From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 1 00:39:32 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6303C3BEB8; Tue, 1 May 2007 00:39:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-YMail-OSG: _uBKMGMVM1mVM98vYaVlD8cl1dSKbUcqt7FDG.FicPeetv1AZUwROyVldu2dOpMTsPI.0uV54g-- Message-ID: <002501c78b89$2452b910$4101a8c0@MICHAELPLISHKA> From: "Michael Plishka" To: References: <868480.51940.qm@web81011.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Long distance Music Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 19:39:12 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Resent-Message-ID: <0Z6CjB.A.kKD.ExoNGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69889 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 1 May 2007 00:39:32 +0000 (UTC) I am trying to record with someone a couple thousand miles away. What does this fair group suggest? 1. Doing my part of the recording and sending the CD or emailing the files? 2. Using software and synching up live? Thanks! Plish From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 1 00:52:27 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C6ADB3BEC2; Tue, 1 May 2007 00:52:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Originating-IP: [207.90.215.129] X-Identified-User: {864:box76.bluehost.com:kevinkis:kevinkissinger.com} {sentby:webmail from 207.90.215.129} Message-ID: <20070430195225.uw9nazx4gw08ccg8@69.89.21.76> Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 19:52:25 -0500 From: kkissinger@kevinkissinger.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Long distance Music References: <868480.51940.qm@web81011.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <002501c78b89$2452b910$4101a8c0@MICHAELPLISHKA> In-Reply-To: <002501c78b89$2452b910$4101a8c0@MICHAELPLISHKA> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.3) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69890 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 1 May 2007 00:52:27 +0000 (UTC) Quoting Michael Plishka : > I am trying to record with someone a couple thousand miles away. What > does this fair group suggest? > 1. Doing my part of the recording and sending the CD or emailing the files= ? > 2. Using software and synching up live? > > Thanks! > > Plish I have been involved in a couple of long-distance projects. In both =20 cases, the music was rhythmic/traditional (that is, not free-form) - =20 thus tuning and tempo were important. In both cases I was adding a theremin track. I requested two mp3's -- =20 identical except that one of them included a cue track with my part -- =20 I learned the part "by ear" from the version-with-cue but found it =20 easier, when time to lay down my track, to listen to the =20 version-without-cue. I set my track's start and end points to be =20 identical with the supplied track to simplify syncing/mixdown on the =20 other end. I recorded my tracks "dry" (no reverb or fx). I sent mp3 files at first for approval -- and when the person on the =20 other end said that the tracks were ok, I zipped a .wav file, uploaded =20 it to my website, and then emailed the url of the zip to the person. I have heard a little about real-time online collaboration however I =20 have no information about it. -- Kevin From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 1 01:04:18 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E57883BECF; Tue, 1 May 2007 01:04:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: Long distance Music Date: Tue, 1 May 2007 03:04:27 +0200 Organization: Moinlabs Message-ID: <000101c78b8c$aa9aea30$1001a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 In-Reply-To: <002501c78b89$2452b910$4101a8c0@MICHAELPLISHKA> Thread-Index: AceLiTBFrUontOhzR1aplWQJXRdrqwAADA4w X-RZG-AUTH: lUESeo99iNzPL8kuBgLYdKEqUywq9cxqeRA+BtFcSCD5deQ7OIWOxwVYczs= X-RZG-CLASS-ID: mo07 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69891 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 1 May 2007 01:04:17 +0000 (UTC) > I am trying to record with someone a couple thousand miles > away. What does this fair group suggest? > 1. Doing my part of the recording and sending the CD or > emailing the files? > 2. Using software and synching up live? As always, it depends on what you're trying to do ;-) First of all, when you're recording, I assume that sound quality is an issue. All of the internet collaboration things I know about use lossy audio compression - sometimes, massive audio compression. What's more, with the systems I know you don't have a direct influence on that, so you're always at the mercy of that specific software. So when you do that "synching up live" thing, you'll most probably want to exchange audio files as well. Second, an important point would be in how far interaction of the musicians is important. If your stuff is completely composed, I see no point at all in playing together over the internet. If on the other hand you're doing really interactive stuff, sending files to and fro will get some kind of one-way-interaction only. About technology: I suggest using FLAC for audio coding if sound quality is a top issue. Then, about the internet jam thing: There are two technologies with which I worked which are usable, and a third one I've only read about. The first one is the well-known Ninjam - www.ninjam.com. It works by delaying your respective streams deliberately so the delay fits in a given tempo/beat format - e.g. four measures. This makes it necessary to play with a beat, and the metronome speed of Ninjam is a bit...strange sometimes, which might make it necessary to MIDI-sync to Ninjam, which can also be a problem (search the archives or ask again for details...). This allows the participants to play with the same beat, and the respective delays can be corrected (or not) when assembling the recordings later. Then there's openplug by t-u-b-e - www.t-u-b-e.de/openplug.html . This is without the tricky beat-oriented thing, but it has the charm that it works as a VST plugin. An example of a session can also be found here: http://video.google.de/videoplay?docid=266953071112854790&q=moinlabs Both products are free stuff, Ninjam is also open source (I think, at least the source code is available). Finally, there's a new player out there: http://www.ejamming.com/. I haven't checked out what's special about it or how it works, but it seems they're going to make it payware after the beta phase. If you dare to give it a spin, I would be glad for your report! Summarizing: Playing over the internet only makes sense if two-directional interaction between the respective musicians is important. Depending whether your music is beat-driven or pulse-free, Ninjam or openplug can be candidates (or perhaps even ejamming). Even when doing this, I strongly recommend that each musican makes a recording of his own playing locally to give you access to high-quality sound files. Rainer From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 1 01:05:51 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B04E93BED2; Tue, 1 May 2007 01:05:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-YMail-OSG: 21ZCo3sVM1nincUgThaSH3jELmqGF6oQz7.NxYEoHI197ej8FVbHB_Pu5aWseeoOeWNPfKYHiQ-- Message-ID: <000301c78b8c$d245a390$4101a8c0@MICHAELPLISHKA> From: "Michael Plishka" To: References: <868480.51940.qm@web81011.mail.mud.yahoo.com><002501c78b89$2452b910$4101a8c0@MICHAELPLISHKA> <20070430195225.uw9nazx4gw08ccg8@69.89.21.76> Subject: Re: Long distance Music Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 20:05:32 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69892 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 1 May 2007 01:05:51 +0000 (UTC) Thanks for your technique review, Kevin! P ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 7:52 PM Subject: Re: Long distance Music Quoting Michael Plishka : > I am trying to record with someone a couple thousand miles away. What > does this fair group suggest? > 1. Doing my part of the recording and sending the CD or emailing the > files? > 2. Using software and synching up live? > > Thanks! > > Plish I have been involved in a couple of long-distance projects. In both cases, the music was rhythmic/traditional (that is, not free-form) - thus tuning and tempo were important. In both cases I was adding a theremin track. I requested two mp3's -- identical except that one of them included a cue track with my part -- I learned the part "by ear" from the version-with-cue but found it easier, when time to lay down my track, to listen to the version-without-cue. I set my track's start and end points to be identical with the supplied track to simplify syncing/mixdown on the other end. I recorded my tracks "dry" (no reverb or fx). I sent mp3 files at first for approval -- and when the person on the other end said that the tracks were ok, I zipped a .wav file, uploaded it to my website, and then emailed the url of the zip to the person. I have heard a little about real-time online collaboration however I have no information about it. -- Kevin From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 1 01:20:56 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1E1CE3BED2; Tue, 1 May 2007 01:20:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=o7iE2nrcPa7kqduZNv1GqsFtrBhsDY9IlrM0FgH7CgHu1k4ERPWTa2IvVG5bCfBC5UDr1N2rMcxRD0ZZYZYImrXJDfmjELYb/N1eqAg+Zfy6kPUth6zF/yVCq6mNU6tBPDO/1w170hZfMZYVppJ35GqUaM+AxtHYKRWXQqi1eKQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=cnrMBifyl14W4OhT/rETiYh6I8j6PBxwa7g++PLBBw7kTEaQmFg7oXN/mNZVme8Z40lZWRg/Fx0DewzpiaYL1fX1mqty0G+f+M7oKJiKutNVWC+XM9H2AD6eluwIuv9Nbcr1ALqtvmpiIbGjS2QN8QfrQMiITyeDJPBqYZTWZic= Message-ID: <9e0440a60704301820r53765473x8397db2611775d1a@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 21:20:52 -0400 From: "Jim Goodin" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Long distance Music In-Reply-To: <000301c78b8c$d245a390$4101a8c0@MICHAELPLISHKA> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_248000_12138407.1177982452443" References: <868480.51940.qm@web81011.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <002501c78b89$2452b910$4101a8c0@MICHAELPLISHKA> <20070430195225.uw9nazx4gw08ccg8@69.89.21.76> <000301c78b8c$d245a390$4101a8c0@MICHAELPLISHKA> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69893 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 1 May 2007 01:20:56 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_248000_12138407.1177982452443 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Michael - another musician Daryl Shawn , living 4000 miles away from me (Brooklyn NY) who I met through Loopers... and I have been successfully recording via NinJam doing almost every weekend every month since last October. The meeting/working/creating led to forming a duo we are successfully marketing and planning "live" times called Chinapainting. We've produced two CD's from this effort all from NinJam. I would encourage whatever you're thinking of working on doing it live via NinJam, there is some slight delay that you adapt to and it's really amazing. Best with it Jim Goodin On 4/30/07, Michael Plishka wrote: > > Thanks for your technique review, Kevin! > > P > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 7:52 PM > Subject: Re: Long distance Music > > > Quoting Michael Plishka : > > > I am trying to record with someone a couple thousand miles away. What > > does this fair group suggest? > > 1. Doing my part of the recording and sending the CD or emailing the > > files? > > 2. Using software and synching up live? > > > > Thanks! > > > > Plish > > > I have been involved in a couple of long-distance projects. In both > cases, the music was rhythmic/traditional (that is, not free-form) - > thus tuning and tempo were important. > > In both cases I was adding a theremin track. I requested two mp3's -- > identical except that one of them included a cue track with my part -- > I learned the part "by ear" from the version-with-cue but found it > easier, when time to lay down my track, to listen to the > version-without-cue. I set my track's start and end points to be > identical with the supplied track to simplify syncing/mixdown on the > other end. I recorded my tracks "dry" (no reverb or fx). > > I sent mp3 files at first for approval -- and when the person on the > other end said that the tracks were ok, I zipped a .wav file, uploaded > it to my website, and then emailed the url of the zip to the person. > > I have heard a little about real-time online collaboration however I > have no information about it. > > -- Kevin > > > > -- The Acoustic World Guitar of Jim Goodin - http://www.jimgoodinmusic.com MySpace (solo) - http://www.myspace.com/jimgoodinmusic Chinapainting - http://www.chinapaintingmusic.com Chinapainting on My Space - http://www.myspace.com/chinapaintingmusic.com The Jim Goodin label and home for 7 other creative souls - http://www.woodandwiremusic.com Jim Goodin uses GHS Strings - http://www.ghsstrings.com and Seagull Guitars - http://www.seagullguitars.com, Jim Goodin is published by Mel Bay Publications, Inc. - http://www.melbay.com Associates and friends on the web - Daryl Shawn - http://www.swanwelder.com Adam Werner - http://www.adamwerner.com John Stowell - http://www.johnstowell.com Matt Richards - http://www.mattrichardsmusic.net Michael Manring - http://www.manthing.com Will Ackerman - http://www.williamackerman.com New Land Music - http://www.newlandmusic.com ------=_Part_248000_12138407.1177982452443 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline
Michael - another musician Daryl Shawn, living 4000 miles away from me (Brooklyn NY) who I met through Loopers... and I have been successfully recording via NinJam doing almost every weekend every month since last October.  The meeting/working/creating led to forming a duo we are successfully marketing and planning "live" times called Chinapainting.  We've produced two CD's from this effort all from NinJam.  I would encourage whatever you're thinking of working on doing it live via NinJam, there is some slight delay that you adapt to and it's really amazing.
 
