From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Apr 1 01:23:36 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5430B3BEF4; Sun, 1 Apr 2007 01:23:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=cSnAv+n0kqC7O5rcP2P9FH9NHYPBCDAR8Cskd3KOSOLfheQYAeObXR7uH0z7+suYpPz8/wZ5F9ddfB6KlEiwRaMVQ3S2w0yAqIHdZHH3kPt0YpeYIOR79ATwZnpCElxuyD1HRfU1/LpVXxKGjngWLRuZDT7XBILTHPuuuESHBK0=; X-YMail-OSG: phJJUjQVM1kD18QnSYTpFAHU0J1Mg0wZoq44cYsm9OrgVx3ElcdBwodg2u7vOLCsTQ-- Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2007 18:23:35 -0700 (PDT) From: Jeffrey Collins Subject: re: fretless guitar To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <502820.62269.qm@web32705.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1925253397-1175390615=:59067" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <170345.59067.qm@web34209.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: <2sDYf.A.RpG.YmwDGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69265 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2007 01:23:36 +0000 (UTC) --0-1925253397-1175390615=:59067 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Bill. Try using your Quicktime player to view the video. MP4 is a quicktime video file format. Used a lot on Podcasts. bill bigrig wrote: Howdy, Can't get the video to come up. But I don't think it's the one because on "watching a movie" he did not do any loopng. It was all live playing. Rig ____________________________________________________________________________________ Now that's room service! Choose from over 150,000 hotels in 45,000 destinations on Yahoo! Travel to find your fit. http://farechase.yahoo.com/promo-generic-14795097 --------------------------------- Finding fabulous fares is fun. Let Yahoo! FareChase search your favorite travel sites to find flight and hotel bargains. --0-1925253397-1175390615=:59067 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Bill. Try using your Quicktime player to view the video. MP4 is a quicktime video file format. Used a lot on Podcasts.



bill bigrig <billbigrig@yahoo.com> wrote:
Howdy,

Can't get the video to come up. But I don't think
it's the one because on "watching a movie" he did not
do any loopng. It was all live playing.
Rig



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To: nemoguitt@aol.com, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <008501c77406$66df8960$9715be18@oemcomputer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <8C9414A2A16776B-4C8-356F@WEBMAIL-DF17.sysops.aol.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69266 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2007 01:34:44 +0000 (UTC) Hey Michael- I have the D1600mkII; have had it for about 2 years now and I LOVE IT. Get into it, you won't regret it one iota. Here's what I've done with it: * The excerpt from "The Long Dance" that's on the Looper's Delight compilation vol. 3 was assembled on the D1600mkII. * I do some freelance work for Korg's "Guitarville" internet newsletter, and I record all the audio for it on the D1600mkII. You can hear the audio stuff if you go to http://www.korg.com/service/support.asp . At the bottom of the page, click on "Guitar*ville." * I've posted a total of one song on my web site, but there will be many more as soon as Congress passes that law to add an extra hour to every day. In the meantime, try this: http://www.thecoyote.org/listen.cfm * I've transferred hours of cassettes to CD. * I've recorded numerous jams. * I did the audio CD that went along with my book ("Play Guitar By Ear"). Yeah, there's a learning curve, but I found it far less painful than trying to learn to use a cell phone. Douglas Baldwin, coyote-at-large www.thecoyote.org coyotelk@optonline.net "Let these minutes and hours Show my mind strange new flowers" - Jackson Browne Michael wrote: > yesterday at 11:30 AM i called "sweetwater" and bought a korg D1200mkII > digital recording "studio etc. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Apr 1 01:36:06 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 780113BEF7; Sun, 1 Apr 2007 01:36:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=XhSBRISXVIiMTAS9A9RkMU/qb1tRHMUAYRNO+MMFzaQvZDLgBVYSvzvt9hOzRAe13Po7O/RlrFpXmR0S6oCyEBsUpMTvU1Smxv+tQTvUJ8TonHZtut9QX4bC1iukx3DTEUk8Gfywghb6ja6tZy+VftFFL5vMy3nDxciEvE8WGqE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=D5eVrM1/2TZ3LLm9+u039F2uT5b9MkXTbnl7eh8Puhx7AomQHtYTB0vokKd/uAsbFcJjf9SaFbVbqhTZNpgpx04DwecIASWS3XvhjuVxIGNqf4ZY8cNpzmaPGOCqrD0F54t9UYwpRTy80BE0qiUFWqXQ9mF97rWTfg65hNFIFjk= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <170345.59067.qm@web34209.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <170345.59067.qm@web34209.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: RP Collier Subject: Re: fretless guitar Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2007 18:36:00 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69267 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2007 01:36:06 +0000 (UTC) On Mar 31, 2007, at 6:23 PM, Jeffrey Collins wrote: > Bill. Try using your Quicktime player to view the video. MP4 is a > quicktime video file format. Used a lot on Podcasts. Or maybe try downloading it to disk using Firefox browser. Then open it. I tried using Safari browser and just got text, but Firefox worked as a download. BobC http://tinyurl.com/yt8f8j http://tinyurl.com/cr25j http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PM8KFMkWiaI From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Apr 1 02:11:27 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 81C3B3BEF1; Sun, 1 Apr 2007 02:11:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Received:X-YMail-OSG:MIME-Version:From:Subject:Date:Importance:X-Priority:To:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type; b=0B7HaQspgia35S0cfFJmtKVfHcLs2UDt1hpIdhji/yHErlDOnzdXAq57Ok9lhPSAvyRFO9eeF8/04nCyHflmUrTJUzn7cCOazj7T2+vH4MJ26GaOK34sUYauCGjrFBZ9vGsMfjWkP1LAtL7ALqowD9sbXV9W5q/H0FWS6UOGv2A= ; X-YMail-OSG: UVhqu34VM1nRq6s5SHLyQRBEK4D.w.UXrM0g_k4Zp9IBG69LeHjErSaU8UuEXUIHT7xsg0GUMYdCBRMPFv5YKoietlkC44WIBWA1shJvHCBYb9rQOSEarXaS90OBRA-- MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Murkie Subject: New music on Myspace page Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2007 22:11:51 -0500 Importance: normal X-Priority: 3 To: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Message-Id: <20070401021126.CBE373BEE4@arsenic.violacea.com> Resent-Message-ID: <5N6HVB.A.s6.PTxDGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69268 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2007 02:11:27 +0000 (UTC) Hey kids. I put some new tunes up at the ol' Myspace page (http://www.mysp= ace.com/twistedapple). There's some solo stuff, songs from the duo I'm cur= rently working in with singer/songwriter Kevin Peckham and a few old pieces= from my improvising quartet - all of 'em recorded live and all featuring l= il' ol' me on guitar and realtime looping. Any and all comentary warmly we= lcomed. m= From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Apr 1 04:14:12 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 402DF3BEF5; Sun, 1 Apr 2007 04:14:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:from:to:references:subject:date:message-id:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-mailer:in-reply-to:thread-index:x-mimeole; b=m6dVBe5OViLKSHu2rMmf1tT1aI+OX5n77n/+TpRM2uLBFOpmDAUDS/evMd9QhnOk9zBlKigRxlg9SQ9Drzn8C161M5SIX/tTB0BQxaFfAUae5y+4vSr3azZAFu2PT6UXWogwNVNYCqA5bLDqmQ0kn5E8aQi+oYXrRI9ncPd57DU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:from:to:references:subject:date:message-id:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-mailer:in-reply-to:thread-index:x-mimeole; b=T0ROLSaipJCzKHZEadnAgjqhkqHlH4pZsHGfMp93O4mO4IaQokNSs7sye4uE+W4Z7ZnzNieTIRWqgbzXV6jl9RZ1NyrjUBkV052/tNGglH6qXjUdPKwymIVv2UMIXdnoquBFUAAovYfdRMnXJwQJssZ0GUxL+gbt5v9Kd9frb6U= From: "Tony K" To: References: <1011938815.1175269118732.JavaMail.root@fepweb13> <0bbd01c772ed$67f58df0$e701a8c0@pcfabio> <009601c77380$f7ab5f40$e701a8c0@pcfabio> Subject: RE: Why not a Looper's Delight Podcast ? Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2007 00:14:06 -0400 Message-ID: <004801c77414$30ea5520$0200a8c0@daw1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1250" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <009601c77380$f7ab5f40$e701a8c0@pcfabio> Thread-Index: AcdzgQN/90kyFZjyT66BmH266CM9KwAku3PA X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69269 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2007 04:14:12 +0000 (UTC) I'll contribute too. Pick anything from: http://www.thinginajar.com/bigtony/journey.htm http://www.thinginajar.com/bigtony/thesoundbetween.htm http://www.thinginajar.com/bigtony/portrait.htm http://www.thinginajar.com/bigtony/bleed.htm Tony -----Original Message----- From: e t e r o g e n e o [mailto:info@eterogeneo.com] Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2007 6:40 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Why not a Looper's Delight Podcast ? Come on, people ! Rick, Bill, Kris, Michael, Bernhard, Andy, Jeff etc.......where are you ? fabio www.eterogeneo.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.23/740 - Release Date: 3/30/2007 1:15 PM -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.23/740 - Release Date: 3/30/2007 1:15 PM From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Apr 1 05:12:27 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6CED23BEEC; Sun, 1 Apr 2007 05:12:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=j23aeEuriTW2w53duu9jKh0vW0zH2Hn6MneJRS/6sFVIF+P6RjjuP/IJzE3FRZQ1WY+lQLP9oKS0hvnwFv2ZCCbNfJjspLtssjikeQc62wFefHylWoGr7BTc/WRKToi6RI5VKMahuODF3Ri/WllHXrmvSS58RftgbkOCBUF37h8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=CVbhOuX40iZsx6MTc8LzXyCyXJC2ztTA6o42FE8TohrRGaeooC20JthtOXr5b4h8SBg9g71aiV0yjlR2QNJRJPaTsCdQs6QPISgZM+1cYXZ/22tW9TB6h9fC05FwIiE/oEOmZeehOcdGOOIexcnjNLgWTMzQrKF0me8AMftrvio= Message-ID: <64b81a780703312212p39b3ac9fwfa58ec5e39ca5541@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2007 01:12:25 -0400 From: "Todd Pafford" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Why not a Looper's Delight Podcast ? In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <1011938815.1175269118732.JavaMail.root@fepweb13> <0bbd01c772ed$67f58df0$e701a8c0@pcfabio> <009601c77380$f7ab5f40$e701a8c0@pcfabio> <460E4833.3070001@tiscali.co.uk> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69270 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2007 05:12:27 +0000 (UTC) Hey guys, an LD Podcast is a great idea. Regarding iTunes, I've been a long time podcast listener and I've never used iTunes to get them. I recommend we keep it simple to allow access to the largest potential audience: all tracks should be mp3 so they can be played on any system or device. Another idea: an LD podcast would open up the possibility of not just music streaming out, but interviews, instructional material, tutorials, gear reviews, etc. This could be very interesting. My two cents, Todd On 3/31/07, Per Boysen wrote: > On 31 mar 2007, at 13.38, andy butler wrote: > > > ps, > > do you need iTunes to listen? > > > There are several accurate answers to that question, all covering the > area between "yes" and "no" ;-)) > > A podcast is made up of a RSS document posted to an online server. In > this RSS code different tags tell if this is an enhanced podcast, > with the option to include links and pictures in synchronization to > the music (like a Power Point show), or if it's an old type of > podcast that simply transmits an audio file together with text > documentation. The RSS document also include links to the audio files > that are to be transmitted. These audio files can be MP3 compressed > or AAC compressed. For an enhanced podcast it has to be AAC for the > picture sync to work. These files typically have end with m4a, m4b or > m4p. I'm not completely sure, but I think they need iTunes to play > back. Anyone else know for sure? > > Normally the URL of the RSS document, that runs the show, is > submitted to Apple's iTunes Music Store so it can be searchable. As > usual, the problem with Apple is that they don't allow anyone to look > behind curtains, so there is no way to get statistics for downloads. > Another company, http://www.feedburner.com, offers a free service of > setting up a kind of "hi-jack route link" between the index RSS > document and iTMS. At least that's how I have understood how they > achieve what they're doing. If you go with Feedburner you get the > statistics, but at the same time you give up yet another level of > control. It's really a jungle out there ;-) > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > www.looproom.com (international) > http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) > http://tinyurl.com/2kek7h (CC donationware music releases) > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Apr 1 10:29:44 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 485CB3BEF3; Sun, 1 Apr 2007 10:29:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=bePNoZUwyQVubpDm8Tjl3hUl/K10pnPM24XPHHLWAX548mFJnEXAoC73/BPQ3WCEW7bAu8bRbVY9YehZj1qDcsLkOLQHisxa9dXP3n4o6IZe3X5+S0yT/0jI79dJgwPdCjJBOW6fuPEw2zTWyFejHRz4BSiOZ68KgMPvXdZG3No= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=sM61itHxfk+AZqqqJWbXPSPGQXZavMpeBNfgkAfi8Cy9V3TQHCBORHQthHvy3lpVzfpWVCAuL8zgXvEMmbuCju/uD/kcvH7IcAmlH8smKEFlOg7H1v3CPcsak3h4wl/l490BfKCo7qeh42rCmjEn//wabGSI34fP/WR0+5E863c= Message-ID: Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2007 11:29:42 +0100 From: Os Sender: expertsleepers@googlemail.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Why not a Looper's Delight Podcast ? In-Reply-To: <64b81a780703312212p39b3ac9fwfa58ec5e39ca5541@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <1011938815.1175269118732.JavaMail.root@fepweb13> <0bbd01c772ed$67f58df0$e701a8c0@pcfabio> <009601c77380$f7ab5f40$e701a8c0@pcfabio> <460E4833.3070001@tiscali.co.uk> <64b81a780703312212p39b3ac9fwfa58ec5e39ca5541@mail.gmail.com> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 2dd69024d7f1a7b1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69271 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2007 10:29:44 +0000 (UTC) On 01/04/07, Todd Pafford wrote: > Regarding iTunes, I've been a long time podcast listener and I've > never used iTunes to get them. I recommend we keep it simple to allow > access to the largest potential audience: all tracks should be mp3 so > they can be played on any system or device. Agreed. While I use iTunes for my music collection, I distribute my podcast as mp3s - although the quality is inferior, it does mean people using something other than an ipod to listen on can play it. It also reserves the option to re-release podcast stuff on cd with the tagline "you've heard it as a ropey mp3, now own it in full quality". Cynical, moi? :) cheers, os. -- os@collective.co.uk http://www.collective.co.uk/ http://www.myspace.com/darkroomtheband From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Apr 1 11:26:28 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5C7D73BEE4; Sun, 1 Apr 2007 11:26:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=PhQhquyQBdBTY6VNb/PrlXi0w12QBvARxRHuIKUgVA/h+EsfjWz5d/t61XI0bph/7R2qLV/glHVtY0C74BIhlYNKELt26KaZW+i94kV/kNJ8Aoujj8gvSSe5630IHa5VC73au1NYLy9Cgemy/xIHFi5idfjpMkMDvT/sTRH+/wo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=iywE0YoolMC6UcV/6NvpRc8rBjXInzYrUnybEtQ6BxiUTr+duIK4BEPF+UBPlnkh77rmWYNnkR6Hste50ziBrcQYNNyjtYl2NoYlSopb8gPRnY4XtH6X0d70BzjPM2K3/RRbJhoSSPx7kYMvnvdqIGqnYqWU2L1Duxq9MXj/BCs= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: References: <1011938815.1175269118732.JavaMail.root@fepweb13> <0bbd01c772ed$67f58df0$e701a8c0@pcfabio> <009601c77380$f7ab5f40$e701a8c0@pcfabio> <460E4833.3070001@tiscali.co.uk> <64b81a780703312212p39b3ac9fwfa58ec5e39ca5541@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <671C24B4-CDD8-4652-BF2F-B5DF36EA0486@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Why not a Looper's Delight Podcast ? Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2007 13:26:23 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69272 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2007 11:26:28 +0000 (UTC) > On 01/04/07, Todd Pafford wrote: >> Regarding iTunes, I've been a long time podcast listener and I've >> never used iTunes to get them. I recommend we keep it simple to >> allow >> access to the largest potential audience: all tracks should be >> mp3 so >> they can be played on any system or device. On 1 apr 2007, at 12.29, Os wrote: > Agreed. While I use iTunes for my music collection, I distribute my > podcast as mp3s - although the quality is inferior, it does mean > people using something other than an ipod to listen on can play it. > > It also reserves the option to re-release podcast stuff on cd with the > tagline "you've heard it as a ropey mp3, now own it in full quality". > Cynical, moi? :) I definitely agree about going with the mp3 compression for an eventual LD Podcast. Another reason is that mp3 offers a better tagging then AAC. There's an awful lot of text information an artist can cram into an mp3 file. An mp3 file can also be tagged with a picture (as can also be done with AAC files). Such song specific text data (i.e. the id3 tag data) and "cover art" picture will not be passed with the podcast (if not duplicated in the podcast's rss document) but whenever a single mp3 file is targeted and downloaded outside the podcast it's nice to have that tag data to show the listener where it originally comes from as well as the picture decided by the artist. Suggestion: It would be cool if everyone that submits an mp3 file for the LD Podcast could write the Loopers-Delight URL into the files id3 tag's "comments" area? Regarding the "ropey mp3" I suggest compressing at least at 192 kbps. Short songs can go with 256, it just sounds better. I think people will buy CDs because they want CDs, not because the want a certain audio fidelity. And I also think that ropey mp3's are less inspiring for "getting the CD", if you happen to be a person that likes having CDs piling up around you. (128 kbps definitely sounds bad even in AAC. I just found out that the one and only album I have bought on iTunes Music Store sounds really bad compared to a 256 kbps mp3. So I ended up deleting my purchased music and replaced it with illegally shared 256 kbps mp3 files I downloaded from the internet). The only reason I can imagine for using AAC is if the ambition is to make enhanced podcasts that make use of synchronized pictures, like in a typical Powerpoint show. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) http://tinyurl.com/2kek7h (CC donationware music releases) From security@paypal.com Sun Apr 1 15:31:52 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 465 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Sun, 01 Apr 2007 15:31:51 UTC Received: from mail.intel-star.com (71.4.133.137.ptr.us.xo.net [71.4.133.137]) by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D42A23BEC5 for ; Sun, 1 Apr 2007 15:31:51 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [65.48.16.42] by mail.MedicalBenefitGroup.com (NTMail 7.00.0018/NU8033.01.1fa4ece2) with ESMTP id mshykbaa for looparc@loopers-delight.com; Sun, 1 Apr 2007 11:24:57 -0500 From: "PayPal Security" Subject: Security: PayPal Account Verification Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2007 11:20:55 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1251" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 To: loomis@stopsprawlmart.org, loomisa@summa-health.org, loomisw@talgov.com, loon@cableronge.sk.ca, looner3@qwest.net, looney_guy69@yahoo.com, looney-l@rootsweb.com, looniesmell@hotmail.com, loonspui@home.nl, loonsworld@hotmail.com, loonydreamz@yahoo.com, loonymancompugin@gmail.com, loonymancomputing@gmail.com.au, loooppy66@yahoo.com, loop@press62.org, looparc@arsenic.violacea.com, looparc@loopers-delight.com, loopcity@email.msn.com, loopdelightml@nosuch.biz, looper@venetowest.com, loopers-delight@annihilist.com, loopers-delight@arsenic.violace, loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com, loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com, loopers-delight-d@loopers-delight.com, loopfram-@topica.com, loophole@cck-esq.com, looplink@savvy.com, looppool@cruzio.com, loopyemma_uk@hotmail.com, loopylibertarian@gmail.com, loopylisa@btinternet.com, loos@ecn.nl, loos@hudce.harvard.edu, loos@qt1.iq.usp.br, loosebrad@pipeline.com, loosecaboose3@shaw.ca, loosecannonvaca@yahoo.com, looseinside@hotmail.com, loosej@aol.com, loosejoint@aol.co, looselocks@aol.com, looselugnuts@verizon.net, loosemore@citlink.net, looserockett@aol.com.dj, looslim@post.ch, lootterycoordinator@nationwideuk.co.uk, loozerz@mistral.com, lop@apng.com, lop3rainbows@aol.com X-Fix: NTMail fixed non RFC822 compliant EMail message X-AuthenticatedSender: security@paypal.com Message-Id: <16245562276625@mail.MedicalBenefitGroup.com> PayPal
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    From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Apr 1 18:08:47 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BCBA93BEC5; Sun, 1 Apr 2007 18:08:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Sun, 01 Apr 2007 14:00:00 -0400 From: Bill Fox Subject: Galactic Travels Monthly Top 20 Report for March, 2007 To: undisclosed-recipients: ; Message-id: <460FF320.5040009@soundscapes.us> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.10 (Windows/20070221) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69273 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2007 18:08:47 +0000 (UTC) http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2007/top20mar.html WDIY 88.1 FM "Galactic Travels" Top 20 for March, 2007. Shows #518 to #522; 1-March-2007 to 29-March-2007 Reported in non-ranked, alphanumeric order. Compiled by Bill Fox website: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt RSS News Feed: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/rss/enews.xml Podcasts: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/rss/podcasts.xml ARTIST - ALBUM TITLE - LABEL =========================================================== Alpha Wave Movement - The Regions Between - Harmonic Resonance Amongst Myselves - Auburn Silhouette - Amongst Projects Arcane - 33 1/3 RPM - NeuHarmony Arcane - Future Wreck - NeuHarmony Arcane - Gather Darkness - NeuHarmony Broekhuis, Keller, Schonwalder, Spyra, and Fox - Space Cowboys @ Jelenia Gora - Ricochet Dream Eric Wollo - Elevations - Spotted Peccary Ian Boddy - Elemental - DiN IXOHOXI and Numina - Megaliths and Monoliths - none Max van Richter - Resurrection - NeuHarmony Nemesis - Audio Archeology Vol. 1 - none Ololiuqui - Other Side of Odra - Ricochet Dream Palancar - Diminishing Light - Blue Water Palancar - Precis - Blue Water Parallel Worlds - Obsessive Surrealism - DiN Paul Lawler - Bronx Shadows - Ricochet Dream Rudy Adrian - Moonwater - Lotuspike Wolfram der Spyra - Excerpts 1 - Ricochet Dream Wolfram Spyra and Chris Lang - Achtundsechzig 24 - Manikin ['ramp] and Markus Reuter - Ceasing To Exist - doombient Bill ======================================================================= Host of Galactic Travels, an electronic, ambient, and space music show, Thursdays at 11:04 pm EDT (GMT-4:00) on WDIY 88.1 FM in Allentown and Bethlehem, 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg, and on 93.7 FM in Trexlertown and Fogelsville. WDIY also broadcasts in HD Digital Radio on 88.1 FM. Galactic Travels web site - http://wdiy.org/programs/gt RSS News Feed: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/rss/enews.xml Podcasts: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/rss/gt.xml Listen on-line to WDIY at http://wdiy.org and click on the LISTEN link or go directly to: http://rm1.refugemedia.com/ramgen/encoder/wdiy.rm To subscribe to the galactic-travels mailing list, click on [Join This Group!] at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/galactic-travels Playlists are also published at http://billfox.blogspot.com RSS (2.0) feed from http://billfox.blogspot.com/rss.xml Atom (0.3) feed from http://billfox.blogspot.com/atom.xml From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Apr 1 20:34:30 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3DABC3BEC5; Sun, 1 Apr 2007 20:34:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=Ph7Y4goFOs985sq/w+6p2BgtmmqUFf57fH/hud+W9qWQHJi9lXVwDaU6iGdB3I8JTZJHvT3bePcWiEUjpt7yJi64fF1EAsu7fys9Vl1Za5+sU/2lBtktCaGG5xyd8wf7eYzikUez9G9zPuwPOCL39xDYVYMKmIvzS3QY0qKe8v8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=qFLSQHFgbeXiW1FFZUtCNRRz/Nx+PmcSM87T5JcThC+ZMHvn8gZgjXddMfnfFWLD+a7bJSixtthZOuSypFYZGH9ItYz0O7yX41ix1DbRHqXjuNMoxbKeQMatKNc9xkSMUbZxPn6z59adLyC4hy4pAGN5Hg/IU3DVAbDelC2qs4M= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: References: <1011938815.1175269118732.JavaMail.root@fepweb13> <0bbd01c772ed$67f58df0$e701a8c0@pcfabio> <009601c77380$f7ab5f40$e701a8c0@pcfabio> <460E4833.3070001@tiscali.co.uk> <64b81a780703312212p39b3ac9fwfa58ec5e39ca5541@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: New live looping track posted Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2007 22:34:24 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69274 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2007 20:34:30 +0000 (UTC) http://www.looproom.com/audio/bof.mp3 Laptop looping with Mobius and a bunch of VST plug-ins for spicing up the strat's low output single coil line signal. Typically "EDP school" looping; only using one track in Mobius and re-moulding three linear loops on my way through the piece. I've settled now with only ten available effect chains in Bidule, mainly because the FCB1010 pedal board has ten pedals a bank for instant jumping between patches. These sounds were programmed for the fretless Telecaster but I think they worked fine with the Strat as well. A bit sloppy playing, but I kind of liked it that way in this context. I personally experience the guitar as playing a minor part in this music, like some drunk crow rambling around among those evolving loop sound blocks ;-)) Per From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Apr 1 20:49:20 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B432E3BECF; Sun, 1 Apr 2007 20:49:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.no; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=TEaFQaGItw2UxiimhzaB0XZr3GbMblZ1owFFyxrYnpM19m7TnULgai/nAlG/YIRXW2ekBsGu/qZ8zNB7zHQ42051rUcgyiie4zHYJlb2y7LPM1s0jH4s6iKtuUVVn6TzE+OzX8tBF5a6fDNyoD/OcBo6R8sld0SJ7iNcGgUW/+A=; X-YMail-OSG: KhnJdEAVM1mORbMGfgDoFOw3fEIIqpvh7dQSNmUOaLkzGxwEKe2QRTSoq021yTGK6z6Y694Xt6TVjst5_64NDZNm6.D21qzAXpr_mHAe67miUIuInyXdh45oBJk- Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2007 22:49:18 +0200 (CEST) From: rune fagereng Subject: RE: New live looping track posted To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <688580.3140.qm@web26204.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69275 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2007 20:49:20 +0000 (UTC) Nice music ! One day I will look into the "laptop and mobius-thing" Regarding looping - have anyone used Guitar-Rigs looper and lets say Ableton ? best regards Rune F. --- Per Boysen skrev: > http://www.looproom.com/audio/bof.mp3 > > Laptop looping with Mobius and a bunch of VST > plug-ins for spicing up > the strat's low output single coil line signal. > Typically "EDP > school" looping; only using one track in Mobius and > re-moulding three > linear loops on my way through the piece. I've > settled now with only > ten available effect chains in Bidule, mainly > because the FCB1010 > pedal board has ten pedals a bank for instant > jumping between > patches. These sounds were programmed for the > fretless Telecaster but > I think they worked fine with the Strat as well. A > bit sloppy > playing, but I kind of liked it that way in this > context. I > personally experience the guitar as playing a minor > part in this > music, like some drunk crow rambling around among > those evolving loop > sound blocks ;-)) > > Per > > > www.runefagereng.com www.myspace.com/runefagereng www.youtube.com/watch?v=bOHN4az59A0 Mail:rune_fagereng@yahoo.no Mob: 917 95 867 _________________________________________________________ Alt i én. Få Yahoo! Mail med adressekartotek, kalender og notisblokk. http://no.mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Apr 1 21:14:46 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1C4F33BED3; Sun, 1 Apr 2007 21:14:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=WySFnn3uINVbtCP45oEZO7XE3tG7E8qCcN/HXe0JztXTvaf40SrYJ/5q2gqyEIpkpTERAtbV79vXt2//JEz58lPQ5iJh8wwaz1VRsM9S1rpRmuY0hsr+cSfRU09Jb10vg5enI8OJRV3DDzJaTexPPsqC5iinJPrd5UngLBkDjD0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=ifEax8dysIzb9iFiD50/Hh39fixof3EG2Thfvk3nrFnKLp6rC/CRAxpj0r1eq1DvQ1/VP5o/dORGIIR0W6z8olAwZKBqwjOH7SFx3A+XmTOEmCF4K2SC2Ldfg+T/+yCubZCOtyijZ1wxrbNDPp8JGJFWxuhNGptnY+VV1MaYMYE= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <688580.3140.qm@web26204.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> References: <688580.3140.qm@web26204.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: GR2 looping in Live (was: Re: New live looping track posted) Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2007 23:14:41 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69276 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2007 21:14:46 +0000 (UTC) On 1 apr 2007, at 22.49, rune fagereng wrote: > Regarding looping - have anyone used Guitar-Rigs > looper and lets say Ableton ? Well, sort of "yes". I used another software looper that, in functionality, is close to Guitar-Rig's looper (Augustus Loop) in Ableton. I didn't find it very intuitive for Guitar-Rig style looping though. The concept I used is what I guess would be the best solution for Guitar-Rig In Live; creating live loops in the GR2 looper and record them to parallel Live tracks as loops. Compared to the fluent way of playing with Mobius it was way too complex IMHO (also too complex compared to using Live but taking advantage of Augustus Loop's ability to change loop pitch/speed - actually the concept I brought over from AL/Live into Mobius). When I tested Guitar Rig 2 I preferred to open it in Bidule and loop with Mobius instead of opening it in Live. If you are happy with the sound of GR2, that's a looping set-up I'm happy to recommend. Generally I'm finding Live too "bulky" for using as a musician. For live mixing or re-mix style live looping it's excellent though. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) http://tinyurl.com/2kek7h (CC donationware music releases) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Apr 1 22:29:30 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 937C03BED3; Sun, 1 Apr 2007 22:29:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com References: <1011938815.1175269118732.JavaMail.root@fepweb13> <0bbd01c772ed$67f58df0$e701a8c0@pcfabio> <009601c77380$f7ab5f40$e701a8c0@pcfabio> <460E4833.3070001@tiscali.co.uk> <64b81a780703312212p39b3ac9fwfa58ec5e39ca5541@mail.gmail.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: New live looping track posted Date: Sun, 01 Apr 2007 18:29:19 -0400 In-Reply-To: X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 From: nemoguitt@aol.com X-MB-Message-Type: User Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"; format=flowed X-Mailer: AOL WebMail 24126 Message-Id: <8C942C452E2B225-86C-6102@WEBMAIL-DF14.sysops.aol.com> X-AOL-IP: 205.188.104.78 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: <2L5CiD.A.pIG.KJDEGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69277 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2007 22:29:30 +0000 (UTC) sweet! http://www.myspace.com/klobuchar10 http://mysite.verizon.net/vzepmeci/ www.ct-collective.com -----Original Message----- From: perboysen@gmail.com http://www.looproom.com/audio/bof.mp3=C2=A0 =C2=A0 ________________________________________________________________________ AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free=20 from AOL at AOL.com. =3D0 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 2 02:57:18 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C72173BED8; Mon, 2 Apr 2007 02:57:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <042801c774d2$9ee1a290$a6cbf40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <1011938815.1175269118732.JavaMail.root@fepweb13> <0bbd01c772ed$67f58df0$e701a8c0@pcfabio> <009601c77380$f7ab5f40$e701a8c0@pcfabio> <460E4833.3070001@tiscali.co.uk> <64b81a780703312212p39b3ac9fwfa58ec5e39ca5541@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: New live looping track posted Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2007 20:57:15 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69278 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 02:57:18 +0000 (UTC) The guitar sounds great to me, Per! I love the section around 2:15, where you loose the rhythm and then bring it back...nice chord changes. Drunk cow? Say what? Would you settle for a drunk sax player instead? :) What are you using for the reverb VST? BTW, you can see my new MAX/MSP performance system here: http://www.krispenhartung.com/gear.htm I only have two VST effects (Reaktor and Mobius)...everything else is a clean running MAX/MSP patch, even the reverb! Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Per Boysen" To: Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2007 2:34 PM Subject: New live looping track posted > http://www.looproom.com/audio/bof.mp3 > > Laptop looping with Mobius and a bunch of VST plug-ins for spicing up the > strat's low output single coil line signal. Typically "EDP school" > looping; only using one track in Mobius and re-moulding three linear > loops on my way through the piece. I've settled now with only ten > available effect chains in Bidule, mainly because the FCB1010 pedal board > has ten pedals a bank for instant jumping between patches. These sounds > were programmed for the fretless Telecaster but I think they worked fine > with the Strat as well. A bit sloppy playing, but I kind of liked it that > way in this context. I personally experience the guitar as playing a > minor part in this music, like some drunk crow rambling around among > those evolving loop sound blocks ;-)) > > Per > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 2 03:06:51 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 929173BED6; Mon, 2 Apr 2007 03:06:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at cavesofice.org Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2007 23:04:30 -0400 (EDT) From: burnett@pobox.com X-X-Sender: badger@giggles.cavesofice.org To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: tuba looping on the Martian ice floes Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69279 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 03:06:51 +0000 (UTC) This afternoon my partner in Ouroboros David Morris and I worked on our live looping tuba project (he plays tuba, I liveloop the tuba and process it with effects). We were both interested in what might occur applying my newly acquired Electro-Harmonix Polyphonic Octave Generator http://namm.harmony-central.com/SNAMM04/Content/Electro-Harmonix/PR/POG.html to David's tuba. What was already a deep, rich tuba sound morphs into a massive slab of pipe organesque assault by applying the E-H and analog delay to some of the live loops. Visit the Martian ice floes with us. http://www.subscapeannex.com/tuba/martian_ice_floes.mp3 18min46sec, 13MB mp3. All sounds from one tuba live-looped in real-time, no other instruments used. [Effects: E-H POG, Moog Moogerfooger MF-104 (original) analog delay, loopers (Akai Headrush, Boss RC-20, Boss RC-20XL, Digitech Jamman).] Comments and remarks welcome. best, Steve B Subscape Annex http://www.subscapeannex.com/ Ouroboros http://www.subscapeannex.com/ouroboros From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 2 07:17:30 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5A61C3BEE0; Mon, 2 Apr 2007 07:17:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [90.196.3.102] X-Originating-Email: [simeonharris@hotmail.com] X-Sender: simeonharris@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: From: "simeon harris" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: New live looping track posted Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2007 07:17:28 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Apr 2007 07:17:28.0326 (UTC) FILETIME=[F87FF260:01C774F6] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69280 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 07:17:30 +0000 (UTC) >From: Per Boysen > >http://www.looproom.com/audio/bof.mp3 > wow per, lovely! it's great how you seem able to keep completely on top of everything that's going on and adapt so quickly to changes that occur...very skillful...and it sounds superb...especially how it flows in and out of rhythm... sim www.simeonharris.co.uk _________________________________________________________________ Solve the Conspiracy and win fantastic prizes. http://www.theconspiracygame.co.uk/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 2 08:24:41 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B5C353BEE2; Mon, 2 Apr 2007 08:24:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-priority:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=ieyvgt74uofU7QZjfoJApR4C/66qgfP2V7VdjFCy6mlq7tytJnruqu5mOI0zyG+StlYGCpV1boHrn/iToxjHovgRpudgtn5kLtzq7vP7VaedtyFp8cvuyVycKo8d0LlB92u9ZMcPRvl5rvrf356xo9+/nGO6B577TXPF/vqlYjQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-priority:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=uLGTIo6ikijHuDk/g7xkvQEH9ghp69Ye9qHhguFQpSgn8ltIEOBYrrAcdmX+nP+HICot2OYSCNGU9FgJX6sO6ySydX6yVVPhksAFICq/oB9fnwfZ1bGOxa5ies/v6cZd2JgV3NQDG1pnL80a8JjSc7rNbzPTKr4ASk/vLkZSECA= In-Reply-To: <042801c774d2$9ee1a290$a6cbf40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> References: <1011938815.1175269118732.JavaMail.root@fepweb13> <0bbd01c772ed$67f58df0$e701a8c0@pcfabio> <009601c77380$f7ab5f40$e701a8c0@pcfabio> <460E4833.3070001@tiscali.co.uk> <64b81a780703312212p39b3ac9fwfa58ec5e39ca5541@mail.gmail.com> <042801c774d2$9ee1a290$a6cbf40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <6C38E1F5-32B8-4602-A9AE-9F6A14361885@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: New live looping track posted Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 10:24:34 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69281 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 08:24:41 +0000 (UTC) On 2 apr 2007, at 04.57, Krispen Hartung wrote: > The guitar sounds great to me, Per! Mainly using the VST plug-ins OhmForce Predatohm and the free mda Combo as "the input stage". > I love the section around 2:15, where you loose the rhythm and then > bring it back...nice chord changes. For the part just before 2:15 I had looped a major triad chord drone, played by overdub layering long fuzzed single string notes and then I was re-pitching ("loop rate shifting") that major chord drone loop to match the melody lines I was playing over it (and vice versa). At 2:15 I changed loop, back to a rhythmic loop that I had created earlier by quantized SUSSubstituting. The bass notes are created by a pedal script that brings up the entire loop one octave, SUSSubstitutes a short slice, goes back down to normal octave and finally reverses for a short while to compensate for the faster tempo at the higher octave (rate shifting, not pitch shifting) so the loop will not go out of sync with other loops (although this particular session was not using parallel loops on other tracks). So it's really a simple looping system, I don't even have to play the bass notes, I simply kick the bass pedal whenever I play a regular "guitar register" note that I think would be nice as a "bass dot" in the loop one octave below. > BTW, you can see my new MAX/MSP performance system here: http:// > www.krispenhartung.com/gear.htm Looking nice. It would be interesting with a description of its musical virtues ;-) > What are you using for the reverb VST? The one I like best is the spring or plate simulation that is part of the PSP 608 MultiDelay. That plug-in also does a lot for achieving a lush but yet sharp tone! The stereo recording, of that live looping improvisation, was also spice up with a very light touch of a convolution reverb made from a long and bright plate reverb. Bass frequencies under 900 Hz was cut out before that chebang plate reverb. On 2 apr 2007, at 09.17, simeon harris wrote: > it's great how you seem able to keep completely on top of > everything that's going on and adapt so quickly to changes that > occur...very skillful...and it sounds superb...especially how it > flows in and out of rhythm... Well the performance concept is not trying to play on top of anything, rather to simply play whatever feels good and instantly creating the loops to thrive on top of my playing ;-)) It's like two hand piano playing; you improvise on two fronts, but here it's the playing and the looping. And the challenge is to make these two sides make some magic together. So I really don't "adapt so quickly to changes that occur" because I myself am making up those changes as I go. And since they are part of the improvisation I know about them some seconds in advance and can avoid the worst traps. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) http://tinyurl.com/2kek7h (CC donationware music releases) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 2 10:53:54 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 25D2D3BED8; Mon, 2 Apr 2007 10:53:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <013101c77515$253c2490$e701a8c0@pcfabio> From: "Fabio Anile" To: References: <1011938815.1175269118732.JavaMail.root@fepweb13> <0bbd01c772ed$67f58df0$e701a8c0@pcfabio> <009601c77380$f7ab5f40$e701a8c0@pcfabio> <460E4833.3070001@tiscali.co.uk> <64b81a780703312212p39b3ac9fwfa58ec5e39ca5541@mail.gmail.com> <671C24B4-CDD8-4652-BF2F-B5DF36EA0486@gmail.com> Subject: Re: Why not a Looper's Delight Podcast ? Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 12:53:27 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Apr 2007 10:53:29.0084 (UTC) FILETIME=[25B6ABC0:01C77515] Resent-Message-ID: <-RD2X.A.I2B.BDOEGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69282 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 10:53:54 +0000 (UTC) Ok people, i'm starting to work on the Loopers podcast. Thanks for your suggestions. fabio www.eterogeneo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 2 11:05:51 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2D08F3BEDF; Mon, 2 Apr 2007 11:05:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <01d201c77516$da7b4330$e701a8c0@pcfabio> Reply-To: "e t e r o g e n e o" From: "e t e r o g e n e o" To: References: <1011938815.1175269118732.JavaMail.root@fepweb13> <0bbd01c772ed$67f58df0$e701a8c0@pcfabio> <009601c77380$f7ab5f40$e701a8c0@pcfabio> <460E4833.3070001@tiscali.co.uk> <64b81a780703312212p39b3ac9fwfa58ec5e39ca5541@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: New live looping track posted Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 13:05:41 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Spam-Rating: smtp5.aruba.it 1.6.2 0/1000/N Resent-Message-ID: <0PP6pC.A.7XC.OOOEGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69283 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 11:05:51 +0000 (UTC) Excellent ! fabio www.eterogeneo.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Per Boysen" To: Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2007 10:34 PM Subject: New live looping track posted > http://www.looproom.com/audio/bof.mp3 > > Laptop looping with Mobius and a bunch of VST plug-ins for spicing up the > strat's low output single coil line signal. Typically "EDP school" > looping; only using one track in Mobius and re-moulding three linear > loops on my way through the piece. I've settled now with only ten > available effect chains in Bidule, mainly because the FCB1010 pedal board > has ten pedals a bank for instant jumping between patches. These sounds > were programmed for the fretless Telecaster but I think they worked fine > with the Strat as well. A bit sloppy playing, but I kind of liked it that > way in this context. I personally experience the guitar as playing a > minor part in this music, like some drunk crow rambling around among > those evolving loop sound blocks ;-)) > > Per > > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.24/742 - Release Date: > 01/04/2007 20.49 > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 2 13:22:46 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2B1AC3BED8; Mon, 2 Apr 2007 13:22:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "Woz Mail" To: Subject: RE: New live looping track posted Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 23:19:44 +1000 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: Resent-Message-ID: <3LGg8D.A.tNH.lOQEGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69284 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 13:22:46 +0000 (UTC) Absoultley Amazing Per! Well done and thank you. Woz -----Original Message----- From: Per Boysen [mailto:perboysen@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, April 02, 2007 6:34 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: New live looping track posted http://www.looproom.com/audio/bof.mp3 Laptop looping with Mobius and a bunch of VST plug-ins for spicing up the strat's low output single coil line signal. Typically "EDP school" looping; only using one track in Mobius and re-moulding three linear loops on my way through the piece. I've settled now with only ten available effect chains in Bidule, mainly because the FCB1010 pedal board has ten pedals a bank for instant jumping between patches. These sounds were programmed for the fretless Telecaster but I think they worked fine with the Strat as well. A bit sloppy playing, but I kind of liked it that way in this context. I personally experience the guitar as playing a minor part in this music, like some drunk crow rambling around among those evolving loop sound blocks ;-)) Per -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.24/742 - Release Date: 4/1/2007 8:49 PM From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 2 13:48:08 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A81D73BEDA; Mon, 2 Apr 2007 13:48:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <046201c7752d$8aab78e0$a6cbf40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <1011938815.1175269118732.JavaMail.root@fepweb13> <0bbd01c772ed$67f58df0$e701a8c0@pcfabio> <009601c77380$f7ab5f40$e701a8c0@pcfabio> <460E4833.3070001@tiscali.co.uk> <64b81a780703312212p39b3ac9fwfa58ec5e39ca5541@mail.gmail.com> <671C24B4-CDD8-4652-BF2F-B5DF36EA0486@gmail.com> <013101c77515$253c2490$e701a8c0@pcfabio> Subject: Re: Why not a Looper's Delight Podcast ? Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 07:48:05 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69285 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 13:48:08 +0000 (UTC) BTW, Fabio, I was meaning to ask - How long are you planning on making this podcast? Because if you really want to have a lot of content, you could also add all the Y2K5 and Y2K6 recordings. You should have all the links in your email archives, but I could provide them as well. Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Fabio Anile" To: Sent: Monday, April 02, 2007 4:53 AM Subject: Re: Why not a Looper's Delight Podcast ? > Ok people, i'm starting to work on the Loopers podcast. > Thanks for your suggestions. > fabio > www.eterogeneo.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 2 14:05:07 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1DBAE3BEDA; Mon, 2 Apr 2007 14:05:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 15:05:03 +0100 Message-Id: Subject: TC Electronic ND-1 Nova Delay MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Sensitivity: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: "Sjaak" To: "Loopers-Delight" X-XaM3-API-Version: 4.1 (B54) X-type: 0 X-SenderIP: 131.174.104.128 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69286 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 14:05:06 +0000 (UTC) A TC 2290 in a stompbox? http://www.tcelectronic.com/NovaDelay=0A---=0ASc= arlet ADSL Unlimited =E2=80=93 Slechts 24,95 euro per maand.=0AMax downlo= ad snelheid tot 6 Mbps, 30 GB download volume . Bestel nu=E2=80=A6 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 2 14:13:51 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5437C3BEC7; Mon, 2 Apr 2007 14:13:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-18--352492702 Message-Id: <90E6B968-0510-461B-A4A7-ED9F9AD5F821@fuse.net> From: monk Subject: Re: TC Electronic ND-1 Nova Delay Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 10:13:22 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69287 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 14:13:51 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-18--352492702 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; delsp=yes; format=flowed interesting.. they did what i've been telling line6 to do forever. =20 have all the feature sets indepent. choose the kind of delay, and =20 then the tap of the delay independently. they kind of did this on the =20= Echo Pro, but not on the stompbox. it looks cool, but no midi???? On Apr 2, 2007, at 10:05 AM, Sjaak wrote: > A TC 2290 in a stompbox? http://www.tcelectronic.com/NovaDelay > --- > Scarlet ADSL Unlimited =E2=80=93 Slechts 24,95 euro per maand. > Max download snelheid tot 6 Mbps, 30 GB download volume . Bestel nu=E2=80= =A6 > ric hordinski www.richordinski.com www.myspace.com/richordinskimusic www.myspace.com/monasterystudio --Apple-Mail-18--352492702 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=WINDOWS-1252 interesting.. they did what i've = been telling line6 to do forever. have all the feature sets indepent. = choose the kind of=A0 delay, and then the tap of the delay = independently. they kind of did this on the Echo Pro, but not on the = stompbox.

    it looks = cool, but no midi????



    On Apr 2, = 2007, at 10:05 AM, Sjaak wrote:

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    ric = hordinski

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    = --Apple-Mail-18--352492702-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 2 14:19:54 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4F08E3BEE2; Mon, 2 Apr 2007 14:19:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Originating-IP: [216.113.128.239] X-Identified-User: {864:box76.bluehost.com:kevinkis:kevinkissinger.com} {sentby:webmail from 216.113.128.239} Message-ID: <20070402091951.bjkjrt3b408okgw8@69.89.21.76> Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2007 09:19:51 -0500 From: kkissinger@kevinkissinger.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: New live looping track posted References: <1011938815.1175269118732.JavaMail.root@fepweb13> <0bbd01c772ed$67f58df0$e701a8c0@pcfabio> <009601c77380$f7ab5f40$e701a8c0@pcfabio> <460E4833.3070001@tiscali.co.uk> <64b81a780703312212p39b3ac9fwfa58ec5e39ca5541@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.3) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69288 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 14:19:54 +0000 (UTC) Great sounds. Inspiring, too. Thanks for posting. -- Kevin Quoting Per Boysen : > http://www.looproom.com/audio/bof.mp3 > > Laptop looping with Mobius and a bunch of VST plug-ins for spicing up > the strat's low output single coil line signal. Typically "EDP school" > looping; only using one track in Mobius and re-moulding three linear > loops on my way through the piece. I've settled now with only ten > available effect chains in Bidule, mainly because the FCB1010 pedal > board has ten pedals a bank for instant jumping between patches. These > sounds were programmed for the fretless Telecaster but I think they > worked fine with the Strat as well. A bit sloppy playing, but I kind of > liked it that way in this context. I personally experience the guitar > as playing a minor part in this music, like some drunk crow rambling > around among those evolving loop sound blocks ;-)) > > Per From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 2 14:30:07 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 541A23BEE4; Mon, 2 Apr 2007 14:30:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=R3DBQHs4fx2X/QBRD57/RK0dAYIVI62v5BqD+ydjObPN2XSiUdYruzHZEYu23APr; h=Received:Mime-Version:In-Reply-To:References:Content-Type:Message-Id:Content-Transfer-Encoding:From:Subject:Date:To:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <14161A54-61DE-480D-9E56-0E7A9D5101F0@earthlink.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: David Coffin Subject: Re: TC Electronic ND-1 Nova Delay Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 07:29:59 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-ELNK-Trace: 0cf8a1273a73c9ff1aa676d7e74259b7b3291a7d08dfec796b61e1a0ec83a2e11cd58af72a9dc6eb350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 68.118.67.3 Resent-Message-ID: <1LX4pB.A.3CD.uNREGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69289 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 14:30:07 +0000 (UTC) How can an FX company design such an elaborate website/brochure/Flash-=20= demo site for a delay pedal and never once (that I can see) say what =20 the maximum delay time is??? Somebody=92s asleep at the wheel.... dc On Apr 2, 2007, at 7:05 AM, Sjaak wrote: > A TC 2290 in a stompbox? http://www.tcelectronic.com/NovaDelay > --- > Scarlet ADSL Unlimited =E2=80=93 Slechts 24,95 euro per maand. > Max download snelheid tot 6 Mbps, 30 GB download volume . Bestel nu=E2=80= =A6 > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 2 14:34:07 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 553DB3BEDA; Mon, 2 Apr 2007 14:34:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Bill Edmondson" To: Subject: RE: TC Electronic ND-1 Nova Delay Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 10:34:09 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 In-Reply-To: <14161A54-61DE-480D-9E56-0E7A9D5101F0@earthlink.net> Thread-Index: Acd1M2pEEWGTHdu6RduPoyZSVsG0LwAADmuA Message-Id: <20070402143404.CAA783BEB2@arsenic.violacea.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69290 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 14:34:07 +0000 (UTC) Dunno. But there is mention that it's 2250 msec on the sonic state = vid... http://www.sonicstate.com/news/shownews.cfm?newsid=3D4536 > -----Original Message----- > From: David Coffin [mailto:dpcoffin@earthlink.net] > Sent: Monday, April 02, 2007 10:30 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: TC Electronic ND-1 Nova Delay >=20 > How can an FX company design such an elaborate website/brochure/Flash- > demo site for a delay pedal and never once (that I can see) say what > the maximum delay time is??? > Somebody=E2=80=99s asleep at the wheel.... > dc >=20 > On Apr 2, 2007, at 7:05 AM, Sjaak wrote: >=20 > > A TC 2290 in a stompbox? http://www.tcelectronic.com/NovaDelay > > --- > > Scarlet ADSL Unlimited =C3=A2=E2=82=AC=E2=80=9C Slechts 24,95 euro = per maand. > > Max download snelheid tot 6 Mbps, 30 GB download volume . Bestel = nu=C3=A2=E2=82=AC=C2=A6 > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 2 15:05:02 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 03F773BEC7; Mon, 2 Apr 2007 15:05:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <058401c77538$46623c90$e701a8c0@pcfabio> Reply-To: "e t e r o g e n e o" From: "e t e r o g e n e o" To: References: <1011938815.1175269118732.JavaMail.root@fepweb13> <0bbd01c772ed$67f58df0$e701a8c0@pcfabio> <009601c77380$f7ab5f40$e701a8c0@pcfabio> <460E4833.3070001@tiscali.co.uk> <64b81a780703312212p39b3ac9fwfa58ec5e39ca5541@mail.gmail.com> <671C24B4-CDD8-4652-BF2F-B5DF36EA0486@gmail.com> <013101c77515$253c2490$e701a8c0@pcfabio> <046201c7752d$8aab78e0$a6cbf40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Subject: Re: Why not a Looper's Delight Podcast ? Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 17:04:55 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Spam-Rating: smtp3.aruba.it 1.6.2 0/1000/N Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69291 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 15:05:01 +0000 (UTC) Dear Kris, i'm thinking to start with a podcast containing about 4 songs from each artist. But it's only the beginning.... A podcast is like a tramission; it can contains 1 or more episodes; informations; photos, movies, etc...as Per has well explained. Interviews, talks about technique and how a particular song was written/recorded - as Matthew suggested (thanks for your help, Matt, i'll need it for sure) - or photos of the gear used (for those who love to show them) or video performances are very good ideas and i'll work in that direction. I would like to build up a podast with a lot of music, too, including the Y2K6 performance, etc.... , but it could be a very hard work if we think to implement it formt he beginning with interviews, photo, info, movies, etc.... I think that starting is the best thing: going on we'll see how to improve it and how to organize episodes nad contents. These will be the first 3 steps : 1. build a podcast with about 4 song for eache artist; 2. contact each artist to ask the pertinent informations and/or photos related to each song; 3. submit the podcast to the i-tunes store and other podcast search engines; Then, insert looping performance movies, interviews, and/or technique talks and make it growing with more songs. Ideas are always welcome ! fabio www.eterogeneo.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Sent: Monday, April 02, 2007 3:48 PM Subject: Re: Why not a Looper's Delight Podcast ? > BTW, Fabio, I was meaning to ask - How long are you planning on making > this podcast? Because if you really want to have a lot of content, you > could also add all the Y2K5 and Y2K6 recordings. You should have all the > links in your email archives, but I could provide them as well. > > Kris > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Fabio Anile" > To: > Sent: Monday, April 02, 2007 4:53 AM > Subject: Re: Why not a Looper's Delight Podcast ? > > >> Ok people, i'm starting to work on the Loopers podcast. >> Thanks for your suggestions. >> fabio >> www.eterogeneo.com >> >> > > > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.24/742 - Release Date: > 01/04/2007 20.49 > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 2 16:18:14 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D83FA3BEC5; Mon, 2 Apr 2007 16:18:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Eon-Dm: dm24 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Message-Id: <20070402091811.A88CFF29@resin11.mta.everyone.net> Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 09:18:11 -0700 From: To: Subject: Re: tuba looping on the Martian ice floes X-Eon-Sig: AQIi1PxGESzD1Hn50wEAAAAB,e1001f4ef8a4d14b7ce94f9f89674f18 X-Originating-Ip: [172.165.186.63] Resent-Message-ID: <2Kax3B.A.1v.GzSEGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69292 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 16:18:14 +0000 (UTC) Yeah Man ! I haven't downloaded it yet, in process ... tuba looping, ice floes- you have my attention ! John Z --- burnett@pobox.com wrote: From: burnett@pobox.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: tuba looping on the Martian ice floes Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2007 23:04:30 -0400 (EDT) This afternoon my partner in Ouroboros David Morris and I worked on our live looping tuba project (he plays tuba, I liveloop the tuba and process it with effects). We were both interested in what might occur applying my newly acquired Electro-Harmonix Polyphonic Octave Generator http://namm.harmony-central.com/SNAMM04/Content/Electro-Harmonix/PR/POG.html to David's tuba. What was already a deep, rich tuba sound morphs into a massive slab of pipe organesque assault by applying the E-H and analog delay to some of the live loops. Visit the Martian ice floes with us. http://www.subscapeannex.com/tuba/martian_ice_floes.mp3 18min46sec, 13MB mp3. All sounds from one tuba live-looped in real-time, no other instruments used. [Effects: E-H POG, Moog Moogerfooger MF-104 (original) analog delay, loopers (Akai Headrush, Boss RC-20, Boss RC-20XL, Digitech Jamman).] Comments and remarks welcome. best, Steve B Subscape Annex http://www.subscapeannex.com/ Ouroboros http://www.subscapeannex.com/ouroboros _____________________________________________________________ Netscape. Just the Net You Need. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 2 17:46:55 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 458A83BEDA; Mon, 2 Apr 2007 17:46:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Michael Peters" To: "Loopers Delight" References: <6C38E1F5-32B8-4602-A9AE-9F6A14361885@gmail.com> Subject: RE: New live looping track posted Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 19:46:19 +0200 Message-ID: <009e01c7754e$d2331350$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <6C38E1F5-32B8-4602-A9AE-9F6A14361885@gmail.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Thread-Index: Acd1RBi1opsy/KKwRlqV1A1peD+sXwACle9A Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69293 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 17:46:55 +0000 (UTC) > At 2:15 I changed loop, back to a rhythmic loop that I had created earlier by quantized SUSSubstituting could someone please list the EDP settings for that kind of rhythm effect? many people here use it - Andy Butler and Bill Walker and others - but I never managed to figure how to do it. -Michael www.michaelpeters.de From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 2 19:10:16 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5195D3BEE7; Mon, 2 Apr 2007 19:10:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Ao8CAObxEEbUSnIN/2dsb2JhbAClcw Message-ID: <46115529.10201@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2007 20:10:33 +0100 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: SUSSubstitute for Michael Peters References: <6C38E1F5-32B8-4602-A9AE-9F6A14361885@gmail.com> <009e01c7754e$d2331350$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> In-Reply-To: <009e01c7754e$d2331350$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69294 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 19:10:16 +0000 (UTC) hi Michael I guess this is what you're after. Method 1 Quantise=8th 8th/cycle= your choice InsertMode=SUB A short press of Insert will substitute a fraction of a cycle, based on the 8th/cycle value. Won't work if the 8th/cycle value is too high for the size of loop (Timing LED won't flash) A good place to start is a 2sec loop and 8th/cycle=8 Method 2 Quantise=CyC InsertMode=SUB Doesn't get interesting unless you create a small loop and multiply it, then a short press of Insert Substitutes just one cycle. Related Stuff InsertMode=rPL works in a similar way. Quantise=CyC InsertMode=SUS Allows you to start with a short loop, and do a short press of Insert to add equal sized chunks each a cycle long ( e.g. andy butler "Tripwire" ) have fun andy butler Michael Peters wrote: >> At 2:15 I changed loop, back to a rhythmic loop that I had created > earlier by quantized SUSSubstituting > > could someone please list the EDP settings for that kind of rhythm effect? > many people here use it - Andy Butler and Bill Walker and others - but I > never managed to figure how to do it. > > -Michael www.michaelpeters.de > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 2 19:36:55 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 71BAF3BEEE; Mon, 2 Apr 2007 19:36:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Sjaak" To: Subject: RE: TC Electronic ND-1 Nova Delay Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 21:36:28 +0200 Message-ID: <000001c7755e$38d04f60$020313ac@SOVERGAAUW> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6822 In-Reply-To: <20070402143404.CAA783BEB2@arsenic.violacea.com> Importance: Normal Thread-Index: Acd1M2pEEWGTHdu6RduPoyZSVsG0LwAADmuAAAqSWSA= X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-DCC-scarlet.be-Metrics: guri 20001; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69295 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 19:36:55 +0000 (UTC) > Bill Edmondson wrote > Dunno. But there is mention that it's 2250 msec on the sonic state vid... That's correct, 2250 msec. The list price will be approx. 249 EUR and it will be available as of juli '07. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 2 19:57:32 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D60BA3BEE9; Mon, 2 Apr 2007 19:57:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=f45t/dah8hWfB3dmaLeNjdjI3LsJ89k9EkP33HoUqimhs/CQhIG4Vrd4Fbn4iVQyO3bwDgSiQerT9t3v7j6G3JnikHMmD3lfRqhQs+Rn33Wuf7wojoy9XMSO5f5N275qI1sw0z9P25RA5WPkckT108Z3czv0s+kMom9CF4xHnoo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=mG2t/5sSgNCKD7i/KoMxYsHrOk2rZ3Ru36nkPkL3Jb+cAX1XNDV9L6SpzYO8wXhwl+Dmk5T4AQAPsLXUZzcqCi2JWEh3/yszR+abWHZU3L66MzvmjX8TFDAOVApge+wMK9gjYvAgSBe8Ho4n0IraMIq6naPV7x3MEfcVUYzzgTo= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <009e01c7754e$d2331350$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> References: <6C38E1F5-32B8-4602-A9AE-9F6A14361885@gmail.com> <009e01c7754e$d2331350$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: SUSSubstitute on the EDP (Re: New live looping track posted) Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 21:57:25 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69296 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 19:57:32 +0000 (UTC) >> At 2:15 I changed loop, back to a rhythmic loop that I had created > earlier by quantized SUSSubstituting > On 2 apr 2007, at 19.46, Michael Peters wrote: > could someone please list the EDP settings for that kind of rhythm > effect? > many people here use it - Andy Butler and Bill Walker and others - > but I > never managed to figure how to do it. --> Michael, Just want to add some personal tips to Andy's excellent write-up. He does mention Replace Mode and that's really awesome! I love to run my EDP in Replace Mode because you can then use the feedback knob on the front to set how much of the old audio will be kept under the new SUSSubstitute slices that you cut into the loop. But you can only get at Replace Mode if you connect a pedal at the rear feedback pedal jack. Since I use an FCB1010 MIDI pedal to control the EDP I just put a blind plug into the feedback jack, a dummy. What happens then that my assigned MIDI expression pedal controls the EDP feedback while the machine works in Replace Mode. Awesome! Anther good advice for doing SUSSubstituting with the EDP is to set up many presets of the same setting, but only with different values for 8th/cycle. In my EDP I even have presets with 8th/cycle settings useful for playing in 6/8, 5/4 etc. When you play and cut in audio slices into the loop you can jump between the EDP presets for the preset that is best suited for what you have in mind. When playing in 4/4 I like to start out with 8th/cycl=16 and if I feel that it would be nice with some sliced stuttering in a triad feel rhythm I might kick in the preset with 8th/cycle=24. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) http://tinyurl.com/2kek7h (CC donationware music releases) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 2 20:02:07 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BBCE33BEF6; Mon, 2 Apr 2007 20:02:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <46116134.5040509@mhorse.com> Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2007 15:01:56 -0500 From: Daryl Shawn User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.10 (Windows/20070221) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: tuba looping on the Martian ice floes References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69297 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 20:02:07 +0000 (UTC) Sounds like live looping the world's biggest pipe organ! Gorgeous tones. I wish I could listen to it on something that could handle the frequencies (though god knows what that would be). Subscape, indeed. Daryl Shawn www.swanwelder.com www.chinapaintingmusic.com > > http://www.subscapeannex.com/tuba/martian_ice_floes.mp3 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 2 20:03:22 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E4E003BEE4; Mon, 2 Apr 2007 20:03:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=uNFx7ojrndN1PhTNmYHJdaeTB3FiCJDdpxvz2EqsYL3b61HT1iiiQk5RaTXqjOn/M5XwrS5qAJJmVZFG88Op3m+16eV079Wu6B4Ml/PVu52Exzm8Ws9nZa4qOt0He+q8Yyde57VAYAdrfHS8FgK9CDhy51sSbxsP535Pafb+cc4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=hr+vlCYoRukmnP+0QuUqmifYeVfwmUfbeLyvhcH1zccNO76lXwvVLSfFQ+eItgmh0BAgewGZHy74kj9aP7Rp22ydVAFQ5yEGsOf2/tJUYIFrMncg4lf3wc4bB10mJ4AvqOXOVg5sWXgzdvC+UETJIaR6H4Qn4zY8fwC6eojgncg= Message-ID: <4cf76a0b0704021303x69851dbfybd28ae4437b32e40@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 13:03:21 -0700 From: "miles ward" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: tuba looping on the Martian ice floes In-Reply-To: <20070402091811.A88CFF29@resin11.mta.everyone.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <20070402091811.A88CFF29@resin11.mta.everyone.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69298 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 20:03:22 +0000 (UTC) Downloading as we speak.. i'm giddy with excitement! On 4/2/07, JZ_413@netscape.com wrote: > Yeah Man ! I haven't downloaded it yet, in process ... > > tuba looping, ice floes- you have my attention ! > > John Z > > --- burnett@pobox.com wrote: > > From: burnett@pobox.com > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: tuba looping on the Martian ice floes > Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2007 23:04:30 -0400 (EDT) > > This afternoon my partner in Ouroboros David Morris and I worked on our > live looping tuba project (he plays tuba, I liveloop the tuba and process > it with effects). > > We were both interested in what might occur applying my newly acquired > Electro-Harmonix Polyphonic Octave Generator > http://namm.harmony-central.com/SNAMM04/Content/Electro-Harmonix/PR/POG.html > to David's tuba. What was already a deep, rich tuba sound morphs into a > massive slab of pipe organesque assault by applying the E-H and analog > delay to some of the live loops. Visit the Martian ice floes with us. > > http://www.subscapeannex.com/tuba/martian_ice_floes.mp3 > > 18min46sec, 13MB mp3. > > All sounds from one tuba live-looped in real-time, no other instruments > used. > > [Effects: E-H POG, Moog Moogerfooger MF-104 (original) analog delay, > loopers (Akai Headrush, Boss RC-20, Boss RC-20XL, Digitech Jamman).] > > Comments and remarks welcome. > > best, > Steve B > Subscape Annex http://www.subscapeannex.com/ > Ouroboros http://www.subscapeannex.com/ouroboros > > > > > > _____________________________________________________________ > Netscape. Just the Net You Need. > > -- ---Miles Ward From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 2 20:24:21 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3ADF23BEE6; Mon, 2 Apr 2007 20:24:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: SUSSubstitute for Michael Peters Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 22:24:36 +0200 Organization: Moinlabs Message-ID: <000a01c77564$ee9e2730$1001a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <46115529.10201@tiscali.co.uk> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Thread-Index: Acd1WowFaHDtS8IJS+2fGa8vH5XQGwACkNcw X-RZG-AUTH: lUESeo99iNzPL8kuBgLYdKEqUywq9cxqeRA+BtFcSCD10+29g0hyhiEBYg== X-RZG-CLASS-ID: mo07 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69299 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 20:24:21 +0000 (UTC) This must be the funniest LD message subject in a long time! Personally, I don't think I would want a substitute for Michael Peters. Rainer From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 2 22:10:56 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8AF3B3BEE2; Mon, 2 Apr 2007 22:10:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: References: <1011938815.1175269118732.JavaMail.root@fepweb13> <0bbd01c772ed$67f58df0$e701a8c0@pcfabio> <009601c77380$f7ab5f40$e701a8c0@pcfabio> <460E4833.3070001@tiscali.co.uk> <64b81a780703312212p39b3ac9fwfa58ec5e39ca5541@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <1FC135F8-CCE5-43EA-96ED-E0CFF389A325@mac.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Teddy Kumpel Subject: Re: New live looping track posted Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 18:10:54 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAA== X-Brightmail-scanned: yes Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69300 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 22:10:56 +0000 (UTC) killer.... really cool guitar tone.. don't sell yourself short. teddy On Apr 1, 2007, at 4:34 PM, Per Boysen wrote: > http://www.looproom.com/audio/bof.mp3 > > Laptop looping with Mobius and a bunch of VST plug-ins for spicing > up the strat's low output single coil line signal. Typically "EDP > school" looping; only using one track in Mobius and re-moulding > three linear loops on my way through the piece. I've settled now > with only ten available effect chains in Bidule, mainly because the > FCB1010 pedal board has ten pedals a bank for instant jumping > between patches. These sounds were programmed for the fretless > Telecaster but I think they worked fine with the Strat as well. A > bit sloppy playing, but I kind of liked it that way in this > context. I personally experience the guitar as playing a minor part > in this music, like some drunk crow rambling around among those > evolving loop sound blocks ;-)) > > Per From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 2 22:16:04 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 37F423BEE0; Mon, 2 Apr 2007 22:16:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: FS: 4 Digitech 7.6 second TimeMachines, PDS-8000 Echo Plus and other loopers MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Lotus Notes 652HF83 November 04, 2004 From: Larry C Tremblay X-MIMETrack: S/MIME Sign by Notes Client on Larry C Tremblay/GTS/CSC(652HF83|November 04, 2004) at 04/02/2007 06:08:20 PM, Serialize by Notes Client on Larry C Tremblay/GTS/CSC(652HF83|November 04, 2004) at 04/02/2007 06:08:20 PM, Serialize complete at 04/02/2007 06:08:20 PM, S/MIME Sign failed at 04/02/2007 06:08:20 PM: The cryptographic key was not found, Serialize by Router on AMER-GW09/SRV/CSC(Release 7.0.2FP1 HF16|January 29, 2007) at 04/02/2007 06:14:50 PM, Serialize complete at 04/02/2007 06:14:50 PM Message-ID: Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 18:08:22 -0400 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=_alternative 00799CFB852572B1_=" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69301 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 22:16:04 +0000 (UTC) This is a multipart message in MIME format. --=_alternative 00799CFB852572B1_= Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" For Sale: 4 Digitech 7.6 second TimeMachines: $150 each or $500 for the whole bunch (just like getting one for free) :-) 2 DigiTech PDS-8000 Echo+Plus 8-second loopers: $250 each - I've used these in my home studio as my 'Frippertronics' jam unit. 2 DigiTech RDS-4000 rackmount 4-sec sampling delays DigiTech RDS-8000 rackmount 8-sec sampling delay Akai Headrush E1: $150 If you have any questions, please let me know. I'm in Charlotte, North Carolina --=_alternative 00799CFB852572B1_= Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII"
    For Sale:

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    From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 3 03:20:58 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9569E3BEE6; Tue, 3 Apr 2007 03:20:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:from:to:references:subject:date:message-id:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-mailer:thread-index:x-mimeole:in-reply-to; b=bjPx1U/8x9hN+6GccwcjYJZxj6WQj5N7cqzzDKuKtKrzAfm7bzCzMLqR0dkeLFVfnx92A4zqWYgqTscOYBtSWTxAOfWVdEpt+Wm6bojDynMQm/L2jVL2R7r/S1LOKcEHiaq9AHT3j+hpaUIIGn+7Ctw9UY3z1C1YUcBOzg7PWfw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:from:to:references:subject:date:message-id:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-mailer:thread-index:x-mimeole:in-reply-to; b=qHh1vqrYFN+q3nSqg+s9L9en/dmzpzmk9CrnM8aO8uD43VGgTirYZ4buBWrRBrdwxskprEZlwfU61YTbek1/Y9JQg971Uep1WlbayVhrT5FX3hvPPmho1qXSjr+d4QgbPHtkkp6l3s1ycdDnm9NdDKsy9j02QGz6iy8N55gzWzI= From: "Tony K" To: References: <1011938815.1175269118732.JavaMail.root@fepweb13> <0bbd01c772ed$67f58df0$e701a8c0@pcfabio> <009601c77380$f7ab5f40$e701a8c0@pcfabio> <460E4833.3070001@tiscali.co.uk> <64b81a780703312212p39b3ac9fwfa58ec5e39ca5541@mail.gmail.com> <671C24B4-CDD8-4652-BF2F-B5DF36EA0486@gmail.com> <013101c77515$253c2490$e701a8c0@pcfabio> <046201c7752d$8aab78e0$a6cbf40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Subject: New stuff Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 23:20:52 -0400 Message-ID: <006f01c7759f$1697de90$0200a8c0@daw1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1250" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 thread-index: Acd1LZNiih9FUWEFRQWfmL10myt32AAcPzug X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 In-Reply-To: <046201c7752d$8aab78e0$a6cbf40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69303 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2007 03:20:58 +0000 (UTC) Hi all, I finally got back into recording mode and this appeared over the weekend... Fun with a Bitrman and 4 delays. :) http://www.thinginajar.com/bigtony/Prism.mp3 Enjoy, Tony -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.24/742 - Release Date: 4/1/2007 8:49 PM From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 3 06:36:50 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3CDEF3BEE7; Tue, 3 Apr 2007 06:36:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=aJ/B2c6FIeqe8GSzZphgBezeQXWjCPHv0xJy1wahuizrwnrZwiF+yREBrfwloUw4L2THVixKxlz/u/m0i2c2RpGlB4PVYaIQ6942fWQd4G+ZSjmMKlCD12pPFNEKWBvHyoi+hM2KqRfQKbzJkRuEzdido8GLU3cHc9K5JXTtrn4=; X-YMail-OSG: YGgeHr0VM1kVnhYrKuVCuHjCS4QkP.UUrG8UJhnovrAN.YTx9L82NKU8rrydXTNt3xjgG.88rPLE17JhgYkbGcvPR_9BYs6Ypc7dMgNixZVAAlBTQoGYWY8XgAMQTQ-- Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 23:36:47 -0700 (PDT) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: RE: New live looping track posted To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <688580.3140.qm@web26204.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <617097.74602.qm@web38610.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69304 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2007 06:36:50 +0000 (UTC) Nice Per! All guitaR efx coming from bidule software? cheers Luis --- rune fagereng wrote: > Nice music ! > One day I will look into the "laptop and > mobius-thing" > > Regarding looping - have anyone used Guitar-Rigs > looper and lets say Ableton ? > > best regards Rune F. > > --- Per Boysen skrev: > > > http://www.looproom.com/audio/bof.mp3 > > > > Laptop looping with Mobius and a bunch of VST > > plug-ins for spicing up > > the strat's low output single coil line signal. > > Typically "EDP > > school" looping; only using one track in Mobius > and > > re-moulding three > > linear loops on my way through the piece. I've > > settled now with only > > ten available effect chains in Bidule, mainly > > because the FCB1010 > > pedal board has ten pedals a bank for instant > > jumping between > > patches. These sounds were programmed for the > > fretless Telecaster but > > I think they worked fine with the Strat as well. A > > bit sloppy > > playing, but I kind of liked it that way in this > > context. I > > personally experience the guitar as playing a > minor > > part in this > > music, like some drunk crow rambling around among > > those evolving loop > > sound blocks ;-)) > > > > Per > > > > > > > > > www.runefagereng.com > www.myspace.com/runefagereng > www.youtube.com/watch?v=bOHN4az59A0 > Mail:rune_fagereng@yahoo.no > Mob: 917 95 867 > > > > > > _________________________________________________________ > Alt i én. Få Yahoo! Mail med adressekartotek, > kalender og > notisblokk. http://no.mail.yahoo.com > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom ____________________________________________________________________________________ We won't tell. Get more on shows you hate to love (and love to hate): Yahoo! TV's Guilty Pleasures list. http://tv.yahoo.com/collections/265 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 3 06:58:35 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 89AEC3BEE1; Tue, 3 Apr 2007 06:58:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=ChgFOKniIQRzraU79pNntbsGf5eRHjxe8bNrNRwD0I+Dpch8D/2d85gf3ADU7VfCGBzu4sNswsTYBT2D1a3gPJ009MmyJtwB/UwXcGFwB2BammGeCWT8t2dJJ3psSL1Fg/DX6+LYNYn9z9vRqUUvx6SHTjLxqdFRQMVDoevBjL4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=gTqoHG0z7nhisqnr65XJPN0QvvZ1OYVG9Bvd534kRmBLpi6TxqhTij2X1CUrTIRSbmWoQEQ9J2r/sCfuWRdV4RREy4RfjRZtBjdx+e8w+Biq0eVO2DII5YbaVYCc6dDI+GJfXMHcIbFD1mjLpiTrcFsnrPXsCigT1KXKm10iU34= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <617097.74602.qm@web38610.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <617097.74602.qm@web38610.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <5017B4B9-0369-45F1-BE6E-86EE6BAC0C26@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: New live looping track posted Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2007 08:58:27 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: <0wWLMC.A.HKC.bsfEGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69305 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2007 06:58:35 +0000 (UTC) On 3 apr 2007, at 08.36, L.A. Angulo wrote: > Nice Per! > All guitaR efx coming from bidule software? > cheers > Luis No, nothing comes from Bidule. Bidule is only used as the host for VST plug-ins (effects + Mobius). Stratocaster lined directly into RMX Multiface ( no preamp). But I spent an awful lot of time getting the settings right, also matching signal levels as the audio flows through the chain of VST plug-ins. The most important plug-ins used for "the input stage" are mda Combos and OhmForce Predatohm. I also found the PSP 608 Multidelay good for providing a firm guitar tone as the base. The rest of the plug-ins are only used as you use effect pedals (phaser, delay, reverb, tremolo etc). I've never had any multi effect guitar box before - have always been a typical "plug-into-tube- amp-no-floor-boxes" person - so this is the first time I'm exploring guitar playing with the technique of jumping rapidly between multiple sound patches. In Bidule that is very easy to set up. If I should do it in Ableton Live the computer wold not have any CPU power left to even make noise ;-)) I will play a little more with this setup and then try a clone of it where I leave some delay effects active outside their local patch, so the delay won't get cut when I change for a different patch, but that concept taxes the CPU a little more so I need to see if the CPU can handle it. Even though the CPU meter in Bidule stays between 30 and 50 percent the setup became unstable when I went from the sound card buffer of 512 samples down to 256. It was only the fuzz sound patch that downed the computer - I wonder why? Must be something with the extreme overtone character of that sound... I must say, I like the idea of combining whatever plug-ins much better then the NI GuitarRig 2 which I tried some weeks ago. Both sound wise and artistically, but that's just my own taste. Someone else might like GR2 just because it does sound like normal amps and speakers, which is why I do not like it ;-) Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) http://tinyurl.com/2kek7h (CC donationware music releases) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 3 07:13:56 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EDDC93BEF6; Tue, 3 Apr 2007 07:13:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=A6TKJ4uI+bbF8Rml5Dtr926BWml730QvuRiNXsNxoogOiU8/ewcB/F0tk1tWj/rw8WIS0ggtNaVxnjW1VldnjTNiIM562uRUdyqFHNqYbEFO+AY0t4ZCNC/hXRc955nRCFY9UhehI87QjU9gVxKkPth3RdoIVaEcvRyho00TxGc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=BthJPIMiH/IBJvoFts+nqab8j41/sRPMRB1GGGrr+zOdl61FAb1ioX1+iwMJBTjvQU814ngDXryVqgBNOj94UfEHJu2D9CyzQnld8bRj34dfWtk+eQNXBiO9LA/37PLY0wq+5FiZiVnwrKQoHmkRoFZ3pu5RyKfpefY19cCvCxA= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <006f01c7759f$1697de90$0200a8c0@daw1> References: <1011938815.1175269118732.JavaMail.root@fepweb13> <0bbd01c772ed$67f58df0$e701a8c0@pcfabio> <009601c77380$f7ab5f40$e701a8c0@pcfabio> <460E4833.3070001@tiscali.co.uk> <64b81a780703312212p39b3ac9fwfa58ec5e39ca5541@mail.gmail.com> <671C24B4-CDD8-4652-BF2F-B5DF36EA0486@gmail.com> <013101c77515$253c2490$e701a8c0@pcfabio> <046201c7752d$8aab78e0$a6cbf40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <006f01c7759f$1697de90$0200a8c0@daw1> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <1030F6A0-0C8F-4AD2-BA44-2CF42279AC47@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: New stuff Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2007 09:13:46 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69306 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2007 07:13:55 +0000 (UTC) On 3 apr 2007, at 05.20, Tony K wrote: > Fun with a Bitrman and 4 delays. :) > http://www.thinginajar.com/bigtony/Prism.mp3 That's a nice one! I like the hysterical annoying vibe and that you do keep it up. I guess this track can "turn off" some listeners but I like it because of the threatening undertone. At some short parts you get get into whole note scales. Eventually it could get even more "devilish" if you should musically stick to those scales but still keep that frenetic sound cooking. Just an idea... ;-) Another alternate concept could be to do the piece within the attitude of not letting out any "normal guitar tone note". As in "playing between the notes". With all that sonic treatment I imagine that could be pretty interesting. 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    dhcp-dic send # cat ini.inc dhcp-dic send # From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 3 13:03:34 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E499E3BEDE; Tue, 3 Apr 2007 13:03:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2007 15:03:29 +0200 Message-Id: Subject: unsubscribe MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Sensitivity: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: "boops.secretvibes" To: "Loopers-Delight" X-XaM3-API-Version: 4.1 (B103) X-SenderIP: 127.0.0.1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69308 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2007 13:03:34 +0000 (UTC) unsubscibe: hi,i am tried third time to unsubscribe cause my box is f= ull of message,please help me to stop that!regards > This must be the funniest LD message subject in a long time! > > Personally, I don't think I would want a substitute for Michael Peters.= > > Rainer > > =0A=0ACr=E9ez votre adresse =E9lectronique prenom.nom@laposte.net 1 Go d'espace de stockage, anti-spam et anti-virus int=E9gr=E9s. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 3 13:45:48 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 478873BED6; Tue, 3 Apr 2007 13:45:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Ao8CAAn3EUbUSnIN/2dsb2JhbACnAA Message-ID: <46125A9B.8000905@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2007 14:46:03 +0100 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: unSUSSubcribe References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <7OXzqB.A.maF.MqlEGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69309 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2007 13:45:48 +0000 (UTC) boops.secretvibes wrote: > unsubscibe: hi,i am tried third time to unsubscribe cause my box is full of message,please help me to stop that!regards > it's no good asking us, you have to do it yourself http://www.loopers-delight.com/list/LoopList.html has an FAQ > > >> This must be the funniest LD message subject in a long time! >> >> Personally, I don't think I would want a substitute for Michael Peters. >> >> Rainer >> >> > > Créez votre adresse électronique prenom.nom@laposte.net > 1 Go d'espace de stockage, anti-spam et anti-virus intégrés. > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 3 13:49:05 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C303C3BEDF; Tue, 3 Apr 2007 13:49:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2007 08:44:41 -0400 Subject: Re: unsubscribe me too! PLEASE From: Joseph Allen Popp To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69310 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2007 13:49:05 +0000 (UTC) How do I unsubscribe. I'll resubscribe from my home computer, but this is too much for at work. Thanks! on 4/3/07 9:03 AM, boops.secretvibes at boops.secretvibes@laposte.net wrote= : > unsubscibe: hi,i am tried third time to unsubscribe cause my box is f= ull > of message,please help me to stop that!regards >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >> This must be the funniest LD message subject in a long time! >>=20 >> Personally, I don't think I would want a substitute for Michael Peters. >>=20 >> Rainer >>=20 >>=20 >=20 > Cr=E9ez votre adresse =E9lectronique prenom.nom@laposte.net > 1 Go d'espace de stockage, anti-spam et anti-virus int=E9gr=E9s. >=20 --=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 3 14:16:00 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9ADAC3BED6; Tue, 3 Apr 2007 14:16:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2007 10:15:52 EDT Subject: Re: nemoguitar recording again? when can i hear a cd of some new stuff? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_d43.5f55cfe.3343bb98_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 293 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69311 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2007 14:16:00 +0000 (UTC) --part1_d43.5f55cfe.3343bb98_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 4/2/07 6:50:45 PM, evanpeewee@yahoo.com writes: > when can i hear the new cd of material??????? > as soon as i stop being giddy playing with the drum machine.....what fun!.....also trying to understand the modeling section is an enjoyable task....."live looping" (tm) and recording are two totally different things, the fact that one doesn't have to blast it all out in one setting and can snug down and take some time to add "MORE STUFF", wheeeeeeeee!.....soon scott, soon.....then again, maybe in awhile.....:)m www.ct-collective.com http://mysite.verizon.net/vzepmeci/ http://www.myspace.com/klobuchar11 ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. --part1_d43.5f55cfe.3343bb98_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
    In a message dated 4/2/07 6:50:45 PM, evanpeewee@yahoo.com writes:


    when can i hear the n= ew cd of material???????


    as soon as i stop being giddy playing with the drum machine.....what fun!= .....also trying to understand the modeling section is an enjoyable task....= ."live looping" (tm) and recording are two totally different things, the fac= t that one doesn't have to blast it all out in one setting and can snug down= and take some time to add "MORE STUFF", wheeeeeeeee!.....soon scott, soon..= ...then again, maybe in awhile.....:)m



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    See what's=20= free at http://www.aol.com. --part1_d43.5f55cfe.3343bb98_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 3 14:40:44 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9D2E13BEE6; Tue, 3 Apr 2007 14:40:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com References: <1011938815.1175269118732.JavaMail.root@fepweb13> <0bbd01c772ed$67f58df0$e701a8c0@pcfabio> <009601c77380$f7ab5f40$e701a8c0@pcfabio> <460E4833.3070001@tiscali.co.uk> <64b81a780703312212p39b3ac9fwfa58ec5e39ca5541@mail.gmail.com> <671C24B4-CDD8-4652-BF2F-B5DF36EA0486@gmail.com> <013101c77515$253c2490$e701a8c0@pcfabio> <046201c7752d$8aab78e0$a6cbf40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <006f01c7759f$1697de90$0200a8c0@daw1> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: New stuff Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2007 10:40:35 -0400 In-Reply-To: <006f01c7759f$1697de90$0200a8c0@daw1> X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 From: nemoguitt@aol.com X-MB-Message-Type: User Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Mailer: AOL WebMail 25045 Message-Id: <8C944152CCE1FA0-D80-A65@WEBMAIL-RD06.sysops.aol.com> X-AOL-IP: 152.163.16.134 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69312 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2007 14:40:44 +0000 (UTC) the other day, one of my tunes was playing from my i-pod in the livingroom, louise came down the stairs, "that's awful!" sez she, "what don't you like about it?" i query, "EVERYTHING!" she answers and stops me in my tracks.....tony, i love your new piece!, i hear so many things going on in it, good stuff.....but the truth of the matter is this, i know no one, friends, family etc. that would listen to this music.....i fear that other than the folk on LD, i don't know anyone who can get behind music of this nature.....talk about living in a social vacuum, when my buddy comes over i always get "don't be playin that weird shit, it's devil's music".....and i think of myself as one of the more "milk/toast" players here, my stuff would go well on an "easy listening lite" channel.....when will "LOOPER'S ISLAND" be a reality, i'm soooo lonely.....:).....michael http://www.myspace.com/klobuchar10 http://mysite.verizon.net/vzepmeci/ www.ct-collective.com Fun with a Bitrman and 4 delays. :) http://www.thinginajar.com/bigtony/Prism.mp3 Enjoy, Tony ________________________________________________________________________ AOL now offers free email to everyone. 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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 3 14:43:25 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3D7313BEEE; Tue, 3 Apr 2007 14:43:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com References: <1011938815.1175269118732.JavaMail.root@fepweb13> <0bbd01c772ed$67f58df0$e701a8c0@pcfabio> <009601c77380$f7ab5f40$e701a8c0@pcfabio> <460E4833.3070001@tiscali.co.uk> <64b81a780703312212p39b3ac9fwfa58ec5e39ca5541@mail.gmail.com> <671C24B4-CDD8-4652-BF2F-B5DF36EA0486@gmail.com> <013101c77515$253c2490$e701a8c0@pcfabio> <046201c7752d$8aab78e0$a6cbf40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <006f01c7759f$1697de90$0200a8c0@daw1> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: New stuff Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2007 10:43:07 -0400 In-Reply-To: <006f01c7759f$1697de90$0200a8c0@daw1> X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 From: nemoguitt@aol.com X-MB-Message-Type: User Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Mailer: AOL WebMail 25045 Message-Id: <8C94415874B5144-D80-A87@WEBMAIL-RD06.sysops.aol.com> X-AOL-IP: 152.163.16.134 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69313 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2007 14:43:25 +0000 (UTC) one more thing.....tony, next time make it 4 bitrmen and 1 delay.....then everybody will love it! not just us cogniscenti (sp?).....:)m http://www.myspace.com/klobuchar10 http://mysite.verizon.net/vzepmeci/ www.ct-collective.com Fun with a Bitrman and 4 delays. :) http://www.thinginajar.com/bigtony/Prism.mp3 Enjoy, Tony -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.24/742 - Release Date: 4/1/2007 8:49 PM ________________________________________________________________________ AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 3 14:51:18 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1B9883BEFF; Tue, 3 Apr 2007 14:51:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <056c01c775ff$86bfb750$a6cbf40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Traveling to Frankfurt, Germany - May 21-24 - Anything Going On? Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2007 08:51:12 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0569_01C775CD.3B2A93A0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69314 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2007 14:51:18 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0569_01C775CD.3B2A93A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I'll be traveling to Frankfurt on business May 21-24. Is there anything = on, looping wise, in the area? I would live to meet some of you German = loopers. Michael? 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    ------=_NextPart_000_0569_01C775CD.3B2A93A0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 3 15:09:57 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CCDB83BF04; Tue, 3 Apr 2007 15:09:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Michael Peters" To: "Loopers Delight" References: <000a01c77564$ee9e2730$1001a8c0@succubus> Subject: RE: SUSSubstitute for Michael Peters Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2007 17:09:21 +0200 Message-ID: <004b01c77602$0efdba70$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Thread-Index: Acd1/0+EKJZh0F3nRK6PlZGd1XBPYAAAqHeQ In-Reply-To: <000a01c77564$ee9e2730$1001a8c0@succubus> Resent-Message-ID: <8FHJJB.A.4BD.F5mEGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69315 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2007 15:09:57 +0000 (UTC) > Personally, I don't think I would want a substitute for Michael Peters. > Rainer oh it feels so good to hear that :-) -MichaelP From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 3 15:14:56 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 183CF3BEF1; Tue, 3 Apr 2007 15:14:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Michael Peters" To: "Loopers Delight" References: <46115529.10201@tiscali.co.uk> Subject: RE: SUSSubstitute for Michael Peters Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2007 17:14:20 +0200 Message-ID: <004c01c77602$c16eba60$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Thread-Index: Acd1/09/FNf8LGf3QmCCYayxdDHF9AAA1cbw In-Reply-To: <46115529.10201@tiscali.co.uk> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69316 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2007 15:14:56 +0000 (UTC) thanks bunches Andy and Per !! I'll try this and will soon come up with wonderful new recordings :-) -Michael www.michaelpeters.de From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 3 15:27:24 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E5C303BF00; Tue, 3 Apr 2007 15:27:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=mPGeZvLmEu7IGQLDrqZXMqx5aa8Pn008DzbqacEWQvnTLBPB4DeSh8CGZCmeytvmf1KulGLV7CGsmF3zNjUWqgl5UccpL+YofxWvtce5BiaFGywK5yBD1YfYzHes0Q3FOIhgf2jMacswphSCX0OT9jRPZgIGFFuTK5MOs8N3Gjg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=dDL8r9hAWb6LknGXQwLkLGdyj0nir0XlKYzmA908HIgL/S0qxS7mtieew0NMuVtbSMDmfEEEDBqINhgaFR3un46gCLlSXGypByr0GZqJ11C9/SUMdNAs/OiYXx131HPu0NZcUybrhJEKiFES+6Eb48M3Ur9+RQy/MAmQ340xBys= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <8C944152CCE1FA0-D80-A65@WEBMAIL-RD06.sysops.aol.com> References: <1011938815.1175269118732.JavaMail.root@fepweb13> <0bbd01c772ed$67f58df0$e701a8c0@pcfabio> <009601c77380$f7ab5f40$e701a8c0@pcfabio> <460E4833.3070001@tiscali.co.uk> <64b81a780703312212p39b3ac9fwfa58ec5e39ca5541@mail.gmail.com> <671C24B4-CDD8-4652-BF2F-B5DF36EA0486@gmail.com> <013101c77515$253c2490$e701a8c0@pcfabio> <046201c7752d$8aab78e0$a6cbf40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <006f01c7759f$1697de90$0200a8c0@daw1> <8C944152CCE1FA0-D80-A65@WEBMAIL-RD06.sysops.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <26ACD1BB-2179-4856-A906-A851D99A04FC@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: New stuff Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2007 17:27:15 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69317 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2007 15:27:23 +0000 (UTC) On 3 apr 2007, at 16.40, nemoguitt@aol.com wrote: > good stuff.....but the truth of the matter is this, i know no one, =20 > friends, family etc. that would listen to this music..... Hey, Michael. I recognize Tony's musical attitude (with that piece) =20 as what some Swedish jazz musician use to call "SPR=C4CK". I don't now =20= how to call that genre in English, the Swedish word is absolutely =20 hilarious in Swedish, but it would translate into something like =20 "fuck shit up" or simply "explode". Usually this music is (or was) =20 played by "jazz musician" although the "real" jazz musicians (those =20 who know the Stan Getz catalog by heart) would not agree that these =20 "spr=E4ck" musicians has anything to do with jazz. Maybe the wildest =20 live recordings from Albert Ayler's band could qualify as SPR=C4CK? =20 Anyway, sometimes it sounds horrible and I can't stand it and =20 sometimes it sounds so extreme that I just love it. Still don't =20 understand exactly what makes the difference although it's obvious =20 when you listen to it. Sorry for the long and confused post, but what =20= I was trying to say is that there are some people that would listen =20 to that music ;-) per From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 3 15:27:55 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 63C233BF08; Tue, 3 Apr 2007 15:27:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=gjd6eWpDBg2XgJ2eTsV+UnbRX0n9gIl/EagCeX41LYHN3hAtC/LHcu04aJGi+QljH1JDnPo2tNFvyFoQ0vzKSbno+3hOA3PgtqGhOCSGoIR5MqmHAt8xEOlB9TaxF5ioVaX1icngBqyKFPnClSO/LlpXpHr8EuCERnqx//bUc30= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=Uw+ECoTaS3N/mK9JNTRcnJu1kfhgnAxINYSkJpK9uVXXaIdqFXuf6dAPLWNubH+/WTiA20+9VFXYq/xeomFDCH7L5nUbjFqHRxqSNZ/41GDrCGtc/d5o6raI4+3i5KlZm+rjOMVw+73c/CfH2ehVgYcZktXvwL/pL61tmkfQ8Mc= Message-ID: Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2007 11:27:35 -0400 From: "Tony K" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: New stuff In-Reply-To: <1030F6A0-0C8F-4AD2-BA44-2CF42279AC47@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_12446_10165861.1175614055002" References: <1011938815.1175269118732.JavaMail.root@fepweb13> <460E4833.3070001@tiscali.co.uk> <64b81a780703312212p39b3ac9fwfa58ec5e39ca5541@mail.gmail.com> <671C24B4-CDD8-4652-BF2F-B5DF36EA0486@gmail.com> <013101c77515$253c2490$e701a8c0@pcfabio> <046201c7752d$8aab78e0$a6cbf40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <006f01c7759f$1697de90$0200a8c0@daw1> <1030F6A0-0C8F-4AD2-BA44-2CF42279AC47@gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69318 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2007 15:27:55 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_12446_10165861.1175614055002 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline >That's a nice one! I like the hysterical annoying vibe and that you Thanks, I like that 'hysterical annoying vibe" comment. :) I like the idea to not let in any guitar tone. I have the mixer setup so that I can channel only the fx/delay signal to the PC. I've done that and it makes for some interesting recordings. It is sort of odd because I hear all of it when I play, but only the affected signal when it's played back. Tony On 4/3/07, Per Boysen wrote: > > On 3 apr 2007, at 05.20, Tony K wrote: > > > Fun with a Bitrman and 4 delays. :) > > http://www.thinginajar.com/bigtony/Prism.mp3 > > That's a nice one! I like the hysterical annoying vibe and that you > do keep it up. I guess this track can "turn off" some listeners but I > like it because of the threatening undertone. At some short parts you > get get into whole note scales. Eventually it could get even more > "devilish" if you should musically stick to those scales but still > keep that frenetic sound cooking. Just an idea... ;-) Another > alternate concept could be to do the piece within the attitude of not > letting out any "normal guitar tone note". As in "playing between the > notes". With all that sonic treatment I imagine that could be pretty > interesting. > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > www.looproom.com (international) > http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) > http://tinyurl.com/2kek7h (CC donationware music releases) > > > -- -==-=-=- Tony ------=_Part_12446_10165861.1175614055002 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline >That's a nice one! I like the hysterical annoying vibe and that you

    Thanks, I like that 'hysterical annoying vibe" comment. :)

    I like the idea to not let in any guitar tone.  I have the mixer setup so that I can channel only the fx/delay signal to the PC.  I've done that and it makes for some interesting recordings.  It is sort of odd because I hear all of it when I play, but only the affected signal when it's played back.

    Tony

    On 4/3/07, Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com> wrote:
    On 3 apr 2007, at 05.20, Tony K wrote:

    > Fun with a Bitrman and 4 delays. :)
    > http://www.thinginajar.com/bigtony/Prism.mp3

    That's a nice one! I like the hysterical annoying vibe and that you
    do keep it up. I guess this track can "turn off" some listeners but I
    like it because of the threatening undertone. At some short parts you
    get get into whole note scales. Eventually it could get even more
    "devilish" if you should musically stick to those scales but still
    keep that frenetic sound cooking. Just an  idea... ;-)  Another
    alternate concept could be to do the piece within the attitude of not
    letting out any "normal guitar tone note". As in "playing between the
    notes". With all that sonic treatment I imagine that could be pretty
    interesting.

    Greetings from Sweden

    Per Boysen
    www.boysen.se (Swedish)
    www.looproom.com (international)
    http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast)
    http://tinyurl.com/2kek7h (CC donationware music releases)





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    Tony ------=_Part_12446_10165861.1175614055002-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 3 15:34:18 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0D8FF3BEFC; Tue, 3 Apr 2007 15:34:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <002001c77605$7f8d01d0$0d0ba8c0@AMD01> From: "arcmotion" To: References: <46125A9B.8000905@tiscali.co.uk> Subject: Re: unSUSSubcribe Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2007 23:33:58 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.3790.2826 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.3790.2826 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69319 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2007 15:34:18 +0000 (UTC) i know i am probably not the first to mention this but a buletin type webpage with an associated podcast would be perfect for this subject. While i know that its easy to say and i appreciate the efforts of the people who make this all happen but i find myself snowed under by posts and having to unsubscibe ...even tho i love the subject matter. ----- Original Message ----- From: "andy butler" To: Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2007 9:46 PM Subject: Re: unSUSSubcribe > > > boops.secretvibes wrote: >> unsubscibe: hi,i am tried third time to unsubscribe cause my box is >> full of message,please help me to stop that!regards >> > > it's no good asking us, you have to do it yourself > > http://www.loopers-delight.com/list/LoopList.html > > has an FAQ > > > >> >> >>> This must be the funniest LD message subject in a long time! >>> >>> Personally, I don't think I would want a substitute for Michael Peters. >>> >>> Rainer >>> >>> >> >> Créez votre adresse électronique prenom.nom@laposte.net 1 Go d'espace de >> stockage, anti-spam et anti-virus intégrés. >> >> > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 3 15:50:17 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9382E3BEFF; Tue, 3 Apr 2007 15:50:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: AW: Traveling to Frankfurt, Germany - May 21-24 - Anything Going On? - sorry for onlins treply Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2007 17:50:32 +0200 Organization: Moinlabs Message-ID: <000901c77607$cfb2f910$1001a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <056c01c775ff$86bfb750$a6cbf40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Thread-Index: Acd1/4kQNv1GjrF7QluVUj7sTiY8JwACAN4g X-RZG-AUTH: lUESeo99iNzPL8kuBgLYdKEqUywq9cxqeRA+BtFcSCD5deQ7OICKOTnGzzM= X-RZG-CLASS-ID: mo07 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69320 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2007 15:50:17 +0000 (UTC) > I'll be traveling to Frankfurt on business May 21-24. Is there anything on Krispen, I wrote to you via private mail re: your comment on my myspace page - but alas didn't get any reply...do I suffer from the "nobody reads me" phenomenon again? Looking forward to your feedback via private mail, Rainer From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 3 15:51:41 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 296D53BF01; Tue, 3 Apr 2007 15:51:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at cavesofice.org Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2007 11:49:14 -0400 (EDT) From: burnett@pobox.com X-X-Sender: badger@giggles.cavesofice.org To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Re: tuba looping on the Martian ice floes In-Reply-To: <46116134.5040509@mhorse.com> Message-ID: References: <46116134.5040509@mhorse.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69321 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2007 15:51:41 +0000 (UTC) On Mon, 2 Apr 2007, Daryl Shawn wrote: > Sounds like live looping the world's biggest pipe organ! Gorgeous tones. I > wish I could listen to it on something that could handle the frequencies > (though god knows what that would be). Thanks, Daryl! We're using Acoustic Image Contra and expansion cabinet to play through, and it seems to be doing ok for the sound. The recording doesn't reflect the AI, though, as it was a line-in recording and not from a mic'd amp. Tech note: for others who have an E-H POG, we used the following settings: In 50, Dry 50, Sub 100, +1 Octave 75, +1Oct Detuned 50, +2Oct 75, +2Oct Detuned 50, Filter 50. (50/75/100 being % for each value) The tuba, already a rich tone, became massive through this, especially with some analog delay. We're pleased with how the Ouroboros project is coming, thought I'd share with people on the list. > Subscape, indeed. Heh. Thank you. Now I want to explore the E-H POG with my Etherwave Pro theremin. > Daryl Shawn > www.swanwelder.com > www.chinapaintingmusic.com >> >> http://www.subscapeannex.com/tuba/martian_ice_floes.mp3 Steve B Subscape Annex http://www.subscapeannex.com/ Ouroboros http://www.subscapeannex.com/ouroboros From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 3 15:56:51 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CE9D33BF05; Tue, 3 Apr 2007 15:56:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <058501c77608$b06c4510$a6cbf40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <000901c77607$cfb2f910$1001a8c0@succubus> Subject: Re: Traveling to Frankfurt, Germany - May 21-24 - Anything Going On? - sorry for onlins treply Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2007 09:56:48 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69322 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2007 15:56:51 +0000 (UTC) Yup, I go it....I've been catching up after my trip to Chicago last week. I'll reply now! :) This whole Bayern/Germany thing has me confused.... Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2007 9:50 AM Subject: AW: Traveling to Frankfurt, Germany - May 21-24 - Anything Going On? - sorry for onlins treply >> I'll be traveling to Frankfurt on business May 21-24. Is there anything >> on > > Krispen, > > I wrote to you via private mail re: your comment on my myspace page - but > alas didn't get any reply...do I suffer from the "nobody reads me" > phenomenon again? > > Looking forward to your feedback via private mail, > > Rainer > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 3 16:04:44 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E0EC83BEE7; Tue, 3 Apr 2007 16:04:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=F45AO4D14Ef5jGoFDjTxUi2oZC5Dpx8piE7U9x/8H28A+xu1Gj0MhXYaUx25FPK0jn9zy0HJ2/2psCkB/ZKEwdvK4udNxIaq2ST3zNcxTWnriJQ22DsW3uBvvk3v4Cc1ohVqf/Yk9B5Ay4hlozYAZk+TcsAfiwY0N25erUGup/I= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=Dy3qVaBRV7eCtMvSBX6OrdGrgDjQ2lslwbA4dN5RuWTEXGgNgvhCmaFPyE3iCOqE4sxOlcagi3FwIjIYHlAz7MeKblnTBQMZ7z1I7MIbwC1T/VPA0rDJhNf0x9vRgHlHVHeI/+ImZlVG1GvEXxlHcmpaGLZbt8L69Gire/XcWKw= Message-ID: Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2007 12:04:42 -0400 From: "Tony K" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: New stuff In-Reply-To: <26ACD1BB-2179-4856-A906-A851D99A04FC@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_13543_30258413.1175616282752" References: <1011938815.1175269118732.JavaMail.root@fepweb13> <64b81a780703312212p39b3ac9fwfa58ec5e39ca5541@mail.gmail.com> <671C24B4-CDD8-4652-BF2F-B5DF36EA0486@gmail.com> <013101c77515$253c2490$e701a8c0@pcfabio> <046201c7752d$8aab78e0$a6cbf40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <006f01c7759f$1697de90$0200a8c0@daw1> <8C944152CCE1FA0-D80-A65@WEBMAIL-RD06.sysops.aol.com> <26ACD1BB-2179-4856-A906-A851D99A04FC@gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69323 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2007 16:04:44 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_13543_30258413.1175616282752 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline On 3 apr 2007, at 16.40, nemoguitt@aol.com wrote: > good stuff.....but the truth of the matter is this, i know no one, > friends, family etc. that would listen to this music..... True that. :) I often think the same thing, then I encounter some off the wall weird shit and I realize I'm not the only one who records things from Bizarro World. I've been listening to some Current 93, Coil, Sleepytime Gorilla Museum type stuff lately and that can be pretty strange. >Hey, Michael. I recognize Tony's musical attitude (with that piece) >as what some Swedish jazz musician use to call "SPR=C4CK". I don't now >how to call that genre in English, the Swedish word is absolutely >hilarious in Swedish, but it would translate into something like >"fuck shit up" or simply "explode". "SPR=C4CK" I like it! >when you listen to it. Sorry for the long and confused post, but what >I was trying to say is that there are some people that would listen >to that music ;-) I'm sure there are! No matter what, I'm always surprised when anybody appreciates what I do. Because some is pretty far out there. One of my friends always tells me that I need to adjust my medication after he hears these pieces. haha All said and done, however, I do it for myself and if other people like it, that's cool. If not, well, I'm not making a living off of it, I just do it for fun. With a piece like this, I had no real preconceived intent other than to do something sort of extreme with the Bitrman, I hit record, starte= d tweaking knobs and went with the flow. I do remember getting done and thinking "ok, that was pretty fucked up." :) Tony On 4/3/07, Per Boysen wrote: > > On 3 apr 2007, at 16.40, nemoguitt@aol.com wrote: > > good stuff.....but the truth of the matter is this, i know no one, > > friends, family etc. that would listen to this music..... > > Hey, Michael. I recognize Tony's musical attitude (with that piece) > as what some Swedish jazz musician use to call "SPR=C4CK". I don't now > how to call that genre in English, the Swedish word is absolutely > hilarious in Swedish, but it would translate into something like > "fuck shit up" or simply "explode". Usually this music is (or was) > played by "jazz musician" although the "real" jazz musicians (those > who know the Stan Getz catalog by heart) would not agree that these > "spr=E4ck" musicians has anything to do with jazz. Maybe the wildest > live recordings from Albert Ayler's band could qualify as SPR=C4CK? > Anyway, sometimes it sounds horrible and I can't stand it and > sometimes it sounds so extreme that I just love it. Still don't > understand exactly what makes the difference although it's obvious > when you listen to it. Sorry for the long and confused post, but what > I was trying to say is that there are some people that would listen > to that music ;-) > per > > > --=20 -=3D=3D-=3D-=3D- Tony ------=_Part_13543_30258413.1175616282752 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline On 3 apr 2007, at 16.40, nemoguitt@aol= .com wrote:
    > good stuff.....but the truth of the matter is this,= i know no one,
    > friends, family etc. that would listen to this musi= c.....

    True that. :) I often think the same thing, then I encounter some o= ff the wall weird shit and I realize I'm not the only one who records t= hings from Bizarro World.  I've been listening to some Current 93,= Coil, Sleepytime Gorilla Museum type stuff lately and that can be pretty s= trange.

    >Hey, Michael. I recognize Tony's musical attitude (with tha= t piece)
    >as what some Swedish jazz musician use to call "SPR=C4= CK". I don't now
    >how to call that genre in English, the Swe= dish word is absolutely
    >hilarious in Swedish, but it would translate into something like>"fuck shit up" or simply "explode".

    "= SPR=C4CK"  I like it!

    >when you listen to it. Sorry for= the long and confused post, but what
    >I was trying to say is that there are some people that would listen=
    >to that music ;-)

    I'm sure there are!  No matter wh= at, I'm always surprised when anybody appreciates what I do.  Beca= use some is pretty far out there.  One of my friends always tells me t= hat I need to adjust my medication after he hears these pieces. haha

    All said and done, however, I do it for myself and if other people = like it, that's cool.  If not, well, I'm not making a living o= ff of it, I just do it for fun.  With a piece like this, I had no real=   preconceived intent other than to do something sort of extreme with = the Bitrman, I hit record, started tweaking knobs and went with the flow. I= do remember getting done and thinking "ok, that was pretty fucked up.= "  :)

    Tony

    On 4/3/07, Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com> wrote:
    On 3 apr 2007, at 16.40, nemoguitt@aol= .com wrote:
    > good stuff.....but the truth of the matter is this,= i know no one,
    > friends, family etc. that would listen to this musi= c.....

    Hey, Michael. I recognize Tony's musical attitude (with that pi= ece)
    as what some Swedish jazz musician use to call "SPR=C4CK"= . I don't now
    how to call that genre in English, the Swedish word is= absolutely
    hilarious in Swedish, but it would translate into something like
    &qu= ot;fuck shit up" or simply "explode". Usually this music is = (or was)
    played by "jazz musician" although the "real&quo= t; jazz musicians (those
    who know the Stan Getz catalog by heart) would not agree that these
    = "spr=E4ck" musicians has anything to do with jazz. Maybe the wild= est
    live recordings from Albert Ayler's band could qualify as SPR=C4= CK?
    Anyway, sometimes it sounds horrible and I can't stand it and
    so= metimes it sounds so extreme that I just love it. Still don't
    unders= tand exactly what makes the difference although it's obvious
    when yo= u listen to it. Sorry for the long and confused post, but what
    I was trying to say is that there are some people that would listen
    = to that music ;-)
    per





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Best regards, Mr. PAUL SMITH From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 3 17:40:13 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A85C43BEFA; Tue, 3 Apr 2007 17:40:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2007 10:33:44 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: David Gans Subject: my new CD "Twisted Love Songs Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - vps.gdhour.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - trufun.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69326 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2007 17:40:13 +0000 (UTC) My new CD, "Twisted Love Songs," is now available at http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/dgans4 The loop pieces are: Cassidy's Cat-> San Rafael Swell Prophet and Loss On Frozen Pond Four Corners Surely You Jest Basin and Range Quarter to Five (For Tina Loney) The other tracks are just, you know, songs. -- David Gans - david@trufun.com or david@gdhour.com Truth and Fun, Inc., 484 Lake Park Ave. #102, Oakland CA 94610-2730 Blog: http://logblog.gdhour.com Web site: http://www.dgans.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 3 17:40:19 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 186DB3BF07; Tue, 3 Apr 2007 17:40:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2007 19:40:17 +0200 Message-Id: Subject: RE: unSUSSubcribe MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Sensitivity: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: "boops.secretvibes" To: "Loopers-Delight" X-XaM3-API-Version: 4.1 (B103) X-SenderIP: 127.0.0.1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69327 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2007 17:40:19 +0000 (UTC) yes.. > > Wow, SUSSubscribe. Do you get that with a long-press of Subscribe? > Is feedback operational? :-) > > Jeff > > =0A=0ACr=E9ez votre adresse =E9lectronique prenom.nom@laposte.net 1 Go d'espace de stockage, anti-spam et anti-virus int=E9gr=E9s. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 3 17:58:46 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2A7F53BF0B; Tue, 3 Apr 2007 17:58:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2007 19:58:44 +0200 Message-Id: Subject: Re: unsubscribe me too! PLEASE MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Sensitivity: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: "boops.secretvibes" To: "Loopers-Delight" X-XaM3-API-Version: 4.1 (B103) X-SenderIP: 127.0.0.1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69328 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2007 17:58:46 +0000 (UTC) i dont know how...?:(( > How do I unsubscribe. I'll resubscribe from my home computer, but this= is > too much for at work. > Thanks! > > > > on 4/3/07 9:03 AM, boops.secretvibes at boops.secretvibes@laposte.net w= rote: > > > unsubscibe: hi,i am tried third time to unsubscribe cause my box = is full > > of message,please help me to stop that!regards > > > > > > > > > >> This must be the funniest LD message subject in a long time! > >> > >> Personally, I don't think I would want a substitute for Michael Pete= rs. > >> > >> Rainer > >> > >> > > > > Cr=E9ez votre adresse =E9lectronique prenom.nom@laposte.net > > 1 Go d'espace de stockage, anti-spam et anti-virus int=E9gr=E9s. > > > > -- > > > =0A=0ACr=E9ez votre adresse =E9lectronique prenom.nom@laposte.net 1 Go d'espace de stockage, anti-spam et anti-virus int=E9gr=E9s. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 3 18:03:47 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 881033BEF5; Tue, 3 Apr 2007 18:03:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Ao8CACo0EkbUSnIN/2dsb2JhbACmOQ Message-ID: <4612970F.4030002@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2007 19:03:59 +0100 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: unSUSSubcribe References: <46125A9B.8000905@tiscali.co.uk> <002001c77605$7f8d01d0$0d0ba8c0@AMD01> In-Reply-To: <002001c77605$7f8d01d0$0d0ba8c0@AMD01> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69329 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2007 18:03:47 +0000 (UTC) Huh?? Now the Unsubscribers want their own bulletin board and podcast? What should it cover? Interviews with famous unsubscribers. "My email hell" Unsubscription related tunes and artwork. "Empower yourself by not following basic instructions." andy (with apologies to arcmotion, who meant nothing of sort) arcmotion wrote: > i know i am probably not the first to mention this but a buletin type > webpage with an associated podcast would be perfect for this subject. > While i know that its easy to say and i appreciate the efforts of the > people who make this all happen but i find myself snowed under by posts > and having to unsubscibe ...even tho i love the subject matter. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 3 18:04:11 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1A0063BF0D; Tue, 3 Apr 2007 18:04:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at cavesofice.org Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2007 14:01:43 -0400 (EDT) From: burnett@pobox.com X-X-Sender: badger@giggles.cavesofice.org To: Loopers-Delight Subject: Re: [LOOP] Re: unsubscribe me too! PLEASE In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69330 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2007 18:04:11 +0000 (UTC) On Tue, 3 Apr 2007, boops.secretvibes wrote: > i dont know how...?:(( > >> How do I unsubscribe. From http://www.loopers-delight.com/list/LoopList.html "To unsubscribe, send mail with the word "unsubscribe" in both the subject and body, and no sig files or anything else, to: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com If you are on the digest version of Looper's Delight, send your unsubscribe request to: Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com Don't send your unsubscribe message to the list, or people will make fun of you and you will feel like a dork." Steve B Subscape Annex http://www.subscapeannex.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 3 18:09:43 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5433D3BF02; Tue, 3 Apr 2007 18:09:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2007 20:09:41 +0200 Message-Id: Subject: Re: unSUSSubcribe MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Sensitivity: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: "boops.secretvibes" To: "Loopers-Delight" X-XaM3-API-Version: 4.1 (B103) X-SenderIP: 127.0.0.1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69331 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2007 18:09:43 +0000 (UTC) i'm trying five time...incredible.... > > > boops.secretvibes wrote: > > unsubscibe: hi,i am tried third time to unsubscribe cause my box = is full of message,please help me to stop that!regards > > > > it's no good asking us, you have to do it yourself > > http://www.loopers-delight.com/list/LoopList.html > > has an FAQ > > > > > > > > >> This must be the funniest LD message subject in a long time! > >> > >> Personally, I don't think I would want a substitute for Michael Pete= rs. > >> > >> Rainer > >> > >> > > > > Cr=E9ez votre adresse =E9lectronique prenom.nom@laposte.net > > 1 Go d'espace de stockage, anti-spam et anti-virus int=E9gr=E9s. > > > > > > =0A=0ACr=E9ez votre adresse =E9lectronique prenom.nom@laposte.net 1 Go d'espace de stockage, anti-spam et anti-virus int=E9gr=E9s. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 3 19:50:40 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0953C3BEE6; Tue, 3 Apr 2007 19:50:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <05eb01c77629$5853c490$a6cbf40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: CD Sales Now Donated to the Boise Experimental Music Festival Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2007 13:50:33 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_05E8_01C775F7.0CDA3F30" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69332 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2007 19:50:40 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_05E8_01C775F7.0CDA3F30 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello all - First of all, check out the performance line-up for the 2nd Annual Boise = Experimental Music Festival (BEMF). It's amazing how many loopers and = Loopers Delight members are performing: Rick Walker, Ted Killian, Jeff = Kaiser, Lumper-Splitter (Lucio Menegon and Joe Rut), Margaret Noble, and = more. http://www.boisemusicians.com/BEMF-2/ Second, last month I announced the release of the 2-CD set for the 1st = Annual Boise Experimental Music Festival, and I indicated that all = proceeds are going directly to support festival performer travel = expenses. I have decided to expand this to my entire discography.=20 Starting now, all of my CD sales will go to supporting musicians for the = current and future Boise Experimental Music Festivals (and I'm sure = there will be many more for years to come). I decided to this because = BEMF is my most valued music event of the year, and I don't really need = to sell CDs for my personal income. So I figured I would just devote = sales to better cause and community oriented event. =20 I have listed all the works in my discography below, with links to the = pages that provide more info, links to buy, and sample sound clips. =20 With 18 out-of-state performers playing at the event, and combined = travel expenses being in the range of $10,000, each CD sale can = potentially fund 1-3% of a performers travel expenses...not a lot, but = every bit counts. This may appear like an indirect form of shameless = self-promotion, but the reality is (and Rick Walker and you other = festival coordinators out there know this) that obtaining financial = support for these type of events is no easy task, if not completely = excruciating. No doubt, I will personally go in the hole again this = year, but my payback is the experience and the ability to meet and play = with so many wonderful musicians.=20 In finally, Tarey P. from Thee Art Of (http://www.theeartof.com/), who = is also doing all the video, photography, and background film for the = festival, is selling his new CD "NACHSTE OSTARA: Thee Art Of Music = Compilation II", at the event and donating proceeds to BEMF as well. = More info on that compilation here: http://www.theeartof.com/news.html Cheers, Kris 1st Annual Boise Experimental Music Festival CD Set (features Rick = Walker, Ted Killian, Lumper-Splitter, Jeff Kaiser, and many others) http://www.boisemusicians.com/experimental/cd.htm Fragments http://www.krispenhartung.com/fragments/index.htm Interstellar Delirium http://www.krispenhartung.com/interstellar/index.html Xperimentus http://www.krispenhartung.com/xperimentus/index.html Descent to Self http://www.krispenhartung.com/Descent/index.htm Places http://www.krispenhartung.com/cd.htm *************************************************************************= * Krispen Hartung www.krispenhartung.com / www.myspace.com/krispenhartung 1st Annual Boise Experimental Music Festival http://www.boisemusicians.com/experimental 2nd Annual Boise Experimental Music Festival http://www.boisemusicians.com/BEMF-2/ Discography - http://www.krispenhartung.com/catalogue.htm CD Baby Discography: http://cdbaby.com/all/khartung ------=_NextPart_000_05E8_01C775F7.0CDA3F30 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
    Hello all  -
     
    First of all, check out the performance = line-up for=20 the 2nd Annual Boise Experimental Music Festival = (BEMF). =20 It's amazing how many loopers and Loopers Delight members are = performing:=20 Rick Walker, Ted Killian, Jeff Kaiser, Lumper-Splitter (Lucio Menegon = and Joe=20 Rut), Margaret Noble, and more. http://www.boisemusicians.com/BEMF-2/
     
    Second, last month I announced the = release of the=20 2-CD set for the 1st Annual Boise Experimental Music Festival, and I = indicated=20 that all proceeds are going directly to support festival performer = travel=20 expenses.  I have decided to expand this to my entire discography.=20
     
    Starting now, all of my CD sales will = go to=20 supporting musicians for the current and future Boise Experimental Music = Festivals (and I'm sure there will be many more for years to come). I = decided to=20 this because BEMF is my most valued music event of the year, and I don't = really=20 need to sell CDs for my personal income. So I figured I would just = devote sales=20 to better cause and community oriented event. 
     
