose that Marley bit > at BEMF - I often use the many random functions in Kenaxis to surprise > myself. You can setup files from a chosen folder to play in a random > order at random times, hit one key and your files change randomly, hit > another key and all of your pitch and loop points change randomly. You > can also setup random processes so that things are constantly changing on > you in random but controlled ways. > > Taming randomness and making it musical is one of my favorite > undertakings. For me it is a way to vary the static loop based approach > into something a bit more exciting - in particular when using prerecorded > sound files. > > Stefan > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 24 06:22:02 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DC69E3C0DD; Sun, 24 Jun 2007 06:22:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [4.246.75.229] X-Originating-Email: [sambacomet@hotmail.com] X-Sender: sambacomet@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <20070623185848.1E1473C0D4@arsenic.violacea.com> From: "samba -" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Don't these Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2007 23:21:35 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Jun 2007 06:22:00.0271 (UTC) FILETIME=[F91C4DF0:01C7B627] Resent-Message-ID: <1aRklB.A.u1.K2gfGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71625 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2007 06:22:02 +0000 (UTC) >Americans ever learn a single (foreign) language in their lifes? Yeah,English is a foriegn language. > _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail to go? Get your Hotmail, news, sports and much more! http://mobile.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 24 06:55:17 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8D3013C0E5; Sun, 24 Jun 2007 06:55:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [4.246.75.229] X-Originating-Email: [sambacomet@hotmail.com] X-Sender: sambacomet@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <20070623131248.3699B3C0A8@arsenic.violacea.com> From: "samba -" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Zappa/Fish Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2007 23:55:15 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Jun 2007 06:55:15.0712 (UTC) FILETIME=[9E7C7000:01C7B62C] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71626 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2007 06:55:17 +0000 (UTC) I saw Zappa on the same bill as country Joe and the Fish,Buddy Miles Express early '69 in Baltimore.I took a bunch of infra red photos,wish I still had'em. A had a ball.Baltimore Civic was a horrible place for music,a hockey arena with a line of cops across the front of the stage,and n coming through clusters of bullhorns suspended from the ceiling. I saw Cream, Hendrix, Moody Blues, Tull,Santana, Blind Faith and others there. How Zappa got into that mix is a sordid tale I'm sure.Truly a freak amog freaks. _________________________________________________________________ Get a preview of Live Earth, the hottest event this summer - only on MSN http://liveearth.msn.com?source=msntaglineliveearthhm From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 24 09:20:09 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 318603C0E4; Sun, 24 Jun 2007 09:20:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=Haq/J1k4d4gfEmI9V0ApARmxWhMHyFQqHARrGNKWuB3HWXkSiH7r6AwyJeyZiR0KV21MopW6lAW7hKYHYITfIqz86IPATRauu/CvhIQu8rJOWEaQ7uE4sdMU9FJhfGr8fTlRQHCwpHS8yGqrmRwpYKFW4nJvE6su7SzOazfUPQ0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=Ngo+qz0SRG6a/liF9MaIBvdjuBfaSHG1xqrJEorAkqUgu4ymZGEVlkJJnILd9dXfSoo0sCp9OIefqJvgGNSxMCjSH2nC6czFeUm7Zv+jRrglZeNiTNnkbTHZxqV9msc4TVTT5rc1xuyZZmUR8gzqrRhEC+OZPa63U2d/kLVSido= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <07999BBF-8882-4DA8-BEE8-1B8F1A7DC18B@kenaxis.com> References: <07999BBF-8882-4DA8-BEE8-1B8F1A7DC18B@kenaxis.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <51AE7036-B05C-460F-A6C7-1ED849A9BF9E@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: randomness Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2007 11:20:01 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: <5FwP3B.A.NdC.IdjfGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71627 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2007 09:20:09 +0000 (UTC) On 24 jun 2007, at 06.31, Stefan Smulovitz wrote: > Taming randomness and making it musical is one of my favorite > undertakings. For me it is a way to vary the static loop based > approach into something a bit more exciting - in particular when > using prerecorded sound files. That's a big interest of mine as well, except for the bit about working with prerecorded sound files. I have always wanted to implement randomness into real-time generated audio rather than prerecorded files. This started with hardware in -81 something but so far it has not led me into programming my own software. Related to this I'm also interested in techniques that allow the musician to instantly compose and perform multi layer orchestrated music (or maybe "lateral improvisation" would be a better phrasing?). Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 24 09:32:11 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B0A133C0E7; Sun, 24 Jun 2007 09:32:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=E53aJfslAB3KPU3h1p9GbQ8M1UoNoDkY9AZ2quqKZ89dKnDoaEflEVbl51oih9kzSUy2iVFLjMusXv8PmPvHXbRc0XggvSyOy8Hf5FFAA7PbPtSJYOyYmcaNAMWYdk3DfTgtyZ4vlKlxmPxbANwLVNlnf2R207DMOpmzOh4s1nQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=BRNfNN3E1eiPoEhFTaareoNVZQhvZVje63eUjGg98qNx0VILyu+X1RKE5CTrzpCbqMKi9zi/OccUNGhPfgdwZL7KWownAGgC2fbz+VERAG8KOQiQ7Lg+pY72Y8N3rHxY7hxT5iBXEnGEA8XqKbSOHbbRPcs6BRNw56sLcTq6En8= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: References:

Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <18D6A620-EB65-4E59-B2DE-14B66827E59A@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Walk-through tutorial for Bidule as VST host in Windows (was: Re: bidule) Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2007 11:32:05 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71628 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2007 09:32:11 +0000 (UTC) > At 7:56 PM +0200 6/23/07, Per Boysen wrote: >> I'm using Ableton Live 6 on a regular basis, although not any more >> for live looping. On 24 jun 2007, at 02.29, Mech wrote: > Ah, I last remembered you saying that you had a copy of version 6, > but you'd been out on the road too much to do anything significant > with it yet. Sorry if I misconstrued that. Oh no, you're memory is correct! For long time I couldn't afford the upgrade of my Live 5 license, so I kept using the temporal NRF license I had kept on a PC since writing a test review of version 6 back when it was released. But at one point I was lucky to get hired for a little more work than usual and I put some of that extra money into upgrading my own Live license to version 6. For my own musical pleasures I mainly use Live for MIDI sequencing with heave use of arpeggiators and random processes. I like to set up systems i Live that create complex orchestrations out of simple chord inputs and some real-time controllers. Kind of building "meta instruments". On my single processor machines I could only plan and envision those systems but not playing them with sound. Now, with Live 6 that supports multiple processors, I can finally hear them sounding on my dual G5 box. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 24 09:50:30 2007 Return-Path:

>> But he did in fact = invent=20 multitrack recording. <<

well, we'll never know the truth about this.... he = certainly=20 raised it's profile, but I'm not sure he was the first musician to = consider the=20 possibility.

(was it possible to perform punch-ins or overdubs with=20 player-piano recorders?)

wikipedia, disappointingly, has a section called "the = impact of=20 multitrack recording on popular music" which, instead of analysing it's = supposed=20 subject, just lists the first dozen or so well-known & commercially=20 successful recordings to use the technique; there's no mention of how it = changed=20 the business of capturing a single performance into this present ritual = of=20 "painting over" guide tracks & forever punching-in & so=20 on.

------_=_NextPart_001_01C7B724.E6987D63-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 25 12:40:32 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B4B763C08C; Mon, 25 Jun 2007 12:40:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Originating-IP: [216.113.128.239] X-Identified-User: {864:box76.bluehost.com:kevinkis:kevinkissinger.com} {sentby:webmail from 216.113.128.239} Message-ID: <20070625074026.6s3kzbzig4gcc04o@69.89.21.76> Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2007 07:40:26 -0500 From: kkissinger@kevinkissinger.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Les Paul and the Les Pulveriser References: <1BB076E4C332F9469148F41725F17A7203E918ED@MTVNE-EXCLUST02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> In-Reply-To: <1BB076E4C332F9469148F41725F17A7203E918ED@MTVNE-EXCLUST02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.3) X-Identified-User: {:box76.bluehost.com:root:} {sentby:program running on server} Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71656 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2007 12:40:32 +0000 (UTC) Quoting "Goddard, Duncan" : > (was it possible to perform punch-ins or overdubs with player-piano > recorders?) Yes, absolutely. Overdubs were standard. To correct wrong notes on the master rolls, they simply glued over the bad holes and punched the hole in the correct location on the roll. -- Kevin From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 25 12:54:18 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 77AC43C098; Mon, 25 Jun 2007 12:54:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Originating-IP: [216.113.128.239] X-Identified-User: {864:box76.bluehost.com:kevinkis:kevinkissinger.com} {sentby:webmail from 216.113.128.239} Message-ID: <20070625075415.1z79g7k7y8wko4ww@69.89.21.76> Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2007 07:54:15 -0500 From: kkissinger@kevinkissinger.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Recording Programs? References: <72F881F6-0060-4C8A-9983-54AFD9562305@bernhardwagner.net> <005301c7b70e$b1dd3d40$0207a8c0@eluk1> In-Reply-To: <005301c7b70e$b1dd3d40$0207a8c0@eluk1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.3) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71657 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2007 12:54:18 +0000 (UTC) Quoting Stephen Goodman : > 1. What recording program do you use? Cubase SX3. > 2. Why? Is there something you get from your program that you can't > anywhere else? In the 1980s my I used Dr. T's software for my sequencing. Since I =20 was Atari-based, the Cubase Audio Falcon package proved a good =20 solution because it ran on my Atari equipment. This provided =20 synchronized MIDI and audio tracks. A year ago when I modernized I decided to stay with Cubase because of =20 a small learning curve for me to go from Atari Cubase to PC Cubase. =20 Cubase SX3 has support for Surround sound which is important to me =20 because I prefer to perform in surround sound whenever possible. Though I have downloaded Mobius, I haven't spent enough time with it =20 yet to get it to work. I would like to use Mobius as a VST plugin. Does all this mean that I believe Cubase is the "best of the best"? =20 Well, of course not -- there may be better environments than Cubase. =20 For my musical needs and for a smooth transition from the Atari =20 platform, Cubase SX3 was the best choice for me. -- Kevin From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 25 13:12:41 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 52CA53C0A8; Mon, 25 Jun 2007 13:12:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: BreachinThePeace@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2007 09:12:30 EDT Subject: Re: Boomerang - Rang III To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-----------------------------1182777150" X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5366 X-Spam-Flag: YES Resent-Message-ID: <9s7TAC.A.hzF.J97fGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71658 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2007 13:12:41 +0000 (UTC) -------------------------------1182777150 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Now *this" is what I'm talkin' bout!!! A floor controlled looper designed for live on the fly improv. Who cares about *midi/usb bullshit? If you are keyboardist, your board can do *that. If your a DJ, your laptop can do *that.If you can keep time by tapping your foot and have a decent audio interface, you don't need *THAT. My one real concern is that hopefully it will be quiet. when it comes to an efficient & intuitive floor looper, the RANG RULEZ! In a message dated 6/23/2007 2:58:59 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, skcoyle@gmail.com writes: Boomerang(R) III Phrase Sampler (E-156) List price is $539. This little power house records in true stereo (or mono), has over 17 minutes of recording time in mono and 6 independent loops that can be played sequentially (verse/chorus/bridge use) or simultaneously. In the latter mode the loops may be synched or played totally independent from each other. After the primary loop is recorded, there are 3 additional "layers" that can be recorded. The layers can be silenced, played or re-recorded. Additional material may be stacked on (added to) any of the layers. This provides an undo/redo capability. The user can assign a number of interesting and useful functions to a "Bonus" button. We anticipate having the following functions, and possibly more: loop extend, loop copy, reverse lead live, auto fade out, metronome with loop quantize, octave down effect (for bass line creation), reverse playback and layer merging (combine all layers to free up memory). There will be selectable sample rates, a variety of signal routing options and a pedal linking system so multiple units can be synched. We will insure that the pedal is easy to operate and as intuitive as the current one, but it will be deeper if you want to explore the new features. There is no foot roller as on the Rang(TM) Plus; volume will be controlled by an external expression pedal. There will be no MIDI or USB connectivity, and no permanent storage of loops. ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. -------------------------------1182777150 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Now *this" is what I'm talkin' bout!!! A floor controlled looper design= ed=20 for live on the fly improv. Who cares about *midi/usb bullshit? If you=20= are=20 keyboardist, your board can do *that. If your a DJ, your laptop can do *that= .If=20 you can keep time by tapping your foot and have a decent audio interfac= e,=20 you don't need *THAT.

My one real concern is that hopefully it will be quiet.

when it comes to an efficient & intuitive floor looper, the RANG=20 RULEZ!

In a message dated 6/23/2007 2:58:59 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,=20 skcoyle@gmail.com writes:

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Boomerang(R) III Phrase Sampler (E-156) List price= =20 is $539.
This little power house records in true stereo (or mon= o),=20 has over
17 minutes of recording time in mono and 6 independent loops= =20 that can be
played sequentially (verse/chorus/bridge use) or=20 simultaneously. In the
latter mode the loops may be synched or played= =20 totally independent from
each other.
After the primary loop=20= is=20 recorded, there are 3 additional "layers"
that can be recorded. The=20 layers can be silenced, played or re-recorded.
Additional material ma= y be=20 stacked on (added to) any of the layers. This
provides an undo/redo=20 capability.
The user can assign a number of interesting and use= ful=20 functions to
a "Bonus" button. We anticipate having the following=20 functions, and
possibly more: loop extend, loop copy, reverse lead li= ve,=20 auto fade out,
metronome with loop quantize, octave down effect (for=20= bass=20 line
creation), reverse playback and layer merging (combine all laye= rs=20 to
free up memory).
There will be selectable sample rates, a= =20 variety of signal routing
options and a pedal linking system so multi= ple=20 units can be synched.
We will insure that the pedal is easy to= =20 operate and as intuitive as
the current one, but it will be deeper if= you=20 want to explore the new
features.
There is no foot roller as= on=20 the Rang(TM) Plus; volume will be
controlled by an external expressi= on=20 pedal. There will be no MIDI or USB
connectivity, and no permanent=20 storage of loops.

See what's fre= e at AOL.com.=20=

-------------------------------1182777150-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 25 14:06:43 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 25E573C063; Mon, 25 Jun 2007 14:06:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: <467B9D70.2070507@addcom.de> References: <467B9D70.2070507@addcom.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Josh Carroll Subject: Re: cooking music Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2007 09:06:37 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - chara.lunarpages.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - infinivert.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71659 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2007 14:06:43 +0000 (UTC) Please video this when you do it! I would love to see! Great idea! Ha! --Josh On Jun 22, 2007, at 4:59 AM, Stefan Tiedje wrote: > samba - schrieb: >> Preparing and serving food is the only Art form that engages all >> the senses.Of course the perfect music is part of total dining >> experience. > > I am actually preparing a project to literally cook music. When I > am cooking, I am improvising and I love it. Now my idea was to put > up my Ondes Memorielles and just record all the sounds which happen > while you prepare the food, they go into my delay lines, get looped > and build a nice texture, the sound of cutting onions, the sound of > the oil in the pan and so on. The audience will listen and after > all eat what they heard... > Unfortunately you can't do that for a lot of people, unless you put > up a big band of cooks, which could be fun as well... ;-) > > (I replied to this thread because its not labelled OT... ;-) > > Stefan > > -- > Stefan Tiedje------------x------- > --_____-----------|-------------- > --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()------- > -- _|_)----|-----()-------------- > ----------()--------www.ccmix.com > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 25 14:22:31 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A3A7F3C098; Mon, 25 Jun 2007 14:22:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <467FCFB9.9070704@biink.com> Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2007 10:22:49 -0400 From: David Beardsley Reply-To: db@biink.com Organization: Biink & SSI User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2 (Windows/20050317) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: ZAPPA References: <27334667.1182641553810.JavaMail.root@elwamui-hybrid.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <349e17d2d40cda4dd95825561f1adcd3@charter.net> In-Reply-To: <349e17d2d40cda4dd95825561f1adcd3@charter.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <1afC7C.A.BNC.n-8fGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71660 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2007 14:22:31 +0000 (UTC) Ted Killian wrote: > THE YELLOW SHARK, JAZZ FROM HELL and BOULEZ PLAYS ZAPPA were also big > faves. Love the instrumental music, Uncle Meat is another favorite. -- * David Beardsley * microtonal guitar * http://biink.com/db * http://biink.com/poole From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 25 14:41:02 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EC9DA3C092; Mon, 25 Jun 2007 14:41:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=avU6+wLD/4Ka/GIFtx29zwM5Rw+6PF2mwuNor5Ke+xLDV/e0XBcRNu4w0o2xnqAQXDTyiLobiLEO/zbAVBBxxMjqbfT6YIdQxs+c2MQRBwF6Mkdw9fLIoyjYG9TGS/fxZ/3FwXtepqymlkqpnQhi21edWtWoSiwsvvEZ5UZKrUw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=a1svJHCVzJOna29MA2ivdffB0+OTsdM5hldlIKlf8KDc8SiVNaHjqJUrMkMmJAON6ac94AlPaSnV7n4AUQyPZ4j5K9U/Z05xqC7djjBgHhRBDe8qoW83dxLmHf/jrCqsnF9XyyQsmSCndsHWCb9kKsve6C0Q2A+vzVxP74DQ7gQ= Message-ID: <4cf76a0b0706250741x7f317227l8b9e7ec78692e312@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2007 07:41:00 -0700 From: "miles ward" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: .dll windows vst's in osX? In-Reply-To: <75747E26-11F4-4F96-B470-4AB26CF514A7@zerocrossing.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <4cf76a0b0706231135k2e2f81cya2e64ab4e5b0c75b@mail.gmail.com> <8A6C5547-FC76-4A34-B7A2-6ED6D4AFAF2E@zerocrossing.net> <4cf76a0b0706241825k3d8689f1v972c5576e9363421@mail.gmail.com> <75747E26-11F4-4F96-B470-4AB26CF514A7@zerocrossing.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71661 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2007 14:41:02 +0000 (UTC) That sounds like Kenny's Heaven, just a warm sea of breasts :) curses! Does anyone know is it just a wrapper thing or are we talking re-code for execution on Mach? Thanks ! On 6/24/07, Mark Sottilaro wrote: > Ah, that's a beautiful dream... but like the dream where I'm flying > to a house where naked women are making me waffles, it's never going > to happen. > > On Jun 24, 2007, at 6:25 PM, miles ward wrote: > > > yeah, I have parallels installed, and I could do all of this in the > > XP, but the whole point here is to convert my life over the the cute > > little apple symbol :) Otherwise i'd have bought a PC... > > -Miles > > > > On 6/24/07, Mark Sottilaro wrote: > >> Well, if you have a new Intel based mac you can run XP apps on it. > >> Do a google search on XP on Macintosh computers and you'll find many > >> things. > >> > >> On Jun 23, 2007, at 11:35 AM, miles ward wrote: > >> > >> > Anyone know a way of making that work? Thanks! > >> > > >> > -- > >> > ---Miles Ward > >> > > >> > >> > > > > > > -- > > ---Miles Ward > > > > -- ---Miles Ward From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 25 14:55:53 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1BA7C3C06B; Mon, 25 Jun 2007 14:55:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: midifriedchicken@comcast.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Zappa, and homework for the weekend. Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2007 14:55:50 +0000 Message-Id: <062520071455.8735.467FD776000C07570000221F2216566276020A050C07080C0B0A079D00070B0703@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Oct 4 2006) X-Authenticated-Sender: bWlkaWZyaWVkY2hpY2tlbkBjb21jYXN0Lm5ldA== MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_8735_1182783350_0" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71662 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2007 14:55:52 +0000 (UTC) --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_8735_1182783350_0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Thanks for all the messages. Much to my wifes displeasure, I spent the weekend listining to the first 10 Zappa (Mothers) albums. Frank was such a talent. I miss him very much. Can you imagine Frank during the W's reign of ....? MFC --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_8735_1182783350_0 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit

Thanks for all the messages. Much to my wifes displeasure, I spent the weekend listining to the first 10 Zappa (Mothers) albums. Frank was such a talent. I miss him very much. Can you imagine Frank during the W's reign of ....?

MFC

--NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_8735_1182783350_0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 25 15:31:01 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 574533C089; Mon, 25 Jun 2007 15:31:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-SBRS: None X-SenderGroup: RELAYLIST X-MailFlowPolicy: $RELAYED X-MID: 612575756 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: Recording Programs? Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2007 16:30:57 +0100 Message-ID: <1BB076E4C332F9469148F41725F17A7203E91A91@MTVNE-EXCLUST02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Recording Programs? Thread-Index: Ace3PdPbtdKt5mJ2R7aknqNCfmKu/g== References: <20070625075415.1z79g7k7y8wko4ww@69.89.21.76> From: "Goddard, Duncan" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Jun 2007 15:30:59.0029 (UTC) FILETIME=[D48DA850:01C7B73D] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71663 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2007 15:31:01 +0000 (UTC) > 1. What recording program do you use?< vegas 4 or 5. this is now a sony digital pictures product, but was created by the mighty sonic foundry. I discovered it through using cd architect & then sound forge; the former was for a long time the only way to make real red-book CDs on a PC. & it was way cheaper than bias. vegas is quite a lot like sadie, & my band-mate used sadie a lot at the BBC, so it was a natural move. I like being able to grab a lump of audio & slide it underneath another *on the same track*, creating the crossfade automatically & then adjusting it afterwards. this just takes too much effort in any other app I've tried, but then maybe I am somewhat institutionalised with vegas' MO by now. volume, pan & plug-in effects automation envelopes..... I'm sure other apps have these things too, but they're all right in front of you in vegas. my favourite things at the moment are the psp stereo plug-ins, including a real-time goniometer. it's also a good multitrack edit/mix environment- I dump stuff out of our hardware (korg d1600) recorders as stereo wavs, then line 'em all up, cut, mix, plug effects in & render down to a new stereo pair. I do all this either on a dell dual-2Ghz workstation or under parallels on my macbook pro, both with w2k. my colleague uses a compaq 1.8Ghz laptop with XP, but the results are largely the same since vegas doesn't really do much with the 2nd proc anyway. & for recording, it supports a large number of h/w interfaces, though my own experience is limited to stereo recording/overdubbing. it's probably only fair to mention that vegas is also a reasonable video editor.... I wish more folks here (in tv land) had adopted vegas instead of the ubiquitous FCP, which requires that you export your audio to a separate app (soundtrack pro or whatever) to do anything worthwhile. vegas is a lot cheaper too. d. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 25 16:09:33 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 53EFF3C071; Mon, 25 Jun 2007 16:09:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: Recording Programs? Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2007 11:09:30 -0500 Message-ID: <3B760999C264454D82652640BB74075C3B7528@keel.sailpoint.com> In-Reply-To: <1BB076E4C332F9469148F41725F17A7203E91A91@MTVNE-EXCLUST02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Recording Programs? Thread-Index: Ace3PdPbtdKt5mJ2R7aknqNCfmKu/gABFveg References: <20070625075415.1z79g7k7y8wko4ww@69.89.21.76> <1BB076E4C332F9469148F41725F17A7203E91A91@MTVNE-EXCLUST02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> From: "Jeff Larson" To: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71664 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2007 16:09:33 +0000 (UTC) > 1. What recording program do you use? If you are looking for something relatively cheap with a lot of=20 active development, check out Reaper. http://www.cockos.com/reaper/ The nice thing about products like Reaper is that they are built by a small group of music enthusiasts that use the product themselves, and are therefore more likely to listen to customer feedback and incorporate suggestions quickly. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 25 16:22:58 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DAD5C3C04B; Mon, 25 Jun 2007 16:22:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <06fd01c7b745$15fae8a0$9db1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: CT-MRI@yahoogroups.com, Chain-Tape-Collective@yahoogroups.com, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Project MRI is Now Complete Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2007 10:22:53 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_06FA_01C7B712.CA3F9F50" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71665 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2007 16:22:58 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_06FA_01C7B712.CA3F9F50 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello all, Since its original inception on December 18, 2005, this officially = announces the completion of (CT) Collective - Project MRI. http://www.ct-collective.com/index.cfm?page=3Dmusic&albumid=3D26 (or go = to http://www.ct-collective.com , enter the site, and click on projects) All the songs on this project were based on a set of sample recordings = of a real MRI machine. The artists manipulated the samples with various = effects and audio software, using the output as their final composition, = or using it as a backdrop for adding additional recorded tracks from = various Instruments. Thanks to all the participants for their hard work.=20 THE ARTISTS AND THEIR WORKS 1. Krispen Hartung - "Astrophonic Dreams in the Tube" - 6-String = mandolin, Lenovo ThinkPad T60p notebook computer (2.0GHz Intel core = duo), Reaktor 5, Mobius live looping software, custom MAX/MSP generated = VSTs 2. Adam Wimbush - "Par le descendeur d'esprit" - MP3 players, Tascam = mixer, EFX Units, "closed loop" monitering/recording with Mac 3. Rizzia - "Mood" 4. Fastus - "Magic Ride" - Akai S5000 sampler, Korg Electrib R MKII, = Cubase on PC, VSTs from Smartelectronix 5. Fabio Anile - "Landing on Waters" - Synth, real time looping, FXS on = MRI sample 6. Tony K - "Doppler" - Cut up samples with Sound Forge and reassembled = in Sonar, FX by Waves, and free VSTs 7. Rick Williamson - "Avant Candy" - iMac G3 400 mHz, MAX/MSP, Pluggo, = Sound Hack, SonicWorx, Performer 8. Rick Walker - "May Resonance Increase" - Mac G4 800mGHz laptop = computer, Windows XP PC (P4 2.4 GHz) desktop computer, FLStudio = Producers Edition 5.0 software, Bias Peak software, Cycling 74 Pluggo = and Hipno VST effects suites Please feel free to add your comments at the site above. Thanks! This project will also be made into a physical CD for = manufacturing/shipping cost only (non-profit). I will announce that in = a few weeks. Kris *************************************************************************= * Krispen Hartung www.krispenhartung.com / www.myspace.com/krispenhartung info@krispenhartung.com / 1.208.724.5603=20 Discography - http://www.krispenhartung.com/catalogue.htm CD Baby Discography: http://cdbaby.com/all/khartung ------=_NextPart_000_06FA_01C7B712.CA3F9F50 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hello all,

Since its original inception on = December 18, 2005,=20 this officially announces the completion of (CT) Collective - = Project=20 MRI.

http://www.ct-collective.com/index.cfm?page=3Dmusic&albumid=3D= 26 (or go to http://www.ct-collective.com ,=20 enter the site, and click on projects)

All the songs on this project were = based on a=20 set of sample recordings of a real MRI machine. The artists manipulated = the=20 samples with various effects and audio software, using the output as = their final=20 composition, or using it as a backdrop for adding additional recorded = tracks=20 from various Instruments.