Best with it
 
On 4/30/07, Michael Plishka <mike@michaelplishka.com> wrote:
Thanks for your technique review, Kevin!

P
----- Original Message -----
From: < kkissinger@kevinkissinger.com>
To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 7:52 PM
Subject: Re: Long distance Music


Quoting Michael Plishka <mike@michaelplishka.com>:

> I am trying to record with someone a couple thousand miles away.  What
> does this fair group suggest?
> 1. Doing my part of the recording and sending the CD or emailing the
> files?
> 2. Using software and synching up live?
>
> Thanks!
>
> Plish


I have been involved in a couple of long-distance projects.  In both
cases, the music was rhythmic/traditional (that is, not free-form) -
thus tuning and tempo were important.

In both cases I was adding a theremin track.  I requested two mp3's --
identical except that one of them included a cue track with my part --
I learned the part "by ear" from the version-with-cue but found it
easier, when time to lay down my track, to listen to the
version-without-cue.  I set my track's start and end points to be
identical with the supplied track to simplify syncing/mixdown on the
other end.  I recorded my tracks "dry" (no reverb or fx).

I sent mp3 files at first for approval -- and when the person on the
other end said that the tracks were ok, I zipped a .wav file, uploaded
it to my website, and then emailed the url of the zip to the person.

I have heard a little about real-time online collaboration however I
have no information about it.

-- Kevin






--
The Acoustic World Guitar of Jim Goodin  - http://www.jimgoodinmusic.com
MySpace (solo) - http://www.myspace.com/jimgoodinmusic
Chinapainting -
http://www.chinapaintingmusic.com
Chinapainting on My Space -
http://www.myspace.com/chinapaintingmusic.com
The Jim Goodin label and home for 7 other creative souls - http://www.woodandwiremusic.com
Jim Goodin uses GHS Strings - http://www.ghsstrings.com and Seagull Guitars - http://www.seagullguitars.com, Jim Goodin is published by Mel Bay Publications, Inc. - http://www.melbay.com

Associates and friends on the web -
Daryl Shawn -
http://www.swanwelder.com
Adam Werner - http://www.adamwerner.com
John Stowell - http://www.johnstowell.com
Matt Richards - http://www.mattrichardsmusic.net
Michael Manring - http://www.manthing.com
Will Ackerman - http://www.williamackerman.com
New Land Music - http://www.newlandmusic.com ------=_Part_248000_12138407.1177982452443-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 1 01:31:34 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6DE973BECA; Tue, 1 May 2007 01:31:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:from:to:references:subject:date:message-id:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-mailer:x-mimeole:in-reply-to:thread-index; b=potrdIE1TFor5bzw/QDn6/zCTuz+vK97f/eRVDfH7AyVKqAnvgLG7TNHnWHNpPDI1XlkKFKkQhlyNoAO2WwcymOgqlxgUEx0EaNrEt1FXkdfazOsehMhpExFhu3y9Qx5sJS/AqRRt3uMSF6JUvetqBAnrgsAEnSaCvnIqJ9qptg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:from:to:references:subject:date:message-id:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-mailer:x-mimeole:in-reply-to:thread-index; b=AzZAerQiWPxZ+l0cZQoskHRMo7nYMQqTFEzPj/HeT+Cegbb35HuVhyyQvavFqmFNMa85N85b1xfIyqcZSFggRdJRHOiaEjaUBohMZp5gw5yYE97qjxv3dzsHdZOIJPOwBnZpgCCE8/48C6fNBoR4Ggs6Xatcgp6y6fIdWpfhbHw= From: "Tony K" To: References: <868480.51940.qm@web81011.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <002501c78b89$2452b910$4101a8c0@MICHAELPLISHKA> Subject: RE: Long distance Music Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 21:31:28 -0400 Message-ID: <005501c78b90$71a99880$0200a8c0@daw1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1250" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 In-Reply-To: <002501c78b89$2452b910$4101a8c0@MICHAELPLISHKA> thread-index: AceLiTzJiyje+85lT7iRzq7Y4t10twABlXtw Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69894 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 1 May 2007 01:31:34 +0000 (UTC) Syncing live is tough over the net if you are trying to do something that involves, well, being synced. as there's always latency through the net. You might see if your recording software will save OMF files so you can exchange the whole project. Tony -----Original Message----- From: Michael Plishka [mailto:mike@michaelplishka.com] Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 8:39 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Long distance Music I am trying to record with someone a couple thousand miles away. What does this fair group suggest? 1. Doing my part of the recording and sending the CD or emailing the files? 2. Using software and synching up live? Thanks! Plish No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.467 / Virus Database: 269.6.2/781 - Release Date: 4/30/2007 9:14 AM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.467 / Virus Database: 269.6.2/781 - Release Date: 4/30/2007 9:14 AM From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 1 01:39:42 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D72A73BECF; Tue, 1 May 2007 01:39:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) To: Loop List Message-Id: <40A153CA-BE89-4F10-9998-2CD849CCE1F0@steve-lawson.co.uk> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-7--39603530 From: Steve Lawson Subject: RE: Gig spam... (Scandinavia) Date: Tue, 1 May 2007 02:39:35 +0100 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - dot1.hosting-ontap.co.uk X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - steve-lawson.co.uk X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69895 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 1 May 2007 01:39:42 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-7--39603530 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Per, the guitar show sounds like a lot of fun! Jonas Hellborg's band should be great (say hi from me if you speak to him) - same goes for Charlie Moreno, he's a great bassist from Spain. Lovely lad, please pass on my greetings! :o) cheers Steve www.stevelawson.net - site www.stevelawson.net/zencart/ - shop http://steve.anthropiccollective.org - blog www.myspace.com/solobassstevelawson --Apple-Mail-7--39603530 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Per,=A0