    I have listed all the works in = my=20 discography below, with links to the pages that provide more info, links = to buy,=20 and sample sound clips. 
     
    With 18 out-of-state performers playing = at the=20 event, and combined travel expenses being in the range = of $10,000,=20 each CD sale can potentially fund 1-3% of a performers travel=20 expenses...not a lot, but every bit counts.  This may appear like = an=20 indirect form of shameless self-promotion, but the reality is (and Rick = Walker=20 and you other festival coordinators out there know this) that obtaining=20 financial support for these type of events is no easy task, if=20 not completely excruciating.  No doubt, I will personally go = in the=20 hole again this year, but my payback is the experience and the = ability to=20 meet and play with so many wonderful musicians. 
     
    In finally, Tarey P. from Thee Art Of = (http://www.theeartof.com/), who = is also=20 doing all the video, photography, and background film for the festival, = is=20 selling his new CD "NACHSTE OSTARA: = Thee Art Of Music=20 Compilation II", at the event and donating proceeds to BEMF as well. = More info=20 on that compilation here: http://www.theeartof.com/news.html
    <= /FONT>
    Cheers,
     
    Kris
     
    1st Annual Boise Experimental = Music=20 Festival CD Set (features Rick Walker, Ted Killian, = Lumper-Splitter,=20 Jeff Kaiser, and many others)
    http://www.boi= semusicians.com/experimental/cd.htm
     
    Fragments
    http://www.kri= spenhartung.com/fragments/index.htm
     
    Interstellar = Delirium
    http://www= .krispenhartung.com/interstellar/index.html
     
    Xperimentus
    http://www.= krispenhartung.com/xperimentus/index.html
     
    Descent to = Self
    http://www.krisp= enhartung.com/Descent/index.htm
     
    Places
    http://www.krispenhartung.c= om/cd.htm
     
     
    ****************************************************************= **********
    Krispen=20 Hartung
    www.krispenhartung.com /=20 www.myspace.com/krispenhar= tung
    1st=20 Annual Boise Experimental Music Festival
    http://www.boisemusic= ians.com/experimental
    2nd Annual Boise Experimental Music=20 Festival
    http://www.boisemusicians.= com/BEMF-2/
    Discography - http://www.krispenha= rtung.com/catalogue.htm
    CD=20 Baby Discography: http://cdbaby.com/all/khartung=20
    ------=_NextPart_000_05E8_01C775F7.0CDA3F30-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 3 20:10:06 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 805603BEF1; Tue, 3 Apr 2007 20:10:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: AW: CD Sales Now Donated to the Boise Experimental Music Festival Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2007 22:10:19 +0200 Organization: Moinlabs Message-ID: <000401c7762c$1a3ea460$1001a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <05eb01c77629$5853c490$a6cbf40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Thread-Index: Acd2KVvYrOICZZecQ8KjgMtxEdj3+gAAqWvQ X-RZG-AUTH: lUESeo99iNzPL8kuBgLYdKEqUywq9cxqeRA+BtFcSCD10+29g0ZLo+6A2oA= X-RZG-CLASS-ID: mo07 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69333 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2007 20:10:06 +0000 (UTC) Gee Krispen, an impressive lineup. But you're still lacking the international touch ;) Rainer ________________________________ Von: Krispen Hartung [mailto:khartung@cableone.net] Gesendet: Dienstag, 3. April 2007 21:51 An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Betreff: CD Sales Now Donated to the Boise Experimental Music Festival Hello all - First of all, check out the performance line-up for the 2nd Annual Boise Experimental Music Festival (BEMF). It's amazing how many loopers and Loopers Delight members are performing: Rick Walker, Ted Killian, Jeff Kaiser, Lumper-Splitter (Lucio Menegon and Joe Rut), Margaret Noble, and more. http://www.boisemusicians.com/BEMF-2/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 3 20:17:10 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D2C5E3BEEE; Tue, 3 Apr 2007 20:17:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <05fd01c7762d$0e4f9190$a6cbf40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <000401c7762c$1a3ea460$1001a8c0@succubus> Subject: Re: CD Sales Now Donated to the Boise Experimental Music Festival Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2007 14:17:07 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69334 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2007 20:17:10 +0000 (UTC) I know, I know...I tried but just didn't get any takers. I really wanted at least one international player, but no one expressed any interest. I know it is very costly to fly to the states, so that is the primary issue I'll need to work through for BEMF-3. Next year, I'll open my home to any international traveler. And I plan on saving money for next year's festival throughout the whole year, so I will probably be able to pay for one international ticket. Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2007 2:10 PM Subject: AW: CD Sales Now Donated to the Boise Experimental Music Festival > Gee Krispen, an impressive lineup. But you're still lacking the > international touch ;) > > Rainer > > > ________________________________ > > Von: Krispen Hartung [mailto:khartung@cableone.net] > Gesendet: Dienstag, 3. April 2007 21:51 > An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Betreff: CD Sales Now Donated to the Boise Experimental Music > Festival > > > Hello all - > > First of all, check out the performance line-up for the 2nd Annual > Boise Experimental Music Festival (BEMF). It's amazing how many loopers > and > Loopers Delight members are performing: Rick Walker, Ted Killian, Jeff > Kaiser, Lumper-Splitter (Lucio Menegon and Joe Rut), Margaret Noble, and > more. http://www.boisemusicians.com/BEMF-2/ > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 3 20:27:48 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 582043BEF4; Tue, 3 Apr 2007 20:27:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <433478625.1175632063474.JavaMail.root@fepweb09> Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2007 13:27:43 -0700 From: =?utf-8?Q?tEd_=C2=AE_kiLLiAn?= To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: CD Sales Now Donated to the Boise Experimental Music Festival Cc: Krispen Hartung MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Sensitivity: Normal X-Originating-IP: from 66.169.252.252 by mail.charter.net; Tue, 3 Apr 2007 16:27:43 -0400 X-Chzlrs: 0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69335 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2007 20:27:48 +0000 (UTC) Kris, That's great and most generous of you. And, might I add for the benefit of = all of the rest of you folks on the list . . . Kris's CDs (whether they be of his solo music, his varied collaborations, o= r last year's BEMF festival) are very high-quality recordings of with super= ior musicians and ultra-creative musicianship all around (perhaps with the = exception of my own meager and misguided contributions).=20 I can highly reccomend all of those disks. I've got every one of 'em. Take = the time to check out Kris' links, listen to whatever samples there might b= e and buy something. You'll be supporting a great event (and ensuring it's = continuing existance) and getting some truly inspiring tracks to listen to = in return. -- tEd =C2=AE kiLLiAn "Different is not always better, but better is always different" Flux Aeterna: http://phobos.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewAlbum?p= layListId=3D6378076=20 http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073 http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314 http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193 http://www.loopers-delight.com/cgi-bin/profiles.cgi?step=3Dview_profile&id= =3D121197000042 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, and Viztas. 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    From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 4 02:37:23 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9F8C93BEF0; Wed, 4 Apr 2007 02:37:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: How to Unsubscribe--by a famous looper Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2007 19:37:15 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 In-Reply-To: Thread-Index: Acd2GnxNv3rwik1pRT63MbvR1y2cswAR5diQ X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Message-Id: <20070404023721.LFUJ1606.fed1rmmtao104.cox.net@fed1rmimpo02.cox.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69336 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2007 02:37:23 +0000 (UTC) >From the original text by Claude Voit DO NOT REPLY TO THIS MESSAGE OR YOUR COMPUTER WILL SHOW YOU VERY UNPOLITE MESSAGES FROM ALL AROUND THE WORLD 1- go to your browser preferences and set you Email client to send plain text (NO HTML) with No signature file 2- click next line link mailto:Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com 3- delete your signature, etc... make your message blank 4- double click (highlight) the sacred word on next line SACRED WORD--> unsubscribe <--SACRED WORD then copy (ctrl+C) 5- place cursor in Subject of the message Paste (ctrl+V) 6- place cursor in Body of the message Paste (ctrl+V) 7- click send Bye bye Claude From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 4 20:37:28 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B8A623BEF1; Wed, 4 Apr 2007 20:37:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=ZC0FEEQ2kDuPFebW2H0ZJRRZCGfPVduXjXe9sXxYSRpnzhQnls0GsrGbaqsF4SyW7Uns8WSbidMN+RFqvxFCIZpZknxbSQ94ZTCd6bfu606QJHRDPIfMsZlUMVlKsEYU5ItguwkyNbmdYI4TaDeBtOoWeZcm/J+vt5qSzT+y2tU=; X-YMail-OSG: KGGTL1wVM1mTmUwwuDfPvMYtgmAJTNNyJKEDD4QyX.kgARqlkR9qpOSE62XsPERp8ulzEyXPnOpnRPHDnAsPECc2z9pAStGZE6KcaMmVA5z8Xc_DwBtvp0n9XwIuAQ-- Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2007 13:37:26 -0700 (PDT) From: Paul Richards Subject: OT: Gear Question Mackie C200 Passive Speakers To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-2136515479-1175719046=:82166" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <289423.82166.qm@web35109.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69337 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2007 20:37:28 +0000 (UTC) --0-2136515479-1175719046=:82166 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi, all: Is anyone using the Mackie passive C200's? I'm looking around to get a pair of speakers to use with my looping rig at home. Currently I'm running the output through a mackie Onyx mixer, an Alesis amp and a pair of Event Audio studio monitors. The sound is fine for monitoring but for looping, I don' know... I 'used' to run through a pair of EV speakers and they kicked ass. I'm disappointed at the sound of the Events for live looping (studio looping that is). Any comments will be greatly appreciated. Paul --------------------------------- Don't be flakey. Get Yahoo! Mail for Mobile and always stay connected to friends. --0-2136515479-1175719046=:82166 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
    Hi, all:
     
    Is anyone using the Mackie passive C200's? I'm looking around to get a pair of speakers to use with my looping rig at home. Currently I'm running the output through a mackie Onyx mixer, an Alesis amp and a pair of Event Audio studio monitors. The sound is fine for monitoring but for looping, I don' know... I 'used' to run through a pair of EV speakers and they kicked ass. I'm disappointed at the sound of the Events for live looping (studio looping that is).
     
    Any comments will be greatly appreciated.
     
    Paul

    Don't be flakey. Get Yahoo! Mail for Mobile and
    always stay connected to friends. --0-2136515479-1175719046=:82166-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 4 22:43:22 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 102723BEF8; Wed, 4 Apr 2007 22:43:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <088501c7770a$a17b9e40$a6cbf40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <05eb01c77629$5853c490$a6cbf40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Subject: Re: CD Sales Now Donated to the Boise Experimental Music Festival Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2007 16:43:07 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_087C_01C776D8.52D08800" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69338 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2007 22:43:22 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_087C_01C776D8.52D08800 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable FYI - Lucio Menegon has just graciously donated his CD sales between now = and April 26, to BEMF as well. Thanks Lucio!!! More at the website: = http://www.boisemusicians.com/BEMF-2/ AND his site, = http://www.kingtone.com/merch.html Kris ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Krispen Hartung=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2007 1:50 PM Subject: CD Sales Now Donated to the Boise Experimental Music Festival Hello all - First of all, check out the performance line-up for the 2nd Annual = Boise Experimental Music Festival (BEMF). It's amazing how many loopers = and Loopers Delight members are performing: Rick Walker, Ted Killian, = Jeff Kaiser, Lumper-Splitter (Lucio Menegon and Joe Rut), Margaret = Noble, and more. http://www.boisemusicians.com/BEMF-2/ Second, last month I announced the release of the 2-CD set for the 1st = Annual Boise Experimental Music Festival, and I indicated that all = proceeds are going directly to support festival performer travel = expenses. I have decided to expand this to my entire discography.=20 Starting now, all of my CD sales will go to supporting musicians for = the current and future Boise Experimental Music Festivals (and I'm sure = there will be many more for years to come). I decided to this because = BEMF is my most valued music event of the year, and I don't really need = to sell CDs for my personal income. So I figured I would just devote = sales to better cause and community oriented event. =20 I have listed all the works in my discography below, with links to the = pages that provide more info, links to buy, and sample sound clips. =20 With 18 out-of-state performers playing at the event, and combined = travel expenses being in the range of $10,000, each CD sale can = potentially fund 1-3% of a performers travel expenses...not a lot, but = every bit counts. This may appear like an indirect form of shameless = self-promotion, but the reality is (and Rick Walker and you other = festival coordinators out there know this) that obtaining financial = support for these type of events is no easy task, if not completely = excruciating. No doubt, I will personally go in the hole again this = year, but my payback is the experience and the ability to meet and play = with so many wonderful musicians.=20 In finally, Tarey P. from Thee Art Of (http://www.theeartof.com/), who = is also doing all the video, photography, and background film for the = festival, is selling his new CD "NACHSTE OSTARA: Thee Art Of Music = Compilation II", at the event and donating proceeds to BEMF as well. = More info on that compilation here: http://www.theeartof.com/news.html Cheers, Kris 1st Annual Boise Experimental Music Festival CD Set (features Rick = Walker, Ted Killian, Lumper-Splitter, Jeff Kaiser, and many others) http://www.boisemusicians.com/experimental/cd.htm Fragments http://www.krispenhartung.com/fragments/index.htm Interstellar Delirium http://www.krispenhartung.com/interstellar/index.html Xperimentus http://www.krispenhartung.com/xperimentus/index.html Descent to Self http://www.krispenhartung.com/Descent/index.htm Places http://www.krispenhartung.com/cd.htm = *************************************************************************= * Krispen Hartung www.krispenhartung.com / www.myspace.com/krispenhartung 1st Annual Boise Experimental Music Festival http://www.boisemusicians.com/experimental 2nd Annual Boise Experimental Music Festival http://www.boisemusicians.com/BEMF-2/ Discography - http://www.krispenhartung.com/catalogue.htm CD Baby Discography: http://cdbaby.com/all/khartung ------=_NextPart_000_087C_01C776D8.52D08800 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
    FYI - Lucio Menegon has just graciously = donated his=20 CD sales between now and April 26, to BEMF as well.   Thanks=20 Lucio!!!   More at the website: http://www.boisemusicians.= com/BEMF-2/ =20 AND his site, http://www.kingtone.com/merch= .html
     
    Kris
     
    ----- Original Message -----
    From:=20 Krispen=20 Hartung
    To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
    Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2007 = 1:50=20 PM
    Subject: CD Sales Now Donated = to the=20 Boise Experimental Music Festival

    Hello all  -
     
    First of all, check out the = performance line-up=20 for the 2nd Annual Boise Experimental Music Festival=20 (BEMF).  It's amazing how many loopers and Loopers = Delight=20 members are performing: Rick Walker, Ted Killian, Jeff Kaiser,=20 Lumper-Splitter (Lucio Menegon and Joe Rut), Margaret Noble, and more. = http://www.boisemusicians.com/BEMF-2/
     
    Second, last month I announced the = release of the=20 2-CD set for the 1st Annual Boise Experimental Music Festival, and I = indicated=20 that all proceeds are going directly to support festival performer = travel=20 expenses.  I have decided to expand this to my entire = discography.=20
     
    Starting now, all of my CD sales will = go to=20 supporting musicians for the current and future Boise Experimental = Music=20 Festivals (and I'm sure there will be many more for years to come). I = decided=20 to this because BEMF is my most valued music event of the year, and I = don't=20 really need to sell CDs for my personal income. So I figured I would = just=20 devote sales to better cause and community oriented event.  =
     
    I have listed all the works = in my=20 discography below, with links to the pages that provide more info, = links to=20 buy, and sample sound clips. 
     
    With 18 out-of-state performers = playing at the=20 event, and combined travel expenses being in the range = of $10,000,=20 each CD sale can potentially fund 1-3% of a performers = travel=20 expenses...not a lot, but every bit counts.  This may appear like = an=20 indirect form of shameless self-promotion, but the reality is (and = Rick Walker=20 and you other festival coordinators out there know this) that = obtaining=20 financial support for these type of events is no easy task, if=20 not completely excruciating.  No doubt, I will personally go = in the=20 hole again this year, but my payback is the experience and the = ability to=20 meet and play with so many wonderful = musicians. 
     
    In finally, Tarey P. from Thee Art Of = (http://www.theeartof.com/), who = is also=20 doing all the video, photography, and background film for the = festival, is=20 selling his new CD "NACHSTE OSTARA: = Thee Art Of=20 Music Compilation II", at the event and donating proceeds to BEMF as = well.=20 More info on that compilation here: http://www.theeartof.com/news.html
    <= /FONT>
    Cheers,
     
    Kris
     
    1st Annual Boise Experimental = Music=20 Festival CD Set (features Rick Walker, Ted Killian, = Lumper-Splitter,=20 Jeff Kaiser, and many others)
    http://www.boi= semusicians.com/experimental/cd.htm
     
    Fragments
    http://www.kri= spenhartung.com/fragments/index.htm
     
    Interstellar=20 Delirium
    http://www= .krispenhartung.com/interstellar/index.html
     
    Xperimentus
    http://www.= krispenhartung.com/xperimentus/index.html
     
    Descent to = Self
    http://www.krisp= enhartung.com/Descent/index.htm
     
    Places
    http://www.krispenhartung.c= om/cd.htm
     
     
    ****************************************************************= **********
    Krispen=20 Hartung
    www.krispenhartung.com=20 / www.myspace.com/krispenhar= tung
    1st=20 Annual Boise Experimental Music Festival
    http://www.boisemusic= ians.com/experimental
    2nd Annual Boise Experimental Music=20 Festival
    http://www.boisemusicians.= com/BEMF-2/
    Discography - http://www.krispenha= rtung.com/catalogue.htm
    CD=20 Baby Discography: http://cdbaby.com/all/khartung=20
    ------=_NextPart_000_087C_01C776D8.52D08800-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 5 00:09:00 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 979FF3BEF4; Thu, 5 Apr 2007 00:09:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=qtnjvXAkaEYqKcv4wZBPJUojNDkWVodRYgVYmt+fuji0HHAzoMegpt38MnrbcU5IqWNlCnXRmaDVb8XLntcoIiorX6jMWpOFaCbFr3cjjxvx/G9TyKHrOcQ+rODJi+YXuHO+ef72+uXMt7MVHwtMqwOz6lz+nnHWUmylhjPYEoM=; X-YMail-OSG: zy9to24VM1mkniFDhGZOkUYpVr3jzRVHkM82mTj5oNm2M9vlFJqyNGeyD2F2V36Sd8vsD18vT6z5R5Q6fZq6jFUhuLqp9sM0LPHobNeN6aCQoKCYR.GdW4Pt5ItKnw-- Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2007 17:08:58 -0700 (PDT) From: taittinger91 Subject: EDP woes To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-465990607-1175731738=:60867" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <449547.60867.qm@web38712.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69339 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2007 00:09:00 +0000 (UTC) --0-465990607-1175731738=:60867 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I purchased an EDP in December. It's manifested a number of problems (of course after the return period was over), the latest and most serious being that sometimes when I move the feedback knob while a loop is playing back the display goes crazy (flickering, broken) and the loop stops playing. When this happens I can't reboot it immediately (it just scrolls "loop 4" endlessly) or reset it using the parameter button (it shows a weird display,,,something like "t 360 26". If turn it off let it sit for half an hour or so, it then usually boots up correctly and works. I should note that I'm always careful to hook everything up to the EDP and power it up last. I am totally frustrated and freaking out slightly because I have a bunch of gigs in a week or so and I've become really dependent on the EDP's capabilities. I've lost all faith in its reliability, however. Does anyone have any suggestions before I give up and either take it to a repair place or throw it out a window and return to my Boss RC-20? Thank you all so much in advance. --------------------------------- Expecting? Get great news right away with email Auto-Check. Try the Yahoo! Mail Beta. --0-465990607-1175731738=:60867 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
    I purchased an EDP in December. It's manifested a number of problems (of
    course after the return period was over), the latest and most serious
    being that sometimes when I move the feedback knob while a loop is playing back
    the display goes crazy (flickering, broken) and the loop stops playing.
    When this happens I can't reboot it immediately (it just scrolls "loop 4" endlessly) or reset it using the parameter button (it shows a weird display,,,something like "t 360 26". If turn it off let it sit for half an hour or so, it then usually boots up correctly and works. I should note that I'm always careful to hook everything up to the EDP and power it up last.
    I am totally frustrated and freaking out slightly because I have a bunch of gigs in a week or so and I've become really dependent on the EDP's capabilities. I've lost all faith in its reliability, however. Does anyone have any suggestions before I give up and either take it to a repair place or throw it out a window and return to my Boss RC-20?
    Thank you all so much in advance.

    Expecting? Get great news right away with email Auto-Check.
    Try the Yahoo! Mail Beta. --0-465990607-1175731738=:60867-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 5 08:54:31 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AA1FE3BEFA; Thu, 5 Apr 2007 08:54:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4614B942.6030901@addcom.de> Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2007 10:54:26 +0200 From: Stefan Tiedje User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.10 (Macintosh/20070221) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: USB Volume Pedal? References: <1BB076E4C332F9469148F41725F17A7202135FC4@MTVNE-EXCLUST02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> In-Reply-To: <1BB076E4C332F9469148F41725F17A7202135FC4@MTVNE-EXCLUST02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69340 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2007 08:54:31 +0000 (UTC) Goddard, Duncan schrieb: > now, what I want is a little box with audio in & out on 1/4" jacks, & > a midi in & through, & a CC-controlled VCA in there, so that I can > control the volume of a standard rock instrument (like a guitar, > bass, hammond, mellotron, whatever) using midi CC from a sequencer. I know I am late on that (had been behind of reading for a month...), but we still have some Niche automation flying around here. Originally used for hocking them up to the inserts of a mixer for mixer automation. They deliver 8 channels of audio in 1U and are controlled by Midi. As the studio doesn't use them anymore, I am sure I can encourage my boss to sell them (there are two of them....) Stefan -- Stefan Tiedje------------x------- --_____-----------|-------------- --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()------- -- _|_)----|-----()-------------- ----------()--------www.ccmix.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 5 09:07:00 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 030913BEFE; Thu, 5 Apr 2007 09:07:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <00e901c77761$c0e7fab0$e701a8c0@pcfabio> Reply-To: "e t e r o g e n e o" From: "e t e r o g e n e o" To: References: <04f601c74fde$1ca11040$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Subject: Re: ARTIST SUBMISSION Y2K7 LIVE LOOPING FESTIVAL, Santa Cruz, California OCT 19-21, 2007 Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2007 11:06:52 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Spam-Rating: smtp4.aruba.it 1.6.2 0/1000/N Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69341 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2007 09:07:00 +0000 (UTC) Dear Rick, i'm writing this to let you know that this morning i have sent you the requested CDs for the Y2K7. Please let me know when you'll get them. Grazie fabio www.eterogeneo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 5 10:06:35 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 49A8F3BEFE; Thu, 5 Apr 2007 10:06:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4614CA24.9040808@addcom.de> Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2007 12:06:28 +0200 From: Stefan Tiedje User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.10 (Macintosh/20070221) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Roland announce RE-20 'space echo' References: <351045.82967.qm@web38604.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <460C02AF.8000407@rhein-zeitung.de> In-Reply-To: <460C02AF.8000407@rhein-zeitung.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69342 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2007 10:06:35 +0000 (UTC) Dirk Wilbert schrieb: > Hi - I played the RE-20 today at the Musikmesse in Frankfurt. Very nice > effect, kind of warm and "vintage" sound - but I don't know how the > original sounds - so I can't compare... I just found an original RE-201 on the street in front of my flat. The tape is missing, but I guess I can throw in some 1/4 inch... Its heavy, and I am sure, beside just trying it, I won't use it. But I looked at ebay and there seems to be quite an interest in those kind of gear. Anybody interested? I have to check if it works at all, but the pots "feel" very solid and fine at least... I guess it was sitting in a cave for some years, but beside some dust it looks fine... Stefan -- Stefan Tiedje------------x------- --_____-----------|-------------- --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()------- -- _|_)----|-----()-------------- ----------()--------www.ccmix.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 5 10:13:36 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 135593BEFB; Thu, 5 Apr 2007 10:13:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: PCISURFER@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2007 06:13:29 EDT Subject: Please take me off To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-----------------------------1175768009" X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5361 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69343 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2007 10:13:36 +0000 (UTC) -------------------------------1175768009 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Please take me off your list since all I get is email transactions. 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    -------------------------------1175768009-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 5 11:57:51 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BEB453BF05; Thu, 5 Apr 2007 11:57:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <017c01c77779$a00eef70$e701a8c0@pcfabio> Reply-To: "e t e r o g e n e o" From: "e t e r o g e n e o" To: Subject: Looper's delight podcast on line (11 episodes) Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2007 13:57:45 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0179_01C7778A.634B7430" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Spam-Rating: smtp4.aruba.it 1.6.2 0/1000/N Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69344 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2007 11:57:51 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0179_01C7778A.634B7430 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi people,=20 by now, i've uploaded 11 episodes in the LD podcast. More will come in the next days. You just have to copy this link in your pod-player or in i-tunes http://www.eterogeneo.com/live_looping/live_looping.xml Please, let me know if it works and if you have raccomandations or = ideas. Thanks to all. fabio www.eterogeneo.com ------=_NextPart_000_0179_01C7778A.634B7430 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
    Hi people, =
    by now, i've uploaded = 11 episodes=20 in the LD podcast.
    More will come in the = next=20 days.
    You just have to copy = this link in=20 your pod-player or in i-tunes
    http://w= ww.eterogeneo.com/live_looping/live_looping.xml
     
    Please, let me know if = it works and=20 if you have raccomandations or ideas.
    Thanks to = all.
     
    fabio
    www.eterogeneo.com
     
    ------=_NextPart_000_0179_01C7778A.634B7430-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 5 16:23:24 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B49613BEF4; Thu, 5 Apr 2007 16:23:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com In-Reply-To: <4614CA24.9040808@addcom.de> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Roland announce RE-20 'space echo' MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Lotus Notes 652HF83 November 04, 2004 From: Larry C Tremblay X-MIMETrack: S/MIME Sign by Notes Client on Larry C Tremblay/GTS/CSC(652HF83|November 04, 2004) at 04/05/2007 12:23:16 PM, Serialize by Notes Client on Larry C Tremblay/GTS/CSC(652HF83|November 04, 2004) at 04/05/2007 12:23:16 PM, Serialize complete at 04/05/2007 12:23:16 PM, S/MIME Sign failed at 04/05/2007 12:23:16 PM: The cryptographic key was not found, Serialize by Router on AMER-GW09/SRV/CSC(Release 7.0.2FP1 HF16|January 29, 2007) at 04/05/2007 12:22:08 PM, Serialize complete at 04/05/2007 12:22:08 PM Message-ID: Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2007 12:23:16 -0400 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=_alternative 005A0577852572B4_=" Resent-Message-ID: <-wE6_C.A.11H.7JSFGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69345 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2007 16:23:24 +0000 (UTC) This is a multipart message in MIME format. --=_alternative 005A0577852572B4_= Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Have you tried to plug it in? Maybe the power supply is dead. - Larry Stefan Tiedje 04/05/2007 06:06 AM Please respond to Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com To Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com cc Subject Re: Roland announce RE-20 'space echo' Dirk Wilbert schrieb: > Hi - I played the RE-20 today at the Musikmesse in Frankfurt. Very nice > effect, kind of warm and "vintage" sound - but I don't know how the > original sounds - so I can't compare... I just found an original RE-201 on the street in front of my flat. The tape is missing, but I guess I can throw in some 1/4 inch... Its heavy, and I am sure, beside just trying it, I won't use it. But I looked at ebay and there seems to be quite an interest in those kind of gear. Anybody interested? I have to check if it works at all, but the pots "feel" very solid and fine at least... I guess it was sitting in a cave for some years, but beside some dust it looks fine... Stefan -- Stefan Tiedje------------x------- --_____-----------|-------------- --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()------- -- _|_)----|-----()-------------- ----------()--------www.ccmix.com --=_alternative 005A0577852572B4_= Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII"
    Have you tried to plug it in? Maybe the power supply is dead.

    - Larry



    Stefan Tiedje <Stefan-Tiedje@addcom.de>

    04/05/2007 06:06 AM
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    Dirk Wilbert schrieb:
    > Hi - I played the RE-20 today at the Musikmesse in Frankfurt. Very nice
    > effect, kind of warm and "vintage" sound - but I don't know how the
    > original sounds - so I can't compare...

    I just found an original RE-201 on the street in front of my flat. The
    tape is missing, but I guess I can throw in some 1/4 inch...
    Its heavy, and I am sure, beside just trying it, I won't use it. But I
    looked at ebay and there seems to be quite an interest in those kind of
     gear.

    Anybody interested? I have to check if it works at all, but the pots
    "feel" very solid and fine at least...

    I guess it was sitting in a cave for some years, but beside some dust it
    looks fine...

    Stefan

    --
    Stefan Tiedje------------x-------
    --_____-----------|--------------
    --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()-------
    -- _|_)----|-----()--------------
    ----------()--------www.ccmix.com
    --=_alternative 005A0577852572B4_=-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 5 17:01:48 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 12D363BEF0; Thu, 5 Apr 2007 17:01:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=jME2fvDgcXzHixV13n0uzqKx0kM0C2G4Td/qCoVGsx1OzbQlZHr+N2ZOvli558EFxCxZtz5USCoDMYyC20odMtYNdSprPKlSPsjV4kLDeZf614Fhs20KWlb0fziKUWgcoiDmpFZM9i+xjwGqtnAVMQ8uYtGEgIs2KPI3jh++DEs= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=t2gRdaq2Msi7c4qhJVh11yC9Na4cGb1JUWnYP40NmbqR92oOfAGVfScT7aWy4JAFgrK5wOW36quy0IK255JyTzWp2bNkUqroowDwCgcSewTjnPOqDv315SM3dWwgT+gzxUr1QPbH1g6sv7zoXl8OI4l9g3UFZcBkXoIadOI02x8= Message-ID: <60d70c8d0704051001t54283109uc8892df29cf0951e@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2007 11:01:44 -0600 From: "francisco prado" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: EDP woes In-Reply-To: <449547.60867.qm@web38712.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_64569_8760072.1175792504359" References: <449547.60867.qm@web38712.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: <5WJnL.A.WvB.7tSFGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69346 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2007 17:01:48 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_64569_8760072.1175792504359 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline I guess I would suggest making sure the PROMs are seated correctly. It seems like it could be running bad code. F On 4/4/07, taittinger91 wrote: > > I purchased an EDP in December. It's manifested a number of problems (of > course after the return period was over), the latest and most serious > being that sometimes when I move the feedback knob while a loop is playing > back > the display goes crazy (flickering, broken) and the loop stops playing. > When this happens I can't reboot it immediately (it just scrolls "loop 4" > endlessly) or reset it using the parameter button (it shows a weird > display,,,something like "t 360 26". If turn it off let it sit for half > an hour or so, it then usually boots up correctly and works. I should note > that I'm always careful to hook everything up to the EDP and power it up > last. > I am totally frustrated and freaking out slightly because I have a bunch > of gigs in a week or so and I've become really dependent on the EDP's > capabilities. I've lost all faith in its reliability, however. Does anyone > have any suggestions before I give up and either take it to a repair place > or throw it out a window and return to my Boss RC-20? > Thank you all so much in advance. > > ------------------------------ > Expecting? Get great news right away with email Auto-Check. > Try the Yahoo! Mail Beta. > > ------=_Part_64569_8760072.1175792504359 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline I guess I would suggest making sure the PROMs are seated correctly.  It seems like it could be running bad code.


    F


    On 4/4/07, taittinger91 <taittinger91@yahoo.com> wrote:
    I purchased an EDP in December. It's manifested a number of problems (of
    course after the return period was over), the latest and most serious
    being that sometimes when I move the feedback knob while a loop is playing back
    the display goes crazy (flickering, broken) and the loop stops playing.
    When this happens I can't reboot it immediately (it just scrolls "loop 4" endlessly) or reset it using the parameter button (it shows a weird display,,,something like "t 360 26". If turn it off let it sit for half an hour or so, it then usually boots up correctly and works. I should note that I'm always careful to hook everything up to the EDP and power it up last.
    I am totally frustrated and freaking out slightly because I have a bunch of gigs in a week or so and I've become really dependent on the EDP's capabilities. I've lost all faith in its reliability, however. Does anyone have any suggestions before I give up and either take it to a repair place or throw it out a window and return to my Boss RC-20?
    Thank you all so much in advance.

    Expecting? Get great news right away with email Auto-Check.
    Try the Yahoo! Mail Beta.


    ------=_Part_64569_8760072.1175792504359-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 5 17:23:29 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8BAFC3BEF8; Thu, 5 Apr 2007 17:23:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-SBRS: None X-SenderGroup: RELAYLIST X-MailFlowPolicy: $RELAYED X-MID: 487978259 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: USB Volume Pedal? Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2007 18:23:26 +0100 Message-ID: <1BB076E4C332F9469148F41725F17A72021360BC@MTVNE-EXCLUST02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: USB Volume Pedal? Thread-Index: Acd3px7I26gLRFeQRE+CWsGwgpfSZQ== From: "Goddard, Duncan" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Apr 2007 17:23:26.0252 (UTC) FILETIME=[1EC06EC0:01C777A7] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69347 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2007 17:23:29 +0000 (UTC) stefan- thanks for even looking into this. it amazes me that there isn't = anything like this on the general market, & I would be very interested = if the units became available.=20 duncan. -----Original Message----- From: Stefan Tiedje [mailto:Stefan-Tiedje@addcom.de] Sent: 05 April 2007 09:54 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: USB Volume Pedal? Goddard, Duncan schrieb: > now, what I want is a little box with audio in & out on 1/4" jacks, & > a midi in & through, & a CC-controlled VCA in there, so that I can > control the volume of a standard rock instrument (like a guitar, > bass, hammond, mellotron, whatever) using midi CC from a sequencer.=20 I know I am late on that (had been behind of reading for a month...),=20 but we still have some Niche automation flying around here. Originally=20 used for hocking them up to the inserts of a mixer for mixer automation. = They deliver 8 channels of audio in 1U and are controlled by Midi. As the studio doesn't use them anymore, I am sure I can encourage my=20 boss to sell them (there are two of them....) Stefan --=20 Stefan Tiedje------------x------- --_____-----------|-------------- --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()------- -- _|_)----|-----()-------------- ----------()--------www.ccmix.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 5 17:24:45 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id ACB373BEF8; Thu, 5 Apr 2007 17:24:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-SBRS: None X-SenderGroup: RELAYLIST X-MailFlowPolicy: $RELAYED X-MID: 558901745 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: Roland announce RE-20 'space echo' Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2007 18:24:43 +0100 Message-ID: <1BB076E4C332F9469148F41725F17A72021360BD@MTVNE-EXCLUST02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Roland announce RE-20 'space echo' Thread-Index: Acd3p0y/LCXbnk9/SQyFt1gL8hoV7A== From: "Goddard, Duncan" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Apr 2007 17:24:43.0632 (UTC) FILETIME=[4CDFAF00:01C777A7] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69348 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2007 17:24:45 +0000 (UTC) damn fine bit of roadkill, that. be sure & let the local police know = too- it might have been boosted from a local studio! -----Original Message----- From: Stefan Tiedje [mailto:Stefan-Tiedje@addcom.de] Sent: 05 April 2007 11:06 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Roland announce RE-20 'space echo' Dirk Wilbert schrieb: > Hi - I played the RE-20 today at the Musikmesse in Frankfurt. Very = nice=20 > effect, kind of warm and "vintage" sound - but I don't know how the=20 > original sounds - so I can't compare... I just found an original RE-201 on the street in front of my flat. The=20 tape is missing, but I guess I can throw in some 1/4 inch... Its heavy, and I am sure, beside just trying it, I won't use it. But I=20 looked at ebay and there seems to be quite an interest in those kind of=20 gear. Anybody interested? I have to check if it works at all, but the pots=20 "feel" very solid and fine at least... I guess it was sitting in a cave for some years, but beside some dust it = looks fine... Stefan --=20 Stefan Tiedje------------x------- --_____-----------|-------------- --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()------- -- _|_)----|-----()-------------- ----------()--------www.ccmix.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 5 19:41:04 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6090E3BEF5; Thu, 5 Apr 2007 19:41:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <0aac01c777ba$56420c60$a6cbf40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <017c01c77779$a00eef70$e701a8c0@pcfabio> Subject: Re: Looper's delight podcast on line (11 episodes) Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2007 13:40:57 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0AA9_01C77788.0A747390" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69349 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2007 19:41:04 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0AA9_01C77788.0A747390 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable For the life of me, I can't figure out how to open this in iTunes. Where = do you past the URL? I even tried saving the file, but it won't import = it. Kris ----- Original Message -----=20 From: e t e r o g e n e o=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2007 5:57 AM Subject: Looper's delight podcast on line (11 episodes) Hi people,=20 by now, i've uploaded 11 episodes in the LD podcast. More will come in the next days. You just have to copy this link in your pod-player or in i-tunes http://www.eterogeneo.com/live_looping/live_looping.xml Please, let me know if it works and if you have raccomandations or = ideas. Thanks to all. fabio www.eterogeneo.com ------=_NextPart_000_0AA9_01C77788.0A747390 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
    For the life of me, I can't figure out = how to open=20 this in iTunes. Where do you past the URL? I even tried saving the file, = but it=20 won't import it.
     
    Kris
     
    ----- Original Message -----
    From:=20 e t = e r o g e n=20 e o
    To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
    Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2007 = 5:57=20 AM
    Subject: Looper's delight = podcast on line=20 (11 episodes)

    Hi people, =
    by now, i've uploaded = 11 episodes=20 in the LD podcast.
    More will come in the = next=20 days.
    You just have to copy = this link=20 in your pod-player or in i-tunes
    http://w= ww.eterogeneo.com/live_looping/live_looping.xml
     
    Please, let me know = if it works=20 and if you have raccomandations or ideas.
    Thanks to = all.
     
    fabio
    www.eterogeneo.com
     
    ------=_NextPart_000_0AA9_01C77788.0A747390-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 5 19:47:53 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E883E3BEFC; Thu, 5 Apr 2007 19:47:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=YEVbMbDK+wCK5nQB3y29jA8+gfcfwO7StHICmodATqPoG17BdlwCH2ojcKqWKu2xcYBQerIQ3ifDer7th13sun0CLYCswD4Unj2/n/2mslix+KbU5XhH8nrcZsByNngVvskUS9Wjm9XyHAdWrSpFbr++wdeTDmWhdwsVvCNtmPU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=YOdXnAUQwOYJrAjrK5qeKZvn9m92neY5Yk1ZTCCD0GiKBwATDmBVSdi+f4w2S7XWv+7iBdm/bufsyRlKYNTIGoT22IuBjvsR6qkRuZEvINl3x0qRzhM6bNENuZm1tMVr9jTgdEV+oOwl7BfM6YgqxZjA5/XxJ9ds7pFKQ5JDxtM= Message-ID: Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2007 12:47:51 -0700 From: "Travis Hartnett" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Looper's delight podcast on line (11 episodes) In-Reply-To: <0aac01c777ba$56420c60$a6cbf40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <017c01c77779$a00eef70$e701a8c0@pcfabio> <0aac01c777ba$56420c60$a6cbf40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69350 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2007 19:47:53 +0000 (UTC) >From "Advanced", select "Subscribe to podcast" and paste in the url. On 4/5/07, Krispen Hartung wrote: > > > For the life of me, I can't figure out how to open this in iTunes. Where do you past the URL? I even tried saving the file, but it won't import it. > > Kris > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 5 19:48:34 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 73D453BF01; Thu, 5 Apr 2007 19:48:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=NvJkm4OjMvp3xIMbeaqgE7xCwWFvAi8aUnXXK6fysnQHrlKZxLrLJJuGkm9hDcAm6/+xd5/aW4HxdQBjkSCQd2MeqFwQSSNIRHA8wtatAqCa7w2ubCIcEbZbKbQgFxcrEVoTy9XMg8NrvMsjQyu+av8T8M+6dtWVOQ+UBv/rduM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=cHOVUP1naKat1jk5t90exO2DnVqzkIqQW4YnCgIBKMeUqS3Aody8ZxVPGgEYjMoB/eTDAVXaxuOAOApmg7/4/htTb01PBJoAdgNxJ1ZdpeYYjymOEFeg0aoGxdLVd1BJrYnMZDN2H2dfVpEJK+K0WcQLdG1JiuwlZhQmviwb85k= Message-ID: Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2007 15:48:32 -0400 From: "Tony K" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Looper's delight podcast on line (11 episodes) In-Reply-To: <0aac01c777ba$56420c60$a6cbf40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_42032_10415636.1175802512643" References: <017c01c77779$a00eef70$e701a8c0@pcfabio> <0aac01c777ba$56420c60$a6cbf40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Resent-Message-ID: <8aIhID.A.LjC.SKVFGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69351 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2007 19:48:34 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_42032_10415636.1175802512643 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline It took me a few tries to figure it out this morning too. You are using iTunes on the PC, right? in the Advanced menu, select 'Subscribe to Podcast" paste the URL in there. I'll load the podcast. Then click the arrow to the left of where it says "Looper's Delight Community Podcast" it'll expand the tree and you'll see the list of songs. double click each one to download it. then select the header and click the Play button. That should do it. Good stuff in there by the way! Tony On 4/5/07, Krispen Hartung wrote: > > For the life of me, I can't figure out how to open this in iTunes. Where > do you past the URL? I even tried saving the file, but it won't import it. > > Kris > > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* e t e r o g e n e o > *To:* Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > *Sent:* Thursday, April 05, 2007 5:57 AM > *Subject:* Looper's delight podcast on line (11 episodes) > > Hi people, > by now, i've uploaded 11 episodes in the LD podcast. > More will come in the next days. > You just have to copy this link in your pod-player or in i-tunes > http://www.eterogeneo.com/live_looping/live_looping.xml > > Please, let me know if it works and if you have raccomandations or ideas. > Thanks to all. > > fabio > www.eterogeneo.com > > > -- -==-=-=- Tony ------=_Part_42032_10415636.1175802512643 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline It took me a few tries to figure it out this morning too.

    You are using iTunes on the PC, right?

    in the Advanced menu, select 'Subscribe to Podcast"
    paste the URL in there.

    I'll load the podcast.  Then click the arrow to the left of where it says "Looper's Delight Community Podcast"

    it'll expand the tree and you'll see the list of songs.

    double click each one to download it.  then select the header and click the Play button.

    That should do it.

    Good stuff in there by the way!

    Tony

    On 4/5/07, Krispen Hartung <khartung@cableone.net> wrote:
    For the life of me, I can't figure out how to open this in iTunes. Where do you past the URL? I even tried saving the file, but it won't import it.
     
    Kris
     
    ----- Original Message -----
    Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2007 5:57 AM
    Subject: Looper's delight podcast on line (11 episodes)

    Hi people,
    by now, i've uploaded 11 episodes in the LD podcast.
    More will come in the next days.
    You just have to copy this link in your pod-player or in i-tunes
     
    Please, let me know if it works and if you have raccomandations or ideas.
    Thanks to all.
     
    fabio
     



    --
    -==-=-=-
    Tony ------=_Part_42032_10415636.1175802512643-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 5 19:49:01 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EC0013BF05; Thu, 5 Apr 2007 19:49:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at cavesofice.org Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2007 15:46:30 -0400 (EDT) From: burnett@pobox.com X-X-Sender: badger@giggles.cavesofice.org To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: [LOOP] Re: Looper's delight podcast on line (11 episodes) In-Reply-To: <0aac01c777ba$56420c60$a6cbf40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Message-ID: References: <017c01c77779$a00eef70$e701a8c0@pcfabio> <0aac01c777ba$56420c60$a6cbf40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69352 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2007 19:49:01 +0000 (UTC) On Thu, 5 Apr 2007, Krispen Hartung wrote: > For the life of me, I can't figure out how to open this in iTunes. > Where do you past the URL? I even tried saving the file, but it won't > import it. Worked fine for me. 1. Start iTunes. 2. From the Advanced menu, select "Subscribe to Podcast" command. 3. Paste the url http://www.eterogeneo.com/live_looping/live_looping.xml into the field, then click the OK button. The first of the eleven tracks downloaded. I clicked the "Get" button next to the names of the other ten for them to download. Steve B Subscape Annex http://www.subscapeannex.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 5 19:51:09 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E94BF3BF06; Thu, 5 Apr 2007 19:51:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <0abd01c777bb$bd152de0$a6cbf40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <017c01c77779$a00eef70$e701a8c0@pcfabio> <0aac01c777ba$56420c60$a6cbf40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Subject: Re: Looper's delight podcast on line (11 episodes) Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2007 13:51:00 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69353 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2007 19:51:09 +0000 (UTC) Got it. Thanks. What's so advanced about that? Why don't they just add a window for URLs? Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Travis Hartnett" To: Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2007 1:47 PM Subject: Re: Looper's delight podcast on line (11 episodes) > From "Advanced", select "Subscribe to podcast" and paste in the url. > > On 4/5/07, Krispen Hartung wrote: >> >> >> For the life of me, I can't figure out how to open this in iTunes. Where >> do you past the URL? I even tried saving the file, but it won't import >> it. >> >> Kris >> >> >> > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 5 20:47:46 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6A3BB3BEF9; Thu, 5 Apr 2007 20:47:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: midifriedchicken@comcast.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Looper's delight podcast on line (11 episodes) Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2007 20:47:44 +0000 Message-Id: <040520072047.27452.46156070000862BA00006B3C2216551406020A050C07080C0B0A079D00070B0703@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Oct 4 2006) X-Authenticated-Sender: bWlkaWZyaWVkY2hpY2tlbkBjb21jYXN0Lm5ldA== Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69354 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2007 20:47:46 +0000 (UTC) How do you get it into the ipod? -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: "Krispen Hartung" > Got it. Thanks. What's so advanced about that? Why don't they just add a > window for URLs? > > Kris > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Travis Hartnett" > To: > Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2007 1:47 PM > Subject: Re: Looper's delight podcast on line (11 episodes) > > > > From "Advanced", select "Subscribe to podcast" and paste in the url. > > > > On 4/5/07, Krispen Hartung wrote: > >> > >> > >> For the life of me, I can't figure out how to open this in iTunes. Where > >> do you past the URL? I even tried saving the file, but it won't import > >> it. > >> > >> Kris > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 5 20:51:31 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B7A7D3BEF3; Thu, 5 Apr 2007 20:51:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <0b2c01c777c4$2f516fb0$a6cbf40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <040520072047.27452.46156070000862BA00006B3C2216551406020A050C07080C0B0A079D00070B0703@comcast.net> Subject: Re: Looper's delight podcast on line (11 episodes) Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2007 14:51:27 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69355 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2007 20:51:31 +0000 (UTC) Just like the directions below. It worked for me, but the problem is that it only plays the intro clip and nothing else. I'm sort of a podcast neophyte, so I could be doing something wrong, but it's sure not very intuitive! Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2007 2:47 PM Subject: Re: Looper's delight podcast on line (11 episodes) > How do you get it into the ipod? > -------------- Original message ---------------------- > From: "Krispen Hartung" >> Got it. Thanks. What's so advanced about that? Why don't they just add a >> window for URLs? >> >> Kris >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Travis Hartnett" >> To: >> Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2007 1:47 PM >> Subject: Re: Looper's delight podcast on line (11 episodes) >> >> >> > From "Advanced", select "Subscribe to podcast" and paste in the url. >> > >> > On 4/5/07, Krispen Hartung wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> For the life of me, I can't figure out how to open this in iTunes. >> >> Where >> >> do you past the URL? I even tried saving the file, but it won't >> >> import >> >> it. >> >> >> >> Kris >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> > >> >> > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 5 20:59:53 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B9A083BEF6; Thu, 5 Apr 2007 20:59:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=AdUBGrweccKAezcZULfpPAJgX/IPFiRhfgI91kAfjQuklXlopsB5yX9i6NFtrOwGf4d17EKdYkclPE7mOCSjMKz9jf8Z6SBG5OlMtW9aWjUe8S8jwKm2vOJEEkTHObrzwEcpPdXqiOx42CRpFqt2UB8h3BKMPH0U230TT+Nj+g4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=JEyuYiDzmjRdDsJyLdRZRJHMMfJN1SEKbghsErvBNUDe7iQnPsn74aax4tSEuxqxogdbj/n1FDDTrqjIwjueBv6Webg4HecdxEWPfz++zf94cTMH4/UDmyutsb4xMcrjfJwtMVbDgDRQ4RG/K9MJAd2xrKbmRNCrlY3zWS6JdZ4= Message-ID: Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2007 14:59:51 -0600 From: "C 3" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Bass Looping Show TONIGHT! - Evergreen Colorado MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_16271_20158555.1175806791994" Resent-Message-ID: <3FjHCB.A.B0F.JNWFGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69356 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2007 20:59:53 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_16271_20158555.1175806791994 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Hello All - C3 here - I have been a lurker on LD for a yer or so now, just taking in all the conversations, advice and information (all VERY helpful thank you!). I just wanted to let any Colorado folk son the list know im doing a solo 9 string bass looping performance tonight a 8:30 pm at Cactus Jack's in Evergreen (at the base of the Dam.) So anyone in colorado interested in coming out PLEASE DO! thanks in advance! C3 Cactus Jacks Saloon http://www.cactusjacksaloon.com/ also check my new artist page at Jerzy Drozd Basses (no audio clips yet -BUT SOON!) http://jerzydrozdbasses.com/c3.htm ------=_Part_16271_20158555.1175806791994 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Hello All -

    C3 here - I have been a lurker on LD for a yer or so now, just taking in all the conversations, advice and information (all VERY helpful thank you!).

    I just wanted to let any Colorado folk son the list know im doing a solo 9 string bass looping performance tonight a 8:30 pm at Cactus Jack's in Evergreen (at the base of the Dam.)

    So anyone in colorado interested in coming out PLEASE DO!

    thanks in advance!

    C3

    Cactus Jacks Saloon
    http://www.cactusjacksaloon.com/

    also check my new artist page at Jerzy Drozd Basses (no audio clips yet -BUT SOON!)
    http://jerzydrozdbasses.com/c3.htm



    ------=_Part_16271_20158555.1175806791994-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 5 21:03:30 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7C7633BEF0; Thu, 5 Apr 2007 21:03:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com In-Reply-To: <0b2c01c777c4$2f516fb0$a6cbf40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> References: <040520072047.27452.46156070000862BA00006B3C2216551406020A050C07080C0B0A079D00070B0703@comcast.net> <0b2c01c777c4$2f516fb0$a6cbf40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <910ACDA8-F153-4742-B674-61AC4B277735@sccadv.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Jeff Evans Subject: Re: Looper's delight podcast on line (11 episodes) Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2007 16:03:25 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69357 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2007 21:03:30 +0000 (UTC) Since I can't post images to the LD list, I'm posting a web page with visualized instructions. this will be the link: http://www.ejefftronic.com/podcast Give me a half hour and it'll be up. Jeff Evans On Apr 5, 2007, at 3:51 PM, Krispen Hartung wrote: > Just like the directions below. It worked for me, but the problem > is that it only plays the intro clip and nothing else. I'm sort of > a podcast neophyte, so I could be doing something wrong, but it's > sure not very intuitive! > > Kris > > ----- Original Message ----- From: > To: > Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2007 2:47 PM > Subject: Re: Looper's delight podcast on line (11 episodes) > > >> How do you get it into the ipod? >> -------------- Original message ---------------------- >> From: "Krispen Hartung" >>> Got it. Thanks. What's so advanced about that? Why don't they >>> just add a >>> window for URLs? >>> >>> Kris >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Travis Hartnett" >>> >>> To: >>> Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2007 1:47 PM >>> Subject: Re: Looper's delight podcast on line (11 episodes) >>> >>> >>> > From "Advanced", select "Subscribe to podcast" and paste in the >>> url. >>> > >>> > On 4/5/07, Krispen Hartung wrote: >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> For the life of me, I can't figure out how to open this in >>> iTunes. >> Where >>> >> do you past the URL? I even tried saving the file, but it >>> won't >> import >>> >> it. >>> >> >>> >> Kris >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> > >>> > >>> >>> >> > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 5 21:05:48 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DD1D83BEEE; Thu, 5 Apr 2007 21:05:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=lpYVNS8h2dnf/Ch4FXzgnujeKliKOoS3Lzcv3/yRV0OqZPFiCT40sRrQ03y4G4qiib/V1iks+ZnfT47SS4s9+iJsED6+UU7K7rS4I7Xz4M1Edn4NmQucdkIisHKH+IvKMvtPiiryQ6Yg3ZffsZUruMhDNrJcBzY1YW31KvgT6U8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=JWalUY+6/JgcvLtgJEldyRAxK5eOIx7jtNb105BZplsY6HwOkE9HCU31LWc7kIyipezQLNcdZmIZsMOoVDKrq71en05IOKq1m+8Z7HzoiqsAVxKaI7cgc1E5dLY4BOZBNsozrvuMawsw8mq1YULZ47XV3JH8rmO4CWij3gAX17I= Message-ID: Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2007 14:05:47 -0700 From: "Travis Hartnett" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Looper's delight podcast on line (11 episodes) In-Reply-To: <0b2c01c777c4$2f516fb0$a6cbf40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <040520072047.27452.46156070000862BA00006B3C2216551406020A050C07080C0B0A079D00070B0703@comcast.net> <0b2c01c777c4$2f516fb0$a6cbf40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69358 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2007 21:05:48 +0000 (UTC) Once you've pasted the url into the Subscribe To Podcast window, if you go the Podcasts section in iTunes, you'll see a list of the available podcast chapters. There should be a "Get" button next to the title of each podcast you haven't yet downloaded. If you click on that, iTunes will download that chapter. If you want them to automatically download, click the Settings button there at the bottom of the iTunes window when you're viewing your podcast list, and you can manage the subscription settings there. On 4/5/07, Krispen Hartung wrote: > Just like the directions below. It worked for me, but the problem is that it > only plays the intro clip and nothing else. I'm sort of a podcast neophyte, > so I could be doing something wrong, but it's sure not very intuitive! > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 5 21:08:28 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 178913BF00; Thu, 5 Apr 2007 21:08:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <46156545.4030701@mhorse.com> Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2007 16:08:21 -0500 From: Daryl Shawn User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.10 (Windows/20070221) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Bass Looping Show TONIGHT! - Evergreen Colorado References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69359 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2007 21:08:27 +0000 (UTC) Bad-ass bass! I don't think I've seen a bass instrument with that many strings that weren't paired in courses. Do let us know when you have audio samples. And great moustache! Daryl Shawn www.swanwelder.com www.chinapaintingmusic.com > > C3 here - I have been a lurker on LD for a yer or so now, just taking > in all the conversations, advice and information (all VERY helpful > thank you!). From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 5 21:17:05 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 52A703BF07; Thu, 5 Apr 2007 21:17:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=l19zu991kPec3bSGlFcdoZuhZRF6Re3oJ8/OypA4vl3GgkdAYDR0CCajaeSyxq/y42eOxkTpQUBUVIRdLAeFQS9Ee//JOGldi3o879qSBDC/K1bMN3apFZSR6KfgHtEpBUOrOA2TlKjMGb70yJm189Xhs6dVSPeiFitEmrP0CsU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=O692UEpRQyKcDoUdakeVG7csrZMx+lyNSRrEJ5rKhwORs0OsUL0+H8ZZpegqcD2KY8ww6HsHPwFp88piQ7jXZNRtwUJbyJ2T+muXLYW+cmf+ZsaA15r96fKN7M4B9Zwgotqme9Do+ubXgN7+qULdM8jG35kXhZxhoajIRIvlEN4= Message-ID: Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2007 14:17:03 -0700 From: "Travis Hartnett" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Bass Looping Show TONIGHT! - Evergreen Colorado In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69360 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2007 21:17:05 +0000 (UTC) Are you opening for a...punk rock band? On 4/5/07, C 3 wrote: > I just wanted to let any Colorado folk son the list know im doing a solo 9 > string bass looping performance tonight a 8:30 pm at Cactus Jack's in > Evergreen (at the base of the Dam.) > > So anyone in colorado interested in coming out PLEASE DO! > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 5 21:19:36 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B6F543BF07; Thu, 5 Apr 2007 21:19:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=ifSyJD0vBcLh7JP7NtZAOaQoc9R85sTyO56KkaCByVc2sftQXnHRYtBfWizAptorpfP86oYI5uziCV880PHp0OcHS14EXYhGQt+Giw0IJYp3eUl5cHy2shTeFO0q0GRvSWPp9BOXgbVVF/zdTsb3Fvv4MIFzkYmlX1M3a2WAEb4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=GO6iidI3imWGqS//LjFMkPEjlZnjW9NzzFcFFL7Xftx637p5bdrkpBNpD7+8W/rT5IU85MiVWXUkRQPoc26g41kYOS5Bqm8GOvI9dGy8dlm13W+dv3/MC9hcF9be6BK1cZ5RFR5HuXKg0FvXHSGo0yq2RLfdvkh82XWpwnw6GxE= Message-ID: Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2007 14:19:34 -0700 From: "Travis Hartnett" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Bass Looping Show TONIGHT! - Evergreen Colorado In-Reply-To: <46156545.4030701@mhorse.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <46156545.4030701@mhorse.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69361 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2007 21:19:36 +0000 (UTC) Some NAMM footage of those basses, except with, uh, more strings: http://youtube.com/watch?v=bT_kQbAFFfs On 4/5/07, Daryl Shawn wrote: > Bad-ass bass! I don't think I've seen a bass instrument with that many > strings that weren't paired in courses. Do let us know when you have > audio samples. > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 5 21:23:01 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 050DA3BF15; Thu, 5 Apr 2007 21:23:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=qDel5OnB74CxnslJYzJEqAF1krQnNF2Rf5Kr+N4Rjs1ZTp8YJwBps9W1hsl6ecGLHs+aGGnG3YliNkemasBkRlzsCdpU6i9kIu/P557jjmyt1MqnkS4seFDtQwIg9gDhwX0Qnf8NQk3wNgDqXS3qvweQK9nSDoEKFdLHHnSBvJM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=olKscSBLfHNHsL1BcALGKxfetwqkTo21fH7CGlrAY6xs8xGRfFbckF8fzxFH7NHDHWylfPbvwAZMXqYxbzUyMgHu+xYaQfR+eAs0PzPabf8xM5o/7ViSP8wbG53NQPTrcCiap/x8r6IlGOW+MwfhbyH0UoyHk9QpwkXZ2XBWdx4= Message-ID: Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2007 15:22:59 -0600 From: "C 3" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Bass Looping Show TONIGHT! - Evergreen Colorado In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_16319_3506565.1175808179225" References: <46156545.4030701@mhorse.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69362 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2007 21:23:00 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_16319_3506565.1175808179225 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Yes Yves and Jean!!!! they will be here in Denver for the LODO BASS BASH in August 2007! Yves is NOW playing a 12 string fretless JD C3 On 4/5/07, Travis Hartnett wrote: > > Some NAMM footage of those basses, except with, uh, more strings: > > http://youtube.com/watch?v=bT_kQbAFFfs > > On 4/5/07, Daryl Shawn wrote: > > Bad-ass bass! I don't think I've seen a bass instrument with that many > > strings that weren't paired in courses. Do let us know when you have > > audio samples. > > > > > > -- Christopher "C3" Cardone APC Instruments ------=_Part_16319_3506565.1175808179225 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Yes Yves and Jean!!!!

    they will be here in Denver for the LODO BASS BASH in August 2007!

    Yves is NOW playing a 12 string fretless JD

    C3

    On 4/5/07, Travis Hartnett <travishartnett@gmail.com> wrote:
    Some NAMM footage of those basses, except with, uh, more strings:

    http://youtube.com/watch?v=bT_kQbAFFfs

    On 4/5/07, Daryl Shawn < highhorse@mhorse.com> wrote:
    > Bad-ass bass! I don't think I've seen a bass instrument with that many
    > strings that weren't paired in courses. Do let us know when you have
    > audio samples.
    >
    >




    --
    Christopher "C3" Cardone
    APC Instruments ------=_Part_16319_3506565.1175808179225-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 5 21:24:09 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C480A3BF18; Thu, 5 Apr 2007 21:24:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=k1Bq8MDsSdKfvoxttqm2gWhiTB5sxcKVHEXGYR6cHhp7+LqsdKbQx/VOAYUKVGKiFL2bkiCmnZv2oEHYaTvTZAd4nZ0jeRzdeprmjiKHmsxuYp1otXGczwveVFmLdp29eVlQcCTAqdatRrovTe+ezhidiDaTJrZvec+bZZnwm8s= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=pQR5lFfIHKSJUjFBV3CFx7DtTub5oVgIy1mUcsoA7wBWXHJDIPzODqx+yRgGAMrwKPtlnsNTFu3s3vkqp4vbs9/VuOJUciAPYlGIxmXjUTNu5/Se3J7NTViXKdSJW0+k77ZaSzqEyRaoOG+vEE4JMvp+ykjyfO8SiVH9V9+81Vo= Message-ID: Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2007 15:24:08 -0600 From: "C 3" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Bass Looping Show TONIGHT! - Evergreen Colorado In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_16327_1536629.1175808248657" References: Resent-Message-ID: <_tflaC.A.qhH.5jWFGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69363 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2007 21:24:09 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_16327_1536629.1175808248657 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Punk Band is tomorrow night :) On 4/5/07, Travis Hartnett wrote: > > Are you opening for a...punk rock band? > > On 4/5/07, C 3 wrote: > > > I just wanted to let any Colorado folk son the list know im doing a solo > 9 > > string bass looping performance tonight a 8:30 pm at Cactus Jack's in > > Evergreen (at the base of the Dam.) > > > > So anyone in colorado interested in coming out PLEASE DO! > > > > -- Christopher "C3" Cardone APC Instruments ------=_Part_16327_1536629.1175808248657 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Punk Band is tomorrow night :)

    On 4/5/07, Travis Hartnett <travishartnett@gmail.com> wrote:
    Are you opening for a...punk rock band?

    On 4/5/07, C 3 <modulus10@gmail.com> wrote:

    > I just wanted to let any Colorado folk son the list know im doing a solo 9
    > string bass looping performance tonight a 8:30 pm at Cactus Jack's in
    > Evergreen (at the base of the Dam.)
    >
    > So anyone in colorado interested in coming out PLEASE DO!
    >




    --
    Christopher "C3" Cardone
    APC Instruments ------=_Part_16327_1536629.1175808248657-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 5 21:28:26 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BC7453BEF3; Thu, 5 Apr 2007 21:28:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <80925403-F17D-4C1C-9D41-400D2BD176F3@sccadv.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Jeff Evans Subject: Podcast Help Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2007 16:28:19 -0500 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69364 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2007 21:28:26 +0000 (UTC) Podcast instructions are available with visuals here: http:// www.ejefftronic.com/podcast It's a bit ugly, but I think it answers all the questions posed, so far. Feel free to check out my site, and the loops in particular, while you're there: http://www.ejefftronic.com Jeff Evans From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 5 21:51:10 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1AA043BF06; Thu, 5 Apr 2007 21:51:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <46156F43.4030406@aromabar.com> Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2007 17:50:59 -0400 From: blixton User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.4 (Windows/20050908) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: looper with 24Bits 96KHz sample rate Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-EN-UserInfo: 8fa5b2a164f06463fef95856b46475b8:b28e276ab15476efec7f989e64d1d602 X-EN-AuthUser: blixton Sender: blixton X-EN-OrigIP: 72.45.1.85 X-EN-OrigHost: 72-45-1-085-dhcp.gsv.md.atlanticbb.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69365 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2007 21:51:10 +0000 (UTC) Is there such a thing? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 5 22:30:49 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 010573BEF8; Thu, 5 Apr 2007 22:30:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=A4hvl7b5LdzcVUk2pwSWrpLbzmDL4Ka5orwB365vMUyuw69obLyl2cKuS7JrnqMHnejVYqGxfGt5M8P7YSqSONMAsW09a3HHsYao3pg8MsySpVWxxX86xTojBqW547Y3SwqKiB14gs5c0iPJP4qaLm2onCgO0taaEF6VUU91FsM=; X-YMail-OSG: 9MrivnUVM1lQLnFbqjzDPJfBwBpV5eqMG.2iRkJYSLdAsEjEz7Jv_hTMtgE8oBuek3O02tIW4sIsE2m7Axs8v8d.cYKVCrJHSyhpGLZ6MGI6.QI8ZvTQnOCvIaqZ Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2007 15:30:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Stephen Scott Subject: Re: looper with 24Bits 96KHz sample rate To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <46156F43.4030406@aromabar.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-293147474-1175812248=:87440" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <159361.87440.qm@web53001.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: <1PPPY.A.RsC.YiXFGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69366 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2007 22:30:49 +0000 (UTC) --0-293147474-1175812248=:87440 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit The RedSound Soundbite loop sampler has this spec. Stephen blixton wrote: Is there such a thing? --------------------------------- Never miss an email again! Yahoo! Toolbar alerts you the instant new Mail arrives. Check it out. --0-293147474-1175812248=:87440 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit The RedSound Soundbite loop sampler has this spec.

    Stephen


    blixton <blixton@aromabar.com> wrote:
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Find it! = --_1719518b-cc8e-4a52-9765-34e62430e66d_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 6 04:02:19 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6130F3BEDB; Fri, 6 Apr 2007 04:02:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: AW: looper with 24Bits 96KHz sample rate Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2007 06:02:34 +0200 Organization: Moinlabs Message-ID: <002101c77800$682d4980$1001a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 In-Reply-To: <46156F43.4030406@aromabar.com> Thread-Index: Acd3zIYWUXy9OlsDTpqsKIyJl2KNNgAM1+eQ X-RZG-AUTH: lUESeo99iNzPL8kuBgLYdKEqUywq9cxqeRA+BtFcSCD5deQ7OId52juqFg== X-RZG-CLASS-ID: mo07 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69368 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2007 04:02:19 +0000 (UTC) 1st: who would need that? 2nd: MAX/MSP 3rd: I hope Mobius will support different sample rates one day - Jeff? 4th: Eventide A8000/H8000/Orville > Is there such a thing? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 6 06:20:41 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1F2263BEF1; Fri, 6 Apr 2007 06:20:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at mail.telix.ru Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2007 10:20:22 +0400 From: Dmitry X-Mailer: The Bat! (v3.60.07) Professional Reply-To: Dmitry X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <1346651798.20070406102022@hotpop.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Bob Sellon's new Looper PRO ROM for Jamman!!! MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69369 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2007 06:20:41 +0000 (UTC) Hello. Has anyone try the Bob Sellon's new LooperPRO ROM (ver. 0.1) for Jamman??? http://www.stecrecords.com/gear/jamman/LooperPro/download.php Peace... Dmitry From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 6 06:38:48 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9C8873BEF1; Fri, 6 Apr 2007 06:38:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=laq7ltzp6c/40J0DxRLzhEEM8FzYqvgUVDtgTjj+4z2Uqivx8HwqJYVGF5I6sbWgkCHbgfyUNw5cSHpuY8XNcNcB/WiEnWO9e83BIxRcTo3Vx8LBYCa2uztTLQLcG7Ai66XxW+8MNZ11ZFKA5RPkDNucl+1ttSNKzE+bXW+YA1s= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=WM+lwtuxcceSl8G5oRfrMrrVjXl0a40IERKaOC6bYZ5zhbD9dX2atSmZi+A/y3i16CUls8Upw8Kv5QJvC8elcNpskX0PAkQzg76Wf51q0cS5s8ElwPgH1XrdDY4HJQMZP9l3KN+aVW6tXfzKlxhU7BDluRu6X5m0k0+OWRRIlhQ= Message-ID: Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2007 07:38:45 +0100 From: Os Sender: expertsleepers@googlemail.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: looper with 24Bits 96KHz sample rate In-Reply-To: <002101c77800$682d4980$1001a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <46156F43.4030406@aromabar.com> <002101c77800$682d4980$1001a8c0@succubus> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 49a9aade3553e7d1 Resent-Message-ID: <5sdB0B.A.k6G.4reFGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69370 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2007 06:38:48 +0000 (UTC) I would imagine all software loopers would support that. Certainly plugins would, since they'd have to support any sample rate the host application would support. In fact I would imagine most software loopers would be internally 32 bit. Certainly all mine (Augustus Loop, Meringue, Crossfade Loop Synth) are. cheers, os. On 06/04/07, Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill wrote: > 1st: who would need that? > 2nd: MAX/MSP > 3rd: I hope Mobius will support different sample rates one day - Jeff? > 4th: Eventide A8000/H8000/Orville > > > Is there such a thing? > > -- os@collective.co.uk http://www.collective.co.uk/ http://www.myspace.com/darkroomtheband From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 6 06:43:44 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 331E13BEE6; Fri, 6 Apr 2007 06:43:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=tyN9gEqWHqcwgcAjzO4dvN/Gp44FUynI5FJZC01r/KDjOf4qQ62MUSNFLzqSpRxtSo+pZ7nOS7/Qj9eOp/GeOZyRaXZMujPS2fH/aQfrKvxHbE+OkXQMWiKWY7weq/jrB3dUvXmDDPIAjC47SVij8ALgy4MDb8yBor+kZgwmjjM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=H2gyh6O2f8JYj31yZFW5FXVQtyAsGqpNeg/GzR+oMWx6ycNC+/JloilH+umUFb+VMTHBZo7EM9g8F4wyeVKpGsQB8KzYPEzCksExePsmwaZELuYnNJ6A6Y8+Pwf/P4KjGK45uz+B0lqyoGZdEVFYbqZo61KGbS7XZwUqB8/JBQk= Message-ID: Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2007 07:43:42 +0100 From: Os Sender: expertsleepers@googlemail.com To: "e t e r o g e n e o" Subject: Re: Looper's delight podcast on line (11 episodes) Cc: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <017c01c77779$a00eef70$e701a8c0@pcfabio> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <017c01c77779$a00eef70$e701a8c0@pcfabio> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 3e68cd25c9e1a38d Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69371 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2007 06:43:44 +0000 (UTC) Excellent work, Fabio! Downloading now. Please feel free to grab anything from the Darkroom podcast for the LD one. http://www.collective.co.uk/darkroom/podcast.html cheers, os. On 05/04/07, e t e r o g e n e o wrote: > > > Hi people, > by now, i've uploaded 11 episodes in the LD podcast. > More will come in the next days. > You just have to copy this link in your pod-player or in i-tunes > http://www.eterogeneo.com/live_looping/live_looping.xml > > Please, let me know if it works and if you have raccomandations or ideas. > Thanks to all. > > fabio > www.eterogeneo.com > -- os@collective.co.uk http://www.collective.co.uk/ http://www.myspace.com/darkroomtheband From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 6 10:02:46 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D30983BEEC; Fri, 6 Apr 2007 10:02:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=FTy1MbrY6jOOpr7bPNs5IK1k83DyG/qrGsQRsE9YAv71vgUhJYldt7ylFOYM457AlxcbSiKSbKibIkcC7XySBHJpaVDMH/kQO1ShtD9PDZgsTNnDt6Ar8NAyNKwlGAlCX2E87GahEUXRd5g5YvTKRunFXqiA8pgbhadIEdkkhGU=; X-YMail-OSG: rsbAHnUVM1kgAQ1tbARmmD81xAQV_PxzbJq5FJ7S6Rc8tatgWnUpzwOIUVkKw6BWUyjm.ItRwN5r5SyzwixRRB8GAQ9FykpS.t18rmKrrbU29heEScaaJo6td_3ZQyBCFLOalAd8o7yR_4x.eA-- Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2007 03:02:44 -0700 (PDT) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: guitar builders photographic mind To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <0abd01c777bb$bd152de0$a6cbf40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <182541.60337.qm@web38609.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69372 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2007 10:02:46 +0000 (UTC) A bit off topic gang but i just find this amazing check out part 2 http://www.guitarworld.com/article/eddie_van_halen_on_recreating_frankenstein i am still wondering what they will be charging for a guitar like this! cheers Luis www.myspace.com/luisangulocom ____________________________________________________________________________________ Expecting? 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    -------------------------------1175864236-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 6 13:12:58 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CF7A83BEF1; Fri, 6 Apr 2007 13:12:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-Id: <97D495D1-CD00-4813-A980-9D947C191621@ideastudioweb.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-13--10521096 From: Bruno K Subject: Re: Looper's delight podcast on line (11 episodes) Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2007 15:12:54 +0200 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69374 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2007 13:12:58 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-13--10521096 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Allow me to say this to Fabio in our language: Gran bella idea questa del podcast! un grazie e molti complimenti da Milano Bruno --Apple-Mail-13--10521096 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII
    Allow me to = say this to Fabio in our language:


    Gran bella idea questa del = podcast!
    un grazie e molti complimenti da Milano


    Bruno

     =

    = --Apple-Mail-13--10521096-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 6 13:23:23 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 399ED3BEF6; Fri, 6 Apr 2007 13:23:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: AW: looper with 24Bits 96KHz sample rate Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2007 15:23:37 +0200 Organization: Moinlabs Message-ID: <000701c7784e$c8f9e130$1001a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: Acd4FjshR9peK3UhRweMc9qQZlqysgAOFA+A In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-RZG-AUTH: lUESeo99iNzPL8kuBgLYdKEqUywq9cxqeRA+BtFcSCD5deQ7OIZ29R3n X-RZG-CLASS-ID: mo07 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69375 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2007 13:23:23 +0000 (UTC) While Mobius as a plugin runs with 32bit and also supports higher sample rates from the audio interface side, the timing engine does not support anything different from 44.1kHz yet. So if you're using Mobius, look forward to some unexpected behaviour if using a higher sample rate (not necessarily a bad thing for all you aleatoric sound designers out there) > I would imagine all software loopers would support that. > Certainly plugins would, since they'd have to support any > sample rate the host application would support. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 6 13:32:14 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 782B63BEF5; Fri, 6 Apr 2007 13:32:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: <000701c7784e$c8f9e130$1001a8c0@succubus> References: <000701c7784e$c8f9e130$1001a8c0@succubus> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Tom Dauria Subject: Re: AW: looper with 24Bits 96KHz sample rate Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2007 09:32:13 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-ELNK-Trace: 6e2084437afe00551aa676d7e74259b7b3291a7d08dfec7953e58f238ff0b649362f3441bb4fa1e7350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 70.19.252.74 Resent-Message-ID: <_XXzBC.A.0AE.evkFGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69376 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2007 13:32:14 +0000 (UTC) SooperLooper on Mac (although I have sync issues with Live) or Angstrolooper on Wintel might be good options for plugs On Apr 6, 2007, at 9:23 AM, Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill wrote: > While Mobius as a plugin runs with 32bit and also supports higher > sample > rates from the audio interface side, the timing engine does not > support > anything different from 44.1kHz yet. So if you're using Mobius, > look forward > to some unexpected behaviour if using a higher sample rate (not > necessarily > a bad thing for all you aleatoric sound designers out there) > >> I would imagine all software loopers would support that. >> Certainly plugins would, since they'd have to support any >> sample rate the host application would support. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 6 15:40:42 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4261A3BEF3; Fri, 6 Apr 2007 15:40:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: RE: looper with 24Bits 96KHz sample rate Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2007 10:40:42 -0500 Message-ID: <3B760999C264454D82652640BB74075C280DBC@keel.sailpoint.com> In-Reply-To: <000701c7784e$c8f9e130$1001a8c0@succubus> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: looper with 24Bits 96KHz sample rate Thread-index: Acd4FjshR9peK3UhRweMc9qQZlqysgAOFA+AAARXBQA= References: <000701c7784e$c8f9e130$1001a8c0@succubus> From: "Jeff Larson" To: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69377 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2007 15:40:42 +0000 (UTC) > While Mobius as a plugin runs with 32bit and also supports higher sample > rates from the audio interface side, the timing engine does not support > anything different from 44.1kHz yet. So if you're using Mobius, look forward > to some unexpected behaviour if using a higher sample rate (not necessarily > a bad thing for all you aleatoric sound designers out there) Right. If you don't care about synchronizing with the VST host clock or generating MIDI clocks for another device then Mobius should work at higher sample rates though this isn't something I test. If you need external sync though, there are a few calculations that assume a 44.1Khz sample rate. The most common side effect of this is unexpected retriggering of the loop from the beginning at seemingly random times. I plan to fix this someday, but it isn't near the top of my priority list. This is arguably not an issue for people that play live because with all the ambient noise and low-fi amplification it is impossible for an audience to hear the difference in sample rates. For studio recording or listening under pristine conditions it does matter. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 6 16:20:45 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 950ED3BEF4; Fri, 6 Apr 2007 16:20:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <1346651798.20070406102022@hotpop.com> References: <1346651798.20070406102022@hotpop.com> Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2007 12:03:00 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Charles Zwicky Subject: Re: Bob Sellon's new Looper PRO ROM for Jamman!!! Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" ; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-ELNK-Trace: e070562f4b6af5994d2b10475b571120fc43d2db3042a267087147656f0156cf851520063ce64590350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 69.86.208.154 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69378 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2007 16:20:45 +0000 (UTC) http://www.stecrecords.com/gear/jamman/LooperPro/doc/ It's really incredible. I was involved somewhat=20 in it's testing and development (there is a Midi=20 Map named for me).. It does requite a few simple mods to the jamman,=20 like populating the empty PRAM socket (69=A2) Worth it, though! CZ >Hello. > >Has anyone try the Bob Sellon's new LooperPRO ROM (ver. 0.1) for Jamman??? > >http://www.stecrecords.com/gear/jamman/LooperPro/download.php > >Peace... > > Dmitry -- =2E.. http://www.zmix.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 6 16:29:59 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 65E1C3BEFE; Fri, 6 Apr 2007 16:29:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <46167583.6030104@addcom.de> Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2007 18:29:55 +0200 From: Stefan Tiedje User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.10 (Macintosh/20070221) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: New stuff References: <1011938815.1175269118732.JavaMail.root@fepweb13> <0bbd01c772ed$67f58df0$e701a8c0@pcfabio> <009601c77380$f7ab5f40$e701a8c0@pcfabio> <460E4833.3070001@tiscali.co.uk> <64b81a780703312212p39b3ac9fwfa58ec5e39ca5541@mail.gmail.com> <671C24B4-CDD8-4652-BF2F-B5DF36EA0486@gmail.com> <013101c77515$253c2490$e701a8c0@pcfabio> <046201c7752d$8aab78e0$a6cbf40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <006f01c7759f$1697de90$0200a8c0@daw1> <8C944152CCE1FA0-D80-A65@WEBMAIL-RD06.sysops.aol.com> <26ACD1BB-2179-4856-A906-A851D99A04FC@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <26ACD1BB-2179-4856-A906-A851D99A04FC@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69379 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2007 16:29:59 +0000 (UTC) Per Boysen schrieb: > Hey, Michael. I recognize Tony's musical attitude (with that piece) as > what some Swedish jazz musician use to call "SPRÄCK". Oh thats nice, if Swedish is like some German dialects where the sound of the word tells everything, I know exactly what it means... Lets put up a SPRÄCK festival and get our children to play into our looping gear. They don't know yet what's really cool... (The smaller kids do know it by the way, it's the taste suppression they learn from the radio and xxx-idol shows which does it...) And I'd put in some SPRÄCK Gesang... Stefan -- Stefan Tiedje------------x------- --_____-----------|-------------- --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()------- -- _|_)----|-----()-------------- ----------()--------www.ccmix.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 6 17:00:32 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AE4A73BEF8; Fri, 6 Apr 2007 17:00:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <46167CA7.8080201@aromabar.com> Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2007 13:00:23 -0400 From: blixton User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.4 (Windows/20050908) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: looper with 24Bits 96KHz sample rate References: <000701c7784e$c8f9e130$1001a8c0@succubus> <3B760999C264454D82652640BB74075C280DBC@keel.sailpoint.com> In-Reply-To: <3B760999C264454D82652640BB74075C280DBC@keel.sailpoint.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-EN-UserInfo: 8fa5b2a164f06463fef95856b46475b8:b28e276ab15476efec7f989e64d1d602 X-EN-AuthUser: blixton Sender: blixton X-EN-OrigIP: 72.45.1.85 X-EN-OrigHost: 72-45-1-085-dhcp.gsv.md.atlanticbb.net Resent-Message-ID: <7l3OrD.A.MQG.wynFGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69380 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2007 17:00:32 +0000 (UTC) Im not using a computer. It will be the only digital part of my music. Then it goes to tape. Thats why I want a high sample rate. 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I chose the EDP after quite a lot of research, including this board (I guess I only saw the recommendations and not the warnings). Obviously this is the last time I'm ever buying a Gibson product and I will certainly do my best to spread the word about their deficiencies. Does anyone have any recommendations for a looper that actually works? --------------------------------- Sucker-punch spam with award-winning protection. Try the free Yahoo! Mail Beta. --0-1180149143-1175881881=:67290 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
    Just wanted to share the fact that I replaced my defective EDP (since I don't have time to get it repaired before my gigs, nor do I have the technological capabilites to open it up and reseat the PROMs, thanks Francisco) with a new one that also appears to be defective (sound is degraded and crackly). I chose the EDP after quite a lot of research, including this board (I guess I only saw the recommendations and not the warnings). Obviously this is the last time I'm ever buying a Gibson product and I will certainly do my best to spread the word about their deficiencies. Does anyone have any recommendations for a looper that actually works?
     

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    Try the free Yahoo! Mail Beta. --0-1180149143-1175881881=:67290-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 6 18:39:00 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 191233BEF3; Fri, 6 Apr 2007 18:38:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at mail.telix.ru Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2007 22:38:41 +0400 From: Dmitry X-Mailer: The Bat! (v3.60.07) Professional Reply-To: Dmitry X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <126439254.20070406223841@hotpop.com> To: Charles Zwicky Subject: Re[2]: Bob Sellon's new Looper PRO ROM for Jamman!!! In-Reply-To: References: <1346651798.20070406102022@hotpop.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69383 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2007 18:38:59 +0000 (UTC) Hello. Friday, April 6, 2007, 20:03:00: you wrote: > http://www.stecrecords.com/gear/jamman/LooperPro/doc/ > It's really incredible. I was involved somewhat=20 > in it's testing and development (there is a Midi=20 > Map named for me).. > It does requite a few simple mods to the jamman,=20 > like populating the empty PRAM socket (69=A2) Please tell me more, what does mean "populating the empty PRAM socket"? I burn the ROM image "JamManLooperPro0_1.BIN" into 27C256, but Jamman doesn't start and display doesn't lit and so on :-( I don't have Extended memory (I have only 8 sec), and don't have EEPROM chip (NM93C66EN). May be this is problem??? I have "Enhancement" ROM ver 4. It's work fine! Any suggestion? p.s. Looking forward to hearing from you. Peace... Dmitry mailto:railman@hotpop.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 6 18:39:30 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 01DB63BEFA; Fri, 6 Apr 2007 18:39:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=ix.netcom.com; b=SyKeZXE8ele3h8oUdAV+EEgtkVB/WF2PkMymYmyuAx7llfaBzqyiELmKe6I8GcIJ; h=Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:To:Subject:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Message-ID: <17452605.1175884769063.JavaMail.root@elwamui-cypress.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2007 14:39:28 -0400 (EDT) From: synchro1 Reply-To: synchro1 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: EDP woes, part two Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: EarthLink Zoo Mail 1.0 X-ELNK-Trace: 7c4b038661a0657e74cfc7ce3b1ad11381c87f5e51960688329cdac48e8b2c64d44e03a4d04117b7350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.224.32 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69384 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2007 18:39:29 +0000 (UTC) 1,000s of these have been sold and used without this problem. It seems very coincidental that you have encountered the identical defect with two units. I'm presuming you got the replacement from the same place as the first, so perhaps it could represent a manufacturing defect in some sequentially produced units (serial numbers close to each other?). Perhaps there is some other variable at work here that might be causing the problem? It is impossible for me to second guess from a distance but coincidence makes me wonder. Are you nearby anyone on this forum that has an EDP that would let you do a side-by-side test/comparison? I am in the San Francisco bay area and have an EDP if that would help. Meanwhile to answer the question you actually asked, I have a Looperlative LP-1, EDP, and Electrix Repeater. I don't have degraded or crackly sound on any of them and I would say that each of them works according to their features and functions. Of the 3, I vastly prefer and mostly use the LP-1 however in some earlier versions of the software (Bob upgrades it regularly) I have had issues with (rarely) freezing up and three times an unexplained distorted sound on one of the 8 channels. I have not encountered either of these issues in the last several months. I had some very serious concerns when I first fired the LP-1 up on day 1. Several scary hours later, I realized I had set it up incorrectly. Good luck, Jim W. -----Original Message----- >From: taittinger91 >Sent: Apr 6, 2007 1:51 PM >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: EDP woes, part two > >Just wanted to share the fact that I replaced my defective EDP (since I don't have time to get it repaired before my gigs, nor do I have the technological capabilites to open it up and reseat the PROMs, thanks Francisco) with a new one that also appears to be defective (sound is degraded and crackly). I chose the EDP after quite a lot of research, including this board (I guess I only saw the recommendations and not the warnings). Obviously this is the last time I'm ever buying a Gibson product and I will certainly do my best to spread the word about their deficiencies. Does anyone have any recommendations for a looper that actually works? > > > >--------------------------------- >Sucker-punch spam with award-winning protection. > Try the free Yahoo! Mail Beta. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 6 18:53:10 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9F09B3BEF3; Fri, 6 Apr 2007 18:53:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4616A57A.4020806@imt.net> Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2007 12:54:34 -0700 From: Bob Weigel User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Fwd: the truth behind The Secret... www.pittsburgchiropractic.com (ONE of my not so secret secrets!) - God Bless Richly!!!! References: <112647.99978.qm@web33608.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <112647.99978.qm@web33608.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69385 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2007 18:53:10 +0000 (UTC) This is apparently an infomercial thing. I assume someone is doing house cleaning? I haven't been 'living under a rock'. However I don't choose to waste my time watching media stuff much because 90 some percent of it is either overt advertisement which is a waste of my time and clutters up the mind with useless non-sense..... OR it's functional advertisement/brainwashing towards the end of pushing a group's political agenda. So I choose to just do what makes good mathmatical sense and have none of it in my life pretty much. Call that 'living under a rock' if you will. Personally I think the people subjecting themselves to it need some form of re-education. hehe. Anyway so no. I don't know about the truth OR the lies that preceded by implication....behind 'the secret'. Nor do I care to start an account on some system to find out what the heck it is and get signed up for some spam generator or something :-) -Bob Dan wrote: >Note: forwarded message attached. > > > > >____________________________________________________________________________________ >TV dinner still cooling? >Check out "Tonight's Picks" on Yahoo! TV. >http://tv.yahoo.com/ > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: > the truth behind The Secret... > From: > "** Tellman **" > Date: > Fri, 06 Apr 2007 13:23:51 -0500 > To: > "Daniel Albertini" > > To: > "Daniel Albertini" > > >Daniel, > >Unless you've been >living under a rock, > >(and maybe even if >you have)... > >I'm sure you've heard of >the wildly popular film >The Secret... > >They're talking about it on >CNN, Oprah, Larry King, >Show Biz Tonight and >The New York Times... > >But what you haven't >heard is... > >the REAL story >behind The Secret... > >http://overcomeeverything.com/thesecret > >from the only person >who can really tell >you the truth... > >it's creator... > >her name is Rhonda >Byrne, and this is one >of only two interviews >she will give in 2007... > >get your ticket here: > >http://overcomeeverything.com/thesecret > >If you ever wanted to know ... > >* the inside story behind >the creation and unfolding >of The Secret... > >* the never-before-revealed >way she used the principles >of The Secret to turn the movie >into a global phenomenon... > >* how 6 million people in >Ghana, Africa were able >to experience The Secret >because of this principle... > >* the surprising plans for >The Secret II... > >then this is your chance to >get the behind-the-scenes >"secrets behind The Secret"! > >http://overcomeeverything.com/thesecret > >This is a once-in-a-lifetime >chance to get on the line >with the film's creator LIVE... > >Just log-in with your name >and email address and follow >the simple instructions: > >http://overcomeeverything.com/thesecret > >See you on this exciting call! > >--Tellman > >PS >The publicity for this interview >is massive so space is very >limited... With millions of >promotional emails going out >the capacity for this call will >be maxed out fast!...so hurry > >http://overcomeeverything.com/thesecret >ADD Gold > >972 Putney Rd >Brattelboro, VT >05301 >US > > >If you no longer wish to receive communication from us: >http://autocontactor.com/app/r.asp?ID=65584297&ARID=0 > >To update your contact information: >http://autocontactor.com/app/r.asp?c=1&ID=65584297 > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 6 19:22:37 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 56E713BEF9; Fri, 6 Apr 2007 19:22:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=c6uGm6Yp1cgDVQBdQZSJ0h69QQl/PoWbxDaWV9tRNJMhifGXs0ZRAaUZ9xLDb98o1b0X7+BXJ0nzbIfRq/F+3lilkruXQ2Mqbnnjgxy1XmqLYjp/OvSo0Nx043ROWoivKUpPmpMo8wIij/zk28mADzpEzqNImiGPiHuBMWS3tBI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=jujNV7yVzrTZGUFitQMWGFbMlXJKocnNyf2A7p7MwAvVG7Cn82fGSHzg2wmSdegUfSdZPcs1qtziMCipGUndXNdUzCjPg9pJzEdxTg1ZBhPYUd9C0WwEAwbTuoyRutkjW8hVRwr47fSCBy/TfPNTLEEUD+YieIyv2NwmXJbdEI8= Message-ID: <9ff9c5d10704061222i1288373fne977ce5b5dcf8c6@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2007 12:22:34 -0700 From: "Nic Roozeboom" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: delete from mailing lidt In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_15892_4907857.1175887354319" References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69386 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2007 19:22:37 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_15892_4907857.1175887354319 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline To unsubscribe, send mail with the word "unsubscribe" in both the subject and body, and no sig files or anything else, to: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com If you are on the digest version of Looper's Delight, send your unsubscribe request to: Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com Don't send your unsubscribe message to the list, or people will make fun of you and you will feel like a dork. *I'm having trouble subscribing/unsubscribing to the list. 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    "SEIZE THE DAY" "BE YOURSELF" "LIVE IN THE MOMENT"

    Changing Lives Through Music




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    http://fractal.bebo.com/ ------=_Part_15892_4907857.1175887354319-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 6 20:07:28 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EACB33BEFB; Fri, 6 Apr 2007 20:07:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <4616A57A.4020806@imt.net> References: <112647.99978.qm@web33608.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4616A57A.4020806@imt.net> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1-14308950 Message-Id: <50fd30c9c08b32129bc21bbece0eed89@glasswing.com> From: Richard Sales Subject: Re: the truth behind The Secret... www.pittsburgchiropractic.com (ONE of my not so secret secrets!) - God Bless Richly!!!! Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2007 13:06:44 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69387 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2007 20:07:27 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-1-14308950 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed I too thought it was funky. I've seen the movie and thought it had some good points and some moderately disgusting 'feed the materialist fantasy' bad points. But sending an email to the loopers about it is not terribly appropriate. Possibly the intention is good - to help the impoverished musicians. But while 'intention' has gotten some fabulous press lately, it does not always equal doing the right thing. My intention with this email is not to trash Dan. I think he meant well. Us humans, we walk on two legs but live on fo' paws richard sales glassWing farm and studio vancouver island, b.c. 800.545.6846 250.752.4816 www.glassWing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com On 6-Apr-07, at 12:54 PM, Bob Weigel wrote: > This is apparently an infomercial thing. I assume someone is doing > house cleaning? I haven't been 'living under a rock'. However I > don't choose to waste my time watching media stuff much because 90 > some percent of it is either overt advertisement which is a waste of > my time and clutters up the mind with useless non-sense..... OR it's > functional advertisement/brainwashing towards the end of pushing a > group's political agenda. So I choose to just do what makes good > mathmatical sense and have none of it in my life pretty much. Call > that 'living under a rock' if you will. Personally I think the people > subjecting themselves to it need some form of re-education. hehe. > Anyway so no. I don't know about the truth OR the lies that preceded > by implication....behind 'the secret'. Nor do I care to start an > account on some system to find out what the heck it is and get signed > up for some spam generator or something :-) -Bob > > Dan wrote: > >> Note: forwarded message attached. >> >> >> >> ______________________________________________________________________ >> ______________ >> TV dinner still cooling? Check out "Tonight's Picks" on Yahoo! TV. >> http://tv.yahoo.com/ >> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> -- >> >> Subject: >> the truth behind The Secret... >> From: >> "** Tellman **" >> Date: >> Fri, 06 Apr 2007 13:23:51 -0500 >> To: >> "Daniel Albertini" >> >> To: >> "Daniel Albertini" >> >> >> Daniel, >> >> Unless you've been living under a rock, >> >> (and maybe even if >> you have)... >> >> I'm sure you've heard of the wildly popular film The Secret... >> >> They're talking about it on >> CNN, Oprah, Larry King, >> Show Biz Tonight and The New York Times... >> >> But what you haven't heard is... >> >> the REAL story behind The Secret... >> >> http://overcomeeverything.com/thesecret >> >> from the only person who can really tell you the truth... >> >> it's creator... >> >> her name is Rhonda >> Byrne, and this is one >> of only two interviews >> she will give in 2007... >> >> get your ticket here: >> >> http://overcomeeverything.com/thesecret >> >> If you ever wanted to know ... >> >> * the inside story behind the creation and unfolding of The Secret... >> * the never-before-revealed way she used the principles of The Secret >> to turn the movie >> into a global phenomenon... >> * how 6 million people in Ghana, Africa were able >> to experience The Secret >> because of this principle... >> >> * the surprising plans for The Secret II... >> >> then this is your chance to get the behind-the-scenes "secrets behind >> The Secret"! >> >> http://overcomeeverything.com/thesecret >> >> This is a once-in-a-lifetime >> chance to get on the line >> with the film's creator LIVE... >> >> Just log-in with your name and email address and follow the simple >> instructions: >> >> http://overcomeeverything.com/thesecret >> >> See you on this exciting call! >> >> --Tellman >> >> PS The publicity for this interview is massive so space is very >> limited... With millions of promotional emails going out the capacity >> for this call will be maxed out fast!...so hurry >> >> http://overcomeeverything.com/thesecret >> ADD Gold >> 972 Putney Rd >> Brattelboro, VT >> 05301 >> US >> >> >> If you no longer wish to receive communication from us: >> http://autocontactor.com/app/r.asp?ID=65584297&ARID=0 >> >> To update your contact information: >> http://autocontactor.com/app/r.asp?c=1&ID=65584297 >> >> >> > --Apple-Mail-1-14308950 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=US-ASCII I too thought it was funky. I've seen the movie and thought it had some good points and some moderately disgusting 'feed the materialist fantasy' bad points. But sending an email to the loopers about it is not terribly appropriate. Possibly the intention is good - to help the impoverished musicians. But while 'intention' has gotten some fabulous press lately, it does not always equal doing the right thing. My intention with this email is not to trash Dan. I think he meant well. Us humans, we walk on two legs but live on fo' paws Gadgetrichard sales 7373,7F7F,C5C5glassWing farm and studio vancouver island, b.c. 800.545.6846 250.752.4816C3C3,9696,1C1C www.glassWing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com On 6-Apr-07, at 12:54 PM, Bob Weigel wrote: This is apparently an infomercial thing. I assume someone is doing house cleaning? I haven't been 'living under a rock'. However I don't choose to waste my time watching media stuff much because 90 some percent of it is either overt advertisement which is a waste of my time and clutters up the mind with useless non-sense..... OR it's functional advertisement/brainwashing towards the end of pushing a group's political agenda. So I choose to just do what makes good mathmatical sense and have none of it in my life pretty much. Call that 'living under a rock' if you will. Personally I think the people subjecting themselves to it need some form of re-education. hehe. Anyway so no. I don't know about the truth OR the lies that preceded by implication....behind 'the secret'. Nor do I care to start an account on some system to find out what the heck it is and get signed up for some spam generator or something :-) -Bob Dan wrote: Note: forwarded message attached. ____________________________________________________________________________________ TV dinner still cooling? Check out "Tonight's Picks" on Yahoo! TV. http://tv.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Subject: the truth behind The Secret... From: "** Tellman **" < Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2007 13:23:51 -0500 To: "Daniel Albertini" < To: "Daniel Albertini" < Daniel, Unless you've been living under a rock, (and maybe even if you have)... I'm sure you've heard of the wildly popular film The Secret... They're talking about it on CNN, Oprah, Larry King, Show Biz Tonight and The New York Times... But what you haven't heard is... the REAL story behind The Secret... http://overcomeeverything.com/thesecret from the only person who can really tell you the truth... it's creator... her name is Rhonda Byrne, and this is one of only two interviews she will give in 2007... get your ticket here: http://overcomeeverything.com/thesecret If you ever wanted to know ... * the inside story behind the creation and unfolding of The Secret... * the never-before-revealed way she used the principles of The Secret to turn the movie into a global phenomenon... * how 6 million people in Ghana, Africa were able to experience The Secret because of this principle... * the surprising plans for The Secret II... then this is your chance to get the behind-the-scenes "secrets behind The Secret"! http://overcomeeverything.com/thesecret This is a once-in-a-lifetime chance to get on the line with the film's creator LIVE... Just log-in with your name and email address and follow the simple instructions: http://overcomeeverything.com/thesecret See you on this exciting call! --Tellman PS The publicity for this interview is massive so space is very limited... With millions of promotional emails going out the capacity for this call will be maxed out fast!...so hurry http://overcomeeverything.com/thesecret ADD Gold 972 Putney Rd Brattelboro, VT 05301 US If you no longer wish to receive communication from us: http://autocontactor.com/app/r.asp?ID=65584297&ARID=0 To update your contact information: http://autocontactor.com/app/r.asp?c=1&ID=65584297 --Apple-Mail-1-14308950-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 6 20:14:02 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 44A5F3BF04; Fri, 6 Apr 2007 20:14:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4616B86C.1000704@imt.net> Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2007 14:15:24 -0700 From: Bob Weigel User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: the truth behind The Secret... www.pittsburgchiropractic.com (ONE of my not so secret secrets!) - God Bless Richly!!!! References: <112647.99978.qm@web33608.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4616A57A.4020806@imt.net> <50fd30c9c08b32129bc21bbece0eed89@glasswing.com> In-Reply-To: <50fd30c9c08b32129bc21bbece0eed89@glasswing.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69388 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2007 20:14:02 +0000 (UTC) Yeah I'm not well read enough in the group to know Dan...I just assumed it was the typical thing where someone signed up to spam the group or something. If he's a regular poster I would assume it's a one time message about something important to him which as human beings I think we all should tolerate for sure :-). -Bob Richard Sales wrote: > I too thought it was funky. I've seen the movie and thought it had > some good points and some moderately disgusting 'feed the materialist > fantasy' bad points. But sending an email to the loopers about it is > not terribly appropriate. Possibly the intention is good - to help the > impoverished musicians. But while 'intention' has gotten some fabulous > press lately, it does not always equal doing the right thing. > > My intention with this email is not to trash Dan. I think he meant well. > > Us humans, we walk on two legs but live on fo' paws > > richard sales > glassWing farm and studio > vancouver island, b.c. > 800.545.6846 > 250.752.4816 > www.glassWing.com > www.richardsales.com > www.hayleysales.com > www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com > On 6-Apr-07, at 12:54 PM, Bob Weigel wrote: > > This is apparently an infomercial thing. I assume someone is doing > house cleaning? I haven't been 'living under a rock'. However I > don't choose to waste my time watching media stuff much because 90 > some percent of it is either overt advertisement which is a waste > of my time and clutters up the mind with useless non-sense..... OR > it's functional advertisement/brainwashing towards the end of > pushing a group's political agenda. So I choose to just do what > makes good mathmatical sense and have none of it in my life pretty > much. Call that 'living under a rock' if you will. Personally I > think the people subjecting themselves to it need some form of > re-education. hehe. Anyway so no. I don't know about the truth OR > the lies that preceded by implication....behind 'the secret'. Nor > do I care to start an account on some system to find out what the > heck it is and get signed up for some spam generator or something > :-) -Bob > > Dan wrote: > > Note: forwarded message attached. > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > > TV dinner still cooling? Check out "Tonight's Picks" on Yahoo! > TV. > http://tv.yahoo.com/ > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > Subject: > the truth behind The Secret... > From: > "** Tellman **" > Date: > Fri, 06 Apr 2007 13:23:51 -0500 > To: > "Daniel Albertini" > > To: > "Daniel Albertini" > > > Daniel, > > Unless you've been living under a rock, > > (and maybe even if > you have)... > > I'm sure you've heard of the wildly popular film The Secret... > > They're talking about it on > CNN, Oprah, Larry King, > Show Biz Tonight and The New York Times... > > But what you haven't heard is... > > the REAL story behind The Secret... > > http://overcomeeverything.com/thesecret > > from the only person who can really tell you the truth... > > it's creator... > > her name is Rhonda > Byrne, and this is one > of only two interviews > she will give in 2007... > > get your ticket here: > > http://overcomeeverything.com/thesecret > > If you ever wanted to know ... > > * the inside story behind the creation and unfolding of The > Secret... > * the never-before-revealed way she used the principles of The > Secret to turn the movie > into a global phenomenon... > * how 6 million people in Ghana, Africa were able > to experience The Secret > because of this principle... > > * the surprising plans for The Secret II... > > then this is your chance to get the behind-the-scenes "secrets > behind The Secret"! > > http://overcomeeverything.com/thesecret > > This is a once-in-a-lifetime > chance to get on the line > with the film's creator LIVE... > > Just log-in with your name and email address and follow the > simple instructions: > > http://overcomeeverything.com/thesecret > > See you on this exciting call! > > --Tellman > > PS The publicity for this interview is massive so space is > very limited... With millions of promotional emails going out > the capacity for this call will be maxed out fast!...so hurry > > http://overcomeeverything.com/thesecret > ADD Gold > 972 Putney Rd > Brattelboro, VT > 05301 > US > > > If you no longer wish to receive communication from us: > http://autocontactor.com/app/r.asp?ID=65584297&ARID=0 > > To update your contact information: > http://autocontactor.com/app/r.asp?c=1&ID=65584297 > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 6 20:16:41 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 321733BF04; Fri, 6 Apr 2007 20:16:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <1175890599.4616aaa714819@webmail.musetrap.com> Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2007 15:16:39 -0500 From: cpr@musetrap.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: the truth behind The Secret... www.pittsburgchiropractic.com (ONE of my not so secret secrets!) - God Bless Richly!!!! References: <112647.99978.qm@web33608.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4616A57A.4020806@imt.net> <50fd30c9c08b32129bc21bbece0eed89@glasswing.com> In-Reply-To: <50fd30c9c08b32129bc21bbece0eed89@glasswing.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.2.2 X-Originating-IP: 208.49.125.142 Resent-Message-ID: <-Rb7gC.A.9JH.oqqFGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69389 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2007 20:16:41 +0000 (UTC) Hey Guys, I emailed Dan off list and explained the whole 'spam' to him... here is his response... "Oh wow I see I am so sorry about posting it to loopers delight, that was definitely a mistake, I hope in some way it will work out for the better." peace -cpr Quoting Richard Sales : > I too thought it was funky. I've seen the movie and thought it had > some good points and some moderately disgusting 'feed the materialist > fantasy' bad points. But sending an email to the loopers about it is > not terribly appropriate. Possibly the intention is good - to help the > impoverished musicians. But while 'intention' has gotten some fabulous > press lately, it does not always equal doing the right thing. > > My intention with this email is not to trash Dan. I think he meant > well. > > Us humans, we walk on two legs but live on fo' paws > > richard sales > glassWing farm and studio > vancouver island, b.c. > 800.545.6846 > 250.752.4816 > www.glassWing.com > www.richardsales.com > www.hayleysales.com > www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com > On 6-Apr-07, at 12:54 PM, Bob Weigel wrote: > > > This is apparently an infomercial thing. I assume someone is doing > > house cleaning? I haven't been 'living under a rock'. However I > > don't choose to waste my time watching media stuff much because 90 > > some percent of it is either overt advertisement which is a waste of > > my time and clutters up the mind with useless non-sense..... OR it's > > functional advertisement/brainwashing towards the end of pushing a > > group's political agenda. So I choose to just do what makes good > > mathmatical sense and have none of it in my life pretty much. Call > > that 'living under a rock' if you will. Personally I think the people > > subjecting themselves to it need some form of re-education. hehe. > > Anyway so no. I don't know about the truth OR the lies that preceded > > by implication....behind 'the secret'. Nor do I care to start an > > account on some system to find out what the heck it is and get signed > > up for some spam generator or something :-) -Bob > > > > Dan wrote: > > > >> Note: forwarded message attached. > >> > >> > >> > >> ______________________________________________________________________ > >> ______________ > >> TV dinner still cooling? Check out "Tonight's Picks" on Yahoo! TV. > >> http://tv.yahoo.com/ > >> > >> > >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> -- > >> > >> Subject: > >> the truth behind The Secret... > >> From: > >> "** Tellman **" > >> Date: > >> Fri, 06 Apr 2007 13:23:51 -0500 > >> To: > >> "Daniel Albertini" > >> > >> To: > >> "Daniel Albertini" > >> > >> > >> Daniel, > >> > >> Unless you've been living under a rock, > >> > >> (and maybe even if > >> you have)... > >> > >> I'm sure you've heard of the wildly popular film The Secret... > >> > >> They're talking about it on > >> CNN, Oprah, Larry King, > >> Show Biz Tonight and The New York Times... > >> > >> But what you haven't heard is... > >> > >> the REAL story behind The Secret... > >> > >> http://overcomeeverything.com/thesecret > >> > >> from the only person who can really tell you the truth... > >> > >> it's creator... > >> > >> her name is Rhonda > >> Byrne, and this is one > >> of only two interviews > >> she will give in 2007... > >> > >> get your ticket here: > >> > >> http://overcomeeverything.com/thesecret > >> > >> If you ever wanted to know ... > >> > >> * the inside story behind the creation and unfolding of The Secret... > >> * the never-before-revealed way she used the principles of The Secret > >> to turn the movie > >> into a global phenomenon... > >> * how 6 million people in Ghana, Africa were able > >> to experience The Secret > >> because of this principle... > >> > >> * the surprising plans for The Secret II... > >> > >> then this is your chance to get the behind-the-scenes "secrets behind > >> The Secret"! > >> > >> http://overcomeeverything.com/thesecret > >> > >> This is a once-in-a-lifetime > >> chance to get on the line > >> with the film's creator LIVE... > >> > >> Just log-in with your name and email address and follow the simple > >> instructions: > >> > >> http://overcomeeverything.com/thesecret > >> > >> See you on this exciting call! > >> > >> --Tellman > >> > >> PS The publicity for this interview is massive so space is very > >> limited... With millions of promotional emails going out the capacity > >> for this call will be maxed out fast!...so hurry > >> > >> http://overcomeeverything.com/thesecret > >> ADD Gold > >> 972 Putney Rd > >> Brattelboro, VT > >> 05301 > >> US > >> > >> > >> If you no longer wish to receive communication from us: > >> http://autocontactor.com/app/r.asp?ID=65584297&ARID=0 > >> > >> To update your contact information: > >> http://autocontactor.com/app/r.asp?c=1&ID=65584297 > >> > >> > >> > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 6 21:01:39 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 013633BEFC; Fri, 6 Apr 2007 21:01:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4616B52F.9000407@addcom.de> Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2007 23:01:35 +0200 From: Stefan Tiedje User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.10 (Macintosh/20070221) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Roland announce RE-20 'space echo' References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <65vXRC.A.5DB.yUrFGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69390 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2007 21:01:38 +0000 (UTC) Larry C Tremblay schrieb: > > Have you tried to plug it in? Maybe the power supply is dead. Yes, at least the lamp is glowing. I have to get some tape, to try it out. I'll let you know... Stefan -- Stefan Tiedje------------x------- --_____-----------|-------------- --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()------- -- _|_)----|-----()-------------- ----------()--------www.ccmix.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 6 21:10:20 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 02E3B3BF01; Fri, 6 Apr 2007 21:10:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4616B738.3080100@addcom.de> Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2007 23:10:16 +0200 From: Stefan Tiedje User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.10 (Macintosh/20070221) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Roland announce RE-20 'space echo' References: <1BB076E4C332F9469148F41725F17A72021360BD@MTVNE-EXCLUST02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> In-Reply-To: <1BB076E4C332F9469148F41725F17A72021360BD@MTVNE-EXCLUST02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69391 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2007 21:10:20 +0000 (UTC) Goddard, Duncan schrieb: > damn fine bit of roadkill, that. be sure & let the local police know > too- it might have been boosted from a local studio! For sure not, it looked like not have been used for years, and was piled up with junk for the garbage collection. Incredible what people throw away probably not knowing what it is... Stefan -- Stefan Tiedje------------x------- --_____-----------|-------------- --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()------- -- _|_)----|-----()-------------- ----------()--------www.ccmix.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 6 21:12:34 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7FE863BEFC; Fri, 6 Apr 2007 21:12:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4616B7C0.2030002@addcom.de> Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2007 23:12:32 +0200 From: Stefan Tiedje User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.10 (Macintosh/20070221) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Looper's delight podcast on line (11 episodes) References: <017c01c77779$a00eef70$e701a8c0@pcfabio> <0aac01c777ba$56420c60$a6cbf40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> In-Reply-To: <0aac01c777ba$56420c60$a6cbf40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69392 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2007 21:12:34 +0000 (UTC) Krispen Hartung schrieb: > For the life of me, I can't figure out how to open this in iTunes. Where > do you past the URL? I even tried saving the file, but it won't import it. Firefox asks me with wich application to open, I choose iTunes and off it goes. Great, just listening to Bernhard Wagner. I enjoy this a lot... Stefan -- Stefan Tiedje------------x------- --_____-----------|-------------- --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()------- -- _|_)----|-----()-------------- ----------()--------www.ccmix.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 6 22:06:52 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 828863BF0B; Fri, 6 Apr 2007 22:06:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com In-Reply-To: <4616B52F.9000407@addcom.de> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Roland announce RE-20 'space echo' MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Lotus Notes 652HF83 November 04, 2004 From: Larry C Tremblay X-MIMETrack: S/MIME Sign by Notes Client on Larry C Tremblay/GTS/CSC(652HF83|November 04, 2004) at 04/06/2007 06:06:49 PM, Serialize by Notes Client on Larry C Tremblay/GTS/CSC(652HF83|November 04, 2004) at 04/06/2007 06:06:49 PM, Serialize complete at 04/06/2007 06:06:49 PM, S/MIME Sign failed at 04/06/2007 06:06:49 PM: The cryptographic key was not found, Serialize by Router on AMER-GW09/SRV/CSC(Release 7.0.2FP1 HF16|January 29, 2007) at 04/06/2007 06:05:36 PM, Serialize complete at 04/06/2007 06:05:36 PM Message-ID: Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2007 18:06:47 -0400 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=_alternative 00797996852572B5_=" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69393 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2007 22:06:52 +0000 (UTC) This is a multipart message in MIME format. --=_alternative 00797996852572B5_= Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Thanks. - Larry Stefan Tiedje 04/06/2007 05:01 PM Please respond to Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com To Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com cc Subject Re: Roland announce RE-20 'space echo' Larry C Tremblay schrieb: > > Have you tried to plug it in? Maybe the power supply is dead. Yes, at least the lamp is glowing. I have to get some tape, to try it out. I'll let you know... Stefan -- Stefan Tiedje------------x------- --_____-----------|-------------- --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()------- -- _|_)----|-----()-------------- ----------()--------www.ccmix.com --=_alternative 00797996852572B5_= Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII"
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    Larry C Tremblay schrieb:
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    > Have you tried to plug it in? Maybe the power supply is dead.

    Yes, at least the lamp is glowing. I have to get some tape, to try it
    out. I'll let you know...

    Stefan

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    --=_alternative 00797996852572B5_=-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 6 22:49:50 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C9C573BF04; Fri, 6 Apr 2007 22:49:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-SBRS: None X-SenderGroup: RELAYLIST X-MailFlowPolicy: $RELAYED X-MID: 679488104 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C7789D.E12C609B" Subject: RE: Bob Sellon's new Looper PRO ROM for Jamman!!! Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2007 23:45:29 +0100 Message-ID: <1BB076E4C332F9469148F41725F17A720204DDBF@MTVNE-EXCLUST02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Bob Sellon's new Looper PRO ROM for Jamman!!! Thread-Index: Acd4nUafXMY41+MdS7eu2LV65ZkVmg== References: From: "Goddard, Duncan" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Apr 2007 22:49:48.0891 (UTC) FILETIME=[E153C2B0:01C7789D] Resent-Message-ID: <0DlEuB.A.C6E.O6sFGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69394 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2007 22:49:50 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C7789D.E12C609B Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable >>It does requite a few simple mods to the jamman, like populating the = empty PRAM socket (69=A2)<< actually it doesn't, or at least it didn't when I bought my upgrade roms = from mr sellon, along with his CD... :-) the p-ram would probably help = an advanced user to save a number of configs, but the updated software = works fine without it.=20 I have to admit, I gave up with the new version, though- there just = isn't enough UI for the extra functions, for my ten cents. the one I = really liked was being able to switch back & forth between looper & = delay modes. my guitarist can't get his head round the multiple page = thing- he got upset (initially, anyway) when I expanded his machine to = 32 seconds.... :-) duncan. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C7789D.E12C609B Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: Bob Sellon's new Looper PRO ROM for Jamman!!!