Thanks to all the participants for = their hard work.=20

THE ARTISTS AND THEIR=20 WORKS

1. Krispen Hartung - = "Astrophonic Dreams in=20 the Tube" - 6-String = mandolin,=20 Lenovo ThinkPad T60p notebook computer (2.0GHz Intel core duo), Reaktor = 5,=20 Mobius live looping software, custom MAX/MSP generated = VSTs

2. Adam Wimbush - "Par le = descendeur=20 d'esprit" - MP3 = players, Tascam=20 mixer, EFX Units, "closed loop" monitering/recording with = Mac

3. Rizzia -=20 "Mood"

4. Fastus - "Magic Ride" -=20 Akai S5000 sampler, = Korg Electrib=20 R MKII, Cubase on PC, VSTs from Smartelectronix

5.=20 Fabio Anile - "Landing on Waters" - Synth, real time looping, FXS on MRI sample

6.=20 Tony K - "Doppler" - Cut up=20 samples with Sound Forge and reassembled in Sonar, FX by Waves, and free = VSTs

7.=20 Rick Williamson - "Avant Candy" - iMac G3 400 mHz, MAX/MSP, Pluggo, Sound Hack, SonicWorx,=20 Performer

8.=20 Rick Walker - "May Resonance Increase" - = Mac G4 800mGHz laptop computer, Windows XP PC (P4 = 2.4 GHz)=20 desktop computer, FLStudio Producers Edition 5.0 software, Bias Peak = software,=20 Cycling 74 Pluggo and Hipno VST effects suites

Please feel free to add your comments = at the site=20 above. Thanks!

This project will also be made into a = physical CD=20 for manufacturing/shipping cost only (non-profit). I will announce = that in=20 a few weeks.

Kris

****************************************************************= **********
Krispen=20 Hartung
www.krispenhartung.com / = www.myspace.com/krispenhartung
info@krispenhartung.com = /=20 1.208.724.5603
Discography - http://www.krispenhartung.com/catalogue.htm
CD Baby Discography: http://cdbaby.com/all/khartung=20

------=_NextPart_000_06FA_01C7B712.CA3F9F50-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 25 16:43:36 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 631513C03C; Mon, 25 Jun 2007 16:43:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-SBRS: -2.9 X-RemoteIP: 80.47.40.39 X-Cloudmark-SP-Filtered: true X-Cloudmark-SP-Result: v=1.0 c=0 a=BYgNb4Wy9EyFjYaM-UIA:9 a=W-ECy2tANFZFVWV0frcA:7 a=NsoiFyVxVapoUwgUSlIApI7H6hQA:4 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AqNwAK+Nf0ZQLygnR2dsb2JhbACCGIUNgRaGWQEBPwGfVA X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.16,460,1175468400"; d="scan'208";a="3975170" Message-ID: <467FF0B9.9070901@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2007 17:43:37 +0100 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Recording Programs? References: <72F881F6-0060-4C8A-9983-54AFD9562305@bernhardwagner.net> <005301c7b70e$b1dd3d40$0207a8c0@eluk1> In-Reply-To: <005301c7b70e$b1dd3d40$0207a8c0@eluk1> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <_oqte.A.SXC.3C_fGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71666 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2007 16:43:36 +0000 (UTC) Stephen Goodman wrote: > Hi folks, > > I'm an old, old Cool Edit Pro user, and while I've been quite happy with > its multitracking etc., I look around and see what everyone else is > using once in a while. > I "upgraded" to Adobe Audition from Cool Edit Pro 2. Audition 1 was pretty similar to CEP2. Audition 2 adds a couple of features, notably support for VST FX and a "Master Track" so that you can mix down and add mastering fx at the same time. It also adds a massive dose of Adobe Bloat, which means much heavier processor usage and a long boot up time. I have Audition 2, but still use Audition 1. If you're not into midi, then CEP/Audition is easily as good as anything else I've seen, especially has it has all that noise removal stuff thrown in. If you're looking to add to your setup, I'd recommend getting a vst to DirectX wrapper, and stay with CEP. andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 25 16:52:51 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 76F613C046; Mon, 25 Jun 2007 16:52:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=silE2WmKKdfR604qEdcXzvHrWXL4H8lukdaTya9ZEoPXB40aTAbF18OONnbvWmFlxZ6MHNzhJFDI0HP6TZIRj2WLbPTWkYw1cy6uyWJe1mqIJVS/xuKFE2kerEMqcRhb1khFzJ78uD9YIe95pqhAW90etEYuvkTST9Cvp6Iwhv8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=MJHfDcScwZz74MLYkaHxlqSLac0NlIkwNTuQIeuCXNUtnpL3Rzxo03O4oele56kkSVsepap9f5h94brkSc0I7ozCSGba2/P45Mx5UgLNWLObu3xBuPH+YHlbn9shg9XX1SpfVAe0oqiRSFBz/ywZ+RqkcYARvP5/9B3tRSU+1ZM= Message-ID: <4cf76a0b0706250952l471e4744tec01a805d5fc85da@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2007 09:52:49 -0700 From: "miles ward" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Recording Programs? In-Reply-To: <467FF0B9.9070901@tiscali.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <72F881F6-0060-4C8A-9983-54AFD9562305@bernhardwagner.net> <005301c7b70e$b1dd3d40$0207a8c0@eluk1> <467FF0B9.9070901@tiscali.co.uk> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71667 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2007 16:52:51 +0000 (UTC) I'm a convert, from Sony Acid 3-6, to Ableton Live! 6. Used protools for mastering after track mixing/composition/dorkery on either setup. Haven't gotten good at doing the manual slices like I used to do in Acid in Live, anyone doing that? -Miles On 6/25/07, andy butler wrote: > Stephen Goodman wrote: > > Hi folks, > > > > I'm an old, old Cool Edit Pro user, and while I've been quite happy with > > its multitracking etc., I look around and see what everyone else is > > using once in a while. > > > > I "upgraded" to Adobe Audition from Cool Edit Pro 2. > > Audition 1 was pretty similar to CEP2. > > Audition 2 adds a couple of features, notably support for VST FX > and a "Master Track" so that you can mix down and add mastering fx > at the same time. It also adds a massive dose of Adobe Bloat, which > means much heavier processor usage and a long boot up time. > > I have Audition 2, but still use Audition 1. > > If you're not into midi, then CEP/Audition is easily as good > as anything else I've seen, especially has it has all that > noise removal stuff thrown in. > > If you're looking to add to your setup, I'd recommend getting > a vst to DirectX wrapper, and stay with CEP. > > andy butler > > -- ---Miles Ward From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 25 17:43:53 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 338D83C04A; Mon, 25 Jun 2007 17:43:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=L3nXhijiI/QhvrAkOv+eWMRJFcg43H9YmgrjpbRlVPYzVwmHgs+E/IYnvrjH2XXnfi9HYEtgoTVow8D1uh1Wa8qyZgTMb7d2bC3Y6+G2nX57AoN5mnDFlzwR3u3RLNLef9kAxH7ZRWKu+A7r9Xl721C0AyVmYa49XFjEwVXmFWw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=FGVSqB8otO1Zz5ICpXM7BB1UDcXBS64XG04yRxq3MFzpKUhVWMB8XnHka7ll7xpEQO59+sfPhoCjssR6FAv/8PGM4vVlIA4McqztEMkgpXJqL8uGDimPMTNk733K4tJAkV/7uNg94Vu7ModfPFALWHJI87Ljcl+5cVa1mmoAx4I= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <4cf76a0b0706250952l471e4744tec01a805d5fc85da@mail.gmail.com> References: <72F881F6-0060-4C8A-9983-54AFD9562305@bernhardwagner.net> <005301c7b70e$b1dd3d40$0207a8c0@eluk1> <467FF0B9.9070901@tiscali.co.uk> <4cf76a0b0706250952l471e4744tec01a805d5fc85da@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <2E83D1E5-F46B-47FA-BBE9-04160B395F1E@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Recording Programs? Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2007 19:43:48 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71668 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2007 17:43:53 +0000 (UTC) On 25 jun 2007, at 18.52, miles ward wrote: > I'm a convert, from Sony Acid 3-6, to Ableton Live! 6. Used protools > for mastering after track mixing/composition/dorkery on either setup. > Haven't gotten good at doing the manual slices like I used to do in > Acid in Live, anyone doing that? It should be easier in the arrange window than in the session window, from what I have heard (I always move stuff into Logic for manual slicing). Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 25 17:49:30 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 671D23C04A; Mon, 25 Jun 2007 17:49:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=XNY/QJpyQ53AW9wZG4pNrg4mD3kYnuEBVR3LA7cpAZ1GKP8+ZPyQkY7Bv/bHQ6TWiW4y7VaWRzzvZkPLfR6scPrq1H5aFMug12JWaPGwmfzPnSm65CrrKmIEkhARaKAVM5XRuW4b8tglQruUiNNJRXZRd13bSavuQEHXTLnRrFk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=OXOpsR/J/3Pru2oTmnDNUI2OQA7836evS+9b8i9mmIaQPBuQ5pA9CslskozkDvj/7/SvSfMA4MgIunMKeM3sW+cphXjeEt7GN6o2TL+yz/fRfGhTrtUfDH+naCFwvRhdDJdwICO2MCSMoEalJiRemztH5gvJyOHdnUNmvgSQ/sg= Message-ID: <4cf76a0b0706251049w16c5f0b0gc620ac6c7d70885a@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2007 10:49:28 -0700 From: "miles ward" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Recording Programs? In-Reply-To: <2E83D1E5-F46B-47FA-BBE9-04160B395F1E@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <72F881F6-0060-4C8A-9983-54AFD9562305@bernhardwagner.net> <005301c7b70e$b1dd3d40$0207a8c0@eluk1> <467FF0B9.9070901@tiscali.co.uk> <4cf76a0b0706250952l471e4744tec01a805d5fc85da@mail.gmail.com> <2E83D1E5-F46B-47FA-BBE9-04160B395F1E@gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: <_tZB-B.A.joF.qAAgGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71669 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2007 17:49:30 +0000 (UTC) Yeah, lots of motor muscle memory on how to do it in acid that's gotta be unlearned as I move over to Ableton... I'm used to chopping up drum parts down at the 64th-128th note level to remake new percussion parts, and acid made that _somewhat_ painfree.. we'll see after a month or two with ableton if I can get to the same place... -Miles On 6/25/07, Per Boysen wrote: > On 25 jun 2007, at 18.52, miles ward wrote: > > > I'm a convert, from Sony Acid 3-6, to Ableton Live! 6. Used protools > > for mastering after track mixing/composition/dorkery on either setup. > > Haven't gotten good at doing the manual slices like I used to do in > > Acid in Live, anyone doing that? > > > It should be easier in the arrange window than in the session window, > from what I have heard (I always move stuff into Logic for manual > slicing). > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > www.looproom.com (international) > > > > > -- ---Miles Ward From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 25 18:02:19 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D28823C021; Mon, 25 Jun 2007 18:02:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=O57kehglf4m5teEO5QCCxkB0P36a/7ZpZz4jSM1zW7cPxoR09eTl+Mclq8J4uEGKpuOmGVkZ7QguSthhfxOREPjoibB++tGTgtjpjmHZLI4hcmhI5REH+p77icU20S5NYU5EEbmFQK7Bi8RkJYmupaB4T00mqD4u5uXiI6bp5ug= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=Zqju1Q1WFdf2xP/5p1NxcQqukWsVLqcmfd3/5ZdJhnQlUS3iJSubz4cMmY5QZ6Hzrz38xtKU7vCUmbHoG1VlnZRr5++0YP55+ymzsUSySqhXg9sbHZOIqJH9P+Y1MHsbD80OFaQve4/Bl5i2QQD3vmOAkhL9vqENsUPt9SLfAuQ= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <4cf76a0b0706251049w16c5f0b0gc620ac6c7d70885a@mail.gmail.com> References: <72F881F6-0060-4C8A-9983-54AFD9562305@bernhardwagner.net> <005301c7b70e$b1dd3d40$0207a8c0@eluk1> <467FF0B9.9070901@tiscali.co.uk> <4cf76a0b0706250952l471e4744tec01a805d5fc85da@mail.gmail.com> <2E83D1E5-F46B-47FA-BBE9-04160B395F1E@gmail.com> <4cf76a0b0706251049w16c5f0b0gc620ac6c7d70885a@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <92D83C3D-B1A4-41D5-93CD-B89437073B0E@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Recording Programs? Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2007 20:02:14 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71670 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2007 18:02:19 +0000 (UTC) On 25 jun 2007, at 19.49, miles ward wrote: > Yeah, lots of motor muscle memory on how to do it in acid that's gotta > be unlearned as I move over to Ableton... I'm used to chopping up drum > parts down at the 64th-128th note level to remake new percussion > parts, and acid made that _somewhat_ painfree.. we'll see after a > month or two with ableton if I can get to the same place... > -Miles Ableton is not really targeting that kind of detailed editing. Live has this plug-in called "Beat Repeat" that slices streaming audio on the fly. In Logic you hold down the alt button while cutting a file to repeat that cut's duration, looped throug-out the file. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 25 19:11:02 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4F28E3C028; Mon, 25 Jun 2007 19:11:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=VzLDyeQPdJbvggjGyMY3qBN4QU64FmboKO+EJuS3gPZ/uXoeWPHTLVwjxERnM+YhHi984V/IYEg2nnIxebhMC5OZR6tBd/FqMY7Z+2ke5LLYTR4eKMHlHlYxlPAwlUDuJwzuQqCqNiz7YVaHLkWur7+7g6MsFWnwjLpYTOzoNHI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=fcaCnDZlg5JFnEEcT5wFghSI38L0wjG5iK/LMzDSyM2YB/LRx2e1dZHVFcgCsdWvd09fKtu/yaR+Lw+67hFcUey7uIjVDDV6AWtF7tOak7rpZO8m8QEnmQqheGc0zvIgQ9JG8ANRiu0K6zkhfGiYv1dBghGoWbgJkrdhLMcrbD8= Message-ID: Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2007 12:10:59 -0700 From: "Doug Wellington" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: 2880 footswitch In-Reply-To: <94def02c0706240635j7fcb51e0na1de9470f978bbfc@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <94def02c0706240635j7fcb51e0na1de9470f978bbfc@mail.gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71671 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2007 19:11:02 +0000 (UTC) On 6/24/07, Jes=FAs Manzanares wrote: > i just bought a 2880 and don't want to spend 100=80 on a footswitch which= is > doing nothing for my sound. I=B4ve been told the fottswitch for 16 sec de= lay > and hog are the same but with different graphics on it. is there any > reliable source of an schematic round there that anyone is aware of?? I have the 16 sec delay footswitch and I took it apart to see how it works. I didn't spend a lot of time on it, but there is more to it than just resistors and capacitors. Probably best to just buy the real thing from EHX... Doug From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 25 19:24:30 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 22C9F3C002; Mon, 25 Jun 2007 19:24:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=AvHEjWMedJVq2RHC/enlf7MLi5hEMIIG861GGbHAPPhs3aRsntbtIc64fiShYjnwJybhFB+81g+ZgQA+fxMeORZU6ZBRJXg/YJIqgOTzN5cnHYY2L5rNPEI/5vFwn+kXjGQMNH/cUn9pCWiurTwGJEZ6UWb1CaOw0BqY7rGFbBM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=PIMSctZJ4828lsYu25yUYhPI5xBEd6YGncTbn/a9vsHIJ6a+k9B6LC4GKEe6KhYaQtsHzmbIkme+4oF5Lq/uwvF1IHoNyVb6d8p9ZzEUrbpH7Qdx0yZ9b1jvivsvO9RdhB1lKe84ScSk5RLTgampkP1ztpxlod5XCuJfwnqCQdo= Message-ID: Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2007 12:24:28 -0700 From: "Matt Davignon" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Don't these In-Reply-To: <03c201c7b6de$13dfd6a0$0200a8c0@daw1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <7577A6E4-3B9F-44F3-A29E-AA3C885179FA@zerocrossing.net> <03c201c7b6de$13dfd6a0$0200a8c0@daw1> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71672 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2007 19:24:30 +0000 (UTC) Well, you must consider the geography - if countries were as close together here as in Europe, you'd bet that us Californians would know Nevada-ese and Oregonsh. I took 4 years of French in high school, but emerged unable to converse well in the language. Now it's completely gone from non-use. If I took Spanish I'd probably still know it. Somebody done wrote: > >> Americans ever learn a single (foreign) language in their lifes? > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 25 19:27:25 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 83FF33BFFE; Mon, 25 Jun 2007 19:27:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <94def02c0706240635j7fcb51e0na1de9470f978bbfc@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2007 15:26:08 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Charles Zwicky Subject: Re: 2880 footswitch Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" ; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-ELNK-Trace: e070562f4b6af5994d2b10475b571120abdbf0025ccfc36f7379d3703447509510da127345fe7d85350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 69.86.208.154 Resent-Message-ID: <1B-c3.A.ijC.dcBgGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71673 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2007 19:27:25 +0000 (UTC) While the original 16 second delay used a simple=20 resistive divider to send different control=20 voltages to the control a/d in the unit, the 2880=20 uses a microcontroller in the footswitch to send=20 serial data. It would be impossible to construct your own=20 without programming the proper codes into the=20 microcontroller. CZ >On 6/24/07, Jes=FAs Manzanares wrote: >>i just bought a 2880 and don't want to spend 100=A4 on a footswitch which = is >>doing nothing for my sound. IZve been told the fottswitch for 16 sec delay >>and hog are the same but with different graphics on it. is there any >>reliable source of an schematic round there that anyone is aware of?? > >I have the 16 sec delay footswitch and I took it apart to see how it >works. I didn't spend a lot of time on it, but there is more to it >than just resistors and capacitors. Probably best to just buy the >real thing from EHX... > >Doug -- =2E.. http://www.zmix.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 25 19:50:28 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CE5543C020; Mon, 25 Jun 2007 19:50:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [63.93.82.105] From: max valentino To: Subject: RE: Recording Programs? Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2007 19:50:26 +0000 Importance: Normal Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Jun 2007 19:50:27.0081 (UTC) FILETIME=[13D5DF90:01C7B762] Resent-Message-ID:

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Now *this" is what I'm talkin' bout!!! A floor controlled looper = designed=20 for live on the fly improv. Who cares about *midi/usb bullshit? = If you=20 are keyboardist, your board can do *that. If your a DJ, your laptop = can do=20 *that.If you can keep time by tapping your foot and have a decent = audio=20 interface, you don't need *THAT.

My one real concern is that hopefully it will be quiet.

when it comes to an efficient & intuitive floor looper, the = RANG=20 RULEZ!

In a message dated 6/23/2007 2:58:59 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,=20 skcoyle@gmail.com = writes:

------=_NextPart_000_003F_01C7B7CE.E6C16B10-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 26 07:05:34 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 408833BFD3; Tue, 26 Jun 2007 07:05:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Michael Peters" To: "Loopers Delight" Subject: tape loops, hugh hopper, daevid allen, terry riley Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2007 09:05:29 +0200 Message-ID: <009a01c7b7c0$615a9a40$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Thread-Index: Ace3wGC/Ga0UFcSeS+2AIErtzviQJg== Resent-Message-ID: <8zrFwB.A.zwB.9qLgGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71690 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2007 07:05:34 +0000 (UTC) Hugh Hopper's site has a youtube video interview where he talks about the usage of tape loops during the beginnings of Soft Machine, influenced by Daevid Allen who had learned it from Terry Riley. www.burningshed.co.uk/hopper/ (news section) -Michael www.michaelpeters.de From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 26 07:10:56 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5A07F3BFEA; Tue, 26 Jun 2007 07:10:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-SBRS: 1.6 X-RemoteIP: 80.47.60.225 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Ah4FAPJXgEZQLzzhdGdsb2JhbACCGY0HATegAQ X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.16,462,1175468400"; d="scan'208";a="4069921" Message-ID: <4680BBC8.6020904@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2007 08:10:00 +0100 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Recording Programs? References: <560441.89156.qm@web38612.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <560441.89156.qm@web38612.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71691 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2007 07:10:56 +0000 (UTC) L.A. Angulo wrote: > So let me get this straight,does the software itself > has an effect also on the sound quality? all these > software claim to be used in professional > studios,Sonar,Cubase,Logic,Nuendo,Protools i was Depends what you do with the sound. Just for record and playback the results "should" be identical. As soon as you start to process the sound in any way then there'll be differences depending on the software. (filters, compression, anything like phasing which requires resampling etc.) :-) to me, the more those companies spend on graphics, the less professional they seem. andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 26 08:06:19 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 612703BFD3; Tue, 26 Jun 2007 08:06:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=D8Uw/mGVBZRFbgk5x6ZoQ6WCPuxF9SXrNbLWUODcGU38Zlmuvj0rrDhMc9SEUU9C5mNN7OdO6PDVoKmli2fFDgCdizSnPu5WfGhs6iBhlC/BcxPpMgC6a5DcdX7S+8K8J8LYwXfrxKSAz2Ii9pk4umBtawVHT3idNQn4+ynsvdA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=cmYzHk2It2zxnVamS9sSOmmjYVguF90UuRzhLlodJ5WVEouSmo5ghfoTVbZ73LICP/aAJ6WldYI5stNBgBoY+J7w1CKa9twsGtKHZGIpX9Yp4XHbR4F8ip+f6CZx+mmcA+uhK/Pl2GkoMxfPiq8ja4tJ1ZjSFWSBgN452y5Wko0= Message-ID: Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2007 01:06:18 -0700 From: "Matt Davignon" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: Naming rights In-Reply-To: <000201c7b788$c33f76a0$4101a8c0@MICHAELPLISHKA> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References:

<457E9461-CBA5-496F-B6A0-C2D424CABAE4@gmail.com> <476A299C-DB53-4CE5-8C80-FE0A34EC1D29@zerocrossing.net> <000201c7b788$c33f76a0$4101a8c0@MICHAELPLISHKA> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71692 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2007 08:06:19 +0000 (UTC) That's my understanding of trademark law as well, though I guess how unique and specific the phrase is may also have something to do with it. A few other things to consider - with all the company slogans and songwriters out there, I'm sure there's a certain amount of overlap expected. I'd probably be more worried that a listener might think you got the phrase from the company, and that would change their perception of it. That happened with my quiet sad little ballad "Aflack Aflack". But for a number of reasons, I don't think you'd have to worry about legal stuff. Matt Davignon www.ribosomemusic.com On 6/25/07, Michael Plishka wrote: > Was out for a bike ride and an amazing refrain came to my head. I came back > home and did a quick google and there's a company with that phrase as their > trademark. My gut feeling (and the little bit I know about trademark law > from a previous job) is that I can use it since it's not competing with them > (and if the song is good they might want to use it as their theme tune;-) ). > > Thoughts? > > Plish > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 26 08:25:43 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6C32E3BFCF; Tue, 26 Jun 2007 08:25:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=RIL8smO4fOpQFJseovpfPiejsTyBg1ZHoJRbc++p5D/Z9uimRjBq5q++o5/kH8gTN1s9G4IOy/D3os9/S14RZEAyep7cNkkLziDdUyen6FOVgGci93QiBFKupH+26p+CA4B5Ti8kiwrc0OhoyZaQnAtYdkj8SdXdL1KBo0E7/jc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=ty6zYivwlUaJUaGKBWWYu6DqrROM+nNeNUUfPTsA4RaqguCXnFkhaM/DAPC5y/rqh0bXMC1x8GII8L2g2OZjOC0HmERP47RDXY8mynxPJvuENqe8olotVs2tZv6R5uTdcL7tEhQlY/zMs912smy1MBWouqghup//vdmwb3DXd1g= Message-ID: <94def02c0706260125u59496535k3fa0f7c287aac0b3@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2007 10:25:40 +0200 From: "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jes=FAs_Manzanares?=" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: 2880 footswitch In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_2534_29395560.1182846340554" References: <94def02c0706240635j7fcb51e0na1de9470f978bbfc@mail.gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: <0sWN1D.A.sEH.H2MgGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71693 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2007 08:25:43 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_2534_29395560.1182846340554 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline i have bought one, will take a couple of weeks to ship overseas to me, when i get it i=B4ll try to make it available to the diy community. i feel that = the way ehx has focused the issue is really annoying. while they may see a perfect solution with microcontrollers, maybe some would have prefered an option that didn't raise the price in 140 euros (the cheapest in europe). i=B4m really annoyed when companies are so intrusive and just allow for the= ir own products!!! sorry if i=B4ve made any mistake, i=B4m not english :P see you all. On 6/25/07, Charles Zwicky wrote: > > While the original 16 second delay used a simple > resistive divider to send different control > voltages to the control a/d in the unit, the 2880 > uses a microcontroller in the footswitch to send > serial data. > > It would be impossible to construct your own > without programming the proper codes into the > microcontroller. > > CZ > > >On 6/24/07, Jes=FAs Manzanares wrote: > >>i just bought a 2880 and don't want to spend 100=A4 on a footswitch whi= ch > is > >>doing nothing for my sound. IZve been told the fottswitch for 16 sec > delay > >>and hog are the same but with different graphics on it. is there any > >>reliable source of an schematic round there that anyone is aware of?? > > > >I have the 16 sec delay footswitch and I took it apart to see how it > >works. I didn't spend a lot of time on it, but there is more to it > >than just resistors and capacitors. Probably best to just buy the > >real thing from EHX... > > > >Doug > > > -- > ... > http://www.zmix.net > > ------=_Part_2534_29395560.1182846340554 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline i have bought one, will take a couple of weeks to ship overseas to me, when= i get it i=B4ll try to make it available to the diy community. i feel that= the way ehx has focused the issue is really annoying. while they may see a= perfect solution with microcontrollers, maybe some would have prefered an = option that didn't raise the price in 140 euros (the cheapest in europe= ).

i=B4m really annoyed when companies are so intrusive and just allow= for their own products!!!

sorry if i=B4ve made any mistake, i=B4m n= ot english :P

see you all.