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= --Apple-Mail-7--39603530-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 1 01:45:55 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B21D13BED3; Tue, 1 May 2007 01:45:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <46369B66.2060807@adelphia.net> Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 21:44:06 -0400 From: Brian Good User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (Macintosh/20050923) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Long distance Music References: <868480.51940.qm@web81011.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <002501c78b89$2452b910$4101a8c0@MICHAELPLISHKA> In-Reply-To: <002501c78b89$2452b910$4101a8c0@MICHAELPLISHKA> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69896 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 1 May 2007 01:45:55 +0000 (UTC) Michael Plishka wrote: > I am trying to record with someone a couple thousand miles away. What > does this fair group suggest? > 1. Doing my part of the recording and sending the CD or emailing the files? > 2. Using software and synching up live? > > Thanks! > > Plish > Michael: If you don't need to work in real time, there are collaborative sites like http://www.indabamusic.com/ that can serve as repositories for files during a collaboration. Indaba has a free membership level that gives you a limited amount of upload/download bandwidth per month, along with a "studio" where you can hear works in progress. I've done a couple things with friends that way. Brian From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 1 06:02:10 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F0E893BEC2; Tue, 1 May 2007 06:02:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 23:01:58 -0700 From: Shayne Cafferata Subject: Original Nintendo AC output adapter works with DL4 and Alesis ModFX To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <4636D7D6.8040103@sasktel.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.10 (Windows/20070221) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69897 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 1 May 2007 06:02:09 +0000 (UTC) that is the short and sweet of it. you can find these adapters at thrift stores and yard sales everywhere. i had like 5 of these things. one day i thought, " when am i ever gonna use these" and threw them all out except one. then i got a dl4 w/o a pwr supply. dug out the remaining adapter, changed the plug end to one of those radio shack adapta-plugs cuz i thought polarity mattered(not with ac output i was told. it is converted to dc once it hits the dl4), and presto. works great. then i got an adapterless ampliton. i was holding it in my hands, thinking sadly of the other 4 adapters in a garbage bag somewhere in the middle of a slag heap. as luck would have it, i found another 9v ac output(non-nintendo) in my box of adapters. so anyway, now you all have a good reason to hang on to(or seek out) those useless nintendo adapters. cheerio, shayne From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 1 07:54:25 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B97233BEC5; Tue, 1 May 2007 07:54:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=hfFIL4Kp6kYun7GMIojQaJLi4Io4kJhezfDjkgFAbElJ9LDzReBoid8OS1Ue63dKv586pOCwLMM03oA1th6EcLVlxNtWnTJ19a5rA0yhywE8nz90mm5V5NCQ3LZuUeC9BCRdjFGoo6TuEY/3i+axUbImOeLh1B1PwramGbbKlWE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=pgrikM8DCvbdMfSR9Z0tbZ9l/++7gxoQdSyCan3xSu/Nv7X5WukytslFOq47e7TBxwcQdE++k+ZfDyb5RhyC8DrmcLokqgx9YqzAnBze2sbfmSbvyNawyP49E5v23EOu93LspoloPowOotlz7KX7UcI7FyUGJcpdWERQ/ahKCkw= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <40A153CA-BE89-4F10-9998-2CD849CCE1F0@steve-lawson.co.uk> References: <40A153CA-BE89-4F10-9998-2CD849CCE1F0@steve-lawson.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <4A7E49DB-373E-4937-B349-934B50EBC981@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Gig spam... (Scandinavia) Date: Tue, 1 May 2007 09:54:21 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69898 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 1 May 2007 07:54:25 +0000 (UTC) On 1 maj 2007, at 03.39, Steve Lawson wrote: > Per, > > the guitar show sounds like a lot of fun! Jonas Hellborg's band > should be great (say hi from me if you speak to him) - same goes > for Charlie Moreno, he's a great bassist from Spain. Lovely lad, > please pass on my greetings! :o) I will, Steve :-) Per From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 1 08:45:25 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 07A8F3BEC5; Tue, 1 May 2007 08:45:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-priority:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=AAPn9C/55HtBI/pDNWlOMS8xu+t0Tiyew5DhlmsaAbj5Bf7vNrNWM/VzEGdGRb7985PdbQaLPN9SwLXTahjBbkv0mmhOAKsMLNtT96hG/xA+uEEdYbm8VVL6WShtLEVKKaK7yOgKxBJAHN9jevqmQPz0r5fA+bfRE6Wxtqam4qg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-priority:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=JnZ8clh0CVdvpY63CCNBzALc17hLl0WXXgawxNM2b1a8q9Ch8CQ743PjcZUQ+SWix3kV5kBOtvji8S/SE4LD+vk9eD+xreQtjHukV+84SoxRZ8qiuKuC76z6k9gjU0Gt9RfcmRyGVQgfUlzK3Kl2PBHuKr8eULGLvwssMfF0DMI= In-Reply-To: <002501c78b89$2452b910$4101a8c0@MICHAELPLISHKA> References: <868480.51940.qm@web81011.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <002501c78b89$2452b910$4101a8c0@MICHAELPLISHKA> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Long distance Music Date: Tue, 1 May 2007 10:45:20 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69899 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 1 May 2007 08:45:24 +0000 (UTC) On 1 maj 2007, at 02.39, Michael Plishka wrote: > I am trying to record with someone a couple thousand miles away. > What does this fair group suggest? > 1. Doing my part of the recording and sending the CD or emailing > the files? > 2. Using software and synching up live? Hi Michael, In the nineties I pioneered Rocketnet as part of the beta testing team and learned the basics of long distance collaboration. Rocketnet was a great system that connected DAWS over the internet, via a dedicated audio file storage server. I could produce recordings together with other musicians, no matter who was using ProTools, Logic or Cubase. Any freshly recorded track was uploaded to the server and downloaded for monitoring in a compressed format to those that had joined that specific session. Although Rocketnet never reached financial break even and sadly went belly up, the basic needs for long distance collaboration remains the same: Each collaborator need to (1) receive a monitoring cue mix and (2) submit his own recorded track. For monitoring any stereo file of a suitable project mix is fine. For submitting your latest recorded track you should decide on a format with the best fidelity that works well with all collaborator's DAW system. You can send the files on DVD's or via an online file transfer. With the www.yousendit.com service FLAC has proven to work well for lossless audio file compression. FLAC supports Mac and Windows equally well. RAR can also be used, but I like FLAC better because its handling of files is much faster in OS X. Remember to always start every audio file at bar one, so whatever DAW anyone is using all tracks will sound in sync related to each other, no matter what tempo setting is used locally in the DAW application or multi track tape machine. Just line up the starting points of all files. My ongoing collaboration project runs at 24 bit files of 44100 kHz sampling rate, stereo or mono depending on what is recorded. Regarding "syncing up" it all depends on the music. For my ongoing project we play by ear and rely on our own sense of timing. But as you know, there is always a tempo thread going on in the back of your mind, even if you play totally freely. What I do, at the mixing stage, is to identify that tempo and adjust the DAW's tempo grid according to it. This