From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 1 00:39:32 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6303C3BEB8; Tue, 1 May 2007 00:39:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-YMail-OSG: _uBKMGMVM1mVM98vYaVlD8cl1dSKbUcqt7FDG.FicPeetv1AZUwROyVldu2dOpMTsPI.0uV54g-- Message-ID: <002501c78b89$2452b910$4101a8c0@MICHAELPLISHKA> From: "Michael Plishka" To: References: <868480.51940.qm@web81011.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Long distance Music Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 19:39:12 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Resent-Message-ID: <0Z6CjB.A.kKD.ExoNGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69889 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 1 May 2007 00:39:32 +0000 (UTC) I am trying to record with someone a couple thousand miles away. What does this fair group suggest? 1. Doing my part of the recording and sending the CD or emailing the files? 2. Using software and synching up live? Thanks! Plish From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 1 00:52:27 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C6ADB3BEC2; Tue, 1 May 2007 00:52:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Originating-IP: [207.90.215.129] X-Identified-User: {864:box76.bluehost.com:kevinkis:kevinkissinger.com} {sentby:webmail from 207.90.215.129} Message-ID: <20070430195225.uw9nazx4gw08ccg8@69.89.21.76> Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 19:52:25 -0500 From: kkissinger@kevinkissinger.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Long distance Music References: <868480.51940.qm@web81011.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <002501c78b89$2452b910$4101a8c0@MICHAELPLISHKA> In-Reply-To: <002501c78b89$2452b910$4101a8c0@MICHAELPLISHKA> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.3) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69890 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 1 May 2007 00:52:27 +0000 (UTC) Quoting Michael Plishka : > I am trying to record with someone a couple thousand miles away. What > does this fair group suggest? > 1. Doing my part of the recording and sending the CD or emailing the files= ? > 2. Using software and synching up live? > > Thanks! > > Plish I have been involved in a couple of long-distance projects. In both =20 cases, the music was rhythmic/traditional (that is, not free-form) - =20 thus tuning and tempo were important. In both cases I was adding a theremin track. I requested two mp3's -- =20 identical except that one of them included a cue track with my part -- =20 I learned the part "by ear" from the version-with-cue but found it =20 easier, when time to lay down my track, to listen to the =20 version-without-cue. I set my track's start and end points to be =20 identical with the supplied track to simplify syncing/mixdown on the =20 other end. I recorded my tracks "dry" (no reverb or fx). I sent mp3 files at first for approval -- and when the person on the =20 other end said that the tracks were ok, I zipped a .wav file, uploaded =20 it to my website, and then emailed the url of the zip to the person. I have heard a little about real-time online collaboration however I =20 have no information about it. -- Kevin From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 1 01:04:18 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E57883BECF; Tue, 1 May 2007 01:04:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: Long distance Music Date: Tue, 1 May 2007 03:04:27 +0200 Organization: Moinlabs Message-ID: <000101c78b8c$aa9aea30$1001a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 In-Reply-To: <002501c78b89$2452b910$4101a8c0@MICHAELPLISHKA> Thread-Index: AceLiTBFrUontOhzR1aplWQJXRdrqwAADA4w X-RZG-AUTH: lUESeo99iNzPL8kuBgLYdKEqUywq9cxqeRA+BtFcSCD5deQ7OIWOxwVYczs= X-RZG-CLASS-ID: mo07 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69891 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 1 May 2007 01:04:17 +0000 (UTC) > I am trying to record with someone a couple thousand miles > away. What does this fair group suggest? > 1. Doing my part of the recording and sending the CD or > emailing the files? > 2. Using software and synching up live? As always, it depends on what you're trying to do ;-) First of all, when you're recording, I assume that sound quality is an issue. All of the internet collaboration things I know about use lossy audio compression - sometimes, massive audio compression. What's more, with the systems I know you don't have a direct influence on that, so you're always at the mercy of that specific software. So when you do that "synching up live" thing, you'll most probably want to exchange audio files as well. Second, an important point would be in how far interaction of the musicians is important. If your stuff is completely composed, I see no point at all in playing together over the internet. If on the other hand you're doing really interactive stuff, sending files to and fro will get some kind of one-way-interaction only. About technology: I suggest using FLAC for audio coding if sound quality is a top issue. Then, about the internet jam thing: There are two technologies with which I worked which are usable, and a third one I've only read about. The first one is the well-known Ninjam - www.ninjam.com. It works by delaying your respective streams deliberately so the delay fits in a given tempo/beat format - e.g. four measures. This makes it necessary to play with a beat, and the metronome speed of Ninjam is a bit...strange sometimes, which might make it necessary to MIDI-sync to Ninjam, which can also be a problem (search the archives or ask again for details...). This allows the participants to play with the same beat, and the respective delays can be corrected (or not) when assembling the recordings later. Then there's openplug by t-u-b-e - www.t-u-b-e.de/openplug.html . This is without the tricky beat-oriented thing, but it has the charm that it works as a VST plugin. An example of a session can also be found here: http://video.google.de/videoplay?docid=266953071112854790&q=moinlabs Both products are free stuff, Ninjam is also open source (I think, at least the source code is available). Finally, there's a new player out there: http://www.ejamming.com/. I haven't checked out what's special about it or how it works, but it seems they're going to make it payware after the beta phase. If you dare to give it a spin, I would be glad for your report! Summarizing: Playing over the internet only makes sense if two-directional interaction between the respective musicians is important. Depending whether your music is beat-driven or pulse-free, Ninjam or openplug can be candidates (or perhaps even ejamming). Even when doing this, I strongly recommend that each musican makes a recording of his own playing locally to give you access to high-quality sound files. Rainer From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 1 01:05:51 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B04E93BED2; Tue, 1 May 2007 01:05:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-YMail-OSG: 21ZCo3sVM1nincUgThaSH3jELmqGF6oQz7.NxYEoHI197ej8FVbHB_Pu5aWseeoOeWNPfKYHiQ-- Message-ID: <000301c78b8c$d245a390$4101a8c0@MICHAELPLISHKA> From: "Michael Plishka" To: References: <868480.51940.qm@web81011.mail.mud.yahoo.com><002501c78b89$2452b910$4101a8c0@MICHAELPLISHKA> <20070430195225.uw9nazx4gw08ccg8@69.89.21.76> Subject: Re: Long distance Music Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 20:05:32 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69892 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 1 May 2007 01:05:51 +0000 (UTC) Thanks for your technique review, Kevin! P ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 7:52 PM Subject: Re: Long distance Music Quoting Michael Plishka : > I am trying to record with someone a couple thousand miles away. What > does this fair group suggest? > 1. Doing my part of the recording and sending the CD or emailing the > files? > 2. Using software and synching up live? > > Thanks! > > Plish I have been involved in a couple of long-distance projects. In both cases, the music was rhythmic/traditional (that is, not free-form) - thus tuning and tempo were important. In both cases I was adding a theremin track. I requested two mp3's -- identical except that one of them included a cue track with my part -- I learned the part "by ear" from the version-with-cue but found it easier, when time to lay down my track, to listen to the version-without-cue. I set my track's start and end points to be identical with the supplied track to simplify syncing/mixdown on the other end. I recorded my tracks "dry" (no reverb or fx). I sent mp3 files at first for approval -- and when the person on the other end said that the tracks were ok, I zipped a .wav file, uploaded it to my website, and then emailed the url of the zip to the person. I have heard a little about real-time online collaboration however I have no information about it. -- Kevin From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 1 01:20:56 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1E1CE3BED2; Tue, 1 May 2007 01:20:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=o7iE2nrcPa7kqduZNv1GqsFtrBhsDY9IlrM0FgH7CgHu1k4ERPWTa2IvVG5bCfBC5UDr1N2rMcxRD0ZZYZYImrXJDfmjELYb/N1eqAg+Zfy6kPUth6zF/yVCq6mNU6tBPDO/1w170hZfMZYVppJ35GqUaM+AxtHYKRWXQqi1eKQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=cnrMBifyl14W4OhT/rETiYh6I8j6PBxwa7g++PLBBw7kTEaQmFg7oXN/mNZVme8Z40lZWRg/Fx0DewzpiaYL1fX1mqty0G+f+M7oKJiKutNVWC+XM9H2AD6eluwIuv9Nbcr1ALqtvmpiIbGjS2QN8QfrQMiITyeDJPBqYZTWZic= Message-ID: <9e0440a60704301820r53765473x8397db2611775d1a@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 21:20:52 -0400 From: "Jim Goodin" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Long distance Music In-Reply-To: <000301c78b8c$d245a390$4101a8c0@MICHAELPLISHKA> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_248000_12138407.1177982452443" References: <868480.51940.qm@web81011.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <002501c78b89$2452b910$4101a8c0@MICHAELPLISHKA> <20070430195225.uw9nazx4gw08ccg8@69.89.21.76> <000301c78b8c$d245a390$4101a8c0@MICHAELPLISHKA> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69893 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 1 May 2007 01:20:56 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_248000_12138407.1177982452443 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Michael - another musician Daryl Shawn , living 4000 miles away from me (Brooklyn NY) who I met through Loopers... and I have been successfully recording via NinJam doing almost every weekend every month since last October. The meeting/working/creating led to forming a duo we are successfully marketing and planning "live" times called Chinapainting. We've produced two CD's from this effort all from NinJam. I would encourage whatever you're thinking of working on doing it live via NinJam, there is some slight delay that you adapt to and it's really amazing. Best with it Jim Goodin On 4/30/07, Michael Plishka wrote: > > Thanks for your technique review, Kevin! > > P > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 7:52 PM > Subject: Re: Long distance Music > > > Quoting Michael Plishka : > > > I am trying to record with someone a couple thousand miles away. What > > does this fair group suggest? > > 1. Doing my part of the recording and sending the CD or emailing the > > files? > > 2. Using software and synching up live? > > > > Thanks! > > > > Plish > > > I have been involved in a couple of long-distance projects. In both > cases, the music was rhythmic/traditional (that is, not free-form) - > thus tuning and tempo were important. > > In both cases I was adding a theremin track. I requested two mp3's -- > identical except that one of them included a cue track with my part -- > I learned the part "by ear" from the version-with-cue but found it > easier, when time to lay down my track, to listen to the > version-without-cue. I set my track's start and end points to be > identical with the supplied track to simplify syncing/mixdown on the > other end. I recorded my tracks "dry" (no reverb or fx). > > I sent mp3 files at first for approval -- and when the person on the > other end said that the tracks were ok, I zipped a .wav file, uploaded > it to my website, and then emailed the url of the zip to the person. > > I have heard a little about real-time online collaboration however I > have no information about it. > > -- Kevin > > > > -- The Acoustic World Guitar of Jim Goodin - http://www.jimgoodinmusic.com MySpace (solo) - http://www.myspace.com/jimgoodinmusic Chinapainting - http://www.chinapaintingmusic.com Chinapainting on My Space - http://www.myspace.com/chinapaintingmusic.com The Jim Goodin label and home for 7 other creative souls - http://www.woodandwiremusic.com Jim Goodin uses GHS Strings - http://www.ghsstrings.com and Seagull Guitars - http://www.seagullguitars.com, Jim Goodin is published by Mel Bay Publications, Inc. - http://www.melbay.com Associates and friends on the web - Daryl Shawn - http://www.swanwelder.com Adam Werner - http://www.adamwerner.com John Stowell - http://www.johnstowell.com Matt Richards - http://www.mattrichardsmusic.net Michael Manring - http://www.manthing.com Will Ackerman - http://www.williamackerman.com New Land Music - http://www.newlandmusic.com ------=_Part_248000_12138407.1177982452443 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline
Michael - another musician Daryl Shawn, living 4000 miles away from me (Brooklyn NY) who I met through Loopers... and I have been successfully recording via NinJam doing almost every weekend every month since last October.  The meeting/working/creating led to forming a duo we are successfully marketing and planning "live" times called Chinapainting.  We've produced two CD's from this effort all from NinJam.  I would encourage whatever you're thinking of working on doing it live via NinJam, there is some slight delay that you adapt to and it's really amazing.
 
Best with it
 
On 4/30/07, Michael Plishka <mike@michaelplishka.com> wrote:
Thanks for your technique review, Kevin!

P
----- Original Message -----
From: < kkissinger@kevinkissinger.com>
To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 7:52 PM
Subject: Re: Long distance Music


Quoting Michael Plishka <mike@michaelplishka.com>:

> I am trying to record with someone a couple thousand miles away.  What
> does this fair group suggest?
> 1. Doing my part of the recording and sending the CD or emailing the
> files?
> 2. Using software and synching up live?
>
> Thanks!
>
> Plish


I have been involved in a couple of long-distance projects.  In both
cases, the music was rhythmic/traditional (that is, not free-form) -
thus tuning and tempo were important.

In both cases I was adding a theremin track.  I requested two mp3's --
identical except that one of them included a cue track with my part --
I learned the part "by ear" from the version-with-cue but found it
easier, when time to lay down my track, to listen to the
version-without-cue.  I set my track's start and end points to be
identical with the supplied track to simplify syncing/mixdown on the
other end.  I recorded my tracks "dry" (no reverb or fx).

I sent mp3 files at first for approval -- and when the person on the
other end said that the tracks were ok, I zipped a .wav file, uploaded
it to my website, and then emailed the url of the zip to the person.

I have heard a little about real-time online collaboration however I
have no information about it.

-- Kevin






--
The Acoustic World Guitar of Jim Goodin  - http://www.jimgoodinmusic.com
MySpace (solo) - http://www.myspace.com/jimgoodinmusic
Chinapainting -
http://www.chinapaintingmusic.com
Chinapainting on My Space -
http://www.myspace.com/chinapaintingmusic.com
The Jim Goodin label and home for 7 other creative souls - http://www.woodandwiremusic.com
Jim Goodin uses GHS Strings - http://www.ghsstrings.com and Seagull Guitars - http://www.seagullguitars.com, Jim Goodin is published by Mel Bay Publications, Inc. - http://www.melbay.com

Associates and friends on the web -
Daryl Shawn -
http://www.swanwelder.com
Adam Werner - http://www.adamwerner.com
John Stowell - http://www.johnstowell.com
Matt Richards - http://www.mattrichardsmusic.net
Michael Manring - http://www.manthing.com
Will Ackerman - http://www.williamackerman.com
New Land Music - http://www.newlandmusic.com ------=_Part_248000_12138407.1177982452443-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 1 01:31:34 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6DE973BECA; Tue, 1 May 2007 01:31:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:from:to:references:subject:date:message-id:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-mailer:x-mimeole:in-reply-to:thread-index; b=potrdIE1TFor5bzw/QDn6/zCTuz+vK97f/eRVDfH7AyVKqAnvgLG7TNHnWHNpPDI1XlkKFKkQhlyNoAO2WwcymOgqlxgUEx0EaNrEt1FXkdfazOsehMhpExFhu3y9Qx5sJS/AqRRt3uMSF6JUvetqBAnrgsAEnSaCvnIqJ9qptg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:from:to:references:subject:date:message-id:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-mailer:x-mimeole:in-reply-to:thread-index; b=AzZAerQiWPxZ+l0cZQoskHRMo7nYMQqTFEzPj/HeT+Cegbb35HuVhyyQvavFqmFNMa85N85b1xfIyqcZSFggRdJRHOiaEjaUBohMZp5gw5yYE97qjxv3dzsHdZOIJPOwBnZpgCCE8/48C6fNBoR4Ggs6Xatcgp6y6fIdWpfhbHw= From: "Tony K" To: References: <868480.51940.qm@web81011.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <002501c78b89$2452b910$4101a8c0@MICHAELPLISHKA> Subject: RE: Long distance Music Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 21:31:28 -0400 Message-ID: <005501c78b90$71a99880$0200a8c0@daw1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1250" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 In-Reply-To: <002501c78b89$2452b910$4101a8c0@MICHAELPLISHKA> thread-index: AceLiTzJiyje+85lT7iRzq7Y4t10twABlXtw Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69894 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 1 May 2007 01:31:34 +0000 (UTC) Syncing live is tough over the net if you are trying to do something that involves, well, being synced. as there's always latency through the net. You might see if your recording software will save OMF files so you can exchange the whole project. Tony -----Original Message----- From: Michael Plishka [mailto:mike@michaelplishka.com] Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 8:39 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Long distance Music I am trying to record with someone a couple thousand miles away. What does this fair group suggest? 1. Doing my part of the recording and sending the CD or emailing the files? 2. Using software and synching up live? Thanks! Plish No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.467 / Virus Database: 269.6.2/781 - Release Date: 4/30/2007 9:14 AM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.467 / Virus Database: 269.6.2/781 - Release Date: 4/30/2007 9:14 AM From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 1 01:39:42 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D72A73BECF; Tue, 1 May 2007 01:39:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) To: Loop List Message-Id: <40A153CA-BE89-4F10-9998-2CD849CCE1F0@steve-lawson.co.uk> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-7--39603530 From: Steve Lawson Subject: RE: Gig spam... (Scandinavia) Date: Tue, 1 May 2007 02:39:35 +0100 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - dot1.hosting-ontap.co.uk X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - steve-lawson.co.uk X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69895 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 1 May 2007 01:39:42 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-7--39603530 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Per, the guitar show sounds like a lot of fun! Jonas Hellborg's band should be great (say hi from me if you speak to him) - same goes for Charlie Moreno, he's a great bassist from Spain. Lovely lad, please pass on my greetings! :o) cheers Steve www.stevelawson.net - site www.stevelawson.net/zencart/ - shop http://steve.anthropiccollective.org - blog www.myspace.com/solobassstevelawson --Apple-Mail-7--39603530 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Per,=A0

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= --Apple-Mail-7--39603530-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 1 01:45:55 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B21D13BED3; Tue, 1 May 2007 01:45:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <46369B66.2060807@adelphia.net> Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 21:44:06 -0400 From: Brian Good User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (Macintosh/20050923) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Long distance Music References: <868480.51940.qm@web81011.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <002501c78b89$2452b910$4101a8c0@MICHAELPLISHKA> In-Reply-To: <002501c78b89$2452b910$4101a8c0@MICHAELPLISHKA> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69896 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 1 May 2007 01:45:55 +0000 (UTC) Michael Plishka wrote: > I am trying to record with someone a couple thousand miles away. What > does this fair group suggest? > 1. Doing my part of the recording and sending the CD or emailing the files? > 2. Using software and synching up live? > > Thanks! > > Plish > Michael: If you don't need to work in real time, there are collaborative sites like http://www.indabamusic.com/ that can serve as repositories for files during a collaboration. Indaba has a free membership level that gives you a limited amount of upload/download bandwidth per month, along with a "studio" where you can hear works in progress. I've done a couple things with friends that way. Brian From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 1 06:02:10 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F0E893BEC2; Tue, 1 May 2007 06:02:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 23:01:58 -0700 From: Shayne Cafferata Subject: Original Nintendo AC output adapter works with DL4 and Alesis ModFX To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <4636D7D6.8040103@sasktel.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.10 (Windows/20070221) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69897 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 1 May 2007 06:02:09 +0000 (UTC) that is the short and sweet of it. you can find these adapters at thrift stores and yard sales everywhere. i had like 5 of these things. one day i thought, " when am i ever gonna use these" and threw them all out except one. then i got a dl4 w/o a pwr supply. dug out the remaining adapter, changed the plug end to one of those radio shack adapta-plugs cuz i thought polarity mattered(not with ac output i was told. it is converted to dc once it hits the dl4), and presto. works great. then i got an adapterless ampliton. i was holding it in my hands, thinking sadly of the other 4 adapters in a garbage bag somewhere in the middle of a slag heap. as luck would have it, i found another 9v ac output(non-nintendo) in my box of adapters. so anyway, now you all have a good reason to hang on to(or seek out) those useless nintendo adapters. cheerio, shayne From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 1 07:54:25 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B97233BEC5; Tue, 1 May 2007 07:54:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=hfFIL4Kp6kYun7GMIojQaJLi4Io4kJhezfDjkgFAbElJ9LDzReBoid8OS1Ue63dKv586pOCwLMM03oA1th6EcLVlxNtWnTJ19a5rA0yhywE8nz90mm5V5NCQ3LZuUeC9BCRdjFGoo6TuEY/3i+axUbImOeLh1B1PwramGbbKlWE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=pgrikM8DCvbdMfSR9Z0tbZ9l/++7gxoQdSyCan3xSu/Nv7X5WukytslFOq47e7TBxwcQdE++k+ZfDyb5RhyC8DrmcLokqgx9YqzAnBze2sbfmSbvyNawyP49E5v23EOu93LspoloPowOotlz7KX7UcI7FyUGJcpdWERQ/ahKCkw= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <40A153CA-BE89-4F10-9998-2CD849CCE1F0@steve-lawson.co.uk> References: <40A153CA-BE89-4F10-9998-2CD849CCE1F0@steve-lawson.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <4A7E49DB-373E-4937-B349-934B50EBC981@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Gig spam... (Scandinavia) Date: Tue, 1 May 2007 09:54:21 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69898 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 1 May 2007 07:54:25 +0000 (UTC) On 1 maj 2007, at 03.39, Steve Lawson wrote: > Per, > > the guitar show sounds like a lot of fun! Jonas Hellborg's band > should be great (say hi from me if you speak to him) - same goes > for Charlie Moreno, he's a great bassist from Spain. Lovely lad, > please pass on my greetings! :o) I will, Steve :-) Per From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 1 08:45:25 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 07A8F3BEC5; Tue, 1 May 2007 08:45:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-priority:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=AAPn9C/55HtBI/pDNWlOMS8xu+t0Tiyew5DhlmsaAbj5Bf7vNrNWM/VzEGdGRb7985PdbQaLPN9SwLXTahjBbkv0mmhOAKsMLNtT96hG/xA+uEEdYbm8VVL6WShtLEVKKaK7yOgKxBJAHN9jevqmQPz0r5fA+bfRE6Wxtqam4qg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-priority:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=JnZ8clh0CVdvpY63CCNBzALc17hLl0WXXgawxNM2b1a8q9Ch8CQ743PjcZUQ+SWix3kV5kBOtvji8S/SE4LD+vk9eD+xreQtjHukV+84SoxRZ8qiuKuC76z6k9gjU0Gt9RfcmRyGVQgfUlzK3Kl2PBHuKr8eULGLvwssMfF0DMI= In-Reply-To: <002501c78b89$2452b910$4101a8c0@MICHAELPLISHKA> References: <868480.51940.qm@web81011.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <002501c78b89$2452b910$4101a8c0@MICHAELPLISHKA> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Long distance Music Date: Tue, 1 May 2007 10:45:20 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69899 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 1 May 2007 08:45:24 +0000 (UTC) On 1 maj 2007, at 02.39, Michael Plishka wrote: > I am trying to record with someone a couple thousand miles away. > What does this fair group suggest? > 1. Doing my part of the recording and sending the CD or emailing > the files? > 2. Using software and synching up live? Hi Michael, In the nineties I pioneered Rocketnet as part of the beta testing team and learned the basics of long distance collaboration. Rocketnet was a great system that connected DAWS over the internet, via a dedicated audio file storage server. I could produce recordings together with other musicians, no matter who was using ProTools, Logic or Cubase. Any freshly recorded track was uploaded to the server and downloaded for monitoring in a compressed format to those that had joined that specific session. Although Rocketnet never reached financial break even and sadly went belly up, the basic needs for long distance collaboration remains the same: Each collaborator need to (1) receive a monitoring cue mix and (2) submit his own recorded track. For monitoring any stereo file of a suitable project mix is fine. For submitting your latest recorded track you should decide on a format with the best fidelity that works well with all collaborator's DAW system. You can send the files on DVD's or via an online file transfer. With the www.yousendit.com service FLAC has proven to work well for lossless audio file compression. FLAC supports Mac and Windows equally well. RAR can also be used, but I like FLAC better because its handling of files is much faster in OS X. Remember to always start every audio file at bar one, so whatever DAW anyone is using all tracks will sound in sync related to each other, no matter what tempo setting is used locally in the DAW application or multi track tape machine. Just line up the starting points of all files. My ongoing collaboration project runs at 24 bit files of 44100 kHz sampling rate, stereo or mono depending on what is recorded. Regarding "syncing up" it all depends on the music. For my ongoing project we play by ear and rely on our own sense of timing. But as you know, there is always a tempo thread going on in the back of your mind, even if you play totally freely. What I do, at the mixing stage, is to identify that tempo and adjust the DAW's tempo grid according to it. This has to be done by ear for best musical result. The difference is to simply go from "feeling the tempo" (as a musician) to "knowing the tempo" (as a producer). You may not think that you need it, but I have often found it useful for subtle stuff like for example bringing in tempo synced soft tremolo of a reverb return etc. It can be more explicitly useful if you may want to add a drum machine or any type of typical remix stuff later on. An interesting tricks in long distance collaboration is to play to a click track but take it away and send only your recorded instrument to the other person. Even if this person does research the original tempo and sets up his own local click track it will be different and as such result in something surprising. When you play as a musician you always have a "radar within". This built-in radar doesn't only deal with tempi, it's about everything in the music. Emotions, transitions, directions... The trick to succeed in online collaborating is to develop a collaborating method that allows the collaborators to identify that "inner radar sequence" of the partner and being able to relate to it in his own playing. One mistake you can make, when you receive a recording, is to listen "for sound" rather than for your partners specific "inner radar print". When playing together physically this is not such a big danger because you will see the "bored to death" look on your partners face and remember to adjust your playing into a more communicative manner, but in distance collab's you really have to look out for that trap all the time ;-) Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) http://tinyurl.com/2kek7h (CC donationware music releases) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 1 11:43:50 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 755DD3BEB5; Tue, 1 May 2007 11:43:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-YMail-OSG: hoq6ZDwVM1njP_Kv9BxK6OnRZ0CvWlrM8BfQyEdiPnzqEKEcZpG9hfPBZnVyTlX5KTkv.gBns4IcWyWb3j3gJTQNywx7t8gxjYMlfMicZ69J3lcYOGDLIWV4vC.S Message-ID: <000401c78be5$f1434dc0$4101a8c0@MICHAELPLISHKA> From: "Michael Plishka" To: References: <868480.51940.qm@web81011.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <002501c78b89$2452b910$4101a8c0@MICHAELPLISHKA> Subject: Re: Long distance Music Date: Tue, 1 May 2007 06:43:29 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69900 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 1 May 2007 11:43:50 +0000 (UTC) Per et al, Thanks for the enlightening and stimulating thoughts/techniques regarding long distance collaborating. It has given me much to learn. Thanks again and rest assured I will keep you posted regarding the fruits of these labors!! ~peace~ Michael ----- Original Message ----- From: "Per Boysen" To: Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2007 3:45 AM Subject: Re: Long distance Music > On 1 maj 2007, at 02.39, Michael Plishka wrote: > >> I am trying to record with someone a couple thousand miles away. What >> does this fair group suggest? >> 1. Doing my part of the recording and sending the CD or emailing the >> files? >> 2. Using software and synching up live? > > > Hi Michael, > > In the nineties I pioneered Rocketnet as part of the beta testing team > and learned the basics of long distance collaboration. Rocketnet was a > great system that connected DAWS over the internet, via a dedicated audio > file storage server. I could produce recordings together with other > musicians, no matter who was using ProTools, Logic or Cubase. Any freshly > recorded track was uploaded to the server and downloaded for monitoring > in a compressed format to those that had joined that specific session. > Although Rocketnet never reached financial break even and sadly went > belly up, the basic needs for long distance collaboration remains the > same: > > Each collaborator need to (1) receive a monitoring cue mix and (2) submit > his own recorded track. For monitoring any stereo file of a suitable > project mix is fine. For submitting your latest recorded track you should > decide on a format with the best fidelity that works well with all > collaborator's DAW system. You can send the files on DVD's or via an > online file transfer. With the www.yousendit.com service FLAC has proven > to work well for lossless audio file compression. FLAC supports Mac and > Windows equally well. RAR can also be used, but I like FLAC better > because its handling of files is much faster in OS X. > > Remember to always start every audio file at bar one, so whatever DAW > anyone is using all tracks will sound in sync related to each other, no > matter what tempo setting is used locally in the DAW application or multi > track tape machine. Just line up the starting points of all files. My > ongoing collaboration project runs at 24 bit files of 44100 kHz sampling > rate, stereo or mono depending on what is recorded. > > Regarding "syncing up" it all depends on the music. For my ongoing > project we play by ear and rely on our own sense of timing. But as you > know, there is always a tempo thread going on in the back of your mind, > even if you play totally freely. What I do, at the mixing stage, is to > identify that tempo and adjust the DAW's tempo grid according to it. This > has to be done by ear for best musical result. The difference is to > simply go from "feeling the tempo" (as a musician) to "knowing the tempo" > (as a producer). You may not think that you need it, but I have often > found it useful for subtle stuff like for example bringing in tempo > synced soft tremolo of a reverb return etc. It can be more explicitly > useful if you may want to add a drum machine or any type of typical remix > stuff later on. > > An interesting tricks in long distance collaboration is to play to a > click track but take it away and send only your recorded instrument to > the other person. Even if this person does research the original tempo > and sets up his own local click track it will be different and as such > result in something surprising. When you play as a musician you always > have a "radar within". This built-in radar doesn't only deal with tempi, > it's about everything in the music. Emotions, transitions, directions... > The trick to succeed in online collaborating is to develop a > collaborating method that allows the collaborators to identify that > "inner radar sequence" of the partner and being able to relate to it in > his own playing. One mistake you can make, when you receive a recording, > is to listen "for sound" rather than for your partners specific "inner > radar print". When playing together physically this is not such a big > danger because you will see the "bored to death" look on your partners > face and remember to adjust your playing into a more communicative > manner, but in distance collab's you really have to look out for that > trap all the time ;-) > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > www.looproom.com (international) > http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) > http://tinyurl.com/2kek7h (CC donationware music releases) > > > > From paypal-account@paypal.com Tue May 1 12:19:02 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 421 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Tue, 01 May 2007 12:19:02 UTC Received: from ex01.dodwell.bc.ca (ex01.dodwell.bc.ca [209.17.162.43]) by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 612683BEB0; Tue, 1 May 2007 12:19:02 +0000 (UTC) Received: from User ([69.178.174.154]) by ex01.dodwell.bc.ca with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Tue, 1 May 2007 05:11:57 -0700 From: "PayPal" Subject: Dispute Transaction Date: Tue, 1 May 2007 05:10:28 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1251" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 May 2007 12:11:57.0875 (UTC) FILETIME=[EA59E830:01C78BE9] To: undisclosed-recipients:;   
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Hi Tim,

If I can give you a little hope in these scary moments : last year our
rehearsal shack flooded after some heavy rain - I had a Boss GT-6B laying on
the bottom of a 1 feet deep "swimming pool" for half a day. All I did was to
take everything apart, make extensive use of a blow drier, plugged in a new
battery, and the thing has been working perfectly ever since.

Good luck !
 

-----Original Message-----
From: Tim Nelson [mailto:psychle62@yahoo.com] 
Sent: zaterdag 28 april 2007 18:50
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: thanks! (wet pedals)

I'd like to express my gratitude to all the listmembers who wrote to me
following my recent studio flood. I've been atypically incommunicado due to
my computer being scattered all over the house, but there seems to be some
light at the end of the tunnel (oncoming train?). The moisture abatement
dudes took the last of their noisy pumps and blowers away yesterday, and now
I'm awaiting the carpenters to patch all the drainage holes in the walls.

On topic, I still haven't dared power up the loopers that went swimming. I
got all the batteries out immediately and took everything apart as soon as I
could and dried it all with towels and blow driers, and have been waiting
until I'm positive everything is dry before trying it out. Fortunately it
was clean, fresh water and not salt (I'm a block from the Atlantic Ocean and
several nearby houses actually fell in, so it could have been a lot
worse...).

Again, I really appreciate all your words of encouragement.

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Happy May Day! Just a note to let everyone on the list know about my new webpages and podcast series. The first 3 episodes are up, they cover roughly 1979-1985. Each show is about 30 minutes long and features about 20 minutes of music per, from my collected recordings of the last 28 years. Loop or delay work is almost always part of the landscape (tape,EH-16,JamMan,EDP) and it increases as the years go by. I'm planning on making it a 24 part series covering all my solo and group work to date. I welcome any and all feedback(off-list) from those who give it a listen. It's free and worth every penny, in my biased opinion. Please check out the blog below for info and links to the above mentioned and more. Thanks for your time and interest, keep on looping.

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Happy May Day! Just a note to let everyone on the list know about my new webpages and podcast series. The first 3 episodes are up, they cover roughly 1979-1985. Each show is about 30 minutes long and features about 20 minutes of music per, from my collected recordings of the last 28 years. Loop or delay work is almost always part of the landscape (tape,EH-16,JamMan,EDP) and it increases as the years go by. I'm planning on making it a 24 part series covering all my solo and group work to date. I welcome any and all feedback(off-list) from those who give it a listen. It's free and worth every penny, in my biased opinion. Please check out the blog below for info and links to the above mentioned and more. Thanks for your time and interest, keep on looping.


 


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hi there!

i know this is way out of topic but a friend of mine
needs this info quickly to install a PA system.

he complaints about the long cables on this equation:

amp - long cable - speaker =3D noise+hum ?

he asked if inserting some kind of inject box between the amp and the
speaker will solve the problem.

i know about DI boxes to match impedances at line/instrument level,
but is there exists something similar for powerful signals? Silly
question, isn't?

For me this doesn't make much sense, since I think the noise is being
produced by the low quality of the sources
 (cd+mic+amp).  Maybe the proximity to some inductive sources...
Perhaps good cables will help.

 Any ideas / experiences?

Ra=FCl.

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> For me this doesn't make much sense, since I think the noise is being
> produced by the low quality of the sources
> (cd+mic+amp).  Maybe the proximity to some inductive sources...
> Perhaps good cables will help.
>

The DI boxes are for input signals, that is line, instrument, or mic =20
level.  They are not suitable for power signals such as the output of =20
an amp.

For starters, if the amp has a headphone jack have your friend listen =20
through the headphones.  Is the hum present in the headphones?  Also, =20
have him disconnect the speakers.  Is the hum still in the headphones? =20
  If the hum is still present in the headphones, then the speaker =20
cables are not the source of the hum.

Next, while listening through the headphones (at a relatively low =20
level), unplug each input device one by one until the hum stops.  That =20
is, try to identify the source of the hum.

If the amp does not have a headphone jack, then monitor through the =20
speakers -- just turn the volume down so you don't put a loud pop =20
through them -- and unplug your input devices one by one.

If with everything unplugged, you still get the hum, then your amp may =20
have poor sheilding or a poorly designed power supply.  If you can, =20
try substituting a different amp.

Your mic cable could be picking up hum... try re-routing it... it may =20
be in the vicinity of a power cord or conduit.   Make sure that no =20
light-dimmers are in use -- if they are you can usually get rid of the =20
hum by turning the lights up all the way or just turning them off.  =20
Floursecent lights can also be a source of hum, too.  If you can, run =20
a balanced mike cable -- unbalanced is always a battle against hum and =20
noise.

Try different patch cords... or switch them around and see if the hum =20
moves with the patch cords.  Again, bad shielding could be a problem.

OK, hope that this gives you a few things to look at.

Good luck!

-- Kevin

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Quoting kkissinger@kevinkissinger.com:

> For starters, if the amp has a headphone jack have your friend listen
> through the headphones.  Is the hum present in the headphones?  Also,
> have him disconnect the speakers.  Is the hum still in the headphones?
> If the hum is still present in the headphones, then the speaker cables
> are not the source of the hum.

I forgot to mention, turn off your amp before connecting or  
disconnecting the speakers.

-- Kevin

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Hey All -

Ran across this yesterday and thought that I'd post since there was a  
brief discussion about the reactable some time back.

http://www.boingboing.net/2007/04/28/coachella_bjarks_wil.html

Cheers,
Craig

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One more possibility (and a frequent culprit) is noise induced via a ground
loop. The troubleshooting is similar - eliminate sources one by one until
the noise goes away. Solution generally may consist of powering all devices
from a single AC source e.g. a stip or regulator (but it tends to be more
complex than that). Alternate solutions may be found by taking the most
likely culprit (the one last removed when the hum went away) and use a box
like this  inserted into the signal
chain (between source and amp) to interrupt the ground loop.

Cheers,
Nic

PS the amp-to-speaker cabling is pretty much the least likely source of the
hum... ;-)

On 5/1/07, kkissinger@kevinkissinger.com 
wrote:
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> Quoting kkissinger@kevinkissinger.com:
>
> > For starters, if the amp has a headphone jack have your friend listen
> > through the headphones.  Is the hum present in the headphones?  Also,
> > have him disconnect the speakers.  Is the hum still in the headphones?
> > If the hum is still present in the headphones, then the speaker cables
> > are not the source of the hum.
>
> I forgot to mention, turn off your amp before connecting or
> disconnecting the speakers.
>
> -- Kevin
>
>


-- 
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One more possibility (and a frequent culprit) is noise induced via a ground loop. The troubleshooting is similar - eliminate sources one by one until the noise goes away. Solution generally may consist of powering all devices from a single AC source 
e.g. a stip or regulator (but it tends to be more complex than that). Alternate solutions may be found by taking the most likely culprit (the one last removed when the hum went away) and use a box like 
this inserted into the signal chain (between source and amp) to interrupt the ground loop.

Cheers,
Nic

PS the amp-to-speaker cabling is pretty much the least likely source of the hum... ;-)


On 5/1/07, kkissinger@kevinkissinger.com <kkissinger@kevinkissinger.com
> wrote:
Quoting kkissinger@kevinkissinger.com
:

> For starters, if the amp has a headphone jack have your friend listen
> through the headphones.  Is the hum present in the headphones?  Also,
> have him disconnect the speakers.  Is the hum still in the headphones?

> If the hum is still present in the headphones, then the speaker cables
> are not the source of the hum.

I forgot to mention, turn off your amp before connecting or
disconnecting the speakers.


-- Kevin




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This is may be a long shot , but does anyone still have the  
operator's manual for the Multivox multi-echo?
(It doesn't matter whether it is the 312, or the 201, but preferably  
the 201)

Also, the service manual be a delight to have as well.

If so, I would love to get a copy (or copies, if both manuals)  and  
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didnt Robert Fripp busk at a shopping center with his
revox loops at one point?

--- Paul Richards  wrote:

> (About a block later a woman passed by me and said,
> 'that was really lovely 
> what you played...')
> 
> Can you met chicks that way? If so, I may start
> busking myself!
> 
> Paul Richards
> 
> ---- David Gans  wrote: 
> > At 11:14 AM -0400 4/9/07, Jim Goodin wrote:
> > 
> > >Most times the experience is more about doing it
> than income
> > 
> > I agree.  That's why I play the Farmers' Market
> near my home, which 
> > is a scheduled gig but pretty much the same as
> busking because almost 
> > no one is there to hear me play.  (I do have a few
> fans who show up 
> > when they know I'm going to be there, but still.)
> > 
> > 
> > >  however I have had a few nice things over the
> years.  A few years 
> > >ago a guy was watching me and appeared to be
> sketching.  He put a 
> > >caricture and a note down in my case to call him
> if I played 
> > >weddings so that led to a booking.  Have sold a
> few CD's and got a 
> > >few bucks.  One neat personal experienced
> happened one evening.  I 
> > >had quit and was walking out of the subway in
> Brooklyn.  About a 
> > >block later a woman passed by me and said, 'that
> was really lovely 
> > >what you played...'  Though those don't pay the
> rent in a sense 
> > >that's why we do it...
> > 
> > Nice stories.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > -- 
> > 
> > David Gans - david@trufun.com or david@gdhour.com
> > Truth and Fun, Inc., 484 Lake Park Ave. #102,
> Oakland CA 94610-2730
> > Blog:  http://logblog.gdhour.com
> > Web site: http://www.dgans.com
> > 
> 
> 


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busking rarely cathces my interest...
by the way prefered busking instrument in germany =
Accordion


--- kkissinger@kevinkissinger.com wrote:

> Quoting samba - :
> 
> > Just cause somone is a virtuoso instrumentalist
> doesn't mean
> > they know how to busk.
> 
> ... or even can hold down a job.  I know of many
> highly trained  
> classical organists who are unable to hold down
> steady church jobs  
> because they are insensitive to the desires of their
> church-employers.
> 
> > Classical repertoire requires steady attention
> > and not distractions.Not apporpriate to the venue
> when busking.
> 
> This is true just about anywhere.  Classical music,
> particularly the  
> works of Johann Sebastian Bach, are demanding works
> for both  
> performers AND listeners.  Bach's music possesses
> what I call an  
> "intrusion factor" -- except for the most cerebral
> music (such as "The  
> Musical Offering") most of it is too strident to
> have in the  
> background.  Although Bach's music is recognised in
> many circles as  
> the epitome of church music, if I played a Bach
> Fugue as a prelude in  
> my church I would be tarred and feathered.
> 
> People have expectations.  In some churches, people
> may expect to hear  
> major works before church.  In others, people want
> to socialize. At  
> still others (like the church I play at), people
> want it quiet.
> 
> > What is
> > appropriate is stuff that is very rhythmic,can be
> enjoyed while not a t
> > center of attention,is dynamic enough to grab
> attaention,etc.
> 
> Worded a different way -- the music doesn't demand
> attention yet, for  
> those that choose to pay attention, there is
> something there worth  
> listening to.  Most musicians and many great
> composers worked under  
> constraints.  Indeed, it is possible to create
> create music while  
> working under severe constraints.
> 
> > I highly
> > reccomend busking for anyone who hasn't done it.
> It's a great way to
> > learn about musical communication.
> 
> I think it would be fun.  Playing the pipe organ
> doesn't lend itself  
> to busking.  With electronic instruments
> (synthesizer, theremin) there  
> would be logistical issues with moving the equipment
> and finding an  
> a/c power source.
> 
> A friend of mine went out in Manhatten one day with
> a small (battery  
> powered) Theremin and amplifier.  He reported that
> crowds gathered  
> when he played Beatles songs and scattered as soon
> as he played  
> something classical.  His solution was simple...
> when no one was  
> around, he played classical to entertain himself and
> as soon as people  
> were within earshot he played tunes with which
> people were familiar.
> 
> Another point, well-taken, is that people were on
> their commutes to  
> work and most of them probably were running on tight
> schedules.  To do  
> this experiment in a park or a district where street
> performers are  
> part of the draw might have yielded a different
> result.
> 
> -- Kevin
> 
> 


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No, he was booked to play a gig there.
"Busking" would be if he set up without asking in a public space and
started playing, usually with an open guitar case or a hat for tips.

On 5/1/07, L.A. Angulo  wrote:
> didnt Robert Fripp busk at a shopping center with his
> revox loops at one point?
>

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Fripp did a Frippertronics "tour" in the VERY early 80's where he  
played places like record stores ( I saw it at the long gone now  
Peaches Records in Dallas,TX)
and I think(?) even places like a pizza parlor, but that could have  
also been a rumor way back then.  (OR...?)

Rev. Fever

On May 1, 2007, at 5:50 PM, L.A. Angulo wrote:

> didnt Robert Fripp busk at a shopping center with his
> revox loops at one point?
>
> --- Paul Richards  wrote:
>
>> (About a block later a woman passed by me and said,
>> 'that was really lovely
>> what you played...')
>>
>> Can you met chicks that way? If so, I may start
>> busking myself!
>>
>> Paul Richards
>>
>> ---- David Gans  wrote:
>>> At 11:14 AM -0400 4/9/07, Jim Goodin wrote:
>>>
>>>> Most times the experience is more about doing it
>> than income
>>>
>>> I agree.  That's why I play the Farmers' Market
>> near my home, which
>>> is a scheduled gig but pretty much the same as
>> busking because almost
>>> no one is there to hear me play.  (I do have a few
>> fans who show up
>>> when they know I'm going to be there, but still.)
>>>
>>>
>>>>  however I have had a few nice things over the
>> years.  A few years
>>>> ago a guy was watching me and appeared to be
>> sketching.  He put a
>>>> caricture and a note down in my case to call him
>> if I played
>>>> weddings so that led to a booking.  Have sold a
>> few CD's and got a
>>>> few bucks.  One neat personal experienced
>> happened one evening.  I
>>>> had quit and was walking out of the subway in
>> Brooklyn.  About a
>>>> block later a woman passed by me and said, 'that
>> was really lovely
>>>> what you played...'  Though those don't pay the
>> rent in a sense
>>>> that's why we do it...
>>>
>>> Nice stories.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -- 
>>>
>>> David Gans - david@trufun.com or david@gdhour.com
>>> Truth and Fun, Inc., 484 Lake Park Ave. #102,
>> Oakland CA 94610-2730
>>> Blog:  http://logblog.gdhour.com
>>> Web site: http://www.dgans.com
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
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>
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question about fripp:

does he have a son named john?

i think i met him last night... although the guy could be BSing... he  
was pretty drunk...

g.


On 1-May-07, at 8:55 PM, Rev Fever wrote:

> Fripp did a Frippertronics "tour" in the VERY early 80's where he  
> played places like record stores ( I saw it at the long gone now  
> Peaches Records in Dallas,TX)
> and I think(?) even places like a pizza parlor, but that could have  
> also been a rumor way back then.  (OR...?)
>
> Rev. Fever
>
> On May 1, 2007, at 5:50 PM, L.A. Angulo wrote:
>
>> didnt Robert Fripp busk at a shopping center with his
>> revox loops at one point?
>>
>> --- Paul Richards  wrote:
>>
>>> (About a block later a woman passed by me and said,
>>> 'that was really lovely
>>> what you played...')
>>>
>>> Can you met chicks that way? If so, I may start
>>> busking myself!
>>>
>>> Paul Richards
>>>
>>> ---- David Gans  wrote:
>>>> At 11:14 AM -0400 4/9/07, Jim Goodin wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Most times the experience is more about doing it
>>> than income
>>>>
>>>> I agree.  That's why I play the Farmers' Market
>>> near my home, which
>>>> is a scheduled gig but pretty much the same as
>>> busking because almost
>>>> no one is there to hear me play.  (I do have a few
>>> fans who show up
>>>> when they know I'm going to be there, but still.)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>  however I have had a few nice things over the
>>> years.  A few years
>>>>> ago a guy was watching me and appeared to be
>>> sketching.  He put a
>>>>> caricture and a note down in my case to call him
>>> if I played
>>>>> weddings so that led to a booking.  Have sold a
>>> few CD's and got a
>>>>> few bucks.  One neat personal experienced
>>> happened one evening.  I
>>>>> had quit and was walking out of the subway in
>>> Brooklyn.  About a
>>>>> block later a woman passed by me and said, 'that
>>> was really lovely
>>>>> what you played...'  Though those don't pay the
>>> rent in a sense
>>>>> that's why we do it...
>>>>
>>>> Nice stories.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -- 
>>>>
>>>> David Gans - david@trufun.com or david@gdhour.com
>>>> Truth and Fun, Inc., 484 Lake Park Ave. #102,
>>> Oakland CA 94610-2730
>>>> Blog:  http://logblog.gdhour.com
>>>> Web site: http://www.dgans.com
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
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Better would be:
long BALANCED cable - AMP - short cable - speaker
which would be not noisy.

noise is caused by EM radiation, which increases in impact on signal
basically as a square of strength per antenna length multiple of EM
wavelength.  The good news is your speaker cable is carrying lots of
watts, which the EM radiation will have trouble competing with.  Bad
news, when your signal is quiet, the radiation will sound loud.  Badly
engineered amplifiers that use overly simple negative feedback
elimination topologies can also bring that EM noise in from the
speaker line, and reroduce it, now driven by some fraction of
amplifier power.  Super bad news.  Noise can impact the amplifier from
other vectors as well, bad grounding with bad neg. feedback =3D massive
60hz AC hum.

I've seen shielding methods (wrap the speaker wire in metal/wiremesh/
other faraday like materials) as well as  really nasty volage
conversion inline (think the overhead musak in the 70's department
store) both of which don't seem to work well.

Short answer, move the amp. :)
-Miles

On 5/1/07, Raul Bonell  wrote:
> hi there!
>
> i know this is way out of topic but a friend of mine
> needs this info quickly to install a PA system.
>
> he complaints about the long cables on this equation:
>
> amp - long cable - speaker =3D noise+hum ?
>
> he asked if inserting some kind of inject box between the amp and the
> speaker will solve the problem.
>
> i know about DI boxes to match impedances at line/instrument level,
> but is there exists something similar for powerful signals? Silly
> question, isn't?
>
> For me this doesn't make much sense, since I think the noise is being
> produced by the low quality of the sources
>  (cd+mic+amp).  Maybe the proximity to some inductive sources...
> Perhaps good cables will help.
>
>  Any ideas / experiences?
>
> Ra=FCl.
>
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He did play a few pizza places on that tour.  All the dates are in the
liner notes of "Let The Power Fall".

On 5/1/07, Rev Fever  wrote:
> Fripp did a Frippertronics "tour" in the VERY early 80's where he
> played places like record stores ( I saw it at the long gone now
> Peaches Records in Dallas,TX)
> and I think(?) even places like a pizza parlor, but that could have
> also been a rumor way back then.  (OR...?)
>

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Quoting Graham Miller :

> question about fripp:
>
> does he have a son named john?
>
> i think i met him last night... although the guy could be BSing... he
> was pretty drunk...

Maybe it was this Robert Fripp:

http://preview.tinyurl.com/2wkhkh

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Howdy,

 Call Allen Fadness in Centralia Wa.
Rig


--- Rev Fever  wrote:

> This is may be a long shot , but does anyone still
> have the  
> operator's manual for the Multivox multi-echo?
> (It doesn't matter whether it is the 312, or the
> 201, but preferably  
> the 201)
> 
> Also, the service manual be a delight to have as
> well.
> 
> If so, I would love to get a copy (or copies, if
> both manuals)  and  
> will cover all costs to anyone for it and little
> extra for their time  
> etc.
> 
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> 
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> 
> TIA!
> 
> Steven
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> 
> 
> 


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  I saw the Frippertronics set at a record store in Portland-can't quite 
remember the name  .It was definately a high point..My friend  multimediaist 
David Stout  with whom I did the Radio Esoterica  show gave Fripp a tape of 
his work.Wonder if he ever listened to it. We played alot of Fripp and Eno, 
on the show,and  stuff Klaus Shulze,Conrad Shnitzler Terry Rily, Meredith 
Monk  as well as what ever obscure ethnic stuff I could lay hands on .Now 
the style of our show iis a genre. We also used to do live sound collage 
with as many as 4 turn tables,and a couple of tape decks ,2 mics. etc.  even 
spun turntables backwards on air.

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yeah right!

that's funny - but no... this kid was name dropping like crazy.   
belew this, bowie that...

g.

On 1-May-07, at 9:30 PM, David Kuznick wrote:

> Quoting Graham Miller :
>
>> question about fripp:
>>
>> does he have a son named john?
>>
>> i think i met him last night... although the guy could be BSing... he
>> was pretty drunk...
>
> Maybe it was this Robert Fripp:
>
> http://preview.tinyurl.com/2wkhkh
>
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I saw him at a Peach's Records in Ft. Lauderdale sometime around 1979. The place was so crowded, folks were standing on the record bins and filching records. Peach's was unable to maintain order. Great fun! 

Rev Fever  wrote:  Fripp did a Frippertronics "tour" in the VERY early 80's where he 
played places like record stores ( I saw it at the long gone now 
Peaches Records in Dallas,TX)
and I think(?) even places like a pizza parlor, but that could have 
also been a rumor way back then. (OR...?)

Rev. Fever

On May 1, 2007, at 5:50 PM, L.A. Angulo wrote:

> didnt Robert Fripp busk at a shopping center with his
> revox loops at one point?
>
> --- Paul Richards 
wrote:
>
>> (About a block later a woman passed by me and said,
>> 'that was really lovely
>> what you played...')
>>
>> Can you met chicks that way? If so, I may start
>> busking myself!
>>
>> Paul Richards
>>
>> ---- David Gans wrote:
>>> At 11:14 AM -0400 4/9/07, Jim Goodin wrote:
>>>
>>>> Most times the experience is more about doing it
>> than income
>>>
>>> I agree. That's why I play the Farmers' Market
>> near my home, which
>>> is a scheduled gig but pretty much the same as
>> busking because almost
>>> no one is there to hear me play. (I do have a few
>> fans who show up
>>> when they know I'm going to be there, but still.)
>>>
>>>
>>>> however I have had a few nice things over the
>> years. A few years
>>>> ago a guy was watching me and appeared to be
>> sketching. He put a
>>>> caricture and a note down in my case to call him
>> if I played
>>>> weddings so that led to a booking. Have sold a
>> few CD's and got a
>>>> few bucks. One neat personal experienced
>> happened one evening. I
>>>> had quit and was walking out of the subway in
>> Brooklyn. About a
>>>> block later a woman passed by me and said, 'that
>> was really lovely
>>>> what you played...' Though those don't pay the
>> rent in a sense
>>>> that's why we do it...
>>>
>>> Nice stories.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -- 
>>>
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I saw him at a Peach's Records in Ft. Lauderdale sometime around 1979. The place was so crowded, folks were standing on the record bins and filching records. Peach's was unable to maintain order. Great fun! 

Rev Fever <revfever@ubergadget.com> wrote:  
Fripp did a Frippertronics "tour" in the VERY early 80's where he 
played places like record stores ( I saw it at the long gone now 
Peaches Records in Dallas,TX)
and I think(?) even places like a pizza parlor, but that could have 
also been a rumor way back then. (OR...?)

Rev. Fever

On May 1, 2007, at 5:50 PM, L.A. Angulo wrote:

> didnt Robert Fripp busk at a shopping center with his
> revox loops at one point?
>
> --- Paul Richards wrote:
>
>> (About a block later a woman passed by me and
 said,
>> 'that was really lovely
>> what you played...')
>>
>> Can you met chicks that way? If so, I may start
>> busking myself!
>>
>> Paul Richards
>>
>> ---- David Gans wrote:
>>> At 11:14 AM -0400 4/9/07, Jim Goodin wrote:
>>>
>>>> Most times the experience is more about doing it
>> than income
>>>
>>> I agree. That's why I play the Farmers' Market
>> near my home, which
>>> is a scheduled gig but pretty much the same as
>> busking because almost
>>> no one is there to hear me play. (I do have a few
>> fans who show up
>>> when they know I'm going to be there, but still.)
>>>
>>>
>>>> however I have had a few nice things over the
>> years. A few years
>>>> ago a guy was
 watching me and appeared to be
>> sketching. He put a
>>>> caricture and a note down in my case to call him
>> if I played
>>>> weddings so that led to a booking. Have sold a
>> few CD's and got a
>>>> few bucks. One neat personal experienced
>> happened one evening. I
>>>> had quit and was walking out of the subway in
>> Brooklyn. About a
>>>> block later a woman passed by me and said, 'that
>> was really lovely
>>>> what you played...' Though those don't pay the
>> rent in a sense
>>>> that's why we do it...
>>>
>>> Nice stories.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -- 
>>>
>>> David Gans - david@trufun.com or david@gdhour.com
>>> Truth and Fun, Inc., 484 Lake Park Ave. #102,
>> Oakland CA
 94610-2730
>>> Blog: http://logblog.gdhour.com
>>> Web site: http://www.dgans.com
>>>
>>
>>
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> Ran across this yesterday and thought that I'd post since there was a
> brief discussion about the reactable some time back.

Hey, no fair!  I had one first!  How come she gets all the press???
Almost enough to make me want to stop using it now that any old lame
performer can have one...

;-)  ;-)  ;-)

Doug

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shes truly amazing:

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/11/30/60minutes/main2220358.shtml

I just saw her on TV a couple of days ago she just
calls up to the audience and says "somebody give me a
tune sing me a melody please" and starts improvisng an
amazing piece of work with it.She was also jaming bach
mixing it up with jazz as well as other classical
compositions with salsa grooves!
cheers
Luis




--- kkissinger@kevinkissinger.com wrote:

> Quoting samba - :
> 
> > Just cause somone is a virtuoso instrumentalist
> doesn't mean
> > they know how to busk.
> 
> ... or even can hold down a job.  I know of many
> highly trained  
> classical organists who are unable to hold down
> steady church jobs  
> because they are insensitive to the desires of their
> church-employers.
> 
> > Classical repertoire requires steady attention
> > and not distractions.Not apporpriate to the venue
> when busking.
> 
> This is true just about anywhere.  Classical music,
> particularly the  
> works of Johann Sebastian Bach, are demanding works
> for both  
> performers AND listeners.  Bach's music possesses
> what I call an  
> "intrusion factor" -- except for the most cerebral
> music (such as "The  
> Musical Offering") most of it is too strident to
> have in the  
> background.  Although Bach's music is recognised in
> many circles as  
> the epitome of church music, if I played a Bach
> Fugue as a prelude in  
> my church I would be tarred and feathered.
> 
> People have expectations.  In some churches, people
> may expect to hear  
> major works before church.  In others, people want
> to socialize. At  
> still others (like the church I play at), people
> want it quiet.
> 
> > What is
> > appropriate is stuff that is very rhythmic,can be
> enjoyed while not a t
> > center of attention,is dynamic enough to grab
> attaention,etc.
> 
> Worded a different way -- the music doesn't demand
> attention yet, for  
> those that choose to pay attention, there is
> something there worth  
> listening to.  Most musicians and many great
> composers worked under  
> constraints.  Indeed, it is possible to create
> create music while  
> working under severe constraints.
> 
> > I highly
> > reccomend busking for anyone who hasn't done it.
> It's a great way to
> > learn about musical communication.
> 
> I think it would be fun.  Playing the pipe organ
> doesn't lend itself  
> to busking.  With electronic instruments
> (synthesizer, theremin) there  
> would be logistical issues with moving the equipment
> and finding an  
> a/c power source.
> 
> A friend of mine went out in Manhatten one day with
> a small (battery  
> powered) Theremin and amplifier.  He reported that
> crowds gathered  
> when he played Beatles songs and scattered as soon
> as he played  
> something classical.  His solution was simple...
> when no one was  
> around, he played classical to entertain himself and
> as soon as people  
> were within earshot he played tunes with which
> people were familiar.
> 
> Another point, well-taken, is that people were on
> their commutes to  
> work and most of them probably were running on tight
> schedules.  To do  
> this experiment in a park or a district where street
> performers are  
> part of the draw might have yielded a different
> result.
> 
> -- Kevin
> 
> 


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Comin=
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d educator, have been lurking here for a while and thoroughly enjoy your dis=
cussions, gear expertise and sound samples. Some very creative stuff and you=
 have opened up a whole new soundscape to my ears.  I also got myself t=
he Schaefer book as a recommendation from here somewhere.



As a bassist looping aint really on the top priority list of things when yo=
u are out there gigging, but I have lately gotten into solo bass and there y=
ou have it – the bug’s got me. I guess the Looperlative will end=
 up on some wishlist soon! But I aint nowhere there yet. For about the last =
month I have been totally nuts over my RC20XL. I also have the GT 6B, but fi=
nd it very limited in terms of looping capabilities. 



I have a very very basic issue with the looping thing – the timing of=
 the foot hit. I am using quantize , but more often than not things don̵=
7;t line up because it’s either an odd phrase (36 beats, so I have to =
program a 9/4) or my foot is lagging or what have you. Some of what I play i=
s harmonics, so it might not pick it up right... I practice with a metronome=
 (or the guide tone), but it’s still not as accurate as I’d want=
 it and it’s mainly the foot movement, as my time is generally very so=
lid... any tipps on how to practice the right foot technique? Any other tipp=
s for a beginner looper?



Thanks much,

and nice to meet you all,

Ariane



PS: befriend me:

myspace.com/bassista




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Heh!   Funny indeed.

A couple more humorous details on my Fripp / Peaches / Dallas  
experience:

Fripp gave some brief talk about the evils of live-concerts- 
recordings-piracy before performing, and then moments after he  
finished playing,
from out in the crowd which was quite large for the store, the sound  
of a squawky little recording (as done on a small portable cassette)
was suddenly heard of some of what he he had just played, and he  
stopped was else he was saying at the moment and said something along  
the lines of:
"Young man, I will take that recording you just made!" , or something  
to that effect, and some guy sheepishly came out of the crowd and  
"surrendered" the "pirate" cassette.

It all seemed REAL STAGED and phony as hell, and some of us just  
looked around at each other and rolled our eyes, since it seemed like  
a phony "incident",
but one that seemed as if it was completely serious. (or "serious").   
But who knows? Maybe it was some joke on all of us?  Regardless, it  
added to the over all "experience" haha.

The other funny thing I  recall was that, earlier in the day, I came  
into Peaches to make sure that it was not some rumor that he was  
going to play there,
and a girl behind the counter, who could not pronounce her "Rs" very  
well, told me to be sure to come back later, because (verbatim)
"Lobert Trip (yes TRIP!) was playing later in the store."  HAR!

But, I still would have loved even more to have experienced this in a  
pizza parlor!    Pizza + beer + FRIPPERTRONICS, LIVE!   Ahhhh!

-Rev. Fever

On May 1, 2007, at 7:02 PM, Paul Richards wrote:

> I saw him at a Peach's Records in Ft. Lauderdale sometime around  
> 1979. The place was so crowded, folks were standing on the record  
> bins and filching records. Peach's was unable to maintain order.  
> Great fun!
>
> Rev Fever  wrote:
> Fripp did a Frippertronics "tour" in the VERY early 80's where he
> played places like record stores ( I saw it at the long gone now
> Peaches Records in Dallas,TX)
> and I think(?) even places like a pizza parlor, but that could have
> also been a rumor way back then. (OR...?)
>
> Rev. Fever
>
> On May 1, 2007, at 5:50 PM, L.A. Angulo wrote:
>
> > didnt Robert Fripp busk at a shopping center with his
> > revox loops at one point?
> >
> > --- Paul Richards wrote:
> >
> >> (About a block later a woman passed by me and said,
> >> 'that was really lovely
> >> what you played...')
> >>
> >> Can you met chicks that way? If so, I may start
> >> busking myself!
> >>
> >> Paul Richards
> >>
> >> ---- David Gans wrote:
> >>> At 11:14 AM -0400 4/9/07, Jim Goodin wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Most times the experience is more about doing it
> >> than income
> >>>
> >>> I agree. That's why I play the Farmers' Market
> >> near my home, which
> >>> is a scheduled gig but pretty much the same as
> >> busking because almost
> >>> no one is there to hear me play. (I do have a few
> >> fans who show up
> >>> when they know I'm going to be there, but still.)
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> however I have had a few nice things over the
> >> years. A few years
> >>>> ago a guy was watching me and appeared to be
> >> sketching. He put a
> >>>> caricture and a note down in my case to call him
> >> if I played
> >>>> weddings so that led to a booking. Have sold a
> >> few CD's and got a
> >>>> few bucks. One neat personal experienced
> >> happened one evening. I
> >>>> had quit and was walking out of the subway in
> >> Brooklyn. About a
> >>>> block later a woman passed by me and said, 'that
> >> was really lovely
> >>>> what you played...' Though those don't pay the
> >> rent in a sense
> >>>> that's why we do it...
> >>>
> >>> Nice stories.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>>
> >>> David Gans - david@trufun.com or david@gdhour.com
> >>> Truth and Fun, Inc., 484 Lake Park Ave. #102,
> >> Oakland CA 94610-2730
> >>> Blog: http://logblog.gdhour.com
> >>> Web site: http://www.dgans.com
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> >>
> >>
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Heh!=A0 =A0Funny indeed.

A couple more humorous =
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Fripp gave some brief talk =
about the evils of live-concerts-recordings-piracy before performing, =
and then moments after he finished playing,
from out in the =
crowd which was quite large for the store, the sound of a squawky little =
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was =
suddenly heard of some of what he he had just played, and he stopped was =
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of:
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or something to that effect, and some guy sheepishly came out of the =
crowd and "surrendered" the "pirate" cassette.

It all seemed REAL STAGED =
and phony as hell, and some of us just looked around at each other and =
rolled our eyes, since it seemed like a phony =
"incident",=A0
but=A0one that seemed as if it was completely =
serious. (or "serious").=A0=A0But who knows? Maybe it was some joke on =
all of us?=A0=A0Regardless, it added to the over all "experience" =
haha.

The =
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Peaches to make sure that it was not some rumor that he was going to =
play there,
and a girl behind the counter, who could not =
pronounce her "Rs" very well, told me to be sure to come back later, =
because (verbatim)=A0
"Lobert Trip (yes TRIP!) was playing =
later in the store."=A0 HAR!

But, I still would have =
loved even more to have experienced this in a pizza parlor! =A0 =A0Pizza =
+ beer + FRIPPERTRONICS, LIVE!=A0 =A0Ahhhh!

-Rev. =
Fever

On May 1, 2007, at 7:02 PM, Paul Richards =
wrote:

I saw him at a Peach's Records in Ft. Lauderdale sometime =
around 1979. The place was so crowded, folks were standing on the record =
bins and filching records. Peach's was unable to maintain order. Great =
fun! 

Rev Fever <revfever@ubergadget.com> wrote:  
Fripp did a =
Frippertronics "tour" in the VERY early 80's where he 
played places =
like record stores ( I saw it at the long gone now 
Peaches Records =
in Dallas,TX)
and I think(?) even places like a pizza parlor, but =
that could have 
also been a rumor way back then. =
(OR...?)

Rev. Fever

On May 1, 2007, at 5:50 PM, L.A. =
Angulo wrote:

> didnt Robert Fripp busk at a shopping center =
with his
> revox loops at one point?
>
> --- Paul =
Richards wrote:
>
>> (About a block later a woman passed =
by me and said,
>> 'that was really lovely
>> what you =
played...')
>>
>> Can you met chicks that way? If so, =
I may start
>> busking myself!
>>
>> Paul =
Richards
>>
>> ---- David Gans wrote:
>>> =
At 11:14 AM -0400 4/9/07, Jim Goodin =
wrote:
>>>
>>>> Most times the experience is =
more about doing it
>> than =
income
>>>
>>> I agree. That's why I play the =
Farmers' Market
>> near my home, which
>>> is a =
scheduled gig but pretty much the same as
>> busking because =
almost
>>> no one is there to hear me play. (I do have a =
few
>> fans who show up
>>> when they know I'm =
going to be there, but =
still.)
>>>
>>>
>>>> however I =
have had a few nice things over the
>> years. A few =
years
>>>> ago a guy was watching me and appeared to =
be
>> sketching. He put a
>>>> caricture and a =
note down in my case to call him
>> if I =
played
>>>> weddings so that led to a booking. Have sold =
a
>> few CD's and got a
>>>> few bucks. One neat =
personal experienced
>> happened one evening. =
I
>>>> had quit and was walking out of the subway =
in
>> Brooklyn. About a
>>>> block later a woman =
passed by me and said, 'that
>> was really =
lovely
>>>> what you played...' Though those don't pay =
the
>> rent in a sense
>>>> that's why we do =
it...
>>>
>>> Nice =
stories.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> =
-- 
>>>
>>> David Gans - david@trufun.com or david@gdhour.com
>>> =
Truth and Fun, Inc., 484 Lake Park Ave. #102,
>> Oakland CA =
94610-2730
>>> Blog: http://logblog.gdhour.com
>&g=
t;> Web site: http://www.dgans.com
>>>
=
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>>
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Those were the days... Does anyone have any video of the Frippertronics
tour, or any of the rare Fripp/Eno live jams?

On 5/1/07, Rev Fever  wrote:
>
> Heh!   Funny indeed.
> A couple more humorous details on my Fripp / Peaches / Dallas experience:
>
> Fripp gave some brief talk about the evils of
> live-concerts-recordings-piracy before performing, and then moments after he
> finished playing,
> from out in the crowd which was quite large for the store, the sound of a
> squawky little recording (as done on a small portable cassette)
> was suddenly heard of some of what he he had just played, and he stopped
> was else he was saying at the moment and said something along the lines of:
> "Young man, I will take that recording you just made!" , or something to
> that effect, and some guy sheepishly came out of the crowd and "surrendered"
> the "pirate" cassette.
>
> It all seemed REAL STAGED and phony as hell, and some of us just looked
> around at each other and rolled our eyes, since it seemed like a phony
> "incident",
> but one that seemed as if it was completely serious. (or "serious").  But
> who knows? Maybe it was some joke on all of us?  Regardless, it added to the
> over all "experience" haha.
>
> The other funny thing I  recall was that, earlier in the day, I came into
> Peaches to make sure that it was not some rumor that he was going to play
> there,
> and a girl behind the counter, who could not pronounce her "Rs" very well,
> told me to be sure to come back later, because (verbatim)
> "Lobert Trip (yes TRIP!) was playing later in the store."  HAR!
>
> But, I still would have loved even more to have experienced this in a
> pizza parlor!    Pizza + beer + FRIPPERTRONICS, LIVE!   Ahhhh!
>
> -Rev. Fever
>
> On May 1, 2007, at 7:02 PM, Paul Richards wrote:
>
> I saw him at a Peach's Records in Ft. Lauderdale sometime around 1979. The
> place was so crowded, folks were standing on the record bins and filching
> records. Peach's was unable to maintain order. Great fun!
>
> *Rev Fever * wrote:
>
> Fripp did a Frippertronics "tour" in the VERY early 80's where he
> played places like record stores ( I saw it at the long gone now
> Peaches Records in Dallas,TX)
> and I think(?) even places like a pizza parlor, but that could have
> also been a rumor way back then. (OR...?)
>
> Rev. Fever
>
> On May 1, 2007, at 5:50 PM, L.A. Angulo wrote:
>
> > didnt Robert Fripp busk at a shopping center with his
> > revox loops at one point?
> >
> > --- Paul Richards wrote:
> >
> >> (About a block later a woman passed by me and said,
> >> 'that was really lovely
> >> what you played...')
> >>
> >> Can you met chicks that way? If so, I may start
> >> busking myself!
> >>
> >> Paul Richards
> >>
> >> ---- David Gans wrote:
> >>> At 11:14 AM -0400 4/9/07, Jim Goodin wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Most times the experience is more about doing it
> >> than income
> >>>
> >>> I agree. That's why I play the Farmers' Market
> >> near my home, which
> >>> is a scheduled gig but pretty much the same as
> >> busking because almost
> >>> no one is there to hear me play. (I do have a few
> >> fans who show up
> >>> when they know I'm going to be there, but still.)
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> however I have had a few nice things over the
> >> years. A few years
> >>>> ago a guy was watching me and appeared to be
> >> sketching. He put a
> >>>> caricture and a note down in my case to call him
> >> if I played
> >>>> weddings so that led to a booking. Have sold a
> >> few CD's and got a
> >>>> few bucks. One neat personal experienced
> >> happened one evening. I
> >>>> had quit and was walking out of the subway in
> >> Brooklyn. About a
> >>>> block later a woman passed by me and said, 'that
> >> was really lovely
> >>>> what you played...' Though those don't pay the
> >> rent in a sense
> >>>> that's why we do it...
> >>>
> >>> Nice stories.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>>
> >>> David Gans - david@trufun.com or david@gdhour.com
> >>> Truth and Fun, Inc., 484 Lake Park Ave. #102,
> >> Oakland CA 94610-2730
> >>> Blog: http://logblog.gdhour.com
> >>> Web site: http://www.dgans.com
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom
> >
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Those were the days... Does anyone have any video of the Frippertronics tour, or any of the rare Fripp/Eno live jams?

On 5/1/07, Rev Fever <
revfever@ubergadget.com> wrote:
Heh!   Funny indeed.



A couple more humorous details on my Fripp / Peaches / Dallas experience:

Fripp gave some brief talk about the evils of live-concerts-recordings-piracy before performing, and then moments after he finished playing,

from out in the crowd which was quite large for the store, the sound of a squawky little recording (as done on a small portable cassette) 
was suddenly heard of some of what he he had just played, and he stopped was else he was saying at the moment and said something along the lines of:

"Young man, I will take that recording you just made!" , or something to that effect, and some guy sheepishly came out of the crowd and "surrendered" the "pirate" cassette.


It all seemed REAL STAGED and phony as hell, and some of us just looked around at each other and rolled our eyes, since it seemed like a phony "incident", 
but one that seemed as if it was completely serious. (or "serious").  But who knows? Maybe it was some joke on all of us?  Regardless, it added to the over all "experience" haha.


The other funny thing I  recall was that, earlier in the day, I came into Peaches to make sure that it was not some rumor that he was going to play there,
and a girl behind the counter, who could not pronounce her "Rs" very well, told me to be sure to come back later, because (verbatim) 

"Lobert Trip (yes TRIP!) was playing later in the store."  HAR!

But, I still would have loved even more to have experienced this in a pizza parlor!    Pizza + beer + FRIPPERTRONICS, LIVE!   Ahhhh!


-Rev. Fever

On May 1, 2007, at 7:02 PM, Paul Richards wrote:

I saw him at a Peach's Records in Ft. Lauderdale sometime around 1979. The place was so crowded, folks were standing on the record bins and filching records. Peach's was unable to maintain order. Great fun! 


Rev Fever <revfever@ubergadget.com> wrote:  

Fripp did a Frippertronics "tour" in the VERY early 80's where he 
played places like record stores ( I saw it at the long gone now 
Peaches Records in Dallas,TX)
and I think(?) even places like a pizza parlor, but that could have 

also been a rumor way back then. (OR...?)

Rev. Fever

On May 1, 2007, at 5:50 PM, L.A. Angulo wrote:

> didnt Robert Fripp busk at a shopping center with his
> revox loops at one point?

>
> --- Paul Richards wrote:
>
>> (About a block later a woman passed by me and said,
>> 'that was really lovely
>> what you played...')
>>
>> Can you met chicks that way? If so, I may start

>> busking myself!
>>
>> Paul Richards
>>
>> ---- David Gans wrote:
>>> At 11:14 AM -0400 4/9/07, Jim Goodin wrote:
>>>
>>>> Most times the experience is more about doing it

>> than income
>>>
>>> I agree. That's why I play the Farmers' Market
>> near my home, which
>>> is a scheduled gig but pretty much the same as
>> busking because almost

>>> no one is there to hear me play. (I do have a few
>> fans who show up
>>> when they know I'm going to be there, but still.)
>>>
>>>
>>>> however I have had a few nice things over the

>> years. A few years
>>>> ago a guy was watching me and appeared to be
>> sketching. He put a
>>>> caricture and a note down in my case to call him
>> if I played

>>>> weddings so that led to a booking. Have sold a
>> few CD's and got a
>>>> few bucks. One neat personal experienced
>> happened one evening. I
>>>> had quit and was walking out of the subway in

>> Brooklyn. About a
>>>> block later a woman passed by me and said, 'that
>> was really lovely
>>>> what you played...' Though those don't pay the
>> rent in a sense

>>>> that's why we do it...
>>>
>>> Nice stories.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -- 
>>>
>>> David Gans - 
david@trufun.com or david@gdhour.com
>>> Truth and Fun, Inc., 484 Lake Park Ave. #102,
>> Oakland CA 94610-2730

>>> Blog: http://logblog.gdhour.com
>>> Web site: 
http://www.dgans.com
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
> www.myspace.com/luisangulocom

>
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Maybe this is of some possible interest?

http://www.bigozine2.com/archive/ARrarities/ARrfbebbc.html

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On May 1, 2007, at 9:22 PM, Michael Billow wrote:

> Those were the days... Does anyone have any video of the  
> Frippertronics tour, or any of the rare Fripp/Eno live jams?


>
> On 5/1/07, Rev Fever < revfever@ubergadget.com> wrote:
> Heh!   Funny indeed.
>
> A couple more humorous details on my Fripp / Peaches / Dallas  
> experience:
>
> Fripp gave some brief talk about the evils of live-concerts- 
> recordings-piracy before performing, and then moments after he  
> finished playing,
> from out in the crowd which was quite large for the store, the  
> sound of a squawky little recording (as done on a small portable  
> cassette)
> was suddenly heard of some of what he he had just played, and he  
> stopped was else he was saying at the moment and said something  
> along the lines of:
> "Young man, I will take that recording you just made!" , or  
> something to that effect, and some guy sheepishly came out of the  
> crowd and "surrendered" the "pirate" cassette.
>
> It all seemed REAL STAGED and phony as hell, and some of us just  
> looked around at each other and rolled our eyes, since it seemed  
> like a phony "incident",
> but one that seemed as if it was completely serious. (or  
> "serious").  But who knows? Maybe it was some joke on all of us?   
> Regardless, it added to the over all "experience" haha.
>
> The other funny thing I  recall was that, earlier in the day, I  
> came into Peaches to make sure that it was not some rumor that he  
> was going to play there,
> and a girl behind the counter, who could not pronounce her "Rs"  
> very well, told me to be sure to come back later, because (verbatim)
> "Lobert Trip (yes TRIP!) was playing later in the store."  HAR!
>
> But, I still would have loved even more to have experienced this in  
> a pizza parlor!    Pizza + beer + FRIPPERTRONICS, LIVE!   Ahhhh!
>
> -Rev. Fever
>
> On May 1, 2007, at 7:02 PM, Paul Richards wrote:
>
>> I saw him at a Peach's Records in Ft. Lauderdale sometime around  
>> 1979. The place was so crowded, folks were standing on the record  
>> bins and filching records. Peach's was unable to maintain order.  
>> Great fun!
>>
>> Rev Fever  wrote:
>> Fripp did a Frippertronics "tour" in the VERY early 80's where he
>> played places like record stores ( I saw it at the long gone now
>> Peaches Records in Dallas,TX)
>> and I think(?) even places like a pizza parlor, but that could have
>> also been a rumor way back then. (OR...?)
>>
>> Rev. Fever
>>
>> On May 1, 2007, at 5:50 PM, L.A. Angulo wrote:
>>
>> > didnt Robert Fripp busk at a shopping center with his
>> > revox loops at one point?
>> >
>> > --- Paul Richards wrote:
>> >
>> >> (About a block later a woman passed by me and said,
>> >> 'that was really lovely
>> >> what you played...')
>> >>
>> >> Can you met chicks that way? If so, I may start
>> >> busking myself!
>> >>
>> >> Paul Richards
>> >>
>> >> ---- David Gans wrote:
>> >>> At 11:14 AM -0400 4/9/07, Jim Goodin wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>> Most times the experience is more about doing it
>> >> than income
>> >>>
>> >>> I agree. That's why I play the Farmers' Market
>> >> near my home, which
>> >>> is a scheduled gig but pretty much the same as
>> >> busking because almost
>> >>> no one is there to hear me play. (I do have a few
>> >> fans who show up
>> >>> when they know I'm going to be there, but still.)
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>> however I have had a few nice things over the
>> >> years. A few years
>> >>>> ago a guy was watching me and appeared to be
>> >> sketching. He put a
>> >>>> caricture and a note down in my case to call him
>> >> if I played
>> >>>> weddings so that led to a booking. Have sold a
>> >> few CD's and got a
>> >>>> few bucks. One neat personal experienced
>> >> happened one evening. I
>> >>>> had quit and was walking out of the subway in
>> >> Brooklyn. About a
>> >>>> block later a woman passed by me and said, 'that
>> >> was really lovely
>> >>>> what you played...' Though those don't pay the
>> >> rent in a sense
>> >>>> that's why we do it...
>> >>>
>> >>> Nice stories.
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> --
>> >>>
>> >>> David Gans - david@trufun.com or david@gdhour.com
>> >>> Truth and Fun, Inc., 484 Lake Park Ave. #102,
>> >> Oakland CA 94610-2730
>> >>> Blog: http://logblog.gdhour.com
>> >>> Web site: http://www.dgans.com
>> >>>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>> > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom
>> >
>> > __________________________________________________
>> > Do You Yahoo!?
>> > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around
>> > http://mail.yahoo.com
>> >
>>
>>
>>
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>
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Maybe this is of some possible =
interest?


-Rev. =
Fever

On May 1, 2007, at 9:22 PM, Michael Billow =
wrote:

Those were the days... Does anyone have any video of the =
Frippertronics tour, or any of the rare Fripp/Eno live =
jams?



On 5/1/07, Rev Fever < revfever@ubergadget.com> =
wrote:
Heh!=A0 =A0Funny indeed.

 
A =
couple more humorous details on my Fripp / Peaches / Dallas =
experience:

Fripp gave some brief talk about =
the evils of live-concerts-recordings-piracy before performing, and then =
moments after he finished playing, 
from out in the crowd =
which was quite large for the store, the sound of a squawky little =
recording (as done on a small portable cassette)=A0
was =
suddenly heard of some of what he he had just played, and he stopped was =
else he was saying at the moment and said something along the lines of: =

"Young man, I will take that recording you just made!" , or =
something to that effect, and some guy sheepishly came out of the crowd =
and "surrendered" the "pirate" cassette.
 
It =
all seemed REAL STAGED and phony as hell, and some of us just looked =
around at each other and rolled our eyes, since it seemed like a phony =
"incident",=A0
but=A0one that seemed as if it was completely =
serious. (or "serious").=A0=A0But who knows? Maybe it was some joke on =
all of us?=A0=A0Regardless, it added to the over all "experience" haha. =


The other funny thing I=A0 recall was that, =
earlier in the day, I came into Peaches to make sure that it was not =
some rumor that he was going to play there,
and a girl behind =
the counter, who could not pronounce her "Rs" very well, told me to be =
sure to come back later, because (verbatim)=A0 
"Lobert Trip =
(yes TRIP!) was playing later in the store."=A0 =
HAR!

But, I still would have loved even more to =
have experienced this in a pizza parlor! =A0 =A0Pizza + beer + =
FRIPPERTRONICS, LIVE!=A0 =A0Ahhhh! 

-Rev. Fever

On May 1, =
2007, at 7:02 PM, Paul Richards wrote:

I saw him at a Peach's Records in Ft. Lauderdale sometime =
around 1979. The place was so crowded, folks were standing on the record =
bins and filching records. Peach's was unable to maintain order. Great =
fun! 

Rev Fever <revfever@ubergadget.com>=
 wrote:  
 Fripp did a Frippertronics =
"tour" in the VERY early 80's where he 
played places like record =
stores ( I saw it at the long gone now 
Peaches Records in =
Dallas,TX)
and I think(?) even places like a pizza parlor, but that =
could have 
also been a rumor way back then. (OR...?)

Rev. =
Fever

On May 1, 2007, at 5:50 PM, L.A. Angulo wrote:

> =
didnt Robert Fripp busk at a shopping center with his
> revox =
loops at one point?
 >
> --- Paul Richards =
wrote:
>
>> (About a block later a woman passed by me and =
said,
>> 'that was really lovely
>> what you =
played...')
>>
>> Can you met chicks that way? If so, =
I may start 
>> busking myself!
>>
>> Paul =
Richards
>>
>> ---- David Gans wrote:
>>> =
At 11:14 AM -0400 4/9/07, Jim Goodin =
wrote:
>>>
>>>> Most times the experience is =
more about doing it 
>> than =
income
>>>
>>> I agree. That's why I play the =
Farmers' Market
>> near my home, which
>>> is a =
scheduled gig but pretty much the same as
>> busking because =
almost 
>>> no one is there to hear me play. (I do have a =
few
>> fans who show up
>>> when they know I'm =
going to be there, but =
still.)
>>>
>>>
>>>> however I =
have had a few nice things over the 
>> years. A few =
years
>>>> ago a guy was watching me and appeared to =
be
>> sketching. He put a
>>>> caricture and a =
note down in my case to call him
>> if I played =

>>>> weddings so that led to a booking. Have sold =
a
>> few CD's and got a
>>>> few bucks. One neat =
personal experienced
>> happened one evening. =
I
>>>> had quit and was walking out of the subway in =

>> Brooklyn. About a
>>>> block later a woman =
passed by me and said, 'that
>> was really =
lovely
>>>> what you played...' Though those don't pay =
the
>> rent in a sense 
>>>> that's why we do =
it...
>>>
>>> Nice =
stories.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> =
-- 
>>>
>>> David Gans -  david@trufun.com or david@gdhour.com
>>>=
; Truth and Fun, Inc., 484 Lake Park Ave. #102,
>> Oakland CA =
94610-2730 
>>> Blog: http://logblog.gdhour.com
&g=
t;>> Web site:  =
http://www.dgans.com
>>>
>>
>>
>>
> www.myspace.com/luisangulocom =

>
> =
__________________________________________________
> Do You =
Yahoo!?
> Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection =
around
>  =
http://mail.yahoo.com
>


        =

Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" =
smell?
 Check out  new cars at Yahoo! =
Autos.



=

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> I have a very very basic issue with the looping thing =AD the timing of th=
e
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I have an RC50 and like you, I am still get used to hitting the pedals =20
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What has worked for me is to start on beat one and to press the pedal =20
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On 2 maj 2007, at 02.50, L.A. Angulo wrote:

> didnt Robert Fripp busk at a shopping center with his
> revox loops at one point?

Hm, I remember I heard he was busking hotel lobbies... I think it was  
around 1980.

Per


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Hey,that's my purple tuba!
And yes, it's unavoidable.  At full crank you can hear it for 35
blocks in downtown Seattle after nightfall :)
If i play nice tho, it's totally approchable, and gets a big kick out
of the crowd.  Works much better as a duet with my man Luke tho.. and
we never can seem to find someone to give us 2 and 4 with a bucket or
somethin..  just a sucker for that group sound :)
-Miles

On 4/9/07, Daryl Shawn  wrote:
> I suppose so, but audio is localized, unless it's seriously amped; one
> can move away, unless you're lucky enough to be in an elevator with the
> electric zither/chinese violin/purple tuba. The other choice is to plug
> in the ubiquitous white earbuds, if they're not already installed.
>
> I was just sayin' if buskers are presumptuous, so are the ads. I feel
> that complaints about either could be directed to both.
>
> Most annoying "buskers" I've ever seen: in Mexico City, occasionally a
> truck will come by the lovely plaza in front of the Bellas Artes and
> disgorge five uniformed organ grinders who start a-grinding. That's bad
> enough - tonal music played on untuned instruments, in chorus - but
> along with them are double their number of donation collectors, also
> uniformed, who forcefully accost every passersby for cash. Not only the
> music questionable, but so is the artistry of mere handle-cranking, and
> the army of solicitors guarantee that pretty much everyone runs for cover.
>
> Daryl Shawn
> www.swanwelder.com
> www.chinapaintingmusic.com
>
> > ahhh yes, true... but you don't have to look at them... you can just
> > look the other way. Audio is harder to avoid.
>
>


-- 
---Miles Ward

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Hi Loopers,

I have been listening to stuff by Nels Cline lately and really enjoy  
it! I kind of "missed the train" regarding Wilco, thinking they were  
" just a country influenced band that mocked up their songs to sound  
like other already existing songs". How stupid of me - I know better  
now after listening to two Wilco albums on a row :-))   But the  
avantgarde stuff Nels is doing on his own, or in different  
collaborations, is really my bag. Amazing stuff! Anyone been to gigs  
with him? What's it like? And when Wilco plays live, do they act and  
stretch out more, musically speaking, compared to the records?

Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
www.boysen.se (Swedish)
www.looproom.com (international)
http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast)
http://tinyurl.com/2kek7h (CC donationware music releases)


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I believe RF has been playing in public spaces for quite a while, from pizza 
parlors to Peaches/Tower Records, to the World Congress Center.  Some sites 
in the UK as well, but his attitude towards playing in the UK is I think 
spot on - "You can't sell ambient music in England", or something similar to 
that.  I'm attempting to build a busk-a-matic kind of portable rack for the 
purpose of doing the Carling busking thing, simply because I'd like to 
bounce my sounds off the tiles in the tube stations.  I suspect RF's efforts 
in England are pretty much artistically-motivated, and just that...

From: "L.A. Angulo" 
> didnt Robert Fripp busk at a shopping center with his
> revox loops at one point?
>
> --- Paul Richards  wrote:
>
>> (About a block later a woman passed by me and said,
>> 'that was really lovely
>> what you played...')
>>
>> Can you met chicks that way? If so, I may start
>> busking myself!
>>
>> Paul Richards
>>
>> ---- David Gans  wrote:
>> > At 11:14 AM -0400 4/9/07, Jim Goodin wrote:
>> >
>> > >Most times the experience is more about doing it
>> than income
>> >
>> > I agree.  That's why I play the Farmers' Market
>> near my home, which
>> > is a scheduled gig but pretty much the same as
>> busking because almost
>> > no one is there to hear me play.  (I do have a few
>> fans who show up
>> > when they know I'm going to be there, but still.)
>> >
>> >
>> > >  however I have had a few nice things over the
>> years.  A few years
>> > >ago a guy was watching me and appeared to be
>> sketching.  He put a
>> > >caricture and a note down in my case to call him
>> if I played
>> > >weddings so that led to a booking.  Have sold a
>> few CD's and got a
>> > >few bucks.  One neat personal experienced
>> happened one evening.  I
>> > >had quit and was walking out of the subway in
>> Brooklyn.  About a
>> > >block later a woman passed by me and said, 'that
>> was really lovely
>> > >what you played...'  Though those don't pay the
>> rent in a sense
>> > >that's why we do it...
>> >
>> > Nice stories.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > -- 
>> >
>> > David Gans - david@trufun.com or david@gdhour.com
>> > Truth and Fun, Inc., 484 Lake Park Ave. #102,
>> Oakland CA 94610-2730
>> > Blog:  http://logblog.gdhour.com
>> > Web site: http://www.dgans.com
>> >
>>
>>
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I have a trio of mp3's from the London Palladium in 1974 of the "No =
Pussyfooting" period.  Arrr, Shiver me timbers!
  From: Michael Billow=20
  Those were the days... Does anyone have any video of the =
Frippertronics tour, or any of the rare Fripp/Eno live jams?


  On 5/1/07, Rev Fever < revfever@ubergadget.com> wrote:
    Heh!   Funny indeed.


    A couple more humorous details on my Fripp / Peaches / Dallas =
experience:


    Fripp gave some brief talk about the evils of =
live-concerts-recordings-piracy before performing, and then moments =
after he finished playing,=20
    from out in the crowd which was quite large for the store, the sound =
of a squawky little recording (as done on a small portable cassette)=20
    was suddenly heard of some of what he he had just played, and he =
stopped was else he was saying at the moment and said something along =
the lines of:=20
    "Young man, I will take that recording you just made!" , or =
something to that effect, and some guy sheepishly came out of the crowd =
and "surrendered" the "pirate" cassette.


    It all seemed REAL STAGED and phony as hell, and some of us just =
looked around at each other and rolled our eyes, since it seemed like a =
phony "incident",=20
    but one that seemed as if it was completely serious. (or "serious"). =
 But who knows? Maybe it was some joke on all of us?  Regardless, it =
added to the over all "experience" haha.=20


    The other funny thing I  recall was that, earlier in the day, I came =
into Peaches to make sure that it was not some rumor that he was going =
to play there,
    and a girl behind the counter, who could not pronounce her "Rs" very =
well, told me to be sure to come back later, because (verbatim) =20
    "Lobert Trip (yes TRIP!) was playing later in the store."  HAR!


    But, I still would have loved even more to have experienced this in =
a pizza parlor!    Pizza + beer + FRIPPERTRONICS, LIVE!   Ahhhh!=20


    -Rev. Fever


    On May 1, 2007, at 7:02 PM, Paul Richards wrote:


      I saw him at a Peach's Records in Ft. Lauderdale sometime around =
1979. The place was so crowded, folks were standing on the record bins =
and filching records. Peach's was unable to maintain order. Great fun!=20

      Rev Fever  wrote:=20
        Fripp did a Frippertronics "tour" in the VERY early 80's where =
he=20
        played places like record stores ( I saw it at the long gone now =

        Peaches Records in Dallas,TX)
        and I think(?) even places like a pizza parlor, but that could =
have=20
        also been a rumor way back then. (OR...?)

        Rev. Fever

        On May 1, 2007, at 5:50 PM, L.A. Angulo wrote:

        > didnt Robert Fripp busk at a shopping center with his
        > revox loops at one point?
        >
        > --- Paul Richards wrote:
        >
        >> (About a block later a woman passed by me and said,
        >> 'that was really lovely
        >> what you played...')
        >>
        >> Can you met chicks that way? If so, I may start=20
        >> busking myself!
        >>
        >> Paul Richards
        >>
        >> ---- David Gans wrote:
        >>> At 11:14 AM -0400 4/9/07, Jim Goodin wrote:
        >>>
        >>>> Most times the experience is more about doing it=20
        >> than income
        >>>
        >>> I agree. That's why I play the Farmers' Market
        >> near my home, which
        >>> is a scheduled gig but pretty much the same as
        >> busking because almost=20
        >>> no one is there to hear me play. (I do have a few
        >> fans who show up
        >>> when they know I'm going to be there, but still.)
        >>>
        >>>
        >>>> however I have had a few nice things over the=20
        >> years. A few years
        >>>> ago a guy was watching me and appeared to be
        >> sketching. He put a
        >>>> caricture and a note down in my case to call him
        >> if I played=20
        >>>> weddings so that led to a booking. Have sold a
        >> few CD's and got a
        >>>> few bucks. One neat personal experienced
        >> happened one evening. I
        >>>> had quit and was walking out of the subway in=20
        >> Brooklyn. About a
        >>>> block later a woman passed by me and said, 'that
        >> was really lovely
        >>>> what you played...' Though those don't pay the
        >> rent in a sense=20
        >>>> that's why we do it...
        >>>
        >>> Nice stories.
        >>>
        >>>
        >>>
        >>> --=20
        >>>
        >>> David Gans - david@trufun.com or david@gdhour.com
        >>> Truth and Fun, Inc., 484 Lake Park Ave. #102,
        >> Oakland CA 94610-2730=20
        >>> Blog: http://logblog.gdhour.com
        >>> Web site: http://www.dgans.com
        >>>
        >>
        >>
        >
        >
        > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom=20
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I have a trio of mp3's from the London Palladium in =
1974 of=20
the "No Pussyfooting" period.  Arrr, Shiver me =
timbers!


  From:=20
  Michael =
Billow=20
Those were the days... Does anyone have any video of the = Frippertronics=20 tour, or any of the rare Fripp/Eno live jams?

On 5/1/07, Rev=20 Fever <=20 revfever@ubergadget.com> wrote:
Heh!   Funny indeed.

A couple more humorous details on my Fripp / Peaches / Dallas=20 experience:

Fripp gave some brief talk about the evils of=20 live-concerts-recordings-piracy before performing, and then moments = after he=20 finished playing,
from out in the crowd which was quite large for the store, the = sound of=20 a squawky little recording (as done on a small portable=20 cassette) 
was suddenly heard of some of what he he had just played, and = he=20 stopped was else he was saying at the moment and said something = along the=20 lines of:
"Young man, I will take that recording you just made!" , or = something=20 to that effect, and some guy sheepishly came out of the crowd and=20 "surrendered" the "pirate" cassette.

It all seemed REAL STAGED and phony as hell, and some of us = just looked=20 around at each other and rolled our eyes, since it seemed like a = phony=20 "incident", 
but one that seemed as if it was completely serious. (or=20 "serious").  But who knows? Maybe it was some joke on all = of=20 us?  Regardless, it added to the over all "experience" = haha.=20

The other funny thing I  recall was that, earlier in the = day, I=20 came into Peaches to make sure that it was not some rumor that he = was going=20 to play there,
and a girl behind the counter, who could not pronounce her "Rs" = very=20 well, told me to be sure to come back later, because = (verbatim) 
"Lobert Trip (yes TRIP!) was playing later in the store."  = HAR!

But, I still would have loved even more to have experienced = this in a=20 pizza parlor!    Pizza + beer + FRIPPERTRONICS, = LIVE! =20  Ahhhh!

-Rev. Fever

On May 1, 2007, at 7:02 PM, Paul Richards wrote:

I saw him at a Peach's Records in Ft. = Lauderdale=20 sometime around 1979. The place was so crowded, folks were = standing on the=20 record bins and filching records. Peach's was unable to maintain = order.=20 Great fun!

Rev Fever <revfever@ubergadget.com> wrote:=20 Fripp=20 did a Frippertronics "tour" in the VERY early 80's where he =
played=20 places like record stores ( I saw it at the long gone now =
Peaches=20 Records in Dallas,TX)
and I think(?) even places like a pizza = parlor,=20 but that could have
also been a rumor way back then.=20 (OR...?)

Rev. Fever

On May 1, 2007, at 5:50 PM, = L.A.=20 Angulo wrote:

> didnt Robert Fripp busk at a shopping = center=20 with his
> revox loops at one point?
>
> --- = Paul=20 Richards wrote:
>
>> (About a block later a woman = passed=20 by me and said,
>> 'that was really lovely
>> = what you=20 played...')
>>
>> Can you met chicks that way? = If so,=20 I may start
>> busking myself!
>>
>> = Paul=20 Richards
>>
>> ---- David Gans = wrote:
>>>=20 At 11:14 AM -0400 4/9/07, Jim Goodin=20 wrote:
>>>
>>>> Most times the = experience is=20 more about doing it
>> than=20 income
>>>
>>> I agree. That's why I = play the=20 Farmers' Market
>> near my home, which
>>> = is a=20 scheduled gig but pretty much the same as
>> busking = because=20 almost
>>> no one is there to hear me play. (I do = have a=20 few
>> fans who show up
>>> when they know = I'm=20 going to be there, but=20 still.)
>>>
>>>
>>>> = however I=20 have had a few nice things over the
>> years. A few=20 years
>>>> ago a guy was watching me and appeared = to=20 be
>> sketching. He put a
>>>> caricture = and a=20 note down in my case to call him
>> if I played=20
>>>> weddings so that led to a booking. Have = sold=20 a
>> few CD's and got a
>>>> few bucks. = One neat=20 personal experienced
>> happened one evening.=20 I
>>>> had quit and was walking out of the subway = in=20
>> Brooklyn. About a
>>>> block later a = woman=20 passed by me and said, 'that
>> was really=20 lovely
>>>> what you played...' Though those = don't pay=20 the
>> rent in a sense
>>>> that's why = we do=20 it...
>>>
>>> Nice=20 = stories.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> = --
>>>
>>> David Gans - david@trufun.com or david@gdhour.com
>>> Truth and = Fun, Inc.,=20 484 Lake Park Ave. #102,
>> Oakland CA 94610-2730=20
>>> Blog: http://logblog.gdhour.com
>>> = Web site: http://www.dgans.com
>>>
>>
&= gt;>
>
>
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>
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I saw him last spring at the Ventura New Music Festival (organized by our own Jeff Kaiser) in The Wayne Peet Trio: Wayne Peet, organ, compositions; Nels Cline, electric guitar; Russell Bizzett, drums. As much as I enjoy his recorded stuff, he's much more impressive live than on any of his CDs. And, yes, he loops like a son-of-a-gun (though not all of the time) -- been doing it for years with an original EH 16-second delay. Earlier, I had seen him play many many times too. He (Nels) used to organize the "New Music Mondays" down at the old Alligator Lounge in Santa Monica, California during the early '90s. Great place, but I'm pretty sure it's no longer there though. His trio was always the closing act (going on stage about midnight or so) at these gigs. I saw him there several times. I've also played there myself. So has Jeff Kaiser (I think). Nels is a great guy too if you have a chance to meet him. Best regards, Ted Killian On May 2, 2007, at 2:13 AM, Per Boysen wrote: > Anyone been to gigs with him? --Apple-Mail-1-96394302 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=US-ASCII 0000,0000,0000Per, Yep. I saw him last spring at the Ventura New Music Festival (organized by our own Jeff Kaiser) in The Wayne Peet Trio: Wayne Peet, organ, compositions; Nels Cline, electric guitar; Russell Bizzett, drums. As much as I enjoy his recorded stuff, he's much more impressive live than on any of his CDs. And, yes, he loops like a son-of-a-gun (though not all of the time) -- been doing it for years with an original EH 16-second delay. Earlier, I had seen him play many many times too. He (Nels) used to organize the "New Music Mondays" down at the old Alligator Lounge in Santa Monica, California during the early '90s. Great place, but I'm pretty sure it's no longer there though. His trio was always the closing act (going on stage about midnight or so) at these gigs. I saw him there several times. I've also played there myself. So has Jeff Kaiser (I think). Nels is a great guy too if you have a chance to meet him. Best regards, Ted Killian On May 2, 2007, at 2:13 AM, Per Boysen wrote: Anyone been to gigs with him? --Apple-Mail-1-96394302-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 2 14:39:27 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CE6313BEB2; Wed, 2 May 2007 14:39:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "Andrew Koenig" To: References: In-Reply-To: Subject: RE: amp - long cable - speaker = hum/noise? Date: Wed, 2 May 2007 10:39:31 -0400 Message-ID: <004501c78cc7$b29d9200$17d8b600$@org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: AceMRCpg6ZP8Khu9SU2GINArA3JF8wAg24lQ Content-Language: en-us Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69939 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 2 May 2007 14:39:27 +0000 (UTC) > he complaints about the long cables on this equation: > > amp - long cable - speaker = noise+hum ? > > he asked if inserting some kind of inject box between the amp and the > speaker will solve the problem. I would be very surprised if a cable between a speaker and an amplifier could pick up significant hum. I'd suggest proving that that is what is happening before looking for the cause. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 2 14:53:18 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 194593BECC; Wed, 2 May 2007 14:53:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=LCAuFPskzHw9S3BrK/g2s+XhcJNt52hpiW/LI5NbgKA00ahAjAU50Dx7EwRTTvL8Aroo95w79MIIHWTLoL1Pp+J8UnqrtL3e8u0BGuRC9WCtM4VqQnuLGLHBGCTssgTHEUF7by5czNKG4+mD3UhjLNGeL1VqsBVKhwXGj0A+5u8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=V59azzttCnIcWBV00qFlI/J5giuiXaxCgLq7ybL+K9o2wc2UXvjK15+E/wDM+CpJgAAmF7pk+7txE1rSV08YAoid/b0CHqBLtIbwZFtXCyLcWMwJLiuSFdQU2k7sAMA04IF0LxJqAvAKNsevEuYLmUdpr5Q+sHKBQiwzYpkwAfw= Message-ID: <588ce11d0705020753ic911cd6w1f86927b66b9dc6d@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 2 May 2007 07:53:09 -0700 From: "Art Simon" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Nels Cline, guitarist occasionally looping In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <40A153CA-BE89-4F10-9998-2CD849CCE1F0@steve-lawson.co.uk> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69940 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 2 May 2007 14:53:18 +0000 (UTC) Per--any suggestions for which albums are your favorites? I love that his instrumental group is called "the Nels Cline singers." : ) -- Art Simon simart@null.net http://art.simon.tripod.com http://www.myspace.com/artsimon From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 2 15:19:30 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8F1DF3BEC2; Wed, 2 May 2007 15:19:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=BKDikSQMAa0QUKSDqnadFDxg2XzpOVjVnEexuWHrX7MX+evqvyuSiBqMpWiu0fzSWPVO1aILHA2QqdgfGzeNhCs5OWqgQLz10qJhbsz4OnBqpPp3n9K5sTSGK/TkxHQHB4XVCuPEObVd4/mFIpgb1JU3TPmFsI6zIZ0BurUvuM0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=pS8CxZ6HtsgRMlwuR1qp3UI7udxcu7qJxr8wRXVoGX4sNlg3poMbXXjm+dSwDhinqQ1/sdf7EBE+SCzR3/PVzFo90+f0u5r2b/t9PKSkINL+9Y0BHm9z3i2BqLwu80TZ53GmI2XvHJjDLvME2t8Qcxz/5Amw/hBs2mAtV5fQz10= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <588ce11d0705020753ic911cd6w1f86927b66b9dc6d@mail.gmail.com> References: <40A153CA-BE89-4F10-9998-2CD849CCE1F0@steve-lawson.co.uk> <588ce11d0705020753ic911cd6w1f86927b66b9dc6d@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <69292CAB-0159-42DF-AAA4-DD3E464D8E02@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Nels Cline, guitarist occasionally looping Date: Wed, 2 May 2007 17:19:23 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: <2Gphh.A.OEH.CwKOGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69941 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 2 May 2007 15:19:30 +0000 (UTC) On 2 maj 2007, at 16.53, Art Simon wrote: > Per--any suggestions for which albums are your favorites? I love that > his instrumental group is called "the Nels Cline singers." : ) Yes, that's my fav as well :-) As well as Nels Cline & Vinny Golia - The Entire Time (2004) Per From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 2 15:36:55 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7AAB73BED3; Wed, 2 May 2007 15:36:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4638AFE9.3050807@mhorse.com> Date: Wed, 02 May 2007 10:36:09 -0500 From: Daryl Shawn User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.10 (Windows/20070221) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Nels Cline, guitarist occasionally looping References: <40A153CA-BE89-4F10-9998-2CD849CCE1F0@steve-lawson.co.uk> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69942 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 2 May 2007 15:36:55 +0000 (UTC) I'm rather a devotee of the man, I've seen him play live numerous times and always leave amazed. Wilco has a live album called "Kicking Television" where they do, indeed, stretch out a bit more. Nels plays great stuff on it, not doing very much looping, but you can always pick him out in skronky rhythm parts or a couple of great solos. The first Singers album - "Instrumentals" - is fantastic, a bit more indie-rock influenced than their second, "the Giant Pin", which is a tad more free-jazz influenced. They have two new albums coming out - including one that's fully improvised - in the next month or so. If you're into droney stuff, he's done several records with a bassist named Devin Sarno. Their cd's contain some of the most beautiful music I've ever heard, no kidding. And for a real spazzy jazzy freakout, he and drummer Gregg Bendian famously recorded a version of Coltrane's entire "Interstellar Space", plus a lovely version of "Lonnie's Lament" at the end. I could go on... Daryl Shawn www.swanwelder.com www.chinapaintingmusic.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 2 17:37:42 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 603623BEB8; Wed, 2 May 2007 17:37:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4638DAD2.5040903@imt.net> Date: Wed, 02 May 2007 11:39:14 -0700 From: Bob Weigel User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ark@acm.org Cc: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: amp - long cable - speaker = hum/noise? References: <004501c78cc7$b29d9200$17d8b600$@org> In-Reply-To: <004501c78cc7$b29d9200$17d8b600$@org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69943 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 2 May 2007 17:37:42 +0000 (UTC) HEhe..Yeah unless you are dealing with a powered speaker here as is often the case these days..then the long cable especially if not good quality would come into play maybe. Many of these have balanced cable inputs and if people use an adapter on one end and imbalance it that way of course that will lessen noise immunity. If it's *really* a speaker cable though, and a non-powered speaker it's hooked to..simply unhook the amp from the cable and let the cable hang in the air. Do you still hear the hoise? If so..you are probably in an environment which is causing you bodily damage. RUN! :-) -Bob Andrew Koenig wrote: >>he complaints about the long cables on this equation: >> >>amp - long cable - speaker = noise+hum ? >> >>he asked if inserting some kind of inject box between the amp and the >>speaker will solve the problem. >> >> > >I would be very surprised if a cable between a speaker and an amplifier >could pick up significant hum. I'd suggest proving that that is what is >happening before looking for the cause. > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 2 18:30:48 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 504573BEB2; Wed, 2 May 2007 18:30:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4638D869.704@speakeasy.net> Date: Wed, 02 May 2007 11:28:57 -0700 From: Dennis Montgomery User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.1) Gecko/20040707 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: Busking--it's hard for everyone (Fripp) References: <20070502041946.5603C3BEAC@arsenic.violacea.com> In-Reply-To: <20070502041946.5603C3BEAC@arsenic.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <4dWgCD.A.FCB.XjNOGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69944 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 2 May 2007 18:30:48 +0000 (UTC) I saw him at Tower Records in San Jose sometime in July '79. Some things I recall, someone asked him to autograph their Chapman Stick and he refused. Someone gave him some picks to try and then asked if he ever plays fingerstyle. He said no and proceeded to flatpick the middle section from Fracture...you could tell the guitar players in the crowd by the way their jaws hit the floor. I asked him if it was dangerous working with Jamie Muir so he told the stories about Jamie swinging chains and spitting blood etc...Later when I was getting my copy of 'Exposure' signed, I told Fripp that I was a bass player & my friend (who was with me in line) was a drummer and that if he wasn't doing anything the next few hours that our practice place was just a couple miles away...He politely turned me down, but I just had to ask! Dennis > > On 1-May-07, at 8:55 PM, Rev Fever wrote: > >> Fripp did a Frippertronics "tour" in the VERY early 80's where he >> played places like record stores ( I saw it at the long gone now >> Peaches Records in Dallas,TX) >> and I think(?) even places like a pizza parlor, but that could have >> also been a rumor way back then. (OR...?) >> >> Rev. 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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 2 18:47:04 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 04B1C3BEAF; Wed, 2 May 2007 18:47:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <50326.72.160.5.155.1178131612.squirrel@webmail.peak.org> In-Reply-To: <4638AFE9.3050807@mhorse.com> References: <40A153CA-BE89-4F10-9998-2CD849CCE1F0@steve-lawson.co.uk> <4638AFE9.3050807@mhorse.com> Date: Wed, 2 May 2007 11:46:52 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: Nels Cline, guitarist occasionally looping From: improv@peak.org To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-smtp-out.server.peak.org-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-smtp-out.server.peak.org-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-smtp-out.server.peak.org-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (not cached, score=-3.438, required 6, autolearn=not spam, ALL_TRUSTED -1.80, BAYES_00 -2.60, NO_REAL_NAME 0.96) X-smtp-out.server.peak.org-MailScanner-From: improv@peak.org X-Spam-Status: No X-Spam-Score: 1.116 (*) NO_REAL_NAME,PRIORITY_NO_NAME X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.39 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69946 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 2 May 2007 18:47:04 +0000 (UTC) I've been a huge fan of Cline since the early 90's, I saw him with the Vinny Golia Quintet and was hooded. Later did a few shows in Oregon opening for his trio, and have seen him numerous times since, the last was in a duo show with Wilco drummner Glenn Kotche. I did a review for this list, I think, check the archives. Both of the Nels Cline Singers albums are awesome, probably the best showcase for his stuff, IMHO. His recent album "New Monastary", which is arrangements of tunes by pianost Andrew Hill for an octet is very cool as well, more on the avant-jazz end of things. I'm not really a Wilco fan, but I appreciate what he brings to the band. Cline is one of the greats! > I'm rather a devotee of the man, I've seen him play live numerous times > and always leave amazed. Wilco has a live album called "Kicking > Television" where they do, indeed, stretch out a bit more. Nels plays > great stuff on it, not doing very much looping, but you can always pick > him out in skronky rhythm parts or a couple of great solos. > > The first Singers album - "Instrumentals" - is fantastic, a bit more > indie-rock influenced than their second, "the Giant Pin", which is a tad > more free-jazz influenced. They have two new albums coming out - > including one that's fully improvised - in the next month or so. > > If you're into droney stuff, he's done several records with a bassist > named Devin Sarno. Their cd's contain some of the most beautiful music > I've ever heard, no kidding. > > And for a real spazzy jazzy freakout, he and drummer Gregg Bendian > famously recorded a version of Coltrane's entire "Interstellar Space", > plus a lovely version of "Lonnie's Lament" at the end. > > I could go on... > > Daryl Shawn > www.swanwelder.com > www.chinapaintingmusic.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 2 18:49:49 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 77D6D3BECA; Wed, 2 May 2007 18:49:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4638DD48.6030203@mhorse.com> Date: Wed, 02 May 2007 13:49:44 -0500 From: Daryl Shawn User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.10 (Windows/20070221) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Nels Cline, guitarist occasionally looping References: <40A153CA-BE89-4F10-9998-2CD849CCE1F0@steve-lawson.co.uk> <4638AFE9.3050807@mhorse.com> <50326.72.160.5.155.1178131612.squirrel@webmail.peak.org> In-Reply-To: <50326.72.160.5.155.1178131612.squirrel@webmail.peak.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <0ST_tD.A.xbC.M1NOGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69947 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 2 May 2007 18:49:49 +0000 (UTC) So you didn't actually SEE him, huh? :-D > I've been a huge fan of Cline since the early 90's, I saw him with the > Vinny Golia Quintet and was hooded. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 2 18:56:28 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DB3CB3BEDF; Wed, 2 May 2007 18:56:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <001a01c78ceb$940e0b20$0207a8c0@eluk1> From: "Stephen Goodman" To: References: <20070502041946.5603C3BEAC@arsenic.violacea.com> <4638D869.704@speakeasy.net> Subject: Re: OT: Busking--it's hard for everyone (Fripp) Date: Wed, 2 May 2007 19:56:21 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69948 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 2 May 2007 18:56:28 +0000 (UTC) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dennis Montgomery" To: Sent: Wednesday, 2 May, 2007 19:28 PM Subject: Re: OT: Busking--it's hard for everyone (Fripp) >I saw him at Tower Records in San Jose sometime in July '79. Some > things I recall, someone asked him to autograph their Chapman Stick and > he refused. Someone gave him some picks to try and then asked if he > ever plays fingerstyle. He said no and proceeded to flatpick the middle > section from Fracture...you could tell the guitar players in the crowd > by the way their jaws hit the floor. I asked him if it was dangerous > working with Jamie Muir so he told the stories about Jamie swinging > chains and spitting blood etc...Later when I was getting my copy of > 'Exposure' signed, I told Fripp that I was a bass player & my friend > (who was with me in line) was a drummer and that if he wasn't doing > anything the next few hours that our practice place was just a couple > miles away...He politely turned me down, but I just had to ask! I'll bet he was fairly graceous about it, huh? > Dennis > >> >> On 1-May-07, at 8:55 PM, Rev Fever wrote: >> >>> Fripp did a Frippertronics "tour" in the VERY early 80's where he >>> played places like record stores ( I saw it at the long gone now >>> Peaches Records in Dallas,TX) >>> and I think(?) even places like a pizza parlor, but that could have >>> also been a rumor way back then. (OR...?) >>> >>> Rev. Fever >>> > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 2 19:56:30 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1F8983BECF; Wed, 2 May 2007 19:56:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [4.246.45.162] X-Originating-Email: [sambacomet@hotmail.com] X-Sender: sambacomet@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <20070502110902.698FC3BED3@arsenic.violacea.com> From: "samba -" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Foot timing Date: Wed, 02 May 2007 12:56:22 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 May 2007 19:56:27.0319 (UTC) FILETIME=[F83F5470:01C78CF3] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69949 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 2 May 2007 19:56:30 +0000 (UTC) The problem of anticipation is, perhaps, the most common problem for rhythm students. One can focus on counting the spaces as well as the down beats,1e + a 2e + a etc,and practice entering on each of the subdivisions. Slower tempos are harder. In several ways it's harder to play slow than fast. Empty space can be the most difficult element in music(and in shooting pool,maybe in life in general.) Another thing that can help is examining the actual foot technique- is it stable, Is the heel on or off the ground ,is the motion throwing the rest of the body off balance,such to throw timing? Also how long does it take the pedal action to work It's necessary for the action to complete on the beat ,which may mean it has to start slightly before. This is why some people play shakers or tamborines off time ,they aren't thinking about the travel time for the moving parts,another empty space issue. _________________________________________________________________ Watch free concerts with Pink, Rod Stewart, Oasis and more. Visit MSN In Concert today. http://music.msn.com/presents?icid=ncmsnpresentstagline From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 2 19:59:23 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 55A9A3BECD; Wed, 2 May 2007 19:59:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=IvQlMd6z14eXIlJxKTjGzLk+hil1sD5zWkUXq7bBqrA11sBoaEX3txntTcZtb1x9; h=Received:Reply-To:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:X-Mailer:In-Reply-To:X-MimeOLE:Thread-Index:Message-ID:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Reply-To: From: "Tom Heasley" To: Subject: RE: Nels Cline, guitarist occasionally looping Date: Wed, 2 May 2007 12:59:19 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0000_01C78CB9.B33D83E0" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Thread-Index: AceMxcXmqyhifnKbTdKHV0RI/ImtegALTCYg Message-ID: X-ELNK-Trace: a45d7fbcd5996e0dec0773e6e8d709339ef193a6bfc3dd48f68a1b5d148f33a55037306e763bbfa993caf27dac41a8fd350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 76.169.66.204 Resent-Message-ID: <9NnqpB.A.WKG.a2OOGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69950 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 2 May 2007 19:59:23 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0000_01C78CB9.B33D83E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yeah, They had a nice run at the Alligator Lounge. By the time I was hip to it, living in the Bay Area at the time, G.E. Stinson had taken over booking the joint. Unfortunately, I think attendance went way down once Nels stopped playing the last sets of the evening. Not long after I played there with Bobby Bradford and Ken Rosser (fine looping guitarist), they had to move to another venue, which only lasted a short time, then Monday nights were gone... Nels and I were band mates in Charlie Haden's Liberation Orchestra back in '83-'84, and had played on a Vinny Golia septet gig around that time as well. I packed up my car and headed for NYC in January of '85 in the hope of doing such music full-time (and of course, that's when the LMO West Coast Unit actually became busy!). If you ever get a gig like that, don't give it up is all I can say - even if they are only playing once every few months... Best, TH ************************************* Tom Heasley tom@tomheasley.com www.tomheasley.com www.myspace.com/tomheasley _____ From: tEd R kiLLiAn [mailto:tedkillian@charter.net] Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2007 8:26 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Nels Cline, guitarist occasionally looping Per, Earlier, I had seen him play many many times too. He (Nels) used to organize the "New Music Mondays" down at the old Alligator Lounge in Santa Monica, California during the early '90s. Great place, but I'm pretty sure it's no longer there though. His trio was always the closing act (going on stage about midnight or so) at these gigs. I saw him there several times. I've also played there myself. So has Jeff Kaiser (I think). On May 2, 2007, at 2:13 AM, Per Boysen wrote: Anyone been to gigs with him? ------=_NextPart_000_0000_01C78CB9.B33D83E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ------=_NextPart_000_0000_01C78CB9.B33D83E0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 2 20:16:25 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F29673BEC2; Wed, 2 May 2007 20:16:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Wed, 2 May 2007 14:16:23 -0600 Message-Id: <200705022016.l42KGNhq002966@minds-eye.org> From: "Kevin Cheli-Colando" To: "Loop" Reply-To: kevin@minds-eye.org Subject: New music posted X-Mailer: NeoMail 1.25 X-IPAddress: 137.150.33.94 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69951 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 2 May 2007 20:16:24 +0000 (UTC) Hello, Rather than ask another useless question (which I am afraid I have done far too often), I offer you a sample of some recent music. http://www.minds-eye.org/amazingfeats/ The link to Saturday the 28th is an excerpted piece of heavily processed and looped solo electric guitar from last weekend. I hope someone enjoys listening to it as much (or nearly) as I enjoyed making it. Kevin -- Till now you seriously considered yourself to be the body and to have a form. That is the primal ignorance which is the root cause of all trouble. - Ramana Maharshi (1879-1950) Sound and Vision: http://www.minds-eye.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 2 20:19:41 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 81E213BECD; Wed, 2 May 2007 20:19:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Wed, 2 May 2007 14:19:40 -0600 Message-Id: <200705022019.l42KJeu2005315@minds-eye.org> From: "Kevin Cheli-Colando" To: "Loop" Reply-To: kevin@minds-eye.org Subject: New music posted X-Mailer: NeoMail 1.25 X-IPAddress: 137.150.33.94 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69952 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 2 May 2007 20:19:41 +0000 (UTC) Hello, Rather than ask another useless question (which I am afraid I have done far too often), I offer you a sample of some recent music. http://www.minds-eye.org/amazingfeats/ The link to Saturday the 28th is an excerpted piece of heavily processed and looped solo electric guitar from last weekend. I hope someone enjoys listening to it as much (or nearly) as I enjoyed making it. Kevin -- Till now you seriously considered yourself to be the body and to have a form. That is the primal ignorance which is the root cause of all trouble. - Ramana Maharshi (1879-1950) Sound and Vision: http://www.minds-eye.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 2 20:36:20 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 33ED33BEE1; Wed, 2 May 2007 20:36:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <003901c78cf9$aa822630$17b2a8c0@netzrechner> Reply-To: "Tilmann Dehnhard" From: "Tilmann Dehnhard" To: References: Subject: Re: Foot timing Date: Wed, 2 May 2007 22:37:11 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX18TcXEPcfYbpos8/1vbbDUWzkjHO7ek7R07Eex jdr2dOnLpipJyyDfWdN9C718LSpaVSetn4gwDAn5BKhWIia7LX vMGzJ5T+PEUGdYuARGWGWmIvnbVFiic Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69953 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 2 May 2007 20:36:20 +0000 (UTC) it may help to imagine that footstep as a part of the piece, like a drum beat to be played with the foot. dancing around and incorporating that step into the groove. i had an interesting expierience trying to loop on the last beat four of a four bar phrase. it was much harder to do than stepping on the big one, although that particular beat four was a pause... my timing got better by stepping with verve, stomping hard down on that mother. it was loud, so when i heard these stomps in the loop, i practiced stomping rhythmically precise but soft. well, all you loopers out there will know what it means to have to listen to a badly closed loop until your piece is over... smooth looping to everybody! tilmann ----- Original Message ----- From: "samba -" To: Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2007 9:56 PM Subject: Foot timing > > The problem of anticipation is, perhaps, the most common problem for > rhythm students. One can focus on counting the spaces as well as the down > beats,1e + a 2e + a etc,and practice entering on each of the subdivisions. > Slower tempos are harder. In several ways it's harder to play slow than > fast. Empty space can be the most difficult element in music(and in > shooting pool,maybe in life in general.) > Another thing that can help is examining the actual foot technique- is it > stable, Is the heel on or off the ground ,is the motion throwing the rest > of the body off balance,such to throw timing? Also how long does it take > the pedal action to work It's necessary for the action to complete on the > beat ,which may mean it has to start slightly before. This is why some > people play shakers or tamborines off time ,they aren't thinking about the > travel time for the moving parts,another empty space issue. > > _________________________________________________________________ > Watch free concerts with Pink, Rod Stewart, Oasis and more. Visit MSN In > Concert today. http://music.msn.com/presents?icid=ncmsnpresentstagline > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 2 22:06:49 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9CF4E3BED0; Wed, 2 May 2007 22:06:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Antivirus-MYDOMAIN-Mail-From: siobahn@nxivm.com via mail.nxivm.net X-Antivirus-MYDOMAIN: 1.25-st-qms (Clear:RC:1(127.0.0.1):. Processed in 0.036998 secs Process 671) Message-ID: <47026.154.20.164.125.1178143608.squirrel@mail.nxivm.net> Date: Wed, 2 May 2007 18:06:48 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Newbie Question From: "Siobahn Hotaling" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: siobahn@nxivm.com User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.8 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69954 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 2 May 2007 22:06:49 +0000 (UTC) Hi there, I've perused the archives quite a bit but I thought I'd also try to pick anyone's brain who has any ideas for me.... I'm looking to do some live looping performances using the following instruments: vocals, digital piano(via MIDI), and guitar, as well as some pre-created drum loops from my MacBook Pro, and to be able to record and cue each track n-the-fly (i.e. record, store, turn on-and-off) using a foot pedal of some kind. I understand that Ableton Live is a good software-based solution, and that things like the JamMan or the RC-20xl are good hardware looping pedals, but can someone maybe paint a picture of how all of these things could interface together? And would I need any other equipment (external mixing board, etc)??? Any suggestions at all would be really, really appreciated. I want to get started ASAP and I could use some direction! Thanks, Siobahn Hotaling From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 2 23:36:21 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 559BA3BECD; Wed, 2 May 2007 23:36:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: References: <40A153CA-BE89-4F10-9998-2CD849CCE1F0@steve-lawson.co.uk> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-5-125795920 Message-Id: From: Ronan Chris Murphy Subject: Re: Nels Cline, guitarist occasionally looping Date: Wed, 2 May 2007 16:36:15 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69955 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 2 May 2007 23:36:21 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-5-125795920 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed I just produced an new album with Nels Cline and GE Stinson. Its a duet album that is primarily looping. Its really cool. Very ugly and beautiful at the same time. Not sure when it will get released yet. Pro Sound News has a little write up about it: http://prosoundnews.com/articles/article_5219.shtml Ronan Chris Murphy www.venetowest.com (Production & mixing: King Crimson, Chucho Valdes, Steve Morse, Terry Bozzio, CGT...) www.homerecordingbootcamp.com (Workshops around the world teaching the art and craft of recording ) http://www.myspace.com/venetowestrecords On May 2, 2007, at 2:13 AM, Per Boysen wrote: > Hi Loopers, > > I have been listening to stuff by Nels Cline lately and really > enjoy it! I kind of "missed the train" regarding Wilco, thinking > they were " just a country influenced band that mocked up their > songs to sound like other already existing songs". How stupid of me > - I know better now after listening to two Wilco albums on a > row :-)) But the avantgarde stuff Nels is doing on his own, or in > different collaborations, is really my bag. Amazing stuff! Anyone > been to gigs with him? What's it like? And when Wilco plays live, > do they act and stretch out more, musically speaking, compared to > the records? > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > www.looproom.com (international) > http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) > http://tinyurl.com/2kek7h (CC donationware music releases) > > > --Apple-Mail-5-125795920 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1
I just produced an new = album with Nels Cline and GE Stinson. Its a duet album that is = primarily=A0 looping. Its really cool. Very ugly and beautiful at the = same time. Not sure when it will get released yet. Pro Sound News has a = little write up about it:



Ronan Chris Murphy

www.venetowest.com = (Production & mixing: King Crimson, Chucho Valdes, Steve Morse, = Terry Bozzio, CGT...)

www.homerecordingbootcamp.com (Workshops around the world = teaching the art and craft of recording )

http://www.myspace.com/v= enetowestrecords



=

On May 2, 2007, at 2:13 AM, Per Boysen = wrote:

Hi Loopers,

I have = been listening to stuff by Nels Cline lately and really enjoy it! I kind = of "missed the train" regarding Wilco, thinking they were " just a = country influenced band that mocked up their songs to sound like other = already existing songs". How stupid of me - I know better now after = listening to two Wilco albums on a row :-)) =A0 But the avantgarde stuff Nels = is doing on his own, or in different collaborations, is really my bag. = Amazing stuff! Anyone been to gigs with him? What's it like? And when = Wilco plays live, do they act and stretch out more, musically speaking, = compared to the records?

Greetings from Sweden

Per = Boysen
www.boysen.se = (Swedish)
www.looproom.com = (international)
http://tinyurl.com/2kek7h (CC = donationware music releases)



=

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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 3 00:06:44 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 62B1A3BED0; Thu, 3 May 2007 00:06:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=ov2Jbqe88OYcGx5E1rSebcEsUBVNhRiAxIlZWN1DYpqdt0YmddrcuyJ5ozqkFC5/Zr2krm7PI7PdLVkZ8q+WGaIk5P+dCqvMWCjGXC0h4BoxA/JYB9tbjSGE/o0lXt0OS88JGVSoFQ+HlLtW8xGdDr83j5JWB5yTpQtgnMK6CCU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=jrq7Vv6IJ2+V1Tn5o42mEbOjLBnThOlYOkvWNWgnshgg8J9BD3Uj3oxf1oo6ngj9+6lljHQuEXY9Xh4YgDG13NBw+dMwKUHLIeuk0TDjEzsHHBWeIzyjysB0clgQlmMUwne2jvFuNGUDdCh04ZF24lb9G06ekqwD1xCskj9oces= Message-ID: Date: Thu, 3 May 2007 02:06:39 +0200 From: "Raul Bonell" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: amp - long cable - speaker = hum/noise? In-Reply-To: <4cf76a0b0705011803o618f7e7dg2bcff5adafc66121@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <4cf76a0b0705011803o618f7e7dg2bcff5adafc66121@mail.gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: <2r3PR.A.H4E.TeSOGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69956 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 3 May 2007 00:06:44 +0000 (UTC) Thanks guys! I'm running to see my friend with all this 'eye opening' info. I'm a bit afraid each time I post OT messages to the list, but for me LD has become a kind of university,oracle. Hope this thread had been worthy for others as well. 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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 3 03:29:07 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 14A473BEC5; Thu, 3 May 2007 03:29:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=JiM5bNM7aHjQ07g94qdb/bOIjB2OYWWBaxI/sj6++18X5Sc9btArJ55pNbyUhrqZMLvKFjCWp5y9DpkHW3gXLva0h5DXhYPaT/j7TBKWpFcQFuytycFjAydUVOXlPlpZU9lS9cHrhcH/Q/3PMTzRF/IEG6UcBoeZ03QrKYVfUM4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=QOSBAjameGDa1b0qpO9rB0E28bReOy39oQtvdK4BgzYTYDkZNdcPFnL5hDNpkRxTPr4qby7SgdS76kfc60lZYDzc2PCmiUKiLf+3vuPCv9XE6VcsroBiA/gDhLlF2Ijhws9vJUVaARyqcw1LBEuIvkMsP4wtP9x2eUkoU0fk2P0= Message-ID: <588ce11d0705022029q196686f3v75781ca75fc9668c@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 2 May 2007 20:29:05 -0700 From: "Art Simon" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Nels Cline, guitarist occasionally looping In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <40A153CA-BE89-4F10-9998-2CD849CCE1F0@steve-lawson.co.uk> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69957 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 3 May 2007 03:29:07 +0000 (UTC) I just picked up "Interstellar Space Revisted: The Music of John Coltrane" Wow. A really great album. Thanks for the thread. simart@null.net http://art.simon.tripod.com http://www.myspace.com/artsimon From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 3 06:19:16 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E66463BEC7; Thu, 3 May 2007 06:19:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Qua Veda" To: Subject: VST folder Date: Wed, 2 May 2007 23:19:26 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 Thread-Index: AceNM9dmq6rj6qmATx+36G/Tv3YTYAAFpqUg X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 In-Reply-To: <588ce11d0705022029q196686f3v75781ca75fc9668c@mail.gmail.com> Message-Id: <200705022323531.SM05328@quahome> X-RBL-Warning: REVDNS: This E-mail was sent from a MUA/MTA 206.212.233.27 with no reverse DNS entry. X-Declude-Sender: qua@oregon.com [206.212.233.27] X-Declude-Spoolname: D7fe403be000009f7.smd X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude JunkMail (www.declude.com) for spam. Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69958 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 3 May 2007 06:19:15 +0000 (UTC) Using PC. Each time I install a VST, it puts the VST file in a different folder . Is it OK to create a folder under C:\Program Files, called "VST Folder", and then copy the .dll file from each VST into that folder? Would this totally hose things up? Or is OK to do this? Appreciate the help -Qua From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 3 06:44:31 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4E64D3BECC; Thu, 3 May 2007 06:44:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=j34+pm8YbfUgUgxCz770ZhVqUYB691opkvZkaYX5S7O1Oev1K1W3FTBkzXlEHZCibLBE9c/WrPJc9VMJOmq4MVq1k0jS5fEBJpa/kQhskp32SbOR0XHfMUFVUghTSN8oC0wItW38A80MzNaLN2Fzaybz5eoI2PX+OL00e2oi2Ek= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=UZe8w414bVLLf+oZN2KYAIJvjl+bLKB2A3TA8D3ZwtdSbRg+Jpck7WlYnBuo38CrVd2Wdcz7gCpirsFdvSu+/R7LJx2TiZ4Fo5Lz+qQHxgCnqrOGyJzZj3bw2YpycTxCrb7+/wmz5MibNta3l0ORud8hirgwUU9bE/opc0lmbxk= Message-ID: <66f9cc1e0705022344j1cea8a4bnf9532c3901d6f094@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 3 May 2007 08:44:28 +0200 From: "Per Boysen" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: VST folder In-Reply-To: <200705022323531.SM05328@quahome> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_25995_15396631.1178174668394" References: <588ce11d0705022029q196686f3v75781ca75fc9668c@mail.gmail.com> <200705022323531.SM05328@quahome> Resent-Message-ID: <6Qn3TC.A.3pE.OTYOGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69959 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 3 May 2007 06:44:31 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_25995_15396631.1178174668394 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline On 5/3/07, Qua Veda wrote: > > Using PC. Each time I install a VST, it puts the VST file in a different > folder . Is it OK to create a folder under C:\Program Files, called > "VST > Folder", and then copy the .dll file from each VST into that folder? > > Would this totally hose things up? Or is OK to do this? > > Appreciate the help > -Qua > That's how I do it on my Mobius laptop and it's working fine. I set it up that way after being aviced by Jeff, taht devlopes Mobius, but later on I have come to understand that it's not the usual way with all Windows application. The "normal" way seems to be to put the VST folder insie the "Programs" folder , not the "Program Files" folder. Because of this I need to manually move the Mobius dll file into that folder because so far the Mobius installators put it in the "Programs/VST" folder. Strange. Maybe I misunderstood this from the beginning, but it's too much work to change it now. Actually, VST dll files can live in different VST folders if you are using a VST host that can be manually directed to any folder to look for VST's. -- Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/2kek7h (latest music release) http://www.myspace.com/looproom ------=_Part_25995_15396631.1178174668394 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline On 5/3/07, Qua Veda <qua@oregon.com> wrote:

Using  PC.  Each time I install a VST, it puts the VST file in a different
folder .   Is it OK to create a folder under C:\Program Files,  called "VST
Folder", and then copy the .dll file from each VST into that folder?

Would this totally hose things up?  Or is OK to do this?

Appreciate the help
-Qua


That's how I do it on my Mobius laptop and it's working fine. I set it up that way after being aviced by Jeff, taht devlopes Mobius, but later on I have come to understand that it's not the usual way with all Windows application. The "normal" way seems to be to put the VST folder insie the "Programs" folder , not the "Program Files" folder. Because of this I need to manually move the Mobius dll file into that folder because so far the Mobius installators put it in the "Programs/VST" folder. Strange. Maybe I misunderstood this from the beginning, but it's too much work to change it now.

Actually, VST dll files can live in different VST folders if you are using a VST host that can be manually directed to any folder to look for VST's.

--
Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
www.boysen.se (Swedish)
www.looproom.com (international)
http://tinyurl.com/2kek7h (latest music release)
http://www.myspace.com/looproom ------=_Part_25995_15396631.1178174668394-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 3 07:17:40 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A4D5E3BEB9; Thu, 3 May 2007 07:17:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.fr; h=Received:X-YMail-OSG:Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=PIWvTPavqw8/1FdjZykaEDa15hYb8xijsszK+TvPbBFfCyHmO8YXfTQ2W8euf6MA6Iv+JW3qgMwGXCyDRJ6RuHVDula22i5hOC5+M8dwQtnXNra7RSfHrk56cB7+aAVE3PeaIRp+2hnYS0hY1QrO232YigZk7OVON4sO82Bg2ow= ; X-YMail-OSG: cVQ6N.kVM1kzlNmqx66va7YE8wo_slW4mncQDvw47c81LiVFUifLXiVPbm5I5BCfl933Bo562RHchk1B1vMCZJU9lZFndc74SNEZrFXm.TO13xZt Message-ID: <004e01c78d53$20cf7fa0$6402a8c0@PC576340162804> From: "Ben" To: References: Subject: Re: OT: Bjork uses the Reactable on tour Date: Thu, 3 May 2007 09:17:36 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69960 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 3 May 2007 07:17:40 +0000 (UTC) Can the Reactable be bought? Whats the price? I came accross this yesterday: http://www.percussa.com/ Ben. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Doug Wellington" To: Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2007 4:05 AM Subject: Re: OT: Bjork uses the Reactable on tour >> Ran across this yesterday and thought that I'd post since there was a >> brief discussion about the reactable some time back. > > Hey, no fair! I had one first! How come she gets all the press??? > Almost enough to make me want to stop using it now that any old lame > performer can have one... > > ;-) ;-) ;-) > > Doug > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 3 07:23:40 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 64E773BEC2; Thu, 3 May 2007 07:23:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Michael Peters" To: "Loopers Delight" References: <200705022016.l42KGNhq002966@minds-eye.org> Subject: RE: New music posted Date: Thu, 3 May 2007 09:23:01 +0200 Message-ID: <006901c78d53$e2273210$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <200705022016.l42KGNhq002966@minds-eye.org> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Thread-Index: AceNT7I4JmAjCfnWRcGYhv1u7GC3hwABAtRA Resent-Message-ID: <1H6KpB.A.PiG.83YOGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69961 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 3 May 2007 07:23:40 +0000 (UTC) > http://www.minds-eye.org/amazingfeats/ > heavily processed and looped solo electric guitar from last weekend very heavily processed :-) but interesting and I bet it was fun to make michael www.michaelpeters.de From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 3 07:25:48 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0B4043BEAF; Thu, 3 May 2007 07:25:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com In-Reply-To: <004e01c78d53$20cf7fa0$6402a8c0@PC576340162804> References: <004e01c78d53$20cf7fa0$6402a8c0@PC576340162804> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <62C015F3-8C05-4CD3-A3CC-478F44DE24DB@bernhardwagner.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Bernhard Wagner LD Subject: Re: OT: Bjork uses the Reactable on tour Date: Thu, 3 May 2007 09:25:39 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) Resent-Message-ID: <6h09HC.A.PuG.75YOGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69962 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 3 May 2007 07:25:48 +0000 (UTC) http://mtg.upf.es/reactable/?faq found via http://www.google.com/search?q=reactable Bernhard On 03.05.2007, at 09:17, Ben wrote: > Can the Reactable be bought? Whats the price? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 3 07:41:21 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 936F43BECC; Thu, 3 May 2007 07:41:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Thu, 3 May 2007 02:41:19 -0500 (CDT) From: smaug@servidor.unam.mx X-X-Sender: smaug@localhost.localdomain To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: FS:Oberheim Echoplex in Europe In-Reply-To: <588ce11d0705022029q196686f3v75781ca75fc9668c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: References: <40A153CA-BE89-4F10-9998-2CD849CCE1F0@steve-lawson.co.uk> <588ce11d0705022029q196686f3v75781ca75fc9668c@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69963 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 3 May 2007 07:41:21 +0000 (UTC) Hi, This time I'm going fully software (I'm keeping my repeater thought) for sale an OBERHEIM EDP, maxed memory, loop III,foot controlled ( a bit temperamental) asking 750 Euros. I'm Located in Paris, France. Thank you, Andy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 3 07:57:08 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 06F4D3BEB8; Thu, 3 May 2007 07:57:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <463995CE.3030204@mhorse.com> Date: Thu, 03 May 2007 02:57:02 -0500 From: Daryl Shawn User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.10 (Windows/20070221) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, kkissinger@kevinkissinger.com Subject: Kevin Kissinger review Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69964 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 3 May 2007 07:57:08 +0000 (UTC) I've posted a review of some of Kevin Kissinger's theremin music here: http://www.swanwelder.com/mutereactionary/Kevin_Kissinger.htm Not necessarily looping, but I understand some loopy stuff will be coming soon from him. I look forward to it. Daryl Shawn www.swanwelder.com www.chinapaintingmusic.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 3 08:34:38 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A10E93BEC7; Thu, 3 May 2007 08:34:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: AW: VST folder Date: Thu, 3 May 2007 10:34:50 +0200 Organization: Moinlabs Message-ID: <000301c78d5d$ea74b320$1001a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: AceNM9dmq6rj6qmATx+36G/Tv3YTYAAFpqUgAASvV+A= X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 In-Reply-To: <200705022323531.SM05328@quahome> X-RZG-AUTH: lUESeo99iNzPL8kuBgLYdKEqUywq9cxqeRA+BtFcSCD5deQ7OINKr1WM8Wo= X-RZG-CLASS-ID: mo07 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69965 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 3 May 2007 08:34:38 +0000 (UTC) > folder . Is it OK to create a folder under C:\Program > Files, called "VST > Folder", and then copy the .dll file from each VST into that > folder? This works well, and as a matter of fact, I do have several separate VST folders for different applications, 'cause when playing a live set with Ableton Live, chances are you won't need your Mastering EQ and whatnot. There are two caveats: * not all hosts can live with shortcuts in their VST folder. As an example, Ableton Live works well with this, and so I only have shortcuts in Live's VST folder to other locations where that plugin resides. That way, I won't need to copy'n'paste e.g. Mobius.dll everyime a new version comes out. Other hosts won't work with this. * some older plugins with a stupid copy-protection scheme won't work with the "copy/move it to another folder" route. The older Waldorf plugins (PPG Wave, Attack) come to mind here. But this shouldn't be a problem for any plugins without some copyprotection thingie built-in, and not so for newer stuff, either. Rainer From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 3 09:46:29 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 397923BECC; Thu, 3 May 2007 09:46:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=Yfcgb+eJ5rRmKRVRaXLtd1hiMU/a0o8CuLSObbFTg9LVMN1LKTbSnzqJSMDKgc+shx7AW2iS4GZGtQ8yusa9x02hJs3eZIBschJZlSHW5cM4knZsrdTvQV3oCJwbmhP4XZEEIHFsKX4/Ylwa3+qwJuYu223c4zw4R+fJYW1FZZQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=fG4Dg2t3cNyungmggUZ28SVkh4lNkRwbRPBUS19Q42sqCgaCuscBSu5ncNqLYnFx5WnF3p+sIqUtI6EFrZ05kl+X7Bo5RDW7lmoQGM4DDzJLVJqH4hdWsmp/Obz3pyHQpsLVbNrO99uxrSNHrHzpYPwRDixncZvX8FLFgU0pbwE= Message-ID: Date: Thu, 3 May 2007 11:46:27 +0200 From: "Raul Bonell" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: Bjork uses the Reactable on tour In-Reply-To: <62C015F3-8C05-4CD3-A3CC-478F44DE24DB@bernhardwagner.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <004e01c78d53$20cf7fa0$6402a8c0@PC576340162804> <62C015F3-8C05-4CD3-A3CC-478F44DE24DB@bernhardwagner.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69966 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 3 May 2007 09:46:29 +0000 (UTC) Found Ross Bencina, the Audiomulch creator in the interactive sonic system team. > http://mtg.upf.es/reactable/?faq > > found via > > http://www.google.com/search?q=reactable > > Bernhard -- The Playing Orchestra: http://www.telefonica.net/web2/tpo Chain Tape Collective: http://www.ct-collective.com TPO at myspace: http://www.myspace.com/theplayingorchestra From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 3 10:35:24 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4DB263BECC; Thu, 3 May 2007 10:35:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Thu, 03 May 2007 06:30:43 -0400 From: Bill Fox Subject: Listen to Afterglow and Galactic Travels To: undisclosed-recipients: ; Message-id: <4639B9D3.9050503@soundscapes.us> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.10 (Windows/20070221) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69967 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 3 May 2007 10:35:24 +0000 (UTC) AFTERGLOW ON WMUH: http://soundscapes.us/afterglow ======================================================================= Afterglow airs from 8:00 am to 9:30 am every Thursday morning. Tune in for a delightful mix of eclectic musical genres including a healthy dose of Progressive Rock. Tune in at 91.7 FM or on the internet at: http://muhlenberg.edu/wmuh I will play the music of bands playing on the 19th at the New Jersy Proghouse. GALACTIC TRAVELS ON WDIY: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt ======================================================================= Tonight at 11 pm on Galactic Travels, I'll begin a month-long Special Focus on Steve Roach who will be at the Gatherings on the 19th. The Featured CD at Midnight will be "Spirit Dome" by Steve Roach and Vidna Obmana on Projekt Records. The Vinyl Starter will be from the LP "Albedo 0.39" by Vangelis on RCA Records and released in 1976. For details, see the Special Focus page at: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2007/focus.html#may Galactic Travels is an electronic, ambient, and space music show that airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg, 93.7 FM in Fogelsville and Trexlertown, on the internet, and in High Definition Radio at 88.1 FM. ====================================================================== All times are EDT / GMT-4. Listen on-line to WDIY at http://wdiy.org and click LISTEN or go directly to: http://rm1.refugemedia.com/ramgen/encoder/wdiy.rm Listen on-line to WMUH at http://www.muhlenberg.edu/wmuh and click the REAL AUDIO link or go directly to: rtsp://helix.muhlenberg.edu:554/broadcast/live.rm From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 3 12:50:37 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B89033BEC2; Thu, 3 May 2007 12:50:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=XHYTDnA+/jciAeQZuM1gzcMDTyyCcUV7AnCpiFw57QLAJpotpkwDvb6TOMh2c2/A+Jesekh2DUhZayGw3m96P3/zSGsd7/479MCxwQZNWXMynaWbYq7B6cVo5xQEe06U+tvb+0n0i7N/pvNQqCaw9JXQTQ6nVkKmCkzo+L63Jmg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=ft1wM8dZDUzIiRjszvnhz38NyApaGBPb/BJWQbki0aE19nonLNEfXIhiJ54HJn4zKHltx53NmWpVjJNXM5TRn95NK/nHrSE2oKkbCMZcXOlMTPcBtNmq5qVHWbITlL8LdNGTuHqscndjA93/gzyxn5zg///FTuMsPWv7NzO2H4c= Message-ID: Date: Thu, 3 May 2007 05:50:33 -0700 From: "Doug Wellington" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: Bjork uses the Reactable on tour In-Reply-To: <004e01c78d53$20cf7fa0$6402a8c0@PC576340162804> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <004e01c78d53$20cf7fa0$6402a8c0@PC576340162804> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69968 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 3 May 2007 12:50:37 +0000 (UTC) > Can the Reactable be bought? No. At this point, it's strictly DIY. It's not too bad though - you need a computer with a camera and some kind of a sound generator that is compatible. Then you need some kind of surface and a bunch of objects to put on that surface. I think the usual plan is to have a piece of clear plexiglass with tracing paper on it. You print out the fiducials and stick them to the bottom of the objects, and put the camera under the plexiglass looking up at it. I've seen videos though where it looks like someone just pointed the camera down onto a table and put the fiducial cutouts face up on the table... The thing that's not available is the cool graphics that get projected back up onto the table as you manipulate the objects. It's very nice to look at, but not necessary to get it working... > I came accross this yesterday: > http://www.percussa.com/ Very interesting, but $799 for four cubes? Doug From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 3 13:03:13 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7D0CB3BEAB; Thu, 3 May 2007 13:03:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.fr; h=Received:X-YMail-OSG:Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=LwkZo5ujGfgxn5H6NbyDSr/j/ylSKmbY1YMCONmckFkdIqbT7zXElPcdlcqmcMgYxnJVk04jhVwAwqMQ045SH0cQmoyd49Eleywr4qoknKdHwM11QAX1BDlxd6EeU7g2dufcPkvyD9F4VWtEX+j+911tCU8v0/NaUR4q21Fr5Os= ; X-YMail-OSG: sQJd8hMVM1koXb_Lf8W4Yz1ptv492tMN4grOd3AkmYpg92R8davLey2i0mEepfZ08ffX_7lSJ_j9sPG0.rL.DE146R4MVZ_de5UjJQ6cGADH6t_V Message-ID: <002c01c78d83$64ad2710$6402a8c0@PC576340162804> From: "Ben" To: References: <004e01c78d53$20cf7fa0$6402a8c0@PC576340162804> <62C015F3-8C05-4CD3-A3CC-478F44DE24DB@bernhardwagner.net> Subject: Re: OT: Bjork uses the Reactable on tour Date: Thu, 3 May 2007 15:03:05 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69969 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 3 May 2007 13:03:13 +0000 (UTC) Yes thank you Berhnard, I saw this FAQ but Bjork is not quite a "museum" or "experimentalist" artist and Doug said he got one so I thought the FAQ may be outdated. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bernhard Wagner LD" To: Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2007 9:25 AM Subject: Re: OT: Bjork uses the Reactable on tour > http://mtg.upf.es/reactable/?faq > > found via > > http://www.google.com/search?q=reactable > > Bernhard > > On 03.05.2007, at 09:17, Ben wrote: > >> Can the Reactable be bought? Whats the price? > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 3 13:26:21 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1365C3BEC7; Thu, 3 May 2007 13:26:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Thu, 03 May 2007 21:16:59 -0400 From: Douglas Baldwin Subject: Re: Foot timing To: samba - , Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <002c01c78deb$1e910540$9715be18@oemcomputer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 Content-type: text/plain; charset=Windows-1252 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69970 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 3 May 2007 13:26:21 +0000 (UTC) Beautiful, beautiful. With your permission, I would like to copy this into my notebook of rhythm. If I quote it (all or part) to another, I will give you full credit. Douglas Baldwin, coyote-at-large www.thecoyote.org coyotelk@optonline.net "Let these minutes and hours Show my mind strange new flowers" - Jackson Browne samba wrote: > The problem of anticipation is, perhaps, the most common problem for > rhythm students. One can focus on counting the spaces as well as the down > beats,1e + a 2e + a etc,and practice entering on each of the subdivisions. > Slower tempos are harder. In several ways it's harder to play slow than > fast. Empty space can be the most difficult element in music(and in > shooting pool,maybe in life in general.) > Another thing that can help is examining the actual foot technique- is it > stable, Is the heel on or off the ground ,is the motion throwing the rest of > the body off balance,such to throw timing? Also how long does it take the > pedal action to work It's necessary for the action to complete on the beat > ,which may mean it has to start slightly before. This is why some people > play shakers or tamborines off time ,they aren't thinking about the travel > time for the moving parts,another empty space issue. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 3 13:36:14 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 021E33BEB0; Thu, 3 May 2007 13:36:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <051201c78d88$03064640$25b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <200705022323531.SM05328@quahome> Subject: Re: VST folder Date: Thu, 3 May 2007 07:36:09 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69971 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 3 May 2007 13:36:13 +0000 (UTC) Yes, you can do that. I put all of my VSTs in the same folder. Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Qua Veda" To: Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2007 12:19 AM Subject: VST folder > Using PC. Each time I install a VST, it puts the VST file in a different > folder . Is it OK to create a folder under C:\Program Files, called > "VST > Folder", and then copy the .dll file from each VST into that folder? > > Would this totally hose things up? Or is OK to do this? > > Appreciate the help > -Qua > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 3 14:06:21 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0A0943BEAB; Thu, 3 May 2007 14:06:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=GtOsFFzN2Xz9sf4wGYQRbGfjsSlfMDBMpzu37cJQAMjtf3q5MB3iJiSYVk+mP+qg; h=Received:Mime-Version:To:Message-Id:Content-Type:From:Subject:Date:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-Id: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-2-178000119 From: Paul Sullivan Subject: NYC gig spam: LAMBIC plays Mo Pitkin's at 11pm TONIGHT thursday 5/3--loop content Date: Thu, 3 May 2007 10:06:19 -0400 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-ELNK-Trace: 2cf92e4390c98b9b1aa676d7e74259b7b3291a7d08dfec79ce7473230bf3757e5905790fd881847b350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 24.239.145.189 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69972 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 3 May 2007 14:06:20 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-2-178000119 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Hi, everyone long time lurker, infrequent poster. Lambic is a duo consisting of Paul Sullivan-guitar and effects, Stephen Moses-drums, trombone and effects (some of you may know of Steve from his other band, Alice Donut). The effects we use include many loopers--2 boomerangs, headrush, DL-4, pds-8000...We'll be doing 1 set at 11 pm this Thursday May 3rd at Mo Pitkin's House of Satisfaction (and who among us doesn't crave some satisfaction?), 34 Avenue A, between east 2nd and east 3rd streets. For more info, http://www.mopitkins.com/ info.html http://myspace.com/lambic cdbaby.com/cd/lambic Hope to see you there, any list members please come up and say hi! --Apple-Mail-2-178000119 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1
Hi, = everyone

long time lurker, infrequent poster. Lambic is a duo = consisting of=A0 Paul Sullivan-guitar and effects, Stephen Moses-drums, = trombone and effects (some of you may know of Steve from his other band, = Alice Donut). The effects we use include many loopers--2 boomerangs, = headrush, DL-4, pds-8000...We'll be doing 1 set at 11 pm this Thursday = May 3rd at Mo Pitkin's House of Satisfaction (and who among us doesn't = crave some satisfaction?), 34 Avenue A, between east 2nd and east 3rd = streets.=A0 For more info,=A0http://www.mopitkins.com/info.html=A0 =A0http://myspace.com/lambic=A0cdbaby.com/cd/lambic=A0Hope to see you = there, any list members please come up and say hi!

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= --Apple-Mail-2-178000119-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 3 14:11:13 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DE4E43BECA; Thu, 3 May 2007 14:11:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com In-Reply-To: <002c01c78deb$1e910540$9715be18@oemcomputer> References: <002c01c78deb$1e910540$9715be18@oemcomputer> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Bernhard Wagner LD Subject: Re: Foot timing Date: Thu, 3 May 2007 16:11:04 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) Resent-Message-ID: <0s8iaB.A.zvB.B2eOGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69973 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 3 May 2007 14:11:13 +0000 (UTC) For guitarists: 1 e + a 2 e + a D U D U D U D U D = down stroke U = up stroke So if you practice entering at any of the subdivisions it helps to silently do the down/up strokes before actually entering. Or play them as ghost notes. A fun (mental) exercise is also to practice every rhythm starting with an upstroke instead of a downstroke, i.e. 1 e + a 2 e + a U D U D U D U D I'm not a drummer, but I sometimes do the same exercises with left/ right hand instead of down/up stroke. Or I take a drumming exercise and replace L, R by U, D... Bernhard samba wrote: > One can focus on counting the spaces as well as the down > beats,1e + a 2e + a etc,and practice entering on each of the > subdivisions. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 3 15:18:59 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D5AC33BEC2; Thu, 3 May 2007 15:18:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=l6GieKosT7O72Hm+Mm3zBww+3MuQis3HJ26oFG+846Bcoe8yTTcLJtqSgtjo/Aw6OiUKlnhuSLfsVyvh9nwHK/RTHL5/lkJQGu1q4ZcfMJfbQeoiwzjzkl8RX3GCvshs+iWm53ddB+G2euiThcCW1qj+lhOXWAAfRpC3a735eSQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=Os8Co2pbULgiHB0Oo5wYTrE62PPXA3WMLUvfmbdJhmKdOu8N6I03Lv85fQrfdPEMxE2zcvHoAUuy4s1qOM3arm9GUHQSx127U21S3pJDf496xZ2rAFPInyRKRnCUiX0YClq1gmfyfvOQ0r9UhCQCLC+REjw13jYGvYoe7+iu2wI= Message-ID: <3fa302e30705030818n4675f96bp80993946c19a6e91@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 3 May 2007 08:18:58 -0700 From: Mikkoz To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Nels Cline, guitarist occasionally looping In-Reply-To: <588ce11d0705022029q196686f3v75781ca75fc9668c@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_26850_27570172.1178205538090" References: <40A153CA-BE89-4F10-9998-2CD849CCE1F0@steve-lawson.co.uk> <588ce11d0705022029q196686f3v75781ca75fc9668c@mail.gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69974 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 3 May 2007 15:18:59 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_26850_27570172.1178205538090 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline I know it's older stuff, but I'm really a huge fan of the Nels Cline Trio . . . "Ground" and "Sad" are both extremely diverse running the gamut from very out skronky stuff, to very beautific meditative pieces. I've seen him play several times as well and he's really kinetic=97thrashing his guitar a= nd jumping all over the place=97whacking at his EH 16 sec delay, popping odd loops seamlessly into the sound bed. With that much action taking place, sometimes the wall of sound is too dense to sort out, but mostly it's reall= y amazing. Really a top fave player and really nice guy to boot. --=20 Miko Biffle Biffoz@Gmail.com MBiffle@FoxRacingShox.com "Running scared from all the usual distractions!" ------=_Part_26850_27570172.1178205538090 Content-Type: text/html; charset=WINDOWS-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline I know it's older stuff, but I'm really a huge fan of the Nels Clin= e Trio . . . "Ground" and "Sad" are both extremely divers= e running the gamut from very out skronky stuff, to very beautific meditative pieces.  I've seen him play several times as well and he's rea= lly kinetic=97thrashing his guitar and jumping all over the place=97whacking at his EH 16 sec delay, popping odd loops seamlessly into the sound bed.  With that much action taking place, sometimes the wall of sound is too dense to sort out, but mostly it's really amazing.  Really a top fave player and really nice guy to boot.

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&quo= t;Running scared from all the usual distractions!" ------=_Part_26850_27570172.1178205538090-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 3 15:28:30 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B10DB3BECD; Thu, 3 May 2007 15:28:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: VST folder Date: Thu, 3 May 2007 10:28:45 -0500 Message-ID: <3B760999C264454D82652640BB74075C2C8D82@keel.sailpoint.com> In-Reply-To: <66f9cc1e0705022344j1cea8a4bnf9532c3901d6f094@mail.gmail.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: VST folder Thread-Index: AceNToGS7lkZ8bMsQieMr1EW4lm8SgARu2MQ References: <588ce11d0705022029q196686f3v75781ca75fc9668c@mail.gmail.com> <200705022323531.SM05328@quahome> <66f9cc1e0705022344j1cea8a4bnf9532c3901d6f094@mail.gmail.com> From: "Jeff Larson" To: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69975 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 3 May 2007 15:28:30 +0000 (UTC) [Qua] > Using PC. Each time I install a VST, it puts the VST file in a different > folder . Is it OK to create a folder under C:\Program Files, called "VST > Folder", and then copy the .dll file from each VST into that folder?=20 =20 There does not appear to be a standard location for VST plugins, but in my experience the most common location that installers use is =20 c:\Program Files\VstPlugins =20 But I've seen others. Some of the big DAW hosts default to a plugin directory inside the host installation directory. They usually give you a way to change the plugin directory. A few hosts allow you to specify more than one directory to search for plugins, but most only allow one. =20 Almost all plugins are single .dll files and you can copy these anywhere after installation. Be careful though, a few the more complicated plugins have other data files besides the .dll and they may expect them to be in the same directory as the .dll. =20 Mobius has a lot of extra data files, but you do not need to copy these into the VstPlugins folder. It will store the location of the Mobius installation directory in the Windows registry so it knows where to find things. You can then copy the mobius.dll file to any directory. You cannot however move the entire Mobius installation directory to another location, only the mobius.dll file. =20 [Per] > The "normal" way seems to be to put the VST folder inside the > "Programs" folder , not the "Program Files" folder. Because of > this I need to manually move the Mobius dll file into that folder > because so far the Mobius installators put it in the "Programs/VST" > folder. Strange. =20 That's a surprise! The Mobius installer should not be doing this, it usually uses c:\Program Files\VstPlugins. The "C:\Program Files" part comes from the Windows registry so this may be different if you've installed Windows in an unusual way. But the installer should always be using VstPlugins inside the program files folder. =20 Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 3 18:03:35 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 747C33BEB3; Thu, 3 May 2007 18:03:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=F44Lv7T6Ylvyj2+FJ71BgAxYw4MZmsVOk3OMnukMg62CkokMn7bAtZQx5ROxxfL9DSnfGY+K4VDE0YNxMNV94tG/ipI/A5Dbx2+BWJRzED0NFOaIXSQuyYApB3nI5BcDLuC6+4eBW+2m09awCcGOVdbcBhwUddRkCmUzU7r6BCs= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=Jrsha8LObDO9wGaChLpt4Q2r7SM83wi+0h1r5MoEuCrxRk6lGAKZzwDL9PkG05gPYcG/nsciTKUmmaM9rZVWADb4nhGoqRID9aTfwQxuiBPrgXp7eHCUH/Vy+8DgmWlFpfHeDehpUli95qwe12MwKod3MzjrOoFM5M/pGYbk7M8= Message-ID: <66f9cc1e0705031103j35b047cfida25eff9acde179c@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 3 May 2007 20:03:32 +0200 From: "Per Boysen" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Li Fi Lazer - free album online! 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------=_Part_36843_27259130.1178215412180-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 3 18:46:31 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C03943BEC7; Thu, 3 May 2007 18:46:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: gig spam Date: Thu, 03 May 2007 14:46:19 -0400 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-MB-Message-Type: User MIME-Version: 1.0 From: nemoguitt@aol.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Mailer: AOL WebMail 25698 Message-Id: <8C95BCA79175E90-143C-D806@WEBMAIL-MC05.sysops.aol.com> X-AOL-IP: 64.12.170.82 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: <_87ZtB.A.xnH.H4iOGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69977 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 3 May 2007 18:46:31 +0000 (UTC) tamari nite KLOBUCHAR is playing "FIRST FRIDAY" in the pittsburgh GARFIELD area, it's an art crawl......i will be at a place called THE BUILDING.....right on PENN AVE.....it's not my gig, i was just invited so i can only guess at what i'm going to do.....things kick off at 7 i'll be there early makin' noise and scarin' people......MAMA DON'T LET YOUR KIDZ GROW UP TO BE LOOPERS.....as my sweety just yelled up the stairs "can you turn that way down till i'm far away?".....E-MAIL time!.....it was with great fear and trepidation that i pulled my kit apart and am trying to create a small wmd.....my buddy left his "beringer euro mixer" here a long time ago and i thought i would give it a place in my new kit, not a bad little mixer imho.....boy is my mind awash with infinite options trying to reconfigure this set-up..... i'm going to throw my distortion pedal in the bag in case the other musos ask me to join them, all i know at this point is that there will be a sax player other than that, i'm on my own......YIPPEEEE.....it's great to be "healthy" enuf to gig again, i'm excited.....my only corncern is i'm using a very tempramental fender "champ" and a kool little 15" vox amp rather than my srm's, too heavy for this gig, ain't no yungins around to help the old man.....i need the 2 amps to get that btrman wankage goin'.....so you all have time to fly to pittsburgh and support me, i'll be takin names so have no fear!.....i'll report back later to, as RICKEEEEE WALKER said in BOISE "let me know when you have had enuf!".....michael http://www.myspace.com/klobuchar10 http://mysite.verizon.net/vzepmeci/ www.ct-collective.com ________________________________________________________________________ AOL now offers free email to everyone. 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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 3 18:49:38 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0BA963BED0; Thu, 3 May 2007 18:49:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <15588977.1178218175829.JavaMail.root@web34> Date: Thu, 3 May 2007 11:49:35 -0700 From: Paul Richards To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: gig spam Cc: nemoguitt@aol.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Sensitivity: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69978 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 3 May 2007 18:49:38 +0000 (UTC) How long does the gig run? -- Paul ---- nemoguitt@aol.com wrote: > tamari nite KLOBUCHAR is playing "FIRST FRIDAY" in the pittsburgh > GARFIELD area, it's an art crawl......i will be at a place called THE > BUILDING.....right on PENN AVE.....it's not my gig, i was just invited > so i can only guess at what i'm going to do.....things kick off at 7 > i'll be there early makin' noise and scarin' people......MAMA DON'T LET > YOUR KIDZ GROW UP TO BE LOOPERS.....as my sweety just yelled up the > stairs "can you turn that way down till i'm far away?".....E-MAIL > time!.....it was with great fear and trepidation that i pulled my kit > apart and am trying to create a small wmd.....my buddy left his > "beringer euro mixer" here a long time ago and i thought i would give > it a place in my new kit, not a bad little mixer imho.....boy is my > mind awash with infinite options trying to reconfigure this set-up..... > i'm going to throw my distortion pedal in the bag in case the other > musos ask me to join them, all i know at this point is that there will > be a sax player other than that, i'm on my own......YIPPEEEE.....it's > great to be "healthy" enuf to gig again, i'm excited.....my only > corncern is i'm using a very tempramental fender "champ" and a kool > little 15" vox amp rather than my srm's, too heavy for this gig, ain't > no yungins around to help the old man.....i need the 2 amps to get that > btrman wankage goin'.....so you all have time to fly to pittsburgh and > support me, i'll be takin names so have no fear!.....i'll report back > later to, as RICKEEEEE WALKER said in BOISE "let me know when you have > had enuf!".....michael > > > http://www.myspace.com/klobuchar10 > http://mysite.verizon.net/vzepmeci/ > www.ct-collective.com > > ________________________________________________________________________ > AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free > from AOL at AOL.com. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 3 18:56:44 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C96033BEDD; Thu, 3 May 2007 18:56:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com References: <15588977.1178218175829.JavaMail.root@web34> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: gig spam Date: Thu, 03 May 2007 14:56:27 -0400 In-Reply-To: <15588977.1178218175829.JavaMail.root@web34> X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 From: nemoguitt@aol.com X-MB-Message-Type: User Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Mailer: AOL WebMail 25698 Message-Id: <8C95BCBE39F63D0-143C-D915@WEBMAIL-MC05.sysops.aol.com> X-AOL-IP: 64.12.170.82 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69979 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 3 May 2007 18:56:44 +0000 (UTC) paul.....i don't know but i would think till at least 11-12 o'clock.....but i could be wrong.....so 7 till ? it is.....m -----Original Message----- From: paulrichard10@adelphia.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Cc: nemoguitt@aol.com Sent: Thu, 3 May 2007 2:49 PM Subject: Re: gig spam How long does the gig run? ________________________________________________________________________ AOL now offers free email to everyone. 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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 3 20:08:14 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 27B893BEDB; Thu, 3 May 2007 20:08:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: gig spam Date: Thu, 3 May 2007 22:08:25 +0200 Organization: Moinlabs Message-ID: <000301c78dbe$ceb5ebc0$1001a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <8C95BCA79175E90-143C-D806@WEBMAIL-MC05.sysops.aol.com> Thread-Index: AceNs14OpfLuOVPgTLCMLr9Qj4o6xwAC1rHQ X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-RZG-AUTH: lUESeo99iNzPL8kuBgLYdKEqUywq9cxqeRA+BtFcSCD5deQ7OINKr1blh6g= X-RZG-CLASS-ID: mo07 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69980 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 3 May 2007 20:08:14 +0000 (UTC) Nice to have you back on the stages of the world, Michael. Give them a hard time for their money! ;) Rainer From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 3 20:28:29 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D4C743BEDB; Thu, 3 May 2007 20:28:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [4.246.45.101] X-Originating-Email: [sambacomet@hotmail.com] X-Sender: sambacomet@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <20070503184938.0F4903BED3@arsenic.violacea.com> From: "samba -" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Bill to save webcasters Date: Thu, 03 May 2007 13:28:23 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 May 2007 20:28:28.0262 (UTC) FILETIME=[9BA1B860:01C78DC1] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69981 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 3 May 2007 20:28:29 +0000 (UTC) * Proposed Bill Aims to Save Music Webcasters A new bill in Congress could help save music webcasting. 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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 4 01:44:13 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D55963BEE0; Fri, 4 May 2007 01:44:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Ed Drake Subject: Y2K6 Loop Festival in June '07 Guitar Player Date: Thu, 3 May 2007 21:44:05 -0400 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69982 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 4 May 2007 01:44:13 +0000 (UTC) A two page spread on Y2K6 with pictures and mention of many folks that hang out here. This is the issue with Andy Summers of the Police on the cover (who has a Boss loopstation on his pedalboard) and there's a feature on David Torn too so plenty of loop related action. Ed From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 4 07:09:15 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 499493BEE7; Fri, 4 May 2007 07:09:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Cloudmark-Score: 0.000000 [] Message-ID: <002301c78e1b$1cc0ff60$4001a8c0@mini> From: "CV" To: References: <003901c78cf9$aa822630$17b2a8c0@netzrechner> Subject: Re: Foot timing Date: Fri, 4 May 2007 09:09:09 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69983 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 4 May 2007 07:09:15 +0000 (UTC) Hello all timing is incredibly dependant of the state of mind and physical posture you're in when you play more than 20 years of guitar teaching and rythm practicing have definitly proven to me that when you let it go, relax , _not_ focus on _the_ spot you try to play/press but just play it without any concern if it will work or not, your timing will improve imensely AND calm and stop ALL your upper body moves/shakes/nervous tics untill you feel deconnected to your playing untill you feel like a spectator of your playing. Also try to search for any tension in your neck, shoulders, elbows etc and dissolve them AND correct the verticality of you spine neck system All this can be an immense change of perception of who you thought you where while playing, and, may confuse you for a while but it is worth it if you feel your rythm playing is deserves it. an excellent book by Pedro de Alcantara http://www.pedrodealcantara.com/index.html Indirect Procedures: A Musician's Guide to the Alexander Technique for those interested by a big rythm massage check my "polyrhythm for the fingerstyle guitar player" article on www.claudevoit.ch relax relax relax Claude > it may help to imagine that footstep as a part of the piece, like a drum > beat to be played > with the foot. dancing around and incorporating that step into the groove. > > i had an interesting expierience trying to loop on the last beat four of a > four bar phrase. > it was much harder to do than stepping on the big one, although that > particular beat four was a pause... > > my timing got better by stepping with verve, stomping hard down on that > mother. > it was loud, so when i heard these stomps in the loop, i practiced > stomping rhythmically precise but soft. > > well, all you loopers out there will know what it means to have to listen > to a badly closed loop > until your piece is over... > > > smooth looping to everybody! > > tilmann > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "samba -" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2007 9:56 PM > Subject: Foot timing > > >> >> The problem of anticipation is, perhaps, the most common problem for >> rhythm students. One can focus on counting the spaces as well as the down >> beats,1e + a 2e + a etc,and practice entering on each of the >> subdivisions. Slower tempos are harder. In several ways it's harder to >> play slow than fast. Empty space can be the most difficult element in >> music(and in shooting pool,maybe in life in general.) >> Another thing that can help is examining the actual foot technique- is >> it stable, Is the heel on or off the ground ,is the motion throwing the >> rest of the body off balance,such to throw timing? Also how long does it >> take the pedal action to work It's necessary for the action to complete >> on the beat ,which may mean it has to start slightly before. This is why >> some people play shakers or tamborines off time ,they aren't thinking >> about the travel time for the moving parts,another empty space issue. >> >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Watch free concerts with Pink, Rod Stewart, Oasis and more. Visit MSN In >> Concert today. http://music.msn.com/presents?icid=ncmsnpresentstagline >> > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 4 13:12:31 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 66F1B3BEDE; Fri, 4 May 2007 13:12:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Fri, 04 May 2007 21:11:31 -0400 From: Douglas Baldwin Subject: Guitar Player magazine: Looper's Paradise To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, Loopers-Delight-d@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <004201c78eb2$5b959100$9715be18@oemcomputer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 Content-type: text/plain; charset=Windows-1252 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <20070503184938.0801C3BED6@arsenic.violacea.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69984 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 4 May 2007 13:12:31 +0000 (UTC) Y'all gotta check out the latest Guitar Player magazine. Y2K6 gets a two page spread! Big pix of Bill Walker, Krispen Hartung, Carl Weingarten, the hands of Lucio Menegon and hair of Joe Rut, His Holiness Kim Flint, Ted Killian and, looking very relaxed on table Strat, The Genie. Superstars! And there's a nice juicy interview with David Torn discussing Prezens and his Tornipulator guitar. Let us all sing the praises of Guitar Player editor Barry Cleveland, who authored both pieces! Barry, please put in a good word for me with Michael Molenda - Guitar One magazine just shut down and I am frantically searching for a new writing gig. Love and loopage, Douglas Baldwin, coyote-at-large www.thecoyote.org coyotelk@optonline.net "Let these minutes and hours Show my mind strange new flowers" - Jackson Browne From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 4 14:49:01 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DBEE93BEE8; Fri, 4 May 2007 14:49:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <004201c78eb2$5b959100$9715be18@oemcomputer> References: <20070503184938.0801C3BED6@arsenic.violacea.com> <004201c78eb2$5b959100$9715be18@oemcomputer> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <2aa0b510b9010deecdddc8a85cc4406c@charter.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?tEd_=AE_kiLLiAn?= Subject: Re: Guitar Player magazine: Looper's Paradise Date: Fri, 4 May 2007 08:49:32 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) X-Chzlrs: 0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69985 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 4 May 2007 14:49:01 +0000 (UTC) Coyote, Wouldn't ya know, I let my subscription lapse -- the last issue I got was May (last month's). Oh well, I suppose I'll HAVE to resubscribe now, just to see what all the hubbub is all about. Thanks for the warning. And, while I'm mentioning it -- as far as I'm concerned -- every name ('cept mine) you mentioned is a SUPERSTAR indeed. I feel I played one of my worst sets EVER at Y2K6 and feel a deep embarrassment at having even been noticed. Best regards, Ted Killian On May 4, 2007, at 6:11 PM, Douglas Baldwin wrote: > Y'all gotta check out the latest Guitar Player magazine. Y2K6 gets a > two > page spread! Big pix of Bill Walker, Krispen Hartung, Carl Weingarten, > the > hands of Lucio Menegon and hair of Joe Rut, His Holiness Kim Flint, Ted > Killian and, looking very relaxed on table Strat, The Genie. > Superstars! > And there's a nice juicy interview with David Torn discussing Prezens > and > his Tornipulator guitar. > > Let us all sing the praises of Guitar Player editor Barry Cleveland, > who > authored both pieces! > > Barry, please put in a good word for me with Michael Molenda - Guitar > One > magazine just shut down and I am frantically searching for a new > writing > gig. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 4 16:43:38 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C470F3BEEC; Fri, 4 May 2007 16:43:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <20070504164656.68734.qmail@netmail.mail.registeredsite.com> References: <20070503184938.0801C3BED6@arsenic.violacea.com> <004201c78eb2$5b959100$9715be18@oemcomputer> In-Reply-To: <004201c78eb2$5b959100$9715be18@oemcomputer> From: "db" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Cc: Loopers-Delight-d@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Guitar Player magazine: Looper's Paradise Date: Fri, 04 May 2007 12:46:56 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69986 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 4 May 2007 16:43:38 +0000 (UTC) Douglas Baldwin writes: > Barry, please put in a good word for me with Michael Molenda - Guitar One > magazine just shut down and I am frantically searching for a new writing > gig. Wow, Guitar One is gone? GW wins at Freedom Pubs... David Beardsley microtonal gtr http://biink.com/db From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 4 19:35:58 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AC2B73BEEC; Fri, 4 May 2007 19:35:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: MAJOR CONGRATS Date: Fri, 04 May 2007 15:35:48 -0400 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-MB-Message-Type: User MIME-Version: 1.0 From: nemoguitt@aol.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Mailer: AOL WebMail 25698 Message-Id: <8C95C9A8D6E76B0-132C-E6D@WEBMAIL-MC05.sysops.aol.com> X-AOL-IP: 64.12.170.82 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69987 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 4 May 2007 19:35:58 +0000 (UTC) before buzzin off to my "little" gig i had to give MAJOR CONGRATS to RICKEEEEEEE WALKER and all of the kool katz that got props for the Y2K6 LL FEST.....and a big hats off to all the members of our fine little community.....wowie zowie!.....super good stuff.....i'm taking GP to my gig tonite and giving the spread a place on my little table while wearing my LD tea shirt.....btb.....we need, or i need a new LD tea shirt.....all mine are stained with drool and food droppings.....not good getting old or is it?......once again, CONGRATS to all.....michael http://www.myspace.com/klobuchar10 http://mysite.verizon.net/vzepmeci/ www.ct-collective.com ________________________________________________________________________ AOL now offers free email to everyone. 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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 4 21:08:15 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 016B83BEF3; Fri, 4 May 2007 21:08:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <463BA0B8.5040707@mhorse.com> Date: Fri, 04 May 2007 16:08:08 -0500 From: Daryl Shawn User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.10 (Windows/20070221) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Cheap DIY looper Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69988 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 4 May 2007 21:08:15 +0000 (UTC) I know this project has been around in various guises on the Web for a long long time (and is mentioned in the archives from a number of years ago), but this page does an excellent step by step with photos for building a looper from a Radio Shack voice recorder board. http://www.instructables.com/id/SFKSQRX8Z0EP287017 (To be painfully exact, it's a "phrase sampler" by LD definition since it doesn't have feedback or sound on sound). It's very interesting seeing how people constructed their own versions in the comments. I especially love the "Lonely-Man" version, with its fake ad ("playing with yourself never felt so good"!), the tiny Altoids one, and the clear box. Anyone have ideas how to do pitchshifting on the playback? Daryl Shawn www.swanwelder.com www.chinapaintingmusic.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 5 00:29:53 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7E1813BEC5; Sat, 5 May 2007 00:29:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=wLSbEX6b1IOJ1mndE3Kh1ySxjSv0n3B83bzzS449JXRG/bFPddwH3uzZPDE6XyuWANqRRbV9vVdfDGIRzhxD0lVyA9zI+QIyElM0O1SPsxgoDbplDJKcPjXdQ7KaJBDUw8BtKMfNqI3akHzsBjnGv/ky4pem453acSBN3WM7d+M=; X-YMail-OSG: xMAjVzAVM1kd8YbcwIg9EfqDfTYCjBbau0o8OHUPndBomIWPmlv.qL3KNyz1kmhhkB2ctIUwr8iE0o71XasN7byih1e9.A_hc3HnUyMbxSTMa0fVhQ-- Date: Fri, 4 May 2007 17:29:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: MAJOR CONGRATS To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <8C95C9A8D6E76B0-132C-E6D@WEBMAIL-MC05.sysops.aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <127214.13641.qm@web43139.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69989 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 5 May 2007 00:29:53 +0000 (UTC) --- nemoguitt@aol.com wrote: ...we need, or i > need a new LD tea > shirt.....all mine are stained with drool and food > droppings... I was just thinking about that the other day. While mine has no visible stainage, it IS getting a bit like the 'Golden Boy' shirt in the Seinfeld episode, wherein a shirt reaches its peak of softness and broken-in comfort shortly before it disintegrates into pieces. Tragic. -t- http://www.myspace.com/nimbletunes http://cdbaby.com/all/timnelson ____________________________________________________________________________________ Looking for earth-friendly autos? Browse Top Cars by "Green Rating" at Yahoo! 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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 5 16:21:31 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2CD053BEE0; Sat, 5 May 2007 16:21:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Sat, 05 May 2007 12:25:33 -0400 From: Warren Sirota Subject: RE: Foot timing, syncing loops with Ableton In-reply-to: <002301c78e1b$1cc0ff60$4001a8c0@mini> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <000001c78f32$01807100$0302a8c0@Lightning> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6822 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Thread-index: AceOGypmpPsXyWxBT/yDMobm6KScsABEpWEg Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69990 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 5 May 2007 16:21:31 +0000 (UTC) Very interesting, Claude. I'm listening to and enjoying Loulou is in love right now, and I do expect to try out some of your fingerstyle techniques when I get a breather. I don't know if you can do this with other systems, but I like ending my loops by playing the first note of the cycle on my guitar - first, I press a footswitch for an alternate ending to "Record". Then my program detects the next incoming note (above a threshold) and ends the loop there (I forget whether or not I trim a few ms off the end to compensate for threshold detection lag). This seems to work pretty well. I also ordered a Trigger Finger yesterday, will experiment with what it's like to end loops with a finger tap. I think it might be a little more precise for me than a foot tap. I think I'm finally starting to let go of the concept that everything needs to be controllable from my feet. BTW, I've finally seen the light and decided that my MAX-based looping system gains the most flexibility when it becomes the sync master and then delegates a lot of the work to Ableton. In particular, it solves the "recording the first Live loop without a metronome" issue. I haven't yet figured out how to best divide all the looping/recording work between the two apps, but this lets me bring in drum clips and the like that are synced to the loop *after* the loop has already been recorded, rather than the other way around. I'm also sending MIDI clocks M-Audio Black box - which has a lot of cool beat-synced fx in it (there are many things I'm not in love with about the box, but these fx are great, and those reservations are for another post). There are so many signals floating around here, I'm not exactly sure how/if it's all going to get captured to disk in realtime, but that's not my primary concert at the moment. This is all running very easily on a 2GHz MacBook non-pro, which, btw, is also the best Windows computer I ever had. Best wishes, Warren Sirota > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 5 16:58:49 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 834C23BED5; Sat, 5 May 2007 16:58:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: AW: Foot timing, syncing loops with Ableton Date: Sat, 5 May 2007 18:58:50 +0200 Organization: Moinlabs Message-ID: <000601c78f36$a7c15620$1001a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-reply-to: <000001c78f32$01807100$0302a8c0@Lightning> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Thread-index: AceOGypmpPsXyWxBT/yDMobm6KScsABEpWEgAAIPm5A= X-RZG-AUTH: lUESeo99iNzPL8kuBgLYdKEqUywq9cxqeRA+BtFcSCD5deQ7OICKOTuWaw== X-RZG-CLASS-ID: mo07 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69991 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 5 May 2007 16:58:49 +0000 (UTC) Hey Warren, I think we were all very impressed when you demonstrated your looping setup at Y2K6loopfest...and it's interesting to hear that you also took the route to combine a looping software (in our sense of the word) with Ableton Live. > BTW, I've finally seen the light and decided that my > MAX-based looping system gains the most flexibility when it > becomes the sync master and then delegates a lot of the work > to Ableton. In particular, it solves the "recording the first Live with its lacking "first loop capability" (you need to set a tempo in advance) and the non-existent overdub function needs a dedicated looper - in my case it's Mobius. Depending on the actual piece/work, I sync Live to Mobius or vice versa. Normally, I never record audio clips in Live, only MIDI stuff (and here, I also can overdub and replace as I choose), and do all audio looping stuff in Mobius. All the best, Rainer From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 5 19:07:49 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 710EF3BEDC; Sat, 5 May 2007 19:07:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <000601c78f36$a7c15620$1001a8c0@succubus> References: <000601c78f36$a7c15620$1001a8c0@succubus> Date: Sat, 5 May 2007 14:07:42 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Mech Subject: Re: AW: Foot timing, syncing loops with Ableton Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69992 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 5 May 2007 19:07:49 +0000 (UTC) At 6:58 PM +0200 5/5/07, Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill wrote: > >Live with its lacking "first loop capability" (you need to set a tempo in >advance) and the non-existent overdub function needs a dedicated looper - in >my case it's Mobius. Depending on the actual piece/work, I sync Live to >Mobius or vice versa. Normally, I never record audio clips in Live, only >MIDI stuff (and here, I also can overdub and replace as I choose), and do >all audio looping stuff in Mobius. Rainer, (warning: largely-academic chatter ahead) I've been working with a couple of people on the Ableton forums and trying to build a working MIDI Looper for Live. While I haven't been able to solve the "first loop capability" problem, we did stumble upon a solution that *might* work to provide a limited overdub-like capability for Ableton. For quite a while, I was overthinking the problem, and trying to come up with something overtly elegant (i.e. feeding the loop back into some structure over multiple iterations). However, a dumb brute force method will work just as well. Simply record a MIDI control track that is linked into Ableton's Utility widget. Have the control track scale Utility's volume control over the course of "X" meaures. Set up each overdub on its own track (with the Utility plug), then assign that pre-recorded control track to the overdub. It will scale the volume down to zero over the course of "X" measures, thus emulating standard feedback. Biggest downside is that you need to come up with the number of measures you want to fade out across ahead of time (which, once again, is a big problem in so many aspects of Ableton). Then you've got to make up a set of pre-recorded control tracks to handle various fade lengths (sort of like the pre-recorded loop thing we used to have to do with the Repeater). (/largely-academic chatter) On an only somewhat related note, however, I have been able to build a couple of working MIDI Loopers with Feedback inside Bidule (which kicks ass) and I'm yanking them around now to see what breaks. Right now they work fine, but since they're based on a very long MIDI delay, you have to come up with a repeat length (in quarter notes) ahead of time -- just like an "audio delay line" Looper. Next, I've got to figure out how to derive tempo from a Bidule widget, so I can solve the "first loop" problem and then drive Ableton from Bidule's MIDI clock. Assuming I can actually program a nice working package, I'll post some links to the widgets if anybody else is interested. FWIW, there's not much out there in the way of MIDI Looping.... --m. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 5 19:31:41 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4D96C3BEE2; Sat, 5 May 2007 19:31:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=DDVhfKUX5r5KsRO5SfpT8WYfrxe29AHRziy/ZBl+Tmj2obLcO7+YI02Sx+6pWI4NNpPEDZtHFsnWkzG4oiCjwMPjt/XGAEGd5iIdWw0llaICyKMtYb9Tob2ogZ8RZdsE1KTKgYKxDNjK78exs1B3+UXZ8qMBcj8Yix9/6CEu38M= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=N8ahH9ikpr4z7bJYYC11zNHzT/FvYxPhbhD2TL9HYYSite4DlphX8q4v+GzRzOnhnFWF5Gu9WOEJ2S4P5zo/qaCptcqL96bo1f3t1Kd6cwj25LxhqZMScQOOzHFuZRCmwAMmetexxtEUFJ0jHWqPV+sG6sWPpXpJhPKLk+eaf2I= Message-ID: <66f9cc1e0705051231j79ad1f9cqf9692c646a6a0639@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 5 May 2007 21:31:39 +0200 From: "Per Boysen" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: AW: Foot timing, syncing loops with Ableton In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_70171_13327154.1178393499218" References: <000601c78f36$a7c15620$1001a8c0@succubus> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69993 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 5 May 2007 19:31:41 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_70171_13327154.1178393499218 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline At 6:58 PM +0200 5/5/07, Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill wrote: > > > >Live with its lacking "first loop capability" (you need to set a tempo i= n > >advance) and the non-existent overdub function needs a dedicated looper = - > in > >my case it's Mobius. Depending on the actual piece/work, I sync Live to > >Mobius or vice versa. Normally, I never record audio clips in Live, only > >MIDI stuff (and here, I also can overdub and replace as I choose), and d= o > >all audio looping stuff in Mobius. I too used Live before. At the 2004 loop festival in Z=FCrich I brought my = EDP to pipe in/out on an Ableton Live track - only to get that first loop capability which is so musically important. And I never recorded clips in Live. Since I could afford PC laptop for Momobius I have almost not touched Live (except for teaching purposes). On 5/5/07, Mech wrote: . Next, I've > got to figure out how to derive tempo from a Bidule widget, so I can > solve the "first loop" problem and then drive Ableton from Bidule's > MIDI clock. > > Assuming I can actually program a nice working package, I'll post > some links to the widgets if anybody else is interested. FWIW, > there's not much out there in the way of MIDI Looping.... Yes - MIDI looping is inspiring! I'f done it in Logic with the Cycle Record (a basic function since two decades something...) but when playing MIDI instruments (in my case restricted to the EWI only) I still prefer to use Mobius to loop the auido output of the MIDI modul/plugin. Nice that you mentioned Bidule - IMHO it rocks at the same level as Mobius. I guess you were talking MIDI looping only (?) but for audio looping with Mobius as VST inside Bidule, as the host, you benefit from the built-in Bidule-unique syncing system. I don't know how that works in a technical sense, but fact is I always run Mobius VST plug-in as the sync master and every damn VST effect plug-in does sync perfectly to the tempo set by the FIRST LOOP I catch in Mobius. I think that's nothing but fantastic! Total musical freedom :-) Today I playd an outdoor gig with Laptop and it worked just fine. Excellent guitar sound from just one laptop, directly lined left/right into the house PA. Will do a second gig tomorrow, also outdoors. --=20 Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/2kek7h (latest music release) http://www.myspace.com/looproom ------=_Part_70171_13327154.1178393499218 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline At 6:58 PM +0200 5/5/07, Rainer Theloniu= s Balthasar Straschill wrote:

>
>Live with its lacking "first loop capability" (you ne= ed to set a tempo in
>advance) and the non-existent overdub function = needs a dedicated looper - in
>my case it's Mobius. Depending on = the actual piece/work, I sync Live to
>Mobius or vice versa. Normally, I never record audio clips in Live,= only
>MIDI stuff (and here, I also can overdub and replace as I choo= se), and do
>all audio looping stuff in Mobius.


I too used Live before. At the 2004 loop festival in Z=FCrich I bro= ught my EDP to pipe in/out on an Ableton Live track - only to get that firs= t loop capability which is so musically important. And I never recorded cli= ps in Live. Since I could afford PC laptop for Momobius I have almost not t= ouched Live (except for teaching purposes).


On 5/5/07, Mech <mech@m3ch.net> w= rote:

.  Next, I've
got to figure out how to derive tempo from a= Bidule widget, so I can
solve the "first loop" problem and th= en drive Ableton from Bidule's
MIDI clock.

Assuming I can act= ually program a nice working package, I'll post
some links to the widgets if anybody else is interested.  FWI= W,
there's not much out there in the way of MIDI Looping....


Yes - MIDI looping is inspiring! I'f done it in Logic= with the Cycle Record (a basic function since two decades something...) bu= t when playing MIDI instruments (in my case restricted to the EWI only) I s= till prefer to use Mobius to loop the auido output of the MIDI modul/plugin= .=20

Nice that you mentioned Bidule - IMHO it rocks at the same level as= Mobius. I guess you were talking MIDI looping only (?) but for audio loopi= ng with Mobius as VST inside Bidule, as the host, you benefit from the buil= t-in Bidule-unique syncing system. I don't know how that works in a tec= hnical sense, but fact is I always run Mobius VST plug-in as the sync maste= r and every damn VST effect plug-in does sync perfectly to the tempo set by= the FIRST LOOP I catch in Mobius. I think that's nothing but fantastic= ! Total musical freedom :-)  Today I playd an outdoor gig with Laptop = and it worked just fine. Excellent guitar sound from just one laptop, direc= tly lined left/right into the house PA. Will do a second gig tomorrow, also= outdoors.=20

--
Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
www.boysen.se (Swedish)
www.looproom.com (international)
http://tinyurl.com/2kek7h (latest music release)
http://www.myspace.com/looproom ------=_Part_70171_13327154.1178393499218-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 5 21:40:31 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D92123BEE6; Sat, 5 May 2007 21:40:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <200705052140.l45LeOrJ051176@mail.cruzio.com> Reply-To: From: "William Walker" To: Subject: RE: Guitar Player magazine: Looper's Paradise Date: Sat, 5 May 2007 14:40:24 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 In-Reply-To: <2aa0b510b9010deecdddc8a85cc4406c@charter.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Thread-Index: AcePTDsI7s7Zb3GLSLGuhbuBEpJGTQAD+sSg X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.1 required=1.0 tests=AWL autolearn=disabled version=3.1.7 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.7 (2006-10-05) on mail.cruzio.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69994 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 5 May 2007 21:40:31 +0000 (UTC) Hey Ted, I dug your set, I too didn't feel I had a personal best set, tech issues, flow of ideas, etc, but you were very musical and sonically interesting and that's what matters most eh? Give yourself a hug goddamit :) Bill PS Big props to Barry Cleveland and Guitar Player for the exposure, not to mention Rick for his blood sweat and tears. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 5 21:42:53 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1D2703BEE4; Sat, 5 May 2007 21:42:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <66f9cc1e0705051231j79ad1f9cqf9692c646a6a0639@mail.gmail.com> References: <000601c78f36$a7c15620$1001a8c0@succubus> <66f9cc1e0705051231j79ad1f9cqf9692c646a6a0639@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 5 May 2007 16:42:47 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Mech Subject: Re: AW: Foot timing, syncing loops with Ableton Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69995 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 5 May 2007 21:42:53 +0000 (UTC) At 9:31 PM +0200 5/5/07, Per Boysen wrote: > >Yes - MIDI looping is inspiring! I'f done it in Logic with the Cycle >Record (a basic function since two decades something...) but when >playing MIDI instruments (in my case restricted to the EWI only) I >still prefer to use Mobius to loop the auido output of the MIDI >modul/plugin. Yeah, I knew that both Logic and Cubase had capabilities to do similar functions, but I gave up on Cubase back around Y2k when it finally became too bloated for me (this after over ten years as a diehard Cubase fanatic). Other than those two, there's darn little out there for a 3rd party MIDI Looping plug. Right now I'm having fun inside Bidule with splitting the outputs of the loop repeats to different channels/instruments/effects. I've got one Layout where (in conjunction with Ableton) the initial line is played on one instrument, the first repeat is on a different instrument and transposed, and all subsequent repeats are on a third instrument but turned into arpeggiated lines that are then pitch-shifted. Yeah, you can make a huge mess by hitting only one or two keys!!! ;) >Nice that you mentioned Bidule - IMHO it rocks at the same level as Mobius. Yep, couldn't agree more! I've actually had it sitting around on my desktop for a long, long time without really delving into it. I originally got it when I was having major problems with Sooperlooper and Jack (mostly Jack; Jesse's code for Sooperlooper is actually pretty good, IMNSHO). I was getting ridiculous amounts of latency trying to interface between Jack and Live 4. So I thought Bidule might be a better host, but in the end it didn't give any better results unfortunately. I still kept it around knowing that it would be a nice Swiss army knife if the need arose. It works nicely here, and didn't take more than about an hour to set up a complete working widget. :) >I guess you were talking MIDI looping only (?) but for audio looping >with Mobius as VST inside Bidule, as the host, you benefit from the >built-in Bidule-unique syncing system. I don't know how that works >in a technical sense, but fact is I always run Mobius VST plug-in as >the sync master and every damn VST effect plug-in does sync >perfectly to the tempo set by the FIRST LOOP I catch in Mobius. I >think that's nothing but fantastic! Total musical freedom :-) Today >I playd an outdoor gig with Laptop and it worked just fine. >Excellent guitar sound from just one laptop, directly lined >left/right into the house PA. Will do a second gig tomorrow, also >outdoors. I'm imminently jealous, Per, but I still haven't got the stomach to set up another Windows laptop (from some of your other comments, I think you might relate a little bit at least). After burning my last Windows setup over two years ago, I've found OSX so easy to work with that I'm really loathe to go back, even though Mobius rocks out really, really hard. And I'm also not too crazy about the idea of taking two laptops (one for Mobius and one for everything else) out for a performance, since that doubles the chance of a catastrophic laptop crash. I'm still having fun using Os' software (Augustus Loop & Crossfade Loopsynth) as well as giving Musolomo, Kaiserlooper, and Outi another try. And I've toyed with the idea of coding together a basic audio Looper inside Bidule. Haven't quite gotten to the point of ditching Ableton entirely yet, but *only* because Live's routing system is just to darn easy to use. I only wish that Mobius were ported over to OSX, though. (Like we haven't heard that before.... ) --m. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 5 22:03:57 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 592E13BEDC; Sat, 5 May 2007 22:03:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <200705052140.l45LeOrJ051176@mail.cruzio.com> References: <200705052140.l45LeOrJ051176@mail.cruzio.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Jeff Shirkey Subject: Re: Guitar Player magazine: Looper's Paradise Date: Sat, 5 May 2007 17:05:41 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: <3O7Wf.A.b-.M9PPGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69996 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 5 May 2007 22:03:57 +0000 (UTC) > > PS Big props to Barry Cleveland and Guitar Player for the exposure, My issue of GP still hasn't show up in the mail yet, so I haven't seen the review. But I do know that Barry Cleveland has (or did have) a couple of EDPs, so it's little wonder he'd take interest. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 5 22:59:55 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 16E553BEDB; Sat, 5 May 2007 22:59:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: weeksville@comcast.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Echoplex FCB 1010 question Date: Sat, 05 May 2007 22:59:53 +0000 Message-Id: <050520072259.23921.463D0C690002893000005D7122165662760A040407909C050A0A99@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Oct 4 2006) X-Authenticated-Sender: d2Vla3N2aWxsZUBjb21jYXN0Lm5ldA== MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_23921_1178405993_0" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69997 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 5 May 2007 22:59:55 +0000 (UTC) --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_23921_1178405993_0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I just upgraded my echoplex to IV and the record and overdub buttons are not working the way they did before. I use a FCB1010 midi controller. What is happening is as follows: I push record and record a loop, then I overdub and when I stop the overdub the loop volume level is changed (audibly) and its midi level is displayed for a sec after stopping overdub. I am only sending note on/off commands. No controller messages. I thought it was just random but after banging my head I have figured out that it it somehow time dependent. The longer I wait to stop the overdub the higher the level is in approximately 1.75 second repeats ie if I stop overdubing at 1 sec the level diplayed is 70-80 at 1.25 90-100 ... this is repeated every 1.75 sec. It is almost like some tap tempo function is controlling the echoplex volume. I hope I have describe this OK When I use other equiptment to trigger the echoplex like a midi keyboard controller the echoplex does not do this so it seems to be the footpedal. --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_23921_1178405993_0 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
I just upgraded my echoplex to IV and the record and overdub buttons are not working the way they did before.  I use a FCB1010 midi controller.  What is happening is as follows:
I push record and record a loop, then I overdub and when I stop the overdub the loop volume level is changed (audibly) and its midi level is displayed for a sec after stopping overdub.  I am only sending note on/off commands. No controller messages.   I thought it was just random but after banging my head I have figured out that it it somehow time dependent.  The longer I wait to stop the overdub the higher the level is in approximately 1.75 second repeats ie if I stop overdubing at 1 sec the level diplayed is 70-80 at 1.25 90-100 ...  this is repeated every 1.75 sec.  It is almost like some tap tempo function is controlling the echoplex volume.  I hope I have describe this OK
When I use other equiptment to trigger the echoplex like a midi keyboard controller the echoplex does not do this so it seems to be the footpedal.
--NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_23921_1178405993_0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 6 00:32:07 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3B2653BEDB; Sun, 6 May 2007 00:32:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com References: <000601c78f36$a7c15620$1001a8c0@succubus> <66f9cc1e0705051231j79ad1f9cqf9692c646a6a0639@mail.gmail.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: per's puter gig and stuff Date: Sat, 05 May 2007 20:32:00 -0400 In-Reply-To: <66f9cc1e0705051231j79ad1f9cqf9692c646a6a0639@mail.gmail.com> X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 From: nemoguitt@aol.com X-MB-Message-Type: User Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"; format=flowed X-Mailer: AOL WebMail 25698 Message-Id: <8C95D8D18843840-132C-601B@WEBMAIL-MC05.sysops.aol.com> X-AOL-IP: 64.12.170.82 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69998 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 6 May 2007 00:32:07 +0000 (UTC) per.....all guitar, any horns etc.? will we get a listen?.....i played=20 last nite (fri) and i had a 3 trip schlep from the car.....the fellow=20 (saxes) running the "gig" came in and looked at my stuff and thought it=20 was for a d.j.....when i told him it was my kit he was not as excited=20 as i was!.....i did a good bit of solo looping before the other players=20 arrived, alto/soprano sax. drummer and ME!.....they insisted that i=20 play with them, yikes!.....that's more than i can ask for, other people=20 (suckas) to play with, they were pretty much straight ahead jazzers=20 and later in the evening a FANTASTIC tuba player came and joined=20 them.....i did my KLUTTER "all notes are fair game approach to=20 playing".....seldom if ever had a "key" in mind.....i haven't played=20 with a horn player in a long time so it was fun to try to duplicate his=20 lines "beat wise" as well as mad attempts at note for note=20 duplication.....i had a blast.....i will betcha they NEVER call me back=20 even thought the folks coming tru the gallery really enjoyed it.....i=20 totally wish it was recorded, there were a few transendent moments a=20 least for me.....then the tear down, 3 schleps to car and home.....this=20 "COMPUTER" thang sounds more and more the direction to take per haps,=20 yes? no? maybe?.....:)m http://www.myspace.com/klobuchar10 http://mysite.verizon.net/vzepmeci/ www.ct-collective.com I think that's nothing but fantastic! Total musical freedom :-)=C2=A0 Toda= y=20 I playd an outdoor gig with Laptop and it worked just fine. Excellent=20 guitar sound from just one laptop, directly lined left/right into the=20 house PA. Will do a second gig tomorrow, also outdoors. -- Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/2kek7h (latest music release) http://www.myspace.com/looproom ________________________________________________________________________ AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free=20 from AOL at AOL.com. =3D0 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 6 00:37:53 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5BDED3BEE8; Sun, 6 May 2007 00:37:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com In-Reply-To: <200705052140.l45LeOrJ051176@mail.cruzio.com> References: <200705052140.l45LeOrJ051176@mail.cruzio.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <9cc30e3629ea4d881390302b4a9e0144@charter.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?tEd_=AE_kiLLiAn?= Subject: Re: Guitar Player magazine: Looper's Paradise Date: Sat, 5 May 2007 18:38:24 -0700 To: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) X-Chzlrs: 0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69999 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 6 May 2007 00:37:53 +0000 (UTC) Bill, You and your brother both have put a lot of blood, sweat and tears into all the Y2K Loopfest projects. I know that Y2K is Rick's baby and brainchild, but you have been the midwife every year (if you will accept my metaphor). I know there is nearly as much of your own blood, sweat, tears, spit, busted knuckles, scraped shins, headaches, back pain, sore ear drums, and frazzled nerves in these fests too. Kudus to Rick yes indeedy! He's da man. But kudus to you too. He would probably be the first to say he couldn't do it without you. Most of the rest of us realize it too. Best regards, Ted Killian On May 5, 2007, at 2:40 PM, William Walker wrote: > not to > mention Rick for his blood sweat and tears. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 6 08:46:05 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A3CB63BEE6; Sun, 6 May 2007 08:46:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <005c01c78fbb$02517e60$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "RICK WALKER" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: OT: visual looping in China and the time: 02:03:04 on 05/06/07 Date: Sun, 6 May 2007 01:46:16 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.1 required=1.0 tests=AWL autolearn=disabled version=3.1.7 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.7 (2006-10-05) on mail.cruzio.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70000 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 6 May 2007 08:46:05 +0000 (UTC) Chris Cohn (samba) as he frequently does just sent this amazing information to me. Check it out. All of these dancers (21) are deaf, and take visual cues for the timing of the dance from assistants at the side of the stage. They are state sponsored in China. The dance is called the 1000 Hands of Kuan Yin - who if you don't know is the mosts loving compassionate Goddess and chooses to be reborn again and again in order to relieve the suffering of human beings lost in our ego bound illusions. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x6U7xIZKrBM It's such amazing visual looping. Also, it is just about 20 minutes away from 4 seconds after 3 minutes after 2 a.m. which makes it 02:03:04 on 05/06/07 for the first and only time (in each time zone) in the calendar that we use in the west. Expressed as a compound time signature it is Taki Takita Takidimi Taktakita Takitatakita Takidimitakita or > > > > > > RL RLL RLRL RLRLL RLLRLL RLRLRLL Guitarists turn those right and lefts into down and upstrokes with a plectrum. or 27/8 or three sycopated sets of 9/8 Loop that, my good friends all over the world. love, Rick From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 6 12:41:14 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 92B543BEF1; Sun, 6 May 2007 12:41:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=YZKow4x6p1rzcEwfnkPNGAmKt5y3gEZLdx5hhNTq4pVSQdeQ5OZG9zRb4mb3CJrCSbH1fm9dWyyIRYiSf328XymK8uzPOs9aWq7SAGv7hJ93Y2ojbyvKvXZ2qsTazd781EwIwVHL1AzE4PFl3qGXYePYWZDBGZkT+Ei4h2AZqxY=; X-YMail-OSG: obUtz5wVM1mzbmdtLxYiPMqqQTOxLQtD8zD6mYR8rm9B51m6wCBPhtpin_Ps6M.yf_.g7rk7RI_xubny0RdPLk0puszWdilBHdnl.TVvRwmW5IDxZA-- Date: Sun, 6 May 2007 05:41:12 -0700 (PDT) From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: OT: visual looping in China and the time: 02:03:04 on 05/06/07 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <005c01c78fbb$02517e60$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <965767.93197.qm@web43133.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70001 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 6 May 2007 12:41:14 +0000 (UTC) --- RICK WALKER wrote: > Loop that, my good friends all over the world. I'll take that as a personal challenge and record a piece in that time signature. Maybe I'll finish it by 03:04:05 on 06/07/08! :) -t- http://www.myspace.com/nimbletunes http://cdbaby.com/all/timnelson ____________________________________________________________________________________ Food fight? Enjoy some healthy debate in the Yahoo! Answers Food & Drink Q&A. http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=list&sid=396545367 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 6 13:44:08 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7C1E53BEF7; Sun, 6 May 2007 13:44:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=AV/BqHTtEM2CgiTP1Ak2Ci3Mv57uBPfeQf2xRSabh/HrCj3NKyiLgunoHsZxSXy19oBOkFlrGgxmjNmDgYHfzH2I9f9c4CynLD4ldmw4xSh84zsPQJyyBXiwrujbc+HSAiS3tRtkvGh53RnmyYSZDtpt+j0Zg9O4JeppwdclN+k= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=Cr68n5kcbo1HRvPNbxhaL8iuMfq22f+4TNXAfFUOJD4U8M8LSJuJa7gmBglE14pt6aDOuVXNesmtlqG/F0v4hss/s7BayCJm8jJ+FrqM6xXofMBK0exTkUnWnrQltMLcAQfPk0yAoIMp41NQ0M7ncKiqwwQkewehURrb8cLSF6o= Message-ID: Date: Sun, 6 May 2007 09:44:06 -0400 From: "Jesse Chappell" Sender: essejlc@gmail.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: AW: Foot timing, syncing loops with Ableton In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <000601c78f36$a7c15620$1001a8c0@succubus> <66f9cc1e0705051231j79ad1f9cqf9692c646a6a0639@mail.gmail.com> X-Google-Sender-Auth: b93a28ddd6e8badd Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70002 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 6 May 2007 13:44:08 +0000 (UTC) On 5/5/07, Mech wrote: > I'm still having fun using Os' software (Augustus Loop & Crossfade > Loopsynth) as well as giving Musolomo, Kaiserlooper, and Outi another > try. And I've toyed with the idea of coding together a basic audio > Looper inside Bidule. Haven't quite gotten to the point of ditching > Ableton entirely yet, but *only* because Live's routing system is > just to darn easy to use. I only wish that Mobius were ported over > to OSX, though. (Like we haven't heard that before.... ) Just out of curiosity, what salient features are you missing from the existing mac loopers to make you want to build your own? jlc From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 6 14:20:04 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B4CD63BEF8; Sun, 6 May 2007 14:20:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: weeksville@comcast.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Echoplex loop IV question input level setting Date: Sun, 06 May 2007 14:20:02 +0000 Message-Id: <050620071420.10114.463DE41200050D730000278222155670740A040407909C050A0A99@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Oct 4 2006) X-Authenticated-Sender: d2Vla3N2aWxsZUBjb21jYXN0Lm5ldA== MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_10114_1178461202_0" Resent-Message-ID: <2HlZLC.A.d9B.UQePGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70003 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 6 May 2007 14:20:04 +0000 (UTC) --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_10114_1178461202_0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I did not get any response from my original quetion but that's OK because I got the FCB 1010 to work again. I just reinitialized every thing and started from scratch. I guess an AOG (act of God) occurred. Anyway all is working. Now I've noticed that when recording, the feedback input light detects the input signal hotter than the actual input light (ie when the input light is just good and constant green the feedback light is yellow) Didn't notice this with the loop III. Should I sue the feedback light as my gauge to set my levels? --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_10114_1178461202_0 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
I did not get any response from my original quetion but that's OK because I got the FCB 1010 to work again.  I just reinitialized every thing and started from scratch.  I guess an AOG (act of God) occurred.  Anyway all is working. 
Now I've noticed that when recording, the feedback input light detects the input signal hotter than the actual input light (ie when the input light is just good and constant green the feedback light is yellow)  Didn't notice this with the loop III.  Should I sue the feedback light as my gauge to set my levels?
--NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_10114_1178461202_0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 6 15:37:00 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1ED9E3BEE2; Sun, 6 May 2007 15:37:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=IvcRrTNXsCT2SzuoeYQnXWwZDihanJiDXZUOxz1j+pe5/+YBUlHWauoaza93C9hUrAzByYVv3JS9YYeolMHmKBKUNWx80wqQzO7t/jRvxePkw9cn+bZqudcPLexSHHnjj4SX9Y+qD0QzRHkDXt19BoUX/Hybx1sGoJA9ngo1+2Y= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=uXw9T/M3EWTzAcsFKqBoeZmWR81JJr2jLgGkDD9BgF3cFTExSgEwgGgW2BF/VzDeSkzVv9W+Zov2Mkneyubx3ZuFP4NNr7DALwdUev9xyuTKvxM8c8dQ4ePv9dVUMPVaDDYrjeDXS5ke6GXVIJnwmuTlsl8KC4vcm57vSXSCPcE= Message-ID: <66f9cc1e0705060836y6cdad835k9946f9cc0fba0824@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 6 May 2007 17:36:57 +0200 From: "Per Boysen" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: per's puter gig and stuff In-Reply-To: <8C95D8D18843840-132C-601B@WEBMAIL-MC05.sysops.aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_77438_22627373.1178465817368" References: <000601c78f36$a7c15620$1001a8c0@succubus> <66f9cc1e0705051231j79ad1f9cqf9692c646a6a0639@mail.gmail.com> <8C95D8D18843840-132C-601B@WEBMAIL-MC05.sysops.aol.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70004 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 6 May 2007 15:37:00 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_77438_22627373.1178465817368 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Hi Michael, No recording done I'm afraid. It was kind of "Looking For The Unplayed Music" so it wouldn't make conceptual sense to record it ;-)) I played at a two days guitar show so I only brought my fretless telecaster with the acoustic/mechanical Sustainiac C. Picked up two more gigs thanks to people passing by, since I was playing outside the venue and everyone else were playing indoors on a closed "demo stage". But it was freezing cold and damp. That area in Gothenburg is similar to Docklands in London; damp mist creeping at you from the waterside, changing the guitar's tuning and changing how your fingers move move on the fretless board. So I had to adapt to that, which eventually made the music a bit more easy listened. But that was good because my best audience, I learned, were the guitar business people waking up in the neighboring hotel rooms by my early morning noise making. A bringing a continental breakfast disc came out of the hotel entrence to enjoy his breakfast in front of the PA and he told me about this "hidden audience". Rather funny ;-)) (Related OT:) One of the future gigs I were offered is at a zological museum, in the "Mammal Hall". It's full of stuffed dead animals and I was promised that "if I need space for lights and stuff they can even take out the elefant for the event". How crazy is that!!! Anyone tried contact mics on a stuffed african elephant? LOL... per On 5/6/07, nemoguitt@aol.com wrote: > > per.....all guitar, any horns etc.? will we get a listen?.....i played > last nite (fri) and i had a 3 trip schlep from the car.....the fellow > (saxes) running the "gig" came in and looked at my stuff and thought it > was for a d.j.....when i told him it was my kit he was not as excited > as i was!.....i did a good bit of solo looping before the other players > arrived, alto/soprano sax. drummer and ME!.....they insisted that i > play with them, yikes!.....that's more than i can ask for, other people > (suckas) to play with, they were pretty much straight ahead jazzers > and later in the evening a FANTASTIC tuba player came and joined > them.....i did my KLUTTER "all notes are fair game approach to > playing".....seldom if ever had a "key" in mind.....i haven't played > with a horn player in a long time so it was fun to try to duplicate his > lines "beat wise" as well as mad attempts at note for note > duplication.....i had a blast.....i will betcha they NEVER call me back > even thought the folks coming tru the gallery really enjoyed it.....i > totally wish it was recorded, there were a few transendent moments a > least for me.....then the tear down, 3 schleps to car and home.....this > "COMPUTER" thang sounds more and more the direction to take per haps, > yes? no? maybe?.....:)m > > > http://www.myspace.com/klobuchar10 > http://mysite.verizon.net/vzepmeci/ > www.ct-collective.com > > I think that's nothing but fantastic! Total musical freedom :-) Today > I playd an outdoor gig with Laptop and it worked just fine. Excellent > guitar sound from just one laptop, directly lined left/right into the > house PA. Will do a second gig tomorrow, also outdoors. > > > -- > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > www.looproom.com (international) > http://tinyurl.com/2kek7h (latest music release) > http://www.myspace.com/looproom > > ________________________________________________________________________ > AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free > from AOL at AOL.com. > =0 > > -- Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/2kek7h (latest music release) http://www.myspace.com/looproom ------=_Part_77438_22627373.1178465817368 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Hi Michael,

No recording done I'm afraid. It was kind of "L= ooking For The Unplayed Music" so it wouldn't  make  con= ceptual sense to record it ;-))  I played at a two days guitar show so= I only brought my fretless telecaster with the acoustic/mechanical Sustain= iac C. Picked up two more gigs thanks to people passing by, since I was pla= ying outside the venue and everyone else were playing indoors on a closed &= quot;demo stage". But it was freezing cold and damp. That area in Goth= enburg is similar to Docklands in London; damp mist creeping at you from th= e waterside, changing the guitar's tuning and changing how your fingers= move move on the fretless board. So I had to adapt to that, which eventual= ly made the music a bit more easy listened. But that was good because my be= st audience, I learned, were the guitar business people waking up in the ne= ighboring hotel rooms by my early morning noise making. A bringing a contin= ental breakfast disc came out of the hotel entrence to enjoy his breakfast = in front of the PA and he told me about this "hidden audience". R= ather funny ;-))

(Related OT:)
One of the future gigs I were offered is at a zolo= gical museum, in the "Mammal Hall". It's full of stuffed dead= animals and I was promised that "if I need space for lights and stuff= they can even take out the elefant for the event". How crazy is that!= !!  Anyone tried contact mics on a stuffed african elephant? LOL...

per


On 5/6/07, nemoguitt@aol.co= m <nemoguitt@aol.com>= ; wrote:
per.....al= l guitar, any horns etc.? will we get a listen?.....i played
last nite (= fri) and i had a 3 trip schlep from the car.....the fellow
(saxes) running the "gig" came in and looked at my stuff and = thought it
was for a d.j.....when i told him it was my kit he was not as= excited
as i was!.....i did a good bit of solo looping before the other= players
arrived, alto/soprano sax. drummer and ME!.....they insisted that i
= play with them, yikes!.....that's more than i can ask for, other people=
(suckas) to play with, they were pretty much straight  ahead = jazzers
and later in the evening a FANTASTIC tuba player came and joined
the= m.....i did my KLUTTER  "all notes are fair game approach to=
playing".....seldom if ever had a "key" in mind.....i ha= ven't played
with a horn player in a long time so it was fun to try to duplicate his=
lines "beat wise" as well as mad attempts at note for noteduplication.....i had a blast.....i will betcha they NEVER call me back
even thought the folks coming tru the gallery really enjoyed it.....itotally wish it was recorded, there were a few transendent moments a
l= east for me.....then the tear down, 3 schleps to car and home.....this
"COMPUTER" thang sounds more and more the direction to take per h= aps,
yes? no? maybe?.....:)m


http://www.myspace.com/klobuchar10
http://mysite.verizon.net/vzepmeci/
www.ct-collective.com

  I think that's no= thing but fantastic! Total musical freedom :-) Today
I playd an outdoor = gig with Laptop and it worked just fine. Excellent
guitar sound from just one laptop, directly lined left/right into thehouse PA. Will do a second gig tomorrow, also outdoors.