O= n 6/25/07,=20 Charles Zwicky <cazwicky@earthlink.net> wrote: While the original 16 second delay used a  simple
resistive di= vider to send different control
voltages to the control a/d in the unit,= the 2880
uses a microcontroller in the footswitch to send
serial dat= a.

It would be impossible to construct your own
without programming the= proper codes into the
microcontroller.

CZ

>On 6/24/07,= Jes=FAs Manzanares <slipi.yo@gmai= l.com > wrote:
>>i just bought a 2880 and don't want to spend= 100=A4 on a footswitch which is
>>doing nothing for my sound. IZv= e been told the fottswitch for 16 sec delay
>>and hog are the same= but with different graphics on it. is there any
>>reliable source of an schematic round there that anyone is awar= e of??
>
>I have the 16 sec delay footswitch and I took it apar= t to see how it
>works.  I didn't spend a lot of time o= n it, but there is more to it
>than just resistors and capacitors.  Probably best to jus= t buy the
>real thing from EHX...
>
>Doug

--...
http://www.zmix.net

------=_Part_2534_29395560.1182846340554-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 26 09:07:38 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CC5823BFCF; Tue, 26 Jun 2007 09:07:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=J6oXiHsNazzTQHF0THCUKp4wBEVcEUGLERAGYTRnQzv6jPmKmsTy84DrEHYeQ9HH4xjVRTphcoNaBfB4nth855Zsw23nPQH8+OnUUbQP1bKiRBjr4yJGDEb35d8bOdS7D2mB0FwiJiz30dNUv9a4CajPejUiSOZE8Tl23Ug2MSA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=lv0bJ/pfBggdboIyQ0zPFNxFdbEN2cHpXPGqs7iUkoa7ShV3fExvSWt6+b/G/u1XQtJkeRAvt4hJyqZh9IBx+CGwGpnFFjuIYP+U5bt76/b/dI3WUn2Dkec0ShVKYDIhSoYVIuu3HI/M/HbBayUHLdc8dxqSZh0HV5NBUi0YZpQ= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <560441.89156.qm@web38612.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <560441.89156.qm@web38612.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Recording Programs? Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2007 11:07:33 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71694 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2007 09:07:38 +0000 (UTC) On 26 jun 2007, at 05.13, L.A. Angulo wrote: > So let me get this straight,does the software itself > has an effect also on the sound quality? all these > software claim to be used in professional > studios,Sonar,Cubase,Logic,Nuendo,Protools i was > always under the impression that it was the hardware > that matter as far as sound qualitiy,so does cubase or > logic sound better that sonar indepedently from > hardware? > Luis They all sound different. Not of course if you simply load an audio file and play it back. But as soon as you merge many audio streams together (as in mixing), work with panning on tracks or apply effects to finalize the sound. Even though it's all mathematics the different applications still do apply those algorithms in different ways. But you were talking about "sound quality" in your post and that implies that you think that some might be "better", which is difficult to say because the differences in delivered sound are very small. Professional studios do not chose software for "sound quality", since all these applications sound excellent, but rather for ergonomics and suggested workflow ("professional" means people get paid and then workflow has to be fast or someone goes out of business). And for some it also matters which applications their clients and partners are using. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 26 12:38:11 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 196653BFA6; Tue, 26 Jun 2007 12:38:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-YMail-OSG: r5dMu.IVM1kRA8u56MRMp22ABaYFIPpQ7cNToyQFvQykReudbcVRya9kPzSnl86lj0zC30cwwjayya8YtJz1Ss4P0NSOd6QEfhbnEKjnXmQEZvxAf4I- Message-ID: <000a01c7b7ee$d2b38bb0$4101a8c0@MICHAELPLISHKA> From: "Michael Plishka" To: References:

<457E9461-CBA5-496F-B6A0-C2D424CABAE4@gmail.com> <476A299C-DB53-4CE5-8C80-FE0A34EC1D29@zerocrossing.net> <000201c7b788$c33f76a0$4101a8c0@MICHAELPLISHKA> Subject: Re: OT: Naming rights Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2007 07:37:53 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: <-uRm4C.A.PcF.yiQgGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71695 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2007 12:38:11 +0000 (UTC) hmmm interesting point about the reverse perception of the origins of the tune. Thanks Matt! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Matt Davignon" To: Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2007 3:06 AM Subject: Re: OT: Naming rights > That's my understanding of trademark law as well, though I guess how > unique and specific the phrase is may also have something to do with > it. A few other things to consider - with all the company slogans and > songwriters out there, I'm sure there's a certain amount of overlap > expected. I'd probably be more worried that a listener might think you > got the phrase from the company, and that would change their > perception of it. That happened with my quiet sad little ballad > "Aflack Aflack". > > But for a number of reasons, I don't think you'd have to worry about > legal stuff. > > Matt Davignon > www.ribosomemusic.com > > > > On 6/25/07, Michael Plishka wrote: >> Was out for a bike ride and an amazing refrain came to my head. I came >> back >> home and did a quick google and there's a company with that phrase as >> their >> trademark. My gut feeling (and the little bit I know about trademark law >> from a previous job) is that I can use it since it's not competing with >> them >> (and if the song is good they might want to use it as their theme >> tune;-) ). >> >> Thoughts? >> >> Plish >> >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 26 12:58:33 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BB04B3BFC3; Tue, 26 Jun 2007 12:58:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: BreachinThePeace@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2007 08:58:27 EDT Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: Boomerang - Rang III (?) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-----------------------------1182862707" X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5366 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71696 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2007 12:58:33 +0000 (UTC) -------------------------------1182862707 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit "Midi does not only mean "SYNC" or "PC connectivity" but also "expandable". With so much functions, it might be useful to add a midi footcontroller. 6 loops * 3 layers with Undo, half speed, reverse, loop extend (is that multiply?), merge,... and all the classical rec, stop, overdub, ... pedals. It seems a lot of function for a 5 (?) pedal board. Ben." To me this is a fascinating subject Ben because it's perhaps a chance for me to understand greater possibilities from a different perspective . Can you give me a scenario where you as a musician might actually utilize the midi/usb facility of a floor controlled looper to accomplish an integral function with respect to your performance that could not be accomplished without the midi/usb facility with respect to this particular device? Of course I am not asking if you can do just anything additional like tweaking, that would be asinine. I am certainly not some anti perversionist on a useless campaign to stamp out a lack of musical purity. I would be the most guilty witch at the stake if that were the case. What I am asking is more so specifically why a single or primary instrument toting musician would need "more" from a device that is designed to specifically do one thing, namely to sample "on spot" phrases & manipulate them on the fly? I guess my logic may honestly be getting in the way here. In this sense however I seem to define various devices for their most valuable & efficient capability to me as a musician. With respect to this line of thinking I would sight the following logical choices or decisive similarities. Why would a musician insist on using a mouse to control their laptop's DAW when they can liberally accomplish a great deal more with respect efficiency and musical addition by using a midi controller of their choice during performance? Why would a musician use a drum machine when VSTI modules like RMX make them archaic and clumsy at best? Why would a musician try to turn a basic floor controlled phrase sampler into a load storing sequencer? Why would a musician bring 20 basses & 20 effect boxes to a gig when all you need is two (one for back up) as long as you use a quality midi synth module? Why would a bassist tote around an SVT system to render a big powerful mono low frequency signal when you could choose a quality powered PA, having true stereo for any number of instruments/devices within their performance repertoire? ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. -------------------------------1182862707 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

"Midi does not only mean "SYNC" or "PC connectivity" but also "expandab= le".=20

With so much functions, it might be useful to add a midi=20 footcontroller.

6 loops * 3 layers with Undo, half speed, reverse, loop extend (is that= =20 multiply?), merge,... and all the classical rec, stop, overdub, ... pedals.=20= It=20 seems a lot of function for a 5 (?) pedal board.

Ben."

To me this is a fascinating subject Ben because it's perhaps a=20 chance for me to understand greater possibilities from a different= =20 perspective . Can you give me a scenario where you as a musician might=20 actually utilize the midi/usb facility of a floor controlled looper to=20 accomplish an integral function with respect to your performance that could=20= not=20 be accomplished without the midi/usb facility with respect to this particula= r=20 device?

Of course I am not asking if you can do just anything additional like=20 tweaking, that would be asinine. I am certainly not some anti perversionist=20 on a useless campaign to stamp out a lack of musical purity. I would be= the=20 most guilty witch at the stake if that were the case. What I am asking is mo= re=20 so specifically why a single or primary instrument toting musician= =20 would need "more" from a device that is designed to specifically do one thin= g,=20 namely to sample "on spot" phrases & manipulate them on the=20 fly?

I guess my logic may honestly be getting in the way here. In this sense= =20 however I seem to define various devices for their most valuable & effic= ient=20 capability to me as a musician. With respect to this line of thinking I= =20 would sight the following logical choices or decisive similarities.

Why would a musician insist on using a mouse to control their laptop's=20= DAW=20 when they can liberally accomplish a great deal more with respect efficiency= and=20 musical addition by using a midi controller of their choice during=20 performance?

Why would a musician use a drum machine when VSTI modules like=20 RMX make them archaic and clumsy at best?

Why would a musician try to turn a basic floor controlled phrase=20 sampler into a load storing sequencer?

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-------------------------------1182862707-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 26 13:21:29 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A7C303BFB0; Tue, 26 Jun 2007 13:21:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-UNTD-OriginStamp: o/bIkQeVaBme+Zo4dBx9J3z9cjG/B/JJ2oEHsTjh/QXKgV8V+E29PCd1lQtTctgY X-Originating-IP: [67.150.68.45] Mime-Version: 1.0 From: "stillllscary@netzero.net" Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2007 13:19:26 GMT To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: Naming rights X-Mailer: Webmail Version 4.0 Message-Id: <20070626.061926.2619.0@webmail18.lax.untd.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative;boundary="--__JWM__J0667.0de6S.2cceM" X-ContentStamp: 1:1:946488095 X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 10.131.27.158|webmail18.lax.untd.com|webmail18.lax.untd.com|stillllscary@netzero.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71697 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2007 13:21:29 +0000 (UTC) ----__JWM__J0667.0de6S.2cceM Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain i think the deepest while biking roads that link the congested urban = areas of the planet to the tree laden hills of tranquill serenity....alm= ost makes me forgett my ambition to start a rob zombie murder family in = the hills.... surfing with charlie, danny/scary visionary ----__JWM__J0667.0de6S.2cceM Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/html

i think the deepest while biking roads that &nb= sp;link the congested urban areas of the planet to the tree laden = hills of tranquill serenity....almost makes me forgett my ambition to st= art a rob zombie murder family in the hills....

surfing with charlie, danny/scary visionary

----__JWM__J0667.0de6S.2cceM-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 26 15:45:26 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2AB963BFAC; Tue, 26 Jun 2007 15:45:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com In-Reply-To: <005301c7b70e$b1dd3d40$0207a8c0@eluk1> References: <72F881F6-0060-4C8A-9983-54AFD9562305@bernhardwagner.net> <005301c7b70e$b1dd3d40$0207a8c0@eluk1> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <3D3FCD66-4218-4A4C-8291-92696340E54E@infinivert.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Josh Carroll Subject: Re: Recording Programs? Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2007 10:45:20 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - chara.lunarpages.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - infinivert.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71698 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2007 15:45:26 +0000 (UTC) I'm also an old CEP user. I upgraded to Audition when that came out and used it quite happily for a long time. However, I have a Mac now, and while I *can* run Audition via bootcamp, that seems gimpy to me, so I broke down and bought ProTools LE with the MBox2 Mini. I like it so far, and since I rarely do any sizable multitrack jobs, 2- ins / outs works well for me. And it was only $250 USD. Not bad for software + hardware. --Josh On Jun 25, 2007, at 4:53 AM, Stephen Goodman wrote: > Hi folks, > > I'm an old, old Cool Edit Pro user, and while I've been quite happy > with its multitracking etc., I look around and see what everyone > else is using once in a while. > > A look at the TapeOp (now available in the UK, thanks!) mentions > Pro Tools quite a lot. But a look at the product tells me that > this is the kind of full-on hardware-software system sales bit that > Avid has been getting people to pay too much for, for some time - > if not also an efficient barrier to keep the so-called 'amateurs' > out of the mainstream of studio works. (Hell, it didn't work for > the reel-to-reel, cassette, DAT, VHS, CD or DVD - so now it's done > with a software-hardware combo) > > So much for my attitude! But it does beg the questions: > > 1. What recording program do you use? > 2. Why? Is there something you get from your program that you > can't anywhere else? > > Thx. > Stephen Goodman > * > * Cartoons about DVDs and Stuff > * http://www.earthlight.net/HiddenTrack > * The Loop Of The Week since 1996! > * http://www.earthlight.net/Studios > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 26 16:16:20 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4A6713BF8F; Tue, 26 Jun 2007 16:16:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-priority:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=gds+VPYfwXIhHmXjHSC1FHSUrJgl4vpxR/FJe13gPMEuJSo8Tt6Fs9JZsyCFvkJt9TdreYf5C6LRPoEAYDkc/HtUkQfOUM1KJ6u7+Qs4Z1c19CBJXQ+Bj/0aBggum9+nDNvFvyhIaqK2QZcjV153hmUkue7tE0zM0XuUycp5LDo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-priority:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=VCDUAW7ldjHMrcza+tHJqPwLSlOeltwPANGyb8BX2Ixa5Za3avy5SJVioM0Lhvp7Ydt/pMip/EwgxBQuF35D5yiDrSSnY+vyxntXu1KoGXSs02RTNlZ1TyuFKcvgXsBgZncEkrV4pL7ZLr0P0ZKxOSc2jf6HhKohXOk4zmAoe0o= In-Reply-To: <3D3FCD66-4218-4A4C-8291-92696340E54E@infinivert.com> References: <72F881F6-0060-4C8A-9983-54AFD9562305@bernhardwagner.net> <005301c7b70e$b1dd3d40$0207a8c0@eluk1> <3D3FCD66-4218-4A4C-8291-92696340E54E@infinivert.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <53DD979D-CB75-4333-B743-B29E80DF1688@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Recording Programs? Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2007 18:16:14 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: <9llPt.A.jiB.TvTgGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71699 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2007 16:16:20 +0000 (UTC) On 26 jun 2007, at 17.45, Josh Carroll wrote: > I'm also an old CEP user. I upgraded to Audition when that came > out and used it quite happily for a long time. However, I have a > Mac now, and while I *can* run Audition via bootcamp, that seems > gimpy to me, so I broke down and bought ProTools LE with the MBox2 > Mini. I like it so far, and since I rarely do any sizable > multitrack jobs, 2-ins / outs works well for me. And it was only > $250 USD. Not bad for software + hardware. That's a nice deal, Josh! Some excellent plug-ins bundled as well. I had the MBox Mini package for test review purpose for a couple of weeks and found it very price-worthy. For anyone that is happy with staying inside the Digidesign product segment it's well spent money. From square zero to "pro level on two channels" for only $250 USD. Very sturdy interface box too, a metal case that accepts being thrown into trunks and brought around for gigs and jams. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 26 16:36:04 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 11B533BFAC; Tue, 26 Jun 2007 16:36:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: References:

<457E9461-CBA5-496F-B6A0-C2D424CABAE4@gmail.com> <476A299C-DB53-4CE5-8C80-FE0A34EC1D29@zerocrossing.net> <000201c7b788$c33f76a0$4101a8c0@MICHAELPLISHKA> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <5A8A56D2-88DF-4B6C-B704-41040CC55934@zerocrossing.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Mark Sottilaro Subject: Re: OT: Naming rights Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2007 09:30:48 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71700 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2007 16:36:04 +0000 (UTC) I wanted to think of a cool name, but I thought, well, don't I deserve a break today? Then I realize I should just do it. Yahoo! On Jun 26, 2007, at 1:06 AM, Matt Davignon wrote: > That happened with my quiet sad little ballad > "Aflack Aflack". From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 26 16:53:07 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4376F3BF9D; Tue, 26 Jun 2007 16:53:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com In-Reply-To: <53DD979D-CB75-4333-B743-B29E80DF1688@gmail.com> References: <72F881F6-0060-4C8A-9983-54AFD9562305@bernhardwagner.net> <005301c7b70e$b1dd3d40$0207a8c0@eluk1> <3D3FCD66-4218-4A4C-8291-92696340E54E@infinivert.com> <53DD979D-CB75-4333-B743-B29E80DF1688@gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <28B4F386-E653-471E-89C1-06C7979A1741@infinivert.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Josh Carroll Subject: Re: Recording Programs? Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2007 11:53:02 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - chara.lunarpages.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - infinivert.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71701 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2007 16:53:07 +0000 (UTC) I thought so! The list on it is $329, but the guy at Guitar Center gave it to me for $250 with no haggling or anything! --Josh On Jun 26, 2007, at 11:16 AM, Per Boysen wrote: > On 26 jun 2007, at 17.45, Josh Carroll wrote: > >> I'm also an old CEP user. I upgraded to Audition when that came >> out and used it quite happily for a long time. However, I have a >> Mac now, and while I *can* run Audition via bootcamp, that seems >> gimpy to me, so I broke down and bought ProTools LE with the MBox2 >> Mini. I like it so far, and since I rarely do any sizable >> multitrack jobs, 2-ins / outs works well for me. And it was only >> $250 USD. Not bad for software + hardware. > > > That's a nice deal, Josh! Some excellent plug-ins bundled as well. > I had the MBox Mini package for test review purpose for a couple of > weeks and found it very price-worthy. For anyone that is happy with > staying inside the Digidesign product segment it's well spent > money. From square zero to "pro level on two channels" for only > $250 USD. Very sturdy interface box too, a metal case that accepts > being thrown into trunks and brought around for gigs and jams. > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > www.looproom.com (international) > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 26 17:00:19 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E16053BFA4; Tue, 26 Jun 2007 17:00:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2007 10:02:40 -0700 Subject: Re: f.s. looperlative and eclipse Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v553) From: Scott Drengsen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <467B9E9A.6080005@addcom.de> Message-Id: <0C9D895E-2407-11DC-833C-00050263BC96@earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.553) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71702 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2007 17:00:19 +0000 (UTC) Hi Stefan, I like your idea very much.This would be a musical crystallization of the awareness of sparing(one players movements effecting the others sound.(and sound representing consciousness)A higher faster sound when one enters the others striking range would be a simple example.There could also be ways to resolve the sound or soften it when "countered"by the oppoenant .Having very different movement styles would also increase the drama.Boxing has a triplet "feel",Thai boxing 2's and 4's, TOOL makes a very good soundtrack for Brazillian Ju-Jitzu. (Something I observed before I knew Maynard was a brown belt in that art).Tai Chi moves toward Ambient. As does (to me anyway) Chi-Gung and Shaolin . Sooo,maybe this can go somewhere.. The Wishbass is still here.I have no idea what the shipping would be.I'm in northern California.Please let me know if you're interested.I'd like you to have it. PEACE Scott On Friday, June 22, 2007, at 03:04 AM, Stefan Tiedje wrote: > Scott Drengsen schrieb: >> I don't have much drive to play my music to other people and I'm much >> happier focusing on martial arts.I have been inspired by your >> evolution w/the laptop and who knows what the future holds. > > Aahhh martial arts... > > It's not that far away from music, maybe a lack of melody but > certainly there is rhythm and harmony... > > Maybe that's what could get a piece, which is just in my head, come to > life: I'd call it Basswords, two bass players sitting face to face and > instead of swords playing a bass. They would do a sort of fight with > the respect that is common in martial arts. > But its not a fight against each other, its a fight on a different > level... > I'd attach some sensors to the basses, so they will send out > information about their movement, each bass will influence the sound > of the other, either with sound or with movement. The two players > would do a kind of improvised dance inspired by the movement in > martial arts... > > I am more into Aikido for its non-violent philosophy, but all martial > arts do have a core to overcome violence, its like with instruments a > matter of personal taste and history... > > I need some kicks to keep the idea alive, a bass player who is into > martial arts, might be it... ;-) > > Maybe for next years Y2K8? I'd need to find some sponsors though, to > get me over to the other side of the world... > > Stefan > > P.S. this would of course sum up as "laptop music"... ;-) > > By the way, I'd be interested in the Wishbass, the only part I could > afford from your offers, I guess its gone though, and I don't know how > to pass it to Europe safely and affordable... > > Stefan > > -- > Stefan Tiedje------------x------- > --_____-----------|-------------- > --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()------- > -- _|_)----|-----()-------------- > ----------()--------www.ccmix.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 26 18:33:31 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C79763BFA7; Tue, 26 Jun 2007 18:33:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=HBuqCvSgL2P7BovwJgsTR//DbrYunQFjnn/NCLMXh7VKrSuQgFROCd42qGw6wsTmE3ppmVncEeEfY/iCizFnh+krrCvEpYsLMKlF8R0TzsJpuZ/0W4Eh1O0SO8OcNS6xK2UObaU/zeOBQsMZkQcuaaT62HzEHlXUNZBN86qQEEY=; X-YMail-OSG: 4sFSDhkVM1lViTbmTk0o.D6Z1rY7EKsKmYcao2iKX4Zp.aLuWrRgjeS3THhFC32wSwZAZVE6dPDvHKDQt2F9vFLQA9p2NgwkXCCJ57gfFTKlvz1F.I0iGeKPYvfnMQY- Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2007 11:33:30 -0700 (PDT) From: rabbirabbifive Subject: Re: Zappa To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <701886.59819.qm@web60311.mail.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: <8mE8FC.A.QHB.7vVgGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71703 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2007 18:33:31 +0000 (UTC) I went and watched some Zappa videos, but ended up listening to the Peter Green-era Fleetwood Mac stuff instead...mmm...that's music...and ole' Zappa, bless him, just sounds like a wall of complexity and cynicism trying to hold back the world, by comparison. -rabbi ____________________________________________________________________________________ Boardwalk for $500? In 2007? Ha! Play Monopoly Here and Now (it's updated for today's economy) at Yahoo! Games. http://get.games.yahoo.com/proddesc?gamekey=monopolyherenow From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 26 18:49:19 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F1E133BFAC; Tue, 26 Jun 2007 18:49:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2007 12:49:17 -0600 Message-Id: <200706261849.l5QInHtT016820@minds-eye.org> From: "Kevin Cheli-Colando" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: kevin@minds-eye.org Subject: Re: Zappa X-Mailer: NeoMail 1.25 X-IPAddress: 137.150.33.94 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71704 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2007 18:49:18 +0000 (UTC) I watched Baby Snakes for my assignment and while I did enjoy it, I also realized why I can't really get into Zappa. Its not so much the titties and beer stuff that gets me, its the amount of mockery that fills so much of what he did. Sure, mocking disco people or whatever can be fun for a while, but too much just makes it feel like so much useless bile. I still think he was an amazing guitarist when he wanted to be though. Kevin > I went and watched some Zappa videos, but ended up listening to the > Peter Green-era Fleetwood Mac stuff instead...mmm...that's music...and > ole' Zappa, bless him, just sounds like a wall of complexity and > cynicism trying to hold back the world, by comparison. > > -rabbi Till now you seriously considered yourself to be the body and to have a form. That is the primal ignorance which is the root cause of all trouble. - Ramana Maharshi (1879-1950) Sound and Vision: http://www.minds-eye.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 26 19:04:57 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4F4DB3BFB2; Tue, 26 Jun 2007 19:04:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=KvPS5fjI1EmWtpAyV8RZO87sBJYLcSzBAejoute9RTQcVKS6gChZ/zZ1fwRWLiwGyr+CgnZ4PWZO5SvKzyovqBsEbtnvtb5taAAYpske/jDTd8AQ8EMt8bBe1EMtjA/IQEp8Cd+BssXdCx1fMuXXh0U8qCDeAvpR6fg5LfCWD3U= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=jrS1DKLJddstLULQghAjlw2CaQMJyWr/bO8MEgAfF1EqMftn756Bv/ZYf/TEqGzOJgdGHwKFAWpX/cE8S+IsJsJZIapNIQ/ERBk+MVR5Rta3FPWI2zpXyCqQb9XMvoCxsJtjZdGJeQKH5EgR2PPWNRebNntkaLS1O73ft5M4wuw= Message-ID: Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2007 13:04:55 -0600 From: "C 3" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Sunday Solo Bass Looping Gig - Lakewood Colorado MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_5054_28442721.1182884695298" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71705 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2007 19:04:57 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_5054_28442721.1182884695298 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Hello everyone! Just wanted to drop a note that I will be performing on Sunday July 1st at Las Margaritas Bar in Lakewood (Blemar) Colorado. Performance includes myself on 9 string MIDI bass, and Ted Cole on flute. Date: Sunday July 1st Time: 1pm - 4pm Location: Las Margaritas 6981 W. Alaska Dr. Lakewood, CO 80226 Hope to see a few of you out there C3 from the BelMar website: Sunday 10am-3pm We serve our regular menu with a special Brunch Menu featuring Huevos Rancheros, brunchiladas, Breakfast Burritos, Tradtional Breakfast, Crispy Spinach & Mushroom Rellenos, Posole Soup & Tortillas, Blue Corn & Cheese Enchiladas and Machaca Con Huevos. Cantina Brunch Drink Specials include: Champagne Mimosas $3, You Call it Vodka Bloody Marys $5, Corona & Corona Light $3, Draft Pint Dos Equis Amber or Tecate $3 ------=_Part_5054_28442721.1182884695298 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Hello everyone!