has to be done by ear for best musical result. The difference is to simply go from "feeling the tempo" (as a musician) to "knowing the tempo" (as a producer). You may not think that you need it, but I have often found it useful for subtle stuff like for example bringing in tempo synced soft tremolo of a reverb return etc. It can be more explicitly useful if you may want to add a drum machine or any type of typical remix stuff later on. An interesting tricks in long distance collaboration is to play to a click track but take it away and send only your recorded instrument to the other person. Even if this person does research the original tempo and sets up his own local click track it will be different and as such result in something surprising. When you play as a musician you always have a "radar within". This built-in radar doesn't only deal with tempi, it's about everything in the music. Emotions, transitions, directions... The trick to succeed in online collaborating is to develop a collaborating method that allows the collaborators to identify that "inner radar sequence" of the partner and being able to relate to it in his own playing. One mistake you can make, when you receive a recording, is to listen "for sound" rather than for your partners specific "inner radar print". When playing together physically this is not such a big danger because you will see the "bored to death" look on your partners face and remember to adjust your playing into a more communicative manner, but in distance collab's you really have to look out for that trap all the time ;-) Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) http://tinyurl.com/2kek7h (CC donationware music releases) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 1 11:43:50 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 755DD3BEB5; Tue, 1 May 2007 11:43:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-YMail-OSG: hoq6ZDwVM1njP_Kv9BxK6OnRZ0CvWlrM8BfQyEdiPnzqEKEcZpG9hfPBZnVyTlX5KTkv.gBns4IcWyWb3j3gJTQNywx7t8gxjYMlfMicZ69J3lcYOGDLIWV4vC.S Message-ID: <000401c78be5$f1434dc0$4101a8c0@MICHAELPLISHKA> From: "Michael Plishka" To: References: <868480.51940.qm@web81011.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <002501c78b89$2452b910$4101a8c0@MICHAELPLISHKA> Subject: Re: Long distance Music Date: Tue, 1 May 2007 06:43:29 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69900 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 1 May 2007 11:43:50 +0000 (UTC) Per et al, Thanks for the enlightening and stimulating thoughts/techniques regarding long distance collaborating. It has given me much to learn. Thanks again and rest assured I will keep you posted regarding the fruits of these labors!! ~peace~ Michael ----- Original Message ----- From: "Per Boysen" To: Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2007 3:45 AM Subject: Re: Long distance Music > On 1 maj 2007, at 02.39, Michael Plishka wrote: > >> I am trying to record with someone a couple thousand miles away. What >> does this fair group suggest? >> 1. Doing my part of the recording and sending the CD or emailing the >> files? >> 2. Using software and synching up live? > > > Hi Michael, > > In the nineties I pioneered Rocketnet as part of the beta testing team > and learned the basics of long distance collaboration. Rocketnet was a > great system that connected DAWS over the internet, via a dedicated audio > file storage server. I could produce recordings together with other > musicians, no matter who was using ProTools, Logic or Cubase. Any freshly > recorded track was uploaded to the server and downloaded for monitoring > in a compressed format to those that had joined that specific session. > Although Rocketnet never reached financial break even and sadly went > belly up, the basic needs for long distance collaboration remains the > same: > > Each collaborator need to (1) receive a monitoring cue mix and (2) submit > his own recorded track. For monitoring any stereo file of a suitable > project mix is fine. For submitting your latest recorded track you should > decide on a format with the best fidelity that works well with all > collaborator's DAW system. You can send the files on DVD's or via an > online file transfer. With the www.yousendit.com service FLAC has proven > to work well for lossless audio file compression. FLAC supports Mac and > Windows equally well. RAR can also be used, but I like FLAC better > because its handling of files is much faster in OS X. > > Remember to always start every audio file at bar one, so whatever DAW > anyone is using all tracks will sound in sync related to each other, no > matter what tempo setting is used locally in the DAW application or multi > track tape machine. Just line up the starting points of all files. My > ongoing collaboration project runs at 24 bit files of 44100 kHz sampling > rate, stereo or mono depending on what is recorded. > > Regarding "syncing up" it all depends on the music. For my ongoing > project we play by ear and rely on our own sense of timing. But as you > know, there is always a tempo thread going on in the back of your mind, > even if you play totally freely. What I do, at the mixing stage, is to > identify that tempo and adjust the DAW's tempo grid according to it. This > has to be done by ear for best musical result. The difference is to > simply go from "feeling the tempo" (as a musician) to "knowing the tempo" > (as a producer). You may not think that you need it, but I have often > found it useful for subtle stuff like for example bringing in tempo > synced soft tremolo of a reverb return etc. It can be more explicitly > useful if you may want to add a drum machine or any type of typical remix > stuff later on. > > An interesting tricks in long distance collaboration is to play to a > click track but take it away and send only your recorded instrument to > the other person. Even if this person does research the original tempo > and sets up his own local click track it will be different and as such > result in something surprising. When you play as a musician you always > have a "radar within". This built-in radar doesn't only deal with tempi, > it's about everything in the music. Emotions, transitions, directions... > The trick to succeed in online collaborating is to develop a > collaborating method that allows the collaborators to identify that > "inner radar sequence" of the partner and being able to relate to it in > his own playing. One mistake you can make, when you receive a recording, > is to listen "for sound" rather than for your partners specific "inner > radar print". When playing together physically this is not such a big > danger because you will see the "bored to death" look on your partners > face and remember to adjust your playing into a more communicative > manner, but in distance collab's you really have to look out for that > trap all the time ;-) > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > www.looproom.com (international) > http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) > http://tinyurl.com/2kek7h (CC donationware music releases) > > > > From paypal-account@paypal.com Tue May 1 12:19:02 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 421 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Tue, 01 May 2007 12:19:02 UTC Received: from ex01.dodwell.bc.ca (ex01.dodwell.bc.ca [209.17.162.43]) by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 612683BEB0; Tue, 1 May 2007 12:19:02 +0000 (UTC) Received: from User ([69.178.174.154]) by ex01.dodwell.bc.ca with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Tue, 1 May 2007 05:11:57 -0700 From: "PayPal" Subject: Dispute Transaction Date: Tue, 1 May 2007 05:10:28 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1251" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 May 2007 12:11:57.0875 (UTC) FILETIME=[EA59E830:01C78BE9] To: undisclosed-recipients:;   
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Hi Tim,