--
= Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
www.boysen.se (Swedish)
www.loop= room.com (international)
http= ://tinyurl.com/2kek7h (latest music release)
http://www.myspace.com/looproom

________________________________= ________________________________________
AOL now offers free email to ev= eryone.  Find out more about what's free
from AOL at AOL.c= om.
=3D0




--
Greetings f= rom Sweden

Per Boysen
www.boysen= .se (Swedish)
www.looproom.com (international)
http://tinyurl.com/2kek7h (la= test music release)
http://w= ww.myspace.com/looproom ------=_Part_77438_22627373.1178465817368-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 6 15:50:01 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D725F3BEFF; Sun, 6 May 2007 15:50:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Sun, 06 May 2007 11:45:05 -0400 From: Bill Fox Subject: Galactic Travels Playlist #526 for April 26, 2007 To: undisclosed-recipients: ; Message-id: <463DF801.3030104@soundscapes.us> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.10 (Windows/20070221) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70005 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 6 May 2007 15:50:01 +0000 (UTC) http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2007/070426.html Galactic Travels is an electronic, ambient, and space music show, that airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA, 93.9 FM in Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ, 93.7 FM in Fogelsville and Trexlertown, and webcasting on the internet. WDIY also broadcasts in Digital HD at 88.1 FM. Show #526 April 26, 2007 RECAP: On this show, I concluded the month-long focus on Jean-Pierre Saccomani. The Featured CD at Midnight was "Voyage Intersideral en Nimbus" on MCP Records. The Vinyl Starter was from the LP "Aqua" by Edgar Froese on Virgin Records and released in 1974. Jean-Pierre Saccomani: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2007/focus.html#apr PLAYLIST: 11:04 pm ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ==================== ==================== ============================== Edgar Froese Panorphelia Aqua (Virgin) Mark Dwane Codex 2012 (Trondant) Deborah Martin and Kyrie Anno Domini (Spotted Peccary) J. Arif Verner Lynn Bechtold Episode Works for Violin and Electronics (none) A Produce It Comes In Waves Land of a Thousand Trances (extended version) [remaster] (Trance Port) Dreamdaze Transistorized Titles Unconnected With Their Veneration Functional Use (none) Dreamdaze Simple Nonlinear Titles Unconnected With Their Melancholic Swirl Functional Use (none) Stars of the Lid The Artificial Pine The Ballasted Orchestra Arch Song (Kranky) 12:00 am ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ==================== ==================== ============================== Jean-Pierre En depassant la Voyage Intersideral en Nimbus Saccomani planete Pluton (MCP) J-P Saccomani Nimbus cosmique Voyage Intersideral ... (MCP) J-P Saccomani A l'approche d'un Voyage Intersideral ... (MCP) trou noire J-P Saccomani Nuages de Magellan Voyage Intersideral ... (MCP) J-P Saccomani L'infini a ses Voyage Intersideral ... (MCP) limites J-P Saccomani Retour vers la Terre Voyage Intersideral ... (MCP) 1:00 am * = excerpt VA = Various Artists (compilation) ++ = Advance CDR from Artist NEXT SHOW: On the next Galactic Travels, I'll begin a month-long focus on Steve Roach. The Featured CD at Midnight will be "Spirit Dome" with Vidna Obmana on Projekt Records. The Vinyl Starter will be from the LP "Albedo 0.39" by Vangelis on RCA Records and released in 1976. Bill ======================================================================= Host of Galactic Travels, an electronic, ambient, and space music show, Thursdays at 11:04 pm EDT (GMT-4:00) on WDIY 88.1 FM in Allentown and Bethlehem, 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg, and on 93.7 FM in Trexlertown and Fogelsville. WDIY also broadcasts in HD Digital Radio on 88.1 FM. Galactic Travels web site - http://wdiy.org/programs/gt RSS News Feed: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/rss/enews.xml Podcasts: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/rss/gt.xml Listen on-line to WDIY at http://wdiy.org and click on the LISTEN link or go directly to: http://rm1.refugemedia.com/ramgen/encoder/wdiy.rm To subscribe to the galactic-travels mailing list, click on [Join This Group!] at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/galactic-travels Playlists are also published at http://billfox.blogspot.com RSS (2.0) feed from http://billfox.blogspot.com/rss.xml Atom (0.3) feed from http://billfox.blogspot.com/atom.xml From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 6 15:55:58 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 60F1D3BF04; Sun, 6 May 2007 15:55:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Sun, 06 May 2007 11:51:06 -0400 From: Bill Fox Subject: Galactic Travels Playlist #527 for May 3, 2007 To: undisclosed-recipients: ; Message-id: <463DF96A.8000105@soundscapes.us> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.10 (Windows/20070221) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70006 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 6 May 2007 15:55:58 +0000 (UTC) http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2007/070503.html Galactic Travels is an electronic, ambient, and space music show, that airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA, 93.9 FM in Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ, 93.7 FM in Fogelsville and Trexlertown, and webcasting on the internet. WDIY also broadcasts in Digital HD at 88.1 FM. Show #527 May 3, 2007 RECAP: On this show, I started a month-long focus on Steve Roach. The Featured CD at Midnight was "Spirit Dome" with vidnaObmana on Projekt Records. The Vinyl Starter was from the LP "Albedo 0.39" by Vangelis on RCA Records and released in 1976. PLAYLIST: 11:04 pm ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ==================== ==================== ============================== Vangelis Pulstar Albedo 0.39 (RCA) Jeff Greinke The Long Road Home Winter Light (Lotuspike) Henry J. Walmsley Droit Alert Colossus (none) Hoffmann-Hoock and Swarmandel Conundrum (DiN) Wosteinrich vidnaObmana IV The Bowing Harmony (Projekt) Numina Arrival To Nowhere Shift to the Ghost (Hypnos) 12:00 am ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ==================== ==================== ============================== Steve Roach and Part 1 Spirit Dome (Projekt) vidnaObmana S.R. and vO Part 2 Spirit Dome (Projekt) S.R. and vO Part 3 Spirit Dome (Projekt) S.R. and vO Part 4 Spirit Dome (Projekt) S.R. and vO Part 5 Spirit Dome (Projekt) S.R. and vO Part 6 Spirit Dome (Projekt) S.R. and vO Part 7 * Spirit Dome (Projekt) 1:00 am * = excerpt VA = Various Artists (compilation) ++ = Advance CDR from Artist NEXT SHOW: On the next Galactic Travels, I'll continue the month-long focus on Steve Roach. The Featured CD at Midnight will be "Day Out of Time" on Projekt Records. The Vinyl Starter will be from the LP "Tibetan Bells II" by Henry Wolf and Nancy Hennings on Celectial Harmonies Records and released in 1981. Bill ======================================================================= Host of Galactic Travels, an electronic, ambient, and space music show, Thursdays at 11:04 pm EDT (GMT-4:00) on WDIY 88.1 FM in Allentown and Bethlehem, 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg, and on 93.7 FM in Trexlertown and Fogelsville. WDIY also broadcasts in HD Digital Radio on 88.1 FM. Galactic Travels web site - http://wdiy.org/programs/gt RSS News Feed: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/rss/enews.xml Podcasts: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/rss/gt.xml Listen on-line to WDIY at http://wdiy.org and click on the LISTEN link or go directly to: http://rm1.refugemedia.com/ramgen/encoder/wdiy.rm To subscribe to the galactic-travels mailing list, click on [Join This Group!] at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/galactic-travels Playlists are also published at http://billfox.blogspot.com RSS (2.0) feed from http://billfox.blogspot.com/rss.xml Atom (0.3) feed from http://billfox.blogspot.com/atom.xml From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 6 16:36:34 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B39AF3BEF4; Sun, 6 May 2007 16:36:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Sun, 06 May 2007 12:31:51 -0400 From: Bill Fox Subject: Galactic Travels Monthly Top 20 Report for April, 2007 To: undisclosed-recipients: ; Message-id: <463E02F7.5080403@soundscapes.us> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.10 (Windows/20070221) Resent-Message-ID: <6x3ggC.A.5n.SQgPGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70007 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 6 May 2007 16:36:34 +0000 (UTC) http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2007/top20apr.html WDIY 88.1 FM "Galactic Travels" Top 20 for April, 2007. Shows #523 to #526; 5-April-2007 to 26-April-2007 Reported in non-ranked, alphanumeric order. Compiled by Bill Fox website: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt RSS News Feed: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/rss/enews.xml Podcasts: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/rss/podcasts.xml ARTIST - ALBUM TITLE - LABEL =========================================================== A Produce - Land of a Thousand Trances [remaster] - Trance Port As Lonely As Dave - POD - Projekt Dave Brewer and Free System Projekt - Okefenokee 2000 - Ricochet Dream Deborah Martin and J. Arif Verner - Anno Domini - Spotted Peccary Dreamdaze - This Is How Flat the World Is - none Dreamdaze - Titles Unconnected With Their Functional Use - none Fulton-Reaves - The Range - Hypnos/Binary Ian Boddy - Elemental - DiN Jean-Pierre Saccomani - Music for Time - MCP Jean-Pierre Saccomani - The Four Seasons - MCP Jean-Pierre Saccomani - Voyage Intersideral en Nimbus - MCP Mark Dwane - 2012 - Trondant O Yuki Conjugate - Equator - Soleilmoon Palancar - Ambient Train Wreck Series Volume Two - Blue Water Saccomani and Berthelot - Equilibre Thermique de l'igloo en phase de font - MCP Stars of the Lid - The Ballasted Orchestra - Kranky Terje Winther - Trespasser - Bajkal Various Artists - Sequences No.32 - Emma William Edge - Kaleidoscope - none ['ramp] - Looking Back in Anger - doombient Bill ======================================================================= Host of Galactic Travels, an electronic, ambient, and space music show, Thursdays at 11:04 pm EDT (GMT-4:00) on WDIY 88.1 FM in Allentown and Bethlehem, 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg, and on 93.7 FM in Trexlertown and Fogelsville. WDIY also broadcasts in HD Digital Radio on 88.1 FM. Galactic Travels web site - http://wdiy.org/programs/gt RSS News Feed: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/rss/enews.xml Podcasts: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/rss/gt.xml Listen on-line to WDIY at http://wdiy.org and click on the LISTEN link or go directly to: http://rm1.refugemedia.com/ramgen/encoder/wdiy.rm To subscribe to the galactic-travels mailing list, click on [Join This Group!] at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/galactic-travels Playlists are also published at http://billfox.blogspot.com RSS (2.0) feed from http://billfox.blogspot.com/rss.xml Atom (0.3) feed from http://billfox.blogspot.com/atom.xml From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 6 17:21:44 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DEB943BEE2; Sun, 6 May 2007 17:21:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=aGaceQW9fCzhdYZNJfKK6c2q8YWJecbmG/Pi8rLoZWLs9vlsHwj9AhpBUufu2LOOVQHfkRdz6dS6a0sEZw5ql/0ZbK3MXqBEMeJmg1oM87+ohsjFLu0Xy3sGixjFY1L3cq0rgVlQ6lMFME5BeOnl6fcbwN52hQMXu/EqpCv33Tc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=moZXAFGnGUVWkLzBo+PCk6WkzWdYAWz+Txg8t8060IdbPtzZoB52eonheE4NQ/maUSn4rBSuyQtvtIB7tIMUarSHdtqZW6u3L816GhJYhdkbWWJ8aS8aozZARmS714h6hrn4yMC+WASmnH90CNlv5aJevqW1HdDYwupDWjYlOzk= Message-ID: Date: Sun, 6 May 2007 10:21:41 -0700 From: "Travis Hartnett" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Echoplex loop IV question input level setting In-Reply-To: <050620071420.10114.463DE41200050D730000278222155670740A040407909C050A0A99@comcast.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <050620071420.10114.463DE41200050D730000278222155670740A040407909C050A0A99@comcast.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70008 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 6 May 2007 17:21:44 +0000 (UTC) The level indicated by the feedback and level lights seems to be somewhat frequency dependent, and I used to have troubles freaking out the EDP when I was using a lot of double-octave up pitch shifting. What you want to listen for is undesired distortion and figure out if that's happening whenever the LED goes orange or what. TravisH On 5/6/07, weeksville@comcast.net wrote: > > Now I've noticed that when recording, the feedback input light detects the > input signal hotter than the actual input light (ie when the input light is > just good and constant green the feedback light is yellow) Didn't notice > this with the loop III. Should I sue the feedback light as my gauge to set > my levels? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 6 17:21:48 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1B6D93BEFF; Sun, 6 May 2007 17:21:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <000601c78f36$a7c15620$1001a8c0@succubus> <66f9cc1e0705051231j79ad1f9cqf9692c646a6a0639@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 6 May 2007 12:21:39 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Mech Subject: Re: AW: Foot timing, syncing loops with Ableton Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <__1ONB.A.dwC.r6gPGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70009 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 6 May 2007 17:21:48 +0000 (UTC) At 9:44 AM -0400 5/6/07, Jesse Chappell wrote: >On 5/5/07, Mech wrote: >>And I've toyed with the idea of coding together a basic audio >>Looper inside Bidule. > >Just out of curiosity, what salient features are you missing from the >existing mac loopers to make you want to build your own? Oh, don't worry Jesse, I'm not looking to disparage the products that are already out there. It's not so much missing features as a matter of curiosity, and my own education. First, it was so darn easy to hack together a MIDI Looper in Bidule, that my next thought was: "well, if I just swap out the MIDI modules with audio modules, will I have a similar audio Looper?". Doing that also gives a bit of insight into how conventional Loopers are put together, and how to better use/twist them for what I'd like to do. Heck, I don't even know if it would work, but I'd probably learn something from the experiment! Next, even though Bidule does support AU/VST's in its layouts, there's still an attraction to "staying native" -- using only Bidule widgets to accomplish what you want, and benefiting from the (perceived) performance optimization. I guess it's the same as asking whether you'd rather code your own Looper inside MAX/MSP or use one that already exists. Different people have different preferences. Finally, one feature that *would* be inherent in a Bidule layout that isn't easily implemented in existing products: modularity. For instance, in just the short span of time I was tweaking my MIDI Looper I came across a function that wouldn't be readily available in an off-the-shelf product. This is the ability to pull the various taps out of the feedback loop and effect each one individually. If one had the capability to do something like, say, leave the original signal dry, then transpose the first tap up a whole tone with an added minor, then have every subsequent repeat time-stretched down a fifth and buried in a reverb soup... well, it's possible to do some really wicked stuff. But, overall, there's a bunch of stuff that becomes possible in a modular design that isn't apparent or even possible in a fixed unit. The flexibility in the architecture allows you to discover things you might not have thought about ahead of time. As I stated up top, though, I'm not trying to put down any of the wonderful work you or the other developers have contributed to the field. New architectures can result in new musical directions. That's all I'm looking for. :) --m. -- _____ "I want to keep you alive so there is always the possibility of murder... later" From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 6 18:33:04 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 591EC3BEF3; Sun, 6 May 2007 18:33:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <463E1F5D.7030008@mhorse.com> Date: Sun, 06 May 2007 13:33:01 -0500 From: Daryl Shawn User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.10 (Windows/20070221) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: OT (very): Rush Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <0S15SB.A.X-F.g9hPGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70010 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 6 May 2007 18:33:04 +0000 (UTC) oh god, I really hesitate to write this (by which rules I probably should not even be writing). But I know there are loads of prog fans in this community, so just wanted to offer my opinion that Rush's new record is freakin' GREAT. It's their first album in 15-plus years that I find myself compelled to listen to more than a couple of times. I've always admired them for persevering, and there's usually a song or two on the records that is interesting, but in general I've found the band samey and tiresome for a long, long time - overcomposed, overproduced and often overplayed. This new recording, though, is varied, dynamic, and relatively restrained...and critically, is NOT a contender for the worst example of mastering over-compression abuse. pardonnez-moi, Daryl Shawn www.swanwelder.com www.chinapaintingmusic.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 6 18:51:53 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 45F6A3BEF0; Sun, 6 May 2007 18:51:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Mark Hamburg Subject: Re: 30 minute loopfest performance format Date: Sun, 6 May 2007 11:53:59 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.0 required=1.0 tests=none autolearn=disabled version=3.1.7 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.7 (2006-10-05) on mail.cruzio.com Resent-Message-ID: <0U9MzC.A.AAH.IPiPGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70011 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 6 May 2007 18:51:53 +0000 (UTC) On 22 Apr 2007, at 2:35 PM, Matt Davignon wrote: > I'm with Rick on this one. Yes, with two very long days of back to > back 30 minute sets, it's impossible to see everything. You just don't have enough dedication... Still need to get through those 3000 photos from Y2K6... Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 6 18:58:15 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 76BC03BEEA; Sun, 6 May 2007 18:58:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <07e701c79010$7a23c6f0$25b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: Subject: Re: 30 minute loopfest performance format Date: Sun, 6 May 2007 12:58:03 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70012 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 6 May 2007 18:58:15 +0000 (UTC) Ah yes, nice Mark...and don't forget the mastering of over 30 hours of recorded music files, hours of posting to the web, uploading, etc. :) It makes playing a back to back 30 minutes set like a walk through the park. Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Hamburg" To: Sent: Sunday, May 06, 2007 12:53 PM Subject: Re: 30 minute loopfest performance format > On 22 Apr 2007, at 2:35 PM, Matt Davignon wrote: > >> I'm with Rick on this one. Yes, with two very long days of back to back >> 30 minute sets, it's impossible to see everything. > > You just don't have enough dedication... Still need to get through those > 3000 photos from Y2K6... > > Mark > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 6 19:51:16 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 283133BEF0; Sun, 6 May 2007 19:51:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com In-Reply-To: <07e701c79010$7a23c6f0$25b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> References: <07e701c79010$7a23c6f0$25b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <9F2CCA86-F35E-48D0-81F9-3B6C5B841421@baymoon.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Mark Hamburg Subject: Re: 30 minute loopfest performance format Date: Sun, 6 May 2007 12:46:26 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.0 required=1.0 tests=none autolearn=disabled version=3.1.7 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.7 (2006-10-05) on mail.cruzio.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70013 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 6 May 2007 19:51:15 +0000 (UTC) On 6 May 2007, at 11:58 AM, Krispen Hartung wrote: > Ah yes, nice Mark...and don't forget the mastering of over 30 hours > of recorded music files, hours of posting to the web, uploading, > etc. :) It makes playing a back to back 30 minutes set like a > walk through the park. I thought about saying something about your work as well -- and you are well ahead of me on the post-production side. Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 6 19:51:18 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0E6103BF02; Sun, 6 May 2007 19:51:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: References: <200705052140.l45LeOrJ051176@mail.cruzio.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Mark Hamburg Subject: Re: Guitar Player magazine: Looper's Paradise Date: Sun, 6 May 2007 12:52:18 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.0 required=1.0 tests=none autolearn=disabled version=3.1.7 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.7 (2006-10-05) on mail.cruzio.com Resent-Message-ID: <0h-p0D.A.PRC.1GjPGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70014 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 6 May 2007 19:51:18 +0000 (UTC) I don't have my copy yet either, but the pictures are probably all in the following gallery: http://www.grubmah.com/y2k6/guitarists/ Full photo coverage of Y2K6 yet to come. Sorry. Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 6 19:59:20 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C75A93BEEA; Sun, 6 May 2007 19:59:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <083e01c79019$07835c60$25b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <200705052140.l45LeOrJ051176@mail.cruzio.com> Subject: Re: Guitar Player magazine: Looper's Paradise Date: Sun, 6 May 2007 13:59:16 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70015 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 6 May 2007 19:59:20 +0000 (UTC) I'm still amazed by the quality of your photos, Mark. I like the set that you did with the brown-orange like tint...I think it was Saturday evening? It may have been the lights. Not sure. Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Hamburg" To: Sent: Sunday, May 06, 2007 1:52 PM Subject: Re: Guitar Player magazine: Looper's Paradise >I don't have my copy yet either, but the pictures are probably all in the >following gallery: > > http://www.grubmah.com/y2k6/guitarists/ > > Full photo coverage of Y2K6 yet to come. Sorry. > > Mark > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 6 20:05:09 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 747BB3BEF4; Sun, 6 May 2007 20:05:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <463E34EF.1060002@mhorse.com> Date: Sun, 06 May 2007 15:05:03 -0500 From: Daryl Shawn User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.10 (Windows/20070221) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Guitar Player magazine: Looper's Paradise References: <200705052140.l45LeOrJ051176@mail.cruzio.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <65KkgD.A.KOD.1TjPGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70016 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 6 May 2007 20:05:09 +0000 (UTC) Those are all FANTASTIC shots. hope you'll be shooting this year too! Daryl Shawn www.swanwelder.com www.chinapaintingmusic.com > http://www.grubmah.com/y2k6/guitarists/ > > Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 6 21:07:44 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7A2653BEF9; Sun, 6 May 2007 21:07:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com In-Reply-To: <083e01c79019$07835c60$25b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> References: <200705052140.l45LeOrJ051176@mail.cruzio.com> <083e01c79019$07835c60$25b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Mark Hamburg Subject: Re: Guitar Player magazine: Looper's Paradise Date: Sun, 6 May 2007 14:06:51 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.0 required=1.0 tests=none autolearn=disabled version=3.1.7 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.7 (2006-10-05) on mail.cruzio.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70017 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 6 May 2007 21:07:44 +0000 (UTC) Thanks. That would be the lights. I haven't played color games with these. Mark On 6 May 2007, at 12:59 PM, Krispen Hartung wrote: > I'm still amazed by the quality of your photos, Mark. I like the > set that you did with the brown-orange like tint...I think it was > Saturday evening? It may have been the lights. Not sure. > > Kris > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Hamburg" > > To: > Sent: Sunday, May 06, 2007 1:52 PM > Subject: Re: Guitar Player magazine: Looper's Paradise > > >> I don't have my copy yet either, but the pictures are probably all >> in the following gallery: >> >> http://www.grubmah.com/y2k6/guitarists/ >> >> Full photo coverage of Y2K6 yet to come. Sorry. >> >> Mark >> > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 6 21:07:45 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 506D43BF00; Sun, 6 May 2007 21:07:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <463E34EF.1060002@mhorse.com> References: <200705052140.l45LeOrJ051176@mail.cruzio.com> <463E34EF.1060002@mhorse.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <0153596B-C5B4-40D5-B835-F649D8DFF0D8@baymoon.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Mark Hamburg Subject: Re: Guitar Player magazine: Looper's Paradise Date: Sun, 6 May 2007 14:08:27 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.0 required=1.0 tests=none autolearn=disabled version=3.1.7 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.7 (2006-10-05) on mail.cruzio.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70018 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 6 May 2007 21:07:45 +0000 (UTC) Please note that Donna Powell gets credit for many of these as well. The photo generally says who took the shot. Mark On 6 May 2007, at 1:05 PM, Daryl Shawn wrote: > Those are all FANTASTIC shots. hope you'll be shooting this year too! > > Daryl Shawn > www.swanwelder.com > www.chinapaintingmusic.com >> http://www.grubmah.com/y2k6/guitarists/ >> >> Mark > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 6 21:17:28 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0F5823BEFC; Sun, 6 May 2007 21:17:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "nick@12testing.net" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, "Per Boysen" Date: Sun, 06 May 2007 22:17:04 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: fripp on youtube Reply-To: nick@12testing.net Message-ID: <463E53E0.24464.22C0406@nick.12testing.net> Priority: normal In-reply-to: <66f9cc1e0705051231j79ad1f9cqf9692c646a6a0639@mail.gmail.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.31) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body Resent-Message-ID: <5zSSxC.A.UfG.nXkPGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70019 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 6 May 2007 21:17:27 +0000 (UTC) found this http://youtube.com/watch?v=klnog_IKzTM purports to be frippertronics, but seems to be Fripp soloing over a prerecorded tape. Still worth watching... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 6 21:26:58 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4DFC63BEAB; Sun, 6 May 2007 21:26:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com In-Reply-To: References: <200705052140.l45LeOrJ051176@mail.cruzio.com> <083e01c79019$07835c60$25b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <12E7C726-6824-4F1D-BF4E-A09EC427895F@baymoon.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Mark Hamburg Subject: Re: Guitar Player magazine: Looper's Paradise Date: Sun, 6 May 2007 14:29:03 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.0 required=1.0 tests=none autolearn=disabled version=3.1.7 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.7 (2006-10-05) on mail.cruzio.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70020 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 6 May 2007 21:26:58 +0000 (UTC) A much less sorted gallery stemming from the requests for more gear shots. (GP does stand for "gear porn", doesn't it?) http://www.grubmah.com/y2k6/gear_porn/ And more shots of Genie. Similarly subject to less sorting: http://www.grubmah.com/y2k6/more_genie/ Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 6 21:28:24 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4FA9E3BEFF; Sun, 6 May 2007 21:28:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <463E4877.9070105@biink.com> Date: Sun, 06 May 2007 17:28:23 -0400 From: David Beardsley Reply-To: db@biink.com Organization: Biink & SSI User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2 (Windows/20050317) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Guitar Player magazine: Looper's Paradise References: <200705052140.l45LeOrJ051176@mail.cruzio.com> <083e01c79019$07835c60$25b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <12E7C726-6824-4F1D-BF4E-A09EC427895F@baymoon.com> In-Reply-To: <12E7C726-6824-4F1D-BF4E-A09EC427895F@baymoon.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <6y8HYB.A.KIH.4hkPGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70021 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 6 May 2007 21:28:24 +0000 (UTC) Mark Hamburg wrote: > A much less sorted gallery stemming from the requests for more gear > shots. (GP does stand for "gear porn", doesn't it?) > Guitar Porn. Silly rabbit. -- * David Beardsley * microtonal guitar * http://biink.com/db From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 7 03:49:46 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 599B03BEF4; Mon, 7 May 2007 03:49:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=sbcglobal.net; h=Received:X-YMail-OSG:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:User-Agent:MIME-Version:To:Subject:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=RJM61ZZ/nbg74lzc6nRjIran2WjZizIOXqlryayyi3hDX7jyG2z5xUg+FAZJVdX9d3EElmhXmtTSILDC98k0HHShhVIhXvr3Co4U8EuCFyTrWtoMYroJPp7LEfK2Zl/nvicG7xeATbIRagLCBwAOzowKfwvTar4ljlIWOGwyz0Y= ; X-YMail-OSG: cSPJqYoVM1lC3KcxBxr5kxZ9A.2kZLAH5GvNxMMGRugM0OrR Message-ID: <463EA1A5.9020004@sbcglobal.net> Date: Sun, 06 May 2007 22:48:53 -0500 From: Michael Yoder Reply-To: msyoder2007@sbcglobal.net User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.8 (Macintosh/20061025) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Looping tracks with digital hard disk recorders Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <_hrO-D.A.TV.aHqPGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70022 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 7 May 2007 03:49:46 +0000 (UTC) Dear Loopers, HELP!!!! I recently purchased a Tascam DP-01 Portastudio 8-channel hard disk recorder for the purpose of editing 2-track analogue recordings of my jazz duo (trumpet and bass + Line6 DL4) and of my solo bass recordings involving bass + looper + stereo reverb. My objective is to take the best sections (approx. 1 to 4 minutes) and "loop" them, then add additional instruments on remaining tracks. I looked at pdf files of owners manuals of various brands of digital recorders and found the Tascam DP-01 (8-track Portastudio) to be the most intuitive for editing. I bought one through mail order, but am disappointed. It is indeed very easy to establish start and stop points of portions of tracks to be looped, and to designate the number of times the portion is repeated. But what occurs is an audible "click" or "pop" at the point where the loop stops and re-starts. Even when I delete a one-second segment that contains the click/pop, a new click/pop appears! My question is this: is it the nature of digital recording, or is it a problem with that particular recorder (Tascam DP-01)? My intuition is that it is the nature of digital recording in general, but I admit that I may be wrong because my experience lies almost purely in analogue, save for mastering analogue recordings to digital (CD-R). I am planning to return the Tascam, but am wondering if I should try another brand of digital recorder (Boss BR-600 or Fostex MR8 MkII or Fostex MR8HD), or would these produce the same problem? Interestingly, My Line 6 DL4 does not produce such pops, nor does my old DOD 4-second loop pedal. Many thanks for your opinions! Michael Yoder Ambient Jazz Duo From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 7 05:06:02 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 582D13BEE9; Mon, 7 May 2007 05:06:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: AW: 30 minute loopfest performance format Date: Mon, 7 May 2007 07:06:14 +0200 Organization: Moinlabs Message-ID: <000801c79065$6ff592d0$1001a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <9F2CCA86-F35E-48D0-81F9-3B6C5B841421@baymoon.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Thread-Index: AceQF+hWgNEZBxUiTXqbTYyXA9n0DAATUptA X-RZG-AUTH: lUESeo99iNzPL8kuBgLYdKEqUywq9cxqeRA+BtFcSCD5deQ7OIWBSW8z X-RZG-CLASS-ID: mo07 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70023 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 7 May 2007 05:06:02 +0000 (UTC) Well, the performers didn't get a CD with a recording of their performance right after they left the stage, so that really put you in the lead...thanks again Mark, for showing us how professional photography works in the 21st century, and thanks for your effort! Rainer > I thought about saying something about your work as well -- > and you are well ahead of me on the post-production side. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 7 05:16:02 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3C2873BEF4; Mon, 7 May 2007 05:16:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <002801c79066$ce08b6d0$6b01a8c0@DTT60> From: "Dave Trenkel" To: References: <200704291452312.SM02676@quahome> Subject: Re: Boise Experimental Music Festival Streaming Live Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 12:53:15 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Spam-Score: 1.238 (*) DATE_IN_PAST_96_XX X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.39 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70024 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 7 May 2007 05:16:02 +0000 (UTC) I'd be down to participate and/or help organize something like this... ----- Original Message ----- From: "tEd ® kiLLiAn" To: Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2007 8:44 PM Subject: Re: Boise Experimental Music Festival Streaming Live > Nice meetin' ya there Qua. > > I guess there's enought of us Oregonians now that we should perhaps think > of an Oregon Looping Festival. > > Maybe we could hold it at the Oregon Vortex or sumthin" . . . > > Stay in touch. > > Best regards, > > Ted Killian > > On Apr 29, 2007, at 2:48 PM, Qua Veda wrote: > >> I attended the Festival - all but Thurs eve. Congratulations and thanks >> to >> Kris for hosting and organizing it! And thanks to all the artists. A >> great show ! >> >> -Qua >> > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 7 10:23:04 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2DEED3BEF4; Mon, 7 May 2007 10:23:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <016501c79091$a0fc5ea0$e701a8c0@pcfabio> Reply-To: "e t e r o g e n e o" From: "e t e r o g e n e o" To: References: <66f9cc1e0705031103j35b047cfida25eff9acde179c@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: Li Fi Lazer - free album online! Date: Mon, 7 May 2007 12:22:30 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0160_01C790A2.61EC0D30" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Spam-Rating: smtp5.aruba.it 1.6.2 0/1000/N Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70025 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 7 May 2007 10:23:04 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0160_01C790A2.61EC0D30 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I'm enjoying it. 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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 7 13:45:51 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B01163BEEA; Mon, 7 May 2007 13:45:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Mon, 07 May 2007 09:49:53 -0400 From: Warren Sirota Subject: EM2007 In-reply-to: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <024601c790ae$96f9a1c0$0302a8c0@Lightning> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6822 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Thread-index: AceQAxG5taedktSLTNWCfF+XTRLtswAqoIiA Resent-Message-ID: <-SHRKC.A.mDB.P2yPGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70026 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 7 May 2007 13:45:51 +0000 (UTC) For those of us on the US east coast, we have EM2007 coming up in Philly in the first week of June (http://event.electro-music.com/) and it promises to be wonderfully diverse and jam-packed with performers. I've got a half-hour in one of the theaters, and a 2-hour installation in a gallery (it's in an art museum). I can't wait to meet all sorts of new musical friends. Plus, there are numerous open and semi-organized jams. It's a big venue, I guess - there seem to be about 4 things happening at any one time. Is anyone else from LD planning to attend or perform? Best wishes, Warren Sirota > -----Original Message----- > From: Mech [mailto:mech@m3ch.net] > Sent: Sunday, May 06, 2007 1:22 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: AW: Foot timing, syncing loops with Ableton > > > At 9:44 AM -0400 5/6/07, Jesse Chappell wrote: > >On 5/5/07, Mech wrote: > >>And I've toyed with the idea of coding together a basic > audio Looper > >>inside Bidule. > > > >Just out of curiosity, what salient features are you missing > from the > >existing mac loopers to make you want to build your own? > > Oh, don't worry Jesse, I'm not looking to disparage the products that > are already out there. It's not so much missing features as a matter > of curiosity, and my own education. > > First, it was so darn easy to hack together a MIDI Looper in Bidule, > that my next thought was: "well, if I just swap out the MIDI modules > with audio modules, will I have a similar audio Looper?". Doing that > also gives a bit of insight into how conventional Loopers are put > together, and how to better use/twist them for what I'd like to do. > Heck, I don't even know if it would work, but I'd probably learn > something from the experiment! > > Next, even though Bidule does support AU/VST's in its layouts, > there's still an attraction to "staying native" -- using only Bidule > widgets to accomplish what you want, and benefiting from the > (perceived) performance optimization. I guess it's the same as > asking whether you'd rather code your own Looper inside MAX/MSP or > use one that already exists. Different people have different > preferences. > > Finally, one feature that *would* be inherent in a Bidule layout that > isn't easily implemented in existing products: modularity. For > instance, in just the short span of time I was tweaking my MIDI > Looper I came across a function that wouldn't be readily available in > an off-the-shelf product. This is the ability to pull the various > taps out of the feedback loop and effect each one individually. If > one had the capability to do something like, say, leave the original > signal dry, then transpose the first tap up a whole tone with an > added minor, then have every subsequent repeat time-stretched down a > fifth and buried in a reverb soup... well, it's possible to do some > really wicked stuff. > > But, overall, there's a bunch of stuff that becomes possible in a > modular design that isn't apparent or even possible in a fixed unit. > The flexibility in the architecture allows you to discover things you > might not have thought about ahead of time. > > As I stated up top, though, I'm not trying to put down any of the > wonderful work you or the other developers have contributed to the > field. New architectures can result in new musical directions. > That's all I'm looking for. :) > > --m. > -- > _____ > "I want to keep you alive so there is always the possibility of > murder... later" > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 7 13:45:59 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A5EF03BF04; Mon, 7 May 2007 13:45:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Mon, 07 May 2007 09:49:53 -0400 From: Warren Sirota Subject: RE: AW: Foot timing, syncing loops with Ableton In-reply-to: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <024701c790ae$97293d40$0302a8c0@Lightning> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6822 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Thread-index: AceQAxG5taedktSLTNWCfF+XTRLtswAqUyCw Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70027 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 7 May 2007 13:45:59 +0000 (UTC) > Finally, one feature that *would* be inherent in a Bidule layout that > isn't easily implemented in existing products: modularity. For > instance, in just the short span of time I was tweaking my MIDI > Looper I came across a function that wouldn't be readily available in > an off-the-shelf product.... > But, overall, there's a bunch of stuff that becomes possible in a > modular design that isn't apparent or even possible in a fixed unit. > The flexibility in the architecture allows you to discover things you > might not have thought about ahead of time. This is exactly why I wrote my looper in MAX. I always seem to want something different (like ending a first loop record with a threshold-detection mechanism) than what is in the box. Putting together a modular system can be work, even if you're not using a very fine-grained, programming-intensive system like MAX. But it has always been my feeling with electronic instruments that a least a moderate investment in tweaking the presets is as essential an element as any instrumental skills you might put into mastering it. Ditto in spades for comnputer music systems. Warren From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 7 13:58:38 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id ECDD33BEF3; Mon, 7 May 2007 13:58:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <002801c79066$ce08b6d0$6b01a8c0@DTT60> References: <200704291452312.SM02676@quahome> <002801c79066$ce08b6d0$6b01a8c0@DTT60> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <91290232c538ed6eadc9d083dd8bc868@charter.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?tEd_=AE_kiLLiAn?= Subject: Re: Boise Experimental Music Festival Streaming Live Date: Mon, 7 May 2007 07:59:11 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) X-Chzlrs: 0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70028 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 7 May 2007 13:58:37 +0000 (UTC) Hi Dave, It's unclear at this point if it will ever actually happen. But, it is something I have thought about for a long time. We're sort of spread out geographically which makes it hard. Medford (where I am) certainly isn't a cultural center of any sort. The mention of the "Vortex" was more joke than serious suggestion. But let's stay in touch anyway -- something may happen eventually. 11-eyes (or whatever other band you're involved in) would be prime candidates and the first people I'd ask. Best regards, Ted Killian On Apr 30, 2007, at 12:53 PM, Dave Trenkel wrote: > I'd be down to participate and/or help organize something like this... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 7 14:18:10 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B1A4A3BEF9; Mon, 7 May 2007 14:18:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=2yq+zJAHZfKKNTQIRKwSbI16gYJpvXsirCEwbbC5a8yU2dboVw6etFaosj+47Sa4FrgagOVlH9lqtNyEcpnq7cqab9qVtdJ4NTrK7gtJ0COqSkmRe+HmCio8n7l/j1/TaJ0INU3+bEUD/3/cH6hlyk2ciDxEZ87fGPzCDYmgeFQ=; X-YMail-OSG: T88jMOQVM1lxpUJLTj1kYcm37rnsF_MHTHO4mRntSokDqGBsv2L.Zf9Uh5Xnz_I.UwsjjxLr4I5QAYIrotHWJWqINE9NRO2YQs7cRDkK7u3D1EpZNU0R8F5Wxuus9A-- Date: Mon, 7 May 2007 07:18:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Paul Richards Subject: Re: Guitar Player magazine: Looper's Paradise To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <004201c78eb2$5b959100$9715be18@oemcomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1670581686-1178547488=:40727" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <309434.40727.qm@web35114.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70029 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 7 May 2007 14:18:10 +0000 (UTC) --0-1670581686-1178547488=:40727 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit What do you mean: (Guitar One magazine just shut down )? I didn't hear anything about this. Paul Douglas Baldwin wrote: Y'all gotta check out the latest Guitar Player magazine. Y2K6 gets a two page spread! Big pix of Bill Walker, Krispen Hartung, Carl Weingarten, the hands of Lucio Menegon and hair of Joe Rut, His Holiness Kim Flint, Ted Killian and, looking very relaxed on table Strat, The Genie. Superstars! And there's a nice juicy interview with David Torn discussing Prezens and his Tornipulator guitar. Let us all sing the praises of Guitar Player editor Barry Cleveland, who authored both pieces! Barry, please put in a good word for me with Michael Molenda - Guitar One magazine just shut down and I am frantically searching for a new writing gig. Love and loopage, Douglas Baldwin, coyote-at-large www.thecoyote.org coyotelk@optonline.net "Let these minutes and hours Show my mind strange new flowers" - Jackson Browne --------------------------------- Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell? Check outnew cars at Yahoo! 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What do you mean:
 
(Guitar One magazine just shut down )?
 
I didn't hear anything about this.
 
Paul

Douglas Baldwin <coyotelk@optonline.net> wrote:
Y'all gotta check out the latest Guitar Player magazine. Y2K6 gets a two
page spread! Big pix of Bill Walker, Krispen Hartung, Carl Weingarten, the
hands of Lucio Menegon and hair of Joe Rut, His Holiness Kim Flint, Ted
Killian and, looking very relaxed on table Strat, The Genie.
Superstars!
And there's a nice juicy interview with David Torn discussing Prezens and
his Tornipulator guitar.

Let us all sing the praises of Guitar Player editor Barry Cleveland, who
authored both pieces!

Barry, please put in a good word for me with Michael Molenda - Guitar One
magazine just shut down and I am frantically searching for a new writing
gig.

Love and loopage,
Douglas Baldwin, coyote-at-large
www.thecoyote.org
coyotelk@optonline.net

"Let these minutes and hours
Show my mind strange new flowers"
- Jackson Browne


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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 7 16:15:38 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5D14F3BEF5; Mon, 7 May 2007 16:15:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <005e01c790c2$f143b530$2cb0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <200704291452312.SM02676@quahome> <002801c79066$ce08b6d0$6b01a8c0@DTT60> Subject: Re: Boise Experimental Music Festival Streaming Live Date: Mon, 7 May 2007 10:15:33 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70030 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 7 May 2007 16:15:38 +0000 (UTC) Portland area wine country comes to mind... Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Trenkel" To: Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 1:53 PM Subject: Re: Boise Experimental Music Festival Streaming Live > I'd be down to participate and/or help organize something like this... > >> Nice meetin' ya there Qua. >> >> I guess there's enought of us Oregonians now that we should perhaps think >> of an Oregon Looping Festival. >> >> Maybe we could hold it at the Oregon Vortex or sumthin" . . . >> >> Stay in touch. >> >> Best regards, >> >> Ted Killian >> >> On Apr 29, 2007, at 2:48 PM, Qua Veda wrote: >> >>> I attended the Festival - all but Thurs eve. Congratulations and >>> thanks to >>> Kris for hosting and organizing it! And thanks to all the artists. A >>> great show ! >>> >>> -Qua >>> >> >> > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 7 16:18:29 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 023993BEE1; Mon, 7 May 2007 16:18:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <007201c790c3$57c836f0$2cb0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <000801c79065$6ff592d0$1001a8c0@succubus> Subject: Re: 30 minute loopfest performance format Date: Mon, 7 May 2007 10:18:25 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Resent-Message-ID: <350z4.A.5c.UF1PGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70031 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 7 May 2007 16:18:28 +0000 (UTC) Is that a hint, Rainer? :) Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Sent: Sunday, May 06, 2007 11:06 PM Subject: AW: 30 minute loopfest performance format > Well, the performers didn't get a CD with a recording of their performance > right after they left the stage, so that really put you in the > lead...thanks > again Mark, for showing us how professional photography works in the 21st > century, and thanks for your effort! > > Rainer > >> I thought about saying something about your work as well -- >> and you are well ahead of me on the post-production side. > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 7 22:01:12 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2C27C3BEF9; Mon, 7 May 2007 22:01:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <00db01c790f3$36d415b0$2cb0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <200705052140.l45LeOrJ051176@mail.cruzio.com> <083e01c79019$07835c60$25b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <12E7C726-6824-4F1D-BF4E-A09EC427895F@baymoon.com> Subject: Re: Guitar Player magazine: Looper's Paradise Date: Mon, 7 May 2007 16:01:05 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70032 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 7 May 2007 22:01:12 +0000 (UTC) I think Ted takes the cake...did you get a shot of the small nuclear reactor that powers that 20 space rack of his? K- ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Hamburg" To: Sent: Sunday, May 06, 2007 3:29 PM Subject: Re: Guitar Player magazine: Looper's Paradise >A much less sorted gallery stemming from the requests for more gear shots. >(GP does stand for "gear porn", doesn't it?) > > http://www.grubmah.com/y2k6/gear_porn/ > > And more shots of Genie. Similarly subject to less sorting: > > http://www.grubmah.com/y2k6/more_genie/ > > Mark > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 7 22:59:16 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EA4583BEF9; Mon, 7 May 2007 22:59:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <484352272.1178578752194.JavaMail.root@fepweb11> Date: Mon, 7 May 2007 15:59:12 -0700 From: =?utf-8?Q?tEd_=C2=AE_kiLLiAn?= To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Guitar Player magazine: Looper's Paradise Cc: Krispen Hartung MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Sensitivity: Normal X-Originating-IP: from 66.169.241.110 by mail.charter.net; Mon, 7 May 2007 18:59:11 -0400 X-Chzlrs: 0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70033 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 7 May 2007 22:59:16 +0000 (UTC) Hey you guys, stop pickin' on me! It's really only 16 spaces. It looks bigger because it's the shock-mount version. Not only that, a couple of those spaces are only vent panels for air circul= ation. Far from needing nukes to power it, most of the time it runs on all natural= bean burrito gas. Haven't you ever heard of "wind" power? tEd =C2=AE kiLLiAn "Different is not always better, but better is always different" Flux Aeterna: http://phobos.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewAlbum?p= layListId=3D6378076=20 http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073 http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314 http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193 http://www.loopers-delight.com/cgi-bin/profiles.cgi?step=3Dview_profile&id= =3D121197000042 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So??? ---- Krispen Hartung wrote:=20 > I think Ted takes the cake...did you get a shot of the small nuclear reac= tor=20 > that powers that 20 space rack of his? >=20 > K- > ----- Original Message -----=20 > From: "Mark Hamburg" > To: > Sent: Sunday, May 06, 2007 3:29 PM > Subject: Re: Guitar Player magazine: Looper's Paradise >=20 >=20 > >A much less sorted gallery stemming from the requests for more gear sho= ts.=20 > >(GP does stand for "gear porn", doesn't it?) > > > > http://www.grubmah.com/y2k6/gear_porn/ > > > > And more shots of Genie. Similarly subject to less sorting: > > > > http://www.grubmah.com/y2k6/more_genie/ > > > > Mark > > > >=20 >=20 >=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 8 00:29:38 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 71D043BEF7; Tue, 8 May 2007 00:29:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=P5owEULkebuYi+1ml8Oa479lWOwn85GbF/NbcRTcqWBSdALgxmO6QyqIdhzm1xgbrFWbpa7nDQRyPqa0g9b9hfemvP0wpSkdWt8hm7RLnyFAjSZIUlbIzVzc9vjnbRahI+hZvpxy9DPzyUrM+hZX++P6idwBQTqYo9GMcHAJeRk=; X-YMail-OSG: ubzuEoIVM1kp4kcYyZcL2oxlxmyrv17Gh.rca4xwYEeaG6yi9G6cMqir_ci6yEWC4zSLJrk6Vv86nqvp3RSk6kjWobPWGVSg7YM8s.h9wyokS4vasCX.R9g46pbMog-- Date: Mon, 7 May 2007 17:29:37 -0700 (PDT) From: bill bigrig Subject: Re: Boise Experimental Music Festival Streaming Live To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <005e01c790c2$f143b530$2cb0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <369433.46562.qm@web32701.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70034 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 8 May 2007 00:29:38 +0000 (UTC) Howdy, Somewhere halfway up the gorge would be awesome. rig --- Krispen Hartung wrote: > Portland area wine country comes to mind... > > Kris > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dave Trenkel" > To: > Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 1:53 PM > Subject: Re: Boise Experimental Music Festival > Streaming Live > > > > I'd be down to participate and/or help organize > something like this... > > > >> Nice meetin' ya there Qua. > >> > >> I guess there's enought of us Oregonians now that > we should perhaps think > >> of an Oregon Looping Festival. > >> > >> Maybe we could hold it at the Oregon Vortex or > sumthin" . . . > >> > >> Stay in touch. > >> > >> Best regards, > >> > >> Ted Killian > >> > >> On Apr 29, 2007, at 2:48 PM, Qua Veda wrote: > >> > >>> I attended the Festival - all but Thurs eve. > Congratulations and > >>> thanks to > >>> Kris for hosting and organizing it! And thanks > to all the artists. A > >>> great show ! > >>> > >>> -Qua > >>> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Don't get soaked. Take a quick peak at the forecast with the Yahoo! Search weather shortcut. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/shortcuts/#loc_weather From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 8 02:05:41 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0FE5A3BEF7; Tue, 8 May 2007 02:05:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <00fa01c79115$5f8d3960$2cb0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <369433.46562.qm@web32701.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Boise Experimental Music Festival Streaming Live Date: Mon, 7 May 2007 20:05:37 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70035 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 8 May 2007 02:05:41 +0000 (UTC) There is some sort of center right next to the Stone Hendge replica along the Columbia. That would be cool...a bit off the beaten path to nowhere, but cool. K- ----- Original Message ----- From: "bill bigrig" To: Sent: Monday, May 07, 2007 6:29 PM Subject: Re: Boise Experimental Music Festival Streaming Live > Howdy, > > Somewhere halfway up the gorge would be awesome. > rig > > > --- Krispen Hartung wrote: > >> Portland area wine country comes to mind... >> >> Kris >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Dave Trenkel" >> To: >> Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 1:53 PM >> Subject: Re: Boise Experimental Music Festival >> Streaming Live >> >> >> > I'd be down to participate and/or help organize >> something like this... >> > >> >> Nice meetin' ya there Qua. >> >> >> >> I guess there's enought of us Oregonians now that >> we should perhaps think >> >> of an Oregon Looping Festival. >> >> >> >> Maybe we could hold it at the Oregon Vortex or >> sumthin" . . . >> >> >> >> Stay in touch. >> >> >> >> Best regards, >> >> >> >> Ted Killian >> >> >> >> On Apr 29, 2007, at 2:48 PM, Qua Veda wrote: >> >> >> >>> I attended the Festival - all but Thurs eve. >> Congratulations and >> >>> thanks to >> >>> Kris for hosting and organizing it! And thanks >> to all the artists. A >> >>> great show ! >> >>> >> >>> -Qua >> >>> >> >> >> >> >> > >> > >> > >> >> >> > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > Don't get soaked. Take a quick peak at the forecast > with the Yahoo! Search weather shortcut. > http://tools.search.yahoo.com/shortcuts/#loc_weather > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 8 02:20:14 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3800D3BEF5; Tue, 8 May 2007 02:20:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <91290232c538ed6eadc9d083dd8bc868@charter.net> References: <200704291452312.SM02676@quahome> <002801c79066$ce08b6d0$6b01a8c0@DTT60> <91290232c538ed6eadc9d083dd8bc868@charter.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <8D43BA9B-107C-4BF7-8FA7-3051789C2E0C@ubergadget.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Rev Fever Subject: Re: Boise Experimental Music Festival Streaming Live Date: Mon, 7 May 2007 19:20:06 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70036 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 8 May 2007 02:20:14 +0000 (UTC) Count me in for any possible assistance, as well. On May 7, 2007, at 7:59 AM, tEd =AE kiLLiAn wrote: > The mention of the "Vortex" was more joke than serious suggestion. As for the subject of the "Vortex" here in Oregon, and as a casual =20 suggestion, there is also Milo McIver State Park, outside of Estacada where the famous (or infamous? :-)) and large " Vortex I " festival =20 was held in Summer of 1970 that is a big (and strange) part of =20 Oregon's history. Possibly there are still some sympathetic and harmonious =20 "vibes" (and spirits, and...?) still lingering there in the park? :-) Also, there is certainly enough open area out there to accommodate =20 just about anything. Very late August / early Sept would possibly be =20 good to do something? The Vortex I story for the curious: http://www.pdx.edu/magazine/news/4416/ -Rev. Fever Portland,OR PS-Does anyone know of any portable solar powered generators that are =20= available that would power a small amp and a small amount of gear? Or, the basic plans on how make something like that? Possibly wind =20 powered, as well? I have had a long, personal interest in having =20 something like that. > On Apr 30, 2007, at 12:53 PM, Dave Trenkel wrote: > >> I'd be down to participate and/or help organize something like =20 >> this... > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 8 05:12:40 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 249623BEFA; Tue, 8 May 2007 05:12:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Qua Veda" To: Subject: RE: Boise Experimental Music Festival Streaming Live Date: Mon, 7 May 2007 22:12:31 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 In-Reply-To: <00fa01c79115$5f8d3960$2cb0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Thread-Index: AceRFgc7wCQ9zg+TQZimF8RBb3YKxQAGU1qg Message-Id: <200705072217281.SM03704@quahome> X-RBL-Warning: REVDNS: This E-mail was sent from a MUA/MTA 206.212.233.27 with no reverse DNS entry. X-Declude-Sender: qua@oregon.com [206.212.233.27] X-Declude-Spoolname: D07d2036f000024d0.smd X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude JunkMail (www.declude.com) for spam. Resent-Message-ID: <-qCRT.A.JcG.HbAQGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70037 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 8 May 2007 05:12:40 +0000 (UTC) Maybe we could have in during UFO Days in McMinnville - the heart of Oregon wine country ;-) http://www.mcmenamins.com/ufofest07/ -Qua -----Original Message----- From: Krispen Hartung [mailto:khartung@cableone.net] Sent: Monday, May 07, 2007 7:06 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Boise Experimental Music Festival Streaming Live There is some sort of center right next to the Stone Hendge replica along the Columbia. That would be cool...a bit off the beaten path to nowhere, but cool. K- ----- Original Message ----- From: "bill bigrig" To: Sent: Monday, May 07, 2007 6:29 PM Subject: Re: Boise Experimental Music Festival Streaming Live > Howdy, > > Somewhere halfway up the gorge would be awesome. > rig > > > --- Krispen Hartung wrote: > >> Portland area wine country comes to mind... >> >> Kris >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Dave Trenkel" >> To: >> Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 1:53 PM >> Subject: Re: Boise Experimental Music Festival >> Streaming Live >> >> >> > I'd be down to participate and/or help organize >> something like this... >> > >> >> Nice meetin' ya there Qua. >> >> >> >> I guess there's enought of us Oregonians now that >> we should perhaps think >> >> of an Oregon Looping Festival. >> >> >> >> Maybe we could hold it at the Oregon Vortex or >> sumthin" . . . >> >> >> >> Stay in touch. >> >> >> >> Best regards, >> >> >> >> Ted Killian >> >> >> >> On Apr 29, 2007, at 2:48 PM, Qua Veda wrote: >> >> >> >>> I attended the Festival - all but Thurs eve. >> Congratulations and >> >>> thanks to >> >>> Kris for hosting and organizing it! And thanks >> to all the artists. A >> >>> great show ! >> >>> >> >>> -Qua >> >>> >> >> >> >> >> > >> > >> > >> >> >> > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________ ________ > Don't get soaked. Take a quick peak at the forecast > with the Yahoo! Search weather shortcut. > http://tools.search.yahoo.com/shortcuts/#loc_weather > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 8 07:51:34 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BE8083BEEC; Tue, 8 May 2007 07:51:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "nick@12testing.net" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, Mark Hamburg Date: Tue, 08 May 2007 08:46:32 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Guitar Player magazine: Looper's Paradise Reply-To: nick@12testing.net Message-ID: <464038E8.31097.A4C5A@nick.12testing.net> Priority: normal In-reply-to: <12E7C726-6824-4F1D-BF4E-A09EC427895F@baymoon.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.31) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70038 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 8 May 2007 07:51:34 +0000 (UTC) On 6 May 2007 at 14:29, Mark Hamburg wrote: > A much less sorted gallery stemming from the requests for more gear > shots. (GP does stand for "gear porn", doesn't it?) Those guys sat on chairs with the ranks of pedals must end up with very sore backs..... thanks for these - always interesting to see other rigs and to confirm that it's just not possible to fit it all in a 2U rack ;) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 8 08:00:19 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8B4063BEFB; Tue, 8 May 2007 08:00:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Anthony Mitchell" To: Subject: UNSUBSCRIBE Date: Tue, 8 May 2007 18:00:12 +1000 Message-ID: <00bf01c79146$e84bd2d0$0400a8c0@Golddragon> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00C0_01C7919A.B9FC9DC0" X-Priority: 1 (Highest) X-MSMail-Priority: High X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: AceRRueg+yiOldI2QRORMPOILIcUsg== X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Importance: High Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70039 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 8 May 2007 08:00:19 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00C0_01C7919A.B9FC9DC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit UNSUBSCRIBE ------=_NextPart_000_00C0_01C7919A.B9FC9DC0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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------=_NextPart_000_00C0_01C7919A.B9FC9DC0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 8 13:15:35 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 47A853BEF9; Tue, 8 May 2007 13:15:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Tue, 08 May 2007 09:10:34 -0400 From: Douglas Baldwin Subject: Re: Looping tracks with digital hard disk recorders To: Michael Yoder , Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <006d01c79172$da7ef0c0$9715be18@oemcomputer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <463EA1A5.9020004@sbcglobal.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70040 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 8 May 2007 13:15:35 +0000 (UTC) Hi Michael- The audible click you hear is almost certainly a soundwave being chopped off. If there's any sound at all at the edit point, the rapid change in waveform from some kind of wavey wave to an instantaneous drop to zero creates an audio spike. In order to eliminate this spike, you need to be able to "edit the edit point." If you can view the wave at the edit point and insert a tiny (2-3ms) fade out/fade in, you can eliminate the click. I don't know if the Tascam has this kind of editing power. I own a Korg D1600mkII, which allows this kind of editing. I can view one track at a time, see the cliff/wall of the edit point, and choose a nice point before/after the edit point to fade out/in. Once I've edited the front and back of my intended loop, I can copy and paste the loop without generating more clicks. Most folks do this in Pro Tools or one of those software programs that turns the sound into pretty seismographic wiggles on their computer screens. Then there arise all sorts of aesthetic decisions about the tiny bit of silence. Is it audible? If not, mission accomplished. If so, you can either play it up, giving the track that "look! I'm looping!" quality (can be cool or cliched, depending) or you can layer something else over the point to minimize it - a little reverb, a little delay, another track, whatever. Best of luck, Douglas Baldwin, coyote-at-large www.thecoyote.org coyotelk@optonline.net "Let these minutes and hours Show my mind strange new flowers" - Jackson Browne From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 8 14:47:42 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 67A9C3BEF1; Tue, 8 May 2007 14:47:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <200705072217281.SM03704@quahome> References: <200705072217281.SM03704@quahome> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-2-612474584 Message-Id: <7876ed36127965350c16f7db7788468f@glasswing.com> From: Richard Sales Subject: Oregon Loopfest Date: Tue, 8 May 2007 07:47:33 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70041 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 8 May 2007 14:47:42 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-2-612474584 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed If you DO decide to do a looping festival in Oregon let me know. I know good show promoters there - The Bite Of Oregon etc. Good connects with the McMenamin's folks... if that helps. richard sales glassWing farm and studio vancouver island, b.c. 800.545.6846 250.752.4816 www.glassWing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com On 7-May-07, at 10:12 PM, Qua Veda wrote: > Maybe we could have in during UFO Days in McMinnville - the heart of > Oregon > wine country ;-) > http://www.mcmenamins.com/ufofest07/ --Apple-Mail-2-612474584 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=US-ASCII If you DO decide to do a looping festival in Oregon let me know. I know good show promoters there - The Bite Of Oregon etc. Good connects with the McMenamin's folks... if that helps. Gadgetrichard sales 7373,7F7F,C5C5glassWing farm and studio vancouver island, b.c. 800.545.6846 250.752.4816C3C3,9696,1C1C www.glassWing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com On 7-May-07, at 10:12 PM, Qua Veda wrote: Maybe we could have in during UFO Days in McMinnville - the heart of Oregon wine country ;-) http://www.mcmenamins.com/ufofest07/ --Apple-Mail-2-612474584-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 8 17:28:53 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 20F903BEEA; Tue, 8 May 2007 17:28:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <807704549.1178645327624.JavaMail.root@fepweb13> Date: Tue, 8 May 2007 10:28:47 -0700 From: =?utf-8?Q?tEd_=C2=AE_kiLLiAn?= To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Oregon Loopfest Cc: Richard Sales MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Sensitivity: Normal X-Originating-IP: from 66.169.241.110 by mail.charter.net; Tue, 8 May 2007 13:28:47 -0400 X-Chzlrs: 0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70042 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 8 May 2007 17:28:53 +0000 (UTC) Hi all all you Oregonizers, I think, given that few or none of us are actual professional promoters, wh= oever (individually) or whatever group of us manages to try to put on such = a thing as an Oregon Loopfest -- it ought to be put on in whatever LOCAL ar= ea the main organizer resides in.=20 That's the one thing that has always held me up. I don't know enough people= or have enough connections around other places in Oregon (outside the Rogu= e Valley) to be the primary organizer of an event outside the place I live= . And lets face it, hardly anyone would come to an Oregon Loopfest if held = in Medford. Personally, I could more easily organize (at long distance) a music fest in= Southern California (where I used to live, and still play on occassion) be= cause of all the connections I still have down there. But since most of the= folks down there already do things like that, why bother. Which one of us lives in a sizeable metropolitan city, or actually NEAR any= of those cool places mentioned, and would be willing to tackle the project= themselves? That's basically the problem. -- tEd =C2=AE kiLLiAn "Different is not always better, but better is always different" Flux Aeterna: http://phobos.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewAlbum?p= layListId=3D6378076=20 http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073 http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314 http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193 http://www.loopers-delight.com/cgi-bin/profiles.cgi?step=3Dview_profile&id= =3D121197000042 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So??? ---- Richard Sales wrote:=20 > If you DO decide to do a looping festival in Oregon let me know. I=20 > know good show promoters there - The Bite Of Oregon etc. Good connects= =20 > with the McMenamin's folks... if that helps. >=20 > richard sales > glassWing farm and studio > vancouver island, b.c. > 800.545.6846 > 250.752.4816 > www.glassWing.com > www.richardsales.com > www.hayleysales.com > www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com > On 7-May-07, at 10:12 PM, Qua Veda wrote: >=20 > > Maybe we could have in during UFO Days in McMinnville - the heart of=20 > > Oregon > > wine country ;-) > > http://www.mcmenamins.com/ufofest07/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 8 18:27:43 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8024A3BEF6; Tue, 8 May 2007 18:27:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com In-Reply-To: <807704549.1178645327624.JavaMail.root@fepweb13> References: <807704549.1178645327624.JavaMail.root@fepweb13> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-6-625673931 Message-Id: <241c14abf3e270484bfa51da32aa2fe1@glasswing.com> Cc: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Richard Sales Subject: Re: Oregon Loopfest Date: Tue, 8 May 2007 11:27:33 -0700 To: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?tEd_=AE_kiLLiAn?= X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Resent-Message-ID: <3-vwLB.A.52F.eEMQGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70043 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 8 May 2007 18:27:43 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-6-625673931 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed I lived in Potland for 13 years. Helped organize festivals, big=20 political rallies etc there. Not there anymore (since 03)... but, like=20= you with your past home Ted, I have deep roots and connections there. =20= There's a good population in the Portland area, LOADS of musicians and=20= music lubbers. My friend Lisa Lepine put on the Bite of Oregon for a=20 bunch of years. The biggest festival in Portland I believe, if not all=20= of Oregon. She's close to the McMenamin's group. So I would opt to=20 have a promoter work with the idea, see if they can raise $$$ etc for=20 it. Otherwise, some Oregonian musician will end up spending months and=20= months putting it together and losing critical music time. Good=20 promoters can help a lot. My friend Jim Miller was one of the founders of the Portland Blues=20 Festival. Don't know if he's still in the game but he's very well=20 connected too. In Eugene I have a friend who runs (ran?) a Health and Wellness=20 Festival that did well. Cool guy - a real go getter - and could be=20 very motivated. Peter LeSeuer. I'd go to bat with any of these folks to help move the idea forward. We've done festivals here at our farm and they are a LOT OF WORK! Not=20= big ones - I think 400 folks was our last one. I don't personally have=20= time to organize festivals right now. But I'll help as I can and=20 provide whatever contacts and connectors I have to help move the idea=20 forward. I think we'd need a point man or woman to run with the ball. Love the idea. And I think it would be very popular in Portland for=20 certain. I'd consider doing a looping festival here on the island, but the only=20= looping folks around here know of is looping cows, looping around the=20 paddock and getting looped. richard sales glassWing farm and studio vancouver island, b.c. 800.545.6846 250.752.4816 www.glassWing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com On 8-May-07, at 10:28 AM, tEd =AE kiLLiAn wrote: > Hi all all you Oregonizers, > > I think, given that few or none of us are actual professional=20 > promoters, whoever (individually) or whatever group of us manages to=20= > try to put on such a thing as an Oregon Loopfest -- it ought to be put=20= > on in whatever LOCAL area the main organizer resides in. > > That's the one thing that has always held me up. I don't know enough=20= > people or have enough connections around other places in Oregon=20 > (outside the Rogue Valley) to be the primary organizer of an event=20 > outside the place I live. And lets face it, hardly anyone would come=20= > to an Oregon Loopfest if held in Medford. > > Personally, I could more easily organize (at long distance) a music=20 > fest in Southern California (where I used to live, and still play on=20= > occassion) because of all the connections I still have down there. But=20= > since most of the folks down there already do things like that, why=20 > bother. > > Which one of us lives in a sizeable metropolitan city, or actually=20 > NEAR any of those cool places mentioned, and would be willing to=20 > tackle the project themselves? That's basically the problem. > > -- > tEd =AE kiLLiAn > --Apple-Mail-6-625673931 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=ISO-8859-1 I lived in Potland for 13 years. Helped organize festivals, big political rallies etc there. Not there anymore (since 03)... but, like you with your past home Ted, I have deep roots and connections there. There's a good population in the Portland area, LOADS of musicians and music lubbers. My friend Lisa Lepine put on the Bite of Oregon for a bunch of years. The biggest festival in Portland I believe, if not all of Oregon. She's close to the McMenamin's group.=20 So I would opt to have a promoter work with the idea, see if they can raise $$$ etc for it. Otherwise, some Oregonian musician will end up spending months and months putting it together and losing critical music time. Good promoters can help a lot. =20 My friend Jim Miller was one of the founders of the Portland Blues Festival. Don't know if he's still in the game but he's very well connected too. =20 In Eugene I have a friend who runs (ran?) a Health and Wellness Festival that did well. Cool guy - a real go getter - and could be very motivated. Peter LeSeuer. I'd go to bat with any of these folks to help move the idea forward. We've done festivals here at our farm and they are a LOT OF WORK! Not big ones - I think 400 folks was our last one. I don't personally have time to organize festivals right now. But I'll help as I can and provide whatever contacts and connectors I have to help move the idea forward. I think we'd need a point man or woman to run with the ball. =20 Love the idea. And I think it would be very popular in Portland for certain. I'd consider doing a looping festival here on the island, but the only looping folks around here know of is looping cows, looping around the paddock and getting looped.=20 Gadgetrichard sales 7373,7F7F,C5C5glassWing farm and studio vancouver island, b.c. 800.545.6846 250.752.4816C3C3,9696,1C1C www.glassWing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com On 8-May-07, at 10:28 AM, tEd =AE kiLLiAn wrote: Hi all all you Oregonizers, I think, given that few or none of us are actual professional promoters, whoever (individually) or whatever group of us manages to try to put on such a thing as an Oregon Loopfest -- it ought to be put on in whatever LOCAL area the main organizer resides in.=20 That's the one thing that has always held me up. I don't know enough people or have enough connections around other places in Oregon (outside the Rogue Valley) to be the primary organizer of an event outside the place I live. And lets face it, hardly anyone would come to an Oregon Loopfest if held in Medford. Personally, I could more easily organize (at long distance) a music fest in Southern California (where I used to live, and still play on occassion) because of all the connections I still have down there. But since most of the folks down there already do things like that, why bother. Which one of us lives in a sizeable metropolitan city, or actually NEAR any of those cool places mentioned, and would be willing to tackle the project themselves? That's basically the problem. -- tEd =AE kiLLiAn = --Apple-Mail-6-625673931-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 8 18:59:26 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 40FA13BEFC; Tue, 8 May 2007 18:59:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <5135121.1178650764102.JavaMail.root@web18> Date: Tue, 8 May 2007 11:59:24 -0700 From: Paul Richards To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Oregon Loopfest Cc: Richard Sales MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Sensitivity: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <8lbZID.A.t_H.NiMQGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70044 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 8 May 2007 18:59:26 +0000 (UTC) (I lived in Potland for 13 years) Hey, so did I! I quit smoking several years ago, though. :) -- Paul=20 ---- Richard Sales wrote:=20 > I lived in Potland for 13 years. Helped organize festivals, big=20 > political rallies etc there. Not there anymore (since 03)... but, like= =20 > you with your past home Ted, I have deep roots and connections there. =20 > There's a good population in the Portland area, LOADS of musicians and=20 > music lubbers. My friend Lisa Lepine put on the Bite of Oregon for a=20 > bunch of years. The biggest festival in Portland I believe, if not all= =20 > of Oregon. She's close to the McMenamin's group. So I would opt to=20 > have a promoter work with the idea, see if they can raise $$$ etc for=20 > it. Otherwise, some Oregonian musician will end up spending months and= =20 > months putting it together and losing critical music time. Good=20 > promoters can help a lot. >=20 > My friend Jim Miller was one of the founders of the Portland Blues=20 > Festival. Don't know if he's still in the game but he's very well=20 > connected too. >=20 > In Eugene I have a friend who runs (ran?) a Health and Wellness=20 > Festival that did well. Cool guy - a real go getter - and could be=20 > very motivated. Peter LeSeuer. >=20 > I'd go to bat with any of these folks to help move the idea forward. >=20 > We've done festivals here at our farm and they are a LOT OF WORK! Not=20 > big ones - I think 400 folks was our last one. I don't personally have=20 > time to organize festivals right now. But I'll help as I can and=20 > provide whatever contacts and connectors I have to help move the idea=20 > forward. I think we'd need a point man or woman to run with the ball. >=20 > Love the idea. And I think it would be very popular in Portland for=20 > certain. >=20 > I'd consider doing a looping festival here on the island, but the only=20 > looping folks around here know of is looping cows, looping around the=20 > paddock and getting looped. >=20 > richard sales > glassWing farm and studio > vancouver island, b.c. > 800.545.6846 > 250.752.4816 > www.glassWing.com > www.richardsales.com > www.hayleysales.com > www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com > On 8-May-07, at 10:28 AM, tEd =C2=AE kiLLiAn wrote: >=20 > > Hi all all you Oregonizers, > > > > I think, given that few or none of us are actual professional=20 > > promoters, whoever (individually) or whatever group of us manages to=20 > > try to put on such a thing as an Oregon Loopfest -- it ought to be put= =20 > > on in whatever LOCAL area the main organizer resides in. > > > > That's the one thing that has always held me up. I don't know enough=20 > > people or have enough connections around other places in Oregon=20 > > (outside the Rogue Valley) to be the primary organizer of an event=20 > > outside the place I live. And lets face it, hardly anyone would come=20 > > to an Oregon Loopfest if held in Medford. > > > > Personally, I could more easily organize (at long distance) a music=20 > > fest in Southern California (where I used to live, and still play on=20 > > occassion) because of all the connections I still have down there. But= =20 > > since most of the folks down there already do things like that, why=20 > > bother. > > > > Which one of us lives in a sizeable metropolitan city, or actually=20 > > NEAR any of those cool places mentioned, and would be willing to=20 > > tackle the project themselves? That's basically the problem. > > > > -- > > tEd =C2=AE kiLLiAn > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 8 19:09:37 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 317EA3BEFF; Tue, 8 May 2007 19:09:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <5135121.1178650764102.JavaMail.root@web18> References: <5135121.1178650764102.JavaMail.root@web18> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1-628195428 Message-Id: From: Richard Sales Subject: Re: Oregon Loopfest Date: Tue, 8 May 2007 12:09:34 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70045 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 8 May 2007 19:09:37 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-1-628195428 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Potland? We used to call it that! richard sales glassWing farm and studio vancouver island, b.c. 800.545.6846 250.752.4816 www.glassWing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com On 8-May-07, at 11:59 AM, Paul Richards wrote: > (I lived in Potland for 13 years) > > Hey, so did I! I quit smoking several years ago, though. :) > --Apple-Mail-1-628195428 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=US-ASCII Potland? We used to call it that! Gadgetrichard sales 7373,7F7F,C5C5glassWing farm and studio vancouver island, b.c. 800.545.6846 250.752.4816C3C3,9696,1C1C www.glassWing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com On 8-May-07, at 11:59 AM, Paul Richards wrote: (I lived in Potland for 13 years) Hey, so did I! I quit smoking several years ago, though. :) --Apple-Mail-1-628195428-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 9 01:07:58 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 03CC63BEE2; Wed, 9 May 2007 01:07:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <200705081221406.SM05944@quahome> References: <200705081221406.SM05944@quahome> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <1bb9024f313f8ad45812fad74ed07b5c@charter.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?tEd_=AE_kiLLiAn?= Subject: Re: OREGON LOOP FESTIVAL Date: Tue, 8 May 2007 19:08:33 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) X-Chzlrs: 0 Resent-Message-ID: <3dPmqC.A.TBE.t7RQGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70046 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 9 May 2007 01:07:57 +0000 (UTC) Okay Ory-gun-ians, The following folk are current and/or former LD members who live in our lovely wet state --that I know of:. Qua Veda -- qua@oregon.com -- in the McMinville area David Coffin -- dpcoffin@earthlink.net -- somewhere on the southern Oregon coast. Dave Trenkle -- improv@peak.org -- Corvallis area Ted (myself) Killian -- tedkillian@charter.net -- Meford/Ashland area Possibly the Rev. Fever -- revfever@ubergadget.com -- location unknown. Richard Sales -- richard@glasswing.com -- Honorary Oregonian, actually Vancouver B.C. Trasic Hartnett -- travishartnett@gmail.com -- Honorary Oregonian, actually Seattle, WA There could be others . . . but somehow this doesn't seem to ad up to much of a quorum (even with interested "honorary" Oregonians included) let alone a guerilla marketing team. Maybe if we broadened it even more to be a Pacific Northwest Loopfest -- but I still don't think we're there yet. Doggone it. I hate being "the voice of reason." Too many dreams get killed that way. Best regards, Ted Killian From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 9 02:25:20 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2EFF93BEF1; Wed, 9 May 2007 02:25:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [207.200.116.201] X-Originating-Email: [sambacomet@hotmail.com] X-Sender: sambacomet@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <20070509010758.A91023BEE6@arsenic.violacea.com> From: "samba -" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Ore Fest Date: Tue, 08 May 2007 19:25:13 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 May 2007 02:25:17.0713 (UTC) FILETIME=[48B97010:01C791E1] Resent-Message-ID: <_aQTS.A.oQH.PETQGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70047 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 9 May 2007 02:25:20 +0000 (UTC)

I did quite a bit of event production in Oregon,inc Oregon COuntry Fair,Dead shows in Eugene,The first alternative ENergy fair in 1980,Artquake H.O.R.D.E fest Further fest ,the Volcanbic Rock Fest in Sisters,THe HEmp Fest at Bill Condees. I'm interested . Id on't think getting the organizers of big commercial events like the Bite-which I've performed at,makes sense for something as grassroots and esoteric. We should do it ourselves


Now you can see trouble…before he arrives From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 9 03:47:01 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5C4CC3BEF0; Wed, 9 May 2007 03:47:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Tue, 08 May 2007 23:28:46 -0400 From: "Emile Tobenfeld (a.k.a Dr. T)" Subject: Video Performance Somerville, MA Thursday 05.10 X-Sender: doctort2@incoming.verizon.net To: DrTVideo@egroups.com Cc: eyecandy@egroups.com, boss-improv@topica.com, iotacenter@egroups.com, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, atari-midi@yahoogroups.com, FRAMEWORKS@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70048 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 9 May 2007 03:47:01 +0000 (UTC) Hi folks, I'll be doing video improvisations with (at least) the first two bands in the below show at PA's Lounge in Somerville. A photo showing my projections at PA's with the Lothars can be seen at http://www.boston.com/ae/music/articles/2007/05/07/the_geek_who_captured_the_castle/ At 10:43 AM -0700 5/8/07, Chris Pearson wrote: > > >Chris Pearson, former guitarist and singer for Green >Magnet School (Sub Pop recording artists) and fresh >off posting a new song on his MySpace page, will be >playing under the "EKRANOPLAN" imprint, Thursday, May >10th at PA's Lounge in Union Sq, Somerville. > >Ekranoplan is the nom de plume of CP when he's >accompanied by special guests, in this case, Kris >Thompson (of The Lothars and Concord Ballet Orchestra >Players, x-Abunai!) on theremin and synthesizer, and >Dave Y (Dear Old Stockholm Syndrome, x-Nisi Period) on >guitar. > >Accompanying the festivities will be Dr. T doing live >video mixing and visual improvisation. He's done >projections with Mission of Burma among others, and if >you've never seen his stuff, it's pretty mind-blowing >and not to be missed. > >CP/Ekranoplan will be on in a nice early opening slot, >around 9:30p.m.. Of course, one would be advised to >stick around for the excellent acts sharing the bill- >indie experimentalists Lights (headlining), and >Nonloc, which features Mark Dwinell (of the band >Bright and of the Badabing! and Strange Attractors >Audio House labels). > > > >Doors are 8:30p.m., tickets are $7.00 for 21+, $10 for >18+ >PA's is at 345 Somerville Ave in Union Sq, Somerville. > >http://www.paslounge.com/ > >Chris Pearson/EKRANOPLAN >http://www.myspace.com/chrispearsonmusic > >Kris Thompson >http://www.myspace.com/macrameowl > >Nonloc >http://www.myspace.com/nonloc > >Lights >http://www.myspace.com/lightslightslights > >Dr. T/For Your Head >http://www.foryourhead.com > > > > >"Chris Pearson, former guitarist and vocalist for >Green Magnet School, now does solo material combining >the organic with the synthetic utilizing guitars, >effects, synthesizers, and a laptop in a unique, >primitivist, post-rock style. Surprisingly loud for >one person." > >also, for those nostalgia buffs in the audience, there >is now a MySpace site for Green Magnet School: >http://www.myspace.com/greenmagnetschool -- " Practice makes perfect, imperfect is better." -- Paul Bley Emile Tobenfeld, Ph. D. Video Producer Image Processing Specialist Video for your HEAD! Boris FX http://www.foryourhead.com http://www.borisfx.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 9 06:03:15 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D060D3BED0; Wed, 9 May 2007 06:03:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=bjDz6+UVwoXvN95Je5Zgo2s98Ao4dRZMxhGA3HD46j1YJ/JcS7G/F1/4gbMZuWRg7Vtwt7wYFEsBE/8GKkSFe1owJPGG0uLd1GGKurkb3NDbgv8x0mGh4sDO8LYdt+4R0aUoXbjQYCIXuOoim9Ms5RqrHy2gdeVQ3PVOM57PNr0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=IhtoAzH/wbwllSitrXxvHNi5OqtYIYEN8oDMEwaV3EeZW7WSqUcpSXDbZRjEsiJeFV1XzeoNeMXHxTZaV+GiqZ0ylYccHJazyCrpiOhG+UR+kaRa+zMQU5toTHQMUjCBUvZDfW5uiR02PSMDNILMRYT0nR3hiMz+9c+lBmyo2v0= Message-ID: Date: Tue, 8 May 2007 23:03:13 -0700 From: "Neil Goldstein" Sender: swamilove@gmail.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OREGON LOOP FESTIVAL In-Reply-To: <1bb9024f313f8ad45812fad74ed07b5c@charter.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_122774_17603742.1178690593537" References: <200705081221406.SM05944@quahome> <1bb9024f313f8ad45812fad74ed07b5c@charter.net> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 288de699dc733566 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70049 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 9 May 2007 06:03:15 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_122774_17603742.1178690593537 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Count me in. I live in Portland. On 5/8/07, tEd (r) kiLLiAn wrote: > > Okay Ory-gun-ians, > > The following folk are current and/or former LD members who live in our > lovely wet state --that I know of:. > > Qua Veda -- qua@oregon.com -- in the McMinville area > > David Coffin -- dpcoffin@earthlink.net -- somewhere on the southern > Oregon coast. > > Dave Trenkle -- improv@peak.org -- Corvallis area > > Ted (myself) Killian -- tedkillian@charter.net -- Meford/Ashland area > > Possibly the Rev. Fever -- revfever@ubergadget.com -- location unknown. > > Richard Sales -- richard@glasswing.com -- Honorary Oregonian, actually > Vancouver B.C. > > Trasic Hartnett -- travishartnett@gmail.com -- Honorary Oregonian, > actually Seattle, WA > > There could be others . . . but somehow this doesn't seem to ad up to > much of a quorum (even with interested "honorary" Oregonians included) > let alone a guerilla marketing team. Maybe if we broadened it even more > to be a Pacific Northwest Loopfest -- but I still don't think we're > there yet. > > Doggone it. I hate being "the voice of reason." Too many dreams get > killed that way. > > Best regards, > > Ted Killian > > ------=_Part_122774_17603742.1178690593537 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Count me in. I live in Portland.

On 5/8/07, tEd ® kiLLiAn <tedkillian@charter.net> wrote:
Okay Ory-gun-ians,

The following folk are current and/or former LD members who live in our
lovely wet state --that I know of:.

Qua Veda -- qua@oregon.com -- in the McMinville area

David Coffin -- dpcoffin@earthlink.net -- somewhere on the southern
Oregon coast.

Dave Trenkle -- improv@peak.org -- Corvallis area

Ted (myself) Killian -- tedkillian@charter.net -- Meford/Ashland area

Possibly the Rev. Fever -- revfever@ubergadget.com -- location unknown.

Richard Sales -- richard@glasswing.com -- Honorary Oregonian, actually
Vancouver B.C.

Trasic Hartnett -- travishartnett@gmail.com -- Honorary Oregonian,
actually Seattle, WA

There could be others . . . but somehow this doesn't seem to ad up to
much of a quorum (even with interested "honorary" Oregonians included)
let alone a guerilla marketing team. Maybe if we broadened it even more
to be a Pacific Northwest Loopfest -- but I still don't think we're
there yet.

Doggone it. I hate being "the voice of reason." Too many dreams get
killed that way.

Best regards,

Ted Killian


------=_Part_122774_17603742.1178690593537-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 9 13:31:02 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1C0EF3BED3; Wed, 9 May 2007 13:31:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1-694272444 Message-Id: <58f9fdd9f5498917ce21daa72e2f448b@glasswing.com> From: Richard Sales Subject: Re: Ore Fest Date: Wed, 9 May 2007 06:30:51 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70050 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 9 May 2007 13:31:02 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-1-694272444 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed That's great! I just knew I didn't have time to do it. The BEST Dead show I ever saw was in Eugene. richard sales glassWing farm and studio vancouver island, b.c. 800.545.6846 250.752.4816 www.glassWing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com On 8-May-07, at 7:25 PM, samba - wrote: > I did quite a bit of event production in Oregon,inc Oregon COuntry=20 > Fair,Dead shows in Eugene,The first alternative ENergy fair in=20 > 1980,Artquake H.O.R.D.E fest Further fest ,the Volcanbic Rock Fest in=20= > Sisters,THe HEmp Fest at Bill Condees. I'm interested . Id on't think=20= > getting the organizers of big commercial events like the Bite-which=20 > I've performed at,makes sense for something as grassroots and=20 > esoteric. We should do it ourselves > > > Now you can see trouble=85before he arrives=20= --Apple-Mail-1-694272444 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=WINDOWS-1252 That's great! I just knew I didn't have time to do it. =20 The BEST Dead show I ever saw was in Eugene. =20 Gadgetrichard sales 7373,7F7F,C5C5glassWing farm and studio vancouver island, b.c. 800.545.6846 250.752.4816C3C3,9696,1C1C www.glassWing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com On 8-May-07, at 7:25 PM, samba - wrote: I did quite a bit of event production in Oregon,inc Oregon COuntry Fair,Dead shows in Eugene,The first alternative ENergy fair in 1980,Artquake H.O.R.D.E fest Further fest ,the Volcanbic Rock Fest in Sisters,THe HEmp Fest at Bill Condees. I'm interested . Id on't think getting the organizers of big commercial events like the Bite-which I've performed at,makes sense for something as grassroots and esoteric. We should do it ourselves 0000,0000,EEEENow you can see trouble=85before he arrives = --Apple-Mail-1-694272444-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 9 16:41:52 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2028F3BEEA; Wed, 9 May 2007 16:41:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: weeksville@comcast.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Echoplex LED level indicators question. Please Help Me! Date: Wed, 09 May 2007 16:41:50 +0000 Message-Id: <050920071641.9138.4641F9CD000F3F56000023B222165258560A040407909C050A0A99@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Oct 4 2006) X-Authenticated-Sender: d2Vla3N2aWxsZUBjb21jYXN0Lm5ldA== MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_9138_1178728910_0" Resent-Message-ID: <39DgeD.A.w2E.PnfQGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70051 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 9 May 2007 16:41:52 +0000 (UTC) --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_9138_1178728910_0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I am still looking for an answer to this question. I have scoured the mailing list and cannot find any help. The closest post I can find is from Kim in 1998. Please help me. I upgraded to Loop IV 1.1 software and now the input led and feedback led indicators are not working properly (I think.) The feedback led registers much hotter than the input led when recording. My echoplex is 2003 build so the input R10 and R 30 modification is in there. I put the Loop III 5.0 chips back in the unit and the described problem still exists. So I put the Loop IV 1.1 back in. May main question is this... which led should I use to set my levels? I can get a good solid green signal on the feedback led without the input led even registering (ie it is dark.) When the input led is good and green, no yellow/orange, and not even close to red, the feedback led is orange and borders on red. I am using the same gear I have always used so my input instruments haven't changed. HELP! --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_9138_1178728910_0 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
I am still looking for an answer to this question.  I have scoured the mailing list and cannot find any help. The closest post I can find is from Kim in 1998.  Please help me.  I upgraded to Loop IV 1.1 software and now the input led and feedback led indicators are not working properly (I think.)  The feedback led registers much hotter than the input led when recording.   My echoplex is 2003 build so the input R10 and R 30 modification is in there.  I put the Loop III 5.0 chips back in the unit and the described problem still exists.  So I put the Loop IV 1.1 back in.  May main question is this... which led should I use to set my levels?  I can get a good solid green signal on the feedback led without the input led even registering (ie it is dark.)  When the input led is good and green, no yellow/orange, and not even close to red, the feedback led is orange and borders on red.  I am using the same gear I have always used so my input instruments haven't changed. HELP!
--NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_9138_1178728910_0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 9 16:55:27 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7F6843BEEA; Wed, 9 May 2007 16:55:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=pvi0scEU1I492bHlWZuE/xpFKzL/lWGuEwI5JSh3I0VhAuAJvWl5rCcFdUkWtzpz5HJSfw8XtLNMlqwtsMRmEatTUlTrAGzImtCMf/bwf/X3d88tdIJSsU5SfTeWQp9e3o6WYGOA4l/TxBLbYGssOtGNUxtsthbcbv07RfN3SQE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=tzO0AvKg6CyPNTh7oESOdNRa6ZGeiI0XmTDzU31BbxVZ/D46xb3DSZSAoxpjE028OLSMbaAooZhbgK+raUIaFh8ZKXhM9/GA6LwzgKdWEM8LVI2o/IGl9dKu0u0l3Ye/pTCHg+hS51zDjwkCmmdT1xA1+uJAA0TwJeuOAeHFoEA= Message-ID: Date: Wed, 9 May 2007 09:55:25 -0700 From: "Travis Hartnett" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Echoplex LED level indicators question. Please Help Me! In-Reply-To: <050920071641.9138.4641F9CD000F3F56000023B222165258560A040407909C050A0A99@comcast.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <050920071641.9138.4641F9CD000F3F56000023B222165258560A040407909C050A0A99@comcast.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70052 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 9 May 2007 16:55:27 +0000 (UTC) The feedback led is generally monitoring "more" audio than the input. You've got all your loop layers, versus your single live input stream. So the feedback reading hotter than the input isn't anything unusual. If you hear distortion in the loop, you need to thin out the audio in the loop, either via feedback, or decreasing the loop input level. If you're using the EDP in a mixer's effects loop with the EDP mix control set to 100%, then that's all--the input level is the loop input level only. If you're not using a mixer, but are controlling your dry/wet mix via the EDP control, then you'll also need to turn the input level down if you hear distortion on your live signal in the output stage. TravisH On 5/9/07, weeksville@comcast.net wrote: > > > I am still looking for an answer to this question. I have scoured the mailing list and cannot find any help. The closest post I can find is from Kim in 1998. Please help me. I upgraded to Loop IV 1.1 software and now the input led and feedback led indicators are not working properly (I think.) The feedback led registers much hotter than the input led when recording. My echoplex is 2003 build so the input R10 and R 30 modification is in there. I put the Loop III 5.0 chips back in the unit and the described problem still exists. So I put the Loop IV 1.1 back in. May main question is this... which led should I use to set my levels? I can get a good solid green signal on the feedback led without the input led even registering (ie it is dark.) When the input led is good and green, no yellow/orange, and not even close to red, the feedback led is orange and borders on red. I am using the same gear I have always used so my input instruments haven't changed. HELP! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 9 17:03:03 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 268DF3BEEA; Wed, 9 May 2007 17:03:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <1bb9024f313f8ad45812fad74ed07b5c@charter.net> References: <200705081221406.SM05944@quahome> <1bb9024f313f8ad45812fad74ed07b5c@charter.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <272C1B80-8289-4847-B8E7-57898987EF1B@baymoon.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Mark Hamburg Subject: Re: OREGON LOOP FESTIVAL Date: Wed, 9 May 2007 10:05:06 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.0 required=1.0 tests=none autolearn=disabled version=3.1.7 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.7 (2006-10-05) on mail.cruzio.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70053 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 9 May 2007 17:03:03 +0000 (UTC) What you might be able to shoot for with a slightly broader =20 geographic range is something more like the Loopstock experience. =20 Loopstock 2002 was a bunch of loopers in what was more or less a =20 warehouse space. Low attendance by non-loopers but a great community =20 building event. The floor did get a bit cold while listening to Tom =20 Heasley, but that just takes a little more preparation by people. If it fit with my schedule, I might try to drive up for an event like =20= this since I miss some of the feel of Loopstock 2002. Mark On 8 May 2007, at 7:08 PM, tEd =AE kiLLiAn wrote: > Okay Ory-gun-ians, > > The following folk are current and/or former LD members who live in =20= > our lovely wet state --that I know of:. > > Qua Veda -- qua@oregon.com -- in the McMinville area > > David Coffin -- dpcoffin@earthlink.net -- somewhere on the southern =20= > Oregon coast. > > Dave Trenkle -- improv@peak.org -- Corvallis area > > Ted (myself) Killian -- tedkillian@charter.net -- Meford/Ashland area > > Possibly the Rev. Fever -- revfever@ubergadget.com -- location =20 > unknown. > > Richard Sales -- richard@glasswing.com -- Honorary Oregonian, =20 > actually Vancouver B.C. > > Trasic Hartnett -- travishartnett@gmail.com -- Honorary Oregonian, =20 > actually Seattle, WA > > There could be others . . . but somehow this doesn't seem to ad up =20 > to much of a quorum (even with interested "honorary" Oregonians =20 > included) let alone a guerilla marketing team. Maybe if we =20 > broadened it even more to be a Pacific Northwest Loopfest -- but I =20 > still don't think we're there yet. > > Doggone it. I hate being "the voice of reason." Too many dreams get =20= > killed that way. > > Best regards, > > Ted Killian > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 9 17:11:57 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 278003BF04; Wed, 9 May 2007 17:11:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <464200D9.4070805@addcom.de> Date: Wed, 09 May 2007 19:11:53 +0200 From: Stefan Tiedje User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.0 (Macintosh/20070326) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Finally some music I was involved in.... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <0rMh4D.A.SaH.cDgQGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70054 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 9 May 2007 17:11:57 +0000 (UTC) I played on sunday a gig in Caen, it was kindly recorded by the organizer and put on Youtube. (I never get my own stuff published by myself....) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HqvbgEazsUE As I never know what it means for others what I do, any comments are more than welcome (also the critical ones)... Of course a video, as any recording, is only part of the story... The story began in the morning, when I missed my train due to a canceled metro - the next train should go two hours later - I decided to hitchhike, and arrived less than one hour late... At the moment all over Paris there are posters which advertise the movie "Hitcher" with big letters it says "ne prenez jamais d'autostoppeur..." - I guess it helped... ;-) The improvisation began right in the morning, I thought it was a good start... Stefan -- Stefan Tiedje------------x------- --_____-----------|-------------- --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()------- -- _|_)----|-----()-------------- ----------()--------www.ccmix.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 9 17:12:28 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D58A43BF08; Wed, 9 May 2007 17:12:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com In-Reply-To: <12E7C726-6824-4F1D-BF4E-A09EC427895F@baymoon.com> References: <200705052140.l45LeOrJ051176@mail.cruzio.com> <083e01c79019$07835c60$25b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <12E7C726-6824-4F1D-BF4E-A09EC427895F@baymoon.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Mark Hamburg Subject: Re: Guitar Player magazine: Looper's Paradise Date: Wed, 9 May 2007 10:14:34 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.0 required=1.0 tests=none autolearn=disabled version=3.1.7 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.7 (2006-10-05) on mail.cruzio.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70055 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 9 May 2007 17:12:28 +0000 (UTC) Grumble. I got my issue and it looks like GP managed to mess up the colors. I guess I placed too much confidence in their getting the color management right. Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 9 17:15:15 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 923053BEFC; Wed, 9 May 2007 17:15:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: weeksville@comcast.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Echoplex LED level indicators question. Please Help Me! Date: Wed, 09 May 2007 17:15:10 +0000 Message-Id: <050920071715.27052.4642019E000D617E000069AC22165258560A040407909C050A0A99@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Oct 4 2006) X-Authenticated-Sender: d2Vla3N2aWxsZUBjb21jYXN0Lm5ldA== MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_27052_1178730910_0" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70056 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 9 May 2007 17:15:15 +0000 (UTC) --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_27052_1178730910_0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I don't want to beat a dead horse, so please forgive me if I am, but the led level discrepancy starts from the very first loop recording. I mean from the get-go I can record a loop with the input led dark and the feedback led strong green. I understand that as I add loops the feedback led will indicate more signal than the input but from the very first loop? My main concern is that I have used the Echoplex for 6 months with the Loop III software and I am by no means an expert, but I understand the machine pretty well and did not notice this before upgrading. It is almost as if the led signals have reversed. Before the software upgrade the input signal was always hotter than the feedback and I would have to turn the mix button a little to the loop side to get th right mix. I have called the British Audio repair folks and they have never heard of this as a problem. I may end up just sending to them and letting them look at it if I can't resolve this. Any other thoughts would b e appreciated. -------------- Original message -------------- --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_27052_1178730910_0 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
I don't want to beat a dead horse, so please forgive me if I am, but the led level discrepancy starts from the very first loop recording.  I mean from the get-go I can record a loop with the input led dark and the feedback led strong green.  I understand that as I add loops the feedback led will indicate more signal than the input but from the very first loop?  My main concern is that I have used the Echoplex for 6 months with the Loop III software and I am by no means an expert, but I understand the machine pretty well and did not notice this before upgrading.  It is almost as if the led signals have reversed.  Before the software upgrade the input signal was always hotter than the feedback and I would have to turn the mix button a little to the loop side to get th right mix. I have called the British Audio repair folks and they have never heard of this as a problem.  I may end up just sending to them and lettin g them look at it if I can't resolve this.  Any other thoughts would be appreciated.  
 
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--NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_27052_1178730910_0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 9 17:21:44 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 29ECA3BEF7; Wed, 9 May 2007 17:21:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=tB+Beug/Xt6Dyyp4/4nfyt9Dwz2xdnNty79+fFlCoaORpubXdkTTsoTSxu3zYpxlf0PmK/Ln4sPbymY5AEZ0m1CE+u5kzHB6vmeiUODAR2Dtv7V47dz8aavTsE/ExnrgHW2nAxBzY1NoMPDmkafs93rG7jHuieH/e0rHqdfGcIk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=qocRJ/muH+eFX9Ax6qIs//Nxo7qJaydne+aUyjIYFwPF0KKDaFnpytwSPo2rPel8JXODmZRgVaeY4M84x4TtNJzhU2h9ZXhqeGuzQsSvbmWNFOb0Ax8dftAbr+aFjKh+9KJ0Iixwj+HFHVRubugzuIec9FmVVIlIAjaEzkhHakE= Message-ID: Date: Wed, 9 May 2007 10:21:43 -0700 From: "Travis Hartnett" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Echoplex LED level indicators question. Please Help Me! In-Reply-To: <050920071715.27052.4642019E000D617E000069AC22165258560A040407909C050A0A99@comcast.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <050920071715.27052.4642019E000D617E000069AC22165258560A040407909C050A0A99@comcast.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70057 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 9 May 2007 17:21:44 +0000 (UTC) " input led dark and the feedback led strong green" That is baffling. Is there any audible distortion in the output? On 5/9/07, weeksville@comcast.net wrote: > > > I don't want to beat a dead horse, so please forgive me if I am, but the led level discrepancy starts from the very first loop recording. I mean from the get-go I can record a loop with the input led dark and the feedback led strong green. I understand that as I add loops the feedback led will indicate more signal than the input but from the very first loop? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 9 17:26:07 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 33B293BF0C; Wed, 9 May 2007 17:26:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: References: <200705081221406.SM05944@quahome> <1bb9024f313f8ad45812fad74ed07b5c@charter.net> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-3-708384039 Message-Id: From: Rev Fever Subject: Re: OREGON LOOP FESTIVAL Date: Wed, 9 May 2007 10:26:03 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70058 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 9 May 2007 17:26:07 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-3-708384039 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; delsp=yes; format=flowed Rev. Fever resides in Portland, OR. L8r, loopal8ors Rev. Fever: ELEMENTAL-Lux Aeternae ELEMENTAL-Thee Divine Imagination SKULT-Hypnofinger (forthcoming, eventually...) On May 8, 2007, at 11:03 PM, Neil Goldstein wrote: > Count me in. I live in Portland. > > On 5/8/07, tEd =AE kiLLiAn wrote: > Okay Ory-gun-ians, > > The following folk are current and/or former LD members who live in =20= > our > lovely wet state --that I know of:. > > Qua Veda -- qua@oregon.com -- in the McMinville area > > David Coffin -- dpcoffin@earthlink.net -- somewhere on the southern > Oregon coast. > > Dave Trenkle -- improv@peak.org -- Corvallis area > > Ted (myself) Killian -- tedkillian@charter.net -- Meford/Ashland area > > Possibly the Rev. Fever -- revfever@ubergadget.com -- location =20 > unknown. > > Richard Sales -- richard@glasswing.com -- Honorary Oregonian, actually > Vancouver B.C. > > Trasic Hartnett -- travishartnett@gmail.com -- Honorary Oregonian, > actually Seattle, WA > > There could be others . . . but somehow this doesn't seem to ad up to > much of a quorum (even with interested "honorary" Oregonians included) > let alone a guerilla marketing team. Maybe if we broadened it even =20 > more > to be a Pacific Northwest Loopfest -- but I still don't think we're > there yet. > > Doggone it. I hate being "the voice of reason." Too many dreams get > killed that way. > > Best regards, > > Ted Killian > > --Apple-Mail-3-708384039 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Rev. Fever resides in Portland, = OR.=A0

L8r, = loopal8ors

Rev.= Fever:

ELEMENTAL-Lux = Aeternae
ELEMENTAL-Thee Divine = Imagination
SKULT-Hypnofinger (forthcoming, = eventually...)

On May 8, 2007, at 11:03 PM, Neil = Goldstein wrote:

Count me in. I live in Portland.

On 5/8/07, tEd =AE = kiLLiAn <tedkillian@charter.net> = wrote:
Okay Ory-gun-ians,

The following folk are current and/or = former LD members who live in our
lovely wet state --that I know = of:.

Qua Veda -- qua@oregon.com -- in the McMinville = area

David Coffin -- dpcoffin@earthlink.net -- = somewhere on the southern
Oregon coast.

Dave Trenkle -- improv@peak.org -- Corvallis area =

Ted (myself) Killian -- tedkillian@charter.net -- = Meford/Ashland area

Possibly the Rev. Fever -- revfever@ubergadget.com -- = location unknown.

Richard Sales -- richard@glasswing.com -- = Honorary Oregonian, actually
Vancouver B.C.

Trasic Hartnett -- = = travishartnett@gmail.com -- Honorary Oregonian,
actually Seattle, = WA

There could be others . . . but somehow this doesn't seem to = ad up to
much of a quorum (even with interested "honorary" Oregonians = included)
let alone a guerilla marketing team. Maybe if we broadened = it even more
to be a Pacific Northwest Loopfest -- but I still don't = think we're
there yet.

Doggone it. I hate being "the voice of = reason." Too many dreams get
killed that way.

Best = regards,

Ted = Killian



<= /BODY>= --Apple-Mail-3-708384039-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 9 17:46:32 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 05AF83BF0E; Wed, 9 May 2007 17:46:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.no; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=JvSUXbAW2HD8flTkHfDuippKnHNd4x+T66V0glEtgsfc1sI1C4L4lNF531p0yExC/LE3AnuaLLV7YdX33glLp6HpumG7/WAcf2ElIUVYsC4ebu4eYcYMu8RcSJDZlerunO926AhuHa9jg2W2jLH/s5TSmD6lqbgYc7BnsdV9m5Q= ; Message-ID: <20070509174630.27281.qmail@web26208.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: b7hD3fsVM1netgdMR_cfvslPBCDHwhzhVGHqX0XuMFnl.KhzNWVs4Yp4C7ab59Iefd4rO.mjIi.JXZG47haqsby0dmS_k2iyi_saB9P5lsLiqFlSP7A4kJyJUS8- Date: Wed, 9 May 2007 19:46:30 +0200 (CEST) From: rune fagereng Subject: re. Finally some music I was involved in.... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <464200D9.4070805@addcom.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70059 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 9 May 2007 17:46:32 +0000 (UTC) Hi ! Impressing - How do you do this ? Rune F --- Stefan Tiedje skrev: > I played on sunday a gig in Caen, it was kindly > recorded by the > organizer and put on Youtube. > (I never get my own stuff published by myself....) > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HqvbgEazsUE > > As I never know what it means for others what I do, > any comments are > more than welcome (also the critical ones)... > Of course a video, as any recording, is only part of > the story... > > The story began in the morning, when I missed my > train due to a canceled > metro - the next train should go two hours later - I > decided to > hitchhike, and arrived less than one hour late... > At the moment all over Paris there are posters which > advertise the movie > "Hitcher" with big letters it says "ne prenez jamais > d'autostoppeur..." > - I guess it helped... ;-) > The improvisation began right in the morning, I > thought it was a good > start... > > Stefan > > -- > Stefan Tiedje------------x------- > --_____-----------|-------------- > --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()------- > -- _|_)----|-----()-------------- > ----------()--------www.ccmix.com > > www.runefagereng.com www.myspace.com/runefagereng www.youtube.com/watch?v=bOHN4az59A0 Mail:rune_fagereng@yahoo.no Mob: 917 95 867 _________________________________________________________ Alt i én. Få Yahoo! Mail med adressekartotek, kalender og notisblokk. http://no.mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 9 18:30:51 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CCA153BEF8; Wed, 9 May 2007 18:30:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: weeksville@comcast.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Echoplex LED level indicators question. Please Help Me! Date: Wed, 09 May 2007 18:30:48 +0000 Message-Id: <050920071830.8513.46421357000BB1920000214122120207840A040407909C050A0A99@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Oct 4 2006) X-Authenticated-Sender: d2Vla3N2aWxsZUBjb21jYXN0Lm5ldA== MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_8513_1178735448_0" Resent-Message-ID: <7YJD1C.A.DlF.bNhQGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70060 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 9 May 2007 18:30:51 +0000 (UTC) --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_8513_1178735448_0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit No distortion Travis. The big picture is I can use the echoplex as before in every way (and then some with the new software,) and just use my God given audio level detector (my ears) but it is just concerning that the LED's don't function as before. -------------- Original message -------------- From: "Travis Hartnett" > " input led dark and the feedback led strong green" > > That is baffling. Is there any audible distortion in the output? > > > On 5/9/07, weeksville@comcast.net wrote: > > > > > > I don't want to beat a dead horse, so please forgive me if I am, but the led > level discrepancy starts from the very first loop recording. I mean from the > get-go I can record a loop with the input led dark and the feedback led strong > green. I understand that as I add loops the feedback led will indicate more > signal than the input but from the very first loop? > --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_8513_1178735448_0 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
No distortion Travis.
The big picture is I can use the echoplex as before in every way (and then some with the new software,) and just use my God given audio level detector (my ears) but it is just concerning that the LED's don't function as before.
 
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From: "Travis Hartnett" <travishartnett@gmail.com>

> " input led dark and the feedback led strong green"
>
> That is baffling. Is there any audible distortion in the output?
>
>
> On 5/9/07, weeksville@comcast.net wrote:
> >
> >
> > I don't want to beat a dead horse, so please forgive me if I am, but the led
> level discrepancy starts from the very first loop recording. I mean from the
> get-go I can record a loop with the input led dark and the feedback led strong
> green. I understand that as I add loops the feedback led will indicate more
> signal than the input but from the very first loop?
>
--NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_8513_1178735448_0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 9 19:11:21 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 122BA3BEEC; Wed, 9 May 2007 19:11:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Qua Veda" To: Subject: RE: OREGON LOOP FESTIVAL Date: Wed, 9 May 2007 12:11:18 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0041_01C79233.26B063F0" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 Thread-Index: AceSX8lKaYILD5aERuWEmnLY+vIkjwADbO0g In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Message-Id: <20070509121546.SM04844@quahome> X-RBL-Warning: REVDNS: This E-mail was sent from a MUA/MTA 206.212.233.27 with no reverse DNS entry. X-Declude-Sender: qua@oregon.com [206.212.233.27] X-Declude-Spoolname: D1de7039e0000b215.smd X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude JunkMail (www.declude.com) for spam. Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70061 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 9 May 2007 19:11:20 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0041_01C79233.26B063F0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit There could be a possibility of really cool venues in the heart of Oregon wine country, some large old buildings etc its becoming more and more of a 'destination' for weekend touring . but perhaps not as big and diverse audience to draw on as Portland would offer. sounds like the beginnings of a critical mass of interest :-) -Qua _____ From: Rev Fever [mailto:revfever@ubergadget.com] Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2007 10:26 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OREGON LOOP FESTIVAL Rev. Fever resides in Portland, OR. L8r, loopal8ors Rev. Fever: ELEMENTAL-Lux Aeternae ELEMENTAL-Thee Divine Imagination SKULT-Hypnofinger (forthcoming, eventually...) On May 8, 2007, at 11:03 PM, Neil Goldstein wrote: Count me in. I live in Portland. On 5/8/07, tEd R kiLLiAn wrote: Okay Ory-gun-ians, The following folk are current and/or former LD members who live in our lovely wet state --that I know of:. Qua Veda -- qua@oregon.com -- in the McMinville area David Coffin -- dpcoffin@earthlink.net -- somewhere on the southern Oregon coast. Dave Trenkle -- improv@peak.org -- Corvallis area Ted (myself) Killian -- tedkillian@charter.net -- Meford/Ashland area Possibly the Rev. Fever -- revfever@ubergadget.com -- location unknown. Richard Sales -- richard@glasswing.com -- Honorary Oregonian, actually Vancouver B.C. Trasic Hartnett -- travishartnett@gmail.com -- Honorary Oregonian, actually Seattle, WA There could be others . . . but somehow this doesn't seem to ad up to much of a quorum (even with interested "honorary" Oregonians included) let alone a guerilla marketing team. Maybe if we broadened it even more to be a Pacific Northwest Loopfest -- but I still don't think we're there yet. Doggone it. I hate being "the voice of reason." Too many dreams get killed that way. Best regards, Ted Killian ------=_NextPart_000_0041_01C79233.26B063F0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
There could be a possibility of really cool = venues in the=20 heart of Oregon wine country,  some large old buildings=20 etc    its becoming more and more of a 'destination' for = weekend=20 touring .    but perhaps not as big and diverse audience = to draw=20 on as Portland would offer. 
 
sounds like the beginnings of a critical mass = of interest=20  :-)
-Qua

From: Rev Fever = [mailto:revfever@ubergadget.com]=20
Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2007 10:26 AM
To:=20 Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Re: OREGON LOOP=20 FESTIVAL

Rev. Fever resides in Portland, OR. 

L8r, loopal8ors

Rev. Fever:

ELEMENTAL-Lux Aeternae
ELEMENTAL-Thee Divine Imagination
SKULT-Hypnofinger (forthcoming, eventually...)

On May 8, 2007, at 11:03 PM, Neil Goldstein wrote:
Count me in. I live in Portland.

On 5/8/07, tEd ®=20 kiLLiAn <tedkillian@charter.net>=20 wrote:
Okay=20 Ory-gun-ians,

The following folk are current and/or former LD = members=20 who live in our
lovely wet state --that I know of:.

Qua = Veda -- qua@oregon.com -- in the = McMinville area=20

David Coffin -- dpcoffin@earthlink.net -- = somewhere=20 on the southern
Oregon coast.

Dave Trenkle -- improv@peak.org -- Corvallis = area=20

Ted (myself) Killian -- tedkillian@charter.net -- = Meford/Ashland area

Possibly the Rev. Fever -- revfever@ubergadget.com = --=20 location unknown.

Richard Sales -- richard@glasswing.com -- = Honorary=20 Oregonian, actually
Vancouver B.C.

Trasic Hartnett -- travishartnett@gmail.com -- = Honorary Oregonian,
actually Seattle, WA

There could be = others . .=20 . but somehow this doesn't seem to ad up to
much of a quorum = (even with=20 interested "honorary" Oregonians included)
let alone a guerilla=20 marketing team. Maybe if we broadened it even more
to be a = Pacific=20 Northwest Loopfest -- but I still don't think we're
there=20 yet.

Doggone it. I hate being "the voice of reason." Too many = dreams=20 get
killed that way.

Best regards,

Ted=20 = Killian



= ------=_NextPart_000_0041_01C79233.26B063F0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 9 19:35:53 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7213C3BEF1; Wed, 9 May 2007 19:35:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <20070509121546.SM04844@quahome> References: <20070509121546.SM04844@quahome> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-16-716171328 Message-Id: <1C18C1B8-3953-4C5B-BBA3-D9987EC70323@ubergadget.com> From: Rev Fever Subject: Re: OREGON LOOP FESTIVAL (Oregon wine country) Date: Wed, 9 May 2007 12:35:50 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70062 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 9 May 2007 19:35:53 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-16-716171328 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed The only prob I see with OWC is that the traffic situation out there, at least in several areas, (think 99W, etc) potentially becomes a nightmare on the weekends, and I would think that a weekend would be the only realistic time to do a fest. (but I could be wrong too....) And with the Summer tourist season rapidly approaching, and with OWC being a well-known destination for countless visitors, then....GULP! May not be the kind of "critical mass" that would be super enjoyable. :-) But otherwise, OWC *is* a lovely area! Just my 2 cents on the subject. -Rev. Fever On May 9, 2007, at 12:11 PM, Qua Veda wrote: > There could be a possibility of really cool venues in the heart of > Oregon wine country, some large old buildings etc its becoming > more and more of a 'destination' for weekend touring . but > perhaps not as big and diverse audience to draw on as Portland > would offer. > > sounds like the beginnings of a critical mass of interest :-) > -Qua > > From: Rev Fever [mailto:revfever@ubergadget.com] > Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2007 10:26 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: OREGON LOOP FESTIVAL > > Rev. Fever resides in Portland, OR. > > L8r, loopal8ors > > Rev. Fever: > > ELEMENTAL-Lux Aeternae > ELEMENTAL-Thee Divine Imagination > SKULT-Hypnofinger (forthcoming, eventually...) --Apple-Mail-16-716171328 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 The only prob I see with OWC is = that the traffic situation out there, at least in several areas, (think = 99W, etc)=A0 potentially becomes a nightmare on the weekends,
and I = would think that a weekend would be the only realistic time to do a = fest. (but I could be wrong too....)=A0

And with the Summer tourist = season rapidly approaching, and with OWC being a well-known destination = for countless visitors, then....GULP!
May not be the kind of = "critical mass" that would be super enjoyable. :-)=A0 =A0 =A0But = otherwise, OWC *is* a lovely area!

Just my 2 cents on the = subject.

-Rev. = Fever

On May 9, 2007, at 12:11 PM, Qua Veda = wrote:

There could be a possibility of really cool venues in the = heart of Oregon wine country,=A0 some large old buildings etc=A0=A0=A0 = its becoming more and more of a 'destination' for weekend touring .=A0=A0=A0= but perhaps not as big and diverse audience to draw on as Portland = would offer.=A0
=A0
sounds like the beginnings of a critical mass of interest = =A0:-)
-Qua

=
From: Rev = Fever [mailto:revfever@ubergadget.com= ]
Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2007 10:26 AM
To: Loopers-Delight@looper= s-delight.com
Subject: Re: OREGON LOOP = FESTIVAL

Rev. Fever resides in Portland, = OR.=A0

L8r, = loopal8ors

=
Rev. Fever:

=
ELEMENTAL-Lux Aeternae
ELEMENTAL-Thee Divine = Imagination
SKULT-Hypnofinger (forthcoming, eventually...) =

= --Apple-Mail-16-716171328-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 9 20:04:17 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 79C7E3BEFA; Wed, 9 May 2007 20:04:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AgAAAB/FQUbUSnILk2dsb2JhbACPegIBAQcIBgcFH59c Message-ID: <46422954.9020602@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Wed, 09 May 2007 21:04:36 +0100 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Echoplex LED level indicators question. Please Help Me! References: <050920071641.9138.4641F9CD000F3F56000023B222165258560A040407909C050A0A99@comcast.net> In-Reply-To: <050920071641.9138.4641F9CD000F3F56000023B222165258560A040407909C050A0A99@comcast.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70063 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 9 May 2007 20:04:17 +0000 (UTC) My EDPs are exactly the same in this respect.Actually, I'd wonder why the feedback LED was lighting at all during Record. I'd ignore it, in fact I didn't even notice it happening. Use the input LED to monitor Input. ..and the Feedback LED to tell you when you're overloading the loop. andy butler weeksville@comcast.net wrote: > I am still looking for an answer to this question. I have scoured the > mailing list and cannot find any help. The closest post I can find is > from Kim in 1998. Please help me. I upgraded to Loop IV 1.1 software > and now the input led and feedback led indicators are not working > properly (I think.) The feedback led registers much hotter than the > input led when recording. My echoplex is 2003 build so the input R10 > and R 30 modification is in there. I put the Loop III 5.0 chips back in > the unit and the described problem still exists. So I put the Loop IV > 1.1 back in. May main question is this... which led should I use to set > my levels? I can get a good solid green signal on the feedback led > without the input led even registering (ie it is dark.) When the input > led is good and green, no yellow/orange, and not even close to red, the > feedback led is orange and borders on red. I am using the same gear I > have always used so my input instruments haven't changed. HELP! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 9 20:15:14 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0F4173BEF8; Wed, 9 May 2007 20:15:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: weeksville@comcast.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Echoplex LED level indicators question. Please Help Me! Date: Wed, 09 May 2007 20:15:10 +0000 Message-Id: <050920072015.17070.46422BCE000A1A44000042AE22120207840A040407909C050A0A99@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Oct 4 2006) X-Authenticated-Sender: d2Vla3N2aWxsZUBjb21jYXN0Lm5ldA== MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_17070_1178741710_0" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70064 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 9 May 2007 20:15:14 +0000 (UTC) --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_17070_1178741710_0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I hope this doesn't sound flippant, but when you say "My EDPs are exactly the same in this respect" exactly what do you mean? Do you mean when you record your first loop the feedback level is higher than the original input level or you can get the feedback level LED to light even when the input LED is dark? -------------- Original message -------------- From: andy butler > > in this respect.Actually, I'd wonder why the > feedback LED was lighting at all during Record. > I'd ignore it, in fact I didn't even notice it happening. > > > Use the input LED to monitor Input. > ..and the Feedback LED to tell you when you're overloading the loop. > > andy butler > > > weeksville@comcast.net wrote: > > I am still looking for an answer to this question. I have scoured the > > mailing list and cannot find any help. The closest post I can find is > > from Kim in 1998. Please help me. I upgraded to Loop IV 1.1 software > > and now the input led and feedback led indicators are not working > > properly (I think.) The feedback led registers much hotter than the > > input led when recording. My echoplex is 2003 build so the input R10 > > and R 30 modification is in there. I put the Loop III 5.0 chips back in > > the unit and the described problem still exists. So I put the Loop IV > > 1.1 back in. May main question is this... which led should I use to set > > my levels? I can get a good solid green signal on the feedback led > > without the input led even registering (ie it is dark.) When the input > > led is good and green, no yellow/orange, and not even close to red, the > > feedback led is orange and borders on red. I am using the same gear I > > have always used so my input instruments haven't changed. HELP! > --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_17070_1178741710_0 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
I hope this doesn't sound flippant, but when you say "My EDPs are exactly the same in this respect" exactly what do you mean?  Do you mean when you record your first loop the feedback level is higher than the original input level or you can get the feedback level LED to light even when the input LED is dark? 
 
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From: andy butler <akbutler@tiscali.co.uk>

>
> in this respect.Actually, I'd wonder why the
> feedback LED was lighting at all during Record.
> I'd ignore it, in fact I didn't even notice it happening.
>
>
> Use the input LED to monitor Input.
> ..and the Feedback LED to tell you when you're overloading the loop.
>
> andy butler
>
>
> weeksville@comcast.net wrote:
> > I am still looking for an answer to this question. I have scoured the
> > mailing list and cannot find any help. The closest post I can find is
> > from Kim in 1998. Please help me. I upgraded to Loop IV 1.1 software
> > and now the input led and feedback led indicators are not working
> > properly (I think.) The feedback led registe rs much hotter than the
> > input led when recording. My echoplex is 2003 build so the input R10
> > and R 30 modification is in there. I put the Loop III 5.0 chips back in
> > the unit and the described problem still exists. So I put the Loop IV
> > 1.1 back in. May main question is this... which led should I use to set
> > my levels? I can get a good solid green signal on the feedback led
> > without the input led even registering (ie it is dark.) When the input
> > led is good and green, no yellow/orange, and not even close to red, the
> > feedback led is orange and borders on red. I am using the same gear I
> > have always used so my input instruments haven't changed. HELP!
>
--NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_17070_1178741710_0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 9 20:24:44 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0AE253BEEA; Wed, 9 May 2007 20:24:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [4.246.3.183] X-Originating-Email: [sambacomet@hotmail.com] X-Sender: sambacomet@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <20070509174632.DEBBD3BF16@arsenic.violacea.com> From: "samba -" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: OregonLoops Date: Wed, 09 May 2007 13:24:39 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 May 2007 20:24:41.0486 (UTC) FILETIME=[12F0F2E0:01C79278] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70065 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 9 May 2007 20:24:43 +0000 (UTC) Ted you've already listed more people than produce the Santa Cruz event. Rick actually does most all of the organization and preproduction himself. I know Bill does some too-I know he procured that lovely Bose system last year. Same for Krispen in Boise ,I believe. I can possibly get another friend who produces small concerts in Eugene ,and is just getting into looping himself- (he did something related w 2 echoplexes and the Suntar a double necked solid body dulcimer,one neck fretless,made by one of the original Alembic guys)in the mid 70s ) He also has lot's of experience,with all sizes of events ,and has venues sound Promo hooked up.The right venue is the challenge,as I see it. Somewhere outside,not in a town would be wonderful. It is possible to use public lands for events sometimes but that means bringing in everything incuding power.Would have to be summer. Portland or Eugene make the most sense.Portland probably better draw, pulls from whole Willamette valley,closer to Seattle .You're in Medford/Ashland area? far for you . Could also do a series of concerts instead of a one off event ,say one each in Ashland,Eugene,Bend Ptld? _________________________________________________________________ Like the way Microsoft Office Outlook works? You’ll love Windows Live Hotmail. http://imagine-windowslive.com/hotmail/?locale=en-us&ocid=TXT_TAGHM_migration_HM_mini_outlook_0507 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 9 20:29:11 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 59DDD3BEF8; Wed, 9 May 2007 20:29:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Stefan Smulovitz" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OREGON LOOP FESTIVAL Date: Wed, 9 May 2007 15:29:08 -0500 Message-Id: <20070509202806.M65076@kenaxis.com> In-Reply-To: <20070509174632.D4EFF3BF15@arsenic.violacea.com> References: <20070509174632.D4EFF3BF15@arsenic.violacea.com> X-Mailer: OpenWebMail 2.52 20060502 X-OriginatingIP: 142.58.133.58 (kenaxis) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-yoursite-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-yoursite-MailScanner: Not scanned: please contact your Internet E-Mail Service Provider for details X-yoursite-MailScanner-From: stefan@kenaxis.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70066 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 9 May 2007 20:29:11 +0000 (UTC) Count me in as well. Grew up in Eugene and live in Vancouver, BC right now. Stefan Smulovitz www.kenaxis.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 9 20:41:20 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EB7C53BEF7; Wed, 9 May 2007 20:41:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AgAAAPbOQUbUSnIMk2dsb2JhbACPegIBAQcIBgcFH6AH Message-ID: <464231FF.7010704@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Wed, 09 May 2007 21:41:35 +0100 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, Matthias Grob Subject: Re: Echoplex LED level indicators question. Please Help Me! References: <050920072015.17070.46422BCE000A1A44000042AE22120207840A040407909C050A0A99@comcast.net> In-Reply-To: <050920072015.17070.46422BCE000A1A44000042AE22120207840A040407909C050A0A99@comcast.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70067 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 9 May 2007 20:41:19 +0000 (UTC) weeksville@comcast.net wrote: > I hope this doesn't sound flippant, but when you say "My EDPs are > exactly the same in this respect" exactly what do you mean? I meant that the FB LEDS did strange stuff during record. > Do you mean > when you record your first loop the feedback level is higher than the > original input level or you can get the feedback level LED to light even > when the input LED is dark? FB LED comes on green much quicker than the Inp. ..but FB LED doesn't go Red on Record ever. Hope that puts your mind at rest:-) Also if you Record a silent loop, and then go into Overdub the Feedback LED will light during sound input. I reckon Matthias wanted to see the overload in the loop as he was putting on a new layer to the loop, then he could undo and the distortion could be erased, but that's pure guesswork on my part. Maybe it's just that place where the signal for the LED is taken on the circuit gets the input to the loop, which is the FB plus the edp input. Matthias or Kim could probably say exactly what's going on here. As both LEDS do what they're supposed to, and this seems to be a normal part of EDP operation you certainly don't want to send your edp away for this. The difference in response makes sense, the 2 LEDS perform different functions. andy butler > > > -------------- Original message -------------- > From: andy butler > > > > > in this respect.Actually, I'd wonder why the > > feedback LED was lighting at all during Record. > > I'd ignore it, in fact I didn't even notice it happening. > > > > > > Use the input LED to monitor Input. > > ..and the Feedback LED to tell you when you're overloading the loop. > > > > andy butler > > > > > > weeksville@comcast.net wrote: > > > I am still looking for an answer to this question. I have > scoured the > > > mailing list and cannot find any help. The closest post I can > find is > > > from Kim in 1998. Please help me. I upgraded to Loop IV 1.1 > software > > > and now the input led and feedback led indicators are not working > > > properly (I think.) The feedback led registe rs much hotter > than the > > > input led when recording. My echoplex is 2003 build so the > input R10 > > > and R 30 modification is in there. I put the Loop III 5.0 chips > back in > > > the unit and the described problem still exists. So I put the > Loop IV > > > 1.1 back in. May main question is this... which led should I > use to set > > > my levels? I can get a good solid green signal on the feedback led > > > without the input led even registering (ie it is dark.) When > the input > > > led is good and green, no yellow/orange, and not even close to > red, the > > > feedback led is orange and borders on red. I am using the same > gear I > > > have always used so my input instruments haven't changed. HELP! > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 9 21:10:35 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C4B063BEB6; Wed, 9 May 2007 21:10:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <1265328122.1178745031011.JavaMail.root@fepweb06> Date: Wed, 9 May 2007 14:10:30 -0700 From: =?utf-8?Q?tEd_=C2=AE_kiLLiAn?= To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OregonLoops Cc: samba - MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Sensitivity: Normal X-Originating-IP: from 66.169.241.110 by mail.charter.net; Wed, 9 May 2007 17:10:30 -0400 X-Chzlrs: 0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70068 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 9 May 2007 21:10:35 +0000 (UTC) Samba, The problem is For comparison sake, Rick (and Bill) are producing theirs in their home tow= n, Sant Cruz. All these other folk are talking about putting something on where none of u= s live, possibly the middle of nowhere. I can attend and perform at such a show. But organizing and planning a fest in the middle of nowhere is beyond MY ab= ilities and willingness to ad stress to my life. I can put on a show in Medford/Ashland, but not much of anyone would come. There is my dilemma. -- tEd =C2=AE kiLLiAn "Different is not always better, but better is always different" Flux Aeterna: http://phobos.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewAlbum?p= layListId=3D6378076=20 http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073 http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314 http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193 http://www.loopers-delight.com/cgi-bin/profiles.cgi?step=3Dview_profile&id= =3D121197000042 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So??? ---- samba - wrote:=20 >=20 > Ted you've already listed more people than produce the Santa Cruz event= .=20 > Rick actually does most all of the organization and preproduction himsel= f.=20 > I know Bill does some too-I know he procured that lovely Bose system last= =20 > year. Same for Krispen in Boise ,I believe. I can possibly get another= =20 > friend who produces small concerts in Eugene ,and is just getting into=20 > looping himself- (he did something related w 2 echoplexes and the Sunta= r a=20 > double necked solid body dulcimer,one neck fretless,made by one of the= =20 > original Alembic guys)in the mid 70s ) He also has lot's of experience,wi= th=20 > all sizes of events ,and has venues sound Promo hooked up.The right venue= is=20 > the challenge,as I see it. Somewhere outside,not in a town would be=20 > wonderful. It is possible to use public lands for events sometimes but t= hat=20 > means bringing in everything incuding power.Would have to be summer.=20 > Portland or Eugene make the most sense.Portland probably better draw, pul= ls=20 > from whole Willamette valley,closer to Seattle .You're in Medford/Ashland= =20 > area? far for you . Could also do a series of concerts instead of a one o= ff =20 > event ,say one each in Ashland,Eugene,Bend Ptld? >=20 > _________________________________________________________________ > Like the way Microsoft Office Outlook works? You=E2=80=99ll love Windows = Live=20 > Hotmail.=20 > http://imagine-windowslive.com/hotmail/?locale=3Den-us&ocid=3DTXT_TAGHM_m= igration_HM_mini_outlook_0507 >=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 9 21:13:55 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 296583BEE2; Wed, 9 May 2007 21:13:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <2028804982.1178745233936.JavaMail.root@fepweb06> Date: Wed, 9 May 2007 14:13:53 -0700 From: =?utf-8?Q?tEd_=C2=AE_kiLLiAn?= To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OregonLoops Cc: samba - MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Sensitivity: Normal X-Originating-IP: from 66.169.241.110 by mail.charter.net; Wed, 9 May 2007 17:13:53 -0400 X-Chzlrs: 0 Resent-Message-ID: <0X4uTB.A.YmC.SmjQGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70069 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 9 May 2007 21:13:54 +0000 (UTC) Samba, It's Cris Cohn isn't it? Onemore point . . . I hate doing outdoor gigs. I've done enough of them to = say I've been there done that. I'll do no more. -- tEd =C2=AE kiLLiAn "Different is not always better, but better is always different" Flux Aeterna: http://phobos.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewAlbum?p= layListId=3D6378076=20 http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073 http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314 http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193 http://www.loopers-delight.com/cgi-bin/profiles.cgi?step=3Dview_profile&id= =3D121197000042 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So??? ---- samba - wrote:=20 >=20 > Ted you've already listed more people than produce the Santa Cruz event= .=20 > Rick actually does most all of the organization and preproduction himsel= f.=20 > I know Bill does some too-I know he procured that lovely Bose system last= =20 > year. Same for Krispen in Boise ,I believe. I can possibly get another= =20 > friend who produces small concerts in Eugene ,and is just getting into=20 > looping himself- (he did something related w 2 echoplexes and the Sunta= r a=20 > double necked solid body dulcimer,one neck fretless,made by one of the= =20 > original Alembic guys)in the mid 70s ) He also has lot's of experience,wi= th=20 > all sizes of events ,and has venues sound Promo hooked up.The right venue= is=20 > the challenge,as I see it. Somewhere outside,not in a town would be=20 > wonderful. It is possible to use public lands for events sometimes but t= hat=20 > means bringing in everything incuding power.Would have to be summer.=20 > Portland or Eugene make the most sense.Portland probably better draw, pul= ls=20 > from whole Willamette valley,closer to Seattle .You're in Medford/Ashland= =20 > area? far for you . Could also do a series of concerts instead of a one o= ff =20 > event ,say one each in Ashland,Eugene,Bend Ptld? >=20 > _________________________________________________________________ > Like the way Microsoft Office Outlook works? You=E2=80=99ll love Windows = Live=20 > Hotmail.=20 > http://imagine-windowslive.com/hotmail/?locale=3Den-us&ocid=3DTXT_TAGHM_m= igration_HM_mini_outlook_0507 >=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 9 22:09:08 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EFFAE3BEF8; Wed, 9 May 2007 22:09:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=b0wf7+iQ9G0P/0KhN/zmeW2LJ2jo1zb7XD2jOPZ8dMDuCoCEIQzr5pkuiVyD+HOvmVAaaGHxJ8vpHnXTX+CBqbnauLa9Joo56F/Lo+da0mVOH0ASeRvxbAlar+QUvuTgudjsNhNVgriPKs2I0tKB0J4Ja/iw6TRPhsp03ocw3ZY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=G/9zzYlhnQ4K3vTcAk+jWgDTNjJEjYk98r/NOtUIGk5nKt4YHt0O/xdGwvawipoFdeKy6nyAmfjAa9hz/lHc6sKXhX2P1nATZtDiPOA6GsYrFC8z9k0yZgbYVqG1YhFr4Tt0M8B28D1oWLqRBRIQ/sEaoKRTLb2kGAR5WvYry54= Message-ID: Date: Thu, 10 May 2007 00:09:04 +0200 From: "Raul Bonell" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: re. Finally some music I was involved in.... In-Reply-To: <20070509174630.27281.qmail@web26208.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <464200D9.4070805@addcom.de> <20070509174630.27281.qmail@web26208.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70070 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 9 May 2007 22:09:07 +0000 (UTC) Interesting & funny, at the same time. That's how music should be on mornings, isn't? Can you tell us something about the set up? I'd be interested to know what you were running in the computer, as well as sync/async issues. Thanks Stefan for sharing, Ra=FCl. 2007/5/9, rune fagereng : > Hi ! > > Impressing - How do you do this ? > > Rune F > > > --- Stefan Tiedje skrev: > > > I played on sunday a gig in Caen, it was kindly > > recorded by the > > organizer and put on Youtube. > > (I never get my own stuff published by myself....) > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DHqvbgEazsUE > > > > As I never know what it means for others what I do, > > any comments are > > more than welcome (also the critical ones)... > > Of course a video, as any recording, is only part of > > the story... > > > > The story began in the morning, when I missed my > > train due to a canceled > > metro - the next train should go two hours later - I > > decided to > > hitchhike, and arrived less than one hour late... > > At the moment all over Paris there are posters which > > advertise the movie > > "Hitcher" with big letters it says "ne prenez jamais > > d'autostoppeur..." > > - I guess it helped... ;-) > > The improvisation began right in the morning, I > > thought it was a good > > start... > > > > Stefan > > > > -- > > Stefan Tiedje------------x------- > > --_____-----------|-------------- > > --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()------- > > -- _|_)----|-----()-------------- > > ----------()--------www.ccmix.com > > > > > > > www.runefagereng.com > www.myspace.com/runefagereng > www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DbOHN4az59A0 > Mail:rune_fagereng@yahoo.no > Mob: 917 95 867 > > > > > > _________________________________________________________ > Alt i =E9n. F=E5 Yahoo! Mail med adressekartotek, kalender og > notisblokk. http://no.mail.yahoo.com > > --=20 The Playing Orchestra: http://www.telefonica.net/web2/tpo Chain Tape Collective: http://www.ct-collective.com TPO at myspace: http://www.myspace.com/theplayingorchestra From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 9 22:31:46 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 868653BEF6; Wed, 9 May 2007 22:31:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Anthony Mitchell" To: Subject: UNSUBSCRIBE - PLEASE!!!!! Date: Thu, 10 May 2007 08:31:44 +1000 Message-ID: <000c01c79289$d31fa5f0$0400a8c0@Golddragon> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000D_01C792DD.A4CBB5F0" X-Priority: 1 (Highest) X-MSMail-Priority: High X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Thread-Index: AceSidJzoNqnis7GSVWtbf0l3x2C+A== Importance: High Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70071 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 9 May 2007 22:31:46 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000D_01C792DD.A4CBB5F0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Please Unsubscribe me, I have tried to do this 4 times... mitch ------=_NextPart_000_000D_01C792DD.A4CBB5F0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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------=_NextPart_000_000D_01C792DD.A4CBB5F0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 9 22:49:34 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 295593BEF5; Wed, 9 May 2007 22:49:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <46424FFA.2080103@addcom.de> Date: Thu, 10 May 2007 00:49:30 +0200 From: Stefan Tiedje User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.0 (Macintosh/20070326) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: re. Finally some music I was involved in.... References: <464200D9.4070805@addcom.de> <20070509174630.27281.qmail@web26208.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70072 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 9 May 2007 22:49:34 +0000 (UTC) Raul Bonell schrieb: > Interesting & funny, at the same time. > That's how music should be on mornings, isn't? Well, it was afternoon, but the election day in France, I guess that's a bit like not wanting to get up in the morning... > Can you tell us something about the set up? > I'd be interested to know what you were running > in the computer, as well as sync/async issues. Well, I had my headset running into a Max patch (my Ondes Memorielles...) There was only async, but without issues, I guess its a question of aesthetics... Lawrence had some pickups on his instruments, which where fed through his mixer into my box. I was using the Chantereine Plastic bottle I mentioned recently - the Stradivari of plastic bottles. If you come to France you should get a bunch of them, they usually come with water, in this case I drank it long before the show. They sell 6 bottles for 1.20 Euros, the price seems to be in reverse relationship to the sound quality - unlike with violins which I was playing when I went to school... Other gear involved was my voice and some Tibetan bowels... Stefan -- Stefan Tiedje------------x------- --_____-----------|-------------- --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()------- -- _|_)----|-----()-------------- ----------()--------www.ccmix.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 9 23:20:29 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2A3A53BEEC; Wed, 9 May 2007 23:20:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [4.246.3.233] X-Originating-Email: [sambacomet@hotmail.com] X-Sender: sambacomet@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <20070509211036.C2D143BEF8@arsenic.violacea.com> From: "samba -" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: OreLoop winewhine Date: Wed, 09 May 2007 16:20:26 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 May 2007 23:20:27.0074 (UTC) FILETIME=[A099FA20:01C79290] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70073 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 9 May 2007 23:20:29 +0000 (UTC) I've played a lot of winery gigs,fun if you like wine. I see two problems.Number one some wineries couldn't be all ages events. A shame I think The other problem is a deal killer for me. People drinking get louder and louder and louder.It's not a problem for high volume rock,dance bands,Stanosaur etc. But for any subtle exploration it becomes impossible to hear,the vibes pushed the explorations into harsher territoty, etc. Reed college in Portland is a good possible sponsor ,they've always been into cutting edge arts. 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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 10 00:32:12 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B484D3BED5; Thu, 10 May 2007 00:32:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at cavesofice.org Date: Wed, 9 May 2007 20:30:46 -0400 (EDT) From: burnett@pobox.com X-X-Sender: badger@giggles.cavesofice.org To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: [LOOP] UNSUBSCRIBE - PLEASE!!!!! In-Reply-To: <000c01c79289$d31fa5f0$0400a8c0@Golddragon> Message-ID: References: <000c01c79289$d31fa5f0$0400a8c0@Golddragon> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70074 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 10 May 2007 00:32:12 +0000 (UTC) On Thu, 10 May 2007, Anthony Mitchell wrote: > Please Unsubscribe me, I have tried to do this 4 times... Then you're apparently doing it wrong.... >From http://www.loopers-delight.com/list/LoopList.html "I'm sorry, I need to unsubscribe from Looper's Delight. How do I do that? It's not that I dislike people there or anything, you understand. To unsubscribe, send mail with the word "unsubscribe" in both the subject and body, and no sig files or anything else, to: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com If you are on the digest version of Looper's Delight, send your unsubscribe request to: Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com Don't send your unsubscribe message to the list, or people will make fun of you and you will feel like a dork." "Here", as Sean Connery said in _The Untouchables_, "endeth the lesson." regards, Steve B Subscape Annex http://www.subscapeannex.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 10 01:54:43 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BC1073BEF1; Thu, 10 May 2007 01:54:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <04ba01c792a6$23de34e0$6b01a8c0@DTT60> From: "Dave Trenkel" To: References: Subject: Re: OregonLoops Date: Wed, 9 May 2007 18:54:26 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Spam-Score: 1.105 (*) NO_DNS_FOR_FROM X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.39 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70075 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 10 May 2007 01:54:43 +0000 (UTC) Hey all, Sorry to have been so silent on this subject, I just got back from a 10 days of gigs in Montana, Idaho and Washington. I have a some experience organizing alternative music festivals, and have a lot of contacts around the state from having played music of varying degrees of experimentalism around Oregon for more than 2 decades. My only hesitation about getting involved in such a festival is that we are just starting our major touring/gigging season and I will be on the road for much of the spring and summer, and don't practically see a way to be the point person for a Looping festival unless it was to happen in Oct./Nov. 2007 or later. I know how much work Rick must put into the y2k festivals, and there's just no way I could do that right now. I would however do whatever I could to help such a person with contacts, ideas, brainstorming, experiences, whatever, because I'd love to see suvh a festival happen. I live in Corvallis, and am pretty active in the Eugene scene, there are a few venues in Eugene that may be appropriate for this type of show. There might be some in Portland as well. It might be a good idea to organize a private mailing list to brainstorm on the scope and scale of what we'd like this festival to be, and then start investigating when and where it should happen. BTW, speaking of Ashland, there's a fairly hip club there called Mobius, seems like the perfect place for a loopfest, eh? Seriously, we haven't played there yet, but will probably some time in the next few months, but they have a rep for doing interesting electronica/live band stuff. ----- Original Message ----- From: "samba -" To: Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2007 1:24 PM Subject: OregonLoops > > Ted you've already listed more people than produce the Santa Cruz event. > Rick actually does most all of the organization and preproduction > himself. I know Bill does some too-I know he procured that lovely Bose > system last year. Same for Krispen in Boise ,I believe. I can possibly > get another friend who produces small concerts in Eugene ,and is just > getting into looping himself- (he did something related w 2 echoplexes > and the Suntar a double necked solid body dulcimer,one neck fretless,made > by one of the original Alembic guys)in the mid 70s ) He also has lot's of > experience,with all sizes of events ,and has venues sound Promo hooked > up.The right venue is the challenge,as I see it. Somewhere outside,not in > a town would be wonderful. It is possible to use public lands for events > sometimes but that means bringing in everything incuding power.Would have > to be summer. Portland or Eugene make the most sense.Portland probably > better draw, pulls from whole Willamette valley,closer to Seattle .You're > in Medford/Ashland area? far for you . Could also do a series of concerts > instead of a one off event ,say one each in Ashland,Eugene,Bend Ptld? > > _________________________________________________________________ > Like the way Microsoft Office Outlook works? You'll love Windows Live > Hotmail. > http://imagine-windowslive.com/hotmail/?locale=en-us&ocid=TXT_TAGHM_migration_HM_mini_outlook_0507 > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 10 02:00:28 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4D3F33BEF1; Thu, 10 May 2007 02:00:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <04bf01c792a6$f1324b20$6b01a8c0@DTT60> From: "Dave Trenkel" To: References: Subject: Re: OreLoop winewhine Date: Wed, 9 May 2007 19:00:10 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Spam-Score: 1.105 (*) NO_DNS_FOR_FROM X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.39 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70076 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 10 May 2007 02:00:28 +0000 (UTC) In my experience, winery audiences are not exactly the most boisterous. But it does seem like most wine-related gigs seem to have expectations of what kinds of music/energy happen there, and it seems to generally be pretty conservative. The last winery Eleven Eyes played (this was in California, not OR, but still applies) had a rule about no bass solos. Well, not only did I take a bass solo, I took a FUZZ bass solo, and the owner still asked us back. But still, I think trying to organize a loop/experimental music festival as a destination event at a winery might be a bit futile. I think some sort of urban space in Portland or Eugene might actually attract an audience. ----- Original Message ----- From: "samba -" To: Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2007 4:20 PM Subject: OreLoop winewhine > > I've played a lot of winery gigs,fun if you like wine. I see two > problems.Number one some wineries couldn't be all ages events. A shame I > think The other problem is a deal killer for me. People drinking get > louder and louder and louder.It's not a problem for high volume rock,dance > bands,Stanosaur etc. But for any subtle exploration it becomes impossible > to hear,the vibes pushed the explorations into harsher territoty, etc. > Reed college in Portland is a good possible sponsor ,they've always been > into cutting edge arts. > Ted's right there needs to be a principle in whatever town/area the venue > is in. > > _________________________________________________________________ > See what you're getting into.before you go there > http://newlivehotmail.com/?ocid=TXT_TAGHM_migration_HM_viral_preview_0507 > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 10 07:00:33 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 134893BEF1; Thu, 10 May 2007 07:00:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=IfgbF8bcXVs87+4P3gp3eumE0SiE5bRbYi9MkZfsIpZyrnKQvfLrhZT3EgxvW/UXK56GhVgeHJaUjhMlytCrJAw0cj2wD9T2wAYbO/aj7KYQOfKEj9bFwhzyFAC10pgmZOvgyM3b18S8sCW1svHNCxC3POhDklvbVnCCUggvGtc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=oT/9bxWaS9CR+gJS3wsISMvUEPMBM2J6IoSOcp1YJxYVLzYP5KVWK3XwNFuS+OIeDfAfvJruqXn8cqCORJS5hFRUsAJVO24WZeHJ8GsY6Jf/Fpcoq5s6bi6w2CDn6bS4FFvIFi0omkpkBJwf2A39CkZkq8muAKRvqusiytIXvn8= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <20070509174630.27281.qmail@web26208.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> References: <20070509174630.27281.qmail@web26208.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <76A812B3-E9F9-48D7-88B3-2E3C5EE9E760@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: re. Finally some music I was involved in.... Date: Thu, 10 May 2007 09:00:26 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70077 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 10 May 2007 07:00:32 +0000 (UTC) --- Stefan Tiedje skrev: > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HqvbgEazsUE > > As I never know what it means for others what I do, > any comments are > more than welcome (also the critical ones)... Thanks, I enjoyed watching you noise makers in action! ;-)) It's difficult to come up with any critical comment because what you were doing there is so musically abstract. You know, when it is abstract it is what it is and that's why I like it the way it is. However, it's nice when you are able to see the physical objects used for inputting audio, in this case The Bottle. You become friendly with the original bottle sound and then you follow its further adventures inside the max patch. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) http://tinyurl.com/2kek7h (CC donationware music releases) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 10 09:44:39 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3E5AB3BEF5; Thu, 10 May 2007 09:44:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4642E982.4060600@addcom.de> Date: Thu, 10 May 2007 11:44:34 +0200 From: Stefan Tiedje User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.0 (Macintosh/20070326) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: re. Finally some music I was involved in.... References: <20070509174630.27281.qmail@web26208.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <76A812B3-E9F9-48D7-88B3-2E3C5EE9E760@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <76A812B3-E9F9-48D7-88B3-2E3C5EE9E760@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70078 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 10 May 2007 09:44:39 +0000 (UTC) Per Boysen schrieb: > Thanks, I enjoyed watching you noise makers in action! ;-)) It's > difficult to come up with any critical comment because what you were > doing there is so musically abstract. Yes, the main part you can't get into a documentary like a video or any recording. The space, the people, the interaction with them. For example there was a kid making sounds, I was responding to it, that's obvious for the audience, its completely lost in the recording... I had my own fight with feedback, too many mikes open... which is something to adapt in the concert situation. For a recording to publish I'd usually would set everything up very differently... In general in concerts its easier to make the process transparent than in recordings of any kind... Stefan -- Stefan Tiedje------------x------- --_____-----------|-------------- --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()------- -- _|_)----|-----()-------------- ----------()--------www.ccmix.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 10 10:18:06 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A74E43BEF7; Thu, 10 May 2007 10:18:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <000601c792ec$7cacb920$0207a8c0@eluk1> From: "Stephen Goodman" To: References: <20070509174630.27281.qmail@web26208.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <76A812B3-E9F9-48D7-88B3-2E3C5EE9E760@gmail.com> <4642E982.4060600@addcom.de> Subject: Racks? Date: Thu, 10 May 2007 11:17:57 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70079 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 10 May 2007 10:18:06 +0000 (UTC) Hi folks, I know there's something in the archive, there must be, but trying to separate 'rack' from 'rack unit' or 'rack kit' is a bit of a pain. So! In the London UK area, where does one find the parts to put together a rack for fx units etc? I'm sure the English call the technology something completely different than what I'd expect, but instead of poring through loads of non-relevant messages I thought I'd ask here. Thanks in advance, Stephen Goodman * * Cartoons about DVDs and Stuff * http://www.earthlight.net/HiddenTrack * The Loop Of The Week since 1996! * http://www.earthlight.net/Studios From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 10 10:37:03 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 64BDD3BEFC; Thu, 10 May 2007 10:37:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Thu, 10 May 2007 06:41:13 -0400 From: Bill Fox Subject: Listent to Afterglow, Galactic Travels, and The AM/FM Show To: undisclosed-recipients: ; Message-id: <4642F6C9.4080608@soundscapes.us> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.10 (Windows/20070221) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70080 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 10 May 2007 10:37:03 +0000 (UTC) AFTERGLOW ON WMUH: http://soundscapes.us/afterglow ======================================================================= Afterglow airs from 8:00 am to 9:30 am every Thursday morning. Tune in for a delightful mix of eclectic musical genres including a healthy dose of Progressive Rock. Tune in at 91.7 FM or on the internet at: http://muhlenberg.edu/wmuh I will play the music of bands playing on the 19th at the New Jersy Proghouse. GALACTIC TRAVELS ON WDIY: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt ======================================================================= Tonight at 11 pm on Galactic Travels, I'll continue the month-long Special Focus on Steve Roach who will be at the Gatherings on the 19th. The Featured CD at Midnight will be "Day Out of Time" on Timeroom Editions Records. The Vinyl Starter will be from the LP "Tibetan Bells II" by Henry Wolf and Nancy Hennings on Celestial Harmonies Records and released in 1981. For details, see the Special Focus page at: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2007/focus.html#may Galactic Travels is an electronic, ambient, and space music show that airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg, 93.7 FM in Fogelsville and Trexlertown, on the internet, and in High Definition Radio at 88.1 FM. THE AM/FM SHOW ON WMUH: http://soundscapes.us/amfm ======================================================================= My next stint on the AM/FM Show will be Saturday, May 12 at 6:00 am. I will continue the special on E-dition Electronic Music Magazine's sampler CDs. I will play the music of bands playing on the 19th at the New Jersy Proghouse and at The Gatherings. Tune in to WMUH Allentown at 91.7 FM, broadcasting from the campus of Muhlenberg College. I alternate hosting the show with Bruce. When I am at the helm, the show features electronic, ambient, and spacemusic at the beginning, an eclectic mix of genres in the middle, and winds up with Progressive Rock. WMUH's web site is http://muhlenberg.edu/wmuh ====================================================================== All Times are EDT / GMT-4. Listen on-line to WDIY at http://wdiy.org and click LISTEN or go directly to: http://rm1.refugemedia.com/ramgen/encoder/wdiy.rm Listen on-line to WMUH at http://www.muhlenberg.edu/wmuh and click the REAL AUDIO link or go directly to: rtsp://helix.muhlenberg.edu:554/broadcast/live.rm From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 10 15:26:36 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 80E3A3BED6; Thu, 10 May 2007 15:26:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <40db46939e94f3e8512cd434b310dcfe@mac.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Paul Mimlitsch Subject: loop/ improv. CD Date: Thu, 10 May 2007 09:26:19 -0600 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAA== X-Brightmail-scanned: yes Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70081 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 10 May 2007 15:26:36 +0000 (UTC) Our CD "Conversations" ("Concept" - Paul Mimlitsch guitar/ looping/=20 Richard Ball saxes/ flutes) is now available on "CDbaby". Info/=20 soundclips: << http://web.mac.com/pmimlitsch/iWeb/Site/CD.html >> Track listing: 1) =93Conversations=94 (19:31) 2) =93Chupacabra=94 (7:41) 3) =93First Light=94 (11:59) 4) =93Patterns of Speech=94 (35:13) =A0 notes: - tracks 1 & 4 recorded in concert @ =93Boulder CoOp=94, Boulder, CO.=20 winter =9206. - tracks =A02 & 3 recorded @ =93Velvet Ash Studios=94, Evergreen, CO. = fall/=20 winter =9206 - =9207. - all tracks recorded live with no overdubs or use of pre recorded=20 material. - Paul << http://web.mac.com/pmimlitsch/ >> << http://cdbaby.com/cd/conceptmusic >> << http://www.sonicbids.com/concept >> From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 10 18:22:33 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7A5A23BEFC; Thu, 10 May 2007 18:22:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=EQTr8y3o566J/9ViHn+BS3HfZnVK+OTEGmUmQ7qH/SZRIat7gkuXcrYKifpLWf9EQ09hrcrTrFyw+P1Rjzc+u8G172pl1+eB16cjiaoNvSaHFY8z32T128M6SG2HctbKK8QyKaIWCz3estYKzxQM3nQ8qAo0/d6vYBgdfLIqlVs=; X-YMail-OSG: 6a0pnEAVM1n_usQ3yagKKJlBeLr5PlX18uQxTUtnf6vrYDThhQAaKhXNvV4r4BYz1BM5oUip3fkZ6NmI0pGwDMHh6.Lf1kQrc2BLgZ0N89.Nnn5Eh1I- X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/651.23 YahooMailWebService/0.7.41.10 Date: Thu, 10 May 2007 11:22:31 -0700 (PDT) From: Guy Joyce Subject: Re: Racks ? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-ID: <992059.8717.qm@web52406.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70082 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 10 May 2007 18:22:33 +0000 (UTC) Hi Stephen=0A=0AI bought my rack, I think it's a Quik-Lok RS-657, from Turn= key on the Charing Cross Road in Central London. Cost about =A345. Very stu= rdy construction etc, no complaints. They sell a whole range. Here's a link= =0A=0Ahttp://www.turnkey.co.uk/web/searchAction.do?dispatch=3DfullSearch&su= bCategory=3DRack_Stands=0A=0AYou can either order online or go to the store= itself.=0A=0AGood luck !=0A=0AGuy=0A[XIS Information]=0A=0A> Hi folks,=0A>= =0A> I know there's something in the archive, there must be, but trying to = =0A> separate 'rack' from 'rack unit' or 'rack kit' is a bit of a pain.=0A>= =0A> So! In the London UK area, where does one find the parts to put toget= her =0A> a rack for fx units etc? I'm sure the English call the technology= something =0A> completely different than what I'd expect, but instead of p= oring through =0A> loads of non-relevant messages I thought I'd ask here.= =0A>=0A> Thanks in advance,=0A>=0A> Stephen Goodman=0A=0A__________________= ________________________________=0ADo You Yahoo!?=0ATired of spam? Yahoo! = Mail has the best spam protection around =0Ahttp://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 10 18:58:06 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0CC6E3BF00; Thu, 10 May 2007 18:58:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <61774.167.83.10.20.1178823476.squirrel@www.michaelplishka.com> In-Reply-To: <992059.8717.qm@web52406.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <992059.8717.qm@web52406.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 10 May 2007 14:57:56 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: Racks ? From: mike@michaelplishka.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.9a MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - server316.tchmachines.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [32166 32167] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - michaelplishka.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70083 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 10 May 2007 18:58:05 +0000 (UTC) I have my edp in a flight case and then I bought a speaker holder and prop it ip on that. It's always slanted up at me so I can see what's on and what's not. It's not that far down that a crouch can't adjust things. Plish > >> Hi folks, >> >> I know there's something in the archive, there must be, but trying to >> separate 'rack' from 'rack unit' or 'rack kit' is a bit of a pain. >> >> So! In the London UK area, where does one find the parts to put >> together >> a rack for fx units etc? I'm sure the English call the technology >> something >> completely different than what I'd expect, but instead of poring through >> loads of non-relevant messages I thought I'd ask here. >> >> Thanks in advance, >> >> Stephen Goodman > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 10 20:04:16 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 48BBC3BF00; Thu, 10 May 2007 20:04:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=QREAB+s4u+Zkf8BWmgVtITqaxsEEd7ZxHRDyhPPUISOXxZerJAS2qaQOldLxpQ+KBnOEbmaeyAXofAQKIjnLB/c/9ZVzhYFAm2+gOvNy14CcoP9HYqPtPvckBXQ/XlTfX51vUYCl5aw3DGkcuLK2wS48ICx2BAglUEk84L2L/3w= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=TbV4+kKrWUvV8XqnFsfWrLJsNU1uvYaAljT9zC7Y7XecM83rV9Z7JMyUBeztuzmlwn80S9wUbFNr93wswlL5y1gjDcMnxhTyeWCn8belFg+61tRyIAmqy0Gi2N0u2v6opFqbNO1K/mSr+y7/nqdn2w9C1svd61yhhKuZiw3A3WU= Message-ID: <9e2a71240705101304u54b00f1j2d2c8dbcafc88238@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 10 May 2007 15:04:10 -0500 From: "Michael Pregeant" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: EDP for sale MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_186427_27993731.1178827450280" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70084 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 10 May 2007 20:04:16 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_186427_27993731.1178827450280 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline perfect condition, comes with power supple ect ect.. i'm switching to a more simple looper that been holding it for a guy for over a month but he hasn't been returning my emails so I think I'm gunna put it back out there thanks -- www.myspace.com/ipwnuh4x www.myspace.com/therealannulus www.myspace.com/michaelpregeant ------=_Part_186427_27993731.1178827450280 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline
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------=_Part_186427_27993731.1178827450280-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 10 20:20:22 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3DFF33BF05; Thu, 10 May 2007 20:20:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com References: <20070509174630.27281.qmail@web26208.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <76A812B3-E9F9-48D7-88B3-2E3C5EE9E760@gmail.com> <4642E982.4060600@addcom.de> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: re. Finally some music I was involved in.... Date: Thu, 10 May 2007 16:20:12 -0400 In-Reply-To: <4642E982.4060600@addcom.de> X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 From: nemoguitt@aol.com X-MB-Message-Type: User Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"; format=flowed X-Mailer: AOL WebMail 25698 Message-Id: <8C96157BFAE8848-13B4-556E@mblk-d11.sysops.aol.com> X-AOL-IP: 205.188.149.3 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70085 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 10 May 2007 20:20:22 +0000 (UTC) stefan.....it looked like it was a wonderfully mixed audience.....very=20 attentive.....loved the bottle!.....i agree with per, abstract music=20 "is what it is".....i like the use of voice and the bowls always give a=20 nice sound......we're you doing a lot of tweaking on the little=20 keyboard that was next to you? some kind of "midi" voodoo?......thnaks=20 for sharing your "improv" day!.....michael http://www.myspace.com/klobuchar10 http://mysite.verizon.net/vzepmeci/ www.ct-collective.com <> =C2=A0 ________________________________________________________________________ AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free=20 from AOL at AOL.com. =3D0 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 10 20:42:32 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 439773BEFF; Thu, 10 May 2007 20:42:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <013101c79343$bd489150$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "RICK WALKER" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: OREGON LOOPS Date: Thu, 10 May 2007 13:42:34 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.7 required=1.0 tests=AWL,SUBJ_ALL_CAPS autolearn=disabled version=3.1.7 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.7 (2006-10-05) on mail.cruzio.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70086 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 10 May 2007 20:42:32 +0000 (UTC) Ted Killian wrote: "I can put on a show in Medford/Ashland, but not much of anyone would come. There is my dilemma." I hear your skepticism, Ted, but I do want to point out that we ALL went to Los Ossos which is, practically speaking in the middle of bum fuck nowhere I mean, at least compare to SF or L.A. so please don't take offense, Hans) I'm not being trite when I say this but believe it is true; "If you build it, they will come" Kevin Costner in 'Field of Dreams' I think you will be surprised at a turnout if you have something near where you live. There are tons of loopers in the Pacific Northwest and there still hasn't been a large looping festival up there (to my knowledge and PLEASE forgive me if I missed something and you are the one who did all the hard , thankless work to produce such a show). I think people would drive some distance to play at such a festival. Many people just can't make the really long drive and the resources it takes financially to play the Y2K Festivals. You might be surprised at how many people would come. I would come, I promise you! Kris, Chris (Samba) and I can certainly help out with advice if you need it. Again, where there is a will, there is a way. I encourage you to go for it. good luck, Rick From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 10 21:05:24 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0A4E03BF06; Thu, 10 May 2007 21:05:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <46438910.2010101@addcom.de> Date: Thu, 10 May 2007 23:05:20 +0200 From: Stefan Tiedje User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.0 (Macintosh/20070326) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: re. Finally some music I was involved in.... References: <20070509174630.27281.qmail@web26208.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <76A812B3-E9F9-48D7-88B3-2E3C5EE9E760@gmail.com> <4642E982.4060600@addcom.de> <8C96157BFAE8848-13B4-556E@mblk-d11.sysops.aol.com> In-Reply-To: <8C96157BFAE8848-13B4-556E@mblk-d11.sysops.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70087 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 10 May 2007 21:05:23 +0000 (UTC) nemoguitt@aol.com schrieb: > we're you doing a lot of tweaking on the little keyboard that > was next to you? some kind of "midi" voodoo?... Not voodoo, just controlling the pitch shifts of my eight delay lines. If you set it right, a single event will create a melody, and if you add feedback to some of them, it can create some more complex textures. Its not much more than that... Stefan -- Stefan Tiedje------------x------- --_____-----------|-------------- --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()------- -- _|_)----|-----()-------------- ----------()--------www.ccmix.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 10 22:17:42 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 923773BF01; Thu, 10 May 2007 22:17:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [4.246.45.20] X-Originating-Email: [sambacomet@hotmail.com] X-Sender: sambacomet@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <20070510182233.02CB23BF04@arsenic.violacea.com> From: "samba -" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: from our London Correspondant Date: Thu, 10 May 2007 15:17:36 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 May 2007 22:17:39.0064 (UTC) FILETIME=[051B0780:01C79351] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70088 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 10 May 2007 22:17:42 +0000 (UTC) Most Brits understand both US and UK terms, but I am not sure what he is getting at. Is this a sort of shelving into which one fits (rack mounts) boxes for audio? e.g. old-fashioned Harmonizers, Phasers, Reverbs, digital processors? Nowadays most people are doing all these functions in software; hence no racks required;-=) _________________________________________________________________ See what you’re getting into…before you go there http://newlivehotmail.com/?ocid=TXT_TAGHM_migration_HM_viral_preview_0507 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 10 22:21:49 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 62D2D3BF06; Thu, 10 May 2007 22:21:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [4.246.45.20] X-Originating-Email: [sambacomet@hotmail.com] X-Sender: sambacomet@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <20070510182233.02CB23BF04@arsenic.violacea.com> From: "samba -" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: More from our London Correspondant Date: Thu, 10 May 2007 15:21:43 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 May 2007 22:21:47.0969 (UTC) FILETIME=[9976EB10:01C79351] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70089 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 10 May 2007 22:21:49 +0000 (UTC) He might have a look at the Turnkey site: http://www.turnkey.co.uk/web/homeAction.do?dispatch=homePage although I find the prices there sometimes high, and many of the staff are snotty. It will give you the UK names and specs. and you can always find better prices elsewhere. e.g. http://www.dolphinmusic.co.uk/page/shop/index http://www.thomann.de/index.html?partner_id=68737 If you go to Denmark Street in London, there are dozens of music stores with a couple of blocks. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denmark_Street Charles Lucy lucy@lucytune.com ----- Promoting global harmony through LucyTuning ----- For information on LucyTuning go to: http://www.lucytune.com LucyTuned Lullabies (from around the world): http://www.lullabies.co.uk Skype user = lucytune http://www.myspace.com/lucytuning _________________________________________________________________ PC Magazine’s 2007 editors’ choice for best Web mail—award-winning Windows Live Hotmail. http://imagine-windowslive.com/hotmail/?locale=en-us&ocid=TXT_TAGHM_migration_HM_mini_pcmag_0507 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 11 00:06:37 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C6E483BF0A; Fri, 11 May 2007 00:06:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=R4guXDGan/zz7sqbkzI+IKFo+NZCqIeUCDa0tqQVRzjikwc/NvdbeCDnbPP2luNHLvPKvZwjLaPErcSlCaeMbniSaD5SumeDsN1zYKdF7EXLJ0EPgcii3KYCVOU/mEgVTZh7Xliefdc7WeEa9wzqRWA4/cFBHAzBSfyp67EDa90=; X-YMail-OSG: wGJkJicVM1lj8YeiZLjyr7YQEiO19yjeQZcT.5yHwWJL5kNTc9TblDkYU5Z6ZchOGQ-- Date: Thu, 10 May 2007 17:06:36 -0700 (PDT) From: bill bigrig Subject: Re: Racks ? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <992059.8717.qm@web52406.mail.re2.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <527216.12636.qm@web32714.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: <1R2ukC.A.2FG.NO7QGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70090 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 11 May 2007 00:06:37 +0000 (UTC) Howdy, i just came across 24 feet of rack rail. 4 6' sections. But I suppose getting itto England would be cost prohibitive. I'm going to make some more racks of my own and get away from the wood screws into the wood rail thing. Just don't know what lengths to saw these 6 foot rails yet. Depends on if I want a BUNCH of little cases or a few big cases. I imagine i'll have leftovers though. Rig --- Guy Joyce wrote: > Hi Stephen > > I bought my rack, I think it's a Quik-Lok RS-657, > from Turnkey on the Charing Cross Road in Central > London. Cost about £45. Very sturdy construction > etc, no complaints. They sell a whole range. Here's > a link > > http://www.turnkey.co.uk/web/searchAction.do?dispatch=fullSearch&subCategory=Rack_Stands > > You can either order online or go to the store > itself. > > Good luck ! > > Guy > [XIS Information] > > > Hi folks, > > > > I know there's something in the archive, there > must be, but trying to > > separate 'rack' from 'rack unit' or 'rack kit' is > a bit of a pain. > > > > So! In the London UK area, where does one find > the parts to put together > > a rack for fx units etc? I'm sure the English > call the technology something > > completely different than what I'd expect, but > instead of poring through > > loads of non-relevant messages I thought I'd ask > here. > > > > Thanks in advance, > > > > Stephen Goodman > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 11 00:21:52 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4B5B63BF0C; Fri, 11 May 2007 00:21:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=S/xn9bPtlZJQvIEWdB8mTqd5IJcuByNc7RpfTT+oyVP7zpxxsBWwY/GSgNB6tESs01qTEZEcrPd6ZMZucwoQaIot4xBNoC6qin0uCdviLku+ey9N1uz3aWk7AqLpNmNWOp7BCNTbL9XXLP4kSXJJfX4kQLxUttR/pNkSWPNyJUk=; X-YMail-OSG: uALhwUAVM1keGjOCsskFn7zRhD79HYahiKe.v6Qg4M_pwINPhFtPf6WnZXhlF2GgcFjmQ.y4jaCTTi0FRiAuMoxkIxMzznKipnvfJgJROzzydl8sfbRV7ar370chHQ-- Date: Thu, 10 May 2007 17:21:50 -0700 (PDT) From: bill bigrig Subject: Re: OregonLoops To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <04ba01c792a6$23de34e0$6b01a8c0@DTT60> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <362538.10074.qm@web32709.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70091 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 11 May 2007 00:21:52 +0000 (UTC) Howdy, Is this an Oregon festival? Or a Northwest festival? If Oregon only, go on ahead. If this is a regional,(OR,WA), the only appropriate place is the Stonehenge replica in the gorge. I could even make it to that one. Not that anyone would enjoy my muzik, but you never know. Rig --- Dave Trenkel wrote: > Hey all, > > Sorry to have been so silent on this subject, I just > got back from a 10 days > of gigs in Montana, Idaho and Washington. I have a > some experience > organizing alternative music festivals, and have a > lot of contacts around > the state from having played music of varying > degrees of experimentalism > around Oregon for more than 2 decades. My only > hesitation about getting > involved in such a festival is that we are just > starting our major > touring/gigging season and I will be on the road for > much of the spring and > summer, and don't practically see a way to be the > point person for a Looping > festival unless it was to happen in Oct./Nov. 2007 > or later. I know how much > work Rick must put into the y2k festivals, and > there's just no way I could > do that right now. I would however do whatever I > could to help such a person > with contacts, ideas, brainstorming, experiences, > whatever, because I'd love > to see suvh a festival happen. > > I live in Corvallis, and am pretty active in the > Eugene scene, there are a > few venues in Eugene that may be appropriate for > this type of show. There > might be some in Portland as well. It might be a > good idea to organize a > private mailing list to brainstorm on the scope and > scale of what we'd like > this festival to be, and then start investigating > when and where it should > happen. > > BTW, speaking of Ashland, there's a fairly hip club > there called Mobius, > seems like the perfect place for a loopfest, eh? > Seriously, we haven't > played there yet, but will probably some time in the > next few months, but > they have a rep for doing interesting > electronica/live band stuff. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "samba -" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2007 1:24 PM > Subject: OregonLoops > > > > > > Ted you've already listed more people than > produce the Santa Cruz event. > > Rick actually does most all of the organization > and preproduction > > himself. I know Bill does some too-I know he > procured that lovely Bose > > system last year. Same for Krispen in Boise ,I > believe. I can possibly > > get another friend who produces small concerts in > Eugene ,and is just > > getting into looping himself- (he did something > related w 2 echoplexes > > and the Suntar a double necked solid body > dulcimer,one neck fretless,made > > by one of the original Alembic guys)in the mid > 70s ) He also has lot's of > > experience,with all sizes of events ,and has > venues sound Promo hooked > > up.The right venue is the challenge,as I see it. > Somewhere outside,not in > > a town would be wonderful. It is possible to use > public lands for events > > sometimes but that means bringing in everything > incuding power.Would have > > to be summer. Portland or Eugene make the most > sense.Portland probably > > better draw, pulls from whole Willamette > valley,closer to Seattle .You're > > in Medford/Ashland area? far for you . Could also > do a series of concerts > > instead of a one off event ,say one each in > Ashland,Eugene,Bend Ptld? > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Like the way Microsoft Office Outlook works? > You'll love Windows Live > > Hotmail. > > > http://imagine-windowslive.com/hotmail/?locale=en-us&ocid=TXT_TAGHM_migration_HM_mini_outlook_0507 > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 11 01:03:48 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B71FF3BF0C; Fri, 11 May 2007 01:03:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=2O2UPsJ1TKTZF7w9KmvSxAEAeUOLpraYaGjPJ2qwOU++cFDvmh9zkXYvEZoETK9ysqKNSRehmhzU3xc9bqXKeoHiqKF3RtqJG69TstqzPmkuoZlaWsM7eVf414RhDkySBJprig64Ckitcli6rPyZrSf0po9zysPUwTTBNBd2NLo=; X-YMail-OSG: KiLFcNEVM1kstZ522.yzxKd7P8naX_YP6RuLZCxXlDWzZIpCAt0QAIfDkkRgpm3p_2.tdkL52tjzDf0IXZz4EsvA_QjHaqcKrljI Date: Thu, 10 May 2007 18:03:46 -0700 (PDT) From: bill bigrig Subject: RE: Boise Experimental Music Festival Streaming Live To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <200705072217281.SM03704@quahome> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <301524.93370.qm@web32701.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70092 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 11 May 2007 01:03:48 +0000 (UTC) Howdy, Any chance of having it in the Spruce Goose? rig --- Qua Veda wrote: > Maybe we could have in during UFO Days in > McMinnville - the heart of Oregon > wine country ;-) > http://www.mcmenamins.com/ufofest07/ > > -Qua > > -----Original Message----- > From: Krispen Hartung [mailto:khartung@cableone.net] > > Sent: Monday, May 07, 2007 7:06 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: Boise Experimental Music Festival > Streaming Live > > There is some sort of center right next to the Stone > Hendge replica along > the Columbia. That would be cool...a bit off the > beaten path to nowhere, but > cool. > > K- > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "bill bigrig" > To: > Sent: Monday, May 07, 2007 6:29 PM > Subject: Re: Boise Experimental Music Festival > Streaming Live > > > > Howdy, > > > > Somewhere halfway up the gorge would be awesome. > > rig > > > > > > --- Krispen Hartung wrote: > > > >> Portland area wine country comes to mind... > >> > >> Kris > >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "Dave Trenkel" > >> To: > >> Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 1:53 PM > >> Subject: Re: Boise Experimental Music Festival > >> Streaming Live > >> > >> > >> > I'd be down to participate and/or help organize > >> something like this... > >> > > >> >> Nice meetin' ya there Qua. > >> >> > >> >> I guess there's enought of us Oregonians now > that > >> we should perhaps think > >> >> of an Oregon Looping Festival. > >> >> > >> >> Maybe we could hold it at the Oregon Vortex or > >> sumthin" . . . > >> >> > >> >> Stay in touch. > >> >> > >> >> Best regards, > >> >> > >> >> Ted Killian > >> >> > >> >> On Apr 29, 2007, at 2:48 PM, Qua Veda wrote: > >> >> > >> >>> I attended the Festival - all but Thurs eve. > >> Congratulations and > >> >>> thanks to > >> >>> Kris for hosting and organizing it! And > thanks > >> to all the artists. A > >> >>> great show ! > >> >>> > >> >>> -Qua > >> >>> > >> >> > >> >> > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________ > ________ > > Don't get soaked. Take a quick peak at the > forecast > > with the Yahoo! Search weather shortcut. > > > http://tools.search.yahoo.com/shortcuts/#loc_weather > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 11 02:01:15 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4B04F3BF0F; Fri, 11 May 2007 02:01:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <200705110201.l4B21C5T060454@mail.cruzio.com> Reply-To: From: "William Walker" To: Subject: re: oregon loop fest Date: Thu, 10 May 2007 19:01:15 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0003_01C79335.95A7F270" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Thread-Index: AceTcEG6nc+cfYQiRLCXOCrsrZvM4g== X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.1 required=1.0 tests=AWL,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=disabled version=3.1.7 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.7 (2006-10-05) on mail.cruzio.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70093 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 11 May 2007 02:01:15 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0003_01C79335.95A7F270 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Just to be clear, I have been involved with the SC loopfests primarily while the event was taking place, helping with the PA set up and sound duties mostly, and also providing shuttle service for some artists, and gear support as well. Rick does all of the booking, planning, promoting, pre show work, as well of some of the duties I described myself doing, and also MC's the event. My task is very small in comparison. Thanks Bill ------=_NextPart_000_0003_01C79335.95A7F270 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Just to be clear,  I have been involved with the = SC loopfests primarily while the event was taking place, helping with the = PA set up and sound duties mostly, and also providing shuttle service for some artists, and gear support as well.  Rick does all of the booking, = planning, promoting, pre show work, as well of some of the duties I described = myself doing, and also MC’s the event. My task is very small in = comparison.

 Thanks

Bill

------=_NextPart_000_0003_01C79335.95A7F270-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 11 03:08:20 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 81E963BF0D; Fri, 11 May 2007 03:08:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-YMail-OSG: 3ELrzAoVM1nB56BEwkF5aNPebVKALCMinTf6rgXKhIXTA.SqJWTIJ76RPr0UEQYO6KjOgDl1VkAAVq0W1gxQ0Pf1rcmiGrB_UDJ6HHgBnFpirPGiaNk- Message-ID: <003101c79379$8f771360$4101a8c0@MICHAELPLISHKA> From: "Michael Plishka" To: References: Subject: OT New semi-looped tune up Date: Thu, 10 May 2007 22:07:49 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70094 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 11 May 2007 03:08:20 +0000 (UTC) New semi-looped tune called "All the things I don't say..." up on myspace. Background is looped, rest is me... and guitar and effects... www.myspace.com/michaelplishka ~peace~ Plish From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 11 03:51:16 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1F2E43BF0B; Fri, 11 May 2007 03:51:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [63.93.82.59] From: max valentino To: Subject: RE: OREGON LOOPS Date: Fri, 11 May 2007 03:51:14 +0000 Importance: Normal Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 May 2007 03:51:14.0506 (UTC) FILETIME=[9F3D1AA0:01C7937F] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70095 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 11 May 2007 03:51:15 +0000 (UTC) Hey Ted... If you put on a Looping show in yer neck o' the woods (and this is certainl= y a nudge towards getting you to do so) I will come and perform. Yes, that= is a bit of a haul from down here, but you give the word and I will certai= nly clear my dates and make the trip. Of course, if I were to make the trip to Southern Or. thenI might as well j= ust keep on driving 'til I get to Boise (Kris, got room for one more vagabo= nd loopist?) Max ---------------------------------------- > Ted Killian wrote: >=20 > "I can put on a show in Medford/Ashland, but not much of anyone would com= e. > There is my dilemma." >=20 >=20 _________________________________________________________________ Download Messenger. Start an i=92m conversation. Support a cause. Join now. http://im.live.com/messenger/im/home/?source=3DTAGWL_MAY07= From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 11 08:42:59 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A61323BF0F; Fri, 11 May 2007 08:42:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=RvoGesHp4WY3k4K61+HehQNy8v2KnWyhUjJlbJGuvKMd1v/IfHiZxs4he6lriEDd5YUeP+Gzfe78q+ET2DqzM+Dl5b2qFvosZrw8jAk8UYSfbS/Tdxwh0pnDnHRiMP0cAcmYvTzklLwmOLbnRMO690Iu4NKRY8vJVADjmeKY9jI=; X-YMail-OSG: 8fyb6o8VM1l6lRx7WceeOh3BMCojdOTDOm3FgNnGnJMKwvBwTqfN2tb3hiM5u9RE_dy_s_7wXE9hzoV7VGM1NEm4ykPK_A6AR3UCbvpmwKLlEEMUFNYxYAmMLJYc6w-- Date: Fri, 11 May 2007 01:42:58 -0700 (PDT) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: ipods for field recordings To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <516017.67170.qm@web38612.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70096 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 11 May 2007 08:42:59 +0000 (UTC) Hi gang, on my quest ofr a compact field recorder i have one more question,how good is the quality of these new i pods with plugin mics for field recordings? cheers Luis --- Travis Hartnett wrote: > From "Advanced", select "Subscribe to podcast" and > paste in the url. > > On 4/5/07, Krispen Hartung > wrote: > > > > > > For the life of me, I can't figure out how to open > this in iTunes. Where do you past the URL? I even > tried saving the file, but it won't import it. > > > > Kris > > > > > > > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a PS3 game guru. Get your game face on with the latest PS3 news and previews at Yahoo! Games. http://videogames.yahoo.com/platform?platform=120121 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 11 09:07:32 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 188733BF0D; Fri, 11 May 2007 09:07:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=uO4UN1Hv8t4R4/zvXnQ+KZmP/sKHnkH5FVQh2wEIvad8ojZ8f1Caa7qoCgi+qKNgZb+1E/lpPV+RNBoi6ImOpm0VU2sXA2je1dq22YjN9TdMRMz7MPg6oGMt1c/vh3n7oWoWiNBLXf1Vek1/w7kZX4ZAYwGVW+Ruu50V3DSGFvQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=AnkjvQ5cAvnyKLBaRZAZQjY+5GqcuHQAkrS/DM2onk10fC626DZ5GbPZob7JbuxS1mygSXPwUQJLD7CXdnANA3L7xPqw7KSJzVhztWox3I9eH3FTYKVC1fBoJAS3mxrPcUynTw8vaQI3U5fx2FtMv2LSyuaWYRPSyvElnjJG1Ck= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <516017.67170.qm@web38612.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <516017.67170.qm@web38612.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: ipods for field recordings Date: Fri, 11 May 2007 11:07:26 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70097 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 11 May 2007 09:07:32 +0000 (UTC) On 11 maj 2007, at 10.42, L.A. Angulo wrote: > on my quest ofr a compact field recorder i have one > more question,how good is the quality of these new i > pods with plugin mics for field recordings? As good as the mics you plug into it. And also as good as the mic pre amps sound. The worst component in the chain is setting the fidelity of the resulting recording. But it's hard to tell when not knowing which specific unit we're talking about. Over here I'm using a Zoom H4 and my recordings with the built in stereo mic sound so good that I don't think it will get any better by using other mics. But I have other mics, two CM2 condenser mics including a dual mic amp. I haven't done any A/B testing but as I remember them they do not sound any better compared to the H4 built-in mics. I used to record with them and a DAT back in the pre H4 days. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) http://tinyurl.com/2kek7h (CC donationware music releases) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 11 10:41:09 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E8CE33BF17; Fri, 11 May 2007 10:41:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-OB-Received: from unknown (205.158.62.131) by wfilter.us4.outblaze.com; 11 May 2007 10:41:05 -0000 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "Rad Ray" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Fri, 11 May 2007 05:41:05 -0500 Subject: RE: Oregon Loops X-Originating-Ip: 216.104.69.79 X-Originating-Server: ws5-1.us4.outblaze.com Message-Id: <20070511104105.9CD7344017@ws5-1.us4.outblaze.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70098 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 11 May 2007 10:41:08 +0000 (UTC) I am from Medford and am fully down with a festival. If it happens I would= love to have a lot of players perform on a loooooong tape loop. I can't f= ind the website that shows a performance of this done before but I will exp= lain for any who haven't seen it. Basically everyone has there own reel to= reel where they add their sounds and one piece of tape runs through all th= e machines making a huge collaborative tape loop. I have at least three ma= chines I could pitch in running at 7 1/2 ips (possibly 4). By the way Ted = since your from my neck of the woods, I'm part of a crew that put together = a show called "After 10" last year. It was some local entertainment/video = games/music what not stuff but the part I did was record the music acts we = had perform two songs per episode. Well this year we are changing the name= so now it's just in our hands and not a television station's but anyway I = get to choose the 13 acts this year so if your interested in having a perfo= rmance broadcast in Southern Oregon let me know. We will be taping the mus= ic at Musichead this year. If anybody else is interested let me know.=20= =20=20 --=20 You Rock! Your E-Mail Should Too! Signup Now at Rock.com and get 250MB of S= torage! http://webmail.rock.com/signup/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 11 14:01:32 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6A9EF3BF12; Fri, 11 May 2007 14:01:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Qua Veda" To: Subject: RE: OregonLoops Date: Fri, 11 May 2007 07:01:33 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 In-Reply-To: <301524.93370.qm@web32701.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Thread-Index: AceTaOWGWtSvHSwrS0mCaibpIEwZpAAa6mNQ Message-Id: <200705110706484.SM05696@quahome> X-RBL-Warning: REVDNS: This E-mail was sent from a MUA/MTA 206.212.233.27 with no reverse DNS entry. X-Declude-Sender: qua@oregon.com [206.212.233.27] X-Declude-Spoolname: D784e03a20000125e.smd X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude JunkMail (www.declude.com) for spam. Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70099 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 11 May 2007 14:01:32 +0000 (UTC) I could inquire - you never know. For those unfamiliar, the Spruce Goose is a giant airplane made entirely of plywood that was designed/built by the infamous Howard Hughes. It now rests in a very cool aviation museaum in McMinnville,OR, and they also just opened an IMAX theater there. -Qua -----Original Message----- From: bill bigrig [mailto:billbigrig@yahoo.com] Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2007 6:04 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Boise Experimental Music Festival Streaming Live Howdy, Any chance of having it in the Spruce Goose? rig --- Qua Veda wrote: > Maybe we could have in during UFO Days in McMinnville - the heart of > Oregon wine country ;-) http://www.mcmenamins.com/ufofest07/ > > -Qua > > -----Original Message----- > From: Krispen Hartung [mailto:khartung@cableone.net] > > Sent: Monday, May 07, 2007 7:06 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: Boise Experimental Music Festival Streaming Live > > There is some sort of center right next to the Stone Hendge replica > along the Columbia. That would be cool...a bit off the beaten path to > nowhere, but cool. > > K- > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "bill bigrig" > To: > Sent: Monday, May 07, 2007 6:29 PM > Subject: Re: Boise Experimental Music Festival Streaming Live > > > > Howdy, > > > > Somewhere halfway up the gorge would be awesome. > > rig > > > > > > --- Krispen Hartung wrote: > > > >> Portland area wine country comes to mind... > >> > >> Kris > >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "Dave Trenkel" > >> To: > >> Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 1:53 PM > >> Subject: Re: Boise Experimental Music Festival Streaming Live > >> > >> > >> > I'd be down to participate and/or help organize > >> something like this... > >> > > >> >> Nice meetin' ya there Qua. > >> >> > >> >> I guess there's enought of us Oregonians now > that > >> we should perhaps think > >> >> of an Oregon Looping Festival. > >> >> > >> >> Maybe we could hold it at the Oregon Vortex or > >> sumthin" . . . > >> >> > >> >> Stay in touch. > >> >> > >> >> Best regards, > >> >> > >> >> Ted Killian > >> >> > >> >> On Apr 29, 2007, at 2:48 PM, Qua Veda wrote: > >> >> > >> >>> I attended the Festival - all but Thurs eve. > >> Congratulations and > >> >>> thanks to > >> >>> Kris for hosting and organizing it! And > thanks > >> to all the artists. A > >> >>> great show ! > >> >>> > >> >>> -Qua > >> >>> > >> >> > >> >> > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________ > ________ > > Don't get soaked. Take a quick peak at the > forecast > > with the Yahoo! Search weather shortcut. > > > http://tools.search.yahoo.com/shortcuts/#loc_weather > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 11 14:29:37 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AA88A3BF02; Fri, 11 May 2007 14:29:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=Zi3F8SQFIYGIKp2WFR+zbJh89TcGcSx4rz+K4Wm5loIp2vLGtmicMM/UsBpalxeCbSIWhrlJQ7Tx+Z6VjtstvDR1VOKNGP9rE1JZHzn6KDn2opEDhXzAxMdLyoRz6bN5BAG2TRQAP5u1zUrjFePGI9HMH1wjUiV1jdAk+xewBkg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=IbVlMCWgcydsGtdKVipx1DKilq2G1815k77n7EQl+RjMCMM3woecg3UEBHW/pdsB3YXRxBj/3uvb7YaAorLIzmq0bXBrl/CBk0WwPLL7C6xHxPhDlrQeD32hZJk3xA8UAh6S5NTje9R3lcDW5TSlPiXH5ESuvmz3PuynIwRbnc4= Message-ID: <588ce11d0705110729o306979a2g8afce63162cc1e6b@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 11 May 2007 07:29:35 -0700 From: "Art Simon" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: ipods for field recordings In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <516017.67170.qm@web38612.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70100 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 11 May 2007 14:29:37 +0000 (UTC) I'm very pleased with the $30 miniature electret stereo t mic I got from "chris_in_wood_green" on ebay. http://cgi.ebay.com/STEREO-MINIDISC-LAPTOP-ELECTRET-MICROPHONE-MIC_W0QQitemZ250111991241QQihZ015QQcategoryZ15056QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem It works great with my iRiver ifp-895 for collecting ambient and nature sounds. It uses the same Panasonic mic elements used in many other mics. I haven't used it for live music, but I'd assume it would do fine at reasonable volume levels. The rubber mounting would probably dampen the vibration of an iPod's hard drive, though I use it with a flash based recorder so it's just a guess. On 5/11/07, Per Boysen wrote: > On 11 maj 2007, at 10.42, L.A. Angulo wrote: > > > on my quest ofr a compact field recorder i have one > > more question,how good is the quality of these new i > > pods with plugin mics for field recordings? > > > As good as the mics you plug into it. And also as good as the mic pre > amps sound. The worst component in the chain is setting the fidelity > of the resulting recording. But it's hard to tell when not knowing > which specific unit we're talking about. Over here I'm using a Zoom > H4 and my recordings with the built in stereo mic sound so good that > I don't think it will get any better by using other mics. But I have > other mics, two CM2 condenser mics including a dual mic amp. I > haven't done any A/B testing but as I remember them they do not sound > any better compared to the H4 built-in mics. I used to record with > them and a DAT back in the pre H4 days. > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > www.looproom.com (international) > http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) > http://tinyurl.com/2kek7h (CC donationware music releases) > > > -- Art Simon simart@null.net http://art.simon.tripod.com http://www.myspace.com/artsimon From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 11 14:45:53 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BC0153BF1D; Fri, 11 May 2007 14:45:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?tEd_=AE_kiLLiAn?= Subject: Re: OREGON LOOPS Date: Fri, 11 May 2007 08:46:31 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) X-Chzlrs: 0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70101 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 11 May 2007 14:45:53 +0000 (UTC) Max, If I ever do, I'll let you know. You're one of my very favorite musicians, I always love to hear you play. I would truly dig an opportunity to play together sometime too, I might add. Best regards, Ted Killian On May 10, 2007, at 8:51 PM, max valentino wrote: > Hey Ted... > If you put on a Looping show in yer neck o' the woods (and this is > certainly a nudge towards getting you to do so) I will come and > perform. Yes, that is a bit of a haul from down here, but you give > the word and I will certainly clear my dates and make the trip. > > Of course, if I were to make the trip to Southern Or. thenI might as > well just keep on driving 'til I get to Boise (Kris, got room for one > more vagabond loopist?) > > Max From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 11 14:51:18 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7197C3BF1B; Fri, 11 May 2007 14:51:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: <588ce11d0705110729o306979a2g8afce63162cc1e6b@mail.gmail.com> References: <516017.67170.qm@web38612.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <588ce11d0705110729o306979a2g8afce63162cc1e6b@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-7-871891764 Message-Id: <457F5ECF-AD1C-4A85-BDF4-704412E8A430@fuse.net> From: monk Subject: Re: ipods for field recordings Date: Fri, 11 May 2007 10:51:10 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) Resent-Message-ID: <3ABwCB.A.-1C.mLIRGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70102 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 11 May 2007 14:51:18 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-7-871891764 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed on the topic of field recordings.. i just stumbled on my old sony tcd- cd7 dat player, which was kind of industry standard for a while. i have no use for it, so if anyone wants to make me an offer, please do so off-list. monk@fuse.net ric hordinski www.richordinski.com www.myspace.com/richordinskimusic www.myspace.com/monasterystudio --Apple-Mail-7-871891764 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII on the topic of field = recordings.. i just stumbled on my old sony tcd-cd7 dat player, which = was kind of industry standard for a while. i have no use for it, so if = anyone wants to make me an offer, please do so off-list.




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= --Apple-Mail-7-871891764-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 11 14:52:34 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B89743BF26; Fri, 11 May 2007 14:52:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4644831B.9070402@mhorse.com> Date: Fri, 11 May 2007 09:52:11 -0500 From: Daryl Shawn User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.10 (Windows/20070221) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Oregon Loops References: <20070511104105.9CD7344017@ws5-1.us4.outblaze.com> In-Reply-To: <20070511104105.9CD7344017@ws5-1.us4.outblaze.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70103 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 11 May 2007 14:52:34 +0000 (UTC) Here are some great pictures and commentary from one event where this has taken place: http://home.swipnet.se/sonoloco27/fylkingenevents/loop.html I can't tell you how much I looooove this idea. Daryl Shawn www.swanwelder.com www.chinapaintingmusic.com > I am from Medford and am fully down with a festival. If it happens I would love to have a lot of players perform on a loooooong tape loop. I can't find the website that shows a performance of this done before but I will explain for any who haven't seen it. Basically everyone has there own reel to reel where they add their sounds and one piece of tape runs through all the machines making a huge collaborative tape loop. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 11 14:59:07 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2536C3BF30; Fri, 11 May 2007 14:59:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AgAAAJIhREbUSnINk2dsb2JhbACPfAEBAQEHBggMH583 Message-ID: <464484B8.7040601@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Fri, 11 May 2007 15:59:04 +0100 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: ipods for field recordings References: <516017.67170.qm@web38612.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <588ce11d0705110729o306979a2g8afce63162cc1e6b@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <588ce11d0705110729o306979a2g8afce63162cc1e6b@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70104 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 11 May 2007 14:59:07 +0000 (UTC) Art Simon wrote: > I'm very pleased with the $30 miniature electret stereo t mic I got > from "chris_in_wood_green" on ebay. > http://cgi.ebay.com/STEREO-MINIDISC-LAPTOP-ELECTRET-MICROPHONE-MIC_W0QQitemZ250111991241QQihZ015QQcategoryZ15056QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem > 3 Comments 1) the 180 degree mic setup will give you stereo with a hole in the middle. 2) I can confirm it's possible to get very good results with those little electret capsules, wonder if they select for stereo pairs. 3) I already have something similar, or I'd just buy it right away. andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 11 15:29:11 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 67B1E3BF12; Fri, 11 May 2007 15:29:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <064601c793e1$1d45d930$2cb0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: New CD Release: Mandolin from Mars Date: Fri, 11 May 2007 09:29:04 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/related; type="multipart/alternative"; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0642_01C793AE.D162E3A0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70105 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 11 May 2007 15:29:11 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0642_01C793AE.D162E3A0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_0643_01C793AE.D162E3A0" ------=_NextPart_001_0643_01C793AE.D162E3A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello all, I'd like to introduce my newest CD release, "Mandolin from Mars". You = can read more below, download sample sound clips, and view CD artwork on = the web. Mandolin from Mars is colorful and complex exploration of the 6-string = mandolin and laptop computer. This work weaves a fantastic story of the = "red planet," babbling mountains, and menacing telepathic messages from = the ancient chimera of HP Lovecraft's Cthulhu Mythos.=20 Krispen Hartung - 6 string mandolin, vocals, guitar, laptop computer, = real-time looping Website: http://www.krispenhartung.com/mandolin-from-mars/index.htm BUY: http://kunaki.com/Sales.asp?PID=3DPX00DQY6HH Credits a.. CD cover artwork by Mike Oglesbee (shaboodude@hotmail.com)=20 b.. CD production by Kunaki (www.kunaki.com)=20 c.. CD outside tray photos by Tarey P. of Thee Art Of = (www.theeartof.com)=20 d.. "Reanimation" was recorded live at the 2nd Annual Boise = Experimental Music Festival, with Vincent Miresse on percussion Sample Sound Clips Unintelligible Archetypal Babble from the Face - = http://www.box.net/shared/static/7qjdb75zzg.mp3 Astrophonic Dreams in the Tube - = http://www.box.net/shared/static/ok3vj504kx.mp3 Probe Out - http://www.box.net/shared/static/nbststyf8e.mp3 Trenches - http://www.box.net/shared/static/5maacjopzr.mp3 Thirst for Ancient Shores - = http://www.box.net/shared/static/1qrsmqcda6.mp3 Reanimation - http://www.box.net/shared/static/a71glfsqvn.mp3 Cthulhu On Mars - http://www.box.net/shared/static/s5c9v2ruz8.mp3 CD Themes=20 Anyone who has managed to follow my discography, while taking note of = the themes I have emphasized as inspiration for my music, will also = observe that I am almost always fixated upon the ideas of space, science = fiction, and horror (especially the Lovecraftian sort). I'm afraid this = CD is no different. These themes continue to occupy my thoughts and = heart with the same fascination and intrigue that I experienced as a = child. As with most of my works assembled on compact disc, I tend to freely = improvise the music, let the music do the talking, and then title the = songs and tell the story accordingly. Mandolin from Mars has two stories = to tell. The first story is regarding this so-called "mandolin from mars." I = decided to play an instrument relatively new to me, namely, the 6-string = mandolin. The instrument has six single strings (not doubled like the = traditional four-string mandolin), and it is tuned like a guitar. It was = therefore not difficult for me, as a guitarist of 25 years, to grasp the = fundamentals of the instrument and play it in a convincing manner almost = immediately. However, the small fret spacing on the mandolin proved = challenging and forced me to take the songs on the CD in a different = direction than from the idiosyncrasies I normally exhibit on the guitar. = Consequently, I titled the CD "Mandolin from Mars" because the = instrument was alien to me (i.e., metaphorically from Mars), which = compelled me to generate a musical feel that would seem alien to = listeners relative to what they normally expect from the mandolin.=20 Playing the mandolin on this CD was therefore an experiment. I did not = practice the instrument before recording, but rather I immersed myself = directly in the instrument to express myself as best as I could without = being colored by familiarity with its musical character. The second story is the usual one. The titles and order of the pieces on = this CD frame a series of images and concepts. Here is the "CliffsNotes" = version: The so-called face of Mars sends a radio message to Earth, = which the title depicts as "Unintelligible Archetypal Babble from the = Face." This concept is accentuated by the fact that it is the only song = on the CD that was recorded with only my voice, processed with the = laptop computer. After the babble from the face, Earth sends out a = manned probe to investigate. (Remind you of "2001: A Space Odyssey" and = "2010: The Year We Make Contact"? It should.) During the space trek to = the red plant, and while in their life support cold-sleep units, the = astronauts are haunted and possessed by telepathic and menacing messages = from an alien being on Mars. (The being is Cthulhu, and this is = basically consistent with the Cthulhu Mythos for anyone into that story = by HP Lovecraft.) Think of this when you hear the song "Astrophonic = Dreams in the Tube," but take note that some of the sound effects you = hear are a processed recording of an MRI machine. (I was inspired to do = this after receiving an MRI and experiencing back surgery.) I actually = enjoyed the MRI, which inspired me to produce more CDs like this! ...back to the story. Shortly before the manned space probe lands on = Mars, Earth loses contact ("Probe Out"), after which the astronauts are = driven (again by telepathic commands from Cthulhu) to cultivate some of = the "trenches" on Mars, fill them with water ("Thirst for Ancient = Shores"), and then reanimate Cthulhu, the ancient Lovecraftian beast. = After this activity, Cthulhu rises to the planet's surface to...well, = who knows? That is for the imagination of Lovecraft fans, but one might = suspect that the creature remains on Mars to build a new alien kingdom. = Either that or he makes his way back to earth to torment us. Cheers, Kris *************************************************************************= * Krispen Hartung=20 www.krispenhartung.com / www.myspace.com/krispenhartung Performance Calendar: = http://www.musi-cal.com/search?performers=3DKrispen%20Hartung info@krispenhartung.com / 1.208.724.5603=20 Discography - http://www.krispenhartung.com/catalogue.htm CD Baby Discography: http://cdbaby.com/all/khartung ------=_NextPart_001_0643_01C793AE.D162E3A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hello all,
 
I'd like to introduce my newest CD = release,=20 "Mandolin from Mars".  You can read more below, = download=20 sample sound clips, and view CD artwork on the web.