Just wanted to drop a note that I will be performing on Sunday July 1st at Las Margaritas Bar in Lakewood (Blemar) Colorado.
Performance includes myself on 9 string MIDI bass, and Ted Cole on flute.

Date: Sunday July 1st
Time: 1pm - 4pm
Location: Las Margaritas
6981 W. Alaska Dr.
Lakewood, CO 80226

Hope to see a few of you out there
C3

from the BelMar website:

Sunday 10am-3pm
We serve our regular menu with a special Brunch Menu featuring Huevos Rancheros, brunchiladas, Breakfast Burritos, Tradtional Breakfast, Crispy Spinach & Mushroom Rellenos, Posole Soup & Tortillas, Blue Corn & Cheese Enchiladas and Machaca Con Huevos. Cantina Brunch Drink Specials include: Champagne Mimosas $3, You Call it Vodka Bloody Marys $5, Corona & Corona Light $3, Draft Pint Dos Equis Amber or Tecate $3
------=_Part_5054_28442721.1182884695298-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 26 19:09:49 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1F0643BFA8; Tue, 26 Jun 2007 19:09:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Josh Carroll Subject: Re: Sunday Solo Bass Looping Gig - Lakewood Colorado Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2007 14:09:44 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - chara.lunarpages.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - infinivert.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: <9SJtqD.A.i_C.8RWgGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71706 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2007 19:09:49 +0000 (UTC) Wow, if I lived closer, I'd come just for the food! Ha! --Josh On Jun 26, 2007, at 2:04 PM, C 3 wrote: > Hello everyone! > > Just wanted to drop a note that I will be performing on Sunday July > 1st at Las Margaritas Bar in Lakewood (Blemar) Colorado. > Performance includes myself on 9 string MIDI bass, and Ted Cole on > flute. > > Date: Sunday July 1st > Time: 1pm - 4pm > Location: Las Margaritas > 6981 W. Alaska Dr. > Lakewood, CO 80226 > > Hope to see a few of you out there > C3 > > from the BelMar website: > > Sunday 10am-3pm > We serve our regular menu with a special Brunch Menu featuring > Huevos Rancheros, brunchiladas, Breakfast Burritos, Tradtional > Breakfast, Crispy Spinach & Mushroom Rellenos, Posole Soup & > Tortillas, Blue Corn & Cheese Enchiladas and Machaca Con Huevos. > Cantina Brunch Drink Specials include: Champagne Mimosas $3, You > Call it Vodka Bloody Marys $5, Corona & Corona Light $3, Draft Pint > Dos Equis Amber or Tecate $3 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 26 19:11:45 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 991FD3BFB3; Tue, 26 Jun 2007 19:11:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path:

= --Apple-Mail-1-568936511-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 26 20:04:02 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1ED613BF8E; Tue, 26 Jun 2007 20:04:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: BreachinThePeace@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2007 16:03:58 EDT Subject: Re: Zappa To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-----------------------------1182888238" X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5366 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71709 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2007 20:04:02 +0000 (UTC) -------------------------------1182888238 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 6/26/2007 2:49:42 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, kevin@minds-eye.org writes: I watched Baby Snakes for my assignment and while I did enjoy it, I also realized why I can't really get into Zappa. Its not so much the titties and beer stuff that gets me, its the amount of mockery that fills so much of what he did. Sure, mocking disco people or whatever can be fun for a while, but too much just makes it feel like so much useless bile. I still think he was an amazing guitarist when he wanted to be though. Kevin This is all valid, but it's important to view Zappa in context (I guess). Zappa was VERY anti stereo type. He saw the lack of creativity that a stereotypical society exhibited as one bound to it's own bleak destruction. He simply detested conformative mediocrity. He forced people to think when they cared enough (as you obviously do) to listen to what he was putting across. If you listen very carefully amongst the mockery there lies a definitive social cause and effect. At times Zappa provided a hilarious map of many a commonly traveled social road, paved with his unique satirical commentary. There were few if any musical leaders of his time that were more diverse than Zappa. I mean this with respect to race/sex/musical style/sexual; orientation, what have you. Someone said a few posts ago how Zappa would have had a field day with George the Neanderthal. Fact is Zappa would poke fun at ANYONE that was a main stream conformist. Be they Democranks or Repukingtons. The one thing Zappa encouraged was the intelligent exercise of ones liberal freedom and responsibilities. In other words he encouraged people to vote but never whom to vote for. ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. -------------------------------1182888238 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

In a message dated 6/26/2007 2:49:42 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,=20 kevin@minds-eye.org writes:

<= FONT=20 style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" face=3DArial color=3D#000000 size= =3D2>I=20 watched Baby Snakes for my assignment and while I did enjoy it, I=20 also
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for a while, but too much just makes it feel like so much useless=20 bile.

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This is all valid, but it's important to view Zappa in context (I guess= ).=20 Zappa was VERY anti stereo type. He saw the lack of creativity that a=20 stereotypical society exhibited as one bound to it's own bleak=20 destruction. He simply detested conformative mediocrity. He forced people to= =20 think when they cared enough (as you obviously do) to listen to what he was=20 putting across. If you listen very carefully amongst the mockery there lies=20= a=20 definitive social cause and effect. At times Zappa provided a hilarious map=20= of=20 many a commonly traveled social road, paved with his unique satirical=20 commentary. There were few if any musical leaders of his time that were more= =20 diverse than Zappa. I mean this with respect to race/sex/musical style/sexua= l;=20 orientation, what have you. Someone said a few posts ago how Zappa would hav= e=20 had a field day with George the Neanderthal. Fact is Zappa would poke fun at= =20 ANYONE that was a main stream conformist. Be they Democranks or=20 Repukingtons. The one thing Zappa encouraged was the intelligent exerci= se=20 of ones liberal freedom and responsibilities. In other words he encouraged=20 people to vote but never whom to vote for.

= See what's free at AOL.com.

-------------------------------1182888238-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 26 20:55:26 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 194BF3BF76; Tue, 26 Jun 2007 20:55:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at cavesofice.org Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2007 16:55:35 -0400 (EDT) From: burnett@pobox.com X-X-Sender: badger@giggles.cavesofice.org To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Bob Ostertag, was Re: Re: tape loops, hugh hopper, daevid allen, terry riley In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: <009a01c7b7c0$615a9a40$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71710 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2007 20:55:26 +0000 (UTC) On Tue, 26 Jun 2007, Rev Fever wrote: > Also, check out the early history / recordings of Bob Osertag, > especially one called "Getting A Head". Also, note this from Bob Ostertag: "March 25, 2006 I have decided to make all my recordings to which I have the rights freely available as digital downloads from my web site. These works are now covered by a Creative Commons "Attribution Non-commercial" license that permits you to freely download, copy, remix, sample, manipulate, fold, spindle, tamper with, defuse, detox, or deconstruct - as long as you credit my work as a source, and the work you make is not marketed commercially." Source: http://tinyurl.com/2lswwn Found on the Creative Commons weblog: http://creativecommons.org/weblog/entry/7542 best, Steve Burnett Subscape Annex http://www.subscapeannex.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 26 21:17:17 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7A6303BF96; Tue, 26 Jun 2007 21:17:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-SBRS: None X-SenderGroup: RELAYLIST X-MailFlowPolicy: $RELAYED X-MID: 613219869 Subject: RE: Zappa Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2007 22:17:13 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-ID: <1BB076E4C332F9469148F41725F17A7203E91FE8@MTVNE-EXCLUST02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: Content-class: urn:content-classes:message X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Thread-Topic: Zappa thread-index: Ace4N11ETZ/jntCXQUSllcpd1n1rXg== References: <200706261849.l5QInHtT016820@minds-eye.org> From: "Goddard, Duncan" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Jun 2007 21:17:14.0700 (UTC) FILETIME=[5E3B38C0:01C7B837] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71711 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2007 21:17:17 +0000 (UTC) >>I watched Baby Snakes for my assignment and while I did enjoy it, I also realized why I can't really get into Zappa. Its not so much the titties and beer stuff that gets me, its the amount of mockery that fills so much of what he did. Sure, mocking disco people or whatever can be fun for a while, but too much just makes it feel like so much useless bile. I still think he was an amazing guitarist when he wanted to be though.<< can't help but agree/concur. I so badly wanted to like zappa when I was a teenager & it was "cool" to listen to these obscure LPs (I was in teesside at the time) with the naughty lyrics, but it all seemed a tad... well... adolescent.=20 there's "clever" & then there's "excluding-people-from-the-joke-just-for-the-sheer-bloody-mindedness-of- it." but this is just what I think.=20 I will not, however, be reasoned with on the subject, for it is subjective. :-) much later, I wanted to admire his guitar playing, but it seemd so self-absorbed & didn't "say" anything to me (c.f. hendrix, rory, srv &c). so I don't know why I can't join the billions of folks out there who don't even know he existed, let alone care. he's just.... frank. one zappa product I did enjoy was his book- "in his own words" or summat like that. I re-read a few pages for my homework. it starts out as a fairly straightforward autobiography, but by the last few chapters, he's out-&-out ranting like a moustachio'd bill hicks. the whole thing about the orchestra getting drunk.... jeff berlin..... & then he starts on politics. =20 he would've probably died of apoplexy upon seeing bush jr. "voted" into power, if he'd survived long enough. anyone know what happened to his massive synclavier remastering project? d. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 26 21:52:31 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 684C13BF66; Tue, 26 Jun 2007 21:52:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <007d01c7b83c$8037af30$17b2a8c0@netzrechner> Reply-To: "Tilmann Dehnhard" From: "Tilmann Dehnhard" To: References: <196693.258.qm@web32704.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Zappa Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2007 23:53:50 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1+qfr7HmjZsQ6K5YWY5Yy3MzsI5QupmckMXoA5 akNJo49vNssJILCKS3PM7AJQpdn6HJXmO7M4zI6x67v8sS0ZhA qCxkBJtu3uzwOFcbAtmCsINbDumnaMu Resent-Message-ID: <9GUS-C.A.ibG.fqYgGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71712 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2007 21:52:31 +0000 (UTC) isn't that a take from "jazz from hell?" with a very squeaky acoustic guitar vamp accompanying zappa - soloing away really beautifully over it? tilmann ----- Original Message ----- From: "bill bigrig" To: Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2007 1:33 AM Subject: Re: Zappa > Howdy, > > i'mnot mainly a guitarist, mostly keyboards(old > synths) and engineering. ButI too Really enjoy the > Shut up and play your guitar stuff, although I only > have 2 albums worth. Funny on Sleep Rats there is a > cut that is almost the same format exept at the end > where Frank says, gettin tired? and the other fellow > says, my fingers got stuck. Great stuff, I don't have > near enough Zappa albums so you guys out there feel > free to put me in your will. > Rig > > > > --- Daryl Shawn wrote: > >> I love "Shut Up n' Play Yer Guitar" so, so very >> much. I'm generally not >> much for rock guitar-solo oriented albums, so it's >> always kinda >> surprising for me that I have great affection for a >> double-cd set which >> is NOTHING but guitar solos. >> >> It makes a great argument for improvisation being >> instant composition. >> >> Daryl Shawn >> www.swanwelder.com >> www.chinapaintingmusic.com >> >> > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > Pinpoint customers who are looking for what you sell. > http://searchmarketing.yahoo.com/ > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 26 22:02:16 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B237C3BF6A; Tue, 26 Jun 2007 22:02:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=m6Su9ysLYNJuQ5dn9ehLXZMxbCv9idWiIQdBvEIXze8OuZmUc+IunIPMrIfdhaP5pw6dkAN30pKZXJbSAwldQ7g17Oq2NXyXwgL3jcnBYkRIxEH8aI6cNAaZJ10SEmd5sMXDkHVLvvD3k2ifCDVFynQ42ajm1Hl/CZcbHrj+/dE=; X-YMail-OSG: S68_L5cVM1mvoFHTnqGpjUNUv46JZ0BMuQanrOhqFGk55gEmIf7Fu5bYvTIG3dZBlHcLfzkxa1jew1URpsDhxDrtU3x62FS1U.h_510B9CsujnnQ1WYV9KrK7oOUAw-- Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2007 15:02:14 -0700 (PDT) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: Re: Recording Programs? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <95047.84529.qm@web38605.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71713 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2007 22:02:16 +0000 (UTC) Thanx Per,i was recently talking to a guy here who said that different software interpret different algorithms in certain ways and also the capacity of that software to work under bit quantity from certain hardware is where the sound quality makes a difference so it makes sense what you are saying.A lot people ive talked to said the software is just a tool and its not going to make things sound better.I didnt know this really,i work with Sonar because i feel very comfortable with it but i ve never compared the same recording mixing it with cubase or for ex.ive always been more concerned with my hardware.Other people ive talked to say these programs (sonar,cubase,) are for hobbists and will never make your recordings sound like they do under giant software like protools... Luis --- Per Boysen wrote: > On 26 jun 2007, at 05.13, L.A. Angulo wrote: > > > So let me get this straight,does the software > itself > > has an effect also on the sound quality? all these > > software claim to be used in professional > > studios,Sonar,Cubase,Logic,Nuendo,Protools i was > > always under the impression that it was the > hardware > > that matter as far as sound qualitiy,so does > cubase or > > logic sound better that sonar indepedently from > > hardware? > > Luis > > > They all sound different. Not of course if you > simply load an audio > file and play it back. But as soon as you merge many > audio streams > together (as in mixing), work with panning on tracks > or apply effects > to finalize the sound. Even though it's all > mathematics the different > applications still do apply those algorithms in > different ways. > > But you were talking about "sound quality" in your > post and that > implies that you think that some might be "better", > which is > difficult to say because the differences in > delivered sound are very > small. Professional studios do not chose software > for "sound > quality", since all these applications sound > excellent, but rather > for ergonomics and suggested workflow > ("professional" means people > get paid and then workflow has to be fast or someone > goes out of > business). And for some it also matters which > applications their > clients and partners are using. > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > www.looproom.com (international) > > > > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom ____________________________________________________________________________________ Pinpoint customers who are looking for what you sell. http://searchmarketing.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 26 22:02:22 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6B3883BF6C; Tue, 26 Jun 2007 22:02:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: 26 Jun 2007 22:02:20 -0000 Message-ID: <20070626220220.7095.qmail@belat.ispgateway.de> From: manu@ricoloop.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: out of office Re: Recording Programs? Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71714 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2007 22:02:22 +0000 (UTC) guten morgen! ich bin bis einschließlich 2.juli mailtechnisch schlecht zu erreichen. deswegen bitte ich um etwas geduld :) in dringenden fällen mobil: 0177.463 21 72 grüsse, manuel owono From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 26 22:26:50 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BAA753BF82; Tue, 26 Jun 2007 22:26:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <00c801c7b841$4c31b6e0$17b2a8c0@netzrechner> Reply-To: "Tilmann Dehnhard" From: "Tilmann Dehnhard" To: References: Subject: Re: Zappa Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2007 00:28:16 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00C5_01C7B852.0DFA3940" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX182PQFCNKs3HxJUxoez+hv1TJ/UzpmoMqm50jG f2QqzqiYAIGRs6PSR8rbZsh4dLTW9qtKLHrnr9dUCR9pTPa4nV +jKmu8OabDM/Hf+pisHUPT0bbCgO7ZD Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71715 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2007 22:26:50 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00C5_01C7B852.0DFA3940 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable i know this is terribly OT, but please check out the following video of = "crossfire" from 1986. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3D8ISil7IHzxc i assume that behind zappas strong language was the strong belief in = freedom of speech. seeing this video, one can anticipate the kind of resistance, antipathy = and stupidity from the public (and especially the press) he must have = dealt with on a daily basis. this man was not only a musician, but also a political voice to be = heard. here is another video: "On September 19, 1985 Frank Zappa testified before the Senate Commerce, = Technology, and Transportation Committee to object to a proposal by the = PMRC (Parents Music Resource Center) that a ratings system, similar to = the system used in movies, be applied to phonograph, magnetic tape, and = compact disc audio recordings." (cited from the youtube page of the video) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DC5b8FxF-bXw yowza yowza yowza! tilmann ----- Original Message -----=20 From: BreachinThePeace@aol.com=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2007 10:03 PM Subject: Re: Zappa In a message dated 6/26/2007 2:49:42 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, = kevin@minds-eye.org writes: I watched Baby Snakes for my assignment and while I did enjoy it, I = also realized why I can't really get into Zappa. Its not so much the = titties and beer stuff that gets me, its the amount of mockery that fills so much of what he did. Sure, mocking disco people or whatever can be = fun for a while, but too much just makes it feel like so much useless = bile. I still think he was an amazing guitarist when he wanted to be = though. Kevin This is all valid, but it's important to view Zappa in context (I = guess). Zappa was VERY anti stereo type. He saw the lack of creativity = that a stereotypical society exhibited as one bound to it's own bleak = destruction. He simply detested conformative mediocrity. He forced = people to think when they cared enough (as you obviously do) to listen = to what he was putting across. If you listen very carefully amongst the = mockery there lies a definitive social cause and effect. At times Zappa = provided a hilarious map of many a commonly traveled social road, paved = with his unique satirical commentary. There were few if any musical = leaders of his time that were more diverse than Zappa. I mean this with = respect to race/sex/musical style/sexual; orientation, what have you. = Someone said a few posts ago how Zappa would have had a field day with = George the Neanderthal. Fact is Zappa would poke fun at ANYONE that was = a main stream conformist. Be they Democranks or Repukingtons. The one = thing Zappa encouraged was the intelligent exercise of ones liberal = freedom and responsibilities. In other words he encouraged people to = vote but never whom to vote for. -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- See what's free at AOL.com. ------=_NextPart_000_00C5_01C7B852.0DFA3940 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

i know this is terribly OT, but please check out the following = video of=20 "crossfire" from 1986.

http://www.youtube.= com/watch?v=3D8ISil7IHzxc

i assume that behind zappas strong language was the strong belief = in=20 freedom of speech.

seeing this video, one can anticipate the kind of resistance, = antipathy and=20 stupidity from the public (and especially the press) he must = have=20 dealt with on a daily basis.

this man was not only a musician, but also a political voice to be=20 heard.

here is another video:

"On September = 19, 1985 Frank=20 Zappa testified before the Senate Commerce, Technology, and = Transportation=20 Committee to object to a proposal by the PMRC (Parents Music Resource = Center)=20 that a ratings system, similar to the system used in movies, be applied = to=20 phonograph, magnetic tape, and compact disc audio = recordings."

(cited from the youtube page of the = video)

http://www.youtube.= com/watch?v=3DC5b8FxF-bXw

yowza yowza yowza!

tilmann

----- Original Message -----
From:=20 BreachinThePeace@aol.com =

To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20

Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2007 = 10:03=20 PM

Subject: Re: Zappa

In a message dated 6/26/2007 2:49:42 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, = kevin@minds-eye.org = writes:

I=20 watched Baby Snakes for my assignment and while I did enjoy it, I=20 also
realized why I can't really get into Zappa. Its not so = much=20 the titties
and beer stuff that gets me, its the amount of = mockery that=20 fills so
much of what he did. Sure, mocking disco people or = whatever can be fun
for a while, but too much just makes it feel = like so=20 much useless bile.

I still think he was an amazing guitarist = when he=20 wanted to be though.

Kevin

This is all valid, but it's important to view Zappa in context (I = guess).=20 Zappa was VERY anti stereo type. He saw the lack of creativity that a=20 stereotypical society exhibited as one bound to it's own = bleak=20 destruction. He simply detested conformative mediocrity. He forced = people to=20 think when they cared enough (as you obviously do) to listen to what = he was=20 putting across. If you listen very carefully amongst the mockery there = lies a=20 definitive social cause and effect. At times Zappa provided a = hilarious map of=20 many a commonly traveled social road, paved with his unique = satirical=20 commentary. There were few if any musical leaders of his time that = were more=20 diverse than Zappa. I mean this with respect to race/sex/musical = style/sexual;=20 orientation, what have you. Someone said a few posts ago how Zappa = would have=20 had a field day with George the Neanderthal. Fact is Zappa would poke = fun at=20 ANYONE that was a main stream conformist. Be they Democranks or=20 Repukingtons. The one thing Zappa encouraged was the intelligent = exercise=20 of ones liberal freedom and responsibilities. In other words he = encouraged=20 people to vote but never whom to vote for.

See what's free at AOL.com.=20

------=_NextPart_000_00C5_01C7B852.0DFA3940-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 26 22:32:31 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AA23E3BF92; Tue, 26 Jun 2007 22:32:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <00d301c7b842$17912910$17b2a8c0@netzrechner> Reply-To: "Tilmann Dehnhard" From: "Tilmann Dehnhard" To: References: <200706261849.l5QInHtT016820@minds-eye.org> <1BB076E4C332F9469148F41725F17A7203E91FE8@MTVNE-EXCLUST02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> Subject: Re: Zappa Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2007 00:33:58 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX18e+J0eUeStut0jeHHFJk2+tQaATxn7jvgCxDh 3x/IixkmFxh+n042REtoKcperPgozb/rfVpw2TLMHCOhio3T5p 1btUNNrKRLJLWFzSLCs4sPtRVlPtibm Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71716 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2007 22:32:31 +0000 (UTC) some of his synclavier work is finally performed next week in berlin. the ensemble had a hard time to get the permission for this. too bad i have a gig that night... http://www.radialsystem.de/rebrush/text80.php (text is in german) tilmann ----- Original Message ----- From: "Goddard, Duncan" To: Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2007 11:17 PM Subject: RE: Zappa >>I watched Baby Snakes for my assignment and while I did enjoy it, I also realized why I can't really get into Zappa. Its not so much the titties and beer stuff that gets me, its the amount of mockery that fills so much of what he did. Sure, mocking disco people or whatever can be fun for a while, but too much just makes it feel like so much useless bile. I still think he was an amazing guitarist when he wanted to be though.<< can't help but agree/concur. I so badly wanted to like zappa when I was a teenager & it was "cool" to listen to these obscure LPs (I was in teesside at the time) with the naughty lyrics, but it all seemed a tad... well... adolescent. there's "clever" & then there's "excluding-people-from-the-joke-just-for-the-sheer-bloody-mindedness-of- it." but this is just what I think. I will not, however, be reasoned with on the subject, for it is subjective. :-) much later, I wanted to admire his guitar playing, but it seemd so self-absorbed & didn't "say" anything to me (c.f. hendrix, rory, srv &c). so I don't know why I can't join the billions of folks out there who don't even know he existed, let alone care. he's just.... frank. one zappa product I did enjoy was his book- "in his own words" or summat like that. I re-read a few pages for my homework. it starts out as a fairly straightforward autobiography, but by the last few chapters, he's out-&-out ranting like a moustachio'd bill hicks. the whole thing about the orchestra getting drunk.... jeff berlin..... & then he starts on politics. he would've probably died of apoplexy upon seeing bush jr. "voted" into power, if he'd survived long enough. anyone know what happened to his massive synclavier remastering project? d. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 26 22:40:02 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C72B73BF80; Tue, 26 Jun 2007 22:40:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com In-Reply-To: <00c801c7b841$4c31b6e0$17b2a8c0@netzrechner> References: <00c801c7b841$4c31b6e0$17b2a8c0@netzrechner> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-6-579142218 Message-Id: <736A06C2-5B02-4E40-B1BB-32B3BD47E130@zerocrossing.net> From: Mark Sottilaro Subject: Re: Zappa Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2007 15:34:48 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71717 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2007 22:40:02 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-6-579142218 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed I think my feelings toward Zappa can be summed up like this: I like him and his music a lot. I've just never been entertained by either. Mark On Jun 26, 2007, at 3:28 PM, Tilmann Dehnhard wrote: > i know this is terribly OT, but please check out the following > video of "crossfire" from 1986. > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ISil7IHzxc > > i assume that behind zappas strong language was the strong belief > in freedom of --Apple-Mail-6-579142218 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 I think my feelings toward Zappa = can be summed up like this: I like him and his music a lot.=A0 I've just = never been entertained by either.