    >>It does requite a few simple mods to the = jamman, like populating the empty PRAM socket (69=A2)<<

    actually it doesn't, or at least it didn't when I bought my upgrade roms = from mr sellon, along with his CD... :-) the p-ram would probably help = an advanced user to save a number of configs, but the updated software = works fine without it.
    I have to admit, I gave up with the new version, though- there just = isn't enough UI for the extra functions, for my ten cents. the one I = really liked was being able to switch back & forth between looper = & delay modes. my guitarist can't get his head round the multiple = page thing- he got upset (initially, anyway) when I expanded his machine = to 32 seconds.... :-)

    duncan.

    ------_=_NextPart_001_01C7789D.E12C609B-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Apr 7 17:06:47 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EE20F3BF04; Sat, 7 Apr 2007 17:06:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.no; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=nVYuZVwTYBkC8x73ywtKJ9pUlEu5Yif/NVpFtFqmY+E+B1qOD/Tv82N3UBtV4n9xPgP4i8IkwZH/nOymXG3Rreu3WSpawiuj715NKLxE+dJUYgL90Bg0JF4/5f5fwl9bgvA1+HRpyRpHwF+1piFkFj5CL9Yis742s07ZJwbpHbU=; X-YMail-OSG: FDDJIEMVM1l0wMhl_Jdy80Dvvm3542YjCGVf3cUUyvrCz5.nJQ_buCW35c482PglBSQs8WjO2HV13dRgEzl.3DR.ldN9CjGPa1qrcmIzBIx0nh3PsGCI3sI8sJ4- Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2007 19:06:44 +0200 (CEST) From: rune fagereng Subject: Mastering music To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com, midiguitar@yahoogroups.com, repeater-users@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <694362.70404.qm@web26210.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69395 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2007 17:06:46 +0000 (UTC) Hi ! I have a friend with a different studio-setup then me - both hardware and software. As a part of his gear there is a mastering-effect - its one where you can see the soundfiles when working with them. My software - ableton also has some effects called masteringeffects - but I cant get the punch and "closeness" like he get - when mastering even my music. Does anyone have tip on mastering - and masteringeffects that works with mac and ableton ? Rune F. www.runefagereng.com www.myspace.com/runefagereng www.youtube.com/watch?v=bOHN4az59A0 Mail:rune_fagereng@yahoo.no Mob: 917 95 867 _________________________________________________________ Alt i én. Få Yahoo! Mail med adressekartotek, kalender og notisblokk. http://no.mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Apr 7 17:28:33 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E98A53BF02; Sat, 7 Apr 2007 17:28:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: AW: Mastering music (OT topic!) Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2007 19:28:47 +0200 Organization: Moinlabs Message-ID: <000f01c7793a$3368aab0$1001a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: Acd5Nx/6XISQ1/ORSre9PAp5KbKVnwAARqww X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 In-Reply-To: <694362.70404.qm@web26210.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> X-RZG-AUTH: lUESeo99iNzPL8kuBgLYdKEqUywq9cxqeRA+BtFcSCD5deQ7OINJAdl2YrM= X-RZG-CLASS-ID: mo07 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69396 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2007 17:28:32 +0000 (UTC) Welcome to the dark voodoo of audio mastering, Rune. There is no quick rundown on this very topic, nor would I imagine a space for it here, at least not in all its necessary depth. As for information sources, there are a few knowledgeable people on recording.org. For instant gratification, I'd recommend getting a TC Electronics Finalizer. As for the process: Mastering (or pre-mastering as it's precisely called) is the step in working on your audio right before it goes to your destination medium. Its goal is to make the audio experience enjoyable for the listeners. Usually, you won't do anything related to mastering within Ableton - and if you still do, a mastering engineer to whom you give your material for production will slap you silly. A proper way of doing things would be to record a clean mix in you DAW application in a "deep" format (meaning 32 bit) and then doing the mastering in a completely separate step - in an audio editor as WaveLab or Sequoia using dedicated plugins, or even using outboard - mostly analogue - hardware altogether. A primer recommended by a cat on recording.org is http://www.diplo.co.uk/music/mastering.php, but as always, take the gospel with a grain of salt. And make sure to master in your bedroom after a restless night of sleep - an unmade bed is by far the cheapest efficient bass trap for tuning your room acoustics! > Does anyone have tip on mastering - and > masteringeffects that works with mac and ableton ? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Apr 7 17:43:24 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3BC8D3BF00; Sat, 7 Apr 2007 17:43:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <694362.70404.qm@web26210.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> References: <694362.70404.qm@web26210.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-11-92100379 Message-Id: From: Richard Sales Subject: Re: Mastering music Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2007 10:43:15 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69397 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2007 17:43:24 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-11-92100379 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed The standard mastering plug in these days is Waves Ultramaximizer. Not sure what the latest edition of it might be called. It works well for this. Don't know if it works with Ableton. I use an antique version of the Ultramaximizer- the L1 - and it works well if you don't over do it. I've gotten good comments on my mastering. Hah! It makes me chuckle. They also have a hardware version that I hear is quite cool. Don't know what it costs. I think their URL is www.waves.com happy hunting!! richard sales glassWing farm and studio vancouver island, b.c. 800.545.6846 250.752.4816 www.glassWing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com On 7-Apr-07, at 10:06 AM, rune fagereng wrote: > Hi ! > > I have a friend with a different studio-setup then me > - both hardware and software. As a part of his gear > there is a mastering-effect - its one where you can > see the soundfiles when working with them. My software > - ableton also has some effects called > masteringeffects - but I cant get the punch and > "closeness" like he get - when mastering even my > music. --Apple-Mail-11-92100379 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=US-ASCII The standard mastering plug in these days is Waves Ultramaximizer. Not sure what the latest edition of it might be called. It works well for this. Don't know if it works with Ableton. I use an antique version of the Ultramaximizer- the L1 - and it works well if you don't over do it. I've gotten good comments on my mastering. Hah! It makes me chuckle. They also have a hardware version that I hear is quite cool. Don't know what it costs. I think their URL is www.waves.com happy hunting!! Gadgetrichard sales 7373,7F7F,C5C5glassWing farm and studio vancouver island, b.c. 800.545.6846 250.752.4816C3C3,9696,1C1C www.glassWing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com On 7-Apr-07, at 10:06 AM, rune fagereng wrote: Hi ! I have a friend with a different studio-setup then me - both hardware and software. As a part of his gear there is a mastering-effect - its one where you can see the soundfiles when working with them. My software - ableton also has some effects called masteringeffects - but I cant get the punch and "closeness" like he get - when mastering even my music. --Apple-Mail-11-92100379-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Apr 7 18:50:16 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B3D143BF0F; Sat, 7 Apr 2007 18:50:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.no; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=htrPNmPSkZo0a4Wm5J4lAIVvDua9N3+gZn3VR04gWG15RupjXSWYvEbMOkoFRDDxlXs3PlZo3ad9Fi4gQ0COYRwUjyXNXmCSx4vQsOUpv+3rXHRBu27aGbL22p0PxrX9jxQe7PE6+LXQyDI1Tb/pHE+94NaZAgNA6bNNNJre92M=; X-YMail-OSG: a8ZYLHkVM1ltWIEaHgOXKNMlqv__.s9zUmc6GNXuhK5AVNJnVo1o0dGqMNVXcX90.1LyAEW2uAohyNLhaLVzfIcpJO29.EtYBd12mWWIS3UGYICppbYHmCLkhdg- Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2007 20:50:14 +0200 (CEST) From: rune fagereng Subject: Re: AW: Mastering music (OT topic!) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <000f01c7793a$3368aab0$1001a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <765853.92146.qm@web26203.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69398 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2007 18:50:16 +0000 (UTC) Hi ! Thanks. Best regards of Rune F. --- Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill skrev: > Welcome to the dark voodoo of audio mastering, Rune. > > There is no quick rundown on this very topic, nor > would I imagine a space > for it here, at least not in all its necessary > depth. > > As for information sources, there are a few > knowledgeable people on > recording.org. > > For instant gratification, I'd recommend getting a > TC Electronics Finalizer. > > As for the process: > > Mastering (or pre-mastering as it's precisely > called) is the step in working > on your audio right before it goes to your > destination medium. Its goal is > to make the audio experience enjoyable for the > listeners. > > Usually, you won't do anything related to mastering > within Ableton - and if > you still do, a mastering engineer to whom you give > your material for > production will slap you silly. A proper way of > doing things would be to > record a clean mix in you DAW application in a > "deep" format (meaning 32 > bit) and then doing the mastering in a completely > separate step - in an > audio editor as WaveLab or Sequoia using dedicated > plugins, or even using > outboard - mostly analogue - hardware altogether. > > A primer recommended by a cat on recording.org is > http://www.diplo.co.uk/music/mastering.php, but as > always, take the gospel > with a grain of salt. > > And make sure to master in your bedroom after a > restless night of sleep - an > unmade bed is by far the cheapest efficient bass > trap for tuning your room > acoustics! > > > Does anyone have tip on mastering - and > > masteringeffects that works with mac and ableton ? > > www.runefagereng.com www.myspace.com/runefagereng www.youtube.com/watch?v=bOHN4az59A0 Mail:rune_fagereng@yahoo.no Mob: 917 95 867 _________________________________________________________ Alt i én. Få Yahoo! Mail med adressekartotek, kalender og notisblokk. http://no.mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Apr 7 18:51:44 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F2CBD3BF0C; Sat, 7 Apr 2007 18:51:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.no; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=SavbUQu+v8ymkGGAh7jzGUsXYQdFP1LteF4ALg8heIHeCwyCkfc0EylxH6Wf7uM2ll/WuK4A1lSycz2svjWFE4VqbGSzjdhBROWC8CGXuERi5emF9OQvbSMrPqU/X9qZgDBDCCndMD4LNmS0Ca2SaL8x37rXCrvLZ3S6W6Ewuq8= ; Message-ID: <20070407185142.87160.qmail@web26208.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: lCj3yLgVM1m9o8MJiEczLGYUmGgVRmBHwtGkmEK6FhrRBdztOZcUm8UhjnzHBZIr7M5Q6pJhWfd0TAxR93h0XOy7m6JiePMvhTszjbd05TH8.omeM.maKF0YHKw- Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2007 20:51:42 +0200 (CEST) From: rune fagereng Subject: RE: Re: Mastering music To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69399 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2007 18:51:43 +0000 (UTC) Hi ! Thanks. Rune F. --- Richard Sales skrev: > The standard mastering plug in these days is Waves > Ultramaximizer. Not > sure what the latest edition of it might be called. > It works well for > this. > > Don't know if it works with Ableton. > > I use an antique version of the Ultramaximizer- the > L1 - and it works > well if you don't over do it. I've gotten good > comments on my > mastering. Hah! It makes me chuckle. > > They also have a hardware version that I hear is > quite cool. Don't > know what it costs. > > I think their URL is > > www.waves.com > > happy hunting!! > > richard sales > glassWing farm and studio > vancouver island, b.c. > 800.545.6846 > 250.752.4816 > www.glassWing.com > www.richardsales.com > www.hayleysales.com > www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com > On 7-Apr-07, at 10:06 AM, rune fagereng wrote: > > > Hi ! > > > > I have a friend with a different studio-setup then > me > > - both hardware and software. As a part of his > gear > > there is a mastering-effect - its one where you > can > > see the soundfiles when working with them. My > software > > - ableton also has some effects called > > masteringeffects - but I cant get the punch and > > "closeness" like he get - when mastering even my > > music. > www.runefagereng.com www.myspace.com/runefagereng www.youtube.com/watch?v=bOHN4az59A0 Mail:rune_fagereng@yahoo.no Mob: 917 95 867 _________________________________________________________ Alt i én. Få Yahoo! Mail med adressekartotek, kalender og notisblokk. http://no.mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Apr 7 18:57:28 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3BC6E3BF08; Sat, 7 Apr 2007 18:57:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [4.246.45.132] X-Originating-Email: [sambacomet@hotmail.com] X-Sender: sambacomet@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <20070407170647.8096A3BF0D@arsenic.violacea.com> From: "samba -" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Living under a rock Date: Sat, 07 Apr 2007 11:57:22 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Apr 2007 18:57:25.0493 (UTC) FILETIME=[94D3D250:01C77946] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69400 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2007 18:57:28 +0000 (UTC) ...kind of amusing and tragic that folks are so mass media saturated that they assume what's current is the common point of view. I actively cut that advertising/indoctrination stuff out of my sensory field 35 years ago.Don't have a tv.,or go to hollwood flicks,or the mall.I don't buy anything new except light bulbs and toilet paper. From my point of view it's the one's who's sense of context is defined by tv movies and what's being sold at the mall who live under a rock-nothing personal,but the real world is much bigger and richer. BTW it's no secret that if you give you get. _________________________________________________________________ Mortgage rates near historic lows. 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X-Declude-Sender: qua@oregon.com [206.212.233.27] X-Declude-Spoolname: Df9a505e600007296.smd X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude JunkMail (www.declude.com) for spam. Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69401 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2007 20:02:23 +0000 (UTC) Hi Samba, Getting more difficult to fully escape, isn't it ;-) (ref to the ad for a mortgage at the bottom of your email) ;-) -Qua -----Original Message----- From: samba - [mailto:sambacomet@hotmail.com] Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2007 11:57 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Living under a rock ...kind of amusing and tragic that folks are so mass media saturated that they assume what's current is the common point of view. I actively cut that advertising/indoctrination stuff out of my sensory field 35 years ago.Don't have a tv.,or go to hollwood flicks,or the mall.I don't buy anything new except light bulbs and toilet paper. From my point of view it's the one's who's sense of context is defined by tv movies and what's being sold at the mall who live under a rock-nothing personal,but the real world is much bigger and richer. BTW it's no secret that if you give you get. _________________________________________________________________ Mortgage rates near historic lows. 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    ------=_NextPart_000_0044_01C77961.BA0D9770-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Apr 7 21:34:27 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 44C1B3BF14; Sat, 7 Apr 2007 21:34:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <46181CC7.3040209@imt.net> Date: Sat, 07 Apr 2007 15:35:51 -0700 From: Bob Weigel User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Living under a rock References: <200704071306156.SM05244@quahome> In-Reply-To: <200704071306156.SM05244@quahome> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69403 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2007 21:34:27 +0000 (UTC) Heheh. yes but I fully concur with Samba on that. So many people I talked to and people very special to me like my uncle who always enjoyed driving me around LA and talking about times in the music biz and so on... have become so indoctrinated by the media that it's really hard for them to think straight anymore. And it really saddened me that last time I was down there I guess a couple years ago now, he just blew up at me over some contrived thing and I just let him rail on me and vent and when I got back loaded up and left and haven't been back. He's in bad health and it really saddens me but what can I do? He chose who to put his trust in. If the media turns a blind eye to something...THEY turn a blind eye to it. If the media focuses on something SO do they. (eg. Bantering "And still no sign of WMD's" 50 bazillion times! To *me*...an unbiased reporter last I checked...I'd consider the lack of findings a moot point since there's no absolute way one would *expect* to find such things since a big convoy went to Syria during the foot dragging period before invasion which obviously contained *something* that was being moved in anticipation... Not that I'm for one or another type of action in this case. JUST pointing out a clear example of how the media is clearly 'yoked together' in some kind of agenda here. And of course big money people own it all..and they probably talk and plan because that's the way humans are and that's how they get rich in the first place usually :-). ) I quote some great Steve Taylor lyrics: "How do we strick it rich? Kissin' up to the powerful how do we make our pitch? sattellites by the tower full." I think there's a realization of things like this that sets people up to be able to write great songs. Music can be perceived as 'sappy' for instance...even non-lyrical music... because instrumentally it seems... oh..'disconnected' perhaps with relevance in people's lives. Sappy music is largely like by older people who want to recreate a time they once knew where the music did seem relevant to them. The way some things in the world are going, I wonder if Slayer might someday be considered 'sappy'. hehe. But anyway I believe relevant creativity is the key. As I look back on the musical past the people who really still inspire me when I listen to their old tracks aren't people who sing about how things used to be. THey're people who cut through deception and presented some aspect of life in a more clear way than I'd heard it before. Using that multi-dimensional gift of expression we call music to communicate to the soul mind and spirit. Some stuff like...late 70's vangelis for instance... though all non-lyrical pretty much, seems to communicate very powerfully. Does anyone else hear that when they listen to like "China" for instance? I mean we're talking about more than a guy playing 'chinesey sounding' sounds on his synthesizer :-). The're an order to it that expresses so many aspects of china's history and emergence into the world economy and so on. Brilliant piece of work really. (As some may not know, Vangelis is kind of a looping pioneer in a way and highly recommend studying what he did with the tools he had at the time...ie...all of them that were available at the time.. :-) ) -Bob Qua Veda wrote: > Hi Samba, >Getting more difficult to fully escape, isn't it ;-) >(ref to the ad for a mortgage at the bottom of your email) > >;-) >-Qua > >-----Original Message----- >From: samba - [mailto:sambacomet@hotmail.com] >Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2007 11:57 AM >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Living under a rock > >...kind of amusing and tragic that folks are so mass media saturated that >they assume what's current is the common point of view. I actively cut that > advertising/indoctrination stuff out of my sensory field 35 years >ago.Don't have a tv.,or go to hollwood flicks,or the mall.I don't buy >anything new except light bulbs and toilet paper. From my point of view >it's the one's who's sense of context is defined by tv movies and what's >being sold at the mall who live under a rock-nothing personal,but the real >world is much bigger and richer. > BTW it's no secret that if you give you get. > >_________________________________________________________________ >Mortgage rates near historic lows. Refinance $200,000 loan for as low as >$771/month* >https://www2.nextag.com/goto.jsp?product=100000035&url=%2fst.jsp&tm=y&search >=mortgage_text_links_88_h27f8&disc=y&vers=689&s=4056&p=5117 > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Apr 8 04:31:32 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7122B3BF15; Sun, 8 Apr 2007 04:31:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Originating-IP: [206.172.134.83] X-Originating-Email: [jjmco@sympatico.ca] Message-ID: <001c01c77996$d47c26f0$5386acce@mcdonald> Reply-To: "jerry macdonald" From: "jerry macdonald" To: References: Subject: Re: Roland announce RE-20 'space echo' Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2007 00:31:46 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0019_01C77975.4A5A12A0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Apr 2007 04:31:29.0332 (UTC) FILETIME=[C6F48F40:01C77996] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69404 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2007 04:31:32 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0019_01C77975.4A5A12A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable i have a version which hold's the 1/4 in. tape in a round plastic sorta = cassette, rather then having the tape laying open,which is the way most = space echo's were.i don't use it often,but when i do it's great,none of = the digital's in my studio, can sound like that,(it's very 60ish = delay,and thats the way i use it)i have no idea if the lenth of tape = that your's takes,makes a differance,but yes i just use ampeg,and it = works .(i think most musicisn's,of the era of the tape echo's never = changed tape,or at the best, very seldom) i would consider buying the re = 20 and any other vintage gear of that era.fire it up,have some = fun...Micmanus ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Larry C Tremblay=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2007 12:23 PM Subject: Re: Roland announce RE-20 'space echo' Have you tried to plug it in? Maybe the power supply is dead.=20 - Larry=20 Stefan Tiedje =20 04/05/2007 06:06 AM Please respond to Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 To Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com =20 cc =20 Subject Re: Roland announce RE-20 'space echo'=20 =20 =20 Dirk Wilbert schrieb: > Hi - I played the RE-20 today at the Musikmesse in Frankfurt. Very = nice=20 > effect, kind of warm and "vintage" sound - but I don't know how the=20 > original sounds - so I can't compare... I just found an original RE-201 on the street in front of my flat. The = tape is missing, but I guess I can throw in some 1/4 inch... Its heavy, and I am sure, beside just trying it, I won't use it. But I = looked at ebay and there seems to be quite an interest in those kind = of=20 gear. Anybody interested? I have to check if it works at all, but the pots=20 "feel" very solid and fine at least... I guess it was sitting in a cave for some years, but beside some dust = it=20 looks fine... Stefan --=20 Stefan Tiedje------------x------- --_____-----------|-------------- --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()------- -- _|_)----|-----()-------------- ----------()--------www.ccmix.com ------=_NextPart_000_0019_01C77975.4A5A12A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
    i have a version which hold's the 1/4 = in. tape in a=20 round plastic sorta cassette, rather then having the tape laying = open,which is=20 the way most space echo's were.i don't use it often,but when i do it's=20 great,none of the digital's in my studio, can sound like that,(it's very = 60ish=20 delay,and thats the way i use it)i have no idea if the lenth of tape = that your's=20 takes,makes a differance,but yes i just use ampeg,and it works .(i think = most=20 musicisn's,of the era of the tape echo's never changed tape,or at the = best, very=20 seldom) i would consider buying the re 20 and any other vintage gear of = that=20 era.fire it up,have some fun...Micmanus
    ----- Original Message -----
    From:=20 Larry C = Tremblay=20
    To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
    Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2007 = 12:23=20 PM
    Subject: Re: Roland announce = RE-20 'space=20 echo'


    Have you tried to = plug it in?=20 Maybe the power supply is dead.

    -=20 Larry



    Stefan = Tiedje <Stefan-Tiedje@addcom.de>=20

    04/05/2007 06:06 AM=20
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    Dirk Wilbert schrieb:
    > Hi - I played the RE-20 = today at the=20 Musikmesse in Frankfurt. Very nice
    > effect, kind of warm and = "vintage"=20 sound - but I don't know how the
    > original sounds - so I can't = compare...

    I just found an original RE-201 on the street in = front of my=20 flat. The
    tape is missing, but I guess I can throw in some 1/4=20 inch...
    Its heavy, and I am sure, beside just trying it, I won't = use it.=20 But I
    looked at ebay and there seems to be quite an interest in = those kind=20 of
     gear.

    Anybody interested? I have to check if it = works at=20 all, but the pots
    "feel" very solid and fine at least...

    I = guess it=20 was sitting in a cave for some years, but beside some dust it =
    looks=20 fine...

    Stefan

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    ------=_NextPart_000_0019_01C77975.4A5A12A0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Apr 8 05:01:31 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0F14C3BF1E; Sun, 8 Apr 2007 05:01:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [4.246.45.126] X-Originating-Email: [sambacomet@hotmail.com] X-Sender: sambacomet@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <20070408043132.09DA43BF24@arsenic.violacea.com> From: "samba -" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: escape is harder Date: Sat, 07 Apr 2007 22:01:26 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Apr 2007 05:01:28.0092 (UTC) FILETIME=[F7198DC0:01C7799A] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69405 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2007 05:01:31 +0000 (UTC) I had no idea the email was coming through w/ ads- I tend to screen stuff like that out.. Guess I should stop using hotmail. _________________________________________________________________ Get a FREE Web site, company branded e-mail and more from Microsoft Office Live! http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/mcrssaub0050001411mrt/direct/01/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Apr 8 14:13:00 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 875923BF18; Sun, 8 Apr 2007 14:13:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-SBRS: None X-SenderGroup: RELAYLIST X-MailFlowPolicy: $RELAYED X-MID: 566711512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C779E8.023FA983" Subject: RE: greek under a rock Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2007 15:12:58 +0100 Message-ID: <1BB076E4C332F9469148F41725F17A720204DDC2@MTVNE-EXCLUST02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: greek under a rock Thread-Index: Acd55WoVIFZqUnwHQ+e3h23u6HexIw== References: <46181CC7.3040209@imt.net> From: "Goddard, Duncan" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Apr 2007 14:12:57.0548 (UTC) FILETIME=[01F3D8C0:01C779E8] Resent-Message-ID: <_FnPVD.A.FxF.shPGGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69406 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2007 14:13:00 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C779E8.023FA983 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable >>Using that multi-dimensional gift of expression we call music to = communicate to the soul mind and spirit. Some stuff like...late 70's = vangelis for instance... though all non-lyrical pretty much, seems to = communicate very powerfully. Does anyone else hear that when they = listen to like "China" for instance? I mean we're talking about more = than a guy playing 'chinesey sounding' sounds on his synthesizer :-). = The're an order to it that expresses so many aspects of china's history = and emergence into the world economy and so on. Brilliant piece of = work really. =20 (As some may not know, Vangelis is kind of a looping pioneer in a way = and highly recommend studying what he did with the tools he had at the = time...ie...all of them that were available at the time.. :-) )<< I've been a big fan of mr papathannassiou since first hearing = aphrodite's child back in 1974. their classic last album was already = four or five years old by then, & he'd moved on to solo projects- movie = soundtracks & so forth, while his colleague (demis roussos) was becoming = an easy-listening star. vangelis preferred to work alone, only using = other musicians for vocals (famously, jon anderson of yes, & the = aforementioned mr roussos, whose voice can clearly be heard on the = "blade runner" soundtrack.) I have a large amount of vangelis' output from 1968 to about 1985.... = it's probably no coincidence that this is the non-midi period, before it = became easy for anyone with enough money to make symphonies on their = own.=20 I guess what vangelis was doing went to the limits of what one person = could achieve both technically & creatively- he manages to sound = instantly recognisable, in the way that marks a great composer, no = matter what instrument he is playing. he also manages to create a world = into which the listener is immersed, effortlessly. I hsve an album here, = for deutsche gramophon (a label normally associated with academic = readings of the classics, by big-name conductors & famous soloists) on = which mr P appears to be throwing items around in his studio, in the = general vicinity of his drums & percussion. it's /still/ an absorbing = work, & he still conveys something even with this unconventional = approach. I believe he "channels", in the way composers often do... I don't know how much looping he did though- I have a live-set from the = 70s, a bootleg of one of his rare live appearances. he's obviously = trying to do everything on his own, & uses a simple step-sequencer = (possibly an arp 16xx) which transposes occasionally in response to a = bass synth line, while he bangs around on a steinway grand with the = other hand. not for him the pre-loaded revoxes of klaus schulze et al. there are a few variations on the "blade runner" ST in circulation- one = I have here is a double CD & seems to be sketches, out-takes & bits of = sound-design he may or may not have recorded/intended for the movie. it = is like taking a vacation in the LA of 2017, as seen in the movie, but = without the plot getting in the way. fabulous. duncan. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C779E8.023FA983 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: greek under a rock

    >>Using that multi-dimensional gift of = expression we call music to communicate to the soul mind and spirit. = Some stuff like...late 70's vangelis for instance... though all = non-lyrical pretty much, seems to communicate very powerfully.  = Does anyone else hear that when they listen to like "China" = for instance?  I mean we're talking about more than a guy playing = 'chinesey sounding' sounds on his synthesizer :-).  The're an order = to it that expresses so many aspects of china's history and emergence = into the world economy and so on.   Brilliant piece of work = really. 
    (As some may not know, Vangelis is kind of a looping pioneer in a way = and highly recommend studying what he did with the tools he had at the = time...ie...all of them that were available at the time.. :-) = )<<

    I've been a big fan of mr papathannassiou since first hearing = aphrodite's child back in 1974. their classic last album was already = four or five years old by then, & he'd moved on to solo projects- = movie soundtracks & so forth, while his colleague (demis roussos) = was becoming an easy-listening star. vangelis preferred to work alone, = only using other musicians for vocals (famously, jon anderson of yes, = & the aforementioned mr roussos, whose voice can clearly be heard on = the "blade runner" soundtrack.)

    I have a large amount of vangelis' output from 1968 to about 1985.... = it's probably no coincidence that this is the non-midi period, before it = became easy for anyone with enough money to make symphonies on their = own.
    I guess what vangelis was doing went to the limits of what one person = could achieve both technically & creatively- he manages to sound = instantly recognisable, in the way that marks a great composer, no = matter what instrument he is playing. he also manages to create a world = into which the listener is immersed, effortlessly. I hsve an album here, = for deutsche gramophon (a label normally associated with academic = readings of the classics, by big-name conductors & famous soloists) = on which mr P appears to be throwing items around in his studio, in the = general vicinity of his drums & percussion. it's /still/ an = absorbing work, & he still conveys something even with this = unconventional approach.
    I believe he "channels", in the way composers often do...

    I don't know how much looping he did though- I have a live-set from the = 70s, a bootleg of one of his rare live appearances. he's obviously = trying to do everything on his own, & uses a simple step-sequencer = (possibly an arp 16xx) which transposes occasionally in response to a = bass synth line, while he bangs around on a steinway grand with the = other hand. not for him the pre-loaded revoxes of klaus schulze et = al.
    there are a few variations on the "blade runner" ST in = circulation- one I have here is a double CD & seems to be sketches, = out-takes & bits of sound-design he may or may not have = recorded/intended for the movie. it is like taking a vacation in the LA = of 2017, as seen in the movie, but without the plot getting in the way. = fabulous.

    duncan.

    ------_=_NextPart_001_01C779E8.023FA983-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Apr 8 16:02:51 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 226FB3BF23; Sun, 8 Apr 2007 16:02:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "Woz Mail" To: Subject: RE: Mastering music Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2007 01:57:24 +1000 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <694362.70404.qm@web26210.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69407 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2007 16:02:51 +0000 (UTC) I'm not sure if it works with Abelton but I use Izotope Ozone which is pretty damn good. Has an entire suite of mastering modules. I've used Waves stuff and I prefer Ozone. Cheers Woz -----Original Message----- From: rune fagereng [mailto:rune_fagereng@yahoo.no] Sent: Sunday, April 08, 2007 3:07 AM To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com; midiguitar@yahoogroups.com; repeater-users@yahoogroups.com Subject: Mastering music Hi ! I have a friend with a different studio-setup then me - both hardware and software. As a part of his gear there is a mastering-effect - its one where you can see the soundfiles when working with them. My software - ableton also has some effects called masteringeffects - but I cant get the punch and "closeness" like he get - when mastering even my music. Does anyone have tip on mastering - and masteringeffects that works with mac and ableton ? Rune F. www.runefagereng.com www.myspace.com/runefagereng www.youtube.com/watch?v=bOHN4az59A0 Mail:rune_fagereng@yahoo.no Mob: 917 95 867 _________________________________________________________ Alt i én. Få Yahoo! Mail med adressekartotek, kalender og notisblokk. http://no.mail.yahoo.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 269.0.0/751 - Release Date: 4/7/2007 10:57 PM From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Apr 8 18:12:26 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2C9243BF20; Sun, 8 Apr 2007 18:12:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <46193085.1050203@addcom.de> Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2007 20:12:21 +0200 From: Stefan Tiedje User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.10 (Macintosh/20070221) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Mastering music References: <694362.70404.qm@web26210.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69408 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2007 18:12:26 +0000 (UTC) Richard Sales schrieb: > I use an antique version of the Ultramaximizer- the L1 - and it works > well if you don't over do it. I've gotten good comments on my mastering. > Hah! It makes me chuckle. Ha, I started my mastering jobs with the L1 and Sounddesigner, later Peak, and never changed the plug-in... All clients had been happy so far... Might be all you need... I would not do it in Ableton-Live, sounds like more hassle than a dedicated editor.... Stefan -- Stefan Tiedje------------x------- --_____-----------|-------------- --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()------- -- _|_)----|-----()-------------- ----------()--------www.ccmix.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Apr 8 18:45:05 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 20F083BF28; Sun, 8 Apr 2007 18:45:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <46194695.9050608@imt.net> Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2007 12:46:29 -0700 From: Bob Weigel User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: greek under a rock References: <46181CC7.3040209@imt.net> <1BB076E4C332F9469148F41725F17A720204DDC2@MTVNE-EXCLUST02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> In-Reply-To: <1BB076E4C332F9469148F41725F17A720204DDC2@MTVNE-EXCLUST02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <8thhcD.A.3IG.wgTGGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69409 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2007 18:45:05 +0000 (UTC) The kind of 'looping' vangelis did was of course more primitive using arpegiators of course since that was the only device on his hardware capable of doing repetative things in the performance. I'm calling it 'looping' because there is an analogous aspect there. Interjecting repetative patterns into a live performance. Albeit much simpler in construction than the detailed loops were are using here today. :-). Much to be learned from listening to that stuff though for those who haven't been exposed to it. "Soil Festivities" is a great example. -Bob Goddard, Duncan wrote: > I don't know how much looping he did though- I have a live-set from > the 70s, a bootleg of one of his rare live appearances. he's obviously > trying to do everything on his own, & uses a simple step-sequencer > (possibly an arp 16xx) which transposes occasionally in response to a > bass synth line, while he bangs around on a steinway grand with the > other hand. not for him the pre-loaded revoxes of klaus schulze et al. > there are a few variations on the "blade runner" ST in circulation- > one I have here is a double CD & seems to be sketches, out-takes & > bits of sound-design he may or may not have recorded/intended for the > movie. it is like taking a vacation in the LA of 2017, as seen in the > movie, but without the plot getting in the way. fabulous. > > duncan. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Apr 8 20:36:09 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id ECB723BF27; Sun, 8 Apr 2007 20:36:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.no; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=Z8QYYzNOJOpRSN7T0P/nCVU7N7LJ/rn6wTGk63ithE2KBibvIwULjEKa3uhWJbuOrRBdiMlGKk42KFn+x7RUgU/GgeP0HTQKJQyFwVBz3XapFI+6OsEqqLfvNcmAzG3DPZYBNs4ki9YUfrCl3xLV1QIyVJ7vywfC3R830STWxsc=; X-YMail-OSG: GYApd0kVM1kcFwVnpYSzdb12wnV8ovmA7fmscLDsSGUJ3ZDLBOYBozLPQsZAYaMa5S49rdwNygyoEIDqTplLkBsdx.DgpytW8672hIgJuBcBYA4kFKhJdi5u3y0- Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2007 22:36:06 +0200 (CEST) From: rune fagereng Subject: Re: Re: Mastering music To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <46193085.1050203@addcom.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <831356.36245.qm@web26215.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: <-GWYlB.A.CDD.4IVGGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69410 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2007 20:36:08 +0000 (UTC) Thanks ! Rune F. --- Stefan Tiedje skrev: > Richard Sales schrieb: > > I use an antique version of the Ultramaximizer- > the L1 - and it works > > well if you don't over do it. I've gotten good > comments on my mastering. > > Hah! It makes me chuckle. > > Ha, I started my mastering jobs with the L1 and > Sounddesigner, later > Peak, and never changed the plug-in... > All clients had been happy so far... > > Might be all you need... > > I would not do it in Ableton-Live, sounds like more > hassle than a > dedicated editor.... > > Stefan > > -- > Stefan Tiedje------------x------- > --_____-----------|-------------- > --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()------- > -- _|_)----|-----()-------------- > ----------()--------www.ccmix.com > > www.runefagereng.com www.myspace.com/runefagereng www.youtube.com/watch?v=bOHN4az59A0 Mail:rune_fagereng@yahoo.no Mob: 917 95 867 _________________________________________________________ Alt i én. Få Yahoo! Mail med adressekartotek, kalender og notisblokk. http://no.mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Apr 8 23:20:28 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E63403BF2F; Sun, 8 Apr 2007 23:20:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: On eBay: DigiTech 7.6, RDS-4000 and RDS-8000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Lotus Notes 652HF83 November 04, 2004 From: Larry C Tremblay X-MIMETrack: S/MIME Sign by Notes Client on Larry C Tremblay/GTS/CSC(652HF83|November 04, 2004) at 04/08/2007 07:20:26 PM, Serialize by Notes Client on Larry C Tremblay/GTS/CSC(652HF83|November 04, 2004) at 04/08/2007 07:20:26 PM, Serialize complete at 04/08/2007 07:20:26 PM, S/MIME Sign failed at 04/08/2007 07:20:26 PM: The cryptographic key was not found, Serialize by Router on AMER-GW09/SRV/CSC(Release 7.0.2FP1 HF16|January 29, 2007) at 04/08/2007 07:19:12 PM, Serialize complete at 04/08/2007 07:19:12 PM Message-ID: Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2007 19:20:24 -0400 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=_alternative 008036CF852572B7_=" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69411 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2007 23:20:28 +0000 (UTC) This is a multipart message in MIME format. --=_alternative 008036CF852572B7_= Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" I have the following DigiTech items up for auction on eBay. all are in good shape and working condition. DigiTech 7.6 Time Machine 7.6 second delay: $80, good condition DigiTech RDS-8000 8-second delay: $125, mint DigiTech RDS-4000 4-second delay: $90, like-new Here's a link to these items: http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZgiraffe800_0QQhtZ-1 Thanks, - Larry --=_alternative 008036CF852572B7_= Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII"
    I have the following DigiTech items up for auction on eBay. all are in good shape and working condition.

    DigiTech 7.6 Time Machine 7.6 second delay: $80, good condition

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    DigiTech RDS-4000 4-second delay: $90, like-new

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    Thanks,

    - Larry
    --=_alternative 008036CF852572B7_=-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 9 03:00:20 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3A4143BF36; Mon, 9 Apr 2007 03:00:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=sbcglobal.net; h=Received:X-YMail-OSG:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:User-Agent:MIME-Version:To:Subject:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=k3a9BNG3jzPzzhVipXoANQA/2t4jnbIPjzR+qvqDiivHG8sTQD/z0w01JZrI/oUKvUmb5TYI/N/RbRz85mAEIJmXtziyBhJoJ4pSuXzqApJDNRbzcqRZifzFYBU/3nCMrkBqOpeFPbopgYF5PT2brnBZvB/gJMdKWq1l5Jh/tQ8= ; X-YMail-OSG: 6ZShenIVM1nM4warheiuRUC0RL7lFH.OJZwypArzzbvyb5hzlf7eC21YkTVRzQYJEFijXBNK4faguQ975XMBjqVgN.VeoldBxJ3_ Message-ID: <4619AC12.10108@sbcglobal.net> Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2007 21:59:30 -0500 From: Michael Yoder Reply-To: msyoder2007@sbcglobal.net User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.8 (Macintosh/20061025) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Looping on portable hard-disk recorders Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69412 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2007 03:00:20 +0000 (UTC) Hi, I checked the archives and didn't see much on portable hard disk recorders and their usefulness for looping. What I am looking to do is take best 30-second to 5-minute segments of analog 2-track recordings and loop them. I'm sure this can be done quite will with computers (ProTools, etc.), but am not really interested at this point in investing a lot of time in learning new software/hardware, nor investing the money in same. I see from the owners manuals of some portable hard-disk recorders (Zoom 4-track, Fostex 8-track, etc.) that one can cut and paste sections of recordings. I am wondering if doing this could produce seamless loops (without any glitch or cut-out of the sound). If I transfered segments of analog 2-track recordings to a portable hard disk recorder such as the Zoom MRS-4B 4-track recorder or the Fostex MR-8 series (whose owners manuals indicate that you can copy and paste sections of recordings), would the result be nice seamless loops without gaps? Are there particular portable hard disk recorders (from two to eight tracks) that work better than others for seamless, glitchless loop-type recording? Many thanks! Michael Yoder bassist, Ambient Jazz Duo http://www.myspace.com/ambientjazzduo From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 9 10:42:41 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 116F43BF36; Mon, 9 Apr 2007 10:42:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed To: Loopers From: Bernhard Wagner LD Subject: Roger Linn interview videos at sweetwater Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2007 12:42:36 +0200 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69413 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2007 10:42:41 +0000 (UTC) Roger Linn interview videos at sweetwater (promoting M-Audio's "Black Box"): http://www.sweetwater.com/feature/roger-linn/ This one: "Part 10 - What's missing in the process of making music today?" compares "conventional" syncing of musicians via a common score with syncing electronically. Also mentions live looping (calling it "interactive merging of the worlds of real time and recording in the form of looping"). Bernhard From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 9 13:02:22 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7956B3BF3A; Mon, 9 Apr 2007 13:02:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <000a01c77aa7$5613e520$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "RICK WALKER" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: I stumbled on this picture that brought back fond memories Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2007 06:02:32 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.1 required=1.0 tests=AWL autolearn=disabled version=3.1.7 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.7 (2006-10-05) on mail.cruzio.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69414 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2007 13:02:22 +0000 (UTC) I found this tonight, looking through a bunch of pictures looking for something else. It made me smile. yours, r. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 9 14:33:35 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 449723BF29; Mon, 9 Apr 2007 14:33:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=sprintmail.com; b=YDBlWdj/qzZmo6XIaWdghmzhBOfK/HlZvjfrcHYfwqZU5S+h9/InXIGjDZdjwmBb; h=Received:Mime-Version:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-Id:Content-Type:To:From:Subject:Date:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Travis Hartnett Subject: OT: Busking--it's hard for everyone Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2007 07:31:55 -0700 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-ELNK-Trace: 86a6669cc0c295031c0d99aadad889b544085b9606502ed9bee98f15e353575a18cbdea330064c03350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.91.62.52 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69415 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2007 14:33:35 +0000 (UTC) Sometimes on this list, people talk about busking and/or the difficulty of attracting an audience's attention at gigs where people haven't paid to see music. Apparently, this problem extends all the way up the talent ladder. What if one of the greatest musicians in the world played some of the best music ever written on one of the best instruments ever made...in the subway? What happened: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/04/04/ AR2007040401721.html?hpid=artslot TravisH From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 9 14:35:42 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 859D03BF36; Mon, 9 Apr 2007 14:35:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <000a01c77aa7$5613e520$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> References: <000a01c77aa7$5613e520$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2007 10:35:33 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Charles Zwicky Subject: Re: I stumbled on this picture that brought back fond memories Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-ELNK-Trace: e070562f4b6af5994d2b10475b571120ecba98467837aeb76ef2e9f5a9aa0c474d56de0567dbccc3350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 69.86.208.154 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69416 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2007 14:35:42 +0000 (UTC) Wow, a polar bear in a snowstorm? >I found this tonight, looking through a bunch of pictures looking >for something else. > >It made me smile. > >yours, r. -- ... http://www.zmix.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 9 15:11:13 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AFF103BF40; Mon, 9 Apr 2007 15:11:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=D0gckpXu5V8ESspBcGZkEGW16eyBgY5pB4u2DeI+BkKE4/zte8UEQKLAdEWoLdBE0Y3yCbwDa7f6y7A4dgFSwdSTOq9jsadHn8K0qa0h9Af0vzYaeT2F6X4lGJd+wBygVh/raojqESXwDVbsiGDUtUFv4Ca9iILOm+4dA3Lq5Xc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=lOlYVbwA/TF8cMw3yhsYhrLVXsXRDBzx25D/fvyBO9xJ5Khf1ypqFzgEF8WECs+wUwcs9IRl/act5Mr0Un4ieKqRGoXJw8ZDK3HSBbnaGUAkTHF5kRf4Lw2f9wG7YWm4k9ld4ksQdNCA2Ux/HIFJrMY8kkJgLulqYOJUfZ0ZgTM= Message-ID: Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2007 11:11:10 -0400 From: "Tony K" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: OT: Interesting article on busking in D.C. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_3608_30070089.1176131470590" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69417 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2007 15:11:13 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_3608_30070089.1176131470590 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline quite interesting... http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/04/04/AR2007040401721_pf.html -- -==-=-=- Tony ------=_Part_3608_30070089.1176131470590 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline quite interesting...

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/04/04/AR2007040401721_pf.html

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    Tony ------=_Part_3608_30070089.1176131470590-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 9 15:14:22 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D760F3BF46; Mon, 9 Apr 2007 15:14:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=I6U18vXMS43SrhMB2doCyfNUWiGQXAsgY9wY6XIAqyylr5SfqcnhbLLtfeKHm5wiDp+oPO77WMhlrWP8aQ2r5wRhWRogtHxP4N3khmDR0DYsSmt0UDUpcvjMmIUmnXb7f7uLreLAFp3ssvy2ocsweOCWtn7WhRIzweRNZAoy9Ug= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=U/jkdXmPEoXZ7Fygytiz/jGzNjYQQeeeicss0BB8qjw7x8usZw9iwl3ZV/enyhAZ8Y+Mup0731KvKffY0n2cvT3hYNmK7iBKHO1LRAOZovHq8A13HgHjtgPWNmlcFjlAhO0rRyAIiXxyBAoVfh7grbvXh6JhUsj2pv5Ryl2wmz8= Message-ID: <9e0440a60704090814l2dcbd792nb515b5bfbd6adc27@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2007 11:14:18 -0400 From: "Jim Goodin" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: Busking--it's hard for everyone In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_3805_14742944.1176131658391" References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69418 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2007 15:14:22 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_3805_14742944.1176131658391 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline re busking.... I live in NY and do this regularly. It started for me several years ago when my children were younger and I was trying to find more playing time. I play along the F and R lines everyday while waiting on the train, using a Martin Backpacker and recently a wood flute which is a new interest. Most times the experience is more about doing it than income however I have had a few nice things over the years. A few years ago a guy was watching me and appeared to be sketching. He put a caricture and a note down in my case to call him if I played weddings so that led to a booking. Have sold a few CD's and got a few bucks. One neat personal experienced happened one evening. I had quit and was walking out of the subway in Brooklyn. About a block later a woman passed by me and said, 'that was really lovely what you played...' Though those don't pay the rent in a sense that's why we do it... cheers jim goodin http://www.jimgoodinmusic.com http://www.chinapaintingmusic.com On 4/9/07, Travis Hartnett wrote: > > > > -- The Acoustic World Guitar of Jim Goodin - http://www.jimgoodinmusic.com MySpace (solo) - http://www.myspace.com/jimgoodinmusic Chinapainting - http://www.chinapaintingmusic.com Chinapainting on My Space - http://www.myspace.com/chinapaintingmusic.com The Jim Goodin label and home for 7 other creative souls - http://www.woodandwiremusic.com Jim Goodin uses GHS Strings - http://www.ghsstrings.com and Seagull Guitars - http://www.seagullguitars.com, Jim Goodin is published by Mel Bay Publications, Inc. - http://www.melbay.com Associates and friends on the web - Daryl Shawn - http://www.swanwelder.com Adam Werner - http://www.adamwerner.com John Stowell - http://www.johnstowell.com Matt Richards - http://www.mattrichardsmusic.net Michael Manring - http://www.manthing.com Will Ackerman - http://www.williamackerman.com New Land Music - http://www.newlandmusic.com ------=_Part_3805_14742944.1176131658391 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline

     re busking....
     
    I live in NY and do this regularly.  It started for me several years ago when my children were younger and I was trying to find more playing time.  I play along the F and R lines everyday while waiting on the train, using a Martin Backpacker and recently a wood flute which is a new interest.  Most times the experience is more about doing it than income however I have had a few nice things over the years.  A few years ago a guy was watching me and appeared to be sketching.  He put a caricture and a note down in my case to call him if I played weddings so that led to a booking.  Have sold a few CD's and got a few bucks.  One neat personal experienced happened one evening.  I had quit and was walking out of the subway in Brooklyn.  About a block later a woman passed by me and said, 'that was really lovely what you played...'  Though those don't pay the rent in a sense that's why we do it...
     
    cheers
     
    jim goodin

     
    On 4/9/07, Travis Hartnett <tiktok@sprintmail.com> wrote:


     



    --
    The Acoustic World Guitar of Jim Goodin  - http://www.jimgoodinmusic.com
    MySpace (solo) - http://www.myspace.com/jimgoodinmusic
    Chinapainting -
    http://www.chinapaintingmusic.com
    Chinapainting on My Space -
    http://www.myspace.com/chinapaintingmusic.com
    The Jim Goodin label and home for 7 other creative souls - http://www.woodandwiremusic.com
    Jim Goodin uses GHS Strings - http://www.ghsstrings.com and Seagull Guitars - http://www.seagullguitars.com , Jim Goodin is published by Mel Bay Publications, Inc. - http://www.melbay.com

    Associates and friends on the web -
    Daryl Shawn -
    http://www.swanwelder.com
    Adam Werner - http://www.adamwerner.com
    John Stowell - http://www.johnstowell.com
    Matt Richards - http://www.mattrichardsmusic.net
    Michael Manring - http://www.manthing.com
    Will Ackerman - http://www.williamackerman.com
    New Land Music - http://www.newlandmusic.com ------=_Part_3805_14742944.1176131658391-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 9 15:16:11 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C08C03BF44; Mon, 9 Apr 2007 15:16:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <461A58D4.1000003@biink.com> Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2007 11:16:36 -0400 From: David Beardsley Reply-To: db@biink.com Organization: Biink & SSI User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2 (Windows/20050317) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: I stumbled on this picture that brought back fond memories References: <000a01c77aa7$5613e520$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69419 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2007 15:16:11 +0000 (UTC) At least he caught his good side. Charles Zwicky wrote: > Wow, a polar bear in a snowstorm? > >> I found this tonight, looking through a bunch of pictures looking for >> something else. >> >> It made me smile. >> >> yours, r. > > > -- * David Beardsley * microtonal guitar * http://biink.com/db From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 9 15:19:24 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B72573BF4F; Mon, 9 Apr 2007 15:19:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Originating-IP: [216.113.128.239] X-Identified-User: {864:box76.bluehost.com:kevinkis:kevinkissinger.com} {sentby:webmail from 216.113.128.239} Message-ID: <20070409101922.21xtbkbtsgogo0s0@69.89.21.76> Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2007 10:19:22 -0500 From: kkissinger@kevinkissinger.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: Busking--it's hard for everyone References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.3) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69420 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2007 15:19:24 +0000 (UTC) Quoting Travis Hartnett : > What if one of the greatest musicians in the world > played some of the best music ever written on one of the best > instruments ever made...in the subway? > > http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/04/04/AR20070404= 01721.html?hpid=3Dartslot This article showed up on the electro-music forums yesterday and I've =20 had some time to digest it. The people who recognized the talent for what it was were people who =20 had already cultivated an appreciation for music. For instance, what if a restaurant substituted a $300-per-bottle wine =20 for their house wine. How many people would notice that they were =20 drinking a rare, expensive wine? I would suppose that the only people =20 who would notice would be those who have cultivated taste and =20 knowledge about wine. The Bach sounded wonderful in the video and somehow it added something =20 wonderful to the place, even though most people didn't stop to =20 acknowledge it. Wish I had been there. I found that I could take heart from this. Every week I play the =20 organ for around 1000 people and in general I will get a few =20 compliments -- generally from people who have traveled to Europe and =20 heard organ music in great cathedrals there. So, my ratio of =20 listeners to compliments is about the same as the violinist. Not bad! =20 :) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 9 15:22:36 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CA4653BF4A; Mon, 9 Apr 2007 15:22:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: References: <000a01c77aa7$5613e520$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1-256452678 Message-Id: From: Richard Sales Subject: Re: I stumbled on this picture that brought back fond memories Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2007 08:22:28 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Resent-Message-ID: <3d4ZoB.A.bIE.8olGGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69421 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2007 15:22:36 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-1-256452678 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed You really got me laughing on this one! richard sales glassWing farm and studio vancouver island, b.c. 800.545.6846 250.752.4816 www.glassWing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com On 9-Apr-07, at 7:35 AM, Charles Zwicky wrote: > Wow, a polar bear in a snowstorm? > >> I found this tonight, looking through a bunch of pictures looking for >> something else. >> >> It made me smile. >> >> yours, r. > > > -- > ... > http://www.zmix.net > --Apple-Mail-1-256452678 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=US-ASCII You really got me laughing on this one! Gadgetrichard sales 7373,7F7F,C5C5glassWing farm and studio vancouver island, b.c. 800.545.6846 250.752.4816C3C3,9696,1C1C www.glassWing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com On 9-Apr-07, at 7:35 AM, Charles Zwicky wrote: Wow, a polar bear in a snowstorm? I found this tonight, looking through a bunch of pictures looking for something else. It made me smile. yours, r. -- ... http://www.zmix.net --Apple-Mail-1-256452678-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 9 15:48:35 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 248103BF4B; Mon, 9 Apr 2007 15:48:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-4-257994524 Message-Id: <145d4e54b3389acb8d75f8c392dc452f@glasswing.com> From: Richard Sales Subject: Re: OT: Interesting article on busking in D.C. Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2007 08:48:10 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69422 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2007 15:48:34 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-4-257994524 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed THAT is one f,,,,,g amazing article. LOADED with what I consider stunning observations, from Bell and writer to some of the 'listeners'. It went totally against what I thought would happen. Hey Tony! Thanks times mc squared. Everyone should read this article. richard sales glassWing farm and studio vancouver island, b.c. 800.545.6846 250.752.4816 www.glassWing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com On 9-Apr-07, at 8:11 AM, Tony K wrote: > quite interesting... > > http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/04/04/ > AR2007040401721_pf.html > > -- > -==-=-=- > Tony --Apple-Mail-4-257994524 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=US-ASCII THAT is one f,,,,,g amazing article. LOADED with what I consider stunning observations, from Bell and writer to some of the 'listeners'. It went totally against what I thought would happen. Hey Tony! Thanks times mc squared. Everyone should read this article. Gadgetrichard sales 7373,7F7F,C5C5glassWing farm and studio vancouver island, b.c. 800.545.6846 250.752.4816C3C3,9696,1C1C www.glassWing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com On 9-Apr-07, at 8:11 AM, Tony K wrote: quite interesting... 0000,0000,EEEEhttp://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/04/04/AR2007040401721_pf.html -- -==-=-=- Tony --Apple-Mail-4-257994524-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 9 15:55:01 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4EB033BF5A; Mon, 9 Apr 2007 15:55:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-5-258397868 Message-Id: From: Richard Sales Subject: Re: OT: Busking--it's hard for everyone Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2007 08:54:53 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69423 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2007 15:55:01 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-5-258397868 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Oh excuse me! THANKS Travis! ... and TOny richard sales glassWing farm and studio vancouver island, b.c. 800.545.6846 250.752.4816 www.glassWing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com On 9-Apr-07, at 7:31 AM, Travis Hartnett wrote: > Sometimes on this list, people talk about busking and/or the > difficulty of attracting an audience's attention at gigs where people > haven't paid to see music. Apparently, this problem extends all the > way up the talent ladder. What if one of the greatest musicians in > the world played some of the best music ever written on one of the > best instruments ever made...in the subway? > > What happened: > > http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/04/04/ > AR2007040401721.html?hpid=artslot > > > TravisH > --Apple-Mail-5-258397868 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=US-ASCII Oh excuse me! THANKS Travis! ... and TOny Gadgetrichard sales 7373,7F7F,C5C5glassWing farm and studio vancouver island, b.c. 800.545.6846 250.752.4816C3C3,9696,1C1C www.glassWing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com On 9-Apr-07, at 7:31 AM, Travis Hartnett wrote: Sometimes on this list, people talk about busking and/or the difficulty of attracting an audience's attention at gigs where people haven't paid to see music. Apparently, this problem extends all the way up the talent ladder. What if one of the greatest musicians in the world played some of the best music ever written on one of the best instruments ever made...in the subway? What happened: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/04/04/AR2007040401721.html?hpid=artslot TravisH --Apple-Mail-5-258397868-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 9 16:46:00 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 76EDD3BF4D; Mon, 9 Apr 2007 16:46:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1-261448889 Message-Id: <0A343619-545E-4D6C-B03C-0B48C7A066CF@aol.com> From: john floridis Subject: Re: OT: Busking--it's hard for everyone Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2007 10:45:44 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-AOL-IP: 69.145.125.105 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: <7AS9ZB.A.-w.H3mGGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69424 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2007 16:46:00 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-1-261448889 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed this was truly one of the most profound things i've read. period. i really encourage folks to take the time to read the entire article. it is very long, but take the time, make the time to read it. like the people who took the time to listen. there are so many things to comment on, i wouldn't know where to start. maybe the part that i would comment on is the part that effected me more than anything else......how joshua bell felt his own performance was best when he most felt he was being listened to. what musician with any soul at all could not relate to that. heartfelt thanks to travis for bringing this to our attention. i can't help but wonder how this would play out in different situations across the country....in different countries.....different cultures......different styles of music. is part of the indifference due to the perception in our country, our culture of "classical" music? i've met alison krauss, and you might be able to sneak her in there to play her fiddle...not sing obviously.....but play and see if folks noticed. wow, i could go on and on. again thank you. john --Apple-Mail-1-261448889 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 this was truly one of the most profound thi= ngs i've read.=A0 period.=A0 i really encourage folks to take the time to re= ad the entire article.=A0 it is very long, but take the time, make the time=20= to read it.=A0 like the people who took the time to listen.=A0 there are so=20= many things to comment on, i wouldn't know where to start.=A0 maybe the part= that i would comment on is the part that effected me more than anything els= e......how joshua bell felt his own performance was best when he most felt h= e was being listened to.=A0 what musician with any soul at all could not rel= ate to that.

    heartfelt thanks to travis for bringing this to our a= ttention.=A0 i can't help but wonder how this would play out in different si= tuations across the country....in different countries.....different cultures= ......different styles=A0of music.=A0 is part of the indifference due= to the perception in our country, our culture of "classical" music?=A0 i've= met alison krauss, and you might be able to sneak her in there to play her=20= fiddle...not sing obviously.....but play and see if folks noticed.=A0=A0

    wow, i could=20= go on and on.=A0 again thank you.
    john
    =3D --Apple-Mail-1-261448889-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 9 16:54:56 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 861083BF5F; Mon, 9 Apr 2007 16:54:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=kZvM2sKS3Bb4F95Z7nuo7YUhxgWQNi4u+m5pfG1JhbIi9na+3W5WEuoP92nnY/BIcUAM8QCjESsLNI6/sB4DUOA9gx/ry0/GOH3hJSe4qh70zLOb80A0//WiwaRViO7m7oDRPKJuzjmNhPLvCmLmM8Pzn2rRhx9h6sD3s/WDU+4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=gDsfrfZszXWGEsjpvyW4jqa8tnLg5nD/PGMtj1xu5PxyyhfqqhXbWd1vFsXcorAR8cGhnW8pxEhoDL+E6gyndyvsTB+I/kqGE7FYldeE2t0nbmTR0Lh8elCcHK6tLBGJBD1INMxokKalz17o6dIDUESkNyU+uPrWUcW04V3TrF0= Message-ID: Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2007 09:54:54 -0700 From: "Travis Hartnett" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: Busking--it's hard for everyone In-Reply-To: <0A343619-545E-4D6C-B03C-0B48C7A066CF@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <0A343619-545E-4D6C-B03C-0B48C7A066CF@aol.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69425 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2007 16:54:56 +0000 (UTC) One of the problems of playing in a train station is that by definition, pretty much everyone there is on their way to somewhere, so they're pressed for time and their minds are not on the immediate environment. A lot of musicians like to busk train stations because the thinking is there's a lot of people who'll see you, when actually there's a lot of people who'll ignore you. Playing at a "destination" site, such as an outdoor craft or farmer's market on a pretty weekend afternoon might get you more attention and money, because people are there to wander around, look at things and spend money, not hurry to and from their job. TravisH On 4/9/07, john floridis wrote: > > heartfelt thanks to travis for bringing this to our attention. i can't help > but wonder how this would play out in different situations across the > country....in different countries.....different cultures......different > styles of music. is part of the indifference due to the perception in our > country, our culture of "classical" music? i've met alison krauss, and you > might be able to sneak her in there to play her fiddle...not sing > obviously.....but play and see if folks noticed. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 9 17:07:19 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 60DA13BF5B; Mon, 9 Apr 2007 17:07:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=DgmQMt+MhwlXMi8GI+yYzzTfBUd4KylT4WvhmL/krauW7SASz0G5HDLoGg224yy7zd3p56r1B9nP/DtXH26OUgjsy4gYTQ/TgQs79GSRGZZ+yU7nCbpzRmG7T3YYtIYWFoqou4urluHXYuPangp8aqMz7Tw1nf8s0zZ9a/zCwP0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=PfMO4EquT5xgoIhPe0i36QCADtdVf6YbRntr48Ph/ov2cHrkghqWBPRT9ch/MAawnX1GL76QJ/9oPQrqPS9UZ3B1DGceoN1/yzPoocRjw38WRJojoAQ5J4OCIdaHqIhbI+J12m6MX3KTMhfrKYmT6/A7KXaSbasGEvMWHXfaWdo= Message-ID: <9e0440a60704091007m4a7713abob574ae8c737cd985@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2007 13:07:12 -0400 From: "Jim Goodin" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: Busking--it's hard for everyone In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_6977_29977239.1176138432071" References: <0A343619-545E-4D6C-B03C-0B48C7A066CF@aol.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69426 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2007 17:07:19 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_6977_29977239.1176138432071 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Travis that is right and didn't mean to side bar this thread. Actually had trouble getting the link to interpret and was sharing my experience @10 years doing it. True many ignore but as echo'd a few good times plus for me it's another chance to gain some practice/performance time out of @45 min commute each day from Brooklyn to NY going coming. In a sense it's made more sense than performing in some of the clubs for genre of music not really supported and generally cattle call bookings for 30-45 min blocks. Still some good things from doing those and clearly they are essential, it's just the subway has given another opportunity. As songwriter Martin Sexton said however about playing it in the ever popular among musicians Boston Metro, know when to come up... echoing if you stay down there too long you never will return. j On 4/9/07, Travis Hartnett wrote: > > One of the problems of playing in a train station is that by > .... ------=_Part_6977_29977239.1176138432071 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline
    Travis that is right and didn't mean to side bar this thread.  Actually had trouble getting the link to interpret and was sharing my experience @10 years doing it.  True many ignore but as echo'd a few good times plus for me it's another chance to gain some practice/performance time out of @45 min commute each day from Brooklyn to NY going coming.  In a sense it's made more sense than performing in some of the clubs for genre of music not really supported and generally cattle call bookings for 30-45 min blocks.  Still some good things from doing those and clearly they are essential, it's just the subway has given another opportunity.  As songwriter Martin Sexton said however about playing it in the ever popular among musicians Boston Metro, know when to come up... echoing if you stay down there too long you never will return.
     
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    On 4/9/07, Travis Hartnett <travishartnett@gmail.com> wrote:
    One of the problems of playing in a train station is that by
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    ------=_Part_6977_29977239.1176138432071-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 9 17:13:03 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D84AA3BF60; Mon, 9 Apr 2007 17:13:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: References: <0A343619-545E-4D6C-B03C-0B48C7A066CF@aol.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1-263082438 Message-Id: <53832d9f78c338ff1fdad2c6b0ecc41b@glasswing.com> From: Richard Sales Subject: Re: OT: Busking--it's hard for everyone Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2007 10:12:57 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69427 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2007 17:13:03 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-1-263082438 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed I thought the article was amazing not just for the actual experiment but for other snippets that occurred, like Bell denying that he is a genius and the 'if a tree falls' bit. The guy is obviously a top notch virtuoso and I'm dazzled that more folks didn't stop. In a way, to me, it says something about how the importance of music has slipped for many folks. I also think it makes a comment about the conformity and herd mind of North America. If folks had KNOWN he was a world famous violinist, they most certainly would have stopped - work or no work. I mean, if Bob Dylan or Stevie Wonder or Britney Spears busked at the same train station you would have had a serious gridlock of gawkers and listeners. BUT! If someone equally as good and creative (this adjective does not apply to Ms Spears) did it and wasn't recognizable as a 'famous' person they would have been shined on just like J Bell. I found it very fascinating and high protein food for thought. I think it would be a fun experiment to repeat the experiment but with the Washington Post cameras in full view and maybe some bodyguards there to show that this was an important person. I bet the results would be quit different. And that would be telling. And I think it says a lot about our vocation (or hobby maybe) for some. And it should be sweet solace for those who know they are very gifted and working at Wal Mart. The moral might be, "Fame has its advantages." And it also brings to mind the brilliant human observation, "To them that have more shall be given." richard sales glassWing farm and studio vancouver island, b.c. 800.545.6846 250.752.4816 www.glassWing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com On 9-Apr-07, at 9:54 AM, Travis Hartnett wrote: > One of the problems of playing in a train station is that by > definition, pretty much everyone there is on their way to somewhere, > so they're pressed for time and their minds are not on the immediate > environment. A lot of musicians like to busk train stations because > the thinking is there's a lot of people who'll see you, when actually > there's a lot of people who'll ignore you. > > Playing at a "destination" site, such as an outdoor craft or farmer's > market on a pretty weekend afternoon might get you more attention and > money, because people are there to wander around, look at things and > spend money, not hurry to and from their job. > > TravisH > > On 4/9/07, john floridis wrote: > >> >> heartfelt thanks to travis for bringing this to our attention. i >> can't help >> but wonder how this would play out in different situations across the >> country....in different countries.....different >> cultures......different >> styles of music. is part of the indifference due to the perception >> in our >> country, our culture of "classical" music? i've met alison krauss, >> and you >> might be able to sneak her in there to play her fiddle...not sing >> obviously.....but play and see if folks noticed. > --Apple-Mail-1-263082438 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=US-ASCII I thought the article was amazing not just for the actual experiment but for other snippets that occurred, like Bell denying that he is a genius and the 'if a tree falls' bit. The guy is obviously a top notch virtuoso and I'm dazzled that more folks didn't stop. In a way, to me, it says something about how the importance of music has slipped for many folks. I also think it makes a comment about the conformity and herd mind of North America. If folks had KNOWN he was a world famous violinist, they most certainly would have stopped - work or no work. I mean, if Bob Dylan or Stevie Wonder or Britney Spears busked at the same train station you would have had a serious gridlock of gawkers and listeners. BUT! If someone equally as good and creative (this adjective does not apply to Ms Spears) did it and wasn't recognizable as a 'famous' person they would have been shined on just like J Bell. I found it very fascinating and high protein food for thought. I think it would be a fun experiment to repeat the experiment but with the Washington Post cameras in full view and maybe some bodyguards there to show that this was an important person. I bet the results would be quit different. And that would be telling. And I think it says a lot about our vocation (or hobby maybe) for some. And it should be sweet solace for those who know they are very gifted and working at Wal Mart. The moral might be, "Fame has its advantages." And it also brings to mind the brilliant human observation, "To them that have more shall be given." Gadgetrichard sales 7373,7F7F,C5C5glassWing farm and studio vancouver island, b.c. 800.545.6846 250.752.4816C3C3,9696,1C1C www.glassWing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com On 9-Apr-07, at 9:54 AM, Travis Hartnett wrote: One of the problems of playing in a train station is that by definition, pretty much everyone there is on their way to somewhere, so they're pressed for time and their minds are not on the immediate environment. A lot of musicians like to busk train stations because the thinking is there's a lot of people who'll see you, when actually there's a lot of people who'll ignore you. Playing at a "destination" site, such as an outdoor craft or farmer's market on a pretty weekend afternoon might get you more attention and money, because people are there to wander around, look at things and spend money, not hurry to and from their job. TravisH On 4/9/07, john floridis < wrote: heartfelt thanks to travis for bringing this to our attention. i can't help but wonder how this would play out in different situations across the country....in different countries.....different cultures......different styles of music. is part of the indifference due to the perception in our country, our culture of "classical" music? i've met alison krauss, and you might be able to sneak her in there to play her fiddle...not sing obviously.....but play and see if folks noticed. --Apple-Mail-1-263082438-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 9 17:18:55 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 63FF43BF62; Mon, 9 Apr 2007 17:18:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <9e0440a60704091007m4a7713abob574ae8c737cd985@mail.gmail.com> References: <0A343619-545E-4D6C-B03C-0B48C7A066CF@aol.com> <9e0440a60704091007m4a7713abob574ae8c737cd985@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-2-263434354 Message-Id: <58a3cb7d48973d4dd5b8e9a0ee057429@glasswing.com> From: Richard Sales Subject: Re: OT: Busking--it's hard for everyone Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2007 10:18:49 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69428 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2007 17:18:55 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-2-263434354 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Well you should try my experiment some time Jim. Get a bunch of folks=20= with snazzy looking cameras and press badges and maybe a high end=20 looking video camera down there with you and see what happens. Better=20= still, go to your local paper and tell them about the Washington Post=20 experiment and see if they're willing to support you. I'd LOVE to see=20= the results and I suspect my hunch is right. And you can tell them=20 their article would be circulated world wide by all the hungry=20 musicians who've suspected this all along. richard sales glassWing farm and studio vancouver island, b.c. 800.545.6846 250.752.4816 www.glassWing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com On 9-Apr-07, at 10:07 AM, Jim Goodin wrote: > Travis that is right and didn't mean to side bar this thread.=A0=20 > Actually had trouble getting the link to interpret and was sharing my=20= > experience @10 years doing it.=A0 True many ignore but as echo'd a few=20= > good times plus for me it's another chance to gain some=20 > practice/performance time out of @45 min commute each day from=20 > Brooklyn to NY going coming.=A0 In a sense it's made more sense than=20= > performing in some of the clubs for genre of music not really=20 > supported and generally cattle call bookings for 30-45 min blocks.=A0=20= > Still some good things from doing those and clearly they are=20 > essential, it's just the subway has given another opportunity.=A0 As=20= > songwriter Martin Sexton said however about playing it in the ever=20 > popular among musicians Boston Metro, know when to come up... echoing=20= > if you stay down there too long you never will return. > =A0 > j > > =A0 > On 4/9/07, Travis Hartnett wrote: One of=20 > the problems of playing in a train station is that by >> ....= --Apple-Mail-2-263434354 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=ISO-8859-1 Well you should try my experiment some time Jim. Get a bunch of folks with snazzy looking cameras and press badges and maybe a high end looking video camera down there with you and see what happens. Better still, go to your local paper and tell them about the Washington Post experiment and see if they're willing to support you. I'd LOVE to see the results and I suspect my hunch is right. And you can tell them their article would be circulated world wide by all the hungry musicians who've suspected this all along. =20 Gadgetrichard sales 7373,7F7F,C5C5glassWing farm and studio vancouver island, b.c. 800.545.6846 250.752.4816C3C3,9696,1C1C www.glassWing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com On 9-Apr-07, at 10:07 AM, Jim Goodin wrote: Travis that is right and didn't mean to side bar this thread.=A0 Actually had trouble getting the link to interpret and was sharing my experience @10 years doing it.=A0 True many ignore but as echo'd a few good times plus for me it's another chance to gain some practice/performance time out of @45 min commute each day from Brooklyn to NY going coming.=A0 In a sense it's made more sense than performing in some of the clubs for genre of music not really supported and generally cattle call bookings for 30-45 min blocks.=A0 Still some good things from doing those and clearly they are essential, it's just the subway has given another opportunity.=A0 As songwriter Martin Sexton said however about playing it in the ever popular among musicians Boston Metro, know when to come up... echoing if you stay down there too long you never will return. =A0 j =A0 On 4/9/07, Travis Hartnett <<0000,0000,EEEEtravishartnett@gmail.com> wrote: One of the problems of playing in a train station is that by ....= --Apple-Mail-2-263434354-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 9 17:30:44 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D542E3BF64; Mon, 9 Apr 2007 17:30:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com In-Reply-To: <53832d9f78c338ff1fdad2c6b0ecc41b@glasswing.com> References: <0A343619-545E-4D6C-B03C-0B48C7A066CF@aol.com> <53832d9f78c338ff1fdad2c6b0ecc41b@glasswing.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-2-264127855 Message-Id: <2ADEC70A-DD9A-4C47-AD74-B2677919993B@aol.com> From: john floridis Subject: Re: OT: Busking--it's hard for everyone Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2007 11:30:23 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-AOL-IP: 69.145.125.105 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69429 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2007 17:30:44 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-2-264127855 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed i think richard has some excellent points here....the concept of knowing the performer is not joshua bell but JOSHUA BELL. i've so many times felt while either listening to musicians play in certain locations, enviornments or playing in them myself that if prince were there playing right in front of the audience, they wouldn't pay any more attention. NOT to equate myself with prince or rather PRINCE. another aspect is the concept of the soloist. there is an intimacy in a solo performance that can of course be very intensely positive, but as a local missoula writer said,......it's more like a date. coming across a solo musician in that setting, regardless of the fact that it's joshua bell, is for some people no different than being accosted by a homeless man for spare change. a band though.......that's a whole other matter ( to most people i believe). where there's a band there's a party, a scene, a happening.....it becomes less to do with the music than what happens socially.....even in ....maybe especially in a train station. with a soloist, whether it's your choice or in this case...not....you are involved in a more intimate relationship. john --Apple-Mail-2-264127855 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 i think ri= chard has some excellent points here....the concept of knowing the pe= rformer is not joshua bell but JOSHUA BELL.=A0 i've so many times felt while= either listening to musicians play in certain locations, enviornments or pl= aying in them myself that if prince were there playing right in front of the= audience, they wouldn't pay any more attention.=A0=A0
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    NOT to equate myself with prince or rather PRINCE.

    another aspect is the concept of the soloist.=A0 there is an=20= intimacy in a solo performance that can of course be very intensely positive= , but as a local missoula writer said,......it's more like a date.=A0 coming= across a solo musician in that setting, regardless of the fact that it's jo= shua bell, is for some people no different than being=A0accosted by a homele= ss man for spare change.=A0 a band=A0though.......that's a whole othe= r matter ( to most people i believe).=A0 where there's a band there's a part= y, a scene, a happening.....it becomes less to do with the music than what h= appens socially.....even in ....maybe especially in a train station.=A0 with= a soloist, whether it's your choice or in this case...not....you are involv= ed in a more intimate relationship.

    john
    =3D --Apple-Mail-2-264127855-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 9 17:55:59 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9DB583BF5B; Mon, 9 Apr 2007 17:55:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: <0A343619-545E-4D6C-B03C-0B48C7A066CF@aol.com> References: <0A343619-545E-4D6C-B03C-0B48C7A066CF@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Zoe Keating Subject: Re: OT: Busking--it's hard for everyone Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2007 10:55:56 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-Server-Quench: 90b42a79-e6c3-11db-a443-001185d377ca X-AuthRoute: OCdyZQ4WAlZeQQAe DQsWCyJDRAw5JxtD RxQEKB1+J10RWB5K d2pXKltcMEE0QVZe QzNJGEkABQEoDjsx dVkOMEtda1U/H0d1 UkhJRUJTHA9tBBYE A1AYVQdzfw1Yen1x e0dlX29ZWUZ/akYz Hk1dbSlFFyZgbGIZ WUMWdgZReU1Dfk1B aAF4XW5YZzYEe3th EwV2NmxtZnAHcH0M ElwBdg1NSk8dJDNu Dzc+T30FAFYGRiM8 alknNhEHVEYYKEl6 P1w7EV8GPgUDDQtT d3Ns X-Authentic-SMTP: 61633135363331.squirrel.dmpriest.net.uk:556/Kp X-Report-SPAM: If SPAM / abuse - report it at: http://www.authsmtp.com/abuse X-Virus-Status: No virus detected - but ensure you scan with your own anti-virus system! Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69430 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2007 17:55:59 +0000 (UTC) thanks for forwarding that article! really great. it reinforces my strong belief that studying music as a child will change your life and will change your perception of the world...permanently. irrespective of whether you continue with music as an adult. interestingly, in my early 20's i busked a few times a week in NYC subway stations and then in san francisco BART. both because i was broke and because i thought it would help my lifelong problem with paralysing stage fright. in BART, 2hrs of busking and i would go home with $50 which i thought was great (given that i made $6 hr at my part-time job). it totally killed my stage fright. i realized that no one gave a rat's ass how perfect or imperfect my technique was, because most people didn't even notice me. when someone did stop and listen, i knew that they just appreciated the music and i so grateful for their fleeting attention i would play better and forget to be scared. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 9 17:58:49 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E82CB3BF62; Mon, 9 Apr 2007 17:58:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=txsft6ux7W1qJg0yGR/VSKzU7LxHwNGuzko958ewIqkOmjbgdTotGAX6yqp6Ogg77LHAIQRajYv/DoAv9yVMUPUqRY/YriPdbO3b75P2KL2YZoaRpxchwKPN1JBtSd//okaV0Swb5Vec9kY0gmFEqag0REYb/zsodbLJoJsmttM=; X-YMail-OSG: 0O.jSpUVM1lvgmk2.w2pBIizBabtdWT4o8XcnlxuRiwjiwkNPXWlzB77geJ3ro7OkQ-- Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2007 10:58:48 -0700 (PDT) From: scott hansen Subject: mr-8 as a looper (portable hard disc looping)/EVH gtr To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20070409171855.E1B553BF60@arsenic.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-239567976-1176141528=:22958" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <632405.22958.qm@web33113.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69431 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2007 17:58:49 +0000 (UTC) --0-239567976-1176141528=:22958 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit some late answers to previous posts- i believe i saw somewhere that the EVH gtr (frankenstrat replica) was supposed to be in the 30,000$ range & only 300 were going to be made (which i think puts it in the range of the clapton "blackie" strat relic for cost) as for the question of portable hard disc recording- i have the original fostex mr-8, it has very limited editing capabilities and cut and paste options....i think it will loop but i'm not sure how user friendly it would be w/ live looping....and i'm not sure the buttons are live friendly.... it works great in my little studio space for recording etc... (and i use it to capture my studio experiments etc) and i should say that i really use a fraction of what it can do, but i do know its not up there w/ the fancy computer editing that others units can do. remember this was made for 8 tracks of recording to digital for under 300$ back in '03. there is a new version out that i'm sure has more bells and whistles, but i would say that honestly, if you want to catch and loop material there is cheaper and easier options than the mr8. s--- --------------------------------- Now that's room service! Choose from over 150,000 hotels in 45,000 destinations on Yahoo! Travel to find your fit. --0-239567976-1176141528=:22958 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
    some late answers to previous posts-
    i believe i saw somewhere that the EVH gtr (frankenstrat replica) was supposed
    to be in the 30,000$ range & only 300 were going to be made (which i think puts it in
    the range of the clapton "blackie" strat relic for cost)
     
    as for the question of portable hard disc recording-
    i have the original fostex mr-8, it has very limited editing capabilities and cut and paste
    options....i think it will loop but i'm not sure how user friendly it would be w/
    live looping....and i'm not sure the buttons are live friendly....
    it works great in my little studio space for recording etc... (and i use it to capture my studio experiments  etc)
    and i should say that i really use a fraction of what it can do, but i do know its
    not up there w/ the fancy computer editing that others units can do.
    remember this was made for 8 tracks of recording to digital for under
    300$ back in '03.
    there is a new version out that i'm sure has more bells and whistles,
    but i would say that honestly, if you want to catch and loop material there is
    cheaper and easier options than the mr8.
    s---

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    I busked as a student in Bath in the UK and made sometimes £100 an hour!!  It payed my rent in one summer to study at a conservatoire in London :)

    Andy




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    From: "Jim Goodin" <jimgoodinmusic@gmail.com>
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    To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
    Subject: Re: OT: Busking--it's hard for everyone
    Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2007 13:07:12 -0400

    Travis that is right and didn't mean to side bar this thread.  Actually had trouble getting the link to interpret and was sharing my experience @10 years doing it.  True many ignore but as echo'd a few good times plus for me it's another chance to gain some practice/performance time out of @45 min commute each day from Brooklyn to NY going coming.  In a sense it's made more sense than performing in some of the clubs for genre of music not really supported and generally cattle call bookings for 30-45 min blocks.  Still some good things from doing those and clearly they are essential, it's just the subway has given another opportunity.  As songwriter Martin Sexton said however about playing it in the ever popular among musicians Boston Metro, know when to come up... echoing if you stay down there too long you never will return.
     
    j

     
    On 4/9/07, Travis Hartnett <travishartnett@gmail.com> wrote:
    One of the problems of playing in a train station is that by
    ....


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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 9 19:59:43 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2F8793BF6A; Mon, 9 Apr 2007 19:59:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: <53832d9f78c338ff1fdad2c6b0ecc41b@glasswing.com> References: <0A343619-545E-4D6C-B03C-0B48C7A066CF@aol.com> <53832d9f78c338ff1fdad2c6b0ecc41b@glasswing.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-17-273080099 Message-Id: <961E8665-1F62-4CE5-ADC6-A079B2EBF09B@mac.com> From: Teddy Kumpel Subject: Re: OT: Busking--it's hard for everyone Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2007 15:59:35 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAA== X-Brightmail-scanned: yes Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69433 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2007 19:59:43 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-17-273080099 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Yes, good article, thanks for forwarding... if you want something to be true... it can be for you with a little help from your imagination. You obviously lean towards thinking that North Americans are herd mentality and have lost touch with music and therefore will be more inclined to interpret the findings of the article in that light. I, on the other hand, interpret it as a bunch of very busy people going to a place where they will do something important to them and they don't want to be to be bothered with some guy jamming on a violin no matter how good he is. How presumptuous and narcissistic it is of us musicians to think that people actually want to hear music on the way to work anyway. They've got things on their mind after all. Gearing up for the day can be great and perhaps best done in relative silence and anything other than that would be a distraction. Personally I'd rather have control over what I listen to and that's why the ipod is good. I bet a lot of those passers by had headphones on too and found the violin to be an intrusion. I'm all for freedom but busking, for me, sucks on many levels. It can be an Intrusion, sometimes as bad as smoking cigarettes in a public place. There are good points... but not as many as bad for me. There's the rare occasion that a busker is doing something I'm remotely interested in like playing a chinese violin or using puppets. That I'll take off my headphones for... but a virtuoso classical violinist playing Schubert or a bebop guitarist playing standards? forget it. I don't care if it's Joe Pass himself, I'd rather have holes punched in my ears with toothpicks. but... of course, that's just me. So... no, if I knew it was Josh Bell or any other famous classical person I wouldn't have stopped... if it was Stevie Wonder I would have stopped. If it was Britanny Spears i would have ran the other way. I'm a professional musician who has never busked... so of course my take is skewed towards non busking. just keep it on topic... have any of you ambient loopers ever busked? How did you get power in the subway? I think ambient looping would be interesting busking since ambient music is all about setting a mood without being in the way of people's thoughts anyway. Teddy On Apr 9, 2007, at 1:12 PM, Richard Sales wrote: > I thought the article was amazing not just for the actual > experiment but for other snippets that occurred, like Bell denying > that he is a genius and the 'if a tree falls' bit. > > The guy is obviously a top notch virtuoso and I'm dazzled that more > folks didn't stop. In a way, to me, it says something about how > the importance of music has slipped for many folks. > > I also think it makes a comment about the conformity and herd mind > of North America. If folks had KNOWN he was a world famous > violinist, they most certainly would have stopped - work or no > work. I mean, if Bob Dylan or Stevie Wonder or Britney Spears > busked at the same train station you would have had a serious > gridlock of gawkers and listeners. BUT! If someone equally as good > and creative (this adjective does not apply to Ms Spears) did it > and wasn't recognizable as a 'famous' person they would have been > shined on just like J Bell. I found it very fascinating and high > protein food for thought. > > I think it would be a fun experiment to repeat the experiment but > with the Washington Post cameras in full view and maybe some > bodyguards there to show that this was an important person. I bet > the results would be quit different. And that would be telling. > > And I think it says a lot about our vocation (or hobby maybe) for > some. And it should be sweet solace for those who know they are > very gifted and working at Wal Mart. The moral might be, "Fame has > its advantages." And it also brings to mind the brilliant human > observation, "To them that have more shall be given." > > > richard sales --Apple-Mail-17-273080099 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Yes, good article, thanks for = forwarding...

    if = you want something to be true... it can be for you with a little help = from your imagination.

    You obviously lean towards = thinking that North Americans are herd mentality and have lost touch = with music and therefore will be more inclined to interpret the findings = of the article in that light.

    I, on the other hand, = interpret it as a bunch of very busy people going to a place where they = will do something important to them and they don't want to be to be = bothered with some guy jamming on a violin no matter how good he is. = How=A0presumptuous and narcissistic it is of us musicians to think that = people actually want to hear music on the way to work anyway. They've = got things on their mind after all. Gearing up for the day can be great = and perhaps best done in relative silence and anything other than that = would be a distraction. Personally I'd rather have control over what I = listen to and that's why the ipod is good. I bet a lot of those passers = by had headphones on too and found the violin to be an = intrusion.

    I'm = all for freedom but busking, for me, sucks on many levels. It can be an = Intrusion, sometimes as bad as smoking cigarettes in a public place. = There are good points... but not as many as bad for me. There's the rare = occasion that a busker is doing something I'm remotely interested in = like playing a chinese violin or using puppets. That I'll take off my = headphones for... but a virtuoso classical=A0violinist playing Schubert = or a bebop guitarist playing standards? forget it. I don't care if it's = Joe Pass himself, I'd rather have holes punched in my ears with = toothpicks. but... of course, that's just me. So... no, if I knew it was = Josh Bell or any other famous classical person I wouldn't have = stopped... if it was Stevie Wonder I would have stopped. If it was = Britanny Spears i would have ran the other way.

    I'm a professional musician = who has never busked... so of course my take is skewed towards non = busking.

    just = keep it on topic... have any of you ambient loopers ever busked? How did = you get power in the subway? I think ambient looping would be = interesting busking since ambient music is all about setting a mood = without being in the way of people's thoughts anyway.

    Teddy


    On Apr 9, = 2007, at 1:12 PM, Richard Sales wrote:

    I thought the article was amazing not just for = the actual experiment but for other snippets that occurred, like Bell = denying that he is a genius and the 'if a tree falls' bit. =A0

    The guy is obviously a top notch virtuoso and I'm dazzled that = more folks didn't stop.=A0 = In a way, to me, it says something about how the importance of = music has slipped for many folks. =A0

    I = also think it makes a comment about the conformity and herd mind of = North America.=A0 If folks = had KNOWN he was a world famous violinist, they most certainly would = have stopped - work or no work.=A0 = I mean, if Bob Dylan or Stevie Wonder or Britney Spears busked at = the same train station you would have had a serious gridlock of gawkers = and listeners.=A0 BUT! If = someone equally as good and creative (this adjective does not apply to = Ms Spears) did it and wasn't recognizable as a 'famous' person they = would have been shined on just like J Bell.=A0 I found it very fascinating = and high protein food for thought.=A0

    I = think it would be a fun experiment to repeat the experiment but with the = Washington Post cameras in full view and maybe some bodyguards there to = show that this was an important person.=A0 I bet the results would be = quit different.=A0 And that = would be telling.
    And I think it says a = lot about our vocation (or hobby maybe) for some.=A0 And it should be sweet solace = for those who know they are very gifted and working at Wal Mart.=A0 The moral might be, "Fame has = its advantages." And it also brings to mind the brilliant human = observation, "To them that have more shall be given."

    richard = sales

     =

    = --Apple-Mail-17-273080099-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 9 20:06:13 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 75F2E3BF6B; Mon, 9 Apr 2007 20:06:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=DWSZhN9d26+Zp+GwxBsL0/KRE2pLe0N8hMLspv2eXOUEIAxiPMO/FCle4IlFZD6vhLqjQkk4rjnQkergTFREsqwJnkc3T3OcXOhiPYLX1g5jZby2ggUutvtXJKV64x+O4ZXPSHE4nAbhFpdt+0UyiM0QeSGXg00Eq2+5x7ZkW9I=; X-YMail-OSG: vuP.SPMVM1nCru8cNXNCkE0ia7QZw5Ghu1kPqHu.plTX7U2GdM.h_UrxD_X_LHoQDMmVyVzXgC35gTrVkHV4AlmsKTWL8LphsN9QVL6.C4RcvoICHl47aVwvZOT6fA-- Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2007 13:06:11 -0700 (PDT) From: S V G Subject: Re: OT: Busking To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20070409171855.E1B553BF60@arsenic.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <749970.64278.qm@web52804.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69434 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2007 20:06:13 +0000 (UTC) I myself have somewhat of a difficult relationship with buskers. All too often, there is not enough talent to shake a stick at. At the same time, I've spent a good hour from time to time just soaking up the radience that sometimes eminates from such performers. I remember as a teenager spending 3 hours watching a yellow-faced mime in San Francisco, just because I found myself so moved by his performance. Busking seems to be one of the most difficult of performance-craft that I know of. Either you play what is comfortable for the passers-by because you want to maximize your profit, or you stick to your guns and play your heart out in the moment of whatever the muse happens to bring you. Mostly crumbs, seldom a feast. Stephen ____________________________________________________________________________________ Get your own web address. Have a HUGE year through Yahoo! Small Business. http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/domains/?p=BESTDEAL From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 9 20:07:27 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 025A83BF6F; Mon, 9 Apr 2007 20:07:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=iIcCy9c2cU5owK3LPI3FsbJ99ZR51MrYV1r3MWoGpB1pEw9y+gcMOByOkG6sZG0K9ruqrma8rMMx516dR0eCjiopwJ+RDGI7WROEUcUrZ1pjPH6DQZ7ib6ZUyUH/LXGOm+lLCd6v7eg9CR1h4Tbj4cY4ZX9fGnK5EoFxqc58zBE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=okcuNUIv67DLzaw8bYtIpck8PgMAk9ekXxjljG0Agbml5WguNtYRDc/l6yOT7LJdMf+hO3T6l/cUig4Kdt86t+4yhypNrAQW65C+9+0e+w2PXYF/LkdnT8gRuMpPoaKlN6cNpU5ONc+ct5gFfnqSyC6gk+e0vcP8r3nU9oYBwDA= Message-ID: <4cf76a0b0704091307i12ed5c8fwed308bbeb501f920@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2007 13:07:24 -0700 From: "miles ward" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: Busking--it's hard for everyone In-Reply-To: <961E8665-1F62-4CE5-ADC6-A079B2EBF09B@mac.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <0A343619-545E-4D6C-B03C-0B48C7A066CF@aol.com> <53832d9f78c338ff1fdad2c6b0ecc41b@glasswing.com> <961E8665-1F62-4CE5-ADC6-A079B2EBF09B@mac.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69435 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2007 20:07:26 +0000 (UTC) Richard, on your idea with the news cameras and media attention: better experiment yet would be Stevie Wonder at one end of the hall, jammin his ass on a B3, but dirty, no media, etc, other end is WORTHLESS HACK who's never touched the instrument he's been handed, but media attention galore.. I agree that the crowd would form at the wrong place.. sad. As a busker of occasion (with possibly the most annoying busking instrument imaginable, large purple tuba) I'd agree with alot of what the list is saying, it's for the experience not the change. I wish we all lived in a complete meritocracy where goodness of all varieties was rewarded, but ah, welcome to the machine. Who are your favorite buskers? in seattle we have a few 5-gallon plastic can drummers who seriously rock, i've got half a mind to walk out on my day job one shiny afternoon with le' funk engine and see if they'd like to jam. I'll try to get video :) Much love all! -Miles On 4/9/07, Teddy Kumpel wrote: > Yes, good article, thanks for forwarding... > > if you want something to be true... it can be for you with a little help > from your imagination. > > You obviously lean towards thinking that North Americans are herd mentality > and have lost touch with music and therefore will be more inclined to > interpret the findings of the article in that light. > > I, on the other hand, interpret it as a bunch of very busy people going to a > place where they will do something important to them and they don't want to > be to be bothered with some guy jamming on a violin no matter how good he > is. How presumptuous and narcissistic it is of us musicians to think that > people actually want to hear music on the way to work anyway. They've got > things on their mind after all. Gearing up for the day can be great and > perhaps best done in relative silence and anything other than that would be > a distraction. Personally I'd rather have control over what I listen to and > that's why the ipod is good. I bet a lot of those passers by had headphones > on too and found the violin to be an intrusion. > > I'm all for freedom but busking, for me, sucks on many levels. It can be an > Intrusion, sometimes as bad as smoking cigarettes in a public place. There > are good points... but not as many as bad for me. There's the rare occasion > that a busker is doing something I'm remotely interested in like playing a > chinese violin or using puppets. That I'll take off my headphones for... but > a virtuoso classical violinist playing Schubert or a bebop guitarist playing > standards? forget it. I don't care if it's Joe Pass himself, I'd rather have > holes punched in my ears with toothpicks. but... of course, that's just me. > So... no, if I knew it was Josh Bell or any other famous classical person I > wouldn't have stopped... if it was Stevie Wonder I would have stopped. If it > was Britanny Spears i would have ran the other way. > > I'm a professional musician who has never busked... so of course my take is > skewed towards non busking. > > just keep it on topic... have any of you ambient loopers ever busked? How > did you get power in the subway? I think ambient looping would be > interesting busking since ambient music is all about setting a mood without > being in the way of people's thoughts anyway. > > Teddy > > > > On Apr 9, 2007, at 1:12 PM, Richard Sales wrote: > > I thought the article was amazing not just for the actual experiment but for > other snippets that occurred, like Bell denying that he is a genius and the > 'if a tree falls' bit. > > The guy is obviously a top notch virtuoso and I'm dazzled that more folks > didn't stop. In a way, to me, it says something about how the importance of > music has slipped for many folks. > > I also think it makes a comment about the conformity and herd mind of North > America. If folks had KNOWN he was a world famous violinist, they most > certainly would have stopped - work or no work. I mean, if Bob Dylan or > Stevie Wonder or Britney Spears busked at the same train station you would > have had a serious gridlock of gawkers and listeners. BUT! If someone > equally as good and creative (this adjective does not apply to Ms Spears) > did it and wasn't recognizable as a 'famous' person they would have been > shined on just like J Bell. I found it very fascinating and high protein > food for thought. > > I think it would be a fun experiment to repeat the experiment but with the > Washington Post cameras in full view and maybe some bodyguards there to show > that this was an important person. I bet the results would be quit > different. And that would be telling. > > And I think it says a lot about our vocation (or hobby maybe) for some. And > it should be sweet solace for those who know they are very gifted and > working at Wal Mart. The moral might be, "Fame has its advantages." And it > also brings to mind the brilliant human observation, "To them that have more > shall be given." > > > richard sales > > > -- ---Miles Ward From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 9 20:10:24 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3614A3BF26; Mon, 9 Apr 2007 20:10:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <961E8665-1F62-4CE5-ADC6-A079B2EBF09B@mac.com> References: <0A343619-545E-4D6C-B03C-0B48C7A066CF@aol.com> <53832d9f78c338ff1fdad2c6b0ecc41b@glasswing.com> <961E8665-1F62-4CE5-ADC6-A079B2EBF09B@mac.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <324540F9-3DE9-4D90-8B93-87C6D657FD20@midway.uchicago.edu> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Jeff Shirkey Subject: Re: OT: Busking--it's hard for everyone Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2007 15:11:58 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69436 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2007 20:10:24 +0000 (UTC) > > I, on the other hand, interpret it as a bunch of very busy people > going to a place where they will do something important to them and > they don't want to be to be bothered with some guy jamming on a > violin no matter how good he is. How presumptuous and narcissistic > it is of us musicians to think that people actually want to hear > music on the way to work anyway. Amen. > There's the rare occasion that a busker is doing something I'm > remotely interested in like playing a chinese violin or using > puppets. That I'll take off my headphones for... but a virtuoso > classical violinist playing Schubert or a bebop guitarist playing > standards? forget it. I don't care if it's Joe Pass himself, I'd > rather have holes punched in my ears with toothpicks. but... of > course, that's just me. Pardon my ignorance, but what makes a Chinese violin different from a 'regular' (?) one? And puppets?? What's up with that? Well, I know I'd stop for Joe Pass. Hell, I'd skip work altogether. But to each his own. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 9 20:22:22 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9EBF93BF14; Mon, 9 Apr 2007 20:22:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <461AA075.30704@mhorse.com> Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2007 15:22:13 -0500 From: Daryl Shawn User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.10 (Windows/20070221) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: Busking--it's hard for everyone References: <0A343619-545E-4D6C-B03C-0B48C7A066CF@aol.com> <53832d9f78c338ff1fdad2c6b0ecc41b@glasswing.com> <961E8665-1F62-4CE5-ADC6-A079B2EBF09B@mac.com> <324540F9-3DE9-4D90-8B93-87C6D657FD20@midway.uchicago.edu> In-Reply-To: <324540F9-3DE9-4D90-8B93-87C6D657FD20@midway.uchicago.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69437 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2007 20:22:22 +0000 (UTC) Possibly true, but how presumptuous and narcissistic it is of companies to plaster every inch of a transit station with their marketing materials to bombard my eyeballs? When I lived in San Francisco I'd see advertising campaigns that would, literally, buy the entire station so that every frame was filled only with their stuff. I certainly never asked for THAT. The public is the public, and adding something remotely artistically worthwhile to the space is as valid as all the other stuff one must put up with. My life has been enriched numerous times by the music played by brave individuals in unendorsed spaces. I'm still laughing at this: "the most annoying busking instrument imaginable, large purple tuba.."...not just a tuba...but.....a PURPLE one! Daryl Shawn www.swanwelder.com www.chinapaintingmusic.com > How presumptuous and narcissistic it is of us musicians to think that > people actually want to hear music on the way to work anyway From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 9 20:23:09 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F39F33BF43; Mon, 9 Apr 2007 20:23:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [4.246.75.69] X-Originating-Email: [sambacomet@hotmail.com] X-Sender: sambacomet@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <20070409151423.750A03BF47@arsenic.violacea.com> From: "samba -" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: busking Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2007 13:23:06 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Apr 2007 20:23:07.0694 (UTC) FILETIME=[E2A4ECE0:01C77AE4] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69438 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2007 20:23:08 +0000 (UTC) We made 1400 dollars busking once-in about 2 hours.Our previous record was 800. Just cause somone is a virtuoso instrumentalist doesn't mean they know how to busk. Classical repertoire requires steady attention and not distractions.Not apporpriate to the venue when busking. What is appropriate is stuff that is very rhythmic,can be enjoyed while not a t center of attention,is dynamic enough to grab attaention,etc. I highly reccomend busking for anyone who hasn't done it.It's a great way to learn about musical communication. _________________________________________________________________ Mortgage rates near historic lows. Refinance $200,000 loan for as low as $771/month* https://www2.nextag.com/goto.jsp?product=100000035&url=%2fst.jsp&tm=y&search=mortgage_text_links_88_h27f8&disc=y&vers=689&s=4056&p=5117 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 9 20:28:09 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B0BDC3BF40; Mon, 9 Apr 2007 20:28:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2007 13:18:32 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: David Gans Subject: Re: OT: Interesting article on busking in D.C. Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="============_-1035972012==_ma============" X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - vps.gdhour.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - trufun.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: <25-86D.A.UaG.ZHqGGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69439 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2007 20:28:09 +0000 (UTC) --============_-1035972012==_ma============ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" At 11:11 AM -0400 4/9/07, Tony K wrote: >quite interesting... > >http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/04/04/AR2007040401721_pf.html > Loved it! Blogged it at http://gdhour.com/logblog/?p=395 A columnist at Salon was not so impressed: http://www.salon.com/ent/audiofile/2007/04/09/classical/index.html And apparently there are others in the blogosphere who misread the piece pretty drastically. -- David Gans - david@trufun.com or david@gdhour.com Truth and Fun, Inc., 484 Lake Park Ave. #102, Oakland CA 94610-2730 Blog: http://logblog.gdhour.com Web site: http://www.dgans.com --============_-1035972012==_ma============ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Re: OT: Interesting article on busking in D.C.
    At 11:11 AM -0400 4/9/07, Tony K wrote:
    quite interesting...
    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/04/04/AR2007040401721_pf.html

    Loved it!  Blogged it at http://gdhour.com/logblog/?p=395

    A columnist at Salon was not so impressed:

    http://www.salon.com/ent/audiofile/2007/04/09/classical/index.html
    And apparently there are others in the blogosphere who misread the piece pretty drastically.




    --

    David Gans - david@trufun.com or david@gdhour.com
    Truth and Fun, Inc., 484 Lake Park Ave. #102, Oakland CA 94610-2730
    Blog:  http://logblog.gdhour.com
    Web site: http://www.dgans.com
    --============_-1035972012==_ma============-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 9 20:28:10 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7F8613BF60; Mon, 9 Apr 2007 20:28:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <9e0440a60704090814l2dcbd792nb515b5bfbd6adc27@mail.gmail.com> References: <9e0440a60704090814l2dcbd792nb515b5bfbd6adc27@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2007 13:23:48 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: David Gans Subject: Re: OT: Busking--it's hard for everyone Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - vps.gdhour.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - trufun.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69440 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2007 20:28:10 +0000 (UTC) At 11:14 AM -0400 4/9/07, Jim Goodin wrote: >Most times the experience is more about doing it than income I agree. That's why I play the Farmers' Market near my home, which is a scheduled gig but pretty much the same as busking because almost no one is there to hear me play. (I do have a few fans who show up when they know I'm going to be there, but still.) > however I have had a few nice things over the years. A few years >ago a guy was watching me and appeared to be sketching. He put a >caricture and a note down in my case to call him if I played >weddings so that led to a booking. Have sold a few CD's and got a >few bucks. One neat personal experienced happened one evening. I >had quit and was walking out of the subway in Brooklyn. About a >block later a woman passed by me and said, 'that was really lovely >what you played...' Though those don't pay the rent in a sense >that's why we do it... Nice stories. -- David Gans - david@trufun.com or david@gdhour.com Truth and Fun, Inc., 484 Lake Park Ave. #102, Oakland CA 94610-2730 Blog: http://logblog.gdhour.com Web site: http://www.dgans.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 9 20:28:11 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 80DB93BF6B; Mon, 9 Apr 2007 20:28:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <0A343619-545E-4D6C-B03C-0B48C7A066CF@aol.com> Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2007 13:26:51 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: David Gans Subject: Re: OT: Busking--it's hard for everyone Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - vps.gdhour.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - trufun.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69441 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2007 20:28:11 +0000 (UTC) At 9:54 AM -0700 4/9/07, Travis Hartnett wrote: >Playing at a "destination" site, such as an outdoor craft or farmer's >market on a pretty weekend afternoon might get you more attention and >money, because people are there to wander around, look at things and >spend money, not hurry to and from their job. Yeah, that's an important distinction. When I play the Farmers' Market, I pretty much have zero expectations so I'm always pleasantly surprised. -- David Gans - david@trufun.com or david@gdhour.com Truth and Fun, Inc., 484 Lake Park Ave. #102, Oakland CA 94610-2730 Blog: http://logblog.gdhour.com Web site: http://www.dgans.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 9 20:31:29 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 738F63BF56; Mon, 9 Apr 2007 20:31:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [4.246.75.69] X-Originating-Email: [sambacomet@hotmail.com] X-Sender: sambacomet@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <20070409151423.750A03BF47@arsenic.violacea.com> From: "samba -" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: greek Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2007 13:31:23 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Apr 2007 20:31:25.0263 (UTC) FILETIME=[0B37EDF0:01C77AE6] Resent-Message-ID: <2sD_GD.A.A0G.hKqGGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69442 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2007 20:31:29 +0000 (UTC) I used to play allthat vangelis stuff on the radio in the late 70s early 80s. Haven't heard any of it since then,yhough I did find a copy of spiral in the thrift store recently.Haven't listened to it yet,but it was my fave back then. I didn't like the stuff when he got famous as much. Odd thing about the comments about China-back then there was no indication that the CHinese economy would emerge for generations.They were mostly farmers.,still and made pig iron in backyard forges ,didn't have a domestic steel industry really,now they have the biggest ever. I don't mean to suggest that this can't be heard in the music. _________________________________________________________________ Mortgage refinance is Hot. *Terms. Get a 5.375%* fix rate. Check savings https://www2.nextag.com/goto.jsp?product=100000035&url=%2fst.jsp&tm=y&search=mortgage_text_links_88_h2bbb&disc=y&vers=925&s=4056&p=5117 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 9 21:01:11 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 228293BED0; Mon, 9 Apr 2007 21:01:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Originating-IP: [216.113.128.239] X-Identified-User: {864:box76.bluehost.com:kevinkis:kevinkissinger.com} {sentby:webmail from 216.113.128.239} Message-ID: <20070409160108.azwh81mf40g000s8@69.89.21.76> Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2007 16:01:08 -0500 From: kkissinger@kevinkissinger.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: busking References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.3) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69443 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2007 21:01:11 +0000 (UTC) Quoting samba - : > Just cause somone is a virtuoso instrumentalist doesn't mean > they know how to busk. ... or even can hold down a job. I know of many highly trained =20 classical organists who are unable to hold down steady church jobs =20 because they are insensitive to the desires of their church-employers. > Classical repertoire requires steady attention > and not distractions.Not apporpriate to the venue when busking. This is true just about anywhere. Classical music, particularly the =20 works of Johann Sebastian Bach, are demanding works for both =20 performers AND listeners. Bach's music possesses what I call an =20 "intrusion factor" -- except for the most cerebral music (such as "The =20 Musical Offering") most of it is too strident to have in the =20 background. Although Bach's music is recognised in many circles as =20 the epitome of church music, if I played a Bach Fugue as a prelude in =20 my church I would be tarred and feathered. People have expectations. In some churches, people may expect to hear =20 major works before church. In others, people want to socialize. At =20 still others (like the church I play at), people want it quiet. > What is > appropriate is stuff that is very rhythmic,can be enjoyed while not a t > center of attention,is dynamic enough to grab attaention,etc. Worded a different way -- the music doesn't demand attention yet, for =20 those that choose to pay attention, there is something there worth =20 listening to. Most musicians and many great composers worked under =20 constraints. Indeed, it is possible to create create music while =20 working under severe constraints. > I highly > reccomend busking for anyone who hasn't done it. It's a great way to > learn about musical communication. I think it would be fun. Playing the pipe organ doesn't lend itself =20 to busking. With electronic instruments (synthesizer, theremin) there =20 would be logistical issues with moving the equipment and finding an =20 a/c power source. A friend of mine went out in Manhatten one day with a small (battery =20 powered) Theremin and amplifier. He reported that crowds gathered =20 when he played Beatles songs and scattered as soon as he played =20 something classical. His solution was simple... when no one was =20 around, he played classical to entertain himself and as soon as people =20 were within earshot he played tunes with which people were familiar. Another point, well-taken, is that people were on their commutes to =20 work and most of them probably were running on tight schedules. To do =20 this experiment in a park or a district where street performers are =20 part of the draw might have yielded a different result. -- Kevin From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 9 21:02:56 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E3D953BED3; Mon, 9 Apr 2007 21:02:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: <324540F9-3DE9-4D90-8B93-87C6D657FD20@midway.uchicago.edu> References: <0A343619-545E-4D6C-B03C-0B48C7A066CF@aol.com> <53832d9f78c338ff1fdad2c6b0ecc41b@glasswing.com> <961E8665-1F62-4CE5-ADC6-A079B2EBF09B@mac.com> <324540F9-3DE9-4D90-8B93-87C6D657FD20@midway.uchicago.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <152B5B86-9AC2-4D05-AADA-4435F99DCD95@mac.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Teddy Subject: Re: OT: Busking--it's hard for everyone Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2007 17:02:53 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAA== X-Brightmail-scanned: yes Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69444 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2007 21:02:56 +0000 (UTC) On Apr 9, 2007, at 4:11 PM, Jeff Shirkey wrote: > >> >> I, on the other hand, interpret it as a bunch of very busy people >> going to a place where they will do something important to them >> and they don't want to be to be bothered with some guy jamming on >> a violin no matter how good he is. How presumptuous and >> narcissistic it is of us musicians to think that people actually >> want to hear music on the way to work anyway. > > Amen. > >> There's the rare occasion that a busker is doing something I'm >> remotely interested in like playing a chinese violin or using >> puppets. That I'll take off my headphones for... but a virtuoso >> classical violinist playing Schubert or a bebop guitarist playing >> standards? forget it. I don't care if it's Joe Pass himself, I'd >> rather have holes punched in my ears with toothpicks. but... of >> course, that's just me. > > Pardon my ignorance, but what makes a Chinese violin different from > a 'regular' (?) one? And puppets?? What's up with that? > > Well, I know I'd stop for Joe Pass. Hell, I'd skip work altogether. > But to each his own. > > Jeff A Chinese violin sits on your knee and has one string. I like puppets better than Joe Pass... don't know why... I just do. Teddy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 9 21:06:59 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5EE3D3BEE2; Mon, 9 Apr 2007 21:06:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: <461AA075.30704@mhorse.com> References: <0A343619-545E-4D6C-B03C-0B48C7A066CF@aol.com> <53832d9f78c338ff1fdad2c6b0ecc41b@glasswing.com> <961E8665-1F62-4CE5-ADC6-A079B2EBF09B@mac.com> <324540F9-3DE9-4D90-8B93-87C6D657FD20@midway.uchicago.edu> <461AA075.30704@mhorse.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Teddy Subject: Re: OT: Busking--it's hard for everyone Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2007 17:06:53 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAA== X-Brightmail-scanned: yes Resent-Message-ID: <9PhnbD.A.s8.yrqGGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69445 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2007 21:06:59 +0000 (UTC) ahhh yes, true... but you don't have to look at them... you can just look the other way. Audio is harder to avoid. one man's art is another's annoyance... some people like ads better than classical music. not me... just some people. also, we live in a capitalist society last time I checked... so if you have money you can get things done. That's just how it works. I ain't saying it's good... but it's where we live... complaining isn't going to change that. Teddy On Apr 9, 2007, at 4:22 PM, Daryl Shawn wrote: > Possibly true, but how presumptuous and narcissistic it is of > companies to plaster every inch of a transit station with their > marketing materials to bombard my eyeballs? When I lived in San > Francisco I'd see advertising campaigns that would, literally, buy > the entire station so that every frame was filled only with their > stuff. I certainly never asked for THAT. The public is the public, > and adding something remotely artistically worthwhile to the space > is as valid as all the other stuff one must put up with. > > My life has been enriched numerous times by the music played by > brave individuals in unendorsed spaces. > > I'm still laughing at this: "the most annoying busking instrument > imaginable, large purple tuba.."...not just a tuba...but.....a > PURPLE one! > > Daryl Shawn > www.swanwelder.com > www.chinapaintingmusic.com > >> How presumptuous and narcissistic it is of us musicians to think >> that people actually want to hear music on the way to work anyway > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 9 21:29:31 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 620133BF00; Mon, 9 Apr 2007 21:29:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <461AB02E.8040406@mhorse.com> Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2007 16:29:18 -0500 From: Daryl Shawn User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.10 (Windows/20070221) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: Busking--it's hard for everyone References: <0A343619-545E-4D6C-B03C-0B48C7A066CF@aol.com> <53832d9f78c338ff1fdad2c6b0ecc41b@glasswing.com> <961E8665-1F62-4CE5-ADC6-A079B2EBF09B@mac.com> <324540F9-3DE9-4D90-8B93-87C6D657FD20@midway.uchicago.edu> <461AA075.30704@mhorse.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <90fRdD.A.g6B.7ArGGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69446 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2007 21:29:31 +0000 (UTC) I suppose so, but audio is localized, unless it's seriously amped; one can move away, unless you're lucky enough to be in an elevator with the electric zither/chinese violin/purple tuba. The other choice is to plug in the ubiquitous white earbuds, if they're not already installed. I was just sayin' if buskers are presumptuous, so are the ads. I feel that complaints about either could be directed to both. Most annoying "buskers" I've ever seen: in Mexico City, occasionally a truck will come by the lovely plaza in front of the Bellas Artes and disgorge five uniformed organ grinders who start a-grinding. That's bad enough - tonal music played on untuned instruments, in chorus - but along with them are double their number of donation collectors, also uniformed, who forcefully accost every passersby for cash. Not only the music questionable, but so is the artistry of mere handle-cranking, and the army of solicitors guarantee that pretty much everyone runs for cover. Daryl Shawn www.swanwelder.com www.chinapaintingmusic.com > ahhh yes, true... but you don't have to look at them... you can just > look the other way. Audio is harder to avoid. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 9 21:30:15 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A39793BF06; Mon, 9 Apr 2007 21:30:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4772895.1176154214433.JavaMail.root@web31> Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2007 14:30:14 -0700 From: Paul Richards To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: Busking--it's hard for everyone Cc: David Gans MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Sensitivity: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69447 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2007 21:30:15 +0000 (UTC) (About a block later a woman passed by me and said, 'that was really lovely what you played...') Can you met chicks that way? If so, I may start busking myself! Paul Richards ---- David Gans wrote: > At 11:14 AM -0400 4/9/07, Jim Goodin wrote: > > >Most times the experience is more about doing it than income > > I agree. That's why I play the Farmers' Market near my home, which > is a scheduled gig but pretty much the same as busking because almost > no one is there to hear me play. (I do have a few fans who show up > when they know I'm going to be there, but still.) > > > > however I have had a few nice things over the years. A few years > >ago a guy was watching me and appeared to be sketching. He put a > >caricture and a note down in my case to call him if I played > >weddings so that led to a booking. Have sold a few CD's and got a > >few bucks. One neat personal experienced happened one evening. I > >had quit and was walking out of the subway in Brooklyn. About a > >block later a woman passed by me and said, 'that was really lovely > >what you played...' Though those don't pay the rent in a sense > >that's why we do it... > > Nice stories. > > > > -- > > David Gans - david@trufun.com or david@gdhour.com > Truth and Fun, Inc., 484 Lake Park Ave. #102, Oakland CA 94610-2730 > Blog: http://logblog.gdhour.com > Web site: http://www.dgans.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 9 21:32:33 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A8BEB3BEFA; Mon, 9 Apr 2007 21:32:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <20255505.1176154352570.JavaMail.root@web31> Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2007 14:32:32 -0700 From: Paul Richards To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: Busking--it's hard for everyone Cc: Teddy Kumpel MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Sensitivity: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <5kyMRC.A.VLC.xDrGGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69448 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2007 21:32:33 +0000 (UTC) (If it was Britanny Spears i would have ran the other way.) And miss a potential 'upskirt' shot?! -- Paul Richards ---- Teddy Kumpel wrote: > Yes, good article, thanks for forwarding... > > if you want something to be true... it can be for you with a little > help from your imagination. > > You obviously lean towards thinking that North Americans are herd > mentality and have lost touch with music and therefore will be more > inclined to interpret the findings of the article in that light. > > I, on the other hand, interpret it as a bunch of very busy people > going to a place where they will do something important to them and > they don't want to be to be bothered with some guy jamming on a > violin no matter how good he is. How presumptuous and narcissistic it > is of us musicians to think that people actually want to hear music > on the way to work anyway. They've got things on their mind after > all. Gearing up for the day can be great and perhaps best done in > relative silence and anything other than that would be a distraction. > Personally I'd rather have control over what I listen to and that's > why the ipod is good. I bet a lot of those passers by had headphones > on too and found the violin to be an intrusion. > > I'm all for freedom but busking, for me, sucks on many levels. It can > be an Intrusion, sometimes as bad as smoking cigarettes in a public > place. There are good points... but not as many as bad for me. > There's the rare occasion that a busker is doing something I'm > remotely interested in like playing a chinese violin or using > puppets. That I'll take off my headphones for... but a virtuoso > classical violinist playing Schubert or a bebop guitarist playing > standards? forget it. I don't care if it's Joe Pass himself, I'd > rather have holes punched in my ears with toothpicks. but... of > course, that's just me. So... no, if I knew it was Josh Bell or any > other famous classical person I wouldn't have stopped... if it was > Stevie Wonder I would have stopped. If it was Britanny Spears i would > have ran the other way. > > I'm a professional musician who has never busked... so of course my > take is skewed towards non busking. > > just keep it on topic... have any of you ambient loopers ever busked? > How did you get power in the subway? I think ambient looping would be > interesting busking since ambient music is all about setting a mood > without being in the way of people's thoughts anyway. > > Teddy > > > On Apr 9, 2007, at 1:12 PM, Richard Sales wrote: > > > I thought the article was amazing not just for the actual > > experiment but for other snippets that occurred, like Bell denying > > that he is a genius and the 'if a tree falls' bit. > > > > The guy is obviously a top notch virtuoso and I'm dazzled that more > > folks didn't stop. In a way, to me, it says something about how > > the importance of music has slipped for many folks. > > > > I also think it makes a comment about the conformity and herd mind > > of North America. If folks had KNOWN he was a world famous > > violinist, they most certainly would have stopped - work or no > > work. I mean, if Bob Dylan or Stevie Wonder or Britney Spears > > busked at the same train station you would have had a serious > > gridlock of gawkers and listeners. BUT! If someone equally as good > > and creative (this adjective does not apply to Ms Spears) did it > > and wasn't recognizable as a 'famous' person they would have been > > shined on just like J Bell. I found it very fascinating and high > > protein food for thought. > > > > I think it would be a fun experiment to repeat the experiment but > > with the Washington Post cameras in full view and maybe some > > bodyguards there to show that this was an important person. I bet > > the results would be quit different. And that would be telling. > > > > And I think it says a lot about our vocation (or hobby maybe) for > > some. And it should be sweet solace for those who know they are > > very gifted and working at Wal Mart. The moral might be, "Fame has > > its advantages." And it also brings to mind the brilliant human > > observation, "To them that have more shall be given." > > > > > > richard sales > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 9 22:01:48 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A21EA3BF02; Mon, 9 Apr 2007 22:01:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <461AC62E.1050902@imt.net> Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2007 16:03:10 -0700 From: Bob Weigel User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: greek References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69449 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2007 22:01:48 +0000 (UTC) Yeah Spiral is great. The intro song begins great anyway then goes just a little long on the anthem thing for my taste...hehe. but after that goes into that great transition section and the next song is one of my all time favorites from him with the peculiar voices ..yeah that one :-). And exactly regarding china. The work almost seems to have a prophetic quality to it in retrospect the way I hear it. I could probably write a paper on it but I've got to go to lunch :-). Everyone just listen if you haven't heard it ever or forever :-) .-Bob samba - wrote: > > I used to play allthat vangelis stuff on the radio in the late 70s > early 80s. Haven't heard any of it since then,yhough I did find a copy > of spiral in the thrift store recently.Haven't listened to it yet,but > it was my fave back then. I didn't like the stuff when he got famous > as much. Odd thing about the comments about China-back then there was > no indication that the CHinese economy would emerge for > generations.They were mostly farmers.,still and made pig iron in > backyard forges ,didn't have a domestic steel industry really,now they > have the biggest ever. I don't mean to suggest that this can't be > heard in the music. > > _________________________________________________________________ > Mortgage refinance is Hot. *Terms. Get a 5.375%* fix rate. Check > savings > https://www2.nextag.com/goto.jsp?product=100000035&url=%2fst.jsp&tm=y&search=mortgage_text_links_88_h2bbb&disc=y&vers=925&s=4056&p=5117 > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 9 22:22:47 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 00A7F3BEE1; Mon, 9 Apr 2007 22:22:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=u/SzemSanwm73RhZG09zwwwpTyhxdpT3KKQj5Q6m4iJOafOGTbaoO2Us8hjRILOPZV/yv8yPnAh2+fWtxe6L2aNu2tYxQ9p+vwmvK/CxHv98v6N6I2HMJJNvI8M6YyXYRrcdqLGhYmzshY6LgEkR/8RaDmVs91B83zzQMkcjf3k=; X-YMail-OSG: 8LoGGWMVM1nfyYN8FVHKxfe6au4SsYdnulaX0b4mnJ25QPVm_kIka7lNXZyYzvwBnVN1d5hMO2fp6fR9IYsAGHnjbnzOHH3XUbYgpxNslh92K.szOyeQ1Kwxn8UgZw-- Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2007 15:22:45 -0700 (PDT) From: bill bigrig Subject: busking To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <264779.97902.qm@web32711.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69450 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2007 22:22:46 +0000 (UTC) howdy, howard jones was busking in a london subway with a juno 6 or 60 when he was,"discovered". rig ____________________________________________________________________________________ 8:00? 8:25? 8:40? Find a flick in no time with the Yahoo! Search movie showtime shortcut. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/shortcuts/#news From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 9 22:24:46 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 888D83BEF7; Mon, 9 Apr 2007 22:24:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: <264779.97902.qm@web32711.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <264779.97902.qm@web32711.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <23B40276-2680-44B4-A010-513CAB4FC917@mac.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Teddy Subject: Re: busking Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2007 18:24:42 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAA== X-Brightmail-scanned: yes Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69451 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2007 22:24:46 +0000 (UTC) where is he now? On Apr 9, 2007, at 6:22 PM, bill bigrig wrote: > howdy, > > howard jones was busking in a london subway with a > juno 6 or 60 when he was,"discovered". > rig From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 9 22:26:28 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7417C3BEF8; Mon, 9 Apr 2007 22:26:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=MDttX9ZGj3oefFC8xJpFYnpBEzhVyNkInJWp+vbUr/x7yJFC4o73a/c4BqwVchmyD+hquPWDgtOuX9k2e8OsPRCvkAcyS0CfqG86gW/BFTHv48/VqQitaPl+6XNAslup5mxrnhKK9Eh7+RdE5kip+7eDWHQqOkzpfo6IqirTDtY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=bzitvsN5heHU8cvA2RMDf49d2s3Ue7xzZ7njJ9/l/nZl/ru+hMgM7AlhI4Sxb+DhxMM4r8QUvk5g8hTcAT62UVbwfNHnRGWa1LbYI5AcKsWvPet8nrfYBGNSr8la95N3RpK4riHXHLvZ+Ujl1cK/OlLn+rKEIJCXc5uJLQNPMdU= Message-ID: Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2007 15:26:26 -0700 From: "Travis Hartnett" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: busking In-Reply-To: <23B40276-2680-44B4-A010-513CAB4FC917@mac.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <264779.97902.qm@web32711.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <23B40276-2680-44B4-A010-513CAB4FC917@mac.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69452 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2007 22:26:28 +0000 (UTC) Putting out albums and touring the world from the looks of it: http://www.howardjones.com/hojo.html On 4/9/07, Teddy wrote: > where is he now? > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 9 22:31:16 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 649703BEF8; Mon, 9 Apr 2007 22:31:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <152B5B86-9AC2-4D05-AADA-4435F99DCD95@mac.com> References: <0A343619-545E-4D6C-B03C-0B48C7A066CF@aol.com> <53832d9f78c338ff1fdad2c6b0ecc41b@glasswing.com> <961E8665-1F62-4CE5-ADC6-A079B2EBF09B@mac.com> <324540F9-3DE9-4D90-8B93-87C6D657FD20@midway.uchicago.edu> <152B5B86-9AC2-4D05-AADA-4435F99DCD95@mac.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <53A87F6B-4179-497B-905E-DB1614F34DFF@midway.uchicago.edu> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Jeff Shirkey Subject: Re: OT: Busking--it's hard for everyone Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2007 17:32:51 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69453 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2007 22:31:16 +0000 (UTC) > > I like puppets better than Joe Pass... This may be the strangest statement I've ever read on this very strange list. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 9 22:49:42 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5DAFC3BEE8; Mon, 9 Apr 2007 22:49:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-SBRS: None X-SenderGroup: RELAYLIST X-MailFlowPolicy: $RELAYED X-MID: 491905901 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C77AF9.5B611A03" Subject: RE: busking Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2007 23:49:40 +0100 Message-ID: <1BB076E4C332F9469148F41725F17A720204DDCB@MTVNE-EXCLUST02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: busking Thread-Index: Acd6+Eg7HDAHi9DtRt6kfbZoJwPydw== References: From: "Goddard, Duncan" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Apr 2007 22:49:40.0496 (UTC) FILETIME=[5B900900:01C77AF9] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69454 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2007 22:49:42 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C77AF9.5B611A03 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable >>It's a great way to learn about musical communication.<< I think that's broadly true of all live performance- I'm always = lecturing people to the effect that one gig is worth a hundred rehearsal = sessions- but busking by it's very nature requires of the performer an = enhanced ability to react to the immediate environment. in london now, = they have a panel a bit like "x-factor" or "pop idol" to decide who gets = busking rights in the busiest tube stations. I wish I knew how they = decided- for my money (no pun intended), there are far too many = "karaoke" buskers now... I don't care if they spend hours making their = own backing tapes or if they just download them from someplace.... = backing tapes seem dishonest somehow. does anyone (london-based) recall the stanley jordan type who used to = play outside the EMI publishing offices on charing-cross road? only time = I've seen a busker with a DL4... I'm sure there are others, but this guy = was something special. don't know what became of him- perhaps he's been = signed. duncan. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C77AF9.5B611A03 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: busking

    >>It's a great way to learn about musical = communication.<<

    I think that's broadly true of all live performance- I'm always = lecturing people to the effect that one gig is worth a hundred rehearsal = sessions- but busking by it's very nature requires of the performer an = enhanced ability to react to the immediate environment. in london now, = they have a panel a bit like "x-factor" or "pop = idol" to decide who gets busking rights in the busiest tube = stations. I wish I knew how they decided- for my money (no pun = intended), there are far too many "karaoke" buskers now... I = don't care if they spend hours making their own backing tapes or if they = just download them from someplace.... backing tapes seem dishonest = somehow.

    does anyone (london-based) recall the stanley jordan type who used to = play outside the EMI publishing offices on charing-cross road? only time = I've seen a busker with a DL4... I'm sure there are others, but this guy = was something special. don't know what became of him- perhaps he's been = signed.

    duncan.