If I can give you a little hope in these scary moments : last year our
rehearsal shack flooded after some heavy rain - I had a Boss GT-6B laying on
the bottom of a 1 feet deep "swimming pool" for half a day. All I did was to
take everything apart, make extensive use of a blow drier, plugged in a new
battery, and the thing has been working perfectly ever since.

Good luck !
 

-----Original Message-----
From: Tim Nelson [mailto:psychle62@yahoo.com] 
Sent: zaterdag 28 april 2007 18:50
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: thanks! (wet pedals)

I'd like to express my gratitude to all the listmembers who wrote to me
following my recent studio flood. I've been atypically incommunicado due to
my computer being scattered all over the house, but there seems to be some
light at the end of the tunnel (oncoming train?). The moisture abatement
dudes took the last of their noisy pumps and blowers away yesterday, and now
I'm awaiting the carpenters to patch all the drainage holes in the walls.

On topic, I still haven't dared power up the loopers that went swimming. I
got all the batteries out immediately and took everything apart as soon as I
could and dried it all with towels and blow driers, and have been waiting
until I'm positive everything is dry before trying it out. Fortunately it
was clean, fresh water and not salt (I'm a block from the Atlantic Ocean and
several nearby houses actually fell in, so it could have been a lot
worse...).

Again, I really appreciate all your words of encouragement.