Mark

= On Jun 26, 2007, at 3:28 PM, Tilmann Dehnhard wrote:

i know this is terribly OT, but please check out the = following video of "crossfire" from 1986.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3D8ISil7IHzxc
=A0
i assume that = behind zappas strong language was the strong belief in freedom = of=A0

= --Apple-Mail-6-579142218-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 26 22:40:06 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 112B73BF82; Tue, 26 Jun 2007 22:40:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: 26 Jun 2007 22:40:04 -0000 Message-ID: <20070626224004.8815.qmail@belat.ispgateway.de> From: manu@ricoloop.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: out of office Re: Zappa Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71718 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2007 22:40:06 +0000 (UTC) guten morgen! ich bin bis einschließlich 2.juli mailtechnisch schlecht zu erreichen. deswegen bitte ich um etwas geduld :) in dringenden fällen mobil: 0177.463 21 72 grüsse, manuel owono From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 26 22:57:47 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 18DD33BF47; Tue, 26 Jun 2007 22:57:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=3Magkb8k2ykeKgXqJ2BbiZi8UhENKzG6KjVDqwcRVqGJ2mm86C0M9VEtt2BpEs59wteyjecFvK9NNJryMjRyflDlcYBS1TSspA7IuAXj5ySCW6z/rVz9gqdP0kq4nFNrVCD7QJBTI4vRn6XyC8cfYJikpCXV3qT0s5iA3+o3LpM=; X-YMail-OSG: 04WKflIVM1mz9eX2tX8z8XGw43DMvB9C0Kb1BOK87Q1zoYtM0xJOdGK88_wIWfziFdYXok9oOYwfyKy5RBF9OHgocErDotd7h7Yhwf1MhEEL1CubtYOGEMTd5Y.W4A-- Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2007 15:57:45 -0700 (PDT) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: RE: Zappa To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <1BB076E4C332F9469148F41725F17A7203E91FE8@MTVNE-EXCLUST02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <669198.46398.qm@web38604.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71719 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2007 22:57:46 +0000 (UTC) I aslo regard Zappa as a very creative musician but i could never get into him,i almost get kill whenever i say that,just like when i say i like the Stones better than the Beatles;-) Luis --- "Goddard, Duncan" wrote: > >>I watched Baby Snakes for my assignment and while > I did enjoy it, I > also realized why I can't really get into Zappa. > Its not so much the > titties and beer stuff that gets me, its the amount > of mockery that > fills so much of what he did. Sure, mocking disco > people or whatever > can be fun for a while, but too much just makes it > feel like so much > useless bile. > > I still think he was an amazing guitarist when he > wanted to be though.<< > > can't help but agree/concur. I so badly wanted to > like zappa when I was > a teenager & it was "cool" to listen to these > obscure LPs (I was in > teesside at the time) with the naughty lyrics, but > it all seemed a > tad... well... adolescent. > > there's "clever" & then there's > "excluding-people-from-the-joke-just-for-the-sheer-bloody-mindedness-of- > it." > but this is just what I think. > I will not, however, be reasoned with on the > subject, for it is > subjective. :-) > > much later, I wanted to admire his guitar playing, > but it seemd so > self-absorbed & didn't "say" anything to me (c.f. > hendrix, rory, srv > &c). > > so I don't know why I can't join the billions of > folks out there who > don't even know he existed, let alone care. he's > just.... frank. > > one zappa product I did enjoy was his book- "in his > own words" or summat > like that. I re-read a few pages for my homework. > > it starts out as a fairly straightforward > autobiography, but by the last > few chapters, he's out-&-out ranting like a > moustachio'd bill hicks. the > whole thing about the orchestra getting drunk.... > jeff berlin..... & > then he starts on politics. > > he would've probably died of apoplexy upon seeing > bush jr. "voted" into > power, if he'd survived long enough. > > anyone know what happened to his massive synclavier > remastering project? > > d. > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom ____________________________________________________________________________________Ready for the edge of your seat? Check out tonight's top picks on Yahoo! TV. http://tv.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 26 22:58:15 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AF80C3BF84; Tue, 26 Jun 2007 22:58:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: 26 Jun 2007 22:58:14 -0000 Message-ID: <20070626225814.22144.qmail@belat.ispgateway.de> From: manu@ricoloop.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: out of office RE: Zappa Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71720 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2007 22:58:15 +0000 (UTC) guten morgen! ich bin bis einschließlich 2.juli mailtechnisch schlecht zu erreichen. deswegen bitte ich um etwas geduld :) in dringenden fällen mobil: 0177.463 21 72 grüsse, manuel owono From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 26 23:27:27 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 949DC3BF5D; Tue, 26 Jun 2007 23:27:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=Ucz0VLB6j5jWNMWZz3jaZ5IdkXhEw4Ro6n5sOXKJKOuBXzRhpBevYn7t/hXvnIQECYobNw0ivfyHIzVvH8L26Er6QnlJxqdSyyNhneJw6Q4oyKiTtQ55c+gWO/c2qkPdo3CqrgaaRasn6Syv8OwDtoRHKhGoHp3bkiYc2+GxpBk=; X-YMail-OSG: 3HFXa3IVM1mzKEn6XSqI_WwGHFIo3I.MWVTMDlKB9Tk9iEt4.lvzrEQ4FNRLjLsK8Y.8GVeFvHV3nYXItGoyiPFrAodnVKd.RoABJ3E.Np4ahJvFdWCRuCvSsqU2xA-- Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2007 16:27:24 -0700 (PDT) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: Re: Zappa To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <736A06C2-5B02-4E40-B1BB-32B3BD47E130@zerocrossing.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <117087.63579.qm@web38610.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71721 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2007 23:27:27 +0000 (UTC) And i like his politics better than his music Luis --- Mark Sottilaro wrote: > I think my feelings toward Zappa can be summed up > like this: I like > him and his music a lot. I've just never been > entertained by either. > > Mark > > On Jun 26, 2007, at 3:28 PM, Tilmann Dehnhard wrote: > > > i know this is terribly OT, but please check out > the following > > video of "crossfire" from 1986. > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ISil7IHzxc > > > > i assume that behind zappas strong language was > the strong belief > > in freedom of > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom ____________________________________________________________________________________ Luggage? GPS? Comic books? Check out fitting gifts for grads at Yahoo! Search http://search.yahoo.com/search?fr=oni_on_mail&p=graduation+gifts&cs=bz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 26 23:27:30 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DB6F73BF7F; Tue, 26 Jun 2007 23:27:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: 26 Jun 2007 23:27:29 -0000 Message-ID: <20070626232729.27950.qmail@belat.ispgateway.de> From: manu@ricoloop.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: out of office Re: Zappa Resent-Message-ID: <5Oj9r.A.egE.iDagGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71722 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2007 23:27:30 +0000 (UTC) guten morgen! ich bin bis einschließlich 2.juli mailtechnisch schlecht zu erreichen. deswegen bitte ich um etwas geduld :) in dringenden fällen mobil: 0177.463 21 72 grüsse, manuel owono From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 27 01:31:53 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 324083BF6E; Wed, 27 Jun 2007 01:31:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "greg williams" To: Subject: RE:ZAPPA Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2007 18:30:27 -0700 Message-ID: <000901c7b85a$bdf29e70$738ea643@gwdesk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Thread-Index: Ace4Wr2YxqWZkGLxRa64bNXQ6BxQ+g== Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71723 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2007 01:31:53 +0000 (UTC) Over twenty or so years, I have aquired an awe-inspiring collection of Zappa on CD, cassette tape and records, including many rare items and bootlegs - at last count I had around eighty titles scattered around the house. For my loopers delight weekend assignment I chose to listen to a recently released live set from the early seventies called "Imaginary Diseases", released posthumously by his family cottage-industry with his son Dweezil producing - The Dweez is an amazing guitarist in his own right, check out some of the Zappa plays Zappa videos on youtube. Imaginary Diseases kicks serious amounts of gluteous, particulary the tracks "Been to Kansas City in A Minor" - let that classically Zappaesque double-entendre seep in a moment - and "D.C. Boogie" with not one but two stupendous Zappa solos. The title track is also an otherwise unreleased instrumental little gem. Uncle Frank was an American treasure; equal parts serious composer, social and political critic, and vaudevillian band leader. His productivity, intellect and wit are still unrivalled in modern music history. Libertarian to the core, he fought his whole life against censorship, conformity, religion, timidity and stupidity - and had a whole heck of a lot of fun doing it! What an inspirational human. Thanks for the assignment. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 27 01:32:07 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 01C6A3BF74; Wed, 27 Jun 2007 01:32:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: 27 Jun 2007 01:31:56 -0000 Message-ID: <20070627013156.13676.qmail@belat.ispgateway.de> From: manu@ricoloop.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: out of office RE:ZAPPA Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71724 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2007 01:32:05 +0000 (UTC) guten morgen! ich bin bis einschließlich 2.juli mailtechnisch schlecht zu erreichen. deswegen bitte ich um etwas geduld :) in dringenden fällen mobil: 0177.463 21 72 grüsse, manuel owono From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 27 02:29:21 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 634F63BF6C; Wed, 27 Jun 2007 02:29:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <20070627013156.13676.qmail@belat.ispgateway.de> References: <20070627013156.13676.qmail@belat.ispgateway.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <75EC48FF-F8CE-471F-A456-51E5B86B9E7F@jamesrichmond.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: James Richmond Subject: Re: out of office RE:ZAPPA Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2007 22:29:11 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71725 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2007 02:29:21 +0000 (UTC) > > guten morgen! > > ich bin bis einschlie=DFlich 2.juli mailtechnisch schlecht zu = erreichen. > deswegen bitte ich um etwas geduld :) > > in dringenden f=E4llen mobil: > 0177.463 21 72 > > gr=FCsse, > manuel owono Can someone in Germany call this bloke and tell him to setup his Out =20 Of Office properly? Jim= From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 27 02:29:24 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DBB9C3BF78; Wed, 27 Jun 2007 02:29:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: 27 Jun 2007 02:29:23 -0000 Message-ID: <20070627022923.16548.qmail@belat.ispgateway.de> From: manu@ricoloop.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: out of office Re: out of office RE:ZAPPA Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71726 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2007 02:29:24 +0000 (UTC) guten morgen! ich bin bis einschließlich 2.juli mailtechnisch schlecht zu erreichen. deswegen bitte ich um etwas geduld :) in dringenden fällen mobil: 0177.463 21 72 grüsse, manuel owono From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 27 02:30:18 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 00A183BF74; Wed, 27 Jun 2007 02:30:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <20070627022923.16548.qmail@belat.ispgateway.de> References: <20070627022923.16548.qmail@belat.ispgateway.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: James Richmond Subject: Re: out of office Re: out of office RE:ZAPPA Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2007 22:30:09 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71727 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2007 02:30:18 +0000 (UTC) On Jun 26, 2007, at 10:29 PM, manu@ricoloop.com wrote: > > guten morgen! > > ich bin bis einschlie=DFlich 2.juli mailtechnisch schlecht zu = erreichen. > deswegen bitte ich um etwas geduld :) > > in dringenden f=E4llen mobil: > 0177.463 21 72 > > gr=FCsse, > manuel owono > AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARGHGGHHGGHHHHH!= From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 27 03:32:16 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EE4D93BF6E; Wed, 27 Jun 2007 03:32:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=tf5TYda83d+4LTnS1nbo9IuGWcD/Ey+ffNu8G8vTCs/Uwo+cdWehZPpqpcz6742RlpQLX0jm0DbHFMqrnT5lxVmCOU07Wnm+4EY20ElnLSXdjflbSzhjljnCbs0gDR9kIDftFyttuF8PPM/v0KKkd/857JNYBUaRMXSGffNoaHE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=fYSm+9tIxVI8ukdJ/AuhckYGruVawqiGVZt1tTz3XS3TIcWy96IjjQF63FrRmCpQT6AHRYRZaXjgvM04zDIvzIPx923MBoRo1STfZhbwEhn5bEYKG1YwGnaj+9/UVJ9ybFWDQF3I4wq6OlqLA8/JadqSCGeIPAhI87ZkMdmSGTk= Message-ID: <6df9336a0706262032l10347e87s7a266c3808b7a2c4@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2007 20:32:14 -0700 From: skincage To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: rackmount line mixers MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71728 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2007 03:32:15 +0000 (UTC) I am finding myself frustrated in my search for a rackmount mixer for use with my Repeater. Ideally, I'd like to confine my gear to one box, airplane safe. Surely there are 1 or 2 space solutions that offer stereo inputs, and a stereo send? I have been lovingly accused of carting around a "yard sale" when I play. I like hardware but I don't want anymore hernias and I can't afford a laptop anyway. Am I doomed to continue this pattern? jon/skincage From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 27 03:32:20 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 753213BF75; Wed, 27 Jun 2007 03:32:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: 27 Jun 2007 03:32:18 -0000 Message-ID: <20070627033218.29050.qmail@belat.ispgateway.de> From: manu@ricoloop.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: out of office rackmount line mixers Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71729 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2007 03:32:20 +0000 (UTC) guten morgen! ich bin bis einschließlich 2.juli mailtechnisch schlecht zu erreichen. deswegen bitte ich um etwas geduld :) in dringenden fällen mobil: 0177.463 21 72 grüsse, manuel owono From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 27 04:12:46 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5A50D3BF6C; Wed, 27 Jun 2007 04:12:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:from:to:references:subject:date:message-id:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-mailer:thread-index:x-mimeole:in-reply-to; b=L66RJyhoqzTh25MOTvigR+um9Gfe9l40XPYhFXGJCWOaxWghyKQlW5S3o5tsXGkau9YdWt17PZQ/XyO1H4+Dh8Qj8ClXLpYd80+0flR+4UpC1OudwMOOyUutO+37+eI5RFbQwF9nG60aXUtJzQEYdl/Mm5jrRWU6ZepU6YF5vLI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:from:to:references:subject:date:message-id:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-mailer:thread-index:x-mimeole:in-reply-to; b=IXs7PAIBXhekWRUZyApBvxCMQhH5F/OnLJx4XSadAOMewpgFGt6YqizU0PvHUXNuccVoF8rlYlwg0iZuKrnLkUVE8IQKHw/R2/HnTP3uxK9RDYw6xv1vodinuGP22oc9m0L4pbI+gFJB/cJKlkYIEzFeQV085B/P/z4uwiK6yfk= From: "Tony K" To: References: <6df9336a0706262032l10347e87s7a266c3808b7a2c4@mail.gmail.com> Subject: RE: rackmount line mixers Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2007 00:12:41 -0400 Message-ID: <00f801c7b871$6a2c6ca0$0200a8c0@daw1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1250" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: Ace4a8plFdOAcxbsSl2wmUuFmaoIAgABVbPg X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 In-Reply-To: <6df9336a0706262032l10347e87s7a266c3808b7a2c4@mail.gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: <0cpjcD.A.abG.9OegGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71730 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2007 04:12:45 +0000 (UTC) The Behringer RX1602 might get you close. But no stereo sends. That seems to be a major failing in all the mixers I've looked at. Why in the world wouldn't one want stereo sends? It's a pain in the butt. I have all these great stereo inputs, but if I want to send to a stereo fx, no dice. Tony -----Original Message----- From: skincage [mailto:skincage@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2007 11:32 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: rackmount line mixers I am finding myself frustrated in my search for a rackmount mixer for use with my Repeater. Ideally, I'd like to confine my gear to one box, airplane safe. Surely there are 1 or 2 space solutions that offer stereo inputs, and a stereo send? I have been lovingly accused of carting around a "yard sale" when I play. I like hardware but I don't want anymore hernias and I can't afford a laptop anyway. Am I doomed to continue this pattern? jon/skincage No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. 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Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.9.9/870 - Release Date: 6/26/2007 10:07 AM From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 27 04:12:49 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 16CA43BF70; Wed, 27 Jun 2007 04:12:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: 27 Jun 2007 04:12:47 -0000 Message-ID: <20070627041247.25039.qmail@belat.ispgateway.de> From: manu@ricoloop.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: out of office RE: rackmount line mixers Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71731 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2007 04:12:49 +0000 (UTC) guten morgen! ich bin bis einschließlich 2.juli mailtechnisch schlecht zu erreichen. deswegen bitte ich um etwas geduld :) in dringenden fällen mobil: 0177.463 21 72 grüsse, manuel owono From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 27 07:31:30 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A89B33BF63; Wed, 27 Jun 2007 07:31:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.fr; h=Received:X-YMail-OSG:Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=yJzD+9bYbl2xyiGU9uAsos+H9YNwusz3t4m3i4V5VJDNf24kqTB2XNt1CBoMzQ10lWiX/JppBLkW83wNX8dPMh6rBTryixV3xb76dL6KN1d1nHrjueaTNWRDTglGLdpkWAxq+Ylzag8gszeGKpN4HbfF2bylfJZN7gn6cxswvPg= ; X-YMail-OSG: I1ZICIAVM1kLbKYPQ637mSGP5CG73Wt501nkjcYhhrI0XYzr3BWxj_zv8Ki5KsOfktxIKVI6JsvDGtz5xLZ2RLQHTKimFs8PWYmf2msmtQ65EKmiSkwHt.EXxdg8w8vAHMw4HbEIPwAp1Q-- Message-ID: <00e601c7b88d$27f95660$6402a8c0@PC576340162804> From: "Ben" To: References: Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: Boomerang - Rang III (?) Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2007 09:31:19 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00E3_01C7B89D.EB278340" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71732 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2007 07:31:30 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00E3_01C7B89D.EB278340 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Not sure I understand every subtilities in you mail. English is not my = native language. It is difficult to give you any scenario as the Rang III is not out yet, = and we don't know how difficult it might be to reach some "hidden" = functions. Imagine just that you as a guitarist want to alter the feedback rate. = The RANG II wants you to enter a so-called programming mode (press X, = then Y to cycle to the needed value). Wouldn't it be easier to use an = external midi controller to adjust the feedback on the fly? If you have several instruments with different output level, wouldn't it = be useful to send a midi CC from an external controller so the RANG can = change its input Gain? Perhaps the majority of players won't need this specific extra control = and I agree that for reducing the costs and the size, the number of = pedal should be limited. But I think that not providing a way to expand the control might be a = mistake. Why is everyone complaining about the RC50? Because they want to access = some functionality with midi and that part is not working properly. It = can be to synchronise a flanger to a loop, to start an external drum = machine (archaic or not) or just to sync with other musicians. I can understand you point about musical instruments. So much people, so much ways to make music. That's the interest of it. Ben. ----- Original Message -----=20 From: BreachinThePeace@aol.com=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2007 2:58 PM Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: Boomerang - Rang III (?) "Midi does not only mean "SYNC" or "PC connectivity" but also = "expandable".=20 With so much functions, it might be useful to add a midi = footcontroller. 6 loops * 3 layers with Undo, half speed, reverse, loop extend (is = that multiply?), merge,... and all the classical rec, stop, overdub, ... = pedals. It seems a lot of function for a 5 (?) pedal board. Ben." To me this is a fascinating subject Ben because it's perhaps a chance = for me to understand greater possibilities from a different perspective = . Can you give me a scenario where you as a musician might actually = utilize the midi/usb facility of a floor controlled looper to accomplish = an integral function with respect to your performance that could not be = accomplished without the midi/usb facility with respect to this = particular device? Of course I am not asking if you can do just anything additional like = tweaking, that would be asinine. I am certainly not some anti = perversionist on a useless campaign to stamp out a lack of musical = purity. I would be the most guilty witch at the stake if that were the = case. What I am asking is more so specifically why a single or primary = instrument toting musician would need "more" from a device that is = designed to specifically do one thing, namely to sample "on spot" = phrases & manipulate them on the fly? I guess my logic may honestly be getting in the way here. In this = sense however I seem to define various devices for their most valuable & = efficient capability to me as a musician. With respect to this line of = thinking I would sight the following logical choices or decisive = similarities. Why would a musician insist on using a mouse to control their laptop's = DAW when they can liberally accomplish a great deal more with respect = efficiency and musical addition by using a midi controller of their = choice during performance? Why would a musician use a drum machine when VSTI modules like RMX = make them archaic and clumsy at best? Why would a musician try to turn a basic floor controlled phrase = sampler into a load storing sequencer? Why would a musician bring 20 basses & 20 effect boxes to a gig when = all you need is two (one for back up) as long as you use a quality midi = synth module? Why would a bassist tote around an SVT system to render a big powerful = mono low frequency signal when you could choose a quality powered PA, = having true stereo for any number of instruments/devices within their = performance repertoire? =20 -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- See what's free at AOL.com. ------=_NextPart_000_00E3_01C7B89D.EB278340 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Not sure I understand every subtilities in you mail. English is not = my=20 native language.

It is difficult to give you any scenario as the Rang III is not out = yet,=20 and we don't know how difficult it might be to reach some "hidden"=20 functions.

Imagine just that you as a guitarist want to alter=20 the feedback rate. The RANG II wants you to enter a so-called = programming=20 mode (press X, then Y to cycle to the needed value). Wouldn't it be = easier=20 to use an external midi controller to adjust the feedback on the = fly?

If you have several instruments with different output level, = wouldn't it be=20 useful to send a midi CC from an external controller so the = RANG can=20 change its input Gain?

Perhaps the majority of players won't need this specific extra = control and I agree that for reducing the costs and the size, the = number of=20 pedal should be limited.

But I think that not providing a way to expand the control = might be a=20 mistake.

Why is everyone complaining about the RC50? Because they want = to=20 access some functionality with midi and that part is not working = properly. It=20 can be to synchronise a flanger to a loop, to start an external drum = machine=20 (archaic or not) or just to sync with other musicians.

I can understand you point about musical instruments.

So much people, so much ways to make music. That's the interest of=20 it.

Ben.

----- Original Message -----
From:=20 BreachinThePeace@aol.com =

To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20

Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2007 = 2:58=20 PM

Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: = Boomerang - Rang=20 III (?)

"Midi does not only mean "SYNC" or "PC connectivity" but also=20 "expandable".

With so much functions, it might be useful to add a midi=20 footcontroller.

6 loops * 3 layers with Undo, half speed, reverse, loop extend = (is that=20 multiply?), merge,... and all the classical rec, stop, overdub, ... = pedals. It=20 seems a lot of function for a 5 (?) pedal board.

Ben."

To me this is a fascinating subject Ben because it's perhaps a=20 chance for me to understand greater possibilities from a = different=20 perspective . Can you give me a scenario where you as a musician = might=20 actually utilize the midi/usb facility of a floor controlled looper to = accomplish an integral function with respect to your performance that = could=20 not be accomplished without the midi/usb facility with respect to this = particular device?

Of course I am not asking if you can do just anything additional = like=20 tweaking, that would be asinine. I am certainly not some anti = perversionist=20 on a useless campaign to stamp out a lack of musical purity. I = would be=20 the most guilty witch at the stake if that were the case. What I am = asking is=20 more so specifically why a single or primary instrument = toting=20 musician would need "more" from a device that is designed to = specifically do=20 one thing, namely to sample "on spot" phrases & = manipulate them=20 on the fly?

I guess my logic may honestly be getting in the way here. In this = sense=20 however I seem to define various devices for their most valuable & = efficient capability to me as a musician. With respect to this = line of=20 thinking I would sight the following logical choices or decisive=20 similarities.

Why would a musician insist on using a mouse to control their = laptop's=20 DAW when they can liberally accomplish a great deal more with respect=20 efficiency and musical addition by using a midi controller of their = choice=20 during performance?

Why would a musician use a drum machine when VSTI modules like=20 RMX make them archaic and clumsy at best?

Why would a musician try to turn a basic floor controlled = phrase=20 sampler into a load storing sequencer?

Why would a musician bring 20 basses & 20 effect = boxes to a gig=20 when all you need is two (one for back up) as long as you use a = quality midi=20 synth module?

Why would a bassist tote around an SVT system to render a big = powerful=20 mono low frequency signal when you could choose a quality powered PA, = having=20 true stereo for any number of instruments/devices within their = performance=20 repertoire?