    ------_=_NextPart_001_01C77AF9.5B611A03-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 9 22:58:33 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8AE043BEF6; Mon, 9 Apr 2007 22:58:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=Q1jTA4iF6BNxl34tFP6Q2VdD8gja7PAub/9zkZcDzR3K9MyaoHaGoKwr/4vwZtGXb+M323r2PRIo58aONiOAYLYclsCZ3xbEztiKmBqVSQvhPF4jg2prhthU7KzsnG3f4GVOqF/7+XR6wWAVfORMW3lfSy4gYnr9IPKQOv1cQqg=; X-YMail-OSG: Brlr27YVM1kD4EFZS.T_W8c2STHlco3hO_v4Ex3YBmF.nJoobTshGeCY.1K3b0xA9Zg9AeiE5IJaWOxFACbLtT3IQ2TEnWnfqoWbJBvHdrcrAWym9Yny3cRvmdPNMw-- Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2007 15:58:32 -0700 (PDT) From: bill bigrig Subject: looping on portable recorders To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <330501.67215.qm@web32712.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69455 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2007 22:58:33 +0000 (UTC) Howdy, you might want to check out the Boss line of multitracks. I think thety might have a bit more editing capability. Don't forget the availability and number of "virtual tracks". that way, you can lay down your loops, put in fades and cross fade them if necessary. Rig ____________________________________________________________________________________ Expecting? Get great news right away with email Auto-Check. Try the Yahoo! Mail Beta. http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/mailbeta/newmail_tools.html From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 9 23:46:14 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2B7E53BEF0; Mon, 9 Apr 2007 23:46:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [4.246.45.251] X-Originating-Email: [sambacomet@hotmail.com] X-Sender: sambacomet@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <20070409202810.4708F3BF48@arsenic.violacea.com> From: "samba -" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: busking Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2007 16:46:08 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Apr 2007 23:46:13.0016 (UTC) FILETIME=[41A98180:01C77B01] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69456 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2007 23:46:14 +0000 (UTC) My favorite buskers are Artis the spoonthang ,Baby Gramps,the Human Jukebox guy in SF in the 70s. I actually saw the legendary street performer Moondog in NY in the very early 70s,Thelonious Monk,members of Pentangle and the Band were among his fans. There was an 80s band called Violent Femmes who were busking outside a Pretenders show.The kids standing in line were mostly ignoring them ,but someone in the pretenders heard and dug them,and when the show started VF were onstage opening ,and got hooked up to get signed. True there's no reason to expect busy commuters to have time to stop and play audience.There are many possible responses to this truth. One is to make them stop and listen,and watch ,and ,make them give you money by being totally irresistable ( this usually requires a fair amount of schtick, just like rock music). Another is to not try to stop them but to play music that energizes them or improves their mood. It's possible to play music that doesn't require intellectual attention to be enjoyable. Speak to the body,and it doesn't matter if they are paying conscious attention. If you do this in the same spot regulary ,you'll make money. Another is just do what you do and ignore them, it will moslty be mutual,wait for someone on your wavelenght.You can always play for people waiting in lines. I've met many players who want audiences to pay attention to them,but don't pay attention to the audience. I garuntee you BB king has never ignoreed an audience in his life.He started out busking. _________________________________________________________________ Mortgage rates near historic lows. Refinance $200,000 loan for as low as $771/month* https://www2.nextag.com/goto.jsp?product=100000035&url=%2fst.jsp&tm=y&search=mortgage_text_links_88_h27f8&disc=y&vers=689&s=4056&p=5117 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 9 23:52:04 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D1B263BEF5; Mon, 9 Apr 2007 23:52:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <9582949A-6DDC-4533-919A-48B7F5FAC377@aol.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: john floridis Subject: Re: busking Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2007 17:51:42 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-AOL-IP: 69.145.125.105 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69457 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2007 23:52:04 +0000 (UTC) a HUGE "AMEN" to the comment about B.B. King. I had the honor of interviewing him once for a radio show I do for Montana Public Radio here in Missoula, and you couldn't be more right. One of the most first class people you'd ever meet. And dare I say....though i didn't meet him........seeing Willie Nelson, he gave off the same vibe. He genuinely seemed to care....and didn't look down on his audience. john From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 10 00:02:32 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 714963BEE8; Tue, 10 Apr 2007 00:02:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [4.246.45.251] X-Originating-Email: [sambacomet@hotmail.com] X-Sender: sambacomet@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <20070409225833.E8E3B3BEF4@arsenic.violacea.com> From: "samba -" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: busking Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2007 17:02:28 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Apr 2007 00:02:29.0482 (UTC) FILETIME=[87AE64A0:01C77B03] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69458 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 00:02:32 +0000 (UTC) "Playing the pipe organ doesn't lend itself to busking." You could try accordian. _________________________________________________________________ Exercise your brain! Try Flexicon. http://games.msn.com/en/flexicon/default.htm?icid=flexicon_hmemailtaglineapril07 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 10 00:05:02 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BCCF43BEF5; Tue, 10 Apr 2007 00:05:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: busking Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 09:34:54 +0930 Message-ID: <65865F047B28324D92F716B06CAAFE0F02326905@sagemsg0020.sagemsmrd01.sa.gov.au> In-Reply-To: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: busking Thread-Index: Acd7A40Q2OE5Our+TYGd2OzIyZIcUAAADBaA From: "McDade, Rob (SLSA)" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Apr 2007 00:04:54.0783 (UTC) FILETIME=[DE4990F0:01C77B03] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69459 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 00:05:02 +0000 (UTC) >>"Playing the pipe organ doesn't lend itself >>to busking." > You could try accordian. Well I've seen people wheeling upright piano's around town! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 10 00:06:00 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 211933BEE4; Tue, 10 Apr 2007 00:06:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [4.246.45.251] X-Originating-Email: [sambacomet@hotmail.com] X-Sender: sambacomet@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <20070409225833.E8E3B3BEF4@arsenic.violacea.com> From: "samba -" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: busking Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2007 17:05:53 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Apr 2007 00:05:58.0650 (UTC) FILETIME=[045AE5A0:01C77B04] Resent-Message-ID: <6NCkjC.A.ZgE.nTtGGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69460 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 00:06:00 +0000 (UTC) "Playing the pipe organ doesn't lend itself to busking." You could try accordian. Years ago I had this harmonium that had 2 knee levers for keeping the air flow,so you could use both hands.Made a great street instrument. _________________________________________________________________ Exercise your brain! Try Flexicon. http://games.msn.com/en/flexicon/default.htm?icid=flexicon_hmemailtaglineapril07 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 10 00:27:16 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8F48F3BEF7; Tue, 10 Apr 2007 00:27:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=k/0yQjnFdhO0Y8/0xlGcP6TeBxAPEPU2HOMbffYQDTe6f+iX4hN9m5BiWMJaP3TpQBoLvWU810PiflFJKWKZJleARGYsrlVJ7Ym3j6Tq2dFASeCbk+UPB0segTNaRZ9fNBAocF1L9TxsVyh3jNlaBmUiD7V1p+9i/dubFexpm6M= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=VONCzvV3TP4MQS8DyOsfCeSuKc3uaOnPD6qsKor4dNl4fbxbrP9KwS0BI1s3wWGEWuK2RtFKD0Y5t3gJK0dHIh+g1T4Yyu+uxcNqk0ksae00qeTI7zwEZxGBGtiwZzSknbECgWRkJ/3txlHv7hl1rE63HWHJZ0joqHKDGUVojmc= Message-ID: Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2007 17:27:14 -0700 From: "Matt Davignon" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: LD on Gmail MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69461 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 00:27:16 +0000 (UTC) Reading the digest on my gmail account, I'm not seeing the email headers (including the "from" and "subject" info) on the individual messages. 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    From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 10 00:48:28 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E87E23BEF6; Tue, 10 Apr 2007 00:48:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=gBzFsC+qq83wCwVCb7hkjx42zq4aMznesc9++79X39F6Gu+yv7yzFVscyuxT6WVAY48L/aNvxqYypCWthwAtru/SgQ2uL+HzJsNn0nTY0J7QVT3CkuFCIA5yMXGiATRHSCmzWFxgctlFmQBhxTT5NLr+N1lusjNbfDnJv4kopzk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=dkT65qgaNOth/R7ebPqN+cHa/vD37i9lvroP66En4RiMa5CE5z12KHFD43ZDAvPg9/LXiQhN5qotLWk5Du9/eLapXpLsdE6gOe9Mu6NxdB08vmtVG6uDa4LBmP2Y5yi6vVbJaba+ACa+FnE6/P950BSYJaP6WWaUpKzYbwOl11s= Message-ID: Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2007 17:48:26 -0700 From: "Matt Davignon" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Seattle paint bucket buskers MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: <_mmC8.A.NXG.c7tGGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69462 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 00:48:28 +0000 (UTC) I was just up there last weekend for a convention, and had the pleasure of hearing one. Your plastic can drummers are better than ours. The kid I heard had a set of tuned wine bottles in his rig, and was doing some amazing xylophone/gamelan melodies with his otherwise tech-step stylings. I really enjoyed it. > Who are your favorite buskers? in seattle we have a few 5-gallon > plastic can drummers who seriously rock, i've got half a mind to walk > out on my day job one shiny afternoon with le' funk engine and see if > they'd like to jam. I'll try to get video :) Much love all! > -Miles > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 10 00:52:41 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 59DDE3BEF5; Tue, 10 Apr 2007 00:52:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=ldIerD3n8geukR51YwyDGA4gceEjemvHw5F+MuDEEQgK/GoLblAcdAhKKQv/UTo5RmMMseskQG8dLAUkEbsNoF5ikVdr8oT3ImwO14qMPgvTM62FM+DpvdRwN4HxUOvzDkyijlMZLIph5lNvQBRIFSQrjPG6B7TWHf7VJxkVuzc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=nt8BAOkCCsMitgExPY5/IRHeuq7n/nJsWegzBRKyBD+dhYn1EybRH30Abpp9mv53I5UeeNJtslM0HWRa6Fo6tuvVgIP+6tbtKX8VjSmkHQ70B11nJphL3N1LptfbdPWo572sgKGVDDDbpK41ldiHtHoUZnSB83d7LFh+8IkwNbg= Message-ID: Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2007 17:52:39 -0700 From: "Michael Billow" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: LD on Gmail In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_10660_17005319.1176166359905" References: Resent-Message-ID: <6zrqo.A.4oG.Z_tGGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69463 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 00:52:41 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_10660_17005319.1176166359905 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Yes Matt, I'm noticing the same problem. Perhaps a note to the gmail team might inspire them to correct that. It is a work in progress. On 4/9/07, Matt Davignon wrote: > > Reading the digest on my gmail account, I'm not seeing the email > headers (including the "from" and "subject" info) on the individual > messages. It's rather hard to tell when one message ends and another > begins. Do any Gmail users know how to make these visible? > > Matt > > ------=_Part_10660_17005319.1176166359905 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Yes Matt, I'm noticing the same problem. Perhaps a note to the gmail team
    might inspire them to correct that. It is a work in progress.

    On 4/9/07, Matt Davignon <mattdavignon@gmail.com> wrote:
    Reading the digest on my gmail account, I'm not seeing the email
    headers (including the "from" and "subject" info) on the individual
    messages. It's rather hard to tell when one message ends and another
    begins. Do any Gmail users know how to make these visible?

    Matt


    ------=_Part_10660_17005319.1176166359905-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 10 00:54:04 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 600223BEF5; Tue, 10 Apr 2007 00:54:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: <53A87F6B-4179-497B-905E-DB1614F34DFF@midway.uchicago.edu> References: <0A343619-545E-4D6C-B03C-0B48C7A066CF@aol.com> <53832d9f78c338ff1fdad2c6b0ecc41b@glasswing.com> <961E8665-1F62-4CE5-ADC6-A079B2EBF09B@mac.com> <324540F9-3DE9-4D90-8B93-87C6D657FD20@midway.uchicago.edu> <152B5B86-9AC2-4D05-AADA-4435F99DCD95@mac.com> <53A87F6B-4179-497B-905E-DB1614F34DFF@midway.uchicago.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Teddy Kumpel Subject: Re: OT: Busking--it's hard for everyone Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2007 20:54:02 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAA== X-Brightmail-scanned: yes Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69464 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 00:54:04 +0000 (UTC) thank you! On Apr 9, 2007, at 6:32 PM, Jeff Shirkey wrote: > > This may be the strangest statement I've ever read on this very > strange list. > > Jeff On Apr 9, 2007, at 6:32 PM, Teddy wrote: >> I like puppets better than Joe Pass... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 10 03:37:49 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C25233BEE8; Tue, 10 Apr 2007 03:37:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=oc4SUSNII4wxCKpy3tjg6k0F4+8arP5c93d218cYjpJH+GvRC6FfHJXA9GLsL7rwEJRXsyga8nrKKHClhXyOtHOnciB+aX6Fn+JpsPSeq4XyMWSTlj4vRvvBnYnDojXAfnuYxfJgYwdXxVErmopqBRs9EJxTXStmJjSXzt5Q/rA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=JstwPCZpnHX8AUscJMxLZFwYJ8VPBTALPiWZPmYpAsRbeuGlln/xdYGLfeesz4psOTw6HXwNxg3nPQlgul14He0f2OMf60pQUYAnqW0GPUiCuvpCxurzgzSBQnBKokEcE8JuFU72xpW1RzTcMtgCSpifLaWmcsEXsfLcEMUBS28= Message-ID: <6f5c10f00704092037j64d717bk7bab7b392dcfcb46@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2007 23:37:47 -0400 From: "John K." To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RC-50 tempo sync issues via MIDI clock MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69465 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 03:37:49 +0000 (UTC) Hi Guys, I wanted to see if anyone had any ideas on this RC-50 issue.. I'm a guitarist trying to sync my RC-50 pedal and loops to an electronic drummer I've been jamming with. He's been providing me with his MIDI clock tempo via the MIDI IN on my RC-50. I finally figured out a way to get all three loops to obtain the same global tempo and sync together by turning on the guide, but channeling it to the unused Sub Output, so I don't have to hear it. The issue I'm having, however, is that the tempo being received via the MIDI clock from the drummer is always off by .2 or .4 BPM on the RC-50. .. For example: if he sets his tempo to 140BPM, it will read as 139.8BPM on my looper. This seems to cause the loops I create to slip out of time slowly over time. Any ideas on how to resolve this? Why did Roland even allow tempos beyond whole numbers? Thanks for your help in advance!! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 10 03:50:00 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8F2523BEF1; Tue, 10 Apr 2007 03:50:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <02da01c77b2b$ab89bf50$6401a8c0@SEANDELL> Reply-To: "Sean Mormelo" From: "Sean Mormelo" To: References: <6f5c10f00704092037j64d717bk7bab7b392dcfcb46@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: RC-50 tempo sync issues via MIDI clock Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2007 19:49:48 -0900 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1807 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1807 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69466 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 03:50:00 +0000 (UTC) I thought i heard someone say a while back that the RC50 has to be the master, not the slave, then it will work...Try that and let me know if it works because if the until will not synch up via MIDI i have to get rid of mine because this is exactly why i bought it and what i was going to use it for....to MIDI synch up to Ableton's Live... Sean Mormelo www.seanmormelo.com www.myspace.com/seanmormelo www.CDbaby.com/seanmormelo ----- Original Message ----- From: "John K." To: Sent: Monday, April 09, 2007 6:37 PM Subject: RC-50 tempo sync issues via MIDI clock > Hi Guys, > > I wanted to see if anyone had any ideas on this RC-50 issue.. > > I'm a guitarist trying to sync my RC-50 pedal and loops to an > electronic drummer I've been jamming with. He's been providing me > with his MIDI clock tempo via the MIDI IN on my RC-50. > > I finally figured out a way to get all three loops to obtain the same > global tempo and sync together by turning on the guide, but channeling > it to the unused Sub Output, so I don't have to hear it. > > The issue I'm having, however, is that the tempo being received via > the MIDI clock from the drummer is always off by .2 or .4 BPM on the > RC-50. .. For example: if he sets his tempo to 140BPM, it will read > as 139.8BPM on my looper. This seems to cause the loops I create to > slip out of time slowly over time. Any ideas on how to resolve this? > Why did Roland even allow tempos beyond whole numbers? > > Thanks for your help in advance!! > > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 269.0.0/752 - Release Date: 4/8/2007 8:34 PM > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 10 04:06:04 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E450F3BEE4; Tue, 10 Apr 2007 04:06:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <00d801c77b25$96c7c770$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "RICK WALKER" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: Re: I stumbled on this picture that brought back fond memories Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2007 21:06:17 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.5 required=1.0 tests=AWL,INFO_TLD autolearn=disabled version=3.1.7 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.7 (2006-10-05) on mail.cruzio.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69467 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 04:06:04 +0000 (UTC) doh, sorry............. I forgot the URL. Here it is for that picture I stumbled on. www.looppool.info/nostalgia From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 10 05:27:07 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3AB8D3BEF0; Tue, 10 Apr 2007 05:27:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <00d801c77b25$96c7c770$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> References: <00d801c77b25$96c7c770$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1-307110947 Message-Id: <8d68710629cba8fbf52e9fde56ac0f76@glasswing.com> From: Richard Sales Subject: Re: I stumbled on this picture that brought back fond memories Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2007 22:26:46 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69468 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 05:27:07 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-1-307110947 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed What a gas to have faces to tie to the text on monitor. Thanks Rick richard sales glassWing farm and studio vancouver island, b.c. 800.545.6846 250.752.4816 www.glassWing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com On 9-Apr-07, at 9:06 PM, RICK WALKER wrote: > doh, sorry............. I forgot the URL. Here it is for that > picture I stumbled on. > > > www.looppool.info/nostalgia > --Apple-Mail-1-307110947 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=US-ASCII What a gas to have faces to tie to the text on monitor. Thanks Rick Gadgetrichard sales 7373,7F7F,C5C5glassWing farm and studio vancouver island, b.c. 800.545.6846 250.752.4816C3C3,9696,1C1C www.glassWing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com On 9-Apr-07, at 9:06 PM, RICK WALKER wrote: doh, sorry............. I forgot the URL. Here it is for that picture I stumbled on. www.looppool.info/nostalgia --Apple-Mail-1-307110947-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 10 07:20:16 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 087E63BEE1; Tue, 10 Apr 2007 07:20:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=iGhpkzp78KzOXHshld5i9YmNfR2tc6oLwIKNR1HfAeH6V856e4wBycA3FZKCrMk8MO57fHav/NSbD03LIutb1J5QafyJaA2sK18VhXyGNfdZCRnQFmx2CbPeXJAE4eUexSGq7zoK36v079DP9lN+OmF9EwLVr4hw5aEpoyiV+MU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=K0kh644ZPVZMLqYVuXqQckcstjMoDH8On08kwmJfJ56YK+L5ozL3vYGCl9V3UyGaVfqiYfspAIyS5Q4qVEzXJ3J0pG46zueNFH9P6pyKg4GBv9xXjrRNNUSCmO2fk7YuHZDy6zN9WzVZMoqgRV9NadFWS91WQ7sTC4YOtcrM0zw= Message-ID: Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 08:20:13 +0100 From: Os Sender: expertsleepers@googlemail.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: LD on Gmail In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: X-Google-Sender-Auth: 8487d692a092fbc4 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69469 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 07:20:15 +0000 (UTC) Hi, I suffered from exactly the same problem. What I heartily recommend, having been doing this myself for a few weeks, is to unsub from the digest, sub to the regular mailing list, and then set up a google filter for LD mail. You can (optionally) get it to skip your inbox for the filtered mails, so you don't get notified constantly of new mails coming in, and it puts them in a nice little filter box on the left hand side of your inbox, with an unread count and everything. Added bonus is that's it's now much easier to reply to mails, without deleting irrelevant parts of the digest every time. cheers, os. On 10/04/07, Matt Davignon wrote: > Reading the digest on my gmail account, I'm not seeing the email > headers (including the "from" and "subject" info) on the individual > messages. It's rather hard to tell when one message ends and another > begins. Do any Gmail users know how to make these visible? > > Matt > > -- os@collective.co.uk http://www.collective.co.uk/ http://www.myspace.com/darkroomtheband From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 10 07:41:07 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C08213BEE2; Tue, 10 Apr 2007 07:41:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=U1xn25zzpIsSX2/et9N1vGWT8/TLR7OSCLUuwWJR+2fKYHXHOj2rypcwBfl+yp9YlmRtTuYi9vRNxxJQ42JuJBzmtQRHe/Lcn9V46qPzDkN0t/WCy6C1pM+4g6uzKdkqGjMgzHL1JB91isaALuCqc2ddHjB7pljWN5dX7g8/OY4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=J85OpDxxjCsydgBiBp5Kmn00SxlrhhPXv6dG9nOwNOv6aT3Qa3JCmeMWql3QzrtAnUX2Vm6g4kXDtx4SJNj5XDJAnkB/ih4FalOlneS12hHwHPliNDzgpA6S06pvYFTTAwHwq/KMRPvpJzuElW1o/W/b14fQG4Lya/qwpoo7HRM= Message-ID: <64b81a780704100041j2e1b832ag262e3bd5342f6d91@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 03:41:05 -0400 From: "Todd Pafford" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: LD on Gmail In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_16138_5454152.1176190865685" References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69470 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 07:41:07 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_16138_5454152.1176190865685 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline The other bonus to using GMail to read the regular non-digest version of the list is that the conversations are properly threaded (and easily searched & scanned for relevant messages). After becoming addicted to GMail's conversation view, all other email programs are awkward in comparison. (By the way, I don't know if people need invites to GMail anymore, but if so I'd be happy to send them to LD list members who want them. Just drop me an email.) Todd On 4/10/07, Os wrote: > > Hi, > > I suffered from exactly the same problem. What I heartily recommend, > having been doing this myself for a few weeks, is to unsub from the > digest, sub to the regular mailing list, and then set up a google > filter for LD mail. You can (optionally) get it to skip your inbox for > the filtered mails, so you don't get notified constantly of new mails > coming in, and it puts them in a nice little filter box on the left > hand side of your inbox, with an unread count and everything. Added > bonus is that's it's now much easier to reply to mails, without > deleting irrelevant parts of the digest every time. > > > cheers, > os. > > > On 10/04/07, Matt Davignon wrote: > > Reading the digest on my gmail account, I'm not seeing the email > > headers (including the "from" and "subject" info) on the individual > > messages. It's rather hard to tell when one message ends and another > > begins. Do any Gmail users know how to make these visible? > > > > Matt > > > > > > > -- > os@collective.co.uk > http://www.collective.co.uk/ > http://www.myspace.com/darkroomtheband > > ------=_Part_16138_5454152.1176190865685 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline The other bonus to using GMail to read the regular non-digest version of the list is that the conversations are properly threaded (and easily searched & scanned for relevant messages).  After becoming addicted to GMail's conversation view, all other email programs are awkward in comparison.

    (By the way, I don't know if people need invites to GMail anymore, but if so I'd be happy to send them to LD list members who want them.  Just drop me an email.)

    Todd


    On 4/10/07, Os <os@collective.co.uk> wrote:
    Hi,

    I suffered from exactly the same problem. What I heartily recommend,
    having been doing this myself for a few weeks, is to unsub from the
    digest, sub to the regular mailing list, and then set up a google
    filter for LD mail. You can (optionally) get it to skip your inbox for
    the filtered mails, so you don't get notified constantly of new mails
    coming in, and it puts them in a nice little filter box on the left
    hand side of your inbox, with an unread count and everything. Added
    bonus is that's it's now much easier to reply to mails, without
    deleting irrelevant parts of the digest every time.


    cheers,
    os.


    On 10/04/07, Matt Davignon <mattdavignon@gmail.com> wrote:
    > Reading the digest on my gmail account, I'm not seeing the email
    > headers (including the "from" and "subject" info) on the individual
    > messages. It's rather hard to tell when one message ends and another
    > begins. Do any Gmail users know how to make these visible?
    >
    > Matt
    >
    >


    --
    os@collective.co.uk
    http://www.collective.co.uk/
    http://www.myspace.com/darkroomtheband


    ------=_Part_16138_5454152.1176190865685-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 10 08:48:59 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5DEE33BEF0; Tue, 10 Apr 2007 08:48:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=QUstUThS43x6iCxr5R/Ttem5arCwwH2v2cl44MmLPSiugEneRRqOI8GGqz7r+BwknfEDwW5FG3oi5kJ53jrzK7rnSBWShpJ+SwAo6GJ0NEpLbmtOE112oIbDIVRakpbzAeHdzd9kb9+WJLCj3GC5KBdH+7UJsmwgdWjiC1P5H/Y= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=jtNjvvr2JD1U0gTyZGRzFfhiF4+ZpHKYGS7j0+zFE5+2yzMFNk4r0ObqOU31gSoj5nfy32gr27+ZH9Qyemj8iSxhdzOFgepvqaP7SN3XvhZcRTI5FArkE9ERIQcDOnNZiU0PDJPArXMTaChntBW7nDI/c4lRSzS1hWj8w7bUFa8= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <234CA403-D645-452D-869A-3DF30456AA33@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: LD on Gmail Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 10:42:26 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69471 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 08:48:59 +0000 (UTC) I too use Gmail. My trick is to set up a local computer email client to fetch the messages from the Gmail account. This way I can read them on the local machine an take advantage of the superior filtering options normally offered by a local email client. Now and then I fire up a web browser and log in at the Gmail account to delete the read/ downloaded messages at the server. I'm finding this a fast and efficient correspondence set-up with a built-in online second back-up. I have also set up the Gmail account to filter different lists into their dedicated catalogues. That's convenient when I have to read mails online, but for me that is not as fast as downloading THROUGH the Gmail account and do the sorting and reading locally. Per On Apr 10, 2007, at 2:52, Michael Billow wrote: > Yes Matt, I'm noticing the same problem. Perhaps a note to the > gmail team > might inspire them to correct that. It is a work in progress. > > On 4/9/07, Matt Davignon wrote: Reading > the digest on my gmail account, I'm not seeing the email > headers (including the "from" and "subject" info) on the individual > messages. It's rather hard to tell when one message ends and another > begins. Do any Gmail users know how to make these visible? > > Matt From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 10 12:59:19 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4A6863BF0E; Tue, 10 Apr 2007 12:59:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=s0xNl04oMXHWuaWWCY8W49FquNt7dpGn8X0HTvVUSaHZbwPKu+W7yex/SOF9Vk2yUmI/vhYvbBThyor1y/jpVOnrqs89peOm9wFMzA78LF2nj/FCrY9U4saMAIED0fLebFKz91+PpL/FXg1STd5txmvPV2gx+Hw3If+Z5uk450o= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=UxgFh6tGemS4SDPjZjJSwMqRIMHts65hJwQVwvlLiVzGZtZODsbPTLRlz0UAYL948YVX5uE+I7lnkparZjKrTbuWvWleDPdUqxct2zT1/S0sVubcATN+IrBJBVacj7XoxWQNTfSfYHtD4r5JvTr7gYhFzHb+E3/3wPiTegJMgz4= Message-ID: <6f5c10f00704100559i5c6bed3el2d90a7f9b58139ed@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 08:59:15 -0400 From: "John K." To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: RC-50 tempo sync issues via MIDI clock Cc: sean@seanmormelo.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69472 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 12:59:19 +0000 (UTC) Sean, But we don't want the RC50 to be the master! :) We want the drummer to be able to send the start/stop messages and control the tempo. So, I really don't care if it works the other way. And yes, this issue exists with Ableton Live acting as the Master. But the question continues to puzzle me: Why would Roland even have the tempo include a tenth degree slot for the tempo's BPM (for example, 139.8BPM instead of just rounding up to 140BPM)? Am I mistaken when thinking most MIDI clock masters/slave read tempo in whole numbers? Thanks, John > I thought i heard someone say a while back that the RC50 has to be the > master, not the slave, then it will work...Try that and let me know if it > works because if the until will not synch up via MIDI i have to get rid of > mine because this is exactly why i bought it and what i was going to use it > for....to MIDI synch up to Ableton's Live... > > Sean Mormelo > www.seanmormelo.com > www.myspace.com/seanmormelo > www.CDbaby.com/seanmormelo From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 10 13:20:22 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9268F3BF04; Tue, 10 Apr 2007 13:20:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: <6f5c10f00704100559i5c6bed3el2d90a7f9b58139ed@mail.gmail.com> References: <6f5c10f00704100559i5c6bed3el2d90a7f9b58139ed@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <42C48FFF-CFD9-45CB-87D9-B45C98FA2DDA@mac.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Teddy Subject: Re: RC-50 tempo sync issues via MIDI clock Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 09:20:21 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAA== X-Brightmail-scanned: yes Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69473 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 13:20:22 +0000 (UTC) bug Roland about it... squeaky wheel gets the grease. I call them a lot about this and they always say the same thing... that they don't see the japan office doing anything about it. Maybe cause I'm the only one calling? Roland US Guitar/Percussion Products: 323-890-3743 sucks really. Teddy On Apr 10, 2007, at 8:59 AM, John K. wrote: > Sean, > > But we don't want the RC50 to be the master! :) We want the drummer > to be able to send the start/stop messages and control the tempo. So, > I really don't care if it works the other way. And yes, this issue > exists with Ableton Live acting as the Master. > > But the question continues to puzzle me: Why would Roland even have > the tempo include a tenth degree slot for the tempo's BPM (for > example, 139.8BPM instead of just rounding up to 140BPM)? Am I > mistaken when thinking most MIDI clock masters/slave read tempo in > whole numbers? > > Thanks, John From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 10 13:48:09 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A73CC3BF05; Tue, 10 Apr 2007 13:48:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Originating-IP: [216.113.128.239] X-Identified-User: {864:box76.bluehost.com:kevinkis:kevinkissinger.com} {sentby:webmail from 216.113.128.239} Message-ID: <20070410084807.xipjsbm48w4cgsw8@69.89.21.76> Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 08:48:07 -0500 From: kkissinger@kevinkissinger.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: I stumbled on this picture that brought back fond memories References: <00d801c77b25$96c7c770$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> In-Reply-To: <00d801c77b25$96c7c770$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.3) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69474 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 13:48:09 +0000 (UTC) Thanks, Rick. 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    From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 10 19:20:44 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 79A133BEF6; Tue, 10 Apr 2007 19:20:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=lFINocGq4vNhDeokObgjDPaeMvSF/dbUr/7jLmyMte1uS/jDVptIVEyHEc5QEyhFiTBeuLwTqe+0CipsefwEy5EpaRYEhnx3g9qb7AYOQN8IrJg/zpWYHNkvyX8JtOjIbWKR6xVNVt8zoc17rQ7e38TIz+lXvzm/xM2BSttM32A= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=a/UnRlBT8SZG8IWdzdE7NxOft2uisW/lPBz1/rUBx6rFEGuQfjQQBm9oTM4ByIAGjyCyDkxdkIpAozh5HfEfQGQOyJmtmnLv3yr+3uY2Fe4XoP04UWhXsvlgccfjBFBxLzuw74uJRR8wu1c55xJEVw820B3Mo/7J5dWriBPdjpE= Message-ID: <4cf76a0b0704101220t20e4918di62461de5edfe1287@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 12:20:42 -0700 From: "miles ward" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Seattle paint bucket buskers In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69475 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 19:20:44 +0000 (UTC) Solid! Yeah, a couple of those cats can rock.. quite groovy. On 4/9/07, Matt Davignon wrote: > I was just up there last weekend for a convention, and had the > pleasure of hearing one. Your plastic can drummers are better than > ours. The kid I heard had a set of tuned wine bottles in his rig, and > was doing some amazing xylophone/gamelan melodies with his otherwise > tech-step stylings. I really enjoyed it. > > > Who are your favorite buskers? in seattle we have a few 5-gallon > > plastic can drummers who seriously rock, i've got half a mind to walk > > out on my day job one shiny afternoon with le' funk engine and see if > > they'd like to jam. I'll try to get video :) Much love all! > > -Miles > > > > -- ---Miles Ward From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 10 19:31:52 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1A4AA3BEF1; Tue, 10 Apr 2007 19:31:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=cPpzn86dkbKIbTs3wP96gZBWof5/hsZoCQ6qGOhCKGaheuWLOWQlh6Dvlv8EigSnuxihe3nIi9hPDWVBIXlWRKDu276jKxriDTX+JmqMlv/pJH+luOe5cwpLd8ugn2oTyW8mfkDCCRqcygAIhPlB28tw+0uw4fMOYvhoD5wy3tQ=; X-YMail-OSG: tDcDPWgVM1lUx9chyrELnZPu._M5z.A1Sqq1ExmwUjkQcT68peebx121CninLBuT9X.G8ajvMSXO6T16QveJAxjE2jlY0QX0ZiBhqspr2hwrSttt1BsBIKTu5QgzAA-- Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 12:31:49 -0700 (PDT) From: Paul Richards Subject: Re: Seattle paint bucket buskers To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <4cf76a0b0704101220t20e4918di62461de5edfe1287@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-148805218-1176233509=:62871" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <97145.62871.qm@web35108.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69476 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 19:31:51 +0000 (UTC) --0-148805218-1176233509=:62871 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit We have those plastic can whackers in the Downtown Mall area of Charlottesville, VA and they're irritating as shit! :) miles ward wrote: Solid! Yeah, a couple of those cats can rock.. quite groovy. On 4/9/07, Matt Davignon wrote: > I was just up there last weekend for a convention, and had the > pleasure of hearing one. Your plastic can drummers are better than > ours. The kid I heard had a set of tuned wine bottles in his rig, and > was doing some amazing xylophone/gamelan melodies with his otherwise > tech-step stylings. I really enjoyed it. > > > Who are your favorite buskers? in seattle we have a few 5-gallon > > plastic can drummers who seriously rock, i've got half a mind to walk > > out on my day job one shiny afternoon with le' funk engine and see if > > they'd like to jam. I'll try to get video :) Much love all! > > -Miles > > > > -- ---Miles Ward --------------------------------- TV dinner still cooling? Check out "Tonight's Picks" on Yahoo! TV. --0-148805218-1176233509=:62871 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit We have those plastic can whackers in the Downtown Mall area of Charlottesville, VA and they're irritating as shit! :)

    miles ward <miles932@gmail.com> wrote:
    Solid! Yeah, a couple of those cats can rock.. quite groovy.

    On 4/9/07, Matt Davignon wrote:
    > I was just up there last weekend for a convention, and had the
    > pleasure of hearing one. Your plastic can drummers are better than
    > ours. The kid I heard had a set of tuned wine bottles in his rig, and
    > was doing some amazing xylophone/gamelan melodies with his otherwise
    > tech-step stylings. I really enjoyed it.
    >
    > > Who are your favorite buskers? in seattle we have a few 5-gallon
    > > plastic can drummers who seriously rock, i've got half a mind to walk
    > > out on my day job one shiny afternoon with le' funk engine and see if
    > > they'd like to jam. I'll try to get video :) Much love all!
    > > -Miles
    > >
    >
    >


    --
    ---Miles Ward


    TV dinner still cooling?
    Check out "Tonight's Picks" on Yahoo! TV. --0-148805218-1176233509=:62871-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 10 19:37:16 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 979353BEFC; Tue, 10 Apr 2007 19:37:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=NLTrltNwyzaRUCKZLWLpKHBEhwzbJcwEJdWhpuKKU0y5nG3pzNRQuo6nlBMbJFR+C/4h14Rry0GkS9EnGobr7pU2kxxyKL5EXXMBw7Hsks0AuB5lt//iTyo3tIz86LK+D311byGJeuRjinhsbCp7m4yGObayopNAYyLUxpolA28=; X-YMail-OSG: M4uye4IVM1lTt4tLgQ7mcz0ukGD1QArORAgY0DqCu1Ji0eeS_H.1.r8xJqWy8o9BWXPpk0gLqvNMrrFbWxShGK1vY0cOuFJJ_Bufff9qwCUT81QSc45PjRsDCDJt2w-- Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 12:37:13 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: EDP woes, part two To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <209268.67290.qm@web38702.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <623350.9503.qm@web81303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69477 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 19:37:16 +0000 (UTC) --- taittinger91 wrote: > Just wanted to share the fact that I replaced my > defective EDP (since I don't have time to get it > repaired before my gigs, nor do I have the > technological capabilites to open it up and reseat > the PROMs, thanks Francisco) with a new one that > also appears to be defective (sound is degraded and > crackly). Wow, that seems really unlucky. Oddly enough, I once bought a defective EDP and returned it. It was a time when they weren't shipping and I was told it would be months before I'd possibily get a replacement so I abandoned it. However, I've seen dozens of EDP users that seem to have no problems so I guess you were just unlucky. I'd say don't give up on it if it's got the features you want, as there's not much out there now in it's price range that touches it. If you don't care about feedback control or a lot of the other things the EDP does so well, I guess there's the Boss RC line. I've never had a Boss piece of gear fail on me. That said, I abandoned hardware looping and I've been 100% software looping for a long time now and I love it. It can crash, but I find it only does when I'm doing something silly like trying to load a new VST while a loop is going. Sounds like you're not a guy who likes to fiddle with gear so perhaps this isn't the best idea as it takes time to set up and get going. Good luck, Mark ____________________________________________________________________________________ Don't pick lemons. See all the new 2007 cars at Yahoo! Autos. http://autos.yahoo.com/new_cars.html From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 10 19:48:04 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CC7873BEE8; Tue, 10 Apr 2007 19:48:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 15:46:19 -0400 From: Douglas Baldwin Subject: Re: I stumbled on this picture that brought back fond memories To: RICK WALKER , "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Message-id: <007801c77ba8$ec4649a0$9715be18@oemcomputer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <00d801c77b25$96c7c770$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Resent-Message-ID: <-LRbSB.A.hj.0n-GGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69478 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 19:48:04 +0000 (UTC) A wonderful photo, Rick. My disappointment that I'm not in that picture myself is utterly eradicated by the many hilarious posts your "polar bear eating marshmallows in a snowstorm" post elicited. I too am happy to have faces to associate with names on the posts. And if anyone needs a mug shot of yrs. truly, just go to my web site; it's on page one. (I actually got an e-mail from someone recently who said that my picture wasn't "good marketing" for getting new guitar students. Specifically: "When I look at that shot from a marketing perspective, I don't feel like I want to study guitar with you. Just an observation." ...which gave me the opportunity to reply with classic wise-ass wisdom: " 'Music is the performance of sound. Theatre is the performance of appearance. Try not to confuse the two.' To this I might now add, marketing is the manufacturing of appearance for material gain. I am not the instructor you are looking for." Onward through the fog! dB ----- Original Message ----- From: "RICK WALKER" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2007 12:06 AM Subject: Re: I stumbled on this picture that brought back fond memories > doh, sorry............. I forgot the URL. > Here it is for that picture I stumbled on. > > > www.looppool.info/nostalgia > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 10 20:40:13 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4D3B53BEF1; Tue, 10 Apr 2007 20:40:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <97145.62871.qm@web35108.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <97145.62871.qm@web35108.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-2-361909403 Message-Id: <03a0fd203f38be7be0dda7575fcbabb1@glasswing.com> From: Richard Sales Subject: Re: Seattle paint bucket buskers Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 13:40:04 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69479 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 20:40:13 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-2-361909403 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed You're in Charlottesville? So do you know Bobby Read? richard sales glassWing farm and studio vancouver island, b.c. 800.545.6846 250.752.4816 www.glassWing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com On 10-Apr-07, at 12:31 PM, Paul Richards wrote: > We have those plastic can whackers in the Downtown Mall area of > Charlottesville, VA and they're irritating as shit! :) > > miles ward wrote:Solid! Yeah, a couple of those > cats can rock.. quite groovy. >> >> On 4/9/07, Matt Davignon wrote: >> > I was just up there last weekend for a convention, and had the >> > pleasure of hearing one. Your plastic can drummers are better than >> > ours. The kid I heard had a set of tuned wine bottles in his rig, >> and >> > was doing some amazing xylophone/gamelan melodies with his otherwise >> > tech-step stylings. I really enjoyed it. >> > >> > > Who are your favorite buskers? in seattle we have a few 5-gallon >> > > plastic can drummers who seriously rock, i've got half a mind to >> walk >> > > out on my day job one shiny afternoon with le' funk engine and >> see if >> > > they'd like to jam. I'll try to get video :) Much love all! >> > > -Miles >> > > >> > >> > >> >> >> -- >> ---Miles Ward >> > > TV dinner still cooling? > Check out "Tonight's Picks" on Yahoo! TV. --Apple-Mail-2-361909403 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=US-ASCII You're in Charlottesville? So do you know Bobby Read? Gadgetrichard sales 7373,7F7F,C5C5glassWing farm and studio vancouver island, b.c. 800.545.6846 250.752.4816C3C3,9696,1C1C www.glassWing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com On 10-Apr-07, at 12:31 PM, Paul Richards wrote: We have those plastic can whackers in the Downtown Mall area of Charlottesville, VA and they're irritating as shit! :) miles ward < wrote:Solid! Yeah, a couple of those cats can rock.. quite groovy. On 4/9/07, Matt Davignon wrote: > I was just up there last weekend for a convention, and had the > pleasure of hearing one. Your plastic can drummers are better than > ours. The kid I heard had a set of tuned wine bottles in his rig, and > was doing some amazing xylophone/gamelan melodies with his otherwise > tech-step stylings. I really enjoyed it. > > > Who are your favorite buskers? in seattle we have a few 5-gallon > > plastic can drummers who seriously rock, i've got half a mind to walk > > out on my day job one shiny afternoon with le' funk engine and see if > > they'd like to jam. I'll try to get video :) Much love all! > > -Miles > > > > -- ---Miles Ward TV dinner still cooling? 0000,0000,EEEECheck out "Tonight's Picks" on Yahoo! TV. --Apple-Mail-2-361909403-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 10 20:54:36 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C45743BEEA; Tue, 10 Apr 2007 20:54:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-3-362768027 Message-Id: <3ac6606cf05f7fd908f786a3f523dbce@glasswing.com> From: Richard Sales Subject: Re: busking Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 13:54:23 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69480 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 20:54:36 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-3-362768027 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Moondog! The Human Jukebox! Baby Gramps! The unholy trinity! I saw Moondog in NYC too... circa 1970. Have you ever heard his record? It's wonderful. "Machines were mice and men were lions once upon a time..." He was a real wonderful wacko sage of the highest order. One of my band mates bought a poem from him for a buck. One of the few things I regret in my life is that I didn't. But he's a busker who did alright. He made it into a Beatles song! I busked at Fisherman's Wharf when The Human Jukebox was at his peak - I think it was early 70's. I loved it and at the time it was money which was so elusive back then. Baby Gramps? I think he's possibly one of the best entertainers I've ever met. And he has some amazing songs like Skillet of Snakes. I did a film score with Gramps. I think it was around 2000 or so. Bob Dylan is a fan of Gramps! For me busking carries me back to a different time when folks weren't in such a hurry. I don't find them annoying like some panhandlers are. So usually when I see someone busking I donate. It's a heart thing. There but for fortune and all that! Back to Kenny, I learned about the herd instinct from Howard Bloom's "The Global Mind". An amazing book. He was a music maven who quit to study the evolution of memes... and the mind. The thing about the herd instinct is scientifically presented in the book and hard to knock. Maybe I misapplied the concept with the folks in the Metro station, but I bet there's something to it. More thoughts... but maybe for a rainy day. richard sales glassWing farm and studio vancouver island, b.c. 800.545.6846 250.752.4816 www.glassWing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com On 9-Apr-07, at 4:46 PM, samba - wrote: > > My favorite buskers are Artis the spoonthang ,Baby Gramps,the Human > Jukebox guy in SF in the 70s. I actually saw the legendary street > performer Moondog in NY in the very early 70s,Thelonious Monk,members > of Pentangle and the Band were among his fans. There was an 80s band > called Violent Femmes who were busking outside a Pretenders show.The > kids standing in line were mostly ignoring them ,but someone in the > pretenders heard and dug them,and when the show started VF were > onstage opening ,and got hooked up to get signed. > True there's no reason to expect busy commuters to have time to stop > and play audience.There are many possible responses to this truth. One > is to make them stop and listen,and watch ,and ,make them give you > money by being totally irresistable ( this usually requires a fair > amount of schtick, just like rock music). Another is to not try to > stop them but to play music that energizes them or improves their > mood. It's possible to play music that doesn't require intellectual > attention to be enjoyable. Speak to the body,and it doesn't matter if > they are paying conscious attention. If you do this in the same spot > regulary ,you'll make money. Another is just do what you do and ignore > them, it will moslty be mutual,wait for someone on your wavelenght.You > can always play for people waiting in lines. > I've met many players who want audiences to pay attention to them,but > don't pay attention to the audience. I garuntee you BB king has never > ignoreed an audience in his life.He started out busking. > > _________________________________________________________________ > Mortgage rates near historic lows. Refinance $200,000 loan for as low > as $771/month* > https://www2.nextag.com/goto.jsp? > product=100000035&url=%2fst.jsp&tm=y&search=mortgage_text_links_88_h27f > 8&disc=y&vers=689&s=4056&p=5117 > --Apple-Mail-3-362768027 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=US-ASCII Moondog! The Human Jukebox! Baby Gramps! The unholy trinity! I saw Moondog in NYC too... circa 1970. Have you ever heard his record? It's wonderful. "Machines were mice and men were lions once upon a time..." He was a real wonderful wacko sage of the highest order. One of my band mates bought a poem from him for a buck. One of the few things I regret in my life is that I didn't. But he's a busker who did alright. He made it into a Beatles song! I busked at Fisherman's Wharf when The Human Jukebox was at his peak - I think it was early 70's. I loved it and at the time it was money which was so elusive back then. Baby Gramps? I think he's possibly one of the best entertainers I've ever met. And he has some amazing songs like Skillet of Snakes. I did a film score with Gramps. I think it was around 2000 or so. Bob Dylan is a fan of Gramps! For me busking carries me back to a different time when folks weren't in such a hurry. I don't find them annoying like some panhandlers are. So usually when I see someone busking I donate. It's a heart thing. There but for fortune and all that! Back to Kenny, I learned about the herd instinct from Howard Bloom's "The Global Mind". An amazing book. He was a music maven who quit to study the evolution of memes... and the mind. The thing about the herd instinct is scientifically presented in the book and hard to knock. Maybe I misapplied the concept with the folks in the Metro station, but I bet there's something to it. More thoughts... but maybe for a rainy day. Gadgetrichard sales 7373,7F7F,C5C5glassWing farm and studio vancouver island, b.c. 800.545.6846 250.752.4816C3C3,9696,1C1C www.glassWing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com On 9-Apr-07, at 4:46 PM, samba - wrote: My favorite buskers are Artis the spoonthang ,Baby Gramps,the Human Jukebox guy in SF in the 70s. I actually saw the legendary street performer Moondog in NY in the very early 70s,Thelonious Monk,members of Pentangle and the Band were among his fans. There was an 80s band called Violent Femmes who were busking outside a Pretenders show.The kids standing in line were mostly ignoring them ,but someone in the pretenders heard and dug them,and when the show started VF were onstage opening ,and got hooked up to get signed. True there's no reason to expect busy commuters to have time to stop and play audience.There are many possible responses to this truth. One is to make them stop and listen,and watch ,and ,make them give you money by being totally irresistable ( this usually requires a fair amount of schtick, just like rock music). Another is to not try to stop them but to play music that energizes them or improves their mood. It's possible to play music that doesn't require intellectual attention to be enjoyable. Speak to the body,and it doesn't matter if they are paying conscious attention. If you do this in the same spot regulary ,you'll make money. Another is just do what you do and ignore them, it will moslty be mutual,wait for someone on your wavelenght.You can always play for people waiting in lines. I've met many players who want audiences to pay attention to them,but don't pay attention to the audience. I garuntee you BB king has never ignoreed an audience in his life.He started out busking. _________________________________________________________________ Mortgage rates near historic lows. Refinance $200,000 loan for as low as $771/month* https://www2.nextag.com/goto.jsp?product=100000035&url=%2fst.jsp&tm=y&search=mortgage_text_links_88_h27f8&disc=y&vers=689&s=4056&p=5117 --Apple-Mail-3-362768027-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 10 21:00:40 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C1A6E3BEFE; Tue, 10 Apr 2007 21:00:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <4cf76a0b0704101220t20e4918di62461de5edfe1287@mail.gmail.com> References: <4cf76a0b0704101220t20e4918di62461de5edfe1287@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-4-363134725 Message-Id: From: Richard Sales Subject: Re: Seattle paint bucket buskers Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 14:00:30 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69481 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 21:00:40 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-4-363134725 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed One of my fave buskers is Miles and my son Luke. It's like Parliament Funkadelic meets Miles Davis at a Louisiana carnival. Artis is good but sometimes he's QUITE inappropriate when you've got little kids with you. Baby Gramps is the master busker. First ran into him on a trail at the Oregon Country Fair. I made the mistake of stopping for a second, caught by the sight of his brace of Nationals... and my family had to go on without me. Mesmerizing. Hilarious. Real music. Very rare. richard sales glassWing farm and studio vancouver island, b.c. 800.545.6846 250.752.4816 www.glassWing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com On 10-Apr-07, at 12:20 PM, miles ward wrote: > Solid! Yeah, a couple of those cats can rock.. quite groovy. > > On 4/9/07, Matt Davignon wrote: >> I was just up there last weekend for a convention, and had the >> pleasure of hearing one. Your plastic can drummers are better than >> ours. The kid I heard had a set of tuned wine bottles in his rig, and >> was doing some amazing xylophone/gamelan melodies with his otherwise >> tech-step stylings. I really enjoyed it. >> >> > Who are your favorite buskers? in seattle we have a few 5-gallon >> > plastic can drummers who seriously rock, i've got half a mind to >> walk >> > out on my day job one shiny afternoon with le' funk engine and see >> if >> > they'd like to jam. I'll try to get video :) Much love all! >> > -Miles >> > >> >> > > > -- > ---Miles Ward > --Apple-Mail-4-363134725 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=US-ASCII One of my fave buskers is Miles and my son Luke. It's like Parliament Funkadelic meets Miles Davis at a Louisiana carnival. Artis is good but sometimes he's QUITE inappropriate when you've got little kids with you. Baby Gramps is the master busker. First ran into him on a trail at the Oregon Country Fair. I made the mistake of stopping for a second, caught by the sight of his brace of Nationals... and my family had to go on without me. Mesmerizing. Hilarious. Real music. Very rare. Gadgetrichard sales 7373,7F7F,C5C5glassWing farm and studio vancouver island, b.c. 800.545.6846 250.752.4816C3C3,9696,1C1C www.glassWing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com On 10-Apr-07, at 12:20 PM, miles ward wrote: Solid! Yeah, a couple of those cats can rock.. quite groovy. On 4/9/07, Matt Davignon < wrote: I was just up there last weekend for a convention, and had the pleasure of hearing one. Your plastic can drummers are better than ours. The kid I heard had a set of tuned wine bottles in his rig, and was doing some amazing xylophone/gamelan melodies with his otherwise tech-step stylings. I really enjoyed it. > Who are your favorite buskers? in seattle we have a few 5-gallon > plastic can drummers who seriously rock, i've got half a mind to walk > out on my day job one shiny afternoon with le' funk engine and see if > they'd like to jam. I'll try to get video :) Much love all! > -Miles > -- ---Miles Ward --Apple-Mail-4-363134725-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 10 21:29:59 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 94D703BEF1; Tue, 10 Apr 2007 21:29:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Michael Peters" To: References: <20070409171855.D86F43BF69@arsenic.violacea.com> Subject: OT "He is" or "I am" Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 23:29:20 +0200 Message-ID: <007301c77bb7$4dc9c950$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <20070409171855.D86F43BF69@arsenic.violacea.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Thread-Index: Acd6y+mhS+tiMYbMREOtrNqbK/+gFgA6P5eA Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69482 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 21:29:59 +0000 (UTC) how do we present ourselves on the web? I have a question of style: I'm currently busy setting up my new website, finally ... (no, it is not = online yet). I'm going for a conventional site with a menu on the left and content on = the right, nothing fancy, nothing too confusing, nothing too artsy ... the design can change later if I feel like it, first thing I want to have is = a website for all my various projects. The start page says something about me, something like, "Michael plays guitar and loves livelooping ... he also uses the computer to create = strange sounds ... blah blah". Stuff like that.=20 Now my wife comes in and looks over my shoulder and wonders why I don't write "I play guitar and love livelooping ... I also use the computer" = etc. etc. - I'm writing this about myself, so why don't I say "I" ? I don't know how to put it. If I say "he is" it sounds like somebody = else has written it about me, while everybody knows that I wrote it myself. Somehow silly but then it does sound more neutral and objective. If I = wrote "I am" the page would be full of "I've done this, I've done that" and somehow that wouldn't feel right either. I've checked some other websites for this and apparently it is quite = normal to say something like "Per Boysen is one of Sweden=92s leading = live-looping musicians" or "A leading figure in the emerging international live = looping movement, Rick is a sound designer, electronic music composer ..." or "Avant-cellist Zo=EB Keating is a one-woman string quartet " ... even = though we all know (and all site visitors know) that each of us wrote this him/herself. Opinions? -Michael www.michaelpeters.de From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 10 21:45:19 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 210B03BEEA; Tue, 10 Apr 2007 21:45:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: <007301c77bb7$4dc9c950$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> References: <20070409171855.D86F43BF69@arsenic.violacea.com> <007301c77bb7$4dc9c950$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-2-365817744 Message-Id: <64FCDEC2-3F2D-421A-BB60-B22767CEAE8F@zoekeating.com> From: Zoe Keating Subject: Re: OT "He is" or "I am" Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 14:45:13 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-Server-Quench: c300203f-e7ac-11db-a443-001185d377ca X-AuthRoute: OCdyZQ4WAlZeQQAe DQsWCyJDRAw5JxtD RxQEKB1+J10RWB5K d2pXKltcMEE0QVZe QzNJGEkABQEoDjsx dVkOMEtcYlU/H0d1 UkhJRUJQFg9sBBYA BFAYVQdzfw1Yen1x e0dlX29ZWUZ/akYz Hk0laTd0OhxgaGAa V0AWcwVVdE0ZfR9F aFB8Am5YZjRUe3th EwV2NmxtZnAHcH0M ElwBdg1NSk8dJDNu Dzc+VX8PEAUEXG97 KAZuYH9UFUNbWicA X-Authentic-SMTP: 61633135363331.squirrel.dmpriest.net.uk:556/Kp X-Report-SPAM: If SPAM / abuse - report it at: http://www.authsmtp.com/abuse X-Virus-Status: No virus detected - but ensure you scan with your own anti-virus system! Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69483 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 21:45:19 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-2-365817744 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; delsp=yes; format=flowed probably personal preference. i make a distinction for parts of my =20 site that are straight biography and make those 3rd person. the =20 reason being that bits of my bio (which actually wasn't written by =20 me...but by) get copied by the press, and i've never seen an artist =20 bio in the first person. the rest of my site i do in the first person...news, shows, etc...so =20 its a mix. when an artist site is entirely 3rd person (for example if someone =20 starts doing it for you) i think it is nice when there is an "artist" =20= statement in your voice. tricky! On Apr 10, 2007, at 2:29 PM, Michael Peters wrote: > I've checked some other websites for this and apparently it is =20 > quite normal > to say something like "Per Boysen is one of Sweden=92s leading live-=20= > looping > musicians" or "A leading figure in the emerging international live =20 > looping > movement, Rick is a sound designer, electronic music composer ..." or > "Avant-cellist Zo=EB Keating is a one-woman string quartet " ... even =20= > though > we all know (and all site visitors know) that each of us wrote this > him/herself. > > Opinions? --Apple-Mail-2-365817744 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=WINDOWS-1252 probably personal preference. i = make a distinction for parts of my site that are straight biography and = make those 3rd person. the reason being that bits of my bio (which = actually wasn't written by me...but by) get copied by the press, and = i've never seen an artist bio in the first person.

    the rest of my site i do in the = first person...news, shows, etc...so its a mix.

    when an artist site is = entirely 3rd person (for example if someone starts doing it for you) i = think it is nice when there is an "artist" statement in your = voice.

    tricky!

    On Apr 10, 2007, at 2:29 PM, Michael Peters wrote:

    I've checked some other = websites for this and apparently it is quite normal

    to say something like "Per = Boysen is one of Sweden=92s leading live-looping

    musicians" or "A leading = figure in the emerging international live looping

    movement, Rick is a sound = designer, electronic music composer ..." or

    "Avant-cellist Zo=EB Keating is a = one-woman string quartet " ... even though

    we all know (and all site visitors = know) that each of us wrote this

    him/herself.


    =

    Opinions?

    =

    = --Apple-Mail-2-365817744-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 11 02:00:51 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 430503BEFF; Wed, 11 Apr 2007 02:00:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-YMail-OSG: Hb7_2NAVM1k9oMxyBBuBpX717jp4SIG.SNTR4hh1PW5VgXrONz8cieTqNf5s0rDbMIj_HdMG1IYcFdyhDxcCOiiNfipB3k7SME6iy9Sy2bLwnxXYofU- Message-ID: <005901c77bdd$2c961290$4101a8c0@MICHAELPLISHKA> From: "Michael Plishka" To: References: <20070409171855.D86F43BF69@arsenic.violacea.com> <007301c77bb7$4dc9c950$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> Subject: Re: OT "He is" or "I am" Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 21:00:25 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69484 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 02:00:51 +0000 (UTC) Both ways... Often times when promoters/booking agents view a profile and see it written in third person it looks like your "Staff" is bigger than it is..in other words, you've got enough going on and you're important enough to pay people to do stuff for you. People DON'T know you've done it yourself. I've done both (and also had people write stuff for/about me as well). People do think there is someone behind the scenes if it's written well. There was a series of releases I did once where everything was in third person and I'd throw a quote in at the end. People loved the quote from me and would ask me to talk more about stuff in my releases. So I did. They never knew it was all me anyway in that case. If you want to come across a more professional, that you're an indie artist that's got his own label...use third person. You can always ask someone else to write it and then you won't feel weird.;-) ~peace~ Plish ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Peters" To: Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2007 4:29 PM Subject: OT "He is" or "I am" how do we present ourselves on the web? I have a question of style: I'm currently busy setting up my new website, finally ... (no, it is not online yet). I'm going for a conventional site with a menu on the left and content on the right, nothing fancy, nothing too confusing, nothing too artsy ... the design can change later if I feel like it, first thing I want to have is a website for all my various projects. The start page says something about me, something like, "Michael plays guitar and loves livelooping ... he also uses the computer to create strange sounds ... blah blah". Stuff like that. Now my wife comes in and looks over my shoulder and wonders why I don't write "I play guitar and love livelooping ... I also use the computer" etc. etc. - I'm writing this about myself, so why don't I say "I" ? I don't know how to put it. If I say "he is" it sounds like somebody else has written it about me, while everybody knows that I wrote it myself. Somehow silly but then it does sound more neutral and objective. If I wrote "I am" the page would be full of "I've done this, I've done that" and somehow that wouldn't feel right either. I've checked some other websites for this and apparently it is quite normal to say something like "Per Boysen is one of Sweden's leading live-looping musicians" or "A leading figure in the emerging international live looping movement, Rick is a sound designer, electronic music composer ..." or "Avant-cellist Zoë Keating is a one-woman string quartet " ... even though we all know (and all site visitors know) that each of us wrote this him/herself. Opinions? -Michael www.michaelpeters.de From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 11 02:45:21 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9AAF43BF02; Wed, 11 Apr 2007 02:45:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [4.246.45.84] X-Originating-Email: [sambacomet@hotmail.com] X-Sender: sambacomet@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <20070411020052.53C903BF02@arsenic.violacea.com> From: "samba -" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Busk a move moondog gramps Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 19:45:16 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Apr 2007 02:45:19.0635 (UTC) FILETIME=[718F2E30:01C77BE3] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69485 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 02:45:21 +0000 (UTC) I played moondog on the radio too. I first encountered Gramps in Pike st mkt in the early 80s. He's at least as strange off stage as on,it's not really schtick.If you know Gramps from the OCF we've prolly crossed paths,I've been going since 74-this will be my 33rd year. Last time I busked in Pike st mid 90s, Gramps gave me a decent tip. I made my liveing ,or at least the money I ate on w/ street music in the early 70s in my rambling days. Did really well in Canada,like 15US an hour in the mid 70s when min wage ws 2 ,but it was cause I was so bad they felt sorry for me. There was another guy in SF in those days,Professor Gizmo who had a washboard jug ,harmonica kazoo rack and varios slide whisltes,sirens bells etc. I recall him doing a fully orchestrated version of St Louis Blues. The bucket drumming thing started on the E.coast sometime in the early to mid 80s.it was a long time before it got to the W. coast. It's probably a meme that more than one person thought of. There are some people who play big 50 gallon plastic barrels and pots and pans ,any sort of junk percussion ,on the street n Santa Cruz who sometimes really wail .I've played with them when they had a very intense syncopated ,fast 15 going ,and they all knew where they were. _________________________________________________________________ Need a break? Find your escape route with Live Search Maps. http://maps.live.com/?icid=hmtag3 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 11 02:50:04 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3E86F3BF0C; Wed, 11 Apr 2007 02:50:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-WELL-Auth: Yes Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <007301c77bb7$4dc9c950$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> References: <20070409171855.D86F43BF69@arsenic.violacea.com> <007301c77bb7$4dc9c950$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 19:39:31 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Chris Muir Subject: Re: OT "He is" or "I am" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.88.7/3064/Tue Apr 10 09:25:23 2007 on paz.well.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69486 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 02:50:04 +0000 (UTC) For a bio I had to provide for the Beam Foundation web site I wrote: Chris Muir has been embroiled in computers and music for over thirty years. He has been heavily involved with music software environments for much of this time. Previous employment includes Beatnik (nee Headspace) a company creating synthesis engines for industry, Gibson Western Innovation Zone (GWIZ), an R&D lab run by Gibson Guitar, Electronics For Imaging (EFI), Zeta Music, and Salamander Music Systems (SMS). Chris has also worked with CNMAT (Center for New Music and Audio Technology), and has contributed to Cycling 74's Max environment. An accomplished musician and composer, he has been involved with many projects, in many genres. He currently performs with "Lunar Asylum", "Yo Miles!" and "Zen Disaster". In his spare time he enjoys referring to himself in the third person. -C -- Chris Muir | "There are many futures and only one status quo. cbm@well.com | This is why conservatives mostly agree, http://www.xfade.com | and radicals always argue." - Brian Eno From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 11 02:58:00 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B22F23BF0E; Wed, 11 Apr 2007 02:58:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-5-384571888 Message-Id: From: Richard Sales Subject: Re: Busk a move moondog gramps Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 19:57:47 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Resent-Message-ID: <1e8zVB.A.MOB.46EHGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69487 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 02:58:00 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-5-384571888 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed I'm smiling Was Sid Small Professor Gizmo? He played washboard in the marching band at the country fair. Good friend. Good man richard sales glassWing farm and studio vancouver island, b.c. 800.545.6846 250.752.4816 www.glassWing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com On 10-Apr-07, at 7:45 PM, samba - wrote: > > I played moondog on the radio too. I first encountered Gramps in > Pike st mkt in the early 80s. He's at least as strange off stage as > on,it's not really schtick.If you know Gramps from the OCF we've > prolly crossed paths,I've been going since 74-this will be my 33rd > year. Last time I busked in Pike st mid 90s, Gramps gave me a decent > tip. I made my liveing ,or at least the money I ate on w/ street music > in the early 70s in my rambling days. Did really well in Canada,like > 15US an hour in the mid 70s when min wage ws 2 ,but it was cause I > was so bad they felt sorry for me. There was another guy in SF in > those days,Professor Gizmo who had a washboard jug ,harmonica kazoo > rack and varios slide whisltes,sirens bells etc. I recall him doing a > fully orchestrated version of St Louis Blues. --Apple-Mail-5-384571888 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=US-ASCII I'm smiling Was Sid Small Professor Gizmo? He played washboard in the marching band at the country fair. Good friend. Good man Gadgetrichard sales 7373,7F7F,C5C5glassWing farm and studio vancouver island, b.c. 800.545.6846 250.752.4816C3C3,9696,1C1C www.glassWing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com On 10-Apr-07, at 7:45 PM, samba - wrote: I played moondog on the radio too. I first encountered Gramps in Pike st mkt in the early 80s. He's at least as strange off stage as on,it's not really schtick.If you know Gramps from the OCF we've prolly crossed paths,I've been going since 74-this will be my 33rd year. Last time I busked in Pike st mid 90s, Gramps gave me a decent tip. I made my liveing ,or at least the money I ate on w/ street music in the early 70s in my rambling days. Did really well in Canada,like 15US an hour in the mid 70s when min wage ws 2 ,but it was cause I was so bad they felt sorry for me. There was another guy in SF in those days,Professor Gizmo who had a washboard jug ,harmonica kazoo rack and varios slide whisltes,sirens bells etc. I recall him doing a fully orchestrated version of St Louis Blues. --Apple-Mail-5-384571888-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 11 03:01:04 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0F6323BEF1; Wed, 11 Apr 2007 03:01:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: References: <20070409171855.D86F43BF69@arsenic.violacea.com> <007301c77bb7$4dc9c950$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-6-384760567 Message-Id: <1d7ddb8fec5546588993db8ca9817c2a@glasswing.com> From: Richard Sales Subject: Re: OT "He is" or "I am" Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 20:00:56 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69488 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 03:01:04 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-6-384760567 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Holy schmokeys, Chris! richard sales glassWing farm and studio On 10-Apr-07, at 7:39 PM, Chris Muir wrote: > > For a bio I had to provide for the Beam Foundation web site I wrote: > > Chris Muir has been embroiled in computers and music for over thirty > years. He has been heavily involved with music software environments > for much of this time. Previous employment includes Beatnik (nee > Headspace) a company creating synthesis engines for industry, Gibson > Western Innovation Zone (GWIZ), an R&D lab run by Gibson Guitar, > Electronics For Imaging (EFI), Zeta Music, and Salamander Music > Systems (SMS). Chris has also worked with CNMAT (Center for New Music > and Audio Technology), and has contributed to Cycling 74's Max > environment. An accomplished musician and composer, he has been > involved with many projects, in many genres. He currently performs > with "Lunar Asylum", "Yo Miles!" and "Zen Disaster". In his spare time > he enjoys referring to himself in the third person. > > -C > > -- > Chris Muir | "There are many futures and only one status quo. > cbm@well.com | This is why conservatives mostly agree, > http://www.xfade.com | and radicals always argue." - Brian Eno > --Apple-Mail-6-384760567 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=US-ASCII Holy schmokeys, Chris! Gadgetrichard sales 7373,7F7F,C5C5glassWing farm and studio On 10-Apr-07, at 7:39 PM, Chris Muir wrote: For a bio I had to provide for the Beam Foundation web site I wrote: Chris Muir has been embroiled in computers and music for over thirty years. He has been heavily involved with music software environments for much of this time. Previous employment includes Beatnik (nee Headspace) a company creating synthesis engines for industry, Gibson Western Innovation Zone (GWIZ), an R&D lab run by Gibson Guitar, Electronics For Imaging (EFI), Zeta Music, and Salamander Music Systems (SMS). Chris has also worked with CNMAT (Center for New Music and Audio Technology), and has contributed to Cycling 74's Max environment. An accomplished musician and composer, he has been involved with many projects, in many genres. He currently performs with "Lunar Asylum", "Yo Miles!" and "Zen Disaster". In his spare time he enjoys referring to himself in the third person. -C -- Chris Muir | "There are many futures and only one status quo. cbm@well.com | This is why conservatives mostly agree, http://www.xfade.com | and radicals always argue." - Brian Eno --Apple-Mail-6-384760567-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 11 04:15:43 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1D6EB3BEFE; Wed, 11 Apr 2007 04:15:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Originating-IP: [207.90.215.185] X-Identified-User: {864:box76.bluehost.com:kevinkis:kevinkissinger.com} {sentby:webmail from 207.90.215.185} Message-ID: <20070410231540.ljvl1n6zacg4gk0s@69.89.21.76> Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 23:15:40 -0500 From: kkissinger@kevinkissinger.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, Michael Peters Subject: Re: OT "He is" or "I am" References: <20070409171855.D86F43BF69@arsenic.violacea.com> <007301c77bb7$4dc9c950$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> In-Reply-To: <007301c77bb7$4dc9c950$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.3) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69489 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 04:15:43 +0000 (UTC) Quoting Michael Peters : > how do we present ourselves on the web? I have a question of style: I'm > currently busy setting up my new website, finally ... (no, it is not onlin= e > yet). > > - I'm writing this about myself, so why don't I say "I" ? > > If I wrote > "I am" the page would be full of "I've done this, I've done that" and > somehow that wouldn't feel right either. Hi Michael, I enjoy visiting musicians' websites that have interesting content. I =20 prefer a low-key experience without lots of flashing graphics, banner =20 ads, etc. I want to learn something about the musician and, well... I =20 want to learn something useful that I can apply to my own musical =20 efforts, too. Personally, whether the site is written in third-person or =20 first-person does not matter to me, though I find to read first-person =20 a little less formal and more engaging. Yes, if you and I met in person and you began every sentence with "I" =20 -- that might get a little old. However, on your website, it IS about =20 you. Your visitors expect to read information about you and expect you =20 to write about yourself. So, don't fret too much. Just let your genuine self come through. Look forward to visiting your website when it is ready. Sincerely, Kevin From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 11 06:10:04 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 175E33BF14; Wed, 11 Apr 2007 06:10:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <01cc01c77c00$0d210320$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "RICK WALKER" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: OT "He is" or "I am" Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 23:10:06 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.1 required=1.0 tests=AWL autolearn=disabled version=3.1.7 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.7 (2006-10-05) on mail.cruzio.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69490 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 06:10:04 +0000 (UTC) Dear Michael, you wrote: "I don't know how to put it. If I say "he is" it sounds like somebody else has written it about me, while everybody knows that I wrote it myself." This is an assumption that after having been in the music business professionally for 30 years making money at different times as both a producer/promoter/publicist/band leader/band manager/ and solo artist that I must disagree with. There seems to be an unwritten prejudice in western culture (at least) that there is something unseemly about self promotion, but the fact of the matter is a huge amount of the promotion you see on the web is just that and , furthermore, it is self promotion that is under the guise of non-self promotion. If you write "I am",there are many, many people who will not take you seriously, whereas,though people may suspect that you wrote the material when you say "He is", they will not be able to make that assumption. Usually, a great deal of the promotion you see out in the world is self promotion. If you're website is as professional as everything you seem to do graphically, many, many people will assume that someone else did it for you or that a 'record company' did it for you. As long as your site is professional and effective, people won't do anything but be intrigued by it and look closer at it. At the same time, anyone who is really cynical and/or judedgemental about you doing your own copy is not the kind of person who would ever buy your CDs anyway from my experience. I led and managed a quite successful regional new wave band in the early 80's (Tao Chemical, a band I was fortunate enough to play with my brother, Bill, in) and I frequently used a pseudonym when I did booking and managing for the group. If I identified myself as being a band member, many venues and record companies wouldn't even take me seriously. I did hundreds of hours of outreach and booking by pretending to NOT be myself so that I could get my band good paying and numerous gigs (and boy, did we gig a lot). It was very effective to not be me in that situation. I didn't care about the moral aspects of the small deception because I truly believed that we were a really special band and getting us as famous as possible and in front of as many audience members, journalists, DJs and record labels as possible was the most important thing. Industry insiders and other musicians may be able to guess that you did your own website but the general public will never make that assumption. Trust me, by an large they just won't. There are so many new labels in the world these days that it would be foolish to assume that one you haven't heard of is not a 'legitimate' one. My considered advice is to always use "He is" over "I am". You will be considerably more successful with this strategy. The whole music industry is based on illusion. Just because people think you are somebody.............you ARE somebody and can get really wonderful opportunities to put your artistry out their in public. It may be lamentable that the industry is based on so much hype but the fact of the matter is that it IS. As long as you have something that you feel can back up the beauty and professionalism of your site, then it's okay to use the small white lie of ''He is". The most important thing is the art, imnsho! yours, Rick From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 11 06:45:18 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 171423BF18; Wed, 11 Apr 2007 06:45:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C77C04.C67240E5" Subject: Re-Name that song - competition Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 16:13:55 +0930 Message-ID: <65865F047B28324D92F716B06CAAFE0F0232691A@sagemsg0020.sagemsmrd01.sa.gov.au> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Re-Name that song - competition Thread-Index: Acd8BMZ1gYCojRAdTRO0IQQ0NINRYA== From: "McDade, Rob (SLSA)" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Apr 2007 06:43:56.0216 (UTC) FILETIME=[C6E81380:01C77C04] To: undisclosed-recipients: ; Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69491 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 06:45:18 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C77C04.C67240E5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Robmusic fans! Most of you will be familiar with my slightly unorthodox song titles.=20 They are actually instrumentals! - and when you've been writing = instrumental material for nearly 20 years its hard to keep coming up = with meaningful, clever, or witty titles (that are not clich=E9d and = corny) - without the odd rude word slipping in! =20 Now a lot of you are familiar with my instrumental epic piece Dickhead = in a G string - it won a local song writing award in 2004 for the best = instrumental. Judges thought it was a bit too long and could do with a = change of title. I stood firm against this and was only willing to = shorten the title to 'Dickhead'. That's the anarchist in me! =20 However, it is starting to get embarrassing (or at the very least = awkward) now that I am trying to push my material to a wider audience. = More and more comments like - such a great piece of music, why did you = call it that? - are cropping up. =20 I can't help thinking that maybe it will go further with a cleaner = title. =20 Anyway - the track is on promo copies of my new album, Terrafirma.=20 Later this year I hope to get the album professionally manufactured and = mass produced - so there is an opportunity for a name change. =20 THE CHALLENGE: =20 Can you come up with a better title??? - have a listen on my mp3 page! http://www.mp3.com.au/track.asp?id=3D104938 =20 =20 THE PRIZE: =20 I am offering free CDs for the best title/s!! =20 =20 If I decide to go with a new title - that will end up on the mastered CD = and the winner will get multiple copies (2 or3 ) of the new album plus = one copy of each of my previous Cds EARTHROCK and TOUCHED BY THE SUN. =20 Sound good? Have a go!=20 Deadline - end of June 2007. =20 =20 ENTRIES OPEN TO ANYBODY ON THIS PLANET! OR OFF IT!! =20 But then f#ck it I might just keep the title. I'll still give a few Cds = away for the best suggestions =20 =20 Cheers Rob McDade =20 www.mp3.com.au/robmcdade www.myspace.com/robmcdade =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 Rob McDade Heritage Collection Development Librarian (Non-print) State Library of South Australia=20 McDade.Rob@slsa.sa.gov.au North Terrace, Adelaide SA 5000 GPO Box 419, Adelaide SA 5001 Ph. 61-8-8207 7261=20 Mob. 0404 541 084 Fax. 61-8-8207 7307 http://www.slsa.sa.gov.au =20 The information contained in this e-mail message may be confidential, = and may also be the subject of privilege or public interest immunity. = This e-mail and any attached files should be scanned to detect viruses = and no liability for loss or damage resulting from the use of any = attached files is accepted. If you are not the intended recipient, any = use, disclosure or reproduction of this document is unauthorised. If you = have received this e-mail in error please telephone +61 8 8207 7261.=20 =20 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C77C04.C67240E5 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

    Hi Robmusic fans!

    Most of you will be familiar with my slightly = unorthodox song titles.

    They are actually instrumentals! – and when = you’ve been writing instrumental material for nearly 20 years its hard to keep = coming up with meaningful, clever, or witty titles (that are not clich=E9d and = corny) =A0- without the odd rude word slipping in!

     

    Now a lot of you are familiar with my instrumental = epic piece Dickhead in a G string – it won a local song writing award in 2004 = for the best instrumental.=A0 Judges thought it was a bit too long and could do = with a change of title. I stood firm against this and was only willing to = shorten the title to ‘Dickhead’.=A0 That’s the anarchist in = me!

     

    However, it is starting to get embarrassing (or at = the very least awkward) now that I am trying to push my material to a wider = audience.=A0 More and more comments like - such a great piece of music, why did you call = it that? – are cropping up.

     

    I can’t help thinking that maybe it will go = further with a cleaner title.

     

    Anyway – the track is on promo copies of my = new album, Terrafirma.

    Later this year I hope to get the album = professionally =A0manufactured and mass produced – so there is an opportunity for a name = change.

     

    THE CHALLENGE:

     

    Can you come up with a better title??? – have = a listen on my mp3 page!

    http://www.mp3.com.a= u/track.asp?id=3D104938

     

     

    THE PRIZE:

     

    I am offering free CDs for the best title/s!!=A0 =

     

    If I decide to go with a new title – that = will end up on the mastered CD and the winner will get multiple copies (2 or3 ) of = the new album plus one copy of each of my previous Cds EARTHROCK and TOUCHED BY THE = SUN.

     

    Sound good? Have a go! =

    Deadline =A0- end of June 2007. = =A0=A0=A0

     

    ENTRIES OPEN TO ANYBODY ON THIS PLANET!=A0 OR OFF = IT!!

     

    But then f#ck it I might just keep the title. = =A0I’ll still give a few Cds away for the best = suggestions

     

     

    Cheers

    Rob McDade

     

    www.mp3.com.au/robmcdade

    www.myspace.com/robmcdade

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

    Rob = McDade
    Heritage Collection Development Librarian (Non-print)
    State Library of South Australia =

    McDade.Rob@slsa.sa.gov.au
    North Terrace,  Adelaide  SA  5000
    GPO Box 419, Adelaide   SA  5001
    Ph. 61-8-8207 7261 
    Mob. 0404 541 084
    Fax. 61-8-8207 7307
    http://www.slsa.sa.gov.au

    The information contained in this e-mail message may be confidential, and = may also be the subject of privilege or public interest immunity. This e-mail and = any attached files should be scanned to detect viruses and no liability for = loss or damage resulting from the use of any attached files is accepted. If you = are not the intended recipient, any use, disclosure or reproduction of this = document is unauthorised. If you have received this e-mail in error please telephone = +61 8 8207 7261.

     