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Happy May Day! Just a note to let everyone on the list know about my new webpages and podcast series. The first 3 episodes are up, they cover roughly 1979-1985. Each show is about 30 minutes long and features about 20 minutes of music per, from my collected recordings of the last 28 years. Loop or delay work is almost always part of the landscape (tape,EH-16,JamMan,EDP) and it increases as the years go by. I'm planning on making it a 24 part series covering all my solo and group work to date. I welcome any and all feedback(off-list) from those who give it a listen. It's free and worth every penny, in my biased opinion. Please check out the blog below for info and links to the above mentioned and more. Thanks for your time and interest, keep on looping.

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Happy May Day! Just a note to let everyone on the list know about my new webpages and podcast series. The first 3 episodes are up, they cover roughly 1979-1985. Each show is about 30 minutes long and features about 20 minutes of music per, from my collected recordings of the last 28 years. Loop or delay work is almost always part of the landscape (tape,EH-16,JamMan,EDP) and it increases as the years go by. I'm planning on making it a 24 part series covering all my solo and group work to date. I welcome any and all feedback(off-list) from those who give it a listen. It's free and worth every penny, in my biased opinion. Please check out the blog below for info and links to the above mentioned and more. Thanks for your time and interest, keep on looping.


 


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hi there!

i know this is way out of topic but a friend of mine
needs this info quickly to install a PA system.

he complaints about the long cables on this equation:

amp - long cable - speaker =3D noise+hum ?

he asked if inserting some kind of inject box between the amp and the
speaker will solve the problem.

i know about DI boxes to match impedances at line/instrument level,
but is there exists something similar for powerful signals? Silly
question, isn't?

For me this doesn't make much sense, since I think the noise is being
produced by the low quality of the sources
 (cd+mic+amp).  Maybe the proximity to some inductive sources...
Perhaps good cables will help.

 Any ideas / experiences?

Ra=FCl.

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> For me this doesn't make much sense, since I think the noise is being
> produced by the low quality of the sources
> (cd+mic+amp).  Maybe the proximity to some inductive sources...
> Perhaps good cables will help.
>

The DI boxes are for input signals, that is line, instrument, or mic =20
level.  They are not suitable for power signals such as the output of =20
an amp.

For starters, if the amp has a headphone jack have your friend listen =20
through the headphones.  Is the hum present in the headphones?  Also, =20
have him disconnect the speakers.  Is the hum still in the headphones? =20
  If the hum is still present in the headphones, then the speaker =20
cables are not the source of the hum.

Next, while listening through the headphones (at a relatively low =20
level), unplug each input device one by one until the hum stops.  That =20
is, try to identify the source of the hum.

If the amp does not have a headphone jack, then monitor through the =20
speakers -- just turn the volume down so you don't put a loud pop =20
through them -- and unplug your input devices one by one.

If with everything unplugged, you still get the hum, then your amp may =20
have poor sheilding or a poorly designed power supply.  If you can, =20
try substituting a different amp.

Your mic cable could be picking up hum... try re-routing it... it may =20
be in the vicinity of a power cord or conduit.   Make sure that no =20
light-dimmers are in use -- if they are you can usually get rid of the =20
hum by turning the lights up all the way or just turning them off.  =20
Floursecent lights can also be a source of hum, too.  If you can, run =20
a balanced mike cable -- unbalanced is always a battle against hum and =20
noise.

Try different patch cords... or switch them around and see if the hum =20
moves with the patch cords.  Again, bad shielding could be a problem.

OK, hope that this gives you a few things to look at.

Good luck!

-- Kevin

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Quoting kkissinger@kevinkissinger.com:

> For starters, if the amp has a headphone jack have your friend listen
> through the headphones.  Is the hum present in the headphones?  Also,
> have him disconnect the speakers.  Is the hum still in the headphones?
> If the hum is still present in the headphones, then the speaker cables
> are not the source of the hum.

I forgot to mention, turn off your amp before connecting or  
disconnecting the speakers.

-- Kevin

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Hey All -

Ran across this yesterday and thought that I'd post since there was a  
brief discussion about the reactable some time back.

http://www.boingboing.net/2007/04/28/coachella_bjarks_wil.html

Cheers,
Craig

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One more possibility (and a frequent culprit) is noise induced via a ground
loop. The troubleshooting is similar - eliminate sources one by one until
the noise goes away. Solution generally may consist of powering all devices
from a single AC source e.g. a stip or regulator (but it tends to be more
complex than that). Alternate solutions may be found by taking the most
likely culprit (the one last removed when the hum went away) and use a box
like this  inserted into the signal
chain (between source and amp) to interrupt the ground loop.

Cheers,
Nic

PS the amp-to-speaker cabling is pretty much the least likely source of the
hum... ;-)

On 5/1/07, kkissinger@kevinkissinger.com 
wrote:
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> Quoting kkissinger@kevinkissinger.com:
>
> > For starters, if the amp has a headphone jack have your friend listen
> > through the headphones.  Is the hum present in the headphones?  Also,
> > have him disconnect the speakers.  Is the hum still in the headphones?
> > If the hum is still present in the headphones, then the speaker cables
> > are not the source of the hum.
>
> I forgot to mention, turn off your amp before connecting or
> disconnecting the speakers.
>
> -- Kevin
>
>


-- 
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One more possibility (and a frequent culprit) is noise induced via a ground loop. The troubleshooting is similar - eliminate sources one by one until the noise goes away. Solution generally may consist of powering all devices from a single AC source 
e.g. a stip or regulator (but it tends to be more complex than that). Alternate solutions may be found by taking the most likely culprit (the one last removed when the hum went away) and use a box like 
this inserted into the signal chain (between source and amp) to interrupt the ground loop.

Cheers,
Nic

PS the amp-to-speaker cabling is pretty much the least likely source of the hum... ;-)


On 5/1/07, kkissinger@kevinkissinger.com <kkissinger@kevinkissinger.com
> wrote:
Quoting kkissinger@kevinkissinger.com
:

> For starters, if the amp has a headphone jack have your friend listen
> through the headphones.  Is the hum present in the headphones?  Also,
> have him disconnect the speakers.  Is the hum still in the headphones?

> If the hum is still present in the headphones, then the speaker cables
> are not the source of the hum.

I forgot to mention, turn off your amp before connecting or
disconnecting the speakers.


-- Kevin




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This is may be a long shot , but does anyone still have the  
operator's manual for the Multivox multi-echo?
(It doesn't matter whether it is the 312, or the 201, but preferably  
the 201)

Also, the service manual be a delight to have as well.

If so, I would love to get a copy (or copies, if both manuals)  and  
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didnt Robert Fripp busk at a shopping center with his
revox loops at one point?