<= /I>

Mandolin from = Mars is=20 colorful and complex exploration of the 6-string mandolin and laptop = computer.=20 This work weaves a fantastic story of the "red planet," babbling = mountains, and=20 menacing telepathic messages from the ancient chimera of HP Lovecraft's=20 Cthulhu Mythos.

Krispen Hartung = - 6 string=20 mandolin, vocals, guitar, laptop computer, real-time=20 looping

Website: http:= //www.krispenhartung.com/mandolin-from-mars/index.htm
BUY:= =20 http://kunaki.com/S= ales.asp?PID=3DPX00DQY6HH

Credits

  • CD cover = artwork by=20 Mike Oglesbee (shaboodude@hotmail.com)
  • CD production by Kunaki (www.kunaki.com)
  • CD outside tray photos by Tarey P. of Thee Art = Of=20 (www.theeartof.com)
  • "Reanimation" was recorded live at the = 2nd Annual Boise Experimental Music = Festival, with Vincent Miresse on percussion

Sample Sound=20 Clips

Unintelligible Archetypal Babble from the Face - = http://www.box.n= et/shared/static/7qjdb75zzg.mp3
Astrophonic Dreams in the Tube - http://www.box.n= et/shared/static/ok3vj504kx.mp3
Probe=20 Out - http://www.box.n= et/shared/static/nbststyf8e.mp3
Trenches=20 - http://www.box.n= et/shared/static/5maacjopzr.mp3
Thirst=20 for Ancient Shores - http://www.box.n= et/shared/static/1qrsmqcda6.mp3
Reanimation=20 - http://www.box.n= et/shared/static/a71glfsqvn.mp3
Cthulhu=20 On Mars - http://www.box.n= et/shared/static/s5c9v2ruz8.mp3

CD Themes =

Anyone who has=20 managed to follow my discography, while taking note of the themes I have = emphasized as inspiration for my music, will also observe that I am = almost=20 always fixated upon the ideas of space, science fiction, and horror = (especially=20 the Lovecraftian sort). I=92m afraid this CD is no different. These = themes=20 continue to occupy my thoughts and heart with the same fascination and = intrigue=20 that I experienced as a child.

As with most of my works assembled on compact = disc, I tend=20 to freely improvise the music, let the music do the talking, and then = title the=20 songs and tell the story accordingly. Mandolin from Mars has two stories = to=20 tell.

The first story is regarding this so-called = "mandolin from=20 mars." I decided to play an instrument relatively new to me, namely, the = 6-string mandolin. The instrument has six single strings (not doubled = like the=20 traditional four-string mandolin), and it is tuned like a guitar. It was = therefore not difficult for me, as a guitarist of 25 years, to grasp the = fundamentals of the instrument and play it in a convincing manner almost = immediately. However, the small fret spacing on the mandolin proved = challenging=20 and forced me to take the songs on the CD in a different direction than = from the=20 idiosyncrasies I normally exhibit on the guitar. Consequently, I titled = the CD=20 "Mandolin from Mars" because the instrument was alien to me (i.e.,=20 metaphorically from Mars), which compelled me to generate a musical feel = that=20 would seem alien to listeners relative to what they normally expect from = the=20 mandolin.

Playing the mandolin on this CD was therefore an = experiment.=20 I did not practice the instrument before recording, but rather I = immersed myself=20 directly in the instrument to express myself as best as I could without = being=20 colored by familiarity with its musical character.

The second story is the usual one. The titles and = order of=20 the pieces on this CD frame a series of images and concepts. Here is the = =93CliffsNotes=94 version: The so-called face of Mars sends a radio = message to=20 Earth, which the title depicts as =93Unintelligible Archetypal Babble = from the=20 Face.=94 This concept is accentuated by the fact that it is the only = song on the=20 CD that was recorded with only my voice, processed with the laptop = computer.=20 After the babble from the face, Earth sends out a manned probe to = investigate.=20 (Remind you of "2001: A Space Odyssey" and "2010: The Year We Make = Contact"? It=20 should.) During the space trek to the red plant, and while in their life = support=20 cold-sleep units, the astronauts are haunted and possessed by telepathic = and=20 menacing messages from an alien being on Mars. (The being is Cthulhu, = and this=20 is basically consistent with the Cthulhu Mythos for anyone into that = story by HP=20 Lovecraft.) Think of this when you hear the song =93Astrophonic Dreams = in the=20 Tube,=94 but take note that some of the sound effects you hear are a = processed=20 recording of an MRI machine. (I was inspired to do this after receiving = an MRI=20 and experiencing back surgery.) I actually enjoyed the MRI, which = inspired me to=20 produce more CDs like this!

...back to the story. Shortly before the manned = space probe=20 lands on Mars, Earth loses contact (=93Probe Out=94), after which the = astronauts are=20 driven (again by telepathic commands from Cthulhu) to cultivate some of = the=20 "trenches" on Mars, fill them with water (=93Thirst for Ancient = Shores=94), and then=20 reanimate Cthulhu, the ancient Lovecraftian beast. After this activity, = Cthulhu=20 rises to the planet=92s surface to...well, who knows? That is for the = imagination=20 of Lovecraft fans, but one might suspect that the creature remains on = Mars to=20 build a new alien kingdom. Either that or he makes his way back to earth = to=20 torment us=85

Cheers,

Kris

 
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text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 May 2007 16:42:33.0950 (UTC) FILETIME=[5FEFD7E0:01C793EB] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70106 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 11 May 2007 16:42:35 +0000 (UTC) Ted....consider it done then. Thanks so very much for the compliment, and = while not trying to start any kind of mutual admiration thread, I have been= awed and amazed (and...in keeping with the highest compliments an artist c= an pay another...) inspired by both your CD (which gets a lot of play aroun= d here, and oddly has a calming effect on my almost two-year old son!) and = your live playing (and let's stop the self-effacing modesty, Ted....you are= a monster!). Your sets at the LoopFests I have attended have been filled = with a deep passion, beauty and power. It would be my deepest honor to som= eday do a set with you..... Max ---------------------------------------- > From: tedkillian@charter.net > Subject: Re: OREGON LOOPS > Date: Fri, 11 May 2007 08:46:31 -0700 > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >=20 > Max, >=20 > If I ever do, I'll let you know. >=20 > You're one of my very favorite musicians, I always love to hear you=20 > play. >=20 > I would truly dig an opportunity to play together sometime too, I might=20 > add. >=20 > Best regards, >=20 > Ted Killian >=20 _________________________________________________________________ Change is good. See what=92s different about Windows Live Hotmail. www.windowslive-hotmail.com/learnmore/default.html?locale=3Den-us&ocid=3DTX= T_TAGLM_HMWL_reten_changegood_0507= From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 11 18:57:41 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8EF583BF1F; Fri, 11 May 2007 18:57:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Qua Veda" To: Subject: Blog for Oregon or PacNW Loop Festival Date: Fri, 11 May 2007 11:57:36 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Thread-Index: AceT7ApvbKh0OGVLQL2YRNGgc0KVKwAEZZhg Message-Id: <200705111202875.SM03588@quahome> X-RBL-Warning: REVDNS: This E-mail was sent from a MUA/MTA 206.212.233.27 with no reverse DNS entry. X-Declude-Sender: qua@oregon.com [206.212.233.27] X-Declude-Spoolname: Dbdb103b60000daa1.smd X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude JunkMail (www.declude.com) for spam. Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70107 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 11 May 2007 18:57:41 +0000 (UTC) Hi, I created a blog space for discussion about Oregon or PacNW Loop Festival, in case it works better for detailed discussions that may not be of general interest to the entire L-D community. No offense taken if folks don't want to use it. But in case you do, here's the URL: http://019720e.netsolhost.com/oregonloop/ If you have trouble using it, let me know and I'll to fix it. -Qua From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 11 19:05:44 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EF1A43BF26; Fri, 11 May 2007 19:05:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-priority:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=lOWIac0yuc2NDtlKro5vtb9kk3Ogi9t5JLdHgxi//CKd2Sc0YAGfBsqe5BUS6MQifUftQ6wECnvdn2i2104YCxm5RtEa9ZscCsHN8CXkCUOwrLqeX7QYxlCPOraeHO3WtJ9zIlI4wShuunXVvtkSTlQV+PG0dICQJIovC1ruhwo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-priority:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=bK/VA1q91iJHLUBeXY017RiJN0kglXbntV9EqyKPrxhVW76J6pESl0ZAHSecTNE/1kvWOQzWkkRfpddC5iDMxdUlU3JSlDU8vs4ndCqwlh4CBHTBPaqopJXwdxKojn1kpKZw1qLoHAL24owFl9JjN7B3Tk+VD/CCa7NMNutCrK8= In-Reply-To: <064601c793e1$1d45d930$2cb0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> References: <064601c793e1$1d45d930$2cb0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <022A2918-C99E-4FE4-8119-1BEF64DCCB93@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: New CD Release: Mandolin from Mars Date: Fri, 11 May 2007 21:05:34 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70108 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 11 May 2007 19:05:43 +0000 (UTC) On 11 maj 2007, at 17.29, Krispen Hartung wrote: > I'd like to introduce my newest CD release, "Mandolin from Mars". > You can read more below, download sample sound clips, and view CD > artwork on the web. Exciting concept with "CD Themes" and that sci-fi cover art. Is it the same Mando from Mars that was in the Looper's Buzz a while back? Or is it a second one? Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) http://tinyurl.com/2kek7h (CC donationware music releases) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 11 19:57:29 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E87803BF29; Fri, 11 May 2007 19:57:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <06a401c79406$97b6c240$2cb0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <064601c793e1$1d45d930$2cb0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <022A2918-C99E-4FE4-8119-1BEF64DCCB93@gmail.com> Subject: Re: New CD Release: Mandolin from Mars Date: Fri, 11 May 2007 13:57:22 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70109 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 11 May 2007 19:57:28 +0000 (UTC) Yes, this is the mando from mars idea I brought up a few months ago, except now I have the remaining songs and CD. I'm glad to get it done. I'm now working on an all vocal looping/experimental music CD, and then afer that an all Found Sound CD. Since I was able to play 2 out of 3 of my Boise Experimental Music Festival sets with only vocals and my laptop, I'm now confident that I can do something really interesting....speaking of which, I'll have the first round of that festival's clips out today, which includes the full live clip I used on the CD below. Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Per Boysen" > On 11 maj 2007, at 17.29, Krispen Hartung wrote: > >> I'd like to introduce my newest CD release, "Mandolin from Mars". You >> can read more below, download sample sound clips, and view CD artwork on >> the web.> > > Exciting concept with "CD Themes" and that sci-fi cover art. Is it the > same Mando from Mars that was in the Looper's Buzz a while back? Or is it > a second one? > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > www.looproom.com (international) > http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) > http://tinyurl.com/2kek7h (CC donationware music releases) > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 11 20:00:11 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 95D683BF21; Fri, 11 May 2007 20:00:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Qua Veda" To: Subject: RE: New CD Release: Mandolin from Mars Date: Fri, 11 May 2007 13:00:10 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/related; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_003D_01C793CC.4F672640" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 In-Reply-To: <064601c793e1$1d45d930$2cb0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Thread-Index: AceT4cs80sWhZu8TRqSNvX4u76/maAAJQ8BQ Message-Id: <200705111304218.SM05988@quahome> X-RBL-Warning: REVDNS: This E-mail was sent from a MUA/MTA 206.212.233.27 with no reverse DNS entry. X-Declude-Sender: qua@oregon.com [206.212.233.27] X-Declude-Spoolname: Dcc5b031b0000007a.smd X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude JunkMail (www.declude.com) for spam. Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70110 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 11 May 2007 20:00:11 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_003D_01C793CC.4F672640 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_003E_01C793CC.4F672640" ------=_NextPart_001_003E_01C793CC.4F672640 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Wow! love the wild soundscapes with the (sometimes) recognizable and familiar mandolin over them. -Qua _____ From: Krispen Hartung [mailto:khartung@cableone.net] Sent: Friday, May 11, 2007 8:29 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: New CD Release: Mandolin from Mars Hello all, I'd like to introduce my newest CD release, "Mandolin from Mars". You can read more below, download sample sound clips, and view CD artwork on the web. Mandolin from Mars is colorful and complex exploration of the 6-string mandolin and laptop computer. This work weaves a fantastic story of the "red planet," babbling mountains, and menacing telepathic messages from the ancient chimera of HP Lovecraft's Cthulhu Mythos. Krispen Hartung - 6 string mandolin, vocals, guitar, laptop computer, real-time looping Website: http://www.krispenhartung.com/mandolin-from-mars/index.htm BUY: http://kunaki.com/Sales.asp?PID=PX00DQY6HH Credits * CD cover artwork by Mike Oglesbee ( shaboodude@hotmail.com) * CD production by Kunaki ( www.kunaki.com) * CD outside tray photos by Tarey P. of Thee Art Of ( www.theeartof.com) * "Reanimation" was recorded live at the 2nd Annual Boise Experimental Music Festival, with Vincent Miresse on percussion Sample Sound Clips Unintelligible Archetypal Babble from the Face - http://www.box.net/shared/static/7qjdb75zzg.mp3 Astrophonic Dreams in the Tube - http://www.box.net/shared/static/ok3vj504kx.mp3 Probe Out - http://www.box.net/shared/static/nbststyf8e.mp3 Trenches - http://www.box.net/shared/static/5maacjopzr.mp3 Thirst for Ancient Shores - http://www.box.net/shared/static/1qrsmqcda6.mp3 Reanimation - http://www.box.net/shared/static/a71glfsqvn.mp3 Cthulhu On Mars - http://www.box.net/shared/static/s5c9v2ruz8.mp3 CD Themes Anyone who has managed to follow my discography, while taking note of the themes I have emphasized as inspiration for my music, will also observe that I am almost always fixated upon the ideas of space, science fiction, and horror (especially the Lovecraftian sort). I'm afraid this CD is no different. These themes continue to occupy my thoughts and heart with the same fascination and intrigue that I experienced as a child. As with most of my works assembled on compact disc, I tend to freely improvise the music, let the music do the talking, and then title the songs and tell the story accordingly. Mandolin from Mars has two stories to tell. The first story is regarding this so-called "mandolin from mars." I decided to play an instrument relatively new to me, namely, the 6-string mandolin. The instrument has six single strings (not doubled like the traditional four-string mandolin), and it is tuned like a guitar. It was therefore not difficult for me, as a guitarist of 25 years, to grasp the fundamentals of the instrument and play it in a convincing manner almost immediately. However, the small fret spacing on the mandolin proved challenging and forced me to take the songs on the CD in a different direction than from the idiosyncrasies I normally exhibit on the guitar. Consequently, I titled the CD "Mandolin from Mars" because the instrument was alien to me (i.e., metaphorically from Mars), which compelled me to generate a musical feel that would seem alien to listeners relative to what they normally expect from the mandolin. Playing the mandolin on this CD was therefore an experiment. I did not practice the instrument before recording, but rather I immersed myself directly in the instrument to express myself as best as I could without being colored by familiarity with its musical character. The second story is the usual one. The titles and order of the pieces on this CD frame a series of images and concepts. Here is the "CliffsNotes" version: The so-called face of Mars sends a radio message to Earth, which the title depicts as "Unintelligible Archetypal Babble from the Face." This concept is accentuated by the fact that it is the only song on the CD that was recorded with only my voice, processed with the laptop computer. After the babble from the face, Earth sends out a manned probe to investigate. (Remind you of "2001: A Space Odyssey" and "2010: The Year We Make Contact"? It should.) During the space trek to the red plant, and while in their life support cold-sleep units, the astronauts are haunted and possessed by telepathic and menacing messages from an alien being on Mars. (The being is Cthulhu, and this is basically consistent with the Cthulhu Mythos for anyone into that story by HP Lovecraft.) Think of this when you hear the song "Astrophonic Dreams in the Tube," but take note that some of the sound effects you hear are a processed recording of an MRI machine. (I was inspired to do this after receiving an MRI and experiencing back surgery.) I actually enjoyed the MRI, which inspired me to produce more CDs like this! ...back to the story. Shortly before the manned space probe lands on Mars, Earth loses contact ("Probe Out"), after which the astronauts are driven (again by telepathic commands from Cthulhu) to cultivate some of the "trenches" on Mars, fill them with water ("Thirst for Ancient Shores"), and then reanimate Cthulhu, the ancient Lovecraftian beast. After this activity, Cthulhu rises to the planet's surface to...well, who knows? That is for the imagination of Lovecraft fans, but one might suspect that the creature remains on Mars to build a new alien kingdom. Either that or he makes his way back to earth to torment us. Cheers, Kris ************************************************************************** Krispen Hartung www.krispenhartung.com / www.myspace.com/krispenhartung Performance Calendar: http://www.musi-cal.com/search?performers=Krispen%20Hartung info@krispenhartung.com / 1.208.724.5603 Discography - http://www.krispenhartung.com/catalogue.htm CD Baby Discography: http://cdbaby.com/all/khartung ------=_NextPart_001_003E_01C793CC.4F672640 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Wow!  love the wild soundscapes with=20 the (sometimes) recognizable and familiar  mandolin = over=20 them.
-Qua

From: Krispen Hartung=20 [mailto:khartung@cableone.net]
Sent: Friday, May 11, 2007 = 8:29=20 AM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: = New CD=20 Release: Mandolin from Mars

Hello all,
 
I'd like to introduce my newest CD = release,=20 "Mandolin from Mars".  You can read more below, = download=20 sample sound clips, and view CD artwork on the web.

<= /I>

Mandolin from = Mars is=20 colorful and complex exploration of the 6-string mandolin and laptop = computer.=20 This work weaves a fantastic story of the "red planet," babbling = mountains, and=20 menacing telepathic messages from the ancient chimera of HP Lovecraft's=20 Cthulhu Mythos.

Krispen Hartung = - 6 string=20 mandolin, vocals, guitar, laptop computer, real-time=20 looping

Website: http:= //www.krispenhartung.com/mandolin-from-mars/index.htm
BUY:= =20 http://kunaki.com/S= ales.asp?PID=3DPX00DQY6HH

Credits

  • CD cover = artwork by=20 Mike Oglesbee (shaboodude@hotmail.com)
  • CD production by Kunaki (www.kunaki.com)
  • CD outside tray photos by Tarey P. of Thee Art = Of=20 (www.theeartof.com)
  • "Reanimation" was recorded live at the = 2nd Annual Boise Experimental Music = Festival, with Vincent Miresse on percussion

Sample Sound=20 Clips

Unintelligible Archetypal Babble from the Face - = http://www.box.n= et/shared/static/7qjdb75zzg.mp3
Astrophonic Dreams in the Tube - http://www.box.n= et/shared/static/ok3vj504kx.mp3
Probe=20 Out - http://www.box.n= et/shared/static/nbststyf8e.mp3
Trenches=20 - http://www.box.n= et/shared/static/5maacjopzr.mp3
Thirst=20 for Ancient Shores - http://www.box.n= et/shared/static/1qrsmqcda6.mp3
Reanimation=20 - http://www.box.n= et/shared/static/a71glfsqvn.mp3
Cthulhu=20 On Mars - http://www.box.n= et/shared/static/s5c9v2ruz8.mp3

CD Themes =

Anyone who has=20 managed to follow my discography, while taking note of the themes I have = emphasized as inspiration for my music, will also observe that I am = almost=20 always fixated upon the ideas of space, science fiction, and horror = (especially=20 the Lovecraftian sort). I’m afraid this CD is no different. These = themes=20 continue to occupy my thoughts and heart with the same fascination and = intrigue=20 that I experienced as a child.

As with most of my works assembled on compact = disc, I tend=20 to freely improvise the music, let the music do the talking, and then = title the=20 songs and tell the story accordingly. Mandolin from Mars has two stories = to=20 tell.

The first story is regarding this so-called = "mandolin from=20 mars." I decided to play an instrument relatively new to me, namely, the = 6-string mandolin. The instrument has six single strings (not doubled = like the=20 traditional four-string mandolin), and it is tuned like a guitar. It was = therefore not difficult for me, as a guitarist of 25 years, to grasp the = fundamentals of the instrument and play it in a convincing manner almost = immediately. However, the small fret spacing on the mandolin proved = challenging=20 and forced me to take the songs on the CD in a different direction than = from the=20 idiosyncrasies I normally exhibit on the guitar. Consequently, I titled = the CD=20 "Mandolin from Mars" because the instrument was alien to me (i.e.,=20 metaphorically from Mars), which compelled me to generate a musical feel = that=20 would seem alien to listeners relative to what they normally expect from = the=20 mandolin.

Playing the mandolin on this CD was therefore an = experiment.=20 I did not practice the instrument before recording, but rather I = immersed myself=20 directly in the instrument to express myself as best as I could without = being=20 colored by familiarity with its musical character.

The second story is the usual one. The titles and = order of=20 the pieces on this CD frame a series of images and concepts. Here is the = “CliffsNotes” version: The so-called face of Mars sends a = radio message to=20 Earth, which the title depicts as “Unintelligible Archetypal = Babble from the=20 Face.” This concept is accentuated by the fact that it is the only = song on the=20 CD that was recorded with only my voice, processed with the laptop = computer.=20 After the babble from the face, Earth sends out a manned probe to = investigate.=20 (Remind you of "2001: A Space Odyssey" and "2010: The Year We Make = Contact"? It=20 should.) During the space trek to the red plant, and while in their life = support=20 cold-sleep units, the astronauts are haunted and possessed by telepathic = and=20 menacing messages from an alien being on Mars. (The being is Cthulhu, = and this=20 is basically consistent with the Cthulhu Mythos for anyone into that = story by HP=20 Lovecraft.) Think of this when you hear the song “Astrophonic = Dreams in the=20 Tube,” but take note that some of the sound effects you hear are a = processed=20 recording of an MRI machine. (I was inspired to do this after receiving = an MRI=20 and experiencing back surgery.) I actually enjoyed the MRI, which = inspired me to=20 produce more CDs like this!

...back to the story. Shortly before the manned = space probe=20 lands on Mars, Earth loses contact (“Probe Out”), after = which the astronauts are=20 driven (again by telepathic commands from Cthulhu) to cultivate some of = the=20 "trenches" on Mars, fill them with water (“Thirst for Ancient = Shores”), and then=20 reanimate Cthulhu, the ancient Lovecraftian beast. After this activity, = Cthulhu=20 rises to the planet’s surface to...well, who knows? That is for = the imagination=20 of Lovecraft fans, but one might suspect that the creature remains on = Mars to=20 build a new alien kingdom. Either that or he makes his way back to earth = to=20 torment us…

Cheers,

Kris

 
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www.krispenhartung.com / = www.myspace.com/krispenhartung
Performance Calendar: http://www.musi-cal.com/search?performers=3DKrispen%20Hartun= g
info@krispenhartung.com / = 1.208.724.5603=20
Discography - http://www.krispenhartung.com/catalogue.htm
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Date: Fri, 11 May 2007 13:10:29 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/related; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_004F_01C793CD.C07EC260" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 In-Reply-To: <200705111304218.SM05988@quahome> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Thread-Index: AceT4cs80sWhZu8TRqSNvX4u76/maAAJQ8BQAABaaLA= Message-Id: <200705111315562.SM04560@quahome> X-RBL-Warning: REVDNS: This E-mail was sent from a MUA/MTA 206.212.233.27 with no reverse DNS entry. X-Declude-Sender: qua@oregon.com [206.212.233.27] X-Declude-Spoolname: Dcec602f3000005a4.smd X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude JunkMail (www.declude.com) for spam. Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70111 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 11 May 2007 20:10:30 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_004F_01C793CD.C07EC260 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_0050_01C793CD.C07EC260" ------=_NextPart_001_0050_01C793CD.C07EC260 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit have to share this... definitely a muse from another planet http://www.glumbert.com/media/kineticsculpture -Qua _____ From: Qua Veda [mailto:qua@oregon.com] Sent: Friday, May 11, 2007 1:00 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: New CD Release: Mandolin from Mars Wow! love the wild soundscapes with the (sometimes) recognizable and familiar mandolin over them. -Qua _____ From: Krispen Hartung [mailto:khartung@cableone.net] Sent: Friday, May 11, 2007 8:29 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: New CD Release: Mandolin from Mars Hello all, I'd like to introduce my newest CD release, "Mandolin from Mars". You can read more below, download sample sound clips, and view CD artwork on the web. Mandolin from Mars is colorful and complex exploration of the 6-string mandolin and laptop computer. This work weaves a fantastic story of the "red planet," babbling mountains, and menacing telepathic messages from the ancient chimera of HP Lovecraft's Cthulhu Mythos. Krispen Hartung - 6 string mandolin, vocals, guitar, laptop computer, real-time looping Website: http://www.krispenhartung.com/mandolin-from-mars/index.htm BUY: http://kunaki.com/Sales.asp?PID=PX00DQY6HH Credits * CD cover artwork by Mike Oglesbee ( shaboodude@hotmail.com) * CD production by Kunaki ( www.kunaki.com) * CD outside tray photos by Tarey P. of Thee Art Of ( www.theeartof.com) * "Reanimation" was recorded live at the 2nd Annual Boise Experimental Music Festival, with Vincent Miresse on percussion Sample Sound Clips Unintelligible Archetypal Babble from the Face - http://www.box.net/shared/static/7qjdb75zzg.mp3 Astrophonic Dreams in the Tube - http://www.box.net/shared/static/ok3vj504kx.mp3 Probe Out - http://www.box.net/shared/static/nbststyf8e.mp3 Trenches - http://www.box.net/shared/static/5maacjopzr.mp3 Thirst for Ancient Shores - http://www.box.net/shared/static/1qrsmqcda6.mp3 Reanimation - http://www.box.net/shared/static/a71glfsqvn.mp3 Cthulhu On Mars - http://www.box.net/shared/static/s5c9v2ruz8.mp3 CD Themes Anyone who has managed to follow my discography, while taking note of the themes I have emphasized as inspiration for my music, will also observe that I am almost always fixated upon the ideas of space, science fiction, and horror (especially the Lovecraftian sort). I'm afraid this CD is no different. These themes continue to occupy my thoughts and heart with the same fascination and intrigue that I experienced as a child. As with most of my works assembled on compact disc, I tend to freely improvise the music, let the music do the talking, and then title the songs and tell the story accordingly. Mandolin from Mars has two stories to tell. The first story is regarding this so-called "mandolin from mars." I decided to play an instrument relatively new to me, namely, the 6-string mandolin. The instrument has six single strings (not doubled like the traditional four-string mandolin), and it is tuned like a guitar. It was therefore not difficult for me, as a guitarist of 25 years, to grasp the fundamentals of the instrument and play it in a convincing manner almost immediately. However, the small fret spacing on the mandolin proved challenging and forced me to take the songs on the CD in a different direction than from the idiosyncrasies I normally exhibit on the guitar. Consequently, I titled the CD "Mandolin from Mars" because the instrument was alien to me (i.e., metaphorically from Mars), which compelled me to generate a musical feel that would seem alien to listeners relative to what they normally expect from the mandolin. Playing the mandolin on this CD was therefore an experiment. I did not practice the instrument before recording, but rather I immersed myself directly in the instrument to express myself as best as I could without being colored by familiarity with its musical character. The second story is the usual one. The titles and order of the pieces on this CD frame a series of images and concepts. Here is the "CliffsNotes" version: The so-called face of Mars sends a radio message to Earth, which the title depicts as "Unintelligible Archetypal Babble from the Face." This concept is accentuated by the fact that it is the only song on the CD that was recorded with only my voice, processed with the laptop computer. After the babble from the face, Earth sends out a manned probe to investigate. (Remind you of "2001: A Space Odyssey" and "2010: The Year We Make Contact"? It should.) During the space trek to the red plant, and while in their life support cold-sleep units, the astronauts are haunted and possessed by telepathic and menacing messages from an alien being on Mars. (The being is Cthulhu, and this is basically consistent with the Cthulhu Mythos for anyone into that story by HP Lovecraft.) Think of this when you hear the song "Astrophonic Dreams in the Tube," but take note that some of the sound effects you hear are a processed recording of an MRI machine. (I was inspired to do this after receiving an MRI and experiencing back surgery.) I actually enjoyed the MRI, which inspired me to produce more CDs like this! ...back to the story. Shortly before the manned space probe lands on Mars, Earth loses contact ("Probe Out"), after which the astronauts are driven (again by telepathic commands from Cthulhu) to cultivate some of the "trenches" on Mars, fill them with water ("Thirst for Ancient Shores"), and then reanimate Cthulhu, the ancient Lovecraftian beast. After this activity, Cthulhu rises to the planet's surface to...well, who knows? That is for the imagination of Lovecraft fans, but one might suspect that the creature remains on Mars to build a new alien kingdom. Either that or he makes his way back to earth to torment us. Cheers, Kris ************************************************************************** Krispen Hartung www.krispenhartung.com / www.myspace.com/krispenhartung Performance Calendar: http://www.musi-cal.com/search?performers=Krispen%20Hartung info@krispenhartung.com / 1.208.724.5603 Discography - http://www.krispenhartung.com/catalogue.htm CD Baby Discography: http://cdbaby.com/all/khartung ------=_NextPart_001_0050_01C793CD.C07EC260 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
have=20 to share this... definitely a muse from another=20 planet
http://www.glumbe= rt.com/media/kineticsculpture
-Qua
From: Qua Veda = [mailto:qua@oregon.com]=20
Sent: Friday, May 11, 2007 1:00 PM
To:=20 Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: RE: New CD = Release:=20 Mandolin from Mars

Wow!  love the wild soundscapes with=20 the (sometimes) recognizable and familiar  mandolin = over=20 them.
-Qua

From: Krispen Hartung=20 [mailto:khartung@cableone.net]
Sent: Friday, May 11, 2007 = 8:29=20 AM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: = New CD=20 Release: Mandolin from Mars

Hello all,
 
I'd like to introduce my newest CD = release,=20 "Mandolin from Mars".  You can read more below, = download=20 sample sound clips, and view CD artwork on the web.

<= /I>

Mandolin from = Mars is=20 colorful and complex exploration of the 6-string mandolin and laptop = computer.=20 This work weaves a fantastic story of the "red planet," babbling = mountains, and=20 menacing telepathic messages from the ancient chimera of HP Lovecraft's=20 Cthulhu Mythos.

Krispen Hartung = - 6 string=20 mandolin, vocals, guitar, laptop computer, real-time=20 looping

Website: http:= //www.krispenhartung.com/mandolin-from-mars/index.htm
BUY:= =20 http://kunaki.com/S= ales.asp?PID=3DPX00DQY6HH

Credits

  • CD cover = artwork by=20 Mike Oglesbee (shaboodude@hotmail.com)
  • CD production by Kunaki (www.kunaki.com)
  • CD outside tray photos by Tarey P. of Thee Art = Of=20 (www.theeartof.com)
  • "Reanimation" was recorded live at the = 2nd Annual Boise Experimental Music = Festival, with Vincent Miresse on percussion

Sample Sound=20 Clips

Unintelligible Archetypal Babble from the Face - = http://www.box.n= et/shared/static/7qjdb75zzg.mp3
Astrophonic Dreams in the Tube - http://www.box.n= et/shared/static/ok3vj504kx.mp3
Probe=20 Out - http://www.box.n= et/shared/static/nbststyf8e.mp3
Trenches=20 - http://www.box.n= et/shared/static/5maacjopzr.mp3
Thirst=20 for Ancient Shores - http://www.box.n= et/shared/static/1qrsmqcda6.mp3
Reanimation=20 - http://www.box.n= et/shared/static/a71glfsqvn.mp3
Cthulhu=20 On Mars - http://www.box.n= et/shared/static/s5c9v2ruz8.mp3

CD Themes =

Anyone who has=20 managed to follow my discography, while taking note of the themes I have = emphasized as inspiration for my music, will also observe that I am = almost=20 always fixated upon the ideas of space, science fiction, and horror = (especially=20 the Lovecraftian sort). I’m afraid this CD is no different. These = themes=20 continue to occupy my thoughts and heart with the same fascination and = intrigue=20 that I experienced as a child.

As with most of my works assembled on compact = disc, I tend=20 to freely improvise the music, let the music do the talking, and then = title the=20 songs and tell the story accordingly. Mandolin from Mars has two stories = to=20 tell.

The first story is regarding this so-called = "mandolin from=20 mars." I decided to play an instrument relatively new to me, namely, the = 6-string mandolin. The instrument has six single strings (not doubled = like the=20 traditional four-string mandolin), and it is tuned like a guitar. It was = therefore not difficult for me, as a guitarist of 25 years, to grasp the = fundamentals of the instrument and play it in a convincing manner almost = immediately. However, the small fret spacing on the mandolin proved = challenging=20 and forced me to take the songs on the CD in a different direction than = from the=20 idiosyncrasies I normally exhibit on the guitar. Consequently, I titled = the CD=20 "Mandolin from Mars" because the instrument was alien to me (i.e.,=20 metaphorically from Mars), which compelled me to generate a musical feel = that=20 would seem alien to listeners relative to what they normally expect from = the=20 mandolin.

Playing the mandolin on this CD was therefore an = experiment.=20 I did not practice the instrument before recording, but rather I = immersed myself=20 directly in the instrument to express myself as best as I could without = being=20 colored by familiarity with its musical character.

The second story is the usual one. The titles and = order of=20 the pieces on this CD frame a series of images and concepts. Here is the = “CliffsNotes” version: The so-called face of Mars sends a = radio message to=20 Earth, which the title depicts as “Unintelligible Archetypal = Babble from the=20 Face.” This concept is accentuated by the fact that it is the only = song on the=20 CD that was recorded with only my voice, processed with the laptop = computer.=20 After the babble from the face, Earth sends out a manned probe to = investigate.=20 (Remind you of "2001: A Space Odyssey" and "2010: The Year We Make = Contact"? It=20 should.) During the space trek to the red plant, and while in their life = support=20 cold-sleep units, the astronauts are haunted and possessed by telepathic = and=20 menacing messages from an alien being on Mars. (The being is Cthulhu, = and this=20 is basically consistent with the Cthulhu Mythos for anyone into that = story by HP=20 Lovecraft.) Think of this when you hear the song “Astrophonic = Dreams in the=20 Tube,” but take note that some of the sound effects you hear are a = processed=20 recording of an MRI machine. (I was inspired to do this after receiving = an MRI=20 and experiencing back surgery.) I actually enjoyed the MRI, which = inspired me to=20 produce more CDs like this!

...back to the story. Shortly before the manned = space probe=20 lands on Mars, Earth loses contact (“Probe Out”), after = which the astronauts are=20 driven (again by telepathic commands from Cthulhu) to cultivate some of = the=20 "trenches" on Mars, fill them with water (“Thirst for Ancient = Shores”), and then=20 reanimate Cthulhu, the ancient Lovecraftian beast. After this activity, = Cthulhu=20 rises to the planet’s surface to...well, who knows? That is for = the imagination=20 of Lovecraft fans, but one might suspect that the creature remains on = Mars to=20 build a new alien kingdom. Either that or he makes his way back to earth = to=20 torment us…

Cheers,

Kris

 
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Krispen=20 Hartung
www.krispenhartung.com / = www.myspace.com/krispenhartung
Performance Calendar: http://www.musi-cal.com/search?performers=3DKrispen%20Hartun= g
info@krispenhartung.com / = 1.208.724.5603=20
Discography - http://www.krispenhartung.com/catalogue.htm
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charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Ted Killian Subject: Re: Blog for Oregon or PacNW Loop Festival Date: Fri, 11 May 2007 13:35:46 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) X-Chzlrs: 0 Resent-Message-ID: <-PtdjB.A.sy._RNRGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70112 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 11 May 2007 20:39:28 +0000 (UTC) Qua, I've tried to register and log in. But it hasn't worked yet for me. In some ways I think keeping it on the LD list helps spark interest and input from the whole community -- which might not be there if we move the discussion offlist. I'm all for trying it though. Ted On May 11, 2007, at 11:57, Qua Veda wrote: > Hi, > I created a blog space for discussion about Oregon or PacNW Loop > Festival, > in case it works better for detailed discussions that may not be of > general > interest to the entire L-D community. > > No offense taken if folks don't want to use it. But in case you do, > here's the URL: http://019720e.netsolhost.com/oregonloop/ > > If you have trouble using it, let me know and I'll to fix it. > -Qua > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 11 20:50:44 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E15193BF3A; Fri, 11 May 2007 20:50:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com In-Reply-To: <20070511104105.9CD7344017@ws5-1.us4.outblaze.com> References: <20070511104105.9CD7344017@ws5-1.us4.outblaze.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619.2) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1-893243253 Message-Id: <70b06d6508dc2088f7c6271665931a87@charter.net> Cc: Rad Ray From: Ted Killian Subject: Re: Oregon Loops Date: Fri, 11 May 2007 13:47:02 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) X-Chzlrs: 0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70113 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 11 May 2007 20:50:43 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-1-893243253 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Ray, Well, it's nice to know there's someone in little ol' Medford, OR=20 besides me that loops -- really! I've only been living here for a decade, but the moniker "Deadford"=20 seems all to apt to me. Well, actually I know a couple of other folk who loop here but they're=20= more "pop" (or at least mainstream oriented) and don't really do it=20 much live. I've been doing this "looping" stuff since 1982 and have been on this=20 list since October of 1997 -- so label me an "old fart" I guess. We should meet for coffee sometime . . . Starbucks, Mellellos, or Bad=20 Ass would do . . . and talk shop. Best regards, tEd =AE kiLLiAn "Different is not always better, but better is always different" http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073 http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314 http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So??? "Just because nobody understands you doesn't mean you're an artist." "One man alone can be pretty dumb sometimes, but for real bona fide=20 stupidity, there ain't nothin' can beat teamwork." -- Edward Abbey=20 (1927 - 1989) On May 11, 2007, at 3:41, Rad Ray wrote: > I am from Medford and am fully down with a festival. If it happens I=20= > would love to have a lot of players perform on a loooooong tape loop. =20= > I can't find the website that shows a performance of this done before=20= > but I will explain for any who haven't seen it. Basically everyone=20 > has there own reel to reel where they add their sounds and one piece=20= > of tape runs through all the machines making a huge collaborative tape=20= > loop. I have at least three machines I could pitch in running at 7=20 > 1/2 ips (possibly 4). By the way Ted since your from my neck of the=20= > woods, I'm part of a crew that put together a show called "After 10"=20= > last year. It was some local entertainment/video games/music what not=20= > stuff but the part I did was record the music acts we had perform two=20= > songs per episode. Well this year we are changing the name so now=20 > it's just in our hands and not a television station's but anyway I get=20= > to choose the 13 acts this year so if your interested in having a=20 > performance broadcast in Southern Oregon let me know. We will be=20 > taping the music at Musichead this year. If anybody else is=20 > interested let me know. > > > --=20 > You Rock! Your E-Mail Should Too! Signup Now at Rock.com and get 250MB=20= > of Storage! > > http://webmail.rock.com/signup/ --Apple-Mail-1-893243253 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=ISO-8859-1 Ray, Well, it's nice to know there's someone in little ol' Medford, OR besides me that loops -- really! I've only been living here for a decade, but the moniker "Deadford" seems all to apt to me. Well, actually I know a couple of other folk who loop here but they're more "pop" (or at least mainstream oriented) and don't really do it much live. I've been doing this "looping" stuff since 1982 and have been on this list since October of 1997 -- so label me an "old fart" I guess. We should meet for coffee sometime . . . Starbucks, Mellellos, or Bad Ass would do . . . and talk shop. ArialBest regards, tEd =AE kiLLiAn "Different is not always better, but better is always different" http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073 http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314 http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes,=20 BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster,=20 AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks,=20 and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So??? "Just because nobody understands you doesn't mean you're an artist." "One man alone can be pretty dumb sometimes, but for real bona fide stupidity, there ain't nothin' can beat teamwork." -- Edward Abbey (1927 - 1989) On May 11, 2007, at 3:41, Rad Ray wrote: I am from Medford and am fully down with a festival. If it happens I would love to have a lot of players perform on a loooooong tape loop. I can't find the website that shows a performance of this done before but I will explain for any who haven't seen it. Basically everyone has there own reel to reel where they add their sounds and one piece of tape runs through all the machines making a huge collaborative tape loop. I have at least three machines I could pitch in running at 7 1/2 ips (possibly 4). By the way Ted since your from my neck of the woods, I'm part of a crew that put together a show called "After 10" last year. It was some local entertainment/video games/music what not stuff but the part I did was record the music acts we had perform two songs per episode. Well this year we are changing the name so now it's just in our hands and not a television station's but anyway I get to choose the 13 acts this year so if your interested in having a performance broadcast in Southern Oregon let me know. We will be taping the music at Musichead this year. If anybody else is interested let me know. =20 --=20 You Rock! Your E-Mail Should Too! Signup Now at Rock.com and get 250MB of Storage! http://webmail.rock.com/signup/ Arial = --Apple-Mail-1-893243253-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 11 20:55:53 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9AEA63BF47; Fri, 11 May 2007 20:55:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Qua Veda" To: Subject: RE: Oregon Loops Date: Fri, 11 May 2007 13:55:53 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0063_01C793D4.18333F30" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 In-Reply-To: <70b06d6508dc2088f7c6271665931a87@charter.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Thread-Index: AceUDrWRmfRo2QBLSrixZfijnNtcGgAACWZw Message-Id: <200705111400796.SM04560@quahome> X-RBL-Warning: REVDNS: This E-mail was sent from a MUA/MTA 206.212.233.27 with no reverse DNS entry. 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Resent-Message-ID: <6F-tYD.A.5zB.YhNRGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70114 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 11 May 2007 20:55:53 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0063_01C793D4.18333F30 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey, Ted, 3 coffee shops, can't be all that bad ;-) The nearest one to me is 15mi away _____ From: Ted Killian [mailto:tedkillian@charter.net] Sent: Friday, May 11, 2007 1:47 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Cc: Rad Ray Subject: Re: Oregon Loops Ray, Well, it's nice to know there's someone in little ol' Medford, OR besides me that loops -- really! I've only been living here for a decade, but the moniker "Deadford" seems all to apt to me. Well, actually I know a couple of other folk who loop here but they're more "pop" (or at least mainstream oriented) and don't really do it much live. I've been doing this "looping" stuff since 1982 and have been on this list since October of 1997 -- so label me an "old fart" I guess. We should meet for coffee sometime . . . Starbucks, Mellellos, or Bad Ass would do . . . and talk shop. Best regards, tEd R kiLLiAn "Different is not always better, but better is always different" http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=2845073 http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=CBNM_17314 http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=193 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So??? "Just because nobody understands you doesn't mean you're an artist." "One man alone can be pretty dumb sometimes, but for real bona fide stupidity, there ain't nothin' can beat teamwork." -- Edward Abbey (1927 - 1989) On May 11, 2007, at 3:41, Rad Ray wrote: I am from Medford and am fully down with a festival. If it happens I would love to have a lot of players perform on a loooooong tape loop. I can't find the website that shows a performance of this done before but I will explain for any who haven't seen it. Basically everyone has there own reel to reel where they add their sounds and one piece of tape runs through all the machines making a huge collaborative tape loop. I have at least three machines I could pitch in running at 7 1/2 ips (possibly 4). By the way Ted since your from my neck of the woods, I'm part of a crew that put together a show called "After 10" last year. It was some local entertainment/video games/music what not stuff but the part I did was record the music acts we had perform two songs per episode. Well this year we are changing the name so now it's just in our hands and not a television station's but anyway I get to choose the 13 acts this year so if your interested in having a performance broadcast in Southern Oregon let me know. We will be taping the music at Musichead this year. If anybody else is interested let me know. -- You Rock! Your E-Mail Should Too! Signup Now at Rock.com and get 250MB of Storage! http://webmail.rock.com/signup/ ------=_NextPart_000_0063_01C793D4.18333F30 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hey, Ted, 3 coffee shops, can't be all = that bad=20 ;-)      The nearest one to me is 15mi away=20

From: Ted Killian=20 [mailto:tedkillian@charter.net]
Sent: Friday, May 11, 2007 = 1:47=20 PM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Cc: Rad=20 Ray
Subject: Re: Oregon Loops

Ray,

Well, it's nice to know there's someone in little = ol'=20 Medford, OR besides me that loops -- really!

I've only been = living here=20 for a decade, but the moniker "Deadford" seems all to apt to = me.

Well,=20 actually I know a couple of other folk who loop here but they're more = "pop" (or=20 at least mainstream oriented) and don't really do it much = live.

I've been=20 doing this "looping" stuff since 1982 and have been on this list since = October=20 of 1997 -- so label me an "old fart" I guess.

We should meet for = coffee=20 sometime . . . Starbucks, Mellellos, or Bad Ass would do . . . and talk=20 shop.

Best regards,

tEd ®=20 kiLLiAn

"Different is not always better, but better is always=20 different"

http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html
http://www.CDbaby.= com/cd/tedkillian
http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html
http://ww= w.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina
http://www.towerrecords.com/product= .aspx?pfid=3D2845073
http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBN= M_17314
http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D1= 93

Ted=20 Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, =
BuyMusic,=20 Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster,
AudioLunchbox, = Lindows,=20 QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream,
RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect,=20 CatchMusic, Puretracks,
and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, = blah.=20 So???

"Just because nobody understands you doesn't mean you're an = artist."

"One man alone can be pretty dumb sometimes, but for = real bona=20 fide stupidity, there ain't nothin' can beat teamwork." -- Edward Abbey = (1927 -=20 1989)

On May 11, 2007, at 3:41, Rad Ray = wrote:

I am from Medford and am fully down with a festival. If it = happens=20 I would love to have a lot of players perform on a loooooong tape = loop. I=20 can't find the website that shows a performance of this done before = but I will=20 explain for any who haven't seen it. Basically everyone has there own = reel to=20 reel where they add their sounds and one piece of tape runs through = all the=20 machines making a huge collaborative tape loop. I have at least three = machines=20 I could pitch in running at 7 1/2 ips (possibly 4). By the way Ted = since your=20 from my neck of the woods, I'm part of a crew that put together a show = called=20 "After 10" last year. It was some local entertainment/video = games/music what=20 not stuff but the part I did was record the music acts we had perform = two=20 songs per episode. Well this year we are changing the name so now it's = just in=20 our hands and not a television station's but anyway I get to choose = the 13=20 acts this year so if your interested in having a performance broadcast = in=20 Southern Oregon let me know. We will be taping the music at Musichead = this=20 year. If anybody else is interested let me know.


-- =
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------=_NextPart_000_0063_01C793D4.18333F30-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 11 21:31:35 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 032733BF34; Fri, 11 May 2007 21:31:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <06f901c79413$be480970$2cb0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <200705111315562.SM04560@quahome> Subject: Re: more from Mars? Date: Fri, 11 May 2007 15:31:30 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/related; type="multipart/alternative"; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_06F3_01C793E1.72C0C870" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70115 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 11 May 2007 21:31:35 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_06F3_01C793E1.72C0C870 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_06F4_01C793E1.72C0C870" ------=_NextPart_001_06F4_01C793E1.72C0C870 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Fascinating! Is this guy independently wealthy to be able to spend the = time to design these things? It's quite amazing. Kris ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Qua Veda=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Friday, May 11, 2007 2:10 PM Subject: more from Mars? have to share this... definitely a muse from another planet http://www.glumbert.com/media/kineticsculpture -Qua -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- From: Qua Veda [mailto:qua@oregon.com]=20 Sent: Friday, May 11, 2007 1:00 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: New CD Release: Mandolin from Mars Wow! love the wild soundscapes with the (sometimes) recognizable and = familiar mandolin over them.=20 -Qua -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- From: Krispen Hartung [mailto:khartung@cableone.net]=20 Sent: Friday, May 11, 2007 8:29 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: New CD Release: Mandolin from Mars Hello all, I'd like to introduce my newest CD release, "Mandolin from Mars". You = can read more below, download sample sound clips, and view CD artwork on = the web. Mandolin from Mars is colorful and complex exploration of the 6-string = mandolin and laptop computer. This work weaves a fantastic story of the = "red planet," babbling mountains, and menacing telepathic messages from = the ancient chimera of HP Lovecraft's Cthulhu Mythos.=20 Krispen Hartung - 6 string mandolin, vocals, guitar, laptop computer, = real-time looping Website: http://www.krispenhartung.com/mandolin-from-mars/index.htm BUY: http://kunaki.com/Sales.asp?PID=3DPX00DQY6HH Credits a.. CD cover artwork by Mike Oglesbee (shaboodude@hotmail.com)=20 b.. CD production by Kunaki (www.kunaki.com)=20 c.. CD outside tray photos by Tarey P. of Thee Art Of = (www.theeartof.com)=20 d.. "Reanimation" was recorded live at the 2nd Annual Boise = Experimental Music Festival, with Vincent Miresse on percussion Sample Sound Clips Unintelligible Archetypal Babble from the Face - = http://www.box.net/shared/static/7qjdb75zzg.mp3 Astrophonic Dreams in the Tube - = http://www.box.net/shared/static/ok3vj504kx.mp3 Probe Out - http://www.box.net/shared/static/nbststyf8e.mp3 Trenches - http://www.box.net/shared/static/5maacjopzr.mp3 Thirst for Ancient Shores - = http://www.box.net/shared/static/1qrsmqcda6.mp3 Reanimation - http://www.box.net/shared/static/a71glfsqvn.mp3 Cthulhu On Mars - http://www.box.net/shared/static/s5c9v2ruz8.mp3 CD Themes=20 Anyone who has managed to follow my discography, while taking note of = the themes I have emphasized as inspiration for my music, will also = observe that I am almost always fixated upon the ideas of space, science = fiction, and horror (especially the Lovecraftian sort). I'm afraid this = CD is no different. These themes continue to occupy my thoughts and = heart with the same fascination and intrigue that I experienced as a = child. As with most of my works assembled on compact disc, I tend to freely = improvise the music, let the music do the talking, and then title the = songs and tell the story accordingly. Mandolin from Mars has two stories = to tell. The first story is regarding this so-called "mandolin from mars." I = decided to play an instrument relatively new to me, namely, the 6-string = mandolin. The instrument has six single strings (not doubled like the = traditional four-string mandolin), and it is tuned like a guitar. It was = therefore not difficult for me, as a guitarist of 25 years, to grasp the = fundamentals of the instrument and play it in a convincing manner almost = immediately. However, the small fret spacing on the mandolin proved = challenging and forced me to take the songs on the CD in a different = direction than from the idiosyncrasies I normally exhibit on the guitar. = Consequently, I titled the CD "Mandolin from Mars" because the = instrument was alien to me (i.e., metaphorically from Mars), which = compelled me to generate a musical feel that would seem alien to = listeners relative to what they normally expect from the mandolin.=20 Playing the mandolin on this CD was therefore an experiment. I did not = practice the instrument before recording, but rather I immersed myself = directly in the instrument to express myself as best as I could without = being colored by familiarity with its musical character. The second story is the usual one. The titles and order of the pieces = on this CD frame a series of images and concepts. Here is the = "CliffsNotes" version: The so-called face of Mars sends a radio message = to Earth, which the title depicts as "Unintelligible Archetypal Babble = from the Face." This concept is accentuated by the fact that it is the = only song on the CD that was recorded with only my voice, processed with = the laptop computer. After the babble from the face, Earth sends out a = manned probe to investigate. (Remind you of "2001: A Space Odyssey" and = "2010: The Year We Make Contact"? It should.) During the space trek to = the red plant, and while in their life support cold-sleep units, the = astronauts are haunted and possessed by telepathic and menacing messages = from an alien being on Mars. (The being is Cthulhu, and this is = basically consistent with the Cthulhu Mythos for anyone into that story = by HP Lovecraft.) Think of this when you hear the song "Astrophonic = Dreams in the Tube," but take note that some of the sound effects you = hear are a processed recording of an MRI machine. (I was inspired to do = this after receiving an MRI and experiencing back surgery.) I actually = enjoyed the MRI, which inspired me to produce more CDs like this! ...back to the story. Shortly before the manned space probe lands on = Mars, Earth loses contact ("Probe Out"), after which the astronauts are = driven (again by telepathic commands from Cthulhu) to cultivate some of = the "trenches" on Mars, fill them with water ("Thirst for Ancient = Shores"), and then reanimate Cthulhu, the ancient Lovecraftian beast. = After this activity, Cthulhu rises to the planet's surface to...well, = who knows? That is for the imagination of Lovecraft fans, but one might = suspect that the creature remains on Mars to build a new alien kingdom. = Either that or he makes his way back to earth to torment us. Cheers, Kris = *************************************************************************= * Krispen Hartung=20 www.krispenhartung.com / www.myspace.com/krispenhartung Performance Calendar: = http://www.musi-cal.com/search?performers=3DKrispen%20Hartung info@krispenhartung.com / 1.208.724.5603=20 Discography - http://www.krispenhartung.com/catalogue.htm CD Baby Discography: http://cdbaby.com/all/khartung ------=_NextPart_001_06F4_01C793E1.72C0C870 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Fascinating! Is this guy independently = wealthy to=20 be able to spend the time to design these things? It's quite=20 amazing.
 
Kris
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Qua Veda =
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Friday, May 11, 2007 2:10 = PM
Subject: more from Mars?

have to share this... definitely a muse from = another=20 planet
http://www.glumbe= rt.com/media/kineticsculpture
-Qua
From: Qua Veda = [mailto:qua@oregon.com]=20
Sent: Friday, May 11, 2007 1:00 PM
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com
Subject:=20 RE: New CD Release: Mandolin from Mars

Wow!  love the wild soundscapes with=20 the (sometimes) recognizable and familiar =  mandolin over=20 them.
-Qua

From: Krispen Hartung=20 [mailto:khartung@cableone.net]
Sent: Friday, May 11, 2007 = 8:29=20 AM
To: = Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: New CD=20 Release: Mandolin from Mars

Hello all,
 
I'd like to introduce my newest CD = release,=20 "Mandolin from Mars".  You can read more below, = download=20 sample sound clips, and view CD artwork on the web.

<= /I>

Mandolin from = Mars is=20 colorful and complex exploration of the 6-string mandolin and laptop = computer.=20 This work weaves a fantastic story of the "red planet," babbling = mountains,=20 and menacing telepathic messages from the ancient chimera of HP = Lovecraft's=20 Cthulhu Mythos.

Krispen = Hartung - 6=20 string mandolin, vocals, guitar, laptop computer, real-time=20 looping

Website: http:= //www.krispenhartung.com/mandolin-from-mars/index.htm
BUY:= =20 http://kunaki.com/S= ales.asp?PID=3DPX00DQY6HH

Credits

  • CD = cover artwork by=20 Mike Oglesbee (shaboodude@hotmail.com)
  • CD production by Kunaki (www.kunaki.com)
  • CD outside tray photos by Tarey P. of Thee = Art Of=20 (www.theeartof.com) =
  • "Reanimation" was recorded live at the = 2nd Annual Boise Experimental Music = Festival, with Vincent Miresse on percussion

Sample Sound=20 Clips

Unintelligible Archetypal Babble from the Face - = http://www.box.n= et/shared/static/7qjdb75zzg.mp3
Astrophonic Dreams in the Tube - http://www.box.n= et/shared/static/ok3vj504kx.mp3
Probe=20 Out - http://www.box.n= et/shared/static/nbststyf8e.mp3
Trenches=20 - http://www.box.n= et/shared/static/5maacjopzr.mp3
Thirst=20 for Ancient Shores - http://www.box.n= et/shared/static/1qrsmqcda6.mp3
Reanimation=20 - http://www.box.n= et/shared/static/a71glfsqvn.mp3
Cthulhu=20 On Mars - http://www.box.n= et/shared/static/s5c9v2ruz8.mp3

CD Themes =

Anyone who=20 has managed to follow my discography, while taking note of the themes = I have=20 emphasized as inspiration for my music, will also observe that I am = almost=20 always fixated upon the ideas of space, science fiction, and horror=20 (especially the Lovecraftian sort). I=92m afraid this CD is no = different. These=20 themes continue to occupy my thoughts and heart with the same = fascination and=20 intrigue that I experienced as a child.

As with most of my works assembled on compact = disc, I tend=20 to freely improvise the music, let the music do the talking, and then = title=20 the songs and tell the story accordingly. Mandolin from Mars has two = stories=20 to tell.

The first story is regarding this so-called = "mandolin from=20 mars." I decided to play an instrument relatively new to me, namely, = the=20 6-string mandolin. The instrument has six single strings (not doubled = like the=20 traditional four-string mandolin), and it is tuned like a guitar. It = was=20 therefore not difficult for me, as a guitarist of 25 years, to grasp = the=20 fundamentals of the instrument and play it in a convincing manner = almost=20 immediately. However, the small fret spacing on the mandolin proved=20 challenging and forced me to take the songs on the CD in a different = direction=20 than from the idiosyncrasies I normally exhibit on the guitar. = Consequently, I=20 titled the CD "Mandolin from Mars" because the instrument was alien to = me=20 (i.e., metaphorically from Mars), which compelled me to generate a = musical=20 feel that would seem alien to listeners relative to what they normally = expect=20 from the mandolin.

Playing the mandolin on this CD was therefore an = experiment. I did not practice the instrument before recording, but = rather I=20 immersed myself directly in the instrument to express myself as best = as I=20 could without being colored by familiarity with its musical=20 character.

The second story is the usual one. The titles = and order of=20 the pieces on this CD frame a series of images and concepts. Here is = the=20 =93CliffsNotes=94 version: The so-called face of Mars sends a radio = message to=20 Earth, which the title depicts as =93Unintelligible Archetypal Babble = from the=20 Face.=94 This concept is accentuated by the fact that it is the only = song on the=20 CD that was recorded with only my voice, processed with the laptop = computer.=20 After the babble from the face, Earth sends out a manned probe to = investigate.=20 (Remind you of "2001: A Space Odyssey" and "2010: The Year We Make = Contact"?=20 It should.) During the space trek to the red plant, and while in their = life=20 support cold-sleep units, the astronauts are haunted and possessed by=20 telepathic and menacing messages from an alien being on Mars. (The = being is=20 Cthulhu, and this is basically consistent with the Cthulhu Mythos for = anyone=20 into that story by HP Lovecraft.) Think of this when you hear the song = =93Astrophonic Dreams in the Tube,=94 but take note that some of the = sound effects=20 you hear are a processed recording of an MRI machine. (I was inspired = to do=20 this after receiving an MRI and experiencing back surgery.) I actually = enjoyed=20 the MRI, which inspired me to produce more CDs like this!

...back to the story. Shortly before the manned = space=20 probe lands on Mars, Earth loses contact (=93Probe Out=94), after = which the=20 astronauts are driven (again by telepathic commands from Cthulhu) to = cultivate=20 some of the "trenches" on Mars, fill them with water (=93Thirst for = Ancient=20 Shores=94), and then reanimate Cthulhu, the ancient Lovecraftian = beast. After=20 this activity, Cthulhu rises to the planet=92s surface to...well, who = knows?=20 That is for the imagination of Lovecraft fans, but one might suspect = that the=20 creature remains on Mars to build a new alien kingdom. Either that or = he makes=20 his way back to earth to torment us=85

Cheers,

Kris

 
************************************************************= **************
Krispen=20 Hartung
www.krispenhartung.com / = www.myspace.com/krispenhartung
Performance Calendar: http://www.musi-cal.com/search?performers=3DKrispen%20Hartun= g
info@krispenhartung.com /=20 1.208.724.5603
Discography - http://www.krispenhartung.com/catalogue.htm
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<20070511213135.720033BF3C@arsenic.violacea.com> From: "samba -" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: oregonloopsoregonloo Date: Fri, 11 May 2007 14:46:40 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 May 2007 21:46:40.0701 (UTC) FILETIME=[DBD916D0:01C79415] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70116 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 11 May 2007 21:46:42 +0000 (UTC) Maybe a movable feast would be good. I think Ashland would be better than Medford-more Medford folks will go to Ashland for an event than vice/versa. But Ashland supports creative Arts much more than most towns,since the Shakespeaean Festival is their bread and butter. Beyond that extremely wise suggestion I'll leave it for local folks to decide. then Eugene, then maybe Bend then Portland .One day each,or siccesive weekends? _________________________________________________________________ Catch suspicious messages before you open them—with Windows Live Hotmail. http://imagine-windowslive.com/hotmail/?locale=en-us&ocid=TXT_TAGHM_migration_HM_mini_protection_0507 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 11 21:58:15 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 254B43BF3E; Fri, 11 May 2007 21:58:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <072701c79417$765132a0$2cb0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, boisemusicians@yahoogroups.com Subject: Streaming Clips Now from the 2nd Annual Boise Experimental Music Festival Date: Fri, 11 May 2007 15:58:07 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0724_01C793E5.2ACCFEE0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70117 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 11 May 2007 21:58:15 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0724_01C793E5.2ACCFEE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I am now streaming the first set of available sound clips from the 2nd = Annual Boise Experimental Music Festival, which includes these artists: Krispen Hartung & Vincent Miresse Craig Green=20 Amy Vecchione Moe! Staiano & Z'EV Lumper-Splitter & Krispen Hartung Krispen Hartung & Robert Sterling Lumper-Splitter The Transhumans=20 Streaming link: http://krispen.serverroom.us:9030/ (click "Listen") BEMF 2 Website: http://www.boisemusicians.com/BEMF-2/ I will let the stream run and repeat until late tonight. Kris *************************************************************************= * Krispen Hartung=20 www.krispenhartung.com / www.myspace.com/krispenhartung ------=_NextPart_000_0724_01C793E5.2ACCFEE0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I am now streaming the first set of = available sound=20 clips from the 2nd Annual Boise Experimental Music Festival, which = includes=20 these artists:
 
Krispen Hartung & Vincent=20 Miresse
Craig Green
Amy Vecchione
Moe! = Staiano=20 & Z'EV
Lumper-Splitter & Krispen=20 Hartung
Krispen = Hartung &=20 Robert Sterling
Lumper-Splitter
The = Transhumans=20
 
Streaming link: http://krispen.serverroom.us:= 9030/ (click=20 "Listen")
BEMF 2 Website: http://www.boisemusicians.= com/BEMF-2/
 
I will let the stream run and repeat = until late=20 tonight.
 
Kris
 
 
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Krispen=20 Hartung
www.krispenhartung.com /=20 www.myspace.com/krispenhar= tung
------=_NextPart_000_0724_01C793E5.2ACCFEE0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 11 22:02:45 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 86FEC3BF41; Fri, 11 May 2007 22:02:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4644E418.7050801@blueyonder.co.uk> Date: Fri, 11 May 2007 22:46:00 +0100 From: lifeisgood User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.10 (Windows/20070221) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: microphone Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------010803040007010004000507" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70118 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 11 May 2007 22:02:45 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------010803040007010004000507 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi, I am wondering what would be a good quality all-purpose microphone for looping. I would have it on stage either handheld for vocals or on a stand for percussion and acoustic instruments etc. I guess good anti-feedback properties and quite high sensitivity/directional properties would be good for quieter stuff. Cheers! --------------010803040007010004000507 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi,

I am wondering what would be a good quality all-purpose microphone for looping.
I would have it on stage either handheld for vocals or on a stand for percussion and acoustic instruments etc.
I guess good anti-feedback properties and quite high sensitivity/directional properties would be good for quieter stuff.

Cheers! --------------010803040007010004000507-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 11 22:04:21 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3EB663BF44; Fri, 11 May 2007 22:04:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <073801c79418$52fb10e0$2cb0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <4644E418.7050801@blueyonder.co.uk> Subject: Re: microphone Date: Fri, 11 May 2007 16:04:18 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0735_01C793E6.07FD4B30" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Resent-Message-ID: <0_NX7B.A.wYF.khORGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70119 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 11 May 2007 22:04:21 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0735_01C793E6.07FD4B30 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable SM57. Tried and true, relatively flat frequency response. Used for = guitars, vocals, drums, etc. This mic is still the most commonly used = mic in the industry. Music stores sell these more than any other store. Kris ----- Original Message -----=20 From: lifeisgood=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Friday, May 11, 2007 3:46 PM Subject: microphone Hi, I am wondering what would be a good quality all-purpose microphone for = looping. I would have it on stage either handheld for vocals or on a stand for = percussion and acoustic instruments etc. I guess good anti-feedback properties and quite high = sensitivity/directional properties would be good for quieter stuff. Cheers! ------=_NextPart_000_0735_01C793E6.07FD4B30 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
SM57. Tried and true, relatively flat = frequency=20 response. Used for guitars, vocals, drums, etc. This mic is still the = most=20 commonly used mic in the industry. Music stores sell these more than any = other=20 store.
 
Kris
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 lifeisgood
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Friday, May 11, 2007 3:46 = PM
Subject: microphone

Hi,

I am=20 wondering what would be a good quality all-purpose microphone for=20 looping.
I would have it on stage either handheld for vocals or on = a stand=20 for percussion and acoustic instruments etc.
I guess good = anti-feedback=20 properties and quite high sensitivity/directional properties would be = good for=20 quieter stuff.

Cheers! ------=_NextPart_000_0735_01C793E6.07FD4B30-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 11 22:06:41 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 329683BF49; Fri, 11 May 2007 22:06:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <074901c79418$a6520eb0$2cb0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <4644E418.7050801@blueyonder.co.uk> <073801c79418$52fb10e0$2cb0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Subject: Re: microphone Date: Fri, 11 May 2007 16:06:38 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0746_01C793E6.5B544900" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70120 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 11 May 2007 22:06:41 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0746_01C793E6.5B544900 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Clarification...Sure SM57, and sold more than any other mic, not store. = Sorry, I was typing too damn fast. Kris ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Krispen Hartung=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Friday, May 11, 2007 4:04 PM Subject: Re: microphone SM57. Tried and true, relatively flat frequency response. Used for = guitars, vocals, drums, etc. This mic is still the most commonly used = mic in the industry. Music stores sell these more than any other store. Kris ----- Original Message -----=20 From: lifeisgood=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Friday, May 11, 2007 3:46 PM Subject: microphone Hi, I am wondering what would be a good quality all-purpose microphone = for looping. I would have it on stage either handheld for vocals or on a stand = for percussion and acoustic instruments etc. I guess good anti-feedback properties and quite high = sensitivity/directional properties would be good for quieter stuff. Cheers! ------=_NextPart_000_0746_01C793E6.5B544900 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Clarification...Sure SM57, and sold = more than any=20 other mic, not store. Sorry, I was typing too damn fast.
 
Kris
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Krispen=20 Hartung
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Friday, May 11, 2007 4:04 = PM
Subject: Re: microphone

SM57. Tried and true, relatively flat = frequency=20 response. Used for guitars, vocals, drums, etc. This mic is still the = most=20 commonly used mic in the industry. Music stores sell these more than = any other=20 store.
 
Kris
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 lifeisgood
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Friday, May 11, 2007 = 3:46=20 PM
Subject: microphone

Hi,

I am=20 wondering what would be a good quality all-purpose microphone for=20 looping.
I would have it on stage either handheld for vocals or = on a=20 stand for percussion and acoustic instruments etc.
I guess good=20 anti-feedback properties and quite high sensitivity/directional = properties=20 would be good for quieter stuff.

Cheers!=20
------=_NextPart_000_0746_01C793E6.5B544900-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 11 22:09:08 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5553A3BF3E; Fri, 11 May 2007 22:09:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: AW: microphone Date: Sat, 12 May 2007 00:09:18 +0200 Organization: Moinlabs Message-ID: <003401c79419$05a59760$1001a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 In-Reply-To: <4644E418.7050801@blueyonder.co.uk> Thread-Index: AceUGBqdfikgoOWpRAWqZ51IqfttDwAAKm5Q X-RZG-AUTH: lUESeo99iNzPL8kuBgLYdKEqUywq9cxqeRA+BtFcSCD5deQ7OIWCG22XYqY= X-RZG-CLASS-ID: mo07 Resent-Message-ID: <9tSCHC.A.ExF.EmORGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70121 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 11 May 2007 22:09:08 +0000 (UTC) Beyer M201. The "high-end-version" of the SM57. Clearer sound (which means it will be better on acoustic instruments), hypercardiod pattern (means better anti-feedback/directional properties). ________________________________ Von: lifeisgood [mailto:lifeisgood@blueyonder.co.uk] Gesendet: Freitag, 11. Mai 2007 23:46 An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Betreff: microphone Hi, I am wondering what would be a good quality all-purpose microphone for looping. I would have it on stage either handheld for vocals or on a stand for percussion and acoustic instruments etc. I guess good anti-feedback properties and quite high sensitivity/directional properties would be good for quieter stuff. Cheers! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 11 22:40:14 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 694193BF43; Fri, 11 May 2007 22:40:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <075d01c7941d$56643a40$2cb0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <003401c79419$05a59760$1001a8c0@succubus> Subject: Re: microphone Date: Fri, 11 May 2007 16:40:11 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70122 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 11 May 2007 22:40:14 +0000 (UTC) They also work good together. The Beyer has more bottom end, but the SM57 is crisper in the high end. Some recording engineers use both to record the guitar, arranging them in a 90 degree angle and mixing them together. I don't know if it's a fact that the Beyer is a high end version of the SM57, though...there's only a $50-$60 difference on average. Each probably has its strengths depending on the application. I'd consider both low-mid range mics. K- ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Sent: Friday, May 11, 2007 4:09 PM Subject: AW: microphone > Beyer M201. The "high-end-version" of the SM57. Clearer sound (which means > it will be better on acoustic instruments), hypercardiod pattern (means > better anti-feedback/directional properties). > > > ________________________________ > > Von: lifeisgood [mailto:lifeisgood@blueyonder.co.uk] > Gesendet: Freitag, 11. Mai 2007 23:46 > An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Betreff: microphone > > > Hi, > > I am wondering what would be a good quality all-purpose microphone > for looping. > I would have it on stage either handheld for vocals or on a stand > for percussion and acoustic instruments etc. > I guess good anti-feedback properties and quite high > sensitivity/directional properties would be good for quieter stuff. > > Cheers! > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 11 23:13:15 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 988413BF4E; Fri, 11 May 2007 23:13:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Qua Veda" To: Subject: RE: microphone Date: Fri, 11 May 2007 16:13:09 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 In-Reply-To: <075d01c7941d$56643a40$2cb0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Thread-Index: AceUHgIwm/0EBUPyTKe3lrq0YA2IwwAA78+g Message-Id: <200705111617406.SM06968@quahome> X-RBL-Warning: REVDNS: This E-mail was sent from a MUA/MTA 206.212.233.27 with no reverse DNS entry. X-Declude-Sender: qua@oregon.com [206.212.233.27] X-Declude-Spoolname: Df997041e00006d8c.smd X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude JunkMail (www.declude.com) for spam. Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70123 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 11 May 2007 23:13:15 +0000 (UTC) Curious, is that the mic that beatboxers use? For live performance I imagine you'd need a lot of anti-feedback rejection etc characteristics. -Q -----Original Message----- From: Krispen Hartung [mailto:khartung@cableone.net] Sent: Friday, May 11, 2007 3:40 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: microphone They also work good together. The Beyer has more bottom end, but the SM57 is crisper in the high end. Some recording engineers use both to record the guitar, arranging them in a 90 degree angle and mixing them together. I don't know if it's a fact that the Beyer is a high end version of the SM57, though...there's only a $50-$60 difference on average. Each probably has its strengths depending on the application. I'd consider both low-mid range mics. K- ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Sent: Friday, May 11, 2007 4:09 PM Subject: AW: microphone > Beyer M201. The "high-end-version" of the SM57. Clearer sound (which means > it will be better on acoustic instruments), hypercardiod pattern (means > better anti-feedback/directional properties). > > > ________________________________ > > Von: lifeisgood [mailto:lifeisgood@blueyonder.co.uk] > Gesendet: Freitag, 11. Mai 2007 23:46 > An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Betreff: microphone > > > Hi, > > I am wondering what would be a good quality all-purpose microphone > for looping. > I would have it on stage either handheld for vocals or on a stand > for percussion and acoustic instruments etc. > I guess good anti-feedback properties and quite high > sensitivity/directional properties would be good for quieter stuff. > > Cheers! > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 11 23:13:51 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 502C33BF51; Fri, 11 May 2007 23:13:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4644F5D1.7080001@blueyonder.co.uk> Date: Sat, 12 May 2007 00:01:37 +0100 From: lifeisgood User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.10 (Windows/20070221) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: microphone References: <003401c79419$05a59760$1001a8c0@succubus> <075d01c7941d$56643a40$2cb0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> In-Reply-To: <075d01c7941d$56643a40$2cb0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------090808080107020409090800" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70124 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 11 May 2007 23:13:51 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------090808080107020409090800 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit what about the beta 57 or something a little more expensive? Krispen Hartung wrote: > They also work good together. The Beyer has more bottom end, but the > SM57 is crisper in the high end. Some recording engineers use both to > record the guitar, arranging them in a 90 degree angle and mixing them > together. I don't know if it's a fact that the Beyer is a high end > version of the SM57, though...there's only a $50-$60 difference on > average. Each probably has its strengths depending on the > application. I'd consider both low-mid range mics. > > K- > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar > Straschill" > To: > Sent: Friday, May 11, 2007 4:09 PM > Subject: AW: microphone > > >> Beyer M201. The "high-end-version" of the SM57. Clearer sound (which >> means >> it will be better on acoustic instruments), hypercardiod pattern (means >> better anti-feedback/directional properties). >> >> >> ________________________________ >> >> Von: lifeisgood [mailto:lifeisgood@blueyonder.co.uk] >> Gesendet: Freitag, 11. Mai 2007 23:46 >> An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >> Betreff: microphone >> >> >> Hi, >> >> I am wondering what would be a good quality all-purpose microphone >> for looping. >> I would have it on stage either handheld for vocals or on a stand >> for percussion and acoustic instruments etc. >> I guess good anti-feedback properties and quite high >> sensitivity/directional properties would be good for quieter stuff. >> >> Cheers! >> >> >> > > > > --------------090808080107020409090800 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit what about the beta 57 or something a little more expensive?

Krispen Hartung wrote:
They also work good together. The Beyer has more bottom end, but the SM57 is crisper in the high end. Some recording engineers use both to record the guitar, arranging them in a 90 degree angle and mixing them together. I don't know if it's a fact that the Beyer is a high end version of the SM57, though...there's only a $50-$60 difference on average.  Each probably has its strengths depending on the application.  I'd consider both low-mid range mics.

K-
----- Original Message ----- From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" <rs@moinlabs.de>
To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
Sent: Friday, May 11, 2007 4:09 PM
Subject: AW: microphone


Beyer M201. The "high-end-version" of the SM57. Clearer sound (which means
it will be better on acoustic instruments), hypercardiod pattern (means
better anti-feedback/directional properties).


________________________________

Von: lifeisgood [mailto:lifeisgood@blueyonder.co.uk]
Gesendet: Freitag, 11. Mai 2007 23:46
An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Betreff: microphone


Hi,

I am wondering what would be a good quality all-purpose microphone
for looping.
I would have it on stage either handheld for vocals or on a stand
for percussion and acoustic instruments etc.
I guess good anti-feedback properties and quite high
sensitivity/directional properties would be good for quieter stuff.

Cheers!







--------------090808080107020409090800-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 12 02:20:21 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A14913BF43; Sat, 12 May 2007 02:20:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=GYezRCg1BXlc5g7qAH5eoTNCYKsNfs77+4BkIamOmcM4svPUxJ/8g2BxmTYzx/JgPHqi2lEE9V4B8BrEgWflLiHzpFHyD5tUnnBlxRX05NWp9+1mpgxRmoneTVfiL5uSmWLT8eDeUyqar2i8/fOTO0pkYgm+cCXDcTg3uhGdOIQ= ; Message-ID: <20070512022020.46114.qmail@web32702.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: SlM8ayQVM1mvRID1.Tns8s_VqPeQL8irbuEOBz7i.F91Rj_exUILlRugBMaVTw7.D3G1LKnsEgUQgibd_uwrIU387DTaKgQNLw6zV5rBfDmGrdE65pwtmTHku_vMwg-- Date: Fri, 11 May 2007 19:20:20 -0700 (PDT) From: bill bigrig Subject: Re: microphone To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <075d01c7941d$56643a40$2cb0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70125 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 12 May 2007 02:20:21 +0000 (UTC) Howdy, You oughta check out the Paia MS mic kit. It's alittle tricky to build a suspension mount for but oh so nice. Rig --- Krispen Hartung wrote: > They also work good together. The Beyer has more > bottom end, but the SM57 is > crisper in the high end. Some recording engineers > use both to record the > guitar, arranging them in a 90 degree angle and > mixing them together. I > don't know if it's a fact that the Beyer is a high > end version of the SM57, > though...there's only a $50-$60 difference on > average. Each probably has > its strengths depending on the application. I'd > consider both low-mid range > mics. > > K- > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" > > To: > Sent: Friday, May 11, 2007 4:09 PM > Subject: AW: microphone > > > > Beyer M201. The "high-end-version" of the SM57. > Clearer sound (which means > > it will be better on acoustic instruments), > hypercardiod pattern (means > > better anti-feedback/directional properties). > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > Von: lifeisgood > [mailto:lifeisgood@blueyonder.co.uk] > > Gesendet: Freitag, 11. Mai 2007 23:46 > > An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > Betreff: microphone > > > > > > Hi, > > > > I am wondering what would be a good quality > all-purpose microphone > > for looping. > > I would have it on stage either handheld for > vocals or on a stand > > for percussion and acoustic instruments etc. > > I guess good anti-feedback properties and quite > high > > sensitivity/directional properties would be good > for quieter stuff. > > > > Cheers! > > > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________Get the free Yahoo! toolbar and rest assured with the added security of spyware protection. http://new.toolbar.yahoo.com/toolbar/features/norton/index.php From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 12 02:22:07 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 234993BF43; Sat, 12 May 2007 02:22:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <078e01c7943c$54c2a720$2cb0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <062d01c793dd$8390aa20$2cb0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Subject: Re: New CD Release: Mandolin from Mars Date: Fri, 11 May 2007 20:22:03 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/related; type="multipart/alternative"; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_078A_01C7940A.09831D80" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Resent-Message-ID: <_ODD5.A.xHB.OTSRGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70126 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 12 May 2007 02:22:07 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_078A_01C7940A.09831D80 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_078B_01C7940A.09831D80" ------=_NextPart_001_078B_01C7940A.09831D80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Ah, what the hell. Here's the share to all the complete MP3s on this CD. = They're all tagged and ready to pop in iTunes or your media player. http://www.box.net/shared/j4e6ejpoav Note: 100% of all my CD sales still go to supporting the Boise = Experimental Music Festival. Thanks to sales this last month, over $150 = went to this year's festival travelers. ----- Original Message -----=20 Hello all, I'd like to introduce my newest CD release, "Mandolin from Mars". You = can read more below, download sample sound clips, and view CD artwork on = the web. Mandolin from Mars is colorful and complex exploration of the 6-string = mandolin and laptop computer. This work weaves a fantastic story of the = "red planet," babbling mountains, and menacing telepathic messages from = the ancient chimera of HP Lovecraft's Cthulhu Mythos.=20 Krispen Hartung - 6 string mandolin, vocals, guitar, laptop computer, = real-time looping Website: http://www.krispenhartung.com/mandolin-from-mars/index.htm BUY: http://kunaki.com/Sales.asp?PID=3DPX00DQY6HH Credits a.. CD cover artwork by Mike Oglesbee (shaboodude@hotmail.com)=20 b.. CD production by Kunaki (www.kunaki.com)=20 c.. CD outside tray photos by Tarey P. of Thee Art Of = (www.theeartof.com)=20 d.. "Reanimation" was recorded live at the 2nd Annual Boise = Experimental Music Festival, with Vincent Miresse on percussion Sample Sound Clips Unintelligible Archetypal Babble from the Face - = http://www.box.net/shared/static/7qjdb75zzg.mp3 Astrophonic Dreams in the Tube - = http://www.box.net/shared/static/ok3vj504kx.mp3 Probe Out - http://www.box.net/shared/static/nbststyf8e.mp3 Trenches - http://www.box.net/shared/static/5maacjopzr.mp3 Thirst for Ancient Shores - = http://www.box.net/shared/static/1qrsmqcda6.mp3 Reanimation - http://www.box.net/shared/static/a71glfsqvn.mp3 Cthulhu On Mars - http://www.box.net/shared/static/s5c9v2ruz8.mp3 CD Themes=20 Anyone who has managed to follow my discography, while taking note of = the themes I have emphasized as inspiration for my music, will also = observe that I am almost always fixated upon the ideas of space, science = fiction, and horror (especially the Lovecraftian sort). I'm afraid this = CD is no different. These themes continue to occupy my thoughts and = heart with the same fascination and intrigue that I experienced as a = child. As with most of my works assembled on compact disc, I tend to freely = improvise the music, let the music do the talking, and then title the = songs and tell the story accordingly. Mandolin from Mars has two stories = to tell. The first story is regarding this so-called "mandolin from mars." I = decided to play an instrument relatively new to me, namely, the 6-string = mandolin. The instrument has six single strings (not doubled like the = traditional four-string mandolin), and it is tuned like a guitar. It was = therefore not difficult for me, as a guitarist of 25 years, to grasp the = fundamentals of the instrument and play it in a convincing manner almost = immediately. However, the small fret spacing on the mandolin proved = challenging and forced me to take the songs on the CD in a different = direction than from the idiosyncrasies I normally exhibit on the guitar. = Consequently, I titled the CD "Mandolin from Mars" because the = instrument was alien to me (i.e., metaphorically from Mars), which = compelled me to generate a musical feel that would seem alien to = listeners relative to what they normally expect from the mandolin.=20 Playing the mandolin on this CD was therefore an experiment. I did not = practice the instrument before recording, but rather I immersed myself = directly in the instrument to express myself as best as I could without = being colored by familiarity with its musical character. The second story is the usual one. The titles and order of the pieces = on this CD frame a series of images and concepts. Here is the = "CliffsNotes" version: The so-called face of Mars sends a radio message = to Earth, which the title depicts as "Unintelligible Archetypal Babble = from the Face." This concept is accentuated by the fact that it is the = only song on the CD that was recorded with only my voice, processed with = the laptop computer. After the babble from the face, Earth sends out a = manned probe to investigate. (Remind you of "2001: A Space Odyssey" and = "2010: The Year We Make Contact"? It should.) During the space trek to = the red plant, and while in their life support cold-sleep units, the = astronauts are haunted and possessed by telepathic and menacing messages = from an alien being on Mars. (The being is Cthulhu, and this is = basically consistent with the Cthulhu Mythos for anyone into that story = by HP Lovecraft.) Think of this when you hear the song "Astrophonic = Dreams in the Tube," but take note that some of the sound effects you = hear are a processed recording of an MRI machine. (I was inspired to do = this after receiving an MRI and experiencing back surgery.) I actually = enjoyed the MRI, which inspired me to produce more CDs like this! ...back to the story. Shortly before the manned space probe lands on = Mars, Earth loses contact ("Probe Out"), after which the astronauts are = driven (again by telepathic commands from Cthulhu) to cultivate some of = the "trenches" on Mars, fill them with water ("Thirst for Ancient = Shores"), and then reanimate Cthulhu, the ancient Lovecraftian beast. = After this activity, Cthulhu rises to the planet's surface to...well, = who knows? That is for the imagination of Lovecraft fans, but one might = suspect that the creature remains on Mars to build a new alien kingdom. = Either that or he makes his way back to earth to torment us. Cheers, Kris = *************************************************************************= * Krispen Hartung=20 www.krispenhartung.com / www.myspace.com/krispenhartung Performance Calendar: = http://www.musi-cal.com/search?performers=3DKrispen%20Hartung info@krispenhartung.com / 1.208.724.5603=20 Discography - http://www.krispenhartung.com/catalogue.htm CD Baby Discography: http://cdbaby.com/all/khartung ------=_NextPart_001_078B_01C7940A.09831D80 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Ah, what the hell. Here's the share to = all the=20 complete MP3s on this CD. They're all tagged and ready to pop in iTunes = or your=20 media player.
 
http://www.box.net/shared/j= 4e6ejpoav
 
Note: 100% of all my CD sales still go = to=20 supporting the Boise Experimental Music Festival.  Thanks to sales = this=20 last month, over $150 went to this year's festival = travelers.
----- Original Message -----

 
Hello all,
 
I'd like to introduce my newest CD = release,=20 "Mandolin from Mars".  You can read more below, = download=20 sample sound clips, and view CD artwork on the web.

<= /I>

Mandolin from = Mars is=20 colorful and complex exploration of the 6-string mandolin and laptop = computer.=20 This work weaves a fantastic story of the "red planet," babbling = mountains,=20 and menacing telepathic messages from the ancient chimera of HP = Lovecraft's=20 Cthulhu Mythos.

Krispen = Hartung - 6=20 string mandolin, vocals, guitar, laptop computer, real-time=20 looping

Website: http:= //www.krispenhartung.com/mandolin-from-mars/index.htm
BUY:= =20 http://kunaki.com/S= ales.asp?PID=3DPX00DQY6HH

Credits

  • CD = cover artwork by=20 Mike Oglesbee (shaboodude@hotmail.com)
  • CD production by Kunaki (www.kunaki.com)
  • CD outside tray photos by Tarey P. of Thee = Art Of=20 (www.theeartof.com) =
  • "Reanimation" was recorded live at the = 2nd Annual Boise Experimental Music = Festival, with Vincent Miresse on percussion

Sample Sound=20 Clips

Unintelligible Archetypal Babble from the Face - = http://www.box.n= et/shared/static/7qjdb75zzg.mp3
Astrophonic Dreams in the Tube - http://www.box.n= et/shared/static/ok3vj504kx.mp3
Probe=20 Out - http://www.box.n= et/shared/static/nbststyf8e.mp3
Trenches=20 - http://www.box.n= et/shared/static/5maacjopzr.mp3
Thirst=20 for Ancient Shores - http://www.box.n= et/shared/static/1qrsmqcda6.mp3
Reanimation=20 - http://www.box.n= et/shared/static/a71glfsqvn.mp3
Cthulhu=20 On Mars - http://www.box.n= et/shared/static/s5c9v2ruz8.mp3

CD Themes =

Anyone who=20 has managed to follow my discography, while taking note of the themes = I have=20 emphasized as inspiration for my music, will also observe that I am = almost=20 always fixated upon the ideas of space, science fiction, and horror=20 (especially the Lovecraftian sort). I=92m afraid this CD is no = different. These=20 themes continue to occupy my thoughts and heart with the same = fascination and=20 intrigue that I experienced as a child.

As with most of my works assembled on compact = disc, I tend=20 to freely improvise the music, let the music do the talking, and then = title=20 the songs and tell the story accordingly. Mandolin from Mars has two = stories=20 to tell.

The first story is regarding this so-called = "mandolin from=20 mars." I decided to play an instrument relatively new to me, namely, = the=20 6-string mandolin. The instrument has six single strings (not doubled = like the=20 traditional four-string mandolin), and it is tuned like a guitar. It = was=20 therefore not difficult for me, as a guitarist of 25 years, to grasp = the=20 fundamentals of the instrument and play it in a convincing manner = almost=20 immediately. However, the small fret spacing on the mandolin proved=20 challenging and forced me to take the songs on the CD in a different = direction=20 than from the idiosyncrasies I normally exhibit on the guitar. = Consequently, I=20 titled the CD "Mandolin from Mars" because the instrument was alien to = me=20 (i.e., metaphorically from Mars), which compelled me to generate a = musical=20 feel that would seem alien to listeners relative to what they normally = expect=20 from the mandolin.

Playing the mandolin on this CD was therefore an = experiment. I did not practice the instrument before recording, but = rather I=20 immersed myself directly in the instrument to express myself as best = as I=20 could without being colored by familiarity with its musical=20 character.

The second story is the usual one. The titles = and order of=20 the pieces on this CD frame a series of images and concepts. Here is = the=20 =93CliffsNotes=94 version: The so-called face of Mars sends a radio = message to=20 Earth, which the title depicts as =93Unintelligible Archetypal Babble = from the=20 Face.=94 This concept is accentuated by the fact that it is the only = song on the=20 CD that was recorded with only my voice, processed with the laptop = computer.=20 After the babble from the face, Earth sends out a manned probe to = investigate.=20 (Remind you of "2001: A Space Odyssey" and "2010: The Year We Make = Contact"?=20 It should.) During the space trek to the red plant, and while in their = life=20 support cold-sleep units, the astronauts are haunted and possessed by=20 telepathic and menacing messages from an alien being on Mars. (The = being is=20 Cthulhu, and this is basically consistent with the Cthulhu Mythos for = anyone=20 into that story by HP Lovecraft.) Think of this when you hear the song = =93Astrophonic Dreams in the Tube,=94 but take note that some of the = sound effects=20 you hear are a processed recording of an MRI machine. (I was inspired = to do=20 this after receiving an MRI and experiencing back surgery.) I actually = enjoyed=20 the MRI, which inspired me to produce more CDs like this!

...back to the story. Shortly before the manned = space=20 probe lands on Mars, Earth loses contact (=93Probe Out=94), after = which the=20 astronauts are driven (again by telepathic commands from Cthulhu) to = cultivate=20 some of the "trenches" on Mars, fill them with water (=93Thirst for = Ancient=20 Shores=94), and then reanimate Cthulhu, the ancient Lovecraftian = beast. After=20 this activity, Cthulhu rises to the planet=92s surface to...well, who = knows?=20 That is for the imagination of Lovecraft fans, but one might suspect = that the=20 creature remains on Mars to build a new alien kingdom. Either that or = he makes=20 his way back to earth to torment us=85

Cheers,

Kris

 
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Krispen=20 Hartung
www.krispenhartung.com / = www.myspace.com/krispenhartung
Performance Calendar: http://www.musi-cal.com/search?performers=3DKrispen%20Hartun= g
info@krispenhartung.com /=20 1.208.724.5603
Discography - http://www.krispenhartung.com/catalogue.htm
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<003401c79419$05a59760$1001a8c0@succubus> <075d01c7941d$56643a40$2cb0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <4644F5D1.7080001@blueyonder.co.uk> Subject: Re: microphone Date: Fri, 11 May 2007 20:24:21 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0794_01C7940A.5B9DCAC0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70127 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 12 May 2007 02:24:23 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0794_01C7940A.5B9DCAC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable That's what I thought, but when I introduced the topic to a music store = owner and sound engineer I know, he said the good ol' SM57s still sell = better and are more popular. He didn't particular like the newer Beta = models. The old Sures are just work horses. For me it's either an = SM57/58, or jump to a $400+ microphone.=20 Kris ----- Original Message -----=20 From: lifeisgood=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Friday, May 11, 2007 5:01 PM Subject: Re: microphone what about the beta 57 or something a little more expensive? Krispen Hartung wrote:=20 They also work good together. The Beyer has more bottom end, but the = SM57 is crisper in the high end. Some recording engineers use both to = record the guitar, arranging them in a 90 degree angle and mixing them = together. I don't know if it's a fact that the Beyer is a high end = version of the SM57, though...there's only a $50-$60 difference on = average. Each probably has its strengths depending on the application. = I'd consider both low-mid range mics.=20 K-=20 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar = Straschill" =20 To: =20 Sent: Friday, May 11, 2007 4:09 PM=20 Subject: AW: microphone=20 Beyer M201. The "high-end-version" of the SM57. Clearer sound = (which means=20 it will be better on acoustic instruments), hypercardiod pattern = (means=20 better anti-feedback/directional properties).=20 ________________________________=20 Von: lifeisgood [mailto:lifeisgood@blueyonder.co.uk]=20 Gesendet: Freitag, 11. Mai 2007 23:46=20 An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Betreff: microphone=20 Hi,=20 I am wondering what would be a good quality all-purpose microphone = for looping.=20 I would have it on stage either handheld for vocals or on a stand=20 for percussion and acoustic instruments etc.=20 I guess good anti-feedback properties and quite high=20 sensitivity/directional properties would be good for quieter = stuff.=20 Cheers!=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0794_01C7940A.5B9DCAC0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
That's what I thought, but when I = introduced the=20 topic to a music store owner and sound engineer I know, he said the good = ol'=20 SM57s still sell better and are more popular. He didn't particular like = the=20 newer Beta models. The old Sures are just work horses. For me it's = either an=20 SM57/58, or jump to a $400+ microphone.
 
Kris
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 lifeisgood
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Friday, May 11, 2007 5:01 = PM
Subject: Re: microphone

what about = the beta=20 57 or something a little more expensive?

Krispen Hartung = wrote:=20
They also work good together. The Beyer has more bottom = end, but=20 the SM57 is crisper in the high end. Some recording engineers use = both to=20 record the guitar, arranging them in a 90 degree angle and mixing = them=20 together. I don't know if it's a fact that the Beyer is a high end = version=20 of the SM57, though...there's only a $50-$60 difference on = average. =20 Each probably has its strengths depending on the application.  = I'd=20 consider both low-mid range mics.

K-
----- Original = Message=20 ----- From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" <rs@moinlabs.de>
To: <Loopers-Delight@l= oopers-delight.com>=20
Sent: Friday, May 11, 2007 4:09 PM
Subject: AW: microphone=20


Beyer M201. The "high-end-version" of the = SM57.=20 Clearer sound (which means
it will be better on acoustic = instruments),=20 hypercardiod pattern (means
better anti-feedback/directional=20 properties).


________________________________ =

Von:=20 lifeisgood [mailto:lifeisgood@blueyonder.= co.uk]=20
Gesendet: Freitag, 11. Mai 2007 23:46
An: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Betreff: microphone


Hi,

I am wondering = what would=20 be a good quality all-purpose microphone
for looping.
I = would have=20 it on stage either handheld for vocals or on a stand
for = percussion=20 and acoustic instruments etc.
I guess good anti-feedback = properties=20 and quite high
sensitivity/directional properties would be = good for=20 quieter stuff.

Cheers!=20 =







------=_NextPart_000_0794_01C7940A.5B9DCAC0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 12 02:31:45 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3DF273BF5D; Sat, 12 May 2007 02:31:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=I+6Ompzw3DSD1WPB6Gbu4viDpziaIH9rxGNrxXOz3uBmNr2pjARdS3UqIKa7Vpz16OFYhqG36KydmRWu5Rg2VXGF7ejKUVUp3DoDXnlWB3QV1zWa7TuGIGQvZ+JqTseRja+pusL32AlU4x6XnUZ2s3L0NlZfROLmvZHubMpmcCM=; X-YMail-OSG: tpVF3b4VM1mSu0Lrrt7ApY2yHPcpA6LJPwsrswu7qDoETMwxauSlNQSh8NOv8HltyAQNiK2n47437XWWfX9m.NOgSdx4ZjoshDUjN16yGO5OVG.01Xg- Date: Fri, 11 May 2007 19:31:43 -0700 (PDT) From: bill bigrig Subject: Re: ipods for field recordings To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <457F5ECF-AD1C-4A85-BDF4-704412E8A430@fuse.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <170080.29331.qm@web32707.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70128 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 12 May 2007 02:31:45 +0000 (UTC) Howdy, If this thing records, I'll offer $75. Rig(Mr. low income laborer that NEVER sells anything unless the original seller wants it back for the same price) --- monk wrote: > on the topic of field recordings.. i just stumbled > on my old sony tcd- > cd7 dat player, which was kind of industry standard > for a while. i > have no use for it, so if anyone wants to make me an > offer, please do > so off-list. > > > monk@fuse.net > > > ric hordinski > > www.richordinski.com > > www.myspace.com/richordinskimusic > > www.myspace.com/monasterystudio > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________Get the Yahoo! toolbar and be alerted to new email wherever you're surfing. http://new.toolbar.yahoo.com/toolbar/features/mail/index.php From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 12 02:35:00 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 72CC73BF64; Sat, 12 May 2007 02:35:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <464527CA.1080109@mhorse.com> Date: Fri, 11 May 2007 21:34:50 -0500 From: Daryl Shawn User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.10 (Windows/20070221) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: New CD Release: Mandolin from Mars References: <062d01c793dd$8390aa20$2cb0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <078e01c7943c$54c2a720$2cb0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> In-Reply-To: <078e01c7943c$54c2a720$2cb0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70129 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 12 May 2007 02:35:00 +0000 (UTC) Crazy man! Downloading as we speak...I'll write a review after I get to some of the other ones in my queue. tanks!! Daryl Shawn www.swanwelder.com > Ah, what the hell. Here's the share to all the complete MP3s on this > CD. They're all tagged and ready to pop in iTunes or your media player. > > http://www.box.net/shared/j4e6ejpoav From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 12 02:40:11 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BF13E3BF62; Sat, 12 May 2007 02:40:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <06a401c79406$97b6c240$2cb0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> References: <064601c793e1$1d45d930$2cb0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <022A2918-C99E-4FE4-8119-1BEF64DCCB93@gmail.com> <06a401c79406$97b6c240$2cb0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-6-914429553 Message-Id: From: Richard Sales Subject: Re: New CD Release: Mandolin from Mars Date: Fri, 11 May 2007 19:40:08 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70130 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 12 May 2007 02:40:11 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-6-914429553 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Fun stuff Kris. Sounds like the music you might hear in Nashville in a couple hundred years! Keep it up! Bill Monroe jams at the Star Wars Cantina Scene. richard sales glassWing farm and studio vancouver island, b.c. 800.545.6846 250.752.4816 www.glassWing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com On 11-May-07, at 12:57 PM, Krispen Hartung wrote: > Yes, this is the mando from mars idea I brought up a few months ago, > except now I have the remaining songs and CD. I'm glad to get it done. > I'm now working on an all vocal looping/experimental music CD, and > then afer that an all Found Sound CD. > > Since I was able to play 2 out of 3 of my Boise Experimental Music > Festival sets with only vocals and my laptop, I'm now confident that I > can do something really interesting....speaking of which, I'll have > the first round of that festival's clips out today, which includes the > full live clip I used on the CD below. > > Kris > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Per Boysen" > > >> On 11 maj 2007, at 17.29, Krispen Hartung wrote: >> >>> I'd like to introduce my newest CD release, "Mandolin from Mars". >>> You can read more below, download sample sound clips, and view CD >>> artwork on the web.> >> >> Exciting concept with "CD Themes" and that sci-fi cover art. Is it >> the same Mando from Mars that was in the Looper's Buzz a while back? >> Or is it a second one? >> >> Greetings from Sweden >> >> Per Boysen >> www.boysen.se (Swedish) >> www.looproom.com (international) >> http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) >> http://tinyurl.com/2kek7h (CC donationware music releases) >> >> > --Apple-Mail-6-914429553 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=US-ASCII Fun stuff Kris. Sounds like the music you might hear in Nashville in a couple hundred years! Keep it up! Bill Monroe jams at the Star Wars Cantina Scene. Gadgetrichard sales 7373,7F7F,C5C5glassWing farm and studio vancouver island, b.c. 800.545.6846 250.752.4816C3C3,9696,1C1C www.glassWing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com On 11-May-07, at 12:57 PM, Krispen Hartung wrote: Yes, this is the mando from mars idea I brought up a few months ago, except now I have the remaining songs and CD. I'm glad to get it done. I'm now working on an all vocal looping/experimental music CD, and then afer that an all Found Sound CD. Since I was able to play 2 out of 3 of my Boise Experimental Music Festival sets with only vocals and my laptop, I'm now confident that I can do something really interesting....speaking of which, I'll have the first round of that festival's clips out today, which includes the full live clip I used on the CD below. Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Per Boysen" On 11 maj 2007, at 17.29, Krispen Hartung wrote: I'd like to introduce my newest CD release, "Mandolin from Mars". You can read more below, download sample sound clips, and view CD artwork on the web.> Exciting concept with "CD Themes" and that sci-fi cover art. Is it the same Mando from Mars that was in the Looper's Buzz a while back? Or is it a second one? Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) http://tinyurl.com/2kek7h (CC donationware music releases) --Apple-Mail-6-914429553-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 12 02:52:55 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 129BA3BF5B; Sat, 12 May 2007 02:52:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [206.165.19.2] X-Originating-Email: [tarbit@hotmail.com] X-Sender: tarbit@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: From: "Louis Rossi" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: unsubscribe Date: Fri, 11 May 2007 22:52:49 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 May 2007 02:52:52.0599 (UTC) FILETIME=[A25A4070:01C79440] Resent-Message-ID: <8lFUw.A.OpC.GwSRGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70131 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 12 May 2007 02:52:54 +0000 (UTC) hotmail filters suck… see you soon regards lou >From: Richard Sales >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Re: New CD Release: Mandolin from Mars >Date: Fri, 11 May 2007 19:40:08 -0700 > >Fun stuff Kris. Sounds like the music you might hear in Nashville in a >couple hundred years! Keep it up! Bill Monroe jams at the Star Wars >Cantina Scene. > >richard sales >glassWing farm and studio >vancouver island, b.c. >800.545.6846 >250.752.4816 >www.glassWing.com >www.richardsales.com >www.hayleysales.com >www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com >On 11-May-07, at 12:57 PM, Krispen Hartung wrote: > >>Yes, this is the mando from mars idea I brought up a few months ago, >>except now I have the remaining songs and CD. I'm glad to get it done. I'm >>now working on an all vocal looping/experimental music CD, and then afer >>that an all Found Sound CD. >> >>Since I was able to play 2 out of 3 of my Boise Experimental Music >>Festival sets with only vocals and my laptop, I'm now confident that I can >>do something really interesting....speaking of which, I'll have the first >>round of that festival's clips out today, which includes the full live >>clip I used on the CD below. >> >>Kris >>----- Original Message ----- From: "Per Boysen" >> >> >>>On 11 maj 2007, at 17.29, Krispen Hartung wrote: >>> >>>>I'd like to introduce my newest CD release, "Mandolin from Mars". You >>>>can read more below, download sample sound clips, and view CD artwork >>>>on the web.> >>> >>>Exciting concept with "CD Themes" and that sci-fi cover art. Is it the >>>same Mando from Mars that was in the Looper's Buzz a while back? Or is >>>it a second one? >>> >>>Greetings from Sweden >>> >>>Per Boysen >>>www.boysen.se (Swedish) >>>www.looproom.com (international) >>>http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) >>>http://tinyurl.com/2kek7h (CC donationware music releases) >>> >>> >> _________________________________________________________________ Catch suspicious messages before you open them—with Windows Live Hotmail. http://imagine-windowslive.com/hotmail/?locale=en-us&ocid=TXT_TAGHM_migration_HM_mini_protection_0507 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 12 03:17:05 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4E65E3BF6F; Sat, 12 May 2007 03:17:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <7765B85D-31C9-4A42-BABF-BAB603E595C7@zoekeating.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Zoe Keating Subject: Bay area sound person? Date: Fri, 11 May 2007 20:17:01 -0700 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70132 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 12 May 2007 03:17:05 +0000 (UTC) Hi Loopers, I'm headlining the Great American Music Hall on June 23rd and methinks its about time I got a soundman/woman/whatever! I'm looking for someone who understands the sonic challenges of 1) cellos and 2) multi-tracked looping. If anyone has any recommendations (or resumes! ;-) ) could you mail me off list?? Thank you very much! celloly, Zoe From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 12 03:19:01 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9E5AB3BF68; Sat, 12 May 2007 03:19:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=MVIHE8of7QMwZtG1cewRQnYyl/lAJmuZpV66Osx4AuSrMYF8+xJJAwQU3xPv9q7XweJ4eEbnQ0Zz9csTSJhOXJUgaoE+fg6fFfOgdGdDoD/bjJu4kKZKXALuadnUpSkkDKLrlbq+NUclOd7ao5D6Lr2TJMun4kCq0+6n8TF5iFY=; X-YMail-OSG: _7xkHQMVM1laqRk2zBGQ2dXiJRGAsGJy_grvEdGxXD2MQfJKEWv1ET3SSv.Ng.4MRw-- Date: Fri, 11 May 2007 20:19:00 -0700 (PDT) From: rabbirabbifive Subject: Re: New CD Release: Mandolin from Mars To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <583266.71347.qm@web60324.mail.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70133 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 12 May 2007 03:19:01 +0000 (UTC) Kris: How are you generating the background ambiances? -rabbi “I saw too many people die, and a lot of people didn’t see any of that. They had a press conference and left. I’m looking up, fighting this incredible battle, and they’re doing press conferences and lying to the people. They’re telling them 40,000 troops are in New Orleans. It was all bull.” -Ray Nagin, Mayor of New Orleans ____________________________________________________________________________________ Park yourself in front of a world of choices in alternative vehicles. Visit the Yahoo! Auto Green Center. http://autos.yahoo.com/green_center/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 12 04:01:53 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 03E993BF57; Sat, 12 May 2007 04:01:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <07f501c7944a$4498e4f0$2cb0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <583266.71347.qm@web60324.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: New CD Release: Mandolin from Mars Date: Fri, 11 May 2007 22:01:49 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_07F2_01C79417.F982B540" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70134 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 12 May 2007 04:01:52 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_07F2_01C79417.F982B540 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > Kris: >=20 > How are you generating the background ambiances? >=20 > -rabbi I'll try to explain here. Most all of the really interesting effects are = from Reaktor. That program was a HUGE factor in this CD. I can only say = great things about Reaktor. That and MAX/MSP are all I really need these = days. Unintelligible Archetypal Babble from the Face - All my voice looped, = with high and low pitch and delay; I'm using a few Reaktor ensembles to = change the tone and character of my voice, plus a few other VST effects = that mangle it, such as Cycling 74 Hipno; I'm talking, laughing like a = madman, girgling, clicking, breathing, squeeking, making kissing sounds, = humming, etc...all sounds with my voice and processing Astrophonic Dreams in the Tube - The ambient texture is the recording of = a MRI machine, processed with a variety of Reaktor patches; then playing = the mandolin over this Probe Out - Most of the ambience is just the mandolin and messing with = the instrument, the strings above and below the bridge, playing with = octave, etc...looping all of this...then I use some Reakor ensembles = midway through the song, Trenches - I'm using a VST effect in the begining called Charsiensis, = and then I bring in other VST effects ,which I can't rememeber...but the = underying ambience texture is Charsiensis, maybe even KTGranulator...I = use Reaktor too; the rest is the mandolin and looping, reverse, etc. Thirst for Ancient Shores - The texture in the beginning is a Reaktor = ensemble, looped... Reanimation - Live recording; I'm just looping the mandolin and dropping = it a few octaves; then I'm using some Reaktor ensemles and a few of my = MAX/MSP octave and ring mod pathces Cthulhu On Mars - Electric guitar; just looping my fingernail scraping = my string with a lot of reverb, pitch, and delay; then I start looping = ambient textures, again with the same effects Kris ------=_NextPart_000_07F2_01C79417.F982B540 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
> Kris:
>
> How are you = generating=20 the background ambiances?
>
> -rabbi
 
I'll try to explain here. Most all of = the really=20 interesting effects are from Reaktor. That program was a HUGE factor in = this CD.=20 I can only say great things about Reaktor. That and MAX/MSP are all I = really=20 need these days.
 
Unintelligible Archetypal = Babble from the=20 Face - All my voice looped, with high and low pitch and delay; = I'm=20 using a few Reaktor ensembles to change the tone and character of my = voice, plus=20 a few other VST effects that mangle it, such as Cycling 74 Hipno; I'm = talking,=20 laughing like a madman, girgling, clicking, breathing, squeeking, making = kissing=20 sounds, humming, etc...all sounds with my voice and = processing

Astrophonic Dreams in the = Tube=20 - The ambient texture is the recording of a MRI machine, processed with = a=20 variety of Reaktor patches; then playing the mandolin over=20 this

Probe Out - Most = of the=20 ambience is just the mandolin and messing with the instrument, the = strings above=20 and below the bridge, playing with octave, etc...looping all of = this...then I=20 use some Reakor ensembles midway through the song,

Trenches - I'm = using a VST=20 effect in the begining called Charsiensis,=20 and then I bring in other VST effects ,which I can't = rememeber...but=20 the underying ambience texture is Charsiensis, maybe even = KTGranulator...I use=20 Reaktor too; the rest is the mandolin and looping, reverse,=20 etc.

Thirst for Ancient Shores = -=20 The texture in the beginning is a Reaktor ensemble, = looped...

Reanimation - Live recording; I'm just looping = the=20 mandolin and dropping it a few octaves; then I'm using some Reaktor = ensemles and=20 a few of my MAX/MSP octave and ring mod pathces

Cthulhu On Mars - Electric = guitar; just=20 looping my fingernail scraping my string with a lot of reverb, = pitch, and=20 delay; then I start looping ambient textures, again with the same=20 effects
 
Kris
 
------=_NextPart_000_07F2_01C79417.F982B540-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 12 08:14:11 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3AEB53BF55; Sat, 12 May 2007 08:14:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-OB-Received: from unknown (205.158.62.133) by wfilter.us4.outblaze.com; 12 May 2007 08:14:09 -0000 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "Rad Ray" To: "loopers delight" Date: Sat, 12 May 2007 03:14:09 -0500 Subject: re:oregon loop X-Originating-Ip: 216.104.69.79 X-Originating-Server: ws5-3.us4.outblaze.com Message-Id: <20070512081409.2FC552477B@ws5-3.us4.outblaze.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70135 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 12 May 2007 08:14:11 +0000 (UTC) Thanks for the link Daryl, that's exactly what I was referring to. And Ted, coffee sounds good send me an email and we'll do this.=20 Daryl wrote: >Here are some great pictures and commentary from one event where this=20 >has taken place: >http://home.swipnet.se/sonoloco27/fylkingenevents/loop.html >I can't tell you how much I looooove this idea. --=20 You Rock! Your E-Mail Should Too! Signup Now at Rock.com and get 250MB of S= torage! http://webmail.rock.com/signup/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 12 08:15:13 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 96C363BF5C; Sat, 12 May 2007 08:15:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Sat, 12 May 2007 04:17:46 -0400 From: Bill Fox Subject: Listen to the AM/FM Show in Less Than Two Hours from NOW To: undisclosed-recipients: ; Message-id: <4645782A.1000000@soundscapes.us> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.10 (Windows/20070221) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70136 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 12 May 2007 08:15:13 +0000 (UTC) THE AM/FM SHOW ON WMUH: http://soundscapes.us/amfm ======================================================================= My next stint on the AM/FM Show will be Saturday, May 12 at 6:00 am EDT/GMT-4, just under two hours from now. I will continue the special on E-dition Electronic Music Magazine's sampler CDs. I will play the music of bands playing on the 19th at the New Jersy Proghouse and at The Gatherings. Tune in to WMUH Allentown at 91.7 FM, broadcasting from the campus of Muhlenberg College. I alternate hosting the show with Bruce. When I am at the helm, the show features electronic, ambient, and spacemusic at the beginning, an eclectic mix of genres in the middle, and winds up with Progressive Rock. WMUH's web site is http://muhlenberg.edu/wmuh ====================================================================== Listen on-line to WMUH at http://www.muhlenberg.edu/wmuh and click the REAL AUDIO link or go directly to: rtsp://helix.muhlenberg.edu:554/broadcast/live.rm From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 12 08:37:43 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BC1353BF63; Sat, 12 May 2007 08:37:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-priority:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=DIxmRK3Ksvn0I73PCsbVOuVKZISuVMZSHWM1AWigJDBrPWfukGVQisLeQiuJ4D9xxGUWfNAtJ55PAbNOCvuG8xTsbreoC8boEIVP+JhgPmeOlrgCa687GpW831gM1Ko/DJIyG0HnUvwQVX2NdZOYh+zQ5xWOwofYNeqkD28IFI8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-priority:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=FJX6QTav7zFYjHROcNXbMAgTu7+FYAk0FGCA+9gH/RmwWKX1+bu6SMEwq7PU9SsuJxHkD94POqetuUIcRn4DN8OqbGz+2y/3vl4z1hmVrsVrYIMcYO0qeaByCb/bBY31rHk08corcLvqkstz4tMxVKHgf+IXO3Dhn18xUxiuBlY= In-Reply-To: <078e01c7943c$54c2a720$2cb0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> References: <062d01c793dd$8390aa20$2cb0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <078e01c7943c$54c2a720$2cb0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <6691885F-B03B-4235-978A-0C676B947B03@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: New CD Release: Mandolin from Mars Date: Sat, 12 May 2007 10:37:37 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70137 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 12 May 2007 08:37:43 +0000 (UTC) On 12 maj 2007, at 04.22, Krispen Hartung wrote: > Ah, what the hell. Here's the share to all the complete MP3s on > this CD. They're all tagged and ready to pop in iTunes or your > media player. > http://www.box.net/shared/j4e6ejpoav Much appreciated. Thank you! I like the music and the thorough conceptual presentation. Good glue to it all! Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://www.myspace.com/looproom http://www.jamendo.com/en/artist/per.boysen/ http://www.jamendo.com/en/artist/lo.fi.lazer/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 12 10:33:24 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 58B723BF5C; Sat, 12 May 2007 10:33:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <002a01c79480$f1d28960$0207a8c0@eluk1> From: "Stephen Goodman" To: References: <4644E418.7050801@blueyonder.co.uk> <073801c79418$52fb10e0$2cb0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <074901c79418$a6520eb0$2cb0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Subject: Re: microphone Date: Sat, 12 May 2007 11:33:11 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0027_01C79489.5220A510" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70138 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 12 May 2007 10:33:24 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0027_01C79489.5220A510 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable SM57 here. Bought two since 1977, only because I had to sell the first = one for rent money in '88. Got another one in '90. ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Krispen Hartung=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Friday, 11 May, 2007 23:06 PM Subject: Re: microphone Clarification...Sure SM57, and sold more than any other mic, not = store. Sorry, I was typing too damn fast. Kris ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Krispen Hartung=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Friday, May 11, 2007 4:04 PM Subject: Re: microphone SM57. Tried and true, relatively flat frequency response. Used for = guitars, vocals, drums, etc. This mic is still the most commonly used = mic in the industry. Music stores sell these more than any other store. Kris ----- Original Message -----=20 From: lifeisgood=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Friday, May 11, 2007 3:46 PM Subject: microphone Hi, I am wondering what would be a good quality all-purpose microphone = for looping. I would have it on stage either handheld for vocals or on a stand = for percussion and acoustic instruments etc. I guess good anti-feedback properties and quite high = sensitivity/directional properties would be good for quieter stuff. Cheers! ------=_NextPart_000_0027_01C79489.5220A510 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
SM57 here.  Bought two since 1977, only because = I had to=20 sell the first one for rent money in '88.  Got another one in=20 '90.
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Krispen=20 Hartung
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Friday, 11 May, 2007 = 23:06 PM
Subject: Re: microphone

Clarification...Sure SM57, and sold = more than any=20 other mic, not store. Sorry, I was typing too damn fast.
 
Kris
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Krispen=20 Hartung
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Friday, May 11, 2007 = 4:04=20 PM
Subject: Re: microphone

SM57. Tried and true, relatively = flat frequency=20 response. Used for guitars, vocals, drums, etc. This mic is still = the most=20 commonly used mic in the industry. Music stores sell these more than = any=20 other store.
 
Kris
 
----- Original Message ----- =
From:=20 lifeisgood
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Friday, May 11, 2007 = 3:46=20 PM
Subject: microphone

Hi,

I am=20 wondering what would be a good quality all-purpose microphone for=20 looping.
I would have it on stage either handheld for vocals or = on a=20 stand for percussion and acoustic instruments etc.
I guess good = anti-feedback properties and quite high sensitivity/directional = properties=20 would be good for quieter stuff.

Cheers!=20
------=_NextPart_000_0027_01C79489.5220A510-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 12 11:27:20 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0344A3BF63; Sat, 12 May 2007 11:27:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <011e01c79488$8b0ebb10$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "RICK WALKER" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: microphone: a professional percussionist replies Date: Sat, 12 May 2007 04:27:37 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.1 required=1.0 tests=AWL autolearn=disabled version=3.1.7 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.7 (2006-10-05) on mail.cruzio.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70139 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 12 May 2007 11:27:20 +0000 (UTC) The Shure SM-57 is a very good and dependable microphone. That being said and done (and all respect to Kris Hartung), it has a very uneven frequency reponse and has quite a pronounced 'proximity' effect (high roll on of bass frequencies) and a boost in the midranges that make it particularly advantageous for micing two really specific instruments: a very loud electric guitar cabinet and a snare drum. All of this is because it really can handle high SPLs (sound pressure levels) without feeding back under normal live monitoring cirumstances. A great microphone. Compared to a high quality condenser microhone or even the vastly improved Shure Beta SM 57, however and it is a fairly mediocre microphone for things like some human voice and percussion (or found sound). The trouble with condenser microphones is that they have a fairly omni directional pickup pattern which makes them highly susceptibale (sp?) to feedback under normal monitoring situations. One condenser microphone in particular, the AKG C1000S, has a special plastic 'focuser' that, when placed over the microphones element, narrows the pickup pattern to a very, very narrow cartoid pattern. This incredible focus of directionality of the microphone (something that makes the SM57 really good and the BETA SM57 fantastic) means that there is a lot less feedback potential in live situations. I used my brother's borrowed BETA SM57s a lot until I did a gig at the legendary Freight and Salvage Company performance venue in Berkeley, California with legendary finger styled/altered tuning guitarist Martin Simpson. I had a very difficult 'found sound' percussion instrument that I helped to innovate, called the Liquid Glass Ghatam. Fashioned out of a large four sided, clear glass flower vase filled with water (for pitch manipulation) it was a very difficult instrument to mic, let alone to loop live. It sounded like god in at this venue...................so much so that I sprung for two AKG C1000S in the next couple of months as I could afford them. This microphone is still problamatic when it comes to high SPLs with typical front monitoring live solutions so I eventually went to a rather cheap but elegant solution of using a Radio Shack Wirless Headpone system (run, directly off of my live mixing board). It really helps if you have multiple tracks to loop on, so that there is no grave danger of monitor leakage when you are recording new and multiple tracks. With the wireless headphones, this becomes a very high quality listening experience that I highly recommend (and trust me, I tried EVERY micing solution to make my frame drums and unusual percussion instruments sound really good , live). If you have typical monitoring solutions (normal stage monitors in front and underneath you), then I highly recommend that you use a BETA 57 (which I think is highly superior to the wonderful normal SM 57). One thing you can do to make it sound a little more pristine is to boost your treble or upper midranges by +3db on the returns of whatever looping solution you use. Even hard to mic Indian tablas sound good with this approach. Best of luck. Email me off list if you have any other solutions for micing or sound reinforcement ideas for your looping. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 12 11:49:06 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B918F3BF5E; Sat, 12 May 2007 11:49:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: microphone: a professional percussionist replies Date: Sat, 12 May 2007 13:49:16 +0200 Organization: Moinlabs Message-ID: <000001c7948b$91db93c0$1001a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Thread-Index: AceUiIDB+jWEZBjWQUSIXE09GZ6sowAAFL0Q In-Reply-To: <011e01c79488$8b0ebb10$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> X-RZG-AUTH: lUESeo99iNzPL8kuBgLYdKEqUywq9cxqeRA+BtFcSCD5deQ7OINF0TR076o= X-RZG-CLASS-ID: mo07 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70140 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 12 May 2007 11:49:06 +0000 (UTC) Rick, the professional percussionist, said: > The trouble with condenser microphones is that they have a > fairly omni directional pickup pattern which makes them > highly susceptibale (sp?) to feedback under normal monitoring > situations. Frankly, I do not understand this here. From what I thought I learned, the polar pattern results a) from the working principle of the transducer (i.e. either pressure-sensitive: only one side of the membrane is hit by the sound - this is an omni or pressure-gradient-sensitive: both sides of the membrane are hit by the sound - this is an eight) b) any constructional means of generating a specific run-time increase to one side of the membrane (which can turn an eight into e.g. a cardioid pattern) c) electrically combining two membranes (omni+eight=cardioid) d) the geometric dimensions of the microphone The polar pattern is to some degree frequency-dependant: while low frequencies easily "wrap around" the microphone, thus always hitting both sides of the membrane in a pressure-gradient mic, high frequencies only reach the side of the microphone they are directed at. And with that, back to your statement, why do condenser microphones always have a fairly omni directional pickup pattern? > One condenser microphone in particular, the AKG C1000S, > has a special > plastic 'focuser' that, when placed over the microphones > element, narrows the pickup pattern to a very, very narrow > cartoid pattern. According to AKG, it turns the cardioid pattern into a hypercardioid pattern, see here (p.24): http://www.akg.com/mediendatenbank2/psfile/datei/75/c1000s_LED4055c4360b704. pdf For comparison, the SM57 (p.2): http://www.shure.com/stellent/groups/public/@gms_gmi_web_ug/documents/web_re source/us_pro_sm57_ug.pdf According to the polar patterns both manufacturers specifiy, the attenuation from the rear @125Hz is 'round 20dB and and about 5dB from the sides. >From my experience, the SM57 tends to mask some frequencies when hit by high SPLs with another frequency. That, combined with the (perceived) higher sensitivity of the C1000S could lead to the observation that the SM57 more efficiently rejects the unwanted (mostly softer than the wanted signal) sound sources. Rainer From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 12 11:53:45 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A119B3BF63; Sat, 12 May 2007 11:53:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: AW: microphone Date: Sat, 12 May 2007 13:53:57 +0200 Organization: Moinlabs Message-ID: <000101c7948c$392cfb50$1001a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Thread-Index: AceUPKfy0J9hnUC6SV6oQlBhUwVE9QATyKfw In-Reply-To: <079701c7943c$a6b0ed30$2cb0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> X-RZG-AUTH: lUESeo99iNzPL8kuBgLYdKEqUywq9cxqeRA+BtFcSCD5deQ7OINF0TR076o= X-RZG-CLASS-ID: mo07 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70141 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 12 May 2007 11:53:45 +0000 (UTC) The funny thing is, while the SM58 is your run-of-the mill stage vocal microphone (which might be used on other things as well in times of need), the SM57 still seems to be one of the standard choices for guitar amps and snare drums, and in this realm is also found in recording studios next to the Brauners and Neumanns. There are a few things you might try for fun with SM57s, like miking an entire drum kit with four of them. You get a very punchy sound which saves you the compressor, the EQ and even works well on small playback systems without proper low-end reproduction. Rainer ________________________________ Von: Krispen Hartung [mailto:khartung@cableone.net] Gesendet: Samstag, 12. Mai 2007 04:24 An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Betreff: Re: microphone That's what I thought, but when I introduced the topic to a music store owner and sound engineer I know, he said the good ol' SM57s still sell better and are more popular. He didn't particular like the newer Beta models. The old Sures are just work horses. For me it's either an SM57/58, or jump to a $400+ microphone. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 12 13:02:49 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3FED53BF64; Sat, 12 May 2007 13:02:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Ao8CAENYRUbUSnILk2dsb2JhbACQAAEBBwgGDB+eVQ Message-ID: <4645BAF8.6090202@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Sat, 12 May 2007 14:02:48 +0100 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: microphone References: <003401c79419$05a59760$1001a8c0@succubus> <075d01c7941d$56643a40$2cb0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <4644F5D1.7080001@blueyonder.co.uk> <079701c7943c$a6b0ed30$2cb0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> In-Reply-To: <079701c7943c$a6b0ed30$2cb0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70142 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 12 May 2007 13:02:49 +0000 (UTC) Really, a good microphone is one that works with a sound that you like. That being said, here's more than anyone cares to know about the subject with no clear conclusions drawn:- SM57 In the seventies, when it was a 545, this was a pretty good mic to get. Just about good enough to use as an overhead to capture a whole drum kit ( a good test of a mic, I always thought), an application, where other cheap mics that were around at the time would fail. It's not a flat response, by intention it has a presence peak for "additional clarity", this being in the lower end of the treble range. This peak is no doubt good for forcing a sound through a bad pa, but when recording percussion you get a definite colouration to the attack. Of course, you might like that ( I don't), but if looping different percussion instruments the problem is that it gives a similar color to all the different instruments. SM58 I've never heard 2 the same, so don't think they can reasonably be considered a standard. Nevertheless an SM58 is often used to set up the main graphic equalizers of a pa in an attempt to reduce feedback ( to the detriment of other mics used, and of course spoiling the sound of anything DI'ed). The new SM58s, since the latest upgrade sound better than the old ones, and the Beta version also sounds better. The SM58 (and similar) is plagued by muddiness in the region around 200Hz, the only way to get a usable vocal sound with a live desk is to cut quite heavily at this frequency. Once you've done that you've most likely used up the one and only parametric mid on the desk, so no chance to do any fine tuning of the sound. These days it's possible to buy cheap stage condenser mics, they have to be a better option. Don't let Deaf Jeff the sound guy tell you that condensers feedback more because they are more "sensitive". Sensitivity is totally irrelevant to feedback. Condensers generally have a much more even off axis frequency response than dynamics,and it's unevenness in the off axis response that is the main cause of feedback if you set up the mic correctly. So while individual mics vary there's no reason to think that condensers are inherently more prone to feedback. I haven't been able to try any of the new stage condensors, but the price is good and the idea is sound. Oh, and Neuman do one, wouldn't mind checking that out. http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/feb01/articles/neumannkms105.htm?print=yes Oh, and just read Rick's informative post. At least he actually ends up recommending something (which I don't). Actually condenser mics are capable of having a much better defined polar pattern than a dynamic, but only if they use 2 capsules (which is more expensive). That's more likely to be found in a studio Multi-pattern mic though. Rick's C1000's do have 2 capsules, but they aren't the same size, so some of that advantage is lost as the capsules aren't matched. There's no reason that dymamics should have the edge in feedback rejection, except that they're more likely to have been designed for that. If you're looking for an industry standard dynamic the Sennheiser 421 is contender. Far superior to the SM57 in detail and flatness of response, and doesn't have the 200Hz muddiness on vocals of the SM58 ( yes, it easily beat my 545 on the whole drum kit). Down side are 1) a bit pricey ( but it still sells despite this) 2) the clip for attaching to a stand isn't so good (needs gaffer for live work) 3) It's still got to be better to find a suitable condenser. Summary.. ...get a stage condenser, if you can try one out to find what suits you. I seen a number about at reasonable price (less than the Shures). (unless of course your setup means you can't give it phantom power). andy butler Krispen Hartung wrote: > That's what I thought, but when I introduced the topic to a music store > owner and sound engineer I know, he said the good ol' SM57s still sell > better and are more popular. He didn't particular like the newer Beta > models. The old Sures are just work horses. For me it's either an > SM57/58, or jump to a $400+ microphone. > > Kris From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 12 13:45:49 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8A2983BF6B; Sat, 12 May 2007 13:45:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <086801c7949b$d800a0b0$2cb0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <011e01c79488$8b0ebb10$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Subject: Re: microphone: a professional percussionist replies Date: Sat, 12 May 2007 07:45:46 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70143 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 12 May 2007 13:45:49 +0000 (UTC) Actually, this leads me to another question. Which mic in the $100-200 price range has the flattest frequency response? Is that what we are after for a general purpose mic that can be used for voice, instruments, close mic, overhead, ambient, etc? What is the swiss army knive of mics? I know this is probably a loaded question, because flat frequency response is sometimes the first thing to be sacrificed in cheaper gear, but I'm curious...all based on published specs (not frequency ranges, but real frequency responses with +/- figures). It irritates me when the low end manufactures publish a frequency range and call it a frequency response. It's misleading. Any suggestions? Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "RICK WALKER" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Sent: Saturday, May 12, 2007 5:27 AM Subject: microphone: a professional percussionist replies > The Shure SM-57 is a very good and dependable microphone. > > That being said and done (and all respect to Kris Hartung), it has a > very uneven > frequency reponse and has quite a pronounced 'proximity' effect (high roll > on of bass frequencies) > and a boost in the midranges that make it particularly advantageous for > micing two really specific > instruments: a very loud electric guitar cabinet and a snare drum. All > of this is because it really > can handle high SPLs (sound pressure levels) without feeding back under > normal live monitoring cirumstances. > > > A great microphone. > > Compared to a high quality condenser microhone or even the vastly improved > Shure Beta SM 57, however and > it is a fairly mediocre microphone for things like some human voice and > percussion (or found sound). > > The trouble with condenser microphones is that they have a fairly omni > directional pickup pattern which makes them > highly susceptibale (sp?) to feedback under normal monitoring situations. > > One condenser microphone in particular, the AKG C1000S, has a special > plastic 'focuser' that, when placed over the > microphones element, narrows the pickup pattern to a very, very narrow > cartoid pattern. > > This incredible focus of directionality of the microphone (something that > makes the SM57 really good and the BETA SM57 fantastic) > means that there is a lot less feedback potential in live situations. > > I used my brother's borrowed BETA SM57s a lot until I did a gig at the > legendary Freight and Salvage Company performance venue in > Berkeley, California with legendary finger styled/altered tuning guitarist > Martin Simpson. > > I had a very difficult 'found sound' percussion instrument that I helped > to innovate, called the Liquid Glass Ghatam. > Fashioned out of a large four sided, clear glass flower vase filled with > water (for pitch manipulation) it was a very difficult > instrument to mic, let alone to loop live. > > It sounded like god in at this venue...................so much so that I > sprung for two AKG C1000S in the next couple of months as I could afford > them. > > > > This microphone is still problamatic when it comes to high SPLs with > typical front monitoring live solutions so I eventually went to a rather > cheap > but elegant solution of using a Radio Shack Wirless Headpone system (run, > directly off of my live mixing board). > > It really helps if you have multiple tracks to loop on, so that there is > no grave danger of monitor leakage when you are recording new and multiple > tracks. With the wireless headphones, this becomes a very high quality > listening experience that I highly recommend (and trust me, I tried EVERY > micing solution to make my frame drums and unusual percussion instruments > sound really good , live). > > If you have typical monitoring solutions (normal stage monitors in front > and underneath you), then I highly recommend that you use > a BETA 57 (which I think is highly superior to the wonderful normal SM > 57). > > One thing you can do to make it sound a little more pristine is to boost > your treble or upper midranges by +3db on the returns of whatever looping > solution you use. Even hard to mic Indian tablas sound good with this > approach. > > Best of luck. Email me off list if you have any other solutions for > micing or sound reinforcement ideas for your looping. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 12 14:46:21 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2323A3BF63; Sat, 12 May 2007 14:46:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: AW: microphone: a professional percussionist replies Date: Sat, 12 May 2007 16:46:33 +0200 Organization: Moinlabs Message-ID: <000001c794a4$55f8bae0$1001a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <086801c7949b$d800a0b0$2cb0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Thread-Index: AceUm9lO9o66QcgATNCiH9wjHbaEJwACGU2g X-RZG-AUTH: lUESeo99iNzPL8kuBgLYdKEqUywq9cxqeRA+BtFcSCD5deQ7OINKr1AC1w== X-RZG-CLASS-ID: mo07 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70144 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 12 May 2007 14:46:21 +0000 (UTC) > Actually, this leads me to another question. Which mic in the > $100-200 price range has the flattest frequency response? Is Behringer ECM8000. > I know this is probably a loaded question, because flat It is, though for different reasons than you may think. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 12 15:21:26 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 78C573BF62; Sat, 12 May 2007 15:21:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <088401c794a9$32f417b0$2cb0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <000101c7948c$392cfb50$1001a8c0@succubus> Subject: Re: microphone Date: Sat, 12 May 2007 09:21:22 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0881_01C79476.E7FF79C0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70145 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 12 May 2007 15:21:26 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0881_01C79476.E7FF79C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ----- Original Message -----=20 > The funny thing is, while the SM58 is your run-of-the mill stage vocal > microphone (which might be used on other things as well in times of = need), > the SM57 still seems to be one of the standard choices for guitar amps = and > snare drums, and in this realm is also found in recording studios next = to > the Brauners and Neumanns. that's true, yet I still see A LOT of SM57s on stage as backup vocal = mics. =20 =20 > There are a few things you might try for fun with SM57s, like miking = an > entire drum kit with four of them. You get a very punchy sound which = saves > you the compressor, the EQ and even works well on small playback = systems > without proper low-end reproduction. That's close to what I did at the Boise Experimental Music Festival. The = drum recording of Robert Sterling on drums with the Transhumans....just = two overhead SM57s. Joe and Lucio's guitar recording...two SM57s on the = speakers of their amps (one a Roland Microcube). My voice on both the = set with Lumper-Splitter and Robert Sterling...SM57. The recording of = Moe! and Z'EV....just one SM57 used as an ambient mic. The free jazz = recording that no one has heard yet of Tom Baker and Tom Baker (gutiar) = & Jesse Canterbury (clarinet)....two SM57. The reocrding you haven't = heard of Rob Price and David Grollman from NY...SM57s on the drums and = one on the guitar amp. Shall I say more? And the records are actually = quite good for live recordings. It's tough to knock the SM57. If someone has a problem with the = frequency response, you just punch the lacking frequenies or notch the = offending frequencies, but I rarely have to do this.=20 Kris ------=_NextPart_000_0881_01C79476.E7FF79C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
----- Original Message ----- =
> The funny thing is, while the SM58 = is your=20 run-of-the mill stage vocal
> microphone (which might be used on = other=20 things as well in times of need),
> the SM57 still seems to be one = of the=20 standard choices for guitar amps and
> snare drums, and in this = realm is=20 also found in recording studios next to
> the Brauners and=20 Neumanns.
 
that's true, yet I still see A LOT = of SM57s on=20 stage as backup vocal mics. 
 
> There are a few things = you might try=20 for fun with SM57s, like miking an
> entire drum kit with four of = them.=20 You get a very punchy sound which saves
> you the compressor, the = EQ and=20 even works well on small playback systems
> without proper low-end = reproduction.
That's close to what I did at = the Boise=20 Experimental Music Festival. The drum recording of Robert Sterling on = drums with=20 the Transhumans....just two overhead SM57s. Joe and Lucio's guitar=20 recording...two SM57s on the speakers of their amps (one a Roland = Microcube). My=20 voice on both the set with Lumper-Splitter and Robert = Sterling...SM57.  The=20 recording of Moe! and Z'EV....just one SM57 used as an ambient = mic. The=20 free jazz recording that no one has heard yet of Tom Baker and Tom Baker = (gutiar) & Jesse Canterbury (clarinet)....two SM57.  The = reocrding you=20 haven't heard of Rob Price and David Grollman from NY...SM57s on the = drums and=20 one on the guitar amp.  Shall I say more? And the records are = actually=20 quite good for live recordings.
 
It's tough to knock the SM57. If = someone has a=20 problem with the frequency response, you just punch the lacking = frequenies or=20 notch the offending frequencies, but I rarely have to do this. =
 
Kris
------=_NextPart_000_0881_01C79476.E7FF79C0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 12 16:30:40 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2E5993BF6D; Sat, 12 May 2007 16:30:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Qua Veda" To: Subject: RE: microphones - headset mics? Date: Sat, 12 May 2007 09:30:38 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 In-Reply-To: <086801c7949b$d800a0b0$2cb0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Thread-Index: AceUnIm8TfjSGdsOQlqgKS5sPCx4QAAEqFFw Message-Id: <200705120935656.SM05040@quahome> X-RBL-Warning: REVDNS: This E-mail was sent from a MUA/MTA 206.212.233.27 with no reverse DNS entry. X-Declude-Sender: qua@oregon.com [206.212.233.27] X-Declude-Spoolname: Decbe03f10000f2d8.smd X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude JunkMail (www.declude.com) for spam. Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70146 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 12 May 2007 16:30:40 +0000 (UTC) To summarize the recommendations from this thread, top contenders include: SM57 $100 http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/SM57 Shure Beta 57a $140 http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/Beta57C1000s, AKG C1000s $220 http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/C1000S/ Beyer M201, $260 http://www.fullcompass.com/product/299052.html?gclid=CLbe-b2DiYwCFRe0hgodFCD R5Q Sennheiser MD 421 $350 http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/MD421/ What about headset mics? Like the Shure WH30xlr $150 http://www.shure.com/ProAudio/Products/WirelessMicrophones/us_pro_WH30XLR_co ntent -Qua From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 12 16:38:54 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DFFDC3BF79; Sat, 12 May 2007 16:38:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <08ae01c794b4$05dd1eb0$2cb0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <200705120935656.SM05040@quahome> Subject: Re: microphones - headset mics? Date: Sat, 12 May 2007 10:38:50 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70147 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 12 May 2007 16:38:54 +0000 (UTC) Cool. I'm definitely interested in headsets, for my new experimental vocal looping stuff. I'll follow the lead on this one. Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Qua Veda" To: Sent: Saturday, May 12, 2007 10:30 AM Subject: RE: microphones - headset mics? > To summarize the recommendations from this thread, top contenders include: > SM57 $100 http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/SM57 > Shure Beta 57a $140 http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/Beta57C1000s, > AKG C1000s $220 http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/C1000S/ > Beyer M201, $260 > http://www.fullcompass.com/product/299052.html?gclid=CLbe-b2DiYwCFRe0hgodFCD > R5Q > Sennheiser MD 421 $350 http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/MD421/ > > What about headset mics? Like the Shure WH30xlr $150 > http://www.shure.com/ProAudio/Products/WirelessMicrophones/us_pro_WH30XLR_co > ntent > > > -Qua > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 12 17:30:57 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id ECB7A3BF64; Sat, 12 May 2007 17:30:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4645F4B4.8070303@blueyonder.co.uk> Date: Sat, 12 May 2007 18:09:08 +0100 From: lifeisgood User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.10 (Windows/20070221) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: microphones - headset mics? References: <200705120935656.SM05040@quahome> <08ae01c794b4$05dd1eb0$2cb0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> In-Reply-To: <08ae01c794b4$05dd1eb0$2cb0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------060106060107040409060604" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70148 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 12 May 2007 17:30:56 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------060106060107040409060604 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I probably should have mentioned that I will be looping mostly acoustic instruments, strings, wind, found objects and percussion will be the loudest thing. If I use a guitar amp that wont need micing up, unless in-house. Its quite confusing, some people just say the bog-standard sm57 over everything, including the beta57. Wouldnt a condenser mic be better overall? It would need to be good for vocals as well though. My budget is around £100 for something off ebay. Krispen Hartung wrote: > Cool. I'm definitely interested in headsets, for my new experimental > vocal looping stuff. I'll follow the lead on this one. > > Kris > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Qua Veda" > To: > Sent: Saturday, May 12, 2007 10:30 AM > Subject: RE: microphones - headset mics? > > >> To summarize the recommendations from this thread, top contenders >> include: >> SM57 $100 http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/SM57 >> Shure Beta 57a $140 http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/Beta57C1000s, >> AKG C1000s $220 http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/C1000S/ >> Beyer M201, $260 >> http://www.fullcompass.com/product/299052.html?gclid=CLbe-b2DiYwCFRe0hgodFCD >> >> R5Q >> Sennheiser MD 421 $350 http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/MD421/ >> >> What about headset mics? Like the Shure WH30xlr $150 >> http://www.shure.com/ProAudio/Products/WirelessMicrophones/us_pro_WH30XLR_co >> >> ntent >> >> >> -Qua >> >> > > > > --------------060106060107040409060604 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I probably should have mentioned that I will be looping mostly acoustic instruments, strings, wind, found objects and percussion will be the loudest thing. If I use a guitar amp that wont need micing up, unless in-house.
Its quite confusing, some people just say the bog-standard sm57 over everything, including the beta57.
Wouldnt a condenser mic be better overall? It would need to be good for vocals as well though. My budget is around £100 for something off ebay.

Krispen Hartung wrote:
Cool. I'm definitely interested in headsets, for my new experimental vocal looping stuff.  I'll follow the lead on this one.

Kris

----- Original Message ----- From: "Qua Veda" <qua@oregon.com>
To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
Sent: Saturday, May 12, 2007 10:30 AM
Subject: RE: microphones - headset mics?


To summarize the recommendations from this thread, top contenders include:
SM57  $100 http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/SM57
Shure Beta 57a $140 http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/Beta57C1000s,
AKG C1000s  $220 http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/C1000S/
Beyer M201, $260
http://www.fullcompass.com/product/299052.html?gclid=CLbe-b2DiYwCFRe0hgodFCD
R5Q
Sennheiser MD 421 $350 http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/MD421/

What about headset mics?  Like the Shure WH30xlr $150
http://www.shure.com/ProAudio/Products/WirelessMicrophones/us_pro_WH30XLR_co
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--------------060106060107040409060604-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 12 18:12:37 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 84FD93BF73; Sat, 12 May 2007 18:12:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Ao8CAMagRUbUSnIMk2dsb2JhbACQAAEBBwgGDB+eDw Message-ID: <46460396.3060201@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Sat, 12 May 2007 19:12:38 +0100 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: AW: microphone: a professional percussionist replies References: <000001c794a4$55f8bae0$1001a8c0@succubus> In-Reply-To: <000001c794a4$55f8bae0$1001a8c0@succubus> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70149 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 12 May 2007 18:12:37 +0000 (UTC) Ah, I know that's wrong :-) It's $64.99 rrp, so well outside Kris's price range. It's an incredibly good mic for the price, but omni-directional so not so hot on feedback rejection. A pair of these were used by "feedback saxophonist" Graham Halliwell to good effect. ( that's right, he plays the feedback by bringing the mouth of the sax up the mic) I'd be looking at small capsule condensers if I was desperate to find andy Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill wrote: >> Actually, this leads me to another question. Which mic in the >> $100-200 price range has the flattest frequency response? Is > > Behringer ECM8000. > >> I know this is probably a loaded question, because flat > > It is, though for different reasons than you may think. > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 12 18:17:06 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7BC143BF6F; Sat, 12 May 2007 18:17:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=nXpyxFuPa5TnVA6N6B8dcigZ2bb54VHD2or+zWO6zkXH0GCAEcZm2jbmNDifFE8l5nkomoJ0jJZQVMt0vAoEmeKK3xkychPz9ZjxIvOci1XtRkHHqOsiCrKzgtSEvJcOqD82wxF+4I34FuB7a3/CX9Bt9sbHXbKQ25YzwtMVtRA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=MuQaMSl6IcFYymqoA5rA17lBcgDrSjQTRwbngriaTDbGFz3ACLji0NL3IC8WFBiaTFb2FE2VJuijR2vixJJJGz14ttZDjk1vmKGN9i9CNTsi8ZztiY+/XsY8JAti9neIA1KvhkP1cwCBT1C2c4FBnJUTjJfMITwKga6pd6xAoIg= Message-ID: Date: Sat, 12 May 2007 11:17:04 -0700 From: "Doug Wellington" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: microphones - headset mics? In-Reply-To: <4645F4B4.8070303@blueyonder.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <200705120935656.SM05040@quahome> <08ae01c794b4$05dd1eb0$2cb0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <4645F4B4.8070303@blueyonder.co.uk> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70150 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 12 May 2007 18:17:06 +0000 (UTC) If you want to mic wind, string, percussion and found sounds, I'd suggest checking out the Marshall MXL 603S small diaphragm condenser. I have a table of percussion toys for live performance, and I just mount two of the 603S mics in an "x" pattern above the table... http://www.mxlmics.com/condenser_mic/mxl603s/mxl603s.htm Back in the studio, it's hard to beat the MXL V69, and I've even used it live for vocals at acoustic gigs. (It's pretty sensitive and picks up other instruments and audience sounds, which was a good thing for the last gig I recorded...) http://www.mxlmics.com/condenser_mic/mxlv69mogami/mxlv69.htm Doug From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 12 18:59:45 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D8B8D3BF7B; Sat, 12 May 2007 18:59:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <4645F4B4.8070303@blueyonder.co.uk> References: <200705120935656.SM05040@quahome> <08ae01c794b4$05dd1eb0$2cb0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <4645F4B4.8070303@blueyonder.co.uk> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-2-973197645 Message-Id: From: Richard Sales Subject: Re: microphones - headset mics? Date: Sat, 12 May 2007 11:59:36 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70151 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 12 May 2007 18:59:45 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-2-973197645 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed You know, I don't think I'd buy a mic off Ebay. Mic's are very fragile=20= and are so easily ruined. Well, not SM 57s. They can double as ball=20 peen hammers when needed. Good workhorse mic's, though. But I think=20 I'd go to a store that has a ton of mic's and try them out. There are=20= some very affordable new mic's from China that are pretty amazing. And=20= if you're moving around a headset might be the ticket. Never used one=20= myself because of the Buck Rogers effect but they make really great=20 sense. SOME stores will let you pick a few and take them home. You might have=20= to PAY for all of them but get a refund on the rejects after you've=20 taken them home and tried them. I did that with some of my higher=20 ticket mic's and it's a cool way to do it because in the store it's so=20= hard to tell really. There's a CD from 3D Audio I think it is where they've carefully=20 recorded material with most of the different mic's (same placement,=20 instrument, vox etc) and you can hear for yourself which works best. =20= Haven't heard the CD myself, but I've heard from golden eared studio=20 folks that it's incredibly useful. And (I've heard) some of the=20 cheaper mic's stand up VERY WELL to mic's costing thirty times as much.=20= You can find 3D Audio online I believe. If you can't and want to, let=20= me know and I'll suss it out. A great mic pre will help any mic sound great. The Chameleon is really=20= sweet and not too god awful expensive. Like a Neve. Around $600 USD. =20= I got mine from Pacific Pro Audio in Seattle, Washington. Sweet EQ=20 too! Talk to Brian Cornfield if you call or email and tell him I sent=20 ya. He's a good and honest guy. It makes a WORLD of difference on any=20= mic from 100-10,000 dollars. Really. I don't know how the Chameleon will hold up if you're taking it to=20 gigs, though. Ask Brain if you talk to him. It doesn't have tubes=20 which makes it a little less susceptible to gig carnage. Happy hunting richard sales glassWing farm and studio vancouver island, b.c. 800.545.6846 250.752.4816 www.glassWing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com On 12-May-07, at 10:09 AM, lifeisgood wrote: > I probably should have mentioned that I will be looping mostly=20 > acoustic instruments, strings, wind, found objects and percussion will=20= > be the loudest thing. If I use a guitar amp that wont need micing up,=20= > unless in-house. > Its quite confusing, some people just say the bog-standard sm57 over=20= > everything, including the beta57. > Wouldnt a condenser mic be better overall? It would need to be good=20= > for vocals as well though. My budget is around =A3100 for something = off=20 > ebay. > --Apple-Mail-2-973197645 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=ISO-8859-1 You know, I don't think I'd buy a mic off Ebay. Mic's are very fragile and are so easily ruined. Well, not SM 57s. They can double as ball peen hammers when needed. Good workhorse mic's, though. But I think I'd go to a store that has a ton of mic's and try them out.=20 There are some very affordable new mic's from China that are pretty amazing. And if you're moving around a headset might be the ticket.=20 Never used one myself because of the Buck Rogers effect but they make really great sense. =20 SOME stores will let you pick a few and take them home. You might have to PAY for all of them but get a refund on the rejects after you've taken them home and tried them. I did that with some of my higher ticket mic's and it's a cool way to do it because in the store it's so hard to tell really. =20 There's a CD from 3D Audio I think it is where they've carefully recorded material with most of the different mic's (same placement, instrument, vox etc) and you can hear for yourself which works best.=20 Haven't heard the CD myself, but I've heard from golden eared studio folks that it's incredibly useful. And (I've heard) some of the cheaper mic's stand up VERY WELL to mic's costing thirty times as much. You can find 3D Audio online I believe. If you can't and want to, let me know and I'll suss it out.=20 A great mic pre will help any mic sound great. The Chameleon is really sweet and not too god awful expensive. Like a Neve. Around $600 USD. I got mine from Pacific Pro Audio in Seattle, Washington.=20 Sweet EQ too! Talk to Brian Cornfield if you call or email and tell him I sent ya. He's a good and honest guy. It makes a WORLD of difference on any mic from 100-10,000 dollars. Really.=20 I don't know how the Chameleon will hold up if you're taking it to gigs, though. Ask Brain if you talk to him. It doesn't have tubes which makes it a little less susceptible to gig carnage. Happy hunting Gadgetrichard sales 7373,7F7F,C5C5glassWing farm and studio vancouver island, b.c. 800.545.6846 250.752.4816C3C3,9696,1C1C www.glassWing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com On 12-May-07, at 10:09 AM, lifeisgood wrote: I probably should have mentioned that I will be looping mostly acoustic instruments, strings, wind, found objects and percussion will be the loudest thing. If I use a guitar amp that wont need micing up, unless in-house. Its quite confusing, some people just say the bog-standard sm57 over everything, including the beta57. Wouldnt a condenser mic be better overall? It would need to be good for vocals as well though. My budget is around =A3100 for something off ebay. = --Apple-Mail-2-973197645-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 12 19:28:01 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 594EF3BF73; Sat, 12 May 2007 19:28:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Scanned: with antispam and antivirus automated system at libero.it From: "Luigi Meloni" To: Subject: RE: microphones - headset mics? Date: Sat, 12 May 2007 21:28:13 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0038_01C794DC.72751460" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Thread-Index: AceUx7bSRBpKPrLtQWGmaTwOAzkCeQAAkf/A Message-Id: <20070512192759.762593BF71@arsenic.violacea.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70152 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 12 May 2007 19:28:01 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0038_01C794DC.72751460 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In the recording studios I work in I have tried many mics (dynamics and = condensers), and I have started to use mainly a shure sm 56 on congas = and bongos, reinforced with some condensers to add some room (sm 86 and = AKG C1000s). The other day I had to mic some percussions for a concert = in a theatre and I have tried a couple of mics that I found around, = since I had some time to prepare the sounds, had some channels free on = the mixer, and I already had stick the sm56 on the congas, and I have = found them to be good sounding and didn=E2=80=99t have any problem with = feedback (strange with condenser, but since they are very small capsule = and cardioid, and were far from the monitoring=E2=80=A6). These are the = behringer C-2 mic set (70=E2=82=AC for 2 condenser mics with wind = filters and a mounting kit). I think you should give them a try. As far = as the dynamic ones, another choice can be shure pg56, very cheap and = sound really similar to the sm56s. =20 Peace Luigi =20 =20 =20 _____ =20 From: Richard Sales [mailto:richard@glasswing.com]=20 Sent: sabato 12 maggio 2007 21.00 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: microphones - headset mics? =20 You know, I don't think I'd buy a mic off Ebay. Mic's are very fragile = and are so easily ruined. Well, not SM 57s. They can double as ball peen = hammers when needed. Good workhorse mic's, though. But I think I'd go to = a store that has a ton of mic's and try them out. There are some very = affordable new mic's from China that are pretty amazing. And if you're = moving around a headset might be the ticket. Never used one myself = because of the Buck Rogers effect but they make really great sense.=20 SOME stores will let you pick a few and take them home. You might have = to PAY for all of them but get a refund on the rejects after you've = taken them home and tried them. I did that with some of my higher ticket = mic's and it's a cool way to do it because in the store it's so hard to = tell really.=20 There's a CD from 3D Audio I think it is where they've carefully = recorded material with most of the different mic's (same placement, = instrument, vox etc) and you can hear for yourself which works best. = Haven't heard the CD myself, but I've heard from golden eared studio = folks that it's incredibly useful. And (I've heard) some of the cheaper = mic's stand up VERY WELL to mic's costing thirty times as much. You can = find 3D Audio online I believe. If you can't and want to, let me know = and I'll suss it out.=20 A great mic pre will help any mic sound great. The Chameleon is really = sweet and not too god awful expensive. Like a Neve. Around $600 USD. I = got mine from Pacific Pro Audio in Seattle, Washington. Sweet EQ too! = Talk to Brian Cornfield if you call or email and tell him I sent ya. = He's a good and honest guy. It makes a WORLD of difference on any mic = from 100-10,000 dollars. Really.=20 I don't know how the Chameleon will hold up if you're taking it to gigs, = though. Ask Brain if you talk to him. It doesn't have tubes which makes = it a little less susceptible to gig carnage. Happy hunting richard sales glassWing farm and studio vancouver island, b.c. 800.545.6846 250.752.4816 www.glassWing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com On 12-May-07, at 10:09 AM, lifeisgood wrote: I probably should have mentioned that I will be looping mostly acoustic = instruments, strings, wind, found objects and percussion will be the = loudest thing. If I use a guitar amp that wont need micing up, unless = in-house. Its quite confusing, some people just say the bog-standard sm57 over = everything, including the beta57. Wouldnt a condenser mic be better overall? It would need to be good for = vocals as well though. My budget is around =C2=A3100 for something off = ebay. ------=_NextPart_000_0038_01C794DC.72751460 Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

In the recording = studios I work in I have tried many mics (dynamics and condensers), and I have = started to use mainly a shure sm 56 on congas and bongos, reinforced with some condensers to add some room (sm 86 and AKG C1000s). The other day I had = to mic some percussions for a concert in a theatre and I have tried a couple of = mics that I found around, since I had some time to prepare the sounds, had = some channels free on the mixer, and I already had stick the sm56 on the = congas, and I have found them to be good sounding and didn=E2=80=99t have any = problem with feedback (strange with condenser, but since they are very small capsule = and cardioid, and were far from the monitoring=E2=80=A6). These are the = behringer C-2 mic set (70=E2=82=AC for 2 condenser mics with wind filters and a = mounting kit). I think you should give them a try. As far as the dynamic ones, another = choice can be shure pg56, very cheap and sound really similar to the = sm56s.

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From: Richard Sales [mailto:richard@glasswing.com]
Sent: sabato 12 maggio = 2007 21.00
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Re: microphones = - headset mics?

 

You know, I = don't think I'd buy a mic off Ebay. Mic's are very fragile and are so easily ruined. = Well, not SM 57s. They can double as ball peen hammers when needed. Good = workhorse mic's, though. But I think I'd go to a store that has a ton of mic's and = try them out. There are some very affordable new mic's from China that are = pretty amazing. And if you're moving around a headset might be the ticket. = Never used one myself because of the Buck Rogers effect but they make really great = sense.

SOME stores will let you pick a few and take them home. You might have = to PAY for all of them but get a refund on the rejects after you've taken them = home and tried them. I did that with some of my higher ticket mic's and it's = a cool way to do it because in the store it's so hard to tell really.

There's a CD from 3D Audio I think it is where they've carefully = recorded material with most of the different mic's (same placement, instrument, = vox etc) and you can hear for yourself which works best. Haven't heard the CD = myself, but I've heard from golden eared studio folks that it's incredibly = useful. And (I've heard) some of the cheaper mic's stand up VERY WELL to mic's = costing thirty times as much. You can find 3D Audio online I believe. If you = can't and want to, let me know and I'll suss it out.

A great mic pre will help any mic sound great. The Chameleon is really = sweet and not too god awful expensive. Like a Neve. Around $600 USD. I got = mine from Pacific Pro Audio in Seattle, Washington. Sweet EQ too! Talk to Brian = Cornfield if you call or email and tell him I sent ya. He's a good and honest guy. = It makes a WORLD of difference on any mic from 100-10,000 dollars. Really. =

I don't know how the Chameleon will hold up if you're taking it to gigs, though. Ask Brain if you talk to him. It doesn't have tubes which makes = it a little less susceptible to gig carnage.

Happy hunting

richard sales
glassWing farm and studio
vancouver island, b.c.
800.545.6846
250.752.4816
www.glassWing.com
www.richardsales.com
www.hayleysales.com
www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com
On 12-May-07, at 10:09 AM, lifeisgood = wrote:

I probably = should have mentioned that I will be looping mostly acoustic instruments, strings, = wind, found objects and percussion will be the loudest thing. If I use a = guitar amp that wont need micing up, unless in-house.
Its quite confusing, some people just say the bog-standard sm57 over everything, including the beta57.
Wouldnt a condenser mic be better overall? It would need to be good for = vocals as well though. My budget is around =C2=A3100 for something off = ebay.

------=_NextPart_000_0038_01C794DC.72751460-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 12 19:32:20 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9DF903BF7C; Sat, 12 May 2007 19:32:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=bhK0IIPBpn6r6q/XHHiSrsO31jtdf0QZjJjHBkEdyZ3fjcc0SKrfelGt7jUHaQCE2IZBDF+cZbHMJunOx4ByJJ8ujPDvcqQWi1Tw4RGwn9vidXc7jJwYpsTKrGG+s8/bE6W/AAMBsTe92Oef3CFy+bHmU768kxblFmGDaA02TYo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=cQqXHhLqNLHd05PiJrsNMCO0nWc0C/OTy+9h2N4rG634yp53ytrpCgPWSLiEc/3fIBnLKxRIgCyb2qrKlMFW8wwosU2h0g3f8BK/yThbddCtnewD7k0W4BqPv1ycKXAQFfGcc59z4PR5r3OH5sVAtyzhXJ7gmmXyp6LHcQgzBLM= Message-ID: Date: Sat, 12 May 2007 21:32:19 +0200 From: "Raul Bonell" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: AW: microphone: a professional percussionist replies In-Reply-To: <46460396.3060201@tiscali.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <000001c794a4$55f8bae0$1001a8c0@succubus> <46460396.3060201@tiscali.co.uk> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70153 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 12 May 2007 19:32:20 +0000 (UTC) Has anybody tried the Senheiser E606. Is it comparable to the SM57? Good price, similar to the Shure. Cheers, Ra=FCl. 2007/5/12, andy butler : > Ah, > > I know that's wrong :-) > > It's $64.99 rrp, so well outside Kris's price range. > > It's an incredibly good mic for the price, > but omni-directional so not so hot on feedback rejection. > > > > A pair of these were used by "feedback saxophonist" Graham Halliwell to g= ood effect. > ( that's right, he plays the feedback by bringing the mouth of the sax up= the mic) > > I'd be looking at small capsule condensers if I was desperate to find > > andy > > Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill wrote: > >> Actually, this leads me to another question. Which mic in the > >> $100-200 price range has the flattest frequency response? Is > > > > Behringer ECM8000. > > > >> I know this is probably a loaded question, because flat > > > > It is, though for different reasons than you may think. > > > > > > --=20 The Playing Orchestra: http://www.telefonica.net/web2/tpo Chain Tape Collective: http://www.ct-collective.com TPO at myspace: http://www.myspace.com/theplayingorchestra From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 12 20:46:45 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 37B933BF7D; Sat, 12 May 2007 20:46:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com In-Reply-To: <086801c7949b$d800a0b0$2cb0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> References: <011e01c79488$8b0ebb10$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> <086801c7949b$d800a0b0$2cb0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Ronan Chris Murphy Subject: Re: microphone: a professional percussionist replies Date: Sat, 12 May 2007 13:46:39 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70154 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 12 May 2007 20:46:45 +0000 (UTC) One more vote for the mighty SM57. To me it is one of the greatest pieces of recording / Sound reinforcement gear ever made. Extremely durable and flexible and almost always works good to great. I find many instances where, in critical studio shoot outs, that it will beat out mics costing over 20 times a much, even on lead vocals, acoustic guitars, violins.... I was using one on upright bass last week. > Actually, this leads me to another question. Which mic in the > $100-200 price range has the flattest frequency response? Is that > what we are after for a general purpose mic that can be used for > voice, instruments, close mic, overhead, ambient, etc? What is the > swiss army knive of mics? > I know this is probably a loaded question, because flat frequency > response is sometimes the first thing to be sacrificed in cheaper > gear, but I'm curious...all based on published specs (not frequency > ranges, but real frequency responses with +/- figures). It > irritates me when the low end manufactures publish a frequency > range and call it a frequency response. It's misleading. There are not a lot situations where flat frequency response is an end goal in microphones. The venerated Neuman U47, or AKG C12 are very far from flat. As a matter of fact most of the mics I (and most other engineers) use in the studio are far from flat. Most people prefer "musical" or "flattering" over flat. Also keep in mind that some of the "flattest" mics tend to be omni-directional, making them a bit of a nightmare for a live situation. There are tons of mics I own and love, but the two affordable "swiss army knife" mics are both by Shure. The SM57 and the KSM32. Both stunning mics even if they were ten times the price. I could easily record entire albums with just those two mics. Be careful about jumping into ultra low cost condensers. There are very few of them I have found to be usable, especially when you need to EQ them or layer them up (the MXL V67 and V69 are the only super low cost condenser, I have found to be of high enough quality to get used on my productions) Ronan Chris Murphy www.venetowest.com (Production & mixing: King Crimson, Chucho Valdes, Steve Morse, Terry Bozzio, Nels Cline, CGT...) www.homerecordingbootcamp.com (Workshops around the world teaching the art and craft of recording ) www.livesofthesaints.net (The hottest ambient noise duo since Sonny & Cher) > > Any suggestions? > > Kris > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "RICK WALKER" > To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" > Sent: Saturday, May 12, 2007 5:27 AM > Subject: microphone: a professional percussionist replies > > >> The Shure SM-57 is a very good and dependable microphone. >> >> That being said and done (and all respect to Kris Hartung), it >> has a very uneven >> frequency reponse and has quite a pronounced 'proximity' effect >> (high roll on of bass frequencies) >> and a boost in the midranges that make it particularly >> advantageous for micing two really specific >> instruments: a very loud electric guitar cabinet and a snare >> drum. All of this is because it really >> can handle high SPLs (sound pressure levels) without feeding back >> under normal live monitoring cirumstances. >> >> >> A great microphone. >> >> Compared to a high quality condenser microhone or even the vastly >> improved Shure Beta SM 57, however and >> it is a fairly mediocre microphone for things like some human >> voice and percussion (or found sound). >> >> The trouble with condenser microphones is that they have a fairly >> omni directional pickup pattern which makes them >> highly susceptibale (sp?) to feedback under normal monitoring >> situations. >> >> One condenser microphone in particular, the AKG C1000S, has a >> special plastic 'focuser' that, when placed over the >> microphones element, narrows the pickup pattern to a very, very >> narrow cartoid pattern. >> >> This incredible focus of directionality of the microphone >> (something that makes the SM57 really good and the BETA SM57 >> fantastic) >> means that there is a lot less feedback potential in live situations. >> >> I used my brother's borrowed BETA SM57s a lot until I did a gig at >> the legendary Freight and Salvage Company performance venue in >> Berkeley, California with legendary finger styled/altered tuning >> guitarist Martin Simpson. >> >> I had a very difficult 'found sound' percussion instrument that I >> helped to innovate, called the Liquid Glass Ghatam. >> Fashioned out of a large four sided, clear glass flower vase >> filled with water (for pitch manipulation) it was a very difficult >> instrument to mic, let alone to loop live. >> >> It sounded like god in at this venue...................so much so >> that I sprung for two AKG C1000S in the next couple of months as I >> could afford them. >> >> >> >> This microphone is still problamatic when it comes to high SPLs >> with typical front monitoring live solutions so I eventually went >> to a rather cheap >> but elegant solution of using a Radio Shack Wirless Headpone >> system (run, directly off of my live mixing board). >> >> It really helps if you have multiple tracks to loop on, so that >> there is no grave danger of monitor leakage when you are recording >> new and multiple tracks. With the wireless headphones, this >> becomes a very high quality listening experience that I highly >> recommend (and trust me, I tried EVERY >> micing solution to make my frame drums and unusual percussion >> instruments sound really good , live). >> >> If you have typical monitoring solutions (normal stage monitors in >> front and underneath you), then I highly recommend that you use >> a BETA 57 (which I think is highly superior to the wonderful >> normal SM 57). >> >> One thing you can do to make it sound a little more pristine is to >> boost your treble or upper midranges by +3db on the returns of >> whatever looping >> solution you use. Even hard to mic Indian tablas sound good >> with this approach. >> >> Best of luck. Email me off list if you have any other solutions >> for micing or sound reinforcement ideas for your looping. > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 12 20:59:18 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F0A9B3BF83; Sat, 12 May 2007 20:59:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Sat, 12 May 2007 16:59:17 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: paul Subject: Re: microphone In-Reply-To: <088401c794a9$32f417b0$2cb0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> References: <000101c7948c$392cfb50$1001a8c0@succubus> <088401c794a9$32f417b0$2cb0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Message-Id: <20070512205915.66F613BF79@arsenic.violacea.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70155 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 12 May 2007 20:59:17 +0000 (UTC) Over the past 4 years running sound for a small concert series, I've been using the sm57s less and less and using the electovoice n/d 408. I've found it to be very good on acoustic instruments, and waaaaay better on my hammered dulcimer. The sm 57 tended to accentuate certain harmonics on the dulcimer that made eq-ing it almost impossible. There's an article in Fingerpick about amplifying acoustic guitars and they prefer the electrovoice and a fair number of engineers I know like them real well. Check out http://www.fingerpick.com/pickups.htm the microphone reviews are near the bottom of the page my 2 cents worth Paul Haslem www.dulcify.ca Ontario, Canada From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 12 21:26:02 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DB0103BF7B; Sat, 12 May 2007 21:26:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <08f201c794dc$222255e0$2cb0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <011e01c79488$8b0ebb10$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> <086801c7949b$d800a0b0$2cb0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Subject: Re: microphone: a professional percussionist replies Date: Sat, 12 May 2007 15:25:57 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70156 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 12 May 2007 21:26:02 +0000 (UTC) That's good to hear. If I recall correctly, you are a recording engineer, correct? And you have some experience with some major artists I thought. I didn't think it was just a freak accident that I see the SM57 in studios and on stages more than any other mic. When all else fails, someone will pull out an old SM57 to do the trick.....the rest is good EQ and mixing. Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ronan Chris Murphy" To: Sent: Saturday, May 12, 2007 2:46 PM Subject: Re: microphone: a professional percussionist replies > One more vote for the mighty SM57. To me it is one of the greatest pieces > of recording / Sound reinforcement gear ever made. Extremely durable and > flexible and almost always works good to great. I find many instances > where, in critical studio shoot outs, that it will beat out mics costing > over 20 times a much, even on lead vocals, acoustic guitars, violins.... > I was using one on upright bass last week. > > >> Actually, this leads me to another question. Which mic in the $100-200 >> price range has the flattest frequency response? Is that what we are >> after for a general purpose mic that can be used for voice, instruments, >> close mic, overhead, ambient, etc? What is the swiss army knive of >> mics? >> I know this is probably a loaded question, because flat frequency >> response is sometimes the first thing to be sacrificed in cheaper gear, >> but I'm curious...all based on published specs (not frequency ranges, >> but real frequency responses with +/- figures). It irritates me when the >> low end manufactures publish a frequency range and call it a frequency >> response. It's misleading. > > There are not a lot situations where flat frequency response is an end > goal in microphones. The venerated Neuman U47, or AKG C12 are very far > from flat. As a matter of fact most of the mics I (and most other > engineers) use in the studio are far from flat. Most people prefer > "musical" or "flattering" over flat. Also keep in mind that some of the > "flattest" mics tend to be omni-directional, making them a bit of a > nightmare for a live situation. > > There are tons of mics I own and love, but the two affordable "swiss army > knife" mics are both by Shure. The SM57 and the KSM32. Both stunning > mics even if they were ten times the price. I could easily record entire > albums with just those two mics. Be careful about jumping into ultra low > cost condensers. There are very few of them I have found to be usable, > especially when you need to EQ them or layer them up (the MXL V67 and V69 > are the only super low cost condenser, I have found to be of high enough > quality to get used on my productions) > > > Ronan Chris Murphy > www.venetowest.com (Production & mixing: King Crimson, Chucho Valdes, > Steve Morse, Terry Bozzio, Nels Cline, CGT...) > www.homerecordingbootcamp.com (Workshops around the world teaching the > art and craft of recording ) > www.livesofthesaints.net (The hottest ambient noise duo since Sonny & > Cher) > > > > > >> >> Any suggestions? >> >> Kris >> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "RICK WALKER" >> To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" >> Sent: Saturday, May 12, 2007 5:27 AM >> Subject: microphone: a professional percussionist replies >> >> >>> The Shure SM-57 is a very good and dependable microphone. >>> >>> That being said and done (and all respect to Kris Hartung), it has a >>> very uneven >>> frequency reponse and has quite a pronounced 'proximity' effect (high >>> roll on of bass frequencies) >>> and a boost in the midranges that make it particularly advantageous for >>> micing two really specific >>> instruments: a very loud electric guitar cabinet and a snare drum. >>> All of this is because it really >>> can handle high SPLs (sound pressure levels) without feeding back under >>> normal live monitoring cirumstances. >>> >>> >>> A great microphone. >>> >>> Compared to a high quality condenser microhone or even the vastly >>> improved Shure Beta SM 57, however and >>> it is a fairly mediocre microphone for things like some human voice and >>> percussion (or found sound). >>> >>> The trouble with condenser microphones is that they have a fairly omni >>> directional pickup pattern which makes them >>> highly susceptibale (sp?) to feedback under normal monitoring >>> situations. >>> >>> One condenser microphone in particular, the AKG C1000S, has a >>> special plastic 'focuser' that, when placed over the >>> microphones element, narrows the pickup pattern to a very, very narrow >>> cartoid pattern. >>> >>> This incredible focus of directionality of the microphone (something >>> that makes the SM57 really good and the BETA SM57 fantastic) >>> means that there is a lot less feedback potential in live situations. >>> >>> I used my brother's borrowed BETA SM57s a lot until I did a gig at the >>> legendary Freight and Salvage Company performance venue in >>> Berkeley, California with legendary finger styled/altered tuning >>> guitarist Martin Simpson. >>> >>> I had a very difficult 'found sound' percussion instrument that I >>> helped to innovate, called the Liquid Glass Ghatam. >>> Fashioned out of a large four sided, clear glass flower vase filled >>> with water (for pitch manipulation) it was a very difficult >>> instrument to mic, let alone to loop live. >>> >>> It sounded like god in at this venue...................so much so that >>> I sprung for two AKG C1000S in the next couple of months as I could >>> afford them. >>> >>> >>> >>> This microphone is still problamatic when it comes to high SPLs with >>> typical front monitoring live solutions so I eventually went to a >>> rather cheap >>> but elegant solution of using a Radio Shack Wirless Headpone system >>> (run, directly off of my live mixing board). >>> >>> It really helps if you have multiple tracks to loop on, so that there >>> is no grave danger of monitor leakage when you are recording new and >>> multiple tracks. With the wireless headphones, this becomes a very >>> high quality listening experience that I highly recommend (and trust >>> me, I tried EVERY >>> micing solution to make my frame drums and unusual percussion >>> instruments sound really good , live). >>> >>> If you have typical monitoring solutions (normal stage monitors in >>> front and underneath you), then I highly recommend that you use >>> a BETA 57 (which I think is highly superior to the wonderful normal SM >>> 57). >>> >>> One thing you can do to make it sound a little more pristine is to >>> boost your treble or upper midranges by +3db on the returns of whatever >>> looping >>> solution you use. Even hard to mic Indian tablas sound good with >>> this approach. >>> >>> Best of luck. Email me off list if you have any other solutions for >>> micing or sound reinforcement ideas for your looping. >> >> >> > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 12 21:27:41 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AD5C13BF8D; Sat, 12 May 2007 21:27:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [4.246.3.10] X-Originating-Email: [sambacomet@hotmail.com] X-Sender: sambacomet@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <20070512163040.A0C0C3BF78@arsenic.violacea.com> From: "samba -" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Mics Date: Sat, 12 May 2007 14:27:35 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 May 2007 21:27:39.0919 (UTC) FILETIME=[5E4D51F0:01C794DC] Resent-Message-ID: <2n_H4C.A.OIC.NFjRGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70157 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 12 May 2007 21:27:41 +0000 (UTC) I like the Sennheiser 421. It's what I prefer for percussion. unless a supercardiod 441 is available. I don't own either-they're expensive.They had an ad in recording magazine picturing an oscilloscpope reading of 421 reading a starting pistol ( for starting races) and it just shows this big black blip. I would have expected total distortion,but it was clean as a whstle.. Sennheiser has some stage mics,clearly designed to compete with Shures that sound great. I have some experience w Neuman kms 105s ,incredible . AKG has new stage mics ,c-5 condenser and d-5,dynamic _________________________________________________________________ More photos, more messages, more storage—get 2GB with Windows Live Hotmail. http://imagine-windowslive.com/hotmail/?locale=en-us&ocid=TXT_TAGHM_migration_HM_mini_2G_0507 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 12 21:31:22 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 93DDE3BF89; Sat, 12 May 2007 21:31:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [4.246.3.10] X-Originating-Email: [sambacomet@hotmail.com] X-Sender: sambacomet@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <20070512193221.3A9043BF84@arsenic.violacea.com> From: "samba -" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: mics Date: Sat, 12 May 2007 14:31:16 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 May 2007 21:31:20.0954 (UTC) FILETIME=[E20C95A0:01C794DC] Resent-Message-ID: <_zGNOC.A.kVC.qIjRGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70158 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 12 May 2007 21:31:22 +0000 (UTC) Every so often I see AKG C1000s on sale for 300 a pair. Great deal ,and it's a really good set up for stereo micing. _________________________________________________________________ More photos, more messages, more storage—get 2GB with Windows Live Hotmail. http://imagine-windowslive.com/hotmail/?locale=en-us&ocid=TXT_TAGHM_migration_HM_mini_2G_0507 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 13 03:03:07 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6B7A53BF8B; Sun, 13 May 2007 03:03:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=HbIc4gM1IbmmIdwlXwxI/x7Z4W9L5henQgJRExcQU0nchdfS6JHRiEgouGHhEhWA4pv/b2KEpGmRUGjR2oFvHi5hKPOXotcl29gUMoCXw2Q4jE40Ux476SzwdGa4PqckXAoHCoKncgcXpk+7ej475DZiVoHvJotbIUMI8ido6/I= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=DkDHXR/KOnGI4cmaMwcihAMFPDd7XVFrv2ydzV17E/g4Z1+EyIYLGuE3uvypSB9y1KdWI58OpjHNoQvYr2bCS2ZJzn7WYBF5onAMc/5H5KLF0Skzmlwyjr2uAtIRlmcpkqTAg3TTrKI/PCsVUEMFRDKzFtMCGzebyYwmexCQsDI= Message-ID: Date: Sun, 13 May 2007 05:03:03 +0200 From: "Raul Bonell" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: mics In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <20070512193221.3A9043BF84@arsenic.violacea.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70159 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 13 May 2007 03:03:07 +0000 (UTC) I see in some net-shops that some stereo set mics are sold as a "matched pair". Does this mean that one of them comes phase inverted from factory? Thanks, Raul. 2007/5/12, samba - : > > Every so often I see AKG C1000s on sale for 300 a pair. Great deal ,and > it's a really good set up for stereo micing. > > _________________________________________________________________ > More photos, more messages, more storage=97get 2GB with Windows Live Hotm= ail. > http://imagine-windowslive.com/hotmail/?locale=3Den-us&ocid=3DTXT_TAGHM_m= igration_HM_mini_2G_0507 > > --=20 The Playing Orchestra: http://www.telefonica.net/web2/tpo Chain Tape Collective: http://www.ct-collective.com TPO at myspace: http://www.myspace.com/theplayingorchestra From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 13 04:04:13 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CCDD93BF87; Sun, 13 May 2007 04:04:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: References: <20070512193221.3A9043BF84@arsenic.violacea.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1-1005868773 Message-Id: From: Richard Sales Subject: Re: mics Date: Sat, 12 May 2007 21:04:07 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70160 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 13 May 2007 04:04:13 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-1-1005868773 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; delsp=yes; format=flowed No. It means their frequency response is matched so they sound the =20 same. And often they are adjacent serial numbers. At least this has =20= been my experience but I'm no authority. Just an end user! When mic's =20= are used the matched pair may and may not hold up like it did new. richard sales glassWing farm and studio vancouver island, b.c. 800.545.6846 250.752.4816 www.glassWing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com On 12-May-07, at 8:03 PM, Raul Bonell wrote: > I see in some net-shops that some stereo set > mics are sold as a "matched pair". > > Does this mean that one of them comes phase > inverted from factory? > > Thanks, > Raul. > > 2007/5/12, samba - : >> >> Every so often I see AKG C1000s on sale for 300 a pair. Great deal =20= >> ,and >> it's a really good set up for stereo micing. >> >> _________________________________________________________________ >> More photos, more messages, more storage=97get 2GB with Windows Live =20= >> Hotmail. >> http://imagine-windowslive.com/hotmail/?locale=3Den-=20 >> us&ocid=3DTXT_TAGHM_migration_HM_mini_2G_0507 >> >> > > > --=20 > The Playing Orchestra: http://www.telefonica.net/web2/tpo > Chain Tape Collective: http://www.ct-collective.com > TPO at myspace: http://www.myspace.com/theplayingorchestra > --Apple-Mail-1-1005868773 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=WINDOWS-1252 No. It means their frequency response is matched so they sound the same. And often they are adjacent serial numbers. At least this has been my experience but I'm no authority. Just an end user! When mic's are used the matched pair may and may not hold up like it did new. Gadgetrichard sales 7373,7F7F,C5C5glassWing farm and studio vancouver island, b.c. 800.545.6846 250.752.4816C3C3,9696,1C1C www.glassWing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com On 12-May-07, at 8:03 PM, Raul Bonell wrote: I see in some net-shops that some stereo set mics are sold as a "matched pair". Does this mean that one of them comes phase inverted from factory? Thanks, Raul. 2007/5/12, samba - <: Every so often I see AKG C1000s on sale for 300 a pair. Great deal ,and it's a really good set up for stereo micing. _________________________________________________________________ More photos, more messages, more storage=97get 2GB with Windows Live Hotmail. = http://imagine-windowslive.com/hotmail/?locale=3Den-us&ocid=3DTXT_TAGHM_mi= gration_HM_mini_2G_0507 --=20 The Playing Orchestra: http://www.telefonica.net/web2/tpo Chain Tape Collective: http://www.ct-collective.com TPO at myspace: http://www.myspace.com/theplayingorchestra = --Apple-Mail-1-1005868773-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 13 09:31:41 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4BBEE3BF88; Sun, 13 May 2007 09:31:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Ao8CAP52RkbUSnINk2dsb2JhbACQAQEBBwYIDB+cZg Message-ID: <4646DAFC.10208@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Sun, 13 May 2007 10:31:40 +0100 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: microphone: a professional percussionist replies References: <011e01c79488$8b0ebb10$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> <086801c7949b$d800a0b0$2cb0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70161 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 13 May 2007 09:31:41 +0000 (UTC) Ronan Chris Murphy wrote: > One more vote for the mighty SM57. To me it is one of the greatest > pieces of recording / Sound reinforcement gear ever made. It certainly was the "good mic" among my collection of junk shop mics for many years (or rather, the 545, which was the predecessor to the SM57). Though once I got a 421 I just stopped using it. ( and you can even use the 421 on kick drum) (was it Kris who wrote?) >> It irritates >> me when the low end manufactures publish a frequency range and call it >> a frequency response. It's misleading. The frequency plot of the SM57 shows it 10dB down at 50z. So the quoted 40-1500Hz range might be misleading. I guess the proximity effect makes up for the drop off, as I always found sufficient bottom end in that mic. Ronan again > There are not a lot situations where flat frequency response is an end > goal in microphones. The venerated Neuman U47, or AKG C12 are very far > from flat. As far as I know, the frequency deviations from flat for a studio condenser are in a whole different league to those of a cheap hand held dynamic. The flattering part of a large diaphragm condenser is a subtle presence lift. The Sm57 colors the sound considerably. It's not just the frequency response here, it's also significant that a condenser has a very even phase response, and a dynamic mic doesn't. > There are tons of mics I own and love, but the two affordable "swiss > army knife" mics are both by Shure. The SM57 and the KSM32. Both > stunning mics even if they were ten times the price. I could easily > record entire albums with just those two mics. That would be fascinating. I'm sure I've heard the "whole album with an SM57" claim before. ( I suspect that having every sound colored that much by the same mic would make very fatiguing listening) > Be careful about jumping > into ultra low cost condensers. There are very few of them I have found > to be usable, especially when you need to EQ them or layer them up (the > MXL V67 and V69 are the only super low cost condenser, I have found to > be of high enough quality to get used on my productions) Did you try any of the newer "stage condensers"? andy butler From edu@server2.abdir2.com.br Sun May 13 12:42:12 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 5248 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Sun, 13 May 2007 12:42:12 UTC Received: from server2.abdir2.com.br (abdir2.com.br [65.110.54.60]) by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 17DA33BF85 for ; Sun, 13 May 2007 12:42:11 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 16356 invoked by uid 1012); 13 May 2007 07:17:04 -0300 Date: 13 May 2007 07:17:04 -0300 To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Subject: Oggetto: Comunicazione nr. 12387 del 14 Maggio 2007 - Leggere con attenzione Message-ID: <1179051424.49372.qmail@poste.it> From: "Prodotti BancoPosta." 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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 13 13:41:35 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A14573BF8D; Sun, 13 May 2007 13:41:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <09b701c79564$6af4ba00$2cb0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <072701c79417$765132a0$2cb0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Subject: Re: Streaming Clips Now from the 2nd Annual Boise Experimental Music Festival Date: Sun, 13 May 2007 07:41:32 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_09B4_01C79532.2001A2B0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70162 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 13 May 2007 13:41:35 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_09B4_01C79532.2001A2B0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The stream is up again now... ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Krispen Hartung=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com ; = boisemusicians@yahoogroups.com=20 Sent: Friday, May 11, 2007 3:58 PM Subject: Streaming Clips Now from the 2nd Annual Boise Experimental = Music Festival I am now streaming the first set of available sound clips from the 2nd = Annual Boise Experimental Music Festival, which includes these artists: Krispen Hartung & Vincent Miresse Craig Green=20 Amy Vecchione Moe! Staiano & Z'EV Lumper-Splitter & Krispen Hartung Krispen Hartung & Robert Sterling Lumper-Splitter The Transhumans=20 Streaming link: http://krispen.serverroom.us:9030/ (click "Listen") BEMF 2 Website: http://www.boisemusicians.com/BEMF-2/ I will let the stream run and repeat until late tonight. Kris = *************************************************************************= * Krispen Hartung=20 www.krispenhartung.com / www.myspace.com/krispenhartung ------=_NextPart_000_09B4_01C79532.2001A2B0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
The stream is up again = now...
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Krispen=20 Hartung
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20 ; boisemusicians@yahoogroups= .com=20
Sent: Friday, May 11, 2007 3:58 = PM
Subject: Streaming Clips Now = from the 2nd=20 Annual Boise Experimental Music Festival

I am now streaming the first set of = available=20 sound clips from the 2nd Annual Boise Experimental Music Festival, = which=20 includes these artists:
 
Krispen Hartung & Vincent=20 Miresse
Craig Green
Amy Vecchione
Moe! = Staiano=20 & Z'EV
Lumper-Splitter & Krispen=20 Hartung
Krispen = Hartung &=20 Robert Sterling
Lumper-Splitter
The = Transhumans=20
 
Streaming link: http://krispen.serverroom.us:= 9030/ (click=20 "Listen")
BEMF 2 Website: http://www.boisemusicians.= com/BEMF-2/
 
I will let the stream run and repeat = until late=20 tonight.
 
Kris
 
 
****************************************************************= **********
Krispen=20 Hartung
www.krispenhartung.com=20 / www.myspace.com/krispenhar= tung
------=_NextPart_000_09B4_01C79532.2001A2B0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 13 14:17:29 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 71C973BF92; Sun, 13 May 2007 14:17:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <09d101c79569$6f3b7220$2cb0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <011e01c79488$8b0ebb10$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> <086801c7949b$d800a0b0$2cb0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <4646DAFC.10208@tiscali.co.uk> Subject: Re: microphone: a professional percussionist replies Date: Sun, 13 May 2007 08:17:26 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70163 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 13 May 2007 14:17:29 +0000 (UTC) ----- Original Message ----- From: "andy butler" > > (was it Kris who wrote?) >>> It irritates me when the low end manufactures publish a frequency range >>> and call it a frequency response. It's misleading. > > The frequency plot of the SM57 shows it 10dB down at 50z. > So the quoted 40-1500Hz range might be misleading. > I guess the proximity effect makes up for the drop off, as I always found > sufficient bottom end in that mic. Interesting. Did they show the 40-1500Hz as a frequency range? And then show the 10b variance as a frequency response spec separately? I suppose the right and easy thing to do is represent both in one spec, like most other high end manufacters. Did you get that from their website and spec sheet? I'll search myself. Kris From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 13 14:29:45 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 23CB03BF9D; Sun, 13 May 2007 14:29:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: AW: microphone: a professional percussionist replies Date: Sun, 13 May 2007 16:29:56 +0200 Organization: Moinlabs Message-ID: <000301c7956b$2df2e1c0$1001a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Thread-Index: AceVaXA1V9qPMjAURFebV7vFnSeB2wAAaL4g In-Reply-To: <09d101c79569$6f3b7220$2cb0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> X-RZG-AUTH: lUESeo99iNzPL8kuBgLYdKEqUywq9cxqeRA+BtFcSCD5deQ7OIWBSWovBw4= X-RZG-CLASS-ID: mo07 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70164 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 13 May 2007 14:29:45 +0000 (UTC) Shure shows frequency plots, but unfortunately none for the near field (displaying proximity effect)... Rainer > manufacters. Did you get that from their website and spec sheet? > I'll search myself. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 13 14:59:15 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0B39A3BF9B; Sun, 13 May 2007 14:59:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=HnnkFLZm1/XNv4J9vghkr+SHT7cVSkfRV9NdlG24YRAMCA6og6MfMLNoS5IogqBYf29Y8RV7KYs42jk88NhEgF80ZecE5x2t45uXxN0Zjne2Hk3CocVxfdV24IzCcjTPmpywfqVVFSa979zSHJTcPjEGmYAZ8jlHDsj3c3OWjUg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=U4AVhbB67IiTCTg8h/e3twR9pMna0svmZQzV5C6zoMSVQGdrMAiSGZKjBBlv1fiCETSL8jxPOIUDWkazXzPgbWG08Ezy9+t7+GME48PCP+4doHaHHDMvaUNscZ2XP+kkJ5X4os1R8XjgMTa2bwhJdg4VRJmgMDX4YiuxhRokXP4= Message-ID: <588ce11d0705130759w4c354f39y3893149d36984812@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 13 May 2007 07:59:11 -0700 From: "Art Simon" To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Subject: OT: Free tabla VST available for download MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70165 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 13 May 2007 14:59:14 +0000 (UTC) A list member contacted me for a Tabla VST patch I'd posted about a while ago. If anyone else is interested I uploaded the files to http://www.box.net/shared/zilbld9oog You'll have to register to download them, but at around 5Mb it's too big to attach to an email. I've uploaded the soundfiles and the loopazoid patch SwarTablas.lpz that uses them. Download them all to the same folder (probably your VST folder) and you should be fine. There's also a copy of the loopazoid.dll if you need it. All the sounds and the loopazoid drum VST are freely available from many sites on the web. I've just organized it into a patch that's written so the left and right hand strokes are "mute groups", and cut off any previous strokes from that hand. -- Art Simon simart@null.net http://art.simon.tripod.com http://www.myspace.com/artsimon From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 13 15:20:58 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0F6DF3BF97; Sun, 13 May 2007 15:20:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <09e001c79572$4cfc9320$2cb0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <588ce11d0705130759w4c354f39y3893149d36984812@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: Free tabla VST available for download Date: Sun, 13 May 2007 09:20:54 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70166 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 13 May 2007 15:20:58 +0000 (UTC) Thanks, Simon. Can you redirect me to the actual VST? ----- Original Message ----- Subject: OT: Free tabla VST available for download >A list member contacted me for a Tabla VST patch I'd posted about a > while ago. If anyone else is interested I uploaded the files to > http://www.box.net/shared/zilbld9oog > You'll have to register to download them, but at around 5Mb it's too > big to attach to an email. I've uploaded the soundfiles and the > loopazoid patch SwarTablas.lpz that uses them. Download them all to > the same folder (probably your VST folder) and you should be fine. > There's also a copy of the loopazoid.dll if you need it. > > All the sounds and the loopazoid drum VST are freely available from > many sites on the web. I've just organized it into a patch that's > written so the left and right hand strokes are "mute groups", and cut > off any previous strokes from that hand. > > -- > Art Simon > simart@null.net > http://art.simon.tripod.com > http://www.myspace.com/artsimon > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 13 16:35:57 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 294233BEF6; Sun, 13 May 2007 16:35:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=raoagI5naPFIuBVtmEbnYX69v2GgLvSr1ESqwCol6461sf6dYeJlU2du/29fcYGdAaC1Vj4edg6u4MieA+YtsHamfJP43swE0AYhz3LodRnvDjD4rXJ1apOsxZcFJDvmwfO3EmsWeTk6ZgzH2a182ck0sT5UmS17+CvmryVuHMg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=dLukputdebuYnggI4Yuaj3gDltPBxcDtrJ6Pixrn6jf/CXIh+FZHfjRnSxfoBJRdZto7p89TVjFFdpQd255I96za4GPERHtiyGVXrOkvbUJdcLiyp39Cg8B9q25Kkq45Kw9cM0smexThUYMlkXZ/aJmHi8s6HMa2X8hHSNDTN80= Message-ID: <588ce11d0705130935j331c6a57s3eb6c2b5bb3dc875@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 13 May 2007 09:35:53 -0700 From: "Art Simon" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Free tabla VST available for download In-Reply-To: <09e001c79572$4cfc9320$2cb0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <588ce11d0705130759w4c354f39y3893149d36984812@mail.gmail.com> <09e001c79572$4cfc9320$2cb0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70167 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 13 May 2007 16:35:57 +0000 (UTC) http://www.nexoft.de/products/instruments/instruments.htm Loopazoid is the free version of what eventually became Battery. Kind of a misnomer since it's not a looper. "VST2 virtual drum sampler with 48 channels, 64 voices (stereo or mono), 4 stereo outputs. Compatible with 8/16 Bit WAV/AIFF samples. Supported platforms: VST2 plugin for MacOS / Windows" On 5/13/07, Krispen Hartung wrote: > Thanks, Simon. Can you redirect me to the actual VST? > ----- Original Message ----- > > Subject: OT: Free tabla VST available for download > > > >A list member contacted me for a Tabla VST patch I'd posted about a > > while ago. If anyone else is interested I uploaded the files to > > http://www.box.net/shared/zilbld9oog > > You'll have to register to download them, but at around 5Mb it's too > > big to attach to an email. I've uploaded the soundfiles and the > > loopazoid patch SwarTablas.lpz that uses them. Download them all to > > the same folder (probably your VST folder) and you should be fine. > > There's also a copy of the loopazoid.dll if you need it. > > > > All the sounds and the loopazoid drum VST are freely available from > > many sites on the web. I've just organized it into a patch that's > > written so the left and right hand strokes are "mute groups", and cut > > off any previous strokes from that hand. > > > > -- > > Art Simon > > simart@null.net > > http://art.simon.tripod.com > > http://www.myspace.com/artsimon > > > > > > -- Art Simon simart@null.net http://art.simon.tripod.com http://www.myspace.com/artsimon From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 13 17:27:59 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A41C23BEE9; Sun, 13 May 2007 17:27:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=ufartscaB6BjM+aqiM2T/dgNhgV4TcsxpfixjQYv5m28waZTMnF9lz0MAoDtDz0lDv8rdHVk0+zCLaR+0WGruJ5ykp868G/lMESz9ZZ4K1vpp9HsxegYle59nBiELBWoZ7/rLD1PP5GerWB+zs58A+KLHlMP33ahwafx2Necjag= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=ud2LgzGG5zWU90vYRggkNpSOXQ5P1aJ/gSoDZf6OoIikIBGpjhmVRoFjBUtxn6HP52rpr0yU1Gd+rIg2jkcK028TzNXRwr9bmpdHd3foZC6i8QWbWPoaLkKdLFm4fV8lzjsDmLN/jQbIRr4hP3iHwhlLhM8Nx7q6n0iUj3ejcts= Message-ID: Date: Sun, 13 May 2007 19:27:57 +0200 From: "Raul Bonell" To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Subject: lo-fi lazer MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: <_tEXl.A.Y3G.fq0RGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70168 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 13 May 2007 17:27:59 +0000 (UTC) hi LD, I've got some spare time this weekend and decided to listen to my favorite artists, which are, of course, members of this list. Some days ago, Per Boysen, presented his new Jamendo's release, "Lo-fi Lazer". Layered-complex-improvisations. Some labels comes to mind ... "What the hell will come next?" ... "monk meets ra" ... "cage's new fungy soup" ... I remember to read that Per was using his H4 for the recording, isn't?. Mastering wizardry?. Really very good sound... Highly recommended! Cheers, Raul. -- The Playing Orchestra: http://www.telefonica.net/web2/tpo Chain Tape Collective: http://www.ct-collective.com TPO at myspace: http://www.myspace.com/theplayingorchestra From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 13 17:28:52 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4FD193BEE0; Sun, 13 May 2007 17:28:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=Xc7pQCIIynETsrIfZUvei+z+Z4YOxG8oc8B+VLu9vUJgUt9hOWyRW4pCpK+lZwpOX7VxWR6w8d1D2AC2pi9RCJl/P1U2LPEjUe93x0dYLoMMs8kZRP3WtpzSCXcbxsaSu1oURqH5edYh4Q0AIWrJGm0peLSlcjYUhOjDz404Iyo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=RmolXdEDxRAh4VHC9pNnVApufqW10Ct1cCI7PqfKtv8VeZmGZisUDtLQd9ab7nhJl/ilIwAdpNWf743piOGdGnhZMcdrjiWIn2ymXeAor4dd4o0epX4s7tyiB0DuZZXPrddJVEFFKOmR1ZZOvS1K64JXMV1iXs+amjTQTpj4xKY= Message-ID: Date: Sun, 13 May 2007 19:28:48 +0200 From: "Raul Bonell" To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Subject: mandolin from mars MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: <49d5w.A.xAH.Tr0RGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70169 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 13 May 2007 17:28:52 +0000 (UTC) Hi there, I'm enjoying "Mandolin from Mars" since yesterday. Krispen, may you tell us about the looping set up?. Is your looping system enterely laptop based?. Tweaks on "Probe Out" are wonderful. All going here is Reaktor processing?. Cheers, Raul. -- The Playing Orchestra: http://www.telefonica.net/web2/tpo Chain Tape Collective: http://www.ct-collective.com TPO at myspace: http://www.myspace.com/theplayingorchestra From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 13 18:08:14 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CC0CF3BEE4; Sun, 13 May 2007 18:08:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <0a1301c79589$ab786200$2cb0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: Subject: Re: mandolin from mars Date: Sun, 13 May 2007 12:08:11 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0A10_01C79557.60684CD0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70170 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 13 May 2007 18:08:14 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0A10_01C79557.60684CD0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > Hi there, >=20 > I'm enjoying "Mandolin from Mars" since yesterday. Excellent. I like to hear that. > Krispen, may you tell us about the looping set up?. > Is your looping system enterely laptop based?. Yes, everything but one song (Cthulhu On Mars, which is using a Boss VF1 = for delay/pitch in addition to the laptop)) is laptop based. I use a = Lenovo (IBM) ThinkPad T60p (Intel Duo) with the Inigo IO cardslot = soundcard. I use an LR Baggs acoustic preamp on some of the songs too, = to condition the level of the mandolin, EQ, etc. Inside the notebook, = I'm using Chainer as a VST host, with several VST effects (Reaktor, = Hipno, PSP42/84, etc...and some of my own MAX/MSP patches converted to = VST). And I'm using Mobius to loop, controlled by the Behringer FCB = controller. > Tweaks on "Probe Out" are wonderful. > All going here is Reaktor processing?. The frst half of the song is primarly just looping with the mandolin = with reverb, delay, chorus, and then mid way through the song I start = using a varity of Reaktor ensembles. This CD was heavy with Reaktor. = It's practicaly an advertisement for the program! :) Kris >=20 > Cheers, > Raul. ------=_NextPart_000_0A10_01C79557.60684CD0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
> Hi there,
>
> I'm = enjoying=20 "Mandolin from Mars" since yesterday.
Excellent. I like to hear = that.
 
> Krispen, may you tell us about the = looping set=20 up?.
> Is your looping system enterely laptop based?.
 
Yes, everything but one song (Cthulhu = On Mars,=20 which is using a Boss VF1 for delay/pitch in addition to the laptop)) is = laptop=20 based.  I use a Lenovo (IBM) ThinkPad T60p (Intel Duo) with the = Inigo IO=20 cardslot soundcard. I use an LR Baggs acoustic preamp on some of the = songs too,=20 to condition the level of the mandolin, EQ, etc.  Inside the = notebook, I'm=20 using Chainer as a VST host, with several VST effects (Reaktor, Hipno, = PSP42/84,=20 etc...and some of my own MAX/MSP patches converted to VST).  And = I'm using=20 Mobius to loop, controlled by the Behringer FCB controller.

> = Tweaks=20 on "Probe Out" are wonderful.
> All going here is Reaktor=20 processing?.
 
The frst half of the song is primarly = just looping=20 with the mandolin with reverb, delay, chorus, and then mid way through = the song=20 I start using a varity of Reaktor ensembles. This CD was heavy with = Reaktor.=20 It's practicaly an advertisement for the program!  :)
 
Kris

>
> Cheers,
> = Raul.
 ------=_NextPart_000_0A10_01C79557.60684CD0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 13 21:37:16 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A278D3BED8; Sun, 13 May 2007 21:37:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4647829F.40500@blueyonder.co.uk> Date: Sun, 13 May 2007 22:26:55 +0100 From: lifeisgood User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.10 (Windows/20070221) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: mandolin from mars References: <0a1301c79589$ab786200$2cb0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> In-Reply-To: <0a1301c79589$ab786200$2cb0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------040200030109070602060601" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70171 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 13 May 2007 21:37:16 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------040200030109070602060601 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit hm, so.. sm57 or beta 57? What are the differences between these anyway? Its going to be used on vocals (sometimes loud), zither, percussion (loud and quiet), bowed cymbals etc Krispen Hartung wrote: > > Hi there, > > > > I'm enjoying "Mandolin from Mars" since yesterday. > Excellent. I like to hear that. > > > Krispen, may you tell us about the looping set up?. > > Is your looping system enterely laptop based?. > > Yes, everything but one song (Cthulhu On Mars, which is using a Boss > VF1 for delay/pitch in addition to the laptop)) is laptop based. I > use a Lenovo (IBM) ThinkPad T60p (Intel Duo) with the Inigo IO > cardslot soundcard. I use an LR Baggs acoustic preamp on some of the > songs too, to condition the level of the mandolin, EQ, etc. Inside > the notebook, I'm using Chainer as a VST host, with several VST > effects (Reaktor, Hipno, PSP42/84, etc...and some of my own MAX/MSP > patches converted to VST). And I'm using Mobius to loop, controlled > by the Behringer FCB controller. > > > Tweaks on "Probe Out" are wonderful. > > All going here is Reaktor processing?. > > The frst half of the song is primarly just looping with the mandolin > with reverb, delay, chorus, and then mid way through the song I start > using a varity of Reaktor ensembles. This CD was heavy with Reaktor. > It's practicaly an advertisement for the program! :) > > Kris > > > > > Cheers, > > Raul. --------------040200030109070602060601 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit hm, so.. sm57 or beta 57?
What are the differences between these anyway?
Its going to be used on vocals (sometimes loud), zither, percussion (loud and quiet), bowed cymbals etc




Krispen Hartung wrote:
> Hi there,
>
> I'm enjoying "Mandolin from Mars" since yesterday.
Excellent. I like to hear that.
 
> Krispen, may you tell us about the looping set up?.
> Is your looping system enterely laptop based?.
 
Yes, everything but one song (Cthulhu On Mars, which is using a Boss VF1 for delay/pitch in addition to the laptop)) is laptop based.  I use a Lenovo (IBM) ThinkPad T60p (Intel Duo) with the Inigo IO cardslot soundcard. I use an LR Baggs acoustic preamp on some of the songs too, to condition the level of the mandolin, EQ, etc.  Inside the notebook, I'm using Chainer as a VST host, with several VST effects (Reaktor, Hipno, PSP42/84, etc...and some of my own MAX/MSP patches converted to VST).  And I'm using Mobius to loop, controlled by the Behringer FCB controller.

> Tweaks on "Probe Out" are wonderful.
> All going here is Reaktor processing?.
 