    ------_=_NextPart_001_01C77C04.C67240E5-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 11 07:37:48 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2B4183BF14; Wed, 11 Apr 2007 07:37:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=p1/JTAb+SfUw1GHlUYPDHNc5kDKZKNrJr4YlCNetyBN1LXysrJnfjIPqsO2eV3gpdIJU/RLmOOYuXlPO7ojdG2ffSFmunw4Voyd+JUCQifJkWauG0+WIj57NxQcEfXQHGWb5TwCuhjUTvZyPcyURjVK9xz//cn25/0/SqUGzLmQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=nvgapscmtDt12MliLw3vFFH9u5N4R+tO4IJLZ2SNUE4t6ep4Dne1otZfwMgrIZZbW/dsmNt23eCiwjlFG47N/YZoZOi1Kki0bR3FF7VN46HKaYzqWIkUc1yh2Plw/OhAB35ghJ+bkKfgfdi2aEnrtaLmrEXStoPOXzd1qy2cYJw= Message-ID: Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 00:37:44 -0700 From: "Matt Davignon" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V07 #252 In-Reply-To: <20070411020052.53C903BF02@arsenic.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <20070411020052.53C903BF02@arsenic.violacea.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69492 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 07:37:47 +0000 (UTC) I recommend "He is". I think in a way, people expect to read things in the 3rd person, and if they know they're reading a promotional statement by the artist, it colors they way they take it in. Ultimately, I think it should depend on the content of your bio. If it's about what you do and why someone should find it interesting, a first person bio is best. If it's about why you do it, then perhaps a first person "artist statement" would be better. (Or I suppose you could do both, as long as they don't say the same thing.) As a frequent promoter of shows, I definitely prefer a third person "he is" bio. And from someone who reads many, many bios, terms that can give people a descriptive picture of what your music sounds like are good, but terms that suggest value or an automatic effect on the audience are not so good. Save the latter terms for reviews written by other people about you. Good: textural, melodic, intricate, coarse, epic, abstract, poppy, bouncy, structured, screeching, humming Bad: important, timeless, excellent, mind-blowing, mesmerizing, orgasm-inducing Matt Davignon www.ribosomemusic.com >Michael Peters (I think) was all: > > how do we present ourselves on the web? I have a question of style: I'm > currently busy setting up my new website, finally ... (no, it is not online > yet). > > I'm going for a conventional site with a menu on the left and content on the > right, nothing fancy, nothing too confusing, nothing too artsy ... the > design can change later if I feel like it, first thing I want to have is a > website for all my various projects. > > The start page says something about me, something like, "Michael plays > guitar and loves livelooping ... he also uses the computer to create strange > sounds ... blah blah". Stuff like that. > > Now my wife comes in and looks over my shoulder and wonders why I don't > write "I play guitar and love livelooping ... I also use the computer" etc. > etc. - I'm writing this about myself, so why don't I say "I" ? > > I don't know how to put it. If I say "he is" it sounds like somebody else > has written it about me, while everybody knows that I wrote it myself. > Somehow silly but then it does sound more neutral and objective. If I wrote > "I am" the page would be full of "I've done this, I've done that" and > somehow that wouldn't feel right either. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 11 13:26:17 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 050603BF16; Wed, 11 Apr 2007 13:26:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 23:38:10 -0400 From: "Emile Tobenfeld (a.k.a Dr. T)" Subject: Two showings of my work X-Sender: doctort2@incoming.verizon.net To: Two@arsenic.violacea.com, showings@arsenic.violacea.com, of@arsenic.violacea.com, my@arsenic.violacea.com, work@borisfx.com Cc: eyecandy@egroups.com, boss-improv@topica.com, iotacenter@egroups.com, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, atari-midi@yahoogroups.com, FRAMEWORKS@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69493 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 13:26:17 +0000 (UTC) Hi folks, I'll have pieces in two shows over the next 3 weeks. A new studio piece called "Hexagon Variations: will be part of the show, Quests, Visions & Journeys of the Spirit at the Monson House of Art, opening on Saturday,-- more description below. I've been in several Monson Art shows, and the variety and quality of the work has always been exceptional. At 1:06 PM -0400 4/10/07, Maureen Solomon wrote: >Dear Artists, Our Annual Spring Art Exhibition is ready to open. >Thank you so much for helping us spread the news by distributing >postcards and posters! Please encourage your friends and family to >come and see the show by sending out the following email. > > >Art Show in Monson Features 96 Regional Artists! > >Come see my work and that of 95 other artists in the Monson Arts >Council's spring show, called Quests, Visions & Journeys of the >Spirit. The dynamic exhibit absolutely fills 8 rooms with every >imaginable style of art. You will really enjoy the oil paintings, >collage, watercolor, wood carving, photography, ceramics, drawings, >sculpture & more - all of it wonderful and all for sale. Plus, >there is a print shop as well, where you can buy cards, prints, and >other work from exhibiting artists. > >The show is held at the House of Art, 200 Main Street in Monson. >Artists' Reception is Saturday, April 14 from 1 - 4p.m. The >exhibition will be open on weekends through April 29. Hours are: >Fridays 4- 8 p.m., Saturdays 10a.m - 5 p.m and Sundays Noon - 4p.m. > >If you come on Saturday, you can also see the Monson Woodwacker Show >in Memorial Hall right next door. If you come the weekend of April >27 - 29th you can stay and take in a live performance of On Golden >Pond, also at Memorial Hall (8p.m on Friday & Saturday, 2p.m. on >Sunday). > >For more information: macartshow@earthlink.net. On April 28, a live piece of mine called "Another Kind of Blues" will be shown between 2 and 3 PM at the first Visual Music Marathon at NorthEastern University's Egan Research Center, 120 Forsyth Street, Boston, MA 02115 . This will be part of an amazing event that I'm much looking forward to attending -- a must for anyone with an interest in visual music. 64 film and video works, plus live performances, will be shown from 10AM to 10 PM. For the full schedule, go to http://www.music.neu.edu/vmm/schedule.html -- " Practice makes perfect, imperfect is better." -- Paul Bley Emile Tobenfeld, Ph. D. Video Producer Image Processing Specialist Video for your HEAD! Boris FX http://www.foryourhead.com http://www.borisfx.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 11 14:43:51 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 38E2D3BECD; Wed, 11 Apr 2007 14:43:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-4-426919533 Message-Id: <6d704973330069e42fd3b77f0806635b@glasswing.com> From: Richard Sales Subject: Emile's link Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 07:43:35 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69494 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 14:43:51 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-4-426919533 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Hey gang! Check Emile's link to this event. Some cool vid's. I think the future of music could be visual. > http://www.music.neu.edu/vmm/schedule.html > richard sales glassWing farm and studio vancouver island, b.c. --Apple-Mail-4-426919533 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=US-ASCII Hey gang! Check Emile's link to this event. Some cool vid's. I think the future of music could be visual. http://www.music.neu.edu/vmm/schedule.html Gadgetrichard sales 7373,7F7F,C5C5glassWing farm and studio vancouver island, b.c. --Apple-Mail-4-426919533-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 11 15:07:00 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B43473BF0C; Wed, 11 Apr 2007 15:07:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 17:06:57 +0200 Message-Id: Subject: RE: RC-50 tempo sync issues via MIDI clock MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Sensitivity: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: "Sjaak" To: "Loopers-Delight" X-XaM3-API-Version: 4.1 (B54) X-type: 0 X-SenderIP: 217.68.49.65 Resent-Message-ID: <99URU.A.sqH.UmPHGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69495 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 15:07:00 +0000 (UTC) I also noticed some sync issues with my RC-50 and my synth's arpeggiators= . My midi setup: - RC-50: master - Yamaha S90ES: slave - Roland V-Synth: slave As soon as I use the tempo pedal, both synth's are synced directly, inclu= ding the arpeggiator's. But after let's say 10-20 secs, the arpeggiator o= f the Yamaha is running out of sync. For the V-Synth, it's takes longer b= ut it will start to run out of sync sooner or later. But I wonder if it has to do with the RC-50. The main issue here is that = the arp pattern isn't re-triggered at the end of the loop. I wouldn't be = surprised that any midi devices like PC or Mac sequencers will have the s= ame problem. And I think the same might occur when you use the RC-50 as a= slave: the phrases are not re-triggered at end the loop. But I don't kno= w all the internals of the RC-50 so I'm not sure. Does anyone agree with my theory?=0A---=0AScarlet ADSL Unlimited =E2=80=93= Slechts 24,95 euro per maand.=0AMax download snelheid tot 6 Mbps, 30 GB = download volume . Bestel nu=E2=80=A6 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 11 15:19:57 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 95BCA3BF04; Wed, 11 Apr 2007 15:19:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <4B714D33-DEE4-46A7-B161-F7E0DDC78A78@mac.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Teddy Subject: Re: RC-50 tempo sync issues via MIDI clock Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 11:19:53 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAA== X-Brightmail-scanned: yes Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69496 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 15:19:57 +0000 (UTC) all I know is that it doesn't work as advertised. i have not tried it as master though. teddy here my latest reply from Roland US: Yes, we do know about the issue. It is not a secret by any means that the RC-50 has trouble with its sync while acting as a slave. The truth is, we don\'t have power over \"the Japanese people\"; they have power over us. It is akin to asking guitar center to have one of their dealers change their product for them. We are the US distributors for the Roland brand. We have asked many many times for an update from Japan because we genuinely want to improve the product for you guys. That is all we can do. We will pass this email on to management for you as well. I hope that this helps answer your request. If you need more assistance in this matter, please either re-submit your support request or contact our Product Support Department at the appropriate number: On Apr 11, 2007, at 11:06 AM, Sjaak wrote: > I also noticed some sync issues with my RC-50 and my synth's > arpeggiators. My midi setup: > - RC-50: master > - Yamaha S90ES: slave > - Roland V-Synth: slave > > As soon as I use the tempo pedal, both synth's are synced directly, > including the arpeggiator's. But after let's say 10-20 secs, the > arpeggiator of the Yamaha is running out of sync. For the V-Synth, > it's takes longer but it will start to run out of sync sooner or > later. > > But I wonder if it has to do with the RC-50. The main issue here is > that the arp pattern isn't re-triggered at the end of the loop. I > wouldn't be surprised that any midi devices like PC or Mac > sequencers will have the same problem. And I think the same might > occur when you use the RC-50 as a slave: the phrases are not re- > triggered at end the loop. But I don't know all the internals of > the RC-50 so I'm not sure. > > Does anyone agree with my theory? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 11 15:27:51 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DC6453BF05; Wed, 11 Apr 2007 15:27:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-6-429567074 Message-Id: From: Richard Sales Subject: Re: RC-50 tempo sync issues via MIDI clock Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 08:27:42 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69497 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 15:27:51 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-6-429567074 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed Never had a problem arpeggiating from sequencer. But the seq was the=20 master. No wait! I think it worked even when I was slaved to time=20 code. But that's not the same as midi beat clock. But it held sync=20 fine for my ears... and all of the film and video folks I worked for. Before MIDI I used to sync my Linndrum to my Jupiter 8 arpeggiator and=20= that worked well too. I'm afraid the RC50 is suspect. And your observations seem to jibe=20 with Kenny's findings. I hope this isn't stupid. Been a long time since the MIDI wars for me.=20= But some of the old tanks & Gattling guns are still in my studio. BTW, speaking of old tanks and Gattling guns, I'm having my old Arp=20 OMNI II fully restored to sell on Ebay. Same with my Chroma Polaris. =20= I'll let you know when they go up. richard sales glassWing farm and studio vancouver island, b.c. 800.545.6846 250.752.4816 www.glassWing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com On 11-Apr-07, at 8:06 AM, Sjaak wrote: > I also noticed some sync issues with my RC-50 and my synth's=20 > arpeggiators. My midi setup: > - RC-50: master > - Yamaha S90ES: slave > - Roland V-Synth: slave > > As soon as I use the tempo pedal, both synth's are synced directly,=20 > including the arpeggiator's. But after let's say 10-20 secs, the=20 > arpeggiator of the Yamaha is running out of sync. For the V-Synth,=20 > it's takes longer but it will start to run out of sync sooner or=20 > later. > > But I wonder if it has to do with the RC-50. The main issue here is=20 > that the arp pattern isn't re-triggered at the end of the loop. I=20 > wouldn't be surprised that any midi devices like PC or Mac sequencers=20= > will have the same problem. And I think the same might occur when you=20= > use the RC-50 as a slave: the phrases are not re-triggered at end the=20= > loop. But I don't know all the internals of the RC-50 so I'm not sure. > > Does anyone agree with my theory? > --- > Scarlet ADSL Unlimited =E2=80=93 Slechts 24,95 euro per maand. > Max download snelheid tot 6 Mbps, 30 GB download volume . Bestel nu=E2=80= =A6 > --Apple-Mail-6-429567074 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=WINDOWS-1252 Never had a problem arpeggiating from sequencer. But the seq was the master. No wait! I think it worked even when I was slaved to time code. But that's not the same as midi beat clock. But it held sync fine for my ears... and all of the film and video folks I worked for. Before MIDI I used to sync my Linndrum to my Jupiter 8 arpeggiator and that worked well too.=20 I'm afraid the RC50 is suspect. And your observations seem to jibe with Kenny's findings. =20 I hope this isn't stupid. Been a long time since the MIDI wars for me. But some of the old tanks & Gattling guns are still in my studio. =20 BTW, speaking of old tanks and Gattling guns, I'm having my old Arp OMNI II fully restored to sell on Ebay. Same with my Chroma Polaris.=20 I'll let you know when they go up. Gadgetrichard sales 7373,7F7F,C5C5glassWing farm and studio vancouver island, b.c. 800.545.6846 250.752.4816C3C3,9696,1C1C www.glassWing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com On 11-Apr-07, at 8:06 AM, Sjaak wrote: I also noticed some sync issues with my RC-50 and my synth's arpeggiators. My midi setup: - RC-50: master - Yamaha S90ES: slave=20 - Roland V-Synth: slave=20 As soon as I use the tempo pedal, both synth's are synced directly, including the arpeggiator's. But after let's say 10-20 secs, the arpeggiator of the Yamaha is running out of sync. For the V-Synth, it's takes longer but it will start to run out of sync sooner or later.=20 But I wonder if it has to do with the RC-50. The main issue here is that the arp pattern isn't re-triggered at the end of the loop. I wouldn't be surprised that any midi devices like PC or Mac sequencers will have the same problem. And I think the same might occur when you use the RC-50 as a slave: the phrases are not re-triggered at end the loop. But I don't know all the internals of the RC-50 so I'm not sure. Does anyone agree with my theory? --- Scarlet ADSL Unlimited =E2=80=93 Slechts 24,95 euro per maand. Max download snelheid tot 6 Mbps, 30 GB download volume . Bestel nu=E2=80=A6= = --Apple-Mail-6-429567074-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 11 15:28:42 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B18483BEFA; Wed, 11 Apr 2007 15:28:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=GOUBz7swrJKCIWwrTlAqR0e5tF7FuiJSXjnmczJhVILzM2ow3GlitigKsdwLsfD58ASkrOGUQIS6j2XSBzTjW1SAF3kqU5iW/XMKTZeFK9M6woyKKRBU6yGY9q4YDuTIYhzvjYpNvodtGHzcKTcdVl97pYI2ViJ+a7Mlc7xQASQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=KMu6nBMbW/TvzFj4vDfCuULCVyt9nfBoo49U3BY7fqHYBRP4vDdQ9wA6ogVNCvzjePHEoYT2SfXExUMWmCHuoyLjHZ71L+dW4pyv5LPUfVGp3YNEfCuWEfemNNfM+dHdafOpASiYgJuSR3rLSzFGC8me63LhkxGo6dwv8dGp6+U= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <007301c77bb7$4dc9c950$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> References: <20070409171855.D86F43BF69@arsenic.violacea.com> <007301c77bb7$4dc9c950$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: OT "He is" or "I am" Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 17:28:34 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69498 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 15:28:42 +0000 (UTC) Michael, I think you're taking the wrong view on this. You shouldn't give a damn "what people think" weather you or someone else has written the biography. The only thing that matters is who you are addressing with the text! If you want to use the web site to "show off" your personal artistic expression it may be fine to use "I am" and let the web site be a part of your "artistic outlet in the public domain". But if your intention is to provide the web site as a helpful resource for journalists, event promoters and general music business players you should definitely use the third person perspective. I have been working for a couple of years as a full time artist under major label contract pressure and have never seen a press release written from the first person perspective. But a writer can bring in certain quotes of the artist where he/she may explicitly say something. After I quit the commercial scene I was working for a while as a freelance writer for record labels and publishing companies. I wrote each biography in three different versions; (1) one very short that targets busy journalists that might even want to copy and paste the text into their magazine, (2) one longer text that gives a little more artistically relevant background and (3) one very long text that spells it all out in details. This long version are for journalists that may want to do homework before doing a redio or tv interview. On a web site one take could be to use the short version on the web page and provide a link to the other two versions. Go to www.allmusic.com and check out the biographies, they are well written with different levels of stylistic approach and tempo. And, as said: the key is to visualize and understand the reader of target. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) http://tinyurl.com/2kek7h (CC donationware music releases) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 11 15:29:21 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 037943BEEA; Wed, 11 Apr 2007 15:29:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <4B714D33-DEE4-46A7-B161-F7E0DDC78A78@mac.com> References: <4B714D33-DEE4-46A7-B161-F7E0DDC78A78@mac.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-7-429656397 Message-Id: From: Richard Sales Subject: Re: RC-50 tempo sync issues via MIDI clock Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 08:29:11 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69499 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 15:29:20 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-7-429656397 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Oh excuse me in my last email! NOT Kenny, Teddy's findings. richard sales glassWing farm and studio vancouver island, b.c. 800.545.6846 250.752.4816 www.glassWing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com On 11-Apr-07, at 8:19 AM, Teddy wrote: > all I know is that it doesn't work as advertised. i have not tried it > as master though. teddy > > here my latest reply from Roland US: > > Yes, we do know about the issue. It is not a secret by any means that > the RC-50 has trouble with its sync while acting as a slave. The truth > is, we don\'t have power over \"the Japanese people\"; they have power > over us. It is akin to asking guitar center to have one of their > dealers change their product for them. We are the US distributors for > the Roland brand. We have asked many many times for an update from > Japan because we genuinely want to improve the product for you guys. > That is all we can do. We will pass this email on to management for > you as well. > I hope that this helps answer your request. If you need more > assistance in this matter, please either re-submit your support > request or contact our Product Support Department at the appropriate > number: > > > > On Apr 11, 2007, at 11:06 AM, Sjaak wrote: > >> I also noticed some sync issues with my RC-50 and my synth's >> arpeggiators. My midi setup: >> - RC-50: master >> - Yamaha S90ES: slave >> - Roland V-Synth: slave >> >> As soon as I use the tempo pedal, both synth's are synced directly, >> including the arpeggiator's. But after let's say 10-20 secs, the >> arpeggiator of the Yamaha is running out of sync. For the V-Synth, >> it's takes longer but it will start to run out of sync sooner or >> later. >> >> But I wonder if it has to do with the RC-50. The main issue here is >> that the arp pattern isn't re-triggered at the end of the loop. I >> wouldn't be surprised that any midi devices like PC or Mac sequencers >> will have the same problem. And I think the same might occur when you >> use the RC-50 as a slave: the phrases are not re-triggered at end the >> loop. But I don't know all the internals of the RC-50 so I'm not >> sure. >> >> Does anyone agree with my theory? > --Apple-Mail-7-429656397 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=US-ASCII Oh excuse me in my last email! NOT Kenny, Teddy's findings. Gadgetrichard sales 7373,7F7F,C5C5glassWing farm and studio vancouver island, b.c. 800.545.6846 250.752.4816C3C3,9696,1C1C www.glassWing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com On 11-Apr-07, at 8:19 AM, Teddy wrote: all I know is that it doesn't work as advertised. i have not tried it as master though. teddy here my latest reply from Roland US: Yes, we do know about the issue. It is not a secret by any means that the RC-50 has trouble with its sync while acting as a slave. The truth is, we don\'t have power over \"the Japanese people\"; they have power over us. It is akin to asking guitar center to have one of their dealers change their product for them. We are the US distributors for the Roland brand. We have asked many many times for an update from Japan because we genuinely want to improve the product for you guys. That is all we can do. We will pass this email on to management for you as well. I hope that this helps answer your request. If you need more assistance in this matter, please either re-submit your support request or contact our Product Support Department at the appropriate number: On Apr 11, 2007, at 11:06 AM, Sjaak wrote: I also noticed some sync issues with my RC-50 and my synth's arpeggiators. My midi setup: - RC-50: master - Yamaha S90ES: slave - Roland V-Synth: slave As soon as I use the tempo pedal, both synth's are synced directly, including the arpeggiator's. But after let's say 10-20 secs, the arpeggiator of the Yamaha is running out of sync. For the V-Synth, it's takes longer but it will start to run out of sync sooner or later. But I wonder if it has to do with the RC-50. The main issue here is that the arp pattern isn't re-triggered at the end of the loop. I wouldn't be surprised that any midi devices like PC or Mac sequencers will have the same problem. And I think the same might occur when you use the RC-50 as a slave: the phrases are not re-triggered at end the loop. But I don't know all the internals of the RC-50 so I'm not sure. Does anyone agree with my theory? --Apple-Mail-7-429656397-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 11 15:50:16 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6F1AB3BEFF; Wed, 11 Apr 2007 15:50:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Originating-IP: [216.113.128.239] X-Identified-User: {864:box76.bluehost.com:kevinkis:kevinkissinger.com} {sentby:webmail from 216.113.128.239} Message-ID: <20070411105004.qtrrky3x28kcw04o@69.89.21.76> Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 10:50:04 -0500 From: kkissinger@kevinkissinger.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT "He is" or "I am" References: <20070409171855.D86F43BF69@arsenic.violacea.com> <007301c77bb7$4dc9c950$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.3) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69500 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 15:50:16 +0000 (UTC) Excellent topic and great information from folks that have experience in this area. In fact, I'm going to review my website to see if I can make some improvements -- including a bio written such that someone could copy and paste it if needed. Very good points. Indeed, my inbox fills up with Loopers-Delight posts however I appreciate the useful information. btw -- Rick, I'm putting together audition materials for the Live Looping festival and I may have to use "next day delivery" however I will manage that April 15th deadline. All the best from the midwest... -- Kevin From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 11 16:11:12 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C74843BEF1; Wed, 11 Apr 2007 16:11:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=BQExhHuHp4+e3TKCVc8nLK44AUls56R66gQdGj95EOFR7IBL3WdZFUwCjEHRLKoFyZ9WU/gh9s/IbMWnmpUMOkoQBCJwrgpiD6DU2HHRMfZsMLfCLTcGOdbSk5Z76/kDcYEK9mdoq0nvrdLp2iQ2d4ko6hW4VEhG36uM93bQRMc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=dX3tCyNNZw2kzYnrgDEJTWap3R40Fh1ceQc+KJxjnzUpiwj+jDtLzCHmMRirs+ji93GbR0KigIkUlPqB0CAeiu1gnnlgVucCjZZeyorlcagAIzgN119HnQniIzG6ol86rt6mRsw4BCkiHt+BLB7ZHVdeTMEcdpYxSu9m+BBgsXg= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <20070411105004.qtrrky3x28kcw04o@69.89.21.76> References: <20070409171855.D86F43BF69@arsenic.violacea.com> <007301c77bb7$4dc9c950$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> <20070411105004.qtrrky3x28kcw04o@69.89.21.76> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <72EB350E-C063-4D5F-822C-40D68B9820D6@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: OT "He is" or "I am" Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 18:11:05 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69501 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 16:11:12 +0000 (UTC) I just remembered a good advice someone once gave me, that I forgot to write into my other post on this topic. If you intend to write an online (or elsewhere) bio to target journalists and other media VIP's, please ask some journalist friend either to write it or at least to read what you have written and give some constructive (truly unforgiving) feedback. One important point when providing a "half short" bio or press release is to both leave out areas to let journalists "be a good pro and find out facts by ones own journalistic skills" and to provide some text blocks that could be pasted into an article (if the journalist should be busy and "forced" into this less professional writing technique). The art of penning press releases is to know your targeted audience and correctly pitch the level between the explicitly written facts, the implied facts and the deliberately left out facts. Back when record labels still were selling lots of discs each label used to keep at least one employee of this skill, but today the rule is to pay a freelance writer to do it. per From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 11 16:25:36 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 427413BF01; Wed, 11 Apr 2007 16:25:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <01d601c77c56$0746ca60$18cbf40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <20070409171855.D86F43BF69@arsenic.violacea.com> <007301c77bb7$4dc9c950$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> <20070411105004.qtrrky3x28kcw04o@69.89.21.76> <72EB350E-C063-4D5F-822C-40D68B9820D6@gmail.com> Subject: Re: OT "He is" or "I am" Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 10:25:32 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69502 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 16:25:36 +0000 (UTC) I think everyone should refer to themselves in the first person plural (we), just like Regan in the Exorcist. It will keep people guessing at whether you have a multiple personality, are possessed, are a member of the Borg, or if your name is really a pseudonym for a collective....like the Per Boysen Collective, the Bernhard Wagner Collective, etc. :) Kris From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 11 16:26:41 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1B7333BEEA; Wed, 11 Apr 2007 16:26:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <53050.167.83.10.20.1176308793.squirrel@www.michaelplishka.com> In-Reply-To: <72EB350E-C063-4D5F-822C-40D68B9820D6@gmail.com> References: <20070409171855.D86F43BF69@arsenic.violacea.com> <007301c77bb7$4dc9c950$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> <20070411105004.qtrrky3x28kcw04o@69.89.21.76> <72EB350E-C063-4D5F-822C-40D68B9820D6@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 12:26:33 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: OT "He is" or "I am" From: mike@michaelplishka.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.9a MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - server316.tchmachines.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [32166 32167] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - michaelplishka.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69503 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 16:26:41 +0000 (UTC) great point!! > I just remembered a good advice someone once gave me, that I forgot > to write into my other post on this topic. If you intend to write an > online (or elsewhere) bio to target journalists and other media > VIP's, please ask some journalist friend either to write it or at > least to read what you have written and give some constructive (truly > unforgiving) feedback. One important point when providing a "half > short" bio or press release is to both leave out areas to let > journalists "be a good pro and find out facts by ones own > journalistic skills" and to provide some text blocks that could be > pasted into an article (if the journalist should be busy and "forced" > into this less professional writing technique). The art of penning > press releases is to know your targeted audience and correctly pitch > the level between the explicitly written facts, the implied facts > and the deliberately left out facts. Back when record labels still > were selling lots of discs each label used to keep at least one > employee of this skill, but today the rule is to pay a freelance > writer to do it. > > per > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 11 16:58:10 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1B96E3BED0; Wed, 11 Apr 2007 16:58:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: cburke55@comcast.net (Christophe) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT "He is" or "I am" Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 16:58:07 +0000 Message-Id: <041120071658.20741.461D139F00041371000051052213528573CACA0A059D9A0D0C@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Oct 4 2006) X-Authenticated-Sender: Y2J1cmtlNTVAY29tY2FzdC5uZXQ= Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69504 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 16:58:10 +0000 (UTC) I have dealings with a fair number of professional/commercial artists and on their websites the rule is that they refer to themselves in the 3rd person singular in their biographies and 1st person singular in any artist's statements. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 11 17:51:59 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8BFC43BEEE; Wed, 11 Apr 2007 17:51:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com References: <20070409171855.D86F43BF69@arsenic.violacea.com> <007301c77bb7$4dc9c950$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> <20070411105004.qtrrky3x28kcw04o@69.89.21.76> <72EB350E-C063-4D5F-822C-40D68B9820D6@gmail.com> <01d601c77c56$0746ca60$18cbf40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: OT "He is" or "I am" Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 13:51:31 -0400 In-Reply-To: <01d601c77c56$0746ca60$18cbf40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 From: nemoguitt@aol.com X-MB-Message-Type: User Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Mailer: AOL WebMail 25045 Message-Id: <8C94A792C04D4D5-A7C-5D1A@mblk-d38.sysops.aol.com> X-AOL-IP: 205.188.212.222 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69505 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 17:51:59 +0000 (UTC) i always ask these people if they are the QUEEN or if they have a frog in their pocket.....:)m http://www.myspace.com/klobuchar10 http://mysite.verizon.net/vzepmeci/ www.ct-collective.com << I think everyone should refer to themselves in the first person plural (we) >> ________________________________________________________________________ AOL now offers free email to everyone. 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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 11 19:32:51 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 895183BEE4; Wed, 11 Apr 2007 19:32:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [4.246.75.173] X-Originating-Email: [sambacomet@hotmail.com] X-Sender: sambacomet@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <20070411152752.DCCAE3BF11@arsenic.violacea.com> From: "samba -" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: 1st person 3rd person Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 12:32:46 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Apr 2007 19:32:48.0384 (UTC) FILETIME=[2FD24800:01C77C70] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69506 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 19:32:51 +0000 (UTC) I personally prefer 1st person bios,but I recognize the issue with being taken seriously. Depends on who youraiming at .The very worthwhile fine arts world is different than the straight up music busniess. I sometimes avoid this conundrum by writing bios for other people,and have had them done for me. I think it's more important to satsify the reasons the conventions exist than it is to follow them to the letter.I like for the aesthetic of the art to be reflected in the aesthetic of the promotional material. For example promoting an african music group I printed everything in brown ink in a woodcut looking font on unbleached handmade looking ,grainy paper.Earthiness ,texture, roots. I used very rhytmic traditional graphics that continued the theme,and abssolutely no photos of the band standing in front of a wall. this was expensive ,but very efective. It's true that people will judge your professionalism on presentation,but that doesn't mean the presentation has to be formulaic. If the bio reads like an application form,why would I want to read all the way through ? If for instance,one's school or educational background has no obvious relation to the art being promoted ,does it matter? If the facts aren't entertaining or at least interesting,one can use an Artist Statement instead of a bio,and says something interesting-briefly. An Artist statement in addition to a bio can be a worthwhile addition.The point either way, is for them to have something to say about you in press releases, etc. so providing good copy is more important than perfect form. Good copy includes ,catchy phrases,you know,soundbites,hooks.It's another chance to be creative. I would add to Matt's list of bad adjectives Jazzy _________________________________________________________________ Download Messenger. Join the i’m Initiative. Help make a difference today. http://im.live.com/messenger/im/home/?source=TAGHM_APR07 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 11 20:28:09 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4FB443BEE6; Wed, 11 Apr 2007 20:28:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=ogGyIpxSGLccobPJSQsPtJF/+l5sTM3LY6HY6/2OhNK7eYTAeJNiz6O5n/roLJ6f; h=Received:Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MIMEOLE:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Message-ID: <002e01c77c77$eb040490$0202a8c0@YOUR08D5303051> From: "Echohead" To: References: <01cc01c77c00$0d210320$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Subject: Re: OT "He is" or "I am" Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 16:28:07 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-ELNK-Trace: af52f653ccdc6ede1aa676d7e74259b7b3291a7d08dfec797238c1c0615c829853a2f816559fcbfd350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 71.55.204.173 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69507 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 20:28:09 +0000 (UTC) I/We/He would like to take this opportunity to delurk for a moment. Fortunately I/We/He am/are/is a hobbiest, so "I" have thrown up a page of tunes. All improv looped guitar, most pretty old. I hope to have some time to record some new ones soon. I love this list,been away awhile...here is the link hope ya like em. http://thisphase.org/lips.html peace, Jeff ----- Original Message ----- From: "RICK WALKER" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 2:10 AM Subject: OT "He is" or "I am" > Dear Michael, you wrote: > "I don't know how to put it. If I say "he is" it sounds like somebody else > has written it about me, while everybody knows that I wrote it myself." > > > This is an assumption that after having been in the music business > professionally > for 30 years making money at different times as both a > producer/promoter/publicist/band leader/band manager/ > and solo artist that I must disagree with. > > There seems to be an unwritten prejudice in western culture (at least) > that there is something unseemly about > self promotion, but the fact of the matter is a huge amount of the > promotion you see on the web is just that and > , furthermore, it is self promotion that is under the guise of non-self > promotion. > > > If you write "I am",there are many, many people who will not take you > seriously, whereas,though people may > suspect that you wrote the material when you say "He is", they will not > be able to make that assumption. > Usually, a great deal of the promotion you see out in the world is self > promotion. > > > The most important thing is the art, imnsho! > > yours, Rick > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 269.2.0/756 - Release Date: 4/10/2007 > 10:44 PM > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 11 20:35:06 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8F8053BEFA; Wed, 11 Apr 2007 20:35:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [4.246.75.173] X-Originating-Email: [sambacomet@hotmail.com] X-Sender: sambacomet@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <20070411152752.DCCAE3BF11@arsenic.violacea.com> From: "samba -" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Seeking Performers Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 13:35:00 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Apr 2007 20:35:03.0935 (UTC) FILETIME=[E26220F0:01C77C78] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69508 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 20:35:06 +0000 (UTC) Speaking of MasterBuskers,I just got this from Reverend Chumleigh 's Central Casting,seeking performers for summer bookings for Variety shows in W. Washington state. I doubt anyone has done looping in this arena before,but it would be great,I highly encourage any of you close enough to look into this,garunteed to be an adventure. _________________________________________________________________ Need a break? Find your escape route with Live Search Maps. http://maps.live.com/?icid=hmtag3 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 11 22:35:49 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0BCB83BF01; Wed, 11 Apr 2007 22:35:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=eMY7Qbot1Wnmw6VfVTQgfBjamGruHyKn0CTV+RjMUrN0TqNwfbL5ni/AowajtD9YDP91yetsoNyGSWiofmgF1w72gEwW/dRUNB3KJlqLsNX8mGRtrPOvJWbTp4ZMSELkOiIUZ1J1h4tKyhudIn8w7lPEEaG5hheeLja5iN7mgak=; X-YMail-OSG: Lazdi5kVM1mt1gts2yQT2LSGOXpVJi.nTeE6dYBu Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 15:35:47 -0700 (PDT) From: Joshua Fuller Subject: Re: Re-Name that song - competition To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <65865F047B28324D92F716B06CAAFE0F0232691A@sagemsg0020.sagemsmrd01.sa.gov.au> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <444509.77157.qm@web54611.mail.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69509 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 22:35:49 +0000 (UTC) Rob----- STOP SPAMMING THE LIST! ! ! ! ! ! --- "McDade, Rob (SLSA)" wrote: > Hi Robmusic fans! > > Most of you will be familiar with my slightly > unorthodox song titles. > > They are actually instrumentals! - and when you've > been writing instrumental material for nearly 20 > years its hard to keep coming up with meaningful, > clever, or witty titles (that are not clichéd and > corny) - without the odd rude word slipping in! > > > > Now a lot of you are familiar with my instrumental > epic piece Dickhead in a G string - it won a local > song writing award in 2004 for the best > instrumental. Judges thought it was a bit too long > and could do with a change of title. I stood firm > against this and was only willing to shorten the > title to 'Dickhead'. That's the anarchist in me! > > > > However, it is starting to get embarrassing (or at > the very least awkward) now that I am trying to push > my material to a wider audience. More and more > comments like - such a great piece of music, why did > you call it that? - are cropping up. > > > > I can't help thinking that maybe it will go further > with a cleaner title. > > > > Anyway - the track is on promo copies of my new > album, Terrafirma. > > > > Later this year I hope to get the album > professionally manufactured and mass produced - so > there is an opportunity for a name change. > > > > THE CHALLENGE: > > > > Can you come up with a better title??? - have a > listen on my mp3 page! > > http://www.mp3.com.au/track.asp?id=104938 > > > > > > THE PRIZE: > > > > I am offering free CDs for the best title/s!! > > > > If I decide to go with a new title - that will end > up on the mastered CD and the winner will get > multiple copies (2 or3 ) of the new album plus one > copy of each of my previous Cds EARTHROCK and > TOUCHED BY THE SUN. > > > > Sound good? Have a go! > > Deadline - end of June 2007. > > > > ENTRIES OPEN TO ANYBODY ON THIS PLANET! 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    From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 11 22:56:42 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6D0083BF01; Wed, 11 Apr 2007 22:56:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: Re-Name that song - competition :: SPAM MY ARSE!!!! Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 08:26:36 +0930 Message-ID: <65865F047B28324D92F716B06CAAFE0F0232691D@sagemsg0020.sagemsmrd01.sa.gov.au> In-Reply-To: <444509.77157.qm@web54611.mail.yahoo.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Re-Name that song - competition :: SPAM MY ARSE!!!! Thread-Index: Acd8icT488gnPmyoQ7ema8duuN7NUAAApPWA From: "McDade, Rob (SLSA)" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Apr 2007 22:56:37.0173 (UTC) FILETIME=[A8BF6650:01C77C8C] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69510 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 22:56:42 +0000 (UTC) What's the difference between what I have put up - which encourages = other members to listen to my music and maybe get a free cd - and all = the other "hey look at what I'm doing" crap that comes thru which clogs = up my inbox?=20 Rob=20 -----Original Message----- From: Joshua Fuller [mailto:dnaflr2@yahoo.com]=20 Sent: Thursday, 12 April 2007 8:06 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Re-Name that song - competition Rob----- STOP SPAMMING THE LIST! ! ! ! ! ! --- "McDade, Rob (SLSA)" wrote: > Hi Robmusic fans! >=20 > Most of you will be familiar with my slightly > unorthodox song titles.=20 >=20 > They are actually instrumentals! - and when you've > been writing instrumental material for nearly 20 > years its hard to keep coming up with meaningful, > clever, or witty titles (that are not clich=E9d and > corny) - without the odd rude word slipping in! >=20 > =20 >=20 > Now a lot of you are familiar with my instrumental > epic piece Dickhead in a G string - it won a local > song writing award in 2004 for the best > instrumental. Judges thought it was a bit too long > and could do with a change of title. I stood firm > against this and was only willing to shorten the > title to 'Dickhead'. That's the anarchist in me! >=20 > =20 >=20 > However, it is starting to get embarrassing (or at > the very least awkward) now that I am trying to push > my material to a wider audience. More and more > comments like - such a great piece of music, why did > you call it that? - are cropping up. >=20 > =20 >=20 > I can't help thinking that maybe it will go further > with a cleaner title. >=20 > =20 >=20 > Anyway - the track is on promo copies of my new > album, Terrafirma.=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > Later this year I hope to get the album > professionally manufactured and mass produced - so > there is an opportunity for a name change. >=20 > =20 >=20 > THE CHALLENGE: >=20 > =20 >=20 > Can you come up with a better title??? - have a > listen on my mp3 page! >=20 > http://www.mp3.com.au/track.asp?id=3D104938 >=20 > =20 >=20 > =20 >=20 > THE PRIZE: >=20 > =20 >=20 > I am offering free CDs for the best title/s!! =20 >=20 > =20 >=20 > If I decide to go with a new title - that will end > up on the mastered CD and the winner will get > multiple copies (2 or3 ) of the new album plus one > copy of each of my previous Cds EARTHROCK and > TOUCHED BY THE SUN. >=20 > =20 >=20 > Sound good? Have a go!=20 >=20 > Deadline - end of June 2007. =20 >=20 > =20 >=20 > ENTRIES OPEN TO ANYBODY ON THIS PLANET! OR OFF IT!! >=20 > =20 >=20 > But then f#ck it I might just keep the title. I'll > still give a few Cds away for the best suggestions >=20 > =20 >=20 > =20 >=20 > Cheers >=20 > Rob McDade >=20 > =20 >=20 > www.mp3.com.au/robmcdade >=20 > www.myspace.com/robmcdade >=20 > =20 >=20 > =20 >=20 > =20 >=20 > =20 >=20 > =20 >=20 > =20 >=20 > =20 >=20 > =20 >=20 > =20 >=20 > Rob McDade > Heritage Collection Development Librarian > (Non-print) > State Library of South Australia=20 >=20 > McDade.Rob@slsa.sa.gov.au > North Terrace, Adelaide SA 5000 > GPO Box 419, Adelaide SA 5001 > Ph. 61-8-8207 7261=20 > Mob. 0404 541 084 > Fax. 61-8-8207 7307 > http://www.slsa.sa.gov.au > =20 >=20 > The information contained in this e-mail message may > be confidential, and may also be the subject of > privilege or public interest immunity. This e-mail > and any attached files should be scanned to detect > viruses and no liability for loss or damage > resulting from the use of any attached files is > accepted. If you are not the intended recipient, any > use, disclosure or reproduction of this document is > unauthorised. If you have received this e-mail in > error please telephone +61 8 8207 7261.=20 >=20 > =20 >=20 >=20 Don't be flakey. Get Yahoo! Mail for Mobile and always stay = connected to friends. http://mobile.yahoo.com/mail From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 11 23:10:56 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EF6A23BF0A; Wed, 11 Apr 2007 23:10:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <461D6AF6.1000405@mhorse.com> Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 18:10:46 -0500 From: Daryl Shawn User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.10 (Windows/20070221) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Re-Name that song - competition :: SPAM MY ARSE!!!! References: <65865F047B28324D92F716B06CAAFE0F0232691D@sagemsg0020.sagemsmrd01.sa.gov.au> In-Reply-To: <65865F047B28324D92F716B06CAAFE0F0232691D@sagemsg0020.sagemsmrd01.sa.gov.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69511 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 23:10:55 +0000 (UTC) I wouldn't consider the content of this to be spam (in fact I was planning to listen to your stuff and take a crack at names myself), but the introduction and greeting ("Hi Robmusic fans!") makes it seem as if this posting was part of a mass-mailing to one's own mailing list. It's not proper etiquette to include a listgroup such as LD as a recipient on that kind of list. I'd just make it a personal (and personalized) posting next time. Daryl Shawn www.swanwelder.com www.chinapaintingmusic.com > What's the difference between what I have put up - which encourages other members to listen to my music and maybe get a free cd - and all the other "hey look at what I'm doing" crap that comes thru which clogs up my inbox? > Rob From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 11 23:11:17 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8AC063BF17; Wed, 11 Apr 2007 23:11:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <007f01c77c8e$ceb3ab30$16b2a8c0@netzrechner> Reply-To: "Tilmann Dehnhard" From: "Tilmann Dehnhard" To: References: <20070409171855.D86F43BF69@arsenic.violacea.com> <007301c77bb7$4dc9c950$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> <20070411105004.qtrrky3x28kcw04o@69.89.21.76> <72EB350E-C063-4D5F-822C-40D68B9820D6@gmail.com> <01d601c77c56$0746ca60$18cbf40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Subject: Re: OT "He is" or "I am" Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 01:11:58 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1+5+/cjH1LvP0y7kvgCqLyoYA3hANJp++AUQ8q 9O+XX5TctHy3gyKfV41I8e3LQG32j7aE5TyHB0dvpui1ck+EsG ZIlS6BBzs3XhLuxRBO7LuXKChmumLOR Resent-Message-ID: <9NWNVC.A.aiG.VsWHGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69512 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 23:11:17 +0000 (UTC) we think this is a great idea! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 6:25 PM Subject: Re: OT "He is" or "I am" >I think everyone should refer to themselves in the first person plural >(we), just like Regan in the Exorcist. It will keep people guessing at >whether you have a multiple personality, are possessed, are a member of the >Borg, or if your name is really a pseudonym for a collective....like the >Per Boysen Collective, the Bernhard Wagner Collective, etc. :) > > Kris > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 11 23:13:50 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 857323BF10; Wed, 11 Apr 2007 23:13:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <008801c77c8f$29e80eb0$16b2a8c0@netzrechner> Reply-To: "Tilmann Dehnhard" From: "Tilmann Dehnhard" To: References: <65865F047B28324D92F716B06CAAFE0F0232691D@sagemsg0020.sagemsmrd01.sa.gov.au> Subject: Re: Re-Name that song - competition :: SPAM MY ARSE!!!! Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 01:14:31 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX18CLeJ5cdroFUPl8FnwAlEEdEjviyTAT6UG/LU HrEssjOlKi5l4cMi24xJxcWUAsPrRLYekd5UsAuZZf9MH7y18x /JaZIVSabdHBGJbT3ylJV/IRG4UJn+q Resent-Message-ID: <28DnoD.A.LxG.uuWHGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69513 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 23:13:50 +0000 (UTC) here is my title challenge response: call it "my spam is good spam" :o) tilmann ----- Original Message ----- From: "McDade, Rob (SLSA)" To: Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2007 12:56 AM Subject: RE: Re-Name that song - competition :: SPAM MY ARSE!!!! What's the difference between what I have put up - which encourages other members to listen to my music and maybe get a free cd - and all the other "hey look at what I'm doing" crap that comes thru which clogs up my inbox? Rob -----Original Message----- From: Joshua Fuller [mailto:dnaflr2@yahoo.com] Sent: Thursday, 12 April 2007 8:06 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Re-Name that song - competition Rob----- STOP SPAMMING THE LIST! ! ! ! ! ! --- "McDade, Rob (SLSA)" wrote: > Hi Robmusic fans! > > Most of you will be familiar with my slightly > unorthodox song titles. > > They are actually instrumentals! - and when you've > been writing instrumental material for nearly 20 > years its hard to keep coming up with meaningful, > clever, or witty titles (that are not clichéd and > corny) - without the odd rude word slipping in! > > > > Now a lot of you are familiar with my instrumental > epic piece Dickhead in a G string - it won a local > song writing award in 2004 for the best > instrumental. Judges thought it was a bit too long > and could do with a change of title. I stood firm > against this and was only willing to shorten the > title to 'Dickhead'. That's the anarchist in me! > > > > However, it is starting to get embarrassing (or at > the very least awkward) now that I am trying to push > my material to a wider audience. More and more > comments like - such a great piece of music, why did > you call it that? - are cropping up. > > > > I can't help thinking that maybe it will go further > with a cleaner title. > > > > Anyway - the track is on promo copies of my new > album, Terrafirma. > > > > Later this year I hope to get the album > professionally manufactured and mass produced - so > there is an opportunity for a name change. > > > > THE CHALLENGE: > > > > Can you come up with a better title??? - have a > listen on my mp3 page! > > http://www.mp3.com.au/track.asp?id=104938 > > > > > > THE PRIZE: > > > > I am offering free CDs for the best title/s!! > > > > If I decide to go with a new title - that will end > up on the mastered CD and the winner will get > multiple copies (2 or3 ) of the new album plus one > copy of each of my previous Cds EARTHROCK and > TOUCHED BY THE SUN. > > > > Sound good? Have a go! > > Deadline - end of June 2007. > > > > ENTRIES OPEN TO ANYBODY ON THIS PLANET! OR OFF IT!! > > > > But then f#ck it I might just keep the title. I'll > still give a few Cds away for the best suggestions > > > > > > Cheers > > Rob McDade > > > > www.mp3.com.au/robmcdade > > www.myspace.com/robmcdade > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rob McDade > Heritage Collection Development Librarian > (Non-print) > State Library of South Australia > > McDade.Rob@slsa.sa.gov.au > North Terrace, Adelaide SA 5000 > GPO Box 419, Adelaide SA 5001 > Ph. 61-8-8207 7261 > Mob. 0404 541 084 > Fax. 61-8-8207 7307 > http://www.slsa.sa.gov.au > > > The information contained in this e-mail message may > be confidential, and may also be the subject of > privilege or public interest immunity. This e-mail > and any attached files should be scanned to detect > viruses and no liability for loss or damage > resulting from the use of any attached files is > accepted. If you are not the intended recipient, any > use, disclosure or reproduction of this document is > unauthorised. If you have received this e-mail in > error please telephone +61 8 8207 7261. > > > > Don't be flakey. Get Yahoo! Mail for Mobile and always stay connected to friends. http://mobile.yahoo.com/mail From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 11 23:17:37 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 462673BF16; Wed, 11 Apr 2007 23:17:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <444509.77157.qm@web54611.mail.yahoo.com> References: <444509.77157.qm@web54611.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1-457758561 Message-Id: <718bbe7b785a67fec25cecbc333ce0f9@glasswing.com> From: Richard Sales Subject: Re: Re-Name that song - competition Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 16:17:34 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Resent-Message-ID: <6q5QAB.A.nGH.QyWHGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69514 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 23:17:37 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-1-457758561 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed GREAT title! richard sales glassWing farm and studio vancouver island, b.c. 800.545.6846 250.752.4816 www.glassWing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com On 11-Apr-07, at 3:35 PM, Joshua Fuller wrote: > Rob----- STOP SPAMMING THE LIST! ! ! ! ! ! > > > > --- "McDade, Rob (SLSA)" > wrote: > >> Hi Robmusic fans! >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Rob McDade >> Heritage Collection Development Librarian >> (Non-print) >> State Library of South Australia >> >> McDade.Rob@slsa.sa.gov.au >> North Terrace, Adelaide SA 5000 >> GPO Box 419, Adelaide SA 5001 >> Ph. 61-8-8207 7261 >> Mob. 0404 541 084 >> Fax. 61-8-8207 7307 >> http://www.slsa.sa.gov.au >> >> >> The information contained in this e-mail message may >> be confidential, and may also be the subject of >> privilege or public interest immunity. This e-mail >> and any attached files should be scanned to detect >> viruses and no liability for loss or damage >> resulting from the use of any attached files is >> accepted. If you are not the intended recipient, any >> use, disclosure or reproduction of this document is >> unauthorised. If you have received this e-mail in >> error please telephone +61 8 8207 7261. >> >> >> >> > > > > Don't be flakey. Get Yahoo! Mail for Mobile and always stay > connected to friends. http://mobile.yahoo.com/mail > --Apple-Mail-1-457758561 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=US-ASCII GREAT title! Gadgetrichard sales 7373,7F7F,C5C5glassWing farm and studio vancouver island, b.c. 800.545.6846 250.752.4816C3C3,9696,1C1C www.glassWing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com On 11-Apr-07, at 3:35 PM, Joshua Fuller wrote: Rob----- STOP SPAMMING THE LIST! ! ! ! ! ! --- "McDade, Rob (SLSA)" < wrote: Hi Robmusic fans! Rob McDade Heritage Collection Development Librarian (Non-print) State Library of South Australia McDade.Rob@slsa.sa.gov.au North Terrace, Adelaide SA 5000 GPO Box 419, Adelaide SA 5001 Ph. 61-8-8207 7261 Mob. 0404 541 084 Fax. 61-8-8207 7307 http://www.slsa.sa.gov.au < The information contained in this e-mail message may be confidential, and may also be the subject of privilege or public interest immunity. This e-mail and any attached files should be scanned to detect viruses and no liability for loss or damage resulting from the use of any attached files is accepted. If you are not the intended recipient, any use, disclosure or reproduction of this document is unauthorised. If you have received this e-mail in error please telephone +61 8 8207 7261. Don't be flakey. Get Yahoo! Mail for Mobile and always stay connected to friends. http://mobile.yahoo.com/mail --Apple-Mail-1-457758561-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 11 23:19:31 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C6FDD3BF23; Wed, 11 Apr 2007 23:19:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: Re-Name that song - competition :: SPAM MY #### Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 08:49:26 +0930 Message-ID: <65865F047B28324D92F716B06CAAFE0F02326920@sagemsg0020.sagemsmrd01.sa.gov.au> In-Reply-To: <461D6AF6.1000405@mhorse.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Re-Name that song - competition :: SPAM MY #### Thread-Index: Acd8jqusydYWnXuJTsurkXrQUOfThgAAI3gQ From: "McDade, Rob (SLSA)" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Apr 2007 23:19:26.0873 (UTC) FILETIME=[D9270890:01C77C8F] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69515 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 23:19:31 +0000 (UTC) Dear loopers, Thanks for the recent encouraging responses and I apologize to the list for any impropriety. I have a bit of a negative attitude to the music industry at the moment - as someone living in Adelaide - which is virtually the birthplace of Australian rock and roll - but which either treats its talent like 3rd class scum; and forces them to move interstate or overseas. I was born 10-15 years too late and on the wrong continent. But I digress!!! The offer [competition] still stands to you folk! Have a good day. Cheers Rob McDade -----Original Message----- From: Daryl Shawn [mailto:highhorse@mhorse.com]=20 Sent: Thursday, 12 April 2007 8:41 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Re-Name that song - competition :: SPAM MY ARSE!!!! I wouldn't consider the content of this to be spam (in fact I was=20 planning to listen to your stuff and take a crack at names myself), but=20 the introduction and greeting ("Hi Robmusic fans!") makes it seem as if=20 this posting was part of a mass-mailing to one's own mailing list. It's=20 not proper etiquette to include a listgroup such as LD as a recipient on that kind of list. I'd just make it a personal (and personalized)=20 posting next time. Daryl Shawn www.swanwelder.com www.chinapaintingmusic.com > What's the difference between what I have put up - which encourages other members to listen to my music and maybe get a free cd - and all the other "hey look at what I'm doing" crap that comes thru which clogs up my inbox?=20 > Rob=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 12 01:15:57 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D120C3BF20; Thu, 12 Apr 2007 01:15:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=dzuRyptsWOgK/IQO9qB+xnYqraXBmwzTPdBhLqnhmivDyaInBjBS+nR5UH99AWxe0fB76g8SZbjYzEitYPA5R6qLQY29DhTDT3g8/ZonuAESf+uEnmhpZVQuEV7gLbqXyPk/TZfBtXC2bp2geQBgTa2gigO+9ToOBkfP74rj6Nw=; X-YMail-OSG: ZUldnNAVM1mkftsWkNJltU7s8xSLnv4XQKTkB4_0CEcgcFXVBdWzIon7w50rNYtCr_5htSkwySYciYj3VT_P.idLsh8nwIWy4NLxsTszv2vOr60J2DuyVXlG3owoPA-- Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 18:15:55 -0700 (PDT) From: scott hansen Subject: new loop music from scott hansen on myspace To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20070411225643.E20CB3BF0E@arsenic.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-804685482-1176340555=:5047" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <640184.5047.qm@web33105.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69516 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 01:15:57 +0000 (UTC) --0-804685482-1176340555=:5047 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit just uploaded some new loop based music on at: www.myspace.com/scotthansen finished some recordings after 2 months of working on them....since my last project that i wanted to trade w/ folks i think i only had 3-4 takers, i'll just put a sampling of the new music up for online listening/consumption... gear is my mutant headless guitar w/ microphone in it--rocktron silver dragon--zoom g2-- digitech rp150--boss dd-20--direct to my fostex mr8 digital recorder... i tried something new w/ these recordings-usually in the past when i mixed down to my cd recorder i used the "natural" mastering effects button that the fostex has, but this time around i decided to not use it-to my ear it seemed like it was squishing (or squashing) the sound a bit (a real technical term i know)... bulk of the material was using the dd20 as my looper (the digitech and zoom each has 5 sec of delay, just didn't use them as much)... s--- --------------------------------- Expecting? 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    finished some recordings after 2 months of working on them....since my last project
    that i wanted to trade w/ folks i think i only had 3-4 takers, i'll just put a sampling of the
    new music up for online listening/consumption...
    gear is my mutant headless guitar w/ microphone in it--rocktron silver dragon--zoom g2--
    digitech rp150--boss dd-20--direct to my fostex mr8 digital recorder...
    i tried something new w/ these recordings-usually in the past when i mixed down to my
    cd recorder i used the "natural" mastering effects button that the fostex has, but this time around i decided to not use it-to my ear it seemed like it was squishing (or squashing) the sound a bit (a real technical term i know)...
    bulk of the material was using the dd20 as my looper (the digitech and zoom each has 5 sec of delay, just didn't use them as much)...
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Mail Beta. --0-804685482-1176340555=:5047-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 12 02:20:41 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9C72D3BF35; Thu, 12 Apr 2007 02:20:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=Fsk8/iwSuI9JxxTEYjX8lO2TycMsRgh+rKyIDRcVXM8tTWYbzmYbTUOSukpPBa9O+lHCSdw9JjwqlCSdpnIGFqbBWd/Tcozg/yLqjyUsfbedipRPH5sds4g4dHDNcq6AzmgJvxwflHGwyhRLQt1ct9U+ShhdxtgwPccgYY2ak/o= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=FbbdfKUgdT+68FvXCbUaNitG49o4h9Qak/xBLSTUqyHfvWaYouNIfIdcXV3wcoQfyqeu7wdXN7wJYmFcvRLLXpGwf5p8NWSLA84fgFEkZy+1Ju5Gy2RrcVWpFM06A+NxNT+KF+FrjdZzLpDrITM5lcle6NB0snf5n0rWTVqxURY= Message-ID: Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 19:20:39 -0700 From: "Matt Davignon" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT "He is" or "I am" In-Reply-To: <01d601c77c56$0746ca60$18cbf40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <20070409171855.D86F43BF69@arsenic.violacea.com> <007301c77bb7$4dc9c950$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> <20070411105004.qtrrky3x28kcw04o@69.89.21.76> <72EB350E-C063-4D5F-822C-40D68B9820D6@gmail.com> <01d601c77c56$0746ca60$18cbf40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69517 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 02:20:41 +0000 (UTC) and we are off topic....now! that reminds me - when "The Rock" was a wrestler, he used to always refer to himself in the 3rd person when threatening other wrestlers. I thought it would be cool if a professional wrestler used the 2nd person for making threats. "You're going to come down on yourself so hard that you're going to wake up in next week!" sorry... sorry. On 4/11/07, Krispen Hartung wrote: > I think everyone should refer to themselves in the first person plural (we), > just like Regan in the Exorcist. It will keep people guessing at whether > you have a multiple personality, are possessed, are a member of the Borg, or > if your name is really a pseudonym for a collective....like the Per Boysen > Collective, the Bernhard Wagner Collective, etc. :) > > Kris > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 12 03:11:54 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 429163BF36; Thu, 12 Apr 2007 03:11:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 23:12:11 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: paul Subject: Re: Seeking Performers In-Reply-To: References: <20070411152752.DCCAE3BF11@arsenic.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Message-Id: <20070412031153.BDD143BF2F@arsenic.violacea.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69518 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 03:11:54 +0000 (UTC) I've worked with him at several busking festivals here in Canada..... He's a very funny man! Paul Haslem www.dulcify.ca At 04:35 PM 4/11/2007, you wrote: > Speaking of MasterBuskers,I just got this from Reverend Chumleigh > 's Central Casting,seeking performers for summer bookings for > Variety shows in W. Washington state. I doubt anyone has done > looping in this arena before,but it would be great,I highly > encourage any of you close enough to look into this,garunteed to be > an adventure. > > >_________________________________________________________________ >Need a break? Find your escape route with Live Search Maps. >http://maps.live.com/?icid=hmtag3 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 12 04:43:54 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A72AA3BF3B; Thu, 12 Apr 2007 04:43:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: OT "He is" or "I am" Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 06:44:05 +0200 Organization: Moinlabs Message-ID: <000f01c77cbd$33624590$1001a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <20070411105004.qtrrky3x28kcw04o@69.89.21.76> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Thread-Index: Acd8URnG6mFwq7fWT72vXfetb76H2QAOQZnw X-RZG-AUTH: lUESeo99iNzPL8kuBgLYdKEqUywq9cxqeRA+BtFcSCD5deQ7OIWP/tbHCg== X-RZG-CLASS-ID: mo07 Resent-Message-ID: <5vJQBB.A.Qr.JkbHGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69519 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 04:43:54 +0000 (UTC) Thanks to all of you for the great ideas here as well! Talking about my own website www.moinlabs.de (nota bene: problems with the DHTML code make this almost unreadable on Firefox browsers - IE works fine here), (and my "marketing communication" in general), the major concept behind it is...inconsistency. This has in part to do with the fact that the website is just a grown heap of information, containing both stuff about my projects (the purple "MOINLABS" section) and just info and articles I wrote about other stuff (the yellow "OTHER THINGS" section). Leaving the "yellow stuff" aside in this discussion for one moment: There is always a changing perspective from first- to third-person (e.g. the info on the album projects "JANUS" and "Sauflieder Band 1"). Sometimes I put the description in a fictional context (see e.g. "The Cosmo Sessions"). What makes the thing more complicated still is the fact that I did/do both solo and ensemble work, and for the ensembles, of course a third-person perspective (e.g. "Eclectic Blah" ist a project of blahblah...) is in order. Here's what I found happened (and this sometimes matches with some of the suggestions I found here): * Everything about ensembles is third-person * Stuff about own projects or releases is first- or third-person, depending on my "mood at the moment" * Stuff targeted as a press text is third-person, sometimes spiced up with first-person statements marked as such by quotation marks (e.g. the "Clean Trippin"-subwebsite (German) under "MOINLABS/The Past/Clean Trippin") * There's an old (to-be-updated) non-targeted c.v.: first-person * There are two "auto-interviews", which while marked as such (i.e. "Straschill interviews Straschill") does really seem like a "neutral" interviewer leads a conversation with me There's a lot to do for me here - most of all whipping up a good press text/bio/whatnot and making it available for download in a fashion clearly visible from the front page. And then I need to completely reorganize this old site... Then there's other communication. For several years I've been writing (sometimes separate, sometimes combined) annual newsletters about activities of mine and of Eclectic Blah. These were first-person (in case of the stuff about me), somtimes quoting a third-person press text or third-person (in case of the stuff about Eclectic Blah), sometimes spiced up with first-person statements of mine marked as such. And now - ***!!!SHAMELESS PLUG!!!*** - there is for the first time a video interview! For that one (contents: my activities in 2006 as well as plans for 2007), I got together with a friend (a DJ and cultural scientist) and asked him to interview me. I gave him a very coarse outline of topics and questions I wanted him to ask me, as well as a list of tunes from which he would pick the tracks for the video. For the video itself, we did a first test run (beginning to end without stops), which I would then review and use as a basis for discussion and improvement. The second shooting was done in sections (separated by the tunes), and in between these four scenes we would quickly talk about what we just did. Btw, there is a lot of talk about looping/loopfestival/loop people related stuff, with lots of references toward events, websites and people (y2k6loopfest, LD, Rick Walker, Krispen Hartung, kybermusik). To cut a long story short: Please take a look at the video, please, and give me your feedback, either here (if fitting) or via private email! 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    From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 12 08:40:44 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4270C3BF46; Thu, 12 Apr 2007 08:40:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.no; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=okj20c1aqJO7Gq9xf126NKuBQI24UKObQ41ft0dNDc9c4sKoMAOXKPu9XZB/ETh4y5cCv7dXmRkHOT+9JEqYkmONAjrFPdwCV33YzMbhb4bs+x9b5EwSUMRI1KAlohLWsPvkGlL0iPTWpzfLeqM9izH6idQ/An26P9jKJkAALno= ; Message-ID: <20070412084042.30566.qmail@web26207.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: TbXZpPYVM1lM1xCAIwTB0ywvrwLrmh21CLSaFylbeRpcCf8IhCS44F9BxtQjcOwdMxANohVtl2a9PNHpLerZwKfhBrHjtgh0NxwcQLL1VWBJeyohmfxabZsFmgI- Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 10:40:42 +0200 (CEST) From: rune fagereng Subject: links to movies on improvisation and looping To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com, midiguitar@yahoogroups.com, repeater-users@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <1LUaYD.A.BzH.LCfHGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69521 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 08:40:44 +0000 (UTC) Hi ! Are there any movies on looping or music concrete - or improvisation in general. I am also interested in the more academic types of movies. The type; what is improvisation - whats jazz - or the history of looping - or history of the electronic music. Any tips or links ? Rune F. www.runefagereng.com www.myspace.com/runefagereng www.youtube.com/watch?v=bOHN4az59A0 Mail:rune_fagereng@yahoo.no Mob: 917 95 867 _________________________________________________________ Alt i én. Få Yahoo! Mail med adressekartotek, kalender og notisblokk. http://no.mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 12 10:08:55 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D7C4E3BF44; Thu, 12 Apr 2007 10:08:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AgAAAFaiHUbUSnILk2dsb2JhbACQBgIBAQcOBwYdl1o Message-ID: <461E0565.3030101@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 11:09:41 +0100 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: links to movies on improvisation and looping References: <20070412084042.30566.qmail@web26207.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20070412084042.30566.qmail@web26207.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <7O5HED.A.8zC.3UgHGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69522 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 10:08:55 +0000 (UTC) There's a BBC doc about their RadioPhonic Workshop. excerpt:- http://createdigitalmusic.com/2007/03/19/delia-derbyshire-reel-to-reel-beat-matching-virtuosa/ whole thing:- http://fatbaron.com/alchemistsofsound.avi Warning: 700MB file. andy butler rune fagereng wrote: > Hi ! > > Are there any movies on looping or music concrete - or > improvisation in general. I am also interested in the > more academic types of movies. The type; what is > improvisation - whats jazz - or the history of > looping - or history of the electronic music. > > Any tips or links ? > > Rune F. > > www.runefagereng.com > www.myspace.com/runefagereng > www.youtube.com/watch?v=bOHN4az59A0 > Mail:rune_fagereng@yahoo.no > Mob: 917 95 867 > > > > _________________________________________________________ > Alt i én. Få Yahoo! Mail med adressekartotek, kalender og > notisblokk. http://no.mail.yahoo.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 12 10:29:27 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EB2573BF44; Thu, 12 Apr 2007 10:29:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.no; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=eLDsovHT0xwaKFH+9iT0vM8MSo7GfWgg3IN9pn/mCETo8hjYkWAARxncj4f6J2kjNv9ZD9LSerEOxiGIul+PHLcot7aKVd7Jw9EISz38SHO0YO05ZyB5zH+FAiqIfJ4EQDZt8/pRHOjJ2bY6sQ52ovNMY2JzDnLnQW+Ao8cdeCU=; X-YMail-OSG: 8_jYM6kVM1mFBdb8qrfMd8WwlvlmFGye_Nb.nDa6hQ2je2rXuVYBzLiD_4U4.XE_B8Dose_BwgZC_.jDZFqIs2pNPRwoGuc323JCE5AEZUrTlOpfgQSmnRAKJaM- Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 12:29:24 +0200 (CEST) From: rune fagereng Subject: Re: Re: links to movies on improvisation and looping To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <461E0565.3030101@tiscali.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <467316.79646.qm@web26213.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: <5vI78C.A.8kD.GogHGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69523 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 10:29:26 +0000 (UTC) Hi ! Thanks. Look forward to see this. best regards Rune F. --- andy butler skrev: > There's a BBC doc about their RadioPhonic Workshop. > > excerpt:- > http://createdigitalmusic.com/2007/03/19/delia-derbyshire-reel-to-reel-beat-matching-virtuosa/ > > > whole thing:- > http://fatbaron.com/alchemistsofsound.avi > Warning: 700MB file. > > > andy butler > > > rune fagereng wrote: > > Hi ! > > > > Are there any movies on looping or music concrete > - or > > improvisation in general. I am also interested in > the > > more academic types of movies. The type; what is > > improvisation - whats jazz - or the history of > > looping - or history of the electronic music. > > > > Any tips or links ? > > > > Rune F. > > > > www.runefagereng.com > > www.myspace.com/runefagereng > > www.youtube.com/watch?v=bOHN4az59A0 > > Mail:rune_fagereng@yahoo.no > > Mob: 917 95 867 > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________ > > Alt i én. Få Yahoo! Mail med adressekartotek, > kalender og > > notisblokk. http://no.mail.yahoo.com > > > > > > www.runefagereng.com www.myspace.com/runefagereng www.youtube.com/watch?v=bOHN4az59A0 Mail:rune_fagereng@yahoo.no Mob: 917 95 867 _________________________________________________________ Alt i én. Få Yahoo! Mail med adressekartotek, kalender og notisblokk. http://no.mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 12 10:32:40 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C11CE3BF53; Thu, 12 Apr 2007 10:32:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 06:34:15 -0400 From: Bill Fox Subject: Listen to Afterglow, Galactic Travels, and The AM/FM Show To: undisclosed-recipients: ; Message-id: <461E0B27.7000409@soundscapes.us> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.10 (Windows/20070221) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69524 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 10:32:40 +0000 (UTC) AFTERGLOW ON WMUH: http://soundscapes.us/afterglow ======================================================================= Afterglow airs from 8:00 am to 9:30 am every Thursday morning. 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    From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 12 11:39:25 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 89C693BF56; Thu, 12 Apr 2007 11:39:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-YMail-OSG: 12VMZc8VM1mOTEpK364RsDpo1E8rr83f6ZJMii5StP4xasA9LCklreux6Px1jiFdg.nwqFFff4U9PB1RLcQra1.Oz.XWG0rY0hPaYO4.FOyxIwX16racIaYKKTo- Message-ID: <461E1A5C.8080904@owengreen.net> Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 12:39:08 +0100 From: Owen Green User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.10 (Windows/20070221) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: links to movies on improvisation and looping References: <20070412084042.30566.qmail@web26207.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20070412084042.30566.qmail@web26207.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69525 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 11:39:25 +0000 (UTC) This deals only tangentially with any of those things (but all of them), and features John Cage and Roland Kirk doing their thangs: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AUYtlMuN_V4 -- Owen rune fagereng wrote: > Hi ! > > Are there any movies on looping or music concrete - or > improvisation in general. I am also interested in the > more academic types of movies. The type; what is > improvisation - whats jazz - or the history of > looping - or history of the electronic music. From security@westernunion.com Thu Apr 12 12:07:17 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 16279 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Thu, 12 Apr 2007 12:07:17 UTC Received: from annerue.com (70-46-5-186.orl.fdn.com [70.46.5.186]) by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A830F3BF50; Thu, 12 Apr 2007 12:07:10 +0000 (UTC) Received: from User ([200.163.45.127]) by annerue.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Wed, 11 Apr 2007 19:51:31 -0400 Reply-To: From: "Western Union" Subject: Notification from Western Union Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 19:52:26 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1251" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Apr 2007 23:51:31.0781 (UTC) FILETIME=[547CAF50:01C77C94] To: undisclosed-recipients:;
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    PLEASE DO NOT REPLY TO THIS EMAIL     From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 12 15:09:35 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 768753BF57; Thu, 12 Apr 2007 15:09:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 09:09:34 -0600 Message-Id: <200704121509.l3CF9YQV011813@minds-eye.org> From: "Kevin Cheli-Colando" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: kevin@minds-eye.org Subject: Re: links to movies on improvisation and looping X-Mailer: NeoMail 1.25 X-IPAddress: 137.150.33.94 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: <6FORJC.A.RdG.vukHGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69526 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 15:09:35 +0000 (UTC) This has been mentioned before http://www.ubu.com/film/bailey.html A great series on improvisational music around the world by Derek Bailey. The first two episodes are especially good. Kevin -- Till now you seriously considered yourself to be the body and to have a form. That is the primal ignorance which is the root cause of all trouble. - Ramana Maharshi (1879-1950) Sound and Vision: http://www.minds-eye.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 12 15:47:03 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BD3C23BF5E; Thu, 12 Apr 2007 15:47:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Qua Veda" To: Subject: Music concrete- was: links to movies on improvisation and looping Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 08:47:20 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 Thread-Index: Acd86yJrCF3/UilnRB2DDGn9G4sCHQALiNTQ In-Reply-To: <461E0565.3030101@tiscali.co.uk> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Message-Id: <200704120850968.SM02160@quahome> X-RBL-Warning: REVDNS: This E-mail was sent from a MUA/MTA 206.212.233.27 with no reverse DNS entry. X-Declude-Sender: qua@oregon.com [206.212.233.27] X-Declude-Spoolname: D554c01f50000f523.smd X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude JunkMail (www.declude.com) for spam. Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69527 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 15:47:03 +0000 (UTC) Thanks for sharing this! I had not heard of the Radiophonics body of = work. The first installment talks about "music concrete", which was based on manipulation of found sounds. This is an area I'm partcularly = interested in right now, and I'm looking forward to learning, experimenting, and = creating some of my own work. Watching this clip reminded me that when I was about 10yrs old, I used = to listen to a 78rpm record that my father had , titled "Music Concrete". Amazing how sometimes things come full circle. :-) -Qua -----Original Message----- From: andy butler [mailto:akbutler@tiscali.co.uk]=20 Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2007 3:10 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: links to movies on improvisation and looping There's a BBC doc about their RadioPhonic Workshop. excerpt:- http://createdigitalmusic.com/2007/03/19/delia-derbyshire-reel-to-reel-be= at- matching-virtuosa/ whole thing:- http://fatbaron.com/alchemistsofsound.avi Warning: 700MB file. andy butler rune fagereng wrote: > Hi ! >=20 > Are there any movies on looping or music concrete - or improvisation=20 > in general. I am also interested in the more academic types of movies. = > The type; what is improvisation - whats jazz - or the history of=20 > looping - or history of the electronic music. >=20 > Any tips or links ? >=20 > Rune F. =20 >=20 > www.runefagereng.com > www.myspace.com/runefagereng > www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DbOHN4az59A0 > Mail:rune_fagereng@yahoo.no > Mob: 917 95 867 >=20 >=20 > =20 > _________________________________________________________ > Alt i =E9n. F=E5 Yahoo! Mail med adressekartotek, kalender og = notisblokk.=20 > http://no.mail.yahoo.com >=20 >=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 12 17:27:30 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2BBCC3BF04; Thu, 12 Apr 2007 17:27:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <461E6BF1.1020207@mhorse.com> Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 12:27:13 -0500 From: Daryl Shawn User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.10 (Windows/20070221) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Re-Name that song - competition References: <65865F047B28324D92F716B06CAAFE0F0232691D@sagemsg0020.sagemsmrd01.sa.gov.au> In-Reply-To: <65865F047B28324D92F716B06CAAFE0F0232691D@sagemsg0020.sagemsmrd01.sa.gov.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69528 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 17:27:30 +0000 (UTC) Rob, my title submission: "Dante Hitchhikes To Vegas" Here's a brief review. This, truly, is a musical trip, nine minutes long and needing that time, it seems, to tell its story. It somehow hangs together, even when running from Celtic fingerpicking to full-on Chevy Nova/2112/roach clip classic rock riffing, albeit still acoustic (and that, albeit with wah-wah and stoner crunch). There's definitely a narrative going on here, especially in the jarring changes like the moment two minutes in when the heavy-duty steel-string workout gives way to a very distant sirenlike slide, abetted by delicate filigreed harmonics. This turns into a beautiful meditation with a light Abercrombie-like melody that lasts just a minute before ushering in the fuzztone and a whole lot of melodrama. It's pocket-sized stadium-rock, turning on a dime from Skyrnd-worthy axeslinging to pensive echoes of the earlier, subtler textures. At seven minutes is the payoff, a feedback-drenched power chord glory stomp, clearing the gates for a wiggly-toned clean electric that manages to refer to almost everything preceding it, leaving you back at your door with a modest little handshake at the end. Daryl Shawn www.swanwelder.com www.chinapaintingmusic.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 12 17:40:20 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 466FC3BF61; Thu, 12 Apr 2007 17:40:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <461E6EFB.5080800@mhorse.com> Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 12:40:11 -0500 From: Daryl Shawn User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.10 (Windows/20070221) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: new loop music from scott hansen on myspace References: <640184.5047.qm@web33105.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <640184.5047.qm@web33105.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69529 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 17:40:20 +0000 (UTC) Scott, this is great stuff as expected. You're a harmonic sicko! And kudos for posting your negative reviews as well as the positive ones..! I intend to write a review myself and will let you know when I do. Daryl Shawn www.swanwelder.com www.chinapaintingmusic.com > just uploaded some new loop based music on at: > > www.myspace.com/scotthansen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 12 17:53:29 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 97EF13BF71; Thu, 12 Apr 2007 17:53:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: OT: VST plugin to do balance/pan function Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 19:53:40 +0200 Organization: Moinlabs Message-ID: <000701c77d2b$82144260$1001a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Thread-Index: Acd9K4Et8C22oLZEQeOx3YGo+5Ibug== X-RZG-AUTH: lUESeo99iNzPL8kuBgLYdKEqUywq9cxqeRA+BtFcSCD10+29g0ZGb20EK9A= X-RZG-CLASS-ID: mo07 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69530 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 17:53:29 +0000 (UTC) I need a pan/balance thing to put in my signal chain in Live in front of Mobius. It should be a stereo in/stereo out VST and do the following: It should be basically a dual mono in/stereo out thing with pan functions in each input and one dial controlling them. If the dial is centered, the pan settings should be left for the left input and right for the right input. If you turn the dial to the left, the right channel's pan setting should be turned to the left, if you turn the dial to the right, the left channel's pan setting should be turned to the right. And perhaps different settings for level compensation. Is something like this available? Rainer From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 12 18:03:55 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 55EB43BF78; Thu, 12 Apr 2007 18:03:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=l4SrDevWnmumySj94FPguMOTO+yxIhPcxAsCAbVKgvF0qTu9XYgxmmIGZQ5dGfTsT9f1N94gssflzKug3WkitmVKsV/eMNIhiS3VHeQt5BBZ29s6ldZ2UDwlUlLGdMSJ8AZ8pN/xA3hCOTaMO3piTpmonAnhZpIBJwQJQgcx5Lo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=m7Kl/Z1cH0l79FG6B708AEPBEAOnMH++JkVMc328dDoGJ5b8Ddqk/lOs/TgGzmOoJEDRgP3x2tjImXo1ad4CtuWa9VQUWxKvoxQCyRFfssnsJXvomuRQhOEXKxRweFDJI/D0I0Has1R8VRnPf+HsJo4y+Zf23hCfe04WvSbgyCU= Message-ID: Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 14:03:52 -0400 From: "Tony K" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: VST plugin to do balance/pan function In-Reply-To: <000701c77d2b$82144260$1001a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_21972_33002654.1176401032396" References: <000701c77d2b$82144260$1001a8c0@succubus> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69531 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 18:03:55 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_21972_33002654.1176401032396 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline I don't know of one, but it doesn't sound like a really hard thing to do with something like SynthEdit. You could try asking on the SynthEdit mailing list and see if anyone has one, or is willing to build one for you. http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/syntheditusers/ Tony On 4/12/07, Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill wrote: > > I need a pan/balance thing to put in my signal chain in Live in front of > Mobius. It should be a stereo in/stereo out VST and do the following: > > It should be basically a dual mono in/stereo out thing with pan functions > in > each input and one dial controlling them. If the dial is centered, the pan > settings should be left for the left input and right for the right input. > If > you turn the dial to the left, the right channel's pan setting should be > turned to the left, if you turn the dial to the right, the left channel's > pan setting should be turned to the right. > > And perhaps different settings for level compensation. > > Is something like this available? > > Rainer > > -- -==-=-=- Tony ------=_Part_21972_33002654.1176401032396 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline I don't know of one, but it doesn't sound like a really hard thing to do with something like SynthEdit.  You could try asking on the SynthEdit mailing list and see if anyone has one, or is willing to build one for you.

    http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/syntheditusers/

    Tony

    On 4/12/07, Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill <rs@moinlabs.de> wrote:
    I need a pan/balance thing to put in my signal chain in Live in front of
    Mobius. It should be a stereo in/stereo out VST and do the following:

    It should be basically a dual mono in/stereo out thing with pan functions in
    each input and one dial controlling them. If the dial is centered, the pan
    settings should be left for the left input and right for the right input. If
    you turn the dial to the left, the right channel's pan setting should be
    turned to the left, if you turn the dial to the right, the left channel's
    pan setting should be turned to the right.

    And perhaps different settings for level compensation.

    Is something like this available?

            Rainer




    --
    -==-=-=-
    Tony ------=_Part_21972_33002654.1176401032396-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 12 19:12:37 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EDF853BF2F; Thu, 12 Apr 2007 19:12:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=gGfyOKo7TzSaKhMnwf8Qeh+8y+I3ZCU4UHm66NWbW7g6li8vhI+90FbX2Ws5UI2V8k4xMG4p+rzYuClMRVPDqLCqmvDpKXkQhxckyiXhelHiuZkG2P3j5MbvCf7w02zM1Nns+JnTxgiddh27lVZcw3JILoklJzF9Wf7cvkW2/SQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=OrqidZCz49vDA1JSgoHLkhkWEcmxKB11b+VhCkEzeu2TPQftIKJqVMXRXEz7/u3fEEAsCJ5owsGnlGxc8xisLq2MaGt7vC9Q0gwe13t2kgfAdp9HtXoC3kOlMJAIio9VzDa738LI0/BJcYkseD88DzRsQKcC8QR53BGzUhWRVCo= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <000701c77d2b$82144260$1001a8c0@succubus> References: <000701c77d2b$82144260$1001a8c0@succubus> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: OT: VST plugin to do balance/pan function Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 21:12:30 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69532 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 19:12:36 +0000 (UTC) On 12 apr 2007, at 19.53, Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill wrote: > I need a pan/balance thing to put in my signal chain in Live in =20 > front of > Mobius. It should be a stereo in/stereo out VST and do the following: > > It should be basically a dual mono in/stereo out thing with pan =20 > functions in > each input and one dial controlling them. If the dial is centered, =20 > the pan > settings should be left for the left input and right for the right =20 > input. If > you turn the dial to the left, the right channel's pan setting =20 > should be > turned to the left, if you turn the dial to the right, the left =20 > channel's > pan setting should be turned to the right. > > And perhaps different settings for level compensation. > > Is something like this available? > > Rainer Hi Rainer, If you are using Live 6+ you may be able to set it up with the =20 Utility plug-in in combination with a Rack. By using the RAck you can =20= assign a MIDI controller to several targets and from version 6 the =20 Utility plug-in has some enhanced functionality. Here's a quote from =20 the Live 6 manual on the Utility plug-in: > The Channel Mode chooser allows selective processing of the left =20 > and right channels of a > sample. If, for example, Left is selected, the right channel is =20 > ignored and the left channel > appears on both outputs. This is especially useful if you have a =20 > stereo _le that contains > different information on both channels and you want to use only one. > The Panorama chooser pans the signal anywhere in the stereo _eld. =20 > Its main purpose is to > individually pan an Instrument or Effect Rack=92s parallel device =20 > chains. > The Width control acts as a continuous mono to stereo controller =20 > when set from 0 to 100 > percent. However, beyond 100 percent the output starts to _fold in_ =20= > on itself. At 200 > percent the output contains only the difference between the left =20 > and right channels. If either Left or Right have been chosen in no =20 > function and is therefore disabled. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) http://tinyurl.com/2kek7h (CC donationware music releases) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 12 20:14:32 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5E8833BF32; Thu, 12 Apr 2007 20:14:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=hMjepl+LrSGlWseVOcDY8s1sUckemL8FZrgHe+LeQm5yDC852JzAMrPGG97ZIQERE993tzXUzDW3lJ3lA/8eW4mP4zGS22so0cKY+AfOAHAd7n9sEY0CT9T5DMtn1/pLCIuDaLo/1h7qX1IHi5OGkm/VM3jjEt6FeyO2pGkJz7w= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=S/e6rR0xfLjXvFnhMyxOiAdbiJvCcI03Fo0oCl3KN/0BsezuBBStFVDCv2mUl02/rPbD+3rFH0kpSg8xfBtsm0+WSuJw445UVuZSAIIxk1qxMzydhrmaaY/3KwfX21L5C4nq/Esdmo6ODKIXlZVPodh0T43qsQC5wGlXPqc8TFA= Message-ID: Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 21:14:29 +0100 From: Os Sender: expertsleepers@googlemail.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: VST plugin to do balance/pan function In-Reply-To: <000701c77d2b$82144260$1001a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <000701c77d2b$82144260$1001a8c0@succubus> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 76d58161b2d1fe19 Resent-Message-ID: <7O6_OD.A.9JC.oMpHGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69533 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 20:14:32 +0000 (UTC) I could write you one pretty quickly. Do you need it for Mac or Windows? cheers, os. On 12/04/07, Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill wrote: > I need a pan/balance thing to put in my signal chain in Live in front of > Mobius. It should be a stereo in/stereo out VST and do the following: > > It should be basically a dual mono in/stereo out thing with pan functions in > each input and one dial controlling them. If the dial is centered, the pan > settings should be left for the left input and right for the right input. If > you turn the dial to the left, the right channel's pan setting should be > turned to the left, if you turn the dial to the right, the left channel's > pan setting should be turned to the right. > > And perhaps different settings for level compensation. > > Is something like this available? > > Rainer > > -- os@collective.co.uk http://www.collective.co.uk/ http://www.myspace.com/darkroomtheband From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 12 20:31:48 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D34083BF32; Thu, 12 Apr 2007 20:31:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 14:31:46 -0600 Message-Id: <200704122031.l3CKVkDb002116@minds-eye.org> From: "Kevin Cheli-Colando" To: "Loop" Reply-To: kevin@minds-eye.org Subject: OT: CD/DVD Production links X-Mailer: NeoMail 1.25 X-IPAddress: 137.150.33.94 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69534 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 20:31:48 +0000 (UTC) Hi all,I have looked in the archives but I can't find any trace of this thread. Does anyone remember the link to an on-line site that did on demand publishing of CDs/DVDs (as few as one at a time for about $1.75 per unit with an UPC even)? I know this is vague but perhaps someone remembers the discussion and still has the contact info. Thanks in advance, Kevin -- Till now you seriously considered yourself to be the body and to have a form. That is the primal ignorance which is the root cause of all trouble. - Ramana Maharshi (1879-1950) Sound and Vision: http://www.minds-eye.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 12 20:36:57 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2F43B3BF38; Thu, 12 Apr 2007 20:36:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <02d201c77d42$4ededb50$18cbf40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Cc: kevin@minds-eye.org References: <200704122031.l3CKVkDb002116@minds-eye.org> Subject: Re: CD/DVD Production links Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 14:36:53 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Resent-Message-ID: <3b7oJ.A.2uD.ohpHGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69535 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 20:36:56 +0000 (UTC) Kunaki. They are wonderful. I've done three CDs with them already, and plan on another one in two months. They also sell them for you on their website for no additional cost. I think it's $1.60 a CD. http://www.kunaki.com/ Kris ----- Original Message ----- > Hi all,I have looked in the archives but I can't find any trace of this > thread. Does anyone remember the link to an on-line site that did on > demand publishing of CDs/DVDs (as few as one at a time for about $1.75 > per unit with an UPC even)? I know this is vague but perhaps someone > remembers the discussion and still has the contact info. > > Thanks in advance, > > Kevin > > -- > Till now you seriously considered yourself to be the body and to have a > form. That is the primal ignorance which is the root cause of all trouble. > > - Ramana Maharshi (1879-1950) > > Sound and Vision: http://www.minds-eye.org > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 13 00:19:58 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9909D3BF34; Fri, 13 Apr 2007 00:19:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=fwTtnAdMBmna+lBKMekin6QnAw/ONsF6yr0FLYJ6ZbMlJVNr9DBOtGkNAH8j/IxWkwT289xjELMRpK7IbVQni1O3n1ejDGEwX3YgEUhc/oo6kpejYHLslkMLVXeKUU+aSh27SnmEcySq7UfblaqfEYy3QovwzPYgCk8QsoJBYBQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=N1CFbNQxBeWIGHX37Gii87jEhrIDSHuQcgfiP54Lw0RJ1YWC26fJclGzCxnNzvkLB9Vbj2Z/eDjAJQXSHqjhURSzR5iSMXUnkTJSLWjwD05Yqcv2UeYW3GycgqQUIYFqQCa0jnfd5tWddPQDyfcpFd1KPy+pueYFUUZNj0aaYcE= Message-ID: <6f5c10f00704121719p590d771ehd043cd5a074076ad@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 20:19:53 -0400 From: "John K." To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Seeking: reverb/delay pedal w/ MIDI clock sync MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69536 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2007 00:19:58 +0000 (UTC) I'm looking for a guitar pedal that would provide me delays, reverbs and tremolo effects that would easily (like plug-n-play) sync as a slave to a MIDI clock via MIDI IN. Any ideas? I'm trying to avoid lugging around a rack with my rig, which is why I'm looking for a good stomp pedal (or multi-fx pedal) to do this.. Just wondering if anyone had any great experiences doing just this. Thanks in advance!! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 13 05:37:12 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 489F53BF38; Fri, 13 Apr 2007 05:37:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=K2Zk5595MPdO0/Lcxx5A3wTteNbTgD8kYTCN8pfWJW9QtDObC4QkJY6Xt4mjT2FVCa5RZFB4Vxnz9GaZSr2PeROHWV83eujsh4kh/Y2x+enP7BY70RLuhnnYW68Sr3aFJuTs6Sp+pxFrWvouv/2nCGg0RKAN7ODMFRClm+t6EDY=; X-YMail-OSG: 9EwxBYAVM1m6qEaVGI7BQwhFfpsNiY_e3OpruHMmgeMFPxLnRm603GFPUlc6frUC79OrlzXoudZFbjLr6XGCnLrmxWm7fQK_WU_.sZz7wDUuGLbqOopOOf37V_gbJA-- Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 22:37:09 -0700 (PDT) From: John Tidwell Subject: Re: Seeking: reverb/delay pedal w/ MIDI clock sync To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <6f5c10f00704121719p590d771ehd043cd5a074076ad@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <6098.55892.qm@web34805.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69537 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2007 05:37:12 +0000 (UTC) You might want to check out the BOSS GT-8. I know it will sync delays to midi & I think it will also sync tremolo, chorus, & flanger. John --- "John K." wrote: > I'm looking for a guitar pedal that would provide me > delays, reverbs > and tremolo effects that would easily (like > plug-n-play) sync as a > slave to a MIDI clock via MIDI IN. Any ideas? > > I'm trying to avoid lugging around a rack with my > rig, which is why > I'm looking for a good stomp pedal (or multi-fx > pedal) to do this.. > Just wondering if anyone had any great experiences > doing just this. > > Thanks in advance!! > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 13 06:01:06 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 362243BF41; Fri, 13 Apr 2007 06:01:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=HxPibL+lUydOZbAz/x9JK8s07WsWGy6sEWJsz0rm9NSJnJf2SXe337TMrULmrW/gtLD7BFYCpbTpTfAGdLmvjrRZb/DY2GsFsLhOYy4w8lbqQG9BgZtdFv3iN0Z0Z4Oj4XrsVInIpB1TBXhDMUo0eT5RrScAe/QdRrkyWXkm4oQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=uidTPGnVz0FRsF0dCGohYr3ruMofvLnlL8HEHiwUw7fGze116iEJW0ixJRIvP5jv6AsFRD5wIed6viA8PgKQguKkaxz86RBb0TLoobEHd0FkXj/osICCwJeVwKsgWn5aYIdxoZ08gZqj8sd/EUgDC9AX+yZ+lHuPFfuQIkHNTlg= Message-ID: Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 23:01:04 -0700 From: "Doug Wellington" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Seeking: reverb/delay pedal w/ MIDI clock sync In-Reply-To: <6f5c10f00704121719p590d771ehd043cd5a074076ad@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <6f5c10f00704121719p590d771ehd043cd5a074076ad@mail.gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69538 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2007 06:01:06 +0000 (UTC) On 4/12/07, John K. wrote: > I'm looking for a guitar pedal that would provide me delays, reverbs > and tremolo effects that would easily (like plug-n-play) sync as a > slave to a MIDI clock via MIDI IN. Any ideas? I can't help with verb pedals (I use one of the half rack Lexicons), but for midi sync tremolo, delay, rotary, etc, definitely check out the Adrenalinn II. It also has nice amp models and even some drum patterns! http://www.rogerlinndesign.com/products/adrenalinn2.shtml I'm also a big Eventide fan, and they are going to release a couple pedals that should do MIDI sync as well. http://www.eventidestompboxes.com/ Doug From onlineservice@desjardins.com Fri Apr 13 08:28:01 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 22435 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Fri, 13 Apr 2007 08:28:01 UTC Received: from mx.extrapc.pl (mx.extrapc.pl [62.87.244.164]) by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8142C3BF25 for ; Fri, 13 Apr 2007 08:28:00 +0000 (UTC) Received: from User (static-62-123-157-185.atlanet.it [62.123.157.185] (may be forged)) (authenticated bits=0) by mx.extrapc.pl (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l3D2B6qw003109; Fri, 13 Apr 2007 04:11:07 +0200 Message-Id: <200704130211.l3D2B6qw003109@mx.extrapc.pl> From: "Desjardins AccèsD" Subject: IMPORTANT - Customer Service Message Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2007 04.11.19 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1251" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 1 X-MSMail-Priority: High X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Apparently-To: Apparently-To: Apparently-To: Apparently-To: Apparently-To: Apparently-To: Apparently-To: Apparently-To: Apparently-To: Apparently-To: Apparently-To: Apparently-To: Apparently-To: Apparently-To: Apparently-To: Apparently-To: Apparently-To: Apparently-To: Apparently-To: Apparently-To: Apparently-To: Apparently-To: Apparently-To: Apparently-To: Apparently-To: Apparently-To: Apparently-To: Apparently-To: Apparently-To: Apparently-To: Apparently-To: Apparently-To: Apparently-To: Apparently-To: Apparently-To: Apparently-To: Apparently-To: Apparently-To: Apparently-To: Apparently-To: Apparently-To: Apparently-To: Apparently-To: Apparently-To: Apparently-To: Apparently-To: Apparently-To: Apparently-To: Apparently-To: Apparently-To: To: undisclosed-recipients:; Dear Wells Fargo

     

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    From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 13 08:58:05 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B2E0F3BF3E; Fri, 13 Apr 2007 08:58:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: AW: Seeking: reverb/delay pedal w/ MIDI clock sync Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2007 10:58:19 +0200 Organization: Moinlabs Message-ID: <000f01c77da9$e218ce50$1001a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 In-Reply-To: <6f5c10f00704121719p590d771ehd043cd5a074076ad@mail.gmail.com> Thread-Index: Acd9YXh7TdK/XdExThWL6XP6lvAEuQASF93Q X-RZG-AUTH: lUESeo99iNzPL8kuBgLYdKEqUywq9cxqeRA+BtFcSCD5deQ7OIRFMOUXYw== X-RZG-CLASS-ID: mo07 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69539 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2007 08:58:05 +0000 (UTC) TC Electronics G-System > I'm looking for a guitar pedal that would provide me delays, > reverbs and tremolo effects that would easily (like > plug-n-play) sync as a slave to a MIDI clock via MIDI IN. Any ideas? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 13 09:09:47 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C13743BF3E; Fri, 13 Apr 2007 09:09:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: CD/DVD Production links Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2007 11:10:02 +0200 Organization: Moinlabs Message-ID: <001001c77dab$84f1d7b0$1001a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 In-Reply-To: <02d201c77d42$4ededb50$18cbf40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Thread-Index: Acd9QlDI4tQwDt2cQ7uPokT+qGJ1VwAaMBiw X-RZG-AUTH: lUESeo99iNzPL8kuBgLYdKEqUywq9cxqeRA+BtFcSCD5deQ7OIRFMOUXYw== X-RZG-CLASS-ID: mo07 Resent-Message-ID: <9ffFm.A.hWB.bj0HGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69540 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2007 09:09:47 +0000 (UTC) > Kunaki. I don't get this...do you send them the CDs and they print and package them? Or do they do the CDs as well? If so, what kind of CDs are they (CD-Rs?) Rainer From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 13 09:10:52 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D1C7A3BF2E; Fri, 13 Apr 2007 09:10:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: AW: OT: VST plugin to do balance/pan function Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2007 11:11:07 +0200 Organization: Moinlabs Message-ID: <001101c77dab$abdb63f0$1001a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 In-Reply-To: Thread-Index: Acd9Py8ayYFKZfLCRPC65A76w1xPvQAbGX/w X-RZG-AUTH: lUESeo99iNzPL8kuBgLYdKEqUywq9cxqeRA+BtFcSCD5deQ7OIRFMOUXYw== X-RZG-CLASS-ID: mo07 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69541 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2007 09:10:52 +0000 (UTC) Windows. Btw, thanks for playing with me and Daryl last night - that was great fun. Look forward to some recordings ;) Rainer > I could write you one pretty quickly. Do you need it for Mac > or Windows? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 13 12:05:46 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 60FFC3BF43; Fri, 13 Apr 2007 12:05:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: TC Electronic's "Konnekt" series Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2007 14:05:55 +0200 Organization: Moinlabs Message-ID: <000701c77dc4$16e7f1f0$1001a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Thread-Index: Acd9xBat5l9aiuc/RXqcJtOjZwLusg== X-RZG-AUTH: lUESeo99iNzPL8kuBgLYdKEqUywq9cxqeRA+BtFcSCD5deQ7OIRFMOUXYw== X-RZG-CLASS-ID: mo07 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69542 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2007 12:05:46 +0000 (UTC) Has anyone experience with TC Electronic's series of "Konnekt" audio interfaces? This seems to be fighting with both Marian's UCON CX and RME's Fireface 400, being in the same price range as the UCON and considerably cheaper than the Fireface. What sets it apart from both are the integrated effects. Micpres and converters seem to be comparable to the Fireface's (according to talk on gearslutz.com). The only drawback seems to be the smaller number of analogue I/Os (4 each, 2 micpres, compared to 8/8 each for the UCON and the Fireface, with the UCON even throwing in 4 micpres). Any experiences here? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 13 13:54:57 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7690B3BF3F; Fri, 13 Apr 2007 13:54:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <003101c77dd3$4ea95480$d1caf40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <001001c77dab$84f1d7b0$1001a8c0@succubus> Subject: Re: CD/DVD Production links Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2007 07:54:49 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69543 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2007 13:54:57 +0000 (UTC) They do everything. You upload your artwork and music to a program that you download to your computer (you can use tiff files for the graphics and it pulls the music from your CD-R in your CDROM drive), and then use that program to upload everything to their server (take about 2-3 hours). After that point, you can order as many or few CDs as you like - shrink wrapped, bar code, cull color sleeve (2 panel), CD face, and tray card, etc. And they give you a URL to sell the CD...all for $1.60 a CD. I'm going there now to order several more BEMF CDs,. Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Sent: Friday, April 13, 2007 3:10 AM Subject: CD/DVD Production links >> Kunaki. > > I don't get this...do you send them the CDs and they print and package > them? > Or do they do the CDs as well? If so, what kind of CDs are they (CD-Rs?) > > Rainer > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 13 14:26:04 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3F4C73BF3F; Fri, 13 Apr 2007 14:26:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <004601c77dd7$a83932f0$d1caf40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <001001c77dab$84f1d7b0$1001a8c0@succubus> <003101c77dd3$4ea95480$d1caf40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Subject: Re: CD/DVD Production links Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2007 08:25:58 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69544 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2007 14:26:04 +0000 (UTC) The only challenging thing about the system is that they don't provide any templates, just dimensions...and they aren't clear on the no text lines, bleed lines, etc, inside of those dimensions. You have to experiment with your own templates, upload your graphs files to the program, and figure it out visually. But it's not that bad. You can zoom in on an image that shows an actual CD jewel case with you art work in it and see how everything aligns. Then, once you are comfortable with the way your graphics look in the virtual jewel case, you upload it to their server, and you can order one free sample (only 1 ever, not one per unique CD order). That is the key step, because if it looks great when you get it in the mail, save your templates forever and continue to use them. Moreover, I am really happy with the quality and service from this company. I can't thank the original person enough who shared this with us on the list - Samba? Kris ----- Original Message ----- > They do everything. You upload your artwork and music to a program that > you download to your computer (you can use tiff files for the graphics and > it pulls the music from your CD-R in your CDROM drive), and then use that > program to upload everything to their server (take about 2-3 hours). > After that point, you can order as many or few CDs as you like - shrink > wrapped, bar code, cull color sleeve (2 panel), CD face, and tray card, > etc. And they give you a URL to sell the CD...all for $1.60 a CD. I'm > going there now to order several more BEMF CDs,. > > Kris > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" > To: > Sent: Friday, April 13, 2007 3:10 AM > Subject: CD/DVD Production links > > >>> Kunaki. >> >> I don't get this...do you send them the CDs and they print and package >> them? >> Or do they do the CDs as well? If so, what kind of CDs are they (CD-Rs?) >> >> Rainer >> >> > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 13 14:43:52 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5D7D43BF50; Fri, 13 Apr 2007 14:43:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: midifriedchicken@comcast.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Variax/PodliveXT Combo, Might be the ultimate looping source. Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2007 14:43:49 +0000 Message-Id: <041320071443.18846.461F97250008AC940000499E2216549976020A050C07080C0B0A079D00070B0703@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Oct 4 2006) X-Authenticated-Sender: bWlkaWZyaWVkY2hpY2tlbkBjb21jYXN0Lm5ldA== MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_18846_1176475429_0" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69545 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2007 14:43:52 +0000 (UTC) --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_18846_1176475429_0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Forgive me if I sound like an add, but Im so friggin into this thing. I just got a $300 Variax 300 to go with the Floor Pod Live XT. I was already very impressed with the Floor Pod's quality of sounds, but add the Variax, and it becomes a whole new thing. I will say, I've always been a snob. It had to be tubes, and/or very expensive. But, this setup is amazing. I send the signal out to a Mackie board and then out to Mackie 450's. I would put some of the sounds up against the real amp/guitar combos any day. Add to that, acoustic guitar sounds which are very credible. Banjo, Sitar, Resonaters, and you have all you'll need as aguitar player. I just discovered the digital cable to attach the guitar to the pod. Now I can switch entire rigs and guitar combos with my feet, including tunings. Plus with the variax workbench, I can custom create guitars on my laptop. So cool. In looping I've always thought the lack of variation of the tones was a big drawback. So many players try to get sounds through delays and stuff that any $100 keybord can do, but because its on a guitar, it's somehow cool. Like Pat Methenys $500,000 synclavier guitar that sounded like a $5 harmonica. But with this, I can use all guitar sounds and not wear out the sonic pallette. The only thing thats bumming me out is the somewhat limited amount of effects that are available at any one time. But, all in all, its quite the rig. Im planning on having a very fun weekend. MFC... --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_18846_1176475429_0 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
    Forgive me if I sound like an add, but Im so friggin into this thing.
     
    I just got a $300 Variax 300 to go with the Floor Pod Live XT. I was already very impressed with the Floor Pod's quality of sounds, but add the Variax, and it becomes a whole new thing.
     
    I will say, I've always been a snob. It had to be tubes, and/or very expensive. But, this setup is amazing. I send the signal out to a Mackie board and then out to Mackie 450's. I would put some of the sounds up against the real amp/guitar combos any day. Add to that, acoustic guitar sounds which are very credible. Banjo, Sitar, Resonaters, and you have all you'll need as aguitar player.
     
    I just discovered the digital cable to attach the guitar to the pod. Now I can switch entire rigs and guitar combos with my feet, including tunings.  Plus with the variax workbench, I can custom create guitars on my laptop. So cool.
     
    In looping I've always thought the lack of variation of the tones was a big drawback. So many players try to get sounds through delays and stuff that any $100 keybord can do, but because its on a guitar, it's somehow cool. Like Pat Methenys $500,000 synclavier guitar that sounded like a $5 harmonica.
    But with this, I can use all guitar sounds and not wear out the sonic pallette.
     
    The only thing thats bumming me out is the somewhat limited amount of effects that are available at any one time. But, all in all, its quite the rig. Im planning on having a very fun weekend.
     
     
    MFC...
    --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_18846_1176475429_0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 13 15:06:05 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6BB723BF59; Fri, 13 Apr 2007 15:06:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-SBRS: None X-SenderGroup: RELAYLIST X-MailFlowPolicy: $RELAYED X-MID: 685984018 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C77DDD.4082458B" Subject: RE: VST plugin to do balance/pan function Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2007 16:02:41 +0100 Message-ID: <1BB076E4C332F9469148F41725F17A720204DDF1@MTVNE-EXCLUST02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: VST plugin to do balance/pan function Thread-Index: Acd93MiolbX8ce9eQ6mSF73IxJxdrw== References: <000701c77d2b$82144260$1001a8c0@succubus> From: "Goddard, Duncan" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Apr 2007 15:06:03.0035 (UTC) FILETIME=[40B756B0:01C77DDD] Resent-Message-ID: <5uE3ID.A.JTG.dx5HGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69546 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2007 15:06:05 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C77DDD.4082458B Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable >>I need a pan/balance thing to put in my signal chain in Live in front = of Mobius. It should be a stereo in/stereo out VST and do the following: It should be basically a dual mono in/stereo out thing with pan = functions in each input and one dial controlling them. If the dial is centered, the = pan settings should be left for the left input and right for the right = input. If you turn the dial to the left, the right channel's pan setting should be turned to the left, if you turn the dial to the right, the left = channel's pan setting should be turned to the right. And perhaps different settings for level compensation.<< I have a set of vst plug-ins that I use within vegas 5 to achieve stereo = spread & mono>stereo conversion; they also have level & balance controls = & a nice goniometer display. I had to pay a few bucks for them, but it = was worth it.... they are from PSP: www.pspaudioware.com hth- duncan. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C77DDD.4082458B Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: VST plugin to do balance/pan function

    >>I need a pan/balance thing to put in my signal = chain in Live in front of
    Mobius. It should be a stereo in/stereo out VST and do the = following:

    It should be basically a dual mono in/stereo out thing with pan = functions in
    each input and one dial controlling them. If the dial is centered, the = pan
    settings should be left for the left input and right for the right = input. If
    you turn the dial to the left, the right channel's pan setting should = be
    turned to the left, if you turn the dial to the right, the left = channel's
    pan setting should be turned to the right.

    And perhaps different settings for level compensation.<<

    I have a set of vst plug-ins that I use within vegas 5 to achieve stereo = spread & mono>stereo conversion; they also have level & = balance controls & a nice goniometer display. I had to pay a few = bucks for them, but it was worth it.... they are from PSP:

    www.pspaudioware.com

    hth-
    duncan.

    ------_=_NextPart_001_01C77DDD.4082458B-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 13 15:19:14 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 982A93BF64; Fri, 13 Apr 2007 15:19:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=LfnhC7QGRwCFc4JP+4SUGaqKp9tO3toCkxvir7ykVJztJ85Cyw3rnYLc3adG43fcLeg7Whx11aZi5/Cez3kGcV7nPeDna340Lld+aDdONXE52zS4Ye1B9aVJXwYgYEWJRtFIQPIroPa3HewM9phpcts/Tvrvch+gl+ffeoQJwgk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=e0QOa/1sd/UIzttJL1cpOMmE+LIe9mZM7mvEt3E9ZuaGoZKl2mWFzzZFyOJPOQgKEpyFoy65mPWUWUJozuqNP6zJvlWr3073IGK9C0K9vp6TjmIPC9MVk2WXbzWcBgvUU2EhqbTuByAS4Z8QOXHMXitlSfZFhVbSg4RvBMgcWQM= Message-ID: <588ce11d0704130819wd7113d4wb7038897230089e1@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2007 08:19:11 -0700 From: "Art Simon" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: VST plugin to do balance/pan function In-Reply-To: <1BB076E4C332F9469148F41725F17A720204DDF1@MTVNE-EXCLUST02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <000701c77d2b$82144260$1001a8c0@succubus> <1BB076E4C332F9469148F41725F17A720204DDF1@MTVNE-EXCLUST02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> Resent-Message-ID: <-oh2_D.A.u8G.y95HGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69547 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2007 15:19:14 +0000 (UTC) It might be overkill, but these Free VST mixers should work. Haven't tried them myself: http://www.kvraudio.com/get/693.html http://www.kvraudio.com/get/2613.html On 4/13/07, Goddard, Duncan wrote: > >>I need a pan/balance thing to put in my signal chain in Live in front of > Mobius. It should be a stereo in/stereo out VST and do the following: > > It should be basically a dual mono in/stereo out thing with pan functions > in > each input and one dial controlling them. If the dial is centered, the pan > settings should be left for the left input and right for the right input. > If > you turn the dial to the left, the right channel's pan setting should be > turned to the left, if you turn the dial to the right, the left channel's > pan setting should be turned to the right. > > And perhaps different settings for level compensation.<< -- Art Simon simart@null.net http://art.simon.tripod.com http://www.myspace.com/artsimon From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 13 16:33:41 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 142743BF6D; Fri, 13 Apr 2007 16:33:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <64b81a780612101527x57128d29l34986b38f97731fc@mail.gmail.com> References: <45703BB4.7060505@soundscapes.us> <45757FBC.1030603@zwieble.com> <64b81a780612051224x25ed25d8g6399084b9a530757@mail.gmail.com> <4576E4AE.2000600@zwieble.com> <14116828.1165475281548.JavaMail.root@m23> <457BF853.5020609@soundscapes.us> <457C3A16.5060402@zwieble.com> <64b81a780612101527x57128d29l34986b38f97731fc@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2007 13:33:25 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: Email filters Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Apr 2007 16:33:37.0623 (UTC) FILETIME=[7CB1D670:01C77DE9] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69548 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2007 16:33:41 +0000 (UTC) I am just moving to Gmail due to its fantastic spam filter but it does not have the X-Loop option for filter, just From, To, Subject suggestions? > >Note that the X-Loop field isn't just Bill's stuff, it's all of the >Looper's Delight list. For whatever reason, it seems that most folks >don't know that it's there. Maybe a blurb on the LD website would be >appropriate. (Though, for all I know it may already be mentioned on >the LD site.) > >Todd > >On 12/10/06, Sean Onion wrote: >>Thanks Bill. I was tripped up reading the solution offered at first; >>that is, add the field "X-Looper" to the filter and put >>"Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" in that field. I honestly thought >>that X-Looper was some secret code for this discussion thread! 20 years >>in IT and I'm still learning... Anyway, you might want to put together >>a blurb or disclaimer on your messages that explain the whole BCC and >>X-Loopers solution for filtering your emails; that would leave you the >>freedom of changing subject and content without anyone losing your >>emails. My original boggle was that it looked like something I want to >>see (I do) and my spam routines identified it as junk. Thanks, BTW, for >>the excellent broadcasts! >>Sean >> >>Bill Fox wrote: >>> Perhaps some of the problem with the messages I send is because >>> (1) Loopers Delight is in my address book's list called "EM Playlist >>> Distribution." >>> (2) I send playlists to the "EM Playlist Distribution" list as blind >>> copies (Bcc:) in order to preserve individuals' identities, which >>> means that Loopers is not in the To: field. >>> >>> Thunderbird ought to help you filter stuff well enough for the results >>> you desire. To aid that, I *always* format the Subject: field of my >>> playlists to allow filtering in case a Loopers member wants to can my >>> stuff. The Subject: field ALWAYS starts out: >>> "Galactic Travels Playlist for" with the rest varying according to the >>> date and show number. Plus, there should be plenty of non-changing >>> content in the playlists to help you filter them out. >>> >>> Cheers, >>> >>> Bill >>> >>> >>> >>> -- ---> http://www.matthiasgrob.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 13 16:35:05 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7E8813BF6F; Fri, 13 Apr 2007 16:35:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <724357097.1176482100598.JavaMail.root@fepweb03> Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2007 9:35:00 -0700 From: =?utf-8?Q?tEd_=C2=AE_kiLLiAn?= To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: DAVID TORNS NEW ECM CD "PREZENS" IS AVAILABLE FOR PRE-ORDER MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Sensitivity: Normal X-Originating-IP: from 66.169.252.252 by mail.charter.net; Fri, 13 Apr 2007 12:35:00 -0400 X-Chzlrs: 0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69549 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2007 16:35:05 +0000 (UTC) Hey all you loopy folks! I just thought I'd make mention that one of our better known (if infrequent= , in recent years) posters, David Torn, has a new ECM recording coming out in the next few day= s and it's available=20 for pre-order at Amazon.co for only $12.97. Being the rabid fan that I a've= already I paid for mine=20 -- and I think that's a pretty darn good price for an ECM release (my favor= ite lable, bar none).=20 Just thought I'd post to the list in support of DT's continuing artistic ou= tput. I hear tell, that=20 he may even try to tour a bit. Whoa! Just thought I'd let everyone know (if= you don't already). Cheers, tEd =C2=AE kiLLiAn "Different is not always better, but better is always different" Flux Aeterna: http://phobos.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewAlbum?p= layListId=3D6378076=20 http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073 http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314 http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193 http://www.loopers-delight.com/cgi-bin/profiles.cgi?step=3Dview_profile&id= =3D121197000042 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So??? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 13 17:24:26 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DF58E3BF66; Fri, 13 Apr 2007 17:24:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=qVjVchVQCpZ5SFGY29Z5tKTINAbVEWhnN9ISGSmkc46+9ZBdmk15RXGlBUU0QBiz6DMqEPWW3Fy9HQRv59wW/jHLUT+CxegQFhea3z7Sf/xRR95GbLGwZue1IFedLVHJP1bH26rJovFEWmAYfQCtGGztjNo/a5auFvxv1BxXoWM= ; Message-ID: <20070413172424.43194.qmail@web81315.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: hIVpv7IVM1m28Q8wA1IFQ5DSDGKAbo3hVgHpcxeL88fOIx_ztkuIr07ULaMVlDbnKB.zeRiV3NzN.DdmO47Ad1DHLEBpOTGQuWpv.0TfZZ9AGdwto3lpzb3QG39yUA-- Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2007 10:24:24 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Mark be gone... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69550 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2007 17:24:26 +0000 (UTC) Hey kids, About to move across the bay so I'm going to unsubscribe for a bit to quiet my life a little so I can focus on the task at hand. I should be back in a few months.. until then, CHEERIO. If you need to contact me, this email is fine, I'll still check it. Mark __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 13 17:37:33 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5842D3BF62; Fri, 13 Apr 2007 17:37:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <461FBFD3.4030504@mhorse.com> Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2007 12:37:23 -0500 From: Daryl Shawn User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.10 (Windows/20070221) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: DAVID TORNS NEW ECM CD "PREZENS" IS AVAILABLE FOR PRE-ORDER References: <724357097.1176482100598.JavaMail.root@fepweb03> In-Reply-To: <724357097.1176482100598.JavaMail.root@fepweb03> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69551 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2007 17:37:33 +0000 (UTC) thanks Ted - I'm on it!! Just wanted to remind people that, if you're going to buy from Amazon, to use the link from the LD front page, there's a kickback that helps offset Kim's costs for running this. here 'tis, also: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home/loopersdelight Daryl Shawn www.swanwelder.com www.chinapaintingmusic.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 13 18:10:33 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C81C93BF64; Fri, 13 Apr 2007 18:10:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Subject: RE: CD/DVD Production links Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2007 13:10:22 -0500 Message-ID: <754FACAF985AF346A216CAE674CA22A602D07D@es002.WSI-MAIN.COM> In-Reply-To: <004601c77dd7$a83932f0$d1caf40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: CD/DVD Production links Thread-Index: Acd916suVW69EmdnRHWTd1zochtKYQAHz8OA From: "Jim Bailey" To: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69552 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2007 18:10:33 +0000 (UTC) Sorry, I came in late on this discussion. Can somebody repost the URL to the company you are talking about here? Thanks Jim -----Original Message----- From: Krispen Hartung [mailto:khartung@cableone.net]=20 Sent: Friday, April 13, 2007 9:26 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: CD/DVD Production links The only challenging thing about the system is that they don't provide any=20 templates, just dimensions...and they aren't clear on the no text lines, bleed lines, etc, inside of those dimensions. You have to experiment with=20 your own templates, upload your graphs files to the program, and figure it=20 out visually. But it's not that bad. You can zoom in on an image that shows=20 an actual CD jewel case with you art work in it and see how everything=20 aligns. Then, once you are comfortable with the way your graphics look in the=20 virtual jewel case, you upload it to their server, and you can order one free sample (only 1 ever, not one per unique CD order). That is the key step, because if it looks great when you get it in the mail, save your=20 templates forever and continue to use them. Moreover, I am really happy with the quality and service from this company.=20 I can't thank the original person enough who shared this with us on the=20 list - Samba? Kris ----- Original Message -----=20 > They do everything. You upload your artwork and music to a program=20 > that > you download to your computer (you can use tiff files for the graphics and=20 > it pulls the music from your CD-R in your CDROM drive), and then use that=20 > program to upload everything to their server (take about 2-3 hours).=20 > After that point, you can order as many or few CDs as you like - shrink=20 > wrapped, bar code, cull color sleeve (2 panel), CD face, and tray card,=20 > etc. And they give you a URL to sell the CD...all for $1.60 a CD. I'm=20 > going there now to order several more BEMF CDs,. > > Kris > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" > To: > Sent: Friday, April 13, 2007 3:10 AM > Subject: CD/DVD Production links > > >>> Kunaki. >> >> I don't get this...do you send them the CDs and they print and=20 >> package >> them? >> Or do they do the CDs as well? If so, what kind of CDs are they (CD-Rs?) >> >> Rainer >> >> > > >=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 13 18:13:34 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0928B3BF6B; Fri, 13 Apr 2007 18:13:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <009b01c77df7$70e83a10$d1caf40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <754FACAF985AF346A216CAE674CA22A602D07D@es002.WSI-MAIN.COM> Subject: Re: CD/DVD Production links Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2007 12:13:29 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Resent-Message-ID: <_2gk-B.A.YYH.Nh8HGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69553 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2007 18:13:33 +0000 (UTC) http://www.kunaki.com/ ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Friday, April 13, 2007 12:10 PM Subject: RE: CD/DVD Production links Sorry, I came in late on this discussion. Can somebody repost the URL to the company you are talking about here? Thanks Jim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 13 18:51:23 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E4C6F3BF10; Fri, 13 Apr 2007 18:51:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=hIbkOrGBRE82OgUPu1SMXMNAclUPrtWKUCbKmgXTa2OlPOiF+FfPCJ1zeoZtSSIoy1iQN/2oOh4Hk/I3bobbXMHsw5VzV80LY83DDzvhx8e8efUhEKeA3hzP939vffXPA1l9ljNHnznhB5riSzxFhaSTtPqPlRMsOlk9ih3pCCY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=mki8g3eqaJHpIllE0GI6Dsp72dgjmTYoi6iETAts21PeYym0DRUkq6CTeBphjov9vkarbc/nYAfWDfslSVqKWybWaPpj9SqmZFaWlzH1aKfHGlIIgy/lyfUzfMMcYzX19WSDH5VG7xnHXFiUP3sHzDxzhp1NDZGEkct2zZj46sQ= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <461FBFD3.4030504@mhorse.com> References: <724357097.1176482100598.JavaMail.root@fepweb03> <461FBFD3.4030504@mhorse.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: DAVID TORNS NEW ECM CD "PREZENS" IS AVAILABLE FOR PRE-ORDER Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2007 20:51:17 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: <-Xm6TC.A.4GB.rE9HGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69554 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2007 18:51:23 +0000 (UTC) On 13 apr 2007, at 19.37, Daryl Shawn wrote: > thanks Ted - I'm on it!! > > Just wanted to remind people that, if you're going to buy from > Amazon, to use the link from the LD front page, there's a kickback > that helps offset Kim's costs for running this. > > here 'tis, also: > > http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home/loopersdelight Good idea! I think I'd like to buy it on iTunes in the 256 kbps AAC format. I wonder when they will get that new thing working? Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) http://tinyurl.com/2kek7h (CC donationware music releases) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 13 22:18:48 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 049D23BF5D; Fri, 13 Apr 2007 22:18:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <007b01c77e19$ce8cbac0$16b2a8c0@netzrechner> Reply-To: "Tilmann Dehnhard" From: "Tilmann Dehnhard" To: References: <754FACAF985AF346A216CAE674CA22A602D07D@es002.WSI-MAIN.COM> <009b01c77df7$70e83a10$d1caf40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Subject: Re: CD/DVD Production links Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2007 00:19:29 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX188qQa9t9Ws3tGmWY4FvxAuN+YOrZNcTIZUd7N pPeEsytWOrwKc9RSAZobb3xF7qbaXPmTflprWv4GbZpCHgqN6X BWJc0ebspBYTFDBjZ/yvnDfQPdlvJWi Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69555 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2007 22:18:47 +0000 (UTC) just tried todownload kunaki's cd design prog and got a warning from my anti virus program...when i tried to downlaod it again, i got: download not possible, data not found did this happen to anyone else? tilmann ----- Original Message ----- From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Sent: Friday, April 13, 2007 8:13 PM Subject: Re: CD/DVD Production links > http://www.kunaki.com/ > > ----- Original Message ----- > Sent: Friday, April 13, 2007 12:10 PM > Subject: RE: CD/DVD Production links > > > Sorry, I came in late on this discussion. Can somebody repost the URL > to the company you are talking about here? > > Thanks > > Jim > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 13 22:25:32 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 925AB3BF66; Fri, 13 Apr 2007 22:25:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <00fa01c77e1a$a409e5b0$d1caf40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <754FACAF985AF346A216CAE674CA22A602D07D@es002.WSI-MAIN.COM> <009b01c77df7$70e83a10$d1caf40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <007b01c77e19$ce8cbac0$16b2a8c0@netzrechner> Subject: Re: CD/DVD Production links Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2007 16:25:27 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69556 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2007 22:25:32 +0000 (UTC) I just tried and it worked fine. http://kunaki.com/Kunaki_CD-DVD_Publishing_Service.exe Did you right click on the link (PC) and save as? It's a tiny little executable (80KB). Do you want me to send to you? Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tilmann Dehnhard" To: Sent: Friday, April 13, 2007 4:19 PM Subject: Re: CD/DVD Production links > just tried todownload kunaki's cd design prog and got a warning from my > anti virus program...when i tried to downlaod it again, i got: download > not possible, data not found > > did this happen to anyone else? > > tilmann > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Krispen Hartung" > To: > Sent: Friday, April 13, 2007 8:13 PM > Subject: Re: CD/DVD Production links > > >> http://www.kunaki.com/ >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> Sent: Friday, April 13, 2007 12:10 PM >> Subject: RE: CD/DVD Production links >> >> >> Sorry, I came in late on this discussion. Can somebody repost the URL >> to the company you are talking about here? >> >> Thanks >> >> Jim >> >> >> > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 13 22:49:17 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1175D3BF6C; Fri, 13 Apr 2007 22:49:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-YMail-OSG: lYh8b6cVM1myVXkcrOAvmAReFt4UyMqeoFMBVk0afXvmKlTnferQfvWrddndzMGwC5ZB3C8.fl0EVxlvxH2GnDOp5CJTjeco1MFBzN8fKv0Zq6j53rI- Message-ID: <001301c77e1d$e2297e70$4101a8c0@MICHAELPLISHKA> From: "Michael Plishka" To: References: <754FACAF985AF346A216CAE674CA22A602D07D@es002.WSI-MAIN.COM> <009b01c77df7$70e83a10$d1caf40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <007b01c77e19$ce8cbac0$16b2a8c0@netzrechner> Subject: Re: CD/DVD Production links Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2007 17:48:32 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69557 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2007 22:49:17 +0000 (UTC) Nope, it worked for me! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tilmann Dehnhard" To: Sent: Friday, April 13, 2007 5:19 PM Subject: Re: CD/DVD Production links > just tried todownload kunaki's cd design prog and got a warning from my > anti virus program...when i tried to downlaod it again, i got: download > not possible, data not found > > did this happen to anyone else? > > tilmann > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Krispen Hartung" > To: > Sent: Friday, April 13, 2007 8:13 PM > Subject: Re: CD/DVD Production links > > >> http://www.kunaki.com/ >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> Sent: Friday, April 13, 2007 12:10 PM >> Subject: RE: CD/DVD Production links >> >> >> Sorry, I came in late on this discussion. Can somebody repost the URL >> to the company you are talking about here? >> >> Thanks >> >> Jim >> >> >> > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 13 23:46:45 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 76A163BF65; Fri, 13 Apr 2007 23:46:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=SdshmloXOorRUulyGoiWuFBl1iGxv8tLJP3/SKFE3Do+H1tSL1DSUkpoGF0hgIIVoSKrf834jgG/nNFEwn7TgflT5J9LRB7sgqUODbaiBUiEwlMvAMz2vs1gUyTRDXm+b9X0vQ0LZqfNY2Xki/gIYK1YHqd0AHzeZyAY3E1Uu7M= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=DKBtj3M2m9/vPaVPUSbDpv5M34iChF4dmUR28RHQ7l9e3IGs15FOOwd6dEjGKQGbH28022CJ0PlrMdxyBlO14/KvejH44COJo+JFtMv9+KNOqu/sBDp6e6x232oFtR0BVS+uneFKg+AsszlNepGQNyBTNFTX9O5WhH8YTbEZu20= Message-ID: <588ce11d0704131646s5a2f27eel2ae7f34c2d206cdb@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2007 16:46:43 -0700 From: "Art Simon" To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Subject: I think some of you guys are going to love this--a computer built into a guitar amp MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: <7m801.A.WOH.lZBIGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69558 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2007 23:46:45 +0000 (UTC) I tried to build a "one box" music computer where I could plug my guitar in straight into the computer. Ultimately, I failed, the noise from computer made the internal preamp unusable. This project goes one better--a guy modded an old guitar amp and installed a computer inside it. It's a couple years old, I can't believe I didn't find it until today. http://www.bit-tech.net/modding/2005/11/01/Creative_X-fi_Music_/1.html I'm salivating, boy I'd love one of these. -- Art Simon simart@null.net http://art.simon.tripod.com http://www.myspace.com/artsimon From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Apr 14 00:03:22 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 784C23BF74; Sat, 14 Apr 2007 00:03:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=FcBCKWwDRtba9/ApkIZ4QmRqK3+yZwFeC3aa6d0VToAKpryP31zwtBX5rYmj0gs/FXLyaPTqK7IoxN5qhPi8hLGbPJEMUuGLWOR0hxADXW6bB75oBMVdJV6ogxvC2HWu8sW9tBVJcjf1N6sV+4XBQy2o0nCLgX2Lf9l0mjNW8So= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=gDBlRqZzhioz8u0sl0ZHPFXldIedoJ6SpBpj/aYZylj8xmU7pM9AL0nmZNEeBikul2W0AkNZns3s5pCtdLiN0JsC9BlHElpW6pyTGYX5UNxbC/MxOc+ey5Jnus1fMAg0v7WL8IuANPHV3TvfKINWfzhxPbmMjpJUzwAslnA+Jks= Message-ID: <588ce11d0704131703i1fdf8431oe2c1eca3692d776e@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2007 17:03:20 -0700 From: "Art Simon" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: CD/DVD Production links In-Reply-To: <001301c77e1d$e2297e70$4101a8c0@MICHAELPLISHKA> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <754FACAF985AF346A216CAE674CA22A602D07D@es002.WSI-MAIN.COM> <009b01c77df7$70e83a10$d1caf40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <007b01c77e19$ce8cbac0$16b2a8c0@netzrechner> <001301c77e1d$e2297e70$4101a8c0@MICHAELPLISHKA> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69559 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2007 00:03:22 +0000 (UTC) I got a virus warning as well. I'm running AntiVir. I just clicked on "ignore." On 4/13/07, Michael Plishka wrote: > Nope, it worked for me! > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tilmann Dehnhard" > To: > Sent: Friday, April 13, 2007 5:19 PM > Subject: Re: CD/DVD Production links > > > > just tried todownload kunaki's cd design prog and got a warning from my > > anti virus program...when i tried to downlaod it again, i got: download > > not possible, data not found > > > > did this happen to anyone else? > > > > tilmann -- Art Simon simart@null.net http://art.simon.tripod.com http://www.myspace.com/artsimon From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Apr 14 00:12:19 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 562F33BF62; Sat, 14 Apr 2007 00:12:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=e9QALe/sOKm1OZQb1sXi5rNezPbBUFpt8sJQ3/CKqQWq/IKgvrlqjleXJiyQ0ptxTXGpq08ETS+I8bfVsWal70wo9jwuiCJXID+no3QLwG1hAl3TC+wALT8LC82ltUrlEY7Via2D67QU69rTNAYRyIXnwBEuXCMcGiQdziAxW0Y= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=MCpfypUHnmFfecFspCtrhlGd6DaZb2yJZCZ/iHdAvlIHFzTjzA8QVM1iz5UxXpB51l45Tve1wYma08tkjHftur06tdOzLOXMiB9eo/p+faHlASElASDz/qW/0oL7dLM2tLHIPzVpGwPE0fTHwyAG2Hl8zTQIuCUJdsuzWVbesiU= Message-ID: <588ce11d0704131712u75fdbb13q798dc31ae41435dd@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2007 17:12:18 -0700 From: "Art Simon" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: CD/DVD Production links In-Reply-To: <588ce11d0704131703i1fdf8431oe2c1eca3692d776e@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <754FACAF985AF346A216CAE674CA22A602D07D@es002.WSI-MAIN.COM> <009b01c77df7$70e83a10$d1caf40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <007b01c77e19$ce8cbac0$16b2a8c0@netzrechner> <001301c77e1d$e2297e70$4101a8c0@MICHAELPLISHKA> <588ce11d0704131703i1fdf8431oe2c1eca3692d776e@mail.gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: <-S6qPD.A.7h.ixBIGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69560 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2007 00:12:19 +0000 (UTC) Oops, AntiVir really doesn't like it. I had to give up. Maybe I need a different AntiVirus program. On 4/13/07, Art Simon wrote: > I got a virus warning as well. I'm running AntiVir. I just clicked on "ignore." > > On 4/13/07, Michael Plishka wrote: > > Nope, it worked for me! > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Tilmann Dehnhard" > > To: > > Sent: Friday, April 13, 2007 5:19 PM > > Subject: Re: CD/DVD Production links > > > > > > > just tried todownload kunaki's cd design prog and got a warning from my > > > anti virus program...when i tried to downlaod it again, i got: download > > > not possible, data not found > > > > > > did this happen to anyone else? > > > > > > tilmann > > > -- > Art Simon > simart@null.net > http://art.simon.tripod.com > http://www.myspace.com/artsimon > -- Art Simon simart@null.net http://art.simon.tripod.com http://www.myspace.com/artsimon From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Apr 14 00:19:06 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 441483BF74; Sat, 14 Apr 2007 00:19:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: <831356.36245.qm@web26215.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> References: <831356.36245.qm@web26215.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-42-634244601 Message-Id: From: Ronan Chris Murphy Subject: Re: Mastering music Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2007 17:19:00 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69561 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2007 00:19:06 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-42-634244601 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; delsp=yes; format=flowed Just a quick note about mastering in relationship to this thread. =20 Mastering is really that last creative step in the recording process. =20= It is not really an effect, but a part of the process. Sometimes =20 mastering involves doing nothing, other times it involves =20 compression, limiting, EQ and on rare occasions a few other things. These days it is very common to use some sort of extreme limiting to =20 get the final levels louder (L1, L2, Finalizers, etc), but many times =20= a sense of presence or bigness comes from judicious EQ; and often =20 more cutting than boosting. If you are going to be using extreme limiting be cautious. At first =20 it can be a little exciting but if overused can sometimes hurt some =20 of the natural dynamics and change of texture that makes so much =20 looping music interesting. Ronan Chris Murphy www.venetowest.com (Production & mixing: King Crimson, Chucho Valdes, =20= Steve Morse, Terry Bozzio, CGT...) www.homerecordingbootcamp.com (Workshops around the world teaching =20 the art and craft of recording ) www.livesofthesaints.net (The hottest ambient noise duo since Sonny & =20= Cher) On Apr 8, 2007, at 1:36 PM, rune fagereng wrote: > Thanks ! > > Rune F. > > --- Stefan Tiedje skrev: > >> Richard Sales schrieb: >>> I use an antique version of the Ultramaximizer- >> the L1 - and it works >>> well if you don't over do it. I've gotten good >> comments on my mastering. >>> Hah! It makes me chuckle. >> >> Ha, I started my mastering jobs with the L1 and >> Sounddesigner, later >> Peak, and never changed the plug-in... >> All clients had been happy so far... >> >> Might be all you need... >> >> I would not do it in Ableton-Live, sounds like more >> hassle than a >> dedicated editor.... >> >> Stefan >> >> --=20 >> Stefan Tiedje------------x------- >> --_____-----------|-------------- >> --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()------- >> -- _|_)----|-----()-------------- >> ----------()--------www.ccmix.com >> >> > > > www.runefagereng.com > www.myspace.com/runefagereng > www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DbOHN4az59A0 > Mail:rune_fagereng@yahoo.no > Mob: 917 95 867 > > > =09 > =09 > =09 > _________________________________________________________ > Alt i =E9n. F=E5 Yahoo! Mail med adressekartotek, kalender og > notisblokk. http://no.mail.yahoo.com > > --Apple-Mail-42-634244601 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1
    Just a quick note about = mastering in relationship to this thread. Mastering is really that last = creative step in the recording process. It is not really an effect, but = a part of the process. Sometimes mastering involves doing nothing, other = times it involves compression, limiting, EQ and on rare occasions a few = other things.

    These days it is very = common to use some sort of extreme limiting to get the final levels = louder (L1, L2, Finalizers, etc), but many times a sense of=A0presence = or bigness comes from judicious EQ; and often more cutting than = boosting.

    If = you are going to be using extreme limiting be cautious. At first it can = be a little exciting but if overused can sometimes hurt some of the = natural dynamics and change of texture that makes so much looping music = interesting.

    Ronan Chris Murphy

    www.venetowest.com (Production & mixing: King = Crimson, Chucho Valdes, Steve Morse, Terry Bozzio, CGT...)

    www.homerecordingbootcamp.com (Workshops around the world teaching = the art and craft of recording )

    www.livesofthesaints.net (The hottest ambient = noise duo since Sonny & Cher)


    On Apr = 8, 2007, at 1:36 PM, rune fagereng wrote:

    Thanks !

    Rune F.

    --- = Stefan Tiedje <Stefan-Tiedje@addcom.de> = skrev:

    =
    Richard Sales = schrieb:
    I use an = antique version of the Ultramaximizer-
    the L1 - and it works=A0
    well if you don't over do it. = I've gotten good
    comments on = my mastering.=A0
    =
    Hah! It makes me = chuckle.
    Ha, I started my mastering jobs = with the L1 and
    Sounddesigner, later=A0
    Peak, = and never changed the plug-in...
    All clients = had been happy so far...

    Might be all you = need...

    I would not do it in Ableton-Live, sounds like = more
    hassle than a=A0
    Stefan

    --=A0
    Stefan = Tiedje------------x-------
    --(_|_ = ----|\-----|-----()-------
    -- = _|_)----|-----()--------------


    =


    =A0
    Mob: 917 95 867





    Alt i =E9n. F=E5 Yahoo! Mail med adressekartotek, = kalender og



    = --Apple-Mail-42-634244601-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Apr 14 00:51:44 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 607503BF71; Sat, 14 Apr 2007 00:51:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=WXfx7Pxphm4GNbBp/MBVp8Mro4DMn2hJk0NghWceb9Z51oOGwi9buIAReoTqtoa939hnslMmrOkZkTqhEHnBCS2jglPqNWKn1zrXGJvTpsj3xaQG3frL6KAVAgXpxhoDrvonL1Ea3TXGzhzJ+TeG59fsFagYQOrhXVg9kmbFCTk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=bmdCyqeluJZ3VV7GgkoEIi/4wFxI1JhKfiHYHg9b1pj45WqYKiMEapXiL7Bw/1GyYOtWGcdTyJWMa+YvQbcV54W4vj6yXP9it8Pcd/NUTUqZdrsvvEG9wJdAkLFCpdlGenkhVtr2bOsuWyp1P0QwcRS4m4pow8DE6kPTdUkzZMA= Message-ID: <64b81a780704131751v14382b4fpe5105d7e45635b69@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2007 20:51:42 -0400 From: "Todd Pafford" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Email filters In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_14870_4822262.1176511902154" References: <45703BB4.7060505@soundscapes.us> <45757FBC.1030603@zwieble.com> <64b81a780612051224x25ed25d8g6399084b9a530757@mail.gmail.com> <4576E4AE.2000600@zwieble.com> <14116828.1165475281548.JavaMail.root@m23> <457BF853.5020609@soundscapes.us> <457C3A16.5060402@zwieble.com> <64b81a780612101527x57128d29l34986b38f97731fc@mail.gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69562 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2007 00:51:44 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_14870_4822262.1176511902154 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Matthias, I just add "loopers-delight.com" to the filter field "Has the words". Works fine for me. But to answer your question, no, it doesn't seem to allow you to define a filter on the X-Loop header. Todd On 4/13/07, Matthias Grob wrote: > > I am just moving to Gmail due to its fantastic spam filter > > but it does not have the X-Loop option for filter, just From, To, Subject > > suggestions? > > > > >Note that the X-Loop field isn't just Bill's stuff, it's all of the > >Looper's Delight list. For whatever reason, it seems that most folks > >don't know that it's there. Maybe a blurb on the LD website would be > >appropriate. (Though, for all I know it may already be mentioned on > >the LD site.) > > > >Todd > > > >On 12/10/06, Sean Onion wrote: > >>Thanks Bill. I was tripped up reading the solution offered at first; > >>that is, add the field "X-Looper" to the filter and put > >>"Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" in that field. I honestly thought > >>that X-Looper was some secret code for this discussion thread! 20 years > >>in IT and I'm still learning... Anyway, you might want to put together > >>a blurb or disclaimer on your messages that explain the whole BCC and > >>X-Loopers solution for filtering your emails; that would leave you the > >>freedom of changing subject and content without anyone losing your > >>emails. My original boggle was that it looked like something I want to > >>see (I do) and my spam routines identified it as junk. Thanks, BTW, for > >>the excellent broadcasts! > >>Sean > >> > >>Bill Fox wrote: > >>> Perhaps some of the problem with the messages I send is because > >>> (1) Loopers Delight is in my address book's list called "EM Playlist > >>> Distribution." > >>> (2) I send playlists to the "EM Playlist Distribution" list as blind > >>> copies (Bcc:) in order to preserve individuals' identities, which > >>> means that Loopers is not in the To: field. > >>> > >>> Thunderbird ought to help you filter stuff well enough for the > results > >>> you desire. To aid that, I *always* format the Subject: field of my > >>> playlists to allow filtering in case a Loopers member wants to can my > >>> stuff. The Subject: field ALWAYS starts out: > >>> "Galactic Travels Playlist for" with the rest varying according to > the > >>> date and show number. Plus, there should be plenty of non-changing > >>> content in the playlists to help you filter them out. > >>> > >>> Cheers, > >>> > >>> Bill > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > > > -- > > > ---> http://www.matthiasgrob.com > > ------=_Part_14870_4822262.1176511902154 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Matthias,

    I just add "loopers-delight.com" to the filter field "Has the words".  Works fine for me.  But to answer your question, no, it doesn't seem to allow you to define a filter on the X-Loop header. 

    Todd


    On 4/13/07, Matthias Grob <matthias@grob.org> wrote:
    I am just moving to Gmail due to its fantastic spam filter

    but it does not have the X-Loop option for filter, just From, To, Subject

    suggestions?