--- Paul Richards  wrote:

> (About a block later a woman passed by me and said,
> 'that was really lovely 
> what you played...')
> 
> Can you met chicks that way? If so, I may start
> busking myself!
> 
> Paul Richards
> 
> ---- David Gans  wrote: 
> > At 11:14 AM -0400 4/9/07, Jim Goodin wrote:
> > 
> > >Most times the experience is more about doing it
> than income
> > 
> > I agree.  That's why I play the Farmers' Market
> near my home, which 
> > is a scheduled gig but pretty much the same as
> busking because almost 
> > no one is there to hear me play.  (I do have a few
> fans who show up 
> > when they know I'm going to be there, but still.)
> > 
> > 
> > >  however I have had a few nice things over the
> years.  A few years 
> > >ago a guy was watching me and appeared to be
> sketching.  He put a 
> > >caricture and a note down in my case to call him
> if I played 
> > >weddings so that led to a booking.  Have sold a
> few CD's and got a 
> > >few bucks.  One neat personal experienced
> happened one evening.  I 
> > >had quit and was walking out of the subway in
> Brooklyn.  About a 
> > >block later a woman passed by me and said, 'that
> was really lovely 
> > >what you played...'  Though those don't pay the
> rent in a sense 
> > >that's why we do it...
> > 
> > Nice stories.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > -- 
> > 
> > David Gans - david@trufun.com or david@gdhour.com
> > Truth and Fun, Inc., 484 Lake Park Ave. #102,
> Oakland CA 94610-2730
> > Blog:  http://logblog.gdhour.com
> > Web site: http://www.dgans.com
> > 
> 
> 


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busking rarely cathces my interest...
by the way prefered busking instrument in germany =
Accordion


--- kkissinger@kevinkissinger.com wrote:

> Quoting samba - :
> 
> > Just cause somone is a virtuoso instrumentalist
> doesn't mean
> > they know how to busk.
> 
> ... or even can hold down a job.  I know of many
> highly trained  
> classical organists who are unable to hold down
> steady church jobs  
> because they are insensitive to the desires of their
> church-employers.
> 
> > Classical repertoire requires steady attention
> > and not distractions.Not apporpriate to the venue
> when busking.
> 
> This is true just about anywhere.  Classical music,
> particularly the  
> works of Johann Sebastian Bach, are demanding works
> for both  
> performers AND listeners.  Bach's music possesses
> what I call an  
> "intrusion factor" -- except for the most cerebral
> music (such as "The  
> Musical Offering") most of it is too strident to
> have in the  
> background.  Although Bach's music is recognised in
> many circles as  
> the epitome of church music, if I played a Bach
> Fugue as a prelude in  
> my church I would be tarred and feathered.
> 
> People have expectations.  In some churches, people
> may expect to hear  
> major works before church.  In others, people want
> to socialize. At  
> still others (like the church I play at), people
> want it quiet.
> 
> > What is
> > appropriate is stuff that is very rhythmic,can be
> enjoyed while not a t
> > center of attention,is dynamic enough to grab
> attaention,etc.
> 
> Worded a different way -- the music doesn't demand
> attention yet, for  
> those that choose to pay attention, there is
> something there worth  
> listening to.  Most musicians and many great
> composers worked under  
> constraints.  Indeed, it is possible to create
> create music while  
> working under severe constraints.
> 
> > I highly
> > reccomend busking for anyone who hasn't done it.
> It's a great way to
> > learn about musical communication.
> 
> I think it would be fun.  Playing the pipe organ
> doesn't lend itself  
> to busking.  With electronic instruments
> (synthesizer, theremin) there  
> would be logistical issues with moving the equipment
> and finding an  
> a/c power source.
> 
> A friend of mine went out in Manhatten one day with
> a small (battery  
> powered) Theremin and amplifier.  He reported that
> crowds gathered  
> when he played Beatles songs and scattered as soon
> as he played  
> something classical.  His solution was simple...
> when no one was  
> around, he played classical to entertain himself and
> as soon as people  
> were within earshot he played tunes with which
> people were familiar.
> 
> Another point, well-taken, is that people were on
> their commutes to  
> work and most of them probably were running on tight
> schedules.  To do  
> this experiment in a park or a district where street
> performers are  
> part of the draw might have yielded a different
> result.
> 
> -- Kevin
> 
> 


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No, he was booked to play a gig there.
"Busking" would be if he set up without asking in a public space and
started playing, usually with an open guitar case or a hat for tips.

On 5/1/07, L.A. Angulo  wrote:
> didnt Robert Fripp busk at a shopping center with his
> revox loops at one point?
>

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Fripp did a Frippertronics "tour" in the VERY early 80's where he  
played places like record stores ( I saw it at the long gone now  
Peaches Records in Dallas,TX)
and I think(?) even places like a pizza parlor, but that could have  
also been a rumor way back then.  (OR...?)

Rev. Fever

On May 1, 2007, at 5:50 PM, L.A. Angulo wrote:

> didnt Robert Fripp busk at a shopping center with his
> revox loops at one point?
>
> --- Paul Richards  wrote:
>
>> (About a block later a woman passed by me and said,
>> 'that was really lovely
>> what you played...')
>>
>> Can you met chicks that way? If so, I may start
>> busking myself!
>>
>> Paul Richards
>>
>> ---- David Gans  wrote:
>>> At 11:14 AM -0400 4/9/07, Jim Goodin wrote:
>>>
>>>> Most times the experience is more about doing it
>> than income
>>>
>>> I agree.  That's why I play the Farmers' Market
>> near my home, which
>>> is a scheduled gig but pretty much the same as
>> busking because almost
>>> no one is there to hear me play.  (I do have a few
>> fans who show up
>>> when they know I'm going to be there, but still.)
>>>
>>>
>>>>  however I have had a few nice things over the
>> years.  A few years
>>>> ago a guy was watching me and appeared to be
>> sketching.  He put a
>>>> caricture and a note down in my case to call him
>> if I played
>>>> weddings so that led to a booking.  Have sold a
>> few CD's and got a
>>>> few bucks.  One neat personal experienced
>> happened one evening.  I
>>>> had quit and was walking out of the subway in
>> Brooklyn.  About a
>>>> block later a woman passed by me and said, 'that
>> was really lovely
>>>> what you played...'  Though those don't pay the
>> rent in a sense
>>>> that's why we do it...
>>>
>>> Nice stories.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -- 
>>>
>>> David Gans - david@trufun.com or david@gdhour.com
>>> Truth and Fun, Inc., 484 Lake Park Ave. #102,
>> Oakland CA 94610-2730
>>> Blog:  http://logblog.gdhour.com
>>> Web site: http://www.dgans.com
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
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>
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question about fripp:

does he have a son named john?

i think i met him last night... although the guy could be BSing... he  
was pretty drunk...

g.