The frst half of the song is primarly just looping with the mandolin with reverb, delay, chorus, and then mid way through the song I start using a varity of Reaktor ensembles. This CD was heavy with Reaktor. It's practicaly an advertisement for the program!  :)
 
Kris

>
> Cheers,
> Raul.
--------------040200030109070602060601-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 13 22:57:46 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 22A343BECC; Sun, 13 May 2007 22:57:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=Ws00C3bZfXsqC4kfv18VwcJ5i8iuN0uXRHZhmxGw7sUsakJXgmLCaB8rC0LiBqMY8yXuukgT57lfU4f7bsiDtHe2kt9qw3Yns1PEV+yuP+W9yU8abzra3MtbqTjj/FnTrCFdLyuVkac5u9AIkHu6eIxrfpEB+txl0oJyMiRKTgc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=omg/fqKHErq9hmNBVP0MosUSJdqDHGNqW9EqOY2urT1wmGZk3Sq8b9gPBJ5PFKcqLOd2OYutFOHSaBE1XFSMy0IFRXQriMtoLr2IcTipvwE74HABiZ/ro6nfrFFvDOnqze9F7HcnT+f2TMPRGGcsofK280bcwmNG76HzQ+PVico= Message-ID: Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 00:57:44 +0200 From: "Raul Bonell" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: mandolin from mars In-Reply-To: <0a1301c79589$ab786200$2cb0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <0a1301c79589$ab786200$2cb0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70172 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 13 May 2007 22:57:46 +0000 (UTC) 2007/5/13, Krispen Hartung : > Yes, everything but one song (Cthulhu On Mars, which is using a Boss VF1 for > delay/pitch in addition to the laptop)) is laptop based. I use a Lenovo > (IBM) ThinkPad T60p (Intel Duo) with the Inigo IO cardslot soundcard. I use > an LR Baggs acoustic preamp on some of the songs too, to condition the level > of the mandolin, EQ, etc. Inside the notebook, I'm using Chainer as a VST > host, with several VST effects (Reaktor, Hipno, PSP42/84, etc...and some of > my own MAX/MSP patches converted to VST). And I'm using Mobius to loop, > controlled by the Behringer FCB controller. Very large set up but all inside the PC, so, small. I have to spend 20 min. unpacking & connecting cables between toys, to have all ready: GT-3, fcb-1010, Plex, Mixer, Kaoss, AirFX, audio cables & MIDIs along the complete set up ... arggh... >This CD was heavy with Reaktor. It's practicaly > an advertisement for the program! :) Yes ;-) since it made me visit the native inst. pages to check some demo out... Also renewed my interest in the music of indian u.shrinivas. Long time since I'd not listened to his CDs ... thnks for the gift, Raul. > Kris > > > > > Cheers, > > Raul. > -- The Playing Orchestra: http://www.telefonica.net/web2/tpo Chain Tape Collective: http://www.ct-collective.com TPO at myspace: http://www.myspace.com/theplayingorchestra From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 13 23:00:13 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 516B03BED5; Sun, 13 May 2007 23:00:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=eiPS6b/CE+RkxUrLaP3zWj7bVZk8bL+8nuY6ie9EBn0QasU8Q4Jb7lop+HLfat1ry1pvMYdDm7eTwaK9Ft4Mp7qF66y+7dICR7k5hnHPQ5g4aptJiJ6GzXylUDqDhM+4E76xIx2VlH/Eteonbg7Q+CQy6ISrdoe1hrc3r5H3jHo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=eWBbkyuE4oRzUDZ6fJOr5rvlbsPBkW7rfHmibfCnvjE4pGXgCugELZE1QMEdObun4sK51Xya6xSJrDLdBC6VAvUwVM94uBgucVETU2LQVQhwZ0XTDppJwMRX7OVvx1Dws9jcUy3b8No3zvosPGavej/LCd+tN7eZjhGE/3KRG48= Message-ID: Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 01:00:11 +0200 From: "Raul Bonell" To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Subject: lo-fi lazer MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70173 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 13 May 2007 23:00:13 +0000 (UTC) hi LD, I've got some spare time this weekend and decided to listen to my favorite artists, which are, of course, members of this list. Some days ago, Per Boysen, presented his new Jamendo's release, "Lo-fi Lazer". Layered-complex-improvisations. Some labels comes to mind ... "What the hell will come next?" ... "monk meets ra" ... "cage's new fungy soup" ... I remember to read that Per was using his H4 for the recording, isn't?. Mastering wizardry?. Really very good sound... Highly recommended! Cheers, Raul. -- The Playing Orchestra: http://www.telefonica.net/web2/tpo Chain Tape Collective: http://www.ct-collective.com TPO at myspace: http://www.myspace.com/theplayingorchestra From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 13 23:02:24 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 57F843BED2; Sun, 13 May 2007 23:02:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: <4646DAFC.10208@tiscali.co.uk> References: <011e01c79488$8b0ebb10$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> <086801c7949b$d800a0b0$2cb0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <4646DAFC.10208@tiscali.co.uk> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-8--1073329287 Message-Id: <02FED5A9-B5D7-47EC-ADA3-38721A9625FF@venetowest.com> From: Ronan Chris Murphy Subject: Re: microphone: a professional percussionist replies Date: Sun, 13 May 2007 16:02:13 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70174 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 13 May 2007 23:02:24 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-8--1073329287 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed On May 13, 2007, at 2:31 AM, andy butler wrote: > ( and you can even use the 421 on kick drum) You are so right Andy, They are great kick mics, amazing for toms and electric guitars and bass amp. I love the 421 > As far as I know, the frequency deviations from flat for a studio > condenser are in a whole different league to those of a cheap hand > held dynamic. > The flattering part of a large diaphragm condenser is a subtle > presence lift. > The Sm57 colors the sound considerably. > It's not just the frequency response here, it's also significant > that a condenser has a very even phase response, and a dynamic mic > doesn't. All mics color. That is the fun of it all. Where a mic dips is just as important as where it lifts. Its the coloration that makes people spend $5-10,000 on a nice U47 or C12. Its the coloration of a lot of the cheapo condensers that keeps them out of my studio (cheap condensers often have really ugly abrasive high end coloration) They all color in different ways. Not sure what you mean about even phase response, do you mean off axis response? > That would be fascinating. > I'm sure I've heard the "whole album with an SM57" claim before. > ( I suspect that having every sound colored that much by the same > mic would > make very fatiguing listening) I am insanely busy and booked with other projects for the next several months, but when I get a little bit of free time, I am actually going to try and do a 100% SM57 song, just for the fun of it. I am really curious about this myself. The 57 is not always the best tool for the job, but so often its at least very good and most importantly the tracks usually work well in the mix. There is a cool Australian singer songwriter I did a record for last year which features tons of 57s.I am pretty sure the things that were SM57: All vocals, all acoustic guitars, all electric guitars, all keyboard amps, all pedal steel, and snare drum. The upright bass was mostly a old SM58 style unidyne. The overheads, percussion overdubs, strings and mandolin were Shure KSM 32s. Really I do not work for Shure, I just like their stuff. You can hear it here with crapy myspace compression http://www.myspace.com/mattellisband > > Did you try any of the newer "stage condensers"? No, but I have never seen too much of the appeal, but that said, being on stage is about 5% of my life. I mostly make records. Ronan Chris Murphy www.venetowest.com (Production & mixing: King Crimson, Chucho Valdes, Steve Morse, Terry Bozzio, CGT...) www.homerecordingbootcamp.com (Workshops around the world teaching the art and craft of recording ) www.livesofthesaints.net (The hottest ambient noise duo since Sonny & Cher) --Apple-Mail-8--1073329287 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1
On May 13, 2007, at = 2:31 AM, andy butler wrote:

( and you can even use the 421 on kick = drum)

You are so right Andy, They = are great kick mics, amazing for toms and electric guitars and bass amp. = I love the 421


As far as I know, the frequency deviations from flat = for a studio condenser are in a whole different league to those of a = cheap hand held dynamic.
The = flattering part of a large diaphragm condenser is a subtle presence = lift.
The Sm57 colors the sound = considerably.
It's not just the frequency = response here, it's also significant that a condenser has a very even = phase response, and a dynamic mic doesn't.

All mics color. That is the = fun of it all. Where a mic dips is just as important as where it lifts. = Its the coloration that makes people spend $5-10,000 on a nice U47 or = C12. Its the coloration of a lot of the cheapo=A0condensers=A0that keeps = them out of my studio (cheap=A0condensers often have really ugly = abrasive high end coloration) They all color in different ways. Not sure = what you mean about even phase response, do you mean off axis = response?


That would be fascinating.
I'm sure I've heard the "whole album with an SM57" = claim before.
( I suspect that having every = sound colored that much by the same mic would
make very fatiguing listening) =A0

I am insanely busy and = booked with other projects for the next several months, but when I get a = little bit of free time, I am actually going to try and do a 100% SM57 = song, just for the fun of it. I am really curious about this myself. The = 57 is not always the best tool for the job, but so often its at least = very good and most importantly the tracks usually work well in the = mix.

There is = a cool Australian singer songwriter I did a record for last year which = features tons of 57s.I am pretty sure the things that were SM57: All = vocals, all acoustic guitars, all electric guitars, all keyboard amps, = all pedal steel, and snare drum. The upright bass was mostly a old SM58 = style unidyne. The overheads, percussion overdubs, strings and mandolin = were Shure KSM 32s. Really I do not work for Shure, I just like their = stuff. You can hear it here with crapy myspace compression



Did you = try any of the newer "stage = condensers"?

No, but I have never seen too = much of the appeal, but that said, being on stage is about 5% of my = life. I mostly make records.

Ronan Chris = Murphy
www.venetowest.com (Production = & mixing: King Crimson, Chucho Valdes, Steve Morse, Terry Bozzio, = CGT...)
www.homerecordingbootcamp.com = (Workshops around the world teaching the art and craft of recording = )
www.livesofthesaints.net (The hottest ambient = noise duo since Sonny & Cher)
= --Apple-Mail-8--1073329287-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 13 23:16:24 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 355033BEDD; Sun, 13 May 2007 23:16:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Sun, 13 May 2007 19:16:22 -0400 From: Warren Sirota Subject: BEMF In-reply-to: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <008201c795b4$b8751040$3702a8c0@macbookxp> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Thread-index: AceVsi8V6qJ4IWUzQ7+zHDnz2wVmzAAAkfbQ References: <0a1301c79589$ab786200$2cb0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70175 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 13 May 2007 23:16:24 +0000 (UTC) Really enjoying what I've heard so far - I've listened to the first hour or more. Liked Lumper/Splitter a lot, and the Transhumans were great. Thanks, Kris, for the feed. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 14 02:03:53 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2FFEE3BED6; Mon, 14 May 2007 02:03:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <0a4f01c795cc$1befdd00$2cb0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <0a1301c79589$ab786200$2cb0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <008201c795b4$b8751040$3702a8c0@macbookxp> Subject: Re: BEMF Date: Sun, 13 May 2007 20:03:46 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70176 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 02:03:53 +0000 (UTC) I should have a lot more clips in the stream mid this week, including Ted Killian's set and many others. Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Warren Sirota" To: Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2007 5:16 PM Subject: BEMF > Really enjoying what I've heard so far - I've listened to the first hour > or > more. Liked Lumper/Splitter a lot, and the Transhumans were great. > > Thanks, Kris, for the feed. > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 14 02:20:57 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 187163BEDC; Mon, 14 May 2007 02:20:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <0a7b01c795ce$7f000da0$2cb0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <0a1301c79589$ab786200$2cb0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <4647829F.40500@blueyonder.co.uk> Subject: Re: mandolin from mars Date: Sun, 13 May 2007 20:20:52 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0A78_01C7959C.33F92030" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70177 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 02:20:57 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0A78_01C7959C.33F92030 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable If it were just vocals, then I'd recommend the SM58. I think it tends to = be a bit brighter and accomodating of the vocal range, but since you = want to mic other non-vocal sources, I'd recommend the SM58. Others on = the group have still made some good recommendations, though. You should = do some research outside the group based on your needs. But at least you = know that the SM57 can be used as an all around general purpose mic with = decent results. That is for certain. The proof is in the recordings, and = they exist to make the case. The rest is in how you engineer the = recordings or usage in a live setting.=20 I just use the SM57 because I know what to expect, and it's not a risk = to go with it, given how many thousands of people over decades have used = it for multiple applications. I know what it can do and how I can work = with what it sends me in terms of output. I'd done all sorts of crazy = things with the SM57. Years ago, I crammed one inside the sound hole of = an old nylon string classical guitar. I just let it sit inside the body, = wedged again one of the braces. I got some interesting results from that = on tape. Believe it or not, it sounded better than some of the small = condensor mics that folks spend hundreds of dollars on with fancy = acoustic systems. Kris ----- Original Message -----=20 From: lifeisgood=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2007 3:26 PM Subject: Re: mandolin from mars hm, so.. sm57 or beta 57? What are the differences between these anyway?=20 Its going to be used on vocals (sometimes loud), zither, percussion = (loud and quiet), bowed cymbals etc Krispen Hartung wrote:=20 > Hi there, >=20 > I'm enjoying "Mandolin from Mars" since yesterday. Excellent. I like to hear that. > Krispen, may you tell us about the looping set up?. > Is your looping system enterely laptop based?. Yes, everything but one song (Cthulhu On Mars, which is using a Boss = VF1 for delay/pitch in addition to the laptop)) is laptop based. I use = a Lenovo (IBM) ThinkPad T60p (Intel Duo) with the Inigo IO cardslot = soundcard. I use an LR Baggs acoustic preamp on some of the songs too, = to condition the level of the mandolin, EQ, etc. Inside the notebook, = I'm using Chainer as a VST host, with several VST effects (Reaktor, = Hipno, PSP42/84, etc...and some of my own MAX/MSP patches converted to = VST). And I'm using Mobius to loop, controlled by the Behringer FCB = controller. > Tweaks on "Probe Out" are wonderful. > All going here is Reaktor processing?. The frst half of the song is primarly just looping with the mandolin = with reverb, delay, chorus, and then mid way through the song I start = using a varity of Reaktor ensembles. This CD was heavy with Reaktor. = It's practicaly an advertisement for the program! :) Kris >=20 > Cheers, > Raul. ------=_NextPart_000_0A78_01C7959C.33F92030 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
If it were just vocals, then I'd = recommend the=20 SM58. I think it tends to be a bit brighter and accomodating of the = vocal range,=20 but since you want to mic other non-vocal sources, I'd recommend the = SM58. =20 Others on the group have still made some good recommendations, though. = You=20 should do some research outside the group based on your needs. But at = least you=20 know that the SM57 can be used as an all around general purpose mic with = decent=20 results. That is for certain. The proof is in the recordings, and they = exist to=20 make the case. The rest is in how you engineer the recordings or usage = in a live=20 setting.
 
I just use the SM57 because I know what = to expect,=20 and it's not a risk to go with it, given how many thousands of people = over=20 decades have used it for multiple applications. I know what it can do = and how I=20 can work with what it sends me in terms of output.  I'd done all = sorts of=20 crazy things with the SM57. Years ago, I crammed one inside the sound = hole of an=20 old nylon string classical guitar. I just let it sit inside the body, = wedged=20 again one of the braces. I got some interesting results from that on = tape.=20 Believe it or not, it sounded better than some of the small condensor = mics that=20 folks spend hundreds of dollars on with fancy acoustic = systems.
 
Kris
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 lifeisgood
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2007 3:26 = PM
Subject: Re: mandolin from = mars

hm, so.. = sm57 or beta=20 57?
What are the differences between these anyway?
Its going to = be used=20 on vocals (sometimes loud), zither, percussion (loud and quiet), bowed = cymbals=20 etc




Krispen Hartung wrote:=20
> Hi there,
>
> I'm = enjoying=20 "Mandolin from Mars" since yesterday.
Excellent. I like to hear = that.
 
> Krispen, may you tell us about = the looping=20 set up?.
> Is your looping system enterely laptop = based?.
 
Yes, everything but one song = (Cthulhu On Mars,=20 which is using a Boss VF1 for delay/pitch in addition to the = laptop)) is=20 laptop based.  I use a Lenovo (IBM) ThinkPad T60p (Intel Duo) = with the=20 Inigo IO cardslot soundcard. I use an LR Baggs acoustic preamp on = some of=20 the songs too, to condition the level of the mandolin, EQ, = etc.  Inside=20 the notebook, I'm using Chainer as a VST host, with several VST = effects=20 (Reaktor, Hipno, PSP42/84, etc...and some of my own MAX/MSP patches=20 converted to VST).  And I'm using Mobius to loop, controlled by = the=20 Behringer FCB controller.

> Tweaks on "Probe Out" are=20 wonderful.
> All going here is Reaktor = processing?.
 
The frst half of the song is = primarly just=20 looping with the mandolin with reverb, delay, chorus, and then mid = way=20 through the song I start using a varity of Reaktor ensembles. This = CD was=20 heavy with Reaktor. It's practicaly an advertisement for the = program! =20 :)
 
Kris

>
> Cheers,
>=20 Raul.
------=_NextPart_000_0A78_01C7959C.33F92030-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 14 02:36:36 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 95FC83BEE8; Mon, 14 May 2007 02:36:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=aWY0ZNc87gOllwt7XVq58FNS7HVm3wm4ZfOqemXI3xPWgDI9GIOxlRjHlCo9lRGEp/6hU7bbixFNPl8cBaykEahQ5qHoXSppac9HhUC0MOIFxcuK2iPUrapOp3r94rhwU4o6ZsvPFJfuU+XdFFwNmma9VvJwRbtPtIzU/M1mDlo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=N57q5TYiuOotcf1EqGCbPdQYn20xqBYE8KbOh7aL87fmTKrZvHLJjv1EtaziB46gLlcWLWrKNxMWTkdJJgxVATXWrays23R1VPR6/HLks3s6UhUKjJRr0VkO8IO5NComIFL2o1A5UvuWi+qA9CcUsMbHxeYQa10mryv0EpPz6/Y= Message-ID: Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 04:36:35 +0200 From: "krughanh henderson" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: mandolin from mars In-Reply-To: <0a7b01c795ce$7f000da0$2cb0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <0a1301c79589$ab786200$2cb0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <4647829F.40500@blueyonder.co.uk> <0a7b01c795ce$7f000da0$2cb0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Resent-Message-ID: <95SVOB.A.DY.0s8RGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70178 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 02:36:36 +0000 (UTC) On 5/14/07, Krispen Hartung wrote: > If it were just vocals, then I'd recommend the SM58. I think it tends to be > a bit brighter and accomodating of the vocal range, but since you want to > mic other non-vocal sources, I'd recommend the SM58. Others on the group > have still made some good recommendations, though. You should do some > research outside the group based on your needs. But at least you know that > the SM57 can be used as an all around general purpose mic with decent > results. That is for certain. The proof is in the recordings, and they exist > to make the case. The rest is in how you engineer the recordings or usage in > a live setting. > > I just use the SM57 because I know what to expect, and it's not a risk to go > with it, given how many thousands of people over decades have used it for > multiple applications. I know what it can do and how I can work with what it > sends me in terms of output. I'd done all sorts of crazy things with the > SM57. Years ago, I crammed one inside the sound hole of an old nylon string > classical guitar. I just let it sit inside the body, wedged again one of the > braces. I got some interesting results from that on tape. Believe it or not, > it sounded better than some of the small condensor mics that folks spend > hundreds of dollars on with fancy acoustic systems. > > Kris > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: lifeisgood > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2007 3:26 PM > Subject: Re: mandolin from mars > > > hm, so.. sm57 or beta 57? > What are the differences between these anyway? > Its going to be used on vocals (sometimes loud), zither, percussion (loud > and quiet), bowed cymbals etc > > > > > Krispen Hartung wrote: > > Hi there, > > > > I'm enjoying "Mandolin from Mars" since yesterday. > > Excellent. I like to hear that. > > > Krispen, may you tell us about the looping set up?. > > Is your looping system enterely laptop based?. > > Yes, everything but one song (Cthulhu On Mars, which is using a Boss VF1 > for delay/pitch in addition to the laptop)) is laptop based. I use a Lenovo > (IBM) ThinkPad T60p (Intel Duo) with the Inigo IO cardslot soundcard. I use > an LR Baggs acoustic preamp on some of the songs too, to condition the level > of the mandolin, EQ, etc. Inside the notebook, I'm using Chainer as a VST > host, with several VST effects (Reaktor, Hipno, PSP42/84, etc...and some of > my own MAX/MSP patches converted to VST). And I'm using Mobius to loop, > controlled by the Behringer FCB controller. > > > Tweaks on "Probe Out" are wonderful. > > All going here is Reaktor processing?. > > The frst half of the song is primarly just looping with the mandolin > with reverb, delay, chorus, and then mid way through the song I start using > a varity of Reaktor ensembles. This CD was heavy with Reaktor. It's > practicaly an advertisement for the program! :) > > Kris > > > > > Cheers, > > Raul. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 14 04:57:34 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CFF543BED6; Mon, 14 May 2007 04:57:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "PiNG" To: "Ambient@hyperreal" , "Dark Seeds" , "Drone Deep Chill" , "Loopers Delight" , "The Ambient Way" , Subject: 05.22.07 . MAY PiNG > RADiO iN AMBiENCE w GEEK WEEKEND + STEPHEN KELLY & ELEANOR KING Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 00:57:32 -0400 Organization: THE AMBiENT PiNG Message-ID: <000101c795e4$61c2b1a0$a27ba8c0@dream> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1807 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70179 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 04:57:34 +0000 (UTC) . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . TUESDAY MAY 22ND @ THE PiNG . RADiO iN AMBiENCE - A special presentation for DEEP WIRELESS in collaboration with=20 NEW ADVENTURES IN SOUND ART featuring GEEK WEEKEND with=20 ROBERT HOARE (Berlin Germany) & STEVEN SAUV=C9 (Hamilton ON)=20 + STEPHEN KELLY and ELEANOR KING (Halifax, NS) LiVE iN THE UNDERGROUND @ the DRAKE HOTEL TUESDAY MAY 22ND . 8PM . PWYC (5$ suggested) . COMiNG iN JUNE TO THE PiNG . DARK SUMMER NiGHTS 1 featuring s:cage (dark electronics) + KNURL (metal machine noise) LiVE iN THE UNDERGROUND @ the DRAKE HOTEL TUESDAY JUNE 26TH . 8PM . PWYC (5$ suggested) . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 05.22.07 . The PiNG Presents RADiO iN AMBiENCE -=20 A special presentation for DEEP WIRELESS in collaboration with=20 NEW ADVENTURES IN SOUND ART featuring GEEK WEEKEND with=20 ROBERT HOARE (Berlin Germany) & STEVEN SAUV=C9 (Hamilton ON)=20 + STEPHEN KELLY and ELEANOR KING (Halifax NS) @ the UNDERGROUND downstairs @ the DRAKE HOTEL 1150 Queen St. W @ Beaconsfield . W of Ossington . E of Dufferin TUESDAY MAY 22ND . 8PM . PWYC (5$ suggested) . For the 5th year in a row, RADiO iN AMBiENCE transmits live at the=20 PiNG. Tune in as Toronto/Berlin sound artist Robert Hoare and Hamilton=20 synthguy Steven Sauv=E9 bring their Geek Weekend project back to the=20 PiNG stage. Also along for this year's spin on the radio dial are PiNG=20 newcomers, the Halifax duo Stephen Kelly and Eleanor King.=20 Join us as our Deep Wireless guests coax the radio ether=20 into an outer-worldly electro ambient chill. Robert Hoare : http://www.robhoare.de Steven Sauv=E9: http://www.karmafarm.ca Stephen Kelly and Eleanor King: http://www.thejustbarelys.ca http://ckdu.dal.ca/~barelymusic/art.html Explore the New Adventures in Sound Art website for more=20 on Deep Wireless, a month-long celebration of radio and=20 transmission art. http://www.naisa.ca/deepwireless . NOTE that for MAY, the PiNG breaks from our usual last Tuesday of=20 the month slot @ The Drake Underground so that we can be in the=20 thick of the Deep Wireless festivities by presenting this year's=20 RADiO iN AMBiENCE performance on TUESDAY MAY 22ND. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . THE ALMOST LiVE MUSiC SERiES on AMBiENT PiNG RADiO Monday May 14th at 9pm EST a new=20 ALMOST LiVE iN THE STUDiO set by Undo.=20 Featuring the work of David Kirkdorffer on guitar, this=20 set presents a series of live guitar improvisations recorded=20 direct to tape without the aid of any synths or keyboards.=20 It's a fascinating journey in aural textures - check it out. The ALMOST LiVE MUSiC SERiES is broadcast on=20 http://www.ambientpingradio.com on Mondays at 9PM EST=20 and is rebroadcast Thursdays at 12midnight EST=20 and Saturdays at 3:30PM EST. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . OTHER COOL THiNGS FROM FRiENDS OF THE PiNG . NEW ADVENTURES IN SOUND ART presents=20 the 6th annual DEEP WIRELESS . May 1 - 31 As part of a month-long celebration of radio and transmission=20 art, radio artists, sound artists and enthusiasts can experience=20 performances, sound installations, new commissions,=20 special radio broadcasts, a CD launch and conference. Tuesday May 29 . RADiO iN AMBiENCE . THE AMBiENT PiNG 8 pm at The Drake Hotel Underground=20 1150 Queen Street West . $5=20 Thursday May 24th . Radio _Kontakte_ Concert 8pm @ the Ryerson Student Campus Centre (Alumni Room) 55 Gould Street . $15/$10 (free for conference registrants) Fri. & Sat. May 25 & 26 . Radio Theatre 1 & 2 (with It is to Laugh) doors open 7:30pm show start 8pm Ryerson Student Centre, Alumni Room . 55 Gould Street $15/$10 (free for conference registrants) Radio Art Salon / Gallery Installation May 2-27@ Gallery 1313, Process Gallery 1313 Queen Street West Radio Roam by Eleanor King & Stephen Kelly Radio Art Salon curated by Darren Copeland For more info on New Adventures in Sound Art and=20 the Deep Wireless Radio Art Festival and Conference:=20 http://www.naisa.ca . ATTENTiON PiNG ARTiSTS . Call for Works for the 60x60 project.=20 Vox Novus is inviting composers to submit recorded works 60 seconds=20 or less in length to be included in its fifth annual 60x60 project. 60=20 compositions will be selected to be performed continuously in a=20 one-hour concert, in conjunction with multimedia elements=20 and an analog clock marking the passage of time.=20 Deadline: Submissions must be postmarked by May 21, 2007 http://www.VoxNovus.com/60x60/Call.htm . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . THE AMBiENT PiNG is a Toronto based creative community of audio artists, performers, musicians and visual artists. The PiNG presents live multimedia performances featuring ambient, electronic, soundscape, chillout, trip hop, dream pop, downtempo, space, darkwave, drone and experimental artists from around the world. http://www.theambientping.com Tune in anytime to AMBiENT PING RADiO at http://www.ambientpingradio.com ViSiT ping things for ambient, electronic and chill things: http://www.pingthings.com . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Please forward this e-mail to any interested friends or appropriate newsgroups. Thanks. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 14 05:33:48 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6A6853BED2; Mon, 14 May 2007 05:33:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <00e701c795e9$80e2e320$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "RICK WALKER" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: HOOOOORAY FOR US!!!!!!! Date: Sun, 13 May 2007 22:34:12 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.9 required=1.0 tests=AWL,PLING_PLING,SUBJ_ALL_CAPS autolearn=disabled version=3.1.7 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.7 (2006-10-05) on mail.cruzio.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70180 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 05:33:48 +0000 (UTC) Just read the new Guitar Player. in the two page, color article about the Y2K6 International Live Looping Festival there was: ...a huge and well deserved picture of Bill Walker working his looping gear. smaller but wonderful pics of Genie, Ted Killian, Kris Hartung, Carl Weingarten, Lucio Menegon and Joe Rut's arms and footpedals. a nice one of Kim Flint. a little one of me as the token drummer in the set. highlight mentions of Kris Hartung's set, Per Boysens' set and Amy X's sets. other mentions of Goh Nakumura, Warren Sirota, and Rainer Straschill. elsewhere in the magazine was a nice profile on the songwriting approach of British looping vocalist, Tim Bowness a huge article on David Torn, his setups and processes of sound design. Even the cover article on groundbreaker, Andy Summers has a headline that mentions an echoplex (though it probaby refers to the pre-Matthias Grob/Kim Flint era echoplex). All told, a fantastic looping heavy issue of a major music magazine. HOOOOOOOORAY FOR US!!!!!!!!!!! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 14 05:54:33 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BEE513BED8; Mon, 14 May 2007 05:54:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: AW: HOOOOORAY FOR US!!!!!!! Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 07:54:46 +0200 Organization: Moinlabs Message-ID: <000001c795ec$60a1deb0$1001a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Thread-Index: AceV6XLXYr5+qeBURPqu85c7JISPrAAAsebw In-Reply-To: <00e701c795e9$80e2e320$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> X-RZG-AUTH: lUESeo99iNzPL8kuBgLYdKEqUywq9cxqeRA+BtFcSCD5deQ7OIWP/tHGX6A= X-RZG-CLASS-ID: mo07 Resent-Message-ID: <7EByJ.A.qpB.Zm_RGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70181 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 05:54:33 +0000 (UTC) > in the two page, color article about the Y2K6 International > Live Looping Festival there was: would anyone be able to scan/reprophotograph the respective article and mail it to me? Your run-of-the-mill newsstand here doesn't carry Gearporn...uhmm...Guitar Player here. Replies offlist please. Thanks, Rainer From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 14 07:21:02 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CBA083BED2; Mon, 14 May 2007 07:21:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <000001c795ec$60a1deb0$1001a8c0@succubus> References: <000001c795ec$60a1deb0$1001a8c0@succubus> Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 04:20:52 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: AW: HOOOOORAY FOR US!!!!!!! Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 May 2007 07:20:59.0139 (UTC) FILETIME=[6B80F530:01C795F8] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70182 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 07:21:01 +0000 (UTC) same for me, please! I searched for the article on the GP site, seems not available? I promiss to put the scan on my site for everyone here... thank you Matthias > > in the two page, color article about the Y2K6 International >> Live Looping Festival there was: > >would anyone be able to scan/reprophotograph the respective article and mail >it to me? Your run-of-the-mill newsstand here doesn't carry >Gearporn...uhmm...Guitar Player here. Replies offlist please. > >Thanks, > > Rainer -- ---> http://www.matthiasgrob.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 14 07:29:45 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3C95F3BECA; Mon, 14 May 2007 07:29:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 15:29:34 +0800 From: Randolf Arriola Subject: Re: HOOOOORAY FOR US!!!!!!! To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <003201c795f9$a01deea0$6e01a8c0@embryo> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=response Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <00e701c795e9$80e2e320$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70183 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 07:29:45 +0000 (UTC) Guys Guys Guys! Which moth's issue of Guitar Player is this?! My latest issue at hand is May but I dont see it there? ;( Randolf Arriola (aka the embryo) Hp 97584919 http://www.soundclick.com/bands/5/theembryo.htm http://www.myspace.com/the_embryo ----- Original Message ----- From: "RICK WALKER" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Sent: Monday, May 14, 2007 1:34 PM Subject: HOOOOORAY FOR US!!!!!!! > Just read the new Guitar Player. > > in the two page, color article about the Y2K6 International Live Looping > Festival > there was: > > ...a huge and well deserved picture of Bill Walker working his looping > gear. > > smaller but wonderful pics of Genie, Ted Killian, Kris Hartung, Carl > Weingarten, > Lucio Menegon and Joe Rut's arms and footpedals. > > a nice one of Kim Flint. a little one of me as the token drummer in > the set. > > highlight mentions of Kris Hartung's set, Per Boysens' set and Amy X's > sets. > > other mentions of Goh Nakumura, Warren Sirota, and Rainer Straschill. > > > elsewhere in the magazine was a nice profile on the songwriting approach > of > British looping vocalist, Tim Bowness > > a huge article on David Torn, his setups and processes of sound design. > > Even the cover article on groundbreaker, Andy Summers has a headline that > mentions an > echoplex (though it probaby refers to the pre-Matthias Grob/Kim Flint era > echoplex). > > All told, a fantastic looping heavy issue of a major music magazine. > > HOOOOOOOORAY FOR US!!!!!!!!!!! > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 14 07:35:22 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BB6033BED0; Mon, 14 May 2007 07:35:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=FCMscTt7hA5TsHNZS/N11cwGzaifLoWwhk5cff6AwzzlQuH8KBfeLwKEjH1V2Lq7iyrFtocVxFpFHwLlQ0S2elDjXLphxV2YvrLqD9/ClALH1Zg+d3d7Z5ENxy2CgrKgnR8oekSrNk0+0kU+C1dA2kYy2zExzJv9AMId+/C/tOo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=KjWjJN2Hg8yVD1eLRCb5jeePrQfvysC1fAjr4Gr69j/JQkc3fu98qHVH7On8MZKRgoQjh1k1oCafgjG7/Tf8LVNxFnlF4bChmCUEMl4a1a46Mrnv3UZ2DbeO4rxppFFD47qID+ARllWOXpMQvSRMt72FARvQdRcq/ZCfUU41P7s= Message-ID: Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 00:35:20 -0700 From: "Travis Hartnett" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: HOOOOORAY FOR US!!!!!!! In-Reply-To: <003201c795f9$a01deea0$6e01a8c0@embryo> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <00e701c795e9$80e2e320$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> <003201c795f9$a01deea0$6e01a8c0@embryo> Resent-Message-ID: <_CMdAB.A.GcF.6EBSGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70184 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 07:35:22 +0000 (UTC) The one with Andy Summers on the cover--June '07. On 5/14/07, Randolf Arriola wrote: > Guys Guys Guys! Which moth's issue of Guitar Player is this?! My latest > issue at hand is May but I dont see it there? ;( > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 14 07:43:01 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 646713BED0; Mon, 14 May 2007 07:43:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 15:42:40 +0800 From: Randolf Arriola Subject: Re: HOOOOORAY FOR US!!!!!!! To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <003b01c795fb$7a09eff0$6e01a8c0@embryo> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=response Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <00e701c795e9$80e2e320$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> <003201c795f9$a01deea0$6e01a8c0@embryo> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70185 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 07:43:01 +0000 (UTC) Damn! My subscription ended with the May issue! Andy ummers, David Torn, Looper's Delight! Nooooooo! (off to the news stands...) Randolf Arriola (aka the embryo) Hp 97584919 http://www.soundclick.com/bands/5/theembryo.htm http://www.myspace.com/the_embryo ----- Original Message ----- From: "Travis Hartnett" To: Sent: Monday, May 14, 2007 3:35 PM Subject: Re: HOOOOORAY FOR US!!!!!!! > The one with Andy Summers on the cover--June '07. > > On 5/14/07, Randolf Arriola wrote: >> Guys Guys Guys! Which moth's issue of Guitar Player is this?! My latest >> issue at hand is May but I dont see it there? ;( >> > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 14 08:29:28 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D4A613BECA; Mon, 14 May 2007 08:29:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.co.uk; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=xmPbOap/oahxoTvDJWpmB3v9BWO7jrtTx/dPmfK9lRPaDQMZ13Kk2bZEiEU7+YZPe/q6iLoHcmYLEJfg4jDJAmvV/pH41i88HSD1qOitBnwQ1brVBTiF8lKrwKUzmOodNowSDe33eqBzyVdNIrt993l4C+PjSosV4J3PIRHiWxo= ; Message-ID: <20070514082927.14507.qmail@web86913.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: H0rDwUcVM1mhtz3gQkTkx98Hw8yZGbfKC_EF2BiDEcoYbbgPq7.RygcedhDj4AYdfLAE6m91QixOrEcA.y8bqAsm9RFJMU2ets4HNpd3ypj4Tr.JmcpEngPUvLo- Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 09:29:27 +0100 (BST) From: kieron osullivan Subject: Re: HOOOOORAY FOR US!!!!!!! To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <00e701c795e9$80e2e320$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1329187377-1179131367=:14031" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70186 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 08:29:28 +0000 (UTC) --0-1329187377-1179131367=:14031 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit unsunscribe RICK WALKER wrote: Just read the new Guitar Player. in the two page, color article about the Y2K6 International Live Looping Festival there was: ...a huge and well deserved picture of Bill Walker working his looping gear. smaller but wonderful pics of Genie, Ted Killian, Kris Hartung, Carl Weingarten, Lucio Menegon and Joe Rut's arms and footpedals. a nice one of Kim Flint. a little one of me as the token drummer in the set. highlight mentions of Kris Hartung's set, Per Boysens' set and Amy X's sets. other mentions of Goh Nakumura, Warren Sirota, and Rainer Straschill. elsewhere in the magazine was a nice profile on the songwriting approach of British looping vocalist, Tim Bowness a huge article on David Torn, his setups and processes of sound design. Even the cover article on groundbreaker, Andy Summers has a headline that mentions an echoplex (though it probaby refers to the pre-Matthias Grob/Kim Flint era echoplex). All told, a fantastic looping heavy issue of a major music magazine. HOOOOOOOORAY FOR US!!!!!!!!!!! --------------------------------- To help you stay safe and secure online, we've developed the all new Yahoo! Security Centre. --0-1329187377-1179131367=:14031 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit unsunscribe

RICK WALKER <looppool@cruzio.com> wrote:
Just read the new Guitar Player.

in the two page, color article about the Y2K6 International Live Looping
Festival
there was:

...a huge and well deserved picture of Bill Walker working his looping
gear.

smaller but wonderful pics of Genie, Ted Killian, Kris Hartung, Carl
Weingarten,
Lucio Menegon and Joe Rut's arms and footpedals.

a nice one of Kim Flint. a little one of me as the token drummer in the
set.

highlight mentions of Kris Hartung's set, Per Boysens' set and Amy X's
sets.

other mentions of Goh Nakumura, Warren Sirota, and Rainer Straschill.


elsewhere in the magazine was a nice profile on the songwriting approach of
British looping vocalist, Tim Bowness

a huge article on David Torn, his setups and processes of sound design.

Even the cover article on groundbreaker, Andy Summers has a headline that
mentions an
echoplex (though it probaby refers to the pre-Matthias Grob/Kim Flint era
echoplex).

All told, a fantastic looping heavy issue of a major music magazine.

HOOOOOOOORAY FOR US!!!!!!!!!!!


To help you stay safe and secure online, we've developed the all new Yahoo! Security Centre. --0-1329187377-1179131367=:14031-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 14 12:48:40 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 085533BED6; Mon, 14 May 2007 12:48:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 08:48:38 -0400 From: Warren Sirota Subject: RE: HOOOOORAY FOR US!!!!!!! In-reply-to: <00e701c795e9$80e2e320$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <013301c79626$3188efd0$3702a8c0@macbookxp> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Thread-index: AceV6YG+DFqWxUnoQg+lU3oq3Vp0TwAO0DWQ References: <00e701c795e9$80e2e320$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Resent-Message-ID: <9ByzkC.A.jOH.nqFSGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70187 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 12:48:39 +0000 (UTC) Barry, if you're lurking - thanks for the *great* coverage. The spread is great, and so is the David Torn article. I like the look of the new GP. I haven't seen one in a year or two. Warren Sirota From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 14 14:13:40 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E633A3BEC5; Mon, 14 May 2007 14:13:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Scanned: with antispam and antivirus automated system at libero.it From: "Luigi Meloni" To: Subject: RE: HOOOOORAY FOR US!!!!!!! Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 16:13:35 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 In-Reply-To: <013301c79626$3188efd0$3702a8c0@macbookxp> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Thread-index: AceV6YG+DFqWxUnoQg+lU3oq3Vp0TwAO0DWQAAMchfA= Message-Id: <20070514141338.44A3F3BEB6@arsenic.violacea.com> Resent-Message-ID: <-vgee.A.3rC.T6GSGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70188 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 14:13:39 +0000 (UTC) Aaargh... Saturday my newspaper agent received the new GP (May...) Now = I'll have to wait till next month to read the article... I have ordered the last David Torn cd three weeks ago... and the Italian distributor for ECM keeps on telling me that the cd doesn't even exist = and that he doesn't even have it on the previews... And then they talk about piracy...:-( I will be forced to buy it on amazon, cdbuy or other internet vendor. Luigi -----Original Message----- From: Warren Sirota [mailto:wsirota@wsdesigns.com]=20 Sent: luned=EC 14 maggio 2007 14.49 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: HOOOOORAY FOR US!!!!!!! Barry, if you're lurking - thanks for the *great* coverage. The spread = is great, and so is the David Torn article. I like the look of the new GP. I haven't seen one in a year or two.=20 Warren Sirota From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 14 14:16:10 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 14ECA3BED5; Mon, 14 May 2007 14:16:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=PSraqtEjZLS2UtqTbmpwdDqbV9JiJAeulotf0Of227mQV1i33zV2/AL3LzPsL7a6E9EANPlWRb6oJ4pJOiKZ5mKTZYOb0YiF6PP4Xa4ufV6yJTPuvmtI6tp6xEZoMsxm5Y8rRbRqjo7QA0golOTfBTeWPz7FY3SaXMU1yU410nU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=uftQDoDa8Ntgi2khIgMt1L27z+4MDL/4OWJ6svSBDCFtU6hPbb4gd1D7bdhZ/pf1na0Kzqbk8CmcQCjHO23iQrUbndfZkPRximafE1MYJK98ujlqDeTHTMlr54briQrlWqx7Mt/K/K7P7BiyAd8WO6C9POEhJybSfWUp9U+5Ck0= Message-ID: Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 07:16:05 -0700 From: "Travis Hartnett" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: HOOOOORAY FOR US!!!!!!! In-Reply-To: <20070514141338.44A3F3BEB6@arsenic.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <013301c79626$3188efd0$3702a8c0@macbookxp> <20070514141338.44A3F3BEB6@arsenic.violacea.com> Resent-Message-ID: <1CRzWB.A.D3C.p8GSGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70189 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 14:16:10 +0000 (UTC) Ah--finally the answer to where in the world does the cover date on the magazine actually match the calendar, instead of being three months out of sync: Italy. On 5/14/07, Luigi Meloni wrote: > Aaargh... Saturday my newspaper agent received the new GP (May...) Now I'll > have to wait till next month to read the article... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 14 15:19:09 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 68ACB3BECC; Mon, 14 May 2007 15:19:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:content-transfer-encoding:message-id:content-type:to:from:subject:date:x-mailer; b=gWagPxIsxbHzBQjlB/MsqRK+OxVUvXnsn5UnfZlIECr++QbUjt+l69/JvMaqWbTxwrbVKuItIQMaVYoaTt+IPVfezEKar9xgl1qf16h3XhFTzraFbhWeA8+v0YGoehVMoNVaZ/DFMBBCY//lOMfnuaaUIhGTTjMvEus+IgUhfqs= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:mime-version:content-transfer-encoding:message-id:content-type:to:from:subject:date:x-mailer; b=HnzbZ1YKAWbzU6Sa31ERJ5RsWbyLoq1mT7+sZVcHl32NDt+SIX6ijXwejIeXVaHtkPIDWOxnB88CnI3HVU5Eb6Fzgx4REOWfOhWzmuLiJiAMvvxW8WXzOlR2C2mcYGmqxgyHCys1OqIsC7pdrwdGZ4i8TRkZhtCQUvTcFqG2os0= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <8FCA9F57-BC93-42B6-8D7D-741628F52EE1@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: RP Collier Subject: minimalist ambient something or other Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 08:19:06 -0700 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: <9UW3lB.A.lvF.t3HSGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70190 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 15:19:09 +0000 (UTC) Even though I don't have a video camera, Rick Walker's lofi minimal work http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=looppool inspired me to make videos. The latest installment, I uploaded a minimalist video in 2 versions, same video with different soundtracks: Turbulency http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YduG4pEej0o Turbulency v.2 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2IZ0GWETM4c The first version uses a Kaoss Pad and is looped in Ableton Live using 2 clips of different lengths so the way they line up changes over time. The second version is also looped in Ableton Live using a LIve filter delay. Impressions on which version works better are welcome. regards BobC http://tinyurl.com/yt8f8j http://tinyurl.com/cr25j http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2IZ0GWETM4c From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 14 15:22:03 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1D9E33BEC2; Mon, 14 May 2007 15:22:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <709027696.1179156118066.JavaMail.root@fepweb06> Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 8:21:58 -0700 From: =?utf-8?Q?tEd_=C2=AE_kiLLiAn?= To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: AW: HOOOOORAY FOR US!!!!!!! Cc: Matthias Grob MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Sensitivity: Normal X-Originating-IP: from 66.169.241.110 by mail.charter.net; Mon, 14 May 2007 11:21:57 -0400 X-Chzlrs: 0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70191 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 15:22:03 +0000 (UTC) Matthias, Hi there. Since my own subscription to Guitar Player expired with May's iss= ue=20 as well, it would be most appreciated if you's share the link of this scann= ed=20 copy with the rest of us when it becomes available. There aren't any decent newsstands that seem to have it locally for me either. -- tEd =C2=AE kiLLiAn "Different is not always better, but better is always different" Flux Aeterna: http://phobos.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewAlbum?p= layListId=3D6378076=20 http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073 http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314 http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193 http://www.loopers-delight.com/cgi-bin/profiles.cgi?step=3Dview_profile&id= =3D121197000042 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So??? ---- Matthias Grob wrote:=20 > same for me, please! > I searched for the article on the GP site, seems not available? >=20 > I promiss to put the scan on my site for everyone here... >=20 > thank you > Matthias >=20 > > > in the two page, color article about the Y2K6 International > >> Live Looping Festival there was: > > > >would anyone be able to scan/reprophotograph the respective article and = mail > >it to me? Your run-of-the-mill newsstand here doesn't carry > >Gearporn...uhmm...Guitar Player here. Replies offlist please. > > > >Thanks, > > > >=09Rainer >=20 >=20 > --=20 >=20 >=20 > ---> http://www.matthiasgrob.com >=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 14 16:24:05 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 487343BED2; Mon, 14 May 2007 16:24:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=dduEg9h9D0/5o/o8DLNF4UL4kCAMWGxeFsV5hBTvMjji6oQVzSBOsWcwhOMha2BncbC4RU90PhPzu965aBNSPrP9vYP9Cug+YTKqrnQbRoWBOB2WWhzQxIS0QjXgTS3ZxZapr4Ud9tefvTDWshubnKCi0nEEu5Pf/Z2/K1738Uo=; X-YMail-OSG: HCNN.xgVM1n34VhAiZNamZjBmgQ2r7efClsT4vkmnJ1gLMERGG5lsr4ZPQqgkH5EDw-- X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/651.23 YahooMailWebService/0.7.41.10 Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 09:24:04 -0700 (PDT) From: Drew Rittgers Subject: Oberheim EDP Issue To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1533901685-1179159844=:49150" Message-ID: <340288.49150.qm@web60219.mail.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70192 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 16:24:05 +0000 (UTC) --0-1533901685-1179159844=:49150 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ascii Hi, I am new to this list and posting because of a question I have. My EDP is resetting itself whenever I hit the record button. Has anyone here experienced this? What is the best way to go about solving the problem? Any input is greatly appreciated. Thanks, Drew ____________________________________________________________________________________Sick sense of humor? Visit Yahoo! TV's Comedy with an Edge to see what's on, when. http://tv.yahoo.com/collections/222 --0-1533901685-1179159844=:49150 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ascii
Hi, I am new to this list and posting because of a question I have.  My EDP is resetting itself whenever I hit the record button.  Has anyone here experienced this?  What is the best way to go about solving the problem?  Any input is greatly appreciated.

Thanks,

Drew

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Auto Green Center. --0-1533901685-1179159844=:49150-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 14 18:20:01 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C4BEE3BED0; Mon, 14 May 2007 18:20:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=qqcUo/DJA/RbIbNc80D1pmVdIyrdyvQH4lImjBih+GnfnMB47sq3FUBQYtbkdcwp; h=Received:Date:Subject:Content-Type:Mime-Version:From:To:In-Reply-To:Message-Id:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 11:29:16 -0700 Subject: Re: Oberheim EDP Issue Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-2--1003306775 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v553) From: Sheila Olson To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <340288.49150.qm@web60219.mail.yahoo.com> Message-Id: <0561820D-0249-11DC-8AF4-000393CA38DE@earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.553) X-ELNK-Trace: 573b2ac3a2420bc9f258f48946e2642d9ef193a6bfc3dd482ca1c7307ecacdf5259cd6a2daa6006d1a036a86675380a6350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 69.3.183.126 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70193 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 18:20:01 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-2--1003306775 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Welcome to the list Drew. If you are using the foot controller when this happens, there is a good=20= chance you have a bad foot switch record button. I'm sure that within a few hours someone on this list can provide you=20 with a link to procure a new one, or you might try to search the LD archives. joe On Monday, May 14, 2007, at 09:24 AM, Drew Rittgers wrote: > Hi, I am new to this list and posting because of a question I have.=A0=20= > My EDP is resetting itself whenever I hit the record button.=A0 Has=20 > anyone here experienced this?=A0 What is the best way to go about=20 > solving the problem?=A0 Any input is greatly appreciated. > > Thanks, > > Drew > > > Park yourself in front of a world of choices in alternative vehicles. > Visit the Yahoo! Auto Green Center.= --Apple-Mail-2--1003306775 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=ISO-8859-1 Welcome to the list Drew. If you are using the foot controller when this happens, there is a good chance you have a bad foot switch record button. I'm sure that within a few hours someone on this list can provide you with a link to procure a new one, or you might try to=20 search the LD archives. joe On Monday, May 14, 2007, at 09:24 AM, Drew Rittgers wrote: Hi, I am new to this list and posting because of a question I have.=A0 My EDP is resetting itself whenever I hit the record button.=A0 Has anyone here experienced this?=A0 What is the best way to go about solving the problem?=A0 Any input is greatly appreciated. Thanks, Drew < Park yourself in front of a world of choices in alternative vehicles. 1999,1999,FFFFVisit the Yahoo! Auto Green Center.= --Apple-Mail-2--1003306775-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 14 18:23:49 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 28AC13BEDB; Mon, 14 May 2007 18:23:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=beXTvpQtE9zxfD/vb2M/f3m9grf5u5ehh21C29VqusXg4vvLNN1+JjniV9+6PZFF; h=Received:Date:Subject:Content-Type:Mime-Version:From:To:In-Reply-To:Message-Id:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 11:33:03 -0700 Subject: Re: Oberheim EDP Issue Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-4--1003078983 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v553) From: Sheila Olson To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <340288.49150.qm@web60219.mail.yahoo.com> Message-Id: <8D27D2B8-0249-11DC-8AF4-000393CA38DE@earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.553) X-ELNK-Trace: 573b2ac3a2420bc9f258f48946e2642d9ef193a6bfc3dd482ca1c7307ecacdf51c031b97f986c9871e3821db987f1b31350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 69.3.183.126 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70194 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 18:23:49 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-4--1003078983 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; delsp=yes; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Hi Drew, I found this link from a old post. order a new switch, mouser #10PA005, here: http://www.mouser.com/=20 index.cfm?handler=3Dproductsearch._listproductsearch&searchtype=3Dstarts+w= it=20 h&criteria=3D10PA005&searchby=3DPartNumber&x=3D13&y=3D8 On Monday, May 14, 2007, at 09:24 AM, Drew Rittgers wrote: > Hi, I am new to this list and posting because of a question I have.=A0 = =20 > My EDP is resetting itself whenever I hit the record button.=A0 Has =20= > anyone here experienced this?=A0 What is the best way to go about =20 > solving the problem?=A0 Any input is greatly appreciated. > > Thanks, > > Drew > > > Park yourself in front of a world of choices in alternative vehicles. > Visit the Yahoo! Auto Green Center.= --Apple-Mail-4--1003078983 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hi Drew, I found this link from a old post. order a new switch, mouser #10PA005, here: = http://www.mouser.com/index.cfm?handler=3Dproductsearch._listproductsearch= &searchtype=3Dstarts+with&criteria=3D10PA005&searchby=3DPartNumber&x=3D13&= y=3D8 On Monday, May 14, 2007, at 09:24 AM, Drew Rittgers wrote: Hi, I am new to this list and posting because of a question I have.=A0 My EDP is resetting itself whenever I hit the record button.=A0 Has anyone here experienced this?=A0 What is the best way to go about solving the problem?=A0 Any input is greatly appreciated. Thanks, Drew < Park yourself in front of a world of choices in alternative vehicles. 1999,1999,FFFFVisit the Yahoo! Auto Green Center.= --Apple-Mail-4--1003078983-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 14 19:28:15 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E1A323BED0; Mon, 14 May 2007 19:28:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4648B850.7030301@biink.com> Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 15:28:16 -0400 From: David Beardsley Reply-To: db@biink.com Organization: Biink & SSI User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2 (Windows/20050317) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: AW: HOOOOORAY FOR US!!!!!!! References: <709027696.1179156118066.JavaMail.root@fepweb06> In-Reply-To: <709027696.1179156118066.JavaMail.root@fepweb06> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70195 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 19:28:15 +0000 (UTC) Great...nobody really reads the dam thing...except for me. I bought my copy a few days ago. loopy, loopy, loop... -- * David Beardsley * microtonal guitar * http://biink.com/db From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 14 19:30:59 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A22253BEDA; Mon, 14 May 2007 19:30:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4648B8EB.9010207@mhorse.com> Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 14:30:51 -0500 From: Daryl Shawn User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.10 (Windows/20070221) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: HOOOOORAY FOR US!!!!!!! References: <00e701c795e9$80e2e320$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> In-Reply-To: <00e701c795e9$80e2e320$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70196 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 19:30:59 +0000 (UTC) So awesome this is. Kudos all round all round! Can't wait to see it. "token drummer"...hehe. Daryl Shawn www.swanwelder.com www.chinapaintingmusic.com > Just read the new Guitar Player. > > in the two page, color article about the Y2K6 International Live > Looping Festival > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 14 19:46:39 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9F72B3BED5; Mon, 14 May 2007 19:46:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=1lsjYIya4kVcNYnO3R85/NowIBfpVdeGixFzM3KZZsfCgOW3vcjfAXLSg8VOwyAjcv6vKR6YBVtiwZpfjA0bbj8O2ZuebpVqJNCGdadPzHZqBIPKvWXxym+shjIWDWnKrb04bGb2JcNkEIYkqtmCT4Ve/yA6fGp1bLkoSl/WV+g=; X-YMail-OSG: dZGQ638VM1nUYsAbSGYR.dYHusC1lz1z68itfVpIvQ2isxoYwluUlVFCqzTAQ0RUgQ-- X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/651.23 YahooMailWebService/0.7.41.10 Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 12:46:36 -0700 (PDT) From: Drew Rittgers Subject: Re: Oberheim EDP Issue To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-700608828-1179171996=:46150" Message-ID: <354181.46150.qm@web60220.mail.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70197 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 19:46:39 +0000 (UTC) --0-700608828-1179171996=:46150 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ascii Thanks much, I'll check it out. It happens whether I use the foot switch or not. If I use the footswitch it also makes a horrifying sound. Drew ----- Original Message ---- From: Sheila Olson To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Sent: Monday, May 14, 2007 1:29:16 PM Subject: Re: Oberheim EDP Issue Welcome to the list Drew. If you are using the foot controller when this happens, there is a good chance you have a bad foot switch record button. I'm sure that within a few hours someone on this list can provide you with a link to procure a new one, or you might try to search the LD archives. joe On Monday, May 14, 2007, at 09:24 AM, Drew Rittgers wrote: > Hi, I am new to this list and posting because of a question I have. > My EDP is resetting itself whenever I hit the record button. Has > anyone here experienced this? What is the best way to go about > solving the problem? Any input is greatly appreciated. > > Thanks, > > Drew > > > Park yourself in front of a world of choices in alternative vehicles. > Visit the Yahoo! Auto Green Center. Welcome to the list Drew. If you are using the foot controller when this happens, there is a good chance you have a bad foot switch record button. I'm sure that within a few hours someone on this list can provide you with a link to procure a new one, or you might try to search the LD archives. joe On Monday, May 14, 2007, at 09:24 AM, Drew Rittgers wrote: Hi, I am new to this list and posting because of a question I have. My EDP is resetting itself whenever I hit the record button. Has anyone here experienced this? What is the best way to go about solving the problem? Any input is greatly appreciated. Thanks, Drew < Park yourself in front of a world of choices in alternative vehicles. 1999,1999,FFFFVisit the Yahoo! Auto Green Center. ____________________________________________________________________________________Sick sense of humor? Visit Yahoo! TV's Comedy with an Edge to see what's on, when. http://tv.yahoo.com/collections/222 --0-700608828-1179171996=:46150 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ascii
Thanks much, I'll check it out.  It happens whether I use the foot switch or not.  If I use the footswitch it also makes a horrifying sound.

Drew

----- Original Message ----
From: Sheila Olson <onelonecrow@earthlink.net>
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Sent: Monday, May 14, 2007 1:29:16 PM
Subject: Re: Oberheim EDP Issue

Welcome to the list Drew.

If you are using the foot controller when this happens, there is a good
chance you have a bad foot switch record button.
I'm sure that within a few hours someone on this list can provide you
with a link to procure a new one, or you might try to
search the LD archives.


                 joe


On Monday, May 14, 2007, at 09:24 AM, Drew Rittgers wrote:

> Hi, I am new to this list and posting because of a question I have. 
> My EDP is resetting itself whenever I hit the record button.  Has
> anyone here experienced this?  What is the best way to go about
> solving the problem?  Any input is greatly appreciated.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Drew
>
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>
> Park yourself in front of a world of choices in alternative vehicles.
> Visit the Yahoo! Auto Green Center.
Welcome to the list Drew.


If you are using the foot controller when this happens, there is a
good chance you have a bad foot switch record button.

I'm sure that within a few hours someone on this list can provide you
with a link to procure a new one, or you might try to

search the LD archives.



                joe



On Monday, May 14, 2007, at 09:24 AM, Drew Rittgers wrote:


<excerpt>Hi, I am new to this list and posting because of a question I
have.  My EDP is resetting itself whenever I hit the record button. 
Has anyone here experienced this?  What is the best way to go about
solving the problem?  Any input is greatly appreciated.


Thanks,


Drew


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Park yourself in front of a world of choices in alternative vehicles.

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Got a little couch potato?
Check out fun summer activities for kids. --0-700608828-1179171996=:46150-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 14 19:48:33 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DC14E3BEDD; Mon, 14 May 2007 19:48:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=UGDO23QhwhWor2RjybXYRZF86cc7aLswQFQP3o01korTnlta4Ifx8YLCUuhW4c8gcCCJpTwzDj3BKVxWrHVdcBPgjX36+Ogq55Buf/Y/eptV7Ono1iv7OVORdLZXUjORQVsC5TS8nLPTceKqn1RbDofMOoiSD+j4FlAlDeuQFuE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=mCMgAncQSMhm3dh659/42XtrR8e46dCk5QemJRi4wHBdxNPephaUID3HoYGUYA+0FtbMz5ekYrtwgRKfs4voRc/OaqpoE8MamnQ+cYtzOiXYX/Z2cTIKbN3E1LKIG9cAq2vgKLV3cMVdsnq6oMnqzsBttpMUK98R9+y6Y6e32lw= Message-ID: Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 14:48:31 -0500 From: "Doug Cox" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: HOOOOORAY FOR US!!!!!!! In-Reply-To: <4648B8EB.9010207@mhorse.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_128263_17404681.1179172111660" References: <00e701c795e9$80e2e320$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> <4648B8EB.9010207@mhorse.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70198 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 19:48:33 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_128263_17404681.1179172111660 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Congratulations guys! I haven't seen it yet, but I'll find one this week. Haven't been even lurking (much less posting) in a while, but I peeked back in today... and here's what I find! :) :wave: ------=_Part_128263_17404681.1179172111660 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Congratulations guys! 

I haven't seen it yet, but I'll find one this week.

Haven't been even lurking (much less posting) in a while, but I peeked back in today... and here's what I find! :)

:wave:
------=_Part_128263_17404681.1179172111660-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 14 21:03:59 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A772B3BECF; Mon, 14 May 2007 21:03:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <380-22007511421356483@M2W010.mail2web.com> X-Priority: 3 Reply-To: qua@oregon.com X-Originating-IP: 134.134.136.1 X-URL: http://mail2web.com/ From: "qua@oregon.com" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 17:03:56 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: minimalist ambient something or other Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70199 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 21:03:59 +0000 (UTC) Love the minimalistic video/audio ! from both you and Rick ! thanks -Qua Original Message: ----------------- From: RP Collier skeptikalist@gmail=2Ecom Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 08:19:06 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight=2Ecom Subject: minimalist ambient something or other Even though I don't have a video camera, Rick Walker's lofi minimal work http://www=2Eyoutube=2Ecom/profile=3Fuser=3Dlooppool inspired me to make videos=2E The latest installment, I uploaded a minimalist video in 2 versions, =20 same video with different soundtracks: Turbulency http://www=2Eyoutube=2Ecom/watch=3Fv=3DYduG4pEej0o Turbulency v=2E2 http://www=2Eyoutube=2Ecom/watch=3Fv=3D2IZ0GWETM4c The first version uses a Kaoss Pad and is looped in Ableton Live =20 using 2 clips of different lengths so the way they line up changes =20 over time=2E The second version is also looped in Ableton Live using a LIve filter =20 delay=2E Impressions on which version works better are welcome=2E regards BobC http://tinyurl=2Ecom/yt8f8j http://tinyurl=2Ecom/cr25j http://www=2Eyoutube=2Ecom/watch=3Fv=3D2IZ0GWETM4c -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web LIVE =96 Free email based on Microsoft=AE Exchange technology - http://link=2Email2web=2Ecom/LIVE From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 14 22:44:45 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1C25B3BED5; Mon, 14 May 2007 22:44:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <006601c79679$76fa68c0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "RICK WALKER" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: KUDOS to BARRY CLEVELAND Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 15:44:43 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.1 required=1.0 tests=AWL autolearn=disabled version=3.1.7 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.7 (2006-10-05) on mail.cruzio.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70200 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 22:44:45 +0000 (UTC) I was so excited reading the new Guitar Player magazine that I completely forgot to congratulate and thank Barry Cleveland, the wonderful author of the article. I am so remiss! It's so cool to have a really good journalist who is also a really good live looping guitarist. We got double lucky at Y2K6. We added another talented member and we got an excellently written article on the affair. Thanks so much Barry. You are so talented and we are so lucky to have you in our community. Please forgive me for failing to mention your name in my first post!!!!!!! please come play the festival again this year! yours, Rick Walker Y2K7 International Live Looping Festival organizer From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 15 00:33:18 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 120B53BED2; Tue, 15 May 2007 00:33:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at cavesofice.org Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 20:33:15 -0400 (EDT) From: burnett@pobox.com X-X-Sender: badger@giggles.cavesofice.org To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: more looped tuba examples from Ouroboros Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70201 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 00:33:18 +0000 (UTC) Spent some time working with my friend David Morris the tuba player yesterday on our live-looped tuba project we call Ouroboros. We have some new samples to share. The Face of the Waters - 16min34sec http://www.subscapeannex.com/tuba/the_face_of_the_waters.mp3 Walking With Belgrand - An evening stroll underground with the architect of the epic Parisian sewer system. - 19min19sec http://www.subscapeannex.com/tuba/walking_with_belgrand.mp3 Circus of the Rat Catchers - 10min55sec http://www.subscapeannex.com/tuba/circus_of_the_rat_catchers.mp3 All tracks recorded live, all source audio live-sampled tuba, no post-processing or layering other than cleaning noise using SoundSoap. best, Steve Burnett Subscape Annex http://www.subscapeannex.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 15 01:03:17 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B1E6F3BEDB; Tue, 15 May 2007 01:03:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=rKX425Te6GykWBnhHjvwB7rdyE8fQq9CW9TZ6pQdlbHbRNb1lddPMzMr9Nw8y9Dv; h=Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:To:Subject:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Message-ID: <12358644.1179190996615.JavaMail.root@elwamui-hound.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 21:03:16 -0400 (EDT) From: stanitarium@earthlink.net Reply-To: stanitarium@earthlink.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: more looped tuba examples from Ouroboros Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: EarthLink Zoo Mail 1.0 X-ELNK-Trace: e4eaaa48e0468cfae77aa5cb369a9f3f9ef193a6bfc3dd48d0f01ff295be523561b68975336cd47378c914e01878b5fc350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.224.34 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70202 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 01:03:17 +0000 (UTC) o mon deux!-i heart this subboktive stuff-right up my alley. of course you probably know there is a band w/ the name and the drone band of yesteryear .earth. have a new record called and the 1st song is titled thanx for posting such great soundd. s > >Spent some time working with my friend David Morris the tuba player >yesterday on our live-looped tuba project we call Ouroboros. >We have some new samples to share. >The Face of the Waters - 16min34sec >http://www.subscapeannex.com/tuba/the_face_of_the_waters.mp3 >Walking With Belgrand - An evening stroll underground with the architect >of the epic Parisian sewer system. - 19min19sec >http://www.subscapeannex.com/tuba/walking_with_belgrand.mp3 >Circus of the Rat Catchers - 10min55sec >http://www.subscapeannex.com/tuba/circus_of_the_rat_catchers.mp3 >All tracks recorded live, all source audio live-sampled tuba, no >post-processing or layering other than cleaning noise using SoundSoap. >best, >Steve Burnett >Subscape Annex http://www.subscapeannex.com/ > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 15 01:20:26 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7E0343BECD; Tue, 15 May 2007 01:20:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4648D454.3010106@addcom.de> Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 23:27:48 +0200 From: Stefan Tiedje User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.0 (Macintosh/20070326) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: microphone: a professional percussionist replies References: <011e01c79488$8b0ebb10$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> <086801c7949b$d800a0b0$2cb0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <4646DAFC.10208@tiscali.co.uk> <02FED5A9-B5D7-47EC-ADA3-38721A9625FF@venetowest.com> In-Reply-To: <02FED5A9-B5D7-47EC-ADA3-38721A9625FF@venetowest.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70203 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 01:20:26 +0000 (UTC) Ronan Chris Murphy schrieb: > Not sure what you mean about even phase response, do you mean off > axis response? The phase response is how much the phase of a sine wave you feed in is offset compared to the input. If the phase response isn't flat, its a bit like different (very short) delay times for different frequencies. It will colour the sound and it will change the transients, either wash them out or enhance them (always the former... ;-) > No, but I have never seen too much of the appeal, but that said, > being on stage is about 5% of my life. I mostly make records. But condensers never make a problem in the studio... They have less of their own sound, you have to colour them to your own taste with your equalisers, you can't rely on the famous SM57 preset sound of your mike though... I am very happy about a pair of audiotechnica condensers, I use them live and in the studio and also for recording concerts. At the time I was getting those they where the cheapest condensers around. And even the most critical ears never complained when I used those instead of a Neumann... Stefan -- Stefan Tiedje------------x------- --_____-----------|-------------- --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()------- -- _|_)----|-----()-------------- ----------()--------www.ccmix.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 15 01:22:56 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 49AE53BED5; Tue, 15 May 2007 01:22:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [4.246.3.1] X-Originating-Email: [sambacomet@hotmail.com] X-Sender: sambacomet@hotmail.com From: "samba -" Subject: John Cage on I've got a secret Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 18:22:51 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 May 2007 01:22:53.0954 (UTC) FILETIME=[8FBFA620:01C7968F] To: undisclosed-recipients: ; Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70204 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 01:22:56 +0000 (UTC) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSulycqZH-U _________________________________________________________________ Catch suspicious messages before you open them—with Windows Live Hotmail. http://imagine-windowslive.com/hotmail/?locale=en-us&ocid=TXT_TAGHM_migration_HM_mini_protection_0507 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 15 01:31:48 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2EB463BEDB; Tue, 15 May 2007 01:31:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at cavesofice.org Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 21:31:36 -0400 (EDT) From: burnett@pobox.com X-X-Sender: badger@giggles.cavesofice.org To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: [LOOP] Re: more looped tuba examples from Ouroboros In-Reply-To: <12358644.1179190996615.JavaMail.root@elwamui-hound.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: References: <12358644.1179190996615.JavaMail.root@elwamui-hound.atl.sa.earthlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <9NE-Y.A.z9F.B2QSGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70205 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 01:31:47 +0000 (UTC) On Mon, 14 May 2007, stanitarium@earthlink.net wrote: > o mon deux!-i heart this subboktive stuff-right up my alley. > of course you probably know there is a band w/ the name Hmm, interesting. *googles* Which one are you thinking of? http://www.ouroborosband.blogspot.com/ http://www.gratefulfamily.com/ouroboros.htm A third? > and the drone band of yesteryear .earth. have a new record called and the 1st song is titled > thanx for posting such great soundd. > s I like Earth. I like Sunn a lot as well. I don't have the new Earth album, thanks for mentioning it: I should go shopping now. I'm glad you like the samples, and thanks for letting me know you do. Older stuff I've posted is on the website http://www.subscapeannex.com/ouroboros best, Steve B Subscape Annex http://www.subscapeannex.com/ > >> >> Spent some time working with my friend David Morris the tuba player >> yesterday on our live-looped tuba project we call Ouroboros. >> We have some new samples to share. >> The Face of the Waters - 16min34sec >> http://www.subscapeannex.com/tuba/the_face_of_the_waters.mp3 >> Walking With Belgrand - An evening stroll underground with the architect >> of the epic Parisian sewer system. - 19min19sec >> http://www.subscapeannex.com/tuba/walking_with_belgrand.mp3 >> Circus of the Rat Catchers - 10min55sec >> http://www.subscapeannex.com/tuba/circus_of_the_rat_catchers.mp3 >> All tracks recorded live, all source audio live-sampled tuba, no >> post-processing or layering other than cleaning noise using SoundSoap. >> best, >> Steve Burnett >> Subscape Annex http://www.subscapeannex.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 15 02:06:36 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E3C583BED5; Tue, 15 May 2007 02:06:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Originating-IP: [207.90.215.123] X-Identified-User: {864:box76.bluehost.com:kevinkis:kevinkissinger.com} {sentby:webmail from 207.90.215.123} Message-ID: <20070514210633.i8m1hmp94c8wsoks@69.89.21.76> Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 21:06:33 -0500 From: kkissinger@kevinkissinger.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: microphone: a professional percussionist replies References: <011e01c79488$8b0ebb10$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> <086801c7949b$d800a0b0$2cb0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <4646DAFC.10208@tiscali.co.uk> <02FED5A9-B5D7-47EC-ADA3-38721A9625FF@venetowest.com> <4648D454.3010106@addcom.de> In-Reply-To: <4648D454.3010106@addcom.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.3) Resent-Message-ID: <8U7a4B.A.Yh.sWRSGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70206 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 02:06:36 +0000 (UTC) Quoting Stefan Tiedje : > I am very happy about a pair of audiotechnica condensers, I use them > live and in the studio and also for recording concerts. At the time I > was getting those they where the cheapest condensers around. And even > the most critical ears never complained when I used those instead of a > Neumann... > > Stefan Earlier in this thread, someone mentioned the Paia m/s mic. Well, I =20 happen to own one of them myself. I also own a pair of AKG C1000s mics. (Most of my recording is =20 direct, without mics, so I don't have a ton of 'em!) The Paia mic is surprizingly good. The sound is transparent and, as =20 one expects from an m/s mic, has "dead accurate" stereo placement. The AKG's have remarkable presence (the high-end condensor mic boost) =20 and when used for distant sound sources (i.e. pipe organs or =20 ensembles) they manage to deliver a crisp sound. The Paia tends to do the opposite -- the sound is still clean however =20 the sound is a little more (for lack of a better term) "spacial or =20 ambient" -- an ideal mic for nature recordings or for capturing the =20 ambience of spaces. I've never really considered the Paia m/s for a looping application. =20 However, it opens a few doors that I can think of: 1) for stereo loops, you can move around the mic and place sounds in =20 the stereo mix in an accurate and spontaneous manner. 2) the Paia m/s mic has stellar rejection of sounds that are behind =20 the mic. If your floor monitors and main cabs are in front of the mic =20 the mic will pretty much wipe out sound coming from behind it. I look forward to some experiments with the m/s mic. For certian =20 applications, it may be just right! The only "downside" is that the m/s mike doesn't handle HUGE spl's -- =20 to tight mike a loud tom or foot drum with the m/s mic may not be all =20 that successful. It may work fine miking the entire drum set from =20 above, though. I just recently recorded some pipe organ music to accompany a few =20 scenes in an upcoming motion picture -- we ended up using the tracks =20 recorded with the m/s mic because of the stereo seperation -- the =20 result sounded as though the organ was spread out from left to right =20 however their remained enough of a hole in the middle for screen dialog. Now, I doubt of anyone's going to trade in their Neuman mics for the =20 Paia mic however I have found the Paia m/s to be a handy tool to have =20 around. -- Kevin From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 15 02:37:09 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4145A3BEDA; Tue, 15 May 2007 02:37:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4648D489.7060406@addcom.de> Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 23:28:41 +0200 From: Stefan Tiedje User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.0 (Macintosh/20070326) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: HOOOOORAY FOR US!!!!!!! References: <20070514141338.44A3F3BEB6@arsenic.violacea.com> In-Reply-To: <20070514141338.44A3F3BEB6@arsenic.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70207 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 02:37:09 +0000 (UTC) Luigi Meloni schrieb: > I will be forced to buy it on amazon, cdbuy or other internet vendor. This reminds me, when I was looking for BLUE, even Fnac the biggest record store in Paris wouldn't have it and the personel even had never heard of Bill Bruford in their life... 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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 15 03:44:16 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1587A3BEDD; Tue, 15 May 2007 03:44:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4648D477.9030304@addcom.de> Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 23:28:23 +0200 From: Stefan Tiedje User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.0 (Macintosh/20070326) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: HOOOOORAY FOR US!!!!!!! References: <00e701c795e9$80e2e320$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> <003201c795f9$a01deea0$6e01a8c0@embryo> <003b01c795fb$7a09eff0$6e01a8c0@embryo> In-Reply-To: <003b01c795fb$7a09eff0$6e01a8c0@embryo> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70208 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 03:44:16 +0000 (UTC) Randolf Arriola schrieb: > Damn! My subscription ended with the May issue! Andy ummers, David Torn, > Looper's Delight! Nooooooo! (off to the news stands...) They monitor the unsubscribers, and try to fit their need exactly to get you hooked again... ;-) But don't get fooled, just buy the one... Stefan -- Stefan Tiedje------------x------- --_____-----------|-------------- --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()------- -- _|_)----|-----()-------------- ----------()--------www.ccmix.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 15 03:49:16 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CF79B3BEE2; Tue, 15 May 2007 03:49:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <46492DB4.5030205@mhorse.com> Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 22:49:08 -0500 From: Daryl Shawn User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.10 (Windows/20070221) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: HOOOOORAY FOR US!!!!!!! References: <00e701c795e9$80e2e320$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> <003201c795f9$a01deea0$6e01a8c0@embryo> <003b01c795fb$7a09eff0$6e01a8c0@embryo> <4648D477.9030304@addcom.de> In-Reply-To: <4648D477.9030304@addcom.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70209 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 03:49:16 +0000 (UTC) I always found GP to be the best guitar-oriented publication, the others (Guitar World, et al) are jokes aimed at 14-year-olds and Guitar Center employees, IMNSHO. I'm quite glad they were the ones to cover the Loopfest (though I think they're the only ones that would). hell, GP put Nels Cline on the cover last year. And a David Torn article in 1987 led me to buy "Cloud About Mercury", which had all kinds of repercussions. Daryl Shawn www.swanwelder.com www.chinapaintingmusic.com > But don't get fooled, just buy the one... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 15 05:02:06 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4929A3BEE1; Tue, 15 May 2007 05:02:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <46493EC6.30100@mhorse.com> Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 00:01:58 -0500 From: Daryl Shawn User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.10 (Windows/20070221) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Looptopia References: <011e01c79488$8b0ebb10$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> <086801c7949b$d800a0b0$2cb0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <4646DAFC.10208@tiscali.co.uk> <02FED5A9-B5D7-47EC-ADA3-38721A9625FF@venetowest.com> <4648D454.3010106@addcom.de> <20070514210633.i8m1hmp94c8wsoks@69.89.21.76> In-Reply-To: <20070514210633.i8m1hmp94c8wsoks@69.89.21.76> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <76E1PC.A.7WD.N7TSGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70210 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 05:02:06 +0000 (UTC) Any Chicago residents here? Why do they toy with us - "Looptopia", in the the Loop neighborhood, and nary a looper in sight? http://www.chicagoloopalliance.com/looptopia/index.htm The best part though - "Miss Looptopia"! Rick, think we need a pageant this year... Daryl Shawn www.swanwelder.com www.chinapaintingmusic.om From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 15 07:04:47 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1B8863BED9; Tue, 15 May 2007 07:04:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=Z5eADbOWDtyWqVLSc6swu5bsuHzJS4NXU7cxcNKw+fKb6Z+5gQGPn+gg9QdR7BZlIRQFoLvOFLb2vGie+955RDVIMJnRr3ENqhTzUTp38vspaKy76k2yP+W5Yat+4tuujuz5+oyFx8DIZ6SHajmcOfyIMWkYp805oRXKkvj5vPA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=f1mLh+H0WZHcXbkYGbkDMZY7arvlQAb6xgVZTWFHYnCBQKjberHHzhlhKDNIqXho8sGzpJ5gcuQzkaCEIfpsBf7R6FKn34f8tmpMWKcrsRStcMqfM9YwAteJkVm06lZ8aBoTy7cwzml5B67so2Si4MeN8rBVILWTwNygMQrWfBM= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <8A532113-8171-47EC-89AF-19B7AFAA1D1B@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: more looped tuba examples from Ouroboros Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 09:04:40 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70211 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 07:04:47 +0000 (UTC) On 15 maj 2007, at 02.33, burnett@pobox.com wrote: > The Face of the Waters - 16min34sec > http://www.subscapeannex.com/tuba/the_face_of_the_waters.mp3 > > Walking With Belgrand - An evening stroll underground with the > architect of the epic Parisian sewer system. - 19min19sec > http://www.subscapeannex.com/tuba/walking_with_belgrand.mp3 > > Circus of the Rat Catchers - 10min55sec > http://www.subscapeannex.com/tuba/circus_of_the_rat_catchers.mp3 > > All tracks recorded live, all source audio live-sampled tuba, no > post-processing or layering other than cleaning noise using SoundSoap. Fantastic! How did you catch that sound? Would you mind give out a little more information, please? Mic placement? Harmonizer? Filter? Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://www.myspace.com/looproom http://www.jamendo.com/en/artist/per.boysen/ http://www.jamendo.com/en/artist/lo.fi.lazer/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 15 08:26:33 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 99B7C3BECC; Tue, 15 May 2007 08:26:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AgAAACQLSUbUSnILk2dsb2JhbACQAAIBAQcGCAwfn28 Message-ID: <46496EC0.2020207@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 09:26:40 +0100 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: microphone: a professional percussionist replies References: <011e01c79488$8b0ebb10$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> <086801c7949b$d800a0b0$2cb0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <4646DAFC.10208@tiscali.co.uk> <09d101c79569$6f3b7220$2cb0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> In-Reply-To: <09d101c79569$6f3b7220$2cb0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70212 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 08:26:33 +0000 (UTC) Krispen Hartung wrote: > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "andy butler" >> >> (was it Kris who wrote?) >>>> It irritates me when the low end manufactures publish a frequency >>>> range and call it a frequency response. It's misleading. >> >> The frequency plot of the SM57 shows it 10dB down at 50z. >> So the quoted 40-1500Hz range might be misleading. >> I guess the proximity effect makes up for the drop off, as I always >> found sufficient bottom end in that mic. > > Interesting. Did they show the 40-1500Hz as a frequency range? And then > show the 10b variance as a frequency response spec separately? hi Kris, it's all from the Shure site http://www.shure.com/ProAudio/Products/WiredMicrophones/us_pro_SM57-LC_content apart from my typo 40-1500Hz should read 40-15000Hz andy From controllare_l'aggiornamento@poste.it Tue May 15 08:59:59 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 420 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Tue, 15 May 2007 08:59:59 UTC Received: from mail.compuaddons.com (mail.compuaddons.com [12.0.25.50]) by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CDD2C3BEC2 for ; Tue, 15 May 2007 08:59:59 +0000 (UTC) Received: from User ([72.248.137.114] unverified) by mail.compuaddons.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Tue, 15 May 2007 04:51:25 -0400 Reply-To: From: "Italy Poste" Subject: Caro cliente Poste.it Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 04:53:52 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1250" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 1 X-MSMail-Priority: High X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 May 2007 08:51:25.0713 (UTC) FILETIME=[38683010:01C796CE] To: undisclosed-recipients:;

                                               
                                                   
 
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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 15 11:20:21 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 610133BED2; Tue, 15 May 2007 11:20:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=VgWoqvFv9xGZJHnfopGqRcxR1XZTmnH4lKwc65plwQJfz9nHlS6P0WhvcBliAM6KBw7HHdOfxWyNkn/3wQqJhNvEuVx0yYCVZQO6K+u8P744nhaZyPsZOleOZrJHqMfeWU27qj634nCmmIB7RPVhug0is9KNRw07X6o6yLhdITw=; X-YMail-OSG: nCVGA7EVM1ke1bf1sxniEoXYsp_1Ori22AeAsYQOoQSgcP7MEZWq8v4KMus2rpNrIE5T8AXdb4ETphckIHCmuySCkg-- Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 04:20:18 -0700 (PDT) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: Re: ipods for field recordings To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <551884.92716.qm@web38612.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70213 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 11:20:21 +0000 (UTC) Hi Per, I saw a guy the other day with one ipod which had a adaptable/removable microphone on the lower part,but i forgot to ask him what model ipod he had.So you re saying with a good mic think they be be just as good as a say an Edirol R-09 or what u have? cheers Luis --- Per Boysen wrote: > On 11 maj 2007, at 10.42, L.A. Angulo wrote: > > > on my quest ofr a compact field recorder i have > one > > more question,how good is the quality of these new > i > > pods with plugin mics for field recordings? > > > As good as the mics you plug into it. And also as > good as the mic pre > amps sound. The worst component in the chain is > setting the fidelity > of the resulting recording. But it's hard to tell > when not knowing > which specific unit we're talking about. Over here > I'm using a Zoom > H4 and my recordings with the built in stereo mic > sound so good that > I don't think it will get any better by using other > mics. But I have > other mics, two CM2 condenser mics including a dual > mic amp. I > haven't done any A/B testing but as I remember them > they do not sound > any better compared to the H4 built-in mics. I used > to record with > them and a DAT back in the pre H4 days. > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > www.looproom.com (international) > http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) > http://tinyurl.com/2kek7h (CC donationware music > releases) > > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom ____________________________________________________________________________________Need a vacation? Get great deals to amazing places on Yahoo! Travel. http://travel.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 15 11:39:40 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 951F43BED2; Tue, 15 May 2007 11:39:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=C/9IUhb2yLMwFG5UYvjsr+dFLGKld0HEuXoeo9dzNvawOADa2Re69CngG354r2Kpfn6ACxEnCkgh1XataopgD/nPQ5OEW92S0HL2GBgwhMPIDEr4UzCJvrRBJbEohN+HCacGUVfrUkre2YPvPW225Hn1vzG7PXQUif0lcwW6pIU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=RT/sDWY0GPDCe4zZrljNc7RAOo+9aetIkEObm3J9hte9e23QWMtOWqnKuxP7M+5XAP+LeK9+aAPTZL5F1URc9toVEW9/A/NzZo58gFsIOMHhfvNH56cnz8jbglN+y6TxCkL0K6EhAlcYUkvVl5eeQPV6bGCBX+cveAOBhQWxRvA= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <551884.92716.qm@web38612.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <551884.92716.qm@web38612.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <336A30C5-8EA7-4FE5-B8FB-C0A26F9C9886@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: ipods for field recordings Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 13:39:23 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70214 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 11:39:40 +0000 (UTC) On 15 maj 2007, at 13.20, L.A. Angulo wrote: > Hi Per, > I saw a guy the other day with one ipod which had a > adaptable/removable microphone on the lower part,but i > forgot to ask him what model ipod he had.So you re > saying with a good mic think they be be just as good > as a say an Edirol R-09 or what u have? Yes, that's what I'm saying. I also said this: > As good as the mics you plug into it. And also as > good as the mic pre > amps sound. BTW, when you're talking about an "iPod", do you mean the brand name owned by Apple? Because in English "a pod" can be used for any kind of little unit used to transfer something. Me, I was specifically talking about the Zoom H4 and its built-in X matrix positioned stereo mics. I've been holding off from buying an iPod because there were no on that came with audio recording facility, so two years ago I bought the 30 GB iPod anyway, thinking I got "get a handheld dictaphone later on". So when the H4 launched on the market it was way better then I had been thinking about picking up. Two years ago I researched the market for recordable iPods and found nothing usable. Either you had to buy an old iPod model and run a Linux hack on it or you had to go with some add-on that didn't give the audi fidelity needed for music. And also, the iPod I wanted - with the biggest hard drive and video display - wasn't compatible with those "crappy fidelity" add-ons. That may have changed since then, but you have to do a web search to find out. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://www.myspace.com/looproom http://www.jamendo.com/en/artist/per.boysen/ http://www.jamendo.com/en/artist/lo.fi.lazer/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 15 12:01:09 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B976F3BEDD; Tue, 15 May 2007 12:01:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-YMail-OSG: Nds_U0IVM1mAbFzmG9Qpn_gMS5dRNaq5dMR_Ewl20LZOg4A1Bdumli0l_aUuJA1SffdkRQ9emdaviC1A9U94HzES4bQveZtmjXuiIRddcjGNWfBlkII- Message-ID: <001701c796e8$b37f6c40$4101a8c0@MICHAELPLISHKA> From: "Michael Plishka" To: References: <011e01c79488$8b0ebb10$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> <086801c7949b$d800a0b0$2cb0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <4646DAFC.10208@tiscali.co.uk> <02FED5A9-B5D7-47EC-ADA3-38721A9625FF@venetowest.com> <4648D454.3010106@addcom.de> <20070514210633.i8m1hmp94c8wsoks@69.89.21.76> <46493EC6.30100@mhorse.com> Subject: Re: Looptopia Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 07:00:57 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Resent-Message-ID: <9kzyn.A.AKC.FEaSGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70215 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 12:01:09 +0000 (UTC) I was thinking the exact same thing (being a Chicago person)! No loopers anywhere...this needs to be rectified.... M ----- Original Message ----- From: "Daryl Shawn" To: Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2007 12:01 AM Subject: Looptopia > Any Chicago residents here? Why do they toy with us - "Looptopia", in the > the Loop neighborhood, and nary a looper in sight? > > http://www.chicagoloopalliance.com/looptopia/index.htm > > The best part though - "Miss Looptopia"! Rick, think we need a pageant > this year... > > Daryl Shawn > www.swanwelder.com > www.chinapaintingmusic.om > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 15 12:11:11 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4F1613BED9; Tue, 15 May 2007 12:11:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Michael Peters" To: "Loopers Delight" References: Subject: RE: John Cage on I've got a secret Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 14:10:31 +0200 Message-ID: <003901c796ea$09011cd0$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Thread-Index: AceW5m4VjVEzWmOPQhO8ZmUx/gHsLAAA4Fow In-Reply-To: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70216 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 12:11:11 +0000 (UTC) > Subject: John Cage on I've got a secret > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSulycqZH-U thanks so much for posting. Wonderful !! -Michael www.michaelpeters.de From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 15 12:19:31 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 164533BED5; Tue, 15 May 2007 12:19:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=SiB4N1oxA+vYgwNZIJ2zT7T/RuhvbEibqrj/lh5e3rNx3DNMSa9fHE2uLQXV0jZHc6gK5Ck7+5UFHV5Rffy9wy39PnZzGF3XEh6P50EdNMvB+FWKbuAXDsuIeWSHdYVOD1Lb2f0jHh0kMHtdOJNezusL7DqyF6iI8RiFuWZhYbc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=gCF9Ji1/1XZMc/TqJ1AHoYr/2k2Webkz2O3EwHATkBWKWT0LPAq4TODyHXy2YUCGsgdmwEkLUm8BfErtaQ+yJE3XXysV81egCnmcq250vUWVLv9LeVgTrX72P0isy9xNnHISBgPxdMqcd1lUq6J3KDgXRRXi4O5R9C1EvZR6MkI= Message-ID: Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 14:19:27 +0200 From: "Raul Bonell" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: John Cage on I've got a secret In-Reply-To: <003901c796ea$09011cd0$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <003901c796ea$09011cd0$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70217 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 12:19:31 +0000 (UTC) 2007/5/15, Michael Peters : > > Subject: John Cage on I've got a secret > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DSSulycqZH-U > > thanks so much for posting. Wonderful !! I'd say "Delightful" !! ... Ra=FCl. --=20 The Playing Orchestra: http://www.telefonica.net/web2/tpo Chain Tape Collective: http://www.ct-collective.com TPO at myspace: http://www.myspace.com/theplayingorchestra From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 15 13:29:30 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4BA263BED3; Tue, 15 May 2007 13:29:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Originating-IP: [216.113.128.239] X-Identified-User: {864:box76.bluehost.com:kevinkis:kevinkissinger.com} {sentby:webmail from 216.113.128.239} Message-ID: <20070515082926.fcnz6iz78kcw8o4w@69.89.21.76> Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 08:29:26 -0500 From: kkissinger@kevinkissinger.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: minimalist ambient something or other References: <380-22007511421356483@M2W010.mail2web.com> In-Reply-To: <380-22007511421356483@M2W010.mail2web.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.3) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70218 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 13:29:30 +0000 (UTC) > Turbulency > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YduG4pEej0o > > Turbulency v.2 > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2IZ0GWETM4c > Impressions on which version works better are welcome. > regards > > > BobC Both of these are very pleasing to the ear. 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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 15 14:19:48 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9A9F53BEDA; Tue, 15 May 2007 14:19:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=j0GvpNkcc11T0m8e8lEs6F32J/3TvCtYW3giYRRJztWZOH73gxVcDavINZmb7fATkX0spGHdtRMOHc+9Vr/ARdnJOld8/KCvpkuCqrknmOON7X4WQ1z6hjoC26zebP6BhgtgqQhjIY5zOKLx75BT0tbvXtju5sqfGlIFgVRRb1Y= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=GDZiilHQWP369ZHyV9QIefDSOnlmj3R9Y90HoBtiz+eTDSRtze2ps/ejZqq7exe7WHBZufpcLpz6g9R7OVrcFYqaM2kRtxhXj5yTK8KzM3g1aqnJLUifYUVeaC60aXdi7klRBw6HtcUm703O1MV0SccJyz5kigFMQkqLZWhWhDE= Message-ID: <588ce11d0705150719s75860b68pab64cb90d63fc801@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 07:19:44 -0700 From: "Art Simon" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: ipods for field recordings In-Reply-To: <336A30C5-8EA7-4FE5-B8FB-C0A26F9C9886@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <551884.92716.qm@web38612.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <336A30C5-8EA7-4FE5-B8FB-C0A26F9C9886@gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70219 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 14:19:48 +0000 (UTC) This looks like it might be the best choice for an iPod. It's around $40: http://www.xtrememac.com/audio/earphones_recorders/micromemo_video/ I emailed tech support to see if it supported external electret stereo mics: On 5/14/07, Art Simon wrote: > Hi, > > I'm interested in using the MicroMemo for iPod video with an external > stereo electret microphone. The mic needs a small voltage (around 2v > or so) to operate. Does the MicroMemo provide a small voltage and does > it take a stereo mic input? Thanks for your time. On 5/14/07, Sharon Rivera wrote: >It will in fact work with this type of microphone and does accept a stereo mic input. -- Art Simon simart@null.net http://art.simon.tripod.com http://www.myspace.com/artsimon From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 15 14:28:05 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 09D3E3BEDB; Tue, 15 May 2007 14:28:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <001001c796fd$62111f10$19b2a8c0@netzrechner> Reply-To: "Tilmann Dehnhard" From: "Tilmann Dehnhard" To: References: <551884.92716.qm@web38612.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <336A30C5-8EA7-4FE5-B8FB-C0A26F9C9886@gmail.com> <588ce11d0705150719s75860b68pab64cb90d63fc801@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: ipods for field recordings Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 16:28:55 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX19gBeicdIsRKPSA5sBf1bnppW4OF+QF+iKylLz gMAxuRQXeKE31YFR+l+Ft97Hh/Gy6mKRhhHAhXIy1s6oyML5/F 2Gva/qlmK2E+JhP6YFo0XseEAiSYxUY Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70220 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 14:28:05 +0000 (UTC) i stay away from products that advertise using phrases like this: record interviews, meetings, lectures, or any audio content if they don't even mention music, it must be pretty bad quality. tilmann ----- Original Message ----- From: "Art Simon" To: Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2007 4:19 PM Subject: Re: ipods for field recordings > This looks like it might be the best choice for an iPod. It's around $40: > http://www.xtrememac.com/audio/earphones_recorders/micromemo_video/ > > I emailed tech support to see if it supported external electret stereo > mics: > > On 5/14/07, Art Simon wrote: >> Hi, >> >> I'm interested in using the MicroMemo for iPod video with an external >> stereo electret microphone. The mic needs a small voltage (around 2v >> or so) to operate. Does the MicroMemo provide a small voltage and does >> it take a stereo mic input? Thanks for your time. > > On 5/14/07, Sharon Rivera wrote: >>It will in fact work with this type of microphone and does accept a > stereo mic input. > > > -- > Art Simon > simart@null.net > http://art.simon.tripod.com > http://www.myspace.com/artsimon > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 15 15:19:14 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9BC493BEDA; Tue, 15 May 2007 15:19:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at cavesofice.org Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 11:19:12 -0400 (EDT) From: burnett@pobox.com X-X-Sender: badger@giggles.cavesofice.org To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Re: more looped tuba examples from Ouroboros In-Reply-To: <8A532113-8171-47EC-89AF-19B7AFAA1D1B@gmail.com> Message-ID: References: <8A532113-8171-47EC-89AF-19B7AFAA1D1B@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70221 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 15:19:14 +0000 (UTC) On Tue, 15 May 2007, Per Boysen wrote: > On 15 maj 2007, at 02.33, burnett@pobox.com wrote: >> The Face of the Waters - 16min34sec >> http://www.subscapeannex.com/tuba/the_face_of_the_waters.mp3 >> Walking With Belgrand - An evening stroll underground with the architect of >> the epic Parisian sewer system. - 19min19sec >> http://www.subscapeannex.com/tuba/walking_with_belgrand.mp3 >> Circus of the Rat Catchers - 10min55sec >> http://www.subscapeannex.com/tuba/circus_of_the_rat_catchers.mp3 >> >> All tracks recorded live, all source audio live-sampled tuba, no >> post-processing or layering other than cleaning noise using SoundSoap. > > Fantastic! How did you catch that sound? Would you mind give out a little > more information, please? Mic placement? Harmonizer? Filter? Per: I asked my partner David about the mic he uses, the following is his response: #################### I bought a Shure Beta 57A mic when I started playing with Hubcap's Dilemma. And I bought another one when I started playing with you. They are very rugged like their legendary brethren the Shure SM57.......and I like the way the tuba sounds through them...even when the mic is way down the bell. They do a great job with acoustic guitar also...very warm and non-stingy. #################### The mic is dropped down the bell of the tuba and is at least a foot and a half down the mouth of the bell of the tuba. The mic feeds into my long signal chain of loop and effects pedals, then the output of the signal chain goes to a mixer. One output from the mixer to the amp, the second output to a Gemini iKey. Record as wav file, clean hiss and background noise in Sound Soap, then import to iTunes and convert from wav to mp3. Processing on these sessions: For Sunday's sessions, I used most of the loop pedals at one point or another for layering, either as the "clean" unprocessed tuba signal, or to loop a processed tuba bit so David could then solo live over that. Rarely I will loop with the same effects and settings, and I almost always differentiate David's solos as either clean, or processed differently from the active loops. Effects used Sunday: Moog lowpass filter, ring mod, (non-super) analog delay, mostly. Used the E-H POG a little on the second track "Walking With Belgrand". (Signal chain: I have two loop pedals (Akai Headrush E2, Z-Vex Lo-Fi Loop Junky) at the top of the signal chain. They are followed by the set of Z-Vex pedals (Woolly Mammoth, Seek Wah, Ooh Wah, Ringtone, Seek Trem), then another loop pedal (Line 6 DL4) precedes the Moog Moogerfooger set (lowpass filter, ring mod, phaser, MuRF, bass MuRF, analog delay, super analog delay), followed by an E-H Polyphonic Octave Generator. The end of the signal chain is a set of four loop pedals (E-H 16sec delay - the reissue, not original), Boss RC-20, Boss RC-20XL, Digitech Jamman). ) I hope this helps answer your questions. best, Steve B Subscape Annex http://www.subscapeannex.com/ Ouroboros http://www.subscapeannex.com/ouroboros/ From anonymous@s1.databitit.com Tue May 15 17:43:17 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 53555 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Tue, 15 May 2007 17:43:16 UTC Received: from s1.databitit.com (ns1.databitit.com [202.125.38.19]) by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A11C93BECD for ; Tue, 15 May 2007 17:43:15 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 7103 invoked by uid 33); 15 May 2007 06:37:25 +1000 Date: 15 May 2007 06:37:25 +1000 Message-ID: <20070514203725.7100.qmail@s1.databitit.com> To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Subject: IMPORTANT: Security Issues [Incident: 042921] From: Bank of America Security Dept. 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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 15 18:32:23 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 674753BEF1; Tue, 15 May 2007 18:32:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=Il9RW/9rqYDdkPwf9P5PK0sf+v0uH82gdsSor6kOhZkCCIq7c2w/GymU/5A+9oPSPBxYOpdS8R26fh1cgI2Jh/GbE4WLfLSJseLNgOl5eIppf+FP3ggje0YEywW7EnOdBn6eY7tLLdL50ZVAFhLGbkHrOTLtqebqlTL8LwnBgj4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=qjtkd7ozbS0w24vhCuUjaAptKhDgQK/MeTxxpiQvLuwqv5yydTOSoS4qdPXquggkMDkXgIvodGEIif7Lo3LeE0W/+dXgkir9sJACIymr/MZrjLxJ2AU38EfB/6aJcVwhn+BmJ6dMp7vWtq+Rh1TWLRBMz9fR9NihDdf+qpfTunk= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <20070515082926.fcnz6iz78kcw8o4w@69.89.21.76> References: <380-22007511421356483@M2W010.mail2web.com> <20070515082926.fcnz6iz78kcw8o4w@69.89.21.76> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <9AF0D379-AC5A-4ABD-A914-DB8D8B915444@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: RP Collier Subject: Re: minimalist ambient something or other Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 11:32:14 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: <6L3drB.A.8ZE.2yfSGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70222 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 18:32:23 +0000 (UTC) On May 15, 2007, at 6:29 AM, kkissinger@kevinkissinger.com wrote: > > Both of these are very pleasing to the ear. I can't say which one > "works" better however my personal favorite is the second one. > and May 14, Qua wrote: >> Love the minimalistic video/audio ! from both you and Rick ! << Thanks for having a look! regards BobC http://tinyurl.com/yt8f8j http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YduG4pEej0o http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2IZ0GWETM4c http://tinyurl.com/cr25j From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 15 19:50:04 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F11283BEDF; Tue, 15 May 2007 19:50:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: AW: Re: more looped tuba examples from Ouroboros Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 21:50:15 +0200 Organization: Moinlabs Message-ID: <000601c7972a$420b5cd0$1001a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Thread-Index: AceXBGX7gOVfi8/pR7CMmzgACrVjkQAJbMwQ X-RZG-AUTH: lUESeo99iNzPL8kuBgLYdKEqUywq9cxqeRA+BtFcSCD5deQ7OIRHGiu7RCg= X-RZG-CLASS-ID: mo07 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70223 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 19:50:03 +0000 (UTC) > (Signal chain: > I have two loop pedals (Akai Headrush E2, Z-Vex Lo-Fi Loop > Junky) at the top of the signal chain. They are followed by > the set of Z-Vex pedals (Woolly Mammoth, Seek Wah, Ooh Wah, > Ringtone, Seek Trem), then another loop pedal (Line 6 DL4) > precedes the Moog Moogerfooger set (lowpass filter, ring mod, > phaser, MuRF, bass MuRF, analog delay, super analog delay), > followed by an E-H Polyphonic Octave Generator. The end of > the signal chain is a set of four loop pedals (E-H 16sec > delay - the reissue, > not original), Boss RC-20, Boss RC-20XL, Digitech Jamman). ) It's fine to see that there are still those supercrazy effect junkies out there in times where most people either have a laptop some super-minimalistic setup...if I counted right here, you got seven loopers alone...cool! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 15 20:37:19 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A5D6A3BEE2; Tue, 15 May 2007 20:37:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=jjdC5H3t972B39EDcZXhD1TVlrMSiWvbMr+tkAhWYTYFL+YcdODrXV0tVc1F4gYvO08BfvVNBCXKNY2yto76x26FC97YMU5sHewlc6CW0jJ2gIf6xDNnIdJhurs/55PLSiro1TdydRoH40koFGEj7vnTQ+iQktfAlVoTNoKvf6w= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=g/nUGinGDMfKSwb8L1NmzvIMMBKFFwNwi5msnjQfrzFUoqvD+EQ3a51kdKaufYh3RSivnsathPyYZ07if/KeMXT5c64ENs2CPoF9q8/tw2hVDVojqHOXUyoDXtaoPTdc+j6IVF99KIjtrOipYrUsJkduZISC9OHK7B3g7SZSn74= Message-ID: <4cf76a0b0705151337t44191b04v6367b5d9d53ff4fa@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 13:37:17 -0700 From: "miles ward" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Re: more looped tuba examples from Ouroboros In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <8A532113-8171-47EC-89AF-19B7AFAA1D1B@gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70224 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 20:37:19 +0000 (UTC) I just did a recording session with Richard @ Glasswing, I hope to have some samples up for all of you to peruse shortly. I've done the mic down the bell thing, but I thought we got a great sound with a big condenser about 3 ft from the bell. I'm on a sousaphone too, so that might impact the success of the "down the bell" technique, since mine is kinked. You're stuff is amazing, these are GREAT recordings! Fun stuff for all of us tuba folks. Have you guys heard the YoungBloodBrassBand tuba player Nate McCavish? The guy is a complete chainsaw of bass. Marvelous! On 5/15/07, burnett@pobox.com wrote: > On Tue, 15 May 2007, Per Boysen wrote: > > > On 15 maj 2007, at 02.33, burnett@pobox.com wrote: > >> The Face of the Waters - 16min34sec > >> http://www.subscapeannex.com/tuba/the_face_of_the_waters.mp3 > >> Walking With Belgrand - An evening stroll underground with the architect of > >> the epic Parisian sewer system. - 19min19sec > >> http://www.subscapeannex.com/tuba/walking_with_belgrand.mp3 > >> Circus of the Rat Catchers - 10min55sec > >> http://www.subscapeannex.com/tuba/circus_of_the_rat_catchers.mp3 > >> > >> All tracks recorded live, all source audio live-sampled tuba, no > >> post-processing or layering other than cleaning noise using SoundSoap. > > > > Fantastic! How did you catch that sound? Would you mind give out a little > > more information, please? Mic placement? Harmonizer? Filter? > > Per: > > I asked my partner David about the mic he uses, the following is his > response: > > #################### > I bought a Shure Beta 57A mic when I started playing with Hubcap's > Dilemma. And I bought another one when I started playing with you. > They are very rugged like their legendary brethren the Shure > SM57.......and I like the way the tuba sounds through them...even > when the mic is way down the bell. They do a great job with acoustic > guitar also...very warm and non-stingy. > #################### > > The mic is dropped down the bell of the tuba and is at least a foot and a > half down the mouth of the bell of the tuba. > > The mic feeds into my long signal chain of loop and effects pedals, > then the output of the signal chain goes to a mixer. One output from the > mixer to the amp, the second output to a Gemini iKey. Record as wav file, > clean hiss and background noise in Sound Soap, then import to iTunes and > convert from wav to mp3. > > Processing on these sessions: > > For Sunday's sessions, I used most of the loop pedals at one point or > another for layering, either as the "clean" unprocessed tuba signal, or > to loop a processed tuba bit so David could then solo live over that. > Rarely I will loop with the same effects and settings, and I almost always > differentiate David's solos as either clean, or processed differently from > the active loops. > > Effects used Sunday: Moog lowpass filter, ring mod, (non-super) analog > delay, mostly. Used the E-H POG a little on the second track "Walking With > Belgrand". > > (Signal chain: > I have two loop pedals (Akai Headrush E2, Z-Vex Lo-Fi Loop Junky) at the > top of the signal chain. They are followed by the set of Z-Vex pedals > (Woolly Mammoth, Seek Wah, Ooh Wah, Ringtone, Seek Trem), then another > loop pedal (Line 6 DL4) precedes the Moog Moogerfooger set (lowpass > filter, ring mod, phaser, MuRF, bass MuRF, analog delay, super analog > delay), followed by an E-H Polyphonic Octave Generator. The end of the > signal chain is a set of four loop pedals (E-H 16sec delay - the reissue, > not original), Boss RC-20, Boss RC-20XL, Digitech Jamman). ) > > I hope this helps answer your questions. > > best, > Steve B > Subscape Annex http://www.subscapeannex.com/ > Ouroboros http://www.subscapeannex.com/ouroboros/ > > -- ---Miles Ward From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 15 20:59:50 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9DA423BEE6; Tue, 15 May 2007 20:59:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <709027696.1179156118066.JavaMail.root@fepweb06> References: <709027696.1179156118066.JavaMail.root@fepweb06> Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 17:59:40 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: AW: HOOOOORAY FOR US!!!!!!! Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" ; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 May 2007 20:59:47.0886 (UTC) FILETIME=[F8EE94E0:01C79733] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70225 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 20:59:50 +0000 (UTC) Helo Ted! I gladly do so, but so far only Bill replied that he did not manage to scan it and offered to send me one down! But it would take a week, and my scanner is not good either... so, who is got a scanner and a GP and a heart for those who dont, please? thanks Matthias >Matthias, > >Hi there. Since my own subscription to Guitar Player expired with May's issue >as well, it would be most appreciated if you's share the link of this scanned >copy with the rest of us when it becomes available. There aren't any decent >newsstands that seem to have it locally for me either. > >-- > >tEd ® kiLLiAn > >"Different is not always better, but better is always different" > >Flux Aeterna: >http://phobos.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewAlbum?playListId=6378076 > >http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html >http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian >http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html >http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina >http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=2845073 >http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=CBNM_17314 >http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=193 >http://www.loopers-delight.com/cgi-bin/profiles.cgi?step=view_profile&id=121197000042 > >Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, >BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, >AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, >RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, >and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So??? > >---- Matthias Grob wrote: >> same for me, please! >> I searched for the article on the GP site, seems not available? >> >> I promiss to put the scan on my site for everyone here... >> >> thank you >> Matthias >> >> > > in the two page, color article about the Y2K6 International >> >> Live Looping Festival there was: >> > >> >would anyone be able to scan/reprophotograph the respective >>article and mail >> >it to me? Your run-of-the-mill newsstand here doesn't carry >> >Gearporn...uhmm...Guitar Player here. Replies offlist please. >> > >> >Thanks, >> > >> > Rainer >> >> >> -- >> >> >> ---> http://www.matthiasgrob.com >> -- ---> http://www.matthiasgrob.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 15 21:20:29 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BB3703BEDE; Tue, 15 May 2007 21:20:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <4cf76a0b0705151337t44191b04v6367b5d9d53ff4fa@mail.gmail.com> References: <8A532113-8171-47EC-89AF-19B7AFAA1D1B@gmail.com> <4cf76a0b0705151337t44191b04v6367b5d9d53ff4fa@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-9--906642686 Message-Id: <9e10aad6faedf91e25a8204abebd8cc0@glasswing.com> From: Richard Sales Subject: Re: more looped tuba examples from Ouroboros Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 14:20:20 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Resent-Message-ID: <45MTk.A.AgF.dQiSGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70226 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 21:20:29 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-9--906642686 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Ah! Glad it worked, Miles. So much fun!!!! richard sales glassWing farm and studio vancouver island, b.c. 800.545.6846 250.752.4816 www.glassWing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com On 15-May-07, at 1:37 PM, miles ward wrote: > I just did a recording session with Richard @ Glasswing, I hope to > have some samples up for all of you to peruse shortly. I've done the > mic down the bell thing, but I thought we got a great sound with a big > condenser about 3 ft from the bell. I'm on a sousaphone too, so that > might impact the success of the "down the bell" technique, since mine > is kinked. You're stuff is amazing, these are GREAT recordings! Fun > stuff for all of us tuba folks. Have you guys heard the > YoungBloodBrassBand tuba player Nate McCavish? The guy is a complete > chainsaw of bass. Marvelous! > > > > On 5/15/07, burnett@pobox.com wrote: >> On Tue, 15 May 2007, Per Boysen wrote: >> >> > On 15 maj 2007, at 02.33, burnett@pobox.com wrote: >> >> The Face of the Waters - 16min34sec >> >> http://www.subscapeannex.com/tuba/the_face_of_the_waters.mp3 >> >> Walking With Belgrand - An evening stroll underground with the >> architect of >> >> the epic Parisian sewer system. - 19min19sec >> >> http://www.subscapeannex.com/tuba/walking_with_belgrand.mp3 >> >> Circus of the Rat Catchers - 10min55sec >> >> http://www.subscapeannex.com/tuba/circus_of_the_rat_catchers.mp3 >> >> >> >> All tracks recorded live, all source audio live-sampled tuba, no >> >> post-processing or layering other than cleaning noise using >> SoundSoap. >> > >> > Fantastic! How did you catch that sound? Would you mind give out a >> little >> > more information, please? Mic placement? Harmonizer? Filter? >> >> Per: >> >> I asked my partner David about the mic he uses, the following is his >> response: >> >> #################### >> I bought a Shure Beta 57A mic when I started playing with Hubcap's >> Dilemma. And I bought another one when I started playing with you. >> They are very rugged like their legendary brethren the Shure >> SM57.......and I like the way the tuba sounds through them...even >> when the mic is way down the bell. They do a great job with acoustic >> guitar also...very warm and non-stingy. >> #################### >> >> The mic is dropped down the bell of the tuba and is at least a foot >> and a >> half down the mouth of the bell of the tuba. >> >> The mic feeds into my long signal chain of loop and effects pedals, >> then the output of the signal chain goes to a mixer. One output from >> the >> mixer to the amp, the second output to a Gemini iKey. Record as wav >> file, >> clean hiss and background noise in Sound Soap, then import to iTunes >> and >> convert from wav to mp3. >> >> Processing on these sessions: >> >> For Sunday's sessions, I used most of the loop pedals at one point or >> another for layering, either as the "clean" unprocessed tuba signal, >> or >> to loop a processed tuba bit so David could then solo live over that. >> Rarely I will loop with the same effects and settings, and I almost >> always >> differentiate David's solos as either clean, or processed differently >> from >> the active loops. >> >> Effects used Sunday: Moog lowpass filter, ring mod, (non-super) analog >> delay, mostly. Used the E-H POG a little on the second track "Walking >> With >> Belgrand". >> >> (Signal chain: >> I have two loop pedals (Akai Headrush E2, Z-Vex Lo-Fi Loop Junky) at >> the >> top of the signal chain. They are followed by the set of Z-Vex pedals >> (Woolly Mammoth, Seek Wah, Ooh Wah, Ringtone, Seek Trem), then another >> loop pedal (Line 6 DL4) precedes the Moog Moogerfooger set (lowpass >> filter, ring mod, phaser, MuRF, bass MuRF, analog delay, super analog >> delay), followed by an E-H Polyphonic Octave Generator. The end of the >> signal chain is a set of four loop pedals (E-H 16sec delay - the >> reissue, >> not original), Boss RC-20, Boss RC-20XL, Digitech Jamman). ) >> >> I hope this helps answer your questions. >> >> best, >> Steve B >> Subscape Annex http://www.subscapeannex.com/ >> Ouroboros http://www.subscapeannex.com/ouroboros/ >> >> > > > -- > ---Miles Ward > --Apple-Mail-9--906642686 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=US-ASCII Ah! Glad it worked, Miles. So much fun!!!! Gadgetrichard sales 7373,7F7F,C5C5glassWing farm and studio vancouver island, b.c. 800.545.6846 250.752.4816C3C3,9696,1C1C www.glassWing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com On 15-May-07, at 1:37 PM, miles ward wrote: I just did a recording session with Richard @ Glasswing, I hope to have some samples up for all of you to peruse shortly. I've done the mic down the bell thing, but I thought we got a great sound with a big condenser about 3 ft from the bell. I'm on a sousaphone too, so that might impact the success of the "down the bell" technique, since mine is kinked. You're stuff is amazing, these are GREAT recordings! Fun stuff for all of us tuba folks. Have you guys heard the YoungBloodBrassBand tuba player Nate McCavish? The guy is a complete chainsaw of bass. Marvelous! On 5/15/07, burnett@pobox.com < wrote: On Tue, 15 May 2007, Per Boysen wrote: > On 15 maj 2007, at 02.33, burnett@pobox.com wrote: >> The Face of the Waters - 16min34sec >> http://www.subscapeannex.com/tuba/the_face_of_the_waters.mp3 >> Walking With Belgrand - An evening stroll underground with the architect of >> the epic Parisian sewer system. - 19min19sec >> http://www.subscapeannex.com/tuba/walking_with_belgrand.mp3 >> Circus of the Rat Catchers - 10min55sec >> http://www.subscapeannex.com/tuba/circus_of_the_rat_catchers.mp3 >> >> All tracks recorded live, all source audio live-sampled tuba, no >> post-processing or layering other than cleaning noise using SoundSoap. > > Fantastic! How did you catch that sound? Would you mind give out a little > more information, please? Mic placement? Harmonizer? Filter? Per: I asked my partner David about the mic he uses, the following is his response: #################### I bought a Shure Beta 57A mic when I started playing with Hubcap's Dilemma. And I bought another one when I started playing with you. They are very rugged like their legendary brethren the Shure SM57.......and I like the way the tuba sounds through them...even when the mic is way down the bell. They do a great job with acoustic guitar also...very warm and non-stingy. #################### The mic is dropped down the bell of the tuba and is at least a foot and a half down the mouth of the bell of the tuba. The mic feeds into my long signal chain of loop and effects pedals, then the output of the signal chain goes to a mixer. One output from the mixer to the amp, the second output to a Gemini iKey. Record as wav file, clean hiss and background noise in Sound Soap, then import to iTunes and convert from wav to mp3. Processing on these sessions: For Sunday's sessions, I used most of the loop pedals at one point or another for layering, either as the "clean" unprocessed tuba signal, or to loop a processed tuba bit so David could then solo live over that. Rarely I will loop with the same effects and settings, and I almost always differentiate David's solos as either clean, or processed differently from the active loops. Effects used Sunday: Moog lowpass filter, ring mod, (non-super) analog delay, mostly. Used the E-H POG a little on the second track "Walking With Belgrand". (Signal chain: I have two loop pedals (Akai Headrush E2, Z-Vex Lo-Fi Loop Junky) at the top of the signal chain. They are followed by the set of Z-Vex pedals (Woolly Mammoth, Seek Wah, Ooh Wah, Ringtone, Seek Trem), then another loop pedal (Line 6 DL4) precedes the Moog Moogerfooger set (lowpass filter, ring mod, phaser, MuRF, bass MuRF, analog delay, super analog delay), followed by an E-H Polyphonic Octave Generator. The end of the signal chain is a set of four loop pedals (E-H 16sec delay - the reissue, not original), Boss RC-20, Boss RC-20XL, Digitech Jamman). ) I hope this helps answer your questions. best, Steve B Subscape Annex http://www.subscapeannex.com/ Ouroboros http://www.subscapeannex.com/ouroboros/ -- ---Miles Ward --Apple-Mail-9--906642686-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 15 21:41:27 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9EFD43BEDA; Tue, 15 May 2007 21:41:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <464A290B.4010004@biink.com> Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 17:41:31 -0400 From: David Beardsley Reply-To: db@biink.com Organization: Biink & SSI User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2 (Windows/20050317) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: ot: Microtonal guitarist Rod Poole, RIP Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70227 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 21:41:27 +0000 (UTC) Microtonal guitarist Rod Poole died last Sunday night, a senseless killing. I played various festivals with Rod over the years, I'm pretty shocked. I was just talking to him recently about setting up some performances here on the East Coast this Fall. http://www.biink.com/poole A tribute page for Rod, since he never had a web page and the LA Times doesn't archive their articles. From the LA Times: Pair held in fatal stabbing By Richard Winton, Times Staff Writer May 15, 2007 Police have arrested a husband and wife on suspicion of stabbing a 45-year-old man to death in the parking lot of a well-known Hollywood eatery. The incident occurred about 9:45 p.m. Sunday in the parking lot of Mel's Drive-In in the 1600 block of Highland Avenue. Officers answered a call of an assault with a deadly weapon and found Roderick Poole, 45, with multiple stab wounds. He was taken to Cedars-Sinai Medical Center, where he died at 10:06 p.m. Poole, of Hollywood, was walking with his wife when he got into an argument with a woman in a car, said Los Angeles Police Det. Larry Cameron. Witnesses told police the woman, with her husband, nearly ran over Poole. They exchanged words and the couple allegedly attacked Poole, police said. Michael Sheridan, 25, allegedly stabbed Poole several times before the pair drove off, investigators said. "This was incredibly dumb," said Cameron, referring to how a minor disagreement turned into a killing. Detectives later arrested Sheridan and his wife, Angela Sheridan, 24, both of Los Angeles. They were being held in lieu of $1-million bail each. Hollywood, among the city's safer areas, has seen a 5% increase in violent crime so far in 2007. Poole's killing was the sixth in the district this year. -- * David Beardsley * microtonal guitar * http://biink.com/db From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 15 23:09:24 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 96C0C3BEDF; Tue, 15 May 2007 23:09:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <00b401c79746$1237cc20$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "RICK WALKER" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: MAKER FAIRE: Loop.pooL/Kid Beyond Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 16:09:20 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.5 required=1.0 tests=AWL,INFO_TLD autolearn=disabled version=3.1.7 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.7 (2006-10-05) on mail.cruzio.com Resent-Message-ID: <3ri3hB.A.I3C.j2jSGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70228 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 23:09:24 +0000 (UTC) The extremely creative MAKER FAIRE is this weekend http://www.makerfaire.com/ at the San Mateo Fairgrounds just south of San Francisco (north of the Silicon Valley). Amongst many other things, two live loopers will be part of the musical presentations at this very unusual and stimulating festival. I, |LOOP.POOL will be performing on the MAIN outdoor STAGE on Sunday afternoon at 3 p.m. followed, immediately by the fabulous acapella 'band in a box' looper KID BEYOND who's set begins at 4:15. If you haven't seen him, Kid Beyond is a fantastic performer creating an entire dance concert with just his voice as a source for sound. He has seemless integration of Ableton's LIVE using midi footpedals and a microphone (he never even touches his laptop in his performances). He's really inspiring and I can't more highly recommend seeing his show. The MAKER FAIRE is MAKE magazines annual festival that showcases unusual and creative inventions. You can think of it as the Burning Man for Geek Tinkerers or Hot Nerd on Nerd Action!!!! I jest, but in reality, this festival is really exciting................from people making groundbreaking invetnions in ecological lifestyles to people who invent strange musical devices, I've never seen so much creativity in a small space in my life. It is an ideal summer festival atmosphere for all ages. I hope you can make it on Saturday and Sunday. If you read this hear, please come up and say hello to me after I've cleared my stage for Kid Beyonds performance. Rick Walker aka loop.pool www.youttube.com/looppool/ www.looppool.info From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 16 02:02:09 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5F4133BEE1; Wed, 16 May 2007 02:02:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=qjSIdM7L9+wKzKQycl3BrYWxCtgUdx1+joix7LxFwJsfNSu9BQ1sbWd9xljGaxrUOVrLGde1InA0n70VTSjRkCyFr9lWruqs4hmRtYYypwDHiQuTSfjgA+RAWrO7SXSN/DrrKHJVdAc6z6rZ7duZrEI449kw7M+HMx9ld64MFB8=; X-YMail-OSG: HH4nk2IVM1mBmO0Vb7BYPKO.YA2ytMV4PrOCACe3z2IvvBYus5qqrclUvu94qfLySHX1N86wzwRHylLjkKgS.JZm.Q-- Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 19:02:06 -0700 (PDT) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: Re: ipods for field recordings To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <336A30C5-8EA7-4FE5-B8FB-C0A26F9C9886@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <815170.58869.qm@web38607.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: <1XxrOC.A.23E.hYmSGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70229 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 16 May 2007 02:02:09 +0000 (UTC) yes,thanx for the link folks,this is the one i meant http://www.xtrememac.com/audio/earphones_recorders/micromemo_video/ hmmm...then guess it looks better than it might be... Luis --- Per Boysen wrote: > On 15 maj 2007, at 13.20, L.A. Angulo wrote: > > > Hi Per, > > I saw a guy the other day with one ipod which had > a > > adaptable/removable microphone on the lower > part,but i > > forgot to ask him what model ipod he had.So you re > > saying with a good mic think they be be just as > good > > as a say an Edirol R-09 or what u have? > > > Yes, that's what I'm saying. I also said this: > > > As good as the mics you plug into it. And also as > > good as the mic pre > > amps sound. > > BTW, when you're talking about an "iPod", do you > mean the brand name > owned by Apple? Because in English "a pod" can be > used for any kind > of little unit used to transfer something. Me, I was > specifically > talking about the Zoom H4 and its built-in X matrix > positioned stereo > mics. I've been holding off from buying an iPod > because there were no > on that came with audio recording facility, so two > years ago I bought > the 30 GB iPod anyway, thinking I got "get a > handheld dictaphone > later on". So when the H4 launched on the market it > was way better > then I had been thinking about picking up. > > Two years ago I researched the market for recordable > iPods and found > nothing usable. Either you had to buy an old iPod > model and run a > Linux hack on it or you had to go with some add-on > that didn't give > the audi fidelity needed for music. And also, the > iPod I wanted - > with the biggest hard drive and video display - > wasn't compatible > with those "crappy fidelity" add-ons. That may have > changed since > then, but you have to do a web search to find out. > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > www.looproom.com (international) > http://www.myspace.com/looproom > http://www.jamendo.com/en/artist/per.boysen/ > http://www.jamendo.com/en/artist/lo.fi.lazer/ > > > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom ____________________________________________________________________________________ Park yourself in front of a world of choices in alternative vehicles. Visit the Yahoo! Auto Green Center. http://autos.yahoo.com/green_center/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 16 02:43:18 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id ECC6D3BEDA; Wed, 16 May 2007 02:43:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=pxGzhNOemdZWfgZR4C9pPWyHqIL3IHclT0KKA2v3OqcjwV8Nfqw8R+TVOzw+2FG+I9mERycGqjELPwrYTm0aOInn5uMZ7MnYNqOd6QAA9F/ivIkiEexz28jds0osSu+57rdt3Mu8Eim/t5gKozQNqqUQDoblAEw5bI6gbEkCq3w=; X-YMail-OSG: k.RIdfIVM1lglJawZHVmPqDHteR.NihcskGUTFMyBCu8TIlMmSnvHznYZBes6v2JQD8y8Q_QBq5DCcEAOH1oczszLtXMtzuyCd2TT74rHMX.hNXEquY- Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 19:43:16 -0700 (PDT) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: Re: Mics To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <727837.81977.qm@web38612.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70230 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 16 May 2007 02:43:17 +0000 (UTC) For what is worth a friend of mine swears by the SENNHEISER E606 for miking a guitar amp live,,he says it makes the sm57 sounds like a cheap radio mic. Gotta try it see if its true! Luis --- samba - wrote: > > I like the Sennheiser 421. It's what I prefer for > percussion. unless a > supercardiod 441 is available. I don't own > either-they're expensive.They had > an ad in recording magazine picturing an > oscilloscpope reading of 421 > reading a starting pistol ( for starting races) and > it just shows this big > black blip. I would have expected total > distortion,but it was clean as a > whstle.. Sennheiser has some stage mics,clearly > designed to compete with > Shures that sound great. I have some experience w > Neuman kms 105s > ,incredible . AKG has new stage mics ,c-5 condenser > and d-5,dynamic > > _________________________________________________________________ > More photos, more messages, more storage—get 2GB > with Windows Live Hotmail. > http://imagine-windowslive.com/hotmail/?locale=en-us&ocid=TXT_TAGHM_migration_HM_mini_2G_0507 > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom ____________________________________________________________________________________Need a vacation? Get great deals to amazing places on Yahoo! Travel. http://travel.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 16 02:55:58 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0E3443BEDA; Wed, 16 May 2007 02:55:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at cavesofice.org Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 22:55:56 -0400 (EDT) From: burnett@pobox.com X-X-Sender: badger@giggles.cavesofice.org To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: AW: Re: more looped tuba examples from Ouroboros In-Reply-To: <000601c7972a$420b5cd0$1001a8c0@succubus> Message-ID: References: <000601c7972a$420b5cd0$1001a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70231 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 16 May 2007 02:55:57 +0000 (UTC) On Tue, 15 May 2007, Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill wrote: > It's fine to see that there are still those supercrazy effect junkies out > there in times where most people either have a laptop some > super-minimalistic setup...if I counted right here, you got seven loopers > alone...cool! Yes, that would be correct. I like toys, what can I say? :) It takes me a while to set up and tear down, but I find it worthwhile. Thanks! Steve B Subscape Annex http://www.subscapeannex.com/ Ouroboros http://www.subscapeannex.com/ouroboros/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 16 03:05:32 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0BBD83BEDF; Wed, 16 May 2007 03:05:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at cavesofice.org Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 23:05:31 -0400 (EDT) From: burnett@pobox.com X-X-Sender: badger@giggles.cavesofice.org To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Re: Re: more looped tuba examples from Ouroboros In-Reply-To: <4cf76a0b0705151337t44191b04v6367b5d9d53ff4fa@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: References: <8A532113-8171-47EC-89AF-19B7AFAA1D1B@gmail.com> <4cf76a0b0705151337t44191b04v6367b5d9d53ff4fa@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70232 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 16 May 2007 03:05:32 +0000 (UTC) On Tue, 15 May 2007, miles ward wrote: > I just did a recording session with Richard @ Glasswing, I hope to > have some samples up for all of you to peruse shortly. I've done the > mic down the bell thing, but I thought we got a great sound with a big > condenser about 3 ft from the bell. I'm on a sousaphone too, so that > might impact the success of the "down the bell" technique, since mine > is kinked. You're stuff is amazing, these are GREAT recordings! Fun > stuff for all of us tuba folks. Have you guys heard the > YoungBloodBrassBand tuba player Nate McCavish? The guy is a complete > chainsaw of bass. Marvelous! Thank you for the compliments on the recordings, I'm glad they're sounding decent. Also thanks for the mic'ing notes, I appreciate it. I'm not familiar with Nate McCavish, but I'll check it out and pass the recommendation on to David. Steve B Subscape Annex http://www.subscapeannex.com/ Ouroboros http://www.subscapeannex.com/ouroboros/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 16 05:38:02 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 47A5E3BED9; Wed, 16 May 2007 05:38:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: <815170.58869.qm@web38607.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <815170.58869.qm@web38607.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Bernhard Wagner LD Subject: Re: ipods for field recordings Date: Wed, 16 May 2007 07:37:54 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) Resent-Message-ID: <5ORmG.A.Vq.5ipSGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70233 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 16 May 2007 05:38:01 +0000 (UTC) From the specs I don't know why you're doubting its suitability: Low High Bit Rate 352 kb/s 1411 kb/s Sample Rate 22.05 kHz 44.10 kHz 1411 kb/s is an admittedly awkward and redundant way to say 16 bit resolution. ( 1411 * 1000 / 44100 = 32, and since we're stereo that's 16 per channel. Also 1 kb usually is 1024 bits, but I guess it's a marketing thing to call it "1411 kb/s" ) So you have 44.1 kHz/16 bit stereo, which is CD quality. According to the specs. Bernhard On 16.05.2007, at 04:02, L.A. Angulo wrote: > yes,thanx for the link folks,this is the one i meant > > http://www.xtrememac.com/audio/earphones_recorders/micromemo_video/ > > hmmm...then guess it looks better than it might be... > Luis > > > > --- Per Boysen wrote: > >> On 15 maj 2007, at 13.20, L.A. Angulo wrote: >> >>> Hi Per, >>> I saw a guy the other day with one ipod which had >> a >>> adaptable/removable microphone on the lower >> part,but i >>> forgot to ask him what model ipod he had.So you re >>> saying with a good mic think they be be just as >> good >>> as a say an Edirol R-09 or what u have? >> >> >> Yes, that's what I'm saying. I also said this: >> >>> As good as the mics you plug into it. And also as >>> good as the mic pre >>> amps sound. >> >> BTW, when you're talking about an "iPod", do you >> mean the brand name >> owned by Apple? Because in English "a pod" can be >> used for any kind >> of little unit used to transfer something. Me, I was >> specifically >> talking about the Zoom H4 and its built-in X matrix >> positioned stereo >> mics. I've been holding off from buying an iPod >> because there were no >> on that came with audio recording facility, so two >> years ago I bought >> the 30 GB iPod anyway, thinking I got "get a >> handheld dictaphone >> later on". So when the H4 launched on the market it >> was way better >> then I had been thinking about picking up. >> >> Two years ago I researched the market for recordable >> iPods and found >> nothing usable. Either you had to buy an old iPod >> model and run a >> Linux hack on it or you had to go with some add-on >> that didn't give >> the audi fidelity needed for music. And also, the >> iPod I wanted - >> with the biggest hard drive and video display - >> wasn't compatible >> with those "crappy fidelity" add-ons. That may have >> changed since >> then, but you have to do a web search to find out. >> >> Greetings from Sweden >> >> Per Boysen >> www.boysen.se (Swedish) >> www.looproom.com (international) >> http://www.myspace.com/looproom >> http://www.jamendo.com/en/artist/per.boysen/ >> http://www.jamendo.com/en/artist/lo.fi.lazer/ >> >> >> >> > > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > ______________ > Park yourself in front of a world of choices in alternative > vehicles. Visit the Yahoo! Auto Green Center. > http://autos.yahoo.com/green_center/ > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 16 07:22:59 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BDE523BEDE; Wed, 16 May 2007 07:22:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AgAAAJpOSkbUSnINk2dsb2JhbACQCQIBAQcGCAcFH552 Message-ID: <464AB15B.1080207@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Wed, 16 May 2007 08:23:07 +0100 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: ipods for field recordings References: <815170.58869.qm@web38607.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <6Ab5qD.A.LdG.TFrSGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70234 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 16 May 2007 07:22:59 +0000 (UTC) Bernhard Wagner LD wrote: > So you have 44.1 kHz/16 bit stereo, which is CD quality. According to > the specs. > > Bernhard That's a point. ..but what about the circuitry the mic has to go through before being digitised? The pre=amp and presumably the auto-volume control (limiter) are intended for capturing speech. andy butler > > > On 16.05.2007, at 04:02, L.A. Angulo wrote: > >> yes,thanx for the link folks,this is the one i meant >> >> http://www.xtrememac.com/audio/earphones_recorders/micromemo_video/ >> >> hmmm...then guess it looks better than it might be... >> Luis From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 16 08:23:30 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DF54F3BEE2; Wed, 16 May 2007 08:23:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: FS:Oberheim Echoplex in Europe Message-ID: <1179303805.464abf7df0208@www.correo.unam.mx> Date: Wed, 16 May 2007 03:23:25 -0500 (CDT) From: smaug@servidor.unam.mx MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: IMP/PHP IMAP webmail program 2.2.8 X-Originating-IP: 81.64.48.142 Resent-Message-ID: <0CwruC.A.SHB.C-rSGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70235 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 16 May 2007 08:23:30 +0000 (UTC) Hi, This time I'm going fully software (I'm keeping my repeater thought) for sale an OBERHEIM EDP, maxed memory, loop III,foot controlled ( a bit temperamental) asking 750 Euros. I'm Located in Paris, France. Thank you, Andy ------------------------------------------------- www.correo.unam.mx UNAMonos Comunicándonos From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 16 08:30:12 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 410B73BEF1; Wed, 16 May 2007 08:30:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=W69jklBz4ox12dkyRTwYh7KkS7N397R81jIXi58Ld6Xn3RFYcIn0Hw8ryaSN2MGwdv8Smxb1wj/afDY5oxjQDZz3VAkjVUnU5o1eCrHDCo7TblmFpDn3E4R8BitDvZxVjzpHNUwz0RIdzkl97doq3UM3QPEZfjmtUDSR4JtWpbo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=GLc+nejl//Z8MAb0TslOgwwPuy2jY/RsHraM+QU0uBBa0F+Ej5KkJkni1MrN6CxIR23HQGAqNxUuZYN0CYnEWqP51A/9oOq1EZF1r/cJjnnhg/Qsd2RL5qEmh8UDhl7ugMea4sPNJtDt1B0Xi02dN+7uwLg+6NZvH2a+YOpTyew= Message-ID: Date: Wed, 16 May 2007 10:30:10 +0200 From: "fred dutertre" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: foot controller in europe MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70236 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 16 May 2007 08:30:12 +0000 (UTC) Hi I'm looking for a new echoplex foot controller for replace my own old. but there is no distributor in France & american website don't ship to France. I appreciate if someone can buy it & send it to me in France to my personal postal adress (So, I pay you by bank transfert before you send it ;-) or if you have an adress to buy it in Europe..... thanks for your help fred From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 16 13:27:42 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 65C8F3BEE7; Wed, 16 May 2007 13:27:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <727837.81977.qm@web38612.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <727837.81977.qm@web38612.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1--848611756 Message-Id: <4a8ec2fa7255cde9a36acc98075f18d4@glasswing.com> From: Richard Sales Subject: Re: Mics Date: Wed, 16 May 2007 06:27:31 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70237 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 16 May 2007 13:27:42 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-1--848611756 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; delsp=yes; format=flowed I thought it was Sennheiser E609. They are cheap ($80 USD)and sound =20 very good. They say the old 409s sound better... haven't used one. richard sales glassWing farm and studio vancouver island, b.c. 800.545.6846 250.752.4816 www.glassWing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com On 15-May-07, at 7:43 PM, L.A. Angulo wrote: > For what is worth a friend of mine swears by the > SENNHEISER E606 for miking a guitar amp live,,he says > it makes the sm57 sounds like a cheap radio mic. > Gotta try it see if its true! > Luis > > > --- samba - wrote: > >> >> I like the Sennheiser 421. It's what I prefer for >> percussion. unless a >> supercardiod 441 is available. I don't own >> either-they're expensive.They had >> an ad in recording magazine picturing an >> oscilloscpope reading of 421 >> reading a starting pistol ( for starting races) and >> it just shows this big >> black blip. I would have expected total >> distortion,but it was clean as a >> whstle.. Sennheiser has some stage mics,clearly >> designed to compete with >> Shures that sound great. I have some experience w >> Neuman kms 105s >> ,incredible . AKG has new stage mics ,c-5 condenser >> and d-5,dynamic >> >> > _________________________________________________________________ >> More photos, more messages, more storage=97get 2GB >> with Windows Live Hotmail. >> > http://imagine-windowslive.com/hotmail/?locale=3Den-=20 > us&ocid=3DTXT_TAGHM_migration_HM_mini_2G_0507 >> >> > > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom > > > > = _______________________________________________________________________=20= > _____________Need a vacation? Get great deals > to amazing places on Yahoo! Travel. > http://travel.yahoo.com/ > --Apple-Mail-1--848611756 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=WINDOWS-1252 I thought it was Sennheiser E609. They are cheap ($80 USD)and sound very good. They say the old 409s sound better... haven't used one.=20 Gadgetrichard sales 7373,7F7F,C5C5glassWing farm and studio vancouver island, b.c. 800.545.6846 250.752.4816C3C3,9696,1C1C www.glassWing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com On 15-May-07, at 7:43 PM, L.A. Angulo wrote: For what is worth a friend of mine swears by the SENNHEISER E606 for miking a guitar amp live,,he says it makes the sm57 sounds like a cheap radio mic. Gotta try it see if its true! Luis --- samba - < wrote: I like the Sennheiser 421. It's what I prefer for percussion. unless a=20 supercardiod 441 is available. I don't own either-they're expensive.They had=20 an ad in recording magazine picturing an oscilloscpope reading of 421=20 reading a starting pistol ( for starting races) and it just shows this big=20 black blip. I would have expected total distortion,but it was clean as a=20 whstle.. Sennheiser has some stage mics,clearly designed to compete with=20 Shures that sound great. I have some experience w Neuman kms 105s=20 ,incredible . AKG has new stage mics ,c-5 condenser and d-5,dynamic = ________________________________________________________________= _ More photos, more messages, more storage=97get 2GB with Windows Live Hotmail.=20 = http://imagine-windowslive.com/hotmail/?locale=3Den-us&ocid=3DTX= T_TAGHM_migration_HM_mini_2G_0507 www.myspace.com/luisangulocom = __________________________________________________________________________= __________Need a vacation? Get great deals to amazing places on Yahoo! Travel. http://travel.yahoo.com/ = --Apple-Mail-1--848611756-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 16 13:54:13 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DCCCC3BEF4; Wed, 16 May 2007 13:54:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Wed, 16 May 2007 15:54:10 +0200 Message-Id: Subject: Re:foot controller in europe MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Sensitivity: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: "Sjaak" To: "Loopers-Delight" X-XaM3-API-Version: 4.1 (B54) X-type: 0 X-SenderIP: 217.68.49.65 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70238 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 16 May 2007 13:54:13 +0000 (UTC) Hi, www.thomann.de sell new Echoplexes so you migth ask them to order a new f= oot controller. I buy a lot of my stuff at Thomann: good prices and good = service. Sjaak Fred wrote: > Hi, > I'm looking for a new echoplex foot controller for replace my own old. > but there is no distributor in France & american website don't ship to = France. =0A---=0AScarlet ADSL20, 20 Mbits down, 1 Mbits up, 60 GB volume, http://= www.scarlet.be/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 16 14:22:33 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3B8423BEF4; Wed, 16 May 2007 14:22:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: 16 May 2007 16:22:30 +0200 Message-ID: <12457.62.2.75.66.1179325350.squirrel@webmail.perspectix.com> From: "Bernhard Wagner LD" Reply-To: loopdelightml-NDI3MDE=-@bernhardwagner.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: foot controller in europe User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70239 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 16 May 2007 14:22:33 +0000 (UTC) > I'm looking for a new echoplex foot controller for replace my own old. Consider fixing it or having it fixed. It is a very simple construction. Search the archives and you'll find many contributions how to deal with shaky EDP foot controllers. Bernhard From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 16 14:39:49 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D9FA73BEF3; Wed, 16 May 2007 14:39:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <464B17A8.1000906@mhorse.com> Date: Wed, 16 May 2007 09:39:36 -0500 From: Daryl Shawn User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.10 (Windows/20070221) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Paris/London looping? References: <815170.58869.qm@web38607.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70240 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 16 May 2007 14:39:49 +0000 (UTC) I'm visiting London and Paris the next couple of weeks, and wanted to see if there are any loopish events going on. This is a "romantic" trip with my girlfriend, so I'm not exactly sure if I can catch any music she tends to dismiss as "geeky", but if I can sneak out I'd love to see something. If you are playing any events, or know of others' gigs, please email me offlist. (vegetarian-friendly restaurant suggestions would be welcome too!) 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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 16 15:25:30 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A6BB83BEF0; Wed, 16 May 2007 15:25:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=Q4+teCRSjGU1FHqO1hg5cFqUYASCU5Xlgc4yFHJTFkAAW2pamWdz8LVqtXfFExvTlRLF2oo9B+uI2I4G7P2PGOnc07rJrO/sP34eFGZ32XniD/OtNiRfnT2xI87/qy8LyeXGtRpECaXKAMDLfSqkChn1Q7J90H4UWlXyXrBdIBM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=abkeYyG2DROcdkwJa9cul1zeuTLdCWUYJKFDX7p91iqEphxLOqpCNu+U7ayHE2A7Vc51nG1z3inKXk3iefuLio8tZ7UerskEpXRC/S+XDJ/pNNM30k6T1h6lZLPnKeINU/aotuZGCPnJ6wJQUmnQZvsl1OyZv1uVNlwpj+vGPk0= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <464B17A8.1000906@mhorse.com> References: <815170.58869.qm@web38607.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <464B17A8.1000906@mhorse.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <5EC19A1C-4A5A-4CD9-9717-08F38ECE481F@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Paris/London looping? Date: Wed, 16 May 2007 17:08:23 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70241 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 16 May 2007 15:25:30 +0000 (UTC) On 16 maj 2007, at 16.39, Daryl Shawn wrote: > I'm visiting London and Paris the next couple of weeks, and wanted > to see if there are any loopish events going on. This is a > "romantic" trip with my girlfriend, so I'm not exactly sure if I > can catch any music she tends to dismiss as "geeky", but if I can > sneak out I'd love to see something. L-O-L!!! This post really cracked me up... Hope you'll have a good time. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://www.myspace.com/looproom http://www.jamendo.com/en/artist/per.boysen/ http://www.jamendo.com/en/artist/lo.fi.lazer/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 16 15:35:44 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3F1DF3BEFF; Wed, 16 May 2007 15:35:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: Loopy events Hamburg or Berlin perhaps... Date: Wed, 16 May 2007 17:35:57 +0200 Organization: Moinlabs Message-ID: <000001c797cf$e611f730$1001a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0001_01C797E0.A99AC730" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: AceXz+XA6kN/9EPASnyhB1wnoopKbA== X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-RZG-AUTH: lUESeo99iNzPL8kuBgLYdKEqUywq9cxqeRA+BtFcSCD5deQ7OIJb4avzkg== X-RZG-CLASS-ID: mo07 Resent-Message-ID: <1Kj0VB.A.DaF.PTySGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70242 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 16 May 2007 15:35:44 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C797E0.A99AC730 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ok, in my case this is not romantic (hello Daryl) - I'm visiting Berlin and Hamburg the next days. Planned itinerary is Thursday and Friday evening Hamburg, Tonight late night Berlin and Saturday Berlin or Hamburg. So if anyone has any music recommendations to make at either place (not necesarily looping) or wants to join for drinks or whatever, just drop a line. Thanks, Rainer ------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C797E0.A99AC730 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
ok, in = my case this=20 is not romantic (hello Daryl) - I'm visiting Berlin and Hamburg the next = days.
Planned itinerary is=20 Thursday and Friday evening Hamburg, Tonight late night Berlin and = Saturday=20 Berlin or Hamburg.
 
So if = anyone has any=20 music recommendations to make at either place (not necesarily looping) = or wants=20 to join for drinks or whatever, just drop a line.
 
Thanks,
 
       =20 Rainer
 
 
------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C797E0.A99AC730-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 16 15:35:44 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9A8093BF0E; Wed, 16 May 2007 15:35:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AgAAAHHBSkbUSnILk2dsb2JhbACQCAEBAQEHBggHBR+eaw Message-ID: <464B2206.7010900@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Wed, 16 May 2007 16:23:50 +0100 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Mics References: <727837.81977.qm@web38612.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4a8ec2fa7255cde9a36acc98075f18d4@glasswing.com> In-Reply-To: <4a8ec2fa7255cde9a36acc98075f18d4@glasswing.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Antivirus-Scanner: Scanned with ClamAV Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70243 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 16 May 2007 15:35:44 +0000 (UTC) Richard Sales wrote: > I thought it was Sennheiser E609. They are cheap ($80 USD)and sound very > good. They say the old 409s sound better... haven't used one. > > For what is worth a friend of mine swears by the > SENNHEISER E606 for miking a guitar amp live,,he says > it makes the sm57 sounds like a cheap radio mic. > Gotta try it see if its true! > Luis the 609 is the same mic in silver the 906 a different mic with a similar appearance not tried any of them, but will all give that "Pink Floyd at Pompeii" look (I guess that was the 409??) andybutler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 16 17:12:51 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 569653BEF9; Wed, 16 May 2007 17:12:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: <464B17A8.1000906@mhorse.com> References: <815170.58869.qm@web38607.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <464B17A8.1000906@mhorse.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-3--835093761 Message-Id: <0B947443-620C-4BE2-9CDD-430B0D44290C@zoekeating.com> From: Zoe Keating Subject: Re: Paris/London looping? Date: Wed, 16 May 2007 10:12:49 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70244 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 16 May 2007 17:12:51 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-3--835093761 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed LOL!! bet Steve Lawson knows of what's happining on that side of the pond. On May 16, 2007, at 7:39 AM, Daryl Shawn wrote: > This is a "romantic" trip with my girlfriend, so I'm not exactly > sure if I can catch any music she tends to dismiss as "geeky", --Apple-Mail-3--835093761 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 LOL!!

bet Steve Lawson knows of = what's happining on that side of the pond.

On = May 16, 2007, at 7:39 AM, Daryl Shawn wrote:

This is a "romantic" trip = with my girlfriend, so I'm not exactly sure if I can catch any music she = tends to dismiss as "geeky",=A0

=

= --Apple-Mail-3--835093761-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 16 17:29:04 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 16EFE3BF05; Wed, 16 May 2007 17:29:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <20070515092442.jz4gk8k8skggosk4@webmail.spamcop.net> Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 09:24:42 -0400 From: David Kuznick To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: HOOOOORAY FOR US!!!!!!! References: <20070514141338.44A3F3BEB6@arsenic.violacea.com> <4648D489.7060406@addcom.de> In-Reply-To: <4648D489.7060406@addcom.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 4.0-cvs Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70245 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 16 May 2007 17:29:03 +0000 (UTC) Quoting Stefan Tiedje : > Luigi Meloni schrieb: > > I will be forced to buy it on amazon, cdbuy or other internet vendor. > > This reminds me, when I was looking for BLUE, even Fnac the biggest > record store in Paris wouldn't have it and the personel even had never > heard of Bill Bruford in their life... > I found it on ebay for 1 Euro + shipping (which was more... ;-) It doesn't have very good distribution; I'm pretty sure it's on Tony's Papa Bear Records. There's a live double CD too: Blue Nights. My wife and I saw them play the House of Blues in Cambridge, MA. Great show, though it's such a horrible venue: long and narrow. Tony's parents were there. -- David Kuznick dkuznickATalumni.brandeis.edu "Once I thought I saw you in a crowded hazy bar, dancing on the light from star to star. Far across the moonbeam I know that's who you are, I saw your brown eyes turning once to fire." Like a Hurricane - NEIL YOUNG From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 16 18:11:38 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2B3C33BF01; Wed, 16 May 2007 18:11:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=RQ9e0TvkUNW7KXGoOsocAljZb0Wl9EjVsdMAtF7ldk6hvXm+MLTpW1Kr3LOa81G17j+Guwi0OmietlkHNy/GjPfJHO2EtxYt6oaOHs9As1Ebm543U3UhiAcVz+9haLg3ltKfdLsURdDFCvQxPYlO98c8K6RgagpzLxNOLrGrjeM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=FrbiNdltZl/q5vqK07/f7udT+M0RUir7/x9e531VFO4Kt8gpLLXeNP3Vtd9rUZsbMky5xG5LDz6uqaPFdjoi85FqV7O3dwjwcW/exWQ1QvX43MMHSGicYfc3/wNwWRv7EIz0IPG+687v3Wdu6xfVK8RAnIYXN/zWkQIMIuIU4gc= Message-ID: <9e0440a60705161111w22cf31a2x6a0c44ca74c5fc10@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 16 May 2007 14:11:33 -0400 From: "Jim Goodin" To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: link to recent GP article on Y2K MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_25380_6647181.1179339093522" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70246 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 16 May 2007 18:11:38 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_25380_6647181.1179339093522 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Hello to all. I sent this yesterday but learned that the attachment possibly was stripped out so here's a link to a scan of the recent GP article on Y2K6. Many have talked about this and don't know if all can get the magazine easily so here's a look. Great spread and congrads to Rick/Bill and all those who got "ink" on this. As echo'd earlier it was just very cool and inspiring for me to get to be part of this in a remote sense and begin my involvement with LD. http://www.chinapaintingmusic.com/production/GP_Y2K6_LoopFest.pdf Cheers from NY... Jim www.jimgoodinmusic.com www.chinapaintingmusic.com -- The Acoustic World Guitar of Jim Goodin - http://www.jimgoodinmusic.com MySpace (solo) - http://www.myspace.com/jimgoodinmusic Chinapainting - http://www.chinapaintingmusic.com Chinapainting on My Space - http://www.myspace.com/chinapaintingmusic.com The Jim Goodin label and home for 7 other creative souls - http://www.woodandwiremusic.com Jim Goodin uses GHS Strings - http://www.ghsstrings.com and Seagull Guitars - http://www.seagullguitars.com, Jim Goodin is published by Mel Bay Publications, Inc. - http://www.melbay.com Associates and friends on the web - Daryl Shawn - http://www.swanwelder.com Adam Werner - http://www.adamwerner.com John Stowell - http://www.johnstowell.com Matt Richards - http://www.mattrichardsmusic.net Michael Manring - http://www.manthing.com Will Ackerman - http://www.williamackerman.com New Land Music - http://www.newlandmusic.com ------=_Part_25380_6647181.1179339093522 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline
Hello to all.  I sent this yesterday but learned that the attachment possibly was stripped out so here's a link to a scan of the recent GP article on Y2K6.  Many have talked about this and don't know if all can get the magazine easily so here's a look.  Great spread and congrads to Rick/Bill and all those who got "ink" on this.  As echo'd earlier it was just very cool and inspiring for me to get to be part of this in a remote sense and begin my involvement with LD.
 
 
Cheers from NY...
 
Jim


--
The Acoustic World Guitar of Jim Goodin  - http://www.jimgoodinmusic.com
MySpace (solo) - http://www.myspace.com/jimgoodinmusic
Chinapainting -
http://www.chinapaintingmusic.com
Chinapainting on My Space -
http://www.myspace.com/chinapaintingmusic.com
The Jim Goodin label and home for 7 other creative souls - http://www.woodandwiremusic.com
Jim Goodin uses GHS Strings - http://www.ghsstrings.com and Seagull Guitars - http://www.seagullguitars.com, Jim Goodin is published by Mel Bay Publications, Inc. - http://www.melbay.com

Associates and friends on the web -
Daryl Shawn -
http://www.swanwelder.com
Adam Werner - http://www.adamwerner.com
John Stowell - http://www.johnstowell.com
Matt Richards - http://www.mattrichardsmusic.net
Michael Manring - http://www.manthing.com
Will Ackerman - http://www.williamackerman.com
New Land Music - http://www.newlandmusic.com
------=_Part_25380_6647181.1179339093522-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 16 18:25:29 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 349ED3BF11; Wed, 16 May 2007 18:25:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <464B2206.7010900@tiscali.co.uk> References: <727837.81977.qm@web38612.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4a8ec2fa7255cde9a36acc98075f18d4@glasswing.com> <464B2206.7010900@tiscali.co.uk> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1--830773354 Message-Id: <189afbb8dcbe23045957a7e3b37cbf34@glasswing.com> From: Richard Sales Subject: Re: Mics Date: Wed, 16 May 2007 11:24:49 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70247 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 16 May 2007 18:25:29 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-1--830773354 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Don't know about the 906. I learned about the 409 and 609 from Mike Gillies who works with Metallica. The 409 looks identical to the 609 but in usual mic manufacturer fashion, they 'improved' it and, rumor has it, it doesn't sound as good. But I've used the 609 in the studio here and have had it used on my amps live and it sounds good to me! Don't know if they'd be a good all around mic. But I did read about someone using a Shure Green Bullet (nasty harp mic) for vocals and stuff so who knows? Anything goes! Still think I like the Sennheiser 421 better for all around. Great for toms, kick, guitar amps, nuclear explosions. Also, did a live TV thing where they mic'd my acoustic guitar with a 421 and it sounded really great. Paul Smith says the older 421s are the ones to get. Don't own any of those so can't say but he has pretty good ears for guitar amp mic'ing and electric guitars in general. I have to go on the recommendations of friends I trust on a lot of this stuff because music stores give me the jitters. Too many Van Halens... too much data... big hair, hype etc. So I generally buy stuff that's been recommended highly by folks I trust and who's work I've heard... and then force it to do what I need by placement, eq etc. Pink Floyd at Pompeii? The wildest looking mic is the Sony machine gun. Can't remember the number. Very expensive. Tried it and didn't like it... but it sure looks cool. David Sylvian uses one on vox. And his vox sound great! But it didn't work for me so I got the Neumann M149. richard sales glassWing farm and studio vancouver island, b.c. 800.545.6846 250.752.4816 www.glassWing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com On 16-May-07, at 8:23 AM, andy butler wrote: > Richard Sales wrote: >> I thought it was Sennheiser E609. They are cheap ($80 USD)and sound >> very good. They say the old 409s sound better... haven't used one. > >> For what is worth a friend of mine swears by the >> SENNHEISER E606 for miking a guitar amp live,,he says >> it makes the sm57 sounds like a cheap radio mic. >> Gotta try it see if its true! >> Luis > > the 609 is the same mic in silver the 906 a different mic with a > similar appearance > > not tried any of them, but will all give that "Pink Floyd at Pompeii" > look > (I guess that was the 409??) > > andybutler > --Apple-Mail-1--830773354 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=US-ASCII Don't know about the 906. I learned about the 409 and 609 from Mike Gillies who works with Metallica. The 409 looks identical to the 609 but in usual mic manufacturer fashion, they 'improved' it and, rumor has it, it doesn't sound as good. But I've used the 609 in the studio here and have had it used on my amps live and it sounds good to me! Don't know if they'd be a good all around mic. But I did read about someone using a Shure Green Bullet (nasty harp mic) for vocals and stuff so who knows? Anything goes! Still think I like the Sennheiser 421 better for all around. Great for toms, kick, guitar amps, nuclear explosions. Also, did a live TV thing where they mic'd my acoustic guitar with a 421 and it sounded really great. Paul Smith says the older 421s are the ones to get. Don't own any of those so can't say but he has pretty good ears for guitar amp mic'ing and electric guitars in general. I have to go on the recommendations of friends I trust on a lot of this stuff because music stores give me the jitters. Too many Van Halens... too much data... big hair, hype etc. So I generally buy stuff that's been recommended highly by folks I trust and who's work I've heard... and then force it to do what I need by placement, eq etc. Pink Floyd at Pompeii? The wildest looking mic is the Sony machine gun. Can't remember the number. Very expensive. Tried it and didn't like it... but it sure looks cool. David Sylvian uses one on vox. And his vox sound great! But it didn't work for me so I got the Neumann M149. Gadgetrichard sales 7373,7F7F,C5C5glassWing farm and studio vancouver island, b.c. 800.545.6846 250.752.4816C3C3,9696,1C1C www.glassWing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com On 16-May-07, at 8:23 AM, andy butler wrote: Richard Sales wrote: I thought it was Sennheiser E609. They are cheap ($80 USD)and sound very good. They say the old 409s sound better... haven't used one. For what is worth a friend of mine swears by the SENNHEISER E606 for miking a guitar amp live,,he says it makes the sm57 sounds like a cheap radio mic. Gotta try it see if its true! Luis the 609 is the same mic in silver the 906 a different mic with a similar appearance not tried any of them, but will all give that "Pink Floyd at Pompeii" look (I guess that was the 409??) andybutler --Apple-Mail-1--830773354-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 16 19:09:44 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 770BB3BF13; Wed, 16 May 2007 19:09:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [90.200.69.128] X-Originating-Email: [simeonharris@hotmail.com] X-Sender: simeonharris@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <464B17A8.1000906@mhorse.com> From: "simeon harris" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Paris/London looping? Date: Wed, 16 May 2007 19:09:41 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 May 2007 19:09:41.0963 (UTC) FILETIME=[C1E879B0:01C797ED] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70248 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 16 May 2007 19:09:44 +0000 (UTC) >I'm visiting London and Paris the next couple of weeks, and wanted to see >if there are any loopish events going on. i'm playing here on the 29th...not strictly looping, but i'll be doing my darndest to sneak some in http://improvizone.com/ _________________________________________________________________ The next generation of Hotmail is here! http://www.newhotmail.co.uk/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 16 20:50:57 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DB14B3BF0E; Wed, 16 May 2007 20:50:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=hi+b3NFQorDnNwrWTd+Ojl4OZ7h5uoajaXUykF/nzZtdzSAAVN3kvkzOSJJopdPamamfgw/vvDNufOh3Kdd+0N6TRHWykP4HgO8mSsi0b0uQuMYZopAIQjAmPjAt0MqWO8zQ1/uwsXCMey17/ziTVroepsPAr4eU/8VzmQJ4DLg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=KJ4ZqkfxNTcmM7ZPatCwvrRCVDWCUjdBguPbwynWgj3lyB/oP0QGGiz+AzC/xaIy1TWzJH9/pdeRvTFCn5sF+xxVzgYPnCUAZpOi4LrCS1VnEbG1VpEQhfcBlRfIFSWWo74DnGAEJcGrAMWEgGGWV54mgQ+XAr2PDr4u+ugal2A= Message-ID: Date: Wed, 16 May 2007 21:50:56 +0100 From: Os Sender: expertsleepers@googlemail.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Paris/London looping? In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <464B17A8.1000906@mhorse.com> X-Google-Sender-Auth: ada89397125cdf7c Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70249 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 16 May 2007 20:50:57 +0000 (UTC) Well what do you know, I'm playing at that too! And I'll definitely be looping. I might even be looping you, since I'm bringing laptop and no instruments per se. cheers, os. On 16/05/07, simeon harris wrote: > > > >I'm visiting London and Paris the next couple of weeks, and wanted to see > >if there are any loopish events going on. > > i'm playing here on the 29th...not strictly looping, but i'll be doing my > darndest to sneak some in > > http://improvizone.com/ > > _________________________________________________________________ > The next generation of Hotmail is here! http://www.newhotmail.co.uk/ > > -- os@collective.co.uk http://www.collective.co.uk/ http://www.myspace.com/darkroomtheband From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 16 21:02:14 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 166793BF01; Wed, 16 May 2007 21:02:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <007201c797fd$9ff2fb90$19b2a8c0@netzrechner> Reply-To: "Tilmann Dehnhard" From: "Tilmann Dehnhard" To: References: <9e0440a60705161111w22cf31a2x6a0c44ca74c5fc10@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: link to recent GP article on Y2K Date: Wed, 16 May 2007 23:03:15 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_006F_01C7980E.6264DD50" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1/G2RKLcXcwaWV9CNXQyVg7QguNitlcbxj10DE nNPTccZmikXRpziGVhewplJ7hS9miu8uVIHvlUbkAetgkjk4eV /8I0hO6e3UmHjV3Accuz4k8Zz0QYlsO Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70250 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 16 May 2007 21:02:13 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_006F_01C7980E.6264DD50 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable groovy!=20 nice to connect some faces with group member's names. smooth loops to everybody, tilmann www.dehnhard.com=20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Jim Goodin=20 To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 8:11 PM Subject: link to recent GP article on Y2K Hello to all. I sent this yesterday but learned that the attachment = possibly was stripped out so here's a link to a scan of the recent GP = article on Y2K6. Many have talked about this and don't know if all can = get the magazine easily so here's a look. Great spread and congrads to = Rick/Bill and all those who got "ink" on this. As echo'd earlier it was = just very cool and inspiring for me to get to be part of this in a = remote sense and begin my involvement with LD.=20 http://www.chinapaintingmusic.com/production/GP_Y2K6_LoopFest.pdf Cheers from NY... Jim www.jimgoodinmusic.com www.chinapaintingmusic.com --=20 The Acoustic World Guitar of Jim Goodin - = http://www.jimgoodinmusic.com MySpace (solo) - http://www.myspace.com/jimgoodinmusic=20 Chinapainting - http://www.chinapaintingmusic.com Chinapainting on My Space - http://www.myspace.com/chinapaintingmusic.com=20 The Jim Goodin label and home for 7 other creative souls - = http://www.woodandwiremusic.com=20 Jim Goodin uses GHS Strings - http://www.ghsstrings.com and Seagull = Guitars - http://www.seagullguitars.com, Jim Goodin is published by Mel = Bay Publications, Inc. - http://www.melbay.com Associates and friends on the web - Daryl Shawn - http://www.swanwelder.com Adam Werner - http://www.adamwerner.com John Stowell - http://www.johnstowell.com Matt Richards - http://www.mattrichardsmusic.net Michael Manring - http://www.manthing.com Will Ackerman - http://www.williamackerman.com New Land Music - http://www.newlandmusic.com ------=_NextPart_000_006F_01C7980E.6264DD50 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
groovy!
nice to connect some faces with  = group=20 member's names.
smooth loops to everybody, = tilmann
 
www.dehnhard.com
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Jim=20 Goodin
To: loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 = 8:11=20 PM
Subject: link to recent GP = article on=20 Y2K

Hello to all.  I sent this yesterday but learned that the = attachment=20 possibly was stripped out so here's a link to a scan of the recent GP = article=20 on Y2K6.  Many have talked about this and don't know if all can = get the=20 magazine easily so here's a look.  Great spread and congrads to = Rick/Bill=20 and all those who got "ink" on this.  As echo'd earlier it was = just very=20 cool and inspiring for me to get to be part of this in a remote = sense and=20 begin my involvement with LD.
 
http://www.chinapaintingmusic.com/production/GP_Y2K6_LoopFest.pdf
 
Cheers from NY...
 
Jim
www.chinapaintingmusic.com=


--
The Acoustic World Guitar of Jim=20 Goodin  - http://www.jimgoodinmusic.com<= BR>MySpace=20 (solo) - http://www.myspace.com/jim= goodinmusic=20
Chinapainting -
http://www.chinapaintingmusic.= com
Chinapainting=20 on My Space -
http://www.myspace= .com/chinapaintingmusic.com=20
The Jim Goodin label and home for 7 other creative souls - http://www.woodandwiremusic.com<= /A>=20
Jim Goodin uses GHS Strings - http://www.ghsstrings.com and = Seagull=20 Guitars - http://www.seagullguitars.com,= Jim=20 Goodin is published by Mel Bay Publications, Inc. - http://www.melbay.com

Associate= s and=20 friends on the web -
Daryl Shawn -
http://www.swanwelder.com
Adam = Werner=20 - http://www.adamwerner.com
John = Stowell - http://www.johnstowell.com
Mat= t=20 Richards - http://www.mattrichardsmusic.ne= t
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------=_NextPart_000_006F_01C7980E.6264DD50-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 16 21:46:07 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 094623BF15; Wed, 16 May 2007 21:46:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <40AF7798-6EF2-4DAE-8ACA-466995E891EB@tansyspinks.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tansy Spinks Subject: violin loops Date: Wed, 16 May 2007 22:50:19 +0100 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Authenticated-Sender: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70251 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 16 May 2007 21:46:07 +0000 (UTC) > I am a Boss RC20 fan - using it with my electric violin to build up > live performances > see Quicktime clip at www.tansyspinks.com under gallery/performance > I think it's an incredible device - changes your life and all that... > > Tansy > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 16 21:52:11 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7E26E3BF0C; Wed, 16 May 2007 21:52:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <464B7D00.1030603@mhorse.com> Date: Wed, 16 May 2007 16:52:00 -0500 From: Daryl Shawn User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.10 (Windows/20070221) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Paris/London looping? References: <464B17A8.1000906@mhorse.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70252 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 16 May 2007 21:52:11 +0000 (UTC) Cool! This looks like a great series and it'd be great to meet folks. I've also been told of Andy Butler and Stephen Scott playing up in Norwich. A blog entry on the Improvizone site reminds me that, while English is spoken, I'm still going to feel like a stranger there. "The Big Smirk"? "Camden"? "total Horlicks"? "jack in the band"? huh? Thanks for the suggestions everyone, looks like I've got a number of options for music and hanging out if I can just break away from the (ugh) romance! Daryl Shawn www.swanwelder.com www.chinapaintingmusic.com > Well what do you know, I'm playing at that too! And I'll definitely be > looping. > >> i'm playing here on the 29th...not strictly looping, but i'll be >> doing my >> darndest to sneak some in >> >> http://improvizone.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 16 22:00:59 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EDE593BF0E; Wed, 16 May 2007 22:00:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Wed, 16 May 2007 16:00:54 -0600 Message-Id: <200705162200.l4GM0sfB012935@minds-eye.org> From: "Kevin Cheli-Colando" To: "Loop" Reply-To: kevin@minds-eye.org Subject: New Repeater Software available X-Mailer: NeoMail 1.25 X-IPAddress: 137.150.33.94 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70253 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 16 May 2007 22:00:58 +0000 (UTC) Just got this in my inbox. Sorry if this is old news ---- Electrix Pro, Inc. to Release Repeater Operating Software V.2.01 SBD Music, Inc. Phone: (800) 981-4531 Fax: (949) 462-3062 E-mail: info@electrixpro.com Laguna Hills, California (May 16th, 2007) - Electrix Pro, Inc., a division of SBD Music, Inc., has announced its plan to release new Operating System software V.2.01 for all existing Repeater users. End users can purchase the OS software V.2.01 upgrade for US $129 by logging on to the Electrix Pro, Inc. web site after 5/17/07 or contacting sales@electrixpro.com. Electrix 800-981-4531 F: 949-462-3062 www.electrixpro.com A division of SBD Music, Inc. -- Till now you seriously considered yourself to be the body and to have a form. That is the primal ignorance which is the root cause of all trouble. - Ramana Maharshi (1879-1950) Sound and Vision: http://www.minds-eye.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 16 22:08:22 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B150D3BED2; Wed, 16 May 2007 22:08:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <464B80CE.8080601@mhorse.com> Date: Wed, 16 May 2007 17:08:14 -0500 From: Daryl Shawn User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.10 (Windows/20070221) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: link to recent GP article on Y2K References: <9e0440a60705161111w22cf31a2x6a0c44ca74c5fc10@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <9e0440a60705161111w22cf31a2x6a0c44ca74c5fc10@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70254 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 16 May 2007 22:08:22 +0000 (UTC) Thanks for doing this, Jim, it's so great to see this coverage and I just love those photos. Daryl Shawn www.swanwelder.com www.chinapaintingmusic.com > Hello to all. I sent this yesterday but learned that the attachment > possibly was stripped out so here's a link to a scan of the recent GP > article on Y2K6. Many have talked about this and don't know if all > can get the magazine easily so here's a look. Great spread and > congrads to Rick/Bill and all those who got "ink" on this. As echo'd > earlier it was just very cool and inspiring for me to get to be part > of this in a remote sense and begin my involvement with LD. > > http://www.chinapaintingmusic.com/production/GP_Y2K6_LoopFest.pdf From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 16 22:38:42 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A51833BF1D; Wed, 16 May 2007 22:38:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: cburke55@comcast.net (Christophe) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: John Cage on I've got a secret Date: Wed, 16 May 2007 22:38:39 +0000 Message-Id: <051620072238.11281.464B87EF0005967D00002C112200750784CACA0A059D9A0D0C@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Oct 4 2006) X-Authenticated-Sender: Y2J1cmtlNTVAY29tY2FzdC5uZXQ= Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70255 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 16 May 2007 22:38:42 +0000 (UTC) It really was the Golden Age of TV! -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: "Raul Bonell" > 2007/5/15, Michael Peters : > > > Subject: John Cage on I've got a secret > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSulycqZH-U > > > > thanks so much for posting. Wonderful !! > > I'd say "Delightful" !! ... > > Raül. > > -- > The Playing Orchestra: http://www.telefonica.net/web2/tpo > Chain Tape Collective: http://www.ct-collective.com > TPO at myspace: http://www.myspace.com/theplayingorchestra > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 16 23:17:57 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A59103BF1A; Wed, 16 May 2007 23:17:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <913F6389-5922-4074-BB31-FABE61512E37@mac.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: duncan goddard Subject: repeater news Date: Thu, 17 May 2007 00:18:14 +0100 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAA== X-Brightmail-scanned: yes Resent-Message-ID: <8Kp46.A.8JD.lE5SGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70256 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 16 May 2007 23:17:57 +0000 (UTC) loopers- I have been unsubscribed somehow for a few weeks. I am blaming XP for this, no matter how unreasonable that seems. but I didn't get around to doing anything about it until today, when out of the blue, I got an email from electrix. did anyone else hear from them? there's new software for the original repeater. no mention of the mk2, but it does rather look as though the new management are doing something for those of us who have been waiting. I don't know any more about the software except that they are shipping it on a cfc card for $129. there won't be a download option. the website is being tweaked right now, & the details will be visible tomorrow, I'm told. if you've got two or more repeaters, you only need pay for one copy. I don't know how they intend to police against illegal distribution...... please note new, non-mtv email address. it doesn't mean I've quit viacom, just that I've tired of wrestling with their mail policies. duncan. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 16 23:40:08 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 47B613BF26; Wed, 16 May 2007 23:40:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <1F1A5811-C144-44F9-8725-137AE523A1CB@zerocrossing.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Mark Sottilaro Subject: Electrix Pro, Inc. to Release Repeater Operating Software V.2.01 Date: Wed, 16 May 2007 16:39:53 -0700 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70257 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 16 May 2007 23:40:08 +0000 (UTC) OK, I had to resub when this hit my inbox. Hahaha! Right to 2.0.1 from 1.1? What happened to v2? Me? I DON'T CARE! I'm waiting for mobius 1.3 SUCKAHZ. BTW, it sure was nice running into Kim on Mother's Day in Emeryville (my new hood). Did I miss anything while moving? I'm sure eager to dig out of the rubble and get back to looping. Sincerely yours, Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 16 23:55:20 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 45D973BF23; Wed, 16 May 2007 23:55:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: <913F6389-5922-4074-BB31-FABE61512E37@mac.com> References: <913F6389-5922-4074-BB31-FABE61512E37@mac.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <4733E166-97B4-4AD2-AE8B-4C63FE9D1493@zoekeating.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Zoe Keating Subject: Re: repeater news Date: Wed, 16 May 2007 16:55:17 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70258 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 16 May 2007 23:55:20 +0000 (UTC) i got the email too. it irked me greatly that there was no hint of explanation or apology. just a message to cough up $129... an acknowledgement that i've been waiting 2 years for the repeater i ordered would be nice. then i would forgive them and gladly give them all my money. haven't they read any world history?? as punishment, i suggest participation in a large group awareness seminar for their customer service department. anyway, i debated NOT buying the upgrade out of irritation...but i want the upgrade and looks like i'll give them all my money anyway... so, in true co-dependent fashion, i'm happy there is some improvement in their behavior, i want to encourage them and i tried to buy it the minute i got the email! have to wait til tomorrow... i wonder if they're using this as a test to see how much interest there is before releasing mk2? since presumably those who buy the upgrade would also buy the new repeater. ahhh... On May 16, 2007, at 4:18 PM, duncan goddard wrote: > loopers- I have been unsubscribed somehow for a few weeks. I am > blaming XP for this, no matter how unreasonable that seems. > but I didn't get around to doing anything about it until today, > when out of the blue, I got an email from electrix. > > did anyone else hear from them? there's new software for the > original repeater. no mention of the mk2, but it does rather look > as though the new management are doing something for those of us > who have been waiting. > I don't know any more about the software except that they are > shipping it on a cfc card for $129. there won't be a download > option. the website is being tweaked right now, & the details will > be visible tomorrow, I'm told. if you've got two or more repeaters, > you only need pay for one copy. I don't know how they intend to > police against illegal distribution...... > > please note new, non-mtv email address. it doesn't mean I've quit > viacom, just that I've tired of wrestling with their mail policies. > > duncan. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 17 00:04:39 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A60F53BF2B; Thu, 17 May 2007 00:04:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <4733E166-97B4-4AD2-AE8B-4C63FE9D1493@zoekeating.com> References: <913F6389-5922-4074-BB31-FABE61512E37@mac.com> <4733E166-97B4-4AD2-AE8B-4C63FE9D1493@zoekeating.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <08F1BC97-74E2-4FEB-9E37-FC2264419871@zerocrossing.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Mark Sottilaro Subject: Re: repeater news Date: Wed, 16 May 2007 17:04:19 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70259 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 17 May 2007 00:04:39 +0000 (UTC) Personally, even though they claim to be "under new ownership" I'd sure wait until I saw something real out of anyone calling themselves "Electrix." You'd think they'd come on here and at least try and "make amends." Do they have any idea of how many pissed off Repeater owners there are? That said, I can't tell you how much fun it is abandoning the Repeater and going full on laptop. Sure, there are a few things I miss about it, but what I've gained following in Per's footsteps by going all Mobius is well worth it. Mark On May 16, 2007, at 4:55 PM, Zoe Keating wrote: > i got the email too. > > it irked me greatly that there was no hint of explanation or > apology. just a message to cough up $129... > > an acknowledgement that i've been waiting 2 years for the repeater > i ordered would be nice. then i would forgive them and gladly give > them all my money. haven't they read any world history?? as > punishment, i suggest participation in a large group awareness > seminar for their customer service department. > > anyway, i debated NOT buying the upgrade out of irritation...but i > want the upgrade and looks like i'll give them all my money anyway... > so, in true co-dependent fashion, i'm happy there is some > improvement in their behavior, i want to encourage them and i tried > to buy it the minute i got the email! have to wait til tomorrow... > > i wonder if they're using this as a test to see how much interest > there is before releasing mk2? since presumably those who buy the > upgrade would also buy the new repeater. > > ahhh... > > On May 16, 2007, at 4:18 PM, duncan goddard wrote: > >> loopers- I have been unsubscribed somehow for a few weeks. I am >> blaming XP for this, no matter how unreasonable that seems. >> but I didn't get around to doing anything about it until today, >> when out of the blue, I got an email from electrix. >> >> did anyone else hear from them? there's new software for the >> original repeater. no mention of the mk2, but it does rather look >> as though the new management are doing something for those of us >> who have been waiting. >> I don't know any more about the software except that they are >> shipping it on a cfc card for $129. there won't be a download >> option. the website is being tweaked right now, & the details will >> be visible tomorrow, I'm told. if you've got two or more >> repeaters, you only need pay for one copy. I don't know how they >> intend to police against illegal distribution...... >> >> please note new, non-mtv email address. it doesn't mean I've quit >> viacom, just that I've tired of wrestling with their mail policies. >> >> duncan. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 17 00:12:40 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AB7943BF32; Thu, 17 May 2007 00:12:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) To: Loop List Message-Id: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-37--809910922 From: Steve Lawson Subject: Re: Paris/London Looping... Date: Thu, 17 May 2007 01:12:31 +0100 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - dot1.hosting-ontap.co.uk X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - steve-lawson.co.uk X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: <2Oa60D.A.KMG.435SGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70260 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 17 May 2007 00:12:40 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-37--809910922 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed No idea what's going on in London over the next month or so as I'm off to the US tomorrow for 7 weeks... :o) See my myspace page for news of gigs in Ohio, Michigan, West Virginia, Georgia, Lousiana, Texas, and Nebraska, Tennessee, Virginia and North Carolina still to come, with any luck... :o) The Improvizone gigs sound wonderful - Andrew Booker is a fabulous drummer, also a great songwriter and singer, ideal as a host for such a gig. I'll have to see if I can get down to the July one when I'm back... ta ta! Steve www.stevelawson.net - site www.stevelawson.net/zencart/ - shop http://steve.anthropiccollective.org - blog www.myspace.com/solobassstevelawson --Apple-Mail-37--809910922 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 No idea what's going on in = London over the next month or so as I'm off to the US tomorrow for 7 = weeks... :o) See my myspace page for news of gigs in Ohio, Michigan, = West Virginia, Georgia, Lousiana, Texas, and Nebraska, Tennessee, = Virginia and North Carolina still to come, with any luck... :o)=A0
The Improvizone gigs sound = wonderful - Andrew Booker is a fabulous drummer, also a great songwriter = and singer, ideal as a host for such a gig. I'll have to see if I can = get down to the July one when I'm back...=A0

ta ta!=A0

http://steve.anthropiccollec= tive.org - = blog
www.myspace.com/solobassstevelawson



= --Apple-Mail-37--809910922-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 17 00:44:39 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 142C13BF2F; Thu, 17 May 2007 00:44:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Qua Veda" To: Subject: RE: Mics Date: Wed, 16 May 2007 17:44:28 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_003F_01C797E1.DB1BB390" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 In-Reply-To: <189afbb8dcbe23045957a7e3b37cbf34@glasswing.com> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Thread-Index: AceX6EUMiIFRWx89SMypeEEGOVXEvgANA/VQ Message-Id: <200705161749250.SM06916@quahome> X-RBL-Warning: REVDNS: This E-mail was sent from a MUA/MTA 206.212.233.27 with no reverse DNS entry. X-Declude-Sender: qua@oregon.com [206.212.233.27] X-Declude-Spoolname: Da68a05f30000993c.smd X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude JunkMail (www.declude.com) for spam. Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70261 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 17 May 2007 00:44:39 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_003F_01C797E1.DB1BB390 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit FYI the new issue of Recording Magazine is all about microphones. just got it in the mail, may not be on newstands yet -Q ------=_NextPart_000_003F_01C797E1.DB1BB390 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
FYI   the new issue of Recording = Magazine is=20 all about microphones.   just got it in the mail, may not be = on=20 newstands yet
 
-Q
 
------=_NextPart_000_003F_01C797E1.DB1BB390-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 17 00:51:34 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7E9E83BF35; Thu, 17 May 2007 00:51:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=sYUHv2sUAxbe7f7Ig5QsNP0p8koZ3d+4+XcxOyAWpCGJJly/NCCiKgQLxV4TPz8BSC9nC3yY2DRFqFBFw0VHBRsSjlXmeD+dmq9utyopZBtudY8kK3lt5gd6CszRx3ZbEuvUUKS02FQV0kZ1OZhTBv0QuXzIts9BO2aEb7tMaW8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=Dk17obqlwPcapezRhHkOYmxz9y3fHZRg72rtWjNDUj0WnjKAvIe9ufxD+rHbm44hWAl0jruCNkS9JTtwFCN1bqOpKohEssTYUr+U5BwMwfMr5DEy9O9BMKivaRit0HGIgivtDn/wAYPgNuNlULuHXjz0/sZTVMJpfxnMiq19yKs= Message-ID: Date: Wed, 16 May 2007 20:51:32 -0400 From: "phillip bob" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Boss RC50 looper Questions... MODs.. is this possible?? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70262 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 17 May 2007 00:51:34 +0000 (UTC) I would like to have a cable running to the drumset so that I can press record, play and start from over there.. The pedalbaord houses my RC50 at the front of stage.. but I sample effects from the drum location also.. and need to press RECORD from over there. (similar to how you guys use the Echoplex rack units) how to do this? and also.. the Expression Pedal outputs 1 and 2.. for just momemtary footswtiches to go up and down banks etc.. could I install right near that location two SPDT momentary swtiches DRILLED INTO the metal case of the pedal and just wire them up internally. sounds straight forward if there is room inside. are those two mods possible with the RC50? -phillip From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 17 01:07:40 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 716D73BF3F; Thu, 17 May 2007 01:07:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Originating-IP: [207.90.215.123] X-Identified-User: {864:box76.bluehost.com:kevinkis:kevinkissinger.com} {sentby:webmail from 207.90.215.123} Message-ID: <20070516200737.wl9yf3pwaoowkw8s@69.89.21.76> Date: Wed, 16 May 2007 20:07:37 -0500 From: kkissinger@kevinkissinger.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: link to recent GP article on Y2K References: <9e0440a60705161111w22cf31a2x6a0c44ca74c5fc10@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <9e0440a60705161111w22cf31a2x6a0c44ca74c5fc10@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.3) Resent-Message-ID: <_5o1D.A.kk.br6SGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70263 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 17 May 2007 01:07:40 +0000 (UTC) Quoting Jim Goodin : > http://www.chinapaintingmusic.com/production/GP_Y2K6_LoopFest.pdf Thank you for posting this. Fun to put some names and faces together. -- Kevin From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 17 01:22:49 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E380A3BF47; Thu, 17 May 2007 01:22:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: <08F1BC97-74E2-4FEB-9E37-FC2264419871@zerocrossing.net> References: <913F6389-5922-4074-BB31-FABE61512E37@mac.com> <4733E166-97B4-4AD2-AE8B-4C63FE9D1493@zoekeating.com> <08F1BC97-74E2-4FEB-9E37-FC2264419871@zerocrossing.net> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1--805696900 Message-Id: From: Zoe Keating Subject: Re: repeater news Date: Wed, 16 May 2007 18:22:45 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70264 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 17 May 2007 01:22:49 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-1--805696900 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed yeah, i would dig mobius if it there were an intel mac version. On May 16, 2007, at 5:04 PM, Mark Sottilaro wrote: > That said, I can't tell you how much fun it is abandoning the > Repeater and going full on laptop. Sure, there are a few things I > miss about it, but what I've gained following in Per's footsteps by > going all Mobius is well worth it. > > Mark --Apple-Mail-1--805696900 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 yeah, i would dig mobius if it = there were an intel mac version.=A0

On May 16, 2007, = at 5:04 PM, Mark Sottilaro wrote:

That said, I can't tell you = how much fun it is abandoning the Repeater and going full on = laptop.=A0 Sure, there are = a few things I miss about it, but what I've gained following in Per's = footsteps by going all Mobius is well worth it.


Mark


= --Apple-Mail-1--805696900-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 17 01:27:33 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 568083BF50; Thu, 17 May 2007 01:27:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=PmV+QCejwlvYHXGhnJCLPGzLLhPlDtJjWZOT7iYeWrWGsNxxTcq3WJG4Z+kSzIj1jA4WpqrEkUqMu0pAoYbjTrOKUK28AGwFFcOmKdP+vx5f5fKXosFH1C6J3Iiev5WVXOdJbTbGjxG8A6OCPDLhVX5Ac16uhNh2YAqvHmnzLQw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=Cvf3nlj0dZRbVGH3O/N/qFOY6H8oCC0Z2VDPEIyYAlZz0hYe7C+bn49e6C0bywDmUJWyjzX2F/fQpL5hejhYX6II6WHZ59harlbp8BLkjA3SfVkPt7XNLKWlp3yvdpnK+LsLav1TNntZvZRioIKmD3s0X14v0RW7a5Ya1aF51ng= Message-ID: <9e0440a60705161827k12d53568jea87d66f457dad32@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 16 May 2007 21:27:16 -0400 From: "Jim Goodin" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: John Cage on I've got a secret In-Reply-To: <051620072238.11281.464B87EF0005967D00002C112200750784CACA0A059D9A0D0C@comcast.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_31494_33465093.1179365236736" References: <051620072238.11281.464B87EF0005967D00002C112200750784CACA0A059D9A0D0C@comcast.net> Resent-Message-ID: <5EHFPC.A.GwB.E-6SGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70265 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 17 May 2007 01:27:33 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_31494_33465093.1179365236736 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline that was amazing... I was expecting 3:30ish seconds. Looking back from now it's so refreshing to see his thought process. Wonderful posting Samba.... On 5/16/07, Christophe wrote: > > > It really was the Golden Age of TV! > > -------------- Original message ---------------------- > From: "Raul Bonell" > > 2007/5/15, Michael Peters : > > > > Subject: John Cage on I've got a secret > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DSSulycqZH-U > > > > > > thanks so much for posting. Wonderful !! > > > > I'd say "Delightful" !! ... > > > > Ra=FCl. > > > > -- > > The Playing Orchestra: http://www.telefonica.net/web2/tpo > > Chain Tape Collective: http://www.ct-collective.com > > TPO at myspace: http://www.myspace.com/theplayingorchestra > > > > --=20 The Acoustic World Guitar of Jim Goodin - http://www.jimgoodinmusic.com MySpace (solo) - http://www.myspace.com/jimgoodinmusic Chinapainting - http://www.chinapaintingmusic.com Chinapainting on My Space - http://www.myspace.com/chinapaintingmusic.com The Jim Goodin label and home for 7 other creative souls - http://www.woodandwiremusic.com Jim Goodin uses GHS Strings - http://www.ghsstrings.com and Seagull Guitars - http://www.seagullguitars.com, Jim Goodin is published by Mel Bay Publications, Inc. - http://www.melbay.com Associates and friends on the web - Daryl Shawn - http://www.swanwelder.com Adam Werner - http://www.adamwerner.com John Stowell - http://www.johnstowell.com Matt Richards - http://www.mattrichardsmusic.net Michael Manring - http://www.manthing.com Will Ackerman - http://www.williamackerman.com New Land Music - http://www.newlandmusic.com ------=_Part_31494_33465093.1179365236736 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline that was amazing... I was expecting 3:30ish seconds.  Looking back fro= m now it's so refreshing to see his thought process.  Wonderful po= sting Samba....

On 5/16/07, = Christophe <cburke55@comcast= .net> wrote:

It really was the Golden Age= of TV!

-------------- Original message ----------------------
Fr= om: "Raul Bonell" < raul.bonell@gmail.com>
&= gt; 2007/5/15, Michael Peters <mp@mpete= rs.de>:
> > > Subject: John Cage on I've got a secre= t
> > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DSSulycqZH-U
> >
> >= thanks so much for posting. Wonderful !!
>
> I'd say "= ;Delightful" !! ...
>
> Ra=FCl.
>
> --
> The Playing Orchestra: = http://www.telefonica.net/we= b2/tpo
> Chain Tape Collective: http://www.ct-collective.com
> TPO at myspace: http://www.myspace.com/theplayingorche= stra
>




-- The Acoustic World Guitar of Jim Goodin  - http://www.jimgoodinmusic.com
MySpace (solo) - <= a href=3D"http://www.myspace.com/jimgoodinmusic">http://www.myspace.com/jim= goodinmusic
Chinapainting -
ht= tp://www.chinapaintingmusic.com
Chinapainting on My Space -
http://www.myspace.com= /chinapaintingmusic.com
The Jim Goodin label and home for 7 other creative souls - http://www.woodandwiremusic.com Jim Goodin uses GHS Strings - http:= //www.ghsstrings.com and Seagull Guitars - http:/= /www.seagullguitars.com, Jim Goodin is published by Mel Bay Publication= s, Inc. - http://www.melbay.com
Associates and friends on the web -
Daryl Shawn -
http://www.swanwelder.com
Adam Werner - http://www.adamwerner.com
John Stowel= l -=20 http://www.johnstowell.com
Ma= tt Richards - http://www.mattr= ichardsmusic.net
Michael Manring - http://www.manthing.com
Will Ackerman - http://www.williamackerman.com
New Land Music - http://www.newlandmusic.com=20 ------=_Part_31494_33465093.1179365236736-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 17 02:24:57 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E34EF3BF4E; Thu, 17 May 2007 02:24:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at cavesofice.org Date: Wed, 16 May 2007 22:24:52 -0400 (EDT) From: burnett@pobox.com X-X-Sender: badger@giggles.cavesofice.org To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Re: repeater news In-Reply-To: <4733E166-97B4-4AD2-AE8B-4C63FE9D1493@zoekeating.com> Message-ID: References: <913F6389-5922-4074-BB31-FABE61512E37@mac.com> <4733E166-97B4-4AD2-AE8B-4C63FE9D1493@zoekeating.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70266 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 17 May 2007 02:24:56 +0000 (UTC) On Wed, 16 May 2007, Zoe Keating wrote: > i got the email too. > > it irked me greatly that there was no hint of explanation or apology. just a > message to cough up $129... I'd like a list of, oh, new features. Or at least known bugs fixed in this release. I've got a perfectly good repeater I don't use here, and I'd like to know what I'm getting for $129. A cynical person might suspect the owners are taking the last unreleased build of the Repeater OS and selling it to get a quick influx of cash before cutting their losses and vanishing. best, Steve Burnett http://www.subscapeannex.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 17 07:37:06 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8AFAF3BF55; Thu, 17 May 2007 07:37:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <8AC6822C-DEBD-4C7C-B0FC-499E7BEDE8C4@mac.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Teddy Subject: Re: Boss RC50 looper Questions... MODs.. is this possible?? Date: Thu, 17 May 2007 00:35:42 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAA== X-Brightmail-scanned: yes Resent-Message-ID: <7Y9Z4.A.V5F.iYATGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70267 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 17 May 2007 07:37:06 +0000 (UTC) I think you should try that drilling mod and send us pix... sounds fun. as for me, I bought 2 of boss FS-something pedals, the ones with 2 pedals, and made a little stand for them in back of the rc-50... I even power the pedals with a powr supply so I don't ned any batteries. I can take pix and send them to you next week when I am back home that works great without drilling. as far as starting from the kit, you could use some sort of V-drum setup via midi. I do that with my drummer and it works. there is limited midi functionality in the thing though, unfortunately... but if all you need is start, stop and record... teddy On May 16, 2007, at 5:51 PM, phillip bob wrote: > I would like to have a cable running to the drumset so that I can > press record, play and start from over there.. The pedalbaord houses > my RC50 at the front of stage.. but I sample effects from the drum > location also.. and need to press RECORD from over there. > (similar to how you guys use the Echoplex rack units) > > how to do this? > > and also.. the Expression Pedal outputs 1 and 2.. for just momemtary > footswtiches to go up and down banks etc.. could I install right near > that location two SPDT momentary swtiches DRILLED INTO the metal case > of the pedal and just wire them up internally. sounds straight forward > if there is room inside. > > are those two mods possible with the RC50? > -phillip From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 17 08:42:07 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 76E733BEF9; Thu, 17 May 2007 08:42:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "nick@12testing.net" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, "simeon harris" Date: Thu, 17 May 2007 09:41:52 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: RE: Paris/London looping? Reply-To: nick@12testing.net Message-ID: <464C2360.20342.216197@nick.12testing.net> Priority: normal In-reply-to: X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.31) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body Resent-Message-ID: <1nre_B.A.ZP.fVBTGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70268 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 17 May 2007 08:42:07 +0000 (UTC) On 16 May 2007 at 19:09, simeon harris wrote: > i'm playing here on the 29th...not strictly looping, but i'll be doing > my darndest to sneak some in > http://improvizone.com/ It's a long return journey for a short jam, but I've uploaded a track to the site - wish we had a similar group in Sheffield.... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 17 10:34:11 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A79DA3BF39; Thu, 17 May 2007 10:34:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Thu, 17 May 2007 06:36:46 -0400 From: Bill Fox Subject: Listen to Afterglow and Galactic Travels To: undisclosed-recipients: ; Message-id: <464C303E.2060203@soundscapes.us> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.10 (Windows/20070221) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70269 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 17 May 2007 10:34:11 +0000 (UTC) AFTERGLOW ON WMUH: http://soundscapes.us/afterglow ======================================================================= Afterglow airs from 8:00 am to 9:30 am every Thursday morning. Tune in for a delightful mix of eclectic musical genres including a healthy dose of Progressive Rock. Tune in at 91.7 FM or on the internet at: http://muhlenberg.edu/wmuh I will play the music of bands playing on the 19th at the New Jersy Proghouse. GALACTIC TRAVELS ON WDIY: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt ======================================================================= Tonight at 11 pm on Galactic Travels, I'll continue the month-long Special Focus on Steve Roach who will be at the Gatherings on the 19th. The Featured CD at Midnight will be "Darkest Before Dawn" on Timeroom Editions Records. The Vinyl Starter will be from the LP "Departure from the Northern Wasteland" by Michael Hoenig on Celestial Harmonies Records and released in 1978. For details, see the Special Focus page at: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2007/focus.html#may Galactic Travels is an electronic, ambient, and space music show that airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg, 93.7 FM in Fogelsville and Trexlertown, on the internet, and in High Definition Radio at 88.1 FM. ======================================================================= All times are EDT / GMT-4. Listen on-line to WDIY at http://wdiy.org and click LISTEN or go directly to: http://rm1.refugemedia.com/ramgen/encoder/wdiy.rm Listen on-line to WMUH at http://www.muhlenberg.edu/wmuh and click the REAL AUDIO link or go directly to: rtsp://helix.muhlenberg.edu:554/broadcast/live.rm From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 17 12:06:24 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C9BB93BF39; Thu, 17 May 2007 12:06:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: Date: Thu, 17 May 2007 09:06:13 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: scan of the GP Y2k6 article on line Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 May 2007 12:06:02.0052 (UTC) FILETIME=[BCDFA040:01C7987B] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70270 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 17 May 2007 12:06:24 +0000 (UTC) Ted found a Guitar Player of June and scanned it on his professional tool for us! as promissed, I uploaded it at: http://matthias.grob.org/GP_june07_Y2K6.jpg this may not be quite legal, but since its for the comunity that created the news for this article, I hope GP forgives me. I will take it down in a week or so... Thank you, Barry, GP and Ted! -- ---> http://www.matthiasgrob.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 17 12:52:06 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 088673BF05; Thu, 17 May 2007 12:52:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=JqaZCpGyOAIvalEtc/WgINSiWSy9NRdCrlhGJcQg0kSKJGW/CLILPMNHOJmB4wdKZIoEtLsM6WPDDTa2qkMpA3i8TDqpqvKhqJIWpXn+5imAdT1pVLKZopqe8kZu9F4Z+5l8Qsi9HRf8tTmuRJmguEogVaDyAlIwlMPnXDxtlOI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=Df8Mkfgi9Wf9tZnadMLAW1VMCtPPxtFjGMpo4uXjdttm2zKMLXI5VMbIqK+C61bNXi0ViPrkdGa2n3CMIcwUYROU6QJwoOd/nP54SPtnjF/i0tl1wIWnfXxvW6AFfou4SyBsaTlu4618iWWKLJPexB7e4qcpqCGYKEdH+vqBYmU= Message-ID: Date: Thu, 17 May 2007 08:52:02 -0400 From: "phillip bob" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Boss RC50 looper Questions... MODs.. is this possible?? In-Reply-To: <8AC6822C-DEBD-4C7C-B0FC-499E7BEDE8C4@mac.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <8AC6822C-DEBD-4C7C-B0FC-499E7BEDE8C4@mac.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70271 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 17 May 2007 12:52:05 +0000 (UTC) havent anything that lets you engage record yet.. via midi or footswitch. have you guys? -p On 5/17/07, Teddy wrote: > I think you should try that drilling mod and send us pix... sounds fun. > > as for me, I bought 2 of boss FS-something pedals, the ones with 2 > pedals, and made a little stand for them in back of the rc-50... > I even power the pedals with a powr supply so I don't ned any batteries. > I can take pix and send them to you next week when I am back home > that works great without drilling. > > as far as starting from the kit, you could use some sort of V-drum > setup via midi. I do that with my drummer and it works. > there is limited midi functionality in the thing though, > unfortunately... but if all you need is start, stop and record... > > teddy > > > On May 16, 2007, at 5:51 PM, phillip bob wrote: > > > I would like to have a cable running to the drumset so that I can > > press record, play and start from over there.. The pedalbaord houses > > my RC50 at the front of stage.. but I sample effects from the drum > > location also.. and need to press RECORD from over there. > > (similar to how you guys use the Echoplex rack units) > > > > how to do this? > > > > and also.. the Expression Pedal outputs 1 and 2.. for just momemtary > > footswtiches to go up and down banks etc.. could I install right near > > that location two SPDT momentary swtiches DRILLED INTO the metal case > > of the pedal and just wire them up internally. sounds straight forward > > if there is room inside. > > > > are those two mods possible with the RC50? > > -phillip > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 17 14:40:27 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1C1D03BF3B; Thu, 17 May 2007 14:40:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1--757847043 Message-Id: <54cd0e2c1b4f45cbb7ea18db144c00ff@glasswing.com> From: Richard Sales Subject: Re: scan of the GP Y2k6 article on line Date: Thu, 17 May 2007 07:40:15 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70272 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 17 May 2007 14:40:27 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-1--757847043 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Thanks for doing that. Very cool! Congrats gang... and big congrats to Rick for all the hard labor. richard sales glassWing farm and studio vancouver island, b.c. 800.545.6846 250.752.4816 www.glassWing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com On 17-May-07, at 5:06 AM, Matthias Grob wrote: > Ted found a Guitar Player of June and scanned it on his professional > tool for us! > > as promissed, I uploaded it at: > http://matthias.grob.org/GP_june07_Y2K6.jpg > > this may not be quite legal, but since its for the comunity that > created the news for this article, I hope GP forgives me. I will take > it down in a week or so... > > Thank you, Barry, GP and Ted! > -- > > > ---> http://www.matthiasgrob.com > --Apple-Mail-1--757847043 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=US-ASCII Thanks for doing that. Very cool! Congrats gang... and big congrats to Rick for all the hard labor. Gadgetrichard sales 7373,7F7F,C5C5glassWing farm and studio vancouver island, b.c. 800.545.6846 250.752.4816C3C3,9696,1C1C www.glassWing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com On 17-May-07, at 5:06 AM, Matthias Grob wrote: Ted found a Guitar Player of June and scanned it on his professional tool for us! as promissed, I uploaded it at: http://matthias.grob.org/GP_june07_Y2K6.jpg this may not be quite legal, but since its for the comunity that created the news for this article, I hope GP forgives me. I will take it down in a week or so... Thank you, Barry, GP and Ted! -- ---> http://www.matthiasgrob.com --Apple-Mail-1--757847043-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 17 15:32:28 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BD6063BF40; Thu, 17 May 2007 15:32:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <200705171532.l4HFWOQb017975@mail.cruzio.com> Reply-To: From: "William Walker" To: Subject: GP arcticle Date: Thu, 17 May 2007 08:32:26 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0034_01C7985D.E63F0A20" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Thread-Index: AceYKV8rp+zJX3NtSs+uJdejIXsvxgAbyL6g X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.1 required=1.0 tests=AWL,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=disabled version=3.1.7 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.7 (2006-10-05) on mail.cruzio.com Resent-Message-ID: <6Io27.A.eVH.LWHTGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70273 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 17 May 2007 15:32:28 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0034_01C7985D.E63F0A20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I want to second Rick in thanking Barry Cleveland for such nice coverage of us at the Y2K6 fest. In particular I'd like to thank the coverage of my pattern bald spot with the word Riffs! :-) But seriously folks. Actually when I spoke to Barry, he said that he would still be in Poland by the time the issue broke. He is there attending and performing at the Thanks Jimi festival in Wroclaw Poland that is put on by Leszek Cichonski, who if you have never heard is one of the most amazing interpreters of Jimi's music, and creator of post Hendrix style music you will ever hear. A lot of guys can get the sound but few can get the feel like this guy. I would encourage any of you to send a shout out to Barry at the guitar player web site. Thanks Bill ------=_NextPart_000_0034_01C7985D.E63F0A20 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

 

I want to second Rick in thanking Barry Cleveland for = such nice coverage of us at the Y2K6 fest. In particular I’d like to = thank the coverage of my pattern bald spot with the word Riffs! = J  But seriously folks… Actually when I spoke to Barry, he said that he = would still be in Poland by the time the issue broke. He is there attending and performing at the = Thanks Jimi festival in Wroclaw Poland that is put on by Leszek Cichonski, =  who if you have never heard is one of the most amazing interpreters of = Jimi’s music, and creator of post  Hendrix style music you will ever hear. = A lot of guys can get the sound but few can get the feel like this guy. I = would encourage any of you to send a shout out to Barry at the guitar player = web site.

Thanks

 Bill

------=_NextPart_000_0034_01C7985D.E63F0A20-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 17 15:57:42 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D8E3E3BF47; Thu, 17 May 2007 15:57:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <200705171557.l4HFvdZV046009@mail.cruzio.com> Reply-To: From: "William Walker" To: Subject: repeater news Date: Thu, 17 May 2007 08:57:42 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0038_01C79861.6DCBF040" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Thread-Index: AceYnBnqwxBNOcFlSLWvj4Y/gyyW3g== X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.1 required=1.0 tests=AWL,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=disabled version=3.1.7 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.7 (2006-10-05) on mail.cruzio.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70274 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 17 May 2007 15:57:42 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0038_01C79861.6DCBF040 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kids! Kids! Aren't we taking this a bit too personally ????? It's a freaking company after all, not child protective services. One can't assume that the new owners have any clue about what the old owners of Electrix did, and the old owners were not intentionally raining on anyone's parade. Its called bankruptcy, or lack of proper capital. A little bird told me over two years ago that people he new at Electrix were still struggling to get a working version of MK2 software going, that they still hadn't worked out the bugs, and I assume they never did. I hope it happens, I really do, but I've moved on. I find the LP-1 so much more satisfying as a musical tool, even though I still dig the Repeater, and its own unique qualities and quirks that are great. I know its been a source of major disappointment for many of us, and hopefully this new thing will pan out. Look at it on the bright side. When they first threatened to release the MK2, They had no intention of making a software upgrade available to owners of older units. At least now they are addressing that issue. I would love a report on the upgrades if anyone does the software upgrade. Bill ------=_NextPart_000_0038_01C79861.6DCBF040 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Kids!  Kids! Aren’t we taking this a bit = too personally ????? It’s a freaking company after all, not child = protective services. One can’t assume that the new owners have any clue about = what the old owners of Electrix did, and the old owners were not = intentionally raining on anyone’s parade. Its called bankruptcy, or lack of proper = capital. A little bird told me over two years ago that people he new at Electrix = were still struggling to get a working version of MK2 software going, that = they still hadn’t worked out the bugs, and I assume they never did. I = hope it happens, I really do, but I’ve moved on. I find the LP-1 so much = more satisfying as a musical tool, even though I still dig the Repeater, and = its own unique qualities and quirks that are great. I know its been a source of = major disappointment for many of us, and hopefully this new thing will pan = out. Look at it on the bright side. When they first threatened to release the MK2, = They had no intention of making a software upgrade available to owners of older = units. At least now they are addressing that issue. I would love a report on = the upgrades if anyone does the software = upgrade.

Bill

------=_NextPart_000_0038_01C79861.6DCBF040-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 17 16:39:22 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 883F63BF43; Thu, 17 May 2007 16:39:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <0e7901c798a1$e98bfa50$2cb0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <200705171532.l4HFWOQb017975@mail.cruzio.com> Subject: Re: GP arcticle Date: Thu, 17 May 2007 10:39:16 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0E76_01C7986F.9DF6D6A0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70275 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 17 May 2007 16:39:22 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0E76_01C7986F.9DF6D6A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable It's a great thing. Barry, you are blind copied here. Thank you so much = for doing this. It is a great feather in all our caps, and a HUGE = tribute to Rick and Bill's Y2KX work. Kris ----- Original Message -----=20 =20 I want to second Rick in thanking Barry Cleveland for such nice = coverage of us at the Y2K6 fest. In particular I'd like to thank the = coverage of my pattern bald spot with the word Riffs! J But seriously = folks. Actually when I spoke to Barry, he said that he would still be in = Poland by the time the issue broke. He is there attending and performing = at the Thanks Jimi festival in Wroclaw Poland that is put on by Leszek = Cichonski, who if you have never heard is one of the most amazing = interpreters of Jimi's music, and creator of post Hendrix style music = you will ever hear. A lot of guys can get the sound but few can get the = feel like this guy. I would encourage any of you to send a shout out to = Barry at the guitar player web site. Thanks Bill ------=_NextPart_000_0E76_01C7986F.9DF6D6A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
It's a great thing.  Barry, you = are blind=20 copied here. Thank you so much for doing this. It is a great feather in = all our=20 caps, and a HUGE tribute to Rick and Bill's Y2KX work.
 
Kris
 
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I want to second Rick in = thanking=20 Barry Cleveland for such nice coverage of us at the Y2K6 fest. In = particular=20 I=92d like to thank the coverage of my pattern bald spot with the word = Riffs!=20 J  But=20 seriously folks=85 Actually when I spoke to Barry, he said that he = would still=20 be in Poland by the time the = issue broke.=20 He is there attending and performing at the Thanks Jimi festival in = Wroclaw=20 Poland that is put on by Leszek Cichonski,  who if you have never = heard=20 is one of the most amazing interpreters of Jimi=92s music, and creator = of post=20  Hendrix style music you will ever hear. A lot of guys can get = the sound=20 but few can get the feel like this guy. I would encourage any of you = to send a=20 shout out to Barry at the guitar player web = site.

Thanks

 Bill

<= /HTML> ------=_NextPart_000_0E76_01C7986F.9DF6D6A0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 17 16:50:27 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 582973BF43; Thu, 17 May 2007 16:50:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <200705171557.l4HFvdZV046009@mail.cruzio.com> References: <200705171557.l4HFvdZV046009@mail.cruzio.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-2--750051088 Message-Id: From: Mark Sottilaro Subject: Re: repeater news Date: Thu, 17 May 2007 09:50:11 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70276 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 17 May 2007 16:50:27 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-2--750051088 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; delsp=yes; format=flowed On May 17, 2007, at 8:57 AM, William Walker wrote: > Kids! Kids! Aren=92t we taking this a bit too personally ????? I don't think so. I work, as do many of us. Probably most of us. =20 Part of that work for me, involves giving time estimates to clients/=20 bosses for work. Recently, I had to pull a couple of weeks of 16-20 =20 hour days to make a project happen because we had a deadline. The =20 client didn't care what it took, it just wanted the product (in this =20 case an animation) on time, even though the reason we had such =20 limited time was their fault. If I missed the deadline, I'd have =20 been fired. Now, I know with a piece of manufactured goods, it's a different =20 story, but let's face it. I've said this before and I'll say it =20 again: Don't promise your customers something that's not even =20 remotely possible. Sure, the Looperlative was a bit late and shipped =20= with a few bugs... but it wasn't YEARS late, and it was mostly =20 useable and really good as shipped. He also worked his ass off to =20 fix the bugs in a timely fashion.... and he's just a guy with a full =20 time job. So I'm not mad that v2 of the software took so long. I'm mad that =20 promises were made and then broken... and not just a little broke, =20 smashed, pissed on, mixed with dog poop, formed into a little =20 sculpture of a baby fawn and shot with a shotgun. All they needed to =20= do was come on a forum and explain the delay, but instead they just =20 became silent. It doesn't take much capital to type on a web page. Mark= --Apple-Mail-2--750051088 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=WINDOWS-1252
On May 17, 2007, at = 8:57 AM, William Walker wrote:

Kids! =A0Kids! = Aren=92t we taking this a bit too personally = ?????=A0


= I don't think so.=A0 I work, as do many of us.=A0 Probably most of us.=A0 = Part of that work for me, involves giving time estimates to = clients/bosses for work.=A0 Recently, I had to pull a couple of weeks of = 16-20 hour days to make a project happen because we had a deadline.=A0 = The client didn't care what it took, it just wanted the product (in this = case an animation) on time, even though the reason we had such limited = time was their fault.=A0 If I missed the deadline, I'd have been = fired.