    >
    >Note that the X-Loop field isn't just Bill's stuff, it's all of the
    >Looper's Delight list.  For whatever reason, it seems that most folks
    >don't know that it's there.  Maybe a blurb on the LD website would be
    >appropriate.  (Though, for all I know it may already be mentioned on
    >the LD site.)
    >
    >Todd
    >
    >On 12/10/06, Sean Onion <sean@zwieble.com> wrote:
    >>Thanks Bill.  I was tripped up reading the solution offered at first;
    >>that is, add the field "X-Looper" to the filter and put
    >>"Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" in that field.  I honestly thought
    >>that X-Looper was some secret code for this discussion thread!  20 years
    >>in IT and I'm still learning...  Anyway, you might want to put together
    >>a blurb or disclaimer on your messages that explain the whole BCC and
    >>X-Loopers solution for filtering your emails; that would leave you the
    >>freedom of changing subject and content without anyone losing your
    >>emails.  My original boggle was that it looked like something I want to
    >>see (I do) and my spam routines identified it as junk.  Thanks, BTW, for
    >>the excellent broadcasts!
    >>Sean
    >>
    >>Bill Fox wrote:
    >>>  Perhaps some of the problem with the messages I send is because
    >>>  (1) Loopers Delight is in my address book's list called "EM Playlist
    >>>  Distribution."
    >>>  (2) I send playlists to the "EM Playlist Distribution" list as blind
    >>>  copies (Bcc:) in order to preserve individuals' identities, which
    >>>  means that Loopers is not in the To: field.
    >>>
    >>>  Thunderbird ought to help you filter stuff well enough for the results
    >>>  you desire.  To aid that, I *always* format the Subject: field of my
    >>>  playlists to allow filtering in case a Loopers member wants to can my
    >>>  stuff.  The Subject: field ALWAYS starts out:
    >>>  "Galactic Travels Playlist for" with the rest varying according to the
    >>>  date and show number.  Plus, there should be plenty of non-changing
    >>>  content in the playlists to help you filter them out.
    >>>
    >>>  Cheers,
    >>>
    >>>  Bill
    >>>
    >>>
    >>>
    >>>


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              ---> http://www.matthiasgrob.com


    ------=_Part_14870_4822262.1176511902154-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Apr 14 01:13:37 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4DC643BF76; Sat, 14 Apr 2007 01:13:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <831356.36245.qm@web26215.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2007 18:02:35 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: David Gans Subject: Re: Mastering music Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - vps.gdhour.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - trufun.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: <1_5CzC.A.VUD.ArCIGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69563 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2007 01:13:37 +0000 (UTC) At 5:19 PM -0700 4/13/07, Ronan Chris Murphy wrote: > >These days it is very common to use some sort of extreme limiting to >get the final levels louder (L1, L2, Finalizers, etc), but many >times a sense of presence or bigness comes from judicious EQ; and >often more cutting than boosting. That's been my experience w/ projects I have mastered with Joe Gastwirt, Paul Stubblebine, Jeffrey Norman and others. Mastering involves subtle and judicious use of signal processing tools to clarify the sound and improve consistency of levels and EQ form track to track. It alost always has to dow ith cutting a little than with boosting. > >If you are going to be using extreme limiting be cautious. At first >it can be a little exciting but if overused can sometimes hurt some >of the natural dynamics and change of texture that makes so much >looping music interesting. Amen! I am on a mailing list with a lot of mastering engineers (Sonic Solutions), and they've been upset for years at the amount of squashing they have to do to please the record companies. If you look at most commercial CDs as waveforms in the Sonic edit window, they resemble solid blocks of audio rather than the nice peaky dynamic streams you' expect from real music. -- David Gans - david@trufun.com or david@gdhour.com Truth and Fun, Inc., 484 Lake Park Ave. #102, Oakland CA 94610-2730 Blog: http://logblog.gdhour.com Web site: http://www.dgans.com From gnax@server.net-impressions.com Sat Apr 14 02:38:00 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 24087 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Sat, 14 Apr 2007 02:37:59 UTC Received: from server.net-impressions.com (server.net-impressions.com [216.180.225.162]) by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF72B3BF69 for ; Sat, 14 Apr 2007 02:37:58 +0000 (UTC) Received: from gnax by server.net-impressions.com with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1HcY9C-0000LM-3k for looparc@loopers-delight.com; Fri, 13 Apr 2007 22:37:54 -0400 To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Subject: You just recieved a Electronic Greeting. From: Electronic Greeting Content-Type: text/html Message-Id: Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2007 22:37:54 -0400 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - server.net-impressions.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [32159 32160] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - server.net-impressions.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: E Greeting Hello ,
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    From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Apr 14 03:00:08 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1A7033BF73; Sat, 14 Apr 2007 03:00:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <015f01c77e41$00f41a40$d1caf40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <588ce11d0704131646s5a2f27eel2ae7f34c2d206cdb@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: I think some of you guys are going to love this--a computer built into a guitar amp Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2007 21:00:04 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69564 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2007 03:00:07 +0000 (UTC) I don't get it. Why would anyone want a computer inside a guitar amp? The thing will be obsolete in a year, based on the rate at which computers evolve. If plugging straight into a laptop is a problem, why not just plug into a regular amp and run the effect loop through a laptop for effects, looping, etc? I'm just trying to find the practical application here. I can see the benefit of not having to pack a desktop computer around, or not have to pack a laptop around on stage...but a fast evolving and obsolescence prone commodity inside an amp? It seems like a lot of work can cost just to be able to plug a guitar into quarter inch jack, and have a computer inside recieving the input. Tell me more about the noise you experienced. I know that I've experienced interference when my guitar pickups get close to a monitor of a deskto computer, but that doesn't occur with my notebook. I plug straight into the computer and it is ultra quite, quieter than any amp I've plugged into. Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Art Simon" To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Sent: Friday, April 13, 2007 5:46 PM Subject: I think some of you guys are going to love this--a computer built into a guitar amp >I tried to build a "one box" music computer where I could plug my > guitar in straight into the computer. Ultimately, I failed, the noise > from computer made the internal preamp unusable. This project goes one > better--a guy modded an old guitar amp and installed a computer inside > it. It's a couple years old, I can't believe I didn't find it until > today. > http://www.bit-tech.net/modding/2005/11/01/Creative_X-fi_Music_/1.html > I'm salivating, boy I'd love one of these. > > -- > Art Simon > simart@null.net > http://art.simon.tripod.com > http://www.myspace.com/artsimon > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Apr 14 03:34:13 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B151B3BF7C; Sat, 14 Apr 2007 03:34:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=teFXDKwZzOOX9f094HFtTxdpZ5AQQrNecKlU36IUJvI5V9F8h78S71BERnQsrErjmCbyjuTSGgpg1IXTce7UV0jjQEuMky5ry6tbaQor5ZxzC2//DYdTWKBN679CMKaoWIjz61LdalIE2QmLQYBZD+jldsY87uyuqGS4YO1Hbrc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=q4X8ydtAjt4ER6iYJhsxAX2uoggQf7K7JKYnImuKBrFelMvQ4ydjFIuVWTNqrGE/8T7SuJvvefIy3JhMoTkEb/runj+6U74Y9PXFKaA6QPEpOmHlufetG1uKg4Ed+2Yl/iV2DBQnQirqWcdyE0M+VHTk1A1txntcG9o7oloO+xs= Message-ID: <588ce11d0704132034v4a3af2cfp4b544ce12e6dfb1c@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2007 20:34:12 -0700 From: "Art Simon" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: I think some of you guys are going to love this--a computer built into a guitar amp In-Reply-To: <015f01c77e41$00f41a40$d1caf40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <588ce11d0704131646s5a2f27eel2ae7f34c2d206cdb@mail.gmail.com> <015f01c77e41$00f41a40$d1caf40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69565 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2007 03:34:13 +0000 (UTC) I guess I'm just enamored of the "one box" idea. When I mounted the rolls preamp in my computer, high-gain guitar settings gave unacceptable amounts of noise. It was the interaction of the preamp and the computer. While the pickups can cause some problems in proximity to a computer, that hasn't been a big problem for me. I'd love to have an amp that ran mobius and my guitar amp sims. You could just turn the power on and start playing anywhere. Imagine it had a battery. I'd love it. On 4/13/07, Krispen Hartung wrote: > I don't get it. Why would anyone want a computer inside a guitar amp? The > thing will be obsolete in a year, based on the rate at which computers > evolve. If plugging straight into a laptop is a problem, why not just plug > into a regular amp and run the effect loop through a laptop for effects, > looping, etc? I'm just trying to find the practical application here. I can > see the benefit of not having to pack a desktop computer around, or not have > to pack a laptop around on stage...but a fast evolving and obsolescence > prone commodity inside an amp? It seems like a lot of work can cost just to > be able to plug a guitar into quarter inch jack, and have a computer inside > recieving the input. > > Tell me more about the noise you experienced. I know that I've experienced > interference when my guitar pickups get close to a monitor of a deskto > computer, but that doesn't occur with my notebook. I plug straight into the > computer and it is ultra quite, quieter than any amp I've plugged into. > > Kris > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Art Simon" > To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" > > Sent: Friday, April 13, 2007 5:46 PM > Subject: I think some of you guys are going to love this--a computer built > into a guitar amp > > > >I tried to build a "one box" music computer where I could plug my > > guitar in straight into the computer. Ultimately, I failed, the noise > > from computer made the internal preamp unusable. This project goes one > > better--a guy modded an old guitar amp and installed a computer inside > > it. It's a couple years old, I can't believe I didn't find it until > > today. > > http://www.bit-tech.net/modding/2005/11/01/Creative_X-fi_Music_/1.html > > I'm salivating, boy I'd love one of these. > > > > -- > > Art Simon > > simart@null.net > > http://art.simon.tripod.com > > http://www.myspace.com/artsimon > > > > > > > -- Art Simon simart@null.net http://art.simon.tripod.com http://www.myspace.com/artsimon From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Apr 14 04:27:51 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DA06B3BF7D; Sat, 14 Apr 2007 04:27:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <016801c77e4d$4279d250$d1caf40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <588ce11d0704131646s5a2f27eel2ae7f34c2d206cdb@mail.gmail.com> <015f01c77e41$00f41a40$d1caf40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <588ce11d0704132034v4a3af2cfp4b544ce12e6dfb1c@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: I think some of you guys are going to love this--a computer built into a guitar amp Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2007 22:27:48 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69566 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2007 04:27:51 +0000 (UTC) Yeah, I follow you now. I see the apeal in in having a software equivalent of a 20 space rack of effects inside a small combo amp. Some other ideas I've heard of are: Combo amps that have a two space racks slot in them (could be for a Muse Receptor), or an amp with a single rack space and a sliding tray that you can mount your notebook on (boot it up, set things up, close the lide, and slide it back in), etc. Then you could at least upgrade the computer without tearing the amp apart. Of course, the more appealind idea to me is a combo amp inside a computer rather than a computer inside a combo amp. With all the great tube amp simulators, EQs, warmers, etc....it is just so easy for me to plug straigh into my laptop now. Although, I still have to admit that for live jazz, I still can't find a VST tube amp sim that sound remotely like my Fender Pro Junior. Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Art Simon" To: Sent: Friday, April 13, 2007 9:34 PM Subject: Re: I think some of you guys are going to love this--a computer built into a guitar amp >I guess I'm just enamored of the "one box" idea. When I mounted the > rolls preamp in my computer, high-gain guitar settings gave > unacceptable amounts of noise. It was the interaction of the preamp > and the computer. While the pickups can cause some problems in > proximity to a computer, that hasn't been a big problem for me. I'd > love to have an amp that ran mobius and my guitar amp sims. You could > just turn the power on and start playing anywhere. Imagine it had a > battery. I'd love it. > > On 4/13/07, Krispen Hartung wrote: >> I don't get it. Why would anyone want a computer inside a guitar amp? The >> thing will be obsolete in a year, based on the rate at which computers >> evolve. If plugging straight into a laptop is a problem, why not just >> plug >> into a regular amp and run the effect loop through a laptop for effects, >> looping, etc? I'm just trying to find the practical application here. I >> can >> see the benefit of not having to pack a desktop computer around, or not >> have >> to pack a laptop around on stage...but a fast evolving and obsolescence >> prone commodity inside an amp? It seems like a lot of work can cost just >> to >> be able to plug a guitar into quarter inch jack, and have a computer >> inside >> recieving the input. >> >> Tell me more about the noise you experienced. I know that I've >> experienced >> interference when my guitar pickups get close to a monitor of a deskto >> computer, but that doesn't occur with my notebook. I plug straight into >> the >> computer and it is ultra quite, quieter than any amp I've plugged into. >> >> Kris >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Art Simon" >> To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" >> >> Sent: Friday, April 13, 2007 5:46 PM >> Subject: I think some of you guys are going to love this--a computer >> built >> into a guitar amp >> >> >> >I tried to build a "one box" music computer where I could plug my >> > guitar in straight into the computer. Ultimately, I failed, the noise >> > from computer made the internal preamp unusable. This project goes one >> > better--a guy modded an old guitar amp and installed a computer inside >> > it. It's a couple years old, I can't believe I didn't find it until >> > today. >> > http://www.bit-tech.net/modding/2005/11/01/Creative_X-fi_Music_/1.html >> > I'm salivating, boy I'd love one of these. >> > >> > -- >> > Art Simon >> > simart@null.net >> > http://art.simon.tripod.com >> > http://www.myspace.com/artsimon >> > >> > >> >> >> > > > -- > Art Simon > simart@null.net > http://art.simon.tripod.com > http://www.myspace.com/artsimon > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Apr 14 04:56:51 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B2EA83BF80; Sat, 14 Apr 2007 04:56:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=d9IPcI0FZNUhGiI+wTFuZey4dGbR6C5Q2hnlT/vI0/Kosp8ib4exf5dOzMVt69Cgt8UQhq4l3y3Ekr568DK5yBECKKYt3bXjNB+pnQb9TqALaWxoSjJ2WtasrdbpWL2xZneMSU+fCPp1/GG0krTq2wuGY0M8OCYQeja7gRssz30= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=sOlllXHtsfgOtQXch9Y7H8bfSMhfBif4nHqXh4xa90VC2AKs3lw326TMSROXqv4T7eOWVwz3I0PVwiFn8uRCsXStyAZTKHR/QhRh4r+qb40om3eVg3u8UsWumKhVBoyi7T5A2DuYvg6szATZ31v1dv/s27Wx2AZErr5ahwPE95s= Message-ID: Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2007 06:56:49 +0200 From: "Raul Bonell" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: CD/DVD Production links In-Reply-To: <009b01c77df7$70e83a10$d1caf40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <754FACAF985AF346A216CAE674CA22A602D07D@es002.WSI-MAIN.COM> <009b01c77df7$70e83a10$d1caf40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69567 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2007 04:56:51 +0000 (UTC) Does anybody know if they send cds overseas or if exists some similar company here in Europa ? Thanks for sharing, Ra=FCl. 2007/4/13, Krispen Hartung : > http://www.kunaki.com/ > > ----- Original Message ----- > Sent: Friday, April 13, 2007 12:10 PM > Subject: RE: CD/DVD Production links > > > Sorry, I came in late on this discussion. Can somebody repost the URL > to the company you are talking about here? > > Thanks > > Jim > > > > --=20 The Playing Orchestra: http://www.telefonica.net/web2/tpo Chain Tape Collective: http://www.ct-collective.com TPO at myspace: http://www.myspace.com/theplayingorchestra From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Apr 14 05:33:21 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2F35B3BF81; Sat, 14 Apr 2007 05:33:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=KPLlynGLbNQOYffc94O9hLdWcRrHMTnT8tUICzUqCMwqBHizGa2FvHHN8F9DR4CHUmZaeS8hoY55Lyz5B3RxQB+rKa+XjsGEbYxcQzZigQ0IuZC5a8/l3U8C0TvVQxnCZnCoqj23MhM5MZbEvebS9BQyxvLx6ECiMVwvplkfnHs= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=QrFvLDvyhuYhJ65RqVFMerFf54pt8gbAQSniihPx12Err1Hkptcwmc0DRywYcKVhGrczQdXFqqNbVAxxr4KPwn9f5xHWF7Z4d1SKicY6n3sWkm8Tkhcmwz813XlcFZhu+0nAmq+S3ylJUO+nGcz0iTejWDkJ9dS8T/4vF+4WuR8= Message-ID: <588ce11d0704132233i867fce8q18471a8ede9bb192@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2007 22:33:19 -0700 From: "Art Simon" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: CD/DVD Production links In-Reply-To: <588ce11d0704131712u75fdbb13q798dc31ae41435dd@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <754FACAF985AF346A216CAE674CA22A602D07D@es002.WSI-MAIN.COM> <009b01c77df7$70e83a10$d1caf40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <007b01c77e19$ce8cbac0$16b2a8c0@netzrechner> <001301c77e1d$e2297e70$4101a8c0@MICHAELPLISHKA> <588ce11d0704131703i1fdf8431oe2c1eca3692d776e@mail.gmail.com> <588ce11d0704131712u75fdbb13q798dc31ae41435dd@mail.gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: <4s-6hD.A.zYF.geGIGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69568 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2007 05:33:21 +0000 (UTC) I unistalled AntiVir, and replaced it with Avast, and so far every thing seems ok. It seems to like the Kunaki software just fine. On 4/13/07, Art Simon wrote: > Oops, AntiVir really doesn't like it. I had to give up. Maybe I need a > different AntiVirus program. > > On 4/13/07, Art Simon wrote: > > I got a virus warning as well. I'm running AntiVir. I just clicked on "ignore." > > -- Art Simon simart@null.net http://art.simon.tripod.com http://www.myspace.com/artsimon From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Apr 14 05:56:34 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C00053BF8A; Sat, 14 Apr 2007 05:56:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "GORDIUS info" To: Subject: RE: I think some of you guys are going to love this--a computer built into a guitar amp Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2007 07:56:19 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1250" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 In-Reply-To: <588ce11d0704132034v4a3af2cfp4b544ce12e6dfb1c@mail.gmail.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Thread-Index: Acd+S9jmb2r7gUEcQ/qse3NdbciE+gAC4RMg Message-Id: <20070414055632.3E67CD4100@asia.telenet-ops.be> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69569 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2007 05:56:34 +0000 (UTC) Or you could buy this one : http://www.newsengine.be/documents/graphics/fotos-klanten/intel/intel-hoover phonic1.jpg http://www.pocket-lint.co.uk/news/news.phtml/1985/3009/view.phtml If indeed you can live with an Intel based laptop which is outdated by the time you have payed your guitar.. A better idea (unfortunately nothing but an idea, but maybe some of you guys could get involved in making it reality...;-) : http://community.linux.com/community/07/01/31/1951219.shtml?tid=12 -----Original Message----- From: Art Simon [mailto:simart@gmail.com] Sent: zaterdag 14 april 2007 5:34 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: I think some of you guys are going to love this--a computer built into a guitar amp I guess I'm just enamored of the "one box" idea. When I mounted the rolls preamp in my computer, high-gain guitar settings gave unacceptable amounts of noise. It was the interaction of the preamp and the computer. While the pickups can cause some problems in proximity to a computer, that hasn't been a big problem for me. I'd love to have an amp that ran mobius and my guitar amp sims. You could just turn the power on and start playing anywhere. Imagine it had a battery. I'd love it. On 4/13/07, Krispen Hartung wrote: > I don't get it. Why would anyone want a computer inside a guitar amp? > The thing will be obsolete in a year, based on the rate at which > computers evolve. If plugging straight into a laptop is a problem, > why not just plug into a regular amp and run the effect loop through a > laptop for effects, looping, etc? I'm just trying to find the > practical application here. I can see the benefit of not having to > pack a desktop computer around, or not have to pack a laptop around on > stage...but a fast evolving and obsolescence prone commodity inside an > amp? It seems like a lot of work can cost just to be able to plug a > guitar into quarter inch jack, and have a computer inside recieving the input. > > Tell me more about the noise you experienced. I know that I've > experienced interference when my guitar pickups get close to a monitor > of a deskto computer, but that doesn't occur with my notebook. I plug > straight into the computer and it is ultra quite, quieter than any amp I've plugged into. > > Kris > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Art Simon" > To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" > > Sent: Friday, April 13, 2007 5:46 PM > Subject: I think some of you guys are going to love this--a computer > built into a guitar amp > > > >I tried to build a "one box" music computer where I could plug my > >guitar in straight into the computer. Ultimately, I failed, the noise > >from computer made the internal preamp unusable. This project goes > >one better--a guy modded an old guitar amp and installed a computer > >inside it. It's a couple years old, I can't believe I didn't find it > >until today. > > > >http://www.bit-tech.net/modding/2005/11/01/Creative_X-fi_Music_/1.htm > >l I'm salivating, boy I'd love one of these. > > > > -- > > Art Simon > > simart@null.net > > http://art.simon.tripod.com > > http://www.myspace.com/artsimon > > > > > > > -- Art Simon simart@null.net http://art.simon.tripod.com http://www.myspace.com/artsimon -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 269.4.0/759 - Release Date: 12/04/2007 19:58 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 269.4.0/759 - Release Date: 12/04/2007 19:58 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Apr 14 07:05:36 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4EF463BF8D; Sat, 14 Apr 2007 07:05:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <007001c77e63$580197f0$6501a8c0@DTT60> From: "Dave Trenkel" To: References: <724357097.1176482100598.JavaMail.root@fepweb03> Subject: Re: DAVID TORNS NEW ECM CD "PREZENS" IS AVAILABLE FOR PRE-ORDER Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2007 00:05:54 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="UTF-8"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Spam-Score: 0 () X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.39 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69570 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2007 07:05:36 +0000 (UTC) Yeah, I have it on order from the local store for next Tuesday, can't wait. The band is Tim Berne (sax), Craig Taborn (keys) and Tom Rainey (drums). Berne is one of my favorite composers and players, and his prezens (ouch) on the new Torn promises to be a very cool collaboration. There are a few tunes on myspace that sound incredible. ----- Original Message ----- From: "tEd ® kiLLiAn" To: Sent: Friday, April 13, 2007 9:35 AM Subject: DAVID TORNS NEW ECM CD "PREZENS" IS AVAILABLE FOR PRE-ORDER Hey all you loopy folks! I just thought I'd make mention that one of our better known (if infrequent, in recent years) posters, David Torn, has a new ECM recording coming out in the next few days and it's available for pre-order at Amazon.co for only $12.97. Being the rabid fan that I a've already I paid for mine -- and I think that's a pretty darn good price for an ECM release (my favorite lable, bar none). Just thought I'd post to the list in support of DT's continuing artistic output. I hear tell, that he may even try to tour a bit. Whoa! Just thought I'd let everyone know (if you don't already). Cheers, tEd ® kiLLiAn "Different is not always better, but better is always different" Flux Aeterna: http://phobos.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewAlbum?playListId=6378076 http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=2845073 http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=CBNM_17314 http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=193 http://www.loopers-delight.com/cgi-bin/profiles.cgi?step=view_profile&id=121197000042 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So??? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Apr 14 07:19:39 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 08FEB3BF91; Sat, 14 Apr 2007 07:19:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=sLejvjH1JyEA6LBJ72o3+zABgUhJbtytOCWYlbKuWN5KGR4rfxZKgfCLFayJIJcFGiyTO37KQ4+0L8UnaZkMyS95PHsliExWntNM0smSTbRAGZwCZC8J/0zQq2N2wWYpjaWpuWkl2gD2ymvrojSnY2U3J+p4fYHtzksBIxVDNiA=; X-YMail-OSG: dcHuK8UVM1kuuFBqKIKW90f2ny5zcEhL6piUYkg154StpSVahFXapdyidHhIwgNZPD2xMtlMVDgnh13v.efU3.5HSfy4V3fqCF_XcQ-- Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2007 00:19:37 -0700 (PDT) From: rabbirabbifive Subject: Re: I think some of you guys are going to love this--a computer built into a guitar amp To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <15153.20957.qm@web60312.mail.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69571 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2007 07:19:39 +0000 (UTC) "I guess I'm just enamored of the "one box" idea. When I mounted the rolls preamp in my computer, high-gain guitar settings gave unacceptable amounts of noise. It was the interaction of the preamp and the computer. While the pickups can cause some problems in proximity to a computer, that hasn't been a big problem for me. I'd love to have an amp that ran mobius and my guitar amp sims. You could just turn the power on and start playing anywhere. Imagine it had a battery. I'd love it." I hear you. I'm planning to build my next PC inside a rackmount server case, so I can take it along with my audio interface, amp and power supply in one enclosure. Much more robust than a laptop I would think, and I can fix/upgrade it at lower cost. Not so good for international travel though. I envy people who can just travel w/ a laptop and a guitar or whatever and plug into the PA, but I've never been in that situation. I've only played small venues in the U.S. and...well...you're better off bringing your own amp and cabinet or portable PA if you can. If you don't, your sound gets slaughtered, or you get to a alternative (non-club) venue and the "PA" is a karaoke machine. -rabbi __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Apr 14 08:22:15 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E7D0C3BF95; Sat, 14 Apr 2007 08:22:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2007 04:23:17 -0400 From: Bill Fox Subject: Listen to The AM/FM Show To: undisclosed-recipients: ; Message-id: <46208F75.4080202@soundscapes.us> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.10 (Windows/20070221) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69572 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2007 08:22:14 +0000 (UTC) THE AM/FM SHOW ON WMUH: http://soundscapes.us/amfm ======================================================================= My next stint on the AM/FM Show will be Saturday, April 14 at 6:00 am EDT / GMT-4. I will continue the special on E-dition Electronic Music Magazine's sampler CDs. Tune in to WMUH Allentown at 91.7 FM, broadcasting from the campus of Muhlenberg College. I alternate hosting the show with Bruce. When I am at the helm, the show features electronic, ambient, and spacemusic at the beginning, an eclectic mix of genres in the middle, and winds up with Progressive Rock. WMUH's web site is http://muhlenberg.edu/wmuh Listen on-line to WMUH at http://www.muhlenberg.edu/wmuh and click the REAL AUDIO link or go directly to: rtsp://helix.muhlenberg.edu:554/broadcast/live.rm From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Apr 14 09:58:40 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 82FFC3BF99; Sat, 14 Apr 2007 09:58:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: AW: Mastering music Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2007 11:58:52 +0200 Organization: Moinlabs Message-ID: <000b01c77e7b$81ffca50$1001a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Thread-Index: Acd+MiD4AUfyu3B0QC+USk3eOL8wZAASJYsw X-RZG-AUTH: lUESeo99iNzPL8kuBgLYdKEqUywq9cxqeRA+BtFcSCD5deQ7OIRHGiu7Ttc= X-RZG-CLASS-ID: mo07 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69573 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2007 09:58:40 +0000 (UTC) > Amen! I am on a mailing list with a lot of mastering > engineers (Sonic Solutions), and they've been upset for years > at the amount of squashing they have to do to please the > record companies. I read this interview with Bob Orban (of Orban, who do processors for radio stations) that US radio stations had been discussing putting out a maximum rating for a peak-to-RMS value for music which is allowed to be played on the radio. As a matter of fact, such "overlimited" material poses a serious problem to these broadcast processors as well. > If you look at most commercial CDs as > waveforms in the Sonic edit window, they resemble solid > blocks of audio rather than the nice peaky dynamic streams > you' expect from real music. One tricky thing here (which I've also seen on a Frisell album a few years back) is to use compression not at the top, but in the middle of the dynamic range. That way, you preserve these important peaks and have compression working on that part of the material that most needs compression, meaning the medium-loudness parts. And also because the compressor has more time to react, which is sufficient even with mastering-style attack settings, you need nearly no limiting as a last step. Rainer From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Apr 14 11:37:52 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 467A53BFA7; Sat, 14 Apr 2007 11:37:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=FHy8JwVOYzLpVqzNM/i8U96UF0N8CmeeiF/1EQ6I6UR3C7fRLlnjt4VJx1LVZIOSpDJMGSOe6wLWcT0Dfak/dv7goBNsapcQnjZP+hZ7nm8vzE773I93fCmenYK6HDA6hioa0hxd3/AqF8X5WRRh2yVHDicWA75+Mad/FuQnY7Q= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=T3XAhUmvfJlAcytrYlGxAh3L9dbIUC43OTInVVF/jeAfrTWrGUSPkIMGNJJmK1Ml9zDujxJPJ2F7ULQg0zhvSHoHMGYahJjXuHlFAk50oII3S0HjfwX9vkg5wL6/fNptkL887ILd9/p/BwQGOe0FU0fbfy+hjOiRY0sE8Ap73O0= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <000b01c77e7b$81ffca50$1001a8c0@succubus> References: <000b01c77e7b$81ffca50$1001a8c0@succubus> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <9293E8CE-EE9D-421F-ACDB-1E64B4B5EC54@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: AW: Mastering music Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2007 13:37:46 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69574 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2007 11:37:52 +0000 (UTC) On 14 apr 2007, at 11.58, Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill wrote: > One tricky thing here (which I've also seen on a Frisell album a > few years > back) is to use compression not at the top, but in the middle of > the dynamic > range. That way, you preserve these important peaks and have > compression > working on that part of the material that most needs compression, > meaning > the medium-loudness parts. And also because the compressor has more > time to > react, which is sufficient even with mastering-style attack > settings, you > need nearly no limiting as a last step. I guess you're talking frequency bands here when saying "in the middle of the dynamic range"? Yes, that's a neat trick. Quite often I build a dedicated "multi band compressor" by splitting the signal to be mastered over three to five separate sub channels. Each sub channel is then armored with a low cut and high cut filters to enable only a certain frequency spectrum. Depending on the music I isolate different frequency spectra on separate channels and can then work with compression in according to the music and the instruments that play the main role inside each spectrum. A quick "lazy mans" method would be to slap a multi band compressor on the master output, but that doesn't give you the same control and usually doesn't sound as good. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) http://tinyurl.com/2kek7h (CC donationware music releases) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Apr 14 11:49:42 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5E3773BFAD; Sat, 14 Apr 2007 11:49:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: AW: Mastering music Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2007 13:49:43 +0200 Organization: Moinlabs Message-ID: <000001c77e8a$fe46d4f0$1001a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <9293E8CE-EE9D-421F-ACDB-1E64B4B5EC54@gmail.com> Thread-Index: Acd+iVXkIJCR94WUTI+ZSVax/eM8wgAAMDeA X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-RZG-AUTH: lUESeo99iNzPL8kuBgLYdKEqUywq9cxqeRA+BtFcSCD5deQ7OIRHGiu7Ttc= X-RZG-CLASS-ID: mo07 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69575 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2007 11:49:42 +0000 (UTC) > I guess you're talking frequency bands here when saying "in > the middle of the dynamic range"? No, I'm not. I'm talking "dynamic range" here, meaning: A normal compressor does the following. It completely "ignores" signals below a certain signal level (the threshold), signals passing above it will be subsequently attenuated by a certain factor (the ratio) - and this happens up all the way to 0dB. Another way to go is to have a range instead (say -30dB to -20dB), and if the signal is in that rage, it gets attenuated according to your factor (say e.g. 2:1). So a signal with -30dB goes through as -30dB, a signal with -20dB goes through as -25dB. So now comes the tricky part: If the signal goes beyond -20dB, it doesn't get compressed any further - so in this example a -5dB signal would come out at -10dB etc. This way, you compress dynamics in the midrange of the dynamic spectrum (the soft parts of your song, which often get lost under suboptimal listening conditions), while the dynamic transients in the loud parts (read: drums) get preserved. Multi-band compression is another thing to which a lot of professional mastering engineers react quite adversely btw. One reason is if you do this: > separate sub channels. Each sub channel is then armored with > a low cut and high cut filters to enable only a certain these eqs have quite a frequency-dependant effect on the signal's phase, so you get a phase washup all the way. For that reason, Waves did the LinMB compressor which compensates for the eqs phase shifts. Rainer From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Apr 14 12:08:25 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 33AF83BFAC; Sat, 14 Apr 2007 12:08:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: <000b01c77e7b$81ffca50$1001a8c0@succubus> References: <000b01c77e7b$81ffca50$1001a8c0@succubus> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <3CD655F7-2476-4478-BAE5-C84B5C157287@mac.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Teddy Subject: Re: AW: Mastering music Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2007 08:08:13 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAA== X-Brightmail-scanned: yes Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69576 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2007 12:08:25 +0000 (UTC) On Apr 14, 2007, at 5:58 AM, Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill wrote: >> Amen! 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    From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Apr 14 12:48:07 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 675D13BFB7; Sat, 14 Apr 2007 12:48:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=EXK/Vub6rpNGD9H9t8+CQ6vKJxa3w9ceEhyDdLvnfu6fUspcaYVh8WfmbgJIQluo0mu0o6L5+GgChCX3G1l92UdKXYnHuqUwt4mwqkLq+F91zECArdGTO1GT1HWoHRtG7XwtlUNv+hP4A9I3BtVQXncj4kQR3byl8+wbRyT+34w= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=MJbQYJeSWoD4NeZ28i2+x5wJ6QouzSg6DYvutZ5b1ZoxQ4/BQeYmMnRY9fJNN2Jw8jcvMlEIo0WEWXGRdJ/tI/cBOt7qMLknA+pOqE2w73F8WzxuD39xwp9QcfHPQf8/7l9+spDIrg1p/2/jT6AQl+iz6xQXNjbnzFyuexVPoiA= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <000001c77e8a$fe46d4f0$1001a8c0@succubus> References: <000001c77e8a$fe46d4f0$1001a8c0@succubus> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <471E2234-FB17-4922-993B-7DC10B371537@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Range compressing (was: AW: Mastering music) Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2007 14:48:00 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69577 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2007 12:48:07 +0000 (UTC) >> I guess you're talking frequency bands here when saying "in >> the middle of the dynamic range"? On 14 apr 2007, at 13.49, Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill wrote: > No, I'm not. I'm talking "dynamic range" here, meaning: > > A normal compressor does the following. It completely "ignores" > signals > below a certain signal level (the threshold), signals passing above > it will > be subsequently attenuated by a certain factor (the ratio) - and this > happens up all the way to 0dB. > > Another way to go is to have a range instead (say -30dB to -20dB), > and if > the signal is in that rage, it gets attenuated according to your > factor (say > e.g. 2:1). So a signal with -30dB goes through as -30dB, a signal > with -20dB > goes through as -25dB. So now comes the tricky part: > > If the signal goes beyond -20dB, it doesn't get compressed any > further - so > in this example a -5dB signal would come out at -10dB etc. > > This way, you compress dynamics in the midrange of the dynamic > spectrum (the > soft parts of your song, which often get lost under suboptimal > listening > conditions), while the dynamic transients in the loud parts (read: > drums) > get preserved. Great explanation, Rainer! I see what you mean. Over here I have used the software plug-in compressor Neodynum, from Elemental Audio, for doing exactly that. Do you know about other compressing gear/software that offer such a "range" setting? Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) http://tinyurl.com/2kek7h (CC donationware music releases) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Apr 14 13:34:49 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E67F53BFBC; Sat, 14 Apr 2007 13:34:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: AW: Range compressing (was: AW: Mastering music) Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2007 15:35:02 +0200 Organization: Moinlabs Message-ID: <000001c77e99$b4516e00$1001a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: Acd+kybSpcC5uc8mRACNT1jo0c0SLwABWj3Q In-Reply-To: <471E2234-FB17-4922-993B-7DC10B371537@gmail.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-RZG-AUTH: lUESeo99iNzPL8kuBgLYdKEqUywq9cxqeRA+BtFcSCD5deQ7OIdg6wEb X-RZG-CLASS-ID: mo07 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69578 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2007 13:34:49 +0000 (UTC) > Great explanation, Rainer! I see what you mean. Over here I > have used the software plug-in compressor Neodynum, from > Elemental Audio, for doing exactly that. Do you know about > other compressing gear/software that offer such a "range" setting? The multiband compressors C4 and LinMB by Waves are centered about this concept, indeed, they don't even have the traditional "ratio" knob. It's possible to use the C1 in the same way by some tricky settings (combination of expander with a compressor with negative ratio). For offline processing, the typical audio editors (WaveLab, SoundForge, Sequoia) allow you to define a dynamic curve graphically, so you can also do it that way. If you want to do this with some tricky vintage outboard gear (or even with a software plugin which doesn't allow for it), you could try something like this. You'll need two compressors for this, one of them with a sidechain. Feed both your compressors with your wanted signal. Connect the out of compressor 2 to the SC in of compressor 1. Now set (to go back to the example values from my original post) compressor 1 to threshold -30dB, ratio 2:1. Set compressor 2 to threshold -20dB, ratio inf:1 (i.e. limiting). Rainer From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Apr 14 13:43:23 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 900933BFC0; Sat, 14 Apr 2007 13:43:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <3CD655F7-2476-4478-BAE5-C84B5C157287@mac.com> References: <000b01c77e7b$81ffca50$1001a8c0@succubus> <3CD655F7-2476-4478-BAE5-C84B5C157287@mac.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-7-682501317 Message-Id: From: Richard Sales Subject: Somewhat OT Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2007 06:43:16 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Resent-Message-ID: <3xK00C.A.oLF.7pNIGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69579 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2007 13:43:23 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-7-682501317 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed are you on the magnatone list too Teddy? I thought I saw your name there today! richard sales glassWing farm and studio vancouver island, b.c. 800.545.6846 250.752.4816 www.glassWing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com On 14-Apr-07, at 5:08 AM, Teddy wrote: --Apple-Mail-7-682501317 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=US-ASCII are you on the magnatone list too Teddy? I thought I saw your name there today! Gadgetrichard sales 7373,7F7F,C5C5glassWing farm and studio vancouver island, b.c. 800.545.6846 250.752.4816C3C3,9696,1C1C www.glassWing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com On 14-Apr-07, at 5:08 AM, Teddy wrote: --Apple-Mail-7-682501317-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Apr 14 13:45:12 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 101FD3BFC3; Sat, 14 Apr 2007 13:45:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AgAAALp3IEbUSnINdGdsb2JhbACQCAEllxg Message-ID: <4620DB1C.9050008@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2007 14:46:04 +0100 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: AW: Mastering music References: <000001c77e8a$fe46d4f0$1001a8c0@succubus> In-Reply-To: <000001c77e8a$fe46d4f0$1001a8c0@succubus> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69580 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2007 13:45:11 +0000 (UTC) >> separate sub channels. Each sub channel is then armored with >> a low cut and high cut filters to enable only a certain > > these eqs have quite a frequency-dependant effect on the signal's phase, so > you get a phase washup all the way. For that reason, Waves did the LinMB > compressor which compensates for the eqs phase shifts. > > Rainer Software multiband compressors use filters with linear phase response (always FIR type), so they don't have to compensate. A similar strategy would work with home grown multibanding, though unfortunately most digital filters don't have linear phase (being IIR type). andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Apr 14 14:51:28 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F18AC3BFC5; Sat, 14 Apr 2007 14:51:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4620EA66.8000500@mhorse.com> Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2007 09:51:18 -0500 From: Daryl Shawn User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.10 (Windows/20070221) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: I think some of you guys are going to love this--a computer built into a guitar amp References: <20070414055632.3E67CD4100@asia.telenet-ops.be> In-Reply-To: <20070414055632.3E67CD4100@asia.telenet-ops.be> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1250; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69581 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2007 14:51:27 +0000 (UTC) "Intel has created probably the world's first super-charged guitar that will allow you to surf the web in-between songs." This HAS to be an entry from one of those unuseless Japanese invention books that brought us the umbrella hat and the roll-on butter stick. Daryl Shawn www.swanwelder.com www.chinapaintingmusic.com > http://www.pocket-lint.co.uk/news/news.phtml/1985/3009/view.phtml From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Apr 14 14:56:12 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 144D43BFCF; Sat, 14 Apr 2007 14:56:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "GORDIUS info" To: Subject: RE: I think some of you guys are going to love this--a computer built into a guitar amp Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2007 16:55:57 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1250" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 In-Reply-To: <4620EA66.8000500@mhorse.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Thread-Index: Acd+pGNbqOaHB2GJTR2IIiq6rH5JNgAAEFtQ Message-Id: <20070414145608.E806CD4185@asia.telenet-ops.be> Resent-Message-ID: <7Yyis.A.0N.LuOIGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69582 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2007 14:56:12 +0000 (UTC) Imagine : in the middle of a gig : "DINGDONG - new mail arrived"... :-) -----Original Message----- From: Daryl Shawn [mailto:highhorse@mhorse.com] Sent: zaterdag 14 april 2007 16:51 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: I think some of you guys are going to love this--a computer built into a guitar amp "Intel has created probably the world's first super-charged guitar that will allow you to surf the web in-between songs." This HAS to be an entry from one of those unuseless Japanese invention books that brought us the umbrella hat and the roll-on butter stick. Daryl Shawn www.swanwelder.com www.chinapaintingmusic.com > http://www.pocket-lint.co.uk/news/news.phtml/1985/3009/view.phtml -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 269.4.0/760 - Release Date: 13/04/2007 20:04 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 269.4.0/760 - Release Date: 13/04/2007 20:04 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Apr 14 15:05:16 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 585263BFDA; Sat, 14 Apr 2007 15:05:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=LReD2jPdyXi76UIAzvxUYWicDXU0zPKmi3MQ0IXLzgBNCpgcTrMIqPBK/Gj6gxb9u/14o8Y1G9LFE7S5ioNcbHm9js1wBSinBXF9JzAYWhLkA6cOpe6I9C43bjLrUc/NPKzW8YbBogdZAo4sIhBkvYV/hOGhtrzMXnBS61fgBmI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=N3bnrcgHMUeWRakknv7tTbVrlrsS2hKNvQ0XS2sDnY5Fv6glnTqxM3bFtZVARVcxDSusZU9ajR03A/6X1+YXwndsWXii/kBxHHD8reA+O90Mv3dQAkILaxpLVQ4bnRhFypQ//ze4HknXqQrQR2oGnIGgcKcpMXThd58aQkZMW0U= Message-ID: <9ff9c5d10704140805t17f5b36cl61fc4c37e9935094@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2007 08:05:11 -0700 From: "Nic Roozeboom" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Mastering music In-Reply-To: <000b01c77e7b$81ffca50$1001a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_24344_7356726.1176563111135" References: <000b01c77e7b$81ffca50$1001a8c0@succubus> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69583 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2007 15:05:16 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_24344_7356726.1176563111135 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline > > I read this interview with Bob Orban (of Orban, who do processors for > radio > stations) that US radio stations had been discussing putting out a maximum > rating for a peak-to-RMS value for music which is allowed to be played on > the radio. As a matter of fact, such "overlimited" material poses a > serious > problem to these broadcast processors as well. > If I'm not mistaken, there is a contradiction here. A maximum peak-to-RMS value would actually favor "overlimited" material, not reject it. A high peak-to-RMS ratio means large dynamic range. Compressors & limiters bring the peak material relatively closer to the RMS. Plus, I thought it ironic since radio had a large part in favoring "overlimiting" in the first place & over the years, ad nauseam. Which began innocently enough with the desire to preserve pure transmission signal-to-noise ratio. Best, Nic ------=_Part_24344_7356726.1176563111135 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline
    I read this interview with Bob Orban (of Orban, who do processors for radio
    stations) that US radio stations had been discussing putting out a maximum
    rating for a peak-to-RMS value for music which is allowed to be played on
    the radio. As a matter of fact, such "overlimited" material poses a serious
    problem to these broadcast processors as well.

    If I'm not mistaken, there is a contradiction here. A maximum peak-to-RMS value would actually favor "overlimited" material, not reject it.

    A high peak-to-RMS ratio means large dynamic range. Compressors & limiters bring the peak material relatively closer to the RMS.

    Plus, I thought it ironic since radio had a large part in favoring "overlimiting" in the first place & over the years, ad nauseam. Which began innocently enough with the desire to preserve pure transmission signal-to-noise ratio.

    Best,
    Nic


    ------=_Part_24344_7356726.1176563111135-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Apr 14 15:47:46 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3915F3BFDC; Sat, 14 Apr 2007 15:47:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2007 11:49:24 -0400 From: Bill Fox Subject: mindSpiral To: ASMID Yahoogroups List , Electronic Music 2000 Yahoogroups List , ElectronicMusic Yahoogroups List , Galactic Travels Yahoogroup , Loopers Delight Mailing List , Philly Ambient Yahoogroups Mailing List , progressivemusicsociety Yahoogroups List , spacemusic Yahoogroups List Message-id: <4620F804.2040708@soundscapes.us> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.10 (Windows/20070221) Resent-Message-ID: <3pEC3D.A.sbC.hePIGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69584 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2007 15:47:46 +0000 (UTC) Greetings, The week preceeding Easter, I spent in Boulder, Colorado, taking part in Mike Metlay's third incarnation of mindSpiral, i.e. mind3Spiral, consisting of Mike Metlay, John Rossi III, and me. The week culminated in a concert at the Fiske planetarium on Saturday, 7 April. Please direct your browsers and your attention to http://www.mindspiral.com if you have a moment. Among the new delights you'll find there: - short audio excerpts from ALL tracks in the live mind3Spiral show from last Saturday night - photos from the show, including a sneak peek at one of the coolest new scientific exhibits anywhere, courtesy of the computer-modeling geniuses at NOAA and NCAR - a set of photos from last year's mind2Spiral show, including performance shots in the dome - a couple of not terribly well hidden easter eggs Tonight on StillStream.com's Blue Water Drift Dive show, there will be an exclusive premiere of one or more full-length tracks from the concert. These may be released on an album. (Discussions are in progress.) I'll be hanging out in the station's chat room to answer questions, too. has all the details for listening and chatting. Looping, analog emulations, processed guitars, an actual ROMpler, and lots of other yummie stuff went into the making of this music. No engangered wild North American Semiconductors were harmed during the making of this music, although Massive did blow up Chainer at one point during the show. Thanks for your attention, Bill From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Apr 14 17:11:16 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8E69A3BFCC; Sat, 14 Apr 2007 17:11:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <4620F804.2040708@soundscapes.us> References: <4620F804.2040708@soundscapes.us> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1-694969920 Message-Id: <05261d8bbd09e3a229bab5c8644579d6@glasswing.com> From: Richard Sales Subject: Re: mindSpiral Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2007 10:11:05 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69585 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2007 17:11:16 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-1-694969920 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed nice! richard sales glassWing farm and studio vancouver island, b.c. 800.545.6846 250.752.4816 www.glassWing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com On 14-Apr-07, at 8:49 AM, Bill Fox wrote: > Greetings, > > The week preceeding Easter, I spent in Boulder, Colorado, taking part > in Mike Metlay's third incarnation of mindSpiral, i.e. mind3Spiral, > consisting of Mike Metlay, John Rossi III, and me. The week > culminated in a concert at the Fiske planetarium on Saturday, 7 April. > Please direct your browsers and your attention to > http://www.mindspiral.com if you have a moment. Among the new > delights you'll find there: > > - short audio excerpts from ALL tracks in the live mind3Spiral show > from last Saturday night > - photos from the show, including a sneak peek at one of the coolest > new scientific exhibits anywhere, courtesy of the computer-modeling > geniuses at NOAA and NCAR > - a set of photos from last year's mind2Spiral show, including > performance shots in the dome > - a couple of not terribly well hidden easter eggs > > Tonight on StillStream.com's Blue Water Drift Dive show, there will be > an exclusive premiere of one or more full-length tracks from the > concert. These may be released on an album. (Discussions are in > progress.) I'll be hanging out in the station's chat room to answer > questions, too. has all the details for > listening and chatting. > > Looping, analog emulations, processed guitars, an actual ROMpler, and > lots of other yummie stuff went into the making of this music. No > engangered wild North American Semiconductors were harmed during the > making of this music, although Massive did blow up Chainer at one > point during the show. > > Thanks for your attention, > > Bill > --Apple-Mail-1-694969920 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=US-ASCII nice! Gadgetrichard sales 7373,7F7F,C5C5glassWing farm and studio vancouver island, b.c. 800.545.6846 250.752.4816C3C3,9696,1C1C www.glassWing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com On 14-Apr-07, at 8:49 AM, Bill Fox wrote: Greetings, The week preceeding Easter, I spent in Boulder, Colorado, taking part in Mike Metlay's third incarnation of mindSpiral, i.e. mind3Spiral, consisting of Mike Metlay, John Rossi III, and me. The week culminated in a concert at the Fiske planetarium on Saturday, 7 April. Please direct your browsers and your attention to http://www.mindspiral.com if you have a moment. Among the new delights you'll find there: - short audio excerpts from ALL tracks in the live mind3Spiral show from last Saturday night - photos from the show, including a sneak peek at one of the coolest new scientific exhibits anywhere, courtesy of the computer-modeling geniuses at NOAA and NCAR - a set of photos from last year's mind2Spiral show, including performance shots in the dome - a couple of not terribly well hidden easter eggs Tonight on StillStream.com's Blue Water Drift Dive show, there will be an exclusive premiere of one or more full-length tracks from the concert. These may be released on an album. (Discussions are in progress.) I'll be hanging out in the station's chat room to answer questions, too. < has all the details for listening and chatting. Looping, analog emulations, processed guitars, an actual ROMpler, and lots of other yummie stuff went into the making of this music. No engangered wild North American Semiconductors were harmed during the making of this music, although Massive did blow up Chainer at one point during the show. Thanks for your attention, Bill --Apple-Mail-1-694969920-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Apr 14 19:04:39 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 70F6C3BFCC; Sat, 14 Apr 2007 19:04:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [4.246.75.122] X-Originating-Email: [sambacomet@hotmail.com] X-Sender: sambacomet@hotmail.com From: "samba -" To: org.opn.lists.ocfdiscuss@lists.opn.org Subject: Broadcast Treaty very very bad Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2007 12:04:34 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Apr 2007 19:04:37.0580 (UTC) FILETIME=[BF4350C0:01C77EC7] Resent-Message-ID: <0d01s.A.A5E.GXSIGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69586 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2007 19:04:39 +0000 (UTC) BoingBoing: Public hearing on Broadcast Treaty in DC, May 9 The US Patent and Trademark Office is holding public hearings on May 9 to discuss the US position on the WIPO Broadcast Treaty -- you can attend and even speak. The Broadcast Treaty is a proposal to let broadcasters (and "webcasters" -- people who host files and make them available to the Internet) claim a copyright to the stuff that they transmit. Broadcasters get this special right even if the stuff they're sending around is in the public domain, or Creative Commons licensed, or not copyrightable (like CSPAN's broadcasts of Congress). Fair use doesn't apply to this right. What this means is that a handful of corporations are going to be able to claim copyrights over billions of works they didn't create -- works that they've done nothing to improve, works they've done nothing for except electromagnetically modulating them. What this means is that these corporations are going to be able to trump the rights of actual creators. If you put a Creative Commons license on your video that allows your fans to share it, the "broadcaster" -- or the person who transmits it over the Web -- can override your wishes and tell your fans that they can't. This is a proposed UN treaty, and the US position on it keeps wavering. The tech sector recently woke up and told the government off for selling them out in Geneva, critically wounding the Treaty's prospects. With a little help, it could die altogether. Persons wishing to attend and observe or participate in the roundtable are required to submit requests to observe the roundtable or participate, preferably by electronic mail through the Internet to sking@loc.gov. Alternatively, you may submit requests by facsimile at 202–707–8366 or via regular mail to: U.S. Copyright Office, Copyright GC/I&R, P.O. Box 70400, Southwest Station, Washington, DC 20024, marked to the attention of Simone King. Please be aware that delivery of mail (U.S. Postal Service and private carrier) sent to the U.S. Copyright Office is subject to delay. Therefore, it is strongly suggested that any request to observe or participate be made via e–mail or fax. Requests to observe the roundtable or to participate as a member of the roundtable must indicate the following information: 1. The name of the person, including whether it is your intention to observe the roundtable or to participate as a member of the roundtable; 2. The organization or organizations represented by that person, if any; 3. Contact information (address, telephone, and e–mail); 4. Information on the specific focus or interest of the observer or participant (or his or her organization) and any questions or issues you would like to raise. The deadline for receipt of requests to observe or participate in the roundtable is 5:00 p.m. on Friday, May 4, 2007. If we receive so many requests that we reach the room’s capacity, attendance will be granted in the order the requests were received. Link (Thanks, Dan!) See also: US Senate: Broadcast Treaty subverts copyright! WIPO Broadcast Treaty: consolidated three-day notes UN cooking podcast-killing treaty URGENT: Podcasters act now to stop anti-podcasting UN treaty! America to US gov't: kill the Broadcast Treaty! US copyright head: world "totally rejects" webcasting restrictions Secret WIPO memo: rich countries to kill Broadcast Treaty, Development Agenda WIPO wants to give webcasters the right to steal from public domain, Creative Commons and GPL WIPO anti-podcasting treaty refuses to die European podcasters to WIPO: Stay away from us! Copyright treaty laid bare: watch your governments make sausage! Financial Times: WIPO's webcaster treaty is a disaster Podcasting saved from the UN -- for now Tech companies tell WIPO: we don't want your "protection" posted by Cory Doctorow at 09:51:41 AM permalink | blogs' comments _________________________________________________________________ Exercise your brain! Try Flexicon. http://games.msn.com/en/flexicon/default.htm?icid=flexicon_hmemailtaglineapril07 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Apr 14 19:21:31 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E3DAD3BF8F; Sat, 14 Apr 2007 19:21:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=WkfYEINAjXm0akR05qn1nWoFL4qZBDtW8j7dwTRtzn8tn1fYuTm/904IHhlkFhSmMQ5DY6cHODm7QQQOVeONPv4kgbv/nB0151mKZjI8szuOmM1d6MqkPaKvJN4sPdAGx9p5ZqAhkZe1j5KF4Jc0ALc5fGSxEvVQk3Nm07P9vyQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=cGMt5x5E3MJj/D/3vz9yTfdQgceT8q/kOX5f73cQIAoRONB+GFgDrEpOM7R4P+zP8U4tXGSQ+MHKlZAZwUaHwzCSO1YY/HmYQKhRrHcaFkGkbXcLO/GyeDiV/oxjmfEalVzLF9eKwTEs+w8z8quQgP5h/+svCK/xwFCNM7rhsw0= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <1196F9D6-60D1-4194-BD2B-FFC94E60A70F@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Broadcast Treaty very very bad Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2007 21:21:23 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69587 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2007 19:21:30 +0000 (UTC) On 14 apr 2007, at 21.04, samba - wrote: > BoingBoing: > > Public hearing on Broadcast Treaty in DC, May 9 > The US Patent and Trademark Office is holding public hearings on > May 9 to discuss the US position on the WIPO Broadcast Treaty -- > you can attend and even speak. > > The Broadcast Treaty is a proposal to let broadcasters (and > "webcasters" -- people who host files and make them available to > the Internet) claim a copyright to the stuff that they transmit. > Broadcasters get this special right even if the stuff they're > sending around is in the public domain, or Creative Commons > licensed, or not copyrightable (like CSPAN's broadcasts of > Congress). Fair use doesn't apply to this right. > > What this means is that a handful of corporations are going to be > able to claim copyrights over billions of works they didn't create > -- works that they've done nothing to improve, works they've done > nothing for except electromagnetically modulating them. > > What this means is that these corporations are going to be able to > trump the rights of actual creators. If you put a Creative Commons > license on your video that allows your fans to share it, the > "broadcaster" -- or the person who transmits it over the Web -- can > override your wishes and tell your fans that they can't. > > This is a proposed UN treaty, and the US position on it keeps > wavering. The tech sector recently woke up and told the government > off for selling them out in Geneva, critically wounding the > Treaty's prospects. With a little help, it could die altogether. Holy Shit! I could never have imagined that coming up... I know about, and think it makes sense, when the author "sells" the copyright of media music especially designed for a certain tv show, advertisement spot etc, but this new treaty seems just crazy! Attempted robbery. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) http://tinyurl.com/2kek7h (CC donationware music releases) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Apr 14 21:35:40 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DC3EE3BFA1; Sat, 14 Apr 2007 21:35:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <46215792.10302@imt.net> Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2007 15:37:06 -0700 From: Bob Weigel User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: mindSpiral References: <4620F804.2040708@soundscapes.us> In-Reply-To: <4620F804.2040708@soundscapes.us> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <601YLC.A.bwD.skUIGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69588 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2007 21:35:40 +0000 (UTC) Oh man..would have loved to have seen that. I'm heading down to Denver soon. Metlay and Rossi were big posters in the old rec.music.synth group when I first joined way way back there near it's conception. Any other upcoming events? Planning to bring my Memorymoog and a Karma down this time anticipating any possible gigs :-) -Bob Bill Fox wrote: > Greetings, > > The week preceeding Easter, I spent in Boulder, Colorado, taking part > in Mike Metlay's third incarnation of mindSpiral, i.e. mind3Spiral, > consisting of Mike Metlay, John Rossi III, and me. The week > culminated in a concert at the Fiske planetarium on Saturday, 7 > April. Please direct your browsers and your attention to > http://www.mindspiral.com if you have a moment. Among the new > delights you'll find there: > > - short audio excerpts from ALL tracks in the live mind3Spiral show > from last Saturday night > - photos from the show, including a sneak peek at one of the coolest > new scientific exhibits anywhere, courtesy of the computer-modeling > geniuses at NOAA and NCAR > - a set of photos from last year's mind2Spiral show, including > performance shots in the dome > - a couple of not terribly well hidden easter eggs > > Tonight on StillStream.com's Blue Water Drift Dive show, there will be > an exclusive premiere of one or more full-length tracks from the > concert. These may be released on an album. (Discussions are in > progress.) I'll be hanging out in the station's chat room to answer > questions, too. has all the details for > listening and chatting. > > Looping, analog emulations, processed guitars, an actual ROMpler, and > lots of other yummie stuff went into the making of this music. No > engangered wild North American Semiconductors were harmed during the > making of this music, although Massive did blow up Chainer at one > point during the show. > > Thanks for your attention, > > Bill > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Apr 15 00:34:16 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E4E973BFA4; Sun, 15 Apr 2007 00:34:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: <000b01c77e7b$81ffca50$1001a8c0@succubus> References: <000b01c77e7b$81ffca50$1001a8c0@succubus> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-9-721556393 Message-Id: <001E41DB-70B6-4C92-88B1-12DD4B6A2BA3@venetowest.com> From: Ronan Chris Murphy Subject: Re: Mastering music Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2007 17:34:11 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) Resent-Message-ID: <8PZuTD.A.YfD.IMXIGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69589 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2007 00:34:16 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-9-721556393 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed One note of clarity / geek talk: Extreme loudness, that thing that makes the waveform of a new album's look like a solid block with no discernible dynamic is a result of digital brick wall limiting, a process that completely flattens out any peak that exceeds the user defined threshold (L2, Finalizer, Oxford Inflator, Massey L2007..). This process does not exist in the analog world. Compression and limiting (limiting just means compression with a high ratio) in the analog world always allows at least a small amount of the transients to pass through the processor unattenuated. Many people will make the mistake of thinking that tons of compression on recordings is a new thing. that might be the case if you consider the Beatles Sgt. Peppers to be a new recording. Heavy compression has been a staple of popular recording techniques for several decades, it has both creative applications as well a way to manage a few problems inherent in analog recording and reproduction methods. It is not my belief that look ahead brick wall limiting is always bad. It is part of almost every record I make, but it often gets used inappropriately , either over used or used on content that is not benefitted by it. My reason for throwing out a warning about compression and limiting in my previous post is that a lot of looping music (especially soundscapes or textural stuff) can really be harmed by poor application of limiting or especially multi-band compression because they can compromise a lot of the natural dynamics between frequency ranges that can be part of a tunes evolution. On a quick plug, if you are looking for a brick wall limiter, the best I have found it the Massey L2007, which sells for about $75-USD. Ronan Chris Murphy www.venetowest.com (Production & mixing: King Crimson, Chucho Valdes, Steve Morse, Nels Cline, Terry Bozzio, CGT...) www.homerecordingbootcamp.com (Workshops around the world teaching the art and craft of recording ) www.livesofthesaints.net (The hottest ambient noise duo since Sonny & Cher) --Apple-Mail-9-721556393 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1
    One note of clarity / geek = talk:

    Extreme = loudness, that thing that makes the waveform of a new album's look like = a solid block with no=A0discernible dynamic=A0is a result of digital = brick wall limiting, a process that completely flattens out any peak = that exceeds the user defined threshold (L2, Finalizer, Oxford Inflator, = Massey L2007..). This process does not exist in the analog world. = Compression and limiting (limiting just means compression with a high = ratio) in the analog world always allows at least a small amount of the = transients to pass through the processor unattenuated.

    Many people will make the = mistake of thinking that tons of compression on recordings is a new = thing. that might be the case if you consider the Beatles Sgt. Peppers = to be a new recording.=A0 Heavy compression has been a staple of popular = recording techniques for several decades, it has both creative = applications as well a way to manage a few problems=A0inherent=A0in = analog recording and reproduction methods.

    It is not my belief that = look ahead brick wall limiting is always bad. It is part of almost every = record I make, but it often gets used=A0inappropriately=A0, either over = used or used on content that is not=A0benefitted by it. My reason for = throwing out a warning about=A0compression and limiting in my previous = post is that a lot of looping music (especially soundscapes or textural = stuff) can really be harmed by poor application of limiting = or=A0especially=A0multi-band compression because they can=A0compromise a = lot of the natural dynamics between frequency ranges that can be part of = a tunes=A0evolution.

    On a quick plug, if you are = looking for a brick wall limiter, the best I have found it the Massey = L2007, which sells for about $75-USD.


    Ronan Chris Murphy

    www.venetowest.com = (Production & mixing: King Crimson, Chucho Valdes, Steve Morse, Nels = Cline, Terry Bozzio, CGT...)

    www.homerecordingbootcamp.com (Workshops around = the world teaching the art and craft of recording )

    www.livesofthesaints.net = (The hottest ambient noise duo since Sonny & Cher)

    =


    = --Apple-Mail-9-721556393-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Apr 15 10:20:31 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 373C93BFA4; Sun, 15 Apr 2007 10:20:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AgAAAC6ZIUbUSnIMdGdsb2JhbACQCAEllic Message-ID: <4621FC9F.6090806@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2007 11:21:19 +0100 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Mastering music References: <000b01c77e7b$81ffca50$1001a8c0@succubus> <001E41DB-70B6-4C92-88B1-12DD4B6A2BA3@venetowest.com> In-Reply-To: <001E41DB-70B6-4C92-88B1-12DD4B6A2BA3@venetowest.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <_e_-PC.A.soF.uxfIGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69590 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2007 10:20:31 +0000 (UTC) Ronan Chris Murphy wrote: > Many people will make the mistake of thinking that tons of compression > on recordings is a new thing. What's new is that there's now a well defined ceiling at 0dB. (leading to the volume wars) > On a quick plug, if you are looking for a brick wall limiter, the best I > have found it the Massey L2007, which sells for about $75-USD. 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Sincerely, MR.THOMAS KABORE _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live Spaces : créez votre blog à votre image ! http://www.windowslive.fr/spaces From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Apr 15 13:56:26 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A458B3BF86; Sun, 15 Apr 2007 13:56:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2007 09:57:54 -0400 From: Bill Fox Subject: Re: mindSpiral In-reply-to: <22676246.1176586712696.JavaMail.root@m11> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <46222F62.7020900@soundscapes.us> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit References: <4620F804.2040708@soundscapes.us> <22676246.1176586712696.JavaMail.root@m11> User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.10 (Windows/20070221) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69591 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2007 13:56:26 +0000 (UTC) Hi Bob, There are no plans for public performance that I know of in the near future. The yearly show at the Fiske in April has always been endangered by the weather. This year's show was almost canceled! It wasn't but the weather kept attendance low. As a result, there's a push to move the show to a time when weather will not be a factor. mind4Spiral is in the planning stages. I don't know who Mike has invited but I do kow that it is intended to be a studio effort instead of a performance effort. Heading down to Denver from where? Do you know about the Ricochet Gathering in Yellowstone this August? Cheers, Bill Bob Weigel wrote: > Oh man..would have loved to have seen that. I'm heading down to > Denver soon. Metlay and Rossi were big posters in the old > rec.music.synth group when I first joined way way back there near it's > conception. Any other upcoming events? Planning to bring my > Memorymoog and a Karma down this time anticipating any possible gigs > :-) -Bob > > Bill Fox wrote: >> The week preceeding Easter, I spent in Boulder, Colorado, taking part >> in Mike Metlay's third incarnation of mindSpiral, i.e. mind3Spiral, >> consisting of Mike Metlay, John Rossi III, and me. The week >> culminated in a concert at the Fiske planetarium on Saturday, 7 >> April. Please direct your browsers and your attention to >> http://www.mindspiral.com if you have a moment. Among the new >> delights you'll find there: ... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Apr 15 14:43:52 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F14D93BF8D; Sun, 15 Apr 2007 14:43:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=JV0hh3Qi8eta8Jxv8GQTn7guVvDhgHTxyYbNc96EY90TBxxo53RpMjv/VJ6LxGRbNMOzrk280QHFUPpVORttbe7uQWSpT1LIyId/Xm9ZKjpMHqIFwxhYIMtIq3SEhjJ/DXuyKKvzezOoz5rum5/o80Jq6RAlCRjpxUgKYlPcPyQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=MTHglmGz21v8XBQLVEItMfERJ0sAOGomILkLB/NSlJylCdu9JcD6nTL1p36ZExBxM8GgXsHO6ZAYGc5L0BHHUagZcVOvMwv6mWfuzdGWsgJ53KHZLV26rzCfc2LnlN88P2vW7tzcjCIRTN+n42+Da899H4uQjeNwTzuwV0scvLk= Message-ID: <26ba8d120704150743m767f248fmd672fd445895231a@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2007 10:43:50 -0400 From: "Tom Ritchford" Sender: tom.ritchford@gmail.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Broadcast Treaty very very bad In-Reply-To: <1196F9D6-60D1-4194-BD2B-FFC94E60A70F@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <1196F9D6-60D1-4194-BD2B-FFC94E60A70F@gmail.com> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 3891c2408b324fcd Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69592 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2007 14:43:51 +0000 (UTC) Unfortunately, I see us losing most of these battles and having to refight them in 20 years and get them right. In the United States where I live (today -- I just visited Budapest and am thinking of moving there for a bit, any thoughts on that? the music scene around New York is in a sad state...), there is a provision in the Constitution that more or less says that all rights not described in the Constitution revert to the People. Unfortunately, the United States and much of the rest of the world seem to have forgotten this idea -- that copyrights, trademarks and patents were originally explicitly intended as rights granted for a limited period in order to increase the Public good. At some point, there's going to have to be a dramatic recapture of our rights when we sort all this mess out again, assuming we don't go all 1984 forever. For the moment, I think we have to expect things like the Broadcast Treaty -- not that it absolves us from fighting against such bad laws, no use in making it easy for 'em. On 4/14/07, Per Boysen wrote: > On 14 apr 2007, at 21.04, samba - wrote: > > > BoingBoing: > > > > Public hearing on Broadcast Treaty in DC, May 9 > > The US Patent and Trademark Office is holding public hearings on > > May 9 to discuss the US position on the WIPO Broadcast Treaty -- > > you can attend and even speak. > > > > The Broadcast Treaty is a proposal to let broadcasters (and > > "webcasters" -- people who host files and make them available to > > the Internet) claim a copyright to the stuff that they transmit. > > Broadcasters get this special right even if the stuff they're > > sending around is in the public domain, or Creative Commons > > licensed, or not copyrightable (like CSPAN's broadcasts of > > Congress). Fair use doesn't apply to this right. > > > > What this means is that a handful of corporations are going to be > > able to claim copyrights over billions of works they didn't create > > -- works that they've done nothing to improve, works they've done > > nothing for except electromagnetically modulating them. > > > > What this means is that these corporations are going to be able to > > trump the rights of actual creators. If you put a Creative Commons > > license on your video that allows your fans to share it, the > > "broadcaster" -- or the person who transmits it over the Web -- can > > override your wishes and tell your fans that they can't. > > > > This is a proposed UN treaty, and the US position on it keeps > > wavering. The tech sector recently woke up and told the government > > off for selling them out in Geneva, critically wounding the > > Treaty's prospects. With a little help, it could die altogether. > > > Holy Shit! I could never have imagined that coming up... I know > about, and think it makes sense, when the author "sells" the > copyright of media music especially designed for a certain tv show, > advertisement spot etc, but this new treaty seems just crazy! > Attempted robbery. > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > www.looproom.com (international) > http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) > http://tinyurl.com/2kek7h (CC donationware music releases) > > > -- /t http://ax.to ......... extreme NY arts and music calendar http://ax.to/tr ....... my secret little little... http://ax.to/radio ... my little radio station (on intermittently) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Apr 15 17:03:33 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C8AE03BF91; Sun, 15 Apr 2007 17:03:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <26ba8d120704150743m767f248fmd672fd445895231a@mail.gmail.com> References: <1196F9D6-60D1-4194-BD2B-FFC94E60A70F@gmail.com> <26ba8d120704150743m767f248fmd672fd445895231a@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-3-780911428 Message-Id: <488bff07b92045ca03e5d38101c031b2@glasswing.com> From: Richard Sales Subject: Re: Broadcast Treaty very very bad Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2007 10:03:26 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69593 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2007 17:03:33 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-3-780911428 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Well spoken, Tom Well... things SEEM to be improving a bit in the US. At least the John Wayne Rambo movie seems to be changing plot a bit which is a good sign. Of course, we can only hope that it's not Alfred Hitchcock or Stephen King writing the plot with yet another, even darker twist coming. For what it's worth, I really love Canada. A sweet change from the US but not so radical that it's disorienting. I'd think there'd be a lot of opportunity here for a guy with your credentials. And the igloos aren't too expensive! The real down side is, beer is. richard sales glassWing farm and studio vancouver island, b.c. 800.545.6846 250.752.4816 www.glassWing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com On 15-Apr-07, at 7:43 AM, Tom Ritchford wrote: > Unfortunately, I see us losing most of these battles and having to > refight them in 20 years and get them right. > > In the United States where I live (today -- I just visited Budapest > and am thinking of moving there for a bit, any thoughts on that? the > music scene around New York is in a sad state...), there is a > provision in the Constitution that more or less says that all rights > not described in the Constitution revert to the People. > > Unfortunately, the United States and much of the rest of the world > seem to have forgotten this idea -- that copyrights, trademarks and > patents were originally explicitly intended as rights granted for a > limited period in order to increase the Public good. > > At some point, there's going to have to be a dramatic recapture of our > rights when we sort all this mess out again, assuming we don't go all > 1984 forever. For the moment, I think we have to expect things like > the Broadcast Treaty -- not that it absolves us from fighting against > such bad laws, no use in making it easy for 'em. > > On 4/14/07, Per Boysen wrote: >> On 14 apr 2007, at 21.04, samba - wrote: >> >> > BoingBoing: >> > >> > Public hearing on Broadcast Treaty in DC, May 9 >> > The US Patent and Trademark Office is holding public hearings on >> > May 9 to discuss the US position on the WIPO Broadcast Treaty -- >> > you can attend and even speak. >> > >> > The Broadcast Treaty is a proposal to let broadcasters (and >> > "webcasters" -- people who host files and make them available to >> > the Internet) claim a copyright to the stuff that they transmit. >> > Broadcasters get this special right even if the stuff they're >> > sending around is in the public domain, or Creative Commons >> > licensed, or not copyrightable (like CSPAN's broadcasts of >> > Congress). Fair use doesn't apply to this right. >> > >> > What this means is that a handful of corporations are going to be >> > able to claim copyrights over billions of works they didn't create >> > -- works that they've done nothing to improve, works they've done >> > nothing for except electromagnetically modulating them. >> > >> > What this means is that these corporations are going to be able to >> > trump the rights of actual creators. If you put a Creative Commons >> > license on your video that allows your fans to share it, the >> > "broadcaster" -- or the person who transmits it over the Web -- can >> > override your wishes and tell your fans that they can't. >> > >> > This is a proposed UN treaty, and the US position on it keeps >> > wavering. The tech sector recently woke up and told the government >> > off for selling them out in Geneva, critically wounding the >> > Treaty's prospects. With a little help, it could die altogether. >> >> >> Holy Shit! I could never have imagined that coming up... I know >> about, and think it makes sense, when the author "sells" the >> copyright of media music especially designed for a certain tv show, >> advertisement spot etc, but this new treaty seems just crazy! >> Attempted robbery. >> >> Greetings from Sweden >> >> Per Boysen >> www.boysen.se (Swedish) >> www.looproom.com (international) >> http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) >> http://tinyurl.com/2kek7h (CC donationware music releases) >> >> >> > > > -- > /t > > http://ax.to ......... extreme NY arts and music calendar > http://ax.to/tr ....... my secret little little... > http://ax.to/radio ... my little radio station (on intermittently) > --Apple-Mail-3-780911428 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=US-ASCII Well spoken, Tom Well... things SEEM to be improving a bit in the US. At least the John Wayne Rambo movie seems to be changing plot a bit which is a good sign. Of course, we can only hope that it's not Alfred Hitchcock or Stephen King writing the plot with yet another, even darker twist coming. For what it's worth, I really love Canada. A sweet change from the US but not so radical that it's disorienting. I'd think there'd be a lot of opportunity here for a guy with your credentials. And the igloos aren't too expensive! The real down side is, beer is. Gadgetrichard sales 7373,7F7F,C5C5glassWing farm and studio vancouver island, b.c. 800.545.6846 250.752.4816C3C3,9696,1C1C www.glassWing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com On 15-Apr-07, at 7:43 AM, Tom Ritchford wrote: Unfortunately, I see us losing most of these battles and having to refight them in 20 years and get them right. In the United States where I live (today -- I just visited Budapest and am thinking of moving there for a bit, any thoughts on that? the music scene around New York is in a sad state...), there is a provision in the Constitution that more or less says that all rights not described in the Constitution revert to the People. Unfortunately, the United States and much of the rest of the world seem to have forgotten this idea -- that copyrights, trademarks and patents were originally explicitly intended as rights granted for a limited period in order to increase the Public good. At some point, there's going to have to be a dramatic recapture of our rights when we sort all this mess out again, assuming we don't go all 1984 forever. For the moment, I think we have to expect things like the Broadcast Treaty -- not that it absolves us from fighting against such bad laws, no use in making it easy for 'em. On 4/14/07, Per Boysen < wrote: On 14 apr 2007, at 21.04, samba - wrote: > BoingBoing: > > Public hearing on Broadcast Treaty in DC, May 9 > The US Patent and Trademark Office is holding public hearings on > May 9 to discuss the US position on the WIPO Broadcast Treaty -- > you can attend and even speak. > > The Broadcast Treaty is a proposal to let broadcasters (and > "webcasters" -- people who host files and make them available to > the Internet) claim a copyright to the stuff that they transmit. > Broadcasters get this special right even if the stuff they're > sending around is in the public domain, or Creative Commons > licensed, or not copyrightable (like CSPAN's broadcasts of > Congress). Fair use doesn't apply to this right. > > What this means is that a handful of corporations are going to be > able to claim copyrights over billions of works they didn't create > -- works that they've done nothing to improve, works they've done > nothing for except electromagnetically modulating them. > > What this means is that these corporations are going to be able to > trump the rights of actual creators. If you put a Creative Commons > license on your video that allows your fans to share it, the > "broadcaster" -- or the person who transmits it over the Web -- can > override your wishes and tell your fans that they can't. > > This is a proposed UN treaty, and the US position on it keeps > wavering. The tech sector recently woke up and told the government > off for selling them out in Geneva, critically wounding the > Treaty's prospects. With a little help, it could die altogether. Holy Shit! I could never have imagined that coming up... I know about, and think it makes sense, when the author "sells" the copyright of media music especially designed for a certain tv show, advertisement spot etc, but this new treaty seems just crazy! Attempted robbery. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) http://tinyurl.com/2kek7h (CC donationware music releases) -- /t http://ax.to ......... extreme NY arts and music calendar http://ax.to/tr ....... my secret little little... http://ax.to/radio ... my little radio station (on intermittently) --Apple-Mail-3-780911428-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Apr 15 17:56:23 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BD06B3BF92; Sun, 15 Apr 2007 17:56:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com In-Reply-To: <588ce11d0704131646s5a2f27eel2ae7f34c2d206cdb@mail.gmail.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Cc: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Subject: Re: I think some of you guys are going to love this--a computer built into a guitar amp MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Lotus Notes 652HF83 November 04, 2004 From: Larry C Tremblay X-MIMETrack: S/MIME Sign by Notes Client on Larry C Tremblay/GTS/CSC(652HF83|November 04, 2004) at 04/15/2007 01:56:24 PM, Serialize by Notes Client on Larry C Tremblay/GTS/CSC(652HF83|November 04, 2004) at 04/15/2007 01:56:24 PM, Serialize complete at 04/15/2007 01:56:24 PM, S/MIME Sign failed at 04/15/2007 01:56:24 PM: The cryptographic key was not found, Serialize by Router on AMER-GW09/SRV/CSC(Release 7.0.2FP1 HF16|January 29, 2007) at 04/15/2007 01:55:04 PM, Serialize complete at 04/15/2007 01:55:04 PM Message-ID: Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2007 13:56:21 -0400 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=_alternative 00628C60852572BE_=" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69594 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2007 17:56:23 +0000 (UTC) This is a multipart message in MIME format. --=_alternative 00628C60852572BE_= Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Great article. 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It's a couple years old, I can't believe I didn't find it until today. http://www.bit-tech.net/modding/2005/11/01/Creative_X-fi_Music_/1.html I'm salivating, boy I'd love one of these. -- Art Simon simart@null.net http://art.simon.tripod.com http://www.myspace.com/artsimon --=_alternative 00628C60852572BE_= Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII"
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    I tried to build a "one box" music computer where I could plug my
    guitar in straight into the computer. Ultimately, I failed, the noise
    from computer made the internal preamp unusable. This project goes one
    better--a guy modded an old guitar amp and installed a computer inside
    it. It's a couple years old, I can't believe I didn't find it until
    today.
    http://www.bit-tech.net/modding/2005/11/01/Creative_X-fi_Music_/1.html
    I'm salivating, boy I'd love one of these.

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    Art Simon
    simart@null.net
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    --=_alternative 00628C60852572BE_=-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Apr 15 18:30:16 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6C8643BFA3; Sun, 15 Apr 2007 18:30:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <46227D9F.6090707@imt.net> Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2007 12:31:43 -0700 From: Bob Weigel User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: mindSpiral References: <4620F804.2040708@soundscapes.us> <22676246.1176586712696.JavaMail.root@m11> <46222F62.7020900@soundscapes.us> In-Reply-To: <46222F62.7020900@soundscapes.us> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69595 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2007 18:30:16 +0000 (UTC) I'm in Bozeman, MT. No hadn't heard about that gathering. -Bob Bill Fox wrote: > Hi Bob, > > There are no plans for public performance that I know of in the near > future. The yearly show at the Fiske in April has always been > endangered by the weather. This year's show was almost canceled! It > wasn't but the weather kept attendance low. As a result, there's a > push to move the show to a time when weather will not be a factor. > mind4Spiral is in the planning stages. I don't know who Mike has > invited but I do kow that it is intended to be a studio effort instead > of a performance effort. > > Heading down to Denver from where? Do you know about the Ricochet > Gathering in Yellowstone this August? > > Cheers, > > Bill > > Bob Weigel wrote: > >> Oh man..would have loved to have seen that. I'm heading down to >> Denver soon. Metlay and Rossi were big posters in the old >> rec.music.synth group when I first joined way way back there near >> it's conception. Any other upcoming events? Planning to bring my >> Memorymoog and a Karma down this time anticipating any possible gigs >> :-) -Bob >> >> Bill Fox wrote: >> >>> The week preceeding Easter, I spent in Boulder, Colorado, taking >>> part in Mike Metlay's third incarnation of mindSpiral, i.e. >>> mind3Spiral, consisting of Mike Metlay, John Rossi III, and me. The >>> week culminated in a concert at the Fiske planetarium on Saturday, 7 >>> April. Please direct your browsers and your attention to >>> http://www.mindspiral.com if you have a moment. Among the new >>> delights you'll find there: ... >> > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Apr 15 20:17:16 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3270E3BFA6; Sun, 15 Apr 2007 20:17:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <200704152017.l3FKH9VY014897@ms-smtp-03.nyroc.rr.com> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2007 16:17:04 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: p koniuto Subject: Re: Mastering music In-Reply-To: <001E41DB-70B6-4C92-88B1-12DD4B6A2BA3@venetowest.com> References: <000b01c77e7b$81ffca50$1001a8c0@succubus> <001E41DB-70B6-4C92-88B1-12DD4B6A2BA3@venetowest.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69596 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2007 20:17:16 +0000 (UTC) Ronan Chris Murphy: >It is not my belief that look ahead brick wall limiting is always >bad. It is part of almost every record I make, but it often gets >used inappropriately , either over used or used on content that is >not benefitted by it. My reason for throwing out a warning about >compression and limiting in my previous post is that a lot of >looping music (especially soundscapes or textural stuff) can really >be harmed by poor application of limiting or especially multi-band >compression because they can compromise a lot of the natural >dynamics between frequency ranges that can be part of a tunes evolution. This is a great point, and one i've witnessed personally just recently. Co-lister Hoby and i--under the moniker "Pseudophone"--have an EP coming out on the free netlable, Negative Sound Institute, next month. In the mastering process, the mastering engineer-- who is highly skilled and delivered great final results, i should say--originally misunderstood one of the pieces in a way that fits your scenario exactly. The track is called "The Reach", and is all about the dynamics of the textures shifting to create a sense of internal vertigo, like your whole sense of self is tumbling over and over into some cavernous abyss. It's comprised entirely of voices and treatments. The mastering engineer went to work on it using multi-band compression and slapping a mother of a limiter at a fairly low threshold, making the resulting track sound like a thick slate of electronic synthesis--which was interesting in and of itself, but entirely missed the point of the piece. The dynamics were gone, the mystery was gone--cool as the result sounded. Once we communicated the point of the piece, he understood and favored more gentle EQ, then perhaps slight multi-band compression and finally a limiter at a higher threshold, and all the mystery of the original was back and sounded better than ever. Point is: the mastering technique needs to apply to what it is you're doing. There are other tracks on the EP where his original method of more aggressive multi-band compression and limiting worked great. And as for mastering to 0dB, we found with a primarily ambient record that the thick clusters of frequencies mastered to such a level distorted the outputs on some CD players. We had our whole project mastered to -1dB--which is a big difference, BTW-- and it works swimmingly. Peter Koniuto ______________________________ Peter Koniuto Creative Recordist - Composer Red Sun Soundroom Niskayuna, NY On our hi-fi this week... http://www.RedSunSoundroom.com/ peter AT RedSunSoundroom.com ______________________________ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Apr 15 20:31:07 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 399A33BFA9; Sun, 15 Apr 2007 20:31:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "PiNG" To: "Ambient@hyperreal" , "Dark Seeds" , "Drone Deep Chill" , "Loopers Delight" , "The Ambient Way" , Subject: 04.24.07 . APRil PiNG > KINDER ATOM + SMASH and TEENY with ADDITV Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2007 16:31:02 -0400 Organization: THE AMBiENT PiNG Message-ID: <000001c77f9c$fd2b0830$a27ba8c0@dream> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1807 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69597 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2007 20:31:07 +0000 (UTC) . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . APRiL PiNG . CHiLLED ELECTRO-ACOUSTiC NiGHT Featuring KINDER ATOM + SMASH and TEENY's=20 BEE SPACE with visuals by ADDITV LiVE iN THE UNDERGROUND @ the DRAKE HOTEL TUESDAY APRiL 24TH . 8PM - 11PM . 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These visual interpretations of Kinder Atom=92s music=20 embrace nature inspired, layered abstract imagery and colours.=20 The warm organic flavours of Kinder Atom will tempt your senses=20 and soothe your soul as their deep electro, funky, dreamy and=20 gentle ambient sounds fill the PiNG @ the UNDERGROUND.=20 http://www.kinderatom.com . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 05.22.07 . The PiNG Presents RADiO iN AMBiENCE -=20 A special presentation for DEEP WIRELESS in collaboration with=20 NEW ADVENTURES IN SOUND ART featuring GEEK WEEKEND with=20 ROBERT HOARE (Berlin Germany) & STEVEN SAUV=C9 (Hamilton ON)=20 + STEPHEN KELLY and ELEANOR KING (Halifax NS) @ the UNDERGROUND downstairs @ the DRAKE HOTEL 1150 Queen St. W @ Beaconsfield . W of Ossington . E of Dufferin TUESDAY MAY 22ND . 8PM - 11PM . PWYC (5$ suggested) . 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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Apr 15 20:43:49 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1ACB43BFAC; Sun, 15 Apr 2007 20:43:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <001E41DB-70B6-4C92-88B1-12DD4B6A2BA3@venetowest.com> References: <000b01c77e7b$81ffca50$1001a8c0@succubus> <001E41DB-70B6-4C92-88B1-12DD4B6A2BA3@venetowest.com> Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2007 13:35:53 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: David Gans Subject: Re: Mastering music Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - vps.gdhour.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - trufun.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69598 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2007 20:43:49 +0000 (UTC) At 5:34 PM -0700 4/14/07, Ronan Chris Murphy wrote: >On a quick plug, if you are looking for a brick wall limiter, the >best I have found it the Massey L2007, which sells for about $75-USD. I use that in my Pro Tools system, and it works very well. I don't use it to murder the dynamics of my music, of course, but it's great for preparing material for broadcast and other uses. -- David Gans - david@trufun.com or david@gdhour.com Truth and Fun, Inc., 484 Lake Park Ave. #102, Oakland CA 94610-2730 Blog: http://logblog.gdhour.com Web site: http://www.dgans.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Apr 15 21:38:55 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 18C6A3BFB8; Sun, 15 Apr 2007 21:38:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [4.246.75.208] X-Originating-Email: [sambacomet@hotmail.com] X-Sender: sambacomet@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <20070415204349.C49243BFB8@arsenic.violacea.com> From: "samba -" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Mastering-aesthetics Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2007 14:38:50 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Apr 2007 21:38:53.0541 (UTC) FILETIME=[76A8A150:01C77FA6] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69599 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2007 21:38:55 +0000 (UTC) "Point is: the mastering technique needs to apply to what it is you're doing." I would apply this to aestheitcs in general,Understanding the intent of the piece is important.Nothing worse than trying to play a sweet love song and have the drummer play like he's going to war against demons form the 9th dimesion. I think critique is essentially only functional when it looks at wether the technical means succeed in communicating the intent. _________________________________________________________________ MSN is giving away a trip to Vegas to see Elton John.  Enter to win today. http://msnconcertcontest.com?icid-nceltontagline From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Apr 15 21:44:19 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7E25D3BFB8; Sun, 15 Apr 2007 21:44:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [4.246.75.208] X-Originating-Email: [sambacomet@hotmail.com] X-Sender: sambacomet@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <20070415204349.C49243BFB8@arsenic.violacea.com> From: "samba -" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Broadcast treaty Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2007 14:44:14 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Apr 2007 21:44:18.0073 (UTC) FILETIME=[38184890:01C77FA7] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69600 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2007 21:44:19 +0000 (UTC) I would caution ya'll ,don't think this is a done deal.The ball is definately still in play,there are some large scale players that are opposed to this idea of broadcasters owning content. Writing to your senaotors and congressional reps couldn't hurt.Anyone who is a member of ascap bmi,prs etc,it couldn't hurt to write them expressing not just opposition ,but ones expectation that they will represent your interests by opposing this move. Phone calls are better than writing ,of course. _________________________________________________________________ Download Messenger. Join the i’m Initiative. Help make a difference today. http://im.live.com/messenger/im/home/?source=TAGHM_APR07 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Apr 15 21:45:59 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E65453BFB2; Sun, 15 Apr 2007 21:45:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [4.246.75.208] X-Originating-Email: [sambacomet@hotmail.com] X-Sender: sambacomet@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <20070415204349.C49243BFB8@arsenic.violacea.com> From: "samba -" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Broadcast treaty Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2007 14:45:56 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Apr 2007 21:45:58.0730 (UTC) FILETIME=[741752A0:01C77FA7] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69601 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2007 21:45:59 +0000 (UTC) Future of Music Coalition http://www.futureofmusic.org/index.cfm _________________________________________________________________ Download Messenger. Join the i’m Initiative. Help make a difference today. http://im.live.com/messenger/im/home/?source=TAGHM_APR07 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Apr 15 22:38:52 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CC2793BFB9; Sun, 15 Apr 2007 22:38:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-SBRS: None X-SenderGroup: RELAYLIST X-MailFlowPolicy: $RELAYED X-MID: 687770278 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C77FAE.D6B9EC0B" Subject: RE: Mastering music Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2007 23:38:50 +0100 Message-ID: <1BB076E4C332F9469148F41725F17A720204DDF4@MTVNE-EXCLUST02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Mastering music Thread-Index: Acd/re+TXUKW/vppR2e/dFwtZjkrig== References: <200704152017.l3FKH9VY014897@ms-smtp-03.nyroc.rr.com> From: "Goddard, Duncan" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Apr 2007 22:38:51.0057 (UTC) FILETIME=[D6F20210:01C77FAE] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69602 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2007 22:38:52 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C77FAE.D6B9EC0B Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable dr jekyll: I don't let anyone else do anything to my recordings, by way = of "mastering", unless they are a broadcaster & need to adapt the = dynamic range of the material to better suit an acoustically hostile = listening environment, such as a truck. mr hyde: I have personally installed & set up several dozens of the = orban & tc-electronic broadcast "mastering" devices to make the non-US = mtv channels more "competitive" in the context of other similarly = treated tv channels, & to even out the differences between various types = of programme material (commercials, long-form shows & movies with = dialogue, music videos, cartoons) so as to reduce listener fatigue. I have always hated "overall" comp-limiting, & especially the multi-band = variety, but I live in a crowded city & like to stay up late at = night.... [sigh] duncan. =20 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C77FAE.D6B9EC0B Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: Mastering music

    dr jekyll: I don't let anyone else do anything to my = recordings, by way of "mastering", unless they are a = broadcaster & need to adapt the dynamic range of the material to = better suit an acoustically hostile listening environment, such as a = truck.

    mr hyde: I have personally installed & set up several dozens of the = orban & tc-electronic broadcast "mastering" devices to = make the non-US mtv channels more "competitive" in the context = of other similarly treated tv channels, & to even out the = differences between various types of programme material (commercials, = long-form shows & movies with dialogue, music videos, cartoons) so = as to reduce listener fatigue.

    I have always hated "overall" comp-limiting, & especially = the multi-band variety, but I live in a crowded city & like to stay = up late at night....

    [sigh]

    duncan. 

    ------_=_NextPart_001_01C77FAE.D6B9EC0B-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Apr 15 23:20:21 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C4A9F3BFBA; Sun, 15 Apr 2007 23:20:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: FW: Re-Name that song - competition Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2007 08:50:16 +0930 Message-ID: <65865F047B28324D92F716B06CAAFE0F02326929@sagemsg0020.sagemsmrd01.sa.gov.au> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Re-Name that song - competition Thread-Index: Acd9J9zZ8Rod7MhTTGCMk39O8P2I+QCi8AMwAAA+GNA= From: "McDade, Rob (SLSA)" To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" <'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'> X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Apr 2007 23:20:17.0599 (UTC) FILETIME=[A10A34F0:01C77FB4] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69603 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2007 23:20:21 +0000 (UTC) Thanks Daryl, Great title and great review - can I reprint that?=20 *** Also I will be unsubscribing from the list for a couple of weeks as I am going away with the family for a bit. Will be back early May! If anyone want to send me a personal email in that time you are welcome to write to either=20 robmc@bigbutton.com.au or this email mcdade.rob@slsa.sa.gov.au cheers Rob McDade www.myspace.com/robmcdade -----Original Message----- From: Daryl Shawn [mailto:highhorse@mhorse.com]=20 Rob, my title submission: "Dante Hitchhikes To Vegas" [brief review] From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 16 00:03:49 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id ED5EE3BFBB; Mon, 16 Apr 2007 00:03:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4622BD56.9060906@mhorse.com> Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2007 19:03:34 -0500 From: Daryl Shawn User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.10 (Windows/20070221) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, robmc@bigbutton.com.au Subject: Reviews (was: Re-Name that song - competition) References: <65865F047B28324D92F716B06CAAFE0F02326929@sagemsg0020.sagemsmrd01.sa.gov.au> In-Reply-To: <65865F047B28324D92F716B06CAAFE0F02326929@sagemsg0020.sagemsmrd01.sa.gov.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69604 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2007 00:03:48 +0000 (UTC) Glad you liked it, Rob. Sure, feel free to reprint. In fact, I think I'm going to put up a simple page for this and the other reviews I've written recently (for Per and Krispen) and keep on reviewing stuff, I like writing about interesting music. On that note, if anyone has things they'd like reviewed, send me a link (sorry, can't do physical cds). OFFLIST please. Can be anything, whole albums are best but I'll do single tunes too, whatever. I can't promise any kind of quick turnaround, and I won't promise a positive review (I call it like I sees it!), but I'll listen to anything at all and spit out a few words. I'll try to get a page up this week. Again, send any submissions offlist to highhorse@mhorse.com, please. Daryl Shawn www.swanwelder.com www.chinapaintingmusic.com > Thanks Daryl, > Great title and great review - can I reprint that? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 16 00:40:38 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AF2853BFB6; Mon, 16 Apr 2007 00:40:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <001E41DB-70B6-4C92-88B1-12DD4B6A2BA3@venetowest.com> References: <000b01c77e7b$81ffca50$1001a8c0@succubus> <001E41DB-70B6-4C92-88B1-12DD4B6A2BA3@venetowest.com> Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2007 20:33:16 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Charles Zwicky Subject: Re: Mastering music Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-ELNK-Trace: e070562f4b6af5994d2b10475b57112058178e8a69d0f1d5475edcc1ebc0c23fb9fdf044f9081595350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 69.86.208.154 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69605 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2007 00:40:38 +0000 (UTC) >Extreme loudness, that thing that makes the waveform of a new >album's look like a solid block with no discernible dynamic is a >result of digital brick wall limiting, a process that completely >flattens out any peak that exceeds the user defined threshold (L2, >Finalizer, Oxford Inflator, Massey L2007..). This process does not >exist in the analog world. Yes it does, and it is used by mastering engineers to this day. It's called clipping. It has also won listening tests amoung brickwall comparison listening tests. -- ... http://www.zmix.net From httpd@mail.itmedia.lv Mon Apr 16 01:02:21 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 2920 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Mon, 16 Apr 2007 01:02:21 UTC Received: from mail.itmedia.lv (visionmedia-40.sf.dnet.lv [89.248.80.40]) by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5FC503BFB2 for ; Mon, 16 Apr 2007 01:02:20 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail.itmedia.lv (Postfix, from userid 109) id F019B1789B; Mon, 16 Apr 2007 03:08:14 +0300 (EEST) To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Subject: IMPORTANT:Security Issues [Incident: 040921] Message-ID: <1176682094.33800.qmail@bankofamerica.com> From: "Bank Of America Security Dept." 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    From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 16 09:40:24 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BBC783BFB9; Mon, 16 Apr 2007 09:40:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <010101c7800b$1cab6a60$0207a8c0@eluk1> From: "Stephen Goodman" To: References: <588ce11d0704131646s5a2f27eel2ae7f34c2d206cdb@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Semi-OT: Music Computer/Hazardous Materials Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2007 10:39:19 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69606 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2007 09:40:24 +0000 (UTC) "Art Simon" put forth: >I tried to build a "one box" music computer where I could plug my > guitar in straight into the computer. Ultimately, I failed, the noise > from computer made the internal preamp unusable. This project goes one > better--a guy modded an old guitar amp and installed a computer inside > it. It's a couple years old, I can't believe I didn't find it until > today. > http://www.bit-tech.net/modding/2005/11/01/Creative_X-fi_Music_/1.html > I'm salivating, boy I'd love one of these. Cute idea! I would say only one negative thing about his implementation: The use of MDF (Medium Density Fiberboard) is a source for a good amount of dust unless varnished or otherwise coated - and I believe it's still made using formaldehyde, which introduces a toxic element should the box get overheated. Remember that a motherboard has to endure temperatures of 40C (110F) and above - and so a funky, musky smell would eventually emanate from the box. I know something about MDF after having managed the workmen doing the house here. English workmen (at times a conflict in terms!) will use MDF anytime they think they can get away with it - and when it is placed next to dissimilar materials like plasterboard or rock wall, cracks in separation will result over a short time. Better to use plywood, which, while a glue is used in making it, we're talking layers of wood, and not infused-glue compositing. Thanks for watching This Old PC. Next week we'll be trashing a Victorian mansion's innards and having multiple tea breaks... Stephen Goodman * * Cartoons about DVDs and Stuff * http://www.earthlight.net/HiddenTrack * The Loop Of The Week since 1996! * http://www.earthlight.net/Studios From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 16 12:33:05 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 18E2B3BFBF; Mon, 16 Apr 2007 12:33:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2007 20:32:29 -0400 From: "David Kirkdorffer" Subject: DTS / 5.1 - advice, please To: Message-id: <000c01c78087$e1c0d5c0$7ca75548@hppav> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1478 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1478 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0009_01C78066.5A28EEC0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <1196F9D6-60D1-4194-BD2B-FFC94E60A70F@gmail.com> <26ba8d120704150743m767f248fmd672fd445895231a@mail.gmail.com> <488bff07b92045ca03e5d38101c031b2@glasswing.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69607 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2007 12:33:05 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0009_01C78066.5A28EEC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Has anyone here released their music mastered for DTS or 5.1 ?=20 If so, I'd like sme advice: do's and don't.... what to look out = for...special considerations.. etc. Thanks! David=20 http://www.myspace.com/undomusic ------=_NextPart_000_0009_01C78066.5A28EEC0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
    Has anyone here released their music = mastered for=20 DTS or 5.1 ?
     
    If so, I'd like sme advice: do's and = don't.... what=20 to look out for...special considerations.. etc.
     
    Thanks!
     
    David
    http://www.myspace.com/undomusi= c
     
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    From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 16 14:20:14 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3BDE93BFC4; Mon, 16 Apr 2007 14:20:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-priority:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=G9Eic0ppoRiOEca58rneAvjr91ltpGGIm2ABVs1srIZLV3E0/iHUQTxBz42IAHtxIwLqdF6UEtBnOeDVrpCMo/UzimggQ4Co7BPkr34cH0aPb1KyOsHJzQdlvFj6OgHknTap8nqxZUTNNA8l192aaPHMxyhr1cNfljMwKK0lH3o= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-priority:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=Ufuia+mSSIpr9O/mYww9c0fMyfZbXdhFJo65uvt5t4U5caesDIoUwPrqVTtlUN6OvLxsxQgQz/xCZ98yPaJ0ZMVOYex1/Pla38yXtS9U3TRNvfgkRq/oiUiUuRz9nY9zxqRh23CLEVkbqq3T2fWBxuabwHxAzeV4yqCt6GJ0HHs= In-Reply-To: <000c01c78087$e1c0d5c0$7ca75548@hppav> References: <1196F9D6-60D1-4194-BD2B-FFC94E60A70F@gmail.com> <26ba8d120704150743m767f248fmd672fd445895231a@mail.gmail.com> <488bff07b92045ca03e5d38101c031b2@glasswing.com> <000c01c78087$e1c0d5c0$7ca75548@hppav> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: DTS / 5.1 - advice, please Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2007 16:20:02 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69608 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2007 14:20:14 +0000 (UTC) On 17 apr 2007, at 02.32, David Kirkdorffer wrote: > Has anyone here released their music mastered for DTS No. > or 5.1 ? Yes. > advice: do's and don't.... what to look out for...special > considerations.. etc. If your material is only music you don't need to use the center speaker. That makes it a lot easier to create interesting "rooms" within the four ambience speakers by working with dual stereo signals/ treatments. It's natural to think that the best tool is a "software mixer" that has a surround panning tool on each track. I too started out with that but after some time I found that I could do it much better by simply address the surround speakers directly and built whatever needed to circle, time delay, "dopplerize" - or whatever needed - the sound. I was working in Logic, but any mixer or software would do if it just has five (or six) addressable outputs for the speakers. Get four equal speakers for the mixing and burn DVD-V discs to control listen on a medium crappy home theatre movie box with Dolby. I even made the AC3 files myself and delivered them to the video guy who when mastering the movie imports the AC3 file as part of the Dolby Surround Sound (or whatever it's called). When making an AC3 (for DVD-V, DVD-A is a different story) you are given the choice of how much to compress. I chose 256 kbps and am totally happy with that audio fidelity. Do not forget to listen to all surround channels mashed into a mono bus. You have to watch out with mono compatibility, not only for phasing issues but also for musical reasons. You see, everything sounds so much better and more distinct in surround so you will become tempted to mix with less definition (as in more natural sounding), which will eventually may sound mashed up in mono when you do not have the direction of sound. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) http://tinyurl.com/2kek7h (CC donationware music releases) From code147@administrator.hyperoffice.com Mon Apr 16 17:50:46 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 1583 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Mon, 16 Apr 2007 17:50:46 UTC Received: from mail1.hyperoffice.com (mail0.hyperoffice.com [128.121.14.157]) by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 694EA3BFBF for ; Mon, 16 Apr 2007 17:50:46 +0000 (UTC) Received: from hyperoffice.com (unknown [192.168.1.39]) by mail1.hyperoffice.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 5540E3AE6FD for ; Mon, 16 Apr 2007 13:18:48 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Attn: Honourable Beneficiary From: Patrick Mensah To: Cc: Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2007 17:25:52 +0000 (GMT Standard Time) Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Message-Id: <20070416171848.5540E3AE6FD@mail1.hyperoffice.com> Attn: Honourable Beneficiary=20 =20 Re: Delivery of Funds to your Designated Address. =20 Dear Sir/Ma, =20 This is to inform you that our finance/Security company has been mandated = by the Presidency of the Republic of Ghana to remit your outstanding = funding which is in a suspense deposit account here, We shall remit your = outstanding funds in 2 boxes of consignment. =20 The management will also like to inform you that our remittance department = has been receiving different request from different individuals/companies = for the claims to the funds and a change to the beneficiary status and = account details. =20 Recently there was a formal request by Mr.Edward Ringer of Ringer = Company,Tampa Bay,Florida for the change of your account to Terrace Bank = through some individuals claiming to be your local representatives here in = Ghana. =20 The management will like you to send the following information for the = successful transfer of your funds and also to avoid the transfer of your = funds into a different nominated account and wrong beneficiary. The = information required from you are listed below: =20 1) Your Full Name 2) Your Full Address for delivery of consignment. 3) Your telephone and fax number. =20 You are required to get in touch with Mr.John Kwame who is your payment = officer on (johnkwame_147=40yahoo.it) for further instructions on how your = funds will be transferred. =20 There is an option if you want the funds to be brought to you in your = country then you can advise your payment officer on that issue. Be advised = that you have fulfilled all financial obligations required from you to get = your funds transferred into your account. =20 In regards to the present situation, a lot of people are claiming that you = gave them authority over your funds and you are therefore advised in your = own interest to cut off all communications between you and your local = representatives to avoid the wrongful transfer of your funds into another = person's account. =20 The Management will like to apologize on behalf on the Central Government = of Ghana for the long delay in transfering your funds to you. =20 On receipt of your mail or phone call to the Payment officer(Mr.John = Kwame) your funds will leave by our special diplomat within 3 working days. =20 You are advised to adhere to this instruction. =20 Congratulations. =20 Yours Sincerely, Patrick Mensah From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 16 22:32:12 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D43B93BFD2; Mon, 16 Apr 2007 22:32:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <02b201c78077$10082020$33c8f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: FW: Call for Works for the 60x60 project Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2007 16:32:02 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Resent-Message-ID: <2GaxhC.A.BGD.sl_IGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69609 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2007 22:32:12 +0000 (UTC) Looks like an interesting project for some of you. Kris ----- Original Message ----- > Dear Krispen Hartung, > > My name is Robert Voisey I am the Artistic Director of the 60x60 project. > The project is inviting composers to submit works 60 seconds or less in > length to included in its fifth annual 60x60 project. > > I have attached a call for electronic works to this email. It would be > greatly appreciated if you could pass around the call to whomever you > think > might be interested. (It would be great to get a signature work from you > too!) > > Thanks for your help, > > Sincerely > > Robert Voisey > > Call for Works for the 60x60 project > > Vox Novus is inviting composers to submit works 60 seconds or less in > length > to included in its fifth annual 60x60 project. 60 compositions will be > selected to be performed continuously in a one-hour concert, in > conjunction > with multimedia elements and an analog clock marking the passage of time. > During the concert each of the 60 pieces selected will begin precisely at > the beginning of the minute, this will mark the end of one piece and the > beginning of another. There will be no pause between the pieces. Works may > be less than 60 seconds in length, but may not exceed 60 seconds. Works > selected that are less than 60 seconds long will be "padded" with silence > either before, after, or surrounding the composition. Please note that the > total duration of the work including silence may NOT exceed sixty seconds. > The 60x60 project's definition of a record work is as follows: any work > created as a musical composition which is captured on recorded media, > which > does not require live performers for its production in broadcast at > concert > halls, radio, multi-media, etc. Its creation can include but not limited > to > acoustic instruments, voice, environmental sources, and computer > (Sampling, > MIDI, C Sound, ProTools, etc.) > > Acoustic compositions should be submitted with the understanding that it > is > their recording that is of prime importance and is what will be used to > determine its selection. Scores of works are strongly discouraged and will > not be used in the selection process. > > Excerpts of larger works are strongly discouraged. 60x60 is a project of > "signature works" and short works created specifically for the 60x60 > project. Works generated from procedures (i.e. mathematical matrices, > organizational systems, or computer programs,) remixed works, or themes > and > motives recomposed from other of the composer's own work are acceptable. > The call is open to composers of any nationality, age, or career stage. > Works submitted must not have been previously performed or broadcasted. > Compact Discs that include the audio submission must be labeled with the > composer's name and the title of the work. The submission form must be > sent > at the same time with the submitted work. Submission form must contain the > composer's name, address, email, phone number, composition title, > composition length, and track position on the compact disc. Biographies > and > program notes may be included on a separate sheet, but must be typed and > each may be no longer than 100 words in length. > > Multiple works may be submitted. Each work must be noted on the submission > form(s) and clearly indicated on the CD. Do Not send originals! No works > will be returned, and may be performed in subsequent performances after > the > debut concert. All submissions must be postmarked by May 21, 2007. > Selected > works will be announced on September 17, 2007. Submission of the work(s) > on > compact disc must be accompanied by the submission form and sent to: > 60x60 > c/o Robert Voisey > Radio City Station P.O. Box 1607 > New York, NY 10101 USA > > Deadline: Submissions must be postmarked by May 21, 2007 > > Submissions must include: Submission Form (including bio and program > notes) > and a labeled CD containing the submission in audio format. Submission > forms > can be downloaded at http://www.VoxNovus.com/60x60/Call.htm or by written > request to Vox Novus > > Works selected for the 2007 60x60 project will be announced on September > 17, > 2007. Composer will be notified of the results by email or they can visit > http://www.VoxNovus.com > Any questions regarding the call for works can be addressed to > Support@VoxNovus.com or > 60x60 > Robert Voisey, > Radio City Station, > P.O. Box 1607 > New York, New York, 10101 USA > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 17 10:37:38 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B8CB63BF80; Tue, 17 Apr 2007 10:37:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: open internet jam (not part of kybermusik) Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 12:37:51 +0200 Organization: Moinlabs Message-ID: <001e01c780dc$737d9940$1001a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Thread-Index: AceA3HNDBXgG4QpsQFGlwY97RvQb4g== X-RZG-AUTH: lUESeo99iNzPL8kuBgLYdKEqUywq9cxqeRA+BtFcSCD5deQ7OIZ28rIUkQ== X-RZG-CLASS-ID: mo07 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69610 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 10:37:38 +0000 (UTC) For those of you interested in this: t-u-b-e, a place in Munich for radiophonic music and art, is having an open internet session on 4-19 (this Thursday), starting 1800 UTC. They use their own proprietary VST plugin (available for PC and Mac), which you can also download from their website. Check out http://www.t-u-b-e.de/openplug.htm Rainer From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 17 14:01:41 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3A7B53BF69; Tue, 17 Apr 2007 14:01:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:content-type:message-id:cc:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=t/0DBmiYt8YEiO8bLA1n1g9u5TofbUw280e69NPzw7HLV+AgwjfbtZj1Tm/E5sLI0Wqaa9t9yvXzBFwiTTplgK5H6XDzuAtUkw495thX/LQvPT06d/vcyziA1opikwS1toKyb1oawx61B3ssWLTs9DuxbM9BK2cDppQpm47/bSU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:content-type:message-id:cc:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=ngOQsAHgNPxD+co5WIAZMigUsRWMWTvYfH551htJkLEhvBNHWbohkTJK9Ez7DqAd3e6yvEkogXCI7TGWPuUsX3JkbsIMh/7lB0qqjUQUh64CjMEE5SL/FGmM9K+LV0lz3ehzzf4B3EnvuAwWJqZggUI9HOkV+ln/BNximxrku84= In-Reply-To: <20070409190027.57727.qmail@web52403.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <20070409190027.57727.qmail@web52403.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Cc: Loopers Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Sustaniac audio clips (was: Re: LD Fretless track) Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 16:01:30 +0200 To: Guy Joyce X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: <7Gd11C.A.bvE.ENNJGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69611 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 14:01:41 +0000 (UTC) On 9 apr 2007, at 21.00, Guy Joyce wrote: > Hi Per > > No, I don't have a sustainiac, but I'm interested to hear what it > can do. Post a track when you've done something with it ! > > Cheers > Guy HI Guy, On friday 13 we recorded some duo improvisations on my Zoom H4. Here's one track that shows some sustainiac sound: http://www.looproom.com/audio/d.mp3 I play fretless Telecaster with the Sustainiac Model C through the laptop (in-the-box amp sim, effects and looper). Tryggve Lund, from Norway, plays C flute, radio noise and does the throat singing, though a Mackie Onyx. Tryggve borrowed my EDP and synced it to my Mobius looper software. We had a stereo pair each of Genenlec 8030A that we put up to achieve the same stereo field into the H4 recorder. Here's another, longer track, with more long sustained glissandi notes: http://www.looproom.com/audio/b.mp3 Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) http://tinyurl.com/2kek7h (CC donationware music releases) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 17 14:30:32 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B709D3BF59; Tue, 17 Apr 2007 14:30:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <011b01c780fc$f0f32910$e701a8c0@pcfabio> Reply-To: "e t e r o g e n e o" From: "e t e r o g e n e o" To: Subject: My piano looping video Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 16:30:25 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0118_01C7810D.B3D9ECB0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Spam-Rating: smtp5.aruba.it 1.6.2 0/1000/N Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69612 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 14:30:32 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0118_01C7810D.B3D9ECB0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable My piano looping video is now on youtube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DRwktlUZdWlg fabio www.eterogeneo.com ------=_NextPart_000_0118_01C7810D.B3D9ECB0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
    My piano looping video = is now on=20 youtube:
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    ------=_NextPart_000_0118_01C7810D.B3D9ECB0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 17 17:17:57 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BE8BD3BF5A; Tue, 17 Apr 2007 17:17:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.ca; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=DL6SfFzMjn5vdThHU9MBcpFN+MyFHVA6fa6Q52huuvAypJNnm4G+i+5slc1nD/aTCBCd0vvBztFpZjECru5iTFQ+xN1U4pBtsKpEzSZ5tQyU3WDwFHAE0EoS79PJ6gyGeyIVYdjr9ADbg0Gu47X0Q5vOxaxmU5Fekj4CCobliAU=; X-YMail-OSG: n2JIaDUVM1m1OJeElhcg7B4Sr9tSB5nENllE2uAbJea0IWIDawTgBFk0sPyTYHqP13Je12tYDKOTXFcfcm6J_fTbgbd9yq0PYM.iu4VsMMRjIWUf5aHqz.lTox5PoQ-- Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 13:17:54 -0400 (EDT) From: Brent Santin Subject: Help: RC-20XL or Digitech Jam-Man? Quantize feature? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <197013.83831.qm@web31006.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: <7129VC.A.KhC.FFQJGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69613 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 17:17:57 +0000 (UTC) Hi! I plan to loop live (flutes, keyboards, vocal sounds), i.e. on stage. I've been playing with a very basic looping pedal, and am really enjoying the results (it's a cheap ZOOM pedal which is basically is an endless digital delay). I regularly set it for about a 2 second delay (although it can go up to 6 seconds), then record a short sound like a click and listen to the click repeat so that I can get a feel for the timing. I then layer sounds & beats on top of this. If find that if I use anything longer than a 2 second digital delay, it's too long between my reference clicks to feel the beat, so I keep the delay time short. The problem with this short time is that while it's good for building rhythms, there's not enough time to put down a good bass line or even more than one chord. So, I've been considering a looping pedal with a built in click track/metronome so I can reliably keep my timing over loops that might be up to four or eight bars of 4/4 in length. I need some help in deciding between the Digi-tech Jam-Man or the BOSS RC-20XL. Those are the two looping pedals in my price range with a built in click-track. Right off the bat, the Digitech seems to have better features for the money (especially the flash memory & USB connections, XLR mic connector). But it is missing one feature that the BOSS has: the QUANTIZE function. I assume that when I press the STOP RECORDING pedal, this function clips or edits the end of the sample to match the nearest beat of the click-track, thereby keeping the sample in sync with the click-track. i.e. If I recorded a a one bar 4/4 sample that, but was slightly late in hitting the STOP pedal, QUANTIZE would chop the extra few milliseconds off the sample so that it would end properly on the "4" beat. How important is this feature? It seems important to me (just from reading). The Digitech Jam-Man does not offer this function. So does that mean if I do not hit the STOP RECORDING pedal at the exact end-beat the click-track provides, my loops will eventually drift away from the metronome timing? This is my main concern. I need my loops (I guess the foundation loop, anyway) to be dead on with the internal click track of the pedal. If I need the QUANTIZE function for this, I guess I will have to go with the BOSS, even though it offers fewer features. Thanks in advance for your advice! Be smarter than spam. See how smart SpamGuard is at giving junk email the boot with the All-new Yahoo! Mail at http://mrd.mail.yahoo.com/try_beta?.intl=ca From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 17 17:38:51 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E054E3BF65; Tue, 17 Apr 2007 17:38:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=hE1gO8E/WL3plDq/BOfBV2q/hYyIFp7TqBHm7TNFvH96BcQEDNvSOxhvjviG4ReLArsWJivX5jE0Qq1YKCvZ4fuFbQl0z2UdncaAfeHEZgupv2ire1erJVOnZuATsAchuA84jNgn4fguWzniKE9R+8rjvU7hVfR7iFQy71FvOUg= ; Message-ID: <20070417173849.2214.qmail@web34309.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: luWFFBoVM1l2QJPe_4fVe8JzQkoUQ3gJ2KMXEKZyNnSVWaO08u5xcTqRh9978rigcnZ8DX3KYnAe.RDRWhsuQTbRNdUcO7eAFfYVD3vaqNIJC5UA1TIZ3G6rZck51Q-- Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 10:38:49 -0700 (PDT) From: Brian Kupferschmid Subject: Re: Help: RC-20XL or Digitech Jam-Man? Quantize feature? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <197013.83831.qm@web31006.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69614 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 17:38:51 +0000 (UTC) To me, it sounds like your need of the quantizing feature is more important that the ability to store and save loops, to which I'd say get the rc20xl. --- Brent Santin wrote: > Hi! > > I plan to loop live (flutes, keyboards, vocal > sounds), > i.e. on stage. > > I've been playing with a very basic looping pedal, > and > am really enjoying the results (it's a cheap ZOOM > pedal which is basically is an endless digital > delay). > I regularly set it for about a 2 second delay > (although it can go up to 6 seconds), then record a > short sound like a click and listen to the click > repeat so that I can get a feel for the timing. I > then layer sounds & beats on top of this. > > If find that if I use anything longer than a 2 > second > digital delay, it's too long between my reference > clicks to feel the beat, so I keep the delay time > short. > > The problem with this short time is that while it's > good for building rhythms, there's not enough time > to > put down a good bass line or even more than one > chord. > > So, I've been considering a looping pedal with a > built > in click track/metronome so I can reliably keep my > timing over loops that might be up to four or eight > bars of 4/4 in length. > > I need some help in deciding between the Digi-tech > Jam-Man or the BOSS RC-20XL. Those are the two > looping pedals in my price range with a built in > click-track. > > Right off the bat, the Digitech seems to have better > features for the money (especially the flash memory > & > USB connections, XLR mic connector). > > But it is missing one feature that the BOSS has: the > QUANTIZE function. I assume that when I press the > STOP RECORDING pedal, this function clips or edits > the > end of the sample to match the nearest beat of the > click-track, thereby keeping the sample in sync with > the click-track. i.e. If I recorded a a one bar 4/4 > sample that, but was slightly late in hitting the > STOP > pedal, QUANTIZE would chop the extra few > milliseconds > off the sample so that it would end properly on the > "4" beat. > > How important is this feature? It seems important > to > me (just from reading). > > The Digitech Jam-Man does not offer this function. > So > does that mean if I do not hit the STOP RECORDING > pedal at the exact end-beat the click-track > provides, > my loops will eventually drift away from the > metronome > timing? > > This is my main concern. I need my loops (I guess > the > foundation loop, anyway) to be dead on with the > internal click track of the pedal. If I need the > QUANTIZE function for this, I guess I will have to > go > with the BOSS, even though it offers fewer features. > > Thanks in advance for your advice! > > > Be smarter than spam. See how smart SpamGuard > is at giving junk email the boot with the All-new > Yahoo! Mail at > http://mrd.mail.yahoo.com/try_beta?.intl=ca > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 17 17:40:16 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4AEF53BF87; Tue, 17 Apr 2007 17:40:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Originating-IP: [216.113.128.239] X-Identified-User: {864:box76.bluehost.com:kevinkis:kevinkissinger.com} {sentby:webmail from 216.113.128.239} Message-ID: <20070417124003.j6ql4f1uog04gwwc@69.89.21.76> Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 12:40:03 -0500 From: kkissinger@kevinkissinger.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Help: RC-20XL or Digitech Jam-Man? Quantize feature? References: <197013.83831.qm@web31006.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <197013.83831.qm@web31006.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.3) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69615 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 17:40:16 +0000 (UTC) Quoting Brent Santin : > ... the > QUANTIZE function... > ...I need my loops (I guess the > foundation loop, anyway) to be dead on with the > internal click track of the pedal. If I need the > QUANTIZE function for this, I guess I will have to go > with the BOSS, even though it offers fewer features. Though I don't have experience with the models of equipment you =20 mentioned, I understand your question. Like you, I want to create very =20 tight rhythmns that stay in sync. I own a Boss RC50. While the RC50 has been (rightfully) criticized =20 because it won't sync up with computers and other equipment its =20 quantize feature is very useful (I am pleased with the RC50 as a =20 stand-alone unit). That is, I can record a single one-bar loop and =20 then, while it plays, record other loops that are longer -- the RC50 =20 quantizes such that the long loops are always integrally related to =20 the short loop. However, for less than one bar -- the RC50 won't do the deed. My =20 latest experiments are to team up a digital delay (actually, my DSP =20 V55 fx unit) so that I can lay down short (one beat) loops and capture =20 them with the RC50. Since the DPS V55 can have up to four independent =20 delays of different lengths, it means that I can put together =20 syncopated patterns, capture them to the RC50, then superimpose longer =20 loops over that pattern. So, to answer your question, I have found the ability to sync/quantize =20 loops very useful and, as you point out, to create correlated loops =20 manually means that the loops are subject to sync drift. Happy looping! -- Kevin From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 17 17:45:32 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A5D5C3BF88; Tue, 17 Apr 2007 17:45:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at cavesofice.org Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 13:45:12 -0400 (EDT) From: burnett@pobox.com X-X-Sender: badger@giggles.cavesofice.org To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: [LOOP] Help: RC-20XL or Digitech Jam-Man? Quantize feature? In-Reply-To: <197013.83831.qm@web31006.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: References: <197013.83831.qm@web31006.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69616 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 17:45:32 +0000 (UTC) On Tue, 17 Apr 2007, Brent Santin wrote: > I need some help in deciding between the Digi-tech > Jam-Man or the BOSS RC-20XL. Those are the two > looping pedals in my price range with a built in > click-track. > > Right off the bat, the Digitech seems to have better > features for the money (especially the flash memory & > USB connections, XLR mic connector). > > But it is missing one feature that the BOSS has: the > QUANTIZE function. I assume that when I press the I don't use Quantize, but from the rest of your email it seems important to you, so go for the RC-20XL. I have both pedals and use both. For me, I like the greater # of loops permissible on the Jamman, and I like the USB connectivity. But the RC-20 and the XL both have a "reverse" feature, and can run on batteries. I like the Boss reverse loop feature, and I like the ability to use one less power adapter at times, so I use both my Boss and Digitech. Steve B Subscape Annex http://www.subscapeannex.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 17 17:49:07 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 72C563BF93; Tue, 17 Apr 2007 17:49:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=kz4HhzmZHErKvKrLnUsw50SGNsX/tQOjQ6pL/Cikcec9+yDSNmweK3pAjCg4x3cvdxytHJ60uDyoUPZiEocDX3FBBZ/sZ97VCT7vMv7oSF7s/poL4SqZQ+J9v8IT7P5rJLNWJlxNhbKFba/trpQpkQc2w0YDVfkii2CtZPSaEW4=; X-YMail-OSG: qnbxe7EVM1mmSyrfx7UT6w8fItMgy3.kvbpbfe9hMsfrtWeG4Xjdh545eIzwAe6xZ9c85lkWYMkO0cQzxIHL2lfrH9cKb1XFzSWr202OOdmb9XTiGIE- Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 10:49:06 -0700 (PDT) From: Stephen Scott Subject: Re: Help: RC-20XL or Digitech Jam-Man? Quantize feature? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20070417124003.j6ql4f1uog04gwwc@69.89.21.76> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-209794713-1176832146=:20717" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <151181.20717.qm@web53009.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69617 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 17:49:07 +0000 (UTC) --0-209794713-1176832146=:20717 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit kkissinger@kevinkissinger.com wrote: ....... That is, I can record a single one-bar loop and then, while it plays, record other loops that are longer -- the RC50 quantizes such that the long loops are always integrally related to the short loop. ....... Wow, that's a handy feature. I wasn't aware of this potential. This would be really useful for me. Stephen --------------------------------- Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell? Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos. --0-209794713-1176832146=:20717 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit

    kkissinger@kevinkissinger.com wrote:
      .......