See what's free at AOL.com.=20

------=_NextPart_000_00E3_01C7B89D.EB278340-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 27 07:31:34 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E05043BF71; Wed, 27 Jun 2007 07:31:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: 27 Jun 2007 07:31:33 -0000 Message-ID: <20070627073133.6739.qmail@belat.ispgateway.de> From: manu@ricoloop.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: out of office Re: [Bulk] Re: Boomerang - Rang III (?) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71733 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2007 07:31:34 +0000 (UTC) guten morgen! ich bin bis einschließlich 2.juli mailtechnisch schlecht zu erreichen. deswegen bitte ich um etwas geduld :) in dringenden fällen mobil: 0177.463 21 72 grüsse, manuel owono From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 27 07:44:39 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8B2653BF5D; Wed, 27 Jun 2007 07:44:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=mmNlR8aKGRp20ylsfZGJXaPMLhRnfChu+ftMATdiwE8tzZEZb9aSO23r2ApL+y32A7Revd0xr9rOQKE5ZQrWPfbcYOqS2fK+E0/cLo4Q6KmiYXea6m9/ibJfryuUiomLUMw584BzfJZPRoHwYPUv3k9ux5xJSMLh8+QAG4yZ5hA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=em+SPGHCf/ppeymGsEdK0PFI8nZJd3roezmUMmdPbXDqLH3anQ+MTeDmhTyqoDy4iJDgSuHyCwr+IYTaaM5sIE7i5Hxk1rNIYyxz2YQ9/rjjN+yUKcHdhefz0bJKW58wT1XwO5qOP7M+9KHS2an3UBXevWV3WxybWN5ZYb4mGQc= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <20070627073133.6739.qmail@belat.ispgateway.de> References: <20070627073133.6739.qmail@belat.ispgateway.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Message-Id: <6D359B69-4F4C-4ECF-B11A-3BDDF2D7F137@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Per Boysen Subject: e-mail looping ;-) Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2007 09:44:34 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: <16Cj1B.A.fGE.nVhgGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71734 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2007 07:44:39 +0000 (UTC) On 27 jun 2007, at 09.31, manu@ricoloop.com wrote: > > guten morgen! > > ich bin bis einschlie=DFlich 2.juli mailtechnisch schlecht zu = erreichen. > deswegen bitte ich um etwas geduld :) > > in dringenden f=E4llen mobil: > 0177.463 21 72 > > gr=FCsse, > manuel owono Has Ricoloop abandoned the Boss pedal to focus on e-mail looping? ;-) per From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 27 07:44:42 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 882173BF71; Wed, 27 Jun 2007 07:44:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: 27 Jun 2007 07:44:41 -0000 Message-ID: <20070627074441.31334.qmail@belat.ispgateway.de> From: manu@ricoloop.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: out of office e-mail looping ;-) Resent-Message-ID: <284GOC.A.OKE.qVhgGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71735 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2007 07:44:42 +0000 (UTC) guten morgen! ich bin bis einschließlich 2.juli mailtechnisch schlecht zu erreichen. deswegen bitte ich um etwas geduld :) in dringenden fällen mobil: 0177.463 21 72 grüsse, manuel owono From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 27 08:01:18 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6AD1F3BF6B; Wed, 27 Jun 2007 08:01:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: 27 Jun 2007 10:01:15 +0200 Message-ID: <42828.62.2.75.66.1182931275.squirrel@webmail.perspectix.com> From: "Bernhard Wagner LD" Reply-To: loopdelightml-NDI3MDE=-@bernhardwagner.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: e-mail looping ;-) User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal References: <20070627073133.6739.qmail@belat.ispgateway.de> <6D359B69-4F4C-4ECF-B11A-3BDDF2D7F137@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <6D359B69-4F4C-4ECF-B11A-3BDDF2D7F137@gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71736 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2007 08:01:18 +0000 (UTC) > > Has Ricoloop abandoned the Boss pedal to focus on e-mail looping? ;-) > This is not Rico but Manu (at rico's domain). I sent him a text to his mobile and it should be fixed now. 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Check out the All New Yahoo! Mail blog --0-1833410380-1182943978=:69443-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 27 13:11:08 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 64DCB3BF4F; Wed, 27 Jun 2007 13:11:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: BreachinThePeace@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2007 09:11:00 EDT Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: Boomerang - Rang III (?) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-----------------------------1182949860" X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5366 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71737 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2007 13:11:08 +0000 (UTC) -------------------------------1182949860 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 6/27/2007 3:31:48 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, benoitruelle@yahoo.fr writes: Why is everyone complaining about the RC50? Because they want to access some functionality with midi and that part is not working properly. It can be to synchronise a flanger to a loop, to start an external drum machine (archaic or not) or just to sync with other musicians. I can understand you point about musical instruments. So much people, so much ways to make music. That's the interest of it. Ben. Thanks for the reply Ben. I really like the quality of the RC50, I just don't care for it's immensly premature release. I think that was unforgivable from a consumer's perspective. Maybe that seems harsh but when you consider the number of years that floor loopers have been on the market, you would think that a 600.00 mass produced pedal board that is a "take" on several existing devices would be far more bug free. How about the fact that you simply cannot make an initial uninterrupted loop? Is it just me or is that simply pathetic? Sure, as long as you are using the looper device to forward or continue a pre existing loop, you won't hear the gap. But as a musician playing an actual instrument that is looking to harmoniously accompany oneself, it SUCKS and is simply unacceptable. I am not sure how anyone can honestly be satisfied with the RC50. To me all this justification of the RC50 seems like a grand effort to polish a turd. I guess you could say in this instance that I am "coming from" an almost polarized perspective as far as applied expansion is concerned. My point is this. In my mind, if a floor controlled looper unit meets it's unique design efficiency quota, you should not need to expand upon it. You also should not have to download "fixes" in an effort to eliminate poor design or out and outright design flaws. I FULLY realize and acknowledge the Boomerang 1's faults and limitations. (I never purchased the 2nd generation so I can't comment) But when you consider it's release date with respect to where we are today it was beyond magnificent. Sure, it's noisy as hell unless you really "play" with it and it's quantitative capabilities were archaic at best. One has to understand however that the Boomerang was the vision of two men that worked literally out of a garage where these first units were made and assembled. The thing I really like about Boomerang is their obvious personal devotion to releasing a product that reflected an efficient human element within it's design. It was truly built by musicians for musicians. It just seems like the more bells and whistles a device like this has the greater the risk becomes of loosing that efficiency and screwing up the mix so to speak. I guess in hind sight the RC50 is one more example of somebody trying to reinvent the wheel. ;-) ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. -------------------------------1182949860 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

In a message dated 6/27/2007 3:31:48 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,=20 benoitruelle@yahoo.fr writes:

<= FONT=20 style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" face=3DArial color=3D#000000 size= =3D2>

Why is everyone complaining about the RC50? Because they want to= =20 access some functionality with midi and that part is not working properly.= It=20 can be to synchronise a flanger to a loop, to start an external drum machi= ne=20 (archaic or not) or just to sync with other musicians.

I can understand you point about musical instruments.

So much people, so much ways to make music. That's the interest of=20 it.

Ben.

Thanks for the reply Ben. I really like the quality of the RC50, I just= =20 don't care for it's immensly premature release. I think that was=20 unforgivable from a consumer's perspective. Maybe that seems harsh but when=20= you=20 consider the number of years that floor loopers have been on the market, you= =20 would think that a 600.00 mass produced pedal board that is a "take" on= =20 several existing devices would be far more bug free.

How about the fact that you simply cannot make an initial uninterrupted= =20 loop? Is it just me or is that simply pathetic? Sure, as long= as=20 you are using the looper device to forward or continue a pre existing loop,=20= you=20 won't hear the gap. But as a musician playing an actual instrument that is=20 looking to harmoniously accompany oneself, it SUCKS and is simply=20 unacceptable.

I am not sure how anyone can honestly be satisfied with the RC50. To me= all=20 this justification of the RC50 seems like a grand effort to polish a tu= rd.=20 I guess you could say in this instance that I am "coming from" an almost=20 polarized perspective as far as applied expansion is concerned. My poin= t is=20 this. In my mind, if a floor controlled looper unit meets it's unique design= =20 efficiency quota, you should not need to expand upon it. You also should not= =20 have to download "fixes" in an effort to eliminate poor design or out and=20 outright design flaws.

I FULLY realize and acknowledge the Boomerang 1's faults and limitation= s.=20 (I never purchased the 2nd generation so I can't comment) But when= you=20 consider it's release date with respect to where we are today it was beyond=20 magnificent. Sure, it's noisy as hell unless you really "play" with it and i= t's=20 quantitative capabilities were archaic at best. One has to understand howeve= r=20 that the Boomerang was the vision of two men that worked literally out of a=20 garage where these first units were made and assembled. The thing I really l= ike=20 about Boomerang is their obvious personal devotion to releasing a produ= ct=20 that reflected an efficient human element within it's design. It was tr= uly=20 built by musicians for musicians. It just seems like the more bells and whis= tles=20 a device like this has the greater the risk becomes of loosing that efficien= cy=20 and screwing up the mix so to speak. I guess in hind sight the RC50 is one m= ore=20 example of somebody trying to reinvent the wheel. ;-)

See wha= t's free at AOL.co= m.

-------------------------------1182949860-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 27 13:27:30 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7124B3BF57; Wed, 27 Jun 2007 13:27:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2007 09:27:51 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: paul Subject: Re: rackmount line mixers In-Reply-To: <6df9336a0706262032l10347e87s7a266c3808b7a2c4@mail.gmail.co m> References: <6df9336a0706262032l10347e87s7a266c3808b7a2c4@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Message-Id: <20070627132728.F2F063BF4A@arsenic.violacea.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71738 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2007 13:27:30 +0000 (UTC) I have a Rolls RM65B mixer, it's a single space rackmount unit, it has a effects send but it's a mono send, stereo return. Paul Haslem www.dulcify.ca Ontario, Canada At 11:32 PM 6/26/2007, you wrote: >I am finding myself frustrated in my search for a rackmount mixer for >use with my Repeater. Ideally, I'd like to confine my gear to one box, >airplane safe. Surely there are 1 or 2 space solutions that offer >stereo inputs, and a stereo send? I have been lovingly accused of >carting around a "yard sale" when I play. I like hardware but I don't >want anymore hernias and I can't afford a laptop anyway. Am I doomed >to continue this pattern? > >jon/skincage From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 27 13:41:04 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D23853BF57; Wed, 27 Jun 2007 13:41:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <8542469.1182951662389.JavaMail.root@web23> Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2007 6:41:02 -0700 From: Paul Richards To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: Boomerang - Rang III (?) Cc: BreachinThePeace@aol.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Sensitivity: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <5Hxff.A.CqB.vjmgGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71739 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2007 13:41:03 +0000 (UTC) Nice sermon but, the original Boomerang sucks more than the RC-50. The sound was so bad, I sent it back to the vendor in a day or so (when I bought one years ago). The RC-50 is much more usable than the Booms as currently exist. Also, the new 'rang appears to be missing a lot. Why not rag on that? -- Paul ---- BreachinThePeace@aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 6/27/2007 3:31:48 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, > benoitruelle@yahoo.fr writes: > > Why is everyone complaining about the RC50? Because they want to access some > functionality with midi and that part is not working properly. It can be to > synchronise a flanger to a loop, to start an external drum machine (archaic > or not) or just to sync with other musicians. > > I can understand you point about musical instruments. > So much people, so much ways to make music. That's the interest of it. > > Ben. > > > > Thanks for the reply Ben. I really like the quality of the RC50, I just > don't care for it's immensly premature release. I think that was unforgivable > from a consumer's perspective. Maybe that seems harsh but when you consider the > number of years that floor loopers have been on the market, you would think > that a 600.00 mass produced pedal board that is a "take" on several existing > devices would be far more bug free. > > How about the fact that you simply cannot make an initial uninterrupted > loop? Is it just me or is that simply pathetic? Sure, as long as you are using > the looper device to forward or continue a pre existing loop, you won't hear > the gap. But as a musician playing an actual instrument that is looking to > harmoniously accompany oneself, it SUCKS and is simply unacceptable. > > I am not sure how anyone can honestly be satisfied with the RC50. To me all > this justification of the RC50 seems like a grand effort to polish a turd. I > guess you could say in this instance that I am "coming from" an almost > polarized perspective as far as applied expansion is concerned. My point is this. > In my mind, if a floor controlled looper unit meets it's unique design > efficiency quota, you should not need to expand upon it. You also should not have to > download "fixes" in an effort to eliminate poor design or out and outright > design flaws. > > I FULLY realize and acknowledge the Boomerang 1's faults and limitations. (I > never purchased the 2nd generation so I can't comment) But when you consider > it's release date with respect to where we are today it was beyond > magnificent. Sure, it's noisy as hell unless you really "play" with it and it's > quantitative capabilities were archaic at best. One has to understand however that > the Boomerang was the vision of two men that worked literally out of a garage > where these first units were made and assembled. The thing I really like > about Boomerang is their obvious personal devotion to releasing a product that > reflected an efficient human element within it's design. It was truly built by > musicians for musicians. It just seems like the more bells and whistles a > device like this has the greater the risk becomes of loosing that efficiency > and screwing up the mix so to speak. I guess in hind sight the RC50 is one more > example of somebody trying to reinvent the wheel. ;-) > > > > > > ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 27 13:52:58 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 47B623BF50; Wed, 27 Jun 2007 13:52:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Originating-IP: [216.113.128.239] X-Identified-User: {864:box76.bluehost.com:kevinkis:kevinkissinger.com} {sentby:webmail from 216.113.128.239} Message-ID: <20070627085255.w7tykz41wg0kwwc8@69.89.21.76> Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2007 08:52:55 -0500 From: kkissinger@kevinkissinger.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: Boomerang - Rang III (?) References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.3) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71740 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2007 13:52:58 +0000 (UTC) Quoting BreachinThePeace@aol.com: > > I really like the quality of the RC50, I just > don't care for it's immensly premature release. I think that was > unforgivable > from a consumer's perspective. I am inclined to agree with this statement. The Boss promotional ad loudly proclaimed that the RC-50 "speaks sync". However it doesn't sync to my external equipment in a useable manner. > How about the fact that you simply cannot make an initial uninterrupted > loop? Is it just me or is that simply pathetic? This is, indeed, pathetic. Fortunately they did fix this with a patch. > I am not sure how anyone can honestly be satisfied with the RC50. I cannot honesty say that I am satisfied with the RC50 because of the sync issues. To date, I have "messed around" with it in the studio but haven't used it for a finished work. For me, the "jury is still out" on this piece of equipment. I am also very interested in Mobius and look forward to working with it. -- Kevin From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 27 13:59:49 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A82AF3BF4A; Wed, 27 Jun 2007 13:59:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <092b01c7b8c3$6b447310$9db1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, CT-MRI@yahoogroups.com, Chain-Tape-Collective@yahoogroups.com References: <06fd01c7b745$15fae8a0$9db1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Subject: Re: Project MRI is Now Complete - also on physical CD for cost Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2007 07:59:44 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0928_01C7B891.1F93D820" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71741 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2007 13:59:49 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0928_01C7B891.1F93D820 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable One last update on this new CD. I have a page for it on my own website, = where you can buy the CD for cost (non-profit). Yes, cost, only $1.60 = USD + shipping: http://www.krispenhartung.com/mri/index.htm=20 This is for folks who like to touch and feel the actual product. Kris ----- Original Message -----=20 Hello all, Since its original inception on December 18, 2005, this officially = announces the completion of (CT) Collective - Project MRI. http://www.ct-collective.com/index.cfm?page=3Dmusic&albumid=3D26 (or = go to http://www.ct-collective.com , enter the site, and click on = projects) All the songs on this project were based on a set of sample recordings = of a real MRI machine. The artists manipulated the samples with various = effects and audio software, using the output as their final composition, = or using it as a backdrop for adding additional recorded tracks from = various Instruments. Thanks to all the participants for their hard work.=20 THE ARTISTS AND THEIR WORKS 1. Krispen Hartung - "Astrophonic Dreams in the Tube" - 6-String = mandolin, Lenovo ThinkPad T60p notebook computer (2.0GHz Intel core = duo), Reaktor 5, Mobius live looping software, custom MAX/MSP generated = VSTs 2. Adam Wimbush - "Par le descendeur d'esprit" - MP3 players, Tascam = mixer, EFX Units, "closed loop" monitering/recording with Mac 3. Rizzia - "Mood" 4. Fastus - "Magic Ride" - Akai S5000 sampler, Korg Electrib R MKII, = Cubase on PC, VSTs from Smartelectronix 5. Fabio Anile - "Landing on Waters" - Synth, real time looping, FXS = on MRI sample 6. Tony K - "Doppler" - Cut up samples with Sound Forge and = reassembled in Sonar, FX by Waves, and free VSTs 7. Rick Williamson - "Avant Candy" - iMac G3 400 mHz, MAX/MSP, Pluggo, = Sound Hack, SonicWorx, Performer 8. Rick Walker - "May Resonance Increase" - Mac G4 800mGHz laptop = computer, Windows XP PC (P4 2.4 GHz) desktop computer, FLStudio = Producers Edition 5.0 software, Bias Peak software, Cycling 74 Pluggo = and Hipno VST effects suites Please feel free to add your comments at the site above. Thanks! This project will also be made into a physical CD for = manufacturing/shipping cost only (non-profit). I will announce that in = a few weeks. Kris = *************************************************************************= * Krispen Hartung www.krispenhartung.com / www.myspace.com/krispenhartung info@krispenhartung.com / 1.208.724.5603=20 Discography - http://www.krispenhartung.com/catalogue.htm CD Baby Discography: http://cdbaby.com/all/khartung ------=_NextPart_000_0928_01C7B891.1F93D820 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

One last update on this new CD. I have = a page for=20 it on my own website, where you can buy the CD for cost (non-profit). = Yes, cost,=20 only $1.60 USD + shipping:

http://www.krispenhartung.com/mri/index.htm

This = is for folks=20 who like to touch and feel the actual product.

Kris

----- Original Message -----

Hello all,

Since its original inception on = December 18,=20 2005, this officially announces the completion of (CT) = Collective -=20 Project MRI.

http://www.ct-collective.com/index.cfm?page=3Dmusic&albumid=3D= 26 (or go to http://www.ct-collective.com ,=20 enter the site, and click on projects)

All the songs on this project = were based on=20 a set of sample recordings of a real MRI machine. The artists = manipulated the=20 samples with various effects and audio software, using the output as = their=20 final composition, or using it as a backdrop for adding additional = recorded=20 tracks from various Instruments.

Thanks to all the participants for = their hard=20 work.

THE ARTISTS AND THEIR=20 WORKS

1. Krispen Hartung - = "Astrophonic Dreams=20 in the Tube" - 6-String=20 mandolin, Lenovo ThinkPad T60p notebook computer (2.0GHz Intel core = duo),=20 Reaktor 5, Mobius live looping software, custom MAX/MSP generated=20 VSTs

2. Adam Wimbush - "Par le = descendeur=20 d'esprit" - MP3 = players, Tascam=20 mixer, EFX Units, "closed loop" monitering/recording with = Mac

3. Rizzia -=20 "Mood"

4. Fastus - "Magic Ride" -=20 Akai S5000 sampler, = Korg=20 Electrib R MKII, Cubase on PC, VSTs from Smartelectronix

5.=20 Fabio Anile - "Landing on Waters" - Synth, real time looping, FXS on MRI = sample

6.=20 Tony K - "Doppler" - Cut=20 up samples with Sound Forge and reassembled in Sonar, FX by Waves, and = free=20 VSTs

7.=20 Rick Williamson - "Avant Candy" - iMac G3 400 mHz, MAX/MSP, Pluggo, Sound Hack, SonicWorx,=20 Performer

8.=20 Rick Walker - "May Resonance Increase" - = Mac G4 800mGHz laptop computer, Windows XP PC = (P4 2.4 GHz)=20 desktop computer, FLStudio Producers Edition 5.0 software, Bias Peak = software,=20 Cycling 74 Pluggo and Hipno VST effects suites

Please feel free to add your comments = at the site=20 above. Thanks!

This project will also be made into a = physical CD=20 for manufacturing/shipping cost only (non-profit). I will = announce that=20 in a few weeks.

Kris

****************************************************************= **********
Krispen=20 Hartung
www.krispenhartung.com = / www.myspace.com/krispenhartung
info@krispenhartung.com /=20 1.208.724.5603
Discography - http://www.krispenhartung.com/catalogue.htm
CD Baby Discography: http://cdbaby.com/all/khartung=20

------=_NextPart_000_0928_01C7B891.1F93D820-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 27 14:13:30 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D73DB3BF25; Wed, 27 Jun 2007 14:13:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2007 10:13:52 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: paul Subject: Re: rackmount line mixers In-Reply-To: <20070627132728.F2F063BF4A@arsenic.violacea.com> References: <6df9336a0706262032l10347e87s7a266c3808b7a2c4@mail.gmail.com> <20070627132728.F2F063BF4A@arsenic.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Message-Id: <20070627141329.3EC953BED8@arsenic.violacea.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71742 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2007 14:13:30 +0000 (UTC) I forgot to mention, I have used it for stereo send by routing the monitor send to my effect as well. Each channel has an effect and monitor control and so used the strength of each individual send to preserve my stereo imaging. Paul Haslem At 09:27 AM 6/27/2007, you wrote: >I have a Rolls RM65B mixer, it's a single space rackmount unit, it >has a effects send but it's a mono send, stereo return. > >Paul Haslem > >www.dulcify.ca >Ontario, Canada > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 27 14:32:13 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 82A333BF4B; Wed, 27 Jun 2007 14:32:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: midifriedchicken@comcast.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE:ZAPPA Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2007 14:32:10 +0000 Message-Id: <062720071432.14294.468274EA00049311000037D62216527966020A050C07080C0B0A079D00070B0703@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Oct 4 2006) X-Authenticated-Sender: bWlkaWZyaWVkY2hpY2tlbkBjb21jYXN0Lm5ldA== MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_14294_1182954730_0" Resent-Message-ID: <2aAgcC.A.H0E.tTngGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71743 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2007 14:32:13 +0000 (UTC) --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_14294_1182954730_0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit You get an A+ -------------- Original message -------------- From: "greg williams" > Over twenty or so years, I have aquired an awe-inspiring collection of Zappa > on CD, cassette tape and records, including many rare items and bootlegs - > at last count I had around eighty titles scattered around the house. > > For my loopers delight weekend assignment I chose to listen to a recently > released live set from the early seventies called "Imaginary Diseases", > released posthumously by his family cottage-industry with his son Dweezil > producing - The Dweez is an amazing guitarist in his own right, check out > some of the Zappa plays Zappa videos on youtube. Imaginary Diseases kicks > serious amounts of gluteous, particulary the tracks "Been to Kansas City in > A Minor" - let that classically Zappaesque double-entendre seep in a moment > - and "D.C. Boogie" with not one but two stupendous Zappa solos. The title > track is also an otherwise unreleased instrumental little gem. > > Uncle Frank was an American treasure; equal parts serious composer, social > and political critic, and vaudevillian band leader. His productivity, > intellect and wit are still unrivalled in modern music history. Libertarian > to the core, he fought his whole life against censorship, conformity, > religion, timidity and stupidity - and had a whole heck of a lot of fun > doing it! What an inspirational human. > > Thanks for the assignment. > --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_14294_1182954730_0 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit

You get an A+

-------------- Original message --------------
From: "greg williams" <gregorwilliams@comcast.net>

> Over twenty or so years, I have aquired an awe-inspiring collection of Zappa
> on CD, cassette tape and records, including many rare items and bootlegs -
> at last count I had around eighty titles scattered around the house.
>
> For my loopers delight weekend assignment I chose to listen to a recently
> released live set from the early seventies called "Imaginary Diseases",
> released posthumously by his family cottage-industry with his son Dweezil
> producing - The Dweez is an amazing guitarist in his own right, check out
> some of the Zappa plays Zappa videos on youtube. Imaginary Diseases kicks
> serious amounts of gluteous, particulary the tracks "Been to Kansas City in
> A Minor" - let that classically Zappaesque double-entendre seep in a moment
> - and "D.C. Boogie" with not one but two stupendous Zappa solos. The title
> track is also an otherwise unreleased instrumental little gem.
>
> Uncle Frank was an American treasure; equal parts serious composer, social
> and political critic, and vaudevillian band leader. His productivity,
> intellect and wit are still unrivalled in modern music history. Libertarian
> to the core, he fought his whole life against censorship, conformity,
> religion, timidity and stupidity - and had a whole heck of a lot of fun
> doing it! What an inspirational human.
>
> Thanks for the assignment.
>

--NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_14294_1182954730_0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 27 14:33:22 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 316963BF52; Wed, 27 Jun 2007 14:33:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: midifriedchicken@comcast.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: out of office Re: out of office RE:ZAPPA Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2007 14:33:19 +0000 Message-Id: <062720071433.18540.4682752F0000F0530000486C2216527966020A050C07080C0B0A079D00070B0703@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Oct 4 2006) X-Authenticated-Sender: bWlkaWZyaWVkY2hpY2tlbkBjb21jYXN0Lm5ldA== MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_18540_1182954799_0" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71744 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2007 14:33:22 +0000 (UTC) --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_18540_1182954799_0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit What? He's out of office? -------------- Original message -------------- From: James Richmond > > On Jun 26, 2007, at 10:29 PM, manu@ricoloop.com wrote: > > > > > guten morgen! > > > > ich bin bis einschließlich 2.juli mailtechnisch schlecht zu erreichen. > > deswegen bitte ich um etwas geduld :) > > > > in dringenden fällen mobil: > > 0177.463 21 72 > > > > grüsse, > > manuel owono > > > > AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARGHGGHHGGHHHHH! --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_18540_1182954799_0 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit

What? He's out of office?