Now, I = know with a piece of manufactured goods, it's a different story, but = let's face it.=A0 I've said this before and I'll say it again: Don't = promise your customers something that's not even remotely possible.=A0 = Sure, the Looperlative was a bit late and shipped with a few bugs... but = it wasn't YEARS late, and it was mostly useable and really good as = shipped.=A0 He also worked his ass off to fix the bugs in a timely = fashion.... and he's just a guy with a full time job.

So I'm not mad that v2 of = the software took so long.=A0 I'm mad that promises were made and then = broken... and not just a little broke, smashed, pissed on, mixed with = dog poop, formed into a little sculpture of a baby fawn and shot with a = shotgun.=A0 All they needed to do was come on a forum and explain the = delay, but instead they just became silent.=A0 It doesn't take much = capital to type on a web page.

Mark
= --Apple-Mail-2--750051088-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 17 16:59:30 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A51EE3BF4D; Thu, 17 May 2007 16:59:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <00c201c798a4$e1f3ac90$19b2a8c0@netzrechner> Reply-To: "Tilmann Dehnhard" From: "Tilmann Dehnhard" To: References: <200705171557.l4HFvdZV046009@mail.cruzio.com> Subject: Re: repeater news Date: Thu, 17 May 2007 19:00:31 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00BF_01C798B5.A4525470" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX18lxR+ESlSNox1StRLYageGOaSvuM49Bcyi2/3 AnQMSqUXKYcxrmrcu6xFkPMNEaPzhcX63A/Zx0qcPFqxi5Bx4P tTOhARKaLeqLe83amBhfegoTPwYXqh4 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70277 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 17 May 2007 16:59:30 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00BF_01C798B5.A4525470 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable "If I missed the deadline, I'd have been fired." ...but that's what happened to them, too, kind of - they got fired...the = whole enterprise crashed... tilmann ------=_NextPart_000_00BF_01C798B5.A4525470 Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 "If I missed the deadline, I'd have been fired."
 
...but that's what happened to them, too, kind of - they got = fired...the=20 whole enterprise crashed...
 
tilmann
------=_NextPart_000_00BF_01C798B5.A4525470-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 17 16:59:58 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AD8603BF58; Thu, 17 May 2007 16:59:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: References: <200705171557.l4HFvdZV046009@mail.cruzio.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <1758E61E-3621-4CBF-8F1B-96797568B8D5@fuse.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: monk Subject: rptr software? Date: Thu, 17 May 2007 12:59:47 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) Resent-Message-ID: <304cTB.A.72F.OoITGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70278 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 17 May 2007 16:59:58 +0000 (UTC) has anyone seen what is actually in the new software? i don't seem to see any details on the website.. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 17 17:04:55 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3703A3BF56; Thu, 17 May 2007 17:04:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com In-Reply-To: <00c201c798a4$e1f3ac90$19b2a8c0@netzrechner> References: <200705171557.l4HFvdZV046009@mail.cruzio.com> <00c201c798a4$e1f3ac90$19b2a8c0@netzrechner> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-3--749182174 Message-Id: <9E670A70-B4EC-4783-A2BE-9DA03B863617@zerocrossing.net> From: Mark Sottilaro Subject: Re: repeater news Date: Thu, 17 May 2007 10:04:40 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70279 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 17 May 2007 17:04:55 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-3--749182174 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Right. But now they're coming back sniffing around for redemption. I'm just saying be careful. "You knew I was a snake when you took me in..." On May 17, 2007, at 10:00 AM, Tilmann Dehnhard wrote: > "If I missed the deadline, I'd have been fired." > > ...but that's what happened to them, too, kind of - they got > fired...the whole enterprise crashed... > > tilmann > --Apple-Mail-3--749182174 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Right.=A0 But now they're coming = back sniffing around for redemption.=A0 I'm just saying be careful.=A0 = "You knew I was a snake when you took me in..."


On May 17, = 2007, at 10:00 AM, Tilmann Dehnhard wrote:

=A0"If I = missed the deadline, I'd have been fired."
=A0
...but = that's what happened to them, too, kind of - they got fired...the whole = enterprise crashed...
=A0
tilmann


= --Apple-Mail-3--749182174-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 17 17:07:47 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4883B3BF53; Thu, 17 May 2007 17:07:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=5QqwsgvE+BpPdwUfnIoc/8iwOYXCxNES+U9RQi9fxFl4BNREpU72ooTyXSTBPUKCvbTm8gXLw1LbKzpstnPyTmTcL1gftKl0lm2UTJIbqigwQY0yzhi53OUC/kQKUUj3I3gwaeAl749xp9cGegmUMCZvnAPwaARy21G0xJkMdAU=; X-YMail-OSG: 9NAfvKQVM1kccgXEwR7XiJv8C1BM5LrZv6eDxfrod9bQk2HFITjQNF8_.pc7OmvST97nlezDkTdb7G4dosgMHjFTG2xXG66lVr2yK8x4acMupTSVWz1aqputEzRfOA-- Date: Thu, 17 May 2007 10:07:45 -0700 (PDT) From: Elmer Fuddski Subject: Re: repeater news To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-373427681-1179421665=:73857" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <375949.73857.qm@web38409.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70280 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 17 May 2007 17:07:47 +0000 (UTC) --0-373427681-1179421665=:73857 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Break out the violins (and crying towel)! Mark Sottilaro wrote: On May 17, 2007, at 8:57 AM, William Walker wrote: Kids! Kids! Aren’t we taking this a bit too personally ????? I don't think so. I work, as do many of us. Probably most of us. Part of that work for me, involves giving time estimates to clients/bosses for work. Recently, I had to pull a couple of weeks of 16-20 hour days to make a project happen because we had a deadline. The client didn't care what it took, it just wanted the product (in this case an animation) on time, even though the reason we had such limited time was their fault. If I missed the deadline, I'd have been fired. Now, I know with a piece of manufactured goods, it's a different story, but let's face it. I've said this before and I'll say it again: Don't promise your customers something that's not even remotely possible. Sure, the Looperlative was a bit late and shipped with a few bugs... but it wasn't YEARS late, and it was mostly useable and really good as shipped. He also worked his ass off to fix the bugs in a timely fashion.... and he's just a guy with a full time job. So I'm not mad that v2 of the software took so long. I'm mad that promises were made and then broken... and not just a little broke, smashed, pissed on, mixed with dog poop, formed into a little sculpture of a baby fawn and shot with a shotgun. All they needed to do was come on a forum and explain the delay, but instead they just became silent. It doesn't take much capital to type on a web page. Mark --------------------------------- Get the free Yahoo! toolbar and rest assured with the added security of spyware protection. --0-373427681-1179421665=:73857 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Break out the violins (and crying towel)!

Mark Sottilaro <sine@zerocrossing.net> wrote:
On May 17, 2007, at 8:57 AM, William Walker wrote:

Kids!  Kids! Aren’t we taking this a bit too personally ????? 

I don't think so.  I work, as do many of us.  Probably most of us.  Part of that work for me, involves giving time estimates to clients/bosses for work.  Recently, I had to pull a couple of weeks of 16-20 hour days to make a project happen because we had a deadline.  The client didn't care what it took, it just wanted the product (in this case an animation) on time, even though the reason we had such limited time was their fault.  If I missed the deadline, I'd have been fired.

Now, I know with a piece of manufactured goods, it's a different story, but let's face it.  I've said this before and I'll say it again: Don't promise your customers something that's not even remotely possible.  Sure, the Looperlative was a bit late and shipped with a few bugs... but it wasn't YEARS late, and it was mostly useable and really good as shipped.  He also worked his ass off to fix the bugs in a timely fashion.... and he's just a guy with a full time job.

So I'm not mad that v2 of the software took so long.  I'm mad that promises were made and then broken... and not just a little broke, smashed, pissed on, mixed with dog poop, formed into a little sculpture of a baby fawn and shot with a shotgun.  All they needed to do was come on a forum and explain the delay, but instead they just became silent.  It doesn't take much capital to type on a web page.

Mark

Get the free Yahoo! toolbar and rest assured with the added security of spyware protection. --0-373427681-1179421665=:73857-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 17 17:11:39 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9D7523BF62; Thu, 17 May 2007 17:11:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <200705171557.l4HFvdZV046009@mail.cruzio.com> Date: Thu, 17 May 2007 13:11:04 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Charles Zwicky Subject: Re: repeater news Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-ELNK-Trace: e070562f4b6af5994d2b10475b571120d2c34f67cde4ff8e482b25bf8915a426bd9aa8b00e01cd47350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 69.86.208.154 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70281 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 17 May 2007 17:11:39 +0000 (UTC) Electrix have told me that the software update comes on a (hitachi controller) 32M CF card. That's something! -- ... http://www.zmix.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 17 17:45:18 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AD3793BF57; Thu, 17 May 2007 17:45:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <200705162200.l4GM0sfB012935@minds-eye.org> References: <200705162200.l4GM0sfB012935@minds-eye.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Mark Landman Subject: New Repeater Software features Date: Thu, 17 May 2007 10:45:14 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70282 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 17 May 2007 17:45:18 +0000 (UTC) Looks like this info is just going up at Electrix, here's what they have so far- -------------- Independent track looping control (can act like a sampler as well). Initial Record direct into overdub. Loop length pre-programming. Completely overhauled MIDI implementation that will give you greater control over more features. Persistent settings on power down/power up. The unit now remembers your setup. Sticky settings (stereo link, pan, pitch, metronome) optionally imported to new loops on creation. Utilities menu for controlling system operation from the front panel, including MIDI channel. Issues fixed from System 1.10 Vastly improved MIDI clock quality. Positive indication of muted channels. --------------- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 17 18:22:53 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7253F3BF59; Thu, 17 May 2007 18:22:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-SBRS: None X-SenderGroup: RELAYLIST X-MailFlowPolicy: $RELAYED X-MID: 712583280 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C798B0.608D3870" Subject: RE: repeater news Date: Thu, 17 May 2007 19:22:50 +0100 Message-ID: <1BB076E4C332F9469148F41725F17A720347764C@MTVNE-EXCLUST02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: repeater news Thread-Index: AceYsGBlvNZv8sarT6OAWtwL8kkKbA== References: <200705171557.l4HFvdZV046009@mail.cruzio.com> From: "Goddard, Duncan" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 May 2007 18:22:50.0802 (UTC) FILETIME=[60BD1920:01C798B0] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70283 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 17 May 2007 18:22:53 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C798B0.608D3870 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable >> Kids! Kids! Aren't we taking this a bit too personally ????? << =20 no, dammit. =20 we PAID for this thing.=20 =20 it's like it's become the default corporate position to treat the early adopter like a beta tester, & to treat the rest of the customer base as some sort of necessary evil. what did you all pay for your repeaters? a significant chunk of the month's paycheck, maybe more. =20 last night when I got their email, I was tripping slightly on exhaustion, & to receive any correspondence at all after all this time seemed like my fairy godmother had just shown up to fix an otherwise bad day. but now in the cold light of another nasty day at the coal-face, I'm wondering why the guys (new owners? original electrix crew? whoever they are) didn't show up HERE just once in a while to=20 =20 1) ask us about bugs 2) get up a wishlist 3) let us know things were happening 4) maybe offer a group discount on this "upgrade" 5) at least tell us wtf the upgrade does 6) just lurk & research. =20 it's funny- while I was trying to settle down again last night, & knowing that I couldn't get anything useful off their website until they finish updating it, I read a few posts from mid-2001 on the subject of the repeater.=20 =20 I recommend this- there is some real perspicacity amongst the folks on this list, & some of the predictions for the future of the 'peater (remember, it hadn't even come out then) were bang on. =20 $129 seems a bit steep for (probably) a 128MB cfc card..... why can't it be a free download? is this so the new owners can claw back some of what they spent on whatever's left of electrix? do they think, because we use clever toys, that we're all made of money? =20 cock to it, I say, unless there's some actual real magic in this new version. =20 duncan. =20 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C798B0.608D3870 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 >> Kids!  Kids! = Aren’t we taking this=20 a bit too personally ????? <<
 
no,=20 dammit.
 
we PAID for = this=20 thing. 
 
it's like = it's become the=20 default corporate position to treat the early adopter like a beta = tester, &=20 to treat the rest of the customer base as some sort of necessary evil. = what did=20 you all pay for your repeaters? a significant chunk of the month's = paycheck,=20 maybe more.
 
last night = when I got=20 their email, I was tripping slightly on exhaustion, & to receive any = correspondence at all after all this time seemed like my fairy godmother = had=20 just shown up to fix an otherwise bad = day.
but now in = the cold light=20 of another nasty day at the coal-face, I'm wondering why the guys (new = owners?=20 original electrix crew? whoever they are) didn't show up HERE just once = in a=20 while to 
 
1) ask us = about=20 bugs
2) get up a=20 wishlist
3) let us = know things were=20 happening
4) maybe = offer a=20 group discount on this "upgrade"
5) at least = tell us wtf=20 the upgrade does
6) just lurk = &=20 research.
 
it's funny- = while I was=20 trying to settle down again last night, & knowing that I couldn't = get=20 anything useful off their website until they finish updating it, I read = a few=20 posts from mid-2001 on the subject of the repeater.=20
 
I recommend = this- there is=20 some real perspicacity amongst the folks on this list, & some of the = predictions for the future of the 'peater (remember, it hadn't even = come=20 out then) were bang on.
 
$129 seems a = bit steep for=20 (probably) a 128MB cfc card..... why can't it be a free download? is = this so the=20 new owners can claw back some of what they spent on whatever's left = of=20 electrix? do they think, because we use clever toys, that we're all made = of=20 money?
 
cock to it, = I say, unless=20 there's some actual real magic in this new=20 version.
 
duncan.   
------_=_NextPart_001_01C798B0.608D3870-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 17 18:32:44 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 083DB3BF59; Thu, 17 May 2007 18:32:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: <1BB076E4C332F9469148F41725F17A720347764C@MTVNE-EXCLUST02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> References: <200705171557.l4HFvdZV046009@mail.cruzio.com> <1BB076E4C332F9469148F41725F17A720347764C@MTVNE-EXCLUST02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <3701F2CA-5ED5-4C1D-BEFF-B8024EB84DBC@zoekeating.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Zoe Keating Subject: Re: repeater news Date: Thu, 17 May 2007 11:32:40 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70284 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 17 May 2007 18:32:43 +0000 (UTC) well, i bought the upgrade. i'll tell ya'll how it goes! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 17 18:38:42 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 36ED33BF6A; Thu, 17 May 2007 18:38:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=JQOI5Seg3W1Vbc0dCp5BS0jgcALAvsOo2zYmmGD+7UG3PUsk+2cNnwM7NzPO7/uYhWEyGghFSW40fkSaCRtl474kff8pkl7HGaqtWoomro8N3nqfrWCR38vF9bV8y/NqG9tuPlnXGTgUMiEhCUkK/DfrqfmHwqVj8QafhNoIV/g= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=rjzjQNvGT1S3eu/ny12Vhs3dECRdWYnP+I5CO1g9Joo/vWonBpkZ2NMZjixau0IABX7lNu9bO6Vp4qwU5X7oTg+Et+bbAG/mIfVXxhNVsfh98aDCqnMcQGxwYo1AN5gHk7b69RRiPErV6DP5fb2HmWxbPMeUsp1R0vBj8XtTH5I= Message-ID: <588ce11d0705171138w63c6f108wcdaa280efac7a1a1@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 17 May 2007 11:38:39 -0700 From: "Art Simon" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: repeater news In-Reply-To: <3701F2CA-5ED5-4C1D-BEFF-B8024EB84DBC@zoekeating.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <200705171557.l4HFvdZV046009@mail.cruzio.com> <1BB076E4C332F9469148F41725F17A720347764C@MTVNE-EXCLUST02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> <3701F2CA-5ED5-4C1D-BEFF-B8024EB84DBC@zoekeating.com> Resent-Message-ID: <2rtfn.A.0zE.xEKTGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70285 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 17 May 2007 18:38:42 +0000 (UTC) Since apparently they are working at the software and seem to be able to bring that to market (as opposed to the long promised v2 in hardware), I wonder if the Repeater folks could port/adapt the code to a VST plugin. Now that I'd buy! While I don't miss the hardware and CFC issues of the repeater I sold, I do miss some of it's functionality. -- Art Simon simart@null.net http://art.simon.tripod.com http://www.myspace.com/artsimon From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 17 18:42:07 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 505FB3BF6E; Thu, 17 May 2007 18:42:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <1758E61E-3621-4CBF-8F1B-96797568B8D5@fuse.net> References: <200705171557.l4HFvdZV046009@mail.cruzio.com> <1758E61E-3621-4CBF-8F1B-96797568B8D5@fuse.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Mark Sottilaro Subject: Re: rptr software? Date: Thu, 17 May 2007 11:41:51 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: <5OKGPD.A.gEF.-HKTGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70286 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 17 May 2007 18:42:07 +0000 (UTC) The email said, "after the 17th" so I guess that means tomorrow. On May 17, 2007, at 9:59 AM, monk wrote: > has anyone seen what is actually in the new software? i don't seem > to see any details on the website.. > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 17 18:50:25 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0907B3BF66; Thu, 17 May 2007 18:50:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: References: <913F6389-5922-4074-BB31-FABE61512E37@mac.com> <4733E166-97B4-4AD2-AE8B-4C63FE9D1493@zoekeating.com> <08F1BC97-74E2-4FEB-9E37-FC2264419871@zerocrossing.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Mark Sottilaro Subject: Re: repeater news Date: Thu, 17 May 2007 11:50:10 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: <_1YCYC.A.S4F.wPKTGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70287 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 17 May 2007 18:50:24 +0000 (UTC) On May 16, 2007, at 6:22 PM, Zoe Keating wrote: > yeah, i would dig mobius if it there were an intel mac version. > I know, I know. That would be GREAT. However, my move to XP hasn't been all bad. It is mostly stable and has a TON of stuff written for it that will never be available for the Mac OS. The worst things I can say about it is it's really ugly and it takes a lot of time to set it up for audio app use. Microsoft's "Paperclip" style of constantly bugging you about things is maddening, but once you turn it off it's pretty good... also, don't ever hook it up to the web. I've got it set up and I treat it as a piece of dedicated hardware and it works just fine. The plus for you is that you can just get a copy of XP and run it on your Intel based Mac anyway! I hear it works fine. Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 17 19:01:44 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9B2243BF52; Thu, 17 May 2007 19:01:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3701F2CA-5ED5-4C1D-BEFF-B8024EB84DBC@zoekeating.com> References: <200705171557.l4HFvdZV046009@mail.cruzio.com> <1BB076E4C332F9469148F41725F17A720347764C@MTVNE-EXCLUST02.mtvne.ad.viacom. com> <3701F2CA-5ED5-4C1D-BEFF-B8024EB84DBC@zoekeating.com> Date: Thu, 17 May 2007 15:00:54 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Charles Zwicky Subject: Re: repeater news Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-ELNK-Trace: e070562f4b6af5994d2b10475b571120d2c34f67cde4ff8e7d7577bb3ed2eae6f0dc0b2615eb44cc350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 69.86.208.154 Resent-Message-ID: <36i0NB.A.HvG.YaKTGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70288 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 17 May 2007 19:01:44 +0000 (UTC) >well, i bought the upgrade. i'll tell ya'll how it goes! The website says" "Please allow 4 WEEKS for delivery...." -- ... http://www.zmix.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 17 19:06:22 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 383A93BF5F; Thu, 17 May 2007 19:06:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <200705171557.l4HFvdZV046009@mail.cruzio.com> References: <200705171557.l4HFvdZV046009@mail.cruzio.com> Date: Thu, 17 May 2007 14:06:04 -0500 To: From: Mech Subject: Re: repeater news Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <3PdYYC.A.1IH.teKTGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70289 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 17 May 2007 19:06:22 +0000 (UTC) At 8:57 AM -0700 5/17/07, William Walker wrote: >I've moved on. I find the LP-1 so much more satisfying as a musical >tool, even though I still dig the Repeater, and its own unique >qualities and quirks that are great. Hey Bill! Just curious, since I know you used to make heavy use of the Repeater's pitch shifting functions: what are you using with the LP-1 to do pitch manipulation? Are you merely using an outboard pitch shifter, or have you come up with a different method to implement that capability? I've got my own solution (which I'll gladly share if you like), but I'm always looking for new tips and tricks. :) --m. -- _____ "I want to keep you alive so there is always the possibility of murder... later" From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 17 19:20:00 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 559C13BF69; Thu, 17 May 2007 19:20:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3701F2CA-5ED5-4C1D-BEFF-B8024EB84DBC@zoekeating.com> References: <200705171557.l4HFvdZV046009@mail.cruzio.com> <1BB076E4C332F9469148F41725F17A720347764C@MTVNE-EXCLUST02.mtvne.ad.viacom. com> <3701F2CA-5ED5-4C1D-BEFF-B8024EB84DBC@zoekeating.com> Date: Thu, 17 May 2007 14:19:53 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Mech Subject: Re: repeater news Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70290 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 17 May 2007 19:20:00 +0000 (UTC) At 11:32 AM -0700 5/17/07, Zoe Keating wrote: >well, i bought the upgrade. i'll tell ya'll how it goes! Zoe, If you don't mind, I'm kind of interested in whether the new upgrade is merely a re-packaging of the old beta 2 software. Since you've seen (or will be seeing) both, could you please be kind enough to let us know if that's all they've done, or if it looks to you as if they've implemented something beyond that. If a re-package is all they did, fine, I'd spend the money just to get the version 1.1 bugfixes you reported previously. It would merely be nice to know, however. FWIW, I'm getting ready to take a gamble and go purchase the upgrade as well. Thanks!!! --m. -- _____ "I want to keep you alive so there is always the possibility of murder... later" From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 17 19:37:55 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 91A493BF53; Thu, 17 May 2007 19:37:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: References: <200705171557.l4HFvdZV046009@mail.cruzio.com> <1BB076E4C332F9469148F41725F17A720347764C@MTVNE-EXCLUST02.mtvne.ad.viacom. com> <3701F2CA-5ED5-4C1D-BEFF-B8024EB84DBC@zoekeating.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Zoe Keating Subject: Re: repeater news Date: Thu, 17 May 2007 12:37:52 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70291 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 17 May 2007 19:37:55 +0000 (UTC) The feature list on their site looks the same as the beta list (along with one thing I really wanted, visual indentification of muted tracks, yay!). I know others clamoured for it, but I wasn't keen on direct overdub (i.e. record a loop, close a loop, RPTR goes directly into overdub), and I don't like that feature in the LP1 either, so I hope there will be a way to turn it off. On May 17, 2007, at 12:19 PM, Mech wrote: > At 11:32 AM -0700 5/17/07, Zoe Keating wrote: >> well, i bought the upgrade. i'll tell ya'll how it goes! > > Zoe, > > If you don't mind, I'm kind of interested in whether the new > upgrade is merely a re-packaging of the old beta 2 software. Since > you've seen (or will be seeing) both, could you please be kind > enough to let us know if that's all they've done, or if it looks to > you as if they've implemented something beyond that. > > If a re-package is all they did, fine, I'd spend the money just to > get the version 1.1 bugfixes you reported previously. It would > merely be nice to know, however. FWIW, I'm getting ready to take a > gamble and go purchase the upgrade as well. > > Thanks!!! > > --m. > -- > _____ > "I want to keep you alive so there is always the possibility of > murder... later" > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 17 19:51:17 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2A38A3BF23; Thu, 17 May 2007 19:51:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <588ce11d0705171138w63c6f108wcdaa280efac7a1a1@mail.gmail.com> References: <200705171557.l4HFvdZV046009@mail.cruzio.com> <1BB076E4C332F9469148F41725F17A720347764C@MTVNE-EXCLUST02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> <3701F2CA-5ED5-4C1D-BEFF-B8024EB84DBC@zoekeating.com> <588ce11d0705171138w63c6f108wcdaa280efac7a1a1@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <6C33B27B-0E90-47AE-ADB5-9CCB7A4B9A5E@zerocrossing.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Mark Sottilaro Subject: Re: repeater news Date: Thu, 17 May 2007 12:51:00 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70292 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 17 May 2007 19:51:17 +0000 (UTC) On May 17, 2007, at 11:38 AM, Art Simon wrote: > I wonder if the Repeater folks could port/adapt the code to > a VST plugin. > > Now that I'd buy! Agreed! I would buy an all software vst version of the Repeater in a heartbeat. Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 17 23:48:18 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 212593BEE2; Thu, 17 May 2007 23:48:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=ix.netcom.com; b=pVe2FycRyEW3z6Uub98GYpSJqatFho9fYz/VLvww55iWP3IObonV6DXHVTGg95Gk; h=Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:To:Subject:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Message-ID: <20602370.1179445696000.JavaMail.root@elwamui-rustique.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 17 May 2007 19:48:15 -0400 (EDT) From: synchro1 Reply-To: synchro1 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: repeater news Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: EarthLink Zoo Mail 1.0 X-ELNK-Trace: 7c4b038661a0657e74cfc7ce3b1ad11381c87f5e51960688e52b3ae831d80e2de88f656781d6feb3350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.224.48 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70293 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 17 May 2007 23:48:18 +0000 (UTC) FWIW - I purchased the OS upgrade this afternoon. I received an email within a half hour that said it would ship sometime within 3 business days. An hour later I received a 24-page PDF file of an addendum to the manual for the OS upgrade. I have not had a chance to read through it yet. This is neither an endoresement or criticism of the product/process; I just wanted to share my experience so far. Now I will have to find that strange power supply for the Repeater since I have not turned it on since getting an LP-1 from the first batch in 2006. I barely remember what the Repeater could/could not do before the upgrade it has been so long and I never played with the beta OS. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 18 01:09:10 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D25373BEE9; Fri, 18 May 2007 01:09:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <1978604C-602C-4C61-9B6C-4DF4800D1F65@DEVICECIRCLE.COM> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Richard Menger Subject: Electrix Repeater Date: Thu, 17 May 2007 21:09:06 -0400 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - seminole.vervehosting.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - DEVICECIRCLE.COM X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70294 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 18 May 2007 01:09:10 +0000 (UTC) Has anyone tried the new OS V.2.01 software upgrade for the Electrix Repeater? 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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 18 11:57:39 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 70CC53BF02; Fri, 18 May 2007 11:57:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <3C6635ED-5D7D-4D9E-AED8-4EC9F1CB5E3E@bernhardwagner.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; delsp=yes; format=flowed To: Loopers From: Bernhard Wagner LD Subject: Ronin / Lupus in Fabula / To Beatle Or Not To Beatle Date: Fri, 18 May 2007 13:57:29 +0200 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70295 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 18 May 2007 11:57:39 +0000 (UTC) Monday I attended a concert by Ronin, whose Zen Funk concept and =20 music is well worth checking out: http://www.nikbaertsch.com/, last =20 year they released a CD "Stoa" on ECM. They work a lot with =20 polyrhythmic repetition, however without the use of loop machines. At the concert I bumped into R=E4tus Flisch, the bass player who =20 concluded the Zurich Loopfest 2005 with the band "Flisch - R=F6ver - =20 Pfammatter". He handed me a flyer "Lupus in Fabula", which is what the original =20 line up has evolved into. It's still R=E4tus Flisch (flischnews.ch), =20 Christian R=F6ver (christianrover.com), but a new italian drummer/=20 percussionist Enzo Zirilli (enzozirilli.com). So yesterday was their last gig of this tour in Winterthur, Esse =20 Musicbar and I had the pleasure to see them live. It was a terrific concert. The first set was very powerful and upbeat =20= while the second was more mellow. The style of their music is mostly =20 jazz. Both R=E4tus and Christian are professors at jazz institutions. Christian used a headless Steinberger with transtrem and a "Voodoo" =20 guitar. I couldn't find information about it, but Christian presented =20= the instrument to the audience and said it's produced in Turin. Its =20 head looks like that of a classical acoustic guitar. The lower =20 strings go well into the domain of the bass guitar. Also the higher =20 part of the fretboard is fretless, so you can have a bit of that as =20 well. The instrument easily picks up any contacts with its body which =20= Christian applied beautifully in one piece as he played the =20 percussion on the guitar's body. Also he played around with the strap =20= attachment which generated some eery squeaks that he accumulated in a =20= loop. Christian used two Boomerangs. He told me afterwards that he also =20 plays duo gigs with Enzo where he even uses three Boomerangs. He is =20 very fond of the operation concept and the touch and response of the =20 Boomerang buttons. I asked him about how he does the synchronization =20 of his Boomerangs and he just pointed to his feet with a smile. He =20 said, if after two minutes he starts hearing a phase shift between =20 the loops, he was good... (the shorter the loop the harder this is to =20= achieve of course) Enzo is a terrific drummer and percussionist. He synchronizes his =20 time to the loops with apparent effortlessness. R=E4tus plays a double bass and uses an Oberheim EDP with the original =20= foot controller. I particularly enjoyed his use of the instrument as =20 a source of unexpected and surprising sounds. Their new CD "Lupus in Fabula" appeared on hmtz records (http://=20 hmtzrecords.hmt.edu/) Christian also released a self-made CD "Version 0.72 live - To Beatle =20= Or Not To Beatle" February this year. You can hear the Voodoo guitar, occasional ring modulation and a lot =20 of loopage going on in a masterful jazzy, and often a tongue-in-cheek =20= sense of humour. All pieces are morphs between different covers of =20 famous pieces (e.g. "Love Me Tender" + "You've Got To Hide Your Love =20 Away" =3D "Love My Tender Hide"). Check it out (christianrover.com) Bernhard= From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 18 16:08:02 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F2FFA3BF01; Fri, 18 May 2007 16:08:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <200705181607.l4IG7Umq072100@mail.cruzio.com> Reply-To: From: "William Walker" To: Subject: Re: repeater news Date: Fri, 18 May 2007 09:06:55 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_001F_01C7992C.00D3CDC0" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Thread-Index: AceZZl3nmSYEGkQrQ0iQ5YjPvvog5w== Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70296 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 18 May 2007 16:08:01 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001F_01C7992C.00D3CDC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mech wrote "Hey Bill! Just curious, since I know you used to make heavy use of the Repeater's pitch shifting functions: what are you using with the LP-1 to do pitch manipulation? Are you merely using an outboard pitch shifter, or have you come up with a different method to implement that capability? I've got my own solution (which I'll gladly share if you like), but I'm always looking for new tips and tricks. :) --m. -- Well I can't do some of the mellotron type tricks that the repeater does when you create a sample and then use a midi controlled (in my case an old Roland Gr30) arpeggiator to make the samples change pitch and follow the arpeggiator. Or I would program a few banks on the FCB1010 to change pitch of given tracks. I haven't been using it as I was finding some of those tricks were tending to make much of my improvs sound the same, and I wanted a paradigm shift in my approach Though I haven't completely retired the RPTR, I have been digging in to the LP-1 so much and trying to master it, that I just haven't had time to use the RPTR. I am intrigued however with the new upgrades and would consider getting mine pimped out. For now if I want pitch shift, I use the LP-1' half speed record ability to create bass parts or high octave parts depending on which record speed I'm using. One of my favorite LP-1 tricks is to create a short one note drone in normal speed and then hit a preset that drops it an octave and puts it in reverse. I find I can get really cool bass parts with reverse envelopes this way. And after the fact I can use the replace function simple to erase portions of the drone to create a syncopated bass riff. Thanks for asking Bill ------=_NextPart_000_001F_01C7992C.00D3CDC0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Mech wrote

“Hey Bill!

 

Just curious, since = I know you used to make heavy use of the Repeater's pitch shifting functions: = what are you using with the LP-1 to do pitch manipulation?  Are you merely = using an outboard pitch shifter, or have you come up with a different method to = implement that capability?

 

I've got my own = solution (which I'll gladly share if you like), but I'm always looking for new = tips and tricks.  :)

 

      --m.

--

Well I can’t do some of the mellotron type = tricks that the repeater does when you create a sample and then use a midi = controlled (in my case an old Roland Gr30) arpeggiator to make the samples change pitch = and follow the arpeggiator. Or  I would program a few banks on the = FCB1010 to change pitch of given tracks.  I haven’t been using it as I = was finding some of those tricks were tending to make much of my improvs = sound the same, and I wanted a paradigm shift in my approach  Though I = haven’t completely retired the RPTR, I have  been digging in to the LP-1 so = much and trying to master it, that I just haven’t had time to use the = RPTR. I am intrigued however with the new upgrades and would consider getting = mine pimped out. For now if I want pitch shift, I use the LP-1’ half = speed record ability to create bass parts or high octave parts depending on  = which record speed I’m using. One of my favorite LP-1 tricks is to = create a short one note drone in normal speed and then hit a preset that drops it = an octave and puts it in reverse. I find I can get really cool bass parts = with reverse envelopes this way. And after the fact I can use the replace = function simple to erase portions of the drone to create a syncopated bass = riff.

Thanks for asking

Bill

------=_NextPart_000_001F_01C7992C.00D3CDC0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 18 16:15:27 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6F64E3BEFB; Fri, 18 May 2007 16:15:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-SBRS: None X-SenderGroup: RELAYLIST X-MailFlowPolicy: $RELAYED X-MID: 522995822 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: Electrix Repeater Date: Fri, 18 May 2007 17:15:24 +0100 Message-ID: <1BB076E4C332F9469148F41725F17A72035A2786@MTVNE-EXCLUST02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Electrix Repeater Thread-Index: AceZZ71vBQXoDx7FSd6kx1a0f0nH+Q== References: <1978604C-602C-4C61-9B6C-4DF4800D1F65@DEVICECIRCLE.COM> From: "Goddard, Duncan" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 May 2007 16:15:24.0945 (UTC) FILETIME=[BDDDA810:01C79967] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70297 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 18 May 2007 16:15:27 +0000 (UTC) wake up at the back, there!=20 -----Original Message----- From: Richard Menger [mailto:MENGER@DEVICECIRCLE.COM]=20 Sent: Friday, May 18, 2007 2:09 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Electrix Repeater=20 Has anyone tried the new OS V.2.01 software upgrade for the Electrix Repeater? There a link to buy it on their website: http://www.electrixpro.com/ Just want to get some feedback before I take the plunge and buy it... -rich From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 18 16:30:33 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AE9853BEFE; Fri, 18 May 2007 16:30:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Authenticated: #1228034 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX19DASNFPWlDWcgscdKK72ZxhHclYeTsi4Qusgvidf dVmdc4R8ej+S9I Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <3C6635ED-5D7D-4D9E-AED8-4EC9F1CB5E3E@bernhardwagner.net> References: <3C6635ED-5D7D-4D9E-AED8-4EC9F1CB5E3E@bernhardwagner.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Message-Id: <150217ae2a6d25f79707365351dbbd3d@gmx.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: nico spahni Subject: Re: Ronin / Lupus in Fabula / To Beatle Or Not To Beatle Date: Fri, 18 May 2007 18:30:42 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70298 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 18 May 2007 16:30:33 +0000 (UTC) Hi Bernhard Wish I hadn't missed Lupus in Fabula. I only live a stone's throw=20 away... Saw Ronin two weeks ago, though, and was deeply impressed.=20 Should anyone make it to Zurich, they play at www.bazillusclub.ch every=20= Monday evening. Cheers Nico Am 18.05.2007 um 13:57 schrieb Bernhard Wagner LD: > Monday I attended a concert by Ronin, whose Zen Funk concept and music=20= > is well worth checking out: http://www.nikbaertsch.com/, last year=20 > they released a CD "Stoa" on ECM. They work a lot with polyrhythmic=20 > repetition, however without the use of loop machines. > > At the concert I bumped into R=E4tus Flisch, the bass player who=20 > concluded the Zurich Loopfest 2005 with the band "Flisch - R=F6ver -=20= > Pfammatter". > > He handed me a flyer "Lupus in Fabula", which is what the original=20 > line up has evolved into. It's still R=E4tus Flisch (flischnews.ch),=20= > Christian R=F6ver (christianrover.com), but a new italian=20 > drummer/percussionist Enzo Zirilli (enzozirilli.com). > > So yesterday was their last gig of this tour in Winterthur, Esse=20 > Musicbar and I had the pleasure to see them live. > > It was a terrific concert. The first set was very powerful and upbeat=20= > while the second was more mellow. The style of their music is mostly=20= > jazz. Both R=E4tus and Christian are professors at jazz institutions. > Christian used a headless Steinberger with transtrem and a "Voodoo"=20 > guitar. I couldn't find information about it, but Christian presented=20= > the instrument to the audience and said it's produced in Turin. Its=20 > head looks like that of a classical acoustic guitar. The lower strings=20= > go well into the domain of the bass guitar. Also the higher part of=20 > the fretboard is fretless, so you can have a bit of that as well. The=20= > instrument easily picks up any contacts with its body which Christian=20= > applied beautifully in one piece as he played the percussion on the=20 > guitar's body. Also he played around with the strap attachment which=20= > generated some eery squeaks that he accumulated in a loop. > Christian used two Boomerangs. He told me afterwards that he also=20 > plays duo gigs with Enzo where he even uses three Boomerangs. He is=20 > very fond of the operation concept and the touch and response of the=20= > Boomerang buttons. I asked him about how he does the synchronization=20= > of his Boomerangs and he just pointed to his feet with a smile. He=20 > said, if after two minutes he starts hearing a phase shift between the=20= > loops, he was good... (the shorter the loop the harder this is to=20 > achieve of course) > > Enzo is a terrific drummer and percussionist. He synchronizes his time=20= > to the loops with apparent effortlessness. > > R=E4tus plays a double bass and uses an Oberheim EDP with the original=20= > foot controller. I particularly enjoyed his use of the instrument as a=20= > source of unexpected and surprising sounds. > > Their new CD "Lupus in Fabula" appeared on hmtz records=20 > (http://hmtzrecords.hmt.edu/) > > Christian also released a self-made CD "Version 0.72 live - To Beatle=20= > Or Not To Beatle" February this year. > You can hear the Voodoo guitar, occasional ring modulation and a lot=20= > of loopage going on in a masterful jazzy, and often a tongue-in-cheek=20= > sense of humour. All pieces are morphs between different covers of=20 > famous pieces (e.g. "Love Me Tender" + "You've Got To Hide Your Love=20= > Away" =3D "Love My Tender Hide"). > Check it out (christianrover.com) > > Bernhard From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 18 16:40:15 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D0FDC3BF02; Fri, 18 May 2007 16:40:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Craig McCollough Subject: OT: Flow and Electronic Musical Instrument Design Date: Fri, 18 May 2007 09:40:11 -0700 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-PopBeforeSMTPSenders: craig@craigmccollough.com X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - host.server20070.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - craigmccollough.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70299 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 18 May 2007 16:40:15 +0000 (UTC) Hey All - I found this great article which bridges some things that I've been working on personally and at work (flow concepts) with electronic musical instrument design. 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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 18 17:54:51 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 27F023BF04; Fri, 18 May 2007 17:54:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=XTECay33Wj/Ay1zYtiy4jo8So18T2AbWQqjCJTDjmLrAR2GL+10DsjLuk+PIoxMoBkB5/QiVqmtjQS6MaVde4g/uA27EkesaBi1vuQqxOU/Q5Mr3O5uVQbRpPhf1g4OVgA1csvlvAR0mhvLsrtN7hcGgXDOrPPYiRdGlImcceEU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=KH55ZfiE+TsuTNtAwojq49dxgWTv+SI9CQ8HtcRBsexM+F4MJP6YolyKqKPm92Ejuf34P9e5Gvgf9GhJAH8arkPxTel/S9Zu8ULckJ+l5ZtF21dV+NzTSVQzWAk/Py6oeCwUxkpSl5RgKIoBJ1gTMWejp1N/SLnunzciUdKdHfI= Message-ID: Date: Fri, 18 May 2007 10:54:49 -0700 From: "Doug Wellington" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: repeater news In-Reply-To: <200705181607.l4IG7Umq072100@mail.cruzio.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <200705181607.l4IG7Umq072100@mail.cruzio.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70301 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 18 May 2007 17:54:51 +0000 (UTC) I just got off the phone with Adam Scolaro - seemed to be a reasonable guy. I asked him about their plans to participate in Loopers Delight, and he said that they hoped to do that in the future. In the meantime, it would be just talk, and it would be better for them to work on actually delivering a product... They have some OS upgrades in stock right now, with another batch due to arrive in a week. (I didn't ask about free downloads...) It also looks like there is a press release and a manual update at http://www.electrixpro.com now... Doug http://www.analognotes.com http://www.stoogepanels.com http://www.softsampling.com http://www.dougwellington.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 18 18:14:01 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1633D3BF02; Fri, 18 May 2007 18:14:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=iE1rs82a70ME5QvqDo+PNLxT/tzob3tYSOgfzwuLz0TrX9doEyxCQ/HiMwRd41enQbo/C89MdTVywVRXBSdfZk9yYIdLcc9vnhHKEenfbJgBIt9k0DWN3hUAt04NqpIAK97lZCywD1+yeA02TTlSg1Q9Ll4AwNT7gX4SxLhQlX4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=gGXr9njpxAAw22GucPnqSQBPE7hbMvsY6ngofAeE3RsTK1VX/YSFp3lLtipP3KQB4vcVFzNwROpoTuutwdGkuS1xjY14Ui74H4D90IFQTP3RjoQOdj5MUAgB0KAhoUItGln2jKmUSrNK97WHb4y3a9Sj6jFF7o6/tJdVZSRg9FA= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <200705181019812.SM08160@quahome> References: <200705181019812.SM08160@quahome> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <0D125D94-EBDB-4414-8733-D87A1D556653@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Flow and Electronic Musical Instrument Design Date: Fri, 18 May 2007 20:13:55 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70302 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 18 May 2007 18:14:01 +0000 (UTC) On 18 maj 2007, at 19.14, Qua Veda wrote: > I found this great article which bridges some things that I've been > working > on personally and at work (flow concepts) with electronic musical > instrument > design. I think many of you will appreciate and enjoy it as well. > > http://digitalmedia.oreilly.com/2004/12/29/flow_1204.html Yes, very interesting article! Had me start thinking about how I constantly work on my imaginable "mind maps" for creative improvisation. In any given musical situation I want to be able to keep an immediate knowledge of at least three alternative strategies to go forwards. It may typically be combining ideas on different, complementary sounds or ideas on transition between different emotions in music and how to make that happen when working with tools like sound, melody, timing, harmony, style... The flow factor is why I like live looping so much compared to composing or producing recorded music. A funny detail, regarding this mental work, is that in praxis it cooks down to the simple question "which parameters can I take away to reduce my options?" But when I talk to fellow musicians I'm finding that quite a lot of people think about it in the opposite way, as "how can I get more options available?" ;-) Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://www.myspace.com/looproom http://www.jamendo.com/en/artist/per.boysen/ http://www.jamendo.com/en/artist/lo.fi.lazer/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 18 19:45:05 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 617073BEF3; Fri, 18 May 2007 19:45:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Cloudmark-Score: 0.000000 [] Message-ID: <001e01c79985$054b0090$4001a8c0@mini> From: "CV" To: References: <3C6635ED-5D7D-4D9E-AED8-4EC9F1CB5E3E@bernhardwagner.net> <150217ae2a6d25f79707365351dbbd3d@gmx.net> Subject: Re: Ronin / Lupus in Fabula / To Beatle Or Not To Beatle Date: Fri, 18 May 2007 21:44:44 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70303 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 18 May 2007 19:45:05 +0000 (UTC) Ronin I bought the CD but was not impressed quiet boring and cold too much control may be live ? Claude Hi Bernhard Wish I hadn't missed Lupus in Fabula. I only live a stone's throw away... Saw Ronin two weeks ago, though, and was deeply impressed. Should anyone make it to Zurich, they play at www.bazillusclub.ch every Monday evening. Cheers Nico Am 18.05.2007 um 13:57 schrieb Bernhard Wagner LD: > Monday I attended a concert by Ronin, whose Zen Funk concept and music is > well worth checking out: http://www.nikbaertsch.com/, last year they > released a CD "Stoa" on ECM. They work a lot with polyrhythmic repetition, > however without the use of loop machines. > > At the concert I bumped into Rätus Flisch, the bass player who concluded > the Zurich Loopfest 2005 with the band "Flisch - Röver - Pfammatter". > > He handed me a flyer "Lupus in Fabula", which is what the original line up > has evolved into. It's still Rätus Flisch (flischnews.ch), Christian Röver > (christianrover.com), but a new italian drummer/percussionist Enzo Zirilli > (enzozirilli.com). > > So yesterday was their last gig of this tour in Winterthur, Esse Musicbar > and I had the pleasure to see them live. > > It was a terrific concert. The first set was very powerful and upbeat > while the second was more mellow. The style of their music is mostly jazz. > Both Rätus and Christian are professors at jazz institutions. > Christian used a headless Steinberger with transtrem and a "Voodoo" > guitar. I couldn't find information about it, but Christian presented the > instrument to the audience and said it's produced in Turin. Its head looks > like that of a classical acoustic guitar. The lower strings go well into > the domain of the bass guitar. Also the higher part of the fretboard is > fretless, so you can have a bit of that as well. The instrument easily > picks up any contacts with its body which Christian applied beautifully in > one piece as he played the percussion on the guitar's body. Also he played > around with the strap attachment which generated some eery squeaks that he > accumulated in a loop. > Christian used two Boomerangs. He told me afterwards that he also plays > duo gigs with Enzo where he even uses three Boomerangs. He is very fond of > the operation concept and the touch and response of the Boomerang buttons. > I asked him about how he does the synchronization of his Boomerangs and he > just pointed to his feet with a smile. He said, if after two minutes he > starts hearing a phase shift between the loops, he was good... (the > shorter the loop the harder this is to achieve of course) > > Enzo is a terrific drummer and percussionist. He synchronizes his time to > the loops with apparent effortlessness. > > Rätus plays a double bass and uses an Oberheim EDP with the original foot > controller. I particularly enjoyed his use of the instrument as a source > of unexpected and surprising sounds. > > Their new CD "Lupus in Fabula" appeared on hmtz records > (http://hmtzrecords.hmt.edu/) > > Christian also released a self-made CD "Version 0.72 live - To Beatle Or > Not To Beatle" February this year. > You can hear the Voodoo guitar, occasional ring modulation and a lot of > loopage going on in a masterful jazzy, and often a tongue-in-cheek sense > of humour. All pieces are morphs between different covers of famous pieces > (e.g. "Love Me Tender" + "You've Got To Hide Your Love Away" = "Love My > Tender Hide"). > Check it out (christianrover.com) > > Bernhard From leeboyd002@yahoo.es Fri May 18 21:02:20 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 19791 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Fri, 18 May 2007 21:02:19 UTC Received: from web23408.mail.ird.yahoo.com (web23408.mail.ird.yahoo.com [217.146.189.93]) by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix) with SMTP id D46DD3BEF1 for ; Fri, 18 May 2007 21:02:17 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 42032 invoked by uid 60001); 18 May 2007 06:50:39 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=ymail_nen1; d=yahoo.es; h=Received:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=NfCxBT1OM+6Kw7vrLqOm4vQrIclb02bD2ry+r9S1CeckSbVVzhYI0NibPki2yG2svjdxFcGtQmIQPbg9fD+08rdBF7hTYASMlUaLtIzzmfsLqt1CcOYhRcPDSlApTqR5D4vVd9FDzG+m8wsj7iWS3LF80m5310isTCPI1hqI5uk=; Received: from [62.193.164.94] by web23408.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 18 May 2007 06:50:39 GMT Date: Fri, 18 May 2007 06:50:39 +0000 (GMT) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?lee=20boyd?= Reply-To: leeboyd@walla.com Subject: CAN YOU WORK WITH US? 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--0-1417608127-1179471039=:35815-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 18 21:03:40 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8E3063BF04; Fri, 18 May 2007 21:03:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com References: <3C6635ED-5D7D-4D9E-AED8-4EC9F1CB5E3E@bernhardwagner.net> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Ronin / Lupus in Fabula / To Beatle Or Not To Beatle Date: Fri, 18 May 2007 17:03:34 -0400 In-Reply-To: <3C6635ED-5D7D-4D9E-AED8-4EC9F1CB5E3E@bernhardwagner.net> X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 From: nemoguitt@aol.com X-MB-Message-Type: User Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Mailer: AOL WebMail 25698 Message-Id: <8C967A7218DA2DE-994-4F65@webmail-me09.sysops.aol.com> X-AOL-IP: 64.12.88.201 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70304 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 18 May 2007 21:03:40 +0000 (UTC) B-man.....i remember his set in zurich and i looked at his set-up, he indeed used 3 rangs, "once, twice, three times a ranger!".....i came away from his set wondering how much he used them, i seem to remember them being pretty jazzy and not real loopy.....it could have been the 14 "free" drink cupons that i stole from you though, (A JOKE!!!!!).....michael http://www.myspace.com/klobuchar10 http://mysite.verizon.net/vzepmeci/ www.ct-collective.com ________________________________________________________________________ AOL now offers free email to everyone. 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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 18 21:03:41 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 88FA23BF0B; Fri, 18 May 2007 21:03:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Qua Veda" To: Subject: RE: Flow and Electronic Musical Instrument Design Date: Fri, 18 May 2007 14:02:51 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Thread-Index: AceZeQNfRDcVFKzwQguSMTW6YKcWNwAFYNqA In-Reply-To: <0D125D94-EBDB-4414-8733-D87A1D556653@gmail.com> Message-Id: <200705181408515.SM08308@quahome> X-RBL-Warning: REVDNS: This E-mail was sent from a MUA/MTA 206.212.233.27 with no reverse DNS entry. X-Declude-Sender: qua@oregon.com [206.212.233.27] X-Declude-Spoolname: D159a04a30000acb4.smd X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude JunkMail (www.declude.com) for spam. Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70305 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 18 May 2007 21:03:41 +0000 (UTC) I sit at a computer form most of my waking hours - at work and home. Now , as I being my exploration into s/w tools for music, it will be even more hours, especially during my learning curves. Many musicians feel it is important to move their body (and remember to breathe), to facilitate the Flow. Wearable computing isn't quite there yet, but won't be long - wireless heads-up display and datagloves for interacting with the s/w control surfaces - hmmm.. What do you think - does sitting in a relatively fixed position, at a computer, or set of control surfaces help or hinder Flow ? -Qua -----Original Message----- From: Per Boysen [mailto:perboysen@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, May 18, 2007 11:14 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Flow and Electronic Musical Instrument Design On 18 maj 2007, at 19.14, Qua Veda wrote: > I found this great article which bridges some things that I've been > working on personally and at work (flow concepts) with electronic > musical instrument design. I think many of you will appreciate and > enjoy it as well. > > http://digitalmedia.oreilly.com/2004/12/29/flow_1204.html Yes, very interesting article! Had me start thinking about how I constantly work on my imaginable "mind maps" for creative improvisation. In any given musical situation I want to be able to keep an immediate knowledge of at least three alternative strategies to go forwards. It may typically be combining ideas on different, complementary sounds or ideas on transition between different emotions in music and how to make that happen when working with tools like sound, melody, timing, harmony, style... The flow factor is why I like live looping so much compared to composing or producing recorded music. A funny detail, regarding this mental work, is that in praxis it cooks down to the simple question "which parameters can I take away to reduce my options?" But when I talk to fellow musicians I'm finding that quite a lot of people think about it in the opposite way, as "how can I get more options available?" ;-) Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://www.myspace.com/looproom http://www.jamendo.com/en/artist/per.boysen/ http://www.jamendo.com/en/artist/lo.fi.lazer/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 18 21:37:14 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1BAB23BF02; Fri, 18 May 2007 21:37:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-SBRS: 4.7 X-RemoteIP: 212.74.114.12 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AgAAAM64TUbUSnIMk2dsb2JhbACQEQEBAQEHBggHBR+gLQ Message-ID: <464E1C9B.6010308@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Fri, 18 May 2007 22:37:31 +0100 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Ronin / Lupus in Fabula / To Beatle Or Not To Beatle References: <3C6635ED-5D7D-4D9E-AED8-4EC9F1CB5E3E@bernhardwagner.net> <8C967A7218DA2DE-994-4F65@webmail-me09.sysops.aol.com> In-Reply-To: <8C967A7218DA2DE-994-4F65@webmail-me09.sysops.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Antivirus-Scanner: Scanned with ClamAV Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70306 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 18 May 2007 21:37:14 +0000 (UTC) nemoguitt@aol.com wrote: > B-man.....i remember his set in zurich and i looked at his set-up, he > indeed used 3 rangs, "once, twice, three times a ranger!".....i came > away from his set wondering how much he used them, i seem to remember > them being pretty jazzy and not real loopy.....it could have been the 14 > "free" drink cupons that i stole from you though, (A JOKE!!!!!).....michael > yep, the only looping technique I remember from that set was to use a long delay as if it were an echo effect. It was a while ago though. Wasn't he the guy with the lost shoes? andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 18 21:48:19 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 480363BF02; Fri, 18 May 2007 21:48:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com References: <200705181019812.SM08160@quahome> <0D125D94-EBDB-4414-8733-D87A1D556653@gmail.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: Flow and Electronic Musical Instrument Design Date: Fri, 18 May 2007 17:48:13 -0400 In-Reply-To: <0D125D94-EBDB-4414-8733-D87A1D556653@gmail.com> X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 From: nemoguitt@aol.com X-MB-Message-Type: User Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"; format=flowed X-Mailer: AOL WebMail 25698 Message-Id: <8C967AD5E883511-994-5109@webmail-me09.sysops.aol.com> X-AOL-IP: 64.12.88.201 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70307 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 18 May 2007 21:48:19 +0000 (UTC) boy i sure hope we hear some ideas around per's observation.....if i=20 were "invited" to play with the jazzers again. FAT CHANCE.....i would=20 just take guitar/rang/sans amp/champ.....i did get some feedback that=20 the sax player thought my AIR-FX was nothing more than a gimmic=20 (SP).....i wonder what he thought about my bitrman/ineko=20 freakout.....:).....who am i playin with, what do i want to schlepp,=20 will there be at least an "audient" tm, do i want to loop or not, these=20 are few of many questions as to whether i want to per down or supersize=20 up my kit.....but what the duck do i know?.....:).....2-nite is 2 weeks=20 since that gig and i haven't even taken the instuments to my studio,=20 but what i find more amazing is all i have played since then is about=20 20 min. wankin on my akustic guit.....20 min. in 2 weeks, i need the=20 brain doctor!.....i'd rather watch the birds in my=20 garden!.....yikes.....but that has "parameters" too.....michael http://www.myspace.com/klobuchar10 http://mysite.verizon.net/vzepmeci/ www.ct-collective.com -----Original Message----- From: perboysen@gmail.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Sent: Fri, 18 May 2007 2:13 PM Subject: Re: Flow and Electronic Musical Instrument Design A funny detail, regarding this mental work, is that in praxis it cooks=20 down to the simple question "which parameters can I take away to reduce=20 my options?" But when I talk to fellow musicians I'm finding that quite=20 a lot of people think about it in the opposite way, as "how can I get=20 more options available?" ;-)=C2=A0 ________________________________________________________________________ AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free=20 from AOL at AOL.com. =3D0 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 18 21:59:11 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2727A3BF0A; Fri, 18 May 2007 21:59:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com References: <3C6635ED-5D7D-4D9E-AED8-4EC9F1CB5E3E@bernhardwagner.net> <8C967A7218DA2DE-994-4F65@webmail-me09.sysops.aol.com> <464E1C9B.6010308@tiscali.co.uk> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: Ronin / Lupus in Fabula / To Beatle Or Not To Beatle Date: Fri, 18 May 2007 17:59:03 -0400 In-Reply-To: <464E1C9B.6010308@tiscali.co.uk> X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 From: nemoguitt@aol.com X-MB-Message-Type: User Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"; format=flowed X-Mailer: AOL WebMail 25698 Message-Id: <8C967AEE1E2C84C-994-517D@webmail-me09.sysops.aol.com> X-AOL-IP: 64.12.88.201 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70308 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 18 May 2007 21:59:11 +0000 (UTC) yepper.....he kept acting like a lost sole!.....ya wiseguy!......btb i=20 bet b-man was renting those shoes out at nite.....thus the=20 edict!.....hmmmm......when he comes to my house he will have to leave=20 everything outside!.....michael <> =C2=A0 ________________________________________________________________________ AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free=20 from AOL at AOL.com. =3D0 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 18 22:09:24 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5A5AD3BEFA; Fri, 18 May 2007 22:09:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: References: <200705181607.l4IG7Umq072100@mail.cruzio.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Jeff Shirkey Subject: Re: repeater news Date: Fri, 18 May 2007 17:11:09 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70309 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 18 May 2007 22:09:24 +0000 (UTC) I just got an email from Electrix. I sent them an email on July 27, 2005, and they just now replied. That's the good news. The bad news is that *there was no reply*--just my original email quoted back to me without comment. So, I give them an A for effort, since someone is clearly going through old correspondence and attempting to answer queries. But they get an F in execution. Is this a surprise? ;) Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 18 22:42:03 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5358F3BF01; Fri, 18 May 2007 22:42:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <200705181408515.SM08308@quahome> References: <200705181408515.SM08308@quahome> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1--642542678 Message-Id: From: Richard Sales Subject: Re: Flow and Electronic Musical Instrument Design Date: Fri, 18 May 2007 15:42:00 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70310 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 18 May 2007 22:42:03 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-1--642542678 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Hi QUa I know for playing guitar sitting is WAY better than standing for me. My body can move, but I don't have to worry about keeping myself vertical! I think most guitarists would agree, but most stand up so they can be seen above the crowd. Also, it's harder to do the windmill guitar moves sitting down. And of course, sitting is the tried and true method of playing keyboards (piano). I've done it standing up (organ & synth), but sitting is so much better, especially after a few beers. I think possibly it might be easier to work floor pedals standing up, though. I think correct posture when sitting is critical for me. I've seen great guitarists sit wrong and they seem to be fine. But they're young and the bones and muscles are still too intimidated by the vigor of youth to make their statement. But, given time, they will. And when they do, OUCH! I think flow is mostly in our minds. Certainly, that which stops flow is in our minds. Moving the body sometimes seems to shut down that part of the mind that stops flow. But it doesn't have to be jumping jacks. richard sales glassWing farm and studio vancouver island, b.c. 800.545.6846 250.752.4816 www.glassWing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com On 18-May-07, at 2:02 PM, Qua Veda wrote: > > What do you think - does sitting in a relatively fixed position, at a > computer, or set of control surfaces help or hinder Flow ? > -Qua --Apple-Mail-1--642542678 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=US-ASCII Hi QUa I know for playing guitar sitting is WAY better than standing for me. My body can move, but I don't have to worry about keeping myself vertical! I think most guitarists would agree, but most stand up so they can be seen above the crowd. Also, it's harder to do the windmill guitar moves sitting down. And of course, sitting is the tried and true method of playing keyboards (piano). I've done it standing up (organ & synth), but sitting is so much better, especially after a few beers. I think possibly it might be easier to work floor pedals standing up, though. I think correct posture when sitting is critical for me. I've seen great guitarists sit wrong and they seem to be fine. But they're young and the bones and muscles are still too intimidated by the vigor of youth to make their statement. But, given time, they will. And when they do, OUCH! I think flow is mostly in our minds. Certainly, that which stops flow is in our minds. Moving the body sometimes seems to shut down that part of the mind that stops flow. But it doesn't have to be jumping jacks. Gadgetrichard sales 7373,7F7F,C5C5glassWing farm and studio vancouver island, b.c. 800.545.6846 250.752.4816C3C3,9696,1C1C www.glassWing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com On 18-May-07, at 2:02 PM, Qua Veda wrote: What do you think - does sitting in a relatively fixed position, at a computer, or set of control surfaces help or hinder Flow ? -Qua --Apple-Mail-1--642542678-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 19 01:17:47 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5CC383BF05; Sat, 19 May 2007 01:17:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=fUKYhUFXn8j8wcLdQjs+qfMU+zWuSPkSGBu5eTUvn6x00/TjBrDUjArajEXabvSZUUygYjWSknRZR8KvJNLcsgz0aEixaDDEln0p57evZqFuuGhpE0tVfbuKB8XmFFwPgVo4TK1ghgDopcqxojmUPl/Nw5U4v+slo5Pw3SiYGMs= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=X3bNfMcqYU1fy2ruOd3JDmi+LdniFEH/GbrFvFkxx0UXRBdV8XKGflL4uvLjpsi3SJR7ij3DJfEwW1ZMhxxx+Qxve7KqWJ6O4LzO2z6v6V0xcpPTWYpnKGIxlnz1v2sp0dCqVCKSxS+6ICvWxN4pSLrFn9M9tupHf7ojUnATToo= Message-ID: Date: Fri, 18 May 2007 20:17:45 -0500 From: "The Subversive Workshop" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: PMC-10 LoopTrig difficulty MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_89218_5755006.1179537465232" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70311 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 19 May 2007 01:17:47 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_89218_5755006.1179537465232 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Howdy... I just picked up a PMC-10 on ebay, and I'm trying make it a sample/loop trigger. I'm running into some weirdness, though. I've got it set to trigger 3 different loops using note on information from the PMC-10 (values 84, 85 & 86). I set up three loops with the Echoplex (using a FCB 1010 controller). Then, I switch to the loop trigs with the PMC-10. While one loop is playing, I hit one of the other loop triggers. A moment of it plays, then there's silence. It actually records over that loop as well. When I hit any other loop triger, they work just fine. It's always the first trigger that screws up. Anyone have any ideas or any experience with this? I'm sure I'm probably just programming something incorrectly or have a setting that's funny in the PMC-10. Any help would be greatly appreciated! -- ++++++ www.myspace.com/jeffmcleodisstupid ------=_Part_89218_5755006.1179537465232 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Howdy...

I just picked up a PMC-10 on ebay, and I'm trying make it a sample/loop trigger. I'm running into some weirdness, though.

I've got it set to trigger 3 different loops using note on information from the PMC-10 (values 84, 85 & 86). I set up three loops with the Echoplex (using a FCB 1010 controller). Then, I switch to the loop trigs with the PMC-10. While one loop is playing, I hit one of the other loop triggers. A moment of it plays, then there's silence. It actually records over that loop as well. When I hit any other loop triger, they work just fine.

It's always the first trigger that screws up. Anyone have any ideas or any experience with this? I'm sure I'm probably just programming something incorrectly or have a setting that's funny in the PMC-10.

Any help would be greatly appreciated!

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www.myspace.com/jeffmcleodisstupid ------=_Part_89218_5755006.1179537465232-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 19 01:44:47 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3672A3BF0C; Sat, 19 May 2007 01:44:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=Kq4b7bjXnUbDJuuQhOSQ6smk9HkBSHDqmx0jC5wNKETOhl3GgnHN+TsBfdZQtTBx1NVtFb63MM7VbSQ5gZwrYf8u5Id6P+cbuDduY1QywwoyeicnoV+m2U9ecFybHF/LNnU0xquuxUh3tEd8L9FJHy267XGLjUmv+/PFxPHmFCs=; X-YMail-OSG: O.rURJIVM1n0l361XintmUzos9LmU5eAwnuTm7DVDr6Usl.YJnWOtX729nWlBU1I2RbO0uEPj9pG6zuCwvoyz8Os09nIFV6WaMPucAacCN65HKToo3gllvCv8REQdA-- Date: Fri, 18 May 2007 18:44:44 -0700 (PDT) From: John Tidwell Subject: Re: New Repeater Software features To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <172035.71004.qm@web34803.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70312 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 19 May 2007 01:44:47 +0000 (UTC) > Independent track looping control (can act like a > sampler as well). Can anyone elaborate on this? Does it mean each track can have different length loops? What does "act like a sampler" really mean? > Completely overhauled MIDI implementation that will > give you greater > control over more features. What was left to improve on midi controlwise? I wish they would give us an open ended multiply function like the EDP has. ____________________________________________________________________________________Get the free Yahoo! toolbar and rest assured with the added security of spyware protection. http://new.toolbar.yahoo.com/toolbar/features/norton/index.php From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 19 01:56:29 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 274D93BF04; Sat, 19 May 2007 01:56:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=a2jiwFF2XYJCDwTrQ7yFQzCbU5GtktBXj2FEwb4IMij7ed5kA9mMGDvPMglilNOMPB+dy1d+50fmIgeYE80wOCDhkZZP+XurALnCXh2Q7D707mqwJNqp46WhvYySbd1QyUE7+u6KVJwOI+bZYw5vHAvjntzEF/YYp+80VAx2KZw= ; Message-ID: <20070519015626.16654.qmail@web32713.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: SgKKcaMVM1nuF1v7mrZB9mE7liLdY7_.uYLTm0h1k0sk.y7q8ECELFdqvMWMbwTFUYh4ZVTEC90YCw80AgiJd38RBg-- Date: Fri, 18 May 2007 18:56:26 -0700 (PDT) From: bill bigrig Subject: Re: Flow and Electronic Musical Instrument Design To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70313 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 19 May 2007 01:56:29 +0000 (UTC) Howdy, I prefer sitting for keyboards, standing for guitar as my homade axe is rather clumsy while seated, but for vocals, time and time again I get the best results while standing. i don't know why but comparing tracks always sounds better for me while standing, Rig --- Richard Sales wrote: > Hi QUa > > I know for playing guitar sitting is WAY better than > standing for me. > My body can move, but I don't have to worry about > keeping myself > vertical! I think most guitarists would agree, but > most stand up so > they can be seen above the crowd. Also, it's harder > to do the windmill > guitar moves sitting down. And of course, sitting > is the tried and > true method of playing keyboards (piano). I've done > it standing up > (organ & synth), but sitting is so much better, > especially after a few > beers. > > I think possibly it might be easier to work floor > pedals standing up, > though. > > I think correct posture when sitting is critical for > me. I've seen > great guitarists sit wrong and they seem to be fine. > But they're young > and the bones and muscles are still too intimidated > by the vigor of > youth to make their statement. But, given time, > they will. And when > they do, OUCH! > > I think flow is mostly in our minds. Certainly, > that which stops flow > is in our minds. Moving the body sometimes seems to > shut down that > part of the mind that stops flow. But it doesn't > have to be jumping > jacks. > > richard sales > glassWing farm and studio > vancouver island, b.c. > 800.545.6846 > 250.752.4816 > www.glassWing.com > www.richardsales.com > www.hayleysales.com > www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com > On 18-May-07, at 2:02 PM, Qua Veda wrote: > > > > What do you think - does sitting in a relatively > fixed position, at a > > computer, or set of control surfaces help or > hinder Flow ? > > -Qua > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Need Mail bonding? Go to the Yahoo! Mail Q&A for great tips from Yahoo! Answers users. http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=list&sid=396546091 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 19 02:49:00 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 42F2C3BF02; Sat, 19 May 2007 02:49:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-UNTD-OriginStamp: o/bIkQeVaBme+Zo4dBx9J3z9cjG/B/JJBrKxvX1f1A20zpH8TgQ0cdJpOh9fZckk X-Originating-IP: [67.150.73.218] Mime-Version: 1.0 From: "stillllscary@netzero.net" Date: Sat, 19 May 2007 02:47:29 GMT To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Cc: stillllscary@netzero.net Subject: Re: Flow and Electronic Musical Instrument Design X-Mailer: Webmail Version 4.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative;boundary="--__JWM__J1644.2e6aS.48daM" Message-Id: <20070518.194803.808.2287264@webmail07.lax.untd.com> X-ContentStamp: 1:1:3194678544 X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 10.131.27.147|webmail07.lax.untd.com|webmail07.lax.untd.com|stillllscary@netzero.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70314 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 19 May 2007 02:49:00 +0000 (UTC) ----__JWM__J1644.2e6aS.48daM Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain sitting,barefoot & smokin a fattty is the way i roll...its all about com= fort....i couldnt imagine using a lot of footwork while standing/sounds = like work to me...and the cards told me to relax. forever lurking, Danny ----__JWM__J1644.2e6aS.48daM Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/html

sitting,barefoot & smokin a fattty is the way i roll..= .its all about comfort....i couldnt imagine using a lot of footwork whil= e standing/sounds like work to me...and the cards told me to relax.

forever lurking, Danny

----__JWM__J1644.2e6aS.48daM-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 19 03:19:34 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 853983BF02; Sat, 19 May 2007 03:19:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <20070519015626.16654.qmail@web32713.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20070519015626.16654.qmail@web32713.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-3--625897543 Message-Id: <78362aa89601656dcf3f5639ae62fa71@glasswing.com> From: Richard Sales Subject: Re: Flow and Electronic Musical Instrument Design Date: Fri, 18 May 2007 20:19:25 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70315 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 19 May 2007 03:19:34 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-3--625897543 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Yup! You're right when talking about standing for vox. I know I SHOULD stand when playing guitar too, but maybe I'm just getting lazy. I sit and play in my daughter's band. At first she really hated it - it just wasn't hip - but so many of her friends liked it and thought it made me look like an old blues guy. Even some of the big record guys commented positively on it. So I'm still getting away with it. Of course, now that I've defended it so strongly, I have this really strong urge to stand and play. richard sales glassWing farm and studio vancouver island, b.c. 800.545.6846 250.752.4816 www.glassWing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com On 18-May-07, at 6:56 PM, bill bigrig wrote: > Howdy, > > I prefer sitting for keyboards, standing for guitar > as my homade axe is rather clumsy while seated, but > for vocals, time and time again I get the best results > while standing. i don't know why but comparing tracks > always sounds better for me while standing, > Rig > > > _______________________________________________________________________ > _____________ > Need Mail bonding? > Go to the Yahoo! Mail Q&A for great tips from Yahoo! Answers users. > http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=list&sid=396546091 > --Apple-Mail-3--625897543 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=US-ASCII Yup! You're right when talking about standing for vox. I know I SHOULD stand when playing guitar too, but maybe I'm just getting lazy. I sit and play in my daughter's band. At first she really hated it - it just wasn't hip - but so many of her friends liked it and thought it made me look like an old blues guy. Even some of the big record guys commented positively on it. So I'm still getting away with it. Of course, now that I've defended it so strongly, I have this really strong urge to stand and play. Gadget richard sales 7373,7F7F,C5C5glassWing farm and studio vancouver island, b.c. 800.545.6846 250.752.4816C3C3,9696,1C1C www.glassWing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com On 18-May-07, at 6:56 PM, bill bigrig wrote: Howdy, I prefer sitting for keyboards, standing for guitar as my homade axe is rather clumsy while seated, but for vocals, time and time again I get the best results while standing. i don't know why but comparing tracks always sounds better for me while standing, Rig ____________________________________________________________________________________ Need Mail bonding? Go to the Yahoo! Mail Q&A for great tips from Yahoo! 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----------MB_8C967DDBCCAD5DD_1300_A1C0_mblk-d33.sysops.aol.com-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 19 04:25:20 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AA6993BF04; Sat, 19 May 2007 04:25:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <200705171557.l4HFvdZV046009@mail.cruzio.com> <1BB076E4C332F9469148F41725F17A720347764C@MTVNE-EXCLUST02.mtvne.ad.viacom. com> <3701F2CA-5ED5-4C1D-BEFF-B8024EB84DBC@zoekeating.com> Date: Fri, 18 May 2007 23:25:11 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Mech Subject: Re: repeater news Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70317 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 19 May 2007 04:25:20 +0000 (UTC) At 12:37 PM -0700 5/17/07, Zoe Keating wrote: >The feature list on their site looks the same as the beta list >(along with one thing I really wanted, visual indentification of >muted tracks, yay!). I thought the list sounded awful familiar, considering your earlier report on the lost beta. If it does indeed incorporate the features you spoke about previously, it's worth the money IMNSHO (especially considering how vitriolic I've been over on the Repeater list regarding why they wouldn't release that upgrade to bugfix). >I know others clamoured for it, but I wasn't keen on direct overdub >(i.e. record a loop, close a loop, RPTR goes directly into overdub), >and I don't like that feature in the LP1 either, so I hope there >will be a way to turn it off. Well, at least on the LP-1 you can program around that pretty easily. Also, I just noticed section 2.1.8 in the Repeater 2.x addendum that (I think) addresses your concern. I think the new software defaults to Rec --> Odub mode, so you have to go in and set it to "Repeater 1.0" mode manually. However, I think you can definitely keep the original mode. --m. -- _____ "I want to keep you alive so there is always the possibility of murder... later" From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 19 04:29:31 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 534983BEF4; Sat, 19 May 2007 04:29:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Sat, 19 May 2007 00:27:10 -0400 From: "Emile Tobenfeld (a.k.a Dr. T)" Subject: Video Performance Dorcheseter MA, 05.24 X-Sender: doctort2@incoming.verizon.net To: DrTVideo@egroups.com Cc: eyecandy@egroups.com, boss-improv@topica.com, iotacenter@egroups.com, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, atari-midi@yahoogroups.com, FRAMEWORKS@LISTSERV.AOL.COM, ":"@arsenic.violacea.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70318 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 19 May 2007 04:29:31 +0000 (UTC) Hi folks, I'll be doing what I expect will be my last video=20 performance of the rainy month of May (or is that=20 the merry month of May?) on Thursday, Nay 24 as=20 part of a reception and multi-media performance=20 centered around the work of Guadulesa. Guadulesa is a wonderful painter (and person). A=20 lot of her painting is done as improvisation with=20 live music -- one such work hangs in our living=20 room. There will performers from Envision Artis,=20 Saxophonist Tom Von Zabern, and others. The=20 reception starts at 7 -- I expect the music/video=20 part to start around 9. At 2:08 PM -0700 5/16/07, Guadulesa wrote: >Gallery G at The Black Indian Inn 38 Bicknell=20 >Street Dorchester Ma 02121 will host reception /=20 >reunion of artist and musicians =93The Return of Guadulesa=94 Thursday May 24, 2007 from 7 PM to midnight for=20 more information call 617-288-5383 www.blackindianinn.com -- " Practice makes perfect, imperfect is better." -- Paul Bley Emile Tobenfeld, Ph. D. Video Producer Image Processing Specialist Video for your HEAD! Boris FX http://www.foryourhead.com http://www.borisfx.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 19 05:11:15 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 899B93BF01; Sat, 19 May 2007 05:11:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <200705181607.l4IG7Umq072100@mail.cruzio.com> References: <200705181607.l4IG7Umq072100@mail.cruzio.com> Date: Sat, 19 May 2007 00:11:02 -0500 To: From: Mech Subject: Re: repeater news Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70319 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 19 May 2007 05:11:15 +0000 (UTC) At 9:06 AM -0700 5/18/07, William Walker wrote: >Mech wrote >>"Hey Bill! >> >>Just curious, since I know you used to make heavy use of the >>Repeater's pitch shifting functions: what are you using with the >>LP-1 to do pitch manipulation? > >Well I can't do some of the mellotron type tricks that the repeater >does when you create a sample and then use a midi controlled (in my >case an old Roland Gr30) arpeggiator to make the samples change >pitch and follow the arpeggiator. Or I would program a few banks on >the FCB1010 to change pitch of given tracks. Yeah, that's exactly what I was referring to. I saw you headline "Guitar Night" at Loopfest a couple years back, and was completely blown away by some of the pitch stuff you were doing. However, I know the LP-1 doesn't have the same pitch manipulation capabilities as the Repeater (well, not yet, at least), so I was curious how you were adapting. >I haven't been using it as I was finding some of those tricks were >tending to make much of my improvs sound the same, and I wanted a >paradigm shift in my approach Heh, that explains it then. New tools demand new approaches. ;) >Though I haven't completely retired the RPTR, I have been digging >in to the LP-1 so much and trying to master it, that I just haven't >had time to use the RPTR. I am intrigued however with the new >upgrades and would consider getting mine pimped out. For now if I >want pitch shift, I use the LP-1' half speed record ability to >create bass parts or high octave parts depending on which record >speed I'm using. One of my favorite LP-1 tricks is to create a short >one note drone in normal speed and then hit a preset that drops it >an octave and puts it in reverse. I find I can get really cool bass >parts with reverse envelopes this way. And after the fact I can use >the replace function simple to erase portions of the drone to create >a syncopated bass riff. Suh-weet! I'm going to have to try that one. I'll admit that I've been so scattered with travel lately, that I've fallen behind on my LP-1 chops. Here's a quid-pro-quo, however, that you may or may not find useful (depending on whether you've seen the thread on the Looperlative board): I'm getting some rather interesting results so far by using a pitch-shift unit in one of the Aux outputs. I'll then take the effected output and run it back into the LP-1, re-recording it onto another track as a harmony voice. Also, one of the guys on the Looperlative board (thanks, Knights) hit on an interesting variation. If you use the LP-1's Half-Speed Record, then use a pitch shifter to take it back up an octave, you wind up with a nice emulation of half-speed Time Stretching; double-speed if you initially record at Half and switch to Normal Speed, then pitch *down* by an octave. More fun with track-bouncing can be had by incorporating delays and distortion too, not to mention LP-1 functions like Scramble and Replace (as I'm sure you already know). :) --m. -- _____ "I want to keep you alive so there is always the possibility of murder... later" From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 19 08:18:45 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 353CA3BF02; Sat, 19 May 2007 08:18:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [90.200.69.128] X-Originating-Email: [simeonharris@hotmail.com] X-Sender: simeonharris@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: From: "simeon harris" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: repeater news Date: Sat, 19 May 2007 08:18:40 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 May 2007 08:18:43.0182 (UTC) FILETIME=[504CB8E0:01C799EE] Resent-Message-ID: <3BJ5P.A.evB.kLrTGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70320 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 19 May 2007 08:18:45 +0000 (UTC) is there a new version of the manual, or a list of new PC and CC assignments that we can have a look at? kinds pointless ordering the new software if you don't know how it works! sim _________________________________________________________________ Txt a lot? Get Messenger FREE on your mobile. https://livemessenger.mobile.uk.msn.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 19 08:24:50 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A3EBB3BF01; Sat, 19 May 2007 08:24:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-SBRS: 4.7 X-RemoteIP: 212.74.114.11 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AgAAADpRTkbUSnILk2dsb2JhbACQEgEBAgcGCAcFH598 Message-ID: <464EB465.6000007@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Sat, 19 May 2007 09:25:09 +0100 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: repeater news References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Antivirus-Scanner: Scanned with ClamAV Resent-Message-ID: <4xvsY.A.4JC.RRrTGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70321 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 19 May 2007 08:24:50 +0000 (UTC) http://www.electrixpro.com/rep201manual.pdf now ask me something with a long involved answer the nobody reads andy butler simeon harris wrote: > is there a new version of the manual, or a list of new PC and CC > assignments that we can have a look at? kinds pointless ordering the new > software if you don't know how it works! > > sim > > _________________________________________________________________ > Txt a lot? Get Messenger FREE on your mobile. > https://livemessenger.mobile.uk.msn.com/ > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 19 09:03:54 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 05C303BEFB; Sat, 19 May 2007 09:03:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=RdHQpeijGlGJzcOSLrU3rc+eJid2GbVcj1nY46u8vUtYELknERA4fLI61p+IxGQfMAvRCEb2/6doZ9bFj9AyWinpiQLabwN00v/cJy291Oq06DiBOAm3OcAuPq5NfBVrPY4NfFuo13V3xBYFGJvz2FS3gSRBXBsOhBYgcaNWXHM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=XJLcePDnONfk/OFgvtS7ulA8czIfVS4TY4jaRIFw6BxDN7zsI1+70x7V2JFtZ8f4XC7Jeq9WXGfJvPA0dgEqdBz3gmg9bWLgVmB7T3H5eNjV76KvPuH+VLNx5x8i+OJco6I/1Y9k8F+7y12s8l8OHX9+94fAscaAur+gUr7PAnQ= Message-ID: Date: Sat, 19 May 2007 02:03:49 -0700 From: "Travis Hartnett" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: repeater news In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70322 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 19 May 2007 09:03:53 +0000 (UTC) Link to new manual: http://www.electrixpro.com/rep201manual.pdf On 5/19/07, simeon harris wrote: > is there a new version of the manual, or a list of new PC and CC assignments > that we can have a look at? kinds pointless ordering the new software if you > don't know how it works! > > sim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 19 11:50:57 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0142A3BF11; Sat, 19 May 2007 11:50:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Sat, 19 May 2007 07:52:45 -0400 From: Bill Fox Subject: The AM/FM Show Playlist for May 12, 2007 To: Loopers Delight Mailing List , Daniel Pipitone , Jeff Kowal Message-id: <464EE50D.8040608@soundscapes.us> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.10 (Windows/20070221) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70323 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 19 May 2007 11:50:56 +0000 (UTC) http://soundscapes.us/amfm/playlists/2007/070512.html I host the Saturday AM/FM Show every other week where I play electronic, ambient, spacemusic, Progressive Rock, and an eclectic mix of other genres. The show airs from 6:00 am to 8:00 am on WMUH Allentown, 91.7 FM and on the internet. I also host Afterglow every Thursday from 8:00 am to 9:30 am. Show #108 May 12, 2006. During Phase I of this show, I continued the special on the sampler CDs that come with each issue of E-dition electronic music magazine. I also played the music of Steve Roach and Jeffrey Koepper who will be in concert tonight at the Gatherings Concert Series. In Phase 3, I played the music of some of the bands that will be at the New Jersey Proghouse on May 19. Phase I/Space: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ==================== ==================== ============================== Jeffrey Koepper Between Dreams Etherea (Air Space) Jeffrey Koepper Distant Light Etherea (Air Space) Arttek Deep Freeze Plug In (none) VA [Remy] Destination Unknown E-dition #13 (Groove) Steve Roach Void Passage-Portal Storm Surge (NEARfest) Steve Roach Possible Passage Storm Surge (NEARfest) Steve Roach NEARstorm Storm Surge (NEARfest) Phase II/Eclectic: Preempted for an expansed Phase I. Phase III/Progressive Rock: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ==================== ==================== ============================== Pulse Comfortably Numb Heartbeat (Fox's Den) Pinnacle The Deepest Sea Meld (Everything To Excess) Pinnacle Unsung Hero A Man's Reach... (Everything To Excess) Advent GK Contramundum Cantus Firmus (none) Advent Awaiting the Call... Cantus Firmus (none) Porcupine Tree Anesthetize Fear of a Blank Planet (Atlantic) Beardfish Harmony Sleeping In Traffic: Part One (InsideOut) * = excerpt ++ = Advanced CDR from artist VA = Various Artists (compilation) I return to the AM/FM Show on May 26. On the next show, I will continue the special on the sampler CDs that come with each issue of E-dition electronic music magazine. Bill ====================================================================== Host of the AM/FM Show every other Saturday at 6:00 am EST (GMT-5:00). Phase 1: Electronic, ambient, and space music to bring you back from "Beyond the Barriers." Phase 2: Mixed bag of acoustic, electric, pop, or New Age. Phase 3: Progressive rock from past masters to contemporary releases. Web Site - http://soundscapes.us/amfm Listen to WMUH Allentown locally at 91.7 FM or on-line at http://www.muhlenberg.edu/wmuh and click the REAL AUDIO link or go directly to rtsp://helix.muhlenberg.edu:554/broadcast/live.rm Playlists are also published at http://billfox.blogspot.com RSS (2.0) feed from http://billfox.blogspot.com/rss.xml Atom (0.3) feed from http://billfox.blogspot.com/atom.xml ====================================================================== The progdj list is the central clearing house for radio playlists of Progressive Rock programs. Tired of joining dozens of mailing lists to post playlists or track airplay? The progdj list solves that problem. The progdj list is the place to go in order to see playlists and CD and concert reviews by DJs of progressive rock-friendly radio programs. Anyone interested in seeing playlists can join. There is NO SPAM because I keep the spammers out before the members ever see any hint of it. The progdj list is for DJs (obviously!) and band members, record label personnel, promoters, managers, and anyone else interested in seeing what gets played on the air. Need to find who is playing prog on the radio? Go to the progdj list. To join, go to http://groups.yahoo.com/group/progdj and click on the [Join This Group!] link. ====================================================================== From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 19 12:13:54 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 54D433BF08; Sat, 19 May 2007 12:13:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [90.200.69.128] X-Originating-Email: [simeonharris@hotmail.com] X-Sender: simeonharris@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: From: "simeon harris" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: repeater news Date: Sat, 19 May 2007 12:13:50 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 May 2007 12:13:52.0340 (UTC) FILETIME=[2A036140:01C79A0F] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70324 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 19 May 2007 12:13:54 +0000 (UTC) >Link to new manual: > >http://www.electrixpro.com/rep201manual.pdf thank you andy & travis...actually i like the look of some of the improvements a lot...might be worth the extra dough if it aint buggy....looking forward to hearing what people habe to say about it... sim _________________________________________________________________ Play your part in making history - Email Britain! http://www.emailbritain.co.uk/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 19 13:35:37 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5B1AA3BF11; Sat, 19 May 2007 13:35:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=Iqze+9PgMjo2xv7TLwBOhpqD/Xnj78++cJlyP2cETqaF7LWSxWCCJZ670toS+gphQbZZKpWdd2re+sWowSy7EHzS9nR0Z5IKZzwYmFeR9rtUIXQEWfga3zCIAF9L7/3qkJzCGlfS6cu0/vMuLXjZ7F1cCBTiCeeaBagdP1OSv3A=; X-YMail-OSG: X219f8EVM1lv1Wb3nSJ95ATMjANGPj5yDpyliI04enEIwPNsEuzrz2UXPATElK3t3Q-- Date: Sat, 19 May 2007 06:35:35 -0700 (PDT) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: Re: repeater news To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <375949.73857.qm@web38409.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <801597.77750.qm@web38606.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70325 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 19 May 2007 13:35:37 +0000 (UTC) didnt they say at one point new upgrades wouldnt work on old repeaters or the need of special hardware upgrade? this is one of the reasons i sold mine as well! Luis www.myspace.com/luisangulocom ____________________________________________________________________________________Be a better Heartthrob. Get better relationship answers from someone who knows. Yahoo! Answers - Check it out. http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=list&sid=396545433 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 19 14:57:05 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 44DBB3BF02; Sat, 19 May 2007 14:57:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Sat, 19 May 2007 22:56:55 -0400 From: "David Kirkdorffer" Subject: UNDO - Ambient Ping - Saturday 3.30pm EST To: Message-id: <000801c79a8a$873350c0$0affff0a@hppav> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1478 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1478 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <00e701c795e9$80e2e320$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70326 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 19 May 2007 14:57:05 +0000 (UTC) Hello - I thought I should promote the fact that the dulcet tones of UNDO will be plaguing the internet Saturday 19th @3.30pm EST in a rebroadcast of Monday's AMBiENT PiNG RADiO. You can turn on and tune in here: http://www.ambientpingradio.com However, for more immediate gratification and downloading pleasure, you can also visit: http://www.myspace.com/undomusic Bring your consciousness however you will. Best wishes, David ---------------------------------------------------------------------- THE ALMOST LiVE MUSiC SERiES on AMBiENT PiNG RADiO Monday May 14th at 9pm EST a new ALMOST LiVE iN THE STUDiO set by UNDO. Featuring the work of David Kirkdorffer on guitar, this set presents a series of live guitar improvisations recorded direct to tape without the aid of any synths or keyboards. It's a fascinating journey in aural textures - check it out. The ALMOST LiVE MUSiC SERiES is broadcast on http://www.ambientpingradio.com on Mondays at 9PM EST and is rebroadcast Thursdays at 12midnight EST and Saturdays at 3:30PM EST. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 19 16:27:15 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1291E3BF05; Sat, 19 May 2007 16:27:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <200705191627.l4JGR8Te077051@mail.cruzio.com> Reply-To: From: "William Walker" To: Subject: repeater news Date: Sat, 19 May 2007 09:27:08 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0027_01C799F7.DF82EDA0" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Thread-Index: AceaMot9ddtuEEkURtCXhC4grCj98g== X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.1 required=1.0 tests=AWL,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=disabled version=3.1.7 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.7 (2006-10-05) on mail.cruzio.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70327 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 19 May 2007 16:27:15 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0027_01C799F7.DF82EDA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Guys and Dolls, I was beginning to feel left out because everyone was getting nice e-mails from Electrix but me. Guess what showed up in the mail yesterday Happy! Happy! Joy! Joy! This is the first response to my inquiry from a few weeks before the Zurich Loop fest, in August of 2005. (See below). I know some of you are a bit annoyed by this, but does anyone besides me find this at all comical? Bill Please check out our new web site. www.electrixpro.com Spend some time looking at the new products, with new released date. Also if you have any customer service questions please see our new customer service page: http://www.electrixpro.com/support/cservice.html We also released the new Repeater OS V 2.01 software for purchase. So check it out. Thank you Team Electrix.. -----Original Message----- From: William Walker [mailto:billwalker@baymoon.com] Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2005 2:32 PM To: info@electrixpro.com Subject: Repeater??? At the end of August my brother Rick and i will be featured performancers at the 1st international looping festival in Zurich Switzerland. I was hoping to have my brand new improved repeater in my hands to take to the show. Any word on delivery dates or is this just another myth? Thanks Bill Walker ------=_NextPart_000_0027_01C799F7.DF82EDA0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi Guys and Dolls, I was beginning to feel left out = because everyone was getting nice e-mails from Electrix but me. Guess what showed up in = the mail yesterday Happy!  Happy! Joy! Joy!

This is the first response to my inquiry from a few = weeks before the Zurich Loop fest, in August of 2005. (See below). I know =   some of you are a bit  annoyed by this, but does anyone besides me find = this at all comical?

Bill

 

Please check out = our new web site.

www.electrixpro.com

 

Spend some time = looking at the new products, with new released date.

 

Also if you have = any customer service questions please see our new customer service page: =

http://www.elec= trixpro.com/support/cservice.html

 

We also released = the new Repeater OS V 2.01 software for purchase.

 

So check it out. =

 

Thank = you

Team = Electrix..

 

-----Original = Message-----

From: William = Walker [mailto:billwalker@baymoon.com]=

Sent: Tuesday, = August 02, 2005 2:32 PM

To: = info@electrixpro.com

Subject: = Repeater???

 

At the end of = August my brother Rick and i will be featured performancers at the 1st = international looping festival in Zurich = Switzerland. I was hoping to have my brand new improved repeater in my hands to take to = the show. Any word on delivery dates or is this just another = myth?

Thanks

Bill = Walker

 

 

 

 

------=_NextPart_000_0027_01C799F7.DF82EDA0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 19 18:13:59 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 553E13BF10; Sat, 19 May 2007 18:13:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: <8C967DDBCCAD5DD-1300-5C21@mblk-d33.sysops.aol.com> References: <8C967DDBCCAD5DD-1300-5C21@mblk-d33.sysops.aol.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1--572228457 Message-Id: <4BB53CB2-9575-40F8-B48E-1E5C02A46655@mac.com> From: Teddy Subject: Re: Boss RC50 looper Questions... MODs.. is this possible?? Date: Sat, 19 May 2007 11:13:54 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAA== X-Brightmail-scanned: yes Resent-Message-ID: <7bhnr.A.T7B.m5zTGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70328 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 19 May 2007 18:13:59 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-1--572228457 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed wow, nice... so you obviously opened the box and did some soldering. did you make a custom connector? would be fun to see the details of how you did that. teddy On May 18, 2007, at 8:34 PM, prcamann@aol.com wrote: > http://www.peterpringle.com/rc50.htm --Apple-Mail-1--572228457 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII wow, nice... so you obviously = opened the box and did some soldering. did you make a custom = connector?
would be fun to see the details of how you did = that.

teddy

On May 18, 2007, at 8:34 PM, prcamann@aol.com wrote:

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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 19 20:53:43 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9DDF23BF10; Sat, 19 May 2007 20:53:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=lIykLeg3FsjgGGt6SYyblSrjUz3xRgimqPge6G7VekJGGTkTWT1/OEnsMViZtUwG6rkcxSSMTJ0WZDhZb9CZowExYqM7WiFccL70zjamOlc9f1IHooC4jkW5ZXZEBEtxNiwU5Q/qSx3A2AS/6RM1qt9nupLFA/qGLL7xXbJWXgs= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=VprMGqZm8GRD7bEeFeYbEDAyu6uClAtg3993ovKpHIHUKvhR8odVXj7xGD1KDx7u4XBiHhCskORpZdTa7X+iwj6HHgbTxQ9NE878xLBaBYoQx49p8eZcrM38Nv/P+1favLP9YxI3mAsl+MkmJAJiEBou5IKgvoMEiN2ZhW7gm3o= Message-ID: Date: Sat, 19 May 2007 15:53:41 -0500 From: "Doug Cox" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: John Cage on I've got a secret In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_58260_955771.1179608021423" References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70329 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 19 May 2007 20:53:43 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_58260_955771.1179608021423 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline check out how the blender locks up on the ice cubes, and then starts to smoke. :) I think Cage actually turns it off before the planned (sorry, composed) moment, because he notices that it's smoking. ------=_Part_58260_955771.1179608021423 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline check out how the blender locks up on the ice cubes, and then starts to smoke. :)

I think Cage actually turns it off before the planned (sorry, composed) moment, because he notices that it's smoking.
------=_Part_58260_955771.1179608021423-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 19 20:57:31 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3E6FF3BF08; Sat, 19 May 2007 20:57:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=pacbell.net; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=14qzQB5xJuR6B8R1/MQi+zj5U9GI+lrH8BZjdq8D9VlC7qkhuHFE3N6O++XdW6r+ekqUaFg5wnEjtdpBddz1wte/fsx6+9dAZY58pRm2BW+/3k8qZbATS77CVKnmJCJykWBV0MNdB1eFnjDGuRG47+Ztj1kMXmd2Uvp1GK1YAYY=; X-YMail-OSG: 0N0oAbMVM1leJG2T.2kLr_5tpGNoYPzsP02tqFDFnHFyL6TreawosXVN0T6Wg_YSjg-- Date: Sat, 19 May 2007 13:57:22 -0700 (PDT) From: Glenn Subject: OT: Bjork tickets for sale To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1242679806-1179608242=:91552" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <781381.91552.qm@web82615.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70330 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 19 May 2007 20:57:31 +0000 (UTC) --0-1242679806-1179608242=:91552 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Off topic but i'm no longer able to attend the Bjork show tonight at the Shoreline Ampitheater in Mountain View. Have a pair of lawn tickets (better than the 200 section of seating i think) for $60 for the pair. Pick up in downtown san jose or i could meet you if not too far away. glenn 408-971-3397 Apparently she's been using the Reactable as part of the show. --0-1242679806-1179608242=:91552 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Off topic but i'm no longer able to attend the Bjork show tonight at the Shoreline Ampitheater in Mountain View. Have a pair of lawn tickets (better than the 200 section of seating i think) for $60 for the pair. Pick up in downtown san jose or i could meet you if not too far away.
glenn 408-971-3397
 
Apparently she's been using the Reactable as part of the show.
 
 
--0-1242679806-1179608242=:91552-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 19 23:07:24 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B9ADB3BF0A; Sat, 19 May 2007 23:07:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <200705192307.l4JN7LjO093231@mail.cruzio.com> Reply-To: From: "William Walker" To: Subject: was repeater news now LP-1 blather Date: Sat, 19 May 2007 16:07:21 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000C_01C79A2F.C8754EE0" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 Thread-Index: AceaanST7ozevpAARGK9RYalRf3YUQ== X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.1 required=1.0 tests=AWL,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=disabled version=3.1.7 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.7 (2006-10-05) on mail.cruzio.com Resent-Message-ID: <0vxE3C.A.NVH.rM4TGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70331 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 19 May 2007 23:07:24 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000C_01C79A2F.C8754EE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey thanks for the kind words Mech, and thanks for the cool strategies. To be honest, I haven't even tried bounce yet as I tend to be ready to end an improve by the time I get to eight tracks full of looping, however as a technique to manipulate track speed or track direction as you move the track sounds very intriguing. I must also say that I don't do much post loop effects processing preferring pre loop effects. I also have such an early LP-1 prototype that I don't have aux outs yet but I definitely want to have them.. I also use a DL-4 in front of the LP-1 for resampling and getting sub octaves or double octaves so I can achieve the effect similar to the one you spoke of, offered up by Knight on the LP board. I must say I have been woefully remiss in contributing to that web site. Sorry Bob, if you are out there lurking. Bill ------=_NextPart_000_000C_01C79A2F.C8754EE0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hey thanks for the kind words Mech, and thanks for = the cool strategies. To be honest, I haven’t even tried bounce yet as I = tend to be ready to end an improve by the time I get to eight tracks full of = looping, however as a technique to manipulate track speed or track direction as = you move the track sounds very intriguing. I must also say that I don’t do = much post loop effects processing preferring pre loop effects. I also have = such an early LP-1 prototype that I don’t have aux outs yet but I = definitely want to have them.. I also use a   DL-4 in front of the LP-1 for resampling and getting sub octaves or double octaves so I can achieve = the effect similar to the one you spoke of, offered up by Knight on the LP = board. I must say I have been woefully remiss in contributing to that web site. = Sorry Bob, if you are out there lurking.

Bill

------=_NextPart_000_000C_01C79A2F.C8754EE0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 20 05:01:40 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 40F893BF01; Sun, 20 May 2007 05:01:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Boss RC50 looper Questions... MODs.. is this possible?? Date: Sun, 20 May 2007 01:01:32 -0400 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-MB-Message-Type: User MIME-Version: 1.0 From: prcamann@aol.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--------MB_8C968B311B1BF81_18BC_21BB_WEBMAIL-RA12.sysops.aol.com" X-Mailer: AOL WebMail 25698 Message-Id: <8C968B311B1BF81-18BC-1525@WEBMAIL-RA12.sysops.aol.com> X-AOL-IP: 152.163.181.152 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70332 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 20 May 2007 05:01:40 +0000 (UTC) ----------MB_8C968B311B1BF81_18BC_21BB_WEBMAIL-RA12.sysops.aol.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" "wow, nice... so you obviously opened the box and did some soldering. did you make a custom connector? would be fun to see the details of how you did that." Uh, no, I didn't do it. The gentleman to whose web site I sent the link, Peter Pringle, did it. You should contact him for details, or subscribe to the Levnet (Theremin listserv) and look up his posts in the archives. Paul Camann ________________________________________________________________________ AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com. ----------MB_8C968B311B1BF81_18BC_21BB_WEBMAIL-RA12.sysops.aol.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii"
"wow, nice... so you obviously opened the box and did some soldering. did you make a custom connector?
would be fun to see the details of how you did that."
 
Uh, no, I didn't do it.  The gentleman to whose web site I sent the link, Peter Pringle, did it.  You should contact him for details, or subscribe to the Levnet (Theremin listserv) and look up his posts in the archives.
 
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----------MB_8C968B311B1BF81_18BC_21BB_WEBMAIL-RA12.sysops.aol.com-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 20 19:36:44 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id ADA893BEB9; Sun, 20 May 2007 19:36:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Sun, 20 May 2007 15:38:04 -0400 From: Bill Fox Subject: electro-music festival June 1-3 Philadelphia To: Analogue Heaven Hyperreal Mailing List , Loopers Delight Mailing List , "ampfea.org music-bar" Cc: Greg Waltzer Message-id: <4650A39C.6010809@soundscapes.us> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.10 (Windows/20070221) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70333 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 20 May 2007 19:36:44 +0000 (UTC) Greetings, I'm forwarding this for a friend. Looping, analog synths, electronic music, and all manner of fun is included. Cheers, Bill ======================================== Advance Notice Release Electro-Music Festival 2007 Friday through Sunday Cheltenham Art Center June 1,2,3, 2007 439 Ashburne Road 12 Noon – 12 Midnight Cheltenham, PA Tickets from $20 - $60 Information & Ticket Purchase: event.electro-music.com CONTACT: Kip Rosser, Publicity Email: kr@performancekr.com Phone: 215-428-0387 2007 ELECTRO-MUSIC FESTIVAL IS POWERING UP! Get ready for ELECTRO-MUSIC 2007! - hailed by the Philadelphia Inquirer as “The Woodstock of electronic music” Electro-Music is the largest festival of its kind in the country. Over the course of three days festival participants and audiences will be treated to 40 separate concerts and over a dozen seminar/demonstrations. In the Cheltenham Art Center’s two galleries and on the main stage, over thirty-six hours of music performances by some of today’s most innovative composers and musicians will be featured for festival audiences as well as being streamed live throughout America, Europe and Australia. Sequencers, synths, and samplers; vocoders, delay modellers, ring modulators, theremins and emulators. They may all sound like alien weapons out of a Sci-Fi film, but they are here and now, and they’re responsible for making some of the most compelling, innovative music available to audiences today. It’s a surprising success story: festival founders Howard Moscovitz and Greg Waltzer began with an idea that became an enormously popular website (1.6 million page views per month!) that became a worldwide electronic music community that became an annual festival. “Electro-Music is a new musical movement based on the availability of very high-tech electronic and computer musical instruments that until just recently were way too expensive for someone to own. And now just about anyone can own one, with the result that people all over the world are experimenting with these instruments and new kinds of music. You now find serious composers and even kids in junior high school who are making music and know all about musical innovators like Schoenberg and Ligeti, plus they’re into rock and hip hop. They’re mixing all these different styles and coming up with amazing stuff. Electro-Music is the place to hear it.” Undeniably the most unique aspect of the Electro-Music Festival is its emphasis on community. Where other festivals are more commonly a venue for paying audiences to see a lineup of booked performers, Electro-Music is an artist-driven event. The performers and participants contribute to the festival themselves, helping one another with equipment and technical issues like sound checks. Others are involved in the set-up of the whole event, from loading in, to advance publicity. Sharing their skills in this way ensures that the festival will take place. Helping to organize their own festival is like a badge of honor; it’s a testament to their unified commitment to having a forum for their ideas, their music, and a true sense of belonging to a worldwide community of electronic music enthusiasts. This show of generosity and support for one another makes for a charged and spirited atmosphere where new alliances are forged, ideas and techniques are exchanged and the excitement is always palpable. Since the late 1920’s musicians and composers have pursued the making of music by electronic means, finally reaching its widest audience with the groundbreaking partnership of the late Dr. Robert Moog and Wendy Carlos with the 1968 release of the worldwide smash album, Switched on Bach. In that one recording, the famed Moog Synthesizer changed the world’s musical landscape forever. Now, in the present day, people of all ages can create electronic music on their own home computers using a host of affordable software applications. Electro-Music 2007 affords the public a chance to see and hear a staggering variety of electronic music being made live. And they’ll see music being made on an equally staggering array of equipment, from laptop computers to the most sophisticated state-of-the-art synthesizers. There are musicians who perform on homemade rigs composed of guitar pedals, wonderfully modified toys (a process called circuit bending), and highly unusual creations such as the theremin – an instrument that is played without being touched. For more information, schedules and a brief video documentary of last year’s festival, visit www.electro-music.com. ELECTRO-MUSIC 2007 runs from noon to midnight, Friday through Sunday, June 1, 2, and 3rd, at the Cheltenham Art Center, located at 439 Ashburne Road in Cheltenham PA, just outside Philadelphia. Free Parking is available in the church lot just across the street You can purchase Single Day Passes for $25.00, an Evening Concert Ticket for $20.00, or a full 3-Day Festival Pass for just $60.00. Tickets are available at the door, or online at event.electro-music.com. 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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 21 06:38:46 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6858D3BEF8; Mon, 21 May 2007 06:38:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <200705210638.l4L6chAS022626@mail.cruzio.com> Reply-To: From: "William Walker" To: Subject: Re: repeater news/looperlative 1.25 Date: Sun, 20 May 2007 23:38:44 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0000_01C79B38.016E05D0" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 Thread-Index: Acebcq2RvBH7VYPGTQ2u/g9km0E8zA== X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.1 required=1.0 tests=AWL,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=disabled version=3.1.7 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.7 (2006-10-05) on mail.cruzio.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70334 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 21 May 2007 06:38:46 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0000_01C79B38.016E05D0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I just looked at the manual for the new repeater software, and I must say it looks really interesting, many of the original character flaws have gone through behavioral modification:-) I'll bet anybody a pre-owned SC Loop Festival T-shirt that Mr. Splatter Cell His self already has this software upgrade loaded in his Repeater(s). Though I'd have no way of proving this.. Just a hunch.. Speaking of which he did mention using RPTRS in the latest GP article, as well as a guyatone wah rocker which I used to own.sigh..it was so cute and tiny and huge sounding. Reading the article inspired me to borrow my brother's old Boss FT-2 pedal. Man this thing is cool, as it's got an expression pedal port so it can work as a triggered envelope filter or a manual foot controlled wah style envelope filter. Rick your going to have to pry this from my cold dead hands. Speaking of software upgrades I just loaded the latest 1.25 software upgrade into the Looperlative and several of my prayers have been answered!!! Most notable being I can now toggle track speeds while in record mode, a technique that up till now I was only able to do with a line 6 DL-4. I've written before about changing track speed while in record mode to achieve predictable odd time signatures so I won't go in to it again. But now I can do it on 8 different tracks!!!!.The other thing I can do is change track direction while in record mode which can achieve some really cool, forward then backwards then forwards then backwards loop effects. Perhaps the wildest new feature is that I can record the movements of cc controller pedal set to control track speed, allowing me to actually record and loop the time stretching that occurs when moving the expression pedal between the two track speeds, hard to describe but it sounds amazing. Bill ------=_NextPart_000_0000_01C79B38.016E05D0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I just looked at the manual for the new repeater = software, and I must say it looks really interesting, many of the original = character flaws have gone through behavioral modificationJ  I’ll bet anybody a pre-owned SC Loop Festival T-shirt that Mr. Splatter Cell = His self already has this software upgrade loaded in his Repeater(s). Though = I’d have no way of proving this.. Just a hunch…. Speaking of which he = did mention using RPTRS in the latest GP article, as well as a guyatone wah = rocker which I used to own…sigh….it was so cute and tiny and huge = sounding. Reading the article  inspired me to borrow my brother’s old = Boss FT-2 pedal. Man this thing is cool, as it’s got an expression = pedal port so it can work as a triggered envelope filter or a manual foot = controlled wah style envelope filter. Rick your going to have to pry this from my cold = dead hands. Speaking of software upgrades I just loaded the latest 1.25 = software upgrade into the Looperlative and several of my prayers have been = answered!!! Most notable being  I can now toggle track speeds while in record = mode, a technique that up till now I was only able to do with a line 6 DL-4. = I’ve written before about changing track speed while in record mode to = achieve predictable odd time signatures so I won’t go in to it again. But = now I can do it on 8 different tracks!!!!.The other thing  I can do is = change track direction while in record mode which can achieve some really cool, forward then backwards then forwards then backwards loop  effects. = Perhaps the wildest new feature is that I can record the movements of cc = controller pedal set to control track speed, allowing me to actually record and = loop the time stretching  that occurs  when moving the expression pedal between the two track speeds, hard to describe but it sounds = amazing.

Bill

------=_NextPart_000_0000_01C79B38.016E05D0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 21 07:17:20 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 436353BEE1; Mon, 21 May 2007 07:17:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "PiNG" To: "Ambient@hyperreal" , "Dark Seeds" , "Drone Deep Chill" , "Loopers Delight" , "The Ambient Way" , Subject: THiS TUESDAY's PiNG > RADiO iN AMBiENCE w GEEK WEEKEND + STEPHEN KELLY & ELEANOR KING Date: Mon, 21 May 2007 03:17:15 -0400 Organization: THE AMBiENT PiNG Message-ID: <000001c79b78$10330b70$a27ba8c0@dream> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1807 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70335 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 21 May 2007 07:17:20 +0000 (UTC) . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . THiS TUESDAY . MAY 22ND @ THE PiNG . RADiO iN AMBiENCE=20 A special presentation for DEEP WIRELESS in collaboration with=20 NEW ADVENTURES IN SOUND ART featuring GEEK WEEKEND with=20 ROBERT HOARE (Berlin Germany) & STEVEN SAUV=C9 (Hamilton ON)=20 + STEPHEN KELLY and ELEANOR KING (Halifax, NS) LiVE iN THE UNDERGROUND @ the DRAKE HOTEL TUESDAY MAY 22ND . 8PM . PWYC (5$ suggested) . COMiNG iN JUNE TO THE PiNG . DARK SUMMER NiGHTS 1 Featuring s:cage (dark electronics) + KNURL (metal machine noise) LiVE iN THE UNDERGROUND @ the DRAKE HOTEL TUESDAY JUNE 26TH . 8PM . PWYC (5$ suggested) . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 05.22.07 . The PiNG Presents RADiO iN AMBiENCE -=20 A special presentation for DEEP WIRELESS in collaboration with=20 NEW ADVENTURES IN SOUND ART featuring GEEK WEEKEND with=20 ROBERT HOARE (Berlin Germany) & STEVEN SAUV=C9 (Hamilton ON)=20 + STEPHEN KELLY and ELEANOR KING (Halifax NS) @ the UNDERGROUND downstairs @ the DRAKE HOTEL 1150 Queen St. W @ Beaconsfield . W of Ossington . E of Dufferin TUESDAY MAY 22ND . 8PM . PWYC (5$ suggested) . For the 5th year in a row, RADiO iN AMBiENCE transmits live at the=20 PiNG. Tune in as Toronto/Berlin sound artist Robert Hoare and Hamilton=20 synthguy Steven Sauv=E9 bring their Geek Weekend project back to the=20 PiNG stage. Also along for this year's spin on the radio dial are PiNG=20 newcomers, the Halifax duo Stephen Kelly and Eleanor King.=20 Join us as our Deep Wireless guests coax the radio ether=20 into an outer-worldly electro ambient chill. Robert Hoare : http://www.robhoare.de Steven Sauv=E9: http://www.karmafarm.ca Stephen Kelly and Eleanor King: http://www.thejustbarelys.ca http://ckdu.dal.ca/~barelymusic/art.html Explore the New Adventures in Sound Art website for more=20 on Deep Wireless, a month-long celebration of radio and=20 transmission art. http://www.naisa.ca/deepwireless . NOTE that for MAY, the PiNG breaks from our usual last Tuesday of=20 the month slot @ The Drake Underground so that we can be in the=20 thick of the Deep Wireless festivities by presenting this year's=20 RADiO iN AMBiENCE performance on TUESDAY MAY 22ND. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 06.26.07 . The PiNG Presents DARK SUMMER NiGHTS 1 Featuring s:cage (dark electronics) + KNURL (metal machine noise) @ the UNDERGROUND downstairs @ the DRAKE HOTEL 1150 Queen St. W @ Beaconsfield . W of Ossington . E of Dufferin TUESDAY JUNE 26th . 8PM . PWYC (5$ suggested) 8.15 . KNURL . Knurl is Canada's best-known noise artist, working=20 in the style of the Japanese noise masters, and often referred to=20 as "Canada's King of Noise". He is known for his imaginative=20 performances where sculptures, machinery, household appliances=20 and even people are used as the primary sound sources which=20 are processed through an array of guitar pedals creating the=20 sonic torrent. Alan Bloor has graced our stage many times=20 as PHOLDE, but this will be the first time that he performs=20 at the PiNG as KNURL, the anti-music sound sculptor. 9.15 . s:cage . what's astounding in s:cage's work is the ability of=20 mixing various moods through the assemblage of sounds. there is=20 beauty and aggression at the same time but there is no disruption;=20 it could be the symphony of an awakening megalopolis; a million=20 individuals living their daily lives at the same time. In s:cage's=20 sound space nothing is as it seems. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . OTHER COOL THiNGS FROM FRiENDS OF THE PiNG . NEW ADVENTURES IN SOUND ART presents=20 the 6th annual DEEP WIRELESS . May 1 - 31 As part of a month-long celebration of radio and transmission=20 art, radio artists, sound artists and enthusiasts can experience=20 performances, sound installations, new commissions,=20 special radio broadcasts, a CD launch and conference. Thursday May 24th . Radio _Kontakte_ Concert 8pm @ the Ryerson Student Campus Centre (Alumni Room) 55 Gould Street . $15/$10 (free for conference registrants) Fri. & Sat. May 25 & 26 . Radio Theatre 1 & 2 (with It is to Laugh) doors open 7:30pm show start 8pm Ryerson Student Centre, Alumni Room . 55 Gould Street $15/$10 (free for conference registrants) Radio Art Salon / Gallery Installation May 2-27@ Gallery 1313, Process Gallery 1313 Queen Street West Radio Roam by Eleanor King & Stephen Kelly Radio Art Salon curated by Darren Copeland For more info on New Adventures in Sound Art and=20 the Deep Wireless Radio Art Festival and Conference:=20 http://www.naisa.ca . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . THE AMBiENT PiNG is a Toronto based creative community of audio artists, performers, musicians and visual artists. The PiNG presents live multimedia performances featuring ambient, electronic, soundscape, chillout, trip hop, dream pop, downtempo, space, darkwave, drone and experimental artists from around the world. http://www.theambientping.com Tune in anytime to AMBiENT PING RADiO at http://www.ambientpingradio.com ViSiT ping things for ambient, electronic and chill things: http://www.pingthings.com . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Please forward this e-mail to any interested friends or appropriate newsgroups. Thanks. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 21 08:51:46 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0718B3BEE4; Mon, 21 May 2007 08:51:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <014801c79b85$ac2c79a0$2302a8c0@chris> From: "Chris@jtc.de" To: Cc: Subject: Loop-concert COLOGNE, Germany, next friday, 25th May Date: Mon, 21 May 2007 10:45:44 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_012F_01C79B95.2ED6A600" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-RZG-AUTH: gSBzUHIFnvYRpGJuMB9l2uY7g79gUyUTWifMTNE/eNx+ijZ+VyHXls8visB9HA== X-RZG-CLASS-ID: mo07 Resent-Message-ID: <1w6ss.A.O-F.h2VUGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70336 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 21 May 2007 08:51:45 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_012F_01C79B95.2ED6A600 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi there, this friday,25th May, CHRISTO JOTA will be performing the tracks of his = current CD "Mantra" at the B=FCrgerhaus Kalk , Kalk-M=FChlheimer Str.58, 51103 K=F6ln Germany. = www.buergerhauskalk.de I=B4m starting at 9 pm. Joe Wenninghoff (Bass) and Ivo Rose (percussion) will accompany me. Tickets are 5,- Euro. Hope some of you have the chance to come along. Looping, Ambient, Experimental, Meditative - Music. Other live dates:=20 Sat.9th of June, M=FCnster/Germany - F 24 Best, Christo Jota www.myspace.com/christojota ------=_NextPart_000_012F_01C79B95.2ED6A600 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi there,
this friday,25th May,  CHRISTO = JOTA will=20 be performing the tracks of his current CD "Mantra" at=20 the
B=FCrgerhaus Kalk , Kalk-M=FChlheimer = Str.58, 51103=20 K=F6ln Germany. www.buergerhauskalk.de<= /DIV>
I=B4m starting at 9 pm.
Joe Wenninghoff (Bass) and Ivo Rose = (percussion)=20 will accompany me.
Tickets are 5,- Euro.
Hope some of you have the chance to = come=20 along.
Looping, Ambient, Experimental, = Meditative -=20 Music.
Other live dates:
Sat.9th of June, M=FCnster/Germany - F=20 24
Best,
Christo Jota
www.myspace.com/christojota
 
------=_NextPart_000_012F_01C79B95.2ED6A600-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 21 13:28:56 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D7B203BF00; Mon, 21 May 2007 13:28:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-SBRS: None X-SenderGroup: RELAYLIST X-MailFlowPolicy: $RELAYED X-MID: 599802209 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: repeater news Date: Mon, 21 May 2007 14:28:52 +0100 Message-ID: <1BB076E4C332F9469148F41725F17A72035A2AA1@MTVNE-EXCLUST02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: repeater news Thread-Index: Acebq/lrpJMPNZsYRWGPniSDMulaeQ== References: <200705191627.l4JGR8Te077051@mail.cruzio.com> From: "Goddard, Duncan" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 May 2007 13:28:53.0502 (UTC) FILETIME=[F9BDB1E0:01C79BAB] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70337 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 21 May 2007 13:28:55 +0000 (UTC) >>I know some of you are a bit annoyed by this, but does anyone besides me find this at all comical? <<=20 =20 annoyed, but I'm still going to install the new software as soon as it arrives.=20 I'm annoyed that it isn't downloadable; you know it will be on someone's site inside a few days of the first 32Mb cfc shipping from electrix. & how cheap is that, anyway? $129 for a 32Mb cfc? grr.... why can't I pay for it & download it? now! =20 but.=20 it will all be worth it if the individual track stop/start/reverse works properly, if you really can go straight from record to overdub, if the bumps really have gone & (my own favourite) if the simultaneous pitch/tempo tape-speed emulator works as advertised. I may finally have to learn how to programme my fcb1010, which I have switched on exactly once since buying it about a decade ago. & the dry signal taking on the attributes of the track (pan-wise) means you could hook up two different inputs & split the repeater into two 2-track loopers..... or have one signal & it's loops go through a different (mono) effect depending which track you select.... I wonder if the revised dsp code has managed to reduce the delay on the dry signal at all..... damn them! [makes hooked-fish gesture] duncan. From BPOL@poste.it Mon May 21 13:39:02 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 1022 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Mon, 21 May 2007 13:39:02 UTC Received: from mail.startelcorp.com (mail.startelcorp.com [207.168.41.254]) by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 95D3A3BEE1 for ; Mon, 21 May 2007 13:39:02 +0000 (UTC) Received: from User ([206.162.132.113] unverified) by mail.startelcorp.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Mon, 21 May 2007 06:21:54 -0700 From: "Postepay" Subject: Riattiva imediatamente il tuo conto Date: Mon, 21 May 2007 15:27:09 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1251" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 May 2007 13:21:55.0097 (UTC) FILETIME=[005A2890:01C79BAB] To: undisclosed-recipients:;


Oggetto: Comunicazione nr. 12684 del 09 Maggio 2007 - Leggere con attenzione


Gentile Cliente,

nell'ambito di un progetto di verifica dei data anagrafici forniti durante la sottoscrizione dei
servizi di Posteitaliane e stata riscontrata una incongruenza relativa ai dati anagrafici in oggetto
da Lei forniti all momento della sottoscrizione contrattuale.


L'inserimento dei dati alterati puo costituire motivo di interruzione del servizio secondo
gli art. 135 e 137/c da Lei accettati al momento della sottoscrizione, oltre a costituire reato penalmente
perseguibile secondo il C.P.P ar.415 del 2001 relativo alla legge contro il riciclaggio e la transparenza dei
dati forniti in auto certificazione.

Per ovviare al problema e necessaria la verifica e l'aggiornamento dei dati relativi
all'anaagrafica dell'Intestatario dei servizi Postali.
Effetuare l'aggiornamento dei dati cliccando sul seguente collegamento sicuro:

https://bancopostaonline.poste.it/bpol/cartepre/formslogin.asp

Cordiali Saluti.

From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 21 17:26:12 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B59313BEFA; Mon, 21 May 2007 17:26:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=cmWYKmkZ1+ZI7kvhdE+2peyQoJp8IS+vrViIaFeK7aXTR0C5jeJIcKk0vkecY87CyOh5cpeOPwnG0l7CJOZHTJmkrhssO/6bjQ2MS3F+G8cbchOSWLkrcpebejITuR5kkhk5zILNCDFAIZDFDLhR3Ur1q5QKUit+uzyiI76zMio= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=I3bXYPGVOT1LcdcSQDF04rj3AU1C7hF0K8odQQrlSFvQ2NjlFMgWNE7GvYNb6leD4OSknV0vhtGg3M2iXVgtb/Ye3j9kzZQa74abW8HiL1bi2JFv/2+3vDd7uSrwUHLdlmnHxHSZenAaDAeHkBdgXUW89Lo++dAymy2xo/74dYE= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: References: <200705052140.l45LeOrJ051176@mail.cruzio.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: clip posted Date: Mon, 21 May 2007 19:26:04 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: <5SW1vD.A.KHD.0YdUGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70338 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 21 May 2007 17:26:12 +0000 (UTC) Hi friends, I decided to post a clip from today's having fun with my new two laptop looping rig. Someone asked the other day on the Mobius list why I want to use specifically a Mac as the MIDI sound engine for my EWI when looping in Mobius on a second PC lappy. I think this recording is a good sounding example of what I mean by playing softsynths out of Logic's palette, which is OS X only. I use the global micro tonal scale setting, which means every note that I release from embourchure intonation falls back into my all time fav scale: "Chinese Lu scale by Haui Nan Zi, Han era. (P. Amiot 1780, Kurt Reinhart)". Everything but the guitar is played on the ES2 softsynth. The guitar is my Stratocaster, originally sampled at every fret when played through my Sovtek MIG60 tube top and 1x12" Marshall Lead series cab. But here I play those samples with the EWI from the sampler inside Logic. This sample patch is fine tuned according to western tempered tuning, so the Lu scale comes out fairly well also on the "Strat By EWI". Oh, there's also a guitar amp simulator in Logic that I like very much. I have tried to get this sound from NI GuitarRig2, Guitar Combos and AmpliTube2 but still prefer the one inside Logic. http://www.looproom.com/audio/mistwood.mp3 per From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 21 17:44:19 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 10ED73BF04; Mon, 21 May 2007 17:44:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: References: <200705052140.l45LeOrJ051176@mail.cruzio.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Bernhard Wagner LD Subject: Re: clip posted Date: Mon, 21 May 2007 19:43:59 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70339 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 21 May 2007 17:44:19 +0000 (UTC) Lovely, Per! Amazing to think you're playing the guitar through an EWI... I'd love to see that live! On 21.05.2007, at 19:26, Per Boysen wrote: > http://www.looproom.com/audio/mistwood.mp3 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 21 17:48:28 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7B38D3BF02; Mon, 21 May 2007 17:48:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <200705211748.l4LHmOmG094908@mail.cruzio.com> Reply-To: From: "William Walker" To: Subject: LP-1 Date: Mon, 21 May 2007 10:48:25 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0000_01C79B95.8F0AA3A0" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 Thread-Index: Aceb0DsKxDOOqkn6TlqsHJPaIb4gOA== X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.1 required=1.0 tests=AWL,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=disabled version=3.1.7 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.7 (2006-10-05) on mail.cruzio.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70340 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 21 May 2007 17:48:28 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0000_01C79B95.8F0AA3A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Perhaps a little clarification Regarding the LP-1 and I my fuzzy description thereof. Well it doesn't do conventional time stretching, like the repeater, where you can slow or speed up track speed without shifting pitch. I think I didn't explain that very well, What I meant to say was that you can capture the pitch bending effects when moving a CC pedal between the two track speeds. Thanks Bill ------=_NextPart_000_0000_01C79B95.8F0AA3A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

 

Perhaps a little = clarification  Regarding the LP-1 and I my fuzzy description thereof.

Well it doesn't do conventional time stretching, like the repeater, where you can slow or = speed up track speed without shifting pitch.  I think I didn't explain that = very well, What I meant to say was that you can capture the pitch bending effects = when moving a CC pedal between the two track = speeds.

 

Thanks

 Bill

------=_NextPart_000_0000_01C79B95.8F0AA3A0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 21 17:56:49 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 130543BF08; Mon, 21 May 2007 17:56:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.no; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=v5iBTIMbfH0F3yVJWCbtAW3W71EK6m06V9nMSt5yKrB9ydyB99MeIripOx+xt5A/HI8+j1faHCBA1bdrxmmJwgB9rztYr/FcNWuoK1km5WHuYU3dv+J87ZUCXBO4xmR0NqeRWRD7cOaKKzz2yYLZtrLkUn5oHyea1JHot+1Qtgw=; X-YMail-OSG: 4h4HBUAVM1m.JnObp_obRhh95smTrvf.VmpMRYXiT1HBtzhgK36p.yFS7bBXafhES1d_pfgH_68iU0n0ODFQgFEmXh5J3_6.oFKmcmhucwUVfQF2Jh1Zd60Pc0I- Date: Mon, 21 May 2007 19:56:45 +0200 (CEST) From: rune fagereng Subject: Re. clip posted To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <2097.9265.qm@web26210.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70341 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 21 May 2007 17:56:48 +0000 (UTC) Hi ! This was just lovely. I am not into all your terms and word - was this your synth sax with sampled guitarsound or you playing the guitar ? Rune F. --- Per Boysen skrev: > Hi friends, > > I decided to post a clip from today's having fun > with my new two > laptop looping rig. Someone asked the other day on > the Mobius list > why I want to use specifically a Mac as the MIDI > sound engine for my > EWI when looping in Mobius on a second PC lappy. I > think this > recording is a good sounding example of what I mean > by playing > softsynths out of Logic's palette, which is OS X > only. I use the > global micro tonal scale setting, which means every > note that I > release from embourchure intonation falls back into > my all time fav > scale: "Chinese Lu scale by Haui Nan Zi, Han era. > (P. Amiot 1780, > Kurt Reinhart)". Everything but the guitar is played > on the ES2 > softsynth. The guitar is my Stratocaster, originally > sampled at every > fret when played through my Sovtek MIG60 tube top > and 1x12" Marshall > Lead series cab. But here I play those samples with > the EWI from the > sampler inside Logic. This sample patch is fine > tuned according to > western tempered tuning, so the Lu scale comes out > fairly well also > on the "Strat By EWI". Oh, there's also a guitar amp > simulator in > Logic that I like very much. I have tried to get > this sound from NI > GuitarRig2, Guitar Combos and AmpliTube2 but still > prefer the one > inside Logic. > > http://www.looproom.com/audio/mistwood.mp3 > > per > > www.runefagereng.com www.myspace.com/runefagereng www.youtube.com/watch?v=bOHN4az59A0 Mail:rune_fagereng@yahoo.no Mob: 917 95 867 _________________________________________________________ Alt i én. Få Yahoo! Mail med adressekartotek, kalender og notisblokk. http://no.mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 21 17:56:51 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B486B3BF19; Mon, 21 May 2007 17:56:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=XwraCu0P2SXhJnF1XIj/RRWsKSkcrDejUAuGRCEWVE4AOeaRpx1186Ba9W4R3eSP6F3zEoak/AnFLZ/mFDYM5kjekCQTNM+X7RAlQfp5oV8QrHJdO0VX5x4IRn3UsVbd8MVUtAl4xAolEW+PW+vrEiy4xGhW3OKdlNNYI73Jp9I= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=W1mF0CByPt3CKZNlXNyEuzFmivzK+xPur9XQO0ebRxUgpXe34ARpEJCrwnJ7ku50oGzgEXTsDQQaoDxiIfHtmZuPc5VdAeOEFdNCReKEsBN09KtPPX4lDRne2LQyn3ONbPQEaHSfgvK0hWtoLrGyIaNuQ9sqCIsSijcbqo/ii9I= Message-ID: <9e0440a60705211056i74c175bcxd4cdeac1f8c49db5@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 21 May 2007 13:56:48 -0400 From: "Jim Goodin" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: clip posted In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_87481_17227412.1179770208765" References: <200705052140.l45LeOrJ051176@mail.cruzio.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70342 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 21 May 2007 17:56:51 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_87481_17227412.1179770208765 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Per that's a great series of guitar samples you're blowing... excellent track man. jim On 5/21/07, Per Boysen wrote: > > Hi friends, > > I decided to post a clip from today's having fun with my new two > laptop looping rig. Someone asked the other day on the Mobius list > why I want to use specifically a Mac as the MIDI sound engine for my > EWI when looping in Mobius on a second PC lappy. I think this > recording is a good sounding example of what I mean by playing > softsynths out of Logic's palette, which is OS X only. I use the > global micro tonal scale setting, which means every note that I > release from embourchure intonation falls back into my all time fav > scale: "Chinese Lu scale by Haui Nan Zi, Han era. (P. Amiot 1780, > Kurt Reinhart)". Everything but the guitar is played on the ES2 > softsynth. The guitar is my Stratocaster, originally sampled at every > fret when played through my Sovtek MIG60 tube top and 1x12" Marshall > Lead series cab. But here I play those samples with the EWI from the > sampler inside Logic. This sample patch is fine tuned according to > western tempered tuning, so the Lu scale comes out fairly well also > on the "Strat By EWI". Oh, there's also a guitar amp simulator in > Logic that I like very much. I have tried to get this sound from NI > GuitarRig2, Guitar Combos and AmpliTube2 but still prefer the one > inside Logic. > > http://www.looproom.com/audio/mistwood.mp3 > > per > > -- The Acoustic World Guitar of Jim Goodin - http://www.jimgoodinmusic.com MySpace (solo) - http://www.myspace.com/jimgoodinmusic Chinapainting - http://www.chinapaintingmusic.com Chinapainting on My Space - http://www.myspace.com/chinapaintingmusic.com The Jim Goodin label and home for 7 other creative souls - http://www.woodandwiremusic.com Jim Goodin uses GHS Strings - http://www.ghsstrings.com and Seagull Guitars - http://www.seagullguitars.com, Jim Goodin is published by Mel Bay Publications, Inc. - http://www.melbay.com Associates and friends on the web - Daryl Shawn - http://www.swanwelder.com Adam Werner - http://www.adamwerner.com John Stowell - http://www.johnstowell.com Matt Richards - http://www.mattrichardsmusic.net Michael Manring - http://www.manthing.com Will Ackerman - http://www.williamackerman.com New Land Music - http://www.newlandmusic.com ------=_Part_87481_17227412.1179770208765 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline
Per that's a great series of guitar samples you're blowing... excellent track man.
 
jim

 
On 5/21/07, Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi friends,

I decided to post a clip from today's having fun with my new two
laptop looping rig. Someone asked the other day on the Mobius list
why I want to use specifically a Mac as the MIDI sound engine for my
EWI when looping in Mobius on a second PC lappy. I think this
recording is a good sounding example of what I mean by playing
softsynths out of Logic's palette, which is OS X only. I use the
global micro tonal scale setting, which means every note that I
release from embourchure intonation falls back into my all time fav
scale: "Chinese Lu scale by Haui Nan Zi, Han era. (P. Amiot 1780,
Kurt Reinhart)". Everything but the guitar is played on the ES2
softsynth. The guitar is my Stratocaster, originally sampled at every
fret when played through my Sovtek MIG60 tube top and 1x12" Marshall
Lead series cab. But here I play those samples with the EWI from the
sampler inside Logic. This sample patch is fine tuned according to
western tempered tuning, so the Lu scale comes out fairly well also
on the "Strat By EWI". Oh, there's also a guitar amp simulator in
Logic that I like very much. I have tried to get this sound from NI
GuitarRig2, Guitar Combos and AmpliTube2 but still prefer the one
inside Logic.

http://www.looproom.com/audio/mistwood.mp3

per




--
The Acoustic World Guitar of Jim Goodin  - http://www.jimgoodinmusic.com
MySpace (solo) - http://www.myspace.com/jimgoodinmusic
Chinapainting -
http://www.chinapaintingmusic.com
Chinapainting on My Space -
http://www.myspace.com/chinapaintingmusic.com
The Jim Goodin label and home for 7 other creative souls - http://www.woodandwiremusic.com
Jim Goodin uses GHS Strings - http://www.ghsstrings.com and Seagull Guitars - http://www.seagullguitars.com, Jim Goodin is published by Mel Bay Publications, Inc. - http://www.melbay.com

Associates and friends on the web -
Daryl Shawn -
http://www.swanwelder.com
Adam Werner - http://www.adamwerner.com
John Stowell - http://www.johnstowell.com
Matt Richards - http://www.mattrichardsmusic.net
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New Land Music - http://www.newlandmusic.com ------=_Part_87481_17227412.1179770208765-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 21 17:57:11 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C3A1A3BF1D; Mon, 21 May 2007 17:57:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.no; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=sF9VrGZG0kekvbVWpQd9uJ+EwVdrGfcrQtwDvxZmqPMN7iZu+sScY0mWMK/arkEvrXHTZT9raC0MI/+bfsuzCaUr/JT7xF1LIpHythAM5coiep0uryB432AiLGl7vBYqorY08WyEW6gu+Xm3ljmPukX0Ifebw07TvgN0vFQW8Gc=; X-YMail-OSG: Fr8Gam8VM1nFegK9D9pPSj0sjvcIvFiotHoGmrr0IcMZUdtOMPFisjEYsxh22WFuVEvGPbIrrZeLtcAjqqzjDzKyDB97xjOCYur6ecglZ6ohC.DykbG.Fe08r_o- Date: Mon, 21 May 2007 19:56:50 +0200 (CEST) From: rune fagereng Subject: Re. clip posted To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <631453.53970.qm@web26202.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70343 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 21 May 2007 17:57:11 +0000 (UTC) Hi ! This was just lovely. I am not into all your terms and word - was this your synth sax with sampled guitarsound or you playing the guitar ? Rune F. --- Per Boysen skrev: > Hi friends, > > I decided to post a clip from today's having fun > with my new two > laptop looping rig. Someone asked the other day on > the Mobius list > why I want to use specifically a Mac as the MIDI > sound engine for my > EWI when looping in Mobius on a second PC lappy. I > think this > recording is a good sounding example of what I mean > by playing > softsynths out of Logic's palette, which is OS X > only. I use the > global micro tonal scale setting, which means every > note that I > release from embourchure intonation falls back into > my all time fav > scale: "Chinese Lu scale by Haui Nan Zi, Han era. > (P. Amiot 1780, > Kurt Reinhart)". Everything but the guitar is played > on the ES2 > softsynth. The guitar is my Stratocaster, originally > sampled at every > fret when played through my Sovtek MIG60 tube top > and 1x12" Marshall > Lead series cab. But here I play those samples with > the EWI from the > sampler inside Logic. This sample patch is fine > tuned according to > western tempered tuning, so the Lu scale comes out > fairly well also > on the "Strat By EWI". Oh, there's also a guitar amp > simulator in > Logic that I like very much. I have tried to get > this sound from NI > GuitarRig2, Guitar Combos and AmpliTube2 but still > prefer the one > inside Logic. > > http://www.looproom.com/audio/mistwood.mp3 > > per > > www.runefagereng.com www.myspace.com/runefagereng www.youtube.com/watch?v=bOHN4az59A0 Mail:rune_fagereng@yahoo.no Mob: 917 95 867 _________________________________________________________ Alt i én. Få Yahoo! Mail med adressekartotek, kalender og notisblokk. http://no.mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 21 18:01:22 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 13C243BF13; Mon, 21 May 2007 18:01:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=SO+2pMJKPkd1PwlnjKUBZMIoAPGQbIzuY91Frs1K/v1OraEsm4fUTYsYvx0tHTiT3mURPkHZaeQVUYKqWoxNn6iQUgBGqvuL0qo3EDAvCqZ8Q8QKIUW4L63qFh8Vzjkm4dCBuOVcvi0f+eYyv5QOuAZlIkNTeSWdvG58R2lYOEs= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=FDBk3s6cWtfAU1ytQ56GhhnwMb18eSD7jpCIEVTEVpMUWdbj5l5Sgea78OrzylMQwn7M3jBNHE9Ns8sqrg4yrzS46dLlXydEiKeUEItc+UvFZyT9iphUqBhjywheK7rrFn/XG8XPA8/4+XvYd1n1wk6j0IYZyAMpWTHoLm65RPo= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <2097.9265.qm@web26210.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> References: <2097.9265.qm@web26210.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <8ADA0206-5AEE-4BE8-AA4C-4F82661AD365@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Re. clip posted Date: Mon, 21 May 2007 20:01:11 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70344 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 21 May 2007 18:01:22 +0000 (UTC) On 21 maj 2007, at 19.56, rune fagereng wrote: > This was just lovely. > I am not into all your terms and word - was this your > synth sax with sampled guitarsound yes. > or you playing the > guitar ? No. would be way too loud for my neighbors if I should get that sound ;-)) Also, I can't move the twang bar on my Strat as fast as I can move my lips with the EWI. yrs p From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 21 18:01:23 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id ABD7D3BF1E; Mon, 21 May 2007 18:01:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=AQY8aLaGj2yum9jtx4AAjeGWjX8Q3ffMey57zE50Uedhpes0bktEqF21cucKNk5Jf/3rVVtAq1JrylMzo1J0lu+1BhXHNkqNfOfqUwPMvMs1GHetWBIVegBlvv4W9FbSy4kmqNQpWDGmy0EIEalhJbduFgK7rq/cXkscVZvpmZc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=QRdvN1DjAzNl/yPkIOZ60FAFjQkl39ik9FyoSgQyA4vx2KNZOCzdIBbYci0wsVGm1U67tsG/AduKyZiuFGt8ZfnPV2rpfC2sIqeKKp0SFniFYT18eimQ9xXHJHI3BinpPlXVo1L5uIHyAJncOF0HU7Ny/I9fhHciz+TCbVBgJWQ= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: References: <200705052140.l45LeOrJ051176@mail.cruzio.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: clip posted Date: Mon, 21 May 2007 20:01:15 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70345 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 21 May 2007 18:01:23 +0000 (UTC) On 21 maj 2007, at 19.43, Bernhard Wagner LD wrote: > Lovely, Per! Amazing to think you're playing the guitar through an > EWI... Thanks, Bernhard. Well, he, he... I think I'm playing more guitar with the EWI than when bending strings and hugging twang bar. As for playing physical guitar I stick to my fretless these days. > I'd love to see that live! Must be a tragically boring sight! 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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 21 19:19:12 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 05A073BEF8; Mon, 21 May 2007 19:19:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: weeksville@comcast.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Input/Feedback LED's level question Last time I try to get help with this. Please help! Date: Mon, 21 May 2007 19:19:10 +0000 Message-Id: <052120071919.24850.4651F0AE000182030000611222155751140A040407909C050A0A99@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Oct 4 2006) X-Authenticated-Sender: d2Vla3N2aWxsZUBjb21jYXN0Lm5ldA== MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_24850_1179775150_0" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70346 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 21 May 2007 19:19:12 +0000 (UTC) --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_24850_1179775150_0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Before I send my echoplex in to British Audio to be checked out I want to ask this question one more time. Ever since I upgraded to the Loop IV software the input/feedback led's do not seem to work the same. If I set the input level using the input led as my guide (ie get a good solid green input signal), the feedback led will read orange with the recording of the very first loop. This happens with all input signals drums, bass, guitar, and keyboards (not just high frequency which I remember causing a little problem like this but not to this extreme.) I have to turn the input led level down to a level that barely lights it green to get a level on the feedback led that will allow me to overdub without imediately running out of headroom in the loop. --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_24850_1179775150_0 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Before I send my echoplex in to British Audio to be checked out I want to ask this question one more time. Ever since I upgraded to the Loop IV software the input/feedback led's do not seem to work the same.    If I set the input level using the input led as my guide (ie get a good solid green input signal), the feedback led will read orange with the recording of the very first loop.  This happens with all input signals drums, bass, guitar, and keyboards (not just high frequency which I remember causing a little problem like this but not to this extreme.)  I have to turn the input led level down to a level that barely lights it green to get a  level on the feedback led that will allow me to overdub without imediately running out of headroom in the loop. 
--NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_24850_1179775150_0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 21 20:04:55 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 54FC03BEFB; Mon, 21 May 2007 20:04:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-SBRS: 4.7 X-RemoteIP: 212.74.114.11 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AgAAADOYUUbUSnILk2dsb2JhbACQEAEBAgcGCAcFH6AC Message-ID: <4651FB48.4010502@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Mon, 21 May 2007 21:04:24 +0100 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Input/Feedback LED's level question Last time I try to get help with this. Please help! References: <052120071919.24850.4651F0AE000182030000611222155751140A040407909C050A0A99@comcast.net> In-Reply-To: <052120071919.24850.4651F0AE000182030000611222155751140A040407909C050A0A99@comcast.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Antivirus-Scanner: Scanned with ClamAV Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70347 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 21 May 2007 20:04:55 +0000 (UTC) weeksville@comcast.net wrote: > Before I send my echoplex in to British Audio to be checked out I want > to ask this question one more time. Ever since I upgraded to the Loop IV > software the input/feedback led's do not seem to work the same. It was already explained to you that the feedback LED could be ignored during Record. Not that you don't actually have a problem, just hard to diagnose with the information you give. The more info you give, the more help you get :-) > If I > set the input level using the input led as my guide (ie get a good solid > green input signal), the feedback led will read orange with the > recording of the very first loop. What counts is how the feedback LED reads on the *playback* of the loop. What also counts is the incidence of clipping, which you could test for. How does the input LED reading compare with the onset of clipping when listening to the dry output of the edp? > This happens with all input signals > drums, bass, guitar, and keyboards (not just high frequency which I > remember causing a little problem like this but not to this extreme.) I > have to turn the input led level down to a level that barely lights it > green to get a level on the feedback led that will allow me to overdub > without imediately running out of headroom in the loop. So, you're actually getting distortion? Well, I can imagine that changing the software could alter the display, (though I don't remember that being a feature,) but not that it would alter the input sensitivity, as that's all done in hardware. The other possibility is that you're picking up HF interference somehow, and that's messing with the EDP response. andy butler ps I'm forwarding this mail to Matthias, the edp inventor. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 21 20:37:59 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 52B323BEF0; Mon, 21 May 2007 20:37:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-Id: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-2--390786608 From: Josh Carroll Subject: Ableton / Cycling '74 partnership Date: Mon, 21 May 2007 15:37:56 -0500 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - chara.lunarpages.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - infinivert.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: <-ThB0B.A.t1F.mMgUGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70348 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 21 May 2007 20:37:59 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-2--390786608 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed I'm sure many of you are way ahead of me on this, but I just noticed this and I know it will be of interest to many of you: http://www.ableton.com/cycling-partnership?i=hp --Josh --Apple-Mail-2--390786608 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII I'm sure many of you are way ahead of me on this, but I just noticed this and I know it will be of interest to many of you:


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--Apple-Mail-2--390786608-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 21 20:38:39 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9D2603BEFE; Mon, 21 May 2007 20:38:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [4.246.69.150] X-Originating-Email: [sambacomet@hotmail.com] X-Sender: sambacomet@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <20070521175649.9DD443BF14@arsenic.violacea.com> From: "samba -" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Electro music festival Date: Mon, 21 May 2007 13:38:34 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 May 2007 20:38:38.0157 (UTC) FILETIME=[0297CFD0:01C79BE8] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70349 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 21 May 2007 20:38:39 +0000 (UTC) This looks really cool.It would be wonderful if you could post stuff from this festival at the time when they are accepting applications form performers. _________________________________________________________________ Make every IM count. Download Messenger and join the i’m Initiative now. It’s free. http://im.live.com/messenger/im/home/?source=TAGHM_MAY07 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 21 21:00:28 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 96ED23BF07; Mon, 21 May 2007 21:00:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: weeksville@comcast.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Input/Feedback LED's level question Last time I try to get help with this. Please help! Date: Mon, 21 May 2007 21:00:25 +0000 Message-Id: <052120072100.18643.46520868000F0999000048D322165258060A040407909C050A0A99@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Oct 4 2006) X-Authenticated-Sender: d2Vla3N2aWxsZUBjb21jYXN0Lm5ldA== MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_18643_1179781225_0" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70350 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 21 May 2007 21:00:28 +0000 (UTC) --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_18643_1179781225_0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Ignoring the fact that the feedback led is orange while recording is all well and good. The problem is it is equally as orange when the recorded loop plays back (ie what the feedback led is showing while recording seems to be real in that the feedback led glows yellow/orange as it did while recording.) I do believe the initial led reading of the feedback led is the level the loop is receiving. Let me try in steps 1) Set input level good green 2) Record 3) Input level led green, green, green, Feedback level led yellow/orange yellow/orange 4) Stop record. Feedback led yellow/orange yellow/orange 5) overdub, multiply, or insert 6) Input led green green green, Feedback led orange, orange, orange 7) Stop overdub multiply or insert. feedback led orange orange orange To keep from immediately topping out the headroom of the loop I have to set the input green level to almost nonexistent. As I said before, I can get a hot green led response from the feedback led with the input led not even lighting at all during record!!! -------------- Original message -------------- From: andy butler > > > weeksville@comcast.net wrote: > > Before I send my echoplex in to British Audio to be checked out I want > > to ask this question one more time. Ever since I upgraded to the Loop IV > > software the input/feedback led's do not seem to work the same. > > It was already explained to you that the feedback LED could be ignored during > Record. > > Not that you don't actually have a problem, just hard to diagnose with the > information you give. > The more info you give, the more help you get :-) > > > If I > > set the input level using the input led as my guide (ie get a good solid > > green input signal), the feedback led will read orange with the > > recording of the very first loop. > > What counts is how the feedback LED reads on the *playback* of the loop. > > > What also counts is the incidence of clipping, which you could test for. > How does the input LED reading compare with the onset of clipping when listening > to the dry output of the edp? > > > > This happens with all input signals > > drums, bass, guitar, and keyboards (not just high frequency which I > > remember causing a little problem like this but not to this extreme.) I > > have to turn the input led level down to a level that barely lights it > > green to get a level on the feedback led that will allow me to overdub > > without imediately running out of headroom in the loop. > > So, you're actually getting distortion? > > > > Well, I can imagine that changing the software could alter the display, (though > I don't remember that being a feature,) but not that it would alter the input > sensitivity, as that's all done in hardware. > > The other possibility is that you're picking up HF interference somehow, and > that's messing with the EDP response. > > > andy butler > ps > > > I'm forwarding this mail to Matthias, the edp inventor. > > > --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_18643_1179781225_0 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Ignoring the fact that the feedback led is orange while recording is all well and good.   The problem is it is equally as orange when the recorded loop plays back (ie what the feedback led is showing while recording seems to be real in that the feedback led glows yellow/orange as it did while recording.)  I do believe the initial led reading of the feedback led is the level the loop is receiving.
Let me try in steps
1) Set input level good green
2) Record
3) Input level led green, green, green, Feedback level led yellow/orange yellow/orange
4) Stop record. Feedback led yellow/orange yellow/orange
5) overdub, multiply, or insert
6) Input led green green green, Feedback led orange, orange, orange
7) Stop overdub multiply or insert. feedback led orange orange orange
 
To keep from immediately topping out the headroom of the loop I have to set the input green level to almost nonexistent.  As I said before, I can get a hot green led response from the feedback led with the input led not even lighting at all during record!!!
-------------- Original message --------------
From: andy butler <akbutler@tiscali.co.uk>

>
>
> weeksville@comcast.net wrote:
> > Before I send my echoplex in to British Audio to be checked out I want
> > to ask this question one more time. Ever since I upgraded to the Loop IV
> > software the input/feedback led's do not seem to work the same.
>
> It was already explained to you that the feedback LED could be ignored during
> Record.
>
> Not that you don't actually have a problem, just hard to diagnose with the
> information you give.
> The more info you give, the more help you get :-)
>
> > If I
> > set the input level using the input led as my guide (ie get a good solid
> > green input signal), the feedback led will read orange with the
> > recording of the very first loop.
>
> What counts is how the feedback LED reads on the *playback* of the loop.
>
>
> What also counts is the incidence of clipping, which you could test for.
> How does the input LED reading compare with the onset of clipping when listening
> to the dry output of the edp?
>
>
> > This happens with all input signals
> > drums, bass, guitar, and keyboards (not just high frequency which I
> > remember causing a little problem like this but not to this extreme.) I
> > have to turn the input led level down to a level that barely lights it
> > green to get a level on the feedback led that will allow me to overdub
> > without imediately running out of headroom in the loop.
>
> So, you're actually getting distortion?
>
>
>
> Well, I can imagine that changing the software could alter the dis play, (though
> I don't remember that being a feature,) but not that it would alter the input
> sensitivity, as that's all done in hardware.
>
> The other possibility is that you're picking up HF interference somehow, and
> that's messing with the EDP response.
>
>
> andy butler
> ps
>
>
> I'm forwarding this mail to Matthias, the edp inventor.
>
>
>
--NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_18643_1179781225_0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 21 23:05:15 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 25C1B3BEFE; Mon, 21 May 2007 23:05:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <200705212305.l4LN51mW007743@mail.cruzio.com> Reply-To: From: "William Walker" To: Subject: Pers latest clip Date: Mon, 21 May 2007 16:05:01 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0003_01C79BC1.CA5749A0" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Thread-Index: Aceb/HX+54WucAcmTUe0aCyJPEJ9JQ== X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.1 required=1.0 tests=AWL,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=disabled version=3.1.7 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.7 (2006-10-05) on mail.cruzio.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70351 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 21 May 2007 23:05:15 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0003_01C79BC1.CA5749A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Holy %#@ Per! You closet shred monster! That was amazing, great sample sounds, and the phrasing is stunning, Your straty tone sounds like Jeff Beck at times. Did you get that EWI last year when you were here or have you had it for a while? And am I correct in that you are using one computer to handle your sounds and the other to do the Looping? Care to elaborate? Bill ------=_NextPart_000_0003_01C79BC1.CA5749A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Holy %#@ Per! You closet shred = monster!

 That was amazing, great sample sounds, and the phrasing is stunning, Your straty tone sounds like Jeff Beck at times. = Did you get that EWI last year when you were here or have you had it for a = while? And am I correct in that you are using one computer to handle your sounds = and the other to do the Looping? Care to elaborate?

Bill

 

------=_NextPart_000_0003_01C79BC1.CA5749A0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 21 23:19:07 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A4E363BF0A; Mon, 21 May 2007 23:19:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=QD5e1nothF8Lqyme6vKn/8+6IiFBeLWC4NSmQBka7zg9LCEmkLx9KDvlDEDl0TgrPGJIZ628EWg3p1Hy3mzT4bYkOrqOJCG+i6MxNrK+sTLzRPAl7WV4hvhWJdqO2r7awTXNdfRBlD4nPt83U1OcPq36hEBh536ub0lq2lytceY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=ldCE51JQQ6zmW4p74K7HwtBIo5wAqEe3KYAJnCcheKc9Sxzvq9yiCZMh3xGEiIthe57iOPym+51LoUbtfthDY3soKX0ldCK5LMpS+2Yd8PjEON6qrX2GHg/fepUQNRo+XwnU9sqJbT6IY71A7K9M/ChiKuYFxG7yu8Pyyw9rG8s= Message-ID: Date: Mon, 21 May 2007 16:19:01 -0700 From: "Matt Davignon" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: electro-music festival June 1-3 Philadelphia In-Reply-To: <4650A39C.6010809@soundscapes.us> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <4650A39C.6010809@soundscapes.us> Resent-Message-ID: <8DUl3C.A.kqG.rjiUGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70352 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 21 May 2007 23:19:07 +0000 (UTC) Has anyone on this list played last year's festival? I remember seeing the "invite" emails for it, and if memory serves correctly, it was a "pay to play" festival. (The performers had to pay in order to participate.) The list of performers seems to back this up - it's a long list, and I only recognize 3 names. (Including Warren Sirota, who played at Y2k6.) Could anyone set me straight on this? Other than that, they really seem to have their poop together. They have meal tickets, a great looking venue, etc. For those of us on the west coast, the San Francsico Electronic Music Festival will be held after Labor Day this year: http://www.sfemf.org/sfemf2007.html Matt Davignon www.ribosomemusic.com On 5/20/07, Bill Fox wrote: > Greetings, > > I'm forwarding this for a friend. Looping, analog synths, electronic > music, and all manner of fun is included. > > Cheers, > > Bill > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > > Advance Notice Release > Electro-Music Festival 2007 > > Friday through Sunday Cheltenham Art Center > June 1,2,3, 2007 > 439 Ashburne Road > 12 Noon =96 12 Midnight Cheltenham, PA > (www.electro-music.com) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 21 23:20:27 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9F25A3BF10; Mon, 21 May 2007 23:20:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: <20070521230515.CB24E3BF04@arsenic.violacea.com> References: <20070521230515.CB24E3BF04@arsenic.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <4E40163E-0F6E-4416-99DA-5A986C396C47@RDPowerjobs.Com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Tom Dauria Subject: Re: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V07 #327 Date: Mon, 21 May 2007 19:20:27 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-ELNK-Trace: 6e2084437afe00551aa676d7e74259b7b3291a7d08dfec79f9fd2f5477cc6508e09bfeec8a29f213350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 72.255.11.183 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70353 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 21 May 2007 23:20:27 +0000 (UTC) Whoa Per, Mistwood is really cool! Great mix of tones and what an interesting sound, I like that scale! : ) -Tom From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 21 23:21:59 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7E5E43BF0E; Mon, 21 May 2007 23:21:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <200705212305.l4LN51mW007743@mail.cruzio.com> References: <200705212305.l4LN51mW007743@mail.cruzio.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1--380950197 Message-Id: <5853f4d625606b07a7d2743e810cbd7f@glasswing.com> From: Richard Sales Subject: Re: Pers latest clip Date: Mon, 21 May 2007 16:21:52 -0700 To: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70354 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 21 May 2007 23:21:59 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-1--380950197 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Oh yeah! Very nice, Per richard sales glassWing farm and studio vancouver island, b.c. 800.545.6846 250.752.4816 www.glassWing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com On 21-May-07, at 4:05 PM, William Walker wrote: > Holy %#@ Per! You closet shred monster! > =A0That was amazing, great sample sounds, and the phrasing is = stunning,=20= --Apple-Mail-1--380950197 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=ISO-8859-1 Oh yeah! Very nice, Per Gadgetrichard sales 7373,7F7F,C5C5glassWing farm and studio vancouver island, b.c. 800.545.6846 250.752.4816C3C3,9696,1C1C www.glassWing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com On 21-May-07, at 4:05 PM, William Walker wrote: ArialHoly %#@ Per! You closet shred monster! Arial=A0That was amazing, great sample sounds, and the phrasing is stunning, = = --Apple-Mail-1--380950197-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 21 23:35:33 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C94DD3BF0D; Mon, 21 May 2007 23:35:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=TpAxiveqKCj9QArIlvPHNc4plY2BrdrmlZHLzaV0bmW7juyox552yJ78YSriBqkhljVLXVrTkJlYeVHHOcH5NfA6cEl96irJ9R5U0sbNt1IAMeprxsecIid28ER8OIcADdrvpazt5gIJ4DmbTw7dTyU4i2w+ryD3M+1Gxa0kGjk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=Fgqq3lhw/xguses0+HUnoprcciMZt11DozaXiINCZDCOCKykv5T5Q4t/30JVBvYkSPcQMPmpQXFJh9cWtX79YnbEKu8swnv6LRnhTTxJiCCa6BjDR3ZeQdzAwcR8+bN376967edUbIknf/+Od7THGVEFmL22XuUw1kJ0FG1Hd4Y= Message-ID: Date: Mon, 21 May 2007 16:35:30 -0700 From: "Matt Davignon" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: MAKER FAIRE: Loop.pooL/Kid Beyond In-Reply-To: <00b401c79746$1237cc20$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <00b401c79746$1237cc20$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70355 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 21 May 2007 23:35:33 +0000 (UTC) I must've just missed you, Rick! I was there too, performing with Larnie Fox's Crank Ensemble at 5:30. At 3pm, we were just getting in and setting up. I was by the main stage at 3:45ish, but there was some ukelele group at the time. Matt Davignon www.ribosomemusic.com On 5/15/07, RICK WALKER wrote: > The extremely creative MAKER FAIRE is this weekend > http://www.makerfaire.com/ at the San Mateo Fairgrounds > just south of San Francisco (north of the Silicon Valley). > I, |LOOP.POOL will be performing on the MAIN outdoor STAGE on Sunday > afternoon at 3 p.m. > followed, immediately by the fabulous acapella 'band in a box' looper KID > BEYOND who's > set begins at 4:15. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 22 00:09:41 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2358F3BF04; Tue, 22 May 2007 00:09:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <200705171557.l4HFvdZV046009@mail.cruzio.com> Date: Mon, 21 May 2007 20:09:01 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, repeater-users@yahoogroups.com From: Charles Zwicky Subject: Repeater 2.01 questions... Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="============_-1032329952==_ma============" X-ELNK-Trace: e070562f4b6af5994d2b10475b571120f83271781dabddcb283e32e1d5b1c9018483c75118a9a15a350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 69.86.208.154 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70356 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 00:09:41 +0000 (UTC) --============_-1032329952==_ma============ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" I wonder if the following issues were addressed in the 2.01 update... My Repeater 1.11 issues: Impossible to quickly drop everything by a musical interval and speed simultaneously (i.e. half-speed). It is TOO easy to accidently change the tempo if you switch patterns while in "Tempo Lock" mode. (which leads to:) Any audio recorded at an altered tempo will be glitchy and unusable.. even if the pitch and tempo are altered in a proportional way ( 1/2 speed and dropped one octave). This makes it impossible to cleanly overdub on a track once the tempo or pitch has been altered. Other loopers like the EH 2880 or the Line 6 DL4 allow overdubbing while altering the speed without progressive degradation to the loop or the newly added audio. Does the Repeater 2.01 software allow loops to contain tracks of independent and arbitrary lengths? -- ... --============_-1032329952==_ma============ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Repeater 2.01 questions...
 I wonder if the following issues were addressed in the 2.01 update...


My Repeater 1.11 issues:

Impossible to quickly drop everything by a musical interval and speed simultaneously (i.e. half-speed).
It is TOO easy to accidently change the tempo if you switch patterns while in  "Tempo Lock" mode.  (which leads to:)

Any audio recorded at an altered tempo will be  glitchy and unusable.. even if the pitch and tempo are altered in a proportional way ( 1/2 speed and dropped one octave).

This makes it impossible to cleanly overdub on a track once the tempo or pitch has been altered.

Other loopers like the EH 2880 or the Line 6 DL4 allow overdubbing while altering the speed without progressive degradation to the loop or the newly added  audio.

Does the Repeater 2.01 software allow loops to contain tracks of independent and arbitrary lengths?

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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 22 01:15:25 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D016E3BEDB; Tue, 22 May 2007 01:15:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <2656.69.139.19.240.1179796522.squirrel@webmail.helpwantedproductions.com> In-Reply-To: References: <4650A39C.6010809@soundscapes.us> Date: Mon, 21 May 2007 18:15:22 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: electro-music festival June 1-3 Philadelphia From: legion@helpwantedproductions.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Cc: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.9a MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70357 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 01:15:25 +0000 (UTC) > Has anyone on this list played last year's festival? I remember seeing > the "invite" emails for it, and if memory serves correctly, it was a > "pay to play" festival. (The performers had to pay in order to > participate.) The list of performers seems to back this up - it's a > long list, and I only recognize 3 names. The basic deal is all performers are required to buy the three day ticket for the weekend and they don't get paid. According to the folks I talked to this is to help them break even and also to create participation/community/what have you. There are a few headline artists who were sponsored. You also can buy a ticket for 1,2 or all three days plus there are jam sessions if you aren't actually performing. > Could anyone set me straight on this? Other than that, they really > seem to have their poop together. They have meal tickets, a great > looking venue, etc. Whatever you may think of the live policy many of the folks there enjoy both the seminars and concerts. It seems a bit preaching to the converted but then again, what are these lists? :) Check out the daily schedules and if there is something of interest give it a shot. Previous years have had Nord modular and circuit bending sessions which seemed pretty cool. >> ======================================== >> >> Advance Notice Release >> Electro-Music Festival 2007 >> >> Friday through Sunday Cheltenham Art Center >> June 1,2,3, 2007 >> 439 Ashburne Road >> 12 Noon – 12 Midnight Cheltenham, PA >> (www.electro-music.com) > > -- ------------------------------------------------ Weird, Scary, and Beautiful Music and Art: Http://www.HelpWantedProductions.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 22 02:40:17 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 671553BEF8; Tue, 22 May 2007 02:40:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: References: <200705052140.l45LeOrJ051176@mail.cruzio.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?tEd_=AE_kiLLiAn?= Subject: Re: clip posted Date: Mon, 21 May 2007 20:41:04 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) X-Chzlrs: 0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70358 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 02:40:17 +0000 (UTC) Wow Per, That was totally wicked!!! Best regards, Ted Killian On May 21, 2007, at 10:26 AM, Per Boysen wrote: > Hi friends, > > I decided to post a clip from today's having fun with my new two > laptop looping rig. Someone asked the other day on the Mobius list why > I want to use specifically a Mac as the MIDI sound engine for my EWI > when looping in Mobius on a second PC lappy. I think this recording is > a good sounding example of what I mean by playing softsynths out of > Logic's palette, which is OS X only. I use the global micro tonal > scale setting, which means every note that I release from embourchure > intonation falls back into my all time fav scale: "Chinese Lu scale by > Haui Nan Zi, Han era. (P. Amiot 1780, Kurt Reinhart)". Everything but > the guitar is played on the ES2 softsynth. The guitar is my > Stratocaster, originally sampled at every fret when played through my > Sovtek MIG60 tube top and 1x12" Marshall Lead series cab. But here I > play those samples with the EWI from the sampler inside Logic. This > sample patch is fine tuned according to western tempered tuning, so > the Lu scale comes out fairly well also on the "Strat By EWI". Oh, > there's also a guitar amp simulator in Logic that I like very much. I > have tried to get this sound from NI GuitarRig2, Guitar Combos and > AmpliTube2 but still prefer the one inside Logic. > > http://www.looproom.com/audio/mistwood.mp3 > > per > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 22 03:23:24 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 176A43BEF9; Tue, 22 May 2007 03:23:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Originating-IP: [207.90.215.75] X-Identified-User: {864:box76.bluehost.com:kevinkis:kevinkissinger.com} {sentby:webmail from 207.90.215.75} Message-ID: <20070521222321.kpel4al1c0ss48w0@69.89.21.76> Date: Mon, 21 May 2007 22:23:21 -0500 From: kkissinger@kevinkissinger.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: clip posted References: <200705052140.l45LeOrJ051176@mail.cruzio.com> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.3) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70359 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 03:23:24 +0000 (UTC) Quoting Per Boysen : > Hi friends, > > I decided to post a clip from today's having fun with my new two laptop > looping rig... > > http://www.looproom.com/audio/mistwood.mp3 > > per What a sound! Enjoyed this. Thanks for posting. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 22 03:31:18 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D46E83BF04; Tue, 22 May 2007 03:31:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-YMail-OSG: MWYYKHAVM1ktu0Yxj_5wDAoFrwvjn5YeRSfB7UwiFTOzRb_ZCCtigUYRa6wIN1U7INeAbwfTld.k4tU90Jmy29RDxg-- Message-ID: <017e01c79c21$9fbe4850$4101a8c0@MICHAELPLISHKA> From: "Michael Plishka" To: References: <200705052140.l45LeOrJ051176@mail.cruzio.com> <20070521222321.kpel4al1c0ss48w0@69.89.21.76> Subject: Re: clip posted Date: Mon, 21 May 2007 22:31:00 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70360 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 03:31:18 +0000 (UTC) tres cool.... ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, May 21, 2007 10:23 PM Subject: Re: clip posted > Quoting Per Boysen : > >> Hi friends, >> >> I decided to post a clip from today's having fun with my new two laptop >> looping rig... >> >> http://www.looproom.com/audio/mistwood.mp3 >> >> per > > What a sound! Enjoyed this. Thanks for posting. > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 22 07:26:34 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6E23B3BEE1; Tue, 22 May 2007 07:26:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=Z9s4dLYr/TXC5kak3Kz9oRjdPBa7C2il55klRP6eCogEskAWZ50y5K0DXbIFFU81VMme2ggAKCTcED08XBnFG/TfnHRPQm/eKpDp8fQiJMKr1h/3VXtYjWYxYn1uXt+9mZNoX+wv3VI2G9IQL6qmEEl3mUfS97XIIbYidzqeVFA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=H0hNN4Q55eCeR3PZXQ19cNt8JojuAHRIepEgxkaW2ByAiH7NZ8qjEafjRx3xdpj5GgoMg2BbZKa5/E2zGrX7VFKqT5dAKJDEdisIj526qRWQXr6v1uV15FllkBuWvLPC8rmrvJ54xPkV6bdWRldvJlmW5iQbdyK8wxbxAj6lit4= Message-ID: Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 00:26:32 -0700 From: "Matt Davignon" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: electro-music festival June 1-3 Philadelphia In-Reply-To: <2656.69.139.19.240.1179796522.squirrel@webmail.helpwantedproductions.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <4650A39C.6010809@soundscapes.us> <2656.69.139.19.240.1179796522.squirrel@webmail.helpwantedproductions.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70361 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 07:26:34 +0000 (UTC) On 5/21/07, legion@helpwantedproductions.com was like: > The basic deal is all performers are required to buy the three day ticket > for the weekend and they don't get paid. According to the folks I talked > to this is to help them break even and also to create > participation/community/what have you. Ah - that's what it was. Are you one of the people that puts this on? I was curious about that. As someone who organizes shows and some festivals in the San Francisco area, the prices seem a bit high for a festival of this nature. I'm not trying to knock the festival or discourage people from participating - it looks like one of the more promising electronic events on the east coast. In the least accusatory voice I can muster, I'm curious - what's going on? Are festivals that much more expensive to put on on the east coast? Is there a really high overhead for the space rental or advertising costs? Comparatively, one festival I work on invites artists, pays them, pays for plane tickets for out of towners, writes some grant requests and does local fund raising, and winds up charging the audience about 25% less. Another festival I used to work on, the Big Sur experimental music festival, had an 'open invite' for up to 100 musicians working collaboratively. Using entirely online promotion, our only organizational cost was the venue. Tickets were $15 for the 2 day festival. Artists only had to pay for their own camping and travel. Artists didn't get paid, but neither did the organizers, and it didn't cost a lot of $$ to put it on. I don't personally have a lot of experience with grantwriting, but from an outsiders point of view, it looks like the Electro-Music festival has a lot of qualities that grant providers look for, a community aspect with lectures, demos, jam sessions, etc. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 22 07:34:34 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A60DC3BF08; Tue, 22 May 2007 07:34:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-SBRS: 4.7 X-RemoteIP: 212.74.114.12 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AgAAAAI6UkbUSnIMk2dsb2JhbACQEgEBAgcGCAcFH6B/ Message-ID: <46529D0C.30701@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 08:34:36 +0100 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Input/Feedback LED's level question Last time I try to get help with this. Please help! References: <052120072100.18643.46520868000F0999000048D322165258060A040407909C050A0A99@comcast.net> In-Reply-To: <052120072100.18643.46520868000F0999000048D322165258060A040407909C050A0A99@comcast.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Antivirus-Scanner: Scanned with ClamAV Resent-Message-ID: <7W100.A.qEF.K0pUGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70362 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 07:34:34 +0000 (UTC) weeksville@comcast.net wrote: > Ignoring the fact that the feedback led is orange while recording is > all well and good. The problem is it is equally as orange when > the recorded loop plays back (ie what the feedback led is showing while > recording seems to be real in that the feedback led glows yellow/orange > as it did while recording.) I do believe the initial led reading of the > feedback led is the level the loop is receiving. > Let me try in steps > 1) Set input level good green > 2) Record > 3) Input level led green, green, green, Feedback level led yellow/orange > yellow/orange > 4) Stop record. Feedback led yellow/orange yellow/orange > 5) overdub, multiply, or insert > 6) Input led green green green, Feedback led orange, orange, orange > 7) Stop overdub multiply or insert. feedback led orange orange orange > right, so now try monitoring just the dry signal and check whether you get distortion when the input LED is still green. andy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 22 07:35:23 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0FD5F3BF0A; Tue, 22 May 2007 07:35:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-SBRS: 4.7 X-RemoteIP: 212.74.114.13 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AgAAAAI6UkbUSnINk2dsb2JhbACQEgEBAgcGCAcFH6B/ Message-ID: <46529CCA.2010007@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 08:33:30 +0100 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Input/Feedback LED's level question Last time I try to get help with this. Please help! References: <052120072100.18643.46520868000F0999000048D322165258060A040407909C050A0A99@comcast.net> In-Reply-To: <052120072100.18643.46520868000F0999000048D322165258060A040407909C050A0A99@comcast.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Antivirus-Scanner: Scanned with ClamAV Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70363 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 07:35:23 +0000 (UTC) weeksville@comcast.net wrote: > Ignoring the fact that the feedback led is orange while recording is > all well and good. The problem is it is equally as orange when > the recorded loop plays back (ie what the feedback led is showing while > recording seems to be real in that the feedback led glows yellow/orange > as it did while recording.) I do believe the initial led reading of the > feedback led is the level the loop is receiving. > Let me try in steps > 1) Set input level good green > 2) Record > 3) Input level led green, green, green, Feedback level led yellow/orange > yellow/orange > 4) Stop record. Feedback led yellow/orange yellow/orange > 5) overdub, multiply, or insert > 6) Input led green green green, Feedback led orange, orange, orange > 7) Stop overdub multiply or insert. feedback led orange orange orange > right, so now try monitoring just the dry signal and check whether you get distortion when the input LED is still green. andy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 22 08:12:59 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5DA7D3BF08; Tue, 22 May 2007 08:12:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [90.200.69.128] X-Originating-Email: [simeonharris@hotmail.com] X-Sender: simeonharris@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <5853f4d625606b07a7d2743e810cbd7f@glasswing.com> From: "simeon harris" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Pers latest clip Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 08:12:52 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 May 2007 08:12:57.0260 (UTC) FILETIME=[015A76C0:01C79C49] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70364 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 08:12:59 +0000 (UTC) wow per, that was absolutely gorgeous! sounded very much like jeff beck having some fun with a whammy pedal your control of the dynamics and the "tremolo" antics gave it a very realistic sound, which made the parts when you played something impossible for a guitarist to play even more surprising! that's a keeper sim www.simeonharris.co.uk _________________________________________________________________ Play your part in making history - Email Britain! http://www.emailbritain.co.uk/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 22 09:46:08 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E0F0A3BEDC; Tue, 22 May 2007 09:46:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=PV2KH5fjwm68mdWOy4m+0YZNcJ6MX4nOENUgziJcELIGWW0vpZ965DagVImg94i2xvuYzzPtpZLPTElyokzPotz0KLrdKp7HrT2t6Um9xJ/ww7aYsvOKHJTK76wCieVxYYNM3BMqc+Z+njqZLL4vU5uklxD+wX0NkTgyFW0yw7U= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=eWWoKZnAMmIqSw3cGPyXS1LVeUgMvJVZ+SmZfYtBaNcn5NbPivXRYfwaL3sB8/XZM4q7xl01YYt5ZTVj8lDD2uJeAvTaBNAzx4aGkfv9RJT1rP+Pcqxv79sV61bAEpeTnBpn07zwa9XmrnKnfvVxfZDWPqBImytfq/Q1f1S0Xjg= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Pers latest clip Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 11:45:51 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70365 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 09:46:08 +0000 (UTC) On 22 maj 2007, at 10.12, simeon harris wrote: > your control of the dynamics and the "tremolo" antics gave it a =20 > very realistic sound, which made the parts when you played =20 > something impossible for a guitarist to play even more surprising! I know a lot of people associate "the guitar" with a certain physical =20= mock-up of wood and metal and I really don't want to upset "vintage-=20 minded guitar lovers", but to me it's all just as simple as Sound and =20= Expression. As a child I just loved a certain sound I kept hearing in music. =20 Later on I learned it was the sound of a Stratocaster with floating =20 vibrato bar cooking an amp's first stage=92s three 12AX7A tubes and the =20= output stage=92s two EL-34 tubes. But that took long time to find out; =20= I played Gretsch guitars, Gibson Les Paul and ES335 guitars, but =20 never found the sound I heard inside. Until I finally understood that =20= this piece-of-crap looking guitar model named Stratocaster was the =20 origin to the magic I felt. So I got into strats and started to trim =20 them bitches. Which wasn't easy. The pick-ups are extremely sensible =20 for hum so you have to learn the correct body posture on stage to =20 stay free from picking up the local police radio. You also need to =20 adjust the pickups according to the strings in a very delicate way. =20 They not only loose lots of high frequencies if too far from the =20 string, they also make the string go out of tune if adjusted too =20 closely; you have to find the perfect balance where it all comes =20 together musically. And that's all dependent on how you set the =20 string action and which strings you are using! Then we have the =20 vibrato machinery that has to be set up in a floating manner to make =20 the sound I like (being able to play a vibrato with the amplitude =20 reaching both under and over the normative pitch), but this has some =20 nasty drawbacks: when a string pops at a gig all other five strings =20 are immediately kicks out of tune because the springs on the back of =20 the body does not any more match the pulling power of six-tuned-=20 strings. So if you want to gig you need to keep also an equally =20 adjusted backup guitar. And more, you have to keep the thing in tune =20 while playing, which means learning to play the twang bar correctly =20 (never only go down in pitch, always finish up with a short upwards =20 gliss to get the strings back into the state when the tension is =20 equal on both sides of the nut). You also have to learn how to wind =20 up strings correctly to the tuning heads and to adjust the chinks in =20 the nut so the strings can stretch freely all the way from the bridge =20= to the tuning head (this might as well include the need of bringing a =20= graphite pen to "smoothen" the chinks to minimize the friction - =20 learned that from Jeff Beck thanks to Guitar Player mag. Great tip =20 BTW). Finally, the electric guitar - as in the strat model - is not =20 at all a design-wise optimized instrument. Strats would actually =20 sound better if the bridge pick-up was tilted the other way! But to =20 get that sound you have to buy a left-hand designed strat and change =20 the order of the strings for playing it right-handed. It's crazy that =20= people still try to copy Jimi's sound without understanding this very =20= obvious fact, when it's right there on every old picture of the =20 musician! ;-) Phew... Making sense of playing the electric guitar is just so =20 complicated. In comparison, reaching for that sound and expression =20 with the EWI is a very gratifying shortcut. And besides of that, the =20 MIDI concept opens up for other fun stuff as in incorporating =20 arpeggiators and modular sequencing into your playing. per --- "closet shred monster" ;-) From accounts@administration.com Tue May 22 12:22:28 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 2916 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Tue, 22 May 2007 12:22:28 UTC Received: from webmediainc.org (ns1.webmediainc.net [64.239.114.172]) by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 030823BEC7 for ; Tue, 22 May 2007 12:22:27 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 5039 invoked from network); 22 May 2007 11:13:22 -0000 Received: from wsip-24-249-61-187.ks.ks.cox.net (HELO User) (24.249.61.187) by brantleyracingcomplex.com with SMTP; 22 May 2007 11:13:22 -0000 From: "Paypal" Subject: Notification from Billing Department Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 06:13:16 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1251" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-Id: <20070522122227.030823BEC7@arsenic.violacea.com> To: undisclosed-recipients:;
   
 

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                                               Copyright © Paypal 2007. All rights From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 22 13:07:20 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 207A93BEDB; Tue, 22 May 2007 13:07:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: weeksville@comcast.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Input/Feedback LED's level question Last time I try to get help with this. Please help! Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 13:07:16 +0000 Message-Id: <052220071307.21347.4652EB040000A69D0000536322165514060A040407909C050A0A99@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Oct 4 2006) X-Authenticated-Sender: d2Vla3N2aWxsZUBjb21jYXN0Lm5ldA== MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_21347_1179839236_0" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70366 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 13:07:19 +0000 (UTC) --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_21347_1179839236_0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit > right, > so now try monitoring just the dry signal and check whether you get distortion > when the input LED is still green. > > andy > Thanks for all your help Andy The input LED seems to work appropriately. No signal distortion until input led orange/red as it should be. But needless to say when the input led is orange/red the feedback led is a hot glowing RED. I remember before the software change I could run the input level a little hot and the loop level would be a little less. This again was reflected when I was recording by the input LED being occasionally yellow/orange but the feedback LED would remain green. I do believe the feedback LED level is the level of the loop recording even with the first loop recording although I am being told to ignore that.Who knows. Sonically everything seems to be the same. I just have to adjust the input level down so low that I am concerned I am losing some fidelity by not maximizing my input headroom. --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_21347_1179839236_0 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit



> right,
> so now try monitoring just the dry signal and check whether you get distortion
> when the input LED is still green.
>
> andy
>
Thanks for all your help Andy
The input LED seems to work appropriately. No signal distortion until input led orange/red as it should be. But needless to say when the  input led is orange/red the feedback led is a hot glowing RED.  I remember before the software change I could run the input level a little hot and the loop level would be a little less.  This again was reflected  when I was recording by the input LED being occasionally yellow/orange but the feedback LED would remain green.  I do believe the feedback LED level is the level of the loop recording even with the first loop recording although I am being told to ignore that.Who knows.  Sonically everything seems to be the same.  I just have to adjust the input level down so low that I am concerned I am losing some fidelity by not maximizing my input headroom. 
--NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_21347_1179839236_0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 22 13:21:34 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4AB883BED8; Tue, 22 May 2007 13:21:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <28054.68.32.231.238.1179840091.squirrel@webmail.helpwantedproductions.com> In-Reply-To: References: <4650A39C.6010809@soundscapes.us> <2656.69.139.19.240.1179796522.squirrel@webmail.helpwantedproductions.com> Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 06:21:31 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: electro-music festival June 1-3 Philadelphia From: legion@helpwantedproductions.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.9a MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70367 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 13:21:34 +0000 (UTC) > On 5/21/07, legion@helpwantedproductions.com was like: >> The basic deal is all performers are required to buy the three day >> ticket for the weekend and they don't get paid. According to the folks I >> talked to this is to help them break even and also to create >> participation/community/what have you. > > Ah - that's what it was. Are you one of the people that puts this on? > I was curious about that. As someone who organizes shows and some > festivals in the San Francisco area, the prices seem a bit high for a > festival of this nature. No, I don't have anything to do with the festival. > I'm not trying to knock the festival or discourage people from > participating - it looks like one of the more promising electronic > events on the east coast. In the least accusatory voice I can muster, > I'm curious - what's going on? Are festivals that much more expensive > to put on on the east coast? Is there a really high overhead for the > space rental or advertising costs? I really don't know any of the details. Perhaps you could write the festival itself? Personally I'd attend if there was something of interest. I did apply and was accepted one year but when I found out the deal I decided not to accept the "offer". I'm long past the point where I *have* to play for anyone and I refuse to have to buy a ticket (let alone a three day pass) for anything I'm contributing too; for free no less. That's just me though, obviously others feel differently. There is no shortage of people attending and playing and as others have stated the event itself seems to be well organized. ------------------------------------------------ Weird, Scary, and Beautiful Music and Art: Http://www.HelpWantedProductions.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 22 13:40:58 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 17C0E3BECF; Tue, 22 May 2007 13:40:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-UNTD-OriginStamp: UaDa75JLtgflGXgtddgOdl/2yoBvQ+847P2rRRCYHqSLVpr90GT+Gg== X-Originating-IP: [69.222.12.92] Mime-Version: 1.0 From: "aurlite@netzero.net" Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 13:39:47 GMT To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: new clip and vid X-Mailer: Webmail Version 4.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <20070522.063952.29529.3186890@webmail25.lax.untd.com> X-ContentStamp: 3:5:444102671 X-MAIL-INFO:446521fc086d8d082101bd21bd8da5486cec554ce9c55de9c5e955c5e919fcac8cfc086c6ded556545 X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 10.131.27.165|webmail25.lax.untd.com|webmail25.lax.untd.com|aurlite@netzero.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70368 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 13:40:58 +0000 (UTC) hey everyone, mrbotty here, aka jim k. (white robot records) long time ld member. just wanted to let you know i have some new audio and video clips. check out "tin ear" audio clip and "white robot music tour" my 1st vid at you tube. located at the address below. thanks jim = www.whiterobotrecords.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 22 13:55:35 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E4A123BED8; Tue, 22 May 2007 13:55:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [90.200.69.128] X-Originating-Email: [simeonharris@hotmail.com] X-Sender: simeonharris@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: From: "simeon harris" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Pers latest clip Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 13:55:28 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 May 2007 13:55:32.0841 (UTC) FILETIME=[DD6F3590:01C79C78] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70369 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 13:55:35 +0000 (UTC) >Phew... Making sense of playing the electric guitar is just so >complicated. but that's half the fun! having said that...there have been many times (as i'm making my 4th trip from the car to the venue) that i wished i was a trumpet player... s _________________________________________________________________ New, exclusive and FREE - Download Madonna's "Hey You" now! http://www.liveearth.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 22 14:47:59 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AD1793BEDE; Tue, 22 May 2007 14:47:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=iwIPC7o5kNe+eVWEX0PSKFiiZSQE0IGqI07tF1W4SEDcWTgsJMMHaHP6ItPXUHf4XMNCWJCyXYNTCr91UpEYuzHD8cQL8SatuQ1bjeN/0OyPOjVyB1ql9oJqOsrNC0xlmzO+bRE5alHr3JRO6MfOR9XNw1Nb84zC3gjSI6yiYwk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=VLiFg7WZso/P1PbYlznbXFSPXjzsLH9HH/Q4KvzxkDxYljcdWoQeIwwdXroLLAzV3U/TS9CPqTzA1EeTkPtvowRBd7Dp/9TJUjJrrocdJI+2+0NCovxezi8hTE7YjJujnyCPwfP/XLPhg9y6XDoDK/IxHgpFa6gk7Q+bXCwFcns= Message-ID: Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 10:47:57 -0400 From: "radio radio" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: cheapest unit or way to sync to the EDP? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70370 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 14:47:59 +0000 (UTC) So, thanks to the helpful advice from this list a while ago, I finally bit the bullet and bought a used EDP (from British Audio through Ebay) and of course could not be happier with the decision. Now, however, I'm trying to get a musical partner to loop with me, and I'm concerned about being able to sync our loops, and he's concerned about not having the money to shell out for a great looper. He currently has the digitech jamman, and I can't think of any way to really sync with that (any ideas?). The only idea I've had so far is the Boss RC-2, which quantizes to itself via an internal click track, and an a/b box, so he could set the tempo on his unit and we could route that to the beat sync in the EDP, and I could start a loop that was synced to that (I'm just assuming here that this would work without a hitch - I haven't synced the EDP to anything yet). Then he could mute that annoying click, a/b the sound to his amp, and start his loop, which would quantize to the now silent click, which is already synced with my loop via the beat sync. That's the best I can come up with, but I don't know much of anything about older loopers which may be available on Ebay and may offer better results for cheaper, the same price, or negligably more. This set up mentioned above would run about 220 with the a/b box. I don't know a thing about software loopers, and am in general a little computer-phobic when it comes to playing live, although my friend may be open to the idea if anyone has a better idea than the rc-2. THANKS! Eben From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 22 14:50:42 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4C2513BEE0; Tue, 22 May 2007 14:50:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 10:50:04 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Charles Zwicky Subject: Re: Pers latest clip Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-ELNK-Trace: e070562f4b6af5994d2b10475b571120e241beadbb9c99a4af2344fa69bd6feec1200f628b33ea77350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 69.86.208.154 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70371 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 14:50:42 +0000 (UTC) Per, Sounds like you hit the nail on the head there. I've always felt that horn players had a certain advantage over keyboard and guitar players. One simple way to describe the phenomenon is that the lack of visual 'roadmaps' require that the player must hear th licks in their head before playing them, often resulting in more of a human vocal quality to the resuling music. A far cry from sweep picking nonsense that the guitar often lends itself to. I built my strat when I was 14 years old, in search of the same elusive tone you mentioned in your post. I actually * did * reverse the angle of my bridge pickup. What a tremendous improvement! Thicker trebles and brighter basses! What's more, I have been using a Telecaster pickup there for the last several years. I also rely on the two tips Jeff Beck mentioned way back when: Graphite from a pencil in the nut slots, and wire insulation over the strings as they cross the bridgeplate (to prevent breaking). -CZ >On 22 maj 2007, at 10.12, simeon harris wrote: > >>your control of the dynamics and the "tremolo" antics gave it a >>very realistic sound, which made the parts when you played >>something impossible for a guitarist to play even more surprising! > >I know a lot of people associate "the guitar" with a certain >physical mock-up of wood and metal and I really don't want to upset >"vintage-minded guitar lovers", but to me it's all just as simple as >Sound and Expression. > >As a child I just loved a certain sound I kept hearing in music. >Later on I learned it was the sound of a Stratocaster with floating >vibrato bar cooking an amp's first stage's three 12AX7A tubes and >the output stage's two EL-34 tubes. But that took long time to find >out; I played Gretsch guitars, Gibson Les Paul and ES335 guitars, >but never found the sound I heard inside. Until I finally understood >that this piece-of-crap looking guitar model named Stratocaster was >the origin to the magic I felt. So I got into strats and started to >trim them bitches. Which wasn't easy. The pick-ups are extremely >sensible for hum so you have to learn the correct body posture on >stage to stay free from picking up the local police radio. You also >need to adjust the pickups according to the strings in a very >delicate way. They not only loose lots of high frequencies if too >far from the string, they also make the string go out of tune if >adjusted too closely; you have to find the perfect balance where it >all comes together musically. And that's all dependent on how you >set the string action and which strings you are using! Then we have >the vibrato machinery that has to be set up in a floating manner to >make the sound I like (being able to play a vibrato with the >amplitude reaching both under and over the normative pitch), but >this has some nasty drawbacks: when a string pops at a gig all other >five strings are immediately kicks out of tune because the springs >on the back of the body does not any more match the pulling power of >six-tuned-strings. So if you want to gig you need to keep also an >equally adjusted backup guitar. And more, you have to keep the thing >in tune while playing, which means learning to play the twang bar >correctly (never only go down in pitch, always finish up with a >short upwards gliss to get the strings back into the state when the >tension is equal on both sides of the nut). You also have to learn >how to wind up strings correctly to the tuning heads and to adjust >the chinks in the nut so the strings can stretch freely all the way >from the bridge to the tuning head (this might as well include the >need of bringing a graphite pen to "smoothen" the chinks to minimize >the friction - learned that from Jeff Beck thanks to Guitar Player >mag. Great tip BTW). Finally, the electric guitar - as in the strat >model - is not at all a design-wise optimized instrument. Strats >would actually sound better if the bridge pick-up was tilted the >other way! But to get that sound you have to buy a left-hand >designed strat and change the order of the strings for playing it >right-handed. It's crazy that people still try to copy Jimi's sound >without understanding this very obvious fact, when it's right there >on every old picture of the musician! ;-) > >Phew... Making sense of playing the electric guitar is just so >complicated. In comparison, reaching for that sound and expression >with the EWI is a very gratifying shortcut. And besides of that, the >MIDI concept opens up for other fun stuff as in incorporating >arpeggiators and modular sequencing into your playing. > >per >--- >"closet shred monster" ;-) -- ... http://www.zmix.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 22 14:55:03 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id ABD973BEDB; Tue, 22 May 2007 14:55:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <46530448.8040809@hevanet.com> Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 07:55:04 -0700 From: David Auker User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.10 (Windows/20070221) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: clip posted References: <200705052140.l45LeOrJ051176@mail.cruzio.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70372 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 14:55:03 +0000 (UTC) Per Boysen wrote: > (...) my all time fav scale: "Chinese Lu scale by Haui Nan Zi, Han > era. (P. Amiot 1780, Kurt Reinhart)". Can you elaborate on this scale? I'll echo (loop?) the others: fantastic music! Thanks for sharing. David From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 22 14:57:12 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 74CF43BF02; Tue, 22 May 2007 14:57:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <465304C9.8030405@hevanet.com> Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 07:57:13 -0700 From: David Auker User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.10 (Windows/20070221) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: OT: Keyboardists: Alesis Fusion HD8 ? References: <200705052140.l45LeOrJ051176@mail.cruzio.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70373 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 14:57:12 +0000 (UTC) Any of you tried this? I'm thinking of acquiring one... Thanks (it WILL be used for looping!) David From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 22 15:08:42 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E027D3BF0C; Tue, 22 May 2007 15:08:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=rFPBmjYZ5NT7E6/vt+hBhMh/llsgVxZsUv8uSo/B1N5ebgbkx/mkbRSb2QyZeKQ76+XMEzI83OCRluoucQSjG7WddvSEdBS+kWGCKszptOLdDCiT4zlSzhr+u+mT8309oAhjBAvJE6rs0QNDNyFmHKh5+PqzxNMwP/X/93rdZjo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=r8SwMdSsweBbNC2yke4jz+z/glWSYCD+df5zJ7awcegMUj3VxGc5Vty5OcrHjKIO5v2ssIvYLW4MjJOuN+4o15dI87KJfXC1ff9OkRgWmySFnp9cxsSNo72JmTDF6ndXvkhBpCXYk20kBxDk/N/8alk17g9nth7tCVSjGncanY8= Message-ID: <60d70c8d0705220808v5096cfc4ofc2a4185a7126191@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 09:08:39 -0600 From: "francisco prado" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: cheapest unit or way to sync to the EDP? In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_43875_15595510.1179846519545" References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70374 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 15:08:41 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_43875_15595510.1179846519545 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline I've synced ableton to the EDP, but I have not been able to sync the EDP to ableton (i.e. the EDP has to be the master). I have found this to be somewhat unreliable, however. I tend to lose sync every once and a while, Ableton complains and runs at whatever tempo it wants to. I am running the MIDI into an M-audio axiom and across the USB to my PC, so perhaps that is why MIDI sync is lost. hmmm. maybe this helps? F On 5/22/07, radio radio wrote: > > So, thanks to the helpful advice from this list a while ago, I finally > bit the bullet and bought a used EDP (from British Audio through Ebay) > and of course could not be happier with the decision. Now, however, > I'm trying to get a musical partner to loop with me, and I'm concerned > about being able to sync our loops, and he's concerned about not > having the money to shell out for a great looper. He currently has the > digitech jamman, and I can't think of any way to really sync with that > (any ideas?). > > The only idea I've had so far is the Boss RC-2, which quantizes to > itself via an internal click track, and an a/b box, so he could set > the tempo on his unit and we could route that to the beat sync in the > EDP, and I could start a loop that was synced to that (I'm just > assuming here that this would work without a hitch - I haven't synced > the EDP to anything yet). Then he could mute that annoying click, a/b > the sound to his amp, and start his loop, which would quantize to the > now silent click, which is already synced with my loop via the beat > sync. > > That's the best I can come up with, but I don't know much of anything > about older loopers which may be available on Ebay and may offer > better results for cheaper, the same price, or negligably more. This > set up mentioned above would run about 220 with the a/b box. I don't > know a thing about software loopers, and am in general a little > computer-phobic when it comes to playing live, although my friend may > be open to the idea if anyone has a better idea than the rc-2. > > THANKS! > > Eben > > ------=_Part_43875_15595510.1179846519545 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline I've synced ableton to the EDP, but I have not been able to sync the EDP
to ableton (i.e. the EDP has to be the master). I have found this to be somewhat
unreliable, however.  I tend to lose sync every once and a while, Ableton
complains and runs at whatever tempo it wants to.  I am running the MIDI
into an M-audio axiom and across the USB to my PC, so perhaps that is
why MIDI sync is lost.

hmmm.  maybe this helps?


F



On 5/22/07, radio radio <radiotelevision@gmail.com> wrote:
So, thanks to the helpful advice from this list a while ago, I finally
bit the bullet and bought a used EDP (from British Audio through Ebay)
and of course could not be happier with the decision. Now, however,
I'm trying to get a musical partner to loop with me, and I'm concerned
about being able to sync our loops, and he's concerned about not
having the money to shell out for a great looper. He currently has the
digitech jamman, and I can't think of any way to really sync with that
(any ideas?).

The only idea I've had so far is the Boss RC-2, which quantizes to
itself via an internal click track, and an a/b box, so he could set
the tempo on his unit and we could route that to the beat sync in the
EDP, and I could start a loop that was synced to that (I'm just
assuming here that this would work without a hitch - I haven't synced
the EDP to anything yet). Then he could mute that annoying click, a/b
the sound to his amp, and start his loop, which would quantize to the
now silent click, which is already synced with my loop via the beat
sync.

That's the best I can come up with, but I don't know much of anything
about older loopers which may be available on Ebay and may offer
better results for cheaper, the same price, or negligably more. This
set up mentioned above would run about 220 with the a/b box. I don't
know a thing about software loopers, and am in general a little
computer-phobic when it comes to playing live, although my friend may
be open to the idea if anyone has a better idea than the rc-2.

THANKS!

Eben


------=_Part_43875_15595510.1179846519545-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 22 15:21:45 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 09D183BEE1; Tue, 22 May 2007 15:21:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-SBRS: 4.7 X-RemoteIP: 212.74.114.11 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AgAAAMOmUkbUSnILk2dsb2JhbACQFAICBwYIBwUfoVM Message-ID: <46530A29.8000505@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 16:20:09 +0100 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: cheapest unit or way to sync to the EDP? References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Antivirus-Scanner: Scanned with ClamAV Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70375 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 15:21:45 +0000 (UTC) radio radio wrote: > So, thanks to the helpful advice from this list a while ago, I finally > bit the bullet and bought a used EDP (from British Audio through Ebay) > and of course could not be happier with the decision. Now, however, > I'm trying to get a musical partner to loop with me, and I'm concerned > about being able to sync our loops, and he's concerned about not > having the money to shell out for a great looper. He currently has the > digitech jamman, and I can't think of any way to really sync with that > (any ideas?). > get yourselves a Midi cable. then decide whose going to define the timing. Then connect the Midi Out of one of those devices (master) to the Midi In of the other (slave). I've never had a problem syncing EDP and JamMan. Can't use the JamMan in delay mode though. andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 22 15:22:28 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F0F0E3BEFF; Tue, 22 May 2007 15:22:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=g7glSFO1dowyyjPuKdqYEC8gDhI2am+aZDrWlj5ZmfNVc6Zg+NnpCpFFhGACjnjBzph/RPHyf3pzBR8TOhakk9g5YIuB2tcq2/ESXrN1g/GKURVb9/jU3Jn3/RwYnEqj1aZ3qQCo/fMOz2HiveePd8PY3YnpX72GP4gKEdtMZwQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=eDZ5bFsGwEriFEUkkg2G78NKaeY2H6bfnrhIfbNpDXOlreRGzmAhNwIVcCk+4wwtt5OU7Xq36k1hyJe960UFqw91thLx1NAlujrjRVCaqSx3RN91TQBW+oyO2rsHdSZ58/wk9m1NRZGc+cjRdDLpkWzvVMrEMrLkPXIWDn3fov8= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <60d70c8d0705220808v5096cfc4ofc2a4185a7126191@mail.gmail.com> References: <60d70c8d0705220808v5096cfc4ofc2a4185a7126191@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <682DE00C-29B6-410A-822A-3DEE98ECF48E@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: cheapest unit or way to sync to the EDP? Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 17:22:24 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70376 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 15:22:27 +0000 (UTC) On 22 maj 2007, at 17.08, francisco prado wrote: > I've synced ableton to the EDP, but I have not been able to sync > the EDP > to ableton (i.e. the EDP has to be the master). I have found this > to be somewhat > unreliable, however. I tend to lose sync every once and a while, > Ableton > complains and runs at whatever tempo it wants to. I am running the > MIDI > into an M-audio axiom and across the USB to my PC, so perhaps that is > why MIDI sync is lost. No, Ableton Live sucks as a MIDI slave. It's documented by many, even technically described, and I have personally suffered from it in the past. It's better to set Live as the master, because the EDP is an excellent tempo follower as long as the tempo doesn't change. I've been running a laptop with Live plus EDP for many live gigs in that setup and it has never let me down. However, since Eben is the lucky owner of an EDP I'd like to suggest running the EDP out of sync. My own experiences form that are very good. The longer loop you catch the longer time the EDP will stay in sync with the music. It's easy to set a new tempo by ending Overdub or Multiply with Record. Might sound a bit fishy though if you have a loop going with groovy material, at least until you get around to record new tempo accurate audio into the loop. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://www.myspace.com/looproom http://www.jamendo.com/en/artist/per.boysen/ http://www.jamendo.com/en/artist/lo.fi.lazer/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 22 15:36:31 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9011C3BF07; Tue, 22 May 2007 15:36:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=BYJicN0D4INyrHsoWPEPnB2dmYAvzfvtjMELEI2sToP20V2IUIBeGHInSj7YVn0vL4DNN4ZDVqeedDVlBuSQTgfZDdrTHFVeHrJkMbrLw9T6NI+BB5swIyGF/Cssfa/1YMmuCqnPYhbvtt8pfK+ENEgvqfQLRdZ6OTrmpM8YPvY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=j9F9UwQuH0GrVUF6zGbulqyRI6G7EQQLbHZieFyj3HZIsRMpN/B9BAi5TStqV7fOc9G3j2UVX90klCH+3TIEs+IeQ2dCfls5GcnrNBUdmIyLl/izaMcv6AtVpgue0t9cHu+Gudx+gWRRRWGuZXWKTWZU/ci9NFAilevtLaQb/0I= Message-ID: Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 08:36:30 -0700 From: "Travis Hartnett" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: cheapest unit or way to sync to the EDP? In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70377 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 15:36:31 +0000 (UTC) Which JamMan--the old rackmount unit or the current pedal? On 5/22/07, radio radio wrote: > So, thanks to the helpful advice from this list a while ago, I finally > bit the bullet and bought a used EDP (from British Audio through Ebay) > and of course could not be happier with the decision. Now, however, > I'm trying to get a musical partner to loop with me, and I'm concerned > about being able to sync our loops, and he's concerned about not > having the money to shell out for a great looper. He currently has the > digitech jamman, and I can't think of any way to really sync with that > (any ideas?). > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 22 15:37:01 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5606B3BF10; Tue, 22 May 2007 15:37:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <512170180.1179848220540.JavaMail.root@fepweb11> Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 8:37:00 -0700 From: =?utf-8?Q?tEd_=C2=AE_kiLLiAn?= To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: FABIO ANILE'S NEW ETEROGENEOO PODCAST MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Sensitivity: Normal X-Originating-IP: from 66.169.241.110 by mail.charter.net; Tue, 22 May 2007 11:37:00 -0400 X-Chzlrs: 0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70378 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 15:37:01 +0000 (UTC) Hey Fabio! 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So??? ---- radio radio wrote:=20 > So, thanks to the helpful advice from this list a while ago, I finally > bit the bullet and bought a used EDP (from British Audio through Ebay) > and of course could not be happier with the decision. Now, however, > I'm trying to get a musical partner to loop with me, and I'm concerned > about being able to sync our loops, and he's concerned about not > having the money to shell out for a great looper. He currently has the > digitech jamman, and I can't think of any way to really sync with that > (any ideas?). >=20 > The only idea I've had so far is the Boss RC-2, which quantizes to > itself via an internal click track, and an a/b box, so he could set > the tempo on his unit and we could route that to the beat sync in the > EDP, and I could start a loop that was synced to that (I'm just > assuming here that this would work without a hitch - I haven't synced > the EDP to anything yet). Then he could mute that annoying click, a/b > the sound to his amp, and start his loop, which would quantize to the > now silent click, which is already synced with my loop via the beat > sync. >=20 > That's the best I can come up with, but I don't know much of anything > about older loopers which may be available on Ebay and may offer > better results for cheaper, the same price, or negligably more. This > set up mentioned above would run about 220 with the a/b box. I don't > know a thing about software loopers, and am in general a little > computer-phobic when it comes to playing live, although my friend may > be open to the idea if anyone has a better idea than the rc-2. >=20 > THANKS! >=20 > Eben >=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 22 16:18:53 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AA0D43BEF8; Tue, 22 May 2007 16:18:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=sbTZJBRj5zSgPxpSxJQuCTbSkR8kjWV9/fUV+vYhqXGyBuwYt+NBItaC3zCE+xGX6EhpjqvwmtTYN6MDaH8Qfk1nYxVjlYk4Fyfw9/1uinvqtXdqOkCBm9StmjKLUAtgyJoLnpQQBhG6S0c1iG8kPUtHAa52mLjQzzWRx/J3kBQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=t+gD7apCxLdhJkl2Upt9XywNdhVTSOp2mUIC/GSUVGDse9rn8auuy7qetC1C1GJ+hS8TxQJN5tKCmMEUYOgIdTO/NJwksfHem8keyvRSMvYS4csnR4eGXslV8zlnSWvJilB8ralNKb2sgvPTxVIlkmWPLItzFHJNnQu13UsEOi4= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <46530448.8040809@hevanet.com> References: <200705052140.l45LeOrJ051176@mail.cruzio.com> <46530448.8040809@hevanet.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <8ACBC6C9-FF55-45A0-A635-90B174A5BBC1@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: clip posted Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 18:18:48 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: <74GjTC.A.6Z.tfxUGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70379 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 16:18:53 +0000 (UTC) On 22 maj 2007, at 16.55, David Auker wrote: > Per Boysen wrote: >> (...) my all time fav scale: "Chinese Lu scale by Haui Nan Zi, Han >> era. (P. Amiot 1780, Kurt Reinhart)". > > Can you elaborate on this scale? Well... As from what I hear the third and tenth note are special, according to the phrasings I mostly do. As from what I can feel the notes tend to pitch in where I would like them place them myself. As for a mathematical description, these are the deviations: 1: +0,9 2: +5,9 3: +17,6 4: +6,4 5: 0,0 (pure fifth) 6: -1,0 7: +3,9 8: +15,6 9: -5,7 10: -2,0 11: +8,4 12: +2,0 per From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 22 16:40:28 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 180143BEFB; Tue, 22 May 2007 16:40:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=dHT8HPuatCBxEVYFW36a4C+sxrgur1m+X/+05t2Oh1LAvMRoIZcZXQ9vRlOfWCKqbD8484/9wQgpcaVQGT0eTjWs1g/QUhbYNwc03dbdqO3oTpRDXmcjossUG0dEsH5xlLvLhIytDlUcqPXpColUxS5URLvAd6L+mbfuOhFXiO0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=sPboKBvNw0J6cfFoGgA0MLkyLhvDAWwHlXlDoCD5sanURiNjGMD7NA6X/J9QvafsK9Q7a5JC+pCBSrfmZp64OTlLlBH0v/INGU/4FsuuFWYy/U1LWYwETdUfRdVxiS2AjPeZV8Qfri6qyFcw1p4bnGAtD7WpOpW2wqkzM+p2oS8= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <187786EE-A685-4981-9E45-37306634B030@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Visual roadmaps suck (Re: Pers latest clip) Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 18:39:59 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70380 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 16:40:28 +0000 (UTC) On 22 maj 2007, at 16.50, Charles Zwicky wrote: > Sounds like you hit the nail on the head there. I've always felt > that horn players had a certain advantage over keyboard and guitar > players. One simple way to describe the phenomenon is that the lack > of visual 'roadmaps' require that the player must hear th licks in > their head before playing them, often resulting in more of a human > vocal quality to the resuling music. What you describe as a "horn player related phenomenon" is IMHO the starting point from where any person should begin learning to play any instrument. It's a big mistake to start out making sounds that come from the instrument rather from your own emotion and curiosity. "Visual roadmaps" are no good unless they are blueprints of your own inner feelings and methods for making music. No one, seriously interested in learning to play music, should initially be allowed to play any note that is not felt fully justified. That's a big mistake by many music teachers! I think a much better learning attitude would be: "Never play a note that would not be your choice if singing! If in doubt, stay silent." I think "visual roadmaps" can successfully be imagined as tools for working with structured improvisation, but to use them for intonation, phrasing and reacting on musical gestures... jeez, that sounds destructive! Those immediate organic processes should really be left for the "built-in" musical instinct. BTW, I'm not a horn player, I'm a guitar player that picked up horns and air instruments on the side. Until I no longer could tell which instrument is my premier... it's just sound and expression anyway, whatever tool you choose for making noise. > I built my strat when I was 14 years old, in search of the same > elusive tone you mentioned in your post. I actually * did * > reverse the angle of my bridge pickup. What a tremendous > improvement! Thicker trebles and brighter basses! Cool! How interesting to hear that you found the improvement that great! > What's more, I have been using a Telecaster pickup there for the > last several years. I'd like that too! :-) The tele has a better bite to its bridge pickup. Especially those old pickups with more mid tone. per From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 22 16:52:42 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8C89F3BEDE; Tue, 22 May 2007 16:52:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <46531FDB.6030508@hevanet.com> Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 09:52:43 -0700 From: David Auker User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.10 (Windows/20070221) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: clip posted References: <200705052140.l45LeOrJ051176@mail.cruzio.com> <46530448.8040809@hevanet.com> <8ACBC6C9-FF55-45A0-A635-90B174A5BBC1@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <8ACBC6C9-FF55-45A0-A635-90B174A5BBC1@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <7YVKZB.A._aC.a_xUGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70381 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 16:52:42 +0000 (UTC) The music itself speaks to us non-mathists (but I see my Yamaha SY77 has mico-tuning ability, so your chart below provides grist for the mill!). Thanks! David Per Boysen wrote: > On 22 maj 2007, at 16.55, David Auker wrote: >> Per Boysen wrote: >>> (...) my all time fav scale: "Chinese Lu scale by Haui Nan Zi, Han >>> era. (P. Amiot 1780, Kurt Reinhart)". >> >> Can you elaborate on this scale? > > > Well... As from what I hear the third and tenth note are special, > according to the phrasings I mostly do. As from what I can feel the > notes tend to pitch in where I would like them place them myself. As > for a mathematical description, these are the deviations: > > 1: +0,9 > 2: +5,9 > 3: +17,6 > 4: +6,4 > 5: 0,0 (pure fifth) > 6: -1,0 > 7: +3,9 > 8: +15,6 > 9: -5,7 > 10: -2,0 > 11: +8,4 > 12: +2,0 > > per > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 22 16:55:37 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3F2BC3BEDE; Tue, 22 May 2007 16:55:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-SBRS: 4.7 X-RemoteIP: 212.74.114.11 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AgAAAC29UkbUSnILk2dsb2JhbACQFAICBwYIBwUfoUY Message-ID: <46531DFD.5070400@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 17:44:45 +0100 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Input/Feedback LED's level question Last time I try to get help with this. Please help! References: <052220071307.21347.4652EB040000A69D0000536322165514060A040407909C050A0A99@comcast.net> In-Reply-To: <052220071307.21347.4652EB040000A69D0000536322165514060A040407909C050A0A99@comcast.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Antivirus-Scanner: Scanned with ClamAV Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70382 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 16:55:36 +0000 (UTC) weeksville@comcast.net wrote: > > > > right, > > so now try monitoring just the dry signal and check whether you get > distortion > > when the input LED is still green. > > > > andy > > > Thanks for all your help Andy > The input LED seems to work appropriately. No signal distortion until > input led orange/red as it should be. But needless to say when the > input led is orange/red the feedback led is a hot glowing RED. I > remember before the software change I could run the input level a little > hot and the loop level would be a little less. This again was > reflected when I was recording by the input LED being occasionally > yellow/orange but the feedback LED would remain green. I do believe > the feedback LED level is the level of the loop recording even with the > first loop recording although I am being told to ignore that.Who knows. well ok, in this case it's useful, but in a fully functional unit it doesn't tell you anything > Sonically everything seems to be the same. I just have to adjust the > input level down so low that I am concerned I am losing some fidelity by > not maximizing my input headroom. ok next test set a good level on the dry signal. As loud as possible without any distortion. Now tap Record twice, with about 1s between taps. Then turn down feedback to zero. Turn Mix to completely Wet. tap Overdub. Now play something into the unit, and if you like keep an eye on the input LED to make sure you aren't distorting the input. Now, you'll be hearing your playing with a 1Second delay, so have a listen whether it's distorting. I guess it would be, and then it seems like a hardware fault. I don't think think this could be caused by the software upgrade itself, maybe something shorted out or came loose during the swap. Here's what happens with my edp on the same test While playing I/P LED gets to orange, and FB LED also shows orange. When I stop playing I hear the single repeat, and the feedback LED is green. So I'm thinking you have a hardware problem. Before you send it away you might like to 1) check that all the chips in the unit are firmly in place, reseat them if you feel confident to do that. 2) I'd check for some odd high frequency signal getting into the edp. You could try taking it to a different room and just plugging the guitar direct into it to see if the LEDS behave better. andy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 22 17:14:47 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F36F13BF0F; Tue, 22 May 2007 17:14:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) To: Loop List Message-Id: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-10--316579034 From: Steve Lawson Subject: Steve Lawson US tour starts tomorrow! Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 18:14:43 +0100 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - dot1.hosting-ontap.co.uk X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - steve-lawson.co.uk X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: <5d2GUD.A.hwD.GUyUGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70383 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 17:14:46 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-10--316579034 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Hey Loopists, My lil' Eastern/Southern US tour starts tomorrow, in Detroit. Here are the dates, would be lovely to see y'all. All the gigs will feature lots of lovely Looperlativeness, with looped bass and vocals, looping the gorgeous voice of Lobelia - www.myspace.com/lobeliamusic - please email me or see my myspace page for details on any of the shows... cheers! Steve www.stevelawson.net - site www.stevelawson.net/zencart/ - shop http://steve.anthropiccollective.org - blog www.myspace.com/solobassstevelawson --Apple-Mail-10--316579034 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hey Loopists,=A0

My lil' Eastern/Southern US = tour starts tomorrow, in Detroit. Here are the dates, would be lovely to = see y'all. All the gigs will feature lots of lovely Looperlativeness, = with looped bass and vocals, looping the gorgeous voice of Lobelia - www.myspace.com/lobeliamusic<= /A> - please email me or see my myspace page for details on any of the = shows...

www.myspace.com/solobassstevelawson



= --Apple-Mail-10--316579034-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 22 17:17:55 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D98803BF0C; Tue, 22 May 2007 17:17:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) To: Loop List Message-Id: <1080CD36-6F6F-4EA1-86C5-EBA7333F665B@steve-lawson.co.uk> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-12--316390261 From: Steve Lawson Subject: Ooops, here are the actual dates... Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 18:17:52 +0100 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - dot1.hosting-ontap.co.uk X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - steve-lawson.co.uk X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70384 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 17:17:55 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-12--316390261 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed sorry 'bout that... 5.23.07 Low Down Sound, Detroit MI (clinic/masterclass) 5.24.07 Mickey Finn's Pub, Toledo OH 5.25.07 Quinn and Tuite's, Grand Rapids, MI 5.26.07 Four Friends, Grand Rapids MI 5.29.07 Rohs Street Cafe, Cincinnati OH 5.31.07 House Concert/Bass Clinic, Richmond VA 6.01.07 Gallery 64 West, Grafton, WV 6.02.07 Solo Bass House Concert w/ Trip Wamsley and Darren Michaels, Decatur GA 6.09.07 House Concert with Trip Wamsley Sulphur LA 6.14.07 Cafe Caffeine with Brady Muckleroy, Austin, TX 6.15.07 Mochas & Javas with Brady Muckleroy, San Marcos TX Steve www.stevelawson.net - site www.stevelawson.net/zencart/ - shop http://steve.anthropiccollective.org - blog www.myspace.com/solobassstevelawson --Apple-Mail-12--316390261 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 sorry 'bout that...=A0


5.23.07 Low Down = Sound, Detroit MI (clinic/masterclass)
5.24.07 Mickey = Finn's Pub, Toledo OH
5.25.07 Quinn and Tuite's, Grand Rapids, = MI
5.26.07 Four Friends, Grand Rapids = MI
5.29.07 Rohs Street Cafe, Cincinnati = OH
5.31.07 House Concert/Bass Clinic, = Richmond VA
6.01.07 Gallery 64 West, Grafton, = WV
6.02.07 Solo Bass House Concert w/ Trip = Wamsley and Darren Michaels, Decatur GA
6.09.07 House = Concert with Trip Wamsley Sulphur LA
6.14.07 Cafe Caffeine = with Brady Muckleroy, Austin, TX
6.15.07 Mochas = & Javas with Brady Muckleroy, San Marcos TX


http://steve.anthropiccollec= tive.org - = blog
www.myspace.com/solobassstevelawson



= --Apple-Mail-12--316390261-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 22 17:22:54 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 74BFF3BF07; Tue, 22 May 2007 17:22:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=jjbZb6WHmUgpfFDYDKEwpz87eZP2FCzg+XTuc0kcvNrbJHADjnJCKcksOm9MfRTAZtt3sJhcyRCyPtqjZ8/Y7JJUapit1PLz+jH3XnJkrIOhHUYvHUfqJVrliAxgcporK+2lvOQoEN/2SLRpSlzh0sZ+s7mefWVjJHO6Y/YjJsE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=bN2LQoU3bLGIRcHSED+e87NoRNvxx5b6tzFP1KjiTiT9G0uEo5bHUiOhqpDGTXuZJ86b9I/URyv/SPd37Fu6PsB7DkUiy5JnfIE8hSU+NwLWShnqzDu5h+la8sUvEVwVUNkM9kAz4PPHCHkhA4KI7oVnDBIH8KioXdr+OrUjwjA= Message-ID: Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 13:22:51 -0400 From: "Tony K" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Ooops, here are the actual dates... In-Reply-To: <1080CD36-6F6F-4EA1-86C5-EBA7333F665B@steve-lawson.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_103678_25314884.1179854571624" References: <1080CD36-6F6F-4EA1-86C5-EBA7333F665B@steve-lawson.co.uk> Resent-Message-ID: <0h6ss.A.EYE.ubyUGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70385 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 17:22:54 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_103678_25314884.1179854571624 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Hey Steve, This list has you in LA on June 9th, but the myspace site says Marietta OH on that date. I've got some friends near Marietta who might be interested in coming. Tony On 5/22/07, Steve Lawson wrote: > > sorry 'bout that... > > 5.23.07 Low Down Sound, Detroit MI (clinic/masterclass) > 5.24.07 Mickey Finn's Pub, Toledo OH > 5.25.07 Quinn and Tuite's, Grand Rapids, MI > 5.26.07 Four Friends, Grand Rapids MI > 5.29.07 Rohs Street Cafe, Cincinnati OH > 5.31.07 House Concert/Bass Clinic, Richmond VA > 6.01.07 Gallery 64 West, Grafton, WV > 6.02.07 Solo Bass House Concert w/ Trip Wamsley and Darren Michaels, > Decatur GA > 6.09.07 House Concert with Trip Wamsley Sulphur LA > 6.14.07 Cafe Caffeine with Brady Muckleroy, Austin, TX > 6.15.07 Mochas & Javas with Brady Muckleroy, San Marcos TX > > > Steve > www.stevelawson.net - site > www.stevelawson.net/zencart/ - shop > http://steve.anthropiccollective.org - blog > www.myspace.com/solobassstevelawson > > > > -- -==-=-=- Tony ------=_Part_103678_25314884.1179854571624 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Hey Steve,

This list has you in LA on June 9th, but the myspace site says Marietta OH on that date.  I've got some friends near Marietta who might be interested in coming.