    That is, I can record a single one-bar loop and
    then, while it plays, record other loops that are longer -- the RC50
    quantizes such that the long loops are always integrally related to
    the short loop.

    .......
    Wow, that's a handy feature.  I wasn't aware of this potential.  This would be really useful for me.

    Stephen

    Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell?
    Check out new cars at Yahoo! Autos. --0-209794713-1176832146=:20717-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 17 17:52:18 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BB3263BF7D; Tue, 17 Apr 2007 17:52:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=JVw3gyBFnHnrFQHadjaSi6uodUgFXoREv4/0mpF0/oYzn4RT/p9SaJX8A5MbyZAOFcLqFy7MPYTwOfeWgDotq3qhXwWnHXohS211UcPZataCybJzyRIAgaPZ1IiSsbRtB9nJfbzMKH88DCXd7BNFMUjpm9BqKCqYrMJj0b3cbn0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=P4iWM3C5qxj2VNE1TsX6WFu22ozxfkFpy2AZEuJf+4HOc7VWBj8ZttQmPdsB4EB5pio2b5+4Pj8XamPsnt+P8N/G6DCGZGITFevSHVgFl+Llcj3k1vMimdG95UWzjceSebr5LyXY+/2CyVcD0GLytXKtE7lPbsSPOuRQ+b0j6xM= Message-ID: Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 13:52:16 -0400 From: "radio radio" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Help: RC-20XL or Digitech Jam-Man? Quantize feature? In-Reply-To: <197013.83831.qm@web31006.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <197013.83831.qm@web31006.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69618 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 17:52:18 +0000 (UTC) I actually owned both the RC20XL and the Digitech jamman each for about a month, for a while I had them both together to compare (before I returned them both and upgraded to a more expensive looper). I would say that if you are absolutely committed to having auto-quantize, which I'm pretty sure is in fact how you describe it, then you clearly need the boss. Since I was able to live with and compare both of these pedals, though, here are some other things I would consider: overall, I preferred the boss anyway. It just seemed more "friendly." I actually preferred the sound quality, as the "distortion" that reviewers describe sounded "musical" as in "good" to me, not distorted like heavy metal or like a crappy system, and the "clean" sampling rate of the digitech sounded a little too clean/dry/crisp/unnatural/cold to me. It's hard to describe why it in general seemed more "friendly" to me, perhaps the user interface, like how the pedals worked, etc., had a hand in that. I had no interest in USB capability, although I didn't think either that I would care much about storing loops, but that is a nice feature of the digitech that you realize after you fill up your boss. Also, I'm wary of the reviewers that had a digitech crap out on them. That all being stated, I think that with some practice you can get better with your timing as to when you end a loop (and also as to what you play within the loop), which makes the auto-quantize and the metronome less essential. Also, that click track is very annoying to anyone other than you (and, after a week, to you too), so if you really are considering playing out I would strongly recommend against using the click track anyway. That being stated, however, the digitech has a few options as to what the click sounds like (e.g., bass, bass, bass, high-hat) whereas the boss just has one that sounds more like a metronome. All of this of course assumes that you can't follow the LED of the metronome with the sound muted, which I certainly can't, although you can mute the click on either one. Hope those considerations help, Eben On 4/17/07, Brent Santin wrote: > Hi! > > I plan to loop live (flutes, keyboards, vocal sounds), > i.e. on stage. > > I've been playing with a very basic looping pedal, and > am really enjoying the results (it's a cheap ZOOM > pedal which is basically is an endless digital delay). > I regularly set it for about a 2 second delay > (although it can go up to 6 seconds), then record a > short sound like a click and listen to the click > repeat so that I can get a feel for the timing. I > then layer sounds & beats on top of this. > > If find that if I use anything longer than a 2 second > digital delay, it's too long between my reference > clicks to feel the beat, so I keep the delay time > short. > > The problem with this short time is that while it's > good for building rhythms, there's not enough time to > put down a good bass line or even more than one chord. > > So, I've been considering a looping pedal with a built > in click track/metronome so I can reliably keep my > timing over loops that might be up to four or eight > bars of 4/4 in length. > > I need some help in deciding between the Digi-tech > Jam-Man or the BOSS RC-20XL. Those are the two > looping pedals in my price range with a built in > click-track. > > Right off the bat, the Digitech seems to have better > features for the money (especially the flash memory & > USB connections, XLR mic connector). > > But it is missing one feature that the BOSS has: the > QUANTIZE function. I assume that when I press the > STOP RECORDING pedal, this function clips or edits the > end of the sample to match the nearest beat of the > click-track, thereby keeping the sample in sync with > the click-track. i.e. If I recorded a a one bar 4/4 > sample that, but was slightly late in hitting the STOP > pedal, QUANTIZE would chop the extra few milliseconds > off the sample so that it would end properly on the > "4" beat. > > How important is this feature? It seems important to > me (just from reading). > > The Digitech Jam-Man does not offer this function. So > does that mean if I do not hit the STOP RECORDING > pedal at the exact end-beat the click-track provides, > my loops will eventually drift away from the metronome > timing? > > This is my main concern. I need my loops (I guess the > foundation loop, anyway) to be dead on with the > internal click track of the pedal. If I need the > QUANTIZE function for this, I guess I will have to go > with the BOSS, even though it offers fewer features. > > Thanks in advance for your advice! > > > Be smarter than spam. See how smart SpamGuard is at giving junk email the boot with the All-new Yahoo! Mail at http://mrd.mail.yahoo.com/try_beta?.intl=ca > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 17 17:56:34 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C31A53BF8E; Tue, 17 Apr 2007 17:56:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Originating-IP: [216.113.128.239] X-Identified-User: {864:box76.bluehost.com:kevinkis:kevinkissinger.com} {sentby:webmail from 216.113.128.239} Message-ID: <20070417125632.wpoka2h59ckc4k0c@69.89.21.76> Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 12:56:32 -0500 From: kkissinger@kevinkissinger.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, Stephen Scott Subject: Re: Help: RC-20XL or Digitech Jam-Man? Quantize feature? References: <151181.20717.qm@web53009.mail.re2.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <151181.20717.qm@web53009.mail.re2.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.3) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69619 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 17:56:34 +0000 (UTC) Quoting Stephen Scott : > > > kkissinger@kevinkissinger.com wrote: ....... > > That is, I can record a single one-bar loop and > then, while it plays, record other loops that are longer -- the RC50 > quantizes such that the long loops are always integrally related to > the short loop. > > ....... > Wow, that's a handy feature. I wasn't aware of this potential. > This would be really useful for me. > > Stephen I should mention that this feature is user-settable -- you can operate it as three independent (unsync'd) loops or sync two or all three of them. It also does the opposite, too... you can start with a long loop -- when you press the pedal to end the loop, the RC50 internally calculates the tempo and the number of bars. You can then create short loops -- when you end those loops the RC50 will round (quantize) them to the nearest bar. -- Kevin From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 17 18:18:14 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0185B3BF76; Tue, 17 Apr 2007 18:18:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.ca; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=Is/x+wau6p1wpBs8nOgaCzHQrM1mcZNislaSXa1ZMMYx74JPbOHcB7PwCiqOvCGjPP5u8AuZcgZkFd7MiWkFB5bx0nL8cOuQHPW0abnpmqeqjb2AcfyzY0sl7jNYRUInvUbv4P/XNXSm/8aqQATK4HL60a1BDjjzPgmITTLwZX8=; X-YMail-OSG: aDg53zcVM1mrlb2Idb88II.LkipVpe0wDAPbTpKqWuHGIGMxcqkoHgGJYs2bLjpr_L75bEOfCmwpPG8_Q5PJPOyG57gA5GoZutU5o2.eEYOALJvSNGgZGUa3f0s_dw-- Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 14:18:12 -0400 (EDT) From: Brent Santin Subject: Re: [LOOP] Help: RC-20XL or Digitech Jam-Man? Quantize feature? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <288993.92820.qm@web31011.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69620 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 18:18:13 +0000 (UTC) Wow! Thanks for all of your quick replies. So just to clear up.... 1. Is my understanding of the way the QUANTIZE feature on the RC-20XL even correct (i.e. it chops off the end of the sample to the nearest metronome beat)? I am just reading the online review/manuals, which tend to be unclear, and haven't actually used the unit. 2. Am I correct in thinking that although the Digitech Jam-Man does have an internal metronome, it's entirely "un-connected" to the sampling section of the unit....i.e. if your RECORD ON/OFF pedal stomps are NOT precisely on the beat, they will just loop on their own time and eventually drift from the metronome? I can't really see what use the metronome in the Digitech is, then (as it would be almost impossible for a human to have millisecond accuracy on stage - and even a quarter second inaccuracty will mean timing drifts over the space of a 5 minute song). If the answer to these questions are YES then I will definitely have to go with the BOSS pedal. Too bad they don't offer anything with MIDI at this price range. It's interesting that the RC-20XL won't do short loops of less than a bar! (i.e. 1 second). I had no idea that this was so. Looks like I will have to keep my Zoom pedal/delay for stuff of that sort. Get a sneak peak at messages with a handy reading pane with All new Yahoo! Mail: http://mrd.mail.yahoo.com/try_beta?.intl=ca From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 17 18:22:56 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 21F0E3BF78; Tue, 17 Apr 2007 18:22:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Subject: RE: [LOOP] Help: RC-20XL or Digitech Jam-Man? Quantize feature? Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 13:22:44 -0500 Message-ID: <754FACAF985AF346A216CAE674CA22A602D0A9@es002.WSI-MAIN.COM> In-Reply-To: <288993.92820.qm@web31011.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [LOOP] Help: RC-20XL or Digitech Jam-Man? Quantize feature? Thread-Index: AceBHMOJM4oRwobXQOm7p2t6ihRxSwAAEYPQ From: "Jim Bailey" To: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69621 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 18:22:55 +0000 (UTC) The metronome on the RC-50XL is independent of the recording as well. And mine has about 8 different sound arrays(kick,kick,kick,high hat ect) as well as the regular...irritating click track. I've never used a Jam-Man but love my RC-50XL for what its worth. -----Original Message----- From: Brent Santin [mailto:woodenflutes@yahoo.ca]=20 Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 1:18 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: [LOOP] Help: RC-20XL or Digitech Jam-Man? Quantize feature? Wow! Thanks for all of your quick replies. So just to clear up.... 1. Is my understanding of the way the QUANTIZE feature on the RC-20XL even correct (i.e. it chops off the end of the sample to the nearest metronome beat)? I am just reading the online review/manuals, which tend to be unclear, and haven't actually used the unit. 2. Am I correct in thinking that although the Digitech Jam-Man does have an internal metronome, it's entirely "un-connected" to the sampling section of the unit....i.e. if your RECORD ON/OFF pedal stomps are NOT precisely on the beat, they will just loop on their own time and eventually drift from the metronome? I can't really see what use the metronome in the Digitech is, then (as it would be almost impossible for a human to have millisecond accuracy on stage - and even a quarter second inaccuracty will mean timing drifts over the space of a 5 minute song). If the answer to these questions are YES then I will definitely have to go with the BOSS pedal. Too bad they don't offer anything with MIDI at this price range. It's interesting that the RC-20XL won't do short loops of less than a bar! (i.e. 1 second). I had no idea that this was so. Looks like I will have to keep my Zoom pedal/delay for stuff of that sort. Get a sneak peak at messages with a handy reading pane with All new Yahoo! Mail: http://mrd.mail.yahoo.com/try_beta?.intl=3Dca From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 17 18:35:55 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 27F933BF7D; Tue, 17 Apr 2007 18:35:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Originating-IP: [216.113.128.239] X-Identified-User: {864:box76.bluehost.com:kevinkis:kevinkissinger.com} {sentby:webmail from 216.113.128.239} Message-ID: <20070417133552.9gyh6w4fks0oo4sg@69.89.21.76> Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 13:35:52 -0500 From: kkissinger@kevinkissinger.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, Brent Santin Subject: Re: [LOOP] Help: RC-20XL or Digitech Jam-Man? Quantize feature? References: <288993.92820.qm@web31011.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <288993.92820.qm@web31011.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.3) Resent-Message-ID: <_2-nCB.A.8v.KORJGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69622 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 18:35:55 +0000 (UTC) Quoting Brent Santin : > It's interesting that the RC-20XL won't do short loops > of less than a bar! (i.e. 1 second). I had no idea > that this was so. Looks like I will have to keep my > Zoom pedal/delay for stuff of that sort. > Brent, My comment about the "not less than one bar" applied to my RC50 =20 model... the RC-20XL may behave differently. With regards to click tracks, I have resorted to incorporating little =20 "ostinato" patterns into my work to keep things together without click =20 tracks. I kind of like the notion that elements serve both a musical =20 and logistical purpose. Again, speaking about the RC50 -- if the guide is turned "on" (that =20 is, the metronome) then the loop endings are quantized to the guide's =20 tempo. If the guide is turned "off" then the RC50 uses the sample's =20 length to calculate the number of bars and tempo. How it does this is =20 a bit of a mystery to me -- I think it finds the nearest tempo that is =20 below 120bpm that causes an end-of-measure to occur precisely at the =20 end-point of the loop. I have yet to do detailed experiments with =20 this though... the instruction manual doesn't really explain exactly =20 how it does this. Anyway, your question was about the RC-20XL and my comments were =20 really meant as general observations about syncing/quantization =20 because my only experience is with the RC50. Hope this clears up any misunderstanding. -- Kevin From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 17 18:38:44 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A34FD3BF64; Tue, 17 Apr 2007 18:38:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Originating-IP: [216.113.128.239] X-Identified-User: {864:box76.bluehost.com:kevinkis:kevinkissinger.com} {sentby:webmail from 216.113.128.239} Message-ID: <20070417133841.o8fmrk8dssgo04gg@69.89.21.76> Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 13:38:41 -0500 From: kkissinger@kevinkissinger.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: [LOOP] Help: RC-20XL or Digitech Jam-Man? Quantize feature? References: <754FACAF985AF346A216CAE674CA22A602D0A9@es002.WSI-MAIN.COM> In-Reply-To: <754FACAF985AF346A216CAE674CA22A602D0A9@es002.WSI-MAIN.COM> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.3) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69623 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 18:38:44 +0000 (UTC) Quoting Jim Bailey : > The metronome on the RC-50XL is independent of the recording as well. > And mine has about 8 different sound arrays(kick,kick,kick,high hat ect) > as well as the regular...irritating click track. > > I've never used a Jam-Man but love my RC-50XL for what its worth. Hi Jim, Well, I just posted that the metronome is synced with the recording! I think this may depend on the sync settings for the loops. :) I'll revisit the issue this evening. Yep, I enjoy the RC50, too. -- Kevin From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 17 19:08:17 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 43F7C3BF4E; Tue, 17 Apr 2007 19:08:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Sjaak" To: Subject: RE: My piano looping video Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 21:07:48 +0200 Message-ID: <000001c78123$b4529d20$020313ac@SOVERGAAUW> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0001_01C78134.77DB6D20" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6822 Importance: Normal Thread-Index: AceA/PaOnlcRugp9SbCjDrpq/2QVAgAJXSIg In-Reply-To: <011b01c780fc$f0f32910$e701a8c0@pcfabio> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-DCC-scarlet.be-Metrics: guri 20001; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69624 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 19:08:17 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C78134.77DB6D20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Fabio, Very nice. Interesting to hear there are more live piano loopers :)=20 =20 Btw, I have 2 looping pedal's and a sustain pedal located on the floor = at my feet but it's becoming a little crowded over there. Imo, as a pianist or keyboard player you simply have less space and visibility compared to guitarists. Any tips?=20 =20 Sjaak=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C78134.77DB6D20 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message
    Fabio,
    Very nice. Interesting to hear there are = more live=20 piano loopers :)
     
    Btw, I have 2 looping pedal's and a = sustain=20 pedal located on the floor at my feet but it's becoming a little crowded = over=20 there. Imo, as a pianist or keyboard player you simply have = less space=20 and visibility compared to guitarists.=20 Any=20 tips? 
     
    Sjaak 
    ------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C78134.77DB6D20-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 18 00:13:23 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8D4F23BF36; Wed, 18 Apr 2007 00:13:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <004001c78152$5c034cd0$0401a8c0@arc12> From: "arcmotion" To: References: <197013.83831.qm@web31006.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: RC-20XL or Digitech Jam-Man? Quantize feature? Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 08:41:52 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1807 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1807 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69625 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 00:13:23 +0000 (UTC) The jamman produces the click track.. and as long as you end the loop in time with the click track and pretty much on the beat (which is very easy) then it loops with your own instrument input. Now these two tracks...the click and the loop itself are linked ...they will never drift apart. For me the jamman is much simpler and easier to use for this. My only guess is that this quantizing might be aimed at the more rythmically challenged who cannot tap their foot to a metranome. I also own the rc50 and suspect some of the sync and timing issues (a great machine once you get to know it) might have been avoided had they taken the jamman approach. ---- Original Message ----- From: "Brent Santin" To: Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 1:17 AM Subject: Help: RC-20XL or Digitech Jam-Man? Quantize feature? > Hi! > > I plan to loop live (flutes, keyboards, vocal sounds), > i.e. on stage. > > I've been playing with a very basic looping pedal, and > am really enjoying the results (it's a cheap ZOOM > pedal which is basically is an endless digital delay). > I regularly set it for about a 2 second delay > (although it can go up to 6 seconds), then record a > short sound like a click and listen to the click > repeat so that I can get a feel for the timing. I > then layer sounds & beats on top of this. > > If find that if I use anything longer than a 2 second > digital delay, it's too long between my reference > clicks to feel the beat, so I keep the delay time > short. > > The problem with this short time is that while it's > good for building rhythms, there's not enough time to > put down a good bass line or even more than one chord. > > So, I've been considering a looping pedal with a built > in click track/metronome so I can reliably keep my > timing over loops that might be up to four or eight > bars of 4/4 in length. > > I need some help in deciding between the Digi-tech > Jam-Man or the BOSS RC-20XL. Those are the two > looping pedals in my price range with a built in > click-track. > > Right off the bat, the Digitech seems to have better > features for the money (especially the flash memory & > USB connections, XLR mic connector). > > But it is missing one feature that the BOSS has: the > QUANTIZE function. I assume that when I press the > STOP RECORDING pedal, this function clips or edits the > end of the sample to match the nearest beat of the > click-track, thereby keeping the sample in sync with > the click-track. i.e. If I recorded a a one bar 4/4 > sample that, but was slightly late in hitting the STOP > pedal, QUANTIZE would chop the extra few milliseconds > off the sample so that it would end properly on the > "4" beat. > > How important is this feature? It seems important to > me (just from reading). > > The Digitech Jam-Man does not offer this function. So > does that mean if I do not hit the STOP RECORDING > pedal at the exact end-beat the click-track provides, > my loops will eventually drift away from the metronome > timing? > > This is my main concern. I need my loops (I guess the > foundation loop, anyway) to be dead on with the > internal click track of the pedal. If I need the > QUANTIZE function for this, I guess I will have to go > with the BOSS, even though it offers fewer features. > > Thanks in advance for your advice! > > > Be smarter than spam. See how smart SpamGuard is at giving junk email the boot with the All-new Yahoo! Mail at http://mrd.mail.yahoo.com/try_beta?.intl=ca > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 18 00:31:17 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 41D9F3BF3F; Wed, 18 Apr 2007 00:31:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com In-Reply-To: <011b01c780fc$f0f32910$e701a8c0@pcfabio> To: "e t e r o g e n e o" Cc: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: My piano looping video MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Lotus Notes 652HF83 November 04, 2004 From: Larry C Tremblay X-MIMETrack: S/MIME Sign by Notes Client on Larry C Tremblay/GTS/CSC(652HF83|November 04, 2004) at 04/17/2007 08:31:16 PM, Serialize by Notes Client on Larry C Tremblay/GTS/CSC(652HF83|November 04, 2004) at 04/17/2007 08:31:16 PM, Serialize complete at 04/17/2007 08:31:16 PM, S/MIME Sign failed at 04/17/2007 08:31:16 PM: The cryptographic key was not found, Serialize by Router on AMER-GW09/SRV/CSC(Release 7.0.2FP1 HF16|January 29, 2007) at 04/17/2007 08:29:56 PM, Serialize complete at 04/17/2007 08:29:56 PM Message-ID: Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 20:31:11 -0400 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=_alternative 0002DCDD852572C1_=" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69626 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 00:31:16 +0000 (UTC) This is a multipart message in MIME format. --=_alternative 0002DCDD852572C1_= Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Hey Fabio - That was beautiful and well done. My girlfriend came into the room and asked me who it was and thought it was beautiful - "very pretty.." too. Now THAT'S an endorsement. - Larry -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is a PRIVATE message. If you are not the intended recipient, please delete without copying and kindly advise us by e-mail of the mistake in delivery. 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    Hey Fabio - That was beautiful and well done. My girlfriend came into the room and asked me who it was and thought it
    was beautiful - "very pretty.." too.

    Now THAT'S an endorsement.

    - Larry
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    My piano looping video is now on youtube:
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    fabio
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    From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 18 03:08:09 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AF5A43BF3B; Wed, 18 Apr 2007 03:08:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.ca; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=nXJX46Ov8iw3EX4iB5zm/QImm27nlwxNUP03L+EVeg9H6gSGRNUaj/MNdRMSll78VMe+bPiAvvw7TSS9raU4Mu+blz8i8waW/WWfwR/tUz1qSE7renJCau3ByfU5YIa8v9KqGOmWxgq8njX1sWjiomFMZ+0vFmuSclgN6UvyFoE=; X-YMail-OSG: nPCDXb4VM1l6s85fwZoNBaUo3khoRH5_r_udoEZt9nyy1Zxean6E3RFTsZmTxqi1hD6MHv4lbtE7qRo8h_prnRXGh2.Qgag54Ho6frEu8_NNdREuDgPSKvvyvFD_QQ-- Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 23:08:06 -0400 (EDT) From: Brent Santin Subject: RE: [LOOP] Help: RC-20XL or Digitech Jam-Man? Quantize feature? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20070417133841.o8fmrk8dssgo04gg@69.89.21.76> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <433366.8299.qm@web31009.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69627 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 03:08:09 +0000 (UTC) Once again thanks to everyone for the advice. However, I just thought of something: It seems to me that the Boss RC-20XL's QUANTIZE feature is really only handy when you are creating the "foundation" loop that all your overdubs are layered onto. QUANTIZE makes sure that this foundation loop is lined up with the tempo. If I understand things correcntly, then once you have that accurate foundation track established, you really don't need the QUANTIZE feature for the overdubs, because any overdubs you do are going to be locked to the foundation loops length/timing anyway, right? My main "fear" (and hence initial attraction to the Boss' QUANTIZE feature) is to be on stage, trying to lay down that main foundation beat, and f'ing it up by not hitting the pedal at the right time. BUT: Assuming I bought the Digitech Jam-Man, couldn't I avoid this problem by creating a whole bunch of basic, accurate "foundation" loops (i.e. a simple hi-hat backings) in the comfort of my own home (under no pressure), then store them in the memory of the Digitech pedal and call them up on stage to do live overdubs upon? I would essentially be using these "prepared loops" like a metronome to layer live stuff upon. Live overdubs can't possibly go out of time, I assume, because they must be the same length/cycle as the "foundation" loop, correct? If this seems to make sense (and I hope it does), then this solution seems to solve things...meaning I could purchase the Digitech pedal and take advantage of all the memory locations it has. Get news delivered with the All new Yahoo! Mail. Enjoy RSS feeds right on your Mail page. Start today at http://mrd.mail.yahoo.com/try_beta?.intl=ca From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 18 03:23:40 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 057ED3BF30; Wed, 18 Apr 2007 03:23:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <003e01c7816c$f31d6730$0401a8c0@arc12> From: "arcmotion" To: References: <433366.8299.qm@web31009.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [LOOP] Help: RC-20XL or Digitech Jam-Man? Quantize feature? Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 11:52:12 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1807 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1807 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69628 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 03:23:39 +0000 (UTC) acctually thats what jamman suggest you to do....just put down some prerecorded beats ...and you can store them ..ready to go. and if you get the optional foot pedal then its a breeze to move from prerecorded rythm to rythm on the fly...but you cant save the loops that you create in this mode without stopping to save. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brent Santin" To: Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 11:08 AM Subject: RE: [LOOP] Help: RC-20XL or Digitech Jam-Man? Quantize feature? > Once again thanks to everyone for the advice. > > However, I just thought of something: It seems to me > that the Boss RC-20XL's QUANTIZE feature is really > only handy when you are creating the "foundation" loop > that all your overdubs are layered onto. QUANTIZE > makes sure that this foundation loop is lined up with > the tempo. If I understand things correcntly, then > once you have that accurate foundation track > established, you really don't need the QUANTIZE > feature for the overdubs, because any overdubs you do > are going to be locked to the foundation loops > length/timing anyway, right? > > My main "fear" (and hence initial attraction to the > Boss' QUANTIZE feature) is to be on stage, trying to > lay down that main foundation beat, and f'ing it up by > not hitting the pedal at the right time. > > BUT: Assuming I bought the Digitech Jam-Man, couldn't > I avoid this problem by creating a whole bunch of > basic, accurate "foundation" loops (i.e. a simple > hi-hat backings) in the comfort of my own home (under > no pressure), then store them in the memory of the > Digitech pedal and call them up on stage to do live > overdubs upon? I would essentially be using these > "prepared loops" like a metronome to layer live stuff > upon. Live overdubs can't possibly go out of time, I > assume, because they must be the same length/cycle as > the "foundation" loop, correct? > > If this seems to make sense (and I hope it does), then > this solution seems to solve things...meaning I could > purchase the Digitech pedal and take advantage of all > the memory locations it has. > > > Get news delivered with the All new Yahoo! Mail. Enjoy RSS feeds right on your Mail page. Start today at http://mrd.mail.yahoo.com/try_beta?.intl=ca > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 18 08:02:36 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 12C363BF2A; Wed, 18 Apr 2007 08:02:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.fr; h=Received:X-YMail-OSG:Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=Ca6xJ0bcrCjX2q14cNvKd4c3B9JOenInAAAfUW6hix7y989SbjgmKHLNTCEyKCsDKV78XhKpGFtL08GdsM+HSHVGJ5R2ZkrIhvOuIgK/DB+Zuy7aTT67yYmVt9TbZEmmd98HqTp3lh8g3GZK6vxkSRzjIEB5qzfY2Suy9pfLWHc= ; X-YMail-OSG: dZ_z41cVM1maDcFflKb03Yba61oUW_POYrXXV9a62GfhWcGoZ2YfwFvpxddiJ7AdymjM.ocyAHWmw1VDvw0yHK3adTh5P7u79ssaOhmcM.WbabHLwWrI535cOS4- Message-ID: <007301c7818f$e033dc30$6402a8c0@PC576340162804> From: "Ben" To: References: <433366.8299.qm@web31009.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [LOOP] Help: RC-20XL or Digitech Jam-Man? Quantize feature? Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 10:02:13 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69629 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 08:02:35 +0000 (UTC) Hello Brent, The Jamman HAS a quantise function. You tap on the right pedal 2-3 times to define the tempo of the metronome. When you click on he left pedal, it start "counting" a blank measure (4 beats if you chossen 4/4) then start directly to record. When you press again the left pedal it waits the end of the bar and goes into play. The limit is that the BAR should be at least about 3 seconds (about one 4/4 bar @80BPM). You can also use the USB connexion to enter a bass or drum pattern and use it as the foundation loop. You can even use the tap tempo before launching this loop so as to define the tempo according to your mood. Overdubbing is then unquantised, press REC - overdub - press REC again. The foundation loop repeats but the recording doesn't wait a beat to start, you record when you want, over and over the boundaries if needed. Hope this helps, Ben. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brent Santin" To: Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 5:08 AM Subject: RE: [LOOP] Help: RC-20XL or Digitech Jam-Man? Quantize feature? > Once again thanks to everyone for the advice. > > However, I just thought of something: It seems to me > that the Boss RC-20XL's QUANTIZE feature is really > only handy when you are creating the "foundation" loop > that all your overdubs are layered onto. QUANTIZE > makes sure that this foundation loop is lined up with > the tempo. If I understand things correcntly, then > once you have that accurate foundation track > established, you really don't need the QUANTIZE > feature for the overdubs, because any overdubs you do > are going to be locked to the foundation loops > length/timing anyway, right? > > My main "fear" (and hence initial attraction to the > Boss' QUANTIZE feature) is to be on stage, trying to > lay down that main foundation beat, and f'ing it up by > not hitting the pedal at the right time. > > BUT: Assuming I bought the Digitech Jam-Man, couldn't > I avoid this problem by creating a whole bunch of > basic, accurate "foundation" loops (i.e. a simple > hi-hat backings) in the comfort of my own home (under > no pressure), then store them in the memory of the > Digitech pedal and call them up on stage to do live > overdubs upon? I would essentially be using these > "prepared loops" like a metronome to layer live stuff > upon. Live overdubs can't possibly go out of time, I > assume, because they must be the same length/cycle as > the "foundation" loop, correct? > > If this seems to make sense (and I hope it does), then > this solution seems to solve things...meaning I could > purchase the Digitech pedal and take advantage of all > the memory locations it has. > > > Get news delivered with the All new Yahoo! Mail. Enjoy RSS feeds > right on your Mail page. Start today at > http://mrd.mail.yahoo.com/try_beta?.intl=ca > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 18 11:43:15 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CD1A43BF2F; Wed, 18 Apr 2007 11:43:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.ca; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=oS9B67Jr8nho5DuPZ3xxHwy+ZszxMRWxjzTFEQo5MLpAQjZAg+2VFjp8Pz3uputSE4Ptk8YWrCb+eGD/c6YnYUH/dPwmsI4mNb6HZ+GeuzQ4SV2oW7oDQXSKIK4CKN1uCEMuLlEeC2rAWC6u6PBlVqRLFwbDcurZ0dUI6FrfwTw=; X-YMail-OSG: AdzBU20VM1lsUtadI9g9vHrvPIM6zselfsvMEMLMabwKWDGpD7fQfCosMNCCsDrHQtHRUxAWW0aNJyIWWxSVm4DMJn5kzv2Z_7jhU3F2Q2SoH9tKzqZnN59v_zieyw-- Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 07:43:13 -0400 (EDT) From: Brent Santin Subject: Re: [LOOP] Help: RC-20XL or Digitech Jam-Man? Quantize feature? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <007301c7818f$e033dc30$6402a8c0@PC576340162804> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <77345.43877.qm@web31012.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69630 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 11:43:15 +0000 (UTC) --- Ben wrote: > Hello Brent, > > The Jamman HAS a quantise function. > You tap on the right pedal 2-3 times to define the > tempo of the metronome. > When you click on he left pedal, it start "counting" > a blank measure (4 > beats if you chossen 4/4) then start directly to > record. When you press > again the left pedal it waits the end of the bar and > goes into play. Thanks Ben, this piece of information is extremely helpful. It seems that in this way you define a quantized blank measure automatically, which is different than the way the BOSS's quantize feature works, but just as useful. I think, then, the Jam-Man is the one I'll get....those 99 memory locations will be extremely useful in order to have backing parts for a full show's worth of songs. Have any of you had to do the "pedal spring hack" to the Jam-Man in order to make the pedals easier to depress? I've read that the stiffness is the one main nitpick people have with the Digitech Jam-Man. Get a sneak peak at messages with a handy reading pane with All new Yahoo! Mail: http://mrd.mail.yahoo.com/try_beta?.intl=ca From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 18 12:09:35 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4DC073BF38; Wed, 18 Apr 2007 12:09:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 08:06:29 -0400 From: Bill Fox Subject: The AM/FM Show Playlist for April 14, 2007 To: undisclosed-recipients: ; Message-id: <462609C5.9050007@soundscapes.us> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.10 (Windows/20070221) Resent-Message-ID: <-4iQaC.A.5xG.-pgJGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69631 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 12:09:35 +0000 (UTC) http://soundscapes.us/amfm/playlists/2007/070414.html I host the Saturday AM/FM Show every other week where I play electronic, ambient, spacemusic, Progressive Rock, and an eclectic mix of other genres. The show airs from 6:00 am to 8:00 am on WMUH Allentown, 91.7 FM and on the internet. I also host Afterglow every Thursday from 8:00 am to 9:30 am. Show #106 April 14, 2006. During Phase I of this show, I continued the special on the sampler CDs that come with each issue of E-dition electronic music magazine. I also played the music of Dave Fulton who will be in concert with Giles Reaves at the Gatherings Concert Series on April 21. In Phase 3, I played the music of Star Castle who will be at ROSfest at the end of the month and of 3rdegree who will be playing at the New Jersey Proghouse with Frogg Cafe on April 21. Phase I/Space: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ==================== ==================== ============================== VA [Nattefrost] Through Clear and E-dition #13 (Groove) Frosty Nights VA [Bjorn Lynn] Starfield E-dition #13 (Groove) Dave Fulton Neutrons at Thought Hard Particles (Eurock) Pressure Dave Fulton Small Particles Hard Particles (Eurock) Dave Fulton Foreground Hard Particles (Eurock) Extractions VA [Wintherstormer] Wooden Chairs Sequences No.23 (EMMA) Phase II/Eclectic: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ==================== ==================== ============================== Al Gromer Khan and Monsoon Point * Monsoon Point (New Earth) Amelia Cuni Chinmaya Dunster New Moon Buddha Moon (New Earth) Phase III/Progressive Rock: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ==================== ==================== ============================== The Third Ending Eleven The Third Ending (Progrock) The Third Ending Back Home The Third Ending (Progrock) The Third Ending Tungsten Blues The Third Ending (Progrock) 3rdegree That Time of the CDR (none) Night Star Castle Babylon Song of Times (Progrock) Lana Lane Breathe Introduction Gemeni (Think Tank) Lana Lane Johnny Moon Gemeni (Think Tank) Lana Lane Breathe In the Air Gemeni (Think Tank) Lana Lane On the Run Gemeni (Think Tank) Lana Lane Time Gemeni (Think Tank) Lana Lane Breathe Reprise Gemeni (Think Tank) * = excerpt ++ = Advanced CDR from artist VA = Various Artists (compilation) I return to the AM/FM Show on April 21. On the next show, I will continue the special on the sampler CDs that come with each issue of E-dition electronic music magazine. I will also play music of Dave Fulton, Giles Reaves, and Orbital Decay who will be playing at The Gatherings on Saturday, April 21. I will also be playing the music of bands that will be playing at the New Jersey Proghouse and at ROSfest. Bill ====================================================================== Host of the AM/FM Show every other Saturday at 6:00 am EST (GMT-5:00). Phase 1: Electronic, ambient, and space music to bring you back from "Beyond the Barriers." Phase 2: Mixed bag of acoustic, electric, pop, or New Age. Phase 3: Progressive rock from past masters to contemporary releases. Web Site - http://soundscapes.us/amfm Listen to WMUH Allentown locally at 91.7 FM or on-line at http://www.muhlenberg.edu/wmuh and click the REAL AUDIO link or go directly to rtsp://helix.muhlenberg.edu:554/broadcast/live.rm Playlists are also published at http://billfox.blogspot.com RSS (2.0) feed from http://billfox.blogspot.com/rss.xml Atom (0.3) feed from http://billfox.blogspot.com/atom.xml ====================================================================== The progdj list is the central clearing house for radio playlists of Progressive Rock programs. Tired of joining dozens of mailing lists to post playlists or track airplay? The progdj list solves that problem. The progdj list is the place to go in order to see playlists and CD and concert reviews by DJs of progressive rock-friendly radio programs. Anyone interested in seeing playlists can join. There is NO SPAM because I keep the spammers out before the members ever see any hint of it. The progdj list is for DJs (obviously!) and band members, record label personnel, promoters, managers, and anyone else interested in seeing what gets played on the air. Need to find who is playing prog on the radio? Go to the progdj list. To join, go to http://groups.yahoo.com/group/progdj and click on the [Join This Group!] link. ====================================================================== From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 18 12:40:07 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B98CE3BF3F; Wed, 18 Apr 2007 12:40:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 08:37:05 -0400 From: Bill Fox Subject: Ricochet Gathering in Yellowstone National Park {was: Re: mindSpiral} In-reply-to: <16133818.1176662414913.JavaMail.root@m11> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Cc: Ricochet Gathering Yahoogroups List Message-id: <462610F1.7090801@soundscapes.us> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit References: <4620F804.2040708@soundscapes.us> <22676246.1176586712696.JavaMail.root@m11> <46222F62.7020900@soundscapes.us> <16133818.1176662414913.JavaMail.root@m11> User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.10 (Windows/20070221) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69632 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 12:40:07 +0000 (UTC) Bob Weigel wrote: > I'm in Bozeman, MT. No hadn't heard about that gathering. -Bob > Bill Fox wrote: >> Do you know about the Ricochet Gathering in Yellowstone this August? Then you're damn close! Your airport is the closest one to the place the gathering will be held. If you're into EM, please do check it out. http://ricochetdream.com This year's event will be August 25 to September 1. Join the Yahoogroup list to get in on the details. You won't find a better, crazier bunch of folks. Cheers, Bill Cc: Ricochet Dream Yahoogroup Mailing List From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 18 13:17:51 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5E52B3BF30; Wed, 18 Apr 2007 13:17:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.fr; h=Received:X-YMail-OSG:Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=ntPSQYj87N44aLUxjtNqcT/FeIf2uxX7aEMpJKQOLJVjXVBnR4vY96Tfxo4ED/C0VxyRwemhVTW4fA8jiGj6yRRCx7xcvtYPwTOrsotOu3AlzQYJj/qoRaoLhe6YSJ8q5N9Q4Da+Mx9tQ1aqCjfurfM0jDn2cEkz4CCRMdMXgSA= ; X-YMail-OSG: cjgrWSgVM1nqhcosxDWJd9F5VgjVgCzKVjy73eeq1QAMlt80S6hkMf_hCaTQmX35652IwNVLWA-- Message-ID: <00c601c781bb$e9d0ef40$6402a8c0@PC576340162804> From: "Ben" To: References: <77345.43877.qm@web31012.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [LOOP] Help: RC-20XL or Digitech Jam-Man? Quantize feature? Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 15:17:27 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69633 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 13:17:51 +0000 (UTC) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brent Santin" > Have any of you had to do the "pedal spring hack" to > the Jam-Man in order to make the pedals easier to > depress? I've read that the stiffness is the one main > nitpick people have with the Digitech Jam-Man. No, I didn't made any modification but it's true you have to jump on the pedal. Isn't it the meaning of stompbox? ;-) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 18 13:41:20 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 993903BF41; Wed, 18 Apr 2007 13:41:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=D1+U3CWKBPut+5wORUIENSNE6u1oVT97/gpmeVHbtZWzRrNgPsNPACwUMaBRFrRZ56npDAn0AONbmGnDxDAQXmtQRW0dtMG7cZFPZzViItZFYZS7pB9d6zcfy8Nnp2m4XhhHGGhCuhJTiCvlbXIfNdANA/2rgU9SOH/KUigSi4g= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=SDVaoc/8IhdilAnErdPcxQLzv4qyENeW5lXVNAbYHXlsE9twbo1l90etBoQEZXt7s55VrBXbSTN/A0RfzATHAzBFfY2fWDxVGv4zaA9axeTM9UMJXSD/bCMIxliOF17BfBECtp1F20blVTf2ZtNMaTfo+iOgFvBZWzG53lVtQMU= Message-ID: Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 09:41:19 -0400 From: "radio radio" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: My piano looping video In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <011b01c780fc$f0f32910$e701a8c0@pcfabio> Resent-Message-ID: <_Pk7n.A.6QE.AAiJGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69634 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 13:41:20 +0000 (UTC) No really - this is incredibly beautiful. > > > > My piano looping video is now on youtube: > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RwktlUZdWlg > > fabio > www.eterogeneo.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 18 13:59:10 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4CBE13BF56; Wed, 18 Apr 2007 13:59:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.ca; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=WlAm/ypv6FI/1/8D6qxZaPjKHfCKCvyWYFvqIuqdTwo+drj5fA/xi5ywqhtGUcMA0YuN/LVXFZ8F5eBN16eOcInu2gsYQhEkTtFjR9WNxIzUZecfSEKrIzaYxHMEwvRhDdJjzMBq6MWKQMPuMKF1ycGNsM++YX9lq+oBKSjjLz8=; X-YMail-OSG: iopAuD4VM1muetbJNfAo4Q56bv_8_sjz1u9GxVltDaf1NSsHx.8hZlOZFXcTxNISY4DIup7QnGzu9Ac0JkEIx7Rf6tEHV6plJWbDPOOsho0nyaRzeA3X7y1VDSig8A-- Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 09:59:07 -0400 (EDT) From: Brent Santin Subject: Re: [LOOP] Help: RC-20XL or Digitech Jam-Man? Quantize feature? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <00c601c781bb$e9d0ef40$6402a8c0@PC576340162804> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <929045.82981.qm@web31003.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69635 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 13:59:10 +0000 (UTC) --- Ben wrote: > No, I didn't made any modification but it's true you > have to jump on the > pedal. > Isn't it the meaning of stompbox? ;-) I've noticed that Digitech sells a set of external pedals to control the patch changes of the Jam-Man (the FX-3). Does anyone know the specs of this FX-3 switchbox? If it's just a bunch of momentary contact switches wired to a tip-ring-sleeve 1/4-phone connector, then I'd rather make my own external controller instead of shelling out another $50. I could even make a set of three buttons that mounted on a box on the mic-stand. Be smarter than spam. See how smart SpamGuard is at giving junk email the boot with the All-new Yahoo! Mail at http://mrd.mail.yahoo.com/try_beta?.intl=ca From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 18 14:01:41 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 14F563BF59; Wed, 18 Apr 2007 14:01:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.ca; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=GHZsCKPELIn+ZbHh2kZwGanIvq4XCYeHsIzOjal1xjQzRViFyztdbPkbRGz0Ylq9gSNBdVe1F9eYuU2TEXng1C+orDAbav4OrcKFCOlLZiDQMZsZnRiyKaCTOy5vx3fApsVRzTW83suYfA7AAqJYBuNJSVqx3habJK2KmIwHMzs=; X-YMail-OSG: u0RRrBMVM1mJ1qboLG.t07aVAYQD6lkFMmbZs6eFdOyL1HoWbGlZh7KuAVdWEGqmpJkB8vCVScEzEbgtc94mtiCuCl3kXqp3qVF9u4C0Ci7gGnDcCKsdHXiO9LkabA-- Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 10:01:37 -0400 (EDT) From: Brent Santin Subject: Re: [LOOP] Help: RC-20XL or Digitech Jam-Man? Quantize feature? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <929045.82981.qm@web31003.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <729516.20939.qm@web31009.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: <8jqYrC.A.sqF.DTiJGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69636 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 14:01:41 +0000 (UTC) --- Brent Santin wrote: > I've noticed that Digitech sells a set of external > pedals to control the patch changes of the Jam-Man > (the FX-3). Ooops, sorry. That should read the "FS3X". Ask a question on any topic and get answers from real people. Go to Yahoo! 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     From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 18 14:12:48 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 28B8B3BF3E; Wed, 18 Apr 2007 14:12:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.ca; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=O2PMfjz8Xg4j1BMOAGpnerkmuEKKZWXBkzGWuAS4UnJHx7o6RvFlpNYZ/VGkPZL7wWRZxKHPmXBUZw/tM0ovADwTA/5Cw3SIrOWMIVisyesytqQE1Mg03mnJOdzecCk86MJh9fMA8j8ldgdbKWxO4ZK4tE1USyhrIUHwLSYsi+w=; X-YMail-OSG: y24O6KYVM1l2AGwuloyMCXZ3hBkJWQ3eOt0JkSrDnZzeZVq.pHrLofd8Y4AAfHu1oMUSmXpd3xZ6dk.n.Ia3mxXHig3Yl5m_dvgeHAoXhPTFWU_yjs0nYldHROj3WA-- Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 10:12:44 -0400 (EDT) From: Brent Santin Subject: Re: [LOOP] Help: RC-20XL or Digitech Jam-Man? Quantize feature? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <729516.20939.qm@web31009.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <58709.6848.qm@web31008.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69637 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 14:12:48 +0000 (UTC) --- Brent Santin wrote: > > I've noticed that Digitech sells a set of external > > pedals to control the patch changes of the Jam-Man > > (the FX-3). Sorry for all the messages. I just located a schematic for the FSX3 pedal. It's in the files are of the Yahoo! Groups Digitech Jam-Man user's mailing list. It's a very simple box, really (although there are a couple diodes that need to go in there). 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Canada Messenger with Voice at http://ca.messenger.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 18 14:42:57 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 705993BF4B; Wed, 18 Apr 2007 14:42:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-UNTD-OriginStamp: wE15mMxaCGdImpQmRPxb5NYHI35Ml/BVVHR7zRlUCU8lHkyNp7jLdw== X-Originating-IP: [206.193.127.2] Mime-Version: 1.0 From: "Weg" Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 14:41:32 GMT To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Sustaniac audio clips (was: Re: LD Fretless track) X-Mailer: Webmail Version 4.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative;boundary="--__JWM__J35bd.44c0S.6f78M" Message-Id: <20070418.074147.802.989062@webmail18.nyc.untd.com> X-ContentStamp: 1:1:2007320106 X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 10.141.27.158|webmail18.nyc.untd.com|webmail18.nyc.untd.com|theweg@netzero.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69638 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 14:42:57 +0000 (UTC) ----__JWM__J35bd.44c0S.6f78M Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain Very Nice Per! ----__JWM__J35bd.44c0S.6f78M Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/html Very Nice Per! ----__JWM__J35bd.44c0S.6f78M-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 18 16:01:23 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3C8063BF3B; Wed, 18 Apr 2007 16:01:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=ipqkCqKOqU90PaFgVYJ7mKe9rvs3/MlsXyVD33/EM3XzuR3PgDO9IaHIxiyUzp20OcEG9d7/uFdQHYF/qnvvfp8N79Wn9a/6CW/IETvFNgdK+cpDiUGkmusD6YKHlij50tbuUp3ClwYDel8I2O8O0FUdRkREQE6T+6BB4p/tlvo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=WX+1yItx9OcWFtsGjZ25ClAhJRFitNVgEJd88fKBEZnSqDa51KSXYa3+3R/34EGWeSzE78jHpJmeC58qp4vvsiH+ZFPCMqLZMO1D39qa+aw4FBtzWnNhq8C5Cku0aVEi1KZyiLP4xaOS8IIzcJAkasQflSyiUd2/kAra2/OlWIk= Message-ID: Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 12:01:20 -0400 From: "radio radio" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: upgrading footswitches for EDP? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69639 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 16:01:23 +0000 (UTC) I recently got an EDP and the pedal board that Gibson makes for it (TGE04), and am wondering how difficult it would be to swap out the red plastic switches for more usable ones. I can solder wires to metal but that's about the extent of my knowledge, experience and skills. I've searched the LD archives but haven't found concrete suggestions. How difficult and/or complicated would it be? Any recommendations as to what kind of switches to get (or where to get them)? THANKS! Eben From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 18 16:03:40 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 828973BF3A; Wed, 18 Apr 2007 16:03:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:x-google-sender-auth; b=H2JZl4VPMAUByl1J8m1sNhTBTgvLBIyUBP+BVVcYaw2cC8AlxC3hNkVUcy6tqHm28u/Yt0lccJtIaOJuqKKYvPJNrSZna6+feg4inzBVoiCq/yBDyOWHDNsJ3GzgFjBoMjBf0Bxe95gcbJ9vcSYuBORrj4C4e9tHijzHJr+M1n4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:x-google-sender-auth; b=JI8m8yHWe9qaEX8+9iTu3Ndux+7oBeMatLH4GT0fisxde5RSIj5BHJAWQX1bClKKd99KuMiNUt5XQ5UmkO1eXH4IejFAjfCEctQ4W89+Q/e8G6YyCrI2g9YI8DjfTKYA0TOYevFPCtuLuyLcCoqTYdTtguBCVa1HrWq53m+SYZo= Message-ID: Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 17:03:38 +0100 From: Os Sender: expertsleepers@googlemail.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: new looping/drone track for your enjoyment MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Google-Sender-Auth: c177aae906c796c9 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69640 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 16:03:40 +0000 (UTC) Hi, I just posted up a track - would love to know what people think of it. You can get it via my podcast: http://www.collective.co.uk/darkroom/podcast.html or directly at: http://www.expert-sleepers.co.uk/darkroom/podcast/drone_of_4_4_7.mp3 cheers, os. -- os@collective.co.uk http://www.collective.co.uk/ http://www.myspace.com/darkroomtheband From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 18 16:39:52 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2715B3BF25; Wed, 18 Apr 2007 16:39:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: AW: new looping/drone track for your enjoyment Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 18:40:03 +0200 Organization: Moinlabs Message-ID: <000601c781d8$36c61a20$1001a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: AceB0yHjzQvkhOHLQlyOwSqX37HGkwABJHKw In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-RZG-AUTH: lUESeo99iNzPL8kuBgLYdKEqUywq9cxqeRA+BtFcSCD5deQ7OIREocoElg== X-RZG-CLASS-ID: mo07 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69641 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 16:39:51 +0000 (UTC) Personally (this is just me with my specific musical interest), I always find it hard to find drones like that interesting (one of the few exceptions being Eno's Apollo). Mostly, I think of such material as a possible background for melodic atonal non-rhythmic improvisations by a lead instrument, except if there's lot of texture changes and dynamics happening (which isn't the case in your track, at least not for my taste on this). I do however greatly enjoy such things in an ensemble setting like the stuff we did last week (still didn't get through to doing some edits - look forward to it ;), e.g. if you have beats and bass coming from one player, another player adding some atonal (even acoustic) stuff like Daryl did and some ambient drones like yours. Just my .02... Rainer > I just posted up a track - would love to know what people think of it. > > You can get it via my podcast: > http://www.collective.co.uk/darkroom/podcast.html > > or directly at: > http://www.expert-sleepers.co.uk/darkroom/podcast/drone_of_4_4_7.mp3 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 18 16:59:04 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4DC7C3BF1D; Wed, 18 Apr 2007 16:59:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C781DA.DA2A0331" Subject: trade my rc-50 for something smaller + cash Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 12:58:55 -0400 Message-ID: <04F196AE5755DD4587D3F8AE1A9F7B40A99899@usahm213.amer.corp.eds.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: trade my rc-50 for something smaller + cash thread-index: AceB2tlQbPZ8ZrEARI+nwjIKtgcWjg== From: "Phil, Bryan" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Apr 2007 16:58:58.0124 (UTC) FILETIME=[DB0CA0C0:01C781DA] Resent-Message-ID: <75vXxD.A.K3C.X5kJGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69642 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 16:59:03 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C781DA.DA2A0331 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I have a brand new condition rc-50. Its awesome, just way too much for what I realistically use it for. Im looking for something smaller plus cash. Id sell it outright for 400 plus shipping. It comes with original manual, box and ac adapter. =20 Bryan Phil bryan.phil@eds.com =20 =20 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C781DA.DA2A0331 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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    ------_=_NextPart_001_01C781DA.DA2A0331-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 18 17:18:43 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A0D2C3BF1F; Wed, 18 Apr 2007 17:18:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <1176916722.462652f228962@webmail.musetrap.com> Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 12:18:42 -0500 From: cpr@musetrap.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, Os Subject: Re: new looping/drone track for your enjoyment References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.2.2 X-Originating-IP: 208.49.125.142 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69643 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 17:18:43 +0000 (UTC) Very cool Os.. :) Nicely meditative.. can you comment on the instruments/techniques? peace -cpr Quoting Os : > Hi, > > I just posted up a track - would love to know what people think of it. > > You can get it via my podcast: > http://www.collective.co.uk/darkroom/podcast.html > > or directly at: > http://www.expert-sleepers.co.uk/darkroom/podcast/drone_of_4_4_7.mp3 > > > cheers, > os. > > -- > os@collective.co.uk > http://www.collective.co.uk/ > http://www.myspace.com/darkroomtheband ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 18 17:41:47 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8B75A3BF25; Wed, 18 Apr 2007 17:41:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <46265850.7050003@mhorse.com> Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 12:41:36 -0500 From: Daryl Shawn User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.10 (Windows/20070221) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: new looping/drone track for your enjoyment References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69644 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 17:41:47 +0000 (UTC) Delicious...! I find the slow oscillation of the textural bed to be a nice rhythm of its own. I like the fact that there's a good amount of tension in it, especially in the high (guitar?) notes. I enjoy drones a lot - and I feel like this track has a lot going on beyond a drone, guess I disagree with you, Rainer!! - but when a piece is perfectly tonal and static, as in the stereotypical "New Age" background music, I find myself getting a bit annoyed. I'm not sure if the hiss that enters with the vocal is just mic noise, but I like it as its own instrument. this one's gonna stay in my frequent listening queue for awhile... Daryl Shawn www.swanwelder.com www.chinapaintingmusic.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 18 18:03:43 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 735703BF23; Wed, 18 Apr 2007 18:03:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Cloudmark-Score: 0.000000 [] Message-ID: <000a01c781e3$f14070c0$4001a8c0@mini> From: "CV" To: References: Subject: Re: upgrading footswitches for EDP? Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 20:04:00 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69645 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 18:03:43 +0000 (UTC) why do you want to upgrade ? to make more acoustic noize when you switch to loose precision of your punches to change something that was carefully chosen for its properties to change something that works to have another color Joking aside they look cheap and have problems "sometimes" but they are fast, precise, and, silent Claude >I recently got an EDP and the pedal board that Gibson makes for it > (TGE04), and am wondering how difficult it would be to swap out the > red plastic switches for more usable ones. I can solder wires to metal > but that's about the extent of my knowledge, experience and skills. > I've searched the LD archives but haven't found concrete suggestions. > > How difficult and/or complicated would it be? Any recommendations as > to what kind of switches to get (or where to get them)? > > THANKS! > Eben > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 18 19:38:19 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9C4CC3BF1D; Wed, 18 Apr 2007 19:38:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.no; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=FiAfLhhbpEHrzAMMsXAxgR0wn3k4LXqlRocxv/SCpBIBIo57THThHCfFL8DQzmBI/k9gOIu8fyl5RywoZwmE/Pu0H3fKn19Hy/cmP/eBrOEyHxPW6TdDLOkjUDoorGE7JS0p9/tkEWuAxelCWOyTiL2Bi/NPkUjOb/u1dHkRTvY= ; Message-ID: <20070418193818.33227.qmail@web26208.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: 9VDFCG8VM1kZiNqZxBdN6XTHvbOmtq0E8jUndeFeTAGMmqnC.ENdt5F962pTpLZcORvlbC91Df4vxxMxVw_fykuMELqjMv5wrppYKbOL5wVrHOGqerqtxTujWB8- Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 21:38:18 +0200 (CEST) From: rune fagereng Subject: autotune To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69646 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 19:38:19 +0000 (UTC) Hi ! Doe anyone know about a autotune for mac and ableton - if there are any free plugis or what to buy ? Thanks. Rune F. www.runefagereng.com www.myspace.com/runefagereng www.youtube.com/watch?v=bOHN4az59A0 Mail:rune_fagereng@yahoo.no Mob: 917 95 867 _________________________________________________________ Alt i én. Få Yahoo! Mail med adressekartotek, kalender og notisblokk. http://no.mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 18 19:48:22 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1C7A53BF1E; Wed, 18 Apr 2007 19:48:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: My piano looping video/ and some thoughts Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 15:48:11 -0400 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI In-Reply-To: X-MB-Message-Type: User MIME-Version: 1.0 From: nemoguitt@aol.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"; format=flowed X-Mailer: AOL WebMail 25045 Message-Id: <8C95009A18C0E77-11A4-3872@mblk-d38.sysops.aol.com> X-AOL-IP: 205.188.212.222 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69647 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 19:48:22 +0000 (UTC) fabio....a very nice piece of music but it made me reflect on a=20 corncern that i have about the 1/2 hr. formats of the loopfests.....i=20 am sure that i heard this tune in zurick but it did not impact me as it=20 did just now.....i just listened to per's 2 tunes (nice), os' tune ( i=20 need more beat, but that's just me, luv ya os!) and then your=20 piece.....this is not the proper order but at the fest if i listened to=20 a 1/2hr. of per and a 1/2 hr. of os then a 1/2 hr of fabio's music i=20 would have been burned out because there would have been no time to=20 decompress, digest nor communicate with the artist.....i fell that this=20 is a disservice to both the audience and the artis.....many times at=20 fests i have to run from the room for periods of time and i know that i=20 miss some great music but i often can no longer listen to anything=20 without a break, i begin to get overwhelmed both physically and=20 emotionally.....i know i stress when i play in front of people and i=20 project this feeling (perhaps wrongly) onto the artist that's playing=20 and i "emote" for them, especially if one's kit is misbehaving, i feel=20 that i suffer as much as the artist and their panic at this situation,=20 that is a part of the emotionallity that i mentioned above (empathy=20 perhaps).....so when it's BOOM, BOOM, BOOM, BOOM, BOOM performer wise i=20 know i miss more than i hear.....i know that listening to mr. zorzi's=20 guitar extraganzas (which i turely love) then he is followed by say=20 fabio's sweet melloness, i'm at least 10-15min. screwing my head back=20 on after zorzi's wonderful rampage and i miss a good percentage of=20 fabio's set.....or stanasours making me a part of another demention=20 (beautiful) then not missing a beat listening to a delicate folksinging=20 looper (i don't remember if this was the case, i use it as another=20 example), stan transported me "somewhere else" and it takes time to get=20 back.....granted it is great to hear many different artists but when=20 you can only really listen to just a % of them i wonder if this is the=20 best format to exchange our music, when can the learning take place,=20 the dialogue (many folks just came, played and left right after their=20 sets and it was hard to impossible to communicate with=20 them).....perhaps i am off base with these observations but keep in=20 mind i am knocking on the door to the scary 60 and i am becoming an old=20 fart who is getting pretty deaf and i must work hard to listen.....just=20 some thoughts that i'm having thinking about setting a "smallish" fest=20 here in pittsburgh.....michael http://www.myspace.com/klobuchar10 http://mysite.verizon.net/vzepmeci/ www.ct-collective.com <> ________________________________________________________________________ AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free=20 from AOL at AOL.com. =3D0 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 18 19:49:15 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C43FC3BF1D; Wed, 18 Apr 2007 19:49:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=nLuBfD82bLKkJcQaNkLmQQTTx6+33n4DCpcslYxrdBJuen5l/xdsO+NHt7wMRINJ4Fq7OpYcStNqtxbu/PtJxrDCj3mb/x2At8LszB0IBeVWWS5liTt4vHhZf8VaT2epAGCIf5A5VvWBr97ZCY4kUmRGgYD4B7h/5sVKhdjS4CU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=eXe0U5Y0GnAH6UqtsP4MozTjai7LnCiT4KVaqxLgPmzvAZkEjxuG9VcqEOGkdEoI5jnDTK19MvotDAJ4vfglfdOfQYacuXK8morhmkBg/MxbGm8eKMnTDh8zC4qqD5erM+I0SChr6eugU6rjZkRou3ZUlVDSXVfCmVjAmqLxEyU= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <2178716E-F111-4996-ACF7-C919963B6F0D@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: new looping/drone track for your enjoyment Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 21:49:02 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69648 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 19:49:15 +0000 (UTC) On 18 apr 2007, at 18.03, Os wrote: > I just posted up a track - would love to know what people think of it. > You can get it via my podcast: > http://www.collective.co.uk/darkroom/podcast.html > or directly at: > http://www.expert-sleepers.co.uk/darkroom/podcast/drone_of_4_4_7.mp3 Listening right now through the built-in speaker of my G5 pc. But I'm a happy subscriber to the podcast as well and I just saw it incoming there - which means I can enjoy it through headphones soon. Sounds interesting through the speaker. I like that type of "hovering distortion" and the "partially clashing infra frequency vibrations". Some years ago I saw a great gig here in Stockholm by Kevin - whatever his last name is, the guy with guitar that was in My Bloody Valentine - and he played one distorted guitar note, sampled a it in two machines and then spent the rest of the concert creating infra tones by micro tonal pitch changes between those two samplers. Awesome! First time I heard David Sykes Harmonic Choir I had the same blissful experience (that classic "Hearing Solar Wind" CD). When I play I always listen between the notes and sounds to find out what is REALLY happening in the music and to look for guidance in my playing. Sometimes you don't even know if the oscillations you are "hearing" is in the air or in your mind - that's when stuff really starts cooking!!!!!! ;-) Nice noise, Os. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) http://tinyurl.com/2kek7h (CC donationware music releases) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 18 19:53:52 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C9E973BF28; Wed, 18 Apr 2007 19:53:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=VwNW1UkLlsVmi+YvxnbuBjaXiFOHGuyRUk85xgt4csi2vsDleLLhFe8ejiVMgWsVHGxnsi+QI8rFlp1w5rl3X7B06QNrr7Q3bOomRdtwx463wwR+p8EuVjgMm0S+sgybggBPzHXPL54UIO7zEs9F8y50YxaguABM9+BoH+MED/k= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=i1JreZesWZtNUDbErbP/RRMrzikqJmlMAWa58SJF1dH37cBPv/WV1ucUnnVY6UT55+0Q2bQQskpJkMFyqqdWpbIjM6yYPSbFAZA37BO5yXEwu5LGJHyjKhvHuDfSHUfsmOb3BheaiBsSV5SvL6jeMcwpqCgpTTy7Glu4F4iwXi8= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <20070418193818.33227.qmail@web26208.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> References: <20070418193818.33227.qmail@web26208.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <136E15A5-2510-4EE5-9652-CF2497C83902@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: autotune Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 21:53:41 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: <4mryLB.A.re.QdnJGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69649 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 19:53:52 +0000 (UTC) On 18 apr 2007, at 21.38, rune fagereng wrote: > Doe anyone know about a autotune for mac and ableton - > if there are any free plugis or what to buy ? "Autotone" is a plug-in by Arturia and it's not for free. Melodyne is better though, but both are not real-time. You need to first record the audio as a sound-file before applying it. Logic has a built-in similar function that could be looked on as "free" if you pay for Logic. It sounds softer and is less powerful than both Autotune and Melodyne. However, if you are using Ableton Live you already have the option to change pitch of andy recorded audio in Live. Simply draw the pitch you prefer as a graphic line on the clip. This is not a plug-in but a function of Live. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) http://tinyurl.com/2kek7h (CC donationware music releases) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 18 20:01:10 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 35F373BF2A; Wed, 18 Apr 2007 20:01:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=CS0BAMigm5FKiUMBoaOGtFHbB+gCReRbuF0k4YFWfWxmJnwd00gtWQ5D4pIOpeJQOhEd2iH2ywaxDUAAcSrqssgbuEzOh1jNurHV++s0tIgIdH288+Xb7EMu+iN3jzRdfwtDFFAu24YWe+RYFJYL76LZI1riAgW0cu8cOCVBjfg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=E5WEFzdfqn1Bw/bQn94KzA4n8u4fQ93m4hnDa1V/qsSjFxvplxvdQQr4BwwqYp1npjLyYHngjcUTa+Lpv+9g67G6t/dpHtOzeshqckYXpiH4LQOqlEn8N2YSWQkDhA0k/otqzhjVaRLGTVGeCyJRPfi7SEeDfvdNQ6bPZHW5Cac= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <8C95009A18C0E77-11A4-3872@mblk-d38.sysops.aol.com> References: <8C95009A18C0E77-11A4-3872@mblk-d38.sysops.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <2302DB24-0A16-4AB8-ADF5-A14AD44FC78D@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: My piano looping video/ and some thoughts Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 22:01:01 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69650 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 20:01:10 +0000 (UTC) On 18 apr 2007, at 21.48, nemoguitt@aol.com wrote: > i often can no longer listen to anything without a break, I'm totally with you here Michael. I must have missed more than I have heard though my life so far. At the jazz clubs I used to hang at lest once a week I always had to go home after the first set (of three) only to emotionally digest what I had heard. I'm playing at a guitar show in a couple of weeks now and they put me on at ten in the morning, playing for about an hour, for two days on a row which is just awesome 'cause I'll be hanging at the show during the day and have some workshop in the afternoon. That's the way I myself would like to listen to other people :-) Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) http://tinyurl.com/2kek7h (CC donationware music releases) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 18 20:02:36 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7DAFC3BF37; Wed, 18 Apr 2007 20:02:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <136E15A5-2510-4EE5-9652-CF2497C83902@gmail.com> References: <20070418193818.33227.qmail@web26208.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <136E15A5-2510-4EE5-9652-CF2497C83902@gmail.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-8-1050806520 Message-Id: <07A01F07-FEB0-4838-BBCF-35443CF8C6F7@skeletonhome.com> From: bruce tovsky Subject: Re: autotune Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 16:01:42 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69651 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 20:02:36 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-8-1050806520 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed On Apr 18, 2007, at 3:53 PM, Per Boysen wrote: > "Autotone" is a plug-in by Arturia and it's not for free. actually, Autotune is made by Antares. Antares also makes an interesting mono synth plug called Kantos based on the Autotune engine. i use it a lot with theremin. has some quirky limitations but is cool nonetheless. one could also "roll their own" with max/msp - but not for the faint of heart.... cheers bruce bruce tovsky www.skeletonhome.com "Flying is learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss." Douglas Adams --Apple-Mail-8-1050806520 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII
    On Apr 18, 2007, = at 3:53 PM, Per Boysen wrote:

    "Autotone" is a plug-in by = Arturia and it's not for free.


    actually, Autotune is made = by Antares. Antares also makes an interesting mono synth plug called = Kantos based on the Autotune engine. i use it a lot with = theremin.
    has some quirky limitations but is cool nonetheless. one = could also "roll their own" with max/msp - but not for the faint of = heart....
    cheers
    bruce

    bruce tovsky

    www.skeletonhome.com


    =

    "Flying is learning how to = throw yourself at the ground and miss."

    Douglas Adams

    =

    = --Apple-Mail-8-1050806520-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 18 20:06:14 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 48EF43BF3A; Wed, 18 Apr 2007 20:06:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=rLzMqPlp/zNbwkNQNpfv9266OlvIEgDuZieWWSa0VfHUA59RWITDyAeVFxV7ZNFIxdkGE5dwHrwBoccDdAogi2qbyBqEoI8iJX94LBU+/nZveVfEMkFBikREj7BWs7rLaY7rmB/roXHimNP9hGVjUp1azpa3fhy0JE1+xZ+pvqI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=Ht+bp1yNn9I5JSDVlTuo2b/vqTgExH4qPKLjOxS/yk3h8UQ6Gs6tzIo97iq/Hn0i4T3ESg3LYQLxdCX1EMdbGfBvneWxNTX0PkZKRrRBqWDIDsoGw/1EBjfzSJHOKSvUu5r7CxmHjEO9RdZboSAeISHQeQ9KuXyQYE9ltR3t3E0= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <07A01F07-FEB0-4838-BBCF-35443CF8C6F7@skeletonhome.com> References: <20070418193818.33227.qmail@web26208.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <136E15A5-2510-4EE5-9652-CF2497C83902@gmail.com> <07A01F07-FEB0-4838-BBCF-35443CF8C6F7@skeletonhome.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: autotune Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 22:06:03 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69652 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 20:06:14 +0000 (UTC) On 18 apr 2007, at 22.01, bruce tovsky wrote: > actually, Autotune is made by Antares. Sorry,, I was to fast typing. I have it here and should have known better. Per (blushing...) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 18 20:16:40 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6E5183BF1B; Wed, 18 Apr 2007 20:16:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.no; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=37hSS68gS80L9UXISG5J0V0DODsd54YY9oPKNctQh1MdmdrXM/86wi3M+n4PY45zktbYJeIxKICMbETEk5l35eP+5F2TgtIcwKE+aNIlJrzRrQ9T7HeDKg2T22zX3Za5fvKVFYE3PAZdIGFdysrm6WQ1mfgYNALHl9lfUKpARps=; X-YMail-OSG: 95pSgEkVM1lBs3hH8DV3v8ggB0e6si.qRoiD2xtZmPeEtbH9LtEWQ3xA1lSZQr1xtAyr6iEPjhtMTZkksSrYsKdphNKF0Qvf1_x4YocHKxgRRY5pAU5FxKTNozQ- Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 22:16:38 +0200 (CEST) From: rune fagereng Subject: Re: autotune- drawing with ableton To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <136E15A5-2510-4EE5-9652-CF2497C83902@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <32462.11330.qm@web26205.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69653 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 20:16:40 +0000 (UTC) Hi again ! This sounds difficult - drawing with ableton - and how am I to know what to write v.s what sung. How can I tell from soundfiles what pitch they have.... Will you recommand this way to work - can you tell me more ? RF --- Per Boysen skrev: > On 18 apr 2007, at 21.38, rune fagereng wrote: > > > Doe anyone know about a autotune for mac and > ableton - > > if there are any free plugis or what to buy ? > > "Autotone" is a plug-in by Arturia and it's not for > free. Melodyne is > better though, but both are not real-time. You need > to first record > the audio as a sound-file before applying it. Logic > has a built-in > similar function that could be looked on as "free" > if you pay for > Logic. It sounds softer and is less powerful than > both Autotune and > Melodyne. > > However, if you are using Ableton Live you already > have the option to > change pitch of andy recorded audio in Live. Simply > draw the pitch > you prefer as a graphic line on the clip. This is > not a plug-in but a > function of Live. > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > www.looproom.com (international) > http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) > http://tinyurl.com/2kek7h (CC donationware music > releases) > > > www.runefagereng.com www.myspace.com/runefagereng www.youtube.com/watch?v=bOHN4az59A0 Mail:rune_fagereng@yahoo.no Mob: 917 95 867 _________________________________________________________ Alt i én. Få Yahoo! Mail med adressekartotek, kalender og notisblokk. http://no.mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 18 20:23:42 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 94C443BF23; Wed, 18 Apr 2007 20:23:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=ou0YpOac/Mea1bnXFivffkEuJtd5AWXZ6NcNKLYwvCypneEzgaEb1p0SB9MaYQiIUj6G/qtdUIp/BLdeD7m8gQ+jcDIBlfrtrE99U6tpNBhJeRQrr/skivaVwbS1rtbMBnfx1HLcba/JleF6rGXrt2d7nFraiaAUzU0/g1lQz6I= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=bqw+HTkSnZfZpaqgoqA2AnMwWYp6UrmRuha+GxU+5VMW1KNRBMD5i3Xq8lrGO2UO3ej7nqxNDwuydO1MegiFTidT2SgujSWJCv9F+rdqN+S6OtoCwxwaSMeFeZm2C5VxhYbKGwMj0HTUGGx1HsxX3qy6iq3TPHUjYiU5yZSvT80= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <32462.11330.qm@web26205.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> References: <32462.11330.qm@web26205.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: autotune- drawing with ableton Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 22:23:33 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69654 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 20:23:42 +0000 (UTC) On 18 apr 2007, at 22.16, rune fagereng wrote: > This sounds difficult - drawing with ableton - and how > am I to know what to write v.s what sung. How can I > tell from soundfiles what pitch they have.... > Will you recommand this way to work - can you tell me > more ? Yes, it would have been easier if there was a simple "pitch wheel" or "pitch bar" to grab and adjust pitch in real-time. But drawing it graphically is really easy too - just listen. If you are not certain, just do anything. You will hear if it's a mistake. Then do something else to listen if the pitch moves in the direction you like. Trial and error can't miss the sweet spot ;-) time is all you need. p From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 18 20:26:48 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5B7653BF2F; Wed, 18 Apr 2007 20:26:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=uMXfAIER/Ew3nFvAiUGnugCIPism12XP+twtagHXbASfyVYXDIvrnO5bgqBFJR1438dNz1EwzoFK8Yl1yVxhBehso8O+1aMrB/oEwy/07GigX48Tnuq0NBzluow3VZAGkHWv6bnLs5/zdNkDwZO5Qpw2yk79z/ihd7Y7u3iAmOw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=nERrW/xQFB7msHkTEjCFezgwHpPKycd7/hf26SJZT+1ERVK87Y3S3g4UurSJPlxXgS4HBqWaLCPZC00POfIXL6oo8Ybw6UyC9qzWdbKilMOptBjx9Qs2k3hWkoBrDrRsFquqQWTrZcy7L7RoirXUE0dXkHLBJCNEZThlTzjp9Ik= Message-ID: Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 21:26:46 +0100 From: Os Sender: expertsleepers@googlemail.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: new looping/drone track for your enjoyment In-Reply-To: <1176916722.462652f228962@webmail.musetrap.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <1176916722.462652f228962@webmail.musetrap.com> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 7908abe6704ecf57 Resent-Message-ID: <1ZWYAC.A.END.I8nJGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69655 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 20:26:48 +0000 (UTC) > Very cool Os.. :) Thanks, and the same to the others who've replied. Mike & I rarely work in this 'drone' space - normally we're much more rhythmic, if not melodic - but on this occasion a combination of it being late and various bits of gear not working as we'd intended produced this drone set. I found Rainer's perspective interesting, as I was mainly worried that real drone aficionados would think that there was far too much happening in the track! It works for me, anyway, especially with that odd bass rhythm running through most of it. > Nicely meditative.. can you comment on the instruments/techniques? Mike: guitar and a load of pedals (though no looping pedals - all the guitar looping happens in my laptop) Me: Nord Lead 3, Ableton Live, Augustus Loop (a couple), Crossfade Loop Synth Effect The big drones were probably running in Augustus, the more rhythmic stuff most likely looped in Live itself. But it's always hard to be sure what was what after the event. ;) Daryl wrote: > I'm not sure if the hiss that enters with the vocal is just mic noise, What vocal would that be? :) Per: there's definitely a My Bloody Valentine influence there, now you mention it. Also a fair bit of early Seefeel. Live 6 has a new tube distortion effect which I highly recommend. cheers, os. On 18/04/07, cpr@musetrap.com wrote: > Very cool Os.. :) > > Nicely meditative.. can you comment on the instruments/techniques? > > peace > -cpr > > Quoting Os : > > > Hi, > > > > I just posted up a track - would love to know what people think of it. > > > > You can get it via my podcast: > > http://www.collective.co.uk/darkroom/podcast.html > > > > or directly at: > > http://www.expert-sleepers.co.uk/darkroom/podcast/drone_of_4_4_7.mp3 > > > > > > cheers, > > os. > > > > -- > > os@collective.co.uk > > http://www.collective.co.uk/ > > http://www.myspace.com/darkroomtheband > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. > > -- os@collective.co.uk http://www.collective.co.uk/ http://www.myspace.com/darkroomtheband From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 18 20:44:10 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D2DBF3BF22; Wed, 18 Apr 2007 20:44:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=n91sKUqnRoBulPRR0bxFEckKhqaIIvHRrhf6yU61DUNnyR0WRm2IXUJ8sdpahw+onCJqIyB/MkVJr5JJGLDF1EKSPoCN04hxrRNveHSTApRZknaf/afsPVbDKXJNROvPe39tQ5DQic2+StH4aVT3ZP/NyB3iVhIdhedjRYMVT7c= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=QAwYEByMn4eHzjRQf3IBRuUY0L8AMfazYSti8Fbgl47XwTWs+XKeLAq7i41UVvHV5RKi898Y8Hfu30fE+QepieCa5ZmJ3KrFWOfNr4JoSw+uo9KMHH5JDga3JmjbAQyOC4BOfZq7/9YoSQViJcu0YQpGf8Y1xU/YpEq9X1ZWRmY= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: References: <1176916722.462652f228962@webmail.musetrap.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <5721CD5F-725D-47FD-BC6E-7A40D2894041@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: new looping/drone track for your enjoyment Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 22:44:05 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69656 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 20:44:10 +0000 (UTC) On 18 apr 2007, at 22.26, Os wrote: > Live 6 has a new tube distortion effect which I highly recommend. Yep, I got awesome sound out of it when trying out the EWI in Live 6. I also checked out their new Sampler and it has a distortion/ enhancing effect that sounds similar to the new tube dist plug-in. If you are using Live and like distortion (or need to target more than one parameter with one external MIDI controller message) the version 6 upgrade is well worth it. I'm not upgrading my own Live 5 license yet though, since I'm mostly on Bidule and need my money to buy strings since I picked up guitar playing again (although fretless with thick flat wounds is a little less expensive in the strings department compared to honoring the clean strat tone where the tone is lost after one day of playing) Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) http://tinyurl.com/2kek7h (CC donationware music releases) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 18 20:46:36 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D7F853BF1D; Wed, 18 Apr 2007 20:46:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 14:46:34 -0600 Message-Id: <200704182046.l3IKkYaQ006641@minds-eye.org> From: "Kevin Cheli-Colando" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: kevin@minds-eye.org Subject: OT: Aural anomolies? X-Mailer: NeoMail 1.25 X-IPAddress: 137.150.33.94 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69657 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 20:46:35 +0000 (UTC) > Sometimes you don't even know if the oscillations you are "hearing" > is in the air or in your mind Okay, well this comment spurred me on to asking a very off topic question (perhaps?). I use a Korg AX300G guitar multifx pedal (seriously underrated for some severe tone mangling effects) and every time I play out with this I notice a very strange thing that I've never been sure is really happening. After playing for a while, half hour or so at least, I begin to find it harder and harder to hear the Korg (I'm running my guitar signal through at least one other processor (VF1 if you must know) on another channel. Is it possible that the output of the unit actually begins to drop off the longer its used or is this some kind of user fatigue thing? I have no idea and find it quite disconcerting and odd. This effect does not seem to happen on the VF1 channel FWIW. Back to the loops then. Kevin -- Till now you seriously considered yourself to be the body and to have a form. That is the primal ignorance which is the root cause of all trouble. - Ramana Maharshi (1879-1950) Sound and Vision: http://www.minds-eye.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 18 20:54:41 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7B0D83BF1C; Wed, 18 Apr 2007 20:54:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=C3ltQNF5WypBeCDVMppefTs55j8j3zXbUzh0rrzYIOlbtlHVnp2KCEKF3LRrPBBw; h=Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:To:Subject:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Message-ID: <9193747.1176929679870.JavaMail.root@elwamui-karabash.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 13:54:39 -0700 (GMT-07:00) From: stanitarium@earthlink.net Reply-To: stanitarium@earthlink.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: new looping/drone track for your enjoyment Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: EarthLink Zoo Mail 1.0 X-ELNK-Trace: e4eaaa48e0468cfae77aa5cb369a9f3f9ef193a6bfc3dd48c63340e303e2ec67f673f5e888d29784b3d6b29ebf2fd88f350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.224.37 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69658 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 20:54:41 +0000 (UTC) >> Very cool Os.. :) ... >I found Rainer's perspective interesting, as I was mainly worried that >real drone aficionados would think that there was far too much >happening in the track! > as a guy i liked the cut altho i think there IS too much goin on for it to be considered real Drone w/ a capital D. in the words of James Plotkin, one great guitar/loop guy: http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=89861713 "a drone is a static sonic occurence, meaning a constant, unchanging event of sound. once a sound shifts in tone, timbre,frequency, etc. it ceases to be a drone by definition." he done said a mouthful, and if you can maintain those parameters true Drone can happen and transcend.(or bore you to death, whichever comes first :-) drone on staninsanfran From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 18 21:09:43 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D06273BF23; Wed, 18 Apr 2007 21:09:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <46268907.7070102@mhorse.com> Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 16:09:27 -0500 From: Daryl Shawn User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.10 (Windows/20070221) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: new looping/drone track for your enjoyment References: <1176916722.462652f228962@webmail.musetrap.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69659 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 21:09:43 +0000 (UTC) Aw crap, am I all wet again? A month or two ago I was dead certain that Per's guitar on the last track on his latest recording was actually a flute...I almost didn't believe it even when Per himself told me otherwise..! On this track, there's a hiss that comes in slowly at 2:44, and then a llittle whole-step descending figure at 3:03 that then repeats for most of the rest of the track. Sounded just like a human hum, with some echo on the second note. Is that a pitched-down guitar? Daryl Shawn www.swanwelder.com www.chinapaintingmusic.com > I'm not sure if the hiss that enters with the vocal is just mic noise, > > What vocal would that be? :) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 18 21:10:54 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4AF103BF22; Wed, 18 Apr 2007 21:10:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: eterogeneo Reply-To: eterogeneo To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: My piano looping video/ and some thoughts Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 23:09:07 +0200 Message-ID: <00NKlYqxrcKC.wDJKrkTm@smtp.tre.biz> X-Mailer: EPOC e-mail Versione 2.10 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69660 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 21:10:54 +0000 (UTC) Thanks for the appreciations, Micheal...and all the other people who kindly have given their impressions. I understand what you said and i'm agree with you. I would like to say a lot about your thoughts, but my english in not so good enough. I can say that i remember that in Zurich i used to exit out of the venue a lot of times...because i needed to "wash" my ears before listen to the sounds of the nextcoming artist. ...And i'm just 36 years old (tomorrow will be 37 !). I remember that i was happy to play in Zurich, but at the same time i was confused by the speedy performances, even if all worked very well and Bernhard made a great work. In simple words, i can think to the difference between a festival where looping performances are showed to a public audience and a festival where looping musicians meet themself.... In the first case, i think is more appropriated to have long performances; while in the second case i would prefer to have time between the performances to...wash ears, to talk with artists and (mostly) to listen to some words from the performer about his way to make music. In other words, the 'goal' ofthe festival must be clear from the beginning and the best solution is consequent. But i also know how difficult is organizing such events... Just my (poor) opinion. Ciao Fabio www.eterogeneo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 18 21:18:02 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0C4033BF25; Wed, 18 Apr 2007 21:18:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.5 Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 23:21:19 +0200 Subject: Re: trade my doodle for a smoodle From: jayrope To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20070418211054.AA6CB3BF2B@arsenic.violacea.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="B_3259783279_1327415" X-PopBeforeSMTPSenders: adm@kliklak.net,bottrap@kliklak.net,choerchms@kliklak.net,donations@kliklak.net,girlsunited@kliklak.net,hardman@kliklak.net,ig@kliklak.net,janek@kliklak.net,jayrope@kliklak.net,jlistshit@kliklak.net,jrploopers@kliklak.net,kimmoelomaa@kliklak.net,loi@kliklak.net,msblue@kliklak.net,msgreen@kliklak.net,msorange@kliklak.net,msred@kliklak.net,ohsotellus@kliklak.net,pinsky@kliklak.net,reggie@kliklak.net,rls@kliklak.net,rope@kliklak.net,scenic@kliklak.net,sighs@kliklak.net,silkkonvertor@kliklak.net,tvworkshop@kliklak.net,usb@kliklak.net X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - minsk.hostforweb.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - kliklak.net X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69661 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 21:18:02 +0000 (UTC) > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --B_3259783279_1327415 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit hey all using a very unmodern LEXICONJAMMAN (stilll the fastest AND best sounding loopmachine on the planet) TELEVISIONWORKSHOP http://myspace.com/televisionworkshop are releasing their debut on http://umor-rex.com on Monday, April 23, 2007 We certainly hope, that you will enjoy this, all you guitar players, you. jayrope - berlin http://kliklak.net p.s. now - for this only one message i will again receive so much useless spam, actually real spam, just because this list doesn't ever get to have spam protection. this really can't be hard to achieve, i do it, myself, and it works, over here. so what's the point about looper's delight not getting there????? it would be just great to get there! --B_3259783279_1327415 Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: trade my doodle for a smoodle hey all

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    i do it, myself, and it works, over here. so what's the point about looper'= s delight not getting there????? it would be just great to get there!     --B_3259783279_1327415-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 18 22:13:47 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 30E343BF1F; Wed, 18 Apr 2007 22:13:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=TaIc5NlDJ/+al/sz4Tnwt4HkzNplsTiuLk/F7393ut1ud9YpBDRGgFLbSjFdf7ICzMwVB3ZS9EyupCK5cyPBStdDLoeNT7yv4G/vNPppULgJ+zhpkHLDEu2vHxQilOGuMzrCpIkPNE0DWz3F9ZTCdCYzurml/YrTixjFH7k3PbY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=IBUnHDNv5vr+nbFiNXFmCTNxtWr2uqpiii4fUtEKRjxeqzg9tcdFzfX9ONhcj4/+7/DgAkXJq9/1Arwm7wvAf2+H43K+KmrpGPLx0SosuJjtDzmvKvMm7RnvCW2sKwBd2PigikaOZwfP/3dEdhDWOdkCgA9on6nG6w7L7dJklN0= Message-ID: Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 23:13:43 +0100 From: Os Sender: expertsleepers@googlemail.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: new looping/drone track for your enjoyment In-Reply-To: <46268907.7070102@mhorse.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <1176916722.462652f228962@webmail.musetrap.com> <46268907.7070102@mhorse.com> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 77aeb0b76b6337d2 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69662 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 22:13:47 +0000 (UTC) > on the second note. Is that a pitched-down guitar? it must be! the general hiss will be the gear trouble I said we were having, magnified by a 30 second decay reverb :) cheers, os. On 18/04/07, Daryl Shawn wrote: > Aw crap, am I all wet again? A month or two ago I was dead certain that > Per's guitar on the last track on his latest recording was actually a > flute...I almost didn't believe it even when Per himself told me > otherwise..! > > On this track, there's a hiss that comes in slowly at 2:44, and then a > llittle whole-step descending figure at 3:03 that then repeats for most > of the rest of the track. Sounded just like a human hum, with some echo > on the second note. Is that a pitched-down guitar? > > Daryl Shawn > www.swanwelder.com > www.chinapaintingmusic.com > > I'm not sure if the hiss that enters with the vocal is just mic noise, > > > > What vocal would that be? :) > > -- os@collective.co.uk http://www.collective.co.uk/ http://www.myspace.com/darkroomtheband From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 18 22:55:27 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5A9103BF19; Wed, 18 Apr 2007 22:55:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "muman" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 15:55:07 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: upgrading footswitches for EDP? Message-ID: <46263F5B.19287.17947417@muman.eskimo.com> Priority: normal In-reply-to: References: X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.41) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69663 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 22:55:27 +0000 (UTC) Eben, Below is the link someone recently posted for heavy duty stompbox style switches. You can install or they can install. If you want to replace the red ones, get them direct from mouser (the part number is on the Loopers Delight) web site), they are a bit cheaper. I've already replaced two switches (the red ones) and it's very easy. Open up the footcontroller and take a look. You'll be surprise at minimum electronics inside. A great design. http://www.britishaudioservice.com/shop_main_echoplex.shtml > I recently got an EDP and the pedal board that Gibson makes for it > (TGE04), and am wondering how difficult it would be to swap out the > red plastic switches for more usable ones. I can solder wires to metal > but that's about the extent of my knowledge, experience and skills. > I've searched the LD archives but haven't found concrete suggestions. > > How difficult and/or complicated would it be? Any recommendations as > to what kind of switches to get (or where to get them)? > > THANKS! > Eben > > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 269.5.2/766 - Release Date: 4/18/2007 7:39 AM > Louis Hesselt-van-Dinter From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 18 23:30:52 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 03F783BF1E; Wed, 18 Apr 2007 23:30:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com References: <00NKlYqxrcKC.wDJKrkTm@smtp.tre.biz> To: info@eterogeneo.com, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: My piano looping video/ and some thoughts Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 19:30:24 -0400 In-Reply-To: <00NKlYqxrcKC.wDJKrkTm@smtp.tre.biz> X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 From: nemoguitt@aol.com X-MB-Message-Type: User Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Mailer: AOL WebMail 25045 Message-Id: <8C95028AC9056AE-11A4-4FB1@mblk-d38.sysops.aol.com> X-AOL-IP: 205.188.212.222 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69664 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 23:30:51 +0000 (UTC) fabio.....your english is excellent, "wash my ears", BRILLIANT!....have a wonderful BIRTHDAY young man.....:).....michael ________________________________________________________________________ AOL now offers free email to everyone. 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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 18 23:56:54 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E5A8A3BF1C; Wed, 18 Apr 2007 23:56:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: trade my doodle for a smoodle Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 19:56:50 -0400 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI In-Reply-To: X-MB-Message-Type: User MIME-Version: 1.0 From: nemoguitt@aol.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Mailer: AOL WebMail 25045 Message-Id: <8C9502C5D86E9F6-11A4-5287@mblk-d38.sysops.aol.com> X-AOL-IP: 205.188.212.222 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: <0fnwWC.A.vRC.GBrJGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69665 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 23:56:54 +0000 (UTC) jayrope - berlin.....you get my vote of the day!.....wonderful-wacky-humorus-great sounding loops.....i don't know about the "spam" problem that you are having but please tell me how you go about your music, i have never played with a jamman.....i think it's great that we have been talking more about the actual music lately.....gear is good, music is better.....michael http://www.myspace.com/klobuchar10 http://mysite.verizon.net/vzepmeci/ www.ct-collective.com TELEVISIONWORKSHOP http://myspace.com/televisionworkshop are releasing their debut on http://umor-rex.com on Monday, April 23, 2007 We certainly hope, that you will enjoy this, all you guitar players, you. jayrope - berlin http://kliklak.net ________________________________________________________________________ AOL now offers free email to everyone. 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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 19 00:13:02 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EA6933BF18; Thu, 19 Apr 2007 00:13:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: trade my doodle for a smoodle Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 20:12:56 -0400 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI In-Reply-To: <8C9502C5D86E9F6-11A4-5287@mblk-d38.sysops.aol.com> X-MB-Message-Type: User MIME-Version: 1.0 From: nemoguitt@aol.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"; format=flowed X-Mailer: AOL WebMail 25045 Message-Id: <8C9502E9D94E6C5-11A4-53D9@mblk-d38.sysops.aol.com> X-AOL-IP: 205.188.212.222 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69666 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 00:13:01 +0000 (UTC) jayrope....thnax for this.....it blows my mind how much music is out=20 there.....m << http://kliklak.net=C2=A0>> =C2=A0 =20 ________________________________________________________________________=C2= =A0 AOL now offers free email to everyone. 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Find out more about what's free=20 from AOL at AOL.com. =3D0 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 19 00:40:40 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1E43B3BF1E; Thu, 19 Apr 2007 00:40:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Qua Veda" To: Subject: RE: trade my doodle for a smoodle Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 17:41:20 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 In-Reply-To: <8C9502C5D86E9F6-11A4-5287@mblk-d38.sysops.aol.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Thread-Index: AceCFdCoNosbcLqKSp6PHt36Nutm3QABVxsg Message-Id: <20070418174493.SM03672@quahome> X-RBL-Warning: REVDNS: This E-mail was sent from a MUA/MTA 206.212.233.27 with no reverse DNS entry. 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Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69667 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 00:40:39 +0000 (UTC) Great work! , I especially liked "Magnetize Me" -Qua -----Original Message----- TELEVISIONWORKSHOP http://myspace.com/televisionworkshop are releasing their debut on http://umor-rex.com on Monday, April 23, 2007 We certainly hope, that you will enjoy this, all you guitar players, you. jayrope - berlin http://kliklak.net ___ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 19 02:45:45 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4DB133BF0E; Thu, 19 Apr 2007 02:45:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <013901c7822c$e7a6f900$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "RICK WALKER" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: RE: M. Klobuchars' critique if the 30 minute loopfest performance format was: My piano looping video/ and some thoughts Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 19:46:17 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.1 required=1.0 tests=AWL autolearn=disabled version=3.1.7 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.7 (2006-10-05) on mail.cruzio.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69668 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 02:45:45 +0000 (UTC) I read Michael Klobuchar's thoughtful critique of the 30 minute performance style of the loopfestivals that I've put on for the last six years. I think they are spot on and I agree with his frustrations, but I also wanted to point out in their defence: that I have attempted, as much as is possible, to create as many opportunities for live loopers to play at the festivals as possible in a self concious attempt to foster community; to encourage young and newbie artists to participate and get out in front of a crowd. The only way to be as egalitarian as I have been with the festivals has been to squeeze as many performances in as possible. This is actually a fairly radical idea in performance, at least as it manifests in the US. It means that the overall performance aspect necessarily suffers for all of the articulate reasons that Michael laid out that I agree with. I also think that this egalitarian inclusion has really helped our community have more of a sense of solidarity and I know at least a dozen artist in the last several years who are now avid live loopers who had never even touched a looping pedal before I lent them one to perform at the festival so I think the strategy has paid off. Also, I have noticed that crowds at other looping events I have been to have been oversaturated by longer set lengths. I've chosen the 30 minute format concious of it's drawbacks but I also see the whole festival as a Sampler of live looping............intended to spread the word to the public and to provide many, many loopers with the ability to see dozens and dozens of different approaches to be inspired by. It has also occasionally kept some performers from performing at the festival. Andre LaFosse has repeatedly turned down my requests to play at the festival because he feels like he just couldn't do what he does in under a 45 minute performance. I don't agree with him at all, but I certainly respect his decision not to perform. Noone, with the exception of Kris Hartung and I ever sees the whole two day festival and it doesn't make sense to even attempt it.............it's just too much. So my advise is to pick and choose the sets you want to see and then avail yourself of the unbelievably stimulating company of the other artists who aren't currently watching a performance during the breaks. Another good thing about the festival being imperfect in different ways is that it actually is making Michael think about creating a festival that he'd rather attend which utilizes different criteria for performance. Honestly, I have tried so hard in the past several years to encourage people to do their own small or large festivals as a self concious attempt to grow our community and , quite honestly, to put the notion of a live looping artist in the public's mind so that we could start to actually make money out in the commercial world doing what we are doing. So, I still recommend coming to Y2K7 and to performing at it. I think it's a wonderful and inspiring event. I also highly encourage you to book your own live looping festivals, even if they are modest and only have 3 or 4 performers in an evening.................. ................ and hell, because I"ve worked so hard for so many years with no compensation, I'd love to be asked to perform at one if you do! It would be wonderful do give a 45 minute looping performance in Pittsburgh if I were to be invited to do so................ sincerely and respectfully, Rick Walker organizer Y2K7 International Live Looping festival From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 19 02:57:24 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A81993BF18; Thu, 19 Apr 2007 02:57:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <015601c7822e$88f7dbc0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "RICK WALKER" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: Re: new looping/drone track for your enjoyment Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 19:57:57 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.1 required=1.0 tests=AWL autolearn=disabled version=3.1.7 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.7 (2006-10-05) on mail.cruzio.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69669 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 02:57:24 +0000 (UTC) Very nice, Os and Michael!!!! And I really love to hear My Bloody Valentine mentioned. I love that group and have been so influenced by them. It's such a shame that he became so obsessive and never continued his work in that vein....................those are incredible records. Anyway, keep up the good work. I wish I could get you guys to come and play at Y2K7 this coming year. We have such a great lineup this year already. affectionately, Rick From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 19 03:10:46 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 19B9A3BF14; Thu, 19 Apr 2007 03:10:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <077a01c78230$4eb256a0$33c8f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <013901c7822c$e7a6f900$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Subject: Re: M. Klobuchars' critique if the 30 minute loopfest performance format was: My piano looping video/ and some thoughts Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 21:10:37 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69670 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 03:10:46 +0000 (UTC) Well written Rick. Honestly, though (and all due respect to Michael for expressing his unique point of view), I don't think you, me, or anyone has to justify the 30 minute performance grid. I like to compare playing music to articulating one's point of view, argument, thesis, philosophy of life, world view, etc...in my opinion, if one can't get the story across in 30 minutes, something's wrong. It's either too complex or not well articulated. If you were putting on the festival for MAJOR world-renowned headliners (popular), then we might promote longer sets, because these sort of acts tend to work out their shows in advance to maintain consistency in their professionalism, persona, marketing appeal, etc. But, really, 30 minutes? That's an eternity for experimental music. :) How much atonalism can a listener actually withstand from the same artist? :) Also, you do offer longer sets for artists at you festival, during the featured and headliner artist slots. We both do this. Plus, these are festivals adn one of the main points is to feature the breadth of diversity form artists. The idea is to showcase as much talent as we can, which lends well to the 30 minute set. Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "RICK WALKER" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 8:46 PM Subject: RE: M. Klobuchars' critique if the 30 minute loopfest performance format was: My piano looping video/ and some thoughts >I read Michael Klobuchar's thoughtful critique of the > 30 minute performance style of the loopfestivals that I've put on for the > last six years. > > I think they are spot on and I agree with his frustrations, > but I also wanted to point out in their defence: > > > that I have attempted, as much as is possible, to create as many > opportunities > for live loopers to play at the festivals as possible in a self concious > attempt > to foster community; to encourage young and newbie artists to > participate and > get out in front of a crowd. > > The only way to be as egalitarian as I have been with the festivals has > been to > squeeze as many performances in as possible. > > This is actually a fairly radical idea in performance, at least as it > manifests > in the US. It means that the overall performance aspect necessarily > suffers > for all of the articulate reasons that Michael laid out that I agree with. > > I also think that this egalitarian inclusion has really helped our > community have > more of a sense of solidarity and I know at least a dozen artist in the > last > several years who are now avid live loopers who had never even touched a > looping pedal > before I lent them one to perform at the festival so I think the strategy > has paid off. > > Also, I have noticed that crowds at other looping events I have been to > have been > oversaturated by longer set lengths. > > I've chosen the 30 minute format concious of it's drawbacks but I also see > the whole > festival as a Sampler of live looping............intended to spread the > word to the public > and to provide many, many loopers with the ability to see dozens and > dozens of different > approaches to be inspired by. > > It has also occasionally kept some performers from performing at the > festival. > Andre LaFosse has repeatedly turned down my requests to play at the > festival > because he feels like he just couldn't do what he does in under a 45 > minute performance. > > I don't agree with him at all, but I certainly respect his decision not > to perform. > > Noone, with the exception of Kris Hartung and I ever sees the whole two > day festival > and it doesn't make sense to even attempt it.............it's just too > much. So my advise is > to pick and choose the sets you want to see and then avail yourself of the > unbelievably stimulating > company of the other artists who aren't currently watching a performance > during the breaks. > > Another good thing about the festival being imperfect in different ways is > that it actually > is making Michael think about creating a festival that he'd rather attend > which utilizes > different criteria for performance. > > Honestly, I have tried so hard in the past several years to encourage > people to do their own > small or large festivals as a self concious attempt to grow our community > and , quite honestly, > to put the notion of a live looping artist in the public's mind so that we > could start to actually > make money out in the commercial world doing what we are doing. > > So, I still recommend coming to Y2K7 and to performing at it. I think > it's a wonderful and inspiring event. > > I also highly encourage you to book your own live looping festivals, even > if they are modest and only have 3 or 4 performers > in an evening.................. > > ................ and hell, because I"ve worked so hard > for so many years with no compensation, I'd love to be asked to perform > at one if you do! > It would be wonderful do give a 45 minute looping performance in > Pittsburgh if I were to be invited > to do so................ > > sincerely and respectfully, > > Rick Walker > organizer > Y2K7 International Live Looping festival > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 19 04:01:19 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 21FEA3BF0E; Thu, 19 Apr 2007 04:01:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 00:01:02 EDT Subject: if anyone does not go to Y2K7 because of klobuchar's crazy thinkin i will clobber him! To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_ced.e213cb8.3358437e_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 293 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: <0_LX4B.A.QOG.OmuJGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69671 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 04:01:19 +0000 (UTC) --part1_ced.e213cb8.3358437e_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 4/18/07 10:46:05 PM, looppool@cruzio.com writes: > It would be wonderful do give a 45 minute looping performance in Pittsburgh > if I were to be invited > to do so.........................plus i will pay michael big bucks to > do this > you're on bubo!.....:).....my thinking tonite was something along the lines of LOOPSTOCK lll but in a more comfortable spot ( kim's famous cookie factory type thang) where a group of loopers would hang for a WHOLE day, being set up at the same time so there are no sets and some mad jammin).....perhaps this is not a festival but more of a looping event, english is my second language keep in mind!.....:).....but i could see doing this as a monthly get together, OPEN TO THE PUBLIC by all means.....this was done in new york on a weekly basis no? (why did these events stop?).....i totally agree with krispin, a 1/2 hr. can be an eternity, i've played many of those sets!.....perhaps rick, if you had a scheduled 10 min. break a little more often rather than the "holy shit something is wrong" break (and here's the important part, your most WONDERFUL FESTS get better and smoother as the YEARS GO BY and there are fewer and fewer "EAR WASH OPPERTUNITIES", wal mart would be proud of your efficency and organizational skills in the running of both yours and i would more than imagine krispin's fests never having been to one i am sorry to say, your festivals rule!.....rickeeee, i crave community more than you!.....why do you think i came out and drive you folks crazy every now and then....:).....YES MORE FESTIVALS!!!!! by all means.....rickeee speaks the TRUTH.....i on the other hand have my perverse pickadillos.....or is that plectrumdillos?.....stay tuned!.....tushak klobuchar www.ct-collective.com http://mysite.verizon.net/vzepmeci/ http://www.myspace.com/klobuchar11 ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. --part1_ced.e213cb8.3358437e_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
    In a message dated 4/18/07 10:46:05 PM, looppool@cruzio.com writes:


    It would be wonderful= do give a 45 minute looping performance in Pittsburgh
    if I were to be invited
    to do so................<smile>.........plus i will pay michael big bu= cks to do this


    you're on bubo!.....:).....my thinking tonite was something along the lin= es of LOOPSTOCK lll but in a more comfortable spot ( kim's famous cookie fac= tory type thang) where a group of loopers would hang for a WHOLE day, being=20= set up at the same time so there are no sets and some mad jammin).....perhap= s this is not a festival but more of a looping event, english is my second l= anguage keep in mind!.....:).....but i could see doing this as a monthly get= together, OPEN TO THE PUBLIC by all means.....this was done in new york on=20= a weekly basis no? (why did these events stop?).....i totally agree with kri= spin, a 1/2 hr. can be an eternity, i've played many of those sets!.....perh= aps rick, if you had a scheduled 10 min. break a little more often rather th= an the "holy shit something is wrong" break (and here's the important part,=20= your most WONDERFUL FESTS get better and smoother as the YEARS GO BY and the= re are fewer and fewer "EAR WASH OPPERTUNITIES", wal mart would be proud of=20= your efficency and organizational skills in the running of both yours and i=20= would more than imagine krispin's fests never having been to one i am sorry=20= to say, your festivals rule!.....rickeeee, i crave community more than you!.= ....why do you think i came out and drive you folks crazy every now and then= ....:).....YES MORE FESTIVALS!!!!! by all means.....rickeee speaks the TRUTH= .....i on the other hand have my perverse pickadillos.....or is that plectru= mdillos?.....stay tuned!.....tushak klobuchar



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    See what's=20= free at http://www.aol.com. --part1_ced.e213cb8.3358437e_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 19 04:36:38 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E1FD23BF13; Thu, 19 Apr 2007 04:36:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=gezY5me4qnuEgDgsr3XskAZXqLhOKTfRsz5QseavuoMKm12ecI7yoihUnaEV3JH7llQFl1iSU0ztuB2oCy4FNqgR0bVIkXXiKz/MXWko3ID75wo+MyJdxvJulwb0l44nKhztav07+TB/Y4ABIPjw/CNoQY1UwK4FliwsKtzkrWQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=ULJ/vN9dUPVpNZ1Izhyo+ezyMPER1hXFqWORMN3cRePqvKXBp2f8XpSw1UCXLxiSDXh7AuLDMVVrLDODMkJbu4sx32dpZo8bbU3muawfH0pUeIZKly5snBTwiI6qEnTNIuAyC0b8Ujf+ePROdMFDbPnClqDA2QWfth/kZi9sBuw= Message-ID: Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 06:36:34 +0200 From: "Raul Bonell" To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Subject: OT: brickwall MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69672 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 04:36:37 +0000 (UTC) does anybody know of a good (.. and cheap?) brickwall limiter for preventing clips when recording into the line-in of a soundcard... I'm assuming here, this can't be done via software... thanks, ra=FCl. --=20 The Playing Orchestra: http://www.telefonica.net/web2/tpo Chain Tape Collective: http://www.ct-collective.com TPO at myspace: http://www.myspace.com/theplayingorchestra From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 19 04:43:43 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 47EE53BF15; Thu, 19 Apr 2007 04:43:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=RU+SHxll3uOOlz874BJGHQ1+Pun5wIZFtIhwZn8WgfARQ8kPOIu/T0qutg7KaIwoerZBhOkS66CarD9opullJw4bXLP859tbIyiv9S41lgkzbUOT/PSAOTtLGHFmS6IGHcqVs7DUYCLNDaR29vUheWLgJBUKIQCKV8NTQdKVRYQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=SYMhOEUM8+wJqT7jtQs0HDCd3GgkSVD23PtjDldN31cjqmNHbmL2lfIvYFfLxBZoBYOnjPRDqkrFOXOSbw97jD17i3hyaLitYG4z/uf6Glp0d3WDOLDCYwn+Uxmn0G9P0f6jPP6uXkLsHCUnfbGqRl3pB2Wvb/WibNwSrkcUIbc= Message-ID: Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 21:43:41 -0700 From: "Travis Hartnett" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: My piano looping video/ and some thoughts In-Reply-To: <8C95009A18C0E77-11A4-3872@mblk-d38.sysops.aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <8C95009A18C0E77-11A4-3872@mblk-d38.sysops.aol.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69673 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 04:43:43 +0000 (UTC) Personally, I don't like the music festival approach. To me it's about as appealing as the idea of having sex with (say) six people in an evening, thirty minutes at a time, with ten or fifteen minutes between each person. Or drinking six different bottles of wine over the course of a night in the same manner. Oh, it may sound like a good idea beforehand, but when you get down to actually doing it... As an audience member, I really prefer to see one musical performance, no more than two in a twenty-four hour period. Many people seem to feel otherwise, hence the number of tickets sold to weekend rock festivals. No lineup could entice me to one of those, regardless of the bands to ticket price ratio. Booking agents like multi-artist bills because it maxmizes the number potential drink buying crowd (lottery system open mics are the best example of this--all the musicians have to sit around much longer than if they knew when they were going on, and so do their handful of friends...drinking). But for me personally, it doesn't work, as an audience member or as a performer. And yeah, if I'm unfamiliar with an musician's work beforehand, my attention is really going to start waning around 45 minutes unless they're a stone cold genius. But for all of you who enjoy it, by all means, carry on. TravisH On 4/18/07, nemoguitt@aol.com wrote: > fabio....a very nice piece of music but it made me reflect on a > corncern that i have about the 1/2 hr. formats of the loopfests... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 19 05:13:22 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 925EA3BF1A; Thu, 19 Apr 2007 05:13:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4626FA5F.5000601@mhorse.com> Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 00:13:03 -0500 From: Daryl Shawn User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.10 (Windows/20070221) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: My piano looping video/ and some thoughts References: <8C95009A18C0E77-11A4-3872@mblk-d38.sysops.aol.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69674 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 05:13:22 +0000 (UTC) I see your point, I really do, but not everybody would view this as the MOST un-appealing of scenarios..! :-D Daryl Shawn www.swanwelder.com www.chinapaintingmusic.com > Personally, I don't like the music festival approach. To me it's > about as appealing as the idea of having sex with (say) six people in > an evening, thirty minutes at a time, with ten or fifteen minutes > between each person. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 19 05:21:18 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 064AE3BF1B; Thu, 19 Apr 2007 05:21:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Originating-IP: [207.90.215.250] X-Identified-User: {864:box76.bluehost.com:kevinkis:kevinkissinger.com} {sentby:webmail from 207.90.215.250} Message-ID: <20070419002115.iap0my3dc8048gk4@69.89.21.76> Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 00:21:15 -0500 From: kkissinger@kevinkissinger.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: My piano looping video/ and some thoughts References: <8C95009A18C0E77-11A4-3872@mblk-d38.sysops.aol.com> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.3) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69675 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 05:21:17 +0000 (UTC) Quoting Travis Hartnett : > the music festival approach... I have done solo recitals and have played for conventions and festivals, too= . My ego tends to prefer a solo recital however, as I look back, the =20 performances I've delivered at festivals and conventions have been =20 among my best. I am not sure why this is... perhaps there is a =20 certain "energy" about festival events. As far as the 30 minute vs. 45 minute format -- well... IF I had to =20 haul my entire PA system halfway across the country I could hardly =20 justify a set under 45 minutes (though, 45 minutes is, I feel, an =20 optimal amount of time for the material I play). If I need only haul =20 my (minimal) stage equipment, then 30 minutes is OK. My music tends =20 to be relatively concise -- my works typically range from five to ten =20 minutes each. Thus, a 30-minute set would consist of three or four =20 works. > And yeah, if I'm unfamiliar with an musician's work beforehand, my > attention is really going to start waning around 45 minutes unless > they're a stone cold genius. HaHa! I spose genius (like beauty) is in the eye of the beholder. =20 Personally, I would rather play a shorter set and hold the listeners' =20 attention than overstay my musical welcome. > But for all of you who enjoy it, by all means, carry on. :) -- Kevin From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 19 07:08:01 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 71F0E3BF11; Thu, 19 Apr 2007 07:08:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-priority:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=RtssrD9++txNnhsgB2dU7oR1pvWICgKVe9s7cP3rgEHIDHeEIK7Rxh28AKCBLEKWzrlmUGeskA2CL9DQr406y8NcSK2uL39B2puRkfF1bJwe+7EcjFG1p7+VVx2pEdg3MgfGDLhdZzS0Ju6pCw1ZxpuoEvxKfz1xFtMkPt2befI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-priority:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=scU+XnJB55rOcCSYVRdknSBDqOc4eFpj1k1J8q2nAKx+bpO81HKY9KazPO26ubxmefvTpdEYfa98J3g4jBcUE2UQ6SXAWAuCfW6KzBRK12i68tTj02R2dl4Um+lM2dii788wgnYiSGfLPlxWRz5lZErZqmkWwZ97oTBxoludaGk= In-Reply-To: <077a01c78230$4eb256a0$33c8f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> References: <013901c7822c$e7a6f900$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> <077a01c78230$4eb256a0$33c8f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: "musical performance buffet" (was: M. Klobuchars' critique if the 30 minute loopfest performance format was: My piano looping video/ and some thoughts Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 09:07:47 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69676 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 07:08:01 +0000 (UTC) I think the 30 minute spots festivals are great! Heck, I've even played 20 minute gigs with no problem. When I wrote that I had problems digesting too much music at one night, when attending as part of the audience, I forgot to say that this was thirty years ago. Today I can listen nonstop and fully enjoy it as a stream, and I've seen other people having that ability as their default talent right from the start. I'd also like to look at the 30 minute spot festival format as a "musical performance buffet". You choose some goodies for your plate and then get out of the gunfire. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen (today in love with all too much) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 19 07:18:09 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 981DE3BF11; Thu, 19 Apr 2007 07:18:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=PPLD3aNRJEpca+vGaZF62BLbzAwRt+EJqOq3KOLMK1XKz92iqvVs1wDvIysmjc4Y6JvliTKZW0E//sYaZ1/oE3+qRq2kSiB5FX2iciCRImpXuoN9IPOZi2EhIssM5glm2NJiLDmUGwVizZotjWTKjbwEJPqBLSAP/4y3pzpGfXY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=J56E5BvmDq31XFMKj71FvFasblldY8jdmCTfKReO1SlUmpzoGKqHfmm79Y3JHJ53wMmQZKBuc5Bo9LhFR0+hZmluG6RAO0u5urt6L1YOfCgt1bxpqjVqkcMHUC+7LZCC95OeC6tGk1rB1IO9R9Caygtv2QcYWlPVpUf7vvtJqX8= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: OT: brickwall Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 09:17:39 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69677 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 07:18:09 +0000 (UTC) On 19 apr 2007, at 06.36, Raul Bonell wrote: > does anybody know of a good (.. and cheap?) brickwall limiter for > preventing clips when recording into the line-in of a soundcard... I'm > assuming here, this can't be done via software... thanks, ra=FCl. The FMR Audio boxes are among the most price worthy. I have their RNC =20= (Really Nice Compressor) which I always use. Not before the recorder =20 though, since I rather prefer to take care with my playing and keep =20 the natural dynamics of the instrument - but if you want a limiter =20 pre input I think it would be fine. I know Krispen H also has a RNC =20 and uses it before the input. Maybe you can chime in Kris? http://www.fmraudio.com/productspage.htm Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) http://tinyurl.com/2kek7h (CC donationware music releases) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 19 09:42:33 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9C4CA3BF08; Thu, 19 Apr 2007 09:42:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: OT: brickwall Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 11:42:45 +0200 Organization: Moinlabs Message-ID: <001601c78267$15632550$1001a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Thread-Index: AceCPFF6IbLVxeRHTbWwvfsmleNHLgAKmk9Q X-RZG-AUTH: lUESeo99iNzPL8kuBgLYdKEqUywq9cxqeRA+BtFcSCD5deQ7OIRHGigcp1Q= X-RZG-CLASS-ID: mo07 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69678 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 09:42:33 +0000 (UTC) While we already had the "brickwall limiting doesn't exist in the = analogue world" discussion a few days back (I firmly believe it could exist by = using longer cables in your main signal path ;), there is on the cheap front = the discontinued Alesis NanoLimiter, which has a very characteristic sound = you may or may not like. Then there are the older Behringer Composers which sound quite fine if you combine the compressor and limiter section in a meaningful way. > does anybody know of a good (.. and cheap?) brickwall limiter=20 > for preventing clips when recording into the line-in of a=20 > soundcard... I'm assuming here, this can't be done via=20 > software... thanks, ra=FCl. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 19 10:23:09 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1AE523BF0B; Thu, 19 Apr 2007 10:23:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 06:20:09 -0400 From: Bill Fox Subject: Listen to Afterglow, Galactic Travels, and The AM/FM Show To: undisclosed-recipients: ; Message-id: <46274259.3060709@soundscapes.us> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.10 (Windows/20070221) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69679 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 10:23:09 +0000 (UTC) AFTERGLOW ON WMUH: http://soundscapes.us/afterglow ======================================================================= Afterglow airs from 8:00 am to 9:30 am every Thursday morning. Tune in for a delightful mix of eclectic musical genres including a healthy dose of Progressive Rock. Tune in at 91.7 FM or on the internet at: http://muhlenberg.edu/wmuh GALACTIC TRAVELS ON WDIY: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt ======================================================================= Tonight at 11 pm on Galactic Travels, I'll continue the month-long Special Focus on Jean-Pierre Saccomani from the UK. The Featured CD at Midnight will be "Equilibre thermique de l'igloo en phase de fonte" by Jean-Pierre Saccomani and Jean-Luc H. Berthelot on MCP Records. The Vinyl Starter will be from the LP "Defense De" by Birge, Gorge, and Shiroc on Sun Records and released in 1975. For details, see the Special Focus page at: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2007/focus.html#apr Galactic Travels is an electronic, ambient, and space music show that airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg, 93.7 FM in Fogelsville and Trexlertown, on the internet, and in High Definition Radio at 88.1 FM. THE AM/FM SHOW ON WMUH: http://soundscapes.us/amfm ======================================================================= My next stint on the AM/FM Show will be Saturday, April 21 at 6:00 am. I will continue the special on E-dition Electronic Music Magazine's sampler CDs. I will play the music of bands playing that night at the New Jersy Proghouse and at The Gatherings. Tune in to WMUH Allentown at 91.7 FM, broadcasting from the campus of Muhlenberg College. I alternate hosting the show with Bruce. When I am at the helm, the show features electronic, ambient, and spacemusic at the beginning, an eclectic mix of genres in the middle, and winds up with Progressive Rock. WMUH's web site is http://muhlenberg.edu/wmuh ====================================================================== All times are EDT / GMT-6? because the US is on Daylight Savings Time. Listen on-line to WDIY at http://wdiy.org and click LISTEN or go directly to: http://rm1.refugemedia.com/ramgen/encoder/wdiy.rm Listen on-line to WMUH at http://www.muhlenberg.edu/wmuh and click the REAL AUDIO link or go directly to: rtsp://helix.muhlenberg.edu:554/broadcast/live.rm From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 19 10:38:26 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AA9403BF13; Thu, 19 Apr 2007 10:38:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: AW: trade my doodle for a smoodle Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 12:38:38 +0200 Organization: Moinlabs Message-ID: <001801c7826e$e4240dd0$1001a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Thread-Index: AceB/wtTHiO9+RFQRLiIkAnGvfLC6gAb3H0g X-RZG-AUTH: lUESeo99iNzPL8kuBgLYdKEqUywq9cxqeRA+BtFcSCD5deQ7OIRHGigcp1Q= X-RZG-CLASS-ID: mo07 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69680 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 10:38:26 +0000 (UTC) Although I'm not a guitar player (I only have one), I enjoyed the stuff, but got interested by part of your statement: (stilll the fastest AND best sounding loopmachine on the planet) what does that mean? what makes a loopmachine fast? And how is it faster than, say, a digitech PDS? What makes a loopmachine good sounding for you? Fidelity? And if so, why is it better sounding than e.g. an Eventide H8000 (or even an Eclipse), or a computer with pristine converters? Curious, Rainer From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 19 12:18:42 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1623B3BF13; Thu, 19 Apr 2007 12:18:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <00ac01c7827d$07639c80$7d7bb251@homemain> From: "Dan Mayfield" To: References: <013901c7822c$e7a6f900$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> <077a01c78230$4eb256a0$33c8f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Subject: "musical performance buffet" Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 13:19:50 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69681 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 12:18:41 +0000 (UTC) Hi "You choose some goodies for your plate and then get out of the gunfire" Not too sure where you go to get your buffets Per but the food must be amazing! :-) Dan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Per Boysen" To: Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2007 8:07 AM Subject: "musical performance buffet" (was: M. Klobuchars' critique if the 30 minute loopfest performance format was: My piano looping video/ and some thoughts >I think the 30 minute spots festivals are great! > > Heck, I've even played 20 minute gigs with no problem. When I wrote that > I had problems digesting too much music at one night, when attending as > part of the audience, I forgot to say that this was thirty years ago. > Today I can listen nonstop and fully enjoy it as a stream, and I've seen > other people having that ability as their default talent right from the > start. > > I'd also like to look at the 30 minute spot festival format as a "musical > performance buffet". You choose some goodies for your plate and then get > out of the gunfire. > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > (today in love with all too much) > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 19 13:11:28 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DC9A53BF08; Thu, 19 Apr 2007 13:11:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: reminder: openplug internet jam Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 15:11:40 +0200 Organization: Moinlabs Message-ID: <000d01c78284$44cf9fe0$1001a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Thread-Index: AceChESMu0UlktRBTqKxWANWLoQa0A== X-RZG-AUTH: lUESeo99iNzPL8kuBgLYdKEqUywq9cxqeRA+BtFcSCD5deQ7OIJeDp3XwQ== X-RZG-CLASS-ID: mo07 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69682 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 13:11:28 +0000 (UTC) Just wanted to remind you all about this: http://www.t-u-b-e.de/openplug.htm It's an open internet session, happening today at 1800 UTC. You'll need their proprietary AU/VST plugin (or Mac standalone software), available for download above, and then just join the fun! Of course, you can also use that plugin to simply listen to the fun. I'll be there in case someone cares - watch out for "moinho"! Rainer From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 19 13:12:09 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2FA873BF0C; Thu, 19 Apr 2007 13:12:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at cavesofice.org Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 09:11:44 -0400 (EDT) From: burnett@pobox.com X-X-Sender: badger@giggles.cavesofice.org To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Subscape Annex Thursday, VJ CyOps and DJ RasMusis Friday, Durham NC, USA Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69683 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 13:12:09 +0000 (UTC) Tonight, I will be playing solo improvisational looping ambient/industrial theremin and Chapman Stick this Thursday from 9pm to 11pm at the Nasher Museum of Art in Durham. I'll be playing immediately following the keynote address by John Seely Brown to open the HASTAC Conference. Admission is free. Information at the link: http://www.hastac.org/node/654 ################ Friday: Rene Garcia (performing as VJ Cyops) of San Diego, working with local DJ and bassist DJ RasMusis, who has also performed as / as part of HyMettus Woods, Odd International, Plural I, and Razor Wire Safety Net), will perform at the PSI Theatre of the Durham Arts Council Friday evening beginning at 9pm. Admission is alo free. VJ Cyops and DJ RasMusis event information: http://www.hastac.org/node/733 Rene Garcia: http://www.renegarcia.net/ Several events of the HASTAC Conference "Electronic Techtonics: Thinking at the Interface" are free and open to the public. The list is at: http://www.hastac.org/informationyear/conference/free_events best, Steve B Subscape Annex http://www.subscapeannex.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 19 13:26:03 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A54E53BF11; Thu, 19 Apr 2007 13:26:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <000701c78286$553df1e0$4101a8c0@mini> From: "Claude Voit" To: Subject: busy I was lately Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 15:26:26 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69684 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 13:26:03 +0000 (UTC) Yes I'm happy to announce that my home made web site (v 1.0) is online and ready for the world .... www.claudevoit.ch comments, bugs, wishes, etc... welcome Hava nice day Claude www.myspace.com/claudevoit/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 19 14:22:54 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 91D583BF0C; Thu, 19 Apr 2007 14:22:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <000701c78286$553df1e0$4101a8c0@mini> References: <000701c78286$553df1e0$4101a8c0@mini> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-4--1030625856 Message-Id: <7ec306071bdececd027cd73b732f51ad@glasswing.com> From: Richard Sales Subject: Re: busy I was lately Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 07:22:33 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69685 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 14:22:54 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-4--1030625856 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Very nice music Claude! Well done. richard sales glassWing farm and studio vancouver island, b.c. 800.545.6846 250.752.4816 www.glassWing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com On 19-Apr-07, at 6:26 AM, Claude Voit wrote: > Yes I'm happy to announce that my home made web site (v 1.0) is > online and ready for the world .... > www.claudevoit.ch > comments, bugs, wishes, etc... welcome > > Hava nice day > > Claude > > > www.myspace.com/claudevoit/ --Apple-Mail-4--1030625856 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=US-ASCII Very nice music Claude! Well done. Gadgetrichard sales 7373,7F7F,C5C5glassWing farm and studio vancouver island, b.c. 800.545.6846 250.752.4816C3C3,9696,1C1C www.glassWing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com On 19-Apr-07, at 6:26 AM, Claude Voit wrote: Yes I'm happy to announce that my home made web site (v 1.0) is online and ready for the world .... www.claudevoit.ch comments, bugs, wishes, etc... welcome Hava nice day Claude www.myspace.com/claudevoit/ --Apple-Mail-4--1030625856-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 19 16:13:57 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6D9DE3BEFC; Thu, 19 Apr 2007 16:13:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <001601c78267$15632550$1001a8c0@succubus> References: <001601c78267$15632550$1001a8c0@succubus> Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 12:13:36 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Charles Zwicky Subject: Re: OT: brickwall Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-ELNK-Trace: e070562f4b6af5994d2b10475b57112015950090b9d9548eb573592ce9dc46e48185584e82353f41350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 69.86.208.154 Resent-Message-ID: <0W-CV.A.EuF.FV5JGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69686 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 16:13:57 +0000 (UTC) There are certainly a lot of brickwall limiters available. Any dbx product with the "peakstop" feature (165 etc) and several Aphex limiters (studio dominator) . My advice, as an engineer: Turn the levels DOWN! You should set the signal level so that the audio PEAKS at -18 on the meter. It's easy (and clean) to add gain later, but clipping is forever, and so is bad peak limiting. -Chuck Zwicky -- ... http://www.zmix.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 19 16:23:29 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AF5B33BF12; Thu, 19 Apr 2007 16:23:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Originating-IP: [216.113.128.239] X-Identified-User: {864:box76.bluehost.com:kevinkis:kevinkissinger.com} {sentby:webmail from 216.113.128.239} Message-ID: <20070419112327.vh41tryj5wcs8sc0@69.89.21.76> Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 11:23:27 -0500 From: kkissinger@kevinkissinger.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: brickwall References: <001601c78267$15632550$1001a8c0@succubus> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.3) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69687 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 16:23:29 +0000 (UTC) Quoting Charles Zwicky : > My advice, as an engineer: Turn the levels DOWN! > > You should set the signal level so that the audio PEAKS at -18 on the meter. > I agree with your advice. For the -18 level, are you referring to a traditional VU meter or a peak reading meter? 18db seems like a lot of headroom. Would you elaborate? Much appreciated. Normally I set my peaks just below full-scale -- I prefer to carry sufficient headroom for the peaks rather than limiting/compressing. The result is that my "home grown" cd's are not as "loud" as others -- however I just turn up my volume control a bit to compensate. fyi -- my approach to recording is more akin to classical music recording than, say, dance or pop music. In general, my cds' levels match up with commercial classical cds' ok but my kids pop/heavy metal/hip-hip cds' levels pretty much bury my stuff. :) -- Kevin From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 19 16:35:56 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id ADA893BF0F; Thu, 19 Apr 2007 16:35:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <46279A57.1090704@mhorse.com> Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 11:35:35 -0500 From: Daryl Shawn User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.10 (Windows/20070221) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Cc: e t e r o g e n e o Subject: Review of "Great Speeches" and others Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69688 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 16:35:55 +0000 (UTC) I've posted a review of Fabio Anile's (and others') "Great Speeches". http://www.swanwelder.com/mutereactionary/Fabio_Anile.htm Forgive the rudimentary site, I haven't gotten around to designing something nice yet. I'll leave the navigation the same, though, if anyone wishes to link to their review page I'll make sure it doesn't break. Also up are my past reviews of Per Boysen's "Oooh", Krispen Hartung's "Fragments", Rob McDade's single "Dickhead in a G String", and some other non-looper types. Main page is here: http://www.swanwelder.com/mutereactionary I'll try to review anything that people post to LD looking for feedback, but feel free to email me (offlist!) with anything specific you'd like to have picked apart in public. Daryl Shawn www.swanwelder.com www.chinapaintingmusic.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 19 17:35:24 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B1B1A3BF0B; Thu, 19 Apr 2007 17:35:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20070419112327.vh41tryj5wcs8sc0@69.89.21.76> References: <001601c78267$15632550$1001a8c0@succubus> <20070419112327.vh41tryj5wcs8sc0@69.89.21.76> Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 13:34:48 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Charles Zwicky Subject: Re: OT: brickwall Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-ELNK-Trace: e070562f4b6af5994d2b10475b571120492978d0168b22a978435bd4124f6cd132c396c89176d672350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 69.86.208.154 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69689 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 17:35:24 +0000 (UTC) Kevin, I recommend that the DAW meters (which are peak reading meters) indicate -18dbfs. I am talking about RECORDING here. when you are producing the final product, then you can apply peak limiting as desired. To elaborate: 18db is NOT alot of headroom. If you scan the resulting file you are going to find that the signal will hit much hotter than the meters are capable of indicating, particularly digital meters, since they need to average across several samples. Pro studios use a calibration standard ranging from -14 to -22dbfs. Every record I am sent to mix that has been recorded to this standard has a peak in the file between 0db and -3. If the reference level was higher, there would certainly be 'overs' in the file. Almost every modern A/D converter, even a lowly soundcard, has a better signal to noise ratio than the source. This means that there is no need to 'print hot' since you are not increasing the signal-to-noise ratio, only recording the source's background noise at a higher level. Subsequently, every DAW or audio editor has tremendous internal dynamic range and it is not going to compromise the signal to add gain in the DAW. -CZ >Quoting Charles Zwicky : > >>My advice, as an engineer: Turn the levels DOWN! >> >>You should set the signal level so that the audio PEAKS at -18 on the meter. >> > >I agree with your advice. For the -18 level, are you referring to a >traditional VU meter or a peak reading meter? 18db seems like a >lot of headroom. Would you elaborate? Much appreciated. > >Normally I set my peaks just below full-scale -- I prefer to carry >sufficient headroom for the peaks rather than limiting/compressing. >The result is that my "home grown" cd's are not as "loud" as others >-- however I just turn up my volume control a bit to compensate. > >fyi -- my approach to recording is more akin to classical music >recording than, say, dance or pop music. In general, my cds' levels >match up with commercial classical cds' ok but my kids pop/heavy >metal/hip-hip cds' levels pretty much bury my stuff. :) > >-- Kevin -- ... http://www.zmix.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 19 17:42:57 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 813D23BF1D; Thu, 19 Apr 2007 17:42:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Originating-IP: [216.113.128.239] X-Identified-User: {864:box76.bluehost.com:kevinkis:kevinkissinger.com} {sentby:webmail from 216.113.128.239} Message-ID: <20070419124254.w7ti3cubcwccowos@69.89.21.76> Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 12:42:54 -0500 From: kkissinger@kevinkissinger.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: brickwall References: <001601c78267$15632550$1001a8c0@succubus> <20070419112327.vh41tryj5wcs8sc0@69.89.21.76> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.3) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69690 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 17:42:57 +0000 (UTC) Quoting Charles Zwicky : > Kevin, > > I recommend that the DAW meters (which are peak reading meters) > indicate -18dbfs. > > I am talking about RECORDING here. when you are producing the final > product, then you can apply peak limiting as desired... Charles, Excellent and useful information. 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In-Reply-To: <46263F5B.19287.17947417@muman.eskimo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <46263F5B.19287.17947417@muman.eskimo.com> Resent-Message-ID: <-NvNFC.A.JPG.jU7JGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69691 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 18:29:56 +0000 (UTC) Thanks for the british audio service tip. My concern about the switches that come with the foot pedal is that I have trouble depressing them consistently/reliably, and I think that this would be fixed by having switches that are more raised. As it is, I've been trying to use my big toe sometimes, so can't wear shoes, and this is not convenient or easy. I also didn't realize that getting 7 of those switches would cost around $50, though. I guess the other option would be not to baby the foot pedal and not to worry about literally stomping on the buttons, which could be my problem too. On 4/18/07, muman wrote: > Eben, > Below is the link someone recently posted for heavy duty stompbox style switches. > You can install or they can install. If you want to replace the red ones, get them direct from > mouser (the part number is on the Loopers Delight) web site), they are a bit cheaper. > > I've already replaced two switches (the red ones) and it's very easy. Open up the > footcontroller and take a look. You'll be surprise at minimum electronics inside. A great > design. > > http://www.britishaudioservice.com/shop_main_echoplex.shtml > > > > I recently got an EDP and the pedal board that Gibson makes for it > > (TGE04), and am wondering how difficult it would be to swap out the > > red plastic switches for more usable ones. 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There have been some excellent responses to this question already but =20=

let me pile on.