-------------- Original message --------------
From: James Richmond <yahoogroups@jamesrichmond.com>

>
> On Jun 26, 2007, at 10:29 PM, manu@ricoloop.com wrote:
>
> >
> > guten morgen!
> >
> > ich bin bis einschließlich 2.juli mailtechnisch schlecht zu erreichen.
> > deswegen bitte ich um etwas geduld :)
> >
> > in dringenden fällen mobil:
> > 0177.463 21 72
> >
> > grüsse,
> > manuel owono
> >
>
> AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARGHGGHHGGHHHHH!

--NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_18540_1182954799_0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 27 14:34:11 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A648D3BF4B; Wed, 27 Jun 2007 14:34:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: midifriedchicken@comcast.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: e-mail looping ;-) Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2007 14:34:10 +0000 Message-Id: <062720071434.21977.4682756200085498000055D92216527966020A050C07080C0B0A079D00070B0703@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Oct 4 2006) X-Authenticated-Sender: bWlkaWZyaWVkY2hpY2tlbkBjb21jYXN0Lm5ldA== MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_21977_1182954850_0" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71745 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2007 14:34:11 +0000 (UTC) --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_21977_1182954850_0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Let see how many we can do. Feedback 100% -------------- Original message -------------- From: Per Boysen > On 27 jun 2007, at 09.31, manu@ricoloop.com wrote: > > > > > guten morgen! > > > > ich bin bis einschließlich 2.juli mailtechnisch schlecht zu erreichen. > > deswegen bitte ich um etwas geduld :) > > > > in dringenden fällen mobil: > > 0177.463 21 72 > > > > grüsse, > > manuel owono > > > Has Ricoloop abandoned the Boss pedal to focus on e-mail looping? ;-) > > per > > > --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_21977_1182954850_0 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit

Let see how many we can do. Feedback 100%

-------------- Original message --------------
From: Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com>

> On 27 jun 2007, at 09.31, manu@ricoloop.com wrote:
>
> >
> > guten morgen!
> >
> > ich bin bis einschließlich 2.juli mailtechnisch schlecht zu erreichen.
> > deswegen bitte ich um etwas geduld :)
> >
> > in dringenden fällen mobil:
> > 0177.463 21 72
> >
> > grüsse,
> > manuel owono
>
>
> Has Ricoloop abandoned the Boss pedal to focus on e-mail looping? ;-)
>
> per
>
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>

--NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_21977_1182954850_0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 27 14:40:13 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 300183BF50; Wed, 27 Jun 2007 14:40:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: midifriedchicken@comcast.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: Boomerang Vs. RC50 Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2007 14:40:10 +0000 Message-Id: <062720071440.16077.468276C9000E831900003ECD2216527966020A050C07080C0B0A079D00070B0703@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Oct 4 2006) X-Authenticated-Sender: bWlkaWZyaWVkY2hpY2tlbkBjb21jYXN0Lm5ldA== MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_16077_1182955210_0" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71746 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2007 14:40:13 +0000 (UTC) --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_16077_1182955210_0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I've actually enjoyed my recent re-introduction with the RC-50. I've discovered several workarounds and outright solutions to several issues that I feel have made me a better looper. I was like you, I hated it and was going to sell it, but for the very specific situation Im using it for, its perfect. I also have heard form a very reliable source, that there will be a firmware update this summer that will fix several issues. MFC -------------- Original message -------------- From: BreachinThePeace@aol.com In a message dated 6/27/2007 3:31:48 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, benoitruelle@yahoo.fr writes: Why is everyone complaining about the RC50? Because they want to access some functionality with midi and that part is not working properly. It can be to synchronise a flanger to a loop, to start an external drum machine (archaic or not) or just to sync with other musicians. I can understand you point about musical instruments. So much people, so much ways to make music. That's the interest of it. Ben. Thanks for the reply Ben. I really like the quality of the RC50, I just don't care for it's immensly premature release. I think that was unforgivable from a consumer's perspective. Maybe that seems harsh but when you consider the number of years that floor loopers have been on the market, you would think that a 600.00 mass produced pedal board that is a "take" on several existing devices would be far more bug free. How about the fact that you simply cannot make an initial uninterrupted loop? Is it just me or is that simply pathetic? Sure, as long as you are using the looper device to forward or continue a pre existing loop, you won't hear the gap. But as a musician playing an actual instrument that is looking to harmoniously accompany oneself, it SUCKS and is simply unacceptable. I am not sure how anyone can honestly be satisfied with the RC50. To me all this justification of the RC50 seems like a grand effort to polish a turd. I guess you could say in this instance that I am "coming from" an almost polarized perspective as far as applied expansion is concerned. My point is this. In my mind, if a floor controlled looper unit meets it's unique design efficiency quota, you should not need to expand upon it. You also should not have to download "fixes" in an effort to eliminate poor design or out and outright design flaws. I FULLY realize and acknowledge the Boomerang 1's faults and limitations. (I never purchased the 2nd generation so I can't comment) But when you consider it's release date with respect to where we are today it was beyond magnificent. Sure, it's noisy as hell unless you really "play" with it and it's quantitative capabilities were archaic at best. One has to understand however that the Boomerang was the vision of two men that worked literally out of a garage where these first units were made and assembled. The thing I really like about Boomerang is their obvious personal devotion to releasing a product that reflected an efficient human element within it's design. It was truly built by musicians for musicians. It just seems like the more bells and whistles a device like this has the greater the risk becomes of loosing that efficiency and screwing up the mix so to speak. I guess in hind sight the RC50 is one more example of somebody trying to reinvent the wheel. ;-) See what's free at AOL.com. --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_16077_1182955210_0 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit

I've actually enjoyed my recent re-introduction with the RC-50. I've discovered several workarounds and outright solutions to several issues that I feel have made me a better looper. I was like you, I hated it and was going to sell it, but for the very specific situation Im using it for, its perfect.

I also have heard form a very reliable source, that there will be a firmware update this summer that will fix several issues.

MFC

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From: BreachinThePeace@aol.com

In a message dated 6/27/2007 3:31:48 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, benoitruelle@yahoo.fr writes:

Why is everyone complaining about the RC50? Because they want to access some functionality with midi and that part is not working properly. It can be to synchronise a flanger to a loop, to start an external drum machine (archaic or not) or just to sync with other musicians.

I can understand you point about musical instruments.

So much people, so much ways to make music. That's the interest of it.

Ben.

Thanks for the reply Ben. I really like the quality of the RC50, I just don't care for it's immensly premature release. I think that was unforgivable from a consumer's perspective. Maybe that seems harsh but when you consider the number of years that floor loopers have been on the market, you would think that a 600.00 mass produced pedal board that is a "take" on several existing devices would be far more bug free.

How about the fact that you simply cannot make an initial uninterrupted loop? Is it just me or is that simply pathetic? Sure, as long as you are using the looper device to forward or continue a pre existing loop, you won't hear the gap. But as a musician playing an actual instrument that is looking to harmoniously accompany oneself, it SUCKS and is simply unacceptable.

I am not sure how anyone can honestly be satisfied with the RC50. To me all this justification of the RC50 seems like a grand effort to polish a turd. I guess you could say in this instance that I am "coming from" an almost polarized perspective as far as applied expansion is concerned. My point is this. In my mind, if a floor controlled looper unit meets it's unique design efficiency quota, you should not need to expand upon it. You also should not have to download "fixes" in an effort to eliminate poor design or out and outright design flaws.

I FULLY realize and acknowledge the Boomerang 1's faults and limitations. (I never purchased the 2nd generation so I can't comment) But when you consider it's release date with respect to where we are today it was beyond magnificent. Sure, it's noisy as hell unless you really "play" with it and it's quantitative capabilities were archaic at best. One has to understand however that the Boomerang was the vision of two men that worked literally out of a garage where these first units were made and assembled. The thing I really like about Boomerang is their obvious personal devotion to releasing a product that reflected an efficient human element within it's design. It was truly built by musicians for musicians. It just seems like the more bells and whistles a device like this has the greater the risk becomes of loosing that efficiency and screwing up the mix so to speak. I guess in hind sight the RC50 is one more example of somebody trying to reinvent the whee l. ;-)

See what's free at AOL.com.

--NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_16077_1182955210_0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 27 14:54:00 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 329C93BF49; Wed, 27 Jun 2007 14:54:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Originating-IP: [216.113.128.239] X-Identified-User: {864:box76.bluehost.com:kevinkis:kevinkissinger.com} {sentby:webmail from 216.113.128.239} Message-ID: <20070627095357.uyv49w3zwgs0gock@69.89.21.76> Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2007 09:53:57 -0500 From: kkissinger@kevinkissinger.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: Boomerang Vs. RC50 References: <062720071440.16077.468276C9000E831900003ECD2216527966020A050C07080C0B0A079D00070B0703@comcast.net> In-Reply-To: <062720071440.16077.468276C9000E831900003ECD2216527966020A050C07080C0B0A079D00070B0703@comcast.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.3) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71747 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2007 14:54:00 +0000 (UTC) Quoting midifriedchicken@comcast.net: > I've actually enjoyed my recent re-introduction with the RC-50. ... > I also have heard form a very reliable source, that there will be a > firmware update this summer that will fix several issues. > > MFC Great news! Look forward to getting this update. If the RC-50 syncs and works smoothly, it will be an awesome loop station. -- Kevin From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 27 15:00:32 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 00E243BF46; Wed, 27 Jun 2007 15:00:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: midifriedchicken@comcast.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: Boomerang Vs. RC50 Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2007 15:00:30 +0000 Message-Id: <062720071500.7994.46827B8E0007CBB600001F3A2216527966020A050C07080C0B0A079D00070B0703@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Oct 4 2006) X-Authenticated-Sender: bWlkaWZyaWVkY2hpY2tlbkBjb21jYXN0Lm5ldA== MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_7994_1182956430_0" Resent-Message-ID: <0wimq.A.O5G.PungGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71748 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2007 15:00:31 +0000 (UTC) --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_7994_1182956430_0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit It does work very well as a master, just not so good as a slave. Kinda like me. -------------- Original message -------------- From: kkissinger@kevinkissinger.com > Quoting midifriedchicken@comcast.net: > > > I've actually enjoyed my recent re-introduction with the RC-50. ... > > I also have heard form a very reliable source, that there will be a > > firmware update this summer that will fix several issues. > > > > MFC > > Great news! Look forward to getting this update. If the RC-50 syncs > and works smoothly, it will be an awesome loop station. > > -- Kevin > --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_7994_1182956430_0 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit

It does work very well as a master, just not so good as a slave. Kinda like me.

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From: kkissinger@kevinkissinger.com

> Quoting midifriedchicken@comcast.net:
>
> > I've actually enjoyed my recent re-introduction with the RC-50. ...
> > I also have heard form a very reliable source, that there will be a
> > firmware update this summer that will fix several issues.
> >
> > MFC
>
> Great news! Look forward to getting this update. If the RC-50 syncs
> and works smoothly, it will be an awesome loop station.
>
> -- Kevin
>

--NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_7994_1182956430_0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 27 15:45:39 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E2F0D3BF4A; Wed, 27 Jun 2007 15:45:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <200706271545.l5RFjX3v025968@mail.cruzio.com> Reply-To: From: "William Walker" To: Subject: rack mount Line mixer Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2007 08:45:36 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0041_01C7B897.8832EDC0" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 Thread-Index: Ace40jRAelWh70FaSlCVQKxkZd75fg== X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.4 required=1.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,HTML_MESSAGE, MISSING_MID autolearn=disabled version=3.2.1 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.1 (2007-05-02) on mail.cruzio.com Resent-Message-ID: <-6sMTC.A.7UB.jYogGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71749 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2007 15:45:39 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0041_01C7B897.8832EDC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I've been using a Rane Sm-82, 8 stereo channels, and a two in two out stereo effects return. I bought it off E-bay. A more affordable option is a Euro rack mixer from behringer. They make a one rack space model that is similar to the rane but actually has a headphone out which the Rane does not. I'm very happy with the rane, though I'd like to get it modded like David Torns to have two independent effects sends. Bill ------=_NextPart_000_0041_01C7B897.8832EDC0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I’ve been using a Rane Sm-82, 8 stereo = channels, and a two in two out stereo effects return. I bought it off E-bay. A more = affordable option is a Euro rack mixer from behringer. They make a one rack space = model that is similar to the rane but actually has a headphone out which the = Rane does not. I’m very happy with the rane, though I’d like to = get it modded like David Torns to have two independent effects = sends.

Bill

------=_NextPart_000_0041_01C7B897.8832EDC0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 27 16:01:48 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DA9E03BF46; Wed, 27 Jun 2007 16:01:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <6df9336a0706262032l10347e87s7a266c3808b7a2c4@mail.gmail.com> References: <6df9336a0706262032l10347e87s7a266c3808b7a2c4@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2007 12:01:11 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Mech Subject: Re: rackmount line mixers Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71750 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2007 16:01:47 +0000 (UTC) At 8:32 PM -0700 6/26/07, skincage wrote: >I am finding myself frustrated in my search for a rackmount mixer for >use with my Repeater. Ideally, I'd like to confine my gear to one box, >airplane safe. Surely there are 1 or 2 space solutions that offer >stereo inputs, and a stereo send? Try looking at the Alesis ZoneMix 6 (and the Numark RM-6 -- which is identical except for the branding). It's a 1U rackmount mixer with six stereo inputs. It's designed for DJ's and installations, so any input can be routed or summed to either of two busses, A and/or B. Each channel has a switch for routing to A, B, or A+B; as well as individual volume and mute controls. Each bus is fully stereo with its own EQ, Pan, and Mute controls. I merely designate one of the busses for an Effect Send, and the other for the Mains. Then I route the Effect Returns back into individual channels. The only annoyance is that the unbalanced I/O is on RCA jacks. It's built well and there are plenty of jacks, though, so it turns out to be a pretty flexible configuration. They've been discontinued for a while, but still pop up on Ebay for reasonable prices. --m. -- _____ "I want to keep you alive so there is always the possibility of murder... later" From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 27 16:13:16 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3A6AF3BF49; Wed, 27 Jun 2007 16:13:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=rogers.com; h=Received:X-YMail-OSG:Message-ID:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=byWE3585xNIsCuquz2ywmmhXZUe+kJFdQUNaJQaa1WQ1RV8TCSfEoRXIeEFTxSyZ60MOFLYrs4bwg+J+XQIYIB8r5hXM0la7uWLfaUT8m++gbWRHw24vjHG3SCs28Um3i52QDB6KlDynyb4RLxjA+n7BQsb/zsNqDtxAji/+7SA= ; X-YMail-OSG: jer3XTkVM1nxuucQjZDPT9wrwxf2oPp8vp4RDglZo9Itj9YTz5S4r6WMKBbaoeEw5Q-- Message-ID: <014001c7b8d6$152ef6e0$a1f6684a@waynerfsko8185> From: "Wayne Eagles" To: Subject: British Audio Service EFC-7 upgrade? Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2007 12:13:20 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_013D_01C7B8B4.8D4D83C0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71751 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2007 16:13:16 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_013D_01C7B8B4.8D4D83C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Anyone have British Audio Service upgrade their EDP's EFC-7 footswitch = (new switches, resistors, wire and socket)? Recommended or is perhaps best to simply order new switches only... Pic of their upgrade/switches: = http://www.britishaudioservice.com/parts/edp/1-efc7.jpg Thanks, Wayne Eagles http://WayneEagles.com http://milligan-eaglesproject.com http://myspace.com/wayneeagles ------=_NextPart_000_013D_01C7B8B4.8D4D83C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Anyone have British Audio Service = upgrade their=20 EDP's EFC-7 footswitch (new switches, resistors, wire and = socket)?

Recommended or is perhaps best to = simply order=20 new switches only...

Pic of their upgrade/switches: http://w= ww.britishaudioservice.com/parts/edp/1-efc7.jpg

Thanks,
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------=_NextPart_000_013D_01C7B8B4.8D4D83C0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 27 16:17:39 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0B05B3BF4E; Wed, 27 Jun 2007 16:17:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Qua Veda" To: Subject: Laptops -dedicated to music only? Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2007 09:17:31 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Thread-Index: Ace41VUueM476DI5SGydIxDt3+zi/gAANWMQ In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <200706270923218.SM03816@quahome> X-RBL-Warning: REVDNS: This E-mail was sent from a MUA/MTA 206.212.233.27 with no reverse DNS entry. X-Declude-Sender: qua@oregon.com [206.212.233.27] X-Declude-Spoolname: D8eff023e0000f6ec.smd X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude JunkMail (www.declude.com) for spam. Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71752 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2007 16:17:38 +0000 (UTC) Question for those of you who use laptops. Do you dedicate/optimize the laptop for use with music/audio/video only? (i.e. , no email, finances, other personal apps that you might use on a personal computer) -Qua From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 27 16:20:07 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A3C5E3BF57; Wed, 27 Jun 2007 16:20:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <967639105.1182961202861.JavaMail.root@fepweb13> Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2007 9:20:02 -0700 From: =?utf-8?Q?tEd_=C2=AE_kiLLiAn?= To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: rack mount Line mixer MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Sensitivity: Normal X-Originating-IP: from 66.169.241.110 by mail.charter.net; Wed, 27 Jun 2007 12:20:02 -0400 X-Chzlrs: 0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71753 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2007 16:20:07 +0000 (UTC) My 2 cents, The best mixer I've found for my own looping purposes is the long out-of-p= roduction ROCKTRON G612. 12 chanels and 2 stereo FX send/returns and by puching a button you can tur= n the whole thing into 2 virtually separate 6-channel mixers with 2 mono se= nd/returns each. Mine died a few years ago and I was forced to try to use something else (fo= r general lack of availability of the G612s). I now use an old ROLAND ME120 that suffers from the same flaw that the Rane= suffers: 2 mono sends. It's quiet and (so far) reliable though, and I've found ways of making it w= ork. As long as I continue to loop with hardware it'll have a place in my rack. The ROCTRON G612s were/are scarcer than hen's teeth, but there are still RO= LAND ME120s around here and there. I still have my G612 tucked away in it's original box. Someday when I find someone who can fix it I will be a happy dude. 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So??? ---- William Walker wrote:=20 > I've been using a Rane Sm-82, 8 stereo channels, and a two in two out ste= reo > effects return. I bought it off E-bay. A more affordable option is a Euro > rack mixer from behringer. They make a one rack space model that is simil= ar > to the rane but actually has a headphone out which the Rane does not. I'm > very happy with the rane, though I'd like to get it modded like David Tor= ns > to have two independent effects sends. >=20 > Bill >=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 27 16:30:08 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AE6DA3BF56; Wed, 27 Jun 2007 16:30:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Originating-IP: [216.113.128.239] X-Identified-User: {864:box76.bluehost.com:kevinkis:kevinkissinger.com} {sentby:webmail from 216.113.128.239} Message-ID: <20070627113000.jk4utoslc4koc0wc@69.89.21.76> Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2007 11:30:00 -0500 From: kkissinger@kevinkissinger.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Laptops -dedicated to music only? References: <200706270923218.SM03816@quahome> In-Reply-To: <200706270923218.SM03816@quahome> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.3) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71754 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2007 16:30:08 +0000 (UTC) Quoting Qua Veda : > Question for those of you who use laptops. > Do you dedicate/optimize the laptop for use with music/audio/video only? > (i.e. , no email, finances, other personal apps that you might use on a > personal computer) > > -Qua The laptop that I use for music is strictly for music. I never connect it to the internet except: 1) to upload mp3s to my website 2) to register software or download upgrades My virus software is turned "off" except for the times when I am going to the internet. I also run behind a hardware firewall. Thus, the computer I am writing on now is NOT my music computer. -- Kevin From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 27 16:32:07 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D67A83BF62; Wed, 27 Jun 2007 16:32:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: BreachinThePeace@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2007 12:32:01 EDT Subject: Re: Laptops -dedicated to music only? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-----------------------------1182961921" X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5366 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71755 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2007 16:32:07 +0000 (UTC) -------------------------------1182961921 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 6/27/2007 12:17:59 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, qua@oregon.com writes: Question for those of you who use laptops. Do you dedicate/optimize the laptop for use with music/audio/video only? (i.e. , no email, finances, other personal apps that you might use on a personal computer) -Qua That's (audio dedicated) the only way to fly friend. If you plan on "pushing" it in a live performance sense, you will require one. Are you a Mac or PC user? ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. -------------------------------1182961921 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

In a message dated 6/27/2007 12:17:59 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,=20 qua@oregon.com writes:

<= FONT=20 style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" face=3DArial color=3D#000000 size= =3D2>Question=20 for those of you who use laptops.
Do you dedicate/optimize the laptop f= or=20 use with music/audio/video only?
(i.e. , no email, finances, othe= r=20 personal apps that you might use on a
personal=20 computer)

-Qua

That's (audio dedicated) the only way to fly friend. If you plan on=20 "pushing" it in a live performance sense, you will require one. Are you a Ma= c or=20 PC user?

See what's=20= free at AOL.com.

Anyone have British Audio Service upgr= ade their EDP's EFC-7 footswitch (new switches, resistors, wire and socket)?=

=A0

Pic of their=A0upgrade/swit= ches: http://www.britishaudioservice.com/parts/edp/1= -efc7.jpg

=3D --Apple-Mail-1-649946430-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 27 18:18:30 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 61D313BF3F; Wed, 27 Jun 2007 18:18:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <000a01c7b8e7$c4b45fe0$17b2a8c0@netzrechner> Reply-To: "Tilmann Dehnhard" From: "Tilmann Dehnhard" To: References: <014001c7b8d6$152ef6e0$a1f6684a@waynerfsko8185> <7903F03F-44B7-4245-997E-5254CF2B51D8@aol.com> Subject: Re: British Audio Service EFC-7 upgrade? Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2007 20:19:55 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0007_01C7B8F8.86F6A620" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX19yi7Ovg+iv2biDH9onX5OC5XD1IKfurbxPWln FTSBh/RoafofzglOKfkUamLMr2NFEZCsLSkVepaMDCptWcEdVs zVHwr08yqVVWQ5+Jr6XF5bdfEAseAXp Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71760 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2007 18:18:30 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C7B8F8.86F6A620 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable theses switches look loud... tilmann ----- Original Message -----=20 From: john floridis=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2007 8:14 PM Subject: Re: British Audio Service EFC-7 upgrade? has anyone done this? I've not seen this before. Anyone have British Audio Service upgrade their EDP's EFC-7 footswitch = (new switches, resistors, wire and socket)? Recommended or is perhaps best to simply order new switches only... Pic of their upgrade/switches: = http://www.britishaudioservice.com/parts/edp/1-efc7.jpg =3D ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C7B8F8.86F6A620 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

theses switches look = loud...

tilmann

----- Original Message -----

From:=20 john = floridis=20

To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20

Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2007 = 8:14=20 PM

Subject: Re: British Audio = Service EFC-7=20 upgrade?

has anyone done this? I've not seen this before.

Anyone have British = Audio=20 Service upgrade their EDP's EFC-7 footswitch (new switches, resistors, = wire=20 and socket)?

Recommended or is = perhaps best=20 to simply order new switches only...

Pic of=20 their upgrade/switches: http://www.britishaudioservice.com/parts/edp/1-efc7.jpg

=3D=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C7B8F8.86F6A620-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 27 18:28:48 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 56C803BF49; Wed, 27 Jun 2007 18:28:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=r05uVH1yE0LR2PZYx/dtPLHMa6V+eHnTX0AvHSsl7Vdlg50N2lgfvoPGMDlXJQXkWX7zfke+nZ4tz+CeHEOAYDhxdPLCDIM4b1/SoTDS4CY8szM81Tq4+ta1JmBcnG+QP3Kpy8cHIkSpvOdNkU1ZulNvyK3JTE4r8ZDwqsfb2+s= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=GHofgqohqqmwpR37t/KZgGx5IkP46UvIZGzPWXVe01jUY1GfCl8ZuJaa8dySygIqU9OKG/mX09v2KBzCfMZVh6357B7/E9/cMwRdDqqslwLvEnQo07C557kbUDtGCRhVpXih6HSwp8g76XtT/TszjfI27y+elQSRigvJA81zaEI= Message-ID: Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2007 13:28:45 -0500 From: "Jon Southwood" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Laptops -dedicated to music only? In-Reply-To: <200706271010171.SM05884@quahome> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_25470_166374.1182968925725" References: <095e01c7b8d9$c3fcff20$9db1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <200706271010171.SM05884@quahome> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71761 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2007 18:28:48 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_25470_166374.1182968925725 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline That shouldn't be a problem unless you're running Parallels while simultaneously trying to run the music stuff on the OS X side. If you normally have Parallels start when you log in, your best bet would probably be to have two users setup, one that launched Parallels at startup for your general/non-music stuff and a second user that would launch without Parallels. Then, Parallels isn't stealing resources when you want to do audio/music stuff. Of course, it might not even take all of that. You might just be able to quit Parallels and free up all the resources back to OS X. (I would hope so, but I'm not sure if Parallels leaves any background processes running when you quit.) Cheers, Jon Southwood On 6/27/07, Qua Veda wrote: > > Hi, > This is what I expected, I just thought I'd check to see. > I've been using a MacBookPro running WindowsXP in Parallels as part of a > pilot program at work. It occurred to me that if I bought my own > MacBookPro, > perhaps personal stuff could be run in Windows(Parallels), and music stuff > on the MacOS. But I think there would be a problem with memory > allocation > etc so that you'd end up with neither OS taking full advantage of the > hardware. > > -Qua > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Krispen Hartung [mailto:khartung@cableone.net] > Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2007 9:40 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: Laptops -dedicated to music only? > > Mine is music performance only as well, with the exception of accessing > the > internet for software updates and a few key forums, like max/msp, etc. I > don't change anything with the settings, so my virus checkers, etc, are > all > intact. > > I did, however, optimize my configuration for music applications, it's on > Sweetwater's website and thier PC optimization guide. > > http://www.sweetwater.com/sweetcare/ts/detail.php?Index=30058 > > Kris > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Qua Veda" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2007 10:17 AM > Subject: Laptops -dedicated to music only? > > > > Question for those of you who use laptops. > > Do you dedicate/optimize the laptop for use with music/audio/video only? > > (i.e. , no email, finances, other personal apps that you might use on a > > personal computer) > > > > -Qua > > > > > > > > ------=_Part_25470_166374.1182968925725 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline That shouldn't be a problem unless you're running Parallels while simultaneously trying to run the music stuff on the OS X side. If you normally have Parallels start when you log in, your best bet would probably be to have two users setup, one that launched Parallels at startup for your general/non-music stuff and a second user that would launch without Parallels. Then, Parallels isn't stealing resources when you want to do audio/music stuff. Of course, it might not even take all of that. You might just be able to quit Parallels and free up all the resources back to OS X. (I would hope so, but I'm not sure if Parallels leaves any background processes running when you quit.)