Tony

On 5/22/07, Steve Lawson <steve@steve-lawson.co.uk> wrote:
sorry 'bout that... 


5.23.07 Low Down Sound, Detroit MI (clinic/masterclass)
5.24.07 Mickey Finn's Pub, Toledo OH
5.25.07 Quinn and Tuite's, Grand Rapids, MI
5.26.07 Four Friends, Grand Rapids MI
5.29.07 Rohs Street Cafe, Cincinnati OH
5.31.07 House Concert/Bass Clinic, Richmond VA
6.01.07 Gallery 64 West, Grafton, WV
6.02.07 Solo Bass House Concert w/ Trip Wamsley and Darren Michaels, Decatur GA
6.09.07 House Concert with Trip Wamsley Sulphur LA
6.14.07 Cafe Caffeine with Brady Muckleroy, Austin, TX
6.15.07 Mochas & Javas with Brady Muckleroy, San Marcos TX




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Tony ------=_Part_103678_25314884.1179854571624-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 22 17:40:19 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D6C863BF04; Tue, 22 May 2007 17:40:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=sAMLN3JEwyGJ8z4punlxW+qmeYxfRVqjnLFgmnR7uRERXLVaN4WsBkz8TU5L4Tl/ip+B8F4HAw9ech0/sZiv1q3P5RRYV0EDQJsNXJwbIujKQGwnR9z5BYk6HOtciaMDrHP1B6FC6gsc1XuqCo+sZEmMVnbCJBvb+kADaFejV8M= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=YaXdJZ53a+52T6I5lKjro2exXUehMt6kNuk87Kw63qOVTJqv/ZluoBK9T1x++xQ6p4I7ZoslfJWnyAz8q8xdjyXs7liEiiQY2JV2262rvRPiyUbMPnPP33IG0u0DSAuyc8LfmtdLz30z5KEQcfZieHlARNim3wb4EzEa/FY0X+8= Message-ID: <60d70c8d0705221040q6420b5a9v1039f82e21737143@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 11:40:17 -0600 From: "francisco prado" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: cheapest unit or way to sync to the EDP? In-Reply-To: <682DE00C-29B6-410A-822A-3DEE98ECF48E@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_47607_11238790.1179855617768" References: <60d70c8d0705220808v5096cfc4ofc2a4185a7126191@mail.gmail.com> <682DE00C-29B6-410A-822A-3DEE98ECF48E@gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: <9Gsd-B.A.BaF.DsyUGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70386 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 17:40:19 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_47607_11238790.1179855617768 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline I can't seem to get Ableton to work as a master, it seemed to need an external sync. Am I incorrect about that? F On 5/22/07, Per Boysen wrote: > > On 22 maj 2007, at 17.08, francisco prado wrote: > > > I've synced ableton to the EDP, but I have not been able to sync > > the EDP > > to ableton (i.e. the EDP has to be the master). I have found this > > to be somewhat > > unreliable, however. I tend to lose sync every once and a while, > > Ableton > > complains and runs at whatever tempo it wants to. I am running the > > MIDI > > into an M-audio axiom and across the USB to my PC, so perhaps that is > > why MIDI sync is lost. > > > No, Ableton Live sucks as a MIDI slave. It's documented by many, even > technically described, and I have personally suffered from it in the > past. It's better to set Live as the master, because the EDP is an > excellent tempo follower as long as the tempo doesn't change. I've > been running a laptop with Live plus EDP for many live gigs in that > setup and it has never let me down. > > However, since Eben is the lucky owner of an EDP I'd like to suggest > running the EDP out of sync. My own experiences form that are very > good. The longer loop you catch the longer time the EDP will stay in > sync with the music. It's easy to set a new tempo by ending Overdub > or Multiply with Record. Might sound a bit fishy though if you have a > loop going with groovy material, at least until you get around to > record new tempo accurate audio into the loop. > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > www.looproom.com (international) > http://www.myspace.com/looproom > http://www.jamendo.com/en/artist/per.boysen/ > http://www.jamendo.com/en/artist/lo.fi.lazer/ > > > > ------=_Part_47607_11238790.1179855617768 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline I can't seem to get Ableton to work as a master, it seemed to need
an external sync.  Am I incorrect about that?
F

On 5/22/07, Per Boysen < perboysen@gmail.com> wrote:
On 22 maj 2007, at 17.08, francisco prado wrote:

> I've synced ableton to the EDP, but I have not been able to sync
> the EDP
> to ableton (i.e. the EDP has to be the master). I have found this
> to be somewhat
> unreliable, however.  I tend to lose sync every once and a while,
> Ableton
> complains and runs at whatever tempo it wants to.  I am running the
> MIDI
> into an M-audio axiom and across the USB to my PC, so perhaps that is
> why MIDI sync is lost.


No, Ableton Live sucks as a MIDI slave. It's documented by many, even
technically described, and I have personally suffered from it in the
past. It's better to set Live as the master, because the EDP is an
excellent tempo follower as long as the tempo doesn't change. I've
been running a laptop with Live plus EDP for many live gigs in that
setup and it has never let me down.

However, since Eben is the lucky owner of an EDP I'd like to suggest
running the EDP out of sync. My own experiences form that are very
good. The longer loop you catch the longer time the EDP will stay in
sync with the music. It's easy to set a new tempo by ending Overdub
or Multiply with Record. Might sound a bit fishy though if you have a
loop going with groovy material, at least until you get around to
record new tempo accurate audio into the loop.

Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
www.boysen.se (Swedish)
www.looproom.com (international)
http://www.myspace.com/looproom
http://www.jamendo.com/en/artist/per.boysen/
http://www.jamendo.com/en/artist/lo.fi.lazer/




------=_Part_47607_11238790.1179855617768-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 22 17:56:02 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 05B3F3BF0C; Tue, 22 May 2007 17:56:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <01b001c79c9a$73b81910$f8b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Sound, Images, & Video from the 2nd Annual Boise Experimental Music Festival Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 11:55:56 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_01AD_01C79C68.28122C80" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70387 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 17:56:01 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_01AD_01C79C68.28122C80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello all, For your viewing and hearing pleasure, here is the first installment of = images, video, and MP3 for the 2nd Annual Boise Experimental Music = Festival. I am mastering files as quickly as I can, so I'll more MP3s later. The = same for the videos, from Tarey P., our video/photography expert. Cheers, Kris ******************************** Images - http://www.boisemusicians.com/BEMF-2/images.htm (click on "View = All Images" links to complete slidshows) MP3 & Video - http://www.boisemusicians.com/BEMF-2/sound.htm Thursday Krispen Hartung & Vincent Miresse MP3 - http://www.box.net/shared/static/csytbaa8up.mp3 Video: http://www.box.net/shared/static/1lx9uuagr9.wmv Craig Green=20 MP3- http://www.box.net/shared/static/5bht9f1boa.mp3 Video: http://www.box.net/shared/static/60vzf0ov3c.wmv Amy Vecchione=20 MP3 - http://www.box.net/shared/static/ffexbmomg9.mp3 Video: http://www.box.net/shared/static/7igsddqnok.wmv Friday Moe! Staiano & Z'EV=20 MP3 - http://www.box.net/shared/static/27sid3mvqq.mp3 Stefan Smulovitz=20 Ted Killian=20 MP3 - http://www.box.net/shared/static/nyil458476.mp3 Jeff Kaiser & Gregory Tayor - Sample clip on the way from Jeff Rob Price & David Grollman=20 Saturday Lumper-Splitter & Krispen Hartung=20 MP3 - http://www.box.net/shared/static/svuzr2k33f.mp3 Jeff Kaiser & Gregory Tayor - Sample clip on the way from Jeff Stefan Smulovitz & Rick Walker -=20 Krispen Hartung & Robert Sterling=20 MP3 - http://www.box.net/shared/static/by9g7tmv96.mp3 Rob Price & David Grollman -=20 Breccia -=20 Unicorn Feather - Patrick Benolkin -=20 Jared Hallock - Gretchen Jude -=20 Margaret Noble & Edyta Stepien - Tom Baker & Jesse Canterbury Lumper-Splitter Clip 1: http://www.box.net/shared/static/5lj6kj9ca8.mp3 Clip 2: http://www.box.net/shared/static/l0yi7tryar.mp3 The Transhumans=20 MP3 - http://www.box.net/shared/static/f5gzovxxjz.mp3 Rick Walker -=20 *************************************************************************= * Krispen Hartung www.krispenhartung.com / www.myspace.com/krispenhartung info@krispenhartung.com=20 Discography - http://www.krispenhartung.com/catalogue.htm CD Baby Discography: http://cdbaby.com/all/khartung ------=_NextPart_000_01AD_01C79C68.28122C80 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hello all,
 
For your viewing and hearing pleasure, = here is the=20 first installment of images, video, and MP3 for the 2nd Annual Boise=20 Experimental Music Festival.
 
I am mastering files as quickly as I = can, so I'll=20 more MP3s later. The same for the videos, from Tarey P., our = video/photography=20 expert.
 
Cheers,
 
Kris
 
********************************
 
Images - http://www.boise= musicians.com/BEMF-2/images.htm (click=20 on "View All Images" links to complete slidshows)
MP3 & Video - http://www.boisem= usicians.com/BEMF-2/sound.htm


Thursday

Krispen Hartung & = Vincent=20 Miresse
    MP3 - http://www.box.n= et/shared/static/csytbaa8up.mp3
    Video: http://www.box.n= et/shared/static/1lx9uuagr9.wmv
Craig Green
    Video: http://www.box.n= et/shared/static/60vzf0ov3c.wmv
Amy Vecchione
    MP3 - = http://www.box.n= et/shared/static/ffexbmomg9.mp3
    Video: http://www.box.n= et/shared/static/7igsddqnok.wmv

Friday

Moe! Staiano = & Z'EV=20
    MP3 - = http://www.box.net/shared/static/27sid3mvqq.mp3
Stefan=20 Smulovitz
Ted Killian
    MP3 - = http://www.box.net/shared/static/nyil458476.mp3
Jeff Kaiser & Gregory Tayor - Sample clip on the way = from=20 Jeff
Rob Price & David Grollman=20

Saturday

Lumper-Splitter & Krispen = Hartung=20
    MP3 - = http://www.box.net/shared/static/svuzr2k33f.mp3
Jeff Kaiser & Gregory Tayor - Sample clip on = the way from=20 Jeff
Stefan Smulovitz & Rick Walker -
Krispen Hartung & = Robert=20 Sterling
    MP3 - http://www.box.net/shared/static/by9g7tmv96.mp3
Rob Price & David Grollman -
Breccia - =
Unicorn=20 Feather -
Patrick Benolkin -
Jared Hallock -
Gretchen Jude -=20
Margaret Noble & Edyta Stepien -
Tom Baker & Jesse=20 Canterbury
Lumper-Splitter
    Clip 1: = http://www.box.n= et/shared/static/5lj6kj9ca8.mp3
    Clip 2: = http://www.box.net/shared/static/l0yi7tryar.mp3
The Transhumans
    MP3 - = http://www.box.net/shared/static/f5gzovxxjz.mp3
Rick Walker -=20


*************************************************************= *************
Krispen=20 Hartung
www.krispenhartung.com /=20 www.myspace.com/krispenhar= tung
info@krispenhartung.com=20
Discography - http://www.krispenha= rtung.com/catalogue.htm
CD=20 Baby Discography: http://cdbaby.com/all/khartung=20
------=_NextPart_000_01AD_01C79C68.28122C80-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 22 17:59:02 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 925783BF12; Tue, 22 May 2007 17:59:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) To: Loop List Message-Id: <9A3CF0AA-2FE2-4D15-AA7C-CD4F63CEA2E7@steve-lawson.co.uk> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-15--313926236 From: Steve Lawson Subject: Re: Ooops, here are the actual dates... Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 18:58:56 +0100 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - dot1.hosting-ontap.co.uk X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - steve-lawson.co.uk X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70388 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 17:59:02 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-15--313926236 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed >>>This list has you in LA on June 9th, but the myspace site says Marietta OH on that date. I've got some friends near Marietta who might be interested in coming.<<< Hi Tony, sorry, should've clarified that - I'm playing in Louisiana on the 9th, Lobelia's flying back to Ohio for a solo gig on the 9th and then rejoining me on the 10th. :o) Steve www.stevelawson.net - site www.stevelawson.net/zencart/ - shop http://steve.anthropiccollective.org - blog www.myspace.com/solobassstevelawson --Apple-Mail-15--313926236 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 >>>This list has you in = LA on June 9th, but the myspace site says Marietta OH on that date.=A0 = I've got some friends near Marietta who might be interested in = coming.<<<

Hi Tony,=A0

sorry, should've clarified = that - I'm playing in Louisiana on the 9th, Lobelia's flying back to = Ohio for a solo gig on the 9th and then rejoining me on the 10th. = :o)=A0

http://steve.anthropiccollec= tive.org - = blog
www.myspace.com/solobassstevelawson



= --Apple-Mail-15--313926236-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 22 18:20:08 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E604B3BF0C; Tue, 22 May 2007 18:20:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=DrIFC672MWPQcdDQI5MI2r0SP76g+tLVAs8gtYd1CJU+p8/dIkGyhqWu1oJWQ4QZ6qsoycMhrzr1IHRKdpiZsiI1uWA+iJJyyaWeTJvqlIlVY54Iz0KJFswsPnfEQjNkGbQH4wrJg5E5QvtLGSsaT/zeg+8uR0URz4aFyr2uOOQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=AcJLbh1GAewvl2BSCAvXiUlQ1LjaRX6LZ4CYYpeHHH+9S2xxE3KrZLINOZjyQrqf3AP7PjkA/ho8d/5YVK7D4bsOAqBqJLCgvTZf4zx7rqHwMZCcuXxxOHBKbBirJYnbxRqEpX46vX6yyqLKOLHr8jiJ7QPrmZusxUGwOhllqzU= Message-ID: Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 14:20:05 -0400 From: "Tony K" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Ooops, here are the actual dates... In-Reply-To: <9A3CF0AA-2FE2-4D15-AA7C-CD4F63CEA2E7@steve-lawson.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_104338_6987463.1179858005888" References: <9A3CF0AA-2FE2-4D15-AA7C-CD4F63CEA2E7@steve-lawson.co.uk> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70389 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 18:20:07 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_104338_6987463.1179858005888 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline ah rats. Oh well. thanks, Tony On 5/22/07, Steve Lawson wrote: > > >>>This list has you in LA on June 9th, but the myspace site says Marietta > OH on that date. I've got some friends near Marietta who might be > interested in coming.<<< > Hi Tony, > > sorry, should've clarified that - I'm playing in Louisiana on the 9th, > Lobelia's flying back to Ohio for a solo gig on the 9th and then rejoining > me on the 10th. :o) > > Steve > www.stevelawson.net - site > www.stevelawson.net/zencart/ - shop > http://steve.anthropiccollective.org - blog > www.myspace.com/solobassstevelawson > > > > -- -==-=-=- Tony ------=_Part_104338_6987463.1179858005888 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline ah rats.  Oh well. 

thanks,

Tony

On 5/22/07, Steve Lawson <steve@steve-lawson.co.uk> wrote:
>>>This list has you in LA on June 9th, but the myspace site says Marietta OH on that date.  I've got some friends near Marietta who might be interested in coming.<<<

Hi Tony, 

sorry, should've clarified that - I'm playing in Louisiana on the 9th, Lobelia's flying back to Ohio for a solo gig on the 9th and then rejoining me on the 10th. :o) 



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In-Reply-To: <60d70c8d0705221040q6420b5a9v1039f82e21737143@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <60d70c8d0705220808v5096cfc4ofc2a4185a7126191@mail.gmail.com> <682DE00C-29B6-410A-822A-3DEE98ECF48E@gmail.com> <60d70c8d0705221040q6420b5a9v1039f82e21737143@mail.gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70390 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 18:38:40 +0000 (UTC) My friend has the new pedal version of the jamman by digitech, not the original one. It doesn't have midi (although it does have a USB, I think just usable for dumping saved loops onto a computer). I'll tell him to look into Ableton. But are there any other older units with midi syncing (like the original jamman?) that are decent and could be found for relatively cheap these days? On 5/22/07, francisco prado wrote: > I can't seem to get Ableton to work as a master, it seemed to need > an external sync. Am I incorrect about that? > F > > > On 5/22/07, Per Boysen < perboysen@gmail.com> wrote: > > On 22 maj 2007, at 17.08, francisco prado wrote: > > > > > I've synced ableton to the EDP, but I have not been able to sync > > > the EDP > > > to ableton (i.e. the EDP has to be the master). I have found this > > > to be somewhat > > > unreliable, however. I tend to lose sync every once and a while, > > > Ableton > > > complains and runs at whatever tempo it wants to. I am running the > > > MIDI > > > into an M-audio axiom and across the USB to my PC, so perhaps that is > > > why MIDI sync is lost. > > > > > > No, Ableton Live sucks as a MIDI slave. It's documented by many, even > > technically described, and I have personally suffered from it in the > > past. It's better to set Live as the master, because the EDP is an > > excellent tempo follower as long as the tempo doesn't change. I've > > been running a laptop with Live plus EDP for many live gigs in that > > setup and it has never let me down. > > > > However, since Eben is the lucky owner of an EDP I'd like to suggest > > running the EDP out of sync. My own experiences form that are very > > good. The longer loop you catch the longer time the EDP will stay in > > sync with the music. It's easy to set a new tempo by ending Overdub > > or Multiply with Record. Might sound a bit fishy though if you have a > > loop going with groovy material, at least until you get around to > > record new tempo accurate audio into the loop. > > > > Greetings from Sweden > > > > Per Boysen > > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > > www.looproom.com (international) > > http://www.myspace.com/looproom > > http://www.jamendo.com/en/artist/per.boysen/ > > http://www.jamendo.com/en/artist/lo.fi.lazer/ > > > > > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 22 19:11:29 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D210C3BEE4; Tue, 22 May 2007 19:11:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <20070519015626.16654.qmail@web32713.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20070519015626.16654.qmail@web32713.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <753E7DAF-D8F5-4A43-AD00-A52195AA59E4@zerocrossing.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Mark Sottilaro Subject: Re: Flow and Electronic Musical Instrument Design Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 12:11:07 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70391 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 19:11:29 +0000 (UTC) I always wish I could do what I do (Guitar/Keys/Devices) sitting as it's more comfortable for my guitar playing, but I just can't easily get to everything I need to get to that way.... I need to design some sort of super chair/pedal setup. Mark On May 18, 2007, at 6:56 PM, bill bigrig wrote: > Howdy, > > I prefer sitting for keyboards, standing for guitar > as my homade axe is rather clumsy while seated, but > for vocals, time and time again I get the best results > while standing. i don't know why but comparing tracks > always sounds better for me while standing, > Rig > > > --- Richard Sales wrote: > >> Hi QUa >> >> I know for playing guitar sitting is WAY better than >> standing for me. >> My body can move, but I don't have to worry about >> keeping myself >> vertical! I think most guitarists would agree, but >> most stand up so >> they can be seen above the crowd. Also, it's harder >> to do the windmill >> guitar moves sitting down. And of course, sitting >> is the tried and >> true method of playing keyboards (piano). I've done >> it standing up >> (organ & synth), but sitting is so much better, >> especially after a few >> beers. >> >> I think possibly it might be easier to work floor >> pedals standing up, >> though. >> >> I think correct posture when sitting is critical for >> me. I've seen >> great guitarists sit wrong and they seem to be fine. >> But they're young >> and the bones and muscles are still too intimidated >> by the vigor of >> youth to make their statement. But, given time, >> they will. And when >> they do, OUCH! >> >> I think flow is mostly in our minds. Certainly, >> that which stops flow >> is in our minds. Moving the body sometimes seems to >> shut down that >> part of the mind that stops flow. But it doesn't >> have to be jumping >> jacks. >> >> richard sales >> glassWing farm and studio >> vancouver island, b.c. >> 800.545.6846 >> 250.752.4816 >> www.glassWing.com >> www.richardsales.com >> www.hayleysales.com >> www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com >> On 18-May-07, at 2:02 PM, Qua Veda wrote: >>> >>> What do you think - does sitting in a relatively >> fixed position, at a >>> computer, or set of control surfaces help or >> hinder Flow ? >>> -Qua >> > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > ______________ > Need Mail bonding? > Go to the Yahoo! Mail Q&A for great tips from Yahoo! Answers users. > http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=list&sid=396546091 > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 22 19:29:39 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A59273BEF8; Tue, 22 May 2007 19:29:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=WOzg5PmMS0dhNAW/SFPpAoM5SOOga+UK4Uz9liz5PxNmiC1dsDZYL/0J56+1OLTXprnD2PPtKBtMb/jrQ7WQz2+tBcI9inn7R7hEWkRG5f/ztnZeLowV+G3WC67yfMZZK5DddoUQ7/6psY1fSEKh6G5XHhfJr4mt9NMqQdaLV14= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=MwqlQeCK7WyPbkcQscD4IMnNw/ruDsb0Ubk3IIVhYy9G+cwfsFZRHc2ThBhzgg0AMUXbWx0QVGDzyKRnJXf8s9rX7uRVF+na1Jy8oaW4Qf8zqIOiEc9tyIT+ohVcNdqEeyGSUYus0+/BKlkKNa16iKPVQ3VMZ/MGvJrOql1/Jio= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <60d70c8d0705221040q6420b5a9v1039f82e21737143@mail.gmail.com> References: <60d70c8d0705220808v5096cfc4ofc2a4185a7126191@mail.gmail.com> <682DE00C-29B6-410A-822A-3DEE98ECF48E@gmail.com> <60d70c8d0705221040q6420b5a9v1039f82e21737143@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: cheapest unit or way to sync to the EDP? Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 21:29:20 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70392 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 19:29:39 +0000 (UTC) On 22 maj 2007, at 19.40, francisco prado wrote: > I can't seem to get Ableton to work as a master, it seemed to need > an external sync. Am I incorrect about that? Go into Live's preferences. Find the "MIDI sync" tab. Enable one MIDI output as the sync output. Physically plug a MIDI cable into that port and the other end into the EDP's MIDI input. Set the EDP to "sync: in". Start Ableton. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://www.myspace.com/looproom http://www.jamendo.com/en/artist/per.boysen/ http://www.jamendo.com/en/artist/lo.fi.lazer/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 22 19:32:57 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D44D23BF0A; Tue, 22 May 2007 19:32:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=upUrmiwHtz86rrdELJdTRLA4iv+2D6fAFy2y6F0mzCKBEw4glOU3TfEl8aaWD64m6CyNj7SRJOTJVz1ZlssoCGOzFMhVmX12aNQPum7P8vpVTl9IAO+wmgp5GtcOcA3renUnKWeAbJft7xrf1g/hl/JqKvk7Vz4eZ94O/2QMxMs= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=A4yjnFmNatJpVsp++1aLsr6JO2fMuraR9qm5bANx38YXIBBqnGbg3/j1Ub0gt/F30jPmmf6I9vfi1r0Zs7dYVw6Cr9uE1tORvy5UHWQnhJDdqEOddtHrhp7fFjANnttftaWGt0RQAd/e5SwL8DVOhe1g7cNeLhi6DK+8MKz/iyk= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <60d70c8d0705221040q6420b5a9v1039f82e21737143@mail.gmail.com> References: <60d70c8d0705220808v5096cfc4ofc2a4185a7126191@mail.gmail.com> <682DE00C-29B6-410A-822A-3DEE98ECF48E@gmail.com> <60d70c8d0705221040q6420b5a9v1039f82e21737143@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <12DD0E07-CA1A-4491-8E4D-073827CFBB88@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: cheapest unit or way to sync to the EDP? Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 21:32:53 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70393 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 19:32:57 +0000 (UTC) On 22 maj 2007, at 19.40, francisco prado wrote: > I can't seem to get Ableton to work as a master, it seemed to need > an external sync. Am I incorrect about that? ...oh, and if you, by "cheapest", want to hint at not yet having a MIDI interface on your computer I can recommend this one: http://www.audiotrak.net/xpmidi.htm. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://www.myspace.com/looproom http://www.jamendo.com/en/artist/per.boysen/ http://www.jamendo.com/en/artist/lo.fi.lazer/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 22 19:40:02 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2B17F3BF0D; Tue, 22 May 2007 19:40:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=lWQq8RYUW+Fh7WTcWycp8VdCrzRkW8D/j5Q2ULzeMbamm46/yaPW6sJQh7CWhv8c4UUpdZFcwAkS02juNsNbTwUAjO7z1PAtqtsYkFiVMBliKnr4JtiPfBKyL3VU+zNjvrF4IyfxCpDxOA6JnsU9keopk3OILqDJUzTggCtIrkY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=c1fvXXiLYq/HiB85zshUxOBAktv+U5bFXr5e3ezgFDALbasZZABTox5wPoymaSVErvVMwFHJnsFuvJN55BKj1xAJsMeWjS4BG+EH5b3CgwoV/JB0+FcjOEBif8KQyY627NzHgIvKHXQ+YaGq42jd37TTG8SLGF+HJldV8JbD5Pg= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <753E7DAF-D8F5-4A43-AD00-A52195AA59E4@zerocrossing.net> References: <20070519015626.16654.qmail@web32713.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <753E7DAF-D8F5-4A43-AD00-A52195AA59E4@zerocrossing.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <150B10DB-A0C4-4C8D-A8E7-49BE4BFD4318@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Flow and Electronic Musical Instrument Design Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 21:39:56 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70394 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 19:40:02 +0000 (UTC) On 22 maj 2007, at 21.11, Mark Sottilaro wrote: > sitting i can't go with the force when sitting... got to stand to get the music right. but sitting sure is more efficient when playing guitar, since you can use both feet on pedals - which sets you better off as a loopist. but music means more than looping so I keep standing anyway. And BTW, when playing an EWI you may skip over the volume pedal and blow the levels instead ;-) p From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 22 20:06:00 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 495663BEFC; Tue, 22 May 2007 20:06:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <01f101c79cac$9c4b7f90$f8b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <9e0440a60705161111w22cf31a2x6a0c44ca74c5fc10@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: link to recent GP article on Y2K + Sound Clips Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 14:05:55 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_01EE_01C79C7A.5080F400" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70395 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 20:06:00 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_01EE_01C79C7A.5080F400 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello all, If you are one of those who like to have audio mixed with your visual, = below are the Y2K6 MP3 links associated with the pictures in the artcle = below. They go from left to right, like reading sheet music. Kris http://www.chinapaintingmusic.com/production/GP_Y2K6_LoopFest.pdf Bill Walker http://www.box.net/shared/static/kyv4p7r6x7.mp3 http://www.box.net/shared/static/eocjkiaqib.mp3 http://www.box.net/shared/static/lhm4okjtvm.mp3 Genie http://www.box.net/shared/static/33u9ddlgqs.mp3 http://www.box.net/shared/static/f3ch9kzvzs.mp3 http://www.box.net/shared/static/2shl3aqkmh.mp3 http://www.box.net/shared/static/drnk98zv38.mp3 http://www.box.net/shared/static/agn8ns1oe7.mp3 http://www.box.net/shared/static/2n1qp5ujpb.mp3 Ted Killian http://www.box.net/shared/static/jniusjifyy.mp3 (with Rick Walker) http://www.box.net/shared/static/sxbea3295z.mp3 (with Rick Walker) Krispen Hartung & Rick Walker http://www.box.net/shared/static/e2do3da2xj.mp3 http://www.box.net/shared/static/d0vossdudn.mp3 http://www.box.net/shared/static/335zl4juov.mp3 Carl Weingarten http://www.box.net/shared/static/9cm4o212g4.mp3 http://www.box.net/shared/static/o4fpeyvp4s.mp3 http://www.box.net/shared/static/peop4hbatk.mp3 Looper's Delight Forum (Kim Flint) http://www.box.net/shared/static/cu95nvohg8.mp3 Lumper-Splitter http://www.box.net/shared/static/jauf6nzmtv.mp3 ----- Original Message -----=20 Hello to all. I sent this yesterday but learned that the attachment = possibly was stripped out so here's a link to a scan of the recent GP = article on Y2K6. Many have talked about this and don't know if all can = get the magazine easily so here's a look. Great spread and congrads to = Rick/Bill and all those who got "ink" on this. As echo'd earlier it was = just very cool and inspiring for me to get to be part of this in a = remote sense and begin my involvement with LD.=20 http://www.chinapaintingmusic.com/production/GP_Y2K6_LoopFest.pdf Cheers from NY... Jim www.jimgoodinmusic.com www.chinapaintingmusic.com --=20 The Acoustic World Guitar of Jim Goodin - = http://www.jimgoodinmusic.com MySpace (solo) - http://www.myspace.com/jimgoodinmusic=20 Chinapainting - http://www.chinapaintingmusic.com Chinapainting on My Space - http://www.myspace.com/chinapaintingmusic.com=20 The Jim Goodin label and home for 7 other creative souls - = http://www.woodandwiremusic.com=20 Jim Goodin uses GHS Strings - http://www.ghsstrings.com and Seagull = Guitars - http://www.seagullguitars.com, Jim Goodin is published by Mel = Bay Publications, Inc. - http://www.melbay.com Associates and friends on the web - Daryl Shawn - http://www.swanwelder.com Adam Werner - http://www.adamwerner.com John Stowell - http://www.johnstowell.com Matt Richards - http://www.mattrichardsmusic.net Michael Manring - http://www.manthing.com Will Ackerman - http://www.williamackerman.com New Land Music - http://www.newlandmusic.com ------=_NextPart_000_01EE_01C79C7A.5080F400 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hello all,
 
If you are one of those who like to = have audio=20 mixed with your visual, below are the Y2K6 MP3 links associated with the = pictures in the artcle below. They go from left to right, like reading = sheet=20 music.
 
Kris
 
http://www.chinapaintingmusic.com/production/GP_Y2K6_LoopFest.pdf
 
 
Bill Walker
http://www.box.n= et/shared/static/kyv4p7r6x7.mp3
http://www.box.n= et/shared/static/eocjkiaqib.mp3
http://www.box.n= et/shared/static/lhm4okjtvm.mp3
 
Genie
http://www.box.n= et/shared/static/33u9ddlgqs.mp3
http://www.box.n= et/shared/static/f3ch9kzvzs.mp3
http://www.box.n= et/shared/static/2shl3aqkmh.mp3
http://www.box.n= et/shared/static/drnk98zv38.mp3
http://www.box.n= et/shared/static/agn8ns1oe7.mp3
http://www.box.n= et/shared/static/2n1qp5ujpb.mp3
 
Ted Killian
http://www.box.n= et/shared/static/jniusjifyy.mp3 (with=20 Rick Walker)
http://www.box.n= et/shared/static/sxbea3295z.mp3 (with=20 Rick Walker)
 
Krispen Hartung & Rick = Walker
http://www.box.n= et/shared/static/e2do3da2xj.mp3
http://www.box.n= et/shared/static/d0vossdudn.mp3
http://www.box.n= et/shared/static/335zl4juov.mp3
 
Carl Weingarten
http://www.box.n= et/shared/static/9cm4o212g4.mp3
http://www.box.n= et/shared/static/o4fpeyvp4s.mp3
http://www.box.n= et/shared/static/peop4hbatk.mp3
 
Looper's Delight Forum (Kim = Flint)
http://www.box.n= et/shared/static/cu95nvohg8.mp3
 
Lumper-Splitter
http://www.box.n= et/shared/static/jauf6nzmtv.mp3
----- Original Message -----
 

Hello to all.  I sent this yesterday but learned that the = attachment=20 possibly was stripped out so here's a link to a scan of the recent GP = article=20 on Y2K6.  Many have talked about this and don't know if all can = get the=20 magazine easily so here's a look.  Great spread and congrads to = Rick/Bill=20 and all those who got "ink" on this.  As echo'd earlier it was = just very=20 cool and inspiring for me to get to be part of this in a remote = sense and=20 begin my involvement with LD.
 
http://www.chinapaintingmusic.com/production/GP_Y2K6_LoopFest.pdf
 
Cheers from NY...
 
Jim
www.chinapaintingmusic.com=


--
The Acoustic World Guitar of Jim=20 Goodin  - http://www.jimgoodinmusic.com<= BR>MySpace=20 (solo) - http://www.myspace.com/jim= goodinmusic=20
Chinapainting -
http://www.chinapaintingmusic.= com
Chinapainting=20 on My Space -
http://www.myspace= .com/chinapaintingmusic.com=20
The Jim Goodin label and home for 7 other creative souls - http://www.woodandwiremusic.com<= /A>=20
Jim Goodin uses GHS Strings - http://www.ghsstrings.com and = Seagull=20 Guitars - http://www.seagullguitars.com,= Jim=20 Goodin is published by Mel Bay Publications, Inc. - http://www.melbay.com

Associate= s and=20 friends on the web -
Daryl Shawn -
http://www.swanwelder.com
Adam = Werner=20 - http://www.adamwerner.com
John = Stowell - http://www.johnstowell.com
Mat= t=20 Richards - http://www.mattrichardsmusic.ne= t
Michael=20 Manring - http://www.manthing.com
Will = Ackerman -=20 http://www.williamackerman.com
New=20 Land Music - http://www.newlandmusic.com=20
------=_NextPart_000_01EE_01C79C7A.5080F400-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 22 20:13:12 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 07B3B3BF13; Tue, 22 May 2007 20:13:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: <12DD0E07-CA1A-4491-8E4D-073827CFBB88@gmail.com> References: <60d70c8d0705220808v5096cfc4ofc2a4185a7126191@mail.gmail.com> <682DE00C-29B6-410A-822A-3DEE98ECF48E@gmail.com> <60d70c8d0705221040q6420b5a9v1039f82e21737143@mail.gmail.com> <12DD0E07-CA1A-4491-8E4D-073827CFBB88@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Bernhard Wagner LD Subject: Re: cheapest unit or way to sync to the EDP? Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 22:13:07 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70396 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 20:13:11 +0000 (UTC) How I hate it when they advertise it as "16 channel". If it didn't support 16 channels it wouldn't be MIDI, dammit. I sometimes wonder how stupid people think we are. On 22.05.2007, at 21:32, Per Boysen wrote: > > ...oh, and if you, by "cheapest", want to hint at not yet having a > MIDI interface on your computer I can recommend this one: > http://www.audiotrak.net/xpmidi.htm. > > Greetings from Sweden > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 22 20:22:55 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AAB3D3BF17; Tue, 22 May 2007 20:22:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <187786EE-A685-4981-9E45-37306634B030@gmail.com> References: <187786EE-A685-4981-9E45-37306634B030@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 16:22:16 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Charles Zwicky Subject: Re: Visual roadmaps suck (Re: Pers latest clip) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-ELNK-Trace: e070562f4b6af5994d2b10475b571120e241beadbb9c99a4dd4518cff3e6cb1092764449e275203c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 69.86.208.154 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70397 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 20:22:55 +0000 (UTC) I started live as a wind / horn player and switched later in life to guitar (OK, at age 8). I was fascinated to hear a tape that Jon Hassell played during an interview which contained some of his lessons with his indian vocal teacher. Vocalizing, note shapes and colors. 'Shredding' is at it's -best- like Jackson Pollock, it can be quite valid, too... I suppose. >On 22 maj 2007, at 16.50, Charles Zwicky wrote: > >>Sounds like you hit the nail on the head there. I've always felt >>that horn players had a certain advantage over keyboard and guitar >>players. One simple way to describe the phenomenon is that the lack >>of visual 'roadmaps' require that the player must hear th licks in >>their head before playing them, often resulting in more of a human >>vocal quality to the resuling music. > >What you describe as a "horn player related phenomenon" is IMHO the >starting point from where any person should begin learning to play >any instrument. It's a big mistake to start out making sounds that >come from the instrument rather from your own emotion and curiosity. >"Visual roadmaps" are no good unless they are blueprints of your own >inner feelings and methods for making music. No one, seriously >interested in learning to play music, should initially be allowed to >play any note that is not felt fully justified. That's a big mistake >by many music teachers! I think a much better learning attitude >would be: "Never play a note that would not be your choice if >singing! If in doubt, stay silent." > >I think "visual roadmaps" can successfully be imagined as tools for >working with structured improvisation, but to use them for >intonation, phrasing and reacting on musical gestures... jeez, that >sounds destructive! Those immediate organic processes should really >be left for the "built-in" musical instinct. > >BTW, I'm not a horn player, I'm a guitar player that picked up horns >and air instruments on the side. Until I no longer could tell which >instrument is my premier... it's just sound and expression anyway, >whatever tool you choose for making noise. > >>I built my strat when I was 14 years old, in search of the same >>elusive tone you mentioned in your post. I actually * did * >>reverse the angle of my bridge pickup. What a tremendous >>improvement! Thicker trebles and brighter basses! > >Cool! How interesting to hear that you found the improvement that great! > >>What's more, I have been using a Telecaster pickup there for the >>last several years. > >I'd like that too! :-) The tele has a better bite to its bridge >pickup. Especially those old pickups with more mid tone. > >per -- ... http://www.zmix.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 22 20:43:34 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 400D43BEFE; Tue, 22 May 2007 20:43:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=hjiQA6PCpK35jywS/wwOWMlrV6uXmvsDQatcmUI0wbpTmKoius7k/Oj7wt9bDFq6bnVzygqqLID76zX/TRxrzSE7rv8Xwrym3uevZstKUhZpvfST4VGAIwreqR04QAXTRXnk/+wj3TIXcp/OmURlx5wJQgCzyXIiOH2qt7oZbAA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=HZ04KmrJIEy1iIAsqrW+T/kmSiJHuHtXxrFIIl08LnWHdRk7JUbSffyQGV/J1Y++K30NexvmoNv8AxGoxfpuEpuWrsscv17oOUUnDa+CCFp363dY1FLnS2ffKOsux5wypfaYbW5WAEQ/XQg/qN8k0mywIWa6L4o10XhDaQCFOow= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: References: <187786EE-A685-4981-9E45-37306634B030@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Visual roadmaps suck (Re: Pers latest clip) Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 22:43:31 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: <-Whxu.A.-3B.1X1UGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70398 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 20:43:34 +0000 (UTC) On 22 maj 2007, at 22.22, Charles Zwicky wrote: > I started live as a wind / horn player and switched later in life > to guitar (OK, at age 8). > I was fascinated to hear a tape that Jon Hassell played during an > interview which contained some of his lessons with his indian vocal > teacher. Vocalizing, note shapes and colors. 'Shredding' is at it's > -best- like Jackson Pollock, it can be quite valid, too... I suppose. I'm totally with you on that, Charles! Although I do have a problem the word "shredding" I understand where you're going since you mention "Jackson Pollock" and "vocalizing, note shapes and colors". But what can be said about playing notes (BB King: "Play as you would have sung those notes") the same can of course be said about how one best can relate to scales and phrases at a higher level of playing. Learn the color/taste/shape of each scale and phrase to make them part of your musical vocabulary. In this sense I'm all pro shredding; paint a rainbow by billions of water drops and people will see and enjoy the rainbow, given you don't bother with every drop but rather use the rainbow as a meaningful gesture of yours. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://www.myspace.com/looproom http://www.jamendo.com/en/artist/per.boysen/ http://www.jamendo.com/en/artist/lo.fi.lazer/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 22 20:54:54 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CB5CE3BF02; Tue, 22 May 2007 20:54:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Sjaak" To: Subject: Line 6 DL4 questions Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 22:54:17 +0200 Message-ID: <000001c79cb3$638c3300$020313ac@SOVERGAAUW> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6822 Importance: Normal Thread-Index: Acecs1s4WqO1eixZRr2hYQeZGSEm1A== X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-DCC-scarlet.be-Metrics: guri 20001; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70399 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 20:54:54 +0000 (UTC) Some questions about the DL4: - Is it possible to control feedback with the DL4? Or do you need the (optional) expression pedal for that? - I'm more used to the midi type of expression pedals. I'm wondering if the Line 6 expresion pedal works well. Any comments on this? - Do you need the line 6 expression pedal or can use something like a Boss EV-5 as well? - I own a Boss DD-20. Do you think it's worth to add the DL4 to a setup or do they have too much overlap? The idea is to use the DL4 for delay effects and short loops which will be feeded into a RC-50. Comments are wellcome :) Sjaak From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 22 21:24:49 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 01D2E3BF0A; Tue, 22 May 2007 21:24:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: AW: Line 6 DL4 questions Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 23:25:03 +0200 Organization: Moinlabs Message-ID: <000001c79cb7$a958b620$1001a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <000001c79cb3$638c3300$020313ac@SOVERGAAUW> Thread-Index: Acecs1s4WqO1eixZRr2hYQeZGSEm1AAA7jSA X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-RZG-AUTH: lUESeo99iNzPL8kuBgLYdKEqUywq9cxqeRA+BtFcSCD5deQ7OId6FJt6 X-RZG-CLASS-ID: mo07 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70400 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 21:24:49 +0000 (UTC) > Some questions about the DL4: > - Is it possible to control feedback with the DL4? Or do you need the > (optional) expression pedal for that? In delay mode: yes, also without the expression pedal. In looper mode: no, not even with the expression pedal. (There is the possibility to connect an external volume pedal and use an "inverted" patch cable to get some kind of feedback control for looper mode, though). > - Do you need the line 6 expression pedal or can use > something like a Boss > EV-5 as well? I use a cheap generic expression pedal - no problems so far. You can calibrate the value range of the pedal. > - I own a Boss DD-20. Do you think it's worth to add the DL4 > to a setup or do they have too much overlap? The idea is to > use the DL4 for delay effects and short loops which will be > feeded into a RC-50. I'm somewhat confused regarding DD-20 or RC-50...or are you thinking about using DD-20 plus RC-50 plus DL4? The DD20 has a looper mode which sucks but great delay (due to its length and the possibility to do multiply/divide with it). I still need to figure out how to combine both the DL4 and the DD20 for greatest effect. I wouldn't think a DL4 in addition to a RC50 and a DD20 would make that much sense, but perhaps someone with more RC50 experience can chime in here. Rainer From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 22 21:32:48 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CA7683BEFE; Tue, 22 May 2007 21:32:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <000801c79cb8$e545a250$17b2a8c0@netzrechner> Reply-To: "Tilmann Dehnhard" From: "Tilmann Dehnhard" To: References: <000001c79cb3$638c3300$020313ac@SOVERGAAUW> Subject: Re: Line 6 DL4 questions Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 23:33:48 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX19/V2ty9BCYhUteH6qud8HA6qOoGh0fiL7GRll w3BiNutizyToU6m5MORxhdUcqdSdHx/aoeeyJ91ViOPtYzTjE1 XXoIBu0SYxSHjBzB3lLePqoAdYjRLTi Resent-Message-ID: <2L2YpB.A.nCE.AG2UGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70401 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 21:32:48 +0000 (UTC) i can recommend the dl4 as a short looper. you can go halfspeed (even while recording) and reverse. also you can "one shot" your sample. while in looper-mode you have a simple delay function as well. but it's not tappable. all you can do is tune the delay time screw very carefully. you can not use the great delays of the delay section while in looper mode - a real bummer... sturdy machine - just make sure you tighten the outside screws of the switches!!! once the inside of a screw has fallen in you have to either send it in or go minimal invasive: it's almost impossible to attach the screw from the inside due to obstructing electronica in the machine. smooth looping, tilmann ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sjaak" To: Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2007 10:54 PM Subject: Line 6 DL4 questions > Some questions about the DL4: > - Is it possible to control feedback with the DL4? Or do you need the > (optional) expression pedal for that? > - I'm more used to the midi type of expression pedals. I'm wondering if > the > Line 6 expresion pedal works well. Any comments on this? > - Do you need the line 6 expression pedal or can use something like a Boss > EV-5 as well? > - I own a Boss DD-20. Do you think it's worth to add the DL4 to a setup or > do they have too much overlap? The idea is to use the DL4 for delay > effects > and short loops which will be feeded into a RC-50. > > Comments are wellcome :) > > Sjaak > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 22 22:34:28 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A2BAC3BEFA; Tue, 22 May 2007 22:34:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <000001c79cb7$a958b620$1001a8c0@succubus> References: <000001c79cb7$a958b620$1001a8c0@succubus> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <6EDF4A26-89E8-4809-8B00-4F2021B0321C@zerocrossing.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Mark Sottilaro Subject: Re: AW: Line 6 DL4 questions Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 15:34:07 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70402 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 22:34:28 +0000 (UTC) On May 22, 2007, at 2:25 PM, Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill wrote: > > The DD20 has a looper mode which sucks Really? Why do you think that? I think the DD20's a pretty capable looper as pedals go. I compared it to the DL4 and ended up buying it instead because I need something with true feedback control. You can also make a loop and then start another one on top of it which is useful. M From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 22 22:47:03 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 501023BEDE; Tue, 22 May 2007 22:47:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 18:47:01 -0400 From: Warren Sirota Subject: RE: Re. clip posted In-reply-to: <8ADA0206-5AEE-4BE8-AA4C-4F82661AD365@gmail.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <007901c79cc3$1c8e44b0$3702a8c0@macbookxp> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Thread-index: Aceb0hDCMyo95cVUQhWh9oOlOjITjQA8GAzQ References: <2097.9265.qm@web26210.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <8ADA0206-5AEE-4BE8-AA4C-4F82661AD365@gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70403 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 22:47:03 +0000 (UTC) Beautiful. I like the accessibility of the basic concept, the virtuosity of the "guitar" playing, and the seamless way the solo sound morphs from guitar to screaming synth/overtone thing. Thanks for posting this, Per. Warren From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 22 23:05:02 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 434363BF01; Tue, 22 May 2007 23:05:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=uHIdHNpxSig/L5NmbBbM8si64cQvkcb91iMxRIbA2qBUHTJVtF9pIVQ5IRRUDjLNZPC9Ci09hsLZZUObotsXdaw6A/t95tQ77NcheDpZ+0GPw3FpjzEwgA43G7Puwwnsi6FmUQm+HKZFCqyya0Y7L726guZCev6Zk1tOBLe+CVk=; X-YMail-OSG: LvGj2zMVM1mmoOxA1aMeAYLgj1GOaUBsvtRry7jJh1T6LQm11MHnG3dpGDP5hKcZbwulb3WXtc5GIOEhO3oUA4lB6URAY35UP61WMTXgE2Gy2afTkqo4qHA_6sjReg-- Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 16:05:00 -0700 (PDT) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: Re: AW: Line 6 DL4 questions To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <6EDF4A26-89E8-4809-8B00-4F2021B0321C@zerocrossing.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <451325.67466.qm@web38608.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70404 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 23:05:02 +0000 (UTC) I think Rainer is refering to the "sound on sound" mode or the first preset which is in fact very limited,i find the other delay modes with long delay times a lot more interesting to loop with.I also find the delay tap feature on the DD-20 much more accurate than the DL-4, and of course the drop of volume of the DL-4 is really anoying which is more obvious playing live. Nevertheless i still love the DL4,has anybody (aside from Bill)done the mod on it? is it worth the 100.00 dlls? i am really tempted to do it! more on it here http://www.robertkeeley.com/product.php?id=40 Luis --- Mark Sottilaro wrote: > On May 22, 2007, at 2:25 PM, Rainer Thelonius > Balthasar Straschill > wrote: > > > > > The DD20 has a looper mode which sucks > > Really? Why do you think that? I think the DD20's > a pretty capable > looper as pedals go. I compared it to the DL4 and > ended up buying it > instead because I need something with true feedback > control. You can > also make a loop and then start another one on top > of it which is > useful. > > M > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom ____________________________________________________________________________________Shape Yahoo! in your own image. Join our Network Research Panel today! http://surveylink.yahoo.com/gmrs/yahoo_panel_invite.asp?a=7 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 22 23:33:36 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 15A6A3BEFC; Tue, 22 May 2007 23:33:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "hazard factor" To: References: <000001c79cb3$638c3300$020313ac@SOVERGAAUW> <000001c79cb7$a958b620$1001a8c0@succubus> In-Reply-To: <000001c79cb7$a958b620$1001a8c0@succubus> Subject: RE: Line 6 DL4 questions Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 19:33:06 -0400 Message-ID: <02b301c79cc9$8e32c540$aa984fc0$@com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: Acecs1s4WqO1eixZRr2hYQeZGSEm1AAA7jSAAARroOA= Content-Language: en-us X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine Resent-Message-ID: <3wCUkB.A.8gB.P33UGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70405 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 23:33:36 +0000 (UTC) Whats with this external volume pedal/inverted patch cable/black magic feedback thing? I'd like to try. And I need an excuse to wear goat leggings. I use an Ernie Ball Vol Pedal Jr. 25k and it works great for feedback. It will also last a lot longer than the Line6 branded plastic Bespeco exp pedal they try to sell you. No feedback in looper mode, but you can at least control the volume of the loop so as you manually fade out, you can start something new. Also, if you set the knobs right, you can get a pretty good chorus, auto-wah, slow gear and overdrive, although not in looper mode. BTW, there is a drawing floating around of the new Boomerang III on some of the other gear boards. Basic (the drawing, not the looper), but it looks promising. Dave Eichenberger http://www.daveeichenberger.com > > (There is the possibility to connect an external volume pedal and use an > "inverted" patch cable to get some kind of feedback control for looper mode, > though). > > > - Do you need the line 6 expression pedal or can use > > something like a Boss > > EV-5 as well? > > I use a cheap generic expression pedal - no problems so far. You can > calibrate the value range of the pedal. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 22 23:58:57 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3B9E13BEDC; Tue, 22 May 2007 23:58:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 19:58:53 EDT Subject: rang news and stuff To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_ccf.f3a014e.3384ddbd_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 293 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70406 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 23:58:57 +0000 (UTC) --part1_ccf.f3a014e.3384ddbd_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 5/22/07 7:34:00 PM, artists@hazardfactor.com writes: > BTW, there is a drawing floating around of the new Boomerang III on some of > the other gear boards. Basic (the drawing, not the looper), but it looks > promising. > > > now we're talkin'.....stop up to my studio and i'll show you my drawings.....i hope it has a big knob that sez MIDI on it......i don't think it's going midi but i do seem to remember something about "stereo"......nothing up at their site yet......all this talk about guitar set-up to get "your heart's" sound has me worried therefore i'm going all VOCAL.....my favorite sound right now is the "HYPNO TOAD" on futurerama, if i could get my guitar to do that i'd still be playin".....:).....mic p.s. provocative tune per! www.ct-collective.com http://mysite.verizon.net/vzepmeci/ http://www.myspace.com/klobuchar11 ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. --part1_ccf.f3a014e.3384ddbd_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
In a message dated 5/22/07 7:34:00 PM, artists@hazardfactor.com writes:


BTW, there is a drawi= ng floating around of the new Boomerang III on some of
the other gear boards. Basic (the drawing, not the looper), but it looks
promising.




now we're talkin'.....stop up to my studio and i'll show you my drawings.= ....i hope it has a big knob that sez MIDI on it......i don't think it's goi= ng midi but i do seem to remember something about "stereo"......nothing up a= t their site yet......all this talk about guitar set-up to get "your heart's= " sound has me worried therefore i'm going all VOCAL.....my favorite sound r= ight now is the "HYPNO TOAD" on futurerama, if i could get my guitar to do t= hat i'd still be playin".....:).....mic

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See what's=20= free at http://www.aol.com. --part1_ccf.f3a014e.3384ddbd_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 23 01:25:20 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D6F0A3BED8; Wed, 23 May 2007 01:25:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 21:25:18 -0400 From: Warren Sirota Subject: RE: electro-music festival June 1-3 Philadelphia In-reply-to: <28054.68.32.231.238.1179840091.squirrel@webmail.helpwantedproductions.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <00fc01c79cd9$3967aac0$3702a8c0@macbookxp> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Thread-index: AcecdCHEyXJA9PGURJaUjyGFC5P+oAAY1brw References: <4650A39C.6010809@soundscapes.us> <2656.69.139.19.240.1179796522.squirrel@webmail.helpwantedproductions.com> <28054.68.32.231.238.1179840091.squirrel@webmail.helpwantedproductions.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70407 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 23 May 2007 01:25:20 +0000 (UTC) I'm performing at the festival, and I didn't have any problem with the ticket price. Forgive me, Rick, for presuming to interpret, but EM2007 is, like Y2Kn (probably more so than Y2Kn), more of a "convention" than a "festival" - the distinction in my mind being that a convention exists primarily for the conventioneers, whereas a festival has a primary focus on the general public. The point of EM2007 for me, at any rate, is to meet a lot of people and hear what they are doing, and to have an occasion to put something resembling a performance together. I'm happy to throw in a little cash to cover expenses (especially since I can drive to this one and stay in Philly with relatives, so my other expenses are pretty minimal). The program is quite diverse, and there are 4 simultaneous events going on for 3 days in a beautiful art museum. I for one am looking forward to checking out what Don Slepian and Dr. T. (doing something with video) are up to, and to hearing what happens at the "sync jam" and other jams going on constantly. Warren Sirota warrensirota.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 23 01:41:00 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CAC1C3BEE8; Wed, 23 May 2007 01:41:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [4.246.69.52] X-Originating-Email: [sambacomet@hotmail.com] X-Sender: sambacomet@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <20070522230502.DA8583BF0B@arsenic.violacea.com> From: "samba -" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Horns shredd pollock roadmap Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 18:40:53 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 May 2007 01:40:58.0718 (UTC) FILETIME=[699F7FE0:01C79CDB] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70408 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 23 May 2007 01:41:00 +0000 (UTC) I think the reason horns play more vocal like lines isn't to do with roadmaps.it's because you have to breathe.So you learn how to pause in places where it makes musical sense,and phrase in relation to when you have plenty of air ,and when you have not much. What better way to add a sense of urgency than needing to take a breath? Clapton and Robbie Robertson have said they hold their breath to play certain things. Roy Buchanan used to say to himself ' help me help me help me" ,while he sustained a bend. A useful BB trick both for expression and showmanship is to make a face like something really hurts while executing a bend. But singers and horn players can't fingerpick. _________________________________________________________________ Catch suspicious messages before you open them—with Windows Live Hotmail. http://imagine-windowslive.com/hotmail/?locale=en-us&ocid=TXT_TAGHM_migration_HM_mini_protection_0507 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 23 12:23:59 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BA44E3BED9; Wed, 23 May 2007 12:23:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1--247630327 Message-Id: <2cdff386fbe699cb958e8391379e8a9f@glasswing.com> From: Richard Sales Subject: Re: Horns shredd pollock roadmap Date: Wed, 23 May 2007 05:23:52 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70409 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 23 May 2007 12:23:59 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-1--247630327 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; delsp=yes; format=flowed Very good, Samba! richard sales glassWing farm and studio vancouver island, b.c. 800.545.6846 250.752.4816 www.glassWing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com On 22-May-07, at 6:40 PM, samba - wrote: > > I think the reason horns play more vocal like lines isn't to do with =20= > roadmaps.it's because you have to breathe.So you learn how to pause =20= > in places where it makes musical sense,and phrase in relation to when =20= > you have plenty of air ,and when you have not much. What better way to = =20 > add a sense of urgency than needing to take a breath? Clapton and =20 > Robbie Robertson have said they hold their breath to play certain =20 > things. Roy Buchanan used to say to himself ' help me help me help =20= > me" ,while he sustained a bend. > A useful BB trick both for expression and showmanship is to make a =20 > face like something really hurts while executing a bend. But singers =20= > and horn players can't fingerpick. > > _________________________________________________________________ > Catch suspicious messages before you open them=97with Windows Live =20 > Hotmail. =20 > http://imagine-windowslive.com/hotmail/?locale=3Den-=20 > us&ocid=3DTXT_TAGHM_migration_HM_mini_protection_0507 > --Apple-Mail-1--247630327 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=ISO-8859-1 Very good, Samba! Gadgetrichard sales 7373,7F7F,C5C5glassWing farm and studio vancouver island, b.c. 800.545.6846 250.752.4816C3C3,9696,1C1C www.glassWing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com On 22-May-07, at 6:40 PM, samba - wrote: I think the reason horns play more vocal like lines isn't to do with roadmaps.it's because you have to breathe.So you learn how to pause in places where it makes musical sense,and phrase in relation to when you have plenty of air ,and when you have not much. What better way to add a sense of urgency than needing to take a breath? Clapton and Robbie Robertson have said they hold their breath to play certain things. Roy Buchanan used to say to himself ' help me help me help me" ,while he sustained a bend. A useful BB trick both for expression and showmanship is to make a face like something really hurts while executing a bend. But singers and horn players can't fingerpick. _________________________________________________________________ Catch suspicious messages before you open them=97with Windows Live Hotmail. = http://imagine-windowslive.com/hotmail/?locale=3Den-us&ocid=3DTXT_TAGHM_mi= gration_HM_mini_protection_0507 = --Apple-Mail-1--247630327-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 23 14:06:34 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5730E3BED8; Wed, 23 May 2007 14:06:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <1D0727B8-CC34-4100-91E6-D50F2AD1AEAA@mac.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Teddy Subject: Re: Horns shredd pollock roadmap Date: Wed, 23 May 2007 10:06:25 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAA== X-Brightmail-scanned: yes Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70410 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 23 May 2007 14:06:34 +0000 (UTC) ya... my old jazz gtr trick is to only play while breathing out... that way you can't play too much holding your breath only makes you turn blue and fall asleep, maybe that's why Clapton sounds so lackluster when he plays (just kidding Clapton fans, he's good, of course) Teddy On May 22, 2007, at 9:40 PM, samba - wrote: > > I think the reason horns play more vocal like lines isn't to do > with roadmaps.it's because you have to breathe.So you learn how to > pause in places where it makes musical sense,and phrase in relation > to when you have plenty of air ,and when you have not much. What > better way to add a sense of urgency than needing to take a breath? > Clapton and Robbie Robertson have said they hold their breath to > play certain things. Roy Buchanan used to say to himself ' help me > help me help me" ,while he sustained a bend. > A useful BB trick both for expression and showmanship is to make a > face like something really hurts while executing a bend. But > singers and horn players can't fingerpick. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 23 17:50:20 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E0A1D3BEDE; Wed, 23 May 2007 17:50:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <42D2F65D-94D0-48B9-A5D1-4392C15B7813@zerocrossing.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Mark Sottilaro Subject: Re: Horns shredd pollock roadmap Date: Wed, 23 May 2007 10:49:55 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70411 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 23 May 2007 17:50:20 +0000 (UTC) Upon a recommendation of a friend, I started internally "mouthing" my =20= notes when playing and I find it really helps with the musicality of =20 your phrasing whether your playing guitar or any other instrument. M On May 22, 2007, at 6:40 PM, samba - wrote: > > I think the reason horns play more vocal like lines isn't to do =20 > with roadmaps.it's because you have to breathe.So you learn how to =20= > pause in places where it makes musical sense,and phrase in relation =20= > to when you have plenty of air ,and when you have not much. What =20 > better way to add a sense of urgency than needing to take a breath? =20= > Clapton and Robbie Robertson have said they hold their breath to =20 > play certain things. Roy Buchanan used to say to himself ' help me =20= > help me help me" ,while he sustained a bend. > A useful BB trick both for expression and showmanship is to make a =20 > face like something really hurts while executing a bend. But =20 > singers and horn players can't fingerpick. > > _________________________________________________________________ > Catch suspicious messages before you open them=97with Windows Live =20 > Hotmail. http://imagine-windowslive.com/hotmail/?locale=3Den-=20 > us&ocid=3DTXT_TAGHM_migration_HM_mini_protection_0507 > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 23 19:19:47 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1E45C3BEE0; Wed, 23 May 2007 19:19:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=qsvDfhavulQxHhIx2nYBHw/ur6sfTX9265cKkLMYa76I/xC4V2McWzIQKngU4duQSnws3VDHIkmkJEfO9EVrhm3H7ivBLCjmPGJcjfkL0VmTmtr50s1ipOCf9GMVLVqrc0DIly63pm2q7PTpc9d1DXoekIzQZxCjKORq7zA0PvU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=SJQqSvzct9d+jCPB4nDP+gNprXZHd8qBdqNY+JnZu7U/PypVHbmuHEGbQDHBascvVMq6KjEMlL6gcXRNdwt4fIRJtotQ8s6dPpJKwNyu06OSV/IXNbdyoFHcpVpuxLynNwkaA974uT2/6Xqbqpp13Ih1h3nSlKPMBKQ4i1abmvw= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <42D2F65D-94D0-48B9-A5D1-4392C15B7813@zerocrossing.net> References: <42D2F65D-94D0-48B9-A5D1-4392C15B7813@zerocrossing.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Horns shredd pollock roadmap Date: Wed, 23 May 2007 21:19:44 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70412 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 23 May 2007 19:19:47 +0000 (UTC) On 23 maj 2007, at 19.49, Mark Sottilaro wrote: > Upon a recommendation of a friend, I started internally "mouthing" > my notes when playing and I find it really helps with the > musicality of your phrasing whether your playing guitar or any > other instrument. That seems to be a good trick! "Mouthing" played guitar notes is good way to remember that you should be serius with every note you play and never play a note out of habit. Sticking to that attitude is a good way to learn good musicianship. Generally I think this discussion misses the point a bit. It's not the need to breath that keeps inspired musicians playing lead lines as phrases with pauses thrown in here and there. They simply do it because it sounds better that way! If you listen to a good piano player or guitar player he also does it that way - it's not just a horn thing or vocalist thing. I can think of two reasons why someone would play "all the time" with no pauses - either he is uninspired or he is reaching for a certain effect by playing that way (as when Miles Davis told bandmate Mike Stern to play loudly, fast and with no pauses on the guitar). per From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 23 19:34:37 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6DEDB3BEE6; Wed, 23 May 2007 19:34:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: References: <42D2F65D-94D0-48B9-A5D1-4392C15B7813@zerocrossing.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <7C9DA65F-8B60-4D8F-A3A4-F80A1202A066@zerocrossing.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Mark Sottilaro Subject: Re: Horns shredd pollock roadmap Date: Wed, 23 May 2007 12:34:11 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70413 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 23 May 2007 19:34:37 +0000 (UTC) Makes me think, why *does* it sound good to us? Because we're built that way. Our brains developed processing aural communication that, for the most part, was created using a set of lungs and some vocal chords. Now let me hook up my crybaby and play some blues. That's the loop. Mark On May 23, 2007, at 12:19 PM, Per Boysen wrote: > On 23 maj 2007, at 19.49, Mark Sottilaro wrote: > >> Upon a recommendation of a friend, I started internally "mouthing" >> my notes when playing and I find it really helps with the >> musicality of your phrasing whether your playing guitar or any >> other instrument. > > That seems to be a good trick! "Mouthing" played guitar notes is > good way to remember that you should be serius with every note you > play and never play a note out of habit. Sticking to that attitude > is a good way to learn good musicianship. > > Generally I think this discussion misses the point a bit. It's not > the need to breath that keeps inspired musicians playing lead lines > as phrases with pauses thrown in here and there. They simply do it > because it sounds better that way! If you listen to a good piano > player or guitar player he also does it that way - it's not just a > horn thing or vocalist thing. I can think of two reasons why > someone would play "all the time" with no pauses - either he is > uninspired or he is reaching for a certain effect by playing that > way (as when Miles Davis told bandmate Mike Stern to play loudly, > fast and with no pauses on the guitar). > > per > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 23 21:04:40 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7D4263BED9; Wed, 23 May 2007 21:04:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: References: <42D2F65D-94D0-48B9-A5D1-4392C15B7813@zerocrossing.net> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-3--216396661 Message-Id: <3babf7589c07bb544485c32bdaffe171@glasswing.com> From: Richard Sales Subject: Re: Horns shredd pollock roadmap Date: Wed, 23 May 2007 14:04:26 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70414 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 23 May 2007 21:04:40 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-3--216396661 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed > Per said, They simply do it because it sounds better that way It's what separates great players from the really good ones - a sense of melody and knowing where the bluebird should go next - or, as you say Per, what will SOUND good. I'm not sure if this is something that can be taught. It's even hard to describe or talk about it! But singing is a good place to go fishing for it. Charlie Parker wasn't real huge on pauses. But, for my taste, I do like music more that knows the value of silence. Of course Miles was (and, in my book still is) the reigning master of melody, silence and simplicity. He's a good place to go to learn about phrasing and the power of silence. richard sales glassWing farm and studio vancouver island, b.c. 800.545.6846 250.752.4816 www.glassWing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com On 23-May-07, at 12:19 PM, Per Boysen wrote: > On 23 maj 2007, at 19.49, Mark Sottilaro wrote: > >> Upon a recommendation of a friend, I started internally "mouthing" my >> notes when playing and I find it really helps with the musicality of >> your phrasing whether your playing guitar or any other instrument. > > That seems to be a good trick! "Mouthing" played guitar notes is good > way to remember that you should be serius with every note you play and > never play a note out of habit. Sticking to that attitude is a good > way to learn good musicianship. > > Generally I think this discussion misses the point a bit. It's not the > need to breath that keeps inspired musicians playing lead lines as > phrases with pauses thrown in here and there. They simply do it > because it sounds better that way! If you listen t --Apple-Mail-3--216396661 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=US-ASCII Per said, They simply do it because it sounds better that way It's what separates great players from the really good ones - a sense of melody and knowing where the bluebird should go next - or, as you say Per, what will SOUND good. I'm not sure if this is something that can be taught. It's even hard to describe or talk about it! But singing is a good place to go fishing for it. Charlie Parker wasn't real huge on pauses. But, for my taste, I do like music more that knows the value of silence. Of course Miles was (and, in my book still is) the reigning master of melody, silence and simplicity. He's a good place to go to learn about phrasing and the power of silence. Gadgetrichard sales 7373,7F7F,C5C5glassWing farm and studio vancouver island, b.c. 800.545.6846 250.752.4816C3C3,9696,1C1C www.glassWing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com On 23-May-07, at 12:19 PM, Per Boysen wrote: On 23 maj 2007, at 19.49, Mark Sottilaro wrote: Upon a recommendation of a friend, I started internally "mouthing" my notes when playing and I find it really helps with the musicality of your phrasing whether your playing guitar or any other instrument. That seems to be a good trick! "Mouthing" played guitar notes is good way to remember that you should be serius with every note you play and never play a note out of habit. Sticking to that attitude is a good way to learn good musicianship. Generally I think this discussion misses the point a bit. It's not the need to breath that keeps inspired musicians playing lead lines as phrases with pauses thrown in here and there. They simply do it because it sounds better that way! If you listen t --Apple-Mail-3--216396661-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 23 22:07:43 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7BCF43BEE1; Wed, 23 May 2007 22:07:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=R7/JPJbhhGuYyRUkUCeDq04UxfdGti48r5qdQsS6HS572QbynqFq6Me8WZRBpyWIZH/G4nNVj+aPo/Hc24g1BZbE25fU9Dmchswf+DxSm0xWgUpvkNVXQcjaeohBL+6fWKRW+W9A7obwhdcFahWS4MS82PBcouUhYFjBJW3DXMA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=Tx3lXsz6xtdq9EgT5bjN30GtlZY3HVoN8QSE3LIcCxTiL1egarQSowgsyKOCbg9jfSGITYTnz4sVKve5CoJFJSnCBZMcWt2Mwkk1XpDyDO/aDyVMSk5pW8yoO3DfTwvZXyYjOa0Sarq9ugy9v4KyBF/EL0B7mPKrjCKVvnqcxi4= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <3babf7589c07bb544485c32bdaffe171@glasswing.com> References: <42D2F65D-94D0-48B9-A5D1-4392C15B7813@zerocrossing.net> <3babf7589c07bb544485c32bdaffe171@glasswing.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Horns shredd pollock roadmap Date: Thu, 24 May 2007 00:07:24 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70415 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 23 May 2007 22:07:43 +0000 (UTC) On 23 maj 2007, at 23.04, Richard Sales wrote: > Charlie Parker wasn't real huge on pauses. But, for my taste, I do > like music more that knows the value of silence. "Not huge on pauses"... he, he... he was a shredder!!!! ;-)) I've listened up on those reissued rehearsal recordings as well as live recordings and he not only played extremely fast but also quite out of sync related to his bandmates. And that's what I think is so cool with Bird. That guy is a typical example of how fast playing with no pausing is used "as an effect" or, if you prefer, to make a brilliant personal statement. I think Bowie is also a good example of a musician with his own statement so strong that it actually "sounds good" even when singing completely out of tune in a technical sense. I mean, he can be a half note off and it just sounds perfect because he communicates THE GESTURE so well that everyone understands where he is aiming and the fact that he only gets halfways is what makes it so dramatic. Should he hit those notes right on it would be just lame. Like those horrible old Michael Bolton tracks. That specific twist, the power of justifying the forbidden, is what interests me the most in music. Whenever you hear something great and it suddenly hits you - "my god this would really look like crap if written down as a score" - those are the moments... per From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 23 22:52:22 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 75C053BEE1; Wed, 23 May 2007 22:52:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=RcIhWe3dvBaToBazh5ElRkyma7csfams+CavWGOmaSz6/aMKYJFj9+nMDwFWiSJvlGHaf41DgZhW87eH47uygWEcnrLJBMLci4UPof6I3MmpktDJkiJlkD2IpaLi3zGbKmu/0TwWDqBjjyv65vDjPl7Qv/pigO9g9VB7Uz8oFos= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=UqTDPVryZ1chdw2y+GoD8bS71586ykgfh3A0c76/QxRFJ6aaclXWncm63VyeKB3pK0fYWimKZedrj55HqlGSDoZu+7Pt8h10rF0BTyQgcz2+UzAWSrtD9cw5efqbrJJ1B+ohl039CbU/l2Bu8n+DoZS5cY8TDI9G88kSecJ+RRA= Message-ID: Date: Wed, 23 May 2007 15:52:20 -0700 From: "Neil Goldstein" Sender: swamilove@gmail.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: clip posted In-Reply-To: <8ACBC6C9-FF55-45A0-A635-90B174A5BBC1@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_54775_27375507.1179960740303" References: <200705052140.l45LeOrJ051176@mail.cruzio.com> <46530448.8040809@hevanet.com> <8ACBC6C9-FF55-45A0-A635-90B174A5BBC1@gmail.com> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 7d1d6bda609b8af5 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70416 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 23 May 2007 22:52:22 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_54775_27375507.1179960740303 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Per At what point in the chain did you get that scale? Your description says 'western tempered' tuning (I assum in EXS) on your strat sample. Does the EWI give facility (with pitch bend) to define scales like that? Or somewhere else in Logic? Sampling is an area I have done nothing with, this inspires me to do more. thanks Neil On 5/22/07, Per Boysen wrote: > > On 22 maj 2007, at 16.55, David Auker wrote: > > Per Boysen wrote: > >> (...) my all time fav scale: "Chinese Lu scale by Haui Nan Zi, Han > >> era. (P. Amiot 1780, Kurt Reinhart)". > > > > Can you elaborate on this scale? > > > Well... As from what I hear the third and tenth note are special, > according to the phrasings I mostly do. As from what I can feel the > notes tend to pitch in where I would like them place them myself. As > for a mathematical description, these are the deviations: > > 1: +0,9 > 2: +5,9 > 3: +17,6 > 4: +6,4 > 5: 0,0 (pure fifth) > 6: -1,0 > 7: +3,9 > 8: +15,6 > 9: -5,7 > 10: -2,0 > 11: +8,4 > 12: +2,0 > > per > > ------=_Part_54775_27375507.1179960740303 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Per

At what point in the chain did you get that scale?  Your description says 'western tempered' tuning (I assum in EXS) on your strat sample. Does the EWI give facility  (with pitch bend) to define scales like that?  Or somewhere else in Logic?

Sampling is an area I have done nothing with, this inspires me to do more.

thanks

Neil

On 5/22/07, Per Boysen < perboysen@gmail.com> wrote:
On 22 maj 2007, at 16.55, David Auker wrote:
> Per Boysen wrote:
>> (...) my all time fav scale: "Chinese Lu scale by Haui Nan Zi, Han
>> era. (P. Amiot 1780, Kurt Reinhart)".
>
> Can you elaborate on this scale?


Well... As from what I hear the third and tenth note are special,
according to the phrasings I mostly do. As from what I can feel the
notes tend to pitch in where I would like them place them myself. As
for a mathematical description, these are the deviations:

1: +0,9
2: +5,9
3: +17,6
4: +6,4
5: 0,0 (pure fifth)
6: -1,0
7: +3,9
8: +15,6
9: -5,7
10: -2,0
11: +8,4
12: +2,0

per


------=_Part_54775_27375507.1179960740303-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 23 23:36:47 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C31A53BEE7; Wed, 23 May 2007 23:36:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <003d01c79d93$6111ac50$17b2a8c0@netzrechner> Reply-To: "Tilmann Dehnhard" From: "Tilmann Dehnhard" To: References: <42D2F65D-94D0-48B9-A5D1-4392C15B7813@zerocrossing.net> Subject: Re: Horns shredd pollock roadmap Date: Thu, 24 May 2007 01:37:45 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1+Q3DpQcaTkOIkwHIz/+vwrDkPZfeYu1til0up rhXrGd4rx00BUyWtmTR7VGVQH0VtqYm1l7yWWh7cbROvD9MbB7 StQC9k/eDT8KH5f/DPgVw3niulePNW2 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70417 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 23 May 2007 23:36:47 +0000 (UTC) miles also said to coltrane when asked about how to play less: it might help to take the horn out of your mouth once in a while. tilmann ----- Original Message ----- From: "Per Boysen" To: Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2007 9:19 PM Subject: Re: Horns shredd pollock roadmap > On 23 maj 2007, at 19.49, Mark Sottilaro wrote: > >> Upon a recommendation of a friend, I started internally "mouthing" >> my notes when playing and I find it really helps with the >> musicality of your phrasing whether your playing guitar or any >> other instrument. > > That seems to be a good trick! "Mouthing" played guitar notes is good > way to remember that you should be serius with every note you play > and never play a note out of habit. Sticking to that attitude is a > good way to learn good musicianship. > > Generally I think this discussion misses the point a bit. It's not > the need to breath that keeps inspired musicians playing lead lines > as phrases with pauses thrown in here and there. They simply do it > because it sounds better that way! If you listen to a good piano > player or guitar player he also does it that way - it's not just a > horn thing or vocalist thing. I can think of two reasons why someone > would play "all the time" with no pauses - either he is uninspired or > he is reaching for a certain effect by playing that way (as when > Miles Davis told bandmate Mike Stern to play loudly, fast and with no > pauses on the guitar). > > per > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 23 23:42:02 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B96683BEDC; Wed, 23 May 2007 23:42:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <005501c79d94$1d79ca30$17b2a8c0@netzrechner> Reply-To: "Tilmann Dehnhard" From: "Tilmann Dehnhard" To: References: <42D2F65D-94D0-48B9-A5D1-4392C15B7813@zerocrossing.net> <7C9DA65F-8B60-4D8F-A3A4-F80A1202A066@zerocrossing.net> Subject: Re: Horns shredd pollock roadmap Date: Thu, 24 May 2007 01:42:59 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1/FBA47xKx+oNbRYQq6V1KR0Oxr3WdW26/iR2n isxakm2mOVcVliMeap1BoR/2I/p48CGqbFG6GQlEOc2rC15CIL 22RkJ+npaxlLrxeJjl8fZtR5NFCm49C Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70418 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 23 May 2007 23:42:02 +0000 (UTC) man, thanx for these thoughts, i never asked myself why... the answer is obvious. learned something, here. thanx. tilmann > Makes me think, why *does* it sound good to us? Because we're built > that way. Our brains developed processing aural communication that, > for the most part, was created using a set of lungs and some vocal > chords. Now let me hook up my crybaby and play some blues. That's > the loop. > > Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 24 03:15:26 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BD1723BEE6; Thu, 24 May 2007 03:15:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=r7KsBHLRLYPkcfpjWAC/haFQcJxS3fYBOWi5DLdmLCmLInM/UlrfBMY2zmZFalgql+d+Stz14JabmGgoSN02hzHeF4UG+/3Fd9ip9gZtrq8h/F405SloVVp8thFXvMeNp8F4Onhf5Zo1m4GeoUX/eFcUH7ZxZvjBhLCvgf9bJyc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=hPJpK73OFPDBMGBQy6r+9a7/3Dz/DWvHdsZz2XO0pEtDHSnXs+qSRB/ShTI0HM3yDw/MFXAJEDhZb1M6qipidwMPmKZcGKg0EQemGaFwsn7nM2alcNLy4EfLopCCKtS6ZKIQhOlmL1uOHapAkkaDRI1oNOJmG29VwvQe4lTUR+g= Message-ID: Date: Thu, 24 May 2007 05:15:24 +0200 From: "Raul Bonell" To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Subject: per's MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70419 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 24 May 2007 03:15:26 +0000 (UTC) A video with music of this remarkable gewitarist ... ;-) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pODg0W3YHH8 Very good, as usual. Cheers, Raul. -- The Playing Orchestra: http://www.telefonica.net/web2/tpo Chain Tape Collective: http://www.ct-collective.com TPO at myspace: http://www.myspace.com/theplayingorchestra From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 24 06:33:07 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BCC8C3BEDC; Thu, 24 May 2007 06:33:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [90.200.69.128] X-Originating-Email: [simeonharris@hotmail.com] X-Sender: simeonharris@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: From: "simeon harris" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Repeater OS 2 review Date: Thu, 24 May 2007 06:33:01 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 May 2007 06:33:04.0700 (UTC) FILETIME=[6255DFC0:01C79DCD] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70420 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 24 May 2007 06:33:07 +0000 (UTC) just saw this posted over at the yahoo repeater group and thought i would share it here.... posted by Peter Toms... New OS installed and working hello Repeaties Well. Here's a watershed moment in the history of the Repeater. I've just loaded the OS 2 successfully, and preliminary testing of about 2/3 of the upgrades shows positive results for each and every one. The documentation coming along with the upgrade is spot on, listing each upgrade, the effects of each, and the default status. I'm extremely impressed with this OS upgrade. Electrix sent me a 32MB Sandisk CF card with the software and firmware upgrades loaded. The firmware upgrade is loaded first, followed by the new OS. The entire operation takes less than 90 seconds. Note - it's not automated, you have to accept and then verify the acceptance with a button push for each. The only glitch I've encountered is that the Repeater immediately self-reboots with the new OS, and it then interprets the OS-carrying CF card as having a bad format. Then it asks if you'd like to re- format. A small glitch, but a source of potential loss - you could choose to erase the OS on the CF card if you wished. After all this time, it's a real pleasure to have the fabled OS 2 actually operating on my machine. Three Cheers for Adam Scolaro and the new Electrix! and three more for Don Goodeve, the software engineer responsible for this fine development work. I'm impressed as hell. Well. and I'm going to be busy for quite awhile re-programming my rack... there's a ton of goodies in here... i'm canceling my vacation... _________________________________________________________________ Play your part in making history - Email Britain! http://www.emailbritain.co.uk/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 24 07:05:00 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EE9213BEE1; Thu, 24 May 2007 07:04:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:content-transfer-encoding:message-id:content-type:to:from:subject:date:x-mailer; b=asLQgWgz54aPSoehgiQSTm6QvDVoXJvoFgLYBrniGtf+/J8ck6hrhKpebWxvf/xsCPFt5vRFD257NzcPVYiARBiAxN84+N4FKLbbOndGcpdrtXC5C/1vGj26BcCAWzEFqg2NF2NEsJYxeDSOCwjJ4NZq4jMLi/4TkhwcuRfquKM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:mime-version:content-transfer-encoding:message-id:content-type:to:from:subject:date:x-mailer; b=PsTmhH8TpNO4SPH0nyXyl9p+wCX5xiicwXJlQ72x2rGpRYIna2wUJQa0MAlhMmtB2mKTrlMdPHC9Wk0AK0Ovf48K9N1PYcgNe9xNsTxYnVPqNnbombuJs7LP/xgLLeA7397smfM1+Tc+XrwOaC2GvGzNnZh0OW+K/a1VYaixdmg= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed To: Loopers From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: question on clip you posted Date: Thu, 24 May 2007 09:04:54 +0200 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70421 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 24 May 2007 07:04:59 +0000 (UTC) On 24 maj 2007, at 00.53, Neil Goldstein wrote: > Per > > At what point in the chain did you get that scale? > Hi Neil, To specifically answer the question is that I got the scale at the very first point: I played with that scale. In Logic you go: Files / Song Settings / Tuning. The setting affects all software instruments, all synths and the sampler. The architecture that makes this possible is that Logic's instruments are not plug-ins but rather part of the application. Third-party instruments can't be affected by Logic's preferences scale settings. > Your description says 'western tempered' tuning (I assum in EXS) on > your strat sample. > No, on everything! All Logic's software instruments are tuned globally. The western tempered tuning is just the default. As for the sample patch I did for EXS24 of my Strat (did another from my tenor sax) I recorded every note with the physical guitar. In the EXS24 I fine tuned the pitch of every note/sample, but this I had to do according to "the default" which is the western tempered tuning. So when I chose a different global microtonal scale the strat samples do follow as well as any softwynth does. > Does the EWI give facility (with pitch bend) to define scales like > that? > No. No scale defining in an EWI. Unless what you might do by instinct when modifying the pitch by biting the mouthpiece while playing. > Or somewhere else in Logic? > In Logic you go: Files / Song Settings / Tuning > Sampling is an area I have done nothing with, this inspires me to > do more. > In that clip only the electric guitar was played via the sampler. Everything else was played with the software synth ES2. Logic's Guitar Amp Pro plug-in also deserves credits for the cool guitar sound. Not only did I sample the physical guitar when playing it through a tube amp and Marshall cabinet, I also ran the ESX24 through the Guitar Amp Pr software amp sim. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://www.myspace.com/looproom http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) http://tinyurl.com/2kek7h (CC donationware music releases) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 24 07:16:40 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 257A03BEF0; Thu, 24 May 2007 07:16:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=DHYFtd5qF/ydIYJ16cMKhVirXVe6P+36Fg3JpATGYUCj42TCCY2gsv0LQXbM+rLfwP0KHQjK3tiXLuLNf98bsVJnIHFqjIm9SNbIlZzrRd6Y+t4N3Ln7TrBeQz+fZmT71Q7s+9VNWO7n9JAASlxuJ+bX4Qx/ZZ2eGWNllxhqTV4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=YwDNN+Ze+vSoU72jsPxIT44kvIydNLZQOIrBfCmKWSrFW/+MtCADiu9kT9b2DhjA78xsHfJgSSsbdSFdIlkwLLK9/N7dmtG36XrlKdKSaQd8/V6cAs60DxDjlCbwVmbvDtCpUSma3gJGKql1W03gXQMNkmTt3NlqfGet3+ZUc4s= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <9010A0EA-4C23-4280-85A9-B6168A3DF2F2@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: per's Date: Thu, 24 May 2007 09:16:39 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70422 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 24 May 2007 07:16:40 +0000 (UTC) On 24 maj 2007, at 05.15, Raul Bonell wrote: > A video with music of this remarkable gewitarist ... ;-) > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pODg0W3YHH8 > > Very good, as usual. > > Cheers, > Raul. How the hell did that wind up on YouTube? It goes much faster and more high pitched than the original. My EDP looping tenor sax sounds like a plastic trumpet toy and David's voice sounds like a 15 year old ;-)) per From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 24 10:35:06 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 08E933BEDE; Thu, 24 May 2007 10:35:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Thu, 24 May 2007 06:37:08 -0400 From: Bill Fox Subject: Listen to Afterglow, Galactic Travels, and The AM/FM Show To: undisclosed-recipients: ; Message-id: <46556AD4.7070309@soundscapes.us> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.10 (Windows/20070221) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70423 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 24 May 2007 10:35:06 +0000 (UTC) AFTERGLOW ON WMUH: http://soundscapes.us/afterglow ======================================================================= Afterglow airs from 8:00 am to 9:30 am every Thursday morning. Tune in for a delightful mix of eclectic musical genres including a healthy dose of Progressive Rock. Tune in at 91.7 FM or on the internet at: http://muhlenberg.edu/wmuh GALACTIC TRAVELS ON WDIY: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt ======================================================================= Tonight at 11 pm on Galactic Travels, I'll continue the month-long Special Focus on Steve Roach who played at the Gatherings on the 19th. The Featured CD at Midnight will be "Immersion: One" by Steve Roach on Projekt Records The Vinyl Starter will be from the LP "Computer Experiments" by Synergy on Passport Records and released in 1981. For details, see the Special Focus page at: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2007/focus.html#may Galactic Travels is an electronic, ambient, and space music show that airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg, 93.7 FM in Fogelsville and Trexlertown, on the internet, and in High Definition Radio at 88.1 FM. THE AM/FM SHOW ON WMUH: http://soundscapes.us/amfm ======================================================================= My next stint on the AM/FM Show will be Saturday, May 26 at 6:00 am. I will continue the special on E-dition Electronic Music Magazine's sampler CDs. Tune in to WMUH Allentown at 91.7 FM, broadcasting from the campus of Muhlenberg College. I alternate hosting the show with Bruce. When I am at the helm, the show features electronic, ambient, and spacemusic at the beginning, an eclectic mix of genres in the middle, and winds up with Progressive Rock. WMUH's web site is http://muhlenberg.edu/wmuh ====================================================================== All times are EDT / GMT-4. Listen on-line to WDIY at http://wdiy.org and click LISTEN or go directly to: http://rm1.refugemedia.com/ramgen/encoder/wdiy.rm Listen on-line to WMUH at http://www.muhlenberg.edu/wmuh and click the REAL AUDIO link or go directly to: rtsp://helix.muhlenberg.edu:554/broadcast/live.rm From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 24 13:28:52 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 63D2D3BED9; Thu, 24 May 2007 13:28:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=RFXCvQ7hLv2P7CQx1lgSBE0waVAOkz1vY/ml0an9aTsvdYRNhut6W1/JfcoVE2TLzkph022kOWbaqOfdg98Cj/rxWcQLd1NiZR4FDnf4r2L6FCJ9iRRqUYITjKGJymZbc6qezmcYNkirYLDTacf8HAamJPO6NfPcZAbDVVC2thE=; X-YMail-OSG: SYwf41kVM1mfCLO2WnAg3tPb1MCkPAhg_38qPA1Ng0wnvL36V2iSJhx_aLJnezHNUn_iST9kl3tieUp5YkYbUVAzAP.DRr.G_t1yiV_WWxPnVMlGyK5py8ImvcEbfA-- Date: Thu, 24 May 2007 06:28:50 -0700 (PDT) From: Paul Richards Subject: OT: The Search for the Perfect Home Recording Amplifier Saga To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-98885404-1180013330=:51274" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <291001.51274.qm@web35115.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70424 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 24 May 2007 13:28:52 +0000 (UTC) --0-98885404-1180013330=:51274 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi, all: Arrgggg....my latest amp choice (Vox AD60VTX) didn't pan out as well as I liked hence I sold it am again in the market for a home recording amp. I had difficulty getting a consistant decent tone out of the Vox (I'm partial to Black-faced sounding Fenders, a little (or lot of when needed) grit but a clean sound too). Another sidebar, I bought a used Line6 Pro Pod that I'd like to use and running that into a modelling amp didn't seem like a good choice as it was a little problematic to get an undiluted tone with the Vox - although it did have a manual mode. I was thinking about getting some small tube amp and then using the Pro Pod and other outboard effects. I've really been disappointed with the onboard effects of most of the amps I had recently. Something in the line of a fender Pro Junior looks suitable BUT it appeared like it didn't have a line out for recording and looping purposes. The fender Princton recording Amp looks attractive and I may have to pop for the $1K but I'd like to keep the price lower if at all possible. Does anyone have any suggestions for a reasonably priced amp? Regards, Paul --------------------------------- Get your own web address. Have a HUGE year through Yahoo! Small Business. --0-98885404-1180013330=:51274 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Hi, all:
 
Arrgggg....my latest amp choice (Vox AD60VTX) didn't pan out as well as I liked hence I sold it am again in the market for a home recording amp. I had difficulty getting a consistant decent tone out of the Vox (I'm partial to Black-faced sounding Fenders, a little (or lot of when needed) grit but a clean sound too).
 
Another sidebar, I bought a used Line6 Pro Pod that I'd like to use and running that into a modelling amp didn't seem like a good choice as it was a little problematic to get an undiluted tone with the Vox - although it did have a manual mode.
 
I was thinking about getting some small tube amp and then using the Pro Pod and other outboard effects. I've really been disappointed with the onboard effects of most of the amps I had recently. Something in the line of a fender Pro Junior looks suitable BUT it appeared like it didn't have a line out for recording and looping purposes. The fender Princton recording Amp looks attractive and I may have to pop for the $1K but I'd like to keep the price lower if at all possible. 
 
Does anyone have any suggestions for a reasonably priced amp?
 
Regards, Paul

Get your own web address.
Have a HUGE year through Yahoo! Small Business. --0-98885404-1180013330=:51274-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 24 13:46:33 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 06D313BEE6; Thu, 24 May 2007 13:46:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=lMBu1PL/Nlzh4lqzNmg9H+yaWOdmd8iFwyFBWRFimRblMKglOA8ZNX9lnt868b6hUVS3utMBndeFhQiB7jWQQuc+n6855aZKgCRiovHa7op1FGpKl5N5z2ld3VVCRPwYBF/d+/hzmYHvueqtN7UOU+B1oct+o5eKn/LSGLpYxDg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=BuyjGEd5yCzvz6VIyWtDZraXbTpsWKqk523hoGxqStHzeDSlpit+AbMMecxtCVvn5ROJr1L4UvnTKOF+OJf97rjuXRvsncGhGEr/GGdMNiBQIivcTQgmo11kEESjV17rBMn3xW/XgwIB/cK3GHNJ4LqifHa9GEUqJmj2HVYsgPo= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <291001.51274.qm@web35115.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <291001.51274.qm@web35115.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: OT: The Search for the Perfect Home Recording Amplifier Saga Date: Thu, 24 May 2007 15:46:33 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70425 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 24 May 2007 13:46:33 +0000 (UTC) On 24 maj 2007, at 15.28, Paul Richards wrote: > Does anyone have any suggestions for a reasonably priced amp? I was able to test a Digitech GNX3000 for a couple of weeks and was amazed by how good it sounded. Good sound, lots of effect and quick preset handling on stage. Good built-in speaker simulation and also a way to tap out the stereo signal without the speaker simulation if you should like to plug it into two guitar cabinets. Can be tested in any music store. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://www.myspace.com/looproom http://www.jamendo.com/en/artist/per.boysen/ http://www.jamendo.com/en/artist/lo.fi.lazer/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 24 14:22:46 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 31C523BEE6; Thu, 24 May 2007 14:22:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Originating-IP: [216.113.128.239] X-Identified-User: {864:box76.bluehost.com:kevinkis:kevinkissinger.com} {sentby:webmail from 216.113.128.239} Message-ID: <20070524092243.nfy38rmuos0kgc4s@69.89.21.76> Date: Thu, 24 May 2007 09:22:43 -0500 From: kkissinger@kevinkissinger.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: electro-music festival June 1-3 Philadelphia References: <4650A39C.6010809@soundscapes.us> <2656.69.139.19.240.1179796522.squirrel@webmail.helpwantedproductions.com> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.3) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70426 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 24 May 2007 14:22:46 +0000 (UTC) Quoting Matt Davignon : > I'm not trying to knock the festival or discourage people from > participating - it looks like one of the more promising electronic > events on the east coast. Indeed, I think the electro-music festival is very promising. The =20 festival started out as a kind of get-together for the =20 electro-music.com community and the folks that organize it are =20 improving the outreach to the general public. I agree with people who =20 are skeptical about the "pay to play" thing... I don't normally do =20 such things however, in the case of electro-music, decided to support =20 this effort both by playing, providing some PA equipment, and yep... =20 purchasing a ticket. I believe the future is bright for this event, =20 and in the years to come there will be a budget to help musicians with =20 expenses, etc. In visiting the websites of the performers I can honestly say that the =20 scope, variety, and quality of the music is quite impressive. I hope =20 that the word will catch on with the community at large because much =20 of the music is accessable to general audiences. > In the least accusatory voice I can muster, > I'm curious - what's going on? Are festivals that much more expensive > to put on on the east coast? Is there a really high overhead for the > space rental or advertising costs? Well, I don't have access to that kind of info. By way of comparison, =20 I reserved my neighborhood clubhouse (here in the Kansas City area) =20 for an "open dress rehearsal" (I don't have a room large enough to =20 accomodate my surround-sound PA system and listeners). For one =20 afternoon/evening I was out-of-pocket $50 for the space rental. So, =20 $60 for three days doesn't seem too bad! (Incidentally, the "open rehearsal" worked out very well... the folks =20 who came really had a good time. And, I accomplished my goal -- to =20 run through my electro-music set a few times in front of listeners.) > Comparatively, one festival I work on invites artists, pays them, pays > for plane tickets for out of towners, writes some grant requests and > does local fund raising, and winds up charging the audience about 25% > less. I checked out your website... I would enjoy attending your festival =20 and, of course, would enjoy performing, too. ;) > I don't personally have a lot of experience with grantwriting, but > from an outsiders point of view, it looks like the Electro-Music > festival has a lot of qualities that grant providers look for, a > community aspect with lectures, demos, jam sessions, etc. I will pass this information on to the organizers. Excellent point. In the time-honored tradition of shameless self-promotion, I'd like to =20 invite you to the festival. My set will be on Friday night from 730 =20 to 815 EDT. The entire festival will be streamed live on the internet =20 (see http://event.electro-music.com for details). Two of the works on =20 my set utilize live-looping and will be premiered at electro-music: =20 one that includes tracks from my K2600 and the other entirely real-time. A great day to one and all! -- Kevin From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 24 14:25:23 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 52E693BEF9; Thu, 24 May 2007 14:25:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Originating-IP: [216.113.128.239] X-Identified-User: {864:box76.bluehost.com:kevinkis:kevinkissinger.com} {sentby:webmail from 216.113.128.239} Message-ID: <20070524092521.lcbyqp2nwckoocgc@69.89.21.76> Date: Thu, 24 May 2007 09:25:21 -0500 From: kkissinger@kevinkissinger.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: electro-music festival June 1-3 Philadelphia References: <4650A39C.6010809@soundscapes.us> <2656.69.139.19.240.1179796522.squirrel@webmail.helpwantedproductions.com> <20070524092243.nfy38rmuos0kgc4s@69.89.21.76> In-Reply-To: <20070524092243.nfy38rmuos0kgc4s@69.89.21.76> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.3) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70427 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 24 May 2007 14:25:23 +0000 (UTC) Quoting kkissinger@kevinkissinger.com: > I believe the future is bright for this event, > and in the years to come there will be a budget to help musicians with > expenses, etc. Just to clarify, I believe that be a budget to help out musicians in the future is a possibility. -- Kevin From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 24 15:32:38 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BDC863BEDC; Thu, 24 May 2007 15:32:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:content-transfer-encoding:message-id:content-type:to:from:subject:date:x-mailer; b=enCvCWp+f639ex3rog/Fa2S+7gTE+VoZSUes42GZIQFFuhfruwhwdL2qGswDoBd+xNNAsrvQ0dCD94U/JN8QW82xyvuPH287x/9BJh0T3AkPseXnKWhoi4I4Qr47FL6TNpT+GM1dUw+c5I3F/Uhe4ppQvPs9QJpPu2RQGqNHUP0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:mime-version:content-transfer-encoding:message-id:content-type:to:from:subject:date:x-mailer; b=TtX+gvQyZEGxV7sSL62iC4eyV+mjPsTYwvUaM8IfhtJSdHV7lDnMD6YsB4G7r8Qn06efEqe0SSgOdO+kppyGjtumJX9wMrhBBfPtR6ScKvCjHEbakbN2sSX1gP9ysNEIUGTZx1vhiVickJeDUCq4qTFvNZTyxBhHYQn0CV6Ts9I= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <0066C0A1-0507-47C5-92FC-FEE669B626C1@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: RP Collier Subject: ot: minimal ambient video Date: Thu, 24 May 2007 08:32:32 -0700 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70428 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 24 May 2007 15:32:38 +0000 (UTC) Another new minimal ambient thumb piano video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l-UUdsGPVas Actually sort of on topic, the track is looped in Ableton and uses the Pluggo "Frequency Shift" vst. I had mainly been using the camera mic in recent videos but in this case the recording was done with the Zoom H4 using the limiter function. regards BobC http://tinyurl.com/yt8f8j http://tinyurl.com/cr25j From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 24 19:37:24 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D4D143BEE4; Thu, 24 May 2007 19:37:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4655E973.60600@mail.dk> Date: Thu, 24 May 2007 21:37:23 +0200 From: Ian Petersen User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.0 (Windows/20070326) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: The Search for the Perfect Home Recording Amplifier Saga References: <291001.51274.qm@web35115.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <291001.51274.qm@web35115.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <6FT9TC.A.fG.0leVGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70429 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 24 May 2007 19:37:24 +0000 (UTC) Paul, > Does anyone have any suggestions for a reasonably priced amp? Build your own! I can warmly recommend MADAMP tube amp kits (www.madamp.biz). I've built both the G2 and J5, and they're both great small practice/recording amps with - to my taste at least - great tone. Obviously, you need to know which end of a soldering iron is the business end, but I'd never built anything other than simple stomp boxes before and both amps worked first time for me. The G2 costs a little over $100 and the J5 around $200. For recording direct with these amps I use a Palmer Junction DI box and/or a Weber MiniMass speaker sim. Both of these enable taking a line output from the speaker output of the amps which sounds much better than a normal 'line out'. I'm not an analogue purist by any means, but I do find the knobby combination of stomp boxes and small tube amps more satisfying than Pod-like digital emulations. Especially when I've built the effects, amps and, for that matter, most of the guitars myself ... Ian From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 24 19:43:48 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 64E5C3BEF0; Thu, 24 May 2007 19:43:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=jVyc07Sz0g2Y57+i5E5w1750i1Umu4+AxxUNVqgpM6wGOepOUanqjiHsNWExT2NPlhrScsqnTVQww70gVKNS2jvTY/SUrQLJM0meL0ACI0rKDfeypUD4DvRosAqdO3BTjhK58WPhiOgSviAZfp27FvaTdyZWWQNSGTCBcUwNHiI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=tq+oJo2/+TtJ0uNxBu1j8K9HGIKI0f/xQkDxkgSdhRt/pDDgV0cKLbsq6/QlT6F/BEf9CwmsxGUfEznu/WRqMJfynMWekHlesFCXa1mh2+tv4AgkW7XyEIBijIasFJEhrXURS8RhlIg2ld2ygxCdZALhM8il7cooY8BFwEVH07s= Message-ID: Date: Thu, 24 May 2007 14:43:46 -0500 From: "Doug Cox" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: The Search for the Perfect Home Recording Amplifier Saga In-Reply-To: <4655E973.60600@mail.dk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_121144_11716169.1180035826043" References: <291001.51274.qm@web35115.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4655E973.60600@mail.dk> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70430 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 24 May 2007 19:43:48 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_121144_11716169.1180035826043 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Consider trying a Sansamp GT2. No digital modeling - it's a solid state circuit that does a great job of emulating tube amp tones. It does Fender clean tones particularly well. It doesn't have any built-in effects (other than gain/overdrive). I've tried the GT-6, GT-8, POD Pro and ProXT, and a few of the Digitech things, and none of them sounded as good as the GT-2 for straight amp emulation (especially low to mid gain applications). Doug ------=_Part_121144_11716169.1180035826043 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Consider trying a Sansamp GT2.

No digital modeling - it's a solid state circuit that does a great job of emulating tube amp tones.  It does Fender clean tones particularly well.

It doesn't have any built-in effects (other than gain/overdrive).

I've tried the GT-6, GT-8, POD Pro and ProXT, and a few of the Digitech things, and none of them sounded as good as the GT-2 for straight amp emulation (especially low to mid gain applications).

Doug
------=_Part_121144_11716169.1180035826043-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 24 20:12:21 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2A23B3BEF1; Thu, 24 May 2007 20:12:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [63.93.82.56] From: max valentino To: Subject: RE: OT: The Search for the Perfect Home Recording Amplifier Saga Date: Thu, 24 May 2007 20:12:17 +0000 Importance: Normal Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 May 2007 20:12:18.0078 (UTC) FILETIME=[D40823E0:01C79E3F] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70431 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 24 May 2007 20:12:21 +0000 (UTC) You might want to define your idea of "reasonably priced". But....I would = check out Red Iron Amps (www.redironamps.com) Low wattage (from as little = as 1 w to 50), all tube (and hand built) amps. Really high quality! Not di= rt cheap, but not astronomical either. There is a review of a couple in the= curent Vinatge Guitar Magazine. I use one of their all tube buffer amps t= o warm up my loops...it sounds amazing---I also use it to treat recorded di= gital tracks and add some drive and ...well, "tube-ness". Worth a gander. Max ________________________________ _________________________________________________________________ Change is good. See what=92s different about Windows Live Hotmail. www.windowslive-hotmail.com/learnmore/default.html?locale=3Den-us&ocid=3DTX= T_TAGLM_HMWL_reten_changegood_0507= From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 24 20:17:26 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 175283BEFE; Thu, 24 May 2007 20:17:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [63.93.82.56] From: max valentino To: Subject: RE: OT: The Search for the Perfect Home Recording Amplifier Saga Date: Thu, 24 May 2007 20:17:24 +0000 Importance: Normal Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 May 2007 20:17:24.0757 (UTC) FILETIME=[8AD3A450:01C79E40] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70432 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 24 May 2007 20:17:26 +0000 (UTC) and.... on that note....the Red Iron buffer was designed to be used to and = amp-qualities to PODs. Run a POD into the buffer and direct onto to protoo= ls or whatever. I really dislike the sound of the POD (regardless of model= )...just doesn't do it for me. But, I recently ran a Bass POD thru the thi= s Buffer....amazing difference! And, as I said, it also makes for a handy quasi-reamp box. Max ________________________________ > I was thinking about getting some small tube amp and then using the Pro P= od and other outboard effects. I've really been disappointed with the onboa= rd effects of most of the amps I had recently. Something in the line of a f= ender Pro Junior looks suitable BUT it appeared like it didn't have a line = out for recording and looping purposes. The fender Princton recording Amp l= ooks attractive and I may have to pop for the $1K but I'd like to keep the = price lower if at all possible. _________________________________________________________________ Add some color. Personalize your inbox with your favorite colors. www.windowslive-hotmail.com/learnmore/personalize.html?locale=3Den-us&ocid= =3DTXT_TAGLM_HMWL_reten_addcolor_0507= From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 24 20:40:47 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1CF803BEF9; Thu, 24 May 2007 20:40:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Jens Wolters" To: Subject: looking for looper that syncs to real drums Date: Thu, 24 May 2007 22:40:57 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0134_01C79E54.98FAE750" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Thread-Index: AceeQ9QtiIZsDWNGS9abCjIqHGV2Sw== Message-Id: <20070524204046.1974B3BEE6@arsenic.violacea.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70433 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 24 May 2007 20:40:46 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0134_01C79E54.98FAE750 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi guys, I have tested all kinds of loopers now but cannot find what I am looking for. This is the situation: I am playing in a band with a drummer and I would like to sync my loops to his beats. So basicly I need a looper wich adjusts the tempo of the loop when I am tapping the tempo with a foot pedal. Right now the loop and the drummer are drifting apart. The drummer is pretty tight. But on stage he sometimes can't hear my loops. So I would like to adjust the tempo of the loop by a maximum 1 or 2 bpm. Actually the Boss RC-50 exactly does what I am looking for. I tap the tempo with my foot and the tempo adjusts to the tempo of the drummer. This is really great cause we can play kind of free. But here comes the big problem. Even when changing from let's say 120 to 119 bpm the loop sounds terrible. It is not a little quality loss but it's really not acceptable. I now that pitch shifting in real time can be done with a decent quality. At least if it's just a little bit slower or faster. So guys. Does anybody now of a decent looping device that does what I want? I would rather you use pedal loopers (Hardware) than Software. But if there is no other solution I might have to go for a Notebook solution. Greetings Jens ------=_NextPart_000_0134_01C79E54.98FAE750 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi guys,

 

I have tested all kinds of loopers now but = cannot find what I am looking for. This is the = situation:

I am playing in a band with a drummer and I = would like to sync my loops to his beats.

 

So basicly I need a looper wich adjusts the = tempo of the loop when I am tapping the tempo with a foot pedal. Right now the = loop and the drummer are drifting apart.

The drummer is pretty tight. But on stage he sometimes can’t hear my loops.

 

So I would like to adjust the tempo of the = loop by a maximum 1 or 2 bpm. Actually the Boss RC-50 exactly does what I am looking for. = I tap the tempo with my foot and the tempo adjusts to the tempo of the = drummer. This is really great cause we can play kind of free. =

 

But here comes the big problem. Even when = changing from let’s say 120 to 119 bpm the loop sounds terrible. It is not = a little quality loss but it’s really not = acceptable.

I now that pitch shifting in real time can be = done with a decent quality. At least if it’s just a little bit slower or = faster.

 

So guys. Does anybody now of a decent looping = device that does what I want?  I would rather you use pedal loopers (Hardware) = than Software. But if there is no other solution I might have to go for a = Notebook solution.

 

Greetings Jens

 

 

 

------=_NextPart_000_0134_01C79E54.98FAE750-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 24 21:12:22 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 781113BEFC; Thu, 24 May 2007 21:12:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: AW: looking for looper that syncs to real drums Date: Thu, 24 May 2007 23:12:38 +0200 Organization: Moinlabs Message-ID: <000701c79e48$4255c660$1001a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Thread-Index: AceeQ9QtiIZsDWNGS9abCjIqHGV2SwABFpaQ In-Reply-To: <20070524204046.1974B3BEE6@arsenic.violacea.com> X-RZG-AUTH: lUESeo99iNzPL8kuBgLYdKEqUywq9cxqeRA+BtFcSCD5deQ7OIWOxwVeGeM= X-RZG-CLASS-ID: mo07 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70434 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 24 May 2007 21:12:22 +0000 (UTC) Repeater. You might even try the beat sync mode fed by your drummer's BD. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 24 21:13:02 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A23973BF11; Thu, 24 May 2007 21:13:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=UWnEhGCnP0H1Ug6j82O8m/dXuuFZkmztq4u8U/ZXZzFSolccBYcMilX3x++HJ34oiL87QNu2uifftiusOeZhvOBD2asNqxoXHva6PwFZH6zpVygcmEy6wnYwxE+JJLRgw4iS1gf3GjWidzusJWhWABSLuifrU+19EQi3VEZuUhw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=WT7BydKglOaIzca24ZbsCfDDfprC45ZNrhfXKz3UUAMRACYVUuOqjycyYhwach/jm8eB22NtNG/sId0gH95sHj3rkSVpMG1+4bG7U8cU06uw0vB/PDD1sRtDQzwzlvfYU89xjALbEZW15jTUcBvVdeVPiC0+vfsAo6K2XMBdA1k= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <20070524204046.1974B3BEE6@arsenic.violacea.com> References: <20070524204046.1974B3BEE6@arsenic.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <8F55DEAA-AC77-4B03-9D80-A014FCEB22BE@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: looking for looper that syncs to real drums Date: Thu, 24 May 2007 23:13:06 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: <1CHKX.A.TMF.e_fVGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70435 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 24 May 2007 21:13:02 +0000 (UTC) On 24 maj 2007, at 22.40, Jens Wolters wrote: > But here comes the big problem. Even when changing from let=92s say =20= > 120 to 119 bpm the loop sounds terrible. It is not a little quality =20= > loss but it=92s really not acceptable. > > I now that pitch shifting in real time can be done with a decent =20 > quality. At least if it=92s just a little bit slower or faster. Hi Jens, I have always been satisfied with using my EDP when playing in an =20 ensemble where I am the one that has to adapt to a changing tempo. I =20 set "More Loops =3D 1" and then I record a new loop every time I need =20= to adjust the tempo. The longer loops I create the more accurate they =20= sync up with the band. This is a different concept than trying to =20 change the playback speed while keeping the same loop all the time. I =20= stick to my method because I think it sounds better in a musical =20 sense. Only two pedal kicks needed: (1) setting the start point and =20 (2) setting the loop point. It's also a lot more fun because it lets =20 you play more with whatever instrument you use for the source audio =20 to be looped. The Repeater has good sound quality even when loops are being time-=20 stretched. However, when I had a repeater I never used its built-in =20 tap tempo function because I could nail the tempo much quicker and =20 more accurate with the EDP trick described above. But as I had the =20 Repeater sync slaving after the EDP they both adapted well to the =20 live band. IMHO it's an impossible project to use tap tempo because =20 the "tempo catch up" process will always lag behind the music. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://www.myspace.com/looproom http://www.jamendo.com/en/artist/per.boysen/ http://www.jamendo.com/en/artist/lo.fi.lazer/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 24 21:23:25 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7FBED3BF0B; Thu, 24 May 2007 21:23:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Jens Wolters" To: Subject: AW: looking for looper that syncs to real drums Date: Thu, 24 May 2007 23:23:36 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Thread-Index: AceeSFQmfTlkxHXqS6W2jVB7LQ12QQAAL5og In-Reply-To: <8F55DEAA-AC77-4B03-9D80-A014FCEB22BE@gmail.com> Message-Id: <20070524212324.B4C4F3BEFA@arsenic.violacea.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70436 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 24 May 2007 21:23:25 +0000 (UTC) Hello, thanks alot. I am still wondering why the RC-50 sounds that bad. I just tried the pitch changing on my RC-20 which sounds OK. But with the RC-20 = I just can change the pitch after I saved the patch. So this doesn't make sense. I don't have the budget for the EDP or Repeater right now. So I might = take another look at the Moebius EDP Clone which is software based. Per. I don't get your concept actually. I am mainly working with short loops. As I wrote most of the time our drummer is tight. I just have to adjust the tempo a bit.=20 Another option for me would to get a MIDI clock from the drummer. But = still the loopers pitch shift function should be sounding OK. Hase anbody tried the pitch shifting within Moebius ? Greetings Jens -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- Von: Per Boysen [mailto:perboysen@gmail.com]=20 Gesendet: Donnerstag, 24. Mai 2007 23:13 An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Betreff: Re: looking for looper that syncs to real drums On 24 maj 2007, at 22.40, Jens Wolters wrote: > But here comes the big problem. Even when changing from let=92s say =20 > 120 to 119 bpm the loop sounds terrible. It is not a little quality =20 > loss but it=92s really not acceptable. > > I now that pitch shifting in real time can be done with a decent =20 > quality. At least if it=92s just a little bit slower or faster. Hi Jens, I have always been satisfied with using my EDP when playing in an =20 ensemble where I am the one that has to adapt to a changing tempo. I =20 set "More Loops =3D 1" and then I record a new loop every time I need =20 to adjust the tempo. The longer loops I create the more accurate they =20 sync up with the band. This is a different concept than trying to =20 change the playback speed while keeping the same loop all the time. I =20 stick to my method because I think it sounds better in a musical =20 sense. Only two pedal kicks needed: (1) setting the start point and =20 (2) setting the loop point. It's also a lot more fun because it lets =20 you play more with whatever instrument you use for the source audio =20 to be looped. The Repeater has good sound quality even when loops are being time-=20 stretched. However, when I had a repeater I never used its built-in =20 tap tempo function because I could nail the tempo much quicker and =20 more accurate with the EDP trick described above. But as I had the =20 Repeater sync slaving after the EDP they both adapted well to the =20 live band. IMHO it's an impossible project to use tap tempo because =20 the "tempo catch up" process will always lag behind the music. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://www.myspace.com/looproom http://www.jamendo.com/en/artist/per.boysen/ http://www.jamendo.com/en/artist/lo.fi.lazer/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 24 21:32:08 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D709B3BF06; Thu, 24 May 2007 21:32:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [63.93.82.121] From: max valentino To: Subject: RE: AW: looking for looper that syncs to real drums Date: Thu, 24 May 2007 21:32:06 +0000 Importance: Normal Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 May 2007 21:32:06.0976 (UTC) FILETIME=[FA6FFC00:01C79E4A] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70437 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 24 May 2007 21:32:08 +0000 (UTC) In regards to the tempo shift...and the "drummer sometimes not be able to = hear my loops", wouldn't it be simpler to rig up a sort of aux monitor send= of just your loops to the drummer? I have found that working with ensembl= es with good drummers it is much easier, more "musical", smoother and thus = more preferable to have the human "shift" to keep time with the loops, as o= pposed to digitally shifteing the time to keep with a human (who will inevi= tably shift things again...). If the drummer is good, tight as you say....then make sure he can hear your= loopage well. IMHO that is the big secret to making loops work in groups;= not MIDI clocks or beat shifting...... Max _________________________________________________________________ Add some color. Personalize your inbox with your favorite colors. www.windowslive-hotmail.com/learnmore/personalize.html?locale=3Den-us&ocid= =3DTXT_TAGLM_HMWL_reten_addcolor_0507= From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 24 21:40:53 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DE5AE3BF1B; Thu, 24 May 2007 21:40:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Jens Wolters" To: Subject: AW: AW: looking for looper that syncs to real drums Date: Thu, 24 May 2007 23:41:04 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Thread-Index: AceeSv/QKWUEmgnfQgi33ZiPg8FgeAAAJMAg In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <20070524214052.4D2453BEF8@arsenic.violacea.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70438 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 24 May 2007 21:40:53 +0000 (UTC) Max, you are right. Maybe the solution is as simple as that. I am still quite fascinated about what I am reading about the Repeater. Is there any budget looper that allows more than one track? As I told = you I have the RC-50 for testing. I am not shure why, but somehow I don't like this looper too much. Too much menus and parameters for live looping in = my opinion. I don=92t need all those drums sounds anyway. Actually I enjoy = my RC-20 more. I just which it had more than one track. =20 Greetings Jens -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- Von: max valentino [mailto:ekstasis1@hotmail.com]=20 Gesendet: Donnerstag, 24. Mai 2007 23:32 An: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Betreff: RE: AW: looking for looper that syncs to real drums In regards to the tempo shift...and the "drummer sometimes not be able = to hear my loops", wouldn't it be simpler to rig up a sort of aux monitor = send of just your loops to the drummer? I have found that working with = ensembles with good drummers it is much easier, more "musical", smoother and thus = more preferable to have the human "shift" to keep time with the loops, as = opposed to digitally shifteing the time to keep with a human (who will = inevitably shift things again...). If the drummer is good, tight as you say....then make sure he can hear = your loopage well. IMHO that is the big secret to making loops work in = groups; not MIDI clocks or beat shifting...... Max _________________________________________________________________ Add some color. Personalize your inbox with your favorite colors. www.windowslive-hotmail.com/learnmore/personalize.html?locale=3Den-us&oci= d=3DTXT _TAGLM_HMWL_reten_addcolor_0507 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 24 22:05:31 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 646DC3BEFE; Thu, 24 May 2007 22:05:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=hO/mjo1Ir82QQVVojScYiLAQRbD9pCvuVinuWhFBuepEYoiqGUfzi1SMfKHPYpJ9k16q5OK+Ku7CcbjwuQy0GlgXiBIJAHhnZWyG8siOmEdqwhv1LfdRzEGtA3gHDJsHIbGR3CCp8CGfl4/vv91TdSFNEPB72T607aJjmfDfj8g= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=RpJAVTlNo3jA34gimT5whsEYGGOIuZMGZy3GkDYTwdSNHlMw84sD6mAV06A5v1yNvZMVlAgyyfsil9KyFXeA/6g2JsY3NYL194SDu55QhlkAkqMK5eU1eJN23DxyfHBBp2UguBCUCv06b6bVMcmwJfQPoio+ORW8ZdzLV6RmqF4= Message-ID: Date: Thu, 24 May 2007 15:05:19 -0700 From: "Matt Davignon" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Flow and Electronic Musical Instrument Design In-Reply-To: <200705181019812.SM08160@quahome> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <200705181019812.SM08160@quahome> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70439 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 24 May 2007 22:05:31 +0000 (UTC) I'm glad this discussion has come up - it's something I think about a lot. When I made the switch from cassette 4-track to computer hard disc recording, I quickly found that my recorded productivity took a sudden and steep downturn. I simply didn't have the patience to edit, normalize, noise-reduce and master each track before going back to record the next one, or opening up multiple programs to work with the same audio file, or mapping out each fader adjustment. Of course there are solutions for these, but the solutions usually involve adding more hardware or software. As a live performer on electronics, I feel like I'm right on the 'old' side of the age threshold where everyone starts using laptop computers. (Most 'electronic musicians' I know who are my age and younger use laptops.) I feel like my current instrument (drum machine) is a great foot in both worlds - I can make complex electronic sounds as much as anyone, but I also get that expressiveness and immediate sound-to-gesture relationship of 'real' instruments. I was recently looking at getting one of the newer drum machines - where the keys are mapped out in a more sensible way for notes (4 rows of 5 keys like a bass guitar) but then they miss all the features that make my current one so good (drum roll button). The new ones have expression pedals, but no drum roll button. (scoff) Matt Davignon www.ribosomemusic.com >Craig McCollough [mailto:craig@craigmccollough.com] was all: > > Hey All - > > I found this great article which bridges some things that I've been working > on personally and at work (flow concepts) with electronic musical instrument > design. I think many of you will appreciate and enjoy it as well. > > http://digitalmedia.oreilly.com/2004/12/29/flow_1204.html > > Cheers, > Craig From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 24 22:09:04 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B22E63BF01; Thu, 24 May 2007 22:09:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: AW: Flow and Electronic Musical Instrument Design Date: Fri, 25 May 2007 00:09:20 +0200 Organization: Moinlabs Message-ID: <000501c79e50$2da24510$1001a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Thread-Index: AceeT6Tt4IP+jy5ISo2xE8q18+2YSgAAGv7Q X-RZG-AUTH: lUESeo99iNzPL8kuBgLYdKEqUywq9cxqeRA+BtFcSCD5deQ7OIJagGMFgSQ= X-RZG-CLASS-ID: mo07 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70440 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 24 May 2007 22:09:04 +0000 (UTC) Perhaps get a laptop plus a drum machine-style controller and implement the drumm roll button software-wise? ;) > instruments. I was recently looking at getting one of the > newer drum machines - where the keys are mapped out in a more > sensible way for notes (4 rows of 5 keys like a bass guitar) > but then they miss all the features that make my current one > so good (drum roll button). The new ones have expression > pedals, but no drum roll button. (scoff) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 24 22:18:27 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E5C143BF17; Thu, 24 May 2007 22:18:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [63.93.82.24] From: max valentino To: Subject: RE: AW: AW: looking for looper that syncs to real drums Date: Thu, 24 May 2007 22:18:25 +0000 Importance: Normal Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 May 2007 22:18:25.0285 (UTC) FILETIME=[72704B50:01C79E51] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70441 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 24 May 2007 22:18:26 +0000 (UTC) My experience tells me that in issues of "time" humans react better than ma= chines (even if thhe Wizard is behind the curtain pulling levers and pushin= g buttons). Pitch shift, time stretch and all are very cool effects, but w= henit cmes to sync'ing live playing with loops....let the live players adju= st to the loops, not the other way around. Tho' I love looping, and do A L= OT of it...I have become not so obsessed with the hardware anymore. I have= an edp which I don't even use, recently sold two DL4s and a Digitech JamBo= y...I stick with my upgraded/modified Lexi JamMan (which, btw, allows for m= uliple serial and/or parallel "tracks"). I guess the point here is rather than search to find that bit o' gear which= will "sync to real drums" have your real drums do a "variable sync" to you= r loops.... To my knowledge, the Boss (which I did not like either...not did I care tha= t much for the RC20), is the only "budget" looper with multiple tracks.=20 Max ---------------------------------------- > From: jenswolters@gebaeude7.de > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: AW: AW: looking for looper that syncs to real drums > Date: Thu, 24 May 2007 23:41:04 +0200 >=20 > Max, >=20 > you are right. Maybe the solution is as simple as that. I am still quite > fascinated about what I am reading about the Repeater. >=20 > Is there any budget looper that allows more than one track? As I told you= I > have the RC-50 for testing. I am not shure why, but somehow I don't like > this looper too much. Too much menus and parameters for live looping in m= y > opinion. I don=92t need all those drums sounds anyway. Actually I enjoy m= y > RC-20 more. I just which it had more than one track. =20 >=20 > Greetings Jens >=20 >=20 > -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- > Von: max valentino [mailto:ekstasis1@hotmail.com]=20 > Gesendet: Donnerstag, 24. Mai 2007 23:32 > An: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com > Betreff: RE: AW: looking for looper that syncs to real drums >=20 >=20 >=20 > In regards to the tempo shift...and the "drummer sometimes not be able t= o > hear my loops", wouldn't it be simpler to rig up a sort of aux monitor se= nd > of just your loops to the drummer? I have found that working with ensemb= les > with good drummers it is much easier, more "musical", smoother and thus m= ore > preferable to have the human "shift" to keep time with the loops, as oppo= sed > to digitally shifteing the time to keep with a human (who will inevitably > shift things again...). >=20 > If the drummer is good, tight as you say....then make sure he can hear yo= ur > loopage well. IMHO that is the big secret to making loops work in groups= ; > not MIDI clocks or beat shifting...... >=20 > Max >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > _________________________________________________________________ > Add some color. Personalize your inbox with your favorite colors. > www.windowslive-hotmail.com/learnmore/personalize.html?locale=3Den-us&oci= d=3DTXT > _TAGLM_HMWL_reten_addcolor_0507 >=20 _________________________________________________________________ Add some color. Personalize your inbox with your favorite colors. www.windowslive-hotmail.com/learnmore/personalize.html?locale=3Den-us&ocid= =3DTXT_TAGLM_HMWL_reten_addcolor_0507= From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 24 22:21:06 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 40FA03BF20; Thu, 24 May 2007 22:21:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Jens Wolters" To: Subject: AW: AW: AW: looking for looper that syncs to real drums Date: Fri, 25 May 2007 00:21:17 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Thread-Index: AceeUXN16dgIljYvQY+xpfKn5EpGBAAAEgwQ In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <20070524222105.832943BF0F@arsenic.violacea.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70442 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 24 May 2007 22:21:06 +0000 (UTC) Max you have the old Lexicon JamMan? Why do you like that one ? -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- Von: max valentino [mailto:ekstasis1@hotmail.com]=20 Gesendet: Freitag, 25. Mai 2007 00:18 An: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Betreff: RE: AW: AW: looking for looper that syncs to real drums My experience tells me that in issues of "time" humans react better than machines (even if thhe Wizard is behind the curtain pulling levers and pushing buttons). Pitch shift, time stretch and all are very cool = effects, but whenit cmes to sync'ing live playing with loops....let the live = players adjust to the loops, not the other way around. Tho' I love looping, and = do A LOT of it...I have become not so obsessed with the hardware anymore. = I have an edp which I don't even use, recently sold two DL4s and a = Digitech JamBoy...I stick with my upgraded/modified Lexi JamMan (which, btw, = allows for muliple serial and/or parallel "tracks"). I guess the point here is rather than search to find that bit o' gear = which will "sync to real drums" have your real drums do a "variable sync" to = your loops.... To my knowledge, the Boss (which I did not like either...not did I care = that much for the RC20), is the only "budget" looper with multiple tracks.=20 Max ---------------------------------------- > From: jenswolters@gebaeude7.de > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: AW: AW: looking for looper that syncs to real drums > Date: Thu, 24 May 2007 23:41:04 +0200 >=20 > Max, >=20 > you are right. Maybe the solution is as simple as that. I am still = quite > fascinated about what I am reading about the Repeater. >=20 > Is there any budget looper that allows more than one track? As I told = you I > have the RC-50 for testing. I am not shure why, but somehow I don't = like > this looper too much. Too much menus and parameters for live looping = in my > opinion. I don=92t need all those drums sounds anyway. Actually I = enjoy my > RC-20 more. I just which it had more than one track. =20 >=20 > Greetings Jens >=20 >=20 > -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- > Von: max valentino [mailto:ekstasis1@hotmail.com]=20 > Gesendet: Donnerstag, 24. Mai 2007 23:32 > An: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com > Betreff: RE: AW: looking for looper that syncs to real drums >=20 >=20 >=20 > In regards to the tempo shift...and the "drummer sometimes not be = able to > hear my loops", wouldn't it be simpler to rig up a sort of aux monitor send > of just your loops to the drummer? I have found that working with ensembles > with good drummers it is much easier, more "musical", smoother and = thus more > preferable to have the human "shift" to keep time with the loops, as opposed > to digitally shifteing the time to keep with a human (who will = inevitably > shift things again...). >=20 > If the drummer is good, tight as you say....then make sure he can hear your > loopage well. IMHO that is the big secret to making loops work in = groups; > not MIDI clocks or beat shifting...... >=20 > Max >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > _________________________________________________________________ > Add some color. Personalize your inbox with your favorite colors. > www.windowslive-hotmail.com/learnmore/personalize.html?locale=3Den-us&oci= d=3DTXT > _TAGLM_HMWL_reten_addcolor_0507 >=20 _________________________________________________________________ Add some color. Personalize your inbox with your favorite colors. www.windowslive-hotmail.com/learnmore/personalize.html?locale=3Den-us&oci= d=3DTXT _TAGLM_HMWL_reten_addcolor_0507 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 24 22:37:00 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A53093BF1A; Thu, 24 May 2007 22:37:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=q6LaPSXrVuBoqXdPILsi02vTIiNSt/0eZ4OB5TTu+w3hdde8YGD6Z2EkqDkuSj5qtflwtBqD8ByGzlcHA1GHVac33HFIMbX6nkj+t4j05V9BASKH49Dyo+EzxybhF+A3T8rvGUq0Ow0kLiRfow3cfGzDneI/ElQIbpQnZujN2VY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=GahTbaN63jj89o3KpiuJ7+pkV913dslSSeQUwyvOUIW6ibDaUNXuKn64kskUsImtzGdFCV8/wubDNaP+qIh0tgpGlYr/QpzLdlSvCYa4S3IHagSd98LIFZOjLbDXyQ3LdcwR9CvJ65DqIN1B1gREUAam4756ZtVm4u7ORChX/lc= Message-ID: Date: Thu, 24 May 2007 17:36:57 -0500 From: "Doug Cox" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: AW: AW: looking for looper that syncs to real drums In-Reply-To: <20070524222105.832943BF0F@arsenic.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_123505_12069656.1180046217815" References: <20070524222105.832943BF0F@arsenic.violacea.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70443 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 24 May 2007 22:37:00 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_123505_12069656.1180046217815 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline I think this is similar to what Per is saying, but I'd encourage you to learn how to "restart" your loops on the RC-50 and try that with your drummer. So, if a loop starts to drift from where the drummer's beat is - *you* force a restart of the loop exactly on the "1". If he's reasonably tight (sounds like he is), then he won't have drifted too far from the tempo caught in your loop, and everything will be good again for a while. This is the way I finally learned to integrate looping into a live band situation. Works beautifully once everyone knows that those are the rules of the game. Drummer doesn't have to strain to hear/adjust to your loops - his job is just to stay steady in the groove. Also, restarting on something other than the "1" (for instance, on the 3.5!) can produce some nice syncopation. Doug ------=_Part_123505_12069656.1180046217815 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline I think this is similar to what Per is saying, but I'd encourage you to learn how to "restart" your loops on the RC-50 and try that with your drummer.  So, if a loop starts to drift from where the drummer's beat is - *you* force a restart of the loop exactly on the "1".  If he's reasonably tight (sounds like he is), then he won't have drifted too far from the tempo caught in your loop, and everything will be good again for a while.

This is the way I finally learned to integrate looping into a live band situation.  Works beautifully once everyone knows that those are the rules of the game.  Drummer doesn't have to strain to hear/adjust to your loops - his job is just to stay steady in the groove.

Also, restarting on something other than the "1" (for instance, on the 3.5!) can produce some nice syncopation.

Doug
------=_Part_123505_12069656.1180046217815-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 24 22:50:00 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 87BF73BF01; Thu, 24 May 2007 22:50:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=D2mRBh67JMpr/gmwXdL93BP89VPtqbhffIPnsLoe42Ayok5l1lF9n0e+2oaWhqknu73caaCg//5nr7EfQ/MJMwFDAD+Npq3T525g34qDWIvvOJe3xf/+1q9fTHORRGS0S8FpLa8Wl+VoiIABZsh64zT12ryIf3f6j3prBPhzRLA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=Gk1QxoYl78EHysdbEcJJ8wdT+Bb7MraXzUwh23h7/XU4eQbjfy6bFJonTmQrm3HfX1mbQChK207OMjnc1uD76BSeGVyNa2OTaffIcJL6lLQQ4mUtEq7sSoKmSWS48JBPzaRGwhtfvJA/ZPZTnvUutbvz3nkRfo7RigHt8f3M0D4= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: References: <200705181019812.SM08160@quahome> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <4455E682-3417-4958-828C-8AA926D4FFC1@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Flow and Electronic Musical Instrument Design Date: Fri, 25 May 2007 00:50:05 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: <1pTUrC.A.FcC.YahVGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70444 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 24 May 2007 22:50:00 +0000 (UTC) On 25 maj 2007, at 00.05, Matt Davignon wrote: > When I made the switch from cassette 4-track to computer hard disc > recording, I quickly found that my recorded productivity took a sudden > and steep downturn. Matt, I had exactly the same experience. I was very productive with my f-track cassette recorder but never really caught up with computer based hard disc systems. So I had to start composing more or less in my head so I had most parts finished when I started recording. But the music sucked from the composition based method... which of course might say more about me than about composing as a method to create music ;-)) But since 1983 I had found a couple of digital delays and a harmonizer that let me do live looping and that was way more musically satisfying. So I turned more into looping than multitrack recording. I sometimes also used two reel2reel tape recorders, but that was not a very portable setup. When the Lexicon Jamman was released wanted to get one but couldn't afford it so I used to rent one on a regular basis. Enter the EDP, wow - like heaven :-) > I feel like my current instrument (drum machine) is a great foot in > both worlds - I can make complex electronic sounds as much as anyone, > but I also get that expressiveness and immediate sound-to-gesture > relationship of 'real' instruments. You should stick to that old stuff and keep using it as your instrument! If you should get into laptops it would maybe make most sense to simply put the laptop on the table as a passive recorder of what you're doing with those drum machine buttons etc. Use the lappy to assemble your most inspired performances. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 24 22:53:18 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 78DCD3BF10; Thu, 24 May 2007 22:53:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=MPwV8CFYSWIlkFprOQ8kzqpBZWYFUsRcgXBEb56cV5h8gbL6mmouJSXi6dOrC6Pfq8DqTzxcc/KNCllII9OLtb2+utKANpGhVp7LY8gelY/5w4VHwKAggCNPxOKr5ZQHyMPpazel3z9Ogv8cfT/2Q+ENdt/JD7gRT2VNRYf8BpY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=ARYmmZDfDOecG+OV7WeEvus2zUPYJkwr42GfBV9xE0a8YgxbNySd8Daio5A84nsG/Tcr/k7aAwd0NSvQvTl/iQyOV/fR7RuqKK5MjBi9kLizVt1si1wvDA2hi8357XB4m94UYWGhUekMkOzwrIJgCYizYlbIfbWfahr7orG7ioM= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: References: <20070524222105.832943BF0F@arsenic.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <428337E2-BA9E-4B9D-8585-F3792A157378@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: AW: AW: looking for looper that syncs to real drums Date: Fri, 25 May 2007 00:53:21 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70445 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 24 May 2007 22:53:18 +0000 (UTC) On 25 maj 2007, at 00.36, Doug Cox wrote: > I think this is similar to what Per is saying, but I'd encourage =20 > you to learn how to "restart" your loops on the RC-50 and try that =20 > with your drummer. So, if a loop starts to drift from where the =20 > drummer's beat is - *you* force a restart of the loop exactly on =20 > the "1". If he's reasonably tight (sounds like he is), then he =20 > won't have drifted too far from the tempo caught in your loop, and =20 > everything will be good again for a while. Good call, Doug! I remember Z=FCrich Loopfest 2003 where Matthias =20 Loibner did that all the time to line up all his multiple Mobius/=20 laptop loops with the live drummer. The good old stutter trick ;-)) =20 Makes good sense when using short loops. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://www.myspace.com/looproom http://www.jamendo.com/en/artist/per.boysen/ http://www.jamendo.com/en/artist/lo.fi.lazer/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 24 22:53:25 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D8BFE3BF26; Thu, 24 May 2007 22:53:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=L5WDls8GXnDzBKhFgCjVgLw5R7m88gAWeTZJiFVtzjDx4kyX2qefuZaaMGtlOtPFavD99Nrl/RutArzaT5GaP5dJyJ0PtiaNY0fy2VTZuAMffBgVD/uHgpDUutgEdss+hVVlK+bNlsxZcbMxLCOCzKXezqePjVjQq6FHylH2P5I= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=hdTbAiZCM4MquLUHQPVJIByefUzb8+S/uiKxsBW27PBroOuWNKndQfnzeLUmmdC5vSrW5ZbnHgQNWI3KTLzynDUIYgNrblDB9L1SG10hAGAFt7WrZRX4CcDijWNBWqEF+Xpq2u3JHll281IQMHFSx4GDcIB03U6tyI6WlHPSgAA= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <20070524212324.B4C4F3BEFA@arsenic.violacea.com> References: <20070524212324.B4C4F3BEFA@arsenic.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <1B7B14F1-D81D-44D6-A780-0835BF42EC4C@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: AW: looking for looper that syncs to real drums Date: Fri, 25 May 2007 00:53:31 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70446 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 24 May 2007 22:53:25 +0000 (UTC) On 24 maj 2007, at 23.23, Jens Wolters wrote: > Per. I don't get your concept actually. I am mainly working with short > loops. As I wrote most of the time our drummer is tight. I just > have to > adjust the tempo a bit. Sorry, I left out something in my description. What you do is to record a new loop that erases the old one, and you will of course catch this new loop in the correct tempo - not the old, now incorrect, tempo. On the EDP you do this right away with two button presses: Record and Record. That's it. The catch is that you need to replay whatever you had going in the loop, but if you can play it a second time, now in the correct tempo, it's just damn easy. Trying to adjust a machine that is off beat would never be as accurate. > So I might take > another look at the Moebius EDP Clone which is software based. Yes, Mobius can do that trick too. > Hase anbody tried the pitch shifting within Moebius ? Yes, but it's not yet good enough. Per From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 24 22:57:23 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 299CD3BF0D; Thu, 24 May 2007 22:57:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Jens Wolters" To: Subject: AW: AW: AW: looking for looper that syncs to real drums Date: Fri, 25 May 2007 00:57:33 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000A_01C79E67.ADEF4DF0" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Thread-Index: AceeVAt0/EGhorbsS0eivYuEcei9TgAALCIw In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <20070524225721.025323BEF7@arsenic.violacea.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70447 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 24 May 2007 22:57:23 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000A_01C79E67.ADEF4DF0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ahh ok. Now I get what you and Per are saying. I just tried it with my RC-20. It works nicely when sitting down cause you can stop (right pedal) und start again (left pedal) quite fast with both feet. But when standing (with my guitar) this is much more difficult. I would need a "restart" button for that. On the RC-50 you can route an external pedal to "all start/stop" or just use route the tempo button to "all start/stop". This really works great. Thanks a lot. Now I am on the right track. _____ Von: Doug Cox [mailto:uncledig@gmail.com] Gesendet: Freitag, 25. Mai 2007 00:37 An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Betreff: Re: AW: AW: looking for looper that syncs to real drums I think this is similar to what Per is saying, but I'd encourage you to learn how to "restart" your loops on the RC-50 and try that with your drummer. So, if a loop starts to drift from where the drummer's beat is - *you* force a restart of the loop exactly on the "1". If he's reasonably tight (sounds like he is), then he won't have drifted too far from the tempo caught in your loop, and everything will be good again for a while. This is the way I finally learned to integrate looping into a live band situation. Works beautifully once everyone knows that those are the rules of the game. Drummer doesn't have to strain to hear/adjust to your loops - his job is just to stay steady in the groove. Also, restarting on something other than the "1" (for instance, on the 3.5!) can produce some nice syncopation. Doug ------=_NextPart_000_000A_01C79E67.ADEF4DF0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Ahh ok. Now I = get what you and Per are saying. I just tried it with my RC-20. It works nicely = when sitting down cause you can stop (right pedal) und start again (left pedal) quite = fast with both feet. But when standing (with my guitar) this is much more = difficult. I would need a “restart” button for = that.

 =

On the RC-50 you = can route an external pedal to “all start/stop” or just use = route the tempo button to “all start/stop”. This really works = great.

Thanks a = lot.

 =

Now I am on the = right track…

 =

 =

  =

Von: Doug Cox [mailto:uncledig@gmail.com]
Gesendet: Freitag, 25. = Mai 2007 00:37
An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Betreff: Re: = AW: AW: looking for looper that syncs to real drums

 

I think this is similar to what Per is saying, but I'd encourage = you to learn how to "restart" your loops on the RC-50 and try that = with your drummer.  So, if a loop starts to drift from where the drummer's = beat is - *you* force a restart of the loop exactly on the "1".  If = he's reasonably tight (sounds like he is), then he won't have drifted too far = from the tempo caught in your loop, and everything will be good again for a = while.

This is the way I finally learned to integrate looping into a live band situation.  Works beautifully once everyone knows that those are = the rules of the game.  Drummer doesn't have to strain to hear/adjust to your = loops - his job is just to stay steady in the groove.

Also, restarting on something other than the "1" (for = instance, on the 3.5!) can produce some nice syncopation.

Doug

------=_NextPart_000_000A_01C79E67.ADEF4DF0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 24 23:21:00 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 17C593BF1C; Thu, 24 May 2007 23:21:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [63.93.82.22] From: max valentino To: Subject: RE: AW: AW: AW: looking for looper that syncs to real drums Date: Thu, 24 May 2007 23:20:58 +0000 Importance: Normal Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 May 2007 23:20:58.0663 (UTC) FILETIME=[2FA05370:01C79E5A] Resent-Message-ID: <0JNhmC.A.pBE.b3hVGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70448 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 24 May 2007 23:21:00 +0000 (UTC) I have an upgrade by Bob Sellon. It allows for a ton of features and the u= nit barely resembles the original JamMan. I can do multi-loops/tracks; undo= ; mulitple fades--both in and out--differing track/loop lengths; stereo pla= cement of multiple tracks..... I find that the lower sampling rate in the JamMan somehow sounds better whe= n looping bass---which is what I play. I don't know if it makes sense, my = the audio quality of my JamMan sounds better--with bass-- than the EDP, Rep= eater, DL4 or other looper I have tried (I must say I would like to take a = Looperlative for a test spin, tho). Perhaps it is the lower rate, or perha= ps it is the quality of the converters. I do know that the JamMan sounds w= armer and more natural than my EDP...very important when using an acoustic = bass! Max ---------------------------------------- > From: jenswolters@gebaeude7.de > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: AW: AW: AW: looking for looper that syncs to real drums > Date: Fri, 25 May 2007 00:21:17 +0200 >=20 > Max you have the old Lexicon JamMan? Why do you like that one ? >=20 _________________________________________________________________ Change is good. See what=92s different about Windows Live Hotmail.=20 http://www.windowslive-hotmail.com/learnmore/default.html?locale=3Den-us&oc= id=3DRMT_TAGLM_HMWL_reten_changegood_0507 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 24 23:22:53 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 96F453BF27; Thu, 24 May 2007 23:22:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [63.93.82.22] From: max valentino To: Subject: OT: Audio interface recomendations Date: Thu, 24 May 2007 23:22:52 +0000 Importance: Normal Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 May 2007 23:22:52.0815 (UTC) FILETIME=[73AA89F0:01C79E5A] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70449 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 24 May 2007 23:22:53 +0000 (UTC) This list is a virtual well of knowledge on all things regarding music prod= uction. As so, I was hoping some of you who are a bit more learned than I = could help me out with some recommendations. And forgive my use of the band= width for something non-loop-specific. I recently landed a soundtrack work. No big Hollywood movies, but a few th= ings for CBS and the Discovery Networks. My home studio has been centered = around a PC running Nuendo and a M-Audio Delta 1010 interface. I have had= no probs with this until recently when something went haywire and I have h= ad to do a re-build. A big hassle and a time consuming process. And, one I= did not really want to do as I was looking at moving to a Mac/ProTools sys= tem. Here=92s the thing: for the ST work my tracks would often be combined= with others (as is a common case with current scoring techniques). There = were some =93whispers=94 about not having my stuff in Protools (altho Nuend= o is a very good program which I have used for several years=85). PT has be= come an industry standard, and it is much easier for the engineers to work = with a common platform. In this biz, I might add, that even a minor consum= ption of time (converting Nuendo tracks to PT) can cost one the gig as cert= ainly there are other composers working exclusively in PT. Anyway, I have been looking at the more affordable PT setups. I don=92t ne= ed a PT HD system for my personal needs=85and since even the PT LE versions= are compatible with HD systems=85well my =93issues=94 with the production = engineers is simplified. I have very good outboard analog front end stuff (Manley, Chandler Ltd, UA)= , don=92t need too use a bunch of plugins (tho I admit it is nice to have = should the need arise=85) and don=92t need to track multiple inputs. I was recently given an iMAc G3 which I hoped I could use for this=85since= it was already wiped, and came with an xtra drive and cd writer. Problem = is, it is OS 9.1 and from I can discern the newest M-Box versions, and even= the M-Box Mini can only run on OS X or Windows Xp (and I have heard nightm= ares about running audio on Xp=85frankly I have grown tired of Windows=85.)= . =20 I realize the g3 processor is slower (but then so am I=85)but it should be = sufficient as I plan to only run the PT LE on it. So, my question is does anyone know of a PT interface (with LE edition) whi= ch can run on a iMac G3? Or do I need to pull the trigger on another comput= er (I have really spent far too much on studio gear already this year, so t= he budget may be shot there=85). Any suggestions? Any help is appreciated=85.. Max __________________________ _________________________________________________________________ Create the ultimate e-mail address book. Import your contacts to Windows Li= ve Hotmail. www.windowslive-hotmail.com/learnmore/managemail2.html?locale=3Den-us&ocid= =3DTXT_TAGLM_HMWL_reten_impcont_0507= From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 24 23:27:38 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D16673BF1E; Thu, 24 May 2007 23:27:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [63.93.82.22] From: max valentino To: Subject: RE: AW: AW: looking for looper that syncs to real drums Date: Thu, 24 May 2007 23:27:37 +0000 Importance: Normal Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 May 2007 23:27:38.0031 (UTC) FILETIME=[1DAB0BF0:01C79E5B] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70450 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 24 May 2007 23:27:38 +0000 (UTC) This is what I frequently do when looping with groups..tho good monitoring = of loopage is still important. As is having a drummer who can trust you to = catch the drift..or even roll with it a bit. At the Y2K5 Festival, Bernhard Wagner and I did a couple of improv duets h= e on his edp and me with my JamMan...no sync between us. As bits would drif= t we had the option of either letting things go and seeing what developed o= r forcing a "manual" restart of the loop. We both opted for a combination = of both options. Ma >=20 > On 25 maj 2007, at 00.36, Doug Cox wrote: >=20 > > I think this is similar to what Per is saying, but I'd encourage =20 > > you to learn how to "restart" your loops on the RC-50 and try that =20 > > with your drummer. So, if a loop starts to drift from where the =20 > > drummer's beat is - *you* force a restart of the loop exactly on =20 > > the "1". If he's reasonably tight (sounds like he is), then he =20 > > won't have drifted too far from the tempo caught in your loop, and =20 > > everything will be good again for a while. >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 _________________________________________________________________ Change is good. See what=92s different about Windows Live Hotmail.=20 http://www.windowslive-hotmail.com/learnmore/default.html?locale=3Den-us&oc= id=3DRMT_TAGLM_HMWL_reten_changegood_0507 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 25 00:27:47 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 111783BF01; Fri, 25 May 2007 00:27:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=S8jRVZoxW8k+imaJhHkp5F/R9uR4PZhdWBS7JGDlK0+I8ZW07oibH+fmsMpelFFsvayHb1/52TEeQ2PsEp4K8lI0Q1Hv0fCBBlDdGoCPs1a6kH46nVpESHwmEFYy1qf9lP3DxVP1p1zWJkKGf4P9lqcRLPmkzkayLXTBFsIlGuc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=B8GT2mI6mgPZzp4HokFFl/zVzHY4EsQan7uyGbdWCeDYgVh/O3bZ76uJfb1/XdlrBXsHc30GpQjQsHpgj/G2OLhMIUzoFG0W2NPYwmlQA5htAdZi3ObX+ivID1SpVXeiwVCfovl0EtNJd1motHndQ9F6Pnus+E23PiMlx7KRSLM= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: OT: Audio interface recomendations Date: Fri, 25 May 2007 02:27:51 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: <0fyzvD.A.RyG.C2iVGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70451 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 25 May 2007 00:27:47 +0000 (UTC) On 25 maj 2007, at 01.22, max valentino wrote: > So, my question is does anyone know of a PT interface (with LE =20 > edition) which can run on a iMac G3? Or do I need to pull the =20 > trigger on another computer (I have really spent far too much on =20 > studio gear already this year, so the budget may be shot there=85). You may find out at http://www.digidesign.com/. OS X can run on a G3, according to Apples web site. But I guess the =20 G3 won't deliver very much power for digital audio if you going to =20 run PT LE which is a native solution. BAck in the early nineties I =20 was using a 25 MHz Mac with a Digidesign DSP card and it worked out =20 ok, but with a native system your processing power is dependent on =20 the computer's CPU. However, if you don't need to run a lot of tracks =20= and plug-ins it will work of course. You're much better off if it's one of those second generation G3 =20 iMacs that have a firewire port, cause then you can get the =20 Digidesign MBox 2 Pro (Protools LE comes bundled with it). The USB =20 based MBox'es might not be as good choice. I recently had an MBox 2 =20 Mini for a test and it did only work with Protools. With all other =20 software it did not produce clean audio (artifacts, noise...). With =20 the firewire based Pro model you are set for the future because =20 you'll soon be wanting to get a modern Mac for running Protools, and =20 then an USB interface will be a drag. > nightmares about running audio on Xp=85 Hey, XP is much better than VIsta for audio. For three years I was =20 using XP for audio and it was totally fine. But everyone knows =20 Protools runs better on Mac. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://www.myspace.com/looproom http://www.jamendo.com/en/artist/per.boysen/ http://www.jamendo.com/en/artist/lo.fi.lazer/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 25 01:47:57 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 627763BEE4; Fri, 25 May 2007 01:47:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Received:X-YMail-OSG:MIME-Version:From:Subject:Date:Importance:X-Priority:To:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type; b=x41wN/2JXTZBwyF6OswSowHXuw48AR7kbqL+bhX/snhpOk0IYpo7QVsNfWLm95Vg88LXeOAL5gHZ5ZsfJxvwEHHU8f1BN6GVh4WL0mzec9oDRYn8Kmqr8PqVt1UD+X+g/ir0ilKW4HxaBPRl5j3ItA3+ARGFMdfcT6zlTnUM5to= ; X-YMail-OSG: 8wEEX4UVM1nk6sNj3No9KgIhLbIIoZKqedQoSggIYFEkEX5rww7K5JFlF9JGSu1jTTVxPf8Vqwt7nHFl.sLlt4PIvu5Woo8BValtQPzi8RIDOUMOe.bLbs1k8Y2WACuIn9z9kUIk5RzG6.4- MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Murkie Subject: RE: AW: looking for looper that syncs to real drums Date: Thu, 24 May 2007 21:49:38 -0400 Importance: normal X-Priority: 3 To: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Message-Id: <20070525014754.898693BED2@arsenic.violacea.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70452 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 25 May 2007 01:47:57 +0000 (UTC) I'll second that, Max. The drummer I used to work with wore ear protection= headphones with an "audio in" jack. I sent him a feed from my Jamman and = he locked right in. m TwistedAppleRecords.com -----Original Message----- From: "max valentino" To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Sent: 5/24/07 5:32 PM Subject: RE: AW: looking for looper that syncs to real drums In regards to the tempo shift...and the "drummer sometimes not be able to = hear my loops", wouldn't it be simpler to rig up a sort of aux monitor send= of just your loops to the drummer? = From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 25 04:57:49 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CDC273BED2; Fri, 25 May 2007 04:57:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at cavesofice.org Date: Fri, 25 May 2007 00:57:48 -0400 (EDT) From: burnett@pobox.com X-X-Sender: badger@giggles.cavesofice.org To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: dark matter from Subscape Annex Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70453 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 25 May 2007 04:57:49 +0000 (UTC) Minimalist drone piece I recorded recently I thought I'd share with the group. http://www.subscapeannex.com/other/darkmatter.mp3 (20:12, 14 MB mp3) Chapman Stick, Westone Rail Bass, E-Bow, effects (Moog, Z-Vex, E-H), loop pedals (Boss RC20&RC20XL, Digitech Jamman). best, Steve B http://www.subscapeannex.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 25 07:16:49 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2AF6B3BEDC; Fri, 25 May 2007 07:16:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-priority:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=jpFF2mGBBmta3q2ZjFf8XZjFAJ1GRjLW+tCqdNWmKoB+Sqbd/kP9+IgYMPLEjrbi6Au2trxQSbg6LFk1WkHh5EPyoX2PCHqXo2N7TV2ZAIWwB7eAPco3qDElvLoYQPzsFT/ClUS9QJxzgBxwGIeLbEKRIbX/zX3dswkuQzPcvs4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-priority:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=R5YAuFepOpZoNtkzTD4ueKhReap1kliCodmFivTgr9qIMlkLDdHg4TSg0zlZhtq989SZvdfbHcfIvvmv5rP2LGkcgHY29E7eRn82MUHlSx2zXudtnmmMRs1WDCHaHGpsFZfwaOWpFMrSsrHvDQQJT3IYGmzZHGxRb4FmReL/Wtc= In-Reply-To: <20070525014754.898693BED2@arsenic.violacea.com> References: <20070525014754.898693BED2@arsenic.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: AW: looking for looper that syncs to real drums Date: Fri, 25 May 2007 09:16:39 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70454 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 25 May 2007 07:16:49 +0000 (UTC) On 25 maj 2007, at 03.49, Murkie wrote: > I'll second that, Max. The drummer I used to work with wore ear > protection headphones with an "audio in" jack. I sent him a feed > from my Jamman and he locked right in. I saw a similar concept once when touring in Germany with a drummer that had huge all ear covering "hearing protection gear for construction workers" and inside those monsters he had normal audio headphones. So he could hear everything at nice and moderate level. He played fantastic! It wasn't a looping band though, rather hit oriented chart stuff with five musicians on stage and an eight track ADAT tape recorder filling up with backtracks like orchestral parts, huge choirs, drum loops or techno style synth sequences. Only the drummer had the backtrack channels in his monitoring. Everyone else played along with him - and as a result it all locked up well in the PA without sounding too stiff. But drummers that can play well along to a click track (which a looper essentially is, from his perspective) are so rare. Why is that? Probably because it's dead boring and totally unnatural as a musical activity. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://www.myspace.com/looproom http://www.jamendo.com/en/artist/per.boysen/ http://www.jamendo.com/en/artist/lo.fi.lazer/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 25 07:24:40 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C7C9D3BEE6; Fri, 25 May 2007 07:24:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Jens Wolters" To: Subject: AW: AW: looking for looper that syncs to real drums Date: Fri, 25 May 2007 09:24:51 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Thread-Index: AceenKq9h85f+tlwQriEM5d74gxvkwAAD/0g Message-Id: <20070525072439.28E0B3BEC1@arsenic.violacea.com> Resent-Message-ID: <_dDeT.A.RL.48oVGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70455 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 25 May 2007 07:24:40 +0000 (UTC) "But drummers that can play well along =20 to a click track (which a looper essentially is, from his =20 perspective) are so rare. Why is that? Probably because it's dead =20 boring and totally unnatural as a musical activity." Studio drummers play like that. If well done it doesn't sound boring at = all. It is so rare cause it is pretty hard actually.=20 I have a pretty good timing myself (I am a guitar player). When playing = to a overdub in the studio everything is tight. But when I am just playing to = a click which I don=92t hear good enough, I am just lost. This is = something one really has to practise a lot.=20 If I focus on my music the click track is actually really disturbing and = I notice it is not fun at all to concentrate on the click track all the = time. Greetings Jens -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- Von: Per Boysen [mailto:perboysen@gmail.com]=20 Gesendet: Freitag, 25. Mai 2007 09:17 An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Betreff: Re: AW: looking for looper that syncs to real drums On 25 maj 2007, at 03.49, Murkie wrote: > I'll second that, Max. The drummer I used to work with wore ear =20 > protection headphones with an "audio in" jack. I sent him a feed =20 > from my Jamman and he locked right in. I saw a similar concept once when touring in Germany with a drummer =20 that had huge all ear covering "hearing protection gear for =20 construction workers" and inside those monsters he had normal audio =20 headphones. So he could hear everything at nice and moderate level. =20 He played fantastic! It wasn't a looping band though, rather hit =20 oriented chart stuff with five musicians on stage and an eight track =20 ADAT tape recorder filling up with backtracks like orchestral parts, =20 huge choirs, drum loops or techno style synth sequences. Only the =20 drummer had the backtrack channels in his monitoring. Everyone else =20 played along with him - and as a result it all locked up well in the =20 PA without sounding too stiff. But drummers that can play well along =20 to a click track (which a looper essentially is, from his =20 perspective) are so rare. Why is that? Probably because it's dead =20 boring and totally unnatural as a musical activity. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://www.myspace.com/looproom http://www.jamendo.com/en/artist/per.boysen/ http://www.jamendo.com/en/artist/lo.fi.lazer/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 25 07:58:10 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1A7BC3BEE1; Fri, 25 May 2007 07:58:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=YsZudggYpdZf6MztsQb5FV2aPaPehbOUuzYxCLDd035ADns5Vp3CxajXeO3114wh5SfK4NU9cvyL1Is3l76pp1OKyasQk6vCOFmyVYx4RDYUt7fFusr13i4cuOrvt7av0vCmK35qX6JuNi5Ka19pETNqNKeHkst8RYfdPTa8nSo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=MksbdB5OaePclk02Qt+cBw9n7cd+jdzsB5zLhVAsmLNIuIzirknqvBr0rypmXKRum2tcxN1Wj9lBz91mfp6tW0N4+WwZv2SMuiebKiWdgn5IHK4H3B1+sbT/b6+hVQCs9uziV5I2qhMBtHHN2rbL0HircnCZbBViguOztB+9GNY= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <20070525072439.28E0B3BEC1@arsenic.violacea.com> References: <20070525072439.28E0B3BEC1@arsenic.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: AW: AW: looking for looper that syncs to real drums Date: Fri, 25 May 2007 09:57:59 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70456 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 25 May 2007 07:58:10 +0000 (UTC) On 25 maj 2007, at 09.24, Jens Wolters wrote: > Studio drummers play like that. If well done it doesn't sound > boring at all. Yes, isn't that the point using studio drummers? ;-) Fact is the drummer I played with on that Germany tour is "a studio drummer". That's why he was able to do it that way on stage and why we other musicians trusted him rather than bothering with hearing the backtracks while also acting out up front. But this discussion is totally dependent on musical style, not to forget. I just mentioned this drummer because of that neat "huge-ear- protection-gear"-covering-small-audio-headphones trick. Fact is we played a style that draws on everyone in the band to play tight ON the beat. With the live looping music I do today it's the opposite concept; it starts to groove when as few elements as possible is placed directly ON the beat - one should rather play "around" the beat as "an instant commentator" (check on Fela for top inspiration on this concept in non-looping music). Per From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 25 08:03:02 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 51D5C3BEE0; Fri, 25 May 2007 08:03:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Jens Wolters" To: Subject: AW: AW: AW: looking for looper that syncs to real drums Date: Fri, 25 May 2007 10:03:13 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Thread-Index: AceeonGI5ardiHHyS2S1CPEOc647xQAAJnGw Message-Id: <20070525080301.539BD3BEC7@arsenic.violacea.com> Resent-Message-ID: <-z1XGB.A.PQC.1gpVGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70457 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 25 May 2007 08:03:02 +0000 (UTC) Per what is "fela" ? Have you recordings of the Germany tour where you played with this drummer ? Jens -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- Von: Per Boysen [mailto:perboysen@gmail.com]=20 Gesendet: Freitag, 25. Mai 2007 09:58 An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Betreff: Re: AW: AW: looking for looper that syncs to real drums On 25 maj 2007, at 09.24, Jens Wolters wrote: > Studio drummers play like that. If well done it doesn't sound =20 > boring at all. Yes, isn't that the point using studio drummers? ;-) Fact is the =20 drummer I played with on that Germany tour is "a studio drummer". =20 That's why he was able to do it that way on stage and why we other =20 musicians trusted him rather than bothering with hearing the =20 backtracks while also acting out up front. But this discussion is totally dependent on musical style, not to =20 forget. I just mentioned this drummer because of that neat "huge-ear-=20 protection-gear"-covering-small-audio-headphones trick. Fact is we =20 played a style that draws on everyone in the band to play tight ON =20 the beat. With the live looping music I do today it's the opposite =20 concept; it starts to groove when as few elements as possible is =20 placed directly ON the beat - one should rather play "around" the =20 beat as "an instant commentator" (check on Fela for top inspiration =20 on this concept in non-looping music). Per From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 25 08:13:48 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0F1CE3BEE0; Fri, 25 May 2007 08:13:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=tMCZKK2N5wl9/+UCc0WjNZmf2oi/vPIyziK31gu+vBaX0jNVUjal10qlwpcfAQcRTZySoSFr85ljTQJYqmb42gruujulTnWPVx/9B4kyLfN6MZQqBfFzWHcqjfIGixn7ouMyNdt8YWTYOszG/PEGbd2GeGXtj9EcSHe7lX2Q/vc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=FvcvyEfzx9xRVKJA+nHWnSR6/rVZOMNJFjzmqz7WdBCUCeHhV9RI5UMjXCoYh68F3+dNTbKihk+JVR1tIhrpVQ7QIVaeFpgGeSKSvaTpXj7ZpN3RQ+wDNcX8x7jYMaYp3BiTK7aaAST2ruZ+Igy2liT7l5gocSBcO/F/QsOVwLA= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <20070525080301.539BD3BEC7@arsenic.violacea.com> References: <20070525080301.539BD3BEC7@arsenic.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <1C3C8C0A-146F-4D3B-A1FF-6EA5403ADC86@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: AW: AW: AW: looking for looper that syncs to real drums Date: Fri, 25 May 2007 10:13:42 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70458 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 25 May 2007 08:13:48 +0000 (UTC) On 25 maj 2007, at 10.03, Jens Wolters wrote: > Per what is "fela" ? Have you recordings of the Germany tour where you > played with this drummer ? Ops, sorry. Fela Kuti. Not a drummer, I was more hinting at the rhythmic attitude associated in general with his musical styel. http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&sql=11:0cftxqq5ld6e Per From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 25 08:35:07 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3BC093BEF3; Fri, 25 May 2007 08:35:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Jens Wolters" To: Subject: AW: AW: AW: AW: looking for looper that syncs to real drums Date: Fri, 25 May 2007 10:35:18 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 In-Reply-To: <1C3C8C0A-146F-4D3B-A1FF-6EA5403ADC86@gmail.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Thread-Index: AceepKCf+bsismJ3Tg23pSvkOFWJ6QAAsrtg Message-Id: <20070525083505.3BB1C3BECD@arsenic.violacea.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70459 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 25 May 2007 08:35:07 +0000 (UTC) Per, in your loopers comparison chart it says "3 (but then only one playing = at a time)" for "Max numbers of loops" for the RC-50. This is wrong. You can = play all 3 loops at the some time. Jens -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- Von: Per Boysen [mailto:perboysen@gmail.com]=20 Gesendet: Freitag, 25. Mai 2007 10:14 An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Betreff: Re: AW: AW: AW: looking for looper that syncs to real drums On 25 maj 2007, at 10.03, Jens Wolters wrote: > Per what is "fela" ? Have you recordings of the Germany tour where you > played with this drummer ? Ops, sorry. Fela Kuti. Not a drummer, I was more hinting at the =20 rhythmic attitude associated in general with his musical styel. http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=3Damg&sql=3D11:0cftxqq5ld6e Per From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 25 08:46:37 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C66553BEF7; Fri, 25 May 2007 08:46:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Jens Wolters" To: Subject: AW: AW: AW: AW: looking for looper that syncs to real drums Date: Fri, 25 May 2007 10:46:49 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 In-Reply-To: <1C3C8C0A-146F-4D3B-A1FF-6EA5403ADC86@gmail.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Thread-Index: AceepKCf+bsismJ3Tg23pSvkOFWJ6QAA0jrQ Message-Id: <20070525084637.22EA53BECD@arsenic.violacea.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70460 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 25 May 2007 08:46:37 +0000 (UTC) Per, otherwise the chart is excellent. It looks like Mobius is the winner featurewise. I already tried that and it's really great. Do I keep the RC-50 (I need at least 2-3 tracks) or do I go for a = software solution? I have a notebook already. So the software solution might be = even cheaper. But I don=92t like the idea of carrying a notebook to my gigs. = Mhhh. Hard decision ;) =20 Greetings Jens -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- Von: Per Boysen [mailto:perboysen@gmail.com]=20 Gesendet: Freitag, 25. Mai 2007 10:14 An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Betreff: Re: AW: AW: AW: looking for looper that syncs to real drums On 25 maj 2007, at 10.03, Jens Wolters wrote: > Per what is "fela" ? Have you recordings of the Germany tour where you > played with this drummer ? Ops, sorry. Fela Kuti. Not a drummer, I was more hinting at the =20 rhythmic attitude associated in general with his musical styel. http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=3Damg&sql=3D11:0cftxqq5ld6e Per From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 25 08:50:42 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 21FEB3BEF4; Fri, 25 May 2007 08:50:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=pmZcL4SFQy1XomYLBQhECglCl6wFbANy0SOM+FNNnEn4aDoAYQR3IdFmMO235LJId6kdAgrHVZm9/tCbCgWwoSb3qla6KKBQsuvfVpL/X53Rvx7Nm3zFae46C47dOkDpQ5T3z5f4UwjD4AVcbRnJT3QKYfQh6ZzLZErvsj+NPlM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=mK9Xl7+Ty6aoIKjNNFSjHWSxgQp9B86wS3Ea0smFPn+rxGBM1lQDkahM5Y/++1HKrA7FwbZ4k1H1oc9hnrL2PJ9ofU/z/v1EbuGgLYgrgZg7IrlNIMHMSJv4uXfzjKroVitTdpTg9KuR5y7fiHIs5UmvgHOoqEr1WGazNxixlVM= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <20070525083505.3BB1C3BECD@arsenic.violacea.com> References: <20070525083505.3BB1C3BECD@arsenic.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <10734FC7-23E6-4801-A010-831B6FECDFCE@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: AW: AW: AW: AW: looking for looper that syncs to real drums Date: Fri, 25 May 2007 10:50:34 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70461 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 25 May 2007 08:50:42 +0000 (UTC) On 25 maj 2007, at 10.35, Jens Wolters wrote: > in your loopers comparison chart it says "3 (but then only one > playing at a > time)" for "Max numbers of loops" for the RC-50. This is wrong. You > can play > all 3 loops at the some time. Thank you for the good thought, but that column is for linear loops. There is another column for parallel loops. I will make that easier to understand in the chart. The RC-50 works like this: In Multi Mode you can use three parallel loops. In Solo Mode you can use three linear loops. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://www.myspace.com/looproom http://www.jamendo.com/en/artist/per.boysen/ http://www.jamendo.com/en/artist/lo.fi.lazer/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 25 08:52:37 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 778EE3BEFF; Fri, 25 May 2007 08:52:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Jens Wolters" To: Subject: AW: AW: AW: AW: AW: looking for looper that syncs to real drums Date: Fri, 25 May 2007 10:52:49 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 In-Reply-To: <10734FC7-23E6-4801-A010-831B6FECDFCE@gmail.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Thread-Index: AceeqchFdnBz01LpSKWouDI9uoC5tAAADvxQ Message-Id: <20070525085236.904A93BEEC@arsenic.violacea.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70462 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 25 May 2007 08:52:37 +0000 (UTC) Ahh ok. Now I understand.=20 -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- Von: Per Boysen [mailto:perboysen@gmail.com]=20 Gesendet: Freitag, 25. Mai 2007 10:51 An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Betreff: Re: AW: AW: AW: AW: looking for looper that syncs to real drums On 25 maj 2007, at 10.35, Jens Wolters wrote: > in your loopers comparison chart it says "3 (but then only one =20 > playing at a > time)" for "Max numbers of loops" for the RC-50. This is wrong. You =20 > can play > all 3 loops at the some time. Thank you for the good thought, but that column is for linear loops. =20 There is another column for parallel loops. I will make that easier =20 to understand in the chart. The RC-50 works like this: In Multi Mode you can use three parallel =20 loops. In Solo Mode you can use three linear loops. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://www.myspace.com/looproom http://www.jamendo.com/en/artist/per.boysen/ http://www.jamendo.com/en/artist/lo.fi.lazer/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 25 10:39:52 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D32E23BEC1; Fri, 25 May 2007 10:39:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.fr; h=Received:X-YMail-OSG:Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=hNGs3Wia5jbMz5uv+DPfqrNnqTaw+blU6xtHZUQ2C3xtYGncGD/Hzs+U2WYVN0mxXZWRxEbPhDiA6Rw8q+u+yskSF7S2N+NFeXbwVB8/9+NgOe0MW0YPBjGo2pD5YpZkUMX/vRGkakrrJmZZVjj2wySrNzV0aWQdx63nkrcIYxI= ; X-YMail-OSG: sCHSydcVM1kYtnksbgTlaFL8lGpu12wu8rLxvcxLCLhkjtVfQq0Evzk6s9gY3BJ8G_D091Aalw-- Message-ID: <00f801c79eb9$0500b7e0$6402a8c0@PC576340162804> From: "Ben" To: References: <291001.51274.qm@web35115.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: The Search for the Perfect Home Recording Amplifier Saga / jamman + FX loop problem Date: Fri, 25 May 2007 12:39:48 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00F5_01C79EC9.C82EE4C0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70463 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 25 May 2007 10:39:52 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00F5_01C79EC9.C82EE4C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable "Does anyone have any suggestions for a reasonably priced amp? " The peavey JSX=AE Mini Colossal perhaps?? a.. Pure Class "A" Operation=20 b.. 1 12AX7/ EL84=20 c.. 5 watts (rms) into 4,8, or 16 ohms (Selectable Impedance)=20 d.. Power Sponge 0 to 5 watts=20 e.. Preamp Volume w/ Tone control=20 f.. Effects loop=20 g.. Optical Tremolo Circuit=20 h.. Cabinet Simulated XLR Output=20 i.. Ground Lift=20 j.. Custom 8" C8R-type Speaker=20 k.. Single Input=20 =20 $599.99=20 I like the power sponge concept. Unfortunately I didn't find any way to = try it near my location. By the way a friend let me try his Marshall valvestate (80v I think). = When plugging my Jamman in the FX loop, a low volume of the click is = recorded by the pedal. You almost can't hear it on the amp but when exporting the wav file, the = click is there. Is it a common problem with FX loop that the return path = leaks into the input? Or is there a problem with this amp? I turned the = reverb off but it didn't change anything. The other amp I use (fender) doesn't have a FX loop, so I can't compare. Thanks for any info. Ben. ------=_NextPart_000_00F5_01C79EC9.C82EE4C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
"Does anyone have any suggestions for a = reasonably priced=20 amp? "
 
The peavey JSX=AE Mini Colossal  = perhaps??
 
  • Pure Class "A" Operation
  • 1 12AX7/ EL84
  • 5 watts (rms) into 4,8, or 16 ohms = (Selectable=20 Impedance)
  • Power Sponge 0 to 5 watts
  • Preamp Volume w/ Tone control
  • Effects loop
  • Optical Tremolo Circuit
  • Cabinet Simulated XLR Output
  • Ground Lift
  • Custom 8" C8R-type Speaker
  • Single Input=20
$599.99=20
I like the power sponge concept. = Unfortunately I=20 didn't find any way to try it near my location.
 
By the way a friend let me try his = Marshall=20 valvestate (80v I think). When plugging my Jamman in the FX loop, a low = volume=20 of the click is recorded by the pedal.
You almost can't hear it on the amp but = when=20 exporting the wav file, the click is there. Is it a common problem with = FX loop=20 that the return path leaks into the input? Or is there a problem with = this amp?=20 I turned the reverb off but it didn't change anything.
The other amp I use (fender) doesn't = have a FX=20 loop, so I can't compare.
 
Thanks for any info.
 
Ben.
 
 
------=_NextPart_000_00F5_01C79EC9.C82EE4C0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 25 12:42:23 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C9EE93BEB9; Fri, 25 May 2007 12:42:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Fri, 25 May 2007 08:44:21 -0400 From: Bill Fox Subject: Galactic Travels Playlist #530 for May 24, 2007 To: undisclosed-recipients: ; Message-id: <4656DA25.7030302@soundscapes.us> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.10 (Windows/20070221) Resent-Message-ID: <693z4C.A.yaB.vmtVGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70464 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 25 May 2007 12:42:23 +0000 (UTC) Galactic Travels Playlist #530 for May 24, 2007 Galactic Travels is an electronic, ambient, and space music show, that airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA, 93.9 FM in Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ, 93.7 FM in Fogelsville and Trexlertown, and webcasting on the internet. WDIY also broadcasts in Digital HD at 88.1 FM. Show #530 May 24, 2007 RECAP: On this show, I continued the month-long focus on Steve Roach. The Featured CD at Midnight was "Immersion: One" on Projekt Records. The Vinyl Starter was from the LP "Computer Experiments" by Synergy on Passport Records and released in 1981. On tonight's program, I played the music of some of the artists who will be performing at the electro-music 2007 festival June 1, 2, and 3. Steve Roach: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2007/focus.html#may electro-music 2007: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/events.html PLAYLIST: 11:04 pm ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ==================== ==================== ============================== Synergy Artificial Computer Experiments Volume Intelligence One (Passport) 1-25-80 VA [Kevin Kissinger] Three Legged Race Electro Music 07 (electro-music media) VA [Mark Jenkins] Dance of the Electro Music 07 Satellites (electro-music media) Broekhuis, Keller, Caravan of the Live @ Dorfkirche Repelen and Schonwalder Melancholy (Manikin) Kurt Michaels Hitch Hiker On Venus Outer Worlds (Umbrello) Nemesis Entrance Stereofields Forever (none) Nemesis The Cosmic Garden Stereofields Forever (none) 12:00 am ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ==================== ==================== ============================== Steve Roach untitled Immersion: One (Projekt) 1:00 am * = excerpt VA = Various Artists (compilation) ++ = Advance CDR from Artist NEXT SHOW: On the next Galactic Travels, I'll conclude the month-long focus on Steve Roach. The Featured CD at Midnight will be "Storm Surge" on NEARfest Records. The Vinyl Starter will be from the LP "Mirage" by Klaus Schulze on Island Records and released in 1977. Bill ======================================================================= Host of Galactic Travels, an electronic, ambient, and space music show, Thursdays at 11:04 pm EDT (GMT-4:00) on WDIY 88.1 FM in Allentown and Bethlehem, 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg, and on 93.7 FM in Trexlertown and Fogelsville. WDIY also broadcasts in HD Digital Radio on 88.1 FM. Galactic Travels web site - http://wdiy.org/programs/gt RSS News Feed: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/rss/enews.xml Podcasts: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/rss/gt.xml Listen on-line to WDIY at http://wdiy.org and click on the LISTEN link or go directly to: http://rm1.refugemedia.com/ramgen/encoder/wdiy.rm To subscribe to the galactic-travels mailing list, click on [Join This Group!] at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/galactic-travels Playlists are also published at http://billfox.blogspot.com RSS (2.0) feed from http://billfox.blogspot.com/rss.xml Atom (0.3) feed from http://billfox.blogspot.com/atom.xml From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 25 14:07:17 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 557BF3BECF; Fri, 25 May 2007 14:07:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <00f801c79eb9$0500b7e0$6402a8c0@PC576340162804> References: <291001.51274.qm@web35115.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <00f801c79eb9$0500b7e0$6402a8c0@PC576340162804> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1--68629974 Message-Id: <490b95e4daad95276f65937c82a1fc5e@mac.com> From: Paul Mimlitsch Subject: Re: The Search for the Perfect Home Recording Amplifier Saga / jamman + FX loop problem Date: Fri, 25 May 2007 08:07:12 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAA== X-Brightmail-scanned: yes Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70465 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 25 May 2007 14:07:17 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-1--68629974 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed http://www.traynoramps.com/products.asp?id=251&cat=63&type=3 (Recommend re - tubing with "Eurotubes" for smoother overdrive.) On May 25, 2007, at 4:39 AM, Ben wrote: > "Does anyone have any suggestions for a reasonably priced amp? " --Apple-Mail-1--68629974 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=US-ASCII http://www.traynoramps.com/products.asp?id=251&cat=63&type=3 (Recommend re - tubing with "Eurotubes" for smoother overdrive.) On May 25, 2007, at 4:39 AM, Ben wrote: Arial"Does anyone have any suggestions for a reasonably priced amp? " --Apple-Mail-1--68629974-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 25 15:40:08 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5C5F43BED2; Fri, 25 May 2007 15:40:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-YMail-OSG: gbfBhgMVM1l459aDqzenpkkmKFbTEC.8NU1.epD2085xt.pv Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: piro patton Subject: take me off the email feed please Date: Fri, 25 May 2007 08:40:02 -0700 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) Resent-Message-ID: <4tFX_C.A.dIF.YNwVGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70466 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 25 May 2007 15:40:08 +0000 (UTC) Hey I love loopers delight but it is reeking havoc with my email...can i get off the email feed, and just read them at loopers delight? I dont want to unregister just not get the email feed. Thanks so much, Piro Patton From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 25 17:31:13 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C05283BEB8; Fri, 25 May 2007 17:31:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <1749363007.1180114272879.JavaMail.root@fepweb11> Date: Fri, 25 May 2007 10:31:12 -0700 From: =?utf-8?Q?tEd_=C2=AE_kiLLiAn?= To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: HOW TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM LOOPERS DELIGHT (Was: take me off the email feed please) Cc: piro patton MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Sensitivity: Normal X-Originating-IP: from 66.169.241.110 by mail.charter.net; Fri, 25 May 2007 13:31:12 -0400 X-Chzlrs: 0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70467 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 25 May 2007 17:31:13 +0000 (UTC) Piro, To unsubscribe, don't send your unsubscribe message to the list. 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So??? ---- piro patton wrote:=20 > Hey > I love loopers delight but it is reeking havoc with my email...can i =20 > get off the email feed, and just read them at loopers delight? I dont =20 > want to unregister just not get the email feed. > Thanks so much, > Piro Patton From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 25 18:14:18 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7CBFC3BED8; Fri, 25 May 2007 18:14:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <46572779.2040108@yale.edu> Date: Fri, 25 May 2007 12:14:17 -0600 From: Patrick Holmes User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.10 (Windows/20070221) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: roland handsonic Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70468 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 25 May 2007 18:14:18 +0000 (UTC) Hi all, I'm thinking about investing in a Roland Handsonic to add some beats to my loops for live performances. 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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 25 22:28:49 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6FF493BED2; Fri, 25 May 2007 22:28:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <038701c79f1c$0f033e80$6bb0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: My Conversation to MAX/MSP - Now Includes Looper Date: Fri, 25 May 2007 16:28:41 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0380_01C79EE9.C1C3ED40" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70469 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 25 May 2007 22:28:49 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0380_01C79EE9.C1C3ED40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I just thought I'd update everyone on my conversion to MAX/MSP. It has = taken an interesting turn lately. Metamorphosis Phase I - "First Taste of MAX/MSP" Several months ago, I had created a VST host with MAX/MSP, which worked = great and basically allowed me to host all of the VSTs that I was = hosting in Chainer, and Energy XT before that. These VSTs included = Mobius (for looping), Reaktor, and several of my own MAX/MSP patches = (not VSTs). Great system. I was also able to control Mobius and Reaktor = with my Behringer FCB, as they were communicating directly with the = controller and not via MIDI settings or wiring in MAX/MSP. That was = convenient. Metamorphosis Phase II - "Back to the Comfort Zone" A few months after the above transition, I became disgruntled with the = difficulty I was experiencing controlling my VST (not Mobius or Reaktor) = parameters in MAX/MSP. MAX/MSP allows this sort of thing with its VST = object and some MIDI objects/wiring, but the learning curve was just too = high for me at the time, to revise my host code with all the MIDI = related wiring and objects to get my Behringer FCB to communicate with = my VSTs via MIDI in MAX/MSP. =20 So, I went back to Chainer (my original system), and converted my = MAX/MSP patches to VSTs that I could use them. Metamorphosis Phase III - "The Final Leap" A few more months past. At this time, I have a change of feeling with = the complexity of my VST host and system. I had over 40 VST programs in = Chainer, and they became a creative burden. Sometimes, one can just have = too much, and this became distracting for me. I felt that I was placing = too much emphasis on my cool VST sounds and not the music making aspect. So I had an epiphany and decided that I was going back to MAX/MSP and = dropping ALL of my VSTs (all $1200 worth), and using only Reaktor (as a = VST inside MAX), and my own MAX/MSP patches. Oh, what a relief. Jeff = Kaiser even helped me add the necessary MIDI code and wiring to control = my MAX/MSP patches with the Behringer FCB. However, I struggled several months with controlling Reaktor with my = MIDI controller. Since I activated MIDI in MAX/MSP, it highjacked the = MIDI port and made direct communication between the Reaktor VST and my = Behringer impossible. After several months, resolved that issue, and now = I can control all my effect parameters in Reaktor, while inside MAX/MSP. = Beautiful. So, you might be wondering now, this being a loop based discussion = forum, what happened to Mobius? Well, after several discussions with = Jeff Kaiser and thinking about what features I really used in Mobius, = and what was important to me as a musician, I switch to Kaiser's MAX/MSP = looper construction kit...the "Kaiser Looper". The kit is exactly that. = You can take it and then build on it, add buttons, features, more = looping tracks, etc. This is what I ended up with to suit my needs: 4 separate stereo looping tracks with the following: - Record (no overdub) - Play - Reset - Reverse - Half speed - Double speed - Half Speed/Reverse - Forward - Stop - Variable speed (forward and backward) controlled via a knob - Track volume - Track pan All the above are controlled with my Behringer FCB, via a MIDI program = change or one of my two expression pedals. You'll note that there are a lot of looper features not in the list = above, which many people expect in a sophisticated looper. The missing = features are indeed the case, though I would argue that the = sophistication is relative. Personally, I am able to get by with = features I listed, and they meet 99% of my creative needs. Some of the = cool features that I used in Mobius, EDPs, or Looperative (such as = multiply, substitution, scripting, etc), were nice, but I found that = most of the time they were not necessary to express myself...and in some = cases, as with too many VST, distracted me from the music composition = aspect of my own personal performance style and philosophy. Long story short, I feel a sense of relief with my new system. It is = streamlined, and now I can focus on the fun part, which is creating my = own custom MAX patches (for example, a MAX patch that emulates the old = Roland GR300 guitar synth). In any event, you can find out more about Kaiser's looper construction = kit here (Jeff will be adding an updated version later): http://www.jeffkaiser.com/software.html My gear setup here, including screen shot of my MAX system: http://www.krispenhartung.com/gear.htm Cheers, Kris *************************************************************************= * Krispen Hartung www.krispenhartung.com / www.myspace.com/krispenhartung info@krispenhartung.com / 1.208.724.5603=20 Discography - http://www.krispenhartung.com/catalogue.htm CD Baby Discography: http://cdbaby.com/all/khartung ------=_NextPart_000_0380_01C79EE9.C1C3ED40 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I just thought I'd update everyone on = my conversion=20 to MAX/MSP. It has taken an interesting turn lately.

Metamorphosis Phase I  - "First Taste of=20 MAX/MSP"
 
Several months ago, I had created a VST host with MAX/MSP, which = worked=20 great and basically allowed me to host all of the VSTs that I was = hosting in=20 Chainer, and Energy XT before that. These VSTs included Mobius (for = looping),=20 Reaktor, and several of my own MAX/MSP patches (not VSTs). Great = system. I=20 was also able to control Mobius and Reaktor with my Behringer FCB, as = they were=20 communicating directly with the controller and not via MIDI settings or = wiring=20 in MAX/MSP. That was convenient.
 
Metamorphosis Phase II - "Back to the Comfort = Zone"
 
A few months after the above transition, I became disgruntled with = the=20 difficulty I was experiencing controlling my VST (not Mobius=20 or Reaktor) parameters in MAX/MSP. MAX/MSP allows this sort of = thing=20 with its VST object and some MIDI objects/wiring, but the learning curve = was=20 just too high for me at the time, to revise my host code with all the = MIDI=20 related wiring and objects to get my Behringer FCB to communicate with = my VSTs=20 via MIDI in MAX/MSP.  

So, I went back to Chainer (my original system), and converted = my=20 MAX/MSP patches to VSTs that I could use them.
 
Metamorphosis Phase III - "The Final Leap"
 
A few more months past.  At this time, I have a change of = feeling with=20 the complexity of my VST host and system. I had over 40 VST programs in = Chainer,=20 and they became a creative burden. Sometimes, one can just have too = much, and=20 this became distracting for me. I felt that I was placing too much = emphasis on=20 my cool VST sounds and not the music making aspect.
 
So I had an epiphany and decided that I was going back to MAX/MSP = and=20 dropping ALL of my VSTs (all $1200 worth), and using only Reaktor (as a = VST=20 inside MAX), and my own MAX/MSP patches. Oh, what a relief. Jeff Kaiser = even=20 helped me add the necessary MIDI code and wiring to control my MAX/MSP = patches=20 with the Behringer FCB.
 
However, I struggled several months with controlling Reaktor with = my MIDI=20 controller. Since I activated MIDI in MAX/MSP, it highjacked the MIDI = port and=20 made direct communication between the Reaktor VST and my Behringer = impossible.=20 After several months, resolved that issue, and now I can control all my = effect=20 parameters in Reaktor, while inside MAX/MSP. Beautiful.
 
So, you might be wondering now, this being a loop based discussion = forum,=20 what happened to Mobius? Well, after several discussions with Jeff = Kaiser and=20 thinking about what features I really used in Mobius, and what was = important to=20 me as a musician, I switch to Kaiser's MAX/MSP looper construction = kit...the=20 "Kaiser Looper".  The kit is exactly that. You can take it and then = build=20 on it, add buttons, features, more looping tracks, etc. This is what I = ended up=20 with to suit my needs:
 
4 separate stereo looping tracks with the following:
 
- Record (no overdub)
- Play
- Reset
- Reverse
- Half speed
- Double speed
- Half Speed/Reverse
- Forward
- Stop
- Variable speed (forward and backward) controlled via a knob
- Track volume
- Track pan
 
All the above are controlled with my Behringer FCB, via a MIDI = program=20 change or one of my two expression pedals.
 
You'll note that there are a lot of looper features not in the list = above,=20 which many people expect in a sophisticated looper. The missing=20 features are indeed the case, though I would argue that the = sophistication=20 is relative. Personally, I am able to get by with features I listed, and = they=20 meet 99% of my creative needs. Some of the cool features that I used in = Mobius,=20 EDPs, or Looperative (such as multiply, substitution, scripting, etc), = were=20 nice, but I found that most of the time they were not necessary to = express=20 myself...and in some cases, as with too many VST, distracted me from the = music=20 composition aspect of my own personal performance style and = philosophy.
 
Long story short, I feel a sense of relief with my new system. It = is=20 streamlined, and now I can focus on the fun part, which is creating my = own=20 custom MAX patches (for example, a MAX patch that emulates the old = Roland=20 GR300 guitar synth).
 
In any event, you can find out more about Kaiser's looper = construction kit=20 here (Jeff will be adding an updated version later):
 
http://www.jeffkaiser.co= m/software.html
 
My gear setup here, including screen shot of my MAX system:
 
http://www.krispenhartung= .com/gear.htm
 
Cheers,
 
Kris
 
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------=_NextPart_000_0380_01C79EE9.C1C3ED40-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 25 23:11:07 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 87AA63BEC2; Fri, 25 May 2007 23:11:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-priority:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=Xni44HqtadZRW9G47QvKsu1Gz6CBPx9OnGHwzKv0Z01RHeaLcxUOFK6W6m/ru3HFCianE+DtSMxxiujo1Dbd2a3a7925fEjx5G0HrMEBtSGAWpd+jAcDxVxT5jOvulV6GlFpmq1Va1OBM8+CHGTJWz81OPKKmWZUREiuR5atSxk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-priority:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=N5hQJiIwGwrOLOjKrxpoVvyR7gA74XwaHa6rBUNI3PAOl2W8g1VrjenVbh9KivfJO8Gmt76hiJKGBttCZZtqpMAzE8jFsgeC5F+769It1eaJog7mj6bhwbWEs4xK/+9jB7Z3x5z5A008TMBHdRiCbZiFDljM+8tNlJVeEyRIvGE= In-Reply-To: <038701c79f1c$0f033e80$6bb0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> References: <038701c79f1c$0f033e80$6bb0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <98C93522-9705-49E9-99F1-B1FAB586206D@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: My Conversation to MAX/MSP - Now Includes Looper Date: Sat, 26 May 2007 01:11:03 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70470 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 25 May 2007 23:11:07 +0000 (UTC) On 26 maj 2007, at 00.28, Krispen Hartung wrote: > 4 separate stereo looping tracks with the following: > > - Record (no overdub) > - Play > - Reset > - Reverse > - Half speed > - Double speed > - Half Speed/Reverse > - Forward > - Stop > - Variable speed (forward and backward) controlled via a knob > - Track volume > - Track pan Nice, that's about all you need. Personally I'd like to add one though, Rate Shift. I'm just too addicted to making up chord changes of loops by manipulating the pitch. I've done great stuff with only the Augustus Loop in the past. I'd also like to check out the latest SooperLooper version ASAP, last time I was checking the Rate Shift was a bit dodgy. Need to find a looping solution for Mac because I can't lag around two laptops on every gig (the second one for Mobius, running XP). Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://www.myspace.com/looproom http://www.jamendo.com/en/artist/per.boysen/ http://www.jamendo.com/en/artist/lo.fi.lazer/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 25 23:26:06 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C03843BEDB; Fri, 25 May 2007 23:26:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <039601c79f24$0ec6ff30$6bb0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <038701c79f1c$0f033e80$6bb0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <98C93522-9705-49E9-99F1-B1FAB586206D@gmail.com> Subject: Re: My Conversation to MAX/MSP - Now Includes Looper Date: Fri, 25 May 2007 17:25:59 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Resent-Message-ID: <4umhoC.A.YQG.OC3VGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70471 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 25 May 2007 23:26:06 +0000 (UTC) I'll investigate Rate Shift with Kaiser. I like that feature too! Kris ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Friday, May 25, 2007 5:11 PM Subject: Re: My Conversation to MAX/MSP - Now Includes Looper > On 26 maj 2007, at 00.28, Krispen Hartung wrote: > >> 4 separate stereo looping tracks with the following: >> >> - Record (no overdub) >> - Play >> - Reset >> - Reverse >> - Half speed >> - Double speed >> - Half Speed/Reverse >> - Forward >> - Stop >> - Variable speed (forward and backward) controlled via a knob >> - Track volume >> - Track pan > > > Nice, that's about all you need. Personally I'd like to add one > though, Rate Shift. I'm just too addicted to making up chord changes > of loops by manipulating the pitch. I've done great stuff with only > the Augustus Loop in the past. I'd also like to check out the latest > SooperLooper version ASAP, last time I was checking the Rate Shift > was a bit dodgy. Need to find a looping solution for Mac because I > can't lag around two laptops on every gig (the second one for Mobius, > running XP). > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > www.looproom.com (international) > http://www.myspace.com/looproom > http://www.jamendo.com/en/artist/per.boysen/ > http://www.jamendo.com/en/artist/lo.fi.lazer/ > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 25 23:30:10 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6148D3BED0; Fri, 25 May 2007 23:30:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=iQqkI2qkBBHNtvdTxwJWAARJctCjve+hHDp5N8LKiQmrxMJ3VXA2ECU6daQWmHVuyFtX2VklGxBud+WQaAsAIe0Fu/w08UJfThxTRKutt2hPM/634EKduqai4OuGhOTs9AaiIjOsE4Zu7CFLUkTXX2p71lrpXGOIQZ+AqUfjLVA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=rrTk1iormEI21agBVgjsCxQDO11ZcghVk+jHgHohnfC/HvH3lpIUU2+DYACOGfKWN/f7t8dbyZDPOJJr9NaoWd2tZ4voYziP45u82Hg+RK9Ei8h/O9smbpYxwC1rCumNwmnuYSyDkg9oMjgU2uC/EYhZQgNj34eyFDWA7aafMRM= Message-ID: <4759e5740705251630n6643d58ev3c0df982d3f3af7d@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 25 May 2007 19:30:08 -0400 From: "todd reynolds" Reply-To: todd@toddreynolds.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: My Conversation to MAX/MSP - Now Includes Looper In-Reply-To: <98C93522-9705-49E9-99F1-B1FAB586206D@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_130651_30595618.1180135808084" References: <038701c79f1c$0f033e80$6bb0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <98C93522-9705-49E9-99F1-B1FAB586206D@gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: <_qmoo.A.0gG.CG3VGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70472 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 25 May 2007 23:30:10 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_130651_30595618.1180135808084 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline I concur, Per... so amazing, though.. I can't wait to get an intel SO that i can use Mobius. SooperLooper, as wonderful as it has been for me has blown up on a couple of very high profile gigs, and it's the rate shift which has been the culprit. I had to take an echoplex on my last tour to remedy the situation... Jesse says that even with the new version, rate shift is no less dodgy. however, SL has been the answer to ALL my sync needs and issues... internally that is... still, Ableton Live still does not play well with others OUTside the box. Krispen, I remain impressed with your setup, and I will go back to trying Jeff's looper again. really tough on me not to be able to sync with soundfiles in Ableton. but someone save me from hardware devices! Krispen, have you had any luck with emulating a replace function at all? My Max/MSP chops are not so good that I can program lfo's to drop sound out or sample small bits of a sound file. all best, y'all. Greetings from the East! t. On 5/25/07, Per Boysen wrote: > > On 26 maj 2007, at 00.28, Krispen Hartung wrote: > > > 4 separate stereo looping tracks with the following: > > > > - Record (no overdub) > > - Play > > - Reset > > - Reverse > > - Half speed > > - Double speed > > - Half Speed/Reverse > > - Forward > > - Stop > > - Variable speed (forward and backward) controlled via a knob > > - Track volume > > - Track pan > > > Nice, that's about all you need. Personally I'd like to add one > though, Rate Shift. I'm just too addicted to making up chord changes > of loops by manipulating the pitch. I've done great stuff with only > the Augustus Loop in the past. I'd also like to check out the latest > SooperLooper version ASAP, last time I was checking the Rate Shift > was a bit dodgy. Need to find a looping solution for Mac because I > can't lag around two laptops on every gig (the second one for Mobius, > running XP). > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > www.looproom.com (international) > http://www.myspace.com/looproom > http://www.jamendo.com/en/artist/per.boysen/ > http://www.jamendo.com/en/artist/lo.fi.lazer/ > > > > -- http://www.toddreynolds.com |: http://myspace.com/toddreynoldsmusic |: ------------------------------------------------------|: 917.576.6166 todd@toddreynolds.com toddreyn@gmail.com ------=_Part_130651_30595618.1180135808084 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline I concur, Per...

so amazing, though.. I can't wait to get an intel SO that i can use Mobius.

SooperLooper, as wonderful as it has been for me has blown up on a couple of very high profile gigs, and it's the rate shift which has been the culprit. 

I had to take an echoplex on my last tour to remedy the situation... Jesse says that even with the new version, rate shift is no less dodgy.

however, SL has been the answer to ALL my sync needs and issues... internally that is...

still, Ableton Live still does not play well with others OUTside the box.

Krispen, I remain impressed with your setup, and I will go back to trying Jeff's looper again.  really tough on me not to be able to sync with soundfiles in Ableton.

but someone save me from hardware devices!  Krispen, have you had any luck with emulating a replace function at all?  My Max/MSP chops are not so good that I can program lfo's to drop sound out or sample small bits of a sound file.

all best, y'all.

Greetings from the East!

t.



On 5/25/07, Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com > wrote:
On 26 maj 2007, at 00.28, Krispen Hartung wrote:

> 4 separate stereo looping tracks with the following:
>
> - Record (no overdub)
> - Play
> - Reset
> - Reverse
> - Half speed
> - Double speed
> - Half Speed/Reverse
> - Forward
> - Stop
> - Variable speed (forward and backward) controlled via a knob
> - Track volume
> - Track pan


Nice, that's about all you need. Personally I'd like to add one
though, Rate Shift. I'm just too addicted to making up chord changes
of loops by manipulating the pitch. I've done great stuff with only
the Augustus Loop in the past. I'd also like to check out the latest
SooperLooper version ASAP, last time I was checking the Rate Shift
was a bit dodgy. Need to find a looping solution for Mac because I
can't lag around two laptops on every gig (the second one for Mobius,
running XP).

Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
www.boysen.se (Swedish)
www.looproom.com (international)
http://www.myspace.com/looproom
http://www.jamendo.com/en/artist/per.boysen/
http://www.jamendo.com/en/artist/lo.fi.lazer/






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toddreyn@gmail.com ------=_Part_130651_30595618.1180135808084-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 25 23:38:16 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4A48D3BEB3; Fri, 25 May 2007 23:38:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-priority:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=NcY2wj/ddfhzP/NrphDHgy0+GaUZXVaimi7dR9xs4jM6uET70JvjH8vo4DqOc078UDrAIcpk52d42iHEyTasBaxo8gsltL4iaFRCyyROx8flH1QeecwwQWyZjoFX1VjzoXmRuQQ7pICFsGTy5aAgFgtJHkVM4OiOJ/ndB08LUO8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-priority:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=mvnDqHVP38c/Hje1dRIa4sFsZWloSJ4b5YEdE53VB+0XulhliA9pAQTomcnwD2vbpSw0QRHhSklRG0vR88ZhEwEa4nuYA2pU7R1NFDz8ss1gV+Ss/1viHSgU9wT6PYyvj12uGguNU2sHGsixZllcRWz88ibFYJ4svOckeZ2IEVw= In-Reply-To: <039601c79f24$0ec6ff30$6bb0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> References: <038701c79f1c$0f033e80$6bb0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <98C93522-9705-49E9-99F1-B1FAB586206D@gmail.com> <039601c79f24$0ec6ff30$6bb0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <0933A541-7B4B-40DB-A46B-5735EF318A5B@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: My Conversation to MAX/MSP - Now Includes Looper Date: Sat, 26 May 2007 01:37:39 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70473 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 25 May 2007 23:38:16 +0000 (UTC) On 26 maj 2007, at 01.25, Krispen Hartung wrote: > I'll investigate Rate Shift with Kaiser. I like that feature too! Cool! Ask him to make it assignable to both notes and CC#. That way you can "play" chord changes by feet from pedals sending MIDI note numbers and you can also "scratch" the loop from a MIDI expression pedal. > - Variable speed (forward and backward) controlled via a knob Hey - does this change the rate (pitch) as well? p From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 26 00:45:59 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AF9F83BEB9; Sat, 26 May 2007 00:45:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=QR9tgecmhWR6yqGczEg51hWREmicDZ7o9/ORLmsYXFwi4S8Fz3KX53qJDOTHw/NcjuCuqyp/ms6NR4sgz9PDe+f8yKqStj7pojKL+79V6ZwwMhIBPZU1UtnotQlM+GvEkFE5g/WiWaKC4vXD5XOqn7S18ddxKP/sIXuBDFNg6mc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=VibH66Q3uS3lG8JJfR1DHtxrCfjHqaA6nMrSnIL1KyETPcpjWDAj0FKK1pdc9iu1lps3XK4FM8kib+k8+FxgjNJ7zZl3DEV1QLwYiDeyU9tti0MqxMZAX8OEPkbzlxUHaT+INA/1FjrW8MlVl4ESos5/Ub/SvSxKsQ59pNhzIrw= Message-ID: Date: Fri, 25 May 2007 20:45:57 -0400 From: "Jesse Chappell" Sender: essejlc@gmail.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: My Conversation to MAX/MSP - Now Includes Looper In-Reply-To: <4759e5740705251630n6643d58ev3c0df982d3f3af7d@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <038701c79f1c$0f033e80$6bb0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <98C93522-9705-49E9-99F1-B1FAB586206D@gmail.com> <4759e5740705251630n6643d58ev3c0df982d3f3af7d@mail.gmail.com> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 541daeea2c21f853 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70474 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 26 May 2007 00:45:59 +0000 (UTC) On 5/25/07, todd reynolds wrote: > SooperLooper, as wonderful as it has been for me has blown up on a couple of > very high profile gigs, and it's the rate shift which has been the culprit. Todd, I'm so sorry to hear that! > I had to take an echoplex on my last tour to remedy the situation... Jesse > says that even with the new version, rate shift is no less dodgy. Yes, I will freely admit that it shouldn't even be exposed as a feature right now, it has somehow become so dangerous. Doing it right is unfortunately harder than it should be due to some internal implementation issues, but I hate to have people turned away from it because of that. How about pitch scaling (shifting)? There are a few open source implementations that I could much more quickly incorporate than fixing the rate scaling. Any votes? > however, SL has been the answer to ALL my sync needs and issues... > internally that is... I also plan to have it start sending out midi clock so it can be also be the source. No guarantees to when though, as usual... jlc From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 26 04:17:56 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A2FEC3BED2; Sat, 26 May 2007 04:17:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <042001c79f4c$d3ee5010$6bb0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <038701c79f1c$0f033e80$6bb0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <98C93522-9705-49E9-99F1-B1FAB586206D@gmail.com> <4759e5740705251630n6643d58ev3c0df982d3f3af7d@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: My Conversation to MAX/MSP - Now Includes Looper Date: Fri, 25 May 2007 22:17:51 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70475 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 26 May 2007 04:17:56 +0000 (UTC) Thanks for the replies. See my responses below. ----- Original Message ----- From: todd reynolds [snip] > Krispen, I remain impressed with your setup, and I will go back to trying > Jeff's looper again. really tough on me not to be able to sync with > soundfiles in Ableton. Yes, this could pose a challenge, but I think it could be done in Max. Max can read any MIDI message and do whatever you want with it. But this would require some very complex coding in Max, something that neither Jeff nor I are up to, as we are both asynchronous loopers. You could allow Max to read any MIDI message and then sync loops according to that data. > but someone save me from hardware devices! Krispen, have you had any luck > with emulating a replace function at all? My Max/MSP chops are not so > good that I can program lfo's to drop sound out or sample small bits of a > sound file. I just talked to Kaiser about this. It can be done. It would require that a new buffer be created, which would mix the content of the old buffer with your new inserted content. Apparently it requires the groove~ object in Max. I'm not sure, but it can be done. Also, I just found out that some Max folks are overdubbing as well, which means that we should be able to do insert. Apparently, this requires the poke~ object. Kaiser just sent me a max looping object written by someone else that is like a traditional looper...it records, overdubs, allows pitch change while overdubbing, etc. I'm checking this out now. Kris ---- Original Message ----- From: "Per Boysen >> I'll investigate Rate Shift with Kaiser. I like that feature too! >Cool! Ask him to make it assignable to both notes and CC#. That way you can "play" chord changes by feet from pedals sending MIDI note numbers and you can also "scratch" the loop from a MIDI expression pedal. He will work on rate shift, eventually. However, based on what I know about what you do in Mobius, I think this could be done with pitch change (the gizmo~ object). Basically, I could add a MAX pitch object to the looper object, such that when I record a loop, I can change the pitch of the input signal. How we do this, whether with MIDI program changes, CC#, expression pedal, etc...it doesn't matter to MAX. You can take any MIDI data and tell MAX do translate it in any way you like. Heck, if you wanted to, you could tell Max to do a pitch shift every time it reads a particular frequency. It's all in the programming. >> - Variable speed (forward and backward) controlled via a knob >Hey - does this change the rate (pitch) as well? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Per Boysen" From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 26 04:36:51 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1EA4D3BEDA; Sat, 26 May 2007 04:36:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=N/ng/YdpLuX990fWvWNZwAHLxx/3Rab4uCO66b3QiKQHwfSIRyvuMDT7mx5KclIwubvtUkfrb87U0c0SAIAlhHg9eLhaa5sX7Z/Hd3VFMONYURGqKugQVIXLwIeerJXSlcILPKuFqkmI/+kwRG1XAuy8Z4Fmcd6PdADO3IZQBfk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=XVbI6GdahhSv8TYR3UKWgIxG+MXU8+ON8FdWp88XEjJr1AQe4V9KyVovrlr1aptySijPz0Wnx1ZT1x1lkfzdhRdrpt2jx+UGPCnlgOEzg2VOViH8nyJsn8BEng2zo3Mov2I2l0W5ZGSexFa5JRi9EehT6hy0lzrozZ2Lqhcc2eI= Message-ID: <4759e5740705252136u60c336f8rc5af38f50098033e@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 26 May 2007 00:36:48 -0400 From: "todd reynolds" Reply-To: todd@toddreynolds.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: My Conversation to MAX/MSP - Now Includes Looper In-Reply-To: <042001c79f4c$d3ee5010$6bb0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_131483_15791245.1180154208132" References: <038701c79f1c$0f033e80$6bb0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <98C93522-9705-49E9-99F1-B1FAB586206D@gmail.com> <4759e5740705251630n6643d58ev3c0df982d3f3af7d@mail.gmail.com> <042001c79f4c$d3ee5010$6bb0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Resent-Message-ID: <0Ul6-D.A.9FH.il7VGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70476 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 26 May 2007 04:36:51 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_131483_15791245.1180154208132 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline my replies below as well... On 5/26/07, Krispen Hartung wrote: > > Thanks for the replies. See my responses below. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: todd reynolds > > [snip] > > > Krispen, I remain impressed with your setup, and I will go back to > trying > > Jeff's looper again. really tough on me not to be able to sync with > > soundfiles in Ableton. > > Yes, this could pose a challenge, but I think it could be done in Max. Max > can read any MIDI message and do whatever you want with it. But this would > require some very complex coding in Max, something that neither Jeff nor I > are up to, as we are both asynchronous loopers. You could allow Max to > read > any MIDI message and then sync loops according to that data. Please remember in my replies that I know just enough about Max to hurt myself. Read up on the phasor~ object... it's sample-accurate because the clock is run by audio. a sawtooth wave running a ramp at n cycles per second... nearly everyone i know who is doing any clock stuff is doing it that way... and of course it's above my level on the learning curve which is why i'm still such a Live user exclusively. ( of course now we know we're going to get some crosstalk ) also check out the sync~ object. > but someone save me from hardware devices! Krispen, have you had any luck > > with emulating a replace function at all? My Max/MSP chops are not so > > good that I can program lfo's to drop sound out or sample small bits of > a > > sound file. > > I just talked to Kaiser about this. It can be done. It would require that > a > new buffer be created, which would mix the content of the old buffer with > your new inserted content. Apparently it requires the groove~ object in > Max. > I'm not sure, but it can be done. hmmm. i'll think about this as well... Also, I just found out that some Max folks are overdubbing as well, which > means that we should be able to do insert. Apparently, this requires the > poke~ object. Kaiser just sent me a max looping object written by someone > else that is like a traditional looper...it records, overdubs, allows > pitch > change while overdubbing, etc. I'm checking this out now. in general, it's an either/or situation. either you're running a buffer in which case you can't overdub without creating more buffers, or you're using tapin/tapout to create a traditional delay effect with overdubbing and feedback control. Pitch change while overdubbing doesn't make sense to me within current max parameters, adn as far as i can tell, poke~ is a jitter object... so please do keep me in this loop, if you don't mind the extra bandwidth... I'd love to know what you find out, and really enjoy these type of detective stories... hee hee My chief video collaborator for my show is a pretty voracious jitter user (jeff knows him too, we three had lunch together), so I'm close to the community, just not an excellent programmer yet, about which i always complain... These conversations always educate me just a little further. all best, Kris, and thanks for your reply. todd Kris > > ---- Original Message ----- > From: "Per Boysen > > >> I'll investigate Rate Shift with Kaiser. I like that feature too! > > >Cool! Ask him to make it assignable to both notes and CC#. That way > you can "play" chord changes by feet from pedals sending MIDI note > numbers and you can also "scratch" the loop from a MIDI expression > pedal. > > He will work on rate shift, eventually. However, based on what I know > about > what you do in Mobius, I think this could be done with pitch change (the > gizmo~ object). Basically, I could add a MAX pitch object to the looper > object, such that when I record a loop, I can change the pitch of the > input > signal. How we do this, whether with MIDI program changes, CC#, expression > pedal, etc...it doesn't matter to MAX. You can take any MIDI data and tell > MAX do translate it in any way you like. Heck, if you wanted to, you could > tell Max to do a pitch shift every time it reads a particular frequency. > It's all in the programming. > > >> - Variable speed (forward and backward) controlled via a knob > > >Hey - does this change the rate (pitch) as well? > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Per Boysen" > > > > -- http://www.toddreynolds.com |: http://myspace.com/toddreynoldsmusic |: ------------------------------------------------------|: 917.576.6166 todd@toddreynolds.com toddreyn@gmail.com ------=_Part_131483_15791245.1180154208132 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline my replies below as well...

On 5/26/07, Krispen Hartung <khartung@cableone.net> wrote:
Thanks for the replies. See my responses below.

----- Original Message -----
From: todd reynolds

[snip]

> Krispen, I remain impressed with your setup, and I will go back to trying
> Jeff's looper again.  really tough on me not to be able to sync with
> soundfiles in Ableton.

Yes, this could pose a challenge, but I think it could be done in Max. Max
can read any MIDI message and do whatever you want with it. But this would
require some very complex coding in Max, something that neither Jeff nor I
are up to, as we are both asynchronous loopers. You could allow Max to read
any MIDI message and then sync loops according to that data.


Please remember in my replies that I know just enough about Max to hurt myself.  

Read up on the phasor~ object... it's sample-accurate because the clock is run by audio.  a sawtooth wave running a ramp at n cycles per second... nearly everyone i know who is doing any clock stuff is doing it that way... and of course it's above my level on the learning curve which is why i'm still such a Live user exclusively.  ( of course now we know we're going to get some crosstalk )  also check out the sync~ object.

> but someone save me from hardware devices!  Krispen, have you had any luck
> with emulating a replace function at all?  My Max/MSP chops are not so
> good that I can program lfo's to drop sound out or sample small bits of a
> sound file.

I just talked to Kaiser about this. It can be done. It would require that a
new buffer be created, which would mix the content of the old buffer with
your new inserted content. Apparently it requires the groove~ object in Max.
I'm not sure, but it can be done. 


hmmm.  i'll think about this as well...

Also, I just found out that some Max folks are overdubbing as well, which
means that we should be able to do insert. Apparently, this requires the
poke~ object. Kaiser just sent me a max looping object written by someone
else that is like a traditional looper...it records, overdubs, allows pitch
change while overdubbing, etc. I'm checking this out now.


in general, it's an either/or situation.  either you're running a buffer in which case you can't overdub without creating more buffers, or you're using tapin/tapout to create a traditional delay  effect with overdubbing and feedback control.  Pitch change while overdubbing doesn't make sense to me within current max parameters, adn as far as i can tell, poke~ is a jitter object... so please do keep me in this loop, if you don't mind the extra bandwidth... I'd love to know what you find out, and really enjoy these type of detective stories... hee hee

My chief video collaborator for my show is a pretty voracious jitter user (jeff knows him too, we three had lunch together), so I'm close to the community, just not an excellent programmer yet, about which i always complain...  These conversations always educate me just a little further.

all best, Kris, and thanks for your reply.

todd



Kris

---- Original Message -----
From: "Per Boysen

>> I'll investigate Rate Shift with Kaiser. I like that feature too!

>Cool! Ask him to make it assignable to both notes and CC#. That way
you can "play" chord changes by feet from pedals sending MIDI note
numbers and you can also "scratch" the loop from a MIDI expression
pedal.

He will work on rate shift, eventually. However, based on what I know about
what you do in Mobius, I think this could be done with pitch change (the
gizmo~ object). Basically, I could add a MAX pitch object to the looper
object, such that when I record a loop, I can change the pitch of the input
signal. How we do this, whether with MIDI program changes, CC#, expression
pedal, etc...it doesn't matter to MAX. You can take any MIDI data and tell
MAX do translate it in any way you like. Heck, if you wanted to, you could
tell Max to do a pitch shift every time it reads a particular frequency.
It's all in the programming.

>> - Variable speed (forward and backward) controlled via a knob

>Hey - does this change the rate (pitch) as well?



----- Original Message -----
From: "Per Boysen" <perboysen@gmail.com>






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toddreyn@gmail.com ------=_Part_131483_15791245.1180154208132-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 26 04:43:55 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BFD1D3BED5; Sat, 26 May 2007 04:43:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <044f01c79f50$741769c0$6bb0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <038701c79f1c$0f033e80$6bb0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <98C93522-9705-49E9-99F1-B1FAB586206D@gmail.com> <4759e5740705251630n6643d58ev3c0df982d3f3af7d@mail.gmail.com> <042001c79f4c$d3ee5010$6bb0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <4759e5740705252136u60c336f8rc5af38f50098033e@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: My Conversation to MAX/MSP - Now Includes Looper Date: Fri, 25 May 2007 22:43:48 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_044C_01C79F1E.28938420" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70477 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 26 May 2007 04:43:55 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_044C_01C79F1E.28938420 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I just sent you the code for a max looping patch that records, overdubs = and has rate change. It's from someone on the max forum. I just started = experimenting with it. Kris ----- Original Message -----=20 From: todd reynolds=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Friday, May 25, 2007 10:36 PM Subject: Re: My Conversation to MAX/MSP - Now Includes Looper my replies below as well...=20 On 5/26/07, Krispen Hartung wrote: Thanks for the replies. See my responses below. ----- Original Message ----- From: todd reynolds [snip] > Krispen, I remain impressed with your setup, and I will go back to = trying > Jeff's looper again. really tough on me not to be able to sync = with=20 > soundfiles in Ableton. Yes, this could pose a challenge, but I think it could be done in = Max. Max can read any MIDI message and do whatever you want with it. But this = would require some very complex coding in Max, something that neither Jeff = nor I=20 are up to, as we are both asynchronous loopers. You could allow Max = to read any MIDI message and then sync loops according to that data. Please remember in my replies that I know just enough about Max to = hurt myself. =20 Read up on the phasor~ object... it's sample-accurate because the = clock is run by audio. a sawtooth wave running a ramp at n cycles per = second... nearly everyone i know who is doing any clock stuff is doing = it that way... and of course it's above my level on the learning curve = which is why i'm still such a Live user exclusively. ( of course now we = know we're going to get some crosstalk ) also check out the sync~ = object.=20 > but someone save me from hardware devices! Krispen, have you had = any luck=20 > with emulating a replace function at all? My Max/MSP chops are = not so > good that I can program lfo's to drop sound out or sample small = bits of a > sound file. I just talked to Kaiser about this. It can be done. It would require = that a=20 new buffer be created, which would mix the content of the old buffer = with your new inserted content. Apparently it requires the groove~ object = in Max. I'm not sure, but it can be done. =20 hmmm. i'll think about this as well...=20 Also, I just found out that some Max folks are overdubbing as well, = which=20 means that we should be able to do insert. Apparently, this requires = the poke~ object. Kaiser just sent me a max looping object written by = someone else that is like a traditional looper...it records, overdubs, = allows pitch=20 change while overdubbing, etc. I'm checking this out now. in general, it's an either/or situation. either you're running a = buffer in which case you can't overdub without creating more buffers, or = you're using tapin/tapout to create a traditional delay effect with = overdubbing and feedback control. Pitch change while overdubbing = doesn't make sense to me within current max parameters, adn as far as i = can tell, poke~ is a jitter object... so please do keep me in this loop, = if you don't mind the extra bandwidth... I'd love to know what you find = out, and really enjoy these type of detective stories... hee hee=20 My chief video collaborator for my show is a pretty voracious jitter = user (jeff knows him too, we three had lunch together), so I'm close to = the community, just not an excellent programmer yet, about which i = always complain... These conversations always educate me just a little = further.=20 all best, Kris, and thanks for your reply. todd Kris ---- Original Message ----- From: "Per Boysen >> I'll investigate Rate Shift with Kaiser. I like that feature too! >Cool! Ask him to make it assignable to both notes and CC#. That way = you can "play" chord changes by feet from pedals sending MIDI note numbers and you can also "scratch" the loop from a MIDI expression pedal. He will work on rate shift, eventually. However, based on what I = know about=20 what you do in Mobius, I think this could be done with pitch change = (the gizmo~ object). Basically, I could add a MAX pitch object to the = looper object, such that when I record a loop, I can change the pitch of = the input=20 signal. How we do this, whether with MIDI program changes, CC#, = expression pedal, etc...it doesn't matter to MAX. You can take any MIDI data = and tell MAX do translate it in any way you like. Heck, if you wanted to, you = could=20 tell Max to do a pitch shift every time it reads a particular = frequency. It's all in the programming. >> - Variable speed (forward and backward) controlled via a knob >Hey - does this change the rate (pitch) as well?=20 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Per Boysen" --=20 http://www.toddreynolds.com |: http://myspace.com/toddreynoldsmusic |: ------------------------------------------------------|: 917.576.6166 =20 todd@toddreynolds.com toddreyn@gmail.com ------=_NextPart_000_044C_01C79F1E.28938420 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I just sent you the code for a max = looping patch=20 that records, overdubs and has rate change. It's from someone on the max = forum.=20 I just started experimenting with it.
 
Kris
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 todd = reynolds=20
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Friday, May 25, 2007 = 10:36 PM
Subject: Re: My Conversation to = MAX/MSP -=20 Now Includes Looper

my replies below as well...

On 5/26/07, Krispen=20 Hartung <khartung@cableone.net>=20 wrote:
Thanks=20 for the replies. See my responses below.

----- Original = Message=20 -----
From: todd reynolds

[snip]

> Krispen, I = remain=20 impressed with your setup, and I will go back to trying
> = Jeff's=20 looper again.  really tough on me not to be able to sync = with=20
> soundfiles in Ableton.

Yes, this could pose a = challenge, but=20 I think it could be done in Max. Max
can read any MIDI message = and do=20 whatever you want with it. But this would
require some very = complex=20 coding in Max, something that neither Jeff nor I
are up to, as = we are=20 both asynchronous loopers. You could allow Max to read
any MIDI = message=20 and then sync loops according to that data.


Please remember in my replies that I know just enough = about Max=20 to hurt myself.  

Read up on the phasor~ object... = it's=20 sample-accurate because the clock is run by audio.  a sawtooth = wave=20 running a ramp at n cycles per second... nearly everyone i know who is = doing=20 any clock stuff is doing it that way... and of course it's above my = level on=20 the learning curve which is why i'm still such a Live user = exclusively. =20 ( of course now we know we're going to get some crosstalk )  also = check=20 out the sync~ object.

>=20 but someone save me from hardware devices!  Krispen, have = you had=20 any luck
> with emulating a replace function at = all?  My=20 Max/MSP chops are not so
> good that I can program lfo's to = drop sound=20 out or sample small bits of a
> sound file.

I just = talked to=20 Kaiser about this. It can be done. It would require that a
new = buffer be=20 created, which would mix the content of the old buffer with
your = new=20 inserted content. Apparently it requires the groove~ object in = Max.
I'm=20 not sure, but it can be done. 


hmmm.  i'll think about this as well... =

Also,=20 I just found out that some Max folks are overdubbing as well, which=20
means that we should be able to do insert. Apparently, this = requires=20 the
poke~ object. Kaiser just sent me a max looping object = written by=20 someone
else that is like a traditional looper...it records, = overdubs,=20 allows pitch
change while overdubbing, etc. I'm checking this = out=20 now.


in general, it's an either/or situation.  either = you're=20 running a buffer in which case you can't overdub without creating more = buffers, or you're using tapin/tapout to create a traditional = delay =20 effect with overdubbing and feedback control.  Pitch change while = overdubbing doesn't make sense to me within current max parameters, = adn as far=20 as i can tell, poke~ is a jitter object... so please do keep me in = this loop,=20 if you don't mind the extra bandwidth... I'd love to know what you = find out,=20 and really enjoy these type of detective stories... hee hee

My = chief=20 video collaborator for my show is a pretty voracious jitter user (jeff = knows=20 him too, we three had lunch together), so I'm close to the community, = just not=20 an excellent programmer yet, about which i always complain...  = These=20 conversations always educate me just a little further.

all = best, Kris,=20 and thanks for your reply.

todd



Kris

----=20 Original Message -----
From: "Per Boysen

>> I'll = investigate=20 Rate Shift with Kaiser. I like that feature too!

>Cool! = Ask him to=20 make it assignable to both notes and CC#. That way
you can = "play" chord=20 changes by feet from pedals sending MIDI note
numbers and you can = also=20 "scratch" the loop from a MIDI expression
pedal.

He will = work on=20 rate shift, eventually. However, based on what I know about
what = you do=20 in Mobius, I think this could be done with pitch change = (the
gizmo~=20 object). Basically, I could add a MAX pitch object to the = looper
object,=20 such that when I record a loop, I can change the pitch of the input=20
signal. How we do this, whether with MIDI program changes, CC#,=20 expression
pedal, etc...it doesn't matter to MAX. You can take = any MIDI=20 data and tell
MAX do translate it in any way you like. Heck, if = you=20 wanted to, you could
tell Max to do a pitch shift every time it = reads a=20 particular frequency.
It's all in the = programming.

>> -=20 Variable speed (forward and backward) controlled via a = knob

>Hey -=20 does this change the rate (pitch) as well?



----- = Original=20 Message -----
From: "Per Boysen" <perboysen@gmail.com>




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toddreyn@gmail.com=20 ------=_NextPart_000_044C_01C79F1E.28938420-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 26 04:53:20 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 740153BED5; Sat, 26 May 2007 04:53:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=f/aB72leD3jsGgjg/N+ifX/xJcvC2afnzoWZc1vn0v4S8ImsjKMVenWkYy/sKbp7Ol825OvtMMgJbRt+XJThYTyRo0iWmMhrnGCuPgXNShGEP5fRu22QMF7jv9ncKflQPw4A+si+I+n2AOEbkijnCYmi+hNTMGNUMBhr8NjfqFA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=XojOljAiqDzEq5jEkM3/bCJDia1/9VFhcozxilPR3usF9CZLKCHwRXOkcGHNPGnvTr09lN3TL44HBOZ03dFI0E3asYFNwZz6eb3FWoknbvkLOTQ20FIjZ6Yaf0ioPu76+zUHl8yUyVlrxp2iNFCiqNas9NZUYSd8VcIf/HZ+CQM= Message-ID: <4759e5740705252153l53db6fb7n3ef8ec2579e41b72@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 26 May 2007 00:53:17 -0400 From: "todd reynolds" Reply-To: todd@toddreynolds.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: My Conversation to MAX/MSP - Now Includes Looper In-Reply-To: <044f01c79f50$741769c0$6bb0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_131527_3294279.1180155197242" References: <038701c79f1c$0f033e80$6bb0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <98C93522-9705-49E9-99F1-B1FAB586206D@gmail.com> <4759e5740705251630n6643d58ev3c0df982d3f3af7d@mail.gmail.com> <042001c79f4c$d3ee5010$6bb0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <4759e5740705252136u60c336f8rc5af38f50098033e@mail.gmail.com> <044f01c79f50$741769c0$6bb0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Resent-Message-ID: <7HNlFC.A.IR._07VGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70478 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 26 May 2007 04:53:20 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_131527_3294279.1180155197242 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline not working... it's interesting... the error message i get is error: #N: missing arguments for message "poke~" the effect i get is that i get a 440 hz sine sawtooth when i turn on the audio, and the spacebar doesn't work. i wonder if there's an object problem somewhere. i'm on 4.6.2. what are you on? and what version should run the patch? t. On 5/26/07, Krispen Hartung wrote: > > I just sent you the code for a max looping patch that records, overdubs > and has rate change. It's from someone on the max forum. I just started > experimenting with it. > > Kris > > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* todd reynolds > *To:* Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > *Sent:* Friday, May 25, 2007 10:36 PM > *Subject:* Re: My Conversation to MAX/MSP - Now Includes Looper > > my replies below as well... > > On 5/26/07, Krispen Hartung wrote: > > > > Thanks for the replies. See my responses below. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: todd reynolds > > > > [snip] > > > > > Krispen, I remain impressed with your setup, and I will go back to > > trying > > > Jeff's looper again. really tough on me not to be able to sync with > > > soundfiles in Ableton. > > > > Yes, this could pose a challenge, but I think it could be done in Max. > > Max > > can read any MIDI message and do whatever you want with it. But this > > would > > require some very complex coding in Max, something that neither Jeff nor > > I > > are up to, as we are both asynchronous loopers. You could allow Max to > > read > > any MIDI message and then sync loops according to that data. > > > > Please remember in my replies that I know just enough about Max to hurt > myself. > > Read up on the phasor~ object... it's sample-accurate because the clock is > run by audio. a sawtooth wave running a ramp at n cycles per second... > nearly everyone i know who is doing any clock stuff is doing it that way... > and of course it's above my level on the learning curve which is why i'm > still such a Live user exclusively. ( of course now we know we're going to > get some crosstalk ) also check out the sync~ object. > > > but someone save me from hardware devices! Krispen, have you had any > > luck > > > with emulating a replace function at all? My Max/MSP chops are not so > > > good that I can program lfo's to drop sound out or sample small bits > > of a > > > sound file. > > > > I just talked to Kaiser about this. It can be done. It would require > > that a > > new buffer be created, which would mix the content of the old buffer > > with > > your new inserted content. Apparently it requires the groove~ object in > > Max. > > I'm not sure, but it can be done. > > > > hmmm. i'll think about this as well... > > Also, I just found out that some Max folks are overdubbing as well, which > > means that we should be able to do insert. Apparently, this requires the > > poke~ object. Kaiser just sent me a max looping object written by > > someone > > else that is like a traditional looper...it records, overdubs, allows > > pitch > > change while overdubbing, etc. I'm checking this out now. > > > > in general, it's an either/or situation. either you're running a buffer > in which case you can't overdub without creating more buffers, or you're > using tapin/tapout to create a traditional delay effect with overdubbing > and feedback control. Pitch change while overdubbing doesn't make sense to > me within current max parameters, adn as far as i can tell, poke~ is a > jitter object... so please do keep me in this loop, if you don't mind the > extra bandwidth... I'd love to know what you find out, and really enjoy > these type of detective stories... hee hee > > My chief video collaborator for my show is a pretty voracious jitter user > (jeff knows him too, we three had lunch together), so I'm close to the > community, just not an excellent programmer yet, about which i always > complain... These conversations always educate me just a little further. > > all best, Kris, and thanks for your reply. > > todd > > > > Kris > > > > ---- Original Message ----- > > From: "Per Boysen > > > > >> I'll investigate Rate Shift with Kaiser. I like that feature too! > > > > >Cool! Ask him to make it assignable to both notes and CC#. That way > > you can "play" chord changes by feet from pedals sending MIDI note > > numbers and you can also "scratch" the loop from a MIDI expression > > pedal. > > > > He will work on rate shift, eventually. However, based on what I know > > about > > what you do in Mobius, I think this could be done with pitch change (the > > gizmo~ object). Basically, I could add a MAX pitch object to the looper > > object, such that when I record a loop, I can change the pitch of the > > input > > signal. How we do this, whether with MIDI program changes, CC#, > > expression > > pedal, etc...it doesn't matter to MAX. You can take any MIDI data and > > tell > > MAX do translate it in any way you like. Heck, if you wanted to, you > > could > > tell Max to do a pitch shift every time it reads a particular frequency. > > It's all in the programming. > > > > >> - Variable speed (forward and backward) controlled via a knob > > > > >Hey - does this change the rate (pitch) as well? > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Per Boysen" > > > > > > > > > > > -- > http://www.toddreynolds.com |: > http://myspace.com/toddreynoldsmusic |: > ------------------------------------------------------|: > 917.576.6166 > todd@toddreynolds.com > toddreyn@gmail.com > > -- http://www.toddreynolds.com |: http://myspace.com/toddreynoldsmusic |: ------------------------------------------------------|: 917.576.6166 todd@toddreynolds.com toddreyn@gmail.com ------=_Part_131527_3294279.1180155197242 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline not working... it's interesting... the error message i get is error: #N: missing arguments for message "poke~"

the effect i get is that i get a 440 hz sine sawtooth when i turn on the audio, and the spacebar doesn't work.

i wonder if there's an object problem somewhere.  i'm on 4.6.2.  what are you on?  and what version should run the patch?

t.



On 5/26/07, Krispen Hartung <khartung@cableone.net> wrote:
I just sent you the code for a max looping patch that records, overdubs and has rate change. It's from someone on the max forum. I just started experimenting with it.
 
Kris
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, May 25, 2007 10:36 PM
Subject: Re: My Conversation to MAX/MSP - Now Includes Looper

my replies below as well...

On 5/26/07, Krispen Hartung <khartung@cableone.net> wrote:
Thanks for the replies. See my responses below.

----- Original Message -----
From: todd reynolds

[snip]

> Krispen, I remain impressed with your setup, and I will go back to trying
> Jeff's looper again.  really tough on me not to be able to sync with
> soundfiles in Ableton.

Yes, this could pose a challenge, but I think it could be done in Max. Max
can read any MIDI message and do whatever you want with it. But this would
require some very complex coding in Max, something that neither Jeff nor I
are up to, as we are both asynchronous loopers. You could allow Max to read
any MIDI message and then sync loops according to that data.


Please remember in my replies that I know just enough about Max to hurt myself.  

Read up on the phasor~ object... it's sample-accurate because the clock is run by audio.  a sawtooth wave running a ramp at n cycles per second... nearly everyone i know who is doing any clock stuff is doing it that way... and of course it's above my level on the learning curve which is why i'm still such a Live user exclusively.  ( of course now we know we're going to get some crosstalk )  also check out the sync~ object.

> but someone save me from hardware devices!  Krispen, have you had any luck
> with emulating a replace function at all?  My Max/MSP chops are not so
> good that I can program lfo's to drop sound out or sample small bits of a
> sound file.

I just talked to Kaiser about this. It can be done. It would require that a
new buffer be created, which would mix the content of the old buffer with
your new inserted content. Apparently it requires the groove~ object in Max.
I'm not sure, but it can be done. 


hmmm.  i'll think about this as well...

Also, I just found out that some Max folks are overdubbing as well, which
means that we should be able to do insert. Apparently, this requires the
poke~ object. Kaiser just sent me a max looping object written by someone
else that is like a traditional looper...it records, overdubs, allows pitch
change while overdubbing, etc. I'm checking this out now.


in general, it's an either/or situation.  either you're running a buffer in which case you can't overdub without creating more buffers, or you're using tapin/tapout to create a traditional delay  effect with overdubbing and feedback control.  Pitch change while overdubbing doesn't make sense to me within current max parameters, adn as far as i can tell, poke~ is a jitter object... so please do keep me in this loop, if you don't mind the extra bandwidth... I'd love to know what you find out, and really enjoy these type of detective stories... hee hee

My chief video collaborator for my show is a pretty voracious jitter user (jeff knows him too, we three had lunch together), so I'm close to the community, just not an excellent programmer yet, about which i always complain...  These conversations always educate me just a little further.

all best, Kris, and thanks for your reply.

todd



Kris

---- Original Message -----
From: "Per Boysen

>> I'll investigate Rate Shift with Kaiser. I like that feature too!

>Cool! Ask him to make it assignable to both notes and CC#. That way
you can "play" chord changes by feet from pedals sending MIDI note
numbers and you can also "scratch" the loop from a MIDI expression
pedal.

He will work on rate shift, eventually. However, based on what I know about
what you do in Mobius, I think this could be done with pitch change (the
gizmo~ object). Basically, I could add a MAX pitch object to the looper
object, such that when I record a loop, I can change the pitch of the input
signal. How we do this, whether with MIDI program changes, CC#, expression
pedal, etc...it doesn't matter to MAX. You can take any MIDI data and tell
MAX do translate it in any way you like. Heck, if you wanted to, you could
tell Max to do a pitch shift every time it reads a particular frequency.
It's all in the programming.

>> - Variable speed (forward and backward) controlled via a knob

>Hey - does this change the rate (pitch) as well?



----- Original Message -----
From: "Per Boysen" <perboysen@gmail.com>






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toddreyn@gmail.com ------=_Part_131527_3294279.1180155197242-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 26 04:56:34 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B50253BEDF; Sat, 26 May 2007 04:56:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=BSSYqmGYPqL0gaPEhJiOiuUGLpNlfAhIVcrARQIy35DXGgCywtJOg+sWj7QyxZ1GX5i5sweYbiIVSkhC00wBrrAp+aOZUn4qnjS3/ib+0smtxDN/M2ISS0+l5CH0tL4qw9Eflonk5rI52wvMBKuymH2gZ+jx1p+w8jBtiiKgqIw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=DVCx8HhJBYuRO1ptadEIKvPYEeOi5fdSyFoqZ05jy6c65jyuF21J5xhJr7vrkUM4M6tJ9+NMb35nI5LzveODVoKHVVlLkzYandJsH/B2WvACq8f8LDkvnZw7v9t+FQDfA9zljdz7fTNK4Vfa0Vhaj/YCp2EYob6HUaXL2B6Ldpk= Message-ID: <4759e5740705252156y3bc11ebdt85995f201a00fc71@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 26 May 2007 00:56:32 -0400 From: "todd reynolds" Reply-To: todd@toddreynolds.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: My Conversation to MAX/MSP - Now Includes Looper In-Reply-To: <4759e5740705252153l53db6fb7n3ef8ec2579e41b72@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_131539_19847628.1180155392696" References: <038701c79f1c$0f033e80$6bb0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <98C93522-9705-49E9-99F1-B1FAB586206D@gmail.com> <4759e5740705251630n6643d58ev3c0df982d3f3af7d@mail.gmail.com> <042001c79f4c$d3ee5010$6bb0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <4759e5740705252136u60c336f8rc5af38f50098033e@mail.gmail.com> <044f01c79f50$741769c0$6bb0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <4759e5740705252153l53db6fb7n3ef8ec2579e41b72@mail.gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70479 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 26 May 2007 04:56:34 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_131539_19847628.1180155392696 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline should have tried before writing... works fine in 4.5 ... i'll look at this more closely... On 5/26/07, todd reynolds wrote: > > not working... it's interesting... the error message i get is error: #N: > missing arguments for message "poke~" > > the effect i get is that i get a 440 hz sine sawtooth when i turn on the > audio, and the spacebar doesn't work. > > i wonder if there's an object problem somewhere. i'm on 4.6.2. what are > you on? and what version should run the patch? > > t. > > > > On 5/26/07, Krispen Hartung wrote: > > > > I just sent you the code for a max looping patch that records, overdubs > > and has rate change. It's from someone on the max forum. I just started > > experimenting with it. > > > > Kris > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > *From:* todd reynolds > > *To:* Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > *Sent:* Friday, May 25, 2007 10:36 PM > > *Subject:* Re: My Conversation to MAX/MSP - Now Includes Looper > > > > my replies below as well... > > > > On 5/26/07, Krispen Hartung wrote: > > > > > > Thanks for the replies. See my responses below. > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: todd reynolds > > > > > > [snip] > > > > > > > Krispen, I remain impressed with your setup, and I will go back to > > > trying > > > > Jeff's looper again. really tough on me not to be able to sync with > > > > > > > soundfiles in Ableton. > > > > > > Yes, this could pose a challenge, but I think it could be done in Max. > > > Max > > > can read any MIDI message and do whatever you want with it. But this > > > would > > > require some very complex coding in Max, something that neither Jeff > > > nor I > > > are up to, as we are both asynchronous loopers. You could allow Max to > > > read > > > any MIDI message and then sync loops according to that data. > > > > > > > > Please remember in my replies that I know just enough about Max to hurt > > myself. > > > > Read up on the phasor~ object... it's sample-accurate because the clock > > is run by audio. a sawtooth wave running a ramp at n cycles per second... > > nearly everyone i know who is doing any clock stuff is doing it that way... > > and of course it's above my level on the learning curve which is why i'm > > still such a Live user exclusively. ( of course now we know we're going to > > get some crosstalk ) also check out the sync~ object. > > > > > but someone save me from hardware devices! Krispen, have you had any > > > luck > > > > with emulating a replace function at all? My Max/MSP chops are not > > > so > > > > good that I can program lfo's to drop sound out or sample small bits > > > of a > > > > sound file. > > > > > > I just talked to Kaiser about this. It can be done. It would require > > > that a > > > new buffer be created, which would mix the content of the old buffer > > > with > > > your new inserted content. Apparently it requires the groove~ object > > > in Max. > > > I'm not sure, but it can be done. > > > > > > > > hmmm. i'll think about this as well... > > > > Also, I just found out that some Max folks are overdubbing as well, > > > which > > > means that we should be able to do insert. Apparently, this requires > > > the > > > poke~ object. Kaiser just sent me a max looping object written by > > > someone > > > else that is like a traditional looper...it records, overdubs, allows > > > pitch > > > change while overdubbing, etc. I'm checking this out now. > > > > > > > > in general, it's an either/or situation. either you're running a buffer > > in which case you can't overdub without creating more buffers, or you're > > using tapin/tapout to create a traditional delay effect with overdubbing > > and feedback control. Pitch change while overdubbing doesn't make sense to > > me within current max parameters, adn as far as i can tell, poke~ is a > > jitter object... so please do keep me in this loop, if you don't mind the > > extra bandwidth... I'd love to know what you find out, and really enjoy > > these type of detective stories... hee hee > > > > My chief video collaborator for my show is a pretty voracious jitter > > user (jeff knows him too, we three had lunch together), so I'm close to the > > community, just not an excellent programmer yet, about which i always > > complain... These conversations always educate me just a little further. > > > > all best, Kris, and thanks for your reply. > > > > todd > > > > > > > > Kris > > > > > > ---- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Per Boysen > > > > > > >> I'll investigate Rate Shift with Kaiser. I like that feature too! > > > > > > >Cool! Ask him to make it assignable to both notes and CC#. That way > > > you can "play" chord changes by feet from pedals sending MIDI note > > > numbers and you can also "scratch" the loop from a MIDI expression > > > pedal. > > > > > > He will work on rate shift, eventually. However, based on what I know > > > about > > > what you do in Mobius, I think this could be done with pitch change > > > (the > > > gizmo~ object). Basically, I could add a MAX pitch object to the > > > looper > > > object, such that when I record a loop, I can change the pitch of the > > > input > > > signal. How we do this, whether with MIDI program changes, CC#, > > > expression > > > pedal, etc...it doesn't matter to MAX. You can take any MIDI data and > > > tell > > > MAX do translate it in any way you like. Heck, if you wanted to, you > > > could > > > tell Max to do a pitch shift every time it reads a particular > > > frequency. > > > It's all in the programming. > > > > > > >> - Variable speed (forward and backward) controlled via a knob > > > > > > >Hey - does this change the rate (pitch) as well? > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Per Boysen" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > http://www.toddreynolds.com |: > > http://myspace.com/toddreynoldsmusic |: > > ------------------------------------------------------|: > > 917.576.6166 > > todd@toddreynolds.com > > toddreyn@gmail.com > > > > > > > -- > http://www.toddreynolds.com |: > http://myspace.com/toddreynoldsmusic |: > ------------------------------------------------------|: > 917.576.6166 > todd@toddreynolds.com > toddreyn@gmail.com > -- http://www.toddreynolds.com |: http://myspace.com/toddreynoldsmusic |: ------------------------------------------------------|: 917.576.6166 todd@toddreynolds.com toddreyn@gmail.com ------=_Part_131539_19847628.1180155392696 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline should have tried before writing...

works fine in 4.5

... i'll look at this more closely...


On 5/26/07, todd reynolds < toddreyn@gmail.com> wrote:
not working... it's interesting... the error message i get is error: #N: missing arguments for message "poke~"

the effect i get is that i get a 440 hz sine sawtooth when i turn on the audio, and the spacebar doesn't work.

i wonder if there's an object problem somewhere.  i'm on 4.6.2.  what are you on?  and what version should run the patch?

t.




On 5/26/07, Krispen Hartung <khartung@cableone.net> wrote:
I just sent you the code for a max looping patch that records, overdubs and has rate change. It's from someone on the max forum. I just started experimenting with it.
 
Kris
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, May 25, 2007 10:36 PM
Subject: Re: My Conversation to MAX/MSP - Now Includes Looper

my replies below as well...

On 5/26/07, Krispen Hartung <khartung@cableone.net> wrote:
Thanks for the replies. See my responses below.

----- Original Message -----
From: todd reynolds

[snip]

> Krispen, I remain impressed with your setup, and I will go back to trying
> Jeff's looper again.  really tough on me not to be able to sync with
> soundfiles in Ableton.

Yes, this could pose a challenge, but I think it could be done in Max. Max
can read any MIDI message and do whatever you want with it. But this would
require some very complex coding in Max, something that neither Jeff nor I
are up to, as we are both asynchronous loopers. You could allow Max to read
any MIDI message and then sync loops according to that data.


Please remember in my replies that I know just enough about Max to hurt myself.  

Read up on the phasor~ object... it's sample-accurate because the clock is run by audio.  a sawtooth wave running a ramp at n cycles per second... nearly everyone i know who is doing any clock stuff is doing it that way... and of course it's above my level on the learning curve which is why i'm still such a Live user exclusively.  ( of course now we know we're going to get some crosstalk )  also check out the sync~ object.

> but someone save me from hardware devices!  Krispen, have you had any luck
> with emulating a replace function at all?  My Max/MSP chops are not so
> good that I can program lfo's to drop sound out or sample small bits of a
> sound file.

I just talked to Kaiser about this. It can be done. It would require that a
new buffer be created, which would mix the content of the old buffer with
your new inserted content. Apparently it requires the groove~ object in Max.
I'm not sure, but it can be done. 


hmmm.  i'll think about this as well...

Also, I just found out that some Max folks are overdubbing as well, which
means that we should be able to do insert. Apparently, this requires the
poke~ object. Kaiser just sent me a max looping object written by someone
else that is like a traditional looper...it records, overdubs, allows pitch
change while overdubbing, etc. I'm checking this out now.


in general, it's an either/or situation.  either you're running a buffer in which case you can't overdub without creating more buffers, or you're using tapin/tapout to create a traditional delay  effect with overdubbing and feedback control.  Pitch change while overdubbing doesn't make sense to me within current max parameters, adn as far as i can tell, poke~ is a jitter object... so please do keep me in this loop, if you don't mind the extra bandwidth... I'd love to know what you find out, and really enjoy these type of detective stories... hee hee

My chief video collaborator for my show is a pretty voracious jitter user (jeff knows him too, we three had lunch together), so I'm close to the community, just not an excellent programmer yet, about which i always complain...  These conversations always educate me just a little further.

all best, Kris, and thanks for your reply.

todd



Kris

---- Original Message -----
From: "Per Boysen

>> I'll investigate Rate Shift with Kaiser. I like that feature too!

>Cool! Ask him to make it assignable to both notes and CC#. That way
you can "play" chord changes by feet from pedals sending MIDI note
numbers and you can also "scratch" the loop from a MIDI expression
pedal.

He will work on rate shift, eventually. However, based on what I know about
what you do in Mobius, I think this could be done with pitch change (the
gizmo~ object). Basically, I could add a MAX pitch object to the looper
object, such that when I record a loop, I can change the pitch of the input
signal. How we do this, whether with MIDI program changes, CC#, expression
pedal, etc...it doesn't matter to MAX. You can take any MIDI data and tell
MAX do translate it in any way you like. Heck, if you wanted to, you could
tell Max to do a pitch shift every time it reads a particular frequency.
It's all in the programming.

>> - Variable speed (forward and backward) controlled via a knob

>Hey - does this change the rate (pitch) as well?



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toddreyn@gmail.com ------=_Part_131539_19847628.1180155392696-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 26 08:04:50 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C3E4D3BECF; Sat, 26 May 2007 08:04:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-priority:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=SqoTXX5NGWMuU+tbilS6t/qJN/dDuk1X38lfLXcnXEQ99lKGoIfwcixzl8f2hFHcDKGcn1OZziMRgezvxYCcMi1ZF1yUDKNBXYwBc5go7nd+SRaRn6/cvlYjikoMa1GCtGA2WB378kFBLozif/9wR1olwYO8KgNy897wBhjFfxg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-priority:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=XCtumrQNGEka6PvybBCyPRzBJhrMfKmWc9rOOFa1HOJoqF2a7tkOVokdB+rio2SZHqzhfTiMHaYqVmbXrhRoWzLqB0PzsM70LWE7uzKooMvx09SuLkiLX6fH5tQu6KsA3/F5Eb4oMqOt/4sneOhl5zk0KNBDYkhoKmHDhJy+T9E= In-Reply-To: <042001c79f4c$d3ee5010$6bb0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> References: <038701c79f1c$0f033e80$6bb0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <98C93522-9705-49E9-99F1-B1FAB586206D@gmail.com> <4759e5740705251630n6643d58ev3c0df982d3f3af7d@mail.gmail.com> <042001c79f4c$d3ee5010$6bb0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <6855846C-42CB-4390-9D40-933CBD0E0AA7@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: My Conversation to MAX/MSP - Now Includes Looper Date: Sat, 26 May 2007 10:04:43 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70480 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 26 May 2007 08:04:50 +0000 (UTC) On 26 maj 2007, at 06.17, Krispen Hartung wrote: > He will work on rate shift, eventually. However, based on what I > know about what you do in Mobius, I think this could be done with > pitch change (the gizmo~ object). I should maybe clarify that I don't use pitch change at all in Mobius. And not elsewhere either. I'm not really interested in using that function for looping. But I'm very much into Rate Shift because it doesn't simply change the pitch, it also changes the loop length and this makes it more usable as a tool for instant composition. I mean, if you bring down the loop two octaves and overdubs melodies you play as fast as you ever can then your overdub will sound like super busy Mickey Mouse Insects at the correct rate. Doing stuff like that is a lot more fun IMHO, compared to emulating how a musician would play something ;-)) My votes are for priorities on Rate Shift and an easy and fast interface for mapping it to MIDI notes or CC#. But Augustus Loop already does that, so far only by MDI notes though, perfectly. And it's dirt easy to throw in alternate MIDI sequences, as MIDI Clips in Live, to play havoc with Pitch Rate while your working the loop by overdubbing, reversing or changing its length. The only two important functions missing in Augustus, that would make Max an interesting alternative if supported, are Rate Shift by MIDI CC# and some sort of SUSSubstitute/Replace. The drawback with using Live as a plug-in host is if you want to let the looper set the tempo, because then Life doesn't play sync slave in a stable way. This is why had to quit using Live two years ago. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://www.myspace.com/looproom http://www.jamendo.com/en/artist/per.boysen/ http://www.jamendo.com/en/artist/lo.fi.lazer/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 26 08:19:01 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 90E733BEB6; Sat, 26 May 2007 08:19:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Sat, 26 May 2007 04:21:07 -0400 From: Bill Fox Subject: Listen to the AM/FM Show in less than two hours from now To: undisclosed-recipients: ; Message-id: <4657EDF3.8070608@soundscapes.us> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.10 (Windows/20070221) Resent-Message-ID: <6zObAB.A.S0.11-VGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70481 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 26 May 2007 08:19:01 +0000 (UTC) THE AM/FM SHOW ON WMUH: http://soundscapes.us/amfm ======================================================================= My next stint on the AM/FM Show will be in les than two hours from now, Saturday, May 26 at 6:00 am EDT / GMT-4. I will continue the special on E-dition Electronic Music Magazine's sampler CDs. I will also play some music of artists who will be appearing at the electro-music 2007 festival, June 1, 2, and 3 at the Cheltenham Art Center. Tune in to WMUH Allentown at 91.7 FM, broadcasting from the campus of Muhlenberg College. I alternate hosting the show with Bruce. When I am at the helm, the show features electronic, ambient, and spacemusic at the beginning, an eclectic mix of genres in the middle, and winds up with Progressive Rock. WMUH's web site is http://muhlenberg.edu/wmuh Listen on-line to WMUH at http://www.muhlenberg.edu/wmuh and click the REAL AUDIO link or go directly to: rtsp://helix.muhlenberg.edu:554/broadcast/live.rm From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 26 16:56:07 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D7E853BEDC; Sat, 26 May 2007 16:56:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=RjVoRyi/wJb9ed+dAkHw91zJM+eN1XtWTmFMBPup6SLXmkA5BGqGaprRvG2S3oGF1oM40VCJK/l42dzivJvCkigw+rGQYFdnUbixWxnalGrGEIs+okcH+SOKd6mqoTP295KsKQyVxlDBE2qOz1bRnjOa/9AY1F9yxOiJwFwWJDY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=jeiiBLZCSdR1Rwo6/EEohXg39IyU4MZsN0JpaKTzz+4mo7NmPvFdozuUWVMeObvq781LVdZtnOF/AmngybIBEkOqxMGxYAYx8FGtz9I+bpngiykn9PRnx6YkAtZVuH2R9dNv+7twsam+GrxcCP0fMgfdktNT8KMYNAhy6AEN0OA= Message-ID: Date: Sat, 26 May 2007 12:56:05 -0400 From: "Mark Trewella" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: EDP for Sale!!! MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70482 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 26 May 2007 16:56:07 +0000 (UTC) I got two EDP's and really only use one. It is a Gibson Beige model, Loop IV software, full memory and comes with Gibson foot controller and manual. The EDP is in great condition, always kept racked, works perfectly. Will let it go for $585 shipped. Paypal is easiest, USA only. Send me an email if you want to see some pictures. Thanks, Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 26 17:22:06 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 867AD3BEDC; Sat, 26 May 2007 17:22:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=qlMGnBckbHUA52sbkeaNuUHbTn7Lu78TrPTIrIe+iA4ZjjOnlLwfKpzgZMvydAT4GMKTYWXrU+IoTpcA41hKMFsK+1KozGoTFY0xE31z/Ccz2hieWXwehqhT2FAhv3vrfC8ijiguqHtAGM2C2lOLNsqcFPoeZt0CwLwpjJyGUvs= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=ap46JXX7MluiUdwAm1mE/fvYVCMg7xS9+KZZXskuFVzF25u8zRqfjmKb9uWrtscmdH1FetqzwFFMWT9TGSt3cejVL22KohS1bQWWnThj6B/ENd7ubmQ3z46xs5tcln3A6RS+7OlEavRQauR0Om+MdhdZYZeT3dAQZ8BANIWbAn8= Message-ID: Date: Sat, 26 May 2007 19:22:04 +0200 From: "Raul Bonell" To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Subject: OT: nearfield MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70483 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 26 May 2007 17:22:06 +0000 (UTC) hi friends.. i was wondering which model of monitors do you use in your personal studio for mixing the loopage? i've been lurking the web looking for a suitable pair of actives that delivers enough watts and acceptable low end, for monitoring the live impros i do with my bass+guitar+loopage thing. also it would be interesting to use them for mixing the whole thing afterwards. i know some mackies, dynaudios, adams, etc will be superb for this job, but does anybody know of cheaper models, let's say between 400$-600$ (a pair) that would do the trick? thanks teachers! raul. -- The Playing Orchestra: http://www.telefonica.net/web2/tpo Chain Tape Collective: http://www.ct-collective.com TPO at myspace: http://www.myspace.com/theplayingorchestra From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 26 17:46:41 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6FE223BEE0; Sat, 26 May 2007 17:46:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=leTWYoDid7FjNUoKRp60a4oiSQRnLMt06AHr9bO+02s6hKhG90TQgIrHsYCcleUEs/fdEGDUsl/3xWQzolnY1itfETxwKGL1egOXjh1ksC6Ci/oWssuiVvREwEoxN0RIPmCpbGXqbEgxdCxPpzn2pxW3sHreBT3/0CsAKxWkh/o= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=tEuac+EchBvPQHnT0qLqisRWZ7cHG57N0GXsNvl7aWWvA6Cd5KzFy9mKA7QN10cDcO3zIZKGAzoF+UuI6cFg51LSzMLgcR8cs+9Jtxey/HgWMkVSX56ebimcGxD3bNLXDGBvk0roTB6vwfQhADDm+sL2cgsTrEm9noX1ho0hQd4= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: OT: nearfield Date: Sat, 26 May 2007 19:46:35 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70484 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 26 May 2007 17:46:41 +0000 (UTC) On 26 maj 2007, at 19.22, Raul Bonell wrote: > which model of monitors I've been using the Genelec 8030A now for many years and think they are fantastic. I have a sub woofer too but the truth is that i rarely need to boot it up. Although you don't "feel" the deepest base, down at arond 59 Hz, on the 8030's you definitely hear it. My neighbors are of course happy that I didn't have to use my sub since I got the 8030's ;-) They are sturdy as well and can be moved in a suitcase. I've even used them together with as an intimate live PA once at a very small live-looping gig, but that was a bit too weak even though it worked. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://www.myspace.com/looproom http://www.jamendo.com/en/artist/per.boysen/ http://www.jamendo.com/en/artist/lo.fi.lazer/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 26 17:49:11 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5ECC13BEDC; Sat, 26 May 2007 17:49:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=x/Q9nSwenQo7YpLaTVlAktryla2CpdDw03wpWKIo52GPTWZKLErWhhhvzguKI9zXBNgoeFH/LXrHkUF24o6FTe2ztem0GGp9JvTepE77+gm5pGQhbtepblkYtUT6PJULpPrzaR0OPiLK035fdeX9JB3B35mHXJxr0jA++pTRIxI=; X-YMail-OSG: wBKzmg8VM1nb8zcfqIWdpHHnzb8L9TilwLas7p0GM08hjzGaOtsBzi50vrxoqAKpdSBpVwBho9ce.AdgooYH5PvG_RGwCzxjPxJLSkvXYoCgX9.__dg- Date: Sat, 26 May 2007 10:49:09 -0700 (PDT) From: bill bigrig Subject: Re: The Search for the Perfect Home Recording Amplifier Saga / jamman + FX loop problem To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <490b95e4daad95276f65937c82a1fc5e@mac.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <887624.98851.qm@web32706.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70485 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 26 May 2007 17:49:11 +0000 (UTC) Howdy. Yes, A Pignose. Built in filter by opening and closig the case. Rig --- Paul Mimlitsch wrote: > http://www.traynoramps.com/products.asp?id=251&cat=63&type=3 > > (Recommend re - tubing with "Eurotubes" for smoother > overdrive.) > > On May 25, 2007, at 4:39 AM, Ben wrote: > > > "Does anyone have any suggestions for a reasonably > priced amp? " > ____________________________________________________________________________________Shape Yahoo! in your own image. Join our Network Research Panel today! http://surveylink.yahoo.com/gmrs/yahoo_panel_invite.asp?a=7 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 26 17:58:27 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1E65E3BEE4; Sat, 26 May 2007 17:58:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Authenticated: #1228034 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1/qsTxuHw7qmbD2TXNvPRrg7n5EVuCxnR7kbB25lk 5p009bCqCOzAun Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <0066C0A1-0507-47C5-92FC-FEE669B626C1@gmail.com> References: <0066C0A1-0507-47C5-92FC-FEE669B626C1@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: nico spahni Subject: Re: ot: minimal ambient video Date: Sat, 26 May 2007 19:58:37 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 Resent-Message-ID: <31YPYD.A.89C.CVHWGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70486 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 26 May 2007 17:58:27 +0000 (UTC) I like your thumb piano piece and the accompanying video a lot. I also watched your other videos on youtube. A very original approach to playing a traditional instrument! How do you pick up the signal? In the faux fur video there seems to be some kind of built-in pick-up. Best regards from Switzerland Nico www.recpro.ch www.myspace.com/nicospahni Am 24.05.2007 um 17:32 schrieb RP Collier: > > > Another new minimal ambient thumb piano video: > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l-UUdsGPVas > > Actually sort of on topic, the track is looped in Ableton and uses the > Pluggo "Frequency Shift" vst. > I had mainly been using the camera mic in recent videos but in this > case the recording was done with the Zoom H4 using the limiter > function. > > > regards > > > BobC > > http://tinyurl.com/yt8f8j > http://tinyurl.com/cr25j > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 26 18:06:39 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 49F2F3BEF1; Sat, 26 May 2007 18:06:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-47-32129790 Message-Id: From: Ronan Chris Murphy Subject: Re: OT: nearfield Date: Sat, 26 May 2007 18:06:32 +0000 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70487 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 26 May 2007 18:06:39 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-47-32129790 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed One of the amazing deals in monitors are used Event 20/20bas. They are active, go down to about 42Hz, and are very cool to mix on. I have probably mixed a hundred records on mine, and I have buddies that have mixed several platinum albums on theirs. The best part is that in the US, you can find them used for about $300/pair. Ronan Chris Murphy www.venetowest.com (Production & mixing: King Crimson, Chucho Valdes, Steve Morse, Terry Bozzio, CGT...) www.homerecordingbootcamp.com (Workshops around the world teaching the art and craft of recording ) www.livesofthesaints.net (The hottest ambient noise duo since Sonny & Cher) > --Apple-Mail-47-32129790 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII

One of the amazing deals in = monitors are used Event 20/20bas. They are active, go down to about = 42Hz, and are very cool to mix on. I have probably mixed a hundred = records on mine, and I have buddies that have mixed several platinum = albums on theirs. The best part is that in the US, you can find them = used for about $300/pair.


Ronan Chris Murphy

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= --Apple-Mail-47-32129790-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 26 18:08:17 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0F1D53BEEA; Sat, 26 May 2007 18:08:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1-32221384 Message-Id: <21142504f3ca761e323d84d77029a446@glasswing.com> From: Richard Sales Subject: Re: OT: nearfield Date: Sat, 26 May 2007 11:08:04 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70488 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 26 May 2007 18:08:16 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-1-32221384 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed I heard Adam just came out with an affordable small system. Haven't used Adams, but I've heard from very good sources they're the sweetest & most accurate. I use Quested speaks and sub. Real nice. I'd DEFINITELY check out the new Adams. Monitors, as you probably know, are possibly the most important piece in your setup. richard sales glassWing farm and studio vancouver island, b.c. 800.545.6846 250.752.4816 www.glassWing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com On 26-May-07, at 10:46 AM, Per Boysen wrote: > On 26 maj 2007, at 19.22, Raul Bonell wrote: > >> which model of monitors > > > I've been using the Genelec 8030A now for many years and think they > are fantastic. I have a sub woofer too but the truth is that i rarely > need to boot it up. Although you don't "feel" the deepest base, down > at arond 59 Hz, on the 8030's you definitely hear it. My neighbors are > of course happy that I didn't have to use my sub since I got the > 8030's ;-) They are sturdy as well and can be moved in a suitcase. > I've even used them together with as an intimate live PA once at a > very small live-looping gig, but that was a bit too weak even though > it worked. > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > www.looproom.com (international) > http://www.myspace.com/looproom > http://www.jamendo.com/en/artist/per.boysen/ > http://www.jamendo.com/en/artist/lo.fi.lazer/ > > --Apple-Mail-1-32221384 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=US-ASCII I heard Adam just came out with an affordable small system. Haven't used Adams, but I've heard from very good sources they're the sweetest & most accurate. I use Quested speaks and sub. Real nice. I'd DEFINITELY check out the new Adams. Monitors, as you probably know, are possibly the most important piece in your setup. Gadgetrichard sales 7373,7F7F,C5C5glassWing farm and studio vancouver island, b.c. 800.545.6846 250.752.4816C3C3,9696,1C1C www.glassWing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com On 26-May-07, at 10:46 AM, Per Boysen wrote: On 26 maj 2007, at 19.22, Raul Bonell wrote: which model of monitors I've been using the Genelec 8030A now for many years and think they are fantastic. I have a sub woofer too but the truth is that i rarely need to boot it up. Although you don't "feel" the deepest base, down at arond 59 Hz, on the 8030's you definitely hear it. My neighbors are of course happy that I didn't have to use my sub since I got the 8030's ;-) They are sturdy as well and can be moved in a suitcase. I've even used them together with as an intimate live PA once at a very small live-looping gig, but that was a bit too weak even though it worked. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://www.myspace.com/looproom http://www.jamendo.com/en/artist/per.boysen/ http://www.jamendo.com/en/artist/lo.fi.lazer/ --Apple-Mail-1-32221384-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 26 18:12:59 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 09FD53BEF4; Sat, 26 May 2007 18:12:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=GXc9v8kGbzexCjXMgUycCD3Hv4fpRy3pHoCOWdnC2pqwGAlBtKgeiEKmGM4IS0NE4+6ZwS3BtVjS3cXeKCdvQR5nHBkxcUH7BSM0xal0ucfUm+EUHHhStY8853TkWoF9hvrA7diTVo8h4Ks2ZXE07Se7svGVeTRcRfC8wm5OGyM=; X-YMail-OSG: Y4kgeioVM1kGJIXCFrx17v1hi.D3x9ZS4Uj7jjtiygJMrWFFBEbowwjnLwxYM1gwkBK8p8YmxLZ4OREhyKWZ1jid0IHk33_qr5oR5_KyRe3aQbzbJjQp03osm7b3Ug-- Date: Sat, 26 May 2007 11:12:55 -0700 (PDT) From: bill bigrig Subject: Re: OT: The Search for the Perfect Home Recording Amplifier Saga To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <291001.51274.qm@web35115.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <843860.29091.qm@web32708.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70489 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 26 May 2007 18:12:58 +0000 (UTC) Howdy, If you really like the sound of the black face amps, you can buy asiver face amp and with some capacitor and resisyor rewirig, recreate the black face sound. it's all laid out in "The tube amp book' By Aspen Pitman. It also has schematids for LOTS of amps, and a comparison guide of most of the amps out There. You could possibly buy a low cost amp and with tis book, modify it to suit your taste. Rig --- Paul Richards wrote: > Hi, all: > > Arrgggg....my latest amp choice (Vox AD60VTX) > didn't pan out as well as I liked hence I sold it am > again in the market for a home recording amp. I had > difficulty getting a consistant decent tone out of > the Vox (I'm partial to Black-faced sounding > Fenders, a little (or lot of when needed) grit but a > clean sound too). > > Another sidebar, I bought a used Line6 Pro Pod > that I'd like to use and running that into a > modelling amp didn't seem like a good choice as it > was a little problematic to get an undiluted tone > with the Vox - although it did have a manual mode. > > I was thinking about getting some small tube amp > and then using the Pro Pod and other outboard > effects. I've really been disappointed with the > onboard effects of most of the amps I had recently. > Something in the line of a fender Pro Junior looks > suitable BUT it appeared like it didn't have a line > out for recording and looping purposes. The fender > Princton recording Amp looks attractive and I may > have to pop for the $1K but I'd like to keep the > price lower if at all possible. > > Does anyone have any suggestions for a reasonably > priced amp? > > Regards, Paul > > > --------------------------------- > Get your own web address. > Have a HUGE year through Yahoo! Small Business. ____________________________________________________________________________________ No need to miss a message. Get email on-the-go with Yahoo! Mail for Mobile. Get started. http://mobile.yahoo.com/mail From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 26 18:31:36 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6394F3BEDC; Sat, 26 May 2007 18:31:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=hri//kfU+WuogTF7NSKGklB3Chks31EX/SqL/tNLNIBigq+oChs2cnSqQAJQS7Uw6HyRkeoUQnrSacKDJZ/8BOgPJWYmVCWeZyYWq5PoMgABcDAAygmDxMOFWuB8nJKVDpfVWNISVGMWkortJ8IcSfyrOLG1hE2oLNF4cQw7fGU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=aMZkKmeqagnEl8UTozaDXSYgS9YkHVQAeAMzvAjXsz0BmNyXz6pZ6WgTSrEYgZNDZqIBUgE2Vt9vZojpC1BbhU5WIKb6kVI0UJXzsjERHAXB1HaR3Z/CziFHIZSea1eS0QukblZ9xUhbs7xaCaT/gMS1VrCnQx9gytk4bX2Hd9g= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: References: <0066C0A1-0507-47C5-92FC-FEE669B626C1@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <7BF2E8FD-DE1E-47EB-A5D0-815BD3DB8A94@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: RP Collier Subject: Re: ot: minimal ambient video Date: Sat, 26 May 2007 11:31:29 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70490 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 26 May 2007 18:31:36 +0000 (UTC) On May 26, 2007, at 10:58 AM, nico spahni wrote: > A very original approach to playing a traditional instrument! How > do you pick up the signal? In the faux fur video there seems to be > some kind of built-in pick-up. Hi Nico I use a small piezo transducer permanently mounted on the inside of most of the thumb pianos. I got the plain piezo wafer disks at an industrial supply liquidators, then I solder on lead wires and a jack either 1/8" or 1/4" depending upon the size of the instrument. For those interested, there is a source for flexible piezo film at: http://www.windworld.com in the catalog section I think. Also for a quick and dirty alternative, the Signal Flex SF20 guitar tuner pickup works pretty well as a temporary mount piezo, I've even used rubber bands to hold it in place. The sound in the faux fur piece was picked up off a Peavey amp speaker by the mic in the digital camera, so it is a bit crappy but decent enough considering it is just a low end point and shoot digital. Thanks for having a look. regards BobC http://tinyurl.com/yt8f8j http://tinyurl.com/cr25j http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YduG4pEej0o http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xnuChpEHrGc From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 26 18:33:27 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6F4A83BEEA; Sat, 26 May 2007 18:33:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=kj8Z0ufLLbuwiCFDWmfz213oOx5sE8njuisW5qvpyoqLTrpAlKT1QHjCtDDOR1YfAL+OY5UEUARbtr78YICSg+Y3gkWhekcMTQonBOPdt35kG5KU4StGNGyKS4K3OU59JBUJfG0yKmzbDHjuWeDBZ12lwkAo8P1XXTaHCivNRVw=; X-YMail-OSG: kQ4rsPoVM1mZ1Pl2wwdMLPBfvLZ4aSgFnub51HlvgbtKOsZk1iJI_zV5.05Vl4SH0P.XBC0hSJza2N9QAwDW3bbSO7tkzW9z3OZTkDensmXa4ywwi.I- Date: Sat, 26 May 2007 11:33:25 -0700 (PDT) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: USB Microphones To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <524218.12093.qm@web38609.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70491 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 26 May 2007 18:33:27 +0000 (UTC) Gang, has anybody tried these USB mics? how do they differ in terms of quality from normal XLRs? ive been checking these out http://www.thomann.de/gb/the_tbone_sc450_usb.htm thanx for your input Luis --- Doug Cox wrote: > I think this is similar to what Per is saying, but > I'd encourage you to > learn how to "restart" your loops on the RC-50 and > try that with your > drummer. So, if a loop starts to drift from where > the drummer's beat is - > *you* force a restart of the loop exactly on the > "1". If he's reasonably > tight (sounds like he is), then he won't have > drifted too far from the tempo > caught in your loop, and everything will be good > again for a while. > > This is the way I finally learned to integrate > looping into a live band > situation. Works beautifully once everyone knows > that those are the rules > of the game. Drummer doesn't have to strain to > hear/adjust to your loops - > his job is just to stay steady in the groove. > > Also, restarting on something other than the "1" > (for instance, on the 3.5!) > can produce some nice syncopation. > > Doug > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom ____________________________________________________________________________________Looking for a deal? Find great prices on flights and hotels with Yahoo! FareChase. http://farechase.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 26 20:07:36 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1FD493BEDE; Sat, 26 May 2007 20:07:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Qua Veda" To: Subject: RE: ot: minimal ambient video Date: Sat, 26 May 2007 13:07:18 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 In-Reply-To: <7BF2E8FD-DE1E-47EB-A5D0-815BD3DB8A94@gmail.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Thread-Index: AcefxNIPSCqERsHwS6697lN2w3s5gAADB0JA Message-Id: <200705261312109.SM03232@quahome> X-RBL-Warning: REVDNS: This E-mail was sent from a MUA/MTA 206.212.233.27 with no reverse DNS entry. X-Declude-Sender: qua@oregon.com [206.212.233.27] X-Declude-Spoolname: D94b004ec000009d9.smd X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude JunkMail (www.declude.com) for spam. Resent-Message-ID: <2kwPC.A.zp.HOJWGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70492 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 26 May 2007 20:07:36 +0000 (UTC) Bob! I love 'Leafie', and totally agree with Bill's comments at your youtube site. For Leafie, did you apply the video FX post production ? Great work! -Qua -----Original Message----- From: RP Collier [mailto:skeptikalist@gmail.com] Sent: Saturday, May 26, 2007 11:31 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: ot: minimal ambient video On May 26, 2007, at 10:58 AM, nico spahni wrote: > A very original approach to playing a traditional instrument! How do > you pick up the signal? In the faux fur video there seems to be some > kind of built-in pick-up. Hi Nico I use a small piezo transducer permanently mounted on the inside of most of the thumb pianos. I got the plain piezo wafer disks at an industrial supply liquidators, then I solder on lead wires and a jack either 1/8" or 1/4" depending upon the size of the instrument. For those interested, there is a source for flexible piezo film at: http://www.windworld.com in the catalog section I think. Also for a quick and dirty alternative, the Signal Flex SF20 guitar tuner pickup works pretty well as a temporary mount piezo, I've even used rubber bands to hold it in place. The sound in the faux fur piece was picked up off a Peavey amp speaker by the mic in the digital camera, so it is a bit crappy but decent enough considering it is just a low end point and shoot digital. Thanks for having a look. regards BobC http://tinyurl.com/yt8f8j http://tinyurl.com/cr25j http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YduG4pEej0o http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xnuChpEHrGc From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 26 21:08:49 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 29B353BED3; Sat, 26 May 2007 21:08:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=TP3arqOytoBHmKuVlCCQnCt4VdaJYq0MKnBD+7hxEOf9MjY3R/efgF0K1z7DA5HHE9DJCq57MunwN8iqO6bUwRZy82RDOx218NcUjDA7Z+tGBjteK3pa7wfRgR3AIwZ5qVE5llp2BU3O8v/i4QYOsP9+D5WDKEpHxeBB5ZF+efg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=XkmaB/EDhzEKbIqC7jeohxyfa88nw8Z8LbAWUtSxPDf3lHlio75ZlzLhZflO/9HM54TO+ItptCkCwWw2z+BJmAIXX1p/9bgao9cuL6Xs09aafG2Qqvk02ofKE0x3nt8PacSrWsC+wuYAO4jjZxjKA6QP/taAH/UtIGsypd7GJNo= Message-ID: Date: Sat, 26 May 2007 23:08:46 +0200 From: "krughanh henderson" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: MAKER FAIRE: Loop.pooL/Kid Beyond In-Reply-To: <00b401c79746$1237cc20$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <00b401c79746$1237cc20$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70493 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 26 May 2007 21:08:49 +0000 (UTC) On 5/16/07, RICK WALKER wrote: > The extremely creative MAKER FAIRE is this weekend > http://www.makerfaire.com/ at the San Mateo Fairgrounds > just south of San Francisco (north of the Silicon Valley). > > Amongst many other things, two live loopers will be part of the > musical presentations at this very unusual and stimulating festival. > > I, |LOOP.POOL will be performing on the MAIN outdoor STAGE on Sunday > afternoon at 3 p.m. > followed, immediately by the fabulous acapella 'band in a box' looper KID > BEYOND who's > set begins at 4:15. > > If you haven't seen him, Kid Beyond is a fantastic performer creating > an > entire dance concert with just his voice as a source for sound. He has > seemless integration > of Ableton's LIVE using midi footpedals and a microphone (he never even > touches his > laptop in his performances). He's really inspiring and I can't more > highly recommend seeing > his show. > > The MAKER FAIRE is MAKE magazines annual festival that showcases unusual and > creative > inventions. > > You can think of it as the Burning Man for Geek Tinkerers or Hot Nerd on > Nerd Action!!!! > > I jest, but in reality, this festival is really exciting................from > people making groundbreaking invetnions > in ecological lifestyles to people who invent strange musical devices, I've > never seen so much creativity > in a small space in my life. > > It is an ideal summer festival atmosphere for all ages. I hope you can make > it on Saturday and Sunday. > If you read this hear, please come up and say hello to me after I've cleared > my stage for Kid Beyonds > performance. > > Rick Walker > aka loop.pool > www.youttube.com/looppool/ > www.looppool.info > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 26 23:12:26 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2C7203BEDD; Sat, 26 May 2007 23:12:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=SHnBRD7HKgpJ+yhEp76S/KemaqvDnIHlOe/BLfpcZjnO1IhszFL8VlHdX786Y/ZksDJBVx2vmsy0fi3/fmRReq/vyU45wRBgRrythURXUU4prAJrVCbs8F8SEPk9NqEzGHWrZKUq+5gY8HOzgaNAgFmBaKU/Sm4MG5Sb39ZVf8k= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=bAFPE42owBpiywvl5kQyMBjAgrBlcHvjNESyTPryKevY7v8l46nEu4C0wUofh0m5k7kwfyKFoGihwMOpmmVTwbnRQ+WJMtQqAiA2njsMiM4mKSNtWl7vnjahjzCqtcqmFE92LBeyAn8vrh3UylfyyE4AjQxI3IF1uwWRVdYLhVw= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <200705261312109.SM03232@quahome> References: <200705261312109.SM03232@quahome> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <3967DC94-2E82-4AF5-9EAC-7D6543DC55D7@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: RP Collier Subject: Re: ot: minimal ambient video Date: Sat, 26 May 2007 16:12:18 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70494 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 26 May 2007 23:12:26 +0000 (UTC) On May 26, 2007, at 1:07 PM, Qua Veda wrote: > For Leafie, did you apply the video FX post production ? I transfer the file from the camera into iMovieHD where I can do the titles etc. There is a small menu of basic effects. In Leafie, I used one effect called "old black and white" and then transitioned into another effect called "color television". Thanks for taking a peek! :-) cheers BobC http://tinyurl.com/yt8f8j http://tinyurl.com/cr25j http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YduG4pEej0o http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xnuChpEHrGc From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 27 03:51:05 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A0E3B3BEB8; Sun, 27 May 2007 03:51:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=PK2tMtI9Fte+n+q5zcq+6vQugb2xGHNVwWupIcvM2E7aIB/ZOERJQpCpxm35GGVdSDrnaihRFQBF9oHsg5JHtTxoLDVKodJUbxO4FGPDei7QIF0ck8071vaTJNdgAmHvmqVOw1IfG9mX76mi+kDB8e8ErQbpkk0IxiRpB3Ly+zA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=HkKT3pVc9PbcRhkv/lhGKmVHAg7jOM2vfJNzwRuXkKojD3BI7se3OpM5ACKCWbvHCxUHjIC8wyk0tiFu1uuqyHqbJqfmyDcRiBgEKzVMC7H4ylvVJ3ukWPbNPLoCT+BG3EWn8xy01QDBPGA4FnFVuk1YgwCxPi4s179BChttCNg= Message-ID: Date: Sun, 27 May 2007 05:51:02 +0200 From: "Raul Bonell" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: nearfield In-Reply-To: <21142504f3ca761e323d84d77029a446@glasswing.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <21142504f3ca761e323d84d77029a446@glasswing.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70495 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 27 May 2007 03:51:05 +0000 (UTC) hi there... Ufff!.. those models you're talking are a bit out of my price range. a single genelec costs what i expect to waste for both ;-) poor man here! tricky to find those used events here in spain. what about their cheapest models: the TR and the ultracheap ALP? can't find in the adam website (www.adam-audio.com) any info on low cost nearfields. the cheapest active is the A7, but its price, although cheaper than the genelec, stills being too much for a tramp like me... he,he is somebody using some of these bargain nears: Tascam VL-X5, Yamaha HS50M, ESI near05, Alesis M1 MK2, Roland DS-5, KRK RP5,Samson Resolv, M-Audio BXA,Tapco S5, Fostex PM MKII, Event ALP 5, Prodipe Pro 5, Samson Rubicon, Tannoy Reveal 5A, thanks a lot! raul. 2007/5/26, Richard Sales : > I heard Adam just came out with an affordable small system. Haven't > used Adams, but I've heard from very good sources they're the sweetest > & most accurate. I use Quested speaks and sub. Real nice. > > I'd DEFINITELY check out the new Adams. Monitors, as you probably > know, are possibly the most important piece in your setup. > > richard sales > glassWing farm and studio > vancouver island, b.c. > 800.545.6846 > 250.752.4816 > www.glassWing.com > www.richardsales.com > www.hayleysales.com > www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com > On 26-May-07, at 10:46 AM, Per Boysen wrote: > > > On 26 maj 2007, at 19.22, Raul Bonell wrote: > > > >> which model of monitors > > > > > > I've been using the Genelec 8030A now for many years and think they > > are fantastic. I have a sub woofer too but the truth is that i rarely > > need to boot it up. Although you don't "feel" the deepest base, down > > at arond 59 Hz, on the 8030's you definitely hear it. My neighbors are > > of course happy that I didn't have to use my sub since I got the > > 8030's ;-) They are sturdy as well and can be moved in a suitcase. > > I've even used them together with as an intimate live PA once at a > > very small live-looping gig, but that was a bit too weak even though > > it worked. > > > > Greetings from Sweden > > > > Per Boysen > > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > > www.looproom.com (international) > > http://www.myspace.com/looproom > > http://www.jamendo.com/en/artist/per.boysen/ > > http://www.jamendo.com/en/artist/lo.fi.lazer/ > > > > > -- The Playing Orchestra: http://www.telefonica.net/web2/tpo Chain Tape Collective: http://www.ct-collective.com TPO at myspace: http://www.myspace.com/theplayingorchestra From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 27 04:17:07 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EB0CA3BEB3; Sun, 27 May 2007 04:17:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Originating-IP: [207.90.215.123] X-Identified-User: {864:box76.bluehost.com:kevinkis:kevinkissinger.com} {sentby:webmail from 207.90.215.123} Message-ID: <20070526231704.5e3q9sz4lc0gko40@69.89.21.76> Date: Sat, 26 May 2007 23:17:04 -0500 From: kkissinger@kevinkissinger.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, Raul Bonell Subject: Re: OT: nearfield References: <21142504f3ca761e323d84d77029a446@glasswing.com> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.3) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70496 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 27 May 2007 04:17:06 +0000 (UTC) Quoting Raul Bonell : > hi there... > > Ufff!.. those models you're talking are a bit out of my price range. Before I acquired my Mackie nearfield monitors, I used AKG K240DF headphones for critical mixing and I found that the mixes done on them translated well to other systems. They do require a relatively strong amp to drive them... the headphone outputs on mixers, such as the Mackie mixers, have plenty of power for them. A good pair of headphones comes in handy anyway, and I wouldn't part with them. The K240DFs are a little pricey, to be sure, however not nearly as expensive as near field monitors. While you are saving up money and searching for a nice pair of near field monitors, the K240DF provides a means to make accurate mixes in the meantime. -- Kevin From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 27 06:47:07 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2BF393BEC7; Sun, 27 May 2007 06:47:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Sun, 27 May 2007 07:47:03 +0100 From: Bart Lyons Subject: Help Please To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <7.0.1.0.2.20070527074419.03cd4e78@belfast.oilfield.slb.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_suwW2Me5rpvqQ9VOgtORkA)" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70497 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 27 May 2007 06:47:07 +0000 (UTC) --Boundary_(ID_suwW2Me5rpvqQ9VOgtORkA) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Good morning, I recently purchased a used Gibson Echoplex Pro Plus and Gibson Echoplex Pro (the older unit upgraded to Loop 4 198 second). The reason for two was I wanted to run a stereo rig. The pro plus came first and it sounded great connected through the AUX on my Mackie Mixer. The second, purchased from Bristish Audio in the US arrived a few days ago. So following the manual I proceeded to set-up the two units to operate in stereo mode. Everything good so far the two units are in perfect sync via the brother and midi connections. But disaster strikes there is really bad digital type crackling noise on loop playback. I've checked all the input levels, used the shortest leads even tried changing which unit acts as the master/slave. I can isolate that it to the older unit but it works perfectly on it's own i.e. not in stereo mode. I've checked the Loopers Delight Q&A and cannot find any reference to something like this can you please help as I don't know what to do. Thanks & regards - BART --Boundary_(ID_suwW2Me5rpvqQ9VOgtORkA) Content-type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Good morning, I recently purchased a used Gibson Echoplex Pro Plus and Gibson Echoplex Pro (the older unit upgraded to Loop 4 198 second). The reason for two was I wanted to run a stereo rig. The pro plus came first and it sounded great connected through the AUX on my Mackie Mixer. The second, purchased from Bristish Audio in the US arrived a few days ago. So following the manual I proceeded to set-up the two units to operate in stereo mode. Everything good so far the two units are in perfect sync via the brother and midi connections. But disaster strikes there is really bad digital type crackling noise on loop playback. I've checked all the input levels, used the shortest leads even tried changing which unit acts as the master/slave. I can isolate that it to the older unit but it works perfectly on it's own i.e. not in stereo mode. I've checked the Loopers Delight Q&A and cannot find any reference to something like this can you please help as I don't know what to do.

Thanks & regards - BART
--Boundary_(ID_suwW2Me5rpvqQ9VOgtORkA)-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 27 14:43:37 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CD3153BECF; Sun, 27 May 2007 14:43:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: AW: OT: nearfield Date: Sun, 27 May 2007 16:43:51 +0200 Organization: Moinlabs Message-ID: <000301c7a06d$718a7fd0$1001a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Thread-Index: AcegEkDHems/czu7RvG5nvaQD1ulEAAWwH3A In-Reply-To: X-RZG-AUTH: lUESeo99iNzPL8kuBgLYdKEqUywq9cxqeRA+BtFcSCD5deQ7OId/9POlrWg= X-RZG-CLASS-ID: mo07 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70498 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 27 May 2007 14:43:37 +0000 (UTC) People keep telling me that these are a great bang for the buck: http://www.thomann.de/gb/behringer_b2031a_truth_aktivmonitor.htm Haven't tried them myself, though. There is also a sub available which works with these. Rainer (Dynaudio BM5A) > Ufff!.. those models you're talking are a bit out of my price range. > > a single genelec costs what i expect to waste for both ;-) > poor man here! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 27 15:13:36 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 83D673BEC7; Sun, 27 May 2007 15:13:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <000301c7a06d$718a7fd0$1001a8c0@succubus> References: <000301c7a06d$718a7fd0$1001a8c0@succubus> Date: Sun, 27 May 2007 15:13:29 +0000 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Mech Subject: Re: AW: OT: nearfield Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70499 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 27 May 2007 15:13:36 +0000 (UTC) At 4:43 PM +0200 5/27/07, Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill wrote: >People keep telling me that these are a great bang for the buck: >http://www.thomann.de/gb/behringer_b2031a_truth_aktivmonitor.htm I've got a pair of these, and can recommend them with a major caveat: these are near-fields that come much closer to the "technical tool" paradigm. They're best for pointing out flaws and imperfections in the mix, but they don't automatically make my mixes "sound good" (that's my car stereo's job). That's the main reason I like them, since I'm looking for a surgical tool rather than an entertainment device. At the same time it's not impossible to get a good mix on them; it just takes work. In that respect, I'd say they're most like the old NS-10's. Conversely, if you're just going to be using them for "jamming" and sketching out ideas, you might not find them to be the most inspiring monitors out there. As I said, they're a no-frills tool, and not a sound enhancing device (which, I think, is probably why some people give them bad reviews). >There is also a sub available which works with these. I got a deal on one of these too. While it does do a good job a adding into the low spectrum, I don't find myself turning it on that much. I can usually get a pretty accurate mix without having to resort to the sub, but it is good to have in case there are some problem frequencies sneaking into the lowest low end. Also, it's the *heaviest* sub I have ever used -- literally. Damn thing is at least 80 pounds, it feels like. 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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 27 21:23:23 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 674413BED8; Sun, 27 May 2007 21:23:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at cavesofice.org Date: Sun, 27 May 2007 17:23:25 -0400 (EDT) From: burnett@pobox.com X-X-Sender: badger@giggles.cavesofice.org To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: USB Microphones In-Reply-To: <524218.12093.qm@web38609.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: References: <524218.12093.qm@web38609.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70500 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 27 May 2007 21:23:23 +0000 (UTC) On Sat, 26 May 2007, L.A. Angulo wrote: > Gang, > has anybody tried these USB mics? how do they differ > in terms of quality from normal XLRs? > ive been checking these out > http://www.thomann.de/gb/the_tbone_sc450_usb.htm > thanx for your input > Luis Luis: I've not seen this Thomann USB mic you link to, and I can find very little about it on the Web. I have and use a BLUE Snowball USB mic, mostly for phonography purposes. Here's some collected recordings I've made with the Snowball of ambient weather in three cases, and of a running refrigerator compressor motor (by request of someone either on this list or the ct-collective list, I can't remember at the moment). http://www.subscapeanne.com/other/snowfall_at_imbolc.mp3 http://www.subscapeanne.com/other/bog_night_wind_1.mp3 http://www.subscapeanne.com/other/ambient_postrain.mp3 http://www.subscapeanne.com/other/fridgemp3.mp3 These would be more useful if I'd been recording with another rig simultaneously for comparison, but this is what I've got to share today. best, Steve B Subscape Annex http://www.subscapeannex.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 27 21:47:02 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5E0FF3BED3; Sun, 27 May 2007 21:47:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Sun, 27 May 2007 17:49:03 -0400 From: Bill Fox Subject: Re: Electro music festival In-reply-to: <17849097.1179780418713.JavaMail.root@m11> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <4659FCCF.8040008@soundscapes.us> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit References: <17849097.1179780418713.JavaMail.root@m11> User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.10 (Windows/20070221) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70501 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 27 May 2007 21:47:02 +0000 (UTC) samba - wrote: > This looks really cool.It would be wonderful if you could post stuff > from > this festival at the time when they are accepting applications form > performers. With each iteration, the organizers improve their processes. I will pass this along to Greg and Howard. They like this kind of feedback. In the past, you had be be a member of the http://electro-music.com forum in order to be notified. But with feedback like this, that may change. Still, I highly recommend joining the forum if you wish to keep up on the electro-music community's goings-on. Cheers, Bill From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 27 23:57:32 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 480303BED8; Sun, 27 May 2007 23:57:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Paul Mimlitsch Subject: repeater looped vocals Date: Sun, 27 May 2007 17:57:27 -0600 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) X-Brightmail-scanned: yes Resent-Message-ID: <6piJ.A.QLF.rrhWGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70502 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 27 May 2007 23:57:32 +0000 (UTC) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pSIbfzK2spg From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 28 02:26:37 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 949643BED8; Mon, 28 May 2007 02:26:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Sun, 27 May 2007 22:28:42 -0400 From: Bill Fox Subject: [Fwd: Re: Electro music festival] To: Loopers Delight Mailing List Message-id: <465A3E5A.3050809@soundscapes.us> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary=------------060709070103020202010407 User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.10 (Windows/20070221) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70503 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 28 May 2007 02:26:37 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------060709070103020202010407 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Samba, Greg reminded me that he had me forward the call for participation right at the get go. Perhaps you saw it and it didn't register in your mind as something important to you or perhaps you weren't yet a member of Loopers Delight? I see from my Sent folder that I forwarded the call on 15 January 2007. Attached for your convenience. Cheers, Bill -------- Original Message -------- Hi Bill You never had to be a member of electro-music to get the notices. We always sent them to all the lists we knew about. In fact, you forwarded them to loopers delight for me the last two years. That was back in January. -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: Bill Fox > samba - wrote: > > This looks really cool.It would be wonderful if you could post stuff > > from > > this festival at the time when they are accepting applications form > > performers. > With each iteration, the organizers improve their processes. I will > pass this along to Greg and Howard. They like this kind of feedback. > In the past, you had be be a member of the http://electro-music.com > forum in order to be notified. But with feedback like this, that may > change. Still, I highly recommend joining the forum if you wish to keep > up on the electro-music community's goings-on. > > Cheers, > > Bill --------------060709070103020202010407 Content-Type: message/rfc822; name="Attached Message" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline; filename="Attached Message" --------------060709070103020202010407-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 28 03:14:27 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 100F63BED0; Mon, 28 May 2007 03:14:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Qua Veda" To: Subject: RE: repeater looped vocals Date: Sun, 27 May 2007 20:14:11 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Thread-Index: Acegu4VayXfJQjHWSsSIHf64toz5VQAGqlUA Message-Id: <200705272019625.SM07984@quahome> X-RBL-Warning: REVDNS: This E-mail was sent from a MUA/MTA 206.212.233.27 with no reverse DNS entry. X-Declude-Sender: qua@oregon.com [206.212.233.27] X-Declude-Spoolname: D4a3d07620000749f.smd X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude JunkMail (www.declude.com) for spam. Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70504 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 28 May 2007 03:14:26 +0000 (UTC) Thank You ! I love this song, but have never seen a video of her performance - yikes! -----Original Message----- From: Paul Mimlitsch [mailto:pmimlitsch@mac.com] Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2007 4:57 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: repeater looped vocals http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pSIbfzK2spg From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 28 08:32:34 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DACDA3BEDD; Mon, 28 May 2007 08:32:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=MDPdipnMCK/5Keu92zSQHGjihS69lW4/6kl+5rVTNgEzAXeRirtx4KY7got+8sTGQaEx81zZcyPsk0X43rtgueQZSsuOwBx5sv0e9WH1bMn+DMNbEfca0wL4478btd4r0V8o8+Wc8pPVvtxslKo3K7njwh3B1/W7EsZXXF/6Ewg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=U6vQcXWi+/SA6qE0Z9sIrOpJURgkTJhm62okxxI4gnljTpBZhrfU4I4Ul+bkYXmVpE59+oMujimjEq66RS5tAnFgFkCyYttsKDtEOXgVR87BD0GYmetMgT/cw9UDYios5ry+7Oa3/f+P/1uMg8wevcn0Hk+C5ZglMi2SKYZQS5w= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: References: <524218.12093.qm@web38609.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <8F3A5ACC-8807-4129-A264-4D3DA39C9476@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: USB Microphones Date: Mon, 28 May 2007 10:32:28 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70505 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 28 May 2007 08:32:34 +0000 (UTC) On Sat, 26 May 2007, L.A. Angulo wrote: > Gang, > has anybody tried these USB mics? how do they differ > in terms of quality from normal XLRs? > ive been checking these out > http://www.thomann.de/gb/the_tbone_sc450_usb.htm > thanx for your input > Luis No, I have not tried USB mics. Knowing that USB is not precisely the best protocol for an audio interface I see no sense in manufacturing a mic based on USB. Talk about minimizing the creative options! If you for some reason want to buy one, be sure to test it well first. If it works for what you want to do it's fine. I have owned or simply tested four or five USB audio interfaces and they all sucked in some way. The only one that actually worked was a Digidesign M-Box 2 Mini and it only worked with ProTools LE. With all other software the audio stream was ruined by noise artifacts when going fully duplex. My definition of "working" is that the audio should sound as clean as originally in the air, with no interface except for ears and brain. 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Finally I got around listening in on this album and I can only chime =20 in. What an inspiring recording! It's so fresh on the ears when there =20= are not the usual melodic themes, as in a lot of jazz or fusion =20 music, but simply an explorative conversation between sounds, =20 instruments and player's attitudes. I like the way Torn has edited =20 and mixed the originally rather improvised material: emphasizing the =20 dramatic dynamics. When listening to the record it feels as the post =20 production is "just one of the improvising band members". 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Quoting Paul Mimlitsch :

> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pSIbfzK2spg

A great showcase of talent, style, and technology.


From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com  Mon May 28 14:42:15 2007
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Folks,
i am updating my live PA rig and after trying a few PA
speakers i realize how important "lightweight" has
become for my back,since living in my new home where
my studio is in the cellar.
So the speakers have to be active,grips on the sides
and tops and light but powerful enough for clubs that
house about 400 people.I am looking at the RCFc Art
310A,very attractive at 12,4 Kg with 300 watts 
but quite pricey compared to mackies so i though i ask
before buying has anybody tried them? are they better
than the mackies(350,450s) and since they only have
10" speakers would i need x-tra subwoofers for such
clubs?
Thanx a million!
Luis

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i have a lexicon jamman for sale on ebay, w/ the 32 second expansion, 
and foot pedal:

http://cgi.ebay.com/lexicon-jamman-looper-with-32-second-option_W0QQitemZ320120228308QQihZ011QQcategoryZ23790QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

thanks,
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Personally, I had good experiences with HK Audio systems - don't know which
one will fit into your requirements spec, maybe the Lucas series? For 400
seat venues, I'd usually go for something bigger, but then you may not be
that loud ;)

Their strategy is using systems with subwoofers.

Another option for you might be the Bose Personalized Amplification series.
We played them at the y2k6loopfest on one stage and I really liked their
sound, but can definitely not second their "no feedback problems" ad...ymmv,
since I believe you use a lot of microphone signals?

	Rainer

> So the speakers have to be active,grips on the sides and tops 
> and light but powerful enough for clubs that house about 400 
> people.I am looking at the RCFc Art 310A,very attractive at 

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L.A. Angulo wrote:
> Folks,
> i am updating my live PA rig and after trying a few PA
> speakers i realize how important "lightweight" has
> become for my back,since living in my new home where
> my studio is in the cellar.
> So the speakers have to be active,grips on the sides
> and tops and light but powerful enough for clubs that
> house about 400 people.I am looking at the RCFc Art
> 310A,very attractive at 12,4 Kg with 300 watts 
> but quite pricey compared to mackies so i though i ask
> before buying has anybody tried them? are they better
> than the mackies(350,450s) and since they only have
> 10" speakers would i need x-tra subwoofers for such
> clubs?
Do you perform solo or in a group?  What kind of music do you play and 
what kind of demands does that make on a PA system?

If you want to minimize the weight, then you might want to consider 
avoiding active speakers.  That puts the weight of the power amp 
somewhere else but costs you an extra trip when loading gear into the 
car.  My experience is that the best sounding speakers have the heaviest 
magnets and the most solidly built cabinets.  That means they have 
substantial weight.  Lightening the load for our aging backs and knees 
forces us to find help with carrying gear or to compromise on sound 
quality.  Whenever I have to move my JBL speakers and bass amp, I try to 
load the car the day before a gig if at all possible.  That's the 
operation that I have to do solo.  It gives me over night to recover and 
then there's plenty of band members to help me unload the car and set up 
at the gig.

If the speakers you are considering require a subwoofer to handle your 
music (only you can make that determination), that's more weight and 
more loading trips and more room needed in your vehicle that transports 
the gear.  For me, extra trips, especially when stairs are involved, are 
something to avoid.

I live on ibuprofen and Aleve on gig days and still I'm usually a 
hurting puppy before the gig starts.  Then I have to sling a bass guitar 
over my shoulders for hours on end.

Cheers,

Bill

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Try looking at the Bose PAS or the commercial
version which is the MA-12 and MB4 bass cabinets. 
We use these very effectively for upwards of 500
people to as few as 20.  The drive the audio levels
twice as far before drop off, and have excellent
clean sound.  Some use the PAS version, with 1 setup
per musician. We use 4 MA-12 'stcks' and a Peavey
18" bass cabinet with the Panarray controller and
QSC amplifiers (3106?) and a Yamaha 01V96 board.  We
have 6 sticks in all for the big performances. All
instruments, and vocals play through the PA only. No
amps allowed! We place the all the speakers behind
us and have generally use no stage monitors, and we
hear what the audience hears.  Surprisingly it's not
too loud at stage, but very clear and evenly
distributed out into the audience due to the line
array properties of the sticks.  Very nice.

R

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  From: Bill Fox 
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  >L.A. Angulo wrote:
  >> Folks,
  >> i am updating my live PA rig and after trying a
  few PA
  >> speakers i realize how important "lightweight"
  has
  >> become for my back,since living in my new home
  where
  >> my studio is in the cellar.
  >> So the speakers have to be active,grips on the
  sides
  >> and tops and light but powerful enough for
  clubs that
  >> house about 400 people.I am looking at the RCFc
  Art
  >> 310A,very attractive at 12,4 Kg with 300 watts
  >> but quite pricey compared to mackies so i
  though i ask
  >> before buying has anybody tried them? are they
  better
  >> than the mackies(350,450s) and since they only
  have
  >> 10" speakers would i need x-tra subwoofers for
  such
  >> clubs?
  >Do you perform solo or in a group? What kind of
  music do you play and
  >what kind of demands does that make on a PA
  system?
  >
  >If you want to minimize the weight, then you
  might want to consider
  >avoiding active speakers. That puts the weight of
  the power amp
  >somewhere else but costs you an extra trip when
  loading gear into the
  >car. My experience is that the best sounding
  speakers have the heaviest
  >magnets and the most solidly built cabinets. That
  means they have
  >substantial weight. Lightening the load for our
  aging backs and knees
  >forces us to find help with carrying gear or to
  compromise on sound
  >quality. Whenever I have to move my JBL speakers
  and bass amp, I try to
  >load the car the day before a gig if at all
  possible. That's the
  >operation that I have to do solo. It gives me
  over night to recover and
  >then there's plenty of band members to help me
  unload the car and set up
  >at the gig.
  >
  >If the speakers you are considering require a
  subwoofer to handle your
  >music (only you can make that determination),
  that's more weight and
  >more loading trips and more room needed in your
  vehicle that transports
  >the gear. For me, extra trips, especially when
  stairs are involved, are
  >something to avoid.
  >
  >I live on ibuprofen and Aleve on gig days and
  still I'm usually a
  >hurting puppy before the gig starts. Then I have
  to sling a bass guitar
  >over my shoulders for hours on end.
  >
  >Cheers,
  >
  >Bill

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Try looking at the Bose PAS or the commercial version which is the MA-12 and MB4 bass cabinets.  We use these very effectively for upwards of 500 people to as few as 20.  The drive the audio levels twice as far before drop off, and have excellent clean sound.  Some use the PAS version, with 1 setup per musician. We use 4 MA-12 'stcks' and a Peavey 18" bass cabinet with the Panarray controller and QSC amplifiers (3106?) and a Yamaha 01V96 board.  We have 6 sticks in all for the big performances. All instruments, and vocals play through the PA only. No amps allowed! We place the all the speakers behind us and have generally use no stage monitors, and we hear what the audience hears.  Surprisingly it's not too loud at stage, but very clear and evenly distributed out into the audience due to the line array properties of the sticks.  Very nice.



R




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>L.A. Angulo wrote:

>> Folks,

>> i am updating my live PA rig and after trying a few PA

>> speakers i realize how important "lightweight" has

>> become for my back,since living in my new home where

>> my studio is in the cellar.

>> So the speakers have to be active,grips on the sides

>> and tops and light but powerful enough for clubs that

>> house about 400 people.I am looking at the RCFc Art

>> 310A,very attractive at 12,4 Kg with 300 watts 

>> but quite pricey compared to mackies so i though i ask

>> before buying has anybody tried them? are they better

>> than the mackies(350,450s) and since they only have

>> 10" speakers would i need x-tra subwoofers for such

>> clubs?

>Do you perform solo or in a group?  What kind of music do you play and 

>what kind of demands does that make on a PA system?

>

>If you want to minimize the weight, then you might want to consider 

>avoiding active speakers.  That puts the weight of the power amp 

>somewhere else but costs you an extra trip when loading gear into the 

>car.  My experience is that the best sounding speakers have the heaviest 

>magnets and the most solidly built cabinets.  That means they have 

>substantial weight.  Lightening the load for our aging backs and knees 

>forces us to find help with carrying gear or to compromise on sound 

>quality.  Whenever I have to move my JBL speakers and bass amp, I try to 

>load the car the day before a gig if at all possible.  That's the 

>operation that I have to do solo.  It gives me over night to recover and 

>then there's plenty of band members to help me unload the car and set up 

>at the gig.

>

>If the speakers you are considering require a subwoofer to handle your 

>music (only you can make that determination), that's more weight and 

>more loading trips and more room needed in your vehicle that transports 

>the gear.  For me, extra trips, especially when stairs are involved, are 

>something to avoid.

>

>I live on ibuprofen and Aleve on gig days and still I'm usually a 

>hurting puppy before the gig starts.  Then I have to sling a bass guitar 

>over my shoulders for hours on end.

>

>Cheers,

>

>Bill




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Hi ive posted one of my first testruns with the edp after i got it this
> winter, I have a setup that lets me switch instrument on the fly, but there
> are some noise issues i will have to deal with (hiss buildup?) anyway its
> posted on my myspace page , hope you like it and please give me a respons on
> it


the setup used is:

mci d10 pedal steel looped
K&S weissenborn used for improvising
presonus firestation used as preamp/mixer
mono to edp

mono to cubase

edit: fade inn and out
added reverb

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Hi ive posted one of my first testruns with the edp after i got it this winter, I have a setup that lets me switch instrument on the fly, but there are some noise issues i will have to deal with (hiss buildup?) anyway its posted on my myspace page , hope you like it and please give me a respons on it 



 


the setup used is:


 


mci d10 pedal steel looped


K&S weissenborn used for improvising


presonus firestation used as preamp/mixer


mono to edp


 


mono to cubase


 


edit: fade inn and out


added reverb


 



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91157204
arne@skage.com

www.skage.com 

-- 
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91157204
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www.skage.com 

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In a message dated 5/28/07 12:58:53 PM, rmbaylin@starpower.net writes:


> Try looking at the Bose PAS
> 

a wonderful system.....i agree with rainer on that but at the y2k6 we had 
both the mackie and the bose.....both imho sounded great but for the "schlepp 
factor" does 1 bose PAS = 1 srm 450.....i seem to remember not being able to 
carry an entire PAS in one trip.....then if you want to go stereo yikes!.....and 
of course you will want the subs with the PAS.....both systems are real pill 
poppers.....age can have it's disadvantages.....:).....mic



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Try looking at the Bo=
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I feel your pain buddy. I'm on my second modeling amp and I for the most
part have gone back to using pedal effects and mic'd low wattage tube amps.
Why? Because as much as I tried, I could not get a decent , artifact free
black face clean tone out of either modeler. At the end of the day I could
still hear the digital grunge lurking in the sound, and of course the
dynamic range did not compare to the real thing. I have tried the new
Princeton recording amps and even though they are pricey they are a great
tool, and not that pricey if you consider what black face Princetons are
going for these days.. The other possibility would be something like a Mesa
Boogie recording preamp. I've been eyeing a later model they made called a
Formula preamp, which also has speaker cabinet simulation, but those are
rare and discontinued. Has anyone on this list used one of these?

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I feel your pain buddy. I’m =
on my
second modeling amp and I for the most part have gone back to using =
pedal
effects and mic’d low wattage tube amps. Why? Because as much as I =
tried,
I could not get a decent , artifact free black face clean tone out of =
either
modeler. At the end of the day I could still hear the digital grunge =
lurking in
the sound, and of course the dynamic range did not compare to the real =
thing. I
have tried the new  Princeton =
recording
amps and even though they are pricey they are a great tool, and not that =
pricey
if you consider what black face Princetons are going for these days.. =
The other
possibility would be something like a Mesa Boogie recording preamp. =
I’ve
been eyeing a later model they made called a Formula preamp, which also =
has
speaker cabinet simulation, but those are rare and discontinued. Has =
anyone on
this list used one of these?



Bill



 









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arne.....sweet!.....thnaks mucho.....mic

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I think the SM450 may have a bit more oomph than a
PAS, but sonically I did not prefer the Mackie
SM450's I've heard vs. my Bose MA-12 (commercial
version unpowered) setup.  I think the SM's are more
middy, but this could be just the EQ'ing on the ones
I've heard.

I would say  the difference is what do you
constitute  as 'shlepping'?  More trips of lighter
products, or less trips with more weight? The Mackie
is probably less setup time since it's all one
unit.  Also the Bose is very dependent on the EQ'ing
model selected.   Bottom line for me is that's what
I use, Bose, because it's what I own (bought for a
very, very attractive price of dealer cost - demo %
off), and I like the sound and technology.  If I had
to do it again, I would seriously look at the Mackie
line as they appear to be slightly more convienent,
not having to drag a sub. But, there is nothing like
a good sub to bring out the bass.

RB

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  In a message dated 5/28/07 12:58:53 PM,
  rmbaylin@starpower.net writes:

    Try looking at the Bose PAS

  a wonderful system.....i agree with rainer on that
  but at the y2k6 we had both the mackie and the
  bose.....both imho sounded great but for the
  "schlepp factor" does 1 bose PAS = 1 srm 450.....i
  seem to remember not being able to carry an entire
  PAS in one trip.....then if you want to go stereo
  yikes!.....and of course you will want the subs
  with the PAS.....both systems are real pill
  poppers.....age can have it's
  disadvantages.....:).....mic

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I think the SM450 may have a bit more oomph than a PAS, but sonically I did not prefer the Mackie SM450's I've heard vs. my Bose MA-12 (commercial version unpowered) setup.  I think the SM's are more middy, but this could be just the EQ'ing on the ones I've heard. 



I would say  the difference is what do you constitute  as 'shlepping'?  More trips of lighter products, or less trips with more weight? The Mackie is probably less setup time since it's all one unit.  Also the Bose is very dependent on the EQ'ing model selected.   Bottom line for me is that's what I use, Bose, because it's what I own (bought for a very, very attractive price of dealer cost - demo % off), and I like the sound and technology.  If I had to do it again, I would seriously look at the Mackie line as they appear to be slightly more convienent, not having to drag a sub. But, there is nothing like a good sub to bring out the bass.



RB








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In a message dated 5/28/07 12:58:53 PM, rmbaylin@starpower.net writes:












Try looking at the Bose PAS












a wonderful system.....i agree with rainer on that but at the y2k6 we had both the mackie and the bose.....both imho sounded great but for the "schlepp factor" does 1 bose PAS = 1 srm 450.....i seem to remember not being able to carry an entire PAS in one trip.....then if you want to go stereo yikes!.....and of course you will want the subs with the PAS.....both systems are real pill poppers.....age can have it's disadvantages.....:).....mic















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Servus Rainer,
Yes,i did try the Bose PAS but for that price tag they
werent convincing enough,i love to feel bass and thats
the first thing i noticed they lacked even with their
subs plugged in.
I am currently playing bass with an Irish Folk band
who use a HK lucas system with an integrated
subwoofer.This is definetly more convincing to my ears
and transport pratical but they still lack
something.My old yamahas MS-150 beat this system even
without a subwoofer!I love them but having to uncrew a
plate in the bottom of the speakers and then screw in
2 flanges to be able to mount them on top of the
stands has become a pain in the ass since i have to
set up as quick as possible.But i will keep them and
use them as monitors.
cheers
Luis


--- Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill
 wrote:

> Personally, I had good experiences with HK Audio
> systems - don't know which
> one will fit into your requirements spec, maybe the
> Lucas series? For 400
> seat venues, I'd usually go for something bigger,
> but then you may not be
> that loud ;)
> 
> Their strategy is using systems with subwoofers.
> 
> Another option for you might be the Bose
> Personalized Amplification series.
> We played them at the y2k6loopfest on one stage and
> I really liked their
> sound, but can definitely not second their "no
> feedback problems" ad...ymmv,
> since I believe you use a lot of microphone signals?
> 
> 	Rainer
> 
> > So the speakers have to be active,grips on the
> sides and tops 
> > and light but powerful enough for clubs that house
> about 400 
> > people.I am looking at the RCFc Art 310A,very
> attractive at 
> 
> 


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Thanks for posting this; it was wonderfully rich to hear and see....


Cass


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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pSIbfzK2spg


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Hey Bill valuable info man thanx! 
i always suspected the weight of all of this things
has definetly something do with it,and companies are
obviously capitalizing on this new "compact and light"
approach (like amp simulation VST organs and leslies
no need to carry all of that anymore) 
but i definetly dont want to sacrifice sound because
of it!
ive also been checking this babies out at a lower
price,sound dispersion more wattage and larger speaker
http://www.thomann.de/gb/yamaha_msr_400.htm
but why on earth did they not put a handle grip on the
top like the RCFs.. hey we arent long hair dudes in
our fuckin 20s anymore!
Luis



yes, what a drag it is getting old...
--- Bill Fox  wrote:

> L.A. Angulo wrote:
> > Folks,
> > i am updating my live PA rig and after trying a
> few PA
> > speakers i realize how important "lightweight" has
> > become for my back,since living in my new home
> where
> > my studio is in the cellar.
> > So the speakers have to be active,grips on the
> sides
> > and tops and light but powerful enough for clubs
> that
> > house about 400 people.I am looking at the RCFc
> Art
> > 310A,very attractive at 12,4 Kg with 300 watts 
> > but quite pricey compared to mackies so i though i
> ask
> > before buying has anybody tried them? are they
> better
> > than the mackies(350,450s) and since they only
> have
> > 10" speakers would i need x-tra subwoofers for
> such
> > clubs?
> Do you perform solo or in a group?  What kind of
> music do you play and 
> what kind of demands does that make on a PA system?
> 
> If you want to minimize the weight, then you might
> want to consider 
> avoiding active speakers.  That puts the weight of
> the power amp 
> somewhere else but costs you an extra trip when
> loading gear into the 
> car.  My experience is that the best sounding
> speakers have the heaviest 
> magnets and the most solidly built cabinets.  That
> means they have 
> substantial weight.  Lightening the load for our
> aging backs and knees 
> forces us to find help with carrying gear or to
> compromise on sound 
> quality.  Whenever I have to move my JBL speakers
> and bass amp, I try to 
> load the car the day before a gig if at all
> possible.  That's the 
> operation that I have to do solo.  It gives me over
> night to recover and 
> then there's plenty of band members to help me
> unload the car and set up 
> at the gig.
> 
> If the speakers you are considering require a
> subwoofer to handle your 
> music (only you can make that determination), that's
> more weight and 
> more loading trips and more room needed in your
> vehicle that transports 
> the gear.  For me, extra trips, especially when
> stairs are involved, are 
> something to avoid.
> 
> I live on ibuprofen and Aleve on gig days and still
> I'm usually a 
> hurting puppy before the gig starts.  Then I have to
> sling a bass guitar 
> over my shoulders for hours on end.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Bill
> 
> 


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Yep!  Its a great album, totally like a modern bitches brew style
thing.  I saw DT at the tea lounge in Brooklyn and it was truly an
inspired show, was so cool to see loops and effect manipulation used
in such a powerful fresh way.  Cant wait to catch Prezens again in
July.

On 5/28/07, Per Boysen  wrote:
> On 21 apr 2007, at 19.22, Dave Trenkel wrote:
> > I picked it up on Tuesday the minute it arrived at the store.
> > Awesome disc,
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "tEd (r) kiLLiAn"
> > It's pretty darn terrific . . . grab it if you can.
> > And, David, wherever you are, great work!
>
>
> Finally I got around listening in on this album and I can only chime
> in. What an inspiring recording! It's so fresh on the ears when there
> are not the usual melodic themes, as in a lot of jazz or fusion
> music, but simply an explorative conversation between sounds,
> instruments and player's attitudes. I like the way Torn has edited
> and mixed the originally rather improvised material: emphasizing the
> dramatic dynamics. When listening to the record it feels as the post
> production is "just one of the improvising band members".
>
> Greetings from Sweden
>
> Per Boysen
> www.boysen.se (Swedish)
> www.looproom.com (international)
> http://www.myspace.com/looproom
> http://www.jamendo.com/en/artist/per.boysen/
> http://www.jamendo.com/en/artist/lo.fi.lazer/
>
>
>
>

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  Bill thanks for the follow-up.I didn't see it,perhaps it was one of those 
periods when there was so much LD stuff that I couldn't track it all.

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L.A. Angulo wrote:
> hey we arent long hair dudes in
> our fuckin 20s anymore!
> Luis
In my case, I'm a long haired dude in my 50s!  My hair is longer now 
than it ever was in my 20s.   ;-)

Cheers,

Bill
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samba - wrote:
> Bill thanks for the follow-up.I didn't see it,perhaps it was one of those
> periods when there was so much LD stuff that I couldn't track it all.
No problem.  I miss stuff all the time.  As my interests and focus 
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all the amient noise.  Just today, I deleted over 2000 messages on a 
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Cheers,

Bill

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This is a beautiful clip.

I'm am fatally curious..................how on earth can she make an initial 
repeater
loop of fairly arhythmic vocals and then come back and perfectly play a 16 
note
hand clapping ostinato that syncs with it?

Any ideas folks?..................I'd love to do this as I'm generally 
relegated to playing
a rhythmic loop first for multiple track over dubs.

It's pretty amazing that our own Zoe Keating and Andrew Chaiken (aka Kid 
Beyond)
have toured with this wonderful artist!

yeah us!

rick walker 

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Click track?

Gonna have to go watch again and see if she has an earbud in. :)

Which makes me ponder - someone should make a device that translates a click
or MIDI clock into a light electrical impulse and transmits it wirelessly so
that we can attach them to an appropriately discreet location on the
body.....  talk about feeling the beat!

Doug

On 5/28/07, RICK WALKER  wrote:
>
> This is a beautiful clip.
>
> I'm am fatally curious..................how on earth can she make an
> initial
> repeater
> loop of fairly arhythmic vocals and then come back and perfectly play a 16
> note
> hand clapping ostinato that syncs with it?
>
> Any ideas folks?..................I'd love to do this as I'm generally
> relegated to playing
> a rhythmic loop first for multiple track over dubs.
>
> It's pretty amazing that our own Zoe Keating and Andrew Chaiken (aka Kid
> Beyond)
> have toured with this wonderful artist!
>
> yeah us!
>
> rick walker
>
>

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Click track?

Gonna have to go watch again and see if she has an earbud in. :)

Which makes me ponder - someone should make a device that translates a click or MIDI clock into a light electrical impulse and transmits it wirelessly so that we can attach them to an appropriately discreet location on the body.....  talk about feeling the beat!


Doug

On 5/28/07, RICK WALKER <looppool@cruzio.com> wrote:

This is a beautiful clip.

I'm am fatally curious..................how on earth can she make an initial
repeater
loop of fairly arhythmic vocals and then come back and perfectly play a 16
note
hand clapping ostinato that syncs with it?


Any ideas folks?..................I'd love to do this as I'm generally
relegated to playing
a rhythmic loop first for multiple track over dubs.

It's pretty amazing that our own Zoe Keating and Andrew Chaiken (aka Kid

Beyond)
have toured with this wonderful artist!

yeah us!

rick walker




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Hi everybody,

Sorry to barge into the "discussion" . I'm new here but have been =20
recieving the mail for a while now.
I'm Nathan from Amsterdam/The Netherlands and i have a one-manproject =20=

with a electronic/acoustic drumkit and this instrument i made which =20
is like a little table with amplified basestrings on it.

I have i question for you guys, maybe you can help me.
I use a Boss RC20xl in which i feed the electronic part of my drumkit =20=

plus the stringthing, but want to be able to run more loops.
So i am thinking of buying an rc2 to join in on the fun. The =20
signalpath i was thinking of is;
soundsource>looper#1>looper#2>amp, but allso from looper#1 straight =20
to amp(with a double jack-thingie) AND from looper#2 by means of an =20
AB-switch back to looper#1.
i only have to add 2 volumepedals (one for each)

this way i can **copy loops from one looper to the other and
                          **adjust the starting and endingpoint of them
                          **have a lot of possibilities to erase any =20
mistakes

it'll just be quite difficult to use this all with possibly only one =20
foot.
and yes;  i would love to have an echoplex!!! but it's a lot of money =20=

(=801333,- over here and this extra rc2 is 179,-)

o wait, the question is;   is this a good idea?
the music i make is quite experimental and noisy, but good timing is =20
still very essential. i guess you could see my stuff as Steve Reichs =20
"Drumming" and then with distortion or something.   :)

bye!

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Nathan,

Perhaps you should look at buying an Echoplex from a US based retailer or p=
rivate seller. Your exchange rate would significantly save you money. Pound=
s?

Todd Howell
Lurking Looper

-----Original Message-----
>From: Nathan van Heynsbergen 
>Sent: May 28, 2007 8:14 PM
>To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
>Subject: double-Boss-loop-patch
>
>
>Hi everybody,
>
>Sorry to barge into the "discussion" . I'm new here but have been =20
>recieving the mail for a while now.
>I'm Nathan from Amsterdam/The Netherlands and i have a one-manproject =20
>with a electronic/acoustic drumkit and this instrument i made which =20
>is like a little table with amplified basestrings on it.
>
>I have i question for you guys, maybe you can help me.
>I use a Boss RC20xl in which i feed the electronic part of my drumkit =20
>plus the stringthing, but want to be able to run more loops.
>So i am thinking of buying an rc2 to join in on the fun. The =20
>signalpath i was thinking of is;
>soundsource>looper#1>looper#2>amp, but allso from looper#1 straight =20
>to amp(with a double jack-thingie) AND from looper#2 by means of an =20
>AB-switch back to looper#1.
>i only have to add 2 volumepedals (one for each)
>
>this way i can **copy loops from one looper to the other and
>                          **adjust the starting and endingpoint of them
>                          **have a lot of possibilities to erase any =20
>mistakes
>
>it'll just be quite difficult to use this all with possibly only one =20
>foot.
>and yes;  i would love to have an echoplex!!! but it's a lot of money =20
>(=E2=82=AC1333,- over here and this extra rc2 is 179,-)
>
>o wait, the question is;   is this a good idea?
>the music i make is quite experimental and noisy, but good timing is =20
>still very essential. i guess you could see my stuff as Steve Reichs =20
>"Drumming" and then with distortion or something.   :)
>
>bye!
>

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Quoting Nathan van Heynsbergen :

> Sorry to barge into the "discussion" . I'm new here but have been
> recieving the mail for a while now.
> I'm Nathan from Amsterdam/The Netherlands...
>
> i guess you could see my stuff as Steve Reichs
> "Drumming" and then with distortion or something.   :)

Glad you barged in.  Always great to meet another Steve Reich fan.

I don't have an answer to your question however I too like to do  
looping that demands rhythmic precision thus I look forward to others'  
responses to your question.

-- Kevin

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Doug wrote:  "Which makes me ponder - someone should make a device that 
translates a click or MIDI clock into a light electrical impulse and 
transmits it wirelessly so that we can attach them to an appropriately 
discreet location on the body.....  talk about feeling the beat! "



I had a friend in Santa Cruz who marketed a device called the MidiNome many 
years ago
that did exactly that.     What was cool is that it was large and had a half 
circle of LEDs that would sweep
across so you could see when it was going to be right on the beat a little 
ahead of time.
It was great but he asked too much for what the market would bear and they 
went out of production.
I had an endorsement with him for a while,  but one day he called me and 
asked for it back...........damn!!!!

Bjork also use a similar device in her latest concert..........it had a huge 
display and was up high so that all
the 10 members of her all woman's vocal choir/brass horn section could see 
the conducting:   important as they were all
playing to glitchy laptop musicians who had  control of the rhythm tracks.

rick walker 

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On 29 maj 2007, at 01.28, RICK WALKER wrote:

> .how on earth can she make an initial repeater
> loop of fairly arhythmic vocals and then come back and perfectly  
> play a 16 note
> hand clapping ostinato that syncs with it?


I'd say it's pretty obvious, if one is familiar with how vocalists  
use to "think" when phrasing. The first "loop" she creates is the  
sixteenth pattern, but she doesn't record it, just keeps it going  
inside her head for reference. Then she starts singing the first  
voice layer while keeping the glue to the envisioned sixteenth  
pattern within. And the rhythm is the simplest possible; every word  
"just" goes on the first downbeat of a bar (except for the latest bar  
of the loop where show does a down-fall glissando of the word "now"  
at that point) and she records the loop as four bars. So, there's  
"the macro grid", if you like. If you look at the video you may also  
notice that, while she is doing the hand clapping, she's watching a  
beat meter led. The beat/tempo display/output from the Repeater  
starts when closing the first loop and she lets the Repeater loop  
pass four times before starting clapping hands, so the visual tempo  
indicator should be perfectly stable by then. Unless this double  
safety assurance she does end up a bit off, resulting in the few  
overlapping hand claps sounding like flame hits. As I remember the  
Repeater (haven't had one for years) it does sway up and down in  
tempo just like that (which I like with the Repeater BTW - sounds  
better on drones that on hand claps though)

The link for the video got lost from this thread. Here it is again:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pSIbfzK2spg

Greetings from Sweden

Per



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Hi list,

When googling for Santa Cruz Loopfest I came across this magazine  
article:
http://www.metroactive.com/papers/cruz/10.05.05/loopfest-0540.html

Maybe it's an old article by date, but I for one have not seen it  
before.

All the best

Per

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Yes, i like it a lot.

About the Rick's question, i wonder if she get the parts in sync just 
following the metronome led of the repeater.
I know many musicians that are able to follow the metronome in this way, 
but it myst be ssid that they all have a very good sense of time and 
Imogean seems that kind of musician.

fabio
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    Hi there, I'm back with a few performances in Austria and Germany, in
between gigs in the UK. I'll let you know the details of The Beez
 gigs when I know. In general news, both of my CDs and
the Totally Gourdgeous, Sock and Oxo Cubans CDs are all on iTunes Music
Store  now... yay! "3 Cheers for Peace and Quiet"
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    . If you haven't checked out my
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reckon you should: The Waterbear video if fairly nuts. And to check out my
MySpace , click here
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    Ebulliently thine,  Mal

    Wednesday July 11, 9:30pm, Mal Webb solo (25 minutes performance) at
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Austria. Euro 15 (includes the TRIS clown theatre at 7:30 pm)
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    July 12-13 Mal Webb runs a workshop, "Deine Stimme ist die Band" only
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    Saturday July 14, 8pm, Mal Webb and Carl Pannuzzo each solo and
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    July 15-20, Mal Webb near Backnang, Stuttgart, Germany doing gigs with
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    July 22-29, Mal Webb teaches and performs at Vokalsummerakademie,
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    There may be a gig on July 28 in Purbach, Austria... I'll let you
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    http://www.malwebb.com 
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    You're on my "Europe" eMal list. To be removed or moved to a
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Hi there,
I'm back with a few performances in Austria and Germany, in between
gigs in the UK. I'll let you know the details of The Beez
gigs when I know. In
general news, both of my
CDs and the Totally Gourdgeous, Sock and Oxo Cubans CDs are all on iTunes Music
Store now... yay! "3 Cheers for
Peace and Quiet" is often touted as "the only CD our whole family
can agree on"... how nice. It's available in shops through MGM
Distribution. If you haven't checked out my stuff on YouTube.com,
I reckon you should: The Waterbear video if fairly nuts. And to check
out my MySpace,
click here (there's mob
of photos and songs there you might like... including a recording of me
at 4!)

Ebulliently thine,  Mal

   

  Wednesday July 11, 9:30pm, Mal Webb
solo (25 minutes performance) at Theatre Am
Spittelberg, 1070 Vienna, Spittelberggasse 10. Vienna, Austria. Euro 15
(includes the TRIS
clown theatre
at 7:30 pm) www.theateramspittelberg.at

   

   July 12-13 Mal Webb
runs a workshop, "Deine Stimme ist die
Band" only for people between 16 and 25 years. Vienna, 8, Albertgasse 35/II. Euro 28 subscription: www.soundbase.at. Vienna, Austria

  

  Saturday July 14,
8pm, Mal Webb
and Carl Pannuzzo each
solo and together at Vorstadt Gasthaus,
Vienna, 16, Herbststrasse 37. Euro 13 / Euro 9 (students) Vienna, Austria www.vorstadt.at 

  

  July 15-20, Mal Webb
near Backnang, Stuttgart, Germany doing gigs with
and alongside The Beez.
More details soon.

  

  July 22-29, Mal Webb
teaches and performs at Vokalsummerakademie, Austria. For
details/bookings, go to: www.vokalsommerakademie.at

There may be a gig on July 28 in Purbach, Austria... I'll let you
know.

  

  http://www.malwebb.com

  http://www.myspace.com/malwebb1

  

You're on my "Europe" eMal list. To be removed or moved to a
different list, let me know.

And far be it from me to say.............................(yonder)......







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and I know there are some IBZ freaks on the list who might appreciate it
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I'm starting to sell some of my top end pieces. This is the first:

For sale: Vintage 1975 Ibanez Double Neck, Model 2404 Bass/Guitar

This is the ultra rare vintage Ibanez double neck four string bass/six
string guitar. Made in Japan I believe this model was manufactured from
1973-1975. Most of those made were in walnut finish, this is the rarer
White with black pickguard and gold hardware. Body shape is similar to a
double cutaway SG with two horns, script logo, original Ibanez pre-lawsuit
"crown" pearl inlay on headstock. Pre serial # which indicates 1975 or
earlier.

Two guitar humbuckers, two different bass guitar pickups. Both instruments
have tri-position switches with a third Guitar/Guitar+Bass/Bass
tri-position in the center. Two volumes, two tones. Nice solid body, thin
bass neck, extrodinarily playable. If you know your guitars you know
Ibanez made amazing sounding pickups and instruments during this period
and this is no exception. Bass sounds almost active (it's not) and guitar
has a nice round full sound in any combination. You can play both guitar
and bass if you're fast enough (I did lots of looping with it) and it's a
HELL of a lot of fun on-stage. I gigged with it twice and babied it both
times for special occasion shows. It did the job :)

This particular 2404 is in excellent condition for it's age. (See
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now more chrome. I am the second owner of this guitar and I bought it
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in 1975. It has never been shipped anywhere and has spent it's life in
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being enjoyed. This case alone is a collectable.

All hardware, pickups, wiring, etc. are 100% original. There are some
small nicks and the switches could use a cleaning now and then perhaps.
There is a small paint crack in the guitar neck joint (see pics) but this
is non-structural and has not changed in the years I have owned it. A few
years ago I had this professionally setup (that cost $120 including
strings) and fully gone over and confirmed the structual integrity of the
guitar. It is in top shape and ready to play out of the case.

I am asking $1000 including the OHS case and setup which is far below
street price. This is one ultra-rare instrument that is not only
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sit collecting dust you will be proud to have this on display *and* pick
it up often. I know I did.

Cash talks, no lowballs, no muss, no fuss. I will consider paypal (direct
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reasonable clearing period. I prefer not to ship this but will meet within
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packing fees. I understand this isn't a toy instrument or a toy price so I
am happy to entertain all serious buyers and will answer any questions,
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If it does not sell here it will go on the 'net at large and consignment
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Have you sold this yet?

Interested

Neil
971-570-9271

On 5/29/07, legion@helpwantedproductions.com <
legion@helpwantedproductions.com> wrote:
>
> Forgive the AH post but this was swathed with analog effects in my studio
> and I know there are some IBZ freaks on the list who might appreciate it
> :)
>
> I'm starting to sell some of my top end pieces. This is the first:
>
> For sale: Vintage 1975 Ibanez Double Neck, Model 2404 Bass/Guitar
>
> This is the ultra rare vintage Ibanez double neck four string bass/six
> string guitar. Made in Japan I believe this model was manufactured from
> 1973-1975. Most of those made were in walnut finish, this is the rarer
> White with black pickguard and gold hardware. Body shape is similar to a
> double cutaway SG with two horns, script logo, original Ibanez pre-lawsuit
> "crown" pearl inlay on headstock. Pre serial # which indicates 1975 or
> earlier.
>
> Two guitar humbuckers, two different bass guitar pickups. Both instruments
> have tri-position switches with a third Guitar/Guitar+Bass/Bass
> tri-position in the center. Two volumes, two tones. Nice solid body, thin
> bass neck, extrodinarily playable. If you know your guitars you know
> Ibanez made amazing sounding pickups and instruments during this period
> and this is no exception. Bass sounds almost active (it's not) and guitar
> has a nice round full sound in any combination. You can play both guitar
> and bass if you're fast enough (I did lots of looping with it) and it's a
> HELL of a lot of fun on-stage. I gigged with it twice and babied it both
> times for special occasion shows. It did the job :)
>
> This particular 2404 is in excellent condition for it's age. (See
> pictures) White finish has faded evenly and some of the gold hardware is
> now more chrome. I am the second owner of this guitar and I bought it
> directly from the original owner back in the 90s who bought it in a store
> in 1975. It has never been shipped anywhere and has spent it's life in
> it's original Ibanez custom hardshell case (included, see pics) when not
> being enjoyed. This case alone is a collectable.
>
> All hardware, pickups, wiring, etc. are 100% original. There are some
> small nicks and the switches could use a cleaning now and then perhaps.
> There is a small paint crack in the guitar neck joint (see pics) but this
> is non-structural and has not changed in the years I have owned it. A few
> years ago I had this professionally setup (that cost $120 including
> strings) and fully gone over and confirmed the structual integrity of the
> guitar. It is in top shape and ready to play out of the case.
>
> I am asking $1000 including the OHS case and setup which is far below
> street price. This is one ultra-rare instrument that is not only
> collectable; it is a great playing (and looking) guitar. Not something to
> sit collecting dust you will be proud to have this on display *and* pick
> it up often. I know I did.
>
> Cash talks, no lowballs, no muss, no fuss. I will consider paypal (direct
> bank transfer or Credit card ONLY) if buyer pays all fees and there is a
> reasonable clearing period. I prefer not to ship this but will meet within
> 25 Miles of Phila, PA. If it does ship buyer pays shipping and possible
> packing fees. I understand this isn't a toy instrument or a toy price so I
> am happy to entertain all serious buyers and will answer any questions,
> etc. Please include a phone # to speed things up.
>
> If it does not sell here it will go on the 'net at large and consignment
> for significantly more. Please do us both a favor and come get it. I will
> consider trades for banana modular synthesizer stuff. Cyndustries/Modcan
> or Serge panels or an Ibanez "Rocket Roll" guitar. Not much else I'm
> looking for at this time but if you have something ultra weird let me
> know.
>
> Thanks for looking!
>
> Some info: http://www.ibanez-vintage-page.de/
>
> Pictures of my actual Guitar/bass for sale:
> http://www.helpwantedproductions.com/ebay/gtr_07/IBZ1.jpg
> http://www.helpwantedproductions.com/ebay/gtr_07/IBZ2.jpg
> http://www.helpwantedproductions.com/ebay/gtr_07/IBZ3.jpg
> http://www.helpwantedproductions.com/ebay/gtr_07/IBZ4.jpg
> http://www.helpwantedproductions.com/ebay/gtr_07/IBZ5.jpg
>
>
>    ------------------------------------------------
>       Weird, Scary, and Beautiful Music and Art:
>         Http://www.HelpWantedProductions.com
>
>

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Have you sold this yet? 

Interested

Neil
971-570-9271

On 5/29/07, legion@helpwantedproductions.com
 <legion@helpwantedproductions.com> wrote:

Forgive the AH post but this was swathed with analog effects in my studio
and I know there are some IBZ freaks on the list who might appreciate it
:)

I'm starting to sell some of my top end pieces. This is the first:


For sale: Vintage 1975 Ibanez Double Neck, Model 2404 Bass/Guitar

This is the ultra rare vintage Ibanez double neck four string bass/six
string guitar. Made in Japan I believe this model was manufactured from

1973-1975. Most of those made were in walnut finish, this is the rarer
White with black pickguard and gold hardware. Body shape is similar to a
double cutaway SG with two horns, script logo, original Ibanez pre-lawsuit

"crown" pearl inlay on headstock. Pre serial # which indicates 1975 or
earlier.

Two guitar humbuckers, two different bass guitar pickups. Both instruments
have tri-position switches with a third Guitar/Guitar+Bass/Bass

tri-position in the center. Two volumes, two tones. Nice solid body, thin
bass neck, extrodinarily playable. If you know your guitars you know
Ibanez made amazing sounding pickups and instruments during this period

and this is no exception. Bass sounds almost active (it's not) and guitar
has a nice round full sound in any combination. You can play both guitar
and bass if you're fast enough (I did lots of looping with it) and it's a

HELL of a lot of fun on-stage. I gigged with it twice and babied it both
times for special occasion shows. It did the job :)

This particular 2404 is in excellent condition for it's age. (See
pictures) White finish has faded evenly and some of the gold hardware is

now more chrome. I am the second owner of this guitar and I bought it
directly from the original owner back in the 90s who bought it in a store
in 1975. It has never been shipped anywhere and has spent it's life in

it's original Ibanez custom hardshell case (included, see pics) when not
being enjoyed. This case alone is a collectable.

All hardware, pickups, wiring, etc. are 100% original. There are some
small nicks and the switches could use a cleaning now and then perhaps.

There is a small paint crack in the guitar neck joint (see pics) but this
is non-structural and has not changed in the years I have owned it. A few
years ago I had this professionally setup (that cost $120 including

strings) and fully gone over and confirmed the structual integrity of the
guitar. It is in top shape and ready to play out of the case.

I am asking $1000 including the OHS case and setup which is far below

street price. This is one ultra-rare instrument that is not only
collectable; it is a great playing (and looking) guitar. Not something to
sit collecting dust you will be proud to have this on display *and* pick

it up often. I know I did.

Cash talks, no lowballs, no muss, no fuss. I will consider paypal (direct
bank transfer or Credit card ONLY) if buyer pays all fees and there is a
reasonable clearing period. I prefer not to ship this but will meet within

25 Miles of Phila, PA. If it does ship buyer pays shipping and possible
packing fees. I understand this isn't a toy instrument or a toy price so I
am happy to entertain all serious buyers and will answer any questions,

etc. Please include a phone # to speed things up.

If it does not sell here it will go on the 'net at large and consignment
for significantly more. Please do us both a favor and come get it. I will
consider trades for banana modular synthesizer stuff. Cyndustries/Modcan

or Serge panels or an Ibanez "Rocket Roll" guitar. Not much else I'm
looking for at this time but if you have something ultra weird let me
know.

Thanks for looking!

Some info: 
http://www.ibanez-vintage-page.de/

Pictures of my actual Guitar/bass for sale:
http://www.helpwantedproductions.com/ebay/gtr_07/IBZ1.jpg

http://www.helpwantedproductions.com/ebay/gtr_07/IBZ2.jpg
http://www.helpwantedproductions.com/ebay/gtr_07/IBZ3.jpg

http://www.helpwantedproductions.com/ebay/gtr_07/IBZ4.jpg
http://www.helpwantedproductions.com/ebay/gtr_07/IBZ5.jpg



   ------------------------------------------------
      Weird, Scary, and Beautiful Music and Art:
        Http://www.HelpWantedProductions.com





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Hi Nathan, barge away,

This techique of creating a short loop, then manually multiplying by re-recording into a longer loop is perfectly valid, and one that many loopers use, myself included.  Your idea of being able to feed the new loop back into the first looper to create another longer (or shorter) loop is commendable.  This will work fine,  you won't lose too much audio quality, but getting the timing spot-on is going to be a major headache, especially live.  Also the mechanics of physically switching the correct A-B box etc. at the right time will also prove to be a bit of a nightmare in a live situation, beware !

I used to have a very complex switching system that allowed me to send a loop from one device into the input of any other device (including the front end of my guitar preamp/multiFX), which gave me lots of versatility, but slowed up the music making process too much to be of any use live.  I have simplified my rig somewhat, but aim to simplify further so that I can concentrate more on making music and expanding ideas, rather than pushing buttons and giving less room for technological errors (live anyway).

Hava look at the pics of my set up on myspace, and listen to some tracks while you're there.

                 http://www.myspace.com/sylvianfisher

Cheers, Stephen

Nathan van Heynsbergen  wrote: 
Hi everybody,

Sorry to barge into the "discussion" . I'm new here but have been  
recieving the mail for a while now.
I'm Nathan from Amsterdam/The Netherlands and i have a one-manproject  
with a electronic/acoustic drumkit and this instrument i made which  
is like a little table with amplified basestrings on it.

I have i question for you guys, maybe you can help me.
I use a Boss RC20xl in which i feed the electronic part of my drumkit  
plus the stringthing, but want to be able to run more loops.
So i am thinking of buying an rc2 to join in on the fun. The  
signalpath i was thinking of is;
soundsource>looper#1>looper#2>amp, but allso from looper#1 straight  
to amp(with a double jack-thingie) AND from looper#2 by means of an  
AB-switch back to looper#1.
i only have to add 2 volumepedals (one for each)

this way i can **copy loops from one looper to the other and
                          **adjust the starting and endingpoint of them
                          **have a lot of possibilities to erase any  
mistakes

it'll just be quite difficult to use this all with possibly only one  
foot.
and yes;  i would love to have an echoplex!!! but it's a lot of money  
(€1333,- over here and this extra rc2 is 179,-)

o wait, the question is;   is this a good idea?
the music i make is quite experimental and noisy, but good timing is  
still very essential. i guess you could see my stuff as Steve Reichs  
"Drumming" and then with distortion or something.   :)

bye!



       
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Hi Nathan, barge away,

This techique of creating a short loop, then manually multiplying by re-recording into a longer loop is perfectly valid, and one that many loopers use, myself included.  Your idea of being able to feed the new loop back into the first looper to create another longer (or shorter) loop is commendable.  This will work fine,  you won't lose too much audio quality, but getting the timing spot-on is going to be a major headache, especially live.  Also the mechanics of physically switching the correct A-B box etc. at the right time will also prove to be a bit of a nightmare in a live situation, beware !

I used to have a very complex switching system that allowed me to send a loop from one device into the input of any other device (including the front end of my guitar preamp/multiFX), which gave me lots of versatility, but slowed up the music making process too much to be of any use live.  I have simplified my rig
 somewhat, but aim to simplify further so that I can concentrate more on making music and expanding ideas, rather than pushing buttons and giving less room for technological errors (live anyway).

Hava look at the pics of my set up on myspace, and listen to some tracks while you're there.

                 http://www.myspace.com/sylvianfisher

Cheers, Stephen

Nathan van Heynsbergen <nathanvanheynsbergen@gmail.com> wrote:
 
Hi everybody,

Sorry to barge into the "discussion" . I'm new here but have been  
recieving the mail for a while now.
I'm Nathan from Amsterdam/The Netherlands and i have a one-manproject  
with a electronic/acoustic drumkit and this instrument i made which  
is like a little table with amplified basestrings on it.

I have i question for you guys, maybe you can help
 me.
I use a Boss RC20xl in which i feed the electronic part of my drumkit  
plus the stringthing, but want to be able to run more loops.
So i am thinking of buying an rc2 to join in on the fun. The  
signalpath i was thinking of is;
soundsource>looper#1>looper#2>amp, but allso from looper#1 straight  
to amp(with a double jack-thingie) AND from looper#2 by means of an  
AB-switch back to looper#1.
i only have to add 2 volumepedals (one for each)

this way i can **copy loops from one looper to the other and
                          **adjust the starting and endingpoint of them
                          **have a lot of possibilities to erase any  
mistakes

it'll just be quite difficult to use this all with possibly only one  
foot.
and yes;  i would love to have an echoplex!!! but it's a lot of money  
(€1333,- over here and this extra rc2 is 179,-)

o wait, the question is;   is this a good idea?
the
 music i make is quite experimental and noisy, but good timing is  
still very essential. i guess you could see my stuff as Steve Reichs  
"Drumming" and then with distortion or something.   :)

bye!


 
      
Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life? Nope! - their life, your story.
 Play Sims Stories at Yahoo! Games. 
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Hi Sylvian,
Sounds good, your tracks! Allso checked Thelooproom; very nice. I've =20
added you.

i dont know if i'm going to use the possibility of recording back =20
into the first looper, but it would be nice to be able to.
The AB-switching wont be the problem i think, because in my proposed =20
setup both loopers' signals will allways run to the amp.
The biggest problem will be though to switch one off and the otherone =20=

on at the same time. (need 2 feet for that)

Narrowing down is good! But i'm still in the exploriation fase. Have =20
to find out whats possible first. This is my first oneman-thing (have =20=

been in multi-person-bands only)
And offcourse i want to keep it intuitive and easy.
That's why i was curious how you guys work with the possibilities and =20=

where the freedom and intuitive playfullness ends for you guys.
Maybe i should start a thread on "This is my =20
signalpath."   (including ab-switches and volumepedals)
But maybe you guys allready did that ages ago.

cheers, nathan


Op 29-mei-2007, om 20:26 heeft Stephen Scott het volgende geschreven:

> Hi Nathan, barge away,
>
> This techique of creating a short loop, then manually multiplying =20
> by re-recording into a longer loop is perfectly valid, and one that =20=

> many loopers use, myself included.  Your idea of being able to feed =20=

> the new loop back into the first looper to create another longer =20
> (or shorter) loop is commendable.  This will work fine,  you won't =20
> lose too much audio quality, but getting the timing spot-on is =20
> going to be a major headache, especially live.  Also the mechanics =20
> of physically switching the correct A-B box etc. at the right time =20
> will also prove to be a bit of a nightmare in a live situation, =20
> beware !
>
> I used to have a very complex switching system that allowed me to =20
> send a loop from one device into the input of any other device =20
> (including the front end of my guitar preamp/multiFX), which gave =20
> me lots of versatility, but slowed up the music making process too =20
> much to be of any use live.  I have simplified my rig somewhat, but =20=

> aim to simplify further so that I can concentrate more on making =20
> music and expanding ideas, rather than pushing buttons and giving =20
> less room for technological errors (live anyway).
>
> Hava look at the pics of my set up on myspace, and listen to some =20
> tracks while you're there.
>
> http://www.myspace.com/sylvianfisher

Hi everybody,

Sorry to barge into the "discussion" . I'm new here but have been
recieving the mail for a while now.
I'm Nathan from Amsterdam/The Netherlands and i have a one-manproject
with a electronic/acoustic drumkit and this instrument i made which
is like a little table with amplified basestrings on it.

I have i question for you guys, maybe you can help me.
I use a Boss RC20xl in which i feed the electronic part of my drumkit
plus the stringthing, but want to be able to run more loops.
So i am thinking of buying an rc2 to join in on the fun. The
signalpath i was thinking of is;
soundsource>looper#1>looper#2>amp, but allso from looper#1 straight
to amp(with a double jack-thingie) AND from looper#2 by means of an
AB-switch back to looper#1.
i only have to add 2 volumepedals (one for each)

this way i can **copy loops from one looper to the other and
**adjust the starting and endingpoint of them
**have a lot of possibilities to erase any
mistakes

it'll just be quite difficult to use this all with possibly only one
foot.
and yes; i would love to have an echoplex!!! but it's a lot of money
(=801333,- over here and this extra rc2 is 179,-)

o wait, the question is; is this a good idea?
the music i make is quite experimental and noisy, but good timing is
still very essential. i guess you could see my stuff as Steve Reichs
"Drumming" and then with distortion or something. :)

bye!


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Hi Sylvian,
Sounds good, =
your tracks! Allso checked Thelooproom; very nice. I've added =
you.

i dont =
know if i'm going to use the possibility of recording back into the =
first looper, but it would be nice to be able to.
The =
AB-switching wont be the problem i think, because in my proposed setup =
both loopers' signals will allways run to the amp.
The biggest =
problem will be though to switch one off and the otherone on at the same =
time. (need 2 feet for that)

Narrowing down is good! But =
i'm still in the exploriation fase. Have to find out whats =
possible=A0first. This is my first oneman-thing (have been in =
multi-person-bands only)
And offcourse i want to keep it =
intuitive and easy.=A0
That's why i was curious how you guys =
work with the possibilities and where the freedom and intuitive =
playfullness ends for you guys.
Maybe i should start a thread =
on "This is my signalpath."=A0 =A0(including ab-switches and =
volumepedals)=A0=A0
But maybe you guys allready did that ages =
ago.

cheers, =
nathan


Op =
29-mei-2007, om 20:26 heeft Stephen Scott het volgende =
geschreven:

Hi =
Nathan, barge away,
 

 
This techique of creating a =
short loop, then manually multiplying by re-recording into a longer loop =
is perfectly valid, and one that many loopers use, myself included.=A0 =
Your idea of being able to feed the new loop back into the first looper =
to create another longer (or shorter) loop is commendable.=A0 This will =
work fine,=A0 you won't lose too much audio quality, but getting the =
timing spot-on is going to be a major headache, especially live.=A0 Also =
the mechanics of physically switching the correct A-B box etc. at the =
right time will also prove to be a bit of a nightmare in a live =
situation, beware !
 

 
I used to have a very =
complex switching system that allowed me to send a loop from one device =
into the input of any other device (including the front end of my guitar =
preamp/multiFX), which gave me lots of versatility, but slowed up the =
music making process too much to be of any use live.=A0 I have =
simplified my rig somewhat, but aim to simplify further so that I can =
concentrate more on making music and expanding ideas, rather than =
pushing buttons and giving less room for technological errors (live =
anyway).
 

 
Hava look at the pics of my set up on myspace, and =
listen to some tracks while you're there.
 

 
http://www.myspace.com/sylvi=
anfisher
 

Hi everybody,

Sorry to barge into the "discussion" . I'm new here =
but have been=A0
recieving the mail for a while =
now.
I'm Nathan from Amsterdam/The =
Netherlands and i have a one-manproject=A0
with a =
electronic/acoustic drumkit and this instrument i made which=A0
is like a little table with amplified basestrings on =
it.

I have i question for you guys, maybe you can help =
me.
I use a Boss RC20xl in which i =
feed the electronic part of my drumkit=A0
plus the =
stringthing, but want to be able to run more loops.
So i am thinking of buying an rc2 to join in on the =
fun. The=A0
signalpath i was thinking of =
is;
to amp(with a double =
jack-thingie) AND from looper#2 by means of an=A0
AB-switch back to looper#1.
i only have to add 2 volumepedals (one for =
each)

this way i can **copy loops from one looper to the =
other and
**adjust the starting and =
endingpoint of them
**have a lot of =
possibilities to erase any=A0

it'll just be quite difficult to use this all with =
possibly only one=A0
foot.
and yes; i would love to have an echoplex!!! but =
it's a lot of money=A0
(=801333,- over here and =
this extra rc2 is 179,-)

o wait, the question is; is this a good =
idea?
the music i make is quite =
experimental and noisy, but good timing is=A0
still very essential. i guess you could see my stuff =
as Steve Reichs=A0
"Drumming" and then with =
distortion or something. :)

bye!

=

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if money and weight is no problem, why not use a THIRD looper?

smooth looping - tilmann

  ----- Original Message -----=20
  From: Stephen Scott=20
  To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20
  Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2007 8:26 PM
  Subject: Re: double-Boss-loop-patch


  Hi Nathan, barge away,

  This techique of creating a short loop, then manually multiplying by =
re-recording into a longer loop is perfectly valid, and one that many =
loopers use, myself included.  Your idea of being able to feed the new =
loop back into the first looper to create another longer (or shorter) =
loop is commendable.  This will work fine,  you won't lose too much =
audio quality, but getting the timing spot-on is going to be a major =
headache, especially live.  Also the mechanics of physically switching =
the correct A-B box etc. at the right time will also prove to be a bit =
of a nightmare in a live situation, beware !

  I used to have a very complex switching system that allowed me to send =
a loop from one device into the input of any other device (including the =
front end of my guitar preamp/multiFX), which gave me lots of =
versatility, but slowed up the music making process too much to be of =
any use live.  I have simplified my rig somewhat, but aim to simplify =
further so that I can concentrate more on making music and expanding =
ideas, rather than pushing buttons and giving less room for =
technological errors (live anyway).

  Hava look at the pics of my set up on myspace, and listen to some =
tracks while you're there.

  http://www.myspace.com/sylvianfisher

  Cheers, Stephen

  Nathan van Heynsbergen  wrote:

    Hi everybody,

    Sorry to barge into the "discussion" . I'm new here but have been=20
    recieving the mail for a while now.
    I'm Nathan from Amsterdam/The Netherlands and i have a =
one-manproject=20
    with a electronic/acoustic drumkit and this instrument i made which=20
    is like a little table with amplified basestrings on it.

    I have i question for you guys, maybe you can help me.
    I use a Boss RC20xl in which i feed the electronic part of my =
drumkit=20
    plus the stringthing, but want to be able to run more loops.
    So i am thinking of buying an rc2 to join in on the fun. The=20
    signalpath i was thinking of is;
    soundsource>looper#1>looper#2>amp, but allso from looper#1 straight=20
    to amp(with a double jack-thingie) AND from looper#2 by means of an=20
    AB-switch back to looper#1.
    i only have to add 2 volumepedals (one for each)

    this way i can **copy loops from one looper to the other and
    **adjust the starting and endingpoint of them
    **have a lot of possibilities to erase any=20
    mistakes

    it'll just be quite difficult to use this all with possibly only one =

    foot.
    and yes; i would love to have an echoplex!!! but it's a lot of money =

    (=E2=82=AC1333,- over here and this extra rc2 is 179,-)

    o wait, the question is; is this a good idea?
    the music i make is quite experimental and noisy, but good timing is =

    still very essential. i guess you could see my stuff as Steve Reichs =

    "Drumming" and then with distortion or something. :)

    bye!






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smooth looping - tilmann


 


  
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  Stephen =
Scott=20
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2007 = 8:26 PM
Subject: Re: = double-Boss-loop-patch

Hi Nathan, barge away,

This techique of creating = a short=20 loop, then manually multiplying by re-recording into a longer loop is=20 perfectly valid, and one that many loopers use, myself included.  = Your=20 idea of being able to feed the new loop back into the first looper to = create=20 another longer (or shorter) loop is commendable.  This will work=20 fine,  you won't lose too much audio quality, but getting the = timing=20 spot-on is going to be a major headache, especially live.  Also = the=20 mechanics of physically switching the correct A-B box etc. at the = right time=20 will also prove to be a bit of a nightmare in a live situation, beware = !

I used to have a very complex switching system that allowed = me to=20 send a loop from one device into the input of any other device = (including the=20 front end of my guitar preamp/multiFX), which gave me lots of = versatility, but=20 slowed up the music making process too much to be of any use = live.  I=20 have simplified my rig somewhat, but aim to simplify further so that I = can=20 concentrate more on making music and expanding ideas, rather than = pushing=20 buttons and giving less room for technological errors (live=20 anyway).

Hava look at the pics of my set up on myspace, and = listen to=20 some tracks while you're=20 there.

http://www.myspace.com/sylvianfisher

Cheers,=20 Stephen

Nathan van Heynsbergen=20 <nathanvanheynsbergen@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi=20 everybody,

Sorry to barge into the "discussion" . I'm new = here but=20 have been
recieving the mail for a while now.
I'm Nathan from = Amsterdam/The Netherlands and i have a one-manproject
with a=20 electronic/acoustic drumkit and this instrument i made which
is = like a=20 little table with amplified basestrings on it.

I have i = question for=20 you guys, maybe you can help me.
I use a Boss RC20xl in which i = feed the=20 electronic part of my drumkit
plus the stringthing, but want to = be able=20 to run more loops.
So i am thinking of buying an rc2 to join in = on the=20 fun. The
signalpath i was thinking of=20 is;
soundsource>looper#1>looper#2>amp, but allso from = looper#1=20 straight
to amp(with a double jack-thingie) AND from looper#2 by = means=20 of an
AB-switch back to looper#1.
i only have to add 2 = volumepedals=20 (one for each)

this way i can **copy loops from one looper to = the=20 other and
**adjust the starting and endingpoint of them
**have = a lot=20 of possibilities to erase any
mistakes

it'll just be = quite=20 difficult to use this all with possibly only one
foot.
and = yes; i=20 would love to have an echoplex!!! but it's a lot of money =
(=E2=82=AC1333,- over=20 here and this extra rc2 is 179,-)

o wait, the question is; is = this a=20 good idea?
the music i make is quite experimental and noisy, but = good=20 timing is
still very essential. i guess you could see my stuff = as Steve=20 Reichs
"Drumming" and then with distortion or something.=20 :)

bye!


Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life? Nope! - their life, your = story.
Play = Sims=20 Stories at Yahoo! Games. ------=_NextPart_000_002C_01C7A23E.9EE1D1E0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 29 20:14:46 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1D9523BEDD; Tue, 29 May 2007 20:14:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: AW: double-Boss-loop-patch Date: Tue, 29 May 2007 22:15:01 +0200 Organization: Moinlabs Message-ID: <001f01c7a22e$09ec39a0$1001a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <622AEC40-CDC2-4262-8158-4EC3B30E539D@gmail.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 thread-index: Acehhlu6AeF79BzBQ+WcdNl8JuO/yAApmyHQ X-RZG-AUTH: lUESeo99iNzPL8kuBgLYdKEqUywq9cxqeRA+BtFcSCD5deQ7OIJb4aJt X-RZG-CLASS-ID: mo07 Resent-Message-ID: <5jPAkD.A.dGE.1mIXGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70540 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 29 May 2007 20:14:46 +0000 (UTC) > I have i question for you guys, maybe you can help me. > I use a Boss RC20xl in which i feed the electronic part of my > drumkit plus the stringthing, but want to be able to run more loops. > So i am thinking of buying an rc2 to join in on the fun. The > signalpath i was thinking of is; > soundsource>looper#1>looper#2>amp, but allso from looper#1 straight > to amp(with a double jack-thingie) AND from looper#2 by means > of an AB-switch back to looper#1. > i only have to add 2 volumepedals (one for each) Personally, I tried something simliar with a Line6 DL4 and a Boss DD20 and a volume pedal, the setup looking like this: The Boss DD20 is set up so it sends the dry signal to the left output and the wet signal to the right one. With that, it looks like this: (Left): Soundsource->DL4->DD20->Mains (Right): DL4->DD20->Volume Pedal->Back to DL4. The fun here is that the DL4 (in looper mode) and the DD20 (in normal delay mode) complement each other nicely; the DL4 does oneshot, reverse, halfspeed and has an additional delay, with the DD20, you can do unrounded multiply without the need to use both loopers. But then again, I found that restricting myself to one rather simple looper (currently, mainly the DD20) also adds to the fun - and if I want the whole crazyness, I use Mobius (although I think about the Repeater's new OS...) Rainer From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 29 20:32:36 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CCBD13BEDD; Tue, 29 May 2007 20:32:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <20070524222105.832943BF0F@arsenic.violacea.com> References: <20070524222105.832943BF0F@arsenic.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <55CCC185-6074-4603-9B20-E3C03B7364C8@zerocrossing.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Mark Sottilaro Subject: AW: looking for looper that syncs to real drums Date: Tue, 29 May 2007 13:32:12 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70541 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 29 May 2007 20:32:36 +0000 (UTC) Maybe the key is to have both of you play to a click track and have the device producing the click also send MIDI clock to your synced looper. I know you have a budget, but I say spend wisely and you'll spend once. There are some decent wireless in ear monitor systems these days that are pretty reasonably priced. Mark On May 24, 2007, at 3:21 PM, Jens Wolters wrote: > Max you have the old Lexicon JamMan? Why do you like that one ? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 29 20:49:58 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 87C643BEC1; Tue, 29 May 2007 20:49:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <46572779.2040108@yale.edu> References: <46572779.2040108@yale.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <9DBB472D-1E8A-4A8A-B290-7E6DCF4C14A6@zerocrossing.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Mark Sottilaro Subject: Re: roland handsonic Date: Tue, 29 May 2007 13:49:34 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70542 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 29 May 2007 20:49:58 +0000 (UTC) I've never used it's clock, but I've had it's "roll" function and sequencer synced to another clock (that was also synced to a Repeater) and it worked like a charm, but was a little tricky to set up. As a way to add percussion to loops without dealing with tricky mic setups and possible feedback issues, it's great. Mark On May 25, 2007, at 11:14 AM, Patrick Holmes wrote: > Hi all, I'm thinking about investing in a Roland Handsonic to add > some beats to my loops for live performances. I'm using a BOSS > RC-50 loopstation and was curious if anyone had any experiences > they could share. Has anyone had any luck slaving the midi clock in > the handsonic to the loops you've created on the RC-50? Thanks for > your thoughts -Pat > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 29 22:16:14 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DB5253BED3; Tue, 29 May 2007 22:16:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=Bt1+3ZifN02N9PJgY+gRMD5ySl0hXRjkJqTeDSUUwLhHPrsuy5W1osqnYfgfkFlfxo4ReRksq5WfalQ73Y3YfnLLJerc/Nd/PEtIDFm0fbcQ+Ma5sRd4htG6r+XL020AeGon3O0pLwd9+EHig7OQkYrYOkEyDEsOx3qKw5qOzsk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=sjGNp09SvDwhmJUKKU2L91hRJnxKOXOcDfKNzqFToT2dWsvwGuxWz9lRk2+NONAHOGCt+SfJfdmfNty2QMAvZzulGwSTCNUL22KCe48dPXepQq1HOLl8qFRKJs5iICLcfQ7ixAurEfOvI2DfLjAABh8EZ5heSJK72ciYNZL2H5g= Message-ID: <4759e5740705291516see2e637ic2f604bd643cf4c1@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 29 May 2007 18:16:12 -0400 From: "todd reynolds" Reply-To: todd@toddreynolds.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: looking for looper that syncs to real drums In-Reply-To: <55CCC185-6074-4603-9B20-E3C03B7364C8@zerocrossing.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_165962_30729350.1180476972432" References: <20070524222105.832943BF0F@arsenic.violacea.com> <55CCC185-6074-4603-9B20-E3C03B7364C8@zerocrossing.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70543 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 29 May 2007 22:16:14 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_165962_30729350.1180476972432 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline I cannot strongly enough echo Mark's sentiments. if you're going to get ears though, do get the very best of the prosumer models, IMHO it's the sennheiser G2 ew300's... I own and use both In-Ears and the Wireless transmitter models. I'm very happy with them both. and if you are going to buy them, I offer up my connection who i've dealt with for years, which is not only an exclusive wireless system carrier, but whose prices I've found to be extremely competitive. all best, todd On 5/29/07, Mark Sottilaro wrote: > > Maybe the key is to have both of you play to a click track and have > the device producing the click also send MIDI clock to your synced > looper. I know you have a budget, but I say spend wisely and you'll > spend once. There are some decent wireless in ear monitor systems > these days that are pretty reasonably priced. > > Mark > > On May 24, 2007, at 3:21 PM, Jens Wolters wrote: > > > Max you have the old Lexicon JamMan? Why do you like that one ? > > -- http://www.toddreynolds.com |: http://myspace.com/toddreynoldsmusic |: ------------------------------------------------------|: 917.576.6166 todd@toddreynolds.com toddreyn@gmail.com ------=_Part_165962_30729350.1180476972432 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline I cannot strongly enough echo Mark's sentiments. 

if you're going to get ears though, do get the very best of the prosumer models, IMHO it's the sennheiser G2 ew300's...  I  own and use both In-Ears and the Wireless transmitter models.  I'm very happy with them both.

and if you are going to buy them, I offer up my connection who i've dealt with for years, which is not only an exclusive wireless system carrier, but whose prices I've found to be extremely competitive.

all best,

todd


On 5/29/07, Mark Sottilaro <sine@zerocrossing.net> wrote:
Maybe the key is to have both of you play to a click track and have
the device producing the click also send MIDI clock to your synced
looper.  I know you have a budget, but I say spend wisely and you'll
spend once.  There are some decent wireless in ear monitor systems
these days that are pretty reasonably priced.

Mark

On May 24, 2007, at 3:21 PM, Jens Wolters wrote:

> Max you have the old Lexicon JamMan? Why do you like that one ?




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toddreyn@gmail.com ------=_Part_165962_30729350.1180476972432-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 29 23:43:24 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 360683BED6; Tue, 29 May 2007 23:43:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <200705292343.l4TNhJmd003416@mail.cruzio.com> Reply-To: From: "William Walker" To: Subject: RPTR users Rejoice and Loop!! Date: Tue, 29 May 2007 16:43:21 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_005B_01C7A210.77E41040" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Thread-Index: AceiSyQftLsYxUCBSg6XpLP7y2jWWw== X-Spam-Flag: YES X-Spam-Status: Yes, score=1.3 required=1.0 tests=AWL,DYN_RDNS_SHORT_HELO_HTML, FH_HOST_EQ_D_D_D_D,HTML_MESSAGE,MISSING_MID,RDNS_DYNAMIC autolearn=disabled version=3.2.0 X-Spam-Report: * 0.0 MISSING_MID Missing Message-Id: header * 2.0 FH_HOST_EQ_D_D_D_D Host starts with d-d-d-d * 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message * 0.1 RDNS_DYNAMIC Delivered to trusted network by host with * dynamic-looking rDNS * 0.3 DYN_RDNS_SHORT_HELO_HTML Sent by dynamic rDNS, short HELO, and HTML * -1.1 AWL AWL: From: address is in the auto white-list X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.0 (2007-05-01) on mail.cruzio.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70544 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 29 May 2007 23:43:24 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_005B_01C7A210.77E41040 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey gang, I have been able to obtain an advanced copy of the Repeater version 2.01 upgrade, and though I haven't had but a few hours to play with it, I'm very impressed with what I have found so far. First of all, the noisy artifacts at the output stage have disappeared. I have always used the Dry/mute function to work around this quirk, but I could not tell the difference between the input signal muted or unmated. It was that clean sounding. Also gone are the end of loop artifacts and the multiply function artifacts that would cause the unit to slow down or speed up if you weren't careful on punch outs, or when you were creating a first loop when synced to an external clock. New features include a panic button/reset function that allows you reset the repeater from a midi controller in the event the unit freezes up. No more reaching around behind the RPTR to turn off the power. This is convenient for anyone who has to play the occasional brown power gig like an outdoor event running off an overtaxed generator. The Midi clock seems more stable, as do the CC functions, its cool there is a tempo reset function, particularly when you use a cc pedal to play with tempo and time stretch like I do. Like I said I have only scratched the surface, and haven't taken the time to redesign some of my foot controller presets to take advantage of new features like independent track reverse, stop and start. I'll try to keep everyone abreast as I learn more. I am so happy this has happened as there are some many great things about the Repeater that are unique and yet some of its quirks kept it from being what it could have been.. I think many of those issues have been fixed, and I am excited to dig deeper in to the new feature set. I'll keep you posted Bill ------=_NextPart_000_005B_01C7A210.77E41040 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hey gang, I have been able to obtain an advanced copy = of the Repeater version 2.01 upgrade, and though I haven’t had but a few = hours to play with it, I’m very impressed with what I have found so far. = First of all, the noisy artifacts at the output stage have disappeared. I have = always used the Dry/mute function to work around this quirk, but I could not = tell the difference between the input signal muted or unmated. It was that clean sounding. Also gone are the end of loop artifacts and the multiply = function artifacts that would cause the unit to slow down or speed up if you = weren’t careful on punch outs, or when you were creating a first loop when = synced to an external clock. New features include a panic button/reset function that = allows you reset the repeater from a midi controller in the event the unit = freezes up. No more reaching around behind the RPTR to turn off the power. This is convenient for anyone who has to play the occasional brown power gig = like an outdoor event running off an overtaxed generator.  The Midi clock seems more stable, as do the CC functions, its cool there is a = tempo reset function, particularly when you use a cc pedal to play with tempo and = time stretch like I do. Like I said I have only scratched the surface, and = haven’t taken the time to redesign some of my foot controller presets to take = advantage of new features like independent track reverse, stop and start. = I’ll try to keep everyone abreast as I learn more. I am so happy this has = happened as there are some many great things about the Repeater that are unique and = yet some of its quirks kept it from being what it could have been..  I = think many of those issues have been fixed, and I am excited to dig deeper in = to the new feature set.

 I’ll keep you = posted

Bill

------=_NextPart_000_005B_01C7A210.77E41040-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 29 23:47:30 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0BA3E3BED3; Tue, 29 May 2007 23:47:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com In-Reply-To: <010101c7a17f$d6f50990$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> References: <010101c7a17f$d6f50990$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <5CE89903-FADF-49B2-8523-C52A2A0CFB59@zerocrossing.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Mark Sottilaro Subject: Re: repeater looped vocals Date: Tue, 29 May 2007 16:47:05 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70545 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 29 May 2007 23:47:29 +0000 (UTC) I don't think they're arrhythmic... I think she just knows her tune so well she's probably thinking the hand clapping part when she's singing the first bit. Probably watching the Repeater's tempo light too. My wife and I saw her in SF a few months ago and we were blown away. One of the best live shows we've seen. Mark On May 28, 2007, at 4:28 PM, RICK WALKER wrote: > This is a beautiful clip. > > I'm am fatally curious..................how on earth can she make > an initial repeater > loop of fairly arhythmic vocals and then come back and perfectly > play a 16 note > hand clapping ostinato that syncs with it? > > Any ideas folks?..................I'd love to do this as I'm > generally relegated to playing > a rhythmic loop first for multiple track over dubs. > > It's pretty amazing that our own Zoe Keating and Andrew Chaiken > (aka Kid Beyond) > have toured with this wonderful artist! > > yeah us! > > rick walker From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 30 01:56:38 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 95C673BEDC; Wed, 30 May 2007 01:56:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Tue, 29 May 2007 21:58:44 -0400 From: Bill Fox Subject: The AM/FM Show Playlist for May 26, 2007 To: undisclosed-recipients: ; Message-id: <465CDA54.6010506@soundscapes.us> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.10 (Windows/20070221) Resent-Message-ID: <2FVeZB.A.axG.VnNXGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70546 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 01:56:38 +0000 (UTC) http://soundscapes.us/amfm/playlists/2007/070526.html I host the Saturday AM/FM Show every other week where I play electronic, ambient, spacemusic, Progressive Rock, and an eclectic mix of other genres. The show airs from 6:00 am to 8:00 am on WMUH Allentown, 91.7 FM and on the internet. I also host Afterglow every Thursday from 8:00 am to 9:30 am. Show #109 May 26, 2006. During Phase I of this show, I continued the special on the sampler CDs that come with each issue of E-dition electronic music magazine. I also played the music of artists who will be appearing at the electro-music festival on June 1, 2, and 3. Phase I/Space: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ==================== ==================== ============================== VA [Bruno InTRO E-dition #13 (Groove) Sanfilippo] VA [Eloy Fritsch] Shiva E-dition #13 (Groove) VA [Spielerei] Tradition E-dition #13 (Groove) VA [Fluorescent FX Randomizer Electro Music 07 Grey] (electro-music media) VA [Astrogenic Tangled Nierarchy Electro Music 07 Hallucinauting] (electro-music media) Kurt Michaels Lamb Chop Outer Worlds (Umbrello) Broekhuis, Keller, Orange One Orange (Manikin) and Schonwalder Phase II/Eclectic: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ==================== ==================== ============================== Nakai and Bar-David Omaha Song Voyagers (Canyon) Michael Fitzsimmons Cascade Water Flows Over Me (none) Margie Adam Seahorse Portal (Pleiades) Ensemble Deneb Baroque Ensemble Baroque Ensemble No. 1-5 No. 1 (Solstice) Phase III/Progressive Rock: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ==================== ==================== ============================== The Third Ending Can You Hear Me? The Third Ending (Progrock) Kaipa The Fleeting Angling Feelings (InsideOut) Existence of Time Planet X Quantum Factor Quantum (InsideOut) Unitopia Justify More Than A Dream (Unicorn) * = excerpt ++ = Advanced CDR from artist VA = Various Artists (compilation) I return to the AM/FM Show on June 2. On the next show, I will continue the special on the sampler CDs that come with each issue of E-dition electronic music magazine and feature some of the artists playing at the electro-music festival, which runs on June 1, 2, and 3. Bill ====================================================================== Host of the AM/FM Show every other Saturday at 6:00 am EST (GMT-5:00). Phase 1: Electronic, ambient, and space music to bring you back from "Beyond the Barriers." Phase 2: Mixed bag of acoustic, electric, pop, or New Age. Phase 3: Progressive rock from past masters to contemporary releases. Web Site - http://soundscapes.us/amfm Listen to WMUH Allentown locally at 91.7 FM or on-line at http://www.muhlenberg.edu/wmuh and click the REAL AUDIO link or go directly to rtsp://helix.muhlenberg.edu:554/broadcast/live.rm Playlists are also published at http://billfox.blogspot.com RSS (2.0) feed from http://billfox.blogspot.com/rss.xml Atom (0.3) feed from http://billfox.blogspot.com/atom.xml ====================================================================== The progdj list is the central clearing house for radio playlists of Progressive Rock programs. Tired of joining dozens of mailing lists to post playlists or track airplay? The progdj list solves that problem. The progdj list is the place to go in order to see playlists and CD and concert reviews by DJs of progressive rock-friendly radio programs. Anyone interested in seeing playlists can join. There is NO SPAM because I keep the spammers out before the members ever see any hint of it. The progdj list is for DJs (obviously!) and band members, record label personnel, promoters, managers, and anyone else interested in seeing what gets played on the air. Need to find who is playing prog on the radio? Go to the progdj list. To join, go to http://groups.yahoo.com/group/progdj and click on the [Join This Group!] link. ====================================================================== From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 30 02:09:43 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D19363BEDA; Wed, 30 May 2007 02:09:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [69.228.95.44] X-Originating-Email: [yasi_p@hotmail.com] X-Sender: yasi_p@hotmail.com From: "yasi p" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: delay time control signals Date: Tue, 29 May 2007 19:09:39 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 May 2007 02:09:41.0991 (UTC) FILETIME=[95AA5770:01C7A25F] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70547 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 02:09:43 +0000 (UTC) Hi everyone, I haven't been subbed to LD for five or six years, but I've just started controlling delay time with complex CV signals, and I've come up with several questions that I couldn't find answers to in the archive. Hope I'm not asking anything that's been discussed to death So far I've tried mixing several VCLFOs, switching between them at a VC-rate, hard-syncing them, and some smooth random CVs.. I've tried deriving CVs for these messes by analysing the input signal (so far only amplitude and frequency). I'm very excited by the results. Is anyone else here trying similar things? I had imagined it's quite common, but haven't found any relevant text I started building a little circuit recreating the CV generation I've found useful so far. I plan to use this as a platform to explore more application specific CV generation. Are there any commercial CV generators intended specifically for the voltage control of delay time?? Are there delay/looper units that offer voltage control over loop start and end points? or direct control over the pointer position?? or other parameters directly related to the temporal behavior?? I know of Peter Blasser's digital memory units; and the Harvestman unit that's still in proto. any others? What are typical ranges on delay time modulation?? In these experiments I've been using a Deltalab Effectron II. Does this exibit typical behavior for VC delay time? are there units with divergent implementations of VC delay time? Thanks in advance, glad to be subbed again, Yasi _________________________________________________________________ PC Magazine’s 2007 editors’ choice for best Web mail—award-winning Windows Live Hotmail. http://imagine-windowslive.com/hotmail/?locale=en-us&ocid=TXT_TAGHM_migration_HM_mini_pcmag_0507 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 30 02:14:32 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 140B13BEEA; Wed, 30 May 2007 02:14:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com References: <465CDA54.6010506@soundscapes.us> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: The AM/FM Show Playlist for May 26, 2007 Date: Tue, 29 May 2007 22:14:16 -0400 In-Reply-To: <465CDA54.6010506@soundscapes.us> X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 From: dennymc@aol.com X-MB-Message-Type: User Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"; format=flowed X-Mailer: AOL WebMail 27481 Message-Id: <8C970775B7D4F40-F10-96E7@WEBMAIL-MC06.sysops.aol.com> X-AOL-IP: 64.12.170.83 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70548 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 02:14:32 +0000 (UTC) how can i get this program on the internet? i clicked on the "listen to=20 wmuh" link, and i got 'unsupported broadcast". please help. thanks, d. -----Original Message----- From: Bill Fox To: undisclosed-recipients: ; Sent: Tue, 29 May 2007 9:58 pm Subject: The AM/FM Show Playlist for May 26, 2007 http://soundscapes.us/amfm/playlists/2007/070526.html=C2=A0 =C2=A0 I host the Saturday AM/FM Show every other week where I play=20 electronic,=C2=A0 ambient, spacemusic, Progressive Rock, and an eclectic mix of other=C2=A0 genres. The show airs from 6:00 am to 8:00 am on WMUH Allentown, 91.7=C2= =A0 FM and on the internet. I also host Afterglow every Thursday from 8:00=C2= =A0 am to 9:30 am.=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Show #109 May 26, 2006.=C2=A0 =C2=A0 During Phase I of this show, I continued the special on the sampler CDs=C2= =A0 that come with each issue of E-dition electronic music magazine. I=20 also=C2=A0 played the music of artists who will be appearing at the electro-music=C2= =A0 festival on June 1, 2, and 3.=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Phase I/Space:=C2=A0 =C2=A0 ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label)=C2=A0 =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=20 =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=C2=A0 VA [Bruno InTRO E-dition #13 (Groove)=C2=A0 =C2=A0Sanfilippo]=C2=A0 VA [Eloy Fritsch] Shiva E-dition #13 (Groove)=C2=A0 VA [Spielerei] Tradition E-dition #13 (Groove)=C2=A0 VA [Fluorescent FX Randomizer Electro Music 07=C2=A0 =C2=A0Grey] (electro-music media)=C2=A0 VA [Astrogenic Tangled Nierarchy Electro Music 07=C2=A0 =C2=A0Hallucinauting] (electro-music media)=C2=A0 Kurt Michaels Lamb Chop Outer Worlds (Umbrello)=C2=A0 Broekhuis, Keller, Orange One Orange (Manikin)=C2=A0 =C2=A0and Schonwalder=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Phase II/Eclectic:=C2=A0 =C2=A0 ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label)=C2=A0 =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=20 =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=C2=A0 Nakai and Bar-David Omaha Song Voyagers (Canyon)=C2=A0 Michael Fitzsimmons Cascade Water Flows Over Me (none)=C2=A0 Margie Adam Seahorse Portal (Pleiades)=C2=A0 Ensemble Deneb Baroque Ensemble Baroque Ensemble No. 1-5=C2=A0 =C2=A0 No. 1 (Solstice)=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Phase III/Progressive Rock:=C2=A0 =C2=A0 ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label)=C2=A0 =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=20 =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=C2=A0 The Third Ending Can You Hear Me? The Third Ending (Progrock)=C2=A0 Kaipa The Fleeting Angling Feelings (InsideOut)=C2= =A0 =C2=A0 Existence of Time=C2=A0 Planet X Quantum Factor Quantum (InsideOut)=C2=A0 Unitopia Justify More Than A Dream (Unicorn)=C2=A0 =C2=A0 * =3D excerpt=C2=A0 ++ =3D Advanced CDR from artist=C2=A0 VA =3D Various Artists (compilation)=C2=A0 =C2=A0 I return to the AM/FM Show on June 2.=C2=A0 =C2=A0 On the next show, I will continue the special on the sampler CDs that=C2=A0 come with each issue of E-dition electronic music magazine and feature=C2= =A0 some of the artists playing at the electro-music festival, which runs=20 on=C2=A0 June 1, 2, and 3.=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Bill=C2=A0 =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=C2=A0 Host of the AM/FM Show every other Saturday at 6:00 am EST (GMT-5:00).=C2= =A0 Phase 1: Electronic, ambient, and space music to bring you back from=C2=A0 "Beyond the Barriers."=C2=A0 Phase 2: Mixed bag of acoustic, electric, pop, or New Age.=C2=A0 Phase 3: Progressive rock from past masters to contemporary releases.=C2=A0 Web Site - http://soundscapes.us/amfm=C2=A0 Listen to WMUH Allentown locally at 91.7 FM or on-line at=C2=A0 http://www.muhlenberg.edu/wmuh and click the=C2=A0 REAL AUDIO link or go directly to=C2=A0 rtsp://helix.muhlenberg.edu:554/broadcast/live.rm=C2=A0 Playlists are also published at http://billfox.blogspot.com=C2=A0 RSS (2.0) feed from http://billfox.blogspot.com/rss.xml=C2=A0 Atom (0.3) feed from http://billfox.blogspot.com/atom.xml=C2=A0 =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=C2=A0 The progdj list is the central clearing house for radio playlists of=C2=A0 Progressive Rock programs. 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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 30 09:02:09 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CEF593BED0; Wed, 30 May 2007 09:02:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [86.133.27.127] X-Originating-Email: [rachelclutterbuck@hotmail.com] X-Sender: rachelclutterbuck@hotmail.com From: "Rachel Clutterbuck" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Query regarding Boss RC20XL Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 09:02:03 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 May 2007 09:02:07.0042 (UTC) FILETIME=[32DD7A20:01C7A299] Resent-Message-ID: <5PoR8.A.QnB.Q2TXGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70551 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 09:02:08 +0000 (UTC) Can anyone give advice on looping vocals thru a Boss RC20XL? I use my loop station to loop electro-acoustic guitar, percussion (djembe,shaker,etc) and vocals. When at home playing thru my pedal and amp it all sounds lovely - the vocals are crisp, but when playing out thru a PA - the vocals thru the pedal are so muffled it's almost not worth doing! How can i fix this? Do I need an external mixer to plug into the pedal - so I can alter the tone of the vocals before they get to the PA? Or someone told me something about the PA sending the loop signal backwards... If anyone has any advice I would really appreciate it - am really stuck! Thanks Rachel (www.myspace.com/rachelbythestream) _________________________________________________________________ Txt a lot? Get Messenger FREE on your mobile. https://livemessenger.mobile.uk.msn.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 30 12:14:25 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 29C973BEDB; Wed, 30 May 2007 12:14:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 08:16:25 -0400 From: Bill Fox Subject: Re: The AM/FM Show Playlist for May 26, 2007 In-reply-to: <18083840.1180492430531.JavaMail.root@m11> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Cc: Joe Swanson Message-id: <465D6B19.2090007@soundscapes.us> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit References: <465CDA54.6010506@soundscapes.us> <18083840.1180492430531.JavaMail.root@m11> User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.10 (Windows/20070221) Resent-Message-ID: <7g4w7C.A.XK.gqWXGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70552 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 12:14:25 +0000 (UTC) dennymc@aol.com wrote: > how can i get this program on the internet? i clicked on the "listen > to wmuh" link, and i got 'unsupported broadcast". please help. Hi Denny, Thanks for your interest in listening to WMUH. I'm not sure how to help you because when I click on that link, my RealPlayer comes up and starts playing. Do you have a RealPlayer? If not, WMUH shows this link to help out: I also found this on the WMUH home page: > If the Microphone does not give you a live feed, click on the > following link. For Windows and other players > http://www.muhlenberg.edu/wmuh/WMUH.ram > Please let me know if this helps. Cheers, Bill > -----Original Message----- > From: Bill Fox > ====================================================================== > Host of the AM/FM Show every other Saturday at 6:00 am EST (GMT-5:00). > Phase 1: Electronic, ambient, and space music to bring you back from > "Beyond the Barriers." > Phase 2: Mixed bag of acoustic, electric, pop, or New Age. > Phase 3: Progressive rock from past masters to contemporary releases. > Web Site - http://soundscapes.us/amfm > > Listen to WMUH Allentown locally at 91.7 FM or on-line at > http://www.muhlenberg.edu/wmuh and click the > REAL AUDIO link or go directly to > rtsp://helix.muhlenberg.edu:554/broadcast/live.rm > Playlists are also published at http://billfox.blogspot.com > RSS (2.0) feed from http://billfox.blogspot.com/rss.xml > Atom (0.3) feed from http://billfox.blogspot.com/atom.xml > ====================================================================== From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 30 12:24:41 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8EFB23BEE0; Wed, 30 May 2007 12:24:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 08:26:36 -0400 From: Bill Fox Subject: Re: Query regarding Boss RC20XL In-reply-to: <15727764.1180515924145.JavaMail.root@m11> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <465D6D7C.7080808@soundscapes.us> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit References: <15727764.1180515924145.JavaMail.root@m11> User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.10 (Windows/20070221) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70553 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 12:24:41 +0000 (UTC) Rachel Clutterbuck wrote: > Can anyone give advice on looping vocals thru a Boss RC20XL? I use my > loop station to loop electro-acoustic guitar, percussion > (djembe,shaker,etc) and vocals. When at home playing thru my pedal > and amp it all sounds lovely - the vocals are crisp, but when playing > out thru a PA - the vocals thru the pedal are so muffled it's almost > not worth doing! > How can i fix this? > Do I need an external mixer to plug into the pedal - so I can alter > the tone of the vocals before they get to the PA? Or someone told me > something about the PA sending the loop signal backwards... > If anyone has any advice I would really appreciate it - am really stuck! Hi Rachel, When you're at home, what mic are you using? What amp are you using? Where is the speaker placed? Is it facing you? Is it at ear level or on the floor pointing at your knees? What connections are you making between mic, looper, and amp? Now please describe the same thing when you're playing through a PA. In theory, you shouldn't be having a problem but a crappy PA in a good room or a good PA in a crappy room can make you think things are muffled from on stage when they're clear to the audience. Or things could truely be muffled. If your guitar and percussion work fine, then your voice should be OK, too, especially if you're following the exact same procedures that you follow at home. In addition to the mains (the speakers pointing at the audience), are there monitors (the speakers pointing at you on stage)? Cheers, Bill Fox http://mysoace.com/billfox From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 30 13:43:25 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7B4B13BEEC; Wed, 30 May 2007 13:43:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <1180532604.465d7f7c016d6@webmail.freedom2surf.net> Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 14:43:24 +0100 From: ultra@f2s.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Right Loop Pedal MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.2.3 X-Originating-IP: 195.194.240.65 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70554 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 13:43:25 +0000 (UTC) Just bought a Boss RC20XL and started to realise it might not really meet my needs. Basically what I want to be able to do is dub in basslines with an octave pedal and then play guitar parts over them, whilst keeping all this in time with a live drummer. The drummer is the tricky bit - although the pedal is great at adding a metronome to your loop automatically, it only has one output, so the only way I can send the click to the drummer is by adding it to the whole mix and thus what the audience hears. SO - what I'm looking for is a looper that will add a metronome like the boss does but enable me to send it through an aux/headphone out I can pass it on to my drummer without adding it to the main mix. Does such a pedal exist? Looking for the cheapest option! Many thanks! -- http://myspace.com/infancy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 30 14:04:49 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CE5A13BEF3; Wed, 30 May 2007 14:04:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com References: <465CDA54.6010506@soundscapes.us> <18083840.1180492430531.JavaMail.root@m11> <465D6B19.2090007@soundscapes.us> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: The AM/FM Show Playlist for May 26, 2007 Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 10:04:32 -0400 In-Reply-To: <465D6B19.2090007@soundscapes.us> X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 From: dennymc@aol.com X-MB-Message-Type: User Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"; format=flowed X-Mailer: AOL WebMail 27481 Message-Id: <8C970DA94A29E2C-228-A573@WEBMAIL-DF21.sysops.aol.com> X-AOL-IP: 205.188.104.85 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70555 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 14:04:49 +0000 (UTC) thanks. d. -----Original Message----- From: Bill Fox To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Cc: Joe Swanson Sent: Wed, 30 May 2007 8:16 am Subject: Re: The AM/FM Show Playlist for May 26, 2007 dennymc@aol.com wrote:=C2=A0 > how can i get this program on the internet? i clicked on the "listen > to wmuh" link, and i got 'unsupported broadcast". please help.=C2=A0 Hi Denny,=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Thanks for your interest in listening to WMUH. I'm not sure how to=20 help you because when I click on that link, my RealPlayer comes up and=20 starts playing. Do you have a RealPlayer? If not, WMUH shows this link to help out:=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 I also found this on the WMUH home page:=C2=A0 > If the Microphone does not give you a live feed, click on the > following link. For Windows and other players=C2=A0 > http://www.muhlenberg.edu/wmuh/WMUH.ram > =C2=A0 Please let me know if this helps.=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Cheers,=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Bill=C2=A0 > -----Original Message-----=C2=A0 > From: Bill Fox =C2=A0 >=20 =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=C2=A0 > Host of the AM/FM Show every other Saturday at 6:00 am EST=20 (GMT-5:00).=C2=A0 > Phase 1: Electronic, ambient, and space music to bring you back from=C2= =A0 > "Beyond the Barriers."=C2=A0 > Phase 2: Mixed bag of acoustic, electric, pop, or New Age.=C2=A0 > Phase 3: Progressive rock from past masters to contemporary releases.=C2= =A0 > Web Site - http://soundscapes.us/amfm=C2=A0 >=C2=A0 > Listen to WMUH Allentown locally at 91.7 FM or on-line at=C2=A0 > http://www.muhlenberg.edu/wmuh and click the=C2=A0 > REAL AUDIO link or go directly to=C2=A0 > rtsp://helix.muhlenberg.edu:554/broadcast/live.rm=C2=A0 > Playlists are also published at http://billfox.blogspot.com=C2=A0 > RSS (2.0) feed from http://billfox.blogspot.com/rss.xml=C2=A0 > Atom (0.3) feed from http://billfox.blogspot.com/atom.xml=C2=A0 >=20 =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=C2=A0 =C2=A0 ________________________________________________________________________ AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free=20 from AOL at AOL.com. =3D0 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 30 14:06:30 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5E23B3BF01; Wed, 30 May 2007 14:06:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.no; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=xRteNkQsa/+2cmHQVJZ2T4xpg5IJ/pedX/Um+NX3Ux4/4CZUgwcwRYOQDnprI13o0KzIAs0WWqSKmmdbXWR4TQA1j3l1lCDPjNTWUE8v2pfvjiSVDMm1ER5JHIjSipJYPaCkUWhr9OA5VfSO4dDvPYPFr6Jzb47+boVetlQJzqA=; X-YMail-OSG: z9cEch8VM1mS4SxH1pVx0xF6ydskPkCnXypNhQWIjUJu4BJdbDF2K2Eb8CctgntVru0um_6FMKZxgqmdwMy5eTGWp1XHoyIJskkap6eUQubEkbG4SSJM.D0QvcsggRwLrJpHwqYoompMHA-- Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 16:06:26 +0200 (CEST) From: rune fagereng Subject: re: Right Loop Pedal To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <1180532604.465d7f7c016d6@webmail.freedom2surf.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <14700.87427.qm@web26211.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: <7ZYXbD.A.lOG.mTYXGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70556 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 14:06:30 +0000 (UTC) Hi ! The last time I jammed I had my mac playing beats/loops with ableton software. The drummer controlled the volum with a mixer -but everybody could hear the beats. My hardwaresampler - the repeater was in midisync with ableton (connected with Motu travler interface). Now I am thinking of buying a midicontroller for drums - so the drummer can change loops or sound of the mac and ableton (scenes) with the miditrigger - since I have enough gear to deal with allready. For loops that I dont want "in time" I use the Line 6 dl4. Rune F. --- ultra@f2s.com skrev: > Just bought a Boss RC20XL and started to realise it > might not really meet my > needs. > > Basically what I want to be able to do is dub in > basslines with an octave pedal > and then play guitar parts over them, whilst keeping > all this in time with a > live drummer. > > The drummer is the tricky bit - although the pedal > is great at adding a > metronome to your loop automatically, it only has > one output, so the only way I > can send the click to the drummer is by adding it to > the whole mix and thus what > the audience hears. > > SO - what I'm looking for is a looper that will add > a metronome like the boss > does but enable me to send it through an > aux/headphone out I can pass it on to > my drummer without adding it to the main mix. > > Does such a pedal exist? Looking for the cheapest > option! Many thanks! > > -- > http://myspace.com/infancy > > _________________________________________________________ Alt i én. Få Yahoo! Mail med adressekartotek, kalender og notisblokk. http://no.mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 30 14:15:22 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8527C3BEFF; Wed, 30 May 2007 14:15:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <1180534521.465d86f98fc39@webmail.freedom2surf.net> Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 15:15:21 +0100 From: ultra@f2s.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: re: Right Loop Pedal References: <14700.87427.qm@web26211.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <14700.87427.qm@web26211.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.2.3 X-Originating-IP: 195.194.240.65 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70557 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 14:15:22 +0000 (UTC) Sounds cool but ideally I'd like to avoid having to use a computer - would prefer the simplicity of a pedal based solution if there is one... having to worry about a laptop + soundcard in addition to all my guitar gear would just be too much like hard work! Quoting rune fagereng : > Hi ! > > The last time I jammed I had my mac playing > beats/loops with ableton software. The drummer > controlled the volum with a mixer -but everybody could > hear the beats. My hardwaresampler - the repeater was > in midisync with ableton (connected with Motu travler > interface). Now I am thinking of buying a > midicontroller for drums - so the drummer can change > loops or sound of the mac and ableton (scenes) with > the miditrigger - since I have enough gear to deal > with allready. For loops that I dont want "in time" I > use the Line 6 dl4. > > Rune F. > > > --- ultra@f2s.com skrev: > > > Just bought a Boss RC20XL and started to realise it > > might not really meet my > > needs. > > > > Basically what I want to be able to do is dub in > > basslines with an octave pedal > > and then play guitar parts over them, whilst keeping > > all this in time with a > > live drummer. > > > > The drummer is the tricky bit - although the pedal > > is great at adding a > > metronome to your loop automatically, it only has > > one output, so the only way I > > can send the click to the drummer is by adding it to > > the whole mix and thus what > > the audience hears. > > > > SO - what I'm looking for is a looper that will add > > a metronome like the boss > > does but enable me to send it through an > > aux/headphone out I can pass it on to > > my drummer without adding it to the main mix. > > > > Does such a pedal exist? Looking for the cheapest > > option! Many thanks! > > > > -- > > http://myspace.com/infancy > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________ > Alt i én. Få Yahoo! Mail med adressekartotek, kalender og > notisblokk. http://no.mail.yahoo.com > > > -- http://myspace.com/infancy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 30 15:14:05 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BAD3C3BEEE; Wed, 30 May 2007 15:14:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-SBRS: None X-SenderGroup: RELAYLIST X-MailFlowPolicy: $RELAYED X-MID: 720088955 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: repeater looped vocals Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 16:14:02 +0100 Message-ID: <1BB076E4C332F9469148F41725F17A72038265B4@MTVNE-EXCLUST02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: repeater looped vocals Thread-Index: AceizSgZb4wFI6AmSlq9fz32rYpM9w== References: From: "Goddard, Duncan" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 May 2007 15:14:03.0397 (UTC) FILETIME=[28730350:01C7A2CD] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70558 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 15:14:05 +0000 (UTC) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DpSIbfzK2spg top notch! glorious. d. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 30 15:18:52 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AD0883BEDD; Wed, 30 May 2007 15:18:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-SBRS: None X-SenderGroup: RELAYLIST X-MailFlowPolicy: $RELAYED X-MID: 720091397 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C7A2CD.D3AC3312" Subject: RE: RPTR users Rejoice and Loop!! Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 16:18:50 +0100 Message-ID: <1BB076E4C332F9469148F41725F17A72038265C9@MTVNE-EXCLUST02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: RPTR users Rejoice and Loop!! Thread-Index: AceizdOEcetUDMYxT5u7WQuxrvVNUg== References: <200705292343.l4TNhJmd003416@mail.cruzio.com> From: "Goddard, Duncan" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 May 2007 15:18:50.0843 (UTC) FILETIME=[D3C7CAB0:01C7A2CD] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70559 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 15:18:52 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C7A2CD.D3AC3312 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I'm in the UK & my new cfc/software upgrade arrived by fed-ex last friday morning. I was away for the weekend :-( so I haven't put it in yet, but will be doing so later today..... can't wait, actually. =20 d. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C7A2CD.D3AC3312 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I'm in the UK & my new cfc/software = upgrade arrived=20 by fed-ex last friday morning. I was away for the weekend :-( so I = haven't put=20 it in yet, but will be doing so later today..... can't wait,=20 actually.
 
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------_=_NextPart_001_01C7A2CD.D3AC3312-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 30 15:46:45 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 943983BEE4; Wed, 30 May 2007 15:46:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Jens Wolters" To: Subject: Live Loopers on youtube Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 17:46:46 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0010_01C7A2E2.7E3E01D0" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 Thread-Index: Acei0bl1IbsWyHIcSNuDqNDJ4IqPaA== X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Message-Id: <20070530154644.813D43BED3@arsenic.violacea.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70560 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 15:46:45 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0010_01C7A2E2.7E3E01D0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi guys, I am wondering if anybody can recommend live looping videos on youtube? I am mainly interested in group playing. Other video sources than youtube are of course welcome. Also I would be very interested in recommended listening. Thanks and greetings Jens ------=_NextPart_000_0010_01C7A2E2.7E3E01D0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi guys,

 

I am wondering if anybody can recommend live = looping videos on youtube? I am mainly interested in group playing. Other video sources = than youtube are of course welcome.

Also I would be very interested in recommended = listening.

 

Thanks and greetings = Jens

------=_NextPart_000_0010_01C7A2E2.7E3E01D0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 30 16:00:04 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 06C973BEDD; Wed, 30 May 2007 16:00:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <1180534521.465d86f98fc39@webmail.freedom2surf.net> References: <14700.87427.qm@web26211.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <1180534521.465d86f98fc39@webmail.freedom2surf.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <602D5FFB-754B-4C3D-BBBD-460BABE4BECE@aol.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: john floridis Subject: Re: Right Loop Pedal Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 09:59:48 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-AOL-IP: 69.145.125.105 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70561 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 16:00:03 +0000 (UTC) the best pedal to do what you want is the boss rc50. it has stereo sub outs (aux outs), and i've found that using those to send the loop only signal to a mixer/monitor/headphone to the drummer works very well. i believe the boomerang also has an aux out, but i don't think it's as dialed in as the boss, though boomerang is supposed to come out with a new pedal sometime soon supposedly. at the moment, for the easiest, least complicated way to do what you want to do, it's the rc50 in my opinion. john floridis From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 30 16:10:48 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C8C293BEE7; Wed, 30 May 2007 16:10:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <20070530181050.uvaief8m8kokwkcc@webmail.gebaeude7.de> Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 18:10:50 +0200 From: jenswolters@gebaeude7.de To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Right Loop Pedal References: <14700.87427.qm@web26211.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <1180534521.465d86f98fc39@webmail.freedom2surf.net> <602D5FFB-754B-4C3D-BBBD-460BABE4BECE@aol.com> In-Reply-To: <602D5FFB-754B-4C3D-BBBD-460BABE4BECE@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.1) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70562 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 16:10:48 +0000 (UTC) I agree with John, the timestreching of the RC-50 and MIDI syncing is not usable though. Sounds terrible. Greetings Jens. > the best pedal to do what you want is the boss rc50. it has stereo sub > outs (aux outs), and i've found that using those to send the loop only > signal to a mixer/monitor/headphone to the drummer works very well. i > believe the boomerang also has an aux out, but i don't think it's as > dialed in as the boss, though boomerang is supposed to come out with a > new pedal sometime soon supposedly. > > at the moment, for the easiest, least complicated way to do what you > want to do, it's the rc50 in my opinion. > > john floridis From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 30 16:34:16 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9BC883BEB8; Wed, 30 May 2007 16:34:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <4690F190-8B15-45C1-B9D0-82F3ACA7DCBC@ubergadget.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Rev Fever Subject: online tape loop store Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 09:34:12 -0700 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70563 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 16:34:16 +0000 (UTC) I am still newish to Loopers Delight, and this may be old news, but I just came across this site in the UK. FYI: http://www.mytapeecho.com/home -Rev. Fever From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 30 17:18:19 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6CA023BEDD; Wed, 30 May 2007 17:18:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <465DB23D.2080902@f2s.com> Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 18:19:57 +0100 From: Bill Trible User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.10 (Windows/20070221) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Right Loop Pedal References: <14700.87427.qm@web26211.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <1180534521.465d86f98fc39@webmail.freedom2surf.net> <602D5FFB-754B-4C3D-BBBD-460BABE4BECE@aol.com> <20070530181050.uvaief8m8kokwkcc@webmail.gebaeude7.de> In-Reply-To: <20070530181050.uvaief8m8kokwkcc@webmail.gebaeude7.de> Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <1cbd-B.A.7kB.bHbXGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70564 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 17:18:19 +0000 (UTC) Sounds good - Does anyone know if I can send the click out thru the aux and not the main mix on the RC-50?  Many thanks for the feedback.

jenswolters@gebaeude7.de wrote:
I agree with John,

the timestreching of the RC-50 and MIDI syncing is not usable though. Sounds terrible.

Greetings Jens.

the best pedal to do what you want is the boss rc50.  it has stereo sub
outs (aux outs), and i've found that using those to send the loop only
signal to a mixer/monitor/headphone to the drummer works very well.  i
believe the boomerang also has an aux out, but i don't think it's as
dialed in as the boss, though boomerang is supposed to come out with a
new pedal sometime soon supposedly.

at the moment, for the easiest, least complicated way to do what you
want to do, it's the rc50 in my opinion.

john floridis 





-- 
http://myspace.com/infancy
From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 30 17:42:22 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8AE6F3BEE0; Wed, 30 May 2007 17:42:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-Id: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-2-376276865 From: Nathan van Heynsbergen Subject: POST YOUR SETUP Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 19:42:19 +0200 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 May 2007 17:42:20.0717 (UTC) FILETIME=[DFAA4DD0:01C7A2E1] Resent-Message-ID: <3VegAD.A.NaD.-dbXGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70565 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 17:42:22 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-2-376276865 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Hello everybody, I am really so curious about this, plus maybe we could inspire eachother! so; From, through and to what does your audiosignal go? (Please signify with a schematic.) All the best, Nathan/Amsterdam --Apple-Mail-2-376276865 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1
Hello = everybody,

I am really so curious about this, plus maybe we = could inspire eachother!

so;









From, through and to what does your audiosignal = go? =A0 =A0=A0 =A0=A0 =A0=A0 =A0=A0 =A0(Please signify with a = schematic.)





All the best,

Nathan/Amsterdam
= --Apple-Mail-2-376276865-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 30 17:45:35 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 31F903BEDB; Wed, 30 May 2007 17:45:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-3-376469168 Message-Id: <35DF6BE3-7782-426C-A6DE-17253998EE8E@gmail.com> Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Nathan van Heynsbergen Subject: Re: POST YOUR SETUP Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 19:45:31 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 May 2007 17:45:33.0073 (UTC) FILETIME=[52518010:01C7A2E2] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70566 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 17:45:35 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-3-376469168 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed My rig is (still) quite simple; -instrument (diy "bassguitartable") >> distortionpedal (Behringer Dist.Modeler) >> looper (BossRC20XL) >> bassamp (Peavey TNT115) -drumcomputer (Zoom RT234) >> >> >> -electronic drummodule (Alesis D4) >> >> So the drummodule does NOT go through the one distortion and everything goes through the one looper. This kind of schematic could be a problem with big setups, but i hope you guys can figure something out. Bye! Nathan/Amsterdam Op 30-mei-2007, om 19:42 heeft Nathan van Heynsbergen het volgende geschreven: > Hello everybody, > > I am really so curious about this, plus maybe we could inspire > eachother! > > so; > > > > > > > > > > From, through and to what does your audiosignal go? > (Please signify with a schematic.) > > > > > > All the best, > > Nathan/Amsterdam --Apple-Mail-3-376469168 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1
My rig is (still) quite = simple;

-instrument = (diy=A0"bassguitartable")=A0 =A0 =A0=A0 =A0=A0 =A0=A0 =A0>> = distortionpedal (Behringer Dist.Modeler)=A0 =A0>>=A0 looper = (BossRC20XL) =A0 =A0>> bassamp (Peavey = TNT115)
-drumcomputer (Zoom RT234) =A0 =A0=A0 =A0=A0 =A0=A0= =A0=A0 =A0=A0 =A0=A0 =A0>>=A0 =A0=A0 =A0=A0 =A0=A0 =A0=A0 =A0=A0 = =A0=A0 =A0=A0 =A0=A0 =A0=A0 =A0=A0 =A0=A0 =A0=A0 =A0=A0 =A0=A0 =A0=A0 =A0=A0= =A0=A0 =A0=A0 =A0=A0 =A0=A0 =A0=A0 =A0=A0 =A0=A0 =A0=A0 =A0=A0 =A0=A0 = =A0>> =A0 =A0=A0 =A0=A0 =A0=A0 =A0=A0 =A0=A0 =A0=A0 =A0=A0 =A0=A0 = =A0=A0 =A0=A0 =A0=A0 =A0=A0 =A0=A0 =A0=A0 =A0>>=A0 =A0=A0 =A0=A0 = =A0=A0 =A0=A0 =A0=A0 =A0=A0 =A0=A0 =A0
-electronic = drummodule (Alesis D4) =A0 =A0=A0 =A0=A0 =A0=A0 =A0=A0 =A0=A0 =A0=A0 =A0=A0= =A0=A0 =A0=A0 =A0=A0 =A0=A0 =A0=A0 =A0=A0 =A0=A0 =A0=A0 =A0=A0 =A0=A0 = =A0=A0 =A0=A0 =A0=A0 =A0=A0 =A0=A0 =A0=A0 =A0=A0 =A0=A0 =A0=A0 =A0=A0 =A0=A0= =A0=A0 =A0=A0 =A0=A0 =A0>> =A0 =A0=A0 =A0=A0 =A0=A0 =A0=A0 =A0=A0 = =A0=A0 =A0=A0 =A0=A0 =A0=A0 =A0=A0 =A0=A0 =A0=A0 =A0=A0 =A0=A0 = =A0>>


So the drummodule does = NOT go through the one distortion and everything goes through the one = looper.