There are a few devices that do limiting before the converters, and =20
some do it very well, but in the analog world it is not possible to =20
catch all the sharp transients. This is what changed in the digital =20
world, where the software could anticipate the transients (by =20
delaying the sources material). In the analog world, the signal has =20
already passed the threshold before the limiter knows its time to =20
turn it down. The natural compression/saturation of analog tape is an =20=

exception to this.

This is a timely subject, as I am in the middle of writing a magazine =20=

about this issue called "RED =3D BAD".

If you are recording to 24 bit and feeling the need to record with =20
some kind of limiter in front of the converters, it means you are =20
recording incorrectly. There is no reason to record your levels so =20
hot that you are running the risk of clipping the converters. Many =20
people will get led astray and be told that you should be recording =20
your levels as hot as possible with out hitting the red (OdBfs). =20
There are many reasons why this is not advantageous which are beyond =20
the scope of what I will write about here, but the biggest one is =20
that if the performance ends up being more dynamic than you =20
predicted, you will have clipped the converters and distorted the =20
material. I make about half my living mixing records that other =20
people have recorded, and I am pretty good at it but there are a few =20
things that will completely tie my hands or not be "fixable", the =20
absolute worst is super hot levels that clip. with the exception of =20
the close mics on drums, there is no fix for this!!! (The close mic =20
fix is replacing the drums with samples)

Many people will record really hot levels because they feel the need =20
to get  maximum resolution and detail, while this is an argument that =20=

is worth considering, in practical use it is just a bad idea. All =20
meters are different, but keep in mind that if you are recording at =20
24 bit and your meters are going about half way up the meter scale, =20
you have far surpassed the resolution of an audio CD and I think its =20
safe to say that if you are looper using a bunch of FX, you will have =20=

surpassed the resolution/dynamic range of the source material being =20
recorded when the meters on your software are less than a 1/4 up your =20=

meters.

Do not confuse recording levels with final CD levels. Once you have =20
recorded the music there are lots of ways to cleanly and safely get =20
your levels to compete with other commercial CDs


Ronan Chris Murphy
www.venetowest.com (Production & mixing: King Crimson, Chucho Valdes, =20=

Steve Morse, Terry Bozzio, CGT...)
www.homerecordingbootcamp.com (Workshops around the world teaching =20
the art and craft of recording )
www.livesofthesaints.net (The hottest ambient noise duo since Sonny & =20=

Cher)

On Apr 18, 2007, at 9:36 PM, Raul Bonell wrote:

> does anybody know of a good (.. and cheap?) brickwall limiter for
> preventing clips when recording into the line-in of a soundcard... I'm
> assuming here, this can't be done via software... thanks, ra=FCl.
>
>
> --=20
> The Playing Orchestra: http://www.telefonica.net/web2/tpo
> Chain Tape Collective: http://www.ct-collective.com
> TPO at myspace: http://www.myspace.com/theplayingorchestra
>
>


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    There have been some =
excellent responses to this question already but let me pile =
on.

    There are =
a few devices that do limiting before the converters, and some do it =
very well, but in the analog world it is not possible to catch all the =
sharp transients. This is what changed in the digital world, where the =
software could anticipate the transients (by delaying the sources =
material). In the analog world, the signal has already passed the =
threshold before the limiter knows its time to turn it down. The natural =
compression/saturation of analog tape is an exception to =
this.

    This is =
a timely subject, as I am in the middle of writing a magazine about this =
issue called "RED =3D BAD".

    If you are recording to 24 =
bit and feeling the need to record with some kind of limiter in front of =
the converters, it means you are recording incorrectly. There is no =
reason to record your levels so hot that you are running the risk of =
clipping the converters. Many people will get led astray and be told =
that you should be recording your levels as hot as possible with out =
hitting the red (OdBfs). There are many reasons why this is not =
advantageous which are beyond the scope of what I will write about here, =
but the biggest one is that if the performance ends up being more =
dynamic than you predicted, you will have clipped the converters and =
distorted the material. I make about half my living mixing records that =
other people have recorded, and I am pretty good at it but there are a =
few things that will completely tie my hands or not be "fixable", the =
absolute worst is super hot levels that clip. with the exception of the =
close mics on drums, there is no fix for this!!! (The close mic fix is =
replacing the drums with samples)

    Many people will record =
really hot levels because they feel the need to get=A0 maximum =
resolution and detail, while this is an argument that is worth =
considering, in practical use it is just a bad idea. All meters are =
different, but keep in mind that if you are recording at 24 bit and your =
meters are going about half way up the meter scale, you have far =
surpassed the resolution of an audio CD and I think its safe to say that =
if you are looper using a bunch of FX, you will have surpassed the =
resolution/dynamic range of the source material being recorded when the =
meters on your software are less than a 1/4 up your =
meters.

    Do =
not confuse recording levels with final CD levels. Once you have =
recorded the music there are lots of ways to cleanly and safely get your =
levels to compete with other commercial CDs


     
    Ronan Chris Murphy
     
    www.venetowest.com =
(Production & mixing: King Crimson, Chucho Valdes, Steve Morse, =
Terry Bozzio, CGT...)
     
    www.homerecordingbootcamp.com (Workshops around the world =
teaching the art and craft of recording )
     
    www.livesofthesaints.net (The =
hottest ambient noise duo since Sonny & Cher)
      =


    On Apr 18, 2007, at 9:36 PM, Raul Bonell =
wrote:

    does anybody know of a good (.. =
and cheap?) brickwall limiter for
    preventing =
clips when recording into the line-in of a soundcard... I'm
    assuming here, this can't be done via software... =
thanks, ra=FCl.


    --=A0
    The =
Playing Orchestra: http://www.telefonica.net/web2=
/tpo

    =

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Ronan,
  Thanks for restating everything I already said on the subject... ;-)
I'd like to correct your misaprehension of analog tape saturation.
Saturation is not an exception to any limiting=20
'law' since it's not the same thing.
It's simply magnetic clipping.
  As I stated erlier, there are several=20
instantanious analog peak limiters on the market.

Good luck on your article!

>There have been some excellent responses to this=20
>question already but let me pile on.
>
>There are a few devices that do limiting before=20
>the converters, and some do it very well, but in=20
>the analog world it is not possible to catch all=20
>the sharp transients. This is what changed in=20
>the digital world, where the software could=20
>anticipate the transients (by delaying the=20
>sources material). In the analog world, the=20
>signal has already passed the threshold before=20
>the limiter knows its time to turn it down. The=20
>natural compression/saturation of analog tape is=20
>an exception to this.
>
>This is a timely subject, as I am in the middle=20
>of writing a magazine about this issue called=20
>"RED =3D BAD".
>
>If you are recording to 24 bit and feeling the=20
>need to record with some kind of limiter in=20
>front of the converters, it means you are=20
>recording incorrectly. There is no reason to=20
>record your levels so hot that you are running=20
>the risk of clipping the converters. Many people=20
>will get led astray and be told that you should=20
>be recording your levels as hot as possible with=20
>out hitting the red (OdBfs). There are many=20
>reasons why this is not advantageous which are=20
>beyond the scope of what I will write about=20
>here, but the biggest one is that if the=20
>performance ends up being more dynamic than you=20
>predicted, you will have clipped the converters=20
>and distorted the material. I make about half my=20
>living mixing records that other people have=20
>recorded, and I am pretty good at it but there=20
>are a few things that will completely tie my=20
>hands or not be "fixable", the absolute worst is=20
>super hot levels that clip. with the exception=20
>of the close mics on drums, there is no fix for=20
>this!!! (The close mic fix is replacing the=20
>drums with samples)
>
>Many people will record really hot levels=20
>because they feel the need to get  maximum=20
>resolution and detail, while this is an argument=20
>that is worth considering, in practical use it=20
>is just a bad idea. All meters are different,=20
>but keep in mind that if you are recording at 24=20
>bit and your meters are going about half way up=20
>the meter scale, you have far surpassed the=20
>resolution of an audio CD and I think its safe=20
>to say that if you are looper using a bunch of=20
>FX, you will have surpassed the=20
>resolution/dynamic range of the source material=20
>being recorded when the meters on your software=20
>are less than a 1/4 up your meters.
>
>Do not confuse recording levels with final CD=20
>levels. Once you have recorded the music there=20
>are lots of ways to cleanly and safely get your=20
>levels to compete with other commercial CDs
>
>
>Ronan Chris Murphy
>
>www.venetowest.com (Production & mixing: King=20
>Crimson, Chucho Valdes, Steve Morse, Terry=20
>Bozzio, CGT...)
>
>www.homerecordingbootcamp.com (Workshops around=20
>the world teaching the art and craft of=20
>recording )
>
>www.livesofthesaints.net (The hottest ambient noise duo since Sonny & Cher)
>
>
>On Apr 18, 2007, at 9:36 PM, Raul Bonell wrote:
>
>>does anybody know of a good (.. and cheap?) brickwall limiter for
>>preventing clips when recording into the line-in of a soundcard... I'm
>>assuming here, this can't be done via software... thanks, ra=FCl.
>>
>>
>>--
>>The Playing Orchestra:=20
>>http://www.telefonica.net/web2/tpo
>>Chain Tape Collective:=20
>>http://www.ct-collective.com
>>TPO at myspace:=20
>>http://www.myspace.com/theplay=
ingorchestra


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Re: OT: brickwall


    

    Ronan,
    

     Thanks for restating everything I already said on the
subject... ;-)
    

    I'd like to correct your misaprehension of analog tape
saturation.
    

    Saturation is not an exception to any limiting 'law' since it's
not the same thing.
    

    It's simply magnetic clipping.
    

     As I stated erlier, there are several instantanious analog
peak limiters on the market.
    


    

    Good luck on your article!
    


    

    There have been some excellent responses
to this question already but let me pile on.
    


    

    There are a few devices that do limiting
before the converters, and some do it very well, but in the analog
world it is not possible to catch all the sharp transients. This is
what changed in the digital world, where the software could anticipate
the transients (by delaying the sources material). In the analog
world, the signal has already passed the threshold before the limiter
knows its time to turn it down. The natural compression/saturation of
analog tape is an exception to this.
    


    

    This is a timely subject, as I am in the
middle of writing a magazine about this issue called "RED =3D
BAD".
    


    

    If you are recording to 24 bit and
feeling the need to record with some kind of limiter in front of the
converters, it means you are recording incorrectly. There is no reason
to record your levels so hot that you are running the risk of clipping
the converters. Many people will get led astray and be told that you
should be recording your levels as hot as possible with out hitting
the red (OdBfs). There are many reasons why this is not advantageous
which are beyond the scope of what I will write about here, but the
biggest one is that if the performance ends up being more dynamic than
you predicted, you will have clipped the converters and distorted the
material. I make about half my living mixing records that other people
have recorded, and I am pretty good at it but there are a few things
that will completely tie my hands or not be "fixable", the
absolute worst is super hot levels that clip. with the exception of
the close mics on drums, there is no fix for this!!! (The close mic
fix is replacing the drums with samples)
    


    

    Many people will record really hot levels
because they feel the need to get  maximum resolution and detail,
while this is an argument that is worth considering, in practical use
it is just a bad idea. All meters are different, but keep in mind that
if you are recording at 24 bit and your meters are going about half
way up the meter scale, you have far surpassed the resolution of an
audio CD and I think its safe to say that if you are looper using a
bunch of FX, you will have surpassed the resolution/dynamic range of
the source material being recorded when the meters on your software
are less than a 1/4 up your meters.
    


    

    Do not confuse recording levels with
final CD levels. Once you have recorded the music there are lots of
ways to cleanly and safely get your levels to compete with other
commercial CDs
    


    


    

    Ronan Chris Murphy
    

    

    www.venetowest.com (Production & mixing: King Crimson,
Chucho Valdes, Steve Morse, Terry Bozzio, CGT...)
    

    

    www.homerecordingbootcamp.com (Workshops around the world
teaching the art and craft of recording )
    

    

    www.livesofthesaints.net (The hottest ambient noise duo
since Sonny & Cher)
    

    


    

    On Apr 18, 2007, at 9:36 PM, Raul Bonell
wrote:
    


    

    does anybody know of a good (.. and
cheap?) brickwall limiter for
    

    preventing clips when recording into the
line-in of a soundcard... I'm
    

    assuming here, this can't be done via
software... thanks, ra=FCl.
    


    


    

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    Chain Tape Collective: http://www.ct-collective.com
    

    TPO at myspace: http://www.myspace.com/theplayingorchestra
    

    


    


    

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On 18 Apr 2007 at 21:43, Travis Hartnett wrote:

> about as appealing as the idea of having sex with (say) six people in
> an evening, thirty minutes at a time, with ten or fifteen minutes
> between each person.  

In my younger days, this would have certainly appealed, but even 
then, I *may* have struggled with 30 mins at a time ;)

> As an audience member, I really prefer to see one musical performance,

I understand your POV and agree in general, although a well-chosen 
support act is a big bonus - I've seen Queen, Focus, SAHB, Camel, 
Roxy Music and many others as support acts. I feel a Loopfest doesn't 
share the same capitalist ideology as, say, an Ozzfest and shouldn't 
really be assessed in the same way. Also, it's not as if we can pick 
and choose our looping concerts on a regular basis. In the UK, there 
are precious few per yearand mostly unpublicised. 




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On 19 Apr 2007 at 11:35, Daryl Shawn wrote:

> I've posted a review of Fabio Anile's (and others') "Great Speeches".

Very thoughtful - I think reviews like this really help newcomers to 
the looping world to appreciate the thought that goes into the better 
looped music - it's not all "play, loop and widdle". I've posted a 
link to it on my site. Fancy tackling the Paper Music project?

http://www.ct-collective.com/index.cfm?page=music&albumid=25

There's a fairly clear distinction between the tracks using looping 
and those who arrange the sounds using other methods.


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On 19 Apr 2007 at 9:07, Per Boysen wrote:

> I think the 30 minute spots festivals are great!

Me too, Per. I suspect the audiences do as well - if you want more of 
an artist, you can approach them for CDs, further dates etc, if 
you're not enjoying it, half an hour isn't going to drive you away 
from the concert. Opportunities for performing our music are few and 
far between - I'd hate to think by playing a long set I was squeezing 
someone else off the stage. Without some kind of community spirit, 
we'd be really struggling.....

I feel anyone who feels they can't make a valid musical statement in 
30 minutes is either pretentious in the extreme or probably (as we 
say here in Yorkshire), "up their own ar*e". No offence ;)




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http://www.timkaiser.org/Sonic.html

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Dear cyberspace warriors,

an unedited video of my participation at the openplug
(www.t-u-b-e.de/openplug.htm).
This was done using a webcam sitting on top of my Waldorf Q, its internal
mike listening to the room sound (provided by a pair of BM5A nearfields and
by me).

The video is at:
http://video.google.de/videoplay?docid=266953071112854790&hl=de

Enjoy!

	Rainer

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Thanks
my next cd "On a wooden path" will be available soon probably on cdbaby or 
direct from me if you trust me...
some teasers are on the site www.claudevoit.ch some other are on 
www.myspace.com/claudevoit


Claude






> Very nice music Claude! Well done.
>
> richard sales
> glassWing farm and studio
> vancouver island, b.c.
> 800.545.6846
> 250.752.4816
> www.glassWing.com
> www.richardsales.com
> www.hayleysales.com
> www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com
> On 19-Apr-07, at 6:26 AM, Claude Voit wrote:
>
>> Yes I'm happy to announce that my home  made web site (v 1.0) is
>> online and ready for the world ....
>> www.claudevoit.ch
>> comments, bugs, wishes, etc... welcome
>>
>> Hava nice day
>>
>> Claude
>>
>>
>> www.myspace.com/claudevoit/
> 


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My soundcard is a GINA24 from Echo Audio.
I was adding my bass track to some sax, drums, keys,
pre-recorded material ... so I didn't want any click just play along/agains=
t
all, and due to the improvisational feel of the music, sometimes
I reacted playing some ffff parts :-)

Yes, I was wrong. I have to pull down volum faders of all
pre-recorded tracks, and that's enough ...

LD is my favorite clasroom! Very useful info.
Thanks so much to all of you Ronan, Charles, Rainer & Kevin.

Ra=FCl.


2007/4/20, Ronan Chris Murphy :
>
>  There have been some excellent responses to this question already but le=
t
> me pile on.
>
>
> There are a few devices that do limiting before the converters, and some
> do it very well, but in the analog world it is not possible to catch all =
the
> sharp transients. This is what changed in the digital world, where the
> software could anticipate the transients (by delaying the sources materia=
l).
> In the analog world, the signal has already passed the threshold before t=
he
> limiter knows its time to turn it down. The natural compression/saturatio=
n
> of analog tape is an exception to this.
>
>
> This is a timely subject, as I am in the middle of writing a magazine
> about this issue called "RED =3D BAD".
>
>
> If you are recording to 24 bit and feeling the need to record with some
> kind of limiter in front of the converters, it means you are recording
> incorrectly. There is no reason to record your levels so hot that you are
> running the risk of clipping the converters. Many people will get led ast=
ray
> and be told that you should be recording your levels as hot as possible w=
ith
> out hitting the red (OdBfs). There are many reasons why this is not
> advantageous which are beyond the scope of what I will write about here, =
but
> the biggest one is that if the performance ends up being more dynamic tha=
n
> you predicted, you will have clipped the converters and distorted the
> material. I make about half my living mixing records that other people ha=
ve
> recorded, and I am pretty good at it but there are a few things that will
> completely tie my hands or not be "fixable", the absolute worst is super =
hot
> levels that clip. with the exception of the close mics on drums, there is=
 no
> fix for this!!! (The close mic fix is replacing the drums with samples)
>
>
> Many people will record really hot levels because they feel the need to
> get  maximum resolution and detail, while this is an argument that is wor=
th
> considering, in practical use it is just a bad idea. All meters are
> different, but keep in mind that if you are recording at 24 bit and your
> meters are going about half way up the meter scale, you have far surpasse=
d
> the resolution of an audio CD and I think its safe to say that if you are
> looper using a bunch of FX, you will have surpassed the resolution/dynami=
c
> range of the source material being recorded when the meters on your softw=
are
> are less than a 1/4 up your meters.
>
>
> Do not confuse recording levels with final CD levels. Once you have
> recorded the music there are lots of ways to cleanly and safely get your
> levels to compete with other commercial CDs
>
>
>
>  Ronan Chris Murphy
>
> www.venetowest.com (Production & mixing: King Crimson, Chucho Valdes,
> Steve Morse, Terry Bozzio, CGT...)
>
> www.homerecordingbootcamp.com (Workshops around the world teaching the ar=
t
> and craft of recording )
>
> www.livesofthesaints.net (The hottest ambient noise duo since Sonny &
> Cher)
>
>  On Apr 18, 2007, at 9:36 PM, Raul Bonell wrote:
>
>  does anybody know of a good (.. and cheap?) brickwall limiter for
> preventing clips when recording into the line-in of a soundcard... I'm
> assuming here, this can't be done via software... thanks, ra=FCl.
>
>
>
>
> --
> The Playing Orchestra: http://www.telefonica.net/web2/tpo
> Chain Tape Collective: http://www.ct-collective.com
> TPO at myspace: http://www.myspace.com/theplayingorchestra
>
>
>
>
>
>
>


--=20
The Playing Orchestra: http://www.telefonica.net/web2/tpo
Chain Tape Collective: http://www.ct-collective.com
TPO at myspace: http://www.myspace.com/theplayingorchestra

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    My soundcard is a GINA24 from Echo Audio.
    I was adding my bass trac=
k to some sax, drums, keys,
    pre-recorded material ... so I didn't wa=
nt any click just play along/against
    all, and due to the improvisational=
 feel of the music, sometimes

    I reacted playing some ffff parts :-)

    Yes, I was wrong. I have t=
o pull down volum faders of all
    pre-recorded tracks, and that's enou=
gh ...

    LD is my favorite clasroom! Very useful info. 
    Thanks so m=
uch to all of you Ronan, Charles, Rainer & Kevin.


    Ra=FCl.

     
    

    2007/4/20, Ronan Chris Murphy <looper@venetowest.com>:

    

    

    There have been some excellent responses to this question already but =
let me pile on.
    


     
    

    There are a few devices that do limiting before the converters, and so=
me do it very well, but in the analog world it is not possible to catch all=
 the sharp transients. This is what changed in the digital world, where the=
 software could anticipate the transients (by delaying the sources material=
). In the analog world, the signal has already passed the threshold before =
the limiter knows its time to turn it down. The natural compression/saturat=
ion of analog tape is an exception to this.

    


     
    

    This is a timely subject, as I am in the middle of writing a magazine =
about this issue called "RED =3D BAD".
    


     
    

    If you are recording to 24 bit and feeling the need to record with som=
e kind of limiter in front of the converters, it means you are recording in=
correctly. There is no reason to record your levels so hot that you are run=
ning the risk of clipping the converters. Many people will get led astray a=
nd be told that you should be recording your levels as hot as possible with=
 out hitting the red (OdBfs). There are many reasons why this is not advant=
ageous which are beyond the scope of what I will write about here, but the =
biggest one is that if the performance ends up being more dynamic than you =
predicted, you will have clipped the converters and distorted the material.=
 I make about half my living mixing records that other people have recorded=
, and I am pretty good at it but there are a few things that will completel=
y tie my hands or not be "fixable", the absolute worst is super h=
ot levels that clip. with the exception of the close mics on drums, there i=
s no fix for this!!! (The close mic fix is replacing the drums with samples=
)

    


     
    

    Many people will record really hot levels because they feel the need t=
o get  maximum resolution and detail, while this is an argument that i=
s worth considering, in practical use it is just a bad idea. All meters are=
 different, but keep in mind that if you are recording at 24 bit and your m=
eters are going about half way up the meter scale, you have far surpassed t=
he resolution of an audio CD and I think its safe to say that if you are lo=
oper using a bunch of FX, you will have surpassed the resolution/dynamic ra=
nge of the source material being recorded when the meters on your software =
are less than a 1/4 up your meters.

    


     
    

    Do not confuse recording levels with final CD levels. Once you have re=
corded the music there are lots of ways to cleanly and safely get your leve=
ls to compete with other commercial CDs
    


     

    

    

    Ronan Chris Murphy
    

    www.venetow=
est.com
 (Production & mixing: King Crimson, Chucho Valdes, Steve Morse, Terry =
Bozzio, CGT...)
    

    =
www.homerecordingbootcamp.com
 (Workshops around the world teaching the art and craft of recording )<=
/font>
    

    www.l=
ivesofthesaints.net
 (The hottest ambient noise duo since Sonny & Cher)
    


    

    

    On Apr 18, 2007, at 9:36 PM, Raul Bonell wrote:

    

    

    does anybody know of a good (.. and cheap?) bric=
kwall limiter for
    

    preventing clips when recording into the line-in=
 of a soundcard... I'm
    

    assuming here, this can't be done via softwa=
re... thanks, ra=FCl.
    


     
    


     
    

    -- 
    

    The Playing Orchestra: http://www.telefonica.net/web2/tpo
    

    Chain Tape Collective: http://www.ct-collective.com
    



     
    


     
    <=
/div>



    --=
 
    The Playing Orchestra: =
http://www.telefonica.net/web2/tpo

    Chain Tape Collective: htt=
p://www.ct-collective.com
    TPO at myspace: http://www.myspace.com/theplayingorchestra
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> http://www.timkaiser.org/Sonic.html

jawdroppingly awesome

michael www.michaelpeters.de

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I am a market researcher and I currently am studying the trends in use of IT
technologies.   This kind of collaborative experience that Ranier is showing
us is exactly where we can expect tremendous growth in coming years.   The
next wave , or leap, for the user experience will come as critical mass
builds in areas of technology , community, and processes and standards for
connecting it all together.

Thanks, Ranier for letting us view the building of this next wave !
-Qua 

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Dear cyberspace warriors,

an unedited video of my participation at the openplug
(www.t-u-b-e.de/openplug.htm).
This was done using a webcam sitting on top of my Waldorf Q, its internal
mike listening to the room sound (provided by a pair of BM5A nearfields and
by me).

The video is at:
http://video.google.de/videoplay?docid=266953071112854790&hl=de

Enjoy!

	Rainer


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he's a really nice guy too...He is a friend of a jamming friend and I
met Tim once--we talked gear and his stuff--he really knows what he is
doing! Tim also made a special delay for my friend--it is a really
cool multi-delay.


Charlie

On 4/20/07, Michael Peters  wrote:
> > http://www.timkaiser.org/Sonic.html
>
> jawdroppingly awesome
>
> michael www.michaelpeters.de
>
>

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Hi  all,

Just thought I'd pipe in here and say how much I like David Torn's new CD "=
Prezens."

It arrived yesterday and I've been playing it in iTunes at work (much to my=
 co-worker's dismay).

It's pretty darn terrific . . . grab it if you can.

And, David, wherever you are, great work!

Your music just keeps getting better, weirder, and more creative with every=
 release.

--

tEd =C2=AE kiLLiAn

"Different is not always better, but better is always different"

Flux Aeterna: http://phobos.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewAlbum?p=
layListId=3D6378076=20

http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html
http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian
http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html
http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina
http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073
http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314
http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193
http://www.loopers-delight.com/cgi-bin/profiles.cgi?step=3Dview_profile&id=
=3D121197000042

Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes,
BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster,
AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream,
RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks,
and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So???

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I also just received it. My  favorite has been "Polytown". First listen to
"Prezens" caught my attention with the B3 sounds, other interesting
instrumentations etc. I think this one will grow on me !
-Qua  

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Hi  all,

Just thought I'd pipe in here and say how much I like David Torn's new CD
"Prezens."

It arrived yesterday and I've been playing it in iTunes at work (much to my
co-worker's dismay).

It's pretty darn terrific . . . grab it if you can.

And, David, wherever you are, great work!

Your music just keeps getting better, weirder, and more creative with every
release.

--

tEd R kiLLiAn

"Different is not always better, but better is always different"

Flux Aeterna:
http://phobos.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewAlbum?playListId=63780
76 

http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html
http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian
http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html
http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina
http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=2845073
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http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=193
http://www.loopers-delight.com/cgi-bin/profiles.cgi?step=view_profile&id=121
197000042

Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, BuyMusic,
Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, AudioLunchbox, Lindows,
QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect,
CatchMusic, Puretracks, and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah.
So???


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Hey is it too difficult for you to write a new header to a new post that has 
nothing to do with _my_ thread

pissed

Claude




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my basic point if remember correctly, (vicodin withdrawl is HORRIBLE, 
stay away from them kiddies!).....was not necessarily the 1/2 hour set 
being the culprit, it was the six 1/2 hours sets following each other 
without a break that created a problem for me.....and quite often it is 
hard to pick and choose who i am going to walk out on when i do not 
really know their music, or the last time i heard mr. x they sucked but 
this time they were brilliant, it's like almost pissin your pants for 
fear of missing something important in a movie, thnak GOD for 
DVDs!.....and this is from someone who has not made a musical statement 
in over 50 years even though i am pretentiously  "up my own ar*e",  no 
offence taken by any means.....:).....michael


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"Sun's Atmosphere Sings
By Jeanna Bryner
Staff Writer
posted: 18 April 2007
07:58 pm ET
Astronomers have recorded heavenly music bellowed out by the Sun's
atmosphere.


Snagging orchestra seats for this solar symphony would be fruitless,
however, as the frequency of the sound waves is below the human hearing
threshold. While humans can make out sounds between 20 and 20,000 hertz, the
solar sound waves are on the order of milli-hertz-a thousandth of a hertz.


The study, presented this week at the Royal Astronomical Society's National
Astronomy Meeting in Lancashire, England, reveals that the looping magnetic
fields along the Sun's outer regions, called the corona, carry magnetic
sound waves in a similar manner to musical instruments such as guitars or
pipe organs. "

 http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/070418_solar_music.html

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"Sun's Atmosphere Sings
    By Jeanna Bryner
    Staff Writer
    posted: 18 April 2007
    07:58 pm ET
    Astronomers have recorded heavenly music bellowed out by the Sun's atmosphere.


    Snagging
orchestra seats for this solar symphony would be fruitless, however, as
the frequency of the sound waves is below the human hearing threshold.
While humans can make out sounds between 20 and 20,000 hertz, the solar
sound waves are on the order of milli-hertz-a thousandth of a hertz.


    The
study, presented this week at the Royal Astronomical Society's National
Astronomy Meeting in Lancashire, England, reveals that the looping
magnetic fields along the Sun's outer regions, called the corona, carry
magnetic sound waves in a similar manner to musical instruments such as
guitars or pipe organs. "

     http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/070418_solar_music.html


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Ooops I shoulda changed the subject line on that last one . . .

Here it is again:

Hi all,

Just thought I'd pipe in here and say how much I like David Torn's new CD "=
Prezens."

It arrived yesterday and I've been playing it in iTunes at work (much to my=
 co-worker's dismay).

It's pretty darn terrific . . . grab it if you can.

And, David, wherever you are, great work!

Your music just keeps getting better, weirder, and more creative with every=
 release.

--

tEd =C2=AE kiLLiAn

"Different is not always better, but better is always different"

Flux Aeterna: http://phobos.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewAlbum?p=
layListId=3D6378076=20

http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html
http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian
http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html
http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina
http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073
http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314
http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193
http://www.loopers-delight.com/cgi-bin/profiles.cgi?step=3Dview_profile&id=
=3D121197000042

Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes,
BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster,
AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream,
RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks,
and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So???

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http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2007/070419.html

Galactic Travels is an electronic, ambient, and space music show, that
airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem,
PA, 93.9 FM in Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ, 93.7 FM in Fogelsville
and Trexlertown, and webcasting on the internet.  WDIY also broadcasts
in Digital HD at 88.1 FM.

                Show #525                April 19, 2007

RECAP:
On this show, I continued the month-long focus on Jean-Pierre Saccomani.
The Featured CD at Midnight was "Equilibre thermique de l'igloo en phase
de fonte" by Jean-Pierre Saccomani and Jean-Luc Berthelot on MCP
Records.

The Vinyl Starter was from the LP "Defense De" by Birge, Gorge, and
Shiroc on Sun Records and released in 1975.

I played the music of Giles Reaves, Dave Fulton, and the Fulton/Reaves
Project as a preview of their show this Saturday at the Gatherings.  See
the events page for details.

Jean-Pierre Saccomani:
http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2007/focus.html#apr
Fulton/Reaves Project and Orbital Decay at the Gathering:

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  I agree it would be wonderful to hear some people for longer.I think it's 
worth treating a festival differently than a concert. It's more like being 
at a party and dancing with several different partners,any of who one might 
go to bed wit at some other time. There are large advantages for 
performers.Esp the focus it takes to get on ,set up,whip it out, engage the 
listeners,move/impress/challenge/confuse/seduce them,or whatever you're 
trying to do,then get off and stow gear. It's great practice for being good 
at performance,being in command of the whole package. Festivals are where 
perfromers can really get their professional  performance chops together.The 
collegial atmosphere of seeing many performers adds a sort of creative 
ferment that's amazing.Also encourages folks to really express what they 
really have in them,when they know so much of the audience is other palyers. 
If you have your mouth all set for a bowl of Cheeios and milk ,smoked salmon 
can taste kind of weird. A Fest isn't  a Concert.

_________________________________________________________________
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yes,  i got my copy of dt's 'prezens' today, and have been listening to it and 
  its some good stuff....
   
  want to send some thanks for daryl shawns comment that my
  myspace stuff sounds like a "HARMONIC SICKO"....
  i will definately have  to use that for my next project of recordings that i want to trade...
  most funny.....
   
  also been listening to:
  k. hartung's "fragments"-some great stuff on there...moments of pretty stuff and then
  weird juxtaposition of sounds/noises...amazing that it is all from live recordings....
  & also recommended:
  douglas baldwin's "coyote loops"
  pedro felix' 3 discs i got from him back in '01 (he was the first i traded w/....)
  s---
  www.myspace.com/scotthansen

       
---------------------------------
Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell?
 Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos.
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    yes,  i got my copy of dt's 'prezens' today, and have been listening to it and 
      
    its some good stuff....
      
     
      
    want to send some thanks for daryl shawns comment that my
      
    myspace stuff sounds like a "HARMONIC SICKO"....
      
    i will definately have  to use that for my next project of recordings that i want to trade...
      
    most funny.....
      
     
      
    also been listening to:
      
    k. hartung's "fragments"-some great stuff on there...moments of pretty stuff and then
      
    weird juxtaposition of sounds/noises...amazing that it is all from live recordings....
      
    & also recommended:
      
    douglas baldwin's "coyote loops"
      
    pedro felix' 3 discs i got from him back in '01 (he was the first i traded w/....)
      
    s---
      
     



      
    Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell?
     Check out
new cars at Yahoo! Autos.

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scott hansen wrote:

> pedro felix' 3 discs i got from him back in '01 (he was the first i 
> traded w/....)
> s---


And where is he today? I know him from NY Open Loop, he kinda 
dissapeared of the face of the planet.

pedro felix contact the mothership...

-- 
* David Beardsley
* microtonal guitar
* http://biink.com/db


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 Daryl Shawn
> Claude, I'm very much enjoying the music on your site. Great playing, I'd 
> love to have a cd!

waiting for them from the factory.... should have been today ..

>
> I have to admit, the logo threw me off for a minute, as it shows a 
> five-string guitar!

its a symbol not real :-)

> Just one real problem I noticed, on the "music" page of the English 
> version, if you click on "the making of on a wooden path" it takes you to 
> a French-language page. Also, I know what you mean by "around me", but 
> "about me" is the proper way to say it.

fixed

>
> I found the "missing fret" page very interesting, for five years I played 
> a DADGCF tuning, all fourths except the fifth in the bass, and I 
> encountered the challenge of shifting familiar shapes. In truth, I never 
> got that good at it, and when I switched back it was a relief!

I never tried, I love the regular open chords too much.
the missing fret is an atempt to unify the families of voicings relating to 
the families of shapes
there are some open tunings and altered tunings in the record though
I say altered because I like to change only some strings to "easyfy" up some 
keys without changin it all
ex: EADGBbD  gives a great key to play in F Cm Gm Eb Bb etc....

I send this reply back to LD as it may interest some others
hope you dont mind

thanks

Claude


> best,
>
> Daryl Shawn
> www.swanwelder.com
> www.chinapaintingmusic.com
>
>> Yes I'm happy to announce that my home  made web site (v 1.0) is online 
>> and ready for the world ....
>> www.claudevoit.ch
>> comments, bugs, wishes, etc... welcome
>>
>> Hava nice day
>>
>> Claude
>>
>>
>> www.myspace.com/claudevoit/
>>
>>
>
> 

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However, it would be interesting IMO to get some of that data and bring it
up within reach of human hearing.  
 
Fiorella Terenzi, who earned a Ph.D. in physics in Italy, has combined work
in science and music, including on ongoing career as a performance artist.
Her first CD, Music from the Galaxies, uses optical and radio data from
galaxy UGC 6697 as the basis for some of the music.    I have a couple of
her CDs from years ago, I'll have to find them and listen again.   She's a
wild woman!  check out her photos at the bottom of this page.
 
 
http://www.fiorella.com/fiorproducts.htm  
 

-Qua
  _____  

From: Tony K [mailto:bigtonyk@gmail.com] 
Sent: Friday, April 20, 2007 11:01 AM
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Subject: Slightly OT: Sun Loop Music


"Sun's Atmosphere Sings
By Jeanna Bryner
Staff Writer
posted: 18 April 2007
07:58 pm ET
Astronomers have recorded heavenly music bellowed out by the Sun's
atmosphere.


Snagging orchestra seats for this solar symphony would be fruitless,
however, as the frequency of the sound waves is below the human hearing
threshold. While humans can make out sounds between 20 and 20,000 hertz, the
solar sound waves are on the order of milli-hertz-a thousandth of a hertz.


The study, presented this week at the Royal Astronomical Society's National
Astronomy Meeting in Lancashire, England, reveals that the looping magnetic
fields along the Sun's outer regions, called the corona, carry magnetic
sound waves in a similar manner to musical instruments such as guitars or
pipe organs. "

 http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/070418_solar_music.html
 

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    -Qua
    

    

    
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THE AM/FM SHOW ON WMUH:                      http://soundscapes.us/amfm
=======================================================================
My next stint on the AM/FM Show will be Saturday, April 21 at 6:00 am.
I will continue the special on E-dition Electronic Music Magazine's
sampler CDs.  I will play the music of bands playing that night at the
New Jersy Proghouse and at The Gatherings.

Tune in to WMUH Allentown at 91.7 FM, broadcasting from the campus of
Muhlenberg College.  I alternate hosting the show with Bruce.  When I
am at the helm, the show features electronic, ambient, and spacemusic
at the beginning, an eclectic mix of genres in the middle, and winds
up with Progressive Rock.  WMUH's web site is
http://muhlenberg.edu/wmuh

All times are EDT / GMT-4 because the US is on Daylight Savings Time.

Listen on-line to WMUH at http://.muhlenberg.edu/wmuh and click the
REAL AUDIO link or go directly to:
rtsp://helix.muhlenberg.edu:554/broadcast/live.rm

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...so I'm just spamming the list with this great band I'm listening  
to right now while doing extremely boring office work summing up one  
years income and expenses (a year-ful of verifications thrown into a  
box are now to be summed up.... arrrhg!) and sent in to the tax  
authorities for them to calculate my taxes. And on the side it's nice  
to read on this list about interesting things happening to one and  
another (cool, to have a look into Rainer's Secret Head Quarter,  
Claude's music coming out great, rumors on new great music from Torn  
etc etc). Oh yes, the band... Hatfield And The North. Once labeled  
"Progressive Rock" in the seventies and it's just so fun to listen to  
this music today ;-))  Not much have topped what those guys did IMHO.  
When I listen I get an understanding for why some beginning musicians  
of today want to play in that style. You may think that's "retro" but  
when listening to the original stuff it stands out as simply brilliant!

Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
www.boysen.se (Swedish)
www.looproom.com (international)
http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast)
http://tinyurl.com/2kek7h (CC donationware music releases)


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From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" 
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Hey Qua,

thanks for your nice words. 
I think there are a few interesting things here:
First, this allows the performer to play at an event which happens at a live
venue (which, in this case, was only a few kilometres away from me, but in
the case of the 060430 gig with Krispen and Rick, they were some 6000 miles
away from the venue - see below) without leaving his home - without having
to break down and set up and break down and set up again, being able to fix
himself a drink, talk to the video audience and explain what he is doing,
taking a phone call or even have dinner, without the audience at the venue
being aware of these "etracurricular activities".

And today's technologies (in that case, a cheap webcam and a service like
google video) allows us to make something like that visually available to
the viewing public - like you.

As a matter of fact, we have been doing such internet realtime collaboration
thingies for some time, look at
http://www.loopers-delight.com/cgi-bin/wilma_glimpse/LDarchive?query=kybermu
sik&Search=Search&errors=0&maxfiles=50&maxlines=10&.cgifields=lineonly&.cgif
ields=restricttofiles&.cgifields=filelist&.cgifields=partial&.cgifields=case

and
http://www.loopers-delight.com/cgi-bin/wilma_glimpse/LDarchive?query=kyberja
m&Search=Search&errors=0&maxfiles=50&maxlines=10&.cgifields=lineonly&.cgifie
lds=restricttofiles&.cgifields=filelist&.cgifields=partial&.cgifields=case

the biggest one at the y2k6loopfest http://www.y2k6loopfest.com/ninjam.html

and independently, www.t-u-b-e.de have started something like that
independently some time after we did.

And yes, I also believe (and hope) that these activities will increase in
the future.

Feel free to contact me via email if there are any questions left!

	Rainer


> I am a market researcher and I currently am studying the 
> trends in use of IT
> technologies.   This kind of collaborative experience that 
> Ranier is showing
> us is exactly where we can expect tremendous growth in coming 
> years.   The
> next wave , or leap, for the user experience will come as 
> critical mass builds in areas of technology , community, and 
> processes and standards for connecting it all together.
> 
> Thanks, Ranier for letting us view the building of this next wave !
> -Qua 

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Just for shits and giggles,  
I made a piece of music where I only used 
loops of cash registers that I sampled all over the Bay Area, 
all sampled with a Casio watch that had a little 30 second 
lo fi sampler on it.      I used my computer and a microphone 
to then rerecord the samples off of the exceedingly lo fi speaker 
that was on the watch.

Every sound in the piece was made with a store cash register using 
that watch as a recorder and I assembled it in Acid Pro.

It's just a goof but I hope you enjoy it.

www.looppool.info/PhatCashRegister

yours,

Rick
aka |()()p.p()()|

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Digital IN as well as the digital out?


Man.


-Tom


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http://soundscapes.us/amfm/playlists/2007/070421.html

I host the Saturday AM/FM Show every other week where I play electronic,
ambient, spacemusic, Progressive Rock, and an eclectic mix of other
genres.  The show airs from 6:00 am to 8:00 am on WMUH Allentown, 91.7
FM and on the internet.  
I also host Afterglow every 
Thursday from 8:00
am to 9:30 am.

                Show #107                April 21, 2006.

During Phase I of this show, I continued the special on the sampler CDs
that come with each issue of E-dition electronic music magazine.  I also
played the music of Dave Fulton and Giles Reaves who will be in concert
tonight at the Gatherings Concert Series.  In Phase 3, I played the
music of some of the bands that will be at ROSfest next week and of
Frogg Cafe and 3rdegree who will be playing tonight at the New Jersey
Proghouse.


Phase I/Space:

ARTIST               TRACK                ALBUM (label)
==================== ==================== ==============================
VA [Sven Hansen]     Making of Orbis      E-dition #13 (Groove)
                       Terra
VA [Sven Hansen]     Making of Caraibe 1  E-dition #13 (Groove)
VA [Sven Hansen]     Making of Caraibe    E-dition #13 (Groove)
Fulton/Reaves        Fascination          The Range (Hypnos/Binary)
Fulton/Reaves        Blinded by Time      The Range (Hypnos/Binary)
Fulton/Reaves        Troubled Skies       The Range (Hypnos/Binary)
Orbital Decay        Set #1               Live at Soundscapes (none)
Giles Reaves         Wunjo                Wunjo (MCA)
M. Griffin           Levitation Before    Imprint (Hypnos)
  D. Fulton            Sunrise


Phase II/Eclectic:

Preempted for an expansed Phase I.


Phase III/Progressive Rock:

ARTIST               TRACK                ALBUM (label)
==================== ==================== ==============================
Frogg Cafe           All This Time        Creatures (none)
Frogg Cafe           Creatures            Creatures (none)
3rdegree             Human Interest Story CDR (none)
Retroheads           Rainy Day            Introspective (Unicorn)
Carptree             Mashed Potato        Insekt (Fosfor Creation)
                       Mountain Man
Star Castle          All for the Thunder  Song of Times (Progrock)

 * = excerpt
++ = Advanced CDR from artist
VA = Various Artists (compilation)

I return to the AM/FM Show on May 12.

On the next show, I will continue the special on the sampler CDs that
come with each issue of E-dition electronic music magazine.

Bill
======================================================================
Host of the AM/FM Show every other Saturday at 6:00 am EST (GMT-5:00).
Phase 1: Electronic, ambient, and space music to bring you back from
"Beyond the Barriers."
Phase 2: Mixed bag of acoustic, electric, pop, or New Age.
Phase 3: Progressive rock from past masters to contemporary releases.
Web Site - http://soundscapes.us/amfm
Listen to WMUH Allentown locally at 91.7 FM or on-line at
http://www.muhlenberg.edu/wmuh and click the
REAL AUDIO link or go directly to
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Playlists are also published at http://billfox.blogspot.com
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======================================================================
The progdj list is the central clearing house for radio playlists of
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post playlists or track airplay?  The progdj list solves that problem.

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Giggling my ass off here (by that I do NOT mean shitting, though, sorry, 
just giggling)...this is brilliant! I would never have suspected these 
are cash registers, it sounds more like electronic frogs croaking out a 
great groove. nice work!

all about the benjamins,

Daryl Shawn
www.swanwelder.com
www.chinapaintingmusic.com

> www.looppool.info/PhatCashRegister

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Dear Bill,

I think I remember a posting of yours on LD (?) a few years back where you
explained how to present material to you as a candidate for broadcast on
your show.

Could you please direct me to this "howto" once again, please?

Thanks,

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Sorry to everyone - that was a mis-reply to a post by Bill which got
directed to LD...
 
(shameonme...)

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I am really fascinated by music from 'found sounds'. A great inspiration!
-Qua

-----Original Message-----
From: RICK WALKER [mailto:looppool@cruzio.com] 
Sent: Saturday, April 21, 2007 6:04 AM
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Subject: PHAT CASH REGISTER LOOPS

Just for shits and giggles,
I made a piece of music where I only used loops of cash registers that I
sampled all over the Bay Area, all sampled with a Casio watch that had a
little 30 second 
lo fi sampler on it.      I used my computer and a microphone 
to then rerecord the samples off of the exceedingly lo fi speaker that was
on the watch.

Every sound in the piece was made with a store cash register using that
watch as a recorder and I assembled it in Acid Pro.

It's just a goof but I hope you enjoy it.

www.looppool.info/PhatCashRegister

yours,

Rick
aka |()()p.p()()|


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From: RICK WALKER [mailto:looppool@cruzio.com]

> www.looppool.info/PhatCashRegister


Hi Rick,

Fascinating track! Why not also making a cut down "radio mix" version  
and cash in ;-))

Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
www.boysen.se (Swedish)
www.looproom.com (international)
http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast)
http://tinyurl.com/2kek7h (CC donationware music releases)


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I picked it up on Tuesday the minute it arrived at the store. Awesome disc, 
I've probably listened to ot 20 times since. Very dense material, each tune 
seems to flow through many states, yet it all hangs together. Great band as 
well, I've been a fan of Tim Berne for about 20 years now. Taborn and Rainey 
form the core of several of Berne's bands. It's cool to see Torn in a more 
band setting with this CD, it seems like most of his output has come more 
from Torn solo in the studio, with the exception of Polytown and Cloud About 
Mercury. I'd argue that this band eclipses both of those for serious 
avant-jazz chops.

It's also cool to see Torn on ECM again, maybe this disc will have a chance 
of staying in print, unlike, unfortunately, the majority of Torn's back 
catalog.

Anyway, it's an amazing, mind-rearranging album, I can't begin to recommend 
it highly enough.
----- Original Message ----- 
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Ooops I shoulda changed the subject line on that last one . . .

Here it is again:

Hi all,

Just thought I'd pipe in here and say how much I like David Torn's new CD 
"Prezens."

It arrived yesterday and I've been playing it in iTunes at work (much to my 
co-worker's dismay).

It's pretty darn terrific . . . grab it if you can.

And, David, wherever you are, great work!

Your music just keeps getting better, weirder, and more creative with every 
release.

--

tEd ® kiLLiAn

"Different is not always better, but better is always different"

Flux Aeterna: 
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Quoting RICK WALKER :

> ...I hope you enjoy it.
>
> www.looppool.info/PhatCashRegister

Yes, indeed.  The sound source is imaginative and the looped result is  
fun and interesting.  Enjoyed this a lot.

-- Kevin

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>>Oh yes, the band... Hatfield And The North.<<

good shout, per. the name comes from a motorway sign seen when leaving =
london towards the north. the humour lies in that hatfield is some =
twenty miles outside of london, & so the interpretation is likely to be =
that the rest of "the north" is relatively simple to deal with &/or =
insignificant. band names of the form "somebody & the somethings" were =
quite common then too.

that whole "canterbury" scene actually overlaps with soft machine & by =
some convoluted personnel exchanges, the whole gong/hillage axis too.=20

& of course, the softs were themselves influenced by AAM & keith rowe in =
particular, as were (the) pink floyd. of course, there are links with =
caravan & camel too. & henry cow.

the association of prog-rock with high-intellect &/or capitalism is =
unfortunate.

both gong & the hatfields lost their original drummers last year; pip =
pyle's relatives decided to decorate his going-home-suit (coffin) with =
stickers, in the manner of a flight-case. I was able to furnish them =
with an old hatfields logo from a flight-case I bought a while back, =
that had once been the property of a touring sound engineer, who kept a =
revox in it. & at the gong unconvention in amsterdam, pierre moerlen's =
memory was honoured with the auctioning of a specially commissioned =
painting.

d.

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    >>Oh yes, the band... Hatfield And The =
North.<<
    

    
good shout, per. the name comes from a motorway sign seen when leaving =
london towards the north. the humour lies in that hatfield is some =
twenty miles outside of london, & so the interpretation is likely to =
be that the rest of "the north" is relatively simple to deal =
with &/or insignificant. band names of the form "somebody & =
the somethings" were quite common then too.
    

    
that whole "canterbury" scene actually overlaps with soft =
machine & by some convoluted personnel exchanges, the whole =
gong/hillage axis too.
    

    
& of course, the softs were themselves influenced by AAM & keith =
rowe in particular, as were (the) pink floyd. of course, there are links =
with caravan & camel too. & henry cow.
    

    
the association of prog-rock with high-intellect &/or capitalism is =
unfortunate.
    

    
both gong & the hatfields lost their original drummers last year; =
pip pyle's relatives decided to decorate his going-home-suit (coffin) =
with stickers, in the manner of a flight-case. I was able to furnish =
them with an old hatfields logo from a flight-case I bought a while =
back, that had once been the property of a touring sound engineer, who =
kept a revox in it. & at the gong unconvention in amsterdam, pierre =
moerlen's memory was honoured with the auctioning of a specially =
commissioned painting.
    

    
d.    

    



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very cool mr walker.

On Apr 21, 2007, at 6:04, RICK WALKER wrote:

> Just for shits and giggles,  I made a piece of music where I only used 
> loops of cash registers that I sampled all over the Bay Area, all 
> sampled with a Casio watch that had a little 30 second lo fi sampler 
> on it.      I used my computer and a microphone to then rerecord the 
> samples off of the exceedingly lo fi speaker that was on the watch.
>
> Every sound in the piece was made with a store cash register using 
> that watch as a recorder and I assembled it in Acid Pro.
>
> It's just a goof but I hope you enjoy it.
>
> www.looppool.info/PhatCashRegister
>
> yours,
>
> Rick
> aka |()()p.p()()|
>

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I thought the ECM stuff all stayed in print, it was the later stuff
(originally on CMT?) that went out of print for a while.



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> It's also cool to see Torn on ECM again, maybe this disc will have a chance
> of staying in print, unlike, unfortunately, the majority of Torn's back
> catalog.
>

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On 21 apr 2007, at 20.47, Goddard, Duncan wrote:

> >>Oh yes, the band... Hatfield And The North.<<
>
> good shout, per. the name comes from a motorway sign seen when  
> leaving london towards the north. the humour lies in that hatfield  
> is some twenty miles outside of london, & so the interpretation is  
> likely to be that the rest of "the north" is relatively simple to  
> deal with &/or insignificant.


Thank you for the excellent briefing! A post packed with interesting  
historical details :-)

BTW, there was another cool band around at that time, named  
Gilgamesh. Were they British as well? Just like the Hatfields the too  
had cool Fender Rhodes and Minimoog playing but Gilgamesh guitarist  
was more jazz oriented, somewhere in between Lee Riteneur and John  
Abercrombie, of that same era. A bit more fusion like prog rock, I  
would say.

per

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That's what I meant. The CMP albums are long out of print, and, the last 
time I checked, so was Splattercell. At least ECM keeps most (not all) of 
it's catalog available. Cloud About Mercury is still in print, but Best Laid 
Plans, and the first Everyman Band album, both excellent, have never been 
issued on CD, as far as I know. So at least Prezens has a chance, given 
ECM's stature and distribution. Of course, if a few hundred thousand David 
Torn fans were to rush out and buy the album today, it would probably help. 
Tell your friends...
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>I thought the ECM stuff all stayed in print, it was the later stuff
> (originally on CMT?) that went out of print for a while.
>
>
>
> On 4/21/07, Dave Trenkel  wrote:
>
>>
>> It's also cool to see Torn on ECM again, maybe this disc will have a 
>> chance
>> of staying in print, unlike, unfortunately, the majority of Torn's back
>> catalog.
>>
>
> 


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> Hatfield And The North. Once labeled "Progressive Rock" in the seventies
and it's just so fun to listen to this music today ;-))  Not much have
topped what those guys did IMHO.

Hatfield were one of the greatest bands ever. And big fun. I listened to
them so often in the seventies that all their intricate melodies in odd
meters were etched into my brain, you could wake me up in the middle of the
night and I would know all the lines. I guess you have seen that two new
albums with unreleased stuff are now available on burningshed.com ...

-Michael www.michaelpeters.de

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Hi !

Is it someplace to download the music - couldnt find
it on itunes.

Rune F.

--- Dave Trenkel  skrev:

> That's what I meant. The CMP albums are long out of
> print, and, the last 
> time I checked, so was Splattercell. At least ECM
> keeps most (not all) of 
> it's catalog available. Cloud About Mercury is still
> in print, but Best Laid 
> Plans, and the first Everyman Band album, both
> excellent, have never been 
> issued on CD, as far as I know. So at least Prezens
> has a chance, given 
> ECM's stature and distribution. Of course, if a few
> hundred thousand David 
> Torn fans were to rush out and buy the album today,
> it would probably help. 
> Tell your friends...
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Travis Hartnett" 
> To: 
> Sent: Saturday, April 21, 2007 12:09 PM
> Subject: Re: DAVID TORN'S NEW CD "PREZENS"
> 
> 
> >I thought the ECM stuff all stayed in print, it was
> the later stuff
> > (originally on CMT?) that went out of print for a
> while.
> >
> >
> >
> > On 4/21/07, Dave Trenkel  wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> It's also cool to see Torn on ECM again, maybe
> this disc will have a 
> >> chance
> >> of staying in print, unlike, unfortunately, the
> majority of Torn's back
> >> catalog.
> >>
> >
> > 
> 
> 
> 


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> It's just a goof but I hope you enjoy it.

you recorded this with a watch? incredible :-)  a way cool track !!

-michael

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I bought Best Laid Plans on CD maybe ten years, and it's still
available from Amazon, but no, I don't think the first Everyman Band
album was every put out on CD.



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Qua wrote:
>I am really fascinated by music from 'found sounds'. A great inspiration!
> -Qua

Thanks a lot,  Qua.  That means a lot to me (you too, Daryl and Per)

You might also like my CD.
It is called Translucent Dayglo Lime Green Plastic.

It features 22 pieces of music using a completely different set of 
instruments on every piece
(mostly but not entirely found sound instruments) culled from 50 solo live 
looping CDs
here and on tour in Europe and the British Isles.

There are excerpts here:

http://www.looppool.info/livecd.html

Thanks everyone for the kind comments.   And in answer to one of the 
technical questions
about the recording process:

I recorded onto the watch   (A/D)   played it back on the watch's teeny, 
trebly speaker
into an ATM 4050  microphone into my computer   (A/A/D),
mixed it in ACID pro 5.0   and created an MP3   (D out)  for y'all.

Rick

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great music!
great watch!
all the best, tilmann
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> Just for shits and giggles,  
> I made a piece of music where I only used 
> loops of cash registers that I sampled all over the Bay Area, 
> all sampled with a Casio watch that had a little 30 second 
> lo fi sampler on it.      I used my computer and a microphone 
> to then rerecord the samples off of the exceedingly lo fi speaker 
> that was on the watch.
> 
> Every sound in the piece was made with a store cash register using 
> that watch as a recorder and I assembled it in Acid Pro.
> 
> It's just a goof but I hope you enjoy it.
> 
> www.looppool.info/PhatCashRegister
> 
> yours,
> 
> Rick
> aka |()()p.p()()|
>

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howdy,

 Sorry, not this Bill.
rig


--- Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill
 wrote:

> Dear Bill,
> 
> I think I remember a posting of yours on LD (?) a
> few years back where you
> explained how to present material to you as a
> candidate for broadcast on
> your show.
> 
> Could you please direct me to this "howto" once
> again, please?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> 	Rainer
> ---
> moinlabs.de
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> video.google.de/videosearch?q=moinlabs
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> 


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Can someone explain how David achieves the 'stutter' effect on sustained
notes that are event in the track "Bulbs" at about 2'11" ?    

I won't begin to imagine how he does most of his doppler and other wacky
tricks so seamlessly in these recordings  - jeez !

-Qua



-----Original Message-----
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I picked it up on Tuesday the minute it arrived at the store. Awesome disc,
I've probably listened to ot 20 times since. Very dense material, each tune
seems to flow through many states, yet it all hangs together. Great band as
well, I've been a fan of Tim Berne for about 20 years now. Taborn and Rainey
form the core of several of Berne's bands. It's cool to see Torn in a more
band setting with this CD, it seems like most of his output has come more
from Torn solo in the studio, with the exception of Polytown and Cloud About
Mercury. I'd argue that this band eclipses both of those for serious
avant-jazz chops.

It's also cool to see Torn on ECM again, maybe this disc will have a chance
of staying in print, unlike, unfortunately, the majority of Torn's back
catalog.

Anyway, it's an amazing, mind-rearranging album, I can't begin to recommend
it highly enough.
----- Original Message -----
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Ooops I shoulda changed the subject line on that last one . . .

Here it is again:

Hi all,

Just thought I'd pipe in here and say how much I like David Torn's new CD
"Prezens."

It arrived yesterday and I've been playing it in iTunes at work (much to my
co-worker's dismay).

It's pretty darn terrific . . . grab it if you can.

And, David, wherever you are, great work!

Your music just keeps getting better, weirder, and more creative with every
release.

--

tEd R kiLLiAn

"Different is not always better, but better is always different"

Flux Aeterna: 
http://phobos.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewAlbum?playListId=63780
76

http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html
http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian
http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html
http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina
http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=2845073
http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=CBNM_17314
http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=193
http://www.loopers-delight.com/cgi-bin/profiles.cgi?step=view_profile&id=121
197000042

Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, BuyMusic,
Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, AudioLunchbox, Lindows,
QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect,
CatchMusic, Puretracks, and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah.
So???




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> BTW, there was another cool band around at that time, named Gilgamesh. 
> Were they British as well? Just like the Hatfields the too had cool 
> Fender Rhodes and Minimoog playing but Gilgamesh guitarist was more jazz 
> oriented, somewhere in between Lee Riteneur and John Abercrombie, of 
> that same era. A bit more fusion like prog rock, I would say.
> 
> per
 
Alan Gowen - keys (National Health 2nd kegboardist, now deceased)
Phil Lee - Guitar 
Trevor Tomkins - Drums 
Hugh Hopper - Bass (Soft Machine)

Lee and Tomkins are still about on the British Jazz scene

There's a Hugh Hopper looping piece somewhere in the "Burning Shed" vaults,
just HH with his bass plugged into an EDP operated by a certain andy butler,
don't know if will ever surface.



andy butler 

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I hate to ever make commercial plugs, but this one is just too good to pass 
up
if you are processing your loops realtime or in the studio with plugins.

Computer Music magazine from the UK just put out a special issue (Volume 22)
that comes with 200 free plugins for WIN XP and Mac OSX.

Along with the issue which just set me back $18 at Bookshop Santa Cruz (who 
you might be
able to order it from) also has 46 tutorials on the included plugins.

Everything you need to make a world class recording is included in this 
stunning collection, from
DAWs to sequencers to sound editors to drum machines to VST instruments and 
VST effects.

I"m like a kid in a candy shop tonight.    There are a lot of fairly normal 
effects but there are also
some really unusual and very creative ones too.

check it out...........probably the best $18 I've ever spent.   I just don't 
know how they do it. 

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April or May ish?  Thanks!

----- Original Message ----- 
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>I hate to ever make commercial plugs, but this one is just too good to pass 
>up
> if you are processing your loops realtime or in the studio with plugins.
>
> Computer Music magazine from the UK just put out a special issue (Volume 
> 22)
> that comes with 200 free plugins for WIN XP and Mac OSX.
>
> Along with the issue which just set me back $18 at Bookshop Santa Cruz 
> (who you might be
> able to order it from) also has 46 tutorials on the included plugins.
>
> Everything you need to make a world class recording is included in this 
> stunning collection, from
> DAWs to sequencers to sound editors to drum machines to VST instruments 
> and VST effects.
>
> I"m like a kid in a candy shop tonight.    There are a lot of fairly 
> normal effects but there are also
> some really unusual and very creative ones too.
>
> check it out...........probably the best $18 I've ever spent.   I just 
> don't know how they do it.
>
>
>
> 

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Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill wrote:
> Dear Bill,
> I think I remember a posting of yours on LD (?) a few years back where you
> explained how to present material to you as a candidate for broadcast on
> your show.
> Could you please direct me to this "howto" once again, please?
Hi Rainer,

Here's the form letter that I send out to people who wish to submit 
music for consideration.  The tips link is contained in the text below.  
My shows depend on fresh music and, as many already know, being signed 
to a label is NOT required for getting airplay on my shows.

Cheers,

Bill
=========
All submissions are welcomed and will be seriously considered for 
inclusion on future shows.   Nothing can be returned. Due to the large 
volume of materials received, confirmation of receipt of materials and 
confirmation of airplay cannot be made.   I also cannot provide comments 
or an analysis of your music.  Unfortunately, there isn't enough time in 
the day for me to listen to everybody's mp3 files.  I already have 
stacks of CDs waiting to be heard.  You'll have to decide for yourself 
if your music fits the format of any of my shows.  These are the cruel 
realities I've had to face.

To learn if your submission has been aired, you should periodically 
check the Playlists or request to have them emailed to you if you don't 
already see them on one of the mailing lists where I post such things.  
I also post all my playlists in a blog.  Please visit 
.

Remember, BEFORE YOU SEND ANYTHING, please examine my playlists to see 
what I tend to play.   I don't want you to waste your precious 
resources, so please don't send something that I don't play (thrash, 
rap, or dance music, for example).   ALWAYS match what you send to a 
show's format or ethos.

Send your package to WDIY and/or WMUH and/or me.  Please be sure to tell 
me which address you use.  Anything sent to a station will go into that 
station's library for use only at that station.  You must tell me if you 
send to a station so I know where to look for your package.  Anything 
sent to me will go into my personal library for use only on my 
appropriate shows at either station.  Your best bet to get on one of my 
shows the fastest is to send your CDs directly to me.  They get into my 
hands *MUCH* faster and it gives me plenty of time to preview your 
music.  If your music is appropriate to other shows, then you might wish 
to send to the stations.

I can NOT download your music or burn CDRs for you and I can NOT use 
compressed files.  You must supply a full fidelity (uncompressed) audio 
CD or CDR.  Other formats, such as Vinyl, cassette, and DAT are 
acceptable but they are less friendly than CDs.

===
Bill Fox
P.O. Box 632
Nazareth, Pennsylvania 18064-0632
USA
===
WDIY FM
301 Broadway
Bethlehem PA 18015
===
WMUH
Box 2806
Muhlenberg College
Allentown, PA 18104
===

Please be aware that CD and CD-R in regular sized jewel cases are 
considered to be the most radio-friendly formats at this time.   CD 
players are much easier to use than any other format.   Anything that 
doesn't fit into my CD travel case, which holds standard sized jewel 
cases, is difficult to bring to the station.   Jewel cases also provide 
a spine that is large enough to see the CD artist and title when I'm 
trying to find something stored with hundreds of other CDs.   Any other 
packaging style is likely to receive less airplay than something in a 
jewel case.   The most important items to include on the artwork include:

A numbered track listing that shows the running time of each track.
A clear indication of the release's artist.
A clear indication of the release's title.
Contact information.
Want to maximize your CD's airplay?   A few more tips you might want to 
follow are at:
http://soundscapes.us/afterglow/tips.html

Long tracks are not easy to excerpt unless you subdivide them into more 
than one index number.  A CD that has one 50 minute track is not going 
to get as much airplay as multiple tracks that total 50 minutes.  The 
tracks can run together with continuous sound but now DJs have *easy* 
access to more than just the beginning of the piece.

All submissions are always greatly appreciated.   But please do yourself 
a favor and study the various sections of all my radio web sites first, 
then decide if your music really fits in with the show's format.

I play Progressive Rock on two shows, eclectic mix on two shows, and EM 
on two shows, spread across three shows on two radio stations in the 
Lehigh Valley.  Please be sure to specify in the package you send which 
show(s) where you want to target your music.  Your support is most 
appreciated.

Cheers,

Bill - http://soundscapes.us/bill
==========================================================================================================
Host of Afterglow every Thursday at 8:00 am EST (GMT-5) on WMUH 
Allentown 91.7 FM.
Phase 1: Mixed bag of acoustic, electric, pop, New Age, or whatever 
strikes my fancy.
Phase 2: Progressive rock from past masters to contemporary releases.
Web Site - http://soundscapes.us/afterglow
==========================================================================================================
Host of the AM/FM Show every other Saturday at 6:00 am EST (GMT-5) on 
WMUH Allentown 91.7 FM.
Phase 1: Electronic, ambient, and space music to bring you back from 
"Beyond the Barriers."
Phase 2: Mixed bag of acoustic, electric, pop, New Age, or whatever 
strikes my fancy.
Phase 3: Progressive rock from past masters to contemporary releases.
Web Site - http://soundscapes.us/amfm
==========================================================================================================
Host of Galactic Travels, an electronic, ambient,  and space music show, 
Thursdays at 11:04 pm EST (GMT-5)
on WDIY 88.1 FM in Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in Easton and 
Phillipsburg, and on 93.7 FM in
Trexlertown and Fogelsville.
Galactic Travels web site - http://wdiy.org/programs/gt
RSS News Feed: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/rss/enews.xml
Podcasts: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/rss/gt.xml
==========================================================================================================
Playlists are also published at http://billfox.blogspot.com
RSS (2.0) feed from http://billfox.blogspot.com/rss.xml
Atom (0.3) feed from http://billfox.blogspot.com/atom.xml
==========================================================================================================
Listen on-line to WDIY at http://wdiy.org and click LISTEN or go 
directly to:
http://rm1.refugemedia.com/ramgen/encoder/wdiy.rm
==========================================================================================================
Listen on-line to WMUH at http://www.muhlenberg.edu/wmuh and click the 
REAL AUDIO link or go directly to:
rtsp://helix.muhlenberg.edu:554/broadcast/live.rm
==========================================================================================================

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Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill wrote:
> Sorry to everyone - that was a mis-reply to a post by Bill which got
> directed to LD...
>  
> (shameonme...)
>
>
>   
Since you sent it to the list, I replied to the list.  I figure that 
inquiring minds will want to know...

Cheers,

Bill

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I'm not sure how long this thread has been going on but I thought I'd chime
in. I have played at, and helped facilitate a few  of these festivals with
Rick . Initially I hated the 30 minute time slots as I too did not feel it
gave adequate time to the performances, particularly the people who had
traveled the furthest. I've sense changed my tune about it as I have seen in
the case of the SC Loopfest that Rick has come to accommodate out of towners
by creating other performance events leading up to the main festival to
showcase those who have traveled so far. As far as the short slots go, I
have learned to take the 30 minutes as a challenge to get my thing across.
Yes, sure it would be nice to play more, because sometimes I don't feel like
I'm hitting my stride until my time is almost up, but that is what warming
up is all about :-)  I do feel however it would be nice to have short breaks
either between performances, or perhaps every three or four sets, not only
to give us gear nerds time to chat each other up, but to give the audience a
chance to stretch their legs and give their ears a rest. It has been my
experience that no breaks means many people opt to miss performances to
catch a breather. This is ok, but I find that some performers get left out
in the cold when people start leaving during their sets to take a break,
particularly if their set comes after a more established or popular artist.
I wish there was a way to minimize this phenomena, because it's pretty
frustrating, but it is also a small price to pay for allowing more
performers to participate. Last year I had a particularly crappy Loopfest,
because of personal calamities , and I had a set marred by the dreaded
technical difficulties (which made 30 minutes seem like 10 minutes), yet in
spite of that I am not ready to abandon the format. And believe me, as Rick
can attest, I fought him tooth and nail over time slots early on. I'd much
rather play longer, but not at the expense of denying someone else a chance
to play as well.

Bill


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    I‘m not sure how long this =
thread
has been going on but I thought I’d chime in. I have played at, =
and
helped facilitate a few  of these festivals with Rick . Initially I =
hated
the 30 minute time slots as I too did not feel it gave adequate time to =
the
performances, particularly the people who had traveled the furthest. =
I’ve
sense changed my tune about it as I have seen in the case of the SC =
Loopfest
that Rick has come to accommodate out of towners by creating other =
performance
events leading up to the main festival to showcase those who have =
traveled so
far. As far as the short slots go, I have learned to take the 30 minutes =
as a
challenge to get my thing across. Yes, sure it would be nice to play =
more,
because sometimes I don’t feel like I’m hitting my stride =
until my
time is almost up, but that is what warming up is all about =
J  I =
do feel
however it would be nice to have short breaks either between =
performances, or
perhaps every three or four sets, not only to give us gear nerds time to =
chat
each other up, but to give the audience a chance to stretch their legs =
and give
their ears a rest. It has been my experience that no breaks means many =
people
opt to miss performances to catch a breather. This is ok, but I find =
that some
performers get left out in the cold when people start leaving during =
their sets
to take a break, particularly if their set comes after a more =
established or
popular artist.  I wish there was a way to minimize this phenomena,
because it’s pretty frustrating, but it is also a small price to =
pay for
allowing more performers to participate. Last year I had a particularly =
crappy
Loopfest, because of personal calamities , and I had a set marred by the
dreaded technical difficulties (which made 30 minutes seem like 10 =
minutes),
yet in spite of that I am not ready to abandon the format. And believe =
me, as
Rick can attest, I fought him tooth and nail over time slots early on. =
I’d
much rather play longer, but not at the expense of denying someone else =
a
chance to play as well.
    


    Bill


    





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> Personally (this is just me with my specific musical interest), I =
always
> find it hard to find drones like that interesting (one of the few =
exceptions
> being Eno's Apollo). Mostly, I think of such material as a possible
> background for melodic atonal non-rhythmic improvisations by a lead
> instrument, except if there's lot of texture changes and dynamics =
happening
> (which isn't the case in your track, at least not for my taste on =
this).

...atonal....non-rhythmic...texture changes...just my cup of tea, =
Rainer! Like this?  http://box.net/public/khartung/files/2057802.html =20

It's a natural drone....the real didjeridu, starting at 3:47. This was a =
performance where I ran everything from the percussionist, including the =
didg, into my looping system. I haven't named this tune, but I think =
I'll call it "Tormentus Down-Underus". =20

NOTES: "Starts with looping the chimes, then reversing them; lots of =
other natural percussion devices in here from Vinnie; I come in with my =
signature guitar synth tone about 2:57, but the patch is too damn loud, =
which again forces me into an uncomfortable zone and impacts my playing =
in an unpredictable way; 3:47...didjeridu comes into the loop; =
7:06...the entire soundscape drops down to half speed...good grief, the =
didj sounds sinister this way! Sounds like some horrific monster lurking =
in the depths; 8:31...Vinnie starts talking, breathing, and groaning =
into the didjeridu like a tortured and haunted soul down under; 11:00 =
fade out...new movement...Vinnie inhaling and exhaling into the =
didjeridu, as if meditating...into a deep sleep....me descending down, =
down, down....12:52 comes the computer ambient noise, and Vinnie doing =
more weird vocal work into his didjeridu over the top of the prior =
looped section; Vinnie starts scratching the mic with his finger; I'm =
still descending, and then playing abstract melodies and runs....we fade =
out"

Cheers,

K-
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    From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar =
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    > Personally (this is just me with =
my specific=20
musical interest), I always
    > find it hard to find drones like =
that=20
interesting (one of the few exceptions
    > being Eno's Apollo). =
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atonal=20
non-rhythmic improvisations by a lead
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    ...atonal....non-rhythmic...texture =
changes...just=20
my cup of tea, Rainer! Like this?  http://box.net=
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didjeridu,=20
starting at 3:47. This was a performance where I ran everything from the =

percussionist, including the didg, into my looping system. I haven't =
named this=20
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then=20
reversing them; lots of other natural percussion devices in here from =
Vinnie; I=20
come in with my signature guitar synth tone about 2:57, but the patch is =
too=20
damn loud, which again forces me into an uncomfortable zone and impacts =
my=20
playing in an unpredictable way; 3:47...didjeridu comes into the loop;=20
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didj=20
sounds sinister this way! Sounds like some horrific monster lurking in =
the=20
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didjeridu=20
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down....12:52 comes=20
the computer ambient noise, and Vinnie doing more weird vocal work into =
his=20
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scratching the=20
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melodies=20
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    Cheers,
    

     
    

    K-
    

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If any of you hairy musos are short of inspiration, try this...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bGaaxlvP-BA

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I have both on CD.

I don't know if either is still in print.

If Amazon doesn't have it try Ebay.

Cheers!

Ted

On Apr 21, 2007, at 14:57, Travis Hartnett wrote:

> I bought Best Laid Plans on CD maybe ten years, and it's still
> available from Amazon, but no, I don't think the first Everyman Band
> album was every put out on CD.

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Subject: 04.24.07 . APRil PiNG > KINDER ATOM + SMASH and TEENY with ADDITV
Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2007 00:11:35 -0400
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. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

. THiS TUESDAY @ THE PiNG . CHiLLED ELECTRO-ACOUSTiC NiGHT
  Featuring KINDER ATOM + SMASH and TEENY's=20
  BEE SPACE with visuals by ADDITV
  LiVE iN THE UNDERGROUND @ the DRAKE HOTEL
  TUESDAY APRiL 24TH . 8PM - 11PM . PWYC (5$ suggested)
 =20
. COMiNG ON MAY 22ND TO THE PiNG . RADiO iN AMBiENCE -
  A special presentation for DEEP WIRELESS in collaboration with=20
  NEW ADVENTURES IN SOUND ART featuring GEEK WEEKEND with=20
  ROBERT HOARE (Berlin Germany) & STEVEN SAUV=C9 (Hamilton ON)=20
  + STEPHEN KELLY and ELEANOR KING (Halifax, NS)
  LiVE iN THE UNDERGROUND @ the DRAKE HOTEL
  TUESDAY MAY 22ND . 8PM - 11PM . PWYC (5$ suggested)

. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

04.24.07 . The PiNG Presents CHiLLED ELECTRO-ACOUSTiC NiGHT
Featuring KINDER ATOM + SMASH and TEENY with visuals by ADDITV
@ the UNDERGROUND downstairs @ the DRAKE HOTEL
1150 Queen St. W @ Beaconsfield . W of Ossington . E of Dufferin
TUESDAY APRiL 24TH . 8PM - 11PM . PWYC (5$ suggested)

. 8:30 . BEE SPACE . Smash and Teeny with visuals by Additv
Live electro-acoustic audio/visual improv derived from=20
bees and other insects.

Smash and Teeny are Nilan Perera (altered electric guitar and=20
effects) and Sarah Peebles (laptop, mixing bowls, speaker drivers,=20
and sho mouth-organ). They have performed and recorded as a=20
duo since 2001 in Europe, Canada, the U.S. and Japan, and have=20
performed with John Butcher, Evan Parker, David Toop, Jin Hi Kim,=20
K=F4 Ishikawa, and Darren Copeland, among others. Their double-CD=20
"Gathering" (Spool), has received critical praise from the likes of=20
The Wire, Exclaim! and New York's Downtown Music Gallery.

"The duo mix tidal undulations of tone with the ability to pick
out sharp flecks of texture in complex aural environments."=20
- The Wire

Additv (Rob King) is an artist, researcher and student in the
Communication and Culture masters program at Ryerson.=20
His works have focused on the social interactions between=20
people in an online environment, emergent systems,=20
and digital play.

Smash and Teeny: http://www.sarahpeebles.net/smash.htm
Additv: http://www.e-mu.org

. 9:30 . Kinder Atom, Toronto minimalist electro innovators, land=20
for their first performance at the PiNG as we continue our chilled=20
out SPRiNG FLiNG @ the PiNG.=20

Kinder Atom are the people behind Toronto's nice + smooth ultramedia=20
collective of artists, musicians, dj's and designers fusing their =
talents=20
into one hyper-creative and diverse production agency.=20

Check out Kinder Atom's 4th release of deep electro, jazzy house=20
and dubby chillout grooves which features a free DVD included=20
in the digipak with seven different music videos by various Toronto=20
directors. These visual interpretations of Kinder Atom=92s music=20
embrace nature inspired, layered abstract imagery and colours.=20

The warm organic flavours of Kinder Atom will tempt your senses=20
and soothe your soul as their deep electro, funky, dreamy and=20
gentle ambient sounds fill the PiNG @ the UNDERGROUND.=20
http://www.kinderatom.com

. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

05.22.07 . The PiNG Presents RADiO iN AMBiENCE -=20
A special presentation for DEEP WIRELESS in collaboration with=20
NEW ADVENTURES IN SOUND ART featuring GEEK WEEKEND with=20
ROBERT HOARE (Berlin Germany) & STEVEN SAUV=C9 (Hamilton ON)=20
+ STEPHEN KELLY and ELEANOR KING (Halifax NS)
@ the UNDERGROUND downstairs @ the DRAKE HOTEL
1150 Queen St. W @ Beaconsfield . W of Ossington . E of Dufferin
TUESDAY MAY 22ND . 8PM - 11PM . PWYC (5$ suggested)

. For the 5th year running, Radio in Ambience transmits from the PiNG.=20
This time out, Toronto/Berlin sound artist Robert Hoare and Hamilton=20
synthguy Steven Sauv=E9 bring their Geek Weekend project back to the =
PiNG.=20
Also along for this year's spin on the radio dial are PiNG newcomers, =
the=20
Halifax duo Stephen Kelly and Eleanor King. Join us as our Deep Wireless =

guests coax the radio ether into an outer-worldly electro ambient chill.

Robert Hoare : http://www.robhoare.de
Steven Sauv=E9: http://www.karmafarm.ca
Stephen Kelly and Eleanor King: http://www.thejustbarelys.ca
http://ckdu.dal.ca/~barelymusic/art.html

Explore the New Adventures in Sound Art website for more on=20
Deep Wireless, a month-long celebration of radio and=20
transmission art. http://www.naisa.ca/deepwireless

. NOTE that for MAY, the PiNG breaks from our usual last Tuesday of=20
the month slot @ The Drake Underground so that we can be in the=20
thick of the Deep Wireless festivities by presenting this year's=20
RADiO iN AMBiENCE performance on TUESDAY MAY 22ND.

. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

THE ALMOST LiVE MUSiC SERiES on AMBiENT PiNG RADiO

MONDAY APRiL 23RD at 9PM EST a brand new and exclusive=20
ALMOST LiVE set by TouchXtone.=20

Featuring tracks taken from a live improvisational performance at =
Decauter=20
Georgia's beloved Java Monkey venue, this is a set sure to appeal to =
analog=20
ambient gearheads and more. Check it out and see why TouchXtone=20
have fast become Atlanta's favourite ambient artists.

The ALMOST LiVE MUSiC SERiES is broadcast on=20
http://www.ambientpingradio.com on Mondays at 9PM EST=20
and is rebroadcast Thursdays at 12midnight EST=20
and Saturdays at 3:30PM EST.

The ALMOST LiVE MUSiC SERiES: Another way that=20
http://www.ambientpingradio.com is bringing great music to you!

. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

OTHER COOL THiNGS FROM FRiENDS OF THE PiNG

. alienInFlux + promise + smallworld music present SONIC TURTLE
FRIDAY APRIL 27th 2007 . DeLeon White Gallery . 1139 College St.

A soulful journey through tribal beats & global rhythms, Adham =
Shaikh=92s
Dreamtree Project and Interchill=92s Neerav appear for a superb night of
downtempo electronica. As one of Canada=92s top producers, Adham stands
among an elite group of international artists pushing the boundaries of
world music. He'll be performing solo and with the live dub fusion of
Dreamtree Project featuring sitar virtuoso Uwe Neumann and tablas by
Shankar Das.

ADHAM SHAIKH - BC
DREAMTREE PROJECT =96 with Adham + Uwe + Shankar, BC & Montreal
NEERAV =96 Interchill Records, Montreal
SHEN - Native State Records
MEDICINEMAN =96 Smallworld Music, CIUT 89.5 FM

Fri. April 27th . DeLeon White Gallery . 1139 College Street (west of
Dufferin)
$22 from Shanti Baba (546 Queen W) & Moog Audio (442 Queen W)
WEB: http://www.sonicturtle.com   CONTACT: events@harvestfestival.org


. NEW ADVENTURES IN SOUND ART presents=20
the 6th annual DEEP WIRELESS . May 1 - 31

As part of a month-long celebration of radio and transmission art,=20
radio artists, sound artists and enthusiasts can experience=20
performances, sound installations, new commissions,=20
special radio broadcasts, a CD launch and conference.

Tuesday May 1 . Grip Radio: The Camp X Files=20
8 pm at The Drake Hotel Underground=20
1150 Queen Street West . $10/$8 (free for conference registrants)

Thursday May 10 . Trans-local Performance
7 PM @ inter/access & Gallery 1313 (simultaneously)
inter/access ~ 9 Ossington Ave . Gallery 1313 ~ 1313A Queen Street West
PWYC ($5 suggested)

Tuesday May 29 . RADiO iN AMBiENCE . THE AMBiENT PiNG
8 pm at The Drake Hotel Underground=20
1150 Queen Street West . $5=20

Thursday May 24th . Radio _Kontakte_ Concert
8pm @ the Ryerson Student Campus Centre (Alumni Room)
55 Gould Street . $15/$10 (free for conference registrants)

Fri. & Sat. May 25 & 26 . Radio Theatre 1 & 2 (with It is to Laugh)
doors open 7:30pm show start 8pm
Ryerson Student Centre, Alumni Room . 55 Gould Street
$15/$10 (free for conference registrants)

Radio Art Salon / Gallery Installation
May 2-27@ Gallery 1313, Process Gallery
1313 Queen Street West
Radio Roam by Eleanor King & Stephen Kelly
Radio Art Salon curated by Darren Copeland

For more info on New Adventures in Sound Art and=20
the Deep Wireless Radio Art Festival and Conference:=20
http://www.naisa.ca


. ATTENTiON PiNG ARTiSTS . Call for Works for the 60x60 project.=20

Vox Novus is inviting composers to submit recorded works 60 seconds=20
or less in length to be included in its fifth annual 60x60 project. 60=20
compositions will be selected to be performed continuously in a=20
one-hour concert, in conjunction with multimedia elements=20
and an analog clock marking the passage of time.=20

Deadline: Submissions must be postmarked by May 21, 2007
http://www.VoxNovus.com/60x60/Call.htm

. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

THE AMBiENT PiNG is a Toronto based creative community of
audio artists, performers, musicians and visual artists. The PiNG
presents live multimedia performances featuring ambient, electronic,
soundscape, chillout, trip hop, dream pop, downtempo, space,
darkwave, drone and experimental artists from around the world.
http://www.theambientping.com

Tune in anytime to AMBiENT PING RADiO at
http://www.ambientpingradio.com

ViSiT ping things for ambient, electronic and chill things:
http://www.pingthings.com

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Please forward this e-mail to any interested friends or
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Rainer asked:
"On this thread, I'd also like to hear from the festival organizers how they
put the schedule together with regard to how specific performers are
grouped."


Speaking personally,   I always try to balance an interesting show, 
stylistically
with the performers I know to be the most popular ("I sure don't want to 
miss Zoe
Keating's performance"..........or simliar vibe).

I also really take into account how much of a performance a person will 
present
(Brian Kenny Fresno or Artis the Spoonman, as an example will really get a 
crowd
going)..................adding to this, I also like to give the best slots 
to performers
who have travelled the longest distances, favoring the headliners first, 
featured
performers next.

Given all those considerations (and reading my list here I realize that I 
have a lot more considerations
that I would have thought I have in picking the schedule)  I also try to mix 
the show
up, stylistically,  purposefully to give the audience the best 'sampler' of 
the live looping world that there is.

To me,  one of the really strong things about our community is that there is 
absolutely no stylistic center
or genre attached to the making of loop oriented music and yet we have a lot 
of solidarity as a musical
community.

I don't think I"ve ever been in a musical community that was able to be so 
diverse and really celebrative
of that diversity and frankly,  the old hippy in me loves that (ahhhh, I can 
here the groans now.............lol).

I, for one, think that this aspect of the community transcends stylistic 
groupings of artists.

Also,  I both produce and perform at a lot of thematically oriented 
festivals and performances in my own
personal world.

I just love producing shows like Festival of Found Sounds,   Festival of 
Voice and Electronics,  Weird Pop Festivals,
Noise Fests, Industrial shows.............Goth shows..............World 
Ethnic shows..........all the different styles of music
that I try to stay active in.

Consequently,   it's kind of liberating to eschew stylistic considerations 
at the looping festival. 

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Rick awesome brother!
cheers
Luis

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gang,
i got rid of my marantz CDr300 i realized that it
weasnt really practical and quite bulky to be carrying
i need something really portable and easy to operat
like the old portable tape recorders(too bad i got rid
of my old one) that fits in my hand but digital with
mic and 1/4" inputs usb options and all the new
goodies with a good sound without the need of
connecting x-tra micros or xpensive xtra battery
charge device to record sounds, rehearsals,speeches
etc.
Sorry if this has been brought up in the past i
appreciate your updated recomendations!
Luis

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From: Per Boysen 
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On 23 apr 2007, at 10.11, L.A. Angulo wrote:

> gang,
> i got rid of my marantz CDr300 i realized that it
> weasnt really practical and quite bulky to be carrying
> i need something really portable and easy to operat
> like the old portable tape recorders(too bad i got rid
> of my old one) that fits in my hand but digital with
> mic and 1/4" inputs usb options and all the new
> goodies with a good sound without the need of
> connecting x-tra micros or xpensive xtra battery
> charge device to record sounds, rehearsals,speeches
> etc.


Luis,

Check out the Zoom H4. I bought one last year for the same purpose  
you are up for. I can't recommend it enough! I can't recommend it to  
use "as soundcard" though. The built-in stereo mic's are excellent.  
To give a sounding example, I recorded the two Lo Fi Lazer pieces  
with the H4:
http://www.looproom.com/listening.php

Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
www.boysen.se (Swedish)
www.looproom.com (international)
http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast)
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From: "L.A. Angulo" 
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Per i am impressed man thank you for the
recomendation!
are these 100% live or did you do any post mastering?
cheers
Luis




--- Per Boysen  wrote:

> On 23 apr 2007, at 10.11, L.A. Angulo wrote:
> 
> > gang,
> > i got rid of my marantz CDr300 i realized that it
> > weasnt really practical and quite bulky to be
> carrying
> > i need something really portable and easy to
> operat
> > like the old portable tape recorders(too bad i got
> rid
> > of my old one) that fits in my hand but digital
> with
> > mic and 1/4" inputs usb options and all the new
> > goodies with a good sound without the need of
> > connecting x-tra micros or xpensive xtra battery
> > charge device to record sounds,
> rehearsals,speeches
> > etc.
> 
> 
> Luis,
> 
> Check out the Zoom H4. I bought one last year for
> the same purpose  
> you are up for. I can't recommend it enough! I can't
> recommend it to  
> use "as soundcard" though. The built-in stereo mic's
> are excellent.  
> To give a sounding example, I recorded the two Lo Fi
> Lazer pieces  
> with the H4:
> http://www.looproom.com/listening.php
> 
> Greetings from Sweden
> 
> Per Boysen
> www.boysen.se (Swedish)
> www.looproom.com (international)
> http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast)
> http://tinyurl.com/2kek7h (CC donationware music
> releases)
> 
> 
> 


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L.A. Angulo wrote:
> i need something really portable and easy to operat
> like the old portable tape recorders that fits in my hand but digital with
> mic and 1/4" inputs usb options and all the new
> goodies with a good sound without the need of
> connecting x-tra micros or xpensive xtra battery
> charge device to record sounds, rehearsals,speeches
> etc.
I have the M-Audio MicroTrack 24/94.  It is an outstanding little unit 
but I cannot recommend it for field use because its internal 
rechargeable battery cannot be accessed by the consumer.  The Zoom H4 
seems more suited to the field because it operates on regular batteries 
and I suppose that you may substiture rechargeable batteries.

At a recent concert I gave at the Fiske Planetarium in Boulder, the 
MicroTrack saved our (mind3Spiral) bacon because the CDR recording was 
way overdriven.

Cheers,

Bill
http://mindspiral.com

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Hi Luis,

Of course it's 100 percent live! We recorded it with the stereo mic  
of the H4 to a 44,1 kHz stereo wav file. We actually played for two  
hours. Or more actually, but the batteries of the H4 stopped after  
two hours ;-)  Then we divided the long improvisation into twelve  
shorter parts that make sense as pieces in their own right. It was a  
great experience to set up a good PA sound and record it acoustically  
with stereo mic's in the room. You can hear me and my buddy making  
some acoustic noise while playing, one guy to the left and one guy to  
the right. And then you hear our noise coming out of the stereo  
speaker system with reverb or wicked Mobius rate shift effects etc. I  
have always found it difficult to achieve that close-up presence when  
taking a bunch of line-out signals and mix them into a stereo  
master.  I will definitely record more acoustically with the H4. We  
also wanted to go to a nearby temple and record acoustic flute duo's  
with the almost infinite reverb of that building but time became too  
short to make that on the same day. Since that temple have only a  
floor and a concave ceiling on pillars we have to do it on a day with  
almost no wind at all, because the H4 mic's are sensitive to outdoors  
(that is if you don't use the covering, but I don't like the covering  
because it alters the high frequencies recorded).

Per


On 23 apr 2007, at 11.04, L.A. Angulo wrote:

> Per i am impressed man thank you for the
> recomendation!
> are these 100% live or did you do any post mastering?
> cheers
> Luis
>
>
>
>
> --- Per Boysen  wrote:
>
>> On 23 apr 2007, at 10.11, L.A. Angulo wrote:
>>
>>> gang,
>>> i got rid of my marantz CDr300 i realized that it
>>> weasnt really practical and quite bulky to be
>> carrying
>>> i need something really portable and easy to
>> operat
>>> like the old portable tape recorders(too bad i got
>> rid
>>> of my old one) that fits in my hand but digital
>> with
>>> mic and 1/4" inputs usb options and all the new
>>> goodies with a good sound without the need of
>>> connecting x-tra micros or xpensive xtra battery
>>> charge device to record sounds,
>> rehearsals,speeches
>>> etc.
>>
>>
>> Luis,
>>
>> Check out the Zoom H4. I bought one last year for
>> the same purpose
>> you are up for. I can't recommend it enough! I can't
>> recommend it to
>> use "as soundcard" though. The built-in stereo mic's
>> are excellent.
>> To give a sounding example, I recorded the two Lo Fi
>> Lazer pieces
>> with the H4:
>> http://www.looproom.com/listening.php
>>
>> Greetings from Sweden
>>
>> Per Boysen
>> www.boysen.se (Swedish)
>> www.looproom.com (international)
>> http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast)
>> http://tinyurl.com/2kek7h (CC donationware music
>> releases)
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> www.myspace.com/luisangulocom
>
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Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
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Just recently I was discussing this with a friend of mine.  He uses
the Zoom, and here's what he had to say about it:

"i got one of those zoom H4 recorders that looks like a tazer. its
pretty useful. but not for incapacitating attackers.

i really like it. its replaced my minidisc. i bought it cause [a
mutual friend] got one and he's really picky about gear and does a ton
of research. for the price, which is less than the roland or m-audio
units, it can't be beat.

it has the usual zoom drawbacks: its not very sturdy and sort of
poorly designed in general, the menu navigation is really bad. i can't
imagine using it as a 4-track, which it does with various amp modeling
and stuff. but for regular stereo recording, it seems fine; just push
the record button once to put it in standby and check levels, then
push it again to start.

if you aren't in a rush, i'd wait for the H2 to come out this summer.
it does away with the 4 track mode and records in surround sound and
its $100 less.
http://createdigitalmusic.com/2007/01/26/namm-zooms-199-usb-h2-mobile-micrecorder-found-in-the-wild/#more-1850

[in answer to a question regarding how easily levels can be set when recording]
the zoom has  dedicated L/M/H switches on the side (for both the built
in mics and the inputs, which are combo XLR 1/4 inch) those levels are
user adjustable, which involes wading thru the menus. but once you
have them set, you can just use the switch to select between the 3
settings.

also it has a built in limiter that i think does a "look ahead" thing.
that function can be turned on or off as you choose. kirk thought this
was one of the real selling points for the zoom, i guess the roland
and m-audio don't do this. there's also a built in compressor.

both the M-audio and roland are just under $400, the zoom is under
$300, i think you can find it for as low as $279, but it's typically
$299.
the m-audio has no built in mic, but i think it comes with a plug in
thing. the roland mics point out to the sides, while the zoom mics are
in an x-y sort of configuration which i think gives a better stereo
image. and its the only one with XLR inputs which can be phantom
powered.

on top of all that, when you hook it up to your computer, it will work
as a bus-powered audio interface, and it comes with a copy of cubase.

things about it that stink:
clunky design- looks like a tazer, might get you shot.
does not feel especially sturdy.
battery/SD card cover opens in an awkward way. and the SD card is
really hard to get out unless you have fingernails.
menu navigation is awful. really, really bad.
the display is tiny
the unit seems much larger than it should be. it won't fit in your
pocket (comfortably). the roland and m-audio are much smaller.
it has no clock, so the files don't have a useful date on them.

hopefully some of this stuff will be fixed on the H2. i know it looks
to be smaller and does have a time stamp function. i also know it
won't do multi-track recording, but that's probably not a big deal."

Hope this helps.

TravisH


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>
> i need something really portable and easy to operat
> like the old portable tape recorders(too bad i got rid
> of my old one) that fits in my hand but digital with
> mic and 1/4" inputs usb options and all the new
> goodies with a good sound without the need of
> connecting x-tra micros or xpensive xtra battery
> charge device to record sounds, rehearsals,speeches
> etc.
>

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Travis has offered a decent analysis here, so I'll only add my two cents and 
recommend the M-Audio MicroTrack 24/96.
http://www.m-audio.com/products/en_us/MicroTrack2496-main.html

I've been using it for over a year now with astounding results. In fact, 
I've used it for many of my recent CD tracks.  The cool thing is that it 
records to MP3 and wav, and at different sample and bit rates. Plus the 1/4 
inch inputs are balanced...and it has phantom power. You can get a balanced 
XLR to 1/4 inch adpator to go directly out of a mixer board's XLR outputs. I 
bought a 2GB flashcard for mine, so I can load it up with 4 hours of wav 
recordings. I really can't say anything bad about this unit, given the price 
and features, and size.

Kris



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> Just recently I was discussing this with a friend of mine.  He uses
> the Zoom, and here's what he had to say about it:
>
> "i got one of those zoom H4 recorders that looks like a tazer. its
> pretty useful. but not for incapacitating attackers.
>
> i really like it. its replaced my minidisc. i bought it cause [a
> mutual friend] got one and he's really picky about gear and does a ton
> of research. for the price, which is less than the roland or m-audio
> units, it can't be beat.
>
> it has the usual zoom drawbacks: its not very sturdy and sort of
> poorly designed in general, the menu navigation is really bad. i can't
> imagine using it as a 4-track, which it does with various amp modeling
> and stuff. but for regular stereo recording, it seems fine; just push
> the record button once to put it in standby and check levels, then
> push it again to start.
>
> if you aren't in a rush, i'd wait for the H2 to come out this summer.
> it does away with the 4 track mode and records in surround sound and
> its $100 less.
> http://createdigitalmusic.com/2007/01/26/namm-zooms-199-usb-h2-mobile-micrecorder-found-in-the-wild/#more-1850
>
> [in answer to a question regarding how easily levels can be set when 
> recording]
> the zoom has  dedicated L/M/H switches on the side (for both the built
> in mics and the inputs, which are combo XLR 1/4 inch) those levels are
> user adjustable, which involes wading thru the menus. but once you
> have them set, you can just use the switch to select between the 3
> settings.
>
> also it has a built in limiter that i think does a "look ahead" thing.
> that function can be turned on or off as you choose. kirk thought this
> was one of the real selling points for the zoom, i guess the roland
> and m-audio don't do this. there's also a built in compressor.
>
> both the M-audio and roland are just under $400, the zoom is under
> $300, i think you can find it for as low as $279, but it's typically
> $299.
> the m-audio has no built in mic, but i think it comes with a plug in
> thing. the roland mics point out to the sides, while the zoom mics are
> in an x-y sort of configuration which i think gives a better stereo
> image. and its the only one with XLR inputs which can be phantom
> powered.
>
> on top of all that, when you hook it up to your computer, it will work
> as a bus-powered audio interface, and it comes with a copy of cubase.
>
> things about it that stink:
> clunky design- looks like a tazer, might get you shot.
> does not feel especially sturdy.
> battery/SD card cover opens in an awkward way. and the SD card is
> really hard to get out unless you have fingernails.
> menu navigation is awful. really, really bad.
> the display is tiny
> the unit seems much larger than it should be. it won't fit in your
> pocket (comfortably). the roland and m-audio are much smaller.
> it has no clock, so the files don't have a useful date on them.
>
> hopefully some of this stuff will be fixed on the H2. i know it looks
> to be smaller and does have a time stamp function. i also know it
> won't do multi-track recording, but that's probably not a big deal."
>
> Hope this helps.
>
> TravisH
>
>
> On 4/23/07, L.A. Angulo  wrote:
>>
>> i need something really portable and easy to operat
>> like the old portable tape recorders(too bad i got rid
>> of my old one) that fits in my hand but digital with
>> mic and 1/4" inputs usb options and all the new
>> goodies with a good sound without the need of
>> connecting x-tra micros or xpensive xtra battery
>> charge device to record sounds, rehearsals,speeches
>> etc.
>>
>
> 


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Nice music, Claude !

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McDade, Rob (SLSA) schrieb:
> Now a lot of you are familiar with my instrumental epic piece Dickhead 
> in a G string – it won a local song writing award in 2004 for the best 
> instrumental.  Judges thought it was a bit too long and could do with a 
> change of title. I stood firm against this and was only willing to 
> shorten the title to ‘Dickhead’.  That’s the anarchist in me!

Please go back to the original title, its much better, also the length 
of the piece is fine. In fact I usually skip CD's which contain only 
"radiolength" pieces, the probability that its boring music is just way 
too high...
  You made your decisions without the critics in mind. Now the critics 
have a problem and it should rest with them. Its not your problem 
anymore, as you did make a decision in the past. Changing only for the 
sake of critical request is not a good idea. It would be different if 
you, on your own would not be satisfied with it, but it doesn't sound 
like that....

Appreciate the positive critic of Daryl, but protect the anarchist in 
you. In the end the audience will appreciate that much more than any 
kind of kissass....

Stefan

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Echohead schrieb:
> ...here is the link hope ya like em. http://thisphase.org/lips.html

Oh yes, I hope ya will find the time to do new stuff. Wonderful titles 
"The study of non elephant animals" is telling a story even before the 
download has finished.

Its also a very good example of a site where it does make sense to stay 
in 1st person. Its just a personal short statement and its aimed at your 
friends...
(All what had been said about the preference of 3rd person stays valid...)

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> McDade, Rob (SLSA) schrieb:
>> Now a lot of you are familiar with my instrumental epic piece =20
>> Dickhead in a G string =96 it won a local song writing award in 2004 =20=

>> for the best instrumental.  Judges thought it was a bit too long =20
>> and could do with a change of title. I stood firm against this and =20=

>> was only willing to shorten the title to =91Dickhead=92.  That=92s =
the =20
>> anarchist in me!
>
> Please go back to the original title, its much better, also the =20
> length of the piece is fine. In fact I usually skip CD's which =20
> contain only "radiolength" pieces, the probability that its boring =20
> music is just way too high...
>  You made your decisions without the critics in mind. Now the =20
> critics have a problem and it should rest with them. Its not your =20
> problem anymore, as you did make a decision in the past. Changing =20
> only for the sake of critical request is not a good idea. It would =20
> be different if you, on your own would not be satisfied with it, =20
> but it doesn't sound like that....
>
> Appreciate the positive critic of Daryl, but protect the anarchist =20
> in you. In the end the audience will appreciate that much more than =20=

> any kind of kissass....


I agree with Stefan! Genuine outlets is what interests me and I =20
usually skip over everything that seems as if the original creators =20
have been trying to adapt to someone else's request. I justify this =20
my behavior by using the time I free up to listen more to something =20
that I find genuine. I think this attitude is quite common.... or at =20
least should be!  ;-))

Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
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