On 1-May-07, at 8:55 PM, Rev Fever wrote:

> Fripp did a Frippertronics "tour" in the VERY early 80's where he  
> played places like record stores ( I saw it at the long gone now  
> Peaches Records in Dallas,TX)
> and I think(?) even places like a pizza parlor, but that could have  
> also been a rumor way back then.  (OR...?)
>
> Rev. Fever
>
> On May 1, 2007, at 5:50 PM, L.A. Angulo wrote:
>
>> didnt Robert Fripp busk at a shopping center with his
>> revox loops at one point?
>>
>> --- Paul Richards  wrote:
>>
>>> (About a block later a woman passed by me and said,
>>> 'that was really lovely
>>> what you played...')
>>>
>>> Can you met chicks that way? If so, I may start
>>> busking myself!
>>>
>>> Paul Richards
>>>
>>> ---- David Gans  wrote:
>>>> At 11:14 AM -0400 4/9/07, Jim Goodin wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Most times the experience is more about doing it
>>> than income
>>>>
>>>> I agree.  That's why I play the Farmers' Market
>>> near my home, which
>>>> is a scheduled gig but pretty much the same as
>>> busking because almost
>>>> no one is there to hear me play.  (I do have a few
>>> fans who show up
>>>> when they know I'm going to be there, but still.)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>  however I have had a few nice things over the
>>> years.  A few years
>>>>> ago a guy was watching me and appeared to be
>>> sketching.  He put a
>>>>> caricture and a note down in my case to call him
>>> if I played
>>>>> weddings so that led to a booking.  Have sold a
>>> few CD's and got a
>>>>> few bucks.  One neat personal experienced
>>> happened one evening.  I
>>>>> had quit and was walking out of the subway in
>>> Brooklyn.  About a
>>>>> block later a woman passed by me and said, 'that
>>> was really lovely
>>>>> what you played...'  Though those don't pay the
>>> rent in a sense
>>>>> that's why we do it...
>>>>
>>>> Nice stories.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -- 
>>>>
>>>> David Gans - david@trufun.com or david@gdhour.com
>>>> Truth and Fun, Inc., 484 Lake Park Ave. #102,
>>> Oakland CA 94610-2730
>>>> Blog:  http://logblog.gdhour.com
>>>> Web site: http://www.dgans.com
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
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>>
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Better would be:
long BALANCED cable - AMP - short cable - speaker
which would be not noisy.

noise is caused by EM radiation, which increases in impact on signal
basically as a square of strength per antenna length multiple of EM
wavelength.  The good news is your speaker cable is carrying lots of
watts, which the EM radiation will have trouble competing with.  Bad
news, when your signal is quiet, the radiation will sound loud.  Badly
engineered amplifiers that use overly simple negative feedback
elimination topologies can also bring that EM noise in from the
speaker line, and reroduce it, now driven by some fraction of
amplifier power.  Super bad news.  Noise can impact the amplifier from
other vectors as well, bad grounding with bad neg. feedback =3D massive
60hz AC hum.

I've seen shielding methods (wrap the speaker wire in metal/wiremesh/
other faraday like materials) as well as  really nasty volage
conversion inline (think the overhead musak in the 70's department
store) both of which don't seem to work well.

Short answer, move the amp. :)
-Miles

On 5/1/07, Raul Bonell  wrote:
> hi there!
>
> i know this is way out of topic but a friend of mine
> needs this info quickly to install a PA system.
>
> he complaints about the long cables on this equation:
>
> amp - long cable - speaker =3D noise+hum ?
>
> he asked if inserting some kind of inject box between the amp and the
> speaker will solve the problem.
>
> i know about DI boxes to match impedances at line/instrument level,
> but is there exists something similar for powerful signals? Silly
> question, isn't?
>
> For me this doesn't make much sense, since I think the noise is being
> produced by the low quality of the sources
>  (cd+mic+amp).  Maybe the proximity to some inductive sources...
> Perhaps good cables will help.
>
>  Any ideas / experiences?
>
> Ra=FCl.
>
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>


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He did play a few pizza places on that tour.  All the dates are in the
liner notes of "Let The Power Fall".

On 5/1/07, Rev Fever  wrote:
> Fripp did a Frippertronics "tour" in the VERY early 80's where he
> played places like record stores ( I saw it at the long gone now
> Peaches Records in Dallas,TX)
> and I think(?) even places like a pizza parlor, but that could have
> also been a rumor way back then.  (OR...?)
>

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Quoting Graham Miller :

> question about fripp:
>
> does he have a son named john?
>
> i think i met him last night... although the guy could be BSing... he
> was pretty drunk...

Maybe it was this Robert Fripp:

http://preview.tinyurl.com/2wkhkh

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Howdy,

 Call Allen Fadness in Centralia Wa.
Rig


--- Rev Fever  wrote:

> This is may be a long shot , but does anyone still
> have the  
> operator's manual for the Multivox multi-echo?
> (It doesn't matter whether it is the 312, or the
> 201, but preferably  
> the 201)
> 
> Also, the service manual be a delight to have as
> well.
> 
> If so, I would love to get a copy (or copies, if
> both manuals)  and  
> will cover all costs to anyone for it and little
> extra for their time  
> etc.
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> TIA!
> 
> Steven
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> 
> 


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  I saw the Frippertronics set at a record store in Portland-can't quite 
remember the name  .It was definately a high point..My friend  multimediaist 
David Stout  with whom I did the Radio Esoterica  show gave Fripp a tape of 
his work.Wonder if he ever listened to it. We played alot of Fripp and Eno, 
on the show,and  stuff Klaus Shulze,Conrad Shnitzler Terry Rily, Meredith 
Monk  as well as what ever obscure ethnic stuff I could lay hands on .Now 
the style of our show iis a genre. We also used to do live sound collage 
with as many as 4 turn tables,and a couple of tape decks ,2 mics. etc.  even 
spun turntables backwards on air.

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yeah right!

that's funny - but no... this kid was name dropping like crazy.   
belew this, bowie that...

g.

On 1-May-07, at 9:30 PM, David Kuznick wrote:

> Quoting Graham Miller :
>
>> question about fripp:
>>
>> does he have a son named john?
>>
>> i think i met him last night... although the guy could be BSing... he
>> was pretty drunk...
>
> Maybe it was this Robert Fripp:
>
> http://preview.tinyurl.com/2wkhkh
>
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