This kind of schematic = could be a problem with big setups, but i hope you guys can figure = something out.

Bye!
Nathan/Amsterd= am



Op 30-mei-2007, om = 19:42 heeft Nathan van Heynsbergen het volgende geschreven:

Hello everybody,

I am really so curious about this, plus maybe we = could inspire eachother!

so;









From, through and to what does your audiosignal = go? =A0 =A0=A0 =A0=A0 =A0=A0 =A0=A0 =A0(Please signify with a = schematic.)





All the best,

To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: Subject: Re: POST YOUR SETUP Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 11:50:49 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0929_01C7A2B0.C40EDA40" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70567 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 17:50:52 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0929_01C7A2B0.C40EDA40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable FROM Mandolin, Guitar, or Vocal Mic TO LR Baggs Acoustic Preamp FROM LR Baggs Acoustic Preamp TO Indigo I/O PCMCIA sound card FROM Indigo I/O PCMCIA sound card TO ThinkPad T60p laptop cardbus FROM ThinkPad T60p laptop cardbus TO max/msp adc~ (analogue to digital = connection) FROM max/msp adc~ (analogue to digital connection) TO various max/msp = patches, Reaktor VST, etc FROM various max/msp patches, Reaktor VST, etc TO max/msp dac~ (digital = to analogue connection) FROM max/msp dac~ (digital to analogue connection) TO ThinkPad T60p = laptop PCMCIA FROM ThinkPad T60p laptop PCMCIA TO Indigo I/O PCMCIA sound card FROM Indigo I/O PCMCIA sound card TO mixer board or PA, etc Not a lot going on outside max/msp. For recording, I bipass everthing = analogue and record direcly from max/msp to wav. K- ----- Original Message -----=20 Hello everybody, I am really so curious about this, plus maybe we could inspire = eachother! so; From, through and to what does your audiosignal go? = (Please signify with a schematic.) All the best, Nathan/Amsterdam ------=_NextPart_000_0929_01C7A2B0.C40EDA40 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 
FROM Mandolin, Guitar, or Vocal Mic TO = LR Baggs=20 Acoustic Preamp
FROM LR Baggs Acoustic Preamp TO Indigo = I/O PCMCIA sound card
FROM Indigo I/O PCMCIA sound card TO = ThinkPad T60p=20 laptop cardbus
FROM ThinkPad T60p laptop cardbus TO = max/msp adc~=20 (analogue to digital connection)
FROM max/msp adc~ (analogue to digital = connection)=20 TO various max/msp patches, Reaktor VST, etc
FROM various max/msp patches, Reaktor = VST, etc TO=20 max/msp dac~ (digital to analogue connection)
FROM max/msp dac~ (digital to analogue = connection)=20 TO ThinkPad T60p laptop PCMCIA
FROM ThinkPad T60p laptop PCMCIA TO = Indigo I/O=20 PCMCIA sound card
FROM Indigo I/O PCMCIA sound card TO = mixer board or=20 PA, etc
 
Not a lot going on outside = max/msp.  For=20 recording, I bipass everthing analogue and record direcly from max/msp = to=20 wav.
 
K-
----- Original Message -----
 

Hello everybody,

I am really so curious about this, plus = maybe we=20 could inspire eachother!

so;

From, through and to what does your = audiosignal=20 go?              =20  (Please signify with a schematic.)

 
All the best,

Nathan/Amsterdam
------=_NextPart_000_0929_01C7A2B0.C40EDA40-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 30 17:52:04 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9E22C3BEFB; Wed, 30 May 2007 17:52:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [90.196.3.244] X-Originating-Email: [simeonharris@hotmail.com] X-Sender: simeonharris@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <35DF6BE3-7782-426C-A6DE-17253998EE8E@gmail.com> From: "simeon harris" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: POST YOUR SETUP Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 17:52:01 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 May 2007 17:52:02.0534 (UTC) FILETIME=[3A748860:01C7A2E3] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70568 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 17:52:04 +0000 (UTC) a picture is worth a thousand words.... http://www.simeonharris.co.uk/rack%20layout.html _________________________________________________________________ The next generation of Hotmail is here! http://www.newhotmail.co.uk From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 30 17:57:07 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A17723BEE1; Wed, 30 May 2007 17:57:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 11:57:06 -0600 Message-Id: <200705301757.l4UHv6O9009600@minds-eye.org> From: "Kevin Cheli-Colando" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: kevin@minds-eye.org Subject: Re: POST YOUR SETUP X-Mailer: NeoMail 1.25 X-IPAddress: 137.150.33.94 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70569 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 17:57:07 +0000 (UTC) > a picture is worth a thousand words.... Then another picture then (though not quite as fine as the previous one). http://www.minds-eye.org/amazingfeats/Signal_Path.pdf Kevin -- Till now you seriously considered yourself to be the body and to have a form. That is the primal ignorance which is the root cause of all trouble. - Ramana Maharshi (1879-1950) Sound and Vision: http://www.minds-eye.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 30 18:07:11 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 27E433BEF0; Wed, 30 May 2007 18:07:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=GX5sxf9KsY+lpV5arWSA3+OsJTr9zBTlCECeNYNdagqtbBjCYpnNatPWY+5TETHT9cEdamy697y+aLd7cgc67hZRmCRC5v09o2Etdw8fpLpsTkKdHHXjo2TWBspIABcJcHANKaFbxJgTNom8iWV+w0ZnmR+9zl5HPDXqtV+30mA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=QYP85+sWvsGMxWjcw3n7va3dPSHcjWRMq6sDcp5KquJrDpki0JUXK5agzBhFtJPwibVCWRV3YbzqrNHmMJM+eZU9/LMgJu9Vw/oTj1K9Rtd+rPoNQZ992nlm2KRgOqD7AK4TB5QQJf97nHKAnpVwJkZvqhzMOu/T8R4MG6P7uEY= Message-ID: Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 13:07:08 -0500 From: "Doug Cox" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Right Loop Pedal In-Reply-To: <465DB23D.2080902@f2s.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_10580_17329260.1180548428927" References: <14700.87427.qm@web26211.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <1180534521.465d86f98fc39@webmail.freedom2surf.net> <602D5FFB-754B-4C3D-BBBD-460BABE4BECE@aol.com> <20070530181050.uvaief8m8kokwkcc@webmail.gebaeude7.de> <465DB23D.2080902@f2s.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70570 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 18:07:11 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_10580_17329260.1180548428927 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline yes, the click can go through the aux (and be absent from the mains) on the RC-50. Doug On 5/30/07, Bill Trible wrote: > > Sounds good - Does anyone know if I can send the click out thru the aux > and not the main mix on the RC-50? Many thanks for the feedback. > > jenswolters@gebaeude7.de wrote: > > I agree with John, > > the timestreching of the RC-50 and MIDI syncing is not usable though. > Sounds terrible. > > Greetings Jens. > > the best pedal to do what you want is the boss rc50. it has stereo sub > outs (aux outs), and i've found that using those to send the loop only > signal to a mixer/monitor/headphone to the drummer works very well. i > believe the boomerang also has an aux out, but i don't think it's as > dialed in as the boss, though boomerang is supposed to come out with a > new pedal sometime soon supposedly. > > at the moment, for the easiest, least complicated way to do what you > want to do, it's the rc50 in my opinion. > > john floridis > > > > > > > -- > http://myspace.com/infancy > > ------=_Part_10580_17329260.1180548428927 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline yes, the click can go through the aux (and be absent from the mains) on the RC-50.

Doug

On 5/30/07, Bill Trible < ultra@f2s.com> wrote:
Sounds good - Does anyone know if I can send the click out thru the aux and not the main mix on the RC-50?  Many thanks for the feedback.


jenswolters@gebaeude7.de wrote:
I agree with John,

the timestreching of the RC-50 and MIDI syncing is not usable though. Sounds terrible.

Greetings Jens.

the best pedal to do what you want is the boss rc50.  it has stereo sub
outs (aux outs), and i've found that using those to send the loop only
signal to a mixer/monitor/headphone to the drummer works very well.  i
believe the boomerang also has an aux out, but i don't think it's as
dialed in as the boss, though boomerang is supposed to come out with a
new pedal sometime soon supposedly.

at the moment, for the easiest, least complicated way to do what you
want to do, it's the rc50 in my opinion.

john floridis 





-- 
http://myspace.com/infancy

------=_Part_10580_17329260.1180548428927-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 30 18:27:18 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6F39E3BED9; Wed, 30 May 2007 18:27:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Jens Wolters" To: Subject: AW: Right Loop Pedal Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 20:27:19 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000F_01C7A2F8.EC190400" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Thread-Index: Acei3ofpXbxTUp22TBqLRhW2IlvlxQACZktA In-Reply-To: <465DB23D.2080902@f2s.com> Message-Id: <20070530182716.24AF53BED9@arsenic.violacea.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70571 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 18:27:18 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000F_01C7A2F8.EC190400 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Bill, yes this is possible. Greetings Jens _____ Von: Bill Trible [mailto:ultra@f2s.com] Gesendet: Mittwoch, 30. Mai 2007 19:20 An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Betreff: Re: Right Loop Pedal Sounds good - Does anyone know if I can send the click out thru the aux and not the main mix on the RC-50? Many thanks for the feedback. jenswolters@gebaeude7.de wrote: I agree with John, the timestreching of the RC-50 and MIDI syncing is not usable though. Sounds terrible. Greetings Jens. the best pedal to do what you want is the boss rc50. it has stereo sub outs (aux outs), and i've found that using those to send the loop only signal to a mixer/monitor/headphone to the drummer works very well. i believe the boomerang also has an aux out, but i don't think it's as dialed in as the boss, though boomerang is supposed to come out with a new pedal sometime soon supposedly. at the moment, for the easiest, least complicated way to do what you want to do, it's the rc50 in my opinion. john floridis -- http://myspace.com/infancy ------=_NextPart_000_000F_01C7A2F8.EC190400 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Bill,

 

yes this is = possible.

 

Greetings = Jens

 

 

Von: Bill Trible [mailto:ultra@f2s.com]
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 30. = Mai 2007 19:20
An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Betreff: Re: Right Loop = Pedal

 

Sounds good - Does = anyone know if I can send the click out thru the aux and not the main mix on the RC-50?  Many thanks for the feedback.

jenswolters@gebaeude7.de = wrote:

I agree with John,

the timestreching of the RC-50 and MIDI syncing is not usable though. = Sounds terrible.

Greetings Jens.


the best pedal to do what you want is the = boss rc50.  it has stereo sub
outs (aux outs), and i've found that using those to send the loop only =
signal to a mixer/monitor/headphone to the drummer works very = well.  i
believe the boomerang also has an aux out, but i don't think it's as =
dialed in as the boss, though boomerang is supposed to come out with a =
new pedal sometime soon supposedly.

at the moment, for the easiest, least complicated way to do what you =
want to do, it's the rc50 in my opinion.

john floridis 






-- 
http://myspace.com/infancy
------=_NextPart_000_000F_01C7A2F8.EC190400-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 30 18:30:32 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D564E3BEF0; Wed, 30 May 2007 18:30:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AgAAAMFfXUZKgAATgGdsb2JhbACCY4whewIJBgYJBh8 Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 13:30:31 -0500 From: mwsmart@insightbb.com Subject: Re: POST YOUR SETUP In-reply-to: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Sun Java(tm) System Messenger Express 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006) Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_u7+6pwxSJu83gH25vA9AcA)" Content-language: en X-Accept-Language: en Priority: normal References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70572 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 18:30:32 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_u7+6pwxSJu83gH25vA9AcA) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline Fortunately, I already have a web page up about it: http://www.marksmart.net/gearhack/jazzpedalboard/jazzpedalboard.html Mark Smart http://www.marksmart.net --Boundary_(ID_u7+6pwxSJu83gH25vA9AcA) Content-type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline
Fortunately, I already have a web page up about it:
 
 
Mark Smart
--Boundary_(ID_u7+6pwxSJu83gH25vA9AcA)-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 30 18:52:24 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C397A3BEE1; Wed, 30 May 2007 18:52:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <02f901c7a2eb$9fce4c20$6801a8c0@DTT60> From: "Dave Trenkel" To: References: Subject: Re: POST YOUR SETUP Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 11:52:07 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_02F6_01C7A2B0.F30DCC20" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Spam-Score: 0.81 () HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.39 Resent-Message-ID: <_vNykC.A.zQB.nfcXGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70573 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 18:52:23 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_02F6_01C7A2B0.F30DCC20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In Eleven Eyes, my setup is: Ibanez 1306 6-string bass ->[pedalboard] Boss Tuner -> Boss Loop = Switcher -> [Boss FX Loop] -> Adrennalinn -> Akai Deep Impact Bass Synth = pedal -> Moogerfooger LowPass Filter -> Splitter -> volume pedal [/Boss = FX Loop] [/pedalboard] -> Radial ProD2 Channel 1, XLR goes to house PA, = parallel out goes to Raven Labs Preamp Channel 1 -> RNC Compressor = (insert) -> DBX Subharmonic Synthesizer (FX Loop) -> Crest power amp -> = Speakers: Trace Elliot 2X10 & 1X15 2nd output of the splitter in pedalboard-> Boomerang -> volume pedal -> = Boss MicroMixer Behringer FCB1010 MIDI-> Axiom 61 keyboard -> IBM Thinkpad T60 2X1.6M = Core Duo -> EchoIndigo I/O -> Boss MiniMixer-> Radial DI Channel 2 -> = House PA and Raven Labs Channel 2 Thinkpad is running Ableton Live running drum & synth loops, and hosting = VSTi's, mostly Mr. Ray for rhodes sounds and Organized Trio for B3 = sounds, plus Minimogue VA, Pluggo, ARP2600VA, and a million other VST = plugins. FX send from Boss mixer goes to drummers headphone amp, who = also gets a send from the trumpet players laptop/key setup. Our drummer = is really good at playing to loops.=20 I'll probably eventually replace the Boomerang or at least augment it = with Mobius or other loopers on the laptop, but for now the Boomerang = does almost enerything I need and I've used it for years, so it's really = 2nd nature to run it. I recently added the FX loop switcher to the = pedalboard, and it's done a lot to clean up my sound, I can bypass all = the stompboxes when they're not being used.=20 This sounds like a pretty complex setup when I look at it on paper, but = it sets up pretty quickly. We play about 100 gigs a year around the West = Coast and mountain states, bar gigs, festivals, jazz clubs, etc., and = this setup has been stable and pretty reliable through all of it. I'm in = the middle of mixing a live CD from a couple of shows on our spring = tour, soon you'll be able to hear this stuff in action. For now, you can = hear samples from our CD's at http://www.eleveneyes.org or = http://www.myspace.com/eleveneyes ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Nathan van Heynsbergen=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2007 10:42 AM Subject: POST YOUR SETUP Hello everybody, I am really so curious about this, plus maybe we could inspire = eachother! so; From, through and to what does your audiosignal go? = (Please signify with a schematic.) All the best, Nathan/Amsterdam ------=_NextPart_000_02F6_01C7A2B0.F30DCC20 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
In Eleven Eyes, my setup = is:
Ibanez 1306 6-string bass = ->[pedalboard] Boss=20 Tuner -> Boss Loop Switcher -> [Boss FX Loop] -> Adrennalinn = -> Akai=20 Deep Impact Bass Synth pedal -> Moogerfooger LowPass Filter -> = Splitter=20 -> volume pedal [/Boss FX Loop] [/pedalboard] -> Radial ProD2 = Channel 1,=20 XLR goes to house PA, parallel out goes to Raven Labs Preamp Channel 1 = -> RNC=20 Compressor (insert) -> DBX Subharmonic Synthesizer (FX Loop) -> = Crest=20 power amp -> Speakers: Trace Elliot 2X10 & 1X15
 
2nd output of the splitter in = pedalboard->=20 Boomerang -> volume pedal -> Boss MicroMixer
 
Behringer FCB1010 MIDI-> Axiom 61=20 keyboard -> IBM Thinkpad T60 2X1.6M Core Duo -> EchoIndigo = I/O ->=20 Boss MiniMixer-> Radial DI Channel 2 -> House PA and Raven Labs = Channel=20 2
 
Thinkpad is running Ableton Live = running drum &=20 synth loops, and hosting VSTi's, mostly Mr. Ray for rhodes sounds and = Organized=20 Trio for B3 sounds, plus Minimogue VA, Pluggo, ARP2600VA, and a million = other=20 VST plugins. FX send from Boss mixer goes to drummers headphone amp, who = also=20 gets a send from the trumpet players laptop/key setup. Our drummer is = really=20 good at playing to loops.
 
I'll probably eventually replace the = Boomerang or=20 at least augment it with Mobius or other loopers on the laptop, but for = now the=20 Boomerang does almost enerything I need and I've used it for years, so = it's=20 really 2nd nature to run it. I recently added the FX loop switcher to = the=20 pedalboard, and it's done a lot to clean up my sound, I can bypass all = the=20 stompboxes when they're not being used.
 
This sounds like a pretty complex setup = when I look=20 at it on paper, but it sets up pretty quickly. We play about 100 gigs a = year=20 around the West Coast and mountain states, bar gigs, festivals, jazz = clubs,=20 etc., and this setup has been stable and pretty reliable through all of = it. I'm=20 in the middle of mixing a live CD from a couple of shows on our spring = tour,=20 soon you'll be able to hear this stuff in action. For now, you can hear = samples=20 from our CD's at http://www.eleveneyes.org or http://www.myspace.com/elevene= yes
 
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Nathan van = Heynsbergen
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2007 = 10:42=20 AM
Subject: POST YOUR SETUP

Hello everybody,

I am really so curious about this, plus = maybe we=20 could inspire eachother!

so;









From, through and to what does your = audiosignal=20 go?              =20  (Please signify with a schematic.)





All the best,

Nathan/Amsterdam
------=_NextPart_000_02F6_01C7A2B0.F30DCC20-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 30 18:57:03 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 473BB3BEDB; Wed, 30 May 2007 18:57:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <031701c7a2ec$4faae590$6801a8c0@DTT60> From: "Dave Trenkel" To: References: Subject: Re: POST YOUR SETUP Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 11:57:03 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0314_01C7A2B1.A31EBC00" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Spam-Score: 0.184 () HTML_50_60,HTML_MESSAGE X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.39 Resent-Message-ID: <4nh2W.A.JtB.-jcXGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70574 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 18:57:03 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0314_01C7A2B1.A31EBC00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I loved the bit on your website about "Jazz Loping", great typo. I = prefer a jazz saunter or a jazz stroll myself... ----- Original Message -----=20 From: mwsmart@insightbb.com=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2007 11:30 AM Subject: Re: POST YOUR SETUP Fortunately, I already have a web page up about it: http://www.marksmart.net/gearhack/jazzpedalboard/jazzpedalboard.html Mark Smart http://www.marksmart.net ------=_NextPart_000_0314_01C7A2B1.A31EBC00 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I loved the bit on your website about = "Jazz=20 Loping", great typo. I prefer a jazz saunter or a jazz stroll=20 myself...
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 mwsmart@insightbb.com
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2007 = 11:30=20 AM
Subject: Re: POST YOUR = SETUP

Fortunately, I already have a web page up about it:
 
http://www.marksmart.net/gearhack/jazzpedalboard/jazzpedalboard.html=
 
Mark Smart
http://www.marksmart.net
<= /BLOCKQUOTE> ------=_NextPart_000_0314_01C7A2B1.A31EBC00-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 30 18:59:51 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0897A3BEEE; Wed, 30 May 2007 18:59:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=oeiFAm+5dT6HOc2e2uZcMpEQfUwxM1ze9qVuCytXm62hDu9+9zjnpSC9ksUNpslSH9lUra57GzuncFlGnBMiaHUParhAwi8FIe7CgeXmB+mKKD1E8LK2xPBzPqddZuOhI2C3vzP5JUXOtO9heoG2XBLs9pBANmeJgGFr5Lhf6ck= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=axYhGJ/1C+FnCsgNWyyPwr+j6ux42N6mGGISTFYWIo7bBfUx30Kpd+MdnsfwPopRTsECW0ah0fLYzpepqVg6qsH1Y+RsCUyIhXcGsaVLEoOtsUwtUsmMvOcyFjrCH6gustrhnIn4whQg6+5LyG9I+0lXQCYufUdzM7ENJNOuPvE= Message-ID: Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 14:59:45 -0400 From: "Tony K" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: POST YOUR SETUP In-Reply-To: <02f901c7a2eb$9fce4c20$6801a8c0@DTT60> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_7657_5319701.1180551585391" References: <02f901c7a2eb$9fce4c20$6801a8c0@DTT60> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70575 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 18:59:50 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_7657_5319701.1180551585391 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline My signal goes round and round and round... Layout... http://www.thinginajar.com/bigtony/StudioConnections.htm Pictures... http://www.flickr.com/photos/bigtonyk/258897955/in/set-72157594303469033/ The layout was done in Visio so it's got cool stuff if you run it in IE. FF displays the picture, but there's no zoom and stuff. Tony > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* Nathan van Heynsbergen > *To:* Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > *Sent:* Wednesday, May 30, 2007 10:42 AM > *Subject:* POST YOUR SETUP > > Hello everybody, > > I am really so curious about this, plus maybe we could inspire eachother! > > so; > > > > > > > > > > *From, through and to what does your audiosignal go? *(Please > signify with a schematic.) > > > > > > All the best, > > Nathan/Amsterdam > > -- -==-=-=- Tony ------=_Part_7657_5319701.1180551585391 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline My signal goes round and round and round...

Layout... http://www.thinginajar.com/bigtony/StudioConnections.htm
Pictures... http://www.flickr.com/photos/bigtonyk/258897955/in/set-72157594303469033/

The layout was done in Visio so it's got cool stuff if you run it in IE.  FF displays the picture, but there's no zoom and stuff.

Tony

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2007 10:42 AM
Subject: POST YOUR SETUP

Hello everybody,

I am really so curious about this, plus maybe we could inspire eachother!

so;









From, through and to what does your audiosignal go?                (Please signify with a schematic.)





All the best,

Nathan/Amsterdam



--
-==-=-=-
Tony ------=_Part_7657_5319701.1180551585391-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 30 19:35:06 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E48D53BEE1; Wed, 30 May 2007 19:35:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Michael Peters" To: "Loopers Delight" Subject: The Concerts Found Onstage While Everyone Else Takes a Break Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 21:35:00 +0200 Message-ID: <006a01c7a2f1$9d4ff6f0$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_006B_01C7A302.60D8C6F0" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Thread-Index: Acei8ZyRHNm1k1IeSe6OHDuqguiOyg== Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70576 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 19:35:06 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_006B_01C7A302.60D8C6F0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit found on the phonography list. I thought some of you would like it although it has no looping content: http://www.nytimes.com/2007/05/30/arts/music/30inte.html?_r=1&hp&oref=slogin -Michael ------=_NextPart_000_006B_01C7A302.60D8C6F0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

found on the phonography list.=20
I thought some of = you would like=20 it although it has no looping content:
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/05/30/arts/music/30inte.html?_r=3D= 1&hp&oref=3Dslogin

-Michael

------=_NextPart_000_006B_01C7A302.60D8C6F0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 30 19:53:13 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 51B483BEE8; Wed, 30 May 2007 19:53:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <006a01c7a2f1$9d4ff6f0$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> References: <006a01c7a2f1$9d4ff6f0$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-4-384115840 Message-Id: <425E7D9A-B98E-4A0E-B166-5DDC884C49E4@ubergadget.com> From: Rev Fever Subject: Re: The Concerts Found Onstage While Everyone Else Takes a Break Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 12:52:58 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70577 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 19:53:13 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-4-384115840 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed This is a good friend of mine in Seattle. He has been a very creative and innovative music and sound maker for many years and yes, has likely had some previous loopy experiences (double entendre? :-) ) as well. For more about Chris: http://www.delaurenti.net/music.htm -Rev. Fever Portland,OR On May 30, 2007, at 12:35 PM, Michael Peters wrote: > found on the phonography list. > I thought some of you would like it although it has no looping > content: > http://www.nytimes.com/2007/05/30/arts/music/30inte.html? > _r=1&hp&oref=slogin > > -Michael --Apple-Mail-4-384115840 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII This is a good friend of mine in = Seattle. He has been a very creative and innovative music and sound = maker for many years
and yes, has likely had some previous loopy = experiences (double entendre? :-) ) as well.

For more about = Chris:

-Rev. = Fever
Portland,OR


On May 30, = 2007, at 12:35 PM, Michael Peters wrote:

found on the phonography list. =
I thought some = of you would like it although it has no looping content:
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/05/30/arts/music/30inte.html?_r= =3D1&hp&oref=3Dslogin =

-Michael


= --Apple-Mail-4-384115840-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 30 20:10:37 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5D41C3BEDD; Wed, 30 May 2007 20:10:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Cloudmark-Score: 0.000000 [] Message-ID: <002801c7a2f6$9b576900$4001a8c0@mini> From: "CV" To: References: Subject: Re: POST YOUR SETUP Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 22:10:41 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70578 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 20:10:37 +0000 (UTC) first www.claudevoit.ch then tech then seewhat rack system Claude > Hello everybody, > > I am really so curious about this, plus maybe we could inspire > eachother! > > so; > > > > > > > > > > From, through and to what does your audiosignal go? > (Please signify with a schematic.) > > > > > > All the best, > > Nathan/Amsterdam From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 30 20:23:06 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B48B23BEF1; Wed, 30 May 2007 20:23:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <425E7D9A-B98E-4A0E-B166-5DDC884C49E4@ubergadget.com> References: <006a01c7a2f1$9d4ff6f0$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> <425E7D9A-B98E-4A0E-B166-5DDC884C49E4@ubergadget.com> Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 13:20:58 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: David Gans Subject: Re: The Concerts Found Onstage While Everyone Else Takes a Break Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="============_-1031565913==_ma============" X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - vps.gdhour.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - trufun.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: <7d5b8C.A.48B.q0dXGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70579 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 20:23:06 +0000 (UTC) --============_-1031565913==_ma============ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" At 12:52 PM -0700 5/30/07, Rev Fever wrote: >For more about Chris: >http://www.delaurenti.net/music.htm Thanks! I'm gonna buy a copy of this CD. -- David Gans - david@trufun.com or david@gdhour.com Truth and Fun, Inc., 484 Lake Park Ave. #102, Oakland CA 94610-2730 Blog: http://logblog.gdhour.com Web site: http://www.dgans.com --============_-1031565913==_ma============ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Re: The Concerts Found Onstage While Everyone Else Takes a
At 12:52 PM -0700 5/30/07, Rev Fever wrote:
For more about Chris:
http://www.delaurenti.net/music.htm

Thanks!  I'm gonna buy a copy of this CD.


--

David Gans - david@trufun.com or david@gdhour.com
Truth and Fun, Inc., 484 Lake Park Ave. #102, Oakland CA 94610-2730
Blog:  http://logblog.gdhour.com
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--============_-1031565913==_ma============-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 30 20:38:53 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9AA653BEE2; Wed, 30 May 2007 20:38:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Sjaak" To: Subject: Re: Line 6 DL4 questions Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 22:38:21 +0200 Message-ID: <000601c7a2fa$79ebd1d0$020313ac@SOVERGAAUW> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6822 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Thread-Index: Acei+nRc7sx+DloVTNu7rG+bxVViMw== Importance: Normal X-DCC-scarlet.be-Metrics: oola 20001; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Resent-Message-ID: <5m1Y2B.A.wxD.cDeXGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70580 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 20:38:53 +0000 (UTC) Hi, Thanks for all your replies. I have tested the DL4 but have decided to = buy a used TC D2. The DL4 is great but I was amazed by the possibilities of = the D2. It sounds excellent, has full midi specs and 100 user presets.=20 As Rainer said, the DD-20 is a great delay but limited as a looper. Imo, using a small FX looper in the audio chain before the looper is a = concept I like. I often record a short loop of 1-2 sec's, feed it into a looper, multiply it several times etc. So I'm probably going to replace my DD-20 = by the D2, this solves a couple of my issues: - Midi feedback control (also other parameters) - Tempo sync - Midi program changes Sjaak From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 30 20:47:51 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 404AA3BEF8; Wed, 30 May 2007 20:47:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <657C1E7D-7BF7-4C47-8381-AD5C9949F6EE@sonic.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Mark Landman Subject: FS: Kyma w/ Capybara Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 13:47:44 -0700 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70581 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 20:47:51 +0000 (UTC) One more time... Kyma Capybara 320 sound processor with 2 additional DSP cards, Firewire interface and power cables, Kyma X Revealed manual, Rack ears, current Kyma X software. Also includes Green Tea Software's Looper Construction Kit software. Massively granulate, chop, warp, morph, echo, ring modulate, convolve, pitch shift, time stretch, filter, and of course, loop... Kyma- http://www.symbolicsound.com/cgi-bin/bin/view/Products/WebHome Green Tea Software Looper Construction Kit- http:// www.greenteasoftware.com/lck.htm Asking $3400 plus shipping. Will do Paypal if you pick up charges. Located in California, north of San Francisco. Best- Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 30 20:56:33 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 468983BEEE; Wed, 30 May 2007 20:56:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:x-google-sender-auth; b=ForuUwgDqw7ZDX5lDlbq3Y19xlj0EU2g5osOzMG86kwpIUSE1XwVZDJgvfb1riYz7XQRrFqD7TvpH/MaqRIL4XvuKmzEJdWX23a36yCH1l6nAxKHU6H8oheY6+NOFRAlh6dS3A08KvfyX8bZVEujBugEAUXdCn6AZ4xJgQ5FTE4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:x-google-sender-auth; b=QuY2/MY94vhHdkIoKyiFCmWX61BIpcJL48g2Qf1OWbSkwu6+wuym6WFDzaz+iwlalrbXq9iWY7LaUG/eeMK7t15LpZXHzbXtUl96PC4TJn9c3UrS85Iyk5ZMlrLK8Akiio1JU2XCMzUDIPZ/qemS6M6fpMHnljJp8Vtwmdwywzk= Message-ID: Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 13:56:29 -0700 From: "James Reynolds" Sender: toasthaiku@gmail.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: FS: Oberheim Echoplex, Lexicon Jam Man, Lexicon Vortex MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Google-Sender-Auth: 9f6433fd41445259 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70582 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 20:56:33 +0000 (UTC) Hi all, I frequented this list back in the late 90's and found the folks here to be the most like-minded and supportive creative community I've ever been involved with. And I'm sure that spirit continues today! But I just wanted to pop back in for a bit and offer you guys first dibs on my looping hardware before I put it up on Ebay. I treated all my looping tools with loving care during our time together, but as they have spent the last several years in a dark, quiet box, I've decided that it is time for them to find new owners who can give them the attention they deserve. All equipment was purchased brand new in '98 or thereabouts. I live in San Francisco and commute to the East Bay, so local pickup is possible. Oberheim Echoplex Digital Pro - asking 550 * Full 198-second memory upgrade * Includes Loop III v5.0 software (I was a beta tester for Kim!) * Includes manuals, foot pedal, spectraflex cable, etc. * http://dr.toast.dj/temp/ebay/oberheim%20echoplex%20front.jpg * http://dr.toast.dj/temp/ebay/oberheim%20echoplex%20detail.jpg * http://dr.toast.dj/temp/ebay/oberheim%20echoplex%20rear.jpg * http://dr.toast.dj/temp/ebay/oberheim%20echoplex%20kit.jpg Lexicon Jam Man - asking 300 * Full 32-second memory upgrade * Includes footpedal, manual, power supply * There is a tiny scratch/crack at the top of the red plastic covering over the LED panel. The LEDs are not in any way affected by this minor cosmetic flaw. See picture below. * http://dr.toast.dj/temp/ebay/lexicon%20jamman%20front.jpg * http://dr.toast.dj/temp/ebay/lexicon%20jamman%20detail.jpg * http://dr.toast.dj/temp/ebay/lexicon%20jamman%20kit.jpg * http://dr.toast.dj/temp/ebay/lexicon%20jamman%20screen.jpg Lexicon Vortex - asking 125 * Includes manuals and power supply * No footswitch, but I've seen them on Ebay for less than 20 bucks * http://dr.toast.dj/temp/ebay/lexicon%20vortex%20front.jpg * http://dr.toast.dj/temp/ebay/lexicon%20vortex%20kit.jpg * http://dr.toast.dj/temp/ebay/lexicon%20vortex%20rear.jpg I also have some other equipment that's about to go on Ebay, let me know if you're interested: Ensoniq ASR-10, SansAmp PSA-1, Aphex 109, Lexicon MPX-1, Fender Deluxe Reverb 68 Reissue, Mackie 1202-VLZ, Yorkville YSM-1 monitors, Hafler P-3000 amp Thanks! James From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 30 21:25:39 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DE5133BEE9; Wed, 30 May 2007 21:25:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [63.93.82.137] From: max valentino To: Subject: RE: POST YOUR SETUP Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 21:25:38 +0000 Importance: Normal Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 May 2007 21:25:38.0236 (UTC) FILETIME=[113577C0:01C7A301] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70583 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 21:25:39 +0000 (UTC) Another curiously simple setup: Basses: fretted Rick Turner Renaisssnace 4; fretless Rick Turner Renaissanc= e 5>>> >>>>DTAR MAMABEAR (ostensibly an acoustic gtr modeling preamp, I use it no= t so much in an attempt to "model" other gtrs, and, after all, I am playing= BASS..but rather for the way it "neutralizes" the sound of the pickup --an= d granted the Turner PUs are very, very good--and superimposes that with th= e unique sonic shape of a mic'd acoustic instrument. Very warm and natural= sounding. The only "modeler" I have ever really liked.).>>> >>>custom LOW END TRUE VOICE PREAMP: a hand made, hand wired (point-to-poin= t--nary a chip nor circuit board in sight) tube preamp using a single 6S*7 = octal tube and a single passive tone control. Also doubles as a tube DI and= can be used to send my "direct signal" (pre-loops) to a house mix.>>> >>>>Custom modified LEXICON JAM MAN: with Bob Sellon's latest OS. Does a g= reat number of functions not in the original JamBoy (mutilple serial/parall= el loops, fades in and out of indiividual channels, stereo placement of loo= ps, mutiple loop lengths...), barely resembles the original. At times I use= an EDP with Loop IV, but, for some reason prefer the JamMan.>>> >>>> CUSTOM TUBE BUFFER AMP: From Red Iron Amps. A stereo tube buffer amp = (2 12au7 tubes--NOS JAN tubes). Hand made, point to point wiring. I use thi= s to "mask" any digital artifacts made vis-a-vis the loopers. It was origi= nally designed for this purpose in conjunction with amp modelers like the P= OD or ToneLab, but works wonders with digital looping devices (and serves a= nother purpose as a ersatz "reamp" box when dealing with recorded tracks!) = Very cool, with gain and passive tone control...can add slight "warmth" (= I hate using that term) to tube OD and grind. Wonderful device made with ve= ry high end audiophile components. Works great at "masking" any digital-nes= s to loopage.>>> >>>> BARGE CONCEPTS VFB2: Variable Feedback Bypass Loop: basically an outbo= ard aux loop, with "dry balance" control which keeps a designated potion of= the signal from the loop. It also features a variable feedback loop, whic= h induces screams, wails and shrieks from whatever it is plugged into (and = makes kittens explode). I use it to control the mix of my reverb only...wh= ich is...>>> >>>>DEMETER RV1 ANALOG SPRING REVERB The richest, most lush verb I have eve= r used. True analog spring (two spring tanks: onelong one short) can be li= nked for stereo operation, dual mono, or a cascaded sound. A very incredibl= e sounding reverb which has made me leave my various digital processors in = the studio.>>> >>>> DEMETER VTDB2 TUBE DIRECT BOX which, of course, feed the house sound (= and the parallel out feeds my monitor setup which is and Acoustic Image Amp= with AI extension cabs...for larger venues various flavors of Bag End Cabs= . Recording is basically the same setup, altho' frequently the preamp and DI = setup is changed out in favor of any of the following: UA610 Avalon U5 Chandler Ltd. Germanium Mic Pre Chandler Ltd Germanium Tone Control Manley VoxBox The JamMan is switched out or used in tandem with a Gibson EDP. The only MI= DI used is when syncing these...tho' of late I have prefered them unsync'd = ("syncless"?). Other than the reverb there are no effects, pedal or digital muti-fx, used.= ...and I really don't miss them. Max _________________________________________________________________ Change is good. See what=92s different about Windows Live Hotmail. www.windowslive-hotmail.com/learnmore/default.html?locale=3Den-us&ocid=3DTX= T_TAGLM_HMWL_reten_changegood_0507= From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 30 21:34:51 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 310093BEF0; Wed, 30 May 2007 21:34:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=ME+AlzSoQDoEJ/yx+Ts3FSUzowg6Y1ZnY17EzAWqFFLmH/uBPocXpHLMT95xCaNx; h=Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:To:Subject:Mime-Version:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:Content-Type:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Message-ID: <1274324.1180560889748.JavaMail.root@elwamui-ovcar.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 15:34:49 -0600 (GMT-06:00) From: Todd Howell Reply-To: Todd Howell To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: POST YOUR SETUP Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: EarthLink Zoo Mail 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 X-ELNK-Trace: 303a3acd514d41c871639b933de7ae6f7e972de0d01da940fb85ce4ac83caca3bde6f92015a512bb350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.224.44 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70584 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 21:34:51 +0000 (UTC)

Two set ups. One electric, one kind of acoustic

Instruments:

2 Godin LGXT's (black and pink with AAA top), Gibson Explorer, Rickenbacker 330, Trinity College Bouzouki, Ovation Mandolin, Dean Resonator, Gibson Heritage Acoustic

Amplifiers: Vox AC-30 CC1, Trace Elliott Acoustic (some manner of early model all wood, no tolex covering), Yamaha TC100 Tube Combo, Carvin AC-100 Acoustic Amp

Pedals Before Amp : Boss OD-20, Boss PS-5, Digitech Expression Station, Adrenalinn 2.0, Boss TU-2 Tuner,Ernie Ball Volume Pedal, Boss V-Wah,

Pedals in Effect Loop: Boss DD-20 Delay, Digitech Chorus Factory, Boss RV-5 Reverb

Looping Devices: Boss RC-20XL and Gibson Echoplex Digital Pro

Guitar Synth: Roland GR-3

All of these things can be in any over-kill or understated combination depending on the situation and my own laziness.

Todd

 

 




-----Original Message-----
From: Nathan van Heynsbergen
Sent: May 30, 2007 11:42 AM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: POST YOUR SETUP

Hello everybody,

I am really so curious about this, plus maybe we could inspire eachother!

so;









From, through and to what does your audiosignal go?                (Please signify with a schematic.)





All the best,

Nathan/Amsterdam
From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 30 21:40:06 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 53A063BEFE; Wed, 30 May 2007 21:40:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <95AFCCA9-28A9-4685-9F9E-FFEA0A32C049@midway.uchicago.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Jeff Shirkey Subject: Drum Machine w/ Bass? Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 16:41:50 -0500 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70585 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 21:40:06 +0000 (UTC) I was wondering if someone could tell me what some of the better good drum machines + bass are. I want something that I can put on a loop of my Switchblade GL for rhythmic backing. If a software option is better than some standalone hardware box, that's also an option. Basically I am looking for rhythmic accompaniment while I play guitar. I have an EDP already, but I need something else for drums/ bass lines. Thanks in advance. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 30 21:44:16 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EFBAA3BEEC; Wed, 30 May 2007 21:44:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: john floridis Subject: smallest possible edp foot controller Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 15:44:09 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-AOL-IP: 69.145.125.105 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70586 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 21:44:15 +0000 (UTC) beyond the gibson pedal, does anyone know of the most basic foot conroller situation for the edp? even just something that can do record, overdub multiply and maybe mute? i've read posts over the years that suggests that some folks make their own pedals for the unit. i'm trying to think of a way to add my edp back into my live set-up without using something that takes up so much room on the floor in front of me. john From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 30 21:59:52 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A91FB3BEEC; Wed, 30 May 2007 21:59:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=EYWBVAJjC69YZkfOg45vdp9T4cWEhCPTvBl6oPs9qeNYTy+RtJxH0BvmnrRNa/MuUhA5cDKc+4JKk4XMVKUEnLvYTV0eJPPTJVWxyWdM2WUEhki5GXjIzkgjm6l91rPh0cnK3CnbREW+n0e8fakuDPwJE2jn7hjN/PhG7O2xKgI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=EFZm0Mwgwg4ZfBbIJLqJqEHzIW1+CheeJ+11qRckq4d3FT002QBCGRFraKoRh7E7SID5xILntdbRFaweyX5Rf7913Ovl3Wd0uNYblkys8pi1//0yZTjFKAGRWWR1/+6RwvQiYOENKpHV22KhZN/emtwH2aaw6MeRg76EPKhcoM4= Message-ID: Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 14:59:48 -0700 From: "Matt Davignon" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Drum Machine w/ Bass? In-Reply-To: <95AFCCA9-28A9-4685-9F9E-FFEA0A32C049@midway.uchicago.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <95AFCCA9-28A9-4685-9F9E-FFEA0A32C049@midway.uchicago.edu> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70587 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 21:59:52 +0000 (UTC) I'm not sure if my answers will be any use to you or not. Sorry in advance. I've yet to hear a "bass" sample on a drum machine that I didn't think was really cheap sounding. I get bass sounds on mine sometimes by downtuning an electronic tom sound to a scale, running it through external distortion, filter and pitch bender effects, then manually operating a volume control while I play it. The effects are not always to make it sound 'weird' - more to give it the unpredictability of live sound so it doesn't feel 'canned'. That's not much use if you're looking for automation though. My personal opinion (from seeing many, many shows) is that not all musical performances need to have drums and bass lines. In solo looping performances, attempts to artificially fill in the "rest of the band" take something away from the experience more often than they add to it. Matt Davignon On 5/30/07, Jeff Shirkey was all: > I was wondering if someone could tell me what some of the better good > drum machines + bass are. I want something that I can put on a loop > of my Switchblade GL for rhythmic backing. If a software option is > better than some standalone hardware box, that's also an option. > > Basically I am looking for rhythmic accompaniment while I play > guitar. I have an EDP already, but I need something else for drums/ > bass lines. > > Thanks in advance. > > Jeff > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 30 22:03:20 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6B67D3BEE7; Wed, 30 May 2007 22:03:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <09bc01c7a306$52abf1c0$6bb0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: Subject: Re: smallest possible edp foot controller Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 16:03:13 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Resent-Message-ID: <9ybkiC.A.kJH.nSfXGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70588 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 22:03:20 +0000 (UTC) MIDI Moose. I have one. Works great. Or MIDI Mouse. One button and bank button. Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "john floridis" To: Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2007 3:44 PM Subject: smallest possible edp foot controller > beyond the gibson pedal, does anyone know of the most basic foot > conroller situation for the edp? even just something that can do record, > overdub multiply and maybe mute? i've read posts over the years that > suggests that some folks make their own pedals for the unit. > > i'm trying to think of a way to add my edp back into my live set-up > without using something that takes up so much room on the floor in front > of me. > > john > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 30 22:06:36 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id ECD543BEF7; Wed, 30 May 2007 22:06:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Terra-Karma: 0% X-Terra-Hash: 5c04899955543275bc00d5b7b3f64506 Received-SPF: none (gerogeri.terra.com: 66.119.66.89 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of infonegocio.net.pe) client-ip=66.119.66.89; envelope-from=somaestudios@infonegocio.net.pe; helo=[192.168.1.2]; In-Reply-To: <09bc01c7a306$52abf1c0$6bb0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> References: <09bc01c7a306$52abf1c0$6bb0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Soma Estudios Subject: unsubscribe Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 17:06:29 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: <42WsEC.A.GpH.qVfXGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70589 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 22:06:35 +0000 (UTC) El 30/05/2007, a las 05:03 PM, Krispen Hartung escribi=F3: > MIDI Moose. I have one. Works great. Or MIDI Mouse. One button and =20 > bank button. > > Kris > > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "john floridis" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2007 3:44 PM > Subject: smallest possible edp foot controller > > >> beyond the gibson pedal, does anyone know of the most basic foot =20 >> conroller situation for the edp? even just something that can do =20= >> record, overdub multiply and maybe mute? i've read posts over =20 >> the years that suggests that some folks make their own pedals for =20= >> the unit. >> >> i'm trying to think of a way to add my edp back into my live set-=20 >> up without using something that takes up so much room on the floor =20= >> in front of me. >> >> john >> > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 30 22:24:52 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 673373BEF0; Wed, 30 May 2007 22:24:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: References: <95AFCCA9-28A9-4685-9F9E-FFEA0A32C049@midway.uchicago.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <1BC2CB79-7D5B-4A42-8588-6D97547FB8DA@midway.uchicago.edu> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Jeff Shirkey Subject: Re: Drum Machine w/ Bass? Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 17:26:38 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70590 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 22:24:52 +0000 (UTC) > I've yet to hear a "bass" sample on a drum machine that I didn't think > was really cheap sounding. Actually, that is very helpful. Sounds like I shouldn't try to get both drums and bass out of one box. Given the choice, I'd say drums is more important to me. The rest of your comments are helpful, too, but I should have said that I wasn't looking (necessarily...or at least not right away) to use this for live use. I was mainly looking for something to use for home practice, jamming, noodling, composing, etc. Thanks, Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 30 22:29:48 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5B7693BEF0; Wed, 30 May 2007 22:29:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Antivirus-MYDOMAIN-Mail-From: siobahn@nxivm.com via mail.nxivm.net X-Antivirus-MYDOMAIN: 1.25-st-qms (Clear:RC:1(24.29.61.210):. Processed in 0.027148 secs Process 10087) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <6B69AA70-F1A8-432E-B683-BC283761D920@nxivm.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Siobahn Hotaling Subject: Help with Augustus Loop? Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 18:29:43 -0400 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70591 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 22:29:47 +0000 (UTC) I am experimenting with both Ableton Live and Augustus Loop on my Macbook and I am feeling, well, a bit mystified. I have Ableton set up with the plug-in, and I have armed Track 1, and opened up Augustus Loop, and.... now what? Here's what I want to do - I just want to start recording a loop, keep it running, record something over that, etc. etc.... How can I get Ableton and Augustus loop to work together? And I have no idea what I am doing. Any tips would be awesome. I have a lot of experience with recording audio on computers, but I am pretty stuck on this! Thanks! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 30 22:33:52 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 966483BEF0; Wed, 30 May 2007 22:33:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-5-393766068 Message-Id: From: James Richmond Subject: Re: POST YOUR SETUP Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 18:33:48 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: <4wVlsD.A.2kC.PvfXGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70592 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 22:33:52 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-5-393766068 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Ehrm... this might take a while... Guitars: 2 x Chris Kinman Telecasters Self made gold top hollow telecaster '79 strat '86 PRS custom 24 2 x Self made custom strats with various electronics inside (ZVex pedal parts mostly). Profile P-Bass copy tuned to B E A D. Guitar rigs: Volume pedal - Vox wha - Digitech Whammy 1 - MXR Dynacomp - Sparkledrive - Big Muff - Superfuzz- ZVex Fuzz Factory -> amp splitter (DMC GCX and Ground control controller) Amp splitter sends the signal to 3 different looping rigs all running unlinked to each other and one other amp which is 100% dry (a Fender Prosonic combo). Rig 1- Mesa Dual Rectifier rackmount head with Lexicon MPXG2 in the loop. Rig 2 - Lexicon Vortex on the front end of a '62 Bassman Rig 3 - Pod PRO XT and Line 6 Echo pro and a GK 800RB bass amp. I know it sounds like a hugely complex configuration- but it is pretty simple really as everything is roadcased or on a permanent pedal-board. The 3 amp heads run out to three 2x12's and the Prosonic is a 2x10 combo. Aside from this I also run a feed to a couple of computers in the studio that are dedicated to running Max/MSP and Reaktor and I do a whole bunch of manipulations with them and they go direct to the PA or HD recorder. Studio stuff is too much to list- but the basics are PT HD/Logic TDM on a Dual G5 with a 40 channel D&R console and a pile out outboard. Regards, Jim Richmond On May 30, 2007, at 1:42 PM, Nathan van Heynsbergen wrote: > Hello everybody, > > I am really so curious about this, plus maybe we could inspire > eachother! > > so; > > --Apple-Mail-5-393766068 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1
Ehrm... this might take a = while...=A0

Guitars:=A0

2 x Chris Kinman = Telecasters=A0
Self made gold top hollow = telecaster
'79 strat
'86 PRS custom 24
2 x = Self made custom strats with various electronics inside (ZVex pedal = parts mostly).
Profile P-Bass copy tuned to B E A = D.

Guitar = rigs:

Volume pedal = - Vox wha - Digitech Whammy 1 - MXR Dynacomp - Sparkledrive - Big Muff - = Superfuzz- ZVex Fuzz Factory -> amp splitter (DMC GCX and Ground = control controller)

Amp splitter sends the = signal to 3 different looping rigs all running unlinked to each other = and one other amp which is 100% dry (a Fender Prosonic = combo).

Rig = 1- Mesa Dual Rectifier rackmount head with Lexicon MPXG2 in the = loop.
Rig 2 - Lexicon Vortex on the front end of a '62 = Bassman
Rig 3 - Pod PRO XT and Line 6 Echo pro and a GK 800RB = bass amp.

I = know it sounds like a hugely complex configuration- but it is pretty = simple really as everything is roadcased or on = a=A0permanent=A0pedal-board.
The 3 amp heads run out to three = 2x12's and the Prosonic is a 2x10 combo.

Aside from this I also run = a feed to a couple of computers in the studio that are dedicated to = running Max/MSP and Reaktor and I do a whole bunch of manipulations with = them and they go direct to the PA or HD recorder.

Studio stuff is too much to = list- but the basics are PT HD/Logic TDM on a Dual G5 with a 40 channel = D&R console and a pile out outboard.

Regards,=A0

Jim Richmond


On May 30, = 2007, at 1:42 PM, Nathan van Heynsbergen wrote:

Hello everybody,

I am really so curious about this, plus maybe we = could inspire eachother!

so;



= --Apple-Mail-5-393766068-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 30 22:37:15 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7433D3BEE6; Wed, 30 May 2007 22:37:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=K0ROYODUO31NUP4tJQKuIGUFUwqw0BwsgNWSG5NDY1icuq/rBEJbqhYi5Ve6Ij1c4O6EJH2oS2wtCx/VyVIthQTH5oU+bjm0VzFsffHBmR10I7cFPCzj7j4ssHAI5xbT1s/WO33notc+HQjjU/llnnRHttr437ORHKYRfGNI0rI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=IoEyRdY5c54eczYMa7ZeLt/nyt8r2UEnVzRabvbiKdUZVBqq0FzHUm53Dhcg7ZmS8HYGBCs/eUiVBln31++bf+qwLLLLJEftEJIVbGznlfSS2sE/aPuo74X7f+9FCOPxG5Ergb2LI5qwr0pRtiHhP6tIlsPtYLlvOxmqpB/Lmrk= Message-ID: Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 00:37:12 +0200 From: "Raul Bonell" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Drum Machine w/ Bass? In-Reply-To: <1BC2CB79-7D5B-4A42-8588-6D97547FB8DA@midway.uchicago.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <95AFCCA9-28A9-4685-9F9E-FFEA0A32C049@midway.uchicago.edu> <1BC2CB79-7D5B-4A42-8588-6D97547FB8DA@midway.uchicago.edu> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70593 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 22:37:15 +0000 (UTC) > > I've yet to hear a "bass" sample on a drum machine that I didn't think > > was really cheap sounding. the BD on the jOmOx X-Base sounds fantastic, since it's analog sound, not sampled. you can pitch it at very low freq. http://www.jomox.de my 0.02 ;-) raul. -- The Playing Orchestra: http://www.telefonica.net/web2/tpo Chain Tape Collective: http://www.ct-collective.com TPO at myspace: http://www.myspace.com/theplayingorchestra From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 30 22:40:34 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0FB3B3BEF8; Wed, 30 May 2007 22:40:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=nRQTiTCzp5M7duW1mBqC4r6Tk7zDGfjSW4yK/FxtSceojNq1m2DTZ3lwwsHxIjINElOq+jAdqPS9U9QYOxVpyNnfZ8v+fiPXE6cUBbJX52ErFp5sIgn9fT6/O2ZB8FYJdaq1UV7UeUs2iRfFp+rXphkroLr6QryC6G6Ut2VTynw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=hUmoJOsPAXQS0VMmBBAgo9P80cW87NNmHmhT7LtqxrKdtMLhaWDbOT0mmmYqakt25eIwUOh0g5yDqquxYLIZECid43OhH5mKai1kg1aNqGhQZkBly6ywZtgjj9WAYoC1NiGADTg5JYl48Q7zMuuVvZnw1hRJpREpJ5w+g3QugwY= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <78E269F9-620B-4CA6-BE4A-B760B6D2EE80@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: POST YOUR SETUP Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 00:40:22 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70594 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 22:40:33 +0000 (UTC) On 30 maj 2007, at 19.42, Nathan van Heynsbergen wrote: > From, through and to what does your audiosignal go? AUDIO output from instrument into laptop B (hosting looper) into stereo compressor into PA system AND (simultaneously) MIDI output from instrument into tempo synced laptop A (to drive software instruments) and then as audio into laptop B (hosting looper) into stereo compressor into PA system. Instruments used are: --> Fretless sustainiac guitar (line in audio) --> Akai EWI 4000s (line in audio + midi) --> Tenor sax (mic audio) --> Alto flute (mic audio) With the sax and flute I sometimes use a different rig that works the same as above but with the tempo synced "laptop A" exchanged for a tempo synced TC Electronic Fireworx DSP effect processor. Although the original question concerned "audio signal" I do mention the MIDI signal here because the EWI is such a sensitive MIDI controller instrument that it actually doesn't matter for the player if MIDI or analog electric pulses are transmitting the musical performance from the instrument. And when initially tapping it through MIDI the chops are as well converted into plain audio a bit further down the chain. Merging two audio sources generated by one master instrument, as done by playing EWI both as audio and MIDI, also gives the sound of "two playing instruments". Normally in unison just to fatten it up, but sometimes I play one of them through a chord voice tracker while the other one goes through guitar amp distortion. Or one by the sound of a sitar while the other one by the sound of a trumpet etc etc. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://www.myspace.com/looproom http://www.jamendo.com/en/artist/per.boysen/ http://www.jamendo.com/en/artist/lo.fi.lazer/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 30 22:41:30 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DAA2A3BEFB; Wed, 30 May 2007 22:41:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <09e501c7a30b$a85d6810$6bb0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <09bc01c7a306$52abf1c0$6bb0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Subject: Re: smallest possible edp foot controller Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 16:41:22 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70595 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 22:41:30 +0000 (UTC) Nevemind. MIDI Moose only sends program changes, not notes. Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2007 4:03 PM Subject: Re: smallest possible edp foot controller > MIDI Moose. I have one. Works great. Or MIDI Mouse. One button and bank > button. > > Kris > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "john floridis" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2007 3:44 PM > Subject: smallest possible edp foot controller > > >> beyond the gibson pedal, does anyone know of the most basic foot >> conroller situation for the edp? even just something that can do >> record, overdub multiply and maybe mute? i've read posts over the years >> that suggests that some folks make their own pedals for the unit. >> >> i'm trying to think of a way to add my edp back into my live set-up >> without using something that takes up so much room on the floor in front >> of me. >> >> john >> >> > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 30 22:41:50 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id ACE893BF08; Wed, 30 May 2007 22:41:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Sjaak" To: Subject: RE: POST YOUR SETUP Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 00:41:19 +0200 Message-ID: <000201c7a30b$a77eeef0$020313ac@SOVERGAAUW> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6822 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Thread-Index: Acei4egt0i8AbibMQI2XqtwFPydUAgAKZLaA X-DCC-scarlet.be-Metrics: weequay 20001; Body=1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70596 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 22:41:50 +0000 (UTC) My live setup http://home.scarlet.be/blue-moon/sjaak.htm Sjaak From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 30 22:45:03 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 401E53BF04; Wed, 30 May 2007 22:45:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=epIzwhqcGxX2hv0LMECV3PJmocdFhj8Sx7uMXiTXcuU5h8pD5qvW5dbUl87VCCl78G//MP4q/9TCtIr0pPuT2VPPIohNTh7rFS21PPvgFhdf5s20XuCLs344E+/AadiOQhoQbMyk9UNBh3V9VrmaGA3Ny31/zeNpqOhj+ftWW18= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=sFF1EXxPyvmt9bn2CeLupy20CkwHPthj2F0rJE2BRPDHJzXWg1Z+P0hXEC9oqkX2VLWGkeBszF+1IeY73VAPirfulP1p7XKxoPqEGiaHj+zMDmCdvrNjYpA1jeBcTVd0+FLr3QpWSYP5aDaQNb1t5rg5+hbGZHCsrI8c68TzKfo= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: References: <02f901c7a2eb$9fce4c20$6801a8c0@DTT60> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <1A090B3D-945D-494C-AD16-3BE2CBDFD8A7@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: POST YOUR SETUP Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 00:44:57 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70597 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 22:45:03 +0000 (UTC) On 30 maj 2007, at 20.59, Tony K wrote: > My signal goes round and round and round... ...you - psychedelic! per ;-) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 30 22:55:11 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1CF293BF0A; Wed, 30 May 2007 22:55:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <1BC2CB79-7D5B-4A42-8588-6D97547FB8DA@midway.uchicago.edu> References: <95AFCCA9-28A9-4685-9F9E-FFEA0A32C049@midway.uchicago.edu> <1BC2CB79-7D5B-4A42-8588-6D97547FB8DA@midway.uchicago.edu> Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 22:54:58 +0000 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Mech Subject: Re: Drum Machine w/ Bass? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70598 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 22:55:11 +0000 (UTC) At 5:26 PM -0500 5/30/07, Jeff Shirkey wrote: >>I've yet to hear a "bass" sample on a drum machine that I didn't think >>was really cheap sounding. > >Actually, that is very helpful. Sounds like I shouldn't try to get >both drums and bass out of one box. Given the choice, I'd say drums >is more important to me. Actually, there's another option: grooveboxes. While not being drum machines per se, they are generally geared toward producing (at the very least) drum and bass tracks. I've got a Korg EMX-1 whose sound is just massive. I've heard entire Techno tracks that could have been (and probably were) produced with that box and nothing more. I'm not saying that you should run out and produce a bevy of "oohn-tsah oohn-tsah oohn-tsah (baby)" tunes. But if the basic sound is full, you might just be able to turn those tools to your own purposes. --m. -- _____ "I want to keep you alive so there is always the possibility of murder... later" From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 30 22:56:26 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6FB9F3BF14; Wed, 30 May 2007 22:56:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com In-Reply-To: <09e501c7a30b$a85d6810$6bb0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> References: <09bc01c7a306$52abf1c0$6bb0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <09e501c7a30b$a85d6810$6bb0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1-395114383 Message-Id: <6681A608-8CCD-4A93-884C-9F4FB70B459E@aol.com> From: john floridis Subject: Re: smallest possible edp foot controller Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 16:56:17 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-AOL-IP: 69.145.125.105 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70599 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 22:56:26 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-1-395114383 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed so are you saying midi mouse WILL work? john --Apple-Mail-1-395114383 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 so are you= saying midi=A0=A0mouse=A0=A0WILL work?

john
=3D --Apple-Mail-1-395114383-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 30 23:11:29 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0B7843BEFE; Wed, 30 May 2007 23:11:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=QhTMvb/6T0rgIehAu1Eg++yrnzwXn1yQEzU3xreR3PQsC/BI6xLBkYrAom0PDQbWbaGd3yhBGSdQZTNgT7BnHw3GJ38nd3AsIHH/bwakmjl/CUpvVqP2tS98AaLip5vDb6G3u2LbgNyzrTkODuvWcbitcxtfhYwtYo+SJggV6uM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=X4zooYZKdKwXudYqEGF2ZJmCE4xq+nAiuOPqRjiLxztg9I5HWc3k/1vgLJ7MUd28wBvaJscRUHvRnb5pNnsxUbaH2zsNSEsCiW1+PWd3GstdecplzofeWBzvkwxEz4xwziAs2DbSF0TqLwtycroXz4cewHpenzgtx4dId8kVMwk= Message-ID: <4759e5740705301611rf1dc645yf73997ee36495656@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 19:11:26 -0400 From: "todd reynolds" Reply-To: todd@toddreynolds.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: POST YOUR SETUP In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_10087_23613793.1180566686365" References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70600 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 23:11:29 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_10087_23613793.1180566686365 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline I play the violin. an acoustic one, but amplified with an LR Baggs Violin Pickup. Audio In to a Pendulum Audio Preamp. On lo-fi gigs, i just use a Sans Amp and Wah for pre-amperage. The originating sound goes into a Motu Traveler. Then, In Ableton Live or Max/MSP, I route to a bunch of effects, and software delays and loopers, yada yada, and in addition route my audio out to: Oberheim Echoplex (or 2), and (s/pdif or AES/EBU) Eventide Orville And route it back in. Then i just go two tracks to the house, two tracks to my ears, and two tracks to my video guy who uses my input to impact and drive his video. When I use my own sound system, it's a Bose Personal Monitoring System with Subs. These days as I travel so much, mostly I just take my laptop, my traveler, and a Behringer fcb1010 for control. If I rack it up in addition, it's to carry my whole wireless system, which I actually have been doing quite often truth be told. The cable freedom is sweet... all best to all, todd On 5/30/07, Nathan van Heynsbergen wrote: > > Hello everybody, > > I am really so curious about this, plus maybe we could inspire eachother! > > so; > > > > > > > > > > *From, through and to what does your audiosignal go? *(Please > signify with a schematic.) > > > > > > All the best, > > Nathan/Amsterdam > -- http://www.toddreynolds.com |: http://myspace.com/toddreynoldsmusic |: ------------------------------------------------------|: 917.576.6166 todd@toddreynolds.com toddreyn@gmail.com ------=_Part_10087_23613793.1180566686365 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline I play the violin.  an acoustic one, but amplified with an LR Baggs Violin Pickup.

Audio In to a Pendulum Audio Preamp.  On lo-fi gigs, i just use a Sans Amp and Wah for pre-amperage.

The originating sound goes into a Motu Traveler.

Then, In Ableton Live or Max/MSP, I route to a bunch of effects,  and software delays and loopers, yada yada, and in addition route my audio out to:

Oberheim Echoplex (or 2), and (s/pdif or AES/EBU) Eventide Orville

And route it back in. 

Then i just go two tracks to the house, two tracks to my ears, and two tracks to my video guy who uses my input to impact and drive his video. 

When I use my own sound system, it's a Bose Personal Monitoring System with Subs.

These days as I travel so much, mostly I just take my laptop, my traveler, and a Behringer fcb1010 for control.  If I rack it up in addition, it's to carry my whole wireless system, which I actually have been doing quite often truth be told.  The cable freedom is sweet...

all best to all,

todd





On 5/30/07, Nathan van Heynsbergen <nathanvanheynsbergen@gmail.com > wrote:
Hello everybody,

I am really so curious about this, plus maybe we could inspire eachother!

so;









From, through and to what does your audiosignal go?                (Please signify with a schematic.)





All the best,

Nathan/Amsterdam



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toddreyn@gmail.com ------=_Part_10087_23613793.1180566686365-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 30 23:19:15 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D473A3BEFF; Wed, 30 May 2007 23:19:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at cavesofice.org Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 19:19:17 -0400 (EDT) From: burnett@pobox.com X-X-Sender: badger@giggles.cavesofice.org To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: POST YOUR SETUP In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70601 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 23:19:14 +0000 (UTC) http://www.flickr.com/photos/52422536@N00/522260738/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/52422536@N00/522260586/ Despite the length of the list, my set up is simple: Chapman Stick and theremin into an ABY switchbox, through a long (mono) chain of effects pedals, and out to a small mixer for output to an amp and a recorder. Chapman Stick (into Z-Vex SHO clean boost) and Moog Etherwave Pro theremin (into volume pedal) into Whirlwind Selector ABY switchbox Akai Headrush E2 Z-Vex string: Woolly Mammoth bass fuzz Lo-Fi Loop Junky Seek Wah (I, not II) Ooh Wah (I, not II) Seek Trem Ringtone Line 6 DL4 loop pedal Moog Moogerfooger sequence: MF-101 lowpass filter MF-107 FreqBox (just arrived Friday, much fun) MF-102 ring modulator MF-103 12-stage phaser MF-105 MuRF MF-105B Bass MuRF MF-104 analog delay (original, 800msec) MF-104SD super analog delay (1400 msec) Electro-Harmonix POG Electro-Harmonix 16 second digital delay (reissue, with upgrade) loop pedal Boss RC-20 loop pedal Boss RC-20XL loop pedal Digitech Jamman loop pedal small mixer output A: mono to amp (Acoustic Image Contra Series I combo amp, prototype Series I Coda expansion cabinet) output B: mono to Gemini iKey (optional) output C: mono to second amp (SWR California Blonde combo amp, Bergantino HT-310 bass cabinet) regards, Steve B Subscape Annex http://www.subscapeannex.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 30 23:21:29 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5634E3BF0A; Wed, 30 May 2007 23:21:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: References: <95AFCCA9-28A9-4685-9F9E-FFEA0A32C049@midway.uchicago.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <9B45D28D-9316-480F-B4A4-A1505D7EE294@zerocrossing.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Mark Sottilaro Subject: Re: Drum Machine w/ Bass? Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 16:21:04 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70602 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 23:21:29 +0000 (UTC) Depends on what you call a "drum machine." I agree with Matt... you're probably not going to get something that's not cheap sounding out of a dedicated drum machine like a TR-909 or Dr. Rhythm... however, what's wrong with cheap sounding? I've heard Matt make great music with things audience members brought him for FREE. Yeah that's right Matt... I SAW IT! However, there are things called "grooveboxes" that are basically sequencers with pattern based interfaces, like a 808 that do a decent job. I had a Roland 307 and it was pretty good all around for the money. It can be had pretty cheap on ebay these days. However, if you have the ability and money to go software, I say do it. The sound quality that can be had is amazing and your interface is a billion times better than any dedicated drum machine or groovebox I've ever used. The possibilities are vast though... if you've not used computers before you might want to pick up a copy of Computer Music. It comes with a nice free DVD full of freeware, demos and tutorials. You can basically get started with the price of an issue... a computer and an audio interface. I always recommend finding a copy of the now discontinued Native Instruments Electronic Instruments 2. Comes a set of plug ins that more or less cover the major bases, you'd just need a host (Like Live, Cubase, Logic, Digital Performer...) Mark On May 30, 2007, at 2:59 PM, Matt Davignon wrote: > I'm not sure if my answers will be any use to you or not. Sorry in > advance. > > I've yet to hear a "bass" sample on a drum machine that I didn't think > was really cheap sounding. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 30 23:24:22 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A73DF3BF04; Wed, 30 May 2007 23:24:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <6B69AA70-F1A8-432E-B683-BC283761D920@nxivm.com> References: <6B69AA70-F1A8-432E-B683-BC283761D920@nxivm.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <3427BE0C-714D-450D-97C2-5D920C5944D6@zerocrossing.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Mark Sottilaro Subject: Re: Help with Augustus Loop? Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 16:23:57 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70603 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 23:24:22 +0000 (UTC) after you've got Augustus loop as an effect insert in your track, it should just work... have you read the Augustus loop manual? It's not the type of plug in that you just open a preset and go, it takes some setting up and it's got a lot of possibilities. Mark On May 30, 2007, at 3:29 PM, Siobahn Hotaling wrote: > I am experimenting with both Ableton Live and Augustus Loop on my > Macbook and I am feeling, well, a bit mystified. > > I have Ableton set up with the plug-in, and I have armed Track 1, > and opened up Augustus Loop, and.... now what? > > Here's what I want to do - I just want to start recording a loop, > keep it running, record something over that, etc. etc.... How can > I get Ableton and Augustus loop to work together? > > And I have no idea what I am doing. > > Any tips would be awesome. I have a lot of experience with > recording audio on computers, but I am pretty stuck on this! > > Thanks! > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 30 23:26:22 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 228873BF0F; Wed, 30 May 2007 23:26:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: References: <95AFCCA9-28A9-4685-9F9E-FFEA0A32C049@midway.uchicago.edu> <1BC2CB79-7D5B-4A42-8588-6D97547FB8DA@midway.uchicago.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <56364BD8-1BED-4721-B6CE-A6E118A6EAB8@zerocrossing.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Mark Sottilaro Subject: Re: Drum Machine w/ Bass? Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 16:25:56 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70604 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 23:26:21 +0000 (UTC) Oh yeah... I'd forgotten the korg one... for a while before I went software I had the shiny red one with the tube. Sounded great. Mark On May 30, 2007, at 3:54 PM, Mech wrote: > > Actually, there's another option: grooveboxes. While not being > drum machines per se, they are generally geared toward producing > (at the very least) drum and bass tracks. I've got a Korg EMX-1 > whose sound is just massive. I've heard entire Techno tracks that > could have been (and probably were) produced with that box and > nothing more. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 30 23:33:01 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 24BCE3BF05; Wed, 30 May 2007 23:33:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1-397301416 Message-Id: From: Paul Mimlitsch Subject: Re: POST YOUR SETUP Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 17:32:44 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAA== X-Brightmail-scanned: yes Resent-Message-ID: <3eieI.A.G1B.smgXGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70605 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 23:33:00 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-1-397301416 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Guitar or Mandocello into either Traynor YCV20WR or Ultrasound AG50DS=20= amp. (Vol. Pedal > overdrive > DD20 Giga Delay > RC20xl Looper) pedal=20= board in effects loop of amp. On May 30, 2007, at 11:42 AM, Nathan van Heynsbergen wrote: > Hello everybody, > > I am really so curious about this, plus maybe we could inspire=20 > eachother! > > so; > From, through and to what does your audiosignal go? =A0 =A0=A0 =A0=A0 = =A0=A0 =A0=A0=20 > =A0(Please signify with a schematic.) > All the best, > > Nathan/Amsterdam= --Apple-Mail-1-397301416 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=ISO-8859-1 Guitar or Mandocello into either Traynor YCV20WR or Ultrasound AG50DS amp. (Vol. Pedal > overdrive > DD20 Giga Delay > RC20xl Looper) pedal board in effects loop of amp. =20 On May 30, 2007, at 11:42 AM, Nathan van Heynsbergen wrote: Hello everybody, I am really so curious about this, plus maybe we could inspire eachother! so; From, through and to what does your audiosignal go? =A0 =A0=A0 =A0=A0= =A0=A0 =A0=A0 =A0(Please signify with a schematic.) All the best, Nathan/Amsterdam= --Apple-Mail-1-397301416-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 30 23:58:02 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 616DC3BEFA; Wed, 30 May 2007 23:58:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <0a0001c7a316$59eb9d90$6bb0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <09bc01c7a306$52abf1c0$6bb0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <09e501c7a30b$a85d6810$6bb0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <6681A608-8CCD-4A93-884C-9F4FB70B459E@aol.com> Subject: Re: smallest possible edp foot controller Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 17:57:58 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_09FD_01C7A2E4.0E7CC690" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70606 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 23:58:02 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_09FD_01C7A2E4.0E7CC690 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Not that either, since it too sends program changes only. But doesn't = someone make a small box that converts program changes to notes? That = would be convenient for EDP users. Kris ----- Original Message -----=20 From: john floridis=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2007 4:56 PM Subject: Re: smallest possible edp foot controller so are you saying midi mouse WILL work? john =3D ------=_NextPart_000_09FD_01C7A2E4.0E7CC690 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Not that either, since it too sends = program changes=20 only. But doesn't someone make a small box that converts program changes = to=20 notes? That would be convenient for EDP users.
 
Kris
 
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so are you saying=20 midi  mouse  WILL work?

john
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------=_NextPart_000_09FD_01C7A2E4.0E7CC690-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 31 00:25:48 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AECD23BEF0; Thu, 31 May 2007 00:25:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <9B45D28D-9316-480F-B4A4-A1505D7EE294@zerocrossing.net> References: <95AFCCA9-28A9-4685-9F9E-FFEA0A32C049@midway.uchicago.edu> <9B45D28D-9316-480F-B4A4-A1505D7EE294@zerocrossing.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Jeff Shirkey Subject: Re: Drum Machine w/ Bass? Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 19:27:34 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70607 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 00:25:48 +0000 (UTC) > > However, if you have the ability and money to go software, I say do > it. The sound quality that can be had is amazing and your > interface is a billion times better than any dedicated drum machine > or groovebox I've ever used. The possibilities are vast though... > if you've not used computers before you might want to pick up a > copy of Computer Music. It comes with a nice free DVD full of > freeware, demos and tutorials. You can basically get started with > the price of an issue... a computer and an audio interface. I > always recommend finding a copy of the now discontinued Native > Instruments Electronic Instruments 2. Comes a set of plug ins that > more or less cover the major bases, you'd just need a host (Like > Live, Cubase, Logic, Digital Performer...) Ok, here's the thing... I already have a lot of that stuff. The problem is I'm just an idiot and haven't taken the time to figure out how to use most of it. God knows I'd appreciate any tips to get up and running to do the most basic tasks I'm interested in at the moment. Mostly I just haven't had the time the past year or so, and I feel overwhelmed by what I imagine the learning curve will be. Anyway, I currently have: DP 4.5 (?) Ableton Live 5 Reason (I forget which version, but it's pretty recent) NI FM7 (which I have used a little bit) NI Absynth (yet to use it at all) BIAB Mac G4 Powerbook 10.4.9, 1.5GB SDRAM Motif 6 Keyboard (which I can use as a MIDI Controller for the NI stuff) MOTU 828 MKII In one of my guitar rigs I have an old, beige faced EDP also. Anyone know any good books/tutorials? Perhaps a dvd on how to stop procrastinating?? ("I've been meaning to watch it, but I keep putting it off...") Thanks, Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 31 00:55:21 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2F9243BEF3; Thu, 31 May 2007 00:55:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=20og/iU9MmM0Y2yR21TGFrvEkj4ECciwY7g1k/u1CiepZ28mXKGDvXX9QPbw+Q1jEwOSLy9mXs/VO5hiE5edhOfWJxdfjYcUTtKI1hQQm9h/HXdec0nsTvDijGxcl2smE0VStFPqLSIAcxNBY6s529UmuoQvLql46NULljk4oG8=; X-YMail-OSG: FHkRL6sVM1nBJhJqI958rz8QJfMpjy6MkNIZ0oazEXKaeDgO3zG8dr3Tx9QdkGxLVg-- Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 17:55:19 -0700 (PDT) From: bill bigrig Subject: Re: Drum Machine w/ Bass? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <9B45D28D-9316-480F-B4A4-A1505D7EE294@zerocrossing.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <26883.25874.qm@web32710.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70608 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 00:55:20 +0000 (UTC) Howdy, Roland MV-30 Rig --- Mark Sottilaro wrote: > Depends on what you call a "drum machine." I agree > with Matt... > you're probably not going to get something that's > not cheap sounding > out of a dedicated drum machine like a TR-909 or Dr. > Rhythm... > however, what's wrong with cheap sounding? I've > heard Matt make > great music with things audience members brought him > for FREE. Yeah > that's right Matt... I SAW IT! > > However, there are things called "grooveboxes" that > are basically > sequencers with pattern based interfaces, like a 808 > that do a decent > job. I had a Roland 307 and it was pretty good all > around for the > money. It can be had pretty cheap on ebay these > days. > > However, if you have the ability and money to go > software, I say do > it. The sound quality that can be had is amazing > and your interface > is a billion times better than any dedicated drum > machine or > groovebox I've ever used. The possibilities are > vast though... if > you've not used computers before you might want to > pick up a copy of > Computer Music. It comes with a nice free DVD full > of freeware, > demos and tutorials. You can basically get started > with the price of > an issue... a computer and an audio interface. I > always recommend > finding a copy of the now discontinued Native > Instruments Electronic > Instruments 2. Comes a set of plug ins that more or > less cover the > major bases, you'd just need a host (Like Live, > Cubase, Logic, > Digital Performer...) > > Mark > > On May 30, 2007, at 2:59 PM, Matt Davignon wrote: > > > I'm not sure if my answers will be any use to you > or not. Sorry in > > advance. > > > > I've yet to hear a "bass" sample on a drum machine > that I didn't think > > was really cheap sounding. > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Park yourself in front of a world of choices in alternative vehicles. Visit the Yahoo! Auto Green Center. http://autos.yahoo.com/green_center/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 31 00:56:03 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B24623BEFA; Thu, 31 May 2007 00:56:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: References: <95AFCCA9-28A9-4685-9F9E-FFEA0A32C049@midway.uchicago.edu> <9B45D28D-9316-480F-B4A4-A1505D7EE294@zerocrossing.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <991AAE09-2A99-47AE-9878-BD93DEC2DC9F@midway.uchicago.edu> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Jeff Shirkey Subject: Re: Drum Machine w/ Bass? Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 19:57:49 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70609 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 00:56:03 +0000 (UTC) Has anyone tried the Drum and Bass rig from M-Audio? A quick search turned up very positive reviews. http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/DrumBassRig/reviews/#anchor From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 31 00:59:01 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E13D63BEF8; Thu, 31 May 2007 00:59:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=amCCjQ/Hb9wO05BCt2oXL2PGdRpNxz8w5+Taf7qMMQLuW+YdYKm+/HnpjNGX5mQdV7JtZ4DlT7JINjZ17dO0yK7ALwgnewTwMCfT8UmE/VbyRdFTUZSEdk9DqwAHmELf/0NmOTWe4n4BuXWiYJGQNpcFP343NDnt7kZlk/BwAC0=; X-YMail-OSG: UTgju5IVM1kx3KrDpnqt2.7fXdNXWDxGfqTv4Ekyu6OcmMK.Rj89pMvcyB.eyvz7LPnoq6rfZ39hzHdL.x3k.Ggihghr97vBd_c8fGuX_OfQNzY6XRIVZDTnzod1Lg-- Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 17:58:59 -0700 (PDT) From: bill bigrig Subject: Re: Drum Machine w/ Bass? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <95AFCCA9-28A9-4685-9F9E-FFEA0A32C049@midway.uchicago.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <487724.54454.qm@web32703.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: <7gkFpB.A.XRB.U3hXGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70610 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 00:59:00 +0000 (UTC) You may want to check out the boss or zoom multitrack recorders. Rig --- Jeff Shirkey wrote: > I was wondering if someone could tell me what some > of the better good > drum machines + bass are. I want something that I > can put on a loop > of my Switchblade GL for rhythmic backing. If a > software option is > better than some standalone hardware box, that's > also an option. > > Basically I am looking for rhythmic accompaniment > while I play > guitar. I have an EDP already, but I need something > else for drums/ > bass lines. > > Thanks in advance. > > Jeff > > ____________________________________________________________________________________Shape Yahoo! in your own image. Join our Network Research Panel today! http://surveylink.yahoo.com/gmrs/yahoo_panel_invite.asp?a=7 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 31 01:21:07 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 954203BEF3; Thu, 31 May 2007 01:21:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v623) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <3f8bbb42f148ce5857f3c39cb25fbbe5@cox.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed To: LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting) From: MD Subject: Oberheim EDP Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 20:17:02 -0500 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.623) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70611 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 01:21:07 +0000 (UTC) I have an Oberheim EDP 198 seconds with stock OS and the pedal board. Works fine. I am curious about what a fair price would be. I have a Gibson unit as well that I am going to keep. (brings up a question: is one superior to the other?)I want to try a EH 2880 and can't afford to keep 2 EDP so I would be interested if anyone is looking to trade. I would want the EH footpedal as well. I have been using my Repeater for the most part and LIVE 6 and DP Polar but the EH has sparked my curiosity. Any ideas on a fair price.? Any interested traders feel free to drop a note. thanks From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 31 02:12:45 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5F66E3BEF4; Thu, 31 May 2007 02:12:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [4.246.75.104] X-Originating-Email: [sambacomet@hotmail.com] X-Sender: sambacomet@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <20070518115740.981A53BF07@arsenic.violacea.com> From: "samba -" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Webcasting Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 19:12:41 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 31 May 2007 02:12:43.0248 (UTC) FILETIME=[2C1DB700:01C7A329] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70612 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 02:12:45 +0000 (UTC) >From Electronic Frontier Foundation: * Music Webcasting Still in Danger After Small Stations Get Temporary Reprieve Responding to Congressional pressure, the major label- backed licensing authority SoundExchange has offered small webcasters a temporary reprieve from the Copyright Royalty Board's outrageous royalty rate increase. This is a step in the right direction, but it still doesn't solve any of the underlying problems with the current licensing system. Music webcasting's future still hangs in the balance. SoundExchange's offer would essentially extend the much more reasonable statutory licensing terms that small webcasters have relied on for the last five years. But commercial services like Pandora and Live365 are still in deep trouble, as are small webcasters that may want to expand their businesses over time. And when SoundExchange's offer expires in 2010, small webcasters may once again be threatened with extinction. The Internet Radio Equality Act would help sustain music webcasting and fix the statutory licensing process on which most nonsubscription, noninteractive music webcasters rely. For more on this bill and SoundExchange's offer, check out SaveNetRadio.org: http://www.savenetradio.org For this post and related links: http://www.eff.org/deeplinks/archives/005265.php _________________________________________________________________ More photos, more messages, more storage—get 2GB with Windows Live Hotmail. http://imagine-windowslive.com/hotmail/?locale=en-us&ocid=TXT_TAGHM_migration_HM_mini_2G_0507 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 31 02:22:50 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7CE893BEF5; Thu, 31 May 2007 02:22:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=Dxm+JwoFl2yADf+m1NNmqlEh/bkRI5ntHyoARRXXsmWB0plqeoh5YP49lS/zo5L+R3G6MyWAjCrOadeUA5XHvOYzkRKqR+5dIJdOCXR/hOYuQ+cRghlKPOPrEJ2/elxU3uMWDp8or8cyQOegwyg2grL9/vl9r3gbNyezTyz1qqM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=qJddfj48xwhqnnql3I9Ok+4RTEIzvDWPchaRT4392MkRZaxaMQ8xwwyorutRNHb8ZTgtLKRmhM3eZfbJX+L0H0r4JMyEOKvkqwVGoCgweczVbDnFq8ZZXnScFTkoWfk8Us1idsGG/zhaHVHoJHMKL+NCHhSAuA2ZfkYGicRZays= Message-ID: <4759e5740705301922y771cdb91p56964f990bf7007d@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 22:22:47 -0400 From: "todd reynolds" Reply-To: todd@toddreynolds.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: smallest possible edp foot controller In-Reply-To: <0a0001c7a316$59eb9d90$6bb0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_11552_19887320.1180578167536" References: <09bc01c7a306$52abf1c0$6bb0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <09e501c7a30b$a85d6810$6bb0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <6681A608-8CCD-4A93-884C-9F4FB70B459E@aol.com> <0a0001c7a316$59eb9d90$6bb0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70613 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 02:22:50 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_11552_19887320.1180578167536 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline just run the tiniest of Max/MSP patches... and if someone doesn't have Max, we could make a little runtime patch for them. t. On 5/30/07, Krispen Hartung < khartung@cableone.net> wrote: > > Not that either, since it too sends program changes only. But doesn't > someone make a small box that converts program changes to notes? That would > be convenient for EDP users. > > Kris > > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* john floridis > *To:* Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > *Sent:* Wednesday, May 30, 2007 4:56 PM > *Subject:* Re: smallest possible edp foot controller > > so are you saying midi * mouse * WILL work? > john > = > > -- http://www.toddreynolds.com |: http://myspace.com/toddreynoldsmusic |: ------------------------------------------------------|: 917.576.6166 todd@toddreynolds.com toddreyn@gmail.com ------=_Part_11552_19887320.1180578167536 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline just run the tiniest of Max/MSP patches...  and if someone doesn't have Max, we could make a little runtime patch for them. 

t.


On 5/30/07, Krispen Hartung < khartung@cableone.net> wrote:
Not that either, since it too sends program changes only. But doesn't someone make a small box that converts program changes to notes? That would be convenient for EDP users.
 
Kris
 
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Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2007 4:56 PM
Subject: Re: smallest possible edp foot controller

so are you saying midi  mouse  WILL work?

john
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toddreyn@gmail.com ------=_Part_11552_19887320.1180578167536-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 31 02:27:09 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 903103BEE7; Thu, 31 May 2007 02:27:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <0a4601c7a32b$2ea49e10$6bb0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <09bc01c7a306$52abf1c0$6bb0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <09e501c7a30b$a85d6810$6bb0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <6681A608-8CCD-4A93-884C-9F4FB70B459E@aol.com> <0a0001c7a316$59eb9d90$6bb0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <4759e5740705301922y771cdb91p56964f990bf7007d@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: smallest possible edp foot controller Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 20:27:04 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0A41_01C7A2F8.E315E300" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70614 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 02:27:09 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0A41_01C7A2F8.E315E300 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Heh heh...that's right. :) Would you recommend a 4 point font inside = the object box? In all seriousness, however, you could do this. One = could run a MIDI controller that sends only program changes into MAX, = convert there, and then send back out to the EDP...and have the patch = take a coffee break while it's at it. kris ----- Original Message -----=20 From: todd reynolds=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2007 8:22 PM Subject: Re: smallest possible edp foot controller just run the tiniest of Max/MSP patches... and if someone doesn't = have Max, we could make a little runtime patch for them. =20 t. On 5/30/07, Krispen Hartung < khartung@cableone.net> wrote: Not that either, since it too sends program changes only. But = doesn't someone make a small box that converts program changes to notes? = That would be convenient for EDP users. Kris ----- Original Message -----=20 From: john floridis=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2007 4:56 PM Subject: Re: smallest possible edp foot controller so are you saying midi mouse WILL work?=20 john =3D=20 --=20 http://www.toddreynolds.com |: http://myspace.com/toddreynoldsmusic |: ------------------------------------------------------|: 917.576.6166 =20 todd@toddreynolds.com toddreyn@gmail.com ------=_NextPart_000_0A41_01C7A2F8.E315E300 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Heh heh...that's right. :)  Would = you=20 recommend a 4 point font inside the object box?  In all = seriousness,=20 however,  you could do this. One could run a MIDI controller = that=20 sends only program changes into MAX, convert there, and then send back = out to=20 the EDP...and have the patch take a coffee break while it's at = it.
 
kris
 
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From:=20 todd = reynolds=20
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Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2007 = 8:22=20 PM
Subject: Re: smallest possible = edp foot=20 controller

just run the tiniest of Max/MSP patches...  and if = someone=20 doesn't have Max, we could make a little runtime patch for them.  =

t.


On 5/30/07, Krispen=20 Hartung <=20 khartung@cableone.net> wrote:
Not that either, since it too sends = program=20 changes only. But doesn't someone make a small box that converts = program=20 changes to notes? That would be convenient for EDP = users.
 
Kris
 
----- = Original=20 Message -----
From:=20 john = floridis
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Sent:=20 Wednesday, May 30, 2007 4:56 PM
Subject: Re:=20 smallest possible edp foot controller

so are you saying=20 midi  mouse  WILL work?=20

john
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toddreyn@gmail.com=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0A41_01C7A2F8.E315E300-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 31 02:30:44 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7A2CB3BEF0; Thu, 31 May 2007 02:30:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=DIQNIlq6Rl4dQEAIKme/I/YXoxa8dbjmANoQn4k+ZoX+pTcTV2bDJBPqgt3w6j5qOUG//EDWBerVruJe1jpduVE2tZySXbc5EZ6ojs9DSZbikjFPyugWgz4qp24uMLjGpvDXBXoPddmnhbyzBiyHJk12N8U4g3jUyaSO9jFekeE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=GLRfB/IeFL5I1mz70RRRsyEH5EZCYip2cP45HEocSCOU/ee+58JGg70LZ62+2uG3G93Ao7e45Ti45MxtzwnuKsKJDK8MXEB/CHhE65RddE01WoFKo3d0McYUriXhT6/FcVVD1bU0kJPdTO7NE6lYtbgu4ZEJP0qBvJG/N5kivlI= Message-ID: <4759e5740705301930pe932cfcr6e5cabd71070ece5@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 22:30:42 -0400 From: "todd reynolds" Reply-To: todd@toddreynolds.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: smallest possible edp foot controller In-Reply-To: <0a4601c7a32b$2ea49e10$6bb0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_11632_14302027.1180578642304" References: <09bc01c7a306$52abf1c0$6bb0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <09e501c7a30b$a85d6810$6bb0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <6681A608-8CCD-4A93-884C-9F4FB70B459E@aol.com> <0a0001c7a316$59eb9d90$6bb0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <4759e5740705301922y771cdb91p56964f990bf7007d@mail.gmail.com> <0a4601c7a32b$2ea49e10$6bb0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70615 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 02:30:44 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_11632_14302027.1180578642304 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline AND we could make a big deal about it and post it to the list for anyone who wants to make this work with this particular pedal, and then the patch could pat itself on the back by rewiring from it's outlet to its inlet... WOOO hoooooooooooo. (grin) I'm only half kidding. My week is just kinda busy... t. On 5/30/07, Krispen Hartung wrote: > > Heh heh...that's right. :) Would you recommend a 4 point font inside the > object box? In all seriousness, however, you could do this. One could run > a MIDI controller that sends only program changes into MAX, convert there, > and then send back out to the EDP...and have the patch take a coffee break > while it's at it. > > kris > > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* todd reynolds > *To:* Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > *Sent:* Wednesday, May 30, 2007 8:22 PM > *Subject:* Re: smallest possible edp foot controller > > just run the tiniest of Max/MSP patches... and if someone doesn't have > Max, we could make a little runtime patch for them. > > t. > > > On 5/30/07, Krispen Hartung < khartung@cableone.net> wrote: > > > > Not that either, since it too sends program changes only. But doesn't > > someone make a small box that converts program changes to notes? That would > > be convenient for EDP users. > > > > Kris > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > *From:* john floridis > > *To:* Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > *Sent:* Wednesday, May 30, 2007 4:56 PM > > *Subject:* Re: smallest possible edp foot controller > > > > so are you saying midi * mouse * WILL work? > > john > > = > > > > > > > -- > http://www.toddreynolds.com |: > http://myspace.com/toddreynoldsmusic |: > ------------------------------------------------------|: > 917.576.6166 > todd@toddreynolds.com > toddreyn@gmail.com > > -- http://www.toddreynolds.com |: http://myspace.com/toddreynoldsmusic |: ------------------------------------------------------|: 917.576.6166 todd@toddreynolds.com toddreyn@gmail.com ------=_Part_11632_14302027.1180578642304 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline AND we could make a big deal about it and post it to the list for anyone who wants to make this work with this particular pedal, and then the patch could pat itself on the back by rewiring from it's outlet to its inlet... WOOO hoooooooooooo.

(grin)

I'm only half kidding.  My week is just kinda busy...

t.


On 5/30/07, Krispen Hartung < khartung@cableone.net> wrote:
Heh heh...that's right. :)  Would you recommend a 4 point font inside the object box?  In all seriousness, however,  you could do this. One could run a MIDI controller that sends only program changes into MAX, convert there, and then send back out to the EDP...and have the patch take a coffee break while it's at it.
 
kris
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2007 8:22 PM
Subject: Re: smallest possible edp foot controller

just run the tiniest of Max/MSP patches...  and if someone doesn't have Max, we could make a little runtime patch for them. 

t.


On 5/30/07, Krispen Hartung < khartung@cableone.net> wrote:
Not that either, since it too sends program changes only. But doesn't someone make a small box that converts program changes to notes? That would be convenient for EDP users.
 
Kris
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2007 4:56 PM
Subject: Re: smallest possible edp foot controller

so are you saying midi  mouse  WILL work?

john
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toddreyn@gmail.com ------=_Part_11632_14302027.1180578642304-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 31 04:18:32 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 817223BEF5; Thu, 31 May 2007 04:18:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <013b01c7a33a$be3f2b30$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "RICK WALKER" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Cc: "Y2K6 LIVE LOOPING FESTIVAL" , "PURPLEHAND" , "RICK WALKER" References: Subject: POST YOUR SETUP Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 21:18:29 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Spam-Flag: YES X-Spam-Status: Yes, score=2.2 required=1.0 tests=AWL,FH_HOST_EQ_D_D_D_D, RDNS_DYNAMIC,STOX_REPLY_TYPE,SUBJ_ALL_CAPS,TVD_RCVD_SINGLE autolearn=disabled version=3.2.0 X-Spam-Report: * 0.0 STOX_REPLY_TYPE STOX_REPLY_TYPE * 2.0 FH_HOST_EQ_D_D_D_D Host starts with d-d-d-d * 0.3 TVD_RCVD_SINGLE TVD_RCVD_SINGLE * 1.8 SUBJ_ALL_CAPS Subject is all capitals * 0.1 RDNS_DYNAMIC Delivered to trusted network by host with * dynamic-looking rDNS * -2.0 AWL AWL: From: address is in the auto white-list X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.0 (2007-05-01) on mail.cruzio.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70616 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 04:18:32 +0000 (UTC) Rick Walker here: I change my setup continually which probably hurts me as an artist. I'm prone to equipment failures all the time...............lol. that being said and done, I use four different loopers so that if one (or two in the case of my last live concert) suddenly quit working, I have something to fall back on). I think that my equipment karma (or lack of discipline getting my tech together sufficiently) is what scares the hell out of me about having everything in one laptop computer as so many are doing. That, and my love of lots of flashing lights on stage that come from a large rack of equipment.........I think I have a lighting fetish. on the floor I have a microphone (or two) that inserts out from my Mackie 1604 board. This goes into what ever hodge podge of effects pedals that I am continuously rotating that include (though not always): Alesis Ineko Alesis Ampliton (my favorite pedal of the moment) Digitech Red Whammy pedal (noisier than hell but I love this one's ability to pitch change on the fly with an expression pedal) Boss Intelli Shifter (less noise but not nearly as cool as the Digitech imho) Digitech Vocal 300 (I love this pedal but I destroyed one and it's so damned noisy that I just can't conscience buying another) Boss OD-20 Distortion modeller (another favorite pedal and one which I have purchased a Berhinger Feedback Controller just to be able to use radical distortion on acoustic instruments and vocals) All this goes into either one or two Line 6 DL-4 modellers (in series) returning to the channel through the insert Then AUX 1 is my LOOPERLATIVE (for fidelity and more conventional song oriented looping and long ambient loops that don't synchronize) AUX 2 is my GIBSON EDP with loop IV (my slicing and dicing and replacing looper mostly for resampling) AUX 3 is my ELECTRIX REPEATER (used entirely for repitching of loops and playing them with either a) a YAMAHA WX5 Wind Controller (the most visually interesting but most difficult controller to play) b) ROLAND PAD 80 (when I want to do drummistic things and/or are playing Percussion conventions, merely to get drummers to relate) c) MAUDIO TRIGGER FINGER (which I may soon retire to start controlling a live video feed sent through Cycling 74's Jitter (and reprojected on a special costume I"m having made with a head and shoulders sized screen on my chest) AUX 4 is my LEXICON 500 digital effects unit but just today, the screen came up blank on this puppy and I know I won't spend the money to fix it so I may replace it with either a BOSS VF-1 (if my brother will lend it to me again) Then I have to also mention that I use a plethora of toy effects devices, mostly in the form of little translucent megaphone styled pitch shifters, voice changers, lo fi disortion devices. I also am using several of these devices (particularly little square shaped voice changers that also have normal microphone modes that feedback horribly but at low volumes. I use this kind of processing as much as anything to be frank. Then I have a rack (that I have used rarely because I"ve performed more as a touring artist than around my own area and it's too much to take with me on an airplane) that has ELECTRIX FILTER FACTORY ELECTRIX MO FX ELECTRIX WARP FACTORY INSTRUMENTS: Then...my latest instrument MICROKORG SYNTHESIZER (with a nice vocoder that may have me selling my WARP FACTORY soon), a Purple RICK TURNER FOUR STRING FRETLESS acoustic electric bass guitar a Purple and Black FENDER STRATOCASTER three different toy electric guitars that I use for preparing various ethnic string instruments (oud, saz, mandolin, banjo, strumsticks, cello, violin (the latter two of which I have not played live yet) various wind instruments (purple pocket trumpet, dayglo green plastic clarinet,various sizes of recorders, bansuri flutes, nose flutes, pan pipes, circular flutes, blowing bottles, conch shells and my latest acquisition: a UV active bright lime green swedish double chanter bagpipe made in the shape of a squid that custom bagpipe artist Duco Sminia just completely for me (haven't even learned how to play it yet.......lol) various and sundry drums and ethnic percussion instruments various found percussion instruments (glass ghatams, metal ghatams, frisbees, suitcases, buckets, et. al.) a hell of a lot of toy instruments (toy pianos, music boxes) and found sounds a bunch of exotic, one of a kind instruments that I've either had commissioned or that I've stumbled onto at the flea market and last, but certainly not least, my voice. I don't play all of these in every show but I try to take a completey different set of instruments to every show as in the last several years I have only done improvisatory shows. I'm getting sick of it, however so I may start writing tunes to perform this coming year (lol, I always say that every year so who knows) Okay, that's probably way more than anyone wanted to know but at least I wrote it out for posterities sake. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 31 05:58:38 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2AF7F3BEEE; Thu, 31 May 2007 05:58:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <200705310558.l4V5wYjc045864@mail.cruzio.com> Reply-To: From: "William Walker" To: Subject: Re: smallest possible edp foot controller Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 22:58:36 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_004E_01C7A30E.0E5883A0" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 Thread-Index: AcejSLqFQEQIInSnS/24MOJBJ2GkvA== X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Spam-Flag: YES X-Spam-Status: Yes, score=1.3 required=1.0 tests=AWL,DYN_RDNS_SHORT_HELO_HTML, FH_HOST_EQ_D_D_D_D,HTML_MESSAGE,MISSING_MID,RDNS_DYNAMIC autolearn=disabled version=3.2.0 X-Spam-Report: * 0.0 MISSING_MID Missing Message-Id: header * 2.0 FH_HOST_EQ_D_D_D_D Host starts with d-d-d-d * 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message * 0.1 RDNS_DYNAMIC Delivered to trusted network by host with * dynamic-looking rDNS * 0.3 DYN_RDNS_SHORT_HELO_HTML Sent by dynamic rDNS, short HELO, and HTML * -1.1 AWL AWL: From: address is in the auto white-list X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.0 (2007-05-01) on mail.cruzio.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70617 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 05:58:38 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_004E_01C7A30E.0E5883A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I seem to recall that Andreas Willers had someone take an EDP footswitch and put it in a slanted project box that had two rows of switches , it made the box one row deeper but half as wide. I believe the smallest midi controller that does midi note command is the long discontinued digitech PCM-10, or the also discontinued DMC ground control, but they are large compared to what I'm talking about. Most of the other small ones only do PC and CC messages as far as I know. Bill ------=_NextPart_000_004E_01C7A30E.0E5883A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I seem to recall that Andreas Willers had someone take an EDP footswitch and put it in a slanted = project box that had two rows of  switches , it made the box one row deeper but = half as wide. I believe the smallest midi controller that does midi note = command is the long discontinued digitech PCM-10, or the also discontinued DMC = ground control, but they are large compared to what I’m talking about. = Most of the other small ones only do PC and CC messages as far as I = know.

Bill

------=_NextPart_000_004E_01C7A30E.0E5883A0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 31 07:24:00 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 41AC73BEF5; Thu, 31 May 2007 07:24:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=K3HFacIigpaYFGY2c+rJgbiGIlC6mFHZLEqyRz/060hpj/X2SFQyJRAcVs0ezz1lSkyl0oMgY1TfUIlAPPzUOlr5tcCc8ixB7OehFgzbV9t6TN7Sg7qEmtPM/0fU/bJVEJ9xcn4TSMGoAttu020tj88cfX5BOwdC9DYFWftpaN0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=Tzcv22fPUs/AHKjpBpqPsiHnA+HrQAqQYkS7Od0mXVyk33zsV/t4k75iGmfh8Dkqz//Z3HOErBz7pqr0GkVOIOzql8H2PdTqhnWr3pO0rNBc20kLEvvqsHtGHXt6f6k6vkwWHzc/cpOPhtHrxUTBpwwpy9NjHZva4t4vF+b7vSM= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <6B69AA70-F1A8-432E-B683-BC283761D920@nxivm.com> References: <6B69AA70-F1A8-432E-B683-BC283761D920@nxivm.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <8B348002-DCD0-408F-84FC-F9A7903B5FF9@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Help with Augustus Loop? Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 09:23:53 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70618 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 07:24:00 +0000 (UTC) On 31 maj 2007, at 00.29, Siobahn Hotaling wrote: > I am experimenting with both Ableton Live and Augustus Loop on my > Macbook and I am feeling, well, a bit mystified. > > I have Ableton set up with the plug-in, and I have armed Track 1, > and opened up Augustus Loop, and.... now what? > > Here's what I want to do - I just want to start recording a loop, > keep it running, record something over that, etc. etc.... How can > I get Ableton and Augustus loop to work together? > > And I have no idea what I am doing. > > Any tips would be awesome. I've been using exactly that Live/Augustus combo quite a lot in the past. One idea might be to start out by MIDI binding some pedal to Agustus "Freeze Loop" button. Whenever the Freeze Loop is OFF everything you play into the plug-in will overdub into the loop as new layers. When the Freeze Loop is ON you simply play on top of the loop without your playing overdubbing into the loop. From there you can experiment with all the other options offered by Augustus. Just read the manual and make sure you know every function in the plug-in, then get a cup of coffee and make a list of the function that make sense to you for your specific music. Finally, bring your second cup of coffee with you by the computer and set up MIDI bindings form some pedals etc to activate your chosen functions in a convenient way while playing. There's A LOT of fun stuff you can do with Live/Augustus, if you look into pitch changing of the loop. The pitch can be controlled by MIDI notes and this opens up for running MIDI clip loops in Live that send their MIDI sequences into Augustus for instant pitch changing while you are overdubbing audio into the loop. I'll stop here because this can't be described in words... just wanted to plant the tip ;-) Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://www.myspace.com/looproom http://www.jamendo.com/en/artist/per.boysen/ http://www.jamendo.com/en/artist/lo.fi.lazer/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 31 07:26:28 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 920153BEF5; Thu, 31 May 2007 07:26:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=MJNEEdrYehGfs8VnRQi97IuGFS18CJUKaXpxA32Tz6XqGGcH3EJuiqo03ogM/x1Xfi7EBJYLSRuSM05hsG+YFgCBb9p2CN1JU6Gz+wxhjINNos0O8xUHD/Po7BjIZOHO61BmmBoNau1MDGwbrRFJMmblxTxIwykPJTYlDoljjzU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=FCKyus7191UbQ0/mvmkUsTQnEFS/j/oOpHkMYKi6waBKCp/toJsoCkX1dygWIMrqS/NjWidKAjIGWx3tfuox8KBzR1UB0hujbfMo2JIftyw0nliDn7heDoGxror0ecxot8H5UX+xM2z3U1FaMstZs7SfWcqy471yHO1Mgr57zbE= Message-ID: Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 00:26:27 -0700 From: "Travis Hartnett" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: smallest possible edp foot controller In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70619 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 07:26:28 +0000 (UTC) Have a look at Phill Wilson's non-midi solution from the LD archive: http://loopers-delight.com/LDarchive/200504/msg00183.html Link to pictures of said controller: http://uk.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/phillwilson_uk/album?.dir=/ba47 On 5/30/07, john floridis wrote: > beyond the gibson pedal, does anyone know of the most basic foot > conroller situation for the edp? even just something that can do > record, overdub multiply and maybe mute? i've read posts over the > years that suggests that some folks make their own pedals for the unit. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 31 08:25:55 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5F2503BEE0; Thu, 31 May 2007 08:25:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=OrAXTenZvhpbu0jOLlYTkhkJeQwg12dv2t4jVxuRLk4PBOu7Bhiqlkf66XGRK+bzwsSucZ7BfcSsRcBEM8+mqie3DJ9ljRvfDOdmcBd9heGl8j4HLyHSL/PjXSZgboN6z/rRTA8PAkNaiieVHDswie+b97M9UF57sz6NyxNf5kI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=P7zs7LfriBDwQJ392vr/fbL+GB2W7Fup1/FiXiTIuMAJdNHtONZBQOjyGuJglNL14M5g/lVc9mFQ5IYUnSOuEQua+9DutjzJL7axdBWWs1XgSprAsgruDy9WkvRUlqXo49ZOhUG/yGG4gJzD/DrB2PjLv645KHdugvAtlA1YmXM= Message-ID: Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 09:25:52 +0100 From: Os Sender: expertsleepers@googlemail.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Help with Augustus Loop? In-Reply-To: <6B69AA70-F1A8-432E-B683-BC283761D920@nxivm.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <6B69AA70-F1A8-432E-B683-BC283761D920@nxivm.com> X-Google-Sender-Auth: d41540a66fbf79f0 Resent-Message-ID: <8ApJm.A.lfB.SaoXGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70620 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 08:25:55 +0000 (UTC) Hi, as Mark says it should "just work". Exactly how you use it will depend on your style of looping e.g. whether you're a soundscaping "big delay" kind of person or a strictly rhythmic "build up a song in parts" player. With default settings, Augustus is a "big delay". For looping, you might want to play with these features first: - turn on 'digital mode'. - turn up the feedback to close to 100% - use the 'tap rec' button to 'open' and 'close' your first loop - use the 'input level' control to stop and start overdubbing Have fun! cheers, os. (author of Augustus Loop) On 30/05/07, Siobahn Hotaling wrote: > I am experimenting with both Ableton Live and Augustus Loop on my > Macbook and I am feeling, well, a bit mystified. > > I have Ableton set up with the plug-in, and I have armed Track 1, and > opened up Augustus Loop, and.... now what? > > Here's what I want to do - I just want to start recording a loop, > keep it running, record something over that, etc. etc.... How can I > get Ableton and Augustus loop to work together? > > And I have no idea what I am doing. > > Any tips would be awesome. I have a lot of experience with recording > audio on computers, but I am pretty stuck on this! > > Thanks! > > -- os@collective.co.uk http://www.collective.co.uk/ http://www.myspace.com/darkroomtheband From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 31 09:34:22 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1BDFC3BEE8; Thu, 31 May 2007 09:34:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Michael Peters" To: "Loopers Delight" References: Subject: RE: POST YOUR SETUP Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 11:34:18 +0200 Message-ID: <005a01c7a366$dca0dcf0$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: Thread-Index: AcejUhRFE3KGZnrWTyOXmsBwvShkmAAExzTA X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70621 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 09:34:22 +0000 (UTC) this is my favorite setup for sessions and band gigs at the moment. There are different ones (involving EDP, more signal processors, and different amps) for different kinds of music. Fernandez Sustainer Guitar ----> Boss GT-5 ----> Line6 DL4 (left) ----> Musicman amp Fernandez Sustainer Guitar Midi Pickup ----> Axon AX66 ----> EMU Vintage Keys ----> Boss SE-70 ----> Volume Pedal ----> Line6 DL4 (right) ----> Musicman amp :-) very simple. I've grown too old to schlepp tons of gear. -Michael www.michaelpeters.de From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 31 09:35:44 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D55DB3BEF5; Thu, 31 May 2007 09:35:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [90.196.3.244] X-Originating-Email: [simeonharris@hotmail.com] X-Sender: simeonharris@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: From: "simeon harris" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: POST YOUR SETUP Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 09:35:37 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 31 May 2007 09:35:42.0853 (UTC) FILETIME=[0ECB9350:01C7A367] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70622 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 09:35:44 +0000 (UTC) >From: burnett@pobox.com http://www.flickr.com/photos/52422536@N00/522260738/ LOL! holy sh*t...moog madness! _________________________________________________________________ Could you be the guest MSN Movies presenter? Click Here to Audition http://www.lightscameraaudition.co.uk From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 31 10:36:15 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7688D3BEEA; Thu, 31 May 2007 10:36:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 06:38:10 -0400 From: Bill Fox Subject: Listen to Afterglow, Galactic Travels, and The AM/FM Show To: undisclosed-recipients: ; Message-id: <465EA592.9040709@soundscapes.us> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.10 (Windows/20070221) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70623 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 10:36:15 +0000 (UTC) AFTERGLOW ON WMUH: http://soundscapes.us/afterglow ======================================================================= Afterglow airs from 8:00 am to 9:30 am every Thursday morning. 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When I am at the helm, the show features electronic, ambient, and spacemusic at the beginning, an eclectic mix of genres in the middle, and winds up with Progressive Rock. WMUH's web site is http://muhlenberg.edu/wmuh ======================================================================= All times are EDT / GMT-4. Listen on-line to WDIY at http://wdiy.org and click LISTEN or go directly to: http://rm1.refugemedia.com/ramgen/encoder/wdiy.rm Listen on-line to WMUH at http://www.muhlenberg.edu/wmuh and click the REAL AUDIO link or go directly to: rtsp://helix.muhlenberg.edu:554/broadcast/live.rm From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 31 14:44:22 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E9A5B3BEE0; Thu, 31 May 2007 14:44:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=rmYSvvJ5L60D0wTkFcc/R6t9c3PmYmp1igdV6tKpacomqI5G/I9U9YKKoHn6HowKEdEklYJbDe25gHnbtfljkDViVjhH/m3PZTFkm4+FWnEgUB/4sfgkmTY3zl2b62UU2hR9QuxY5DxLoeyZwrGCKQFE49cOCYbQH7N9LAimEhw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=c13CnwImX4TzMf0JVJ4MIcKlYv/l6v/p2LPZi8B5euHDLB7QhTv+TxeWhwD2JH543024hbtx/7cmYk/EWVD2pl/ab6sAcI91kH1p4I/v8Ts7S2kO9HoFqUyFmwS0Hq2MMwXNQsARH7+SGe+XHATDD84Q4jEePFzYR9yS6cC7WA8= Message-ID: Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 10:44:19 -0400 From: "Tony K" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Drum Machine w/ Bass? In-Reply-To: <95AFCCA9-28A9-4685-9F9E-FFEA0A32C049@midway.uchicago.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_17113_12045070.1180622659910" References: <95AFCCA9-28A9-4685-9F9E-FFEA0A32C049@midway.uchicago.edu> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70624 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 14:44:21 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_17113_12045070.1180622659910 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Jeff, Take a look at the Korg Electribes for hardware. They are on ebay all the time. Around $200 sometimes. For software take a look at the stuff from Bram Bos (www.brambos.com) - Hammerhead, Tuareg, and Tunafish. HH is a basic drum machine (Free), but you can make your own sample packs. Tuareg and Tunafish will use any samples and have built in synths, and Tunafish adds VSTs to the mix. good stuff. Tony On 5/30/07, Jeff Shirkey wrote: > > I was wondering if someone could tell me what some of the better good > drum machines + bass are. I want something that I can put on a loop > of my Switchblade GL for rhythmic backing. If a software option is > better than some standalone hardware box, that's also an option. > > Basically I am looking for rhythmic accompaniment while I play > guitar. I have an EDP already, but I need something else for drums/ > bass lines. > > Thanks in advance. > > Jeff > > -- -==-=-=- Tony ------=_Part_17113_12045070.1180622659910 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Jeff,

Take a look at the Korg Electribes for hardware.  They are on ebay all the time.  Around $200 sometimes.

For software take a look at the stuff from Bram Bos (www.brambos.com ) - Hammerhead, Tuareg, and Tunafish.  HH is a basic drum machine (Free), but you can make your own sample packs.  Tuareg and Tunafish will use any samples and have built in synths, and Tunafish adds VSTs to the mix.  good stuff.

Tony

On 5/30/07, Jeff Shirkey <jcshirke@midway.uchicago.edu> wrote:
I was wondering if someone could tell me what some of the better good
drum machines + bass are. I want something that I can put on a loop
of my Switchblade GL for rhythmic backing. If a software option is
better than some standalone hardware box, that's also an option.

Basically I am looking for rhythmic accompaniment while I play
guitar. I have an EDP already, but I need something else for drums/
bass lines.

Thanks in advance.

Jeff




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Please reply back with this email address if intrested ( oscarstephen300@yahoo.com .Please call( 00234-80-20689074) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 31 15:31:51 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9A0483BEE0; Thu, 31 May 2007 15:31:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Michael Peters" To: "Loopers Delight" Subject: happy birthday pauline oliveros (may 30) Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 17:31:47 +0200 Message-ID: <007d01c7a398$cd8461b0$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: AcejmMzyUt6fDDWQQuG93HBp9JNVhQ== X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70625 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 15:31:51 +0000 (UTC) one day too late, but still - best wishes to Pauline Oliveros who got 75 yesterday and I think can now be called grandmother of live looping! To see her play her giant accordion over her system of multichannel loops is truly something special. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pauline_Oliveros http://www.deeplistening.org/pauline/ And I feel especially grateful to her for her spiritual work which focuses on listening and presence. Michael Peters From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 31 15:51:15 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1FE213BEF8; Thu, 31 May 2007 15:51:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: POST YOUR SETUP Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 17:51:31 +0200 Organization: Moinlabs Message-ID: <003801c7a39b$8f3ebba0$1001a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <005a01c7a366$dca0dcf0$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Thread-Index: AcejUhRFE3KGZnrWTyOXmsBwvShkmAAExzTAAA1B4IA= X-RZG-AUTH: lUESeo99iNzPL8kuBgLYdKEqUywq9cxqeRA+BtFcSCD10+29g0ZKcYQHuw== X-RZG-CLASS-ID: mo07 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70626 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 15:51:14 +0000 (UTC) Three different ones: 1. The Medium Rig (for historical reasons - there has at one point in time been a bigger one real-estate wise): Sources: Beyer TX headset mike t.bone sax clipon Tune Gap 6 or Hohner B2AF w/ hexaphonic pickup via Roland VBass Korg Wavestation KEX Waldorf Q Roland MC-505 Nord Micromodular (also used as an effect, see below) Mixer: Behringer MX2642A to: Electrix Repeater TC Electronics FireworX TC Electronics D2 TC Electronics TripleC Stereo Eventide Eclipse Korg Kaoss II Nord Micromodular Line6 DL4 controlled by: Behringer FCB1010 expression pedals (6) footswitches (3) monitoring: AKG K400 Some pix: http://moinlabs.de/images/MS02.jpg http://moinlabs.de/images/MS06.jpg http://moinlabs.de/images/MS07.jpg http://moinlabs.de/images/MS08.jpg 2. The Micro Rig: Guitar into Zoom G2.1u into Boss DD20 2a. The Micro Rig extended: Guitar into Zoom G2.1u into Line6 DL4 into Boss DD20 and back into Line6 DL4 via volume pedal 3. The Laptop Rig: Guitar (any) via Behringer DI20 and keyboard (any) and Beyer TX headset into Presonus Firebox into Toshiba Sattelite Pro running Ableton Live, Mobius, lots of synths and effects. controlled by: Behringer FCB1010 Behringer BCR2000 footswitches (2) exp pedal monitoring: some Sony In-Ear-Plugs Some pix: http://www.looppool.info/y2k6loopfest/experimentalLOOPING/Rainer's%20setup.J PG Rainer From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 31 15:53:26 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D3A7E3BEFE; Thu, 31 May 2007 15:53:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: POST YOUR SETUP - post scriptum Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 17:53:39 +0200 Organization: Moinlabs Message-ID: <003901c7a39b$db9ce760$1001a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <003801c7a39b$8f3ebba0$1001a8c0@succubus> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Thread-Index: AcejUhRFE3KGZnrWTyOXmsBwvShkmAAExzTAAA1B4IAAAGNtUA== X-RZG-AUTH: lUESeo99iNzPL8kuBgLYdKEqUywq9cxqeRA+BtFcSCD10+29g0ZKcYQHuw== X-RZG-CLASS-ID: mo07 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70627 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 15:53:25 +0000 (UTC) > 1. The Medium Rig (for historical reasons - there has at one > [...] > to: > Electrix Repeater > TC Electronics FireworX > TC Electronics D2 > TC Electronics TripleC Stereo > Eventide Eclipse > Korg Kaoss II > Nord Micromodular > Line6 DL4 forgot the Zoom 1201 here. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 31 16:22:13 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F01383BEF7; Thu, 31 May 2007 16:22:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [206.223.204.211] X-Originating-Email: [aaronleese@hotmail.com] X-Sender: aaronleese@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: From: "aaron leese" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: POST YOUR SETUP Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 12:22:09 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 31 May 2007 16:22:10.0788 (UTC) FILETIME=[D7232240:01C7A39F] Resent-Message-ID: <0tN6JB.A.NLD.zYvXGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70628 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 16:22:12 +0000 (UTC) No especially wonderful guitars or instruments ... I'm not rich enough for that. The interesting thing about my setup is that I have custom software running it all (which is in development in cooperation with Mike Nelson over at boomerang). I hope to have it available publicly this fall. I'm planning on demoing at LoopFest in October, and hopefully at NAMM in January. Anyway ... you asked about the setup, so here is the picture and diagram .... http://www.flyloops.com/setup.html _________________________________________________________________ More photos, more messages, more storage—get 2GB with Windows Live Hotmail. http://imagine-windowslive.com/hotmail/?locale=en-us&ocid=TXT_TAGHM_migration_HM_mini_2G_0507 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 31 17:08:24 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 717733BEF1; Thu, 31 May 2007 17:08:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: References: <95AFCCA9-28A9-4685-9F9E-FFEA0A32C049@midway.uchicago.edu> <9B45D28D-9316-480F-B4A4-A1505D7EE294@zerocrossing.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <54F0C4D9-72BB-4231-A428-54C6C1124EF5@zerocrossing.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Mark Sottilaro Subject: Re: Drum Machine w/ Bass? Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 10:07:54 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70629 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 17:08:24 +0000 (UTC) Too bad you're all the way in Chicago or I'd just tell you to come over as I have a lot of that (or similar) gear. On May 30, 2007, at 5:27 PM, Jeff Shirkey wrote: >> >> However, if you have the ability and money to go software, I say >> do it. The sound quality that can be had is amazing and your >> interface is a billion times better than any dedicated drum >> machine or groovebox I've ever used. The possibilities are vast >> though... if you've not used computers before you might want to >> pick up a copy of Computer Music. It comes with a nice free DVD >> full of freeware, demos and tutorials. You can basically get >> started with the price of an issue... a computer and an audio >> interface. I always recommend finding a copy of the now >> discontinued Native Instruments Electronic Instruments 2. Comes a >> set of plug ins that more or less cover the major bases, you'd >> just need a host (Like Live, Cubase, Logic, Digital Performer...) > > Ok, here's the thing... > > I already have a lot of that stuff. The problem is I'm just an > idiot and haven't taken the time to figure out how to use most of > it. God knows I'd appreciate any tips to get up and running to do > the most basic tasks I'm interested in at the moment. Mostly I just > haven't had the time the past year or so, and I feel overwhelmed by > what I imagine the learning curve will be. > > Anyway, I currently have: > > DP 4.5 (?) > Ableton Live 5 > Reason (I forget which version, but it's pretty recent) > NI FM7 (which I have used a little bit) > NI Absynth (yet to use it at all) > BIAB > Mac G4 Powerbook 10.4.9, 1.5GB SDRAM > Motif 6 Keyboard (which I can use as a MIDI Controller for the NI > stuff) > MOTU 828 MKII > > In one of my guitar rigs I have an old, beige faced EDP also. > > Anyone know any good books/tutorials? Perhaps a dvd on how to stop > procrastinating?? ("I've been meaning to watch it, but I keep > putting it off...") > > Thanks, > > Jeff > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 31 17:13:31 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C2E413BEF8; Thu, 31 May 2007 17:13:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <200705310558.l4V5wYjc045864@mail.cruzio.com> References: <200705310558.l4V5wYjc045864@mail.cruzio.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <26304AF8-B083-4FDA-865F-852824CCB402@zerocrossing.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Mark Sottilaro Subject: Re: smallest possible edp foot controller Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 10:13:06 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70630 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 17:13:31 +0000 (UTC) Why not just wear giant clown shoes so any controller looks very small? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 31 17:18:53 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 000EA3BF02; Thu, 31 May 2007 17:18:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <26304AF8-B083-4FDA-865F-852824CCB402@zerocrossing.net> References: <200705310558.l4V5wYjc045864@mail.cruzio.com> <26304AF8-B083-4FDA-865F-852824CCB402@zerocrossing.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: john floridis Subject: Re: smallest possible edp foot controller Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 11:18:42 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-AOL-IP: 69.145.125.105 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70631 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 17:18:52 +0000 (UTC) because i am, as many people are, terrified of clowns. john From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 31 17:20:29 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BA35E3BF07; Thu, 31 May 2007 17:20:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Terra-Karma: 0% X-Terra-Hash: 79f3ae40c70bfd8472afa3443ac21a7b Received-SPF: none (galga.terra.com: 66.119.66.184 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of infonegocio.net.pe) client-ip=66.119.66.184; envelope-from=somaestudios@infonegocio.net.pe; helo=[192.168.1.2]; Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <26304AF8-B083-4FDA-865F-852824CCB402@zerocrossing.net> References: <200705310558.l4V5wYjc045864@mail.cruzio.com> <26304AF8-B083-4FDA-865F-852824CCB402@zerocrossing.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Soma Estudios Subject: unsubscribe Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 12:20:27 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70632 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 17:20:29 +0000 (UTC) unsubscribe El 31/05/2007, a las 12:13 PM, Mark Sottilaro escribi=F3: > Why not just wear giant clown shoes so any controller looks very =20 > small? > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 31 17:28:47 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 23E933BF06; Thu, 31 May 2007 17:28:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <465F05CE.20604@biink.com> Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 13:28:46 -0400 From: David Beardsley Reply-To: db@biink.com Organization: Biink & SSI User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2 (Windows/20050317) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: unsubscribe References: <200705310558.l4V5wYjc045864@mail.cruzio.com> <26304AF8-B083-4FDA-865F-852824CCB402@zerocrossing.net> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70633 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 17:28:47 +0000 (UTC) Soma Estudios wrote: > unsubscribe > El 31/05/2007, a las 12:13 PM, Mark Sottilaro escribió: > >> Why not just wear giant clown shoes so any controller looks very small? > It's all timing folks. -- * David Beardsley * microtonal guitar * http://biink.com/db * http://biink.com/poole From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 31 17:34:49 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A23E43BEF8; Thu, 31 May 2007 17:34:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: eterogeneo Reply-To: eterogeneo To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: POST YOUR SETUP Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 19:32:55 +0200 Message-ID: X-Mailer: EPOC e-mail Versione 2.10 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70634 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 17:34:49 +0000 (UTC) My set-up is composed by: INSTRUMENTS: - Korg X-3 workstation (with a 16 tracks seq.); - Roland D-50 synth - Roland S-10 (sampling keyboards) LOOPER - Electrix Repeater - Boss DD20 EXT FX: - Korg Kaoss Pad 2 FOOT CONTTOLLER - Beheringer Fcb 1010 MIXER -Beheringer Eurorack 32 ch I use ALL this gear just when i work with bands to specific projects. For my solo gigs and improvvised jams, i'm just using the Korg X-3, the KP2 and the RPTR. For small and portable set-up, i replace the RPTR with the DD20. CONNECTIONS: All the synth signals go to stereo mixer channels. >From Aux 1/2 ->RPTR -> 1,2,3,4 channel mixer, from Aux 3/4 -> DD20 -> stereo channel mixer. Kaoss pad from Fx send to a stereo channel mixer. MIDI FCB out -> RPTR in RPTR trough -> synths midi in interconnected using midi trough KP2 midi out goes to FCB midi in (merge); i don't synch the KP2 to the RPTR midi clock, but i use it to send midi commands to the RPTR (i have configured just 5 midi commands here). My coming set-up will be simply composed by a laptop running mobius as Vst inside Energy, an 88 weighted keys stage piano (playing alone or VSTi inside Energy) and the KP2. Fabio www.eterogeneo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 31 17:44:16 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0A0993BEFA; Thu, 31 May 2007 17:44:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "Andrew Koenig" To: Subject: So why Boise? Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 13:44:23 -0400 Message-ID: <006201c7a3ab$539446f0$fabcd4d0$@org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: Acejq1MKTPLNUY6uSfGKV6XPyxy15w== Content-Language: en-us Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70635 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 17:44:15 +0000 (UTC) I keep hearing about this looping festival in Boise and wonder: Why don't I know about more stuff like that here in northern New Jersey? I mean, we have the highest population density of any state--you'd think there'd be some of everything. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 31 17:49:02 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EDF793BEE8; Thu, 31 May 2007 17:49:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "nick@12testing.net" To: Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 18:48:58 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: post your setup Reply-To: nick@12testing.net Message-ID: <465F189A.26908.28B708@nick.12testing.net> Priority: normal In-reply-to: <200705310558.l4V5wYjc045864@mail.cruzio.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.31) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body Resent-Message-ID: <4wQHSC.A.JcB.NqwXGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70637 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 17:49:01 +0000 (UTC) My standard setup is here, but I've got lots of other little toys that sneak in from time to time http://www.nickrobinson.info/music/tech.htm From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 31 17:49:03 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 077833BF06; Thu, 31 May 2007 17:49:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "nick@12testing.net" To: , "William Walker" Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 18:48:58 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: smallest possible edp foot controller Reply-To: nick@12testing.net Message-ID: <465F189A.10332.28B737@nick.12testing.net> Priority: normal In-reply-to: <200705310558.l4V5wYjc045864@mail.cruzio.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.31) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70636 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 17:49:01 +0000 (UTC) I've often wondered whether the FCB1010 could be accomodated in a smaller frame with the pedals as separate items, but the expense of having one knocked up would probably not be worth it. Unless you're handy with aluminium, of course. Why do these people always think big is better? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 31 17:50:41 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 87E533BF01; Thu, 31 May 2007 17:50:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com In-Reply-To: <013b01c7a33a$be3f2b30$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> References: <013b01c7a33a$be3f2b30$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Mark Sottilaro Subject: Re: POST YOUR SETUP Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 10:50:14 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: <00kM_C.A.U2B.wrwXGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70638 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 17:50:41 +0000 (UTC) On May 30, 2007, at 9:18 PM, RICK WALKER wrote: > Rick Walker here: > > I change my setup continually which probably hurts me as an artist. > I'm prone to equipment failures all the time...............lol. Oh man, that's so me too. I'm trying to be better though... the laptop rig is helping a lot, but I do seem to be somewhat addicted to VSTs. I've been doing a folder clean out though and while it's not what one would consider "lean" it's better. So for me it goes... Guitar > Vox Tonelab SE (I hear no digital grunge) > Boss VF1 > Soundcraft Mixer Alesis Axis 9 CD player > Korg KAOSS Pad 2 > Mixer Roland JV-1010 > Alesis AirSynth > Alesis AirFX > Mixer Roland Handsonic > Mixer Mixer Effect sends > M-Audio Firewire Solo > Toshiba Laptop > Live/ Mobius/Tons of VSTs M-audio Firewire Solo out > Mixer Mixer direct outs > MOTU 828 > Mac Dual 2.5 ghz G5 > MOTU Digital Performer 4.6 That's the audio chain... I could go on about the MIDI setup, but basically I control Mobius with a Behringer FCB 1010, Live with a Novation Remote 25 SL, VSTs with a Novation Remote 61 and a little bit of Alesis Photon 25, though it's getting crowded on my restaurant rack and the Photon may be the one to go, even though that IR X/Y/Z controller is very cool. Writing that made me think that it may be best to dedicate it to controlling the JV-1010 which I got purely for ambient noise processed by the AirFX/AirSynth duo. Sort of my "hands off" rig. Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 31 17:54:25 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F3FB43BF14; Thu, 31 May 2007 17:54:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=lWfIydeaWAdXtiaEysJ5SGR0gRDOW2oY8JD45za0/PHdOBez5ghtKyX3nusgjnui8yorp6Q2+gSLcukREXnfqIPiAMWFXuGoWSwGPEKBClZTTRFvVvu2MjuuXLu/IGH16e3nP8Xrk+P7lS9jkeKI2/fLbTOwHqOeD8hdHFeK3Ck= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=UooYYTzF6YQH9x8ghdn3qPCBOrj3gmc64NSn/YbCwkpr+Ohc8e/cauXRHFEFczhoeOj/fnnXUBXUKh7c6V/3vOgLIUkns1qzi/zLCGLY7GDavsP4X+1rUrOu8q3Enlbjm/359lfPuKsICrO8FM2iZb2iVh+wtJsI6ItJN17c+Ro= Message-ID: Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 10:54:23 -0700 From: "Travis Hartnett" To: LD Subject: Re: So why Boise? In-Reply-To: <006201c7a3ab$539446f0$fabcd4d0$@org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <006201c7a3ab$539446f0$fabcd4d0$@org> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70639 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 17:54:24 +0000 (UTC) Because someone in Boise said "I really want this thing to happen, so I'm going to put a huge amount of work into making sure that it does." If that guy lived in New Jersey, it'd have happened there. TravisH On 5/31/07, Andrew Koenig wrote: > I keep hearing about this looping festival in Boise and wonder: Why don't I > know about more stuff like that here in northern New Jersey? I mean, we > have the highest population density of any state--you'd think there'd be > some of everything. > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 31 17:59:59 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 955FD3BF18; Thu, 31 May 2007 17:59:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 13:56:12 -0400 From: Douglas Baldwin Subject: Re: happy birthday pauline oliveros (may 30) To: Michael Peters , Loopers Delight Message-id: <002d01c7a3ad$66d12240$9715be18@oemcomputer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <007d01c7a398$cd8461b0$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> Resent-Message-ID: <3DXsJC.A.8eD.f0wXGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70640 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 17:59:59 +0000 (UTC) Pauline! may she live to 100! dB ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Peters" To: "Loopers Delight" Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2007 11:31 AM Subject: happy birthday pauline oliveros (may 30) > one day too late, but still - best wishes to Pauline Oliveros who got 75 > yesterday and I think can now be called grandmother of live looping! To see > her play her giant accordion over her system of multichannel loops is truly > something special. > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pauline_Oliveros > http://www.deeplistening.org/pauline/ > And I feel especially grateful to her for her spiritual work which focuses > on listening and presence. > > Michael Peters > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 31 18:01:42 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9AB493BF16; Thu, 31 May 2007 18:01:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) To: Loop List Message-Id: <73D8B14C-D53C-47F6-87A1-FD52C5493130@steve-lawson.co.uk> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-3-463833676 From: Steve Lawson Subject: Re: post your setup Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 19:01:36 +0100 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - dot1.hosting-ontap.co.uk X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - steve-lawson.co.uk X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70641 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 18:01:42 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-3-463833676 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed set-up - Bass --> Lexicon MPX-G2--> Looperlative --> PA. that's all folks. :o) Steve www.stevelawson.net - site www.stevelawson.net/zencart/ - shop http://steve.anthropiccollective.org - blog www.myspace.com/solobassstevelawson --Apple-Mail-3-463833676 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 set-up -=A0

Bass --> Lexicon = MPX-G2--> Looperlative --> PA.=A0

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= --Apple-Mail-3-463833676-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 31 18:15:08 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4561E3BEF8; Thu, 31 May 2007 18:15:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=LH1CnRusTDRHOfjQmrGnvmgXOj8dcpkpg4n+ijNRmO5imhBm1kLpxR83VL69YXg/V1My8gBoZQO2hu0bJMJQd3OKLWNhTezu2zvd05QrqIJRIl5EJ8gC8sSSBGJDZaDvgNIf2gjSi4Z8mNXYBLeZaWkB+2lA46Y88/EehsMAefs= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=XXpnBp0vJ7lS5QlvWZ7xXwXLkvCho3FsuSyaKzJc+F2Wo77Z5pQHIU2zZzYS91B4IodKuFr6tlJwElQstQWgKEMk8+ghuDhBgPLsSgI3fZz9eK6qf2vNn8431MsOFW/9dv2keAWtfNW5f/vrJ0h0lYDv+qGUTsaLXkYJtKBr+Vg= Message-ID: <9e0440a60705311115vb847a6fp258eb3044c254d3f@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 14:15:05 -0400 From: "Jim Goodin" To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Musings from Memorial Day MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_24617_30473778.1180635305839" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70642 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 18:15:08 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_24617_30473778.1180635305839 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Hey folks... I wanted to post some recent work for group interest and sharing what I do as several of you have of late. Over the last couple of years I've been emerging and widening from a solo fingerstyle guitar world that I've been in for several years. The experiences of this community as well as work that I've done for the last several months with Daryl Shawn in our Chinapaintingduo has been pushing me particularly towards more improvised and less composed. Additionally for a Christmas present to myself I acquired a fretless guitar which I've been digging a great deal particularly in my slide and improv. It's an eBay generic Ovation-ripoff but plays pretty well. Here are links to two solo (multi-layered in the first one with the piano) pieces I did over this last weekend. Providing technical along with them for those interested. Thanks for listening. http://www.jimgoodinmusic.com/audio/Jim_Goodin_Thousand_Years_Till_Yesterday.mp3 fretless guitar, Yamaha piano (synthetic), Digitech Ditigital Delay (reverse voice and 4-sec sampler used), Arion Stereo Digital Delay, metal slide http://www.jimgoodinmusic.com/audio/Jim_Goodin_Voices_in_the_Canyon.mp3 fretless guitar, Digitech Ditigital Delay (reverse voice used), Arion Stereo Digital Delay, metal slide Jim PS... BTW re Chinapainting for those in the northeast, we're going to be live in the same timezone for 3 or 4 shows in the NY area during late July/Aug, more specifics later greetings from Brooklyn... -- The Acoustic World Guitar of Jim Goodin - http://www.jimgoodinmusic.com MySpace (solo) - http://www.myspace.com/jimgoodinmusic Chinapainting - http://www.chinapaintingmusic.com Chinapainting on My Space - http://www.myspace.com/chinapaintingmusic.com The Jim Goodin label and home for 7 other creative souls - http://www.woodandwiremusic.com Jim Goodin uses GHS Strings - http://www.ghsstrings.com and Seagull Guitars - http://www.seagullguitars.com, Jim Goodin is published by Mel Bay Publications, Inc. - http://www.melbay.com Associates and friends on the web - Daryl Shawn - http://www.swanwelder.com Adam Werner - http://www.adamwerner.com John Stowell - http://www.johnstowell.com Matt Richards - http://www.mattrichardsmusic.net Michael Manring - http://www.manthing.com Will Ackerman - http://www.williamackerman.com New Land Music - http://www.newlandmusic.com ------=_Part_24617_30473778.1180635305839 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline
Hey folks...
 
I wanted to post some recent work for group interest and sharing what I do as several of you have of late.  Over the last couple of years I've been emerging and widening from a solo fingerstyle guitar world that I've been in for several years.  The experiences of this community as well as work that I've done for the last several months with Daryl Shawn in our Chinapainting duo has been pushing me particularly towards more improvised and less composed.  Additionally for a Christmas present to myself I acquired a fretless guitar which I've been digging a great deal particularly in my slide and improv.  It's an eBay generic Ovation-ripoff but plays pretty well.  Here are links to two solo (multi-layered in the first one with the piano) pieces I did over this last weekend.  Providing technical along with them for those interested.  Thanks for listening.
 
fretless guitar, Yamaha piano (synthetic), Digitech Ditigital Delay (reverse voice and 4-sec sampler used), Arion Stereo Digital Delay, metal slide
 
fretless guitar, Digitech Ditigital Delay (reverse voice used), Arion Stereo Digital Delay, metal slide
 
Jim
 
PS... BTW re Chinapainting for those in the northeast, we're going to be live in the same timezone for 3 or 4 shows in the NY area during late July/Aug, more specifics later
 
greetings from Brooklyn...
--
The Acoustic World Guitar of Jim Goodin  - http://www.jimgoodinmusic.com
MySpace (solo) - http://www.myspace.com/jimgoodinmusic
Chinapainting -
http://www.chinapaintingmusic.com
Chinapainting on My Space -
http://www.myspace.com/chinapaintingmusic.com
The Jim Goodin label and home for 7 other creative souls - http://www.woodandwiremusic.com
Jim Goodin uses GHS Strings - http://www.ghsstrings.com and Seagull Guitars - http://www.seagullguitars.com, Jim Goodin is published by Mel Bay Publications, Inc. - http://www.melbay.com

Associates and friends on the web -
Daryl Shawn -
http://www.swanwelder.com
Adam Werner - http://www.adamwerner.com
John Stowell - http://www.johnstowell.com
Matt Richards - http://www.mattrichardsmusic.net
Michael Manring - http://www.manthing.com
Will Ackerman - http://www.williamackerman.com
New Land Music - http://www.newlandmusic.com
------=_Part_24617_30473778.1180635305839-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 31 18:16:23 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3715C3BF0E; Thu, 31 May 2007 18:16:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <0afc01c7a3af$ca2e8880$6bb0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <006201c7a3ab$539446f0$fabcd4d0$@org> Subject: Re: So why Boise? Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 12:16:19 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70643 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 18:16:23 +0000 (UTC) That about sums it up. It takes a bunch of OCD MFs like me, Rick, etc. Someone has to make it a priority and drive it home on their own. It takes a fair amount of event, financial, and program managment skills as well, which isn't a skill everyone is comfortable with. Andrew, seems like you have a calling here? :) Can I play at your festival? Kris ----- Original Message ----- > Because someone in Boise said "I really want this thing to happen, so > I'm going to put a huge amount of work into making sure that it does." > If that guy lived in New Jersey, it'd have happened there. > > TravisH > > On 5/31/07, Andrew Koenig wrote: >> I keep hearing about this looping festival in Boise and wonder: Why don't >> I >> know about more stuff like that here in northern New Jersey? I mean, we >> have the highest population density of any state--you'd think there'd be >> some of everything. >> >> >> > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 31 18:18:50 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0AF973BF01; Thu, 31 May 2007 18:18:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=qeCgPpGIoYYbyULfr96ViYcwv6EedDgKTH30KI8OIyvufp0iydVxdVtfCQni2fNV3007cKMrBU3uiYWtWIdVE7nW9Dl69YAmf2w22xSN4sZF6dJJSGIoLIl1dPk+VXjaLnlYB3z+IoA2kh8wQeSok2XJ4pKEIq3sr1zOPncBd7I= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=ljFu8DQUx6dxqdeDybZn2QxE3v2m5zV9QD6bAmNC13VcWeezPiglbTiinEwUOxMwis1WohhDECXy4IENwgP5OCyB79arWHfYYo1fgi8r/3EJaliGlY8ULZzFuLUkdeHT42swdeWtI5LJsdz+mPwnRQkYSihR4WutVbFW7yfTmiQ= Message-ID: Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 11:18:43 -0700 From: "Doug Wellington" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: So why Boise? In-Reply-To: <0afc01c7a3af$ca2e8880$6bb0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <006201c7a3ab$539446f0$fabcd4d0$@org> <0afc01c7a3af$ca2e8880$6bb0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70644 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 18:18:50 +0000 (UTC) > That about sums it up. It takes a bunch of OCD MFs like me, Rick, etc. > Someone has to make it a priority and drive it home on their own. It takes a > fair amount of event, financial, and program managment skills as well, which > isn't a skill everyone is comfortable with. Anybody interested in coming to Arizona? :-) Doug From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 31 18:20:48 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B0C6A3BF1F; Thu, 31 May 2007 18:20:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Ao8CAOiuXkZKgAATgGdsb2JhbACBSmI3jRwBAQkGBgkGHw Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 13:20:19 -0500 From: mwsmart@insightbb.com Subject: Re: POST YOUR SETUP In-reply-to: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Sun Java(tm) System Messenger Express 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006) Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_GpYodYo8iwokeAinNWQhiQ)" Content-language: en X-Accept-Language: en Priority: normal References: <013b01c7a33a$be3f2b30$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Resent-Message-ID: <17Pb9D.A.FpF.AIxXGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70645 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 18:20:48 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_GpYodYo8iwokeAinNWQhiQ) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline Wow, most of these make my setup look positively primitive! I said it before, but I'll say it again... The jazz guitar crowd and the looping crowd are very different. When I first posted about my setup on the jazz guitar newsgroup, they said "Wow, I've never seen so many pedals". When I first posted it on here, people said, "Wow you get a really nice sound out of such a minimal setup"! LOL! Mark Smart http://www.marksmart.net --Boundary_(ID_GpYodYo8iwokeAinNWQhiQ) Content-type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline

Wow, most of these make my setup look positively primitive! I said it before, but I'll say it again...

The jazz guitar crowd and the looping crowd are very different. When I first posted about my setup on the jazz guitar newsgroup, they said "Wow, I've never seen so many pedals". When I first posted it on here, people said, "Wow you get a really nice sound out of such a minimal setup"! LOL!

Mark Smart

http://www.marksmart.net

--Boundary_(ID_GpYodYo8iwokeAinNWQhiQ)-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 31 18:52:49 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 647063BEE8; Thu, 31 May 2007 18:52:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=CJN8wZ29loOaVwdTfZq6ZiQTudPbRL9CF0xvuTluq2yl9d8lnrxJhM+0fYP0hpF40hSk2DmWDkJeyyglWpMVskf5fgbUnTfBoT3IEJ1QYV3599b28HoH3N7BcHzVwbnoZsJhsvrouOgamQpGF4vI72aOX1LjgQmzhavb31FMYqw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=mM4kH7mWaKJbdaKSF5lExYRh/m5nD4/+6HOTqCVE99umXsVapHVlJzx0OypmlKuM3mU3gKuh4EF3PXa5t8VV76ci4KKdQCdjxOyTTIbcWcqafl9LLPtsurs7ZvmckOtgDlwYPfcgREDHJ5QDFWuVBTbJ5Xvoq75IoKORlIJj1/A= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: References: <013b01c7a33a$be3f2b30$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <904C4C2E-6BBF-46A9-BBDB-F6ED6FAEBF45@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: POST YOUR SETUP Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 20:51:29 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70646 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 18:52:49 +0000 (UTC) > Wow, most of these make my setup look positively primitive! I said > it before, but I'll say it again... > > The jazz guitar crowd and the looping crowd are very different. > When I first posted about my setup on the jazz guitar newsgroup, > they said "Wow, I've never seen so many pedals". When I first > posted it on here, people said, "Wow you get a really nice sound > out of such a minimal setup"! LOL! > > Mark Smart > > http://www.marksmart.net LOL indeed! per From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 31 18:53:31 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 747C43BF01; Thu, 31 May 2007 18:53:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <465F189A.10332.28B737@nick.12testing.net> References: <465F189A.10332.28B737@nick.12testing.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Mark Sottilaro Subject: Re: smallest possible edp foot controller Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 11:53:03 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70647 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 18:53:30 +0000 (UTC) I find it easier ergonomically. On May 31, 2007, at 10:48 AM, nick@12testing.net wrote: > I've often wondered whether the FCB1010 could be accomodated in a > smaller frame with the pedals as separate items, but the expense of > having one knocked up would probably not be worth it. Unless you're > handy with aluminium, of course. > > Why do these people always think big is better? > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 31 18:59:39 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BA2FE3BF01; Thu, 31 May 2007 18:59:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: cburke55@comcast.net (Christophe) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: happy birthday pauline oliveros (may 30) Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 18:59:36 +0000 Message-Id: <053120071859.8790.465F1B1800065D0C000022562207300793CACA0A059D9A0D0C@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Oct 4 2006) X-Authenticated-Sender: Y2J1cmtlNTVAY29tY2FzdC5uZXQ= Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70648 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 18:59:39 +0000 (UTC) Happy Birthday, Butterfly! Chris B -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: Douglas Baldwin > Pauline! may she live to 100! > dB > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Michael Peters" > To: "Loopers Delight" > Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2007 11:31 AM > Subject: happy birthday pauline oliveros (may 30) > > > > one day too late, but still - best wishes to Pauline Oliveros who got 75 > > yesterday and I think can now be called grandmother of live looping! To > see > > her play her giant accordion over her system of multichannel loops is > truly > > something special. > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pauline_Oliveros > > http://www.deeplistening.org/pauline/ > > And I feel especially grateful to her for her spiritual work which focuses > > on listening and presence. > > > > Michael Peters > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 31 19:02:14 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2B2D03BF04; Thu, 31 May 2007 19:02:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: References: <013b01c7a33a$be3f2b30$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1-467267256 Message-Id: <4152f4f205a0fef782d7d328026885bf@glasswing.com> From: Richard Sales Subject: A shameless spam and call for help Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 11:58:50 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70649 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 19:02:14 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-1-467267256 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Hi Friends I'm in the middle of proposing some music stuff to some big music hoo hahs. So far so good. Now I posted three pieces on YouTube four days ago and they're getting very good response. NONE OF THIS IS LOOPING. And it's about as ambient as a sledge hammer! It's what I used to do and what people seem to enjoy so much. It's not where I am currently at all... although I did just do a performance with this band ("R Sales & The Musical Fruit") and loved it. I think I'll probably always do this... but under my alter ego "Grandpappy Twice" so as to separate it from my more 'serious' music. So I'm asking if you'll go and check out the tunes to help pump up my numbers for this proposal. And if you like it, pass it around. If it works, eventually it could be beneficial to the looping world. And it DOES have the reigning King of Brown Tone Generators, chief Mechanic of The Funk Engine, and fellow looper, Miles Ward on two of the pieces. Miles rips it up on "Bongs, Not Bombs!" I think it might get a chuckle or two: "The Texas Chainsaw Messiah": http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gQbDTMvDAY4 "The Hemp Jingle (Bongs, Not Bombs)" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nfU12NY4nng&mode=user&search= "Heart Shaped Window" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MkVP1r2arGs&mode=user&search= And just for your OPTIONAL reading pleasure, here's the accompanying letter I use in my bulk emails (aka SPAM!) announcing this: Sorry for the spam. I'm a vegetarian and I know (or remember) how bad Spam can be. Not only that, but the dingos that DO spam have stolen ______@glasswing.com to send out billions of 'enlarge this' and 'shrink that' emails. It's awful! I'm blocked by Comcast and others because of it. But if I didn't send out bulk emails I'd spend the rest of my life writing individual ones. (Reply and I'll reply!!!) So here goes... and hopefully it's pretty harmless - and received with forgiveness. Some binary chunks of me are now living on YouTube. Video of 'GrandpappyTwice' live. Just crazy stuff... but pass it around. (Links to YouTube pieces) I think I wanna stay anonymous with this stuff so if you do pass it around, my name is Grandpappy Twice. I had two different people come up to me at a festival here in Canada and say "Don't play that in the states. You'll get shot!" Also, I've just learned, "GrandpappyTwice" has been banned in Thailand already from the YouTube vid's. Hopefully Richard Sales isn't gonna get caned when he goes there! I also encourage all to check out Bongs, Not Bombs because, well, it's a daffy song... but also because of the wonderful tuba (sousaphone) solo by Miles Ward at the end. And Heart shaped Window is one of my own personal faves. Drink one down and pass it around! It will make people laugh... which is always good... and help me a lot! There are some interesting things going on with my music career as we speak and the more folks that watch my YouTubes, the better. Thanks times MC squared, richard sales glassWing farm and studio vancouver island, b.c. 800.545.6846 250.752.4816 www.glassWing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com On 31-May-07, at 11:20 AM, mwsmart@insightbb.com wrote: > Wow, most of these make my setup look positively primitive! I said it > before, but I'll say it again... > > The jazz guitar crowd and the looping crowd are very different. When I > first posted about my setup on the jazz guitar newsgroup, they said > "Wow, I've never seen so many pedals". When I first posted it on here, > people said, "Wow you get a really nice sound out of such a minimal > setup"! LOL! > > Mark Smart > > http://www.marksmart.net --Apple-Mail-1-467267256 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=US-ASCII Hi Friends I'm in the middle of proposing some music stuff to some big music hoo hahs. So far so good. Now I posted three pieces on YouTube four days ago and they're getting very good response. NONE OF THIS IS LOOPING. And it's about as ambient as a sledge hammer! It's what I used to do and what people seem to enjoy so much. It's not where I am currently at all... although I did just do a performance with this band ("R Sales & The Musical Fruit") and loved it. I think I'll probably always do this... but under my alter ego "Grandpappy Twice" so as to separate it from my more 'serious' music. So I'm asking if you'll go and check out the tunes to help pump up my numbers for this proposal. And if you like it, pass it around. If it works, eventually it could be beneficial to the looping world. And it DOES have the reigning King of Brown Tone Generators, chief Mechanic of The Funk Engine, and fellow looper, Miles Ward on two of the pieces. Miles rips it up on "Bongs, Not Bombs!" I think it might get a chuckle or two: "The Texas Chainsaw Messiah": http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gQbDTMvDAY4 "The Hemp Jingle (Bongs, Not Bombs)" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nfU12NY4nng&mode=user&search= "Heart Shaped Window" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MkVP1r2arGs&mode=user&search= And just for your OPTIONAL reading pleasure, here's the accompanying letter I use in my bulk emails (aka SPAM!) announcing this: Sorry for the spam. I'm a vegetarian and I know (or remember) how bad Spam can be. Not only that, but the dingos that DO spam have stolen ______@glasswing.com to send out billions of 'enlarge this' and 'shrink that' emails. It's awful! I'm blocked by Comcast and others because of it. But if I didn't send out bulk emails I'd spend the rest of my life writing individual ones. (Reply and I'll reply!!!) So here goes... and hopefully it's pretty harmless - and received with forgiveness. Some binary chunks of me are now living on YouTube. Video of 'GrandpappyTwice' live. Just crazy stuff... but pass it around. (Links to YouTube pieces) I think I wanna stay anonymous with this stuff so if you do pass it around, my name is Grandpappy Twice. I had two different people come up to me at a festival here in Canada and say "Don't play that in the states. You'll get shot!" Also, I've just learned, "GrandpappyTwice" has been banned in Thailand already from the YouTube vid's. Hopefully Richard Sales isn't gonna get caned when he goes there! I also encourage all to check out Bongs, Not Bombs because, well, it's a daffy song... but also because of the wonderful tuba (sousaphone) solo by Miles Ward at the end. And Heart shaped Window is one of my own personal faves. Drink one down and pass it around! It will make people laugh... which is always good... and help me a lot! There are some interesting things going on with my music career as we speak and the more folks that watch my YouTubes, the better. Thanks times MC squared, Gadgetrichard sales 7373,7F7F,C5C5glassWing farm and studio vancouver island, b.c. 800.545.6846 250.752.4816C3C3,9696,1C1C www.glassWing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com On 31-May-07, at 11:20 AM, mwsmart@insightbb.com wrote: Wow, most of these make my setup look positively primitive! I said it before, but I'll say it again... The jazz guitar crowd and the looping crowd are very different. When I first posted about my setup on the jazz guitar newsgroup, they said "Wow, I've never seen so many pedals". When I first posted it on here, people said, "Wow you get a really nice sound out of such a minimal setup"! LOL! Mark Smart 0000,0000,EEEEhttp://www.marksmart.net --Apple-Mail-1-467267256-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 31 19:12:16 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8A50A3BF04; Thu, 31 May 2007 19:12:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <0b2c01c7a3b7$98d7ca50$6bb0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <006201c7a3ab$539446f0$fabcd4d0$@org> <0afc01c7a3af$ca2e8880$6bb0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Subject: Re: So why Boise? Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 13:12:12 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70650 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 19:12:16 +0000 (UTC) I would. Can have the festival at a resort in the Tucson area? :) I need a vacation. Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Doug Wellington" To: Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2007 12:18 PM Subject: Re: So why Boise? >> That about sums it up. It takes a bunch of OCD MFs like me, Rick, etc. >> Someone has to make it a priority and drive it home on their own. It >> takes a >> fair amount of event, financial, and program managment skills as well, >> which >> isn't a skill everyone is comfortable with. > > Anybody interested in coming to Arizona? :-) > > Doug > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 31 19:12:39 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 140103BF17; Thu, 31 May 2007 19:12:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=0pAehSSGpZXkwPvfCDfpqjzyxvqRKU8wGolfAyTFAws2V+sZe/WV5vhccP/j2I3GRbC4kg9YeT4h6GvlWys0gRo17Y79PbJFrTqMo3YG/1b/H+qO1U4EAw9wvZrF5xgkuU9hGOMaQTOX51ZV1CqPeeAbZekZw4mTYOwcrFTkHwE=; X-YMail-OSG: 4nKAsswVM1luWfbKXK9DxgtD7UfsNmQY4keB.L4I9QkqZWSnPOd_GmjZbq3hNULBYQ-- Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 12:12:38 -0700 (PDT) From: Stephen Scott Subject: Re: POST YOUR SETUP To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-148032216-1180638758=:59993" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <178959.59993.qm@web53002.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70651 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 19:12:38 +0000 (UTC) --0-148032216-1180638758=:59993 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I thought my set up was complex until I saw some of these other postings, phew! I've got no fancy schematic pics but; Elec Guitar >>Korg Toneworks AX3000G>>stereo into Behringer Xenyx 1622 mixer These 2 channel inserts are 'sniffed' to provide stereo feed into Lexicon Vortex, the OP of which goes into another stereo input of mixer. >From Mixer, mono aux send 1 to Behringer DSP2024, returns into stereo mixer channel >From Mixer, mono aux send 2 to Boss RC20XL, returns into mono mixer channel >From Mixer, sub-group outputs provide stereo feed to Redsound Soundbite Loop Sampler, return to stereo mixer channel >From Soundbite, through stereo feed to Yamaha SU10 sampler, return to stereo mixer channel This set up gives me the flexibility to send signals from anything into pretty much anything else. I have put little red 'warning' stickers on certain controls to dissuade me to feed the 2024 and RC20 back into themselves. There is also a yellow 'caution' sticker on the sub-group button of the Soundbite channel, although I will occasionally want to feed this back into itself. Don't forget the old cliche though, it's not the size of the rig that's important, it's what you do with it that counts. While I'm here, 2 questions to the group. 1. There seem to be very few users of the EHX 2880. Why is this ? it seems reasonably well featured for the price, and there are lots of 16-second delay devotees around, so is the 2880 really that bad ? It seems impossible to get hold of one to demo in the UK, please someone let me know their views on this. 2. Has anyone carried out a modification on the Redsound Soundbite (prev known as Cycloops) to feed out the sample buttons to 6 footswitches on the floor ? It should be reasonably easy to do this, but before I invalidate the warranty, I wondered if anyone has any tips. I've tried putting the thing on the floor to use, but my toes aren't dainty enough to hit the buttons properly. Stephen http://www.myspace.com/sylvianfisher --------------------------------- 8:00? 8:25? 8:40? Find a flick in no time with theYahoo! Search movie showtime shortcut. --0-148032216-1180638758=:59993 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I thought my set up was complex until I saw some of these other postings, phew!

I've got no fancy schematic pics but;

Elec Guitar >>Korg Toneworks AX3000G>>stereo into Behringer Xenyx 1622 mixer
These 2 channel inserts are 'sniffed' to provide stereo feed into Lexicon Vortex, the OP of which goes into another stereo input of mixer.

From Mixer, mono aux send 1 to Behringer DSP2024, returns into stereo mixer channel
From Mixer, mono aux send 2 to Boss RC20XL, returns into mono mixer channel
From Mixer, sub-group outputs provide stereo feed to Redsound Soundbite Loop Sampler, return to stereo mixer channel
From Soundbite, through stereo feed to Yamaha SU10 sampler, return to stereo mixer channel

This set up gives me the flexibility to send signals from anything into pretty much anything else.  I have put little red 'warning' stickers on certain controls to dissuade me to feed the 2024 and RC20 back into themselves.  There is also a yellow 'caution' sticker on the sub-group button of the Soundbite channel, although I will occasionally want to feed this back into itself. 

Don't forget the old cliche though, it's not the size of the rig that's important, it's what you do with it that counts.

While I'm here, 2 questions to the group. 

1.    There seem to be very few users of the EHX 2880.  Why is this ? it seems reasonably well featured for the price, and there are lots of 16-second delay devotees around, so is the 2880 really that bad ?  It seems impossible to get hold of one to demo in the UK, please someone let me know their views on this.

2.    Has anyone carried out a modification on the Redsound Soundbite (prev known as Cycloops) to feed out the sample buttons to  6 footswitches on the floor ? It should be reasonably easy to do this, but before I invalidate the warranty, I wondered if anyone has any tips.  I've tried putting the thing on the floor to use, but my toes aren't dainty enough to hit the buttons properly.

Stephen
http://www.myspace.com/sylvianfisher

8:00? 8:25? 8:40? Find a flick in no time
with theYahoo! Search movie showtime shortcut. --0-148032216-1180638758=:59993-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 31 19:30:48 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 332C93BF0C; Thu, 31 May 2007 19:30:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <010901c7a3ba$3048a420$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "RICK WALKER" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: so why Boise? Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 12:30:47 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Spam-Flag: YES X-Spam-Status: Yes, score=1.3 required=1.0 tests=AWL,FH_HOST_EQ_D_D_D_D, RDNS_DYNAMIC,STOX_REPLY_TYPE,TVD_RCVD_SINGLE autolearn=disabled version=3.2.0 X-Spam-Report: * 0.0 STOX_REPLY_TYPE STOX_REPLY_TYPE * 2.0 FH_HOST_EQ_D_D_D_D Host starts with d-d-d-d * 0.3 TVD_RCVD_SINGLE TVD_RCVD_SINGLE * 0.1 RDNS_DYNAMIC Delivered to trusted network by host with * dynamic-looking rDNS * -1.1 AWL AWL: From: address is in the auto white-list X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.0 (2007-05-01) on mail.cruzio.com Resent-Message-ID: <4JxFOC.A.uWD.nJyXGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70652 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 19:30:48 +0000 (UTC) Andrew wrote: "I keep hearing about this looping festival in Boise and wonder: Why don't I know about more stuff like that here in northern New Jersey? I mean, we have the highest population density of any state--you'd think there'd be some of everything." The simple answer to 'why Boise?' is one human being, Kris Hartung. The longer answer to your wondering why things like this don't happen in New Jersey has nothing to do with New Jersey , per se. Essentially, so far in the short history of the live looping movement (and other movements like Experimental, Dark Ambient, Noise, which don't have huge numbers in their fanbase) the large events that happen are because of the work of usually one person in a region who has a vision and decides they want to put the incredible, non-paying work into making it manifest. There wouldn't be much happening without the selfless hard work and vision of people like Hans Lindauer (Loopstock), Bernhard Wagner (Zurich Loopfest- the first pan European looping festival), Kris Hartung (BEMF, which ,even though an experimental music festival, still had so many loopers that it has to be included as an ersatz looping festival), Andrew Ostler (Os-Cambridge Live Looping Festival), Leander Reininghaus and Andreas Willers (Berlin Live Looping Festival), Massimo Liverani (Firenze Live Looping Festival), Rainer Straschill (various Kyberjams) and myself (Y2K_ Loopfests). There have also been sporadic one off festivals in the east but not very many, unfortunately (although the weekly series in New York City has to be mentioned). If I missed anyone, please don't take offence, I"m sick today and feeling pretty wobbly intellectually speaking. Anyone who has tried to do a similar festival knows that it is very, very hard work and it can be an utter burnoout. Hans Lindauer stopped after three annual festivals, Os stopped after three annual Cambridge Festivals. My heart and gratitude goes out to these guys for putting as much energy out as they have. I've done about 15 festivals so far , including 6 of the Y2K series and I've seriously considered stopping because it takes so much energy away from my own artistic, creative output every year (not to mention the financial drain which is constant every year). So, my very long answer to you is that you yourself should consider doing a live looping festival in New Jersey. Someone has to make these sacrifices in order for things like this to happen. I'd be happy to advise you on any single part of it (and I've learned a lot about how to conserve energy and money while doing such a crazy wonderful thing). I'd also love to fly out and perform at it if that's appropriate too. yours, sincerely, Rick Walker organizer Y2K_ International Live Looping Festivals From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 31 19:43:42 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 385413BEFE; Thu, 31 May 2007 19:43:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <465F256F.7070607@biink.com> Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 15:43:43 -0400 From: David Beardsley Reply-To: db@biink.com Organization: Biink & SSI User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2 (Windows/20050317) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Cc: Michael Peters Subject: Re: happy birthday pauline oliveros (may 30) References: <007d01c7a398$cd8461b0$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> <002d01c7a3ad$66d12240$9715be18@oemcomputer> In-Reply-To: <002d01c7a3ad$66d12240$9715be18@oemcomputer> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70653 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 19:43:42 +0000 (UTC) Douglas Baldwin wrote: >Pauline! may she live to 100! >dB > What he said. dB -- * David Beardsley * microtonal guitar * http://biink.com/db * http://biink.com/poole From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 31 19:44:28 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DCDA53BF05; Thu, 31 May 2007 19:44:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=QNEJSQwL3JbOdQ9FlmYq/jeVLMqbMpYPzgNzKlj2QAlq5NZxBzE5uIp+NYQCAxMqjtuEKkGFKWxDg4eqsNCX4YueAtnXXjcWHnmknrGEFRGTnNQn/ajMFOep71/Lhrwi2ie12VPTSVvxwbcbCNA+DHq/PUwugZCGjuZ1ueyyKWA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=rw5GCS+yoVdANHBnLWeKXk7sjjdhJq8tdlzSF7MOTVgT1s6n03yURW6gLEa5aT3+ff6dtG3ZFe01cc9YFsCJziQ4GFHXOeiWm6nBu3U35EauRnL3ARuAA3MoRrhbfR1ccGEFFfmlzc1At7h6iYskE6xkLe312sDF96Hxy8fQtC4= Message-ID: Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 15:44:27 -0400 From: "Tony K" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: so why Boise? In-Reply-To: <010901c7a3ba$3048a420$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_20341_25431535.1180640667139" References: <010901c7a3ba$3048a420$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70654 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 19:44:28 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_20341_25431535.1180640667139 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline I'd be interested in an NJ loopfest since I'm in eastern PA. Philly seems to have a decent ambient scene (see the Philly_Ambient yahoo group) but I haven't heard about any looping things. As everybody else has pointed out, it takes someone to give up their life for a while to organize and run the thing. I know there are quite a few people in the general NE area on the list, so I'd guess that it wouldn't be hard to get a decent number of performers. It's all the rest that's a pain, eh Rick? Tony Andrew wrote: > "I keep hearing about this looping festival in Boise and wonder: Why don't > I > know about more stuff like that here in northern New Jersey? I mean, we > have the highest population density of any state--you'd think there'd be > some of everything." > > ------=_Part_20341_25431535.1180640667139 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline I'd be interested in an NJ loopfest since I'm in eastern PA.  Philly seems to have a decent ambient scene (see the Philly_Ambient yahoo group) but I haven't heard about any looping things.  As everybody else has pointed out, it takes someone to give up their life for a while to organize and run the thing.

I know there are quite a few people in the general NE area on the list, so I'd guess that it wouldn't be hard to get a decent number of performers.  It's all the rest that's a pain, eh Rick?

Tony


Andrew wrote:
"I keep hearing about this looping festival in Boise and wonder: Why don't I
know about more stuff like that here in northern New Jersey?  I mean, we
have the highest population density of any state--you'd think there'd be
some of everything."


------=_Part_20341_25431535.1180640667139-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 31 19:58:01 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 408E83BF10; Thu, 31 May 2007 19:58:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <465F28C4.40000@gordius.be> Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 21:57:56 +0200 From: GORDIUS info Reply-To: "GORDIUS info"@hoboe1bl1.telenet-ops.be User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.0 (Windows/20070326) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: smallest possible edp foot controller References: <465F189A.10332.28B737@nick.12testing.net> In-Reply-To: <465F189A.10332.28B737@nick.12testing.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70655 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 19:58:01 +0000 (UTC) remember the GORDIUS Little Giant, Nick? It started as a project to extend the FCB1010 possibilities through a hardware extension box. But then I also tried to tackle the FCB size problem by building this extension box into a much more compact foot controller (13.2" x 6.4" - see pictures @ http://www.gordius.be ). Separate expression pedals can be connected if needed. (anyway, not available yet... ) nick@12testing.net wrote: > I've often wondered whether the FCB1010 could be accomodated in a > smaller frame with the pedals as separate items, but the expense of > having one knocked up would probably not be worth it. Unless you're > handy with aluminium, of course. > > Why do these people always think big is better? > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 31 19:59:55 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F3FEC3BF0B; Thu, 31 May 2007 19:59:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [63.93.82.23] From: max valentino To: Subject: RE: So why Boise? Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 19:59:53 +0000 Importance: Normal Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 31 May 2007 19:59:53.0689 (UTC) FILETIME=[413BA490:01C7A3BE] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70656 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 19:59:54 +0000 (UTC) Hey...I am up for a trip to Arizona...if others are as well. It's actually= probably a bit of a shorter drive than up to SantaCruz. =20 If Ted does try something in Oregon...I am there (even if just to play some= duets with the most esteemed Mr. Killian in some java house...). And, Kris...ya got anything happening in Boise this summer (I feel a need f= or a roadtrip...) Max >=20 > > That about sums it up. It takes a bunch of OCD MFs like me, Rick, etc. > > Someone has to make it a priority and drive it home on their own. It ta= kes a > > fair amount of event, financial, and program managment skills as well, = which > > isn't a skill everyone is comfortable with. >=20 > Anybody interested in coming to Arizona? :-) >=20 > Doug >=20 _________________________________________________________________ Change is good. See what=92s different about Windows Live Hotmail. www.windowslive-hotmail.com/learnmore/default.html?locale=3Den-us&ocid=3DTX= T_TAGLM_HMWL_reten_changegood_0507= From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 31 20:09:27 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 73C793BF13; Thu, 31 May 2007 20:09:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <465F2B78.9060608@biink.com> Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 16:09:28 -0400 From: David Beardsley Reply-To: db@biink.com Organization: Biink & SSI User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2 (Windows/20050317) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: NJ Looping Festival References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70657 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 20:09:27 +0000 (UTC) Let me know where and when. I'm in central NJ - Rahway. Where in NJ? Any ideas? I think all we really need is a venue, there couldn't be a shortage of loopers. -- * David Beardsley * microtonal guitar * http://biink.com/db * http://biink.com/poole From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 31 20:16:26 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AB0113BF0D; Thu, 31 May 2007 20:16:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <0b5901c7a3c0$8fb34f90$6bb0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: Subject: Re: So why Boise? Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 14:16:22 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="Windows-1252"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70658 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 20:16:26 +0000 (UTC) As a mastter of fact, I will be trying to put on a mini show here in Boise again, like what I did last summer. I brought Kaiser and Killian here last year for a one night show. I need to get Rick here again, as I think he has fallen in love with Boise but just hasn't admited it yet. :) I'll see what I can drum up for the mid to late summer timeframe, in between my business trips to Europe and Asia. Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "max valentino" Hey...I am up for a trip to Arizona...if others are as well. It's actually probably a bit of a shorter drive than up to SantaCruz. If Ted does try something in Oregon...I am there (even if just to play some duets with the most esteemed Mr. Killian in some java house...). And, Kris...ya got anything happening in Boise this summer (I feel a need for a roadtrip...) Max > > > That about sums it up. It takes a bunch of OCD MFs like me, Rick, etc. > > Someone has to make it a priority and drive it home on their own. It > > takes a > > fair amount of event, financial, and program managment skills as well, > > which > > isn't a skill everyone is comfortable with. > > Anybody interested in coming to Arizona? :-) > > Doug > _________________________________________________________________ Change is good. See what’s different about Windows Live Hotmail. www.windowslive-hotmail.com/learnmore/default.html?locale=en-us&ocid=TXT_TAGLM_HMWL_reten_changegood_0507 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 31 20:18:33 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 10B7F3BF0E; Thu, 31 May 2007 20:18:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=LNkYY42twPgAYiiucRiPpJcjsaU2B6brX+GbD0ZT+PlcVyL5wt+cQq1nxXNJBfB7icHbloD7f4S2Y7Mrkw7TRB083lM7iLPovUEhO3oQ46G6Ukw0QZIG5TvV4q1AKq2DfIw5MHNnFpEP27jzUwYy48DCPhztI0MEf6WKqImWypM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=CAOx9OP4NauvyksgQWXKhmutKjdSLLDAW7E4YNainTqU4oRni0Qks7CBRS0UmHnyMmbmiOYDdus3zQ1pvJfAUmjhFOTFMFZ/dSQO1ToMtc/MhwO8MjwZv685TEKvvAl7e4WDB5y79/DSNkFKg0nJVXLG04Xpru9/HMk5lU3cd64= Message-ID: Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 16:18:29 -0400 From: "Tony K" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: NJ Looping Festival In-Reply-To: <465F2B78.9060608@biink.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_20569_25943146.1180642709457" References: <465F2B78.9060608@biink.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70659 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 20:18:33 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_20569_25943146.1180642709457 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Maybe the NJ ProgHouse? http://www.njproghouse.com/ Jim Robinson might be up for it. I really don't know. Bill Fox might know better.. Like how I dragged you into this Bill? :) Tony On 5/31/07, David Beardsley wrote: > > Let me know where and when. I'm in central NJ - Rahway. > > Where in NJ? Any ideas? I think all we really need is a venue, there > couldn't be a shortage > of loopers. > > -- > * David Beardsley > * microtonal guitar > * http://biink.com/db > * http://biink.com/poole > > > -- -==-=-=- Tony ------=_Part_20569_25943146.1180642709457 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Maybe the NJ ProgHouse?

http://www.njproghouse.com/

Jim Robinson might be up for it.  I really don't know.  Bill Fox might know better.. Like how I dragged you into this Bill? :)

Tony

On 5/31/07, David Beardsley <db@biink.com> wrote:
Let me know where and when. I'm in central NJ - Rahway.

Where in NJ? Any ideas? I think all we really need is a venue, there
couldn't be a shortage
of loopers.

--
* David Beardsley
* microtonal guitar
* http://biink.com/db
* http://biink.com/poole





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Tony ------=_Part_20569_25943146.1180642709457-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 31 20:21:38 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 590C33BF05; Thu, 31 May 2007 20:21:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 16:23:17 -0400 From: Bill Fox Subject: Re: So why Boise? In-reply-to: <8958131.1180637388486.JavaMail.root@m11> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <465F2EB5.6070500@soundscapes.us> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit References: <006201c7a3ab$539446f0$fabcd4d0$@org> <0afc01c7a3af$ca2e8880$6bb0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <8958131.1180637388486.JavaMail.root@m11> User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.10 (Windows/20070221) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70660 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 20:21:38 +0000 (UTC) Doug Wellington wrote: >> That about sums it up. It takes a bunch of OCD MFs like me, Rick, etc. >> Someone has to make it a priority and drive it home on their own. It >> takes a >> fair amount of event, financial, and program managment skills as >> well, which >> isn't a skill everyone is comfortable with. > Anybody interested in coming to Arizona? :-) > Doug Been there, done that, done that, done that, done that, doing it again! ;-) Going to electro-music 2007 tomorrow, Saturday, and Sunday. Not NJ but close enough. Then there's Hyperspace which is a little closer to northern NJ. Cheers, Bill From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 31 20:24:40 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D6BB63BF1A; Thu, 31 May 2007 20:24:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <465F2F08.10100@biink.com> Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 16:24:40 -0400 From: David Beardsley Reply-To: db@biink.com Organization: Biink & SSI User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2 (Windows/20050317) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: NJ Looping Festival References: <465F2B78.9060608@biink.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70661 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 20:24:39 +0000 (UTC) Tony K wrote: > Maybe the NJ ProgHouse? > > http://www.njproghouse.com/ > > Jim Robinson might be up for it. I really don't know. Bill Fox might > know better.. Like how I dragged you into this Bill? :) I know where it is, but I've never been to a show there. Know him? See if he's interested. -- * David Beardsley * microtonal guitar * http://biink.com/db * http://biink.com/poole From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 31 20:26:33 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0B5773BF1E; Thu, 31 May 2007 20:26:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=IdAR+cIeqYt+HeLofP3XdFoiVrVRKxxA4moyZ0kJxJYJNfFNCEfYtZeBWaN6roRqMxfRaBdEB9gPLIOsbZ9PvIHfqmvpVYc25wZlqCZnhi/eC6pAZH5LXGDsSVC6shATOd5AdNp0l8ff+QdB9ZXeXTB4RAYK6mOpjg4RK7QwNBA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=oJQmCqhTgYxYcLtb5zKeK23sN12Sjhs+c+4uCQ8fOwjrOdUiyfkGOxKDVwd1fwMPdAmHDBCbqra0EHj31T6TJflwH0e/ZX94jkdBjIFWM08oe2rwGewbYi/VitHciZ1hpKUVD4UdVa9r3ylPNg6XUEBNSWUrbMsWkixZai4AmE4= Message-ID: Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 13:26:31 -0700 From: "Doug Wellington" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: So why Boise? In-Reply-To: <0b2c01c7a3b7$98d7ca50$6bb0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <006201c7a3ab$539446f0$fabcd4d0$@org> <0afc01c7a3af$ca2e8880$6bb0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <0b2c01c7a3b7$98d7ca50$6bb0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Resent-Message-ID: <7vl03.A.8YC.49yXGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70662 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 20:26:32 +0000 (UTC) > I would. Can have the festival at a resort in the Tucson area? :) I need a > vacation. El Conquistador and Westward Look are only a couple miles from my house, La Paloma and Tucson National are within 15 minutes and Ventana Canyon is less than a half hour away. And of course, Miraval is only a bit up the road... :-) We also have some great rehab places if anyone needs that kind of thing... ;-) Doug P.S. Of course, you could always stay at Chez Wellington... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 31 20:34:41 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1289B3BF0D; Thu, 31 May 2007 20:34:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <765067950.1180643676445.JavaMail.root@fepweb11> Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 13:34:36 -0700 From: =?utf-8?Q?tEd_=C2=AE_kiLLiAn?= To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: So why Boise? (or Oregon) Cc: max valentino MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Sensitivity: Normal X-Originating-IP: from 66.169.241.110 by mail.charter.net; Thu, 31 May 2007 16:34:36 -0400 X-Chzlrs: 0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70663 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 20:34:41 +0000 (UTC) Oh Max yer makin' me blush. Hold on to that thought though. It may be quite a while before anything happens up here . . . either with m= e or any of the other folks in ORY-GUN. Discussion seeems to have chilled out for the time being on that subject. But "eventually" I think I'll try to do something -- even if it's smallish= . I'm in "gear unloading" mode right now -- trying to finance some portion of= a migration to laptop. That's part of the reason I'm not going to Santa Cruz this year. Tired of schlepping all that gear -- even the GP photo cation makes fun of = me. But once I'm through all that, you'll be the first I'll call. -- tEd =C2=AE kiLLiAn "Different is not always better, but better is always different" Flux Aeterna: http://phobos.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewAlbum?p= layListId=3D6378076=20 http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073 http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314 http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193 http://www.loopers-delight.com/cgi-bin/profiles.cgi?step=3Dview_profile&id= =3D121197000042 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So??? ---- max valentino wrote:=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > Hey...I am up for a trip to Arizona...if others are as well. It's actual= ly probably a bit of a shorter drive than up to SantaCruz. =20 >=20 > If Ted does try something in Oregon...I am there (even if just to play so= me duets with the most esteemed Mr. Killian in some java house...). >=20 > And, Kris...ya got anything happening in Boise this summer (I feel a need= for a roadtrip...) >=20 > Max >=20 >=20 > >=20 > > > That about sums it up. It takes a bunch of OCD MFs like me, Rick, etc= . > > > Someone has to make it a priority and drive it home on their own. It = takes a > > > fair amount of event, financial, and program managment skills as well= , which > > > isn't a skill everyone is comfortable with. > >=20 > > Anybody interested in coming to Arizona? :-) > >=20 > > Doug > >=20 >=20 > _________________________________________________________________ > Change is good. See what=E2=80=99s different about Windows Live Hotmail. > www.windowslive-hotmail.com/learnmore/default.html?locale=3Den-us&ocid=3D= TXT_TAGLM_HMWL_reten_changegood_0507 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 31 20:57:50 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7572C3BF13; Thu, 31 May 2007 20:57:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: <20070531202441.620393BF1E@arsenic.violacea.com> References: <20070531202441.620393BF1E@arsenic.violacea.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-44-474244444 Message-Id: From: David Steinberg Subject: Cycloops foot controller Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 22:55:07 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) Resent-Message-ID: <9Jw_RD.A.5FG.NbzXGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70664 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 20:57:50 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-44-474244444 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed > 2. Has anyone carried out a modification on the Redsound > Soundbite (prev known as Cycloops) to feed out the sample buttons > to 6 footswitches on the floor ? It should be reasonably easy to > do this, but before I invalidate the warranty, I wondered if anyone > has any tips. I've tried putting the thing on the floor to use, > but my toes aren't dainty enough to hit the buttons properly. Yup, someone seems to have done just that, see this thread : http://createdigitalnoise.com/viewtopic.php?t=935 "Simulating the true styles and making carefully. Many colours a lot, selected freely by you !" --Apple-Mail-44-474244444 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1
2.=A0=A0=A0 Has = anyone carried out a modification on the Redsound Soundbite (prev known = as Cycloops) to feed out the sample buttons to=A0 6 footswitches on the = floor ? It should be reasonably easy to do this, but before I invalidate = the warranty, I wondered if anyone has any tips.=A0 I've tried putting = the thing on the floor to use, but my toes aren't dainty enough to hit = the buttons properly.

Yup, someone seems to have = done just that, see this thread :

"Simulating the true styles = and making carefully.
=A0Many colours a lot, selected freely = by you !"



= --Apple-Mail-44-474244444-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 31 21:01:13 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 38FB53BF0F; Thu, 31 May 2007 21:01:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <465F379A.4010900@biink.com> Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 17:01:14 -0400 From: David Beardsley Reply-To: db@biink.com Organization: Biink & SSI User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2 (Windows/20050317) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: db@biink.com Cc: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: NJ Looping Festival References: <465F2B78.9060608@biink.com> <465F2F08.10100@biink.com> In-Reply-To: <465F2F08.10100@biink.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <331-1.A.BjG.ZezXGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70665 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 21:01:13 +0000 (UTC) A festival can start with as little as 3 acts... -- * David Beardsley * microtonal guitar * http://biink.com/db * http://biink.com/poole From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 31 21:04:11 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 51CAE3BF0A; Thu, 31 May 2007 21:04:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=hFDZDDRmrPXQFgih7CdGk6aiU9QD+3EvWZVfezlXej7xLrthFgoF2z1sMLUfwP3dkWvwcimxswoiDwkfcDBntWlsvBSSC9QDu5/fwS+4GMbp6cHxQLgsGBY4UoVWth8qhLeEH9rAlMOYLKAfHO9D/RUdoenVgn1Kws6rY8vXb7E= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=Y29q/m79UsbzAkUoPtx4HoIHo5cUMhJhii8QshIEdJYNPkBGo1B995/wsI9WzyWci41cwSUSDnx/ku+Gbl1lVPK2zsr0H/TW/GFhsNoZ0my5DvVaOnCGdiHnjy5cbkv8iKmWNcqdjYKrBknihSig9p4haXLhFZvRMRWNgzbkuC0= Message-ID: <9e0440a60705311404o7931f313gee386b77bb7c6f22@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 17:04:08 -0400 From: "Jim Goodin" To: db@biink.com Subject: Re: NJ Looping Festival Cc: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <465F2B78.9060608@biink.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_26641_2485669.1180645448635" References: <465F2B78.9060608@biink.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70666 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 21:04:11 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_26641_2485669.1180645448635 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Keep me posted as well, I'm in Brooklyn and would be interested in participating. Jim Goodin www.jimgoodinmusic.com www.myspace.com/jimgoodinmusic www.chinapaintingmusic.com www.myspace.com/chinapaintingmusic On 5/31/07, David Beardsley wrote: > > Let me know where and when. I'm in central NJ - Rahway. > > Where in NJ? Any ideas? I think all we really need is a venue, there > couldn't be a shortage > of loopers. > > -- > * David Beardsley > * microtonal guitar > * http://biink.com/db > * http://biink.com/poole > > > -- The Acoustic World Guitar of Jim Goodin - http://www.jimgoodinmusic.com MySpace (solo) - http://www.myspace.com/jimgoodinmusic Chinapainting - http://www.chinapaintingmusic.com Chinapainting on My Space - http://www.myspace.com/chinapaintingmusic.com The Jim Goodin label and home for 7 other creative souls - http://www.woodandwiremusic.com Jim Goodin uses GHS Strings - http://www.ghsstrings.com and Seagull Guitars - http://www.seagullguitars.com, Jim Goodin is published by Mel Bay Publications, Inc. - http://www.melbay.com Associates and friends on the web - Daryl Shawn - http://www.swanwelder.com Adam Werner - http://www.adamwerner.com John Stowell - http://www.johnstowell.com Matt Richards - http://www.mattrichardsmusic.net Michael Manring - http://www.manthing.com Will Ackerman - http://www.williamackerman.com New Land Music - http://www.newlandmusic.com ------=_Part_26641_2485669.1180645448635 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline
Keep me posted as well, I'm in Brooklyn and would be interested in participating.
 
Jim Goodin


 
On 5/31/07, David Beardsley <db@biink.com> wrote:
Let me know where and when. I'm in central NJ - Rahway.

Where in NJ? Any ideas? I think all we really need is a venue, there
couldn't be a shortage
of loopers.

--
* David Beardsley
* microtonal guitar
* http://biink.com/db
* http://biink.com/poole





--
The Acoustic World Guitar of Jim Goodin  - http://www.jimgoodinmusic.com
MySpace (solo) - http://www.myspace.com/jimgoodinmusic
Chinapainting -
http://www.chinapaintingmusic.com
Chinapainting on My Space -
http://www.myspace.com/chinapaintingmusic.com
The Jim Goodin label and home for 7 other creative souls - http://www.woodandwiremusic.com
Jim Goodin uses GHS Strings - http://www.ghsstrings.com and Seagull Guitars - http://www.seagullguitars.com, Jim Goodin is published by Mel Bay Publications, Inc. - http://www.melbay.com

Associates and friends on the web -
Daryl Shawn -
http://www.swanwelder.com
Adam Werner - http://www.adamwerner.com
John Stowell - http://www.johnstowell.com
Matt Richards - http://www.mattrichardsmusic.net
Michael Manring - http://www.manthing.com
Will Ackerman - http://www.williamackerman.com
New Land Music - http://www.newlandmusic.com ------=_Part_26641_2485669.1180645448635-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 31 21:05:47 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 96C243BF11; Thu, 31 May 2007 21:05:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <9e0440a60705311404o7931f313gee386b77bb7c6f22@mail.gmail.com> References: <465F2B78.9060608@biink.com> <9e0440a60705311404o7931f313gee386b77bb7c6f22@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-11-474880872 Message-Id: <98376C4C-3AA9-4B55-B69A-59B60D161BE1@jamesrichmond.com> From: James Richmond Subject: Re: NJ Looping Festival Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 17:05:43 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: <-oEswB.A.qLH.rizXGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70667 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 21:05:47 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-11-474880872 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed I live in Green Village, NJ and could be possibly coaxed out of the studio for some sort of improv-jam type experiment. Jim On May 31, 2007, at 5:04 PM, Jim Goodin wrote: > Keep me posted as well, I'm in Brooklyn and would be interested in > participating. > > Jim Goodin > www.jimgoodinmusic.com > www.myspace.com/jimgoodinmusic > www.chinapaintingmusic.com > www.myspace.com/chinapaintingmusic > > > > On 5/31/07, David Beardsley wrote: > Let me know where and when. I'm in central NJ - Rahway. > > Where in NJ? Any ideas? I think all we really need is a venue, there > couldn't be a shortage > of loopers. --Apple-Mail-11-474880872 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 I live in Green Village, NJ and = could be possibly coaxed out of the studio for some sort of improv-jam = type experiment.

Jim


On May 31, = 2007, at 5:04 PM, Jim Goodin wrote:

Keep me posted = as well, I'm in Brooklyn and would be interested in = participating.
=A0
Jim Goodin
On 5/31/07,=A0David Beardsley=A0<db@biink.com> wrote:
Let me know where and when. I'm in = central NJ - Rahway.

Where in NJ? Any ideas? I think all we = really need is a venue, there=A0
couldn't be a = shortage
of = loopers.

= --Apple-Mail-11-474880872-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 31 21:58:38 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 07E433BF06; Thu, 31 May 2007 21:58:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <465F450F.3030308@biink.com> Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 17:58:39 -0400 From: David Beardsley Reply-To: db@biink.com Organization: Biink & SSI User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2 (Windows/20050317) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: NJ Looping Festival References: <465F2B78.9060608@biink.com> <9e0440a60705311404o7931f313gee386b77bb7c6f22@mail.gmail.com> <98376C4C-3AA9-4B55-B69A-59B60D161BE1@jamesrichmond.com> In-Reply-To: <98376C4C-3AA9-4B55-B69A-59B60D161BE1@jamesrichmond.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <4q4LlD.A.0OF.NU0XGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70668 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 21:58:37 +0000 (UTC) James Richmond wrote: > I live in Green Village, NJ that's rich folk country, surely there's a venue in those hills that would be interested. Let's see...James (Green Village), me (Rahway), Jim Goodin (Brooklyn), Tony K (eastern PA) and Andrew Koenig (somewhere in Northern NJ). Play a church...give the door to charity. Churches all seem to have some kind of all purpose room, some even have a stage. I smell a festival... -- * David Beardsley * microtonal guitar * http://biink.com/db * http://biink.com/poole From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 31 22:11:08 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id ED6243BEF9; Thu, 31 May 2007 22:11:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "nick@12testing.net" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, GORDIUS info Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 23:11:01 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: smallest possible edp foot controller Reply-To: nick@12testing.net Message-ID: <465F5605.30526.118A1CC@nick.12testing.net> Priority: normal In-reply-to: <465F28C4.40000@gordius.be> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.31) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70669 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 22:11:07 +0000 (UTC) On 31 May 2007 at 21:57, GORDIUS info wrote: > remember the GORDIUS Little Giant, Nick? I do, and they look wonderful, but whilst no doubt offering excellent value they are out of my price league. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 31 22:16:38 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6A9DB3BEF3; Thu, 31 May 2007 22:16:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=GhnwDJp2LeiCgpwyiv4yESRnKLM0/jdSVj950WGF5cD6OFlIo+5EMg83/G40LaFeGS62q2manToNGQMSHCiaBzPmqlx9IfcMt6O9V9St0Mk29bz8fJfN3euV35bBY5sQCbHNAqafiE9Es2aZIgWfFGSWqw9k1X2yf/s4wzJVM0k= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=rJlFpIoDv0ziSsM0J48GselUEaqQfqAAV7A2+n6NATnqO8MHsKeyVN9VTMUSW0KjV2nkH2SkJHx+Fdp5AUjDBW3MYe3piApeKlFZ88qfs7wmCHT6kJPwZdtKxNunPyf65XrgI1XMcxmZ0h1MByX7hlIFuKqR51+CT7SiCOeW9T4= Message-ID: <9e0440a60705311516t14e9d8f1wba29b2e0ed5220b2@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 18:16:36 -0400 From: "Jim Goodin" To: db@biink.com Subject: Re: NJ Looping Festival Cc: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <465F450F.3030308@biink.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_27357_27255292.1180649796359" References: <465F2B78.9060608@biink.com> <9e0440a60705311404o7931f313gee386b77bb7c6f22@mail.gmail.com> <98376C4C-3AA9-4B55-B69A-59B60D161BE1@jamesrichmond.com> <465F450F.3030308@biink.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70670 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 22:16:38 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_27357_27255292.1180649796359 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline David the church is a good angle. I have done that in Brooklyn re a bene. I've also played a lot in NJ in past years, everything from Sam Ash to Borders to one festival that I'm trying to remember the organizer but ironically it was held at a church I think in Morristown. I took part in a house concert/webcast a coupel of years ago that was ran by a guy who named Don Slepian, an excellent key's/synth guy. He has since moved to the Pocono's but still a) might be interested in being part of and b) may have some ideas. I'll get in touch with him. Think this is a great idea and I look forward to the possibility. Jim On 5/31/07, David Beardsley wrote: > > James Richmond wrote: > > > I live in Green Village, NJ > > > that's rich folk country, surely there's a venue in those hills that > would be interested. > > Let's see...James (Green Village), me (Rahway), Jim Goodin (Brooklyn), > Tony K (eastern PA) and Andrew Koenig (somewhere in Northern NJ). > > Play a church...give the door to charity. Churches all seem to have some > kind of all purpose room, some even have a stage. > > I smell a festival... > > -- > * David Beardsley > * microtonal guitar > * http://biink.com/db > * http://biink.com/poole > > > -- The Acoustic World Guitar of Jim Goodin - http://www.jimgoodinmusic.com MySpace (solo) - http://www.myspace.com/jimgoodinmusic Chinapainting - http://www.chinapaintingmusic.com Chinapainting on My Space - http://www.myspace.com/chinapaintingmusic.com The Jim Goodin label and home for 7 other creative souls - http://www.woodandwiremusic.com Jim Goodin uses GHS Strings - http://www.ghsstrings.com and Seagull Guitars - http://www.seagullguitars.com, Jim Goodin is published by Mel Bay Publications, Inc. - http://www.melbay.com Associates and friends on the web - Daryl Shawn - http://www.swanwelder.com Adam Werner - http://www.adamwerner.com John Stowell - http://www.johnstowell.com Matt Richards - http://www.mattrichardsmusic.net Michael Manring - http://www.manthing.com Will Ackerman - http://www.williamackerman.com New Land Music - http://www.newlandmusic.com ------=_Part_27357_27255292.1180649796359 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline
David the church is a good angle.  I have done that in Brooklyn re a bene.  I've also played a lot in NJ in past years, everything from Sam Ash to Borders to one festival that I'm trying to remember the organizer but ironically it was held at a church I think in Morristown.
 
I took part in a house concert/webcast a coupel of years ago that was ran by a guy who named Don Slepian, an excellent key's/synth guy.  He has since moved to the Pocono's but still a) might be interested in being part of and b) may have some ideas.  I'll get in touch with him.
 
Think this is a great idea and I look forward to the possibility.
 
Jim

 
On 5/31/07, David Beardsley <db@biink.com> wrote:
James Richmond wrote:

> I live in Green Village, NJ


that's rich folk country, surely there's a venue in those hills that
would be interested.

Let's see...James (Green Village), me (Rahway), Jim Goodin (Brooklyn),
Tony K (eastern PA) and Andrew Koenig (somewhere in Northern NJ).

Play a church...give the door to charity. Churches all seem to have some
kind of all purpose room, some even have a stage.

I smell a festival...

--
* David Beardsley
* microtonal guitar
* http://biink.com/db
* http://biink.com/poole





--
The Acoustic World Guitar of Jim Goodin  - http://www.jimgoodinmusic.com
MySpace (solo) - http://www.myspace.com/jimgoodinmusic
Chinapainting -
http://www.chinapaintingmusic.com
Chinapainting on My Space -
http://www.myspace.com/chinapaintingmusic.com
The Jim Goodin label and home for 7 other creative souls - http://www.woodandwiremusic.com
Jim Goodin uses GHS Strings - http://www.ghsstrings.com and Seagull Guitars - http://www.seagullguitars.com, Jim Goodin is published by Mel Bay Publications, Inc. - http://www.melbay.com

Associates and friends on the web -
Daryl Shawn -
http://www.swanwelder.com
Adam Werner - http://www.adamwerner.com
John Stowell - http://www.johnstowell.com
Matt Richards - http://www.mattrichardsmusic.net
Michael Manring - http://www.manthing.com
Will Ackerman - http://www.williamackerman.com
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Please reply back with this email address if intrested ( oscarstephen300@yahoo.com .Please call( 00234-80-20689074) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 31 22:25:39 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D8BCE3BEEA; Thu, 31 May 2007 22:25:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <465F4B65.8060005@biink.com> Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 18:25:41 -0400 From: David Beardsley Reply-To: db@biink.com Organization: Biink & SSI User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2 (Windows/20050317) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: NJ Looping Festival References: <465F2B78.9060608@biink.com> <9e0440a60705311404o7931f313gee386b77bb7c6f22@mail.gmail.com> <98376C4C-3AA9-4B55-B69A-59B60D161BE1@jamesrichmond.com> <465F450F.3030308@biink.com> <9e0440a60705311516t14e9d8f1wba29b2e0ed5220b2@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <9e0440a60705311516t14e9d8f1wba29b2e0ed5220b2@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70671 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 22:25:39 +0000 (UTC) Jim Goodin wrote: > David the church is a good angle. I have done that in Brooklyn re a > bene. I've also played a lot in NJ in past years, everything from Sam > Ash to Borders to one festival that I'm trying to remember the > organizer but ironically it was held at a church I think in Morristown. > > I took part in a house concert/webcast a coupel of years ago that was > ran by a guy who named Don Slepian, an excellent key's/synth guy. He > has since moved to the Pocono's but still a) might be interested in > being part of and b) may have some ideas. I'll get in touch with him. > > Think this is a great idea and I look forward to the possibility. Cool. I know who Don is, he one of those fathers of Space music. I heard a concert withhim at a FireHouse in Sommerset, NJ in the mid-80's...'85? My friends dad worked with him at the time... I'll have a few more ideas to post later... -- * David Beardsley * microtonal guitar * http://biink.com/db * http://biink.com/poole From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 31 22:34:04 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C3F3D3BEF4; Thu, 31 May 2007 22:34:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=VaHqgV/J5ih/zQrQV7jHc8K1vIWbhZwz91sOdKVHXYJ5MxuWLKMYpoaO7BT0hJF54egJV9fcWolwZEr+8pHg7+Rfq07jap+BFqJYCMXGeio52GS2/zgIdUstfaVlYAkilBLrzaYtMKHQvASiBmbRjEoUdOrR3IN8Vx8u5Br6m/4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=LUriBF0VCam7C0D4YaA4LNEXm/JInvZBuzGrICrmR55/AamCCm2pcMk59FJrv9MemyTiBoCF6xfVAwrr0tfk7XWSdDuG85u5FQZUXUwJAVN8gq9nHxb7sYdXQGtKLV1fPpvo/HTa3n+AQRWCXg+XCu5ev4LoeEyfMqDJw1TP7mw= Message-ID: <9e0440a60705311534n318e8d5fi1743e65ef64a601a@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 18:34:02 -0400 From: "Jim Goodin" To: db@biink.com Subject: Re: NJ Looping Festival Cc: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, "Don@DonSlepian.com" In-Reply-To: <465F4B65.8060005@biink.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_27461_13364663.1180650842060" References: <465F2B78.9060608@biink.com> <9e0440a60705311404o7931f313gee386b77bb7c6f22@mail.gmail.com> <98376C4C-3AA9-4B55-B69A-59B60D161BE1@jamesrichmond.com> <465F450F.3030308@biink.com> <9e0440a60705311516t14e9d8f1wba29b2e0ed5220b2@mail.gmail.com> <465F4B65.8060005@biink.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70672 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 22:34:04 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_27461_13364663.1180650842060 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Good that you know him, the series he ran for awhile was wonderful, ArtMusicCoffeeHouse . This was when he lived in Lebanon (NJ). I'll include him in this thread as I think he would be very interested in being part of this Dave. Though I'm in neighboring NY and not as local I'm still happy to help org and promo this. Jim On 5/31/07, David Beardsley wrote: > > Jim Goodin wrote: > > > David the church is a good angle. I have done that in Brooklyn re a > > bene. I've also played a lot in NJ in past years, everything from Sam > > Ash to Borders to one festival that I'm trying to remember the > > organizer but ironically it was held at a church I think in Morristown. > > > > I took part in a house concert/webcast a coupel of years ago that was > > ran by a guy who named Don Slepian, an excellent key's/synth guy. He > > has since moved to the Pocono's but still a) might be interested in > > being part of and b) may have some ideas. I'll get in touch with him. > > > > Think this is a great idea and I look forward to the possibility. > > Cool. I know who Don is, he one of those fathers of Space music. I heard > a concert withhim > at a FireHouse in Sommerset, NJ in the mid-80's...'85? My friends dad > worked with him > at the time... > > I'll have a few more ideas to post later... > > -- > * David Beardsley > * microtonal guitar > * http://biink.com/db > * http://biink.com/poole > > > -- The Acoustic World Guitar of Jim Goodin - http://www.jimgoodinmusic.com MySpace (solo) - http://www.myspace.com/jimgoodinmusic Chinapainting - http://www.chinapaintingmusic.com Chinapainting on My Space - http://www.myspace.com/chinapaintingmusic.com The Jim Goodin label and home for 7 other creative souls - http://www.woodandwiremusic.com Jim Goodin uses GHS Strings - http://www.ghsstrings.com and Seagull Guitars - http://www.seagullguitars.com, Jim Goodin is published by Mel Bay Publications, Inc. - http://www.melbay.com Associates and friends on the web - Daryl Shawn - http://www.swanwelder.com Adam Werner - http://www.adamwerner.com John Stowell - http://www.johnstowell.com Matt Richards - http://www.mattrichardsmusic.net Michael Manring - http://www.manthing.com Will Ackerman - http://www.williamackerman.com New Land Music - http://www.newlandmusic.com ------=_Part_27461_13364663.1180650842060 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline
Good that you know him, the series he ran for awhile was wonderful, ArtMusicCoffeeHouse.  This was when he lived in Lebanon (NJ).  I'll include him in this thread as I think he would be very interested in being part of this Dave.  Though I'm in neighboring NY and not as local I'm still happy to help org and promo this.
 
Jim

 
On 5/31/07, David Beardsley <db@biink.com> wrote:
Jim Goodin wrote:

> David the church is a good angle.  I have done that in Brooklyn re a
> bene.  I've also played a lot in NJ in past years, everything from Sam
> Ash to Borders to one festival that I'm trying to remember the
> organizer but ironically it was held at a church I think in Morristown.
>
> I took part in a house concert/webcast a coupel of years ago that was
> ran by a guy who named Don Slepian, an excellent key's/synth guy.  He
> has since moved to the Pocono's but still a) might be interested in
> being part of and b) may have some ideas.  I'll get in touch with him.
>
> Think this is a great idea and I look forward to the possibility.

Cool. I know who Don is, he one of those fathers of Space music. I heard
a concert withhim
at a FireHouse in Sommerset, NJ in the mid-80's...'85?  My friends dad
worked with him
at the time...

I'll have a few more ideas to post later...

--
* David Beardsley
* microtonal guitar
* http://biink.com/db
* http://biink.com/poole





--
The Acoustic World Guitar of Jim Goodin  - http://www.jimgoodinmusic.com
MySpace (solo) - http://www.myspace.com/jimgoodinmusic
Chinapainting -
http://www.chinapaintingmusic.com
Chinapainting on My Space -
http://www.myspace.com/chinapaintingmusic.com
The Jim Goodin label and home for 7 other creative souls - http://www.woodandwiremusic.com
Jim Goodin uses GHS Strings - http://www.ghsstrings.com and Seagull Guitars - http://www.seagullguitars.com, Jim Goodin is published by Mel Bay Publications, Inc. - http://www.melbay.com

Associates and friends on the web -
Daryl Shawn -
http://www.swanwelder.com
Adam Werner - http://www.adamwerner.com
John Stowell - http://www.johnstowell.com
Matt Richards - http://www.mattrichardsmusic.net
Michael Manring - http://www.manthing.com
Will Ackerman - http://www.williamackerman.com
New Land Music - http://www.newlandmusic.com ------=_Part_27461_13364663.1180650842060-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 31 23:17:52 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1D4023BF05; Thu, 31 May 2007 23:17:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <1934169564.1180653471428.JavaMail.root@fepweb12> Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 16:17:51 -0700 From: =?utf-8?Q?tEd_=C2=AE_kiLLiAn?= To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: FS: POSSIBLE LOOP MANGLING PARPHENALIA Cc: max valentino MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Sensitivity: Normal X-Originating-IP: from 66.169.241.110 by mail.charter.net; Thu, 31 May 2007 19:17:51 -0400 X-Chzlrs: 0 Resent-Message-ID: <1AFWmB.A.p-E.fe1XGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70673 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 23:17:51 +0000 (UTC) Well, Since I mentioned to Max Valentino that I was in "gear unload mode" I figur= ed I would post to the list and see if anyone here was interested before I = eBay it off. 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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 31 23:35:04 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9E9533BEF7; Thu, 31 May 2007 23:35:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <465F5BA3.6070309@gordius.be> Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2007 01:34:59 +0200 From: GORDIUS info Reply-To: "GORDIUS info"@assei2bl6.telenet-ops.be User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.0 (Windows/20070326) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: nick@12testing.net Cc: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: smallest possible edp foot controller References: <465F5605.30526.118A1CC@nick.12testing.net> In-Reply-To: <465F5605.30526.118A1CC@nick.12testing.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70674 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 23:35:04 +0000 (UTC) yep - that will always be their weak point : smaller unfortunately doesn't mean cheaper. (especially because I'm not only talking smaller size, but also (much much) smaller quantities produced... ) grtz nick@12testing.net wrote: > On 31 May 2007 at 21:57, GORDIUS info wrote: > > >> remember the GORDIUS Little Giant, Nick? >> > > I do, and they look wonderful, but whilst no doubt offering excellent > value they are out of my price league. > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 31 23:44:02 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7246B3BF06; Thu, 31 May 2007 23:44:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 19:45:50 -0400 From: Bill Fox Subject: Re: NJ Looping Festival In-reply-to: <29930036.1180642869690.JavaMail.root@m11> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <465F5E2E.9030009@soundscapes.us> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit References: <465F2B78.9060608@biink.com> <29930036.1180642869690.JavaMail.root@m11> User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.10 (Windows/20070221) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70675 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 23:44:02 +0000 (UTC) Tony K wrote: > Maybe the NJ ProgHouse? > http://www.njproghouse.com > Jim Robinson might be up for it. I really don't know. Bill Fox might > know better.. Like how I dragged you into this Bill? :) Thank you, Tony. ;-) Actually, I don't know any better, even though my Mom always said that I should! ;-) If whomever wants to organize this would send me a proposal, I'd be happy to pass it on to Jim. You realize that there are costs involved with renting the schoolhouse and Jim puts on shows that have ticket sales. If that's what you're looking for, then there's a chance that Jim will go for it if it can be considered "progressive" in some sense of the word. NJ Proghouse puts on Progressive Rock shows but has been known to stray afield a little bit now and then. Cheers, Bill

Yeah,

 

They had a nice run at the Alligator Lounge.  By the time I was hip to it, living in the Bay Area at the = time, G.E. Stinson had taken over booking the joint.  Unfortunately, I = think attendance went way down once Nels stopped playing the last sets of the evening.  Not long after I played there with Bobby Bradford and Ken = Rosser (fine looping guitarist), they had to move to another venue, which only = lasted a short time, then Monday nights were = gone…..

 

Nels and I were band mates in = Charlie Haden’s Liberation Orchestra back in ’83-’84, and had played on a = Vinny Golia septet gig around that time as well.  I packed up my car and = headed for NYC in January of ’85 in the hope of doing such music = full-time (and of course, that’s when the LMO West Coast Unit actually became = busy!).  If you ever get a gig like that, don’t give it up is all I can say = – even if they are only playing once every few = months…..

 

Best, TH =

 

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tom@tomheasley.com

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From: tEd = ® kiLLiAn [mailto:tedkillian@charter.net]
Sent: Wednesday, May 02, = 2007 8:26 AM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Re: Nels Cline, = guitarist occasionally looping

 

Per,

Earlier, I had seen him play many many times too. He (Nels) used to = organize the "New Music Mondays" down at the old Alligator Lounge in = Santa Monica, California during the early '90s. Great place, but I'm pretty sure it's no longer = there though. His trio was always the closing act (going on stage about = midnight or so) at these gigs. I saw him there several times. I've also played there myself. So has Jeff Kaiser (I think).

On May 2, 2007, at 2:13 AM, Per Boysen = wrote:

Anyone been to gigs with him?