Cheers,

Jon Southwood

On 6/27/07, Qua Veda <qua@oregon.com> wrote:

Hi,
This is what I expected,  I just thought I'd check to see.
I've been using a MacBookPro running WindowsXP in Parallels as part of a
pilot program at work. It occurred to me that if I bought my own MacBookPro,
perhaps personal stuff could be run in Windows(Parallels), and music stuff
on the MacOS.    But I think there would be a problem with memory allocation
etc so that you'd end up with neither OS taking full advantage of the
hardware.

-Qua

-----Original Message-----
From: Krispen Hartung [mailto:khartung@cableone.net]
Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2007 9:40 AM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Re: Laptops -dedicated to music only?

Mine is music performance only as well, with the exception of accessing the
internet for software updates and a few key forums, like max/msp, etc. I
don't change anything with the settings, so my virus checkers, etc, are all
intact.

I did, however, optimize my configuration for music applications, it's on
Sweetwater's website and thier PC optimization guide.

http://www.sweetwater.com/sweetcare/ts/detail.php?Index=30058

Kris

----- Original Message -----
From: "Qua Veda" < qua@oregon.com>
To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2007 10:17 AM
Subject: Laptops -dedicated to music only?

> Question for those of you who use laptops.
> Do you dedicate/optimize the laptop for use with music/audio/video only?
> (i.e. ,  no email, finances, other personal apps that you might use on a
> personal computer)
>
> -Qua
>
>

------=_Part_25470_166374.1182968925725-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 27 18:46:56 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D9A843BF41; Wed, 27 Jun 2007 18:46:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=USyCrO8H4V1JZd94aTOJr6kwL1cq2QGIuizhVaaBXm6HR5WxLUvjwqzfSQ/DwMTXWUQSFK+WoisE67/Xjqld02FTCp76X+nfvQqFTnB8HSJBqjTAFw42i+q0aRmDLHccFIvXtPrBpG9YPujlOzCj07lgOJ93dACHcqRHmQ70gy0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=qfpQ7iroHV8NjI+mta4wTM8kS3F07g60cZ7PQB8QrqlQkJxOvES3G1gQwxLXnps2SYL8Z2N/flxVDdKosQwYMWn1a86Z0TkEKTkpXbkjaCq98JvZgytHFvAbLzXpF9kH+S3e/3kvElupAnH+erKsa+kUiNo3mBPDkYnRT1PvkUE= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <200706270923218.SM03816@quahome> References: <200706270923218.SM03816@quahome> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <9BD9E95E-80AA-4F05-91E2-1509CFD6CDE5@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Laptops -dedicated to music only? Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2007 20:46:52 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71762 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2007 18:46:56 +0000 (UTC) On 27 jun 2007, at 18.17, Qua Veda wrote: > Question for those of you who use laptops. > Do you dedicate/ Yes if it runs Windows XP. No if it runs OS X. > optimize A little; as in running XP in classic mode/skin. Turning off all animated graphics in XP. Turning off the screen-saver on both XP and OS X. > the laptop for use with music/audio/video only? > (i.e. , no email, finances, other personal apps that you might use > on a > personal computer) I used to do some system tweaking back on Windows 95 but not with XP and never on the Macs. No anti-virus software, which means practically no INternet for the XP boxes. And definitely never upgrading Windows since I got the system working fine. I use Macs for everything and PCs for Mobius. The Macs upgrade all the time, after I have checked with colleges that a new system upgrade doesn't harm any of the software I'm using for music. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 27 19:08:07 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5DC913BF39; Wed, 27 Jun 2007 19:08:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=c9RbSfCFuzxOemvxCz2moBddcWhQzVwufT2tsvE2nqRLleVv4UdrllHtk3WZi1oDUY47Ess47254uC0sjIrR4jU2gJ2Op3hyZKNRks2YCRI57rRqxETH80/k2FnlZje2om13jWGx8j/4Ssx5gPXxGjQuRy8xm+20+ytTav8McjQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=sF/UsS27w48aZkcYVeg5h5Y5D0heQymKg4GSYXj0eRpJ2anWWdIKbWY+ZdoHvjjGR49ud4toOWfJS+4KMhd/JEfAmZKFHMnvd6KiaaMZctPHbNV5n1QC0jIGLBxIOg/t07vvCkEsvXlQGH+3dZVrY+QG6c/sPmPYigJEIOmv4BA= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <200706271010171.SM05884@quahome> References: <200706271010171.SM05884@quahome> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <4902FF4A-D6F6-4ECE-B92C-9E2723C61F93@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Laptops -dedicated to music only? Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2007 21:08:01 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71763 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2007 19:08:07 +0000 (UTC) On 27 jun 2007, at 19.04, Qua Veda wrote: > This is what I expected, I just thought I'd check to see. > I've been using a MacBookPro running WindowsXP in Parallels as part > of a > pilot program at work. It occurred to me that if I bought my own > MacBookPro, > perhaps personal stuff could be run in Windows(Parallels), and > music stuff > on the MacOS. That's a good idea, if you really are sure that you won't need to run any music applications in windows. If you want to do also audio work in Windows you should use Bootcamp. With the latest version of Parallels you can boot from the Windows XP partition made with Bootcamp. If I had a MacBook (or MBPro) i think I would do it different though; using OS X and XP/bootcamp for audio applications and OS X for personal stuff and Internet. I know that would save up massively on time, frustration and money for me. Not to mention needing any virus protection software for the Mac side of the box, I hate those things because they slow down the system so much (I tried it on my PC but had to reformat and reinstall Windows WITHOUT virus protection and think twice) > But I think there would be a problem with memory allocation > etc so that you'd end up with neither OS taking full advantage of the > hardware. I think so too and have been told, by those early adopters who have tried, that this might be the case. No problem though, simply turn off Parallels when you need full recourses for audio work in OS X. And reboot with BootCamp if going for audio work under Windows. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 27 19:09:22 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E98AA3BF46; Wed, 27 Jun 2007 19:09:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <200706270923218.SM03816@quahome> References: <200706270923218.SM03816@quahome> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-3-653210940 Message-Id: From: James Richmond Subject: Re: Laptops -dedicated to music only? Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2007 15:09:17 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71764 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2007 19:09:22 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-3-653210940 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed > Question for those of you who use laptops. > Do you dedicate/optimize the laptop for use with music/audio/video > only? > (i.e. , no email, finances, other personal apps that you might use > on a > personal computer) My powerbook does everything although when doing serious (high DSP req) work I quit out of everything else. The PC laptops (I have 3) just run music software. Jim --Apple-Mail-3-653210940 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1

Question for those of you who use = laptops.

Do you = dedicate/optimize the laptop for use with music/audio/video = only?

(i.e. ,=A0 no email, finances, other = personal apps that you might use on a

personal computer)
=

My powerbook does everything although when = doing serious (high DSP req) work I quit out of everything = else.

The PC laptops (I have 3) just run music = software.

Jim

= --Apple-Mail-3-653210940-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 27 19:18:32 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BCE103BF50; Wed, 27 Jun 2007 19:18:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <095e01c7b8d9$c3fcff20$9db1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> References: <200706270923218.SM03816@quahome> <095e01c7b8d9$c3fcff20$9db1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2007 15:17:55 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Mech Subject: Re: Laptops -dedicated to music only? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71765 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2007 19:18:32 +0000 (UTC) One more thing to keep in mind if using Windows computers. If you're splitting your studio between two computers (one for email/internet & one for music), set up your email computer with a pseudo-studio configuration and use *that* computer to check out new plug-ins & software. Back when I ran MS 'puters all the time, I would spend hours at a time tracking down and cleaning crap out of the Registry. This was caused when I'd try out a new piece of software, decide it wasn't my thing, and delete it. Unfortunately, it's rare that these demos have a 100% clean uninstall. I found all that leftover junk would cause my performance to degrade (severely) over time. Only install on your studio computer software that you're 100% dedicated to actually using. Test new things out on another deck. --m. At 10:39 AM -0600 6/27/07, Krispen Hartung wrote: >Mine is music performance only as well, with the exception of >accessing the internet for software updates and a few key forums, >like max/msp, etc. I don't change anything with the settings, so my >virus checkers, etc, are all intact. > >I did, however, optimize my configuration for music applications, >it's on Sweetwater's website and thier PC optimization guide. > >http://www.sweetwater.com/sweetcare/ts/detail.php?Index=30058 > >Kris > > >----- Original Message ----- From: "Qua Veda" >To: >Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2007 10:17 AM >Subject: Laptops -dedicated to music only? > >>Question for those of you who use laptops. >>Do you dedicate/optimize the laptop for use with music/audio/video only? >>(i.e. , no email, finances, other personal apps that you might use on a >>personal computer) >> >>-Qua From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 27 19:30:03 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2F8383BF4E; Wed, 27 Jun 2007 19:30:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: <4902FF4A-D6F6-4ECE-B92C-9E2723C61F93@gmail.com> References: <200706271010171.SM05884@quahome> <4902FF4A-D6F6-4ECE-B92C-9E2723C61F93@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Craig McCollough Subject: Re: Laptops -dedicated to music only? Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2007 12:29:59 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - host.server20070.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - craigmccollough.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71766 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2007 19:30:03 +0000 (UTC) Howdy - I have a separate account for running music applications. It's minimal and does not have administrative access. I keep it backed up regularly and have personal info in a separate and encrypted account. So, if someone should snatch my laptop while setting up or tearing down for a performance I'm only out the $$$ for the laptop, and not faced with stolen personal or work information. Cheers, Craig From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 27 20:00:02 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AE8303BF37; Wed, 27 Jun 2007 20:00:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=bXXqimjA2dyJa5M9aczH4/psy+bgnJuGgGNMsNzZ5UjO+Rcs7rQOIRsWPB1/T/s4; h=Received:Date:Subject:Content-Type:Mime-Version:From:To:Content-Transfer-Encoding:In-Reply-To:Message-Id:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2007 13:09:49 -0700 Subject: Re: rackmount line mixers Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v553) From: Sheila Olson To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <6df9336a0706262032l10347e87s7a266c3808b7a2c4@mail.gmail.com> Message-Id: <5BDF9B24-24EA-11DC-B063-000393CA38DE@earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.553) X-ELNK-Trace: 573b2ac3a2420bc9f258f48946e2642d9ef193a6bfc3dd48d653ad178541ac7ba52094872a73519460db60e8d83655cd350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 69.3.128.219 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71767 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2007 20:00:02 +0000 (UTC) Check out the Rane SM28 Best, joe On Tuesday, June 26, 2007, at 08:32 PM, skincage wrote: > I am finding myself frustrated in my search for a rackmount mixer for > use with my Repeater. Ideally, I'd like to confine my gear to one box, > airplane safe. Surely there are 1 or 2 space solutions that offer > stereo inputs, and a stereo send? I have been lovingly accused of > carting around a "yard sale" when I play. I like hardware but I don't > want anymore hernias and I can't afford a laptop anyway. Am I doomed > to continue this pattern? > > jon/skincage > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 27 20:05:06 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 054593BF0A; Wed, 27 Jun 2007 20:05:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=SAhqaJkfHYW7GsZ5jgbDW+IxvoCJm0T4OUczNSzWPVlh4IllVNJfk1w6u0cSMs9bGgVzVOYUSwsS8DS3oP98/iKKQpfGAUJusg60cF5UGL8Ei0aNshKbTE+eGEj4Hp2+aKTFsUa86bfYoatU0iC8+amNHpVQJfqppUIZSRwLyhQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=lSeOE8NwysxjT0aou15vdxPyidgBwM4n+UNvflmV82+hBEm/h0bG7tDy6J1+4ssF74WKS0j5Dahbk3fziDDyZ7oPCaafpCQdYrgZb9R1XczGkgTZMVOh0Ga/7TnXKMZM2k1LvofwDj2MbrUstS0S/SRxX9razNfPgQcH+S1CIk8= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: References: <200706270923218.SM03816@quahome> <095e01c7b8d9$c3fcff20$9db1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <8C0DDC3D-947D-4E06-9F05-806C04123A2A@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Laptops -dedicated to music only? Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2007 22:05:01 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: <0czSjB.A.l4.xLsgGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71768 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2007 20:05:06 +0000 (UTC) On 27 jun 2007, at 21.17, Mech wrote: > Back when I ran MS 'puters all the time, I would spend hours at a > time tracking down and cleaning crap out of the Registry. When I was using only Windows machines (1998-2003, when Mac's were pretty lousy) I solve the Registry Pollution Problem by setting up four different, closed and bootable partitions on the machine. I'm not talking about multiple user account here, but four exclusive system partition. When starting the PC I could chose which partition/ system to boot. The active, booted, system were not allowed of the other three partitions, so in praxis I had four different PC's sharing the same hardware. The applications were (1) Office work and internet, (2) games, fun and crap, (3) music applications, (4) music applications. The two music partitions were identical, so if I was working in a session and got problems with windows I never needed to loose time (force people to wait) on troubleshooting the system but only rebooting into the other music system clone. I kept ghost images of the system partitions so it only took me eight minutes to erase a partition and put back the fresh installation (clean registry file and all). Work documents, recordings and sample libraries were saved on other hard drives and as such accessible from within any system partition. I used this setup successfully on three or four PC's before Apple launched the G5 boxes and I picked up one of those. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 27 20:10:18 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 930273BF48; Wed, 27 Jun 2007 20:10:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=B9pSCx+UI7MSf8tuQCP4C3S3jpoBmtUCb5IfS530lisDs5u1ZM0rO0vGpfVlm56b; h=Received:Date:Subject:Content-Type:Mime-Version:From:To:Content-Transfer-Encoding:In-Reply-To:Message-Id:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2007 13:20:06 -0700 Subject: Re: ZAPPA Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v553) From: Sheila Olson To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <000901c7b85a$bdf29e70$738ea643@gwdesk> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.553) X-ELNK-Trace: 573b2ac3a2420bc9f258f48946e2642d9ef193a6bfc3dd48d653ad178541ac7b20cc9b55ee5c721927b02ac19e33883a350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 69.3.128.219 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71769 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2007 20:10:18 +0000 (UTC) For those of you who find Franks humor a distraction, I recommend his "The Grand Wazoo" , "Waka/Jawaka", or "King Kong" Jean Luc Ponty plays the music of Frank Zappa. > Uncle Frank was an American treasure; equal parts serious composer, > social > and political critic, and vaudevillian band leader. His productivity, > intellect and wit are still unrivalled in modern music history. > Libertarian > to the core, he fought his whole life against censorship, conformity, > religion, timidity and stupidity - and had a whole heck of a lot of fun > doing it! What an inspirational human. Well put Greg. joe From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 27 20:47:33 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E92B43BF34; Wed, 27 Jun 2007 20:47:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <000901c7b8fc$9731ef50$17b2a8c0@netzrechner> Reply-To: "Tilmann Dehnhard" From: "Tilmann Dehnhard" To: References: Subject: guitar rig, anybody? Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2007 22:48:58 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0006_01C7B90D.5933AA20" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1+Lv8vvvAkP4pJxE7UGSjYWvZY9UnDCy4D8/cS GFnstCMVpPgrjymbdQrvbb1ILTgiCHeiudHyoQeYrHuTccFi5R U4zdlqtRJQKXP3V0wLH2c+a+bpqqeAj Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71770 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2007 20:47:32 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0006_01C7B90D.5933AA20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable dear fellow loopers,=20 i have experimented a bitty with native's guitar rig as a looper.=20 i built a rig with whammy bar-tremolo-looper-looper. when looping in multiply overdub mode, ugly clicking appeared (probably = some crossfade function missing, here). it seems not possible to preprogram the looper's multiply overdub mode. = switching it on occupies a whole switch on the midi pedal... when driving the whammy pedal up and down octaves via midi, clicking = occurred. and wierdest of all: some of my playing got played back erratically a = few seconds delayed... wow, ghost in the machine! (cpu usage was never over 25 %. no, i did not accidentally switch on one of the loopers.) anybody out there who tested guitar rig for looping? anybody used it on stage, yet? smooth looping - tilmann ------=_NextPart_000_0006_01C7B90D.5933AA20 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

dear fellow loopers,

i have experimented a bitty with = native's guitar=20 rig as a looper.

i built a rig with whammy=20 bar-tremolo-looper-looper.

when looping in multiply overdub mode, = ugly=20 clicking appeared (probably some crossfade function missing, = here).

it seems not possible = to preprogram the=20 looper's multiply overdub mode. switching it on occupies a whole switch = on the=20 midi pedal...

when driving the whammy pedal up and = down octaves=20 via midi, clicking occurred.

and wierdest of all: some of my playing = got played=20 back erratically a few seconds delayed...

wow, ghost in the machine!

(cpu usage was never over 25 = %.

no, i did not accidentally switch on = one of the=20 loopers.)

anybody out there who tested guitar rig = for=20 looping?

anybody used it on stage, = yet?

smooth looping - tilmann

------=_NextPart_000_0006_01C7B90D.5933AA20-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 27 21:02:17 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 881753BF36; Wed, 27 Jun 2007 21:02:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.co.uk; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=S2aO1ma+gL1OLX47z725mXsqKFfwpfCHlNgT/KT9WG78HLtxyABHsr0C4ZLi+jKh9Je5efh7Zza63kS0nfIpiJwKUKq2VnfxQ6yaj1cbIC0L0WSGpMYQt7pMwfv5x6qT5hcm3xAfrC8d0QP4FxtPRR07HZ+3lZLDA5MZKCUrH/4=; X-YMail-OSG: .03SAO4VM1kFOSVb77asAi2VfLtWHMa4u6keAwlf4fEM6G0OmZn84.YZvx3jxjIOsZzSDUF18ITnoZNVl06L6rV4u8oNu3VSAle6v3Ik80Kr6wZ9 Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2007 22:02:14 +0100 (BST) From: martin wilson Subject: Re: Laptops -dedicated to music only? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <8C0DDC3D-947D-4E06-9F05-806C04123A2A@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-312779304-1182978134=:8915" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <690357.8915.qm@web23109.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71771 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2007 21:02:17 +0000 (UTC) --0-312779304-1182978134=:8915 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I've got a dual boot laptop with a music only partition set up using info from Sound on Sound magazine, and googling "setting up computers for music". Its a 2.6 megahertz intel running Xp pro and cubase and I can get 5ms latency. J --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail is the world's favourite email. Don't settle for less, sign up for your freeaccount today. --0-312779304-1182978134=:8915 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit

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Don't settle for less, sign up for your free account today. --0-312779304-1182978134=:8915-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 27 21:34:57 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AD36B3BF34; Wed, 27 Jun 2007 21:34:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "greg williams" To: Subject: RE:ZAPPA Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2007 14:33:42 -0700 Message-ID: <000601c7b902$d5d68f30$738ea643@gwdesk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Thread-Index: Ace5AtVw87ReO/ZpSJ67I+ZidR4QeA== Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71772 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2007 21:34:57 +0000 (UTC) Midifriedchicken clucks: > You get an A+ Thanks for the GPA boost - best news my Mom has had all week! I just ate 3 eggs, sorry... -------------- Original message -------------- From: "greg williams" > Over twenty or so years, I have aquired an awe-inspiring collection of Zappa > on CD, cassette tape and records, including many rare items and bootlegs - > at last count I had around eighty titles scattered around the house. > > For my loopers delight weekend assignment I chose to listen to a recently > released live set from the early seventies called "Imaginary Diseases", > released posthumously by his family cottage-industry with his son Dweezil > producing - The Dweez is an amazing guitarist in his own right, check out > some of the Zappa plays Zappa videos on youtube. Imaginary Diseases kicks > serious amounts of gluteous, particulary the tracks "Been to Kansas City in > A Minor" - let that classically Zappaesque double-entendre seep in a moment > - and "D.C. Boogie" with not one but two stupendous Zappa solos. The title > track is also an otherwise unreleased instrumental little gem. > > Uncle Frank was an American treasure; equal parts serious composer, social > and political critic, and vaudevillian band leader. His productivity, > intellect and wit are still unrivalled in modern music history. Libertarian > to the core, he fought his whole life against censorship, conformity, > religion, timidity and stupidity - and had a whole heck of a lot of fun > doing it! What an inspirational human. > > Thanks for the assignment. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 27 22:01:47 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4BB9B3BF2D; Wed, 27 Jun 2007 22:01:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2007 23:56:50 +0200 From: Luca Bonvini Subject: Studio loop recording live stile To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71773 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2007 22:01:47 +0000 (UTC) Hello Everybody, thank you for keeping up this great site of ours! I'll try to make it as simple as possible, for what is possible. We are now in 2007. I work with loops and I need to record an acoustic instrument (lute) with highly sensitive mics (stereo) in a studio recording. I have one Echoplex but is mono and cut down the sound (I love to use it live anyway!!!) I want to have a very detailed stereo sound going into the computer and be able to loop, overdub, feedback and possibly multiply during the session (as if i was playing live with the Echoplex). It ia possiible to do it with Ableton Live 6 or similar software controlled by a midi pedal? Which software, which pedal? Is it possible to send midi out from the Echoplex to the software, controlling everything with the Echoplex footpedal and feedback? What is the best way? Am I asking too much? Thank you very much in advance for your possible suggestions, Luca From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 27 22:17:02 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BE50C3BF2D; Wed, 27 Jun 2007 22:17:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Bernhard Wagner LD Subject: Re: Studio loop recording live stile Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2007 00:16:58 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71774 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2007 22:17:02 +0000 (UTC) Interesting idea to use the EDP as MIDI footpedal ;) It would actually work. software that does what you want: http://zonemobius.com Bernhard On 27.06.2007, at 23:56, Luca Bonvini wrote: > Hello Everybody, thank you for keeping up this great site of ours! > > I'll try to make it as simple as possible, for what is possible. > We are now in 2007. > I work with loops and I need to record an acoustic instrument > (lute) with highly sensitive mics (stereo) in a studio recording. > I have one Echoplex but is mono and cut down the sound (I love to > use it live anyway!!!) > I want to have a very detailed stereo sound going into the computer > and be able to loop, overdub, feedback and possibly multiply during > the session (as if i was playing live with the Echoplex). > It ia possiible to do it with Ableton Live 6 or similar software > controlled by a midi pedal? Which software, which pedal? > Is it possible to send midi out from the Echoplex to the software, > controlling everything with the Echoplex footpedal and feedback? > What is the best way? Am I asking too much? > > Thank you very much in advance for your possible suggestions, > Luca > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 27 22:19:24 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 932493BF37; Wed, 27 Jun 2007 22:19:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: AW: Studio loop recording live stile Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2007 00:19:41 +0200 Organization: Moinlabs Message-ID: <005001c7b909$4226ed00$1001a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 In-Reply-To: thread-index: Ace5CONwgh4tp77CSYS+ZSHM5WUuQwAAD/XA X-RZG-AUTH: lUESeo99iNzPL8kuBgLYdKEqUywq9cxqeRA+BtFcSCD5deQ7OIWDdKLaqKU= X-RZG-CLASS-ID: mo07 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71775 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2007 22:19:24 +0000 (UTC) > > software that does what you want: http://zonemobius.com If I'm not mistaken, Mobius is still limited to a sample rate of 44.1kHz, which might not be sufficient in the described audiophile studio recording situation. Rainer From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 27 23:00:47 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 463883BF3A; Wed, 27 Jun 2007 23:00:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2007 01:00:43 +0200 From: Luca Bonvini Subject: Re: Studio loop recording live stile In-reply-to: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <98DFE03D-2544-4691-975B-E4C8BE212CBE@free.fr> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT References:

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